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| [00:09:53] | SirFunk: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5923 nuvexport broken :( |
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| [00:28:18] | ericrost: | I'm getting the follwing error when trying to follow the guide here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:MySQL for access denied |
| [00:28:36] | ericrost: | ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist |
| [00:28:49] | ericrost: | I know nothing about mysql, any help would be appreciated |
| [00:29:21] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, that is *not* a good error. Implies your database is missing (or at least very badly broken) |
| [00:29:25] | ericrost: | I had a working system, the backend froze up, when I rebooted (combined system) the backend won't start back up and can't open the db |
| [00:29:32] | ericrost: | I can get to the db and check it |
| [00:29:32] | iamlindoro__: | run this command and use pastebin to share the output: |
| [00:29:37] | ericrost: | kk |
| [00:29:41] | iamlindoro__: | mysqlcheck -u root mythconverg |
| [00:30:15] | ericrost: | all OK's |
| [00:30:33] | ericrost: | no mythconverg.user in the list |
| [00:31:11] | ericrost: | http://pastebin.com/m30e84430 |
| [00:31:24] | iamlindoro__: | actually, that's correct, there shouldn't be |
| [00:31:32] | iamlindoro__: | That's... odd |
| [00:32:03] | iamlindoro__: | run: |
| [00:32:06] | iamlindoro__: | killall mythbackend |
| [00:32:19] | iamlindoro__: | then run mythbackend (on the command line) and pastebin the output |
| [00:32:45] | ericrost: | as which user? root? |
| [00:32:53] | flynch1: | anyone capturing MPEG-4 over DVB-T? |
| [00:33:21] | iamlindoro__: | ericrost, Whomever normal runs mythbackend, root would probably be wrong for mythbuntu-- the mythtv user or your frontend user should be fine |
| [00:33:31] | ericrost: | all the mysql.txt's were blank fyi |
| [00:33:37] | flynch1: | I'm looking for a recommendation on a DVB capture card / usb stick. |
| [00:33:43] | iamlindoro__: | Myth no longer uses mysql.txt, it uses config.xml |
| [00:33:49] | ericrost: | kk |
| [00:34:04] | iamlindoro__: | flynch1, The card has nothing to do with the codec, you don't need a special card for MPEG-4 |
| [00:34:22] | iamlindoro__: | If they do h.264 via DVB-T where you live, any DVB-T card will be fine |
| [00:34:22] | ericrost: | http://pastebin.com/m61a8a2a9 |
| [00:34:53] | flynch1: | iamlindoro__: awesome, delighted to hear that... had seen mpeg-2 listed on some cards then no mention of codecs on others so I wasn't sure. |
| [00:35:18] | iamlindoro__: | ericrost, in the user you are using to try to run mythbackend, do you have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml file? |
| [00:35:31] | iamlindoro__: | flynch1, yep, the cards themselves are pretty codec agnostic |
| [00:35:54] | ericrost: | nope |
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| [00:36:33] | iamlindoro__: | ericrost, okay... no idea how you lost both the mysql.txt and config.xml files, but you'll need to find one. run sudo updatedb && locate config.xml |
| [00:36:46] | iamlindoro__: | there may be one in /etc/mythtv or similar |
| [00:36:50] | flynch1: | iamlindoro__: cool. I've got a one shot deal of setting up a myth server in ireland over xmas and am getting my hardware order in now... appreciate your help :) |
| [00:37:27] | iamlindoro__: | flynch1, no problem, the Hauppauge DVB-T sticks work well, I believe, and there are a few terratec as well-- check the DVB wiki at linuxtv.org |
| [00:37:54] | flynch1: | iamlindoro__: will do, cheers. |
| [00:38:00] | iamlindoro__: | good luck |
| [00:38:44] | ericrost: | moved it from /root/.mythtv and chown'd it |
| [00:39:11] | ericrost: | still same output |
| [00:39:17] | iamlindoro__: | That's not what I asked you to do |
| [00:39:28] | iamlindoro__: | Please don't make up steps |
| [00:39:33] | ericrost: | sorry |
| [00:39:50] | iamlindoro__: | look at the file and find the DBusername and DBPassword |
| [00:40:03] | ericrost: | mythtv and the password I expected |
| [00:40:07] | iamlindoro__: | then run mysql -u DBusername mythconverg |
| [00:40:12] | iamlindoro__: | and insert the password when asked |
| [00:40:16] | iamlindoro__: | er sorry |
| [00:40:22] | iamlindoro__: | mysql -u DBusername -p mythconverg |
| [00:40:27] | ericrost: | ok |
| [00:40:29] | iamlindoro__: | and enter psswd when prompted |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro__: | Tell me if you get a prompt or it fails |
| [00:41:02] | ericrost: | sub my actual username or enter DBusername? |
| [00:41:18] | iamlindoro__: | insert the dbusername from config.xml |
| [00:41:25] | iamlindoro__: | likely "mythtv" |
| [00:41:29] | ericrost: | kk |
| [00:41:42] | ericrost: | "enter password" |
| [00:41:58] | iamlindoro__: | so do so |
| [00:42:02] | iamlindoro__: | like I said... |
| [00:42:07] | ericrost: | access denied |
| [00:42:39] | ericrost: | output: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| [00:43:00] | iamlindoro__: | Then you've borked your mysql permissions somehow. I'd seek help in #ubuntu-mythtv, they do bizarre stuff with their packages and they'd know best how to reset your mysql passwords |
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| [00:43:22] | iamlindoro__: | likely either "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common" or "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server" |
| [00:43:28] | iamlindoro__: | But ask them, they're the packagers |
| [00:47:43] | Dagmar: | `dpkg-multilate glibc` |
| [00:55:06] | iamlindoro__: | Pretty sure the command to fix mysql is apt-get moo |
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| [03:46:04] | cheeseboy: | mythtv has thing to cut commercials right? |
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| [04:11:33] | wagnerrp: | cheeseboy: short answer, yes |
| [04:12:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will (by default) automatically comm-flag all recordings, excluding livetv |
| [04:12:19] | wagnerrp: | this just tags the time codes where the commercials are |
| [04:12:51] | wagnerrp: | you can completely ignore them, get an on-screen notification that there is a commercial (at which point you hit 'next' and skip it), or just automatically skip them |
| [04:13:27] | cheeseboy: | well I have 2 questions |
| [04:13:32] | wagnerrp: | but if you want to actually remove recordings, you have to edit the recordings, load the flags list, make sure everything is correct, generate a cutlist, and then transcode it |
| [04:13:40] | cheeseboy: | how accurate is it? |
| [04:13:52] | wagnerrp: | sometimes, perfect |
| [04:13:59] | wagnerrp: | sometimes, horrible |
| [04:14:00] | cheeseboy: | and can i use it as stand alone outside mythtv ? |
| [04:14:08] | wagnerrp: | but it usually does a fairly good job |
| [04:14:22] | wagnerrp: | kindof... |
| [04:14:36] | wagnerrp: | it already runs as an external program outside mythtv |
| [04:14:46] | wagnerrp: | but it interfaces with the mysql database |
| [04:15:38] | wagnerrp: | you can manually run a comm-flag, and then use the same program to pull the flags list out of the database |
| [04:15:53] | wagnerrp: | but it requires that database |
| [04:16:05] | wagnerrp: | and it requires that you are commflagging something recorded by mythtv |
| [04:16:16] | wagnerrp: | anything else, and youll have to do some code hacking |
| [04:18:30] | n00dle: | Hiya... relatively new to mythtv, so forgive any obvious bungles... I've just set up a machine with mythbuntu, combo front end and master back end, and aside from ironing out my sound driver issues, it's working great. |
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| [04:19:36] | n00dle: | ...my question is, how do I get the remote front-end to work correctly with the backend? It speaks mysql across the network just fine, but when I go into the media library menu, all I see is "recordings", no music, pictures or video options even on the menu. |
| [04:20:00] | n00dle: | Log output doesn't suggest anything except for lirc failure (not an issue as there is no remote). |
| [04:20:09] | wagnerrp: | music, pictures, and video are not part of mythtv |
| [04:20:16] | wagnerrp: | they are plugins |
| [04:20:27] | n00dle: | Ah... that's the obvious bungle. :D |
| [04:20:30] | wagnerrp: | apparently however you set up the remote frontend, the plugins were not installed |
| [04:20:51] | n00dle: | Thanks, I'll start looking for dox on how to add them. |
| [04:23:53] | iamlindoro__: | Also keep in mind that you cannot stream those things from frontend to backend, and that you must network mount them in IDENTICAL paths as they are on the other machine |
| [04:24:22] | iamlindoro__: | So if on the working machine they are at /media/filthyporno, you need to share them out and network mount them at /media/filthyporno on the other frontend |
| [04:24:56] | n00dle: | I got that part... I'm mounting things via NFS in identical paths already. :D |
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| [04:30:13] | wagnerrp: | i seem to have a knack for causing people to want to prove themselves in a car |
| [04:30:51] | wagnerrp: | i was driving home half an hour ago |
| [04:31:14] | wagnerrp: | coast to the back of somebody on a ramp going 10mph under |
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| [04:31:31] | wagnerrp: | as soon as a lane opens up, i cut right and take off |
| [04:31:53] | wagnerrp: | guy feels compelled to keep pace with me, swerving all over the road in the process |
| [04:32:18] | wagnerrp: | and then slows down to pace another car in front of me and box me in |
| [04:32:41] | wagnerrp: | i never did anything to this guy |
| [04:33:05] | wagnerrp: | i was behind him for all of about 5 seconds before changing lanes |
| [04:33:09] | n00dle: | Maybe he perceived your maneuver as an affront to his manhood. |
| [04:34:18] | wagnerrp: | well his manhood should be in question, he had a caddy with a massive engine, and he was barely maintaining control with even modest acceleration |
| [04:36:04] | n00dle: | Overcompensation plus inferiority complex. Heh. |
| [04:36:10] | n00dle: | ...and lack of ability. |
| [04:36:31] | n00dle: | FYI: Everything is working now, thanks tons. (I seem to always miss the obvious!) |
| [04:37:26] | wagnerrp: | was it the mythbuntu install that was lacking those things? |
| [04:37:41] | wagnerrp: | i figured that would have everything included by default |
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| [04:38:40] | n00dle: | No, the mythbuntu combo-master-backend-frontend machine had it all, which made me curious to why the frontend I added to my laptop didn't have the same menus. |
| [04:38:50] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:39:11] | wagnerrp: | well most HTPC software has such ability included by default |
| [04:39:12] | ** n00dle notes that his laptop is ubuntu 8.04 desktop to start. ** | |
| [04:39:48] | wagnerrp: | only makes, sense to someone who doesnt know better, that mythtv would as well |
| [04:40:17] | wagnerrp: | but basically, mythtv is for tv recording, and anything beyond that is relegated to plugins |
| [04:40:42] | n00dle: | Like I said, just beginning at mythtv. Really awesome stuff, though. Now to get it hooked up to my satellite receiver and stop cursing dish network's retarded DVR limitations. |
| [04:42:01] | n00dle: | Ok, I'm off to play some more. Thanks again. :) |
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| [04:53:03] | Lexridge: | hi wagnerrp: question for you. If I get an HDPVR on my backend....where does the main CPU horsepower need to be....both, backend, or frontend? |
| [04:53:32] | wagnerrp: | frontend, unless you want to transcode, in which case the backend too |
| [04:54:08] | wagnerrp: | of course you HAVE to use trunk, in which case you can play with the VDPAU stuff, meaning you need next to no power in the frontend |
| [04:54:47] | Lexridge: | I don't think I want to transcode, and if I did, it would happen on my frontend. My backend has a 2.0 ghz Athlon 64, while my frontend has a x2 4200. |
| [04:56:21] | Lexridge: | I've heard about the VDPAU stuff. Not familar with it however. Sounds like it's happening stuff! :) |
| [04:57:51] | Lexridge: | I would like to update early next year to a quad core athlon on my frontend. The backend will probably not change for a while. |
| [04:58:34] | Lexridge: | except for maybe moving this X2 into the backend, of course |
| [04:58:47] | wagnerrp: | hopefully those are both AM2 boards? |
| [04:59:11] | Lexridge: | no...both are 939s. I would do an AM2 upgrade on my frontend however. |
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| [04:59:36] | wagnerrp: | there is almost no use for a quad-core on a frontend |
| [04:59:58] | wagnerrp: | its really only of worth if you want to play back blu-ray |
| [05:00:06] | Lexridge: | Well, it's not a dedicated frontend by any means. This is also a multitrack audio recorder, as well as a multi use machine |
| [05:00:42] | Lexridge: | I just use the video out to drive my tv mainly and use the computer monitor for general use. |
| [05:01:21] | Lexridge: | I don't have any bluray stuff to date. Soon, hopefully. |
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| [05:01:36] | Lexridge: | still awaiting the price drops ;) |
| [05:02:51] | Lexridge: | However, I figure the quad core will come in really handy with multiple plugins while using Ardour, at 24/96. |
| [05:04:18] | jpabq: | another reason for a higher-power backend with the hd-pvr, is commercial flagging. |
| [05:04:49] | Lexridge: | jpabq: this is true. :/ |
| [05:05:14] | jpabq: | All depends on if you want it done in "real time". |
| [05:05:50] | Lexridge: | jpabq: would not a x2 4200 not handle this? No, I guess real time doesn't matter, as I usually watch recorded material days after it's recorded. |
| [05:06:18] | wagnerrp: | not in real time, but yes, it could do comm-flagging |
| [05:06:37] | Lexridge: | okay, that would be good enough for now. |
| [05:07:00] | wagnerrp: | that chip would manage maybe 1/2–2/3 realtime on the highest bitrate from the HD-PVR |
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| [05:07:19] | Lexridge: | heck, that's not bad at all! |
| [05:07:25] | wagnerrp: | you should manage realtime on 480p stuff |
| [05:07:36] | Lexridge: | that's awesome! |
| [05:08:00] | Lexridge: | I didn't even realize myth did it's commercial flagging in real time. Nice to know! |
| [05:08:10] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: any idea if the comm-flagger is multithreaded? |
| [05:08:35] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: if you set up a recording, and the job-queue is empty, it will start comm-flagging as soon as the recording starts |
| [05:08:57] | hads: | Multi process |
| [05:09:24] | Lexridge: | Now, flagging is not deleting, right? When it does delete, does it re-render, or cut out and append? |
| [05:09:25] | hads: | And there's a setting to enable commflagging on in progress recordings. |
| [05:09:45] | jpabq: | Not yet. Since it is single-sliced, it is hard to thread. Iff ffmpeg ever gets single slice working on multiple threads, then myth will have it. |
| [05:10:15] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: well you could have one thread be a decoder, and hand off raw images to another thread that analyzes it |
| [05:10:39] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, has worked on a "lossless" cutter for the H.264 stuff, but it still does not work perfect. |
| [05:10:44] | wagnerrp: | a bit of shared memory magic, and it *should* be fairly simple to implement |
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| [05:11:12] | jpabq: | wagnerrp, true. Janneg has also talked about moving the deinterlacer into it's own thread. Now that VDPAU is here, I doubt he will bother. |
| [05:11:50] | Lexridge: | what does VDPAU stand for? |
| [05:12:36] | wagnerrp: | Video Decode and Presentation Api for Unix |
| [05:12:53] | Lexridge: | and this is only for nvidia cards, correct? |
| [05:12:58] | hads: | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=VDPAU :) |
| [05:13:12] | wagnerrp: | only for VP2/3 cards |
| [05:13:14] | jpabq: | >=8000 series nVidia |
| [05:13:33] | wagnerrp: | jpabq: the original 8000 series chips are only VP1 and are insufficient |
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| [05:13:44] | kormoc: | 8400+ |
| [05:14:09] | jpabq: | My new motherboard will have a 9400 on it. iamlindoro__ says it works |
| [05:14:12] | Lexridge: | oh, really new stuff. So now I need a new to replace this old 6800 card too. Figures. However, I love new equipment. ;) |
| [05:14:28] | wagnerrp: | the 9400 may have VC-1 support |
| [05:14:43] | wagnerrp: | i believe it is VP3, but its not listed in the driver as supporting it |
| [05:14:59] | jpabq: | Lexridge, I needed another video card. Decided to get this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16813128363 |
| [05:15:27] | wagnerrp: | needs moar usb |
| [05:15:38] | jpabq: | Not for a frontend... |
| [05:15:54] | wagnerrp: | only 6 ports |
| [05:16:10] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__ has this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16813131348 |
| [05:16:29] | Lexridge: | jpabq: nice price, and this MP supports VP2/3? |
| [05:16:33] | jpabq: | I only use 1 usb on my current frontend --- wireless keyboard/mouse |
| [05:16:55] | jpabq: | wagnerrp knows more about that, than I do. |
| [05:16:58] | wagnerrp: | im joking, i use all of none |
| [05:17:10] | Lexridge: | jpabq: nice price, and this MB (that is) supports VP2/3? |
| [05:17:26] | wagnerrp: | well i do use one for a wireless gamepad for mythgame, that i have not bothered to set up again since the last reinstall |
| [05:17:33] | jpabq: | It supports VDPAU. |
| [05:17:46] | Lexridge: | Well, that would be enough then :) |
| [05:17:52] | Lexridge: | thanks for the tip/link |
| [05:18:10] | wagnerrp: | is that a displayport connector on the asus? |
| [05:18:32] | Lexridge: | jpabq: I'm presently using Gigabyte MBs. Like them a lot. |
| [05:18:34] | jpabq: | Asus has display port, but lacks firewire. Gigabyte has firewire, but lacks displayport |
| [05:19:08] | wagnerrp: | huh.. ive not yet before seen hardware with a DP output |
| [05:19:47] | jpabq: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . Force%209000 |
| [05:19:47] | wagnerrp: | four total outputs, i presume only two can be used at a time? |
| [05:20:12] | jpabq: | Only 1 "digital" can be used at a time. Can be combined with an analog, though. |
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| [05:21:29] | Lexridge: | jpabq: Strange, the specs claim no onboard video, but yet I clearly see a VGA and DVI connector on the back. |
| [05:21:51] | jpabq: | All of the nVidia 9300 & 9400 chipset motherboards have integrated video |
| [05:22:12] | Lexridge: | oh, must just be a misprint then |
| [05:22:48] | Lexridge: | yea, cause on down the list it mentions the video connectors. doh! |
| [05:22:50] | jpabq: | It has been determined that the current version of VDPAU requires a minimum of 512mb video memory to work. |
| [05:23:04] | Lexridge: | wow! |
| [05:23:37] | jpabq: | The 9300 & 9400 boards max out at 512mb video memory (shared with system memory). So, it works, but just. |
| [05:23:42] | Lexridge: | how much memory is assignable to the built in gfx controller? 512MB? |
| [05:24:32] | jpabq: | Still like the solution better than needing a separate video card. |
| [05:25:16] | jpabq: | I mostly point that out, so indicate that you should put at least 2gb on the motherboard. Of course, memory is cheap these days. |
| [05:25:58] | Lexridge: | yea, four GB is normal for me.....and a kernel re-compile to support it. |
| [05:26:25] | wagnerrp: | why would you need to recompile your kernel to support 4GB? |
| [05:26:45] | jpabq: | would only need to do that if you are running a 32bit kernel..... |
| [05:27:07] | Lexridge: | all my 4gb machines only recognize something like 3.1 unless I change the memory in the kernel. Dunno why, but that is what I have experienced. |
| [05:27:10] | wagnerrp: | well you shouldnt even need that for a 32-bit kernel |
| [05:27:19] | Lexridge: | yes, I run 32 bit kernels |
| [05:27:22] | wagnerrp: | it should just do the standard 3/1 split and be done with it |
| [05:27:48] | jpabq: | What is that option called? pae or something |
| [05:28:09] | wagnerrp: | PAE is to allow more than 4GB |
| [05:28:14] | Lexridge: | I wish it did, but my linux friends that live close have to do the same thing in order for it to see all 4gb. |
| [05:28:24] | wagnerrp: | allows you to flip between multiple pages in memory |
| [05:28:50] | wagnerrp: | rather im wondering why youre sticking to 32-bit kernels |
| [05:29:33] | Lexridge: | humm, probably a good question.. I just didn't think the support was all there yet for 64bit kernels.....or, old habits die hard. ;) |
| [05:30:09] | wagnerrp: | its been there for a couple years now |
| [05:30:22] | bomama: | jpabq: running on board video is singularly poor idea |
| [05:30:23] | wagnerrp: | there were a couple program i used that would not compile, but theyve all been updated long ago |
| [05:30:25] | jpabq: | Only issue with 64bit, is mmx support. Apps that use mmx instead of sse can be slower than their 32bit version. |
| [05:30:53] | wagnerrp: | even 64-bit windows is mainstream now |
| [05:31:01] | Lexridge: | Well, I'm planning a Fedora 10 update here within the next few weeks. Perhaps 64bit would be the best decision. |
| [05:31:19] | jpabq: | bomama, in the past I would agree with you. These new nVidia chipsets are changing that story, though. |
| [05:31:46] | Lexridge: | How usable is KDE4 these days (since it's now part of F10)? |
| [05:32:06] | jpabq: | bomama, I still would not choose integrated graphics on a workstation, but should be perfect for a mythfrontend. |
| [05:33:15] | jpabq: | Lexridge, just installed F10 with KDE today. Have not had a chance to learn the differences from KDE3 yet. Looks pretty, though. |
| [05:33:17] | bomama: | no, for mfe it's a bad deal |
| [05:34:00] | jpabq: | bomama, you have had bad luck with a 9300 or 9400 motherboard? |
| [05:34:12] | Lexridge: | jpabq: It does look pretty. I did install the 32bit version under VirtualBox just to play with it, but have honestly not had time to spend a lot of time with it. |
| [05:34:18] | bomama: | no, 8xxx mobo |
| [05:34:57] | jpabq: | gbee has been complaining about his 8xxx motherboard. iamlindoro__ has been pretty happy with his 9xxx motherboard, though. |
| [05:36:38] | jpabq: | My 9400 motherboard will be delivered on Monday. Probably won't have a chance to put it together until next weekend, though. |
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| [06:20:39] | Der_Thomas: | hey, anyone around that used a firewire STB in myth? |
| [06:21:36] | Der_Thomas: | after a few days of trying to figure out why plugreport would fail, I figures out that my STB has its 1394 ports disabled |
| [06:22:05] | wagnerrp: | if the STB is disabled, you need to be bitching at your cableco |
| [06:22:12] | Der_Thomas: | I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to enable them – short of calling my cableco |
| [06:22:31] | iamlindoro: | No, there is not. |
| [06:23:01] | Der_Thomas: | this stuff drives me crazy, totally illegal, but since no one knows this stuff, the cable co gets away with it |
| [06:23:29] | wagnerrp: | did you ask for a cable box with functional firewire? or does your box just happen to have a port? |
| [06:24:06] | Der_Thomas: | haha – I asked for a cable box with firewire ports and the person looked at me like I was from mars |
| [06:24:23] | Der_Thomas: | she showed me the 2 boxes she had – one a reg STB and one was a DVR |
| [06:24:40] | Der_Thomas: | the std is a SA 4250 and it has 1394 ports on it |
| [06:25:14] | Der_Thomas: | so I guess I figured that I was good |
| [06:25:40] | Der_Thomas: | anyone ever have good luck calling the cableco? |
| [06:26:14] | wagnerrp: | i would imaging the first level techs will be clueless |
| [06:29:13] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I'm sure – this really stinks – I totally wasted my money on a 1394 card. Albeit $20 with a calbe, still a waste |
| [06:29:27] | Der_Thomas: | guess I'll try trudging through layers of techs |
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| [06:32:37] | CaptObviousman: | greetings |
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| [07:00:07] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: I've used a stb b4 |
| [07:00:32] | bomama: | bomama: firewire, that is |
| [07:01:48] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: you know there is a diagnostic screen on the STB that will tell you if firewire ports are activated, right? |
| [07:02:13] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: simple sanity check |
| [07:02:14] | Der_Thomas: | bomama, yeah mine are not |
| [07:02:19] | Der_Thomas: | thanks though |
| [07:02:38] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: which cableco and where? |
| [07:03:18] | Der_Thomas: | time warner |
| [07:03:31] | bomama: | where? |
| [07:03:33] | Der_Thomas: | I'm actually talking to a rep right now, no idea what I'm talking about |
| [07:03:38] | Der_Thomas: | Buffalo, NY |
| [07:03:39] | bomama: | lol |
| [07:03:59] | Der_Thomas: | I'm in the windwos only (work laptop) live chat lol |
| [07:04:17] | Der_Thomas: | do you believe you need active X to chat – WTF! |
| [07:04:26] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: you might want to link him with FCC :) |
| [07:05:08] | Der_Thomas: | well the guy actually knows what I want, but is just telling me to go to my local store |
| [07:05:17] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: the part able cable co must provide STB with active firewire ports on request by customer |
| [07:05:26] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: wtf??? |
| [07:05:33] | Der_Thomas: | well that is where they had the non-funtional one |
| [07:05:58] | Der_Thomas: | lol |
| [07:06:19] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: you get the STB from the "local" cable store |
| [07:06:35] | bomama: | or office |
| [07:06:36] | Der_Thomas: | the 1–800 number told me to go to the store, the store thought I was from Mars, and now the chat says to go to the store |
| [07:06:52] | Der_Thomas: | yeah it is an office, they call it a store |
| [07:07:02] | bomama: | the local cable co is correct place to go |
| [07:07:39] | bomama: | you just have to make sure you talk w/ someone knowledgeable there |
| [07:07:54] | bomama: | (at the local cableco office, that is) |
| [07:07:55] | Der_Thomas: | yeah well the f-ing dumb ass never heard of firewire or IEEE1394 so they just showed me the 2 boxes they had |
| [07:08:14] | wagnerrp: | should have asked if they have an ipod |
| [07:08:17] | Der_Thomas: | one STD, one DVR, the STB has 2 ports labeled 1394 so I thought IU was good |
| [07:08:26] | Der_Thomas: | ops IU – I |
| [07:08:32] | Der_Thomas: | ops IU = I |
| [07:08:49] | Der_Thomas: | apparently they are deactivated in the software |
| [07:09:07] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: yup. someone local needs to turn it on |
| [07:10:10] | Der_Thomas: | yeah – knowing is half the battle! |
| [07:10:11] | Der_Thomas: | lol |
| [07:11:11] | bomama: | tell the cable co live chat guy to get in touch with your local cableco and help you out |
| [07:11:35] | Der_Thomas: | he is escalating this to a higher tech |
| [07:11:39] | bomama: | explain to him you went to the local office |
| [07:11:54] | wagnerrp: | if the hardware exists, but is deactivated |
| [07:12:01] | wagnerrp: | they should be able to activate it remotely |
| [07:12:07] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: yeah, that's pretty much all you need |
| [07:12:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they would have to be local to do that |
| [07:13:13] | bomama: | cause the local franchise needs to make sure it works |
| [07:13:53] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, I just asked him that – no clue. Maybe I'll have better luck with a higher level tech |
| [07:14:00] | bomama: | any one remote may be able to turn it on, but make sure it works is another matter |
| [07:14:32] | Der_Thomas: | my fav part is when the guy told me to go back to the store – and I told them they were clueless, his reply was "yeah sometimes things are frustrating" |
| [07:14:34] | Der_Thomas: | lol |
| [07:14:42] | Der_Thomas: | yesh him included |
| [07:14:43] | Der_Thomas: | ! |
| [07:15:30] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: that's the perfect opportunity for you to ask him to get in touch w/ your local office |
| [07:15:54] | bomama: | instead of him using you as intermediary" |
| [07:17:03] | Der_Thomas: | yeah i did, but it is 2:16 am local time – they are closed |
| [07:17:13] | bomama: | tell him they are supposed to be serving you instead of the other way around |
| [07:17:27] | Der_Thomas: | haha |
| [07:17:28] | Der_Thomas: | yeah |
| [07:17:52] | Der_Thomas: | I also just asked if they will eer implement a non-active X chat for us Linux / Mac guys |
| [07:17:59] | Der_Thomas: | his answer was no due to security |
| [07:18:02] | Der_Thomas: | huh? really |
| [07:18:04] | bomama: | lol |
| [07:18:56] | bomama: | that's why obama must give up his blackberry :) |
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| [07:20:24] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, bet if it ran windows MS would make sure it wasn't public that he couldn't use it |
| [07:20:38] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: you should have gone shopping on Black Friday |
| [07:21:05] | Der_Thomas: | Oh well I guess I'll have to wait to see what happens with this escalated ticket |
| [07:21:11] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: could have picked up atsc/qam receiver for cheap |
| [07:21:22] | Der_Thomas: | hopfully I'll get a better tech |
| [07:21:40] | Der_Thomas: | Actually I have a ATSC/QAM receiver too – got it for $30.00 |
| [07:21:56] | bomama: | what make and model? |
| [07:22:15] | Der_Thomas: | problem is that Time Warner and most cable cos don't put almost anything out over their cable line that isn't encrypted |
| [07:22:29] | Der_Thomas: | So it is kinda useless |
| [07:22:43] | Der_Thomas: | PCTV 800i |
| [07:22:43] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: I dont know what you're talking about |
| [07:22:45] | Der_Thomas: | pinnicle |
| [07:22:54] | bomama: | that's a great card |
| [07:23:03] | Der_Thomas: | well the analog sucks |
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| [07:23:36] | Der_Thomas: | and the digital only gets the handfull of HD local stations that the law says timewarner MUST broadcast |
| [07:23:37] | bomama: | you dont use analog if you've got that card |
| [07:23:55] | Der_Thomas: | everything else is encrypted |
| [07:23:55] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: how did you find each station? |
| [07:24:12] | Der_Thomas: | told myth to search |
| [07:24:18] | bomama: | lol |
| [07:24:25] | bomama: | that search is broken |
| [07:24:44] | bomama: | dont blame your local cableco for myth's faults |
| [07:24:47] | Der_Thomas: | I did other stuff (forget how now) and found about the same stuff |
| [07:24:59] | Der_Thomas: | it's been a while |
| [07:25:04] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: what's your zip code? |
| [07:25:07] | Der_Thomas: | 14201 |
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| [07:26:07] | psm321_: | hi |
| [07:26:20] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=14201 |
| [07:26:43] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: plenty of stuff available, dunno what you're talking about |
| [07:27:15] | Der_Thomas: | yeah someone else showed this to me before |
| [07:27:26] | Der_Thomas: | I guess that I don't know what I'm doing then |
| [07:27:33] | kormoc: | bomama, just because one cable co has it unencrypted doesn't mean they all do in the same area |
| [07:28:05] | Der_Thomas: | I'm looking at how I searched before |
| [07:28:07] | psm321_: | i'm sure this has a root cause somewhere below myth, but not sure where to look... i'm installing myth on a new system and whenever i either exit the frontend or the frontend goes to redraw because of a theme change, it freezes up the system with vertical colored bars on the bottom sixth or so of the screen (i dont have sshd running yet so i dont know if its the whole system or just X, but ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing) |
| [07:28:12] | psm321_: | any ideas? |
| [07:28:30] | kormoc: | not without logs |
| [07:28:53] | psm321_: | logs of what? |
| [07:29:04] | kormoc: | the frontend/x/etc |
| [07:29:18] | bomama: | kormoc: where did I say anything about one cable co? |
| [07:29:37] | kormoc: | <bomama> Der_Thomas: plenty of stuff available, dunno what you're talking about |
| [07:29:42] | psm321_: | mythfrontend -v all gives me nothing that seems relevant (nothing about graphics), but i will try capturing it |
| [07:29:52] | kormoc: | that seems as if you're saying that his cable co is getting that stuff |
| [07:29:55] | psm321_: | kormoc: any particular -v options i should use? |
| [07:30:02] | bomama: | kormoc: Der_Thomas: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=14201 |
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| [07:30:19] | kormoc: | psm321_, no, that should do it |
| [07:30:20] | bomama: | kormoc, that's ONE specific area |
| [07:30:41] | kormoc: | bomama, and not all those channels are going to be available on every cable co in that area |
| [07:30:46] | psm321_: | i meant to limit the amount of stuff that someone would be looking through |
| [07:30:51] | bomama: | kormoc: withzip code of 14201 |
| [07:30:56] | bomama: | kormoc: lol |
| [07:31:22] | bomama: | so tell me, how does HDHR tune it if it's encrypted? |
| [07:31:23] | Der_Thomas: | bomama, I'm confused, this shows both 8vsb and qam256, my cableco (I think) only bcasts qam256 |
| [07:31:28] | kormoc: | bomama, sure, but just because comcast in that area might be sending a channel doesn't mean his TW will, so saying he's doing something wrong by not getting all the channels is just being asinine |
| [07:31:57] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: 8vsb is over the air (not cable). you get antenna for that |
| [07:32:34] | bomama: | kormoc: haha, you apparently dont understand how local cable franchises work |
| [07:32:50] | kormoc: | bomama, and actually, that link shows cable shows for 14216, not 14201, as they don't have data for 14201 |
| [07:33:02] | Der_Thomas: | bomama, Oh, right – wow, they are being pretty generious with that, those are Buffalo and Toronto stations – don't think I could get all of those with an antenna |
| [07:33:24] | bomama: | kormoc: lol. Why dont you look at which cable franchise that is |
| [07:33:34] | Der_Thomas: | kormoc, 14216 is a suburb of my city |
| [07:33:50] | kormoc: | Der_Thomas, sure, doesn't mean you'll get the same switching office |
| [07:34:05] | bomama: | kormoc: you just dont know when you're lost, do you? |
| [07:34:09] | Der_Thomas: | kormoc, true |
| [07:34:18] | bomama: | switching office? |
| [07:34:21] | bomama: | lol |
| [07:34:31] | bomama: | it's called headend |
| [07:34:45] | bomama: | it's not the goddamn telephone company |
| [07:34:54] | kormoc: | bomama, don't swear in here |
| [07:35:29] | bomama: | kormoc: I 'll swear if you persist on being contrarian w/o evidence |
| [07:35:44] | kormoc: | bomama, you'll be banned if you break the channel rules |
| [07:35:51] | psm321_: | this ought to be fun to watch :) |
| [07:36:01] | bomama: | kormoc: go knock down some othe nonsequitur strawman |
| [07:36:08] | bomama: | other* |
| [07:36:14] | Der_Thomas: | bormama, actually now that I look at the site again, basically I did get all of these channels, if you look close it is just all of the HD versions of the locals and a few others with a BUNCH of music choice channels |
| [07:36:28] | kormoc: | bomama, feel free to leave if you're going to be unpleasant |
| [07:36:28] | Led-Hed: | I'm having problems with recordings and livetv hanging and then dropping back to the Myth menus. When this happens if I go to system status the backend load is usually around 5. The frontend load is usually low around 0.33. How can I monitor the backend to see what is causing the load. (is the video dropping because of BE load, or is the BE showing a load because the FE hung up?" |
| [07:36:33] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: and your point is? |
| [07:36:49] | Der_Thomas: | all of the stuff listed a UNKNOWN under qam256 are music choice channels |
| [07:36:50] | bomama: | kormoc: feel free to get a clue |
| [07:37:11] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: unknown doesnt mean "No reception" |
| [07:37:22] | Der_Thomas: | then they list all of the channels a second time |
| [07:37:30] | Der_Thomas: | right, no I agree |
| [07:37:32] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: unknown mean they cant figure out what station it is |
| [07:37:41] | bomama: | means* |
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| [07:38:13] | Der_Thomas: | right, so I said that I didn't really get anythign other then HD local channels, that is basically what the website shows |
| [07:38:35] | bomama: | bomama: in other words, "unknown" has transmission |
| [07:38:36] | kormoc: | Der_Thomas, it's not worth arguing with a troll |
| [07:38:46] | Der_Thomas: | I get 120 channels on my STB and that is why I was trying to get the firewire to work |
| [07:38:46] | Led-Hed: | :) |
| [07:39:21] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, I only get a few channels via firewire. |
| [07:39:22] | Der_Thomas: | bomama, yeah I know , but they are MUSIC CHOICE CHANNELS and actually my card really only got about 2 or 3 of them |
| [07:39:32] | bomama: | kormoc: that's rich considering you come in here with pointless straw man |
| [07:39:50] | Led-Hed: | wtf |
| [07:39:56] | Der_Thomas: | Wow, how did this turn into an argument? |
| [07:39:57] | psm321_: | kormoc: ok, it is just an X hang... my ssh connection is still fine... working on logs now |
| [07:39:59] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: then you're doing something wrong, plain and simple |
| [07:40:24] | psm321_: | Der_Thomas: that's what happens when you're dealing w/ a troll :) |
| [07:40:29] | kormoc: | Der_Thomas, I made some points that what he was saying wasn't the god spoken truth and he can't handle being counteracted, tis all |
| [07:40:55] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – what kind of STB do you havE? |
| [07:41:07] | Led-Hed: | SA 3250 and 4250 |
| [07:41:10] | bomama: | kormoc: pray what truth did you reveal? You didnt even address Der_Thomas specific situation |
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| [07:41:40] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – I have a 4250, just figured out that my 1394 ports are disabled by my cableco though |
| [07:41:41] | kormoc: | All I said was just because it's listed on that site doesn't mean his specific line will have it |
| [07:42:04] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – you have luck with that one? |
| [07:42:08] | bomama: | kormoc: how did that apply to Der_Thomas ?? |
| [07:42:08] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, they have to provide you a STB with activated 1394, FCC rules |
| [07:42:29] | kormoc: | bomama, you're attempting to say that his setup is broken because he's not getting every single one of those channels. |
| [07:42:42] | bomama: | kormoc: no, that's not what I said |
| [07:42:42] | kormoc: | bomama, my point is it very well might not be, he might just not be getting them |
| [07:42:45] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – yeah I know – I just finished IMing their customer service. Just frustrating |
| [07:42:47] | kormoc: | bomama, yes, yes you are |
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| [07:43:08] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone tried the vdpau patches in Myth yet? |
| [07:43:13] | kormoc: | bomama, he just said he's only getting 2–3 of the music channels listed and you said <bomama> Der_Thomas: then you're doing something wrong, plain and simple |
| [07:43:19] | kormoc: | EnderTheThird, yes |
| [07:43:25] | bomama: | kormoc: lol. so you're satisfied with "might" instead of finding out for sure? |
| [07:43:29] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – your 4250 work tough? |
| [07:43:32] | psm321_: | Led-Hed: actually theyre allowed to encrypt the channels on firewire (except locals i think) |
| [07:43:40] | EnderTheThird: | kormoc: How they treatin' you? They just in SVN or do I need to do some other stuff for it? |
| [07:43:51] | kormoc: | bomama, given he's getting all the OTA channels and most of the others, just missing a few music channels, chances seem that it's working fine |
| [07:43:59] | kormoc: | psm321, indeed, they are |
| [07:44:00] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, keep in mind that if you want to use more than 1 STB that you will need 1 Firewire card per STB. Multiple SA STB's cant share the same Firewire host adapter |
| [07:44:21] | kormoc: | EnderTheThird, they're in svn, they're fine, no auto-resizing or the like, but they work |
| [07:44:27] | Der_Thomas: | psm321_ – REALLY – OMG I thought that I would be good since I can watch the channels on the STB that it would decrypt them |
| [07:44:34] | Led-Hed: | psm321_, I know that they can encrypt them, but they still need to provide him a STB with the firewire activated. |
| [07:44:35] | kormoc: | EnderTheThird, least, until they hit a video they don't like and then the system crashes |
| [07:45:10] | Led-Hed: | and they must leave some channels unencrypted (usually the local OTA HD Channels) |
| [07:45:15] | psm321_: | Led-Hed: ah right, i missed that part |
| [07:45:20] | EnderTheThird: | kormoc: heh, sounds pretty. i'm having a heck of a time with compiling patched mplayer-svn, so maybe I should hold off on myth-svn in that case :) |
| [07:45:38] | bomama: | kormoc: that's in response to this: mchou: Der_Thomas: how did you find each station? Der_Thomas: told myth to search |
| [07:45:52] | Der_Thomas: | psm321_ & LedHead – sounds like my best bet is to use a irblaster and just put the analog out into a analog pard in my mythbox |
| [07:45:55] | psm321_: | Led-Hed: i know nothing about settop models, but i'm also pretty sure firewire is only required if you have hd service (not saying you didnt know this already, just wanted to put it out there in case) |
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| [07:46:03] | kormoc: | bomama, ahh, I have mchou on /ignore, my mistake |
| [07:46:11] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, no, even with a Firewire enabled STB you wont necessarily be able to capture all the channels via firewire |
| [07:47:08] | bomama: | kormoc: yeah, go ahead and ignore, you clueless dork |
| [07:47:20] | Led-Hed: | I'm fortunate currently I can capture almost all HD channels (even some premium channels) |
| [07:47:29] | psm321_: | nice :) |
| [07:47:47] | kormoc: | bomama, Again, personal attacks are not tolerated in this channel. Don't do it again |
| [07:47:49] | Led-Hed: | so far |
| [07:48:04] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Head – I don't have HD, jsut want to get the digital channels that I can't get on a qam card |
| [07:48:22] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, you are too tolerant |
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| [07:48:35] | psm321_: | i'm pretty sure theyre not required to give you fw in that case |
| [07:48:51] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, I only get 5–10 SD Digital channels via firewire. |
| [07:48:58] | kormoc: | Der_Thomas, aye, the law says only required for HD subscribers |
| [07:49:05] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: lookup firewire and 5C |
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| [07:49:09] | Der_Thomas: | psm321_ yeah I think you are right |
| [07:49:22] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, theres a link to it on the wiki |
| [07:49:48] | bomama: | Der_Thomas: you may be able to get SOME more channels on firewire, just dont cound on it |
| [07:49:53] | psm321_: | kormoc: mythfrontend log http://www.pastebin.ca/1270943 |
| [07:50:05] | bomama: | count* |
| [07:50:27] | psm321_: | kormoc: xorg log just ends with "Backtrace:" after all the usual startup stuff (and no actual backtrace after that... it's the last line) |
| [07:50:28] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, you would be better off changing channels via firewire and using a PVR-150 (SVideo) to capture the SD Digital channels |
| [07:50:30] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hello, I am having problems with my acpi wakeup, I am running buntu 8.10 so using /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm function, when manually testing both the +time and the absolute time method work fine, my problem seems to be that mythtv does not write the time into the system successfully |
| [07:50:44] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | using mythshutdown manually also does not help |
| [07:50:45] | Der_Thomas: | psm321_ actually it reads, if I lease a hd stb – which I do, it doesn't say I have to subscribe to their HD service |
| [07:50:52] | kormoc: | psm321_, well, what distro are you using? |
| [07:51:00] | psm321_: | gentoo |
| [07:51:23] | psm321_: | which is also what i use on my main myth setup and my experimental one at home (i'm setting this one up for my brother) |
| [07:51:29] | Der_Thomas: | psm321_ guess time will tell if they unlock my ports |
| [07:51:55] | Der_Thomas: | thanks for the help everyone |
| [07:51:58] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, dont count on them unlocking the ports. It usually goes the other way |
| [07:52:06] | psm321_: | kormoc: the big difference is both my boxes are self-build w/ nvidia graphics while this one is a dell (one designed for linux tho... came w/ ubuntu) with intel graphics |
| [07:52:15] | Der_Thomas: | good night |
| [07:52:26] | Led-Hed: | later |
| [07:52:46] | psm321_: | kormoc: no really exotic CFLAGS or anything like that, just -march=athlon64 and -O2 |
| [07:52:56] | kormoc: | psm321, so if you run mythfrontend and exit without playing anything back does it crash or only after playback? |
| [07:53:10] | psm321_: | without doing anything it crashes |
| [07:53:14] | psm321_: | one thing i should mention tho |
| [07:53:30] | psm321_: | is myth isnt fully configured yet (only went through the first screen in mythtv-setup) |
| [07:53:49] | Led-Hed: | psm321_, have you tried Knoppmyth or MiniMyth? |
| [07:53:53] | psm321_: | (i had first started mythfrontend to change the theme before i continued setup) |
| [07:54:05] | psm321_: | Led-Hed: i have in the past, not on this box no |
| [07:54:11] | kormoc: | shouldn't matter, it's something crappy |
| [07:54:14] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:54:34] | Led-Hed: | might be helpful in determining if its a hardware problem |
| [07:54:35] | kormoc: | I'd try switching the painter to opengl and see if that changes anything |
| [07:55:04] | Led-Hed: | psm321_, which is crashing the intel gfx or the nV |
| [07:55:13] | kormoc: | the intel is the one crashing |
| [07:55:35] | psm321_: | kormoc: i actually dont have opengl working yet (well dri at least, maybe opengl works... i dont fully understand the interactions), because the version of mesa that's in gentoo stable doesnt properly support i915 |
| [07:56:12] | kormoc: | dri is required for opengl on those cards |
| [07:56:18] | kormoc: | /chipsets |
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| [07:56:39] | Led-Hed: | I'm having problems with recordings and livetv hanging and then dropping back to the Myth menus. When this happens if I go to system status the backend load is usually around 5. The frontend load is usually low around 0.33. How can I monitor the backend to see what is causing the load. (is the video dropping because of BE load, or is the BE showing a load because the FE hung up?" |
| [07:56:42] | psm321_: | well i had glxgears running at really low framerates before |
| [07:56:48] | psm321_: | (~600 fps) |
| [07:56:59] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, run top on the backend? |
| [07:57:07] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, done that |
| [07:57:35] | Led-Hed: | problem is that I cant force it to happen. Happens randomly |
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| [07:58:28] | Led-Hed: | is there a way to log processes and load to a file? then just have it run on the BE. |
| [07:58:32] | psm321_: | you dont have a seagate 1.5tb do you? (that would explain hangs, but not the load i dont think) |
| [07:58:44] | Led-Hed: | psm321_, yes I have 3 |
| [07:58:50] | Led-Hed: | in a RAID 5 |
| [07:59:03] | Led-Hed: | but this problem happened prior to those drives. |
| [07:59:07] | psm321_: | oh ok |
| [07:59:25] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, there's not really a easy way that I know of off hand |
| [07:59:26] | Led-Hed: | knock on wood. Havent had any issues with the 1.5TB's yes |
| [07:59:27] | Led-Hed: | yet |
| [07:59:49] | psm321_: | Led-Hed: did you check dmesg? i didnt realize some of my hangs were due to that until i looked there |
| [08:00:11] | Led-Hed: | psm321, I'll check it next time it happens |
| [08:01:01] | kormoc: | psm321, there's nothing in that log that suggests that myth is at fault, as for the X issue, might have better help in #gentoo or forums.gentoo.org |
| [08:01:46] | psm321_: | kormoc: ok, i figured as much... was just hoping somebody might have an idea as to what myth might be doing that would trigger that since i havent seen it w/ anything else yet |
| [08:01:47] | psm321_: | thanks |
| [08:01:56] | kormoc: | g'luck |
| [08:02:24] | Led-Hed: | here are some of the errors I've gotten from the FE & BE logs after one of these hangs. http://pastebin.com/mdca4a1f |
| [08:03:07] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, try playing with the 'aggressive sound card buffering' setting? |
| [08:03:29] | Led-Hed: | I have to, otherwise HD video skips |
| [08:03:31] | psm321_: | kormoc: btw, since you asked, switching to the opengl painter didnt help (and i'm pretty sure it was using it, cause it was doing the fading between menus thing... really really slowly) |
| [08:03:39] | psm321_: | but yeah i'll ask elsewhere |
| [08:03:55] | kormoc: | psm321, erm, it said in the log QT painter, so that's really strange |
| [08:04:18] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, hrm, your network have enough bandwidth? |
| [08:04:21] | psm321_: | kormoc: i meant it was using it after i switched (you said to try it) |
| [08:04:27] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [08:04:31] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, GigE |
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| [08:04:38] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, nothing else going on? |
| [08:05:05] | kormoc: | Led-Hed, the network socket timeout is strange, that shouldn't be happening |
| [08:05:16] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, sometimes yes sometimes no. I've tried it with 3 HD tv's going. Tried it with only 1, Still get the hang |
| [08:05:50] | kormoc: | are you commflagging? |
| [08:06:14] | Led-Hed: | though the other night when a HD recording hung my daughter was watching a video from the library, and xine said that it dropped frames. I just assumed it was related to the high load on the backend |
| [08:06:35] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, yes, but I have it set to only happen between 2am – 6am |
| [08:06:55] | Led-Hed: | these hangs arent happening durring that time frame |
| [08:06:56] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [08:07:36] | Led-Hed: | this started happening when I made the move to HD |
| [08:07:51] | Led-Hed: | but the hang now happens on SD programming also |
| [08:08:03] | kormoc: | are you recording when the hangs happen? |
| [08:08:14] | Led-Hed: | sometimes yes sometimes no |
| [08:08:42] | kormoc: | you specialize in answering the worse way aren't ya? :P |
| [08:09:02] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [08:09:03] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | ok I have done more digging, maybe its because mythtv cannot run the necessary script with full authority |
| [08:09:29] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | how do I add them to etc/sudoers properly |
| [08:09:31] | Led-Hed: | kormoc, its just very random, which makes it very hard to pin down |
| [08:10:22] | Led-Hed: | I've tested my hardware (FE's, BE, Network) all checks out in Windows and Linux. So I dont think its hardware or driver related |
| [08:11:04] | Led-Hed: | Redhammer_the_Ol, set the script to be world executable |
| [08:11:33] | Led-Hed: | brb |
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| [08:24:03] | Led-Hed: | back |
| [08:24:45] | psm321_: | kormoc: heh the system is definitely really messed up... strace segfaults :) |
| [08:25:18] | clever: | lol |
| [08:25:26] | clever: | psm321_: debian based? |
| [08:25:42] | psm321_: | gentoo |
| [08:25:45] | psm321_: | :-/ |
| [08:25:46] | clever: | ah |
| [08:26:34] | clever: | one of my old laptops would start to segfault when the batery got low |
| [08:26:41] | clever: | but only if it was low batery while on charge |
| [08:27:14] | clever: | half the problem was that the 'charger' couldnt put out more current then the system 'used', so the batery ran down even when on charge |
| [08:27:51] | clever: | it ran better if i wired the RAW UNFILTERED 12 from a RUNNING van right into the charging port |
| [08:28:02] | clever: | if the van wasnt running, it would have trouble |
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| [08:29:52] | clever: | bbl |
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| [08:34:36] | GlemSom: | Is there a way to detect if a TV connected via HDMI is on? I've looked at nvidia-settings -q all – but that cannot detect it... ? |
| [08:35:33] | Led-Hed: | not sure. |
| [08:35:56] | Led-Hed: | I suppose ACPI might give you some clues |
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| [10:18:11] | Traveler0: | hi |
| [10:18:45] | Traveler0: | anyone know how to get upnp working? |
| [10:19:47] | Traveler0: | hello? |
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| [10:39:00] | artus35: | good morning |
| [10:39:13] | artus35: | how do you do wakeup with mythtv? |
| [10:39:33] | artus35: | I mean that mythtv automatically starts the PC when a recording is about to start? |
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| [11:30:24] | jarle: | artus35: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup |
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| [13:25:21] | aldin: | how to start watching tv with mythtv, i have leadtek 200xp expert tv card, installed mythtv in ubuntu 8.10, configured database and started backend, but when i press enter on watch tv nothing happens, where do i scan chanels etc |
| [13:27:11] | ruskie: | tried utilities/options menu? |
| [13:31:45] | aldin: | jes, btw i just runed mythtv-setup |
| [13:31:55] | aldin: | and found my card gave it /dev/video0 |
| [13:31:59] | aldin: | will try now |
| [13:34:35] | aldin: | still nothing |
| [13:34:54] | aldin: | when i run program i cannot watch nor scan any channel, actually i dont know where to do that |
| [13:37:14] | ruskie: | hmm can't say I can help all that much since I don't use that functionality at all |
| [13:37:30] | ruskie: | I'd recommend the wiki page I guess |
| [13:37:43] | Dibblah: | aldin: You need to follow an installation guide. The manual, for example. |
| [13:38:02] | Dibblah: | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [13:39:59] | aldin: | ok, i will check that |
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| [15:37:30] | gpd: | anyone else suffering from mythfilldatabase segfaults a lot recently? UK? |
| [15:37:40] | gpd: | [540144.280691] mythfilldatabas[15284]: segfault at b6df4ff4 ip 08a7b9bc sp b480a7ec error 7 |
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| [15:48:47] | dustybin: | justinh: did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
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| [15:49:59] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [15:50:04] | sid3windr: | I'm -just- watching e2 =) |
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| [15:52:31] | wagnerrp: | disconnected... i wonder if that means my ip changed |
| [15:53:06] | wagnerrp: | nope, just randomly disconnected |
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| [15:53:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Looks like a whole freenode server got bumped |
| [15:54:24] | directhex: | dustybin, What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early? |
| [15:55:15] | dustybin: | directhex: The trouble with arsenal is they always try to walk it in |
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| [16:18:29] | wagnerrp: | im reading through old list archives for multirec support on the hdhr |
| [16:18:55] | wagnerrp: | someone was suggesting modifications to an hdhr, including IR transmitters |
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| [16:28:45] | Dibblah: | That was... A bit of a shock. A ubuntu hardy -> intrepid upgrade only took 3 hours to sort out! |
| [16:29:03] | clever: | i usualy wind up batching them:P |
| [16:29:11] | clever: | ive done 2 or 3 upgrades in a row before |
| [16:29:16] | Dibblah: | Back in the old days, you'd need a chicken for an upgrade... |
| [16:29:20] | riddlebox: | Dibblah, how long did you wait to do the upgrade? |
| [16:29:32] | Dibblah: | Uhm... Until now? |
| [16:29:38] | clever: | also, each upgrade has broken things more and more |
| [16:29:52] | clever: | 6.06->7.04 broke lirc receiving |
| [16:29:57] | riddlebox: | Dibblah, the longer you wait after a release |
| [16:30:03] | riddlebox: | the easier it gets |
| [16:30:06] | clever: | 7.04 -> 7.10 broke all lirc and confused ivtv |
| [16:30:22] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I know that much :) |
| [16:30:37] | clever: | i then moved my card to an unupgraded system and managed to hack it into a working state |
| [16:30:41] | riddlebox: | I am going to do a fresh install, cause I got a bigger hard drive I want to lvm it all together |
| [16:30:55] | clever: | yeah root on lvm is wicked |
| [16:31:18] | clever: | the / on my laptop was getting too small, so i booted it from nfs and stole space from the swap partition:P |
| [16:31:21] | Dibblah: | root on lvm is pointless. |
| [16:31:32] | riddlebox: | I am tired of using an 80gb drive, I got a 160gb drive and going to lvm them together |
| [16:31:42] | clever: | Dibblah: why? |
| [16:31:43] | Dibblah: | It's like RAID, but with none of the advantages. |
| [16:31:54] | clever: | Dibblah: i was only using 1 drive, so it wasnt even like raid |
| [16:32:13] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: you cant use that for mirroring? |
| [16:32:26] | clever: | in my case its more like a filesystem to partition up the drive, with the ability to fragment the partitions |
| [16:32:40] | Dibblah: | lvm is not a filesystem. |
| [16:32:41] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [16:32:47] | wagnerrp: | it obviously wouldnt work so seamlessly |
| [16:32:59] | wagnerrp: | but if one is acting up, you could pull the power on it and reboot into the other |
| [16:33:11] | clever: | Dibblah: i know that, but it lets me create static sized 'files' that use available blocks (dont have to be 1 big chunk) |
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| [18:26:14] | iamlindoro__: | Yay users list! In the "pre-assembled VDPAU frontends" thread someone is recommending a 6200 "so you can use XvMc" |
| [18:26:50] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever used a Squeezebox? |
| [18:27:16] | wagnerrp: | looking for gifts for parents |
| [18:28:47] | kormoc: | hou |
| [18:29:04] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, i'm reading abou VDPAU just now myself, looks awesome. |
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| [18:29:20] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, It's not perfect yet, but it's pretty damn fun/impressive |
| [18:29:26] | kormoc: | one big issue for myself, no auto-resizing yet :) |
| [18:30:47] | fuxxy: | kormoc, you don't like watching 720p videos on a 1080i LCD with that cropped feel? |
| [18:31:29] | kormoc: | fuxxy, ooh, I'm using the patches that detect black borders for 480 content and will crop it to the largest/correct aspect ratio it can |
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| [18:32:49] | gbee: | kormoc: did Chutt's last commit not fix that? |
| [18:34:41] | gbee: | or do you mean the patch doesn't apply or doesn't affect that code path? The latter seems most likely now that I think about it, the vdpau path probably doesn't let us do the border detection ... |
| [18:35:06] | gbee: | that's the disadvantage of an all in one pipeline |
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| [18:36:38] | gbee: | we'll have to break it down so that decoding can be used independently of the rendering, for comm flagging at the very least |
| [18:37:29] | fuxxy: | gbee, wouldnt' that mean that comm flagging would have to be done on the frontend? |
| [18:37:57] | iamlindoro: | fuxxy: No, you just put a VDPAU capable card on the backend |
| [18:38:00] | kormoc: | gbee, the patch is for xv only, someone (I'm playing with it right now but I'm hoping someone who has a chance) will need ot update it :) |
| [18:38:01] | wagnerrp: | fuxxy: you can run a jobqueue on the frontend (sans full backend) to do commflagging |
| [18:38:10] | wagnerrp: | or yeah, put a card in the backend |
| [18:38:53] | kormoc: | "So can I put 16 video cards in my backend so I can cluster commflagging?" |
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| [18:39:09] | iamlindoro: | It was bound to be asked ;) |
| [18:39:11] | wagnerrp: | you have a system that will take 16 video cards? |
| [18:39:26] | iamlindoro: | I could get three into my backend |
| [18:39:36] | iamlindoro: | and maybe if there are any x1 cards a few more |
| [18:39:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, if you get the cards with 4x gpus per card, it's not that unreasonable |
| [18:39:46] | fuxxy: | What's the bottom-of-line card that can do VDPAU? |
| [18:39:52] | wagnerrp: | well there are a couple quadro x1 cards |
| [18:40:07] | fuxxy: | I'm not sure how many people want to buy decent "gaming" cards to put in a machine without a monitor. |
| [18:40:20] | iamlindoro: | fuxxy: A second generation or better 8xxx card or any 9xxx card and at least 512 MB memory on it right now |
| [18:40:22] | wagnerrp: | an 8400 is by no means a 'decent gaming' card |
| [18:40:31] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, all 16x cards can work in a 1x slot, it'll just be slower |
| [18:40:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Oh neat, I didn't know that |
| [18:40:44] | wagnerrp: | basically, everything but the original 8800GTX is a second generation card |
| [18:41:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats not exactly true |
| [18:41:20] | wagnerrp: | any x16 card will work at x1 speeds, but that doesnt mean it will fit in an x1 slot |
| [18:41:57] | kormoc: | ahh, I guess it would need to be keyed correctly |
| [18:42:03] | kormoc: | I've hever had a card that wasn't |
| [18:42:07] | iamlindoro__: | The real question is "who records enough TV to need clustered GPUs for commflagging and why won't they GO OUTSIDE? |
| [18:42:20] | clever: | lol |
| [18:42:21] | wagnerrp: | the back end of the x1 slot is open? |
| [18:42:26] | laga: | kormoc: they can work in a x1 slot, but most won't fit AFAIK. |
| [18:42:33] | kormoc: | huh |
| [18:42:42] | fuxxy: | hmm. |
| [18:42:43] | laga: | at least my nvidia card won't fit AFAIK |
| [18:43:00] | kormoc: | lookng at mine, it's keyed, 8400, and I have some ati card here that's also keyed for 1x |
| [18:43:01] | kormoc: | weird |
| [18:43:06] | fuxxy: | I'm still not sure how well that will work out. |
| [18:43:08] | wagnerrp: | you could probably dremel a notch in the back of the slot, to allow a larger card to fit |
| [18:43:10] | wagnerrp: | but i wouldnt |
| [18:43:17] | wagnerrp: | all pcie cards are identically keyed |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | the higher speeds just add additional pins on the second section |
| [18:43:42] | kormoc: | weird |
| [18:43:51] | kormoc: | oh wait, it needs two keys |
| [18:43:51] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [18:43:54] | kormoc: | I need coffee |
| [18:43:58] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, a x16 card in a x1 slot is not how anyone should be doing it-- just buy any PCIe 8xxx or 9xxx so long as it's not a 8800GTX |
| [18:44:12] | iamlindoro__: | and 512MB on it |
| [18:44:21] | iamlindoro__: | $30–40 should do it |
| [18:44:33] | laga: | kormoc: yeah.. just asked google images :) |
| [18:44:39] | clever: | i just lost 256mb of ram on one of my systems |
| [18:44:46] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, I'm on dialup at the moment, so i can't research how much the 8XXX's are.. You think around $35? |
| [18:44:54] | laga: | clever: a dingo stole it? |
| [18:45:01] | wagnerrp: | fuxxy: i just bought one for $30, free shipping |
| [18:45:01] | iamlindoro__: | Oh no, that's 300% of the RAM on most of your systems! |
| [18:45:22] | clever: | laga: it started turning up bad again in memtest |
| [18:45:25] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141072 |
| [18:45:30] | iamlindoro__: | $38 |
| [18:45:37] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, well then. I guess the hit to the wallet wouldn't be as bad as I thought.. |
| [18:45:37] | clever: | laga: reseating usualy fixed it, but not this time |
| [18:45:40] | wagnerrp: | clever: ive got 2GB of spare PC100 laying around, but i doubt any of your systems could handle sticks that large |
| [18:45:46] | fuxxy: | hell, even *I* can justify that. |
| [18:45:47] | iamlindoro__: | You can get even cheaper but as of the moment you really want 512 MB |
| [18:46:04] | clever: | wagnerrp: the one i removed is pc3200 |
| [18:46:05] | fuxxy: | so my 6800 Ultra OC wouldnt' work ? :) |
| [18:46:06] | iamlindoro__: | That's even passively cooled, so silent. |
| [18:46:12] | iamlindoro__: | No, your 6800 will not work. |
| [18:46:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, this is your one halfway decent machine? |
| [18:46:28] | laga: | poor clever |
| [18:46:32] | fuxxy: | Silent isn't needed in a backend, but that's still a plus. |
| [18:46:34] | clever: | wagnerrp: its the 2.9ghz celeron box |
| [18:46:43] | iamlindoro__: | clever is poor because he WON'T GET A JOB |
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| [18:46:51] | iamlindoro__: | Poor clever's father for having a son like clever |
| [18:46:56] | fuxxy: | clever, I've got plenty of DDR as well. |
| [18:46:57] | kormoc: | at times I wish IRC was more resource intensive and thus required a fairly decent system to run |
| [18:47:13] | clever: | fuxxy: i have a stack of 6 memory cards on the desk |
| [18:47:17] | clever: | but they dont match |
| [18:47:22] | fuxxy: | clever, PLENTY |
| [18:47:27] | clever: | 2 key notches instead of 1 |
| [18:47:36] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, Keep in mind that VDPAU won't do anything for a backend at the moment-- for now it's only worthwhile for a frontend and there are no definite signs that that will change |
| [18:47:41] | wagnerrp: | so SDR memory |
| [18:47:46] | wagnerrp: | PC100/133 |
| [18:48:35] | clever: | description: DIMM DRAM Synchronous |
| [18:48:46] | clever: | thats the type for the system thats low on ram |
| [18:48:51] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, understood – at the moment :) |
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| [18:49:17] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, "there are no definite signs that that will change" |
| [18:49:21] | iamlindoro__: | take note of that part too |
| [18:49:54] | iamlindoro__: | There are lots of neat ideas about how it *might* be used, but no guarantees that it can or *will* be used for anything except for video decode and display |
| [18:50:11] | fuxxy: | clever, I don't have them in front of me, but I belive theyre mostly PC2700 DDR. I don't know what kind of key notches they have, but they're all identical. |
| [18:50:21] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, understood. |
| [18:50:48] | gbee: | I imagine that a lot of people would be interested in an IGP backend for commflagging h.264, saves money and power on the CPU required |
| [18:51:05] | wagnerrp: | DDR all has a single key in the same position, DDR2 has a single key in a different position, DDR3 i dont know (dont own any), SDR has two keys |
| [18:51:19] | gbee: | and since the backend would be headless, the suckiness of something like an 8200 wouldn't be an issue |
| [18:51:26] | clever: | fuxxy: http://www.upgradecomputermemory.com/images/p . . . -am34010.jpg |
| [18:51:41] | clever: | fuxxy: thats what i just remved o beleive, looks the same and is the same size in mb |
| [18:51:52] | ** fuxxy waits for the in-law's dialup to load. ** | |
| [18:52:05] | fuxxy: | clever, one key, i belive that's what I have. |
| [18:52:13] | fuxxy: | How many slots do you have? |
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| [18:52:25] | wagnerrp: | if its DDR1, it has one key |
| [18:52:39] | clever: | fuxxy: the celeron has 2 slots |
| [18:52:45] | clever: | http://www.overclockingwiki.org/images/thumb/ . . . px-RAM_n.jpg |
| [18:52:56] | fuxxy: | clever, let me get home and I'll look. DDR400 is what, PC3200? |
| [18:53:03] | clever: | the bottom is what i took out, the 2nd from the bottom is what i have plenty of |
| [18:53:10] | clever: | no idea:P |
| [18:53:28] | fuxxy: | bwahaha |
| [18:53:52] | fuxxy: | the dialup loaded the two 30-pin SIMMS at the top of the image, and I'm "WTF?!" |
| [18:54:01] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RAM_n.jpg |
| [18:54:05] | clever: | ahh this one explains it |
| [18:54:13] | fuxxy: | the one at the top is PC133 SDRAM |
| [18:54:19] | fuxxy: | the "upper" one rather |
| [18:54:24] | clever: | the one i just linked shows everything and names them |
| [18:54:49] | kormoc: | Not a fan of EDO? |
| [18:54:50] | clever: | i removed 'ddr dimm' and have several 'dimm' spares |
| [18:55:34] | wagnerrp: | i hated the clamps they used to have on EDO memory |
| [18:56:08] | wagnerrp: | the small metal things, similar to whats on minipci |
| [18:56:12] | clever: | and i need some 'simm 30pin' ones for my 486 to be able to run games:P |
| [18:56:36] | wagnerrp: | theres a thing called dosbox for that |
| [18:56:39] | fuxxy: | clever, I used to have a bunch of 4GB sticks, threw them out. |
| [18:56:57] | clever: | that would be enough to stress my 32 bit systems:P |
| [18:56:58] | fuxxy: | kormoc, and I fought the 72 pin EDO on my Cobalt Raq2 for MONTHS. |
| [18:59:40] | fuxxy: | Too bad this thing doesnt have a NIC, I think it would make a nice frontend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136325 |
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| [19:15:11] | gbee: | err, not a myth frontend ... feature reduced upnp client maybe |
| [19:16:01] | cesman: | gbee: but you can run Linux on anything ;) |
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| [19:45:15] | gbee: | heh |
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| [19:46:53] | gbee: | just for a joke I added an item to the wishlist over a year ago, under the new platforms section ... I thought it might just make people stop and think about how sensible their suggestions were, it hasn't |
| [19:47:23] | Dagmar: | Which platform did you ask about? |
| [19:47:41] | gbee: | 1985 model Casio pocket calculator |
| [19:48:22] | wagnerrp: | 5318008 |
| [19:48:23] | Dagmar: | Hmm... Clearly a farcical request, but... You were expecting people to think? |
| [19:48:55] | gbee: | yes well I underestimated the human race |
| [19:49:03] | Dagmar: | This is the internet. Over half the users have all the self-control and sense of integrity that you'd expect to find from a long-time street wino. |
| [19:49:13] | Dagmar: | They don't "logon" to think |
| [19:52:03] | wagnerrp: | aww... the page linked on wikipedia with calculator words is gone... |
| [19:52:26] | wagnerrp: | go go google cache! |
| [19:52:39] | kormoc: | gbee, I weep for humanity daily |
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| [20:01:13] | gbee: | wagnerrp: not missing much, even by my standards it was a poor joke |
| [20:01:49] | wagnerrp: | i was always a TI man myself |
| [20:02:42] | iamlindoro__: | Har har, I love this phoronix thread |
| [20:02:57] | iamlindoro__: | "the developers should know better" than to allow the use of a binary blob, blah blah |
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| [20:03:11] | wagnerrp: | developers of.. what? |
| [20:03:14] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: The sign of an "expert" to be sure, those words are. |
| [20:03:17] | gbee: | actually my favs were TI, but later on there was a syllabus requirement for a Casio model ... I still had the TI until recently though, it was a nice little calculator |
| [20:03:33] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p . . . postcount=27 |
| [20:03:43] | gbee: | wagnerrp: mythtv |
| [20:04:11] | Dagmar: | val-gaav is a dumbass. |
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| [20:04:28] | wagnerrp: | i honestly dont understand how a blob can hurt linux |
| [20:04:37] | wagnerrp: | aside from the fact that it isnt shipped on the install disk |
| [20:04:41] | gbee: | apparently our decision to include support for vdpau in mythtv is an affront to the open source movement and I expect we'll be first against the wall come the revolution |
| [20:04:43] | iamlindoro__: | It presumes that we're all evangelists |
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| [20:05:01] | iamlindoro__: | If the most stable fully featured platform were windows + Media center, I'd run that |
| [20:05:01] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: There's actually nothing wrong with it at all. |
| [20:05:07] | wagnerrp: | i mean buggy source is just as bad as binaries |
| [20:05:20] | Dagmar: | val-gaav simply has *no* logical basis for the argument he's making |
| [20:05:28] | wagnerrp: | and dumping tens of thousands of pages of technical specs on OS devs isnt a better option |
| [20:05:34] | gbee: | wagnerrp: some nutters think that every bit of software should be open source, that to touch something which isn't open source makes us unclean |
| [20:06:04] | kormoc: | gbee, I bet his head would explode if he knew Isaac worked at Nvidia |
| [20:06:10] | gbee: | ssh |
| [20:06:18] | Dagmar: | From the get-go the licence Linux uses and the design has been such to *allow* companies that feel the need to protect their intellectual property to make binary-only releases |
| [20:06:36] | gbee: | kormoc: were that widely known I think we'd never hear the end of it |
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| [20:07:52] | iamlindoro__: | "Oh so THAT'S why you say we should buy blah blah..." |
| [20:07:59] | iamlindoro__: | shills! |
| [20:08:23] | wagnerrp: | S3 graphics FTW |
| [20:08:27] | Dagmar: | THe sad thing is that I'd prefer shills. |
| [20:08:29] | gbee: | clearly I'm always recommending ATi because that's what they pay me to do |
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| [20:08:35] | gbee: | (I wish) |
| [20:08:36] | Dagmar: | At least shills can make an argument from intellgencce. |
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| [20:09:15] | kormoc: | I'm always open to shilling |
| [20:09:56] | iamlindoro__: | You should do it for Hauppauge like I do |
| [20:10:07] | iamlindoro__: | They pay on time |
| [20:10:08] | wagnerrp: | i thought we all did that |
| [20:10:17] | pheld: | does anyone else have problem with relations between DVB channels and multiplexes? When I manually create a transport matching a sat transponder, it is not possible to specify transportid and networkid so those fields end up as NULL in the table. Scanning then reveal the expected channels, but now a new row is added to dtv_multiplex with a different mplexid and the newly scanned channels refer to this generated transport. |
| [20:10:18] | kormoc: | Will Shrill for Hardware! |
| [20:10:54] | iamlindoro__: | I'd recommend the CRAP out of Hauppauge if I got one of each new device and so long as I could make that relationship clear |
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| [20:11:25] | iamlindoro__: | As it is I'll just ahve to recommend them for free on account of their stuff working the best |
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| [20:12:26] | pheld: | then trying to add another transponder/multiplex and find its channels after scanning being associated with a different multiplex on a different frequency. |
| [20:14:33] | gbee: | pheld: generally manually adding anything to the database isn't supposed to happened |
| [20:15:00] | pheld: | why does the GUI support it then |
| [20:15:04] | gbee: | it won't work very well because it's not intended to work that way |
| [20:15:36] | gbee: | you mean adding the frequency manually in the scan dialogs? |
| [20:15:52] | pheld: | add transport |
| [20:17:39] | gbee: | right, well that's definately a bug then |
| [20:17:52] | pheld: | should be possible to manually pick the transponders one wants from e.g. http://lyngsat.com/packages/canaldigital.html manually and then scan them to get the channels one want. That way one doesn't have to drag around a bazillion encrypted channels one doesn't have a subscription for |
| [20:17:56] | gbee: | but the scanning code is being re-written for 0.22 and that may already be fixed |
| [20:18:26] | pheld: | running trunk, so that isn't fixed yet |
| [20:18:40] | gbee: | pheld: the work is being done in a different branch |
| [20:18:46] | pheld: | ahh |
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| [20:19:21] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, I am working on adding resolution icons to the PBB... is it worth my getting your current patch and working from that, or will those things be similar enough that I am implement it on the existing PBB? |
| [20:19:41] | iamlindoro__: | er I can |
| [20:20:00] | gbee: | the icon stuff will be pretty similar, but if you want to check against the patch then please do |
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| [20:20:13] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, okay, is that still up anywhere? |
| [20:20:57] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/mythui_playbackbox.diff |
| [20:21:00] | iamlindoro__: | thanks |
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| [20:21:02] | pheld: | another mail to the dev-list then maybe? my experiences with scanning may be useful to someone there |
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| [20:22:50] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, this is one of the known issues with some providers. |
| [20:23:26] | Dibblah: | Myth really does not cope well currently with invalid data from them. However, it IS on Danielk's wishlist for when-he-gets-time. |
| [20:23:33] | iamlindoro__: | Is this that "broken NIT" thing again? |
| [20:23:39] | Dibblah: | Probably. |
| [20:23:53] | iamlindoro__: | sucks that it's so widespread |
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| [20:31:31] | trumee: | guys, are there any microATX boards which have more than 2 PCI slots. |
| [20:31:51] | trumee: | all the boards I have seen on the web seem to have only 1PCI slot |
| [20:32:26] | Dagmar: | trumee: 1. Check Newegg. |
| [20:32:38] | Dagmar: | 2. Highly unlikely, and it'll mean a board with NO PCI-e slots |
| [20:33:02] | Dagmar: | There's some constants with the board layout, one of which is it's _size_ and the other is _where the CPU goes_. |
| [20:33:18] | Dagmar: | ...which means you only have a certain amount of space for where the PCI slots go. |
| [20:34:58] | gbee: | Dibblah, iamlindoro: the issue pheld is describing isn't afaik anything to do with the nit bug but more a minor issue with the way the single transport scan inserts and re-uses existing database entries |
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| [20:35:39] | Dibblah: | Oh, the transport doubling bug. |
| [20:35:47] | Dagmar: | trumee: NEwEgg doesn't seem to have any, so you're likely just SOL unless you wanna go full ATX |
| [20:35:53] | Dibblah: | ISTR that was fixed in trunk...? |
| [20:35:58] | trumee: | Dagmar, i am planning to build an HTPC. Havent settled for a case yet, but my impression was that most cases can do only microATX |
| [20:36:04] | gbee: | trumee: generally won't get more than 2 PCI on matx, but there are plenty of 2x boards |
| [20:36:13] | Dagmar: | trumee: Then you might be in luck |
| [20:36:41] | trumee: | Dagmar, here is one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186129 |
| [20:37:17] | trumee: | Dagmar, and a better one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128365. Has both PCI and PCI ex |
| [20:37:19] | Dagmar: | Weird. That wouldn't come up for me a minute ago |
| [20:38:07] | wagnerrp: | trumee: unless you want to capture SD analog, theres no real need for PCI anymore |
| [20:38:34] | Dagmar: | Shucks. The NSK2480 I have only takes mATX. I would have sworn it would fit larger, but I guess not |
| [20:38:36] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners come in PCIe and network-attached form |
| [20:38:36] | gbee: | unless you already have a lot of PCI cards than you don't want to replace |
| [20:38:41] | wagnerrp: | HD analog comes in USB form |
| [20:38:57] | trumee: | gbee, correct. dont want to throw away my cards |
| [20:39:08] | wagnerrp: | well if he already has a lot of cards, he also already has them in another box, and they can stay in that box in the basement |
| [20:40:16] | trumee: | Dagmar, what motherboard do you use? |
| [20:40:30] | wagnerrp: | hes got a whole page on the wiki describing his |
| [20:40:31] | Dagmar: | trumee: I can do better than that. Look at the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d%27Surreal |
| [20:40:36] | wagnerrp: | and theres the link |
| [20:41:40] | Dagmar: | The new 4850e CPU is damn nice BTW> |
| [20:42:11] | trumee: | Dagmar, i was looking for an intel cpu. But your board looks good |
| [20:42:36] | Dagmar: | trumee: I'm stilll using the integrated video on it. Seems to be working okay |
| [20:42:53] | gbee: | Dagmar: the 4850e is what I just bought |
| [20:43:28] | Dagmar: | gbee: I got two of them in this month. One for my machine's upgrade, and one for a new machine for my GF to play WoW on |
| [20:43:41] | Dagmar: | It's crazy how cheap they are |
| [20:44:45] | gbee: | might buy a second for the production machine, all depends on how well the 3600 handles ITV HD, but I like it – both price, the lower TDP and the HD friendly power |
| [20:45:06] | gbee: | box is a bitch to open though |
| [20:46:23] | trumee: | guys, what sound card do you use. I use a Creative Soundblaster 5.1. It is the card which works best in linux. I had a crap experience with onboard audio (Intel HD etc) |
| [20:46:43] | wagnerrp: | well heres two that *should* work for VDPAU when its ready |
| [20:46:52] | Dagmar: | Well, the Intel HD drivers are still dodgy because the chipset is very new |
| [20:47:07] | wagnerrp: | intel: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130214 |
| [20:47:20] | Dagmar: | Mainly I have a small stack of SBLive! 5.1 cards I got for $16 apiece about five years ago, which I use if I can't connive onboard audio to work |
| [20:47:27] | wagnerrp: | amd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131318 |
| [20:47:32] | gbee: | trumee: really don't think it matters in this day and age what sound card you use, it doesn't seem to matter like it did ten years ago |
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| [20:47:58] | Dagmar: | I agree with gbee |
| [20:48:10] | trumee: | gbee, i am still stuck in the old era then. I harvest cheap Creative SB 5.1 cards from ebay :) |
| [20:48:13] | gbee: | go with the onboard audio, whatever that happens to be |
| [20:48:39] | Dagmar: | ...although mainly because most people either have so-so speakers which mean integrated sound doens't have to be stellar, or they're just feeding digital out to a reciever and professional stereo |
| [20:48:52] | wagnerrp: | ive not yet had a pleasurable experience with onboard audio |
| [20:49:05] | Dagmar: | trumee: Creative needs to release us the stuff needed to put the DSP on them to some real work |
| [20:49:10] | wagnerrp: | although i dont use digital |
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| [20:49:32] | trumee: | gbee, not sure about that. There are stills apps who can do OSS only. Most onboard chipsets cant do multiple OSS streams. atleast creative SB can |
| [20:49:35] | arodd_: | I'm having an issue where my pinnacle 800i will only scan the first multplex in dtv_multiplex. If I manually adjust the first multiplex each time I run a scan I can eventually fill the channels with all of the multiplexes. However it will only successfully scan the first one. Basically I manually export the table and then leave only one multiplex in for each scan run leaving the multiplex id's the same. |
| [20:49:36] | gbee: | I do conceed that I'm not an audiophile |
| [20:50:06] | wagnerrp: | im not an audiophile either, i just prefer not to hear my DVD spinning up or network traffic over my speakers |
| [20:50:15] | gbee: | trumee: apps you are likely to use on that machine? OSS drivers aren't even in the kernel anymore |
| [20:50:32] | arodd_: | Then however it won't tune into the other multiplexes channels after re-adding all of the multiplexes only the last multiplex scanned with the channel scan |
| [20:50:37] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well I've not yet experienced that with any onboard audio |
| [20:50:57] | wagnerrp: | ive gotten that with every onboard chip ive ever used |
| [20:51:12] | arodd_: | mplayer can tune all of the channels using a channels.conf And obviously myth will scan them all if there is only one multiplex used |
| [20:51:15] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You have gotten ahold of some REALLY crappy equipment if you're hearing that kind of bleedthrough. You buyin' Foxconn or Biostar boards or something? |
| [20:51:21] | wagnerrp: | from the crystal chip in my laptop, to a handful of realteks in my desktops |
| [20:51:25] | trumee: | gbee, i can hear my hard disk spin on my onboard Intel HD audio , motherboard Asus P5K Premium |
| [20:51:30] | arodd_: | I'm assuming there is some problem with the way it tunes because it only works the first round. |
| [20:51:50] | wagnerrp: | an MSI, a Gigabyte, an ASUS, and now back to an MSI |
| [20:52:13] | Dagmar: | Are you guys that are getting the bleedthrough actually using *metal* mounting posts to ground the motherboard to the chassis at *all* the points it can be grounded? |
| [20:52:14] | wagnerrp: | although i admit i havent actually tried the onboard in my current MSI |
| [20:52:26] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:52:31] | gbee: | sure it's the audio chipset and not say, the speaker cabling or simply a lack of decent shielding in the drives? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it |
| [20:52:41] | Dagmar: | I've mainly only seen bleedthrough when people use those damn plastic things |
| [20:53:00] | Dagmar: | ...or with Biostar/ECS boards. |
| [20:53:36] | wagnerrp: | now my drives and PSU are all rubber mounted, if that makes a difference |
| [20:54:42] | wagnerrp: | well, rubber/plastic/silicone/other-soft-insulator |
| [20:55:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont hear it so much through the speakers, but i certainly hear it through the headphones |
| [20:56:27] | wagnerrp: | its certainly possible that the headphone cable is insufficiently shielded, and is dangling next to the drive |
| [20:57:10] | wagnerrp: | but that wouldnt explain why i hear nothing with a discrete audio card |
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| [21:13:04] | pheld: | Dibblah: so the duplicate transport-problem is known? I don't need to report it then |
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| [21:15:55] | pheld: | also think I've found an explanation for the other transport problem. Lyngsat specifies 12130kHz for a certain transponder. During scan it is found to really be at 12128kHz so the scanner creates a transport entry for that. It's probably wrong in lyngsat's table. |
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| [21:30:58] | high-rez: | Any of you using vdpau in trunk? I'm seeing"VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'vdpau' not available." when I try to run with it. |
| [21:31:19] | kormoc: | Are you sure it built correctly? |
| [21:32:01] | high-rez: | kormoc: I'm pretty sure it is – there weren't any errors building. |
| [21:32:11] | kormoc: | doesn't mean it was included |
| [21:32:29] | kormoc: | you'll have to verify that the configure output says it was enabled |
| [21:32:31] | GreyFoxx: | make sure to do a distclean |
| [21:33:25] | high-rez: | Cool, will distclean then build again. |
| [21:33:56] | high-rez: | VDPAU support yes <--- should be good this time (distclean and reran configure) |
| [21:34:24] | high-rez: | Are there any problems with 180.06? I had a hard time getting .08 |
| [21:34:34] | GreyFoxx: | you definately want 0.8 |
| [21:34:40] | GreyFoxx: | .08 |
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| [21:38:07] | high-rez: | i must be stupid, i just can't find 180.08 on nvidias website. |
| [21:38:17] | kormoc: | nor would you find .06 |
| [21:38:26] | high-rez: | (06 is actually there : -) |
| [21:38:33] | kormoc: | use the same url, just change the .06 to .08 |
| [21:38:42] | kormoc: | I didn't think they released that publically |
| [21:38:46] | high-rez: | I did – that was my first thought. :) |
| [21:38:49] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1847941 |
| [21:39:02] | high-rez: | Yeah you have to click on "betas" under the download and you'll get 180.06 – but no .08 |
| [21:39:07] | gbee: | there is a good reason why it's not easy to find the beta drivers |
| [21:39:09] | fuxxy: | I'm up to my stupid questions again. I rebuilt mythtv with xvmc enabled, and verfied that my card and my driver both support xvmc. Is there any place to modify xvmc-related settings? When i try to view a video using xvmc, I get wild automatic resolution settings in my log, around 1920xsomething |
| [21:39:17] | GreyFoxx: | Go tthe URL I just posted, you can download it from there |
| [21:39:19] | kormoc: | high-rez, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.08/ |
| [21:39:44] | gbee: | fuxxy: sure the card and driver support xvmc? |
| [21:39:53] | high-rez: | kormoc: Thanks man. |
| [21:40:08] | gbee: | since most newer cards and drivers don't, they ditched xvmc support |
| [21:40:13] | fuxxy: | gbee, I'm pretty darn sure, but remind me how to check, and I'll check again. |
| [21:40:19] | gbee: | and IMHO it's not worth having anyway |
| [21:40:48] | kormoc: | high-rez, clicking beta takes me to the driver search and it's not listed in there for linux |
| [21:41:08] | fuxxy: | gbee, my CPU blows, I need it if i want to watch pretty much anything :) |
| [21:42:09] | gbee: | heh, unless it's a via I'm guessing something that's 15 years old? |
| [21:43:03] | fuxxy: | gbee, P4 2.8Ghz, GeForce FX5200 |
| [21:43:17] | fuxxy: | I can watch SD fine, but HDTV keeps freezing. |
| [21:43:40] | fuxxy: | OTA HDTV, so I dont' think it's H264 |
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| [21:44:17] | gbee: | fuxxy: well that's strange, my Turion 1.6Ghz could manage 1080i mpeg2 without breaking a sweat |
| [21:44:47] | gbee: | and OTA h264 isn't that strange, in fact it's the norm outside North American |
| [21:45:09] | fuxxy: | gbee, i'm over 100% cpu usage in 'top', and iamlindoro says that's to be expected with my CPU. |
| [21:45:20] | fuxxy: | He's the one that suggested xvmc. |
| [21:45:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my 2GHz A64 does just fine |
| [21:45:53] | Dagmar: | fuzzy: XvMC only helps with MPEG-encoded video, not h.264, by the way |
| [21:46:21] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, understood. I'm pretty sure that this is still mpeg2 |
| [21:46:37] | Dagmar: | Well, you can always coax mplayer to tell you using it's CLI invocations |
| [21:47:12] | fuxxy: | that's how I'm pretty sure. |
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| [21:48:01] | gbee: | fuxxy: look at the playback profiles, but none of the devs use xvmc anymore to the best of my knowledge |
| [21:48:09] | gbee: | so it could be broken in trunk |
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| [21:49:00] | fuxxy: | gbee, I havent quite grasped the "trunk" line of thought, but I don't think I'm running trunk. I'm running |
| [21:49:02] | gbee: | but I'm really suprised that a p4 2.8Ghz would choke on mpeg2, not a great advert for Intel |
| [21:49:25] | fuxxy: | media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p19046 |
| [21:49:46] | gbee: | fuxxy: should work in -fixes, guess you need to setup the playback profile |
| [21:50:16] | fuxxy: | gbee, the best I've found on playback profile is picking from one of the 5-ish. CPU-- is supposed to be the one that uses xvmc |
| [21:50:16] | gbee: | and I'll kill the next person who quotes package version numbers :) |
| [21:50:29] | wagnerrp: | ooof... almost had pxe/iscsi working, but i forgot to fix fstab |
| [21:50:43] | wagnerrp: | so it tried to remount root from '/dev/ROOT' |
| [21:50:48] | gbee: | well edit it and find out, sorry I don't use the predefined profiles |
| [21:51:37] | high-rez: | Man, the interface from trunk is prettied up nicely. |
| [21:51:39] | fuxxy: | gbee, watching the frontend log, it *is* trying to use xvmc. xvmc wants to use a whacked out resolution though. |
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| [21:54:12] | gbee: | sorry I can't help |
| [21:54:59] | gbee: | especially not right now since the batteries on this keyboard seem to b |
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| [21:55:23] | fuxxy: | dead. |
| [21:57:54] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [21:58:29] | Dagmar: | Yeah that pretty much sums up why I don't use wireless keyboards on my production stuff |
| [21:58:43] | Dagmar: | When batteries start going it's incredible annoyance. |
| [21:59:09] | fuxxy: | that's the reason I got rid of my wireless keyboard/mouse |
| [21:59:24] | fuxxy: | ooh, it works! |
| [21:59:44] | Dagmar: | I have a wireless keyboard on the PVR in the den, but you betcha I have the battery charger with 4 AA's on tap right next to the couch |
| [21:59:52] | fuxxy: | http://rafb.net/p/An0yGJ54.html |
| [22:00:03] | fuxxy: | ignore the middle, the end is where I switched to an HD channel. |
| [22:00:13] | fuxxy: | 2008-11–30 15:58:35.435 VideoOutputXv: XvMC Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Overlay' |
| [22:00:43] | fuxxy: | Now this is weird. |
| [22:01:07] | fuxxy: | it's a 4:3 format video that's being broadcast in 16:9 |
| [22:01:10] | kormoc: | lines 101–102 is the key |
| [22:01:13] | gbee: | well that sucks, looks like this keyboard doesn't like 1.2v batteries, I'm pretty sure the six I just tried were charged ... those are the only AAAs in the house too |
| [22:01:36] | Dagmar: | Weird. ALl the newer rechargables I've gotten were 1.5v, but then they're for digital cameras. |
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| [22:01:42] | Dagmar: | Perhaps that's what you need to switch to |
| [22:01:45] | fuxxy: | kormoc, no that was still the SD channel. |
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| [22:02:21] | laga: | Dagmar: did it say 1.5v on the box? |
| [22:02:22] | fuxxy: | line 120 was where i tuned the digital channel. |
| [22:02:24] | gbee: | I'm just borrowing this keyboard from the main frontend, doesn't get a lot of use, but having to use non rechargables is a pain |
| [22:02:31] | kormoc: | ugh... |
| [22:02:34] | Dagmar: | laga: And on the batteries, and on my multimeter. |
| [22:02:37] | kormoc: | fuxxy, you should copy and paste in less |
| [22:02:50] | gbee: | can't say I've seen 1.5v rechargables |
| [22:02:50] | Dagmar: | laga: I was pleasantly suprised actually |
| [22:02:52] | fuxxy: | kormoc, sorry. |
| [22:02:59] | kormoc: | so what part in that shows weird resolution changes? |
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| [22:03:04] | laga: | Dagmar: ah. because i've got rechargeables where my multimeter says 1.5v and the box says 1.2V. which is probably right |
| [22:03:11] | fuxxy: | kormoc, it didn't do it anymore, i did some Xorg.conf hacking |
| [22:03:24] | kormoc: | so what's the problem then? |
| [22:03:37] | fuxxy: | No more problem, xvmc works now |
| [22:03:42] | fuxxy: | :) |
| [22:03:50] | Dagmar: | I figured I couldn't go wrong with rechargeables meant explicitly for digital cameras, since they tend to eff up in horrifying ways when the batteries aren't putting out decent power |
| [22:04:07] | fuxxy: | it's a 4:3 format video that's being broadcast in 16:9, so now I've got black bars completely around the screen. |
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| [22:04:30] | fuxxy: | but when they broadcast a widescreen movie, the bars on either side will be gone, but the ones on top and bottom will still be there. |
| [22:04:31] | gbee: | had to lick the old akalines just to keep going for tonight ... guess I'll need to buy a new keyboard sometime this week, this new machine is adding up fast |
| [22:04:39] | fuxxy: | I've still got a 4:3 TV. |
| [22:04:42] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: Well, that's easy enough to sort. Smack W a couple times |
| [22:04:51] | laga: | gbee: lick? |
| [22:04:56] | Dagmar: | There's no way to make that "stick" unfortunately. |
| [22:05:21] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, yeah. It would be nice if it was automagic. |
| [22:05:28] | gbee: | laga: don't know that trick? wet the ends of near dead batteries, gives them a little extra life |
| [22:05:29] | Dagmar: | laga: The "lick 'em and stick 'em" technique for connection repair. |
| [22:05:29] | laga: | Dagmar, fuxxy: there's an autodetection patch |
| [22:05:32] | ** fuxxy points to the wife ** | |
| [22:05:38] | Dagmar: | Generally NOT the thing to do unless you're going to throw the stuff out later. |
| [22:06:03] | laga: | gbee: my inner eye is showing me terrible pictures. geeks licking batteries |
| [22:06:08] | Dagmar: | F**kers used to do that to the headshells on the turntables at the radio station and it made me grind my teeth every time |
| [22:06:26] | fuxxy: | laga, got a guide? |
| [22:06:38] | laga: | fuxxy: no. it's a patch ;) |
| [22:06:45] | gbee: | heh, wasn't taught me by a geek, far from it |
| [22:06:46] | Dagmar: | ...cuz once that dries, the terminals tarnish and work *worse* than before. I used to have to start my shift with a bottle of rubbing alcohol and small bag of Q-Tips each and every week. |
| [22:07:24] | Dagmar: | It took (no kidding) two months for the other DJs that used the turntables to *stop* doing the "lick 'em and stick 'em" thing |
| [22:07:30] | fuxxy: | laga, what's the patch called, just "autodetection patch" ? |
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| [22:07:35] | gbee: | but it does work suprisingly well, depending on the use I've got upwards of 5 minutes extra out of batteries that way |
| [22:07:39] | laga: | fuxxy: yeah.. not sure :) |
| [22:07:46] | Dagmar: | They were all so used to the things being sketched out they'd do it before even seeing if the headshells weren't connecting right. |
| [22:07:49] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, lick is to see if the batts still have juice? or does that extend the life somehow? |
| [22:08:28] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: No, battery terminals ain't exactly the greatest conducting material usually. They're not clean, and they don't make good connections when they're not clean. |
| [22:08:41] | Dagmar: | So, when you lick the things, they'll make a better connection for awhile. A _while_. |
| [22:08:58] | Dagmar: | If you're going to toss them out after, that's fine, but don't do it with rechargables. |
| [22:09:00] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, until they corrode from the salt in saliva? |
| [22:09:04] | Dagmar: | Prtety much. |
| [22:09:38] | Dagmar: | Unless, of course, you've got a lot of alcohol pads around to clean the terminals and the contacts with afterwards |
| [22:11:00] | high-rez: | Welp, crap, I don't get it. I have 180.08 installed, did a distclean, configured (the output of configure says vdpau: yes). But when I go to video videos it says unavailable :( |
| [22:11:42] | Dagmar: | When you go to what? |
| [22:11:53] | Dagmar: | ...and do you have an 8800 card or higher? |
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| [22:12:11] | high-rez: | Dagmar: 8600 GTS. The announce says all 86XX series are supported. |
| [22:12:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah, except their driver selector still says to use the 178.24 driver for Linux |
| [22:12:51] | Dagmar: | ...for that card. |
| [22:13:14] | Dagmar: | I know what the announcements say because I've read them this very week. I just upgraded from an 8600GTS to an 8800GT on my desktop machines. |
| [22:13:42] | Dagmar: | I don't get what you're talking about with the "vdpau" bit tho'. Which configure is saying that? |
| [22:14:10] | kormoc: | myth's |
| [22:14:22] | high-rez: | Dagmar: Myth's. "VDPAU support yes" |
| [22:14:26] | Dagmar: | Ah../. |
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| [22:14:48] | Dagmar: | Amendment to what I said earlier because the selector is playing games with me. Linux should be using 177.82 according to their driver selector |
| [22:15:02] | Dagmar: | What's saying "unavailable"? |
| [22:15:26] | kormoc: | Dagmar, their driver selected doesn't include any of the 180.0x drivers as of now (least for my card, which it does work on fine) |
| [22:15:37] | high-rez: | The frontend... " VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'vdpau' not available." |
| [22:15:50] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That's fine. I was just sayin'. Does Myth get any benefit of using VDPAU tho? |
| [22:15:56] | high-rez: | kormoc: What care are you using? I suspect mine should be well supported. |
| [22:16:03] | high-rez: | s/care/card |
| [22:16:18] | Dagmar: | It's likely this is something fried in X-space. I'm looking at some docs real quick |
| [22:16:19] | kormoc: | Dagmar, aye, issac and a few other devs put in prelim support in, works fairly well |
| [22:16:32] | kormoc: | high-rez, 8400gs |
| [22:16:35] | gbee: | Dagmar: yes – but it's work in progress and won't work with all video |
| [22:16:39] | GreyFoxx: | DAg: still lots of problems, but it does work really well for h264 content |
| [22:16:44] | Dagmar: | Ah... Thanks, gbee |
| [22:16:57] | gbee: | high-rez: what video memory? and are we talking h264? |
| [22:16:57] | high-rez: | kormoc: Ok, that makes me feel better. So I"m going to assume my 8600 should be just fine. |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | it's only been there for a couple of days |
| [22:17:02] | Dagmar: | ...and GreyFoxx |
| [22:17:10] | Dagmar: | high-res: Yeah there's likely nothing wrong with the card |
| [22:17:12] | iamlindoro: | and say what you will, I kinda like the "film grain" in the h264 renderer |
| [22:17:14] | high-rez: | gbee: Just SD mpeg2 so far. It's a 256meg card. |
| [22:17:38] | GreyFoxx: | Dag: One thing I've noticed is that my DVD rips to h264 mkv's I made with handbrake look AMAZING when scaled up |
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| [22:17:46] | gbee: | 1080 h264 requires 512Mb – might change with improvements to the driver, but that seems to be the min just now |
| [22:17:54] | GreyFoxx: | They look like they were ripped from an hdtv source or something. |
| [22:18:12] | gbee: | high-rez: ok, well it's work in progress, extreme beta code so you might just have to wait |
| [22:18:13] | high-rez: | gbee: Serious? Wow. That's quite hefty. |
| [22:18:15] | GreyFoxx: | much better looking than when played back normally |
| [22:18:38] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: 512 MB on any of the supported cards is pretty low end |
| [22:18:44] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: THat would probably be more due to the fact that Handbrake is the one tool that DOESN'T seem to be afflicted with some sort of venerial disease |
| [22:18:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro: and I will continue to say that I don't like it ;) |
| [22:19:09] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Heh |
| [22:19:33] | Dagmar: | Some of these other transcoding kits I wonder if *anyone* actually tests them before they release. |
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| [22:19:49] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Am curious how much of that is selectable inside of their driver-- likely part of the "picture beautification" of purevideo |
| [22:19:58] | Dagmar: | Half the time the things don't produce usable video, and about a third of the time you're lucky to even get a file. |
| [22:20:06] | high-rez: | lindoro: my 8800 in my other PC is only 256 too. I can't imagine what they'd be using all that memory for. |
| [22:20:09] | Dagmar: | Handbrake's the one thing I've had reproducable successes with |
| [22:20:34] | Dagmar: | high-rez: Decoding tables |
| [22:20:37] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: The VDPAU support isn't even remotely optimized, it's more of a tech demo than anything else |
| [22:20:49] | iamlindoro: | In the driver itself, that is |
| [22:20:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro: at the very least if needed we can pull out the decoded frames before they go through the filters and render them ourselves, but I suspect it's a filter option that we can disable |
| [22:21:03] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I should think |
| [22:21:03] | ** tfm is gone. Away after 60000 minutes of inactivity [Since: 11/30/08 23:21:03 CET] ** | |
| [22:21:37] | gbee: | high-rez: the rendering of video frames |
| [22:21:48] | kormoc: | tfm, Thank you very much for the awesome update on your life! We were waiting with bated breath to know what would happen next. Thank you much for enlightening us! |
| [22:22:50] | Dagmar: | What kind of meth can let someone fit 166 hours into a half day |
| [22:23:02] | Dagmar: | ..and I do mean meth, not math. |
| [22:23:09] | iamlindoro: | meth math! |
| [22:23:12] | iamlindoro: | meth time! |
| [22:23:13] | kormoc: | the good kind? |
| [22:23:22] | kormoc: | Can't touch this! |
| [22:23:23] | ** kormoc dances ** | |
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| [22:23:39] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I'm not really convinced by the filters, colour and contrast stuff they offer, BBC HD looks pretty damn good to me already and I reckon any attempts to improve it would probably have the opposite effect |
| [22:24:07] | gbee: | the BBC seem very careful to broadcast their stuff in the best possible quality |
| [22:24:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I think it's like the showroom TV... for lots of people BRIGHT KULURS = quality |
| [22:24:41] | kormoc: | gbee, the more tv's sold, the more they get funded, right? |
| [22:24:53] | gbee: | don't get me started on just how bad the 'showroom' presets for my TV are |
| [22:25:03] | iamlindoro: | Just like for lots of people 480i upscaled and stretched on a 1080p display = HDTV |
| [22:25:41] | gbee: | kormoc: heh, no ... the license is per household, doesn't matter how many tvs, how old or new they are |
| [22:26:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:27:35] | gbee: | if you have a TV (or tv receiving equipment) in the house/flat/cardboard box you need a license, but it's a set price with no pro-rata rate on the number of sets |
| [22:28:56] | iamlindoro: | So they realy ought to be encouraging unprotected sex then |
| [22:28:58] | gbee: | only discount is for black and white tvsm although they might have done away with that since people were claiming to have a b/w set when in fact they had 60" plasmas on every wall of the house |
| [22:35:20] | iamlindoro: | gbee: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxyg . . . 4ba506673aed |
| [22:35:43] | iamlindoro: | Looks like noise reduction defaults to 0, wonder if you might like it more if it was up slightly |
| [22:37:31] | gbee: | not sure that's it, since that implies it's not molesting the video and it clearly is, if I remember tomorrow I'll look at what filters we are applying and tweak them one at a time |
| [22:38:23] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, if something *was* introduced, it seem like it would be right around there somewhere |
| [22:38:37] | iamlindoro: | looks like vdpmixer does all the postprocessing |
| [22:39:33] | iamlindoro: | "Chroma format upscaling to 4:4:4" |
| [22:39:40] | iamlindoro: | I myself would be interested in seeing that in action |
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| [22:55:46] | Led-Hed: | 2008-11–30 14:54:59.909 NVP: Video is 3.19337 frames ahead of audio, |
| [22:55:47] | Led-Hed: | doubling video frame interval to slow down. |
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| [22:56:39] | Led-Hed: | I've been getting a lot of these. Could these be causing my frontend to hang? |
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| [22:57:32] | Led-Hed: | also, what is a good deinterlacer for HD playback? |
| [23:01:38] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, There's not really one that's good for HD playback over any other kind of playback, it's more about what you like/the refresh rate of your display/etc. I personally usually set the fallbacks to Linear Blend (since everything can do it) and use an advanced deitnerlace like GreedyDeInt as the primary |
| [23:02:16] | wagnerrp: | the bigger problem is that there are all sorts of different video over hd |
| [23:02:39] | wagnerrp: | sports, and probably news, tend to be filmed 60fps |
| [23:02:55] | wagnerrp: | so either its 720p and you do nothing, or its 1080i and you deint |
| [23:03:06] | wagnerrp: | tv shows are usually 24fps |
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| [23:03:46] | wagnerrp: | so either its telecined and doubled to 720p, or just telecined to 1080i |
| [23:04:06] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, chroma format upscaling to 4:4:4 is not ready yet :) |
| [23:04:12] | iamlindoro__: | breaks VDPAU |
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| [23:04:47] | wagnerrp: | there is an ivtc filter in trunk that would do wonders for 1080i, of course then xv will end up resampling back up to your display rate |
| [23:04:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what it would do for 720p material |
| [23:09:59] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Now this is curious-- Have a couple James Bond Blu-ray films here-- All open with identical MGM/Lion Roaring. A couple *definitely* have the noise added in, and one very very conspicuously doesn't. wonder if it has something to do with the encoding of the sample? They're all h.264 and Profile 4.1. Hmm. |
| [23:10:32] | wagnerrp: | the noise? |
| [23:11:30] | iamlindoro__: | yes, grain/noise |
| [23:11:44] | wagnerrp: | on a hardware player? or through VDPAU? |
| [23:11:47] | iamlindoro__: | VDPAU |
| [23:11:51] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:11:59] | wagnerrp: | video noise, not sound |
| [23:12:06] | iamlindoro__: | correct |
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| [23:14:11] | rhpot1991: | any harmony users around? |
| [23:14:38] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [23:15:27] | rhpot1991: | ok here is the problem I am having with my harmony, I made a custom activity to turn on my tv, set it to pc, turn on the surround sound. When it is all done it does not have my mce input selected as the current device |
| [23:15:47] | rhpot1991: | can't seem to find anything in the program that lets me say use this device when everything is done |
| [23:16:03] | rhpot1991: | everything works fine if I select the device myself |
| [23:17:03] | wagnerrp: | thats because youre no longer using a device, youre using an activity |
| [23:17:55] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: well it behaves otherwise for the watch tv activities, it actually lets the buttons work then |
| [23:18:02] | wagnerrp: | when you built the activity, your settings should have told it that the mce receiver is the primary device |
| [23:18:04] | rhpot1991: | any idea if you can just switch devices then? |
| [23:18:19] | wagnerrp: | and it should have subsequently set up all the buttons to use respective buttons on the mce remote |
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| [23:18:40] | rhpot1991: | ok let met try redoing the activity |
| [23:18:53] | wagnerrp: | gotta go... |
| [23:19:15] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: I did "utility" before, that might be why |
| [23:19:24] | rhpot1991: | ok, I'll give this some more work and see where I get, thanks |
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| [23:27:14] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, in response to the fact that a 512 MB card is probably needed for VDPAU: "So, when VDPAU first came out I bought a 8400GS w/256MB of RAM. I was anxious to try out VDPAU. After installing the new Nvidia driver i was very excited for this to be put in Myth. Reading this post I have a feeling my $20 was wasted." |
| [23:28:01] | iamlindoro__: | So... You bought hardware that was the absolute bare minimum in anticipation of support in a programs that didn't have any, for *twenty dollars*, and now you're angry it won't work right from day one? |
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| [23:34:15] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, I have been using BOBx2 and liked the results, was just wondering if doubling the frame rate could cause video/audio buffer underruns |
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| [23:36:00] | iamlindoro__: | If your system is too slow to manage the double framerate, sure |
| [23:36:23] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, slow as in video card or CPU? |
| [23:36:29] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [23:36:48] | Led-Hed: | both are e5200 @2.5 and have nVidia 7100's |
| [23:37:37] | iamlindoro__: | ok. So? |
| [23:37:46] | Led-Hed: | ? |
| [23:37:50] | iamlindoro__: | ?? |
| [23:38:08] | Led-Hed: | the specs seem adequate |
| [23:38:33] | iamlindoro__: | it would appear not |
| [23:39:01] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: you get it figured out yet? |
| [23:39:05] | Led-Hed: | I dont think my problem is hardware |
| [23:39:18] | iamlindoro__: | hardware is only part of system speed. |
| [23:39:37] | Led-Hed: | and the other part? |
| [23:39:53] | wagnerrp: | bcak |
| [23:39:57] | iamlindoro__: | software, shockingly enough |
| [23:40:16] | ** Led-Hed was expecting something else ** | |
| [23:40:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont seem to have the harmony software installed on this machine... |
| [23:41:50] | Led-Hed: | well I've tested the hardware quite a bit in both windows and linux seems stable and capable of handeling HD, but occasionally it just hangs and drops back to the myth menus. |
| [23:42:18] | Led-Hed: | the hangs arent limited to HD contend either. |
| [23:42:19] | iamlindoro__: | So try different deinterlacers, then. And read your logs. |
| [23:42:33] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, thats the problem |
| [23:42:37] | iamlindoro__: | myth will almost invariably tell you when things are broken |
| [23:42:57] | Led-Hed: | I'm just bad at interpreting the logs |
| [23:43:20] | Led-Hed: | FE's are logging with -v important,audio,playback |
| [23:43:22] | iamlindoro__: | we're not |
| [23:43:40] | iamlindoro__: | catch it doing so on a frontend and backend log and share them in here |
| [23:43:50] | iamlindoro__: | we're probably be able to get to the bottom of it right quick |
| [23:43:52] | Led-Hed: | trying. |
| [23:43:52] | iamlindoro__: | er we'll |
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| [23:44:09] | Led-Hed: | it happens so randomly that its hard to catch |
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| [23:45:36] | wagnerrp: | awesome, i managed to deadlock tar |
| [23:46:10] | iamlindoro__: | That was the end of many a wolly mammoth/saber-toothed tiger |
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| [23:46:17] | iamlindoro__: | er wooly |
| [23:46:35] | wagnerrp: | well its the current dead of my backend |
| [23:46:35] | iamlindoro__: | the ol' deadlock tar |
| [23:46:50] | wagnerrp: | its getting sucked into the black abyss |
| [23:46:53] | iamlindoro__: | This is back when tar was closed-source |
| [23:47:02] | iamlindoro__: | GOO/tar |
| [23:47:24] | Led-Hed: | are all the deinterlacers multithreaded? |
| [23:47:24] | iamlindoro__: | GOO = Grabs Other Organisms |
| [23:47:36] | iamlindoro__: | none of the deinterlacers are multithreaded AFAIK |
| [23:48:07] | Led-Hed: | sux, I have a multicore CPU and cant seem to use the 2nd core. |
| [23:48:39] | Led-Hed: | My HD is MPEG and from what I've been told ffmpeg isnt multithreaded either |
| [23:49:04] | iamlindoro__: | ffmpeg as a whole isn't multithreaded or non-multithreaded, the codecs are |
| [23:49:13] | iamlindoro__: | h.264 has multithreaded decode, MPEG-2 does not |
| [23:49:22] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
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| [23:55:08] | Led-Hed: | I have bob set on my famlyroom FE, but the logs report fps = 30.09, in my bedroom FE with BOB enabled the logs report fps = 60.39 |
| [23:55:48] | Led-Hed: | shouldn't they both be ~60 fps |
| [23:57:23] | iamlindoro__: | not with normal bob. With 2x, that relies on the display device to be capable of displaying double the frame rate per second and will fall back if it's not |
| [23:58:09] | Led-Hed: | so the FE thats reporting 30 fps the TV isnt capable |
| [23:58:28] | iamlindoro__: | It would appear so |
| [23:58:33] | Led-Hed: | humm |
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