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Thursday, December 11th, 2008, 00:07 UTC

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mzb_d800:

squish102: there's mention of moving recordings around (in the wiki?), but most of the instructions I've read seem incomplete.

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mzb_d800:

(I wanted previously recorded plus all details moved)

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dkeith:

I have been trolling around the MythTV build database, the how-to's and various recipes and am somewhat at at a loss for where to begin. My problem is that I need to do a "forklift upgrade" of my home computers, media servers and televisions, so basically need to replace everything. I have a decent – but not extravagant – budget and want try to "do it right".

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dkeith:

It's not that I lack skills in computers or even Linux (20 years in sysadmin), but that the mix-and-match choices are putting me into a form of decision paralysis. I would love to find a configuration that comes somewhat close to what I am trying to do, but everyone I have looked at is 203 years old or has juist some small slice.

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dkeith:

Any pointers on how to sort thourgh all the sample configs and find one that will suite?

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kormoc:

banyan, the flash streaming should work in under 64kbit/sec

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Dagmar:

dkeith: If you're just looking for some boilerplate setup, you can stop wasting your time. You're not going to find one.

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Ah, now if most cablemodems were even good for that

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I'd be quite upset if my provider couldn't handle that :P

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Dagmar:

Hours and hours of uploading compressed tarballs at a steady 40K say Comcast are fucking liars about the amount of upstream they've allocated

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dkeith:

Dagmar: I understand that. There are many choices to make. What I am leery of is finding out that the coices I make don't work and I have to take several turns at various types of hardware to get it to work.

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kormoc:

40K is well more then 64kbit :)

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Dagmar:

dkeith: I fail to see how anything could result in you selecting more than one potential kind of hardware.

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kormoc:

dkeith, let's start with what you are recording from and what you may upgrade to in the future you're planning for

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Dagmar:

Here's a "hard and fast rule for you": NO FARKING FRAMEGRABBER CARDS

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Dagmar:

So long as you stay away from framegrabbers, it's rather hard to screw up

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Dagmar:

Unless, of course, you try to buy an ATSC tuner to use from your underground, shortwave-only bunker.

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Dagmar:

That won't work well.

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hads:

Or you're in another country.

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Dagmar:

...or maybe you special-order a DVB-T card from Europe

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Dagmar:

...and you live in Utah/.

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sphery:

or DVB-S for use in the US

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** kormoc buys a token ring network card and plugs in the cable into that **

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Dagmar:

Your cable TV has a BNC connector?

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

dkeith: read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview and maybe it'll eliminate some of the confusion

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dkeith:

What I have now is cable service, 15 MB internet, a $1300 credit at the apple store and some cash. I am looking at setting up a central server(s)for Mythtv, with file, print and name services on the side, and 5–6 mac mini or equivalents as front ends with HDTV-class monitors, some of them doubling as desktop computer boxes

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Dagmar:

Well, you can cross the Apple store off your list as useful assets

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dkeith:

mythtv does not run on mac?

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Dagmar:

Not well

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Dagmar:

It was designed to run on Linux.

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Dagmar:

ports to other operating systems are generally not a smart thing to try to use

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hads:

You can run Linux on those

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Dagmar:

...not when the entier thing is still 0.x

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dkeith:

well, that is annoying, though not terribly. What if I use a linux dist on the mini – and bypass the macos?

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kormoc:

the mini's video cards won't handle HD in linux

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dkeith:

well, I could always buy a whole pile of ipods :-)

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should do that then.

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dkeith:

separate from mythtv I mean

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Dagmar:

Unless you _like pain_ you generally fit the hardware to the software for this thing.

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** dkeith goes off to read the executive overview **

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Dagmar:

"this thing" being "a software PVR"

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dkeith:

yep – got the PVR part

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dkeith:

Dagmar, kormoc, hads – thanks for the pointer. that doc looks like a good place to start.

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Dagmar:

no problem

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iamlindoro__:

clever, Why is it you have such a hard time shutting the hell up, anyway?

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iamlindoro__:

clever, And I didn't "start" anything, everything I was saying was related to plugin and myth development. Nobody gives a darn about your feelings about.. erm.. anything, really

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clever:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Is it just me, or did that come completely out of the blue?

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, Trying to keep the be-otch slapping of clever out of the dev channel

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directhex:

mailing list overspill?

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directhex:

anyway, teh BEDS

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Dagmar:

ah

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kormoc:

oh gawd, I just noticed that mysql has native partitioning in 5.1

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** kormoc must resist the urge to partition all his tables... **

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clever:

native partitioning?

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Dagmar:

Yep. Grass skirts and everything.

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if it would speed adoption of MythTube if he uploaded it with the beta youporn downloader **

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clever:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm has anyone else heard of -users list RSS feed ??

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clever:

add redtube support also:P

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, I presume it's a gossamer thing

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GreyFoxx:

So it turns out my 8400 idles at 56 celcius, 62c while playing back via VDPAU

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GreyFoxx:

my 8500 idles at 67c :)

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GreyFoxx:

one of them has a fan and one doesn't... I'm assuming thefanless is the 8500 at the moment :)

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Dagmar:

We should try more Jell-O cooling

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mzb_d800:

is there a "Current Showlevel" (or similar) variable that I can pass to a script in mythvideo?

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mzb_d800:

_or_ how I can I found out what the current showlevel is on a particular FE?

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Wayhigh:

good evening everyone

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... only variable in the db that changes on a change-showlevel event is VideoPasswordTime

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mzb_d800:

which doesn't really help :(

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mzb_d800:

gday Wayhigh

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

That's such a descriptive name, too

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Wayhigh:

so I got a bonus and a raise at work and I'm still having trouble getting my wife to let me get 2 new mythboxes

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Wayhigh:

she's afraid I'll spend all my time working on that instead of doing other things

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Dagmar:

like her

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mzb_d800:

smart girl, then?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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** iamlindoro__ punches the Qt painter, breaks up with it **

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mzb_d800:

tell her you need a reward for your bonus ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm... VideoPasswordLevel

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mzb_d800:

we'll see

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mzb_d800:

code seems to suggest that both VideoPasswordLevel and VideoPasswordTime are updated ... but I don't see it happening

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mzb_d800:

ah ... only on a valid change

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mzb_d800:

which means if you switch to level 4, then back to 1, VideoPasswordLevel is still 4?

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

also means if you *ever* switch to level four it's never reset? strange idea

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Dagmar:

Once a porno, always a porno.

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mzb_d800:

seems like a pointless record ... effectively achieves nothing

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mzb_d800:

in my case, level 4 is MAV15+

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mzb_d800:

3=M

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mzb_d800:

2=PG

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mzb_d800:

1=anything 3yo can watch

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Dagmar:

That really shouldnt be an enumerated list of *non* changeable elements anyway

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mzb_d800:

sorry?

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Dagmar:

It's an ordered list of elements with fixed meanings.

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Dagmar:

Ratings systems change from country to country.

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mzb_d800:

the numbers or the ratings?

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mzb_d800:

i've added my own interpretation of localised ratings

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Dagmar:

Somwehere in the interface there should (but isn't that I've noticed) be a place to define each of those

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mzb_d800:

there is, and I have

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mzb_d800:

that's not the point I'm trying to make, however

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mzb_d800:

there's are two variables that are changed (per FE) on a successful showlevel transition

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mzb_d800:

being: VideoPasswordLevel and VideoPasswordTime

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mzb_d800:

if *appears* (from what I've seen so far) that VideoPasswordLevel is never reset (maybe I'm just blind)

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mzb_d800:

ie: that's the ONLY time it's ever set/changed

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keith_:

that was very confusing

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mzb_d800:

which bit? :)

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keith_:

until I realized that (for some reason I don't know), I had Dagmar on the ignore list

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mzb_d800:

ah

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keith_:

(I assume you're talking to him)

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keith_:

(and not... yourself)

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mzb_d800:

I often do ... but in this case, no ;)

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mzb_d800:

(I've got two heads)

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mzb_d800:

anyway, result (so far) seems to be that I can't use VideoPasswordLevel as it doesn't appear to represent the current level ... although that seems to be the intention of the code in ./mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/parentalcontrols.cpp

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mzb_d800:

it'd be meaningful if it was reset upon entering "Watch Videos" (if timed-out) or when changing levels

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mzb_d800:

(there's me talking to myself again, I guess;))

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mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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mzb_d800:

ok ... can't do the full plan ... at least I can do level=1 only for starters

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: there isn't a way, the variables are there only to save pin entering for some window and have no relation to the actual level

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... trying to troubleshoot a 'scratchy/distorted' audio issue with my PVR-500 — found some old posts for 0.7.x versions that mention using vrl2-ctl to switch audio inputs, but that doesn't work for me – anyone else have this issue?

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J-e-f-f-A:

And it's an occasional issue... I had to change channels about 10 times before I hit it, then while trying various v4l2-ctl controls manually with no effect, a real recording kicked in and wa clear... DOH! ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, See "extra audio buffering"

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: It's on the original recording, not during playback...

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iamlindoro__:

ah

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iamlindoro__:

Or... You could drop analog altogether, hooray!

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J-e-f-f-A:

It was discussed fairly often back on 0.7.x versions, but was supposedly fixed. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... ;-)

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mzb_d800:

Anduin: Yes, I see ... but I can't see anywhere else that the VideoPasswordLevel is actually used.

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iamlindoro__:

And if you *have* to use analog, load up on HD-PVRs

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: I could do that, if I wanted to spend like $500 on a pair of HD-PVR's...

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iamlindoro__:

Yay! It *is* Christmas

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: It isn't, just there to cache the last highest level that had a proper pin entered

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Humm... you do have a point there! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: I'd have to switch to trunk though...

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mzb_d800:

ok, is there any reason why it can't be reset as I suggested above?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, I was playing with it and VDPAU a bit last night-- it's *amazingly* good looking together

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fuxxy:

It's snowing down here in Texas

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** J-e-f-f-A drools... **

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mzb_d800:

ie: if I patch it (then submit it?) will it break anything?

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Dagmar:

It's goin' around

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: Why is it needed?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, was recording CNN HD, Love all those sharp sexy graphics

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mzb_d800:

I need to know the current showlevel externally

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuxxy: hehe... it was 17 degrees F here in MA on Monday... 65 today... go figure (boston area)...

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, It's even the best I've ever seem a scroller look in myth (VDPAU deinterlacers at 2x are IMO better than the software ones)

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mzb_d800:

(I play .pls files with a script that regenerates the .pls)

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, I was in MA this weekend, just about froze my tail off (was there for the snow, too)

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fuxxy:

J-e-f-f-A, 37 degrees this morning, 33 degrees when I went home from work. 31.9 degrees now :

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Be glad it's just snow.

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fuxxy:

J-e-f-f-A, it NEVER snows here.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Ha! that's cool. ;-) It didn't last long...

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Dagmar:

We got a "60% mix" forecast for tomorrow... which means "icy, frozen hell"

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Dagmar:

I know it snows there.

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, Was south of the city in the Norwood area, got a bit more snow, but it was a nice weekend

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Dagmar:

It's just not often.

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, Not in Houston it doesnt. Mabye dallas, but not houston.

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuxxy: I wouldn't say Never... I was in Cherokee KS in September 1996, and it snowed there for an hour or so... melted right away, but it snowed a dusting... ;-)

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Dagmar:

It was like 9–10 years ago but it was snowing when I drove through Houston

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mzb_d800:

Anduin: as there doesn't seem to be a variable that I can include when calling the script, I'd hoped there was a variable in the db that I could use. By patching I could make it so that it's reset ... and then make it useful (for me).

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Dagmar:

People were syaing about the same thing as you there tho

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Dagmar:

"It never snows here!" "It's snowing now, so..."

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fuxxy:

hah

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mzb_d800:

(variable to represent current showlevel that is)

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Dagmar:

It *can* be worse.

[03:17:13]

Dagmar:

The year before NES (Nashville Electric Service) found out how well "There's never a significant ice storm here" worked out.

[03:17:25]

Dagmar:

80% of the power infrastructure ripped from the poles.

[03:17:44]

Dagmar:

It goes without saying that 73% of the power transformers just *exploded* during the night

[03:17:53]

Dagmar:

Kinda surreal.

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: I'd favor adding a new script param before trying to keep the current level in the DB (the current level being there in that same value would break existing behavior)

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Dagmar:

Mostly silence, plenty of darkness and moonlight on the crystalline stuff everywhere, crinkling sounds as branches shed ice, and the occasional deep *boom* and flash of light as a transformer somewhere gives up from the extra load of the other transformers and lines being down for the count.

[03:19:25]

Dagmar:

"Just snow" == Admire it and be thankful. :)

[03:19:53]

mzb_d800:

Anduin: ok ... you can help me by telling me a likely place to start looking :)

[03:20:15]

Wagner:

is Garret Dillahunt becoming the stereotypical bad guy?

[03:20:26]

Wagner:

first hes a terminator, and now hes some sort of crime boss in Life

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Anduin:

mzb_d800: metadata.cpp getPlayCommand, videoutils.cpp PlayVideo, the information you need isn't accessible there but could be passed to PlayVideo easily

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... ok, thanks

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Wagner:

iamlindoro: dont bitch, i made no revelations to the plot of anything

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iamlindoro__:

Wagner, Wouldn't have caught anything anyway if you hadn't bleeped me ;)

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Wagner:

its like theyre turning him into Alan Rickman, who is now either a bad guy, a pseudo bad guy, or a depressed robot

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Dagmar:

It's because he was threatning to throw people from the roof.

[03:24:27]

Dagmar:

...and because he's mean to that Potter kid.

[03:25:16]

Dagmar:

Only Gary Oldman gets forgiven for that kinda stuff.

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Wagner:

yeah... one police commissioner and now hes the good guy

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Dagmar:

Oh no...

[03:28:31]

Dagmar:

You haven't seen Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead.

[03:28:45]

Dagmar:

He's *sneaky*.

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Dagmar:

He's done *lots* of roles you pretty much have to be reminded it's Gary Oldman to even realize it's him

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Wagner:

indeed i have not

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Wagner:

i do agree with that statement

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_%26_ . . . _Dead_(film)

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Dagmar:

Probably one of the best films I've seen

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Wagner:

i just looked him up on imdb and.... wow, he was the mad russian? and he killed leon and jfk and the robinsons?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Wagner:

i truly dont think of any of his past roles when watching him in a movie

[03:30:56]

Dagmar:

However, "The film stars Gary Oldman as Rosencrantz, Tim Roth as Guildenster [...]" is an outright lie.

[03:31:16]

Dagmar:

It's rather significantly undefined which one of them is which. They don't even know for sure.

[03:33:27]

Dagmar:

I didn't even realize Gary Oldman was in Rosencrantz... until about four years ago, and I saw that film when I was in college

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Dagmar:

It was like waking up, looking in the mirror, and realizing you've had two noses since you were a kid.

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Wagner:

well something on my freebsd install is horribly hosed

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Wagner:

im getting compile errors in the QT header files

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Dagmar:

No talent with the BSDs or I'd offer to help

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Wagner:

it was a major kludge getting qt4 installed in the first place

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Wagner:

for some reason, the source download doesnt actually have any of the mkspecs

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Wagner:

so for each individual package, i have to copy the mkspecs into the build directory before it will properly configure

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Wagner:

its my primary server, but all of the actual daemons are partitioned off into VMs

[03:39:02]

Wagner:

im considering just blowing away everything and rebuilding from a clean start

[03:40:58]

Wagner:

would only have some 765 packages to rebuild!

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Dagmar:

yay!

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Dagmar:

See, this is why I script my builds that go straight into packages which include the build scripts needed to rebuild them.

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Wagner:

well freebsd has the ports system which is supposed to do all that crap for me

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Wagner:

anyway, im sure a full 2/3 of that crap is little nothing packages like X modules, perl/python scripts, fonts, or other things that take little more than an unpack

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Wagner:

i suppose instead of trashing the entire system, i could just build a fresh one in a VM and try to get trunk working there

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doje:

hi all, recently my myth install stopped recording non-live tv; new recordings showed "file not found" errors. I was able to get it working again by removing and re-adding the "Default" directory in setup. Now new programs are being recorded, but old ones now display "file not found" – even though the files are there. any advice?

[04:19:32]

Dagmar:

myth-rebuilddb.pl

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doje:

Dagmar: cool, I'll try that. thanks

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Lexridge:

How may I tell what GPU (NV40 or NV45) my GF6800 has on it?

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Dagmar:

WIkipedia actually

[04:31:09]

Dagmar:

...or the PCI ID

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Dagmar:

Either will work

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Lexridge:

I've got the wikipedia up, but I'm guessing this is the 6800 Ultra (nv45) since it is the only one listed with DDR3. I wonder if this card will eventually support VDPAU?

[04:32:09]

iamlindoro__:

Nope. Never.

[04:32:13]

Lexridge:

or vise-versa actually

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GreyFoxx:

No chance

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Lexridge:

It has PV2 on it I'm guessing

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iamlindoro__:

VDPAU is bitstreaming only. Bitreams offload was only introduced after the first generation of 8xxx series

[04:32:54]

Dagmar:

Again, Wikipedia.

[04:33:04]

Dagmar:

...although the chances of a 6xxx card having PureVideo2 is laughable.

[04:34:00]

Lexridge:

okay, perhaps it only 1.1 then. Just grasping at straws here hoping to not have to buy a new gfx card ;)

[04:34:20]

iamlindoro__:

It's $30.

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Dagmar:

I don't see why you'd need a new video card

[04:35:15]

Lexridge:

$30? The one I am looking at (GF9600) is more like $80. But I need dual head too.

[04:35:24]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: for vdpau

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Dagmar:

No big deal there. Get an 8600.

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iamlindoro__:

There are many many DVPAU capable cards in the $30 range

[04:35:43]

iamlindoro__:

er VDPAU

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Lexridge:

oh, I'll look at one

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doje:

Dagmar: is this the same thing? /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv-doc/contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[04:35:48]

Lexridge:

yea

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Dagmar:

doje: Looks it

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Wagner:

every card nvidia has put out in since the 4xxx series has been dual-head

[04:36:16]

Wagner:

unless you mean dual-dvi, i which case you should still be able to pick one of those up for ~$60

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iamlindoro__:

Better still, get an 8400 GS and there's a better than average chance it'll go VC1 too

[04:36:33]

Lexridge:

wagner: yea, but I need dual DVI....some of the cheaper ones are VGA and DVI

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Dagmar:

Just about every card they make now has two DVI outputs, as well as that weird barrel DIN that goes to a breakout box that provides composite, component, and s-video

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: I'll look at that one too.

[04:37:13]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: yea, the 9600 has that as well.

[04:37:39]

Lexridge:

component outs would be really nice

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** iamlindoro__ has a pile of breakout cables on the desk doing nothing **

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: You don't need to buy a 9600.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: yea, I just now getting that. I appreciate you guys saving me money here :)

[04:38:16]

Dagmar:

Use Newegg or eVGAs site to find specifically what you're looking for

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Lexridge:

I'm browsing TigerDirect ATM.

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Wagner:

tigerdirect suck unless they have a rebate

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Dagmar:

NewEgg's probably got a better search engine IMHO

[04:39:12]

Wagner:

at which point they suck more because there have been issues with TD honoring rebates

[04:39:26]

Lexridge:

I love eVGAs stuff, but their support is crap! They won't even sell you a replacement GPU fan unless you send the card back to them :(

[04:39:47]

Lexridge:

Wagner: Okay, thanks for the TG tip. I'll check newegg

[04:40:42]

Dagmar:

Meh you can buy just about any cooler component you want from Digikey and all sorts of other places

[04:41:33]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: I actually did check digikey, and bought a replacement fan from them. I had to modify it a bit, but make it work in the long run

[04:41:42]

Dagmar:

heh go you

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GreyFoxx:

For the curious I've been graphing my GPU temp using VDPAU and without http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/gpucoretemp1.png

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iamlindoro__:

at 8 o clock he lit the thermite

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GreyFoxx:

the couple hours at 61c was using VDPAU for playback, the time since ten has been regular software decoding and XV output

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GreyFoxx:

XV output is 2 degrees above idle, VDPAU is 4–6 degrees above

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Lexridge:

It looks as though the 8600GS has VGA and DVI...not two DVIs. Still looking though

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, a 4C difference across the board is pretty OK in my book

[04:43:18]

Chutt:

GreyFoxx, what's the cpu temp look at the same time?

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't been graphing that, I'll graph that tomorrow night as well

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: It's still less than my 8500 which idles at 67c :)

[04:44:08]

iamlindoro__:

heh

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Dagmar:

OMG how unthorough

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Wagner:

fan(less)?

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Dagmar:

Your geek licence is hereby suspended

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GreyFoxx:

Wagner: My 8500 is fanless

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Lexridge:

This one should do nicely, but only $15 cheaper than the 9600: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150247

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Lexridge:

Is there a huge difference between GDDR2 and GDDR3?

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Wagner:

Lexridge: only one DVI?

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iamlindoro__:

mascool, if it's green and pink corruption, there is a bug with very old nvidia drivers that did that

[04:45:39]

kormoc:

Lexridge, not really

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Lexridge:

wagner: it shows two

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mascool:

not really

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Pffft. I tossed that in on a whim this afternoon. Tomorrow will be more measured and include cpu and such

[04:45:52]

Wagner:

i see one

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iamlindoro__:

mascool, otherwise, you'll need to explain what it looks like

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mascool:

It looks great as long as their is no movement, but when things move they get these wavy, jagged edges

[04:45:58]

Wagner:

unless the picture is wrong

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Lexridge:

oh, nope, my eyes are wrong...doh!

[04:46:11]

Wagner:

specs say one

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iamlindoro__:

mascool, That's the "you're not using a deinterlacer" bug

[04:46:15]

mascool:

if I switch back to the monitor it looks good

[04:46:25]

mascool:

ok iamlindoro

[04:46:30]

Lexridge:

I didn't blow up the photo. my bad

[04:46:41]

mascool:

how do i fix that ? :)

[04:46:44]

Dagmar:

Is there some reason you want 512Mb of RAM on the card?

[04:46:54]

Dagmar:

Does VDPAU require that?

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GreyFoxx:

some people have had more success with it. Likely just a mtter of driver and player tweaking

[04:47:09]

iamlindoro__:

mascool, Assuming Myth .21 or newer, Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback->Third Page, try switching the profiles around

[04:47:21]

iamlindoro__:

mascool, In general most people ought to be using "slim" as their profile

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Wagner:

cheapest dual-dvi: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814145159

[04:47:41]

Wagner:

cheapest fanless: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121098

[04:47:52]

iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, gbee and I couldn't get it to display so much as a frame without cranking the memory to 512

[04:47:54]

Lexridge:

Wagner: Never heard of Chaintech. Is that a decent brand?

[04:47:56]

Dagmar:

Note there's two types of 8600's

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Lexridge:

oh?

[04:48:10]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I thought I remembered something like that but wasn't vertain

[04:48:15]

Wagner:

theyve been around a while, i think my old MX440 was a chaintech

[04:48:37]

Wagner:

Dagmar: two types of 8600? or two types of 8400?

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Wagner:

i knew about the 84s, but not the 86s

[04:48:47]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Those graphs are from... cacti?

[04:48:53]

Lexridge:

what about ASUS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121098

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Dagmar:

Two 8600's

[04:49:00]

Dagmar:

Seriously man, use Wikipedia already

[04:49:07]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureVideo

[04:49:15]

Wagner:

iamlindoro__: he wrote up a custom MIB grabbing from a script

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Dagmar:

Step number one is to READ UP, not search

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iamlindoro__:

ahhhh

[04:49:28]

iamlindoro__:

neato

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Dagmar:

Learn everything you could ever possibly know about the hardware

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Lexridge:

I've been there, just really wanted to know what you guys were using.

[04:49:41]

Wagner:

im using magic personally

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Lexridge:

lol

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Dagmar:

There's a G84 and a G86 8600

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Wagner:

i dont know about those other waifs

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yup

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mascool:

iamlindoro__ and of course I'm using mythtv 0.20

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Dagmar:

...and on that page the note "some models are Purevideo-HD capable"

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mascool:

just my luck

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mascool:

it's the latest stable in gentoo

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iamlindoro__:

mascool, Heh, in that cse you need a serious upgrade :)

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GreyFoxx:

som cacti/snmpd/bash stuff

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Lexridge:

okay

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mascool:

really? that much of a diff ?

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Dagmar:

Now, just ONE mouse-click away we also find out...

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Wagner:

mascool: unmask it! all the cool kids are doing so

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iamlindoro__:

mascool, .20-.21 is huge

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Dagmar:

"Currently only second generation of PureVideo HD bit-stream processor in NVIDIA's GeForce 8 series and later graphics cards hardware that has support since the Beta device driver version 1.80.06[6][7]."

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mascool:

ok I'll unmask and emerge

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** mascool prays **

[04:51:04]

Dagmar:

So, we know that PureVideo-HD is the magic keyword to look for

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xack:

my mythtv wont go

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: yea, I read that, but also on some NV forums, they mentioned other cards would be supported once out of beta

[04:51:46]

iamlindoro__:

if Gentoo thinks .20 is more stable than .21-fixes, they're dumber than I already thought they were

[04:52:04]

Lexridge:

Also, it said eventually the 256mb cards would most likely be supported as well.

[04:52:06]

kormoc:

iamlindoro_, Cardoe actually has very specific reasons why

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xack:

tried to install but nothing in start menu?

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Lexridge:

However, I don't want to buy anything based on "most likely"

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, Hmm... what in aprticular?

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Dagmar:

Lexirdge: Considering the difference isn't a whole lot (we're talking $15) I'd suggest going for whatever currently *does for sure* work

[04:52:50]

Lexridge:

I agree

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iamlindoro__:

xack, Mythtv isn't a "apt-get and go"

[04:52:56]

Wagner:

xack... the start menu? you would do well to peruse the manual

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kormoc:

Lexridge, then don't buy it yet. You're talking about *alpha* code that's going to change *a ton* before it's stable

[04:53:05]

iamlindoro__:

xack, You need to read and follow the manual, even with packages

[04:53:11]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I can't comment, but he's gone over it before.

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Dagmar:

...which means digging a little more until you find out which, the G84 or the G86 model is the one that supports PureVideo-HD

[04:53:13]

Lexridge:

kormoc. yea, this is very true.

[04:53:18]

iamlindoro__:

kormoc, ah

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, in other words, I just totally forget

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Dagmar:

I *think*, but I can't be sure, that the difference is one has DDR2 and the other has DDR3, but I can't be certain

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, hehe

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Dagmar:

A bit more digging will certainly turn that up

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kormoc:

xack, what operating system are you attempting to use?

[04:54:23]

Lexridge:

My wife was wanting a xmas list from me, and I thought a new gfx card would make a very nice gift. :)

[04:54:28]

** iamlindoro__ crosses his finger and prays for "linux" as an answer **

[04:54:31]

iamlindoro__:

finger

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iamlindoro__:

s

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Lexridge:

Linux isn't the answer, Linux is the question ;)

[04:54:49]

Dagmar:

There's more pages specifically about GeForce on Wikipedia and I'm sure you'll find the detail you're looking for either there or on eVGA's site

[04:55:07]

Dagmar:

Linux is the cure.

[04:55:11]

whodat:

i double click on the mythtv torrent file and nothing happends. it had no manual.

[04:55:15]

Lexridge:

There are tons of Wikis available. Mind boggling

[04:55:17]

whodat:

do i do it from windows explorer?

[04:55:17]

Wagner:

linux is the headache

[04:55:18]

_abbenormal:

linux is a choice

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Lexridge:

LOL! Linux is everything we want it to be!

[04:55:45]

iamlindoro__:

Linux Is Not Underwater Xylophoning

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Dagmar:

torrent?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, he was attempting to be edgy

[04:56:09]

Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

hopefully some penicillin will fix that

[04:56:29]

whodat:

dagmar: lol, just thought xack was funny

[04:56:41]

iamlindoro__:

I think he was trying to be feisty. Or maybe Gutsy.

[04:56:50]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: only if you visit lots of porn sites. ;)

[04:57:28]

Wagner:

horny herring, linux for the porn fiend

[04:57:46]

Lexridge:

Linux for Porn....Like wearing a condom.

[04:57:55]

whodat:

heh, amazon has books on mythtv

[04:58:07]

Lexridge:

yea, there are a few really good ones.

[04:58:12]

iamlindoro__:

whodat, Jarod's book, presumably

[04:58:36]

Lexridge:

is he the guy that works for Google?

[04:58:40]

whodat:

Stewart Smith and Michael Still

[04:58:43]

iamlindoro__:

He works for Red Hat

[04:58:48]

Dagmar:

Subway

[04:59:03]

Lexridge:

oh, he's the guy with the fedora mythtv site.

[04:59:18]

iamlindoro__:

yeah

[04:59:21]

Lexridge:

not to be confused with mythdora. different guy

[04:59:27]

whodat:

wonder which book would be the better buy

[04:59:32]

whodat:

both have same rating

[04:59:49]

iamlindoro__:

Either is likely to be fairly out of date

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whodat:

true

[05:00:09]

iamlindoro__:

Don't know the other one, but Jarod knows his stuff

[05:00:17]

Wagner:

'linux smart homes for dummies', well that certainly triggers my morbid curiosity

[05:00:33]

Dagmar:

Step 1. Win the Lottery

[05:00:38]

Dagmar:

Step 2. Hire someone with a brain.

[05:00:53]

Wagner:

'create and set up a weather station'

[05:01:00]

Lexridge:

Wagner: I've tinkered in home automation a lot! Not so much with Linux, but did heavely with the Amiga in the 90s.

[05:01:00]

Wagner:

'spy on your neighbors when youre not home'

[05:01:14]

Lexridge:

lol

[05:01:23]

Dagmar:

If you're spying on your neighbors, does it really matter if _you're_ home?

[05:01:52]

Wagner:

actually, the line was 'pets', but i felt it needed to be livened up a bit

[05:02:21]

iamlindoro__:

I totally spy on my dog from work

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iamlindoro__:

it's better than working

[05:02:35]

iamlindoro__:

And makes me much happier too

[05:02:42]

Wagner:

oh look! hes licking himself! how cute...

[05:03:02]

Lexridge:

something is not right about that statement. lol

[05:03:08]

Dagmar:

...and now the loofa...

[05:04:49]

RyeBrye:

http://www.woot.com/ cheap learning remote – beaten with the ugly stick

[05:05:18]

Wagner:

you think it comes with those stickers? or do you have to print them

[05:05:21]

Dagmar:

"We Picked The Wrong Week To Quit Licking Toads" <-- yep, that sums it up

[05:06:22]

Dagmar:

It's hideous.

[05:06:23]

Lexridge:

$2.99 is certainly cheap. Probably works as well as a $2 watch.

[05:06:46]

Wagner:

at least they werent cheesing

[05:07:06]

iamlindoro__:

It's Fon 2 Due

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Lexridge:

I love to have the Logitech Harmony remote, but unless the app works with WINE, it would be useless since I don't have windows installed here at the house anywhere. Well, my wife does, so I guess Windows is for women.

[05:08:15]

Wagner:

there is some form of 3rd party linux program for configuring it

[05:08:30]

Wagner:

in fact, any you can configure it on any web browser

[05:08:33]

Lexridge:

really! Cool...another item for my xmas list.

[05:08:42]

Wagner:

it just takes the application to upload it to the device

[05:08:53]

Lexridge:

Sam's Club has them on sale for $60 right now :)

[05:08:57]

Wagner:

since all configurations are stored on the logitech servers

[05:09:10]

Wagner:

dont take my word on the linux program, ive heard of it but never used it

[05:09:14]

Lexridge:

What!?!?!? On the logitech servers?

[05:09:21]

Wagner:

yeah, its funky

[05:09:36]

Lexridge:

I'll google for it before I commit it to my xmas list lol

[05:09:48]

Wagner:

what model?

[05:10:18]

Lexridge:

it's the lesser of the three, I believe. Don't know of the top of my head.

[05:10:30]

Wagner:

well theres like a dozen varients

[05:10:42]

Lexridge:

really? Okay, well Sams carries three of them.

[05:10:45]

Dagmar:

we like to think of them as deviations

[05:11:04]

Lexridge:

looking it up now

[05:11:07]

Wagner:

here we go, http://www.phildev.net/concordance

[05:11:46]

Lexridge:

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do? . . . ;item=375063

[05:12:04]

Lexridge:

sale price is not shown here btw. Saw it in the store yesterday.

[05:12:39]

Wagner:

well theres really 4 versions

[05:12:57]

Wagner:

big square touch screen one

[05:13:08]

Lexridge:

and very expensive no doubt.

[05:13:16]

Wagner:

color variants on the model you posted

[05:13:20]

Lexridge:

The concordance looks like it may work

[05:13:24]

Wagner:

b/w variants

[05:13:30]

Wagner:

and then a rectangular one

[05:13:39]

Lexridge:

yea

[05:14:26]

Lexridge:

the color variants are more like cell phone slip covers.

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Wagner:

huh?

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Lexridge:

I'm color blind anyway, so it really makes no difference to me.. :)

[05:15:24]

Wagner:

yes it does

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Wagner:

the color ones have a much nicer/larger screen in general

[05:15:46]

Lexridge:

oh, didn't notice that.

[05:16:29]

Lexridge:

it's apparently only the 676 that has the slip covers available

[05:16:52]

Wagner:

oh, i thought you meant color LCD vs. B/W

[05:17:12]

Lexridge:

oh, no. Just now looking them up on logitech's site.

[05:17:32]

Lexridge:

okay, I see what you mean now. Nice!

[05:17:41]

** iamlindoro__ has his weekly cry about Pushing Daisies **

[05:17:59]

Wagner:

about it going away?

[05:18:14]

iamlindoro__:

yar

[05:18:16]

Lexridge:

jeeze, you can literally spend as much as you want to on a remote these days.

[05:18:32]

Dagmar:

I wanted to spend $14.

[05:18:33]

Lexridge:

$500 for the Harmony 1000.. Holy Crap!!!

[05:18:50]

CaptObviousman:

HOW mucH?

[05:18:55]

Lexridge:

those are for folks that have too much money!!

[05:19:03]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: For that much I know some teledildonics people that would proabbly build IR functionality into their units, and then they would be worth paying $500 for... maybe

[05:19:11]

Wagner:

Lexridge: Phillips makes some that go for more than that

[05:19:15]

** CaptObviousman hawks a $1500 2m ethernet cable **

[05:19:22]

Lexridge:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=us,en

[05:20:05]

Lexridge:

I once built a learning remote for my Amiga that plugged into the mouse port. Then, I wrote AREXX scripts to make it do anything I wanted. Could probably do the same thing with linux.

[05:20:16]

CaptObviousman:

I'm sure you could

[05:20:17]

Dagmar:

That's kinda what LIRC is for.

[05:20:19]

Dagmar:

Imagine that.

[05:20:27]

Wagner:

TSU9800, only $1500

[05:20:47]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: yea, I guess so. My present configuration does not allow me use lirc ATM.

[05:20:49]

CaptObviousman:

but would it be elegant, and would people see the thing you've created and gone "My that's neat and it must have been very expensive. I bet this fellow's quite well to do. Maybe I should date him, and marry him, and have lots of babies."

[05:21:03]

RyeBrye:

That harmony 500 is ridiculously large

[05:21:08]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: No free PCI slots for a PCI serial card?

[05:21:24]

RyeBrye:

err – te 1000 that is

[05:22:19]

Lexridge:

Serial would be the way to do it, now that you mention it. My problem is I need to control my sat rx from an IR extender, then resend the data from my frontend. I have to have TWO distinct lircs running, and I've not had the time to make that work.

[05:23:06]

RyeBrye:

I have 2 lircs working

[05:23:40]

Lexridge:

I've looked at a website describing how to do it, and will eventually. Just not today. :)

[05:24:41]

RyeBrye:

Help Button: Confused? Let the Help Button figure it out for you. (No one else has one.)

[05:24:44]

RyeBrye:

Great feature on a remote...

[05:24:51]

Wagner:

depends

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Lexridge:

I understood it to require a lirc for transmit and another daemon for rx.

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Wagner:

the help button just walks you through a series of questions and makes sure all devices are in the state they should be in

[05:25:26]

RyeBrye:

Wagner: do you have one?

[05:25:31]

Wagner:

is the tv on? is it set to input whatever? is the a/v receiver on?....

[05:25:33]

Wagner:

i have two

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iamlindoro__:

I am a firm believer that F1 should be bound on all Myth remotes

[05:26:37]

iamlindoro__:

Many experienced myth users don't even know it exists

[05:26:56]

RyeBrye:

F1?

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Lexridge:

unless they came from windows. F1 is standard for help in winders.

[05:27:44]

kormoc:

and how many windows users use f1?

[05:27:47]

iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye, Exactly :) Try going into watch recordings and press F1

[05:28:15]

Lexridge:

kormoc: good question, but I have on occassion. Not very often honestly lol

[05:28:17]

iamlindoro__:

Very WAF-helpful

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RyeBrye:

Oh. It's not as helpful on the Mepo theme

[05:28:29]

RyeBrye:

Mepo has text for the icons

[05:28:37]

RyeBrye:

"stereo" – Recording is in stereo

[05:28:40]

RyeBrye:

Ah. Thanks :)

[05:29:54]

Wagner:

doesnt seem to do anything in most places

[05:32:31]

iamlindoro__:

Worth it in Watch Recordings alone IMO

[05:33:45]

Lexridge:

do you guys think I did okay with this purchase: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=3774

[05:33:54]

Lexridge:

I got it for $300 including shipping.

[05:34:12]

Wagner:

no

[05:34:17]

Lexridge:

why not

[05:34:31]

Wagner:

i wouldnt buy a monitor that large with a TN panel

[05:34:35]

Lexridge:

I can still send it back...I have 30 days

[05:35:03]

Lexridge:

TN panel?

[05:35:15]

Lexridge:

where did you see that?

[05:35:26]

Wagner:

the viewing angles

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RyeBrye:

Lexridge: bear in mind – Wagner has 2 remote control that cost more than your monitor :P :)

[05:35:56]

Lexridge:

I thought 160 degrees was pretty good

[05:36:01]

Lexridge:

lol

[05:36:09]

Wagner:

RyeBrye: one was $80, the other was $140

[05:36:09]

z4chh:

i recently installed a haupaugge pvr-150 after a mythbuntu installation...the probe of the card detected it fine and seemed to load everything (drivers and device creation)..but when i go into mythtv Tv->system settings, i see "Tuner 1 [MPEG: /dev/video0] is unavailable"

[05:36:13]

iamlindoro__:

You should be able to see it from the back. Through the plastic.

[05:36:21]

iamlindoro__:

360 degree viewing or nothing, that's what I say

[05:36:22]

RyeBrye:

Wagner: For real? You got the Harmony 1000's for that cheap?

[05:36:33]

Wagner:

no, a 550 and an 880

[05:36:36]

RyeBrye:

oh, ok

[05:36:41]

kormoc:

z4chh, likely because it's actively recording?

[05:36:57]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: I'd love to see my monitor through the back! AWESOME!!

[05:37:02]

z4chh:

kormoc, this is the first time i used..i just installed it

[05:37:02]

Wagner:

anyway, 160 degrees is the point at which the contrast ratio falls below 10:1

[05:37:11]

kormoc:

z4chh, so check the logs?

[05:37:13]

sulx:

Wagner: so?

[05:37:33]

** kormoc wonders if there's a wiki page about getting the logs? **

[05:37:36]

Wagner:

one, if you look at the screen standing up, it looks like ass

[05:37:44]

iamlindoro__:

Belongs on the FAQ page

[05:37:53]

iamlindoro__:

We really need to upgrade our beirdobot

[05:38:00]

Wagner:

two, it indicates it is a TN panel, and therefore likely does not actually display 24-bit color

[05:38:22]

Lexridge:

wagner: I just looked at from well above and well to the side, and really no apparent difference. Still looks great.

[05:38:24]

kormoc:

Wagner, because you can tell?

[05:38:26]

iamlindoro__:

My faves would be !logs and !whatkindoftunernumbskull

[05:38:41]

Wagner:

nearly all TN panels only display 18-bit color

[05:38:42]

Dagmar:

!whatkindoftunernumbskull

[05:38:44]

Dagmar:

?

[05:38:45]

sulx:

Wagner: thats just elitism...

[05:38:56]

Lexridge:

humm, I should load some grey scale on it and check for dithering errors

[05:38:59]

iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, "What's the best tuner for Myth?"

[05:39:03]

kormoc:

Wagner, 16 bit color works for me!

[05:39:14]

Wagner:

sulx: absolutely, and when youre buying a 24" monitor, you should be a bit elitist

[05:39:14]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You are completely useless as a bot, you know thta?

[05:39:31]

iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, But useful in other ways. I break even.

[05:39:38]

Dagmar:

Wagner: Being drunk helps a bit, too

[05:39:39]

Lexridge:

The only spec that really bothers me is the 5ms response time

[05:39:44]

sulx:

Wagner: thats true also =)

[05:40:00]

sulx:

tho 24" screens are cheap

[05:40:08]

RyeBrye:

5ms? that doesn't sound too bad

[05:40:12]

kormoc:

Lexridge, cause your tv is 200 fps?

[05:40:18]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: The more you dig the more you will realize that particular stat is so soaked in marketing it's nearly meaningless.

[05:40:26]

RyeBrye:

Kind of like contrast ratio?

[05:40:29]

Lexridge:

oh, okay.

[05:40:30]

Wagner:

yeah, that 5ms is best case

[05:40:31]

Dagmar:

kormoc also makes a good point.

[05:40:35]

sulx:

i have benq G2400W (TN) and i'm very happy with it

[05:40:49]

Wagner:

pretty much anything between 2ms and 8ms has the same response time

[05:40:56]

Dagmar:

Gamers who obsess over getting 60+ fps would care. We're looking at 30fps tops.

[05:41:04]

Wagner:

best case is whatever is advertised, with worst case being somewhere around 20ms

[05:41:21]

sulx:

Wagner: thats true

[05:41:26]

Lexridge:

I thought about a 24" tv, but it was more expensive, and didn't to 1200/1080p

[05:41:38]

sulx:

some 2ms panels were tested to be actually around 25ms :P

[05:41:50]

Lexridge:

that's lovely!

[05:41:59]

Lexridge:

talk about fudging specs!

[05:42:20]

Wagner:

everyone does it, because the masses dont know any better

[05:42:21]

kormoc:

it's not fudging if it's talking only bout memory update speeds and no actual panel update speeds

[05:42:31]

Dagmar:

That and it's just about meaningless.

[05:42:36]

Dagmar:

What are they measuring, exactly?

[05:42:41]

Lexridge:

oh, not fudging, just stretching the truth ;)

[05:42:49]

Wagner:

its absolutely true

[05:42:52]

sulx:

Wagner: extept some of the amplifier manufacturers

[05:42:54]

Dagmar:

Is it the time it takes a pixel to go from black to white? Is it the time it takes a pixel to hit a specific color?

[05:42:54]

kormoc:

Lexridge, not at all, the memory updates that fast

[05:42:57]

Dagmar:

It all varies.

[05:43:02]

sulx:

they even underestimate power outout in their specs

[05:43:11]

Wagner:

it takes them 2ms to get within 10% of their target gray level

[05:43:17]

kormoc:

G2G, BWB, it's all up in the air!

[05:43:30]

Wagner:

nevermind the fact that their overdrive is so aggressive that it overshoots the mark by 50%

[05:43:38]

Lexridge:

holy shit!

[05:44:37]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[05:44:44]

kormoc:

it's all crap, it's better if you all stop buying it and go outside!

[05:44:48]

Dagmar:

This is a rabbit hole that goes very deep, indeed.

[05:44:54]

Lexridge:

seems so

[05:45:42]

Lexridge:

outside: I am mostly outside..lol. My main computer is in my garage. If it were warmer, I'd have the garage door open, but not tonight. :(

[05:47:01]

Lexridge:

I should put this new monitor on my ups and see how much power it actually draws.

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Wagner:

probably 40–60W

[05:47:16]

Dagmar:

You don't own an ammeter?

[05:47:21]

Dagmar:

What kind of geek are you?

[05:47:23]

Dagmar:

*pfft*

[05:47:26]

Dagmar:

;)

[05:47:30]

Wagner:

UPSs usually arent accurate enough to get you better than a few dozen W

[05:47:37]

Lexridge:

I have one at work, but not here. Just an oscope and a multimeter ATM.

[05:48:03]

Wagner:

grab a kill-a-watt next time you buy some parts, they usually run about $15

[05:48:04]

Lexridge:

and a very slow and old oscope at that. 100mhz UGH!

[05:48:13]

Dagmar:

I got one on clearance at a Radio Shack that was closing. It even has a bloody transistor and diode tester built into it

[05:48:19]

Lexridge:

damn, that's cheap!

[05:48:33]

Lexridge:

something else to add to the list .lol

[05:48:52]

Dagmar:

Hmm... dot-lol. There's an idea.

[05:49:10]

Wagner:

new vanity TLD!

[05:49:15]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[05:49:15]

Lexridge:

new file type....what could that be?

[05:49:20]

Wagner:

along with .lulz

[05:49:58]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: yo man

[05:50:15]

Lexridge:

what's happening CCFL?

[05:50:29]

Lexridge:

Wagner: I actually had to look lulz up....lol

[05:51:42]

Lexridge:

wagner: I'm not real up to date on irc slang, as you may have noticed. Thank god for google. :)

[05:52:12]

Lexridge:

CCFL_Man2: So are you still enjoying your commercial HDTV service?

[05:52:28]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: not much, i just peaked my dish at AMC 10

[05:52:29]

Wagner:

you have to reach into the darker crevices of the internet to find true lulz

[05:52:31]

CCFL_Man2:

i am

[05:52:44]

CCFL_Man2:

i'm getting the weather channel hd now

[05:52:50]

Lexridge:

CCFL: Cool!

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Lexridge:

Wagner: The darker Internet...humm. :)

[05:53:39]

Dagmar:

Mm.... HD weather reports

[05:53:52]

Dagmar:

(okay, no i'm not going "there" with that one)

[05:54:27]

Wagner:

in HD, you can tell how many weeks in the female meteorologists are

[05:54:51]

Dagmar:

I'm not even touching that one.

[05:55:15]

Lexridge:

Anyone ever notice how often Weather Channel beauties become pregnant? What's up with that?

[05:55:40]

Wagner:

Lexridge: see previous statement

[05:55:47]

Lexridge:

Someone behind the scenes must be getting plenty of action.

[05:55:48]

Lexridge:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

Wagner: haw!

[05:56:06]

Lexridge:

Funny how noticable that is eh!

[05:56:49]

CCFL_Man2:

i always liked the weather channel

[05:56:56]

Lexridge:

I had a friend who used to work for the WC, he claimed to me that it was his fault. LOL

[05:57:12]

Lexridge:

no wonder his wife left him!

[05:57:12]

CCFL_Man2:

and in hd it just looks sharper

[05:57:18]

CCFL_Man2:

more info on the screen

[05:57:46]

Lexridge:

WC looks fantastic in HD. It's actually one of the better looking HD channels on Dish.

[05:58:07]

CCFL_Man2:

wonder when stehpanie abrams will become pregnant

[05:58:31]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: you should see the broadcast feed on AMC 10

[05:58:31]

Lexridge:

Dunno, but I going through Georgia on the 26th. ;)

[05:58:52]

Lexridge:

I'll bet it looks great at a full 36Mb/s

[06:00:26]

CCFL_Man2:

it's 16mbits mpeg2

[06:00:30]

Lexridge:

actually, I'm not going through georgia. Damit! Shame cause I can tell Steph wants me from the way she look at me in HD.

[06:00:40]

CCFL_Man2:

lol

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Dagmar:

Come on, it's only a short hop out of your way

[06:01:16]

Dagmar:

Then you can tell people you did the weather gir.l

[06:01:29]

Lexridge:

We run a secondary Accu-Wx channel to our CBS, and those babes are even hotter than the WC babes.

[06:01:42]

Lexridge:

yea, bragging rights are always good

[06:01:58]

Dagmar:

Actually, they're pretty useless.

[06:02:23]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: http://www.weatheraffiliate.com/content/mater . . . heet_(2).pdf

[06:02:23]

Wagner:

looks like were on to a third day of wootoffs

[06:02:29]

Dagmar:

Sturdy bed frames are better.

[06:03:03]

iamlindoro__:

Mmm, $1.50 pliers

[06:03:12]

RyeBrye:

yeah, 3 days of wootoffs

[06:03:13]

RyeBrye:

nuts

[06:03:15]

Lexridge:

naw, I like the heavy squeaking and headboard banging of loose bed frames.

[06:03:18]

iamlindoro__:

It's like they're wooting from their closet

[06:03:26]

RyeBrye:

lol :)

[06:03:36]

Wagner:

seems everyone thought the end of this last item would have been the BOC

[06:03:40]

Wagner:

the server is hosed

[06:03:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah but once you attach the eyebolts the thing will come apart which is no good at all.

[06:03:53]

Lexridge:

this is very true!

[06:04:44]

Dagmar:

It used to be highly inadvisable to wake me incautiously, so I wound up getting a sleigh bed that kinda had "overdesigned" written all over it

[06:04:56]

Dagmar:

...cuz I wouldn't break it accidentally.

[06:05:14]

Lexridge:

lol

[06:05:19]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: i am a firm believer of buying programming directly from the broadcaster

[06:05:27]

Dagmar:

The looks on some of my friends faces was hilarious.

[06:05:35]

Dagmar:

The eyebolts were just for decoration, seriously.

[06:05:51]

Lexridge:

great stuff!

[06:06:15]

Lexridge:

CCFL: It's much more expensive to do it that way. Out of my budget.

[06:06:27]

Dagmar:

Looks like woot just ate itself

[06:06:45]

Wagner:

yeah, thats everyone in preparation of the BOC

[06:07:29]

CCFL_Man2:

Lexridge: yeah, almost all broadcasters don't offer consumer accounts

[06:07:40]

Lexridge:

not surprising actually.

[06:08:10]

Lexridge:

Hell, our HD-CBS feed has been dead since last friday!!

[06:09:28]

Lexridge:

Fortunetly, we are not on the air with it yet, or the phones would be lighting up bigtime! However, it's a PiTA because we cannot test our HD equipment without it.

[06:09:29]

CCFL_Man2:

sucks too you only have a few providers to purchase from

[06:10:33]

Lexridge:

Well, we purchase from many syndicators, but none so far are giving us HD feeds, except Entertainment Tonight.

[06:10:54]

Lexridge:

Talk about waiting until the LAST MINUTE!!!

[06:15:40]

Lexridge:

This past weekend, I added a booster to my outdoor antenna, and still cannot pick up and HD signals. That damn hill to the north of me is gonna have to go!

[06:16:03]

Wagner:

youre just going to have to place a repeater tower on top of the hill

[06:16:25]

Dagmar:

I'm sure you can find enough fetilizer to blow it up online if you just look a bit.

[06:16:26]

Lexridge:

yea, I just wanted to avoid that, but you're right. :(

[06:16:29]

Dagmar:

Be sure and use a fake name.

[06:17:03]

Wagner:

ammonium nitrate FTW

[06:17:13]

Lexridge:

Actually, someone said I might try pointing the antenna to the south hill, and hope for reflections.

[06:17:23]

Lexridge:

sounds plausable.

[06:17:29]

Dagmar:

Wagner: Good luck getting your hands on that without a good explanation nowadays

[06:17:35]

Lexridge:

yea

[06:17:38]

Dagmar:

It was easy when I was in college, but no more

[06:17:42]

Dagmar:

They'll think you're making meth

[06:18:08]

Lexridge:

isn't that a bunch of crap. I had to sign my name to buy over the counter cold medicine last month. BASTARDS!!!!

[06:18:11]

Dagmar:

I was making what amounts to jumbo-sized Snap'n'Pops, but that's not something you can readily explain to people

[06:19:09]

Lexridge:

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term SnapnPops.

[06:19:23]

Wagner:

little white balls

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Wagner:

you throw them on the ground, they pop

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Lexridge:

oh, gotcha

[06:19:51]

Wagner:

you could probably crush them in youre hands with no side effects

[06:20:08]

Lexridge:

yea, I've seen them before

[06:20:32]

Lexridge:

something tells me it's time for another Dos'Equis. :)

[06:20:45]

Dagmar:

They sell them around the 4th of July, they're little balls of tissue packed in sawdust.

[06:20:54]

Dagmar:

They contain a wee bit of sand and a bit of a.n.t.i

[06:21:24]

Dagmar:

You can make them bigger, and with just a tiny bit more chemistry knowledge, the little flash can be colored

[06:21:36]

Lexridge:

yea, but can you make them with fertilizer? lol

[06:21:55]

Dagmar:

Ammonium Nitrogen Tri-Iodide

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Wagner:

with a bit more knowledge, they can emit smoke

[06:22:03]

Wagner:

and you can vanish... like a ninja...!

[06:22:21]

Lexridge:

humm, that's what I need when the wife wants to argue.

[06:22:26]

Wagner:

we all know youre real plans Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Wagner: Far as I know that takes saltpeter, which is *another* thing they look at you funny for now

[06:22:53]

Wagner:

funny for saltwater? what if you have fish?

[06:22:54]

Dagmar:

Wagner: Nah man, I used to be deep deep into harmless, mind-bending pranks

[06:23:05]

Dagmar:

No, saltpeter.

[06:23:10]

Dagmar:

Potassium nitrate

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Wagner:

oh, misread. my mistake

[06:23:39]

Wagner:

sitting too far from the monitor it seems

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Lexridge:

I'm glad I sold my 1979 chemistry set last year. I'd be busted by now! ;)

[06:23:58]

Dagmar:

I had *almost* managed to make ninja smoke grenades using eggshells

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Wagner:

besides, vanishing like a ninja has all sorts of uses, it doesnt mean youre going to flip out and kill people

[06:24:22]

Lexridge:

exactly!

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Dagmar:

Some of my experiments made me glad I used asphalt to test on

[06:24:40]

Lexridge:

and they know that too....it's all about control, and nothing else.

[06:24:42]

ruskie:

lol

[06:24:57]

Dagmar:

I got a little stupid and found out the hard way that *some* of the smoke compounds I was working with were flammable.

[06:25:06]

Lexridge:

yikes!

[06:25:09]

Dagmar:

No good to throw down a smoke grenade that results in a big ball of low-temp fire

[06:25:20]

Wagner:

quick fulton! the lights...<rolls on the floor>... turn them off... <rolls some more>

[06:25:26]

Lexridge:

lol

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Dagmar:

It's impressive, but not what i was wanting at *all*

[06:25:54]

Lexridge:

that sounds better than ninja headspins!!!

[06:26:12]

Dagmar:

Setting one's pants on fire really kinda ruins a dramatic entrance/exit

[06:26:49]

Lexridge:

When I was young, like 12, I dropped a firecracker down a supposebly dead gas well. It was not dead!!! DOH!!!!

[06:26:50]

Wagner:

yes, but running out of the room screaming like a little girl has its own type of flair

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Lexridge:

lol

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Whisle-bang or just earth-shaking boom?

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Lexridge:

I did the same thing when the gas well burned off all my facial hair....eyebrows, forehead, etc...It was just a quick blast of flame. I'm lucky it didn't blind me.

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Dagmar:

Wagner: Yeah, um, stop drop and roll isn't just a catchy jingle, mon. ;)

[06:28:43]

Lexridge:

I don't recall the sound, it was just a blast of flame.

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Wagner:

im always partial to the oxy-acetylene mix in a trash bag

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Well, burning gases don't typically make a bang unless they're compressed, but you'll get a mad whistling sound in pipes

[06:29:29]

Lexridge:

funny thing was, I was just trying to catch a frog that was floating at the bottom. Frog catching with firecrackers. What was I thinking?

[06:29:34]

Dagmar:

...or if the gas vents through a narrow place.

[06:30:02]

Lexridge:

yea, that's always a nice bang.

[06:30:15]

Lexridge:

then it generally blows itself out.

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Dagmar:

One or two accidents with chemistry and you really start to take an interest in anything that qualifies as "strange sounds" or "strange smells" as an omen of impending doom.

[06:30:57]

Lexridge:

I'm sure you would. :)

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ruskie:

:)

[06:31:23]

ruskie:

great early morning wakeup around here ;)

[06:32:05]

Lexridge:

In high school chemistry, we used to make butyl nitrate. Fun stuff, but the instructor soon shut us down.

[06:32:38]

Lexridge:

We had everyone in the library sniffing that shit. It was quite funny at the time.

[06:33:14]

Lexridge:

We're just lucky no one had a heart attack from it!

[06:34:11]

Lexridge:

of course, in 1982 that stuff was not illegal. It probably is now however.

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Wagner:

butyl nitrate 'may suppress the immune system'

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Wagner:

well that certainly sounds like something fun to huff

[06:35:56]

Lexridge:

what? Really?

[06:36:22]

Lexridge:

you used to be able to buy it over the counter as "incense". IT was commenly called "Rush"

[06:37:46]

Lexridge:

We always thought it was harmless, but then again, we once thought cigerettes were harmless.

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Wagner:

similar to nitric acid...

[06:38:20]

Lexridge:

lovely!

[06:38:23]

Wagner:

nitric acid was some of the nastiest shit we had at one of my coop jobs, i was a mech/chem tester

[06:38:58]

Wagner:

of course the boiling sulfuric acid wasnt too fun either

[06:39:31]

Wagner:

and the hydrofluoric acid would actually etch the glass ph sensor

[06:39:50]

Wagner:

i guess a lot of the stuff up there was pretty nasty

[06:40:04]

Lexridge:

I was once around a major PCB leak, and at the time, no one ever thought anything about it. We walked thought that shit like it was water. Now.....humm...don't go near it.

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Wagner:

of course later in life, ill probably get lung cancer from breathing in aerosol'd ground carbon fiber

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Lexridge:

I remember in 7th grade science class, we had a quart jar filled with Mercury, and we played with it almost daily!!!! I even soaked my watch in it, and wore it for a year after that....DOH!!!!!

[06:41:50]

Lexridge:

I'm still waiting for those side effects to occur.

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Wagner:

you didnt realize you were already mad?

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Lexridge:

oh I'm mad, just not hatting yet.

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JoEMoMMa:

does mythtv support multi directv reciver control and viewing?

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Lexridge:

mainly just mad at my wife for wanting me to bring down all the christmas decorations this evening. Ugh!

[06:44:16]

Wagner:

JoEMoMMa: mythtv supports directv through analog capture only

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Wagner:

meaning you need one analog capture card, one STB, and one ir blaster for control on each input you want

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JoEMoMMa:

That sucks

[06:45:26]

Wagner:

thats DRM

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JoEMoMMa:

i was looking for a solution that could allow me to control a rack of 48 recivers

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Wagner:

until someone wants to start providing CI modules for use in the US, thats your only option

[06:46:08]

Lexridge:

Joemomma: what about serial control?

[06:46:08]

JoEMoMMa:

CI?

[06:46:22]

JoEMoMMa:

well there is a USB port on the back

[06:46:24]

Wagner:

Common Interface

[06:46:43]

JoEMoMMa:

but finding the software and hardware is the problem

[06:46:52]

JoEMoMMa:

i am not finding much support

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CCFL_Man2:

Wagner: directv support can be integrated into myth with certain dvb cards

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Lexridge:

I don't have Directv anymore, but my old receivers had a serial port on them.

[06:46:59]

Wagner:

its a pcmcia-type card that handles DVB decryption

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JoEMoMMa:

New DTV only has USB

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Wagner:

CCFL_Man2: there are tuner cards with slots for smart cards?

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CCFL_Man2:

Wagner: plus, directv uses the unnoficial dss standard, so it uses no CI

[06:48:18]

Wagner:

i realize it doesnt use CI, but it is encrypted

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Wagner:

ive not actually gone looking, but short of a softcam, i know of no way to directly access the streams on a computer

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CCFL_Man2:

Wagner: smart card is connected to the serial port

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CCFL_Man2:

there is a hack with tsreader

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Lexridge:

oh yea, I've read about that.

[06:49:39]

JoEMoMMa:

USB to serial is suppose to work ....but i need to control 48 receivers independantly

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CCFL_Man2:

with an authorized card from an older receiver, smart card reader, and some plugins

[06:50:41]

CCFL_Man2:

such can be integrated into linuxtv

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Lexridge:

you will need something like a DeviceMaster for that.

[06:51:25]

Lexridge:

http://www.comtrol.com/products/deviceservers

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CCFL_Man2:

myth could read the epg

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CCFL_Man2:

dss master epg

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Wagner:

i did not realize such an option existed

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Wagner:

i wonder what side of the gray area that falls under, as far as possible mythtv support

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Lexridge:

good question

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JoEMoMMa:

so are we stating that mythtv will not offer a solution for me?

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CCFL_Man2:

Wagner: same grey area as a softcam that uses your legal subscription to dish network if such a thing existed

[06:53:41]

Wagner:

likely nothing short of calling up directv and requesting some special licensing will work for you

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Lexridge:

and you should be able to do that, indeed.

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Wagner:

and considering you have 48 receivers, you are obviously part of come substantial commercial operation

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Lexridge:

We do the same thing with Dish

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Wagner:

and they may very well have an option for you

[06:55:25]

JoEMoMMa:

there is options out there....through other poviders

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Lexridge:

DTV should offer you direct support.

[06:55:53]

CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: how about a dish farm and commercial subscriptions?

[06:56:06]

JoEMoMMa:

what?

[06:56:19]

JoEMoMMa:

DTV will not allow that

[06:56:32]

JoEMoMMa:

U must have a headend at each property

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Wagner:

bunch of C-band antenna on your roof, and you get special licenses straight from the networks

[06:56:45]

Wagner:

then run your own local cable system

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Lexridge:

Local cable companies in my area bring in distant network affilates via Dish, so DTV should offer the same service.

[06:56:57]

JoEMoMMa:

That is what i do

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JoEMoMMa:

I am a KSO for Directv

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: what you mean?

[06:57:23]

Lexridge:

what is KSO?

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JoEMoMMa:

i build headends and deploy to multi users

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JoEMoMMa:

key system operator

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JoEMoMMa:

like condos

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JoEMoMMa:

and apartments

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Lexridge:

you should then be able to do this directly from DTV.

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JoEMoMMa:

Lex...hahahahaha

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: a kso would be someone who operates small catv setups for apartments and condos?

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JoEMoMMa:

Directv doesnt shit

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kormoc:

JoEMoMMa, language...

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Lexridge:

if not, dump their equipment and switch to Dish. At least tell DTV you can do this, and they will bite.

[06:58:55]

artus35:

Hi all

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JoEMoMMa:

Yeah...i like DTV's technology

[06:59:07]

artus35:

does anybody know a german mythtv channel?

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JoEMoMMa:

for running digital

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artus35:

or somebody who knows the xmltv script ?

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d0nets is now known as d0netsFN

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: i have a c band dish farm and will be purchasing commercial accounts from programming brokers and broadcasters

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JoEMoMMa:

i can stack 8 receivers...analog channels and docsis cable modem internet on one wire with DTV

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JoEMoMMa:

ccfl you have that now?

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Lexridge:

joemomma: are you getting a ASI output from these receivers?

[07:00:27]

CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: yeah, the subscription i have now is the weather channel

[07:00:28]

JoEMoMMa:

ASI?

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Lexridge:

I guess not;

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JoEMoMMa:

what does it mean?

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CCFL_Man2:

asi is transport stream output

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Lexridge:

Generally, a cable provider will get an ASI output, and convert this to QAM for transport.

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Wagner:

mythtv is absolutely not something you should be looking at for such a solution

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Lexridge:

I agree

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JoEMoMMa:

CCFL....i do not want to use Cband....because it will require cable truck lines across the market

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JoEMoMMa:

Lex....DTV does not work good with Qam

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JoEMoMMa:

but Dish does

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: truck or trunk?

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JoEMoMMa:

Trunk

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, yeah

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JoEMoMMa:

I dont want that

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JoEMoMMa:

i am in a big market

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: how to you connect dish network to qam?

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Lexridge:

Well, what does that tell you? I have worked with Dish on a professional level, and they are great to work with.

[07:02:47]

JoEMoMMa:

They have Qam converters....

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: oh, they have their own?

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JoEMoMMa:

Lex....Dish does not pay as good a DTV

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JoEMoMMa:

and there Headends are much higher

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Lexridge:

No, they offer receiver with ASI outputs however, for professional use.

[07:03:49]

CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: ever think about HITS?

[07:03:58]

JoEMoMMa:

with dish u can convert to QAM and then install a dish receiver in the unit

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Lexridge:

If you are in the cable industry, you need to be using ASI to QAM. Google for it

[07:04:16]

JoEMoMMa:

but this gets very expensive

[07:04:27]

JoEMoMMa:

Lex i know of it

[07:04:33]

Lexridge:

yea, it is not cheap, but your options are very limited.

[07:04:55]

CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: actually, i'm a home user, but i just want the master broadcast signal

[07:05:12]

JoEMoMMa:

There is not need....i can build a 48 channel analog headend with a digital overlay and

[07:05:20]

JoEMoMMa:

internet for like 11,000]

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro would be the one to ask. He has worked in the cable industry. I have not.

[07:05:32]

CCFL_Man2:

digital overlay how?

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JoEMoMMa:

just dyplex it in

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JoEMoMMa:

2–1000 MHZ for analog

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: what would be your digital sources?

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JoEMoMMa:

and 1000–2500 MHZ for digital

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JoEMoMMa:

A directv dish antenna

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JoEMoMMa:

the LNB converts to the 950-to 2.3ghz range

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JoEMoMMa:

understand?

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, you mean in one cable

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JoEMoMMa:

yes

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JoEMoMMa:

and now they have SWM technology

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JoEMoMMa:

it allows for up to 8 tuners and anything 950mhz and lower all on the same wire

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, stacked>

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JoEMoMMa:

will SWM is like stacked

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JoEMoMMa:

it uses channels 1–8

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JoEMoMMa:

when u tune to a digital channel it send a return path signal to the SWM switch...

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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Lexridge:

g'nite all. My head is about to explode

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CCFL_Man2:

night

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JoEMoMMa:

the switch then sends that back to the reciver

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: so what analog modulators do you use?

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JoEMoMMa:

i would like a system that will allow me to control my ananlog headends via the network

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JoEMoMMa:

i use mini mods

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JoEMoMMa:

from who ever is cheapest

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CCFL_Man2:

RL drake?

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JoEMoMMa:

no pace electronics

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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JoEMoMMa:

or north american cable

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JoEMoMMa:

north american cable has them for like 65 bucks

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CCFL_Man2:

what kind of control do you meed?

[07:10:45]

CCFL_Man2:

thats cheap

[07:11:11]

JoEMoMMa:

welll for a KSO it is

[07:11:30]

JoEMoMMa:

but if i was running a farm like your i would invest into expensive ones

[07:11:53]

JoEMoMMa:

but see i have to purachse like 2 headends a month at like 13,000

[07:12:03]

JoEMoMMa:

so i by the cheap stuff

[07:12:33]

JoEMoMMa:

i need to be able to control the receivers in my analog headend

[07:12:48]

JoEMoMMa:

like change channels....reboot

[07:12:50]

CCFL_Man2:

IR control?

[07:13:03]

JoEMoMMa:

infra red?

[07:13:23]

JoEMoMMa:

is that what u mena?

[07:13:26]

JoEMoMMa:

mean

[07:13:29]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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JoEMoMMa:

anything IR in a headend is risking

[07:14:01]

JoEMoMMa:

could change other recivers

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CCFL_Man2:

what other control would you use?

[07:14:15]

JoEMoMMa:

there is a USB port on the back of the receivers

[07:14:20]

JoEMoMMa:

it accept commands

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CCFL_Man2:

JoEMoMMa: will directv allow that?

[07:14:52]

JoEMoMMa:

yes...

[07:15:09]

CCFL_Man2:

they just usb to serial converters?

[07:15:18]

JoEMoMMa:

they have had stuff like that since the low data port back in the day

[07:15:41]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah, the low speed data port is easy to set up control for

[07:16:03]

JoEMoMMa:

is it....for multi tuners?

[07:16:24]

JoEMoMMa:

and control them over IP

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CCFL_Man2:

each serial port connects to a serial terminal server

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JoEMoMMa:

well it is a USB

[07:17:04]

JoEMoMMa:

so it would have to be serial to usb somehow

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CCFL_Man2:

there is the issue though

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JoEMoMMa:

maybe with a usb-to-serial cable

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CCFL_Man2:

you'd need to contact directv for a solution

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CCFL_Man2:

they should be able to offer headend solutions

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JoEMoMMa:

probly not....they mostly will tell me to contact a distributor

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mzb_d800:

is there a way of using an external script to play a video file (nuv) using the internal player?

[07:29:12]

mzb_d800:

_or_ is there a player other than mplayer?

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Wagner:

mzb_d800: the internal player is available with the command 'mythtv'

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

thanks Wagner

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mzb_d800:

I don't suppose I can give it a list of files?

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Wagner:

never used it

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Wagner:

however you can always use your script to loop through the videos manually

[07:35:52]

Wagner:

just do something like 'for video in $list; do; mythtv $video; done;'

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mzb_d800:

I guess, thanks

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mzb_d800:

might make exiting interesting ;)

[07:37:49]

Wagner:

well extra sleep tonight... i think im coming down with a cold

[07:38:04]

mzb_d800:

garlic + vitamin C ;)

[07:38:25]

Wagner:

well i know about the OJ overdose... but garlic?

[07:38:37]

mzb_d800:

natural antibiotic

[07:38:41]

Wagner:

really

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mzb_d800:

and has the additional benefit of keeping other people away ;)

[07:40:06]

Wagner:

seems its not very effective when taken orally

[07:40:24]

mzb_d800:

garlic capsules

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Wagner:

seems the stomach acids destroy it

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mzb_d800:

I've got a poor immune system (long story), so I've got a good supply of garlic capsules + vitC tablets

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mzb_d800:

makes a difference imo

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... getting the hurry up to cook bbq ... bbl

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DGnome:

Anyboy alive that can tell me how well deinterlacing works with VDPAU? Can nvidia do it as well as GreedyH2x and Yadif2x?

[09:29:27]

justinh:

better, even.. apparently

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justinh:

they've even got adaptive deinterlacing going on, so the blurb says

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justinh:

so possibly as good as the best you can buy in external boxes

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Dibblah:

(Comparable to faroudja deinterlacing / scaling, apparently.

[09:42:46]

Dibblah:

... Which is one of the chipsets used in the higher end of the projector / upscaling DVD market.

[09:43:51]

justinh:

yuppers :)

[09:44:07]

justinh:

damn. my nxserver seems brokened

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Dibblah:

Bloody stupid thing.

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Dibblah:

For me, it was always a licensing failure.

[09:45:03]

Dibblah:

Their "free forever" single-user thing kept on expiring.

[09:46:00]

justinh:

it'll start a new desktop session but the screen will be completely blank

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justinh:

wonder how many more remote file copies I can sneak under the radar before IT twig

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Dibblah:

Copies how?

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justinh:

sftp

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Dibblah:

Surprised your company allows ssh...

[09:52:58]

justinh:

I'm not stupid ;-)

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justinh:

they block ports not protocols

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Dibblah:

In which case, they are stupid.

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Dibblah:

Or just can't afford a decent firewall guy.

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justinh:

for a company who relies so heavily on intellectual property they allow a lot they shouldn't

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directhex:

like the company warez tracker!

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Dibblah:

justinh: AFAIK, -vid is destined to be able to do a "video wall" kind of presentation.

[09:58:27]

Dibblah:

re the discussion in #mythtv last night.

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justinh:

urgh. the filter popup doesn't seem to be worky :(

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DrDigi:

i got a maybe weird question...

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DrDigi:

i use to be a comcast contractor

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DrDigi:

and in riverbank ca

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DrDigi:

i climbed a telephone poll doing tap audits back in 2005, it was a commerical/residential area mainly had retirement complexs

[10:19:16]

DrDigi:

this particular poll was unique, i never seen anything like it before

[10:19:32]

DrDigi:

it had an antenna, short yet fat (thick) like arial deals

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DrDigi:

and a fat coax cable that went into the tap, RG11

[10:19:58]

DrDigi:

and it was tagged with an address

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DrDigi:

is it possible to have cable tv hooked to an antenna and pick up more stations nearby with an antenna?

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Finswimmer:

hello, i want to use a frontend on a different machine: liveTV, small movie previews of recordings work, but recordings are not show. just a black screen for 3–5 secs, then return to the recording screen.

[10:24:29]

Finswimmer:

on my laptop (also gentoo, same version of mythtv) it works...

[10:25:19]

DrDigi:

doesnt seem anyones really around

[10:26:13]

justinh:

DrDigi: or maybe people don't care about what you're talking about

[10:26:48]

DrDigi:

or have any clue

[10:26:58]

justinh:

sounds like a silly proposition to me though, trying to hack an antenna onto a cable

[10:27:30]

Finswimmer:

the only difference between my laptop and the other machine is: no working nvidia GL on my machine. but that should not be the problem as liveTV works, right?

[10:27:31]

justinh:

as in a cable cable, not an antenna downlead cable ;)

[10:27:54]

justinh:

Finswimmer: well, look in the output of mythfrontend when you run it from a terminal

[10:28:03]

justinh:

see what errors it gives

[10:28:28]

justinh:

DrDigi: anyway, your question has nothing to do with mythtv really :P

[10:28:47]

Finswimmer:

2008-12–11 11:29:00.596 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingPreRecorded

[10:28:49]

Finswimmer:

2008-12–11 11:29:00.598 GetRecordBasename found no entry

[10:28:51]

Finswimmer:

2008-12–11 11:29:07.104 RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '//'.

[10:28:54]

Finswimmer:

2008-12–11 11:29:08.256 PlaybackBox Error: Could not open file for preview video.

[10:29:27]

justinh:

DrDigi: and for a cable tech not to know the basics of how cable & over the air TV work.. and how they're simply not of the same orders of magnitude in strength.. game over, man

[10:29:37]

Finswimmer:

But searching for "invalid file" does not helped me...all problems were about issues where frontend/backend are on the same machine.

[10:29:54]

DrDigi:

people come here talking about arial antennas and antennaweb.org or whatever, so its a source of signal for a mythtv system

[10:29:58]

justinh:

Finswimmer: is the hostname of the laptop frontend the same as the backend perchance?

[10:30:17]

DrDigi:

justinh, your talking signal engineering, not installation or a tap auditor

[10:30:25]

justinh:

DrDigi: SHUT UP

[10:30:44]

DrDigi:

tap audit you look at a tap, report if anything is wrong with it, and verify if customers are getting what they are paying for

[10:31:01]

DrDigi:

so why dont you stfu

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Finswimmer:

justinh: backend: finswimmer-desktop; laptop: tobi-lap; machine: tobi-desktop

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DrDigi:

i can take pictures of another one i spoted trhe other day in my city, an antenna cooked to a cable tap all tagged

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justinh:

Finswimmer: try adding -v playback to the frontend start command.. then see what log output you get

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Finswimmer:

justinh: can I paste 12 lines here?

[10:34:35]

justinh:

no

[10:35:19]

Finswimmer:

k. then: http://rafb.net/p/RyY7FT36.html

[10:36:11]

Finswimmer:

2008-12–11 11:34:28.920 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.5:6543/19403_20081211090000.mpg): CalcReadAheadThresh(3462137632 KB)

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Finswimmer:

-> threshhold(64 KB) min read(0 KB) blk size(32 KB

[10:36:23]

Finswimmer:

this is when preview is showning...

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Finswimmer:

it seems to me as the recording has no reference to the real file?

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justinh:

GetRecordBasename found no entry

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justinh:

big clue there

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Finswimmer:

hmm. but why. and why does it work on the same time with the same recording on my laptop?

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Finswimmer:

justinh: thanks for the clue. it was the different timezone that leads recordings to crash. after setting it on my frontend everything is working.

[10:52:55]

Finswimmer:

:D

[10:53:14]

Finswimmer:

but why the time matters when playing a recorded show...a do not know

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justinh:

oh, like you wouldn't believe

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justinh:

I dunno if this still happens but the timestamps in the recordings are done in local time offsets IIRC, so the frontends have to be in the same timezone

[10:55:36]

justinh:

a fair assumption to make in reality

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justinh:

then again the error wasn't about offsets in files or anything like that

[10:56:37]

justinh:

it was that it couldn't find a file.. or related to that. weird

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sid3windr:

so what if your backend/hobby room is in one timezone, and your bedroom is in another!

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justinh:

er.. hard luck!

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justinh:

what if you see an antenna on a pole & decide you have every right to receive whatever signal is being used there? :-O

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

sorry. on a POLL

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justdave:

hmm, are there any known problems with TV/DVD playback being slightly jittery on .21?

[11:13:57]

justdave:

seem to remember some talk about that right after it came out

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justdave:

my main box hasn't had problems, the one in question has been hooked up to an analog TV since then. Just switched it to an HDTV, and it's noticeable

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mzb_d800:

wow ... that was different .. made a mistake somewhere and calling "mythtv" from a script ended up with livetv! heh

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justinh:

and that's surprising why? ;-)

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sid3windr:

justinh: dude, it was a poll which was NEVAR seen before.

[11:23:31]

justdave:

mythtv is live tv :) myth-frontend is the menu thing

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sid3windr:

mzb_d800: you could even make a perl script and call it mythtv and it would do mythtv stuff in only 20 lines!

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sid3windr:

:>

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mzb_d800:

justinh: unexpected behaviour from calling "mythtv" from a script

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justinh:

hmmm. think there might still be a bug in the cutdown code

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mzb_d800:

I'm using mythtv in preference to mplayer for .nuv files (external script) for better aspect/zoom functions

[11:26:24]

justinh:

"Get Your Act Together with Harvey Goldsmith" is cut down but "Clive Anderson's Chat Room" is clipped at both ends

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mzb_d800:

ie: in movie collection (myth video) I have a "Random Selection" option

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justdave:

does myth on linux support bluetooth remotes?

[11:33:34]

justinh:

if it works like a keyboard, or it's a lirc supprted device, myth will work

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justinh:

no odds

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mzb_d800:

nice to have _something_ before the rest of the planet ... thanks Wallace & Gromit!

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bazzawilleee:

hi everybody

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bazzawilleee:

hi MasseR

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mzb_d800:

sid3windr: ps I'm using bash/sh and I reckon you could make that _1_ line ;)

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mzb_d800:

(slow reaction time;))

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bazzawilleee:

does any1 know how to prevent a frontend from showing a HD channel or recording it crashes my machine

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justinh:

playback groups I think

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justinh:

for the recording part at least

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doc___:

hi there

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justinh:

!seen there

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MythLogBot:

there has not been seen here

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bazzawilleee:

cheers I'll have a look

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justinh:

hrm. maybe recording groups, not playback groups.

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bazzawilleee:

I want to be able to record HD because it plays back in xine just not myth

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justinh:

course, if you were to learn WHY it crashes on that box it'd avoid you needing to work around it

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bazzawilleee:

well it probable crashes because it is single core and single core is not the best for HD

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justinh:

bull

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jduggan:

haha

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mzb_d800:

then why does it play in xine?

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justinh:

it more than likely is crashing for some other (rational) reason

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jduggan:

if it plays in xine your single core argument fails :)

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bazzawilleee:

its not perfect in xine

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jduggan:

it could be a vast array of reasons causing it, always best to investigate why, though, right?

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justinh:

no, fixz teh simptum!

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bazzawilleee:

yeah probably but that seams like a lot of effort when its just as easy not to play in myth and use xine :P

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bazzawilleee:

until I upgrade that is

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mzb_d800:

micro$oft mentality

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mzb_d800:

?

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bazzawilleee:

so then does anybody have HD working flawlessly on a single core machine?

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bazzawilleee:

my case is rested

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mzb_d800:

no response != conclusion

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jduggan:

bazzawilleee: infact, in linux, single core with lots of mhz is better than dualcore with lower mhz

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bazzawilleee:

so where do I begin to tshoot getting HD to play nicely?

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jduggan:

does mplayer play it?

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mzb_d800:

bazzawilleee: tried installing gkrellmd and watching remotely with "gkrellm -s" ?

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bazzawilleee:

not well stutters badly & out of sync unless you use -framedrop then it only stutters occasionally

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jduggan:

well, that does sound symptomatic of a slow system

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jduggan:

you say xine struggles also?

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jduggan:

run mythfrontend with -v playback

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jduggan:

and check back on logs

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jduggan:

for anything suspicious

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jduggan:

what's the spec of the system?

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bazzawilleee:

xine has some lines through it I think it might be missing some lines

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bazzawilleee:

amd 2600 if I remember correctly jst checking

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mzb_d800:

bazzawilleee: tried installing gkrellmd and watching remotely with "gkrellm -s" ?

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bazzawilleee:

mzb no I havent

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mzb_d800:

*hint* ;)

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jduggan:

are you using any offloading?

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jduggan:

xvmc?

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jduggan:

vdpau?

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jduggan:

if you're not

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jduggan:

the problem is right at the bit where you said amd 2600

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jduggan:

thats what? 2ghz?

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bazzawilleee:

I thinks so

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jduggan:

quite often the phrase "MOAR MHZ" is echoed round these parts ;)

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mzb_d800:

the 2GHz athlons are >"3000+" iirc

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jduggan:

what bitrate is the video?

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bazzawilleee:

still checking MHZ (cant remember best cmd to do so) how do I check bitratre ?

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mzb_d800:

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ^model\ name

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bazzawilleee:

1250mhzz

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jduggan:

hah seriously, no wonder it's struggling

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jduggan:

or grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo :o

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mzb_d800:

$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz

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FinnTux:

bazzawilleee, you sure you have correct multiplier in use?

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FinnTux:

2600 should have higher frequency

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bazzawilleee:

could be wrong about chip

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FinnTux:

not that it would be enough for HD but anyways

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mzb_d800:

out of interest, isn't the 2600 a Sempron?

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bazzawilleee:

so anyway I might have been wrong about dual core but I was right about the upgrade and for now xine is working well enough so I just want to stop myth from crashin

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bazzawilleee:

when I do something stupid :)

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mzb_d800:

lol

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bazzawilleee:

can I get myth at least to start live tv on one channel always and set that to non HD

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mzb_d800:

so your main problem is KCI errors?

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bazzawilleee:

KCI?

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mzb_d800:

keyboard-chair interface

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mzb_d800:

== human ;)

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bazzawilleee:

yeah lol PEBKAC or ID10T

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slaine_:

Hey guys, been a while since I was on here

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bazzawilleee:

although I cant watch live tv because its set to a HD channel

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mzb_d800:

you can set mythtv to start livetv on a particular channel (for the first time) but it will restart on the last watched channel for that tuner

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mzb_d800:

you *may* be able to get around that problem by pressing pause before video becomes available

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slaine_:

I'm pretty sure the following question has been asked before and I'm seeing plenty of mentions of it on google, but I'm having trouble finding anything of substance. So I'd appreciate you're help. I'm interested in seting up an STB device in my bedroom, something like an Amino, to get access to the mpeg2 recordings on my mythtv box in the living room.

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mzb_d800:

(and various other tricks)

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** mzb_d800 avoids googling for amino **

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slaine_:

Is there any projects for rtsp streaming of content from mythtv or should I look at rolling my own with either live555 media server or vlc ?

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mzb_d800:

I've recently read mention of rtsp streaming with mythtv (inc. vlc), so it can't be that hard to find with google.

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mzb_d800:

but then I guess "substance" is relative ;)

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slaine_:

I'll check with those search params

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slaine_:

indeed :)

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slaine_:

lol, first hit

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slaine_:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /104473.html

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slaine_:

Might craft a user job to do this automagically

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slaine_:

would be really nice to do something that streamed almost livetv from the ring buffer

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mzb_d800:

yeah, figured it couldn't be too hard as I fell across mention of it without looking (directly) for it;)

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squish102:

as i was building a new myth box, the open-box mobo from newegg died :(, so now i have an AMD X2 chip and no mobo. any suggestions on a cheap mobo?

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squish102:

i had an ati hd3200 with hdmi out. and after lots of fighting, i got it 95% working, but i think i am going to give up on ati

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squish102:

so anyone have a mobo with hdmi, and sound through hdmi (onboard), or do all nvidia cards work?

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directhex:

something with 9000-series or 8000-series inside is best

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slaine_:

nice list of cheap hardware here, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . pu&num=1

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squish102:

thanks

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noaXess:

hi all

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justinh:

!seen all

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MythLogBot:

all has not been seen here

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noaXess:

how can i quick test my video device? i have a haupage wintv cx88 card inside and it is on /dev/video0.. but before i want install mythtv i whant test it..

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noaXess:

justinh: i mean hi everybody ;)

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justinh:

!seen everybody

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MythLogBot:

everybody has not been seen here

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noaXess:

justinh: .. hi justinh

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justinh:

noaXess: try tvtime

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noaXess:

justinh: ok.. installing it

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justinh:

btw is it an analogue or a digital tuner?

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justinh:

if it's a digital tuner, tvtime won't work

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mzb_d800:

!seen justinh's_backside

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MythLogBot:

justinh's_backside has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

*phew*

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mzb_d800:

;)

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justinh:

!seen intelligent_conversation

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MythLogBot:

intelligent_conversation has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

just as well

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mzb_d800:

we'd both have to leave!

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justinh:

it's only going to get worse in the runup to christmas

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mzb_d800:

blood/alcohol ?

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justinh:

no, the amount of unclued coming here

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mzb_d800:

really? I though it'd get worse _after_ ;)

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mzb_d800:

(and before the "faulty" parts get returned;)

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justinh:

nah there's a certain amount of people who'll be on a mission to "get that thing worky before xmas"

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mzb_d800:

heh .. ok

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justinh:

oh dear. the work wiki is down . again

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mzb_d800:

I'm the same, in a way, except my aims are not directly Christmas-related. My sister is arriving on Boxing Day ... I'm going camping the next day ;)

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mzb_d800:

hoping to get the whole house easier to run before I go

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mzb_d800:

(apart from switching off the mains;)

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clever:

MythLogBot: your back!!!

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justinh:

clever: your stinky!

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clever:

justinh: and?

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justinh:

ahh well, in case of being unable to do 'real' work.. back to the theme

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jduggan:

\o/

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mzb_d800:

!seen the_most_clever_person

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MythLogBot:

the_most_clever_person has not been seen here

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** mzb_d800 needs another hobby **

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mzb_d800:

!seen the least clever person

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MythLogBot:

the least clever person has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

gee

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mzb_d800:

that levels the playing field ;))

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mzb_d800:

!seen anyone with a brain

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MythLogBot:

anyone with a brain has not been seen here

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** mzb_d800 loses all hope **

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . oncept20.png

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mzb_d800:

!seen anyone who wants a beer

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MythLogBot:

anyone who wants a beer has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

at last!

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** mzb_d800 feels some achievement **

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** mzb_d800 releases his tight grip **

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mzb_d800:

(on beer;)

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Dibblah:

!seen common sense

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MythLogBot:

common sense has not been seen here

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Dibblah:

Yeah, thought not.

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justinh:

hrm. little else to do on this screen but sort the fonts out a bit & dump those sucky icons

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laga:

3

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laga:

oops

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clever:

im getting some ghosting on this HDTV

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clever:

it looks allmost like the analog signal is reflecting off a building and comming back delayed slightly

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clever:

anything else that could cause that?

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justinh:

ghosting? plenty. like crappy cabling

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mzb_d800:

did you say analogue?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

the hotel is feeding analog into the hdtv :P

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Dibblah:

If it's analog, it's not HD.

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clever:

looks horid from up close

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justinh:

ask for your money back

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mzb_d800:

stand back and squint?

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clever:

they also velcro'd a small cable box to the back of the tv

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justinh:

or just try not to notice the noise til you're at the vinegar strokes – by which point it won't matter

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mzb_d800:

heh

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clever:

and the remote was replaced

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clever:

so you cant access any of the picture addjustments or sleep modes

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justinh:

is there any way to stop these messages appearing? "14:38 < clever> so you cant access any of the picture addjustments or sleep modes"

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mzb_d800:

that's when you need an h2200 ;)

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Dibblah:

clever: Do you know the word minutiae?

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clever:

Dibblah: sounds like your spelling needs work

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mzb_d800:

heh

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Dibblah:

Really?

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Dibblah:

Sure about that?

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mzb_d800:

*cackle*

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clever:

or its a rarely used work:P

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Dibblah:

That'd be 'word'.

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clever:

oops

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Dibblah:

for your edification.

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mzb_d800:

!seen anything really small

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MythLogBot:

anything really small has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

well that fixes that problem

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Dibblah:

!seen something invisible

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MythLogBot:

something invisible has not been seen here

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mzb_d800:

MythLogBot seems to be stretching his legs tonight ;)

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mzb_d800:

!slap me

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mzb_d800:

but not his arms, it seems ;)

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justinh:

!trout mzb_d800

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** MythLogBot slaps mzb_d800 with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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mzb_d800:

bugger!

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** mzb_d800 fillets the trout, stuffs it with the logs from this # and feeds it to justinh **

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prime38:

what kind of loading times can i expect if i turn mythtv off, or is it power efficent enough you dont have to turn it off?

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justinh:

RUH?!

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

prime38: depends

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prime38:

im just wondering if my powerbill will die if i leave this thing on all the time

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clever:

i had one of my frontends booting in 40 seconds before

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clever:

with work i could trim it even lowrr

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prime38:

cool

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mzb_d800:

depends 99% on your hardware

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justinh:

if your system is a behemoth that eats power all the time...

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justinh:

really has FA to do with mythtv though

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mzb_d800:

(and what state you leave it in when "idle")

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prime38:

i havent built it yet, but i would buy efficient parts if that means i can leave it on

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justinh:

and how efficient your PC's PSU is.. and what hardware you have

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prime38:

built/bought

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prime38:

like i said, none of this matters if it starts up in seconds

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justinh:

'it' ?

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clever:

ive also played with putting my frontend into standby so it would wake up in seconds

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prime38:

the computer that will run mythtv

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justinh:

meaning which linux distro?

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mzb_d800:

>3 seconds is too long ;) ... buy "efficient" hardware in the first place ;)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: a tivo can take > 60 secs to boot up from cold

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justinh:

cable STBs can take longer

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justinh:

satellite STBs can take as long as cable STBs

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mzb_d800:

nasty

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prime38:

another question i had is about hooking up with DirectTV

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prime38:

which i currently subscribe too

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mzb_d800:

remind me again why I bought an M10K ?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: because you like dicking around with hardware & tweaking stuff

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justinh:

:)

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mzb_d800:

too true

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mzb_d800:

correction: why I did a job that paid me an M10K ;)

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justinh:

so how long did that box take to boot up from cold?

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justinh:

not S3 or whatever...

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mzb_d800:

^^ clever ??

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clever:

i had a clean install of lenny booting in ~40 seconds

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prime38:

anyhow this wouldnt be for me actually, it would be for my mom who has wanted a tivo thing for christmas

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justinh:

oh hell. forget it & buy a standalone DVR

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prime38:

i figure after a year the subscribtion savings are substantial

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prime38:

thats my only reason

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justinh:

no, no, no, NO

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justinh:

well, savings to HER maybe, since you'll have to spend a lot of time putting it together, time maintaining it.. yada yada

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mzb_d800:

closest I've got to "seconds" is hibernate (suspend to disk) on my tuner backend ... but the USB tuner eventually b0rks, and mythtv can't handle that (more b0rk3dn3ss)

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justinh:

mythtv isn't about saving money as such. reviews which say "cheaper than tivo" are missing the point somewhat

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prime38:

yes, i suppose

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prime38:

i mean, as long as it doesnt explode on itself how much upkeep is there?

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mzb_d800:

for me, mythtv is about watching what I want, the _WAY_ I want to

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justinh:

upkeep is pretty minimal, but getting to the stage where it all just works (tm) can take a lot of time

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mzb_d800:

(and being able to change that at will)

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prime38:

mzb_d800: i agree, which is also why i wanted to try it

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mzb_d800:

getting to the point where you have enough knowledge to do that is another matter

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justinh:

factor in the cost of a box being on 24/7.. it starts to overtake the cost of a standalone DVR

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GreyFoxx:

ooooh new slackware

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GreyFoxx:

yay

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mzb_d800:

as with most of my "bargains", you have to value your time as == $0/hr for it to make sense ;)

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justinh:

for me it's about having one box under my TV as opposed to three

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justinh:

or four...

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justinh:

prime38: does your mom surf channels a lot?

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mzb_d800:

just add an analogue tuner if you want to surf ;)

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justinh:

mythtv isn't really suited to people who graze hundreds of channels & flip a lot

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prime38:

no, she just wants to record

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prime38:

and probably be able to pause TV

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justinh:

and bear in mind that with only one cable box you can only record/watch one thing at a time. you could record from the cable box & play back a previously made recording though

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justinh:

and bear in mind that mythtv will need to change channels on the cable box, which introduces a delay in changing channels

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justinh:

I love mythtv but I wouldn't give it to my parents

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justinh:

I don't hate them

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mzb_d800:

mine wouldn't have it ... too complicated

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mzb_d800:

(ie: too many buttons, etc)

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prime38:

right, can it change the channels on the sattelite reciever?

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justinh:

not without an IR blaster or somesuch hardware, NO

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prime38:

oh, gay

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justinh:

gay? you expect mere software to magically control a set top box?

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mzb_d800:

iow: yes, but not magically

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prime38:

well not magically....

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mzb_d800:

(trivial to build)

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justinh:

maybe you misunderstood the answer in that case

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justinh:

IR blaster, aimed at the cable box. mythtv sends channel change IR codes to the blaster...

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prime38:

also, i am a bit confused, how is the mythtv box finally hooked up to the tv? by using a tv tunercard OUT, or using the video out on the mobo and some adapter

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justinh:

TV tuner cards do not have outputs for TVs

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justinh:

not ones worth having!

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prime38:

so the VGA port and some adapter?

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justinh:

or a VGA card with TVOUT

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GreyFoxx:

which almost all do these days

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mzb_d800:

idea (usually) is to have either a TV that matches your video card output (VGA,DVI, etc), or get a video card with S-Video output.

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mzb_d800:

(assuming TV < 20yo ;))

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iamlindoro:

I consider myself on the higher end of knowledge about myth-- I still would *never* consider building a myth box that for someone else-- too fraught with peril. Buy your mom a tivo.

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prime38:

OH another reason for this was to save an analog TV

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mzb_d800:

that makes it easier

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prime38:

just get a atsc card

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iamlindoro:

prime38: You can do ATSC on analog TVs with a tivo or similar

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mzb_d800:

1000MHz box, nvidia card (mx440 for eg) ... as it happens I've got an ATSC tuner here that I don't want.

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: How in the world did an ATSC tuner end up down there?

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mzb_d800:

*cough* ... found it

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

actually ... I've probably got two

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mzb_d800:

... came with the M10K's I bought (from the States)

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mzb_d800:

appear to work, but funnily enough there's no ATSC signal here ;)) *cackle*

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mzb_d800:

"At least 1 My-HD ATSC tuner going cheap ... make an offer!"

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mzb_d800:

oops

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mzb_d800:

wrong head ;)

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prime38:

thanks all, for your help

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mzb_d800:

might put it on eBay when I get around to the rest of the stuff ... *sigh*

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: I built a mythtv box a few months ago for someone else ... very few problems

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mzb_d800:

(well tested)

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mzb_d800:

only had two calls ... and one of those was call from his woman at 9am saying "Wow ... the recording worked automatically"

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mzb_d800:

(epia M10K as combined BE+FE with USB DVB-T tuner)

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mzb_d800:

++ IR keyboard ++ IR remote

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mzb_d800:

so builds for others aren't all that bad ... all the time ;)

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mzb_d800:

just need to know that what they want works (and works well) and that any problems can be overcome easily

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mzb_d800:

ps: deal included 5–6 hours training ... wow!

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mzb_d800:

(she's a school teacher ... AND she took NOTES!)

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mzb_d800:

*cackle*

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iamlindoro__:

Still wouldn't ever do it. User behaviors are too unpredictable and when it *does* break (and it will) I can't presume that they will have the troubleshooting skills necessary to fix it. Then it's on *me* to fix, it takes me a few days to get over... it's a big mess.

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mzb_d800:

yep, understand

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mzb_d800:

I built "user backdoors" in ... and also can log in remotely if I have to (haven't had to)

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shadash:

I was just at a cable provider and even they have problems with older people that can't figure out how to use a cable box

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mzb_d800:

also run (fairly) identical machine here, so 99% confidence

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mzb_d800:

ie: good enough to make it worth my time

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shadash:

the cable provider is thinking about purchasing special remotes with a limited about of buttons so it's less confusing

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shadash:

mount

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shadash:

amount

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shadash:

it was interesting speaking with the cable provider techs and listening to the kinds of problems they experience

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shadash:

I gave them a couple of expect scripts that allow commands to be run on remote windows + linux systems from a bash script

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mascool:

does anyone have any suggestions on how or what to fix if I get garbled video ?

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mascool:

gentoo 2008.0 latest nvidia drivers, mythtv 0.21

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mzb_d800:

run the frontend with "-v playback -l ${MYLOGFILE}"

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mzb_d800:

s/${}/you get the idea/

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mascool:

NVP: Video is 3.19769 frames ahead of audio

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mascool:

hmm that's new

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justdave:

ok, so my jumpy DVD and livetv video was solved by changing the playback profile from CPU+ to Slim

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justdave:

which doesn't make a lot of sense to me when this box can handle 1080p h.264 playback in mplayer without dropping frames

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dpirotte:

Are there *any* PCIe capture cards with functional VBI support?

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iamlindoro_:

A better question is "are there *any* PCIe analog capture cards that work with myth that aren't framegrabbers?"

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iamlindoro_:

and the answer is "no."

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dpirotte:

iamlindoro_: What would you recommend for VBI support, then? Or is my only real option to get Hauppauge PVR cards from ebay?

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iamlindoro_:

Most likely. Or go all digital and use the somewhat-working ATSC subtitles.

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Wagner:

still no bag of crap

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sphery:

dpirotte: note, also, that most (all?) ATSC streams also have EIA-608 captions ("line 21 captions"--basically the old VBI form of captions) as well as EIA-708 captions (the new digital caption), so even with a digital capture card, you can use EIA-608 captions if EIA-708 captions don't work for you.

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dpirotte:

sphery: Should I be able to do the same thing with QAM? In either case, I'm limited to DirecTV. I am told there are some options to modulate your own QAM, but don't know too much about it, yet.

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sphery:

dpirotte: you won't get directv via QAM

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iamlindoro_:

dpirotte: Whoever told you that was an ignorant moron

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iamlindoro_:

dpirotte: But, in your defense, I saw that whole idiot-moron discussion going on last night and couldn't be bothered to step in, so I'm as much to blame as anyone

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: does the HD-PVR pick up captions?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It captures the lines, whether they're usable after the compression I don't know

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iamlindoro_:

(I never touch VBI)

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sphery:

interesting... You should hit t sometime to try it so you can tell me. ;) It would save me having to buy an HD-PVR, set it up, and find something that outputs composite (currently only my XBox 360 and my Myth box have that capability).

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iamlindoro_:

dpirotte: Those guys come in here a few times a week and wank each other about how they own "broadcast equipment" and that evryone should be just like them. Never mind the equipment is many thousands of dollars and doesn't actually *work* the way they pretend it does (ie there's no HD output of your DTV box that can be captured with a QAM modulator so you'd need to use some ancient analog input which defeats the point of modulating QAM ANYWAY!

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** iamlindoro_ takes his pills **

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stuarta:

sphery: most likely the vbi streams are stripped when transcoded

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sphery:

dpirotte: anyway, for standard-def from directv with captions, your best be is probably the PVR-x50's. For high-def, the HD-PVR /might/ work for getting the captions--but if it doesn't, you probably don't have any other option for high def

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stuarta:

that's what happens with dvb subtitles

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sphery:

stuarta: yeah, I know in the PVR-x50's, the VBI captions are decoded, then inserted into the stream in a "special" (ivtv-only?) format, so that would make sense

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you should go watch some more happy videos of cats doing crazy things on YouTube with your (now-working) MythTube plugin...

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dpirotte:

iamlindoro_: Yeah — the guy who mentioned the QAM modulation shit is in broadcast.

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iamlindoro_:

dpirotte: I worked in a headend for four years. I *promise* that there is no output of a DTV box that you can input into a QAM modulator in HD, and inserting SD into a QAM modulator is 100% useless

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iamlindoro_:

Unless DTV -> QAM Modulator -> QAM capture card (several thousand bucks) makes more sense to you than DTV -> Capture card (a hundred or so bucks)

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iamlindoro_:

Any the very best part was the claim that you could get a 65 dollar QAM modulator

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sphery:

though the PVR-x50's are probably only about $30 on ebay, now (and I have to find out if GreyFoxx still wants mine, otherwise I should put them on ebay so someone can get some use out of them)

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GreyFoxx:

Actually I would like the non PAL one :)

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sphery:

I have 3--PVR-350, PVR-250, PVR-150 (and PVR-150 PAL)... You don't want the PAL one for your security stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

Ooh I had forgotten that

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sphery:

2 remotes, BTW

[16:58:03]

sphery:

anyway, if you PM me your address, I can send them out.

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GreyFoxx:

I'll happily take whatever you don't want or don't want to sell :) just let me know how much shipping would be to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada :)

[16:58:18]

GreyFoxx:

I'll email it in a sec

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sphery:

I'm sure shipping is within the range of a little, "Thanks for your work on MythTV."

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GreyFoxx:

Done

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sphery:

thx

[16:59:05]

GreyFoxx:

and thank you :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: alas, the mythfrontend is at home, and I at work. I'd have to use the *shudder* actual youtube interface.

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm wonder if there is an existing mib I can use to get cpu temp or if I should just parse it from the output of lm sensors

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: not worth it, then... The happy videos can wait.

[17:00:00]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: All pride aside, I prefer the UI I wrote for MythTube :)

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine that looks significantly different than last time I checked months ago

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GreyFoxx:

0.22 should be quite the party with all the stuff going on

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png

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GreyFoxx:

whenever that happens

[17:02:39]

** sphery wonders what "before_qt" means... **

[17:02:54]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Was trying to help troubleshoot a qt scaling issue

[17:03:08]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/after_qt.png

[17:04:02]

sphery:

Wow... After Qt, it's so much better... That Qt4 upgrade sure is improving the Myth UI... ;)

[17:04:25]

sphery:

(now I think I have it--a before and after shot using the Qt theme painter)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: correct, before and after triggering the scaling bug

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I have a fair amount of stuff I want to do with MT but I am holding off a bit because the original author does pop up with new stuff every so often and I don't want to really tear into it while it's not mine

[17:11:06]

sphery:

GreyFoxx just crashed my system... (I dropped one of his PVR-x50 remotes and it landed on the switch on the power strip that's powering my computer.)

[17:11:32]

ruskie:

omg...

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . pu&num=1

[17:14:31]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, 9 page article on VDPAU

[17:15:05]

iamlindoro_:

Well, I (click here to continue) really mean (click here to continue) that it's an (click here to continue) article across nine (click here to continue) pages.

[17:15:54]

meshe:

don't you mean (click here so we can show you different ads)?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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dacs:

howdy all

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dacs:

I followed the howto in http://www.linuxtv.org/repo to install WinTV-HVR-1600 and i get "WARNING: Error inserting compat_ioctl32 (/lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video/compat_ioc tl32.ko): Invalid module format" when i do modeprobe cx18. can someone help me please

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: Doh! heh

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GreyFoxx:

ooooh... I should turn my urls script ... into an RSS feed

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iamlindoro_:

dacs: You asked your question two minutes ago in #linuxtv. That's the correct channel. Wait for your answer there.

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GreyFoxx:

that wouldbe sweet

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Wagner:

sphery: you would be surprised, shipping to canada is not cheap

[17:25:37]

dacs:

iamlindoro: i don;t know what else to do man

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sphery:

Wagner: Was actually just in the process of looking it up on ups/fedex websites when I dropped the remote and killed the computer... Thanks for the reminder.

[17:26:29]

meshe:

dacs: google? there's a bunch of people with the same issue when you google for: WARNING: Error inserting compat_ioctl32 Invalid module format

[17:26:44]

iamlindoro_:

dacs: You are *recieving help* in the correct channel. It doesn't belong here.

[17:27:17]

iamlindoro_:

especially when it's about compiling and properly installing v4l-dvb... it beongs in the v4l-dvb channel... #linuxtv.

[17:28:09]

dacs:

;)

[17:28:53]

meshe:

i wonder how many people use google *before* asking someone

[17:29:02]

Wagner:

basically, your source tree does not match up against your running kernel

[17:29:07]

Wagner:

your OS is not set up properly

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iamlindoro_:

For anyone who didn't see it last night, btw, "Note: There's a bug in the current VDPAU release that prevents VC-1 support from being validated on anything other than add-in G98 cards. This will be fixed soon."

[17:30:00]

iamlindoro_:

So peeps like me with a 9300 IGP will see VC-1 soon, hooray

[17:30:07]

Wagner:

the driver? or mythtv's implementation?

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iamlindoro_:

driver

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jgoulah:

so, been a mythtv user for a long time, and used to use it with analog tv, just curious on the recommendations for use with digital, can I bypass the converter box completely or do you have to use a blaster type setup

[17:31:24]

Wagner:

digital cable or broadcast?

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jgoulah:

time warner digital

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Wagner:

you can get clearqam on any qam tuner

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iamlindoro_:

jgoulah: If all you care about is local channels/community college/religious programming, you can plug a digital tuner into the wall. You cannot capture output of a STB with a digital tuner. You need to use analog

[17:32:15]

Wagner:

but most stuff will be encrypted, meaning you need an STB, analog capture device, and ir blaster or serial control

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iamlindoro_:

If you want to capture HD from your Set Top Box, your *only* options are hoping firewire is enable on the box, and the Hauppauge HD-PVR + IR Blaster (an option only available in mythtv trunk)

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Wagner:

firewire on an STB may open up more channels than clearqam

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clever:

how do i switch the ati Radeon video card between the laptops lcd panel and the VGA port on the back?

[17:32:59]

clever:

the Fn key doesnt do anything under linux

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jgoulah:

ah I see, yes it'd only really be worth it if I can get the HDTV recorded

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Wagner:

check out http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels to see what you can get in your area on clearqam

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jgoulah:

i've looked at it a bit in the past but from what I remember TW locks their box down pretty tight, not sure I tried firewire though

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jgoulah:

anyone have success with newer TW boxes?

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Wagner:

they are required to provide a functioning firewire port

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Wagner:

but theres nothing saying they cant just 5C encrypt everything coming out

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jgoulah:

yeah, ugh, their DVR is so poor

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dustybin:

my website is born!!! http://worldbeyond.net

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iamlindoro_:

Oh god, he's writing howtos

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jgoulah:

so do you need a blaster if you are using firewire, sorry for the ignorant question

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Wagner:

if youre using firewire, all you need is firewire

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jgoulah:

thats what I thought, ok

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, there's the poor grammar, punctuation and rambling of the dustybin we've come to know and... erm... know.

[17:39:34]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: point out any mistakes and ill correct them :)

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Wagner:

excessive commas

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iamlindoro_:

Where shall I send the bill for my editing services?

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dustybin:

-->

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jgoulah:

any tutorials/docs on HD-PVR + IR Blaster setup ?

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jduggan:

if there are they're on the wiki

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Wagner:

there should be several on ir blasters

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Wagner:

but the hd-pvr is relatively new/experimental (still requires trunk)

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jgoulah:

i'm ok with that

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Wagner:

is the blaster that comes with the hdpvr working yet?

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iamlindoro_:

Read the HD-PVR wiki page

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iamlindoro_:

Wagner: no, not yet

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD-PVR

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jduggan:

any reports of brits using the HD-PVR for recording from $ky/Virgin etc?

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jgoulah:

i'd be a lot more inclined to spend the money on this if someone with TW had it working, but maybe i'll try it anyway

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Wagner:

jgoulah: it should all work independent of provider

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jgoulah:

they may be required to have a functioning port, but I had to go through literally 8 STB to get a working HDTV port ;)

[17:47:19]

Wagner:

so long as youre not a brit with disabled component outputs

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jgoulah:

heh

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Dibblah:

If you're willing to pay, there are devices which work around that.

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iamlindoro_:

jduggan: IF you *do* have disabled component outs, the wiki article covers that as well

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Wagner:

yeah, just means you have to take an extra step

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Dibblah:

$160 to buy, $25 in parts. Hmmm :)

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Wagner:

(and an extra $150 or so)

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laga:

dustybin: nice website.

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meshe:

has anyone here used MyMote?

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, It's somewhat apropo that ffmpeg lists the bitrate for an episode of LOST from blu-ray as "bitrate: -2147483 kb/s"

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high-rez:

*drum roll*

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: INT_MIN

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Yeah, was more pointing out the humor in a show that prides itself on confusing the heck out of viewers, that the parsed bitrate is similarly confusing :)

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mascool:

NVP: Video is 3.08623 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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mascool:

anyone ???

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mascool:

I'm out of ideas

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mascool:

it doesn't even look like it's dropping frames, it's ALL MESSED UP

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justinh:

all messed up video, too slow to play video fluidly.. classic symptoms of borked video driveryness

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mascool:

i tried 2 versions

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mascool:

nvidia-drivers in gentoo

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mascool:

same problem

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justinh:

have you confirmed said video drivers are actually working?

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mascool:

hold on i took pictures :)

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sphery:

not-properly-installed/configured also counts as "borked video driveryness"

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justinh:

pictures won't change the diagnosis

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mascool:

X works

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justinh:

so?

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mascool:

everything else works

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mascool:

glxinfo works

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

so?

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sphery:

mascool: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffering_pause

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mascool:

justinh, so I'm not a guru in the X server, I'm just saying what works so far

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mascool:

apparently I look like a fool

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justinh:

who said that?

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mascool:

I did

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justinh:

no I mean who said you look like a fool?

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justinh:

or implied it? don't think I did

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justinh:

you might logically assume that if A & B work, then C will also work but it doesn't always follow ;-)

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mascool:

no one said you did

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mascool:

yeah

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rooaus:

sphery: Thanks for translating my post to English, I shouldn't post when I have a migraine and medicated. :)

[20:54:09]

gbee:

remind me, who was it that bought a 4850E recently?

[20:55:11]

gbee:

looking for temp figures from lm_sensors to compare against since I'm seeing values well below other x2s

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stuarta:

Core0 Temp: +70.0°C :)

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stuarta:

but it's not an x2

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gbee:

:)

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stuarta:

grrrr, won't build on osx

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iamlindoro_:

Wow, that's pretty high though, no? What's it set for High/Crit?

[20:59:28]

stuarta:

dunno, haven't looked at those setting in my bios for years

[21:01:45]

mascool:

ok so I've recompiled nvidia drivers, mythtv

[21:01:47]

mascool:

same results

[21:02:06]

mascool:

picture looks like crap ..

[21:02:22]

mascool:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=micves&s=4

[21:02:28]

mascool:

here's what I'm seeing

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iamlindoro_:

That's messed up all right.. Not to just to conclusions but I would have my doubts about the hardware

[21:04:38]

mascool:

it worked on mythbuntu

[21:04:46]

mascool:

but it was slow

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iamlindoro_:

That's assuming that you are indeed using the nvidia closed-source (read: non compiled) drivers

[21:05:02]

iamlindoro_:

nv/nouveau/etc., I would have no idea about

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mascool:

i'm using whatever the #$#$^ gentoo is giving me

[21:05:27]

iamlindoro_:

well, find out

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mascool:

i mean I emerged nvidia and compiled mythtv

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kormoc:

mascool, and the logs say?

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bsdfox:

mascool: I run gentoo

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mascool:

2008-12–11 15:59:38.731 RingBuf(/data/MythTV/1031_20081211155923.mpg): Waited too long for ringbuffer pause..

[21:07:04]

mascool:

2008-12–11 15:59:39.659 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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kormoc:

mascool, please use a pastebin and put up the full logs?

[21:07:42]

mascool:

sure

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iamlindoro_:

stuarta: I would guess that by virtue of having functioned for years, it's likely just fine, heh :)

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mascool:

kormoc, here's the log

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mascool:

http://filebin.ca/vnvsxx/myth.log

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mascool:

it was too large for pastebin

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yfaykya:

howdy.

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yfaykya:

How does the videogenre tie in with videometadata in trunk?

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yfaykya:

nm – looks like its videometadatagenre

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stuarta:

yah

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elprespufferfish:

anybody know why some DVD menus aren't rendered properly using the Internal player?

[21:20:39]

GreyFoxx:

You'll have to be a lot more specific. mine render just fine :)

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GreyFoxx:

Might be worth poping in a trac ticket describing what you see (and any screenshots) and info about the disc, version of myth and so on

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elprespufferfish:

i just put in "In the name of the king", and if i went to a submenu the screen went green

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iamlindoro_:

I find it somewhat amusing that as a staunch "extras are useless, just give me the movie" guy, I wrote the trailer patch

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iamlindoro_:

Wonder if there's a sensible way to work the other extras into the menu somewhere

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Wagner:

just add another two fields into mythvideo

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Wagner:

a reference and a type

[21:29:09]

Wagner:

optional reference to a video listed in mythvideo

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Wagner:

along with a string to name/type it

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Wagner:

maybe add an icon to the video, indicating it has extras

[21:31:18]

Wagner:

shouldnt be considerably more complicated than the trailer patch

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Wagner:

elprespufferfish: mythtv detected that it was a Uwe Boll movie, and refused to function

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Anusien:

MythWeb will show all my music just fine but when I try to stream it I get errors (WMP reports that it cannot conncet to the server). I've checked the symlink already

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xris:

Anusien: https?

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Anusien:

And I uncommented out the LocationMatch stuff from /var/www/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache (and the Directory is set correctly there)

[21:42:18]

xris:

Anusien: pull one of the URLs out of the m3u file and see if you can load it in a browser.

[21:43:25]

gbee:

elprespufferfish: -fixes or trunk?

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jgoulah:

speaking of mythmusic, was it a known bug that fast forwarding skips to the beginning of the track?

[21:44:02]

Anusien:

xris: I did that and now it's automatically trying to load it in wmp (which is new from a minute ago)

[21:44:06]

gbee:

which is my roundabout way of asking if you are using VDPAU

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Anusien:

When I check it with Chrome, Chrome reports Bad Request

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gbee:

jgoulah: never seen that

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gbee:

what format?

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Anusien:

xris: Let me restate. I open up the stream in Firefox and it's downloading the mp3 file to stream which is just raising an HTTP request failed! 404 not found

[21:45:38]

jgoulah:

gbee: i have a mix of oggs and mp3, think it happens on both but I have to double check that

[21:45:56]

gbee:

my entire collection is mp3, doesn't happen here

[21:46:13]

jgoulah:

gbee: didn't think to check it, and I do have more in ogg format, will check tonight

[21:46:21]

elprespufferfish:

guh

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gbee:

I'd be pretty suprised if it did the same for both formats as they use different decoders entirely

[21:46:26]

elprespufferfish:

NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

[21:46:30]

Anusien:

xris: It looks like it's trying to load the file off the local IP address (192.168.37.37) and not the absolute IP address; how do I fix that?

[21:46:38]

jgoulah:

gbee: rewind works fine ;)

[21:47:21]

gbee:

jgoulah: in 0.22 we won't be using libogg so it will probably be fixed, or at least behave a little differently

[21:47:37]

jgoulah:

gbee: actually yeah, it was mp3, this was v tags/release-0–21

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xris:

Anusien: I believe there's a setting for that in the settings section.. but maybe in the apache conf.

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jgoulah:

gbee: can I test it on the underlying player or switch that out ?

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Anusien:

xris: the only thing i can see is where it checks the dbase and that is correct

[21:49:38]

gbee:

jgoulah: I could offer a patch which switches to use mythtv's internal player but I can't say how well that will work in -fixes, you can't otherwise change the player, it's a linked lib not an external app

[21:50:08]

Anusien:

xris: yeah, the original problem is that there's this /var/www/mythweb.conf.apache that isn't actually used

[21:50:45]

gbee:

oh and update btw, you should really be on branches/release-0-21-fixes not the static tagged version

[21:53:05]

Anusien:

xris: But I can't find how to change that IP adderss

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gbee:

jgoulah: is fastforwarding important to you? I'd imagine jumping to the next track is used far more often than fast forwarding

[21:55:00]

gbee:

whatever the bug, it's unlikely at this late stage that it will be fixed in 0.21

[21:56:03]

jgoulah:

gbee: it is to me, so I can learn songs on the guitar and such :)

[21:56:37]

jgoulah:

gbee: waiting the whole song for the solo is painful

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jgoulah:

gbee: whats the default player, if the patch would switch to internal

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jgoulah:

gbee: i'll happily help debug the code, I guess I need to get the source going though

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gbee:

libmad is what we currently used, in 0.22 that will change to libavcodec (ffmpeg)

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dustybin:

i think my friend has lost a tuner on his Nova TD-500 grrrr how annoying

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xris:

Anusien: look in mythweb's settings under "music"

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jgoulah:

gbee: is that the current trunk?

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Anusien:

through the mythweb interface itself xris?

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xris:

Anusien: yes

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Anusien:

xris: I don't have one

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xris:

guess it would be under "streaming".. but it looks like I never added an IP override.

[22:04:02]

Anusien:

Mythweb sections tab has "My Session" "Mythweb Defaults" and "Video Playback". And there's no Music tab

[22:04:32]

xris:

I think the correct "official developer answer" to this would be "use a domain name"

[22:04:43]

xris:

at least until kormoc or I can get in and add an IP override setting.

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Anusien:

heh

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gbee:

the patch switching to libavcodec hasn't been committed to trunk yet

[22:05:55]

Anusien:

I found where in teh code it checks the Master_Host setting, but I'm not sure where that variable is filled

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Anusien:

unless that's something apache gives you

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jgoulah:

gbee: ok

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kormoc:

Why would you be streaming from a different ip then the web server?

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** kormoc blinks **

[22:16:09]

kormoc:

ooh, I see

[22:16:13]

Anusien:

no, I access the web server on a remote IP address, and the file I saw it was trying to grab was on a local IP

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kormoc:

Hrm... I wonder if the remote_host header would show that ip or not...

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Anusien:

I'm happy to guinea pig

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Anusien:

Also my situation is being overly complicated because I'm using a dynamic DNS redirection service

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kormoc:

toss this in a file, <?php echo $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'];

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kormoc:

see if when you browse to that if it gives the correct external ip or nothing at all

[22:19:24]

kormoc:

I'm betting nothing, but would love to be wrong

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Anusien:

is that syntax correct?

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kormoc:

should be

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stuarta:

?>

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kormoc:

unneeded and unrecommended :)

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Anusien:

the page is blank

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kormoc:

that means it's just entirely unset, which is sad but not unexpected

[22:21:53]

stuarta:

heh, stuff i do drops in and out of php all the time, so it's kinda required

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kormoc:

stuarta, sure, but for the end of the script, it's not :P

[22:22:20]

Anusien:

[16:21] <kormoc> unneeded and unrecommended :) <-- I don't believe you

[22:22:35]

Anusien:

because I preceded it with a letter to print and succeeded it with a leter ot print, and the second one didn't display

[22:22:59]

Anusien:

but even "corrected" the host doesn't display

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kormoc:

Anusien, well, if you don't trust my php skills, you likely shouldn't be running mythweb

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kormoc:

stuarta, the reason why you shouldn't be ending your php files with ?> is because it can break headers in a very hard to track down way

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bsdfox:

lol

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Anusien:

Sorry, not trying to offend. Iw as just confused when I put "a" before it and "b" after it and the b didn't print

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kormoc:

stuarta, if after that ?> you have a new line, and it's in a include like a db connection class, that newline ends the headers and thus when you go to send headers later, they've already been sent

[22:24:53]

stuarta:

kormoc: that's good to know

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** stuarta isn't a php guru **

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kormoc:

Anusien, <?php echo "Host is {$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']}";

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Anusien:

sorry, I think I PEBKAC'ed before

[22:26:16]

Anusien:

that actually appears to work

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Anusien:

Where "work" is give me the right address; using my domain redirection service shows that address and using an IP address shows that IP address

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kormoc:

slick, we should be able to set the url the music streaming target to that and it should work in all/most cases

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iamlindoro_:

Too early to tell if this will be worth anything, but there's a chance this might yield a decent VDPAU card deal: http://www.nvidia.com/object/12_days.html

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Anusien:

kormoc: so the line is readfile("http://$Master_Host:$port/Myth/$xml_command?Id=".$xml_id);

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Anusien:

If you tell me what to replace $Master_Host with (like I said, no real PHP knowledge) I'll tell you if it works. That's the line that was erroring out earlier

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kormoc:

that's connecting to a backend there, what exactly are you attempting to do?

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Anusien:

That was the line where it was trying to stream forward and failing, I think

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kormoc:

Stream what exactly?

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Anusien:

mp3s

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kormoc:

that shouldn't be talking to the backend at all, given that's a frontend only plugin

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Anusien:

I try to stream an mp3 and it gives me this .m3u. I run that m3u and it gives the file it's trying to steram with a 404 error

[22:35:36]

kormoc:

yeah, the issue is in the m3u creation

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Anusien:

getting this in the file: http://rafb.net/p/ACtg3R59.html

[22:36:33]

Anusien:

but changing the URL didn't do what I thought it did, so I have no clue what is going on there

[22:36:57]

kormoc:

is your music mounted on the mythweb box in the same location as the frontend box?

[22:37:12]

Anusien:

backend and frontend are in the same location

[22:37:16]

Anusien:

err, are the same machine

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kormoc:

the local file check should trigger then...

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clever:

enless the permisions are too tight

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clever:

www-data may lack access to the music

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Anusien:

it's possible; what should the permissions be?

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clever:

depends on what you want

[22:40:11]

clever:

if you dont care who reads the music, then you can just make it readable by anybody

[22:42:00]

Anusien:

and if I do?

[22:42:13]

clever:

then you can make a special group like 'music'

[22:42:21]

clever:

then change all the music to be owned by that group

[22:42:29]

clever:

and give select users membership of the group

[22:43:00]

clever:

including the user for apache(probly www-data)

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Anusien:

right now /var/lib/mythtv/music is owned by mythtv and has 770

[22:43:43]

clever:

but what group owns it?

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Anusien:

mythtv is the user and the group

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clever:

ahh:)

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clever:

you could just give www-data membership in the mythtv group

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clever:

then mythweb can access any recording or music file

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clever:

only side effect i can think of right now is letting php scripts delete recordings/music

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Anusien:

`usermod -a -g mythtv www-data` ?

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clever:

i would use 'adduser www-data mythtv'

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clever:

which should add mythtv to the extra groups of www-data, without changing the main group

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Anusien:

I've never done those operations from teh command line, but it's time to learn

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Dibblah:

Right. 9400gt takes 28w @idle.

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clever:

Dibblah: normaly idle current with and without the card, difference?

[22:48:23]

clever:

or did you cut the 5v and 12v traces and insert a meter? :P

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Dibblah:

@ the wall.

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Dibblah:

So that's probably 5–10% higher than actual.

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clever:

Dibblah: that would be the entire system i would think

[22:49:02]

Dibblah:

No.

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clever:

?

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Dibblah:

Surprisingly, everyone apart from yourself isn't dumb.

[22:49:30]

Dibblah:

I do know how to subtract.

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clever:

thats what i asked in the first place:P

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Dibblah:

And I answered that question.

[22:50:19]

Dibblah:

Please, stop looking for 'clever' answers. They're not clever.

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Anusien:

still failing to open with that same error

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clever:

Anusien: after the adduser you would need to restart apache

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clever:

it wont use the new groups until its restarted

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Anusien:

./apache2 restart

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Anusien:

right?

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clever:

/etc/init.d/apache2 restart

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Anusien:

yeah. I tried that

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Anusien:

are you sure www-data is the right user?

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clever:

ps aux|grep apache

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clever:

when i do that i get several lines with www-data and a single with root

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Anusien:

me too!

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clever:

then its running as www-data

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clever:

check the error log at /var/log/apache2/error.log

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Anusien:

[Thu Dec 11 16:50:51 2008] [error] [client 32.97.110.64] Digest: uri mismatch – </mythweb/music/stream> does not match request-uri </mythweb/music/stream?i=24>

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clever:

dont know about that one, but #apache might

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Anusien:

well thanks for your help. Will fiddle more later I guess

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k-man:

just out of interest, is there any kind of estimate as to when .22 will be out?

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k-man:

oh – there is a good discussion about it on the mailing list

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GreyFoxx:

No, no current timeline

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stuarta:

last_estimated_time() + 1 week

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stuarta:

we only have 570 odd tickets to get through....

[23:12:27]

Anusien:

stuarta: what about the even ones?

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Anusien:

*duck*

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stuarta:

!trout Anusien even trout

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** MythLogBot slaps Anusien with a even trout trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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stuarta:

!trout Anusien even ticket

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** MythLogBot slaps Anusien with a even ticket trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Anusien:

:P

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dustybin:

why does mythtv have another 570 new tickets? its working fine as it is?

[23:13:16]

stuarta:

you tell me.

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stuarta:

lots of little things to fixup

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Anusien:

They're all dupes of "needs more cowbell" actually

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** dustybin wonders what kind of mad setups people have to find new bugs **

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** stuarta suggest dustybin look at the tickets that are open **

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** clever points at my systems **

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** stuarta throws clever's systems in the bin **

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clever:

my sshd keeps half crashing

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** stuarta throws clever in too **

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clever:

im lucky mythbackend is still alive:P

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dustybin:

clever: ive never known anyone in my life with a setup like yours lol

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aarcane:

hi, I'm contemplating a switch to direct tv with their new HD DVR Plus reciever, which seems to support upnp media servers and "direct2pc" over a network. does anyone have any info on how to use this with mythtv ? I searched the wiki for direct tv and got nothing useful :(

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stuarta:

there is hd-pvr support in myth already i believe

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clever:

dustybin: for some reason, sshd is going nuts on my nfs rooted clients

[23:16:51]

clever:

its still running, but doesnt handle the protocol right anymore

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clever:

debug1: Connection established.

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clever:

ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host

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stuarta:

what's it say on the server side

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clever:

i cant tell

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clever:

the server is 3 hours drive away

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clever:

and without sshd i cant see the state

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clever:

just the logs at the nfs server

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aarcane:

clever, I had that happen on one of my systems. only way I fixed it was to completely reinstall the ssh package. I was locked out and had to connect a keyboard and mouse to fix it. fortunately, I wasn't 3 hours drive from mine.

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clever:

i can usualy fix it with a /etc/init.d/ssh restart

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clever:

but i cant do that without some kind of access

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clever:

i could modify the /etc/sudoers to let mythtv do so

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clever:

then add that to the channel changer script

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clever:

and wait for it to kick in and fix itself

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clever:

i just ran a check of the ssh packages, but the md5 for the files arent damaged

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Dibblah:

Are you mounting with async or sync?

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clever:

10.0.0.60:/media/mainlv/nfsroot / nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,hard,nolock,proto=tcp,timeo=7,retrans=10,sec=s ys,addr=10.0.0.60 0 0

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k-man:

thanks GreyFoxx and stuarta

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clever:

Dibblah: async in exports

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clever:

Dibblah: but i allways assumed async runs the risk of damaging only on writing to the files

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k-man:

how is the is the integration of the new UI framework going?

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clever:

for static files, it should be harmless

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Dibblah:

Should be.

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Dibblah:

Sounds like the NFS server died to me.

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clever:

i mainly added those just to make the reload command shut up

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stuarta:

k-man: coming along nicely

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clever:

if the nfs server died, then the box wouldnt be recording anymore

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Wierd – I can't get this 9400gt to be recognised.

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clever:

i'll change everything to sync and see if it fixes it

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Dibblah:

The module loads correctly, but the device node is left disconnected.

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Dibblah:

Therefore X doesn't load.

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Dibblah:

Works with NV, but that's less than helpful ;)

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clever:

Dibblah: another problem ive noticed

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clever:

random binarys in packages are being damaged

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stuarta:

throw your old shitty hardware in the bin and spend some $$$

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clever:

i would expect old/slow hardware to just be old&slow

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clever:

i wouldnt expect it to randomly corrupt static files that never get writen to

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clever:

enless the hdd is failing

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Dibblah:

clever: Good advice ^^^

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Dibblah:

I thought you already _had_ HD failures?

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clever:

i wrote a script to use the .md5sums from every package that dpkg knows of, and verify the files are still valid

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dustybin:

clever: have you given yourself serious headaches trying to sort out mysterious problems before?

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jduggan:

lol

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clever:

Dibblah: i know the drive in the c600 laptop is failing, but i havent stored any binarys on it in months

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jduggan:

you must spend more time fixing your crazyass nfs setup than watching tv that myth records for you :\

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clever:

currently on the main nfs server, libgimp2 libgl1-mesa-glx libgsl0 libgtk1 libgtk2 libldap2 libpango1 are broken

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clever:

jduggan: that has nothing do to with nfs

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Dibblah:

I also have a crazyass NFS setup. It just works.

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clever:

those files are stored on the local drive

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Dibblah:

It's not NFS that's the problem. ;)

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clever:

i dont see how running an nfs server would damage local files

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Dibblah:

Are these single bit errors, or what?

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Dibblah:

Could just be bitrot...

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clever:

let me find the exact file

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clever:

ive had single bit errors before in torrented things

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clever:

but that was after playing musical chairs moving the file between countless places

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JoEMoMMa:

anyone had success connecting a directv receiver to a usb-to-serial connecter

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clever:

there found a damaged file

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clever:

crap, laptop falling appart

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clever:

fixxed

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Dibblah:

Buggers. PCI:*(0@1:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0641) rev 161, Mem @ 0xfa000000/16777216, 0xc0000000/536870912, 0xf8000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x0000bf00/128, BIOS @ 0x????????/524288

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Dibblah:

ie the card's either corrupted or just plain old not supported.

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stuarta:

really new card?

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stuarta:

damn you osx build

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** stuarta beats it some more **

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Dibblah:

I didn't think the 9400GT was new...

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Dibblah:

But possibly.

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Dibblah:

However, since all of the reviews are new... Argh.

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stuarta:

i've no idea about nvidia stuff

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clever:

Dibblah: dangit

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stuarta:

wibble

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clever:

Dibblah: 2 or 3 of the broken packages are just missing doc files

[23:47:59]

clever:

the last one with an actual damaged binary, 'Reinstallation of libgsl0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.'

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clever:

it doing everything to stop me from tracking it down

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janneg:

Dibblah: if I understand wikipedia correctly it should support VC-1 accel

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