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| [00:09:40] | Enox: | Does myth use any CPU-specific instructions? AMD/Intel? |
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| [00:13:24] | Dagmar: | Enox: none that you need to worry about |
| [00:15:14] | tgm4883_laptop: | is it possible to use tmdb.pl with mythvideo .21? I'm attempting to do this, and I believe i'm still getting posters from imdb |
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| [00:18:50] | tgm4883_laptop: | yea definitly still getting stuff from imdb.com, despite pointing all the search commands to the tmdb.pl script |
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| [00:20:48] | Enox: | Dagmar: Thanks. Surprised one or the other doesn't accelerate mpeg2 or something. :) |
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| [00:33:48] | BR14: | hi guys, I'm using a gf6200 for output via s-video to a crt tv; I can see some vbi info at the top of the screen and cant find a way to get rid of it ... any hints? |
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| [00:42:17] | iamlindoro: | Edit your TV playback settings, set it to scale up an extra 1 or 2 % |
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| [00:50:41] | BR14: | thanks iamlindoro, seems so simple now :) |
| [00:51:29] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:54:58] | dustybin: | when i rip my dvds with handbrake, i save lots of space and i honestly cannot tell the difference between the original dvd and the x264 encoded version, would the same apply to blu-ray movies? could i rip/re-encode them to a smaller file size without noticing any difference in picture quality? |
| [00:55:30] | directhex: | perhaps. depends on your eyesight |
| [00:55:44] | directhex: | most warezed blu-ray movies are ~75% shrunk from the original |
| [00:55:45] | dustybin: | and the size of the display i guess? |
| [00:56:25] | dustybin: | i dont like the idea of warez, because you wont own the original, and that will be my backup copy |
| [00:56:31] | iamlindoro: | I want to smack the people who argue that 8 GB movies are the "same" as 35 GB ones |
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| [00:57:21] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: my 1.5–2.0 GB rips look exactly the same as the original dvds on my TV |
| [00:57:51] | iamlindoro: | No. *You* perceive no difference. That is not to say that *I* would not. It is totally personal and perceptual |
| [00:58:08] | dustybin: | heh ok |
| [00:58:18] | iamlindoro: | if you are satisfied with compressed copies of your films, make them. I am not, so I will not. This isn't Nazi Germany, do what you want. |
| [00:58:24] | ** directhex hands iamlindoro some audiophile volume knobs ** | |
| [00:58:40] | iamlindoro: | directhex, My projector has a color setting to 11 |
| [00:58:52] | directhex: | io |
| [00:58:54] | directhex: | bah |
| [00:59:05] | directhex: | iamlindoro, 11? that's special! most projectors only go up to 10 |
| [00:59:09] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [00:59:26] | dustybin: | all my music is in flac format, maybe i should keep all my isos and edit them to remove all the crap |
| [00:59:33] | directhex: | so if you want a bit more oomph... |
| [01:00:35] | dustybin: | anybody know of any software what can remove all the crap out of a dvd .iso, so all whats left is the film and the AC3 soundtrack? |
| [01:00:54] | iamlindoro: | It's a magical invention called a "demuxer" |
| [01:01:14] | ** dustybin checks wikipedia ** | |
| [01:01:15] | directhex: | i use dvd decrypter for windows! |
| [01:01:19] | devicenull: | dvdshrink? |
| [01:01:20] | directhex: | anyway, TEH BEDZ |
| [01:01:46] | devicenull: | can mythtv play the files produced by dvd decryptor? |
| [01:02:55] | iamlindoro: | They're just video files, myth will happily play all formats and containers as of its last ffmpeg sync... which is in the multiple hundreds |
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| [01:13:59] | Raspberry: | I have a weird error that just started yesterday (no updates run) ... My autologin logs into the user session — then kicks me right back out saying my last session didn't last 10 seconds (obviously this repeats) — so I shelled in and su mythfrontend ... only to find I have no permissions to access my home directory |
| [01:14:06] | Raspberry: | I still have 16gb free on the partition |
| [01:14:35] | Raspberry: | and the mythfrontend user can modify files on the other partition ... the back end seems to be running fine as well |
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| [01:14:42] | Raspberry: | the backend is on the same server as the frontend |
| [01:16:09] | Raspberry: | the backend seems to be recording shows as well and modifying the database so the system itself can write to the home partition and I tried doing a chown -R mythfrontend /home/mythfrontend and then a chmod -R 775 ... nothing ... says permission denied |
| [01:16:22] | Raspberry: | when I try to access the directory as the user |
| [01:16:29] | Raspberry: | but the chown and chmod worked fine |
| [01:18:26] | Raspberry: | If I set the permissions to 777 mythfrontend user can modify things w/o issue |
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| [01:26:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery, We have a total "Thanks for being my friend" thread going in the -users list |
| [01:27:33] | BR14: | time to hold hands and sing kumbaya? |
| [01:28:01] | iamlindoro: | Exactly – Note nobody is ever like that unless they're supporting each other in making demands about how myth should work |
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| [01:28:17] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [01:28:52] | _abbenormal: | i was going to say you were drinking |
| [01:29:46] | _abbenormal: | that way they cannot say you were just being nice |
| [01:30:09] | ** BR14 looks longingly at his vodka ** | |
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| [01:30:48] | _abbenormal: | ill take a little capt |
| [01:31:07] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/lineofsight.png |
| [01:31:12] | iamlindoro: | ugh, world's most iffy line of sight |
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| [01:36:22] | iamlindoro: | Freakin' tree |
| [01:38:04] | wagnerrp: | damned gas stations and their trickery |
| [01:38:17] | wagnerrp: | their car wash is all lit up, as if it were working |
| [01:38:31] | wagnerrp: | so i get gas, finish up, and 'car wash unavailable' |
| [01:44:26] | hednod: | does "play video at the size of gui" only work with the built-in player? |
| [01:44:32] | Dagmar: | I win. |
| [01:44:49] | Dagmar: | Caught one of the network guys running around with the NOCs cable crimpers |
| [01:45:58] | iamlindoro: | hednod, Yes, Myth only has control over the internal player-- the user decides what command line is used for external ones |
| [01:46:47] | dustybin: | think i might buy a couple of these to convert my unused desktop box into a future HD backend: http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/561718/lian-li-ex-23 . . . t-black.html |
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| [01:48:36] | dustybin: | 6x 2TB is more than enough for anybody :) |
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| [01:52:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I've got 2 of these in my backend: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0283179 |
| [01:52:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: 6x 500GB (Myth Files), 2x 200GB (OS & DB) |
| [01:54:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'd have 2 more drives in there to fill them all up, but I'm out of SATA ports, and my stupid MB won't keep the boot settings with > 8 drives on the system... |
| [02:00:39] | hednod: | iamlindoro: i found some mplayer syntax to help but unfortunately it does not work like i had thought. (it moved the picture, but not the subtitles.. which still get cut off. argh) |
| [02:00:39] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: says you now |
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| [02:01:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Let's not forget last month when it was "SD FTW" |
| [02:02:33] | wagnerrp: | plus, if youre going to go raid and consume the 5.25" bays, why not go hotswap |
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| [02:02:50] | wagnerrp: | or at least something like iamlindoro's case that loads from the side and can be accessed relatively easily |
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| [02:03:49] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i have 4x 3-in-2 bays that look like theyre from the same manufacturer as the one you linked to |
| [02:03:54] | wagnerrp: | they look identical |
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| [02:04:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, they probably are. I need to get a MB like iamlindoro's – 10 sata ports... ;-) |
| [02:04:52] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, An a PCIe card with 8 more ;) |
| [02:05:22] | wagnerrp: | non-raid? |
| [02:05:38] | iamlindoro: | It's a RAID card, but I had existing mdadm so I just use it as a controller |
| [02:05:38] | wagnerrp: | or youre just using pass-thru |
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| [02:05:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I could add more with a PCIe card, but my stipid Bios doesn't recognize more than 8 drives on boot, and only lets you select one of the first 8 it detects to boot from... |
| [02:06:09] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Had a board like that before this one, irritated me to no end when I found out |
| [02:06:31] | Dagmar: | Hassle the manufacturer about a BIOS update or something. |
| [02:07:05] | Dagmar: | A machine that won't boot unattended when it's actually filled with drives is a pretty grave failure state |
| [02:07:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, other than that quirk, I like it. Dagmar – yeah, I haven't persued that yet... |
| [02:07:50] | Dagmar: | 'cuz it's either that or you need to flip the thing from SATA mode to AHCI mode |
| [02:08:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Yep, that's how I found out... actually, luckily, I was re-booting my backend while I was home and had my old 4x200GB LVM attached via a 4-drive Usb enclosure, that's when I learned about that issue... |
| [02:08:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand where my hard drive space went |
| [02:08:27] | Dagmar: | Because of the way "SATA mode" works, >8 drives could cause it a serious issue |
| [02:08:30] | wagnerrp: | i used to be happy with my 1.8TB |
| [02:08:39] | wagnerrp: | i was happy with it even earlier this year |
| [02:08:52] | wagnerrp: | now my media partition is at 2.65 |
| [02:09:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Humm... I'll have to check my bios to see if that's an option for me... |
| [02:10:32] | Dagmar: | For most boards with both IDE and SATA connectors it is. "SATA mode" is when the thing masquerades the SATA disk as an IDE disk so operating systems without SATA support can install (like XP) without a fuss |
| [02:10:52] | ** iamlindoro cries while Christmas shopping ** | |
| [02:10:56] | iamlindoro: | so much the money |
| [02:11:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had to load up custom drivers to install XP on mine with hotswap support |
| [02:11:28] | Dagmar: | ...which is also why all yer stuff breaks hideously when you install with the controller in "SATA mode" and then later flip that switch to "AHCI mode" which is just pure SATA and doesn't masquerade the disks |
| [02:11:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Ok, so I don't want to try it then... ;-) |
| [02:12:05] | Dagmar: | IIRC there's a _limit_ to the number of IDE disks you're allowed at all which is why I think that might be linked. |
| [02:12:16] | Dagmar: | 4 buses, 2 drives each == 8 IDE devices |
| [02:12:18] | wagnerrp: | i tried to make the switch, failed horribly, and then just ended up reinstalling to make the switch |
| [02:12:38] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Yeah you have to do some weird crap to get XP to switch over |
| [02:13:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Would the same limitation effect Linux too? (I'd assume so, but I am occasionally wrong!) |
| [02:13:36] | Dagmar: | It's an architecture limitation. |
| [02:13:39] | wagnerrp: | if youre using IDE mode rather than AHCI, yes |
| [02:13:51] | Dagmar: | The primary IDE bus is *always* at 0x1F0. Secondary at 0x170, etc etc |
| [02:14:01] | Dagmar: | I might have those backwards, but you get the idea. |
| [02:14:09] | wagnerrp: | but you should just be able to recompile the kernel with AHCI support (if it doesnt already have it) and flip over |
| [02:14:13] | Dagmar: | They're tied to those memory addresses for accessing them |
| [02:14:18] | wagnerrp: | at most, you may have to dick around with your fstab |
| [02:14:22] | wagnerrp: | devices may get reordered |
| [02:14:41] | Dagmar: | Yeah, linux you can make the transition with so long as you remember to rejigger your /etc/fstab and grub/lilo config |
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| [02:14:53] | Dagmar: | XP is a right bitch to make it happen with |
| [02:15:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, forgot about the boot loader |
| [02:15:10] | Dagmar: | ...in no small part to it's idea of "immovable sectores" |
| [02:15:48] | wagnerrp: | thats another thing, are grub/lilo going to be able to handle 2TB disks when they start showing up? |
| [02:16:07] | wagnerrp: | i know fdisk breaks hard at that size |
| [02:16:44] | Dagmar: | That's when we say "eff it" and demand motherboard manufacturers just built motherboards with a 512Mb flash disk built in to boot from |
| [02:16:50] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: shame your mobo doesnt keep SATA settings |
| [02:16:59] | ** dustybin re-tests mythtv with dvd .iso playing ** | |
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| [02:17:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Looks like my 6 on-board SATA ports are using the sata_nv driver, and my 2x PCIe raid1 is using sata_sil24 |
| [02:17:50] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: That's nice |
| [02:17:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: It does, as long as I don't have > 8 hard drives hooked up... |
| [02:17:58] | Dagmar: | ...and has absolutely no bearing on the issue, afaik,. |
| [02:18:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I was wondering if that told wether it was using SATA or AHCI mode... Probably SATA then... |
| [02:18:52] | Dagmar: | Screwing around on my most recent board, the thing seems to follow a policy of "first access" as to whether or not you can get at a disk as IDE or SATA |
| [02:19:24] | Dagmar: | So, you can have the board in SATA mode and still access the disks as either SATA or IDE, but not both at the same time (which is why the "first access" behaviour I guess, |
| [02:19:52] | Dagmar: | In AHCI mode it won't lie to you and tell you you have IDE disks when you don't |
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| [02:20:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Ok, I see. ;-) |
| [02:21:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Ok, I must be in "SATA" mode then... because the Kernel module "in Use" is "sata_nv", but the available kernel modules are: "ata_generic, pata_acpi, sata_nv" |
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| [02:23:04] | Dagmar: | Ah here we go, tertiary is 1E8, quaternary is 168. |
| [02:24:21] | abqjp: | I have 14 SATA devices in my mythbackend machine. 13 hard drives, plus an optical. |
| [02:25:54] | Dagmar: | Good for you. |
| [02:25:55] | wagnerrp: | ive technically got 10, but they show up as 3, two of those scsi |
| [02:26:05] | wagnerrp: | so ive not yet run into that issue |
| [02:26:35] | Dagmar: | BIOS RAID concatenation? |
| [02:26:51] | wagnerrp: | firmware anyway, add on card |
| [02:27:08] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [02:27:31] | Dagmar: | Before anyone else can chime in, I'm talking aobut a hard limit on IDE disks only |
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| [02:27:52] | wagnerrp: | well im pretty sure my board only has an IDE mode |
| [02:28:27] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but you're using an addon that keeps the motherboard from ever having to see that there's more than 8 IDE disks, which neatly sidesteps the limit. |
| [02:28:35] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [02:28:47] | abqjp: | Four the of the drives are off of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132018 which does not even have a BIOS. It was a little scary when I did not see those drives detected during the bootstrap BIOS boot. Showed up fine in Linux, though. |
| [02:29:00] | Dagmar: | SCSI, SAS, and SATA (AHCI) don't work the same way, and you can have an absolutely ludicrous number of each of those |
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| [02:33:53] | wagnerrp: | abqjp: it must have a BIOS loaded firmware, otherwise you could not boot from it |
| [02:34:17] | abqjp: | You can't boot from it. |
| [02:34:26] | wagnerrp: | the features page says you can |
| [02:34:55] | abqjp: | Hmmm, I have had mine for several months. I wonder if there is new firmware for it.... |
| [02:35:24] | abqjp: | I don't really care. Works great for the way I want to use it — 12 drive software RAID |
| [02:35:57] | wagnerrp: | im wondering whats the purpose of all those jumpers |
| [02:37:05] | abqjp: | Only 4 ports are active at any given time. Either all 4 internal, or 2 can be external. |
| [02:37:28] | wagnerrp: | but it claims to 'magically switch' based off which ones are plugged in |
| [02:37:31] | wagnerrp: | no need for jumpers |
| [02:37:45] | abqjp: | Not on my version. |
| [02:38:13] | abqjp: | If they have updated the firmware to allow booting, maybe they added some magic to allow auto detection. |
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| [03:37:14] | Belboz991: | hey all, anyone know how to keep Mythtv cron jobs from sending emails? |
| [03:37:31] | Belboz991: | I've got 9,000 messages in my inbox this past month or two :-P |
| [03:38:11] | iamlindoro: | Belboz991, Myth doesn't send e-mails or set up any cron jobs-- if you're getting cron e-mails, that's a function of your distro rather than myth |
| [03:38:26] | Anduin: | Belboz991: There are no mythtv cron jobs, but the usual way is to dump all output to /dev/null |
| [03:39:42] | iamlindoro: | You can also add MAILTO="" at the top of the crontab IIRC |
| [03:39:57] | iamlindoro: | er EMAILTO I think, actually |
| [03:40:11] | iamlindoro: | Bah, I can't remember which, but one of them ;) |
| [03:41:49] | Dagmar: | Better answer: If you don't like getting spammed by mythfilldatabase, then *let the backend run it* instead of using a cron job. |
| [03:42:37] | iamlindoro: | 9000 in 60 days doesn't sound like MFDB |
| [03:42:46] | Belboz991: | I'm using Mythbuntu, I guess I'll check over there, those Ubuntu folks do like to muck up a lot of stuff though :-P |
| [03:43:14] | Belboz991: | it's sending mythtv-status emails |
| [03:43:40] | Belboz991: | Cron <root@htpc> [ -x /etc/init.d/mythtv-status ] && /etc/init.d/mythtv-status reload > /dev/null |
| [03:44:05] | Dagmar: | That's nice. Never heard of mythtv-status. |
| [03:44:13] | Dagmar: | You should ask the MythBuntu people why their stuff is spamming you |
| [03:44:17] | iamlindoro: | Belboz991, so edit in a emailto directive |
| [03:44:32] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Look at his command closely. |
| [03:44:38] | Dagmar: | emailto isn't going to help. |
| [03:45:01] | Belboz991: | okay, I think I fixed it |
| [03:45:03] | Dagmar: | *One* of the standard IO channels is going to /dev/null, but not both. Hint hint |
| [03:45:16] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, EMAILTO covers *all* the jobs in the crontab |
| [03:45:17] | Belboz991: | I ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-status and it gave me some options to disable it |
| [03:45:29] | iamlindoro: | even those not directed to /dev/null |
| [03:46:09] | iamlindoro: | Sets it such that if an email would be attempted, it'd just go to a non-address (ergo = "") |
| [03:46:16] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Normal cron behaviour is to email the output of cronjobs to the owner, man. |
| [03:46:28] | Dagmar: | If the thing read 2>&1 >/dev/null then there'd be no mail spamm |
| [03:46:35] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, I'm aware of that. So? EMAILTO would work fine if he doesn't want them |
| [03:46:50] | iamlindoro: | He doesn't want the e-mails. So EMAILTO will work fine. |
| [03:47:29] | Dagmar: | So instead of putting a stop to the mails you want to direct them somewhere else? |
| [03:47:45] | iamlindoro: | It *does* put a stop to them. No e-mails are sent when emailto is set to nothing. |
| [03:47:56] | Dagmar: | Which affects all cronjobs. |
| [03:48:03] | iamlindoro: | In *that* crontab |
| [03:48:06] | Dagmar: | New bathwater! Now tih 100% more baby |
| [03:48:22] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, He doesn't WANT any e-mails. ANY EMAILS. What is so hard about that? |
| [03:48:39] | iamlindoro: | EMAILTO has the effect of there being NO EMAILS |
| [03:48:49] | iamlindoro: | not ghost e-mails, not e-mails sent elsewhere, but NO EMAILS |
| [03:49:10] | iamlindoro: | when EMAILTO = "" it doesn't even TRY, and that is EXACTLY what he is acking for. |
| [03:49:12] | iamlindoro: | asking |
| [03:49:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, I'm old school. I shunt output to /dev/null at the drop of a hat |
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| [04:15:59] | kdubya: | does the IR blaster on the hdpvr really still not work? |
| [04:16:05] | kdubya: | or does the wiki lie |
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| [04:20:15] | iamlindoro: | The wiki is correct. |
| [04:22:26] | kdubya: | man you really gotta rig this crap up |
| [04:22:35] | kdubya: | encrypted qam should be goddam illegal |
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| [04:51:18] | xris: | kdubya: mythtv is pretty good about just ignoring it. I've never had any trouble. |
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| [04:57:47] | tjcarter: | haha, wow.. That movie Beer for My Horses went strate to basic cable ;) |
| [04:57:53] | tjcarter: | rated as 1 star |
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| [05:01:46] | tjcarter: | when it's on basic cable FOUR MONTHS after it was on the big screen, the thing should never have been made |
| [05:02:47] | kdubya: | xris, i dont want to ignore it, i want to watch it |
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| [05:03:15] | kdubya: | tjcarter, they never intended to make that an actual movie |
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| [05:04:11] | kdubya: | its a damn extended music video |
| [05:04:59] | Circuitsoft: | Hello |
| [05:05:10] | kdubya: | Hi. |
| [05:05:18] | Circuitsoft: | Unfortunately, I am still having font rendering issues. |
| [05:05:51] | kdubya: | you try changing the painter? |
| [05:05:58] | Circuitsoft: | I think so. |
| [05:06:04] | Circuitsoft: | It's using Qt Painter by default. |
| [05:06:14] | Circuitsoft: | I'm on debian/lenny/x86 with fglrx |
| [05:06:26] | kdubya: | if it does the same thing with the opengl painter then its the fonts |
| [05:07:19] | Circuitsoft: | Remind me how to change it, please? |
| [05:07:31] | Circuitsoft: | 30 second doc search doesn't help yet. |
| [05:08:18] | kdubya: | something like -o painter=opengl |
| [05:08:49] | kdubya: | but dont quote me on that |
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| [05:09:34] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl |
| [05:09:44] | Circuitsoft: | It does not work locally, it does not work remotely on my Ubuntu or FreeBSD laptops |
| [05:10:01] | Circuitsoft: | But it does seem to work remotely from my computer at work, running Cygwin X Server on Windows XP Pro |
| [05:10:16] | Circuitsoft: | I think. |
| [05:10:20] | Circuitsoft: | If I recall correctly. |
| [05:10:28] | Circuitsoft: | (Took forever, though) |
| [05:10:49] | Circuitsoft: | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=opengl gives me the same result |
| [05:11:20] | kdubya: | heh it works when you send it to an x server on another machine? |
| [05:11:21] | Circuitsoft: | As does mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=asdf |
| [05:11:33] | Circuitsoft: | Specifically, to an X server running on Windows. |
| [05:11:38] | kdubya: | or when you open another frontend on another machine |
| [05:11:47] | kdubya: | you probably just lack the fonts |
| [05:11:50] | Circuitsoft: | Haven't tried another frontend |
| [05:12:03] | Circuitsoft: | I've installed almost every font package available in aptitude. |
| [05:12:21] | Circuitsoft: | /usr/share/fonts is 409MB |
| [05:12:31] | kdubya: | you could try changing the theme |
| [05:12:44] | Circuitsoft: | I've tried a few different themes – They all look identical |
| [05:12:56] | Circuitsoft: | Or maybe mythtv-setup doesn't accept the Theme setting. |
| [05:12:57] | kdubya: | they look identical, or they all lack fonts |
| [05:13:04] | Circuitsoft: | They look identical |
| [05:13:08] | Circuitsoft: | Same colors, same sizes |
| [05:13:08] | qfx: | does anyone here have 2 tuner cards going? I have just installed a second tuner (both PVR-150) and I can mplayer /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 but when I try to set up another card in mythtv-setup it still says /dev/video0 |
| [05:13:10] | Circuitsoft: | Same locations |
| [05:13:25] | kdubya: | i dont think those -O options work on mythtv-setup |
| [05:13:28] | kdubya: | just do it on the frontend |
| [05:13:33] | Circuitsoft: | How? |
| [05:13:37] | kdubya: | uhm |
| [05:13:38] | Circuitsoft: | I haven't managed to run setup yet. |
| [05:13:46] | kdubya: | so what |
| [05:14:08] | kdubya: | it doesnt have to get very far along in the frontend for you to see if fonts are working |
| [05:14:20] | iamlindoro: | -O works fine with mythtv-setup |
| [05:14:56] | kdubya: | well what other themes did you try? |
| [05:14:59] | kdubya: | SOMETHIGN should change |
| [05:15:17] | Circuitsoft: | Don't remember, but they were recommended by someone else in this channel. |
| [05:15:22] | Circuitsoft: | Can you name a few and I'll try them now? |
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| [05:15:40] | Circuitsoft: | Also, is there any way to verify that it accepted -O properly? |
| [05:15:49] | kdubya: | gant, mythcenter, blootube |
| [05:16:26] | iamlindoro: | capitalization and spelling count |
| [05:16:30] | iamlindoro: | G.A.N.T |
| [05:16:34] | iamlindoro: | Blue |
| [05:16:59] | Circuitsoft: | -O Theme=G.A.N.T |
| [05:17:01] | Circuitsoft: | right? |
| [05:17:07] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [05:17:10] | Circuitsoft: | No difference |
| [05:17:14] | iamlindoro: | Should be grey with cartoonish icons |
| [05:17:16] | Circuitsoft: | G.A.N.T and Blue look identical. |
| [05:17:18] | Circuitsoft: | nope. |
| [05:17:19] | kdubya: | well cant is default |
| [05:17:23] | kdubya: | gant |
| [05:17:29] | kdubya: | is it? |
| [05:17:32] | iamlindoro: | GANT and blue don't look identical, your stystem is broken |
| [05:17:43] | Dagmar: | Or you're REALLY high |
| [05:17:48] | Circuitsoft: | Obviously, but I have no idea how or where |
| [05:18:01] | Circuitsoft: | I've never been high, so that's definitely not the case. |
| [05:19:32] | Circuitsoft: | Anyone know of a PasteBin for screenshots? |
| [05:19:36] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: the output to the console you started it from should say where the theme was loaded from |
| [05:19:43] | Dagmar: | photobucket |
| [05:19:55] | Circuitsoft: | It gets scrolled off by all the RenderBadPicture errors. |
| [05:20:22] | Anduin: | mythtv-setup 2>&1|tee run.log |
| [05:20:39] | kdubya: | heh |
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| [05:21:53] | Dagmar: | 2:1 says he typoed 'G.A.N.T', 1.5:1 says permissions on the G.A.N.T directory are ruined. 3:1 says the files are empty. |
| [05:22:09] | qfx: | does anyone here have 2 tuner cards going? I have just installed a second tuner (both PVR-150) and I can mplayer /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 but when I try to set up another card in mythtv-setup it still says /dev/video0. They use the same channel source (just split) |
| [05:22:19] | Circuitsoft: | "No theme dir: $HOME/.mythtv/themes/blue |
| [05:22:49] | iamlindoro: | Circuitsoft, did you compile myth yourself? What does the *very* beginning part say about runtime prefix? |
| [05:22:49] | Circuitsoft: | Dagmar: I did not typo G.A.N.T – I remember a note concerning the lack of final period. Haven't checked perms on the directory |
| [05:22:54] | Dagmar: | qfx: You should be able to change it to say /dev/video1 man |
| [05:23:16] | qfx: | I do under capture cards, and then it always shows /dev/video0 in the list :( |
| [05:23:20] | Circuitsoft: | I tried compiling myself, but had the same results, so I went back to the distro package from debian-multimedia.org |
| [05:23:44] | Dagmar: | qfx: That's bizarre |
| [05:23:46] | Circuitsoft: | Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [05:23:54] | qfx: | Dagmar, you're telling me! ;) |
| [05:23:59] | Dagmar: | I've got a PVR-500 and it worked like it was supposed to here |
| [05:24:00] | iamlindoro: | ls /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
| [05:24:06] | iamlindoro: | are there themes in that dir? |
| [05:24:13] | Circuitsoft: | Yup. |
| [05:24:16] | iamlindoro: | How many? |
| [05:24:26] | Circuitsoft: | All are is 755 perms |
| [05:24:27] | qfx: | mine is literally just 2 PVR 150's. I go mythtv-setup -> Capture cards |
| [05:24:31] | Circuitsoft: | 20 |
| [05:24:45] | qfx: | it shows MPEG: /dev/video0 and MPEG: /dev/video0 |
| [05:24:49] | Dagmar: | qfx: Well, as far as the software is concerned, a PVR-500 is simply two PVR-150's |
| [05:24:58] | kdubya: | thats a lot of themes |
| [05:25:04] | qfx: | SO I pick one, change it to /dev/video1 and then click ok, it goes back to the same |
| [05:25:29] | qfx: | Dagmar, yah, ivtv makes it look identical presumably. I can load them both with mplayer and they're certainly on different channels |
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| [05:25:39] | Circuitsoft: | G.A.N.T has 55 files and 4 dirs. |
| [05:25:51] | Dagmar: | qfx: No seriously you should be able to change that to /dev/video1 |
| [05:25:57] | Circuitsoft: | All the files are 644 |
| [05:26:15] | qfx: | Dagmar, OK well want to hear a funny story? It's because it's an f'n dropdown and I'd typed it in directly... Bah must be lack of sleep |
| [05:26:22] | qfx: | JUST realized that playing around with it |
| [05:26:27] | kdubya: | haha |
| [05:26:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | qfx: Delete one of them, then add it back in correctly. |
| [05:26:32] | Dagmar: | qfx: Okay. Heheh |
| [05:26:54] | Dagmar: | qfx: You can blame Qt's insane idea of what passes for an intuitive entry widget. |
| [05:26:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | qfx: good deal. |
| [05:26:58] | Dagmar: | Lord knows I do |
| [05:27:10] | kdubya: | all the menues can be navigated with a remote |
| [05:27:12] | qfx: | Should I do another full scan on the video source? It's the same.... |
| [05:27:15] | qfx: | same as video0 |
| [05:27:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | no |
| [05:27:32] | qfx: | couldn't hurt though right? |
| [05:27:38] | Dagmar: | qfx: Nope. On the next bit you bind your channel source to that card as well and you're done. |
| [05:27:40] | kdubya: | the scan is not for cards, its for sources |
| [05:27:48] | qfx: | Yah |
| [05:28:09] | kdubya: | and the scan is not for analog cards |
| [05:28:15] | qfx: | OK, sweet. And myth is smart enough to auto pick the first available tuner, I think the WAF just went up (since if there's a conflict then MY show wins) |
| [05:28:39] | Dagmar: | qfx: In generaly you don't use scanning with analog--you set up your listings data over at SchedulesDirect and it'll populate things correctly from there on the first pull |
| [05:28:47] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: MYTHTVDIR set? |
| [05:28:53] | qfx: | Dagmar, Cool, thanks |
| [05:28:57] | Circuitsoft: | no |
| [05:29:26] | Circuitsoft: | Should it be? |
| [05:29:26] | qfx: | hey, do most of you just 'ln -s mythfilldatabase /etc/cron.daily' kind of thing? |
| [05:29:33] | Dagmar: | qfx: No. |
| [05:29:40] | Dagmar: | That's kinda the wrong way to do it |
| [05:29:46] | qfx: | Boo, I don't like wrong ways |
| [05:29:49] | Circuitsoft: | Isn't mythfilldatabase a one-time-thing? |
| [05:29:59] | iamlindoro: | one-time nightly anyway |
| [05:30:02] | kdubya: | no, you have to do it to update your schedules |
| [05:30:07] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: No, though maybe try MYTHTVDIR=/usr mythtv-setup to be sure |
| [05:30:08] | Circuitsoft: | ok. |
| [05:30:15] | Dagmar: | qfx: For one, cron executes at the same time every day... This could pose a problem for the listing service if LOTS of people pick 6:30pm as the magic time to get new data |
| [05:30:45] | Dagmar: | For the other, the listings service actually recommends a window for the next data pull when you get your data. This way they can even out the load. |
| [05:30:53] | qfx: | well, I do have a lot of respect for the good folks that manage sched.direct so I don't really want to cause them problems |
| [05:31:08] | Dagmar: | ...mythfilldatabase can and will notice this recommendation, and the backend is fully capable of triggering mythfilldatabase at that time. |
| [05:31:09] | kdubya: | Neat. |
| [05:31:14] | Circuitsoft: | Would "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" explain all my issues? |
| [05:31:19] | qfx: | Dagmar, so why doesn't it? |
| [05:31:25] | Dagmar: | There's a bit in the frontend setup menus that lets you tell it to have the backend run mythfilldatabase. No crontab needed |
| [05:31:30] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: many |
| [05:31:42] | Dagmar: | Circuitsoft: it would explain a crapton |
| [05:31:53] | Circuitsoft: | ok |
| [05:31:55] | kdubya: | damn how did no one guess database access |
| [05:32:05] | Dagmar: | qfz: Since the thing doesn't assume everyone's using mythfilldatabase, it's just not enabled by default |
| [05:32:10] | Anduin: | kdubya: because it is always fonts :) |
| [05:32:15] | Dagmar: | kdubya: Because that's a g*****n dumb problem |
| [05:32:45] | Circuitsoft: | Except, that everything I've read implied that mythtv-setup would get MySQL set up for me too. |
| [05:32:48] | kdubya: | yeah, but people still dont set it up right and come in here and ask |
| [05:32:50] | kdubya: | all the damn time |
| [05:32:54] | qfx: | Dagmar, huh, right there in setup... how intuitive! At least more than my stupid /dev/video1 brainfart |
| [05:32:58] | Dagmar: | Circuitsoft: Okay, you *are* high |
| [05:33:03] | qfx: | any recommended arguments? |
| [05:33:12] | kdubya: | mythtv-setup doesnt set up the database |
| [05:33:13] | kdubya: | at all |
| [05:33:15] | Dagmar: | qfz: Nah. It really needs nothing other than for the backend to prod it |
| [05:33:19] | Circuitsoft: | I have set the root password for MySQL. |
| [05:33:35] | Circuitsoft: | All the guides I've read say that the next step is mythtv-setup. |
| [05:33:49] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: it does create tables, it doesn't create the database |
| [05:33:50] | kdubya: | you need to tell myth the password |
| [05:33:52] | Dagmar: | Circuitsoft: The user has to set up MySQL. There's a little mc.sql that's mentioned in the docs *hinthint* that will create teh mythtv user and tables |
| [05:34:10] | Dagmar: | Considering those are about the only two nonobvious things one needs to do to MySQl, they're kinda hard to get wrong |
| [05:34:22] | Circuitsoft: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch |
| [05:34:31] | Dagmar: | That's supposed to be good news, by the way. There's not *much* you have to do to MySQl but it *does* have to be functional |
| [05:34:51] | Circuitsoft: | MySQL section mentions setting the root password and making sure the DB is running. |
| [05:35:04] | Dagmar: | So did you do that? |
| [05:35:13] | Circuitsoft: | Yes. |
| [05:35:21] | Dagmar: | So let me point out this other thing |
| [05:35:21] | qfx: | Dagmar, thank you |
| [05:35:28] | Dagmar: | It's a long-standing Unix tradition. |
| [05:35:44] | Dagmar: | NEVER type things into your system as root without having at least a clear idea of what they're going to do. |
| [05:35:52] | Circuitsoft: | I know. |
| [05:36:07] | Circuitsoft: | Which is why I understand exactly what those few MySQL-related commands would do. |
| [05:36:22] | Circuitsoft: | I figured Mythtv-setup would ask for my mysql root password and get everything else set up for me. |
| [05:36:31] | Circuitsoft: | The guides I've seen are not particularly verbose on that point. |
| [05:37:02] | Circuitsoft: | I'm not new to *nix. |
| [05:37:14] | Dagmar: | If that page is all you've consulted and you haven't read the main, distribution-generic, instalaltion docs, you need to do so now |
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| [05:37:34] | qfx: | I've been using linux since Redhat 6.2 and I'd have to say I feel pretty newb still :( |
| [05:37:35] | Dagmar: | What that says about MySQL should just be deleted because it's bloody useless. |
| [05:37:39] | Dagmar: | er that Debian page says |
| [05:37:40] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: most packagers will do the database creation for you, I'd be surprised if the package didn't try or even work |
| [05:37:48] | qfx: | Hell, I have to teach new developers linux at my work, and I still feel newb at it. |
| [05:38:04] | Circuitsoft: | I've started on RH5 |
| [05:38:19] | Circuitsoft: | SuSE 6.4, SuSE 8.2, Gentoo, FreeBSD, a little AIX |
| [05:38:34] | Circuitsoft: | Cygwin recently, some Ubuntu, and a bit of debian. |
| [05:38:38] | qfx: | now your using deb? |
| [05:38:46] | Circuitsoft: | For this system, at least. |
| [05:38:55] | Dagmar: | You put AIX on it? |
| [05:38:58] | Circuitsoft: | It's the only place I actually got graphics drivers working. |
| [05:39:03] | Circuitsoft: | I put AIX on an RS6000 |
| [05:39:07] | qfx: | I like the Suse install for it, simple enough but Suse has enough of the server stuff I can play around with other bits that I like |
| [05:39:14] | Circuitsoft: | I've also put Gentoo on a Sparc IIi |
| [05:39:17] | Dagmar: | So you can stick in a CD and wait several hours. Nice. |
| [05:39:23] | kdubya: | haha |
| [05:39:42] | Dagmar: | ...and just because I've had prior experience with AIX myself, I have to ask... |
| [05:39:43] | Circuitsoft: | And on an OldWorld G3 |
| [05:40:01] | Dagmar: | Did you get any cranial bleeding afterwards, or did the hemmorhaging stay internal? |
| [05:40:44] | Circuitsoft: | I gave up before hitting my head against the keyboard too many times. |
| [05:41:06] | Dagmar: | AIX, probably more than any other factor, is probably the primary reason IBM was so hot to adopt Linux. |
| [05:41:14] | Circuitsoft: | I never imagined some of the smallest things would bother me – like not being able to scroll Up in a Manpage. |
| [05:41:27] | Circuitsoft: | Disk Management on AIX was nice. That's why Linux has LVM2 |
| [05:41:30] | Dagmar: | Oh I could name many more |
| [05:41:55] | Circuitsoft: | That, and the lack of any useful software whatsoever. |
| [05:42:15] | Circuitsoft: | Didn't even have a port of GCC so I could build less to help with my manpage-reading. |
| [05:42:35] | qfx: | less is more |
| [05:42:41] | qfx: | My favourite *nix joke |
| [05:42:42] | Dagmar: | It was the last of the "Old world" unixes that believed you should pay extra for everything, including lowercase letters. |
| [05:43:22] | Circuitsoft: | That would explain much of my frustration. |
| [05:44:09] | qfx: | hmmm... that worked quite well, i just scheduled 2 conflicting programs without complaint |
| [05:44:33] | qfx: | Now to watch the log and parse my user-job error, I'll be stoked. I should probably set this to allow more than 1 job at a time too |
| [05:44:33] | kdubya: | amazing that having 2 tuners lets you do that |
| [05:45:43] | qfx: | amazing that *I* got it working anyhow (despite that being off the backs of hundreds of hours of development work by other people) |
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| [05:48:43] | Circuitsoft: | Okay. |
| [05:49:07] | Circuitsoft: | I've purged and reinstalled mysql server, reinstalled mythtv-database, run the mc.sql script. |
| [05:49:11] | Circuitsoft: | No change in behavior. |
| [05:49:32] | Circuitsoft: | Well, almost. |
| [05:49:35] | Circuitsoft: | Now it's "Access Denied" |
| [05:50:19] | Anduin: | access denied is progress |
| [05:51:21] | Circuitsoft: | Well, after doing a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database *again* |
| [05:51:44] | Circuitsoft: | It looks different, but it's not painting most of the screen at all and I'm getting lots of "X Error: BadMatch" |
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| [05:52:13] | Circuitsoft: | Okay. |
| [05:52:28] | Circuitsoft: | I re-ran the import of mc.sql, and I'm back to my original screen look with no fonts now. |
| [05:52:37] | Circuitsoft: | Still getting Access denied |
| [05:53:48] | Circuitsoft: | mysqladmin -u mythtv password NurFL4iL |
| [05:53:52] | Circuitsoft: | Access denied |
| [05:54:03] | Circuitsoft: | That's what's in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [05:54:13] | Circuitsoft: | Rather, that's the PW in mysql.txt |
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| [05:55:17] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [05:55:40] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: the default mc.sql grants access only to the mythconverg database |
| [05:56:12] | Circuitsoft: | Still says Access denied |
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| [05:58:11] | Circuitsoft: | Running mc.sql manually in mysql, gives me "Query OK, 0 rows affected, 1 warning (0.00 sec)" for the first line |
| [05:58:12] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: I'd check the mysql user table with your favorite mysql admin too |
| [05:58:15] | Anduin: | l |
| [05:58:39] | Circuitsoft: | Don't use MySQL much. Do you have a preferred admin tool? |
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| [05:58:55] | Dagmar: | You don't run it, you feed it to it like it shows in the docs. |
| [05:58:55] | Circuitsoft: | (I generally use either Postgres or SQLite when I need a DB) |
| [05:59:05] | Dagmar: | `mysql < mc.sql` |
| [05:59:13] | Circuitsoft: | That gave me no output. |
| [05:59:17] | Circuitsoft: | So, I ran mysql |
| [05:59:19] | Circuitsoft: | typed \e |
| [05:59:23] | Circuitsoft: | That brought up vi |
| [05:59:33] | Circuitsoft: | I did ":r /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql" |
| [05:59:49] | Circuitsoft: | Then saved and quit, which ran that SQL script in mysql. |
| [06:00:03] | Circuitsoft: | That way, I got output to get some idea of what was going on. |
| [06:00:34] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: personally, I usually use mysql to look at tables, or mysql-administrator(or mysql-query-browser) |
| [06:01:22] | Circuitsoft: | So, just "SELECT * FROM USERS;"? |
| [06:01:23] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: you could also mysql -u root mythconverg to at least see the database is there |
| [06:01:29] | Circuitsoft: | That worked. |
| [06:01:50] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: they call the table just 'user' |
| [06:02:03] | Circuitsoft: | Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist |
| [06:02:04] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: and it has a million fields |
| [06:02:08] | Circuitsoft: | ok |
| [06:02:27] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: Yeah, this is a mysql table so the "mysql" database for users |
| [06:03:24] | Circuitsoft: | Last two rows in user start with "localhost | mythtv" and "% | mythtv" |
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| [06:05:10] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: if you ran mc.sql have you tried the default "mythtv" password? |
| [06:07:58] | inteliwasp: | for the Hauppauge WINTVHVR1600, when it mean dual tuner, does that mean i can record an analog and digital at the same time? |
| [06:08:06] | wagnerrp_: | correct |
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| [06:08:31] | Circuitsoft: | Yup. Didn't work. |
| [06:08:46] | Circuitsoft: | Still trying to figure out how to change the mythtv password from the root user (within the database) |
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| [06:09:31] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: the mysql docs (online) give examples, I usually cheat and use an admin tool to not remember |
| [06:10:56] | inteliwasp: | wagnerrp_ : did you mean me? |
| [06:11:03] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:11:09] | inteliwasp: | yay! |
| [06:11:53] | clever: | i usualy cheat and use phpmyadmin :P |
| [06:11:59] | Circuitsoft: | Rows matched: 2 Changed: 1 Warnings: 0 |
| [06:12:07] | Circuitsoft: | Why did it change only one row? |
| [06:12:32] | clever: | the other row was allready at whatever value you where setting |
| [06:12:39] | Circuitsoft: | ok. |
| [06:12:45] | Circuitsoft: | Well, it still didn't work. |
| [06:12:54] | Circuitsoft: | mysql -u mysql -p mythconverg |
| [06:13:01] | Circuitsoft: | Didn't work with the password as I just set it. |
| [06:13:17] | clever: | if you update the table, you have to flush the privlidges |
| [06:13:18] | Circuitsoft: | UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('NewPassword') WHERE USER='mythtv'; |
| [06:13:33] | Dagmar: | So to heck with it then |
| [06:13:36] | clever: | mysql wont use the new contents of the table until after you flush it |
| [06:14:27] | Dagmar: | Nuke the whole database files, use mysql_install_db to reinitialize the database, set the root mysql user's password, and then reimport the mc.sql file which WILL set up the mythconverg and mythtv mysql user accounts correctly. |
| [06:15:04] | Anduin: | Yeah, I'd try what clever said first, he is right (another thing an admin tool just hides) |
| [06:15:31] | Circuitsoft: | I'm thinking my mc.sql does less that others' |
| [06:15:37] | Circuitsoft: | I'll pastebin it in a moment. |
| [06:16:14] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: unlikely, it is the GRANT line that does the user stuff |
| [06:16:47] | Dagmar: | If it does you should send a nastygram to the person who made your binary packegs |
| [06:17:01] | Circuitsoft: | http://pastebin.com/d1fdf3c40 |
| [06:17:13] | Dagmar: | Uh, a simple line count would do |
| [06:17:27] | Circuitsoft: | 6 lines |
| [06:17:32] | Circuitsoft: | It grants permission to the mythtv user, but never creates a mythtv user or sets it's password. |
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| [06:17:44] | Dagmar: | 6 lines. |
| [06:18:18] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: the GRANT line will create the user, that is the stock mc.sql |
| [06:18:59] | Circuitsoft: | That is unlike any other database I've used. |
| [06:19:11] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: Yes |
| [06:19:41] | Circuitsoft: | I see why PgSQL has such a following... |
| [06:19:57] | Circuitsoft: | Anyway. |
| [06:20:14] | Anduin: | every good piece of MySQL is an afterthought added to make it like better DBs that existed at the time |
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| [06:20:32] | Circuitsoft: | So the UPDATE line I mentioned above still didn't let me access the mythconverg database with the mythtv user. |
| [06:20:54] | clever: | Circuitsoft: because you need to flush things after editing the users table |
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| [06:20:56] | floppyears: | hi |
| [06:20:58] | Circuitsoft: | I did. |
| [06:21:12] | floppyears: | my cable service provider is switching all of its analog service users to digital |
| [06:21:18] | Circuitsoft: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [06:21:33] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: Dagmar's burn everything down suggestion isn't looking so bad :) |
| [06:21:38] | floppyears: | they will be providing us with a cable box and digital to aganlog converter boxes |
| [06:21:49] | Circuitsoft: | I actually tried that already – Didn't work so well. |
| [06:22:00] | floppyears: | I talked to a customer rep and s/he said that the channels will not be unencrypted |
| [06:22:10] | floppyears: | what are my options if I want to use mythtv ? |
| [06:22:17] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: if using packages it is likely it didn't remove the actual DB or restore defaults |
| [06:22:27] | Circuitsoft: | floppyears: Will *not* be *un*encrypted? |
| [06:22:41] | Circuitsoft: | I purged mysql-server, didn't just remove it. |
| [06:22:53] | Circuitsoft: | It asked me if I really wanted to delete all databases. |
| [06:22:56] | Circuitsoft: | I said "Yes" |
| [06:23:19] | Anduin: | floppyears: you abandon the tuner, switch to S-Video or whatever and find a way to control the box (IR being one way but the last I'd try) |
| [06:23:27] | floppyears: | Circuitsoft: correct |
| [06:23:36] | Circuitsoft: | floppyears: One option would be an IRBlaster |
| [06:24:28] | Circuitsoft: | Anduin: Did the purge a few minutes ago. |
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| [06:24:56] | floppyears: | Anduin: abandon the tuner? how can mythtv work without it ? |
| [06:25:24] | floppyears: | Circuitsoft: would I still be able to record tv ? |
| [06:25:28] | Circuitsoft: | floppyears: Use the tuner only as a video capture card, not to actually tune things. |
| [06:25:28] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: try again, don't install the mythtv-database package, just mc.sql, once the basics work the rest can be done |
| [06:25:40] | Circuitsoft: | mc.sql is owned by mythtv-database. |
| [06:25:49] | Circuitsoft: | If I don't install mythtv-database, I don't get an mc.sql file. |
| [06:26:03] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: copy it |
| [06:26:23] | Circuitsoft: | And it'll wind up removing mythtv due to unsatisfied dependencies |
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| [06:26:48] | Anduin: | Hmm, ok, well you can purge mysql underneath it right? |
| [06:26:54] | Circuitsoft: | yup |
| [06:27:40] | Circuitsoft: | Since mythtv-database only relies on mysql-client |
| [06:27:41] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: that should be good enough, the worry is an Ubuntu like password setting step to make your mythconverg DB super secret |
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| [06:29:28] | floppyears: | Circuitsoft: so using that ir blaster I should still be able to use mythtv as I've been so far |
| [06:29:46] | floppyears: | and still record the digital encrypted channels |
| [06:30:30] | Circuitsoft: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [06:30:40] | Circuitsoft: | Any idea what password it's using? |
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| [06:30:52] | Circuitsoft: | There's a /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt that lists one. |
| [06:30:57] | Circuitsoft: | Is that it? |
| [06:30:59] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: if you just did mc.sql the password is: mythtv |
| [06:31:13] | Circuitsoft: | That's the password to connect. |
| [06:31:20] | Circuitsoft: | What password is mythtv actually using, though? |
| [06:31:26] | Circuitsoft: | Or, trying to use? |
| [06:31:31] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: it will use the one in mysql.txt |
| [06:31:57] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: fixing that would be the next thing once you can mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg with mythtv |
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| [06:32:28] | Circuitsoft: | "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" |
| [06:32:30] | Circuitsoft: | works now. |
| [06:32:40] | Circuitsoft: | with "mythtv" as password. |
| [06:32:58] | Anduin: | ah, then update mysql.txt to use that password, try mythtv-setup again |
| [06:33:00] | Circuitsoft: | I set mythtv as the password specd in mysql.txt, but it still can't connect. |
| [06:33:26] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: look for multiple mysql.txt files (in /etc and ~/.mythtv) |
| [06:35:09] | Circuitsoft: | Ok. |
| [06:35:16] | Circuitsoft: | blew away ~/.mythtv |
| [06:35:23] | Circuitsoft: | deleted /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [06:35:42] | Circuitsoft: | And now it connected to the database and failed to paint to the screen. |
| [06:36:02] | Circuitsoft: | Setting ThemePainter to opengl makes no difference |
| [06:36:25] | Circuitsoft: | (Still says "Using the Qt painter") |
| [06:36:33] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: mythtv-setup 2>&1|tee run.log and pastebin run.log |
| [06:36:44] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: also try -O Theme=blah again |
| [06:37:47] | Circuitsoft: | run.log is 60KB |
| [06:38:38] | Circuitsoft: | I'll filter out a few X Errors when I do... |
| [06:38:40] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: lot of the X errors? |
| [06:38:43] | Circuitsoft: | yup |
| [06:39:37] | Circuitsoft: | http://pastebin.com/d3af418a2 |
| [06:40:47] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: blah was just me being lazy, G.A.N.T, MythCenter, etc |
| [06:41:24] | Circuitsoft: | Well, MythCenter looks *very* slightly different from G.A.N.T |
| [06:41:59] | iamlindoro__: | GANT and Mythcenter look nothing alike... if they look the same you're watching on a braille display |
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| [06:42:22] | Circuitsoft: | I'll try to get a screenshot up. |
| [06:42:29] | Circuitsoft: | It's not actually painting most of the display. |
| [06:42:48] | Circuitsoft: | There's a short, wide, gray rectangle in the middle. |
| [06:43:06] | Circuitsoft: | The difference between G.A.N.T and MythCenter is the color of the highlight around that rectangle. |
| [06:44:05] | Anduin: | Circuitsoft: does it change if you hit enter? |
| [06:44:10] | Anduin: | (or arrows) |
| [06:44:24] | Circuitsoft: | Well, it's not doing that anymore. |
| [06:44:29] | Circuitsoft: | I'll post two screenshots. |
| [06:46:47] | xris: | kdubya: (replying to old comment) watching any encrypted QAM channels (which would imply that you are decrypting them) is illegal. We simply don't talk about such things here. |
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| [06:53:45] | Circuitsoft: | http://imagebin.org/34049 |
| [06:54:09] | Circuitsoft: | http://imagebin.org/34050 |
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| [06:56:54] | iamlindoro__: | The first would be where you are normally told you are scaling the images, the second is the language selection screen. Neither bears any resemblance to any Myth Theme |
| [06:57:06] | iamlindoro__: | I expect whatever is causing your X errors is causing this |
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| [06:57:44] | Circuitsoft: | That was G.A.N.T |
| [06:57:52] | Circuitsoft: | MythCenter looks very slightly different. |
| [06:58:06] | Circuitsoft: | (Just colors) |
| [06:58:20] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't matter, your problem is failure to draw widgets and other QT stuff |
| [06:58:35] | Circuitsoft: | qtconfig works |
| [06:58:42] | iamlindoro__: | I would suspect your xorg or graphics driver setup |
| [06:58:49] | Circuitsoft: | IceWeasel works |
| [06:58:55] | Circuitsoft: | Gnash works |
| [06:59:07] | iamlindoro__: | I don't care what does work, that doesn't mean anything |
| [06:59:46] | Circuitsoft: | If Mythtv is failing, and Mythtv is using Qt, wouldn't that imply some problem between QT and my Monitor Inclusive? |
| [07:00:06] | iamlindoro__: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=700107 |
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| [07:09:58] | brownslug4: | I'm trying to use yum to get mythtv installed using "yum install mythtv-suite" but receive this error: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: atrpms. Please verify its path and try again |
| [07:10:06] | brownslug4: | any help would be appreciated |
| [07:10:56] | tjcarter: | I'm still having a hard time deciding betweeh Crystal 2 and (real) Matrix.. It's a tough call, really. |
| [07:11:02] | tjcarter: | /oops |
| [07:11:38] | Anduin: | brownslug4: check that it is up, make sure you have the latest repository packages from it (no I don't use it) |
| [07:15:55] | CaptObviousman: | so, I found another crash-the-backend channel |
| [07:16:00] | ** CaptObviousman isn't sure what's going on ** | |
| [07:18:29] | brownslug4: | Anduin: alright got it. |
| [07:18:34] | brownslug4: | just had the baseurl wrong |
| [07:18:36] | brownslug4: | thx |
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| [07:26:04] | brownslug4: | another problem......i just ran "yum install mythtv-suite" but get this error after about 5 minutes: qt3-MySQL-3.3.8b-12.fc9.i386 from fedora has depsolving problems. |
| [07:26:14] | brownslug4: | qt3 is already installed. any ideas? |
| [07:29:00] | iamlindoro__: | That is presumably the QT mysql lib |
| [07:29:11] | iamlindoro__: | And this is why I never use fedora any more |
| [07:29:43] | brownslug4: | alright |
| [07:29:52] | Anduin: | brownslug4: shouldn't happen, do you have an updates repository enabled but not the base? or missed the .newkey thing? |
| [07:30:55] | Circuitsoft: | iamlindoro__ Everything else I've tried worked. Just to try, I switched the graphics driver to vesa instead of fglrx, and it still looks the same. |
| [07:31:17] | iamlindoro__: | Circuitsoft: I linked you to a post that accurately describes your problem, including cause |
| [07:31:24] | Circuitsoft: | Yes. |
| [07:31:30] | Circuitsoft: | I read that post, and looked into it. |
| [07:31:39] | Circuitsoft: | I don't think that is the issue. |
| [07:31:51] | Circuitsoft: | I've tried several opengl-related diagnostics, and they're all fine. |
| [07:32:17] | iamlindoro__: | Circuitsoft: Until you've actually swapped out the libs, you shouldn't be satisfied that it's not. |
| [07:32:59] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, I'm not going to argue with you about what your problem is if I'm going to be fighting you the entire way, good luck, happy trails |
| [07:33:16] | Circuitsoft: | On Gentoo, there's "eselect opengl" to change OpenGL lib symlinks. Do you know what, if any, debian equivalent it is? |
| [07:33:42] | brownslug4: | Anduin: i'm not sure....what can i check? |
| [07:36:11] | Anduin: | brownslug4: that you have some version of fedora.repo in /etc/yum.repos.d, it is enabled, and the accompanying fedora-updates.repo (possibly having newkey in there somewhere, I don't remember) points to the .newkey updates repo |
| [07:36:51] | Circuitsoft: | iamlindoro__ Swapped out libGL.so for libgl1-mesa-swx11 instead of fglrx-glx – no difference |
| [07:37:09] | Circuitsoft: | Tried a few different glut implementations, just in case. |
| [07:37:11] | Circuitsoft: | Removed them all. |
| [07:37:20] | Circuitsoft: | No difference on any change. |
| [07:39:13] | Circuitsoft: | Oh well, I'm tired and need to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow. |
| [07:39:30] | ** Circuitsoft is leaving, but letting my computer lurk until I get back. ** | |
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| [09:25:43] | GlemSom: | When I start my mediecenter my screen NEEDS to be on – else it will not output to it (using hdmi og a 8500gt card). I tried to disable UseEDID – but that jsut resulted in a 640x480 resolution :( Anyone know if it's possible to configure a nvidia 8500 card to always use the HDMI port, and use a fixed resolution? (Even thought the screen is turned off) |
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| [09:59:55] | sakrhass: | 20 min into the live tv I hit record and watched the whole show when it finished mythtv only recorded 15 min? |
| [10:00:25] | at0m|c: | sakrhass, i think mythtv records in chuncks of 30mins |
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| [10:01:10] | sakrhass: | so come i only get 15 min BTW my hdd 250GB |
| [10:01:15] | at0m|c: | is your program list filled? |
| [10:01:28] | sakrhass: | so how come I meant:) |
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| [10:01:58] | at0m|c: | well if the show was running from 20:00 and you press rec at 20:15 it records till 20:30 |
| [10:02:02] | at0m|c: | so 15mins |
| [10:02:32] | at0m|c: | unless program data is provided, it will record small chuncks, dont ask me why |
| [10:02:35] | sakrhass: | that was the first show I started to watch after installing mythtv |
| [10:02:54] | Dibblah: | No – It'll record from the beginning of the chunk to the end. |
| [10:03:14] | Dibblah: | Get guide data :) |
| [10:03:24] | sakrhass: | I haven't installed any tv_guide _grabber yet |
| [10:03:36] | Dibblah: | Well, do that, then :) |
| [10:03:57] | at0m|c: | get a grabber, or set up a manual recording schedule |
| [10:03:59] | sakrhass: | does that mean it won't record any show without tv_guide? |
| [10:04:11] | at0m|c: | you can mannually schedule |
| [10:04:24] | sakrhass: | ok I can |
| [10:05:11] | sakrhass: | so I set manually schedule for let's 90 mins |
| [10:05:40] | sakrhass: | will try that :) thanks Guys |
| [10:06:57] | at0m|c: | sakrhass, i'd only manually schedule when using guide data is unavailable/impossible |
| [10:07:26] | at0m|c: | much better sorting, categorising, sometimes adjusts to time shifts etc |
| [10:07:54] | sakrhass: | well to be honest most of my channels are of Satellite and EPG it's kinda like none exist:) |
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| [10:10:29] | Dibblah: | Which country? |
| [10:11:36] | sakrhass: | I watch mainly Asiasat2 some channels from Emirates Qatar |
| [10:18:36] | at0m|c: | Dibblah, since a month or 2 in .be we're also without EPG, mythportal.be stopped grabbing from tvblad.be when they changed their format once more now adding an explicit "prohibited to grab EPG" to each program |
| [10:19:15] | at0m|c: | thought it was a nice setup, one site grabbing and providing the EPG data in a proper format for mythtv |
| [10:20:34] | at0m|c: | the main commercial distributor, who distributes to magazines and websites etc, was willing to offer mythportal.be the data for 10k eu :] |
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| [11:15:55] | Finswimmer: | hello, my whole system ist iso-8859–1. When i try to insert an EPG file (xml with iso-8859–1) with üäöä (umlaute), then they got messed up. |
| [11:16:24] | Finswimmer: | but with the mythtv from my brother it works fine. |
| [11:17:05] | Finswimmer: | Where are the locales stored? My mysql shows: status --> latin1. |
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| [11:17:39] | Finswimmer: | Does the frontend/backend could have another locale settings than which are specified system-wide? |
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| [11:18:25] | at0m|c: | run "locale" to see your locales |
| [11:18:40] | at0m|c: | locale-gen to generate these |
| [11:18:44] | Finswimmer: | LC_ALL=de_DE.ISO-8859–1 |
| [11:19:13] | Finswimmer: | they are fine. but could it be possible that mythbackend has utf-8 (cause i switched yesterday) |
| [11:20:07] | at0m|c: | well it might be set to de_DE.ISO-8859–1, run locale-gen to generate the needed files |
| [11:21:09] | Finswimmer: | at0m|c: I did it yesterday. and now it says: de_DE.ISO-8859–1... up-to-date |
| [11:21:17] | Finswimmer: | So I think this is okay. |
| [11:21:54] | at0m|c: | oki then i dont know eh. maybe someone more knowledgeable can help you further |
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| [11:24:32] | Finswimmer: | at0m|c: anyway. thanks for your help. |
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| [11:41:26] | dustybin: | wow |
| [11:41:36] | dustybin: | mythtv plays back all my dvd .isos perfectly |
| [11:41:44] | dustybin: | something must of changed! |
| [11:42:04] | dustybin: | although, the frontend did crash on 1 dvd menu |
| [11:42:05] | Finswimmer: | even mythfilldatabase imports it wrong: Natest öööööÃ&f rac14;üütest ööötestc |
| [11:43:20] | ** dustybin thinks about deleteting all x264 rips and removing menus + other crap and keeping original dvd .iso ** | |
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| [11:56:40] | zappolot: | hi everyone |
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| [13:25:03] | Dibblah: | Finswimmer: Is this a default install? |
| [13:25:41] | Dibblah: | Have you done anything to the database to convert it to another format, to correct for character errors? |
| [13:26:15] | Dibblah: | ... Because if you have, trunk will break your non-standard database, AFAIK. |
| [13:27:39] | Finswimmer: | Dibblah: nothing changed. it is a default mythbuntu installation |
| [13:29:54] | Dibblah: | I assume this isn't trunk? |
| [13:30:17] | Dibblah: | If not, I would seriously suggest trying trunk and seeing if it works better for you. |
| [13:30:27] | Dibblah: | Backup your database, yadda yadda yadda. |
| [13:34:46] | Finswimmer: | Dibblah: hmm. I will think about it. currently i am replacing all special characters... not the best, but a workaround |
| [13:35:33] | Dibblah: | Backup the database. Install trunk. Restore the database if it doesn't work. |
| [13:35:47] | Dibblah: | Playing around with the latin1 conversion is not a good plan. |
| [13:36:01] | Dibblah: | ... Since Myth doesn't store characters verbatim in the DB. |
| [13:36:12] | Dibblah: | Trunk is pure UTF8, which does not have this issue. |
| [13:38:42] | Finswimmer: | okay. now i must find informations on building mythTV trunk on mythbuntu... |
| [13:39:02] | Dibblah: | Not fun things to do on a saturday: Sort through your compost bin removing twigs that are too big to fit through the little hatch :( |
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| [13:42:51] | zappolot: | hi, i don t have sound using a bt878 card in mythtv (2 machines, mythbackend on server, mythfrontend on a notebook) |
| [13:44:01] | zappolot: | tv card is connected via cable with line in of soundcard, when I use headphones on tv card there is already no sound, so i guess problem is on tvcard |
| [13:44:16] | zappolot: | any suggestions what i might check or do? |
| [13:46:53] | GlemSom: | I'm trying to use mythweb to make mythtv always record a show (The simpsons) on a specific channel... I select the first show and say "record at any time on tv 3+"... But the next simpsons shows are marked as being recorder earlier... How can that be? |
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| [14:09:08] | GlemSom: | If Duplicate Check method: Subtitle is checked... And the subtitles differ.. Should it then record all the shows? (using record at any time) |
| [14:17:04] | Finswimmer: | Dibblah: it seems as there are no live packages for mythbuntu. so I have to live with my workaround... |
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| [15:37:53] | Blackman: | hello |
| [15:38:08] | Blackman: | anybody here? |
| [15:38:23] | laga: | no |
| [15:38:39] | Blackman: | damn |
| [15:38:44] | iamlindoro__: | sssssssh, now he'll never go away |
| [15:39:00] | ** Blackman desperate ** | |
| [15:39:19] | ** Blackman is crying ** | |
| [15:39:30] | ** Blackman needs newbie support ** | |
| [15:40:40] | Finswimmer: | Blackman: just ask? |
| [15:41:07] | Blackman: | have tried to set up a brand new box – now cannot find any channels when scanning |
| [15:43:13] | Finswimmer: | Blackman: does it work with another programs like w_scan or dvbtune? |
| [15:43:19] | Blackman: | even szap, dvbscan, dvbsnoop do not show anything |
| [15:43:29] | Blackman: | but also no error messages |
| [15:44:03] | Blackman: | the channels.conf is from a vdr which runs just fine on this satellite |
| [15:45:17] | Blackman: | can i look for error messages somewhere deep in the system? |
| [15:45:29] | laga: | channels.conf from VDR is not supported in |
| [15:45:47] | laga: | mythtv. |
| [15:46:13] | Blackman: | can i start with an empty channels.conf? |
| [15:47:15] | Blackman: | no – it's the other way round: i have tried this channels.conf for the tools dvbscan etc. |
| [15:48:19] | Blackman: | the tools did not complain, but also not show any incoming data |
| [15:48:56] | Finswimmer: | if the tools do not find any data, then something in your configuration is wrong... |
| [15:49:28] | Blackman: | today i have even tried the DVB-S card from the old vdr box – same result |
| [15:49:43] | Blackman: | what can be wrong in the configuration? |
| [15:49:48] | Blackman: | where do i start to look? |
| [15:50:06] | Blackman: | it was a standard Mythbuntu 8.10 setup |
| [15:52:15] | Finswimmer: | I do not think that it is mythTV related, so maybe ask in a #dvb channel? |
| [15:52:37] | Blackman: | what? |
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| [17:11:43] | Der_Thomas: | hey, anyone know if there is another site around that shows cable channels for an area like http://www.silicondust.com/, their site is down... |
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| [17:59:14] | iamlindoro: | Der_Thomas, Up here |
| [17:59:56] | Der_Thomas: | sweet, back up here too! |
| [18:00:04] | Der_Thomas: | all I got here was "internal error (2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql.silicondust.vpn' (111)")" |
| [18:00:11] | Der_Thomas: | thanks |
| [18:00:16] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [19:15:24] | judith: | My "Recorded Programs" page on mythweb does not have the "show Group" filter. It only has "show recordings." Any help? |
| [19:15:34] | kormoc: | That dropdown only shows up when you have more then one recording group |
| [19:15:45] | judith: | ahh |
| [19:16:32] | judith: | But I also have tye default "LiveTV " group. I'd like to watch those shows |
| [19:17:40] | judith: | Shows recorded while watching LiveTV do not even show up on mythweb |
| [19:17:42] | kormoc: | if there sre now shows currently in it, it won't show up as well |
| [19:17:55] | kormoc: | are you sure they aren't already expired? |
| [19:18:46] | judith: | Nope...becuse I had to go to the actual system to watch them |
| [19:19:39] | judith: | OK...maybe I have to disable exiry |
| [19:19:44] | judith: | OK...maybe I have to disable expiration |
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| [19:25:51] | mkrufky: | hey, is anybody here in Taiwan? |
| [19:26:57] | mkrufky: | I patches w_scan to be able to do a blind dvb-t channel scan in taiwan, but i cant test it here in new york :-) |
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| [19:27:01] | mkrufky: | ^ patched |
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| [19:30:53] | directhex: | they have computers in taiwan? :o |
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| [19:30:59] | mkrufky: | :-P |
| [19:31:15] | directhex: | dvb-s2 usable yet? |
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| [19:31:31] | mkrufky: | i think so, as of months already |
| [19:31:36] | mkrufky: | but im not the guy to ask about that |
| [19:31:45] | mkrufky: | i play with atsc, dvb-t and digital cable |
| [19:31:52] | mkrufky: | i stay away from anything satellite |
| [19:32:23] | directhex: | but you need sat for decent porn! |
| [19:32:27] | mkrufky: | i think when s2api stuff got merged, a lot of the dvb-s2 came in too |
| [19:32:49] | mkrufky: | the only thing missing that i know of is a flag to indicate the new capability |
| [19:33:18] | mkrufky: | u can certainly find decent porn without a sat |
| [19:33:21] | mkrufky: | :-P |
| [19:33:25] | gbee: | no s2api patches in trunk yet |
| [19:34:05] | mkrufky: | oh, my bad — i was thinking of the kernel, not necessarily myth |
| [19:35:44] | gbee: | patches exist of course, but from what I've picked up they aren't of sufficient quality yet |
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| [19:36:37] | gbee: | no FTA S2 that I'm aware of in the UK anyway (yet) |
| [19:36:43] | mkrufky: | i didnt think so |
| [19:37:06] | mkrufky: | make |
| [19:37:08] | mkrufky: | (oops) |
| [19:37:22] | gbee: | make clean |
| [19:39:34] | janneg: | trunk will see S2 support this year |
| [19:41:30] | gbee: | xmas pressy |
| [19:42:27] | janneg: | yes, but it will be a late one |
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| [19:43:49] | janneg: | i.e. not before the 27th |
| [19:43:57] | mkrufky: | janneg: does this depend on the capability flag patch being merged? |
| [19:44:01] | directhex: | gbee, but freesat mandates s2 support, as tps may switch to it |
| [19:44:08] | mkrufky: | (i hope it gets merged soon) |
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| [19:44:28] | gbee: | directhex: yeah, but I'm not expecting that to happen before the middle of next year |
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| [19:45:08] | gbee: | could be wrong, it's just guesswork on my part |
| [19:45:52] | gbee: | around the time that Five HD and C4 HD go FTA would be my guess though |
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| [19:58:18] | janneg: | mkrufky: not really, I know the names of the DVB-S2 capable frontends but the capability flag would make it cleaner/easier |
| [19:58:30] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [19:58:51] | mkrufky: | ah, yes... i forgot that mythtv uses the frontend names |
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| [20:44:12] | justdave: | hmm, so I was having trouble trying to get an Apple iDVD-generated DVD to work in Myth the other day, and someone in here had suggested checking which codecs it was using. But I got distracted with work stuff and didn't get a chance to followup |
| [20:44:22] | justdave: | where would I go on a DVD to figure out which codec(s) it's using? |
| [20:44:54] | kormoc: | DVD's should always be mpeg2 |
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| [20:45:09] | kormoc: | but checking the frontend logs are likely the first stop |
| [20:47:48] | ** justdave tails mythfrontend.log and pops the DVD in the drive ** | |
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| [20:49:26] | justdave: | I don't see anything obvious but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. |
| [20:49:31] | justdave: | here's the entirety of the output: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/594424 |
| [20:50:44] | kormoc: | there should be more then that |
| [20:50:47] | justdave: | nothing additinal after that, screen went blank briefly then it went back to the Myth menus |
| [20:50:52] | kormoc: | but you might want to do -v +playback |
| [20:50:58] | kormoc: | or whatever the syntax is |
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| [20:51:57] | iamlindoro: | s/+// |
| [20:52:02] | justdave: | hmm, front end appears to be locked up |
| [20:52:52] | justdave: | I killed mythfrontend and it didn't disappear off the screen. :( time to kill gdm I think |
| [20:53:11] | iamlindoro: | ISTR iDVD disks sometimes being a little finicky about what they'll play in |
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| [20:54:01] | jamesd_: | justdave, ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X and gdm will restart it for you |
| [20:54:26] | justdave: | jamesd_: apparently not, I just had to sigKILL X |
| [20:54:26] | iamlindoro: | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8619219 might be helpful, I dunno |
| [20:55:02] | justdave: | but gdm did restart it after I did that |
| [20:55:15] | justdave: | I suspect it was that way before I popped the DVD in |
| [20:55:25] | justdave: | it's done this before to me. |
| [20:55:38] | justdave: | I think Ubuntu doesn't like this video card |
| [20:55:58] | justdave: | hahaha, how about that... |
| [20:56:06] | justdave: | DVD was still in the drive when mythfrontend fired up |
| [20:56:09] | justdave: | and it just started playing it |
| [20:56:47] | justdave: | so I guess that was all for nothing. |
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| [20:57:43] | justdave: | I have problems with the display blanking out after a while on this machine, too. ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6381460 ) |
| [20:57:48] | justdave: | never did get that resolved. |
| [20:58:11] | justdave: | rumor has it the new minis in January are going to have Nvidia video cards instead of Intel |
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| [21:05:45] | justdave: | keeping a terminal window open with a sudo shell so I can type "pm-suspend" periodically then go hit the button on the back to wake it up again is getting old |
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| [21:27:44] | justdave: | funny thing is, it never did that when I had it hooked up an analog TV via the composite output. Trouble all started when I started using the native DVI to hook it up to an HDTV |
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| [22:02:43] | fatpelt_laptop: | afternoon all. i'm looking at motherboards for a server to store my videos. i don't think i need much in terms of video since this'll be stuck in the closet. Do motherboards with pci/pci-e on them support having a pci video adapter so that i can use the x16 for a storage adapter? |
| [22:04:14] | jamesd_: | fatpelt_laptop, i would recomend finding something that has at least 4x sata ports and accept at least 8GB of ram with 16GB being better... adding ram allows systems to run longer because they are faster... |
| [22:05:01] | fatpelt_laptop: | we've got the storage figured out already. i'm just not sure if motherboards support video off the pci bus anymore |
| [22:05:52] | fatpelt_laptop: | i'd bet they do, but i wanted to make sure so that i can drop the storage adapter in the single x16 slot |
| [22:06:12] | jamesd_: | fatpelt_laptop, find a motherboard with video on board, add nvidia specs to the specs if you ever think about running it as a front end... storage always grows beyond what you start with... better to pay $10 extra now and get more ports than you need. |
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| [22:07:35] | jamesd_: | especailly with mythtv. those 7GB per hour adds up... especially if you add a second tuner and go on vacation |
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| [22:19:59] | ** iamlindoro thinks about adding lyngsat parsing to mythtv-setup for DVB-S scans ** | |
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| [22:31:44] | Gokee2: | Hello all, I am getting a lot of messages that say "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized" when running mythfilldatabase |
| [22:32:13] | Gokee2: | After that line it does "Reusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80." and seems to work again for awhile |
| [22:32:37] | iamlindoro: | That's normal |
| [22:32:43] | Gokee2: | Seems to have filled all the channels though |
| [22:33:07] | Gokee2: | iamlindoro, Hmm why is it normal to keeb being denied? |
| [22:33:26] | iamlindoro: | Ask the MFDB maintainer. But it is. |
| [22:35:16] | Gokee2: | Hmm I see |
| [22:35:57] | kormoc: | Gokee2, it tries to connect without sending the user/password first, gets denied, then requests with the password |
| [22:36:52] | Gokee2: | kormoc, Hmm so why does it bother to keep trying without the password? Can I tell it to always use the password? |
| [22:37:33] | kormoc: | because not every service supports or requires a user/pass, so it attempts to do them first |
| [22:37:41] | kormoc: | and no, currently there is no way to always force a password |
| [22:37:45] | kormoc: | what's it hurting? |
| [22:37:58] | iamlindoro: | Gokee2, Are you concerned about the couple of K transfer and extra couple of seconds runtime? |
| [22:39:04] | Gokee2: | I guess it does not take that much time :/ |
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| [22:39:22] | Gokee2: | I will forget it :) |
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| [22:39:47] | justdave: | that's the same way a web browser works |
| [22:39:51] | justdave: | that's how HTTP auth works |
| [22:40:12] | justdave: | if someone hacked the site and is trying to get your password, you don't want to send them your password until you know it's really them you're connected to |
| [22:41:04] | Gokee2: | Hmm |
| [22:41:05] | justdave: | when you visit a website that needs authentication and your browser pops up the authentication dialog, that's because your browser got that 401 error the first time. |
| [22:41:16] | Gokee2: | I see |
| [22:41:37] | justdave: | even if you tell your browser to save the password, it'll still try once and get that error before giving you the password dialog with your password pre-filled in it |
| [22:42:42] | Gokee2: | Hmm ok |
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| [23:08:57] | iamlindoro: | I'm officially convinced that all satellite documentation is written by smelly big-gutted dudes in a dark smoke filled room |
| [23:09:24] | iamlindoro: | It's like the entire aiming and mounting process is based on feelings and happy thoughts |
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| [23:13:19] | jackson__: | iamlindoro, trouble getting good locks? |
| [23:13:55] | iamlindoro: | jackson__, I honestly don't know yet, I have a receiver coming for christmas, this is based on providing 12V to a signal meter |
| [23:14:04] | Saviq: | hi guys, is it a known bug that myth sometimes mixes the title from different shows? I've an 'Title1 : Title2' entry in my listings and no such thing is in the xmltv file |
| [23:14:45] | iamlindoro: | Which, as a relative means of aiming the thing is fine-- but I have both LNBs more or less as peaked as I can get them, but can only center the meter on both of them with the dial turned to 0–1 dB (on a scale from -6 to 6) |
| [23:15:13] | iamlindoro: | So it would be nice to know if metting the analog needle to 5–6 with 0–1 dB on the dial is adequate or not |
| [23:15:17] | iamlindoro: | er getting |
| [23:16:46] | jackson__: | yeah, I think that aiming a multi feedhorned dish can be a bit of a trial. |
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| [23:17:03] | nsx: | on this mythtv box I put together last night, when I bring up the program guide, remote control presses often get deferred, and the and if I press a key on the keyboard, it'll start dequeuing those old remote control requests it hadn't responded to, one for each key press, and when those are done, it'll then start dequeuing the old keyboard key presses |
| [23:17:07] | iamlindoro: | It'll be more helpful when I have a receiver hooked to the thing to actually watch for transponders |
| [23:17:17] | jackson__: | iamlindoro, with a certanty |
| [23:17:19] | nsx: | if I switch to a vc, then back to the X terminal, they all get dequeued immediately. I'm using native lirc support, not irxevent or anything... |
| [23:17:27] | iamlindoro: | Worst comes to worst I'll get the lady over to watch the screen and shout outside to me |
| [23:17:28] | nsx: | any idea what would be causing this? |
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| [23:20:01] | iamlindoro: | Have learned lots about it in the last week or so, though, so it'll be good to finally jot down some english-language DVB-S material for the wiki |
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| [23:21:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . -S&go=Go |
| [23:21:04] | iamlindoro: | Depressing |
| [23:22:37] | Kernel is now known as Wicked | |
| [23:25:05] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Delay in program guide is most often caused by slow DB queries and TV icon issues-- did you do the "add channel icons" bit in mythtv-setup? |
| [23:25:41] | nsx: | I might not have |
| [23:25:47] | iamlindoro: | that's actually okay |
| [23:25:51] | nsx: | I haven't slept since thursday night |
| [23:25:54] | iamlindoro: | (as adding them would slow it, not speed it) |
| [23:25:54] | clever: | iamlindoro: cant you bring a laptop to the roof to watch the tuner over wireless? |
| [23:25:58] | nsx: | I did run the database optimize script though |
| [23:26:08] | nsx: | well, no tv icons show up |
| [23:26:18] | iamlindoro: | nsx, as a follow up, does the EPG respond quickly to keyboard but slowly to remote? |
| [23:26:25] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Yeah, no icons is fine |
| [23:26:29] | nsx: | yes it does |
| [23:26:43] | nsx: | but a key press will cause it to respond to the old remote presses |
| [23:26:48] | nsx: | not the key press I just pressed on the keyboard |
| [23:26:49] | nsx: | it's weird. |
| [23:27:00] | clever: | bbl |
| [23:27:02] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Sounds a tiny bit like WM issues-- what WM are you using? |
| [23:27:07] | iamlindoro: | clever, No tuner just yet |
| [23:27:13] | iamlindoro: | clever, Just laying the ground work |
| [23:27:37] | nsx: | iamlindoro, currently I'm using ratpoison. I've also tried using blackbox, fluxbox, and no wm (just using xinit) |
| [23:27:47] | iamlindoro: | same problem in all? |
| [23:27:50] | nsx: | yep |
| [23:27:59] | iamlindoro: | ah, okay, well good job having at least tried that |
| [23:28:38] | iamlindoro: | nsx, and only slow in the EPG, right? responds normally elsewhere? |
| [23:28:49] | iamlindoro: | do you have a giganto amount of channels? |
| [23:29:55] | iamlindoro: | It's strange because it really does sound like some sort of focus/WM issue |
| [23:30:01] | nsx: | it does respond normally elsewhere, but sometimes pressing "menu" doesn't bring the menu up at all... sometimes clicking on the programming guide from the list menu brings up doesn't bring it up at all... until I switch to the vc, then back to the X console |
| [23:30:06] | nsx: | and no there aren't a huge number of channels |
| [23:30:10] | nsx: | about 70 or so |
| [23:30:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah, 70 should be pretty snappy |
| [23:30:25] | nsx: | yeah, I know, but I read that that shouldn't be an issue, if you're using native lirc support |
| [23:30:28] | nsx: | and not using irxevent |
| [23:30:46] | nsx: | so that's what's so confusing |
| [23:31:15] | iamlindoro: | sorta depends, you can still have queued up issues if you have another program that responds to the same keypresses with focus |
| [23:31:25] | iamlindoro: | but in TV playback that shouldn't be the case |
| [23:31:37] | iamlindoro: | hmmm |
| [23:31:39] | nsx: | but why would it stop mythtv from receiving the lirc events? |
| [23:32:04] | nsx: | http://nsx.rm-f.net/lircrc |
| [23:32:09] | nsx: | there's my lircrc if you want to take a look |
| [23:32:10] | nsx: | if it's relevant |
| [23:32:18] | iamlindoro: | nsx, because you don't *want* myth to accept keypresses when it passes focus to, say, mplayer |
| [23:32:29] | iamlindoro: | outherwise you might come back and find you're on some random menu |
| [23:32:35] | iamlindoro: | but anyway, not relevant to your issue |
| [23:33:22] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, nothing particularly wild about your lircrc |
| [23:33:23] | nsx: | if I press keys while mplayer is playing a video, nothing happens |
| [23:33:31] | nsx: | or rather, not the normal keys mplayer would respond to |
| [23:33:46] | iamlindoro: | nsx, What distro is this on? |
| [23:33:49] | nsx: | debian |
| [23:34:05] | nsx: | I don't even want a keyboard hooked up to this machine, I just happened to notice this symptom once I did hook one up |
| [23:34:15] | nsx: | I was already having problems with the program guide hanging |
| [23:35:03] | iamlindoro: | Strange stuff. I myself never use the EPG as I don't use live TV and schedule through mythweb so my troubleshooting here isn't perfect |
| [23:35:55] | nsx: | maybe that's what I should do |
| [23:36:09] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Try something for me-- open up a terminal and run "mythfrontend -v all" |
| [23:36:17] | iamlindoro: | and then go about watching TV and trying to navigate the EPG |
| [23:36:37] | iamlindoro: | and tell me if it's any better-- if it's not, give me a few hundred lines worth of the logged output in a pastebin |
| [23:37:09] | iamlindoro: | also, give me the revision number from your mythbackend --version |
| [23:37:32] | iamlindoro: | (not the 0.21-blah blah but the 19xxx or so) |
| [23:41:54] | nsx: | wasn't any better |
| [23:42:04] | nsx: | sec |
| [23:42:56] | nsx: | the output log is huge |
| [23:43:09] | iamlindoro: | Just give me a few hundred lines from when you were pressing buttons on the remote |
| [23:44:50] | nsx: | http://nsx.rm-f.net/mythfrontend.log |
| [23:44:51] | nsx: | http://pastebin.com/m400ccd8c |
| [23:45:15] | iamlindoro: | Oh yuck, I forgot debian breaks the revision number output |
| [23:45:17] | nsx: | let me see if I can further pinoint them |
| [23:45:57] | nsx: | I wonder if it logs any sql passwords in there or anything |
| [23:46:01] | nsx: | if it does, I don't really care though :-) |
| [23:46:22] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Naw |
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| [23:46:50] | nsx: | something is screwy, my load averages get really high when I bring up the programming guide also |
| [23:48:13] | nsx: | but the latter part of the log would be where and when this occurred |
| [23:48:33] | iamlindoro: | nsx, this is a total shot in the dark, but try this |
| [23:48:34] | nsx: | I did what you said, kept pressing escape until all keyboard and remote commands were finally dequeued, then quit mythtv |
| [23:48:39] | iamlindoro: | From the top menu in mythfrontend: |
| [23:48:53] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback |
| [23:49:01] | iamlindoro: | Go to the third page, which is playback profiles |
| [23:49:20] | iamlindoro: | Tell me which profile is currently being used. If anything besides "Slim," switch it to slim |
| [23:49:43] | iamlindoro: | Then try going back to playback and see if anything changed |
| [23:50:09] | iamlindoro: | There was a bug a few months ago related to deinterlacers and the EPG, but without the revision # I can't tell whether that should be fixed for you |
| [23:50:47] | iamlindoro: | Oh and one more thing |
| [23:51:05] | iamlindoro: | when you switch Playback profiles to slim, you need to keep clicking Next all the way to the end of those settings pages, then finish |
| [23:51:13] | iamlindoro: | If you esc out your changes won't take |
| [23:52:07] | nsx: | it was set to cpu+, and for now, it does seem to be behaving, but I actually was never able to reliably reproduce this anyway |
| [23:52:23] | nsx: | but thanks for the tip, I'll see how this works out |
| [23:53:21] | iamlindoro: | nsx, There was a bug 2–3 months back relating to the Bob deinterlacer being applied when in the EPG and similar slowness resulting |
| [23:53:45] | iamlindoro: | If you have a packaged revision older than that (and debian-multimedia is ALWAYS way behind) then that may be your issue |
| [23:54:08] | iamlindoro: | so by switching to another playback profile that doesn't use Bob, we may have effectively worked around it (or maybe not) |
| [23:54:31] | nsx: | yeah I'm using the debian-multimedia package |
| [23:54:56] | nsx: | let me ask you something.. why do you prefer using mythweb instead of the program guide? I've never used it |
| [23:54:59] | nsx: | I'm fairly new to mythtv |
| [23:55:09] | iamlindoro: | If it *is* a deint issue, it would be triggered on 480i and 1080i channels, but not on 720p ones, which might explain intermittency |
| [23:55:44] | iamlindoro: | nsx, If you haven't played with MythWeb you ought to-- it's just really really fast and (to me) a nicer way of looking at the upcoming recordings and easily searching for things to record |
| [23:57:26] | nsx: | does it use schedulesdirect.com as well? |
| [23:57:40] | iamlindoro: | nsx, Mythweb is just a web interface to your own myth backend |
| [23:57:57] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend handles all the pulling in of schedules, mythweb is just a different way of presenting the information |
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