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Monday, December 15th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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justinh:

oh dear hell. xmas theme subject popped up on -users now

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iamlindoro__:

Love the example they picked

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if Dish Network will sell you a sub if you can only point at one of their birds **

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justinh:

I still have my working files from the attempt I made a while back, I think

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iamlindoro__:

Also wonder if my neighbors would go nuts if I had to lean the arm ever so slightly off my deck

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justinh:

depends how mean / litigious they are I suppose ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

yep, would come down to that

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iamlindoro__:

There's *one* tree in the way of a straight line at the primary DN bird...

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iamlindoro__:

But I don't know enough about satellite to know if that's enough to get reception

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justinh:

a clear view of the horizon is needed AFAIK

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iamlindoro__:

and wondering just how "in the right neighborhood you can be and still get a signal, ie, if I aim a few degrees off of line of sight, would I get anything?

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justinh:

or at least a clear view at the right inclination

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justinh:

a few degrees is a lot

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justinh:

even with a 60cm dish with analogue sat it made the difference between signal & mush

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iamlindoro__:

Per dishpointer, the line of sight is *right* through the very edge of the branches

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iamlindoro__:

I have given some thought to complaining about something about the tree to get it trimmed back

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** justinh hands iamlindoro__ a chainsaw **

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iamlindoro__:

I had also thought about that... in the dead of night, of course ;)

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justinh:

yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! YYYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGG!

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iamlindoro__:

exactly ;)

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justinh:

if there's nobody awake to hear a chainsaw do its stuff, does it still make a sound? :P

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Anduin:

the electric ones can be very quiet, assuming you don't have a good blight/beetle supplier

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iamlindoro__:

I'm too honest to do the "A branch fell on my dog! I want that tree removed IMMEDIATELY or I'll sue!"

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justinh:

my electric one is noisy as hell

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justinh:

as loud as a petrol model

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justinh:

pretty lousy too. not suitable for cutting down actual trees as such.. (user interface issues)

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, I can point their 148 bird easily, which is apparently all international programming... but they're moving their 129 degree bird to that location in February, so... I guess I'll have to see

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justinh:

did I really just say "user interface issues" about a chainsaw? lol

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justinh:

I have respect for all power tools, but the ultimate is reserved for that particular machine. I like having the correct number of appendages

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, My grandfather lost a finger to one

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iamlindoro__:

Was cutting down a tree, went to go shoo away a squirrel, which bit him. the bite became infected, lost the finger. In short, chainsaw's fault.

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justinh:

ouchy

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gregL:

iamlindoro, I think they will come to your home and do a site evaluation..Around here it's free..

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iamlindoro__:

luckily my grandfather is a mean old frenchman who likes to scare children

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iamlindoro__:

gregL, Yeah, had thought about it. Good idea. Mostly just need to get off my ass

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iamlindoro__:

(as is always the trick)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: if it's any consolation the dish doesn't have to be solidly mounted for erm.. testing

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, luckily the neighbors likely so I don't expect too many complaints

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iamlindoro__:

er like me

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iamlindoro__:

(not sure how that sentence happened)

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Circuitsoft:

Ok.

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iamlindoro__:

I actually mucked in the muddy crawlspace today running coax to a nice new plate on the outside. Figure if I can'

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iamlindoro__:

t get a dish going, I can start trying ATSC again (even though I'm in a signal suckhole)

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Circuitsoft:

I've updated my graphics drivers, ogl works fine now, I've installed msttcorefonts, and I still don't see any text in mythtv-setup

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Gizwiz:

Will mythtv work with a hauppauge PVR-4000 card?

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justinh:

more to the point, will the pvr-4000 card work in linux?

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iamlindoro__:

Moreover, is there such a thing as a PVR-4000

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iamlindoro__:

(no)

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Gizwiz:

sry, hvr-4000

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Gizwiz:

it's x88 based (or is it 88x?)

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sphery:

Circuitsoft: mythfrontend -O Theme=blue (or if that doesn't work, try Theme=G.A.N.T (yes, without the final period) or Theme=Titivillus or ...) Might be a busted theme

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justinh:

Gizwiz: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=file;file=l . . . -1;style=raw

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Circuitsoft:

Does mythtv-setup accept the same options?

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Circuitsoft:

No difference with any of those.

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Circuitsoft:

And all give me lots of RenderBadPicture errors

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Gizwiz:

Justinh, so that means it's supported?

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justinh:

it says so

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Gizwiz:

The KnoppMythR5.5 is formatting my second partition now... I had to mark my windows partition non-bootable, does it not install a boot-manager?

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Gizwiz:

justinh, thanks :)

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Circuitsoft:

sphery: Any ideas?

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CaptObviousman:

seppuku?

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jsumners:

Circuitsoft: what video card do you hav?

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jsumners:

s/hav/have

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Circuitsoft:

video card is an onboard radeon hd 3200

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Circuitsoft:

using fglrx

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jsumners:

hmm

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jsumners:

what version of xorg?

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jsumners:

`X -version`

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clever:

!ping

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Gizwiz:

Hmmm – so I installed MythTv, and choose danish as a language. How do I change it to English?

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Circuitsoft:

x.org 1.4.2

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jsumners:

okay, this is odd. i can start mythfrontend in a window and it works fine. if i start it fullscreen i get no menu

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jsumners:

Circuitsoft: so far i don't see anything that links our problems. i have an nvidia card and xorg 1.5.x

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Circuitsoft:

Perhaps ought I ask in #mythtv?

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Circuitsoft:

How do I start myth in a window?

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jsumners:

Circuitsoft: start X, open a terminal, and type `mythfrontend -w` or `myth-setup -w`

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Circuitsoft:

Invalid argument: -w

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iamlindoro__:

The question does not belong in #mythtv

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Circuitsoft:

ok

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Circuitsoft:

I just wonder if this is something that should be brought to devs, as I don't see too many other users with these issues.

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Circuitsoft:

Gizwiz – Is there a ~/.mythtv folder?

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Circuitsoft:

Just guessing.

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Gizwiz:

checking.....

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Dagmar:

Most other users read the documentation, as well as look through the frontend setup menus first.

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Dagmar:

This is why they don't have a problem starting MythTv in a window

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iamlindoro__:

No. It should not be. #mythtv is for discussion relating to development. Not user support, or even bugs. That discussion belongs here.

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Circuitsoft:

ok

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jsumners:

Dagmar: that isn't very eas when you don't even have a menu

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Circuitsoft:

Dagmar: Frontend setup menus don't work.

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Circuitsoft:

That's the issue I'm trying to solve.

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Dagmar:

Circuitsoft: Then you should talk to the people who built your binary wrong

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Circuitsoft:

"deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main"

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Dagmar:

jsumners: You can *try* `LOCALE=en_US mythtv-setup` and look for a language option

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iamlindoro__:

ew, isn't debian multimedia still non-fixes?

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Circuitsoft:

As specified at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid

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Circuitsoft:

I have no idea.

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iamlindoro__:

mythbackend --version

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Circuitsoft:

MythTV Version : exporté

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Circuitsoft:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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iamlindoro__:

revision?

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Circuitsoft:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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jsumners:

Dagmar: i get the menu if i start mythfrontend in a window. if i start it fullscreen all i get is the background image

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iamlindoro__:

someone broke your revision string, oh well

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Circuitsoft:

I get the menu, but the text won't render.

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Dagmar:

jsumners: You're telling me this why?

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Circuitsoft:

Anywhere, akin to pastebin, where I can upload a screenshot?

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jsumners:

because you suggested a fix to a problem i am not having

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Dagmar:

No, I suggested something to someone else.

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clever:

Circuitsoft: imageshack.us

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jsumners:

[20:55] <Dagmar> jsumners: You can *try* `LOCALE=en_US mythtv-setup` and look for a language option

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Dagmar:

Your problem is that your X isn't setup right or the fonts would work in fullscreen.

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Dagmar:

So you've fixed the problem from setting the language wrong?

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Circuitsoft:

LOCALE didn't help.

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** Dagmar gives up **

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jsumners:

if you can't follow the conversation i'm not going to keep trying to explain it

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Dagmar:

That makes two of us.

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Circuitsoft:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7432/screen1ga0.png

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Circuitsoft:

Pressing ESC 3 times gets me out.

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Dagmar:

If the install is so new, why not just blow it away and start over?

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Dagmar:

...instead of spending hours chasing down what got set wrong

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Dagmar:

Either way, if there's two of you with the same install, and the same problem, I'd go after the people who made the binary

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Gizwiz:

ok, changed the language. How do I stop the backend so I can re-configure it?

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Dagmar:

Just kill it

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Circuitsoft:

Well, I've already blown away several installs completely started over and this is where I am now.

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Gizwiz:

...how?

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Dagmar:

killall mythbackend

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Circuitsoft:

killall mythbackend

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Gizwiz:

thanks

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Circuitsoft:

This is further than I've gotten before.

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Circuitsoft:

This is the first time I've gotten any driver other than VESA to even display on my TV.

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Dagmar:

Well, you could try MythBuntu possibly

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Circuitsoft:

After going through four different distros.

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Circuitsoft:

I tried mythbuntu first.

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Dagmar:

Ah you might want to just get a basic X and whatevre desktop environment working *first*

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Circuitsoft:

That was where I got VESA working.

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Circuitsoft:

Then I tried Gentoo/amd64 and Gentoo/x86

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but you're probably using a card that can do better than VESA for one thing

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Circuitsoft:

Then Debian/lenny/amd64

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Circuitsoft:

Now I'm on Debian/lenny/x86, and I finally got fglrx working.

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Gizwiz:

How do I know what card-type to set my HVR4000 to? (it's got 4 tuners, but I just want to use one of them , the DVB-T)

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Gizwiz:

it's # 68 in this list: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=file;file=l . . . -1;style=raw

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a1fa:

hey, does anybody remember what is that ha project based on ubuntu that also includes mythtv?

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Gizwiz:

KnoppMyth

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Gizwiz:

'nite

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a1fa:

nah

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a1fa:

not it

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a1fa:

home aumotatization, foo

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iamlindoro__:

includes *ancient* myth

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iamlindoro__:

LinuxMCE

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a1fa:

ah :(

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a1fa:

sucks

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a1fa:

i just need something to control my garden lights

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a1fa:

lawl

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Circuitsoft:

a1fa mythbuntu

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iamlindoro__:

Circuitsoft, Mythbuntu is not a Home Automation project

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Circuitsoft:

ok

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kslater:

I did an upgrade of my system from .20 to .21. I saved off the tables as suggested in section 23.5 of the docs. But episodes from old series are coming back on the upcoming list. I completely populated the rows of oldrecorded. What gives?

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jsumners:

hmmm. looks like my issue has something to do with ratpoison. odd

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Lexridge:

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** iamlindoro thinks sphery is laying in wait for any an all incoming mailing list messages **

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wagnerrp:

like a tiger, waiting to devour the ignorant

[05:17:16]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: does your webcam have some auto-sensitivity capability?

[05:17:33]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: like auto-ISO?

[05:17:49]

wagnerrp:

auto-anything for changing light

[05:18:28]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: It seems to, to some extent. With very bright light, though, it does overexpose. It's nothing fancy (just some little creative webcam)

[05:18:40]

wagnerrp:

the one i picked up does it automatically under windows

[05:19:05]

wagnerrp:

and the v4l settings in sysfs seem to indicate it does as well under linux

[05:19:17]

wagnerrp:

only it does nothing

[05:19:45]

wagnerrp:

i can set it manually, and if nothing else, i can always just write up some cron script to automatically change it at different times of day

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iamlindoro:

Mine seems to have v4l controls for exposure/backlight compensation/etc. but the rather simple program I'm using it with likely is too dumb to know about them

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clever:

my cheap webcam has a daylight setting under windows that lets it work well under bright light

[05:35:41]

clever:

but under linux it allmost allways solid white durring the day

[05:36:05]

clever:

the color is off too, dark rooms show up in brown

[05:38:08]

wagnerrp:

well i tore out the IR filter on mine, so the color is going to be wrong

[05:39:08]

clever:

currently, im just using my cheap camera to take snapshots of the STB to verify that the channel changer is working

[05:46:19]

wagnerrp:

i love old hardware

[05:46:34]

wagnerrp:

network card has an irq error, so since its network booting, it cannot boot

[05:46:43]

wagnerrp:

turn off some stuff in the bois... irq error

[05:46:49]

wagnerrp:

remove cards... irq error

[05:46:58]

wagnerrp:

turn off nearly everything... irq error

[05:47:13]

wagnerrp:

reset the cmos so everything gets turned back on... problem solved

[05:47:33]

Dagmar:

Perhaps over time you've forgotten the joys of manual IRQ allocation

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wagnerrp:

the board doesnt seem to allow manual IRQ allocation

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wagnerrp:

the only settings are 'auto' or 'reserved'

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wagnerrp:

i cant manually bind a slot to an irq

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you should be allowed to set four IRQs to be used by PCI

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Dagmar:

...and anything that's locked, jumpered, or softset to an IRQ you protect by setting that IRQ to reserved so the BIOS won't allocate it to a device

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Dagmar:

s/devices/PCI device/

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stoneymonster:

any suggestions on why myth might be ignoring the hdpvr profiles and always recording at low bitrate? I'm using latest trunk but without the special patches...

[05:54:11]

wagnerrp:

are these the original profiles modified to your tastes? or completely new profiles?

[05:54:26]

wagnerrp:

mythtv tends to ignore non-original profiles

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stoneymonster:

the originals I think...

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stoneymonster:

although, now that I think about it, when I first upgraded to trunk, I had an "HD-PVR recorders" profile group that was empty. I manually added a "Default" profile to it

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, that's pretty much it... When I'm watching TV, I tend to check the list on commercials. :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: also, did you see the nice YL comment on the "cannot play" ticket? "Note that this is indeed a workaround; the underlying bug within the mythfrontend code still exists." Anything it takes to get a dig in at Myth's code quality.

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iamlindoro__:

No, haven't seen that, will go look

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iamlindoro__:

Does he submit patches, or just comment in tickets?

[06:09:26]

sphery:

btw, do you know anything about seektables in H.264? possible with -fixes? possible for non-recordings in -fixes? re: Upgraded to .21 having some problems.. thread

[06:09:57]

sphery:

just comments... If he were to write patches, there wouldn't be as much broken code to complain about. :)

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, Was just going to comment on that, someone submitted a patch to properly regenerate seektables with h.264 this week IIRC

[06:10:30]

iamlindoro__:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /048552.html

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sphery:

yeah, my vague recollection of that was the reason for the "I don't think ... code is even in trunk, yet" comment.

[06:11:20]

sphery:

(I just sent an e-mail... and just realized it may not have arrived at your inbox, yet.)

[06:11:25]

iamlindoro__:

It did

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iamlindoro__:

Well, we'

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iamlindoro__:

erm, Well, we've entered the TV dead zone, I guess I'm going to have to start catching up after this week

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sphery:

Yeah. I looked at some of the midseason schedule stuff ( http://www.tv.com/story/11997.html ) and some of those shows aren't starting up 'til April...

[06:15:14]

iamlindoro__:

I've got ~6–7 Episodes each of T:TSCC, Heroes, and Life on Mars

[06:15:31]

iamlindoro__:

should get me a fair bit of the way to when LOST and BSG come back

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sphery:

I'm jealous... I've caught up on T:TSCC and Heroes, so less good TV on my system to watch. (And, I have to keep some good shows--like Daisies--around for someone else, so I haven't started watching them.)

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iamlindoro__:

They'd BETTER not interrupt BSG again

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sphery:

Isn't this the last season?

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iamlindoro__:

I assume the last 10 will play weekly

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iamlindoro__:

Yes

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sphery:

I just want them to finish its broadcast so they can release the DVD's so I can watch it. :)

[06:18:33]

sphery:

I did Stargate SG-1 much better. Started watching it as they finished the 10th season, so they had released the final season by the time I was ready for it.

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, well it's only 10 more episodes so not much to wait for

[06:19:08]

sphery:

Yeah, but I've been waiting since shortly after Season 3 was released on DVD... :)

[06:19:40]

sphery:

Anyway, time for sleep... Have a nice evening.

[06:19:40]

iamlindoro__:

Cry me a river, I've waited through every "mid season break" and "Season x.5" etc.

[06:19:41]

iamlindoro__:

;)

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iamlindoro__:

night

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sphery:

Oh, yeah, that's worse... At least my seasons were all together without breaks.

[06:20:17]

sphery:

(I started watching after 2.5 was out :)

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jpabq:

sphery, iamlindoro, I patched my trunk with an equivalent of "regenerate seektables with h.264". It does *not* actually work for fixing the seektable, but it *does* make playback of H.264 smoother. When I have some time, I will have to figure out the seektable generation.

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jpabq:

It seems to get rid of the "first frame is not a keyframe" type error messages.

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AlNahar:

anyone using pulse audio with mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Aw, he didn't get his answer in five minutes or less... we're going to have to refund another support contract

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test1:

hi all, anyone in paris/france around there ? dont know where to find a correct grab ..

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wagnerrp:

current grab? of guide data?

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test1:

yes

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test1:

(i just need tv analogique / numéricable)

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test1:

anyone who has the link for a correct grab_fr ? or the xmltv file that corresponds to it ?

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test1:

ils sont où les parisiens?

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laga:

test1: have you installed xmltv?

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test1:

yes i have it

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test1:

but my file is empty ..

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test1:

amyway.. i found mine using scan..

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justinh:

hmmm looks like I'll be going to Blockbuster to get some decent films to watch this christmas

[10:45:24]

justinh:

oh wow. just had a majorly neat idea. how about a 'go to' menu for the programme guide?

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sid3windr:

it'll be lonely .. this christmas ..

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justinh:

while in the guide, bring up a menu, select 'go to' and then the nice (as yet unmade) mythui calendar widget pops up

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sid3windr:

submit a patch or keep dreaming, justinh !

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

</standard-#mythtv-users-reply>

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justinh:

I'm more likely to do the former

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justinh:

actually a calendar widget should be pretty easy with mythui

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justinh:

could/should also be used for the manual schedule screen

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justinh:

adding it to my list :)

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justinh:

sometimes when I think of stuff like that I can't help but wonder why nobody has done it yet

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justinh:

such a simple idea but it'd made stuff a lot nicer

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justinh:

s/made/make

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timeL0RD:

Hi I have a problem where my backend keeps crashing because the disk is full. The Auto Expire feature is enabled, but sometimes it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas how to fix this?

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sulx:

buy more hd

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timeL0RD:

but i will get the same problem when that fills up.

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tjcarter:

obviously you're now in an arms race.

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test1:

please ? is the sound normally included in .nuv file ? or it comes apart ?

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test1:

(my nuv has no sound..)

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test1:

wagnerrp: hi :)

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test1:

can someone (ANYone) can confirm me that there is sound in a nuv file >> just confirm it plz, by clicking Y

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GreyFoxx:

yes a nuv contains audio and video streams

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test1:

amen

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test1:

ty

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test1:

harder one ;) : is it normal that my record has no sound, considering that the sounds dont reach my pc speaker (i only have sound by the jack of my tv card, and other speakers))

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justinh:

if you've not set your mixer settings properly ;)

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justinh:

what soundcard input is the TV tuner card audio cable plugged into?

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test1:

yes.. i do think its not properly done ..

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test1:

tv tuner card plugged to an old pairof speaker, with its own jack.. (sry 4 bad english)

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test1:

externally..

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test1:

but no sound in normal speaker..

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test1:

even with kdetv

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justinh:

you need to connect the tv tuner card audop to your soundcard

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justinh:

*audio

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test1:

is is it hardware or software u r talking about

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justinh:

hardware

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test1:

connect.. physically so ... ?

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justinh:

yes

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test1:

ok ty

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test1:

it'.. inside.. true ?

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justinh:

then you need to make sure that in the linux mixer, the LINE input is set to CAPTURE

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justinh:

it's usually external, connected with a small cable

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test1:

u mean my sound card should have a jack-IN ?

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test1:

:)

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test1:

ty for help anyway

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test1:

well .. justin helped me a lot.. :) thanks him

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test1:

bie all

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sid3windr:

mm yeah

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sid3windr:

framegrabbers with a line out suck

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Dibblah:

Bah. Card still isn't supported on latest NV driver :(

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jackson__:

Dibblah, which card do you have?

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Dibblah:

nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0641) rev 161

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Dibblah:

... 9400GT.

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jackson__:

you are waiting on vc-1?

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Dibblah:

No, I'm waiting on the nvidia driver actually recognising the card :)

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sid3windr:

can't you just patch in the PCI IDs into the headers before compilign?

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sid3windr:

or does it really not work with the binary part

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Dibblah:

It's the kernel module that recognises the card IDs, AFAIK.

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Dibblah:

As in the binary, not the glue.

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directhex:

the kernel module indeed

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directhex:

since it's in charge of /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/n

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sid3windr:

yes, but the kernel module is compiled from headers+binary blob

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sid3windr:

isn't it?

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Dibblah:

... No.

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Dibblah:

It's compiled with a glue section and the binary blob.

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sid3windr:

yeah, the pci ids aren't in the glue section?

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Dibblah:

The headers are part of the glue section.

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Dibblah:

Not as far as I can see.

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sid3windr:

k :)

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shadash:

myth is getting closer and closer to .22

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kslater:

say it ain't so, I'm finally getting stuff upgraded to .21

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shadash:

what distro do other people think is the best to base a frontend on?

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shadash:

kslater: .22 is gonna happen in the next 6 months

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shadash:

I was thinking about gentoo

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shadash:

but I've heard some of the main devs run deb/ubuntu

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kslater:

frontend is easy. put it on whatever you like. backend, I would make sure you are comfortable with the choice

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shadash:

personally I like Centos/Fedora but the rpms from dag sometimes are hit and miss

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shadash:

it's a tough choice

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shadash:

I need to figure out the most stable option

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kslater:

most stable how?

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kslater:

and why do you need to find the most stable option? Going to put this frontend in front of non-technical people or something?

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shadash:

mostly just works.

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shadash:

yea my wife tolerates linux but it isn't her fav

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shadash:

gentoo can become ugly when updating it after running the os for a while

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shadash:

deb and RH have the same problem but you don't have to compile packages to figure out what works and what doesn't

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shadash:

It's all the same to me linux is linux the little differences aren't a problem

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shadash:

I guess it all comes down the updates

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kslater:

but it's a purpose built machine, why update it?

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shadash:

true

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kslater:

I mean it's like any embedded system. if it does what it's supposed to, and it's not exposed to the big ugly world at large, just put it in place and leave it.

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** Dibblah cannot recommend Gentoo, really. **

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Dibblah:

ubuntu is not too bad.

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shadash:

that's actually a good point. linux has finally got to the point where updates (other than security) aren't as critical

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Dibblah:

Simply for the fact that when you need something "now", you'll get it in 10 minutes – an hour :(

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directhex:

embedded systems run RH7.2

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directhex:

fact!

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Dibblah:

TV amps should not have little black pushbuttons. Fact!

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Dibblah:

:(

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** kslater still has a mail server running rh9 **

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directhex:

bacon is delicious. fact!

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Dibblah:

Turns it from "dumb splitter" to amplifier.

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Dibblah:

Federation against copyright theft. FACT!

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shadash:

the one cool thing about Fedora 10 is the boot sequence

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kslater:

something new?

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shadash:

it hides all the technical junk

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shadash:

makes a frontend look more professional if you ever have to restart it

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kslater:

MythDora does the same

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shadash:

not quite

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shadash:

fedora 10 hides the kernel boot info as well

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Dibblah:

Meh. Don't restart.

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kslater:

ah

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shadash:

not just the initscripts

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kslater:

bootsplash like?

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shadash:

yea but even more

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shadash:

I'll find a link

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directhex:

all buntus hide the splash info too

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shadash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27F2hBbTTs

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shadash:

it's pretty cool

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Dibblah:

1:25 to boot?

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iamlindoro:

"Kernel Mode setting" is the term you're looking for

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Dibblah:

I think I'll skip on the graphical crap, thanks :)

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shadash:

it's just to make things look professional

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shadash:

nothing functional

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Dibblah:

For me, I reboot once in a blue moon. S3 + stuff is great.

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Dibblah:

(STR)

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CrucialCarl:

Are there any reputable stores that still sell new PVR-150 (1045) or should I just look for something else?

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iamlindoro_:

You'll likely need to buy it used (eBay or similar)

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CrucialCarl:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, I'm retiring all these high end workstations at work, figured there might be a few VDPAU capable cards in them... no such luck, 8800 GTXs across the board :)

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iamlindoro_:

Talk about BIG freaking cards, though

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shadash:

I think there were some VDPAU capable cards for $30–60 on pricewatch

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: I have a number of them already, I don't need more

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shadash:

then bring one into work ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

It's hard enough to make myself work at work without VDPAU to play with ;)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: stop being lazy and do some work

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laga:

get a job? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

<-- at least *has* a job

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** GreyFoxx cutover a site today from a previous hosting company that processes 140Million $ a month. needless to say I was stressed :) **

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GreyFoxx:

Especially since I had to rewrite a lot of code since the previous host+site used a hybrid of msql and mysql

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Tried the new painter? I haven't tried that yet myself

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sid3windr:

8800 is not vdpau capable?

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sid3windr:

that's a shame

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wagnerrp:

most are, just not the original GTX

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sid3windr:

ahh

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sid3windr:

silly

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, tried it-- faster than GL for me

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iamlindoro_:

A few tiny image scaling issues, but otherwise pretty indistinguishable from the GL painter

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, holy marketing document batman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250

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iamlindoro_:

"This is the one we have all been waiting for!"

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wagnerrp:

i still dont understand the purpose of such a card if you cannot input multiple sources

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wagnerrp:

you can either use ATSC, and then those encoders are worthless

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wagnerrp:

or you use cable and deal with your QAM provider moving channels around

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iamlindoro_:

You *can* add the extra inputs, though, I'm thinking that should help

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iamlindoro_:

(ie the header on that card)

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iamlindoro_:

assuming they come out with the bracket to support it

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wagnerrp:

well thats for capture, bypassing the tuners

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iamlindoro_:

Correct, but would allow you to mix and match one analog and one digital

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iamlindoro_:

ah, looks like the bracket is included, that's nice

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wagnerrp:

they should have just put a third coax input, with a little 2x2 switch to let the tuners use either input

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jackson__:

You fellas talking about the $109..99 newegg price?

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wagnerrp:

i mean that lone svideo port there isnt doing a whole lot of good without an audio input

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iamlindoro_:

I'm cheeks deep in QAM tuners or I'd consider one

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iamlindoro_:

jackson__: Naw, just about the card itself, but that'll be a nice price once it's supported

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jackson__:

ahh, no v4l support yet?

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iamlindoro_:

No, no linux support yet

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iamlindoro_:

It's coming, but last time I spoke to the driver's author it wasn't his top priority

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wagnerrp:

oh, it does have audio on the back. the 'infrared' jack is really a 1/8" audio port

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kslater:

I migrated from .20 to .21 recently and I attempted to import my recording rules and previously watched programs, but shows are being scheduled that I know we've watched before, so something isn't right. Does anyone know if it's more than just an entry in oldrecorded that flags a shows as previously recorded?

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Anduin:

kslater: there are several things that can be looked at, that is certainly one of them though it depends on the recording rule

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kslater:

ah, so the type of recording rule plays into it

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kslater:

because if I mark it never record, it temporarily goes to 'V' status and then back to scheduled.

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Anduin:

kslater: Not so much the type (except single record I think), but one of the scheduling options controls how duplicates are detected, another where is searched

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Anduin:

kslater: checked for crashed tables?

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kslater:

it's a new machine, so I wouldn't suspect it

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kslater:

could it be the meaning of some type changed from .20 to .21?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't think the recorded* tables have changed in a *long* time

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Anduin:

kslater: unlikely, disk full, crashed tables, or corrupt data

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kslater:

some columns got tacked on to some of the tables

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kslater:

I had to add some default values to my inserts

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Anduin:

kslater: did they vary from the default values a normal schema update would have made?

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Anduin:

(reactivate in oldrecord would be a bad one to mess up)

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kslater:

hmm

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kslater:

I guess I need to see if I can determine the schema # of the old data and then have a look at the schema update file and see if I needed to transform anything.

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kslater:

is the db schema # in the settings table maybe?

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Anduin:

kslater: the best update is to backup the DB, restore, switch mythtv versions, fix any hostname problems

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Anduin:

kslater: Yes, DBSchemaVer

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kslater:

the things I recall having to add where like the storage group

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kslater:

ok. I'll have a look

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kslater:

it's really only 4 tables that I need to examine

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kslater:

my old recorded table only has a single value for the column reactivate – 0

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sphery:

kslater: The proper way to do a partial restore/new host restore is http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 or (IMNSHO) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore / http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . _plugin_data

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sphery:

kslater: or, to use the full backup and just use a different hostname http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . d_or_backend

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Anduin:

either way you want mythtv to alter the data during a version change if necessary rather than doing it yourself

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sphery:

Exactly... A /very/ good way phrasing the point I wanted to make (but didn't :).

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kslater:

agreed. Given my druthers I'd roll back the clock and do just that.

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kslater:

I think all the changes that would be made are in the dbschemacheck.cpp source file anyway aren't they? (or some such file, I browsed it the other night)

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Anduin:

kslater: just dbcheck.cpp, but yes

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kslater:

nothing in there that I can't do from a command line

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kslater:

thanks for the pointers everyone

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sphery:

kslater: how old is the backup? How much new TV have you recorded since setting up the new system?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro__: got stuck supporting other players for trailers, should get committed tonight though

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sphery:

kslater: you could easily just start over and do the restore properly

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kslater:

backup is relatively recent

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kslater:

not much recorded since the cutover

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kslater:

it was really an effort to preserve the rules and history + the existing unwatched shows

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kslater:

and slam it all in during the tiny window the family gave me

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sphery:

it's very quick with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . _of_a_backup

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Dagmar:

Clearly, you need to beat the kids more oftne.

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sphery:

Why do you need the partial restore, anyway?

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kslater:

hehe

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sphery:

Why not just a full restore.

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kslater:

I don't think I need one versus the other

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kslater:

I have the db exported from the .20 master b/e

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sphery:

If it's only because of a different hostname (in which a partial restore doesn't fix hostname issues, anyway), then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . _backup_file and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . d_or_backend --which takes about 5 minutes longer than it takes for MySQL to restore a backup

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kslater:

that sounds like it describes my situation pretty closely

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** sphery has done backups/restores with the mythconverg_{backup,restore}.pl scripts literally hundreds of times (I often have to break my DB on my dev box for testing :) **

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kslater:

I had settop-2 (master) & settop (slave), I moved to settop-3 (master – settop-2's disks) & settop-2 (slave – settop's disks)

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kslater:

and I built the replacement master backend on new hardware before I shutdown the old master backend

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sphery:

with the hostname change, you can only go from an existing hostname to one that's not in the DB... So, you might need to run it a couple times with a "placeholder" hostname change one host's name to an already existing host's name

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** kslater goes off to read dbcheck.cpp **

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sphery:

kslater: for your situation--since you're moving recordings from host to host--you have 2 options... Make sure that all backends have all recordings directories mounted (using NFS/CIFS/whatever) and Myth will be able to find recordings or go into mysql and update recorded.hostname appropriately. There's really no benefit to the 2nd approach, other than not requiring network mounts.

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sphery:

I still recommend going back to the backup and letting Myth do the schema upgrade for you. I.e. full backup, change hostnames, start mythtv-setup (to upgrade the schema), then use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to import any new recordings you need in Watch Recordings (or just throw the files in MythVideo, watch them, and delete them :)

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iamlindoro_:

Yay for people wanting info on plugins for Myth 0.11

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sphery:

typo?

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-December/063972.html

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sphery:

or perhaps the message has been bouncing around through various SMTP servers since 2000

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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sphery:

so mythtivo died after 0.11?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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sphery:

what's it do? pulls in tivo recordings?

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iamlindoro_:

http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/mythtivo.html

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iamlindoro_:

More or less it's a menu to spawn mplayer and stream recordings from the ollllld series 1 tivos

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sphery:

why would a Myth user use a TiVo for anything other than a paperweight?

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iamlindoro_:

Because by and large myth users are developmentally challenged?

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

I don't get using the TiVo, too... The recording schedules won't be sync'ed, so they could both (or neither) record something--and making sure you get the right stuff would require a /lot/ of manual intervention, wouldn't it?

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sphery:

not to mention the whole, "low quality, low disk-space" thing (yeah, I realize some people have upgraded HDD's in them, but that same HDD could be thrown in a myth box).

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iamlindoro_:

*If* you could pull the video from the Tivo HDs and IF you integrated it with the Watch recordings screen, I could see using it as an external "tuner" in the case of it being the only way to get digital programming

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iamlindoro_:

But as it respects the whole Cablecard "must authenticate with card just to play" thing, that'll never happen

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sphery:

meaning you only get the channels you could get with Myth?

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sphery:

anyway, maybe there was more reason for people to use it back during MythTV 0.11 times, but...

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I dunno

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe it worked great with torrentocracy

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sphery:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

When I do a configure for MythTV, it says: HR-PVR support yes Is this support for the HD-PVR?

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sphery:

Wondering how a guy with an integrated sound card, a PVR-250, and an HD-5500 could get his sound card to be ALSA card 1... I'm thinking he has another sound card he didn't mention. (thread "slightly OT: no sound")

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iamlindoro_:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

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sphery:

I thought you'd like that one

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: well, is it !!11one

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iamlindoro_:

Seriously, what part of the "don't run trunk if you need assistance" bit do people not get???

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: hey, if the guy runs Linux, he must be a power user, and power users /obviously/ have every right to run bleeding edge code--even if they can't figure out how to make it work

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iamlindoro_:

I love how they lovingly and carefully read the HD-PVR wiki page, then completely wipe their rear ends with the part that say "DO NOT DO THIS if you are just a user/need assistance/etc"

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iamlindoro_:

I wrote that bit for a *reason*

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iamlindoro_:

(mainly to keep me from getting all stabby)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Just like all those Newegg users have a technical level of "extremely high?"

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: it's all NVIDIA's fault... If they hadn't released their new VDPAU API, people wouldn't realize how stupid it is to have a CPU decode video and they'd be happily watching their TV with software decode.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Don't talk about that, I'm still angry my Geforce 4 MX isn't supported. WTF???!?!!?

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sphery:

And, waiting until a new feature is ready for general use is highly overrated...

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iamlindoro_:

They *said* "watch video on your PC" on the box, that's tantamount to saying "VDPAU capable," right?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: did it say it supports PureVideo?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Well I'm sure the word "video" appeared somewhere on the box, or on a PDF I saw somewhere, that's the SAME!

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sid3windr:

well, of course it plays pure video, sphery ! Doh, the sound comes through the speakers!

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sphery:

I think there should be a "PureVideo" player for Linux that plays video /without/ any audio. :)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Just keep it up. The way today is going by the end of the week I'll have set up a euthanasia sign-up service on the web and have arranged to take payment through Paypal.

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sphery:

yeah, I saw a blog post on /the Internet/ where a guy said that my GF4MX440 supports full H.264 decode, so NVIDIA better put up real soon. :)

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iamlindoro_:

They *owe* me

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iamlindoro_:

I totally bought one of their cards back in '99.. or was it '98...

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sphery:

Yeah, I spent $15 on that card.

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sphery:

That was hard earned money...

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sphery:

I bought a laptop with an nvidia graphics card once, so I tried to install the nvidia drivers on my ATI-based system, but it wouldn't let me. It said, "No supported cards detected." That's just stupid greedy corporations. I should be able to run their drivers with anyone's hardware. Ever hear of anti-competitive behavior?

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Dagmar:

sphery: Just promise me that we can ban people who make arguments like that who aren't joking.

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sphery:

sounds good to me

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Dagmar:

...or at least have them killed.

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sphery:

maybe you can make a few extra bucks by being the channel-approved service for that

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sphery:

of course, people would complain that they have to set up PayPal accounts--even though they don't

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Dagmar:

I'd do it for free if someone would cover my travel expenses.

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Dagmar:

People who own swimming pools commonly pay someone else to come over and clean the leaves and other debris out of the pool so that it stays nice and clean and doesn't screw up the filters.

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Dagmar:

I'd like to do that for the gene pool.

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tanjeff:

Hi. Can you tell me what the option Setup->General->Audio->Upmix in mythfrontend exatly does?

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tanjeff:

I know that it controls how stereo is mixed to 5.1

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Dagmar:

tanjeff: It enables upmixing of stereo signals

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Dagmar:

That's what upmixing means.

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tanjeff:

But what is the difference of "passive", "active-simple" and "active-linear"?

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sphery:

tanjeff: when playing back recordings that contain 2-channel audio, it upmixes to 5-channel. It's only useful if you actually have more than 2 speakers

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Grypho:

hi everyone

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sphery:

passive = low-resource, active-simple and active-linear are more and more CPU-intensive, respectively

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tanjeff:

I do, therefore I'm interested in the topic.

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tanjeff:

But how does is affect the sound?

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Dagmar:

Try 'em and see.

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sphery:

also, you'll get different volume effects with each, so choose the one that sounds the best to you and that your system can handle

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kormoc:

tanjeff, why don't you try them and see? I can't personally tell any difference, but others do, it's a very personal thing

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tanjeff:

Ok, I'll try

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Dagmar:

I just figured the person who put that in there put in three different modes just to stave off the inevitable complaints of "OMG UR DOIN IT RONG!"

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** kormoc is tempted to put in an option of 'All' and have it cycle though the three randomly **

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Grypho:

i got a problem with a skystar pci r2.8 when trying to watch live tv. the log (mythfrontend -v all) sais: AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was... Anyone got an idea what's going wrong?

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sphery:

Dagmar: with a busy loop to make the upper 2 look like they're doing more (kind of like the MS Office encrypted file decryptor program)

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Dagmar:

Talk to anyone who works at an "audiophile" store and they'll surely tell you that all three modes are hideously wrong because you didn't spend any money.

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sphery:

Dagmar: is that a real audiophile or an apple audiophile?

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Dagmar:

sphery: An Apple audiophile would have already spent the money

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tanjeff:

Well, I spent money for my hardware. But I guess it was too cheap ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

I'm totally an audiofile. A .WAV, specifically

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kormoc:

So this is amusing

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kormoc:

A guy emailed me demanding that I update mythweb to support kHTTPd

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Dagmar:

You don't even want to know what I said to a salesman at such a store last month

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GlemSom:

Is it possible to retrieve data about currently recordings – and next recordings from the MySQL database... Or will I have to talk to the mythbackend to get such informations?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: *demanding?*

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Dagmar:

He tried to tell me something about turntables I knew to be wrong.

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kormoc:

when I turned him down, he threatened to sue me over false advertising and said I should quit OSS development because I'm unwilling to give back to the community

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sphery:

Grypho: is skystar pci r2.8 some kind of DVB capture card? if so, sounds like it's misconfigured (as a frame grabber, perhaps)?

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iamlindoro_:

Hahah, Must... post.... publicly

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kormoc:

and the best part, there's no php engine for kHTTPd, so you just... can't do it

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sphery:

GlemSom: myth_recent_recordings.pl and myth_upcoming_recordings.pl . Use the --plain_text argument to get text output (versus HTML for the backend status page) and use --format to specify the format.

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Did you suggest lithium?

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** janneg didn't know that anyone still uses kHTTPd **

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Grypho:

sphery: it's a dvb-s card from technisat. tuning seems to work fine. on astra 19.2E it found about 600 channels.

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AndyCap:

+kormoc> when I turned him down, he threatened to sue me over false advertising and said I should quit OSS development because I'm unwilling to

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sphery:

kormoc: you really should give something back to the OSS community, you leach

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AndyCap:

umm, fail.

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Dagmar:

janneg: There's probably at least one BSD user lurking in here. People using kHTTPd shouldn't come as a suprise in the face of that

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kormoc:

Dagmar, nah, I just deleted it down, as I don't want to entice him towards physical stalking :P

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AndyCap:

sounds like khttpd support is already in the box. :P "kHTTPd handles only static (file based) web-pages, and passes all requests for non-static information to a regular userspace-webserver such as Apache or Zeus. "

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iamlindoro_:

There's a lot of that going around, what with the calling certain list-owners at home

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sphery:

Grypho: and you're sure you have it configured as DVB? If so, it may be some problem with encryption or a messed up broadcast

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GlemSom:

sphery, hmm, that looks nice... Thanks! :D

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Grypho:

sphery: the channel i try is not encrypted. messed up broadcast is possible, but at all channels?

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sphery:

GlemSom: and you can even set them up as your "Miscellaneous Status Application" (in mythtv-setup) to get the info added to the bottom of the status page (in mythweb or just through the backend)

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sphery:

Grypho: then, perhaps a configuration issue... I've never used DVB-S, so I don't really know anything about it,.

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iamlindoro_:

I might poke at DVB-S a bit over the holiday and try to update the (english) documentation

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Please do

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Dagmar:

I'd do it but I don't have that stuff, nor can I get it

[19:55:09]

Dagmar:

Someone with a clue really, really needs to bang on the wiki docs for scanning those sats

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iamlindoro_:

I have access to the stuff, but pretty much a view of only four decent channels.. oh well, I'll take one for the team and in interest of learning

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Grypho:

sphery: after taking a look into the database, it seems the channel search did not succeed as expected...some channels i would expect in the channel list are not there

[19:56:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: if only kormoc was as willing to give back to the OSS community

[19:56:24]

iamlindoro_:

And thankfully I can borrow most of the equipment

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Stop being so wrong-minded

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janneg:

Grypho: have you added a LNB?

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Grypho:

sphery: i think i will start over and go back to mythtv-setup to find out what is going wrong there

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Grypho:

janneg: yes, i have. without a lnb i do not find any channel when scanning.

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, on that one I fully admit to being wrong minded (in my sarcasm)... He has given far more than anyone who would have the nerve to complain about him not giving back.

[19:57:32]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I still think it needs to be publicly posted ;)

[19:57:37]

sphery:

Grypho: a good way to start over... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[19:58:27]

sphery:

Grypho: basically, the "Delete all capture cards" and/or "Delete all video sources" part (and not the "on <hostname>" ones)

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janneg:

Grypho: which satellite are you aiming at?

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Grypho:

janneg: astra 19.2E

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janneg:

there shouldn't be a problem with that

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Grypho:

janneg: scanning seems to work. currently i have 719 channels in the database.

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GlemSom:

sphery, It looks good – but it cannot see if there's a "LiveTV" recording active... can it?

[20:04:03]

GlemSom:

ohh never mind... there's a "--live" switch :/

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Grypho:

ok, thanks sphery, thanks janneg. i will if the new scan solves my problem. otherwise i will try the "start over howto" tomorrow evening

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Grypho:

+see

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a1fa:

icanhazcheezeburger

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directhex:

no

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directhex:

you can not has

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Dagmar:

No, u no can has!

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kkuno:

hi

[20:59:07]

kkuno:

I'm streaming through mythweb

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kkuno:

is it possible to jump to an arbitrary time without downloading all the movie?

[21:00:08]

kkuno:

if I want to see in the middle of the movie I have to download the first half of it

[21:00:27]

iamlindoro_:

Nope, not possible

[21:00:40]

iamlindoro_:

(assuming you mean flash streaming, that is)

[21:01:26]

kkuno:

no asx streaming

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kkuno:

it's the same I imagine

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iamlindoro_:

Then no idea, probably depends on your client

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kormoc:

no, it's not possible right now

[21:08:12]

kormoc:

your client would need to support HTTP 205 requests and as far as I know, none do

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kkuno:

ok

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Dagmar:

Huh

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Dagmar:

205 is the reset request, which far as I know was effectively dropped because well, it's just too easy to meta-refresh the page

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kormoc:

whoops, 206 partial content

[21:16:24]

Dagmar:

I was under the impression it won't work because wmp does a crap job if it doesn't either a) have the entire file handy or b) is being fed the file frmo the start of a frame boundary by an intelligent media streaming server

[21:16:41]

Dagmar:

You can do partial gets with apache all day long

[21:17:00]

Dagmar:

I rather count on wget to do a partial request to complete broken downloads

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kormoc:

aye, which is why I said client support :P

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Dagmar:

Just say "because windows media player sucks"

[21:18:02]

Dagmar:

...becuase we're all thinkin it

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Dagmar:

I know I'm thinking it

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kormoc:

heh, aye

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kormoc:

although, amusingly enough, quicktime should work

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Dagmar:

...along with equal parts of "the format doesn't let us easily predict where in the file we need to start the partial GET"

[21:20:46]

Dagmar:

Now, if smb:// were a usable URL in every client and one could assume that the host is on the same local LAN, there's a lot that could be done

[21:20:52]

Dagmar:

s/URL/URI/;

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kslater:

so does the flash streaming support do a conversion on the fly from the original mpg or nuv?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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kslater:

seems like that could be CPU spendy

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iamlindoro_:

it is

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kslater:

ok

[21:35:31]

iamlindoro_:

well, a little bit

[21:36:00]

kslater:

I figure college-boy-#1-son will probably make use of that or the other streaming once in a while.

[21:36:00]

iamlindoro_:

depends on the original source, but it's not transcoding to anything fancy, just a little tiny thing

[21:36:28]

** kslater wonders if the G1 phone could be tricked into playing some of that back **

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exburn:

im trying to install v4l-dvb and i keep getting this out CC [M] /home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l/em28xx-dvb.o

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exburn:

LD [M] /home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l/usbvision.o

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exburn:

CC [M] /home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l/tvp5150.o

[21:52:55]

exburn:

CC [M] /home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l/tvp514x.o

[21:52:55]

exburn:

make[3]: *** [/home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l/tvp514x.o] Error 1

[21:52:56]

exburn:

make[2]: *** [_module_/home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l] Error 2

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exburn:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.24.4–64.fc8-i686'

[21:53:00]

exburn:

make[1]: *** [default] Error 2

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exburn:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mythtv/v4l-dvb/v4l'

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exburn:

make: *** [all] Error 2

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

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GreyFoxx:

still this goes in apastebin

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exburn has been kicked from #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc (use a paste bin)

[21:53:10]

GreyFoxx:

and it's the wrong cannel

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hads:

heh

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Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc

[21:53:19]

GreyFoxx:

You want a v4l / linuxtv channel

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iamlindoro_:

Too late, he asplode

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

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kormoc:

exburn, please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin, and as GreyFoxx said, you'll likely want #v4l or similar

[21:54:27]

GreyFoxx:

or #linuxtv

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GreyFoxx:

they would know more about compile problems with their stuff

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hads:

Since it's their stuff n all :)

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exburn:

ok thanks

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mib_uvhhm4:

How to get MythTv data, such as episode names and descriptions exported to a file?

[22:14:04]

kormoc:

SELECT INTO OUTFILE?

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porcodildo:

I've set the recording profile at 900 kbps

[22:14:32]

porcodildo:

and I get 2.8gb for a 2h30m rec

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porcodildo:

is it possible?

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hads:

Aparently

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mib_uvhhm4:

yes kormoc

[22:15:02]

mib_uvhhm4:

How can I ?

[22:15:12]

mib_uvhhm4:

I need an sql command?

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kormoc:

mib_uvhhm4, there's a million ways to do it...

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mib_uvhhm4:

such as ?

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kormoc:

SELECT INTO OUTFILE?

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hads:

heh

[22:16:23]

mib_uvhhm4:

..

[22:16:54]

mib_uvhhm4:

Any example from a guide somewhere?

[22:17:26]

kormoc:

could check the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

mib_uvhhm4: You haven't even begun to explain what it is you're trying to do

[22:17:40]

mib_uvhhm4:

ok I'll try

[22:17:42]

hads:

There's also http://www.google.com/search?q=mysql+select+into+outfile

[22:17:47]

iamlindoro_:

perhaps if we didn't play cloak and dagger, someone could actually *help* you

[22:17:57]

Dagmar:

mib_uvhhm4: No such mechanism currently exists. If you want such a thing, you get to write the code yourself.

[22:18:08]

mib_uvhhm4:

I want a list of the episode names of my recordings with their description

[22:18:11]

kormoc:

Dagmar, nuvexport can actually do it Ibelieve

[22:18:44]

Dagmar:

So feel free to explain nuvexport to him

[22:19:08]

xris:

mib_uvhhm4: copy/paste from mythweb?

[22:19:17]

Dagmar:

I never noticed it doing anything other than just smitting (optionally transcoded) video files

[22:19:20]

mib_uvhhm4:

I don't have mythweb

[22:19:33]

iamlindoro_:

So install it

[22:19:56]

kslater:

install phpmyadmin, and go looking?

[22:20:31]

xris:

mib_uvhhm4: you're asking for ways to get the info. we're all giving you answers... they all involve a little work.

[22:20:39]

kormoc:

run strings on the myisam files?

[22:20:48]

** hads giggles **

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Dagmar:

Just look them up on a website and copypaste

[22:20:51]

kslater:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "select title,subtitle,description from recorded order by title"

[22:21:04]

** iamlindoro_ strongly suggests parsing the RSS feed from mythweb's recorded, it's all there **

[22:21:25]

GreyFoxx:

there is an rss feed of that? Haha I had no idea :)

[22:21:29]

kormoc:

iamlindoro__, are you actually suggesting that someone uses that feature!?!?!

[22:21:31]

Dagmar:

Googling "<showname> episode list" has always worked for me

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kslater:

mythweb has an rss feed?

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iamlindoro_:

http://12.34.56.78/mythweb/rss/tv/recorded

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I added it a few months ago after a pile of user complaints

[22:21:50]

GreyFoxx:

nice

[22:21:50]

hads:

thetvdb.com

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kormoc:

and not a single person has even mentioned it

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kslater:

hehe

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, also added a ical format for the upcoming recorded info

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porcodildo:

someone has never seen this?

[22:22:29]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: I use it for what it's worth (Makes a nice smart RSS bookmark in firefox, faster than navigating to MythWeb sometimes)

[22:22:31]

porcodildo:

[????????] x11 video output error: X11 request 42.0 failed with error code 8:

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porcodildo:

BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)

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Dagmar:

Yes

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kormoc:

porcodildo, I have indeed never seen that

[22:22:52]

porcodildo:

i'm trying to see a recording streming with vlc

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Dagmar:

I have never seen that

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porcodildo:

and always vlc stop the movie telling that

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porcodildo:

at random time

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iamlindoro_:

So ask #vlc?

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Dagmar:

#vlc

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porcodildo:

uhm I will try with another client first

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, good to hear that someone uses it :)

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** iamlindoro_ wonders if they're that scary in #vlc **

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** Dagmar prepares to type "#mplayer" **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, to be honest, it really only was a hour of work to get going :)

[22:24:22]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: It's a nice feature-- if I was on the mac more I'd likely use the ical export more than I do (although I do have it subscribed)

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** iamlindoro_ gives the thumbs-up **

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mib_uvhhm4:

kslater, thank you!!! that is exactly what I wanted

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mib_uvhhm4:

mysql -u mythtv -p -D mythconverg -e "select title,subtitle,description from recorded order by title"

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kslater:

sometimes you get lucky.

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iamlindoro_:

I'm pretty sure the correct format for that command is mysql -u mythtv -p -e "drop database mythconverg"

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hads:

Oooo nasty

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mib_uvhhm4:

stupid iamlindoro_ thats not funny

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iamlindoro_:

*I* thought it was pretty funny

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Did you ever have luck with that mythtube fix?

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mib_uvhhm4:

hey iamlindoro_ try sudo rm -rf / that will also help you

[22:27:30]

iamlindoro_:

sudo rm -rf /

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GreyFoxx:

like rm -rf / none of that in here. People have toasted themselves that way :)

[22:27:34]

iamlindoro_:

oops sorry wrong window

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kormoc:

mib_uvhhm4, -bash: sudo: command not found

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GreyFoxx:

even as a joke :)

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mib_uvhhm4:

ooo he left

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kslater:

enough fun for one day

[22:28:08]

iamlindoro_:

Hey guys, logged in from my laptop, something's wrong with my desktop

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hads:

haha

[22:28:16]

iamlindoro_:

after I typed that command everything went weird

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kormoc:

mib_uvhhm4, are you attempting to scare away a well known active member of the community?

[22:28:35]

kormoc:

cause he's way too jaded to scare that easily...

[22:29:02]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Got it compiling again, but have some segfaults I'm having trouble with-- sent my work on to Alvaro to see what he could make of it

[22:29:11]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Should have something out in a day or two

[22:29:19]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, yes, iamlindoro = salty

[22:29:23]

GreyFoxx:

easily reproduces crashes ?

[22:29:42]

porcodildo:

uhm what is a good player for the asx files?

[22:29:42]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Easily reproduceable in that they happen any time you try to enter an RSS feed? yes. ;)

[22:30:07]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: (or switch the active selector to the Search window)

[22:30:15]

kormoc:

porcodildo, asx files are purely just metadata pointing to the raw files, so whatever you would play them normally with

[22:30:16]

Dagmar:

porcodildo: Anything that doesn't set your computer on fire is probably good.

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[22:30:53]

iamlindoro_:

fairly certain I boned something in the conditional statements I had to change for the getData/GetData, setData/SetData switch, but just couldn't get it figured out

[22:30:55]

Dagmar:

Open the ASX file in notepad or something and gaze upon the wonder of advanced technology

[22:30:55]

** kormoc ponders changing the topic to 'Here be epic jaded monsters' **

[22:30:57]

GreyFoxx:

\

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d0nets is now known as d0netsFN

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porcodildo:

ok thx

[22:33:09]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I know alvaro is adding a background downloader/scheduler that he plans to have out this week, so I think my fixes and his will go into that

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

This mightsound dumb, but how do I add an rss feed?

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GreyFoxx:

to mythtube ?

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Press M, Add channel

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iamlindoro_:

Then type in the title and feed URL

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iamlindoro_:

then OK

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GreyFoxx:

Got an example feed I could try ?

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iamlindoro_:

sure

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.howtodogirls.com/htdg.rss

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

Headed home, will catch up with you in a few

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

Thanks for taking a look

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GreyFoxx:

np

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** kormoc wonders bout that feed **

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jams:

is there an option to make the FE not check if the DB needs updating?

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Hrmmm it let me add it without error

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GreyFoxx:

ahh ok, I can add it but not enter it

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Right, exactly

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iamlindoro__:

should also segfault when you make the search "channel" selected

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iamlindoro__:

two seperate causes, though, I would assume

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iamlindoro__:

I think the entering channel one is caused where I put all the verbose stuff in, in channelscreep.cpp

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iamlindoro__:

(but not because of it ;) )

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