Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 18th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

Wonder why qt-x11 went from ~17MB in 3.3.8 to ~110MB in 4.4.3...

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mzb_d800:

if I have (say) 100 episodes of a show, and during it's "recording lifetime" I've changed it's priority from 0 to -99, why does the auto-expire list show them out of order? (and why don't they ever get deleted?)

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mzb_d800:

ps: I use storage groups

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sphery:

mzb_d800: priority is specified on the recording rule and the rule priority specified at the time the episode is recorded is then given to the recording, but when you change rule priority, it only affects future recordings from that rule.

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sphery:

mzb_d800: I think (but haven't verified) you can change the recpriority of a specific recording through Recording Options in the INFO menu/Action popup in Watch Recordings, but if not, you can always, "UPDATE recorded SET recpriority = -99 WHERE title = 'The Title';"

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sphery:

standard, "don't edit the DB directly" disclaimers apply

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mzb_d800:

heh

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XLV:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3478 atom & nvidia 9400m 27% cpu utilization when playing a 18Mbps h264 file

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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sphery:

XLV: discrete graphics or the upcoming nvidia chipset for atom?

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XLV:

sphery, igp

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sphery:

cool... wonder how power usage for that chipset stacks up against the (extremely power hungre) intel chipset

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XLV:

nvidia claims about the same

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sphery:

too bad... Where Athlon + AMD chipset is lower power than Atom + Intel chipset, a much-lower-power-usage chipset for atom would have been a good thing

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GreyFoxx:

I so want one of those boards

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sphery:

wow... pico-ITX

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dustybin:

bloody heck, you could netboot that box

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XLV:

sphery, 780 and 790 are about the same in power consumption as nvidia 9xxxx and intel 4500hd.. the numbers of power usage produced in the athlon 2000+ low power cpu version has cause cpu was too slow to stress the igp.. when used with higher performace cpus, they are about the same in power consumption..

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GreyFoxx:

I'm drooling a little

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dustybin:

are there any catches with that box? the price maybe?

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sphery:

yeah, I was talking about the low-powered old athlon designs in new-small-processes that AMD has as a current answer to atom

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sphery:

dustybin: the release dateL?

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mzb_d800:

sphery: all of the said shows have the same recpriority (-99)

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sphery:

1H09 (though they're guessing 1Q09)

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mzb_d800:

mysql mythconverg -e "SELECT title,recpriority FROM recorded WHERE title = 'Play School';" | uniq

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mzb_d800:

title recpriority

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mzb_d800:

Play School -99

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sphery:

mzb_d800: what do you have set for "Auto Expire Method" (wow... irssi did /not/ like that paste...)

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mzb_d800:

err

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sphery:

I was meaning my paste, not yours (my whole screen went "messed up terminal" right when I hit paste)

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sphery:

oh, and you can use DISTINCT (no parens) to do that all in mysql: SELECT DISTINCT title, recpriority FROM ...

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sphery:

anyway, "Auto Expire Method" is in frontend settings under TV Settings|General . Note that there are also other autoexpire settings specifying weights that may be affecting auto-expire order.

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mzb_d800:

weighted time/priority, watched before unwatched, priority weight = 20, extra disk space = 20 (5 disks split into 5 storage groups), auto expire instead of delete

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sphery:

and when you say the order is wrong, you mean it has some recent recordings before old recordings?

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mzb_d800:

looking at the autoexpire list episodes from September are at the top of the list, rather than episodes from ones from July (or earlier)

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mzb_d800:

I don't understand how that can be if they all have the same recpriority

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sphery:

does it seem that episodes from a specific disk are coming before episodes from another (likely less full) disk?

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mzb_d800:

hard to say ... so many recordings, so many disks

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hednod:

so many commercials

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mzb_d800:

Play School is on a commercial-free station ;)

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sphery:

yeah... I'd guess, though, it's that. I think I remember a thread where someone complained that the order shown is not the order they actually expire in (because it doesn't expire until space is needed)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... that would explain it

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sphery:

though that wouldn't explain why it's not showing them in order...

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mzb_d800:

perhaps

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sphery:

unless it's actually expiring some right now?

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mzb_d800:

except that I've moved from a rag-tag bunch of storage dirs, to a single "Default" that includes all 5 discs

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sphery:

I don't know. I have to admit my solution to making sure only the right shows (=nothing) expires is a combination of buy-more-disks and watch-and-delete-as-fast-as-possible

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sphery:

mzb_d800: yeah, the storage group itself isn't important--only which disk is full

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panfist:

where can i go to get some help installing drivers for my tuner card...i've been at it literally all day and i can get "cat /dev/video0" to work but it's static on all channels

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mzb_d800:

... working toward cleaning this issue up before a 500GB (to add to 2x500GB in raid5) and a 1TB drive arrive ;)

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sphery:

panfist: PVR-x50?

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panfist:

sphery hvr-1600

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mzb_d800:

every time I get a storage-group full issue, nothing auto-expires and the backend locks ("funky usleep" in the logs)

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sphery:

Hmmm... I was going to say for the PVR-x50, it's likely something in your testing procedure that's causing the issue, so move on and install Myth and it will probably "just work", but that probably doesn't apply for the (new/less-well-supported) HVR-1600...

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mzb_d800:

so I've got into the habit of moving things around manually to even them up

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sphery:

mzb_d800: you do have autoexpire enabled on those recordings, right?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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stoneymonster:

ok, I'm stuck. I have the correct profiles set up, I do mythbackend -v record and I see that myth is picking the right profile, the right bitrate (9000kbps), and still all my recordings are at 4800kpbs or below. v4l2-ctl -l says its min 9000kbps too. Is the driver confused?

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stoneymonster:

hdpvr, latest trunk, latest janne driver

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mzb_d800:

and as I say, they're on the top of the autoexpire list, but totally wrong order, and never actually delete

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panfist:

sphery i was following this howto: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600, which worked alright until i got into mythtv and it said to configure it as an mpeg2 decoder, which it let me do but then i couldn't view live tv. i rebooted and suddenly when i try to configure an mpeg2 capture card it said that it failed to prove info. it did detect dvb and v4l captures. i dont need the dvb capture. i'm not sure the dif

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sphery:

mzb_d800: right permissions? (You said you changed SG config recently, perhaps they--files/directories--were set up with the wrong owner/group or permissions?)

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mzb_d800:

I've done "find -ls | grep -v mythtv" over the recordings dirs without result

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sphery:

panfist: I don't know anything about the HVR's... I've only used the PVR-x50's. So, I won't be much help.

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panfist:

is there a way i can clean out drivers and start over?

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sphery:

panfist: in Myth you can clean out capture cards with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

outside of Myth, I can't help (sorry)

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panfist:

thanks sphery

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CaptObviousman:

whoa, my backend went apeshit last night

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** CaptObviousman has 11k lines of the same 6 messages over and over again **

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: about a week ago, a friend's myth backend was running (the same instance of) mythcommflag for 7 days straight writing out a message about corruption in a stream about 3–12 times per second until it filled up the 3.5GB he had available on his root partition. :)

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meshe:

lol

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mzb_d800:

sphery: some info about my "Play School" recordings: http://openpaste.org/en/9852/

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mzb_d800:

(my problem with commflagging is next on the list;)

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mzb_d800:

in that: recordings that are _not_ set to commflag get commflagged anyway .... and then it's *all* of them at once, at the cost of other jobs which are supposed to be running .... but that's another matter

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mzb_d800:

I can delete/stop/kill those commflag jobs as fast as they start, but the BE still won't run the (transcode) job I've given it (which is higher in the job list)

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mzb_d800:

anyway ... one at a time

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sphery:

mzb_d800: "recordings that are not set to commflag" because they're on commfree channels?

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mzb_d800:

no ... because I've been systematically disabling commflag to diagnose this issue

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mzb_d800:

get's a little annoying if I restart one of the BE's and it decides to commflag ALL the recordings

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mzb_d800:

(well ... seems like all)

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sphery:

I was meaning there was a bug in mythweb for a while such that if you set a channel to commfree, it wasn't really set to commfree and it would do strange things ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5195 ). Looking at it more closely, though, it seems kormoc only applied the patch to trunk, so it's still a bug in 0.21-fixes.

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mzb_d800:

(I've had to wrap mythcommflag as a result)

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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sphery:

So, if you set channels to commfree through MythWeb, go back in and set them to commfree using mythtv-setup's (or mythfrontend's) channel editor

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mzb_d800:

no ... haven't been using commfree channels

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mzb_d800:

this is a "per recording" setting

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mzb_d800:

ok, back to auto-expire ... I've got the right perms (I think), the recordings are spread over (most) of the storage dirs ... what next?

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clever:

mythbackend -v file,jobqueue

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mzb_d800:

which spews a *lot* of info

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mzb_d800:

(and constantly)

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sphery:

you said you made a wrapper script for mythcommflag, did you edit the mythcommflag command in settings ("Commercial Flagger command") at all (that can cause strange things to happen if you don't know what you're doing)

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mzb_d800:

no I moved the original to mythcommflag.real

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clever:

sounds like ubuntu:P

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mzb_d800:

and then in mythcommflag I've got:

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sphery:

mzb_d800: I'm out of ideas on the auto-expire thing (since I just make sure that I have enough room that things won't autoexpire)

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mzb_d800:

nice -n12 ionice -c2 -n7 mythcommflag.real $*

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clever:

mythcommflag can renice itself, but not ionice

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clever:

and does ionice work 'properly' when setuid root?

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I've been trying that, but with so many storage dirs keeping it tidy is constant work

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mzb_d800:

(hence purchase of 500GB and 1TB drives)

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clever:

i usualy try to keep things from expiring, but i cant delete much atm

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clever:

only 1.5 hours remaining

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mzb_d800:

gee

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mzb_d800:

my box would've ground to a halt before showing that little space ;)

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clever:

i forgot to turn half my slaves back on too

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mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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** mzb_d800 wonders if the ones at the top of the expire list actually exist **

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mzb_d800:

nope ... all found

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mzb_d800:

(and non-zero size)

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iamlindoro:

Neat, looks like the out-of-order frame issue will be fixed in next VDPAU patches/driver

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mzb_d800:

lol ... found it!

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mzb_d800:

those 4 shows (the ones at the top) are "watched"

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mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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GreyFoxx:

At the rate VDPAU playback is going and with the upcoming nvidia based atom boards... looks like it will be time for a whole house upgrade :)

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GreyFoxx:

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mzb_d800:

we'll see if they delete soon, I guess ... hopefully the drives will arrive before everything expires ;)

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Lexridge:

Is it necessary to have ANY mysql installed (even just libs perhaps) for a frontend only machine?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Sources I read say June for the Atom+Nvidia boards, have you seen different?

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, Client libs must be installed

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GreyFoxx:

ugh, I didn't realize it was so far away

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dustybin:

i wonder how much those nvidia based atom boards will go for

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: okay, thanks!

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: will you netboot them

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iamlindoro:

atom boards are cheap, so cheap + $50 or so

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GreyFoxx:

still it's only 6 months if they don't get pushed out

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dustybin:

jeeeze

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: certainly

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, you are welcome

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dustybin:

the only costly thing left with a HD setup is storage + backup

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iamlindoro:

It's just TV, backup isn't strictly necessary

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iamlindoro:

do RAID 6 if you're that worried, and skip the backup

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dustybin:

tv recordings i agree, films rips need to be backed up

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CaptObviousman:

ok, so looking through this log

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iamlindoro:

Why? They are. You have the original disk.

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CaptObviousman:

last night immediately after recording a 30 minute show, it started commflagging it

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CaptObviousman:

I think I was still watching the tail end of it at that time

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: because ripping takes time! it would take _ages_ for me to re-rip all my dvds

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** dustybin looks at the original disks **

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CaptObviousman:

then, 20 minutes later it starts this loop out of nowhere: http://pastebin.linode.com/

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CaptObviousman:

err, oops

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, So you'd rather buy a few thousand bucks/pounds/lira/bottlecaps worth of tape drive?

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dustybin:

dunno man

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CaptObviousman:

http://pastebin.linode.com/1860

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: and these are just normal .isos, imagine i ripped 500 blu-ray discs

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, No worries, you can't afford 500 blu ray disks

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dustybin:

25–30g per movie

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dustybin:

13.5TB

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dustybin:

and then that will need to be backed up

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CaptObviousman:

think of the cost of 500 blu-ray discs

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CaptObviousman:

dustybin: well, no

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, You're speaking to one of the only (the only?) people *with* that much mythvideo space

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iamlindoro:

and I have RAID 6 and original disks and that's just fine with me

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CaptObviousman:

because technically the discs are original and the HD version is backup

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dustybin:

good point

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CaptObviousman:

this is a topic very near and dear to my heart, because I agonized over this same thing

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dustybin:

your original disks are the backup

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iamlindoro:

I'm not buying a LTO IV tape drive and $900 worth of tape for movies taht already exist on their disks

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CaptObviousman:

and concluded that there's nothing you can do short of building TWO raid5/6 arrays and mirroring them, then also keeping a bunch of spare disks around in case

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** dustybin looks again at original disks **

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CaptObviousman:

but we would all rightly agree that that's excessive

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CaptObviousman:

because really, if your raid array goes down and you lose everything, you've STILL got the movies

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CaptObviousman:

just go to the basement and retrieve them

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dustybin:

even so, it would still take a dam lot of effort to manually re-rip 500 blu-ray discs if you lost all your data

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, You don't own a) a blu ray drive, or b) 1 single disk let alone 500, or c) a job

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dustybin:

it takes my pentum 3.2 about 3–4 hours to rip 1 movie

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dustybin:

and thats dvd!!

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iamlindoro:

so I think it'll be a fair stretch of time before you need to to worry too much about it

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GreyFoxx:

and think about it, by the time you aquire and rip 500 disk, even at buying 2 a month you are talking years away from having to worry about 500

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dustybin:

:

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dustybin:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

by then who knows the state of drives and disk readers

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iamlindoro:

You can start worrying about Blu-ray when I'm watching Ultra-hi-vision on my fellate-o-tron

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dustybin:

LOL

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GreyFoxx:

as long as you sufficiently swap out and protect the hd storage you do not need a "backup"

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CaptObviousman:

fellate-o-tron huh

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dustybin:

linux software RAID with 10+ onboard SATA ports is the way to go

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iamlindoro:

indeedly doo

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CaptObviousman:

if you're that worried, keep a hot spare running

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** CaptObviousman has a 4-unit 1.5TB array currently, and will probably pop another drive in here soon **

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you are the worlds foremost expert on the way to go about things that you have never done

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CaptObviousman:

I built it on the cheap, but it's Christmas time, which means improvements!

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iamlindoro:

Don't I know it, I spent obscenely at home Depot today

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iamlindoro:

improvement time

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** CaptObviousman does the "buuuhhhh" sound from the television show **

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wagnerrp:

they make boards with 10+ onboard ports?

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dustybin:

i bought a new Turtle Beach USB soundcard to free a PCI slot for another Nova-T 500, 2 people watching live TV and recordings, 4 tuners is a must

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Mine has 10

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CaptObviousman:

mine has 6, and I might get a sata II card to expand it

[01:31:18]

CaptObviousman:

only problem there is I don't have the space to mount them

[01:31:33]

CaptObviousman:

but if it gets to that, I'll get creative

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dustybin:

if the onboard SATA port is built into the motherboard, that means excellent bandwidth?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how its built into the mobo

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wagnerrp:

if its directly on the NB, sure

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dustybin:

whats a NB?

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wagnerrp:

if its slaved through the PCI bus (like on older boards), it will run like ass

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wagnerrp:

north bridge

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dustybin:

oh ok

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CaptObviousman:

you know, ass doesn't even run by itself

[01:32:40]

CaptObviousman:

it generally has to be attached to a moving torso

[01:32:50]

wagnerrp:

or be... an ass

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dustybin:

NB onboard SATA ports FTW

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CaptObviousman:

I have no idea if mine are NB or not (I suspect so)

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iamlindoro:

oh lord, the original dustybin is back

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iamlindoro:

$thingI'veNeverOwned FTW

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iamlindoro:

$ThingI'VENeverSetUp FTW

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iamlindoro:

$ThingICan'tAfford FTW

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wagnerrp:

youve done it now...

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iamlindoro:

He's climbing a clocktower as we speak

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wagnerrp:

well they do have big ben over there

[01:35:07]

CaptObviousman:

what a horrid domain name

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wagnerrp:

may as well go out in style

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CaptObviousman:

hard to get a gun over there

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wagnerrp:

madman on the top of big ben with a... is that... a bow?

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CaptObviousman:

damnit. I actually laughed in real life, but I can't put "lol" because every dumb schmuck does that

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CaptObviousman:

what's an internet elitist to do

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wagnerrp:

cbm... cackling by myself

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wagnerrp:

seems theres in fact 5 intel boards on newegg with 10 ports

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wagnerrp:

and one opteron board with 12

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sphery:

Instead of getting an 8hr Kerberos ticket to work on my Myth dev box today, I got a standard 2-hr ticket since I had to do some other non-Myth/non-computer stuff today. Now, my tickets have been expired for 8hr and I haven't done the other stuff (which I can only do during the daytime--need daylight).

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: dont you have that 4x-gbe asus board? i remember that getting mentioned in here a few months back

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fuxxy:

I assume I need to upgrade mythtv to 0.22 in order to use VDPAU – is that correct?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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fuxxy:

oh, boo.

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wagnerrp:

you *could* use mplayer and mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Gigabyte, but yeah, 4x NICs

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CaptObviousman:

good god

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wagnerrp:

but you would have to define custom players for each format type

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CaptObviousman:

what on earth do you do with 4 nics

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iamlindoro:

A whole lot of not much right now, I bought it for the SATA

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wagnerrp:

a normal person would ask what you would do with 10sata ports

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CaptObviousman:

wut? oh heck no, I already know what to do with that

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CaptObviousman:

did you fill all 10?

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wagnerrp:

but one could not call us normal

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... I eyeballed that board, but didn't take the plunge yet... ;-) My board has 6 sata right now... and 2 more on a PCIe card.

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kormoc:

CaptObviousman, hook up to a switch that supports bonded connections?

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fuxxy:

I'm attempting to watch 1080 HD content from my QAM tuner, and even my laptop is stuttering C2D T8500, 2x8600M GT's, 3GB ram.

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CaptObviousman:

I had a thought

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats a bit of a tossup

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CaptObviousman:

that if I was going to go hog wild and do raid6, I better do it now before I start ripping my DVDs

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I guess I'm not normal, I'm using 8... and wish I had 10... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

we bought a 48-port netgear switch to be our master at work, supposedly it supported 802.3q (or whatever bonding is)

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fuxxy:

CaptObviousman, unless you like hunting for places to store your ripped DVDs during the transistion.

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CaptObviousman:

I don't suppose you can convert raid5 to raid6 can you

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wagnerrp:

fine print was it really only supports bonding with other netgear switches

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** CaptObviousman thinks not **

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CaptObviousman:

I know you can add-a-drive to a raid5, but can you do the same for raid6?

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wagnerrp:

CaptObviousman: i did just that a couple months ago

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, which is why you should buy procurve equipment :)

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jamesd_:

wagnerrp, becareful it won't be long before new servers can over fill the backplane.. or need 10gigE.

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kormoc:

CaptObviousman, I believe you can grow raid5 or 6 but can't migrate between the two yet

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: cant argue with that, as far as im concerned, everything there is done excessively cheap

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wagnerrp:

well most hardware implementations can, i know nothing of the capabilities of LVM

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** CaptObviousman debates the merits of raid5+hs vs raid6 **

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iamlindoro:

Split the difference, do RAID 6 with a hot spare

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I've had amazing luck with procurves and 802.3ad, did a 12 port to 12 port bonding test, handled the load beautifully

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CaptObviousman:

bah

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CaptObviousman:

you're talking about 3 drives gone to redundancy

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wagnerrp:

if you have a processor capable of managing it, RAID6 >>> RAID5+HS

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, linux software raid (md) != lvm

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CaptObviousman:

the proc in there is a C2D

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** J-e-f-f-A will stick with storage groups after his software raid5 experience... **

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CaptObviousman:

so it'll handle it just fine

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats 12 ports on a switch to a single machine?

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wagnerrp:

or to another switch

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** CaptObviousman starts pricing out 4 more drives + addon card **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, two boxes, each had 12 gigabit ports, one switch between them with 24 ports

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CaptObviousman:

see, I don't know tha tI need it

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CaptObviousman:

I have maybe 300 DVDs?

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wagnerrp:

12 each? do the make cards with more than 4 ports?

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CaptObviousman:

ripped, they're around 1.5GB apiece

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CaptObviousman:

more maybe, 2GB

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, tested between the boxes with procurve and without, no (measurable) speed difference

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, 2 onboard, 1 card with 2x ports, 2 cards with 4x ports, in a 1u server :)

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kormoc:

when you use for cardid in `seq 0 11`; do, you know you way too many cards...

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wagnerrp:

of course the same admin that keeps buying netgear swears by realtek cards

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** kormoc shudders **

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CaptObviousman:

when you use cardid in `seq 0 11`; do, you know you are a total badass

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, all these were intel pros, very nice

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wesw02:

I'm using mythvideo and looking for a way to cronjob the process of scanning for newly added videos. I don't want it to get imdb info or remove videos which are not present on the file system. Is there a script or util to do that?

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wesw02:

or should I get coding?

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fuxxy:

So what can I do to speed up video rendering on this C2D T8500, with 2x8600M GT's ?

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fuxxy:

stupid me tried to enable xvmc, I forgot they only work up to 7xxx series cards.

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iamlindoro:

wesw02, Get coding (but if you're using anything but trunk, don't even do that)

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fuxxy:

enabling SLI would be pointless, wouldnt it? video cards aren't doing decoding at all already.

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jamesd_:

that is the nvidia video cards.. install the latest closed source drivers, and tell mythtv to use a less drastic cpu mode.. and it should be fine

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, Stand by and wait for .22 and happily use VDPAU?

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iamlindoro:

8xxx lost Xvmc and gain VDPAU. 8xxx = WIN!

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fuxxy:

heh.

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wesw02:

iamlindoro, I'm not running the trunk on my production machine, the latest snapshot available in my distros package manager (portage), is the db scheme still the same?

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fuxxy:

I'm wary about upgrading to 0.22, the backend crashes a lot already :)

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wesw02:

I'm a QT developer should I should be able to pick through the code with little to no issues

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** wesw02 hopes **

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, That's why I suggest waiting until someone packages it up nice for you

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Lexridge:

Since the release of v.22 is yet to be probably even close, it seems it would be beneficial to backport VDPAU to a v.21 source fork, if even possible.

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iamlindoro:

wesw02, DB schema is entirely different in trunk

[02:08:22]

iamlindoro:

wesw02, and there's no going back

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fuxxy:

Lexridge, that would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath for that, either.

[02:08:43]

iamlindoro:

wesw02, But, as MythVideo is all-but-rewritten in trunk too, it'd be pointless to patch the released version

[02:09:03]

iamlindoro:

VDPAU is *not* getting backported

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wesw02:

yea, perhaps I can just use mythvideo objects in my code, so that when it does update, I won't have to change anything?

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fuxxy:

0.22 REQUIRES QT4 also, correct?

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iamlindoro:

yes, requires QT4

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Lexridge:

sure does

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CaptObviousman:

xvmc doesn't work past 7xxx? I suppose they replaced it with vpdau then

[02:09:48]

CaptObviousman:

hence all the hubbub

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fuxxy:

I'm just wondering how much of a nightmare it's gonna be to upgrade on my gentoo box. :)

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wesw02:

slotting :)

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman, Well, it just sort of turned out that way-- for a few years here it's just been 8xxx do nothing

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** CaptObviousman reads scrollback buffer and sees he was preempted **

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iamlindoro:

but Xvmc sucks anyway, sooooo

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Lexridge:

fuzzy: hell, I'm so afraid of upgrading, I'm still on FC6!

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fuxxy:

and yeah, sad thing is I can't upgrade the frontends to run 0.22 with a 0.21 backend and db schema

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iamlindoro:

wesw02, You'd be reinventing the wheel. There's a fairly high liklihoo that by the time .22 sees the light of day all of that will be done automatically anyway

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CaptObviousman:

every iddy widdle bit helps

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CaptObviousman:

especially when running lots of stuff at once

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: I'm at least on FC8 on my backend, and FC9 on my frontends... ;-)

[02:11:34]

Lexridge:

I'd love to upgrade to Fedora 10, but just not yet comfortable enough with KDE4 to do that yet.

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wesw02:

iamlindoro, cool, I assume your a developer?

[02:11:42]

Lexridge:

My backend is running Fedora 8

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iamlindoro:

wesw02, No, but I keep my finger on things and contribute what/when I can

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, just likes to delete semicolons.

[02:12:15]

** iamlindoro looks upwards to see if he used even a single semicolon **

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wesw02:

iamlindoro, I'd like to contribute some, but I'm a full time student with a full time job :(

[02:12:55]

iamlindoro:

ah, the "I'd like to contribute some, but..."

[02:13:06]

wesw02:

of course :)

[02:13:10]

iamlindoro:

I personally sit around all day watching porno and contributing to myth.

[02:13:18]

iamlindoro:

Nope, no job or mortgage here

[02:13:18]

wesw02:

i wish I could fund that

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wesw02:

maybe I'll prove you wrong and go submit a bug fix right now

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CaptObviousman:

that must be nice

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wesw02:

;)

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iamlindoro:

oh wait, I *do* have a job and mortgage and still manage to contribute ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh... that's what ja nn eg was thinking when his IRC client kept beeping

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iamlindoro:

sphery, ;)

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iamlindoro:

I personally just anduin keep a anduin certain svn allergic anduin developer's anduin anduin system beeping anduin

[02:16:02]

** iamlindoro braces for a yelling **

[02:16:27]

iamlindoro:

Note to potential contributors, here's how not to get people to commit your patches

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** CaptObviousman takes detailed notes **

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iamlindoro:

I my defense I'm badgering exactly once a day

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wagnerrp:

fuzzy: im pretty sure youve said that exact same thing before

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, wha?

[02:20:33]

wagnerrp:

<fuxxy> iamlindoro, just likes to delete semicolons.

[02:20:54]

wagnerrp:

either that or im having some deja-vu

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sphery:

last little push from the offense, there

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I saw that ;)

[02:21:27]

iamlindoro:

Was about to send the women and children to the bunkers

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sphery:

lol

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fuxxy:

oh, I was attemtping to poke fun as a response to "someone" (I can't find the name) asking if iamlindoro was a developer.

[02:22:56]

iamlindoro:

Woe unto us all if I were

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Wait ... he used a semicolon ^^ see ??? ;-)

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** CaptObviousman tries to white it out **

[02:23:17]

CaptObviousman:

damnit, it moved!

[02:23:32]

** iamlindoro believes his current fave patch will be quite popular, hmph **

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wagnerrp:

google is turning up nothing, deja-vu i guess

[02:23:55]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, just as long as it's included in 0.22 :)

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, should be, but we may be speaking of different things

[02:24:54]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, probbly.

[02:24:57]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5920#comment:10

[02:24:59]

iamlindoro:

Doink

[02:25:09]

iamlindoro:

Read that comment, gives a good idea of what it does ATM

[02:25:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: if ever there was proof that running trunk is not right for everyone, there's the whole DB conversion has been failing (possibly silently) for 8 months for users who misconfigured their 0.21-fixes issue. And, those patient folk who still run 0.21-fixes will get the benefit of the updated conversion that fixes corruption caused by user misconfiguration.

[02:25:35]

iamlindoro:

For all your authentic "Home Theatre" needs

[02:26:01]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I can't get over how much of the -users traffic is broken DBs right now

[02:26:15]

sphery:

yeah, but 90% of those messages are from me. :)

[02:26:25]

sphery:

(at least today's have been)

[02:26:39]

** CaptObviousman wonders if now is the operative time to ask about $STRANGE_ERROR_IN_BACKEND_LOG **

[02:26:40]

iamlindoro:

Heh, I ain't sayin' nothin'

[02:27:09]

CaptObviousman:

so the backend is running, but apparently not accepting communication from the frontend

[02:27:18]

wagnerrp:

are you getting $STRANGE_ERROR_IN_BEHAVIOR?

[02:28:06]

wagnerrp:

more specifically, if something doesnt seem to be going wrong, less heartache just to not worry about something in the logs

[02:28:15]

CaptObviousman:

well, if the backend being completely unrespnsive, then yes

[02:28:30]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, it looks nice, but I don't quite understand how you will tell the db that "this certain file" is a trailer, unless you rename the file somehow (which you suggested not to rename the extension)

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** CaptObviousman left out a verb there **

[02:28:39]

wagnerrp:

well then thats just an error in general, nothing to do with the logs

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: new frontend config (i.e. never connected to the backend before)?

[02:28:42]

iamlindoro:

fuxxy, They're seperate directories

[02:28:45]

CaptObviousman:

http://pastebin.linode.com/1860

[02:28:50]

CaptObviousman:

sphery: no. I was recording yesterday

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, ahh, so any video file dropped in the ./trailer directory is interpreted as a trailer.

[02:29:09]

sphery:

recording is a backend thing... You mean you were in the frontend and /saw/ recordings :)

[02:29:12]

CaptObviousman:

I recorded a show, finished, it commflagged it, and then 20 minutes later that error starts spewing into my logs

[02:29:27]

iamlindoro:

fuxxy, There's a trailers dir and a movies dir. You edit the metadata on a movie and assign it a trailer. You then ahve the option to play the movie's trailer, play the movie, or play the movie with a (user defined) # of trailers before it

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CaptObviousman:

and it was spewing all night and all day long while I was at work, until I came home and tried to watch live TV, then it mysteriously disappeared

[02:29:43]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: looks like a broken config.xml and/or broken (deprecated) mysql.txt

[02:29:47]

CaptObviousman:

and my Be is dead

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iamlindoro:

Only thing left is to charge admission

[02:30:13]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: oh, then the backend crashed, so no the frontend can't connect

[02:30:19]

sphery:

s/no/now/

[02:30:27]

sphery:

just restart the backend and the frontend

[02:30:43]

CaptObviousman:

so this is $RANDOM_CRASH then?

[02:30:44]

sphery:

backend probably crashed because of a bad recording (=invalid data in stream)

[02:30:45]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, okay, now I think I get it. It will play N trailers (selected at random?) before playing the feature movie that is selected?

[02:30:55]

sphery:

yeah, basically

[02:31:14]

iamlindoro:

fuxxy, That's half of it. The other is that you can assign each film its own trailer so you can watch just the trailer for a movie to see if you're interested.

[02:31:24]

iamlindoro:

and yes, selected at random from the trailers dir

[02:31:40]

fuxxy:

Oh, that IS nice.

[02:31:47]

CaptObviousman:

ok, thanks

[02:31:49]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: if it's repeatable/recurring, you'll want to get a backtrace as described at http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 . Note that both Ubuntu and Fedora/Red-Hat-stuff make debug packages available, so you don't have to compile yourself.

[02:31:52]

** CaptObviousman stops worrying about it **

[02:31:53]

wagnerrp:

because you may have so many movies, that you have no idea what a movie in your collection is about

[02:32:02]

iamlindoro:

Where there is currently "Play Video", there is afterwards "Play Video," "Play with Trailers," and "Play Trailer"

[02:32:05]

CaptObviousman:

well this is on 21-fixes actually

[02:32:07]

fuxxy:

wagnerrp, isn't that the truth.

[02:32:17]

CaptObviousman:

I was thinking I'd bump to 22 and see if it appeared there too

[02:32:19]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: yeah, they have debug packages for 0.21-fixes.

[02:32:20]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, A fair number of us aren't the only ones to use our systems :)

[02:32:23]

fuxxy:

"Home Theatre mode"

[02:32:43]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: chances are you'll have far more (but completely unrelated) crashes on trunk

[02:32:59]

** CaptObviousman will stay off for now **

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iamlindoro:

The random trailers before films is *nice*, I've been using it when sitting down with friends to watch a movie-- and I may or may not be keeping all the newest trailers in there so it's just like the theatres

[02:33:00]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: no, im serious, i have a pair of friends who would both fall under that category

[02:33:08]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: on -fixes, a backend crash is a fluke, on trunk it's expected

[02:33:14]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heh

[02:33:47]

wagnerrp:

last i heard, they were both nearing 700

[02:33:57]

wagnerrp:

and since then, they have both become gainfully employeed

[02:34:24]

sphery:

iamlindoro: are the random trailers "random trailers marked for /this/ movie" or can it do random trailers from the entire collection of trailers?'

[02:34:32]

fuxxy:

Some of my frontends are widescreen 1080, and when I attempt to play a 4:3 movie, the player stretches the video to fit the screen. How can I stop this from happening (playing both widescreen and SD videos in their respective aspect ratio)

[02:34:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ooh, cool. You got the 'enable x random trailers' feature implemented... ;-) (I didn't follow it...) ;-)

[02:34:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery, They're random from the entire colelction

[02:34:45]

sphery:

cool

[02:35:00]

sphery:

IMHO, the best part of seeing a movie at the theater is the previews before it.

[02:35:07]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, I expect some logic to not pick the trailer for the same movie you are about to watch :)

[02:35:08]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, yep

[02:35:16]

** J-e-f-f-A shows up after the previews... ;-) **

[02:35:18]

fuxxy:

unless explicity selected.

[02:35:43]

iamlindoro:

fuxxy, I expect you to git on up off your ass and write your own patch if you don't like it;)

[02:35:58]

sphery:

iamlindoro: now I just have to get you to get the apple trailers support (possibly using the HTML widget so I can select /any/ trailer on the site) in MythTube and/or MythVideo

[02:36:11]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, Apple Trailers RSS feed that will download and keep N trailers on disk (overwriting oldest, of course)

[02:36:25]

sphery:

I think the "and keep" is a violation, though

[02:36:35]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I refuse to look at the HTML widget until Qt 4.5 is a requiremnet

[02:36:51]

iamlindoro:

and, for that matter, I'm getting a little tired of fixing MythTube

[02:36:52]

fuxxy:

that way you don't have stale trailers on disk.

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CaptObviousman:

god that is so weird

[02:37:00]

sphery:

or at least supported (as who cares about the people who choose to use Qt 4.3)

[02:37:01]

CaptObviousman:

it successfully recorded everything as I away

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I need alvaro to make his code make sense or I'm going to lose interest

[02:37:52]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: so, perhaps that means that it's /you/ and not your system/configuration/Myth that's the problem. :)

[02:38:48]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you just have to keep interested until it's committed to upstream... Then, it will (grudgingly) get the necessary attention from devs and/or users.

[02:39:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I am going to let him fix these segfaults, however, as getting to the bottom of it requires some idea of what in the world he was thinking

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fuxxy:

grrr, this 4:3 video keeps scaling to fit my widescreen display

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sphery:

fuxxy: in Myth?

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fuxxy:

I wish I could just disable scaling, and let the TV handle it.

[02:44:06]

fuxxy:

sphery, yes.

[02:44:27]

fuxxy:

It displays properly in the preview screen

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sphery:

you mean it's getting pillarboxed by Myth, so it doesn't fill the screen on your widescreen tv?

[02:44:48]

sphery:

or it's getting stretched to fill the widescreen tv screen?

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fuxxy:

sphery, no, it's being streched to fit the screen, and the aspect is all screwy

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fuxxy:

fat heads, etc.

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm', scroll down, and change the setting

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I did. Doesn't appear to do anything.

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sphery:

do you have X configured with a proper DisplaySize (i.e. with a 16:9--assuming a 16:9 TV--aspect ratio)?

[02:45:48]

sphery:

are you using Xinerama (or /any/ Xinerama relative, including TwinView)?

[02:46:21]

fuxxy:

sphery, no, single LCD on my laptop.

[02:46:59]

sphery:

may still be xinerama--i.e. the VGA output or TV out or whatever your laptop has--may be enabled in X.

[02:47:36]

fuxxy:

sphery, and I can't tell about the X configuration, it's an ubuntu machine, However all the resolutions appear correctly in myth TV settings.

[02:48:03]

sphery:

If you go into frontend settings under Appearance on the page "Screen Settings", do you see a setting "Monitor Aspect Ratio"

[02:48:31]

fuxxy:

Nope.

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sphery:

If so, make sure it's set to 16:9. If you don't see it, don't worry (it means you don't have Xinerama enabled :)

[02:49:31]

sphery:

OK, what's the output of: xdpyinfo | grep -B 3 resolution

[02:50:26]

fuxxy:

dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (365x228 millimeters)

[02:50:26]

fuxxy:

resolution: 117x117 dots per inch

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sphery:

that's 16:10 with square pixels, so it should work... Meaning that I think the 4:3 video has a flag that says it's not 4:3 (i.e. 1:1 or 16:9 or 16:10 or ...)

[02:52:55]

fuxxy:

I'm not sure if that flag is applied to recordings off the PVR150 ?

[02:53:00]

fuxxy:

mabye so, I'm not sure.

[02:53:11]

sphery:

so it's a recording from the 150?

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fuxxy:

sphery, so far, I havent tried recordings from the digita.

[02:53:27]

sphery:

It does accept/write a widescreen flag if configured to...

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fuxxy:

digital, rather.

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sphery:

OK, then if others aren't known to display properly (I assumed they did), I'd guess you have an override configured

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fuxxy:

sphery, I've never messed with flags, I don't follow.

[02:55:12]

sphery:

"Video Aspect Override" in frontend settings TV Settings|Playback on one of the "General Playback" screens (like 2 or so)

[02:55:30]

sphery:

Also check "Zoom" on the same screen

[02:55:45]

sphery:

You want none for both

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sphery:

(don't know what the word is, but none/off/no/default/...)

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fuxxy:

Okay, override was set to 16:9, but I think that was me trying to fix it earlier. Let me check

[02:56:26]

sphery:

you don't want override

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fuxxy:

okay, set to off and still the same. I'm trying to change aspect ratio on the fly during the playback, and each setting does nothing, respectively

[03:00:01]

sphery:

you shouldn't be changing aspect on the fly, you should be changing zoom on the fly

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fuxxy:

ahh

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fuxxy:

changing zoom on the fly does nothing also

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sphery:

aspect is for those /very/ rare videos that say, "I'm 16:9," but are actually 4:3 (or vice versa)--as opposed to ones that are truly 4:3, but contain a 16:9 video plus black bars (letterbox), which should be zoomed

[03:01:29]

sphery:

the behavior you're seeing is exactly what I'd expect of a system with an override

[03:01:34]

sphery:

are you sure you changed it?

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fuxxy:

let me go back and check.

[03:01:46]

sphery:

can you verify the setting, then restart the frontend, then try

[03:01:48]

fuxxy:

I'd say yes, but I want to make sure.

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clever:

my analog tv can also accept a 16:9 feed in a 4:3 signal, and just add the bars internaly

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sphery:

fuxxy: and, check both aspect override /and/ zoom

[03:02:29]

fuxxy:

"Video aspect override" as well as zoom are both set to "Off".

[03:02:34]

fuxxy:

let me restart the frontend.

[03:02:37]

sphery:

ok, now try restarting.

[03:03:37]

fuxxy:

same as before.

[03:03:42]

sphery:

HDD OEM Wars now on the -users list. (No need to waste your time with Clone Wars, just read the list, instead.)

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fuxxy:

Can't zoom on the fly

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sphery:

if it can't do any zoom or aspect change, then something is pinning it

[03:04:38]

fuxxy:

Will a log tell me?

[03:04:43]

sphery:

If it does change but chooses the wrong thing, then X is misconfigured

[03:04:59]

fuxxy:

I don't feel as if it's doing anything at all.

[03:05:21]

sphery:

I can't think of any other place you can specify an override except perhaps with a playback filter...

[03:05:30]

sphery:

but chances are you didn't specify one.

[03:06:03]

sphery:

I don't think (but don't know if) there's some aspect/zoom setting in playback profiles

[03:06:32]

sphery:

Oh, and you're not running with the "autodetect letter-/pillar-boxing" patch, are you?

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fuxxy:

sphery, you mean "Playback Groups"?

[03:06:50]

fuxxy:

sphery, no idea about the patch, it's ubuntu.

[03:07:00]

sphery:

playback profiles... I think playback groups only have jump/skip amounts and timestretch

[03:07:15]

sphery:

(and a name :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Humm.. is that a 0.21-fixes patch? (I might want to try it...)

[03:07:22]

fuxxy:

ahh, there it is.

[03:07:24]

sphery:

or filter or something

[03:07:27]

sphery:

where?

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fuxxy:

CPU++, --, etc

[03:08:09]

fuxxy:

right now I'm using ++, so It uses ffmpeg and XV

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sphery:

yeah, that's profiles--do they have any aspect stuff (make sure you look at the profile--i.e. select Edit next to the top rez > 1280 720 line--as opposed to just the profile group (CPU++, etc))

[03:08:49]

sphery:

I also /highly/ recommend Slim

[03:09:08]

sphery:

Slim = same as 0.20 without XvMC/PVR-350-out

[03:09:17]

sphery:

and much easier to debug

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fuxxy:

Not sure what I'm looking at, but on #1, match criteria is set >= 1280x720, use xb-blit

[03:10:24]

fuxxy:

err, ffmpeg rather

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sphery:

nothing about aspect or zoom anywhere on either of the 2 pages?

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sphery:

(2 pages you get when you edit the profile)

[03:11:36]

fuxxy:

Not that I can see

[03:13:10]

sphery:

Hmmm... Then I'm out of ideas.

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fuxxy:

Okay, thanks for the help, I'll keep piddling.

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fuxxy:

I found that even without xbmc/vdpau, if I actually use more than half of my processor for decoding, the quality is much better. Not perfect, but better.

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sphery:

fuxxy: Your zoom issue was not using vdpau, right? If vdpau, all I said is meaningless (as I know nothing of vdpau).

[03:23:01]

fuxxy:

I'm running 0.21 – no VDPAU for me.

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sphery:

OK. Then, again, I'm stumped--don't know why it's not working.

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, how was your xorg.conf generated?

[03:26:59]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, it JustWorked (tm)

[03:27:12]

fuxxy:

I've never used ubuntu before, and it just booted straight into gui.

[03:27:29]

iamlindoro:

fuxxy, and you ahve the nvidia closed source drivers installed?

[03:27:50]

fuxxy:

iamlindoro, I remember installing them, but let me check to make sure.

[03:28:25]

fuxxy:

oh wow

[03:28:32]

fuxxy:

it appears they weren't installed on this system.

[03:28:52]

fuxxy:

version 173, and 177

[03:30:12]

fuxxy:

installing drivers, give me a second

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iamlindoro:

yep, may/should clear thigns up

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fuxxy:

Okay, nvidia binaries v177 are installed

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iamlindoro:

you ought to give it a try now

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fuxxy:

ha-ha!

[03:34:38]

fuxxy:

works out of the box

[03:35:04]

fuxxy:

thanks, iamlindoro

[03:35:14]

iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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fuxxy:

even 16:9 is correctly displaying the black bars above and below

[03:35:46]

fuxxy:

and video playback has smoothed CONSIDERABLY

[03:36:06]

fuxxy:

I wonder if I should try fullscreen?

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fuxxy:

:]

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh, this sux. only one of my bad 500GB drives is in warranty...

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squish103:

what make of drives?

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wagnerrp:

something with a 3yr warranty apparently

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squish102:

probably wd or maxtor

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iamlindoro:

It would have to be, he's too smart to own Seagate

[03:59:34]

wagnerrp:

well seagates were fine until recently

[03:59:42]

Lexridge:

I've been buying the hitachi drives. 5 year warranty.

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squish102:

it is kinda scary to think i have just bought a 1tb drive for recordings and i may loose everything based on what seems to be reliability issues with bigger drives

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I know, but the "recently" has burned me bad :)

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squish102:

^^ exactly why i bought a samsung

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: WD 500.

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Look at it this way, if you got a drive to the end of its warranty, it's already performed better than almost any drive you can buy right now ;)

[04:10:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah... well, I think this model only had a 1yr warranty... sticker says 11 dec 2006 manufacture date... died when my raid failed, just getting around to RMA'ing it...

[04:11:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

But... just determined that I fat-fingered the serial when I registered it and provided my purchase reciept to update the warranty date... just sent them an email, hopefully they'll fix it so I can RMA the drive.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ^^ and that's the reason I haven't bought any newer, larger, drives yet...

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CaptObviousman:

gosh, hdtv looks preeeeeeeetttyyy

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CaptObviousman:

what key pauses tv?

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CaptObviousman:

ahh, nm

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jackson__:

OT, however is it typical that the native resolution of a 22" LCD monitor is 1920x1080? I've always presumed that the native resolution is 1680x1050, however my SceptreX22HG-Naga is reporting 1920x1080 as the Native resolution – in fact, after switching to it, it looks great.

[04:37:07]

CaptObviousman:

well, if it isn't viewporting it for you, then I"d believe it

[04:37:20]

CaptObviousman:

if the LCD couldn't handle it, it wouldn't have shown up in ESSID

[04:37:29]

CaptObviousman:

well, usually, unless it's broken or poorly designed

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jackson__:

yeah, it hadn't even occured to me to try anything higher than the advertised res of 1680x1050. It's the NVIDIA X Server Setting app where I spied the Flat Panel Information and the Native Resolution of 1920x1080

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Lexridge:

22" monitors can be either, 1680x1050 or 1920x1080. It depends on what you have.

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wagnerrp:

what are the dimensions of the panel?

[04:40:03]

wagnerrp:

ive never heard of a 1920x1080 panel under 32"

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I have a 24" that does 1920x1200

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wagnerrp:

thats 1920x1200, not 1920x1080... completely different

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Lexridge:

yes, but I can run this at 1920x1080, and there are other 24" monitors that are specifically 1920x1080 out there. Acer makes one.

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wagnerrp:

got a link?

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Lexridge:

yea, gimme a minute

[04:42:34]

wagnerrp:

nevermind... found them

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Lexridge:

okay, you are quick!

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wagnerrp:

huh... wonder who started making that panel

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Lexridge:

no clue

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wagnerrp:

actually two panels, a 21.5" and a 24"

[04:44:10]

wagnerrp:

but all monitors of all manufacturers with that resolution have identical stats

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Lexridge:

humm, certainly sounds like the same lcd in all of them.

[04:44:32]

wagnerrp:

aside from differences in the controller board

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Lexridge:

yea, everyone is gonna write their own control firmware.

[04:45:43]

wagnerrp:

well they probably build their own board too

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, there's many fewer LCD production factories than there are LCD vendors

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CaptObviousman:

Apple used to make comments to the effect of "Other companies use the lcds we reject as being not good enough"

[04:46:17]

Lexridge:

you all heard about hte price fixing fiasco the LCD makers got themselves into, with price fixing, right?

[04:46:29]

CaptObviousman:

a shot at Dell, because they were buying screens from the same OEM

[04:46:36]

wagnerrp:

nope

[04:46:44]

CaptObviousman:

no

[04:47:28]

Lexridge:

they had a 500M dollar fine against them...Sharp was company indicated, as were many other familiar companies as well.

[04:47:56]

Lexridge:

lemme find a link. This means the prices of LCDs should come WAY down soon.

[04:48:34]

Lexridge:

her is the first link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/technology/13panel.html

[04:49:23]

wagnerrp:

personally, i already thought prices had come way down

[04:49:47]

Lexridge:

they have to some respect, but they should drop even further, as long as the dollar holds any value.

[04:50:08]

d0netsFN:

lol

[04:50:11]

d0netsFN:

you shitting me?

[04:50:17]

d0netsFN:

woops i forget the language possibility

[04:50:26]

d0netsFN:

but the dollar is down for the count

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CaptObviousman:

goddamnit

[04:51:02]

d0netsFN:

the fed is printing them by the billions

[04:51:03]

CaptObviousman:

something keeps screwing up

[04:51:09]

Lexridge:

yea, pretty much. With low gas prices again, everything is not realizing that it's gonna jump WAY back up in a few months.

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** CaptObviousman is starting to get pissed **

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d0netsFN:

language policy

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Lexridge:

yea, the more worthless money they print, the less our dollar is worth

[04:52:08]

d0netsFN:

*

[04:52:16]

d0netsFN:

right

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d0netsFN:

if you ahve 10$

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d0netsFN:

and they increase the money supply by 10%

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d0netsFN:

you now have 9

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d0netsFN:

or what used to be 9

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d0netsFN:

inflation 101

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** d0netsFN starts an "end tha' fed!" chant **

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wagnerrp:

crap! mythfilldatabase has been failing since last thursday

[04:53:56]

wagnerrp:

guess its time for a update and rebuild

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wagnerrp:

see if that fixes things

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Lexridge:

d0netsFN: yep, you are preaching to the chour dude. I'm spreading all this info around, and the federal reserve B/S too, far and wide.

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d0netsFN:

good

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CaptObviousman:

I am starting to believe that this hardware is cursed somehow

[04:54:33]

d0netsFN:

"every generation needs a revolution"

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CaptObviousman:

I always used to have weird screwups before, and it struggled to compile without random errors

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** CaptObviousman begins to suspect processor-ness **

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Lexridge:

d0netsFN: btw, I still voted for Ron Paul in the general election...write in.

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wagnerrp:

d0netsFN: thats not entirely true

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d0netsFN:

i didnt vote in the general election

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d0netsFN:

i voted for him in the primary though

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wagnerrp:

it may have been 50 years ago when we were still based on the gold standard

[04:55:31]

wagnerrp:

but now its more complicated than a direct 1:1

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Lexridge:

actually, the gold standard ended fully in 1975

[04:56:10]

Lexridge:

wow, so 33 years is close I guess.

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wagnerrp:

its a speculator's market, just like stocks

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Dagmar:

CaptObviousman: CONGRATULATIONS! You've just described the symptoms of *bad RAM*. Break out memtest86+ post haste

[04:59:26]

Dagmar:

CaptObviousman: No, this is not a drill. "Close" doesn't count in the output of memtest86+ because RAM is neither horseshoes nor hand grenades. If it can't run overnight without zero errors, you need new gear.

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Dagmar:

gcc is freaking awesome for finding bad RAM.

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Lexridge:

it could also be bad caps

[05:00:15]

Lexridge:

and that is easy to check visually.

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Dagmar:

If they're exploded like popcorn, sure.

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Lexridge:

or even swollen, or leaking from the top

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Dagmar:

He's not clever, tho.

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Dagmar:

He wont' be running some weird hardware found in the back of a closet that was made in Taipei

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wagnerrp:

hundreds of machines ive come across in the past couple years, ive never found one with bad caps

[05:01:34]

wagnerrp:

ive found several dozen sticks of bad memory

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wagnerrp:

test the memory

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Lexridge:

I've had had MANY MBs have had to get their caps shotgunned. That means replacing them all.

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Dagmar:

He's literally describing *exactly* the behaviours bad RAM causts.

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Dagmar:

s/causts/causes/;

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Lexridge:

well, the thing with bad caps is, it looks like a memory or cpu error, because of voltage variences.

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Dagmar:

It's up there with (pardon the graphicness of this) "it burns when I pee" for a telltale

[05:02:33]

clever:

2008-12–18 01:00:29.968 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingRecording to WatchingPreRecorded

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clever:

2008-12–18 01:00:37.185 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingPreRecorded to None

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wagnerrp:

well thats why you run memtest

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wagnerrp:

if you get an error, there is a hardware error

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clever:

for some reason, whenever the 'tuner' stops recording, all playback comes to a screaching halt

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Dagmar:

Memtest86 will give you a definite yes or no answer in one night.

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clever:

even when theres another 30mins left to the file

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wagnerrp:

you swap out the memory, if you still get an error, its a hardware error other than memory

[05:03:22]

clever:

anybody have any ideas?

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Dagmar:

clever: The tuner on liveTV that you're trying to watch through?

[05:04:17]

clever:

Dagmar: i havent used livetv in weeks

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Lexridge:

just humor me, and youself, and look at the caps around the CPU. Swollen caps are very obvious, and produces all kinds of crashing issues

[05:04:38]

clever:

i picked it out of the 'watch recordings' list while it was actively recording

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clever:

i can get a chunk of the log on pastebin

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a bug

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clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

thats not true, i have had blown caps in power supplies

[05:06:50]

wagnerrp:

if we lose power for an extended period, the lab gets humid

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clever:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1288351

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wagnerrp:

if we dont turn the AC up, and let it filter out the humidity before dropping the temperature and starting the cluster, we usually lose several machines

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Dagmar:

clever: Unless it's saying something really weird, there's no point in reading that

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clever:

it does the expected change from recording->prerecorded when it gets the done_recording message

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CaptObviousman:

Dagmar: that's a very good idea, I'll do that overnight

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clever:

then a timeout on the socket...

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wagnerrp:

usually no need to do it overnight

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clever:

2008-12–18 01:00:37.082 MythSocket(9867d48:33): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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wagnerrp:

any time ive had bad memory, it usually shows up within a couple seconds/minutes

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: Ah, I want to ask you something. We had a professional installer install our 30Kw UPS system. He installed shutoff switches for both the AC and the UPS at every exit, and charged us a bunch for it cause he said it was "code" for a datacenter......

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Dagmar:

clever: WHen I say "Sounds like a bug" I don't mean in the speculative sense. I mean it sounds like a coding error someone might make that would cause the recording to _move_ in some way as the thing goes from being recorded to not being recorded

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Lexridge:

is that true? Does a datacenter have to have a power shutoff at every exit

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wagnerrp:

i was not aware there was any sort of 'code' for data centers

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clever:

Dagmar: ive had similar problems with the seek table state getting scrambled right when the recording is ending

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wagnerrp:

but easy access to kill switches are certainly a good idea

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clever:

if i try to seek right at that time, the frontend gets confused

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clever:

but it didnt usualy halt on its own

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: To put this bluntly, if you EVER want to be able to do maintenance on those UPSes you will need the kill switches.

[05:10:53]

Lexridge:

He showed it to me, but the book was from 1996, so it certainly could be outdated information, however, they seem to tighten up on this stuff, not loosen up.

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Dagmar:

I don't know if it's in your local construction codes or not, but it's the _sensible_ thing to do

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Lexridge:

yea, it is sensible, but just unexpected.

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Dagmar:

Just make sure there's some really unsubtle cover on them so no one pushes them trying to get the doors out of the datacenter open

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Lexridge:

in a fire situation, I'm sure killing the A/C would be beneficial.

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** CaptObviousman bites back a laugh **

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Dagmar:

I assumed you were talking about the power into the datacenter when you said "AC"

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CaptObviousman:

if you even think of doing so, LiveJournal admins will suddenly materialize in the corners of your room and stab you through the heart from four directions

[05:12:46]

Lexridge:

oh, both actually....The switch kills both the air conditioning and the UPS.

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Dagmar:

There should be a cutoff for power to the UPS as well as power from the UPS into teh datacenter

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Dagmar:

That'll work

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Dagmar:

Wait, kills them both at the same time?

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Lexridge:

the air is on a completely seperate circuit.

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wagnerrp:

so its a little switch that triggers a pair of relays

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Lexridge:

the datacenter runs off a three phase 100amp breaker, and the AC runs on it's own 60amp breaker. It triggers two relays, yes.

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Dagmar:

Being able to kill the power to the HVAC isn't a bad idea tho

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Dagmar:

Contractors like to occasionally disconnect the wrong damn ones

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Lexridge:

yea, cause it moves some serious freaking air. Certainly fuel for a fire.

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Dagmar:

...so if you're at least sure you know where "the button" is, you can ensure no fried techs will make it all smelly.

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Dagmar:

...and they won't accidentally blow it up doing PMs

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Lexridge:

I wouldn't guarantee anything ;)

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wagnerrp:

well then... you just need to move your data center into a closed nitrogen tank

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Dagmar:

We're a good 20 years away from liquid cooled DCs thankfully

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Lexridge:

yea, I can hardly see anyway, wearing a mask would make that much better ;)

[05:16:19]

wagnerrp:

no, gaseous nitrogen, fire suppressant

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wagnerrp:

halon is for wimps

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Lexridge:

lol

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clever:

if you displace all the air with an inert gas, you wont have any fire hazard

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Dagmar:

or any live admins

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wagnerrp:

details details

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wagnerrp:

issue them rebreathers

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clever:

just bring a oxygen mask in when repairing the thing:P

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Lexridge:

hence the mask...or oxygen as the case is.

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CaptObviousman:

you can always hire more admins right?

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wagnerrp:

well giving them oxygen would be bad, because most of what you exhale is oxygen

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wagnerrp:

they would taint the system

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Dagmar:

FIRE GO BOOM

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wagnerrp:

you would have to add scrubbers

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clever:

you could just flush the room with normal air when doing maintaince

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Lexridge:

man, we had a huge setback this week. We were told our digital microwave NEXTEL replacement wasn't going to arrive until april 1st. We are seriously fscked!!

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clever:

but then you would have to reflush it with an intert gas when your done

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wagnerrp:

rebreathers capture and store the CO2, and recycle the oxygen

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clever:

wagnerrp: you could just have a full face mask, with lines going out of the room

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clever:

so you just suck normal air from outside in

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clever:

and exaust it back out somewhere normal

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Lexridge:

way too expensive

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wagnerrp:

force them to be tethered? thats no fun

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clever:

my idea seems cheaper then a rebreather

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clever:

just a full mask and teather

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Lexridge:

yea, cheaper maybe, but still expensive nonetheless.

[05:20:50]

Lexridge:

once you get it to pass OHSA requirements, it would be overly pricey

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Lexridge:

or would that be OSHA

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wagnerrp:

just slap an MSDS on the door, youll be fine

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Lexridge:

lol

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CaptObviousman:

HDTV is gorgeous. Just thought you all should know.

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jamesd_:

i'm surprised more people aren't dropping cable and satelite TV and just going back to rabbit ears and a digital tuner.. the picture totally rocks and save $50 a month and still rent a couple movies a week.

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Lexridge:

why is it that Wal-Mart always hooks up analog RF, and stretces it to full screen on all their display monitors? They look like CRAP!!

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wagnerrp:

because its walmart

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Lexridge:

that is reason enough ;)

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Lexridge:

It's amazing they sell any TVs at all with the crappy looking picture.

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jamesd_:

Lexridge, because they are using an old analog satelite feed put through to all the tv via a tv distrubution system that is old as the store...

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wagnerrp:

they can sell tv there because the general masses dont know better

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Lexridge:

and what is sad, most of the folks that purchase them, still run it in a stretched mode. UGH!

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: my point exactly!

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jamesd_:

here you have to change the setting based on what is on TV, some shows are still narrow and have to be done in zoom 2... to fill the screen.. others are fine in aspect and that is without even changing the channel

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Lexridge:

jamesd_ yea, my wife still zooms into a SD sat channel when there is a HD channel of the SAME THING!!! WTF?

[05:37:26]

RyeBrye:

Lexridge: time to delete that channel from the TV lineup :)

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: go to a best buy, and try to find a properly configured HDTV

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wagnerrp:

its not worth them any more sales to spend the time to do so

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RyeBrye:

They should have a V-Chip like thing... only for TV settings... like block all SD channels without a password ;)

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: Well, I configure it all right, correctly, and somehow, she changes it all.

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Lexridge:

If you've heard the phrase, "just play around, you can't hurt it" Well, she CAN!!

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jamesd_:

Lexridge, dont feel bad, my wife wanted to make sure we watched all the "digital TV test" to be sure that we had digital tv, after she changed the channel to "12.1" on the 42" 1080p lcd tv, yes she knows its 12.1 and the 1080p. and we got the converter boxes for the kids room..

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Lexridge:

my wife is brilliant with computers, but sucks when it comes to running the entertainment center, and then she gets pissed off when I try to show her!!

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Lexridge:

I ended up re-wiring the whole thing to make it better wife friendly.

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jamesd_:

my wife is getting better... but i really have to program the universal remote... were back up to 4 remotes... blu-ray, dvd, tv, reciever and mythtv (microsoft)

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jamesd_:

we replaced all the gear recently and i'm been too lazy to reprogram it all..

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Lexridge:

four remotes is not good. Easy enough for me, but not for the wife. Oh NO! ;)

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jamesd_:

yeah i know.. and i'm getting tired of hearing "what do i have to change the Tv too to watch DVD" ... its hdmi but every night practically she asks again

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Lexridge:

that's better than mine. I should her the A/V input for the DVD, and the Component1 input for sat. She said "Don't confuse me with a lot of button presses. It should just work" DOH!!!

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Lexridge:

it's a hopeless cause. I've given up. I'll just lock her in the basement with the toon channel on 24/7

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Lexridge:

for the record, that was a joke. I don't even have a basement, and my wife is hotter than hell, and she is standing beside me ATM. Gulp!!

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jamesd_:

i think mine would be mostly happy with... the system automaticly changed the channels as followed... "9am rachel ray, 10am the view, 11 am martha steward, rest fo the soaps and the night time shows are just as set, including reruns of every show doesn't matter she never rememebers she has seen it a dozen times before... and of course she will watch movies on tv, even thought we have the same damm movie in wide scr

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jamesd_:

een on dvd.

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CaptObviousman:

good move since she's beside you

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CaptObviousman:

of course she's hot as hell

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jamesd_:

of course "hot as hell" not equal "horny as hell" which is much nicer usually...

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Lexridge:

humm, well she could be both..hot and horney, which is always better. ;)

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jamesd_:

of course...

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Lexridge:

horney fat chicks are no fun...or are they? I guess that depends on ones age. lol

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jamesd_:

Lexridge, of course that combination usually happens in the middle of a playoff game, the world series, or the superbowl

[05:53:08]

Lexridge:

lol, yea, ain't that the truth!

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Lexridge:

Any college football fans here? I just read the Idaho bowl between Maryland and Nevada has only sold 16 tickets in Maryland, and 8 tickets in Nevada. WOW!!!

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RyeBrye:

what are the odds that this is stolen: http://provo.craigslist.org/sys/958952002.html ?

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wagnerrp:

probably little

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wagnerrp:

its an OLD system theyre trying to dump

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: true. I guess I was assuming newer xeons

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wagnerrp:

thats an old socket 604 netburst Xeon

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jamesd_:

it could even be eide drives.

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wagnerrp:

i would presume scsi

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RyeBrye:

Ah. ok. now the price makes sense

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jamesd_:

120's are a wierd size for scsi.. usually scsi is 36, 72, 144, or 300's

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wagnerrp:

you can part together a better system with new parts off newegg for that price

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wagnerrp:

jamesd_: yeah, forgot scsi are more exact with their sizes

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jamesd_:

and if you can wait i read that AMD are releasing some new desktop chips are low power and decent specs and cheap... dual and quad core 45um with 3MB of l3 storage and 2.5ghz.

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wagnerrp:

their 45nm fabs are up and running?

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jamesd_:

they said it will be shipping q1 09.

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jamesd_:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Noteboo . . . 12172008STR1

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wagnerrp:

well the i7s are no more power efficient than the 45nm Core2s

[06:02:51]

wagnerrp:

might give AMD a bit of time to catch up before the 32nm jump

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jamesd_:

i like buying AMD because they tend to be a bit cheaper and have hypertransport, and gives intel a reason to keep inovating.

[06:04:05]

wagnerrp:

well they did, the i7s have something similar

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jamesd_:

and besides transcoding multiple streams... is there a reason for more than dual core on the desktop or even home servers.

[06:04:27]

wagnerrp:

except you cant get a board and proc for under $500 at the moment

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wagnerrp:

transcoding h264

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wagnerrp:

but really, very few people will fill that

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jamesd_:

ram is more important than cpu these days... but venders still have problems putting more than 8GB of ram on desktop class motherboards, i know there are a few 16GB boards but they are rare

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oobe:

why is ram more important

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jamesd_:

oobe, because ram is faster than disk so data can be cached, and it can cache network content as well and ram is faster than network, not to mention applications are bloated hogs. firefox anyone... 1GB of ram to hold 20 pages each 100k or less in actual content.

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oobe:

i have a 2 gb dual channel kit i bought to replace my generic 1gb set and i still havent got round to putting it in purely laziness but i will be interested to see if it has any major performance increases its faster to 800mhz as apose to 667

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jamesd_:

oobe, unless you are a gamer... speed of ram isn't that important... even slow ram is faster at the tasks i mentioned...

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oobe:

faster or fast enough

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oobe:

i would be disapointed if it were faster

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jamesd_:

unless you are going to use artifiical benchmarks, if you swapped 600 ram with 800 ram you wouldn't notice the difference. more ram is always better though

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RyeBrye:

well... for compiling I like multiple cores

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jamesd_:

yeah but that task is becoming more and more rare these days ;-) might even want to point you to #myth for using language like that in this channel ;-)

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RyeBrye:

oh, no. I know better than to speak in #myth

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RyeBrye:

:)

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jamesd_:

i think its only fair.. they send everyone here, its about time we send a few there who talk about compiling code ;-)

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, am I missing something here? I'm trying to get memtest86 "burned" to a usb drive

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RyeBrye:

:)

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CaptObviousman:

I downloaded the iso, then did dd if=memtest.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512

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CaptObviousman:

and it don't work

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CaptObviousman:

I did the same thing a few weeks ago for a slackware usb boot image and it worked like a hose

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Huijari:

is it a cd image or an usb image?

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CaptObviousman:

so, this leads me to believe that bootable cd image != bootable usb image

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CaptObviousman:

Huijari: no

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CaptObviousman:

what are the differences, and can I convert one to the other easily?

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Huijari:

yes, if the cd uses isolinux as bootloader

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Huijari:

CaptObviousman: http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Inst . . . installation there's a quick guide

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CaptObviousman:

Huijari: thanks

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Finswimmer:

hello, i am thinking about this: moving the mysql DB and webfrontend into the internet. so that I could schedule my recordings even while the pc is off. is this possible?

[08:08:40]

wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is not designed to function with an offline backend

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wagnerrp:

ls

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Finswimmer:

wagnerrp: the mysql database is not enough?

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wagnerrp:

if you try to access mythweb without a backend, it will just complain and display nothing

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wagnerrp:

mythweb does not actually make schedules

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wagnerrp:

it just edits rules

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wagnerrp:

after which it tells the backend to rerun the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

and displays the results

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Finswimmer:

hmm. so the backend must run 24/7 when I want to schedule it via the internet...

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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CCFL_Man_:

anyone know what udp 2046 is used for?

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Finswimmer:

ah. i see. i thought mythweb is modyfing the database directly...

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wagnerrp:

it is

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Finswimmer:

yeah. but i missed the part that the backend is needed to rerun the scheduler.

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Finswimmer:

thought that this is not necessary.

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wagnerrp:

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=port+2046&l=1

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Finswimmer:

*lol* what a funny homepage.

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xris:

Finswimmer: the schedules live in the db... but mythweb doesn't load them from the db itself.. backend handles all of that.

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xris:

besides, you can't record if the backend isn't running

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Finswimmer:

the reason why i asked for porting mysql in the internet was to save energy. But keeping it on for 24/7 is the only possible? even a small box at home would not help.

[08:20:25]

Finswimmer:

xris: wake on lan would have solved this problem ;)

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wagnerrp:

well one idea would be running a small embedded machine, tunerless, as the primary frontend

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wagnerrp:

it does all the scheduling and wakes up other backends as needed

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wagnerrp:

that is currently impossible

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wagnerrp:

but there has been a lot of complaining for that on the mailing list

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Floppe:

why not a small embedded backend ?

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wagnerrp:

yeah... backend i mean

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Finswimmer:

Floppe: but this one would never have the power to record anything?

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xris:

wagnerrp: you know how much work that scheduler query takes? on a slow machine, it can take several minutes to run.

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wagnerrp:

a tunerless backend is also completely unsupported, and used to cause problems, but at least it seems to work on 0.21

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wagnerrp:

xris: never actually paid attention while it was running

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wagnerrp:

the best option you have currently? check what your WOL options are

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wagnerrp:

on some boards, there is an option to wake on any network traffic

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wagnerrp:

so, use ethtool to set that mode, put it in standby, and whenever you try to access the page, the machine wakes back up

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Finswimmer:

wagnerrp: that is a very good idea.

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Finswimmer:

I think with "normal" WOL magic packages should it also work, at least if the router let them through.

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wagnerrp:

'magic packets' are broadcast, you cannot push them through the router

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wagnerrp:

best bet would be to have a hacked firmware (ddwrt) with a wol client

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wagnerrp:

most boards only support 'd' (disabled) and 'g' (magic packet)

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wagnerrp:

you would be looking for 'u' (unicast) or 'p' (phy)

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Finswimmer:

Supports Wake-on: pumbg :)

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Finswimmer:

hmm. is it possible to rename my tuner? I have tuner 1,2 on DVB:0, and tuner 7,8 on DVB:1... not a real problem, but a cosmetic one...

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wagnerrp:

Finswimmer: delete them all, and re-add them

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wagnerrp:

delete all in mythtv-setup restarts the numbering

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Finswimmer:

wagnerrp: ah. ok. i just tried to delete the second one. which causes to count even higher ;)

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Finswimmer:

will that delete all my channels?

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wagnerrp:

there should be an option to delete all cards

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wagnerrp:

cards and sources are completely independent

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wagnerrp:

channels are kept with the sources

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Finswimmer:

great. thank you very much!

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wagnerrp:

seems the Ion (Atom + GF9400M) wont be available until mid next year

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Finswimmer:

wagnerrp: this site lets wake up your pc via internet: http://www.lchu.net/wowASP/wow.asp

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Finswimmer:

it works :)

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waxhead_:

hey everyone...

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waxhead_:

got a HD tv... how the heck do it get the diplsay to go to 1920x1080

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waxhead_:

s/it/I/

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waxhead_:

hmmm... where's the darn setting to change the GUI???

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directhex:

waxhead_, it runs full screen, unless you've been titting about with the settings

[11:02:35]

waxhead_:

not really mucking about with the settings...

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waxhead_:

what I can't get is the GUI to sit full screen...

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Finswimmer:

hello, is here somebody who is using tvm2xml and has no problems with umlaute (like öüä)?

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Finswimmer:

They are displayed incorrectly.

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directhex:

trunk or 0.21?

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waxhead_:

me?

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waxhead_:

directhex: 21 I think..

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waxhead_:

I have set the playback to 1920x1080, but what do I go to get the GUI right?

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directhex:

oh, hang on, you mean it's not 100% centered?

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waxhead_:

directhex: yeah... it's sitting to the left of the screen

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waxhead_:

Oh.. and how would I get sound to go out the HDMI port... can I do that?

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directhex:

sounds like a lack of 1:1 pixel mapping in your tv. there should be a screen wizardsomewhere in the frontend settings

[11:15:03]

waxhead_:

it's going out SPIDF for now... I have hdmi out form the video card though...

[11:15:21]

waxhead_:

directhex: the TV is fine...

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waxhead_:

directhex: the TV is running 1920 x 1080, but the GUI and playback doesn't "fill" the screen... I'm missing a setting in myth I think to tell the GUI it's 1920x1080

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directhex:

your desktop fits 100%?

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waxhead_:

directhex: yes...

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waxhead_:

desktop fits sweet... biggest computer monitor I've ever used! :)

[11:17:05]

directhex:

and your frontend log says what?

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waxhead_:

what would I be looking for?

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directhex:

just pastebin the whole log

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waxhead_:

directhex: can I paste two lines?

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lbt:

I'm going into my program guide and selecting a program and doing "record only this showing". It says "Single Record — Not Listed" and won't record

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directhex:

2 lines, probably. more than that, expect to be kickbanned

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lbt:

I've read up and it suggests that this is due to "the TV listings have changed"

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lbt:

but I'm selecting from the program guide so they can't have

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waxhead_:

directhex: http://pastebin.ca/1288523

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waxhead_:

directhex: that's from the last reboot...

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waxhead_:

so not too much there.. it does show that it's running in 1920x1080

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directhex:

try changing theme

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lbt:

any clues about Not Listed?

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waxhead_:

directhex: seriously?

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waxhead_:

do you have a recommendation?

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directhex:

just try a different wide theme. i'm still failing to visualize your issue properly, but it might help

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lbt:

My problem only seems to apply to programs that have started...

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lbt:

(just running some tests)

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waxhead_:

directhex: imagine a huge screen where all the desktop can be seen ( which on the CRT you couldn't ) and you have the myth GUI in the top left hand corner...

[11:32:56]

waxhead_:

but I think it's got to do with the screen settings! Just found them...

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directhex:

oh christ

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directhex:

waxhead_, compiz?

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waxhead_:

GUI width is only 900 with an off set....

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waxhead_:

directhex: no.. it's a mythbuntu setup...

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waxhead_:

compiz isn't on it...

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directhex:

mythfrontend --reset

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directhex:

you're running in a window, it seems

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waxhead_:

I'll try that before I fiddle with the settings then...

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test1:

hi

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test1:

i'm reading in usermanual that ; "Archiving Recordings/ ..These files are either in NuppelVideo format or MPEG-2 (Program or Transport Stream) format."

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test1:

but i only see nuv files..

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test1:

where are mpeg2 files? .. or how can i select option record in mpeg ?

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waxhead_:

directhex: I'll try setting the screen settings to 0 to go full screen...

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directhex:

test1, what kind of tv card do you have?

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dustybin:

the turtle beach has arrived!! sooo small

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test1:

pinacle v4l analogic (?)

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directhex:

then you don't have any choice.

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test1:

only nuv?

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directhex:

only nuv, with rtjpeg or mpeg4 payload

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test1:

ok..

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test1:

ty..

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waxhead_:

what does enable LCD device mean?

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directhex:

for LCD displays on PCs.

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directhex:

8-segment-style things

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test1:

directhex: please confirm (because my english is regular), > so there is no way to record with an other extension (in my case, with my tv card?)

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directhex:

correct.

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test1:

:) but i still can try to convert it ... using https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ true ?

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directhex:

yes

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test1:

cool

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dustybin:

wow my spdif digital sound cable glows red on the other end

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test1:

(hi)

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CaptObviousman:

it's like there's a lazzzzzer in it or something

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laga:

all hail to the mighty captain obvious

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** CaptObviousman takes a bow **

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test1:

please, what about convert a nuv file (convert in avi/ xvid/ 480*272) using ... MEDIACODER(+wine) ?

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waxhead__:

back...

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waxhead__:

bit of a lock up..

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waxhead__:

directhex: thanks for the help... it's working... full screen beauty!!!!!

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test1:

actually it seems to be possible to convert nuv in avi with mediacoder (it uses mplayer) but i have trouble with aspect ratio (and..sound speed) ..

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test1:

does sm1 use mediacoder to convert his nuv ??

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laga:

test1: why don't yo ask the people who wrote mediacoder? especially if it's windows software

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test1:

laga: yes .. (adapted to wine , too)

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test1:

but .. any user of mediacoder here ?

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test1:

:) ... ty all .. anyway, i'll study nuvexport (and try laga's solution too ;)

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Dibblah:

CaptObviousman is actually wrong. There's only an LED in the SPDIF transmitter.

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Dibblah:

It's not a laser, since it really doesn't need high signal levels.

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, tat's quite interesting. This entire set of channels, which was working the other day, is now causing my be to lock up

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CaptObviousman:

low signal quality

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Dibblah:

"lock up" as in?

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CaptObviousman:

well, it doesn't crash, but it stops responding to the fe totally

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Dibblah:

Backtrace?

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Dibblah:

And is this current SVN or 0.21*?

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CaptObviousman:

21-fixes

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Dibblah:

Log of the backend show anything suspicious?

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CaptObviousman:

hang on, lemme duplicate it again so I can isolate

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CaptObviousman:

http://pastebin.linode.com/1861

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CaptObviousman:

that's [functiona channel]->[non-functional] backend log

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CaptObviousman:

the fe pops up a message which says "You shold have gotten a channel lock by now."

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CaptObviousman:

and I can see the be still checking expirations in the log. It just refuses to repond to the fe any more until I restart it by hand

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CaptObviousman:

where is this mysql.txt supposed to be anyway

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Dibblah:

-v record,channel

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Dibblah:

Would probably help.

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CaptObviousman:

http://pastebin.ca/1288555

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CaptObviousman:

significantly longer

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dustybin:

wow i got the turtle beach usb device working perfectly!!!

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dustybin:

now i have a free PCI slot for another Nova-T 500 :)

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jm|home:

can I use some command line mythcommflag that say "just use channel logo detection" ?

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kslater:

jm|home: it happens to most of us (me especially)

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kslater:

myth is feature rich

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jm|home:

ja

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jm|home:

I was going to try to make my own logo detection program 4S&G

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jm|home:

but this might be easier

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jm|home:

it won't trim under/overrun though :/

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gbee:

anyone have a clue why downloading large images in firefox would cause video to freeze in myth? (not network or disk IO related, konq doesn't have this issue either)

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kslater:

gbee: I have one site that when I visit with FF 3 causes all input to my machine to stop. It's like the Gnome input queue gets hosed

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gbee:

thinking I'll have to ditch Firefox in favour of Opera/Konq, both of which seem faster anyway

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kslater:

doesn't happen with Opera

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gbee:

yeah, FF seems to cause more lockups on this new machine than anything else

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gbee:

used to be a big Opera fan, but there were one or two things I quite liked about Firefox which Opera didn't do :/

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kslater:

as a general browser I depend on FF too much (not on myth specifically)

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kslater:

Opera just never seemed right

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jm|home:

gbee: do you use nvidia driver?

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gbee:

yep

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jm|home:

I'm afraid this is just a "me too"

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jm|home:

. o O ( NVP )

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jm|home:

well that didn't work :/

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jamiem:

gbee: there are a few forums citing this sort of problem with nvidia driver

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jamiem:

I can make mythfrontend freeze by simply scrolling up and down in firefox if the page is long enough (even without images)

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jamiem:

I am using SLi and xinerama though which could influence things

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gbee:

yeah it happens in other ways, the images thing is just one sure way to trigger it

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gbee:

but although the driver could be fixed to stop it, FF has to take some of the blame for the way it's working

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jamiem:

gbee: do you use xinerama?

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gbee:

twinview, no xinerama

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jamiem:

oh

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gbee:

might have still done it when I was using xinerama

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** jamiem uses xinerama and twinview – 3 monitors **

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jduggan:

with nvidia?

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jduggan:

i couldnt get it working right

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jduggan:

:\

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gbee:

well as I recently learnt, xinerama is not required with recent drivers and twinview (for a two monitor setup anyway)

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jduggan:

my dual screens were stretching the desktop

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jduggan:

and the third screen was fine

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jduggan:

so maximise a window

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gbee:

apparently xinerama actually does more harm than good

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jduggan:

and it stretches both

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jamiem:

gbee: that's right. But for three or four you need to xinerama the two twinviews together

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** gbee nods **

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jamiem:

don't get me started on RandR

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jduggan:

arent they working on it

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gbee:

used to be that you needed xinerama because twinview would just stretch the desktop/windows

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jamiem:

I think I'm hungry

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gbee:

my screens operate at the native res, never need RandR

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jduggan:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjkwMw

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gbee:

think I'll stick with Opera, forgot just how damn fast it is, even compared to the supposedly fast FF 3

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jduggan:

cept

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jduggan:

its too strict

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jduggan:

and breaks sites

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jduggan:

:(

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gbee:

no such thing

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jduggan:

ideally no

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jduggan:

but practically

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jduggan:

:(

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gbee:

honestly the stricter the better in my book, I just don't use sites that can't stick to standards

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gbee:

never have

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jduggan:

i dont have a choice

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gbee:

f*** em

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jduggan:

;)

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jduggan:

i went 2years without touching windows.. new job made me use it.. some people just dont have a choice ;P

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test1:

hi again .. lil question : how is the .nuv of recording : is it a video of 50.00 FPS ? or 25 PFS? or stg else ?

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test1:

(frame rate)

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test1:

50?

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test1:

25?

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jamiem:

updating to 177.82 didn't help :)

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jamiem:

at least the installer doesn't get freaked out by Xen presence in the linux headers any more

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gbee:

I'm on 180.xx atm, but it was no better with 177.xx

[14:35:13]

gbee:

generally performance on this nvidia chipset has been really bad so far, lets hope that it's just the drivers and they'll improve soon

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gbee:

need to figure out why audio over hdmi is working for recordings, but not mythmusic

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dustybin:

I just bought a Nova-T 500 from PC world for £48, got home and installed, works ace :)

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dustybin:

time to record the xmas schedule :)

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aBs0lut30:

hey guys. I am looking to move to MythTV from vista MCE and have a question or two, first off, is there any way in mythtv to record only first run shows like there is in mce?

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iamlindoro__:

yes. you set the filter to "Ignore Generic and Repeat Episodes" fo each recording rule.

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aBs0lut30:

ok cool, thanks... Also, i have read a lot about issues with the ATI cards, personally I am a die hard ATI user, and have not had very good luck with Nvidia cards in the past, whats the real deal on this, are there any major issues or is it just a bit buggy? also do the Nvidia cards buy me anything over the ATI as far as myth would be concerned?

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jackson__:

Nvidia is currently the only game in town for hardware HD acceleration under linux (which is a brand spankin new development – not in the stable Myth release yet – give it three or so months?)

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, NVidia is currently preferred for a number of reasons. ATI *can* be made to more or less work, but it is somewhat buggy. nVidia works pretty darn well out of the box and with an 8xxx series or better, there is a new API for hardware offload of video decode-- which is lacking in ATI at the moment.

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iamlindoro__:

ATI has classicly been absolute agony with Myth (and ATI themselves said that Myth was unsupported) but it has improved in recent months-- Most (but not all) would still say that nVidia is the far more stable and capable choice for Myth, though

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aBs0lut30:

gotcha, reason I am not a big fan of Nvidia, I recently bought a 9800 (I think anyway, was like 300 bux) with HDMI output so I could hook up to my tv, the HDMI output was TERRIBLE! so I sent it back, I really need to get off the old vga port as I am getting a new home theater reciever with HDMI and want to run everything through it, that said anybody else useing/used HDMI output on the nvidia cards? if so how did it wor

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: having picked Nvidia again for this dev frontend/backend, I've got to say that we've all got massive blindspots when it comes to the nvidia drivers ;)

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gbee:

aBs0lut30: I've an ATI Radeon x1250 (IGP) with HDMI, it's in my main frontend, very happy with it

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iamlindoro__:

aBs0lut30: I am using HDMI out on an integrated 9300 card, and it works very very well

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: Then again, most of us haven't run into your issues either ;)

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_abbenormal:

hey iamlindoro__ mornin dude

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: I didn't have much bad to say about Nvidia with my past experiences, but my experience with this 8200 has left a very bad taste in my mouth

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_abbenormal:

aBs0lut30, i run nvidia dont have the 9300 but want one im using dvi to hdmi right now with very good luck and like it

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jackson__:

gbee, what difficulties have you had with the 8200? What's you're setup?

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gbee:

but I'm not alone, just earlier everyone was jumping onboard to say that firefox/video don't behave with their drivers ...

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iamlindoro__:

_abbenormal: good morning

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aBs0lut30:

yeah, I went and looked it was a PNY 9800 GX2 that I got, and as I said the HDMI output was awful, the colors were off, bad pixelation, the blacks were off was just not to happy... so that said, anybody got a suggestion on a "good" nvidia card with HDMI

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gbee:

jackson__: opengl performance is slow as hell, slower than the 4 year old 6200 in my laptop, 2D performance isn't anything to shout about either, the whole desktop becomes like treacle periodicially (right now I can't actually do much more than type)

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: heh, where everyone = one guy?

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iamlindoro__:

Anyway, my 9800 GT and 9300 IGP are both behaving very nicely in linux and with Myth. In the interest of full disclosure, so is my ATI 4850, but I personally love having video decode offload too much to use that right now.

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jackson__:

gbee, what mobo? Is this an actuall nvidia labeled geforce8200 mobo chipset, or something like the nforce 750 series mcp chipset (heck, is there a difference between the two?)?

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gbee:

iamlindoro__ I counted three or four people responding with the same problem in 15 minutes, I can't even find that many people with myth problems to respond so quickly

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aBs0lut30:

yeah offload would be nice as I am planning on trying to get a couple of the HD-PVR's up and running with my two HD directv boxes :D

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iamlindoro__:

aBs0lut30: So your option is an nvidia card with hardware offload, or a 3.0 Ghzish Core 2 Duo

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gbee:

jackson__: Asus M3N78

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aBs0lut30:

well, happen to already have a 2.8 Core 2 Duo so thats good, but the offload would be even better

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iamlindoro__:

2.8 should manage... barely/mostly

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aBs0lut30:

so, anyway how about the HD-PVR how hard is it to get that working

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iamlindoro__:

Well, requires that you compile your own driver, and compile your own copy of the development version of myth, which means religiously following the dev and commits lists from now on

[15:38:53]

iamlindoro__:

If you are comfortable with all of the above, then you are fine

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: my point would be that every single person here has probably run into Nvidia driver problems, more than once, but that for whatever reason we're still prepared to recommend them over ATi when many of those same people haven't tried their latest drivers/cards

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aBs0lut30:

well that sounds like lots of fun for a box I try not to mess with much ;)

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jackson__:

gbee, where's ATI's linux HD acceleration? :)

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gbee:

I'm no ATi shill – I wouldn't have bought the Nvidia board if I was, I'm just continually bemused by the prevailing attitudes

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gbee:

wtf?

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: I haven't run into problems :) And I would argue that you can find far far more people who plugged in the nvidia card, installed the driver and it "just worked" than with the same experience with ATI

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: Anyway, I think I was fairly even handed in my description of both-- mentioned the improvements to the ATI experience, mentioned that it can work fine, and mentioned that mine worked fine-- it's not as though I'm being unfair

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_abbenormal:

ill have to remember that iamlindoro__

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: sorry, but bullshit ... in the last 2–3 years of using an Nvidia card you've never hit one of the many driver issues affecting not just myth users (pink screen, tearing etc) but many others linux users?

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gbee:

you've either been extremely lucky or you never upgraded the drivers very much

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: I got the pink screen, admittedly, but it was easily fixed at that time-- anyway, why are you taking this out on me? I wasn't bagging on ATI.

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gbee:

iamlindoro__ and I'm not picking on you in particular

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gbee:

you're the one responding ;)

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_abbenormal:

cause he can this time iamlindoro

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iamlindoro__:

ugh, fine I'm going to work.

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gbee:

you should know by now that this is a topic which gets me worked up ;)

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_abbenormal:

lol

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** aBs0lut30 hides in the corner for mentoning the age old ATIvsNvidia debage **

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jackson__:

Maybe I'm in the minority, however I think that VDPAU (linux hardware acceleration of mpeg2, h.264, and vc-1 / wmv3) is a really big deal for mythtv.

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gbee:

I'm not saying that the ATi drivers are perfect, but neither are the nvidia ones and personally at this moment I regret buying nvidia over ATi

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aBs0lut30:

well, anybody have tips for switching from MCE to Myth? I really hate to make the move cause I love how simple MCE is to use and from what I have seen playing around with Myth its not that easy to setup and get working, but I am really pissed that Directv dropped their USB reciever box project for MCE so I want my HD NOW!

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gbee:

jackson__: had it come two years ago I might have agreed, but it's not as though the processors required for HD h.264 are high-end anymore – you don't need hardware acceleration to save £200 on a capable CPU

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_abbenormal:

well gbee choices thats all we have some are good and some turn out bad but at least we have them

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gbee:

it's a good thing, but it's nowhere near as important as it would have been in the past

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jackson__:

gbee, I have some capable SD mythfrontends that an nvidia VDPAU capable card would breath some great life into that I for various reasons, don't want the snowball affect of upgrading mobos, cpu, ram.

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gbee:

and we will see hardware acceleration with ATi cards, we know it's coming and I think we can be confident that it's not going to take them that long since the initial work was in the driver before anyone even know Nvidia were doing it

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gbee:

so I'm not really sure what relevance it has to the ATi vs Nvidia debate

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gbee:

s/know/knew/

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aBs0lut30:

so, what generation of card do you have to have to get the VDPAU?

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_abbenormal:

8200 or newer

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gbee:

8xxx, 9xxx (only some 9xxx have VC1)

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jackson__:

gbee, sure, I'll conceed that – hopefully the spirit of competition will take hold and something will come from ati sooner rather than later.

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gbee:

double check the model before you buy though, there are a couple of exceptions

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jackson__:

gbee, my 8200 based nforce 750a mcp does vc-1, as well as my g98 based 8400gs.

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aBs0lut30:

a 9800GT?

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gbee:

jackson__: interesting .... that seems to go against what Nvidia were saying, but I'll have to give a VC-1 sample a try I guess

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gbee:

well except for the g98 bit, already knew those were an exception to the rule

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jackson__:

gbee, nvidia was really wiffy waffy as to what 8200/8300 gpus would do vc1, but with 180.16, they had enabled mine.

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jackson__:

then again, I don't know what all the differences are in mobo chipsets like the geforce 8200 and the nforce 750

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jackson__:

aBs0lut30, according to the nvidia Geforece 9 wikipedia article, that's a g92 based card. should do mpeg2 and h.264 hardware acceleration via VDPAU, but not vc-1 or wmv3.

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aBs0lut30:

is there a chip that will run all 4?

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aBs0lut30:

cause that would be cool

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jackson__:

I had just gotten an ASUS EN8400GS SILENT 512MB card thta is g98 based and I've confirmed does it all. Be aware thta the 256MB card from ASUS does NOT.

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aBs0lut30:

Im looking at the wiki on the GTX 200 series, what do I look for to see what version of the chip its using?

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jackson__:

if you just want this to be a media box, no need for an expensive card.

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aBs0lut30:

it will be mainly a media box, no gaming or anything but some desktop functions, but I want to get a good card so I dont have to upgrade again for a while... but I do want to be able to run some 1080p through it and drive my plasma at 1080p

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jackson__:

nvidia has been pretty tight lipped on a comprehensive list of what cards are capable of. This VDPAU stuff is brand new (was introduced on 11/14/08) Caught people by surprise really.

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jackson__:

Here's the announcement which has the preliminary list of supported cards: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123091

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GreyFoxx:

I want one of the pico-itx atom boards with the nvidia chipset on it :)

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jackson__:

GreyFoxx, heck yea

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GreyFoxx:

I was drooling last night after seeing the photos and reading the articles :)

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GreyFoxx:

My Msntv2's will all be replaced :)

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jackson__:

right – that's one of the arguments for hardware offloading of video decoding – not NEEDING a large power hungry/loud box next to the tv...

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: The VC1 and WMV accel are actually the same accel

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aBs0lut30:

gotcha

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: So if you get a board that does h.264, MPEG-1/2, and VC1, you get WMV too-- that would be most of the integrated and mobile 9xxx, the newer 8400 GS, and apparently some integrated 8xxx series too

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gbee:

iamlindoro_

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gbee:

hey sorry ;)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: no worries

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: what CPUs go with those boards, Atom?

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iamlindoro_:

I hope they can get them out sooner than June, but I think Mini ITX would make me just as happy (Apple TV size is fine with me)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: yeah, Atom

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iamlindoro_:

the ECS/Pegatron board looks tempting

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iamlindoro_:

(in Mini ITX)

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gbee:

I like the idea, but I'll hold out for the new AMD Atom rival – lower power, plus the northbridge in my Atom netbook runs hot

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gbee:

of course we won't know until it actually arrives

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: One of the things I read said it was atom 330's, dualcore hyperthreading at 1.6ghz

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iamlindoro_:

Hope when XvBA is available that it's also on those low power AMD boards

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GreyFoxx:

so easily neough for the majority of all tasks and software decoding sdtv stuff

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GreyFoxx:

and the onboard 9400igp for vdpau

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GreyFoxx:

and it's TINY :)

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GreyFoxx:

no moving parts

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gbee:

if you see Nvidia IGPs on the Atom boards, you'll see them on the AMD too (well I hope)

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GreyFoxx:

So my low power, msntv2's are gonna get the boot since they can't handle hd material

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Hey, any commentary on what you've got planned for MythUI on OSDs? I think I can actually get off my butt enough to create a decent OSD theme, but not sure what changes are coming

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aBs0lut30:

so, back to the HD-PVR, you said I have to compile the driver for the box and compile from DEV on MythTV?

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: That's correct

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: my Atom netbook does great as an SD frontend, so yeah an Atom frontend should do fine, just if I'm going to save power I'd like to take it as far as possible (the Intel Northbridge isn't there yet)

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aBs0lut30:

how stable is the dev release?

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Saw a Humax Freesat PVR that had an OSD I thought was actually really neat and I might try to copycat it a bit

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder if anyone has a menu+osd screenshot collection from the various pvr's

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: Unstable-- but IMO perfectly usable in production if you know what you're doing and (probably most importantly) following the dev and commit mailing lists like your life depended on it

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: haven't given a lot of thought about what additions will be possible, but more freedom over layouts and the option to use graphical representations for things (icons instead of text)

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iamlindoro_:

As that's how you know whether updating or compiling a given revision will be 100% broken or nice and near-stable

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GreyFoxx:

One OSD/menu I HATE is the Tivo stuff I saw a couple years back

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gbee:

will have to see how animation works with the video, but animation should be possible

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aBs0lut30:

lol, well once again it comes down to how badly do I want my HD...

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Cool, One thing I was kind of hoping would be possible would be different layouts for the timelines for editing and playback mode-- ie the current setup when in edit mode, but a "mini timeline" in playback mode

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gbee:

iamlindoro_ that's what I want to see

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iamlindoro_:

nice

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.ukfree.tv/styles/images/upgrade2fr . . . reesat15.jpg

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iamlindoro_:

Thought that wasn't half bad in terms of layout

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GreyFoxx:

I tried that VDPAU renderer and man it was quick

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gbee:

current OSD revolves around ~4 defined popups, not really that flexible

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iamlindoro_:

and maybe when/if animations are in, the ability to "explode/collapse" the decription

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iamlindoro_:

ie the OSD "slides open" to reveal the plot

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dustybin:

I've managed to setup multi-rec, so if my sister was watching live TV, and I wanted to watch live TV, 2 seperate tuners would be used so nobody would get stuck in the same mux of channels. That part works ok, however, how does multi-rec behave when you have upcoming recordings and you are watching live TV? Will MythTV use the other spare tuner / encoders so nobody gets stuck in the same mux? I can get that working without multi-rec using the

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: faster than opengl?

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: was faster than opengl by 40% or so here

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GreyFoxx:

yeah quite a bit faster

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GreyFoxx:

there was some scaling issues in afew places

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gbee:

really, weird – would have assumed it was the same pipeline and Chutt initially said it was fractionally slower (which made sense)

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GreyFoxx:

but it was really suprisingly fast

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gbee:

might try it at the weekend

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GreyFoxx:

once those scaling issues get sorted it could be a good alternative

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GreyFoxx:

though I was just running the menus

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gbee:

right now my real problem are the QT rendered old UI screens, with this GPU (yes, I'm ragging on Nvidia again) they are taking well over 10 seconds to appear

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GreyFoxx:

never started playback and such

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GreyFoxx:

that's just crazy

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aBs0lut30:

so one last questio for today, how much power would I need to have two of the HD-PVR boxes recording HD programs at once?

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iamlindoro_:

With all the problems you've had I'm left wondering if it's a buggy hardware implementation

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: recording is practically no CPU

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gbee:

I have to believe it just driver issues, maybe they aren't even aware

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: the HD-PVRs are doing all the work, the system just dumps the stream to disk

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aBs0lut30:

well thats good to know, well I guess I am going to have to get ready to start messing with this, I just hate doing a bunch of work cause I cant watch tv while i'm working on it :(

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aBs0lut30:

anyway, thanks for the info guys, I am sure I will be back with more questions later....

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: You might want to try posting to the nvnews.net linux forum

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gbee:

aBs0lut30: I don't have the exact figures to hand, but we've had people recording 20 channels at once on a Celeron 800Mhz etc

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GreyFoxx:

they are usually responsive

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aBs0lut30:

WOW thats fairly impressive

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: If you're concerned about all the setup, I highly recommend Mythbuntu as a starting point

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iamlindoro_:

as that will at least set up a light WM and most of your hardware, and installing the HD-PVR driver and Myth from source from there would be your only real hurdles

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gbee:

aBs0lut30: like iamlindoro said, recording takes almost no CPU – playback on the other hand ...

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aBs0lut30:

well, I'm not really concerned, I am pretty comfortable with linux, I just hate doing work on that box... but I think its worth it at this point to get my HD working,

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aBs0lut30:

ohhh, I do have one more question, how well does the internet streaming work? dont know if anyone is fimaillar with it but I am using WebGuide on MCE and it works pretty well

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: I like to believe I am fairly capable when it comes to this stuff, but I will admit that when setting up a box quick, I have often used mythbuntu as a starting point-- no shame in letting someone else handle the small stuff for you

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aBs0lut30:

very true :D

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: MythWeb has built in flash streaming-- it's a highly experimental feature. You can also do ASX streaming and direct downloads from Mythweb

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iamlindoro_:

so "light" streaming and "full" streaming, more or less

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aBs0lut30:

well, I think I read somewhere about somebody getting it working with the iPhone, that ring a bell?

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aBs0lut30:

cause that would be AWESOM!

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, trunk Mythweb has a iphone interface, including video playback

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aBs0lut30:

SCHWEET!!!!

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aBs0lut30:

cant wait to try that out, well looks like I have a nice project for the next couple of weeks

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iamlindoro_:

IIRC it does the transcodes to iphone format in advance, so it require a titch more disk space, but for me that would not bother me

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aBs0lut30:

getting everything setup like i want it will be fun I am sure... but sounds like it will be well worth it

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: ok, I'll do that at the weekend (again if I get time)

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aBs0lut30:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

Oh you THINK it'll be a project for the next few weeks, but in a few months you'll be yelling at people in here for not reading the wiki and complaining about $CableCompany

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aBs0lut30:

haha :D

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dustybin:

i have another idea, my setup now has 4 tuners, i would like to keep 2 of those tuners free at all times for live tv, and i would like to use multi-rec on the other 2 tuners, is there a way to make sure that live tv always uses the tuners without multi-rec ?

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aBs0lut30:

well thanks for the help man, I have got to run but I will be back thats for sure :D

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Not possible to designate a "live TV" tuner

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dustybin:

dam :(

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iamlindoro_:

aBs0lut30: You are welcome

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iamlindoro_:

I had thought about adding the ability to call a tuner a Live TV only tuner, though, should be pretty simple

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dustybin:

what does it mean to have high and low prioerty tuners? is that for recordings?

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: It's for a number of things-- actually, sphery is the best at understanding/explaining how the order tuners are defined/priorities are given affects what is scheduled/used for LiveTV, you should ask him

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dustybin:

ok thanks :)

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** Dibblah waits for the screams of anguish. **

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iamlindoro_:

I can't scream, my jaw won't go back in the socket ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Well at least it's well comment... erm... never mind.

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Dibblah:

Hey, it's better than it was.

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Dibblah:

At least it's no longer a monolithic block query.

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, it's not too terrible, just being a goof

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kormoc:

it's fairly aggressive :P

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sphery:

dustybin: actually the best at explaining how it works is Bruce M.--who explained it at http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 (and, really, you should read all of http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html because many other things affect priority). If you don't want to take the time, though, just Delete all capture cards and then re-create cards, then re-connect inputs, but this time in the order from most ...

[17:15:57]

sphery:

... preferred to least preferred. That's the best configuration. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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iamlindoro_:

Seems it shouldn't be too terrible to add a DB value in capturecard akin to LiveTVOnly and check that value when scheduling, would just need to make sure to suppress display of those as conflicts

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** iamlindoro_ realizes he's contemplating adding a feature that pertains to LiveTV and wonders whether he is in fact quite drunk **

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dustybin:

sphery: i got it working!!!

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dustybin:

the first 2 tuners are automatically picked for live tv

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dustybin:

and the other 2 tuners have 3 encoders each

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wagnerrp:

what cards do you have with three independent inputs?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Think he's using multirec

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wagnerrp:

well i figured out my problem with zoneminder

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt support v4l2, at least not fully

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wagnerrp:

so i have to frameserve to it with vlc

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sid3windr:

patch it use it quick-commit it!

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wagnerrp:

except mpjpeg streaming in vlc 0.9x is borked

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wagnerrp:

so i have to use 0.8x to stream

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wagnerrp:

except 0.8x doesnt support v4l2

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sid3windr:

sounds like fun!

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wagnerrp:

so i have to capture in 0.9x, stream to 0.8x, then stream to zoneminder

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wagnerrp:

all to get a little cheap $15 cam working

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: But why waste a capture card? Meaning, if it's there and not in use, why not use it for recordings when necessary? Users can decide, "LiveTV is more important than this recording," by simply going to Watch/Delete Recordings and selecting, "Stop Recording," then watching LiveTV. Or they can watch recordings. :)

[18:00:08]

wagnerrp:

does it pop up some sort of warning when going into livetv? saying all tuners are already in use?

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sphery:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I presume for occasions in which there are varying levels of user on one system (ie SWMBO) who just want to "watch TV." But anyway, I've already decided against it as it doesn't benefit me ;)

[18:00:40]

sphery:

that's the indicator that you should go to watch recordings (and either stop one or watch one).

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sphery:

I think it may also ask if you want to watch one of the recordings in progress...

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GreyFoxx:

Bah

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like I have a failing pvr250

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 1 card that consistantly gives crappy picture now which use to be perfect

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GreyFoxx:

and moving the coax between that and another pvr250 in the same box makes no difference

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GreyFoxx:

So it's not the signal

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GreyFoxx:

and the settings haven't changed in years

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GreyFoxx:

Might be time to bury this hard worked soldier :)

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iamlindoro_:

What an opportune time to convert to an HD-PVR :)

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GreyFoxx:

hah

[18:05:23]

GreyFoxx:

Well I do have full firewire

[18:05:39]

GreyFoxx:

but if I switch to a sat provider the hd-pvr will be on the list :)

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iamlindoro_:

I need to buy another for my "integrate HD-PVR and HDFury2 into chassis" project

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder if it's my oem 250 or the pvr freestyle

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gbee:

iam: plenty of photos? :)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I may go through the whole thing twice as the first time through may be ugly-- but yeah :)

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iamlindoro_:

already planning a fully photo-annotated DVB-S update to the wiki over Christmas

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: it's not a PVR-250 that arrived in a small box on your doorstep, is it?

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sid3windr:

back when it was still a pvr 125

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sid3windr:

but after come loving care, it turned out to be a very nice and strong pvr 250 !

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wagnerrp:

i cannot figure out how to get two instances of vlc to live on the same system

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wagnerrp:

they both seem to have /usr/lib64/vlc hardcoded into them for plugins

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wagnerrp:

and i cannot figure out where

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iamlindoro_:

ah, there, that should work nicely: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index. . . . cts_id=22292

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gbee:

won't be the full path, only thing you can search for, unhelpfully is "vlc"

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: anyway, if it's one of yours, don't go out and buy a replacement as you have 4 PVR-x50's on the way (mailed Dec 11, USPS--estimated (not guaranteed) 6–10 days shipping, IIRC)

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gregL:

GreyFoxx, : I recently had a 150 fail...The wire form the coax socket,broke and the signal was ghosting and wavy... A little solder fixed it..You might want to check that..

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dustybin:

sphery: check this out: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/multi-rec.png the first 2 encoders will only get used for live tv, encoders 3–8 are spread across the other 2 tuners for recording only!! it works perfectly!!!!

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: I'm after one of those

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: The cable? What have you got planned?

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dustybin:

my box now one _serious_ recording machine :)

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dustybin:

*is

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sphery:

dustybin: isn't that what we set up a week or so ago? Did you re-do it?

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sphery:

You only had 2 cards then, right?

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dustybin:

sphery: i only had 2 tuners then, i got 2x frontends, so that means 1 tuner each reserved for live tv is essential

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dustybin:

1 card, 2 tuners

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sid3windr:

1card2tuners.com

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dustybin:

now i got 2 cards, 4 tuners

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dustybin:

Nova-T 500 dual tuner!

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sphery:

note that with that construct it's possible that 2 recordings on the same mux will use 2 different capture cards (because of the way encoders are chosen--which is pretty much a first-available basis from highest-priority to lowest)

[18:16:10]

wagnerrp:

are you actually watching something different than what youre recording?

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sphery:

but if you want to prefer LiveTV, it's the way to go

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dustybin:

ive tested lots of different variations, like watching live tv, then recording, or recording, then watching live tv, the live tv tuners are always used first for live tv and the other 2 multi-rec tuners are only used for recordings!

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jamesd:

is there really more than 3 programs showing at any given moment that are worth recording?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: nothing special, I've got a drive bay mounted USB hub thingy that for some stupid reason has a USB B connector instead of connecting direct to a header, I used to loop the cable out the back but I don't want to do that any more

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Yeah, would be nice to get it in under 24" length but I can live with that

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iamlindoro_:

Would be nice to power it from the PSU instead of passthrough, too, will need to think about that

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wagnerrp:

you know youre just going to cause a rash of 'i saw an HDMI tuner card that worked with mythtv, where can i buy'

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: The answer will be "I hear Iamlindoro does that for a reasonable markup"

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dustybin:

now its time to record the xmas line up :_

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gbee:

3 minutes, you should be done by now dusty

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dustybin:

grrr those sticky blue windows on mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

sphery cool! thank you very much. I hope shipping wasn't expensive (the failing one has been in VERY heavy use since 2003

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gbee:

postit notes, you should find they peel straight off the screen

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dustybin:

oh dear, the only thing worth recording is the queens speech

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Plus, it's another reason to speed the death of framegrabbers! ;)

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iamlindoro_:

"Oh, myth doesn't support your crap card out of the box? Well, you can RECOMPILE IT YOURSELF (scaryscary) or you can buy this nice hardware encoder here..."

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i put one of those in my parent's computer a few years back

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wagnerrp:

i guess that was before the internal USB connector actually became standard

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wagnerrp:

(even though every header i have ever seen has been identical)

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iamlindoro_:

Sheesh, you'd figure someone would have a Molex 5V rail to external style DC jack

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gbee:

that one would be easy to make up though

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wagnerrp:

is it a 5V brick?

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iamlindoro_:

yes, it's a 5V brick

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gbee:

well, maybe not crimping the molex pins

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Yeah, Will make one if necessary

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

they exist, iamlindoro_

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wagnerrp:

i see plenty that go the other direction, DC supply with molex connectors

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sid3windr:

I saw slot backplates which connected to the psu internally, with some output on the other side

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sid3windr:

"to connect your speakers without using an extra wall socket" and such

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sid3windr:

or your usb hub or whatnot

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sid3windr:

if only I knew where I saw it

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iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: Yeah, like gbee says it's simple enough to cook one up but I tend to like to leave as little to chance as possible

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iamlindoro_:

Would be extra nice to do it from another USB header connector and thus do both from one connection, but USB only does 500 mA IIRC

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 5V 500mA

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wagnerrp:

you would probably have to chain 6 together to get enough power

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Are you handy with a soldering iron?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Handy enough to accomplish this, anyway

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sebrock:

where is the proper way to disable upnp/DNLA on the backend?

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directhex:

afaik you can't disable it, it's used for frontends to detect the backend

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sebrock:

ok... how does it broadcast? I think it may be visible from outside my LAN

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iamlindoro_:

It's not

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sebrock:

so it does not broadcast itself like lets say ushare does?

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iamlindoro_:

upnp is multicast. You'd have to actively work at passing it outside your LAN

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GreyFoxx:

It broadcasts using multicast, it wont pass your router unless you explictly set it to do so

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sebrock:

ah alright

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sphery:

That should teach Brad to make a valid point (about running an atom-based master backend with MySQL database)... He got told to get some pills (based on implications, probably by a North American user who doesn't run mythfilldatabase properly--i.e. who crons it, and likely because he has an underpowered system running his MySQL DB).

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kormoc:

Wheee.... drama...

[20:00:41]

Dagmar:

linkie?

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Dagmar:

I need a pick me up. My boss in on my ass about the night shift not getting things done.

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Dagmar:

If it were up to me, they'd already be fired.

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Dagmar:

Nevermind... It only took five emails to convince me I don't want to read mythtv-users

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Dagmar:

"My machine is too slow to transcode properly, so I r wanting to be havings it transcodes while recordings and then to be watching the transcodes before commercial flagging in realtimes"

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squish102:

is there anything in mythtv or anything on the roadmap to make somethign like orb.com to watch your recordings on your iphone/win mobile 6 phone?

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kormoc:

pre-transcode your recordings and you can already watch them on your iphone

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iamlindoro_:

MythTV trunk already has an iphone interface that is capable of watching recordings

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iamlindoro_:

whoops, too slow

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squish102:

thanks

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squish102:

i will go check out the wiki for more info, which is what i should have done in the first place ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Don't imagine there's much on it in the wiki, it's brand new

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iamlindoro_:

(and only in trunk)

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squish102:

oh, ok, the only trunk i know belongs to an elephant

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iamlindoro_:

Then hang in there for .22 and you can play

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** iamlindoro_ pokes kormoc to put his transcode script in contrib when he's done **

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squish102:

any idea how far off .22 is?

[20:24:35]

iamlindoro_:

how long is a piece of string?

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Dagmar:

Years.

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, from the start to the end

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iamlindoro_:

GlemSom: Sorry, the correct answer is "twice as long as a half-piece of string"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I am planning on ir :)

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squish102:

is there a feature freeze for .22?

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, heh :)

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iamlindoro_:

squish102: What, now? No.

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squish102:

ok so Dagmar is right then

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kormoc:

squish102, we are months away at the least

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kormoc:

I doubt it'll be more then a few thousand years

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squish102:

haha

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kormoc:

I at least plan to be feature complete in the next century or so

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GlemSom:

I've setup mythtv to use EIT for channel data... This works great on all – except one transponder... How should I go about debugging that? (using the eit flag for loglevel on the mythbackend does not seem to give me anything usefull)

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GlemSom:

ohh, I just sat this in my log: StartActiveScan called with 17 multiplexes But I have 19 multiplexes... ? I wonder why it will not scan the last two?

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gbee:

Does at least one channel on each mux have "Use On Air Guide" enabled?

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GlemSom:

gbee, I cannot quite seem to find that option? (using 0.21-fixes19390)

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gbee:

GlemSom: mythtv-setup, Edit Channels, Select a channel on a multiplex, press select (enter) – should be an option there

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GlemSom:

gbee, oh there... Yes, it's ticked..

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gbee:

and there are definately 19 muxes in the database?

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GlemSom:

I just checked with phpmyadmin...I'm looking at the table dtv_multiplex – saying: Showing rows 0 – 18 (19 total, Query took 0.0002 sec)

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janneg:

GlemSom: SELECT DISTINCT mplexid FROM channel WHERE useonairguide = 1;

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GlemSom:

That uhhm.. have me: Showing rows 0 – 17 (18 total, Query took 0.0003 sec) (what am i missing here...)

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GlemSom:

I'm a bit unsire what that tells me? That I've missed a "useonairguide" somewhere?

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iamlindoro_:

Sheesh, try finding < 1 ft runs of common cables some time

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Dagmar:

That's because < 3ft is a violation of ethernet spec

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wagnerrp:

seriously? why?

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Dagmar:

It can fail for hte same reason your friends might complain if you talk *right into their ear*

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Dagmar:

Too much signal can screw things up as badly as too little

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wagnerrp:

ah, just overvolting

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kormoc:

the only problem with that is they never thought about wiring closets

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kormoc:

6" cables were amazingly userful at times

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, I don't *want* ethernet cables

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iamlindoro_:

So can't imagine what its spec has to do with anything

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wagnerrp:

you just dont know that you want ethernet cables

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, you never really said what type of cable, so Dagmar was only guessing

[22:01:23]

iamlindoro_:

I want < 1 ft of various types, actually, but none of them ethernet

[22:01:40]

Dagmar:

Coat hangers.

[22:01:56]

Dagmar:

Low signal loss, cheap, durable, and freaks people the hell out

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iamlindoro_:

optical x 2, component x 2, rca x2

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iamlindoro_:

Given the expensiveness of the equipment involved and my desire not to do it twice, I'll likely buy *actual* cables (as freaking people out is only my second or third priority ;) )

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Dagmar:

You can get seriously steampunk with coat hangers and some leather strips

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i usually just use AWG18 scavaged from ethernet cables for all my bulk wire needs

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Dagmar:

Heck, I've used it for shower curtain hooks

[22:05:53]

Dagmar:

That wazy plastic wire coating works a LOT better than you'd expect.]

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janneg:

bah, the second hard freeze today

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dustybin:

Dagmar: ive discovered ettercap, what a fun tool :)

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kormoc:

dustybin, you've never heard of wireshark?

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Dagmar:

They have a nice thing on their forum that explains how easily one can abduct MACs too

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kormoc:

ifconfig eth0 HW ether 11:22:33:44:55:66?

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Dagmar:

That just presents a race condition.

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dustybin:

kormoc: ive heard of it but never used it

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Dagmar:

What you wanna do is spam phony announcements about once a second

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kormoc:

ahh, I see

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Dagmar:

Granted it's a race condition you'll almsot always win against Windows boxes

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dustybin:

i managed to poision the ARP and target a user and replaced all web images with anything i want

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Dagmar:

...but the general idea is to get your entry in everyone's cache before they can go an ARP query

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** dustybin looks forward to using friends wireless again **

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Dagmar:

That won't work so well

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dustybin:

dam

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Dagmar:

Wireless gets a little "interesting" if your MAC changes, or a wireless device shows up with more than one of them

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dustybin:

:(

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iamlindoro_:

Oh Monoprice, how I love thee

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iamlindoro_:

(and I am dumb for not checking you first)

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** dustybin ettercaps iamlindoro_ **

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iamlindoro_:

It seems to have escaped you what the boundary of a packet sniffer is

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: your packets smell of oranges :P

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kormoc:

and your father smelt of elderberries!

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fuxxy:

What's the logic behind the "chanid" column in the database table "channel" ? I'm wanting to manually add channels that mythtv's scan didn't pick up, but I don't want to pick something that won't bork later if I run another channel scan on a new input.

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kormoc:

it's a absolutely unique id for the row in that table I'd imagine

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Dagmar:

Perhaps even the key field

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fuxxy:

It does seem to be a unique ID.

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fuxxy:

so I'm assuming I can just fill any missing chanid, as long as there is not an existing entry, and it's not higher than the last one.

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kormoc:

shouldn't matter if it's higher or not as long as it's not used

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fuxxy:

I'm just not sure how mythtv's scan knows where to continue the table.. if it is "smart" enough to check if a chanid is currently in the table.

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kormoc:

it's likely a auto-increment column

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kormoc:

which means myth doesn't assign a id, the database does

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fuxxy:

awesome

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fuxxy:

so I can enter to my heart's content :)

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fuxxy:

I agree, mythtv is a good way to learn mysql :)

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sphery:

actually Myth chooses the chanid, but the specific value isn't important

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clever:

fuxxy: yeah, i use sql all the time to peek at things the ui wont let me see

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sphery:

Still, the /right/ way to do things is to rescan (and figure out why Myth isn't picking up the channel).

[23:51:28]

sphery:

Likely just didn't do the right scan.

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fuxxy:

sphery, tried and tried.

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clever:

i usualy avoid editing the db directly

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fuxxy:

clever, did you ever get your RAM?

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sphery:

fuxxy: I'm assuming since you're scanning it's a digital channel, right?

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fuxxy:

sphery, correct.

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clever:

fuxxy: ive lost a stick in the acer, but havent gained any recently

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sphery:

then you'll need a /lot/ more than just an entry in channel to make the channel work.

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fuxxy:

sphery, I know.

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clever:

pid and transport atleast, id think

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fuxxy:

I've done this before, but at the time wasn't worried about borking db

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clever:

and in the transport table, the freq and stuff

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fuxxy:

The only thing that throws me off is the mplexid

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fuxxy:

that is something that hdhomerun's scan doesn't record.

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jams:

ugh i'm about to throw this readynas out the window

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jams:

dang thing won't boot anymore

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janneg:

remove the HDDs first

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jams:

already done

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