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| [00:46:01] | Wagner: | for some reason my backend will not accept my HDHR |
| [00:48:14] | perilousapricot: | I'm getting a segfault in kickoffoutputaudioloop when I exit either liveTV or recordings |
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| [00:54:24] | Wagner: | says it cannot connect |
| [00:54:30] | Wagner: | i was messing around with it on my desktop |
| [00:54:38] | Wagner: | i wonder if it bound and did not release |
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| [00:57:44] | perilousapricot: | gree, re-enabling pulseaudio works for some reason |
| [00:58:38] | gregL: | Wagner, I had that happen before,i was able to cycle the power and grab a new ip.. |
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| [01:03:29] | Wagner: | well i power cycled, to no avail |
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| [01:04:14] | gregL: | are the lights on solid? |
| [01:04:40] | Wagner: | well i can ping it, if that means anything |
| [01:04:54] | Wagner: | ive never actually connected it to this machine |
| [01:05:01] | Wagner: | i moved from fixes to trunk over the weekend |
| [01:05:09] | gregL: | Should work then |
| [01:05:20] | Wagner: | and the previous machine it was connected to (my freebsd file server) could not compile trunk |
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| [01:05:40] | Wagner: | so i remembered i needed it switch it over about half an hour ago, and could not get it connected to my other backend |
| [01:06:57] | gregL: | silicondust has a setup program.maybe that will help you.. Firewall maybe? |
| [01:07:08] | Wagner: | no matter, recordings are already shifted back to my 150s, and im not shutting down the backend while its recording |
| [01:07:34] | Wagner: | it worked fine last week on fixes, it worked fine under windows (and the SD program) this weekend |
| [01:07:36] | Wagner: | no firewalls |
| [01:07:46] | Wagner: | the backend machine can ping the hdhr fine |
| [01:10:01] | Wagner: | killed the windows software before power cycling, assuming it was somehow binding to the hdhr and locking it |
| [01:10:03] | Wagner: | nope |
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| [01:11:36] | gregL: | dhcp problem perhaps.. |
| [01:11:54] | Wagner: | as i said, i could ping it |
| [01:12:03] | gregL: | right |
| [01:12:08] | Gumby: | hi all. I have a friend using mythtv and he wants to have all his recordings playable and seen by windows media center (i know, lame, but thats his choice). is this possibly without first converting them from .nuv to something else? Ive been looking for a nuv codec for windows but havnt found anything yet |
| [01:12:31] | Gumby: | possibly/possible |
| [01:12:33] | Wagner: | there is a nuv codec that comes with DSMyth |
| [01:13:07] | Wagner: | better option would be to dump whatever it is using nuv |
| [01:13:22] | Wagner: | or have some external transcode script that changes from nuv to something else |
| [01:13:52] | Wagner: | only framegrabbers record to nuv anymore anyway |
| [01:14:03] | Gumby: | yeah, he has a whole bunch of recorded stuff right now and just got an xbox 360 and wants to use it as a media extender for windows mce |
| [01:14:45] | Wagner: | the 360 has uPnP support, however the 360 SUCKS |
| [01:14:57] | clever: | its a microsoft product |
| [01:15:03] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [01:15:08] | clever: | the only time microsoft will make something that doesnt suck, is when they make a vacume |
| [01:15:11] | Wagner: | it does not support the formats required by US digital broadcasts |
| [01:15:23] | Wagner: | its got nothing to do with being a microsoft product |
| [01:15:30] | Wagner: | it has to do with piss poor codec support |
| [01:15:41] | Wagner: | the ps3 has slightly less poor codec support |
| [01:16:00] | Wagner: | AFAIK, PVR recordings are not supported either |
| [01:16:23] | clever: | and it probly cant handle nuv either |
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| [01:16:35] | clever: | so you would need a custom transcode job to make recordings avail for it |
| [01:16:36] | Wagner: | well nothing can handle nuvs, but thats not much of a loss |
| [01:16:45] | leop: | ok Managed to get the card working |
| [01:16:52] | Wagner: | basically, mythtv is the only thing that uses nuvs |
| [01:17:08] | clever: | mplayer can play nuv with minor problems |
| [01:17:16] | Wagner: | if its properly patched |
| [01:17:38] | Wagner: | although i think the patches are part of mainline now |
| [01:17:51] | clever: | i didnt patch mine |
| [01:17:54] | clever: | mplayer/mencoder never realy had trouble simply decoding |
| [01:17:57] | Wagner: | but that still doesnt change the fact that mythtv is the only thing that uses nuvs |
| [01:18:00] | clever: | i think i was using trunk |
| [01:18:14] | Wagner: | no one else creates them |
| [01:18:39] | leop: | But Myth on scan default transponders (i.e Freq 3660000 S/R 27500000) when I try to scan other transponder get nothing (i.e Freq 4000000 S/R 28066000) on C-Band? |
| [01:18:45] | clever: | mythtv realy needs more container choices |
| [01:19:17] | leop: | anyhelp? |
| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | clever, so go code some. |
| [01:23:44] | clever: | kormoc: ssh access to my house is laggy atm |
| [01:23:51] | clever: | and i can bearly even keep the wifi up |
| [01:24:04] | kormoc: | yet it's up enought for you to complain about free stuff... |
| [01:24:28] | clever: | its just a comment:P |
| [01:24:43] | clever: | right now i cant even access my mythtv network without major lag |
| [01:24:52] | kormoc: | If you don't have anything nice to say... |
| [01:25:05] | clever: | vnc might work but the vpn is unstable lately |
| [01:25:16] | kormoc: | It's as if your parents never taught you any manners... |
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| [01:52:46] | sphery: | Wayhigh: You'll need dedicated hardware to encode 1080i (something like the HD-PVR, which is probably the only approach that's supported in GNU/Linux at this point). |
| [01:53:27] | Wayhigh: | sphery: so the HD tuner cards don't work well? |
| [01:53:57] | sphery: | however, most people who get 1080i get it already encoded--i.e. HDTV broadcast OTA or on cable is already encoded in MPEG-2 by the production company. |
| [01:53:59] | Wayhigh: | I've got a Kworld 110 that works (no remote for it though) |
| [01:54:00] | hads: | If you're receiving a broadcast and dumping it to disk that is fine. |
| [01:54:12] | sphery: | HD capture cards simply demodulate the signal and dump the stream to the disk |
| [01:54:21] | Wayhigh: | ahh ok |
| [01:54:46] | Wayhigh: | I take it that does take too much cpu power then |
| [01:55:00] | hads: | Very little |
| [01:55:06] | Wayhigh: | I've been wondering if an amd 64 x2 4200 would work ok for it |
| [01:55:14] | Wayhigh: | so I guess that would be affirmative :) |
| [01:55:25] | sphery: | However, you'll need at least a 3GHz P4 to play back HDTV. However, now that 3GHz P4 is /very/ old tech, you're much better off getting a real processor, like a Core 2 or a good Athlon 64 (dual core or so, probably) |
| [01:55:49] | Wayhigh: | has anyone here tried the hdmi out support for the asrock motherboards? |
| [01:56:11] | sphery: | Yeah X2 4200 should be fine, but won't necessarily allow you to use high-quality deinterlacers or timestretch to 2x (but you should be able to get at least some timestretch using, for example, kernel deint) |
| [01:56:28] | Wayhigh: | sphery: thanks.. I'm planning on setting up one backend box and one frontend box.. the backend may be both front & backend for the time being |
| [01:56:59] | sphery: | In the future, when nvidia's VDPAU (on GPU decoding) is supported, you could use less, but IMHO, you should buy your processor as if VDPAU doesn't exist |
| [01:57:18] | Wayhigh: | basically.. I have 2 TV's I want to use mythtv on. |
| [01:57:30] | hads: | As an example, I can record 5 MPEG SD streams to disk on about 5% of a Core 2 Duo CPU |
| [01:57:41] | Wayhigh: | hads: sweet |
| [01:57:42] | sphery: | I personally like software decode (=you're in control of decode, not stuck waiting for drivers to be released with fixes) |
| [01:58:12] | kormoc: | sphery, I donno if you saw or not, but my card, it be toast :P |
| [01:58:30] | sphery: | saw you mentioning your plan to get a new one |
| [01:58:37] | sphery: | did you find a Windows box to throw it in? |
| [01:58:44] | kormoc: | not yet |
| [01:59:16] | sphery: | just curious... I'd love a pic (screenshot or camera) of the Myth OSD overlaid on top of Windows desktop :) |
| [01:59:31] | kormoc: | Heh, it only happens during vdpau decoding tho :P |
| [01:59:32] | Wayhigh: | what HD card is easiest to get working these days? My kworld 110 took a huge amount of custom hackin to get working when I got it (couple weeks after its release) |
| [01:59:40] | kormoc: | so perhaps it'll happen under pure video |
| [01:59:53] | Wayhigh: | but unfortunately my mythtv box had to be repurposed as an asterisk box when my asterisk system melted down |
| [02:00:55] | sphery: | I have 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's and a friend has 3 Avermedia A-180's. Setting them both up was easy. But, I'll guess that's likely the case for just about any card that was released >1yr ago (i.e. that V4L guys have had time to get support into main line kernel) |
| [02:01:33] | Wayhigh: | how's the hauppauge 950q? |
| [02:01:37] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, I see... Still would be interesting test if you have the time/means. |
| [02:03:04] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, it's weird, xv works great still |
| [02:03:48] | sphery: | stranfe |
| [02:04:04] | sphery: | with a g, though |
| [02:04:42] | Wagner: | awesome! russian spam |
| [02:04:55] | Wagner: | certainly does a lot of good to try to sell something to me i cannot read |
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| [02:06:13] | Wayhigh: | I wonder if russian spam is like 'new vodka.. guaranteed to make you 5" larger..' |
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| [02:17:43] | Wayhigh: | what hd tuner card do ya'll recommend? It seems like most of them have one issue or another.. |
| [02:24:40] | Wagner: | PCI or PCIe? |
| [02:28:35] | Wayhigh: | either |
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| [02:30:53] | Wagner: | pcie, just grab an HVR-1250. cheap, easy, works. |
| [02:31:20] | Wagner: | PCI, ive got no experience |
| [02:35:05] | Wayhigh: | 1250 only supports digital, right? |
| [02:35:48] | Wagner: | you dont want it any other way |
| [02:36:20] | Wagner: | last i heard, the 1600 was buggy, the 1800 doesnt work on mythtv, and any other digital card is only going to have a framegrabber for analog |
| [02:36:31] | Wayhigh: | can't get scifi channel on hd here :( |
| [02:37:46] | jblack: | even if you could, you couldn't. |
| [02:40:21] | Wayhigh: | I'm thinking about just getting a couple of the pchdtv 5500's |
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| [02:41:16] | Wayhigh: | or the pinnacle hdtv pro usb's |
| [02:44:01] | Wayhigh: | hmmph.. there's just no excellent choices. :) |
| [02:45:15] | Wayhigh: | dvico fusionhdtv5 rt gold? |
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| [02:56:15] | mzb_d800: | I've got an issue where mythcommflag jobs are repeatedly being queued up ... even for recordings that haven't got ad flagging selected. |
| [02:56:20] | mzb_d800: | Any ideas for debug? |
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| [03:05:50] | mzb_d800: | I only allow commflagging on one of the BE's (the one with all the storage). The side effect of this problem is that I can't get other jobs to run on that BE. |
| [03:06:03] | mzb_d800: | (other jobs are ignored/skipped) |
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| [03:13:25] | ** RyeBrye loves that 4 of his tuners are recordings stuff now – and all 4 commflag jobs are running at > 150 FPS :) ** | |
| [03:13:43] | fuxxy: | My myth machine decided to shat itself earlier today. |
| [03:14:18] | fuxxy: | just completely reset, and when the box came back up, the backend wasn't available. Started backend and all the recording metatadata, database is borked. |
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| [03:16:57] | Wayhigh: | ok.. I think perhaps I'll get a PVR-500 for analog and an HDHomerun for digital |
| [03:20:55] | RyeBrye: | That's waht I have |
| [03:20:58] | RyeBrye: | works great |
| [03:21:08] | RyeBrye: | I technically have 2 PVR-500's |
| [03:21:12] | RyeBrye: | but only 1 is in use right now |
| [03:21:45] | RyeBrye: | I haven't had a use for 4 analog tuners and 2 digital tuners to run at once yet -but i do often run all 4 (2 analog, 2 digital) in the evenings |
| [03:22:27] | Wayhigh: | do you have a hdhomerun? |
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| [03:24:40] | RyeBrye: | Yes, I do |
| [03:25:08] | RyeBrye: | http://www.mediaincanada.com/articles/mic/200 . . . perbowl.html um WTF are "interactive hyperlink advertisements"? |
| [03:25:15] | RyeBrye: | Myth will just obliterate them for me, right? |
| [03:25:53] | fuxxy: | has anyone had success putting mythbackend in xinetd or equivalent? |
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| [03:29:41] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, any change you want to off load that 2nd pvr-500 cheap? |
| [03:30:13] | RyeBrye: | Maybe – ask me again in a week – I'm getting another FE setup and I might make use of it again |
| [03:30:21] | RyeBrye: | or rather – aftter christmas I suppse |
| [03:30:24] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [03:30:28] | Der_Thomas: | will do |
| [03:30:32] | RyeBrye: | my wife wont let me set up the new TV / frontend until after christmas |
| [03:30:42] | RyeBrye: | (well it will be frontend / slave backend probably) |
| [03:30:42] | Der_Thomas: | haha – why not? |
| [03:30:59] | RyeBrye: | Because the TV is a christmas present for us... and she wants it to feel like christmas I guess |
| [03:31:13] | Der_Thomas: | oh right |
| [03:31:16] | Der_Thomas: | I see |
| [03:31:17] | RyeBrye: | Last year, I set up our "christmas present" TV in early November :) |
| [03:31:39] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I've been thinking about buying myself a xmas present now... |
| [03:31:55] | Der_Thomas: | I;ve got an old CRT that is begging to get thrown out |
| [03:32:22] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [03:32:26] | RyeBrye: | HDTV's are nice |
| [03:32:48] | RyeBrye: | but then they turn into money pits because you have to upgrade the rest of your stuff to get HD recording / storage / whatever :) |
| [03:32:54] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah I see a great deal on a panasonic 720p for like $650 or $700 |
| [03:33:04] | RyeBrye: | what size are you looking for? |
| [03:33:06] | Der_Thomas: | 42" that is |
| [03:33:18] | Der_Thomas: | I think that 720p is good enough for 42" |
| [03:33:25] | RyeBrye: | I bought a refurb thin-bezeled toshiba 1080p 40" for $769 |
| [03:33:28] | Der_Thomas: | what do you think |
| [03:33:28] | RyeBrye: | from newegg |
| [03:33:36] | Der_Thomas: | oh really? |
| [03:33:40] | RyeBrye: | Costco has good deals too |
| [03:33:56] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I've seen cheaper one's but they tend to have poor customer reviews |
| [03:34:26] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253139 is the one I just bought – I mainly bought that size because it's the largest size I could cram into our existing cabinet upstairs that my wife wants to keep |
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| [03:34:41] | Der_Thomas: | check this one out tell me what you think: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . amp;CatId=37 |
| [03:35:49] | Lexridge: | I just bought this monitor on Friday: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . amp;csid=_23 It's suppose to do 1080p, plus I got it a bit cheaper than the advertised price. Hope I didn't screw up |
| [03:36:27] | RyeBrye: | Other people know more than I do – but 1024 x 768 doesn't sound like the right resolution – isn't is supposed to be 1367 x 768 or somethign? |
| [03:36:34] | Lexridge: | Der_Thomas: looks like a sweet monitor! |
| [03:36:35] | RyeBrye: | http://www.techbargains.com/cheap-hdtv.cfm lists some deals on TV's |
| [03:37:44] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, so, what this is not telling me is, can this do 1080p24, or something lower? Also I've heard that many 1080p TVs can technically play 1080p on the monitor, but the input can only do 1080i |
| [03:37:46] | RyeBrye: | or 1280 x 720 or smething |
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| [03:38:05] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas: Which one, the toshiba? |
| [03:38:30] | Der_Thomas: | yeah |
| [03:38:44] | RyeBrye: | PC Input: Analog RGB ATSC, NTSC, QAM Tuner 1080i/p, 720p, 480i/p |
| [03:38:50] | RyeBrye: | It does 1080i or 1080p input signal |
| [03:39:01] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, I wonder if that 1024x768 is a missprint, that is a 4:3 res |
| [03:39:13] | RyeBrye: | I've seen a lot of TV's that have odd misprints like that |
| [03:39:26] | RyeBrye: | enough to make me wonder if they are misprints or what |
| [03:39:42] | RyeBrye: | Easiest thing to do woudl be to try to find a download link for the user manual and then read through that |
| [03:39:43] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, yeah remember that the ad people are not tech people... |
| [03:39:46] | RyeBrye: | user manuals tend to have more specs |
| [03:40:04] | Der_Thomas: | right, agree |
| [03:40:15] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas: Here's the same TV (non refurb) at amazon http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-40RF350U- . . . p/B000W3JHJK |
| [03:40:47] | RyeBrye: | Getting it for $500 less and being a refurb seemed like a reasonable deal to me |
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| [03:41:59] | RyeBrye: | I searched around a lot for one that would fit in that cabinet and seemed like a bargian – that newegg one seemed like the best deal I could find |
| [03:42:01] | Der_Thomas: | wow, yeah I think you got a great deal, I've found referbs to be higher quality then normal stuff |
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| [03:42:23] | Der_Thomas: | at least where I work, we send warranty claim stuff to VERY skilled techs to trouble shoot |
| [03:42:32] | Der_Thomas: | ...and fix right |
| [03:43:08] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, time will tell... It's not really my main TV – I have a 50" DLP downstairs that I really like a lot – but my wife wanted a "small" TV upstairs to replace our old CRT TV :) |
| [03:43:25] | Der_Thomas: | Any idea what CineSpeed is? the toshiba lists that as a feature |
| [03:43:35] | RyeBrye: | I think it's some anti-blur thing they have |
| [03:43:43] | Der_Thomas: | makes sense |
| [03:43:46] | RyeBrye: | or maybe it's what they call their 3:2 pulldown |
| [03:43:51] | RyeBrye: | they all have funky names for stuff |
| [03:43:54] | Lexridge: | like the 120hz scan rate? |
| [03:44:39] | RyeBrye: | This one doesn't have 120Hz... I hope it doesn't bug me too much |
| [03:46:17] | Der_Thomas: | sure it will be fine, however doesn't the Bob 2x filter in myth run at 120Hz? |
| [03:46:17] | Der_Thomas: | unless you have a progressive video feeds... |
| [03:46:31] | Der_Thomas: | 3:2 pulldown <- is this when you turn 1080i video feeds into 1080p24? |
| [03:49:21] | Wagner: | Der_Thomas: yes, also known as inverse telecine |
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| [03:50:47] | Wagner: | actually, 3:2 is the method of making 24fps film into 30/60fps broadcasts |
| [03:51:01] | Wagner: | or 'telecine' |
| [03:51:14] | Der_Thomas: | Wagner, thanks, I'm kind of new to the HD stuff. So my cableco only broadcasts at 720p or 1080i, if I bought a 1080p TV that can do 3:2 pulldown does that mean that I can play 1080p24? |
| [03:51:29] | meshe: | if you have a backend with 1 tuner card with 2 frontends, can they both watch the channel that the backend is tuned to? |
| [03:51:42] | Wagner: | it means you have a TV that can take p24 content, and play it at 60fps |
| [03:52:19] | Der_Thomas: | ...but that would be at 1080i60 right |
| [03:52:49] | Wagner: | or it could double it to 1080p60 |
| [03:53:02] | Wagner: | actually, im not entirely sure about the teminology |
| [03:53:05] | Wagner: | which goes what direction |
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| [03:53:36] | Der_Thomas: | I don't think so reason is that 1080P60 does not exist in the ATSC standard, too high of a bandwidth |
| [03:53:51] | Wagner: | oh! but it does exist in the standard |
| [03:54:05] | Wagner: | but no one uses it because it would look like ass with the available bandwidth |
| [03:54:14] | Der_Thomas: | really? I was reading an article that said no, but it was from 2006 |
| [03:54:18] | Lexridge: | yea, I learned this too recently, and I'm in broadcasting!! DOH! |
| [03:54:36] | Wagner: | 1080p60 is defined as acceptable in the standard, no one ever uses it |
| [03:54:56] | Lexridge: | mainly because it is not backwards compatible. |
| [03:54:57] | Der_Thomas: | OK, interesting |
| [03:55:09] | Wagner: | and i can pump 1080p60 down a dialup connection |
| [03:55:30] | Der_Thomas: | so which is better 1080p24 or 1080i60? |
| [03:55:36] | Wagner: | it all depends on the compression youre willing to put up with |
| [03:55:51] | Der_Thomas: | Wagner – oh yeah for got about compression |
| [03:56:25] | Wagner: | chances are, your source material is going to be from a 24fps progressive source |
| [03:56:34] | Wagner: | most tv shows are, nearly all film is |
| [03:56:58] | Wagner: | sports are going to be high motion, so those are usually 720p60 anyway |
| [03:57:33] | Wagner: | the '3:2 pulldown' support in hardware seems to be that it detects the conversion and automatically reverses it |
| [03:58:33] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah that article I was reading was saying that 720 TVs are better to buy since you can get 720p60 broadcasts vs 1080i60 or 1080p24. I think they said that 1080p24 is only 12% more temporar resolution then 720p60 |
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| [03:59:16] | Der_Thomas: | but 1080i/p TVs usually cost mroe then 12% more |
| [03:59:33] | Wagner: | that is all completely meaningless |
| [03:59:39] | Lexridge: | the general thinking in broadcasting is, it is better to up convert from 702p to 1080i than the reverse. |
| [04:00:14] | Der_Thomas: | like I said I'm new to this |
| [04:00:15] | Wagner: | because everything overscans, and just about everything but the high end stuff does not allow you to disable overscan |
| [04:00:28] | Wagner: | meaning nothing is running at native resolution, its all scaling from something to something else |
| [04:01:29] | Der_Thomas: | interesting stuff |
| [04:01:36] | Wagner: | if you get true 1080 content, it will look better on a 1080p tv, otherwise it doesnt matter |
| [04:02:21] | Der_Thomas: | funny how a few tech savy people can have a conversation like this and not have all of the answers, funny how completely non-tech people walk blind into Best Buy every day and buy stuff... |
| [04:02:31] | Lexridge: | in a sense. 1080i is exactly the same as 540p, at double the framerate |
| [04:03:00] | Lexridge: | or field rate, to be exact |
| [04:03:48] | Der_Thomas: | Lexridge, Not totally true, (I think) because the TV is progressive by nature, it has to put the frames of the interlased signal into a buffer and present them in a progressive frame anyway. |
| [04:04:10] | Der_Thomas: | by the TV, I mean a lcd, plasma, etc not CRT of course |
| [04:04:34] | Lexridge: | however, that is the thinking behind 720p is better to upconvert than downconverting 1080i, I "think". ;) |
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| [04:05:29] | Der_Thomas: | Not sure, I do know however I've seen SD content upscale to an HD TV, not sure if it was 720 or 1080, but it looked like SHIT!! |
| [04:05:42] | Lexridge: | agreed! |
| [04:05:55] | Lexridge: | most SD is 480i |
| [04:06:00] | Der_Thomas: | right |
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| [04:06:14] | Der_Thomas: | but you would think that they could work that out |
| [04:06:20] | Lexridge: | which is 240p.....ugh! |
| [04:06:31] | Wagner: | 480i at HD resolutions doesnt look too great, 480p looks pretty good |
| [04:06:45] | Der_Thomas: | well, yesh 240p but 240p120 |
| [04:06:46] | Lexridge: | 480p does look good, as we see in most DVD releases. |
| [04:07:09] | Der_Thomas: | hmm, never looked at 480p |
| [04:07:31] | Lexridge: | any commercial DVD will play (with a progressive DVD player) at 480p |
| [04:07:55] | Lexridge: | that would be 480p/24, right? |
| [04:08:16] | Der_Thomas: | not sure, prob 480p60 |
| [04:08:17] | Wagner: | correct |
| [04:08:22] | Der_Thomas: | oh |
| [04:08:28] | Wagner: | 480p24 |
| [04:08:40] | Der_Thomas: | isn't native TV refresh rate 60hz? |
| [04:08:49] | Wagner: | yes it is |
| [04:09:18] | Der_Thomas: | does the DVD player play the 24Hz stream at 60Hz? |
| [04:09:34] | Wagner: | depends on the output |
| [04:09:41] | Wagner: | composite/svideo is 60hz |
| [04:09:44] | Lexridge: | depends on the tv as well. |
| [04:09:49] | Wagner: | component/hdmi... i dont know |
| [04:09:59] | Der_Thomas: | ah OK I get it |
| [04:10:10] | Lexridge: | component can operate at 24p, or 23.976 as the case may be |
| [04:11:02] | Wagner: | i mean i dont know if the tv actually plays at 24fps, or resamples in some manner |
| [04:11:07] | Lexridge: | I can not tell a difference between component and hdmi on either of my two HDTVs |
| [04:11:22] | Lexridge: | with short cable runs, of course. :) |
| [04:11:46] | Der_Thomas: | so I think I don't know what to buy, I was going to buy a 42" plasma TV that can play 720p60 thinking that it was Good Enough for the cash, but now I'm thinking that maybe i shold dish out for the 1080p tv |
| [04:12:19] | Wagner: | how far away will you be sitting? |
| [04:12:49] | Lexridge: | if you plan on a future blu-ray device, 1080p is the way to go. However, you may not notice the difference until you get into bigger monitors, such as 52+" |
| [04:12:49] | Wagner: | and what is your vision? 20/20? better? worse? |
| [04:13:36] | Der_Thomas: | small apartment, depending on where you are in the room 10 feet or so |
| [04:14:07] | Der_Thomas: | vision prob less then 20/20 |
| [04:14:29] | Wagner: | so better than 'perfect'? |
| [04:14:31] | Der_Thomas: | can 720p TVs play blueray? Do they downscale their inputs? |
| [04:14:40] | Lexridge: | IMO, 42" is too large for only 10' viewing distance. My 51" is 12", and that is too close....I'm gonna downsize it. |
| [04:14:57] | Der_Thomas: | Wagner, guess I mean worse then 20/20, higher number |
| [04:15:46] | Der_Thomas: | Lex, I read somewhere the about 3x the diag measurement of the TV is suposed to be rht "rule of thumb" |
| [04:15:54] | Lexridge: | interesting |
| [04:16:16] | Lexridge: | so I should be ideal at 12' |
| [04:16:32] | Lexridge: | actually, 12.75' ;) |
| [04:16:43] | Der_Thomas: | 42"x3 = 126" / 12 in/ft = 10ft for me |
| [04:17:00] | Lexridge: | sounds good |
| [04:17:15] | Chutt: | thx recommends a 36 degree viewing angle |
| [04:17:46] | Wagner: | Der_Thomas: i have fairly exceptional vision, 20/13. 720p at 10' on a 26" is about my limit |
| [04:18:01] | Wagner: | at that size and distance, i would see no difference between 720p and 1080p |
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| [04:18:11] | Lexridge: | no, you wouldn't |
| [04:18:59] | Wagner: | so scale that up to 42" and worse than 20/20, you may not see a difference between 720p and 1080p |
| [04:19:15] | Chutt: | 10 feet would be a 90" screen |
| [04:19:16] | Lexridge: | I have read on multiple occassions that 1080p is only apparently on monitors larger than 48" Maybe true, maybe not. I have no experience with 1080p |
| [04:19:31] | Der_Thomas: | when you said 1080p if I wanted to buy a blueray in the future, does that mean that 720p will not downscale a blueray output? |
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| [04:19:48] | Lexridge: | it should downconvert just fine. |
| [04:19:52] | Wagner: | it means it will downscale just fine |
| [04:20:05] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [04:20:26] | Der_Thomas: | Hey, got to run, thanks for schooling the HD new guy |
| [04:20:40] | Lexridge: | later Der |
| [04:20:44] | Der_Thomas: | later |
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| [04:29:44] | Gumby: | hi all. When I try to go to my media browser to and then to music my frontend crashes. I compiled with debug mode and got the following results http://pastebin.ca/1280432 Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| [04:32:19] | Gumby: | do I need to compile mythplugins with the same options I compile mythtv with in order for it to work properly? Ive compile with xvmc and v4l. |
| [04:32:42] | Wagner: | mythplugins does not take the same options as mythtv |
| [04:32:54] | Wagner: | i assume you mean 'configure' options |
| [04:33:15] | Gumby: | yes sorry |
| [04:33:29] | Gumby: | I thought that might be the problem. otherwise I have no clue |
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| [04:35:08] | Gumby: | any suggestions wagner? |
| [04:35:46] | sphery: | Gumby: compile without libvisual/ProjectM support or disable all the libvisual/ProjectM visualizations |
| [04:36:12] | bsdfox: | anyone running dual monitors and tv-out on nvidia hardware? I have dual 7600gt (sli disabled) and running nvidia-settings I was able to get the tv-out working as a seperate screen on the same X session. this is fine except I don't want my mouse randomly straggling off onto my tv, alt-tabbing to mythtv, etc |
| [04:36:12] | bsdfox: | I want to set it up as a seperate X session where I can still display all 3 at the same time. having a hell of a time figuring it out, http://rafb.net/p/LGbgCe90.html |
| [04:37:20] | Gumby: | sphery: ok, I'll give that a go. But do you think that is the issue given that I cant access anything to do with mythmusic at all? Even the "Music Tools" in "Setup" |
| [04:37:32] | Lexridge: | bsdfox: I've not been able to run three monitors, the second DVI always gets the same video as the TV out. |
| [04:37:34] | Wagner: | bsdfox: you can only run one x-server per card |
| [04:37:41] | aaronp: | bsdfox: If you configure them as separate X screens instead of TwinView, configure them for absolute positioning, and then position them so there's a gap between them, then the mouse will be confined to screen 0. |
| [04:37:45] | Wagner: | so put the tv on the second card |
| [04:37:49] | bsdfox: | Wagner: it is |
| [04:37:50] | Wagner: | and run a separate X server |
| [04:37:54] | bsdfox: | that's what I'm trying to do |
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| [04:38:13] | sphery: | Gumby: if that's the case, it may just be that you have an old plugin version--make sure mythtv /and/ mythplugins (and MythWeb) are all the exact same revision |
| [04:38:16] | bsdfox: | aaronp: twinview for the two DFP |
| [04:38:21] | bsdfox: | running on one card, |
| [04:38:37] | aaronp: | Yeah, that should work. |
| [04:38:45] | Lexridge: | I have a single Nvidia card, with two DVI outputs, and one TV out. I can run twinview just fine, with a LCD computer monitor on output 1 and a TV on output 2. |
| [04:38:50] | bsdfox: | yep, can't figure out why.. want to peak at my config? |
| [04:39:12] | bsdfox: | Lexridge: I have two flat panels hooked up to one card, and a tv hooked up to the other |
| [04:39:18] | Gumby: | sphery: mythweb isnt installed, and both mythplugins and mythtv are 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 |
| [04:39:25] | bsdfox: | I can run all three at the same time so I'm sure the hardware can do it, it's a simple configuration issue |
| [04:39:28] | sphery: | bsdfox: you read http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-15.html ? |
| [04:39:38] | Lexridge: | bsdfox: I have tried this same thing, with zero results. Not that is not possible, but I have not made it work. |
| [04:40:03] | Lexridge: | I assumed the TV output was shared with the DVI output 2 |
| [04:40:25] | bsdfox: | Lexridge: what you're trying to do is impossible, what I'm trying to do isn't |
| [04:40:39] | bsdfox: | the cards only have 2 heads so you can't run 3 displays off one card |
| [04:41:02] | Lexridge: | my nvidia configure program showed me all three monitors, but the last two always shared the same settings. |
| [04:41:14] | bsdfox: | sphery: yeah I've been looking through it, can't figure it out |
| [04:41:20] | bsdfox: | Lexridge: that's what I would expect |
| [04:41:33] | Lexridge: | I too would be interested in what it takes to make this work. |
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| [04:41:45] | bsdfox: | sphery: the twinview card works fine, it's the tv-out session that won't run |
| [04:42:06] | sphery: | Gumby: then I don't know why it would fail... Check your log files, and if that doesn't help, you may need to get a backtrace. |
| [04:42:24] | Lexridge: | oh, I see...doh, I missed the fact you have TWO video cards. DOH! Sorry. |
| [04:43:10] | Lexridge: | are both video cards nvidia? I have read that sometimes the drivers get confused when using multiple nvidia cards. |
| [04:43:14] | Gumby: | sphery: is the backtrace I posted helpful at all? http://pastebin.ca/1280432 |
| [04:43:25] | Gumby: | the log files dont say anything at all |
| [04:43:28] | Wagner: | i dont know if its possible to put both setups in the same xorg.conf |
| [04:44:04] | Wagner: | and you need to pull the mouse and keyboard out of one set, or else the whole thing will go to hell |
| [04:44:21] | Lexridge: | yea, that is getting strange xorg.conf wise. |
| [04:44:34] | sphery: | Gumby: would be more helpful if you installed the mythtv debug packages |
| [04:45:01] | bsdfox: | Lexridge: yeah identical cards |
| [04:45:10] | Wagner: | bsdfox: check out Http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
| [04:45:21] | Wagner: | should explain everything you need to do |
| [04:45:56] | Gumby: | sphery: is that different than confuguring with the --compile-type=debug option? |
| [04:46:00] | Lexridge: | It says it requires multi keyboard and mouses. |
| [04:47:11] | sphery: | Gumby: are you compiling or running packages (I though 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1 meant a package)? The debug packages are the stuff you get with --compile-type=profile, but they strip out that debug stuff so it doesn't slow things down on a system that's not doing backtraces. |
| [04:47:26] | sphery: | profile is like debug, but with optimizations enabled |
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| [04:47:57] | Gumby: | sphery: Ive grabbed ubuntu's mythtv source and created my own debs after running configure with --compile-type=debug |
| [04:48:58] | Gumby: | so they are the same as ubuntu packages except they have the debug option enabled. I can recompile/rebuild with profile if that is what is necessary |
| [04:49:25] | mzb_d800: | I've solved my problem above by hacking the db :| |
| [04:49:37] | Gumby: | ubuntu doesnt have debug packages in its repo so I didnt use them |
| [04:49:40] | mzb_d800: | (nothing else worked) |
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| [04:51:09] | sphery: | Gumby: debug would have worked, but the problem is when you build your debs, it's stripping the debug info, so you basically have unoptimized (=slow) code without debug symbols (i.e. the worst of all worlds ;). You'll either need to find someone who knows ubuntu/deb-building to help you or you'll need to switch back to packages |
| [04:51:40] | sphery: | Gumby: and ubuntu /definitely/ has debug packages available for 0.21-fixes (though IIRC you have to enable some debug repo or something--talk to the #ubuntu-mythtv guys) |
| [04:51:50] | mzb_d800: | $ dpkg-builpackage -us -uc ? |
| [04:52:03] | Gumby: | mzb_d800: debuild -us -uc |
| [04:52:07] | mzb_d800: | (after editing rules) |
| [04:52:10] | Gumby: | yes |
| [04:52:17] | Gumby: | exactly what I did |
| [04:52:19] | mzb_d800: | yep, that's what I meant |
| [04:52:33] | Gumby: | not sure how it strips out debug info after hardcoding it in the rules |
| [04:52:39] | Gumby: | but I'll look into it |
| [04:53:10] | Wagner: | seems someone in Malaysia was stabbed to death because he would not give up the karaoke mic |
| [04:53:33] | Gumby: | it has to be either the patches I am using or v4l. I just installed the stock mythmusic and mythtv packages and they work fine :( |
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| [05:05:35] | Wagner: | bsdfox: check out http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
| [05:06:09] | iamlindoro: | The article is awful |
| [05:06:18] | iamlindoro: | it presumes you can get five other linux users to leave their house |
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| [05:06:28] | android60: | for a simple media center pc, with a capture card with hardware encoder, mainly for video playback , would a 1.8 ghz celeron processor be ok? |
| [05:06:30] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [05:06:48] | iamlindoro: | android60, If you mean SD only, yes, that would be okay |
| [05:07:03] | android60: | ya for now. whats recommended for hd? |
| [05:07:12] | Wagner: | it also assumes you would want to share 1GB of memory with 5 other users running X servers |
| [05:07:12] | android60: | minimum that is |
| [05:07:42] | Wagner: | whatever the minimum hardware needed to get a pcie slot, and an nvidia 8-series |
| [05:07:45] | bsdfox: | got it working Wagner, thanks |
| [05:08:13] | iamlindoro: | android60, That's a wide open question and requires info about what codecs, bitrates, and signal sources you're using. For the moment, high clock Core 2 Duo or better. By next myth release, a midrange processor and nvidia 8xxx or better will work nicely. |
| [05:08:13] | Wagner: | bsdfox: ok, your client crashed, so i didnt know if you had seen the link before that happened |
| [05:08:54] | Wagner: | a 1.8 celeron will probably choke on ATSC broadcasts |
| [05:09:05] | Wagner: | so dont expect to do HD on your current system |
| [05:09:30] | android60: | with a geforce 8600, 2 gig ram, and a to be purchased hardware encoder capture card, still think core 2 duo good idea? |
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| [05:09:34] | bsdfox: | http://rafb.net/p/q8Okk023.html if anyone wants to see |
| [05:09:56] | bsdfox: | X :1 -nolisten tcp -novtswitch -sharevts -layout tv |
| [05:10:58] | iamlindoro: | I think Core 2 Duo is always a good idea, even with SD. Not strictly necessary, but you will *always* find a way to use more processor in a mythbox |
| [05:12:29] | bsdfox: | I did SD ok with 3 tuners on a p2–450 backend |
| [05:12:46] | iamlindoro: | bsdfox, he's not asking about just a backend |
| [05:12:49] | Wagner: | did you do playback on that same processor? |
| [05:13:01] | bsdfox: | hell no |
| [05:13:19] | bsdfox: | got a couple c2d frontends, hopefully just eliminated one of them actually |
| [05:14:44] | android60: | ok thanks for the info guys |
| [05:15:00] | iamlindoro: | As an example, I've got a Core 2 Quad OC'ed to 3.6 Ghz... have two cores maxed out right now doing commflagging and another almost maxed with various other stuff-- there will *always* be a way to use more processor, IMO |
| [05:15:32] | iamlindoro: | Not necessary, but a nice to have if you can afford the extra speed |
| [05:19:07] | bsdfox: | Wagner: turns out X isn't capable of sharing keyboard or mouse when both X sessions are running on the same VT. ever heard of someone using an LIRC device as a CoreKeyboard in xorg.conf? |
| [05:19:38] | Wagner: | a lirc device is not a keyboard |
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| [05:40:49] | iamlindoro: | I really need to catch up on Terminator TSCC... Editing out tonight's commercials only tells me how I have no idea what the heck is going on |
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| [06:00:27] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, have you had success with VDPAU and HD-PVR 1080i? VDPAU seems to work fine, for me, with 1080i mpeg2, but 1080i HD-PVR always results with a green screen within a couple of minutes. |
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| [06:25:03] | HRearden: | I'm building a new gentoo system for vdpau testing. Is there a minimum (or maximum) kernel for vdpau ? |
| [06:26:54] | Wagner: | just one that supports the nvidia drivers |
| [06:28:02] | Wagner: | HAH! wootoff |
| [06:30:08] | HRearden: | OK. Building gentoo on a VIA EX 10000 fanless. Should finish by Friday :) |
| [06:30:21] | Wagner: | should set up distcc |
| [06:30:52] | HRearden: | Only other Linux box here is another useless Via Commell POS. |
| [06:31:14] | HRearden: | I had a dream of fanless high-def. Now I'm hoping VDPAU can salvage it. |
| [06:31:38] | Wagner: | i do hope there are some fans in the machine |
| [06:32:12] | HRearden: | Probably a very quiet case fan. |
| [06:33:08] | HRearden: | I've done a totally fanless lo-def VIA without even a case fan — used a notebook drive, all has been great. |
| [06:33:45] | Wagner: | thats because the VIA system will probably consume <10W |
| [06:34:01] | Wagner: | the fanless nvidia card will probably pull 30W on its own |
| [06:34:28] | Wagner: | it runs while fanless... provided you have a sufficiently ventilated case |
| [06:34:47] | HRearden: | right now the nvidia PCI card I bought has a fan. |
| [06:35:18] | Wagner: | that wont cut it, you need to get the hot air out of the case |
| [06:35:48] | HRearden: | I'll run the case fan on this one I think anyway, since it's got a 3.5" drive. |
| [06:36:34] | Wagner: | yeah, that 3.5" will probably use another 10W |
| [06:36:53] | HRearden: | and they get hot. |
| [06:37:18] | Wagner: | only because they were not designed with good cooling |
| [06:38:00] | Wagner: | you strap a nice fanless 1U heatsink to it, it may not even get warm to the touch |
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| [07:47:20] | justinh: | heheheh if a 1Ghz system can play HD with even HDPAU I'd be surprised. You need IO bandwidth too not just CPU cycles |
| [07:47:57] | justinh: | not forgetting memory throughput... |
| [07:48:08] | Wagner: | justinh: what for? AFAIK, youre just sending a demuxed, compressed stream straight through to the video card |
| [07:48:16] | Wagner: | meaning no more than 5MB/s |
| [07:48:26] | justinh: | yeah but those Via chipsets... you know what they're like :D |
| [07:48:39] | Wagner: | im more concerned about the audio |
| [07:49:01] | Wagner: | high bitrate bluray tends to have some high bitrate CPU intensive audio as well |
| [07:49:10] | Wagner: | certainly nothing to a modern processor |
| [07:49:14] | justinh: | myers. xvmc was a hit & miss affair on my m10k system |
| [07:49:20] | Wagner: | probably nothing even to a 1GHz P3 |
| [07:49:33] | justinh: | yeah but a 1Ghz via cpu != 1Ghz P3 :) |
| [07:49:36] | Wagner: | but those epia systems are about half as efficient per clock cycle arent they? |
| [07:49:39] | Wagner: | maybe less |
| [07:49:43] | justinh: | if you're lucky |
| [07:50:05] | justinh: | but hey they don't eat much power! who cares! :D |
| [07:50:17] | justinh: | save the planet or watch HD.. hmmm |
| [07:50:26] | Wagner: | yeah, 20W on the P3 vs. 2W on the Via |
| [07:51:11] | hads: | I don't really like the Via EPIA's but I'd say they could do it. |
| [07:51:45] | justinh: | hey I didn't say they can't do it. I just said I'd be surprised if they could |
| [07:51:59] | hads: | I didn't say you did say that. |
| [07:52:06] | Wagner: | considering you actually have experience with those systems |
| [07:52:14] | justinh: | knowing the problems playing SDTV they can have.. |
| [07:52:14] | Wagner: | i would say you have a better idea of what they can handle than most |
| [07:52:34] | hads: | They'd still be slow as doing everything. |
| [07:52:56] | justinh: | their opengl will stuck suck ass :D |
| [07:52:57] | hads: | I traded my old one in on a mATX Core 2 Duo board. |
| [07:53:06] | hads: | Much happier |
| [07:53:14] | justinh: | like menu transitions will still take 2 seconds |
| [07:53:20] | hads: | heh, yeah |
| [07:53:46] | hads: | Saying that mine never had any trouble playing SD |
| [07:54:00] | Wagner: | ive been pleasantly surprised by my Geode board.... but then that doesnt even have a video out, so i dont know how it would handle graphics |
| [07:54:02] | justinh: | hads: mine didn't, til it did :) |
| [07:54:02] | hads: | From either ivtv or MPEG DVB |
| [07:54:18] | justinh: | depended entirely on the stream content |
| [07:54:18] | hads: | Ours was used for about a year with no problem |
| [07:54:35] | justinh: | anything with mheg or AD streams in it just made the decoder puke |
| [07:54:36] | hads: | Didn't like 720p though :) |
| [07:54:58] | hads: | We have MHEG in our DVB and it played that fine. |
| [07:55:27] | justinh: | it was perculiar to BBC channels only.. which was a pisser since almost everything *I* watch is from the BBC |
| [07:56:00] | hads: | Yeah the MHEG profile here is slightly different to your stuff. |
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| [07:56:15] | justinh: | we have much more junk in the streams I bet |
| [07:56:25] | hads: | heh |
| [07:56:27] | justinh: | timecodes slip all over the place too apparently |
| [07:56:39] | justinh: | a/v offsets especially |
| [07:56:56] | justinh: | lots of standalone STBs develop lipsync problems over time |
| [07:57:14] | Wagner: | 'develop'? |
| [07:57:41] | justinh: | people don't generally notice, but they obviously happen enough for the BBC to mention it in their FAQ |
| [07:57:59] | justinh: | yeah leave the STB on a given channel for long enough... |
| [07:58:16] | justinh: | the cure is to change channels or reboot the STB |
| [07:58:26] | justinh: | icky! |
| [07:59:06] | Wagner: | i thought there were supposed to be sync points places every few dozen frames |
| [07:59:09] | justinh: | my Dad's had more freeview boxes than I've had hot dinners |
| [07:59:56] | justinh: | Wagner: there are, but the audio & video can still end up offset by varying amounts in the decoder |
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| [08:00:37] | justinh: | according to the BBC tech my dad spoke to it's because of the way they optimise the video for transmission or something |
| [08:00:48] | justinh: | anyway.. stuff happens |
| [08:01:16] | Wagner: | well they way they optimize it is by adding a bunch of crap to make sure things stay synced |
| [08:01:39] | justinh: | the audio has timing info in the packets, as does the video |
| [08:01:51] | justinh: | so theoretically the decoder should be able to marry them |
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| [08:02:57] | justinh: | but timecode 12345 in the video isn't necessarily near timecode 12345 in the audio stream, and the amount of 'real' time between them can change. |
| [08:03:28] | justinh: | it'll change depending on the other stuff they shove in the stream – which in theory shouldn't cause any problems |
| [08:04:37] | justinh: | it might not actually work like that, but that's how it's been explained to me. bottom line is, even hardware has problems |
| [08:05:37] | justinh: | I wouldn't care – I'd understand it if the A/V sync problems showed up in no-brand cheap-arse STBs, but this was on fancy Sony & Phillips boxes |
| [08:06:52] | justinh: | now my dad uses a cheap & nasty £20 job from ASDA & it's never had the sync problem. trying to talk them into getting a PVR so I have an excuse to build them a myth box |
| [08:07:34] | justinh: | speaking of which.. how's my rsync doing? ... 83.6% of 350 copied. Damn |
| [08:07:58] | Wagner: | still copying recordings? havent you been doing that for 2 weeks or so? |
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| [08:09:18] | justinh: | I was swamping my network. I need gigE |
| [08:09:33] | justinh: | plus, the copying was too slow. now I know why! |
| [08:09:51] | justinh: | a quick hdparm -d /dev/hdb ascertained that :-\ |
| [08:10:08] | justinh: | now getting over 15MB/sec onto my USB hookup |
| [08:11:27] | justinh: | ahh this is that bloody sending drives to sleep malarkey again. when you're using hdparm.conf to send drives to sleep after idle periods you have to explicitly set DMA to on too |
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| [08:13:55] | justinh: | hey I wonder if this USB gadget of mine is PM aware.. we have a nifty 1–5 SATA port board I could build into a nice enclosure... |
| [08:14:50] | Wagner: | usb gadget? computer to computer hookup? |
| [08:14:59] | justinh: | no, USB to SATA & IDE |
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| [08:15:12] | Wagner: | ah, just a drive controller |
| [08:15:30] | Wagner: | bare, rather than enclosure |
| [08:15:37] | justinh: | it's a cable thingy |
| [08:15:54] | justinh: | enclosures are pretty much just a waste of time for me |
| [08:16:14] | justinh: | I have two 160GB external drives I never use already |
| [08:16:35] | Wagner: | ive got one i use for bulk transfers at work |
| [08:17:00] | Wagner: | internal and external networks, so removable drives are necessary |
| [08:17:17] | justinh: | the times I generally need to transfer a lot of stuff I might aswell hook up the HDD I'll be using & do it all in one go |
| [08:17:33] | justinh: | rather than use the external thing as intermediary ;) |
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| [08:19:25] | justinh: | whee at this rate the backend will be ready for its upgrade at the weekend. just one more little rsync update of the recordings dir, then take the backend down, clean it up, replace the PSU & drop the new HDDs & new SATA controller card in... |
| [08:20:45] | justinh: | I think I'll drop my old SVN repository though. I'm really not going to need blootube, projectgrayhem & all those awful themes anymore |
| [08:21:01] | justinh: | at least not my own local copies |
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| [08:23:59] | Dibblah: | Any large transfers – It starts giving slub allocation errors :( |
| [08:24:14] | Dibblah: | And drops to 10–20Mbits/sec. |
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| [08:26:04] | justinh: | I once had to fix an ethernet controller returned from a Motorola SmartZone installation. Couldn't get it to fail. Copied gigabytes over it for days. Started poking around with my 'scope & started producing errors. Turned out that master clock was a bit gash. New oscillator in place, all fixy :) |
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| [08:32:37] | justinh: | hmmm I can see me having to change the default bootloader item on my laptop |
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| [09:16:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | I have a recording job set up to record any matches on a specific channel (in this case: all NFL games on channel5). This was in the scheduled jobs, but it did not record. Viewing the backend logs, it says: Canceled recording (Recorder Failed) NFL "Tampa Bay Buccaneers @ Carolina Panthers": channel 20987 on cardid 5, sourceid 1. |
| [09:17:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | Other jobs of a similar nature seem to have worked without issue (e.g. any Family Guy on BBC3). |
| [09:17:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | How can I go about troubleshooting this? |
| [09:19:08] | justinh: | I had a recording failure of the same nature the other day |
| [09:19:43] | justinh: | only time I'd ever seen it until you posted that |
| [09:19:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | This has happened on two consecutive nights with the same schedule – so i'm not sure if it is specific to this job. |
| [09:19:54] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [09:20:23] | justinh: | I suspect it has more to do with the transitory behaviour of Freeview channels |
| [09:20:33] | justinh: | freeview/freesat |
| [09:20:55] | justinh: | possibly catching the channel when PIDs change or something of that ilk |
| [09:21:50] | Lunar_Lamp: | 2008-12–08 01:15:03.222 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): NFL "Washington Redskins @ Baltimore Ravens": channel 20987 on cardid 5, sourceid 1 |
| [09:21:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | 2008-12–08 01:15:03.225 scheduler: Last message repeated 1 times: Scheduled items: Scheduled 28 items in 0.0 = 0.02 match + 0.02 place |
| [09:21:57] | Lunar_Lamp: | 2008-12–08 01:15:03.228 scheduler: Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): NFL "Washington Redskins @ Baltimore Ravens": channel 20987 on cardid 5, sourceid 1 |
| [09:21:58] | justinh: | hrm. then again,when Emmerdull failed to record on Sunday, that was a custom rule too |
| [09:22:01] | Lunar_Lamp: | (the previous night's one) |
| [09:22:14] | Lunar_Lamp: | (sorry, that was more spammy than I intended) |
| [09:22:44] | justinh: | I set a custom rule up for %Emmderdale% to record at any time on ITV1 |
| [09:23:51] | justinh: | there isn't much that can make the recorder fail |
| [09:23:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | :-( |
| [09:24:05] | justinh: | lack of a working card, signal problem.. |
| [09:24:16] | justinh: | beyond those it's stuff to do with the streams themselves |
| [09:24:37] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I'll try manually scheduling a recording for one of them, to remove that possibility. |
| [09:25:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | (not going to be that same program for 6days though, so if it's a problem with the steam itself, that won't evidence until then) |
| [09:25:04] | justinh: | like I said I'd never seen it in all this time until Sunday so I think it'd be a bitch to reproduce |
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| [09:25:44] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, to be honest, I think I had the same issue, with totally different hardware and install about a year ago – but that box blew up and I've only just replaced it. |
| [09:25:51] | justinh: | I make enough recordings every day that if it was something obvious like stream content changes it'd have shown up a lot more by now (though maybe not) |
| [09:26:54] | justinh: | to get to the bottom of it you'd have to run mythbackend with some very verbose logging options indeed |
| [09:27:11] | justinh: | -siparser at the very least.. and others I can't remember |
| [09:27:40] | justinh: | hmm wait a sec |
| [09:28:03] | justinh: | no, it's not that. my 1st tuner isn't set to be used on-demand] |
| [09:28:29] | justinh: | wonder if it has anything to do with EIT scanning |
| [09:28:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | I don't have huge issue with that, as I'd like to get this one solved (recording the late night NFL games was one of the major motivators for getting myth set up again) |
| [09:28:47] | justinh: | are you using EIT at all? |
| [09:28:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | justinh: it may well be, as I have EIT scanning – I haven't configured xmltv properly yet. |
| [09:29:21] | justinh: | ahh. it might very well be a contention between EIT & the scheduler then |
| [09:29:39] | justinh: | no way to know without looking at reams of log |
| [09:32:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | So does that mean I should run mythbackend manually with as many log options as I can find? |
| [09:32:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | I'm willing to do so to be honest, as i want this issue investigated :-) |
| [09:33:18] | justinh: | -v siparser channel eit |
| [09:33:19] | justinh: | I think |
| [09:34:16] | justinh: | oops -v siparser,channel,eit |
| [09:44:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | ok, cheers justinh :-) |
| [09:45:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | I guess I'll just line up a load of recordings, and try and make it error out :-) |
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| [10:40:27] | Gumby: | hi all. I am trying to figure out my woes with h264 livetv. I am getting this on my frontend "Audio -66 ms behind video but already 75 video frames queued. AV-Sync might be broken." Any ideas how to fix this? |
| [10:40:59] | Gumby: | eventually the frontend crashes |
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| [10:47:00] | pheld: | Gumby: what's you HW? H264/1080i requires a 3GHz+ CPU unless you're running mythtv-trunk with Nvidia's latest Beta drivers and a videocard that support HW-decoding with those. |
| [10:47:57] | Gumby: | pheld: dual core intel 2180 overclocked to 3.0ghz |
| [10:48:06] | Gumby: | and the machine is only running the frontend |
| [10:48:27] | pheld: | backend on separate box? |
| [10:48:49] | pheld: | wireless lan? |
| [10:49:23] | Gumby: | its being recorded on a slave backend. 100mbit lan |
| [10:49:52] | Gumby: | I just recorded a 5 min segment. going to xfer it and play it back with mplayer to see how the box handles it |
| [10:50:08] | Gumby: | allthough, I'm not sure mplayer is a good test |
| [10:50:14] | Gumby: | not sure what would be better |
| [10:50:43] | pheld: | also check that your LAN handles 20Mbit sustained througput with no hickups |
| [10:51:48] | Gumby: | hrm... looks like that switch might be defaulting to 10mbit |
| [10:51:53] | sid3windr: | pheld: ehh, 3GHz+? Nah. |
| [10:52:09] | Gumby: | sid3windr: single core I think |
| [10:53:11] | sid3windr: | oh, P4-style 3GHz? Ya. :P |
| [10:54:36] | pheld: | it's limited by single-core performance. My E6600 (2.4GHz) needs overclocing to 3GHz to handle HD |
| [10:55:22] | Gumby: | hehe, mythtv cant handle the video |
| [10:55:55] | pheld: | except with HW-assist that drops to about 7% with the CPU @ 1.6GHz ;) |
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| [10:57:52] | pheld: | a/that/load |
| [10:58:03] | justinh: | it's not assistance is the CPU load drops that much IMHO |
| [10:58:14] | justinh: | s/is/if |
| [11:00:38] | pheld: | assist/accell whatever ;) |
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| [11:01:07] | sid3windr: | the cpu is assisting the viddypow |
| [11:01:17] | sid3windr: | here's some data. want some more data? okay, here's some data.. |
| [11:04:10] | Gumby: | I moved the recording to my frontend box and then changed the hostname setting in the DB so that it found it on the frontend. however mythfrontend throws up when I try and play it. completely segfaults |
| [11:05:08] | Gumby: | frontend log looks like this http://pastebin.ca/1280603 |
| [11:05:23] | Gumby: | d'oh! |
| [11:05:30] | justinh: | I need to make my svn server at home remotely uploady |
| [11:10:41] | Gumby: | hrm, I disabled the loopfilter in my playback profile and this seems to have improved things a fair bit but still not perfect |
| [11:10:46] | pheld: | Gumby: try "mythfrontend -v playback". May give some more info |
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| [11:11:27] | ** Gumby reads to see what the loopfilter options does ** | |
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| [11:12:06] | laga: | Gumby: loopfilter is a ubuntu specific patch |
| [11:12:07] | laga: | brb |
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| [11:15:57] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Tribune, who supply the data for Schedules Direct has just applied for Chapter 11. |
| [11:16:31] | Gumby: | d'oh!! |
| [11:16:35] | Gumby: | I just renewed too |
| [11:18:40] | pheld: | is it possible to make mythbackend get all EIT-data for one DVB videosource from one particular channel instead of scanning them all? |
| [11:19:09] | jamiem: | pheld: I believe so |
| [11:19:24] | jamiem: | oh; just one channel? |
| [11:19:32] | pheld: | my provider puts only current+next program on individual-channels, but 3–7days for all channel on one particular channel |
| [11:20:04] | justinh: | ruh? shouldn't matter a bit |
| [11:20:19] | pheld: | jamiem: actually 2 out of about 50 channels in the package |
| [11:20:36] | Dibblah: | Active EIT scanning scans all multiplexes. |
| [11:21:16] | pheld: | Dibblah: I know, but it would speed things up a lot if it can be told where to get most info. |
| [11:21:54] | Dibblah: | Search the source for Dishnet. |
| [11:22:01] | Dibblah: | They do the same. |
| [11:22:10] | ** jamiem had to select just one source because of strange behaviour with my card ** | |
| [11:22:51] | jamiem: | strangely, (and I'd hate to tempt fate) having added a second identical card, my USB disconnect and mt timeouts appear to have gone |
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| [11:25:23] | gbee: | finally got my sister |
| [11:25:30] | directhex: | kinky |
| [11:25:31] | gbee: | 's xmas card away to the US |
| [11:25:38] | gbee: | damn keyboard |
| [11:25:53] | jamiem: | LOL |
| [11:26:10] | gbee: | starting to sense that xmas is inevitable now |
| [11:26:52] | justinh: | still don't feel Christmassy at all |
| [11:26:52] | laga: | yeah |
| [11:26:58] | laga: | still need to buy presents |
| [11:27:20] | justinh: | I've seen gaudy LED lights all over, heard the muzak etc... |
| [11:27:38] | laga: | laaast christmas, i gave you my heart.. |
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| [11:28:21] | justinh: | but the very next day, you went postal in the shopping centre & killed 35 people with grenades & your Uzi |
| [11:29:11] | justinh: | wooo just what we all need this xmas: http://hotukdeals.com/visit/?m=6034&q=280541 |
| [11:31:23] | justinh: | shopping tomorrow! |
| [11:31:54] | CaptObviousman: | all I want for Christmas is a pretty little lasagna-making wife |
| [11:32:20] | CaptObviousman: | is that too much to ask? |
| [11:32:36] | justinh: | probably |
| [11:32:41] | laga: | CaptObviousman: that was deep. |
| [11:32:52] | ** CaptObviousman went down to the store to try and find one, but they weren't on sale ** | |
| [11:33:14] | justinh: | try the street corner a few blocks away near the train station |
| [11:33:42] | justinh: | only problem is they'll only want to cook your sock.. and they're only for rent |
| [11:33:55] | gbee: | justinh: refuse cookies from that site and it gets stuck in a redirect loop .... obviously top notch web design |
| [11:34:04] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [11:34:25] | justinh: | http://www.mandmdirect.com/ProductDetail.asp? . . . atalogue=WQ7 |
| [11:35:24] | gbee: | that would be the redirect loop one :) |
| [11:36:12] | ** gbee removes the cookie block ** | |
| [11:36:35] | justinh: | oh gawd here we go again. NO we do not want to go to the stinking work xmas party. how many more times? We do not care about the free booze, free food & free transport. We just do not want to spend time with YOU! |
| [11:36:43] | gbee: | cool |
| [11:36:52] | ** laga is a spoiled brat and will get a new bike for christmas. wee. ** | |
| [11:37:25] | justinh: | comes to something when your employees don't want to go to a xmas bash where there's a free bar innit :D |
| [11:37:51] | justinh: | yes, we resent you that much! |
| [11:37:52] | ** gbee got a monitor or rather that's what I decided to spend the cash gift on ** | |
| [11:37:56] | justinh: | REALLY |
| [11:38:33] | gbee: | free bar ... and a raise? |
| [11:39:03] | laga: | justinh: noone is gonna come or just you? |
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| [11:40:25] | justinh: | laga: nobody in the development dept..very few from upstairs & few from downstairs |
| [11:40:47] | laga: | ouch |
| [11:40:50] | justinh: | they've asked us like 5 times now.. getting desperate |
| [11:42:00] | gbee: | Don't deny them your company, that's probably all they want this Christmas |
| [11:42:18] | justinh: | I'm washing my hair that night anyway |
| [11:43:00] | laga: | justinh: i used that excuse yesterday and got funny looks |
| [11:43:32] | justinh: | it'd be ok if we didn't have to sit through a convoluted 'award in the field of excellence in being Joe Smith' that they give to Joe Smith every year.. and the spiel from the company chairman |
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| [11:44:43] | justinh: | only people going, it seems, are the company whores (literally, according to rumour) who'd go to anything nevermind the principle |
| [11:46:57] | laga: | heh |
| [11:47:08] | laga: | winter sucks. i need to start drinking coffee again |
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| [11:47:12] | justinh: | it's a pity too, since I doubt there'll ever be a party so close to my house again |
| [11:47:20] | justinh: | *work party |
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| [11:48:50] | justinh: | last one I went to, we all sat down late, and then had a 15 course meal. Oh wait, not courses.. they brought people their meals in instalments over the course of an hour |
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| [11:49:35] | justinh: | not even free wine made up for that :) |
| [11:50:16] | laga: | heh |
| [11:50:19] | justinh: | ahh I miss the functions we has when I worked at Sun. A different place every year – on account we got barred from a venue every time |
| [11:50:33] | justinh: | food fights, heckling the entertainment.. |
| [11:51:13] | justinh: | it's not a good night out til you make a female vocalist cry |
| [11:51:33] | laga: | scary |
| [11:51:43] | laga: | you brits are weird |
| [11:51:48] | justinh: | yeah. oh how I miss working with 'the lads' |
| [11:52:37] | justinh: | not the kind of bash you'd want to take your girlfriend, I can tell you. I found that out |
| [11:53:25] | justinh: | laga: the kind of people who work in factories here are er.. hmmm.. well... let's just say some of them don't know how to restrain themselves ;) |
| [11:54:56] | laga: | heh |
| [11:56:02] | justinh: | wow. complete set of The West Wing on DVD for under £50 |
| [11:56:39] | justinh: | 44 discs. that'd quadruple my dvd collection overnight! |
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| [12:01:34] | ruskie: | justinh, lol... sonuds like a blast... |
| [12:01:55] | ruskie: | around here most of us are going to the xmas party... but then we actually have good management(and little of it at that ;) ) |
| [12:02:26] | justinh: | our managers are all wankers. with only one exception |
| [12:02:44] | justinh: | oops. two exceptions |
| [12:03:04] | ruskie: | lol |
| [12:03:09] | ruskie: | we have 3 of them in total :) |
| [12:03:18] | ruskie: | head boss, sales boss and IT boss... :) |
| [12:03:36] | ruskie: | and neither really poke their nose anywhere they aren't needed |
| [12:04:19] | justinh: | I think with some people (me included) it's partly self-preservation. too much booze, talking to the wrong person.. and er.. |
| [12:05:58] | Dibblah: | Bloody ungrateful bastard. |
| [12:06:10] | ruskie: | lol |
| [12:06:25] | Dibblah: | On me assigning a ticket – "it has been assigned for 3 years" |
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| [12:07:26] | ruskie: | justinh, ehh I tend to not drink a ton... if I go through one glass of wine in 3 hours that's a lot for me.. :) |
| [12:07:30] | Dibblah: | I have of course replied. Makes me wonder why on earth I bothered – Until I look at the tickets that others have managed to *close* in the past week due to this cleanup spurning them into action. |
| [12:07:49] | justinh: | ruskie: but what it's free.. all moderation disappears :) |
| [12:07:55] | laga: | Dibblah: you're doing a great job |
| [12:07:57] | Dibblah: | Not that I can take credit for it, of course. |
| [12:08:16] | Dibblah: | I've stopped for the moment – Since work is sucking worse than Debbie Down The Docks. |
| [12:08:38] | laga: | i'll do some triaging during christmas break |
| [12:08:44] | ruskie: | justinh, it's free here as well :) |
| [12:08:51] | ruskie: | justinh, it's called self-preservation ;) |
| [12:09:21] | laga: | i hear alcohol preserves quite well.. |
| [12:09:24] | ruskie: | lol |
| [12:09:30] | justinh: | eeeeeh. you foreigners. |
| [12:09:54] | ** laga is a dirty foreigner ** | |
| [12:10:05] | ** Dibblah is too. ** | |
| [12:10:11] | jblack: | who isn't? |
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| [12:14:07] | ** Dibblah should proof read mails before sending :( ** | |
| [12:14:24] | laga: | i should bring the AC adapter for my laptop |
| [12:14:52] | justinh: | Dibblah: nah somebody has to keep up the air of unnecessary holstility! |
| [12:15:14] | justinh: | hostility, even |
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| [12:16:17] | justinh: | damn. I have to destroy all my objectionable filth by the 29th of January |
| [12:16:23] | laga: | huh? |
| [12:16:25] | laga: | why? |
| [12:17:05] | justinh: | a very vague new law comes into force then |
| [12:17:59] | Dibblah: | Unnecessary? Hostility is a fact of life and people should learn to live with it. ;) |
| [12:18:28] | justinh: | Dibblah: true. we didn't evolve by helping each other out all the time.. |
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| [12:19:11] | justinh: | people really don't like that analogy when you cut into a queue |
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| [13:05:07] | St0n3 is now known as Stone^ | |
| [13:05:13] | Stone^: | hi to all |
| [13:05:18] | Stone^: | anybody alive? :) |
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| [13:09:50] | justinh: | such patience :D |
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| [13:10:33] | justinh: | hope he finds the mythtv-installer-0.22-vista.exe he was looking for |
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| [13:12:07] | stone^: | re 2 all |
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| [13:13:42] | justinh: | hahaha now he's trying in #mythtv |
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| [13:22:54] | punter: | Hi all |
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| [13:55:48] | shankazulu: | hi, i have two tuners (pci and usb) in my mythtv setup, however i was unable to tune in the second tuner (usb) by switching input – i got no signal lock message |
| [13:57:20] | shankazulu: | tuners receive signal from same dvb-t source |
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| [13:59:26] | Dibblah: | shankazulu: Is this a combined card? |
| [13:59:37] | Dibblah: | And what's the splitter between them? |
| [13:59:38] | shankazulu: | dibblah, no |
| [14:00:05] | shankazulu: | i use an ordinary input to two output splitter |
| [14:00:25] | Dibblah: | I've seen before that certain tuners output nasty hash onto the antenna connection, when tuned. |
| [14:00:41] | Dibblah: | The really excessively cheap, ones. |
| [14:01:35] | shankazulu: | in mythtv-setup, both tuners scanned channels o.k. |
| [14:02:44] | shankazulu: | first tuner is a pci wintv 1110 hybrid and the second one is a cheap usb dual tuner from twinhan |
| [14:07:02] | shankazulu: | is there any reason why i'm not getting a signal lock on the 2nd (usb) tuner, maybe incorrect configuration in mythtv-setup? |
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| [14:18:03] | ]Oscar: | iamlindoro: hi |
| [14:18:19] | ]Oscar: | after a lot of lib-install I made the .21-fixes |
| [14:18:53] | ]Oscar: | I don't think it is very full-option, but works. |
| [14:19:04] | ]Oscar: | the bad news is that the problem persist |
| [14:19:20] | ]Oscar: | logs at http://pastebin.com/m39b3b4f1 |
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| [14:21:15] | ]Oscar: | and a video file generated is at: http://www.giulioeanna.it/1201_20081205081157.mpg |
| [14:22:53] | ]Oscar: | and I cannot open such file via mplayer, it does not recognize it... |
| [14:30:19] | shankazulu2: | btw when i said 'no signal lock', i was referring to mythfrontend whereby i watch tv using the pci tuner then tried switching to usb tuner to no avail |
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| [14:51:41] | gbee: | could someone try the tmdb.pl script from trunk in -fixes for me? |
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| [15:25:26] | olejl: | I have a DVB-S card and a CAM which iis working good. If I insert an extra DVB-S card is it possible for this card to to use the CAM connected to card 1? |
| [15:26:51] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:27:03] | justinh: | well, at least not without being a bit naughty |
| [15:28:24] | olejl: | And by that do you mean that it is illegal? |
| [15:28:41] | olejl: | or just that it would require some hacking? |
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| [15:42:51] | ** sid3windr found that the dvb-c guys here activated a second card for me without asking $$ ** | |
| [15:42:55] | sid3windr: | I thought that was pretty cool |
| [15:43:03] | sid3windr: | now if only it would be usable outside their own stb's ;/ |
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| [15:51:34] | clever: | what do people here think of 'PRIMA' hdtv's? |
| [15:52:38] | clever: | http://www.primaamerica.com/ |
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| [15:56:53] | ]Oscar: | ciao iamlindoro! :) |
| [15:57:16] | sid3windr: | ola iamlindoro! :) |
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| [16:01:45] | iamlindoro_: | Tchus! |
| [16:02:19] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: I saw your messages earlier, but I won't have a chance to look at it until this afternoon (It is morning here) |
| [16:02:20] | clever: | no reply? |
| [16:02:54] | iamlindoro_: | I will look at it though-- if mplayer won't play it either, there's a chance you'll need to submit it to the ffmpeg developers to fix support for it-- I will do what I can though |
| [16:08:28] | marenz: | can anybody tell me how to debug why forwarding a recording with 3x works but with 5x works just for some minutes and then simply stops |
| [16:10:12] | directhex: | clever, they can't make a website. think they can make a TV? |
| [16:10:53] | clever: | directhex: good point:P |
| [16:10:54] | clever: | directhex: this hotel has one of the tv's in every room |
| [16:10:54] | clever: | and its being fed with SD signals |
| [16:11:00] | clever: | if i stand close to it, the poor quality is obvious |
| [16:11:23] | directhex: | clever, it's a crap tv. you reckon their upscaling tech cost more than a freaction of a cent? |
| [16:11:34] | clever: | lol |
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| [16:11:45] | clever: | it also has vga inputs |
| [16:12:03] | clever: | i would expect better quality if i drive it at the native resolution |
| [16:12:21] | sid3windr: | did you bring your frontend along? |
| [16:12:58] | clever: | one of my laptops is a frontend at home:P |
| [16:12:59] | ]Oscar: | iamlindoro: I'll wait your news :( |
| [16:13:04] | clever: | but the binarys&recordings arent on it |
| [16:13:17] | clever: | everything was stored on nfs |
| [16:13:33] | clever: | but it would function for a dvd player |
| [16:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | Out of curiosity, as I missed the beginning of this, it appears you're traveling. When clever goes traveling, how many computers does he have with him? |
| [16:15:24] | directhex: | twelvety |
| [16:15:29] | clever: | we took 2 laptops:P |
| [16:15:37] | clever: | one for me and dads work laptop |
| [16:15:59] | sid3windr: | what was the production year of the laptops? |
| [16:16:01] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, i want a new pc. find someone to buy my old one for a good price |
| [16:16:03] | sid3windr: | before or after 1990? |
| [16:16:08] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [16:16:18] | clever: | sid3windr: the 2nd laptop is a core2duo 1.8ghz |
| [16:16:36] | iamlindoro_: | clever: When it's a laptop that belongs to someone else, you don't get to claim it |
| [16:16:47] | clever: | the 1st is a 1.6ghz P4 |
| [16:16:52] | clever: | iamlindoro_: the 1st one is basicaly mine now |
| [16:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Ummmmmmmmmmmmm Hm. |
| [16:16:58] | clever: | and the hinges are blown |
| [16:17:02] | iamlindoro_: | clever: Too much stank to scour off of it? |
| [16:17:12] | clever: | lol |
| [16:17:21] | clever: | mostly hair&food in the keyboard:P |
| [16:17:28] | iamlindoro_: | There just isn't enough air freshener for some situations |
| [16:17:32] | iamlindoro_: | you are repulsive |
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| [16:18:08] | iamlindoro_: | When I imagine you in my mind I think of distorions in the air around you from whatever you are outgassing |
| [16:18:19] | clever: | lol |
| [16:18:28] | clever: | i dont fart that much:P |
| [16:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | outgassing != farting |
| [16:19:47] | clever: | what other orfices do gases exit thru on a regular basis? |
| [16:19:50] | ]Oscar is now known as ]Oscar_away | |
| [16:19:54] | clever: | other then normal breathing |
| [16:21:06] | iamlindoro_: | clever: Lots of solid materials expel gases. It's a concern for air quality in environments with lots of plastics/etc. Outgassing is the release of gasses from solid materials. |
| [16:21:18] | clever: | ahh |
| [16:21:24] | clever: | that type of outgasing |
| [16:22:32] | clever: | since when was i a solid material? |
| [16:22:57] | iamlindoro_: | Unless you became non-corporeal recently.. |
| [16:23:31] | iamlindoro_: | This conversation is dumb, and I am done with it. You stink. The end. |
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| [16:24:21] | laga: | wow, that "arguing on the internet" class really shows, iamlindoro_ |
| [16:24:43] | iamlindoro_: | laga: It's part of my court-ordered anger management ;) |
| [16:24:47] | clever: | im more fleshy then solid:P |
| [16:24:55] | _abbenormal: | lmao |
| [16:25:21] | _abbenormal: | get a couple of cups of joe in ya and that will change |
| [16:25:31] | laga: | joe? |
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| [16:25:42] | _abbenormal: | java aka coffee |
| [16:25:45] | laga: | ah |
| [16:25:58] | _abbenormal: | hi iamlindoro_ |
| [16:26:03] | iamlindoro_: | Hi _abbenormal |
| [16:26:26] | _abbenormal: | so your not awake yet i see lol |
| [16:26:39] | laga: | me? |
| [16:26:48] | _abbenormal: | iamlindoro_, |
| [16:27:10] | iamlindoro_: | I'm awake, was away for four days, need to get back into insulting clever slowly |
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| [16:27:18] | iamlindoro_: | Don't want to pull a muscle |
| [16:27:19] | _abbenormal: | ive seen him in better form |
| [16:27:25] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [16:28:21] | _abbenormal: | mornin anyway |
| [16:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | good morning |
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| [16:30:37] | gbee: | anyone here running two monitors of an NVDIA IGP? Getting occassional flickering etc on the second (D-Sub) screen and wondered if anyone had a solution |
| [16:31:42] | dustybin: | what does IGP mean? |
| [16:31:45] | sphery: | Ughh... Web sites that have constraints on which special characters can be used in a password /really/ should check passwords before saving them in the DB... |
| [16:31:57] | sphery: | integrated graphics (processor?) |
| [16:32:27] | dustybin: | most laptops use IGP? |
| [16:33:56] | justinh: | no, most laptops use full-size PCIe cards with SLI. problem there is they tend to stick out a bit at the side |
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| [16:34:25] | iamlindoro_: | most decent laptops use the mobile versions of various GPUs, which for all intents and purposes might as well be IGP |
| [16:35:00] | moodboom: | gbee i have an nvidia card (not IGP), but i see flicker on my second monitor sometimes – i don't have a fix but a workaround for me is to reselect the refresh rate with nvidia-settings, it goes away until i reboot |
| [16:35:16] | gbee: | Nvidia didn't even have a proper IGP to relatively recently – afaik the 8200 was the first |
| [16:36:21] | gbee: | can't reselect the refresh rate, only one is supported at the screens native res so nvidia-settings doesn't even offer the choice |
| [16:36:59] | moodboom: | gbee i dont think it even matters if i change settings, just hitting OK seems to fix it – weird, i know |
| [16:37:16] | gbee: | played with nvidia-settings, didn't do any good :/ |
| [16:37:26] | moodboom: | prolly just a flaky monitor on my side :P |
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| [16:37:43] | directhex: | dear universe, shower me with riches plz. love directhex |
| [16:37:55] | moodboom: | a pair of old (HUGE) crt's i pulled out of the neighbor's garbage (i guess he upgraded) :P |
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| [16:38:30] | gbee: | I've seen mention that this problem may not affect all drivers, guess I'll have to revert to 17x.xx |
| [16:41:23] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: So can you only get 1 x analog and 1 x digital at a time on the card? Wonder if I can get 2 x digital out of the 9300 |
| [16:41:31] | sphery: | "I hacked data for a video I wanted in Watch Recordings into my database and it doesn't show up in Watch Recordings. Anyone know how to fix Myth?" Gotta love how no one even considers the garbage in/garbage out solution. |
| [16:41:35] | iamlindoro_: | s/card/your IGP/ |
| [16:42:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: seems so, at the very least I don't have an HDMI->DVI adapter to test |
| [16:42:36] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: There are a couple of doozies on the -users list right now. Notice the DB corruption has been showing up more and more-- also there's the guy who applied the HD-PVR *patches* when they first came out and forgot about it, and is confused and thinks there's a bug in trunk |
| [16:43:19] | gbee: | this flickering renders the second screen useless :/ |
| [16:43:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'm torn between mentioning that there is (IIRC) a commit message mentioning that you needed to remove and re-add the card once the HD-PVR recording profiles were added, or wait until he files a bug so that it can be closed invalid ;) |
| [16:44:07] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: And I assume you're stuck at the native res only too? curious if it's any different at other res |
| [16:44:37] | sphery: | yeah, I saw that one and was 99.9999% positive he was completely wrong on it, but couldn't explain why he was wrong, so I figured I'd leave it to someone more knowledgeable. |
| [16:44:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18089 |
| [16:45:01] | gbee: | I can try a lower res |
| [16:46:14] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: A great argument for "why are you using trunk if you are not following commits?" |
| [16:46:52] | sphery: | Is the DB corruption one the one I've been replying to? If so, it's a valid issue that I'm going to try to work out. It seems that DISTINCT and indices treat duplicates differently (i.e. if we have garbage characters in a column, the index only uses the data until the first garbage character, whereas DISTINCT looks at all--even garbage and what follows--characters) |
| [16:47:18] | sphery: | you're not using 180.11 for VDPAU, are you? |
| [16:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ISTR multiple threads about corruption, at least one of which I thought, "This person has hacked their DB" |
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| [16:47:34] | iamlindoro_: | who, me? I am using 180.11 |
| [16:47:39] | sphery: | Just curious |
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| [16:48:06] | sphery: | and current trunk is working fine with VDPAU? |
| [16:48:23] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. Well, within reasonable expactions of VDPAU for where it is right now |
| [16:48:29] | iamlindoro_: | er expectation |
| [16:48:46] | sphery: | (I can't be more specific about "current" because the OP on the list just said, "latest trunk"--which is so annoying.) |
| [16:48:53] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [16:48:59] | iamlindoro_: | ah, this is w/r/t a thread? |
| [16:49:15] | sphery: | Just wondering. Someone on the list is complaining that it's not working. I suggested rolling back to older drivers--probably should have just kept out. |
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| [16:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | There are obviously little things that don't work right, that's just the nature of the beast I think. |
| [16:49:32] | gbee: | well lower res didn't help any |
| [16:49:33] | sphery: | Oh, there's the rev--in the subject only. |
| [16:49:43] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: :( |
| [16:49:52] | sphery: | didn't see it 'til I copied the subject to look up the reference. :) |
| [16:50:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/361178#361178 |
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| [16:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I updated last night and it was still working properly, and that's on an IGP which should be less capable if anything |
| [16:52:05] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I may have mentioned some info on thetvdb.com script... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-December/063924.html |
| [16:53:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: cool. It's probably user error/configuration/something (maybe he bricked his GPU, like someone we all know :) |
| [16:54:03] | iamlindoro_: | ooooh, did I miss GPU bricking? |
| [16:54:49] | sid3windr: | who be dat! |
| [16:54:55] | sid3windr: | (and how do you do this?!) |
| [16:54:56] | sphery: | kormoc has a permanent (old) MythTV OSD in any video that's decoded through VDPAU. He may try to find a Windows box and try playing a video with PureVideo to see what happens. |
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| [16:55:34] | iamlindoro_: | werid! |
| [16:55:36] | iamlindoro_: | er weird! |
| [16:55:40] | sid3windr: | werd. |
| [16:55:46] | sphery: | And--believe it or not--the guy isn't complaining that it's all a scheme by nvidia to just make him buy a new GPU. Didn't he learn anything from that announcement thread? |
| [16:55:53] | justinh: | ruh? |
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| [16:56:47] | justinh: | sphery: the rub with purevideo is that there are only like TWO players that support – and you have to buy them |
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| [16:57:28] | clever: | sphery: can mythfrontend disable that osd durring playback? |
| [16:57:32] | justinh: | apparently you can't just whack a driver on & fiddle a directx thingy to do it |
| [16:58:06] | justinh: | and how the hell do you brick a GPU? doing a BIOS update? |
| [16:58:18] | justinh: | or yanking the HSF off? ;) |
| [16:58:26] | gbee: | probably speaking too soon, but a reboot looks to have cured it somehow |
| [16:58:42] | gbee: | really hope that it stays that way |
| [16:58:44] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Sounds like the kind of thing one among us could manage |
| [16:58:47] | clever: | gbee: so it could just be a flag stuck in the ram |
| [16:59:33] | gbee: | heh |
| [17:01:18] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, and he doesn't have any Windows boxes, either, so he's looking for a Windows box with the appropriate DVD player programs. :) |
| [17:01:58] | sphery: | but, he was hacking VDPAU code and now VDPAU has a "burned in" OSD |
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| [17:02:20] | sphery: | If you've got ideas for how to fix it, though, he's the one to tell. :) |
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| [17:02:44] | clever: | sphery: who was? |
| [17:03:32] | gbee: | think I'll just save a couple of hours of my life and delete this Star Wars Phantom Menace recording |
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| [17:06:47] | sphery: | gbee: It's better to just wait for the Family Guy version. (I heard they got the green light to do "the rest of the Star Wars movies" after the success of "Blue Harvest".) |
| [17:07:12] | gbee: | fantastic :) |
| [17:07:17] | laga: | i found "Blue Harvest" totally not funny |
| [17:07:28] | gbee: | really? I loved it |
| [17:07:56] | laga: | i love family guy, but that just didn't cut it |
| [17:08:39] | sphery: | I loved it. The choice of which character played which character was classic. |
| [17:08:58] | laga: | i watched it in german, that probably ruined it |
| [17:09:04] | laga: | maybe i'll have to watch it again |
| [17:09:58] | gbee: | I loved the 5 frames that Meg got in that episode |
| [17:10:07] | sphery: | I just watched it a second time (since Myth saw the two 30-minute episodes as not a repeat of the one 1-hr episode). I normally never watch shows a second time. |
| [17:10:21] | sphery: | Yeah, the monster in the trash. :) |
| [17:11:30] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /241247.html |
| [17:11:40] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Odds of this getting a snooty response? |
| [17:11:55] | jamiem: | I've seen none of the Star Wars films so I don't get many of the references :( |
| [17:12:05] | sphery: | I loved the discussion of the hole in the Death Star... |
| [17:12:24] | gbee: | sphery: it's the only Family Guy that I've not deleted after watching, I'll probably file it in mythvideo especially if they do more of them |
| [17:12:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Nice. It's probably not his fault, though. He normally reads every single one, but somehow that one slipped by. |
| [17:13:01] | gbee: | how does anyone not see a single Star Wars film? |
| [17:13:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: That's *exactly* what I'm anticipating |
| [17:13:05] | sphery: | (that was sarcasm, btw) |
| [17:14:18] | jamiem: | I like some Star Trek |
| [17:14:26] | jamiem: | Next Generation and Voyager :) |
| [17:14:29] | sphery: | i've never actually bought anything off woot, but for some reason the woot off is addictive |
| [17:16:27] | justinh: | gbee: I've not seen any of the three prequels to this very day. I hope to make it through the rest of my life this way too |
| [17:16:54] | gbee: | never bought into the later series of Star Trek – Next Gen was just far too PC and clean cut, Voyager just built on that and irritated me for reasons I can't wholly define |
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| [17:17:43] | gbee: | although I watched it as a kid, I can't even watch the original series because it's just a little too corny and low budget, but I loved a couple of the original cast films |
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| [17:17:58] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Agreed completely-- although the new trailer for the new movie definitely has piqued my interest |
| [17:18:21] | justinh: | TNG is great at 2x |
| [17:18:27] | gbee: | justinh: keep it that way, you never want to see those three films |
| [17:18:36] | dustybin: | im going to sit down and watch star wars episode 1–6 in sequence one day soon |
| [17:18:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, J.J. Abrams, right? |
| [17:18:47] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yeah! |
| [17:18:55] | iamlindoro_: | (who I also enjoy) |
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| [17:19:01] | justinh: | dustybin: and after watching the 'first' two & you've lost the will to live? |
| [17:19:15] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: one can only hope |
| [17:19:16] | gbee: | dustybin: start it off in the morning, go out and do the shopping just in time to catch the last three |
| [17:19:18] | dustybin: | no way! |
| [17:19:24] | dustybin: | gbee: indeed |
| [17:19:27] | sphery: | So, I'm sure the movie will open up 100's of questions and not give us any answers. (I actually don't hate that as much as most--I loved Cloverfield even though it didn't have any answers.) |
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| [17:19:49] | dustybin: | also want to watch lord of the rings in sequence soon to |
| [17:19:56] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I dunno, it's not fair to draw that conclusion until lost is *over* |
| [17:20:07] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: And since there's a definite conclusion date I have high hopes |
| [17:20:37] | gbee: | Enterprise was disappointing on several levels, but mostly I was hoping for something more modern, gritty and maybe even more adult |
| [17:20:38] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure that we viewers (only) will never get the benefit of much of the info that's revealed in the alternate reality games. |
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| [17:22:59] | sphery: | gbee: pretty sure that adult themes went out when the Mrs took over (so to speak) |
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| [17:23:26] | iamlindoro_: | I have hopes for the movie, though, looks promising-- I enjoy that same stuff (adult, gritty) |
| [17:23:43] | afm: | anyone playing with the hauppauge 1212 hd-pvr yet? |
| [17:24:04] | iamlindoro_: | afm: Many people are, you should ask a specific question (and don't use the "1212," we just call it the HD-PVR) |
| [17:24:24] | afm: | i'm not looking for support, just user experiences so far |
| [17:25:06] | jams: | iamlindoro_ how many stars do you give the hdpvr? |
| [17:25:07] | iamlindoro_: | "It works." |
| [17:25:35] | iamlindoro_: | jams: On a scale of mythtv-users to mythtv-dev, I give it a mythtv-commits |
| [17:26:24] | jams: | real commits or just trac traffic from ticket triage? |
| [17:26:34] | iamlindoro_: | Hmmm, real commits. |
| [17:27:13] | jams: | works for me. |
| [17:27:45] | ** iamlindoro_ -> Assigned. ** | |
| [17:27:50] | ** iamlindoro_ -> blocker ** | |
| [17:30:22] | jams: | took the day off so I could work on some stuff around the house, but really don't really like doing anything |
| [17:30:44] | laga: | jams: do some work now and chill out later? |
| [17:31:18] | jams: | it's much more satisfying doing while on the job |
| [17:31:19] | laga: | i need a good book on time management. i don't want to spend my evenings working ;) |
| [17:31:38] | jams: | *doing nothing |
| [17:31:45] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Can confirm that using the same driver and trunk revision as the -users guy, my VDPAU works fine |
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| [17:36:47] | dustybin: | is a 8 series nvidia GPU more powerful than a Intel C2D 2.5 CPU when it comes to decoding and encoding? |
| [17:37:26] | iamlindoro_: | That question doesn't make any sense |
| [17:38:16] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: imagine i want to rip a movie with handbrake, i use VDPAU for one movie, and the CPU for the same movie, what would work fastest? |
| [17:38:17] | iamlindoro_: | decoding what? encoding what? At what bitrates? For playback or for other purposes? And encoding *only* if you have written a CUDA encoder... which I doubt you have. |
| [17:38:40] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: a dvd, x264, 1800 bitrate |
| [17:38:54] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: See above, unless you have written a CUDA encoder, then the question is irrelevant |
| [17:39:20] | iamlindoro_: | and that encoder would need to be a direct port of a software encoder otherwise quality will differ too |
| [17:39:21] | aaronp: | dustybin: VDPAU is the Video DECODE and Presentation API for UNIX. |
| [17:39:30] | dustybin: | hmm ok, was just trying to compare a CPU with VDPAU |
| [17:39:41] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:39:47] | aaronp: | You want to compare the CPU with a CUDA-based encoder such as http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15763 |
| [17:40:01] | dustybin: | eek ok |
| [17:40:05] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: So compare decode. And yes, in general VDPAU will decode more efficiently than a CPU of that speed |
| [17:40:19] | dustybin: | nice |
| [17:40:23] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: And even with those CUDA encoders, they will *not* produce output as nice as a software encoder currently. |
| [17:40:43] | dustybin: | but that will soon change! |
| [17:40:55] | iamlindoro_: | Why? Are you porting x264 to CUDA? |
| [17:41:08] | dustybin: | yep, i been busy all morning :-S |
| [17:41:18] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure |
| [17:41:31] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Are you using the 180.11 driver on an everyday machine now? I have been holding off as my only nVidia card is on my main frontend/backend machine. I am using mythtv trunk due to my HD-PVR. |
| [17:41:34] | dustybin: | I'll just carry on being a shmuck :P |
| [17:43:14] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Yes, my frontends are all using 180.11, but not always using VDPAU. When I left for the weekend, I swapped back to xv for my housesitter, VDPAU works great but isn't always predictable |
| [17:44:04] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks just the kind of measured information I was looking for. |
| [17:44:39] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: It's getting there, it'll just take a bit of time-- fun to play with but you probably want to be present to switch renderers if anyone else is using it |
| [17:44:56] | RDV_Linux: | I will probable try it when I have worked out how to safely revert back to my current setup. |
| [17:45:22] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: It's really just a matter of playback profiles, you can swap between xv-blit and VDPAU without much trouble |
| [17:45:55] | RDV_Linux: | I will follow that advise. Thanks |
| [17:47:25] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [17:47:49] | sphery: | heh... Transcoding 1080p video to iPhone. Why would someone who has a 1080p video decide, "Rather than watch this in my 60" HDTV, I'll watch it at low-res/low-bitrate on my 2.5" iPhone screen"? |
| [17:47:58] | sphery: | (from that techreport link, above) |
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| [17:49:30] | dashcloud: | they want a super-clean source to work from? |
| [17:49:46] | sphery: | For those who don't want to pay 2x as much for 2x the storage, Seagate Barracuda 750GB SATA/300 7200RPM 32mb Cache for $59.99 (plus $5 S&H) on woot right now (woot off) |
| [17:49:59] | dashcloud: | there's another wootoff already? |
| [17:50:10] | sphery: | dashcloud: but why not just watch the original on a real screen? |
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| [17:51:27] | sphery: | but the 750GB for $59.99 + $5 S&H is the same cost per gig as a 1.5TB for $129.99 (newegg) |
| [17:51:37] | dashcloud: | maybe they have a long commute, and want to watch videos? |
| [17:52:11] | dashcloud: | (but the real reason is "because they can", and someone's willing to buy software with those features, I'm sure) |
| [17:54:31] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [17:59:03] | sphery: | #4989 is a /very/ annoying ticket. Just a bunch of people who don't understand how it's supposed to work whining. And, they don't realize they can /either/ use "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" and map a NEXTCARD binding /or/ disable "Avoid conflicts..." and not need the NEXTCARD binding. |
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| [18:25:32] | moodboom: | anyone have any luck dealing with the 1.5TB seagate drives? i'm hoping if i pay attention to the firmware i won't get too badly burned |
| [18:26:28] | iamlindoro_: | BOO Seagate |
| [18:26:54] | dustybin: | WD DRW |
| [18:26:56] | dustybin: | FTW |
| [18:27:21] | moodboom: | the siren call of the 1.5TB is calling me to the rocks, tho... |
| [18:27:44] | ** dustybin waits for 2.0TB drives ** | |
| [18:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | Should #5990 not be closed invalid/illegal? |
| [18:28:29] | iamlindoro_: | It's a patch to support EIT for something you would HAVE to use Sass Kenji to have. |
| [18:30:06] | iamlindoro_: | #5994 and #5997 are also identical AFAICT |
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| [18:42:10] | sphery: | moodboom: I have 3 of them. Upgraded firmware on 2. Haven't noticed problems, yet, but they're all still new. |
| [18:43:50] | dustybin: | rule no.1 *never* buy first revisions of something new |
| [18:44:06] | dustybin: | yay 1.5 TB maybe, give it 6 months to settle.. |
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| [18:45:02] | sphery: | dustybin: I have 2 different revisions of the 1.5TB hard drive (and there are several total) |
| [18:45:41] | ** iamlindoro_ just got 4 x 1 TB WD greens today ** | |
| [18:46:04] | sphery: | though your point is valid in a more general sense (waiting for a different newer model of the drive may be a good idea) |
| [18:46:42] | kormoc: | I'm such a WD Black guy |
| [18:46:54] | dustybin: | green ftw |
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| [18:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Have been really satisfied with the WD greens, nice and quiet and the reduced power consumption is a nice plus too |
| [18:50:27] | kormoc: | I'm a fan of the speed :P |
| [18:50:38] | kormoc: | 32 mb cache == happy happy joy joy |
| [18:51:11] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, found the root of my backend hanging problems. |
| [18:51:15] | RDV_Linux: | Please help I am getting an errors compiling mythtv plugins from trunk (r19300). http://pastebin.ca/1280909 Mythtv itself compiled fine. I have successfully compiled plugins from trunk in the past. |
| [18:52:37] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Did you make install on mythtv already? And make distclean on everything first? |
| [18:53:23] | RDV_Linux: | No I did not install mythtv I just did the compile. I did do a make distclean. |
| [18:53:36] | iamlindoro_: | you can't compile plugins without isntalling myth first |
| [18:53:58] | RDV_Linux: | I was wondering. Thanks |
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| [18:56:10] | dustybin: | if i use multi rec on 2x tuners, 3x encoders on each tuner, and i'm watching TV, if my sister starts to watch TV downstairs, MythTV doesnt seem to use the other spare tuner, instead it uses the same tuner, but is restricted to channels what are on the same mux, if i dont use multi-rec, i dont have this problem |
| [18:57:18] | iamlindoro_: | see sphery's complaint from an hour or two ago about people not paying attention |
| [18:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | actually almost EXACTLY an hour ago |
| [18:57:37] | sphery: | dustybin: map a key to NEXTCARD and you can switch one of the LiveTV instances to use a different card so you can watch a channel on a different mux |
| [18:58:22] | dustybin: | sphery: i know you can manually swap the tuner, but would be nice if mythtv automatically used the spare tuner, when multi-rec is used |
| [18:58:32] | sphery: | And, if you'd like to do me a very big favor (so I don't have to look at the code), try disabling Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings and see if it chooses input 1 and then input 2 (both on the same card) for the 1st 2 LiveTV instances |
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| [19:00:42] | sphery: | dustybin: if the avoid conflicts thing doesn't work, I have another (more effort) approach that should work |
| [19:00:45] | dustybin: | sphery: Avoid conflics between live TV and scheduled shows is ticked |
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| [19:00:58] | dustybin: | that works fine without multi-rec |
| [19:01:02] | sphery: | right, uncheck it and see what happens when you start 2 livetv instances |
| [19:01:14] | sphery: | i.e. which inputs are in use |
| [19:01:16] | dustybin: | my sister is watching tv downstairs now... |
| [19:01:21] | dustybin: | she might get pissed off |
| [19:01:36] | iamlindoro_: | It's not going to stop her livetv |
| [19:01:44] | dustybin: | ok here we go |
| [19:01:53] | sphery: | though it will make the test useless if she doesn't exit and re-enter LiveTV, too |
| [19:02:17] | dustybin: | sphery: while im here, Allow live TV to move scheduled shows is also ticked, should i untick that? |
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| [19:02:54] | sphery: | I would never ever enable that because my recordings are important and LiveTV is never important to me, but it makes no difference in this case |
| [19:03:02] | sphery: | (i.e. personal preference) |
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| [19:03:44] | dustybin: | live not being interrupted is more important in my case |
| [19:03:45] | dustybin: | tv |
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| [19:04:07] | sphery: | I still don't get the concept of LiveTV |
| [19:04:28] | dustybin: | explain that to my sister.. |
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| [19:04:49] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:04:49] | dustybin: | Encoder 5 is local on private and is watching Live TV: 'Emmerdale' on ITV1. This recording will end at 7:30 PM. |
| [19:04:56] | dustybin: | that is all whats happening at the moment |
| [19:05:08] | dustybin: | how can i tell what tuner the encoder is using ? |
| [19:05:19] | sphery: | is that her LiveTV session from before switching the avoid conflicts setting? |
| [19:05:23] | dustybin: | yes |
| [19:05:59] | sphery: | which specific virtual tuner is used is not really important, just whether it's using the same or different cards |
| [19:06:16] | dustybin: | yep |
| [19:06:19] | sphery: | but, until you restart both livetv sessions with the avoid conflicts setting disabled, you won't know |
| [19:07:25] | dustybin: | ill need to change her frontend settings too |
| [19:08:15] | sphery: | actually, that's a global setting, so only need to change it once |
| [19:08:19] | dustybin: | shit i have some recordings at 9:00pm, she might get stuck in the same mux |
| [19:08:25] | sphery: | just need to restart livetv |
| [19:08:58] | dustybin: | how can one tell if a frontend setting is global or now? |
| [19:09:00] | dustybin: | not? |
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| [19:09:37] | dustybin: | "where have all my channels goooooooooooooone??" |
| [19:10:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: #5997 ? Doen't exist, yet. |
| [19:10:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: thanks, corrected |
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| [19:12:15] | sphery: | dustybin: gone because the cards are busy recording shows? |
| [19:12:53] | dustybin: | sphery: thats what my sister will shout if she gets stuck in the same mux, im scared! |
| [19:12:59] | sphery: | oh |
| [19:13:28] | dustybin: | really, i need another Nova-T 500 dual tuner |
| [19:13:38] | iamlindoro_: | You could get a job and then be at it when she discovers it. Everyone wins! |
| [19:13:38] | dustybin: | but i dont have any PCI slots left |
| [19:13:52] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: there are no jobs left |
| [19:13:52] | iamlindoro_: | This is why they make slave backends |
| [19:13:56] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: BULL |
| [19:14:11] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: 8 million unemployed, 6000 vacancies |
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| [19:14:27] | sphery: | "Use OpenGL as video timebase"???? When people post incorrect names of settings that sound like multiple existing settings, it probably confuses a few users out there... |
| [19:14:30] | iamlindoro_: | so why aren't you out flipping burgers? |
| [19:14:44] | sphery: | From "HELP: What is meaning of "NVP: Video is 16.2157 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down."" on -users |
| [19:14:50] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: there are no jobs in places like that either, ive tried the local supermarket, no go |
| [19:15:08] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: So *keep* trying, you should be out right now looking. |
| [19:15:15] | RDV_Linux: | WOW has the response time of Mythweb ever improved in trunk. Great work, thanks to whoever. |
| [19:15:24] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: im thinking about travelling to Australia for a year, a agency i spoke to said there are jobs out there |
| [19:15:26] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Kormoc did it |
| [19:15:38] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: And yes, it's a massive improvement |
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| [19:17:21] | Josh_Borke: | i have a hauppauge 1800 that i'm not sure how to configure for mythtv. ideally i'd like to use the mpeg2 encoded video stream so I was wondering what sort of input device i should set it as for mythtv 0.21 |
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| [19:18:19] | RDV_Linux: | Kormoc, hats off to you. |
| [19:18:20] | iamlindoro_: | You cannot use the HVR-1800's analog side with Myth currently. Digital should work fine as a DVB card |
| [19:18:36] | ** kormoc bows ** | |
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| [19:19:23] | ** dustybin blinks furiously ** | |
| [19:19:44] | ** GreyFoxx ponders why his mythweb flash streaming no longer seems to work ** | |
| [19:20:22] | kormoc: | apache error logs! :) |
| [19:20:51] | kormoc: | although, I do believe I broke pre 5.2 php's with that one commit, I have a fix but not commited yet |
| [19:21:07] | GreyFoxx: | using 5.2.4 here |
| [19:21:49] | GreyFoxx: | nothingin the error log of course *sigh* |
| [19:21:58] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: How about this one-- mine works on the local network, but fails outside it :( |
| [19:22:35] | GreyFoxx: | doh :) |
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| [19:22:48] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, https? |
| [19:22:52] | Josh_Borke: | iamlindoro_: what is needed to provide support for it? |
| [19:23:13] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: naw, just http |
| [19:23:16] | GreyFoxx: | oooh. I AM using https in this case. *switches* |
| [19:23:21] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: where it = ? |
| [19:23:44] | Josh_Borke: | iamlindoro_: sorry, what is needed to provide support for HVR-1800's analog side? |
| [19:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: For someone to write a new card type into myth |
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| [19:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | or expand the current mpeg-2 encoder card type to encompass non-ivtv cards |
| [19:25:11] | GreyFoxx: | ooh, getting Internal server error |
| [19:25:50] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, it *might* have been my stream module changes, if you updated between the working/non |
| [19:26:52] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't used it in about a month until updating several days ago |
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| [19:32:14] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: I home Me and that MarkG fellow having usurped your Nvnews thread :) |
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| [19:47:09] | Dagmar: | Someone in my office has just made a huge mistake. *sigh* |
| [19:47:52] | Dagmar: | Tip: Don't try to play politics games against a BOFH. |
| [19:48:09] | laga: | --verbose |
| [19:49:01] | Dagmar: | A complaint came through th HR department about my girlfriend "camping out" at the office during my shift. |
| [19:49:09] | meshe: | I only found one old answer to this, wondering if it's changed: If you have a backend with 1 tuner card with 2 frontends, can they both watch the channel that the backend is tuned to? |
| [19:49:14] | clever: | what are the legal rules on downloading a tv episode after recording it with mythtv? |
| [19:49:25] | Dagmar: | Considering that about once a week she shows up about 45 minutes before I get off work, someone |
| [19:49:27] | GreyFoxx: | Its not legal in most places |
| [19:49:31] | clever: | technicaly i allready have a copy on the system, im just getting a better encoding of it |
| [19:49:34] | Dagmar: | 's just making things up to justify not getting themselves fired. |
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| [19:49:47] | GreyFoxx: | clever: You are entitled to make your own copy of the source you are given |
| [19:49:47] | clever: | GreyFoxx: what if i own a dvd of the show? |
| [19:49:52] | Dagmar: | clever: bit-rate upgrading is not a "fair use" |
| [19:49:57] | GreyFoxx: | if you forget to program the vcr that's your problem |
| [19:50:03] | GreyFoxx: | if you don't pay for hdtv that's tough |
| [19:50:09] | Dagmar: | clever: If you want to cut a deal, beg to your parents. |
| [19:50:16] | Dagmar: | Copyright lawyers don't give two craps. |
| [19:50:48] | GreyFoxx: | Just cause a TV channel you have airs a show doesn't tgive you free copy rights to that show in all forms forever |
| [19:51:00] | Dagmar: | laga: Suffice it to say, all the stuff I've been cutting this person some slack on is about to get them fired |
| [19:51:02] | clever: | ok |
| [19:51:04] | GreyFoxx: | Make your own copy, or buy one. Else read a book :) |
| [19:51:12] | laga: | Dagmar: ouch. |
| [19:51:48] | Dagmar: | laga: Yeah, I don't screw around when crossed, and I've been crossed by someone who's been steadfastly dragging their feet on learning how to do this job. |
| [19:52:05] | Dagmar: | The fact that they can't properly wire up a bloody rack is about to get them fired |
| [19:52:12] | Dagmar: | ...which is just sad. |
| [19:52:28] | sphery: | meshe: Yes, they can both watch the same recording at the same time; however, only one of them can watch LiveTV at a time, though. However, since LiveTV is just a recording, the other can watch the LiveTV recording through the Watch Recordings screen. When the program changes, though, the one watching the LiveTV as a recording will have to find the next LiveTV recording and start watching it as a recording. |
| [19:53:18] | meshe: | thanks sphery, that was the answer i found, it was just a couple years old |
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| [19:54:33] | clever: | GreyFoxx: what if i own a bluray copy of the show, but have no bluray players, am i allowed to download rips of the disk? |
| [19:54:35] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, yeah, I noticed :P |
| [19:55:03] | iamlindoro_: | clever: No. |
| [19:55:09] | meshe: | clever: depends on where you live |
| [19:55:15] | clever: | canada! |
| [19:55:15] | meshe: | in the US no, in Canada, yes |
| [19:55:25] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: DOWNLOAD, not rip |
| [19:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | and no, you cannot download it. |
| [19:55:37] | iamlindoro_: | You can likely rip it if you want. |
| [19:55:40] | meshe: | our fair use rights have not been totally eroded yet |
| [19:55:43] | clever: | but what if i have no drive to actualy rip it with? |
| [19:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | then you get to read a book as previously mentioned. |
| [19:56:26] | GreyFoxx: | clever: No |
| [19:56:30] | GreyFoxx: | clever: Irrelevant |
| [19:56:31] | meshe: | there have been no successful cases against downloaders in Canada yet |
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| [19:56:45] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: That has nothing to do with legality. |
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| [19:57:10] | meshe: | you are allowed according to our case law to download 1 copy for personal use |
| [19:57:29] | meshe: | that is why they are trying so hard to get Bill C-61 through |
| [19:57:37] | iamlindoro_: | completely false. Please cite relevant court decision. |
| [19:57:57] | clever: | what about downloading something, then buying the dvd at a later time? |
| [19:58:08] | ** sphery thinks anyone giving out that advice should also attach proof of his credentials in law... ** | |
| [19:58:20] | gbee: | or her |
| [19:58:20] | kormoc: | clever, Go seek professional legal advice |
| [19:58:25] | sphery: | (and anyone taking that advice deserves whatever happens to him :) |
| [19:58:37] | Dagmar: | clever: f**king STOP IT |
| [19:58:37] | GreyFoxx: | clever: Stop being stupid. Youv'e been answered |
| [19:58:44] | Dagmar: | clever: This isn't something you freaking begotiate. |
| [19:58:50] | Dagmar: | Wbat you want to do is ILLEGAL |
| [19:58:51] | meshe: | http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/internet/do . . . g_music.html |
| [19:58:54] | clever: | i'll just go away then:P |
| [19:58:57] | gbee: | guys, /ignore clever |
| [19:59:02] | Dagmar: | Stop f**king trying to cut a deal and suck it up |
| [19:59:10] | Dagmar: | Dimwit |
| [19:59:10] | meshe: | quote: The ruling stipulates that: Downloading a song for personal use is not an infringement. Placing a song in an on-line music-sharing directory such as Kazaa is not considered distribution. |
| [19:59:43] | meshe: | until C-61 goes through, our rights in regards to media is very, very loose |
| [19:59:46] | sphery: | so, you |
| [19:59:52] | kormoc: | gbee, yeah, I always forget to sync up my ignore lists |
| [19:59:53] | sphery: | Canadians don't have to pay for music? |
| [20:00:08] | meshe: | legally, no |
| [20:00:09] | kormoc: | sphery, the deal is they pay a tax on blank media |
| [20:00:18] | meshe: | kormoc: exactly |
| [20:01:07] | meshe: | the music industry forced us to play a levy on blank media that is supposed to compensate the artists for our piracy, then they also wanted to sue us for piracy |
| [20:01:19] | meshe: | the courts thankfully said, you can't have your cake and eat it too |
| [20:01:46] | GreyFoxx: | So every single CDROM gets taxed, despite the majority being for computer data usage |
| [20:02:12] | meshe: | no |
| [20:02:19] | meshe: | you can buy for business purposes |
| [20:02:37] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah if I wanna submit my receipt and get my mony back |
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| [20:02:53] | GreyFoxx: | but none of the local stores allow me to avoid the tax at time of purchase |
| [20:03:09] | kormoc: | meshe, well, the reason why there's no real exceptions for video is the Canadian MPAA doesn't get a cut of that tax I believe |
| [20:03:57] | meshe: | correct, what i just read the copyright act was updated specifically to make downloading "music" legal |
| [20:04:19] | sphery: | Granted, the text of the ruling is not presented, but in "In a unanimous 9–0 decision on June 30, 2004" and "The court said" paragraphs, the positions do /not/ support the summary, "The ruling stipulates that". So, I'm guessing they must have left out the discussion of those points of the ruling or some hack was trying to push his own interpretation to rationalize his illegal downloading. :) |
| [20:04:45] | meshe: | better article, with quotes from the actually modification of the law: http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/intellectual.htm |
| [20:06:20] | sphery: | Do you all pay a blanket levy on hard drives? |
| [20:06:38] | meshe: | no, just cds and audio cassettes |
| [20:06:56] | meshe: | they tried to do it with dvd's and ipods, but it got turned down |
| [20:07:46] | sphery: | discussion of recording sound to a hard drive is interesting... |
| [20:08:13] | meshe: | http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml |
| [20:10:16] | meshe: | ok, so, no it's not legal to download movies/tv shows, but I think it's legal grey area with fair use if you download a rip that is of the same or worse quality of the one that you personally own. |
| [20:11:02] | meshe: | you are allowed to transcode media that you own, so downloading an already transcoded version of what you already own would just be having someone else do the transcoding |
| [20:12:07] | kormoc: | Everyone, please remember to seek out professional legal advice |
| [20:12:12] | meshe: | agreed |
| [20:12:59] | kormoc: | and with that! Let's get back on topic |
| [20:13:10] | kormoc: | So about that myth tv thing I there then heard about? |
| [20:13:21] | gbee: | kormoc: stay on topic |
| [20:13:31] | gbee: | oh wait |
| [20:13:34] | meshe: | i hear it can record tv shows! |
| [20:13:35] | kormoc: | :P |
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| [20:14:45] | meshe: | anyone ever done a frontend over an internet link rather than internal network? |
| [20:14:57] | clever: | meshe: ive done it before from a hotel |
| [20:15:25] | clever: | but my upload pipe is too small, so i spent 12 hours to move a 1 hour recording to local storage |
| [20:15:34] | meshe: | hehe |
| [20:15:43] | meshe: | i've got a 10Mb uplink |
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| [20:16:00] | meshe: | it would be the other downlink i would have to worry about |
| [20:16:05] | sphery: | and people like clever are the reason that I can't get any work done at a hotel through an SSH link to my systems at home (i.e. because they're hogging all the bandwidth, so I can't use the few kbps I need). |
| [20:16:09] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:16:18] | kormoc: | It's so true |
| [20:16:22] | clever: | sphery: i cant even get ssh to work right now:P |
| [20:16:35] | clever: | lost packets cause the vpn to choke and ssh to freeze up for 2–3mins |
| [20:17:05] | meshe: | sphery: the worst i do at hotels is voip |
| [20:17:12] | gbee: | assuming you can get around the security aspects say using ssh/vpn, I'd worry about latency |
| [20:17:25] | clever: | sphery: also, when i was pulling those files, the hotel downpipe was 150kbyte/sec, and i was only pulling 20–30kbyte/sec |
| [20:17:33] | clever: | sphery: i wasnt even using near 50% of the downpipe |
| [20:17:37] | sphery: | yeah, even 10Mbps is not that great when HDTV can be up to 19Mbps |
| [20:17:38] | kormoc: | UPnP broadcast to 255.255.255.255! |
| [20:18:06] | sphery: | clever: that's because there were 6 other people doing the same :) |
| [20:18:09] | meshe: | is there a way to set how much the frontend buffers before it starts playing? You could avoid latency that way |
| [20:18:31] | sphery: | nope |
| [20:18:40] | clever: | meshe: id have to buffer 900mb before starting playback:P |
| [20:18:46] | clever: | which would take 9+ hours to prebuffer |
| [20:18:52] | sphery: | not designed for wide-area distribution (No, I'm not trying to restart the other topic) |
| [20:18:54] | clever: | imposible to use levels |
| [20:19:26] | sphery: | really, though, you're better off copying data to a local hard drive and carrying it with you. |
| [20:19:38] | clever: | sneaker net! |
| [20:19:41] | sphery: | and, really, if just for travel, you don't even need Myth. |
| [20:19:56] | meshe: | i actually asked that question for another reason too, i was getting buffer pause errors and skips on my frontend the other day |
| [20:20:08] | clever: | ive thought about how i would put a computer in the car, and sync it with the recordings at home when parked in the driveway |
| [20:20:17] | meshe: | well, i have 2 backends in 2 different countries now |
| [20:20:19] | sphery: | Yeah, my pickup truck and commercial airlines have /significantly/ more bandwidth than I could ever afford from my cable co. |
| [20:20:20] | clever: | pull the recordings off the wifi when at home |
| [20:21:02] | sphery: | meshe: have you looked through: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffering_pause |
| [20:21:42] | meshe: | yeah, the load on the machine is 2+ when it starts skipping |
| [20:22:15] | meshe: | last night when it happened a program called "mtd" was taking up 80% of the RAM |
| [20:22:29] | sphery: | myth transcoding daemon, used for ripping DVD's |
| [20:22:47] | sphery: | probably was swapping due to lack of memory due to mtd |
| [20:22:48] | meshe: | yeah, and i've never put a dvd in the drive |
| [20:22:59] | sphery: | then don't run mtd :) |
| [20:23:03] | gbee: | well that's not good |
| [20:23:12] | sphery: | (though it shouldn't cause issues--I run it without problems on my 0.21-fixes systems) |
| [20:23:16] | meshe: | i've never told it to run mtd |
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| [20:23:28] | sphery: | your start scripts--installed by your packager--probably do |
| [20:23:49] | meshe: | hmmmm |
| [20:24:02] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone ever try one of these ? http://www.hdx1080.com/index.php?page=shop.pr . . . p;Itemid=115 |
| [20:24:31] | GreyFoxx: | Supposedly it's the same underlying firmware and codec/container support as the popcorn hour |
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| [20:25:22] | GreyFoxx: | I'm considering one for my dad, and since popcorn hours are almost impossible to get this likes like an option |
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| [20:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | Looks nice |
| [20:26:57] | gbee: | in trunk mtd is started automatically when you go into the DVD ripping screen, although Anduin modified the behaviour a little so I'm not sure if that's still true |
| [20:27:22] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yeah, he's got 1 TV with no frontend, and I'm looking for something like this |
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| [20:27:38] | Anduin: | It is still true, I just didn't always start it (tried to connect to a running one first) |
| [20:27:58] | meshe: | gbee: maybe i'll write a cron that just kills mtd when it sees it running |
| [20:28:16] | GreyFoxx: | hah, no AC3 decoding. You have to pass through to an external decoder :) |
| [20:28:24] | GreyFoxx: | Then that's no use to him |
| [20:28:37] | iamlindoro_: | Ooof, that sucks, that's a *major* drawback |
| [20:28:37] | gbee: | Anduin: I remember the commit message now |
| [20:28:40] | GreyFoxx: | all the recordings from, his firewire stb have ac3 audio |
| [20:28:42] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [20:29:01] | GreyFoxx: | he has a reciever but I don't know if it does ac3 decoding or not |
| [20:29:46] | gbee: | from a UI point of view, having it start automatically was better than requiring the user to 'press 1–9 to start MTD' |
| [20:30:02] | meshe: | agreed |
| [20:30:13] | gbee: | it should probably shut down automatically after a period of inactivity though |
| [20:30:34] | iamlindoro_: | MTD has been maxing out a core since my last rebuild, need to track that down at some point, just have been lazy |
| [20:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | and kill it once a reboot instead |
| [20:30:59] | meshe: | i don't want to remove MythDVD either as I want the dvd functionally, just not the ripping |
| [20:31:03] | meshe: | (on that box) |
| [20:31:30] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: you've been ripping or it starts for no apparent reason? |
| [20:31:50] | RyeBrye: | oh, I thought that starting MTD by typing a key was some kind of funky workaround to say you didn't ship with DVD ripping enabled or some strange legal thing |
| [20:32:11] | gbee: | I liked the idea of splitting out the DVD playback parts of mythvideo and putting them into the frontend |
| [20:32:28] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Well, haven't been in the DVD screens for some time and I don't have it starting in my init script-- can't say the starting up is a bug, but the maxing out a core is |
| [20:32:35] | gbee: | RyeBrye: nah, just a bad UI decision AFAIK |
| [20:32:42] | RyeBrye: | ok |
| [20:33:13] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I guess I gave the devs too much credit :) I assumed "nah, nobody would make the UI like this unless there was some odd reason to do so" :) |
| [20:33:28] | meshe: | ripping isn't really enabled until you install decss |
| [20:33:30] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, the popcorn hour doesn't specifically mention Ac3 at all |
| [20:33:39] | XLV: | GreyFoxx, http://www.egreathd.com/ these get a dts decode board http://ehome.multiply.com/photos/album/17/Egr . . . 1B_DTS_Board |
| [20:33:51] | meshe: | which i think the latest Mythbuntu did automagically |
| [20:33:51] | gbee: | always bothered me because I could see Windows MCE or a any commercial solution including that step before I would be allowed to start ripping |
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| [20:34:14] | gbee: | s/could/couldn't/ |
| [20:35:17] | GreyFoxx: | XLV: Nice |
| [20:35:20] | GreyFoxx: | thanks |
| [20:36:21] | GreyFoxx: | no smb but it does do upnp and that would be good enough |
| [20:36:36] | GreyFoxx: | and h264, mkv, ac3, and so on... this looks promising :) |
| [20:37:25] | XLV: | GreyFoxx, smb meaning to connect to smb shares? i think it does that |
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| [20:37:50] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't see it mentioned, but what it does list is what he definately has available |
| [20:37:57] | GreyFoxx: | now to find the price heh |
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| [20:38:15] | ]Oscar: | re |
| [20:39:26] | XLV: | GreyFoxx, http://www.egreathd.com/index.php?option=com_ . . . mp;Itemid=54 |
| [20:39:42] | XLV: | * Samba version 3.0.21 (home-use) |
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| [21:16:28] | abqjp: | With the GUIDE up, I pressed some key on my remote which reversed the order of the channels. I have no idea what key that was. I have tried them all, and cannot figure out how to change the order back. |
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| [21:21:46] | sphery: | abqjp: TOGGLEEPGORDER (by default '0' (zero)) |
| [21:22:20] | abqjp: | sphery, Thanks, I will try that. I can't believe I didn't already thought — I though I had pressed every button on the remote. |
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| [21:23:47] | iamlindoro_: | byteframe: No, the backend is a complicated piece of software that stores data *in* a DB. |
| [21:23:47] | sphery: | byteframe: a mythtv backend is a system that records TV (i.e. has capture cards) |
| [21:24:04] | sphery: | the database is separate (and can exist on any host on the network)--it's just MySQL |
| [21:24:22] | byteframe: | I dont have any tv tuner cards, nor cable. But I do have lots of downloaded torrents of public domain nature specials that I would like a frontend to have access to. |
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| [21:24:41] | hads: | Not really what myth is designed for. |
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| [21:24:56] | byteframe: | I agree, but mythtv has the games and other plugins. |
| [21:25:02] | sphery: | you can use MythVideo for that (MythVideo, like all plugins) is a frontend component, so you'll need to make the videos available on all frontends |
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| [21:25:19] | sphery: | But, as hads mentioned, there are probably other programs that are better designed for non-TV stuff. |
| [21:25:30] | iamlindoro_: | Examples are XBMC and elisa |
| [21:25:38] | byteframe: | sphery, I'm currently using geexbox. Very fast, no xserver which I like. But it's quite limited. |
| [21:26:14] | byteframe: | But, basically, I can't run a frontend without a backend? |
| [21:26:25] | hads: | Not really. |
| [21:26:27] | iamlindoro_: | You can run a frontend without a backend. You *do* need a DB though |
| [21:26:29] | sphery: | not really--the frontend will complain about the backend being missing |
| [21:26:32] | byteframe: | I see. |
| [21:26:48] | byteframe: | Mythtv probably isn't what I'm looking for, I'm getting good vibes from the XBMC site. |
| [21:26:52] | byteframe: | Thanks. |
| [21:26:55] | sphery: | but, you can run a backend without any capture cards so you don't get constant popups about the backend being missing |
| [21:27:15] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [21:30:59] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_, are you using VDPAU for HD-PVR recordings on your 9300? |
| [21:31:21] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Yes, albeit somewhat infrequently (my backend doesn't usually fall back as far as the HD-PVR) |
| [21:31:55] | abqjp: | VDPAU works fine for mpeg2, but I get a green screen within a couple of minutes, when I feed it a HD-PVR file. |
| [21:32:03] | janneg: | sphery: backend without capture card is not supported, but we support capture cards without hardware |
| [21:32:30] | kormoc: | sphery, so tossing the card into a windows box killed the myth OSD, but it's still 100% corrupted |
| [21:32:41] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I have not seen that, but I have only tested tiny bits with VDPAU-- will try to look more later |
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| [21:33:36] | abqjp: | 180.08 works slightly better than 180.11, but still no luck. I was just wondering if it is a case where the 9300/9400 have not been tested well with VDPAU. |
| [21:33:54] | kormoc: | Nothing has been tested well with VDPAU :P |
| [21:34:09] | Dagmar: | VDPAU is a _brand new_ feature |
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| [21:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Out of curiosity, ahve you tried VC-1 with it? Consensus seems to be that the hardware supports it but it may not be "switched on" in the driver yet |
| [21:34:57] | abqjp: | Yeah, it just seems like some people are having more success, than that. |
| [21:34:59] | ** Gumby cant wait until VDPAU becomes more standard ** | |
| [21:35:13] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: for the 9300 IGP that is |
| [21:35:30] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, I can. I have one VC-1 disk, but have not bothered to rip it yet. |
| [21:35:49] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Go buy The Dark Knight on the way home ;) |
| [21:36:00] | iamlindoro_: | (not VC-1 related, just good movie related) |
| [21:36:08] | gbee: | heh |
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| [21:46:35] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, figure out the flash streaming issue? |
| [21:47:14] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, sphery, I donno if you guys are comfortable with memcache and the like? |
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| [21:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | Considering I had to google it just now... I'm not :) |
| [21:48:47] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:49:18] | kormoc: | Well, hopefully this weekend I'll have the new classes done and be able to be cache backed by memcache, so would be nice to have some extra folks poking about with it :) |
| [21:49:30] | kormoc: | as I know I'm going to be introducing bugs... |
| [21:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | I'm always happy to learn, might just need some coaching to provide worthwhile results |
| [21:49:52] | meshe: | memcached is simple to set up |
| [21:49:57] | kormoc: | it's braindead simple :) |
| [21:50:18] | meshe: | how much ram do you have yours configured for kormoc? |
| [21:50:20] | kormoc: | install, set it to bind to 127.0.0.1, set the max memory size, start, call it good |
| [21:50:29] | kormoc: | meshe, 32m I believe |
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| [21:51:23] | meshe: | are you just serialzing your objects and setting them to memcache keys? |
| [21:51:45] | kormoc: | Aye |
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| [21:53:59] | meshe: | i'd never actually though of using it for object serialization |
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| [21:54:13] | kormoc: | it's the fastest that way |
| [21:54:35] | kormoc: | and there's options for auto zlib compression as well, so can even hold more data that way |
| [21:55:11] | kormoc: | and with the __sleep and __wakeup, it can disconnect/reconnect up connections and other cleanup tasks |
| [21:55:16] | kormoc: | it makes it fairly transparent |
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| [21:55:42] | meshe: | i could see how you could design objects that could work very well with that |
| [21:56:19] | meshe: | though my paranoid nature would still run the serialized data through at least a checksum if not full validation |
| [21:57:06] | kormoc: | the 'recommended' caching style will be what I call 'StaticMemcache', which is using two cacheing styles together. php style 'static $CACHE[$key]' and memcache |
| [21:57:45] | kormoc: | Request will try to pull from php's static, if it fails, it pulls from memcache, and caches it statically. On set, it updates the static and on destruct, it flushes the statics to memcache |
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| [21:58:19] | kormoc: | Memcache has it's own internal checksumming, but yeah, if it wasn't mythweb, and if it was important data, I do checksum the objects |
| [21:58:39] | meshe: | is PHP's cache memory or file based? |
| [21:58:48] | kormoc: | memory |
| [21:58:54] | kormoc: | but purely for that single script run |
| [21:58:58] | meshe: | ahhh |
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| [21:59:30] | meshe: | back later, meeting |
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| [21:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | K, got memcached set up... now if only I knew anything about it ;) |
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| [21:59:59] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:00:08] | Dagmar: | It's memory, and it's cached. |
| [22:00:12] | Dagmar: | That's all you need to know. ;) |
| [22:01:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, when we try the new code, first thing to do if you find a bug that might be related to caching is to restart memcache. It wipes it's cache on restarts, so then if it works, then it's likely a caching issue, if it doesn't, then it's likely a code issue :) |
| [22:01:16] | iamlindoro_: | sounds good |
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| [22:03:04] | kormoc: | the main thing I'm worried about is how I'm currently counting on php's garbage collection's destruction to work in the order I'm expecting. If that doesn't happen, well, weird things might show up, and then I'll have to figure out a different way to set this stuff up |
| [22:03:22] | kormoc: | or just enforce the modules to clean up after themselves :P |
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| [22:07:16] | xris: | iamlindoro_: memcache is pretty easy. just specify a size and port number. the clients do the rest. |
| [22:07:34] | ** xris ponders rewriting mythweb as part of mythbackend... ** | |
| [22:08:02] | iamlindoro_: | xris: Yeah, seemed simple enough, and ubuntu seemed to choose sensible defaults |
| [22:08:16] | xris: | iamlindoro_: it's a really killer app |
| [22:08:31] | xris: | brad does a great job of making his software really simple to use, etc. |
| [22:09:54] | iamlindoro_: | I guess it's best to bind it to loopback because of security concerns |
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| [22:10:20] | dustybin: | what the hell is memcache |
| [22:10:40] | iamlindoro_: | erm, sorry, my last sentence should have ended in a ? |
| [22:10:48] | dustybin: | http://wapedia.mobi/en/Memcache <-- this? |
| [22:10:57] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: you are too perfect |
| [22:11:08] | dustybin: | a perfectionist lol |
| [22:11:44] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I wouldn't presume to pass judgement on why a software I didn't know anything about 15 minutes ago suggests a particular default, ergo the ? |
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| [22:14:58] | dustybin: | now this is what one would call, _storage_ http://www.sflorg.com/technews/tn102408_01.html |
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| [22:26:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, aye, loopback highly recommended |
| [22:27:04] | kormoc: | dustybin, watch the mouth. You've been told before, no swearing in here |
| [22:27:32] | dustybin: | swearing when? |
| [22:28:20] | ** dustybin logs at log and cannot see any swearing at all? ** | |
| [22:28:22] | Josh_Borke: | would it be possible to use a Hauppauge HVR-1800 in mythtv as a V4l device for the analog side? |
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| [22:28:40] | kormoc: | dustybin, 'Hell' is considered a swear to most folks |
| [22:28:56] | dustybin: | no way??? |
| [22:29:04] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:29:08] | Josh_Borke: | i was not permitted to say it growing up |
| [22:29:09] | dustybin: | jeeze i didnt know that at all |
| [22:29:27] | dustybin: | here in UK its pretty normal to say that |
| [22:29:55] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: You *might* manage to use it as a framegrabber, but framegrabber use of hardware encoders has atrophied somewhat in recent months, YMMV |
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| [22:30:24] | Josh_Borke: | iamlindoro_: ok, thanks for the help |
| [22:30:34] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: It's worth a try if you want to keep the card, anyway |
| [22:30:57] | Josh_Borke: | yea, right now i'm just a little frustrated with my system because nothing is working, so i'll give it a try tonight |
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| [22:31:20] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: I believe that 90% of what one needs to get non-ivtv mpeg-2 encoders wotkin in myth is already there, but I don't own an 1800 (and, I think, neither does anyone else who might look at it) |
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| [22:31:26] | iamlindoro_: | w/wotkin/working/ |
| [22:31:48] | kormoc: | dustybin, if nothing else, it comes across as you were angry about not knowing bout memcache. That's hardly anyone's fault in here... |
| [22:32:17] | Josh_Borke: | if you'd like to point me at some code for me to try to wrap my head around it I wolud be more than happy to see if I can figure anything out or at the very least I'd be willing to test patches |
| [22:32:37] | ** dustybin blinks and blinks and blinks ** | |
| [22:33:02] | Josh_Borke: | though I suspect that it's a very limited set of people who would be even interested in non-ivtv mpeg-2 encoders |
| [22:33:11] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: in the source, libs/libmythtv/mpegrecorder.* |
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| [22:34:16] | iamlindoro_: | Josh_Borke: It's not going to be a single line tweak or anything, though |
| [22:34:28] | Josh_Borke: | indeed |
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| [22:35:02] | Josh_Borke: | i don't expect it will be something i finish in any sort of reasonable time frame, but if it happens that I do, I'll be able to say I gave to the community |
| [22:37:01] | meshe: | it would only be recommended to put memcache on 127.0.0.1 in a single server implementation |
| [22:37:38] | meshe: | the real power of memcache comes from multiple memcache servers in which memcached would need to be bound to network accessable IPs |
| [22:39:08] | meshe: | but that's not really applicable with MythWeb |
| [22:39:22] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [22:39:41] | Dagmar: | If you're doing it with myth boxes, you probably should consider going outside once in awhile. |
| [22:39:47] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [22:39:49] | meshe: | hehe |
| [22:40:07] | iamlindoro_: | Indeed those in here likely to cluster it w/ mythweb are those that are outside-proof |
| [22:40:37] | ** kormoc quickly turns off memcache on his desktop ** | |
| [22:40:40] | xris: | fyi (halfway off topic): http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=710 |
| [22:40:46] | kormoc: | Indeed! Only local machine usage here! :P |
| [22:40:49] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [22:41:31] | kormoc: | half the beauty of memcache clusters is machines can pop in and drop out whenever and not really matter |
| [22:41:46] | kormoc: | so having my mostly idle desktop take a chunk of ram while it's sitting there doesn't bother me |
| [22:41:54] | kormoc: | but that's a entirely unsupported mythweb setup :P |
| [22:41:54] | meshe: | errrrrr |
| [22:42:07] | meshe: | actually the cache gets corrupted when a server drops out |
| [22:42:13] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: You're not the crowd I had in mind when I said that ;) |
| [22:42:36] | kormoc: | meshe, not at all, the php memcache module marks it as failed and continues on with the good servers |
| [22:42:52] | hads: | Yeah, not corrupted, just missing bits. |
| [22:42:57] | kormoc: | meshe, it's a distributed cache, not a concatenated cache |
| [22:42:58] | Dagmar: | So it detects Gentoo servers, and routes around them. |
| [22:43:06] | meshe: | ahh, a new implementation since I last looked, nice |
| [22:43:19] | meshe: | no, the original implementation the cache was toast if you lost a server |
| [22:43:31] | meshe: | (this was about a year ago) |
| [22:43:37] | hads: | The application should be designed to expect things to be missing. |
| [22:43:42] | kormoc: | nah, that was purely just one of the many php modules for it |
| [22:43:52] | ** meshe doesn't code in php :) ** | |
| [22:44:23] | kormoc: | memcache supported that setup for a few years now |
| [22:44:31] | meshe: | the algorithm i was looking at based keys off of a hash made from the list of servers |
| [22:44:32] | kormoc: | it's how livejournal was rolled out onto it |
| [22:44:38] | kormoc: | in what lang? |
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| [22:44:58] | meshe: | perl, same as livejournal :) |
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| [22:46:05] | meshe: | That could be why: http://search.cpan.org/~bradfitz/Cache-Memcac . . . ched.pm#BUGS |
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| [22:47:37] | meshe: | yeah, the hash table still needs to be rebuild when a server drops |
| [22:48:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: You just got your head taken off on users. Enjoy. ;) |
| [22:49:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: PS, stop giving us all the reputation of being jerks. Some of us are trying to earn our OWN reputation for being jerks. |
| [22:49:51] | clever: | lol |
| [22:50:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: also, you are "smarmy." |
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| [22:54:47] | sphery: | Just saw it. I regretted sending that e-mail immediately after sending it, though there are 2 reasons I recommended checking/reverting the drivers he just upgraded right before it failed. |
| [22:55:23] | sphery: | I just didn't feel like explaining the why. |
| [22:55:46] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, I understand |
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| [22:56:01] | iamlindoro_: | OK, today is the day that I figure out 24p on my projector. |
| [22:56:03] | dustybin: | sphery: my sister has gone to bed now, ill do the multi-rec test |
| [22:56:04] | iamlindoro_: | Or maybe tomorrow. |
| [22:56:41] | sphery: | 24p? |
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| [22:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: native 24 * x refresh to smooth motion |
| [22:57:49] | iamlindoro_: | w/ film sources/Bluray |
| [22:58:22] | sphery: | so 24fps? |
| [22:58:59] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [22:59:11] | sphery: | I see. |
| [22:59:15] | iamlindoro_: | the marketing term for it is "24p" |
| [22:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | but more or less a holwe number multiple refresh rate to keep smooth motion |
| [22:59:30] | iamlindoro_: | er whole |
| [23:00:11] | sphery: | got it... Never heard the term 24p. |
| [23:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p |
| [23:02:12] | iamlindoro_: | avoid nasty pulldown |
| [23:02:37] | dustybin: | sphery: Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows is switched off, ive restarted the live tv sessions, both frontends are using the same tuner! |
| [23:03:19] | sphery: | and they're using the first tuner (or, technically, the first and second input--which are most often defined on the first card)? |
| [23:06:16] | dustybin: | they are using the 1st defined tuner |
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| [23:06:39] | dustybin: | ive only got 1 card in this box, a Nova-T 500 dual tuner |
| [23:07:11] | sphery: | out of curiosity, what do you get with, "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM cardinput;" and "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM capturecard;" |
| [23:07:38] | dustybin: | erm, ill need to get a mysql CLI up for that, hold on |
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| [23:08:37] | dustybin: | COUNT(*) 6 |
| [23:08:57] | cezium: | Were can i find a good script for playing rar files with mplayer in mythtv? |
| [23:09:27] | sphery: | dustybin: and for capturecard, you get 2? |
| [23:10:02] | dustybin: | sphery: that mysql command you gave me said, COUNT(*) 6, and gave a error after |
| [23:10:19] | dustybin: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; |
| [23:10:29] | sphery: | that's 2 commands |
| [23:10:41] | sphery: | and no quotes on either |
| [23:10:42] | dustybin: | oh yeah shite |
| [23:10:54] | ** dustybin watches language :-S ** | |
| [23:11:33] | cezium: | dustybin: don't you have the nova-td 500? |
| [23:12:00] | dustybin: | mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM capturecard; COUNT(*) 6 |
| [23:12:14] | dustybin: | cezium: my friend does, i have the original nova-t 500 |
| [23:12:22] | cezium: | aha |
| [23:12:25] | cezium: | envy you |
| [23:12:42] | cezium: | did he get his remote working? |
| [23:12:51] | dustybin: | mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM cardinput; COUNT(*) 6 |
| [23:13:17] | dustybin: | cezium: ebay have a lot of nova-t 500s for sale |
| [23:13:30] | dustybin: | sphery: 6 for both commands! |
| [23:14:06] | dustybin: | cezium: didnt get the remote working on it, will have another look in a few months time |
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| [23:19:16] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_, read a review of Dark Night. I did not realize you were serious when you said it was VC-1 encoded. I take it it does not play well in Myth? |
| [23:19:19] | sphery: | dustybin: (assuming that your dual tuner Nova-T 500 actually has 2 tuners configured in Myth, and can, therefore, be used to tune 2 different muxes at the same time), I would recommend using http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to delete all capture cards (don't worry about sources), then create 2 capture cards do /not/ enable multirec, then go back and enable multirec on the 1st then the 2nd card. ... |
| [23:19:25] | sphery: | ... I'm guessing that will give you 2 inputs--one for each card--as 1 and 2, then virtual inputs for the multirec thing. So, first LiveTV gets card 1, 2nd gets card 2, then it would be 1, 1, 2, 2, (assuming you enable 3 recordings per card) |
| [23:19:54] | sphery: | dustybin: note that if you do that you /cannot/ use "Avoid conflicts" as it will start from the back (meaning you'd get 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1) |
| [23:20:04] | justinh: | so you need a $60 card to play a batman film? heheheh |
| [23:20:31] | dustybin: | sphery: aye ok ill give it a go :) |
| [23:21:59] | sphery: | I still hate that VC-1 got shoved into Blu-Ray so that it would measure up to HD-DVD... |
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| [23:27:27] | justinh: | so whats the deal with vc-1 – you just need a more fancy card or is there no vc-1 decoding yet in viddypow? |
| [23:27:52] | dustybin: | sphery: im only going to delete the capture cards, re-create the capture cards, then go back to the 1st tuner, add multi-record, then do the same for the 2nd tuner |
| [23:28:17] | t0ny-p40: | Does the dbbackup storage group do anything at this time? |
| [23:29:36] | sphery: | dustybin: right |
| [23:29:41] | dustybin: | I deleted all my capture cards, when i created a tuner, the Max recordings was set to 2 ? surely that should be 1? |
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| [23:30:32] | justinh: | default is TWO dustybin |
| [23:30:33] | sphery: | t0ny-p40: Myth will only automatically backup your DB right before it upgrades the DB. The DB Backups storage group says where to write the backup. (So, it will likely do nothing for you /until/ you upgrade to 0.22.) |
| [23:30:53] | sphery: | dustybin: yeah, make sure you change the default of 2 to 1 when creating the capture cards |
| [23:31:01] | dustybin: | ok |
| [23:32:24] | dustybin: | both tuners are now setup with max recordings: 1 |
| [23:33:27] | dustybin: | ive skipped to the main menu, then back into capture cards, ill change the max recordings to 3 for both tuners |
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| [23:34:21] | dustybin: | ok done, ill quite mythtv-setup and run mythfilldatabase |
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| [23:34:24] | dustybin: | quit |
| [23:34:48] | sphery: | you shouldn't need to run mfdb since you didn't mess with video sources |
| [23:35:10] | dustybin: | ive already started it :-S |
| [23:35:34] | sphery: | won't hurt, then :) |
| [23:36:10] | dustybin: | ive started up the backend, ill now paste those same mysql commands as before? |
| [23:37:15] | dustybin: | mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM capturecard; COUNT(*) 6 |
| [23:37:21] | dustybin: | mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM cardinput; COUNT(*) 0 |
| [23:37:27] | dustybin: | 0 ! |
| [23:38:19] | sphery: | you'll need to do it again... delete capture cards, then create capture cards (with max 1 recording), then /connect inputs/, then turn on multirec |
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| [23:39:04] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [23:41:45] | fuxxy: | Is there a way, by looking at the table data in the mysql backup dumpfile, to figure out which dump is the latest? (I have a sequential backup just using numbers 1 thru 7) |
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| [23:42:10] | kormoc: | fuxxy, check the file ctime/mtime? |
| [23:42:13] | Dagmar: | mtime on the dumped file. |
| [23:42:16] | meshe: | ls -alFh <backup file> |
| [23:42:35] | Dagmar: | Just -al will be fine |
| [23:42:49] | kormoc: | ls -l would likely be enough |
| [23:43:01] | kormoc: | -a would include all the .stuff which you likely don't need |
| [23:43:07] | meshe: | probably, just a habit to use those switches |
| [23:43:26] | Dagmar: | Well, it would be unnecessary when using a globmatch, but the point is in not making someone learn something new |
| [23:43:28] | fuxxy: | dagar, I usually do `ls -alh`, but all the files dates are extremely old, I figured they were file creation dates, not modification dates? |
| [23:43:47] | kormoc: | Dagmar, learning is good! |
| [23:43:48] | Dagmar: | You've modified these files since you dumped them? |
| [23:43:55] | Dagmar: | That sounds like something rather ill-advised. |
| [23:43:58] | clever: | fuxxy: run 'stat' on the files |
| [23:44:16] | dustybin: | sphery: i just re-did everything in the _exact_ order you gave me, capturecard and cardinput now both say 6 |
| [23:44:22] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: Don't know why you'd assume they wouldn't be mtimes |
| [23:44:26] | meshe: | run x command doesn't mean the person is going to learn what it does |
| [23:44:38] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, no, but they have been overwritten the by the next week's 'X" times |
| [23:44:44] | clever: | meshe: 'stat' clearly labels every field it displays |
| [23:44:53] | meshe: | clever: yup |
| [23:45:08] | clever: | meshe: you can then compare the dates that it gives to what ls gives, to see what ls is showing |
| [23:45:18] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: They're mtimes. |
| [23:45:22] | sphery: | dustybin: sounds like you've got it set up, now you can check how LiveTV x 2 works |
| [23:45:28] | kormoc: | x times? |
| [23:45:32] | meshe: | why are you telling me this clever? |
| [23:45:37] | dustybin: | sphery: ok |
| [23:45:43] | Dagmar: | If your dates aren't changing, your backup dumps aren't happening |
| [23:45:47] | clever: | meshe: just bored |
| [23:45:50] | kormoc: | meshe, he's sad and lonely and wants to impress you in hopes you'll be his friend |
| [23:46:20] | meshe: | awwww, i've been doing linux admin for 9 years now :) |
| [23:46:25] | sphery: | fuxxy: for a "quick look", use: grep "INSERT INTO \`housekeeping\` " mythtv_backup.sql |
| [23:46:29] | Dagmar: | What a newb |
| [23:46:34] | meshe: | lol |
| [23:46:50] | ** meshe bows her head in shame ** | |
| [23:47:23] | Dagmar: | Only nine years... do you even know how to format a disk yet? |
| [23:47:23] | dustybin: | sphery: that worked!!!! i tuned in sisters frontend first, it used tuner 1, i turned on live tv in my bedroom, it used tuner 2 !! |
| [23:47:24] | kormoc: | meshe, oh noes! you just got the undivided attention of 185 female interaction starved irc folks! |
| [23:47:43] | meshe: | Dagmar: boot dos |
| [23:48:27] | meshe: | kormoc: that's ok, i'm married (even though it doesn't seem to matter to some online geeks) |
| [23:48:36] | sphery: | dustybin: it's amazing how well Myth works when you configure it to behave as you want it to... Thanks for trying it and confirming it works. Now I don't have to mess up my perfectly configured system to try it out before I click send on that e-mail I wrote this morning after complaining about the people complaining on that ticket. :) |
| [23:48:44] | meshe: | been around IRC long enough to know how to ignore HNG's |
| [23:49:10] | Dagmar: | horny nerd guys? |
| [23:49:16] | Dagmar: | I'm guessing blind on the middle word |
| [23:49:21] | meshe: | Horny Net Geeks |
| [23:49:25] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [23:49:28] | Dagmar: | Oh |
| [23:49:48] | Dagmar: | Danke |
| [23:49:57] | meshe: | :) |
| [23:49:57] | Dagmar: | ...and before you get any ideas... |
| [23:50:00] | Dagmar: | <-- not a girl. |
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| [23:50:24] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, I guess you're right, I only had a week's worth of backups and apparently it stopped backing up the database |
| [23:50:28] | fuxxy: | grrr |
| [23:50:38] | meshe: | not suprise, i don't find many in software related chat |
| [23:50:38] | fuxxy: | which freaking defeats the purpose of daily backups. |
| [23:50:49] | dustybin: | sphery: what would happen if i'm watching live tv and something wants to record, will mythtv use the spare tuner even with that option ticked off? |
| [23:50:58] | Dagmar: | Well, people see the name "Dagmar" and assume I must be a) German and b) Female |
| [23:51:11] | Dagmar: | ...not realizing that sometimes 'nyms are made up of random syllables. |
| [23:51:41] | sphery: | Dagmar: isn't there a guy in some comic named Dagmar? |
| [23:51:54] | Dagmar: | Yeah, in User Friendly I *think* |
| [23:51:56] | meshe: | i'm not familiar with the reference to your nick, so I assumed nothing |
| [23:52:00] | sphery: | fuxxy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [23:52:15] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure I've been using the 'nym longer than any webcomic |
| [23:52:23] | Dagmar: | ...or since before webcomics were invented. |
| [23:52:32] | fuxxy: | sphery, problem's already been fixed, but thanks ayway. I still wish I had the data from two days ago, rather than dec. 4th. |
| [23:52:46] | sphery: | Dagmar: I was thinking one of the Sunday paper comics had one... I remember him trying to squeeze the last of the toothpaste out of the tube once... |
| [23:52:57] | Dagmar: | No idea there, mon |
| [23:53:09] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, I think of Dagwood when I see your nick. |
| [23:53:20] | sphery: | that's who I'm thinking of... |
| [23:53:23] | Dagmar: | That's probably what sphery is thinking of actually |
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| [23:55:04] | Spyro1: | hi |
| [23:55:11] | Spyro1: | Im trying to set uup a myth box |
| [23:55:18] | Spyro1: | but the channel scan button is greyed out |
| [23:55:21] | sphery: | had I remembered the whole sandwich part, I'm sure you would have known which character I meant. :) |
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| [23:55:59] | sphery: | Spyro1: 1) are you using a digital capture card (if not, you may not want to use channel scan) and 2) have you already created a capture card(s)? |
| [23:56:08] | Spyro1: | DVB-T |
| [23:56:19] | Spyro1: | and I already added the card |
| [23:56:37] | meshe: | i had that problem with mine, the card wasn't properly associated to... something |
| [23:56:45] | meshe: | sorry, not fresh in my head |
| [23:56:49] | sphery: | OK, so you do need to do a channel scan... Have you already created a video source? Have you connected the video source to the appropriate input on the card? |
| [23:57:12] | sphery: | meshe: probably the input connection (which is a great guess about why it's not allowing a scan :) |
| [23:57:25] | Spyro1: | no, didnt think I needed to (unobvious) |
| [23:57:27] | fuxxy: | Let's say I want to flush out stale files on my recordings partition (files without corresponding mysql metadata) How would one go about this? |
| [23:57:50] | Dagmar: | Just delete them through the frontend interface |
| [23:58:14] | sphery: | myth_find_orphans.pl was written (a /very/ long time ago) for that purpose, though it's not well maintained and you shouldn't blame me if it deletes every single recording you have |
| [23:58:14] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, but I don't know which actual files are stale? |
| [23:58:18] | Dagmar: | You should never wind up with files without db entires. |
| [23:58:41] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, agreed, that's preferred, but sometimes the proverbial "stuff" happens. |
| [23:59:00] | Dagmar: | If anything, you'll be more likely to get warnings from the thing about files which were already deleted but for which the metadata is still lurking around making it think it still needs to delete them because expiry is a little obsessive compulsive |
| [23:59:13] | fuxxy: | My frontend/backend machine magically reset for some-odd reason and the mysql db was corrupted, I had to backup from 4 days previously. |
| [23:59:14] | sphery: | sometimes you'll get .old files (from mythtranscode) or png's that don't get deleted properly (though I think we've fixed the PNG problems in core Myth) |
| [23:59:57] | Dagmar: | You could always run a lossless transcode on them *all* and then delete any files without a recent timestamp |
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