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Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:11] dustybin: :(
[00:02:52] sphery: kind of like how the faster a processor I buy the greater the percentage of processor time that darn idle task takes
[00:04:16] GreyFoxx: dude I literally had a customer complain about that
[00:04:24] sphery: no way
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[00:04:26] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:04:53] GreyFoxx: "Ever since your people were here my cpu is constantly in use 90% of the time by "System idle process". "It's chewing up my cpu!"\
[00:04:57] GreyFoxx: I'm not kidding
[00:05:31] GreyFoxx: he even call my boss to complain :)
[00:06:14] kormoc: "I was fired for misusing customer resources with the system idle process..."
[00:06:23] sphery: A long time ago when I was working for an organization that was getting a server upgrade we didn't need, Sun was interviewing me and the system admin so they could recommend the server we needed and when he asked what process takes the most CPU time, I answered, "It's the idle process." (He didn't like that answer.)
[00:06:43] GreyFoxx: he was so use to seeing other processes at the top of the cpu usage list that he thought we broke something when we fixed thos apps :)
[00:07:00] sphery: that's hilarious
[00:07:40] GreyFoxx: yeah
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[00:08:33] GreyFoxx: my boss explained to him how this wasn't a bad thing heh
[00:10:04] sphery: did he make equally big deal out of how much you'd improved things once he understood?
[00:10:23] GreyFoxx: no, he basically slunk off in shame and hasn't said anything since :)
[00:10:32] GreyFoxx: at least not that I know of :)
[00:11:05] sphery: too bad... Well, I'll do it for him. "Wow, GreyFoxx! You guys worked a miracle on the system! Thanks a million."
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[00:11:15] GreyFoxx: heheh *beam*
[00:11:57] sid3windr: laser set to stun?
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[00:14:14] iamlindoro__: "Earlier this year Plaxico Burress was a key member of the New York Giants team which won the Super Bowl, the most prestigious prize in American sport. "
[00:14:28] iamlindoro__: Silly brits, That's the World Series!
[00:14:44] iamlindoro__: The most prestigious prize, that is
[00:18:00] dacs: does anyone having any luck installing Hauppauge HVR-1600 in debian etch? please help me
[00:19:50] directhex: "world" series, as only played in yanktopia
[00:19:59] iamlindoro__: And canada
[00:21:07] sphery: dacs: I wish I knew something about HVR-1600 and/or Debian so I could help. But, I hope you find someone to help eventually.  :)
[00:21:35] iamlindoro__: Or you could try in #v4l or #linuxtv where they actually do the support to get said cards working in linux
[00:21:46] iamlindoro__: (whereas this channel presumes you already have a working card)
[00:21:56] dacs: sphery: thank you, i have been trying for the last 2 weeks
[00:22:22] dacs: i understand , i just thought someone already went thru what i am going thru right now
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[00:23:05] iamlindoro__: You should also ask specific questions and describe what if any steps you have taken so far
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[00:31:32] sphery: shouldn't people wait a bit to see how the whole VDPAU thing shakes out before buying new graphics cards for it--especially those who say, "I ... don't want to drop $60 on something that won't be suitable"?
[00:32:19] sphery: and especially when they say, "As I would need a PCI card in my machine"
[00:33:33] iamlindoro__: some people just need a beating
[00:33:53] iamlindoro__: and if they are out making purchases on the extreme low end and expecting miracles, you know what they say about fools and their money...
[00:34:40] kormoc: it's just sad that the fools have the largest mouthes...
[00:34:44] sphery: yeah, but of course when they buy something and later find out they needed to buy a better card (or one that's not PCI or ...), we all know whose fault it will be--that greedy corporation whose name starts with N
[00:35:01] kormoc: How dare they do something new!
[00:35:27] iamlindoro__: I just wonder when all these people had the Purevideo->VDPAU brain shunt installed
[00:35:39] iamlindoro__: "Why it no support my 6800?"
[00:36:04] iamlindoro__: Did 180.11 come with new patches?
[00:36:08] Anduin: sphery: a good compromise is to not unsubscribe from the list, just the imap folder you filter it to
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[00:36:54] sphery: I have to say that for the first time in my life, I can actually appreciate a benefit of closed-source, proprietary development (no end-user visibility during development, so you don't get people jumping the gun and expecting too much--which I'm also seeing a /lot/ of on the openmoko lists)
[00:37:08] iamlindoro__: looks like no new patches
[00:37:09] sphery: Anduin: that's a good idea...
[00:40:14] iamlindoro__: sphery, ugh, just read that thread
[00:40:21] sphery: janneg: For the initial DB schema, did you do it from a just-created DB or from one created before http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18767 ? I think [18767] changed some stuff that affects the final resulting schema, but I haven't had time to do a before/after check... (I think the only reason the changes were required for the blank-database creation to succeed for xris is because his MySQL was set to use utf8, not latin1 ...
[00:40:24] iamlindoro__: the difference between 256 and 512 MB is like $4!!!
[00:40:27] sphery: ... as a default).
[00:40:29] Anduin: I still don't know how you can take it, just the effort of marking threads as read makes me give up
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[00:42:17] iamlindoro__: What's with all the "OT:" threads lately, anyway?
[00:42:43] iamlindoro__: "OT: replacing the stock engine on a 57 Chevy Impala with a big block 300 HP"
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[00:45:18] Chicago: Anybody using this TV – DVB-C (Cable) decoder? – http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_C . . . CI_1612.html
[00:45:52] iamlindoro__: Chicago, Aren't you in the US?
[00:45:58] Chicago: Yes
[00:46:04] iamlindoro__: Seems you are, what would you want with DVB-C?
[00:46:17] iamlindoro__: Since it's not used in the USA...
[00:46:35] Chicago: I thought it was compatible with my carrier, because my cable company supports CableCARD. http://www.comcast.com/Customers/Faq/FaqCategory.ashx?CatId=301
[00:46:53] Chicago: Isn't that a CableCARD interface on the Cinergy C PCI HD CI?
[00:46:54] iamlindoro__: a) There is no DVB-C in the USA, and b) you cannot use cablecard in any fashion with linux
[00:46:58] iamlindoro__: No.
[00:47:12] iamlindoro__: A CAM and Cablecard are totally different
[00:47:19] iamlindoro__: cablecard is 100% useless in linux
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[00:47:58] iamlindoro__: DVB-C is the Cable standard used abroad. In the USA you can Use a ClearQAM tuner with cable, that's it.
[00:48:18] iamlindoro__: And even then, unencrypted channels only.
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[00:48:45] Chicago: I guess cable cards are just useless in Linux, because my carrier is offering CableCARDS for cable-ready TVs and for Microsoft STBs.
[00:49:03] iamlindoro__: "<iamlindoro__> cablecard is 100% useless in linux"
[00:49:10] iamlindoro__: So yes. Like I said.
[00:49:35] sphery: why does Trac put DOS linefeeds in patches?
[00:50:12] iamlindoro__: So that clever can use them in his OS
[00:51:00] sphery: lol
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[00:54:30] iamlindoro__: Hmm... TMS has gotten the new channels in my lineup, but still not at SD :(
[00:55:52] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt seem to be taking my tuner priorities into account
[00:57:14] wagnerrp: oh well... too late to do anything about it
[01:02:10] sphery: stupid quilt mistake touched a bunch of files, so I have to relink far more than I should...
[01:02:14] Chicago: iamlindoro: I read Windows is capable of sharing a CableCARD with Linux.
[01:02:24] iamlindoro__: You read wrong
[01:02:32] wagnerrp: have a link to where you read that?
[01:02:34] iamlindoro__: or, at least, someone wrote wrong
[01:02:35] sphery: moral of the story... always check your series first
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[01:02:52] Chicago: http://www.satfree.nl/forum/ubbthreads.php/to . . . Windows_Pc_A
[01:03:00] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, I'm sure he read the bit where someone suggested they use VLC to IPTV stream from a cablecard windows PC
[01:03:12] Chicago: nah
[01:03:13] iamlindoro__: Except WHOOPS you can't access cablecard tuners from VLC
[01:03:14] Chicago: that's silly
[01:03:25] iamlindoro__: cardserver is NOT cablecard
[01:03:32] kormoc: says the vlc multicaster
[01:03:47] iamlindoro__: a cardserver would be for sharing a CAM, *not* cabelcard
[01:03:49] iamlindoro__: er cablecard
[01:04:07] iamlindoro__: geez, the word cablecard doesn't even *appear* in this link, where are you getting this crap?
[01:04:47] iamlindoro__: Read my lips... there is NO WAY to use a cablecard in ANY fashion with linux or myth
[01:04:50] iamlindoro__: IN NO WAY
[01:04:53] wagnerrp: and its a server from the Netherlands, where cablecard does not exist
[01:05:19] kormoc: you guys keep getting reality in the way of his dreams!
[01:05:34] wagnerrp: and support for freesat, satellite access, not QAM
[01:07:29] sphery: janneg: nevermind... It seems it was a harmless change
[01:11:22] janneg: sphery: my initial database was created using an empty DB and starting mythtv-setup
[01:12:02] sphery: janneg: yeah, it turns out that changeset wasn't a problem as it just made changes that were to be made later, anyway
[01:12:11] janneg: that changeset looks wrong or at least superflous
[01:13:16] janneg: the only problem it could fix is using utf8 before it should be used
[01:13:48] sphery: janneg: yeah, it wasn't the right approach--and yeah, that's why he did it (since he didn't run mc.sql, which sets charset to latin1)--but it's harmless
[01:14:17] sphery: it seems that the 1216 and 1217 updates changed the hostnames to VARCHAR(64), anyway.
[01:17:05] janneg: yes, due to utf8 taking 3 bytes per character and PRIMARY KEY length restriction
[01:17:56] janneg: shouldn't be problem anymore since new databases are all utf8 from now on
[01:18:26] sphery: yeah, I knew that changes occurred for the indexes with utf8, but I hadn't gone through to verify that nothing changed until tonight
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[01:18:37] sphery: (nothing changed as a result of that patch, that is)
[01:18:55] sphery: I'm now satisfied that the end result is always the same.
[01:19:00] Chicago: iamlindoro__: kormoc: Just trying to fight through HDTV from cable carrier without renting their STB.
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[01:19:24] kormoc: Chicago, it's not going to happen
[01:20:25] sphery: janneg: anyway, sorry for the noise--and nice work on the initial database creation update (it should solve a lot of problems because a lot of people fail to properly run mc.sql--especially when doing restores, etc.)
[01:20:59] sphery: OK, it will solve future problems, not the upgrade the current DB to utf8 problem, but...
[01:23:05] iamlindoro__: Heh, my first ever post to the dev list is to bitch at someone, I'm a jerk
[01:23:24] _abbenormal: lol
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[01:23:42] Chicago: For people in North America, which subscription HDTV provider has *best* picture?
[01:23:56] iamlindoro__: Verizon FIOS
[01:23:56] kormoc: depends on your eyes
[01:24:24] _abbenormal: that would depend on whats in your area
[01:24:28] sphery: iamlindoro__: how dare you turn an OT post into one that's almost -dev related (i.e. recommending a better approach for a hack on a ticket)
[01:24:29] Chicago: Unfortunately I cannot test Verizon FIOS in my locale.
[01:24:30] iamlindoro__: at least that's the answer to "who is the only one not to re-encode the signal they receive"
[01:25:03] iamlindoro__: sphery, I had been toying with doing so myself but I figure it's useless until the backend gets the transcode patches
[01:25:11] iamlindoro__: Hate to do work that will just get redone
[01:25:23] Chicago: kormoc: In my area, there is one options for a cable carrier, and myriad options for satellite subscription service.
[01:25:33] sphery: right, I hope all mythweb flash improvements get closed as invalid until proper support exists
[01:25:56] iamlindoro__: If your options are satellite or Comcast, then Dish has the highest bitrate.
[01:25:59] Chicago: Which subscription satellite service available in North America has the "cleanest feed"?
[01:26:24] Chicago: iamlindoro__: If it's Dish, then I should subscribe to Dish.
[01:26:30] iamlindoro__: Of course you won't be capturing any of that digitally and would still need a STB
[01:26:46] kormoc: iamlindoro, sphery, oh gawd... he wants us to email him the updated file?
[01:26:51] iamlindoro__: You'll be limited to capturing the analog outs of the dish box
[01:26:51] ** kormoc weeps for humanity **
[01:26:53] Chicago: iamlindoro__: No sense mucking around with cable, when there are more options in linux with SAT.
[01:27:03] sphery: Chicago: in general, cable and satellite providers do everything they can to reduce bandwidth (which reduces quality) to save themselves money
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[01:27:22] iamlindoro__: Chicago, Options like what? With sat, you will be capturing the analog outs of a STB just like cable.
[01:27:34] Chicago: iamlindoro__: Why am I limited to capturing the analog outs?
[01:27:44] iamlindoro__: You cannot use a DVB-S card (or any other kind of digital tuner) with north american subscription satellite
[01:28:10] iamlindoro__: So you will need a STB and you can only capture the output from analog
[01:28:46] kormoc: Chicago, and be forwarned, software de-encryption is a forbidden topic in here and will cause folks to be banned if it's discussed
[01:29:08] Chicago: kormoc: Don't talk about it then :p
[01:35:52] janneg: iamlindoro__: could you please fix your mail client? no In-Reply-To or References header and a single spacew instead of "Re: "
[01:36:36] Chicago: Doesn't it make sense to post the forbidden topics in the channel /topic, so that people like me can easily find the keywords they should be googling for?
[01:36:44] iamlindoro__: janneg, Mail client = gmail, dunno if I have much control over it But then, I'm responding to the digest, too.
[01:37:16] _abbenormal: topic would then be to long
[01:39:02] janneg: iamlindoro__: no chance to create a proper reply to the digest if you use the plain text digest
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[01:47:34] iamlindoro__: Heh, I love how the Nvidia installer tells me I have a driver "rpm" installed on my debian system
[01:48:12] _abbenormal: lmaoi
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[01:48:42] _abbenormal: no debian rules there
[01:48:51] sxealex: 'lo
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[01:50:02] iamlindoro__: YAY 108.11!
[01:50:08] iamlindoro__: I just got VC 1 accel
[01:50:41] iamlindoro__: Well that helps, and answers yesterday's question
[01:50:56] wagnerrp: on the 9500?
[01:51:01] iamlindoro__: 9300 IGP
[01:51:06] sxealex: is there some know bug or fix for the following: had mythweb functioning (apache runs on 8088). 127.0.01:8088. One day it just quit... when I visit the page i get a 404. Tried uninstalling plugins and reinstalling and checked to see if it was there... no go.
[01:51:12] wagnerrp: i thought that had VC1 from the beginning
[01:51:31] wagnerrp: or was that only for discrete cards?
[01:51:35] iamlindoro__: not until just now-- The original announcement specificied 9300 GS and 9300M, this is the 9300 IGP
[01:51:52] iamlindoro__: I was fairly certain it would come, but it didn't work until 108.11
[01:52:09] iamlindoro__: That just accelerates a *lot* of HD-DVDs I own, so that's a big help
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[01:53:03] iamlindoro__: Gah, never mind, that film was h.264 :(
[01:53:09] iamlindoro__: Sad again.
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[01:59:33] _abbenormal: shoot down again
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[02:03:27] _abbenormal: shot down again
[02:03:34] _abbenormal: wished i could spell
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[02:19:52] wagnerrp: ive got a file i cannot delete
[02:19:56] wagnerrp: even under root
[02:21:06] kormoc: immutable for teh win!
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[02:22:05] wagnerrp: the only problem is its a directory that needs to be writable for the init scripts to work
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[02:22:44] wagnerrp: i cant boot with it there, i cant delete it and remake it to allow boot
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[02:23:12] Chicago: wagnerrp: Can you trigger the kernel image to boot up in single user mode somehow... and skip most of the init?
[02:23:18] netpro25__: Hello, just got the pvr-150 mce, trying to setup the ir blaster, anyone know what device it is?
[02:23:32] kormoc: wagnerrp, if it's actually immutable, lsattr will show it
[02:23:48] kormoc: wagnerrp, will show an i on it
[02:24:05] wagnerrp: well 'ls -l' results in '???????????? ? ?  ?  ?  ? init.d'
[02:24:10] wagnerrp: it has no idea what it is
[02:24:25] iamlindoro__: it's not chmod'ed 000 or something?
[02:25:06] wagnerrp: its like the fs just lost track of everything
[02:25:11] wagnerrp: it knows something should be there
[02:25:16] wagnerrp: but besides that, its lost
[02:25:22] kormoc: erm
[02:25:27] kormoc: that's a filesystem error typically
[02:25:29] kormoc: fsck it?
[02:25:36] wagnerrp: already done
[02:26:39] Chicago: wagnerrp: Yeah, does a /forcefsck help?:
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[02:31:35] kormoc: wagnerrp, could also try the bash-regex trick, ls [^a-zA-Z0–9]+
[02:31:45] kormoc: see if that actually matches the file, and if so, mv regex blah
[02:32:43] wagnerrp: na, forced fsck (rather than just replaying the journal) cleaned it up, thanks
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[02:48:31] Chicago: cool
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[03:00:58] sphery: Yeah!!! Scrubs is back, Tues Jan 6 (on ABC, now, though)
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[03:07:59] Lexridge: Just tried using Mythtv for DVD playback, but am unable to get 5.1 sound. I set the output device to ALSA:surround51 but get no audio in that mode. In default mode, I get stereo only. Any ideas? It works fine in VLC with 5.1
[03:08:25] sphery: are you using analog outputs?
[03:08:35] Lexridge: yes
[03:09:36] sphery: hmmm... I don't know much about the multi-channel audio with Internal player and analog outputs, but I'm thinking you'll have to increase max audio channels to 6 (default is 2 IIRC)
[03:09:56] Lexridge: I have max audo channels set to 5.1
[03:10:06] Lexridge: and upmix is active linear
[03:10:24] sphery: then I'm not sure what it would be
[03:10:38] sphery: (though upmix shouldn't apply if your DVD has 5.1-channel audio)
[03:11:17] Lexridge: true, but I've been through all of them, and that is where I last had it. I'll set that back to passive now
[03:11:47] Lexridge: I'm sure the surround51 device works, as I've used it with xmms and 5.1 audio files just fine.
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[03:18:22] sphery: Lexridge: you do have mixer device set to ALSA:default, even when you set audio output device to ALSA:surround51, right? (you should)
[03:18:37] Lexridge: yes
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[03:23:22] riddlebox: well its weird but only my second tuner on my pvr500 works
[03:26:39] jams: riddlebox- it's possible that the card is defective.
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[03:27:33] Lexridge: sphery: humm, after cycling back to ALSA:default, I now have 5.1 audio....very strange, but happy it's now working nonetheless. Thanks
[03:27:57] sphery: Lexridge: so ALSA:default for the audio output device?
[03:28:01] Lexridge: yes
[03:28:05] sphery: cool
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[03:28:23] sphery: glad it's working--and glad you figure it out (since I wasn't any help) :)
[03:28:44] Lexridge: Before it was just stereo, but now..5.1. I didn't figure out anything...it's back to where it was when I started. Doh!!
[03:29:01] Lexridge: The ghost in the machine perhaps ;)
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[03:29:33] sphery: yeah, I think there are many ghosts in ALSA
[03:29:46] Lexridge: me too!
[03:30:15] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, ALICE is pretty weird... Oh wait, you said "ALSA" — nevermind! ;-)
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[03:31:43] sphery: I am so glad you find this amusing, unknown person.
[03:32:19] sphery: (that was a reference to A.L.I.C.E. – http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=f5d922d97e345aa1 )
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[03:33:21] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: hehe.. ;-) I played around with A.L.I.C.E... way back in high school... ;-)
[03:33:39] sphery: which ALICE were you referring to?
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[03:34:00] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Only the one you referred to... (unfortunately!) ;-)
[03:34:23] sphery: oh, cool. then I probably didn't need to explain my joke.
[03:34:25] iamlindoro__: kormoc, I just noticed something-- I don't get the audio buffer underruns with progressive material-- can you compare when you have a chance?
[03:34:27] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Or was it ELIZA... oh yeah...
[03:34:37] sphery: ELIZA is another bot
[03:35:08] iamlindoro__: kormoc, Yep, it's the VDPAU deinterlacer
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[03:35:20] iamlindoro__: 1080i with it off = audio issues go away
[03:35:33] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: yep. ;-)
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[03:35:56] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: OOh, VDPAU... been away for a bit – how's it working? Well???  ;-)
[03:36:02] iamlindoro__: kormoc, What's more, I think it's just the advanced deinterlacer
[03:36:20] kormoc: iamlindoro__, oh hrm... I didn't know I was de-interlacing, let me switch that around
[03:36:30] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A, Very very well. There were some issues with MPEG-2 but it looks like a tip from Mark Kendall helped with that-- it worked for me
[03:37:11] sphery: (which means a real fix for the MPEG-2 will be coming "soon")
[03:37:11] kormoc: iamlindoro, I have both de-interlacers set to 'none', let me change that to simple or the like
[03:37:26] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: Gee, will this make it into 0.21-fixes, or is it too big for that, and only be in trunk/0.22 ?
[03:37:49] sphery: iamlindoro__: so, can I use VDPAU on my GF6800? The box says it supports PureVideo.  :)
[03:37:59] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A, I don't get a vote, but I wouldn't expect to see it in -fixes
[03:38:05] kormoc: iamlindoro, so with 'simple 2x', still getting them
[03:38:20] iamlindoro__: kormoc, Hmmm, weird, Mine went away by getting rid of advanced
[03:38:22] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: That's what I expected, but just thought I'd ask. ;-)
[03:38:27] kormoc: J-e-f-f-A, well, easy answer, is it a fix?
[03:38:32] sphery: J-e-f-f-A: I'd guess it's more likely to be the extra push to do a release of 0.22 sooner rather than later
[03:38:47] J-e-f-f-A: kormoc: Yeah, guess not.  ;-)
[03:38:54] sphery: (sooner still may mean 6 months or a year, though :)
[03:39:32] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Yeah, I hope it's sooner than that, but I'd rather see Quality than a "rushed to market" poor product... ;-)
[03:39:58] J-e-f-f-A: ie: I'm willing to wait.. ;-)
[03:40:01] sphery: nvidia really shouldn't have started this new exciting API when we were knee-deep in the mythui conversion (with tons of themes still needing converting)
[03:40:07] iamlindoro__: I miss vsync
[03:40:16] iamlindoro__: maybe for 108.12...
[03:40:37] sphery: iamlindoro__: yeah, my favorite band, too... Oh, wait, you said, "v" sync...
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[03:40:49] iamlindoro__: Oooooooooof
[03:40:52] iamlindoro__: what a joke
[03:41:10] sphery: yeah, was actually painful just typing it in, but I suffered through
[03:41:14] iamlindoro__: kormoc, Do you ahve 720p MPEG-2 you can test?
[03:41:21] iamlindoro__: maybe fox or something?
[03:41:38] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: I might still have one on my web site if you need one...
[03:41:53] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A, one what?
[03:42:12] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: a 720p sample... although it might be a 1080i sample...
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[03:42:31] iamlindoro__: yeah, I want to test interlaced v progressive, but I ahve lots of samples
[03:42:52] iamlindoro__: kormoc, I cannot for the life of me get it to screw up on a progressive sample, even 40 Mbit 1080p
[03:43:16] kormoc: iamlindoro__, All my content is standard def, 720x480 :P
[03:43:34] kormoc: 2200 kbit, 720x480 interlaced
[03:43:38] GTswagger: Having a hell of a time with perl errors in nuvexport. It only shows up when doing a two pass. A one pass produces A/V sync problems. All looks like mysql-perl problems? http://pastebin.ca/1274556 (output of errors)
[03:44:08] iamlindoro__: kormoc, ok... weird. I can put up a sample if you like.
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[03:44:30] sphery: GTswagger: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at /usr/share/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/MythTV.pm line 747. (isn't good)
[03:44:53] sphery: GTswagger: all the rest are likely due to having no DB from which to pull data
[03:45:14] GTswagger: sphery: MySQL still running just fine. Can log right in.
[03:45:22] sphery: GTswagger: I'd guess you need to change the timeout on your MySQL connections
[03:45:24] GTswagger: (You'd think it'd vomit on the first pass if MySQL is dead?)
[03:45:37] GTswagger: ahhh .. lemme crank taht up
[03:45:43] sphery: I'm guessing the connection just dies (or, really, MySQL kills it)
[03:45:44] kormoc: iamlindoro__, perhaps later, I want to see if I can get this crap to compile...
[03:45:59] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: How can I tell if this is 1080i or 1080p? mplayer just says 1920x1080 — I think it's 1080i, since it's ATSC HD, but how can I confirm?
[03:46:10] iamlindoro__: kormoc, ok, no worries-- I have something going up now so I'll paste the link and you can get it when/if you like
[03:46:19] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A, If it's ATSC, it's 1080i
[03:46:20] kormoc: Sounds good
[03:46:54] iamlindoro__: J-e-f-f-A, you can also play it in myth and look at the frontend logs which will tell you if it uses/doesn't use a deinterlacer
[03:47:33] wagnerrp: seems ssh attacks have been getting a bit more insidious
[03:47:45] GTswagger: sphery: Only bit in my my.cnf with timeout that isn't commented out is this:
[03:48:03] GTswagger: [mysqlhotcopy]
[03:48:04] GTswagger: interactive-timeout
[03:48:18] wagnerrp: last couple days, ive been getting a distributed attack, with one attempt from a different IP every few minutes
[03:48:50] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro__: Jeeze, it's like a 20-second capture, and it's 61MB... yikes. ;-)
[03:48:56] wagnerrp: only way i know its the same attack is that the accounts are running sequentially
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[03:51:51] sphery: GTswagger: Use 'wait_timeout' and 'interactive_timeout' (default for wait_timeout is probably 8hrs, but interactive_timeout may be much lower--just set both to 8hrs or 16hrs or 24hrs--as number of seconds, though, IIRC)
[03:53:47] GTswagger: Thanks. I'll set it to something crazy huge like 36 hrs
[03:54:08] GTswagger: Pentium IV C 2.8 GHz no likey high quality two pass transcoding :)
[03:54:40] sphery: guess both are 8hrs by default (unless modified by some distro config/start script or whatever). You'll need to restart mysqld for it to take effect.
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[03:55:08] GTswagger: Yea ... my two pass college football exports take like 20 hrs
[03:55:14] coffeebinge: hello out there
[03:55:33] wagnerrp: this is HD h.264 i presume?
[03:56:25] GTswagger: Negative. SD XviD 1280 Kbit VBR ... denoise ... two pass
[03:56:29] GTswagger: using --transcode
[03:56:30] iamlindoro__: kormoc, http://www.fecitfacta.com/720ptest.mpg if you are so inclined
[03:56:34] sphery: GTswagger: How long is your 2-pass transcode taking? Is it more than 8hr? If so, that's probably the issue. If it is (i.e. if fixing the timeout fixes the problem), please let me know and I'll look into adding appropriate connection settings to nuvexport to request a longer timeout regardless of overall MySQL configuration.
[03:56:41] wagnerrp: wow, that long for xvid!?
[03:56:43] iamlindoro__: whoaaaaaah, if 1.2 Mbit xvid is taking 20 hours you are doing it WRONG
[03:57:02] sphery: GTswagger: just saw you answered my question while I was still typing...
[03:57:07] GTswagger: wagnerrp: Yep. 20 hours for TWO pass though.
[03:57:13] GTswagger: each pass is 8-10-ish hrs
[03:57:17] iamlindoro__: stil about 5+ times too long
[03:57:23] sphery: what proc?
[03:57:25] coffeebinge: I have a pvr 500 tuner and cannot watch live tv on my frontend. The backend is up, and i can watch recordings and other videos, but no live tv. Can anyone help?
[03:57:29] iamlindoro__: P4 2.8
[03:57:30] GTswagger: Pentium IV C 2.8 GHz
[03:57:38] wagnerrp: you should be doing that about twice realtime
[03:57:41] sphery: oh, right, catching up
[03:57:43] GTswagger: This only started happening recently.
[03:58:01] GTswagger: But even previously a college football game took a solid half day plus for two pass
[03:58:21] sphery: HDD pre-failure (with HDD taking forever to read because it's constantly trying to move data from damaged sectors)?
[03:58:24] wagnerrp: i bet my laptop could do better than that
[03:59:02] GTswagger: sphery: mehh ... doubtful. I have a 120 GB Caviar dedicated just to MythTV storage ... haven't noticed any problems
[03:59:18] GTswagger: sphery: I did a SCP of a raw .mpg capture ultra fast to a secondary computer
[04:00:12] sphery: My Athlon XP 1700+'s would take 6–8hrs for a 2-pass transcode when I played around with making some DVD's. Can't remember if that's per 1-hr (40-min after commercial cut) of video or for all the video.
[04:00:32] sphery: (think I was putting 4 or 5 1-hr episodes per disc)
[04:00:58] sphery: obviously, though, that was going to MPEG-2 (for DVD)
[04:01:37] wagnerrp: i started ripping DVDs with my old 1600+, i think i remember divx3 managing 15–20fps
[04:02:29] GTswagger: sphery: ffmpeg or transcode?
[04:02:48] GTswagger: When I run nuvexport it complains of needing SVN ffmpeg (using ArchLinxu)
[04:02:49] sphery: it was avidemux2
[04:02:51] GTswagger: *ArchLinux)
[04:03:35] sphery: Yeah, I haven't used nuvexport myself (have it installed, but haven't done any transcoding since I installed it a couple of years ago :)
[04:04:28] GTswagger: sphery: FYI wait_timeout and interative_timeout are in seconds
[04:04:31] GTswagger: 24 hrs = 86400
[04:04:36] GTswagger: default is indeed 8 hrs
[04:05:05] GTswagger: Part of the problem of transcode being slow is no doubt that I'm on KDEmod4.
[04:05:07] sphery: cool... That's what I thought, but wasn't positive
[04:05:28] GTswagger: Plasma is the KDE 4 team's way of making sure your room is well heated by destroying your CPU seemingly at random. >:-|
[04:05:40] sphery: I did look up the default, but got the answer in hrs :)
[04:05:57] sphery: I've heard some very colorful comments about Plasma
[04:06:23] GTswagger: Colorful ... must be an allusion to the huge amount of acid somebody took to think it was a good idea.
[04:06:27] GTswagger: ... not ... that I'm bitter ....
[04:08:13] sphery: your explanation sounds very credible, though, after all, Plasma is just super-heated, partially-ionized gas, so it's trying to heat up the air in the room to make a plasma
[04:08:28] kormoc: GTswagger, you could aways downgrade...
[04:08:46] GTswagger: lol@sphery
[04:09:02] GTswagger: kormoc .. too much of a hassle at this point. ArchLinux has gone gung ho KDE4.
[04:09:22] GTswagger: Trust me I know ... I maintain the only working version of knetworkmanager in KDE4 in the Arch User Repo
[04:09:33] wagnerrp: you cant just build a previous version?
[04:09:48] GTswagger: I left Gentoo b/c I was tired of compiling all day :)
[04:09:59] GTswagger: (though I still use it on my servers)
[04:10:01] ** kormoc snorts **
[04:10:11] GTswagger: Gentoo as a server pwns
[04:10:16] kormoc: what box these days requires compiling all day to keep upto date?
[04:10:27] kormoc: I barely compile 2 hours a week other then mythtv
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[04:10:40] GTswagger: That's a modern box. My Pentium IV C ... meh.
[04:10:47] wagnerrp: what box ever took compiling all day to keep up to date?
[04:11:05] GTswagger: Though I am assembling parts to rebuild my system around a Core i7. Mmmm Core i7 ....
[04:11:21] GTswagger: wagnerrp: My Thinkpad T21 (PIII 800 Mhz)
[04:11:28] kormoc: GTswagger, even then, my 2.4 ghz p4 didn't take that long, and my current box is a core 2 1.8 ghz, not that overpowered
[04:11:48] GTswagger: Don't get me wrong ... I love Gentoo on the server. Used it on the desktop for a long time.
[04:11:50] wagnerrp: ive got one of those, and i realize that its better not to try to keep bleeding edge
[04:12:18] wagnerrp: i usually do a mass update once every couple months
[04:12:18] GTswagger: Just, on the desktop, got tired of compiling ... and in particular the ever decreasing Q/C and software selection in portage pertaining to desktop software.
[04:12:34] GTswagger: Miro *still* isn't in portage.
[04:12:38] GTswagger: That makes baby jesus cry.
[04:12:42] wagnerrp: miro is?
[04:12:55] kormoc: wagnerrp, bloated! :P
[04:13:07] kormoc: I'm not a miro fan, so I don't mind that at all
[04:13:11] sphery: probably makes Hollywood happy, though :)
[04:13:23] GTswagger: Miro = podcatcher with nice grouping / playback functionality
[04:13:31] GTswagger: Perhaps the most popular Linux podcatcher.
[04:13:35] sphery: yeah, I know it's not /all/ for pirates
[04:13:47] GTswagger: The Miro bug report (which I'm in alot) on Gentoo's Bugzilla ... holy crap
[04:13:56] GTswagger: it's the bug report that NEVER ENDS
[04:14:56] GTswagger: Miro bug report opened? 2006-04–29
[04:15:00] GTswagger: STILL not in portage.
[04:15:02] GTswagger: .....
[04:15:22] kormoc: meh, that's what overlays are for
[04:15:54] GTswagger: I don't *want* to have to go out of my way all the time for stuff like that
[04:16:03] GTswagger: It got old having an overlay for the dozens of packages I wanted.
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[04:18:09] GTswagger: sphery: I made the changes, restarted mysql, and started a two passer again. Fingers crossed. ETA on pass one is 8 1/2 hrs.
[04:18:28] sphery: GTswagger: good luck
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[04:23:50] wagnerrp: well im building ffmpeg on my test box, 1.93GHz AMD
[04:24:01] wagnerrp: ill let you know how fast a test goes when its done
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[04:31:51] coffeebinge: Can anyone help me with a live tv problem on my frontend?
[04:32:25] wagnerrp: dont ask to ask, just ask
[04:32:32] wagnerrp: someone may help if they can
[04:32:41] wagnerrp: if not, try again in a couple hours
[04:34:07] gregL: sphery: Are you around?
[04:34:28] sphery: yeah
[04:34:32] wagnerrp: so coffeebinge, ask your question already
[04:35:37] gregL: Hi; I did an svn update a few mins ago and it corrupted my data pase..
[04:35:48] gregL: err base
[04:35:51] coffeebinge: wagnerrp: my frontend wont show any video. The frontend is on the same machine as the backend. When i select it nothing happens
[04:35:55] sphery: got logs?
[04:36:08] gregL: just a sec
[04:36:27] sphery: it shouldn't have corrupted anything... might have gotten some errors, but they shouldn't be important
[04:36:42] wagnerrp: coffeebinge: you can schedule shows and play back recordings just fine?
[04:36:44] coffeebinge: wagnerrp: and i have looked at the logs. This is the only error i see in it: Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel.
[04:36:47] gregL: Query was: ALTER TABLE people CHANGE name name VARCHAR(128);
[04:37:12] coffeebinge: wagnerrp: yep. I just got finished watching a recorded show a few minutes ago.
[04:37:14] sphery: gregL: how about pastebin.ca the start of the errors (and get a bunch of them)
[04:37:26] gregL: ok
[04:37:32] kormoc: sphery, ooh, btw, ALTER TABLE people MOFIFY name VARCHAR(128); is a handy shortcut
[04:37:34] sphery: think I might see the problem/
[04:37:39] wagnerrp: seems like your default channel is one that doesnt exist
[04:37:48] sphery: kormoc: yeah, thanks... was just going to look up syntax for that.
[04:37:56] wagnerrp: go into mythtv-setup, go into the tuner settings, and change the initial channel
[04:37:58] sphery: that's the one janneg added after my patch
[04:38:22] sphery: kormoc: so, would the syntax he used work?
[04:38:26] coffeebinge: wagnerrp: ok
[04:39:30] wagnerrp: remember, the backend must be restarted for that to take effect
[04:39:43] coffeebinge: wagnerrp: its filling the database now
[04:40:11] ** sphery loves wake on lan (which saved me walking into the room with my dev box 3 times today :) **
[04:40:24] kormoc: sphery, should, aye, MODIFY is just a shortcut
[04:40:35] gregL: sphery: soory it took so long: http://pastebin.ca/1274595
[04:40:51] coffeebinge: wagnerp: you are a god! it worked lmao
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[04:41:46] sphery: gregL: is that the only error or are there a bunch of them with duplicate entries?
[04:41:50] coffeebinge: wagnerp: thanks
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[04:42:05] gregL: sphery, no that it..
[04:42:32] sphery: OK... Let me pull the update (that one came after the patch I submitted).
[04:42:57] kormoc: sphery, well... it stops on the first dup, there might be more...
[04:43:26] gregL: sphery, Yeah, i seen you were working on that ..
[04:43:57] sphery: kormoc: yeah, that was my way of verifying that it's actually the 1226 update that's causing it (as the 1225 update could have caused a lot of errors like that)
[04:46:00] kormoc: ugh!
[04:46:03] sphery: gregL: can you pastebin the results of: SELECT person, LENGTH(name), name FROM people WHERE name LIKE 'JoAnna Garc%a%'\G
[04:46:36] gregL: sphery, I will see if i can find it..
[04:46:37] sphery: I'm now trying to figure out how there could be dups after 1225 that become apparent with 1226...
[04:47:09] sphery: gregL: you'd have to run that query in the mysql client
[04:47:35] kormoc: and people wonder why I say php isn't bad...
[04:47:56] sphery: kormoc: ?
[04:48:19] kormoc: sphery, nothing I seem to do can fix "error: functional cast expression list treated as compound expression"
[04:48:25] sphery: oh, I'm thinking you're hating C/C++...
[04:48:26] kormoc: I don't even know what that means...
[04:48:33] kormoc: I am :P
[04:48:39] sphery: I'd guess it's a punctuation error
[04:48:59] kormoc: sphery, http://pastebin.ca/1274565
[04:49:51] gregL: sphery, This datebase is borked,i can't access it at all
[04:50:12] kormoc: gregL, what's it saying?
[04:50:19] sphery: gregL: you can't access it with plain old mysql?
[04:50:42] sphery: the backend won't start, but you should be able to get in with mysql
[04:50:58] gregL: sphery, Let me try again
[04:51:14] sphery: and the errors you get could help us help you :)
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[04:51:49] kormoc: sphery, it doesn't help that these video formats are entirely undocumented :P
[04:53:27] gregL: sphery, I must not be using the proper syntax.. It gives me this error :syntax error near unexpected token `('
[04:54:06] kormoc: gregL, erm... from a terminal window, run 'mysql -u root -p mythconverg', type in your root password and then you can run the query
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[04:54:48] sphery: gregL: or if you don't know the /MySQL/ root user's MySQL password, then use: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[04:54:55] sphery: and type in the mythtv user's password
[04:55:20] sphery: (i.e. the password is not necessarily the same as the *nix root user's password)
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[04:57:00] sphery: kormoc: got a handy link to the VDPAU docs?
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[04:57:15] kormoc: sphery, aye! http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau . . . 74b37f96e7c0
[04:58:03] gregL: sphery, Nope still won't work..I do know my password so that's not it...I have to call it quits getting late...Thanks..
[04:58:03] HRearden: speaking of vdpau, what's the consensus here on 256 vs. 512 RAM? Latest post on the list seems to indicate 256 is OK?
[04:58:04] sphery: heh, right to the function I wanted to see, even
[04:58:29] sphery: HRearden: I'd say spend the extra $10 just in case if you're buying now
[04:58:31] kormoc: HRearden, there's no consensus yet, it's all up in the air given it's all beta
[04:58:53] HRearden: well, limited to PCI on current machine and want to stay fanless.
[04:59:08] HRearden: last card that was 512 and fanless appears to be gone from everywhere.
[04:59:30] wagnerrp: HRearden: spend an extra $5, get something capable of 512MB
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[04:59:36] ** sphery hates giving up on finding the cause of a problem that shouldn't exist... **
[04:59:41] HRearden: trying to rescue a !@#$%@%@ VIA POS from being a paperweight.
[04:59:44] sphery: (the DB error)
[05:00:16] wagnerrp: from what i read, mplayer seems to work fine on 256, while mythtv wants 512
[05:00:25] wagnerrp: so it may be something capable of being worked out
[05:00:28] wagnerrp: it may not
[05:00:59] FisherPrice: Hey, my mythbox ran out of disk drive space this morning filling up at least 120G with log files... and it seems that the database can't connect I've looked at the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file and all my details are blank
[05:01:03] FisherPrice: any ideas?
[05:01:12] FisherPrice: as in my username, password etc
[05:01:18] kormoc: FisherPrice, given myth doesn't use mysql.txt anymore...
[05:01:30] HRearden: latest note from Brad seemed to say 256 was working OK, just looking to see if anyone here had it running on 256.
[05:01:32] kormoc: FisherPrice, but likely it's because mysql itself isn't running anymore?
[05:01:53] FisherPrice: well I can get access to the database via phpmyadmin
[05:01:56] kormoc: HRearden, it can depends on the source material
[05:02:05] FisherPrice: and I've checked the services
[05:02:05] kormoc: FisherPrice, and the backend is running?
[05:02:08] FisherPrice: they are running
[05:02:12] HRearden: HD-PVR highest bit rate is all I want.
[05:02:28] sphery: FisherPrice: mysql binary logging?
[05:02:31] FisherPrice: it looks like it
[05:02:45] FisherPrice: binary logging?
[05:02:47] kormoc: FisherPrice, so restart the backend so it reconnects to the db?
[05:03:36] sphery: FisherPrice: make sure you have the binary logging disabled ( as mentioned at the top of http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html )
[05:04:22] FisherPrice: no go the mythtv-setup crashes out saying that it can't connect to the database
[05:05:38] sphery: FisherPrice: does this show that mysqld is actually running (as opposed to the service script just /thinking/ it's running): ps -efw | grep mysql
[05:05:51] sphery: ps -efw | grep mysqld
[05:06:25] FisherPrice: 11777 6605 0 16:06 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mysqld
[05:06:42] FisherPrice: 5593 5551 0 07:17 ? 00:00:12 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-ext
[05:07:15] sphery: and you've cleaned up the full partition and all?
[05:07:25] sphery: and restarted mysqld afterwards
[05:08:16] FisherPrice: #log_bin = /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.log
[05:08:25] FisherPrice: that was already uncommented
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[05:08:31] ** kormoc blinks **
[05:08:34] sphery: you mean commented, right?
[05:08:35] kormoc: I hope you mean commented?
[05:08:42] FisherPrice: I deleted the offending .log files
[05:08:46] FisherPrice: yeah sorry commented out
[05:08:56] FisherPrice: I rebooted a few times
[05:09:19] kormoc: and if you connect via the command line?
[05:09:36] FisherPrice: how would i do that?
[05:09:49] sphery: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[05:10:13] kormoc: and are you sure the tables didn't get corrupt?
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[05:10:40] FisherPrice: they may be
[05:10:44] FisherPrice: how do i fix it?
[05:10:54] kormoc: well, have to find out first it they are...
[05:11:07] gregL: sphery, :Here is the info you wanted....http://pastebin.ca/1274619
[05:11:42] ** kormoc blinks **
[05:11:48] kormoc: gregL, that makes no sense...
[05:12:02] FisherPrice: i have to remember my password to the database
[05:12:16] sphery: gregL: thx
[05:12:45] gregL: sphery, np
[05:13:02] sphery: kormoc: I think (though I haven't run the update to verify) that the ALTER TABLE is changing the collation from utf8-bin to "default" meaning utf8-general-ci, so I figured it was a dup caused by that
[05:13:34] kormoc: hrm
[05:13:56] sphery: kormoc: so I think my query is only finding one because of the collation
[05:14:06] kormoc: yeah
[05:14:07] ** sphery hates this whole collation thing **
[05:14:13] gregL: sphery, I got to run but if there is something else i can help with just ask..
[05:14:49] kormoc: sphery, as with most things like that, it's great, as long as it's correct from the start :P
[05:14:56] sphery: gregL: I may come up with a better query for you, but I think I know the source of the problem--just have no idea how to fix it (other than status quo--keep the collation as utf8-bin)
[05:14:58] FisherPrice: found it
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[05:15:12] HRearden: kormoc, any idea if highest bit-rate HD-PVR would be OK at 256 or not?
[05:15:14] Neeesat2: Good morning
[05:15:39] sphery: kormoc: yeah, once we got corrupt data (because of all the utf8-handling issues in the pre-UTF-8 mythtv), it becomes a nightmare
[05:15:48] FisherPrice: sphery: i am able to get into the database manually
[05:15:51] kormoc: sphery, do a LOWER() on both sides of the where statement to make it case insensitive for your matching code?
[05:16:07] kormoc: HRearden, no idea, iamlindoro would be the best to talk to bout that
[05:16:08] gregL: sphery, : It's no big deal..If i have to i have a database back up,i can reinstall...Thanks for your time...
[05:16:36] Neeesat2: I have replace my MB and CPU(AMD QUAD CORE 9950) and when I try to configure myth I got CPU did'n detected correctly
[05:16:36] kormoc: sphery, gah! VdpVideoSurfaceGetBitsYCbCr(NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL); gives the same error...
[05:16:44] sphery: gregL: can you do that query really quickly? SELECT person, LENGTH(name), name FROM people WHERE LOWER(name) LIKE LOWER('JoAnna Garc%a%')\G
[05:16:54] gregL: yup
[05:16:58] Neeesat2: mythtv dont support Quad core?
[05:17:06] sphery: kormoc: yeah, it's a function pointer issue... Google +"invalid cast to function type"
[05:17:25] sphery: kormoc: though I haven't figured out how to fix it... :)
[05:17:47] sphery: haven't gotten far enough into the API to figure out what they want and all
[05:18:25] gregL: sphery, :http://pastebin.ca/1274625
[05:18:43] Neeesat2: Anyone using quad core CPU with mythtv?
[05:19:08] kormoc: gregL, you missed a row in your paste :P
[05:19:09] sphery: gregL: did you miss the first one in the pastebin?
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[05:19:28] kormoc: Neeesat2, people are, but the cpu detection is hard coded, so if your proc is too new...
[05:19:30] gregL: ok i will try again
[05:19:32] sphery: kormoc: btw, you're a MySQL genious
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[05:19:42] sphery: gregL: still have it in your terminal window?
[05:19:53] gregL: yes
[05:19:57] kormoc: sphery, heh, nah, I just work with it a ton :)
[05:20:37] sphery: well, I'm obviously not a genius because I can't even spell it (see above)
[05:21:09] gregL: sphery, http://pastebin.ca/1274626
[05:21:17] Neeesat2: kormoc: So propably my CPU is too new and mythtv dont support it? can this cause a drop in performance in mythtv?
[05:21:19] sphery: I'm thinking all these pastebin's may be the biggest publicity rush JoAnna Garcia has ever gotten
[05:21:30] gregL: hehe
[05:21:37] kormoc: Neeesat2, not overly
[05:21:46] sphery: gregL: thanks a lot ... That's what I need
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[05:21:56] gregL: I have no idea who she is....
[05:22:28] sphery: gregL: I really appreciate your figuring out how to get the info for me... I hate leaving a problem unsolved.
[05:22:53] Neeesat2: ok thanks
[05:23:11] gregL: sphery, not a problem..
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[05:23:14] sphery: I'll get a fix in "soon"... Unfortunately, the guy who probably needs to make the call about how to proceed is probably asleep, now.
[05:23:29] gregL: I looked her up..HOT!
[05:23:42] wagnerrp: kormoc: mythtv actually has custom code for specific architectures? or just sse/3dnow and the gcc optimizations?
[05:24:04] ** sphery wonders if googling for her pictures will leave unwanted trails in my browser history **
[05:24:14] kormoc: wagnerrp, just for the configure for sse/mmx/3dnow/gcc flags, aye
[05:24:24] kormoc: sphery, nah, she's not really that exciting :P
[05:24:34] kormoc: (I already googled her)
[05:24:51] sphery: just in general, though, googling for pictures of any females tends to be dangerous :)
[05:25:04] gregL: Well when your an old goat like me they all look good....
[05:25:08] FisherPrice: is there an easy way to see if they mythtv database is corrupt... instead of going one by one through the tables going "CHECK TABLE `<insert tablename here>`;
[05:25:12] FisherPrice: "
[05:25:30] wagnerrp: sphery: thats where imdb comes in handy
[05:25:39] wagnerrp: no one suspects foul play when they come from there
[05:25:40] sphery: kormoc: well, the latest results from his query definitely explain the dups... any ideas how to make the update keep the utf8-bin collation?
[05:25:55] sphery: FisherPrice: optimize_mythdb.pl from the contrib directory of the source distribution
[05:26:09] sphery: wagnerrp: good plan
[05:27:26] kormoc: sphery, well, what's the goal? to match both of them to the same row or to have both of them as separate rows?
[05:28:00] FisherPrice: "/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl: command not found"
[05:28:25] sphery: FisherPrice: perl /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl
[05:28:39] FisherPrice: kk
[05:29:19] sphery: kormoc: I think using default collation is probably best in the long term, but if that requires code like the dup-check for the null-padding issue, a quicker interim solution of keeping the utf8_bin collation is probably fine
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[05:29:53] sphery: kormoc: do you know how to make it alter the column type to varchar and change collation without creating dups?
[05:30:18] kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19221
[05:30:24] FisherPrice: OK, where do i put the username and password
[05:30:24] FisherPrice: ?
[05:30:39] sphery: oh, wait... we'd have to do a similar update to the one in 1225 because of the references in credits and recordedcredits...
[05:30:55] kormoc: sphery, line 6 of mc.sql is doing that it seems
[05:31:04] kormoc: just change that to utf8_bin and all should be well
[05:31:45] sphery: actually, default is utf8_general_ci (which is what they wanted to maintain case-insensitivity), but some columns where dups were an issue were left as utf8_bin (including people.name)
[05:31:56] FisherPrice: failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'
[05:32:36] kormoc: doesn't SHOW TABLE STATUS; tell you if it's crashed or not in the extra col?
[05:32:46] sphery: so, for now, we'd need to change ALTER TABLE people CHANGE name name VARCHAR(128); to ALTER TABLE people CHANGE name name VARCHAR(128) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin NOT NULL default ''; , right?
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[05:32:55] kormoc: Aye, sounds right
[05:33:18] FisherPrice: sphery: failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'
[05:34:15] FisherPrice: sphery: i don't think the database is corrupt, i think that there's a settings problem somewhere
[05:34:21] FisherPrice: like the settings have been borked
[05:34:26] sphery: FisherPrice: that means you probably don't have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml (for the user who's running optimize_mythdb.pl--you can copy one from any other user)
[05:35:03] sphery: FisherPrice: oh, and now that I think about it, I don't think optimize_mythdb.pl will work when the backend isn't running
[05:35:14] kormoc: sphery, as crazy as it sounds, VdpVideoSurfaceGetBitsYCbCr()(&vdpau, vdp_ycbcr_format, *buffer, *pitches2); seems to fix that crazy error, but still poking at another one...
[05:35:52] sphery: FisherPrice: so, you can use mysql client to do the SHOW TABLE STATUS stuff like kormoc mentioned or use mysqlcheck with appropriate arguments
[05:36:45] FisherPrice: ;
[05:37:23] kormoc: I wish g++ would tell you what function signature it has in addition to what it's expecting
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[05:40:00] sphery: it's sad how many times I've run DROP DATABASE mythconverg; in the last week...
[05:41:29] sphery: argh... No problems with dups differing only in case in my DB... Gotta make fake data.
[05:45:07] sphery: which is annoyingly hard because I have to do the 1217 update, then make fake data, then continue through the 1226 update...
[05:47:39] FisherPrice: sphery: yeah all the tables are OK but there's nothing in my config.xml
[05:47:49] FisherPrice: I have to go out though for a while
[05:48:05] ** Captain_Murdoch would add a "system()" call in the DB upgrade code for testing that would run "mysql < insert_fake_data.sql" after doing the 1217 update. **
[05:48:08] FisherPrice: there's a sample config in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/config.xml
[05:48:13] FisherPrice: so i might try that
[05:49:54] sphery: FisherPrice: you can use that and edit it
[05:50:57] FisherPrice: sphery: DBPort> is normally 3306 isn't it
[05:51:05] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: Nice plan... I found a 1224 backup (thanks to the keep 5 old backups in the script), so I just started with it. Next time, though, I may use your approach
[05:51:15] sphery: FisherPrice: yeah, don't need to specify if it's 3306
[05:52:39] kormoc: oh crap! it compiled...
[05:52:58] sphery: kormoc: nice work...
[05:53:44] FisherPrice: sphery: mythtv-setup won't work
[05:53:48] FisherPrice: the front end won't start
[05:53:55] FisherPrice: the backend won't do anything
[05:54:34] FisherPrice: I'll have to come back to it but the backend won't connect to the database
[05:54:47] FisherPrice: can you tell me how to fix that error
[05:55:10] FisherPrice: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[05:55:21] FisherPrice: be back later
[05:55:35] kormoc: check the mysql error logs?
[05:56:11] kormoc: sphery, not really, more random fiddling that happened to work. It seems like it's some weird function pointer magic going on...
[05:59:15] sphery: yeah, I had gotten that far, but hadn't gotten to figuring out what the magic was
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[06:01:18] kormoc: now it's having a hard time figuring out some of my pass the context down code
[06:01:22] kormoc: whee!
[06:03:25] artus35: good morning
[06:03:33] artus35: I have a short question
[06:04:11] artus35: If I use HDMI with DVI in my Plasma TV there are some edges missing of my TV picture
[06:04:30] artus35: if I use VGA everything is visible
[06:04:55] artus35: The edges are missing when I use the menu
[06:05:03] artus35: in TV screen itself it looks ok
[06:05:04] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: thanks for responding about the patches... I had given up after that last response.
[06:08:55] Captain_Murdoch: np. I'm trying to get some coding done as well while my wife and daughter are at the in-laws. working on testing a fix for a long-standing bug in Storage Groups scheduling I found a couple nights ago. explains why my recordings haven't been spreading out across all disks like they should have been.
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[06:09:54] Captain_Murdoch: upgrading my master backend from RedHat 9 to Centos 5 nfsroot image right now so I can put the fix in place for a few days before committing.
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[06:13:30] Piper69: I got this FATAL: Error inserting cx18 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-bpo.1–686/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx18/cx18.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) when i did modeprobe cx18
[06:13:47] kormoc: Piper69, and dmesg says?
[06:14:05] Piper69: 230189.217618] cx18: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
[06:14:07] Piper69: [230189.217660] cx18: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
[06:14:21] kormoc: Piper69, and re-compiling cx18 does?
[06:14:39] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: which bug is that? A lot of people have been complaining that SG code will choose a full filesystem due to weighting even when there's sufficient space on other filesystems...
[06:14:42] Piper69: kormoc: i don't know how to do that
[06:14:56] kormoc: Piper69, so go back to your old kernel?
[06:15:47] Piper69: kormoc i am currently using 2.6.26-bpo.1–686
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[06:17:50] Captain_Murdoch: sphery: I found a bug in Janne's fsid caching code that was causing it to think that the same filesystem on several backends was actually different filesystems so the SG scheduler would use it multiple times at the same time on different hosts because it wasn't counting up the weights correctly. when it adds a weight for usage, it should add it to all entries for that same fsID, but since it thought they were different fil
[06:17:50] Captain_Murdoch: esystems, it wasn't updating the weights on all entries for the same shared dir. basically SG code would send multiple concurrent recordings to the same fs when it should have balanced across multiples.
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[06:18:13] high-rez: Hey guys, i've been having audio drops and seeing this on the frontend: Audio 227 ms behind video but already 75 video frames queued. AV-Sync might be broken.
[06:18:29] high-rez: Any tuning suggestions for this?
[06:18:35] Captain_Murdoch: sphery: only showed up if you have multiple backends sharing the same filesystems and have concurrent recordings occurring on those backends.
[06:27:26] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: ah... so what do you think of ignoring weights when using the preferred filesystem would result in expiration even though another filesystem has room?
[06:28:06] sphery: I'm not a fan of the idea--I think that should be a different kind of profile, myself, but it seems I'm in the minority.
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[06:28:25] Captain_Murdoch: not opposed to the idea, but I think if things like that are added in, there should be an option to "optimize for I/O" or "optimize for space" or something similar.
[06:28:40] Captain_Murdoch: I want to balance I/O across spindles.
[06:28:51] Captain_Murdoch: others just want to use all available space.
[06:29:05] sphery: also, a lot of people were very upset by the fact that on a system with both network and local storage, the network storage would not be used because of the weight against remote filesystems
[06:29:21] sphery: I can give you links to very long threads if you missed them. :)
[06:29:23] Captain_Murdoch: I never have anything autoexpire that I know of.
[06:29:58] sphery: that makes 2 of us... I also want to balance spindles (and reduce fragmentation) and I only have local storage on each backend.
[06:30:12] sphery: so the current implementation works great for me.
[06:30:34] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I read that thread as well. I think that's another SG tuning option possibly. SG was probably the biggest feature ever added that didn't really have any (normal) user-configurable options (except for directory names).
[06:30:58] kormoc: Wasn't there an issue with SG's only expiring off of one spindle?
[06:32:02] sphery: btw, Captain_Murdoch , I wasn't trying to force you back into coding for myth will all my talk of your wonderful (partial) patches, either.  :)
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[06:32:11] kormoc: Anyone happen to know the path from NuppleVideoPlayer to videoout_xv? :P
[06:32:54] Captain_Murdoch: sphery, no, I've been anticipating some coding time in December. :)
[06:33:53] Captain_Murdoch: granted those two patches are getting less and less interesting with things like VDPAU and I'm transcoding less and less as it is.
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[06:33:59] sphery: too bad I haven't finished my alterations to the housekeeper that would allow only running jobs when nothing else is happening and start doing the optimize/analyze/repair/backup in the housekeeper.
[06:34:27] sphery: having them done when you have some time would have been good... :)
[06:34:53] kormoc: optimize/analyze/repair shouldn't really be too bad as normal housekeeping, no?
[06:34:56] sphery: yeah, transcoding doesn't make much sense these days with storage as cheap as it is and with devices getting better and better support for HDTV
[06:35:15] kormoc: I mean, plenty of people already just cron optimizedb and call it good, it'd be about the same
[06:35:17] Captain_Murdoch: I'm thinking of spending some time finishing up giving the master the ability to wakeup slaves and put them to sleep as needed. I have the code done, but haven't had a chance to setup my systems to give it a full-fledged test where I'd feel comfortable committing it.
[06:35:41] kormoc: and could always just do a db backup on backend starting ever so many days rather then having it in the housekeeping thread
[06:35:50] sphery: kormoc: yeah, I considered doing at least a check of table status to log errors when tables crash, but decided it's better to wait until we can ensure nothing else is happening (recordedseek takes quite some time).
[06:36:00] kormoc: fair 'nuff
[06:37:07] sphery: and for the repair, I wanted some safety stuff in place that prevents anyone from accessing tables in the event a repair is going on (because a MySQL server crash during a repair needs to be followed immediately by a repair before the table that was being repaired is accessed)
[06:37:20] sphery: I may actually work on it a bit this week...
[06:37:23] kormoc: yeah, true
[06:37:40] kormoc: could always just repair on MBE start
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[06:37:53] sphery: So I figured if the user is scheduling the repair, it's their responsibility. If it's happening at some time they don't know about,...
[06:38:02] kormoc: yeah, likely safe
[06:39:10] sphery: of course, whether I get to work on it may depend on whether we're going to change all the utf8_bin columns (save storagegroup.dirname) to utf8_general_ci--i.e. if I have to write that patch, I won't be working on the housekeeper patch :)
[06:39:11] RyeBrye: sphery – transcoding to multiple formats for easy dumping to a card or to a phone for playback on the go does make sense I think – but transcoding just to save space does not make as much sense
[06:39:42] RyeBrye: although I've thought of just having my box transcode older HD recordings to AVCHD at night just to give it something to do
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[06:39:57] sphery: yeah, it makes sense if you don't mind watching TV on a 2.5" screen... My limit is my 15.4" widescreen laptop screen
[06:40:25] sphery: you could always have it run some BOINC/SETI work units...
[06:41:13] RyeBrye: Yeah, but with my luck I'd find an alien
[06:41:27] RyeBrye: one that doesn't want to be found...
[06:42:19] creol: Hey all... got a new problem with audio. It happened after disk became full. Now I get "NVP: prebuffering pause" "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." and "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" and the video freezes etc.. any suggestions?
[06:42:33] sphery: like The Day The Earth Stood Still (re-imagined) alien...
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[06:43:15] sphery: creol likely database corruption... run optimize_mythdb.pl
[06:43:30] creol: cool i'll give it a try
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[06:43:44] RyeBrye: does optimize_mythdb.pl do the same thing as clicking "optimize" in mythweb?
[06:43:46] sphery: creol: then, after you run that, you'll need to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable for every recording with prebuffering pauses :)
[06:44:09] sphery: creol: specifically, we're talking about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffe . . . t_Seek_Table
[06:44:54] sphery: wow... we're up to 9 different cases for prebuffering pauses... cool.
[06:45:02] sphery: that page is actually becoming useful
[06:46:56] sphery: gregL: for when you wake up: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5957
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[06:49:12] sphery: If AlNahar were here, I'd tell him that the LIRC/gnome-screensaver-command fix is in -fixes [19222], so it will be in ATrpms once they get that revision...
[06:52:07] sphery: re: #5956, how in the world could you have :0.0 and :0.1 and claim to have "no xinerama/twinview"
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[06:53:48] creol: so i could not run optimize_mythdb.pl so I looked in mythweb and saw the button for optimize. I went ahead and clicked it but it does not appear to be doing anything. Should I wait a while? Also I noticed that the "recordedseek Table is marked as crashed and last repair failed " so your probably right.
[06:54:46] RyeBrye: there is a repair button there too
[06:54:46] sphery: creol: you'll actually need to run the repair, not the optimize in mythweb
[06:55:02] RyeBrye: it can take a little while
[06:55:27] sphery: the script is called optimize_mythdb.pl because it's meant to be run in a daily cron job so it's given the more general name "optimize" though it also does repair and analyze
[06:55:56] sphery: and, really, after running repair, you may benefit from running analyze more than from running optimize
[06:56:23] kormoc: Optimize in mythweb runs both analyze and optimize
[06:56:39] kormoc: I also keep meaning to add a repair specific table thing
[06:56:55] kormoc: but yes, it takes a fair bit of time to analyze/optimize/repair
[06:57:05] sphery: optimize_mythdb.pl should work if you have a proper ~/.mythtv/config.xml /and/ if your backend is running (don't think it works when the backend is shut down since it uses the perl bindings)
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[06:57:30] sphery: kormoc: oh, didn't know how it was implemented in mythweb, so optimize is all you'd need then
[06:57:42] creol: I noticed that the rigths on the "optimze_mythdb.pl" were "-rw-r--r-- " so will it even run?
[06:58:21] kormoc: sphery, aye, I figured I'd name it as more the functionality rather then raw commands
[06:58:38] sphery: yeah, makes sense
[06:59:08] kormoc: and the check table button actually does a extended check, so if something's really odd, it might pick up something more outlandish then normal
[07:00:25] sphery: on my system--where I run optimize_mythdb.pl daily--it takes 36 seconds to run optimize_mythdb.pl (doing optimize/analyze/repair on all tables) with an Athlon XP 2400+ and with 486 recordings (which affect DB size--mine is 240MB including indices)
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[07:00:52] sphery: if you haven't ever run optimize/analyze/repair, that's likely to take at least a couple of minutes
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[07:01:00] creol: i was not sure did someone answer my question about the rights to "optimize_mythdb.pl" Should I change them? they are "-rw-r--r-- "
[07:01:22] kormoc: creol, you can run perl /path/to/optimize_mythdb.pl and it'll execute that way as well
[07:01:26] sphery: you can change them to 755 or just execute it with perl /path/to/optimize_mythdb.pl
[07:01:31] sphery: kormoc types fast
[07:01:39] kormoc: too much practice :)
[07:01:49] creol: okay thanks
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[07:02:36] creol: will there be any sign of it running in ps?
[07:03:07] kormoc: should
[07:03:19] kormoc: and it shouldn't return back to a prompt until it's done
[07:03:29] kormoc: but you'll only see mysql using all the cpu in top
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[07:08:42] creol: im getting an error "No backends found. Please copy /root/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead." i looked for a good config.xml but the only one I found is blank.
[07:09:02] kormoc: or restart/start the backend?
[07:10:38] sphery: creol: have you ever run mythfrontend on any machine?
[07:11:06] sphery: creol: if so, look in the $HOME/.mythtv directory of the user who runs mythfrontend to find a good config.xml
[07:11:35] sphery: (and if you don't have one, it's because you have a $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt, which you should delete so that mythfrontend will make a good config.xml)
[07:14:45] creol: okay i see the $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt but i just noticed the the mythcommflag is running. In fact there are two running. I guess I must have started it without realizing in mythweb
[07:16:25] creol: that is the process that runs the repair right??
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[07:17:14] sphery: no, mythcommflag does the commercial flagging
[07:17:38] sphery: it can be used to repair a seektable, but for MPEG-2, you'd want to run mythtranscode.
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[07:18:30] sphery: use ps -efw | grep mythcommflag to check the arguments to mythcommflag and see if they include --rebuild . If not, it's finding commercials. If so, it's rebuilding a seektable
[07:18:45] kormoc: Whee! Time to crash the frontend!
[07:19:22] sphery: if it doesn't crash at least once, you know the problem you chose to fix wasn't hard enough
[07:19:34] sphery: so you'll have to choose a harder problem next
[07:19:35] creol: your right no --rebuild.
[07:20:07] sphery: did you get the optimize_mythdb.pl to run or did you run the repair through mythweb?
[07:20:15] sphery: that has to be done first.
[07:20:21] creol: no running yet
[07:20:57] kormoc: sphery, so if I crash it a few hundred times, does that mean it was too hard? :P
[07:20:58] sphery: you should be able to rm ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt then start mythfrontend then you should have a good config.xml
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[07:21:07] sphery: kormoc: that may be :)
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[07:25:40] creol: ran the "optimize_mythdb.pl" it went pretty fast. Yeah!!! Is that all?
[07:27:45] creol: Yep definately fixed!!!! thanks for your help. Now back to HEROES
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[07:29:10] sphery: creol: yeah, if you have any more prebuffering pauses in any recordings, you'll have to manally run mythcommflag or mythtranscode to fix the seektable for them as described in the wiki page, why am I still typing since you're gone?
[07:30:05] kormoc: you're too helpful?
[07:30:12] sphery: heh
[07:31:46] kormoc: you know
[07:31:58] kormoc: I just don't understand the const keyword I think
[07:32:11] kormoc: void* const* seems odd to me
[07:32:19] kormoc: for something that's being changed
[07:32:27] sphery: I don't think anyone's supposed to understand how it works in C++
[07:33:13] FisherPrice: sphery: im back... how can i fix the problem with the mythbackend not connecting to the server
[07:33:45] sphery: FisherPrice: if you're getting issues with MySQL saying the database is not open, you need to check the MySQL error logs
[07:34:04] FisherPrice: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[07:35:11] sphery: yeah, so look at the MySQL error log (i.e. /srv/mysql/<hostname>.err or /var/mysql/<hostname>.err --replace <hostname> as appropriate
[07:36:05] FisherPrice: there's nothing in it
[07:36:33] FisherPrice: i think the problem is with the mythbackend setup
[07:36:37] FisherPrice: not mysql
[07:36:55] FisherPrice: there has to be a configuration file somewhere
[07:38:06] sphery: FisherPrice: rm ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[07:38:20] sphery: do you have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml ?
[07:38:27] sphery: if so, is it also blank?
[07:38:37] FisherPrice: yes and yes
[07:38:40] FisherPrice: it's blank
[07:38:46] sphery: rm ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[07:38:51] sphery: then start mythtv-setup
[07:39:27] sphery: answer questions about master backend ip address and this hosts's ip address and DB username and password
[07:39:31] sphery: then it should work
[07:40:33] FisherPrice: YAY, i have something up
[07:40:49] FisherPrice: the mysql.txt didn't have the right values in it
[07:40:58] sphery: yeah, mysql.txt should not exist
[07:41:03] sphery: it's deprecated
[07:42:15] FisherPrice: well i think i must have an older version
[07:42:24] FisherPrice: I install from mythbuntu
[07:42:29] FisherPrice: installed
[07:42:33] FisherPrice: 8.04
[07:42:36] sphery: no, mysql.txt is used in preference to config.xml if it exists but is should not exist
[07:43:28] sphery: if it exists, it generally just breaks things--like preventing the creation of config.xml so that no scripts that use the perl bindings (such as optimize_mythdb.pl and mythrename.pl --link and ...) will work
[07:43:49] FisherPrice: OK, well then how do i fix that then?
[07:44:03] FisherPrice: it seems that without the mysql.txt then it doesn't work
[07:44:13] sphery: rm ~/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}
[07:44:13] FisherPrice: and the config.xml is empty
[07:44:29] sphery: then start mythtv-setup , set the DB info, it should create the config.xml
[07:44:36] sphery: if it doesn't, then start mythfrontend and it will
[07:44:45] FisherPrice: kk, I'll do that... but instead of actually deleting them (incase it breaks again) I'll rename them
[07:44:58] sphery: then put that config.xml in ~/.mythtv for any user who will run mythtv programs or scripts on any system
[07:45:04] sphery: that works
[07:45:08] FisherPrice: kk
[07:45:10] FisherPrice: I'll try that
[07:45:46] sphery: and, yeah, *buntu still use mysql.txt because it's easier for packagers (though it causes problems, as I've mentioned)
[07:47:47] FisherPrice: do i "sudo mythtv-setup"
[07:48:21] sphery: no, mythtv-setup should be run as the same user that runs mythbackend or mythfrontend
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[07:49:17] sphery: if your distro runs mythbackend or mythfrontend as root, then run mythtv-setup as the user who runs the other (i.e. the mythtv user)--it doesn't need to be root unless it runs both as root
[07:49:32] kormoc: oh yay! Nvidia's docs and the headers shipping with the driver are different!
[07:49:47] sphery: API changes?
[07:50:02] kormoc: could be
[07:50:09] sphery: fun
[07:50:17] kormoc: I'm hoping that perhaps it's just cause I'm on .08 and .11 is what the docs are for
[07:50:19] FisherPrice: sphery: i had to manually stop mythbackend as sudo
[07:50:21] kormoc: so I'm updating and shall see
[07:50:28] FisherPrice: since i ran the setup at the user
[07:50:35] kormoc: would be nice if perhaps my code is correct and the updated driver actually works :)
[07:50:49] sphery: right, if mythbackend is running as root, root would have to stop it.
[07:51:10] kormoc: nope, same define in the headers...
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[07:54:25] wagnerrp: is there any way to get mplayer VDPAU to scale the video?
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[07:55:00] kormoc: wagnerrp, zoom commands should work
[07:55:06] kormoc: well, zoom/aspect
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[07:57:50] wagnerrp: hmm... i guess my problem is something else
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[07:58:40] kormoc: wagnerrp, was fixed in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19179
[07:59:26] wagnerrp: actually, i just reinstalled the machine, trying to get it working again
[07:59:50] wagnerrp: i added the card briefly before installing, and got mpeg2 working, but not h.254
[07:59:54] wagnerrp: now it seems nothing works
[07:59:59] wagnerrp: ....going to try rebuilding mplayer
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[08:22:16] FisherPrice: thanks sphery
[08:22:34] wagnerrp: trying rebuilding the newer version of mplayer
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[08:26:47] ikke: should patches be made against trunk or 21-fixes? does it matter?
[08:27:12] kormoc: depends on what it is
[08:27:22] kormoc: but most of the time, -trunk
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[08:56:02] wagnerrp: aaaaggh....
[08:56:36] wagnerrp: mplayer kept failing because there was a zombie mplayer already running, bound to the interface
[08:57:54] kormoc: ha
[08:58:18] kormoc: so I'm half convinced that the nvidia interface doesn't allocate the memory it needs itself, and relies on me to allocate it for it
[08:58:31] kormoc: and that's a bad thing for it to rely on me for
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[09:21:22] distatica: Are there any recommended USB capture cards for use with MythTV?
[09:21:26] distatica: something that I could use with my laptop
[09:21:53] distatica: cheaper is nice, but... spending 20 days trying to install drivers is not very cheap.
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[09:44:30] doc__: hi there
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[10:10:53] ** Dibblah needs a map of the stuarts, to prevent confusion :) **
[10:11:36] Dibblah: gbee: Do you have any comments on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5447
[10:11:45] Dibblah: (Memory leak in the backend)
[10:12:05] Dibblah: I've looked at the valgrind, nothing useful there.
[10:13:15] ** Dibblah wonders if this is something to do with the queueing up of preview processes that was fixed some time ago. **
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[10:17:33] Dibblah: I definitely can't get any growth from the backend from pulling the status page – That was fixed some time ago.
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[10:22:22] Dibblah: Okay. I'm lying.
[10:22:48] Dibblah: I can get the backend to grow by 300Mb by continuous polling of the status page for a few minutes.
[10:23:48] Dibblah: Argh. No, a recording started at the same time :(
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[11:55:08] Dibblah: Wow. Just did a test with a no-name vs seasonic PSU with a low-power board (25w with a PicoPSU + wall-wart).
[11:55:12] Dibblah: No-name – 47w@idle.
[11:55:21] Dibblah: Seasonic – 17.1w @idle.
[11:55:54] Dibblah: I really love c2d mobile for it's low power consumption :)
[11:57:34] Dibblah: So, if you leave your PC on 24/7 @ idle, it costs (here) £30 / year.
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[12:01:23] laga: i just shut mine down. :)
[12:02:32] Dibblah: For a Myth backend, that's rather hard to accomplish :)
[12:02:45] laga: not hard at all. -> mythwelcome
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[12:03:02] Dibblah: mythwelcome is frontend.
[12:03:17] Dibblah: You mean the sleep / wake functionality built into the backend. ;)
[12:06:41] clever: Dibblah: my c2do is currently ~4–5$/month
[12:07:19] Dibblah: Damn all you countries with cheap electricity.
[12:07:33] clever: its ~9cents/kwh
[12:07:44] Dibblah: As I said.
[12:08:07] clever: thats the average monthly cost of the items ive measured
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[12:08:33] clever: i think it was ~50watts or something
[12:08:50] clever: wait bad memory:P
[12:08:54] clever: 2.45$/month
[12:09:05] clever: you may repeat your statement in CAPS! :P
[12:09:49] clever: its drawing a total of 25kwh per month
[12:09:55] clever: assuming i left it on 24/7
[12:09:58] clever: which i dont
[12:10:19] Dibblah: 17.3p / kwh.
[12:10:42] clever: im guessing a 'p' is a fraction of a '£'
[12:11:07] Dibblah: £0.173
[12:11:14] clever: i guessed right:P
[12:12:00] clever: currently, my most expensive item is the upstairs fridge at 118 kwh per month
[12:12:00] clever: the total between all the items only covers half the bill
[12:12:00] clever: so theres still alot to measure
[12:12:07] Dibblah: Which works out to £1.50 / watt-year.
[12:12:37] clever: 3 more desktops is about the only other things i can measure
[12:12:56] clever: everything else is hard wired(lights, furnace, stove, oven, dish washer)
[12:13:03] Dibblah: Heh. That didn't stop me.
[12:13:05] Dibblah: http://pendor.org/power/
[12:13:58] clever: i discovered something horid when shuting the breaker for the upstairs lights off
[12:14:07] clever: every damn light in the upstairs floor is on 1 breaker
[12:14:13] clever: including the outdoor lights
[12:14:44] quicksilver: Dibblah: 47w @idle = yowch.
[12:14:57] clever: 8 switches, 23 bulbs
[12:15:06] clever: 1 breaker!
[12:15:32] Dibblah: quicksilver: My old dual Xeon server was 350 or so.
[12:15:46] ** quicksilver should get around to testing his. **
[12:15:49] Dibblah: New server is 120w.
[12:15:58] Dibblah: And much, much faster :)
[12:16:35] dustybin: Dibblah: what kind of box is your server in?
[12:16:39] clever: im reading 80 watts on my 2.9ghz celeron
[12:16:59] ** quicksilver plans to replace his server only if/wehn HD DVB-T2 makes it to the bit of the UK he lives in, and working DVB-T2 cards exist. **
[12:17:07] quicksilver: I figure this could be quite some time off.
[12:17:18] Dibblah: dustybin: Now it's a c2d 8500.
[12:17:35] clever: Dibblah: lets see if your link will load this time
[12:17:38] dustybin: quicksilver: same here
[12:17:52] clever: Dibblah: ahhh yes, measuring the power right at the meter?
[12:18:29] Dibblah: Yeah, almost.
[12:18:36] clever: thats more of a total though
[12:18:44] clever: so its hard to see what a certain item is doing
[12:19:04] clever: you would have to unplug it and then check the graph
[12:19:13] clever: and hope nothing else cycles on/off
[12:19:44] Dibblah: Not so much. You get to know what your consumption is made of.
[12:19:57] clever: ?
[12:20:26] Dibblah: Here, the only real transitive items are fridge/freezer, central heating and fishtank heater.
[12:20:29] dustybin: clever: would you a job working in IT?
[12:20:32] dustybin: like
[12:20:36] Dibblah: The rest is on-demand.
[12:20:44] clever: you could hook something up to the furnace to monitor the on/off times of the furnace
[12:20:50] clever: and put markers on the graph
[12:21:09] clever: so every spike from the furnace will be neatly marked as 'furnace'
[12:21:57] clever: mines an oil based water heater, so just some kind of air flow monitor layed over the intake can detect if the blower is going
[12:22:21] clever: or just 2 sheets of tin foil that get pulled closed by the 'wind' :P
[12:22:44] Dibblah: "hook something up to the furnace"...
[12:22:52] Dibblah: Err.. I thought I'd shown this before.
[12:22:59] clever: Dibblah: it doesnt have to actualy be wired it, it just needs to sense when the furnace is on
[12:23:20] clever: yeah i have seen the power meter graph before somewhere, an led in the meter, posibly IR led
[12:23:49] Dibblah: clever: No, it's a proper power meter. I have the old spinney disk meter.
[12:24:12] Dibblah: ... So current transformer / voltage transformer / souncard / wireless router board.
[12:25:06] clever: even my 'digital' meter at the mast has the spinny disk, they just covered the front edge with a bit of plastic with a bar code
[12:25:06] clever: and added a lcd display for totals
[12:25:06] clever: and some type of rf system i think, to read it from a distance
[12:25:06] clever: sound card?
[12:25:27] Dibblah: ... You're better off not knowing.
[12:25:35] Dibblah: http://pendor.org/temp/
[12:25:43] Dibblah: That's my central heating controller.
[12:25:47] clever: even when i hooked the phone into my sound card i isolated it:P
[12:26:03] clever: ive thought of hooking the computer into the furnace's zones
[12:26:21] clever: ive got a pc in the furnace room with a spare LPT port
[12:26:45] clever: just need to set it to bidirectional mode and find some way to sense/switch the ~20v ac on the lines
[12:26:51] Dibblah: This is all one-wire stuff. And again, a wireless router board.
[12:27:04] Dibblah: But... This is not Myth related. Sorry :(
[12:27:12] clever: then we could move to PM :P
[12:27:35] Dibblah: Or ##electronics, but it's not really there either.
[12:27:44] Dibblah: And I actually have work I should be doing :)
[12:28:01] clever: i could use one of those clamp on amp meters
[12:28:16] clever: half the wires for the furnace are semi exposed in the main switch box
[12:28:33] laga: please don't kill yourself
[12:28:47] clever: ive grabed 120v ac before and bearly noticed it:P
[12:29:11] clever: its just a tingle in the fingers that are touching the source
[12:29:21] clever: but that wasnt raw 120 right from the socket
[12:30:27] ** Dibblah is of the opinion that people that want to play with mains should. **
[12:30:42] Dibblah: ... If they are stupid, they don't breed.
[12:30:49] clever: theres 120v ac between my STB box and GND
[12:30:55] clever: the damn thing leaks like a sive
[12:31:12] clever: every time i touched the box to change channels, with my feet on the desktop, i got a tingle in my fingers
[12:31:24] Dibblah: clever: You're misunderstanding. It's nothing to do with "leaking".
[12:31:27] clever: if i grabed the coax and box to connect them, i could feel the power
[12:31:42] Dibblah: You have a classic ground loop / ground potential difference.
[12:32:33] clever: Dibblah: if i connect ONLY the power to the box, then grab the grounded coax and box
[12:32:33] clever: i could feel the difference
[12:32:33] clever: though the box doesnt have gnd on its cord
[12:32:59] clever: the other main case was the socket above the stairs
[12:33:05] clever: GND==HOT!
[12:33:08] Dibblah: Yes, I know the symptoms.
[12:33:24] Dibblah: Here, the ground in question is the shield of the coax.
[12:33:24] clever: so that meant the computer i was using at the dinning room table, had the entire case HOT for a week:P
[12:33:34] clever: and sitting on a wooden chair/floor, i was isolated
[12:33:36] Dibblah: It's not fully hot.
[12:33:46] clever: i pluged one of those testers with 3 lights in
[12:33:48] clever: it exploded
[12:34:01] Dibblah: I really don't care.
[12:34:22] clever: i never noticed the problem till i ran an audio line to another room where the power was 'proper'
[12:34:23] Dibblah: If you're not willing to look up the source of your problem.
[12:34:32] clever: we have torn the box open
[12:34:52] clever: the problem is the sheild of the cable(metal wraped) is eletricaly HOT, and so the whole box is HOT
[12:35:06] clever: and dad doesnt want to start tearing walls open
[12:35:14] Dibblah: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/home_solving.html
[12:35:39] clever: i can understand how i might get a ground loop between an ungrounded STB and coax
[12:35:40] Dibblah: And once again, as I said, it's a ground loop. Or a very similar problem of dissimilar grounds.
[12:35:52] clever: but i dont understand how it can happen between the GND on 2 seperate sockets
[12:35:55] Dibblah: ARGH. Please read the bloody link.
[12:36:04] clever: there was 0 volts between GND and HOT on that socket
[12:36:14] clever: that sounds like a totaly diff thing
[12:36:54] clever: dad did all his tests relative to the GND in the socket, and he tought the hot/neutral where backwards
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[13:49:50] janneg: sphery: thanks the collate change was unintended, changing the defaults too
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[14:12:01] jarle: will the dvb-s channel scanner automatically delete channels that is not it the listings anymore on a new channel scan?
[14:13:15] clever: ive found a new problem
[14:13:24] clever: i mark a recording as watched and transcode it
[14:13:28] clever: and the watched flag is lost
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[14:26:47] pheld: is there a way to speed up the recognition of mpeg4/h.264/ac3 content? I upped the timer in libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.cpp:1056 from 16 sec to 10min to make the player more patient and timed how long it takes from entering live-tv from the menu till the backend starts serving up content.
[14:27:44] pheld: results vary a lot across 10 samples on a channel, but are in general slow ex min/avg/max values (sec) are:
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[14:28:27] pheld: eurosport 16/27/44
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[14:29:07] pheld: DiscoveryChan 248/358/406
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[14:33:21] pheld: when the picture finally appear it looks fine, and recording doed not abort due to errors.
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[14:35:27] pheld: there's a few crc-errors reported, but they don't appear to ruin the video, nor do they affect handling of mpeg2 channels for which recording starts within 2–3 sec.
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[16:02:39] sphery: janneg: Thank you for the quick turnaround. Though the collation change was unintentional, I still don't see a reason for using utf8-bin for any of those fields other than storagegroup.dirname, but I can't decide if it's actually worth the code required for fixing dups before changing collation.  :)
[16:03:54] janneg: especially for people with strange spelled names ;)
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[16:09:11] sphery: janneg: yeah, the failure that was reported last night was JoAnna Garcia/Joanna Garcia.
[16:13:09] janneg: sphery: I've seen that
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[16:42:36] iamlindoro_: Yay for going by an employer that fired you to pick up your personnel file
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[16:50:28] Chicago: iamlindoro_: Huh?
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[16:54:53] sphery: gregL: You probably don't need to create a new database...
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[17:07:49] MoeGreen: hello everyone. I currently have mythtv on a pc, but was wondering is it possible to put it on a powerbook g4? Anybody out there have it done already?
[17:10:13] Chicago: MoeGreen: That's more of an operating system issue.
[17:10:24] Chicago: Which operating system do you use MythTV on today?
[17:10:47] iamlindoro_: Running Linux or Mac OS? Frontend runs on PowerPC Mac OS, backend and frontend run on Intel OS X, but you're likely to be limited by driver support
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[17:11:31] MoeGreen: i use and like knoppmyth
[17:12:23] MoeGreen: yeah i thought drivers would get in the way
[17:13:09] iamlindoro_: MoeGreen: If the linux drivers will compile on PowerPC arch, you would be fine, but it's probably not the targeted arch, anyway, you will likely run into issues.
[17:13:22] iamlindoro_: PPC is not the best choice for myth, backend or frontend
[17:14:09] iamlindoro_: Intel Mac OS X runs a fair bit better, but still not optimal-- Linux on x86 or 64 is really the sweet spot
[17:14:21] iamlindoro_: For myth, that is to say
[17:15:07] MoeGreen: cool..thats what i thought but didnt know for sure. Its my buddies powerbook and after he saw my sweet setup on my athlon 64 he wanted it but wasnt sure..thx for clearing it up for me.
[17:15:08] sphery: And, x86 (generic) is dirt-cheap compared to Apple stuff.  :)
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[17:15:39] sphery: you could probably make it work on PPC, but would likely need to do some porting work/submit patches
[17:15:55] sphery: few have had an interest in doing so in the past
[17:16:06] iamlindoro_: It's a rapidly diminishing group
[17:16:38] sphery: Yeah, kind of like the whole Alpha thing... If it's good, it's probably too good for /this/ world.  :)
[17:16:51] iamlindoro_: Though there will always be the "$Devicewithscreen = Perfect frontend!" crowd
[17:17:42] sphery: yeah, I still can't believe (with some of the constraints on the Openmoko FreeRunner) that some are trying to get Myth running on FreeRunner
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[17:18:34] iamlindoro_: or even more frequently, "$devicewithvideoout = perfect frontend"
[17:18:38] sphery: The bus that pushes the display constrains you to about 320x240@24fps (max), IIRC (though the screen is 640x480(at least 30Hz, possibly more)
[17:18:42] iamlindoro_: even if said device is a collection of closed ASICS
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[17:19:52] sphery: I really don't want to write up the response that I promised to the guy whose mythfilldatabase isn't running if he'd provide some info for me...
[17:20:03] Chicago: sphery: I have a handset based on the Qualcomm MSM7500 chip, don't know if they use it on Openmoko... but it's capable of displaying the video at the right framerate at the right bitrate at the right resolution... but running QT frontend might be too much.
[17:20:52] sphery: It's a very subtle bug I've seen twice, then when I made time to fix it, I couldn't find it (forgot the details)... Now I have to find it again. Feel like I should sign up for another Schedules Direct subscription because of all the testing requests it will require.
[17:21:34] iamlindoro_: sphery: Are you doing all EIT right now?
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[17:21:44] iamlindoro_: sphery: oh, you mean a second
[17:22:25] sphery: Chicago: Yeah, the FreeRunner actually has a really nice GPU with a lot of acceleration possibilities, but the company that made it promised to release specs when Openmoko designed the phone and then changed their tune after the hardware was designed. So, now, without the specs, and limited by the bus that feeds the GPU, the video performance on the FreeRunner is quite lacking.
[17:23:11] Chicago: Are you talking about the newest model?
[17:23:27] Chicago: I am certain the whole principle of openmoko is open specs.
[17:23:33] sphery: iamlindoro_: Yeah, a second because I'll be using more than my one/recommended time request to do the tests. Couldn't use EIT, here, because my local stations transmit garbage (just enough to make the FCC happy--I've only seen now/next info).
[17:24:46] iamlindoro_: sphery: Reminds me to check whether SD has gotten my channel updates yet-- entering week two without listings for 12 new channels
[17:25:10] iamlindoro_: Yay, looks like they came in last night
[17:25:30] sphery: Chicago: Yep, the GTA02. The principle is open specs. The company that made the GPU said, sure, then went back on their words. The next Openmoko (GTA03) will obviously have a different GPU. (Though Openmoko is doing a really good job of handling the situation and is working to get limited release of the specs--probably under NDA--to some truly interested/capable volunteer developers, so we can get some acceleration support).
[17:26:00] Chicago: sphery: What a public deception.
[17:26:08] Chicago: I am sorry for those who waited and wasted money.
[17:26:11] sphery: iamlindoro_: nice... they seem to be pretty good at it (much better than before we started paying).
[17:26:29] Chicago: In October I wanted to buy one, but bought a different manufacturer's toy instead.
[17:26:56] iamlindoro_: sphery: Yeah, usually-- I have had to resort to finding my own XMLids and adding channels manually for a week or two a couple times, sort of a bummer but nothing too painful
[17:27:02] Chicago: Apparently, RIM is in the business of making handsets that Verizon Wireless can brand as their own now... but RIM still owns the patents on the device.
[17:27:11] iamlindoro_: sphery: only one I can about in this new group is Travel HD
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[17:27:35] iamlindoro_: sphery: Which, as is always pleasant to find, is also in the clear via firewire :)
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[17:28:56] toad_: do i need to do a separate scan for both of my cards? they seem to have different signal properties ... a nova-t 2 and a nova-t 3 ...
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[17:29:48] RyeBrye: Chicago – which phone dod you have on MSM75k?
[17:30:13] Chicago: PPC6800 aka Verizon XV6800
[17:30:17] Chicago: aka HTC Titan/Modul
[17:30:27] Chicago: Mogul
[17:30:51] sphery: Chicago: Yeah, it's not cool (kind of like a RAMBU*/JEDEC thing :). In reality, though, anyone who's buying Openmoko now should really just be doing it to a) support the cause with their $399 (which is all I've done because I haven't made time to do the hacking I want to do) or b) to develop/hack on the thing. So, people who are buying it for use as a full-time phone really aren't doing enough research first--doing so is kind ...
[17:30:58] sphery: ... of like buying a video card today for the promise of offloading video decode to the GPU--i.e. doing it before the drivers are stable, before the API is stable, before the programs which will be used to drive the GPU decoding are stable, and--most importantly--before the specific requirements are known. Only difference is the phone is $399 whereas the video card is $30 or so.  :)
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[17:31:19] sphery: that would be another of my novels ^^^
[17:31:23] RyeBrye: Android might be able to run on that phone – there's a group in #htc-linux I think working on porting android to different HTC phones. The G1 runs on msm7k architecture
[17:31:35] sphery: yeah, it's been ported to the FreeRunner
[17:31:48] inordkuo: i'm trying to help my brother get mythtv setup on his computer but we're getting lockups in ubuntu when we get too much going on the recording hard drive. would this indicate a bad hard drive?
[17:31:51] Chicago: RyeBrye: Yes, Android does compile from source run on the device.
[17:31:59] sphery: though, IMHO, running Android is supporting the enemy--or should I say, "frie-nemy"
[17:32:19] sphery: A certain company--who will remain nameless--did some very bad things in creating Android
[17:32:24] RyeBrye: Google?
[17:32:30] sphery: nameless, I said
[17:32:30] Chicago: RyeBrye: About 3 weeks ago I built the kernel for this unit and added a keyboard patch... both from the repositories given in #htc-linux.
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[17:33:00] Chicago: RyeBrye: I am going to build again in another week or 3 when I have more time.
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[17:33:37] Chicago: Android didn't run well though and didn't do everything it was supposed to... and didn't give a very big root file system and ran busy box.
[17:33:52] Chicago: So, I am going to boot it root on NFS and try to do a proper gentoo install on the phone.
[17:34:13] Chicago: Only problem right now is that the best driver I can get out of the kernel for networking is the infrared device... 2M – 4M /sec max.
[17:34:25] RyeBrye: sphery – what bad things did they do in making android?
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[17:34:53] sphery: bad things: a) Dalvik (is /not/ Java--saves some licensing $), b) web apps from a certain company are so tightly integrated into the OS, taking them out is tantamount to creating a whole new distro, c) it's not really a Free and Open Source Software phone it's a phone built with (some) Free and Open Source Software.
[17:35:14] sphery: good thing, though: Android works, and Openmoko really still doesn't :)
[17:36:22] sphery: IMHO, Google is just using "open source" for marketing--not really living up to the name
[17:36:38] Chicago: I would like linux on my old blackberries... that would be fun radio fun. fun.
[17:36:40] RyeBrye: sphery – the proprietary pieces from google are included in the builds that T-mobile / etc push down – but not in the open source builds. It is possible to build an open-source only build of Android and flash it to a G1 (but then you DO lose a few features – like some of the maps integration and youtube..etc)
[17:37:12] shadash: I want linux on a psp
[17:37:17] RyeBrye: But yes, the OSS thing was extremely annoying until we got root on the G1s and were able to flash the crap out of them
[17:38:29] Chicago: Lovely phones. :)
[17:38:29] sphery: but you can still only develop stuff "on top" of the distro (using Dalvik), right?
[17:39:03] Chicago: What if you build the root operating system under Android...? Android throws its rootfs into /system
[17:39:54] RyeBrye: sphery – well, so far that's the case for GUI apps – but there's a lot of native development going on now (which probably drives the Google people nuts)
[17:40:12] RyeBrye: You can run debian chroot on the phone alongside android
[17:40:17] sphery: I'm all for that, then... Keep driving!
[17:41:05] sphery: can you completely replace the OS on the phone, yet (i.e. has someone gotten debian or whatever running natively?)
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[17:41:52] iamlindoro_: Heh, Saturday Night Live's Original Airdate shows as "1975-10–11"
[17:42:10] sphery: generics always get the date of the first episode
[17:42:14] iamlindoro_: (Mind you, this is with the current cast) That's the first day they *ever* ran SNL
[17:42:15] sphery: must be a generic?
[17:42:27] iamlindoro_: yeah, I think they all are
[17:42:29] RyeBrye: You could replace the OS, yes – but the low-level bootloader is locked down right now so it would be a little risky if you somehow screwed it up into a non-bootable state
[17:42:55] Chicago: RyeBrye: Haret?
[17:43:15] sphery: Wow... I just can't see how they expect "open" (even their semi-open) and "locked" (to a single provider) to coexist.
[17:43:40] iamlindoro_: sphery: Repeats of Legend of the seeker premiere coming up, btw
[17:43:51] sphery: sweet!
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[17:44:31] jams: iamlindoro_ it is getting better, still not great but I do look forward to each weeks episode.
[17:44:45] RyeBrye: Chicago – haret doesn't work on it – the SPL bootloader right now listens to nobody and only will load a signed nbh file from the SDcard – but there is some hope – a few of the experienced HTC bootloader crackers are working at getting some way to fix that... One thing that helps is that one of the guys in the little G1 hacking circle had his original phone die – and the replacement they sent him magically has an engineerin
[17:44:45] RyeBrye: g bootloader on it (which is like winning the lottery, since they aren't supposed to be in the wild at all)
[17:44:45] iamlindoro_: jams: Yeah, I caught up last weekend, it's not too bad
[17:44:50] iamlindoro_: the chick is hoooot too
[17:44:55] jams: heh
[17:45:16] sphery: RyeBrye: can you run any Linux distros on HTC phones?
[17:45:39] sphery: iamlindoro_: I see prophecy coming up!  :)
[17:45:45] iamlindoro_: sphery: Yar
[17:45:47] RyeBrye: sphery – I'm not sure. I thikn you can on the other ones – there is a an htc-linux group that seems to be pretty focused on it
[17:46:05] sphery: cool
[17:46:28] sphery: It's amazing how much work goes into getting the kernel support for all the little devices they cram into phones...
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[17:47:06] sphery: it's also amazing how many Openmoko owners are upset about how much work it's taking (i.e. really upset that it doesn't "just work right now")
[17:47:34] Chicago: RyeBrye: What a lucky guy.
[17:47:39] jams: All decent backup solutions seem to be out of my price range. Even the iomega rev autoloader is still expensive.
[17:47:40] RyeBrye: Yeah, there is a hardware compass on the G1 and the driver also shows that the little thing that does the compass / accelerometer also has a thermometer sensor and a built-in "pedometer" (the thermometer / pedometer aren't used in any android stuff yet)
[17:48:09] sphery: iamlindoro_: now I just need destiny and brennidan to catch up...
[17:48:25] iamlindoro_: sphery: Maybe they're re-cycle through the holidays
[17:48:37] iamlindoro_: er they'll
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[17:48:42] jams: hah wgn just played brennidan this weekend
[17:48:50] sphery: RyeBrye: yeah, I heard Google chopped a bunch of the planned functionality before initial release because of time constraints
[17:49:08] sphery: hoping for the recycle
[17:49:13] dustybin: much of what we believe is in the present, is drawn from the past, what we feel is happening now, happened a little while ago.
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[17:50:31] wagnerrp: what dustybin has just consumed... is illegal in most countries
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[17:50:42] dustybin: wagnerrp: i cant even tell you at the moment, what at the moment means, even momentarily
[17:50:45] Chicago: lol
[17:51:06] Chicago: dustybin: Just tell us how you feel about it instead.
[17:51:37] wagnerrp: lay off the crack, leave relativity to the physicists and engineers
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[18:13:35] iamlindoro_: Ugh, *why* are people trying to save the ~$4 on the extra 256 MB of GPU memory??
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[18:14:25] Chicago: Maybe because they make $5 on the card profit???
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[18:15:12] iamlindoro_: Chicago: You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
[18:15:20] iamlindoro_: I am not referring to manufacturers
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[18:15:25] at0m|c: 256Mb extra!?
[18:15:30] ** at0m|c looks at his g450 **
[18:17:55] clever: rogers finaly got arround to a firmware update
[18:18:07] clever: the entire ui has been changed, and looks faster
[18:18:19] clever: so far the only new feature i see is a sleep timer
[18:18:24] wagnerrp: i know someone who was recommending g450s for linux HTPCs back around the turn of the century
[18:19:03] at0m|c: that g450 was my best spent 250eu ever
[18:19:17] at0m|c: that is, if we already had the Euro when i got it eh
[18:19:54] iamlindoro_: the g450 predates the physical euro :)
[18:20:07] iamlindoro_: Euro = 2002
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[18:20:27] at0m|c: oki 10.000 BEF then :)
[18:21:03] sphery: iamlindoro_: I think some are choosing the 256MB cards because they have systems that can only use a PCI card (which may be an issue in and of itself) and they want fanless--i.e. still the "buying before it's clear what's required" mistake, but they're also focusing on "requirements" that may prevent the card from doing what they want
[18:21:31] iamlindoro_: sphery: Also "lack of research", there are numerous fanless 512 MB PCI cards on the first *page* or results at newegg
[18:22:09] shadash: I'm forces to buy a ati rage xl b/c it's the ONLY mini-pci video card available (that can do 3d + Xv)
[18:22:11] sphery: hmmm... I haven't looked, but that was the impression I got from someone in here last night.
[18:22:13] shadash: forced
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[18:22:50] sphery: good to know they have 512MB PCI-based fanless ones--next time I'll keep pressing the issue of "don't cheap out if you're buying before requirements are known"
[18:23:06] shadash: <--- has a digimatrix that I want to use as a frontend
[18:24:06] shadash: default digimatrix has 1 mini-pci slot and sis onboard graphics card :-( ugh
[18:24:40] sphery: digimatrix sounds like some sort of line printer or plotter from the '80's
[18:25:15] shadash: no it's pretty nice little barbones unit
[18:25:29] shadash: but graphics are the limiting factor
[18:25:49] shadash: asus was trying to make a htpc before people really knew what one was
[18:25:57] wagnerrp: well you cant really call it bare-bones if it has no expansion slots
[18:26:25] shadash: it has a mini-pci slot ;-)
[18:26:38] wagnerrp: that doesnt count
[18:26:42] shadash: just before it's time
[18:26:56] wagnerrp: thats good for modems and network cards, little else
[18:27:01] shadash: I wish they woud redesign it with modern parts
[18:27:17] shadash: there's 1 mini-pci video card
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[18:27:28] shadash: ATI rage XL
[18:27:49] shadash: there was rumors of a digimatrix2
[18:27:50] iamlindoro_: So you're using outdated equipment. It's no surprise you can't buy worthwhile add ons for it.
[18:27:53] wagnerrp: theres also a couple capture cards, and raid/scsi cards
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[18:28:32] shadash: it can do 2.4ghz and 2gb of ram + is completely quite + and looks good
[18:29:38] iamlindoro_: So? Doesn't make it adequate for modern purposes. You'v mentioned for two days now how you want to use it, but it's just not up to the task.
[18:30:07] shadash: why? the only limiting factor is video?
[18:30:17] iamlindoro_: Isnt' that enough?
[18:30:25] shadash: with the video card available it's doable
[18:30:42] iamlindoro_: sphery: http://pc.pcconnection.com/1/1/233869-pny-gra . . . 512sppb.html
[18:30:44] iamlindoro_: sphery: pew pew
[18:30:54] iamlindoro_: shadash: Doable for what? SD at best.
[18:31:24] iamlindoro_: in which case, enjoy-- but stop mentioning it. We get it. You like your digimatrix. Boo hoo they don't make mini PCI GPUs. OK! We get it!
[18:33:09] squish102: anyone had experince with Linksys DMA2100 Digital Media Extender and mythtv?
[18:33:46] iamlindoro_: squish102: As what, a uPnp Client?
[18:33:55] squish102: yes
[18:34:23] iamlindoro_: No experience, but should work fine I would assume, within the codecs and containers it supports
[18:34:27] squish102: i think i saw a special for about $30 for it, and was wondering if that is throwing away money
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[18:40:26] ** AndyCap looked at digimatrix three years ago and decided it was crap. **
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[18:43:07] Josh_Borke: i'm trying to debug why my mythbackend process will not write out recorded programs to disk. i have plenty of free space but all I am getting in mythweb is a size of B
[18:43:26] kormoc: and the files on the disk itself?
[18:43:38] Josh_Borke: they are not there
[18:43:56] Josh_Borke: permissions on the folder are 777
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[18:44:11] iamlindoro_: B usually equals = a QAM channel got moved or firewire capture was 5C
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[18:44:31] Josh_Borke: how can i check if a QAM channel got moved?
[18:44:48] iamlindoro_: well, read your backend logs first
[18:45:09] Josh_Borke: i am, with a lot of verbosity
[18:45:19] iamlindoro_: Should be pretty apparent (at least to us) if the channels aren't there any more
[18:45:21] Josh_Borke: not exactly sure what i'm looking for though
[18:45:37] iamlindoro_: Josh_Borke: Where are you located, and with what provider?
[18:45:38] Josh_Borke: i get a "Frequency tuning successful." message
[18:45:57] Josh_Borke: US, cable
[18:45:59] iamlindoro_: Josh_Borke: Don't cherry pick messages from the log, that doesn't do us any good
[18:46:05] iamlindoro_: Where in the us, whose cable?
[18:46:15] Josh_Borke: southeast us, georgia tech residential cable
[18:46:39] Josh_Borke: broadcasting 256-QAM channels on channels 95 and 96
[18:46:48] iamlindoro_: You can pastebin your logs and it should be fairly obvious if stuff has moved.
[18:47:11] Josh_Borke: the channels haven't moved on my TV that has a QAM decoder in it
[18:47:21] Josh_Borke: which is getting the same signal as the card
[18:47:39] iamlindoro_: *sigh* OK, I'm not going to argue with you, I don't want to look at your logs any more
[18:47:43] iamlindoro_: best of luck
[18:48:10] Josh_Borke: right now the lags are too large to be pastey because i have all debugging turned on. are there specific debugging options i should have on?
[18:51:51] Josh_Borke: http://pastebin.ca/1275169 condensed log (uniq -f 2 mythbackend.log)
[18:53:23] Josh_Borke: before updating to f10 two days ago I was able to record programs hdtv programs on my hauppauge 1800 using myth. now, after reverting back to f9 where it was working from f10 i am no longer able to record anything (using separate hdds for the installations so there was no cross contamination)
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[19:09:37] shadash: iamlindoro_: so you're saying that a ATI rage XL has not chance at HD?
[19:09:57] shadash: no
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[19:16:31] Chutt: hahahaaha
[19:16:37] Chutt: VCRAddict just called me
[19:16:49] Chutt: asking why his posts to the mailing list never got approved
[19:17:40] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:17:40] GreyFoxx: No WAY.... he actually dug up your phone number and called you?!?
[19:17:42] kormoc: that's awesome
[19:17:45] Chutt: yes
[19:17:46] jams: wow
[19:17:47] iamlindoro_: He... *called* you?
[19:17:55] iamlindoro_: Jesus
[19:17:57] Chutt: whois mythtv.org, it's not hard to find my info
[19:18:42] Chutt: (i toggled his moderation bit after the whole HTML email rant, and then the demand off-list that he not be sent html formatted emails)
[19:18:44] GreyFoxx: same here, but still. It takes some strong feeling of self importance to do that :)
[19:19:04] Chutt: i also disabled his subscription, but he apparently went and re-enabled it
[19:20:06] GreyFoxx: I hope you gave him a little smack down heh
[19:20:16] Chutt: well, he called me an asshole and hungup
[19:20:28] GreyFoxx: nice :)
[19:21:59] jams: a lesser person would post his phone number someplace (assuming it showed up on caller id)
[19:22:24] iamlindoro_: Any notion of what the content of the moderated-out-of-existence e-mails was?
[19:22:49] Chutt: jams, oh, of course it did
[19:22:55] Chutt: iamlindoro, no
[19:23:04] Chutt: all moderated emails get discarded after 24 hours
[19:23:11] Chutt: since i get literally hundreds a day
[19:23:22] iamlindoro_: good times
[19:23:35] Chutt: mostly spam
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[19:26:03] Chutt: let's just take care of that list removal in a more permanent form
[19:26:11] GreyFoxx: heheh
[19:28:51] Chutt: there we go
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[19:33:21] Chutt: do i need to add "don't call the list owner about problems with the list" to the etiquette rules?
[19:33:42] GreyFoxx: That would bring the idea into their tiny little minds :)
[19:36:22] kormoc: jams, you know, it's not like he doesn't already tell you his phone number (his domain has a phone number on it's page)
[19:38:07] Chutt: not the same #
[19:38:28] kormoc: heh, fair 'nuff
[19:38:40] kormoc: but still, could get in contact with him if you tried enough
[19:38:46] Chutt: no reason to
[19:39:16] Chutt: it's over :p
[19:39:38] jams: kormoc- that could be, can't say I really looked at his website. Just saying I have seen things like that done in the past.
[19:39:43] Chutt: well, unless he re-signs up from another domain and posts to the list about how big of an asshole i am
[19:39:54] whodat: hi chutt
[19:40:28] laga: hum
[19:40:47] laga: time to transfer some money to my SIP account so i can call chutt ;)
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[19:41:25] Chutt: whodat, hi?
[19:41:54] whodat: what, I'm not allowed to say hi? lol
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[19:42:42] Chutt: :p
[19:44:06] AndyCap: the question remains, will VCRAddict discover irc?
[19:44:32] kormoc: perhaps he already has and is watching us this very minute!
[19:44:42] AndyCap: ZOMG!
[19:44:43] ** kormoc eyes everyone suspiciously **
[19:45:00] whodat: chutt: i believe I live in the same town as you, unless youve moved. anyway yeah so another mythtv system in the same town lol.
[19:45:12] GreyFoxx: 6
[19:45:13] _abbenormal: i dont like that looks so i poke his eye
[19:45:14] GreyFoxx: oops
[19:45:26] Chutt: willoughby?
[19:45:34] whodat: yeah
[19:45:46] whodat: i love off lost nation
[19:46:26] Chutt: yup yup
[19:46:31] Chutt: that's cool.
[19:46:45] whodat: anyone else in town with mythtv that you know?
[19:47:02] Chutt: no
[19:47:53] laga: it's kinda hard to miss chutt's license plate
[19:48:00] Chutt: =)
[19:48:14] whodat: i havent seen any license plates saying mythtv lol
[19:48:19] whodat: but i will be on the lookout ;)
[19:48:58] GreyFoxx: And all of the sudden Chutt notices an unmarked Van parked across the street with dark windows
[19:49:15] GreyFoxx: ;)
[19:49:51] iamlindoro_: Heh, I'm glad I bought AnyDVD Hd a year ago... They're going to a subscription model
[19:50:10] whodat: heh
[19:50:13] iamlindoro_: But current owners get lifetime upgrades
[19:50:22] GreyFoxx: Is it too late for me to buy it ?:)
[19:50:23] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:50:31] iamlindoro_: nope, you have through the end of the month
[19:50:32] whodat: i dont know where he lives i just know we are in the same town
[19:50:58] GreyFoxx: iamlindoro: I'm tempted to buy it even though I have no media to use it with yet :)
[19:51:13] GreyFoxx: I had planned on getting it eventually anyway :)
[19:51:24] wagnerrp: same here
[19:52:31] iamlindoro_: I know there's a lot of time invested in breaking new BD+ schemes every month so I guess it's no surprise... but still, I'm happy not to have to pay a subscription :)
[19:54:02] shadash: does it run in wine?
[19:54:39] iamlindoro_: No. Needs direct access to the drive. VMWare is fine.
[19:54:55] wagnerrp: well the question now is do you buy anydvd, or hold out for a functional OSS solution
[19:55:15] iamlindoro_: It's been money very well spent for me
[19:55:27] GreyFoxx: how much does it go for ?
[19:55:41] wagnerrp: well with how much you rip, im sure it was
[19:55:50] wagnerrp: i think its $80 or $90
[19:55:57] iamlindoro_: $80 right now
[19:56:37] wagnerrp: damn
[19:57:04] wagnerrp: i just picked up a 182, spent this afternoon moving my desktop over to it, started pulling the plastic coating off
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[19:57:22] wagnerrp: and i got a MASSIVE spark to the side of the case
[19:57:50] AndyCap: wagnerrp: good thing you weren't doing it in a vacuum. :P
[19:58:36] wagnerrp: well there would be other issues involved if i were
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[20:05:49] esperegu: I have a lot of recordings that are removed on the filesystem but now when I try to remove them on the web gui they don't get removed out of the database. any suggestions?
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[20:07:31] inordkuo: esperegu: how many files were removed?
[20:07:36] wagnerrp: fantastic, i boot up, and the fan on my secondary video card has gone south
[20:08:07] esperegu: inordkuo: a lot
[20:08:14] esperegu: about 100 I think
[20:08:24] LanUser: esperegu: there's probably a better way, but you could do a touch "filename" and create them then when MythWeb tries to delete them they'll be avaiable to delete?
[20:09:35] wagnerrp: i think theres a script in contrib that removes orphan files like that
[20:10:01] iamlindoro_: myth.find_orphans.pl --dodbdelete
[20:10:03] wagnerrp: never used it, but i assume it just goes through and deletes any entry without a file to it
[20:10:41] iamlindoro_: In the opposite situation where you have files but no DB entires, you would use --dodelete
[20:11:38] jams: iamlindoro_ thanks for the heads up on slysoft
[20:11:49] iamlindoro_: jams: np
[20:12:10] jams: been using the demo and it expired last week
[20:12:25] sphery: wagnerrp: and you can use mythfrontend to delete them
[20:12:41] sphery: mythweb won't delete them, though
[20:13:05] sphery: wagnerrp: that was for esperegu (stupid w next to the e coupled with autocomplete)
[20:13:13] sphery: esperegu: and you can use mythfrontend to delete them, mythweb won't delete them, though
[20:14:18] esperegu: iamlindoro_: that is for me?
[20:14:27] iamlindoro_: yes
[20:15:04] esperegu: iamlindoro_: thx! will try
[20:16:10] esperegu: iamlindoro_: where should that file be?
[20:16:22] iamlindoro_: wherever you or your package installed it
[20:16:26] iamlindoro_: in contrib in the source
[20:16:59] wagnerrp: does BFG usually make decent cards? or are they just overclocked garbage?
[20:17:52] iamlindoro_: I have one BFG card, no complaints (But I don't really poke too hard at that stuff)
[20:18:15] wagnerrp: this isnt even one of their OCd cards
[20:18:21] wagnerrp: and i havent done anything to it
[20:18:26] wagnerrp: just plugged it in and went
[20:18:32] wagnerrp: i bought it for the price
[20:18:49] wagnerrp: first one i got, the heatsink was falling off
[20:18:55] esperegu: iamlindoro_: locate myth.find did not find anything. maybe my version is to old
[20:18:58] wagnerrp: this one, about a year later, the fan fails
[20:19:20] iamlindoro_: esperegu: find_orphans has been around for some time, it'd have to be a few years old at least
[20:19:55] wagnerrp: maybe look in /usr/share/mythtv
[20:21:33] sphery: yep, a few years old, not well maintained, and subject to catch your backend on fire (cue people starting to wonder if I meant the mythbackend...)
[20:22:54] sphery: Guess I should start working on the bug I promised a -user reader I'd work on...
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[20:23:38] iamlindoro_: Bah, physician, heal thyself
[20:25:44] sphery: Well, I feel like it would be easier to fix it than to continue experiencing the occasional bouts of guilt I feel when someone describes a situation which indicates they're being affected by the bug... The bug itself should be trivial to fix if I can just remember all the criteria for reproducing it.
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[20:26:22] esperegu: I gues I will have to download it here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . d_orphans.pl
[20:27:25] iamlindoro_: clever: Great. You're eating. Congratu-frickin-lations
[20:27:42] sphery: GreyFoxx: Didn't we just have a conversation the other day about how if you have :0.0 and :0.1 you're using Xinerama (or some Xinerama relative)? Did you notice http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5956 ? "I have my TV connected to my pc as a second x screen (no xinerama/twinview) Using latest SVN I can use VPDAU fine to play files with mythtv on my monitor [:0.0]. When mythtv is running on the TV [:0.1] playing the same files ...
[20:27:43] iamlindoro_: GET. A. JOB.
[20:27:47] clever: some weeks i dont eat much, just pepsi 24/7
[20:27:48] sphery: ... will crash Mythtv with a segmentation fault."
[20:27:54] clever: it makes the output a bit messy:P
[20:28:18] sphery: GreyFoxx: I wonder what makes so many people who use Xinerama think they're not using Xinerama...
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[20:29:04] clever: sphery: isnt xinerama the mode where you only have :0 and that covers all screens?
[20:29:06] sphery: esperegu: if you're not using trunk, you should download the version from -fixes, not from trunk
[20:29:08] GreyFoxx: sphery: drugs :)
[20:29:22] esperegu: sphery: k. thx
[20:29:32] GreyFoxx: clever: :0 is the entire thing, 0.0 is the first screen , 0.1 is the second
[20:29:39] GreyFoxx: :1 is another X session
[20:29:42] ** jams heads outside to push snow around **
[20:30:01] GreyFoxx: so for 99% of users :0 and :0.0 are interchangable since they only have 1 screen
[20:30:06] wagnerrp: white..... death.....
[20:30:07] clever: GreyFoxx: yes i know that, but with xinerama enabled it seems to merge all screns into :0.0 and let you move windows between screens
[20:30:37] GreyFoxx: They are merged into :0
[20:30:43] clever: ahh
[20:30:46] GreyFoxx: 0.1 and 0.0 are the actually sub elements
[20:30:52] clever: so :0 is not allways identical to :0.0?
[20:30:59] GreyFoxx: yes
[20:31:15] GreyFoxx: :0 is 0.0+0.1 + 0.2 + 0.3 and so on
[20:31:24] clever: i thought :0 just defaulted to screen 0
[20:31:29] sphery: :0 and :0.0 are identical if there's no xinerama, though, right?  :)
[20:31:33] clever: so i could still use :0.1 and :0.0 with xinerama enabled?
[20:31:34] GreyFoxx: right
[20:31:43] GreyFoxx: clever: You should be able to yes
[20:31:48] clever: ahhh:)
[20:31:49] wagnerrp: :0 is server 0, not screen
[20:32:05] GreyFoxx: exactly
[20:32:14] clever: wagnerrp: i was confused about where it would default to on server 0 after connecting
[20:32:20] sphery: GreyFoxx: Sure is amazing how many xinerama users are also drug users, then. Coincidence?
[20:32:30] GreyFoxx: hehe
[20:32:37] clever: my last xinerama problem, the -lXinerama was missing from every Makefile
[20:32:49] sphery: in Myth?
[20:32:52] clever: yes
[20:32:56] esperegu: sphery: and where can I find that version?
[20:33:07] clever: rerunning configure didnt fix it, and neither did nuking all Makefiles(reset config) and reconfiguring
[20:33:13] sphery: probably have your libs in a non-standard location or you need to do a make distclean, delete makefiles, then reconfigure
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[20:33:26] clever: sphery: i did delete the makefiles and run configure
[20:33:34] sphery: if libs are in a non-standard location, you'd have to specify that location
[20:33:35] clever: and its plain debian lenny that gave the problem
[20:34:36] clever: i managed to get a working compile by just adding that to the LIBS on every makefile
[20:34:40] sphery: esperegu: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . d_orphans.pl (or for direct download: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=txt )
[20:35:28] clever: oops
[20:35:32] esperegu: sphery: I have 0.20.2
[20:35:37] clever: i never tryed the audio yet in lenny:P
[20:35:45] clever: dead
[20:35:50] esperegu: sphery: will that version work on 0.20.2 +
[20:36:04] clever: ahhhh oss emulation is dead!
[20:36:19] clever: easy to solve
[20:36:55] clever: or not, alsa isnt enabled in mythtv:P
[20:37:26] sphery: esperegu: would probably work if you have MythTV Perl bindings installed.
[20:37:45] sphery: esperegu: Why 0.20.2? Are you using packages (if so, what distro)?
[20:38:40] esperegu: sphery: yes. http://www.linuxmce.org
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[20:39:38] sphery: esperegu: oh, that explains the 0.20.2. I was going to suggest you use 0.21-fixes, instead (as it has a /lot/ of fixes since 0.20.2), but I don't think you have a lot of choices with LMCE.
[20:39:43] dl: Can anyone recommend a tuner card that will be compatible with the new standards in the US in a couple months?
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[20:40:28] sphery: dl: are you using an antenna to receive over-the-air broadcasts?
[20:41:42] dl: sphery: I've got cable, and I can use my cable box, but I'd reaaalllly rather not deal with setting up an IR xmitter :)
[20:42:02] dl: Is there a card that can be hooked directly up to the line?
[20:43:09] sphery: Well, there's no mandate that the cable companies change the way they're broadcasting TV. The only restriction on cable companies is if they provide /any/ channel in analog, they /must/ provide the local ("must-carry") channels in analog, meaning that your analog capture card will continue to work unless they convert completely to digital.
[20:44:47] sphery: If they go digital, you can get some (/only/ the unencrypted) channels using (in theory) any ATSC capture card that supports QAM and is supported in Linux ( http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices ), though it may be easier to start with a card that's known to be working well in Myth ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC are just a few ).
[20:45:25] dl: That's a bit of a relief — I'll check to see if charter is going to switch completely. Thanks for the info :)
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[20:45:59] sphery: dl: what you can get directly from the cable line is completely up to your cable provider, though--they can choose to encrypt everything except the must-carry channels (generally the local channels you'd be able to get with an antenna for free).
[20:46:16] sphery: for digital, that is
[20:48:09] sphery: dl: btw, you should check with your local cable office as the large cable co's are rolling out digital at different times in different areas
[20:48:16] andreax: Is there a description of the database layout on the wiki anywhere ?
[20:48:20] dl: hrm, so it looks like I may be stuck with an IR transmitter anyway — I'm not looking forward to hardrecording charter's info dialogs, but I guess there's not much choice :(
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[20:49:14] sphery: when I used to record DISH, I was able to send a cancel right after channel change to get rid of the STB's OSD so I didn't record it.
[20:49:26] sphery: andreax: not really... What do you need?
[20:49:52] dl: sphery: Thats a good idea, I'll have to remember that.
[20:50:51] andreax: The layout of mythconverg.recordedrating. Backend yells it wont exist...
[20:51:28] sphery: One of these days, I'm going to have to watch something on Hulu to see why it's getting so much attention... I'm guessing the quality is not very high on it.
[20:51:44] sphery: andreax: what version of Myth? Are you using extremely recent trunk?
[20:51:51] andreax: yeah...
[20:51:54] sphery: (we just did some fixes in recorderating)
[20:52:03] andreax: 1226 i think...
[20:52:18] sphery: can you post the errors you're getting on DB upgrade (i.e. pastebin the logs)
[20:52:52] esperegu: sphery: get this error: http://esperegu.pastebin.com/d7fb9ded5
[20:53:28] dustybin: anybody have some help or advice regarding 'mythtv addiction' ?
[20:54:24] sphery: esperegu: Oh, sorry. 0./20/.2... That's old. There may be a version of find_orphans for it. Or there may be a command-line argument to the one to disable storagegroups stuff...
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[20:56:09] sphery: esperegu: I can't even guarantee that mythfrontend will work for deleting those files in that version (since it's so old). You may have to touch every file that should be in your recordings directory.
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[20:56:39] andreax: spehry: http://de.pastebin.ca/1275287 Is it enough ?
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[20:58:28] sphery: esperegu: OK, 0.20+ should be able to delete the metadata from the frontend even if the file is nonexistent. Read this post and the linked posts in it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/220525#220525
[20:59:40] sphery: andreax: yeah, that's enough. I just wanted to verify that your DB was corrupt and that it's not an issue with the patch I wrote that messes with those tables.
[21:00:17] andreax: I think the "upgrader" is right, i cant find any recordedrating. I remember i run into same trouble in the past....
[21:03:23] sphery: andreax: http://pastebin.ca/1275292
[21:03:35] andreax: Hey, thankyou!
[21:03:54] sphery: andreax: My recommendation, though--since your DB is corrupt--is to do the above, then run mythtv-setup (to finish the upgrade), then shut down mythtv-setup and do a "spring cleaing"
[21:05:01] sphery: andreax: the "spring cleaning" is doing a backup, then dropping the database, then running database/mc.sql in mysql, then starting mythtv-setup (to create a brand new empty DB), then doing a partial restore, then reconfiguring Myth.
[21:05:18] sphery: andreax: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore makes it easier
[21:07:02] sphery: andreax: read sections 1 and 2 (through the end of Quick Start), then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . cent_backups , then drop your DB, then run mysql -uroot -p < database/mc.sql , then run mythtv-setup and exit (without configuring), then ...
[21:07:07] sphery: ... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . _plugin_data , then go back to mythtv-setup, configure, then start mythbackend, then mythfrontend, and configure mythfrontend
[21:07:20] iamlindoro_: ah, the links, they burn
[21:07:21] sphery: Then you'll have a valid proper DB (without any corruption)
[21:07:39] sphery: sorry, iamlindoro_ ...
[21:07:46] iamlindoro_: sphery: ;)
[21:07:53] sphery: Too bad I don't yet have an easier way to do the spring cleaning...
[21:07:57] laga: iamlindoro_: lol
[21:08:00] andreax: Seems, i should do this... But anyway, now the backend works again... For some time... :) Maybe just for the soccergame, but this is enough for now... :=) I will do this some moments later... Thankyou again for burning! :)
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[21:08:22] sphery: (can't really think of one, though, because of the requirement to use mythtv-setup to create the blank DB)
[21:08:28] sphery: andreax: lol, you're welcome
[21:08:30] sphery: good luck
[21:08:38] esperegu: sphery: those solutions seem to delete the recordings in the frontend. but they don't appear there.
[21:09:15] sphery: esperegu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F ?
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[21:15:37] shadash: here's a fun way to lock your terminal I just discovered "updatedb | less"
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[21:18:25] sphery: shadash: if it just output a bunch of junk that made your terminal display garbage, you can usually type (though you might not see it echo'ed) "<Enter>reset<Enter>" or if that fails to work "<Enter><Ctrl>-O<Enter>" (where that's an oh, not a zero)
[21:19:42] shadash: it let me out when i hit enter then :q
[21:21:08] esperegu: sphery: thx! that worked.
[21:23:04] sphery: esperegu: great
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[21:23:20] esperegu: sphery: thank you very very very much!
[21:23:32] sphery: you're welcome. glad it's working, now
[21:26:58] directhex: ohohohohohohohoho!
[21:27:17] directhex: who remembers the talk about how with vdpau, you could get away with ANY cpu as an hd frontend?
[21:27:24] laga: i do
[21:27:42] iamlindoro_: Oooh, ooh, pick me
[21:28:00] directhex: the asus eeebox desktop is gaining a radeon 3400, alongside its dirt cheap price and 1.6ghz atom
[21:28:10] directhex: oh, and hdmi
[21:28:16] laga: radeon. vdpau.
[21:28:19] iamlindoro_: now if only they did VDPAU for ATI cards :)
[21:28:25] directhex: well, yes, but you get the point
[21:28:37] directhex: whenever xvba gets up to scratch, the box already exists
[21:29:17] iamlindoro_: Who wants to see an ugly HD output device?? Look no further than the new Sage Extender...
[21:29:46] iamlindoro_: http://www.sagetv.com/hd_theater.html
[21:30:39] directhex: http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13626
[21:30:50] iamlindoro_: Wait, which one's a radeon 3400? Unless it's better than a 4xxx series it won't do XvBA AFAIK
[21:31:02] iamlindoro_: well, better than or equal to that is
[21:31:16] sphery: I wasted my time responding to "Set up a Holiday Special Recording Schedule??" (which now has a new reply that's significantly shorter than mine (meaning more likely to be read)--with wrong info, but which, if the user is lucky, may work even without the correct description of how to make it work provided in my response)
[21:32:44] shadash: iamlindoro_: would either of those work as a frontend?
[21:34:07] XLV: iamlindoro, its a previous generation of 4xxx series, they do accelerate h264 in windows.. but ati still hasnt produced support in linux, and atom isnt fast enough ofcourse to do it in software
[21:35:34] XLV: shadash, it can work as frontend.. but until ati produces support for gpu hd content decoding, they dont offer more than previous eee box models
[21:35:52] shadash: interesting :-)
[21:37:27] iamlindoro_: XLV: UVD2 is enabled in linux for 4000 series cards. There's just no header to use it yet.
[21:38:21] iamlindoro_: But the support itself is there... from what I hear, you could technically get what you need from it using GDB. It's just that the nvidia support is much uch easier to implement ATM.
[21:38:50] XLV: iamlindoro, header meaning some api and a compatible player?
[21:39:18] iamlindoro_: header meaning a header file which allows easy implementation in a player.
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[21:39:49] iamlindoro_: a la vdpau.h in the nvidia 180.xx drivers
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[21:41:51] XLV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder ati 3000 series uvd+
[21:42:29] iamlindoro_: XLV: Too bad, like I just said, you need UVD2
[21:42:44] iamlindoro_: eg, 4000+
[21:44:05] XLV: yeah, theres a similar low power/low cost version of 4000 series, 4300 series, but asus didnt favor it
[21:44:37] ** iamlindoro_ is a VDPAU man... this week **
[21:45:08] shadash: what about running the windows myth frontend on one of those systems?
[21:45:40] XLV: iamlindoro, i have a 8800gts 512 on the second desktop here ( and a 8600gt on the laptop ) but i havent tried it yet ( even in windows, both desktop and laptop have enough cpu for h264 decoding
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[21:47:14] iamlindoro_: The windows frontend can't do purevideo or UVD
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[21:47:38] iamlindoro_: Although I'm sure patches would be welcomed
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[21:48:40] Chutt: if anyone else can confirm my mpeg2 vdpau fix, i'd appreciate it
[21:48:45] iamlindoro_: 8600 gt should do VDPAU fine, 8800 GTS may not
[21:49:30] Chutt: the gts 512 will
[21:49:42] Chutt: that's the new version
[21:49:54] iamlindoro_: ok
[21:50:58] iamlindoro_: Chutt: Have it compiled but I'll be an hour to confirm
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[21:54:47] XLV: yeah, gts 320/640, gtx, ultra is g80 ( and 9600gso ), gts 512 is g92
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[22:03:47] sphery: Either I lost the bug again, or we've fixed the bug (and I kind of think we did), but I can explain that guy's mfdb issues with non-buggy code, so I guess it doesn't matter. Turns out it wasn't so bad debugging the issue as I though.
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[22:21:48] LanUser: myth.find_orphans.pl seems to think all my recordings and thumbnails are orphaned, luckily I didn't use --dodelete, any ideas why it would think this?
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[22:58:18] directhex: iamlindoro_, exodus!
[22:58:31] iamlindoro_: Acts of the Apostles!
[22:58:33] iamlindoro_: what?
[22:59:01] directhex: iamlindoro_, dead space!
[22:59:13] directhex: iamlindoro_, is it me or is the last bos actually a pushover? :/
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[22:59:20] iamlindoro_: yes
[22:59:42] iamlindoro_: Pretty much a series of those tentacles, and keep moving, the end
[22:59:52] iamlindoro_: even on hard
[23:00:12] iamlindoro_: (That's right, a series of tubes/tentacles)
[23:01:30] iamlindoro_: Home!
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[23:14:46] dustybin: when i try and grab a video sleeve with mythvideo / mythweb on my friends setup using imdb script, apache reports no errors, only this
[23:14:49] dustybin: 78.xx.xx.176 – admin [03/Dec/2008:23:13:22 +0000] "GET /video/imdb?action=lookup&id=216&title=ashes%20to%20ashes%20s01e02 HTTP/1.1" 200 258 "http://xxxxxxxek.org/video" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092414 Firefox/3.0.3"
[23:15:18] dustybin: i installed the perl modules
[23:17:36] dustybin: ./imdb.pl -D 0910970 <-- that works from the command line
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[23:21:20] skd5aner: Hello
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[23:23:31] skd5aner: I'm having an issue trying to compile an older version of trunk on ubuntu and was curious if someone could try and tell me why
[23:24:31] iamlindoro__: not without a beeter description of what's going on, but almost invariably, "you're missing a prerequisite"
[23:24:41] skd5aner: np, getting there... :)
[23:25:06] skd5aner: I'm trying to compile mythplugins -r 16586
[23:25:16] skd5aner: on current ubuntu, 8.10
[23:25:43] iamlindoro__: OK, and presumably you have already compiled and installed mythtv of the same revision?
[23:25:56] iamlindoro__: (as plugins compile will fail without it)
[23:25:57] skd5aner: I've been able to solve some issues that I saw were fixed by doing an svn update on a few particular files, but I'm getting hung up on aacdecorder within mymusic
[23:26:13] skd5aner: yes, I was able to compile mythtv at that revision with no issues whatsoever
[23:26:19] skd5aner: both on frontend and backend
[23:26:35] iamlindoro__: ok, and have you do apt-get build-dep mythplugins?
[23:26:40] iamlindoro__: er done a
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[23:27:10] iamlindoro__: You should *not* be svn uping single files, btw
[23:27:14] skd5aner: sorta, I did it manually
[23:27:23] iamlindoro__: Well don't do it manually
[23:27:50] skd5aner: I only want to install the files I need, but that's not the issue, I believe... I'm not missing any packages
[23:27:52] skd5aner: http://pastebin.com/m2cad2759
[23:27:58] skd5aner: that's what the compiler is throwing at me
[23:28:14] iamlindoro__: You have headers and cpp files which are mismatched
[23:28:18] iamlindoro__: you've broken the source
[23:28:42] iamlindoro__: Erase what you've got, check out *one* set of source, do apt-get build-dep mythplugins, and compile. Simple as that.
[23:29:05] skd5aner: ok, just so you know, it's not a dependency issue
[23:29:32] skd5aner: I have an issue with the compiler at -r 16586, with mythplugins...
[23:29:33] iamlindoro__: Just so you know, your assurance of that doesn't convince me of anything
[23:29:44] skd5aner: ok, calm down... :)
[23:29:47] iamlindoro__: especially given the totally broken way you're trying to get/build the source
[23:30:01] skd5aner: I understand that too, no reason to get fiesty
[23:30:25] skd5aner: let me wipe away the source, redownload that revision, and tell you what it's saying exactly with no modifications, ok?
[23:30:36] RyeBrye: no. not ok
[23:30:38] skd5aner: just asking for help, that's all, so let me backtrack
[23:30:40] RyeBrye: ;)
[23:30:56] skd5aner: :)
[23:30:58] RyeBrye: !trout sdk4aner not ok
[23:30:58] ** MythLogBot slaps sdk4aner with a not ok trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **
[23:31:08] skd5aner: haha
[23:31:12] skd5aner: brb
[23:31:32] skd5aner: also, sorry for my newb ways here, but I don't like the big hammer that is "build-dep"
[23:32:08] skd5aner: I like to know exactly what packages are required, so I can document them and have an install that's lean and doesn't have cruft that's not needed
[23:34:41] skd5aner: OK – got a fresh checkout of -r 16586
[23:34:44] skd5aner: running it with: ./configure --disable-mythbrowser --disable-mythphone --disable-mythzoneminder --disable-mythgame --enable-aac
[23:37:23] skd5aner: ok, here's my first error: http://pastebin.com/m5343c45
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[23:38:29] skd5aner: it's with metaiomp4.cpp, and I WAS able to fix this by updating it with the patch that was applied to this file in 17514
[23:39:10] skd5aner: I haven't done anything yet this time though, waiting for your feedback first
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[23:42:33] skd5aner: once I patched that file, doing an svn update to aacdecoder, which to your point is probably not the right way of doing it, did not result in something that would compile that file
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[23:42:39] skd5aner: thoughts?
[23:43:39] iamlindoro__: You still have missing or mismatched headers.
[23:43:56] iamlindoro__: which is either broken source or missing deps
[23:43:59] skd5aner: OK, this is from a fresh checkout at that revision
[23:45:57] skd5aner: I rm'd the directory and made sure we were working with a fresh slate...
[23:46:26] iamlindoro__: I also seem to recall that Ubuntu had a broken libmp4ff package that is patched for by them, but you'd need to look at ubuntu package patches for that
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[23:46:52] skd5aner: k
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[23:48:08] dustybin: after all that effort, the imdb script wouldnt work until you re-saved the imbd settings in mythweb
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[23:49:35] skd5aner: so, I am curious though... the changes that were put into place for the following changesets wouldn't "fix" this issues seen on both aacdecoder and metaiomp4? 16728, 17514, 17891
[23:50:23] skd5aner: Also, I do have libmp4v2-dev and libmp4v2–0 installed
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[23:51:18] iamlindoro__: skd5aner, If you want to use the source from that revision, the entire thing needs to match it, otherwise you're going to be chasing function changes from file to file across the source.
[23:51:58] iamlindoro__: And once you've updated a single file to a given revision, you'll never see the end of it, you'll be skipping from file to file trying to find sets that work-- it's certainly not an arrangement that I would volunteer to troubleshoot for
[23:52:02] skd5aner: Yea, generally I try to stay up to date with trunk, usually about a month or two out, but I wanted to let the QT4 and mythui stuff settle down a little more before I make the leap
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[23:52:37] skd5aner: I can definitely understand that... I was hoping it wouldn't necessarily be me updating, but simply patching in order to get it to compile
[23:53:31] skd5aner: I was looking in the revision logs for those files, it and seemed to me that all the changes were mainly due to fix compilation issues
[23:53:43] skd5aner: that's why I thought it would have been safe
[23:55:41] toad_: any recommendations for stable USB DVB-T sticks?
[23:55:47] skd5aner: I'll try and figure something else out, compare what's been going into .21-fixes
[23:55:57] toad_: stable and well supported, that is ... is it a contradiction in terms?
[23:56:00] skd5aner: maybe do some manual patching
[23:56:16] iamlindoro__: skd5aner, at the very least if you update that file you'll need to update the associated headers-- I still wouldn't expect it to work, but you'll be closer than you would be otherwise
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[23:56:33] sphery: skd5aner: why not just run current -fixes?
[23:56:44] iamlindoro__: so any includes in that file will need to be updated to the same revision you update that file to
[23:56:44] skd5aner: thanks lindoro (Robert right?), appreciate the help/feedback
[23:57:21] skd5aner: sphery – because as much as I wish I was a programer, I'm not... but I do follow every commit that goes into SVN, and so I usually am a fairly good judge of when it's safe to update and not...
[23:57:36] iamlindoro__: skd5aner, Yep. I would *guess* that this has something to do with that ubuntu libmp4ff thing, but I honestly can't remember what state things were in around 16xxx
[23:58:04] skd5aner: I'm a big DIY guy, and I like to stay up to date, I like to follow the changes, and I hate waiting for the huge release cylces myth has
[23:58:19] skd5aner: I'm not saying I don't understand those, just that I'm a little impatient that's all...
[23:58:39] skd5aner: and this is a case of where the OS, and therefore the packaged compiler, has outgrown the revision of myth I currently run :)
[23:59:19] skd5aner: iamlindoro, I hear ya... I've slept a LOT since then
[23:59:41] skd5aner: I'll see if I can find out some more on the libm4ff ubuntu situation and go from there

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