| Wednesday, December 10th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | Spyro1: | aha, thanks for the tip its scanning now |
| [00:00:16] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, Now that's an idea... |
| [00:00:37] | fuxxy: | I'll have to save that for after bedtime though :) |
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| [00:03:50] | iamlindoro__: | What the... |
| [00:04:10] | iamlindoro__: | Just getting around to ripping The Dark Knight... and it's VC1?? |
| [00:04:25] | Dagmar: | Wow, twice in the space of two hours VC-1 gets mentioned |
| [00:04:45] | iamlindoro__: | Just when I thought it was dead in bluray |
| [00:05:00] | Dagmar: | The exact opposite, in fact |
| [00:05:32] | Spyro1: | hmm |
| [00:05:33] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, Actually, no. Very, very very few bluray disks have been VC-1. |
| [00:05:45] | Spyro1: | it told me to run mythfilldatabase |
| [00:05:47] | sphery: | are you saying more will start to choose VC-1? |
| [00:05:51] | Dagmar: | It would have died permanently if not for Blueray |
| [00:06:20] | sphery: | Spyro1: if you've configured your video source using EIT only for your grabber, there's no need to run mfdb |
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| [00:06:32] | Spyro1: | EIT? |
| [00:06:35] | sphery: | though it never hurts to run mfdb on a properly configured box |
| [00:07:09] | sphery: | EIT is Event Information Table = program listings in stream |
| [00:07:34] | sphery: | in some areas of Europe, it's usable (in the US, it's not :) |
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| [00:08:17] | sphery: | so you might have a chance. If you're using XMLTV, though (and you can only use one or the other on any particular channel), you should run mythfilldatabase after configuring capture cards/video sources/input connections |
| [00:08:27] | Spyro1: | ok |
| [00:08:56] | Spyro1: | ok so now I have a TV picture |
| [00:09:22] | Spyro1: | but its *horrifically* slow |
| [00:09:36] | Spyro1: | and the OSD looks like its in an interlaced video mode |
| [00:09:43] | iamlindoro__: | What Processor/GPU/graphics drivers? |
| [00:09:56] | Spyro1: | openchrome on a 1.5GHz CPU |
| [00:10:04] | iamlindoro__: | Assume you are not trying HD with that |
| [00:10:20] | Spyro1: | nope |
| [00:10:46] | sphery: | got Xv working properly? |
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| [00:10:57] | iamlindoro__: | Depending on codec and bitrate it may still be too much for it, but yes, Xv would be my first guess |
| [00:10:58] | sphery: | Oh, wait... I think it's actually bob that's causing the problem. |
| [00:11:07] | Dagmar: | Get Mallory to kick his ass |
| [00:11:13] | Spyro1: | no idea as yet |
| [00:11:20] | Spyro1: | no idea as yetbg |
| [00:11:24] | sphery: | You need to go into mythfrontend settings, and change the playback profile group to Slim |
| [00:12:02] | sphery: | Utlities/Setup|Settings|TV Settings|Playback on like page 3 or so, change from what you have (probably CPU++) to Slim. |
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| [00:14:12] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, So, in an amusing twist of fate, TDK is VC1 |
| [00:14:54] | abqjp: | iamlindoro__, yeah, I read a review and noticed that. So, it does not play well in Myth? |
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| [00:15:19] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, I've got it ripping now, imagine it will manage, but would be nice to have offload if that appears in the driver sometime soon |
| [00:15:27] | Spyro1: | ah, framerate is better now |
| [00:15:46] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, you must have a LOT of disk space for all these HD movies! |
| [00:16:01] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, When I think about it, the only other blu-ray titles I have with VC1 are Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, also both from WB |
| [00:16:08] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Yeah. I have a lot of space |
| [00:16:40] | iamlindoro__: | I went and picked up Lost Season 4 Blu-ray today too, will need to rip that when I have time/patience |
| [00:16:58] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, I probably have enough room to have 4 or 5 blu-rays online at a time, but that would be it. |
| [00:17:15] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, I have not finished watching season 3, yet. |
| [00:17:34] | whodat: | what throws the mythtv recording info into /etc/motd |
| [00:17:42] | whodat: | i wanted to modify it a bit. |
| [00:17:44] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Disk has gotten so cheap, and even with all of my disks ripped without transcoding, it scarcely takes up 1.5 TB |
| [00:18:36] | abqjp: | I have no problem with the drives themselves. I have a problem with the case to hold the drives in. I really don't want to have to run more machines than necessary. |
| [00:18:49] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Will be curious to see what it looks like at 1080p, and what they do with the framerate (as it's usually 720p60) |
| [00:19:07] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Ah, I just have a physically large backend in the computer closet |
| [00:19:28] | iamlindoro__: | Curious whether it'll be 1080p60 |
| [00:20:12] | abqjp: | Lost looks very good even at 720 |
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| [00:20:18] | iamlindoro__: | agreed |
| [00:21:15] | abqjp: | I bought a new antenna, so I should be ready for February. Maybe this weekend it will be nice enough for me to put it up. |
| [00:21:26] | Dagmar: | Do you live in Australia? |
| [00:21:44] | Spyro1: | ok so now I have audio that is intermittently loud then near silent |
| [00:21:45] | abqjp: | Me? No, New Mexico. |
| [00:21:55] | Dagmar: | Good luck with that then |
| [00:22:24] | abqjp: | Today is the first real snow of the season.... |
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| [00:23:03] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Playing what I ahve ripped so far. Core 2 Quad 6600 is doing a great job with it even w/o VDPAU |
| [00:23:20] | abqjp: | Cool. |
| [00:23:43] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, sitting at a cool 150% CPU or so, though |
| [00:24:15] | abqjp: | Supposed to be 50 fahrenheit, here, on Saturday. Windy, though. |
| [00:26:50] | Dagmar: | Here, the only thing you do on your roof in February is slip and fall to your death. |
| [00:27:43] | abqjp: | Albuquerque is often cold in the winter, but we only get 3–5 *real* snow showers each year. |
| [00:28:05] | Spyro1: | this is weird |
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| [00:28:11] | Spyro1: | sometimes UI get right channel |
| [00:28:19] | Spyro1: | sometimes stereo |
| [00:28:23] | Spyro1: | usually nothihng |
| [00:28:30] | Spyro1: | wtf?/ |
| [00:28:32] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: my early h264 recordings with 6 slices per frame decodes also nicely without vdpau |
| [00:28:49] | abqjp: | http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=34455 |
| [00:29:09] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, Yeah, I'll take what I can get. :) So long as it plays I'm happy |
| [00:29:24] | abqjp: | janneg, have you tried 1080 from the HD-PVR? |
| [00:29:26] | Spyro1: | any idea? |
| [00:30:15] | Spyro1: | I seem to always get right-only, then stereo, then nothing, over and over again |
| [00:30:46] | Dagmar: | You have alsa problems |
| [00:31:03] | Spyro1: | yeah but a really weird one I never saw before |
| [00:33:38] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Good thread. I know that I personally am satisfied if it looks great, and you know my feelings on this particular disk even before I knew about the codecs used-- sure it has far more to do with mastering, source quality, and high bitrate than choice between two very similar codecs |
| [00:33:39] | janneg: | abqjp: I have (un)fortunately no analog source for 1080, only digital |
| [00:35:15] | abqjp: | janneg, since you are so good at moving, you need to find yourself a new flat with a good place to mount your satellite dish :-p |
| [00:35:38] | Spyro1: | hm. reloading the audio modules fixed it. go figure. |
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| [00:39:28] | iamlindoro__: | abqjp, Looking at the threads and threads and threads of people complaining about edge enhancement used in HD disks, I am glad I'm not *that* particular |
| [00:39:56] | abqjp: | :-) |
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| [00:41:32] | bsdfox: | anyone got advice for getting mythweather working? no matter what zip code or location I enter it never finds anything |
| [00:41:39] | janneg: | abqjp: I lived for more than 6 years in the previous flat |
| [00:41:43] | Dagmar: | Basically, rewrite it |
| [00:42:37] | iamlindoro__: | Hey, I know! We can have a Google Summer of Code and... oh. |
| [00:42:53] | sphery: | bsdfox: it's not zip code |
| [00:43:07] | janneg: | but I think I'll find a solution before the next 6 years are elapsed |
| [00:43:18] | janneg: | iamlindoro__: but it's winter |
| [00:43:43] | abqjp: | janneg, but now you have recent experience, so you can do it better ;-) |
| [00:44:00] | sphery: | bsdfox: (assuming you're in the US, since you said zip code) it would be things like "Southeast" or whatever. I think you could even search for nothing to get everything (which, IIRC, is how I figured out what types of things to search for on the different screens--since they all need different stuff) |
| [00:44:39] | iamlindoro__: | janneg, Winter of Code! They can't go outside, might as well improve Myth! |
| [00:44:57] | Dagmar: | Winter of code would probably be more productive, yeah |
| [00:45:24] | janneg: | but I like my flat, I rather start burning houses down then moving but don't tell anyone |
| [00:46:19] | abqjp: | janneg, sounds like a plan to me |
| [00:46:41] | Dagmar: | s/plan/premeditation/; |
| [00:48:25] | janneg: | I better go to bed before I do something stupid |
| [00:48:29] | janneg: | good night |
| [00:48:31] | janneg: | ;) |
| [00:48:37] | iamlindoro__: | heh, night |
| [00:49:10] | abqjp: | janneg, but you don't sleep ;-) |
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| [01:08:47] | bsdfox: | sphery: it says postal codes are accepted |
| [01:08:53] | bsdfox: | I tried southwest, nothing still |
| [01:09:22] | sphery: | did you try searching for nothing? |
| [01:09:52] | Dagmar: | Yeah, that's such an obvious thing. |
| [01:11:05] | bsdfox: | sphery: that works |
| [01:11:08] | bsdfox: | thanks |
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| [01:19:05] | Dagmar: | Homeless people need weather info |
| [01:19:07] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [01:33:37] | sphery: | that was meant to mean, "Search with no criteria to limit results returns everything." |
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| [01:40:27] | meshe: | how do you find the current "live tv" recording in the frontend? |
| [01:40:43] | iamlindoro__: | Media Library->Watch Recordings |
| [01:40:50] | keith_: | it should show up in the recording list |
| [01:40:56] | keith_: | or is that not the default? |
| [01:40:59] | iamlindoro__: | you may need to change your filter |
| [01:41:00] | keith_: | it didn't used to be, i think |
| [01:41:04] | meshe: | mine is only showing shows that I explicity recorded |
| [01:41:11] | meshe: | how do you change the filter? |
| [01:41:17] | iamlindoro__: | enter watch recordings, press m, change the filter to one that includes the livetv group |
| [01:41:18] | fuxxy: | awesome, my recording files are synchronized with the metadata |
| [01:41:32] | fuxxy: | now, to manually create metadate for the remaining files. |
| [01:42:07] | meshe: | got it, thanks |
| [01:42:21] | meshe: | will have to tie M to somewhere on my remote |
| [01:42:23] | fuxxy: | meshe, in 0.21, you can configure "watch recordings" to prompt for inital filter, or by default include LiveTV in recordings |
| [01:42:45] | fuxxy: | in addition to iamlindoro's suggestion. |
| [01:42:49] | meshe: | fuxxy: is that in setup? |
| [01:44:27] | meshe: | haha, the recording is slightly ahead of the livetv feed |
| [01:44:36] | Dagmar: | QUICK! |
| [01:44:40] | fuxxy: | Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback > Page 5/9 "recording gropus" |
| [01:44:48] | Dagmar: | SPOOL THAT BACK TO ITSELF AND BUY SOME LOTTERY TICKETS! |
| [01:44:56] | CaptObviousman: | use molasses to slow that down |
| [01:45:03] | CaptObviousman: | works every time |
| [01:45:20] | meshe: | lol Dagmar |
| [01:45:26] | meshe: | thanks fuxxy |
| [01:47:37] | meshe: | worked perfectly |
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| [01:49:56] | fuxxy: | If I wanted to manually add some stale recordings back into the database, would I need to modify any tables other than recorded ? |
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| [01:50:36] | meshe: | fuxxy: did your database corrupt? |
| [01:50:43] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, Why do that instead of using the perl script which does it properly? |
| [01:51:02] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, I wasn't aware of a perl script? Please, educate me! |
| [01:51:09] | fuxxy: | :) |
| [01:51:14] | iamlindoro__: | myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [01:51:19] | fuxxy: | ooOOOoooo |
| [01:51:22] | fuxxy: | thanks. |
| [01:51:27] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, yep, easy |
| [01:51:37] | iamlindoro__: | Ultra quick way is myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --file MyVideo.avi < /dev/null |
| [01:51:52] | iamlindoro__: | You can get more granular control, but that's the "big stick" quick import |
| [01:52:05] | fuxxy: | meshe, the box spontaneously rebooted for no reason *glares at wife*, and when the box came back up, the database was corrupted. |
| [01:52:17] | fuxxy: | I had to restore from a database backup four days old. |
| [01:52:35] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, all I have is the actual mpg of the recording, no other data. |
| [01:52:52] | meshe: | fuxxy: my parents were powering their myth box by flipping the switch on the power bar, thankfully the database was recoverable |
| [01:53:09] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, Then you'll want the big stick approach |
| [01:53:13] | fuxxy: | meshe, I would strongly suggest in a UPS, and daily database backups. |
| [01:53:37] | fuxxy: | losing all your recordings but still having the files themselves blows. |
| [01:53:41] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, thanks. |
| [01:53:45] | iamlindoro__: | np |
| [01:54:20] | iamlindoro__: | once they're situated back in the DB you can edit names fairly quickly using PHPmyadin or the command line SQL client, but at least you're assured they're in there properly first |
| [01:54:25] | meshe: | i built it for their vacation property, they refuse to leave anything electronic on while they aren't there so a UPS wouldn't solve the problem |
| [01:54:42] | sphery: | fuxxy: BTW, if the database corruption was just crashed tables (which is likely when MySQL goes down hard), optimize_mythdb.pl will fix it. |
| [01:54:42] | fuxxy: | meshe, a UPS would at least ensure a proper shutdown. |
| [01:54:50] | meshe: | true |
| [01:55:14] | meshe: | i've taught them that they need to press the button on the front and wait till the lights turn off before they touch the power bar |
| [01:55:16] | fuxxy: | sphery, good idea, thanks. |
| [01:55:17] | sphery: | and you can actually edit titles and subtitles in the Watch Recordings screen, too |
| [01:55:53] | meshe: | yeah, repair table <table name>; in the mysql client fixed my parents corrupted dbs |
| [01:55:54] | fuxxy: | meshe, with a "Smart" UPS, the mythbox can sense power has been cut, and shut down the machine gracefully |
| [01:56:10] | fuxxy: | this way parents don't feel like they have to wait on machine to shut down. |
| [01:56:26] | meshe: | yeah, not a bad idea actually, that way it would be safe from power outages too |
| [01:56:43] | ** iamlindoro__ assassinates the TS parser... again. ** | |
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| [01:57:22] | meshe: | i wish they would leave it on along with their cable router, then i'd have access to a linux box in the US |
| [01:58:50] | kormoc: | meshe, ahh, a Vancouverian eh? |
| [01:59:12] | iamlindoro__: | I like Vancouver, it's pretty. My folks want to move up there. |
| [01:59:33] | iamlindoro__: | (sorry to interject myself) |
| [01:59:41] | meshe: | aye, Vancouverite |
| [01:59:55] | fuxxy: | meshe, can't blame them for saving power |
| [02:00:13] | kormoc: | I have such a love/hate relationship with Vancouver... |
| [02:00:26] | fuxxy: | What am I screwing up? |
| [02:00:27] | fuxxy: | for i in "ls /recordings/"; do `myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --file $i < /dev/null`; done |
| [02:00:36] | meshe: | true, i run 7 computers full time here |
| [02:00:51] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, for i in /recordings/* |
| [02:00:53] | kormoc: | meshe, Every so often, xris gets in his mind of arranging a PNW mythtv meetup, so if you're interested in such a think, might want to watch the lists |
| [02:01:01] | iamlindoro__: | or even better for i in /recordings/*.mpg |
| [02:01:11] | kormoc: | Tho, the last one, 5 folks were going to make it and it turned into a typical dinner with just xris and myself :P |
| [02:01:13] | fuxxy: | did I get the quotes, etc, right? |
| [02:01:27] | iamlindoro__: | no need for the backticks |
| [02:01:32] | fuxxy: | I always screw up the quotes |
| [02:01:37] | meshe: | that could be fun, is there a myth-vancouver list? |
| [02:01:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, have you seen Seattle? It's very vancouverish without the whole border transfer thing |
| [02:01:48] | Dagmar: | backtick and to the left... |
| [02:01:49] | Dagmar: | backtick and to the left... |
| [02:02:03] | kormoc: | meshe, Nah, we've always just sent notice to the -dev and -users lists, xris and I are both based in Seattle |
| [02:02:04] | iamlindoro__: | for i in /recordings/*.mpg; go "myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --file $i < /dev/null"; done |
| [02:02:06] | iamlindoro__: | shoudl work |
| [02:02:14] | kormoc: | meshe, are you Familar with linux fest north west at all? |
| [02:02:23] | fuxxy: | hmm, never used 'go' before. |
| [02:02:26] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, visited in college, need to go as an adult, though. I liked it. I'm also partial to california weather, I'll admit :) |
| [02:02:31] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, my bad |
| [02:02:31] | iamlindoro__: | do |
| [02:02:34] | meshe: | yeah, i've been here once |
| [02:02:53] | meshe: | s/here/there/ |
| [02:03:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, I'm a huge fan of Seattle's weather, enough to have seasons, but still mild, but then I moved from the north east us :) |
| [02:03:32] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Went to grad school in Boston, I'm all set with New England winters for a lifetime |
| [02:04:09] | kormoc: | meshe, Xris and I typically do the mythtv booth there, and a few other folks in the myth community show up from time to time (j-rod, etc), so that turns into a nice meetup and all that jazz |
| [02:04:22] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, ahh, yeah... the 10' of snow :) |
| [02:04:32] | meshe: | 2 months of summer and 10 months of rain :) |
| [02:04:38] | fuxxy: | hmm, "no such file or directory" |
| [02:04:39] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, two years was two years too much |
| [02:05:12] | kormoc: | I think the summers out there are the worse. Humidity is not my friend |
| [02:05:14] | meshe: | kormoc: bellingham right? or is there a seattle version? |
| [02:05:25] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, That's not to say that it didn't work right, check your recordings |
| [02:05:33] | fuxxy: | heh |
| [02:05:38] | fuxxy: | I think I see the problem. |
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| [02:06:05] | kormoc: | meshe, Aye, it's always in Bellingham. The random mythtv meetup's typically happen in Seattle, but that's just cause that's where most people are |
| [02:06:31] | sphery: | how do people without VCR's keep up with shows like Heroes where Claire and Hiro are talking at the same time? |
| [02:06:37] | sphery: | s/VCR/PVR/ |
| [02:06:55] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, lalalalalalalalal six weeks behind lalalalalalal |
| [02:06:58] | meshe: | we are in Seattle occasionally for other interests at times, maybe a meetup will time for it |
| [02:07:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: that doesn't spoil anything... |
| [02:07:27] | meshe: | my husband would be bored to tears tho (as he usually is when i'm with my tech friends) |
| [02:07:31] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, trying to pre-empt ;) |
| [02:07:43] | sphery: | I wouldn't give out a spoiler. |
| [02:07:50] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I am going to finally sit down in front of the big screen over Christmas and catch up on everything |
| [02:08:24] | fuxxy: | hmm, a bunch of aborts. |
| [02:08:56] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I'm up to date on Chuck and Pushing Daisies and that's about it |
| [02:09:01] | sphery: | I'm catching up (on the ones I've started watching) before Christmas because I know I won't get to watch much of anything with family visiting. |
| [02:09:11] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I'm currently ripping the Blu-ray of Lost Season 4 so I may re-watch before next season |
| [02:09:28] | sphery: | I haven't started Daisies, yet. Keeping it to watch with someone else. |
| [02:09:52] | sphery: | After this it's either this week's Chuck or T:TSCC (probably both, but haven't decided which order) |
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| [02:10:17] | kormoc: | meshe, well, feel free to let xris or I know, perhaps we can at do a impromptu one, Always cool to meet new folks :) |
| [02:10:26] | iamlindoro__: | I'm also hopelessly behind on T:TSCC |
| [02:10:46] | kormoc: | So, with Lost, do they ever actually answer any questions? |
| [02:10:54] | kormoc: | or am I doomed to forever wonder? |
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| [02:10:55] | Dagmar: | HAHAH |
| [02:11:04] | Dagmar: | You assume these people had a direction for the plot |
| [02:11:07] | meshe: | sure, i'll let you guys know in here when we are heading down there next |
| [02:11:14] | Dagmar: | Not until season 4 did they realize they were doing to need one |
| [02:11:16] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, small problem. http://rafb.net/p/rq4nIS65.html |
| [02:11:18] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, They're finally getting there, I feel like season 4 actually managed to answer more than it asked :) |
| [02:11:22] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, (barely) |
| [02:11:25] | fuxxy: | One of those for every file. none were merged. |
| [02:11:43] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, yeah, you need the required perl modules to be installed |
| [02:11:49] | fuxxy: | oh, heh. |
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| [02:11:57] | iamlindoro__: | usually a package like perl-date-parse or similar |
| [02:11:59] | Dagmar: | But hey, at least you can watch all 4 seasons online, for free, in HD. |
| [02:12:08] | Dagmar: | wot about perl dates? |
| [02:12:08] | fuxxy: | I'm running gentoo, let me check. |
| [02:12:24] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, just the perl-date-parse module, or is there more? |
| [02:12:48] | meshe: | 6991 hilly 20 0 279m 149m 2028 S 1.7 40.8 31:02.70 mtd |
| [02:12:51] | meshe: | grrrr |
| [02:12:54] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, I usually chase down the couple of missing modules as I find them, there's not more than a few so it's simple enough to just use trial and error |
| [02:12:54] | sphery: | Dagmar: where? The ABC website? |
| [02:13:02] | meshe: | 40% memory again |
| [02:13:03] | Dagmar: | It's the Date::Parse package, which is part of http://search.cpan.org/~gbarr/TimeDate-1.16/lib/Date/Parse.pm |
| [02:13:08] | Dagmar: | aphery: Yep. |
| [02:13:17] | Dagmar: | I'm on Episode 10, season 3 at the moment |
| [02:13:25] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Are you gonna wait til the end of next season ? Starts Jan 21st :) |
| [02:13:29] | sphery: | and the "high def" actually works well (bandwidth/flash can keep up)? |
| [02:13:38] | Dagmar: | Far as I can tell yes. |
| [02:13:46] | Dagmar: | but then... The connectivity where I am is a bit special. |
| [02:13:48] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, I copied my orphanned files to the recordings folder, and I'm using a list of the filenames for script input, so it would complicate matters if just *some* were imported :) |
| [02:13:52] | Dagmar: | ...and they don't use a Flash app. |
| [02:13:56] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I personally find downloadable "hi def" to be decidedly... erm.. low-fi |
| [02:14:07] | Dagmar: | We have I2 backbones, so bandwidth is not a problem |
| [02:14:08] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [02:14:09] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, Until the whole shebang works, none shall be |
| [02:14:17] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, okay. |
| [02:14:19] | sphery: | I found that my Athlon X2 6000+ couldn't handle Hulu's high-res scaled to full screen without serious tearing/pausing |
| [02:14:45] | GreyFoxx: | bah, like most sites streaming TV shows you gotta be in the US |
| [02:14:45] | sphery: | (with Flash 10 beta for Linux x86_64, so that may be why) |
| [02:15:02] | ** GreyFoxx needs a flash player proxy or something heh ** | |
| [02:15:04] | meshe: | time to write kill_mtd.sh |
| [02:15:16] | iamlindoro__: | flash 10 x64 is a almighty pain |
| [02:15:19] | Dagmar: | ABC's thing is a plugin for the browser, which appears to work on this T2500 |
| [02:15:19] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, I just got to half though season 1, so I'm a ways off :) |
| [02:15:25] | iamlindoro__: | It demolishes my processor |
| [02:15:27] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Where else would you be? On Mars? (Just a joke to help keep up the US's reputation for forgetting the rest of the world.) |
| [02:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:16:20] | meshe: | need a US proxy |
| [02:16:40] | ** sphery is slightly worried that he's done something to offend meshe (kill_mtd.sh) ** | |
| [02:16:46] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [02:17:01] | sphery: | (for those who don't know, "mtd" is (are?) my initials) |
| [02:17:17] | kormoc: | sphery, she can't get you out of her memory! You're using it all up! |
| [02:17:26] | sphery: | only 80% |
| [02:17:39] | meshe: | ahhh, hehe, no just the mtd app that keeps filling up memory even though i haven't touched the dvd screen on that frontend |
| [02:17:45] | sphery: | Though I usually have the opposite problem with women |
| [02:17:52] | Dagmar: | This very moment, far out beyond the edge of the atmosphere, several satellites of military origin are reorienting towards a new test target. |
| [02:17:57] | fuxxy: | For you gentoo users, Date::Parse is actually part of the dev-perl/TimeDate ebuild. |
| [02:18:27] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: Ya might as well just use CPAN |
| [02:18:32] | iamlindoro__: | So... the question is, do I delve into a language I know not a lick of to try to add apple trailers to MythTube this weekend |
| [02:18:32] | kormoc: | I hate CPAN |
| [02:18:37] | kormoc: | it's way too broken |
| [02:18:44] | Dagmar: | Yeah, CPAN sucks. It makes everything too easy. |
| [02:18:47] | meshe: | cpan is the reason perl is great |
| [02:19:21] | kormoc: | Dagmar, way too often it breaks on a recursive dependancy loop for me |
| [02:19:23] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:19:26] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, I'd rather you get Netflix "Watch it Now" included in MythFlix :p |
| [02:19:35] | iamlindoro__: | bah, mythflix sucks |
| [02:19:39] | Dagmar: | It's terrible that you can tell it to install a module and it'll politely follow up with every depenency that module, and it's children, might need. |
| [02:19:51] | kormoc: | fuxxy, for the low price of $23.95B, you too can have netflix streaming! |
| [02:19:54] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Never had it do that for me. |
| [02:20:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: someone yesterday was in #mythtv asking for help--he/she is working on a new apple trailers plugin. Others recommended the MythTube approach, but I think without a little hand-holding/convincing he/she will go the single-purpose plugin approach. |
| [02:20:02] | fuxxy: | kormoc, uh, I already have that package. |
| [02:20:12] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I run into it every bloody time |
| [02:20:14] | fuxxy: | But it does me no good if I can't watch it on the LCD :) |
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| [02:20:28] | kormoc: | fuxxy, B stands for billion :P |
| [02:20:29] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, when/if QT 4.5 becomes a dep for myth, there should be flash support and silverlight support, and then all we would need would be a web embedding widget in myth to make Hulu/Netflix/etc work |
| [02:20:36] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Generally when the first one fails to build, you should stop and figure out why and then flush that module's pieces |
| [02:20:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: foxbuntu |
| [02:20:38] | kormoc: | fuxxy, point is they won't do that unless you buy them :P |
| [02:20:39] | fuxxy: | kormoc, oh. *sits down* |
| [02:20:47] | meshe: | the fun part is when a module determines a newer veresion of perl than you have and it starts downloading the souce and compiling it ;) |
| [02:21:08] | fuxxy: | kormoc, apparently the Xbox 360 will let you stream movies from Netflix |
| [02:21:13] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, ah, missed that (just got back into town). I think the mythtube approach is FAR simpler (and probably a fair bit more likely to make it into myth proper) |
| [02:21:27] | fuxxy: | need to do some packet sniffing. |
| [02:21:42] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I've had libwwwperl requireing a newer version of CPAN and CPAN requring a newer version of libwwwperl, and typically I'll just modify the code to allow it to build and handle it myself, but stuff like that happens fairly bloody often... |
| [02:21:43] | iamlindoro__: | that's not to presume that mythtube will, it just seems to be a better general pupose plugin for all the internet video stuff |
| [02:21:43] | sphery: | I agree, so I was hoping you would cross paths with foxbuntu and convince him to go that way |
| [02:21:47] | Dagmar: | It's all fun and games until you start freebasing IP. |
| [02:22:15] | kormoc: | Dagmar, meshe, I'll be sure to let you guys know the next time I run into the CPAN wall... |
| [02:22:20] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Weird. Only thing I can figure is you're starting with a hella old version of CPAN |
| [02:22:30] | Dagmar: | ...which would be a hella-old perl |
| [02:22:36] | fuxxy: | Hmm. |
| [02:22:42] | Dagmar: | I've used it to install ludicrous things before. |
| [02:22:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I can send you a copy of my logs if you want. |
| [02:22:46] | meshe: | kormoc: feel free, i also hang out in #perl |
| [02:22:52] | fuxxy: | Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC blah blah blah |
| [02:23:08] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, It's okay, maybe this weekend-- I know I can find him in #ubuntu-mythtv if I really want to |
| [02:23:19] | meshe: | Dagmar: there are some *bad* cpan authords that have broken dependancies |
| [02:23:22] | Dagmar: | Heck, there's a way you can even invoke the CPAN module from within your perl script so that it'll download whatever modules the user needs and install them locally |
| [02:23:32] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Seems the simpler way to cut it off at the pass is just to get it done and added to the mythtube tarball |
| [02:23:37] | Dagmar: | ...as in, when you *run* the script. |
| [02:24:06] | meshe: | yeah, cpan is just a cpan module |
| [02:24:13] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, http://marginalhacks.com/bin/debed will do a fair portion of the work anyway |
| [02:24:14] | meshe: | with a script that gets installed |
| [02:24:15] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: Time::Format (somewhat obvously) |
| [02:24:31] | sphery: | kormoc: Or, Myth bindings say to install Net::UPnP::ControlPoint, so the user uses CPAN to install Net::UPnP::ControlPoint (which depends on Net::UPnP::QueryResponse) but CPAN doesn't install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse, so the user keeps getting the same error and thinks Myth's perl bindings are broken (unless they apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4754 :) |
| [02:24:38] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, sorry, I'm a perl idiot. |
| [02:24:55] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: You're also using Gentoo |
| [02:25:21] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I figure it's as simple as parsing Apple's actual RSS feed, running something similar on each result, and presenting the results in MythTube-compatible XML |
| [02:25:43] | Dagmar: | sphery: Those are somewhat fried, I know |
| [02:25:48] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, that's nasty |
| [02:25:57] | meshe: | so the deps are broken in Net::UPnP::ControlPoint |
| [02:26:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: yeah, it would have to be the RSS feed because scraping the Apple website is forbidden |
| [02:26:17] | Dagmar: | uPnP in Linux is dodgy, this is no exception |
| [02:26:17] | sphery: | meshe: seems that way |
| [02:26:27] | meshe: | someone needs to bug the author |
| [02:26:41] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, UPnP is neither universal nor plug 'n play :) |
| [02:26:58] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, more or less search the RSS feed for the right entry, parse one level deeber with the debed stuff to get links to the video, done. |
| [02:27:02] | iamlindoro__: | er deeper |
| [02:27:18] | sphery: | Took about 3 hours to get my brother on XBox Live--wouldn't work until we disabled UPnP on his router and configured the router manually. |
| [02:27:22] | fuxxy: | Once I get these orphanned files back in the database, I'm doing an immediate database backup |
| [02:28:19] | meshe: | heh, i run a ubuntu firewall and have thus yet avoided setting up upnp on it |
| [02:28:37] | Dagmar: | sphery: I think the docs at http://linux-igd.sourceforge.net/documentation.php kinda sum it up |
| [02:28:43] | sphery: | meshe: Yeah, when I noticed the issue my fear of Perl/CPAN outweighed my desire to help, so I just made a patch that makes the Myth perl bindings give a better error message. :) |
| [02:28:53] | Dagmar: | "UPnP version 1.0, on which this program is based, is inherently flawed. As with alot of Microsoft supported software, there was a lot of theory put out there, but no code. What appears to have happened is that in Microsoft's first UPnP implementation they weren't concerned with security or any advanced controls. Simply all they wanted was connectivity." |
| [02:28:55] | fuxxy: | hmm, cpan isn't downloading. |
| [02:29:22] | Dagmar: | meshe: Basically, "Firewall" and "uPnP" don't belong in the same sentence. |
| [02:29:35] | meshe: | hehe |
| [02:29:37] | sphery: | Dagmar: that reads like a "Why not to use UPnP" primer |
| [02:29:51] | Dagmar: | meshe: uPnP doesn't exactly provide for access controls or authorization checks == nightmare |
| [02:30:20] | meshe: | upnp == let me traverse your firewall anyway i want |
| [02:31:00] | ** meshe wonders if there are any viruses that take advantage of upnp yt ** | |
| [02:31:14] | Dagmar: | Why would they need to |
| [02:31:33] | Dagmar: | ...and why bother when Windows is more htan happy to make those requests on a viruses behalf? |
| [02:31:48] | iamlindoro__: | Neat! http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/large.html |
| [02:31:56] | meshe: | true, most people don't have firewalls that block access |
| [02:33:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: guess I need to get debed to find out what's so neat about that |
| [02:33:15] | meshe: | hmmm, how could we add a feature to mythweb "tune this channel on frontend x" |
| [02:33:16] | Dagmar: | The more common thing being that most people's firewalls prevent inbound connections |
| [02:33:31] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Heh. It's a new trailer for the new Terminator movie, which looks pretty sweet |
| [02:33:46] | sphery: | that's the one that shows the war, right? |
| [02:33:50] | iamlindoro__: | right |
| [02:33:53] | Dagmar: | ...but with uPnP if you want connection requests to port 20382 on your firewall to be routed right to your machine, it can do so. |
| [02:34:00] | Dagmar: | It can also re-route say, port 22. |
| [02:34:01] | iamlindoro__: | plus, Christian bale which is a good thing usually |
| [02:34:10] | Dagmar: | ...and it can route them to other machines not your own. |
| [02:34:49] | meshe: | yeah, it's basically a nat port forward negotiated by the pc |
| [02:35:40] | meshe: | i prefer to know where my traffic is going when it hits a port on my public IP |
| [02:35:41] | sphery: | I manually debed'ed it, but it seems paused recording isn't enough to make the audio available. |
| [02:38:42] | meshe: | i wish i had bought 2 pvr-150's when they were on sale for $35 now |
| [02:40:46] | fuxxy: | meshe, I could use one more myself |
| [02:41:40] | meshe: | i bought a 350 for myself and a 150 for my parents to compliment their 350, now the 150's are back to $80 |
| [02:41:54] | meshe: | the 350 was $50 on sale |
| [02:43:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: "Win or lose, this war ends ... tonight." If that's true, it will kind of ruin the point of T:TSCC. (The movie does look good and just adds credence to my belief that the franchise has gotten a lot better in recent years.) |
| [02:44:24] | kormoc: | sphery, T:TSCC is being canceled I thought? And besides, it's all time travel, it's one of many outcomes! |
| [02:45:05] | sphery: | hadn't heard that... I heard they were considering it, but... :( |
| [02:45:20] | kormoc: | Huh, perhaps I just misunderstood |
| [02:48:00] | sphery: | phew... looks like it's safe (for now). |
| [02:48:14] | sphery: | perhaps the movie will leave an open end ;) and stir up interest in the series |
| [02:50:59] | meshe: | what is T:TSCC? |
| [02:51:12] | sphery: | Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles |
| [02:51:14] | iamlindoro__: | The movie is the first in a new trilogy |
| [02:51:20] | Dagmar: | Terminator: The Sarah Connor Crockup |
| [02:51:28] | meshe: | lol, ok |
| [02:51:29] | sphery: | Oh, good, that means that there will be more time |
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| [02:51:50] | kormoc: | so it won't end that night. John Connor lied to us! |
| [02:51:59] | ** kormoc sides with the truth telling machines. ** | |
| [02:52:07] | sphery: | right, so now I can't believe a word John says |
| [02:52:08] | ** iamlindoro__ adds the Terminator Salvation trailer to the only Trailer-capable Mythvideo setup in the universe ** | |
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| [02:52:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, show off :P |
| [02:52:42] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Well the aptches *are* in trac ;) |
| [02:52:56] | ** kormoc uses his super fast, caching mythweb that no one else has! But nothing works quite yet... ** | |
| [02:52:57] | iamlindoro__: | also the patches |
| [02:54:55] | Dagmar: | diff has no problem dealing with bits out of order here and there, no worries. |
| [02:57:38] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Besides, you can commit your patches, I have to senseless self-promote top get mine in ;) |
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| [02:58:15] | iamlindoro__: | s/top/to/ |
| [02:58:24] | kormoc: | :P |
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| [03:00:06] | iamlindoro__: | I guess I could work on the "play x random trailers before a movie" setting this weekend |
| [03:00:19] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:00:30] | kormoc: | you really like the whole home theatre idea don't ya? :P |
| [03:00:40] | ** iamlindoro__ *shrugs* ** | |
| [03:00:44] | iamlindoro__: | just having fun |
| [03:00:49] | kormoc: | Hehe, fair 'nuff |
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| [03:01:53] | iamlindoro__: | Truth be told I'd probably want to do it as a "play with trailers" menu option as even I would find it annoying to skip through trailers when I just want to play a TV show |
| [03:02:05] | RDV_Linux: | Help please. I am compiling trunk (r19305) with vdpau enabled. Mythtv itself compiled and installed perfectly but mythplugins fail with http://pastebin.ca/1281292. Vdpau is working as advertised with a patched mplayer. |
| [03:02:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: seems the senselessly self-promoting patches works... kormoc took the one I referenced a little bit ago :) |
| [03:02:17] | fuxxy: | grr, same error as before, after installing Time::Format |
| [03:02:39] | fuxxy: | Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC (@INC contains: blah blah blah |
| [03:03:03] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: did you install mythtv /before/ compiling mythplugins? |
| [03:03:15] | RDV_Linux: | Yes |
| [03:03:18] | iamlindoro__: | (and did you make distclean since) |
| [03:03:57] | RDV_Linux: | Yes, I also downloaded a fresh copy of the trunk rather than update. |
| [03:04:02] | kormoc: | sphery, I love pre-done patches! Makes my commit stats seem impressive! :P |
| [03:04:27] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux, wait, so... did you download a fresh copy of trunk after* having installed mythtv? |
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| [03:04:39] | iamlindoro__: | and then try to build plugins from that? |
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| [03:05:18] | RDV_Linux: | Downloaded first, compiled and installed mythtv and then tried to compile mythplugins when it failed. |
| [03:06:12] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux, Well, what you're failing on is a change made in the last five hours |
| [03:06:19] | simcop2387 is now known as apetits | |
| [03:06:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: If you're going to create that "play x random trailers" feature, make sure you include the "Dim lights when movie is about to start" setting too (X10 works great...) |
| [03:06:27] | iamlindoro__: | so it seems you have mismatched your plugins to your myth if I had to guess |
| [03:06:40] | apetits is now known as simcop2387 | |
| [03:07:12] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Sorry, the whole feature is enclosed in #IFDEF suggestions_suckit ;) |
| [03:07:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: and don't forget the "brighten lights when movie is over" ... ;-) |
| [03:07:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: Awe, shucks. ;-) |
| [03:07:47] | RDV_Linux: | I had a working install just earlier today but without vdpau, both mythtv and plugins. |
| [03:07:55] | sphery: | if you didn't download as directed at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ (i.e. all of the trunk branch) but downloaded mythtv and mythplugins and myththemes, then do an "svn up mythtv mythplugins myththemes" to ensure the same revision of each |
| [03:09:07] | RDV_Linux: | I did a svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/ mythtv |
| [03:09:09] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux, 19302 introduced that change in plugins. It also changed myth's libs. You are getting this failure because you have my compiled without the changes. You have, as I said, mismatched the two |
| [03:09:13] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: to make it like a real movie theater, he'd have to make it play 10 minutes of commercials, /then/ the previews (and if he wants to get really fancy, then the walls move out of the way to make the screen even wider for the cinema-aspect movie) |
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| [03:09:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yep. ;-) |
| [03:09:46] | ** fuxxy crosses fingers – I think it's working ** | |
| [03:10:09] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: which could also mean that you accidentally installed one time or the other into the wrong location (i.e. you now have stuff at /usr/local/ and /usr/) |
| [03:10:15] | iamlindoro__: | it's also possible you're compiling against some ancient lib versions too, it's usually a good practice to rm /usr/libs/libmyth* before make installing myhtv |
| [03:10:29] | sphery: | if you're sure you have the same rev on mythtv and mythplugins source |
| [03:10:35] | iamlindoro__: | or /usr/local/libs/... |
| [03:11:00] | Dagmar: | \...or make "proper" packages using the native package tool so that they can be easily removed cleanly, and not dilute the package inventory. |
| [03:11:18] | RDV_Linux: | I will capture your comments and suggestions and work things out. Thanks as usual. |
| [03:11:40] | iamlindoro__: | all that said, svn up again |
| [03:11:48] | iamlindoro__: | as there is yet another VDPAU commit 91 seconds ago ;) |
| [03:13:36] | ** iamlindoro__ shakes his fist at gbee to forcing him to redo the dbcheck code for the trailer patch ** | |
| [03:13:38] | ** sphery just found a few missed comments from earlier today... ** | |
| [03:13:39] | iamlindoro__: | er for |
| [03:14:42] | sphery: | janneg: Yeah, I know that a backend without a capture card isn't supported, but didn't feel like arguing it as many say it works and GreyFoxx is considering doing that for his mbe (so if there are problems, I'm sure he'll find/fix them :) |
| [03:14:56] | fuxxy: | I *love* myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [03:15:18] | fuxxy: | it's actually comparing with the program guide it seems, to retrieve missing data |
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| [03:15:26] | iamlindoro__: | yep, it rules |
| [03:15:35] | fuxxy: | or it's just ignoring my file list and going through all the recordings in my recordings folder. |
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| [03:16:02] | fuxxy: | either way, I should end up with no orphans, either in the database nor the recordings directory. |
| [03:17:32] | sphery: | kormoc: and I just saw your request for testing the memcached stuff, but I have to admit after seeing you discussing it with others, I was thinking I wouldn't be using it as I didn't want to dedicate any RAM to it (as my MythWeb is plenty fast enough for me, already :) |
| [03:17:49] | sphery: | I may play with it a bit, though to help with the testing. |
| [03:18:35] | Spyro1: | its all up and running, looks promiosing |
| [03:18:40] | Spyro1: | thanks for the help |
| [03:18:52] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [03:19:51] | Spyro1: | Btw, just for reference, the machine this was done on is completely discless ;-) |
| [03:20:37] | fuxxy: | Spyro1, I'm thinking of setting my my frontends using PXE and NFS, this way I don't need to worry about UPS's on them :) |
| [03:20:52] | Spyro1: | thats exactly what I just did. |
| [03:20:58] | Spyro1: | my NFS server is on gigabit |
| [03:21:09] | fuxxy: | That's one purchase I'll need to make. |
| [03:21:11] | Spyro1: | but the mythbox is on a 100mbit spur and has no problems |
| [03:21:41] | Spyro1: | in fact right now its going through TWO switches because the cablings too short and yoou cant even tell |
| [03:22:51] | Spyro1: | anyhow im gonna go get some sleep |
| [03:23:27] | Spyro1: | ttfn! |
| [03:23:31] | Dagmar: | Switches aren't going to cause any issues unless one or both is broken. |
| [03:23:37] | Dagmar: | An extra 2ms at the most. |
| [03:24:02] | Dagmar: | Just don't like, chain more than 3 of them in a row and expect things to not get weird. |
| [03:24:20] | Spyro1: | in theory... in practise, not all switches are born equal. |
| [03:24:32] | Spyro1: | also I think the 10/100 one is a hub rather than a switch... |
| [03:24:48] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure I have more experience with switches and their behaviour |
| [03:25:07] | fuxxy: | I've got two 24 port switches in my house (one is not being used, of course) |
| [03:25:18] | fuxxy: | I wish I had a gigabit switch, even a simple 5-port one. |
| [03:25:25] | Dagmar: | There are very ferww 100base-T capable hubs, man. |
| [03:25:50] | Dagmar: | Damn near no 10/100 models of such |
| [03:25:57] | Spyro1: | hm, it claims to be a 'switching hub' |
| [03:26:15] | Dagmar: | ...just because it would mean the 10base-T connections would have to be able to handle the data screaming in through the 100base-T ports |
| [03:26:56] | Spyro1: | dagmar: Im pretty sure I've seen that kinda hardware. |
| [03:27:14] | Spyro1: | it crippled the 10base stations (100MHz boxes at the time) |
| [03:27:19] | Dagmar: | Good for you. I have them decommissioned when I find them. |
| [03:27:46] | Spyro1: | probably the best thing for them |
| [03:27:50] | Dagmar: | <-- exploits race conditions |
| [03:27:57] | meshe: | i'm running 2 10/100-base-T hubs |
| [03:28:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spyro1: Does it have "collision" light(s) on it? |
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| [03:28:36] | meshe: | one of which cost $1400 when it was purchase the second identical hub was $800 a year later |
| [03:28:39] | jamesd: | fuxxy, the Dell 2716's are cheap i paid about $200 for 16 gigabit ports... and its managed (well barely managed but it can do some fancy stuff) |
| [03:29:04] | fuxxy: | jamesd, well, ALL of my devices don't need to be gigabit :) |
| [03:29:09] | fuxxy: | mabye 5 max |
| [03:29:10] | Dagmar: | Above 8 ports is where you get screwed mostly. |
| [03:29:15] | Spyro1: | J-e-f-f-A: no, but plenty of 'overflow' lights which suggest that its got minimal buffering... |
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| [03:29:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | I switched a 10/100 switch in my bedroom for a gigabit switch about two weeks ago, and man did it make a difference for myth... like from 2–3 seconds for the recordings list to come up to about 1/2 a second... same for starting playback. |
| [03:30:06] | Spyro1: | finding anything with 8 portsd that can actually handle 1Gbit/port is fun. |
| [03:30:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spyro1: Humm... So maybe it's an 'early' switch... without much buffering. |
| [03:31:01] | Spyro1: | J-e-f-f-A: wont make much hdifference here I suspect as the mythbox is 10/100 anyway |
| [03:31:03] | jamesd: | http://unixconsult.org/ciscos_and_friend.jpg <-- home network infrastructure and my starting to learn cisco lab. |
| [03:31:19] | fuxxy: | I'm so freaking impressed with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [03:32:02] | Spyro1: | night guys |
| [03:32:27] | Dagmar: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE |
| [03:32:29] | Dagmar: | Very hard. |
| [03:32:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spyro1: It might... I had my backend on a Sisco 2950 switch I have here, and things were a bit 'iffy', it worked fairly well, but had issues once in a while. When I moved it to a gigabit switch, it was not onlyl faster, but the glitches went away. |
| [03:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spyro1: g'night... ;-) |
| [03:32:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops... I make that "Cisco" ;-) |
| [03:33:06] | ** iamlindoro__ imagines the Times Square Camera guys... "Is Sisco! Is same! Is just as good!" ** | |
| [03:33:18] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, I'm thinking about the Netgear GS605 |
| [03:33:20] | Spyro1: | Dagmar: claim != delivers |
| [03:33:45] | kormoc: | sphery, no worries :) |
| [03:34:01] | Dagmar: | Spyro1: Dude, I work in a datacenter, okay? |
| [03:34:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I wouldn't doubt the existence of an asian Cisco knock-off named "Sisco"... ;-) |
| [03:34:21] | Spyro1: | Dagmar: I quit working in a datacenter some time ago. |
| [03:34:37] | ** fuxxy hides from the huge e-peens ** | |
| [03:34:54] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you should get up to speed then. |
| [03:35:01] | Spyro1: | very funny |
| [03:35:17] | Dagmar: | Fudding about "in theory" isn't going to fly when I've got some really crap equipment at home that still doesn't add 3ms. |
| [03:35:19] | kormoc: | Mmm... Procurves... |
| [03:35:29] | Spyro1: | you really believe then that everything that claims to deliver 1Gb/s/port really does? |
| [03:35:40] | Dagmar: | I believe what I've _tested_ |
| [03:35:43] | Spyro1: | Glad I dont have data hosted in one of your centres |
| [03:35:53] | kormoc: | Spyro1, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316053 |
| [03:35:54] | Dagmar: | ...particularly because I have a fondness for ARP skulduggery. |
| [03:35:56] | kormoc: | Spyro1, done |
| [03:36:21] | jamesd: | Spyro1, most boxes can't even generate IO to fill a 1gb/s link for more than 5 minutes at most. |
| [03:36:51] | Dagmar: | I've not had a switch in my possession in about 8 years that I didn't very aggressively test to find out what happens when the ARP cache fills |
| [03:36:56] | fuxxy: | kormoc, hey, that's awesome, but EXPENSIVE |
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| [03:37:09] | kormoc: | fuxxy, it's so worth it tho ;) |
| [03:37:18] | Spyro1: | $147 is expensive? |
| [03:37:33] | fuxxy: | Spyro1, SOHO |
| [03:38:03] | kormoc: | Spyro1, for a consumer switch, sure, it's more costly then most switches in the category, but if you need performance... |
| [03:39:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A eyeballs it to replace a D-Link SOHO at work... the Linksys SOHO didn't like VoIP SIP traffic... D-Link is working so far, but we should get something 'real'... ;-) ** | |
| [03:39:20] | jamesd: | http://www.txcesssurplus.com/servlet/the-2933 . . . naged/Detail $180 but worth the extra $40 to get 16 gigabit ports. |
| [03:39:24] | Spyro1: | I paid about $100 for my netgeat 8 port gigabit switch (forgot the model #, poss. GS608) about 4 years ago. |
| [03:39:38] | Spyro1: | damn its cold here, forgive my typos |
| [03:39:57] | kormoc: | Spyro1, prices tend to drop over time, typically they're a bit less these days for consumer level hardware |
| [03:40:23] | kormoc: | jamesd, I'm just a major fan of the procurve line, well worth the extra cash imho |
| [03:40:26] | jamesd: | Spyro1, the hp and dell switches are managed, much nicer than the unmanaged switches but may be over kill.. unless you have 8 or more hd frontends :-) |
| [03:40:26] | Spyro1: | my point was that although it was pricey its saved me in the longer term |
| [03:41:05] | jamesd: | kormoc, i looked at procurve, and couldn't justify the price to go over 8 ports... which i needed. |
| [03:41:32] | Spyro1: | anyhow, night! |
| [03:41:41] | Spyro1: | (for real this time...) |
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| [03:42:13] | kormoc: | jamesd, when I was at SiMech, I redid the entire networking infrastructure with procurves, mainly the 2810–48gs, so very nice to track down issues on |
| [03:43:22] | jamesd: | kormoc, yeah worth it for business stuff, but couldn't justify the $300+ for a 16 port managed procurve gigabit switch when the Dell offered 16 ports managed for $200 shipped. |
| [03:43:36] | jamesd: | for my home. |
| [03:43:46] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [03:44:07] | fuxxy: | Mythmusic decided to stop putting out any sound after the reboot. But LiveTV and recordings are fine. |
| [03:44:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A just has a Trendnet Wireless N router with Gigabit and an 8-port Trendnet Gigabit switch... ;-) Seem to work quite well at home. ** | |
| [03:44:43] | Wagner: | jamesd: that looks like a rebranded netgear switch |
| [03:44:45] | iamlindoro__: | gah, trunk *is* broken, patch coming now |
| [03:45:19] | jamesd: | is anyone else having issues with mytv streaming (shout cast isn't finding anything streams on the internet) but the other choices seem to find stuff. |
| [03:45:50] | kormoc: | welp, time to jet home! |
| [03:46:35] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, if no one gets to your patch before I get home, let me know and I'll toss it in |
| [03:46:44] | iamlindoro__: | ok, thanks |
| [03:46:49] | Wagner: | hey kormoc, hold up |
| [03:47:05] | Wagner: | having some issue with mythweb, recent as of a couple days ago |
| [03:47:17] | kormoc: | Wagner, I'll be back in 30 or so, k? |
| [03:47:19] | Wagner: | scheduling changes made in mythweb are not taking effect |
| [03:47:31] | Wagner: | ok, im installing a new revision |
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| [03:47:40] | Wagner: | ill let you know if i have the same issue then |
| [03:47:43] | kormoc: | rgr |
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| [03:50:01] | iamlindoro__: | RDV_Linux, http://rafb.net/p/SV0Jfo31.html |
| [03:50:16] | iamlindoro__: | patch to fix your compile error, hopefully to be commited soon |
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| [04:08:30] | CCFL_Man2: | is rtsp better for a network video player than file sharing? |
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| [04:27:42] | kormoc: | Wagner, what's up? |
| [04:29:01] | Wagner: | well if i request a change in schedule, the changes do no show up when the page reloads |
| [04:29:41] | Wagner: | if i request a new recording, it registers in /tv/schedules, but never shows up on the upcoming recordings |
| [04:30:32] | Wagner: | running the latest version, straight off trunk from a couple hours ago |
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| [04:30:50] | Wagner: | same issue was happening from a revision a couple days ago |
| [04:31:51] | Wagner: | the only changes ive made to mythweb.conf are changing the sql server location, and rewriting the base to /, rather than /mythweb |
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| [04:35:14] | kormoc: | Wagner, after you make the schedule, if you wait a few seconds and refresh, does it update then? |
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| [04:35:44] | Wagner: | nope, just remains as 'dont record this program' |
| [04:35:48] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [04:36:18] | Wagner: | pulling up firebug, there is no data listed in the 'post' |
| [04:36:31] | Wagner: | but there are other pages that do function with blank posts |
| [04:37:35] | Wagner: | a new entry shows up in /tv/schedules, when i click on that, the changes are made |
| [04:38:00] | Wagner: | but nothing new shows up in upcoming schedules |
| [04:38:17] | Wagner: | the mythtv logs do report mythweb requested a schedule update |
| [04:40:58] | Wagner: | seems now making changes to an existing schedule does work... sort of |
| [04:41:18] | Wagner: | when the page reloads, it reports an unknown recording, and drops back to the listings |
| [04:41:28] | Wagner: | when i go back into the recording, the change has been made |
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| [04:43:57] | Wagner: | dont record and never record buttons under /tv/upcoming exhibit the same behavior |
| [04:44:28] | Wagner: | new rules show up in the /tv/schedules, but the actual schedule of recordings does not change |
| [04:48:58] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [04:49:32] | larzen: | Folks.. can anyone help me out.. I want to remove commercials, transcode to xvid and drop a show on a different share as soon as its recorded... |
| [04:49:38] | larzen: | any examples or details on this? |
| [04:50:03] | Wagner: | you dont want to remove commercials as soon as its recorded |
| [04:50:09] | larzen: | Wagner yes.. |
| [04:50:15] | Wagner: | the comm-flagger is very good, but not perfect |
| [04:50:16] | larzen: | Wagner – i have the flag set, that works fine. |
| [04:50:43] | larzen: | Wagner.. there is also a "transcode" button.. but it returns an error each time i try to run it... not sure why |
| [04:50:44] | Wagner: | you should review what its doing before permanently removing what it thinks are commercials |
| [04:51:02] | larzen: | Wagner – absolutely.. |
| [04:51:26] | larzen: | when i hit transcode (in mythweb) .. it queues the job... but then returns with an error |
| [04:51:33] | Wagner: | are these all mpeg recordings? or do you have a framegrabber? |
| [04:51:50] | larzen: | Wagner – these are mpeg from Happuauge PVR500 (dual tuner) |
| [04:51:59] | larzen: | Hauppauge i think |
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| [04:52:12] | larzen: | yes, direct mpeg .. 1.8gb / hr |
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| [04:52:38] | Wagner: | the built in mythtv transcoder encodes to standard mpeg4, in a nuv |
| [04:52:54] | Wagner: | as opposed to xvid in an avi/mkv/mp4 |
| [04:52:55] | larzen: | Wagner.. that'll work |
| [04:53:11] | larzen: | as long as these shows are not crazy 1.8gb huge.. no need for that.. nuv is fine. |
| [04:53:20] | larzen: | nuv will play in mplayer (xbmc, others). |
| [04:53:34] | larzen: | how do I determine why the transcoder is not working? |
| [04:53:39] | Wagner: | should play in any recent version of mplayer |
| [04:53:45] | Wagner: | check you backend logs? |
| [04:53:59] | larzen: | Wagner – there are no errors |
| [04:54:00] | larzen: | i checked. |
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| [04:54:46] | Lexridge: | How would one make mythtv recognize more than one DVD drive? Or is that even possible? |
| [04:56:01] | Wagner: | larzen: check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials |
| [04:56:29] | Wagner: | should walk you through everything you need |
| [04:57:10] | larzen: | Transcode (Errored: Tue Dec 9, 2008, 09:56 PM) |
| [04:57:10] | larzen: | exit status 255, job status was "Errored" |
| [04:57:35] | Lexridge: | larzen: you will get that also if your recording profile is not correct. |
| [04:59:25] | Wagner: | note that the internal mythtv transcoder will simply replace the existing recording when done from the GUI |
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| [05:00:20] | larzen: | There is a way to do this manually too I presume.. it would invovle some hacking.. |
| [05:00:43] | Wagner: | follow the instructions to do a lossless mpeg transcode |
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| [05:01:08] | Wagner: | then make a user job running your favorite 3rd party transcoder |
| [05:01:20] | Wagner: | ffmpeg/mencoder/whatever |
| [05:04:06] | Wagner: | there is a user job in here that should describe how to do that: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . e_recordings |
| [05:04:12] | larzen: | Lexridge – what do you mean by "recording profile" ? |
| [05:04:57] | Wagner: | larzen: check the first link i gave, it explains how to set up and use the internal transcoder, including recording/transcoding profiles |
| [05:05:07] | Lexridge: | goto: utilitles/setup/recording profiles and make sure your default is set to lossless mpeg2 |
| [05:05:20] | Lexridge: | yes, it does |
| [05:05:51] | Lexridge: | opps......goto: utilitles/setup/TV SETTINGS/recording profiles and make sure your default is set to lossless mpeg2 |
| [05:06:43] | Lexridge: | I got my new Acer monitor today. It's default res is 1920x1200, and I'm using it as a second monitor on my main computer system. It's a 16:10 ratio monitor.....more... |
| [05:06:56] | larzen: | Lexridge this is on the front-end ? |
| [05:06:58] | Lexridge: | Most DVDs play with a bit of letterboxing....while others play full screen slightly stretched. Any reason for this? |
| [05:07:04] | Wagner: | larzen: correct |
| [05:07:04] | Lexridge: | larzen: yes |
| [05:07:15] | larzen: | Lexridge what if I dont have a front-end .. I just use MythWeb ? |
| [05:07:30] | Lexridge: | larzen: can't help you there...sorry. |
| [05:07:36] | Wagner: | Lexridge: check into something called anamorphic encoding |
| [05:07:53] | Wagner: | larzen: run vnc, open up a frontend |
| [05:08:41] | Lexridge: | Wagner: From what I've read, myth should play 16:9 videos slightly letterboxed, being the monitor is 16:10, and this happens correctly on anything that is NOT 16:9, but 16:9 is fudged. |
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| [05:09:10] | Wagner: | Lexridge: DVDs are 480p, 720x480 or 704x480. typically, shows are not recorded in 16:9, but rather 2.2:1 or 2.4:1, resulting in letterboxing. |
| [05:09:35] | Lexridge: | yes, I was just trying to be simplistic. Perhaps not a good idea. :/ |
| [05:09:44] | Wagner: | however if the disk is anamorphically encoded, the pixes are stretched vertically to consume the entire 480 pixes |
| [05:09:56] | Wagner: | rather that the typical 300–400 pixels |
| [05:09:56] | larzen: | Wagner – ok I am in.. there is no option to set a default |
| [05:10:34] | Wagner: | larzen: default will tell it to use 'autodetect from mpeg2' |
| [05:10:52] | Wagner: | otherwise, you can force a transcoder for a certain schedule |
| [05:11:02] | Lexridge: | wagner: The light 120 pixel stretch is not bad, and most people would never notice, but since I know it's a 16:10 monitor, it has to be stretching a bit. |
| [05:11:21] | larzen: | Wagner – i see |
| [05:11:44] | Wagner: | Lexridge: most people dont notice, because their hardware player will scale the video back to proper aspect ratio |
| [05:11:52] | Wagner: | for some reason, whatever player you are using is not |
| [05:12:06] | Lexridge: | perhaps I should not worry about a 60/60 pixel stretch on top/bottom. Not really a big deal. I'm using the DVD player in MythFrontend |
| [05:12:33] | larzen: | Wagner – when I ge into Recording Profiles.. i see two options : MPEG-2 Encoders (PVR-500) and Transcoders |
| [05:12:46] | Wagner: | larzen: not recording profiles, transcoders |
| [05:12:55] | Wagner: | err... yeah |
| [05:13:01] | larzen: | ok so I go into transcoders.. |
| [05:13:36] | rcw: | Anyone have any clues as to why mythfrontend would (after working successfully for several months) start taking all available CPU just navigating the menus? (using Blue, not G.A.N.T, and using Qt-Painter) |
| [05:13:43] | larzen: | I see.. Autodetect from RTjpeg/MPEG4, Autodetect from Mpeg2, High Quality, Medium Quality, Low Qualituy |
| [05:13:52] | Wagner: | go read that first link i gave you, it walks you through everything you need |
| [05:14:22] | Lexridge: | larzen: That link is a great one. It helped me get through this. It should help you as well. |
| [05:16:19] | Lexridge: | Wagner: Setting the general tv settings to 16:9 would not affect DVD playback I'd assume. That is just gonna stretch my 4:3 cable stations to fit, right? |
| [05:16:36] | Lexridge: | I certainly do not want that! |
| [05:17:43] | Wagner: | if your problem is what i think it is, the player is simply not respecting pixel aspect ratio |
| [05:17:54] | Wagner: | not sure how to fix that |
| [05:18:25] | Lexridge: | mythfrontend uses mplayer does it not? Mplayer should do this I'd think. |
| [05:18:48] | Wagner: | mythfrontend does not use mplayer, mythvideo does not use mplayer |
| [05:18:58] | Wagner: | im not certain what is used for dvd playback |
| [05:19:08] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [05:19:14] | Wagner: | i presume the internal player is used there as well |
| [05:19:47] | Lexridge: | oh, I didn't realize myth had an internal player....well, just forgot it did I guess. |
| [05:19:56] | Wagner: | it used to use Xine, but i believe it now defaults to 'Internal' |
| [05:20:08] | Lexridge: | I'll check that now |
| [05:20:36] | iamlindoro__: | I'm about 90% that Myth's DVD player still defaults to mplayer, that'll be fixed in .22 AFAIK |
| [05:20:55] | GuinnessGuy: | Hi all – quick question – anyone using svn 19310 (current main trunk branch as of right now) having trouble with mythfrontend entering anything other than the main screen? |
| [05:21:02] | iamlindoro__: | Erm... wait, maybe I'm wrong, the VCD player is mplayer, maybe DVD isn't |
| [05:21:10] | Lexridge: | yea, It is using mplayer for sure. |
| [05:21:40] | Lexridge: | the command is "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s" |
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| [05:21:49] | Lexridge: | perhaps I should remove the -zoom |
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| [05:22:34] | Lexridge: | This is listed under "Default Video Player".....oh, right below that is DVD Player Command which is indeed Internal! |
| [05:23:11] | Der_Thomas: | hey anyone around here using a DVB card? |
| [05:23:24] | Der_Thomas: | I'm having trouble setting up channels |
| [05:23:52] | Der_Thomas: | everytime I import two channels, one will overwrite the other in myth |
| [05:23:57] | Wagner: | 'real' dvb? or just a digital tuner under the dvb subsystem? |
| [05:23:59] | rcw: | Lexridge: -fs implies -zoom with modern mplayers – mplayer does have an -aspect option you can set though |
| [05:24:08] | Der_Thomas: | they are different channels though |
| [05:24:17] | iamlindoro__: | -monitoraspect 16:9 |
| [05:24:39] | Der_Thomas: | Wagner, qam256 ATSC on a digital card |
| [05:24:50] | Lexridge: | Is there any reason why I cannot switch from Internal to mplayer using the monitoraspect option? |
| [05:25:04] | sulx: | GuinnessGuy: using 19297 and it works... |
| [05:25:11] | Der_Thomas: | here are two lines from my channels.conf: |
| [05:25:16] | Der_Thomas: | WGRZ:609000000:QAM_256:1001:1002:1 |
| [05:25:24] | Der_Thomas: | WUTV:687000000:QAM_256:1001:1002:1 |
| [05:25:26] | GuinnessGuy: | sulx: I built for compile-type debug and am using mythcenter-wide for a theme, if it matters... |
| [05:25:37] | iamlindoro__: | No reason you can't. Would be better to get Internal working for a variety of reasons, usual reasons for screwy aspects are incorrect xorg.conf |
| [05:25:47] | Der_Thomas: | when I amport them into myth, which ever one appears last overwrites the other channel |
| [05:25:53] | sulx: | mythcenter-wide here also... |
| [05:25:56] | Der_Thomas: | so I can only have one channel or the other |
| [05:26:10] | Lexridge: | time to do some experimenting. :) Thanks |
| [05:26:27] | Der_Thomas: | Anyone have an idea why this is happening? |
| [05:26:37] | GuinnessGuy: | Hmm... I was building for debug since I was hoping to get a backtrace – been getting some backend crashes ever since I went to trunk to use the hd-pvr... sometimes in the middle of recordings... |
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| [05:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | GuinnessGuy, I am on 19310, working fine here |
| [05:29:31] | GuinnessGuy: | with debug build? |
| [05:29:58] | iamlindoro__: | always, yes |
| [05:31:25] | GuinnessGuy: | hmm... there's nothing in the log that occurs when I try to use a menu option... the screen blinks then goes back to the same screen. |
| [05:33:30] | sulx: | tried with '-v all' ? |
| [05:34:36] | GuinnessGuy: | trying now... |
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| [05:36:17] | GuinnessGuy: | nothing... |
| [05:36:32] | GuinnessGuy: | nothing at all added to the event log when running mythfrontend with the '-v all' |
| [05:36:37] | larzen: | Wagner – so am i safe to assume that transcoding happens on front-ends? |
| [05:36:41] | sulx: | best bet would be theme |
| [05:36:51] | sulx: | GuinnessGuy: tried with g.a.n.t or something..? |
| [05:36:58] | Wagner: | larzen: you would not be |
| [05:37:05] | larzen: | Wagner – because I just set these options on the localhost front end.. is that the default? |
| [05:37:28] | larzen: | Wagner – ok looks like the transcoding is now in effect |
| [05:37:47] | larzen: | i followed the instructions and i needed to change the codecs to mpeg-4 |
| [05:37:51] | Wagner: | larzen: basically, mythtv-setup settings are ones that require the backend to be restarted, mythfrontend settings are ones that do not |
| [05:38:18] | GuinnessGuy: | no, but I just upgraded tonight from 19241 – I'll check if anything in there was frontend-related... |
| [05:38:37] | Wagner: | the frontend is only for playback, all heavy processing is done by the backend, or by other processes spawned by the backend |
| [05:39:15] | Wagner: | plugins (like mythvideo dvd ripping) are the exception to this |
| [05:39:30] | Wagner: | plugins operate solely on the frontend |
| [05:39:35] | larzen: | i see |
| [05:40:39] | larzen: | Wagner – so I dont need to set the transcoding option each time I decide to record a new show.. It just does it automatically from what I can tell |
| [05:41:20] | Wagner: | you set up a profile, and then the transcoder does whatever is set in the profile |
| [05:41:43] | Wagner: | if you made the settings to 'autodetect by...', it will use that profile by default |
| [05:41:50] | larzen: | oh ok |
| [05:42:28] | GuinnessGuy: | hmm... nothing seems obvious to the eye (other then the clock theme update in 19275, and I doubt it's that)... I'll try a different theme then building for release. Thanks for the help sulx! |
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| [05:45:37] | GuinnessGuy: | crap – can't change theme – can't get to the setup menu! Guess I'm building for release first! |
| [05:47:04] | iamlindoro__: | mythfrontend -O Theme=somethemename |
| [05:47:10] | iamlindoro__: | eg GANT |
| [05:47:18] | iamlindoro__: | or blue, etc. |
| [05:48:35] | larzen: | Wagner – does the original .mpeg get deleted after the transcode is done? |
| [05:48:41] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [05:50:04] | GuinnessGuy: | thx for the tip! And... no – while it did start with blue, there was no difference in behavior... |
| [05:50:17] | Wagner: | it gets deleted, and the new video file takes its place in the recordings directory |
| [05:50:34] | Wagner: | if you want to keep the original around, you have to use an external transcoder |
| [05:50:55] | Anduin: | or tick the option to always save the original |
| [05:51:05] | larzen: | Wagner – like the link you had sent me.. right? |
| [05:51:26] | Wagner: | Anduin: i thought that existed, but i couldnt find the option in the frontend |
| [05:51:31] | larzen: | for making the flvs |
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| [05:52:27] | Anduin: | Wagner: mythtv-setup general, several pages in |
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| [05:52:47] | Wagner: | not in the transcoder settings? |
| [05:53:31] | Anduin: | Wagner: I don't think so |
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| [06:00:12] | rcw: | hmm – think I figured out the CPU issue – there was a DVD in the drive that it was having trouble with |
| [06:03:51] | Lexridge: | every once in a while, whether watching DVDs or TV, I get a horizontal line that starts in the center of the screen, but it shifts the video ever so slightly to the left above the line, then it moves up and out rather quickly. I'm guessing it has something to do with progressive scan. Any ideas? |
| [06:04:34] | Lexridge: | it seems to only happen during scene changes, but not always. |
| [06:05:32] | Wagner: | is this analog or digital output? |
| [06:05:58] | Lexridge: | DVI output presently, but I also noticed it with my previous CRT. |
| [06:06:51] | Lexridge: | the CRT ran at 800x600, this LCD is running at 1920x1200, so I don't think it res dependent. |
| [06:08:00] | Lexridge: | I get no errors in either xorg or mythtv logs. |
| [06:09:25] | Lexridge: | it actually will correct itself during a scene change. |
| [06:14:17] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, I have updated http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . ing_Progress a bit |
| [06:14:38] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, ok. Keep meaning to bring it up to date a bit, thanks |
| [06:15:34] | iamlindoro__: | Just keep getting distracted by projects that are more fun ;) |
| [06:15:51] | jpabq: | ;-) |
| [06:17:17] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, have you tried http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/hd_pvr/hdpvr_v1053.zip ? |
| [06:17:45] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, I'm using the original beta 1.0.53, which was about 48 hours off from the "official" 1.0.53 |
| [06:17:56] | iamlindoro__: | Still does AC3, but just never bothered to upgrade |
| [06:18:53] | GuinnessGuy: | no-one's reported being able to use "official" 1.0.53 yet effectively... been a number of failures.. |
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| [06:19:14] | jpabq: | I am still on 1.1b (I think). The original beta that did AC3. |
| [06:20:35] | jpabq: | --- that never went public. |
| [06:21:27] | jpabq: | Actually, that is wrong. I am running the first fw that went public, that supported AC3. I remember upgrading to fix the audio drop-outs. |
| [06:22:54] | GuinnessGuy: | okay – release compile is complete, but I won't be able to install for a few hours... recording in progress ;) Thanks for the help so far... headed for a much-needed beer |
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| [06:38:37] | Egeste: | Question: Why cen't get the backend to start on my server? How do I resolve? |
| [06:38:41] | Egeste: | cant* |
| [06:38:55] | Wagner: | check your logs |
| [06:39:14] | Egeste: | I'm a mythtv noob, where are the logs? |
| [06:39:38] | Wagner: | i assume youre using the init scripts, rather than running mythbackend directly on the terminal? |
| [06:39:40] | Egeste: | nevermind... |
| [06:39:51] | Wagner: | usually /var/log/mythtv |
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| [06:40:18] | Egeste: | Honestly, unless the mythtv installation added a line to my init cfg, no, I'm starting it manually... however I cannot do that |
| [06:40:38] | Wagner: | with what command? |
| [06:41:21] | Egeste: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [06:41:35] | Wagner: | so... youre using the init scripts |
| [06:41:43] | Wagner: | it should log to /var/log/mythtv |
| [06:41:45] | hads: | !logs |
| [06:42:56] | hads: | Oh, wrong channel :) |
| [06:43:23] | Egeste: | hold on... looing though the logfile |
| [06:43:37] | Wagner: | if you cant figure out the issue, pastebin the logs |
| [06:43:55] | Egeste: | this is a loooong logfile.... I need to find the end 1st -.- |
| [06:44:04] | Egeste: | im on ssh, no display |
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| [06:44:17] | Wagner: | dump the file, try to start the backend again |
| [06:44:23] | Wagner: | instant fresh log file |
| [06:44:37] | Egeste: | great idea. how would I do that? just rm the logfiles? |
| [06:44:46] | Wagner: | correct |
| [06:45:02] | iamlindoro__: | Of course, if it's all mysql errors, you can just say that |
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| [06:45:37] | Wagner: | well if it were all mysql files, the backend would continue to run spitting out an endless stream of mysql errors |
| [06:45:39] | Egeste: | well i just rm'd them, im going to try to start the daemon again |
| [06:45:58] | Wagner: | i assume 'cant get the backend to start' means the process is not running |
| [06:45:59] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, it'll stop after a few hundred |
| [06:46:14] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, The process would not run if it's all mysql errors |
| [06:46:23] | iamlindoro__: | eg "can't connect to database" |
| [06:46:29] | Wagner: | oh really? |
| [06:46:46] | Wagner: | i usually catch that error immediately, and dont let it run long enough to terminate itself |
| [06:46:47] | iamlindoro__: | yep, it'll try to do the few hundred queries it does when bringing up the DB, then die |
| [06:46:55] | Egeste: | 2008-12–10 00:45:56.993 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs(): |
| [06:46:55] | Egeste: | Could not get inputs for the capturecard. |
| [06:46:55] | Egeste: | Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video |
| [06:46:55] | Egeste: | sources to your card's inputs? |
| [06:46:55] | Egeste: | ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [06:46:56] | Egeste: | Perhaps you should read the installation instructions? |
| [06:47:00] | Egeste: | >.> |
| [06:47:01] | Egeste: | <.< |
| [06:47:11] | Wagner: | but i have had mythfilldatabase flood the logs for hours when it could not connect |
| [06:47:12] | iamlindoro__: | Good advice, follow it |
| [06:47:24] | iamlindoro__: | "Perhaps you should read the installation instructions?" |
| [06:47:26] | iamlindoro__: | that bit |
| [06:47:28] | Wagner: | Egeste: and next time, use pastebin |
| [06:47:40] | iamlindoro__: | The whole "I didn't read the manual so I didn't run mythtv-setup" bit |
| [06:47:46] | Egeste: | thanks iamlindoro__, I never considered that |
| [06:48:00] | iamlindoro__: | Egeste, Apparently that's so |
| [06:48:01] | Egeste: | </sarcasm |
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| [06:48:31] | iamlindoro__: | That error message isn't sarcasm, it's there because only by not following the instructions could you get there |
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| [06:49:20] | Egeste: | I'll continue to work from that point, thank you for pointing me in the directions of the logs, Wagner |
| [06:50:15] | Wagner: | iamlindoro__ is correct, that error means you have no tuner cards, meaning you have not defined them in mythtv-setup, likely indicating you have not actually run mythtv-setup |
| [06:50:41] | Wagner: | in the event that you actually have no tuner cards (or other recording mechanisms), mythtv is not the best choice |
| [06:50:46] | Egeste: | that is incorrect, but I will run it again |
| [06:52:49] | kormoc: | Egeste, what is incorrect is the lack of listing sources being bound to your card's inputs. That's what that message says and if you disagree, there's not a lot we can do about that... |
| [06:52:50] | Wagner: | oh, you do have cards, you never bound them |
| [06:52:52] | Wagner: | step 4 |
| [06:53:17] | Wagner: | or you have no inputs to bind, thats step 3 |
| [06:53:54] | Wagner: | the channel editor is the only thing that can be skipped in mythtv-setup |
| [06:54:01] | Egeste: | I should go back to my little windows happy land and noob it up |
| [06:54:20] | ** kormoc waves to Egeste ** | |
| [06:54:22] | kormoc: | have fun! |
| [06:54:37] | iamlindoro__: | This is the rare linux channel that has absolutely no interest in getting people to use linux |
| [06:54:53] | RyeBrye: | justinh: when my work shcedule clears up I can try to help you with some icons... but I found this guy's page – he's unbelievable: http://richd.com/labels/icons.html – he does CC-licensed icons for fun |
| [06:55:04] | RyeBrye: | justinh: that guy is way better than I am, for sure |
| [06:55:29] | Egeste: | all joked, aside, I have the capture card defined in the mythtv-backend setup and it appears to recognize it as a leadtek winfast 2000 xp, BT878 (This is the driver?) |
| [06:55:51] | hads: | Heh that Macaroni icon is cool. |
| [06:55:55] | RyeBrye: | justinh: I think he hangs out in the #android channel, I'll see if I can put a bug in his ear about designing some stuff to use with Myth – because this guy is like the sensei when it comes to amazing icons |
| [06:55:56] | kormoc: | Egeste, the error is specifically about the lack of listing sources being bound to inputs. You do have a listing source? |
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| [06:56:12] | Egeste: | I'm sorry kormoc, I do not understand your question |
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| [06:56:35] | kormoc: | Egeste, what are you using to get your guide data, the stuff that says what is on what channels when? |
| [06:56:39] | Wagner: | listing sources, step 3 |
| [06:57:05] | iamlindoro__: | God, if only there was some sort of ducment that described in great detail the inner workings of my, and setup. I could make a fortune! |
| [06:57:15] | iamlindoro__: | s/ducment/document/ |
| [06:57:20] | iamlindoro__: | s/my/myth/ |
| [06:57:57] | Egeste: | Wagner, what are these steps you're referring to? Is there documentation I should be looking at that corresponds to these instructions you;re giving? I would gladly do so if you would link me |
| [06:58:12] | Wagner: | run mythtv-setup, there are 6 numbered items |
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| [06:58:30] | kormoc: | Egeste, it's quite surprisingly documented under the Documentation link on mythtv.org |
| [06:59:10] | Egeste: | c'mon, I'm frustrated enough as it is trying to get this to work, I could really do without the sarcasm. I'm just trying to get some help :-/ |
| [06:59:21] | Wagner: | general setup is step 1, capture cards are 2, input sources are 3, source binding is 4, channel editor is 5, storage groups (recording directories) are 6 |
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| [07:00:04] | kormoc: | Egeste, it's not sarcasm. People put a *ton* of time writing those instructions up, making sure they're complete for the majority of users. It's more you're being fairly insulting to their work by dismissing them out of hand without even looking at them |
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| [07:01:28] | iamlindoro__: | edoceo, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2008-12-09 See 17:23 |
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| [07:02:08] | Wagner: | fun with tab completion |
| [07:02:23] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, No, that's actually for edoceo |
| [07:02:23] | iamlindoro__: | :P) |
| [07:02:25] | iamlindoro__: | er :) |
| [07:02:28] | edoceo: | iamlindoro__: Yea found it! Thanks – I didn't see my name in there but saw my question |
| [07:02:48] | iamlindoro__: | edoceo, yes, was just strange, the guy asked the question identically a few hours before you, my mistake |
| [07:03:13] | edoceo: | np – these IRC channels can be full of wiered-os – the intertoobs are dangerous |
| [07:03:48] | edoceo: | so, my 'MythUbuntu' front-end can run as long as I point it to a compliant MythTV MySQL server? |
| [07:04:35] | iamlindoro__: | Sort of-- will complain at you if you don't also run the backend. IT *is* doable, but not fun. Better to just run the backend which is pretty lightweight |
| [07:04:36] | Wagner: | rather, point it at any relatively modern mysql server, with a mythtv database and proper permissions |
| [07:05:14] | iamlindoro__: | that is the say, run the backend, frontend, and mysql, even though you can *technically* limp through many frontend functions with just the Mysql server and frontend |
| [07:05:25] | edoceo: | iamlindoro__: Well, I'm a Gentoo user, and that system has no x11-libs/apps and I'd have to fetch/comple/install roughtly 59 pacakges |
| [07:05:31] | iamlindoro__: | It'll just shout at you a lot and make use awful |
| [07:05:40] | Wagner: | while not proper, you can run the backend with no tuner cards |
| [07:05:42] | iamlindoro__: | edoceo, you'll have to do that for the frontend too |
| [07:05:52] | edoceo: | Not the experience I want – hmmm. |
| [07:06:05] | edoceo: | Maybe I should not use my primary office server for mythtv backend. |
| [07:06:14] | edoceo: | Settles that – thanks |
| [07:06:24] | edoceo: | So? What everyones favourite tuner card? |
| [07:06:34] | kormoc: | depends on what you're after |
| [07:06:38] | iamlindoro__: | edoceo, Since we live across the globe, that's likely to vary dramatically |
| [07:06:41] | Wagner: | if you are not recording anything, the backend is doing nothing but idling, consuming memory |
| [07:06:46] | iamlindoro__: | since there are many different standards |
| [07:06:54] | iamlindoro__: | for many different purposes |
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| [07:07:12] | edoceo: | I'm in the US, have analogue cable and may go to digital here in a few months. Would also be cool to get US over-air digital tv |
| [07:07:19] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:07:39] | edoceo: | I want to record all my favourite adverts! |
| [07:07:40] | kormoc: | I wonder if I should go clean shaved or go with a stylized beard for awhile... |
| [07:07:49] | Wagner: | US OTA is simple, get an ATSC card |
| [07:08:01] | Wagner: | most ATSC cards also support QAM (digital cable) |
| [07:08:10] | iamlindoro__: | For analog in the US, the tried and true paths are the Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500. For digital, there are many many good choices. the new Hauppauge HVR-1600 is a bit of a tough setup, but does analog and digital decently with myth, in one card |
| [07:08:11] | kormoc: | assuming it's unencrypted QAM |
| [07:08:15] | Wagner: | however digital cable can only be recorded if unencrypted |
| [07:08:33] | Wagner: | meaning you typically will only get your local broadcast channels, retransmitted over the cable line |
| [07:08:36] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: thing is, most US OTA channels are crap |
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| [07:08:57] | Wagner: | CCFL_Man2: thing is, US OTA is most of what i record anymore |
| [07:09:06] | edoceo: | CCFL_Man2: Most US TV is crap |
| [07:09:12] | Wagner: | along with a handful of stuff on scifi/discovery/history |
| [07:09:26] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, Ignore him, he's been here a yearish and TTBOMK still hasn't built a mythbox |
| [07:09:28] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: ahh |
| [07:09:39] | CCFL_Man2: | edoceo: you got that right |
| [07:10:35] | Wagner: | CCFL_Man2: sadly, FTA Sat gets you much of the same crap, plus a bunch of religious channels, and nasa |
| [07:11:16] | edoceo: | iamlindoro__, Wagner – thanks for the help! (sorry for the invasioin on #mythtv, I just guessed at a channel name) |
| [07:11:23] | ** edoceo earned smoke break ** | |
| [07:11:51] | iamlindoro__: | edoceo, ok, good luck |
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| [07:12:20] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: actually, fta is really good, wild feeds, cool international channels and radio channels too |
| [07:12:31] | Wagner: | wow, the screaming monkey lasted a whole 10 minutes on woot |
| [07:12:45] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, wootoff still going on? |
| [07:12:51] | Wagner: | yeah |
| [07:12:58] | iamlindoro__: | wow |
| [07:13:03] | Wagner: | seems its a 2-day'er |
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| [07:13:54] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: if you like nbc, point a c band dish toAMC18 |
| [07:14:01] | CCFL_Man2: | err |
| [07:14:34] | Wagner: | or i just point my bunny ears at the transmitter on a hill five miles away |
| [07:14:48] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: if you like nbc, point a c band dish to AMC18 and use a dvb-s2 tuner card to receive nbc hd in mpeg4 |
| [07:14:53] | iamlindoro__: | Wagner, Oh, come on, you DO have a 2 meter dish, don't you? |
| [07:14:54] | kormoc: | oh christ. this mythweb object rewrite is a lot bigger then I thought |
| [07:15:00] | kormoc: | Thank you mythproto |
| [07:15:21] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: i think everyone should have one |
| [07:15:33] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2, I think you're a moron. Yay opinions! |
| [07:15:53] | ** edoceo laughs ** | |
| [07:16:17] | Wagner: | i know i should have made my pool dish shaped rather than something more traditional |
| [07:16:43] | kormoc: | I don't think I could fit a 2m dish anywhere on my property |
| [07:17:28] | edoceo: | Which tuner card will receive inter-stellar signals and match the decor on my 50m yacht? |
| [07:17:50] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: mpeg4 hd nbc feeds look nice, plus there are no inserted commerciaks, most of the commercial slots are blank |
| [07:18:02] | kormoc: | I'm still waiting on my flux capacitor to power my intergalactic xvr 5000 |
| [07:18:14] | iamlindoro__: | Make that 50m yacht a 50m radiotelescope and you'll be on to something |
| [07:18:36] | kormoc: | xvr for the extreme video recording! |
| [07:18:59] | CCFL_Man2: | edoceo: how do you think cable companiesget their signals? |
| [07:19:04] | iamlindoro__: | Unfortunately the US implementation of XVR is still MPEG-2 |
| [07:19:39] | edoceo: | CCFL_Man2: I don't think about it – I have a business to run |
| [07:19:52] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: US c band mpeg4 feeds ftw |
| [07:19:54] | iamlindoro__: | not to mention a world outside the house to explore |
| [07:20:03] | edoceo: | true |
| [07:20:19] | iamlindoro__: | What was it someone called it? The day star? |
| [07:20:28] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: like my dish farm? |
| [07:20:31] | iamlindoro__: | It burns!! |
| [07:20:43] | Wagner: | ooohh... thats dangerous, you day-walker |
| [07:21:02] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2, Rather than addressing me, just think these things in your head, and then imagine my response is "you are the biggest idiot I have ever met." |
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| [07:21:07] | iamlindoro__: | Then we'll *both* save typing! |
| [07:21:25] | ** edoceo laughs – out loud even ** | |
| [07:21:49] | edoceo: | This channel is much funnier than others I spend my time on |
| [07:21:55] | edoceo: | Including NBC! |
| [07:22:01] | iamlindoro__: | You should see it during the daytime |
| [07:22:07] | iamlindoro__: | less stupid, but more sass |
| [07:22:10] | CCFL_Man2: | i can't say i'm an idiot, because everything i set up and configured works |
| [07:22:20] | edoceo: | I'm going to hang for a while |
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| [07:23:41] | CCFL_Man2: | i just have an excentric hobby |
| [07:24:19] | CCFL_Man2: | it's not like i buy this stuff and it just sits around doing nothing, everything works |
| [07:24:55] | at0m|c: | CCFL_Man2, dish farm as in interferometric? |
| [07:25:06] | Wagner: | as in multiple directions |
| [07:25:10] | at0m|c: | oh |
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| [07:26:03] | iamlindoro__: | I have a dish farm in the kitchen |
| [07:26:03] | iamlindoro__: | cups, saucers, you name it |
| [07:26:07] | CCFL_Man2: | most of the time i spend a lit of time learning how things work and tryng to figure stuff out |
| [07:27:06] | edoceo: | Does your dish-farm havs the Judas Chalas? |
| [07:27:18] | CCFL_Man2: | at0m|c: three TV receive only dishes, a 6 foot and 8 foot cband, and a 36 inch ku band |
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| [07:28:03] | Wagner: | interferometry only helps with resolving detail, it doesnt help with reception |
| [07:28:15] | Wagner: | you still need raw area to get above the noise floor |
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| [07:29:24] | CCFL_Man2: | edoceo: what? |
| [07:29:53] | Wagner: | edoceo: remember, you cant take that across the seal |
| [07:30:34] | at0m|c: | Wagner, right, was starting to doubt.. in astronomy they have endless time for observation |
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| [07:30:47] | at0m|c: | not bound to receive at the HD datarate eh |
| [07:31:45] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: when peaking a dish, i'm guessing you peak it to the highest positive eb/no ratio? |
| [07:32:19] | Wagner: | at0m|c: its got nothing to do with datarate |
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| [07:32:51] | Wagner: | at a certain size of dish and wavelength, you can only resolve to some cone extending from the dish |
| [07:33:08] | Wagner: | if you want better resolution (narrower cone), you need a bigger dish |
| [07:33:19] | Wagner: | or you need to simulate one with interferometry |
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| [07:35:49] | Wagner: | interferometry gets you the resolution you want, but the antenna gain is relative to area, not diameter |
| [07:36:33] | CCFL_Man2: | Wagner: you talking about radio astronomy? |
| [07:37:20] | Wagner: | not necessarily |
| [07:38:20] | Wagner: | interferometry has far more uses than radio astronomy |
| [07:38:55] | Wagner: | optical astronomy uses it, satellite imagery uses it, advanced radar systems have been using it for probably 50 years |
| [07:41:26] | CCFL_Man2: | do you have experience in tvro dish peaking? |
| [07:42:27] | Wagner: | none |
| [07:42:42] | CCFL_Man2: | neither do i |
| [07:46:51] | kormoc: | hahaha |
| [07:46:56] | kormoc: | This guy just won't quit |
| [07:47:23] | kormoc: | in a cover letter applying for a job, "People never understand me. Even after clear evidence is presented that I am well educated and in possession of a Genius IQ rating, many people still think that their homespun wisdom and homilies should apply to me. I try to explain that I have a very normal ego, I'm a typical guy in many ways, but that they do not think -at all- like me. Nobody listens." |
| [07:48:31] | edoceo: | kormoc: where is that from? |
| [07:48:43] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: Stop quoting my love letters |
| [07:48:44] | kormoc: | a guy's cover letter applying for a job |
| [07:48:55] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: Wow. Epic fail. |
| [07:49:01] | edoceo: | cripe! that's awesome! |
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| [07:49:15] | RyeBrye: | Is he trying to stay on unemployment? |
| [07:49:23] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:49:38] | RyeBrye: | "Hire me. I will be a thorn in your side and my MENSA will pwn your puny earth brain" |
| [07:50:05] | tjcarter: | kormoc: that's pretty ... just wow. |
| [07:50:11] | Wagner: | i have to think anyone who joins MENSA does not have a 'normal' ego |
| [07:50:11] | tjcarter: | kormoc: IT work? |
| [07:50:20] | kormoc: | The same email address he used to send that in also posts in the local poly groups looking for single slave women, also in other adult groups and talks about how he has super clearance in the navy and knows all about the ufo's and alien life |
| [07:50:33] | RyeBrye: | Wow |
| [07:50:41] | edoceo: | Is his name leonce? |
| [07:50:44] | RyeBrye: | he clearly does NOT think like most other people |
| [07:50:44] | kormoc: | tjcarter, Aye, but he hasn't managed to land a single IT job yet according to the resume, it's all food service stuff |
| [07:50:45] | kormoc: | nah |
| [07:50:53] | tjcarter: | Wagner: I considered it once, but then I realized the lack of social grace that must be required to function as a MENSA member |
| [07:51:05] | tjcarter: | kormoc: wonder why. |
| [07:51:21] | tjcarter: | kormoc: "I'm a total f--king asshole, hire me." |
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| [07:51:52] | kormoc: | tjcarter, the best part, this is the second letter he's sent in, the first one was begging, 'Be a real company and give me a chance!' |
| [07:52:02] | kormoc: | and now this one is over the top... whatever it is |
| [07:52:03] | tjcarter: | HAHA |
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| [07:52:10] | RyeBrye: | It's sad that people think that a high IQ can get you farther in life than good people skills... and the sad trap of it is that it is almost logical that if you can make logical decisions faster you should get ahead – so it's easy to fall into that trap |
| [07:52:12] | edoceo: | sweet-merciful-crap! |
| [07:52:36] | Wagner: | you think he realizes that 'super clearance' just means they trust him? not that he has actually ever been told anything |
| [07:52:46] | edoceo: | As a "real" company owner we do not succeed by taking "chances" |
| [07:52:47] | tjcarter: | kormoc: I'd call him in for an interview just to rip him a new one, for his own good. |
| [07:53:10] | kormoc: | I was pondering that, given we're advertising for experienced folks |
| [07:53:19] | RyeBrye: | I'd call him in for an interview and ask him very simple questions. but pause and pretend like they are profound and trick questions: |
| [07:53:43] | kormoc: | "When running EXAMPLE_QUERY_HERE, what caches does the innodb engine check? And myisam?" |
| [07:54:22] | kormoc: | "What if I add in a cross join so the innodb table is joined on the myisam, how will the query optimizer choose which engine features to use?" |
| [07:54:27] | kormoc: | stuff like that would have been fun :) |
| [07:55:24] | tjcarter: | "It's not the one brilliant decision, it's the 500 smart decisions that really make things good. It's more a matter of being able to keep making smart decisions. Making one brilliant decision and a whole bunch of mediocre ones isn't as good as making a whole bunch of generally smart decisions throughout the whole process. And there's so many of them that have to be made." |
| [07:56:15] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: "Explain to me how I could solve this problem using a right outer join" |
| [07:56:44] | tjcarter: | edoceo: I'm also a fan of Mr. Tesla's famous comment, "If Mr. Edison had thought smarter, he wouldn't sweat so much." |
| [07:57:12] | RyeBrye: | Sometimes, when I interview people for Flex / Actionscript positions – I'll ask them "What are some steps you take to ensure your UI code is thread save in Flex?" |
| [07:57:22] | kormoc: | Ooh! "How long would it take roughly to replay back innodb's log on a unclean restart of the engine if the dataset is 22m rows and 5 gigs and the reply log is 32 megs and contains on average 1.2k per query. Assume the log was full' |
| [07:57:28] | RyeBrye: | Just to be an ass... You can get some funny answers |
| [07:57:51] | edoceo: | RyeBrye: Does Flex do threads? |
| [07:57:57] | RyeBrye: | (The same question could apply to web dev: "How do you make sure your AJAX code is thread safe?") |
| [07:58:06] | edoceo: | Ohh! Now I get it |
| [07:58:09] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [07:58:15] | kormoc: | that's awesome |
| [07:58:36] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: "You don't do anything stupid." |
| [07:58:45] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: do I get the job? |
| [07:58:46] | tjcarter: | ;) |
| [07:59:21] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter: yeah, pretty much... although the trick to the question is that there isn't any threading in flex that you code with – so you don't have to care at all |
| [07:59:31] | edoceo: | My favourite questions are about heirical data in sql tables |
| [07:59:44] | kormoc: | hahahahah! "This is such a mind-bending perception that I was unable to function as a student and my grades went from 4.0 to 1.6 GPA annualized." |
| [07:59:49] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I was about to ask if you were gonna make me qualify "anything stupid" |
| [08:00:09] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter: how would you qualify iti? |
| [08:00:13] | tjcarter: | ... "Trying to find a way to use threads in a webapp." |
| [08:00:41] | RyeBrye: | I'm sure I could find good uses of threads in Flex if they had them in there |
| [08:00:54] | kormoc: | well, with ajax, one could consider each ajax request a thread that you have limited control over it's returning... |
| [08:01:07] | RyeBrye: | having worker threads and such would be much nicer than having to use an asynch orgy |
| [08:01:15] | tjcarter: | Well sure, but you don't really want to do that. |
| [08:01:29] | ** tjcarter doesn't know anything about Flex ** | |
| [08:01:35] | ** tjcarter knows a smattering of AJAX ** | |
| [08:01:51] | ** tjcarter always prefers Dawn though, it's better on greasy foods =p ** | |
| [08:01:53] | RyeBrye: | Flex runs in a VM inside of the browser – but you can also use to run in AIR – which runs on the desktop |
| [08:02:09] | kormoc: | tjcarter, sadly, I worry bout that crap, doing way too m uch interactive stuff these days that rely on persistent apps |
| [08:02:12] | RyeBrye: | on the desktop, there is clearly a lot of cases wher eyou can use threads |
| [08:02:13] | Wagner: | well ajax is nothing more than a handful of operations on top of standard javascript usage |
| [08:02:45] | Wagner: | its not like theres really anything to know a smattering of |
| [08:02:51] | tjcarter: | Wagner: yeah, and the notion of trying to find ways to thread javascript should scare the batshit out of anyone. |
| [08:03:49] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: Sometimes I miss coding for a living. |
| [08:04:01] | Wagner: | well like kormoc said, each browser instance is one 'thread' |
| [08:04:02] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: Then I remember what it was like, and I stop rapidly. |
| [08:04:08] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [08:04:33] | ** RyeBrye has had 4 hours of sleep in the past 48 – and probably 20 of that has been trying to beat into submission one small aspect of a project he is working on ** | |
| [08:04:35] | Wagner: | say ive got two copies of mythweb open, one i tell to delete a file, the other i later tell to transcode said file |
| [08:05:03] | Wagner: | race condition! |
| [08:05:12] | tjcarter: | Wagner: that's not threading, that is a ra.. |
| [08:05:14] | Wagner: | although in that case, you just get an error, rather than breaking something |
| [08:06:07] | kormoc: | nah, threading is more like, send off ajax request to load something, send off ajax request to do something and thus the return of the second request modifies the first's load. that's as close to having a thread issue as you can really get |
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| [08:06:30] | tjcarter: | yup |
| [08:06:31] | kormoc: | but yeah, it's really just a fancy way of saying 'this can cause a race condition' |
| [08:06:58] | tjcarter: | And if you code right, you can deal with that. |
| [08:07:04] | tjcarter: | Of course it's AJAX |
| [08:07:06] | tjcarter: | so ... |
| [08:07:10] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [08:07:36] | tjcarter: | it's gonna blow up in your face, most likely, because the "programmer" who wrote it is a pimply-faced dweeb who cut his teeth on VB.NET. |
| [08:07:52] | tjcarter: | ...and decided it was too hard. |
| [08:08:01] | Wagner: | ok, ive never actually used threads per se, but i do a lot of multiprocess MPI work |
| [08:08:02] | kormoc: | Hey now! I cut my teeth on basic on the vic-20! :P |
| [08:08:18] | Wagner: | i suppose thats not quite the same, considering the processes do not have direct memory access |
| [08:08:24] | tjcarter: | kormoc: did you decide basic was too hard? |
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| [08:08:41] | kormoc: | tjcarter, nah, not at all, I moved onto C for a fair bit :P |
| [08:08:51] | tjcarter: | There you go. |
| [08:09:23] | tjcarter: | I went to Object Pascal (necessity) then to C++, then back to C.. |
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| [08:09:38] | tjcarter: | Then C++ got essentially rewritten and I don't speak the new C++ |
| [08:09:52] | tjcarter: | namespace? |
| [08:10:30] | tjcarter: | The last C++ compiler I used regularly considers that whole using namespace thing a syntax error. |
| [08:11:13] | tjcarter: | Bjarne's rewritten half the language since those daze |
| [08:12:30] | tjcarter: | Used a little Java--not a bad language, but I don't care for its API, and I really wanted a compiler. |
| [08:12:36] | Wagner: | fortran beecheez! |
| [08:12:40] | tjcarter: | gcj was pretty lackluster at the time |
| [08:12:58] | tjcarter: | Python with Glade made me HATE HATE HATE Swing |
| [08:13:18] | tjcarter: | Glade being somewhat sane. |
| [08:15:09] | Wagner: | hmm... ill have to look into glade |
| [08:15:19] | Wagner: | ive got a couple little monitoring scripts using python-tk |
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| [08:19:29] | Wagner: | ugh... i just got forwarded an email from my college career center |
| [08:19:48] | Wagner: | its a recruitment flier from microsoft, using some 'Kristen ITC' font |
| [08:20:00] | Wagner: | its about as professional as the genius cover letter |
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| [08:21:45] | tjcarter: | Could be worse |
| [08:21:47] | tjcarter: | Comic Sans MS |
| [08:21:56] | tjcarter: | unprofessional an unoriginal |
| [08:22:31] | tjcarter: | I certainly wouldn't go looking for a job with MS now |
| [08:22:47] | Wagner: | im an aerospace engineer |
| [08:22:54] | Wagner: | i wouldnt go looking for a job with MS anyway |
| [08:23:05] | Wagner: | they just lump all of engineering together on the mailing list |
| [08:23:32] | tjcarter: | A rocket scientist? =D |
| [08:24:02] | Wagner: | you know what the greatest thing about that is? |
| [08:24:11] | tjcarter: | We wanted to get Dave Evans a t-shirt that said, "Yes dammit, I am a rocket scientist." |
| [08:24:23] | tjcarter: | But then he left his job to go work on public transit(!) |
| [08:24:46] | Wagner: | my roommate worked at Lee's Chicken, was working the drive thru, and got into an argument over how much she paid |
| [08:24:48] | tank-man: | my shirt says "I am able to divide by zero" |
| [08:25:05] | Wagner: | he pulled out the 'im a god damned rocket scientist' on her |
| [08:25:06] | tjcarter: | Building mars rovers out of tinfoil so they're light enough vs. trying to fix Floridian public transit service.. |
| [08:26:09] | tjcarter: | Wagner: yes, but was the bill measured in English or metric units? ;) |
| [08:26:38] | Wagner: | would that be Pounds and Euros? |
| [08:27:00] | tjcarter: | Sure why not |
| [08:27:02] | tjcarter: | it'd matter |
| [08:27:31] | tjcarter: | At this point she could've paid in pesos and it'd be more than the dollars, probably. |
| [08:27:41] | tjcarter: | If not, give it another couple of bailouts |
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| [08:27:52] | Wagner: | to be honest, im amazed engineering as a whole hasnt switched over to metric |
| [08:28:08] | hads: | It has :) |
| [08:28:15] | Wagner: | apparently not at NASA |
| [08:28:17] | Dibblah: | So, who's keeping the book for ticket 6000? |
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| [08:28:35] | tjcarter: | It's not that I'm a cynical such-and-such.. |
| [08:28:39] | tjcarter: | Okay well yeah it is. |
| [08:28:48] | ** Dibblah puts his bet on for 12:00 GMT. ** | |
| [08:28:56] | Wagner: | i use metric for everything i do, and then convert back to english if need be |
| [08:29:03] | ojg: | Im planing to buy another tv card for my backend what dual tuner cards except nova-t 500 can you guys recommend ? |
| [08:29:23] | hads: | Convert to USA you mean? |
| [08:29:35] | tjcarter: | Wagner: I'm vaguely nerd-shaped, so keeping track of my weight in kilos helps me feel better about it ;) |
| [08:30:13] | Wagner: | hads: you bastards thought it up, im sticking you with the blame |
| [08:30:49] | hads: | You're the ones holding onto it. |
| [08:30:50] | tjcarter: | ojg: you'd have to ask someone more else who is both more on topic and does the dish thing |
| [08:30:50] | ** tjcarter doesn't even know what one needs to use a dish with Myth, unless they remote control a box and pull in s-video ** | |
| [08:31:36] | hads: | DVB |
| [08:31:39] | Wagner: | tjcarter: '-t' means terrestrial, broadcast |
| [08:32:07] | hads: | Like that ATSC thingy or whatever it is. |
| [08:32:28] | tjcarter: | oh, DVB-T 500 is basically not-US PVR-500 then? |
| [08:32:33] | Wagner: | one o' them fancy euro types |
| [08:32:45] | hads: | tjcarter: No, DVB, digital. |
| [08:32:49] | tjcarter: | ah |
| [08:32:58] | tjcarter: | US still in stone age |
| [08:33:49] | tjcarter: | well, I still don't know what I'd need to use DirecTV or Dish Network or something here. |
| [08:34:03] | Wagner: | that same PVR-500 |
| [08:34:16] | kormoc: | or 150 |
| [08:34:26] | tjcarter: | I wouldn't want to mess with boxes, I would want HD, and I would actually legally pay for my stuff. |
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| [08:34:51] | Wagner: | no choice |
| [08:35:01] | Wagner: | one box for SD, two for HD |
| [08:35:14] | tjcarter: | ...but I'm not opposed to doing something that would allow illegal usage if I chose to set it up |
| [08:35:27] | tjcarter: | Wagner: how do you get HD into Myth in the US? |
| [08:35:45] | Wagner: | HDPVR, component capture box |
| [08:36:07] | tjcarter: | My opposition is to screwing with sat providers who are basically just wireless cable providers and should have the same legal protection |
| [08:36:19] | tjcarter: | Not to destroying DRM ;) |
| [08:36:36] | tjcarter: | Isn't that like a house of cards in a hurricane still? |
| [08:37:12] | Wagner: | ive heard its working pretty stabily anymore in trunk |
| [08:37:19] | tjcarter: | good to know |
| [08:37:31] | tjcarter: | maybe next year I'll be ready to get a pair |
| [08:38:12] | hads: | heh |
| [08:38:50] | tjcarter: | of course, hell will freeze before macs can handle changing aspect correctly with MythFrontend. |
| [08:39:04] | tjcarter: | well, either hell will freeze or Qt4 will magically fix it |
| [08:39:27] | ** tjcarter looks at RyeBrye questioningly ** | |
| [08:39:44] | ** RyeBrye has no idea ** | |
| [08:39:55] | tjcarter: | yeah I'm not that daring either ;) |
| [08:40:37] | tjcarter: | Whatever happened to that Core Video patch? |
| [08:40:50] | tjcarter: | It had its own bugs associated with it, but they were relatively minor as I recall |
| [08:41:04] | RyeBrye: | I haven't followed it much :( |
| [08:41:05] | Wagner: | people realized ffmpeg had slice support too |
| [08:42:10] | Wagner: | under windows, i really havent noticed coreavc doing much better than ffdshow, so unless youre right on the fence, it isnt going to do much for you |
| [08:42:26] | tjcarter: | Wagner: well, my screen is 1900x1200, so I'd like good scaling, good deinterlacing, good playback speed efficiency, and aspect control ;) |
| [08:42:59] | Wagner: | where did you manage to find one at that size? ive never heard of that before |
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| [08:43:51] | tjcarter: | sorry, 1920x1200 |
| [08:44:23] | tjcarter: | it's a standard OMFGVGA screen =D |
| [08:44:29] | tjcarter: | 24" |
| [08:44:36] | tjcarter: | suitable for a single viewer |
| [08:47:25] | justinh: | lol @ our dog. frantically digging away at an upturned frisbee in the garden so he can get at the ice formed inside it. Silly doggy! |
| [08:54:43] | justinh: | oh nice. high five open source media centre apps – mythtv made it with 5% of the votes. Just a pity the screenshot they featured was from the ark :( |
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| [09:25:19] | justinh: | not funny how gbpvr keeps getting a mention either, since it's only free as in beer, not actually open source |
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| [10:41:48] | ingo86: | hi all |
| [10:42:01] | ingo86: | i'm searching for an hybrid tv card, which does DVB-T and analogue, anyone could advice me something that works out of the box with mythtv? |
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| [10:42:33] | fdasse: | hello |
| [10:42:35] | fdasse: | [][] |
| [10:42:38] | fdasse: | anyone with skystar 2? |
| [10:44:44] | sulx: | fdasse: I have cablestar 2 if that helps... |
| [10:44:57] | fdasse: | oh, ok. |
| [10:45:02] | fdasse: | just bought one skystar 2 |
| [10:45:10] | fdasse: | and finished building my htpc. |
| [10:45:25] | fdasse: | want to know wich is the best configuration to use cccam share. |
| [10:45:42] | fdasse: | is it possible to use xbmc + mythtv (inside xbmc) |
| [10:45:57] | fdasse: | so everytime i want to watch tv channels i dont have to go out xbmc ? |
| [10:46:26] | sulx: | there is basic mythtv support in xbmc...I think...very basic |
| [10:46:29] | sulx: | newer tried tho |
| [10:46:36] | fdasse: | oh ok. |
| [10:47:03] | fdasse: | because mythtv isn't like a media center or is it ? |
| [10:48:11] | hads: | fdasse: If you're talking about a softcam then that's not an acceptable topic here. |
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| [10:48:37] | fdasse: | oh ok. |
| [10:48:46] | fdasse: | talking about mythtv now :) |
| [10:49:01] | fdasse: | is it only a channel recording interface or a media center like xbmc ? |
| [10:49:21] | kormoc: | fdasse, perhaps looking at the mythtv.org website will answer your questions better then us |
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| [10:50:19] | fdasse: | it has a few screenshots |
| [10:50:53] | kormoc: | fdasse, and the words between the screen shots explain what they are of |
| [10:59:50] | fdasse: | what do u guys think about linux mce |
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| [11:16:17] | doc___: | hi there |
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| [13:51:24] | plb: | hm anyone have a pvrusb2? Trying to get the radio working..it seems to pick up stations but when I try to tune it to one I get /dev/video24 belongs to a different ivtv driver then /dev/radio0 |
| [13:57:23] | justinh: | asking a question about analogue radio in the mythtv-users channel. yay |
| [13:57:32] | plb: | =) |
| [13:58:20] | justinh: | visited the Apple store today. they didn't have any Mac minis out at all :( |
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| [13:59:47] | plb: | heh something funny happened at the apple store here the other day... |
| [14:00:13] | plb: | some guy who couldn't get a job anywhere took all his anger out in the apple store and just started beating the crap out of everyone |
| [14:00:30] | justinh: | wow. they allow losers in eh |
| [14:00:50] | justinh: | anyway, re your tuner card radio issue, maybe mythbackend is hogging it :) |
| [14:01:04] | plb: | I have yet to install mythtv on this box yet |
| [14:01:12] | plb: | just trying to get everything up and running |
| [14:01:43] | justinh: | I've never played with radio tuners in linux... only radio stuff I have experience of is DVB-T radio |
| [14:02:19] | justinh: | FM radio is dead. Long live shoutcast, DAB & DVB radio :D |
| [14:02:43] | plb: | yeah I only really listen to one of the morning shows here |
| [14:02:56] | plb: | which is why I want it |
| [14:03:20] | plb: | tv works fine |
| [14:03:40] | justinh: | ah the old "comedy duo with 'wacky' calls & stupid jingles & songs" format eh |
| [14:04:07] | plb: | yeah lol |
| [14:04:30] | justinh: | get a cheap FM radio, plug it into a spare audio input.. badabing |
| [14:04:34] | plb: | ah still got to get lirc working as well..almost forgot about that |
| [14:04:56] | justinh: | dirt cheap bash script timed recording, job done :) |
| [14:05:15] | plb: | could do that but it's annoying that it's picking up stations just no sound |
| [14:05:33] | justinh: | how do you know it's picking up stations though? |
| [14:05:47] | at0m|c: | justinh, we can't help there's crap on _your_ FM :P |
| [14:05:59] | plb: | I did a scan |
| [14:06:04] | justinh: | getting DAB in my car for xmas :) |
| [14:06:22] | plb: | it lists the stations but when I try to tune in it gives me that error |
| [14:06:41] | plb: | nice |
| [14:06:46] | justinh: | plb: your user have permission to use the device? |
| [14:06:52] | plb: | hmm |
| [14:06:57] | justinh: | (the usual) |
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| [14:09:37] | plb: | wouldn't be the same as tv? |
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| [14:10:52] | jduggan: | dab for xmas? my partner is giving me a hard time about getting a sat dish with lnb/cable etc, even though i've already invested in a dvb-s card and have no dish =] |
| [14:10:53] | shankazulu: | Dibblah: hey i managed to get my second dvb tuner (usb) working. i don't know what caused the no signal lock problem though. i just pull out and in the usb connection and run mythtv-setup. |
| [14:10:54] | Finswimmer: | hello, as in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend said, I changed my bind-address to my local ip address: bind-address 192.168.1.5. but the frontend on a different machine does not show it in the list... |
| [14:10:57] | Finswimmer: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [14:10:58] | Finswimmer: | 2008-12–10 15:11:07.938 DB Error (SaveSettingOnHost query failure: ): |
| [14:11:00] | Finswimmer: | Query was: |
| [14:11:11] | Finswimmer: | and then /empty/ |
| [14:11:19] | Finswimmer: | is all what I get on console |
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| [14:16:52] | fuxxy: | I'm migrating my backend to a new machine, and for a short time, I will have two master backends running on the same network at the same time. Should I expect any problems setting up the new master backend while the old master backend is still running? |
| [14:18:47] | GreyFoxx: | As long as they are not using the same database it shouldn't be a problem |
| [14:18:58] | GreyFoxx: | How long are you planning to run them in paralell? |
| [14:20:06] | fuxxy: | GreyFoxx: I'll be using a new database on the new server. |
| [14:20:14] | Finswimmer: | is there anythings else what I need to do to get the frontend working on a different machine? (except changing bind-address in my.cnf) |
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| [14:20:48] | fuxxy: | GreyFoxx: I'm not actually planning on actually using them both at the same time in parallel, I just want to get the new one up and running before I shut the old one down. |
| [14:21:04] | fuxxy: | trying to save time for the wife. |
| [14:21:30] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: don't forget to give the mysql user "mythtv" permission to access the database from a remote host. |
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| [14:22:48] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: this is mentioned in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend. but the mysql code gives me always 0 row affected... |
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| [14:23:51] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: you did the 'grant all privileges on *.* to mythtv@'%' |
| [14:23:54] | fuxxy: | ? |
| [14:25:21] | Finswimmer: | grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'C1RFOKlE'; --> Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
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| [14:25:37] | Finswimmer: | mysql -u root -p mysql to start the mysql cmdline |
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| [14:26:33] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: now try to log into the mythconverg database from a remote machine. |
| [14:26:48] | fuxxy: | wait |
| [14:26:56] | fuxxy: | mysql -u root -p mythconverg |
| [14:28:08] | fuxxy: | and don't forget to change the IP address in the backend to something other than "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" |
| [14:28:11] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: all the same. 0 rows affected. and the backend does not appear in the list. |
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| [14:30:23] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: "master backend" in general: what must I add there? |
| [14:30:52] | fuxxy: | Go to your remote host, and try to connect to the mysql database – 'mysql -u root -h 12.34.56.78 -p mythconverg' |
| [14:31:21] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: in the backend configuration, the network IP of your backend is fine. |
| [14:31:56] | Finswimmer: | ysql -u root -h 192.168.1.5 -p mythconverg |
| [14:31:58] | Finswimmer: | Enter password: |
| [14:32:00] | Finswimmer: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'192.168.1.3' (using password: NO) |
| [14:32:24] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: mabye try user "mysql" |
| [14:32:40] | fuxxy: | that's the one you enabled remote access for. |
| [14:32:53] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: changing the ip lets the backend appear in the list. |
| [14:32:59] | gbee: | and check that skip-networking is commented out in /etc/my.cnf |
| [14:33:41] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: mysql still does not work. same error |
| [14:34:06] | Finswimmer: | gbee: it is commented out. only bind-addresse = 192.168.1.5 is in |
| [14:34:10] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: check gbee's suggestion, make sure skip-networking is commented out. |
| [14:34:29] | fuxxy: | hrm. |
| [14:36:17] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [14:36:20] | fuxxy: | Finally, if you just want to restrict by IP subnet (in this example, the 192.168.1. network): |
| [14:36:22] | Finswimmer: | the situation: i can connect to backend, but not watching tv nor a recorded show |
| [14:36:50] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: make sure you can log into mysql from the remote frontend before trying the actual frontend. |
| [14:36:57] | fuxxy: | if you can't log in, the frontend can't log in |
| [14:37:06] | at0m|c: | Finswimmer, did you mount the directories containing the media files in the same path on the frontend? |
| [14:37:43] | Finswimmer: | at0m|c: mounting directories? i thought this would work within mythtv? |
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| [14:38:15] | at0m|c: | possibly, i'm not sure |
| [14:38:35] | at0m|c: | my historical version likes the paths mounted |
| [14:44:19] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: mysql -u mysql mythconverg on the backend server leads also to a permission denied... |
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| [14:48:12] | fuxxy: | Finswimmer: don't forget the -p |
| [14:50:00] | Finswimmer: | "mysql -u root mythconverg" works on the backend. |
| [14:50:05] | Finswimmer: | and frontend: mysql -u root mythconverg -h 192.168.1.5 |
| [14:50:06] | Finswimmer: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'192.168.1.3' (using password: YES) |
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| [14:52:55] | ruskie: | try -d 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:52:58] | ruskie: | erm -h |
| [14:53:48] | Finswimmer: | ruskie: where? on the frontend? or backend? |
| [14:54:36] | Finswimmer: | both: ne mysql server. |
| [14:54:36] | ruskie: | on the DB host |
| [14:54:57] | Finswimmer: | but on DB host: mysql -u root mythconverg -h 192.168.1.5 works |
| [14:55:11] | ruskie: | probably root user only has permission to login on localhost and you might need to setup more... |
| [14:55:21] | ruskie: | hence why it works on localhost? |
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| [14:57:02] | Finswimmer: | I do not know. |
| [14:57:13] | ruskie: | well check... |
| [14:57:35] | ruskie: | no clue what the table with the mysql users is but list all users and you should see it quickly |
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| [15:00:12] | fuxxy: | you don't want root access from anywhere but localhost |
| [15:00:26] | fuxxy: | the user "mythtv" needs to have access. |
| [15:02:20] | Finswimmer: | fuxxy: the user "mythtv" is not allowed to do anything, it seem: root@finswimmer-desktop:~# mysql -u mysql mythconverg -p |
| [15:02:22] | Finswimmer: | Enter password: |
| [15:02:23] | Finswimmer: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mysql'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [15:04:08] | Finswimmer: | yeah. doing it again with brain turned on, it seems to work :) |
| [15:05:05] | fuxxy: | :) |
| [15:05:13] | fuxxy: | We all have our days. |
| [15:06:44] | fuxxy: | Hmm, I wonder why LiveTV has Auto Expire disabled? |
| [15:06:50] | Finswimmer: | uhh. now it is this: liveTV works fine. preview of recorded shows works also. but watching recorded shows does not work |
| [15:06:56] | fuxxy: | the LiveTV recordings, rather. |
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| [15:11:00] | Finswimmer: | is it really necessary to mount the directory which holds the recordings? |
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| [15:12:10] | Huijari: | uhm, on the backend, yes |
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| [15:13:11] | Finswimmer: | Huijari: my frontend is on a different machine. do I have to mount them via samba/nfs? |
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| [15:14:01] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: no. |
| [15:16:19] | Finswimmer: | hmm. do you have an idea why I cannot watch recordings on the frontend? (preview is working, also liveTV) |
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| [15:17:01] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: by preview, do you mean the small video on mythfrontend or the still picture in mythweb? |
| [15:17:34] | Finswimmer: | Huijari: the small vide |
| [15:17:35] | Finswimmer: | o |
| [15:18:49] | Finswimmer: | I only have a WLAN connections. but since LiveTV is working, a recorded show should also work, right? |
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| [15:19:15] | Huijari: | yeah, i can watch my recordings over wlan |
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| [15:20:04] | Huijari: | does it give you an error, does the screen stay black or does it put you back to the recordings menu? |
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| [15:20:29] | Finswimmer: | stay black for 3–4secs then go back |
| [15:20:53] | Finswimmer: | I set to "always stream recordings" which leads me to: 2008-12–10 16:17:40.392 RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '//'. |
| [15:21:11] | Finswimmer: | uh. no. not that: 2008-12–10 16:20:14.390 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.1.5:6543/ |
| [15:21:17] | Finswimmer: | this one. |
| [15:21:40] | Finswimmer: | "Invalid file" is w/o this option |
| [15:21:50] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_m . . . gallery6.png |
| [15:23:04] | iamlindoro: | Oh yay, youtube has changed their link format entirely. /me wonders whose plugin this is again... |
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| [15:24:24] | gbee: | hmm, I have an idea |
| [15:24:27] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: what does `nmap -sT <backend ip> | grep mythtv` on the frontend machine show? |
| [15:24:42] | gregL: | gbee: nice job... |
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| [15:25:55] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: and does it differ from `nmap -sT localhost` on the backend machine? |
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| [15:28:17] | rsdvd: | hello all.....can someone help me with a remote control problem I have with MythDora 4.0......I have the lircd workin fine....irw shows the keypresses......but Myth does not see the, |
| [15:28:21] | Finswimmer: | Huijari: just installing it. |
| [15:29:27] | Finswimmer: | Huijari: backend: 6543/tcp open mythtv |
| [15:29:28] | Finswimmer: | 6544/tcp open mythtv |
| [15:29:40] | Finswimmer: | frontend:6543/tcp open mythtv |
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| [15:31:00] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: ok, i guess that then you _don't_ have 127.0.0.1 in mythtv-setup -> general setup -> local backend ip address? |
| [15:31:08] | Huijari: | (you shouldn't) |
| [15:32:34] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: and while you're in mythtv-setup, check that your default group in storage groups is ok |
| [15:32:39] | Finswimmer: | in both entrys it is: 192.168.1.5 |
| [15:32:52] | Huijari: | ok, that's correct |
| [15:33:13] | Finswimmer: | Huijari: mythtv is working fine. local. but the frontend over wlan does not work |
| [15:37:27] | Huijari: | hmmh |
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| [15:39:54] | Huijari: | Finswimmer: what about telnet 192.168.1.5 6543 from the frontend machine? |
| [15:40:48] | Finswimmer: | $telnet 192.168.1.5 6543 |
| [15:40:49] | Finswimmer: | Trying 192.168.1.5... |
| [15:40:51] | Finswimmer: | Connected to 192.168.1.5. |
| [15:40:53] | Finswimmer: | Escape character is '^]'. |
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| [15:42:02] | Huijari: | ok, no firewall issues... |
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| [16:06:03] | Finswimmer: | no one any new ideas on my problem? |
| [16:07:18] | gbee: | heh, never seen that before, bash just crashed |
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| [16:08:05] | Finswimmer: | *tilt* why does it work with my laptop?! |
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| [16:12:03] | Finswimmer: | can OpenGL be the issue? |
| [16:20:46] | at0m|c: | Finswimmer, mythfrontend -r resets some stuff, like it turns off opengl for myth |
| [16:20:53] | gbee: | Finswimmer: recordings aren't playing? |
| [16:21:06] | gbee: | post some frontend logs |
| [16:21:06] | at0m|c: | but the frontend opens? |
| [16:21:31] | Finswimmer: | at0m|c: now I end up with: DisplaResX: Unable to XRRgetScreenInfo |
| [16:22:41] | Finswimmer: | http://rafb.net/p/zC79NS89.html |
| [16:22:52] | Finswimmer: | at0m|c: the error went away after second start. |
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| [16:39:11] | RDV_Linux: | I would like to thank the integrators of vdpau with mythtv. I am most impressed with the superior functionality of Mythtv's playback versus the patched mplayer and done in such a short time. |
| [16:39:27] | RDV_Linux: | Both my HD-PVR MPG recordings and the MKV lossless edits of those recording play well. I look forward to continued improvements in the driver by nVidia and it's integration with Mythtv. |
| [16:48:14] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, it works very well so far. I could see me switching to it fulltime in the next driver release |
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| [16:49:56] | clever: | the nvidia thing? |
| [16:50:02] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:50:06] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [16:50:25] | GreyFoxx: | The output is really nice |
| [16:50:29] | clever: | does it work along side things like compix? |
| [16:50:33] | clever: | compiz* |
| [16:50:38] | GreyFoxx: | No idea, I don't use that stuff |
| [16:50:44] | clever: | kk |
| [16:51:04] | clever: | my quadro card could use Xv as a 3d texture |
| [16:51:06] | RDV_Linux: | GreyFoxx: Have you tracked your GPU temperature difference when VDPAU is being used. Overtime mine goes up between 5–7C. As would be expected there is no change when not using VDPAU. |
| [16:51:13] | clever: | which let the effects bend the video |
| [16:51:40] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not too concerned about the cpu usage really since I have more than enough CPU, but the visual quality to me is superior to xv+software decode on the majority of what I've watched in it |
| [16:51:42] | RDV_Linux: | Clever: I am using compiz-fusion and have not noticed any negative impact with the beta drivers. |
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| [16:51:56] | GreyFoxx: | RDV_Linux: Actually no I haven't |
| [16:52:15] | clever: | RDV_Linux: neat, i'll have to give it a try again later today when i get the quadro back |
| [16:53:44] | GreyFoxx: | Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (bork:0.0): 56. |
| [16:53:46] | RDV_Linux: | Be warned I have only been using the beta driver for 12 hours and mythtv with vdpau for a few hours. Have a back out plan. Also I did not say things are perfect just progressing nicely. |
| [16:53:55] | GreyFoxx: | I should start dumping that into catci for each of the cards heh |
| [16:53:56] | clever: | lol |
| [16:54:05] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [16:54:10] | sid3windr: | how do you get to the temp GreyFoxx ? |
| [16:54:24] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i had added a custom thing to snmp and cacti, but it broke recently |
| [16:54:31] | clever: | GreyFoxx: got any tips on fixing it |
| [16:54:33] | GreyFoxx: | DISPLAY=:0 nvidia-settings -q=GPUCoreTemp |
| [16:54:38] | sid3windr: | aha, thanks |
| [16:54:48] | fuxxy: | How would I edit the title, etc metadata for files reintroduced to mythtv using myth.rebuilddatabase.pl? |
| [16:55:17] | fuxxy: | The files have already been reintroduced. |
| [16:55:20] | GreyFoxx: | I think those can be done via the Watch recordings screen |
| [16:55:31] | clever: | only the title/subtitle |
| [16:55:32] | GreyFoxx: | Under I(info) |
| [16:55:33] | fuxxy: | Is there an option using mythweb? |
| [16:55:41] | clever: | enless its been changed alot recently |
| [16:55:50] | GreyFoxx: | clever: Not really :/ |
| [16:56:09] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i had to use direct mysql access to fix the originalairdate field |
| [16:56:36] | clever: | sh conntrack /bin/cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_count |
| [16:56:51] | clever: | GreyFoxx: thats in my snmp.conf and i beleive the snmp side of things is working |
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| [16:58:28] | GreyFoxx: | That reminds me, I haven't logged into cacti in like 2 months |
| [16:58:34] | ** GreyFoxx goes to verify it's still working :) ** | |
| [16:58:42] | clever: | my graph is just flatlining |
| [16:59:51] | clever: | nan |
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| [17:01:17] | GreyFoxx: | yay, it's still running. Fun |
| [17:03:30] | clever: | GreyFoxx: how would i fix the nan in my cacti? |
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| [17:03:50] | GreyFoxx: | via google :) |
| [17:03:53] | clever: | lol |
| [17:04:19] | GreyFoxx: | the googlecyclopedia has all kinds of sugary treats |
| [17:04:20] | sid3windr: | nan is indian bread |
| [17:04:34] | sid3windr: | my wife wuvs it. please send me your NaN |
| [17:04:35] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [17:04:38] | clever: | not a number:P |
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| [17:05:07] | iamlindoro_: | That would be "naan" |
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| [17:05:29] | gbee: | unless you want my grandmother |
| [17:06:56] | clever: | there, poller errors are being logged |
| [17:07:01] | clever: | now to wait for a pollng |
| [17:08:32] | iamlindoro_: | It is too cold in this office to work |
| [17:08:44] | iamlindoro_: | 52 F |
| [17:08:48] | clever: | its cold in this hotel room too:P |
| [17:08:51] | clever: | ~20 c |
| [17:08:56] | clever: | 22 i think |
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| [17:09:17] | iamlindoro_: | Pfft, 22 = 71 |
| [17:09:36] | iamlindoro_: | 52 = 11 |
| [17:09:40] | clever: | lol |
| [17:09:45] | iamlindoro_: | that is to say, 52f = 11C |
| [17:10:04] | clever: | yeah its colder there |
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| [17:36:59] | iamlindoro_: | Now with exactly 0% more video accel! |
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| [17:37:27] | kkuno: | -.- |
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| [17:38:12] | gbee: | "To much dismay, Advanced Micro Devices will not be introducing their new Linux video API, X-Video Bitstream Acceleration, in this release. The XvBA and XvMC libraries are still shipping with the driver, but the XvBA support is no good without patches that add support to media players for this API or until AMD provides the needed documentation." |
| [17:38:43] | Dibblah: | No, no no it's not vaporware. Not at all. |
| [17:39:34] | ** iamlindoro_ considers adding a debug message to mythtube advertising "Myth Fellatio plugin enabled." ** | |
| [17:39:54] | Dibblah: | I assume that noone would agree that a good reason to move to a filesystem is due to it's fsck time? |
| [17:40:09] | gbee: | of course it's not vapourware, why would they bother to add libraries to the driver for something that is never intended to be used? |
| [17:40:30] | Dibblah: | I just accidentally removed a PCIe SATA card... :( |
| [17:40:55] | Dibblah: | And ext4 is _really_ nice and fast fsck wise, as compared to ext2 :) |
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| [17:42:35] | gbee: | AMD have never officially announced XvBA, that was done by users poking through the driver files, it's user's speculating that has brought us to the point where people feel AMD are letting them down ... because they haven't released something they never promised to release, nevermind setting a date for release |
| [17:42:52] | high-rez: | In another announcement AMD/ATi has said that in a friendly bit of cooperation, they have sent their lunch to nVidia. It's only been speculated that ATi intends for it to be eaten. |
| [17:43:01] | Dibblah: | Heh. Whereas NV just got £150 of my money. |
| [17:43:37] | gbee: | £150? ouch |
| [17:43:37] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [17:43:43] | Dibblah: | Well, slightly less due to retailers, but nonetheless – I bought cards that I would not have bought before the VDPAU announcement. |
| [17:43:54] | Dibblah: | One £40 / one slightly more :) |
| [17:44:02] | high-rez: | nVidia got $20 of my money. I'm sure evga and frys ate the other $40 of the purchase price. |
| [17:45:12] | meshe: | I haven't bought anything other than Nvidia for graphics cards in the last 10 years (unless something else was embedded in a laptop) |
| [17:45:13] | kkuno: | brb |
| [17:45:16] | kkuno: | trying new drivers |
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| [17:45:49] | high-rez: | When nvidia released the failure that was the 5 series, I bought from ATi (when the 9700 pro and 9800 pro were king). |
| [17:46:06] | gbee: | if Ford released a new model and someone stripped it down and found a mounting bracket which sorta suggests that they might release a model in the future with a cannon, is it reasonable that buyers get angry when each new model which is released is lacking heavy artillery? |
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| [17:46:55] | Dibblah: | Hell, yes! Road courtesy would abound! |
| [17:46:59] | high-rez: | I was considering only going with intel graphics when they started claiming they were big fans of opensource, but given the rather craptastic release rates from them, I don't see them as being any better as anyone else. |
| [17:47:18] | Dibblah: | high-rez: Once every 3 months is not good for you? |
| [17:48:08] | high-rez: | Dibblah: No, I should rephrase. The rates are fine, the additional features arelacking. Didn't they introduce their new videl accel API forever ago? Where are the drivers supporting it ? |
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| [17:48:37] | Chutt: | gbee, they could easily only be intending the xvba stuff to be used only by their paying customers (ie, embedded stuff) |
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| [17:48:42] | Dibblah: | high-rez: No, they didn't. |
| [17:48:55] | Dibblah: | status is http://virtuousgeek.org/blog/index.php/jbarnes |
| [17:49:28] | Dibblah: | I wouldn't expect drivers to be that monolithic? |
| [17:49:50] | high-rez: | I also read that they didn't plan to release some of the video accel stuff open source because it could hurt their hdcp compliance or something. I could be totally wrong on all of this. |
| [17:49:51] | Dibblah: | ie the embedded drivers would surely tend to be ARM*... etc. |
| [17:50:32] | Dibblah: | high-rez: Nothing to do with video accel. |
| [17:51:04] | Dibblah: | There's one blob (that's never been shipped with the intel driver) that twiddles Macrovision stuff. |
| [17:51:40] | high-rez: | Dibblah: Well, all will be forgiven with intel if I see vaapi support in a near future release. Until then, they're in the same boat as amd. |
| [17:51:41] | Dibblah: | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=115536806403908&w=2 |
| [17:51:58] | gbee: | Chutt: possible I suppose, although all their customers are paying customers ;) |
| [17:52:20] | Chutt: | gbee, big difference between a corporate client and an enduser |
| [17:52:50] | meshe: | how is it that hardware manufacturers have non-paying customers? |
| [17:52:52] | Dibblah: | high-rez: AFAIK, it'll be a while. And only newer cards. |
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| [17:52:59] | Chutt: | though, i'd assume they're just including it for the xvmc wrapper for now |
| [17:53:03] | Dibblah: | (>X3500, AFAIK) |
| [17:53:12] | Chutt: | though i didn't see any reports of xvmc working, either.. |
| [17:53:39] | Dibblah: | Two conversations is confusing my brain. xvmc works for Intel :) |
| [17:54:18] | high-rez: | Dibblah: Hey, when I see vaapi support, and if it's all opensource, intel will be far > than nvidia in my opinion. |
| [17:54:53] | Dibblah: | Sure. But that's a while away – And they don't sell graphics cards. |
| [17:55:20] | gbee: | Chutt: right now it seems more likely that the delay, if you can call it that, is a result of their driver team structuring, in the past they've added the bedrock for new features and then nothing has seemed to happen |
| [17:55:22] | janneg: | Chutt: xvmc works with the new ATI driver |
| [17:55:44] | Chutt: | janneg, ah, ok |
| [17:55:49] | Chutt: | that's cool |
| [17:56:21] | gbee: | when asked why, they explained that they have three teams working with 3 month deadlines – so a team might commit work to the driver in one cycle and complete it three months later in the next window |
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| [17:56:30] | janneg: | not sure if it uses the libXvBA |
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| [17:57:41] | janneg: | and since libXvBA was first shipped with october driver I didn't expect anything new before the january update |
| [17:57:50] | meshe: | timeboxing |
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| [17:59:20] | kkuno: | failed |
| [18:00:18] | clever: | GreyFoxx: still there? |
| [18:02:38] | high-rez: | Dibblah: Sure, but they do compete with integrated graphics offerings from nvidia (which do offer hardware accel for h264). Granted I can't just go out and buy an intel video card, but that certainly will sway my next motherboard purchase (which ahs the best integrated graphics for myth+hdmi). |
| [18:04:14] | high-rez: | If they make a full opensource offering, even if it uses slightly more cpu power, I'll go with intel. But right now, they lack in that area completely (and thus are in the same boat as ATi in my opninion). |
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| [18:05:04] | Dibblah: | Not completely – They do have a driver that decelerates mpeg2 decoding... |
| [18:05:10] | Dibblah: | (xvmc) |
| [18:05:57] | high-rez: | Aha, but I require h264. :) I can use xvmc on my nvidia 5200 agp card (and it works and looks great). |
| [18:06:10] | iamlindoro_: | okay regex gurus... I have $htmloutput =~ m/\"t\": \"(.*)/g; which matches everything on the line after "t": " and I want it to match UNTIL the next quotation mark. What do I replace the (.*) with? |
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| [18:06:55] | high-rez: | I'm rusty but I think .$ ? |
| [18:07:18] | iamlindoro_: | That won't work, no. I nee to specify to stop matching ath the next \" |
| [18:07:23] | iamlindoro_: | er at the |
| [18:07:44] | Dibblah: | Just add \" before the / |
| [18:07:49] | Dibblah: | /g |
| [18:08:17] | high-rez: | Man, perl regex is ugly. :) |
| [18:08:21] | Dibblah: | And... processing HTML with regex is bad form. |
| [18:08:55] | Dibblah: | You're better off with a proper parser that will get the corner cases. |
| [18:09:10] | Dibblah: | Which are very easy to miss in a DIY implementation. |
| [18:09:19] | ** high-rez senses a use lib coming to mythweb ** | |
| [18:09:28] | iamlindoro_: | \"/g does not work. |
| [18:10:35] | Dibblah: | ... Since mythweb is PHP, I would doubt it. |
| [18:10:36] | janneg: | ([^\"]).* |
| [18:11:04] | justinh: | high-rez: all regex is ugly :) |
| [18:11:36] | Dibblah: | s/(.)(.)/\2\1/ |
| [18:11:46] | Dibblah: | Where else can I write boobies at work? |
| [18:12:58] | Dibblah: | (non-functional regex for entertainment purposes only, no other uses implied) |
| [18:13:00] | high-rez: | justinh: Indeed. I know you can do some amazing stuff with it, in a single line. But I usually split on keys, or just parse byte by byte. |
| [18:13:12] | dustybin: | when you compile something yourself, once its finished, does your body freeze, and your eyes do lots of loops looking for the word 'error' ? |
| [18:13:46] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: That also is not working. |
| [18:16:20] | meshe: | m/\"t\":\"([^"]+)"/g |
| [18:16:46] | meshe: | you shouldn't need to escape " |
| [18:17:00] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: That did the trick, thanks much :) |
| [18:17:21] | meshe: | no problem, perl is my career |
| [18:18:13] | iamlindoro_: | Stupid youtube, you can't parse the redirects any more for the download link, need to parse the page source itself |
| [18:18:15] | iamlindoro_: | blah |
| [18:18:43] | AndyCap: | youtube-dl ftw |
| [18:18:46] | meshe: | did they change to meta refreshes? |
| [18:18:58] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Tried it lately? |
| [18:19:17] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I'm not doing it from the command line, this needs to be a particular output format |
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| [18:21:44] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: workes for me. though it's python so I guess it'll be hard to cut and paste into perl. |
| [18:22:23] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Ah, looks like there's an 11-01–08 update? Any chance you're running that one? It'd be after the changes if so |
| [18:23:01] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: possibly, I only update when it doesn't work. |
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| [18:31:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: At least the youtube TOS allows scraping the web page to get info as long as you don't send requests faster than a human could ( http://www.youtube.com/t/terms in section 4.H.). Though, looking at section 5, paras A and B, I'm hoping MythTube doesn't violate those terms. |
| [18:32:16] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Well A minimally would be up to the behavior of the user |
| [18:32:36] | iamlindoro_: | We seem pretty well in line with B |
| [18:33:45] | iamlindoro_: | Downloads are currently cached but don't go to mythvideo or anything |
| [18:35:04] | sphery: | Cool. I thought someone had mentioned an option to download and keep videos/metadata, so I was worried. The caching--though probably technically a violation--probably isn't too bad. |
| [18:35:26] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I think I've got the youtube module fixed, but I can't verify until I get home |
| [18:35:28] | Wagner: | it doesnt take long for a human to middle click on a dozen links |
| [18:35:42] | sphery: | Wagner: greed. :) |
| [18:35:45] | sphery: | A |
| [18:35:59] | sphery: | (stupid keyboard) |
| [18:36:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: This may well end up in the grey area of "myth doesn't facilitate it but doesn't do anything to throw roadblocks in the way" a la libdvdcss |
| [18:36:48] | iamlindoro_: | ie "you can go into the cache dir and copy the stuff out if you want, but we're not gonna help you do it" |
| [18:36:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: now you just have to get gbee to finish up the HTML widget (or did Paul already do that) so users can browse the Apple trailers website (and see more than just the current trailers on the RSS feed) |
| [18:37:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Yeah, I'm not concerned about people violating terms, just the code we put out. |
| [18:37:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Ah, didn't know one was on the way-- then then *real* trick is let's make Qt 4.5 a prerequisite so that I can build a Hulu module |
| [18:37:59] | kormoc: | It only Hulu meta data could do in the oldrecording table... |
| [18:38:04] | Wagner: | you know, i wonder what is more expensive for google |
| [18:38:11] | Wagner: | generating the pages, or sending all the images |
| [18:38:46] | gbee: | the web browsing widget is working, not sure that it's finished won't need additional attention |
| [18:38:59] | kormoc: | images? they should be fairly heavily cached |
| [18:39:15] | Wagner: | i mean all the thumbnails to the videos |
| [18:39:22] | sphery: | The current plan is Qt4.3 minimum with Qt4.4 for HTML support, but it may just be changed to Qt4.4 minimum. I'm sure that if you tell people, "Hulu works with Qt4.5", they'll figure out how to get 4.5 on their systems (after a few rounds of complaining about how it's "too new for Debian Lenny"). |
| [18:39:31] | Wagner: | they may be cached on google's end, but not on your local end |
| [18:39:49] | Wagner: | basically, my question is... is it the bandwidth or cpu time |
| [18:39:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It just doesn't make sense (and I'm the first to admit) until most/all distros have 4.5 packages |
| [18:40:09] | kormoc: | Wagner, image search or normal search? |
| [18:40:20] | Wagner: | youtube search |
| [18:40:42] | sphery: | Yeah, but I have a feeling Axel and the MythBuntu guys would make packages of Qt4.5 if someone got Hulu working with it. |
| [18:40:59] | Wagner: | the images being the thumbnails when you load a page in youtube |
| [18:41:30] | sphery: | gbee / iamlindoro_ : I guess MythBrowser would be the place to look for sample usage of the HTML widget? |
| [18:41:32] | gbee: | sorry, where does 4.5 come from? |
| [18:41:57] | laga: | sphery: personally, i wouldn't make Qt 4.5 packages. not sure about the other guys. |
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| [18:42:05] | sphery: | It's still in dev, but rumor has it, it will support Mozilla plugins (like Flash) |
| [18:42:06] | gbee: | sphery: I'd guess so I haven't really looked at the widget yet, fear I might have to make changes if I do |
| [18:42:09] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Qt 4.5 allows you to use mozilla plugins |
| [18:42:18] | sphery: | gbee: :) |
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| [18:42:25] | gbee: | ahh, ok |
| [18:42:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: are there actually testimonials of Flash working with current dev code for 4.5? |
| [18:43:31] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I read Trolltech articles saying as much, I honestly ahven't looked any further |
| [18:43:56] | ** sphery just doesn't get Qt for Java... ** | |
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| [18:44:47] | gbee: | hmm, + Flash 10 and 64bit goodness |
| [18:45:07] | gbee: | chewy |
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| [18:45:25] | sphery: | gbee: that would be Flash 10 and 64-bit slowness :) |
| [18:45:35] | iamlindoro_: | W. the flash 10 beta and my 64 bit system, the system locks up when I have four or so tabs of Youpor^H^H^H^H^H^H .... Youtube open |
| [18:45:45] | gbee: | of course it won't be very remote friendly – doh |
| [18:45:49] | iamlindoro_: | well, not locks up, but grinds to a near-halt |
| [18:46:13] | iamlindoro_: | So, figured out (I Think) how to get at the new youtube 720p videos |
| [18:46:30] | sphery: | yeah, my Athlon X2 6000+ couldn't do full-screen Hulu video playback with Flash 10 beta x86_64 |
| [18:46:48] | sphery: | 720p? |
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| [18:47:31] | sphery: | is that one of those, "people don't realize the interdependencies of bitrate and resolution, so get the resolution and they'll think they have something great even though quality is horrid" things? |
| [18:48:00] | Wagner: | i knew there were widescreen, but not 720p |
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| [18:49:13] | justinh: | gbee: I'll all ready & psyched up to tackle recordings-ui.xml tonight :) |
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| [18:49:46] | justinh: | this might make me rethink video-ui.xml somewhat too |
| [18:49:47] | gbee: | cool, couple of list wrapping bugs which I'm working on now, just so you know |
| [18:49:54] | justinh: | okees no worries |
| [18:50:15] | justinh: | like with all the pressies I bought today, wrapping can wait :P |
| [18:50:29] | gbee: | and ~3 missing popups, group password changer etc |
| [18:50:43] | gbee: | well this is wrapping ... of a sort |
| [18:50:53] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: h.264, 720p, more or less a huluish bitrate |
| [18:51:32] | sphery: | Is hulu actually doing that high a resolution on their high-res? I thought it was more of a 720x480 kind of DVD-quality thing... |
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| [18:51:56] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I think they/ABC/etc. are in the 1–2 Mbit range |
| [18:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | There's not a lot on Youtube in 720p yet, though, and if you set it and there's no 720p, it falls back to the low res flash version, bypassing the nice h.264 version... so it's a tough call |
| [18:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | Always get a nice, probably low res h.264 copy, or take the chance that there's a 720p version? |
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| [18:53:18] | iamlindoro_: | and potentially get the low bitrate low res version |
| [18:53:22] | sphery: | That's still less than 1/8 the bitrate of my low-bitrate OTA 720p (which is about 4GB/hr min). Of course, my OTA is MPEG-2, but H.264 should only be able to handle about half the bitrate to get the same quality. |
| [18:53:34] | gbee: | I think I remember reading about flash wanting to use hardware acceleration if available, e.g. VDPAU/XvBA |
| [18:53:38] | Wagner: | well, you can always scan the bitrate of the first couple seconds, and if it falls below a set minimum, you cut to the medium quality |
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| [18:53:47] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It's decent, but not great |
| [18:53:47] | gbee: | s/flash/adobe/ |
| [18:54:13] | sphery: | gbee: that would be cool |
| [18:54:28] | sphery: | gbee: btw, http://trolltech.com/about/news/qt-4.5-tech-preview-released |
| [18:54:40] | sphery: | seems it not even yet in alpha or beta :) |
| [18:55:46] | sphery: | saying early Q1 2009 scheduled release (I'll interpret that to mean calendar-based quarters, rather than the not-worth-looking-up business quarters used by trolltech or nokia) |
| [18:57:35] | Dagmar: | Hey at least their quarters still involve the same months (and number of them) that they're supposed to. |
| [18:58:15] | Dagmar: | ....unlike all the "quarters" other companies seem to use lately, which may or may not include income from previous and/or future "quarters" or the entire year. |
| [18:58:37] | gbee: | justinh: downside of a wall of images is that if you've only got one or two, it looks a little rubbish with the same image repeated across the screen |
| [19:01:52] | xris: | anyone know if a cable amp might work only for analog frequencies? friend of mine was told by workers at frys that their cable amps don't affect the hd qam frequencies. |
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| [19:02:12] | Wagner: | cable and qam frequencies are the same thing |
| [19:02:36] | Wagner: | analog usually uses 2–77, digital usually uses 78–125 |
| [19:03:54] | Wagner: | a cable amp will work just fine, but note that a cable amp will probably kill your cable modem and STBs |
| [19:04:46] | Wagner: | unless you get a bidirectional amp, it attenuates upstream signals |
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| [19:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Looked at the python downloader, looks like they were somewhat change-proof as they've always been downloading and parsing the whole playback page. It's a tiny bit less efficient, but insulated them from the latest change. I'm somewhat validated to find that my new approach matches theirs fairly exactly :) |
| [19:17:36] | AndyCap: | :) |
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| [19:29:44] | Dibblah: | Hmm. I broke my MythTV :( |
| [19:30:17] | Dibblah: | ... Now I need to figure out what changes I need to make to blootube-wide to make it trunk compliant. |
| [19:30:23] | meshe: | awww, that's just a myth |
| [19:30:40] | Dibblah: | do to bt-w, even. |
| [19:32:03] | justinh: | Dibblah: rm -rf blootube-wide |
| [19:32:47] | justinh: | anyway there aren't many screens that aren't trunk compliant yet. menus should work & crap |
| [19:33:10] | justinh: | video-ui.xml is a biggie though |
| [19:33:26] | iamlindoro_: | A sort of amusing behavior with it where if you back out to the "do you really want to exit" screen and choose no, it'll grind the system to a stop |
| [19:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | at least, on mine it does w/ BT-W |
| [19:34:05] | gbee: | rest can be fixed in the short term by removing the -ui.xml files for those screens |
| [19:34:41] | justinh: | or just rename em first |
| [19:35:04] | justinh: | thing is though – do you want it to look as crap as it did before or new & improved? ;) |
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| [19:36:49] | gbee: | I've already decided not to do anything special with metallurgy, going to keep most of it as it is in 0.21 |
| [19:37:28] | gbee: | and then focus my energy on a new theme |
| [19:37:48] | justinh: | my sentiments exactly |
| [19:38:00] | gbee: | assuming I have any energy left by that point |
| [19:38:18] | justinh: | wonder what could be achieved with a group effort |
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| [19:39:03] | gbee: | hmm, nice idea if it could be pulled off |
| [19:39:09] | justinh: | I'm going to be much more careful this time around. Don't want anymore burnout |
| [19:39:46] | justinh: | so er.. one versus six+ should just about take care of that :) |
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| [19:40:44] | gbee: | not that any of your themes were bad |
| [19:41:04] | gbee: | the world can live without three versions of blootube though ... :) |
| [19:41:08] | justinh: | they weren't, but they all lacked 'something' |
| [19:41:53] | justinh: | glass-wide has had more use at home than anything else I've ever done & yet is probably the least widespread of them all |
| [19:43:10] | justinh: | one thing they all have in common bar glass-wide.. they were _rushed_ |
| [19:45:59] | justinh: | eew. I think I need to copy the preview images over to my laptop, or mount the backend's recording dir |
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| [19:46:48] | gbee: | justinh: copy them to .mythtv/remotecache/ but that's pretty much what it's doing anyway |
| [19:47:06] | justinh: | might be cool to mount the NFS share readonly |
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| [19:56:11] | kormoc: | hahaha |
| [19:56:23] | kormoc: | "I would like to learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there anything I need to do?" |
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| [19:56:34] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [19:57:51] | laga: | heh.. you guys are laughing... |
| [19:58:19] | clever: | i deal with similar problems all the time |
| [19:58:44] | justinh: | we have to put up with the ramblings of kids who rarely shower |
| [19:59:06] | clever: | hey, i showered yesterday! |
| [19:59:17] | laga: | clever: like what? "i would like to "set my UPS on fire". is there anything i need to do?" |
| [19:59:26] | justinh: | rotfl |
| [19:59:29] | dkeith: | once a week, wether they need it or not :-) |
| [20:00:07] | laga: | this weeks' resolution is that i want to shave every morning. tht's going to be hard |
| [20:01:39] | justinh: | laga: finding girls who need that area shaved every day is tricky |
| [20:01:44] | jduggan: | i shave once per week |
| [20:01:47] | justinh: | need/want |
| [20:01:52] | jduggan: | unless i have a reason otherwise |
| [20:01:55] | Dagmar: | s/tricky/scary/; |
| [20:01:56] | jduggan: | like some meeting |
| [20:02:02] | laga: | justinh: oh, gtfo. i was talking about my face ;) |
| [20:02:11] | Wagner: | ive got a pretty good beard going if i dont shave for a week |
| [20:02:21] | Dagmar: | I just shave while I'm in the shower. Much simpler, although the sideburns can't be dealt with there |
| [20:02:34] | justinh: | without beard, how can you be revered in the communitae?! |
| [20:02:34] | jduggan: | uhg |
| [20:02:40] | laga: | Dagmar: that'd result in bleeding for me. it's some kind of ritual for me |
| [20:02:46] | jduggan: | how the hell do you shave in the shower |
| [20:02:47] | Dagmar: | Needless to say, I don't use an electric razor |
| [20:02:52] | jduggan: | a mirror would steam up |
| [20:02:58] | jduggan: | and you cant see where you've missed |
| [20:02:59] | jduggan: | :o |
| [20:03:05] | Dagmar: | I can *feel* where I missed. |
| [20:03:08] | justinh: | not with Amway(tm) Mir-cleer |
| [20:03:18] | Dagmar: | ...and chicks can definitely feel when you miss, so that's a better metric |
| [20:03:25] | laga: | Dagmar: warm blood puring all over your hands? |
| [20:03:32] | laga: | s/puring7pouring/ |
| [20:03:33] | jduggan: | lol |
| [20:03:49] | justinh: | hrm. dunno what I'm gonna do with this screen |
| [20:03:57] | Dagmar: | laga: You're supposed to use the razor to make long, vertical strokes perpendicular to the edge of the blade |
| [20:04:05] | Dagmar: | If you do them parallel to the blade, you're doing it wrong. |
| [20:04:20] | Wagner: | depends on what youre trying to do |
| [20:04:32] | Dagmar: | "not bleed to death" works for me |
| [20:04:38] | Wagner: | down the street, not across the tracks |
| [20:04:45] | justinh: | ROFLMAO @ Bush.. "welcome to my hanging" |
| [20:04:54] | Dagmar: | You also will be much less likely to cut yourself if you don't use the blade like a piece of sandpaper |
| [20:05:19] | justinh: | meanwhile, back in #shaving |
| [20:05:31] | Dagmar: | Let the *edge* do the work instead of trying to use it like a squeegee and you aren't nearly as likely to cut yourself. |
| [20:05:33] | laga: | justinh: well, ##politics? :) |
| [20:05:48] | Dagmar: | justinh: If you want these people to be able to breed, they have to be able to attract the opposite sex. |
| [20:06:06] | Dagmar: | ....which they're not going to be able to do if they look like they've got facial mange. |
| [20:06:13] | tjcarter: | justinh: don't misundrestimate the man. It takes balls to be that stupid and try to run my entire country. |
| [20:06:17] | laga: | Dagmar: do we want people in here to breed? |
| [20:06:28] | Wagner: | on a completely different topic, i was flipping through the channels yesterday, and came across SpikeTV and Mansers |
| [20:06:36] | Dagmar: | laga: Better the regulars than the "my remote doesn't werk" people |
| [20:06:39] | Wagner: | they were doing the 5 most deadly cute animals |
| [20:06:53] | justinh: | Dagmar: I dunno which I'd prefer to be honest. linux savvy, or people who are otherwise gifted |
| [20:06:54] | Wagner: | apparently dolphins have been known to rape divers |
| [20:07:20] | Dagmar: | They were asking for it |
| [20:07:26] | tjcarter: | justinh: not to mention to start two wars (one of which actually made sense) and manage to do a fairly good job of trying to lose both. |
| [20:07:31] | dustybin: | i prefer linux savvy |
| [20:07:37] | justinh: | Wagner: serves em right, wearing those sexy skintight outfits |
| [20:07:47] | Dagmar: | justinh: Exactly what I was thinking |
| [20:07:54] | justinh: | dustybin: but you never go outside |
| [20:08:12] | dustybin: | i did, today i went to the gym, was quite shocked with myself |
| [20:08:20] | justinh: | what's a gym? |
| [20:08:24] | dustybin: | heh |
| [20:08:37] | Dagmar: | It's a place where people go to lift heavy things because they've run out of places to move the TV |
| [20:08:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | last time I went to a gym I was in High School... |
| [20:08:50] | justinh: | (pronounced GHIME) |
| [20:08:51] | laga: | dustybin: how was it? |
| [20:09:19] | dustybin: | laga: was ok, boring at first, then i started to dream about stuff and didnt realise i was exercising |
| [20:09:45] | Wagner: | sadly, it was an all male ghime you were dreaming in |
| [20:09:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | dustybin: You were on the rowing machine, weren't you? ;-) |
| [20:09:59] | laga: | justinh: i still don't know how you'd pronounce that. get yourself some IPA.. maybe /É¡aim/? |
| [20:10:00] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A|work: running / walking machine for most of it |
| [20:10:03] | laga: | (my IPA sucks) |
| [20:10:08] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Sauna |
| [20:10:16] | iamlindoro_: | Checking out dudes |
| [20:10:26] | justinh: | laga: heh, easy to forget you don't have words with a silent letter 'h' |
| [20:10:35] | dustybin: | i thought i better go to the gym before deep vein thrombosis sets in |
| [20:10:46] | Dagmar: | "jim" |
| [20:10:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: omg that was funny! ;-) |
| [20:10:55] | laga: | justinh: we do. but keep in mind that "ghoti" might be pronounced like "fish". i think chomsky came up with that. |
| [20:11:04] | justinh: | who? |
| [20:11:12] | laga: | justinh: noam chomsky. |
| [20:11:17] | justinh: | is he another of those crazy theme guys? |
| [20:11:39] | dkeith: | famous linguist |
| [20:11:49] | justinh: | not that famous, apparently |
| [20:11:50] | laga: | and famous anacrhist (or something like thaT) |
| [20:11:52] | iamlindoro_: | and philosopher |
| [20:12:09] | laga: | justinh: chomsky is one of the most famous linguists. |
| [20:12:19] | dkeith: | famous among linguists, anarchists and philosophers |
| [20:12:39] | justinh: | I went to a British comprehensive school in the North of England.. so therefore... |
| [20:12:48] | Wagner: | yeah, those linguists and anarchists, nasty bunch |
| [20:12:53] | laga: | Wagner: haha |
| [20:13:17] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, cunninglinguists |
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| [20:13:44] | gbee: | took the sounds from a bunch of words with unusual pronounciations and pieced together an alternate spelling for Fish ... but I'm damned if I can remember them |
| [20:13:45] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [20:13:53] | laga: | gbee: ghoti. |
| [20:13:57] | Dagmar: | It's not linguistics, it's *logic* that Chomsky is a master. |
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| [20:14:04] | Dagmar: | er master of. |
| [20:14:05] | justinh: | whatever |
| [20:14:13] | gbee: | laga: no I mean the words from which those letters were derived |
| [20:14:29] | laga: | gbee: gh from "enough", o from "women", "ti" from.. dunno. |
| [20:14:35] | laga: | "position"? |
| [20:14:39] | gbee: | "fi" as in "cough" etc |
| [20:14:49] | justinh: | I thought ghoti was a style of beard popular with beatniks |
| [20:14:50] | gbee: | station |
| [20:14:53] | Wagner: | 'ti' from any worth with 'tion' |
| [20:15:06] | Wagner: | s/worth/word/ |
| [20:15:08] | Dagmar: | 'Manufacturing Consent' was a really good book |
| [20:15:09] | gbee: | guess I just wasn't even trying |
| [20:15:13] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Or a new yourk mobster |
| [20:15:16] | iamlindoro_: | er york |
| [20:15:21] | justinh: | yoik |
| [20:15:25] | justinh: | it's noo yoik |
| [20:15:30] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: onomatopoeia |
| [20:15:36] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [20:15:50] | ** justinh goes to walk the dawg ** | |
| [20:16:05] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders if a youporn downloader for mythtube would make trunk ;) ** | |
| [20:16:11] | laga: | gbee: according to de.wikipedia, it was George Bernard Shaw |
| [20:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | if, indeed, mythtube ever does |
| [20:16:59] | gbee: | laga: heh, yeah I couldn't have told you who it was, it's been too long since I was at school |
| [20:17:13] | whodat: | iamlindoro: whats your take on a monolith box |
| [20:17:26] | gbee: | and I'm not known for reading the collected works of either Shaw or Chomsky |
| [20:17:52] | iamlindoro_: | whodat: Those thing are painfully overpriced. Why would you want one? |
| [20:17:56] | laga: | gbee: but chomsky gave us "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously" :) |
| [20:18:04] | Wagner: | whodat: not exactly something you would want in your house.... considering it penchant for creating stars and all |
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| [20:18:38] | whodat: | iamlindoro: looking for an easy way to get 2 quiet,slim,cheap front ends without havent to build them. (sd only) |
| [20:18:42] | iamlindoro_: | whodat: you can put something with better specs/looks/actual video acceleration together for $250 or so |
| [20:18:55] | whodat: | s/havent/having |
| [20:19:09] | iamlindoro_: | If your time is worth the $650 difference to you, go for it |
| [20:19:12] | iamlindoro_: | (each) |
| [20:19:25] | Wagner: | building such a box takes all of about half an hour |
| [20:19:34] | ** gbee ponders the riddle ** | |
| [20:19:46] | whodat: | how about the best slim/quiet/cheap/simple box that all i have to do is install mythbuntu? |
| [20:20:09] | laga: | gbee: it's not a riddle. it's intended to be an example of a syntactically correct sentence which is nonsense. |
| [20:20:56] | Dagmar: | whodat: Something you got free |
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| [20:21:12] | gbee: | laga: ahh, thought it was along the same lines as the pronounciation one, but substituting words with alternates which have different meanings dependant on context |
| [20:21:13] | Dagmar: | ...and most notably, didn't waste other people's time with deliberately stupid questions about. |
| [20:21:41] | whodat: | dagmar: just wanting other's opinions |
| [20:21:42] | gbee: | I'll admit green would be a struggle |
| [20:21:55] | gbee: | but nieve etc |
| [20:22:01] | laga: | gbee: the wikipedia article is quite interesting. if you're into linguistics a bit ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ . . . ep_furiously |
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| [20:24:07] | Dagmar: | So like, again, Chomsky's focus isn't linguistics, it's philosophy/logic. |
| [20:24:29] | Dagmar: | The linguistics is merely useful for identifying and explaining exactly how and why polticians are bloody liars. |
| [20:24:52] | Dagmar: | polerin: whales, plural |
| [20:25:52] | iamlindoro_: | whodat: IMO (and I think I'm not alone) it is probably worth it to get something that's VDPAU capable if you're buying right now. |
| [20:26:04] | iamlindoro_: | whodat: http://us.acer.com/public/page4.do?link=oln56 . . . rc=488621093 |
| [20:26:35] | iamlindoro_: | Choose any config with the nVidia 8200 graphics or better, and you'll have a frontend that will do HD with VDPAU in the future, probably for far less than monolith |
| [20:28:25] | meshe: | is it the whole 8x00 series for VDPAU? |
| [20:28:38] | Wagner: | all except for the most early 8800 models |
| [20:28:41] | iamlindoro_: | Anything but the very first boards |
| [20:33:39] | iamlindoro_: | HEh, there you go: http://www.provantage.com/acer-pt-sar0x-010~7ACE904R.htm |
| [20:33:52] | iamlindoro_: | HAlf the price, twice the specs, and you can force the OEM to give you a refund on windows |
| [20:35:30] | laga: | well, VC-1 support doesn't work currently. |
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| [20:36:07] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: im guaranteed justinh will find a flaw in the box |
| [20:36:11] | gbee: | thought VC-1 was only supported in hardware above 9300 |
| [20:36:16] | iamlindoro_: | laga: On what? It works on the advertised boards |
| [20:36:27] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: anything with a G98 Processor |
| [20:36:45] | gbee: | which is? |
| [20:36:50] | iamlindoro_: | Which is the 8400 GS and a smattering of the 9xxxs |
| [20:36:55] | laga: | iamlindoro_: sure? on 8xxx boards? |
| [20:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | laga: It works on the ones they said it did on, which is a couple |
| [20:37:17] | gbee: | right, so really just 9xxx |
| [20:37:28] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: And not all of them by a long shot |
| [20:41:30] | meshe: | what's VC-1? |
| [20:41:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: You can do that? (get the OEM to refund/remove Windows?) — cool, I didn't know that. |
| [20:42:00] | gbee: | Microsoft codec used on some HD-DVDs |
| [20:42:04] | iamlindoro_: | A microsoft-backed competitor to h.264, more or less same/similar performance |
| [20:42:13] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: And Warner Brothers Blu-ray |
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| [20:42:25] | iamlindoro_: | (Including the Dark Knight) |
| [20:42:30] | meshe: | is blueray and hddvd working on linux? |
| [20:43:04] | iamlindoro_: | you can play the ripped files in myth, you can decrypt *some* disks in linux, you cannot currently pop a disk in and play |
| [20:43:07] | gbee: | hmm does ffmpeg handle VC-1? |
| [20:43:17] | meshe: | ahh, ok |
| [20:43:19] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yes, fairly well (multithreaded, even) |
| [20:43:36] | meshe: | why only *some* discs? different encryption technology? |
| [20:43:45] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Got TDK playing in myth at about 160% on my Q6600 last night |
| [20:44:03] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: different technologies and many generations of each, each of which must be defeated individually |
| [20:44:27] | meshe: | fun |
| [20:44:28] | iamlindoro_: | AACS is the easy one, BD+ is the pain, as it's adaptive and self-patching |
| [20:44:54] | meshe: | i'm avoiding bluray and hddvd as long as possible |
| [20:45:05] | meshe: | the drm on them really annoys me |
| [20:45:09] | iamlindoro_: | Well, you avoided HD-DVD out of existence |
| [20:45:13] | meshe: | especially HDCP |
| [20:45:27] | Dagmar: | We hold you, personally, responsible. |
| [20:45:31] | Dagmar: | For shame. |
| [20:45:31] | laga: | iamlindoro_: WIN |
| [20:45:34] | ** iamlindoro_ owns about 40 HD-DVDs he got for pennies, yay ** | |
| [20:45:50] | meshe: | i don't have a single thing in my house that will play either |
| [20:45:50] | Wagner: | HDCP has nothing to do with bluray or hddvd |
| [20:45:51] | iamlindoro_: | All safely nestled in Mythvideo, now |
| [20:46:44] | Wagner: | HDCP is applied AFTER all the DRM on br/hddvd has already been removed |
| [20:46:57] | meshe: | no, it may not, but it's still a part of the DRM crap that they keep trying to shove down our throats |
| [20:46:59] | Wagner: | its the last thing that happens before it is spet out onto the wire |
| [20:47:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work bought a Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player and a few HD-DVDs... Probably own 10 total. I also bought a M$ XB360 HD-DVD USB drive for use on my myth box when they dropped to $49... ** | |
| [20:47:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: cool, just wanted to know about threading and whether it would still be playable on my systems regardless of not having vdpau |
| [20:47:43] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yeah... still will take a bit of a beast, but definitely doable |
| [20:47:44] | Wagner: | although personally, i think HDCP is the most malicious out of the bunch |
| [20:47:57] | Wagner: | considering it can, and does fail, and not to infrequently either |
| [20:48:55] | meshe: | well like I said, i don't have a single device in the house wholly capable of playing something that requires HDCP |
| [20:49:10] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Don't own a single HDTV? |
| [20:49:13] | meshe: | nope |
| [20:49:37] | iamlindoro_: | And no monitors made in the last four years? |
| [20:49:38] | Wagner: | could have an old tv |
| [20:49:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | me neither... but I do have LCDs that support HDCP. ;-) |
| [20:49:44] | meshe: | my monitors don't support it either |
| [20:50:00] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: If it's made in the last 3–4 years, it's a virtual guarantee that they do |
| [20:50:02] | meshe: | our gaming PC's have video cards that support it, but the monitors are too old |
| [20:50:08] | Dagmar: | Typically with a monitor you would probably rather use DVI anyway |
| [20:50:16] | meshe: | i guarantee they don't :) |
| [20:50:20] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: DVI includes HDCP |
| [20:50:27] | meshe: | VGA |
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| [20:50:42] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression only HDMI did HDCP |
| [20:50:44] | Wagner: | vga doesnt support hdcp, so your video stream is quartered |
| [20:50:54] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Nope, DVI will do it as well |
| [20:51:00] | meshe: | my mythbackend/main frontend is running a G-Force 6200 |
| [20:51:25] | Dagmar: | Either way the first device I wind up owning that nerfs my content because of a lack of HDCP will be the first one to go back to the store |
| [20:51:32] | meshe: | connected to a RF box that converts to coax to the TV |
| [20:52:07] | Wagner: | $300 for a screen to project onto, on woot? |
| [20:52:41] | meshe: | Dagmar: that translates in my mind "you better not sell me something without DRM or else" ;) |
| [20:52:57] | Dagmar: | meshe: Probably a reasonable enough iteration |
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| [20:53:37] | Dagmar: | Reducing image quality because my equipment isn't in on the monopoly fix is just pernicious. |
| [20:53:41] | meshe: | i will be buying HD eventually, but that will be a side-feature of why i'm buying the TV |
| [20:53:44] | Dagmar: | I will not support any manufacturer who does such a thing. |
| [20:54:03] | Dagmar: | Sell me hardware, or don't sell me hardware, but absolutely don't sell me hardware that will do things just to spite me. |
| [20:54:45] | Dagmar: | I'm more than a little sick of the nastiness coming from that industry now. |
| [20:55:03] | meshe: | yeah... me too |
| [20:55:38] | meshe: | i still say, offer me the content i want in the format i want and you will get a *lot* more business out of me |
| [20:56:10] | meshe: | "I would like the latest album of X in lossless FLAC... $9.99, great" |
| [20:56:14] | GreyFoxx: | basically "stop telling me what to do" |
| [20:56:41] | GreyFoxx: | Don't tell me WHEN I can watch, don't tell me WHERE I can watch, don't tell me how long I have to watch it, don't tell me I MUST watch ads |
| [20:56:52] | meshe: | yup |
| [20:57:09] | GreyFoxx: | I want your content, not your rules |
| [20:57:10] | meshe: | and don't tell me what format it has to be in |
| [20:57:58] | meshe: | i personally love having my dvds in divx/xvid format, that's really none of the MPAA's business |
| [20:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | I'm more than will to pay for things I find of value, just told tell me I can't listen to my mp3 in the bathroom while having a shower cause I need a second license for that or some other stupid crap |
| [20:58:38] | justinh: | mmmmm I'm liking this |
| [20:58:41] | GreyFoxx: | Let me purchase and consume in my own way |
| [20:58:52] | GreyFoxx: | if I redistribute then come after me |
| [20:58:57] | GreyFoxx: | until then f*ck off |
| [20:59:08] | GreyFoxx: | <<-- Not a DRM fan |
| [20:59:16] | meshe: | if they are worried about piracy, encode/encrypt my personal information in the file, i'm not going to distribute it, so i'm not worried |
| [20:59:31] | meshe: | <<-- Also not a DRM fan |
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| [20:59:58] | meshe: | forced to buy DRM capable equipment because my husband has to have the latest video card every year |
| [20:59:58] | fuxxy: | I think I figured out why my mythbox keeps resetting – static electricity. |
| [21:00:10] | clever: | lol |
| [21:00:25] | clever: | ive given fairly painfull zaps into my laptop with no effect |
| [21:00:34] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/gputemp.png woop |
| [21:00:40] | fuxxy: | My house has bad wiring, and I doubt that the earth ground is connected in this wall plate. |
| [21:00:41] | GreyFoxx: | now to let that run for a while heh |
| [21:01:00] | kormoc: | fuxxy, that's not really 'static' per-say |
| [21:01:14] | GreyFoxx: | meshe: And of course watching your purchases become useless when the equipment is no longer made, or the live "enforcement" service goes away |
| [21:01:31] | meshe: | heh, yeah, i've avoided DRM like that |
| [21:01:37] | meshe: | meeting, back later |
| [21:01:48] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how hot this GPU will get tonight ** | |
| [21:02:08] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Why? |
| [21:02:18] | fuxxy: | kormoc: there's medium length carpet in the living room, and if the box is not connected to earth ground, it may play havoc with the PSU. |
| [21:02:42] | GreyFoxx: | some people asking about a major temp swing when using VDPAU, so I decided to set mine up to be graphable in cacti |
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| [21:03:01] | fuxxy: | It only happens when the wife brushes against the box (Antec FusionV2) when replacing the kid's butt ointment. |
| [21:03:10] | kormoc: | fuxxy, only if it's moving about on it. Static is when two things move next to each other, and carpet isn't overly conductive to send it from other spots |
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| [21:03:20] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [21:03:27] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: And since I have 2 GPU's ion that box I'm gonna graph both |
| [21:03:37] | GreyFoxx: | compare the one in use to the one not :) |
| [21:03:42] | fuxxy: | kormoc: not the carpet itself, but the carpet can build up a static charge in the wife. |
| [21:03:56] | kormoc: | sure, i can buy that :P |
| [21:04:36] | fuxxy: | It's just weird though. Why would something as simple as a static spark cause the box to reset, other than bad earth ground to the box? |
| [21:04:40] | kormoc: | Mmm... Cacti... |
| [21:04:55] | ]Oscar: | iamlindoro: re |
| [21:05:21] | kormoc: | fuxxy, well, all the equipment is sharing that ground, if you short the cpu say, it'd reset/lockup/whatever |
| [21:05:21] | Wagner: | is that cacti? or just some quick rrd script? |
| [21:05:30] | kormoc: | Wagner, that's cacti |
| [21:05:32] | GreyFoxx: | Wagner: That was cacti |
| [21:05:38] | ]Oscar: | I was trying something,.. and I found this, from dvbsnoop: Guess table from table id... |
| [21:05:38] | ]Oscar: | Unknown, reserved or not (yet) implemented – TableID: 24 (0x18) |
| [21:05:38] | ]Oscar: | --> ITU-T Rec. H.222.0|ISO/IEC13818 reserved |
| [21:05:39] | kormoc: | distinctive look :) |
| [21:05:48] | Wagner: | how did you pump the graphics card temp into snmp? |
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| [21:06:10] | GreyFoxx: | I have snmpd configured to pass a specific OID to a script, which I use to grab the temp via nvidia-settings |
| [21:06:11] | ]Oscar: | can this help to undestand something more? |
| [21:06:19] | Wagner: | ah |
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| [21:06:43] | jackson__: | can you also get nvidia temps via lm-sensors? |
| [21:06:46] | Wagner: | didnt know nvidia-settings had a command line mode |
| [21:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | nvidia-settings -q=GPUCoreTemp |
| [21:07:13] | GreyFoxx: | Or in this case nvidia-settings -c :1 -q=GPUCoreTemp -t |
| [21:07:25] | GreyFoxx: | 1 OID per gpu |
| [21:07:36] | Josh_Borke: | GreyFoxx: nifty |
| [21:08:42] | Wagner: | i need to get cacti set up properly |
| [21:09:20] | Wagner: | i had some script that would gather data on my raid card, UPSs, and partition usage, and dump them into rrd |
| [21:09:33] | Wagner: | but havent moved that ability over to cacti yet |
| [21:11:03] | kormoc: | my main problem is I want graphing and monitoring/notices |
| [21:11:16] | kormoc: | and nagious is such a massive pain... ugh... |
| [21:11:17] | GreyFoxx: | nagios is pretty good for that |
| [21:11:25] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:11:35] | kormoc: | Mine keeps breaking for some reason |
| [21:11:46] | kormoc: | I really with Zenoss wouldn't suck :P |
| [21:12:12] | kormoc: | but I keep saying I'll just write my own cacti/nagios hybred solution, but for some reason, I keep working on myth stuff |
| [21:12:20] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:12:29] | GreyFoxx: | I are big users of nagios here for tons of stuff |
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| [21:12:49] | GreyFoxx: | main thing I added was the ability to email+sms acknowledge alerts :) |
| [21:12:52] | kormoc: | Yeah, I've used it a fair bit, but for single box monitoring, it's a fair pain |
| [21:13:41] | Wagner: | ive got a machine who's sole purpose for existance anymore is handling rrds |
| [21:14:00] | Wagner: | i used to use it for a lot more, but the rest has all been migrated elsewhere |
| [21:14:16] | Wagner: | i just havent moved the rrds because its an 32-bit machine |
| [21:14:38] | kormoc: | I think if I bother to do one, mine will be database backed |
| [21:14:46] | Wagner: | and i dont feel like exporting/importing all those databases into a 64-bit rrd |
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| [21:15:33] | Wagner: | ive actually considered getting a limited VM running under QEMU such that i could keep the files in their current state |
| [21:15:39] | jackson__: | Munin is a nice little thing if you just want performance graphs. |
| [21:19:45] | ** dustybin looks forward to designing a perfect HD backend and HD frontend ** | |
| [21:20:05] | Wagner: | where are you going to get a robotic arm? |
| [21:21:08] | dustybin: | is there any point in sticking in one of those 8 series nvidia card onto a backend if its not connected to anything? can one still make use of the GPU ? |
| [21:21:24] | Wagner: | at current, no |
| [21:21:27] | Wagner: | in the future.... maybe |
| [21:21:34] | dustybin: | actually i remember iamlindoro_ telling me |
| [21:22:01] | Wagner: | there seem to be interfaces to allow you to grab the decoded surfaces back out of the video card |
| [21:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | Telling you what? Exactly what Wagner just said? |
| [21:22:09] | Wagner: | and if nothing else, you can always use CUDA |
| [21:22:20] | Wagner: | but it all depends on software being written to do so |
| [21:22:48] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: about CUDA |
| [21:23:09] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: What I told you was someone would need to write or port an encoder to use CUDA |
| [21:23:27] | ** kormoc grumbles about dead video cards ** | |
| [21:23:32] | dustybin: | yep |
| [21:23:47] | Wagner: | theres a fair bit of asm code in x264, that would have to be completely rewritten to support CUDA |
| [21:23:50] | Wagner: | not a simple undertaking |
| [21:24:16] | Wagner: | any ASM, or otherwise 3DNOW/SSE code would be worthless |
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| [21:24:56] | clever: | is there a pure c++ version of the code in there for portability? |
| [21:25:07] | clever: | or c |
| [21:25:25] | timo: | i have singnal 88% but still bad picture ? how dose that work? |
| [21:25:29] | timo: | dvb-t |
| [21:25:34] | dustybin: | clever: i think it needs to be close to metal for performance |
| [21:25:49] | kormoc: | timo, if the signal is no good, it doesn't matter how strong it is? |
| [21:26:03] | clever: | dustybin: yeah using pure c/c++ would reduce performance but ease the porting to other platforms |
| [21:26:33] | Wagner: | clever: the implication is that the raw C version would be a starting point, but all of the guts would have to be completely rewritten under a different language/programming paradigm |
| [21:26:47] | Dagmar: | Perl. Please perl. |
| [21:26:50] | clever: | lol |
| [21:26:53] | timo: | kormoc: 90% and still |
| [21:26:55] | dustybin: | C64 Basic ftw |
| [21:26:56] | Wagner: | years of optimization, trashed |
| [21:27:03] | Dagmar: | For all the stuff that involves diddling the DB, please let's use perl |
| [21:27:20] | kormoc: | timo, so you are saying you don't understand what I said or you're just saying random numbers? |
| [21:27:26] | Dagmar: | dustybin: If we were doing 6502 I could do it all in a weekend |
| [21:27:34] | dustybin: | haha thats the BASIC chip? |
| [21:27:40] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:27:52] | kormoc: | the? basic chip? |
| [21:27:52] | Dagmar: | The C-64 had no "BASIC chip". BASIC was actually provided by it's idea of an operating system. |
| [21:28:03] | dustybin: | ohh |
| [21:28:06] | kormoc: | there was only one computer that had basic? |
| [21:28:11] | Dagmar: | The thing, simply put, started out running a BASIC command interpreter running in immediate mode. |
| [21:28:16] | clever: | basic was just a OS in the firmware/'bios' |
| [21:28:32] | clever: | thats a good way to put it |
| [21:28:37] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [21:28:40] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [21:28:50] | Dagmar: | ...because it had neither flashable firmware, or a BIOS. |
| [21:28:57] | dustybin: | 10 FOR I = 1 TO 20 : poke 53281,I : NEXT I |
| [21:28:58] | clever: | ROM then |
| [21:28:59] | Dagmar: | s/or/nor/; |
| [21:29:05] | Dagmar: | ROM yes. |
| [21:29:24] | clever: | but the BASIC+KERNAL act like the bios for a system |
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| [21:29:42] | laga: | kernal? |
| [21:29:54] | clever: | dont ask me why, but thats how it was labled in the book:P |
| [21:30:06] | Dagmar: | dustybin: If you look at some of the average source files you'll see what I'm talking about, but there was a degree to which everyone who programmed on the C=64 at some point had to either abandon the idea that guessing a number from 1 to 100 was the pinnacle of computer science and start coding in 6502 Assembly, or just give up |
| [21:30:16] | Dagmar: | 48K of RAM available for BASIC. |
| [21:30:38] | dustybin: | DA] |
| [21:30:39] | dustybin: | a |
| [21:30:45] | Dagmar: | laga: The kernel was pretty much teh same sort of thing as the Linux kernel. It was a big pile of routines that made the machine "go" |
| [21:30:45] | timo: | kormoc: i did understand , just pissed off |
| [21:30:55] | laga: | ah |
| [21:31:00] | dustybin: | people used to write music tracks to games using 6502 assembler language |
| [21:31:33] | Dagmar: | That's becuase the SID chip was pretty kick ass |
| [21:31:38] | dustybin: | aye |
| [21:31:46] | clever: | ive heard of playing music using the head motors in the floppy drive |
| [21:31:59] | Dagmar: | I still occasionally get studio musicians who slow down and start looking at me hard when trying to explain something about sound envelopes. |
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| [21:32:25] | Dagmar: | ...because they've just no idea that people have been doing ADSR stuff since the mid 80's thanks to the SID chip in the Commodore 64 |
| [21:32:42] | dustybin: | Rob Hubbarb ftw |
| [21:32:49] | Dagmar: | "But, but Cakewalk only got the feature 5 years ago" |
| [21:33:00] | dustybin: | heh |
| [21:35:14] | Dagmar: | It was writing an interactive fiction parser that made me learn assembly |
| [21:35:32] | laga: | a fiction parser? |
| [21:35:45] | Dagmar: | Yes. You've never heard of Infocom? |
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| [21:35:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work was a BASIC programming guru in high school — I wrote two full Database applications in Basic before getting out of HS. One was a Car rental database application, the 2nd one was for the same guy's Boat rental business. ** | |
| [21:36:24] | ** iamlindoro_ lets loose his Grue ** | |
| [21:36:27] | justinh: | heh. did that myself. even got paid real money |
| [21:36:28] | laga: | Dagmar: ah. so no NLP ;) |
| [21:36:34] | iamlindoro_: | (and turns off the lights) |
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| [21:36:51] | justinh: | imagine a db app where you have to save the data to tape at the end of every day.. haw |
| [21:36:52] | Dagmar: | Why would NLP be of use? |
| [21:36:53] | clever: | my lights go dead if i stop moving:P |
| [21:37:08] | clever: | the hotel has motion sensors in every room, to kill the lights after 30 mins of no motion |
| [21:37:12] | iamlindoro_: | clever: They must be off a fair bit then |
| [21:37:28] | clever: | the 1st day i would get up and trigger the thing every 30mins:P |
| [21:37:41] | jamesd: | J-e-f-f-A, i was smart enough to know what tool to use for what job even in highschool, i wrote DB applications in a DB langage... DBaseII anyone. |
| [21:37:50] | ** kormoc uses his amulet of yendor to whoop up the old skool geek cred ** | |
| [21:37:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: The 1st one I got paid by being able to take a 300ZX Turbo to my Jr Prom for FREE... it was a $22K sports car in 1985... ;-) Had 5 miles on it when it hit the pavement of my driveway that Friday night before the prom. Man was it fast! ;-) |
| [21:37:54] | iamlindoro_: | Why can't we be rid of you, even when you go out of town? Why go out of town if you're going to sit on IRC all day? |
| [21:38:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: The 2nd one I had two boat rentals for free all day up at the lake... So not really cash, but more-or-less the same to a 17-year-old kid. ;-) |
| [21:38:25] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, he's just that sad and lonely. How we pitty him |
| [21:38:29] | laga: | Dagmar: it's not. i misunderstood you. |
| [21:38:42] | ** iamlindoro_ drops his mail in front of the flap, lays his towel on the drain, presses the button on the vending machine, and jams a babel fish in Kormoc's ear ** | |
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| [21:38:47] | Dagmar: | laga: Well, in theory it could help, but it would have been *massive* overkill |
| [21:39:08] | Dagmar: | Not to mention you couldn't ever fit such a thing in 48K of space, assembly code or not |
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| [21:39:32] | laga: | that's why i was wondering ;) |
| [21:39:44] | Dagmar: | Writing an AI so that someone could see what's in a nonexistant mailbox would be nuts |
| [21:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jamesd: I had to use the tools I was provided... ;-) Apple IIe the 1st time — Atari ST the 2nd time around. ;-) Both worked quite well, and I did a bunch of innovative stuff with them. ;-) |
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| [21:41:33] | Dagmar: | Like open them up and install garden gnomes on each chip so they would stop unseating themselves vover time? |
| [21:41:43] | jamesd: | J-e-f-f-A, i wrote my first DB application on an apple ][+ using DBase ][. |
| [21:42:02] | jamesd: | i don't think dbase was ever ported to the atari. |
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| [21:44:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Yeah, we didn't have those sorts of issues in the very-low-humidity of Fresno California... ;-) Now here in New England, I've re-seated chips on old pcs... ;-) |
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| [21:49:01] | Dagmar: | Oh it's not a humidity thing. It's just teh result of the chips being socketed on the board. |
| [21:49:29] | Dagmar: | Turn the machine on, it gets hot, they expand a bit. Turn it off, the machine cools, and the pins are just a few nanometers further out of their sockets. |
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| [21:50:04] | Dagmar: | Solder them down, put weights on them, or strap them down (the solution we preferred around here) and the problem goes away |
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| [21:56:10] | kormoc: | Query OK, 91519242 rows affected (8 min 48.58 sec) |
| [21:56:13] | kormoc: | Whee! |
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| [21:56:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah, my first action of troubleshooting anything with socketed chips was to remove and re-insert the chips. That corrected the problem(s) 99% of the time... ;-) |
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| [22:13:37] | CCFL_Man2: | wonder what the data rate is for 64QAM |
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| [22:15:17] | banyan: | Will winmyth 0.19.0 play nice with myth 0.21.13? It seems doubtful... |
| [22:15:34] | kormoc: | banyan, no |
| [22:16:40] | clever: | the version of all parts must match |
| [22:17:25] | banyan: | so, everyone who's using winmyth is still running a 0.19 backend? |
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| [22:18:16] | sid3windr: | ehh |
| [22:18:26] | sid3windr: | "nobody is using winmyth" is a better assumption |
| [22:19:27] | banyan: | I was wondering! Because that seems very old. |
| [22:19:32] | CCFL_Man2: | 29mbits |
| [22:19:59] | banyan: | Hmm, too bad. I was going to see if I could stream from the myth backend at home to my work PC via an ssh tunnel. |
| [22:20:24] | Wagner: | huh.... there seems at actually be something wrong with my backend (besides mythtv) |
| [22:20:39] | Wagner: | my windows desktop and my freebsd backend both pick up my HDHR just fine |
| [22:20:46] | Wagner: | my linux backend does not |
| [22:20:47] | kormoc: | banyan, the flash player? |
| [22:20:57] | banyan: | Or if the difference between the throughput I have and the throughput I'd need would be staggering. |
| [22:20:59] | Wagner: | neither does the SD command line utility on the same machine |
| [22:21:08] | banyan: | there's a flash player kormoc? |
| [22:21:26] | kormoc: | banyan, aye, in mythweb |
| [22:22:02] | kormoc: | does on the fly flash video encoding and streaming, optimized for low bandwidth remove viewing |
| [22:22:21] | kormoc: | also has the nice side affect of having your net admins not notice the used bandwidth so much :P |
| [22:22:38] | banyan: | ah, so I'm back at *that* place again! can you refresh me on what a decent URL is to catch up with what all that entails, getting mythweb running? |
| [22:22:51] | banyan: | I expect it's a bit more than "yum install mythweb" |
| [22:22:57] | kormoc: | it should be covered in the wiki |
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| [22:23:14] | kormoc: | least, distro specific install questions |
| [22:23:22] | CCFL_Man2: | 64qam is 29mbits and 256 qam is 38mbits |
| [22:23:24] | kormoc: | generic install instructions are included in the README |
| [22:25:17] | judazz: | Hi folks, I've got an upcoming recording that is stuck. It is in the past, it was recorded, and it is deleted. Any suggestions on what sql queries I can use to get rid of it..? |
| [22:25:55] | justinh: | find it in 'previously recorded' & delete it from there if you want it to re-record |
| [22:26:14] | sphery: | kormoc: jams was asking about our use of TEXT for description fields. Now (MySQL 5.03+) that VARCHAR can be > 255 chars, would there be any benefit to changing description to VARCHAR? |
| [22:26:50] | banyan: | wow, the wiki has come a luh-onng way! I'm very impressed. Last time I saw it, well, I didn't think there was any reason to check back. |
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| [22:27:34] | justinh: | yep. there sure are a lot more feature requests than there used to be! |
| [22:27:44] | kormoc: | sphery, hrm... Let me run the numbers... |
| [22:28:45] | sphery: | looks like space-wise it's always L + 1 byte for < 255 or L + 2 bytes for > 255 chars, but I don't know what else could differ. |
| [22:28:53] | judazz: | justinh, I found it in previousy recorded, deleted it, but it still shows in mytweb "upcoming recordings" |
| [22:29:37] | sphery: | judazz: what are you trying to do? |
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| [22:30:10] | sphery: | you mean that on Upcoming Recordings it shows that a show that's not currently airing is still recording? |
| [22:30:11] | kormoc: | sphery, well, it depends on the indexes a bit too. Typically VARCHAR will be faster to query against, but if we never query against it, TEXT will be much faster to pull (full) rows out |
| [22:30:12] | judazz: | sphery, well in mythweb, under upcoming recordings, a recording is showing, that is in the past, and it is deleted |
| [22:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | judazz: And have you restarted the backend? |
| [22:30:39] | judazz: | iamlindoro_, nope – will try! |
| [22:30:43] | kormoc: | judazz, and you are sure you don't have the 'Show previously recorded' filter selected? |
| [22:31:38] | judazz: | kormoc, in mythweb? don't think so, will search for that option now |
| [22:31:42] | sphery: | judazz: if restarting the backend doesn't help, hit the "Don't Record" (or Stop Recording or whatever the button is that says to cancel that) button next to the episode on Upcoming Recordings |
| [22:32:06] | kormoc: | judazz, in the upcoming recording's screen, the green box at the top should have the filters there. |
| [22:32:51] | sphery: | kormoc: I think we do the occasional query against program.description (probably not so much against recorded.description or oldrecorded.description) for search rules and/or custom rules |
| [22:33:04] | judazz: | well, on the frontend, under upcoming recordings, it doesn't show, only in mythweb |
| [22:33:21] | judazz: | (I will try to restart the backend later – I have a show recording right now) |
| [22:33:40] | justinh: | right. work saved for the night. still need to extend my svn setup to accept remote commits |
| [22:33:42] | judazz: | In mythweb, it says that the show (that is in the past and is deleted) is still recording |
| [22:34:02] | sphery: | does it have a button next to it saying something about stop/cancel/don't record? |
| [22:34:18] | iamlindoro_: | Backend restart will almost undoubtedly fix that |
| [22:34:18] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:34:23] | judazz: | if I press "edit", I get an error: "Warning:Unknown Program. |
| [22:34:29] | kormoc: | judazz, what version of mythweb? |
| [22:34:34] | judazz: | 0.21-fixes |
| [22:34:48] | ** sphery wonders if getting 2 "Payment has posted" confirmations on my automatic payment is a sign I should check my account... ** | |
| [22:35:13] | judazz: | well – haven't restarted the backend for a couple of weeks – will try that, thanks for all suggestions :) |
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| [22:42:26] | fuxxy: | How do I edit the metadata for a recorded file that has been reintroduced to te database? |
| [22:42:41] | fuxxy: | I'm looking in keybindings, and nothing seems to work. |
| [22:42:56] | iamlindoro_: | With SQL statements, or a tool like phpmyadmin |
| [22:43:35] | fuxxy: | oh really? Some other users suggested there might be an option in the recorded playback menu. |
| [22:43:35] | kormoc: | MythTV – Teaching users SQL for the past 7 years |
| [22:43:44] | fuxxy: | okay, time to get sql cracking |
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| [22:43:47] | fuxxy: | kormoc, damn straight. |
| [22:44:09] | mzb_d800: | for keybindings can't you use mythweb? |
| [22:44:51] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: for high bitrate hd channels, such as the weather channel hd, 64qam will not work |
| [22:45:15] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: Can you *please* explain why you continue to talk to me? |
| [22:45:21] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, to edit keybindings, aye |
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| [22:45:41] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: because you are the only one who knows what i'm talking about |
| [22:46:09] | kormoc: | CCFL_Man2, the point being, he doesn't care, nor doe the rest of the channel it seems, given your just largely talking to yourself |
| [22:46:14] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: I come here to speak about topics relating to mythTV. And occasionally about chicks. Please feel free to speak to me about these. |
| [22:46:22] | fuxxy: | i was 37 degrees this morning, and it's 35 degrees now (5 PM) |
| [22:46:37] | ** mzb_d800 is happy to be blissfully ignorant ** | |
| [22:46:43] | judazz: | iamlindoro_, seems restarting the backend cleaned that old recording out of the way – thanks :) |
| [22:46:45] | CCFL_Man2: | kormoc: ahh |
| [22:46:53] | iamlindoro_: | judazz: Glad to hear it, np |
| [22:47:08] | kormoc: | I wonder why the frontend didn't show it... |
| [22:47:32] | kormoc: | I'm half tempted to spec out and rewrite mythproto... ugh... someone shoot me... |
| [22:47:45] | justinh: | fuxxy: in watch recordings, press Info, then Change Recording Title. you can't change the description though, only title & subtitle |
| [22:48:01] | kormoc: | Telling a recording to stop shouldn't have to involve sending back the correct recording priority number.... |
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| [22:48:10] | mzb_d800: | For some reason I keep getting recordings being commflagged, even though they're marked not to. Any ideas? |
| [22:48:45] | mzb_d800: | the commflag jobs also seem to "skip the queue" preventing other jobs from running. |
| [22:48:54] | mzb_d800: | (on that BE) |
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| [22:51:34] | mzb_d800: | ... I wonder if it's time-related issues on the MBE .... hmmm |
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| [22:56:03] | mzb_d800: | nope |
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| [23:02:08] | justinh: | whoah. xbmc on windows really does suck |
| [23:02:21] | justinh: | ... still |
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| [23:05:53] | justinh: | and yes, that mediathingy skin is nice in their screenshots but.. some of the high res photos they use as backdrops are dirty.. as in there's dust & hair spoiling one or two. |
| [23:09:58] | banyan: | as they say at staples, that was easy! |
| [23:10:25] | banyan: | Clearly I will have to do some reading re: security. |
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| [23:12:32] | justinh: | oh well. slightly less respect for that skin, knowing they couldn't be bothered to retouch a few dirty marks. heh |
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| [23:14:46] | justinh: | looky here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . s/Image1.png .. muck & dust in the power button. bleugh |
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| [23:23:28] | keith_: | suddenly, my recordings aren't showing up via uPnP anymore. nothing in the backend log, at all. thoughts? |
| [23:25:01] | keith_: | the upnp server is obviously working, because I can browse by title, by date, etc. and all the titles/dates/other-metadata look fine, but when I actually look at the recordings for a date, title, etc... there are none |
| [23:25:09] | keith_: | but they work fine in mythfrontend |
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| [23:28:38] | keith_: | hmmm, must be a problem with my PS3. won't show any tracks in mediatomb or PlayOn, either |
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| [23:37:51] | banyan: | Hey, what's the scoop with setting up the recommended htdigest stuff for mythweb? It seems like I've done what was asked of me but I don't get in when I enter the required credentials. |
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| [23:40:38] | xris: | banyan: permissions on the htdigest file? |
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| [23:41:24] | banyan: | It's in group apache and it's 644... |
| [23:41:29] | banyan: | does it need to be writable? |
| [23:42:30] | banyan: | ah, that got it! I should have figured it was something like perms. |
| [23:42:49] | xris: | you don't want it writable.. but it definitely needs to be readable |
| [23:43:03] | squish102: | what is the best way to move recordings and recording schedules from one mythtv to another? (I have copied the physical directory) |
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| [23:43:56] | Anusien: | Oh cool, MythWeb is already installed and set up. Not sure when that happened, but awesome! |
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| [23:46:09] | banyan: | hm, shouldn't I be getting some kind of indication of buffering or something...? I click on a program to watch and winamp starts up but a whole lotta nothin' happens. Whereas if I do the same on the actual host computer, it's very quick to come up and start playing. |
| [23:46:42] | xris: | squish102: I don't know if there is a way to move schedules... easiest way to move recordings is with nuvexport's nuv+sql method |
| [23:47:06] | xris: | guess you could just do a mysql dump if you don't mind copying everything. |
| [23:47:44] | squish102: | ok thanks xris, i'll try nuvexport first |
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| [23:48:52] | banyan: | Is mythweb mainly meant to be used on a LAN where the bandwidth is plentiful? Can it be used on the internet really? |
| [23:49:09] | Dagmar: | It can |
| [23:49:21] | Dagmar: | Just don't expect remote playback to work very well going up your cablemodem |
| [23:49:33] | banyan: | Did I miss some bps configuration that needs to be tweaked downward? |
| [23:49:55] | Dagmar: | Just don't expect remote playback to work very well going up your cablemodem |
| [23:49:59] | banyan: | Aside from that, I'm ssh-ing it, so that can't help but slow it down. |
| [23:50:58] | banyan: | I'm not paying $1000/mo. for bandwidth so I guess I can't expect to run my own private youtube. |
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