Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Leebier:

now, just to figure out why i'm now only capturing static :)

[00:00:17]

d0netsFN:

like i couldnt get it to accept my streamed music from jinzora (.ask, m3u, pls, etc...)

[00:00:27]

d0netsFN:

asx*

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knightrage:

ok guys. so i have two different sources, one for analog and one for digital dvb. how do i switch between the two when in the frontend, watching livetv?

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ajhtwolf:

hey i tried to setup my mythfrontend to connect to a remote backend and now mythfronent wont even start

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ajhtwolf:

I get to 2008-11–22 17:01:05.861 New DB connection, total: 1 and then it hangs

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wagnerrp:

ajhtwolf: is the backend set up to accept network connections? is the database?

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d0netsFN:

does this pvr 150 come with an irblaster?

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wagnerrp:

d0netsFN: some versions, yes

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ajhtwolf:

wagnerrp, I think that i configured it correctly to accept network connections

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ajhtwolf:

wagnerrp, but this is the first time ive done this

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wagnerrp:

some distros limit mysql to the loopback interface

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andreax1:

knightrage: I use the menu thats coming up in livetv when pressing m, there is a entry called switch input or like that...

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wagnerrp:

you will have to grant permission inside mysql to the remote IP

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d0netsFN:

wagnerrp i dont see it in any that im finding

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wagnerrp:

you will also have to set a real backend ip (rather than 127.0.0.1) in mythtv-setup

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ajhtwolf:

wagnerrp, that i did do, i set it to the networks local ip.

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ajhtwolf:

wagnerrp, to the machines local ip on the network* i mean

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ajhtwolf:

wagnerrp, but right now i cant change anything on the frontend because it hangs whenever trying to launhc it

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den0ts|G1:

lame my client quit. what was up with that "non fm wb" ?

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den0ts|G1:

i figure wb means white box. but does non fm mean it wont do fm radio?

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Gumby:

does anyone know where mythtv stores the transponder info for which satellites to scan?

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z4chh:

anyone know of a great deal for a tv card?

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jduggan:

ebay

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jduggan:

nova-s 15quid

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jduggan:

:P

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z4chh:

?

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z4chh:

nova-s?

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Gumby:

nova-s have poor switching

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z4chh:

i need to find a tv card linux supported, around $50, and best qualitity for the price :\

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Gumby:

I havnt used a cable tuner in awhile but try to find a pvr x50

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Gumby:

should be able to find a 150 for $50

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Gumby:

probably not retail though

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z4chh:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Hauppauge-WinTV-TV-Tu . . . 1|240%3A1318

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: did you see http://www.tv.com/story/11933.html?tag=show;latest_news;title;4

[03:09:30]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: and nice work on the res patch

[03:09:38]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, Yes, they're douchebags

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sphery:

Eli Stone, too

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, Thanks! Got help from many sources on it, I think it will allow some fun stuff

[03:10:46]

sphery:

Yeah, saw the discussions, but you did start the ball rolling (all from a simple suggestion by gbee).

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z4chh:

anyone have a pvr x50?

[03:11:00]

z4chh:

or use..

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, Didn't end up too far off the mark with the patch too, so that's a nice feeling

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iamlindoro__:

Never watch Eli Stone

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iamlindoro__:

watched

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sphery:

yeah, I saw that it was close

[03:13:44]

sphery:

Eli Stone was good. In some ways reminiscent of Wonderfalls (which may be why people were afraid to like it--the theory was that people were afraid to like Wonder because they weren't sure they should be enjoying a show about a girl who may be suffering from mental illness)

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iamlindoro__:

Wonderfalls was good and Fox... Foxed it.

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sphery:

yeah, just like their about to do with Jos... nvm

[03:15:17]

sphery:

s/their/they're/

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sphery:

(can't spell when I have a cold)

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iamlindoro__:

STOP RIGHT THERE

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iamlindoro__:

Must have hope

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sphery:

I knew you'd get the reference. :)

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iamlindoro__:

I cannot handle another 13 episodes of something amazing

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iamlindoro__:

But yay, we get a season two of Knight Rider

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sphery:

Is that good?

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sphery:

I watched the movie and decided not to record the series because of it.

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sphery:

(I'm thinking that was sarcasm, but I'm not thinking super clearly, so I'm not sure.)

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iamlindoro__:

No. I was being facetious

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sphery:

cool

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z4chh:

anyone have a pvr-150?

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jams:

sphery- sadly more people did make that decision about knight rider.

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iamlindoro__:

z4chh, Many people. Please don't repeat yourself quite so often in here. Yes, they are common, and yes, well liked.

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sphery:

jams: you mean because they're renewing it?

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jams:

"I watched the movie and decided not to record the series because of it."

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jams:

that show is awful

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iamlindoro__:

Allegedly they're going to retool and make it "more realistic"

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iamlindoro__:

yeah. They're going to make a show about David Hasselhoff's son with a talking car.... more realistic.

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z4chh:

iamlindoro_, obviously my repeat served its purpose as it answered my question...thaks >.<

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sphery:

is the actor really DH's son?

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jams:

coming next season "csi knight rider"

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, No, the character is

[03:22:02]

sphery:

knight rider: special victims unit

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jams:

hehe thats even better

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: oh... not thining clearly

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iamlindoro__:

z4chh, If you want to go on getting answers around here, you'll use what passes for courtesy in IRC. And that includes not repeating yourself. It was a friendly warning/reminder.

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: so, the HDD I moved from my slave backend to my main desktop is failing... Making clicking noises and showing SMART errors (unreadable sectors, et al)

[03:24:18]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, Rhyme with "pee-gate?"

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** sphery goes to look **

[03:25:12]

sphery:

No. DeathStar (but a Hitachi one)

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, heh. Anyway, I empathize

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z4chh:

iamlindoro_, you just repeated yourself in restating the message "don't repeat yourself" hehe..i wasn't trying to be sarcastic when i said thanks o.O

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: So, 160GB in main desktop fails. Move a 750GB from my slave backend to frontend to put the frontend's 200GB in the main desktop and the 750GB fails during the move. Move the 300GB root of my slave to the frontend (so I can move the frontend's 200GB to the desktop) and the 200GB dies.

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sphery:

(plus, I move a 750GB from the master backend to the slave and put a 1.5TB in both the master and slave backend--lots of HDD shuffling)

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sphery:

now I'm starting to wonder how I could be causing all these HDD failures

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, I've seen more drives fail in the last year than in the two decades before combined

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sphery:

well, that's good (and bad) to hear

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iamlindoro__:

I think the capacity is inversely proportional to the reliability

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sphery:

at least it may mean I'm not to blame.

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, *totally* anecdotal, but switching the WD green drives in I am batting 1000

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sphery:

yeah, I remembered your saying that.

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iamlindoro__:

whereas almost every single one of my Seagate drives has gone out within months if not weeks

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sphery:

That's the only reason I haven't bought another 1.5TB...

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sphery:

Trying to decide

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sphery:

(I'm also running out of small, but not tiny, HDD's to roll down to my desktop.)

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sphery:

now my slave has a 750GB with its 16GB root partition

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iamlindoro__:

I have a couple nice 74 GBs I'm using

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sphery:

so the only one left is the 320GB with my master's 16GB root partition

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sphery:

oh, and of course, the pile of 13.6GB's that just won't die

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I'm telling you, inversely proportional

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sphery:

yeah, I think you're right.

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sphery:

OK, so thanks for listening to me and reassuring me about my HDD's.

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iamlindoro__:

Certainly (although I'm not sure I offered much reassurance)

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sphery:

Now, one last thing... I should probably know what this means since I wrote the backup stuff, but what did he mean by, "The second patch misses the DB backup"?

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iamlindoro__:

dbcheck.cpp, not backup

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iamlindoro__:

Forgot to include the schema upgrade in the second version of the patch

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sphery:

oh... cool. I thought my brain was boiling or something because I couldn't think of any place that the backup code would need to know about a change to recorded (or recordedmarkup)

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: well, anyway, thanks for the work on the res patch. I've been wanting that in there for about 2 years, now. :)

[03:39:13]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, Thanks for the thanks! I look forward to getting it added to the Watch Recordings Screen

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iamlindoro__:

sounds like gbee is amenable

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sphery:

Well, Dirty Sexy Money is (all episodes and the rule). That's one I'm happy about because I don't think I would have enjoyed watching it (which is why I never started).

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sphery:

Yeah, a lot of people will love to see the res in there.

[03:41:28]

sphery:

I think many will be disappointed to find it's kind of static on a channel, but... :)

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iamlindoro__:

will also simplify troubleshooting in a few ways, too, although that's secondary

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sphery:

missed a "gone" up there...

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sphery:

Yeah, I think it will be great for troubleshooting.

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sphery:

Hmmm... Supernatural, T: TSCC, Heroes, or Fringe... Tough decision

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iamlindoro__:

Which to start watching, or which to watch tonight?

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sphery:

to watch tonight

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, I don't watch the first and I'm week behind on the others

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sphery:

I've kept up with all of them--just have one episode of each

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sphery:

How can you not watch Supernatural...

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sphery:

It's one of the best shows on TV

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sphery:

(plus they have great soundtracks)

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** jams has never watched it **

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jams:

maybe i should

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sphery:

should watch in order if you start, though

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jams:

well thats going to be tough

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sphery:

though the first season wasn't as serial as the rest, it still builds on things

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sphery:

now it's very much serial

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iamlindoro__:

Looked like Smallville without superman to me

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iamlindoro__:

(another show I don't watch)

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sphery:

Heh... I'm just going through seasons 1–7 of Smallville (and just started recording season 8 of it)

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sphery:

Finished 3 seasons so far.

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sphery:

(DVD's are my travel TV)

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sphery:

don't want too much heat strain on the laptop

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sphery:

Well, you guys convinced me to watch Supernatural. Thanks for the help. :)

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iamlindoro__:

I live to serve

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Gumby:

I've got 3 dvb tuners on one of my mythboxes and the DB supports this however mythfrontend keeps showing 4 tuners. Anyone have any idea why this might be?

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iamlindoro__:

Because of multirec (and, if fact, if you had set them up right, you should see 6)

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iamlindoro__:

in fact

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Gumby:

I set each card to only tune 1 channels

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Chutt:

what's a decent upnp browser?

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Gumby:

channel

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Chutt:

something simple and small

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iamlindoro__:

djmount would probably fit the bill for simple/small

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iamlindoro__:

well, it's not so much a browser

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Chutt:

looking for a little gui browser

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wagnerrp:

something you run on your computer? or some piece of hardware?

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Gumby:

iamlindoro_: any idea which table the multirec options are in?

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Chutt:

wagnerrp, i'm trying to debug why my ps3 and my wife's vista laptop no longer see any recordings

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iamlindoro__:

Gumby, just go back into mythtv-setup and edit each tuner and enter the "recording options" screen

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sphery:

Gumby: check mythtv-setup, and if you still can't figure out why you have more than you expect, you can always reset: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Gumby:

iamlindoro_: I already have. each says "1"

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Gumby:

just double checked as well

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iamlindoro__:

as sphery says, you should reset, then

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Chutt:

hrm

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Chutt:

gupnp-tools

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iamlindoro__:

probably ended up with an "orphan"

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt see recordings... do you still get mythmusic or mythvideo?

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Chutt:

just recordings

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sphery:

isn't there a new setting that specifies what you see in UPnP (since XBox 360 doesn't do recordings)?

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wagnerrp:

well it seems one of my friends is pissed off at me

[03:59:42]

wagnerrp:

i let him borrow my copy of Evil Genius

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wagnerrp:

he is unable to stop playing

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sphery:

Hmmm... Guess not.

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iamlindoro__:

Holy cow, that's the longest post I've ever seen on the users list

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iamlindoro__:

And in that STUPID thread no less

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janneg:

aspect ratio infos for H264 recordings, untested http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . _aspect.diff

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Gumby:

for h264 playback do I need to compile the latest ffmpeg svn or do I need to do something with mplayer? I have been reading conflicting forum threads

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iamlindoro__:

for myth? Myth doesn't use mplayer and doesn't rely on external ffmpeg, so neither.

[04:13:52]

iamlindoro__:

.21-fixes has h.264 support, although trunk's is substantially improved

[04:14:05]

Gumby:

hrm. when I try to play h264 content I get [h264 @ 0xb73d8ba8]Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not implemented on the frontend and its quite choppy

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wagnerrp:

first post to -users that i can find, and she made it a damned essay

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janneg:

0.21-fixes should be allmost on par with trunk

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: just read that post, too (OK, I started to read it, but on page 113, I decided to just skim the rest)

[04:14:34]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, ahahahahhhaa

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janneg:

in regard of h264 playback

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iamlindoro__:

janneg, ah, yeah, forgot about the backport

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iamlindoro__:

Gumby, You need to make sure you have the newest -fixes

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iamlindoro__:

sounds like your is pretty out of date, that backport happened a few months ago I think

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Gumby:

0.21.0+fixes16838 thats my current version

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Gumby:

I compiled from ubuntus source

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iamlindoro__:

too old

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Gumby:

ok, cool. I'll look into that then

[04:16:10]

Gumby:

thank you

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sphery:

for reference, the most current would be 19149, but Ubuntu won't have that. It should still be in the high 18000's (or low 19000's), though

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iamlindoro__:

It's about 150 revisions to -fixes ago AFAICT

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iamlindoro__:

so you're more or less missing 150 fixes, including the h264.c improvement

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janneg:

the ubuntu package might have the h264 backport as patch though

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Gumby:

changelog only has this in it regarding h264 "Build with unadvertised libx264 support."

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, unadvertised because it's not from myth's configure

[04:20:31]

iamlindoro__:

and doesn't do anything even if you do

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janneg:

lol, that is completely useless

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janneg:

s/unadvertised/fucking useless only bloating the dependecies/

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janneg:

hah, my spam filter classified that users email as possible spam

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iamlindoro__:

Newest myth in Ubuntu is 18722

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iamlindoro__:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source . . . 722-0ubuntu1

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janneg:

X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.499956, version=1.1.5

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: the guy who use to post the largest was f-myth-users@media.mit.edu

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GreyFoxx:

That use to be painful

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GreyFoxx:

thankfully he doiesn't post so much now

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GreyFoxx:

and refused to use standard quoting "_

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Heh, not that I don't sometimes agree with the sentiment ;)

[04:24:15]

** sphery remembers a certain post by bjm relating to f-myth-users **

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/261367#261367

[04:25:13]

sphery:

So, I just figured out the name on his e-mail address.

[04:25:27]

sphery:

Can't believe I never noticed that before.

[04:25:43]

wagnerrp:

ding ding ding!

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sphery:

yeah, I like living my naive life in my nice little world

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iamlindoro__:

Not sure I get it-- who's, now?

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sphery:

f-myth-users

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my naivety went down the first time someone linked me to tubgirl

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sphery:

thanks for the warning--I won't google it :)

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wagnerrp:

although i will admit that i realized for the first time a few days ago that 'goatse.cx' was supposed to be a reference to 'goatsex'

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wagnerrp:

although that site has been shutdown for over 4 years now i think

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Gumby:

haha, I went to goatse.cx just now. GUMBY IS THERE!!!

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wagnerrp:

the image used to be rather.... more disturbing

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Gumby:

lol, yes

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wagnerrp:

but it never compared to some other site that opened 4500 popup windows with said disturbing image

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Gumby:

the image there now could remind a person of what used to be there had they seen it

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

iamlindoro_: in regards to h264, would I have to update all my boxes or just my frontend

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wagnerrp:

probably just the frontend

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Gumby:

I guess I could start there and keep going once done

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wagnerrp:

i doubt there were sufficient differences between different revisions of .21-fixes to necessitate a full upgrade

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Gumby:

the decision is to jump up to the latest ubuntu or build from source

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Chutt:

could people that use upnp (and trunk) please try after 19150 and let me know if anything's broken?

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iamlindoro__:

Chutt, Seems to work okay with the PS3, but I'll admit to not being a frequent uPnP user so I might not notice small breakages

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Chutt:

i couldn't browse recordings at all on the ps3 before

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tenchi21:

Hi

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tenchi21:

what would be the best way to feed multiple composite or component video out from a MythTV box?

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wagnerrp:

multiple computers, one for each output

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tenchi21:

I was looking to just have a single myth box

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tenchi21:

to feed around 6 displays

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wagnerrp:

the best you can do is one display per video card

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wagnerrp:

just get a nice big expensive SLI board, 3–4 pcie x16 slots

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wagnerrp:

with a bunch of cheap nvidia 8-series cards

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wagnerrp:

one X-server, one output per card

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issue will be using LIRC

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wagnerrp:

all copies of the frontend will use all remotes

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clever:

mythfrontend uses a static unix socket path

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clever:

i couldnt find a way to change it

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clever:

so i just switched my 2 lircd's so the receiving one was lirc0

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tenchi21:

wagnerrp, yeah I plan to mainly use the system for playing random video trailers so the other 5 displays are just smaller secondary displays. while the main one will be the one I use for selecting videos or starting the shuffle for the day

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clever:

but using manu receivers will be a problem

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wagnerrp:

so you just want video playback? not recording?

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tenchi21:

wagnerrp, yeah on the 5 secondary displays

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wagnerrp:

so just use a video player

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wagnerrp:

mplayer, xine, vlc, something like that

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tenchi21:

right I could do that but I was looking to have a mythtv setup for a nice GUI to display everything. I know that some places like BestBuy take their main signal source and use video splitters to distribute the signal to all thier displays

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tenchi21:

so I was looking to do something similar but using mythtv for my main signal source

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wagnerrp:

unless youre going to record something, mythtv isnt really ideal

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tenchi21:

wagnerrp, I do plan to record stuff from my OTA Antenna but thats mainly just going to be for like 2 hours day except saturdays which will be around 4 hours

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tenchi21:

and I don't think I'll be playing that back on all displays

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tenchi21:

mainly I'm going to be playing back pre-recorded vdeos of movies & video game trailers from internal storage on the myth box

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dacs:

howdy

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dacs:

i need help installing mythTv on Debian etch

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jhulst:

dacs: What's the problem?

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dacs:

jhulst: i don't know how

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jhulst:

dacs: "mythTv on Debian etch," First result on google. I'm happy to help if you have specific questions, but find a good howto and work through that first

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dacs:

jhulst: the only thing i found was this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid

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jhulst:

dacs: Very first result on google, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

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NineTeen67Comet:

Good evening, I'm on the lookout for a reliable plug and play "lol" remote for my media computers (remote to mean what ever I need to use a remote with the computer) .. can anyone point me in a good direction? I've rtfm and looked at the hardware listings; I need better direction than that offers (what to look for basically)

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dacs:

NineTeen67Comet: hauppauge

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Dibblah:

NineTeen67Comet: MCE USB2.

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cheeps:

Im having trouble with lirc – hauppauge hvr-1110, ubuntu 8.10 and 2.6.27-8-generic kernel. When i try starting lirc with /etc/init.d/lirc start it gives me: "Unable to load LIRC kernel modules.". checked dmesg and saw now errors with lirc, only thing there was "lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61"

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d0netsFN:

ok so one last comfirmation

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d0netsFN:

i should get the pvr 150 mce

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d0netsFN:

?

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flohack:

Is someone else experiencing problem with the epgdata.com service?

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flohack:

Sometimes it delivers zip packages for download, but a few seconds later it returns 'Paket nicht vorhanden\nFile not found'

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: so... i just looked back at the channel log to see conext of your question, and you really just came out of the blue with that

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mkrufky:

so, d0netsFN, pvr150 mce is good if you only have access to analog tv and you need an ir receiver / blaster ... id assume ur going to record svideo / composite from a STB

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flohack:

Is someone using tv_grab_eu_epgdata ?

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d0netsFN:

yea i was talkin to folks yesterday or the day before

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d0netsFN:

and you are correct

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d0netsFN:

direct tv

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

so yeah pvr150 is a good card for that

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d0netsFN:

what would i need if i were to use an HD cable box?

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mkrufky:

HD-PVR

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d0netsFN:

is that the home run thing?

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mkrufky:

made by the same company

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mkrufky:

no

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d0netsFN:

or is that the little cube lookin thing

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mkrufky:

are you asking for a digital tuner or something that will record whatever the HD cablebox has on, just like how the pvr150 will record from directtv ?

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d0netsFN:

oh yes i looked at that

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d0netsFN:

yea

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d0netsFN:

and then stream it

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d0netsFN:

but thatd be the PC i guess

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mkrufky:

that was a (a or b) question

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mkrufky:

not "yes" :-P

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d0netsFN:

oh

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d0netsFN:

well yes i would like to record tv

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d0netsFN:

does it also give me access to teh guide and such remotely?

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iamlindoro__:

oof

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mkrufky:

i mean... i have 5 digital tuners in my pc but i can only use them to record the free stuff on cable and in the air... i cant use them for HBO and stuff

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mkrufky:

(he said oof! )

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mkrufky:

but there is also HD-PVR that records just like the pvr150 does, but its all HD quality

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iamlindoro__:

I don't even know where to begin untangling the misunderstandings you have about how Myth works

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d0netsFN:

but will it work with analogue?

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iamlindoro__:

You really ought to learn what each piece of hardware does before you mash them together and expect it to be a DVR

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d0netsFN:

yea i know im newb

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: no, you cant use the guide from the stb ... myth has its own guide and UI

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d0netsFN:

im trying

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d0netsFN:

thats why im here

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: thats ok

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d0netsFN:

its something ive been wanting to do for a long time

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d0netsFN:

thats what i ment mkrufky

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: iamlindoro__ is right though.. maybe you might want to read the wiki a little to get a better idea about what myth does

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d0netsFN:

",yth has its own guide and UI"

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mkrufky:

myth is used mostly for recording shows ... you avoid the guide and UI from the stb entirely

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d0netsFN:

right i knew that

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d0netsFN:

but it streams too right?

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jm|laptop:

split then amplify or amplify then split?

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d0netsFN:

im wanting to possibly help get a client working for the g1

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d0netsFN:

to stream to

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

i know myth can do that over mythweb, but i dont know how well its working

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mkrufky:

i think the new myth in trunk does the streaming stuff better, but i wouldnt really know for sure — i havent tried

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mkrufky:

that new version of myth will be released [when it is ready]

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d0netsFN:

trunk as in its beta and i gotta build it eh

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d0netsFN:

?

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d0netsFN:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

G1 Androiud Phone, or Asus G1?

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d0netsFN:

android phone

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mkrufky:

dont bother building trunk — you should play with the latest release first

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iamlindoro__:

If phone, better forget about that

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d0netsFN:

why iamlindoro_?

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iamlindoro__:

Not even close to adequate horsepower

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d0netsFN:

umm why not? phones have been streaming live tv for a while now

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d0netsFN:

they work fine with orb etc...

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mkrufky:

the phone isnt the problem

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iamlindoro__:

*sigh*

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d0netsFN:

its the lake of streaming functionality right now

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iamlindoro__:

OK, your phone will work great. Buy five immediately.

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d0netsFN:

lack*

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: i think he's trying to say the feature isnt quite ready yet

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d0netsFN:

hence why i said im trying to help get a streaming client going

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mkrufky:

d0netsFN: you can just write the missing code in myth to make it all work O:-)

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iamlindoro__:

I love it when people who don't even know which capture card to buy tell me how their phones will make great frontends

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mkrufky:

he didnt say frontend, iamlindoro__

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d0netsFN:

i dont think its a problem with myth, the code is missing in androi

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d0netsFN:

d

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iamlindoro__:

and then argue with me when I tell them they're wrong

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: im sure it CAN work... just doesnt yet.... streaming via mythweb

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d0netsFN:

um.... i said a client

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Gumby:

hi all. I am trying to create a custom power search based on two things, program.category and channel name however channel name is in the table channel and not in program. Is this possible?

[16:38:44]

flohack:

Can someone tell me how to convince mythtv to use T9 input (using the remote) when searching for a song using incremental search in myth music?

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d0netsFN:

something to stream to

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Mythweb's streaming work's fine

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: / d0netsFNyou'd probably need one of the better cel phone data plans

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d0netsFN:

its fully capable of doing that and i dont need to know about the cards to know that

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iamlindoro__:

works

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: so its not impossible, then... a phone can view mythweb

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d0netsFN:

i have 3g

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d0netsFN:

i have the data plan they give me

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Well, was presuming he meant "as a frontend"

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d0netsFN:

and orb used to stream via edge just fine

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mkrufky:

personally, i would never have my mythweb exposed to the world like that, tho

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mkrufky:

and iamlindoro__, he just said "streaming"

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mkrufky:

he just wants to do something like slingbox

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d0netsFN:

exactly

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mkrufky:

orb is similar to slingbox i think

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d0netsFN:

like slingbox and orb

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d0netsFN:

yea but more functionality

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d0netsFN:

it streams and hosts all your media

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iamlindoro__:

Hope you don't want Live TV, then

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d0netsFN:

music, pics, etc..

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mkrufky:

anyway, bottom line: d0netsFN ... *I* think it can be done, but i havent tried it

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d0netsFN:

and you can create links to your content to share with folks

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mkrufky:

yeah, no way ... live tv would probably not work

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d0netsFN:

why not

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d0netsFN:

it worked with orb

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mkrufky:

yeah they're different software packages

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d0netsFN:

it works with iphone

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d0netsFN:

its going to take a client though, as i said

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d0netsFN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-l6tMWlzYY

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flohack:

Can someone tell me how to convince mythtv to use T9 input (using the remote) when searching for a song using incremental search in myth music?

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mkrufky:

is that even a feature of myth? t9 input?

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen it in there, no idea if it still exists or how to bring it about

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flohack:

mkrufky: Hmmm...I mean pressing 2 twice will give you b...isn't that called T9

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flohack:

mkrufky: It is active when inputting the title for a manual recording schedule

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mkrufky:

flohack: i had t9 on my older cell phones... i just never heard of mythtv supporting that as a feature....

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flohack:

GreyFoxx: How are you writing letters using your remote?

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d0netsFN:

i wanna write a client for myth that also lets me use my 1 as a remote

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d0netsFN:

so myth streams music too?

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flohack:

mkrufky: Are you using your remote for inputting text?

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mkrufky:

nope

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** mkrufky was too lazy to even set up a remote **

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mkrufky:

my "mythbuntu" works with the remote out of the box, but all my other systems have "make IR work" on a to-do list that will never be done

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flohack:

:-)

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flohack:

Does anybody use their remote for inputting text?

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jm|laptop:

cheap coax == false economy :(

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larstr:

jm|laptop: did you fix your issues?

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d0netsFN:

anyone know who peter schiff is?

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jm|laptop:

larstr: not entirely

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jm|laptop:

larstr: I found some guys website who had some certain settings for his cards, I have copied them and only lose channels once a week now

[16:50:07]

jm|laptop:

not every day

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d0netsFN:

the "e" word reminded me of him

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flohack:

Here is a reference for the letter input functionality: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/358324

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d0netsFN:

he predicted exactly what is happening in the economy right now

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d0netsFN:

in 206

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d0netsFN:

2006

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jm|laptop:

today I bought a second identical tuner card so I'm having faith in the linuxtv devs

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d0netsFN:

he later went on to be ron pauls economic advisor

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mkrufky:

jm|laptop: which card?

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larstr:

jm|laptop: nice.. did you note the url to that page for those settings?

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jm|laptop:

Hauppauge Nova 500 T

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jm|laptop:

larstr: I'm looking for you, now :)

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mkrufky:

ah, cool... is that the new rev?

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larstr:

jm|laptop: I got my card yesterday

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jm|laptop:

mkrufky: not sure :/

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mkrufky:

its probably the new rev

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jm|laptop:

CIB5?

[16:52:47]

mkrufky:

yes, that means rev 3

[16:52:54]

mkrufky:

i added linux support for that one :-)

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jm|laptop:

you did?

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jm|laptop:

thanks

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jm|laptop:

(I still have problems :P)

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mkrufky:

you're welcome... its nice to hear when stuff works

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mkrufky:

haha problems, great

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mkrufky:

what problems?

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mkrufky:

oh, if you were able to see the rev, do you know the model #?? it would be 5 digits on that one

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jm|laptop:

I looked at the picture on the box

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mkrufky:

oh, lol

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jm|laptop:

the cards are in the server now :/

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mkrufky:

no problem

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flohack:

mkrufky: Ok I just noticed that I can get the virtual keyboard with 'OK' if the cell phone style keyboard does not show up

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mkrufky:

its a safe bet that the model / rev in the picture on the box is NOT the same as the card

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jm|laptop:

Bus 008 Device 002: ID 2040:9950 Hauppauge

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Gumby:

has anyone here set up a custom recording via powersearch to only record shows on a specific group of channels? I'm having a heck of a time figuring out how to do this.

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jm|laptop:

"WinTV Nova T 500 model 287"

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jm|laptop:

"SL-287-V2.0-UK"

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mkrufky:

jm|laptop: ah, that is NOT the latest one that i added support for

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jm|laptop:

oh

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jm|laptop:

then I retract my thanks :D

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mkrufky:

jm|laptop: that one's been out for a longer time, people gave that version good reviews

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mkrufky:

hahah

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larstr:

jm|laptop: how do I find teh rev # without opening the case?

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jm|laptop:

larstr: I can't find this page :/

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jm|laptop:

larstr: it's on the box

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larstr:

jm|laptop: ok

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mkrufky:

larstr: no it isnt

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jm|laptop:

larstr: I can tell you though

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mkrufky:

dont trust the rev # on the box

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mkrufky:

i swear

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jm|laptop:

larstr: for tuner #0 set "only lock card when needed" and "scan EIT" or whatever and set channel delay to 150ms

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jm|laptop:

for tuner #1 set "only lock card when needed" UNSET "scan EIT" or whatever and set channel delay to 150ms

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larstr:

jm|laptop: yes, I saw that delay time needed to be adjusted

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jm|laptop:

alternatively – do without the EIT entirely and use xmltv and it seems solid as hell

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jm|laptop:

but I got loads of duplicate recordings :/

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jm|laptop:

and missing listings

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jm|laptop:

I now have 16 tuners :)

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larstr:

wow :)

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jm|laptop:

no wait 18

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jm|laptop:

Encoder 18 is local on asok and is not recording.

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jm|laptop:

hmm

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jm|laptop:

4 x 4 is 16

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jm|laptop:

some settings didn't take

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jm|laptop:

the UK has six multiplexes so I have two thirds of channels covered

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larstr:

jm|laptop: very nice! Hope you have a good disk system too

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jm|laptop:

/dev/sda 597G 113G 484G 19% /home/mythtv

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jm|laptop:

grr; using a two way amplifying splitter is causing artifacts :(

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jm|laptop:

59% signal

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larstr:

1 antenna split per card? Or does some of your cards require multiple?

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Gumby:

can anyone tell me if it is possible to create a power search that searches only the title for duplicates? For the life of me I cant figure out why my recording schedule keeps setting the same shows for recordings. I've tried all of the duplicate check methods that are listed

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Gumby:

If I use "subtitle" for my duplicate check, and all subtitles are blank.. then only one show "should" be recorded. However that rule doesnt seem to be matching

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jpabq:

Gumby, are you sure that show is not "unidentified"? Myth will record all "unidentified" episodes since it can't tell if their are duplicates or not. If you don't want those unidentified episodes, you can tell Myth to exclude them.

[18:03:11]

Gumby:

jpabq: how do I know if its "unidentified"?

[18:03:35]

Gumby:

my rule is the following...

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sphery:

what show?

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Gumby:

channel.name like '%ppv' or channel.name = 'vod' and program.category = 'movie'

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jpabq:

If you press U (I think), while on one of those episodes, it will give you detail information about it, including if it is unidentified.

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sphery:

since you're talking PPV, I'm assuming the listings are coming from some 3rd-party scraper, right?

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jstew:

looks like dish network channels

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Gumby:

SpaceBass: they are coming from the satellite stream

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jstew:

why not just use EIT for them?

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** Gumby should have changed that channel.name as to not cause a stir **

[18:06:32]

Gumby:

jstew: I am

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Gumby:

descriptions are slightly different depending on the channel so I cant use that as a duplicate check.

[18:07:23]

Gumby:

but subtitles are all left blank so I should be able to use that

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jstew:

do they have all day, lbx, etc in them?

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Gumby:

jstew: in which table?

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Gumby:

not sure what lbx is

[18:08:21]

jstew:

letterbox

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sphery:

Gumby: I'm just saying that the data is probably not complete enough, so it's being marked as a "generic" episode (what jpabq/some parts of the UI called "unidentified"). Any show without a programid, subtitle, and description or any show with a programid that ends with 0000 and whose category_type is series is marked as generic

[18:08:50]

jpabq:

If the subtitles are all blank, what is myth supposed to compare?

[18:08:51]

sphery:

that's very likely to occur with 3rd party scrapers (especially for movies)

[18:08:56]

jstew:

I haven't played with that in a little while. There's a patch to fix up the EIT IIRC.

[18:09:35]

Gumby:

hrm

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jstew:

Anyone else in here using arch?

[18:10:49]

jpabq:

Gumby, in Scheduling Options -> Look for duplicates in... you can tell it to exclude (not record) unidentified episodes (generic).

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Gumby:

jpabq: just saw that. was just about to apply that option. hehe

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sphery:

and it won't record /any/ of them :)

[18:11:37]

Gumby:

yeah, I figured that. but was gonna try anyhow :)

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jstew:

Is there a better way than romdb to fill in mame game names in mythgame? I'm using sdlmame

[18:11:45]

jpabq:

Gumby, If *all* your episodes are "generic", though, it won't record any of them.

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jpabq:

sphery is just too fast for me.

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sphery:

:)

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Gumby:

so I am not sure its marking them as generic. I chose to exclude all generic and still schedule is the same

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Kraftzwerk:

mysql problem: if i set up mysql to be bound to hostname or the specific IP, even the mythfrontend on the same machine cannot connect to mysql (neither 127.0.0.1, nor hostname, nor IP work) what is going wrong here?

[18:18:45]

Gumby:

yeah, looking at the program table, generic is 0 for all programs

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sphery:

need a -h on your mysql?

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sphery:

Kraftzwerk: for info on setting mysql permissions: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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Gumby:

sphery: do you have any idea which table columns get checked (other than description and subtitle) when myth does a duplicate check?

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Kraftzwerk:

I followed those instructions already. result remains the same

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sphery:

From that page: Check that /etc/mysql/my.cnf does not contain skip-networking.

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Kraftzwerk:

restarted mysqld after each change

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den_perry:

alreet. I am trying to set up mythweb. It is installed and I can access the webpage at 192.168.2.108/mythweb from the same machine as the backend is on. No access from other machines on my local network, get 'Firefox can't find the server at www.192.168.2.108.'. I can access backend machine via SSH. If i do a port scan from another machine it says port 80 is open on the backend. Any ideas why no acces?

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den_perry:

without the www obv!

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sphery:

den_perry: type in: http://192.168.2.108/mythweb ???

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sphery:

the www looks like firefox's auto-try-www stuff for when it can't find a host

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Kraftzwerk:

skip-networking is not in my.cnf

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sphery:

Gumby: sorry, I don't think it's possible to do what you want with Myth given the data you've described

[18:23:29]

den_perry:

Address Not Found

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den_perry:

Firefox can't find the server at www.192.168.2.108.

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Kraftzwerk:

i just dont get it... could this be debian-specific?

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Gumby:

den_perry: remove the www.

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den_perry:

ok, forget that, it now works!!!

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sphery:

Kraftzwerk: is it really debian or *buntu?

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den_perry:

i did not put www in before though. thats a couple of hours wasted! Cheers! for info though!

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sphery:

Kraftzwerk: also, again from that page: Also verify that bind-address is set to your IP address instead of 127.0.0.1.

[18:25:25]

sphery:

Kraftzwerk: and: NOTE: Your distribution may have a customized MySQL configuration file; in Mandriva, check /etc/sysconfig/mysqld for additional configuration.

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Kraftzwerk:

it is debian lenny. i'll take a look at the /etc/init.d/mysql script for starters (and bind 192.168.1.222... done that :/ )

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sphery:

may want to just remove the bind address

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sphery:

at least to get started

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sphery:

but with that bind address, that's why the 127.0.0.1 doesn't work

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jm|laptop:

larstr: feed --> amplifier with two outputs --> one to each dual tuner card

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Gumby:

Kraftzwerk: have you tested that machine to see that mysql is listening ?

[18:29:19]

Gumby:

netstat -tpan |grep 3306

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Gumby:

as root

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jm|laptop:

$ grep bind-address /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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jm|laptop:

#bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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jm|laptop:

bind-address = 192.168.1.75

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jm|laptop:

that's my Debian Lenny setup

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** jm|laptop commented out localhost **

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Kraftzwerk:

yeah, but: when leaving bind commentend out, the frontend can connect using 127.0.0.1. when i do bind-adress 192.168.1.222, the frontend cannot connect to mysql using neither "127.0.0.1" nor "localhost" nor "192.168.1.222" nor "<hostname>"

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Kraftzwerk:

gumby: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21223/mysqld

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Gumby:

Kraftzwerk: have you set the permissions to allow from 192.168.1.222

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jm|laptop:

Kraftzwerk: you've set up privileges right?

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Gumby:

privileges, thats the word I was looking for

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Gumby:

:)

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Kraftzwerk:

set the permissions using "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";"

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jm|laptop:

try adding the IP itself

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jm|laptop:

... to mythtv@192.168.1.222

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Kraftzwerk:

will do for testing

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Gumby:

Kraftzwerk: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -h192.168.1.222 mythconverg

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Gumby:

does that work ?

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** Gumby assumes there is a mythconverg db **

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jm|laptop:

I certainly couldn't use the hostname in mythfrontend's settings

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jm|laptop:

despite my DNS working fine tyvm

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GreyFoxx:

I believe all of those expect IPs not hostnames

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jm|laptop:

evidently :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm 99% sure the code does not do any name resolving at all

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GreyFoxx:

with the only exception being localhost

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Kraftzwerk:

because i dont have any clue about mysql: if a change privileges on mythconverg, should it read "Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)" ?

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Gumby:

depends on what you query

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Gumby:

or change

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Kraftzwerk:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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Kraftzwerk:

or, respectively

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Kraftzwerk:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.222" identified by "mythtv";

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: right about hostnames, though 0.22 will do name resolution

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jm|laptop:

[18:32] <Gumby> Kraftzwerk: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -h192.168.1.222 mythconverg [18:32] <Gumby> does that work ?

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Kraftzwerk:

gets me to the mysql prompt with errors

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Kraftzwerk:

"Your MySQL connection id is 112"

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jm|laptop:

errors?

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Kraftzwerk:

sorry, NO errors

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Kraftzwerk:

*cough*

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jm|laptop:

:)

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jm|laptop:

mysql> show databases;

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Kraftzwerk:

ouch...problem solved. solution is too embarassing

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jm|laptop:

hehe

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Gumby:

lol

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Kraftzwerk:

Thank you very much, guys.

[18:42:27]

Kraftzwerk:

On the brighter side... I learned something

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** jm|laptop is keen to hear **

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Gumby:

no mythconverg database?

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Kraftzwerk:

no, me to dumb to specificy the correct username and password to the frontend

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Gumby:

lol

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jm|laptop:

*facepalm*

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Gumby:

oh well

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jm|laptop:

I'm sure we've all been ther

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jm|laptop:

e

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Kraftzwerk:

"identified by "mythtv"" should have given me some clue as to not login to mysql as root

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Kraftzwerk:

btw...just for the record: mythtv really is a nice application. I have a university course in political science called "multimedia – new markets, need for regulation?" in which i had to give a presentation some days ago about "DVB and data compression"

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Kraftzwerk:

as a bonus i made a video of some mythtv features – the listeners (all pretty nontechnical people) where pretty impressed

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d0netsFN:

WinTV-PVR 150 MCE Non-FM (White box). Includes MCE 2005 driver software only.

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d0netsFN:

what does non-fm mean?

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d0netsFN:

no fm radio?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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d0netsFN:

hrmm

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wagnerrp:

the MCE tuners usually have an fm radio included

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wagnerrp:

the vanilla cards do not

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d0netsFN:

vanilla?

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d0netsFN:

this is a mce, but it says non fm

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wagnerrp:

vanilla = standard, non-mce

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S2:

hi! just wanted to ask is myth 21.1 is still far away or if we can expect it anytime soon?

[18:55:55]

wagnerrp:

just explaining why they bother to tell you it does not have a radio

[18:56:11]

wagnerrp:

0.21.1 is not in the roadmap

[18:56:19]

wagnerrp:

for now, its just 0.21-fixes

[18:56:43]

wagnerrp:

you can grab 0.21-fixes off the svn any time you want

[18:56:49]

S2:

oh. thanls wagnerrp. so 21.1 = 21-fixes

[18:56:57]

S2:

yes, a i already run that

[18:56:58]

wagnerrp:

but i have not heard any speak of an official release

[18:57:21]

S2:

so 0.22 will be the next "real" release?

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GreyFoxx:

That hasn't been Specified

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GreyFoxx:

it most likely will be 0.22

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wagnerrp:

probably

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** GreyFoxx wants 0.9992399391378964789423786423786942423 **

[18:58:22]

GreyFoxx:

Lemon scented version

[18:58:28]

wagnerrp:

i would imagine something so major as a QT upgrade would be sufficient for a major revision number

[18:58:36]

wagnerrp:

but for now... its just trunk

[18:58:49]

S2:

ok. and the new cool mythui stuff will be available in 0.22 then i guess

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wagnerrp:

all part of an unnamed trunk

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GreyFoxx:

S2 yeah

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S2:

ok. thanks. and is there any hint of when that will be done?

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wagnerrp:

soon. eventually. when it gets there.

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gbee:

Tuesday

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wagnerrp:

if you want a better estimate, check the open ticket count on Trac

[19:01:22]

gbee:

month and year to be determined

[19:01:22]

S2:

ok. so no time specified for now.

[19:01:56]

S2:

wagnerrp, you mean the roadmap? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap

[19:02:00]

gbee:

though that doesn't say much since new tickets are opened every day and some may be pushed back for the next release

[19:02:21]

S2:

so when the open tickets go to almost 0 it's time for a release...?

[19:02:37]

gbee:

yes and no

[19:03:00]

S2:

gbee, care to elaborate?

[19:03:06]

wagnerrp:

not exactly, but its at least something to go off of

[19:03:11]

S2:

i am just eager to see the new mythui stuff.

[19:03:25]

wagnerrp:

no tickets just mean theres no open patches or bugs

[19:03:39]

gbee:

the tickets will go to almost zero before a release, but they'll go up and down before that point, we don't make the decision to release based on the number of open tickets for the 0.22 milestome

[19:03:42]

wagnerrp:

there may be other stuff people are working on intended for the next release that has not been submitted yet

[19:03:59]

gbee:

rather we'd set a date, fix as many as possible, then shift the rest to 0.22.1 or 0.23

[19:04:01]

S2:

ok. i understand. thanks

[19:05:14]

S2:

(and thanks for mythtv :))

[19:05:15]

wagnerrp:

theres no set date, until theres a set date

[19:05:34]

wagnerrp:

that just gives you some basic metric to see approximately how far off that date may be

[19:05:44]

S2:

and i guess you don't like to set dates, because you may not meet the date

[19:06:10]

S2:

yeah got it

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mofu:

Any using QAM with WOW Cable??

[19:24:54]

wagnerrp:

WOW cable?

[19:25:01]

wagnerrp:

never heard of it

[19:25:06]

wagnerrp:

local provider?

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mofu:

Wide Open West,

[19:25:35]

wagnerrp:

also, has anyone else noticed that rather than providing garbage images, the imdb grabber provides nothing at all?

[19:25:56]

wagnerrp:

mofu: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

[19:28:48]

mofu:

wagnerrp: thanks, but it just says Digital Cable, we have two cable companies in my area

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mofu:

the listings look like comcast

[19:29:07]

wagnerrp:

cant help you there

[19:29:41]

mofu:

i've been scanning without much luck.

[19:29:57]

wagnerrp:

well you must get at least the local broadcast channels

[19:30:03]

wagnerrp:

they are required to provide that

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mofu:

I can't even find any QAM Broadcast channels yet

[19:31:45]

wagnerrp:

im saying they are required to re-transmit the local broadcast channels over their network

[19:31:54]

wagnerrp:

so if you do a scan, you must pick those up

[19:32:04]

wagnerrp:

do you have a dual core processor?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: re: imdb images, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5936 ?

[19:32:59]

wagnerrp:

ah! well thats a quick fix... if it provides decent posters anyway

[19:33:14]

sphery:

at least until imdb.pl gets removed from myth... :)

[19:33:31]

wagnerrp:

well there is that

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iamlindoro__:

sooner than later, hopefully

[19:33:40]

mofu:

no scan picks up nothing so far, have tried Cable, CABLE HRC, Cable IRC, all using QAM256

[19:33:47]

iamlindoro__:

The tmdb perl script is working fairly well at this point

[19:33:56]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: agreed--I think #5936 is the perfect excuse to remove it.

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adnc:

hello, my mythtv plays dvd's without problems but it doesnt play vcd's is this a restriction or do i have to configure something for it?

[19:34:04]

wagnerrp:

ive just been following manually behind the scanner, and wgetting good images

[19:34:07]

iamlindoro__:

although it's not as extensive, of course

[19:34:12]

mofu:

this is using HDHomeRun, which worked fine with Comcast to get local HD

[19:34:12]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, was thinking same

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sphery:

mofu: you're not doing cable high only, are you?

[19:34:27]

wagnerrp:

mofu: do you have a dual core processor?

[19:34:28]

mofu:

sphery: no,

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mofu:

wagnerrp: no, why?

[19:34:52]

wagnerrp:

the internal scanner has issues with SMP machines

[19:35:07]

wagnerrp:

you have to forcefully set the affinity to one core, or it barfs

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, lord knows it still exists in the revision history if *someone* wants it, nobody is stopping them from using it, but it seems at some point a clean break must be made

[19:36:06]

mofu:

the machine I'm testing on is Hyperthread P4, is that OK?

[19:36:28]

wagnerrp:

well that counts as SMP

[19:36:42]

mofu:

I'll try again on the other box

[19:36:48]

wagnerrp:

hold on...

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wagnerrp:

theres some wrapper that you use to run mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro__:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

[19:37:01]

sphery:

taskset -c 0

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wagnerrp:

and there it is

[19:37:18]

sphery:

mofu: also, may need to increase the channel scan timeout

[19:37:56]

mofu:

ok

[19:38:39]

sphery:

gbee: always fun to see how long it takes them to find their way over (and always puzzling that some never do)

[19:39:00]

gbee:

aye

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wagnerrp:

is the tmdb script backwards compatible with -fixes?

[19:40:09]

wagnerrp:

i may just grab it off trunk and start using that

[19:40:25]

sphery:

I think he's trying to make it that way

[19:41:19]

sphery:

adnc: some people use it, they're probably just not here now

[19:41:38]

sphery:

adnc: if you don't feel like hanging out and waiting for people who do, then try sending an e-mail to the -users list

[19:42:07]

adnc:

sphery: thank you

[19:42:08]

sphery:

I know of one person specifically who uses VCD a lot, but he's not actively participating in discussions right now.

[19:42:08]

wagnerrp:

HAH! the first item listed under 'genre' on tmdb is 'bavarian porn film'

[19:42:27]

sphery:

you mean like id=0?

[19:42:33]

iamlindoro__:

yes, put it in your scripts directory, chmod it +x, and point myth at it (I had to edit the one claus about tv=no;video=no out too)

[19:42:36]

iamlindoro__:

and then it will work

[19:42:37]

GreyFoxx:

Myth's ionternal player does NOT suppor tVCD's, so yes you need to configure and external app such as mplayer for them

[19:42:39]

adnc:

sphery: is there someting i particularly can look for

[19:43:19]

adnc:

ahh, can someone point me to a documentation?

[19:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

In fact when you go into the mythvideo "player settings:" menu it has an example mplayer command for it right there

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sphery:

wagnerrp: someone else also pointed out that if you start with http://themoviedb.org/person/1 and work your way up, it reads like the cast of the original Star Wars

[19:43:57]

GreyFoxx:

You just need to make sure it is correct and points to your cdrom

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, The description of IMDB title 000001 is pretty funny too

[19:44:52]

sphery:

i'm still looking for the genre 0/1

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** sphery hates javascript image-morphing (really, I do have other things to do with my CPU) **

[19:46:04]

iamlindoro__:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0000001/

[19:46:33]

sphery:

yeah, was just looking at that

[19:46:52]

iamlindoro__:

Got that description on one of my movies once accidentally, went... "huh?"

[19:47:00]

sphery:

Professional dancer Carmencita was the first woman to step before a motion picture camera in America

[19:47:16]

sphery:

guess that was also before they invented Plots

[19:47:25]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i noticed that a couple months ago

[19:47:47]

GreyFoxx:

At this point It's just not worth adding direct vcd support. though I've thought of it from time to time

[19:47:59]

sphery:

I like the "Spoiler alert!" in "Plot Keywords"--yeah, it totally ruined the film for me.

[19:48:27]

kormoc:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6020302018400450975

[19:48:28]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro__: i think its better that there are actual 321 votes for that film

[19:48:34]

kormoc:

there's the video incase you wanted to see it :P

[19:48:52]

sphery:

wonder if Google is paying royalties on that one

[19:48:55]

wagnerrp:

as if there were even 5 people who have both seen it, and use IMDB

[19:49:03]

sphery:

(didn't they get sued about that for YouTube?)

[19:49:40]

gbee:

aside from GreyFoxx, how many people have a VCD collection outside Asia? How many of those aren't anime or animation?

[19:49:52]

wagnerrp:

heh, im wondering why its not working

[19:50:03]

wagnerrp:

i forgot i had turned off javascript, so i could right click on IMDB images

[19:50:09]

sphery:

I think x r i s (trying not to call him back to the channel) archives a lot to VCD

[19:50:14]

adnc:

the value dvd drive speed is set here to 2, is this a valuable amount ? or do i have to calculate this somehow. i do have a modern, new dvd drive

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kormoc:

Mr. X Ris does a fair bit of VCD, but he's switched to standard DVD archiving now a days

[19:50:59]

sphery:

adnc: it's to make it so you can hear the movie rather than listen to a helicopter spinning up every few minutes

[19:51:14]

adnc:

sphery: so leaving it at 2 is ok?

[19:51:19]

kormoc:

adnc, it's the x speed, so 2 = 2x read speed

[19:51:30]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, cool. I like the more formal naming, too. :)

[19:51:45]

kormoc:

adnc, but yeah, 2x is typically fine for just watching

[19:51:45]

sphery:

adnc: and, yes, 2 should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: hehe I'm the only one I know with REAL vcd's heh

[19:51:51]

adnc:

i see, is 2x enough for playing simply movies? has this also an effect on ripping

[19:52:04]

adnc:

thank you to all of your answers

[19:52:06]

sphery:

no effect on ripping

[19:52:21]

wagnerrp:

seems the IMDB script as been producing ass images for some time

[19:52:34]

wagnerrp:

ive never actually noticed, because the quality on my CRT is already so poor

[19:53:11]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, IIRC, the code that grabbed images from a high-quality poster site was removed because it was definitely violating TOS's (and there was question about whether the IMDB code itself was)

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adnc:

sphery: could you direct me again to thesettings menue where i can set the player for vcd?

[19:53:55]

sphery:

(basically since other FOSS projects used IMDB, we assumed they had gotten permission, so we tried to figure out how, and in the process found out no one had permission)

[19:54:04]

iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, My folks have a pretty substantial collection from their travels to China

[19:54:45]

sphery:

adnc: It's somewhere in the frontend settings (Utilities/Settings|Settings|Media Settings|Video or something like that)

[19:54:46]

wagnerrp:

there are actually films officially produced in VCD?

[19:55:03]

GreyFoxx:

Wag: Everything was

[19:55:05]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, when I was in Chine in... erm.. 2001, every house had a VCD player

[19:55:10]

iamlindoro__:

China

[19:55:21]

GreyFoxx:

Anime, movies, music videos, cartoons

[19:55:22]

wagnerrp:

street venders in China dont count, since they just burn you a copy right there in their shack

[19:55:31]

GreyFoxx:

it was coming out on VCD before DVD's

[19:55:35]

iamlindoro__:

This was legit stuff from big box stores

[19:55:43]

wagnerrp:

really...

[19:55:47]

GreyFoxx:

professional, real VCD's / SVCDs

[19:55:56]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a bunch

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iamlindoro__:

Mostly Chinese music stuff and culture/travel/opera IIRC (in my parent's collection, that is)

[19:56:11]

GreyFoxx:

including all of Beast Wars on VCD I ordered from Malaysia back then :)

[19:56:44]

adnc:

we bought about ten officially produced new movies a couple of days ago

[19:56:47]

adnc:

in turkey

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gbee:

VCD only really took off in Asia, or at least it never seemed to get very far in Europe and I'd assumed that was mostly true in the US

[19:57:19]

gbee:

but yes, there were films officially released on VCD

[19:57:25]

iamlindoro__:

Used to have a pretty big following amongst pirates

[19:57:26]

GreyFoxx:

main uses in North america were people ripping TV shows :)

[19:57:31]

iamlindoro__:

(obviosuly)

[19:57:42]

iamlindoro__:

Gah, when did my fingers go totally retarded?

[19:57:55]

kormoc:

I've found it was mainly a highschool thing before dvd burners were common, outside of highschool, most people just bought their movies

[19:58:52]

iamlindoro__:

Haha, carmen is totally 1894-porno

[19:58:55]

iamlindoro__:

carmencita

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iamlindoro__:

Which just goes to show porn has driven adoption of new technology for over 100 years

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sphery:

did anyone ever figure out the pre-commercial images in Fringe?

[19:59:49]

wagnerrp:

pre-commercial images?

[20:00:04]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, All except one of them make sense to me

[20:00:11]

GreyFoxx:

the apple with the shape of a fetus where the seeds would be and so on

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta admit, I love that show

[20:00:22]

sphery:

the producers said that the order of the images has meaning

[20:00:32]

GreyFoxx:

Ahh I didn't know that

[20:00:39]

iamlindoro__:

Ah. Well don't spoil anything, I am saving the whole series for a drought

[20:00:46]

sphery:

i.e. apple, leaf, seahorce, frog, ...

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: heh I've doing that with Crusoe

[20:01:21]

GreyFoxx:

and sat down this weekend and caught up on all of Life on Mars

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, I''ve got that one backed up too but I have an awful feeling I'll watch two episodes and erase it

[20:01:38]

iamlindoro__:

Life on Mars I am also saving, but it looks *good*

[20:01:51]

kormoc:

you know, I only just started watching lost...

[20:02:03]

sphery:

did Life on Mars get the boot, yet?

[20:02:15]

iamlindoro__:

No, LOM is hanging in there

[20:02:22]

wagnerrp:

i didnt realize those images actually had meaning

[20:02:22]

GreyFoxx:

spher: They ordered 4 more shows

[20:02:24]

iamlindoro__:

kormoc, Lucky you, it's awesome and you have lots ahead of you

[20:02:28]

sphery:

cool

[20:02:41]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky is the Lost superfan, though ;)

[20:02:49]

GreyFoxx:

spher: they will have like 8 episodes for january and so on

[20:02:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i may need to pick up LOM, considering everything else is getting cancelled

[20:02:58]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, definitely important to see Lost in order (and nice to see without interruption)

[20:03:17]

GreyFoxx:

wag: Yeah, I saw a list of up for cancellation and it was half of what I watch

[20:03:22]

GreyFoxx:

I like Terminator :/

[20:03:29]

kormoc:

ick, that's sad

[20:03:31]

sphery:

and, yeah, mkrufky seems to spend a lot of time on the alternate-reality game (i.e. where all the answers can be found--since they're not in the show :)

[20:03:34]

kormoc:

I like bad-assed river

[20:03:50]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

[20:04:17]

sphery:

yeah, but river was especially concerned about trying to be more human last week...

[20:04:19]

wagnerrp:

terminator, pushing daisies, atlantis (although that one is coming to a conclusion anyway)

[20:04:38]

kormoc:

Atlantis is super sad

[20:04:40]

wagnerrp:

my sister watches dirty sexy money too, so shes losing that

[20:04:53]

iamlindoro__:

Pushing Daisies is officially gone, Think Terminator is still technically in the air

[20:04:55]

kormoc:

That was my weekly Jewel Staite fix...

[20:04:55]

sphery:

Yeah, daisies is great

[20:05:08]

iamlindoro__:

Mmmmmmmm Jewel Staits

[20:05:10]

iamlindoro__:

Staite

[20:05:13]

wagnerrp:

is she the mechanic?

[20:05:19]

iamlindoro__:

yep

[20:05:20]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Aye, in Firefly

[20:05:34]

tstaerk:

how do I switch channels in mythtv?

[20:05:34]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, and she picked up a role in SG:A a season ago

[20:05:40]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the doc

[20:05:58]

sphery:

kormoc: when they killed Beckett, I didn't think I'd ever like the Doc again, 'til I saw it was Jewel

[20:06:06]

wagnerrp:

just didnt know her by name

[20:06:22]

iamlindoro__:

I Like Adam Baldwin, glad he landed somewhere fun like Chuck

[20:06:23]

gbee:

aye, she's cute

[20:06:31]

kormoc:

sphery, Aye, same thought exactly :)

[20:06:33]

iamlindoro__:

Not in the same way I like Jewel Staite, btw ;)

[20:06:43]

** kormoc laughs **

[20:06:50]

sphery:

Dr Jennifer Keller, played by Jewel Staite, formerly Kaywinnit Lee 'Kaylee' Frye of Firefly

[20:07:11]

wagnerrp:

oh come on... hes so manly

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wagnerrp:

although his car did get blown up...

[20:07:29]

iamlindoro__:

Apparently even Chuck isn't doing so hot

[20:08:10]

wagnerrp:

thats the thing, where are they getting these numbers

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sphery:

Adam Baldwin is the only Baldwin brother I like. (I know, it's a joke. Although, now that I think about it, I have a new respect for Alec thanks to 30 Rock.)

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wagnerrp:

ive never been in one of the surveys, i dont know anyone who has ever been in one

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iamlindoro__:

They get them from Nielsen, which gets them from people who watch *in real time*

[20:08:37]

iamlindoro__:

so your shows are being chosen by 60+ year olds

[20:08:45]

sphery:

wagnerrp: they should really just have people hang out in #mythtv-users to figure out what to keep...

[20:08:54]

iamlindoro__:

Which explains why TV is just a vast wasteland of crime procedurals

[20:08:56]

gbee:

maybe they do ...

[20:09:15]

gbee:

listen up whoever you may be, don't axe our shows!

[20:09:34]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, you have to request to be a part of the ratings

[20:09:34]

sphery:

though if they are here, it's probably more of a which-to-not-keep thing (those people who don't watch our commercials enough)

[20:09:48]

iamlindoro__:

They call all my/our shows shows with a "cult" following, but really, they're just shows watched by a younger generation with DVRs

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sphery:

Though I have to say that I often listen to them while I'm typing in OT comments about shows I'm watching in here :)

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wagnerrp:

i almost wonder if it would be worth having some opt-in anonymous survey data in mythtv

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sphery:

anyone else lacking images at http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/

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adnc:

my video gallery does not show the cover image. the cover has been fetched to the home directory /home/myuser/.mythtv/MythVideo but my movies are under /var/lib/mythtv/videos. how can i tell my video gallery to look for the covers in my home directory?

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the fact is that they dont care a damn about DVR users, since theyre not viewing the ads anyway

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gbee:

it knows

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sphery:

adnc: the full path of the poster is specified in the database

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iamlindoro__:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General

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cesman:

adnc: what iamlindoro__ stated

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sphery:

adnc: if you use a script to find the poster, it will put them in the proper directory--i.e. the one specified as the poster directory

[20:12:22]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I've been pondering how to do at least recommendations, Was thinking of doing a mythweb module that is fully opt-in and at first grinds my home box a bit to figure out stuff, but lots of other stuff has taken my time :P

[20:12:49]

sphery:

adnc: and I was totally wrong about the full path part of what I said :)

[20:13:00]

adnc:

sphery: yes, it has been fetched by mythtv itself. but the gallery doesnt show it. idid look and it really is in my users home directory

[20:13:17]

sphery:

probably a permissions problem

[20:13:31]

sphery:

and the covers have to exist on every single frontend in the exact same absolute path

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, You *may* convince me to try out Supernatural-- depends on how long the holiday hiatus ends up being

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adnc:

sphery: no the permissions areset to 777

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gbee:

no errors in the log?

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sphery:

adnc: but the permissions of the directory can also affect it (i.e. if your home directory is (as it should be) 750 or 700)

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sphery:

adnc: just change the poster directory to some directory not in a home directory and then move the images and specify appropriate permissions

[20:15:48]

adnc:

sphery: yes, but the fetching process was able to write the file to it

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gbee:

man has a point

[20:16:19]

sphery:

still, I'd say get it out of a user's home as a first ste

[20:16:21]

sphery:

p

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gbee:

I like it there ... :)

[20:16:59]

gbee:

but data directory probably wouldn't hurt

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sphery:

homes are especially difficult with multiple frontends (or with systems whose distros configure part to run as root and part as mythtv)

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, So, still up for resolution icons in the Watch Recording screen now that it's possible? ;)

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: sure

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sphery:

wagnerrp: based on my lack of success trying to browse the Nielson web site, I'd say they're not interested in the views of anyone who's not using Internet Explorer/Windows. That may explain why they cancel all the good shows...

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I guess if you want me to do it I should wait until you merge your changes so that I don't try to patch something horribly out of date

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, I've got images there

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, May require flash

[20:21:04]

sphery:

don't have flash loaded...

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm... seems not, though

[20:21:33]

sphery:

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/images/links/link . . . tore_off.gif gives a 404...

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iamlindoro__:

Not flash-- plenty of javascript but that seems about it

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sphery:

JS is enabled...

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sphery:

the main site-- http://www.nielsen.com/ --works, but http://www.nielsenmedia.com/ doesn't

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iamlindoro__:

Works here

[20:23:39]

sphery:

wonder if they're scanning UA strings... Mine says Minefield instead of Firefox

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gbee:

works here, with firefox

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sphery:

nope... Idiots

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clever:

i have minefield also

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sphery:

they require a Referer header

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clever:

had to tweak my ua scanning code to know its ff

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sphery:

How the world can a client-side generated string add security to their site?

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clever:

no idea

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adnc:

when i issue the command mplayer vcd:// -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom -fs -zoom -vo xv from the shell i get a mplayer error saying no such file or directory and could not connect to socket and it exits rapidly. what is wrong with this command line?

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sphery:

because they don't have a clue about security

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iamlindoro__:

How in the world can people who watch live TV represent the vast number of us who don't?

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iamlindoro__:

These are mysteries we'll never unravel

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sphery:

I can understand when a clueless web developer requires a referer header for logging in to a site to allow a checkout (though it's still a complete and total waste), but for a plain old image?

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sphery:

and, in this case, the CSS

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sphery:

So, it says, "We will only accept information from people who don't care about security." (I.e. people who know how to disable the referer header aren't allowed to express opinions on TV.)

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clever:

i can see a use of user-agent filtering on css files

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clever:

you could give a different css for each browser

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sphery:

yeah, but referer?

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clever:

half the web games i play need a referer filled in properly

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, Don't mind clever, he just likes to waggle his brain about if he can find a way to fit a recently-used noun into his babble

[20:30:06]

clever:

and one of those doesnt care if i use PUT or POST for the forms

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sphery:

and, since no HTTP header is required (except the Host header for HTTP 1.1), you should /always/ have a backup plan for when it's not there.

[20:30:19]

iamlindoro__:

because he's lonely and has no friends

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clever:

hell, i can put the arguments in the url as page.cgi?x=y&foo=bar in a POST and the game lets it thru without question

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sphery:

that's not uncommon--because people have abused POST and added GET query strings to their URI's, most API's just get whatever params are present regardless of where/what method

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clever:

the only time ive ever actualy seen $_GET variables used on a POST is a bot thats against the game rules

[20:32:19]

clever:

i could find every single bot with a single grep on the access.log :P

[20:32:29]

clever:

somehow, the admins still havent solved the problem

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sphery:

as far as not distinguishing between different HTTP methods, that may be an appropriate thing (since for most requests it doesn't matter, and since you're not really going to handle PUT or DELETE the right way, why not fall back to a reasonable action, like whatever you do for GET)

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wagnerrp:

awesome, the default poster for Live and Let Die is in japanese

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clever:

it just seems wrong to allow the arguments in the URI with an empty POST when every form is POST only

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sphery:

Anyway, it seems that (not that I've allowed Referer), you can't sign up to be a Nielson Family because, "To include volunteers would violate basic laws of random sampling practice and skew our results."

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sphery:

s/not that/now that/

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, it's forced slaves only

[20:34:43]

iamlindoro__:

Jihadists, mostly

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iamlindoro__:

They watch crime dramas to try to learn to represent themselves in Military Tribunals

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sphery:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

Betcha didn't know all of your teevee was chosen at Gitmo, didja?

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sphery:

that would explain a lot of the decisions the networks make

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gering:

Anyone: I'm out of ideas — I've upgraded to 0.21 and can't figure out why my vol control doesn't work anymore. The onscreen meter goes up and down with no effect, but I can control the volume with the ubuntu mixer applet.

[20:36:40]

sphery:

gering: did you upgrade your distro at the same time? Sounds like you have Pulse or some other sound server enabled

[20:36:52]

clever:

open the full mixer applet and watch it to see what moves when you addjust it in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro__:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, find the page with audio settings, and change mixer devices

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gbee:

Mandriva 2009 comes with pulse enabled, don't get it :/

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sphery:

I can't wait until they come with OSS4 enabled

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iamlindoro__:

I usually have to change the default from /dev/dsp to alsa:Default to get it working here. Just highlight the mixer device box and press right and left

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gering:

sphery: I didn't update my distro — I'm using Ubuntu 7.04

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sphery:

right, if you have audio output device set to ALSA:default, use mixer device of ALSA:default, if you have audio output device /dev/dsp, use mixer device /dev/mixer (and for the /dev ones, you may have a number, such as 0 or 1 after the device name, but it must be the same on both)

[20:39:22]

gering:

I have output device /dev/dsp and mixer device /dev/mixer

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sphery:

try changing to ALSA:default

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sphery:

may not have the OSS-compatibility modules installed

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gbee:

nothing uses /dev/dsp anymore

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iamlindoro__:

Probably worth a patch, yeah?

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gbee:

/dev/dsp is just a pointer to the ALSA device

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gbee:

but they don't generally do the same for the mixer device

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adnc:

l

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staerk:

hi, how can I change the channel I am watching in mythtv?

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sphery:

up/down, then select (either space or enter, can't remember which)

[20:42:45]

sphery:

or just type in a channel number, then select

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staerk:

I tried this.

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gbee:

or press S to bring up the programme guide

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staerk:

but I do not have a chance to select anything

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iamlindoro__:

Pretty sure the whole "change channels on select" tickbox option is covered in the FAQ

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staerk:

where is the FAQ?

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm, guess it's not, from looking at it. Will have to add that at some point

[20:45:29]

staerk:

but where is the FAQ?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions

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iamlindoro__:

staerk, Anyway, there's a little option you have to enable in the TV General or Playback settings that changes select from "enter recording options" to the change channel

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sphery:

Also, see: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, There you go, an option I can't remember the exact map to ;)

[20:46:18]

iamlindoro__:

(because I don't watch live TV because it's for suckers)

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sphery:

yeah, I don't know my LiveTV, either

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staerk:

iamlindoro__, where are the playback settings?

[20:50:04]

iamlindoro__:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings

[20:50:12]

iamlindoro__:

In either Playback or General

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gering:

sphery: I just installed the OSS-compatibility modules and restarted mythfrontend. If I put ALSA:default in both the output device and mixer fields, I get no sound and the onscreen vol display is hidden.

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mofu:

wagnerrp: thanks for the time about smp and scanning, I seem to be getting usable result from the other box.

[20:50:41]

staerk:

iamlindoro__, I do not have utilities/setup

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iamlindoro__:

Uh oh, someone decided to use to "Make it impossible for people to help me" menu themes

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staerk:

seems so :)

[20:51:18]

iamlindoro__:

s/use to/use the/

[20:51:21]

iamlindoro__:

Oh well, on your own

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iamlindoro__:

good luck

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sphery:

staerk: may need to use up/down (or left/right) to scroll the menu

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wagnerrp:

mofu: setting the processor affinity using the command iamlindoro__ and sphery gave should work

[20:52:23]

wagnerrp:

if not, using dvbscan from the command line should work

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt need to do a scan on a separate computer

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sphery:

gering: if you have the OSS-compat modules, try changing back to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer

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wagnerrp:

s/wouldnt/shouldnt/

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staerk:

iamlindoro__, hey, if I start mythfrontend, not mythtv, I have utilities/setup

[20:53:18]

iamlindoro__:

That's because you should never be starting the mythtv executable

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staerk:

what should I start ? mythtv or mythtv-frontend?

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iamlindoro__:

ever

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staerk:

ok

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mofu:

the primary backend is single proc anyway, just doesn't have a monitor and using mythtv-setup over remote X session sucks

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gering:

sphery: Yes, I changed back to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and I wehre I started — I get sound and the osd, but it does nothing.

[20:55:18]

sphery:

sounds like /dev/mixer is the wrong mixer device, then, you may need /dev/mixer1 or something (i.e. because you have a /dev/mixer that--on this particular boot--is attached to a frame-grabber capture card)

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sphery:

if that's the case, you'll need to find a way to lock which mixer is which--i.e. the right way with udev or the hacks with module options

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm... nobody ever says thanks any more.

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iamlindoro__:

It's just "Wham, Bam... $person Has quit ()"

[21:01:18]

gering:

sphery: Thanks, I'll keep looking. There's only one /dev/mixer* device.

[21:01:41]

sphery:

gering: oh, sorry, out of ideas, then

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iamlindoro__:

gering, Just to cover all bases, you're not using digital outs, are you

[21:02:12]

iamlindoro__:

?

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sphery:

finally, iamlindoro__ asks the question I should have asked first...

[21:02:53]

gering:

sphery: Not sure — how would I know?

[21:03:04]

iamlindoro__:

Optical or Coaxial output to a receiver

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sphery:

how is your sound card connected to speakers?

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gering:

Front/analog output.

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iamlindoro__:

ok, good

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sphery:

and that also explains why it's not controlling volume

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gering:

Really??

[21:03:54]

sphery:

Myth can only control either Master or PCM volume

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iamlindoro__:

yep

[21:04:20]

iamlindoro__:

sphery stealing my thunder, rassafrassa...

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sphery:

if your sound card doesn't have PCM, and you're using Front, then your only choice would be "Mixer controls: Master"

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gering:

I *used* to work with 0.20 on the same setup.

[21:04:46]

sphery:

but with many sound cards, Master doesn't control Front channel volume (i.e. with many of the Intel HDA chipsets)

[21:05:22]

sphery:

when you go into alsamixer do you see channels for Master and/or PCM (and if so, which)

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sphery:

I'm guessing there's an error in your log file that says something about mixer device not found. That used to prevent playback, but someone added a setting that tells it to play anyway.

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gering:

No PCM or Master, just IEC958 and Analog controls.

[21:07:24]

sphery:

are you sure you didn't get a new kernel and/or new ALSA modules when you upgraded?

[21:07:45]

sphery:

it sounds like you have a not-well-supported sound card based on intel-hda

[21:08:48]

sphery:

what happens if you do alsamixer -c 1

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gering:

Could be — I'll have to crawl under the table to see just what I did 1+ years ago.

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gering:

wrong -c argument '1'

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gering:

But -c 0 works

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sphery:

there goes that theory (an integrated sound card is now card 0 and the PCI sound card you were using became card 1)

[21:11:31]

sphery:

it may just be that the OSS-compat modules you have are treating the sound card differently, now, so rather than controlling the mixer channel you want, /dev/mixer doesn't work

[21:11:43]

gbee:

bugger, updating to 2.6.27 broke three of my cards

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sphery:

it sounds like you can either a) get a different sound card (easiest), b) use external volume controls (second easiest), or c) create an ALSA config that defines a softvol control called either Master or PCM (hardest) . For b, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357276#357276

[21:13:34]

gbee:

of two identical cards, one works the other isn't see by the driver

[21:13:49]

sphery:

capture cards?

[21:14:39]

sphery:

might be changes to module options (to allow pinning the device number) conflicting with udev or other approaches to pin the number???

[21:14:56]

gbee:

dvb

[21:15:45]

gbee:

haven't any device number related stuff setup, hadn't got around to it yet

[21:16:00]

gbee:

right back to square one :(

[21:16:25]

gbee:

why can't mythtv record my tv?

[21:16:35]

sphery:

lol

[21:17:16]

iamlindoro__:

Hey guys, anyone use MythTV in a Lian Li case with a Q9650 and exactly 8 GB of RAM in San Jose California?

[21:17:18]

iamlindoro__:

Anyone?

[21:17:35]

wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

Guess I'll repeat myself in 37 seconds, then

[21:18:42]

sphery:

I'm trying to get MythTV to run on my XBox 360 using dsdv=mh to record FTA satellite TV. How do I make that work?

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sphery:

(shift home keys 1 to the right to translate that "using" phrase)

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iamlindoro__:

Yes I *know* there's a manual but IRC is quicker

[21:19:17]

gering:

sphery: again thanks, if I find a soln, I'll let you know

[21:19:24]

sphery:

good luck

[21:20:30]

iamlindoro__:

Ugh, I *hate* it when I get behind on editing out commercials, I have 38 programs to get done :(

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: you edit, but don't transcode, right?

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iamlindoro__:

sphery, lossless only

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sphery:

oh, I do neither. watch/delete

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iamlindoro__:

that is to say "lossless" only

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: because your troubles are so much worse than mine eh? ;)

[21:21:31]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, One of my favorite shows had the channel go out of business and ran a marathon this last week-- it'll never see blu ray so it was my last chance to archive in HD

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sphery:

gbee: how important could a capture card be for proper MythTV operation?

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, Awwwww c'mon, wasn't a comparison

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gbee:

j/k

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wagnerrp:

the imdb.pl script managed to pull a poster for highlander 2

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wagnerrp:

yet, imdb does not actually have any images for that on its website

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sphery:

it has some fallback sites

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aquarius:

What's the default keybinding for myth to save a screenshot of the currently playing video? (If there is one :))

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sphery:

l

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sphery:

that's an ell, not a one

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aquarius:

cool. shall give that a try rigt now :)

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aquarius:

(where does it put the screenshot?)

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sphery:

~/.mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I always like that feature. Makes me chuckle to think how you more or less can't do that (easily)in Windows, they've decided it's somehow dishonest to take screenshots of video

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aquarius:

pants!

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: and, yet, thetvdb.com... :)

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iamlindoro__:

yar

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aquarius:

I was getting video corruption when trying to watch a recorded DVB mpg on another machine in mplayer to grab a screenshot, so I assumed that I didn't have the right codecs and myth would play it back fine

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sphery:

I think "pants" is an across-the-pond expression, but I don't know whether it's a good or bad thing (I thought bad)

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aquarius:

but...turns out the recorded video itself is corrupt. Must have been aerial interference.

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aquarius:

Damn.

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sphery:

seems it is bad

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aquarius:

it is bad, yes :)

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iamlindoro__:

Oh Nice, the Colbert Christmas Thingie and the 24 Thingie are on tonight

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sphery:

wow, both have the same subtitle?

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iamlindoro__:

Heh

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iamlindoro__:

"A Very Thingie Christmas"

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sphery:

lol

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wagnerrp:

searching for 'PCU' got me 'For A Few Dollars More'

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iamlindoro__:

So, is Supernatural a show where I've got to kind of "hang in there" through the first season?

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sphery:

first few episodes, perhaps

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sphery:

I loved it from the beginning, though (should admit I was a big Buffy/Angel fan, too)

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iamlindoro__:

I liked Buffy (you know I like Joss Whedon)

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sphery:

It's kind of Buffy without SMG

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iamlindoro__:

Loved Firefly, of course

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sphery:

I think you'll like it, then

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gbee:

Buffy, but without the girl? ...

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iamlindoro__:

They called that "Angel"

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sphery:

keep an open mind, realize that there's far more to the show than the obvious (i.e. a /lot/ of extremely hilarious references), and enjoy the soundtrack :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro__: yeah, but Angel had Cordelia, so...

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iamlindoro__:

I have become a little spoiled, don't watch much that's not available in HD

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sphery:

this is Buffy without SMG and Angel without Cordelia

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iamlindoro__:

And if I watch Supernatural I'll have to catch up in SD :(

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sphery:

your CW station isn't HD-res? (Or just meaning the old episodes?)

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sphery:

oh, got it

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sphery:

IMHO, SD that's never been corrupted by NTSC/PAL is actually quite good (i.e. DVD-quality 480p).

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sphery:

and, it's perfect for on-the-road viewing (because it's easy on a laptop)

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iamlindoro__:

Most 480 looks pretty repellant at 106 inches

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sphery:

projector?

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iamlindoro__:

yeah

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sphery:

I will admit that many DVD's take NTSC and digitize it without proper deint/etc. and end up with garbage, but it looks good on a 15.4" laptop screen :)

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sphery:

especially if the story is good enough to ignore the rough-around-the-edges DVD mastering

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iamlindoro__:

mythtv-vid will be exciting if some of the fancy scalers get implemented

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sphery:

yeah, and doesn't VPDAU have some (or was it just fancy deints?)

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iamlindoro__:

I know it's got ivtc which is awesome, I just don't know about the scalers

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wagnerrp:

well either mythvid needs to get updated to allow you to preset a scaler, or hopefully the driver does some sort of autodetection on its own

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iamlindoro__:

believe there was talk of it being merged pretty soon

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iamlindoro__:

So it'll likely all be an ongoing effort

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iamlindoro__:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /239581.html

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iamlindoro__:

Nice to see people madly re-reimplementing things

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iamlindoro__:

Rather than backport Mythtube, which would be pretty simple.... We get this.

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gbee:

somehow I knew Ruby would factor in even before I clicked the link, spooky

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iamlindoro__:

I wonder how many raw man hours are spent trying to backport and shoehorn trunk features into the release version between every release. *Surely* enough time and effort that, had it been directed at trunk, would have us a few releases further.

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iamlindoro__:

Best not to think about it, I guess

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gering:

sphery: I see a hint about my sound problem — The frontend logs a message telling me I didn't compile alsa support!

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fuxxy:

Are there any complications I should expect using a tuner that needs guide data from two schedulesdirect linups?

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iamlindoro__:

No.

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iamlindoro__:

Fairly normal occurrence with QAM

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fuxxy:

Okay, thanks.

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clever:

weee, nvidia drivers are broken!

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wagnerrp:

how so?

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clever:

nvidia.ko not found

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iamlindoro__:

You mean the Beta drivers that you've been experimenting with on hardware that is not explicitly supported? Yeah, I'm sure *they're* broken

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clever:

iamlindoro__: no i removed the beta drivers

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clever:

but i havent fully reinstalled the stable drivers

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wagnerrp:

you removed the drivers, and now it cant find the module.... could have seen that one coming... :P

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clever:

i properly removed the stable one first so i wouldnt break too much, but i forgot what packages there in

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clever:

wagnerrp: im trying to figure out which packages to reinstall :P

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iamlindoro__:

So yet again the brokenness that is clever is the fault of $WhateverSoftwareHesLookingAt. If I were your dad I would beat the personal responsibility into you

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LonEagle:

i've got a ground loop coming out of my myth box to my reciever – should i throw in a pci sound card with optical spdif or should i try to find a connector for the spdif header on my mobo?

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LonEagle:

it's weird, they're plugged into the same power strip, so i'm not sure how they have a ground difference

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iamlindoro__:

One of them has coax coming into it, presumably.

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clever:

oops need to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-19-generic now

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neztiti:

guys any one have twinhan remote working with 18.722 ver. with ubuntu8.10

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LonEagle:

iamlindoro__: no... hdhomerun isolates the coax on its own thing.

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LonEagle:

also, i don't have cable so whatever coax i have isn't really grounded

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fuxxy:

LonEagle, does the reciever have a grounded plug? Mine doesn't.

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LonEagle:

i suppose i could use an isolation transformer on the audio line – but it's almost as cost effective to get some optical stuff

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clever:

yeah linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-19-generic seems to have my nvidia.ko

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LonEagle:

fuxxy: no

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fuxxy:

LonEagle, so where's the stereo reciever getting it's ground?

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LonEagle:

fuxxy: i would presume through the neutral

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LonEagle:

think the computer's pulling it from safety ground?

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fuxxy:

LonEagle, IIRC, computer power supplies connect earth ground to the chassis. I'm not sure if whatever audio output you're using is also wired to earth ground or not.

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LonEagle:

that's a good question, i don't know. maybe depends on the mobo

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LonEagle:

i guess that's all academic though – easy solution is to take away the conductive path

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fuxxy:

what are you currently using? analog or coaxial digital

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LonEagle:

analog

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LonEagle:

that's all the mobo has on the ports. it has headers for spdif out but no physical stuff for it

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fuxxy:

LonEagle, i think I'd try a simple automotive ground loop isolator to start.

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LonEagle:

does that cost more than 10 bucks?

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fuxxy:

If that fixes the problem, then 1- you KNOW it's ground loop and 2- you can find the REAL cause.

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LonEagle:

cause that's how much the cheapest sound card on newegg with spdif costs

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fuxxy:

LonEagle, shouldn't

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LonEagle:

well i do know it's a ground loop :P

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LonEagle:

the heck else gives you a 60hz hum?

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iamlindoro__:

Must... resist... "Your mom" joke

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fuxxy:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=896355

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LonEagle:

iamlindoro__: classy! :D

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fuxxy:

looks like you're buying a sound card :)

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fuxxy:

13.44

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iamlindoro__:

LonEagle, Could be worse, could've just said it ;)

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LonEagle:

hehe

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fuxxy:

I have a combination frontend/backend and two more remote frontends. I thought I was going to be smart and assigned the local frontend a unique ID. Not only did this reset all my frontend configuration but now mythtv-setup somehow did not show the three tuners I have instaled (could be another cause though)

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wagnerrp:

a 'unique id'?

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iamlindoro__:

he changed hostnames

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fuxxy:

Custom Identifier for Frontend Preference

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iamlindoro__:

(or, at least, ahs the same effect)

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro__, exactly.

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fuxxy:

I didn't realize the backend used the hostname of the frontend to save preferences to.

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wagnerrp:

well you can just set it back, and get all your settings back

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wagnerrp:

or, you can do an exhaustive search and replace of one hostname with the other

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wagnerrp:

it may actually be easier to just do a mysql dump, and sed the output

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I just reconfigured the frontend again, not a big deal.

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fuxxy:

Now I just have a stale set of configuration data that's not being used.

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fuxxy:

I am curious about the backend stuff though.

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fuxxy:

just a minuite, collecting actual information instead of speculation.

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gbee:

should anyone come in here complaining that their saa7146 device doesn't work with 2.6.27 (or any recent kernel) tell them to blacklist the snd-aw2 alsa driver

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gbee:

it's grabs all saa7146 devices whether they happen to be sound cards or not

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iamlindoro__:

owwie

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gbee:

not versed in driver writing ettiquete, but that can't be good practice

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gbee:

disabled two of my DVB cards

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AndyCap:

haha fail. I guess both stupid manufacturers used id 0:0

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LonEagle:

hah. that' ssilly.

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AndyCap:

hmm, nah, seems to be slightly more complicated.

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gbee:

nope, the dvb cards are using correct ids, I think the snd-aw2 driver is at fault

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