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| [00:08:47] | fuxxy: | What I have in mind by having both digital and analog tuners, is the ability to record (and live tv!) a show using the best available input. I don't necessarily want to see guide data for both the digital and analog versions of the same channel side by side, but just that simple logic – record using the best tuner available. How would this be achieved using myth? |
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| [00:12:16] | directhex: | assuming a given show is considered as being identical on both tuners, just set a higher priority on the digital tuner |
| [00:13:05] | sphery: | fuxxy: and, to make that assumption true, just set the channel callsign to be identical for the analog and digital versions of the channel |
| [00:14:16] | fuxxy: | sphery, that's already been done, the analog and digital versons of identical channels share the same call sign and XMLTV ID. (I had to do it manually on the QAM channels) |
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| [00:16:09] | fuxxy: | Tuner priority is configured in the backend, mythtv-setup, correct? |
| [00:22:53] | iamlindoro__: | I see the S2API ticket has just become a troubleshooting thread. What part of bug tracking do people not understand? |
| [00:23:13] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, tuner priority is in mythtv-setup |
| [00:23:23] | jm|laptop: | who is iamlindoro__ |
| [00:23:48] | iamlindoro__: | you'll get better results with /whois ;) |
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| [00:24:10] | jm|laptop: | Canada, eh? |
| [00:24:26] | iamlindoro__: | Ummmm nope. |
| [00:24:32] | jm|laptop: | no. |
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| [00:29:13] | jm|laptop: | [27470.592577] mt2060 I2C read failed |
| [00:29:15] | jm|laptop: | awww MAN |
| [00:29:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: agreed about the troubleshooting, but disagree about the "has just become" part :) |
| [00:30:16] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, heh |
| [00:30:52] | sphery: | fuxxy: see http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 for input priority stuff, and really, read all of section 12 (though your best results will come from using Delete all capture cards and then ordering inputs in the order of preference – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) |
| [00:34:09] | iamlindoro__: | best results come from removing LiveTV from your repertoire |
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| [00:45:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I stand corrected |
| [00:45:47] | gering: | sphery? You there? |
| [00:45:51] | sphery: | yep |
| [00:45:52] | sphery: | any luck |
| [00:45:56] | gering: | YES!! |
| [00:45:59] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:46:05] | sphery: | just recompiling with ALSA support? |
| [00:46:14] | gering: | A couple of things... that was one. |
| [00:46:33] | gering: | The other was that I had to set the mixer control to 'Analog Front' |
| [00:47:02] | gering: | And I used ALSA:default for the output and mixer devices. |
| [00:47:53] | gering: | Seems obvious in retrospect, but I had to learn much more than I want about alsa. Sheesh! |
| [00:48:58] | sphery: | You mean you chaned the MythTV setting, "Mixer Controls," to "Analog Front" by typing the value into the combo box (rather than selecting either of the existing values, "PCM" or "Master")? |
| [00:49:05] | sphery: | s/chaned/changed/ |
| [00:49:15] | gering: | YES. One key thing: amixer scontrols gave me the names of all the controls. |
| [00:49:30] | gering: | And the 'Analog Front' was the value I needed. |
| [00:49:54] | gering: | Who knew?? |
| [00:50:14] | sphery: | I'd be /very/ interested in seeing a pastebin of your frontend log when playing back a recording. |
| [00:50:53] | gering: | Let me see if I can get something from the machine for you... |
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| [00:57:39] | sphery: | gering: How did you edit the "Mixer Controls" setting? Did you have to use the pop-up keyboard to type in "Analog Front"? (Because http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4428 is still open and seems to indicate you can't do what you did.) |
| [00:58:27] | sphery: | It would be nice to get confirmation that the bug doesn't exist so it could be fixed |
| [00:58:34] | sphery: | (or, really, closed) |
| [00:59:32] | gering: | I used the popup keyboard and used the space box to get the space between Analog and Front. |
| [00:59:52] | gering: | You can verify this easily. |
| [01:00:12] | gering: | I have a log file — it's short, how do you want it? |
| [01:00:41] | sphery: | pastebin.ca |
| [01:01:09] | sphery: | So, sounds like you had to use the workaround on that ticket. |
| [01:01:57] | gering: | http://pastebin.ca/1265471 |
| [01:02:08] | gering: | What workaround? |
| [01:02:39] | sphery: | I was mainly surprised because Myth has really only supported Mixer Controls PCM or Master, but I looked at the code, and it seems what you're doing will work with one exception--it won't set the starting volume, so if something else (such as mplayer/xine/xmms/...) changes the volume, your Myth playback uses the existing volume rather than resetting the volume to the last-used-in-Myth volume. |
| [01:02:41] | gering: | The interesting thing in the log is that it looks for, and can't find, Master and PCM. |
| [01:02:54] | Supaplex: | where can I find system requirements? I'm looking through the wiki, and I'm trying to find out if 256mb is plenty for 2 tuners (playback is on the ps3) |
| [01:03:05] | sphery: | the workaround of using the pop-up keyboard to type the space (since it won't accept the space from the normal keyboard, it seems) |
| [01:03:18] | gering: | But I hit vol+ and vol- many times and no error. |
| [01:03:50] | gering: | When I had misconfigured that parm, vol+ and vol- would generate a new error each time. |
| [01:03:57] | sphery: | right, everything should work except setting the initial volume (Myth won't even try that), so you get whatever volume the sound card is at when you start playing TV and have to adjust from there |
| [01:04:16] | gering: | Yes, I remember that annoyance from before. |
| [01:04:53] | gering: | sphery, many many thanks for getting me on the right path. |
| [01:05:18] | sphery: | Supaplex: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html , although really, I doubt you can get MythTV running on PS3 (especially mythbackend). Most people just use the PS3's UPnP to play back recordings. |
| [01:05:58] | Supaplex: | sphery: I have a thin client for 2 tuners on x86, ps3 will only do playback |
| [01:06:20] | Supaplex: | my 512mb sodimm only sees 256mb of it :-/ |
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| [01:06:30] | sphery: | Supaplex: If you mean you have an old PC with 256MB and want to run it as a dedicated mythbackend system, that should work, though you'll /need/ page files for swapping when commflagging/transcoding--especially if you're doing HDTV. |
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| [01:06:48] | Supaplex: | okay. I have a 6gb microdrive in it |
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| [01:07:14] | Supaplex: | and an external usb for video storage |
| [01:07:26] | sphery: | Supaplex: of course, I'm assuming you're using either a hardware-encoder card for SDTV or a DVB-type card (DVB or ATSC) for HDTV. You really don't want to try a frame grabber with that system. |
| [01:07:59] | sphery: | Probably don't want to try an HD-PVR, either (even though it's hardware-encoded) because of the requirements for transcoding/commflagging |
| [01:08:03] | Supaplex: | it's 2x plextor with dedicated divx encoding on the device :) |
| [01:08:31] | sphery: | well, I've heard very bad things about those ConvertX's, but it should work |
| [01:08:35] | Supaplex: | live tv isn't that important |
| [01:08:50] | sphery: | at least you're using Myth right, then |
| [01:09:39] | CoreDump: | what's so bad about live-tv? |
| [01:09:52] | wagnerrp: | livetv is not comm-flagged |
| [01:09:53] | sphery: | it's Waste-Your-Life-TV :) |
| [01:10:09] | Supaplex: | exactly :) |
| [01:10:16] | sphery: | I have a schedule of my own that's not set in some broadcast corporation's boardroom |
| [01:11:25] | wagnerrp: | oof... seems i had some quiet data loss last year when my raid was complaining |
| [01:11:34] | CoreDump: | I can understand your logic, but I actually do kinda like live-tv for "background noise" while doing other things |
| [01:11:55] | wagnerrp: | i found a couple bad avis (old ripped movies) |
| [01:12:04] | Supaplex: | you have more time than I then, CoreDump :) |
| [01:12:04] | sphery: | CoreDump: in my world, that's what music is for (I use Internet radio) |
| [01:12:57] | CoreDump: | Supaplex: I'm on paid leave till January so that is indeed possible =) |
| [01:13:20] | Supaplex: | yes you suck |
| [01:13:25] | CoreDump: | sphery: to each his own I guess |
| [01:13:41] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:13:56] | CoreDump: | ever met a non-sucking coredump? ;) |
| [01:14:06] | sphery: | I guess as long as you're not scheduling your viewing around LiveTV, it's not so evil. |
| [01:14:29] | iamlindoro__: | If you're a neilsen viewer who watches my shows, please feel free to watch them as scheduled |
| [01:14:30] | sphery: | (and not just watching whatever's currently airing when you do actually view TV) |
| [01:14:36] | sphery: | agreed |
| [01:14:43] | sphery: | I'll post a list of shows I'd like you to watch |
| [01:14:44] | CoreDump: | nah, I use Myth to record the "important" stuff |
| [01:15:08] | Supaplex: | CoreDump: well, when the stacktrace is intact, and I find something in our bugdatabse, it sucks less. usually an easy support case to close. =) |
| [01:15:39] | CoreDump: | =) |
| [01:16:21] | wagnerrp: | theyre starting up another survivor??? |
| [01:16:38] | wagnerrp: | why must they cancel good shows, and continue producing mindless drivel... |
| [01:20:26] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [01:20:35] | d00gster: | is there a homeautomation plugin for mythtv in the works? like one to incorporate MisterHouse? I googled but didn't find anything |
| [01:20:42] | kormoc: | I want to be a millionair so I can buy the stargate franchise and keep it going |
| [01:21:02] | sphery: | Good question... I'm still mourning Pushing Daisies... I really hope Ned touches it--don't even care that it would mean some other ABC show would die in its place. |
| [01:21:03] | kormoc: | d00gster, best you're likely to do is lookup pluto@home |
| [01:21:25] | d00gster: | seen that and lmce also ... |
| [01:21:40] | d00gster: | no source and tweaking is limited |
| [01:21:42] | wagnerrp: | pluto is a home automation system, with an old version of myth incorporated |
| [01:21:47] | CoreDump: | reviving SG1 would be nice. But it never was the same after RDA left |
| [01:21:57] | wagnerrp: | linuxmce is a free version of the pluto system |
| [01:22:14] | wagnerrp: | or something like that, its some version of the pluto system |
| [01:22:17] | iamlindoro__: | When SciFi realizes they have no shows left, I'm hoping they pick up the proposed Farscape Spinoff |
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| [01:22:51] | d00gster: | wagnerrp, I like mythtv as a main interface and a homeautmoation plugin rather than lmce |
| [01:23:11] | d00gster: | not sure if someone is working on one |
| [01:23:33] | wagnerrp: | not that i am aware of |
| [01:23:48] | CoreDump: | what do you guys think of "Sanctuary"? |
| [01:24:28] | wagnerrp: | interesting so far |
| [01:24:50] | sphery: | yeah, Pluto is the commercial version, plutohome.org was the FOSS version of Pluto that only worked with /very/ limited hardware, Linux MCE is plutohome.org modified to work with other hardware (and the reason plutohome.org is no longer out there). |
| [01:24:55] | wagnerrp: | the web-only show got great reviews last year, which is why it got picked up as a full series |
| [01:25:06] | CoreDump: | I thought it would be worse when I heard it's 99% CG |
| [01:25:28] | wagnerrp: | CoreDump: its completely green screened |
| [01:25:37] | CoreDump: | surprisingly watchable so far indeed |
| [01:25:41] | wagnerrp: | but it looks realistic enough that it doesnt bother you |
| [01:26:29] | CoreDump: | but many times there is the "Hmm that table is real, the rest of the room is CG" moment |
| [01:27:15] | wagnerrp: | i havent paid close enough attention to notice |
| [01:27:30] | wagnerrp: | i find its more enjoyable that way |
| [01:27:48] | CoreDump: | =) |
| [01:43:17] | Supaplex: | locate "my bluetooth adapter" | wc -l = 0 :( |
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| [01:45:02] | seth_hikaru: | hello |
| [01:45:17] | seth_hikaru: | is mythtv comprised of a computer |
| [01:45:37] | ** kormoc blink ** | |
| [01:45:41] | kormoc: | say what? |
| [01:45:44] | Supaplex: | not of sand? |
| [01:45:55] | iamlindoro__: | It's comprised of a sack of tuna |
| [01:46:04] | kormoc: | Well, Silicon is primarily made from sand these days... |
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| [01:46:45] | Supaplex: | true. but iamlindoro__ has my vote now. |
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| [01:47:32] | seth_hikaru: | so are we done be smartasses and ready to tell me the real answer |
| [01:47:49] | iamlindoro__: | dub ass questions breed smart ass answers, that's how we roll |
| [01:47:53] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, your question makes no sense at all. What are you actually asking? |
| [01:47:53] | Supaplex: | well, did you ask a question? |
| [01:48:10] | seth_hikaru: | well i guess i could have clarified myself |
| [01:48:43] | seth_hikaru: | is mythtv run on a computer or something like an fpga box or a server |
| [01:48:59] | sphery: | A MythTV system is built from one or more computer systems running GNU/Linux, such that computers that run the mythbackend program record TV and computers that run the mythfrontend program play back recordings. |
| [01:49:09] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, well, a server is a computer, but in short, myth is just some software that runs on linux |
| [01:49:20] | seth_hikaru: | figured that |
| [01:49:25] | jedi__: | MythTV is basically just desktop computer software. |
| [01:49:44] | seth_hikaru: | well how can you have multiple capture cards |
| [01:49:48] | seth_hikaru: | and um |
| [01:49:50] | seth_hikaru: | hold on |
| [01:49:53] | sphery: | multiple PCI slots |
| [01:49:54] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, by putting more then one in the computer? |
| [01:50:10] | seth_hikaru: | hmm |
| [01:50:16] | sphery: | or by using multiple backend systems |
| [01:50:22] | Supaplex: | or even one per computer, depending on how you want to do it. |
| [01:50:26] | jedi__: | or by using a tuner that sits on the network |
| [01:50:27] | seth_hikaru: | umm |
| [01:50:27] | sphery: | (and, yes, there are a few PCIe cards supported, now, too) |
| [01:50:35] | sphery: | or using Firewire |
| [01:50:37] | kormoc: | or using a single card with multiple tuners on it |
| [01:50:39] | seth_hikaru: | could i broadcasat out through my cable network |
| [01:50:45] | kormoc: | erm |
| [01:50:46] | seth_hikaru: | like as in the way i get tv |
| [01:50:50] | seth_hikaru: | through cable |
| [01:50:51] | kormoc: | myth is a PVR, it's a recorder |
| [01:50:54] | hads: | heh |
| [01:51:10] | kormoc: | so no, you can't hack your neighbor's cable signals with myth |
| [01:51:12] | jedi__: | MythTV is a snooty homebrew Tivo |
| [01:51:20] | sphery: | You'd have to have all the equipment to convert the video card output of MythTV to something that can be sent along cable wires |
| [01:51:30] | seth_hikaru: | i wasnt trying to do that but lets start a community to do that |
| [01:51:39] | seth_hikaru: | or your cable company signals for that matter |
| [01:51:44] | kormoc: | jedi__, and you're free to leave the channel if you find us snooty... |
| [01:52:02] | ** sphery prefers TiVo on steroids ** | |
| [01:52:08] | Supaplex: | you'd have to find hardware linux supports before a community is even an option |
| [01:52:10] | jedi__: | some people even revel in their snootiness |
| [01:52:20] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, you can feel free to start your own community to do that, but it's not really the topic for this channel... |
| [01:52:57] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds like a "Hey! I've got a great project someone should write for me!" to me |
| [01:53:24] | sphery: | I had one of those. The someone ended up being me, and stupid me hasn't finished it, yet. |
| [01:53:38] | jedi__: | ...an interesting idea... Myth by itself still makes more sense. |
| [01:54:20] | jedi__: | Once you've captured something in your house, it's VOD after that. Why mess with that kind of nirvana. |
| [01:54:35] | sphery: | seth_hikaru: if you're thinking of trying to make a cable-like video-on-demand system for a group of users, MythTV frontend/backend communications is all based on TCP/IP networking, so... |
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| [01:55:15] | sphery: | and just make sure you have all the rights/licenses required to do this if you had any kind of "for money" idea in there |
| [01:56:00] | iamlindoro__: | He can team up with the "put my own commercials in it" guy |
| [01:56:37] | sphery: | I thought that was the "ask someone else to figure out how I can put my own commercials in it" guy |
| [01:57:04] | iamlindoro__: | Or possibly his cousin, Mr. "How I can write plugin for Myth?" |
| [01:57:12] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:57:30] | Supaplex: | upgrade the pfm. (pure freaking magic) |
| [01:57:45] | jedi__: | ...actually, once you've got the recordings and the cutlists... mangling in your own commercials should be pretty simple/straightforward. |
| [01:57:58] | sphery: | I almost feel bad because I know much of the problem is a language barrier, but it's still way too much of a question to answer. (I've been very impressed by Nigel's answering some of them, though.) |
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| [01:59:16] | sphery: | jedi__: keeping it free and open source and then finding a way to make users actually watch your commercials is a whole different matter, though |
| [01:59:20] | Supaplex: | it's an easy trap to fall into when they're EVAGUE |
| [02:00:52] | iamlindoro__: | yes, it smacks of "I plan to use myth to sell someone else's stuff" |
| [02:03:16] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I'm tempted to reply to this with "And I'd like a pony." As there is no question within. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /239585.html |
| [02:03:45] | sphery: | I knew exactly which post you were talking about when you said that. |
| [02:04:05] | sphery: | I'm guessing if I were to read the previous posts on the thread, I could figure it out, but didn't care to spend the time. |
| [02:04:30] | iamlindoro__: | *Were* there previous? |
| [02:05:10] | iamlindoro__: | Don't think so |
| [02:05:27] | sphery: | Hmmm... It came across in my mail client as, "Re: [mythtv-users] OSX, Mac Mini & AC3 passthru" |
| [02:05:50] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, it's quoted from digest, there is an earlier |
| [02:06:07] | iamlindoro__: | It's more or less "Bump!" |
| [02:06:56] | sphery: | but without even including that which is being bumped :) |
| [02:07:07] | sphery: | guess the subject says it all in his mind |
| [02:07:27] | iamlindoro__: | guess so |
| [02:08:06] | kormoc: | Mm.. Pony Burgers... |
| [02:08:12] | sphery: | wonder if his name is really his name (as it's a homophone of a famous person's name) |
| [02:09:06] | kormoc: | you know, I really hate the folks on the mailing lists that use names like 'f-myth-user' or 'mythtv man' or the like, ugh, bugs me ever so |
| [02:09:40] | sphery: | yeah, if you're unwilling to ascribe your own identity to your posts, perhaps you should just shut up |
| [02:10:09] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, There's one on AVS Forum going by "MythMaster" |
| [02:10:26] | kormoc: | Especially when it's From: Mythtv Man <johnsmith@gmail.com > so bloody stupid |
| [02:10:34] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, nice, we should bring him here |
| [02:10:45] | kormoc: | he can provide all the user support if he's the master |
| [02:10:48] | kormoc: | heh |
| [02:11:02] | kormoc: | I also love it when someone argues with me bout mythweb, that's ever so amusing |
| [02:11:19] | sphery: | and he could tell us wonderful stories of the colonization of Jamestown |
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| [02:12:09] | sphery: | yeah, I love it when I witness someone arguing with the author of some code about how that code is designed to work |
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| [02:13:50] | sphery: | Speaking of authoring code in MythWeb... I'm only down to this as everything else in MythWeb is so top notch, but I was wondering if you could think of a good-UI way of allowing me to go into MythWeb at 8:20pm and tell it to "bump" the schedule back to 8:00pm (instead of the 8:30) it starts at. Since the drop down is triggered by on-change, I haven't found a way to do it without going to some other time, then to 8:00pm. |
| [02:14:32] | sphery: | I don't really like the idea of adding a "Go" button (which would otherwise be useless). |
| [02:22:07] | fuxxy: | I can specify the starting channel on each of my hdhomerun tuners, but I can't specify a starting channel on my pvr150 card? Even though the pvr150 is listed first in Input Connections, the hdhomerun is the one that comes up first in LiveTV |
| [02:24:41] | ** jedi__ is pretty sure the UI will let you set an initial channel for the PVR-150. ** | |
| [02:24:49] | fuxxy: | Nevermind on not being able to specify starting channel on the pvr150, I found the location for that setting. Still wondering why the hdhomerun comes up first even though it's tuners are last on the list. I wonder if it has something to do with the hdhomerun's tuners being priority 1, and the pvr150 priority is 0 |
| [02:24:52] | jedi__: | "special cases" tend to be more work. |
| [02:25:56] | jedi__: | ...does anyone know what might cause my inbound network traffic to spike by 100x? |
| [02:26:16] | jedi__: | ...mulling over some weird sar data. |
| [02:26:22] | fuxxy: | jedi__, torrents? |
| [02:26:59] | jedi__: | It's a spike for a single reporting interval. Then goes back down again. |
| [02:27:15] | jedi__: | lots of packets, not a lot of bulk/bytes. |
| [02:27:18] | kormoc: | fuxxy, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Bittorrent |
| [02:31:39] | fuxxy: | I've got 3 extra tuners that don't exist in mythfrontend's "system status" – I remember adding them when I ran mythtv-setup and noticed there were no tuners listed, but I can't remember what exactly happened before that situation arised. |
| [02:31:48] | iamlindoro__: | God help us, they're putting out alphas of the next ubuntu already |
| [02:32:14] | jedi__: | someone over there is a glutton for punishment... |
| [02:32:16] | iamlindoro__: | Gotta get used to people coming in talking about how they're running "Jaunty" like that makes sense, sigh |
| [02:33:30] | kormoc: | Jaunty Jaguar? |
| [02:34:08] | iamlindoro__: | worse, Jackalope |
| [02:34:36] | jedi__: | Jackalope? really? |
| [02:34:41] | iamlindoro__: | Yep |
| [02:34:48] | jedi__: | Aye Caramba... |
| [02:34:53] | iamlindoro__: | Guess real life animals weren't enough for them |
| [02:34:56] | fuxxy: | hmm. That's strange. |
| [02:35:51] | sphery: | fuxxy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (solution: Delete all capture cards) |
| [02:35:58] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro__, when I changed the effecive hostname using the unique identifier in the frontend, the backend "mythtv-setup" showed a different configuration. That's how the tuners dissapeared. |
| [02:36:54] | sphery: | fuxxy: any time you change the hostname, you have to edit the database either using http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 or (better) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . d_or_backend |
| [02:37:01] | sphery: | including the unique identifier change |
| [02:37:10] | jedi__: | did you make that mess with the application UI are directly through SQL? |
| [02:37:23] | sphery: | now that you've reconfigured the capture cards, though, the change hostname thing won't work |
| [02:37:27] | fuxxy: | jedi__, witht he apication UI. I don't know a lick of mysql. |
| [02:37:32] | sphery: | so, you're back to Delete all capture cards |
| [02:38:23] | fuxxy: | sphery, it should be pretty simple, put the hostname back to what I changed it to the first time, delete the capture cards that exist under that hostname, then change the frontend hostname *back* to what it was when I FIRST! configured. |
| [02:38:33] | sphery: | fuxxy: yeah, changing that unique identifier setting after configuring myth does not change any already-configured settings--it's equivalent to just putting a new host on the Myth system |
| [02:38:56] | fuxxy: | sphery, and since the host I changed has a backend, it thought there was another backend, too. |
| [02:39:10] | sphery: | you could do that, but I'd go with the delete all capture cards approach (as it cleans up some other stuff, too) |
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| [02:39:35] | fuxxy: | sphery, then I have to scan for channels, and change the XMLTV ID's again, correct? |
| [02:39:44] | ajhtwolf: | Hey i am setup with a remote backend now, and for some reason my guide is one hour ahead of what is actualy being shown. Whenever i look at a channel it says that the program that was played one hour ago is currently on. I think the problem is that originally the backend had the wrong time settings, however after fixing that and re-retrieving the channel lineup the same problem is there |
| [02:40:06] | sphery: | scan yes, assuming you haven't change the callsigns from what was detected by the scan, xmltvid's, no: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . channel_scan |
| [02:40:16] | sphery: | ^^^ ignore all that |
| [02:40:27] | fuxxy: | ajhtwolf, mabye the frontend's got the wrong time configured? |
| [02:40:29] | sphery: | for Delete all capture cards, you do /not/ have to scan again |
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| [02:40:34] | sphery: | for Delete all video sources, you do |
| [02:40:39] | ajhtwolf: | fuxxy, nahh front end has correct time too |
| [02:40:57] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: wrong time zone |
| [02:41:44] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, both of them are setup on the right time zone america/phoenix |
| [02:41:48] | sphery: | if you're saying you just configured the proper time zone on both systems (but that it differs from what was on the backend just a bit ago), it just means you have garbage in your listings |
| [02:42:00] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, I just checked on the current machine and on the other machine with ssh |
| [02:42:06] | sphery: | so you need to go into mysql and issue the command: TRUNCATE TABLE program; |
| [02:42:10] | sphery: | then run mythfilldatabase |
| [02:42:51] | sphery: | also if you just changed it, you might want to reboot first, as some processes will likely still be running with the wrong zone id |
| [02:42:53] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, alright il try that |
| [02:43:02] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, tried rebooting both of them |
| [02:43:15] | sphery: | cool, then clear the listings and run mfdb |
| [02:44:01] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, it says no databse selected, how do i select the proper one? |
| [02:44:21] | sphery: | use mythconverg; |
| [02:44:47] | sphery: | or, next time, enter mysql with: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg |
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| [02:46:26] | ajhtwolf: | k just waiting for it to finnish filling |
| [02:47:10] | ajhtwolf: | btw I am using datadirect, XMLTV or whatever it is called |
| [02:47:33] | sphery: | that's good, it's fastest :) |
| [02:47:34] | kormoc: | Schedules Direct? |
| [02:47:42] | ajhtwolf: | Yeah |
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| [02:52:19] | ajhtwolf: | Yay I think its working now |
| [02:52:39] | ajhtwolf: | thanks sphery |
| [02:53:11] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, do you use lirc? |
| [03:00:07] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: yep, but I don't know it well--it's been over 4 years since I set it up/figured out how to make it work |
| [03:04:32] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, gotcha, ive had this problem that ive been trying to figure out since i got mythtv, for soem reason using my remote in myth makes it freeze up for a second everytime a button is pressed and its delayed |
| [03:04:47] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, doesnt do it in ANY other program though. its bizarre |
| [03:07:01] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: are you using an NVIDIA video card |
| [03:07:18] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, yeah |
| [03:07:20] | sphery: | if so, do you have UseEvents enabled? (You should) |
| [03:07:36] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, i think that i did put that in there, one sec |
| [03:08:03] | ajhtwolf: | yeah under section "device" I put Option "UseEvents" "on" |
| [03:08:22] | sphery: | are you using packages? |
| [03:08:45] | ajhtwolf: | the non-opensource nvidia drivers? |
| [03:08:58] | sphery: | of Myth... Sorry. changing ideas here. |
| [03:09:06] | seth_hikaru: | wow you guys a bunch of pricks i have to do something and rearrange my room and your like 1 hour ahead of what i had questions about and now if i were to ask them you would just brushed them off because that was over an hour ago |
| [03:09:07] | ajhtwolf: | Oh yeah, I used mythbuntu |
| [03:09:09] | seth_hikaru: | thanks a lot |
| [03:09:27] | ajhtwolf: | seth_hikaru, dude its not like anyone here is payed |
| [03:09:40] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, Have a wonderful rest of the day! |
| [03:09:53] | sphery: | seth_hikaru: we were talking about someone else with the whole making money thing... |
| [03:10:05] | seth_hikaru: | ya screw money making |
| [03:10:08] | seth_hikaru: | open source only |
| [03:10:18] | seth_hikaru: | no commercials either |
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| [03:11:05] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, what is strange is that it would only happen in mythtv |
| [03:11:07] | seth_hikaru: | im never going to pay anybody to make money when i would know i would never make a dang off of it |
| [03:11:10] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: what do you get with: which gnome-screensaver-command |
| [03:11:21] | sphery: | and what is the PATH for the user who runs myth? |
| [03:11:37] | seth_hikaru: | is myth software only |
| [03:11:47] | seth_hikaru: | or is it a distro of linux |
| [03:11:48] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, yes, myth is just software |
| [03:11:49] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command |
| [03:11:54] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, no, it's not a distro |
| [03:12:26] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, and /home/wolf/ is what i am running it as |
| [03:12:31] | seth_hikaru: | well you didnt need to give 2 responses to my question one would have been fine and i could have figured out the other |
| [03:12:39] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: right, but the PATH environment variable? |
| [03:12:51] | seth_hikaru: | do i have to compile it |
| [03:12:51] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, not sure how to find that or what you mean, sorry |
| [03:12:59] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, you could have asked a single question if you honestly cared that I answered both of them |
| [03:13:01] | sphery: | seth_hikaru: he didn't need to give /any/ response to your question, but he's a nice guy |
| [03:13:12] | kormoc: | I think this is the first time I've been yelled at for answering questions |
| [03:13:24] | sphery: | yeah, why are you wasting your time? |
| [03:13:57] | kormoc: | that I'm not sure about, given I do have some mythweb ipod polishing I really wanted to get done tonight |
| [03:14:17] | seth_hikaru: | no im not really yelling at you its just im sorry i was f**king pissed off by my mom and i should probably just put myself to away and minize the window and come back tomorrow |
| [03:14:28] | seth_hikaru: | so im sorry |
| [03:14:36] | seth_hikaru: | i dont really mean to be a dick |
| [03:14:39] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: as the user running mythfrontend (I hope this is enough and the *buntu doesn't have a hack) in a terminal in X when running mythfrontend (just to cover as many of the possibilities as possible): echo $PATH |
| [03:15:14] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| [03:15:55] | seth_hikaru: | so do i have to compile mythtv |
| [03:16:10] | seth_hikaru: | in linux |
| [03:16:12] | ajhtwolf: | seth_hikaru, that would depend on what distro you are using |
| [03:16:31] | ajhtwolf: | fedora and ubuntu have mythbuntu and fedoramyth or whatever |
| [03:16:33] | seth_hikaru: | which distro's does it work on |
| [03:16:41] | seth_hikaru: | i know red hat for one |
| [03:16:46] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: can you try: sudo ln -s /bin/true /usr/local/bin/gnome-screensaver-command |
| [03:17:29] | ajhtwolf: | k did it. why did i want to link that there though? :p |
| [03:17:34] | sphery: | seth_hikaru: there are packages available for Ubuntu and Fedora, CentOS, and RHEL |
| [03:17:56] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: now see if the remote causes a pause |
| [03:18:05] | seth_hikaru: | hmm which of those has the smallest isos and doesnt run like crap on microsoft virtual pc |
| [03:18:12] | seth_hikaru: | my processor is only 866 mhz |
| [03:18:31] | sphery: | that will be hard pressed to do any playback--especially in a VM |
| [03:18:40] | seth_hikaru: | umm |
| [03:18:49] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, ... waht in gods name... are you a wizard or something, DUDE IT WORKED! |
| [03:19:05] | sphery: | disk size will be about the same anywhere (for me it's just about 150MB including 75MB of themes) |
| [03:19:11] | seth_hikaru: | could you say the beginning half of that sentence in something i can understand sphery |
| [03:19:12] | ajhtwolf: | jes** fu**** ch*** sphery how did you know about that? |
| [03:19:26] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, I'd recommend you give up. First, VPC is very unlikely to share the capture card with the VM at all, so you likely won't be able to capture the video, playback will be seriously lacking (my 8 core 2 ghz xeon doesn't handle VPC very well when dealing with video playback) |
| [03:19:41] | kormoc: | and 866 mhz is slow if it was a dedicated mythbox to boot |
| [03:19:54] | seth_hikaru: | well because xeon is MEANT FOR THAT |
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| [03:20:02] | seth_hikaru: | calculations only |
| [03:20:05] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, and you would know? |
| [03:20:08] | seth_hikaru: | yes |
| [03:20:20] | seth_hikaru: | im good at some things |
| [03:20:27] | kormoc: | well, I guess my playback under osx and windows natively is just a pipe dream |
| [03:20:39] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: there's a bug in Myth's 0.21-fixes version (that had been there for a year or so), that meant that we run gnome-screensaver-command on every LIRC button press. I just made it start running /bin/true, instead (since it takes virtually no time). |
| [03:20:45] | seth_hikaru: | i should port this to windows just to be stupid |
| [03:20:49] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, of course, I have to ask, what is video playback other then calculations? |
| [03:20:55] | seth_hikaru: | umm |
| [03:20:58] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, I could kiss you |
| [03:21:11] | seth_hikaru: | give me a second so i can think of how to explain |
| [03:21:13] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, where do you live? let me order you a pizza :-P |
| [03:21:39] | seth_hikaru: | actually i need like 5 minutes because what i said about zeon is wrong |
| [03:21:40] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: that does mean that if you have anything else using gnome-screensaver-command (i.e. to deactivate the screensaver), it may not work (won't unless it uses the full path), but the best bet is to just not run gnome-screensaver until 0.22 is out |
| [03:22:00] | seth_hikaru: | that dont do calculations |
| [03:22:21] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: I'm just glad your LIRC question wasn't really a LIRC question (because I almost definitely couldn't have fixed that :). And, as far as the kiss goes, I'd need to see a pic first. ;) |
| [03:23:39] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, haha, well il tell ya what man, i really appreciate it seriously. This is something that has annoyed the hell out of me sicne day one of myth. kudos to you man |
| [03:23:57] | seth_hikaru: | well xeons are good for things like servers that host web pages and things like that and also video converting |
| [03:24:15] | seth_hikaru: | so they do well with high level converting |
| [03:24:24] | seth_hikaru: | well if you use handbrake |
| [03:24:38] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, you do understand that a xeon and a core2 is the same thing other then some extra processor cache these days, right? |
| [03:24:50] | seth_hikaru: | well there not really |
| [03:24:51] | iamlindoro: | of course he doesn't. |
| [03:25:32] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: Thank the guy who reported the bug ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5893 ). I'm just the guy who wrote the patch (and only about 2 weeks ago), so I'm probably the best possible person for you to accidentally ask about that issue. |
| [03:25:34] | seth_hikaru: | core 2 line was good fr multimedia applications and gaming video things like that |
| [03:26:04] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, until you read the technical docs on intel's site and understand them, it's not really worth continuing on with this topic |
| [03:26:08] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: really, though, best bet is to not use gnome-screensaver on your frontend system until 0.22 is out. |
| [03:26:26] | seth_hikaru: | ive honestly never seen a xeon processor in my life so i would really know exactely what they do fully |
| [03:26:35] | seth_hikaru: | i have read on there website about it |
| [03:26:46] | seth_hikaru: | but that was about 8 months ago ro something |
| [03:27:01] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: since we've kind of messed up gnome-screensaver by hiding gnome-screensaver-command (and, therefore, you should /really/ make a note to delete that link, /usr/local/bin/gnome-screensaver-command , when you upgrade to 0.22) |
| [03:27:12] | kormoc: | the point is, if my system can't handle it, yours most certainly can not |
| [03:27:41] | seth_hikaru: | well i really have no idea why i am discussing this yet |
| [03:27:49] | iamlindoro: | Hell, you couldn't do much with Myth on an 866 Mhz processor *outside* of a VM |
| [03:28:13] | seth_hikaru: | i dont even have the kind of money at my disposal to even afford something to run myth on |
| [03:28:32] | ajhtwolf: | Gotcha, i worte it down in my googlde docs document i have for all things myth |
| [03:29:08] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, do you know of another good screen saver program that works with gnome? |
| [03:29:30] | sphery: | seth_hikaru: in truth, Myth is a rather expensive hobby... You can pay for it in terms of money (buy good/known working hardware) or slightly less money but a /lot/ more time |
| [03:30:07] | seth_hikaru: | i need to shut the hell up get some money buy something for myth to run on and then come back here to talk about how to use it |
| [03:30:13] | kormoc: | I'm even so far as pondering three boxes, 1 backend, 1 frontend, and 1 for mythweb |
| [03:30:26] | seth_hikaru: | how about 30 boxes |
| [03:30:29] | seth_hikaru: | hehehe |
| [03:30:44] | seth_hikaru: | 50 stolen paypal accounts can make that happen for me hehe |
| [03:30:48] | seth_hikaru: | lolk im just kidding |
| [03:30:49] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: xscreensaver works, but if you are using gnome screensaver, you can keep trying to use it. Just remember the change we made today so if things that were working (like clicking an icon to start the screensaver or running some script you wrote to start the screensaver) quit working, you can either go in and fix the link/icon/script/... or switch screensavers |
| [03:31:03] | iamlindoro: | I'd say I easily have 30k in Myth hardware alone, not to mention time sunk into it |
| [03:31:17] | seth_hikaru: | what are you like 40 years old |
| [03:31:21] | kormoc: | I'm still under 10k by a fairly large margin |
| [03:31:26] | seth_hikaru: | what do you do for a living |
| [03:31:34] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, gotcha, hey mind if i ask you one more myth question? |
| [03:31:59] | sphery: | yeah, I spent a /lot/ of money ot get known working/good hardware (though some of my HDD's purchases have recently come into question :), and have still spent a whole lot of time on Myth. |
| [03:32:01] | seth_hikaru: | ihave to buy my computer and my djing stuff which will aproch around 7 to 8k when i get it all |
| [03:32:03] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: sure |
| [03:32:04] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: In fairness I'm including the projector and assorted other Home Theatre Equipment |
| [03:32:35] | kormoc: | slick |
| [03:32:45] | kormoc: | I only paid $450 for my tv, so even including that... :P |
| [03:32:47] | seth_hikaru: | anyone have an get rich very quickly things that doesnt envolve a lot of work to get rich |
| [03:32:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: do you have the $10K/chair stadium-seating theater chairs? |
| [03:33:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Oooooh, those would be nice. But where the Theatre is also the Living room, impractical |
| [03:33:23] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, i have kinda wavy video, like on the buttoms of the screen you can really notice it, and the text is really wavy too |
| [03:33:23] | kormoc: | heh |
| [03:33:48] | kormoc: | When the cinerama was getting rid of their chairs, I was tempted to try and snag some, but they went the cheap way and just reconditioned them |
| [03:33:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery: when I trade the condo up for a proper house some day, I'd probably buy a few of the refurb movie theatre chairs |
| [03:34:04] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Exactly! |
| [03:34:06] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: can you post a pic (i.e. with a camera if it doesn't show on a screen shot)? |
| [03:35:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I know a guy who bought some (for about $10K/chair)--and he didn't even run Myth. I'm pretty sure he didn't even have Windows MCE. Think it was just one of those "custom home theater solutions for people with more dollars than sense" |
| [03:36:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Probably not unlike the mondo-expensive myth-based thing mentioned the other day |
| [03:36:28] | seth_hikaru: | but in the mean time i need to learn how to script in povray, learn assembly, python, C, C++ again, java, coldfusion, mysql, more html, linux, networking, and electronics before i even begin to know how to do these kind of things |
| [03:36:30] | sphery: | (may have actually been 6 or 8 chairs for $40-$50K, but I just remember it being extremely expensive) |
| [03:36:47] | seth_hikaru: | so that could be awhile |
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| [03:37:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Ooof. I kinda just enjoy a comfy couch, myself |
| [03:37:26] | sphery: | Only downside of POV-Ray is that it's not FOSS... Isn't there a new FOSS one, now? |
| [03:37:26] | seth_hikaru: | and to top it off im only 16 so weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i gonna have sooooo much fun till i can even approach this mythtv thing again anytime soon |
| [03:37:36] | seth_hikaru: | omg |
| [03:37:42] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, hmm i took a picture but its kinda hard to tell without video. the text looks grany and shuffles around |
| [03:37:43] | seth_hikaru: | thanks sphery |
| [03:37:51] | seth_hikaru: | now i have to learn what FOSS is |
| [03:38:00] | kormoc: | sphery, those chairs better give Swedish massages with real Swede ladies |
| [03:38:02] | sphery: | Free and Open Source Software :) |
| [03:38:26] | seth_hikaru: | oh good |
| [03:38:34] | sphery: | kormoc: if they did, I wouldn't have thought they were so outrageously expensive |
| [03:39:07] | seth_hikaru: | for a second there i though you were going to make my life more stressful and cause me to die earlyier than i should have because of all the stress i will have in my life |
| [03:39:31] | seth_hikaru: | all of what i said above is enough |
| [03:39:38] | sphery: | A complete rewrite of POV-Ray ("POV-Ray 4.0") is currently under discussion, which would use a more liberal license, most likely GPL v3[7]. |
| [03:40:02] | seth_hikaru: | i have a lot to learn in the next 9–10 years of my life |
| [03:40:04] | sphery: | Then I may start using POV-Ray (to remind me of my total lack of artistic talent) |
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| [03:40:29] | seth_hikaru: | oh and im gonna be a game designer so you can laugh at all my stress in my life |
| [03:40:33] | iamlindoro: | If you're 16, don't rush it. Learn what you enjoy, go to a good liberal arts college, and attend lots of parties. Expose yourself to the opposite sex. |
| [03:40:45] | seth_hikaru: | wtf |
| [03:40:47] | iamlindoro: | Otherwise you'll end up like our resident shutins. |
| [03:40:53] | seth_hikaru: | why dont i just shoot myself |
| [03:40:54] | sphery: | lol |
| [03:41:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro: good advice |
| [03:41:08] | seth_hikaru: | because i dont want to do anytrhing gayish artsy |
| [03:41:18] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, come on... talk like that is unacceptable for this channel... |
| [03:41:29] | iamlindoro: | liberal arts != artsy, and better watch that kind of talk. |
| [03:42:00] | iamlindoro: | liberal arts schools have CE programs too. They just happen to have a fair proportion of human beings as well. |
| [03:42:05] | seth_hikaru: | id rather push myself hard for the next 9 to 10 years of my life so i can have a better life because i know how things work for sure |
| [03:42:08] | kormoc: | the artsy folks are the ones that give us such pretty themes to look at anyway... |
| [03:42:42] | seth_hikaru: | because after that i have to worry about starting up my own game desgning company and that wont be easy ill have enough to learn and worry about then |
| [03:42:52] | ** kormoc wonders if he should mention he was coding professionally at 19, and he started late compared to some of his friends ** | |
| [03:43:09] | seth_hikaru: | why am i SUCH AN IDIOT |
| [03:43:20] | seth_hikaru: | i am, so increadably smart |
| [03:43:31] | kormoc: | and so humble! |
| [03:43:34] | seth_hikaru: | yet when it comes to anything technical |
| [03:43:41] | seth_hikaru: | i cant really even code |
| [03:43:54] | seth_hikaru: | i taught myself c++ |
| [03:44:01] | seth_hikaru: | but forgot it because it looked so hard |
| [03:44:07] | seth_hikaru: | but i never really tried |
| [03:44:08] | wagnerrp: | coding takes a certain type of mind |
| [03:44:17] | wagnerrp: | either you can think in that manner, or you cant |
| [03:44:18] | seth_hikaru: | no |
| [03:44:57] | seth_hikaru: | you force yourself to think like a computer that is on crack and is communicating in say assembly instead of binary |
| [03:44:58] | ** kormoc wonders if seth_hikaru is related to the timecube.org guy ** | |
| [03:45:12] | seth_hikaru: | timecube.org guy?????????????????? |
| [03:45:25] | seth_hikaru: | i must have missed something |
| [03:45:35] | iamlindoro: | "the 90s" |
| [03:45:39] | wagnerrp: | very few programmers ever have reason to learn assembly |
| [03:45:42] | seth_hikaru: | whos the timecube.org guy and what si timecube.org |
| [03:45:48] | seth_hikaru: | you know what |
| [03:45:59] | iamlindoro: | They make web browsers that answer these questions |
| [03:46:22] | seth_hikaru: | i would rather have my programs run very efficently and quickly then ever having to worry about them running slowly |
| [03:46:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ |
| [03:46:45] | wagnerrp: | and if you think writing assembly is the route to that, you are sorely mistaken |
| [03:46:45] | seth_hikaru: | how can a web browser answer question when a computer has no logic |
| [03:46:49] | sphery: | after all, computer time is /far/ more expensive than developer time these days |
| [03:46:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Hahah, a coworker sent me that this week, I love it |
| [03:47:11] | seth_hikaru: | lolllllllllll |
| [03:47:29] | seth_hikaru: | why whats wrong with assembly |
| [03:47:39] | seth_hikaru: | i thought assembly what very effiecent |
| [03:47:56] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that gets written in assembly anymore is firmware, and in-line optimizations for very critical algorithms |
| [03:47:57] | kormoc: | sphery, be causeful, all the sarcasm dripping onto the floor makes it slipperily |
| [03:48:07] | sphery: | lol |
| [03:48:19] | wagnerrp: | assembly can be efficient, but it can be a horrid glob of fecal matter |
| [03:48:23] | wagnerrp: | it all depends on the programmer |
| [03:48:25] | seth_hikaru: | heres my question i aked to letmegooglethatforyou |
| [03:48:29] | kormoc: | assembly is no more or less efficient then anything else, it's really more about the coder |
| [03:48:32] | seth_hikaru: | heres the response i got |
| [03:48:34] | seth_hikaru: | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=am+i+retarded |
| [03:48:35] | sphery: | and the amount of time you put into creating the assembly |
| [03:48:37] | wagnerrp: | and modern C compilers tend to do a pretty good job |
| [03:48:54] | seth_hikaru: | lol |
| [03:49:03] | seth_hikaru: | i must be retarded |
| [03:49:22] | seth_hikaru: | well what about runescript |
| [03:49:25] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, in any case, let's end this topic now |
| [03:49:28] | seth_hikaru: | i wanna code in that |
| [03:49:37] | seth_hikaru: | what topic where |
| [03:49:39] | kormoc: | it's not the topic for the channel and this has gone on long enough |
| [03:49:48] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, your endless rambling |
| [03:49:53] | iamlindoro: | I sense that this story ends in a clocktower, and with a manifesto of some sort |
| [03:50:04] | seth_hikaru: | i have to catch the topic because it ran away? and im the new person in this room so i have to catch it? |
| [03:50:27] | wagnerrp: | what are you talking about? |
| [03:50:29] | sphery: | that's why there's a command /topic |
| [03:50:41] | kormoc: | seth_hikaru, no, the topic is already set, this is the user to user mythtv support channel, you are not talking about myth, that's enough. |
| [03:51:37] | sphery: | Heh... I thought "ran away" topic meant that it scrolled off screen. Nevermind about /topic, then |
| [03:51:58] | kormoc: | sphery, well, /topic just shows the topic :) |
| [03:52:03] | kormoc: | it was a valid point |
| [03:52:03] | seth_hikaru: | omg i cant see the topic |
| [03:52:07] | seth_hikaru: | !kick me |
| [03:52:16] | seth_hikaru: | cause im to lazy to close the windows |
| [03:52:18] | seth_hikaru: | windows |
| [03:52:25] | seth_hikaru: | windows* |
| [03:52:28] | seth_hikaru: | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| [03:52:33] | seth_hikaru: | window* |
| [03:53:16] | seth_hikaru: | wow im having big problems |
| [03:53:20] | iamlindoro: | Nothing shows one is a troll like not knowing what a topic is but knowing the kick command |
| [03:53:45] | seth_hikaru: | i should see an irc spesialist |
| [03:53:50] | seth_hikaru: | lol |
| [03:54:21] | seth_hikaru: | no but seriously someone kick me because im to lazy to close the tab right now |
| [03:54:31] | seth_hikaru: | or boot me |
| [03:54:37] | seth_hikaru: | just dont ban me |
| [03:55:38] | seth_hikaru: | !kick seth_hikaru |
| [03:55:48] | seth_hikaru: | !kick seth_hikaru please |
| [03:55:55] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc | |
| [03:55:58] | seth_hikaru: | !please kick seth_hikaru |
| [03:56:00] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : +b *!i=SETH_HIK@*.midco.net | |
| [03:56:00] | seth_hikaru has been kicked from #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc (kormoc) | |
| [03:56:05] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc | |
| [03:56:10] | iamlindoro: | kablooie |
| [03:56:11] | wagnerrp: | weeeee! |
| [03:56:26] | wagnerrp: | well... you cant say he wasnt asking for it |
| [03:56:33] | kormoc: | tis true |
| [03:56:35] | iamlindoro: | That reminds me of Br'er Rabbit |
| [03:56:37] | kormoc: | that was amazingly annoying |
| [03:56:46] | iamlindoro: | "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!" |
| [03:56:58] | wagnerrp: | man... that ride sucked |
| [03:57:20] | wagnerrp: | like 5 minutes of floating around, and its a 5s log flume |
| [04:03:59] | iamlindoro: | I was gonna take bets on his age when he left, but then he went and mentioned it ten times |
| [04:04:23] | sphery: | I would have guessed younger, so I guess I owe you |
| [04:04:36] | iamlindoro: | naw, I would have guessed 14ish |
| [04:04:40] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19152 in case anyone cares :P |
| [04:04:51] | wagnerrp: | could someone scratch my ass for me? im too lazy to do it myself |
| [04:05:16] | iamlindoro: | Sweet! I really need to get a touch |
| [04:05:25] | iamlindoro: | ipod touch, not wagnerrp's ass |
| [04:05:31] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:05:33] | wagnerrp: | awww |
| [04:05:44] | kormoc: | it's really limited right now, I'm hoping patches will be submitted... |
| [04:05:58] | kormoc: | but the main framework is there, so should be simplier to add stuff in |
| [04:06:19] | kormoc: | god, the stream.pl stuff was amazingly nasty |
| [04:06:47] | sphery: | kormoc: I tried svn import iPod Touch, but I still don't have one? |
| [04:07:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:07:29] | kormoc: | you could always sponsor me a larger one and I'll be happy to send you my current one as a gift! |
| [04:07:50] | sphery: | lol |
| [04:08:24] | kormoc: | of course, that only works if you don't mind the engraving, 'Toucha toucha touch me, Thrill me, chill me, fulfill me' |
| [04:09:13] | iamlindoro: | users of .21-fixes asking how this can be used with their backend in 3...2... |
| [04:09:15] | sphery: | Nice engraving. :) I happened to offer a varied collection of PVR-x50's to a certain Myth dev, but can't tell if he really does want them or if he was just being thankful for the offer. |
| [04:09:30] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:09:35] | sphery: | Perhaps he's just afraid of my finding out his real life address... |
| [04:10:13] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [04:10:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm sure they'll instead just ask kormoc to backport it for them. "How hard could it be?" |
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| [04:10:43] | kormoc: | Well, if anyone without a ipod touch wants to play with it, Safari works fairly well |
| [04:11:09] | sphery: | can you run the touch emulator on Linux? |
| [04:11:12] | kormoc: | and if they have a mac, the iphone simulator is free (but doesn't have any video codecs) |
| [04:11:15] | iamlindoro: | Someone will just write a ruby script that's "just as good" |
| [04:11:30] | Leebier: | i know this question is a bit more #fedora than #mythtv-users, but it's for a mythbox, so i'll give it a shot. I set up my (mythdora 5) box yesterday, got firewire running, but when i booted up today, dv1394 and raw1394 do not load up. i can modprobe them, but they don't start on boot, any ideas? |
| [04:11:39] | sphery: | I'm still waiting for the 40-line perl replacement for myth |
| [04:11:44] | kormoc: | I'm still waiting for all the folks who were gonna help me with the php bindings last year to send in their patches... |
| [04:13:07] | sphery: | Leebier: I know there's been some major churn in the RedHat-ish Firewire libs lately. Might need to go to a more Fedora/Mythdora/Red Hat-centric forum to ask. |
| [04:13:33] | kormoc: | according to Mr. X Ris, F10's firewire stack isn't myth friendly right now |
| [04:13:54] | sphery: | kormoc: But I thought it was the thought that counts. Are you really asking for more? |
| [04:13:57] | iamlindoro: | ooof, that *is* ugly: http://reginald.zoop.org/blog/?page_id=25 |
| [04:14:00] | Leebier: | sphery- yeah, i figured. oddly, it worked yesterday, the only thing i changed was something to try to fix the permissions issue, but i backed that change out now |
| [04:14:14] | kormoc: | sphery, ahh, silly me! |
| [04:14:48] | sphery: | it may be something as simple as just a module-loading issue, but it could easily be far more complex, so I wouldn't know where to start |
| [04:15:07] | sphery: | (since I don't know anything about hats of any kind) |
| [04:15:10] | Leebier: | shpery, right, i'm not sure where to start either |
| [04:15:43] | Leebier: | and, as always, #fedora is busy talking about other things instead |
| [04:15:44] | iamlindoro: | At risk of sounding rude, I'd say #fedora is |
| [04:16:05] | iamlindoro: | ah, well at least you've actually gone there, more than we can say for some |
| [04:16:16] | Leebier: | nah, i understand, i started there :) |
| [04:16:37] | Leebier: | but i figured since myth users run up against this more often than most (stupid cable companies and their shitty STBs) it was worth a shot :) |
| [04:16:58] | iamlindoro: | I know that J-rod has been working the firewire angle pretty hard so I have faith it should improve in the next fedora release |
| [04:17:19] | kormoc: | Leebier, if you see j-rod or xris active in the channel, it might prove useful to ask them directly |
| [04:17:40] | Leebier: | this all makes sense, i knew i was askin for some trouble when going the FW route, the part that bugs me is that i had it working yesterday, so I know it's possible, but that I did something stupid to bork it :) |
| [04:18:09] | Leebier: | kormoc- good call, i'll keep my eyes open tomorrow |
| [04:18:23] | iamlindoro: | "Edit the mythtv.xml file to create new links to your desired streams – the included file includes feeds for Obama’s weekly address, Monty Python sketches, and The Onion so cut & paste and follow the pattern. In the <action> tag, the first parameter is zero to indicate RSS feed. second parameter is the feed URL. the third parameter is optional – if it’s set to 1 the feed is shuffled (see the Monty Python feed for an examp |
| [04:18:38] | iamlindoro: | Well heck, simple as that? I'm dropping MythTube immediately. |
| [04:19:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but, if nothing else, it's something to keep the users from dropping -fixes in droves :) |
| [04:20:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery: And here I was believing the "abject terror of anything requiring compiling" was doing that |
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| [04:21:16] | sphery: | I don't know, it seems a lot of people who shouldn't be are running trunk on their production boxes |
| [04:21:29] | iamlindoro: | Tell me about it |
| [04:21:29] | kormoc: | I debate all the time if I should |
| [04:21:31] | sphery: | not as many since the Qt4 conversion, but still |
| [04:21:46] | NightMonkey: | Howdy, all. I have a strange problem develop with mythweb (0.21_p17573). |
| [04:21:50] | iamlindoro: | often the only reason is "I run trunk because I always have" |
| [04:22:25] | NightMonkey: | I set up my Palm Centro to browse via my laptop over Bluetooth (using the laptop as a proxy) a few days ago. |
| [04:22:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Hopefully my excuse of HD-PVR support and my recent tinkering are enough to be approved for running trunk :) |
| [04:22:45] | NightMonkey: | Now, when I browse from my laptop's Firefox, I get the wap skin. |
| [04:22:51] | wagnerrp: | apparently some 19-yr old ODd on pills while hundreds watched over his webcam |
| [04:23:02] | iamlindoro: | NightMonkey: pretty sure that's covered in the README for mythweb |
| [04:23:14] | iamlindoro: | including instructions on how to reset it |
| [04:23:15] | kormoc: | NightMonkey, you'll need to add to the url blah/mythweb/?RESET_SKIN&RESET_TMPL |
| [04:23:15] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: Ah, I'll check it, thanks. |
| [04:23:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: the fact that you keep up to date and you don't expect others to just fix your "critical/blocker" bug is enough |
| [04:23:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: whew! |
| [04:23:53] | kormoc: | "I'm running -trunk from 2004, I found a bug, please submit your patch to me via goat" |
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| [04:25:18] | sphery: | NightMonkey: while running 0.21-fixes (i.e. until 0.22 is released), you may want to have separate Apache htdigest/MythWeb users for your Palm (WAP devices) and your computers, then it won't keep getting "stuck" |
| [04:25:52] | sphery: | NightMonkey: also, you can likely get to the README with <MythWeb URI>/README |
| [04:26:49] | ajhtwolf: | hey is there a way to make recordings nad live tv save on the backend? |
| [04:27:05] | kormoc: | uhh? it already does? |
| [04:27:11] | ajhtwolf: | hmmm |
| [04:27:16] | ajhtwolf: | somethings wrong then :P never mind |
| [04:30:05] | ** iamlindoro wonders if the questions tonight seem particularly weird to anyone else ** | |
| [04:31:23] | NightMonkey: | sphery, kormoc: Hrm. I tried kormoc's suggestion, and the ?RESET_THEME=yes from the readme, but no luck. Is there a file or location in the DB I can modify? |
| [04:31:35] | ajhtwolf: | oh i see what happened, ok so I have some recordings from a different backend that i need to put on the new backend, copying the files directory into the recordings directory didnt work, it doesnt seem to recognize them, can i make it include them somehow? |
| [04:31:43] | sphery: | NightMonkey: It's RESET_TMPL=yes |
| [04:31:56] | NightMonkey: | sphery: Ah, ok, I'll give that a shot. |
| [04:32:12] | NightMonkey: | Joy! :) |
| [04:32:18] | NightMonkey: | Thanks, sphery and kormoc. |
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| [04:33:16] | iamlindoro: | ajhtwolf: You need to export the DB info from the old DB and import into the new DB, or use the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script to do it the ugly way |
| [04:33:23] | NightMonkey: | Btw, RESET_TMPL doesn't appear in the README, at least in Gentoo. (date in README: February 16, 2008) |
| [04:33:23] | sphery: | NightMonkey: the trunk version of the README got fixed when they realized that README wasn't updated after RESET_THEME was changed to RESET_TMPL, but the -fixes version didn't get updated |
| [04:33:35] | NightMonkey: | sphery: Ah, jinx. |
| [04:33:42] | NightMonkey: | sphery: Thanks. |
| [04:33:54] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, it iwll have to be the ugly way, the other database is lost |
| [04:34:52] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: different backend meaning, "I had a completely separate/unrelated MythTV system" or meaning, "I just did an upgrade and after following the database-migration instructions, ..." |
| [04:35:21] | iamlindoro: | c) broke the frist one, built the second |
| [04:35:26] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, completely seperate, the backend used to be on this machine, but i had to wipe and reformat because of a hard disk failure. The backend is now on myftp server |
| [04:35:31] | sphery: | in other words, were these recording /ever/ in the current database (even if the current one was brought in through a backup) |
| [04:35:50] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, yeah i gotcha, nope they werent |
| [04:36:04] | sphery: | if so, then, there's not a good way to get them in the DB |
| [04:36:30] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, ah well i guess what i will do is just use nuvexport to make them into some mpg files and watch them in mythvideo |
| [04:36:34] | sphery: | so you lost the old DB in the HDD failure? |
| [04:36:37] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, ive been meaning to do that anyway |
| [04:36:43] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, yeah unfortuantely :( |
| [04:36:45] | ** iamlindoro is a strong proponent of the "move anything you care about keeping to MythVideo" way ** | |
| [04:36:50] | sphery: | yeah, MythVideo is the best place for them, anyway |
| [04:36:58] | sphery: | getting them back into recordings isn't worth the effort |
| [04:37:20] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, yeah you are probably right, its like 120gigs of data that needs to be shrunk anyway haha |
| [04:37:58] | ** sphery realizes his automatic recordings-file-maintenance patch just got guilted up one more notch of priority (for automatically finding orphaned files and metadata) ** | |
| [04:38:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Great job losing ajhtwolf his files, jerk. |
| [04:38:26] | sphery: | :( |
| [04:38:37] | iamlindoro: | awwwwwww I'm just joshin' ya |
| [04:38:42] | ajhtwolf: | you know what would be an awesome feature? in transcoding options having the option to have them transcoded into mpeg files into a different directory automatically |
| [04:39:00] | sphery: | yeah, transcode to MythVideo... |
| [04:39:10] | ajhtwolf: | i cant believe the havent done that :p |
| [04:39:13] | sphery: | especially after the MythVideo storage groups stuff.. |
| [04:39:22] | iamlindoro: | s/transcode/copy?/ |
| [04:39:33] | sphery: | either or both |
| [04:40:15] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, you ever encoded something into xvid3 vs just xvid? |
| [04:40:40] | ajhtwolf: | ive always just done xvid, i just noticed the option to use xvid3 on this program I got |
| [04:41:09] | sphery: | I don't do any transcoding. I watch and delete. |
| [04:41:39] | iamlindoro: | no matter what type of xvid you call it, it's still all just MPEG-4 ASP |
| [04:41:39] | ajhtwolf: | whatever :P you dont have a favorite series that you keep the episodes from? |
| [04:41:47] | sphery: | might eventually start transcoding when I run out of TV series on DVD's to watch on business trips. |
| [04:41:47] | iamlindoro: | which is to say, "same difference" |
| [04:42:03] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, gotcha, i figured there probably wasnt a big difference |
| [04:42:07] | sphery: | ajhtwolf: I buy DVD's of the favorite series. |
| [04:42:18] | sphery: | Myth is to record the shows I like but that I don't love. |
| [04:42:42] | iamlindoro: | ajhtwolf: no more than the difference between divx and xvid-- they're all cross-compatible with each other and have no real advantages (outside of some are OSS and some are not) |
| [04:42:46] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, gotcha, I just tell it to record any showing on any channel of the shows i like and keep building up my episode list |
| [04:43:27] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, id give slight kudos to divx when it comes to putting things on my ftp for my friends because more windows users have divx |
| [04:43:38] | ajhtwolf: | but that is just in my case :-P |
| [04:43:48] | iamlindoro: | ajhtwolf: cross compatible means your xvid stuff will play fine with divx players. |
| [04:43:54] | sphery: | Those that I love I won't allow to be blemished with logos, and ads, and "We interrupt this broadcast," and "We now return you to ... already in progress," and "Hey Joe, did you remember to flip the switch to re-enable the HDTV stream after the commercial break." :) |
| [04:43:57] | iamlindoro: | and vice versa |
| [04:43:58] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, not so on windows |
| [04:44:12] | iamlindoro: | ajhtwolf: That has nothing to do with codec, they're the *same* |
| [04:44:26] | iamlindoro: | probably has something to do with windows and stupid fourcc |
| [04:44:32] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, probably |
| [04:44:40] | iamlindoro: | xvid is an open implementation of divx, the end |
| [04:44:47] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, you have to download the xvid codecs to get xvid videos to work and divx to get divx to work in windowss |
| [04:45:02] | ajhtwolf: | but i wouldnt know why :p |
| [04:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Nor I, since neither divx nor xvid are codecs unto themselves |
| [04:45:33] | iamlindoro: | xvid and divx are just parallel implementations of MPEG-4 part 2 ASP |
| [04:45:38] | ajhtwolf: | just that the windows users complain about the xvids more ;) |
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| [04:46:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: actually, xvid is divx from right before the point where the guy who started divx stole the divx code from all the contributors, then updated and eventually surpassing divx in functionality |
| [04:46:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Still doesn't make either of them a codec |
| [04:46:45] | sphery: | yeah, but I hate the fact that anyone uses divx after that guy got away with stealing the code |
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| [04:47:12] | ajhtwolf: | that was weird |
| [04:47:20] | kormoc: | sphery, are you saying divx is the hero or the villain? |
| [04:47:29] | sphery: | so I just have to tell take every chance to tell people about it |
| [04:47:37] | sphery: | divx is the villain. xvid is the hero |
| [04:47:43] | kormoc: | rgr |
| [04:47:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Yeah, I remember the whole Sigma thing |
| [04:48:09] | kormoc: | sphery, you said divx rather then xvid a few times, was hard to sort out what was what :P |
| [04:48:35] | iamlindoro: | erm, My bad, Sigma was later, they stole xvid |
| [04:48:39] | ajhtwolf: | god its nice to finally have this thing working right |
| [04:48:45] | ajhtwolf: | almost makes me not want to mess with it |
| [04:49:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm of a mind that myth exists (within boundaries) to mess with. |
| [04:49:30] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't be as much fun if you couldn't prod at it |
| [04:49:32] | ajhtwolf: | yeah... im sure i will eventually |
| [04:49:35] | ajhtwolf: | try and fix this frame jitter |
| [04:49:46] | ajhtwolf: | for now i can live with it though :p |
| [04:49:51] | iamlindoro: | change your deinterlacer from bob to anything else ;) |
| [04:49:55] | iamlindoro: | They, took care of that for you |
| [04:49:58] | iamlindoro: | er there, |
| [04:50:14] | ajhtwolf: | deinterlacer? wheres that at? |
| [04:50:24] | ajhtwolf: | I dont remember seeing that in the pages an pages of settings i went through |
| [04:50:33] | ** iamlindoro cracks his knuckles, sets to typing ** | |
| [04:50:51] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three, edit each rul, second page of each |
| [04:50:52] | iamlindoro: | rule |
| [04:51:07] | iamlindoro: | or, optionally, change your profile to slim which I believe doesn't use bob |
| [04:51:34] | iamlindoro: | MAn, if these screens ever shift around al my mojo will be lost |
| [04:51:43] | iamlindoro: | s/al/all/ |
| [04:53:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: actually before the sigma thing, the OpenDivX project created encore, then it was significantly improved and called encore2, then the source code was removed from the CVS repo without warning, then a proprietary version of their DivX software was release and the only comment about the source removal was basically their bosses didn't want the code to be public. |
| [04:53:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: see above, I corrected myself ;) |
| [04:53:41] | sphery: | oh, probably while I was busy typing :) |
| [04:53:52] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, i think that ours might be slightyl different |
| [04:54:16] | iamlindoro: | If you're running .21 or later, that is the correct location |
| [04:54:46] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, wait wait alright here it is |
| [04:54:55] | iamlindoro: | I know ;) |
| [04:55:12] | ajhtwolf: | alrighty so i got decoder video rendere and OSD rendere |
| [04:55:25] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, maybe im being stupid but im looking for sometihng that says bob :P |
| [04:55:43] | iamlindoro: | "edit each rule, *second* page of each" |
| [04:55:47] | iamlindoro: | emphasis mine |
| [04:56:12] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, woops sorry, alrighty it was on linear blend |
| [04:56:30] | iamlindoro: | Linear blend is fine. Check all of the rules and see if any are Bob, and change to something else. |
| [04:56:47] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, alrighty, which one do you think is the best though? |
| [04:57:01] | iamlindoro: | too many variables to make a generalization about that |
| [04:57:14] | ajhtwolf: | k il stick with linear then |
| [04:57:18] | iamlindoro: | try them, see which you like |
| [04:57:29] | iamlindoro: | There are also helpful tooltips which expain each |
| [04:58:31] | ajhtwolf: | cool, i tried the "normal" profile" this one looks pretty good |
| [04:59:05] | iamlindoro: | "Slim" is really the one that most people should be using, but there is no harm in experimenting |
| [04:59:37] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, I tried that but it offset the video to the right too much |
| [04:59:41] | ajhtwolf: | highquality looks pretty good too |
| [05:00:06] | iamlindoro: | offset?? None of the playback profiles should move your video at all. |
| [05:01:05] | ajhtwolf: | iamlindoro, weird... yeah it kinda windows it a littel bit, so it doesnt cover the whole screen and moves it off to the right |
| [05:01:24] | iamlindoro: | uuuuhhhhhh ok, well, whatever |
| [05:02:18] | ajhtwolf: | High qaulity seems to be the best bet |
| [05:03:00] | ** sphery wonders how many think "High Quality" is the best profile because of its name :) ** | |
| [05:03:32] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, pshhh, i tried them all :p |
| [05:03:33] | sphery: | Slim and Normal both use the same video renderer (Xv blit), so I can't see any reason that you'd see an offset with one but not the other |
| [05:04:01] | sphery: | what size video? standard def or HDTV? |
| [05:04:45] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, size as in the aspect ratio, and it is standard |
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| [05:06:22] | sphery: | just size as in resolution, so if standard def, normal would use greedyhdoubleprocessdeint by default, which differs rather significantly from linearblend (which would be used by Slim), but still shouldn't affect placement. (Otherwise, the profiles are basically identical for SDTV--at least in their default un-edited configuration). http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles |
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| [05:06:47] | ajhtwolf: | lol i believe.. but im telling ya itsh appening :p |
| [05:08:18] | sphery: | yeah, just saying I can't imagine why |
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| [05:09:28] | ajhtwolf: | this sure looks much better than what it was on by default though |
| [05:09:35] | ajhtwolf: | I wonder why they use that if it causes the frame jitter |
| [05:10:06] | sphery: | Normal is supposed to be the default, but there's a little issue that means CPU++ gets used on many systems. |
| [05:10:16] | sphery: | Was it CPU++ being used on yours? |
| [05:10:50] | sphery: | CPU++ uses bob and bob is great for some setups but only if properly configured |
| [05:11:19] | ** iamlindoro looks forward to the temporal noise deint from VDPAU ** | |
| [05:11:21] | ajhtwolf: | yeah it was cpu++ |
| [05:12:02] | sphery: | Yeah. I may eventually fix the issue causing it to choose the wrong one (though if I do, I'll probably make the patch choose Slim instead of Normal and see if it gets committed that way or if they change it back to Normal :) |
| [05:12:55] | ajhtwolf: | sphery, do you use interlaced dct encoding or interlaced motion estimation? |
| [05:13:18] | sphery: | I don't transcode :) |
| [05:13:51] | ajhtwolf: | this is for live tv |
| [05:14:00] | ajhtwolf: | maybe its only if you use v4l |
| [05:14:26] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't have a frame grabber. Always used PVR-x50's for SDTV and now I have HDTV, so I don't do any encoding. |
| [05:14:49] | ajhtwolf: | Ive got a really old tuner and just basic cable hah |
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| [05:40:33] | whoever: | hi all, i have mythbackend in my rc.conf and it appears to start on boot but stops as soon as it starts, |
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| [05:53:10] | cesman: | certainly didn't stick around for an answer |
| [05:53:50] | TTxT: | Just a simple question, I guess: I want to write a plugin using QT4, it is going to be compatible with mythtv 0.21 and 0.22? |
| [05:53:59] | cesman: | 0.22 |
| [05:54:07] | TTxT: | only? |
| [05:54:23] | cesman: | 0.23 when it is out |
| [05:54:29] | TTxT: | heheh |
| [05:54:41] | cesman: | 0,21 uses QT3... |
| [05:55:00] | TTxT: | I mean 0.21, there is a way to make it compatible using qt4? |
| [05:55:01] | cesman: | of course, you may have to rework your plugins for 0.23 |
| [05:55:18] | cesman: | not that I'm aware of |
| [05:55:23] | TTxT: | ok |
| [05:55:25] | TTxT: | thanks |
| [05:55:33] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [06:29:54] | dacs: | howdy, I need help installing mythTV please |
| [06:32:26] | xris: | dacs: I'd recommend asking specific questions or you'll only get satire here... |
| [06:34:12] | dacs: | xris: my question is about the database, i can't access it |
| [06:35:10] | xris: | dacs: how did you install mythtv? packages or compile from source? |
| [06:35:21] | xris: | and what distro? |
| [06:37:03] | dacs: | xris: debian etch |
| [06:37:44] | dacs: | xris: this the link i followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch |
| [06:38:58] | xris: | dacs: there are instructions there for both packages and source. which did you use? |
| [06:39:31] | dacs: | xris: apt-get install mythtv |
| [06:41:01] | dacs: | this is complete , then i am trying to install mythTV frontend and i at the point where it is asking about the db, i created db mythconverg but i can't access it |
| [06:41:39] | xris: | dacs: did you create a mysql user for mythtv to use to connect to the database? |
| [06:41:53] | xris: | GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* to mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'; |
| [06:41:55] | xris: | or something like that |
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| [06:54:01] | dacs: | xris: do i need to create any tables ?... i can't login at all |
| [06:54:26] | xris: | dacs: you shouldn't need any tables. just the grant and the database itself. mythtv will create the tables it needs |
| [06:54:48] | xris: | I'd recommend taking a look at the official docs... they have a lot more detail: http://mythtv.org/docs/ |
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| [07:22:01] | dacs: | I am getting "can not login to database? |
| [07:24:33] | xris: | dacs: can you log in with the mythtv login info via the mysql commandline client? |
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| [07:29:10] | dacs: | xris: let me try |
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| [07:46:45] | xris: | dacs: sorry to leave you hanging, but I need to sleep. Try back tomorrow during daytime US time and there should be a lot more people awake. |
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| [07:48:55] | dacs: | xris: it ok , me too i gtg sleep now it is 15min to midnight here |
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| [09:15:15] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, my frontend is an AMD 2600+ that seems to chug on 720p playback. I've been out of the loop for a while, and wondering if a) a 2600+ can handle 720p and b) can I pawn the decoding off onto the video card? |
| [09:15:59] | jduggan: | there's no way on this planet |
| [09:16:15] | jduggan: | but with recent advances with nvidia driver.. offloading is a possibility |
| [09:16:41] | jduggan: | search the list |
| [09:16:53] | jduggan: | lots of recent activity on the subject |
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| [09:17:23] | ServerSage: | Sweet, thanks. Really hope the video card offloading works, I'd hate to have to convince my wife that, "Yes, we do need this...". hehe |
| [09:18:06] | jduggan: | it requires a fairly new card |
| [09:18:12] | jduggan: | >8200 |
| [09:18:15] | jduggan: | IIRC |
| [09:18:23] | ServerSage: | Grrr, figures. |
| [09:19:02] | clever: | though some cards are >8200 but just labled differently |
| [09:19:04] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| [09:19:07] | clever: | like that one |
| [09:19:34] | ServerSage: | I've got an older FX5600. :/ |
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| [09:20:01] | clever: | but a video card upgrade can still be cheaper then a whole new system |
| [09:20:13] | clever: | assuming you have pci-e slots on the existing mobo |
| [09:21:03] | ServerSage: | clever: No dice, it's my OLD system, good old AGP. |
| [09:21:17] | directhex: | s/good /// |
| [09:21:22] | clever: | ahh, just like half my desktops |
| [09:21:24] | directhex: | except without the extra slash |
| [09:21:37] | clever: | ive got nothing but isa pci and agp |
| [09:22:31] | jduggan: | you can get 8xxx series PCI |
| [09:22:41] | jduggan: | im sure its been talked about on the list also |
| [09:22:59] | ServerSage: | jduggan: Yeah, but I can't imagine that being a wise investment. |
| [09:23:10] | directhex: | well, duh |
| [09:23:36] | jduggan: | ServerSage: depends on teh cost, if it saves you building a whole new frontend, then why not |
| [09:25:15] | ServerSage: | Would seem to me that even with an 8x on PCI, your bus would be slow enough to cause problems. |
| [09:25:46] | clever: | all the heavy decoding is done in the gpu, so in theory, only the compressed 264/mpeg will be going over the bus |
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| [10:15:32] | t0ny-p40: | Does mythtv do any upscaling with dvds? I was comparing mythtv with my friends ps3 and the ps3 looks like trash compared to mythtv. |
| [10:20:23] | justinh: | mythtv will play any video at the current X resolution unless you tell it otherwise |
| [10:20:37] | justinh: | no fancy scaling by default, just whatever X gives you |
| [10:21:04] | justinh: | there's a software scaling feature in the -vid branch but I've no idea what state it;s in |
| [10:24:02] | justinh: | so if the PS3 is shite compared to the default scaling mythtv does.. hate to think how it'd compare to lanczos |
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| [10:24:55] | t0ny-p40: | I can only get a few hd channels with qam right now on my tv and the dvd looks better then them. |
| [10:25:11] | t0ny-p40: | Might be because cableone is compressing the hell out of it. |
| [10:25:27] | justinh: | heh we've all seen the screenshots of US 'HD' cable |
| [10:25:32] | doje: | t0ny-p40: or the program was SD |
| [10:26:24] | doje: | t0ny-p40: I see that a lot on my cable, some older programs look better than they would in SD, but not as good as newer programs shot in HD |
| [10:27:02] | justinh: | vintage TV shows like Mission Impossible look fab in HD because they were made on film as opposed to video :) |
| [10:27:53] | doje: | justinh: I'll bet, that reminds me of the first 80mm film I saw. Vertigo |
| [10:28:14] | doje: | I couldn't believe the detail |
| [10:28:53] | doje: | sorry, 70mm |
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| [13:23:12] | gbee: | ping |
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| [13:33:21] | janneg: | hi gbee |
| [13:33:44] | janneg: | sorry, I was away yesterday after asking for the dmesg |
| [13:33:59] | gbee: | hi, no problem, figured it out in the end |
| [13:34:03] | janneg: | but I've seen you figured it out |
| [13:36:25] | quicksilver: | Occasionally mythtv locks my Xserver (sad, I know, but true). Can I use irexec to react to (say) the power button and reset X? |
| [13:36:41] | quicksilver: | I'm not entirely sure what happens if several programs are 'fighting' over the remote. |
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| [13:50:09] | CoreDump: | quicksilver: of course. irexec requires a woring lirc setup and is independent of X |
| [13:50:11] | gbee: | thought about upgrading X, the video driver or similar? |
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| [13:55:03] | sphery: | quicksilver: irexec is not dependent on X (use ldd /usr/bin/irexec to prove it), so you could do something like that. However, chances are X is "locking up" because it's maxing out the CPU--i.e. because you're using NVIDIA drivers without the UseEvents option enabled or ... |
| [13:56:23] | sphery: | note that irxevent is the one that relies on X (in case someone was wondering) |
| [13:56:23] | quicksilver: | CoreDump: yup. I have working lirc. My concern was about mythtv being a lirc client fighting with irexec being also a lirc client |
| [13:56:46] | sphery: | LIRC is designed to work with an unlimited number of clients |
| [13:56:53] | CoreDump: | exactly |
| [13:56:59] | quicksilver: | that's great. |
| [13:57:07] | quicksilver: | it's not maxing CPU, btw. |
| [13:57:11] | quicksilver: | 0% CPU. |
| [13:57:17] | sphery: | what drivers? |
| [13:57:19] | quicksilver: | just not responding to keyboard / remote control. |
| [13:57:19] | CoreDump: | I use irexec to forcefully kill and restart mythfrontend |
| [13:57:23] | quicksilver: | free ATI drivers |
| [13:57:41] | quicksilver: | sshing in and killing mythfrontend doesn't wake it up |
| [13:57:48] | quicksilver: | restarting gdm does, though |
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| [14:00:10] | sphery: | Well, it's almost definitely a driver issue, so you could try other versions of the drivers (ideally confirmed-working-by-other-Myth-users versions) and/or check your driver installation/configuration. |
| [14:00:54] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [14:01:04] | quicksilver: | there is a slightly reluctance to fiddle unduly. |
| [14:01:09] | quicksilver: | since it works well 99.9% of the time ;) |
| [14:01:11] | CoreDump: | hehe |
| [14:01:13] | quicksilver: | 99.99% even. |
| [14:01:47] | ** CoreDump understands ** | |
| [14:01:57] | quicksilver: | the problems are mostly triggered by poor signal, so they're associated either with the dvb drivers or myth's attempt to decode the mpg2 stream |
| [14:02:19] | quicksilver: | which makes it a bit weird that killing mythfrontend wasn't sufficient to clear it. |
| [14:02:26] | quicksilver: | (maybe I did something wrong) |
| [14:02:29] | sphery: | Also, there's a bug in the NVIDIA drivers that means that if you use the (unsupported) OpenGL renderer for video, you can only play back one video per reboot. If that's the case, there's not a lot you can do other than find a version of the drivers without the bug (or, in this case, don't use the unsupported OpenGL video renderer). |
| [14:02:48] | sphery: | if that's the case = if Myth exercises a buggy part of the drivers |
| [14:03:32] | sphery: | really, though, Myth's decoding has nothing to do with the video drivers--certainly nothing that could cause X/video drivers to lock |
| [14:04:49] | sphery: | and playback that works for good video should "work" for bad--though won't display a pretty picture. (However, if you're using hardware decoding, this may be different, but I don't think ATI has any hardware decoding offload/XvMC stuff...) |
| [14:04:50] | quicksilver: | well that tends to through some doubt on my epxerimental methods. |
| [14:05:11] | quicksilver: | perhaps I'm wrong and actually killing mythfrontend *is* enough :) |
| [14:05:40] | sphery: | I'm guessing something is triggering a bug in the drivers, but it should just be bad video... |
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| [14:06:35] | sphery: | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| [14:06:42] | gbee: | as sphery said, if X locks up it's not Myth's fault, but I'd concentrate on fixing the problem rather than workarounds such as a lirc idea |
| [14:07:05] | quicksilver: | gbee: a workaround has the advantage that my wife won't scream down the phone at me if it locks up when I'm out :P |
| [14:08:04] | gbee: | hmm, just noticed you said you were using free drivers, I'd stick with proprietary personally |
| [14:08:52] | quicksilver: | pretty sure fglrx doesn't work on a 9250 |
| [14:08:58] | quicksilver: | or at least, doesn't do tv-out |
| [14:12:12] | quicksilver: | It would certainly be a good idea for me to get the latest version of the free drivers, though, they've been worked on pretty heavily for the last year or so. |
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| [14:13:39] | gbee: | had to check, but you are right, 9250 is too old |
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| [16:02:22] | Chutt: | hrmph |
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| [16:10:58] | jams: | more upnp troubles? |
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| [16:11:25] | Chutt: | mailman troubles |
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| [16:18:56] | ** jams goes to shovel before snow turns to ice. ** | |
| [16:19:51] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders about the people trying to do Ubuntu-on-Opensolaris so that they can use ZFS w/ Myth ** | |
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| [16:21:40] | iamlindoro_: | Seems it'd be so much easier just to improve the ZFS-via-FUSE project or just get Myth compiling on BSD |
| [16:24:30] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-November/063741.html Hee hee, I love that guy |
| [16:24:56] | gbee: | doesn't seem to me that the people who think ZFS is worth this effort are really bright enough to try easier alternatives |
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| [16:37:54] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone who records House/Fringe will want to make sure they've run mythfilldatabase recently, btw, Fox has decided to move the start times to 8 after the hour. (What is this, Australia?) |
| [16:39:48] | Chutt: | it's a 'special extended episode' |
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| [16:41:02] | iamlindoro___: | Ah, interesting-- Don't watch House (and don't watch commercials) so only saw that Fring had been offset |
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| [16:50:48] | Guest3497: | i can no longer stream or even download videos (using the direct download link) on mythweb. any ideas? used to work, not sure what changed. |
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| [16:54:09] | iamlindoro_: | Indicating what happens when you *try* to do one of those things would probably be obscenely helpful |
| [16:54:48] | Guest3497: | thats the thing, nothing happends |
| [16:54:55] | Guest3497: | no error, just sits there |
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| [16:56:26] | Guest3497: | if i right click on the link and check properties, it has "not available" for the url of the link. odd |
| [16:57:00] | Guest3497: | the video shows up in the flash window though. but if i click play on the flash control the video just goes blank. |
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| [17:02:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: The initial 'video' is just a thumbnail. It doesnt |
| [17:02:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ' ... start steaming until you press Play. |
| [17:04:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: I've got the same issue, but haven't taken the time to troubleshoot it. IIRC, it's experimental and uses ffmpeg, so perhaps I got that out of whack... |
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| [17:05:05] | Guest3497: | jeffa: well, the direct download doesnt work either though |
| [17:05:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: That should work – let me check mine... |
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| [17:07:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: Works fine here... If I click on it, it prompts me what to do with the file... |
| [17:07:58] | Guest3497: | yeah, clicking on it doesnt do anything for me. used to work. |
| [17:07:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: And ASX Stream works fine too – even on winblows. ;-) Just the flash streaming isn't operational for me atm... |
| [17:08:21] | Guest3497: | both asx and direct download for me do nothing |
| [17:08:50] | Guest3497: | not sure where to track this down. didnt see any errors in the apache logs or the mythbackaned logs. |
| [17:09:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: Well, I'm running 0.21-fixes from about a week ago. You're not running 'trunk' are you? |
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| [17:09:41] | Guest3497: | i dont run svn, its just the latest release |
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| [17:11:04] | Guest3497: | i shouldnt need to open up more than port 80 on my router for this stuff should I? |
| [17:12:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: I don't think so, but I'm not sure about that – you'd need one of the mythweb devs to verify that. |
| [17:13:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Guest3497: PS: I hope you've got your security setup or you're asking for lots of problems... |
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| [17:14:38] | cesman: | Guest3497: if your question is to in regard to accessing MythWeb from the Internet, then yes. |
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| [17:15:09] | cesman: | Guest3497: however I'd recommend you _don't_ use port 80 |
| [17:15:45] | cesman: | Guest3497: use another and secure MythWeb |
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| [17:23:13] | artus35: | Hello all |
| [17:23:33] | Guest3497: | oesman: i was just wondering if the flash streaming needed another port |
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| [18:31:10] | sphery: | heh... There are no questions in the "Questions and Answers" section of the MySQL page in the wiki. :) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mysql |
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| [18:34:14] | iamlindoro_: | Guess it must be that self-explanatory, then |
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| [18:37:40] | knight\zzz: | so full screen doesnt work for me [0 for gui width, height sizes]. it like, |
| [18:37:49] | knight\zzz: | oops. |
| [18:37:57] | knight\zzz: | didnt mean to send that |
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| [18:45:00] | sphery: | knight\zzz: now you've got me wondering what it's like... |
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| [18:49:10] | kormoc: | I bet it runs really fast in a 0x0 window |
| [18:49:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: Just noticed a commercial for "The World at War," "with eyewitness footage like nothing you've seen before ... more than 30 years ago, a team of filmmakers set out to create the ultimate visual history of the war, searching archives around the world. This is what they found." It turns out it's, "preserved forever in the diamond-sharp clarity of DVD." |
| [18:50:25] | sphery: | found it interesting for 2 reasons: 1) DVD clarity is diamond-sharp and 2) seemingly 1) is true regardless of original source. :) |
| [18:50:54] | kormoc: | eyewitness footage? |
| [18:51:03] | sphery: | according to timelife... |
| [18:51:07] | JEDIDIAH_: | mebbe the commercial is 30 years old too... [snicker] |
| [18:51:16] | kormoc: | a team of filmmakers set out to create? |
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| [18:51:31] | sphery: | kormoc: now you've got me curious... I just may have to start my frontend in a 1x1 window to see what happens when I do playback... |
| [18:52:02] | JEDIDIAH_: | a 1x1 window should be like mplayer directed to null outputs... |
| [18:52:13] | kormoc: | why? it's still visable! |
| [18:52:27] | sphery: | in theory, it will still decode, but then hand off the video to the GPU for scaling |
| [18:52:51] | sphery: | unfortunately, I don't know whether that would be harder or easier for the GPU to do the scaling |
| [18:53:19] | sphery: | 0x0 should be easier (if there's any kind of cut-out-the-unimportant-work algorithms), but 1x1... |
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| [18:53:56] | sphery: | especially since with my 16:9 video, it will need to do letterboxing in a 1x1 square :) |
| [18:54:38] | sphery: | would be cool if there were a gputop |
| [18:55:33] | JEDIDIAH_: | perhaps the GPU is bright enough to do a NOP for scaling to 1x1 |
| [18:56:11] | sphery: | yeah, if I had a way to measure GPU usage, I could test that /and/ 16x9 pixel window |
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| [18:59:08] | ** iamlindoro___ wonders why the network keeps behaving this way, wonders whose job it is to keep these things working, and cries a little when he realizes it's his. ** | |
| [18:59:28] | sphery: | bad router? |
| [18:59:37] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: They just mean that they've sharpened the edges of the DVD. They're diamond sharp |
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| [19:00:01] | sphery: | oh, so, watch the video, then cut glass with the disc... got it. |
| [19:00:31] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: Naw, something went funky with the domain server this weekend-- irritatingly set itself from the PDC to standalone, and reset the domain name. Took me two hours to figure out why none of the domain resources could authenticate properly. |
| [19:00:37] | sphery: | so, still haven't bought (another) replace HDD because of the 1.5TB vs Green HDD quandry... |
| [19:01:19] | sphery: | replacement |
| [19:01:24] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: I love the Mac OS X Open Directory server stuff when it's working properly, but when it "manages" the smb.conf out of operation, I am not a happy person. |
| [19:01:50] | sphery: | good luck with it |
| [19:02:11] | iamlindoro___: | Fixed now-- was scared out of my mind that demoting/promoting it I would have to rejoin all the systems, but seem to have dodged the bullet on that. |
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| [19:03:33] | iamlindoro___: | First time in 6 or 7 months I've had the server that it's even needed "fixing," so I figure it's not a terrible track record when you're dealing with ActiveDirectory/AD Clones. |
| [19:03:53] | sphery: | true |
| [19:05:19] | iamlindoro___: | Someone in here was complaining about Agile the other day, can't remember who it was |
| [19:05:29] | iamlindoro___: | Boss just asked me to look into it |
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| [19:22:04] | gbee: | well just uploaded a heap of high res posters to tmdb, just missing 5 for the 41 videos I have |
| [19:22:32] | sphery: | how are you getting them? |
| [19:22:35] | sphery: | I'd love to help |
| [19:23:19] | gbee: | sphery: various sites and googling, http://getvideoartwork.com/index.php?action=gallery has been very good |
| [19:23:48] | sphery: | cool. I didn't know what kind of licensing issues there may be. |
| [19:23:52] | gbee: | could have uploaded a poster for Platoon, but the ones featured on the site didn't look like originals |
| [19:24:07] | sphery: | didn't know if they want, for example, scans of DVD covers or ... |
| [19:24:59] | gbee: | sphery: kinda ignoring the issue of licensing, wikipedia et al say they thing use of album covers, posters etc to represent the product is fair use |
| [19:25:17] | sphery: | cool |
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| [19:25:38] | sphery: | IMHO, it should be as the cover is really a marketing thing (and tmdb is helping them market the DVD) |
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| [19:26:08] | gbee: | so I'm chosing that interpretation, whatever the issues, the sites supplying these images are just republishing them without license anyway, so they have no course for complaint |
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| [19:26:26] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:26:58] | gbee: | sphery: they are looking for posters, 1000x1500 minimum, they may accept DVD covers separately in the future |
| [19:27:22] | sphery: | I like the idea of actually using a site where I'm not repulsed by the thought of correcting/improving the info (I don't fix info in imdb or tv.com because they won't share the info) |
| [19:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | *Minimum*? Yowch. |
| [19:27:32] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:27:37] | sphery: | that is /high/ res |
| [19:28:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: aye, it's big and I've asked them about accepting lower res versions if it's impossible to find that size, which they are ok with so long as it's the highest res you can find |
| [19:28:38] | gbee: | seems there are a few places to look though where they carry those sizes |
| [19:28:52] | sphery: | about how large (filesize) is a 1000x1500 poster? Are they using JPEG or another lossy format or using PNG? |
| [19:29:15] | gbee: | the tmdb grabber is pulling the 'mid' size versions back down – 500x750 |
| [19:29:38] | sphery: | could be easy enough for a script to download it and resize it (whether by calling ImageMagick's convert or even--with, for example, a Python script--using the scripting language/libraries itself) |
| [19:30:08] | gbee: | sphery: looks like the resized versions are all jpg, not high compression though |
| [19:30:08] | sphery: | then again, even large images would be tiny compared to video... |
| [19:31:26] | gbee: | absolute largest version I've downloaded is ~320Kb, average is ~80Kb |
| [19:31:31] | sphery: | wonder what the rules are for actor pics... wonder if they need licensing... |
| [19:31:53] | sphery: | oh, that's not bad--definitely not worth worrying about for "too much disk space" |
| [19:31:54] | gbee: | I'd look for creative commons etc versions |
| [19:32:32] | sphery: | seems that all my favorite movies are such geek favorites that they're already well covered for posters and other movie images--just missing actor images |
| [19:33:06] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: out of 70 or so movies I had to get about 20 on my own-- not too terrible given how new it is |
| [19:33:24] | gbee: | http://www.celebutopia.net/forum/showthread.p . . . 610& |
| [19:33:49] | gbee: | just a forum thread of people posting high-res posters ... |
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| [19:34:30] | gbee: | I had to add my own for 2/3s or more, guess I just have unusual tastes :) |
| [19:34:35] | sphery: | wow |
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| [19:35:59] | gbee: | www.impawards.com sometimes have high res versions, if the poster has a green tab with a + in it next to the poster then click on it, but I've not found many that way |
| [19:36:40] | sphery: | gbee: heh... "The movie posters are from a Russian site that I'm a paid member of" = "I steal my movies and have paid a Russian site to allow me to get DVD cover/disk images so I can make it look like I bought originals." |
| [19:37:31] | gbee: | heh |
| [19:37:52] | sphery: | Does mean you also get some of these, though: http://img20.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-757 . . . 22_865lo.jpg |
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| [19:38:46] | gbee: | if you are willing to pay, there is moveposterdb.com which for a tiny amount gives you credits to download stuff – it's non profit and money goes to hosting costs, personally using their stuff violates my moral code but others might see it differently |
| [19:38:59] | sphery: | Hmmm. Having an issue with Serenity: http://themoviedb.org/movie/8411 "Application error (Rails)" |
| [19:40:05] | gbee: | sphery: suggest posting to their bug tracker – http://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/projects/17 . . . org/overview |
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| [19:41:21] | sphery: | cool, thanks |
| [19:41:37] | sphery: | I'll give it a while to see if it's a temporary DB error or something |
| [19:41:41] | Chutt: | heh |
| [19:41:43] | gbee: | although 1000x1500 seems like overkill, I've got to say that I'm glad about the quality that we get as a result, it looks good |
| [19:41:49] | Chutt: | i need some programming questions for a phone screen |
| [19:42:04] | sphery: | interview? |
| [19:42:06] | Chutt: | i hate interviewing people |
| [19:42:07] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [19:42:10] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:42:11] | sphery: | fun |
| [19:43:04] | Chutt: | in 15 minutes, hah |
| [19:43:05] | Chutt: | wonderful |
| [19:43:23] | sphery: | gbee: based on the bug tracker, it seems the site creator is very responsive to requests/tickets |
| [19:44:35] | gbee: | sphery: very, he posts responses etc equally fast on the forum |
| [19:45:23] | directhex: | rails? oh deary deary me |
| [19:45:33] | sphery: | Nice. Can't wait for the "official" switch (i.e. with the released version of Myth). |
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| [19:46:54] | Chutt: | that guy that posted the long rant about html email apparently just bounced off the list |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | due to bouncing html email |
| [19:47:10] | directhex: | :) |
| [19:47:13] | Chutt: | he sent me a rather funny note about it |
| [19:47:29] | Chutt: | i'm going to reply "I've taken care of the problem – you're no longer subscribed to the list." |
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| [19:50:06] | gbee: | directhex: fair to say that I'm papering over some cracks and ignoring some nagging doubts about TMDB, but I don't see a really viable alternative and since XBMC/Media Portal are aligning themselves behind the site it has to gain momentum and some security as a result |
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| [19:51:00] | directhex: | gbee, well, my rails concerns are r.e. scalability really |
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| [19:52:08] | gbee: | agreed |
| [19:52:16] | gbee: | code is branched from OMDB, so I'd have the same concerns for that too |
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| [19:53:25] | gbee: | but code can be re-written or ported to something better, if it fails to cope under the weight of visitors/requests then I'm sure there will be no shortage of people stepping up to help do exactly that |
| [19:53:39] | directhex: | to the ASP.NETmobile! |
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| [19:56:11] | judazz: | Hi folks, I've got a FreeRunner (mobile phone from FIC, running Linux/Openmoko, with WiFi), and am searching for a cool remote app for MythTV |
| [19:56:25] | judazz: | anyone knows if such a thing already exist? |
| [19:56:50] | judazz: | I've tried mythweb and the remote there (on port 6546), and also telnet. and that works just fine |
| [19:57:27] | judazz: | but with the Freerunner, one could maybe get a preview and have "kinetic scroll" etc |
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| [19:58:06] | judazz: | I've seen mention of this at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ReMoko |
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| [20:00:21] | Chutt: | doh, time to interview this guy |
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| [20:04:24] | gbee: | kormoc: I can send you high res versions of those buttons on their own, so you don't need to cut them out of that mockup? |
| [20:04:25] | whoever: | hi all mythbackend starts but when i run mythbacend restart it fails to stop but sucessfully starts, I have tried declaring Home variable in rc.conf but i get not a valid identifier |
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| [20:05:46] | Chutt: | hrm |
| [20:05:59] | Chutt: | generally, you're supposed to answer the phone if you're interested in a job interview |
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| [20:08:09] | gbee: | oh hang on, was that my phone ringing just now? |
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| [20:08:21] | Chutt: | :p |
| [20:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha |
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| [21:02:20] | Chutt: | blargh |
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| [21:29:35] | moodboom: | anyone else see cpu shoot up to 100% for X when starting mythmusic? i'm using svn |
| [21:29:46] | moodboom: | drops back down if i exit and play music in background |
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| [21:32:10] | gbee: | I'd blame the visualisers, especially if you are using libvisual |
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| [21:38:44] | moodboom: | gbee thanks – can i turn them off somehow? i didn't see any visualizer display come up |
| [21:39:05] | iamlindoro_: | just ompile them out |
| [21:39:07] | iamlindoro_: | compile |
| [21:39:43] | moodboom: | iamlindora ok, can do – do you use them at all? |
| [21:40:06] | iamlindoro_: | nope. I think visualizations are dumb. |
| [21:40:19] | moodboom: | hehe ok, thanks |
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| [21:43:29] | gbee: | even the coverart 'visualiser' repaints several times a second for some reason |
| [21:44:14] | moodboom: | nice |
| [21:44:35] | gbee: | when I port it to mythui the coverart won't be a visualiser anymore, but a seperate entity |
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| [21:44:53] | moodboom: | this front end is nothing to write home about – sounds like time to kill off libvisual |
| [21:44:58] | moodboom: | gbee cool |
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| [21:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | libvisual is just the visualizations, not the whole frontend-- but thanks for telling us what you think about the whole frontend. |
| [21:49:08] | iamlindoro_: | and visualizations are just the floaty lights stoners like to watch when they play music. |
| [21:50:15] | moodboom: | no no no – i meant the BOX is nothing to write home about, sorry rofl |
| [21:51:29] | moodboom: | mythtv is awesome :> |
| [21:52:17] | iamlindoro_: | ok then ;) |
| [21:53:22] | DrDigital: | can anyone recommend a good outdoor antenna that supports digital |
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| [21:53:55] | DrDigital: | i lost the link someone else gave me |
| [21:54:18] | Agrajag-: | if you're talkign about dvb-t, normal antennas work fine |
| [21:55:06] | DrDigital: | i found this one, http://www.summitsource.com/product_info.php? . . . ucts_id=6320 |
| [21:55:31] | DrDigital: | i just wanting to make sure i get a decent antenna thats going to give max results, and buy a rotor if i have to |
| [21:56:15] | iamlindoro_: | You need to figure out where your transmitters are and determine whether you need omnidirectional or directional, then go with a known brand like Terk or similar |
| [21:56:32] | iamlindoro_: | Distance to the transmitters will also determine size and configuration of your antenna. |
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| [21:56:45] | iamlindoro_: | So, in short, time to start reading. |
| [21:56:57] | DrDigital: | http://www.anti-mhz.com/AntennaWeb.pdf thats the list for the area |
| [21:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | and if you're in the US, antennaweb.org |
| [21:57:43] | iamlindoro_: | So they're all more or less in the same direction, you likely want a directional, and something small to medium will be fine for 12 miles. |
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| [22:04:13] | DrDigital: | no way to attempt to get the 30–50 mile away stations ? |
| [22:04:52] | iamlindoro_: | You can attempt, but not with the same antenna, you'd need to build an array |
| [22:05:09] | iamlindoro_: | The 30–50s will need a strong, large, amplified directional |
| [22:05:26] | iamlindoro_: | which will not be pointed even remotely at your locals |
| [22:05:26] | DrDigital: | and a rotor to spin them into the direction |
| [22:05:45] | iamlindoro_: | Waste of time IMO |
| [22:05:53] | iamlindoro_: | Just get the locals the others are just repeats from other markets. |
| [22:06:23] | DrDigital: | what antenna would youm buy? |
| [22:06:47] | DrDigital: | i keep looking and finding multi directional or uni, or bi not just directional |
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| [22:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | unidirectional *is* directional |
| [22:07:05] | kormoc: | Hrm |
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| [22:07:25] | kormoc: | I'm amused that Dr Digital doesn't know much about Digital broadcasts... |
| [22:07:39] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I was leaving that unsaid (but certainly thought) |
| [22:07:55] | kormoc: | I guess the doctorate is honorary :P |
| [22:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | Like Dr. Pepper |
| [22:08:13] | DrDigital: | no, i dont know much about antennas, i was a contractor, did cable and satellite installation, not antennas |
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| [22:09:40] | iamlindoro_: | Just get a medium unidirectional antenna from any reputable company, and mount it in a fixed position approximately northwest-facing. You'll be fine. |
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| [22:10:25] | iamlindoro_: | No need for rotors, and trying to get channels that are the same channels from other markets, especially at the 50 mile range, is a waste of time. |
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| [22:12:20] | DrDigital: | http://www.nulime.com/Antennas-Direct-91XG-Un . . . enna/p233956 that be a good one? |
| [22:13:30] | iamlindoro_: | Not familiar with the manufacturer, but It looks like it would do the job fine. At 12 miles you could build one out of some old coat hangers and get decent reception. |
| [22:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | eg http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/ |
| [22:14:35] | DrDigital: | other sites show that its a long range antenna for 50–70+ miles |
| [22:15:12] | iamlindoro_: | Those estimates are WAY overly optimistic, and probably presume a lot of untrue things about the terrain for most people. |
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| [22:15:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | DrDigital: I have a '75 mile" UHF antenna from Radio Shack. It works well from 26 miles... I've even used it at about 50 miles, but spotty at 50... |
| [22:16:20] | DrDigital: | this isnt for me, or id attempt the coat hanger one |
| [22:16:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | DrDigital: Note that us HD broadcasts are all (or mostly?) UHF now, but some are swapping to VHF after February... |
| [22:16:40] | iamlindoro_: | The coathanger one is a *good* antenna |
| [22:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | very good, even |
| [22:16:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | DrDigital: I haven't built one yet, but have the parts to make one or two... ;-) |
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| [22:17:22] | iamlindoro_: | and at 12 miles... you could run a wire in teh air and it'd probably work |
| [22:17:46] | DrDigital: | and its going into a place that tells you that you have to cut your grass, move that trash can and wash your car type place, i could just picture putting that up and being told to take it down |
| [22:17:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | DrDigital: I get 20+ channels (including sub-channels) pointing at Boston – about 26 miles from me. |
| [22:18:17] | iamlindoro_: | As long as it's on your property/deck, they can't legally tell you to take a damn thing down |
| [22:18:18] | DrDigital: | well i have regular rabit ear like antennas on the 2 tvs now, and they dont work to well |
| [22:18:40] | iamlindoro_: | even places whose agreements forbid it-- those prohibitions are actually illegal. |
| [22:19:05] | iamlindoro_: | Like places that say you can't put a dish on your deck. Safe to tell them to screw off, the FCC has specific rules that say they can't stop you. |
| [22:19:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | DrDigital: So get a 200' telescoping tower like my buddy has for his Ham Radio antenna... ;-) |
| [22:20:27] | judazz: | Hi folks, if I would like to make i visual for mythmusic that simply shuts off the monitor (dpms off, xset dpms force off, or whatever) – where shold I start to look? |
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| [22:20:51] | judazz: | is it possible to make such a "libvisual" as a shell script? |
| [22:21:05] | JoeBorn: | does mythtv front end have upnp browsing built in? |
| [22:21:19] | iamlindoro_: | no, myth has no upnp client |
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| [22:21:53] | iamlindoro_: | and no, you can't launch your own visualization scripts, you'd need to code one yourself. |
| [22:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JoeBorn: No. The frontend only uses UPnP for discovery of the backend. The backend has a basic UPnP server though. |
| [22:22:16] | judazz: | ok, thanks |
| [22:23:08] | ** jams can't decide is the nokia n8100 is worth purchasing. ** | |
| [22:23:12] | Gumby`: | my backends keep crashing and only leaving a segfault message in syslog. How does one go about debugging this? |
| [22:23:28] | judazz: | Gumby – running 64 bit? |
| [22:23:47] | iamlindoro_: | build with the debug symbols, and run mythbackend in gdb, then submit a backtrace with a bug |
| [22:23:54] | JoeBorn: | J-e-f-f-A|work: so the front end can't browse other upnp sources? |
| [22:24:00] | iamlindoro_: | judazz: there's nothing about 64 bit myth that would make it crash. |
| [22:24:01] | JoeBorn: | i have to use djmount or something? |
| [22:24:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | judazz: But if you enable your monitor's power management (dpms), I believe it will go to sleep on the music screen if no buttons/remote buttons are pressed. (It does for the menus, and is automatically disabled when playing video) |
| [22:24:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JoeBorn: Right. |
| [22:24:43] | JoeBorn: | oh. ok, J-e-f-f-A|work thanks! |
| [22:24:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JoeBorn: to view videos on a network share, you'd have to add them to MythVideo, and make sure the frontend can access the same directory tree. |
| [22:24:58] | judazz: | When in a menu dpms kicks in, but not in mythmusic |
| [22:25:08] | Gumby`: | judazz: no, just 32bit |
| [22:25:11] | judazz: | not even when I've pressed "5" to get a black screen |
| [22:26:23] | judazz: | Gumby – okay, I'm running 64bit and had some issues, but they're mainly gone (and not related to the backend, but mythtv-setup and mythfrontend) |
| [22:26:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | judazz: ... Well, perhaps that should be an option somewhere... ;-) (That doesn't currently exist seems like...) I'd open a ticket for a new feature to enable (or not disable) DPMS on MythMusic... |
| [22:27:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | judazz: I've been running 64-bit for over a year now – no issues here. Compiled from source for 0.21-fixes... |
| [22:27:30] | judazz: | ok, maybe I'll open a ticket :) |
| [22:27:45] | judazz: | I'm running Fedora 9 with rpms from rpmfusion |
| [22:27:50] | judazz: | which is 0.21-fixes |
| [22:28:05] | judazz: | had some issues when I did things I wasn't supposed to do in mythtv-setup |
| [22:28:15] | judazz: | such as searching for channels on composite input... |
| [22:28:40] | judazz: | anyway – after a few days of trying, I figured it out (I hope) |
| [22:29:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | judazz: I doubt a "MythMusic" "Enable DPMS" option would make it into 0.21-fixes — it might make it into 0.22 if somebody codes it. ;-) |
| [22:29:41] | judazz: | Too bad it isn't possible to code it as a visual plugin |
| [22:30:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work wraps up and heads out for the day... ;-) Yahoo! ** | |
| [22:34:01] | kormoc: | what in god's name is a visual plugin? |
| [22:34:34] | kormoc: | judazz, if you open a ticket for a feature request without a patch, it'll be closed as 'feature request without patch' |
| [22:35:44] | moodboom: | gbee iamlindoro_ hey look at that, set "visual=no" in configure, and no more pegged CPU usage – THANKS guys, you're good :> |
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| [22:38:13] | moodboom: | l8r |
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| [22:41:05] | gbee: | just caught an ad for a new LG phone, now after doing those icons for kormoc I know the iPhone icons pretty well and the ones used by LG were complete rip-offs |
| [22:41:19] | kormoc: | Ha, slick |
| [22:42:23] | gbee: | not worried about getting into trouble with Apple if LG are doing it too ;) |
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| [22:43:24] | kormoc: | I really hope Apple wouldn't mind a web app holding to the look and feel, given it can only drive sales :) |
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| [22:43:45] | gbee: | kormoc: as you're here, I'll send you the SVG for those icons, or provide png exports of individual buttons if you'd prefer, noticed that you'd cut them out of the mockup for your initial commit |
| [22:44:00] | iamlindoro_: | They're the ones who published all sorts of data about writing web apps for the iPhone and preserving look and feel, they'd lose any case in a heartbeat |
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| [23:48:36] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, I must admit I love the "How does Mythcommflag work" guy. I'm always wondering how many times he'll ask the same question and get told off every time. |
| [23:53:14] | dustybin: | who writes these silly articles? http://jamus.dannz.net.nz/technology/laptophometheatre.htm |
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| [23:54:31] | iamlindoro__: | It's a blog. So... "whomever's blog it is." |
| [23:55:05] | dustybin: | blog'n 'eck |
| [23:57:00] | iamlindoro__: | I will however agree that that is a pretty damn stupid blog post. |
| [23:57:33] | iamlindoro__: | Why buy a few hundred dollars in speakers what you can do with $12,000 in crappy tinny laptop speakers? |
| [23:58:00] | iamlindoro__: | Looks like he's 20, maybe he'll grow out of it. |
| [23:59:01] | dustybin: | in tiny small print at the bottom, it says: article posted by clever |
| [23:59:33] | iamlindoro__: | I... think you just said something funny. That explains my head exploding |
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