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Thursday, November 27th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:46] Tapout: I've got a nfusion nvhd .. but i wanted to setup another hd box fta :)
[00:00:59] Tapout: i'll just keep to the nfusion's recording
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[00:03:26] mzb_d800: I'm having issues with mythshutdown/welcome:
[00:03:57] mzb_d800: I can hibernate my SBE manually and wake it up OK
[00:04:08] mzb_d800: (manually)
[00:04:17] justinh: Tapout: if you're talking FTA HDTV just get a FTA tuner card for your machine
[00:04:23] justinh: or 2.. or 3..
[00:04:49] iamlindoro__: justinh, Sounds more like *cough* *wink* *nudge* YARRRRR "FTA" based on the box he's got
[00:05:00] justinh: argghhh
[00:05:10] mzb_d800: if I restart mythtv-backend on the MBE, the SBE is woken, but the SBE is never put to sleep.
[00:05:22] mzb_d800: (it has no recordings scheduled at all)
[00:05:44] mzb_d800: if I run mythwelcome, the SBE is shutdown (with halt) rather than hibernate.
[00:06:00] mzb_d800: There are NO "halt" settings in the database.
[00:06:07] mzb_d800: What am I doing wrong?
[00:06:22] mzb_d800: (I'd prefer not to be running mythwelcome at this point anyway)
[00:06:53] mzb_d800: Note: the SBE has all the tuners, the MBE has all the storage.
[00:07:07] Tapout: justinh, :)
[00:07:29] mzb_d800: note2: I can't get the SBE to resume after a halt.
[00:08:03] justinh: mzb_d800: sounds icky
[00:08:15] mzb_d800: that's one word for it ;)
[00:08:15] iamlindoro__: In fact, looks like this "nfusion" outfit is in the business of supplying their customers with keys, naught naughty
[00:10:19] mzb_d800: There is also no reference to "halt" in the mythshutdown source. I can't tell where it's coming from.
[00:11:27] mzb_d800: to make it even worse, livetv doesn't seem to class as "in use" (from what I can tell so far)
[00:12:27] Dagmar: It's calling shutdown -h most likely
[00:13:20] mzb_d800: I'm pretty sure it's calling halt
[00:14:00] abqjp: It calls whatever the DB tells it to...
[00:14:05] Dagmar: But you can't find where that's set.
[00:14:09] Dagmar: Wonder why that might be
[00:14:15] Dagmar: Check the wiki.
[00:15:26] mzb_d800: I have, without success
[00:15:39] mzb_d800: there are no mentions of halt or shutdown settings in the db
[00:15:50] mzb_d800: I've replaced them with "sudo hibernate"
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[00:16:39] mzb_d800: in the case of the MBE, I've even gone as far as using a dummy hibernate script (I don't want the MBE to shutdown)
[00:17:33] mzb_d800: correction: there are no "halt" or "shutdown" settings for ServerHaltCommand (or anything similar)
[00:17:34] Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup
[00:18:16] Dagmar: Seems like there's a mythshutdown program you were unable to find out about
[00:18:35] Dagmar: ...and the search term I used was simply "wake".
[00:18:43] Dagmar: Fourth hit.
[00:18:50] Dagmar: s'okay. Search engines are bitches.
[00:19:19] kormoc_: Dagmar, http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/
[00:19:35] Dagmar: kormoc: No seriously, I figured this would be a bitch to look up
[00:20:24] Dagmar: That URL is *nice* tho
[00:20:28] Dagmar: It'll come in handy later
[00:20:31] Dagmar: Thanks
[00:20:33] jm|laptop: 660MB mpeg-2 to 208MB lavc avi sound about right?
[00:21:07] kormoc_: Dagmar, you should send a query to it, it's amusing
[00:21:48] mzb_d800: Dagmar: I'm familiar with that page, thanks. However it does not mention the shutdown command used.
[00:21:58] Dagmar: I did send a query to it. That animation is awesome
[00:22:12] Dagmar: mzb_d800: It mentions that it calls *mythshutdown*
[00:22:12] iamlindoro__: about right for what? For a Thursday? For pressing to DVD and selling on a Shanghai streetcorner? For watching on you iPod?
[00:22:19] Dagmar: Lemme spell it out for you...
[00:23:00] iamlindoro__: If the question was "to be perceptually lossless from the original," then no. Not unless you're Helen Keller. Lossy transcodes == loss no matter HOW fancy the codec
[00:23:19] Dagmar: If there's a command being added which very nearly replaces the OS-supplied version, which does a very specific and small set of things there's no reason to expect that it is configurable.
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[00:23:33] justinh: hahaha I love that site kormoc_
[00:24:08] Dagmar: It's rather likely a wrapper which only calls shutdown with very few but key checks for the odd case where `shutdown` might not be available (although I doubt it goes that far)
[00:24:25] Dagmar: ...and I'm serious. If the command were configurable, there'd be no need for the binary.
[00:24:26] justinh: now I need to use it to find out how to tie hdds to UUIDs
[00:24:46] Dagmar: lsuuid I've been told, but I was told bloody wrong
[00:25:16] Dagmar: I think uuids go to filesystems, and not hdd's anyway
[00:26:13] mzb_d800: thanks for the spelling lesson, but I fail to see how it addresses any of the issues I've mentioned (lack of caffeine?)
[00:26:22] Dagmar: Probably. Snag some coffee.
[00:26:32] wagnerrp: any suggestion on what livecd to use for fixing windows?
[00:26:43] wagnerrp: i offered to clear out all the cruft on my uncles computer tomorrow
[00:26:46] Dagmar: You need to stare at how mythshutdown works and ignore whatever settings you saw in the database.
[00:27:05] wagnerrp: just for backup, if i cant fix things from within windows
[00:27:05] Dagmar: You're assuming that just because something appears in the database that it's still being used, or was ever used at all.
[00:27:14] Dagmar: The 0.x version number would indicate these things to not necessarily be true.
[00:27:23] mzb_d800: hmm
[00:27:35] justinh: well that wasn't too hard :)
[00:27:53] mzb_d800: mythshutdown is calling /sbin/poweroff depending on the shutdownmode
[00:28:17] Dagmar: Now you're getting somewhere.
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[00:30:36] mzb_d800: if I understand this correctly: QString poweroffCmd =
[00:30:36] mzb_d800: gContext->GetSetting("MythShutdownPoweroff", "/sbin/poweroff");
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[00:30:57] Dagmar: Wow that looks entirely useless
[00:31:15] aarcane: what window manager do you people reccomend? fluxbox has an annoying bar at the bottom of the tevelision :(
[00:31:17] Dagmar: Not you pasting it, but to go to that trouble to specify the path
[00:31:31] Dagmar: aarcane: Unless you're using an external player, you don't need one.
[00:31:46] Dagmar: aarcane: If Myth is the only thing running, it can't lose focus, basically, so you don't need a WM at all.
[00:31:53] aarcane: Dagmar, I'm using mythvideo and mythgame both of which have external players.
[00:31:56] GreyFoxx: aar: I use XFCE and icewm
[00:32:09] wagnerrp: evilwm, i think
[00:32:18] Dagmar: aarcane: Blackbox is slightly simpler than fluxbox, but you can get rid of the bar on either
[00:32:27] Dagmar: twm ftw
[00:32:34] justinh: there we go. new mysql server up & running &allowing remote logins
[00:32:39] wagnerrp: yeah, evil
[00:33:21] aarcane: I had issues with evilwm.. it caused the focus to sometimes just not switch..
[00:33:55] justinh: right now I'm questioning why the hell I always build mythtv from source
[00:34:32] justinh: I should learn how to build packages for a given target arch
[00:34:48] justinh: then at least I could use my fastest machine for all the compilering
[00:38:41] mzb_d800: MythContext::GetSetting tells me that /sbin/poweroff is simply the default command ... which suggests (to me) that if I set MythShutdownPoweroff command in the database it should do what I want.
[00:38:51] mzb_d800: would that be the correct keyname?
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[00:39:30] Dagmar: mythshutdown --help
[00:39:49] Dagmar: I'm going to try not to think about why the hell that's linked to Qt.
[00:41:24] mzb_d800: sorry, that doesn't help (been there;)
[00:42:02] mzb_d800: (and the return status is another issue ... I'll get to that once I get the SBE hibernating rather than halting)
[00:45:10] mzb_d800: it appears that _none_ of the keys that mythshutdown checks for are defined in my database (yet)
[00:49:20] mzb_d800: I've inserted separate MythShutdownPoweroff values for MBE and SBE, we'll see what happens ;)
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[00:59:52] mzb_d800: nope ... still running halt
[01:00:10] mzb_d800: (on both)
[01:00:48] mzb_d800: http://openpaste.org/en/9396/
[01:01:10] mzb_d800: (log from MBE)
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[01:02:06] mzb_d800: followed of course by:
[01:02:10] mzb_d800: 2008-11–27 11:56:58.697 Slave backend: tuner.lan no longer connected
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[01:02:17] mzb_d800: (the SBE)
[01:03:13] ** jm|laptop maybe needs a new aerial **
[01:05:58] mzb_d800: pita: now I have to go under the house to turn the tuner back on :|
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[01:11:14] jm|laptop: Deadlock detected. One buffer is full when the other is empty! Aborting
[01:11:15] jm|laptop: wtf
[01:11:19] ** jm|laptop googles **
[01:13:17] iamlindoro__: Ah, good old bug 2077
[01:13:27] jm|laptop: .... wut?
[01:13:35] iamlindoro__: "Ah, good old bug 2077"
[01:13:41] jm|laptop: lol
[01:13:47] jm|laptop: I wish I hadn't laughed at that :/
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[01:14:52] iamlindoro__: You might note from my having committed it to memory that I have more than a passing acquaintance with it. In short, sucks to be you/me/us, hope you're not that interested in transcoding it with mythtranscode.
[01:15:11] jm|laptop: heh
[01:15:15] jm|laptop: I'll find a workaround I guess
[01:15:16] iamlindoro__: mpeg2cut2 + wine = the best solution in these cases.
[01:15:23] jm|laptop: ick ew
[01:15:24] jm|laptop: ok
[01:15:47] iamlindoro__: read all of 2077. Most of the helpful hints in there are by me, so trust me when I say that what I just mentioned is the best current colution
[01:16:01] jm|laptop: I didn't doubt you
[01:16:16] iamlindoro__: As it has existed for some time and shows no sign of being fixed soon if ever
[01:16:31] mzb_d800: hmm... ServerHaltCommand, default is /sbin/halt ... appears 3 times in the source! grrr
[01:16:34] jm|laptop: briefly what causes it?
[01:17:17] iamlindoro__: streams with negative PTS (invalid timestamps) and mythtranscode having no method of dealing with it (and it shouldn't have to, but the only way it'll ever get fixed will be if it does)
[01:18:04] iamlindoro__: so one buffer fills up and the other one doesn't know what to do with what's in it, and chokes
[01:18:15] mzb_d800: as well as: HaltCommand ... sigh
[01:19:14] justinh: oh dear gawd
[01:19:23] justinh: my rsync is getting almost 3MB.sec
[01:20:04] mzb_d800: which is odd ... I've got ServerHaltCommand defined for the SBE ... I'll try hostname=NULL
[01:21:11] mzb_d800: (and now go out into the rain to restart the SBE ... *sob*)
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[01:24:41] justinh: how the hell is that rsync so slow?
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[01:26:29] iamlindoro__: gajillions of small files?
[01:26:40] fuxxy: I deleted all of my capture cards, and I plan on setting them up again. The point is to wipe out the list of saved channels. Would it be wise to wipe the "channel" table in mysql as well?
[01:26:43] jm|laptop: ssh overhead
[01:26:46] Dagmar: Not enough cheese error.
[01:27:25] justinh: iamlindoro far from it. big files
[01:27:34] Dagmar: fuxxy: There's a "nuke everything" option in mythtv-setup dude. You should use it.
[01:27:40] justinh: maybe just a cp -Rv then
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[01:27:50] iamlindoro__: pRv
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[01:28:21] jm|laptop: treacle bacon with cheese sandwich "midnight" snack ++
[01:28:27] fuxxy: Dagmar, I dont' want to wipe the database, I've got lots of recordings I want to keep. I'm just trying to rebuild my channel list. "Nuke Everything" would be the "Delete all capture cards" option?
[01:28:34] Dagmar: Yes.
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[01:29:05] Dagmar: crap that reminds me that I need to buy a paring knife
[01:29:40] fuxxy: Dagmar, I have done that already. It didn't wipe the channel list.
[01:30:07] jm|laptop: dog is NOT happy he didn't get any
[01:30:39] Dagmar: Hmm... Weird
[01:31:15] fuxxy: Dagmar, I had to delete all video sources. That seemed to do the trick.
[01:32:06] Dagmar: I've just always nuked the lot
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[01:32:24] Chicago: Hello
[01:32:54] fuxxy: When i go to LiveTV, my digital tuner always comes up first. I want the analog tuner to come up first, but I want the digital tuner to have a higher priority on recordings. Is this possible?
[01:34:43] Dagmar: Far as I know it is
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[01:35:24] fuxxy: ahh, I think I see what's happening.
[01:35:28] gizmobay: Yes
[01:35:53] fuxxy: Does the order in which the tuners appear in mythtv-setup have anything to do with it?
[01:35:55] Piper69: ld: final link failed: No space left on device this is what i am getting when i do make install
[01:36:14] fuxxy: Piper69, is your filesystem full?
[01:36:18] gizmobay: Yes, it'll try to record off the first tuner first
[01:36:19] jm|laptop: :-S
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[01:36:47] fuxxy: gizmobay, so, analog tuner first.
[01:36:50] Piper69: fuxxy: how can i tell , this is a fresh installed
[01:37:17] gizmobay: it'll be listed first
[01:37:19] gizmobay: top
[01:37:26] Piper69: ?
[01:37:51] fuxxy: Piper69, open a shell, and do a 'df -alh'
[01:40:36] Piper69: fuxxy: wtf, my file system is only 259MB and it is all used....however my /home is 65.GB, how can i take some from /home and put it in my fs
[01:40:48] iamlindoro__: heh
[01:40:48] Chicago: Anybody here able to get a ringbuffer using mplayer tv:// or pvr:// on their hauppauge pvr150/500?
[01:41:02] iamlindoro__: by restarting from scratch and not partitioning crazily
[01:41:19] fuxxy: Piper69, how did you set up your partitions? LVM, you're in luck. normal fdisk, you need to reinstall.
[01:42:29] fuxxy: Piper69, you must have used ubuntu's crazy installer?
[01:42:49] Dagmar: Their installer isn't insane.
[01:42:59] iamlindoro__: Ubuntu creates one partition by default.
[01:43:00] Dagmar: If someone told it to use the least amount of space to install, that's *exactly* what it will do.
[01:43:40] Dagmar: Chicago: The "ringbuffer" is long gone.
[01:43:42] iamlindoro__: Mythbuntu creates 10 Gb for / and the remainder for /var IIRC, but even that should be adequate for most.
[01:44:11] Piper69: fuxxy: nope i use Debian
[01:44:18] Piper69: and yes i used fdisk
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[01:44:37] iamlindoro__: Mmmm, wonder if that bed is comfy now that you're sleeping in it
[01:44:47] fuxxy: Piper69, I dont' know your partitioning scheme then. Probably best to reinstall.
[01:44:48] Dagmar: So you managed to make a 259Mb / all by yourself?
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[01:44:51] Dagmar: Congrats.
[01:45:38] Dagmar: There's a utility you could use to resize those partitions, but...
[01:45:43] Dagmar: It's slow.
[01:45:56] Dagmar: You'd probably be better off just blowing away the partition table and starting over.
[01:46:35] Piper69: Dagmar: http://paste.debian.net/22348/
[01:46:54] Dagmar: Piper69: So?
[01:47:12] Dagmar: Were you planning on using partitions 5 and 6?
[01:47:46] iamlindoro__: good god, did you create a partition for every directory off of /?
[01:47:49] Piper69: no
[01:48:13] Piper69: errr noobie
[01:48:23] Dagmar: iamlindoro: No, but I'll show you my fdisk output sometime and then you can say that
[01:48:40] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Hom having 7 partitions on a disk is nothing
[01:48:46] Dagmar: s/Hom/Him/;
[01:49:19] fuxxy: I've got 8 IDE disks in my fileserver.
[01:49:24] fuxxy: :)
[01:49:34] iamlindoro__: fuxxy, So? You're outclassed on that one.
[01:49:40] Dagmar: Piper69: To put it bluntly, an installation with no X, no man pages, and not much at all really, from 1998 will fit in 273Mb of disk space.
[01:49:44] Dagmar: You need to repartition, dude.
[01:50:06] fuxxy: iamlindoro, you have to control every conversation, don't you :)
[01:50:16] Piper69: this mean i will loose it all
[01:50:29] Dagmar: What's to lose?
[01:50:48] Dagmar: If you just installed, it doesn't matter. Anything you had you're about to *reinstall*
[01:50:52] iamlindoro__: I don't seem to have talked diproportionately in the last few minutes... In fact, *you* have spoken more than I have in the last 15 minutes.
[01:50:58] Dagmar: There is *no* "newbie friendly" way to fix what you've done.
[01:51:08] Piper69: i will loose my data if repartition?
[01:51:14] iamlindoro__: yes
[01:51:24] Dagmar: Only on /dev/hda
[01:51:53] iamlindoro__: You'll lose data on whatever disk you repartition on. Whether that's all of them, one of them, whichever way you play it.
[01:51:54] Dagmar: Why did you even try to install in only 273Mb of space?
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[01:52:34] aarcane: hey, oddest thing happened.. mythtv was working fine, then I rebooted, and now I'm getting errors: 2008-11–26 03:41:13.269 DB Error (Clear setting):
[01:52:34] aarcane: Query was:
[01:52:38] aarcane: and there's no query.
[01:53:07] iamlindoro__: aarcane, Is that just the last bit of log, or are there many like it before it?
[01:53:16] Piper69: Dagmar: but will i need to reinstall Debian
[01:53:25] ** Dagmar money's on "it didn't actually reboot, it powered off unexpectedly **
[01:53:35] Dagmar: Piper69: Yeah, so? What's that take, like 20 minutes?
[01:53:38] iamlindoro__: Piper69, yes. You need more space in your /
[01:53:54] aarcane: it's on startup, there are a few just like it, they all just have different values inside the perentesees
[01:53:59] Dagmar: I'm not trying to be a bastard, but I want to be clear about this
[01:54:03] Piper69: aight , will do it
[01:54:07] Dagmar: This is a support channel for MythTV and things relating to that
[01:54:29] Dagmar: Teaching you how to install Linux on a blank hard drive is way in remedial land and something you should probably ask about in #Debian
[01:54:31] aarcane: Dagmar, nope. I rebooted it by hand. and from where I'm sitting, it looks like mythtv lost track of it's queries somehow. mysql is functioning fine.
[01:54:32] iamlindoro__: aarcane, things to check: that the partition containing var is not full, that mythconverg is not corrupt or crashed, and that you didn't do anything with aptitude in the recent past
[01:54:58] Dagmar: aarcane: MythTV _can't_ "lose it's queries"
[01:55:12] Dagmar: There's going to be something more detailed in teh logs than what you pasted.
[01:55:15] Piper69: Dagmar: that why i am building the box for
[01:55:21] Piper69: for MythTV
[01:55:24] Dagmar: Piper69: So?
[01:55:39] aarcane: Dagmar, that's why it's confusing. I didn't change anything before and after the reboot, I've checked every step of the mysql chain, and the problem isn't there.
[01:55:49] Dagmar: You need to read some guides on installing Linux before you EVEN try this
[01:55:50] iamlindoro__: Piper69, that doesn't make us the clearinghouse for all knowledge leading to you having a functioning mythbox.
[01:56:04] Chicago: Dagmar: There's a myth TV wikie article about "Changing channels and watching TV with MPlayer on PVR card."
[01:56:12] Dagmar: Chicago: So?
[01:56:27] Chicago: I would like to update this wiki page with my findings using mplayer 1.0-rc2.
[01:56:39] Dagmar: You're in luck then. It's a wiki.
[01:56:42] mzb_d800: Piper69: use root (et al) LVM ... then you can resize at will
[01:56:50] Chicago: I was seeing MPlayer output "ringbuffer..." earlier which trying to address my pvr150 using the pvr:// and tv:// syntax.
[01:57:03] Dagmar: mzb_d800: You're saying that to someone who has never installed Linux before it seems.
[01:57:11] Chicago: Some things worked beautifully and sometimes the streams aren't demuxing without help.
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[01:57:19] Dagmar: He isn't likely to have a clue about what LVM does or even means.
[01:57:57] mzb_d800: Dagmar: it appears he's running Debian ... so my guess is that Piper69 can read, and most likely read enough to work out for himself.
[01:58:12] aarcane: I just ran tcpdump, and there's no data being sent on port 3306 to mysql.
[01:58:12] mzb_d800: (as opposed to an Ubuntu user)
[01:58:17] Piper69: Dagmar: it was a mistake, i thought to do that , to leave more for mythtv
[01:58:21] Chicago: Dagmar: Do you have a pvr150?
[01:58:22] Dagmar: mzb_d800: He tried to install it in a partition only ~260Mb in size, dude.
[01:58:33] Dagmar: Chicago: No, I have two of them as a PVR500.
[01:58:40] Chicago: I have one PVR500
[01:58:45] mzb_d800: that's probably not from a lack of reading the installation instructions ;)
[01:58:46] iamlindoro__: aarcane, Mythtv on an combined system doesn't use TCP
[01:58:57] Chicago: Dagmar: Do you use ivtv 1.2.0 on linux-2.6.25?
[01:58:59] Piper69: mzb_d800: you saying i can resize instead of re-install
[01:59:01] iamlindoro__: Mysql doesn't, anyway
[01:59:07] Dagmar: mzb_d800: So, how's LVM going to prevent him from doing it wrong in the first place, basically
[01:59:18] Dagmar: mzb_d800: He's all yours now
[01:59:20] mzb_d800: Piper69: no ... only if you have root on LVM to start with
[01:59:24] mzb_d800: thanks Dagmar
[01:59:24] aarcane: iamlindoro__, I know that. it's not a combined system.
[01:59:53] iamlindoro__: aarcane, and did you check the three things I asked you above?
[02:00:19] Dagmar: Chicago: I use whatver shipped out with linux-2.6.26.1
[02:00:30] mzb_d800: Piper69: short hint: partition1 = /boot as ext3 = 256MB (vast!), partition2 as lvm (rest of drive)
[02:00:36] Piper69: Dagmar: sorry man , i didn't know that my questions will piss on your face like this
[02:01:11] Dagmar: Piper69: it's not you. I know you dont know jack or squat and I'm actually fine with that. Lots of people don't know the first thing about Linux.
[02:01:27] shadash: some people are so grumpy
[02:01:29] Dagmar: Piper69: But basically, you're trying to eat a watermelon without slicing it.
[02:01:32] mzb_d800: then put /root (5GB is plenty), swap (try 2 to 2.5 times RAM, 1GB max should be fine), and some for /home ... leave a few GB free (for later;))
[02:02:02] Dagmar: Piper69: IMHO you need to go to #Debian to basically learn how to use a knife, metaphorically speaking
[02:02:13] Dagmar: This isn't something you can "just pick up" in 15 minutes.
[02:02:21] Chicago: Dagmar: On my 2.6.25 machine, this command fails with the error "v4l2: ioctl request buffers failed: Invalid argument". mplayer -tv device=/dev/v4l/video1:normid=10:chanlist=us-cable tv://34
[02:02:21] mzb_d800: Piper69: etch or lenny?
[02:02:39] Chicago: Dagmar: Would you mind trying a variation of that on one of your devices?
[02:02:47] Piper69: mzb_d800: is there is someone talking here in the room, because i think i hear the toilt flushing
[02:02:56] Piper69: mzb_d800: its etch,
[02:02:59] Dagmar: Chicago: I don't use *unbundled* ivtv because your'e generally doing something wrong
[02:03:00] Chicago: Dagmar: I expect MPlayer should being playing back a seekable MPEG-PS.
[02:03:07] Dagmar: Chicago: Use *just* what comes with the kernel.
[02:03:11] Chicago: What do you mean *unbundled*?
[02:03:31] Chicago: I have CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m in my kernel.
[02:03:34] Chicago: Is that what you mean?
[02:03:34] Piper69: mzb_d800: its fine , i will reinstall it again !
[02:03:49] Dagmar: You're talking about ivtv-1.2.0, which leads me to believe you got a tarball from ivtvdriver.org
[02:03:51] aarcane: iamlindoro__, it's one big 40 gig filesystem that is not full, I don't have aptitude installed, and every table in the database reports OK.
[02:04:11] mzb_d800: Piper69: I can't recall the state of LVM in the etch installer, you might want to try lenny
[02:04:23] mzb_d800: (netinst perhaps)
[02:04:24] Chicago: Dagmar: No, rather the kernel and the ivtv package are the Gentoo provided packages.
[02:04:30] Dagmar: You *DON'T* need that, and basically the best-case scenario that can come from that is that you wind up getting a working system. There's a *sizeable* space of possibility that what you willl get is NOT a working system tho
[02:05:00] Dagmar: Now, on the other hand, I don't use Mplayer, so no I will not run it
[02:05:09] mzb_d800: you might want to read a little background on LVM to get an idea of how it works
[02:05:51] Piper69: mzb_d800: thank you, but nothing really important and will reinstall
[02:05:52] Chicago: Dagmar: ffmpeg and mencoder seem to be able to process my pvr500 just fine... and I can pipe between ffmpeg and mencoder... the last piece of my problem is the mplayer output...
[02:06:16] Chicago: Anybody else want to troubleshoot a pvr500 problem with mplayer on their 2.6.25 kernel?
[02:06:17] mzb_d800: good luck (slight learning curve ahead;)
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[02:06:25] Dagmar: Okay, see, there's way too many pieces involved in that equation, which makes me even _less_ interested in getting involved
[02:06:49] Chicago: Yeah, but those pieces are all removed from the current problem.
[02:07:05] Dagmar: So you have an mplayer problem.
[02:07:19] Dagmar: I give up.
[02:07:21] jams: perhaps the 160ish people in mplayer could help with your mplayer problem.
[02:07:29] Dagmar: http://www.rif.org must be down or something.
[02:08:53] Piper69: mzb_d800: which distro you are using
[02:09:04] Dagmar: I wonder do these people go to college and just show up in whatever classroom is handy and expect their professors to do the lectures there
[02:09:47] iamlindoro__: jams, "But it's for my mythbox!"
[02:09:59] Dagmar: ...or do they ask what the hell statistical analysis of migratory patterns of african fauna have to do with japanese literature...
[02:10:29] iamlindoro__: jams, just like all that advice we give give on electrical wiring and home improvement when the rooms are to *house* mythboxen
[02:10:57] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Actually, when it's something that can be expressed in 3–4 sentences we *do* do that with electrical wiring.
[02:11:00] Dagmar: Or at least I do.
[02:11:08] Dagmar: None of this is 3–4 sentence material tho.
[02:11:20] Dagmar: 3–4 hour lectures, maybe.
[02:12:49] aarcane: okay, so I've tested connecting to mythtv from the mythtv user using the mythtv username and password.. and it works fine. mythtv just refuses to connect to mysql for some reason, and I can't for the life of me debug it.
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[02:13:35] gizmobay: aarcane are you trying to connect remotely
[02:14:08] aarcane: gizmobay, yes, and I've already established that I CAN connect remotely using the mysql command line and the same info I provided to mythtv.
[02:15:45] gizmobay: from the remote box, mysql -u username -p -h I.P.Num works?
[02:15:57] aarcane: -h hostname, and yes.
[02:16:49] gizmobay: I just set up a remote connecting frontend. Do you have a firewall on the backend box?
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[02:18:31] aarcane: gizmobay, not yet. I wasn't planning to put one in until it's all configured, as it's on a private subnet.
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[02:19:59] gizmobay: aarcane, you said it was working before?
[02:20:16] aarcane: gizmobay, yes. only thing that changed was the uptime when I rebooted.
[02:20:42] Dagmar: The last time you ran it, did you *manually start* things, or did you do a "cold boot test".
[02:20:53] aarcane: this was the cold boot test.
[02:20:59] Dagmar: A "cold boot test" being when you start the machine by pushing the power button and it does *everything else* on it's own.
[02:21:51] aarcane: HAHA, Victory
[02:22:11] gizmobay: did you try to telnet to the port?
[02:22:21] gizmobay: 6543
[02:22:46] gizmobay: you figured it out?
[02:22:50] aarcane: mythbackend wasn't started despite being in the DAEMONS array because mysql wasn't in the daemons array, and my distro's default init script won't run mythbackend without mysql. I'ma go file a bug report.
[02:23:02] ** kormoc_ blinks **
[02:23:13] kormoc_: what distro uses a 'DAEMONS' array to hold startup info
[02:23:33] kormoc_: Or did I fall into a parallel universe where sysv never existed?
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[02:23:40] aarcane: kormoc_, it's insanely much simpler than the symlink system in debian.
[02:24:08] kormoc_: symlink the init script into the runlevel it runs in? doesn't seem that complex...
[02:24:56] aarcane: kormoc_, or since most systems just use 2 identical runlevels, one with an XDM running, just use a daemons array and be done with it.
[02:25:48] aarcane: anyway, it works now, so thank you :)
[02:26:11] aarcane: out of curiosity, why won't the frontend work without the backend, it's not like I'm watching real television on it..
[02:26:44] kormoc_: the backend provides the connection info if you're using UPnP discovery
[02:27:18] gizmobay: on the remote box?
[02:27:38] jams: kormoc_ there are a couple out there that use the rc.conf approach.
[02:29:14] aarcane: kormoc_, UPnP discovery uses avahi ?
[02:31:29] wagnerrp: its funny... time warner advertises internet that 'blows dsl out of the water', when in fact the local phone company is faster
[02:32:01] kormoc_: aarcane, no, it uses UPnP, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play
[02:32:33] aarcane: what they mean is that if you have both, then the line noise from their cable wires will slow your DSL to a crawl.
[02:33:59] aarcane: kormoc_, avahi is the linux UPnP daemon.
[02:34:28] iamlindoro__: No it's not.
[02:34:39] iamlindoro__: Avahi is the open zeroconf implementation.
[02:34:47] aarcane: oh, my bad.
[02:34:47] kormoc_: aarcane, no, avahi is a linux/bsd zeroconf daemon, namely implementing IPv4LL, mDNS and DNS-SD
[02:36:14] ** aarcane stands corrected. **
[02:36:32] aarcane: thank you guys, I'll be poofing now :)
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[02:38:17] squish102: wagnerrp what does the locat phone company offer?
[02:38:31] wagnerrp: phone company does 10mbit, cable does 8
[02:39:48] squish102: wish i had that at a reasonable price
[02:40:46] squish102: actually this is probably the ultimate http://paxio.net/home.php?link=Internet symmetrical speeds
[02:42:30] iamlindoro__: Their fiber loop is about 500 Meters from my condo
[02:42:46] iamlindoro__: dropped them a line about lighting up the complex and was supposedly to hear from them, but never did
[02:43:04] iamlindoro__: Don't think they can afford to expand outside of planned communities in this economy
[02:43:28] wagnerrp: i wonder what their oversell rate is
[02:44:07] iamlindoro__: "Your location is close to our existing fiber and also an area we are looking to expand to. To help us move the process forward, we are hoping you can share your desire for fiber optics with your neighbors."
[02:44:18] iamlindoro__: From the e-mail I got from their VP of sales
[02:44:52] iamlindoro__: they also do DirecTV via Fiber, interestingly
[02:49:32] iamlindoro__: trying to find the map of their service area, it's pretty tiny
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[03:39:55] larzen: folks.. what could cause mythtv not to see my video0 video1 pvr500?
[03:40:02] larzen: when I go to setup it doesnt show me the cards
[03:40:21] larzen: but the cards work because i can cat video and play back the mpg perfectly
[03:40:55] larzen: could it be a user permission issue?
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[03:45:00] clever: larzen: try to cat the devices from the mythtv user then
[03:46:13] jams: assuming that mythbackend runs as the user mythtv
[03:47:29] larzen: yep it was a permissions issue ;)
[03:48:09] larzen: btw.. if i want to transcode my recorded shows from mpg->xvid.avi (layer-4) using mencoder ... where do i set that up?
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[03:58:50] t0ny-p40: Is it normal from a dct6200 box have sd content look like its is heavily compressed?
[03:59:08] t0ny-p40: I've seen youtube videos that look better.
[04:00:20] t0ny-p40: err dct6412
[04:00:37] iamlindoro__: Box has nothing to do with it, the box just displays what it gets. If it's low quality, it started that way at your broadcaster.
[04:01:01] iamlindoro__: Digital in, decode, blit.
[04:02:19] t0ny-p40: The one we have in the living room has a way better picture.
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[04:02:41] t0ny-p40: I'll upload a picture in a bit.
[04:02:45] iamlindoro__: Maybe have a faulty box, then. May also be using different outputs.
[04:02:56] t0ny-p40: HD content look good.
[04:03:20] iamlindoro__: but the box itself has no control whatsoever over the quality of the material it receives.
[04:03:23] t0ny-p40: I've tried hdmi and competent.
[04:03:37] iamlindoro__: ah, competent, something we see so little of around here.
[04:03:46] t0ny-p40: errr
[04:03:53] t0ny-p40: stupid speel chekers!
[04:03:54] t0ny-p40: lol
[04:04:16] t0ny-p40: *component
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[04:14:56] CCFL_Man: iamlindoro__: i am very competent
[04:16:47] t0ny-p40: Ok, I got my other box and its still looks compressed but not as bad.
[04:17:30] wagnerrp: youre talking about the image directly out of the box?
[04:17:45] wagnerrp: not filtered through an analog capture card and myth
[04:17:52] t0ny-p40: yes
[04:18:05] t0ny-p40: I'm going to try to see if I can get firewire working next.
[04:22:34] t0ny-p40: Cable one over compresses hd :/
[04:22:53] wagnerrp: some do, anyway
[04:22:57] wagnerrp: depends on your provider
[04:22:57] t0ny-p40: I dont think I'm going to pay $15 a month for it.
[04:25:16] iamlindoro__: "<t0ny-p40> HD content look good."
[04:25:28] iamlindoro__: <t0ny-p40> Is it normal from a dct6200 box have sd content look like its is heavily compressed?
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[04:25:39] iamlindoro__: And here we are 25 minutes later...
[04:25:45] iamlindoro__: <t0ny-p40> Cable one over compresses hd :/
[04:25:53] iamlindoro__: How times change
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[04:26:40] t0ny-p40: take a look http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/30726/sd-compression.jpg
[04:27:08] t0ny-p40: iamlindoro__ I was talking compared to SD
[04:27:16] wagnerrp: thats not compressed
[04:27:24] wagnerrp: thats just complete garbage
[04:27:38] t0ny-p40: What would cause that?
[04:27:44] t0ny-p40: Just a bad box?
[04:27:49] iamlindoro__: No, that's definitely macroblocking.
[04:27:52] iamlindoro__: Compression.
[04:28:05] iamlindoro__: Looks like rain on a river?
[04:28:26] t0ny-p40: Yes
[04:28:27] iamlindoro__: The squares are most assuredly macroblocks, which are compression artifacts.
[04:28:27] wagnerrp: well i do see macroblocking, but those vertical lines?
[04:28:39] iamlindoro__: That's taking a picture of a tube screen with a digital camera
[04:28:40] t0ny-p40: I can see little boxes.
[04:28:54] t0ny-p40: Maybe 16x16 like wikipedia said.
[04:29:14] iamlindoro__: 8x8
[04:29:16] t0ny-p40: Our other box does it but not as nearly as bad.
[04:29:51] iamlindoro__: Are both screens the same display resolution?
[04:29:56] t0ny-p40: Yes
[04:30:03] iamlindoro__: using identical inputs
[04:30:06] t0ny-p40: One is lcd and my new one is plasma.
[04:30:32] t0ny-p40: I have not tried component on the lcd.
[04:30:49] t0ny-p40: But it does it with both lcd and component on my plasma.
[04:30:51] iamlindoro__: anyway, that's what the squares are, compression artifacts.
[04:30:59] iamlindoro__: 8x8 macroblocks
[04:31:22] CCFL_Man: t0ny-p40: your cable provider is trying to fit 10000 channels on their system, and to do that, they need to compress the crap out of things
[04:31:37] CCFL_Man: thats what cable poroviders do
[04:31:52] wagnerrp: except they really only try to fit in a couple hundred
[04:31:56] CCFL_Man: they figure people with SD service won't care about picture quality
[04:32:06] t0ny-p40: CCFL_Man, only one of my boxes looks really bad. Other is ok.
[04:32:11] wagnerrp: and they recompress their HD streams too
[04:32:12] iamlindoro__: And the problem isn't the number of channels, it's the 80-some analog channels taking up massive bandwidth
[04:32:17] clever: t0ny-p40: switch the 2 boxes then
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[04:32:24] CCFL_Man: t0ny-p40: you sure?
[04:32:25] clever: see if the problem stays with the 'bad box'
[04:32:48] CCFL_Man: wagnerrp: it was an exaguration, but yes
[04:32:52] wagnerrp: that sounds like one of the boxes has some poor scalers
[04:33:06] wagnerrp: assuming you are connecting the boxes with an HD format
[04:33:07] CCFL_Man: pizza dish services do the same
[04:33:09] t0ny-p40: I'm going to demand they have a tech bring me a new box. I'm not going to drive down there and wait for another hour. :/
[04:33:25] clever: t0ny-p40: switch the 2 boxes then
[04:33:29] CCFL_Man: t0ny-p40: i'd be very forceful
[04:34:04] clever: to see if its realy the box
[04:34:21] CCFL_Man: shame c band service uses a crappy, expensive, large, power hungry, limited digicipher II receiver such as the dsr-922
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[04:34:50] t0ny-p40: I wonder if they are going to be closed tomorrow.
[04:35:03] CCFL_Man: more than likely
[04:35:14] Lexridge: digicipher IIs are still in use....holy crap!!!
[04:35:27] Lexridge: I haven't seen one of those in YEARS!!
[04:35:32] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i use the commercial ones
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[04:35:53] Lexridge: I used too, for our CBS network feeds. That was years ago.
[04:36:12] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: the national feeds?
[04:36:30] Lexridge: yea, well, regional actually. I work for a CBS affiliate.
[04:36:37] Lexridge: and for CBS NewsPath.
[04:36:52] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: you guys use mpeg4 receivers now, no?
[04:37:38] CCFL_Man: i couldn't find the cbs national feeds on lyngsat
[04:37:39] Lexridge: We are still installing them ATM. Well, I use "we" loosely. The chief engineer has been installing them this week. Not sure it they are mpeg4 or not, but they run at 35Mb/s
[04:38:09] CCFL_Man: the national feed is encrypted?
[04:39:00] Lexridge: Dunno. Like I said, the decrypters went long ago. I'd say the receivers themselves now have it built in, but that is just guessing.
[04:39:10] CCFL_Man: i'm looking for a first generation signal
[04:39:17] CCFL_Man: ahh
[04:39:47] Lexridge: CBS triditionally encrypts their signal from sat.
[04:40:21] CCFL_Man: why don't they want regular people watching their national signal?
[04:40:35] Lexridge: first with the cibercypher I then the II model, then I'd guess built in after that.
[04:40:42] Lexridge: It's all because of copyrights per region.
[04:41:26] Lexridge: The commercials they insert are regional. They don't want you seeing ads meant for someone else basically...not to mention the owners of the shows don't want you watching as well.
[04:41:46] Lexridge: There is not a so called "national feed" it's all regional
[04:42:04] CCFL_Man: the cbs affiliate rebroadcasts the national signal with inserted commercials
[04:43:02] CCFL_Man: oh
[04:43:04] Lexridge: no, we receive a signal that is meant for the northeast with commercials already inserted (except for locals, of course). There are separate feeds for SouthEast, MidWest, Mountain West and West.
[04:43:26] CCFL_Man: oh
[04:43:58] Lexridge: There are genearlly two feeds for each region, on two different sats. One is a backup
[04:44:02] CCFL_Man: so like 6 or so regional feeds
[04:44:08] Lexridge: something like that
[04:44:08] CCFL_Man: ahh
[04:45:18] Lexridge: Sometimes you can get an unencrypted raw feed, without any commercials, but that is rare
[04:45:37] Lexridge: generally only during live events, such as sports or presidential speeches.
[04:46:43] Lexridge: If you can find any raw news broadcast feed, they are generally quite entertaining to watch. :)
[04:47:29] Lexridge: but you have to be able to watch a fractional transponder with exact frequency dial in to do this. I don't know if modern home C-Band receivers can do this.
[04:47:44] CCFL_Man: you can
[04:47:52] Lexridge: okay
[04:47:55] CCFL_Man: blind scanning on a dvb receiver
[04:48:03] Lexridge: oh, that makes sense.
[04:48:27] CCFL_Man: see, i thought the feeds for each region were time shifted
[04:48:39] CCFL_Man: and only commercials added were the local ones
[04:49:08] Lexridge: No, only east and west are time shifted.
[04:49:32] Lexridge: If you live in Colorado for example, your CBS primetime starts at 7pm instead of 8pm
[04:49:40] CCFL_Man: ahh, i see
[04:49:49] Lexridge: However, the statiosn themselves can timeshift.
[04:49:55] Lexridge: which is common
[04:50:29] CCFL_Man: ahh, i understand
[04:51:08] Lexridge: ie, we run a half hour HS football program on friday nights at 11:30pm, so we back up Letterman 30 minutes.
[04:51:18] CCFL_Man: oh, neat
[04:51:34] CCFL_Man: your Letterman show came from your regional feed?
[04:51:57] Lexridge: CBS also does two separate live 6:30pm and a 7pm newscast. Both those feeds are live, and any affiliate can choose which one to use.
[04:52:03] Lexridge: yes
[04:52:11] CCFL_Man: ahh, i see
[04:53:00] Lexridge: Mistakes you might see durning the 6:30 broadcast will genearlly not happen durning the 7pm broadcast. But others do as well. ;)
[04:53:10] CCFL_Man: lol
[04:53:26] CCFL_Man: you like atsc?
[04:55:14] Lexridge: Well, what's not to like. It's a double edged sword for me. In some respects, it's much more complex, but in others, it's a hell of a lot simpler. I just need more experience with it.....
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[04:55:51] Dagmar: Like threesomes.
[04:56:02] Lexridge: We are not yet broadcast a HD signal yet. The transmitters and antennas are being installed as I type....soon.
[04:56:08] Lexridge: dagmar: lol yea, a lot like that
[04:56:34] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: you just broadcast digital SD?
[04:56:58] Lexridge: We also will inherit a FOX affiliate soon. They are still in a building across town, so I'm not yet familar with their ops.
[04:57:10] Lexridge: ccfl_man: yes, for a few more weeks yet
[04:57:24] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: wow
[04:57:46] Lexridge: wdtv.com and wvfx.com
[04:57:52] CCFL_Man: good anmount of stations don't broadcast in HS only SD
[04:58:20] Lexridge: For a small market, we are really on top of things. We are market 163, Clarksburg, WV.
[04:58:34] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: our local cbs and nbc affiliates are the same company
[04:58:38] Lexridge: we're spending around 2.5M on this dual station upgrade.
[04:58:51] CCFL_Man: shit
[04:59:15] CCFL_Man: they overprice professional equipment
[04:59:30] Dagmar: Part of that is *always* service agreements.
[04:59:41] Lexridge: and they will be totally automated in the end using VCI AutoXe and Omneon servers. They can do 10 channels of HD I/O at the same time. 10 in, 10 out.
[04:59:42] wagnerrp: what, threesomes?
[04:59:48] Dagmar: ...so that when your stuff falls over and the magic smoke gets out, someone will come a'runnin' to replace it.
[05:00:16] Lexridge: Everything is redundant, of course.
[05:01:18] CCFL_Man: ahh
[05:01:18] Lexridge: It's not the equipment that is overpriced, it's the damn licensing! Just to pull programming from an ethernet cable from the Pathfire server, it's like $22K for a license key to do it!!!
[05:01:25] CCFL_Man: i keep forgetting about that
[05:01:40] CCFL_Man: fuck
[05:01:49] Lexridge: yea!
[05:02:10] Lexridge: I know I could do the same thing using Linux for free, but we'd probably get sued if I did that.
[05:02:12] CCFL_Man: but affiliates will pay though
[05:02:27] Lexridge: I'm talking about syndication
[05:03:23] CCFL_Man: everyone wants a complete support solution
[05:03:35] CCFL_Man: i guess thats what you pay for
[05:04:10] t0ny-p40: Is this a normal amount of compression for HD cable? http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/30726/hd-compression.jpg
[05:04:12] Lexridge: I have been thinking about this for quite some time, but quite frankly the MythTV devs could recreate these automation systems fairly easily. I have already mapped out what need to be done to do it.
[05:04:30] Dagmar: lol
[05:04:33] Lexridge: The biggest hurdle would be drivers to support high end HDTV hardware
[05:04:37] Dagmar: That's ducking awful
[05:04:57] iamlindoro__: A digital photo of a single screen of a high motion scene is *not* the way to ask that question.
[05:05:21] Dagmar: Just the same they're doing some seriously godawful sampling
[05:05:29] wagnerrp: what is that?
[05:05:39] Dagmar: It looks like they were expecting people to view that on an iPod
[05:05:41] wagnerrp: i mean there are people in the stands, watching some sort of sport
[05:05:47] iamlindoro__: It's Universal HD, a ternary channel at best, it's always lower than everything
[05:05:47] wagnerrp: but other than that, i have no idea
[05:05:54] iamlindoro__: It's skateboarding
[05:05:59] Dagmar: wagnerrp: check the brutalized logo in the lower right
[05:06:01] iamlindoro__: erBMX, sorry
[05:06:02] Lexridge: gawd, that is awful!
[05:06:11] t0ny-p40: I'm not going to pay for this junk.
[05:06:20] Dagmar: Seriously? I would have thought someone was diving with scuba gear on
[05:06:37] Dagmar: Whoa that's the AST?
[05:06:39] iamlindoro__: No, it's a nonsense basis for making a judgment. Make a digital capture and put it up somewhere. Then we'll decide *and* I'll tell you if it's your box or TV as an added bonus.
[05:06:49] Dagmar: Dude you can *download* better res versions of that on the PS3 for free
[05:07:10] t0ny-p40: Dagmar, I dont have a ps3 :(
[05:07:10] wagnerrp: i blame your scalers
[05:07:21] wagnerrp: i cant imagine they would broadcast something thats actually that bad
[05:07:47] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, It ain't scalers, Uni HD is 1080i
[05:07:54] Dagmar: Me neither
[05:07:59] t0ny-p40: It looks pretty bad with ANY motion.
[05:08:11] Lexridge: something else has to be wrong. That just isn't right at all.
[05:08:13] iamlindoro__: This is BS unless you provide a digital copy.
[05:08:33] wagnerrp: of course you seem to be playing this on a DVR, rather than a normal STB
[05:08:51] wagnerrp: is it possible you are recompressing in the DVR, and playing back the recompressed copy?
[05:08:56] iamlindoro__: a photo of a crap screen with your crap camera of your crap cable is not a valid demonstration of your crap cable.
[05:09:19] t0ny-p40: I was repairing a plasma tv and the customer had dish and it sucked too. Is there any good hd in the us?
[05:09:23] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, No transcoding on the moto DVRs
[05:09:35] iamlindoro__: FIOS and decent ATSC.
[05:09:52] t0ny-p40: iamlindoro__ I have an slr camera on a $300 tripod. This is a good picture of a tv screen.
[05:10:08] wagnerrp: i think i can make out what im looking at now
[05:10:09] t0ny-p40: A digital capture is better but still. The picture is junk.
[05:10:14] iamlindoro__: t0ny-p40, No. You are wrong. No picture of a TV screen is a good picture.
[05:10:15] wagnerrp: is his bike out horizontal behind him?
[05:10:16] Lexridge: t)ny-p40: Technically, no...there is no "good" HD unless it's blu-ray. 19Mb/s is not good by any means...especially when most stations split that with second or even third channels.
[05:10:44] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: master broadcast signals ftw
[05:10:58] Lexridge: yea, that would be it, really.
[05:11:07] t0ny-p40: iamlindoro__ Its good enough to show how bad the compression is.
[05:11:13] iamlindoro__: No. It's not.
[05:11:51] iamlindoro__: There are a thousand other things that could be at fault, and until you get a digital capture, I blame all of them first.
[05:11:57] Lexridge: 3Gb/s is really the only "True HD" you can get, and that will never happen with off air or cable.
[05:11:59] wagnerrp: there are several objects in between the original signal, and the camera image
[05:12:22] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i am a weather channel affiliate, and soon will be pointing my 8 footer to 135W for the weather channel HD feed, i'm quite excited, 16mbit video!
[05:12:34] wagnerrp: Lexridge: you can do completely lossless huffman in a third that bandwidth
[05:12:37] CCFL_Man: t0ny-p40: looks to me like very crappy scaling
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[05:13:17] t0ny-p40: CCFL_Man, would that be the tv then?
[05:13:30] wagnerrp: im actually surprised its cheaper to just run uncompressed, than add a few ASIC compressors in place
[05:13:31] CCFL_Man: t0ny-p40: what kind of tv is that?
[05:13:36] Lexridge: wagnerrp: perhaps, but most ATSC tuners in the US only recognize MPEG2. While every other part of the world is using h264, the FCC forbits it in the U.S....Only MPEG2 for broadcasters
[05:13:48] iamlindoro__: *sigh* Universal HD didn't become any other resolution since I last said it was 1080i
[05:13:51] t0ny-p40: 32" plasma vizio
[05:14:14] Lexridge: satellite feeds are not regulated for the most part, but the broadcaster must convert it before broadcasting it.
[05:14:26] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: only with off air broadcasts, satellite master feeds are dvb-s2 mpeg4, powervu mpeg4, and dcII mpeg4, looks nice
[05:14:55] Lexridge: I'll bet it does look nice. shame we can't broadcast in those formats :(
[05:15:09] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: why does the fcc forbid it?
[05:15:39] wagnerrp: cable broadcasters can use whatever format they please
[05:15:43] Lexridge: Because they can? I don't know really. The govern't generally will fsck up a good thing if they can ;)
[05:15:56] wagnerrp: but doing so would probably incur billions of dollars of replacement hardware
[05:15:58] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: 'tis true
[05:16:13] Lexridge: wagnerrp: perhaps, but the cable ops will install their own box to decode it in the home. You TV cannot do it.
[05:16:21] Dagmar: Because if they didn't all the vendors would come up with their own proprietary formats in an attempt to drive each other out of the markets until there was only one of them and zero competition.
[05:16:39] CCFL_Man: why couldn't the dvb-t standard be americanized?
[05:16:49] wagnerrp: because
[05:16:54] Lexridge: Well, all the new HD equipment we purchased can do h264, but we cannot use it.......yet.
[05:16:58] Dagmar: Because the vendors won't allow it
[05:17:05] Dagmar: MOre specifically, the monopolists won't allow it
[05:17:13] Lexridge: there ya go!!!
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[05:17:25] CCFL_Man: Dagmar: atsc is based on crappy dcII
[05:17:37] gizmobay: Anyone have an opinion on a Zalman CPU cooler?
[05:17:40] Dagmar: Yeah, but it _works_
[05:17:43] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: what kind of irds did you purchase?
[05:17:49] Lexridge: atsc is the WORST standard in the world.
[05:17:52] wagnerrp: gizmobay: any one in particular? theres tons of them
[05:18:03] Dagmar: Lexridge: Something has to be. That doesn't necessarily mean it sucks.
[05:18:05] CCFL_Man: Dagmar: dvb does too!
[05:18:18] Lexridge: Adtec brand for us, the CBS stuff I believe is Scientific Atlanta, but don't quite me on it.
[05:18:23] gizmobay: like the 7500 CU LED cooler
[05:18:52] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i wonder if there are any mpeg4 irds from sci atl
[05:18:55] Dagmar: gizmobay: http://www.silentpcreview.com/
[05:18:58] Lexridge: Plus we have all MA digital microwaves which accept both ASI and SMPTE310 inputs.
[05:19:03] wagnerrp: you want to bling out your CPU cooler, just to draw more attention to the gaudy box next to your TV?
[05:19:18] Dagmar: No he wants other people to do research for him
[05:19:21] CCFL_Man: asi and smpte310 ftw
[05:19:39] Lexridge: ccfl_man: dunno. The chief handles the CBS end of things. Thanks god, I wouldn't even have the time to fsck with it.
[05:19:40] gizmobay: This'll be the third flippin cooler I have to buy
[05:19:41] wagnerrp: i was ashamed when my secondary video card came in the mail, and i found the fan had LEDs
[05:19:59] Lexridge: why?
[05:20:06] wagnerrp: nevermind the fact that my current board has LEDs all over the place
[05:20:09] Lexridge: why would the fan have LEDs?
[05:20:13] CCFL_Man: hdmi is nothing but a steaming pile of fail, hd-sdi ftw
[05:20:15] Dagmar: For ricers.
[05:20:22] wagnerrp: my point exactly
[05:20:37] Lexridge: HD-SDI and HDMI is not the same thing...what are you saying?
[05:20:38] wagnerrp: i want my computer to sit quiet, dignified under my desk
[05:20:45] wagnerrp: not light a path through the darkness
[05:20:49] Lexridge: lol, me too
[05:20:51] Dagmar: I want my computer to bite people I don't know.
[05:20:59] Dagmar: ...and follow me around the apartment.
[05:21:13] iamlindoro__: So... you want a robot dog?
[05:21:13] Lexridge: throw it a bone and see what happens
[05:21:20] wagnerrp: sony sells those
[05:21:23] Dagmar: It should also be able to suck up dust as it trundles along so I don't have to fix the damn ROomba again
[05:21:23] gizmobay: Yeah, I never thought of the light at night
[05:21:31] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i know, but thats what consumer stuff should use, hd-sdi
[05:21:44] Lexridge: I agree, and eventually I'd guess it will
[05:22:07] Lexridge: the embedded AES/EBU is a nice thing about SDI in either flavor.
[05:22:13] CCFL_Man: it's such a perfect standard, really
[05:22:20] CCFL_Man: yeah
[05:22:25] gizmobay: My Thermaltake cooler is a piece of crap
[05:22:48] wagnerrp: except that... HDMI has more bandwidth
[05:23:05] wagnerrp: and the all important encryption
[05:23:07] iamlindoro__: and Displayport more still
[05:23:07] CCFL_Man: what?
[05:23:26] CCFL_Man: hd-sdi dies the job
[05:23:27] Lexridge: ccfl_man: You would love to see this new Harris Centrio 32x32 video router we just bought. Its a full 3Gb/s with four 32 PIP multiviewers. All HD-SDI. :)
[05:23:46] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i'd own one if i could afford it
[05:23:51] wagnerrp: SDI does 3gbps, HDMI is good up to 10gbps
[05:23:51] iamlindoro__: and HDMI does the same job with 8 channels of PCM audio. So?
[05:24:34] Lexridge: ccfl_man: It was actually quite inexpensive as far as routers go. A mere $73400.
[05:24:41] CCFL_Man: hdmi has a terrible connector
[05:24:45] iamlindoro__: This is classic "I heard a term and I want to sound l33t"
[05:25:02] iamlindoro__: Oh, now it's the connector. This is truly dumb.
[05:25:05] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: lol
[05:25:23] wagnerrp: apparently the latest revision now offers auxiliary data as well, for remote control of other devices
[05:25:32] Lexridge: ccfl_man: Yea, HDMI connectors do suck. What is with all those pins? an HD-SDI can do the same thing with ONE conductor!!!!!!
[05:25:33] CCFL_Man: iamlindoro__: you worked with pro video equipment
[05:25:35] iamlindoro__: Plenty of HDMI coming out now with retention. What's wrong with it now, the connectors are too shiny?
[05:25:39] wagnerrp: i.e. your tv now controls the volume on your receiver
[05:26:09] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: exactly
[05:26:25] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, HD-SDI doesn't do close to the same thing as HDMI
[05:26:26] CCFL_Man: wagnerrp: that can be done with rs422 control
[05:26:41] wagnerrp: CCFL_Man: exactly... more cables
[05:26:41] iamlindoro__: they both can pass high definition video, but HD-SDI stops there and HDMI keeps going
[05:26:44] Lexridge: humm....I did not realize HDMI could control your receiver. Okay, so two pins should do it then
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[05:27:05] CCFL_Man: iamlindoro__: the extra stiff is silly
[05:27:17] iamlindoro__: kormoc, Probably better to back right out, this channel has gone completely ri-god-damn-tarded
[05:27:17] CCFL_Man: stuff
[05:27:20] Lexridge: HD a/v on one pin to the TV, multiplex the control on another return pin.
[05:27:20] wagnerrp: Lexridge: its a DIGITAL INTERFACE, you dont need multiple pins for multiple data channels
[05:27:35] kormoc: iamlindoro__, sounds like I'm needed then!
[05:27:40] ** kormoc preps his ban stick **
[05:28:07] CCFL_Man: you can embed controls were caption data is embedded
[05:28:33] wagnerrp: why would you want to embed something into the video stream
[05:28:58] CCFL_Man: to make hd-sdi as useful as hdmi
[05:29:29] iamlindoro__: and where would you embed the 8 channels of lossless uncompress audio? In the rubber cladding?
[05:30:10] Lexridge: iamlindoro: No. HD-SDI embed eight channels of lossless AES/EBU uncompressed audio and video on a SINGLE conductor.
[05:31:07] Lexridge: really!
[05:31:19] wagnerrp: lexridge: hdmi sends three times the data, using three connectors
[05:31:33] iamlindoro__: Bandwidth just ain't there for 1080p and that audio. Sorry.
[05:31:44] Lexridge: Not true.
[05:32:02] iamlindoro__: go ahead, do the math on 1080p and 8 channels of 24 bit 48 khz audio. I'll wait.
[05:32:10] Lexridge: This new 3Gb/s router does 1080p, plus 8 AES/EBU channels of audio, all embedded.
[05:32:21] Lexridge: over 32 I/Os
[05:33:26] Lexridge: hang on, I'll send you a link
[05:33:50] iamlindoro__: I don't want a link to your broadcast equipment. I want *you* to do the math for me.
[05:33:51] Lexridge: here is the first: http://broadcastengineering.com/products/harris-centrio/
[05:33:53] iamlindoro__: Show your work.
[05:34:10] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i'm looking for reasonably priced asi to ip converter
[05:34:16] iamlindoro__: 1080p x 30 fps, 8 channel 24 bit audio, 48 Khz.
[05:34:21] iamlindoro__: Go.
[05:35:14] Lexridge: http://www.broadcast.harris.com/product_portf . . . sku=Platinum
[05:35:29] wagnerrp: thats actually only slightly better than 1.5gbps
[05:35:34] Lexridge: "– 1080p (3Gb/s) signal routing (any size)"
[05:35:58] Lexridge: "any digital video signal from 3Mb/s to 3Gb/s including: HD-SDI, SD-SDI, ASI,
[05:35:58] Lexridge: SMPTE 310, SMPTE 305, etc"
[05:36:31] Lexridge: "Digital audio signals including balanced and un-balanced AES"
[05:36:49] Lexridge: ...and....."Support for up to 16 embedded AES streams per video input"
[05:37:40] Lexridge: I have been working on this project for two years. I'm not full of shit on this.
[05:38:55] iamlindoro__: Then you should be able to show me the math I asked for, right?
[05:39:26] Lexridge: I'm not a freaking calculator. Just look at the specs I sent you.. they speak for themselves.
[05:39:47] iamlindoro__: So your idea of a citation is a marketing pamphlet?
[05:39:51] iamlindoro__: awesome.
[05:39:56] iamlindoro__: Very credible.
[05:40:14] kormoc: Lexridge, well, they sorta don't. they say the video stream can be 3 mbit/s to 3 gbit/s, perhaps that 16 audio streams is limited to the 3 mbit/sec video?
[05:40:18] Lexridge: So you think Harris, a MAJOR broadcast supplier is lying on their specs? Gimme a break
[05:40:40] Lexridge: they would be sued in a heartbeat
[05:41:06] wagnerrp: 24-bit 48khz is only ~1mbit per channel
[05:41:13] wagnerrp: negligable compared to the video data
[05:41:17] Lexridge: exactly
[05:41:38] iamlindoro__: "exactly" from the "not a calculator" guy
[05:41:40] Lexridge: the audio is basically fractional
[05:41:50] wagnerrp: that said, the video data consumes almost entirely 3gbps, leaving ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM for expansion or error correction
[05:41:57] wagnerrp: SDI can only be used in clean environments
[05:42:06] Lexridge: this is mostly correct.
[05:42:44] iamlindoro__: Not to mention the fact that HDMI supports vastly higher resolutions at the same time. Yep, HD-SDI, that's a winner all right, I'm sure we'll be switching right over to it.
[05:43:00] CCFL_Man: crap, i want some tv to watch, but my dishes are not pointed properly
[05:43:34] Lexridge: iamlindoro__ What "higher" video res does HDMI support. 1080p is the best it can AFAIK.
[05:43:43] iamlindoro__: wrong.
[05:43:47] wagnerrp: the specs list 1600p60
[05:44:08] wagnerrp: with 30-bit color
[05:44:08] Lexridge: nice. Where can I buy something that support this resolution?
[05:44:15] iamlindoro__: So I guess we're back to "I don't like the look of the connector," eh?
[05:44:17] wagnerrp: 75hz at 24-bit
[05:44:24] wagnerrp: 30" monitors are that resolution
[05:44:24] kormoc: "HDMI 1.3 increased that to 340 MHz which allows for higher resolution, such as WQXGA (2560x1600), across a single digital link"
[05:44:44] wagnerrp: weve got a dozen of them at work
[05:44:44] Lexridge: yea, but the video being feed to this is not.
[05:44:57] kormoc: what is this fight about anyway?
[05:45:05] kormoc: if hdmi will be over-taken with some new standard?
[05:45:12] wagnerrp: "HDMI sucks, consumers should all use HD-SDI"
[05:45:16] iamlindoro__: Stupid nonsense like "I think eventually everything will be HD-SDI"
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[05:45:42] kormoc: and the benefits of HD-SDI over HDMI is 8 more audio track support?
[05:45:48] Lexridge: not at all. Not even an argument really. Just trying to show that HD-SDI is better specs than iamlindor believes it is.
[05:46:03] wagnerrp: the benefits of HD-SDI over HDMI is that it uses one pin
[05:46:06] wagnerrp: thats it
[05:46:15] Lexridge: nothing more, nothing less.
[05:46:17] kormoc: and how's that affect the end user?
[05:46:33] wagnerrp: less bandwidth, more limiting
[05:46:43] Lexridge: lol, it doesn't, except for the cost of cheap cabling vs expensive HDMI cabling.
[05:46:54] kormoc: hdmi cables aren't that expensive
[05:47:02] wagnerrp: HDMI cables are dirt cheap
[05:47:08] Lexridge: maybe, but RG6 or RG59 is really cheap
[05:47:09] wagnerrp: <$1/ft
[05:47:54] wagnerrp: if the consumer is hurt by buying a $10, maybe they shouldnt have bought that $2K TV
[05:48:00] Lexridge: I agree HDMI cables can be had on the Internet much cheaper than at CircuitCity or Radio Shack. That is highway robbery!!!
[05:48:30] kormoc: so what ever happened to the whole single line cables picked up major amounts of interference without expensive shielding thing go?
[05:48:33] Lexridge: I price a 25' HDMI cable at RS today for $59. HolyShit!!! I found the same thing on the internet for $15
[05:49:18] iamlindoro__: kormoc, It's kinda like Elmer Fudd. If you can ignore the laws of physics long enough, you might just make it.
[05:49:45] Lexridge: kormoc: that all comes down to cheap RG59 vs double foil shielded RG59.
[05:49:46] iamlindoro__: *ssshhhhhh*, Aytch Hee Ess Dee Eye is a vewwy vewwy good fowmat fow comsumahs!
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[05:51:05] Lexridge: what laws of physics? RG59 physics? Come on, you sound like a Circuit City employee.
[05:51:16] Lexridge: trying to sell me a monster cable.
[05:51:52] kormoc: Lexridge, one of the big pluses for multi-line cables is they can be twisted to prevent signal degeneration by limiting the ability for induction to happen, I was fairly sure that standard single line cables couldn't do that
[05:51:58] Lexridge: opps. sorry, you are probably one of those who actually "BUY" monter cables.
[05:52:05] iamlindoro__: There's nothing nonsensical about the fact that a single line is more prone to interference.
[05:52:13] iamlindoro__: (than multiple lines)
[05:52:43] Lexridge: sure, if it is NOT shielded. Don't you know the advantages of shielded cable vs twisted pairs?
[05:52:53] wagnerrp: then theres the fact that SDI has no timing reference, meaning all parts have to have very precise oscillators
[05:53:15] wagnerrp: and the fact that HDMI is shielded, as well as having balanced twisted pairs
[05:53:16] kormoc: I was fairly sure that solid shielded cable can also be affected by induction for long runs near power lines
[05:53:24] Lexridge: Bullshit, all our SDI equipment had an analog or TLS sync signal feeding them.
[05:53:33] iamlindoro__: I just realized I am far too smart to be having this conversation. I'm also too good to waste my time on a "I'm in broadcasting, so I know best!" wankfest.
[05:53:35] kormoc: so it's more then one line?
[05:53:37] wagnerrp: meaning they need a second cable?
[05:53:49] Lexridge: kormoc: only if ran in parallel.
[05:54:04] kormoc: Lexridge, which in my home theater setup is how they're run
[05:54:06] Lexridge: you can cross AC as much as you like at right angles.
[05:54:29] kormoc: all cables, power or otherwise go along the floor right up against the wall
[05:54:41] kormoc: and I'd bet a fair number of consumers share that style setup
[05:54:44] Lexridge: We design for that before we install
[05:54:49] wagnerrp: you expect the home consumer to plan their cable layouts so they only cross at 90deg?
[05:54:57] Lexridge: I do
[05:55:09] kormoc: you're not a standard home consumer are you?
[05:55:10] wagnerrp: then youre a crackpot
[05:55:34] Lexridge: honestly, most consumer will not even think of it, but the effects are minimal for home usages.
[05:55:39] kormoc: there's a huge number of people who pay for someone to calibrate their HDTV's color settings, and they pay in the hundreds
[05:56:03] kormoc: I personally think HDMI is good enough (tm)(r)
[05:56:06] Lexridge: yea, and they are wasting their money in most cases.
[05:56:20] iamlindoro__: And I think it's better :)
[05:56:20] Lexridge: HDMI IS good enough. I'm never argued that point.
[05:56:31] wagnerrp: you argued that it should be replaced by SDI
[05:56:35] wagnerrp: meaning it wasnt good enough
[05:56:36] iamlindoro__: <CCFL_Man> Lexridge: i know, but thats what consumer stuff should use, hd-sdi <Lexridge> I agree, and eventually I'd guess it will
[05:56:40] kormoc: Lexridge, and for future reference, monoprice.com is a great place for cables, especially in bulk
[05:56:52] Lexridge: That is not what I said. I said HDMI may eventually get replaced with HD-SDI.
[05:57:18] iamlindoro__: "thats what consumer stuff should use" "I agree"
[05:58:14] Lexridge: for now, we have HDMI, that is good enough. You know how engineers love to change things. HD-SDI will be replaced as well. Time will tell
[05:58:22] kormoc: Ooh! 131 foot hdmi cable, that's a solid run
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[05:58:54] Lexridge: Well, that is a huge advantage of HD-SDI. You can run that up to 300'.
[05:59:11] wagnerrp: lexridge: in a clean environment
[05:59:14] Lexridge: thanks for bringing that up. ;)
[05:59:24] CCFL_Man: iamlindoro__: you are such a hateful person
[06:00:01] Lexridge: Do you think at TV station is a "clean" environment? We have hundereds of computers, RF, and a plethora of other RF generating stuff going on. Much dirtier than the average home.
[06:00:06] iamlindoro__: CCFL_Man, How am I hateful? Because I disagree when someone is wrong?
[06:00:33] kormoc: Lexridge, ooh, does hd-sdi support bi-directional communications?
[06:00:39] iamlindoro__: I didn't even *peep* when he totally incorrectly held forth that the FCC forbids broadcasters from using h.264, which is patently false.
[06:00:44] CCFL_Man: iamlindoro__: possibly
[06:00:52] Lexridge: kormoc: no, it does not, and we already mentioned that.
[06:01:00] wagnerrp: the grounded metal cases around that stuff do pretty well to cut down on radiation
[06:01:18] kormoc: that's a fairly big issue for the home user, as all those digital playback devices need to share keys and the like
[06:01:35] kormoc: I'd say that there alone would be enough to prevent it reaching home users
[06:01:39] Lexridge: iamlindoro: you are wrong about h264. Why do you think most consumer TVs sold in the US cannot even decode it?
[06:01:48] wagnerrp: back to the whole 'hdmi supports encryption' i said a few hundred lines back way at the beginning
[06:02:04] kormoc: wagnerrp, forgive me, I entered in late
[06:02:07] wagnerrp: Lexridge: h264 support was added to ATSC earlier this year
[06:02:16] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, No. I'm not. Do ahead. all the FCC regulations are online. Show me the prohibition of h.264 for broadcasters.
[06:02:18] Lexridge: encryption sucks and it should not even exist! I'm happy for you that you like DRM.
[06:02:20] iamlindoro__: er go ahead
[06:02:33] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, exactly so.
[06:02:55] kormoc: Lexridge, I never said I liked it, I just understand that it's not going anywhere and that it's existence will shape what goes to the masses
[06:03:08] wagnerrp: Lexridge: i detest HDCP, but content providers wont let consumer technology exist without it
[06:03:18] Lexridge: I cannot say you are wrong, but I've not heard, or been told of h264 being supported in the US. The last I heard it was not, which was only a month or so ago.
[06:03:36] iamlindoro__: not supported is NOT forbidden.
[06:03:39] kormoc: just because it's not currently being broadcasted doesn't mean it's illegal to do so or not supported
[06:03:43] iamlindoro__: and you should get better sources.
[06:04:01] iamlindoro__: h.264 is part of ATSC since JULY
[06:04:07] Lexridge: Perhaps you could give me the link showing me that h264 is now legal for broadcast in the US since you seem to know where to locate it.,
[06:04:21] kormoc: Lexridge, that'd be hard, given it was never illegal
[06:04:25] iamlindoro__: http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_72_part_2.pdf
[06:04:54] iamlindoro__: that would be the ATSC standard governing, wouldn't ya know it, AVC video. h.264.
[06:05:19] iamlindoro__: *cough* July, 2008.
[06:05:36] Lexridge: well at least gimme a chance to look at it
[06:05:56] t0ny-p40: Is test-mpeg2 in any debian/ubuntu packages?
[06:06:06] t0ny-p40: I cant get it to compile. :/
[06:06:49] iamlindoro__: Feel free to read. While you do so, I'd like your citation for this gem: "<Lexridge> wagnerrp: perhaps, but most ATSC tuners in the US only recognize MPEG2. While every other part of the world is using h264, the FCC forbits it in the U.S....Only MPEG2 for broadcasters"
[06:07:11] Lexridge: The output of the control system implementation shall conform to
[06:07:11] Lexridge: the MPEG-2 Transport Stream coding as specified in ISO/IEC 13818–1
[06:07:20] iamlindoro__: Any old link will do, you know, one that explains the "forbiting"
[06:07:32] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, So? Waht does the container format have to do with the codec?
[06:07:51] wagnerrp: so h.264 inside an mpeg2-ts, just like the rest of the world
[06:08:28] iamlindoro__: You are grasping at straws. I guess it's too much to hope that you would admit you were talking out your ass.
[06:08:49] iamlindoro__: Let me guess, "I meant container when I was talking before!"
[06:08:59] Lexridge: if you would gimme a freaking chance to read this, please!
[06:09:16] iamlindoro__: Why? You're quoting from it, you must understand it well, right?
[06:09:39] iamlindoro__: You quoted a section about the container. I'd like to know what you meant or what point you were making with that.
[06:10:17] Lexridge: well, MPEG2 TS stream coding is NOT a container. IT is as it reads, MPEG2 TS encoding.
[06:10:27] kormoc: erm
[06:10:35] wagnerrp: its a container
[06:10:36] jblack: This argument is like a star trek fight. But without Kirk, Klingons, Phasers or Vulcans.
[06:10:36] iamlindoro__: MPEG-2 TS most certainly *is* a container.
[06:10:37] kormoc: The stream_type value for AVC video program elements shall be as defined ISO/IEC 13818–1
[06:10:37] kormoc: [4] which is 0x1B. The video T-STD for AVC shall be as defined in Section 2.14.3.1 of ISO/IEC
[06:10:37] kormoc: 13818–1 [4] and shall follow the constraints for the profile and level encoded in the video
[06:10:37] kormoc: elementary stream in Appendix A of ISO/IEC 14496–10 [2].
[06:10:53] kormoc: 14496–10 is ITU-T Rec. H.264 | ISO/IEC 14496–10:2005(E) – AVC ? International Standard for
[06:10:53] kormoc: Advanced Video Coding.
[06:11:00] wagnerrp: thats a BAD kormoc
[06:11:10] clever: paste spam!!!
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[06:11:25] kormoc: happy?
[06:11:25] iamlindoro__: HAHAHAHA
[06:11:32] clever: lol
[06:11:34] wagnerrp: that was... AWESOME!
[06:11:40] clever: note to self, avoid upsetting kormoc
[06:11:53] iamlindoro__: anyway, so back to more about how (sic) MPEg-2 TS isn't a container *COUGHCOUGHCOUGH*
[06:12:10] iamlindoro__: Tell me more about this magical MPEG-2 TS codec.
[06:12:39] Lexridge: I found nothing about h264 being allow to be broadcast. Since when is MPEG2 a container for anything?
[06:12:53] wagnerrp: mpeg2 is a whole slew of stuff
[06:13:01] iamlindoro__: Since MPEg-2 is a standard encompassing many different things, among them audio, video and containers?
[06:13:20] Lexridge: Mpg2 has never been a "container format" You make it sound like MPEG2 is like AVI or xvid.
[06:13:24] Lexridge: it is not
[06:13:25] iamlindoro__: Oh, by the way, captain broadcasting, you broadcast MPEG-2 TS containers at your channel
[06:13:26] wagnerrp: but it is
[06:13:39] iamlindoro__: MPEG-2 video codec and AC-3 audio in MPEG-2 TS container.
[06:14:05] wagnerrp: there is mpeg2 the video codec, mpeg2 the audio codec, mpeg2 the container (and you get transport streams and program streams with that order)
[06:14:08] kormoc: Lexridge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Stream
[06:14:10] Lexridge: An mpeg stream consists of my sub-streams, all mpeg related....ie. mp2. mp2, multi video multiplexing. It's still ALL mpeg
[06:14:13] iamlindoro__: and yes, that's precisely what MPEG-2 TS is. Score one for you. Just like AVI. But not like xvid, which is NOT a container.
[06:14:18] kormoc: Lexridge, Program stream (PS or MPEG-PS) is a container format for multiplexing digital audio, video and more
[06:14:49] wagnerrp: mpeg2 part 1: transport stream
[06:14:54] wagnerrp: part 2: video encoder
[06:14:59] iamlindoro__: God, this just makes the whole "I've been on this project for years, I know what I'm talking about" comment WAY more hilarious.
[06:15:01] kormoc: a TS is a container format like a program stream, just better for things that might not be perfect
[06:15:03] wagnerrp: part 3: audio encoder
[06:15:08] t0ny-p40: Any one know what I might be doing wrong? I'm following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#Plugreport and I'm getting this error from test-mpeg2 "libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63"
[06:15:08] wagnerrp: part 7: another audio encoder
[06:15:12] Lexridge: yes, but it's all sub-mpeg streams....that is like saying you can embed a .wav file into an mpeg stream. You cannot, unless you first convert it to mp2 or mp3
[06:15:30] iamlindoro__: God, you really ought to be fired.
[06:15:31] Lexridge: then multiplex it into your mpeg stream/
[06:15:35] wagnerrp: parts 4–6, 9 and 10: other random descriptions
[06:15:57] wagnerrp: ATSC uses AC3 as its audio codec
[06:16:05] wagnerrp: AC3 is most certainly NOT part of mpeg2
[06:16:33] iamlindoro__: But it suck and fark IS encapsulated in an MPEG-2 Transport Stream. Check and mate!
[06:16:34] kormoc: Lexridge, actually, h264 is part of mpeg-4, and mpeg-4 didn't add a new transport layer, it re-uses mpeg-2's
[06:16:35] Lexridge: that is true
[06:16:49] iamlindoro__: er it sure as
[06:17:20] CCFL_Man: there a way i can download rtsp streams?
[06:17:55] kormoc: Time to kill zombies! Left4DEAD!
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[06:18:07] wagnerrp: ive been considering getting that
[06:18:14] t0ny-p40: Any one know where I might be screwing up?
[06:18:22] wagnerrp: sadly, i dont seem to have 4 friends who still play PC FPSs
[06:18:32] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, You can have the PC control the rest
[06:18:40] wagnerrp: but wheres the fun in that
[06:18:47] iamlindoro__: kill zombies?
[06:18:53] wagnerrp: ive been considering reconnecting with some of my old TFC friends
[06:18:58] Lexridge: ya know, maybe you are correct, but I can only tell you this...When dealing with all these purchases, we were told time and time again not to worry about h264, we cannot broadcast it in the US anyway. I guess I will have to call them on it. However, I'm inclined to believe them, as they are the so-called experts.
[06:19:42] Lexridge: I will certainly not forgot about this, and will research it to the point I am satified either way.,
[06:19:46] iamlindoro__: We're correct. And you really ought to learn how digital video gets put together.
[06:20:30] Lexridge: Please, just for the record, show me one HDTV that states that it supports h.264 that I can go to WalMart and purchase.
[06:21:22] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, What does that have to do with *anything*? The question whether some statement that h.264 is *forbidden* to broadcasters in the US was true, and it's absolute horse shit.
[06:22:05] Lexridge: So why do TVs not support it? If I were to switch everything to h264, how many viewers would be able to view my signal?
[06:22:23] iamlindoro__: I know you're embarrassed and that you feel slighted, but do focus on what our disagreement with you was.
[06:22:45] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, Once again, what does that have to do with you stating it was *forbidden*?
[06:23:06] Lexridge: What is the point of broadcasting h264 if NO ONE can view it? You guys are certainly nitpicking.
[06:23:36] iamlindoro__: nitpicking? Don't act like some broadcast superstar expert when you sound like an uneducated dummy!
[06:23:42] Lexridge: perhaps "forbidden" was too harsh. Not standard perhaps would have been better terminology
[06:23:49] iamlindoro__: You don't even know what a container format is, how can you possibly be taken seriously?
[06:24:06] iamlindoro__: You don't know the container format used by YOUR OWN STATION
[06:24:12] iamlindoro__: well, *now* you do
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[06:25:06] iamlindoro__: And if I have any issue with you, it's that you're spouting off in a public room where people who know less can hear you and then THEY end up looking like idiots when they repeat it.
[06:25:28] Lexridge: Hey, I have been in broadcasting for 26 years. I'm an expert in my field. I'm glad to have given you an orgasm because you claim to know broadcasting better than I. I'm in the business, you are not.
[06:25:35] jblack: I don't understand. There's never anything on TV. How could they need a container?
[06:25:38] ** jblack grins **
[06:25:57] iamlindoro__: God, I love that this channel is logged
[06:26:13] iamlindoro__: Lexridge, should I quote you the other day when you mention you were the IT guy for about 24 of those years?
[06:26:38] Lexridge: I'm new to HDTV like most broadcasters. We're still learning, but I have been using mpeg formats for years. Sure, it's a container format, but not like xvid or avi by any means.
[06:26:50] iamlindoro__: *sigh*
[06:27:01] iamlindoro__: MPEG-2 TS is a container format JUST like AVI
[06:27:02] wagnerrp: xvid is not a container
[06:27:05] iamlindoro__: xvid is NOT a container
[06:27:10] jblack: Lexridge: Um, a word of advice? You're in the wrong argument.
[06:27:16] andrew[andrboot]: ah finally
[06:27:21] jblack: This is stuff iamlindoro__ knows like the back of his hand.
[06:27:55] iamlindoro__: plus, if you've been in digital broadcasting for two of those years, then I've officially got two years of broadcast industry experience on you on account fo the four years I worked in a cable headend.
[06:28:06] jblack: You may as well fight with the pope about what makes a catholic.
[06:28:17] ** iamlindoro__ casually slips jblack a check **
[06:28:37] Lexridge: Yea, I have been the IT manager, but with HDTV, the analog studio engineers are disappearing and IT is taking over. It's all computer based now. We don't even have a digital signal on the air ATM.
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[06:29:16] jblack: That's ok. It's new to you. Life is a learning process, No?
[06:30:45] Lexridge: oh, and I do know that xvid is not a container format. sorry, I meant to use .mov in all those xvid statements.
[06:31:08] t0ny-p40: I cant set "oPCR[0].bcast_connection=1" that with plugctl.
[06:31:16] Lexridge: just my mind set ATM I guess. xvid is a free open source version of divx....doh!
[06:31:26] t0ny-p40: Nothing happens and the value does not change in plugreport.
[06:32:02] CCFL_Man: feng a good rtsp server?
[06:36:32] Lexridge: humm, just found this on the web: Yes. In terms of broadcast, H.264 has already been adopted by Europe’s DVB, the top 6 Japanese broadcasters, and is under final consideration in the US’s ATSC
[06:36:50] larzen: Anyone try xbmc against myth here?
[06:36:53] Lexridge: and this came from: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/faq.html
[06:37:01] iamlindoro__: Good god, you will not quit, will you?
[06:37:02] larzen: i am trying to get it to work but it says 'protocol version mismatch'
[06:37:21] iamlindoro__: That info is from before the ratification of the new version of ATSC.
[06:38:10] Lexridge: perhaps. This is just something I need to know for a fact. I cannot simply take your word for it.
[06:38:25] iamlindoro__: I give you the actual ATSC standard document, from atsc.org, what more do you want?
[06:38:46] iamlindoro__: You know, that thing you were misquoting earlier.
[06:38:54] Lexridge: but I found nothing in that document that clear cut and dried said I can broadcast it.
[06:39:17] Lexridge: what? xvid?
[06:39:29] iamlindoro__: You know what, you're going on ignore, what a freaking idiot...
[06:39:39] jblack: I have a hunch there will be one less TV station in the US come this february....
[06:40:18] iamlindoro__: jblack, Ugh, it's like every time I want to let him off the hook he comes BACK with more of this stuff
[06:40:36] jblack: Like a crack whore?
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[06:40:54] iamlindoro__: It's like a Bush presidency or something
[06:41:05] jblack: He's the implementor!
[06:41:25] Lexridge: Come on guys, I hate GWB, that is not nice. :)
[06:42:33] Lexridge: Oh I finally got it....I was not misquoting the document you sent me. I cut and pasted a portion of it for christ sake.
[06:42:48] Lexridge: that is not a misquote, but a direct one.
[06:43:47] Lexridge: quite frankly, I'm not even sure how we got here from HD-SDI vs HDMI to this anyway. Let it be and I will too.
[06:45:34] Lexridge: okay? I actually like this channel. I certainly don't want to make enemies or have hard feelings. Truce please?
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[06:54:06] Gumby: does compiling with debug support cause any issues with mythtv? Just wondering as its not enabled by default
[06:56:33] Gumby: is there any need for me to recompile without debug support once I have identified a problem?
[06:57:41] Lexridge: debug support will use extra resources. Once you identify your problem, you should turn it off.
[06:59:27] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i'm fed up with cable and pizza dish companies
[07:00:09] t0ny-p40: Why would test-mpeg2 work with firewire but mythtv refuses to get locks?
[07:00:45] Lexridge: ccfl_man: Me too! I have had to replace my Dish 622 rx 4 times in less than one year!
[07:01:36] Lexridge: ccfl_man: However, I can not do without my ESPN-HD ;)
[07:02:38] t0ny-p40: Never mind I had to change from p2p to broadcast
[07:02:38] Lexridge: ccfl_man: at least until the end of college football season.
[07:03:01] Lexridge: ccfl_man: cause I hate the NFL. Bla!
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[07:18:43] justinh: better.. 9MB/sec on my rsync
[07:23:26] wagnerrp: i thought you were getting 20MB/s before
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[07:24:16] justinh: this is over NFS now :)
[07:24:31] wagnerrp: ah, no gigabit?
[07:24:36] justinh: nope
[07:24:51] justinh: seriously considering it though.. but that'd mean switch upgrades
[07:25:08] wagnerrp: theyre cheap anymore, at least on this side of the lake
[07:25:48] wagnerrp: ive got a pair of crappy netgear 8-ports
[07:26:03] wagnerrp: i think they were $40 each after MIR
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[07:27:45] CCFL_Man: Lexridge: i've gone with commercial irds and subscriptions for my tv
[07:28:14] Lexridge: was that expensive?
[07:29:51] CCFL_Man: yes
[07:32:10] Lexridge: not surprised.
[07:36:26] justinh: hrm £30 for an 8-port gigabit switch
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[07:37:44] justinh: or £45 for a Netgear model
[07:38:06] justinh: ach. new PSUs & cases first I think
[07:40:31] t0ny-p40: Can I change what my cablebox outputs? Like I want 720p instead of 1080.
[07:40:37] t0ny-p40: Over firewire that is.
[07:41:00] justinh: you get what you get
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[07:45:42] justinh: t0ny-p40: you can only get whatever res the channel broadcaster farms out to you. The STB doesn't do anything with the streams
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[07:46:41] CCFL_Man: firewire just outputs transport streams
[07:47:19] CCFL_Man: justinh: i need a cisco 2960G for my iptv system i'm trying to build :P
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[07:56:25] t0ny-p40: http://www.divinecaroline.com/article/22272/6 . . . epare-battle
[07:56:29] t0ny-p40: oops wrong window
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[07:56:48] justinh: woo my local computer shed has nice cases for £25
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[08:11:55] t0ny-p40: Where can I find a script or a howto for manually changing channels and powering on and off my cable box?
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[08:19:06] justinh: the interwebs!
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[08:23:54] t0ny-p40: I cant find anything :(
[08:25:33] justinh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . nel_changers
[08:27:52] t0ny-p40: Ah, I should have looked there first.
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[08:30:49] t0ny-p40: justinh, ok I got the channel changing program working, is it possible to power on and off?
[08:31:27] justinh: no idea
[08:32:10] t0ny-p40: I have a pointless idea. I'm going to use my cablebox to turn a lamp on and off then post it to http://drivemeinsane.com
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[08:34:29] justinh: if your cable STB is anything like mine it won't consume any less power when it
[08:34:34] justinh: it's 'off'
[08:36:19] t0ny-p40: No, it has a switched power plug on it. I want to use it to turn other things on and off.
[08:36:35] anykey_: our cablebox here consumes 32W when on, 30W when in standby
[08:37:32] ruskie: real power saver ;)
[08:37:52] justinh: the 2W difference being the mpeg decoderererererererer
[08:37:57] CCFL_Man: anykey_: what cable box is it?
[08:38:32] justinh: t0ny-p40: IR blaster & IR remote controlled mains switches :)
[08:38:39] anykey_: CCFL_Man: some UPC one, I think from Philips. Has three tuners and an integrated HDD
[08:40:00] ruskie: hmm need to call UPC again... need to check when that service guy is coming over... my net line has been getting worse in the past two months...
[08:40:05] justinh: or, just woggle some parallel port pins to switch SSRs :D
[08:40:15] CCFL_Man: anykey_: dvb-c?
[08:40:18] Dibblah: "woggle"?
[08:40:19] anykey_: CCFL_Man: yes
[08:40:24] Dibblah: Is that a technical term?
[08:40:35] justinh: Dibblah: abso-frickin-lutely
[08:40:51] Dibblah: If it's anything like the Sky box, it takes 2–3 minutes to start from cold.
[08:40:53] CCFL_Man: anykey_: ahh, just be glad you don't have a US cable box
[08:41:11] justinh: Dibblah: or a Vorgon-Media box, 10 mins
[08:41:32] justinh: oops. too much coffee makes justinh go a bit juski
[08:41:32] Dibblah: That's V+, though.
[08:42:09] anykey_: CCFL_Man: I don't use that box, thank god you can use their smartcard with some tricks ;)
[08:42:10] CCFL_Man: US digital cable boxes are never user provisioned
[08:42:24] CCFL_Man: anykey_: with a cam?
[08:42:29] anykey_: CCFL_Man: now my backend uses ~130Watts :D
[08:42:29] anykey_: CCFL_Man: yes
[08:42:38] CCFL_Man: dvb ftw
[08:42:41] justinh: CCFL_Man: *LEGALLY would be the word to insert into that sentence
[08:43:35] CCFL_Man: justinh: users can't even provision the cable box themselves
[08:43:48] justinh: heh
[08:44:45] justinh: I was at oldham market the weekend before last. I saw some Vorgon Media cable boxes on sale there
[08:45:02] justinh: GET ALL CHANEL !
[08:45:10] CCFL_Man: they download a channel list from a server on the motorola system
[08:45:26] CCFL_Man: i'm talking about US cable boxes
[08:45:46] justinh: makes no odds if your box isn't looking at a list of what it 'should' receive :P
[08:46:20] CCFL_Man: there is no way to hack the motorola system
[08:46:47] CCFL_Man: once the channel list is downloaded, you need the keys to decrypt video
[08:47:09] justinh: keys? UK cable needs them too. ish
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[08:47:52] justinh: I know it's naughty but I really want to whoop Sky's encripplement
[08:48:15] justinh: just out of principle, and to be a hero :D It's never gonna happen though
[08:48:27] Dibblah: It could.
[08:48:39] justinh: not by my hand it ain't :)
[08:48:45] Dibblah: You'd need a rather large well equiped lab and lots of patience, though.
[08:48:53] CCFL_Man: the authorization system is similar to their satellite distribution system, digicipher II, which has never been compromised
[08:49:13] justinh: Dibblah: and a team of people to protect your anonymity.. and to keep the Murdoch death squad from your door
[08:49:16] Dibblah: (decapsulator, SEM, something to strip the chip, etc)
[08:49:34] Dibblah: And _lots_ of cards.
[08:49:52] Dibblah: However, the next replacement cycle is coming up very soon.
[08:51:12] justinh: it's only a bleddy smart card thingy. how hard could it be?
[08:51:32] Dibblah: Very. It's got metal layers on top of the active layer.
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[08:51:55] Dibblah: So you have to carefully strip each layer (which may or may not contain actives)
[08:53:08] CCFL_Man: there is the smart card and the cam
[08:54:48] ruskie: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/27/tob_kitchen_computer/ <-- OMG
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[08:55:37] directhex: hire the same guys who murdoch hired to hack all sky-s competitors?
[08:55:45] CCFL_Man: i want some dolby digital trailers
[08:56:41] justinh: CCFL_Man: they're available from teh intarwebs
[08:56:49] justinh: *legally AFAIK
[08:57:08] CCFL_Man: justinh: yeah, super easy to find nowadays
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[08:58:09] CCFL_Man: put em on a vod server
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[08:59:01] ** directhex transcodes CCFL_Man to dirac **
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[08:59:22] asdasd: dudes how do i change the frontend res
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[08:59:33] justinh: how do you change the resolution of X?
[08:59:47] directhex: how do i shot web?
[08:59:57] asdasd: it loads up and it's too big and i can't do anything
[09:01:31] justinh: should be an easy job for somebody who's too lazy to type a proper nick
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[09:03:19] asdasd: .mythtv/ no config settings in here
[09:03:31] justinh: well DUH
[09:03:38] justinh: what distro are you running?
[09:04:20] asdasd: mythbunto
[09:04:36] asdasd: mythubunto
[09:04:59] justinh: so, you need to find out how to change the resueryuiwfdhsajklf-ution of X on mythubunto.. whatever the hell that is
[09:05:20] justinh: MYTHBUNTU
[09:05:45] justinh: ffs if you can't even SPELL the name of the distro you're using, GIVE UP
[09:05:47] asdasd: how do i kill the front end?
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[09:06:04] clever: justinh: be glad im not that bad:P
[09:06:05] justinh: how do you get a clue & read some mythbuntu documentation? I've no idea
[09:06:25] clever: doest mythbuntu have there own irc channel?
[09:06:27] kormoc: clever, you have your moments
[09:06:36] justinh: clever: yes mythbuntu have their own channel
[09:06:44] clever: then send him that way:P
[09:06:49] justinh: but since they take longer than 1ms to answer...
[09:07:06] clever: i usualy take 5–15 seconds to answer if im arround:P
[09:07:21] justinh: join #mythbongobongobingobuntu
[09:07:32] clever: its /join
[09:07:32] clever: :P
[09:07:44] justinh: RLY? OMG!
[09:08:06] clever: | 11458 | 2008-11–26 12:58:00 | Daily Planet | 1 | 0 | 1 | 272 | 2008-11–27 05:07:49 | d600 | High Quality: 532.0 MB => 406.5 MB | 2008-11–27 05:00:30 |
[09:08:14] clever: that should help things on my end a bit
[09:10:40] justinh: asdasd: you given up yet?
[09:14:46] ** justinh mutters something about launching the MCC & running "Launch Xorg config" from there. **
[09:15:13] justinh: assuming the MCC is entirely visible at that resolution of course. ROFLMAO
[09:15:51] justinh: so many ubuntu control applets just aren't viable at less than 1024x800
[09:15:54] asdasd: it's not
[09:16:09] justinh: BAD designer
[09:16:12] directhex: justinh, and gnome disallows moving a window past the top of the screen :)
[09:17:18] directhex: oh, but doesn't muthbuntu use xfwm4 as its wm?
[09:17:19] justinh: while scrollbars on dialogs would be slightly annoying.. at least they'd make it usable
[09:17:40] directhex: xfwm4 should be alt-draggable
[09:17:43] clever: directhex: that can be enabled
[09:18:00] clever: directhex: with metacity, you can enable a hidden option to move windows above the top
[09:18:07] justinh: clever: not if the dialog to enable it is bigger than 640x480 :P
[09:18:15] ** directhex runs clever through pbuilder **
[09:18:26] clever: justinh: that was within gconf-editor
[09:18:36] justinh: whut?
[09:18:37] clever: which can be resized easily to any res
[09:18:40] justinh: anyway whatever
[09:18:45] justinh: I don't care, clearlu
[09:18:48] justinh: *clearly
[09:18:59] clever: it was some walkthru to install ubuntu with only 640x480 in Xorg
[09:19:00] justinh: mythbuntu problems are mythbuntu's problem
[09:20:41] justinh: asdasd: looks to me like you'll be logging in remotely over ssh, then hand-editing xorg.conf & restarting X remotely too
[09:20:57] justinh: gotta love it when 'easy'
[09:20:59] ** directhex wonders if it's erven using a real driver **
[09:21:01] justinh: goes so wrong
[09:21:26] asdasd: alt alt f1 gets me to console
[09:21:37] asdasd: i have access to the xorg
[09:21:48] justinh: cool. I'll leave it in your capable hands then
[09:21:55] asdasd: i think it's frontend settings that are screwed
[09:22:08] justinh: so what res is X running at?
[09:22:27] justinh: and how did you manage to break the frontend settings?
[09:22:28] justinh: :P
[09:22:38] asdasd: i think it's 1024x768
[09:22:43] ** kormoc wonders if English is asdasd's first language **
[09:22:53] asdasd: no information in xorg.conf
[09:23:16] justinh: well, try running mythfrontend with the --reset option
[09:24:18] justinh: that'll reset the theme & display related stuff to defaults
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[09:24:45] asdasd: command doesn't do anything
[09:25:13] justinh: what? mythfrontend --reset doesn't launch a new frontend which fills the screen?
[09:25:45] justinh: and you don't get any errors reported?
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[09:26:31] asdasd: can't start gtk or something, i just did a restart
[09:26:38] justinh: see this is completely why I ended up using a real distro. if your mindset isn't atuned to a ready-rolled distro's definition of logic it all goes bollock-shaped rapidly
[09:27:25] asdasd: I've always had issues with tv-out and frontend resolutions
[09:27:52] kormoc: What style tv output?
[09:28:12] asdasd: still screwed, ubunto has the right res, but as soon as frontend loads..just all dark
[09:28:27] asdasd: compoment i576
[09:28:35] asdasd: it was working before
[09:28:54] asdasd: changing from 800x600 to 1024x768
[09:29:17] justinh: I'm not buying that for a second
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[09:31:57] justinh: everything was working til I ran sudo rm -rf /
[09:32:12] justinh: then all of a sudden, command not founded!!!!!!
[09:35:09] clever: justinh: ive moved /bin/ by mistake before:P
[09:35:21] clever: and was able to fix it without rebooting to a rescue root
[09:35:25] asdasd: to exit the frontend it would escape, right then enter?
[09:35:48] asdasd: once it loads i mean
[09:36:00] clever: alt+f4 also works for most window managers
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[10:55:09] \malex\: does the mythtv wiki no longer support search? none of the searches i try return anything, even for common things like usb
[10:55:38] justinh: user error
[10:56:11] \malex\: justinh: when you enter "usb" into the search box in the left column and hit "search" button, you get results?
[10:56:42] justinh: no
[10:57:17] \malex\: google, otoh, finds a bunch of entries
[10:57:34] justinh: no sh!!!
[10:57:40] justinh: effing heck
[10:57:51] \malex\: am i missing something?
[10:57:57] justinh: so just because the mythtv wiki has no pages to do with 'usb' you think it's broked?
[10:58:16] justinh: mediawiki's search is retarded, though
[10:58:36] \malex\: no, i mean google finds plenty of pages on the mythtv wiki, when searching for "usb inurl:mythtv.org/wiki"
[10:58:46] justinh: mediawiki's search is retarded, though
[10:58:57] \malex\: right, i'm starting to realize this :)
[10:59:06] clever: even wikipedia's search is dumb, it cant even find similar words like google can
[10:59:20] clever: i have to spell it exactly or it wont find a thing
[11:00:36] \malex\: highly annoying when you can't search even with the proper spelling
[11:01:10] justinh: try different search terms then
[11:01:23] \malex\: justinh: did, none of them return anything
[11:01:27] justinh: or just write off the wiki as what it is.. virtually useless
[11:01:39] justinh: full of nothing but opinion & user requests
[11:02:11] justinh: thats the problem with wikis. anybody can login
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[11:14:05] ruskie: is there a way to run various media scans from a shell?
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[11:45:57] justinh: ruskie: nope & nope
[11:46:18] justinh: hey hey. make way. married man in the channel :) Hiya Stuarta :)
[11:47:28] ** stuarta waves **
[11:47:44] justinh: chuffing useless managers. we had a tidyup last friday. manager decides they should get A SKIP to dispatch said rubbish. A SKIP. FFS
[11:48:47] ruskie: justinh, :(
[11:49:07] justinh: ruskie: cos you've not written it yet :)
[11:51:05] ruskie: lol
[11:51:08] AndyCap: iirc mediawiki / mysql only indexes words for letters and longer
[11:51:14] AndyCap: four...
[11:51:58] justinh: AndyCap: how ironic
[11:56:38] justinh: there we go. rubbish pile isn't noticably smaller & the skip is full. Sack the manager
[11:57:00] justinh: good honeymoon stuarta ?
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[12:00:22] stuarta: 2 weeks, beach, mauritius. Yeah good honeymoon :)
[12:01:14] AndyCap: justinh: stuff the rest in his office?
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[13:59:50] FinnTux: any idea when next version is going to be released? in 1 month, 6 months or more like 2 years from now?
[14:00:23] justinh: more like 10 years if people keep fscking asking
[14:00:30] justinh: and opening new tickets
[14:00:44] justinh: so QUIT IT
[14:01:33] jduggan: lol
[14:01:38] FinnTux: how is asking going to delay it?
[14:01:50] justinh: anyway, the vidpau stuff might very well delay things..
[14:01:55] stuarta: cause we spend time answering stupid questions rather than coding
[14:01:58] FinnTux: keep in mind that I didn't ask a date or anything. just a ballpark number
[14:02:09] justinh: FinnTux: what effing difference does it make?
[14:02:11] jduggan: FinnTux: its an opensource project with man developers, there's no deadlines to meet, its quite common that the next release is ready when its ready ;]
[14:02:16] jduggan: many*
[14:02:19] justinh: want to get your slashdot lame comment in first?
[14:02:52] justinh: oops. that was like a double superlative
[14:03:03] stuarta: oh i can guarantee the vdpau stuff will go in since many of the devs are interested in that
[14:03:11] FinnTux: no, I wanna plan my move to 0.22 (or whatever it is called) in advance.
[14:03:13] stuarta: and it's currently pre alpha
[14:03:30] justinh: FinnTux: rest easy then. plenty of time
[14:03:35] justinh: PLENTY
[14:03:50] stuarta: not before easter if i was a betting man
[14:03:52] FinnTux: see, it wasn't that hard after all. that was a good answer
[14:04:29] jduggan: FinnTux: if you're interested in seeing progress, you can checkout the latest trunk on a dev box
[14:04:41] justinh: fscking foreigners
[14:05:02] FinnTux: I have not followed development for a while cos life has been busy. just happily used 0.21-fixes
[14:05:24] jduggan: are you waiting on a .22 feature that you dont have already?
[14:05:35] FinnTux: new UI
[14:05:46] FinnTux: not that important though
[14:05:50] jduggan: meh, aesthetics are the last thing to worry about =]
[14:07:41] stuarta: still some niggles from the qt4 to sort out
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[14:08:07] justinh: the new UI is not going to show its true colours until themers get off their arses
[14:08:29] justinh: no core themes will flex the new UI libraries
[14:08:29] stuarta: it's still under heavy development anyway
[14:08:54] justinh: so even when it's all done it's very likely to look very much the same :P
[14:09:37] jduggan: i have a working system, i havent even upgraded for probably 10 months or more.. it just `works`, the only reason i'd be interested to upgrade is for the vdpau patches, to get a slower box with an nvidia card playing HD in the lounge... but im in no rush
[14:10:07] jduggan: too many ppl worry bout bleedin edge =]
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[14:12:30] justinh: some people shouldn't play wioth sharp objects :)
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[14:13:21] jamiem: hmm
[14:13:47] jamiem: how come a 2.4GB mpeg2 file when mencoded with -oac copy -ovc copy is suddenly only 1.6GB?
[14:14:07] jduggan: .22 will be out 4 or 5 months before id consider upgradin... i want real world examples of low spec cpu's using the gpu, to see exactly what i can get away with
[14:14:35] jduggan: it would be a real bonus if one can use a low powered/heat atom cpu with an nvidia card and have a pretty useable HD system
[14:17:20] directhex: jamiem, only one audio stream, no more TS packets? seems like a big drop even then
[14:17:55] jamiem: directhex: thanks. That makes sense. I also trimmed it – that probably accounts for something
[14:18:13] ** jamiem googles TS packets **
[14:18:33] ** stuarta applauds jamiem for his use of google **
[14:19:11] jamiem: oic
[14:19:33] iamlindoro: You lucky brits missed the knock-down-drag-out fight last night about whether there was such a thing as a container format
[14:19:50] stuarta: i hope the big cluebat was used
[14:19:51] jamiem: bummer.
[14:20:40] justinh: I hope napalm was used
[14:20:44] iamlindoro: It was amplified by the whole "Whatever, I work in broadcasting and you don't, NYAH!" attitude
[14:21:52] iamlindoro: Other gems include "the FCC forbids us broadcasters from using h.264!" (even though h.264 is now part of ATSC) and "HDMI is going to be replaced with HD-SDI like at my BROADCAST STAYSHUN" (even though HD-SDI is a crap format)
[14:22:15] stuarta: and hdmi is an interface
[14:22:26] directhex: <Lexridge> well, MPEG2 TS stream coding is NOT a container. IT is as it reads, MPEG2 TS encoding.
[14:22:50] stuarta: technically that's correct
[14:22:59] iamlindoro: and then, further down, the bit about "OK OK, it is a container, but not like xvid is a container"
[14:22:59] stuarta: however we also use it as a container
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[14:23:25] iamlindoro: xvid?? container??
[14:23:37] jamiem: matroska?
[14:23:39] jamiem: or something
[14:23:58] iamlindoro: no, xvid is not a container, that's the point.
[14:25:01] iamlindoro: stuarta: That's *not* technically correct though. Mpeg-2 *TS* IS just a container. MPEG-2 *video codec* is a codec
[14:25:19] directhex: <Lexridge> Hey, I have been in broadcasting for 26 years. I'm an expert in my field. I'm glad to have given you an orgasm because you claim to know broadcasting better than I. I'm in the business, you are not.
[14:25:28] iamlindoro: \o/
[14:25:36] directhex: <Lexridge> I'm new to HDTV like most broadcasters. We're still learning, but I have been using mpeg formats for years. Sure, it's a container format, but not like xvid or avi by any means.
[14:25:38] stuarta: it's all splitting hairs anyway
[14:26:06] stuarta: at the end of the day, i don't really give a shit if you want to call it a format / container / or an arsewipe
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[14:27:39] directhex: <Lexridge> ccfl_man: Me too! I have had to replace my Dish 622 rx 4 times in less than one year! <-- doesn't Dish Network use h264? ^_^
[14:27:49] iamlindoro: yes
[14:29:06] ** stuarta ho hums **
[14:29:18] ** jduggan farts **
[14:29:30] ** directhex installs mono on jduggan as punishment **
[14:29:35] jduggan: eugh
[14:29:37] jduggan: =]
[14:30:34] ** stuarta wonders when ATI will release their API **
[14:30:44] stuarta: a while methinks
[14:31:00] ** stuarta sp0rks directhex for fun **
[14:31:04] iamlindoro: I think they're pretty locked into their dev cycle, I bet it'll correspond to a driver release
[14:31:17] directhex: iamlindoro, aren't those monthly tho?
[14:31:21] iamlindoro: yeah
[14:31:29] ** directhex chopsticks stuarta **
[14:31:29] stuarta: rumoured to be multiple teams
[14:31:32] iamlindoro: but by three different teams, each with a three month cycle
[14:31:37] sphery: I'm planning a complete upgrade of my entire network--the perfect time to switch from NVIDIA to ATI--and now I don't know if it's worthwhile because ATI hasn't released their API...
[14:31:37] directhex: o_o
[14:31:41] directhex: madness!
[14:31:50] directhex: sphery, whereas nvidia have a working implementation...
[14:31:55] stuarta: i'd wait 5 months if i was you
[14:32:01] iamlindoro: and myth patches, no less
[14:32:10] iamlindoro: well, nvidia doesn't have those, but they exist :)
[14:32:16] stuarta: at this very moment if my ATI blows up i'll get an nvidia
[14:33:17] iamlindoro: I have a 10k run this morning. Can't I just be fat instead?
[14:33:24] sphery: directhex: Yeah, but I have no need for GPU-assisted decoding, so choice of video card comes down to philosophy and driver support (meaning I'm wondering whether ATI--whose driver support recently surpassed NVIDIA's--will release their API to keep the lead)
[14:33:53] stuarta: they will, it's just a matter of time
[14:34:07] sphery: heh... The funny thing is that for me planning a complete network upgrade generally means it will occur in about 5–6 months.  :)
[14:34:25] stuarta: still can't get the ATI driver to work tho.
[14:35:53] stuarta: maybe next time i rebuild my machine
[14:35:58] iamlindoro: yeah, sphery will spend the next 5 months replacing failed 1.5 TB drives, anyway
[14:36:04] stuarta: hah
[14:36:08] directhex: i'd like a new pc. perhaps if i win the lottery
[14:36:12] directhex: could also do with a new teevee
[14:36:30] directhex: they're coming down in price. 40" 1080p sony for the price i paid for my 26" samsung a few years ago
[14:36:32] ** sphery is still thinking of a witty comeback for iamlindoro's remark **
[14:36:52] directhex: sphery, "yeah, well... your mum!"
[14:37:03] iamlindoro: directhex: 42" 1080p going for about $650 tomorrow here
[14:37:18] sphery: iamlindoro: where's here?
[14:37:21] stuarta: i was looking at these the other day, then read the review http://www.amazon.co.uk/SPEED-LINK-Media-Remo . . . cr_pr_sims_t
[14:37:27] stuarta: still tempted
[14:37:29] iamlindoro: sphery: "Anywhere in the USA?"
[14:37:31] sphery: (store-wize, especially)
[14:37:47] iamlindoro: sphery: Believe that particular example is a Vizio at Sears, though
[14:37:52] sphery: cool
[14:38:17] directhex: Vizio? o_o
[14:38:34] justinh: top brand!
[14:38:39] iamlindoro: They're not bad, actually. Some getting pretty decent reviews
[14:38:48] justinh: twinned with MUHTek
[14:39:02] sphery: Vizio--for people who realize that HDTV is all about hype, and who would rather not waste money buying a name
[14:39:23] iamlindoro: "32-inch 1080p VOJ32LF LCD for $559.99 at Sears and the 42-inch 1080p VS420 for $698 at Sam's Club."
[14:39:30] iamlindoro: I stand corrected about the price, sorry
[14:39:34] iamlindoro: but still pretty darn good
[14:39:46] justinh: for people who don't mind if the scaling/deinterlacing engine is poo cos they'll be using a computer to do it for em
[14:39:55] sphery: iamlindoro: so you'll send me a check for the other $48?
[14:40:04] sphery: justinh: exactly
[14:40:31] iamlindoro: sphery: I'll just ahrvest that off my money tree, then
[14:40:48] sphery: actually, though, even at $700 it's not bad.
[14:41:00] iamlindoro: I am half-tempted to upgrade the upstairs 720p to a 1080p at those prices
[14:41:10] iamlindoro: But I am just NOT waiting in a line
[14:41:34] sphery: I'm considering buying an HDTV for my brother--it would make the XBox 360 sessions a /lot/ more fun (as he really can't see the enemies coming at him :)
[14:42:29] directhex: an hdtv is vital for some 360 games
[14:42:51] directhex: without it, may as well stick with an old xbox, you won't notice the improvements in visuals
[14:43:14] sphery: Yeah. We have some where he can't even read the UI to find how to set things up. Only reason he has the 360 is so he can play games with us online.
[14:44:23] directhex: a few are not actually tested properly on sdtv, and have unreadable text or other issues
[14:44:23] justinh: sphery: just a PAL TV would help there :P
[14:44:38] directhex: king kong is too dark to see; dead rising and viva pinata have too small a font
[14:44:44] sphery: true, NTSC is the worst-case scenario for it
[14:45:24] sphery: I'm still upset that I--an Orange Box owner--don't get a discount on the new Portal game/download... :(
[14:45:58] justinh: that reminds me. I still need to back up my svn rep[os
[14:46:02] directhex: sphery, it's just a freeware expansion from t'internets
[14:46:30] sphery: not the one on XBL :)... Costs 1200MS points, IIRC.
[14:46:34] sphery: ($15)
[14:47:06] directhex: sphery, right. but it's just portal plus freeware portal flash version map pack
[14:47:43] sphery: Hmmm. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN42A450-42-Inc . . . &sr=8-1# says "List Price: $999.99", but with the strikethrough it looks like $000.00
[14:47:58] sphery: I'd buy it for $000.00
[14:55:14] iamlindoro: Seems a bit late in the game to be buying 720p TVs, though
[14:56:08] iamlindoro: Especially at that price
[14:56:13] iamlindoro: ($800)
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[14:58:10] justinh: 30 more godforsaken minutes left today
[14:59:19] stuarta: i started at 6.40am, i might go home early
[15:00:03] justinh: I would :)
[15:00:15] justinh: leaving at 3.30 I still earn 30 mins flexitime
[15:01:46] justinh: damn. I should ring that club & put my name down on the guestlist
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[15:21:58] z4chh: anyone know if this is supported on linux?
[15:21:59] z4chh: http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1& . . . 0&go.y=0
[15:22:59] directhex: z4chh, where have you seached for an answer, other than in a channel relating to an app which just uses whichever v4l device you have that works?
[15:23:14] tank-man: yes linux supports urls
[15:23:20] tank-man: there are many web browsers
[15:23:27] tank-man: :P
[15:23:32] directhex: i lol'd
[15:24:37] z4chh: well with mythtv..i didn't see it listed..but i wanted to see if anyone here might of tried it
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[15:27:04] directhex: 'have'
[15:29:19] z4chh: eh?
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[15:29:42] iamlindoro__: "might *have* tried it"
[15:30:20] iamlindoro__: or even "might've" if necessary
[15:31:11] z4chh: might've? never seen that one ;p
[15:31:38] iamlindoro__: And yet both of mine are right and yours was wrong. That was directhex's point.
[15:31:42] janneg: any tipps how one could measure the gpu utilization?
[15:32:17] z4chh: iamlindoro, your point?
[15:32:28] directhex: janneg, code an 'lsgpu' tool!
[15:32:46] iamlindoro__: It wasn't *my* point
[15:33:24] fuxxy: My backend just borked.
[15:33:46] z4chh: iamlindoro, directhex's point?
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[15:34:00] fuxxy: with no mention of which in the log, guess I need to increase the log verbosity.
[15:34:29] janneg: vdpau playback of a 1080i h264 recording increases the gpu core temperature 4–5 degrees kelvin
[15:35:36] tank-man: kelvin isnt measured in degrees i thinki
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[15:36:50] janneg: true
[15:40:42] at0m|c: and K/C doesnt matter for differences :o
[15:43:10] fuxxy: Woot, mythbackend segfault
[15:43:20] stuarta: \o/
[15:43:27] fuxxy: Nov 27 09:31:38 [kernel] mythbackend[2332]: segfault at f2a01e37 ip b5b8b981 sp b05fea98 error 5 in libc-2.5.so[b5b28000+122000]
[15:44:31] stuarta: pastebin the full error
[15:46:32] fuxxy: stuarta, myth's log didn't show an error, that was the system log. I'm trying to make it sefault again.
[15:46:52] stuarta: there should be more than 1 line with mythbackend on it
[15:47:11] z4chh: kelvin is measured in kelvin >.<
[15:47:48] fuxxy: stuarta, nope, just one line in the system log.
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[15:49:41] wagnerrp: sphery: new portal game?
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[15:51:38] stuarta: is it repeatable?
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[15:53:44] wagnerrp: sphery: seems its just a bunch of challenge levels based off a user-made map pack
[15:54:27] sphery: wagnerrp: yeah, that's what directhex was saying. It's a new purchase on XBox Live, though.  :(
[15:55:53] wagnerrp: but the map pack is for free on the PC
[15:56:40] wagnerrp: back to cleaning before guests come...
[16:04:31] Dibblah: janneg: How well does it cope with stream corruption, though?
[16:06:06] janneg: Dibblah: I don't know, I don't have corrupted streams, I would guess not better than xvmc cope with coorrupted mpeg2 streams
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[17:13:08] Finswimmer: hello, i am trying to get a frontend working on a different pc (gentoo). I installed it, set it up, now it hangs with:Testing network connectivity to 192.168.1.5
[17:13:28] Finswimmer: Am I missing an option?
[17:13:45] Finswimmer: the connection is wlan. is this too slow?
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[17:15:04] justinh1: one partition down, one to go.. once I install the other new HDD
[17:16:57] sphery: Finswimmer: Likely too slow to be useful, but should progress past that point. Looks like your backend (192.168.1.5) is set to drop ICMP ping packets, so you either have to tell the new system not to do a network test or enable ping on the backend.
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[17:18:04] gbee: crap, just remembered the one thing I've overlooked for this new machine, no SD card slot/reader
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[17:18:22] gbee: not a biggy, just annoying
[17:19:59] justinh1: going to be interesting to see if this box manages to mount the hdds in the right order every bootup
[17:20:17] Finswimmer: sphery: now this is my last line: 2008-11–27 18:20:03.276 New DB connection, total: 1
[17:21:11] sphery: Finswimmer: then it's probably past the network test.
[17:21:22] Finswimmer: what about my local mysql server? can there be an error?
[17:21:41] Dibblah: justinh1: You've used labels, right?
[17:21:54] wagnerrp: your local mysql server must be set up to allow connections over the network
[17:21:59] Dibblah: LABEL=disk1 /mnt/disk1 ext2 noatime 0 0
[17:22:02] wagnerrp: i dont know if gentoo allows that by default
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[17:22:23] Dibblah: and tune2fs -L
[17:22:27] Finswimmer: wagnerrp: which server do you mean? frontend or backend?
[17:22:34] wagnerrp: mysql
[17:22:40] Dibblah: Or whatever your filesystem of choice uses.
[17:23:05] wagnerrp: mythtv uses a mysql database for storage of all non-video data
[17:23:15] justinh1: Dibblah: dunno how yet. my last attempt failed
[17:23:26] wagnerrp: when you emerge mythtv, it picks up mysql as a dependency automatically
[17:23:30] justinh1: but it looks like /dev/sdb isn't where it was since I just added the new HDD
[17:23:32] Finswimmer: wagnerrp: yeah. but where is that mysql server? on the frontend or backend? (as I read that one need a local mysql server)
[17:23:35] wagnerrp: and you should have had to set up some things on it manyally
[17:23:54] wagnerrp: the mysql server is wherever you want it to be
[17:24:06] wagnerrp: i have mine on a completely independent machine
[17:24:18] wagnerrp: but most likely, yours is on your backend machine
[17:24:37] Finswimmer: but I do only need exactly 1 mysql server? or 1 on the backend and 1 on the frontend?
[17:24:47] wagnerrp: one server
[17:26:27] Finswimmer: ok
[17:26:54] wagnerrp: beyond that, mythtv must be set up to use a real IP address for the backend (rather than the default 127.0.0.1)
[17:27:03] wagnerrp: thats the first page of the first item in mythtv-setup
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[17:27:11] jduggan: -
[17:27:21] wagnerrp: and any firewalls you may have set up need to be punched through
[17:28:14] wagnerrp: mythtv wants ports 6543–6547, and mysql wants port 3306
[17:28:45] wagnerrp: oh, and mysql wants database permissions for the remote IP
[17:29:15] wagnerrp: those four things are all thats necessary (and are all needed) for running a remote frontend
[17:29:36] Finswimmer: there is no firewall on my internal lan. but i must give the backend a real ip. and database permissions may be wrong on my mythbuntu backend.
[17:30:25] wagnerrp: im fairly certain the mysql server in ubuntu does not connect to the network by default
[17:31:45] gbee: skip-networking
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[17:32:13] gbee: quite a few distros disable networking on the mysql server because of the security implications
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[17:33:06] Finswimmer: my.cnf says this: # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on
[17:33:07] Finswimmer: # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure.
[17:33:09] Finswimmer: bind-address = 127.0.0.1
[17:33:30] Finswimmer: but what should i insert instead? 192.168.1.* ?
[17:33:55] gbee: aye, the ip address for the machine on which the server is running
[17:34:29] wagnerrp: yes, the ip address of the local machine, not the address range you will be receiving traffic from
[17:34:35] justinh2: bouncy
[17:34:53] justinh2: labels sorted this time.. properly
[17:35:07] wagnerrp: you will be listening on an address, not listening from other addresses
[17:37:04] Piper69: mzb_d800: you arround buddy
[17:37:29] wagnerrp: any way to query the telnet server to see what is currently playing at this moment?
[17:39:24] Finswimmer: yeah. after changing mysql and restarting the frontend, it seems to work :)
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[17:45:23] Finswimmer: but watching something in my media library leads me to: the file of this recording can not be found. on my other frontend (which is on the same machine as my backend) it is working
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[17:49:22] Piper69: anyone using Hauppauge HVR-1600 on Etch please help me
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[17:59:47] Finswimmer: wagnerrp: hmm. starting it works, but watching a video leads me to: 2008-11–27 19:00:09.560 RingBuf(//): OpenFile(//, 12)
[17:59:48] Finswimmer: 2008-11–27 19:00:16.060 RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '//'.
[18:01:54] Piper69: I am trying to install Hauppauge HVR-1600 on my Debian-etch and i am following this tut http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . lation_Guide , at step 1.4 when i do make i recive this error http://paste.debian.net/22394/
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[18:05:11] justinh2: bugger. rsync is failing. permissions issues
[18:08:54] Finswimmer: hmm. i think it is an opengl problem...
[18:09:20] iamlindoro__: Problems compiling v4l-dvb should be troubleshot in #linuxtv
[18:09:31] iamlindoro__: But you are missing your kernel headers. Seek more help there.
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[18:15:35] gbee: anyone know where the GF 8200 IGp stands compared to a GF 6200? I'm getting some pretty disappointing performance figure from this 8200
[18:17:39] Finswimmer: hmm. liveTV is working.
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[18:24:12] gbee: well I better be impressed by VDPAU, because so far I'm extremely unimpressed by the GL performance of the 8200 :(
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[18:37:50] gbee: so, about that buyer's remorse
[18:38:47] directhex: hm?
[18:41:17] gbee: joke, iamlindoro was asking whether I had buyers remorse after receiving the new mobo, at the time I said none at all
[18:42:12] gbee: but this Nvidia 8200 performance compared to the 4 year old 6200 in my laptop would make anyone cry,over a 1/3 slower
[18:43:14] gbee: I expected it to perform better but equal performance would have been ok, to be so much slower is a crushing disappointment
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[18:45:51] iamlindoro__: gbee, is that with the VDPAU-capable drivers?
[18:46:20] iamlindoro__: ISTR reading that they had been in no way optimized yet and were intended only to allow experimentation w/ VDPAU
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[18:46:34] iamlindoro__: But if it's release drivers, then I'd suspect something is up, that sounds wrong
[18:46:41] gbee: well I'm not alone, found someone on the Nvidia forums with the same complaint – older slower machine with a 7xxx series is 50% faster than the 8200 in a faster system
[18:46:48] gbee: release drivers
[18:46:50] Saviq: http://pastebin.ca/1268812
[18:47:01] Saviq: guys what's wrong with my dvd playback? ^^
[18:47:17] iamlindoro__: Hmm... yeah, something seems strange about that, is it lagging in any way that you would notice with Myth, gbee?
[18:48:28] gbee: not video performance, gl rendered screens have seemed a little laggy but I put that down to things I had running in the background at the time and having plasma effects enabled
[18:48:53] justinh1: Saviq: what's so hard about that error message?
[18:49:01] gbee: but haven't disabled the plasma stuff and doing a like for like comparison with the laptop with the same settings ...
[18:49:14] justinh1: Saviq: it might as well say "HAVE YOU PLUGGED IT IN?"
[18:49:15] gbee: s/haven't/having/
[18:49:16] Saviq: justinh1 well it doesn't really explain what's the problem?
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[18:49:59] iamlindoro__: gbee, That sucks, has to be a bug
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[18:52:51] justinh: oof. this rsync is gonna take quite some time
[18:54:05] justinh: Saviq: when a program complains it can't access a device one would normally think to check that the user running said program has permission to use that device
[18:54:05] iamlindoro__: gbee, Testing based on glxgears, or...?
[18:54:26] Saviq: justinh: well, it does
[18:54:43] iamlindoro__: I'm getting 4500 or so FPS on the IGP 9300 with glxgears, but no idea how that would compare to non-IGP or other nvidia
[18:55:03] justinh: Saviq: so rather than presenting FA information, furnish the channel with as much as YOU know about the problem
[18:55:15] justinh: ducking foreigners
[18:55:18] gbee: glxgears, which I know isn't scientific, but I already knew that something wasn't right because of the generally laggy feeling of the plasma effects compared to the laptop and mythui
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[18:55:29] directhex: gbee, plasma as in kde?
[18:55:34] gbee: aye
[18:55:47] directhex: gbee, nvidia have dreadful problems with 2d performance
[18:55:56] directhex: on recentish cards
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[18:56:08] directhex: manifests worst in kde4 :)
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[18:56:37] gbee: the effect disabled now, at least as far as I can, matches the settings on the laptop which is running the same recently installed release
[18:56:46] ** gbee doesn't like this new keyboard **
[18:58:02] iamlindoro__: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7752237.stm
[18:58:03] gbee: for all intents, the only differences on the systems are the GPU :/ I'm prepared to believe it might be a bug, but that forum post I found suggests it's an old one which they have yet to fix
[18:58:14] iamlindoro__: It's a nation of a BILLION people, why can't they mike their head guy properly?
[18:58:31] iamlindoro__: It's like a freakin' drivethrough in that video
[18:59:38] justinh: iamlindoro__: and to think most call centres for UK services are over there
[18:59:55] wagnerrp: im doing ~4k on my 8400, at whatever the default resolution is
[19:00:08] gbee: iamlindoro: between 900–1100, occassionally hitting a max of 1300 fps with glxgears and 177.80 – compared to a steady 1700+ with the 6200
[19:00:10] iamlindoro__: I feel awful for them, what a mess it was yesterday
[19:00:36] iamlindoro__: gbee, wow, yeah, seems it should be much better (based on no knowledge of actual benchmarks)
[19:01:16] justinh: gbee: what does it matter, so long as video is decoded nicely? ;-)
[19:01:25] wagnerrp: my rage128-powered laptop will do 800fps
[19:01:46] wagnerrp: of course thats at only 16-bit color
[19:02:04] iamlindoro__: Oh know, now we're bound to hear/see the pastes of you know who
[19:02:07] wagnerrp: there is insufficient memory to do both 24-bit color, and 3D acceleration at the same time
[19:02:11] kormoc: gbee, I'm getting ~ 8.5 to 9.5k with a 8800gt
[19:02:27] iamlindoro__: er "Oh No"
[19:02:29] wagnerrp: it just goes to show that glxgears is next to meaningless
[19:02:41] wagnerrp: it basically shows that something is working
[19:02:42] gbee: if it was just a frontend I'd agree, but it's going to be doubling up as my new desktop and should be able to smoothly run mythui on one screen while I work on the other – I don't see it doing that with that level of performance
[19:05:32] iamlindoro__: Couldn't hurt to spend a few minutes doing the driver tango
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[19:05:52] iamlindoro__: nVidia drivers do have a tendency to go from utter FAIL one revision to orgasmic bliss the next
[19:05:59] gbee: yeah
[19:06:50] gbee: oh that's just wrong, now video playback is suffering badly, seemed fine earlier
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[19:09:01] gbee: has to be the driver
[19:09:42] ruskie: hmm anyone had issues with visualboyadavnce not exiting cleanly and leaving the screen state in a inconsistent state(read not at the proper res?)
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[19:11:44] iamlindoro__: ruskie, You've been asking that for several days-- most of us don't use mythgame at all, let alone that emulator, you really ought to seek help from its author
[19:12:23] justinh: the emulator author, that is
[19:12:27] iamlindoro__: right
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[19:12:54] wagnerrp: was visualboy the '3d' set they made in the early 90s?
[19:13:13] iamlindoro__: visualboy advance is a GBA emu
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[19:13:17] justinh: dunno, sounds very renty anyhow
[19:13:28] iamlindoro__: the one you're thinking of was a Virtual Boy
[19:13:35] iamlindoro__: (Which I owned, oh yes I did)
[19:13:36] wagnerrp: virtual boy, yeah
[19:13:44] ruskie: iamlindoro__, sorry
[19:14:09] iamlindoro__: ruskie, Nothing to be sorry about, just saying you are unlikely to get anything here and suggesting an alternate route for help
[19:14:12] directhex: does iamlindoro still see the world in reds & blacks?
[19:14:26] iamlindoro__: I see the world in red and voids
[19:14:45] iamlindoro__: There is only the empty void and a red wireframe mario
[19:14:54] iamlindoro__: Bow to the wireframe mario!
[19:15:18] directhex: wario?
[19:15:35] iamlindoro__: I know I had Mario tennis, and one other, but can't remember which
[19:15:41] iamlindoro__: something vaguely zaxxon-like
[19:16:03] iamlindoro__: That's right, I said Zaxxon, Olllllld schoooooool
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[19:20:33] wagnerrp: there was a waterworld game on the virtualboy? that must have been what sealed its fate
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[19:21:07] iamlindoro__: Heh, the costner touch of death
[19:25:25] wagnerrp: well at least it wasnt as bad as ShaqFu
[19:25:51] wagnerrp: apparently that game has a website dedicated to the purchase and destruction of every copy in existence
[19:26:09] iamlindoro__: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30755.html
[19:26:13] iamlindoro__: Highly recommended
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[19:26:37] wagnerrp: ah, havent gone through any of his reviews recently
[19:26:46] Saviq: what can I be missing if the visualization eats up 100% of my cpu?
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[19:27:15] iamlindoro__: The "--disable-libvisual" flag
[19:27:22] Saviq: oh
[19:27:29] Saviq: interesting
[19:27:34] iamlindoro__: Sort of a joke
[19:27:41] iamlindoro__: libvisual suuuuuuuuuuu.......
[19:27:43] Saviq: really?
[19:27:44] iamlindoro__: ...uuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
[19:27:45] iamlindoro__: s
[19:27:59] iamlindoro__: And the visualizations suck. Better not used.
[19:28:32] gbee: funny how everyone wanted libvisual suppport and when it's finally added, no-one wants it
[19:28:59] iamlindoro__: gbee, Not dogging the effort put in to getting it in there, I don't mean offense
[19:29:08] Saviq: well I want it, i'm not sure synaesthesia is libvisual anyway?
[19:29:35] gbee: iamlindoro__: I didn't add it, no offence taken
[19:29:37] iamlindoro__: If you want it, then you'll put up with the bugs, adn that's a common one
[19:29:49] Saviq: :/
[19:30:01] gbee: brb, stupid nvidia installer still requires you to shutdown X first
[19:30:02] iamlindoro__: People aren't exactly lining up to fix it up or improve it either
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[19:39:18] gbee: upgrading to the beta 180.0 driver has made a massive difference
[19:39:26] iamlindoro__: for the better, I hope
[19:39:40] gbee: difference is incredible – - http://pastebin.ca/1268863
[19:39:50] kormoc: The window's 180 driver claims improvements of upto 80% in certain games, it's amazing
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[19:39:59] gbee: but no, 2 frames per second is not better :)
[19:40:05] gbee: it's different though
[19:40:12] aarcane: is mythfrontend supposed to launch 6 copies of itsself when I run it ?
[19:40:12] ** stuarta chuckles **
[19:40:27] stuarta: aarcane: that'll be _threads_
[19:40:28] iamlindoro__: gbee, Ugh, you had be hoping there...
[19:40:29] kormoc: harsh
[19:40:34] iamlindoro__: had me
[19:42:05] gbee: it picked up to 1000 fps once konversation had finished loading in the background, but that's no better than the 177.80/177.82 drivers
[19:43:12] gbee: I'll try downgrading to 177.70, since that's what the laptop is still running
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[19:44:11] ruskie: iamlindoro__, better solution... switch to mednafen ;)
[19:44:28] iamlindoro__: Sounds like it's prescription-only
[19:44:54] stuarta: sounds more like medicine for an obscure complaint
[19:47:28] ruskie: lol
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[19:50:19] directhex: yeah. that damn justinh
[19:50:22] wagnerrp: 'i didnt pick these games, this is all of them. i just reviewed every virtual boy game to be released in north america'
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[19:50:52] iamlindoro__: welcome one and all
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[19:51:14] iamlindoro__: wagnerrp, I think Red Alarm is the other game I had
[19:52:01] wagnerrp: ive played around with 3d a bit
[19:52:12] wagnerrp: real 3d, not shutter glasses, or red-green filters
[19:52:22] wagnerrp: it just hurts if you use it for very long
[19:52:29] kormoc: so you went outside?
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[19:52:36] kormoc: the day star didn't blind you?!?!
[19:52:53] iamlindoro__: heh, day star
[19:52:53] directhex: :o
[19:53:01] wagnerrp: na, weve got a stereoscopic setup at work
[19:53:18] ** iamlindoro__ puts his mouse in front of his keyboard and marvels at the FreeDee **
[19:53:30] iamlindoro__: It's like I'm really there!
[19:53:41] directhex: YOUR WORLD ORBITS A BALL OF FLAME!
[19:53:59] iamlindoro__: Your mom's a ball of flame
[19:54:06] kormoc: SAVAGES!
[19:54:44] iamlindoro__: I'm not even supposed to be here today...
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[19:55:29] kormoc: iamlindoro__, least you're not in a quickie mart
[19:55:59] iamlindoro__: Yay clerks
[19:56:03] klpt: oh boy; I just installed an svn version of mythtv
[19:56:16] kormoc: klpt, DOOM! GLOOM!
[19:56:16] iamlindoro__: My favorite SVN is 18-fixes
[19:56:26] iamlindoro__: Though I quite like .20.2
[19:56:27] wagnerrp: hmm... ibm predicts 'solar phones' in 5 years
[19:56:35] klpt: haha, doom and gloom indeed
[19:56:38] directhex: iamlindoro__, all the best plugins are for 0.18
[19:56:41] wagnerrp: i dont know about anyone else, but i keep my phone in a dark pocket
[19:56:50] iamlindoro__: Mmm, ocracy
[19:57:12] klpt: it's been a really long time since a release and some things like the imdb.pl script have stopped working well in the 0.21 version
[19:57:15] klpt: so I figured it might be a good idea to try the svn version
[19:57:28] klpt: it... mostly seems to work
[19:57:28] iamlindoro__: joke's on you, imdb.pl is being removed
[19:57:29] wagnerrp: the imdb.pl script is for all intents and purposes, dead
[19:57:35] kormoc: in the middle of two major overhauls!
[19:57:49] klpt: haha, really? is it getting a replacement?
[19:57:53] iamlindoro__: Good reason for an upgrade-- this one's got dust on it
[19:57:58] iamlindoro__: yes, really
[19:58:03] wagnerrp: yes, with a different service
[19:58:07] wagnerrp: imdb does not want us
[19:58:11] iamlindoro__: And there will be a legit grabber this time
[19:58:18] iamlindoro__: for themoviedb
[19:58:25] klpt: can the mythtv load on imdb really be that large?
[19:58:37] iamlindoro__: Which has far far fewer titles, so myth users will have to actually give something abck for a change to get it where it needs to be
[19:58:47] wagnerrp: more the issue is that they paid for that content
[19:58:47] iamlindoro__: s/abck/back/
[19:58:49] kormoc: klpt, doesn't matter, their TOS say they don't want us, and we don't want to get sued incase they notice
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[19:59:00] wagnerrp: theyre not going to give it away for free to people who arent actually on the site to view the ads
[19:59:01] klpt: ah, probably a good reason
[19:59:10] klpt: adblockplus ftw
[19:59:19] klpt: guess that violates the TOS of every site on earth
[19:59:51] gbee: whilst I'd be happier if 0.22 was out by now, is 6 months a "really long time"?
[19:59:59] gbee: in terms of software releases?
[20:00:03] kormoc: klpt, kormoc.com doesn't care if you run adblock or not!
[20:00:34] kormoc: but oh, that kormoc.net, they really care!
[20:00:35] klpt: good to know
[20:02:10] klpt: i guess 8 months isn't insanely long for a software release, but it's getting there
[20:02:34] klpt: it *is*, however, rather long for a front page post drought
[20:02:46] gbee: well it was how many years between Windows XP and Vista?
[20:03:17] klpt: let's not start using microsoft as our model software company ;)
[20:03:31] iamlindoro__: That "our" must be the royal we
[20:04:00] kormoc: hrm
[20:04:02] klpt: not necessarily
[20:04:08] kormoc: I wonder why my h264 encode isn't cpu bound
[20:04:23] klpt: are you encoding very large raw files of entirely blank screens?
[20:04:31] kormoc: nope
[20:05:13] kormoc: just it's keeping ~ 25% of the cpu free
[20:05:26] wagnerrp: is it a quad core chip?
[20:05:27] klpt: encoder option to allow you to keep using your computer?
[20:05:33] kormoc: wagnerrp, nope, just dual
[20:05:38] kormoc: klpt, don't think so
[20:06:32] klpt: has it done that before?
[20:06:45] klpt: is the hard drive thrashing away?
[20:06:57] kormoc: First time I'm playing with h264, but mpeg4 wasn't doing that
[20:07:00] ** iamlindoro__ wonders if the TiVo users of TMS are all still without listings on the new channels we've had for a week **
[20:07:07] kormoc: klpt, nope, io is a steady 2 mbit/s off the dirve
[20:07:25] klpt: hmm
[20:07:27] wagnerrp: h264 is slow enough that even the most fragmented disk should be able to keep up
[20:07:43] klpt: yeah, as long as you're not encoding ginormous blank videos :p
[20:07:55] klpt: confound it!!
[20:08:02] kormoc: I wonder if it's my scheduler, it's niced to 15, perhaps the scheduler is just keeping a reserve
[20:08:12] klpt: renice it?
[20:09:00] kormoc: +5 leaves 15% idle
[20:09:08] kormoc: weird, didn't know that CFQ did that
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[20:12:30] kormoc: huh
[20:12:36] kormoc: the encode bricked the ipod
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[20:14:42] wagnerrp: you sure you used proper settings?
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[20:15:23] wagnerrp: i would imagine that the ipod only supports h264 that quicktime can produce
[20:15:41] wagnerrp: meaning no CABAC, no b-trees, no handful of other options
[20:15:44] klpt: hey, is there some reason why in the svn version of mythtv I can't get the X and Y offsets to work?
[20:15:45] iamlindoro__: you can make ipod compatible mp4 with ffmpeg, but it is pretty finicky
[20:15:53] kormoc: wagnerrp, I'm using http://rob.opendot.cl/index.php/useful-stuff/ipod-video-guide/
[20:16:06] iamlindoro__: klpt, SVN can be anything in SVN, you mean trunk
[20:16:12] wagnerrp: well one would hope the guide got such things right
[20:16:14] kormoc: I did get the mp4 working solidly, but janneg showed me that page
[20:16:21] klpt: yes, I do mean svn-trunk
[20:16:27] klpt: sorry
[20:16:29] klpt: and a particular version
[20:16:31] klpt: let me check
[20:16:31] kormoc: and I trust janneg to know what he's talking bout with video stuff :)
[20:16:43] dustybin: i think the new version of handbrake has mp4 ipod presets
[20:16:57] klpt: svn-trunk version 19158
[20:17:48] klpt: it seems to resize the width and height OK
[20:17:59] klpt: but it does not move the window when I set the X and Y offsets
[20:18:07] klpt: so on my television, mythfrontend is stuck in the upper left corner
[20:18:12] klpt: which is bad since the TV has a lot of overscan
[20:18:15] iamlindoro__: Have you tried the screen wizard instead?
[20:18:22] klpt: yeah, that's what I used to set the offsets
[20:19:03] klpt: it's incredible, by the way, that it took so long to copy that feature from XBMC
[20:19:29] iamlindoro__: Well, if you're running trunk I'm sure you're following -commits and -dev, so you know we're in the midst of heavy MythUI conversion and the frontend isa major construction zone right now
[20:19:49] iamlindoro__: There's also no harm in filing a bug
[20:19:52] gbee_: if it doesn't work then I'd guess no-one using trunk has a TV which overscans, or has good video drivers which allow overscan to be adjusted
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[20:21:05] klpt: the drivers are pretty good. they're the nvidia drivers, putting out 1080i. the problem is that when in that mode I can't adjust overscan settings
[20:21:22] klpt: and so I rely on mythfrontend to place itself in the right location
[20:21:33] klpt: i'll check the commits and see if a newer version has that fixed
[20:21:40] klpt: it's not the newest trunk
[20:21:44] janneg: gbee_: current trunk is painful with overscan but so are the setup screen since forever
[20:21:51] gbee_: you can adjust positioning and overscan with the ATi drivers ...
[20:22:01] gbee_: janneg: aye
[20:22:10] iamlindoro__: It's close enough, nobody has touched the screen wizard lately
[20:22:34] ** jamiem had a nightmare with overscan + linux + intel 965GM **
[20:23:01] klpt: the fact that I have a CRT TV that doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping sure doesn't help
[20:23:10] ** janneg has still to find why the lcd does overscan with the new nvidia card **
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[20:26:02] iamlindoro__: janneg, I have an updated patch for the parser + avformatdecoder that more or less solves most audio track selection issues with HD formats, but it makes the problem with anything with an MLP track causing a segfault as soon as the parser finds subtitles even worse. MLP plays fine in every sample I have, but as soon as it detects subtitles, it horks. I *think* the problem seems to be in decoderbase.cpp.
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[20:27:07] iamlindoro__: So on one hand it's nice that it's more or less choosing the right audio tracks now... but on the other hand everything with MLP plays for 30 seconds and then someone opens their mouth and it segfaults :) Kind of funny, actually.
[20:28:09] gbee_: does anyone have an Nvidia 8200 based board? I'd really like to get some figures for comparison to make sure it's not a configuration issue
[20:28:42] iamlindoro__: I can't be totally sure, but I believe the problem has something to do with the fact that MLP is forcibly downsampled by ffmpeg to 2 channels right now, and I think it hits the myth resample code and things break badlyu
[20:29:02] dustybin: gbee_: my macbook pro uses a 8600M GT
[20:29:19] iamlindoro__: Well great. When and if he asks if anyone has an 8600M GT, you pipe right up then
[20:29:45] dustybin: iamlindoro__: could still be used for figure
[20:29:46] dustybin: s
[20:30:04] gbee_: no, no ... no
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[20:31:01] gbee_: one's an IGP/Chipset the other is a discrete GPU, comparisons between the two won't be meaningful
[20:31:08] dustybin: aye ok
[20:31:32] iamlindoro__: actually, scratch my second-to-last statement.. seems that it segfaults when doing "reselecting track"... Think you mentioned that you suspected we might be trying to decode subtitle as audio, and that might be correct
[20:31:40] janneg: gbee_: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . os&num=1
[20:31:54] gbee_: besides which other people have already given 8000 series results, I need to do a like for like comparison to be sure that the hardware isn't just a steaming pile
[20:32:57] gbee_: janneg: thanks, looking through it now
[20:33:49] janneg: gbee_: page 7 and 8
[20:37:13] gbee_: hmm
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[20:38:14] ]Oscar: hi :)
[20:40:00] justinh: guaranteed to shut the channel up, that
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[20:41:44] kormoc: a untypable nick?
[20:42:33] aarcane: okay, so this is kinda odd.. my mythfrontend routinely uses 100% CPU when I use the QT renderer, but only peaks at around 12 when I use the opengl renderer..
[20:42:59] justinh: aarcane: using GANT?
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[20:43:09] aarcane: justinh, dun think so..
[20:43:27] justinh: oh wait it'd be the other way around with GNAT
[20:43:43] aarcane: it's the Blue theme.
[20:44:11] justinh: wow people still use that?
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[20:44:21] aarcane: justinh, I like it better.
[20:44:53] iamlindoro__: "Than being punched repeatedly in the face"
[20:45:32] aarcane: also, even in GL render, it still gets pretty bad in the videos list view.
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[20:46:02] justinh: wow sounds like you need to install good video card drivers :)
[20:46:05] aarcane: wiki says to try use events, but that it's bad for games and such. I'm setting up mythgame tomorrow.
[20:46:18] ]Oscar: I'd like to know the corrispondence between columns in channels.conf and tables in mysql/mythtv. Where I can find something about it?
[20:46:21] aarcane: justinh, I have the latest nvidia that supports my card.
[20:46:22] justinh: it can't be bad for mame games
[20:46:51] justinh: ]Oscar: there isn't one really. if the inbuilt scanner doesn't work.. erm.. hmmm
[20:46:54] aarcane: justinh, I'm running zsnes games.
[20:47:05] iamlindoro__: janneg, I just commented out the stream change callback in the MPEG PS parser, and it immediately solves my MLP segfaults. Obviously not a workable solution, but the segfault *does* come from the stream change code
[20:47:39] iamlindoro__: (and is not an MLP decode error)
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[20:48:14] ]Oscar: justinh: I think I found something like the #5609 bug (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5609) It say that solved (asworkaround) correcting manually data in sql.
[20:53:28] aarcane: so aside from UseEvents and renicing the X server, what options can resolve a high CPU usage ?
[20:54:31] janneg: iamlindoro__: it would be my preferable solution. using ffmpeg mpegts demuxer
[20:55:23] iamlindoro__: janneg, What would be the preferable solution?
[20:55:34] iamlindoro__: (and to be clear, the issue is in PS, not TS)
[20:55:48] iamlindoro__: TS doesn't seem to have the issue AFAICT
[20:56:57] gbee_: aarcane: card is a GF4 or similar?
[20:57:10] janneg: iamlindoro__: removing the stream change callback
[20:57:30] iamlindoro__: janneg, ah, okay... so.. is that safe? (and something you would consider applying?)
[20:58:37] aarcane: gbee_, fx5200
[20:58:50] janneg: iamlindoro__: no, but that's the main ffmpeg modification
[20:58:50] iamlindoro__: Am working on getting the TS Parsing changes committed upstream so I understand if you want to wait on that, btw
[20:59:28] janneg: so getting rid of it would make my life much easier
[20:59:46] iamlindoro__: understood
[21:00:17] janneg: iamlindoro__: I suspect that it won't go through in it current form
[21:00:38] iamlindoro__: janneg, Well, *slightly* different as posted to ffmpeg-dev. What's the problem with it?
[21:01:00] iamlindoro__: Just definces new streams and creates one new case
[21:01:02] iamlindoro__: er defines
[21:01:09] iamlindoro__: All are legitimate
[21:01:20] iamlindoro__: and all tested with real world examples (except for one)
[21:02:28] janneg: last time the mpeg ts maintainer opposed adding those non standard ids
[21:03:04] janneg: iamlindoro__: I still get an segfault in the mlp_parser with 300 sample
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[21:06:04] iamlindoro__: janneg, This is all that is currently applied here: http://rafb.net/p/THY9Ew39.html
[21:06:14] iamlindoro__: Prefers the MLP audio where it exists, and no segfault
[21:07:34] iamlindoro__: Am several minutes into 300 playing right now
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[21:34:04] jamiem: can I safely delete these .map files?
[21:34:19] gbee_: I must be missing something, ffplay is struggling with playback of BBC HD, doesn't appear it's even trying to use the second core
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[21:34:59] iamlindoro__: gbee_, have you ever had ffplay working properly for watchable playback? I've only ever found it useful for testing codec operation
[21:36:44] ** jamiem needs more cores **
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[21:37:30] gbee_: iamlindoro__: never tried h264 playback with ffplay on a machine that should be capable of it
[21:38:42] directhex: gbee_, did you TELL ffplay to use the second core?
[21:39:02] gbee_: doesn't matter I guess, one of the samples works in mythtv so I guess the first I tried is broken in some way
[21:39:22] gbee_: directhex: err, no ... seem that's what I'm missing, assumed it didn't need telling
[21:39:24] directhex: e.g. using -threads 2
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[21:39:25] janneg: gbee_: ffplay -threads 2 file
[21:39:48] gbee_: thanks
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[21:40:01] ** gbee feels like a newbie all over again **
[21:40:19] gbee: not having a good week
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[21:47:12] Dave123-road: hi all, anyone know the possible reasons why one might get an "internal server error" when trying to watch a recording on mythweb
[21:47:16] Dave123-road: ?
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[21:50:49] dustybin: gbee: you can pretend your me :P
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[21:55:29] ]Oscar: there is a join between the "channels" and the "dtv_multiplex" tables?
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[21:58:50] gbee: nasty, looks like ITV HD is single sliced
[21:58:54] sandeen_: does 780G video work w/ myth & hdtv?
[21:59:31] gbee: sandeen_: 680g does, so I don't see why the 780g chipset would be any different
[22:00:08] sandeen_: i'm only familiar w/ using nvidia & the closed drivers to make HD work w/ myth :)
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[22:00:52] gbee: s/680g/690g/
[22:01:48] gbee: sandeen_: you need the ATI closed drivers, but yes, I have an HDMI+audio frontend using a RS690 based board – Radeon x1250
[22:02:39] gbee: of course you still need the CPU grunt to decode h.264 HD
[22:03:03] sandeen_: ok, more closed drivers, bummerr
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[22:03:12] sandeen_: well right now I'm on a P4 2.4G or so
[22:03:18] sandeen_: power hog, and barely enough
[22:03:52] sandeen_: no xvmc with the amd/ati stuff?
[22:05:05] sandeen_: was eyeing the 45W 2.5G amd dual core, should be plenty I'd think.
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[22:09:49] dustybin: when one uses mytharchive and it lists a log, where abouts is that log stored?
[22:11:23] dustybin: i found it in the temp dir :)
[22:11:52] dustybin: my friend is having mytharchive problems and im helping him remotely :)
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[22:13:12] gbee: sandeen_: there is hardware decoding for ATI, but it's early days yet, no working examples and IIRC no h.264 support in the 790g – needs a more recent GPU
[22:13:56] gbee: sandeen_: my new system, built yesterday has a 2.5Ghz x2 45w ...
[22:14:01] sandeen_: :)
[22:14:22] sandeen_: keeps up ok?
[22:14:52] gbee: just running through some h.264 samples I recorded earlier ... BBC HD no trouble, ITV HD looks like it should play fine if I can figure out how to make ffplay behave
[22:14:57] sandeen_: trying to decide between a mobo w/ built in nvidia & hdmi or a 780g mobo
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[22:15:18] gbee: ITV HD doesn't play in myth yet, but that should be fixable
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[22:16:13] sandeen_: how do you hook up itv?
[22:16:21] sandeen_: is there some myth plugin or ?
[22:16:30] ** sandeen_ should probably just google **
[22:16:50] gbee: sandeen_: well production frontend/backend is 690g and this new, development frontend/backend is Nvidia 8200 w/hdmi – so far I'm unimpressed with it but not for the video, opengl performance is terrible and that could be config/driver related ... too early to tell
[22:17:02] iamlindoro__: sandeen_, ITV = british Television channel
[22:17:07] sandeen_: ahhh
[22:17:13] sandeen_: thought itv.com
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[22:17:38] sandeen_: yeah, I am tired of fiddling with my barely-powered frontend/backend and wanted to just throw newer hardware at it :)
[22:19:06] ** sandeen_ will research more later. **
[22:24:48] jamiem: hmm 300MB avi vs. 521MB mpeg-2 ... makes you wonder if it's worth transcoding
[22:25:20] dustybin: my friends mytharchive log has stopped on:
[22:25:21] dustybin: 2008-11–27 22:12:21 Starting dvdauthor
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[22:26:26] dustybin: i have checked the size of the newly created dvd directory inside the work folder, but it remains at: 78k dvd
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[22:33:58] jamiem: shoutyhost
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[22:43:55] kkuno: is it possible to shutdown the pc after a recording?
[22:45:26] gizmobay: probably write a script to do it. Add it to your myth setup and then add it to the list of things to do after a recording
[22:45:59] gbee: kkuno: don't use it, so I've no idea how it works, but take a look at mythshutdown
[22:46:04] gbee: wiki should tell you more
[22:47:45] janneg: kkuno: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/5388/itvhd.diff
[22:51:08] ** gbee assumes that was aimed at him **
[22:53:00] dustybin: can mythtvfrontend run on a xbox 360 ?
[22:53:34] dustybin: (SD only)
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[23:06:22] kkuno: ok thx
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[23:27:21] kkuno: uhm
[23:27:39] kkuno: mythtv sets the wakeup alarm only on shutdown?
[23:28:53] kkuno: it would be good if the alarm is set when scheduling
[23:28:55] kkuno: not?
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[23:44:32] oys: say I want to record every show on a particular channel. Is there an easy way to check them off "en masse" or will I need to sit down and freshen up my sql?
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