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| [00:00:05] | Led-Hed: | so what would be required for a TV to be capable of 60 FPS. |
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| [00:00:56] | iamlindoro__: | a TV with 120 Hz refresh |
| [00:01:12] | iamlindoro__: | They exist, they're quite nice apparently (don't have one myself) |
| [00:01:13] | Led-Hed: | none of my tv's are capable of 120hz |
| [00:01:41] | Led-Hed: | but the TV/FE in my bedroom is reporting 60 fps |
| [00:02:00] | iamlindoro__: | Then you're feeding it 30 Fps video |
| [00:02:14] | iamlindoro__: | with a refresh rate of 60 Hz |
| [00:02:23] | Led-Hed: | progressive @ 60hz |
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| [00:02:49] | iamlindoro__: | What, the video? |
| [00:02:58] | Led-Hed: | ya |
| [00:03:01] | iamlindoro__: | If it's progressive, then you're not using a deinterlacer at all... |
| [00:03:23] | Led-Hed: | ok, the recording is comming from a Firewire STB |
| [00:03:47] | Led-Hed: | so I guess the content could be 720p |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro__: | Could be. But like I said, if it's progressive, you're not using a deinterlacer. |
| [00:04:31] | Led-Hed: | agreed, how can I tell if the deinterlacer is active? |
| [00:04:39] | iamlindoro__: | Myth puts all that in the logs |
| [00:04:45] | Led-Hed: | 2008-11–30 16:04:24.079 NVP: 311600 progressive frames seen |
| [00:05:16] | iamlindoro__: | When it starts playback it decides which playback profile to use, and says so in plain english if it doesn't need a deinterlacer |
| [00:06:44] | Led-Hed: | ok, I'm confused, why would progressive video playback at 60 FPS? I thought it was 60 because of Bob 2x, but if its progressive then its not using Bob, which means it should be 30 fps right? |
| [00:07:11] | wagnerrp: | if its progressive 60, then its progressive 60 |
| [00:07:16] | wagnerrp: | its already at 60 fps |
| [00:07:28] | Led-Hed: | from the STB |
| [00:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | ^^^ yup |
| [00:07:34] | wagnerrp: | broadcast tv is 60fps |
| [00:07:46] | Led-Hed: | fields or frames? |
| [00:07:48] | wagnerrp: | 480p60, 720p60, or 1080i30 |
| [00:07:50] | iamlindoro__: | where f can = frames or fields |
| [00:07:58] | wagnerrp: | err... 1080i60 |
| [00:08:03] | iamlindoro__: | 720p 60 frames, 1080i 60 fields |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro__: | (which is 1080i 30 frames) |
| [00:08:19] | jduggan: | still no child #2 |
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| [00:08:21] | Led-Hed: | ok. |
| [00:08:23] | jduggan: | oops |
| [00:08:23] | iamlindoro__: | This is why sports channels use 720p 60 |
| [00:08:28] | Led-Hed: | thanks for clearing that up |
| [00:08:56] | iamlindoro__: | 720p60 is good for motion, 1080i30 is good for drama |
| [00:08:58] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, oddly my FE thats reporting 30 FPS is interlaced |
| [00:09:14] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, why is that odd? |
| [00:09:17] | wagnerrp: | thats 30 full frames per second |
| [00:09:24] | wagnerrp: | interlaces to 60 fields per second |
| [00:09:27] | Led-Hed: | you said that 720p is better for sports |
| [00:09:33] | iamlindoro__: | It is. So? |
| [00:09:40] | Led-Hed: | never mind |
| [00:10:05] | ** Led-Hed thought he understood, but obviously doesnt ** | |
| [00:11:32] | wagnerrp: | 720p60 and 1080i60 are about the same pixelrate |
| [00:11:41] | wagnerrp: | so they usually end up to roughly the same size |
| [00:12:02] | wagnerrp: | theres really not enough bitrate to pump 1080p60 over ATSC |
| [00:12:09] | wagnerrp: | not if you want it to look decent anyway |
| [00:12:12] | iamlindoro__: | at least, not without it looking like poop |
| [00:12:34] | wagnerrp: | so you have the option of getting progressive video (better motion quality), or better resolution |
| [00:12:59] | iamlindoro__: | If we even DO manage to switch to ATSC 2.0 then 19 Mbit wouldn't be too chabby for 1080p |
| [00:13:02] | iamlindoro__: | er shabby |
| [00:13:05] | Led-Hed: | I always thought that Progressive ment full frame (both fields) at 30 per sec, and Interlaced was 60 Fields per Sec so twice as many refreshes, but with only half the content |
| [00:13:15] | iamlindoro__: | s/even do/ever do/ |
| [00:13:19] | wagnerrp: | its full frame, but it has no bearing on framerate |
| [00:13:46] | wagnerrp: | all broadcasts are 60 fields per second |
| [00:14:00] | wagnerrp: | well... 60000/1001, or something like that |
| [00:15:21] | ** Led-Hed is going nutz. my frontends havent gone this long without a hang in months. ** | |
| [00:15:44] | Led-Hed: | figures, as soon as I start to keep an eye on them they start behaving |
| [00:15:44] | wagnerrp: | 'oh woe is me, i have stable systems' |
| [00:16:03] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, lol, if it would stay this way I would be happy, but it wont |
| [00:16:24] | wagnerrp: | i find my systems are stable so long as i dont touch them |
| [00:16:28] | Led-Hed: | It just sux that when you are trying to catch it, it doesnt happen |
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| [00:16:46] | wagnerrp: | when i stop tinkering, everything is hunky dory |
| [00:16:54] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, I'm just the opposite, Once my systems are stable I dont touch them |
| [00:18:27] | Led-Hed: | my FE's were stable up until I decided to go HD, that required new hardware, more storage in the backend, yadda yadda. Now it gives the appearence of stability, and just when you arent expecting it, it hangs. |
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| [00:19:09] | Led-Hed: | brb |
| [00:23:36] | Led-Hed: | ok, so if watching LiveTV @1080i and I have bob 2x enabled, should the logs report 30 fps or 60 fps |
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| [00:25:30] | wagnerrp: | im guessing that would be frames, so 60fps |
| [00:25:47] | wagnerrp: | assuming your tv can handle 1080p60 |
| [00:26:26] | Led-Hed: | they cant. they are 1366c768 (1280x720) |
| [00:26:56] | wagnerrp: | well then its downscaling, and outputting 720p60 |
| [00:27:13] | Led-Hed: | so because they arent capable of 1080p60 what would happen, bob would not be implemented |
| [00:28:01] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [00:28:06] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, my logs are reporting 30 fps |
| [00:28:22] | Led-Hed: | is that an indication that bob isnt being used? |
| [00:30:01] | iamlindoro__: | You are likely just reading the input frame value |
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| [00:30:42] | Led-Hed: | it says 'video_output' in the log |
| [00:31:33] | iamlindoro__: | doesn't mean it's the display framerame |
| [00:31:42] | Led-Hed: | ok |
| [00:31:54] | Led-Hed: | like I said, I'm bad at reading the logs |
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| [00:58:29] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: kinda, problem was I made a "utility" activity |
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| [01:05:26] | porcodildo: | I wonder why mythtv can't set the alarm time |
| [01:05:45] | wagnerrp: | do you have your computer set up to set the hardware time on shutdown? |
| [01:05:52] | porcodildo: | I have set the command in mythtv-setup |
| [01:06:07] | porcodildo: | wagnerrp, no |
| [01:06:19] | porcodildo: | I thought that mythtv did it automatically :D |
| [01:06:25] | iamlindoro__: | I wonder why MythTV can't get me a piece of pie |
| [01:06:33] | porcodildo: | lol |
| [01:06:50] | porcodildo: | I thought that mythtv can set the alarm when scheduling |
| [01:07:08] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [01:07:10] | porcodildo: | so do I have to set it manually when shutting down? |
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| [01:07:38] | kormoc: | porcodildo, no... wagnerrp asked if your distro is set to sync the software clock to the hardware clock on shutdown. |
| [01:07:49] | porcodildo: | ah |
| [01:07:59] | porcodildo: | I have removed that piece of code |
| [01:08:03] | fuxxy: | I just found out that Xbox 360 can view "Instant download" movies from netflix (if you have the right netflix account).. Has anyone came up with a way for mythtv to do tht? |
| [01:08:08] | wagnerrp: | if you sync the hardware clock, it deletes the boot timer |
| [01:08:08] | porcodildo: | btw, that's not the problem |
| [01:08:10] | ** iamlindoro__ blinks, astounded ** | |
| [01:08:11] | kormoc: | fuxxy, no |
| [01:08:24] | porcodildo: | /proc/acpi/alarm is not written |
| [01:08:42] | kormoc: | porcodildo, so perhaps your acpi implementation isn't supported? |
| [01:08:43] | porcodildo: | I have to write the alarm date to /proc/acpi/alarm |
| [01:08:46] | porcodildo: | no |
| [01:08:54] | porcodildo: | kormoc, I can wakeup the machine manually |
| [01:09:05] | kormoc: | as root? |
| [01:09:08] | BigJibby: | can mythtv connect to a DAAP share? |
| [01:09:10] | porcodildo: | writing to acpi/alarm and shutting down (or S3 standby) |
| [01:09:18] | iamlindoro__: | BigJibby, no |
| [01:09:33] | porcodildo: | kormoc, yes as root |
| [01:09:36] | BigJibby: | :( |
| [01:09:45] | kormoc: | porcodildo, and as the mythtv user? |
| [01:10:01] | iamlindoro__: | I'm sure patches would be appreciated |
| [01:10:10] | porcodildo: | uhm don't know |
| [01:10:14] | porcodildo: | I'll check |
| [01:11:01] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: any idea if you can change icons so I can get a nice mythtv icon on here? |
| [01:11:13] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:11:55] | wagnerrp: | i remember looking into something about that a year ago |
| [01:12:11] | rhpot1991: | you can rename, but I only see channel icons |
| [01:12:16] | wagnerrp: | supposedly you can load themes, but i never figured out how to make one |
| [01:12:28] | wagnerrp: | you can create channel icons, but thats not what youre looking for |
| [01:12:33] | rhpot1991: | ya |
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| [01:17:16] | Led-Hed: | YAY it finally hung |
| [01:23:30] | riddlebox: | hrmm upgrading my system with a freshinstall of ubuntu and adding a lvm and I forgot my mythbox was also doing my dhcp |
| [01:24:41] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, you have some time to look over my logs? |
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| [01:33:25] | a1fa: | 2 |
| [01:37:11] | fuxxy: | riddlebox, so? |
| [01:37:35] | fuxxy: | riddlebox, easy fix, just use static until you get DHCPd running again. |
| [01:38:07] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt take more than a couple minutes to get dhcpd running |
| [01:38:20] | riddlebox: | fuxxy, I know no big deal I just forgot it |
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| [01:51:30] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, wagnerrp, if you have time here are my FE logs (showing a video hang). http://pastebin.ledhed.net/1656 |
| [01:54:58] | wagnerrp: | the way it surges like that, its almost as if you have something else running in the background |
| [01:55:12] | wagnerrp: | is this livetv, or watching a recording as it is recorded? |
| [01:55:57] | wagnerrp: | when im running a recording, the commflag used to use too much processor |
| [01:56:05] | wagnerrp: | and cause the video to surge every few seconds |
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| [01:59:01] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, that was watching a recording |
| [01:59:12] | Led-Hed: | but the same happens on LiveTV |
| [02:00:30] | Led-Hed: | I also posted the logs from a 2nd frontend, the logs from the backend, and messages from the backend. |
| [02:01:11] | Led-Hed: | commercial flagging doesn't happen till 2:00am. |
| [02:02:05] | Led-Hed: | The load on the BE spikes when the FE's hang. Not sure if the increased load is caused by the FE hang, or if the high load causes the FE to hang |
| [02:03:50] | wagnerrp: | how much memory in the systems? possibility of running out? |
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| [02:04:42] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise large amount of fragmentation on the disk, causing it to repeatedly reseek? |
| [02:04:49] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, FE = 1G BE = 2G |
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| [02:05:38] | psm321: | Led-Hed: sorry i havent been keeping up, but did you check dmesg to make sure its not the drive issue? |
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| [02:06:32] | Led-Hed: | psm321, I posted messages fromthe backend also |
| [02:06:51] | Led-Hed: | psm321, http://pastebin.ledhed.net/1658 |
| [02:07:29] | Led-Hed: | the hang happend Nov 30, around 17:16 |
| [02:07:46] | Led-Hed: | this shows up in the log, ata2: hard resetting link |
| [02:08:10] | Led-Hed: | moving to my laptop, Be back in a sec |
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| [02:09:15] | iamlindoro__: | That's bad news for his disks |
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| [02:09:36] | wagnerrp: | is say its more likely bad news for his controller |
| [02:09:37] | Led-Hed: | back |
| [02:09:41] | wagnerrp: | since several disks are doing it |
| [02:09:55] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, You said you added new disks and such when you upgraded, right? |
| [02:10:05] | iamlindoro__: | Does that include a new mobo or controller? |
| [02:10:13] | iamlindoro__: | And also, what brand and size of disks |
| [02:10:14] | Led-Hed: | right, but the hangs happened prior to the disk upgrades |
| [02:10:19] | iamlindoro__: | (and are they clicking) |
| [02:10:53] | iamlindoro__: | What I see implies poorly supported SATA port multiplier, failing controller, or a couple of disks going bad |
| [02:11:05] | Led-Hed: | Old BE was 7x 160G on a 3ware 9500, new BE is 4x 1.5TB (SoftRaid) |
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| [02:11:49] | kormoc: | port resets also happen if the drive gets a power hickup |
| [02:11:53] | kormoc: | how's the power supply? |
| [02:12:00] | Led-Hed: | 550w |
| [02:12:15] | kormoc: | might be worth upgrading |
| [02:12:20] | Led-Hed: | really? |
| [02:12:29] | kormoc: | well, what brand? |
| [02:12:34] | Led-Hed: | my old BE ran 8 total drives and it was only 430w |
| [02:12:34] | iamlindoro__: | Those 1.5 TBs, if they're seagate, have known major problems |
| [02:12:41] | Led-Hed: | Antec True Power |
| [02:12:43] | wagnerrp: | that depends entirely on the rail setup |
| [02:12:51] | wagnerrp: | first gen true power? |
| [02:13:05] | Led-Hed: | no |
| [02:13:18] | Led-Hed: | well I dont think so. I can check. |
| [02:13:51] | iamlindoro__: | My money, given my recent experience with Seagate, is on the drives (but maybe they just burned me too bad ;) ) |
| [02:14:17] | psm321: | just for reference, these are the messages i get on my seagate 1.5 when it hangs (looks different from Led-Hed's messages) http://pastebin.com/m7ff2b441 |
| [02:14:23] | psm321: | i'll be back in a bit |
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| [02:14:57] | Led-Hed: | TruePower 2.0 |
| [02:15:26] | wagnerrp: | ok, i had an old TP1 550W |
| [02:15:37] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, might be worth doing smartctl -a on all and see if they have any pre-fail or fail statuses |
| [02:15:44] | iamlindoro__: | on all drives, that is |
| [02:15:50] | Led-Hed: | ok. |
| [02:15:51] | iamlindoro__: | eg "smartctl -a /dev/sda" etc. |
| [02:15:52] | wagnerrp: | and with 12 disks, 2 sticks of memory, and a dual core chip, i was maxing out the 12v rail |
| [02:16:13] | wagnerrp: | gobs of power left over on the 3.3v and 5v rails |
| [02:16:27] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders about the moral issues of downloading a subtitle for a film he owns ** | |
| [02:17:18] | wagnerrp: | dont want to take the time to rip/ocr it? |
| [02:17:38] | iamlindoro__: | It would mean going to windows to do it, it's a subtitle on bluray |
| [02:17:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, do BR and HDDVD have text based? or video based subtitles? |
| [02:17:57] | iamlindoro__: | bitmap |
| [02:18:11] | wagnerrp: | ah, so similar to DVD |
| [02:18:14] | iamlindoro__: | so yeah, need to OCR |
| [02:18:16] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
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| [02:18:46] | wagnerrp: | takes my personal time spent on a rip from 10 minutes to 50 minutes |
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| [02:19:46] | a1fa: | argh |
| [02:20:02] | a1fa: | iamlindoro_: AM2 5200+ good nuff? |
| [02:20:15] | wagnerrp: | for what? |
| [02:20:19] | a1fa: | for just about anything |
| [02:20:19] | iamlindoro__: | for what? tiling the bathroom? |
| [02:20:28] | a1fa: | for HD :P |
| [02:20:35] | iamlindoro__: | what kind of HD? |
| [02:20:37] | wagnerrp: | for HW what? |
| [02:20:39] | kormoc: | for 5265p240 h268 |
| [02:20:44] | a1fa: | h268 |
| [02:20:56] | wagnerrp: | awesome! a future man in here! |
| [02:21:00] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, oh now he'll say h268 for the rest of his life, good job |
| [02:21:12] | a1fa: | nah |
| [02:21:16] | kormoc: | glad to have helped |
| [02:21:24] | iamlindoro__: | maybe it's x268 instead |
| [02:21:27] | a1fa: | hax the planet |
| [02:21:35] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [02:21:38] | wagnerrp: | requires a 2.0THz processor or better |
| [02:22:09] | a1fa: | anybody familiar what kind of compression are they running on UVERSE? |
| [02:22:17] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, a 5200 will be fine for lots of HD, but there are certainly scenarios where I could see it not being enough. a 5200+ and VDPAU will be fine once it's mature. |
| [02:22:28] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, besides "severe?" |
| [02:22:36] | a1fa: | severe? |
| [02:22:38] | iamlindoro__: | like, 6 Mbit HD channels. Worst Hd in the industry. yummy. |
| [02:22:48] | a1fa: | really? |
| [02:22:52] | iamlindoro__: | 6 Mbit h.264. Yes. |
| [02:23:08] | iamlindoro__: | And you can't get any digital copies so you'll get more loss in going digital->analog->digital, yay! |
| [02:23:19] | iamlindoro__: | no firewire/QAM on uverse |
| [02:23:24] | a1fa: | sucks |
| [02:23:28] | iamlindoro__: | so you'll be capturing analog outs |
| [02:23:47] | kormoc: | the worse the picture, the more you'll channel surf, the more you channel surf, the more ads you see, it's a win-win! |
| [02:23:52] | a1fa: | http://www.thetruthaboutuverse.com/is-u-verse-hdtv-really-hdtv/ |
| [02:24:06] | a1fa: | haha |
| [02:24:08] | a1fa: | good marketing |
| [02:24:16] | a1fa: | they dont have uverse where I am at |
| [02:24:16] | iamlindoro__: | sounds like a reputable domain to me |
| [02:24:34] | kormoc: | ooh, I like this |
| [02:24:38] | wagnerrp: | is that mpeg4 ASP or AVC? |
| [02:24:48] | kormoc: | "Full, high-end HD requires a serial bit rate of 1,485 Mb/s(1080i) to 2970 Mb/s(1080p)" |
| [02:24:54] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, AVC |
| [02:25:04] | wagnerrp: | so that bitrate is roughly to spec |
| [02:25:11] | wagnerrp: | maybe a little shy |
| [02:25:16] | kormoc: | I would love to see any broadcaster pushing that |
| [02:25:24] | wagnerrp: | well, if thats the average, thats about right |
| [02:25:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, broadcasters sending out 3 gb/s? where? |
| [02:25:52] | a1fa: | who do you get your HD through, kormoc, and iamlindoro_ |
| [02:25:59] | iamlindoro__: | Reminds me of the USB 3.0 blurb I saw the other day claiming to be pushing "uncompressed 1080p in 450 Mbit!" |
| [02:26:04] | wagnerrp: | 8.5mbps, half the bitrate of mpeg2 ATSC |
| [02:26:16] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, Comcast. |
| [02:26:26] | kormoc: | a1fa, who said I have hd? |
| [02:26:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro__: certainly! 1080p10 |
| [02:27:02] | a1fa: | kormoc: sorry. wrong to assume |
| [02:27:07] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [02:27:16] | a1fa: | Comcast + firewire? |
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| [02:27:34] | iamlindoro__: | yes, I use firewire. |
| [02:27:40] | a1fa: | :P |
| [02:27:49] | iamlindoro__: | and an HD-PVR and 3 x QAM tuners |
| [02:27:59] | a1fa: | how many channels do you get and what do you have to dish out a month? |
| [02:28:19] | Led-Hed: | here is the results from SMART |
| [02:28:20] | Led-Hed: | http://pastebin.ledhed.net/1661 |
| [02:28:28] | iamlindoro__: | I get about 300 channels, and I have a three-pack deal but pay about $50 for cable. |
| [02:28:32] | Led-Hed: | the other drives are listed below it |
| [02:28:46] | a1fa: | wow |
| [02:28:53] | a1fa: | thats cheaper than my analog cable |
| [02:28:54] | a1fa: | :P |
| [02:29:03] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, 50 is just for the cable line items |
| [02:29:10] | a1fa: | got ya |
| [02:29:20] | a1fa: | what do you use HD-PVR for? |
| [02:29:21] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, I only see one drive here |
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| [02:29:40] | Led-Hed: | http://pastebin.ledhed.net/1660 |
| [02:29:45] | Led-Hed: | http://pastebin.ledhed.net/1659 |
| [02:29:51] | a1fa: | i didnt know mythtv supported it |
| [02:30:06] | wagnerrp: | trunk does |
| [02:30:12] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, Backup in case firewire goes out, VOD. Will transition to it fully if firewire ever stops. And yes, Myth trunk has supported the HD-PVR for many months |
| [02:30:15] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro_, I did each one individually. |
| [02:30:24] | a1fa: | cool |
| [02:30:41] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: youre running those drives rather hot |
| [02:30:56] | a1fa: | what kind of QAM tuner |
| [02:30:57] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro_ – is the HD-PVR support wife friendly yet? |
| [02:31:03] | Led-Hed: | shouldnt be, they are cool to the touch |
| [02:31:06] | RyeBrye: | i.e. does it crash the backend still if resolution changes... etc? |
| [02:31:15] | wagnerrp: | youve had them up to 50C |
| [02:31:17] | Led-Hed: | have a 120mm fan blowing directly on them |
| [02:31:18] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, if your wife a programmer? |
| [02:31:36] | iamlindoro__: | RyeBrye, there are patches to make the backend fine with resolution changes, although live TV still does not like it |
| [02:31:52] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, remember it's seagate? They claim that smart's numbers aren't correct |
| [02:32:06] | iamlindoro__: | 723779622 C, toasty |
| [02:32:12] | wagnerrp: | if the numbers are wrong, why bother making them available? |
| [02:32:20] | a1fa: | 3 hd homeruns? |
| [02:32:50] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, No, various cards. HVR-1250, pcHDTV 5500, KWorld 115 |
| [02:33:01] | a1fa: | is hdhomerunw orth it? |
| [02:33:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ask Seagate, but in short, they claim on their website the only way to know if the drive has issues or not is their seatools, the '3ed party' smart tools are worthless, as they don't use standard attribute id to name mappings |
| [02:33:15] | iamlindoro__: | Everyone with one seems rather fond of it, I'd assume it's a nice choice |
| [02:34:20] | a1fa: | i have the pvr-500 |
| [02:34:23] | a1fa: | its decent |
| [02:34:23] | iamlindoro__: | oh, and only come on a bootable CD |
| [02:34:33] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [02:34:35] | a1fa: | lately i've been running out of available tuners ;( |
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| [02:35:51] | wagnerrp: | i picked one up over the weekend for $120 i think |
| [02:35:53] | a1fa: | how many channels are you able to get through pcHDTV 5500? |
| [02:35:55] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, are you using mythweb-trunk by chance? |
| [02:36:02] | a1fa: | through comcast.. how many channels are unencrypted? |
| [02:36:05] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, yeah |
| [02:36:06] | wagnerrp: | only marginally more (per tuner) than my 1250 |
| [02:36:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, have a minute to do a quick speed test? |
| [02:36:22] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, sure |
| [02:36:31] | iamlindoro__: | (although I'm gonna be one quick minute, on the phone) |
| [02:36:43] | Led-Hed: | ok, so do the SMART results show that its a disk problem? |
| [02:37:08] | wagnerrp: | no, unless they really are bogus... and then they show nothing |
| [02:37:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, https://www.kormoc.com/MythBackendObject.patch |
| [02:37:44] | kormoc: | it's not fully complete, but I'm seeing a fairly nice speedup (.5 to 1 sec or so), and was wondering if it was just my machine |
| [02:37:58] | a1fa: | iamlindoro_: how many channels can you pickup on your pchdtv card vs. comcast reciever? |
| [02:38:41] | Led-Hed: | so, if its not drive related, what should I look for next? |
| [02:38:57] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, no problem, any particular tasks you'd like me to compare? |
| [02:39:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, main page, upcoming recordings, scheduled recordings, just viewing those pages should give a good indication |
| [02:40:18] | a1fa: | woot.. the unit comes on in 30minutes |
| [02:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | ok, let me get approx times before I apply |
| [02:40:41] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, I get about 50 channels on QAM, and all of my channels vie firewire |
| [02:41:51] | a1fa: | so.. ~50 more via firewire |
| [02:43:30] | wagnerrp: | so 250 more via firewire |
| [02:43:35] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, no, 250 |
| [02:43:38] | iamlindoro__: | exactly |
| [02:43:57] | a1fa: | ;P |
| [02:44:02] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I'm getting a User notice "Failed to set php timezone to Array" and a few warnings |
| [02:44:07] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [02:44:14] | kormoc: | to array eh? |
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| [02:44:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: what distro? |
| [02:44:50] | a1fa: | does anybody use hulu in conjuction with mythtv? |
| [02:45:00] | iamlindoro__: | Ubuntu on the backend |
| [02:45:12] | EnderTheThird: | alfa: AFAIK, there is no plugin for Hulu with MythTV |
| [02:45:21] | a1fa: | thats too bad.. they do RSS |
| [02:45:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: and do you have a valid /etc/timezone (should contain only a valid time zone ID, such as "America/New_York" or whatever--no quotes) |
| [02:45:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt do flash |
| [02:45:50] | a1fa: | firefox does |
| [02:46:05] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, America/Los_Angeles |
| [02:46:19] | wagnerrp: | so you would effectively be playing video through mythweb |
| [02:46:22] | wagnerrp: | thats not very appealing |
| [02:46:37] | a1fa: | hm |
| [02:46:57] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: what do you get when you run (as a user with a valid ~/.mythtv/config.xml): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . time_zone.pl |
| [02:47:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, updated patch, if you want to give that a go |
| [02:47:04] | wagnerrp: | no, if someone could work out the obfuscated download paths, then you could probably adapt the youtube plugin fairly easiler |
| [02:47:06] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, nah, I screwed up :P |
| [02:47:12] | _Der_Thomas: | hey, anyone around here know of a good website for helping troubleshoot interference on s-video? |
| [02:47:19] | wagnerrp: | s/easiler/easily/ |
| [02:47:26] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, thanks. I just figured it was my TZ stuff... |
| [02:47:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: nvm |
| [02:47:37] | _Der_Thomas: | I've always had there light lines, maybe 30deg or so running through my picture from myth |
| [02:47:39] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, okay, no worries-- dunno if the three warnings are of use to you, TBH I updated to latest mythweb right now, had been a few weeks without updating so it may not all be your patch |
| [02:47:52] | _Der_Thomas: | the lines are even on the menues so I know its not the TV cards... |
| [02:47:54] | kormoc: | sphery, he's testing a patch that I missed a list() around a chunk :P |
| [02:47:55] | iamlindoro__: | (two from skin.php and one from header.php) |
| [02:48:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, feel free to toss them up, I'm always game to take a gander |
| [02:48:48] | iamlindoro__: | let me try the updated patch and I'll let you know |
| [02:50:35] | iamlindoro__: | php timezone notice still there, at /var/www/mythweb/classes/MythBackend.php, line 123: |
| [02:51:06] | iamlindoro__: | (warnings, also |
| [02:51:09] | iamlindoro__: | ) |
| [02:51:16] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [02:51:37] | iamlindoro__: | one sec, pastebinning |
| [02:51:53] | kormoc: | ooh, hehe |
| [02:51:55] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [02:51:59] | kormoc: | I see what's up |
| [02:52:05] | iamlindoro__: | http://rafb.net/p/Cwn7KJ23.html |
| [02:52:45] | iamlindoro__: | ah, yeah, reverted and it all goes away, so I guess it is :) |
| [02:53:00] | kormoc: | Yeah, what I did was store a array in your session, let me update this to fix it |
| [02:54:33] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, updated patch, give that a go? |
| [02:54:42] | iamlindoro__: | sure |
| [02:55:25] | iamlindoro__: | Oh wow |
| [02:55:30] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, that's *much* faster |
| [02:55:37] | kormoc: | slickness |
| [02:55:54] | iamlindoro__: | all my times for page loads were in the 2–4 second range, this reduces all but one to under a second |
| [02:56:00] | iamlindoro__: | and shaves a bit off of that one |
| [02:56:03] | kormoc: | oh nice |
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| [02:56:47] | iamlindoro__: | Hrm, dunno if this is you or me, but the mythvideo page has a division by zero |
| [02:56:58] | iamlindoro__: | lines 56 and 57 |
| [02:57:02] | kormoc: | file? |
| [02:57:03] | iamlindoro__: | (video.php) |
| [02:57:27] | iamlindoro__: | and another header.php warning |
| [02:57:45] | iamlindoro__: | if it's relevant, I haven't linked the video covers dir yet |
| [02:57:45] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [02:57:54] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [02:57:57] | kormoc: | yeah, that's why |
| [02:58:10] | kormoc: | well |
| [02:58:17] | kormoc: | it does a file_exists on it |
| [02:58:26] | kormoc: | but getimagesize() is returning 0,0 for whatever it is |
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| [02:59:09] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, fixing it gives me covers, but still the two warnings |
| [02:59:10] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, so yeah, with php, anytime you see 'headers already sent', it's almost always ignorable and fixed by fixing the first problem |
| [02:59:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: you have some "cover" images that are 301 Moved HTML paages |
| [02:59:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: ls -lS should show you them (smallest images) |
| [03:00:10] | sphery: | (it's almost as if I just diagnosed this on a friend's Myth box last night :) |
| [03:00:16] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, haha |
| [03:00:27] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, thanks, good to know (I am php-tarded) |
| [03:01:01] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, updated patch, should fix your bad images now as well |
| [03:02:06] | sphery: | kormoc: meaning you fixed the "what if the poster isn't an image" thing? |
| [03:02:23] | kormoc: | sphery, aye, should just display no image rather then breaking now |
| [03:02:30] | sphery: | cool |
| [03:03:04] | iamlindoro__: | sure enough |
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| [03:03:46] | iamlindoro__: | looking good now |
| [03:04:05] | iamlindoro__: | Biggest difference seems to be recorded programs, that is *fast* now |
| [03:05:10] | kormoc: | awesome |
| [03:05:22] | kormoc: | I'm glad my theories panned out :) |
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| [03:06:48] | Led-Hed: | any theories on why my fe hangs? :) |
| [03:07:06] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, I think we've all already theorized you have disk issues |
| [03:07:17] | iamlindoro__: | in fact, your frontend log more or less explicitly says so |
| [03:07:25] | iamlindoro__: | (the line about could not safely read from file) |
| [03:07:41] | iamlindoro__: | disk/controller/etc. issues, that is |
| [03:07:57] | iamlindoro__: | But something on the path between bus and platter, up to and including platter |
| [03:08:14] | Led-Hed: | it just doesnt make sense though. The BE is also a FE, and it has never once hung. |
| [03:08:32] | Led-Hed: | not to mention the hanging happened on the old BE also. |
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| [03:08:49] | iamlindoro__: | Our best guess is kinda the best we can do |
| [03:09:13] | Led-Hed: | so try a different controller, and disks? |
| [03:09:17] | iamlindoro__: | but we and dmesg and the myth log seem to all agree |
| [03:09:31] | iamlindoro__: | can't hurt |
| [03:09:39] | Led-Hed: | except my wallet |
| [03:09:59] | iamlindoro__: | Well it can't *help* to try nothing |
| [03:10:04] | iamlindoro__: | but you can do that too if you like |
| [03:10:22] | Led-Hed: | its just frusterating. |
| [03:10:57] | iamlindoro__: | I myself would caution against buying the cheapest largest disk available if you end up needing to replace disks, by the way |
| [03:11:18] | Led-Hed: | ya I hear you |
| [03:11:22] | iamlindoro__: | But Seagate has burned me bad this year, so I may just be bitter |
| [03:11:42] | jblack: | big,cheap,kinda-reliable disks are practically made for myth. |
| [03:12:10] | Led-Hed: | ya if they work |
| [03:12:13] | iamlindoro__: | I'll take large affordable reliable any day :) |
| [03:12:16] | jblack: | It won't hurt if you lose your 40 episodes of 3's company, but you'll feel it if you lose 5 years of email. |
| [03:12:20] | Led-Hed: | which apparently mine dont |
| [03:12:37] | iamlindoro__: | But how will I know if he ever gets that implied threesome if I lose all my Epzz0rz? |
| [03:12:41] | Led-Hed: | jblack, I'd be more pissed about the 3's Company |
| [03:13:17] | jblack: | OH, he doesn't. He ends up marrying different chick entirely. |
| [03:13:28] | iamlindoro__: | GEEZ, SPOILER ALERT |
| [03:13:33] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [03:13:37] | Led-Hed: | no doubt |
| [03:15:44] | Led-Hed: | I'll try a new PS for now. I have a spare lying around |
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| [03:19:22] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Did you do anything to affect the thumbnail transfer? That's what always seemed to bog down, but I suppose it could have been anything |
| [03:19:37] | iamlindoro__: | just seems to all pop in at once now (not that I'm complaining) |
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| [03:20:33] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, Aye, rather then querying the backend every time for stuff like timezone/protoversion (which was taking upwards of .6 seconds on my box), I'm caching it for 24 hours :) |
| [03:20:51] | iamlindoro__: | ahhh, makes perfect sense |
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| [03:40:59] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, so I checked in the full patches, so feel free to up and let me know if things break :) |
| [03:41:08] | iamlindoro__: | heh, ok |
| [03:43:42] | iamlindoro__: | Oooh, um, yeah. kormoc: http://rafb.net/p/G8YIaI30.html |
| [03:43:51] | iamlindoro__: | Topmost page is fine, most of the secondary pages fail with that |
| [03:43:54] | kormoc: | svn up :P |
| [03:44:20] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [03:45:07] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, there we go |
| [03:45:30] | iamlindoro__: | All seems well |
| [03:45:50] | iamlindoro__: | The improvement to search speed is nice too |
| [03:46:25] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm happy with the results so far |
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| [03:49:43] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm, one other for you |
| [03:49:52] | iamlindoro__: | Warning at /var/www/mythweb/modules/remote/handler.php, line 104: |
| [03:50:11] | iamlindoro__: | require_once(keys.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [03:50:42] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [03:53:36] | kormoc: | svn up :) |
| [03:54:01] | iamlindoro__: | Okily dokily |
| [03:54:28] | iamlindoro__: | yep, all fixed |
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| [04:10:46] | wesw02: | My antenna for my HD input went out last week, I replaced it today and I noticed that I now only get two channels instead of six, the weird thing is when I try to tune in the other channels they are duplicates of the working channels? |
| [04:11:26] | wesw02: | What could cause this? I checked my database backups for the last few weeks and the channel frequencies have not changed |
| [04:12:23] | wesw02: | to be more specific FOX comes in on the correct channel, as well as on ABC and another local channel |
| [04:12:47] | wesw02: | the antenna is the same make and model that I previously used |
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| [04:17:08] | iamlindoro__: | Did you rescan? |
| [04:17:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just do a minimal updates rescan in mythtv-setup |
| [04:18:04] | wesw02: | yes |
| [04:18:13] | wesw02: | when I rescan it only picks up those two channels |
| [04:18:16] | wesw02: | with no duplicates |
| [04:18:43] | wesw02: | but the weird thing about that it each channel it scans, it re-updates the previous two channels |
| [04:18:53] | wesw02: | let me try to clearify that |
| [04:19:29] | wesw02: | when scanning, it detects channel 45.1 and 45.2, then moves to scan the next channel, it then states its updating channel 45.1 and 45.2 |
| [04:20:42] | wesw02: | the result of the scan leaves me with about 100 or so entries in my 'dtv_multiplex' table |
| [04:20:47] | wesw02: | but only two channels |
| [04:21:05] | iamlindoro__: | I would remove the lineup entirely, then |
| [04:21:16] | wesw02: | tried that |
| [04:21:16] | iamlindoro__: | and recreate it-- but sounds like your antenna is mispointed now |
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| [04:21:35] | wesw02: | thats the weird thing, i have great reception in the area |
| [04:21:55] | wesw02: | in fact its just rabit ears |
| [04:21:59] | iamlindoro__: | Use the dvb-apps scan utility to do a scan, see if it agrees |
| [04:22:05] | wesw02: | with a little booster |
| [04:22:10] | wesw02: | it does |
| [04:22:15] | wesw02: | the same thing happens |
| [04:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | If it does the same thing then your issue isn't with myth, it's with your antenna or your capture device. |
| [04:22:42] | wesw02: | hmm |
| [04:22:53] | wesw02: | okay, well that helps |
| [04:23:04] | wesw02: | I'll scratch that off the list |
| [04:23:10] | iamlindoro__: | One less thing :) |
| [04:23:20] | wesw02: | do you think it could be some kind of outage? |
| [04:23:24] | wesw02: | in the area |
| [04:23:39] | wagnerrp: | check the scanner, try using dvbscan instead of the mythtv scanner |
| [04:23:40] | iamlindoro__: | Pretty doubtful but anything's possible |
| [04:23:57] | wesw02: | wagnerrp, i did, i get the same results |
| [04:24:00] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, *cough*, see one minute ago ;) |
| [04:24:05] | wesw02: | hehe |
| [04:24:22] | wesw02: | what do you think it most likely the cause, the antenna or the capture device? |
| [04:24:43] | wagnerrp: | indeed you did.... ive got a movie open and its covering all but the last few lines of text |
| [04:25:00] | iamlindoro__: | It's honestly impossible to make a guess, but given the thing you just replaced is the antenna, logic dictates it's most likely to be that |
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| [04:25:42] | wesw02: | agreed |
| [04:25:44] | wagnerrp: | well check the capture device, plug the antenna into a tv and see what you get |
| [04:25:51] | wesw02: | yeap |
| [04:25:56] | wesw02: | thanks for the help guys |
| [04:26:00] | iamlindoro__: | np, good luck |
| [04:26:16] | wesw02: | thank you |
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| [04:27:30] | wesw02: | I assume I should be using "us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB" |
| [04:27:39] | wesw02: | with dvbscan |
| [04:27:55] | wesw02: | I'm in the US, and looking for HD channels |
| [04:30:34] | iamlindoro__: | right, that's correct |
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| [04:38:24] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get in the habit of plugging in my mouse |
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| [04:43:12] | iamlindoro__: | holy cow, the simpsons tonight is right on, heh |
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| [04:46:17] | wesw02: | iamlindoro_, ready for the solution? |
| [04:46:25] | iamlindoro__: | go for it |
| [04:46:51] | wesw02: | oldly enough, I forgot to mention that I had preformed a kernel update while my old antenna was out |
| [04:47:02] | wesw02: | apparently the new kernel the modules are broken |
| [04:47:06] | wesw02: | for tuning |
| [04:47:14] | iamlindoro__: | ah, heh |
| [04:47:32] | wesw02: | it seems that while it thinks it's tuning, its really not, thats why I had dupilicate channels |
| [04:47:46] | wagnerrp: | that would do it |
| [04:48:16] | wesw02: | bizarre, time to report a bug :) |
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| [08:17:20] | Chicago: | On Friday the promo code EMCBBCJBF for newegg HD Homeruns was posted here... but Newegg is telling me that promo code is invalid right now. |
| [08:17:29] | Chicago: | Is there a better code anybody knows about on this channel? |
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| [09:08:58] | justinh: | dustybin: which display are you referring to?I hope you don't mean Britney on the X-Factor |
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| [09:44:08] | laga: | morning justinh |
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| [09:45:56] | justinh: | morning laga. good.. er.. things in general? |
| [09:48:18] | justinh: | bloody club I went to on Saturday wanted £20 entry fee, so we made sure we got our money's worth & stayed til 6am. FFS |
| [09:54:05] | laga: | you party way more than i do |
| [09:54:08] | laga: | and i'm 21 ;) |
| [09:54:36] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:56:24] | justinh: | got really pissed off at how busy the club was, though. WAY oversubscribed, even at that price. The queues for the toilets were horrendous too.. and all because of people wanting to powder their noses – literally. About time more places had powerful fans above the cubicles, or at least had a separate line for the non-cubicle facility |
| [09:57:44] | laga: | "men, women, coke"? |
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| [10:03:35] | linagee: | wouldn't it be cool to create some way of tracking commercials on TV? :) |
| [10:03:58] | linagee: | develop a fingerprint for each commercial then count them on every channel |
| [10:04:04] | justinh: | why? |
| [10:04:14] | linagee: | justinh: because statistics is fun. :) |
| [10:04:27] | linagee: | justinh: compare effectiveness between branding. :) |
| [10:04:37] | justinh: | right :-\ |
| [10:04:48] | justinh: | if you think statistics are fun you need to get laid more |
| [10:05:02] | laga: | statistics are great |
| [10:05:03] | linagee: | justinh: just because I skip commercials and every other geek does too, doesn't mean joe average isn't brainwashed by them. :) |
| [10:05:28] | justinh: | if I hear about cool/funny/interesting ads I can watch them on youtube :) |
| [10:05:55] | linagee: | justinh: not to watch them. to track them. like whales in the ocean. :) |
| [10:06:07] | justinh: | WHY? In God's name WHY? |
| [10:06:20] | linagee: | justinh: and also see, "wtf? coke has spend money on commercials on every single channel way more than any other company this month" |
| [10:06:35] | linagee: | justinh: because then you could put that info on a website and it would be interesting to poke at |
| [10:06:41] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [10:06:43] | justinh: | get bent |
| [10:06:56] | linagee: | sort of like stuff you're not supposed to know. how much each company spends on advertising. |
| [10:07:06] | ** justinh starts tracking the number of ludicrous ideas people air in here ** | |
| [10:07:15] | linagee: | justinh: zero.... zero.... zero.... |
| [10:07:32] | justinh: | oh look. 99.999999% of them are just pointless. Add them to the wiki |
| [10:07:39] | linagee: | lol |
| [10:08:01] | linagee: | justinh: i bet you call all of wikipedia pointless. |
| [10:08:23] | justinh: | yup. It's MONDAY. Can you tell? |
| [10:08:32] | linagee: | justinh: nevermind. I bet it's been done already. no idea is original. :) |
| [10:08:35] | justinh: | good job I don't do E. Tuesday would be hellish |
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| [10:10:06] | justinh: | btw did anyone catch 'Click' on BBC News at the weekend? MythTV got a mention :-O |
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| [10:15:05] | justinh: | was funny seeing the video of MCE in action, saying something like "whoops you already have two recordings scheduled to record. Do you want to cancel one of them so you can record this show instead?" |
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| [13:19:34] | dashcloud: | hi, I used to be able to record my satellite & broadcast channels on the same input connection, then I deleted all my video sources for some reason, and now I can't figure out how to tie both lineups to the input connection I record from |
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| [13:27:17] | justinh: | you can only have one 'video source' per video input |
| [13:27:28] | justinh: | i.e. only one source of listings data per video input |
| [13:27:53] | justinh: | you can however have a common listings source & assign it to multiple video inputs |
| [13:30:47] | dashcloud: | is the common listings source just the channels shared by lineups? |
| [13:31:00] | justinh: | what? |
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| [13:31:56] | dashcloud: | what do you mean by common listings source? |
| [13:32:38] | justinh: | I meant that you can have one 'video source' and assign it to multiple tuner/video inputs |
| [13:33:30] | justinh: | and if you go around doing random stuff 'for some reason' wtf do you expect? That things will just continue to work? You could just have restored a database backup of course :P |
| [13:41:13] | dashcloud: | thanks justinh |
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| [13:48:41] | riddlebox: | is anyone else having problems with a pvr500 and ubuntu 8.10? |
| [13:50:35] | justinh: | problems using it to make toasted sandwiches? Yes, I can imagine |
| [13:52:08] | riddlebox: | justinh, only my second tuner is detected |
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| [13:52:40] | justinh: | riddlebox: do you have a webcam or some such device? |
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| [13:53:05] | riddlebox: | justinh, I have a pinnacle 800i tuner card as well, which works fine |
| [13:53:06] | justinh: | is something else maybe beatingthe 1st pvr500 tuner to /dev/video0 ? |
| [13:53:25] | riddlebox: | its being detected as /dev/video2 |
| [13:53:34] | justinh: | and? |
| [13:53:45] | riddlebox: | I cannot get /dev/video1 working |
| [13:54:19] | justinh: | surely that's the 2nd device on the pvr card |
| [13:55:13] | riddlebox: | http://pastebin.ca/1272336 |
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| [13:55:56] | riddlebox: | my options are /dev/video2, /dev/video26, /dev/video34 in mythtv setup, and /dev/video2 is the only one that works |
| [13:56:12] | riddlebox: | the pinnacle800i is /dev/video0 |
| [13:57:36] | justinh: | you know you have to add both halves of the pvr500 card as separate devices, right? |
| [13:58:32] | riddlebox: | justinh, yes I know |
| [13:59:04] | riddlebox: | this has worked fine for years, I upgrade install the ivtv driver, and firmware and it works perfect, but not after this upgrade |
| [14:00:00] | justinh: | begs the question "why upgrade" |
| [14:00:21] | stuarta: | shiny++ |
| [14:01:55] | riddlebox: | justinh, actually I read that there was better support for the pinnacle 800i in the new kernel |
| [14:02:13] | riddlebox: | but if I cant sort this out soon I may just go back to hardy |
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| [14:07:35] | laga: | justinh: www.begthequestion.info ;) |
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| [14:17:18] | psm321: | apparently there's a firmware fix out for the seagate 1.5tb's |
| [14:17:58] | justinh: | www.bootdisk.com ftw! |
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| [14:23:48] | psm321: | justinh: afaict it comes as a bootable cd iso |
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| [15:59:26] | OOlio: | i have lifeview card with tv in option and i want to use it with mythtv but its doesnt recognize it , i browsed quite alot the web and found out its has to do with BTTV and bt848 driver , when i lspci i cant see it , anyone know why ? |
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| [16:02:12] | iamlindoro_: | OOlio: You need to pursue those questions in #v4l. MythTV won't recognize anything the OS doesn't recognize. Once you have it working in linux, then it will work in Myth. |
| [16:02:30] | OOlio: | ill go look there thanks |
| [16:02:40] | iamlindoro_: | you are welcome |
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| [16:21:02] | GreyFoxx: | iamlin: Your HDPVR stuff plays fine with VDPAU right ? |
| [16:22:02] | Chutt: | GreyFoxx, hey, how well does your 8400gs run the UI with the opengl painter? |
| [16:22:11] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: Perfectly |
| [16:22:19] | Chutt: | how high of a res have you run it at? |
| [16:22:24] | GreyFoxx: | 1360x768 |
| [16:22:31] | Chutt: | ah, nevermind then :p |
| [16:22:48] | GreyFoxx: | I Switched painters as when I have it enabled VDPAU is very hit or miss |
| [16:22:51] | GreyFoxx: | heh k |
| [16:23:03] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Sorry, yeah, perfect |
| [16:23:13] | Chutt: | 1080p's quite a bit different in terms of speed |
| [16:23:19] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [16:24:07] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Obviously without a GPUtop I can't tell how hard it's working, but VDPAU at least seems to render it without issue |
| [16:24:15] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:24:31] | high-rez: | ot |
| [16:24:51] | high-rez: | it's nvidia, point a laser thermometer at it, the higher the temp the higher the cpu load. :) |
| [16:25:00] | iamlindoro_: | AFAICT VC1 isn't enabled in the driver yet for my board even though it supports it... maybe next driver revision |
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| [16:25:41] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, I'll just get that laser thermometer I have laying right... oh wait. ;) |
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| [16:27:30] | iamlindoro_: | Besides, it's IGP so it's the northbridge too, so wouldn't help |
| [16:28:18] | high-rez: | Ahh. I'm still struggling to get vdpau working with my 8600GT. Wish I had an integrated solution so I could yank this card out. |
| [16:29:10] | iamlindoro_: | high-rez: How much GPU memory? |
| [16:29:19] | high-rez: | 256 |
| [16:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | Bad news |
| [16:29:27] | high-rez: | Yeah, I've heard under 512 == sol |
| [16:29:34] | iamlindoro_: | but here's something you can try |
| [16:29:37] | high-rez: | What's that ? |
| [16:29:50] | iamlindoro_: | go into mythfrontend, set up your playback profiles for VDPAU, exit mythfrontend |
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| [16:30:00] | iamlindoro_: | then run "mythtv filename" on a media file |
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| [16:30:03] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stoffel_ | |
| [16:30:06] | iamlindoro_: | (instead of mythfrontend) |
| [16:30:28] | iamlindoro_: | Will reduce memory used so if there's any chance of it working, it'll be that way |
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| [16:30:52] | high-rez: | Thanks, I'll give that a try right now. :) |
| [16:31:09] | iamlindoro_: | you're welcome, hope it wokrs |
| [16:31:10] | iamlindoro_: | works |
| [16:32:42] | Anduin: | At the very least it makes the failures fast enough that retrying sucks less |
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| [16:34:14] | high-rez: | iamlin: The limitation with 256meg cards – that's a driver thing? |
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| [16:35:06] | iamlindoro_: | high-rez: It's probably a number of things-- Myth eats a fair amount of video memory up so it's probably more exaggerated in Myth, and VDPAU is still young, so it's probably not as optimized as it will be |
| [16:35:09] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: i would presume so, the windows cards do it with that little memory without issue |
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| [16:36:02] | wagnerrp: | it may be something so simple as the drivers are currently built with all sorts of debugging, so it consumes a lot of extra memory on the card |
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| [16:59:28] | sphery: | Ahhh, reminiscing. What a great thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [16:59:59] | sphery: | At the time, Myth had over 110K lines more code than required. Wonder how many extra we have, now. |
| [17:01:27] | iamlindoro_: | HA, I love that thread |
| [17:01:34] | sphery: | yeah. |
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| [17:02:01] | sphery: | I'm still waiting for him to post a link to his fast-light MythTV so I can switch. |
| [17:02:16] | sphery: | Until then, I'm just wasting time writing additional useless code for Myth. |
| [17:02:23] | iamlindoro_: | "Instead of XML the program guide information is in simple column-delimited format, with first line being the column definitions. Times are in UTC. That is all that is needed." |
| [17:02:26] | iamlindoro_: | Loveittttt |
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| [17:03:03] | toad_: | any recommendations for USB capture cards? would i be better off asking on #linuxtv? |
| [17:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | I also love the whole "everyone should speak english anyway" bit |
| [17:04:15] | sphery: | toad_: you'd be better off saying what you're trying to capture (NTSC, PAL, ATSC, DVB, ... :) |
| [17:04:24] | toad_: | DVB-T yeah |
| [17:04:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, why let a little thing like reality get in the way of progress? |
| [17:05:13] | sphery: | toad_: then I can't help... I just know some NTSC/ATSC ones. |
| [17:06:39] | sphery: | Love all the threads, "I just switched back to trunk and it doesn't work... Fix it for me." IMHO, if you're likely to post a message like that, you shouldn't be using trunk. |
| [17:06:56] | toad_: | :) |
| [17:07:12] | wagnerrp: | except for the fact that his version cannot run on the all-important TV |
| [17:07:13] | toad_: | yeah detailed bug reports are always great :| |
| [17:07:24] | sphery: | (I'm actually considering keeping my production boxes on -fixes indefinitely now that I have a dedicated dev box.) |
| [17:07:34] | wagnerrp: | thats a rather lacking 'feature' |
| [17:07:47] | toad_: | trunk can? on what? |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | no, perl-myth |
| [17:08:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you could start Firefox on the machine on the TV (though he never says how he's using LIRC in firefox, so I think he's only using LIRC in xine/mplayer/whatever he's using to play videos) |
| [17:10:17] | sphery: | toad_: yeah, they're not really bug reports and some go into excruciating detail to say, "This feature (that's known to be non-functional in trunk) doesn't work." It's more that they're not keeping up with development and they figure they can just ask on the list and someone else who spends hours of his own time reading -dev and -commits messages/diagnosing issues/learning how things have changed and how to use the new ... |
| [17:10:23] | sphery: | ... features will read their message and reply with the quick version of what they need to know. |
| [17:10:53] | toad_: | ahhh, right |
| [17:11:28] | toad_: | is segfaulting common on amd64? my system (on -fixes) segfaults a lot :| |
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| [17:15:49] | sphery: | Segfaulting isn't really common anywhere. There are a few places where, for example, we have known race conditions that could trigger segfaults (i.e. in the channel scanner when running on a multi-proc/multi-core system), but fixing them isn't worthwhile (as the code is being replaced and there are simple workarounds, such as pinning the process to a single core for scanning using taskset -c 0) |
| [17:16:29] | sphery: | Guess I should amend that to see, the /backend/'s segfaulting is uncommon. The frontend may segfault a /lot/ given garbage for video (i.e. with signal issues). |
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| [17:17:29] | iamlindoro_: | My systems are all 64 bit, never see segfaults |
| [17:17:29] | toad_: | well usually it's in transcode or filldatabase, every so often in backend, never in frontend |
| [17:17:44] | iamlindoro_: | well, other than the ones I cause by poking things, and usually in the frontend |
| [17:17:57] | toad_: | hmmm |
| [17:18:04] | toad_: | could it be due to dodgy capture hardware (USB)? |
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| [17:18:33] | toad_: | probably more likely dodgy system libraries (debian etch)? |
| [17:19:23] | toad_: | is it better to buy an identical stick for my second tuner? |
| [17:19:35] | iamlindoro_: | IME segfaults are often caused by (advertant or inadvertant) user manipulation *somewhere* (although, obviously, legit segfaults exist) |
| [17:20:05] | toad_: | welll... |
| [17:20:24] | toad_: | i do do some manipulation ... i hack the database to get it to actually do the transcodes its supposed to be doing ... |
| [17:20:34] | toad_: | maybe i should turn that off if the bug is fixed... |
| [17:21:29] | toad_: | i think my first tuner is a nova-t, any recommendations for the second? |
| [17:23:16] | toad_: | i guess another nova-t is more or less guaranteed to work as well as the current one does... |
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| [17:23:42] | olejl: | I get some compile errors on svn. Anyone know what is the latest rev that is compiling ok? |
| [17:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: The current revision compiles fine |
| [17:25:21] | olejl: | hmm... ok |
| [17:27:45] | sphery: | olejl: also, "svn" is meaningless. Should say "trunk" or "-fixes" (or whatever branch you're using). |
| [17:28:16] | olejl: | yes I know, I ment trunk |
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| [17:36:54] | dustybin: | I told my friend Ben to get a Nova-T 500 dual tuner like mine, the box shows the version with 1 antenna socket, the actual card has 2x antenna sockets. I rang up hauppauge and the guy said that card should work in linux, but so far no luck |
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| [17:38:07] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | ok.. so my backend log grew to 5.1 gigs in a day when i was gone because commflag was spamming massive amounts of mpeg2 errors out to log |
| [17:38:12] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | any way to silence these farking errors |
| [17:40:02] | sphery: | dustybin: perhaps he meant, "Should work in Linux (once you write the appropriate drivers)." :) |
| [17:40:04] | Anduin: | olejl: if you put the errors somewhere someone can usually tell you what is happening |
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| [17:41:35] | dustybin: | sphery: im re-compiling v4l drivers, and ive placed the firmware inside /lib/firmware |
| [17:41:38] | olejl: | Anduin, Appreciate the offer, but I just upgraded from Fedora 9 to 10 so I think I have to sort out somethings first |
| [17:41:41] | dustybin: | i cannot think of much else to do |
| [17:42:36] | dustybin: | how the hell can hauppauge get away with selling a item with the wrong picture on the box, bastards |
| [17:42:47] | dustybin: | wasting peoples time |
| [17:43:53] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | what item |
| [17:44:08] | dustybin: | Nova-T 500 Dual Tuner |
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| [17:44:22] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | what was on the box and what was in the box |
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| [17:44:59] | dustybin: | the box shows 1 antenna socket, the actual card has 2x antenna sockets |
| [17:45:10] | dustybin: | they are both dual tuners, but different revisions |
| [17:45:29] | dustybin: | 1 works in linux, 1 doesnt |
| [17:45:51] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | ah |
| [17:46:07] | dustybin: | the problem is shown here:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI |
| [17:46:08] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | someone that hangs out in this channel was hired by hauppauge to deal with linux support |
| [17:46:11] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | don't remember his name |
| [17:46:41] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:47:12] | iamlindoro_: | He wasn't hired to deal with linux support, he's a dev who happens to write the linux drivers in his spare time |
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| [17:47:52] | dustybin: | now my friend will have to waste extra money on returning the card for either money back or a replacement |
| [17:47:52] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | ah |
| [17:48:11] | dustybin: | Hauppauge Fail. |
| [17:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | If it's the Diversity version then it doesn't work in linux, and it's well documented online |
| [17:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin read fail |
| [17:48:47] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | yeah |
| [17:48:54] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | it is sold in the normal box though |
| [17:49:00] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: yes it is, but there is no way of knowing what you get until you recieve it |
| [17:49:03] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | hauppauge is willing to exchange it though |
| [17:49:08] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [17:49:15] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | um.. the wiki article you linked seems to indicate that there is a sticker on the box normally |
| [17:49:25] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . ity.22_model |
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| [17:49:32] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin READ FAIL |
| [17:49:51] | dustybin: | this is where we bought the vard |
| [17:50:00] | dustybin: | card, look at the picture, single antenna socket |
| [17:50:01] | dustybin: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/113946 |
| [17:50:08] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: So blame your retailer |
| [17:50:21] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge doesn't go around writing their websites for them, now do they? |
| [17:50:21] | dustybin: | aye |
| [17:50:38] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: but the box has the _wrong_ picture |
| [17:50:50] | dustybin: | that is Hauppauge problem |
| [17:51:12] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Does it have the sticker? |
| [17:51:29] | dustybin: | no diversity sticker on the front at all |
| [17:51:34] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | ANYWHERE ON THE BOX |
| [17:51:36] | iamlindoro_: | I don't believe you |
| [17:51:42] | KazanNEEDSAJOB: | it was on the back typically IIRC |
| [17:51:47] | dustybin: | im not at his house now, ill ask him |
| [17:52:00] | dustybin: | ill get him to take pictures of it and the card |
| [17:52:15] | iamlindoro_: | You should have known by doing your research in advance, it's all well documented, stop blaming others, and finally and most importantly, you are an idiot. |
| [17:52:24] | dustybin: | fuck off |
| [17:52:28] | cesman: | "I played a card. In this week's game...." |
| [17:52:35] | iamlindoro_: | "Returning the Card: Hauppauge UK are aware of this problem, and will willingly swap this model for a new one if you return it to them by post, or call by their offices at London Bridge. You can contact them on (020) 7378 0202." |
| [17:52:40] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeee, reading is fun! |
| [17:53:06] | dustybin: | i already read that and i have already spoke to them |
| [17:53:13] | dustybin: | they said it will work in linux |
| [17:53:40] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: So call them back, point them at the wiki page, and insist on an exchange. |
| [17:53:59] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [17:54:44] | iamlindoro_: | Also, when you get hungry, you should eat. When you get thirsty, you should drink. When you start to turn blue, you should breathe. Any other basic life skills we can coach you on? |
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| [17:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | And that's when he shot me, your honor |
| [17:56:43] | cesman: | lol! |
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| [18:26:09] | toad_: | any recommendations for USB DVB tuners? i have already a hauppauge nova-t, should i get another one? |
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| [18:38:46] | rlatta: | hello, I asked this in the ubuntu channel as well : I am having an issue with the spdif not working for the internal play on some codecs ...I either get static or no sound. Mplayer works fine. Any thoughts? |
| [18:39:22] | rlatta: | the sound was working a few hours ago, the only thing I changed was ripping a dvd (starting the transcode daemon) |
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| [18:43:49] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [18:44:18] | Dagmar: | Slashdot just mentioned that MySQL 5.1.30 has been released. |
| [18:44:39] | Dagmar: | Looks like we can add "you broke your distribution's mysql package" to the list of things to look for |
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| [18:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: Were your compiling problems with MythBurn? |
| [18:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | (ie problems compiling plugins, or myth itself?) |
| [18:49:49] | iamlindoro_: | s/MythBurn/MythArchive. |
| [18:49:52] | iamlindoro_: | / |
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| [18:50:27] | olejl: | iamlindoro, both, but I am updating alot of packages now so hopefully it will work after that. |
| [18:50:45] | olejl: | Looks like the upgrade DVD didn't take care of everything |
| [18:50:57] | iamlindoro_: | okay, Myth itself is compiling fine, Mytharchive appears broken. |
| [18:51:20] | iamlindoro_: | Owing to change made in the last few hours |
| [18:51:32] | olejl: | ok, but my internet connection is slow, so probably I will try again in a cople of hours |
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| [18:56:32] | riddlebox: | justinh, you still around? |
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| [19:25:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I was just checking--hadn't looked at any of the issues, but that's often the cause. |
| [19:25:20] | sphery: | guess I should have known you'd have done your due diligence, first. :) |
| [19:25:24] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, I know |
| [19:25:34] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Naw, I figured it was 50/50 it was my fault |
| [19:25:47] | riddlebox: | man I cannot figure out why ubuntu only sees the second tuner of this pvr500! |
| [19:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | But given how irritated it makes me to hear "Myth is broken" when in 90% of cases it's user error, I do my best to check into everything and if it *is* broken, take at least a half-stab at finding the fix before reporting it |
| [19:27:15] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Spent about 30 minutes trying to fix it, but getting MythBurn::doRemoveArchiveItem was non-obvious to me |
| [19:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | or at least, how to do so |
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| [19:35:13] | rlatta: | the .asoundrc file helped in case anyone is wondering |
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| [19:37:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: especially if--as it sounds like the case may be--Paul forgot to check it in :) |
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| [19:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like it was broken since at least 19181, shows how often I rebuild plugins |
| [19:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | since I probab;ly built myth three or four times since then |
| [19:43:19] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like Sage has a new HD extender out, but it doesn't seem to do any more than the first one besides "look uglier." |
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| [19:45:26] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.sage.tv/0_imgDir/HDTheaterMainMenu800.jpg |
| [19:45:36] | iamlindoro_: | Hahah, look at that menu and then tell me who will be suing Sage |
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| [19:47:40] | gbee: | like ebuyer's response to the VAT drop, their prices have gone up :( |
| [19:48:14] | iamlindoro_: | If you can afford to build and sell custom hardware, can't you afford to pay a college kid to draw icons so you don't have to steal Apple's? |
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| [19:50:53] | gbee: | hmm? |
| [19:51:11] | sphery: | things that make you go... |
| [19:51:36] | ** gbee notices their front page banner "VAT drop, all prices down, passing on the savings to you" ** | |
| [19:51:39] | gbee: | my arse |
| [19:52:31] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [19:52:47] | Dagmar: | Maybe this time the Register will ask Richard Bennett to not aubmit any more articles to them |
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| [19:54:41] | sphery: | Wow... I just fixed 80229 people without any errors... |
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| [19:55:17] | iamlindoro_: | There's a lot more than 80229 people who shouldn't be allowed to procreate, get back to work |
| [19:55:24] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | And hey, if you make a little mistake, nobody will blame you. Start in eastern Canada, some shutin kid I know |
| [19:56:33] | Dagmar: | Maybe you could work on Bennett next |
| [19:56:52] | Dagmar: | "UDP is immune to congestion control" is so incorrect it makes my eyes water to see it. |
| [19:57:10] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, it's pretty ridiculous |
| [19:57:12] | sphery: | DB update that took 42 seconds (to fix unimportant data ;) on my Athlon X2 5000+ (but with worst-case-scenario, where every single person is corrupt). Wonder if that's acceptable for a one-time issue or if I need to find a more efficient approach (the 80229 updates to both the credits and recordedcredits tables, though, probably can't be optimized too much...) |
| [19:57:23] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: What's the article? |
| [19:57:33] | Dagmar: | The one that was linked on freaking Slashdot. |
| [19:57:52] | Dagmar: | Thankfully (or astonishingly depending on how you look at it) most of the slashdot posters seem to actually know how many ways this guy is wrong |
| [19:57:58] | Dagmar: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/richa . . . torrent_udp/ |
| [19:57:59] | sphery: | wouldn't that be the day--when only one article gets linked on /. per day... |
| [19:58:09] | Dagmar: | Me, I"m documenting how many ways he's wrong and putting it on Memestreams. |
| [19:58:18] | Dagmar: | I swear I think the dude gets money from Comcast |
| [19:58:18] | iamlindoro_: | Haven't been on slashdot today |
| [19:58:38] | Dagmar: | When you look at the list of other articles he's written for them, he's definitely drinking their kool-aid |
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| [20:06:41] | gbee: | any reason I should avoid Crucial Ballistix stuff over their standard? For some reason, despite being faster it's also cheaper right now, but heatsinks on RAM has always made me dubious and I don't want the hassle of adding more ventilation to this case |
| [20:09:25] | iamlindoro_: | I have had really good luck with Crucial, and they have a great guarantee |
| [20:10:02] | laga: | i would get the normal ones |
| [20:10:12] | laga: | just because i'm not a ricer ;) |
| [20:10:34] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Even when the faster, nicer modules are cheaper? |
| [20:11:07] | gbee: | aye, I've bought nothing but Crucial for the last 5 years, but I'm not too sure about the Ballistix stuff for heat reasons |
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| [20:12:38] | gbee: | and I can't really fault Crucial for price, one of the reasons I tend to buy their stuff is because it's inexpensive and until the last year or so, buying direct from them was cheaper with much faster delivery than most online retailers |
| [20:12:40] | sphery: | I've got many sticks of RAM with heatsinks (many of those Crucial) and haven't had any problems even though I run my systems at 100% CPU with BOINC/SETI and I don't have any special cooling solutions. Actually, the RAM is the one thing on my network that's not currently failing. :) |
| [20:13:18] | gbee: | sphery: that's good enough for me |
| [20:13:25] | ** sphery has had 3 HDD failures in a month, has 2 failing (cheap) PSU's, and a failing (4-yr-old) laptop (bad heatsink/fan, I think) ** | |
| [20:13:54] | sphery: | the problem with buying a ton of computer hardware in 2004 is that it all fails at the same time (in late 2008, it seems :) |
| [20:13:55] | iamlindoro_: | Wow, Seagate drives failing, that's just crazy talk |
| [20:14:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: only one of 3 was Seagate... Also includes a WD (but it wasn't green :), and a(n) Hitachi |
| [20:15:02] | iamlindoro_: | yeah yeah |
| [20:15:15] | sphery: | gbee: when you find issues with the RAM you bought based on my input, let me know and I'll spring for the replacement :) |
| [20:15:26] | gbee: | sphery: yeah my 3/4 yr old laptop is going south pretty fast, fan is getting noisy, screen surround is cracking at the hinges, the up arrow has lost it's bounce |
| [20:15:28] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:15:31] | sphery: | (after all, it's now bound to fail) |
| [20:16:14] | iamlindoro_: | I finally got the stupid new LTO-IV drive at work here working and breathed a sigh of relief, really need that data offsite |
| [20:16:24] | sphery: | yeah, my laptop just started to get video corruption/lockup (GPU heatsink/fan) that often actually panics the kernel (even with the FOSS nv driver) so I can't do a proper shutdown. |
| [20:16:31] | iamlindoro_: | (speaking of data loss/drive failures/etc that is) |
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| [20:17:05] | gbee: | it's crazy just how noisy the seeks on my Seagate drive are, vowed not to buy Seagate again after that, in comparison my Samsung's are as quiet as a ghost |
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| [20:17:54] | sphery: | Battery is now at less than 50% of design capacity (around 2894mAh of 6000mAh). So, I figure it's time for a replacement (as a battery alone is $75 for a 4000mAh replacement or > $100 for a 6000mAh replacement (both 3rd party) or $155 or $190 (for 6000mAh or 6600mAh, respectively) from the OEM |
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| [20:18:10] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Not the clickety-clackety is it? |
| [20:18:24] | sphery: | my Hitachi is doing the clickety clackety thing |
| [20:18:35] | sphery: | still running (but I've already ordered the replacement) |
| [20:18:41] | iamlindoro_: | That was my sure sign it wouldn't be coming back if I rebooted |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | lots of unreadable sectors in the SMART logs, too |
| [20:18:48] | gbee: | made the mistake of not going for 4Gb straight off on this machine, especially considering the GPU is taking 1/4 of that ... for the first time in a while I not only went into swap, I ran out of it too |
| [20:19:04] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: your 8200 allows you to specify 1 GB? |
| [20:19:06] | sphery: | wow, how much swap? |
| [20:19:28] | iamlindoro_: | Lucky, my 9300 only allows up to 512-- Although at least at that level it works |
| [20:19:35] | gbee: | iamlindoro: more of a click without the clack, done it ever since I bought it, which would be 2–3 years ago now |
| [20:19:38] | iamlindoro_: | with VDPAU |
| [20:19:58] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: no, I went for 2Gb instead of 4 |
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| [20:20:04] | sphery: | hmmm... Guess my Hitachi is doing the same (click, no clack) |
| [20:20:11] | iamlindoro_: | ah, my misunderstanding |
| [20:20:59] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg-dev list has a conversation going on between one of the nvidia VDPAU devs and the ffmpeg devs-- I really wish they would be less insulting sometimes |
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| [20:21:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: ffmpeg devs insulting the NVIDIA guys? |
| [20:21:21] | sphery: | got a link? |
| [20:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | Nothing keeping nvidia from saying "fine. Here's the header. Bye!" |
| [20:21:33] | iamlindoro_: | hang on |
| [20:21:54] | wagnerrp: | nothing like kicking a gifthorse in the face |
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| [20:22:20] | GreyFoxx: | iamlin: Yeah they are way too rough on people I think |
| [20:22:27] | GreyFoxx: | the myth devs catch a lot of heat for being "mean" but we're NOTHING like those guys |
| [20:23:06] | wagnerrp: | well youre just short with people who dont read through the instructions |
| [20:23:08] | sphery: | yeah, kind of like the response on -users, "What, my box specifically says, 'PureVideo,' and NVIDIA isn't supporting it just to make me have to go out and buy a new card. The greedy ********!" |
| [20:23:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: though many seem to be beating a gift horse to death |
| [20:23:09] | sphery: | wonder how many adages we can mix for this one... |
| [20:23:27] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: huh, I didn't found anything in that conversation insulting but maybe I'm just used to it |
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| [20:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /056790.html |
| [20:24:36] | wagnerrp: | i know ive mentioned several times that this free patch is what you get for an extra $30 on windows |
| [20:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | Covers much of the thread |
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| [20:24:50] | sphery: | janneg: on the people-corruption fix, it took about 44 seconds on my Athlon X2 5000+ when I just duplicated all 80229 records with an uncorrupt version. Is that acceptable for a one-time fix? |
| [20:25:06] | iamlindoro_: | It's the snooty shit like "Uh, like useless code much?" that is more than mildly insulting |
| [20:25:16] | iamlindoro_: | especially when it's a company doing your work for you |
| [20:25:28] | Chicago: | I ordered an HD Homerun for $138 from Newegg and the antenna they sell from Winegard. I hope I like it. |
| [20:25:52] | sphery: | janneg: i.e. I had 160458 records, 80229 of which were dups. That means 80229 updates to each of credits and recordedcredits. I currently have a "this may take a while" message before the update. |
| [20:25:53] | janneg: | sphery: how long does it take without any corruppted data at all |
| [20:26:01] | wagnerrp: | whats with the lack of word-wrap on that list archive |
| [20:26:32] | sphery: | janneg: should be instantaneous (I'm only selecting and processing the corrupt records where LENGTH(name) = 128) |
| [20:26:41] | Dagmar: | BY the way, whoeever said Blizzard uses UDP would be worng |
| [20:26:43] | Dagmar: | wrong channel |
| [20:26:56] | wagnerrp: | this about utorrent udp? |
| [20:27:02] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [20:27:10] | Dagmar: | I'm still writing up my thing on Memestreams about it |
| [20:27:17] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . 5&page=2 |
| [20:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: see post 18 and my response to it |
| [20:27:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: (this is re: My card should be good enough, Whaaaaaah!" |
| [20:27:38] | iamlindoro_: | ) |
| [20:27:40] | GreyFoxx: | It's funny. I keep checking their site every day for a new beta driver hehe |
| [20:27:48] | sphery: | janneg: so, for most users, the update won't take any time--once we fix the conversion with mythtv-5946-fix_database_utf8_conversion.patch (at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5946 ) |
| [20:28:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: thx |
| [20:28:15] | wagnerrp: | im pissed off i cant use my MX440 with VDPAU, that was a beast of a card |
| [20:28:18] | GreyFoxx: | I should pull together some samples of what I have problems playing back. Chutt said he would filter through and sends them on for the driver guys to play with |
| [20:29:27] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: overread that |
| [20:29:41] | sphery: | nice having an inside man :) (Yeah, I realize he's not completely inside, but...) |
| [20:30:02] | janneg: | s/ /I've / |
| [20:30:30] | GreyFoxx: | Sphery: Hehe |
| [20:30:37] | janneg: | sphery: then it's perfectly fine, the utf-8 convewrsion takes much longer |
| [20:31:12] | sphery: | janneg: cool. I'll upload the patch. Just running a couple more tests with partial dups and I'll do a no corruption test. |
| [20:31:34] | GreyFoxx: | After seeing how well some of my dvd rips (in h264 in mkv containers) looked in VDPAU versus software decoding and XV scaling I'm definitely thinking I'll switch once it's more stable |
| [20:31:58] | iamlindoro_: | The only thing keeping me from playing with it more often is the horrendous MPEG-2 rendering |
| [20:32:17] | GreyFoxx: | iaml: Same here |
| [20:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | It makes digital look like *bad* analog |
| [20:32:24] | GreyFoxx: | That's the big one for me right now |
| [20:33:01] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Here's what I've written, if you care to read/reference it http://www.memestreams.net/users/dagmar/blogid10333510/ |
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| [20:33:24] | ** sphery thinks his "This may take a while" warning wasn't written to the log until after the while had passed (because of buffering)... ** | |
| [20:33:45] | Dagmar: | HOT PIPES, COMING RIGHT UP |
| [20:33:53] | Dagmar: | hiinthinthint |
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| [20:34:52] | sphery: | heh, yeah, no need for the warning, then. |
| [20:35:04] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: is 1080i mpeg2 also rendered badly? |
| [20:35:10] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: Very much so |
| [20:35:13] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a design flaw to me |
| [20:35:17] | sphery: | Oh, wait, there it is... Other stuff after it... |
| [20:35:35] | Dagmar: | ...if important, time-sensitive messages can be sent to a log queue that involves buffering delay, that's wrong. |
| [20:36:01] | janneg: | I've solved that with video display profiles and use vdpau only for HD resolutions which is in my cause 100% H264 |
| [20:36:07] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: The "banding" is slightly less noticeable because they seem to occur at the same pixel interval as in SD, but the misrendering around edges and in solid olors is just as pronounced |
| [20:36:14] | iamlindoro_: | colors |
| [20:36:31] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: Yeah, no such luck here, all MPEG2 :( |
| [20:36:49] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: so we need to add codec as matching criterion for the profiles |
| [20:37:19] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: I had been thinking that same thing-- of course, it would probably become moot (for me) once nvidia gets MPEG-2 fixed |
| [20:38:21] | janneg: | and while mpeg2 decoded with vdpau looks not as good as with software decoder, it's not that bad anymore |
| [20:39:14] | Chutt: | it looks the same here |
| [20:39:50] | GreyFoxx: | Chutt: Do you see the artifacts/banding with HD mpeg2 as well ? Or does it look fine for you >? |
| [20:39:55] | Chutt: | looks fine |
| [20:40:06] | GreyFoxx: | What res are you displaying at ? |
| [20:40:13] | Chutt: | 1080p |
| [20:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | I see the same effect at both 1080p and 1360x768 |
| [20:41:20] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder if my TV takes 1080p hmm |
| [20:41:40] | iamlindoro_: | with 1080i captures, predominantly, but last night's "the Simpsons" looked *really bad* as the decoder problem seems most pronounced with a) solid colors and b) edges... and that's all cartoons are |
| [20:41:43] | Chutt: | looks fine at 720p too |
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| [20:44:49] | cezium: | How much processor capacity is needed to play 1080p h264 video from an mkv container? |
| [20:44:58] | GreyFoxx: | cez: Almost nothing |
| [20:45:12] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | with an asterisk |
| [20:45:23] | iamlindoro_: | Almost Nothing* |
| [20:45:36] | cezium: | I just orderd a 3ghz c2d... is it to much? |
| [20:45:50] | cezium: | E8400 |
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| [20:46:52] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I'm not 100% certain, but I think last night's Mythweb updates may have broken preview generation in the flash player |
| [20:48:56] | janneg: | tested again, and I still see the banding and it is worser than remembered |
| [20:51:01] | gbee: | this is how all mpeg2 appears here – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/vdpau_mpeg2.png |
| [20:51:30] | GreyFoxx: | yeah mine looks just like that . sd and hd |
| [20:51:43] | iamlindoro_: | yar, same |
| [20:51:57] | janneg: | Chutt: please try http://www.grunau.be/mpeg2_banding.mpg |
| [20:51:58] | GreyFoxx: | and I see the same using the patched mplayer so it's not myth :) |
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| [20:53:17] | Chicago: | I want to add some buttons to Mythweb for VLC. This is to enable a multicast option for myth. Mythweb could introduce a button that says run this command 'vlc %s --sout '#transcode{fps=15,vb=2000,ab=128,acodec=mp3,vcodec=mp4v,width=320,height=240,de interlace}:duplicate{dst=std{access=http{mime=video/x-flv},mux=ffmpeg{mux=flv},d st=silverstone.localhost:8080/live,mux=ogg,name="Streaming Server"},dst=rtp{mux=ts,dst=239.255.12.42 |
| [20:53:17] | Chicago: | ,sap=true,name="TestStream",port=10000}' --ttl 1 --sout-ffmpeg-hurry-up --ffmpeg-hurry-up --no-drop-late-frames --rt-priority'. And then suddenly, any host on the same physical ethernet segment will be able to receive the stream. |
| [20:53:35] | iamlindoro_: | cezium: a 3.0 Ghz will be just about perfect for software decode of that material. There are new developments with GPU offload that will eventually make that spec processor less necessary-- but that's a good choice for what is stable today. |
| [20:53:59] | Chicago: | Sometimes I use %s with recordings, other times %s is for my v4l2 devices. |
| [20:55:12] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: or even threaded decoding improvements in ffmpeg (whatever happened to that?) |
| [20:55:18] | Chicago: | Anyways, The result of that VLC transcode works on my Pocket PC with TCPMP. If you have a Windows Mobile device and TCPMP, then you should be able to stream to your phone with it too. |
| [20:55:20] | cezium: | iamlindoro_ thank you. I just wanted to hear that I wasn't totaly off. |
| [20:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I hear the guy is still around but I haven't seen any public progress on it in a long time-- I think he has school commitments... maybe something over Christmas? |
| [20:56:07] | iamlindoro_: | cezium: Nope, you're not totally off. |
| [20:56:08] | iamlindoro_: | :) |
| [20:56:37] | cezium: | iamlindoro_: how much ram would be sufficent? |
| [20:56:52] | iamlindoro_: | cezium: 1 GB is fine, more doesn't hurt but isn't strictly necessary |
| [20:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | RAM is cheap |
| [20:57:09] | gbee: | cezium: we recommend a minimum of 2.5Ghz, but 3.0Ghz gives a margin of comfort, h.264 1080i playback is possible with 2.0Ghz but mkvs (pirates ahoy) are usually encoded with some funky options that can push up the requirements |
| [20:58:00] | gbee: | cezium: dedicated frontend, frontend/backend, or desktop with frontend? |
| [20:58:01] | cezium: | Then I feel happy with that I orderd :) |
| [20:58:09] | cezium: | frontend/backend |
| [20:59:49] | gbee: | 1Ghz should be ok, it's what's in my HD fe/be and 128Mb of that is used by the IGP |
| [21:00:02] | gbee: | 1Gb |
| [21:00:50] | gbee: | 2GB would not be enough for a combined fe/be, desktop development machine ... as I've found to my cost |
| [21:04:17] | sphery: | lol... Couldn't figure out why my tests were so slow with only some duplicate records. Turns out my dropping the table and restoring a copy from a temp table completely ignored rebuilding indices... |
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| [21:10:33] | iamlindoro_: | Ugh, Why oh WHY does my boss give my cell phone number out when filling out interest forms at software sites? |
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| [21:11:12] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Is this your personal cell phone? |
| [21:11:18] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [21:11:27] | GreyFoxx: | Then he needs a real smack down |
| [21:11:37] | Beakster: | Hi, Having some remote control issues. I have STOPPED lirc, but pressing buttons on the remote controls makes numbers appear in the local terminal, how is this possilbe? I believe its interfering with lirc |
| [21:11:40] | Dagmar: | If it *is* then I'd postulate you don't answer your personal cell phone in an "interesting" enough manner. |
| [21:12:13] | Dagmar: | Beakster: Either a) you didn't stop lircd, or b) you didn't stop lircd. |
| [21:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | Especially when they call asking for him... definitely confusing |
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| [21:13:01] | Dagmar: | ...or (very long odds) c) you have a not-so-common IR reciever that's using a kernel module that directly emulates button pressees. |
| [21:13:08] | iamlindoro_: | Beakster: or c) your remote has a HID input driver so it behaves like a keyboard |
| [21:13:25] | Beakster: | Dagmar, ps ax says no lirc running |
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| [21:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | Beakster: What remote/receiver? |
| [21:13:37] | Dagmar: | Then it's going to be c then isn't it. |
| [21:13:47] | Beakster: | iamlindoro_, that sounds like it, its a Haupaauge card |
| [21:13:55] | Beakster: | DVB |
| [21:14:11] | Beakster: | i guess i need to stop it so lirc can work properly? |
| [21:14:19] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, you'll need to use the /dev/input driver for lirc to get that working, but I know no more than that, I've never had that particular variety |
| [21:14:29] | iamlindoro_: | no need to stop it, lirc just needs to be told about it |
| [21:15:07] | Beakster: | ok, already set to use dev/input, i just need to get irw to work so i can see what keys are doing what |
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| [21:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | irw won't work until you have a correct lircd.conf |
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| [21:16:19] | iamlindoro_: | lircd.conf defines human readable names for remote hex codes, irw just tells you which of those you're pressing and uses lircd.conf as the info course |
| [21:16:26] | iamlindoro_: | er source |
| [21:16:56] | Beakster: | cool thanks. just reading some tutorials now. was just throwing me how it worked even though lirc was stopped |
| [21:17:06] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [21:22:10] | cezium: | gbee I orderd 4GB ram so it should be ok |
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| [21:29:08] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... Am I right to say that mythcommflag needs aspect ratio and resolution updates added to it? It seems that the aspect and resolution data in recordedmarkup will be stale after a lossless transcode. |
| [21:30:10] | gbee: | that's more than enough for a fe/be, only reason I need 4GB in my dev machine is because I'm running a full desktop (with the ever hungry kde 4) on top of a multi card backend and frontend |
| [21:30:42] | gbee: | kdevelop chews up memory for reasons I don't really understand |
| [21:31:10] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Huh? |
| [21:31:25] | Dagmar: | If it's a lossless transcode, how is the resolution or aspect going to change? |
| [21:31:32] | Dagmar: | Key word there being "lossless" |
| [21:31:52] | directhex: | god, tv is so full of crap :o |
| [21:31:54] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Myth trunk now keeps a running tally of aspect and resolution changes in recordedmarkup. This data will no longer be valid after a lossless transcode |
| [21:32:14] | iamlindoro_: | as the frame numbers will no longer map to the changes. |
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| [21:32:23] | Dagmar: | How can a lossless transcode change the aspect or res tho? |
| [21:32:42] | Dagmar: | I know the frame numbers need to be redone, to be sure |
| [21:33:26] | Dagmar: | ...or are you talking about the HD streams that can in theory change aspect, bit rates, and resolution, in mid-transmission (for commercials) |
| [21:33:35] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: The aspect and resolution can change in the course of a stream. These changes are recorded in recordedmarkup. If you cut out frames with a lossless transcode, some changes can disappear, and most if not all of them will change. Therefore, the information needs to be redone. |
| [21:33:50] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, I'm talking about digital (although not necessarily HD) streams |
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| [21:34:05] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: sorry, missed what you asked just now, yes, mythcommflag needs updating, possible mythtranscode too |
| [21:34:09] | Dagmar: | You might want to make sure to put a comment in there mentioning that |
| [21:34:49] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Figured-- maybe during buildindex? (although this would probably make buildindex take a lot longer) |
| [21:35:18] | Dagmar: | It seems like such a thing is liable to elude a lot of coders. Someone seeing it won't be so prone to saying "it can't change, what's this code doing here?" and more likely to remember that it can change should they encounter another place where it's not being handled correctly. |
| [21:35:33] | gbee: | not by much, probably wouldn't be a noticable change |
| [21:36:09] | directhex: | so much bad tv... and i have only a few meg of bandwidth before i need to pay another tenner |
| [21:36:54] | directhex: | hm... when did mr muscle stop being a wimp in a vest? |
| [21:37:03] | Dagmar: | directhex: it r becuz of teh evol torretnz! |
| [21:37:59] | directhex: | hm, this pissant little radiator doesn't do a very good job |
| [21:38:28] | laga: | directhex: water cooling? |
| [21:38:54] | Dagmar: | water heating. |
| [21:38:59] | directhex: | laga, hotel room! |
| [21:39:02] | laga: | ah. |
| [21:39:09] | laga: | paid for by the hour? |
| [21:39:24] | Dagmar: | Like those rooms would need to be heated |
| [21:39:42] | directhex: | heh |
| [21:39:44] | directhex: | just crap |
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| [21:43:48] | sphery: | is there some way to say to MySQL, "Hold of on updating indices until I'm done making changes"? |
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| [21:44:26] | gbee: | add 'please' |
| [21:44:33] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:44:44] | iamlindoro_: | HOLDYOURHORSES; |
| [21:45:06] | sphery: | think that's newer SQL than MySQL supports... Maybe SQL 2008. |
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| [21:49:24] | Dagmar: | There's the reason the COMMIT command exissts. |
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| [21:50:30] | directhex: | MySQL allows transactions? man, it's almost a grown-ups' DB now! ^_^ |
| [21:50:34] | sphery: | oh well, it's not that big a deal for this case. |
| [21:50:46] | sphery: | directhex: only with certain storage engines, IIRC |
| [21:53:11] | kkuno: | men |
| [21:53:21] | kkuno: | I can't set the wakeup alarm |
| [21:53:27] | kkuno: | im getting crazy |
| [21:53:55] | Dagmar: | Did you check the wiki? |
| [21:53:59] | kkuno: | in mythtv-setup I set in the wakeup command a simple script that write something to a file |
| [21:54:01] | kkuno: | yes |
| [21:54:29] | kkuno: | but that file is never written |
| [21:55:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Just got around to reading your reply. Nice. I completely agree. |
| [21:55:08] | kkuno: | so do I have to use mythwelcome or things like that? |
| [21:55:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: (that is the reply on nvnews) |
| [21:55:20] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Heh, good timing, was just pulling up that thread |
| [21:55:36] | sphery: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . 5&page=2 if you need it |
| [21:55:51] | iamlindoro_: | Naw, thanks :) |
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| [21:57:15] | wagnerrp: | someone asked on -users whether the beta nvidia drivers needed to be installed to use the vdpau patched in trunk |
| [21:57:43] | sphery: | ^^^ sure sign that person shouldn't be using trunk |
| [21:58:03] | iamlindoro_: | Did y'all catch the part where someone recommended a 6200 in the "Pre-built VDPAU" thread? |
| [21:58:10] | iamlindoro_: | "So you can use XvMc" |
| [21:58:12] | rlatta: | any thoughts on why certain avi files give the "Unable to get period size for playbac |
| [21:58:12] | rlatta: | k" error in the log with the internal player? Mplayer, Totem and Xine all play the file fine |
| [21:58:19] | Chutt: | iamlindoro, did you need to use 512MB for mpeg2 with mplayer? |
| [21:59:04] | iamlindoro_: | Chutt: Hmm, Good question, I can't recall whether I tried MPEG-2 before upping the shared memory-- I can crank it down again and try if you like (this evening) |
| [21:59:26] | iamlindoro_: | I definitely tried VC1 and h.264, and I *think* I tried MPEG-2 but I just can't recall |
| [21:59:29] | Chutt: | if you could |
| [21:59:30] | Chutt: | thanks |
| [21:59:33] | iamlindoro_: | no prob |
| [22:00:06] | kkuno: | does mythtv write the wakeup alarm only when the frontend is idle? |
| [22:00:11] | kkuno: | can I set it manually? |
| [22:00:43] | Chutt: | iamlindoro, with mplayer, not mythtv |
| [22:00:48] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [22:01:13] | iamlindoro_: | I head home in an hour or so, I'll get back to you in the next couple of hours |
| [22:01:19] | sphery: | kkuno: TTBOMK, myth won't allow a combined frontend/backend system to shut down if the frontend is running (which is the /whole/ reason for mythwelcome) |
| [22:01:54] | sphery: | kkuno: I think the above also applies to any backend (if any frontend is running, it won't allow the backend to shut down) |
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| [22:02:27] | sphery: | where "allow the backend to shutdown" means "unless you shut it down yourself--myth won't do it for you" |
| [22:03:44] | kkuno: | mm ok |
| [22:04:17] | kkuno: | sphery, I want to shut down the backend manually, but I don't know how to set the alarm time |
| [22:05:18] | kkuno: | uhm maybe if I set 1 sec idle time and I don't set any shut down commands |
| [22:08:38] | sphery: | why not just run mythwelcome and use mythshutdown? |
| [22:10:01] | Chicago: | kkuno: On gentoo we have a package called nvram-wakeup. I used it to wake the computer up a few minutes before the next scheduled recording. http://sourceforge.net/projects/nvram-wakeup |
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| [22:12:11] | rlatta: | Is there a more appropriate channel for me to ask for help on? |
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| [22:13:43] | Chicago: | rlatta: Does mplayer run the file? |
| [22:13:58] | rlatta: | chicago, yes mplayer, xine, totem...etc |
| [22:14:18] | rlatta: | Chicago: only problem with internal player on spdif out the audio is 24000 Hz |
| [22:14:20] | rlatta: | mp3 |
| [22:14:22] | Chicago: | rlatta: Then set mythvideo to use mplayer as an external script 'mplayer %s -fs' |
| [22:14:44] | Chicago: | or %FILE% maybe... something like that. |
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| [22:15:11] | rlatta: | Chicago: Thank you, I was hoping to use internal for some of its features. It has worked with internal before with no change I am aware of. |
| [22:15:54] | Chicago: | Although, you might want to use VLC as an external player because it can multicast the video on your nextwork. |
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| [22:17:01] | rlatta: | chicago: Thanks again. I will try it. Mplayer seems to launch very slowly on my system..I will try vlc |
| [22:17:15] | Chicago: | rlatta, nextwork is a Freudian slip. Your next work is to watch video multicast from VLC on your network. |
| [22:17:23] | Dagmar: | Um... why would the internal player be downsampling to 24Khz? |
| [22:17:50] | rlatta: | Dagmar: it is not, the original audio is 24k It is an old anime |
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| [22:17:58] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [22:18:23] | rlatta: | The strange thing is I watched them yesterday with no problem, it is a new problem with no updates |
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| [22:22:20] | sphery: | what is it they say about expecting different results from doing the same thing (without making any changes)? |
| [22:22:43] | iamlindoro_: | insaniteeeeeeeeeee |
| [22:23:18] | ** kormoc wonders who would actually attempt to use a full frontend on a ipod ** | |
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| [22:23:42] | kormoc: | I wonder why I even attempt to talk on that topic, they'll never actually get anywhere anyway |
| [22:24:00] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: is this on -users? |
| [22:24:11] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, -dev, the streaming thread |
| [22:24:16] | iamlindoro_: | ah |
| [22:24:20] | sphery: | kormoc: funny thing is the OP is being drowned out in the noise |
| [22:24:29] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:25:08] | kormoc: | my only real point was that streaming to the ipod/iphone wasn't going to be as easy as he thought, the rest of it is pure worthless noise |
| [22:25:48] | sphery: | Too bad... I was hoping he would actually do some of the work for live transcoding (just wanted him to get in touch with Captain_Murdoch to find status of/get preliminary copies of his relevant patches before he duplicated effort) |
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| [22:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Like your theory of "software decode > Hardware decode," I think that processors and storage space will rapidly make transcoding (besides lossless) pointless for all but the mobile users and the very cheap |
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| [22:27:58] | iamlindoro_: | I hate transcoding, disk space is way too cheap |
| [22:28:06] | sphery: | yep, I completely agre |
| [22:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | I don't mind cutting commercials, though |
| [22:28:10] | sphery: | and agree, even |
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| [22:29:07] | gbee: | I lossless transcode to remove ads, but I really don't see the advantage in transcoding to a another format, especially when that most often means a loss in quality |
| [22:29:16] | iamlindoro_: | When are grandchildren are running MythTV 1.0 on their holographic displays, clever will still be transcoding for his 486 |
| [22:29:23] | iamlindoro_: | er when our |
| [22:29:31] | sphery: | main reason I want it is because I /hate/ the proof-of-concept Flash stuff in MythWeb because people expect it to do great things that it can't really do until we have more infrastructure in the backend |
| [22:30:03] | iamlindoro_: | It always surprises me that so many people want to channel surf via the web (LiveTV) |
| [22:30:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: holographic is so 1990's... I'm sure they'll just plug in to a neural interface so they can experience TV directly. |
| [22:30:20] | xris: | sphery: people can't seem to read the message I put there about it. |
| [22:30:23] | gbee: | I hate it because it requires spawning ffmpeg instances that won't die etc |
| [22:30:36] | iamlindoro_: | xris: Perhaps they are colorblind and have no red cones to see it? |
| [22:30:45] | iamlindoro_: | It should be in flashing HTML 1.0 glory |
| [22:30:52] | sphery: | xris: yep, they have a knack of ignoring anything that says something they don't want to hear |
| [22:31:00] | Dagmar: | kill -VANHELSING psname |
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| [22:31:15] | iamlindoro_: | It should also do a ticker along the status bar every time you use the flash player |
| [22:31:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: why not insert it as a watermark in the video (well in flash above the video) :) |
| [22:31:36] | iamlindoro_: | Nice |
| [22:31:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: or have a flash sequence that shows an entertainment center exploding /before/ it starts playing the video. :) |
| [22:32:05] | iamlindoro_: | Then the question would be "How I can remove the watermark? And why I have no sound?: |
| [22:32:42] | Dagmar: | You have no sound because your spekaers blew up. |
| [22:32:50] | hachi: | I blew them up |
| [22:32:50] | Dagmar: | You can remove a watermark with mayonaise. |
| [22:32:54] | hachi: | (with my mind) |
| [22:33:15] | sphery: | or because Sisvel is trolling for MP2/MP3 patent royalties |
| [22:33:32] | gbee: | pubs must just have closed somewhere |
| [22:33:39] | iamlindoro_: | And EVERY LAST person who wants liveTV flash streaming is too lazy to do the workaround of "schedule recording, immediately watch." |
| [22:33:54] | sphery: | Dagmar: I find watermarks are difficult to remove from my laundry because I never know where to treat them since they're invisible |
| [22:34:01] | directhex: | sphery, imagine sisvel's swat teams storming free software conventions instead of just computex |
| [22:34:24] | Dagmar: | directhex: Imagine coders like me kicking people in the shins. ;) |
| [22:34:43] | sphery: | directhex: they got all MP* stuff removed from Openmoko's builds for the FreeRunner |
| [22:34:45] | gbee: | they'd be cutdown by the Jedi |
| [22:34:58] | directhex: | Dagmar, sisvel do it srsly. their copyright cops wear full-on riot gear for storming trade shows |
| [22:35:28] | laga: | directhex: are we talking about civilized countries? |
| [22:35:31] | Dagmar: | directhex: I react badly to bullying tactics from anyone. I cut cops a *little* slack because they have a hard job |
| [22:35:34] | gbee: | well strictly speaking they get real cops and/or customs officials, armed to the teeth |
| [22:35:45] | Dagmar: | ANyone not an actual cop had better be polite when they talk to me |
| [22:35:49] | directhex: | laga, germania! |
| [22:35:56] | laga: | directhex: cebit? |
| [22:36:04] | directhex: | sorry, yes, i meant cebit not computex |
| [22:36:05] | gbee: | laga: if you consider your native country to be civilised |
| [22:36:10] | directhex: | i'm easily confused :| |
| [22:36:18] | laga: | gbee, directhex: i guess that backfired on me. |
| [22:36:21] | Dagmar: | I'm not too convinced the US is all that civilized yet |
| [22:37:00] | gbee: | personally I think sending armed police to raid a trade show is gross overkill |
| [22:37:01] | Dagmar: | directhex: They need more people with poor impulse control staffing the con tables. ;) |
| [22:37:10] | sphery: | and becoming even less civilized as time goes by |
| [22:37:12] | Dagmar: | gbee: Oh and you'd be very right |
| [22:37:35] | Dagmar: | Someone could probably level at least one or two lawsuits on the basis of that |
| [22:37:54] | Dagmar: | There's no expectation that a bunch of trade show people are going to pull out assault rifles and start shooting |
| [22:38:11] | Dagmar: | ...nor do programmers and geeks typically riot (or walk briskly) without serious prompting. |
| [22:38:27] | kormoc: | I really hate the idea of live-tv and wish it didn't exist personally |
| [22:38:30] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [22:38:52] | Dagmar: | kormoc: The answer is simple... Kill your television. (w00t!) |
| [22:39:48] | sphery: | kormoc: we should change the menu entries to "Waste-Your-Life TV" |
| [22:40:12] | Dagmar: | Just a simple themeable screen that says "There's nothing on right now anyway" when you try to select liveTV |
| [22:41:43] | iamlindoro_: | Just change the menu theme |
| [22:41:51] | gbee: | sphery: you joke, but I don't think that's a bad idea |
| [22:42:01] | iamlindoro_: | Live TV becomes Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Live TV |
| [22:42:39] | iamlindoro_: | "There's still a jump point for it, if you need live TV that bad you can bind it on your remote or edit the menu theme" |
| [22:43:00] | Dagmar: | More buried than it usually is with the DVR theme wouldn't be a bad idea, except we'd need a bot in here to say where it is to every unrecognized user entering the channel |
| [22:43:24] | kkuno: | ok now the backend sets the alarm correcly, but if I cancel all recording scheduling, the backend doesn't delete the alarm, so the pc will wakeup.... |
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| [22:43:38] | Dagmar: | ...and then go back to sleep. |
| [22:43:58] | Dagmar: | Tell us, do you have a plan for changing the wakeup time of a sleeping computer? |
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| [22:44:24] | kkuno: | yes because it is set to the recording time which was deleted |
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| [22:44:32] | kkuno: | i.e. |
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| [22:44:38] | kkuno: | I set a recording at 16:00 |
| [22:44:47] | kkuno: | a cancel the recording |
| [22:44:58] | kkuno: | the alarm is set to 16:00 |
| [22:45:03] | kkuno: | the pc will wake up at 16:00 |
| [22:45:11] | Dagmar: | So when did the PC go to sleep? |
| [22:45:31] | kkuno: | when I tell him to go to sleep |
| [22:45:35] | kkuno: | with shutdown -h now |
| [22:45:43] | Dagmar: | Before or after you deleted the schedule |
| [22:45:50] | kkuno: | after |
| [22:45:57] | Dagmar: | File a bug report then |
| [22:46:14] | kkuno: | set the recording ---> cancel the recording ---> go to sleep |
| [22:46:26] | Dagmar: | So file a bug report. |
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| [22:46:47] | laga: | do you use mythwelcome? |
| [22:46:52] | kkuno: | no |
| [22:47:15] | kkuno: | I use the built in functions in mythtv-setup) |
| [22:47:47] | ** Dagmar pretends he didn't see that ** | |
| [22:48:17] | kkuno: | should I use mythwelcome? |
| [22:48:31] | kkuno: | I use the frontend only for watching recordings |
| [22:48:41] | kkuno: | I use xbmc for the other things |
| [22:48:59] | laga: | if it works for you now you probably don't need mythwelcome. it's just a frontend to things |
| [22:49:39] | kkuno: | yes it works, it would be great if the backend reset the alarm if no schedule is set |
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| [23:00:28] | sphery: | dynamic menus? |
| [23:00:57] | laga: | dynamic menus. |
| [23:01:52] | sphery: | I'm not a fan. Someone is proposing it for Myth. |
| [23:02:44] | iamlindoro_: | I can't even make his ticket make sense to me |
| [23:02:44] | kormoc: | I propose pie for every myth user in the world, so someone go bank roll that idea! |
| [23:02:57] | Dagmar: | Don't forget the punch. |
| [23:03:20] | directhex: | it'd be a good way to get users |
| [23:03:27] | directhex: | how about free hat? |
| [23:04:07] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [23:04:17] | iamlindoro_: | I'm hooked on Cake |
| [23:04:17] | justinh: | I dip in at the best times sometimes |
| [23:04:33] | justinh: | sphery: close it before anybody gets any ideas :) |
| [23:04:33] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, beware czech neck :| |
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| [23:04:49] | justinh: | also beware 'the spurt' |
| [23:04:51] | iamlindoro_: | It makes my Shatner's Bassoon feel soooooo good |
| [23:04:56] | justinh: | 'the spurt' kills! |
| [23:05:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, ahh, he just wants to be able to use a script to generate the menus every time the xml get parsed |
| [23:05:14] | laga: | iamlindoro_, sphery: what's the problem? |
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| [23:05:19] | laga: | it's a simple change |
| [23:05:33] | justinh: | can anybody spell infinite loop of auto-generated XML doom ? |
| [23:05:41] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Naw, I literally didn't understand what he was getting at, I wasn't even to the point of scorn yet :) |
| [23:05:51] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: thanks |
| [23:06:03] | kormoc: | laga, imho, it should require ` on both sides, so it's really like bash :) |
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| [23:07:14] | sphery: | laga: changing menus is just plain mean. A menu is meant as a way to navigate. If he wants additional stuff that changes, it should be in some sort of (real) code rather than EXEC hacks in menus. |
| [23:07:40] | sphery: | Menus should stay consistent so users can actually figure out where they're at and how to get back to where they want to be. |
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| [23:08:14] | kkuno: | ok seems that the "problem" affects also mythwelcome |
| [23:08:48] | sphery: | (and, yes, I hate the MS Office "let me make menus more confusing for you by shifting things around based on how often you've clicked the menu items"--let alone the previous "let me make the menus more confusing for you by hiding stuff that I don't think you want to see because you haven't used it in a while" implementation) |
| [23:09:11] | laga: | sphery: it's probably meant for things like mythappletrailers. |
| [23:09:27] | sphery: | yeah, which--IMHO--should be real code :) |
| [23:09:41] | laga: | heh |
| [23:10:36] | sphery: | the miscellaneous status info stuff is bad enough, and I feel guilty about some of the ways users could mess things up with it (but my consolation is that no one uses it and what we have now is better than the old libsensors code) |
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| [23:11:37] | kormoc: | laga, why would mythappletrailers use a script to populate menus vs using something like the recordings list style? |
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| [23:12:16] | sphery: | kormoc: exactly--it should be /real/ code :) |
| [23:12:23] | jams: | kormoc- because it's php code |
| [23:12:32] | sphery: | the guy who wrote the script just did a hack because he didn't want to do it right |
| [23:12:33] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [23:12:35] | jams: | it creates a menu entry that calls mplayer |
| [23:12:51] | kormoc: | and so there's a menu entry for every trailer on apple's site? |
| [23:12:55] | jams: | yep |
| [23:13:07] | ** kormoc winces ** | |
| [23:13:12] | laga: | haha |
| [23:13:14] | jams: | well maybe not every one, but it's painful |
| [23:13:26] | laga: | oh damn. it's so scary when my printer turns on at midnight to start cleaning |
| [23:13:28] | Chutt: | that's pretty broken |
| [23:13:38] | sphery: | and, really (though iamlindoro_ would know better than I), I'd bet the whole apple trailers thing could /easily/ be put into MythTube |
| [23:13:42] | Dagmar: | The real question is, can it take the Crown Of Thorns award away from MythStream? |
| [23:14:16] | sphery: | Dagmar: how long has MythStream been causing segfaults on some machines when exiting, now? :) |
| [23:14:34] | laga: | Dagmar: no. mythappletrailer is simple. it may be wrong, but the UI is easy to understand. |
| [23:14:44] | laga: | Dagmar: compare that to mythstream.. |
| [23:15:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: did you ever look at (or ask the "other dev" ;) about putting the Apple trailers into MythTube? |
| [23:15:35] | Dagmar: | sphery: At least segfaulting on exit means it exits. |
| [23:16:01] | Dagmar: | I have a much bigger problem with it jumping back to the screen you wanted to get to five clicks and twenty seconds ago after you've given up and tried to find an alternate route |
| [23:16:09] | sphery: | Dagmar: but it also takes out mythfrontend :) |
| [23:16:17] | Dagmar: | Wow I never had it do that |
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| [23:17:52] | sphery: | It did on one of 3 systems I had (2 were 32-bit systems using cloned filesystems, one was a 64-bit system and it segfaulted on one 32-bit system). I'm pretty sure it's a really weird race condition, but it was easier to just not use it than to fix it. :) |
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| [23:26:38] | directhex: | :| ferrero rocher advert... with no cheesy ambassadorial party :( |
| [23:27:56] | sphery: | mmmm... cheese /and/ ferrero rocher |
| [23:28:08] | ** sphery realizes he should probably go get dinner ** | |
| [23:28:15] | janneg: | Chutt: have you tried the mpeg2 sample I posted earlier |
| [23:29:52] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Sorry, was on my commute home-- yes, I looked at it a bit-- the MythTube RSS parser is pretty dumb and needs some improving, but it would be easily doable |
| [23:30:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: sweet... die, mythappletrailers, die! |
| [23:30:41] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I *do* think that Apple trailers would take a bit of special handling, though |
| [23:30:57] | iamlindoro__: | That said, it supports drop-in scripts and would be *easily* doable there |
| [23:31:06] | iamlindoro__: | without writing anything but perl, even |
| [23:31:22] | iamlindoro__: | and searchable at that |
| [23:31:22] | sphery: | janneg: In the update for the CHAR columns, I did not include a conversion to VARCHAR, but if you plan to do so, it would be the perfect time (and you have a nice list of the 4 tables with multi-character CHAR fields :) |
| [23:32:15] | jams: | iamlindoro- maybe write a perl wrapper around the php |
| [23:32:25] | gbee: | heh, just found a £10 note in among some old paperwork, nice suprise |
| [23:32:26] | Dagmar: | Oh shoot the PHP and write it in perl |
| [23:32:46] | directhex: | shoot the perl and write it in c#! |
| [23:32:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: cool. I still haven't seen anything showing TOS for the Apple RSS feed, but people keep saying use like that is allowed |
| [23:33:07] | iamlindoro__: | I myself would prefer just writing a tiny bit of special case handling for the apple trailers and adding their RSS feed as a podcast |
| [23:33:13] | gbee: | eww, C# |
| [23:33:38] | gbee: | iamlindoro__ |
| [23:34:08] | gbee: | abstract it with scripts, ala mythweather, xmltv, mythvideo |
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| [23:34:27] | directhex: | balls to it. bedtime. |
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| [23:34:46] | gbee: | one plugin with grab/abstraction scripts for apple, youtube, <insert name of site here> |
| [23:34:49] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Already doable there-- MythTube really has a podcast component and a searchable drop-in script component, and both are easily doable I should think |
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| [23:35:42] | sphery: | funny how iamlindoro__ has become the de-facto dev for MythTube :) |
| [23:35:47] | iamlindoro__: | Naw |
| [23:35:50] | gbee: | cool, I haven't been following a word that was said here in the last 30 minutes, so maybe it's already come up |
| [23:35:57] | jams: | sphery- i was just thinking that very same thing |
| [23:36:10] | iamlindoro__: | Maybe de facto bug fixer, but there's lots of it I don't understand |
| [23:36:13] | sphery: | and yet he still claims to be "not a dev" |
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| [23:36:28] | iamlindoro__: | I'm *definitely* not that, I'm too embarassed by all my "code" to ever claim that |
| [23:36:38] | sphery: | "I'm sure I failed that test." "Oh, I got an A+. Cool." |
| [23:37:03] | iamlindoro__: | :P |
| [23:37:58] | Dagmar: | Curve grading is cool like that. |
| [23:38:11] | Dagmar: | Just don't let on what you think of the people who didn't get the A+ |
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| [23:39:25] | iamlindoro__: | As I know neither php nor perl my attempt at a apple trailer script for mythtube would be a sight to behold :) |
| [23:40:01] | Dagmar: | Hey if you can make it work, I'll clean it up (in perl) |
| [23:40:15] | sphery: | kormoc: BTW, thanks a lot for the help with the MySQL for the people-fixing patch. It turned out it was pulling the name out of the DB that was causing issues (since it's actually corrupt UTF-8 from the old pre-Qt4/pre-UTF-8 code). So, I used your query as an example for creating mine. (I didn't use your exact query because the whole join thing was hurting my brain when trying to figure out has-dup/no-dup/has-multiple-dups ... |
| [23:40:22] | sphery: | ... cases.) |
| [23:40:36] | kormoc: | slick :) |
| [23:40:46] | iamlindoro__: | oh, gotta reboot and crank down the video mem |
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| [23:50:14] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, that was blowing my mind, "Why is VDPAU working all the sudden on all these files at 256 MB??" Oh, change didn't take. |
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| [23:51:08] | GreyFoxx: | iam: Mark K's patch in ticket 5951 fixes the clipping in zoom modes and the clipped OSD |
| [23:51:45] | GreyFoxx: | works for me at least :) |
| [23:52:06] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, saw that one, can't say I noticed it in the first place, though |
| [23:52:31] | iamlindoro: | That guy has really taken one for the team on the VDPAU stuff |
| [23:52:33] | GreyFoxx: | For me the OSD was clipped at the edge of the "video" window. |
| [23:52:38] | GreyFoxx: | yeah a great job |
| [23:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | the stuff is falling into play pretty quick |
| [23:52:53] | GreyFoxx: | into place I meant |
| [23:53:14] | kormoc: | so... does anyone know off hand if I'm just blind to how to grab a frame from vdpau? |
| [23:53:17] | GreyFoxx: | Once the Mpeg2 stuff gets fixed/worked out I'll likely make this my default |
| [23:53:22] | iamlindoro: | oh, maybe I did see that, only a few pixels at the bottom, right? |
| [23:53:35] | GreyFoxx: | korm: gbee: Apparently did his wiht ksnapshot\ |
| [23:53:46] | GreyFoxx: | I know import whcih I use for normal screenshots wont do it |
| [23:53:59] | gbee: | kormoc: screenshot, or grabbing a decoded from using the API ? |
| [23:54:08] | gbee: | frame |
| [23:54:19] | kormoc: | decoded for the dynamic zoom patches :) |
| [23:54:48] | gbee: | kormoc: it's there, found it the first time I looked at the header |
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| [23:55:40] | kormoc: | ahh, okay, I only glanced at the stuff and nothing stuck out |
| [23:55:59] | kormoc: | that whole rabbit hole is gonna be fun! |
| [23:56:40] | Dagmar: | There's a new euphemism |
| [23:57:08] | kormoc: | Dagmar, don't you know? I don't speak English, I mangle it! |
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| [23:58:38] | gbee: | kormoc: VdpOutputSurfaceGetBitsNative ? |
| [23:59:17] | gbee: | "Copy image data from a VdpOutputSurface to application memory in the surface's native format." |
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