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| [00:00:22] | bomama: | and dont use the 1600 for rescanning |
| [00:00:22] | bomama: | it's busted |
| [00:00:41] | bomama: | use the 1800 |
| [00:00:50] | Shadow_M: | whats wrong withthe 1600 |
| [00:01:02] | Shadow_M: | i has been functioning fine |
| [00:01:05] | bomama: | junk HW |
| [00:01:10] | Shadow_M: | hmm |
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| [00:04:36] | fuxxy: | I don't know about you guys, but I only have a 2–3 "locals" in clear QAM |
| [00:05:05] | fuxxy: | I've got CBS, and NBC, POSSIBLY FOX. everything else is not available. |
| [00:05:22] | bomama: | fuxxy: where you live? |
| [00:05:41] | bomama: | fuxxy: and what cableco? |
| [00:05:45] | fuxxy: | Houston, Texas |
| [00:05:51] | fuxxy: | zip 77520 |
| [00:06:17] | jams: | fuxxy thats more then I get. My channel list consists of mostly TWC commericals for itself. |
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| [00:06:47] | fuxxy: | I was under the impression that the cable companies are legally required to broadcast "locals" in ClearQAM ? |
| [00:07:02] | bomama: | fuxxy: you lying |
| [00:07:04] | jblack: | File a complaint with the FCC. |
| [00:07:23] | jblack: | cable companies are required by law to not encrypt broadcast. |
| [00:07:38] | bomama: | fuxxy: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [00:07:50] | jblack: | US ones, that is |
| [00:07:55] | fuxxy: | bomama, look closely at the zip code reported by silicondust's site. |
| [00:07:58] | bomama: | fuxxy: according to that page you get plenty in the clear |
| [00:08:06] | fuxxy: | bomama, and I don't get HALF of those. |
| [00:08:41] | bomama: | fuxxy: then you doing something wrong. I helped out your neighbor who even gets SHO |
| [00:09:06] | fuxxy: | bomama, Well, then. Care to enlighten me? |
| [00:09:20] | fuxxy: | I've only got the "Extended Basic" package |
| [00:09:24] | bomama: | fuxxy: what did you sue to scan? |
| [00:09:30] | bomama: | use* |
| [00:09:38] | fuxxy: | bomama, I used the built-in scanner in mythtv-setup |
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| [00:09:47] | bomama: | fuxxy: lol |
| [00:09:51] | fuxxy: | bomama, :) |
| [00:09:56] | bomama: | fuxxy: stop using that |
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| [00:10:05] | fuxxy: | bomama, okay? |
| [00:10:08] | bomama: | fuxxy: I'm being totally serious |
| [00:10:14] | fuxxy: | I'm up for suggestions – seriously. |
| [00:10:24] | bomama: | use scandvb from linuxtv.org |
| [00:10:33] | fuxxy: | bomama, on ATSC? |
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| [00:10:43] | bomama: | actually, iirc it might just be called 'scan' |
| [00:10:54] | bomama: | no, on QAM |
| [00:11:03] | fuxxy: | hmm. Okay, let me browse linuxtv.org |
| [00:11:34] | fuxxy: | Is it part o the dvb-apps package? or is it standalone? |
| [00:11:46] | bomama: | dvb-apps, I think |
| [00:11:55] | bomama: | or dvb-utils |
| [00:12:05] | bomama: | cant remember |
| [00:12:10] | bomama: | but it's there |
| [00:12:11] | fuxxy: | bomama, is this it? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan |
| [00:12:41] | bomama: | yup |
| [00:12:49] | bomama: | that's pretty much it |
| [00:13:02] | fuxxy: | ok, let me emerge the package and I'll brb |
| [00:13:24] | fuxxy: | hmm, my backend crashed? |
| [00:13:29] | bomama: | lol |
| [00:13:36] | fuxxy: | was watching digital, no channelsurfing, etc. |
| [00:13:41] | bomama: | fuxxy: you have other issues then :) |
| [00:13:44] | fuxxy: | heh |
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| [00:16:54] | fuxxy: | bomama, does it matter that I don't use the dvb kernel modules for my capture card? |
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| [00:17:15] | bomama: | fuxxy: what modules you use? |
| [00:17:38] | fuxxy: | bomama, ivtv for the hauppauge 150, and didn't need to use any modules for the hdhomerun. |
| [00:17:53] | bomama: | fuxxy: you have hdhomerun? |
| [00:17:58] | fuxxy: | bomama, yeah. |
| [00:18:17] | fuxxy: | just got it yesterday :) |
| [00:18:19] | bomama: | I dont have HDHR |
| [00:18:34] | bomama: | use silicondust utils then |
| [00:18:39] | fuxxy: | mmk. |
| [00:18:48] | fuxxy: | how would you do it with your card? |
| [00:18:50] | bomama: | I thought you had ATSC/QAM PCI/PICe card |
| [00:18:51] | SpaceBass: | hey folks, anyone using mythexport and intrepid? |
| [00:19:01] | bomama: | PCIe* |
| [00:20:19] | fuxxy: | bomama, okay, i'm scanning with the hdhomerun tools.. |
| [00:20:33] | fuxxy: | bomama, I could still use your help, i've never messed with digital t all. |
| [00:20:48] | bomama: | fuxxy: sorry, gotta leave soon |
| [00:21:12] | SpaceBass: | fuxxy, sorry, I'm coming in late – but have you tried antenna rather than cable? |
| [00:21:54] | fuxxy: | SpaceBass, i don't have a digital antenna (or any antenna at all) to try |
| [00:22:02] | SpaceBass: | fuxxy, ah |
| [00:22:02] | fuxxy: | I could get one, but it won't be tonight |
| [00:22:13] | SpaceBass: | thats how I use my HDHR... thought I'd ask |
| [00:22:32] | bomama: | fuxxy: there is no need to get antenna unless you REALLY want one |
| [00:22:44] | fuxxy: | I REALLY don't want to use antenna |
| [00:22:56] | fuxxy: | assuming I can get as many channels as possible with cable. |
| [00:23:07] | ** SpaceBass doesnt have cable ... so I haven't tried clearqam ** | |
| [00:23:17] | bomama: | fuxxy: you have nothing to worry about |
| [00:23:46] | bomama: | fuxxy: plenty ppl in your neighborhood even get premium channels in the clear |
| [00:24:06] | bomama: | fuxxy: you can stick it to the man while the going is good |
| [00:24:35] | fuxxy: | i wish I had a digital TV, for at least something to compare to. |
| [00:24:40] | bomama: | fuxxy: all bets are off when they satrt rolling out encryption equipment on premiums |
| [00:25:54] | fuxxy: | okay, the wife has decided I've spend enough time dicking with this today. |
| [00:26:03] | fuxxy: | thanks for the help, i'll probably be on tomorrow |
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| [00:35:41] | SpaceBass: | still working on getting mythexport running |
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| [00:36:19] | SpaceBass: | does it sound normal that transcoding – of any kind – takes up to 6 hours on a c2d 2.66ghz box? |
| [00:36:32] | SpaceBass: | sometimes more than 6 hours – upwards of 24? |
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| [00:46:09] | squish102: | how good is an xbox 360 as a frontend (uPnP)? |
| [00:47:13] | squish102: | is there any difference between it connecting to mythtv and a windows machine? |
| [00:47:18] | GreyFoxx: | crap |
| [00:47:31] | squish102: | s/and/or |
| [00:47:32] | GreyFoxx: | very limited codec and container playback |
| [00:47:39] | GreyFoxx: | and wont play mpeg2 |
| [00:47:46] | GreyFoxx: | certainly not nuv |
| [00:48:50] | squish102: | ok, so popcornhour still better then |
| [00:49:24] | GreyFoxx: | likely |
| [00:53:20] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, tried the major new firmware to evaluate changes to upnp behaviour? |
| [00:53:57] | SpaceBass: | I tried it last night – no dice |
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| [00:58:20] | GreyFoxx: | dire: When did that come out? I haven't had mine on in like 3 months except for 1 evening of Sonic the Hedgehog |
| [00:58:35] | SpaceBass: | yesterday |
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| [00:59:02] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, wednesday! or eas it yesterday? |
| [00:59:18] | directhex: | wait, it's still thursday night |
| [00:59:20] | GreyFoxx: | cool, I'll try it out this weekend then :) |
| [00:59:21] | directhex: | in theory |
| [00:59:29] | directhex: | it's a big one. |
| [00:59:38] | directhex: | like hundreds of megs big |
| [01:00:16] | GreyFoxx: | cool. I'll have to google for some info on it |
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| [01:02:32] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, any chance you saw my /msg? |
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| [01:03:19] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: turns out the drivers were working just fine last night after fixing it with nvidia-settings |
| [01:03:36] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, just don't have an answer right now :) I've been sick as a dog for the last two weeks an y changes I wanted to do before the final finishes on the video streaming got held up |
| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | there was nothing on the TV because... there literally was nothing on the TV |
| [01:03:54] | wagnerrp: | it was just showing a black background with no windows |
| [01:04:09] | wagnerrp: | i never actually bothered trying to move the mouse over there to see if it was working |
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| [01:04:35] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, ah, that's a perfectly good answer, was just wondering whether I should go with a implementation taht mimics the cover functionality or wait. Will probably just wait. |
| [01:04:51] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, hehe, well that's good news I guess :) |
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| [01:05:12] | wagnerrp: | partially good news anyway |
| [01:05:17] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 decoding works great |
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| [01:05:42] | wagnerrp: | h264 decoding just displays flashing pink and green screens |
| [01:06:01] | iamlindoro: | Youch |
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| [01:06:28] | iamlindoro: | I've had good experiences with MPEG-2 and H.264, will prod at VC-1 tomorrow once I get the new 9300-IGP board |
| [01:06:33] | wagnerrp: | or its in a mkv container, and refuses to play completely |
| [01:07:05] | wagnerrp: | about 3/4 of my ripped DVDs are in mkv, done before the ps3 got upnp support |
| [01:07:19] | GreyFoxx: | What I find odd is that ALL of the test videos played with acceleration on my 8400 |
| [01:07:41] | Chutt: | the mkv thing's probably just a packetization issue, btw |
| [01:07:50] | Chutt: | or a rtp/bitstream format |
| [01:07:58] | wagnerrp: | the test videos... meaning the ones nvidia released with the driver to show off the decoding? |
| [01:07:59] | Chutt: | ie, shouldn't be hard to fix |
| [01:08:20] | wagnerrp: | Chutt: yeah, i just attributed it to this being an initial public beta release |
| [01:08:36] | Chutt: | there's a couple different ways h264 can be stuffed into a container |
| [01:08:56] | GreyFoxx: | wag: yeah. I was thinking that the VC-1 wouldn't work on my card, but sure enough they all did |
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| [01:09:17] | wagnerrp: | oh? what card? |
| [01:09:43] | GreyFoxx: | 8400GS |
| [01:09:51] | Chutt: | that doesn't do vc1 |
| [01:09:59] | wagnerrp: | not supposed to anyway |
| [01:10:01] | GreyFoxx: | that's why I was suprised |
| [01:10:03] | Chutt: | it can't do it |
| [01:10:10] | Chutt: | period :p |
| [01:10:45] | GreyFoxx: | I swear to god. The test they listed, using the commandline from the example plays the video using the patched mplayer and 1–2% of my cpu with no visible problems |
| [01:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400 GS (G98) at PCI:3:0:0 (GPU-0) |
| [01:11:10] | wagnerrp: | it can do VC1 just fine, AFAIK its just missing hardware decompressors for the entropy encoding, however the current drivers are supposed to be all-or-nothing |
| [01:11:22] | Chutt: | bitstream parser as well |
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| [01:13:43] | GreyFoxx: | about 0.5 seconds into playback it complains that I'm too slow to play it, but it continues and plays normally |
| [01:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | 5423 mythtv 20 0 176m 52m 13m S 3 2.6 0:02.15 mplayer |
| [01:14:10] | GreyFoxx: | 3% of the cpu |
| [01:14:20] | wagnerrp: | well thats a standard mplayer error, not some part of the patch |
| [01:14:42] | GreyFoxx: | It';s the only test video to say it, and other than that it appears perfect |
| [01:14:49] | GreyFoxx: | maybe I need to find a different test sample to try |
| [01:15:17] | iamlindoro: | I've got one for you |
| [01:15:29] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet |
| [01:15:47] | iamlindoro: | It's a big 'un though, 200 MB I think |
| [01:15:53] | Chutt: | GreyFoxx, and it says that vdec is using vdpau and vo is vdpau? |
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| [01:17:41] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1263227 That's the output |
| [01:18:13] | Chutt: | funky |
| [01:18:25] | Chutt: | oh, wait, you have a g98 |
| [01:18:32] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:18:53] | wagnerrp: | you mean a 9400GS? |
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| [01:19:03] | wagnerrp: | rather than an 8400 |
| [01:19:08] | GreyFoxx: | no, It's an 8400GS according to X, and thge box I still have right here |
| [01:19:20] | GreyFoxx: | Unless they just relabeled and shipped it out :) |
| [01:19:32] | GreyFoxx: | cost me $40 off ebay. |
| [01:19:49] | Chutt: | there's two 8400gs's |
| [01:19:55] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [01:19:56] | Chutt: | stupid broken naming conventions |
| [01:20:02] | GreyFoxx: | maybe I got lucky then hehe |
| [01:20:10] | Chutt: | one's a g86 |
| [01:20:21] | Chutt: | replacement's a g98 |
| [01:20:28] | GreyFoxx: | I;ve been trying to figure out why the heck it was working :) |
| [01:20:59] | fuxxy: | I've got an hdhomerun that I scanned channels using the hdhomerun-config program. Can I do anything with this file in myth? |
| [01:21:05] | Chutt: | and the 9300gs is just a 8400gs |
| [01:21:16] | wagnerrp: | well thats retarded |
| [01:21:18] | Chutt: | (a g98 8400gs) |
| [01:21:28] | GreyFoxx: | hahahaha |
| [01:21:37] | Chutt: | it's pretty damn broken |
| [01:21:52] | GreyFoxx: | (II) NVIDIA(GPU-1): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8500 GT (G86) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-1) |
| [01:21:58] | GreyFoxx: | That's the 8500 from the same machine |
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| [01:22:12] | GreyFoxx: | here I thought the higher number was the better card :) |
| [01:22:21] | Chutt: | it's faster, sure |
| [01:22:30] | wagnerrp: | well it is... except for buggy video rendering |
| [01:22:30] | GreyFoxx: | it's feeding the projector |
| [01:22:47] | Chutt: | it's just older, so it doesn't have the vc1 hardware |
| [01:22:49] | GreyFoxx: | I'll likely swap it for something different since I'll want both to work with the new stuff |
| [01:23:33] | iamlindoro: | http://www.secondact.com/ |
| [01:23:47] | iamlindoro: | That site doesn't seem half bad, some really good HDTV prices there if you can stand a refurb |
| [01:24:17] | wagnerrp: | so i suppose the PCIe 2.0 8400s are all G98 chips |
| [01:24:30] | Chutt: | probably easier to just buy a 9300gs |
| [01:24:34] | Chutt: | guaranteed that way |
| [01:26:12] | Chutt: | at least, you'd hope so |
| [01:26:12] | Chutt: | heh |
| [01:26:33] | GreyFoxx: | hehe that would suck :) |
| [01:27:10] | wagnerrp: | well in the event i have the need for VC1 decoding, this 8400 will just end up as my secondary card in my desktop |
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| [01:29:02] | iamlindoro: | I'mma have to get a 1080p screen for upstairs at this rate |
| [01:29:53] | Chutt: | i'm surprised there wasn't more "why wasn't vaapi" used or whatnot |
| [01:30:42] | iamlindoro: | That which there is is irritating |
| [01:30:47] | iamlindoro: | There's a fair bit of it on Phoronix |
| [01:31:05] | Chutt: | ah, didn't read there |
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| [01:32:42] | fuxxy: | I've noticed – in mythtv 0.21, I set the channel seperator to a Period in mythtv-setup, and the scan just ignores what I set.. I still uses a hash instead of period. |
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| [01:35:21] | iamlindoro: | fuxxy, My experience has been that Myth only respects the seperator when it gets all the "header" info from the stream, like the callsign and the reassigned channel number. If the cable company doesn't include info like that, Myth seems to use the Hash |
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| [01:36:09] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, that makes sense. I'm not getting any channel information from the stream, they're all showing up as UNKNOWNxx#X |
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| [01:36:35] | fuxxy: | it makes it difficult to set up listings information through SD :) |
| [01:36:36] | knightrage: | how do you manually add channels? tvtime can find the channels but mythtv stops scanning after channel 13 |
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| [01:37:01] | iamlindoro: | fuxxy, Yep, I get about 40% properly named, 70% stuff-I-end-up-throwing-out |
| [01:37:05] | iamlindoro: | er 40% 60% |
| [01:37:27] | iamlindoro: | It'll only stop scanning after 13 if you used the wrong frequency table |
| [01:37:48] | iamlindoro: | Use the frequency table appropriate for your source and it'll scan the whole range |
| [01:38:01] | iamlindoro: | Broadcast = Antenna, cable = Cable, etc. |
| [01:38:01] | fuxxy: | ooh! |
| [01:38:12] | fuxxy: | it's actually picking up channel data when using QAM-64 |
| [01:38:34] | wagnerrp: | your cableco uses qam-64? |
| [01:38:43] | fuxxy: | Apparently so. |
| [01:38:48] | fuxxy: | I did 256 and 64 |
| [01:38:53] | fuxxy: | It's Comcast Houston. |
| [01:39:00] | knightrage: | wonderful. i'll try that iamlindoro |
| [01:39:16] | wagnerrp: | comcast is all about cramming as much crap in as they can |
| [01:39:29] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine they would avoid -64 like the plague |
| [01:39:29] | fuxxy: | I picked up channels using both modulation schemes, it picks up logical names, etc using 64 it appears. |
| [01:39:41] | fuxxy: | What's the difference? wiki page is fine. |
| [01:40:35] | wagnerrp: | number of symbols per baud (i assume) |
| [01:40:43] | fuxxy: | What's gonna suck is if mythtv decides to notice my preference in channel seperator characters, and I have the -256 channels with a hash, and the -64 channels with a period. |
| [01:41:13] | wagnerrp: | basically, its higher data rate, at the requirement of better signal quality |
| [01:41:33] | knightrage: | wonderful. its working |
| [01:41:57] | iamlindoro: | fuxxy, Why? The channel numbers mean nothing, you can edit them. |
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| [01:49:44] | fuxxy: | Where do I change the call sign information in the OSD on the channels that show up as "UNKNOWN"? |
| [01:50:22] | wagnerrp: | channel editor |
| [01:50:37] | iamlindoro: | In the channel editor |
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| [02:06:58] | fuxxy: | Is there a way to import the hdhomerun_config scanfile into mythtv? |
| [02:07:17] | fuxxy: | the scanfile seems to find MUCH MUCH more channels than myth's scan. |
| [02:07:36] | SpaceBass: | hey guys – how do I set up a job to auto run on every show recorded ? |
| [02:07:54] | SpaceBass: | I suspect my google fu is just off tonight but I cannot seem to find anything other than auto transcode using mythtranscode |
| [02:08:59] | iamlindoro: | Set up a job, edit the recording rule, tick the box for your job |
| [02:09:09] | iamlindoro: | That's the fast "Mythweb" way |
| [02:09:15] | iamlindoro: | er "mythweb way" |
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| [02:10:11] | SpaceBass: | cool – thanks |
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| [02:10:25] | SpaceBass: | knew I had seen it somewhere – that must have been it... 'pricate it |
| [02:11:56] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:12:08] | SpaceBass: | got mythexport working – pretty impressive |
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| [02:18:18] | d0netsFN: | anyone recommend a good tuner ? |
| [02:18:23] | d0netsFN: | im making my xmas list |
| [02:18:42] | SpaceBass: | Sillicone Dust HDhomerun |
| [02:18:59] | SpaceBass: | d0netsFN, its a networked tuner with two inputs – $169 on amazon.com |
| [02:19:12] | wagnerrp: | if you only want digital, and you dont mind paying a bit extra, the HDHR is a fantastic tuner |
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| [02:19:16] | iamlindoro: | Would probably be advisable to ask him where he lives/what he intends to capture... |
| [02:19:35] | SpaceBass: | yeah – sorry...I'm pretty new to this game :) |
| [02:19:50] | d0netsFN: | i meant a tv tuner for my pc |
| [02:19:58] | d0netsFN: | so use pc as dvr and such |
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| [02:20:08] | d0netsFN: | and stream to my phone and or laptop |
| [02:20:10] | wagnerrp: | digital or analog, US or european? |
| [02:20:15] | d0netsFN: | US |
| [02:20:29] | d0netsFN: | and i have direct tv |
| [02:20:36] | wagnerrp: | so analog then |
| [02:20:47] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [02:20:47] | wagnerrp: | does DTV offer firewire STBs? |
| [02:20:55] | d0netsFN: | not sure |
| [02:20:56] | ** d0netsFN googles ** | |
| [02:20:59] | SpaceBass: | wagnerrp, pretty sure they do not |
| [02:21:15] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [02:21:26] | SpaceBass: | curious, does the BlackMagic hdmi capture thing work? or does DTV use HDCP? |
| [02:21:27] | wagnerrp: | d0netsFN: anyway, pick up an old PVR-150/500 off ebay |
| [02:21:38] | d0netsFN: | ok what about the 1000 |
| [02:21:46] | iamlindoro: | Yes, STBs put out HDMI with HDCP, and the Blackmagic works only in windows, and poorly at that |
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| [02:22:05] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD capture, your only choice is an HDPVR and mythtv trunk |
| [02:23:05] | d0netsFN: | do you recommend an internal card or what |
| [02:23:37] | wagnerrp: | if you want SD, get a PVR-150/500 off ebay (internal card) |
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| [02:23:47] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD, get an HDPVR (external box) |
| [02:24:01] | wagnerrp: | either way, youre going to be doing analog capture off your satellite STB |
| [02:24:52] | d0netsFN: | well i dont have HD right now |
| [02:25:00] | d0netsFN: | but i would prolly upgrade if i got the tuner that could record it |
| [02:25:01] | d0netsFN: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116016 |
| [02:25:04] | d0netsFN: | so dont get that? |
| [02:25:08] | d0netsFN: | it says high definition |
| [02:25:11] | d0netsFN: | and its a tripple tuner |
| [02:25:30] | wagnerrp: | thats a dual tuner |
| [02:25:34] | wagnerrp: | analog and digital |
| [02:25:42] | wagnerrp: | the 'third tuner' is radio, so that doesnt really count |
| [02:25:54] | d0netsFN: | oh i see |
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| [02:26:04] | wagnerrp: | that would be satisfactory for analog capture, if it worked in mythtv |
| [02:26:05] | d0netsFN: | hrmm so i want one with 2 analogs? |
| [02:26:43] | wagnerrp: | the digital tuner is for ATSC and QAM |
| [02:26:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning broadcast digital and cable |
| [02:27:10] | wagnerrp: | you are not going to use a tuner card, just a capture card |
| [02:27:11] | d0netsFN: | so not sat. |
| [02:27:20] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [02:27:27] | wagnerrp: | however you want an mpeg encoder, which only come in tuner cards |
| [02:27:47] | wagnerrp: | so pick up a PVR-150 or PVR-500 (single and dual capture) off ebay, or anywhere else you can find them |
| [02:28:02] | wagnerrp: | hook them into the svideo outs on your STBs |
| [02:28:17] | wagnerrp: | and use IR blasters to control the STBs from the computer |
| [02:28:53] | d0netsFN: | whats an stb |
| [02:29:04] | wagnerrp: | stb = set top box |
| [02:29:09] | wagnerrp: | your satellite receiver |
| [02:29:56] | d0netsFN: | i see |
| [02:30:11] | raptor85: | asked this here yesterday but the channel was pretty dead, anyone else have an issue lately with mythmusic only finishing up it's current song then not going to the next when mythtv's X session is in the background? |
| [02:30:17] | d0netsFN: | shiese that pvr500 is spensive |
| [02:30:19] | d0netsFN: | does it do hd? |
| [02:30:43] | wagnerrp: | no, its a dual analog tuner/capture-card |
| [02:31:05] | wagnerrp: | standard definition only |
| [02:32:50] | wagnerrp: | the 150 and 500 are no longer produced, so theyre a bit hard to find |
| [02:33:02] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [02:33:16] | d0netsFN: | ok well what if i wanted the HD in the future? |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | for ATSC (broadcast digital), theres any number of tuners you can use |
| [02:33:57] | iamlindoro: | One more time, and just to be clear, the ONLY device you will be capturing HD from your Satellite box with is a Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [02:34:07] | iamlindoro: | ONLY DEVICE |
| [02:34:07] | wagnerrp: | if you want to capture HD off your satellite, you have to get an HDPVR |
| [02:34:19] | wagnerrp: | its a component capture box |
| [02:34:43] | wagnerrp: | one input, encodes to h.264 |
| [02:34:50] | iamlindoro: | Which is currently only working in the development branch of myth, which means compiling it yourself. |
| [02:34:54] | iamlindoro: | Or waiting until the next release. |
| [02:35:06] | iamlindoro: | (and likely at least compiling the driver then) |
| [02:35:22] | wagnerrp: | and a considerable processor to decode, or wait until VDPAU becomes functional |
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| [02:36:54] | d0netsFN: | what is vdpau |
| [02:37:12] | wagnerrp: | recently released hardware accelerated decoding on nvidia 8-series or better cards |
| [02:37:28] | wagnerrp: | but its only in beta, and has no software support yet |
| [02:38:29] | d0netsFN: | i see |
| [02:38:31] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [02:38:42] | ** d0netsFN scratches head ** | |
| [02:43:29] | dustybin: | is there a such thing as a 8 series nvidia AGP card? |
| [02:44:06] | dustybin: | (what is VDPAU capable) |
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| [02:47:38] | ** iamlindoro sighs and prepares to teach the english kid english ** | |
| [02:47:55] | iamlindoro: | "What is VDPAU capable" is different from "which is VDPAU capable" |
| [02:48:19] | iamlindoro: | Even your countrymen think that kind of talk is dumb sounding. |
| [02:48:21] | wagnerrp: | AGP, no... PCI, yes |
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| [02:48:44] | wagnerrp: | and PCI *should* be plenty sufficient, since youll be sending it compressed video |
| [02:48:53] | wagnerrp: | but dont quote me on that |
| [02:49:47] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: you mean PCI-E ? |
| [02:50:17] | iamlindoro: | No. |
| [02:50:29] | iamlindoro: | Because had he meant PCIe, he would have said, I dunno... PCIe |
| [02:51:00] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I have my doubts about how PCI card will handle VDPAU, but they're based on hunches and feelings alone |
| [02:51:10] | dustybin: | how odd, I would of thought there would of been a AGP variant rather than a PCI variant, PCI gfx cards are hard to come by |
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| [02:51:40] | iamlindoro: | Only if you never leave your house |
| [02:51:43] | dustybin: | i think by the time it all settles down, ill be using PCIe then anyhow |
| [02:51:49] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: haha you can talk! |
| [02:52:15] | wagnerrp: | AGP is no longer being used, PCI still is |
| [02:52:26] | wagnerrp: | and there are still boards being produced with only PCI ports |
| [02:52:26] | iamlindoro: | I can talk. What with my having a job that I go to daily, the 50–60 miles I run a week, etc. |
| [02:52:37] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and a home of my own. |
| [02:52:39] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: your always here!! |
| [02:52:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: seriously, one would think you were too out of breath to talk |
| [02:53:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i been applying for jobs everyday, im also a member of my local gym |
| [02:53:52] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, I'm always joined, I'm not always at the computer. Big difference. |
| [02:54:14] | ** dustybin feels belittled ** | |
| [02:54:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, but not too out of breath to type |
| [02:55:28] | dustybin: | good read: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1 |
| [02:56:08] | iamlindoro: | It was a good read four or five days ago when it came out |
| [02:59:12] | iamlindoro: | Not to minimize the video playback portions of VDPAU, but I'm equally excited if not more so about the possibilities of it as an assist to commflagging/etc |
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| [03:00:40] | iamlindoro: | I'm gonna find myself all dressed up with nowhere to go with this giganto processor on my backend |
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| [03:02:23] | jedi__: | should we be fortunate enough to have a "problem" like that. |
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| [03:08:31] | jedi__: | Just my luck, they announce this the day after I put my quad core system together. OTOH, I lucked on in picking a good video card. |
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| [03:27:37] | LanUser: | Hello – make crashes when I compile with "--enable-proc-opt", this is what the crash looks like -> http://www.pastebin.ca/1263291 |
| [03:28:24] | LanUser: | a little googling leads me to believe that if I disable -DPIC & -fPIC the error will go away, but how do I disable those? |
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| [03:45:20] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, pushing daisies canceled, bastards |
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| [03:55:33] | LanUser: | I figured out how to disable -fpic and -dpic but now I'm getting another make error |
| [03:55:40] | LanUser: | /usr/include/qt3/qsqlquery.h:56: error: forward declaration of const struct QSqlDriver |
| [03:55:49] | Anduin: | LanUser: Those are standard qmake shared library flags, while possible to remove (and it will free a register), it probably isn't worth the effort. |
| [03:56:55] | LanUser: | I'm getting the errors when using "--enable-proc-opt", does it pay to use "--enable-proc-opt" ? |
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| [03:57:03] | Dagmar: | Next you could learn how to poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick |
| [03:57:11] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: dont worry, you can still watch Knight Rider |
| [03:57:27] | Anduin: | LanUser: It can, but usually no. |
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| [03:58:03] | LanUser: | Anduin: does not using "--enable-proc-opt" mean that I won't benefit from processer specific stuff like multi-cores? |
| [03:58:26] | Dagmar: | Multi-core doesn't much matter at binary creation time |
| [03:58:33] | wagnerrp: | multithreaded applications benefit from multiple cores |
| [03:58:38] | Dagmar: | ...and very little is multi-threaded. |
| [03:58:42] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with any special optimizations |
| [03:59:02] | Dagmar: | Stop passing the other CFLAGS you're trying to pass. |
| [03:59:28] | Dagmar: | ...and pass --cpu=i686 (or whatever you're using) ONLY. |
| [03:59:32] | wagnerrp: | if you really cared about processor optimizations, you would buy a copy of the intel compilers |
| [03:59:37] | Dagmar: | ...then you can use --enable-proc-opt. |
| [03:59:44] | Dagmar: | If you specify more than just --cpu the thing fails horribly. |
| [03:59:58] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, just set the basic cpu, O2 or O3, and be done with it |
| [04:00:47] | LanUser: | I wasn't using anything with ./configure, and just tried "--enable-proc-opt" because the of the suggestion about HDTV |
| [04:01:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Ex-freakin'-zactly. UGH |
| [04:01:19] | Dagmar: | Man, if you're having problems with x264 media or something, the only useful thing you can do is spend money on MOAR MEGAHUTZ |
| [04:01:35] | iamlindoro: | Apparently it's the opposite sketches because PD has been canceled and KNIGHT RIDER IS RENEWED |
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| [04:02:08] | wagnerrp: | my sister said something about the writers continuing the store in a comic book, to finish out the plot |
| [04:02:12] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Too many people voted for Obama. Clearly the media outlets aren't working hard enough to make people stupid. |
| [04:02:16] | wagnerrp: | s/store/story/ |
| [04:02:25] | Anduin: | They are doing cast changes and making it more realistic according to someone (Knight Rider), I'm sure that will make it better. |
| [04:03:11] | Anduin: | and an entertainment reported said comic book with hope for a movie (PD) |
| [04:03:23] | shadash: | how can it get worse? |
| [04:03:26] | iamlindoro: | You mean like losing the car, dropping all the actors, and setting it in a magical world where "michael Knight" brings people back from the dead with a touch? 'Cause I'd watch that. |
| [04:03:28] | wagnerrp: | realistic? they already have a hideous car that turns into a truck |
| [04:03:29] | Dagmar: | hahaha |
| [04:03:39] | Dagmar: | shadash: They can add sharks. |
| [04:03:59] | wagnerrp: | with fricken laser beams attached to their heads? |
| [04:04:01] | Dagmar: | ...and KITT can jump them. |
| [04:04:26] | Dagmar: | You know, in his new hydro-aquatic form |
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| [04:04:41] | shadash: | all that car needs is some lime green or pink aftermarket winshield wipers and some plastic "spinner" hubcaps |
| [04:04:54] | Dagmar: | Hydraulic shocks. |
| [04:05:15] | shadash: | It's amazing how ugly they made a very cool car |
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| [04:05:31] | wagnerrp: | wasnt the whole purpose of the original KITT that except for the lights in the front, it looked like an otherwise normal car? |
| [04:05:45] | shadash: | yep but kinda cool |
| [04:05:45] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [04:05:46] | LanUser: | are the current multi core Intel processors i686? |
| [04:05:51] | Dagmar: | It was supposed to be a seekrit |
| [04:05:54] | wagnerrp: | similarly, the whole purpose of the original viper was that in normal mode, it looked like a normal viper |
| [04:05:58] | Dagmar: | LanUser: Yes. |
| [04:06:12] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Yeah, that was awesome |
| [04:06:21] | wagnerrp: | LanUser: everything since the P1 MMX has been i686 |
| [04:06:42] | wagnerrp: | although if you want, you could also use x86_64 |
| [04:06:52] | Dagmar: | Except for the VIA C3, which was iCrapola |
| [04:06:53] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the cpu tag for that is off hand though |
| [04:06:59] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre running 64-bit |
| [04:07:12] | Dagmar: | If he's running 64-bit he can just stop bothering. |
| [04:07:15] | shadash: | I'm trying to remaster a RHEL 4.6 x86_64 dvd |
| [04:07:33] | wagnerrp: | remaster? you dont 'master' a data disk |
| [04:07:36] | shadash: | It's fighting me every step of the way |
| [04:07:45] | Dagmar: | The optimization tests that are triggered barely handle 32-bit environments properly. |
| [04:07:57] | wagnerrp: | you 'master' video DVDs for standardized playback |
| [04:07:59] | shadash: | no I mean remaster with a custom install sequence and added software |
| [04:08:23] | Dagmar: | shadash: There's this thing called Kickstart you should look into. |
| [04:08:39] | shadash: | I've already got kickstart working |
| [04:08:42] | LanUser: | If I run ./configure without --cpu=i686 it detects my CPU, is it better to use cpu=i686 than letting configure detect it? |
| [04:09:03] | ** J-e-f-f-A_ has Kickstart 3.1 on his Amiga... ;-) ** | |
| [04:09:04] | shadash: | but I need to remaster the iso to add more software |
| [04:09:10] | wagnerrp: | it probably reverts to i386 without it |
| [04:09:28] | shadash: | and put the kickstart file on the .iso itself |
| [04:10:27] | Dagmar: | LanUser: What it does, barely works, and only affects the included parts of ffmpeg. |
| [04:10:59] | Dagmar: | LanUser: If you want to find out what different things it does, build it all the way through both ways, making a log of each and compare them. |
| [04:11:21] | LanUser: | ok, thanks, sorry to be a pain, just trying to glean any bit of of performance I can |
| [04:11:48] | Dagmar: | Then take my word for it and just stick with those two flags. |
| [04:11:56] | LanUser: | will do |
| [04:11:59] | Dagmar: | The code that sets the optimization options is very, very fragile. |
| [04:12:26] | Dagmar: | I started to clean it up and then figured out how to get around it's malfunctioning |
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| [04:13:33] | Dagmar: | ...and there's not much point in trying to fix that since the code from ffmpeg had changed heavily, so anyting I fixed would just become a BIG nightmare for someone later on when they do a new grab from ffmpeg |
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| [04:45:20] | iamlindoro: | Heh, 7–11 to carry video games... Hmm, 24 hour video game purchases for those 2 AM fixes |
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| [05:19:20] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... with the new upstairs frontend coming, it may be time to add Ye Olde Kitchen Frontend |
| [05:20:39] | iamlindoro: | Would need some under-cabinet mounting jiggery pokery |
| [05:21:33] | wagnerrp: | just mount a monitor under the cabinet, with another dell inside said cabinet |
| [05:21:51] | iamlindoro: | Actually, it'll likely be the existing Dell |
| [05:21:57] | wagnerrp: | how much heat does that thing put out? |
| [05:22:04] | iamlindoro: | minimal |
| [05:22:11] | iamlindoro: | not even warm to the touch ATM |
| [05:22:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean under load, the hardware should be capable of ~80W |
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| [05:22:45] | iamlindoro: | It's closer to 45 W under load from what I've read |
| [05:24:39] | iamlindoro: | ISTR that from Part two of the YouTube "Dell Studio Hybrid Deep Dive"... make of that what you will |
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| [05:27:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, its a 'T' model |
| [05:27:24] | wagnerrp: | 35W TDP |
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| [05:28:22] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, have never noticed it warm, but most of the heat is probably dispersing out the back |
| [05:28:53] | iamlindoro: | Very nice Little Box, might make it back upstairs if Intel even gives us anything remotely similar to VDPAU (hahahahhaahah) |
| [05:29:13] | iamlindoro: | s/even/ever/ |
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| [05:31:12] | wagnerrp: | is that an X3100? |
| [05:31:17] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [05:32:24] | wagnerrp: | well you get mpeg2, and partial vc1 (MC), but no h264 |
| [05:32:34] | wagnerrp: | only the 4500 has that |
| [05:33:11] | wagnerrp: | unless of course they program it into the shaders |
| [05:33:24] | iamlindoro: | Using their stuff, yeah. May get some... exactly |
| [05:33:33] | wagnerrp: | that might make it into gallium 3d... (*cough*) |
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| [05:35:46] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if any of the many GPU accel projects are feeling demoralized ATM |
| [05:36:21] | iamlindoro: | Still wouldn't mind seeing the frame based multithread stuff go somewhere, that would solve the Hybrid issue right quick |
| [05:37:13] | iamlindoro: | Wonder if the XBMC folks have Python'ed themselves up a VDPAU interface yet |
| [05:37:20] | wagnerrp: | a frame based multithreading framework is still very useful |
| [05:37:46] | wagnerrp: | since you would be laying the framework for any subsequent codec you wanted to decode in software |
| [05:37:58] | iamlindoro: | I am well aware |
| [05:39:26] | wagnerrp: | it would be nice to have older hardware supported by a shader based decoder |
| [05:39:52] | wagnerrp: | but at the moment, i see any further work into that as merely a coding exercise for personal knowledge |
| [05:40:50] | wagnerrp: | does ATI have an analogue to CUDA? or do their GPGPU units just use shader language? |
| [05:41:04] | knightrage: | hey guys. where is the channels.conf stored after running dvbscan? |
| [05:41:19] | iamlindoro: | The latter I believe |
| [05:41:32] | iamlindoro: | OMG, my grandmother just added me on facebook |
| [05:42:31] | knightrage: | nm |
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| [05:44:52] | EnderTheThird: | Strange question. How can I make Mythweb rescan/generate thumbnails for the Recordings page? I think it tried to find them when i hadn't restored my database yet, so they're not showing up for most of my recordings |
| [05:45:21] | wagnerrp: | your grandmother uses facebook? |
| [05:45:29] | iamlindoro: | apparently she does now |
| [05:45:32] | wagnerrp: | one of mine doesnt have internet |
| [05:45:47] | wagnerrp: | the other one has DSL for her $400 solitare machine |
| [05:46:01] | iamlindoro: | My gramma has a Mac Mini, works for her |
| [05:46:08] | iamlindoro: | and keeps me from fixing |
| [05:46:22] | EnderTheThird: | Heh, I hear that. I built a box for my grandma. She uses it for solitaire and chain mail from her cousin. |
| [05:46:48] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird, Go into your recordings dir and rm all the PNGs, then go back to the recorded page |
| [05:48:51] | EnderTheThird: | Didn't work. |
| [05:48:59] | EnderTheThird: | Unless there was more to it... |
| [05:49:22] | EnderTheThird: | Nope, I lied. There they are. |
| [05:49:31] | EnderTheThird: | Thank you much. |
| [05:49:38] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:51:01] | EnderTheThird: | So I signed up for Netflix because of the new Xbox 360 update. HD streaming looks very nice. |
| [05:51:26] | EnderTheThird: | Only problem is it's not DD5.1. Not a huge deal for something like 30 Rock, but it's a bummer for Heroes. |
| [05:53:50] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: I finally got my mom off of winders, and into linux. She loves it!!! :) ....and I no longer have to remove all her viruses anymore. :) |
| [05:54:00] | t0ny-p40: | Those usb ports on the back of plasma tvs can they be used for anything other then firmware upgrades? Like control? |
| [05:54:55] | iamlindoro: | t0ny-p40, Depends on the TV, can sometime be used for Photo slideshows/music playing, but fairly infrequently for control (how I miss serial ports) |
| [05:55:10] | Lexridge: | doubt the control |
| [05:55:38] | Lexridge: | serial ports are certainly better for that. :) |
| [05:55:49] | t0ny-p40: | I just picked up a 32" plasma from walmart for $477 :) |
| [05:56:07] | t0ny-p40: | I've see a few HP plasma tvs with serial. |
| [05:56:23] | Lexridge: | didn't realize they made plasma tvs that small. wow!! |
| [05:56:42] | t0ny-p40: | 30,000:1 contrast ratio too :) |
| [05:56:45] | iamlindoro: | t0ny-p40, What model? |
| [05:56:50] | Lexridge: | at what resolution? |
| [05:56:53] | t0ny-p40: | VP322HDTV10A |
| [05:56:56] | t0ny-p40: | 720p |
| [05:57:01] | jams: | 32" is the smallest they make plasma's |
| [05:57:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.secondact.com/category/promo <- just found these guys today, they do all refurbs and overstock-- a few obscene prices in there if you're in the market. |
| [05:58:42] | iamlindoro: | Couple of 40 Inch 1080ps in there for right around 700. |
| [05:58:49] | iamlindoro: | (Samsung IIRC) |
| [05:59:33] | wagnerrp: | 52" refurb for $1150 doesnt sound that hot |
| [05:59:40] | Lexridge: | I've seen the Sharp 52" models LCDs for as little as $1300. Only 4" thick!! |
| [05:59:54] | Lexridge: | and not refurbed. |
| [05:59:57] | wagnerrp: | but a 52" refurb for $1350 with a 5-yr in-home warranty sounds pretty damn good |
| [06:00:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Judging the whole site by the thing they plaster on the front isn't exactly fair. |
| [06:00:23] | t0ny-p40: | Could my box with a 2.1GHz cpu and a nvidia fx 5200 card handle hd from a cable boxes firewire? |
| [06:00:38] | wagnerrp: | 2.1GHz, is that an AM2 chip? |
| [06:00:50] | t0ny-p40: | No athlon xp |
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| [06:00:52] | wagnerrp: | or an old Xp |
| [06:00:54] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [06:01:01] | t0ny-p40: | some what old :/ |
| [06:01:02] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [06:01:13] | t0ny-p40: | is that lol a no? :P |
| [06:01:13] | iamlindoro: | Then doubtful-- if that 2.1 were an AM2 or C2d, then yes, it would be fine for US broadcast |
| [06:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but hes got a 5200 |
| [06:01:50] | wagnerrp: | if the processor cant handle it, you may be able to get XvMC working |
| [06:02:02] | wagnerrp: | although there are some limitations of playback through XvMC |
| [06:04:09] | Lexridge: | my old 939 x2 4200 handles HD pretty well, when combined with my also old Nvidia 6800/512. Only if I had an HD-PVR it could be better. |
| [06:04:27] | Lexridge: | damn, I need an upgrade soon ;) |
| [06:04:32] | iamlindoro: | If you had an HD-PVR that system would choke to death |
| [06:04:51] | Lexridge: | probably |
| [06:05:07] | t0ny-p40: | I need a job or some money. |
| [06:05:08] | wagnerrp: | a 4200 is... 2.4GHz? it MAY handle the lower/default bitrates for the HD-PVR |
| [06:05:09] | t0ny-p40: | Bah. |
| [06:05:17] | wagnerrp: | default is 8mbit isnt it? |
| [06:05:28] | Lexridge: | really? that is all? |
| [06:05:32] | iamlindoro: | Depends on Myth and the resolution. |
| [06:05:43] | iamlindoro: | Default in linux is 6 |
| [06:06:13] | iamlindoro: | default for 480 in Myth is 6–8, 720 8–10ish, 1080 10–13, all VBR IIRC |
| [06:06:29] | iamlindoro: | Those are close approximations anyway |
| [06:07:38] | Lexridge: | well, my HVR-1600 can do 15Mb/s with no problems in HD, off air of course. What is the HD-PVR capable of doing? |
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| [06:08:01] | wagnerrp: | your HVR-1600 doesnt do anything |
| [06:08:02] | iamlindoro: | 13.5. But we are talking apples and aircraft carriers there. |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | its just copies what the broadcaster gives it |
| [06:08:17] | wagnerrp: | meaning up to ~19Mbps |
| [06:08:18] | iamlindoro: | Your HVR-1600 bears no relation to what is captured by the HD-PVR. |
| [06:09:11] | Lexridge: | exactly, that is why I asked the question. Using component inputs, what bitrate is the HD-PVR able to do? |
| [06:09:12] | t0ny-p40: | I think I can get a HVR-1600 from where I volunteer :) |
| [06:09:18] | iamlindoro: | 13.5. Again. |
| [06:09:27] | t0ny-p40: | If my system could handle it. |
| [06:09:37] | t0ny-p40: | We have two of them in a few office computers. |
| [06:10:01] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: again, bitrate is not directly comparable |
| [06:10:06] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 spits out mpeg2 |
| [06:10:15] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR spits out h264 |
| [06:10:24] | Lexridge: | okay, I get it. |
| [06:10:26] | iamlindoro: | and complex encoded single sliced h.264 at that. |
| [06:10:33] | Lexridge: | forgot about the h264 codec |
| [06:11:05] | Lexridge: | unforch, us broadcasters will never legally see h264 over the air. :( |
| [06:11:32] | iamlindoro: | Not sure what you mean by "legally", h.264 was added to the ATSC spec in the latest revision. |
| [06:11:36] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there recently an addendum to ATSC allowing for h264 |
| [06:11:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yep |
| [06:12:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, seems you beat me to it |
| [06:12:12] | Lexridge: | could be, but I've not seen it. AFAIK, h264 is not availble in now-for-sale US televisions. |
| [06:12:30] | wagnerrp: | correct, thats the big issue with adding it |
| [06:12:37] | wagnerrp: | the whole catch-22 |
| [06:12:55] | wagnerrp: | although anymore, it should be next to nothing to add a decoder |
| [06:13:12] | Lexridge: | should be nothing more than a firmware update. |
| [06:13:39] | wagnerrp: | considering nvidia is selling cards through 3-rd party manufacturers at $30 that can do it |
| [06:13:56] | wagnerrp: | there is no way a firmware update could add h264 support |
| [06:14:06] | wagnerrp: | those decoders are hardcoded ASICs |
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| [06:14:23] | Lexridge: | wanna bet? |
| [06:14:28] | wagnerrp: | the only way a 'firmware' could do such a thing is if they used FPGAs |
| [06:14:41] | wagnerrp: | and then its not a firmware, its a complete reconfiguration of the actual chip |
| [06:15:18] | Lexridge: | Every thing we have purchased is h264 capable, with a firmware update.....NOTE: Not available in the USA. Imagine that. |
| [06:15:54] | wagnerrp: | thats like saying 'i want to play h264 video on the rage128 chip on my laptop. it already can decode mpeg2. if i just update the firmware, it can decode h264 too!' |
| [06:16:48] | Lexridge: | that is not what I mean. but you are correct. Hardware is hardware. the stuff we bought has all the hardware there to do h264, but the license doesnt unlock it. |
| [06:17:11] | wagnerrp: | thats commercial broadcast equipment, not consumer TVs |
| [06:17:27] | t0ny-p40: | Can I restart X like the "ctrl+alt+backspace" from the command line? |
| [06:17:38] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:17:40] | wagnerrp: | but |
| [06:17:51] | wagnerrp: | if you ran startx from that command line, hit ctrl-c |
| [06:18:01] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, run 'killall X' |
| [06:18:06] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yup, you are correct again. :) |
| [06:18:34] | t0ny-p40: | well poo. My keyboard is like 5 feet from me... |
| [06:18:36] | t0ny-p40: | lol |
| [06:18:43] | t0ny-p40: | I cant reach... |
| [06:19:38] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: are you suggesting that consumer television will soon "legally" have the h264 decoders built into them? |
| [06:19:39] | wagnerrp: | what are you typing on? |
| [06:20:03] | t0ny-p40: | wagnerrp, they keyboard for my mythbox. |
| [06:20:23] | wagnerrp: | t0ny-p40: the one youre trying to kill X on? |
| [06:20:53] | t0ny-p40: | my mythbox is the one I was trying to reset x. I just rebooted it. |
| [06:21:12] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: it was added to the ATSC spec a few months ago, figure another year or so before that gets ratified, and then depending on the wording, it may be required for ATSC certified players |
| [06:21:27] | Lexridge: | interestin! |
| [06:21:42] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea, ive not read the spec, nor do i plan to |
| [06:21:49] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i was saying its somewhat of a catch-22 |
| [06:21:55] | Lexridge: | interesting I will look into that, because h264 would be warp speed better. |
| [06:22:07] | wagnerrp: | no one adds h264 support for their TVs, because there are no stations that broadcast it |
| [06:22:32] | wagnerrp: | conversely, no stations broadcast it, because no one can play it, and they want to use their bandwidth elsewhere |
| [06:23:10] | Lexridge: | Well, the europeans do. So, why build the same hardware twice. I would think all tvs marketed in both the US and europe should be capable. |
| [06:23:46] | wagnerrp: | i imagine they have different tuner boards, that are just swapped in as necessary |
| [06:23:55] | Lexridge: | possibly. |
| [06:23:58] | iamlindoro: | The obvious solution would be a hardware transcoder box |
| [06:24:06] | iamlindoro: | not unlike the DTV converters |
| [06:24:08] | wagnerrp: | the rest of the tv is identical, but the tuner/decoder is separate |
| [06:24:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: and then you have to go through the whole debacle of making everyone buy yet ANOTHER box to play TV on their almost brand new TVs |
| [06:24:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Yep. Life sucks. |
| [06:25:08] | iamlindoro: | Just need a carrot. Add 1080p to ATSC 2.1. |
| [06:25:24] | Lexridge: | however, transcoding is cpu intensive. I would think since in europe, both MPEG and H264 are common, it would be cheaper to build both into a single tuner. |
| [06:25:39] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, going forward, yes. This is for backwards compatibility. |
| [06:26:24] | iamlindoro: | Sell a $25 box to existing television owners that passes through the MPEg-2 and transcodes h.264 to MPEG-2 when encountered. Transcoding is *general purpose* CPU intesive, it's simple for dedicated circuits. |
| [06:26:25] | Lexridge: | scratching my chin on that comment, but I will give that one to you. ;) |
| [06:26:47] | wagnerrp: | transcoders are only intensive for software |
| [06:27:05] | Lexridge: | yes, hardware is certainly better. |
| [06:27:44] | wagnerrp: | put a demodulator, decoder, encoder, and modulater on one board, and it might cost you $5 once the engineering overhead is accounted for |
| [06:28:20] | wagnerrp: | or you forgo the second have, and give it video outputs like the current DTV STBs |
| [06:28:42] | wagnerrp: | s/have/half |
| [06:29:35] | Lexridge: | I have been in broadcasting for 26 years, and I have learned more about HDTV this year than all years combined...and I'm not sure of everything. It really is very confusing, especially at the broadcast level. |
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| [06:30:44] | Lexridge: | I got into an argument with a trainer from Omneon last week that insisted that 720p was a 4:3 format. Doh!!! Even the sellers are confused! |
| [06:32:22] | Lexridge: | quite frankly, it is sad when they do not even know what format they are selling you! |
| [06:32:39] | wagnerrp: | 720p may only come in 16:9, but 1080i is certainly a 4:3 format |
| [06:32:41] | creol: | hey all! I got a question... My Mythtv decided to playback all recording too fast. Even recordings that I watched last night that played normally. It does not effect videos just tv recordings.. Any suggestions? |
| [06:33:13] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: that is a joke, right? |
| [06:33:22] | wagnerrp: | creol: mythtv has a time compression method |
| [06:33:28] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, He's quite correct. |
| [06:33:39] | Lexridge: | please explain |
| [06:33:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont know where the default settings are, but you can change it directly in the 'm' menu |
| [06:33:57] | iamlindoro: | There's a reason HD formats are reckoned by their vertical height. Because they have multiple horizontal resolutions. |
| [06:34:00] | wagnerrp: | 1440x1080 is broadcast, if infrequently |
| [06:34:06] | iamlindoro: | 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 |
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| [06:34:38] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of it being used over here, but it gets used a fair bit in DVB countries |
| [06:34:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, DirecTV uses it |
| [06:34:55] | creol: | @wagnerrp im checking that now |
| [06:35:24] | wagnerrp: | creol: im not sure what its called off hand, ive never used it |
| [06:36:01] | Lexridge: | 1440x1080 would be 4:3, however it is not a common format. Perhaps some old tv shows ie "Star Trek" might be converted to HD in this manner, but not common as of yet. |
| [06:36:26] | wagnerrp: | ah, 'Time stretch', in the playback groups |
| [06:36:35] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, the frequency with which something appears has nothing to do with it existing. |
| [06:37:55] | Lexridge: | yea, hence the widescreen mpeg bit. I know about that. Well, there you have it....throw the IT manager at HDTV and confusion starts bigtime. |
| [06:37:58] | creol: | I just tried time stretch, but that is not right either. the high pitch "chipmonks" just talk sloweer but still high pitched. |
| [06:38:34] | iamlindoro: | If you have chipmunks sounds like you messed with audio sampling rates |
| [06:38:56] | Lexridge: | yea, you should not have chipmunk sounds. |
| [06:39:01] | iamlindoro: | Like something silly like editing recording profiles and cranking the sampling rate up assuming it would be better. |
| [06:39:12] | iamlindoro: | (It's not) |
| [06:39:48] | t0ny-p40: | Nice my mom just walked in my room and tripped over my external drive and unplugged it. Now my vm with my homework wont boot... |
| [06:40:24] | ruskie: | fuuuunnn |
| [06:40:46] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: what is the "+" rating on your amd box? |
| [06:40:54] | t0ny-p40: | +? |
| [06:41:04] | bomama: | 3200+? |
| [06:41:15] | t0ny-p40: | maybe I dont remeber. |
| [06:41:32] | t0ny-p40: | any way to find out? /proc/cpuinfo does not say. |
| [06:41:55] | bomama: | pastebin contents of /proc/cpuinfo |
| [06:41:56] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: FOX network is 720p. Are they not 16:9 format? |
| [06:42:22] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: ^^^ |
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| [06:43:04] | t0ny-p40: | http://pastebin.com/m24149bfd I need to adjust my bios :/ |
| [06:43:53] | creol: | @iamlindoro I went out with my wife to dinner and left kids with babysitter. Im guessing someone got into some settings. Where can I find the audio sampling rates to adjust? |
| [06:44:14] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: you have powernow/cpufreq on or what? |
| [06:44:21] | t0ny-p40: | Well crap, I'm going to be retyping 200+ lines of sql statements. |
| [06:45:24] | t0ny-p40: | bomama, no if my bios gets reset it lowers the speed. |
| [06:45:32] | Lexridge: | tony: sounds like you better get typing and quit chatting ;) |
| [06:45:43] | t0ny-p40: | My hands hurt. |
| [06:46:07] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: I cant tell anything from that pastebin |
| [06:46:13] | t0ny-p40: | I'm like three weeks behind on my homework. |
| [06:47:08] | Lexridge: | l8r fellows. It's late, got another big training day (finally the last) tomorrow on the new shit. g'nite. |
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| [06:47:34] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: but if the cpuMhz is accurate (as high as it can go), you can get by withxvmc |
| [06:48:19] | t0ny-p40: | cool |
| [06:48:28] | t0ny-p40: | It should be like 2100Mhz |
| [06:48:35] | t0ny-p40: | Any vmware experts? |
| [06:49:11] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: cpu util shouldnt exceed 90% peak with xvmc even for very "busy" scenes |
| [06:49:56] | t0ny-p40: | I'll try grabbing one of those hd cards from where I volunteer. |
| [06:50:06] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: I doubt that proc is 2.1GHz |
| [06:50:16] | t0ny-p40: | It is. |
| [06:50:41] | bomama: | pastebin contents of dmesg |
| [06:50:58] | bomama: | that will tell us for sure |
| [06:51:16] | t0ny-p40: | tony@myth:~$ dmesg | grep -i mhz |
| [06:51:16] | t0ny-p40: | [ 0.000000] Detected 1904.398 MHz processor. |
| [06:51:49] | t0ny-p40: | I'm 90% sure it is 2.1Ghz |
| [06:51:55] | bomama: | lol |
| [06:52:15] | bomama: | since when does 1904 == 2100? |
| [06:52:43] | wagnerrp: | could that be a 2500+ barton? |
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| [06:52:56] | wagnerrp: | i think my 2600+ is 1.93 or 1.96 |
| [06:53:25] | wagnerrp: | might be a 2600 or 2800 non-barton |
| [06:54:08] | t0ny-p40: | bomama, my bios auto settings for this cpu suck. |
| [06:54:17] | bomama: | anyway, you'll do better with a "plus" rating of 3200+ or thereabouts |
| [06:54:41] | bomama: | anything less you're asking for trouble |
| [06:55:53] | creol: | chipmunk audio in Live TV, TV Recordings (all even ones that worked yesterday), but normal on Video playback. I tried the "time stretch" and that just makes chipmonk sound slower. Someone suggested audio sampling setting, but no idea where to find that. Any suggestions? |
| [06:56:00] | t0ny-p40: | I might get a 1.6GHz box from a friend then I could move the backend stuff to that and that would give me a little more cpu room for stuff. |
| [06:56:31] | wagnerrp: | audio sampling is in recording profiles |
| [06:56:42] | wagnerrp: | although that would only affect new recordings, not old ones |
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| [06:56:51] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: how the hell would you BIOS misidentify the CPU? |
| [06:56:58] | bomama: | your* |
| [06:57:31] | t0ny-p40: | just the settings like the frontside bus, multiplier and etc. |
| [06:57:42] | creol: | Yea this appears to be a playback issue only since recordings that played back yesterday now play too fast |
| [06:57:43] | bomama: | saying "my bios settings suck" makes no sense whatsoever |
| [06:58:09] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: unless you're doing something stupid like overclocking |
| [06:58:33] | t0ny-p40: | The bios underclocks it. |
| [06:58:39] | t0ny-p40: | Dont know why. |
| [06:58:50] | t0ny-p40: | I'll reboot it and check in a second. |
| [06:59:02] | wagnerrp: | well your bios may set the FSB wrong |
| [06:59:10] | wagnerrp: | but it should not be able to touch the multiplier |
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| [06:59:57] | wagnerrp: | but that would probably set you back to 1–1.2GHz (100MHz FSB) if that were the case |
| [07:01:56] | t0ny-p40: | Went from tv to rgb on my plasma is it weird to be able to still see the tv-14 logo? |
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| [07:07:11] | wagnerrp: | 'tv to rgb' .... huh? |
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| [07:17:31] | t0ny-p40: | wagnerrp, thats the way the tv states it. tv = coax, rgb = vga. |
| [07:18:27] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: lol. your cpu doesnt even support pni |
| [07:18:36] | t0ny-p40: | pni? |
| [07:18:37] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: just relized that |
| [07:18:48] | bomama: | realized* |
| [07:19:20] | wagnerrp: | paranormal ideation? |
| [07:19:31] | wagnerrp: | psychoneuroimmunology? |
| [07:19:51] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: it's not even and athlon "XP" |
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| [07:20:16] | t0ny-p40: | Pretty sure it is xp |
| [07:20:19] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: so forget about decoding 1080 |
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| [07:20:25] | wagnerrp: | or, processor neutral index, or something like that |
| [07:20:40] | bomama: | wagnerrp: keep guessing |
| [07:20:52] | t0ny-p40: | I have an amd althon xp sticker on my case. I'm pretty sure I got that with the cpu. |
| [07:20:58] | bomama: | wagnerrp: you're pretty cold |
| [07:21:00] | t0ny-p40: | I dont care about 1080 just 720 |
| [07:21:30] | wagnerrp: | performance something index |
| [07:21:40] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: then you've been cheated |
| [07:21:59] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: a sticker on the case, lol |
| [07:23:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i got nothing |
| [07:23:36] | t0ny-p40: | I built the comp and all the stickers it has I put on it! :P |
| [07:24:40] | t0ny-p40: | haha I found the parts list! |
| [07:24:49] | t0ny-p40: | ati althon xp 2700+ |
| [07:24:55] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
| [07:25:03] | t0ny-p40: | 2.167Ghz |
| [07:25:14] | wagnerrp: | made by ATI no less |
| [07:25:29] | t0ny-p40: | lol |
| [07:25:30] | t0ny-p40: | amd |
| [07:25:57] | t0ny-p40: | I keep getting amd and ati crossed in my head. |
| [07:26:24] | bomama: | t0ny-p40: keep playing your silly games. you arent fooling anybody |
| [07:29:19] | t0ny-p40: | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/30726/parts.jpg |
| [07:29:23] | t0ny-p40: | I win a cookie! |
| [07:30:27] | wagnerrp: | 36" IDE cable, possibly not the best choice with which to connect peripherals |
| [07:31:04] | t0ny-p40: | Ya, I never used them. |
| [07:31:16] | t0ny-p40: | Still have one of them unopened :P. |
| [07:31:32] | t0ny-p40: | I was young and stupid then :p. |
| [07:31:52] | wagnerrp: | PATA is only rated at 18" |
| [07:32:33] | t0ny-p40: | It hooked up to my dvd-rom right now :P. |
| [07:32:42] | wagnerrp: | and it works? |
| [07:32:46] | t0ny-p40: | Ya |
| [07:33:03] | wagnerrp: | at that length, i should think it wouldnt even connect |
| [07:33:08] | t0ny-p40: | I made a 30 foot usb cable out of cat5e and it worked. :P |
| [07:33:14] | t0ny-p40: | Specs are specs. |
| [07:34:28] | t0ny-p40: | Lol that fan would not fit it the case. I sold it for $15. |
| [07:38:04] | t0ny-p40: | I should buy something like this and get another proc http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?c=211& . . . 5662&P=F |
| [07:38:52] | wagnerrp: | well... you would need two procs actually |
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| [07:39:48] | t0ny-p40: | I said get another one :) |
| [07:40:02] | wagnerrp: | well... you would need two new procs actually |
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| [07:41:13] | t0ny-p40: | why new if I got a board that support athlon xp. |
| [07:41:18] | justinh: | 3% CPU usage playing back 'HD'.. Greyfoxx you've got me wanting to buy a nvidia card for my frontend already. Unless Intel are about to make a monumental announcement... |
| [07:41:33] | wagnerrp: | because SMP boards dont support AthXPs |
| [07:41:40] | t0ny-p40: | ah |
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| [07:43:21] | wagnerrp: | XP chips were designed for UP operations |
| [07:43:30] | wagnerrp: | MP chips were designed for SMP operations |
| [07:43:49] | wagnerrp: | there is very little difference between the two |
| [07:44:20] | wagnerrp: | in earlier models, the difference was hardly more than a cut bridge circuit on the package |
| [07:44:50] | wagnerrp: | but its best not to try to break things |
| [07:46:20] | t0ny-p40: | I maybe getting an internship very soon at geek squad or doing photography :) |
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| [10:40:21] | t0ny-p40: | Any one awake thats an plasma tv expert? |
| [10:48:25] | Dibblah: | Why ask a meta-question? |
| [10:48:36] | Dibblah: | Just ask the damn thing you want to know... |
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| [10:50:24] | justinh: | an plasma? |
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| [10:51:12] | Dibblah: | Now you're being pedantic. |
| [10:51:41] | Dibblah: | For a little bit, I thought 'Justin the Cynical' on the mailing list was you. No idea why... |
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| [10:53:42] | t0ny-p40: | Just wanted to ask if its normal for temporary burn-in on a plamsa. |
| [10:54:02] | t0ny-p40: | Like if I go from mythtv to a black screen I can still see the menu. |
| [10:56:55] | Dibblah: | No, it's not normal. |
| [10:57:03] | Dibblah: | That's not temporary – It's permanent. |
| [10:57:24] | xand: | burn-in can sometimes be removed but it takes ages |
| [11:01:03] | t0ny-p40: | Err I mean ghosting. |
| [11:01:33] | t0ny-p40: | It goes away after a while if something does not over it. |
| [11:01:45] | justinh: | Dibblah: why? as if I'd post on the mailing list! |
| [11:01:47] | justinh: | the very idea! |
| [11:02:30] | justinh: | t0ny-p40: I've seen projectgrayhem-wide burned into an early plasma. |
| [11:02:59] | t0ny-p40: | It does this if its self on the screen for even 10 seconds |
| [11:07:21] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:07:30] | justinh: | sounds like something you should never have bought |
| [11:08:10] | t0ny-p40: | Walmart does have a good return policy :P |
| [11:08:39] | t0ny-p40: | I could drag this thing behind my car and they would take it back :p |
| [11:10:15] | justinh: | sounds like fun! |
| [11:13:53] | t0ny-p40: | In some ways I love walmart in almost every other way I hate them. |
| [11:14:49] | t0ny-p40: | Wow, downloaded videos are about 10x better then what my digital cable box outputs. |
| [11:19:05] | t0ny-p40: | I wish there was a legal service that did not include drm. |
| [11:21:30] | Dibblah: | If possible, can we keep illegal discussions of this channel? |
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| [11:23:39] | directhex: | is baby-eating legal? |
| [11:24:06] | Dibblah: | In Germany? Possibly. Not sure of anywhere else. |
| [11:24:08] | t0ny-p40: | Sorry Dibblah |
| [11:24:11] | Dibblah: | However, it'd require consent. |
| [11:24:14] | directhex: | damn german canibals |
| [11:24:20] | t0ny-p40: | lol |
| [11:24:26] | directhex: | can a baby give consent? |
| [11:24:42] | t0ny-p40: | ever read about that german cannibal guy? |
| [11:24:54] | t0ny-p40: | directhex, the parent can... |
| [11:25:09] | Dibblah: | No, actually, they can't. |
| [11:25:30] | styelz: | t0ny-p40: i get that on m plasma, it does fade . your plasma should have some tools in the tv menu to aid removing them if it gets too bad |
| [11:25:36] | Dibblah: | And this is pretty much as far from Myth that this channel has _ever_ strayed. I'm fairly sure of that. |
| [11:26:24] | t0ny-p40: | styelz, it goes away but it show up in under 10 seconds if switching form a menu to black. |
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| [11:26:55] | t0ny-p40: | It might be because it is brand new. If its like this in a week its going back to the store. |
| [11:27:30] | t0ny-p40: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes the german cannibal. READ WITH CAUTION. Is is the grossest thing I think I ever read. |
| [11:27:32] | styelz: | i had mine for 2 years running myth |
| [11:27:56] | t0ny-p40: | I've had mine running for about 3 hours :p. |
| [11:28:28] | styelz: | well almost |
| [11:28:51] | Dibblah: | t0ny-p40: Oh, joy. Another stupid nick. |
| [11:29:05] | t0ny-p40: | what? |
| [11:29:17] | Dibblah: | Anyway. For the first few hours, you want to run it with a 50% black screen with NOTHING on it. |
| [11:29:50] | styelz: | there should be negative tool in the menu |
| [11:29:54] | styelz: | should help |
| [11:30:22] | t0ny-p40: | I should go to bed 4:30am :/ |
| [11:31:04] | ** styelz yawns ** | |
| [11:31:32] | t0ny-p40: | I have my final for my database class and I have not studied yet |
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| [11:31:41] | styelz: | tut tut |
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| [11:34:12] | stevil: | hi |
| [11:34:19] | stevil: | when i have a system with multipile HDMI outputs, can i have a TV connected to both HDMI outputs and send a different stream to both TV's at the same time ? |
| [11:35:10] | Dibblah: | Depends on the video card. |
| [11:36:08] | styelz: | wee |
| [11:37:04] | t0ny-p40: | Well, night all. |
| [11:37:09] | t0ny-p40: | 1.What is the purpose of the KILL command? |
| [11:37:19] | t0ny-p40: | Thats an easy one. It kills people! :) |
| [11:37:21] | styelz: | death |
| [11:37:27] | t0ny-p40: | There I studied. |
| [11:37:27] | styelz: | night |
| [11:37:35] | styelz: | lol |
| [11:42:20] | justinh: | oo. Amazon have powerline ethernet (zyxel 2000Mbit/sec) sets for under 50 quids |
| [11:42:39] | justinh: | oops. 200Mbit not 2000Mbit |
| [11:43:13] | styelz: | wonder if i could use that in my appartment block ? |
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| [12:21:08] | AkhIL: | Hi. I can't get data from my card reader browsed by myth video. What I should do to get usb disks automounted? CD/DVD works well for me |
| [12:29:07] | stevil: | Dibblah: do you know a video card that supports this kind of things? |
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| [12:39:45] | belo: | hello everyone |
| [12:43:15] | justinh: | cat $greet > /dev/null |
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| [12:46:42] | belo: | I was just wondering if it would be possible to input IPTV signal into MythTV... |
| [12:47:05] | belo: | its something like this udp://@233.10.47.83:1234 |
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| [13:25:58] | purserj: | quick question, is there a current project for myth on opensolaris? |
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| [13:27:05] | gbee: | you mean, is anyone building myth on opensolaris? |
| [13:28:55] | purserj: | yar |
| [13:29:13] | purserj: | got someone asking and I was wondering if there was anyone working on it |
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| [13:32:47] | gbee: | can't remember hearing of anyone doing so, but then I'd be suprised if it didn't build |
| [13:34:05] | gbee: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/315593 |
| [13:34:55] | gbee: | so lack of drivers is the real problem |
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| [13:36:27] | purserj: | apparantly it's the dvb bit that's killing it at the moment |
| [13:36:40] | purserj: | the linux/v4l specific bits |
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| [13:40:03] | gbee: | I'm all for cross platform capabilities, but now and again I have to wonder just why people would kill themselves porting an application instead of changing their platform |
| [13:42:57] | purserj: | it's fun? |
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| [13:44:12] | C0p3rn1c: | so I'm looking for a new dvb-s2 tuner right, but I see that no dvb-s2 card is currently supported :S |
| [13:45:46] | C0p3rn1c: | oh wait there are a few firewire cards |
| [13:46:04] | gbee: | give it a few weeks, dvb-s2 is brand new to the kernel, there is always going to be lag between drivers becoming available and apps adding support for them |
| [13:46:36] | C0p3rn1c: | gbee: ok thx |
| [13:47:01] | gbee: | there is plenty of S2 support, just nothing in MythTV yet, patches if you don't mind going that route |
| [13:47:43] | C0p3rn1c: | what card is supported ? |
| [13:47:47] | C0p3rn1c: | in the best way |
| [13:49:51] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [13:50:09] | gbee: | ask #linuxtv, although they'll probably point you at their wiki |
| [13:50:26] | C0p3rn1c: | I only see a few firewire cards on linuxtv.org |
| [13:51:30] | C0p3rn1c: | I only ask because you said there is plenty of support for dvb-s2, when can we expect dvb-s2 support in mythtv ? |
| [13:51:59] | gbee: | <gbee> give it a few weeks, dvb-s2 is brand new to the kernel, there is always going to be lag between drivers becoming available and apps adding support for them |
| [13:52:51] | at0m|c: | yesterday there was some workshop here... |
| [13:53:14] | at0m|c: | people using the now available VHF freq's to broadcast their own |
| [13:53:33] | at0m|c: | and some DIY tricks for transmitters etc eh |
| [13:54:15] | C0p3rn1c: | gbee,sorry, somehow I thought you were talking about the kernell, not mythtv |
| [13:54:25] | C0p3rn1c: | my mistake |
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| [14:07:40] | msaul: | Is it possible that when running Mythbuntu 8.10, there could be a conflict between HP HVR1600 and my GE Force Nvidia 7600 GS OC? |
| [14:08:09] | msaul: | I can run mythtv in low graphics mode, but not with restricted drivers. |
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| [14:08:56] | gbee: | C0p3rn1c: what I'm saying is that there are drivers for DVB-S2 cards in the kernel, but that it's recent and it will take MythTV a little time to add support for the new driver APIs, I can't tell you which cards are supported by current drivers you will have to ask #linuxtv that |
| [14:09:16] | msaul: | The problem is, that the electronic Program Guide flickers on and off, and probably need a better resolution. |
| [14:09:45] | gbee: | but without applying patches none of those cards are yet supported by myth, by the release of 0.22, if not earlier, that will change |
| [14:10:11] | gbee: | msaul: you need those graphics drivers |
| [14:10:22] | msaul: | Do you know when 022 will be released? |
| [14:10:22] | gbee: | it's a driver problem |
| [14:10:29] | gbee: | msaul: not yet |
| [14:10:56] | msaul: | There was 3 versions of Nvidia: 96,173,177 |
| [14:11:07] | msaul: | Is there a newer one that you are aware of? |
| [14:11:40] | msaul: | Is there something I can tweak from the xorg.conf file you may be aware of? or any other suggestions? |
| [14:12:19] | msaul: | The weird thing is that detection of the Hauppauge HVR 1600 seems to be intermittent on occasion... |
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| [14:12:50] | gbee: | msaul: sorry you aren't being clear about the problem, but you probably need to discuss this with the guys in #mythbuntu |
| [14:13:24] | msaul: | OK will do... Thanks |
| [14:13:54] | gbee: | if you can't get your card to work with the graphics driver then tell them that, since that's what you need to resolve |
| [14:14:13] | msaul: | OK.. thanks and bye :) |
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| [14:50:45] | mike3: | hey guys, how can I remove recording groups? |
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| [15:27:37] | nubee: | hi! may I ask question? |
| [15:28:49] | dustybin: | nubee: only if its a MythTV related and you use proper English grammar |
| [15:29:34] | nubee: | sorry for my English, it's not my first language to talk:-( |
| [15:30:29] | dustybin: | fire away anyway, I'm sure someone will help :) |
| [15:30:35] | nubee: | When I start recording with "R" key how long it will continue? |
| [15:30:44] | nubee: | 30 min? |
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| [15:32:19] | dustybin: | If I press 'R' whilst watching TV, I think it just records to the end of what your currently watching |
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| [15:32:38] | r3dh2t: | morning gang |
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| [15:34:32] | nubee: | dustybin, I think the thing is differ from your point:-) |
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| [15:34:49] | nubee: | w/o is sorry:-) |
| [15:35:32] | dustybin: | nubee: you will have to wait for assistance from one of the mythtv professionals :) |
| [15:35:33] | nubee: | with 'esc' aped it still recording |
| [15:38:47] | gbee: | nubee: until the end of the programme, or 30 minutes if you have no guide data |
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| [15:53:25] | Saviq: | guys is 0.22 safe with non-latin1 mysql? |
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| [15:54:40] | janneg: | depends on the value of non-latin1. utf-8 is the only supported mysql charset |
| [15:55:51] | Saviq: | great |
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| [16:04:16] | gbee: | Saviq: if you mean you changed the mysql charset to utf8 in 0.21, then no |
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| [16:11:18] | gbee: | tempted to delete http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Utf8_Text_in_OSD before more people screw up their databases |
| [16:13:01] | Saviq: | gbee: no, I mean I'm installing mythtv 0.22 and I want to know if I have to stick to latin1 |
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| [16:14:06] | gbee: | Saviq: you don't want or need to touch the database charset, mythtv handles that for you |
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| [16:15:47] | Saviq: | I'm on gentoo and there's a 'latin1' flag for mysql that sets all the inner mysql charsets and that's not needed anymore, that's what I wanted to know |
| [16:18:39] | gbee: | no idea what gentoo is doing there :) |
| [16:27:02] | janneg: | setting the default charset |
| [16:30:06] | gbee: | right, so not really relevant here since we specify our own in the 0.22 install/upgrade |
| [16:33:26] | Saviq: | yup |
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| [16:36:22] | janneg: | default charset for the connection, not for the database. mysql does database convertions if they don't match |
| [16:36:39] | janneg: | qt4 always request utf-8 |
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| [16:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I've seen *multiple* people follow that guide in spite of repeated warnings here and on the page-- I say nuke it |
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| [16:55:13] | iamlindoro_: | And those who have deserve what they get when .22 rolls around |
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| [16:59:24] | jams: | that VCR sheriff thread really spun out of control |
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| [17:00:10] | iamlindoro_: | jams: The whole list is just a series of VCR sheriff threads these days |
| [17:00:23] | iamlindoro_: | Can't recall it ever being quite this bad |
| [17:00:29] | AndyCap: | vcr sheriff? |
| [17:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | Even threads that start on topic spin out within three or so messages |
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| [17:00:58] | AndyCap: | oh my |
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| [17:05:34] | Chutt: | that is the one advantage that forums have over mailing lists |
| [17:05:37] | Chutt: | you can lock stuff |
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| [17:08:31] | gbee: | aye and pin important topics/announcements so that the same subject doesn't keep coming up |
| [17:09:07] | gbee: | though excess pinning is bad ... |
| [17:09:22] | iamlindoro_: | Someone needs to give sphery an award, I don't know anyone else who could be so consistently helpful given the tenor of the users list |
| [17:09:33] | Saviq: | one more thing, does 0.22 require qt3 compatibility from qt4? |
| [17:10:27] | gbee: | Saviq: for now yes, there are ~3 bits of code which still require the QT3 compat libs |
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| [17:10:51] | Saviq: | ok thanks |
| [17:10:53] | gbee: | should be entirely qt3 compat free soon |
| [17:14:12] | gbee: | would someone tell the "Two clocks on the interface" guy that it should (and does work), metallurgy uses two clocks for example |
| [17:14:51] | wagnerrp: | why would you want two separate clocks? |
| [17:15:17] | gbee: | this guy wants one for the date, other for the time |
| [17:15:53] | gbee: | which is exactly what metallurgy does, splits the time/date |
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| [17:30:08] | wagnerrp: | seems that 'vcraddict' character on -users bought a tunerless VCR (i didnt even know they made such things) and then bitched on amazon that he couldnt watch TV through it and the description was misleading |
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| [17:42:24] | Saviq: | well, there's a lot to compile for qt4 I see, some more cores would be of use... |
| [17:43:06] | gbee: | you'd be done by now if you used packages ;) |
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| [17:46:04] | dustybin: | LOL http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ |
| [17:46:59] | Saviq: | gbee: hard to use packages in gentoo, yet it's worth the wait ;) |
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| [17:47:26] | gbee: | I think that was my point, but nevermind ;) |
| [17:49:32] | Saviq: | shame it didn't mention earlier that webkit requires ssl ;P |
| [17:49:48] | Saviq: | earlier as in before it compiled the whole core already |
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| [18:06:32] | shadash: | gentoo takes too much care and feeding |
| [18:08:39] | Saviq: | depends, it's not like you're rebuilding your whole box every month or so |
| [18:08:52] | Saviq: | and having it just the way you want it has several advantages |
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| [18:09:39] | Saviq: | I, for example, wasn't able to watch one of my dvb channels before, because it needed _just_ above what mythbuntu / mythdora could deliver |
| [18:10:40] | Saviq: | while on gentoo mythfrontend goes around 75% |
| [18:11:01] | shadash: | Put your gentoo system away for 6 months then try to come back to it |
| [18:11:14] | shadash: | wihtout performing any updates during that time |
| [18:11:28] | Saviq: | and what's the difference? |
| [18:11:34] | Saviq: | ubuntu releases every 6 months |
| [18:11:56] | Saviq: | and you have to reinstall most of the system anyway |
| [18:11:59] | shadash: | 2 days later after all the updates (if they all work) you'll have an up to date system |
| [18:12:28] | shadash: | I'm more of a CentOS person |
| [18:12:37] | Saviq: | nevermind, I don't want another distro flame war |
| [18:12:46] | shadash: | come on it's fun ;-) |
| [18:12:47] | Saviq: | gentoo pleases me because I know what I'm doing |
| [18:13:12] | Saviq: | and delivers the most from my (not so fast) hardware |
| [18:13:13] | shadash: | actually gentoo is my number #2 os behind RH derivatives |
| [18:13:33] | shadash: | there's pluses and minuses to both |
| [18:13:45] | Saviq: | I'm on suse myself here, but I'm using gentoo for my media machines |
| [18:14:04] | Saviq: | I don't have enough time to wait 2 days for new firefox, that's for sure ;) |
| [18:14:04] | shadash: | don't get me started on SuSe |
| [18:14:16] | Saviq: | I won't |
| [18:14:39] | Saviq: | again, suits me |
| [18:15:14] | shadash: | it's like a bastard hybrid of mandrake and a turkey |
| [18:15:55] | shadash: | am I pushing any buttons yet ;-) |
| [18:16:23] | shadash: | just playing around |
| [18:17:35] | gbee: | so, if you like Turkey, Suse would be a good proposition? |
| [18:19:20] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmm, 9300 Mobo came. Shiny. Now I have a displayport to look at and... erm... well, to look at |
| [18:21:13] | GreyFoxx: | What board ? |
| [18:21:15] | janneg: | you could by an apple display |
| [18:21:23] | iamlindoro_: | Asus P5N7A-VM |
| [18:22:26] | Saviq: | shadash: nah I don't have much buttons here, I just like it |
| [18:23:28] | Saviq: | how soon do you think myth will incorporate VDPAU? |
| [18:23:37] | shadash: | hopefully asap |
| [18:24:19] | gbee: | *sigh* |
| [18:24:27] | iamlindoro_: | When it works well enough that it's worth unleashing on the general populace. What good is coming sooner if VDPAU still crashes your system? |
| [18:24:48] | Saviq: | I'm not saying you should jump on it |
| [18:25:10] | iamlindoro_: | Then you'll be fine with the answer "When it's ready" and it's anyone's guess beyond that. |
| [18:25:21] | Saviq: | yup, I will |
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| [18:25:40] | Saviq: | btw, anyone tried it yet? |
| [18:25:50] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, many of us have tried it. |
| [18:25:54] | gbee: | despite the obvious interest and demand for it, has one new contributor stepped forward to help? /me despairs |
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| [18:29:42] | GreyFoxx: | well... I emailed mark asking if there was anything I could do to help out :) |
| [18:29:59] | GreyFoxx: | oh.. "new" contributor" heh sorry |
| [18:30:37] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: when you said 3% CPU util w/VDPAU, what processor was that on? |
| [18:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | lemme go look |
| [18:31:11] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: and what rez was the video material? |
| [18:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ |
| [18:31:55] | Saviq: | and that was displaying what? |
| [18:31:59] | wagnerrp: | Saviq: i would estimate 6-mo to a year |
| [18:32:07] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia drivers still have a way to go |
| [18:32:13] | wagnerrp: | and then they have to be implemented into myth |
| [18:32:13] | GreyFoxx: | It was the demo test files included in their README |
| [18:32:19] | wagnerrp: | so theres a lot left to code |
| [18:32:26] | GreyFoxx: | a mix of stuff |
| [18:32:36] | Saviq: | yeah but anyway... I have an impression that's it's better than what windoze has... |
| [18:32:45] | GreyFoxx: | and iamlindoro has also tried it on his bluray rips with the same low cpu results |
| [18:32:52] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: cool |
| [18:33:01] | wagnerrp: | Saviq: VDPAU IS better than PureVideo on windows |
| [18:33:08] | Chutt: | err, it's the same thing |
| [18:33:11] | Saviq: | how many players are there on windoze that use PureVideo |
| [18:33:15] | wagnerrp: | windows users have to pay for their codecs |
| [18:33:20] | Chutt: | hardware accel is hardware accel |
| [18:33:35] | Saviq: | Chutt: yeah but accessing it is different |
| [18:33:37] | wagnerrp: | either pay nvidia for dshow codecs, or pay some 3rd party for ones that come with a br/hddvd player |
| [18:33:46] | Chutt: | uh |
| [18:33:52] | Saviq: | yup, and here we're getting 'em for free |
| [18:33:56] | Chutt: | you can't make the hardware accelerate different things in windows and in linux |
| [18:34:56] | Saviq: | still, even windoze users could benefit from VDPAU... if it was available there |
| [18:35:15] | wagnerrp: | windows users already benefit from purevideo, its the same hardware |
| [18:35:30] | wagnerrp: | im just saying they have to pay for the windows implementation |
| [18:35:49] | Saviq: | yeah that's what I mean, benefit |
| [18:36:06] | Saviq: | pay $2, not pay $2, that's $4 difference |
| [18:36:20] | wagnerrp: | actually, its $2 |
| [18:36:25] | Saviq: | no it's not ;P |
| [18:36:37] | wagnerrp: | are you getting paid to test vdpau? |
| [18:36:57] | Saviq: | I'm pulling your leg |
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| [18:39:11] | Saviq: | now we only need CUDA to offload reencoding to and we're set ;] |
| [18:40:16] | Goga777: | doe someone try ffmpeg fork for vdpau support ? |
| [18:40:35] | Goga777: | does |
| [18:40:44] | wagnerrp: | has? |
| [18:41:00] | Goga777: | http://repo.or.cz/w/FFMpeg-mirror/ffmpeg-vdpau.git |
| [18:41:01] | Saviq: | tried? |
| [18:41:21] | Goga777: | it's ffmpeg fork |
| [18:41:59] | Chutt: | it's a patch, not a fork. |
| [18:42:20] | Goga777: | it's git repo |
| [18:42:42] | Goga777: | This project is a fork of the FFMpeg-mirror.git project. |
| [18:43:22] | Chutt: | notice the 'mirror'? |
| [18:43:45] | Goga777: | have a look |
| [18:43:46] | Goga777: | http://repo.or.cz/w/FFMpeg-mirror/ffmpeg-vdpa . . . ree;hb=vdpau |
| [18:43:55] | janneg: | fork only in the sense that it differs from ffmpeg svn trunk and not in the traditional sense |
| [18:44:12] | Chutt: | it has a patch applied, crazy |
| [18:44:14] | Chutt: | it's a fork! |
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| [18:44:39] | wagnerrp: | so its a prepatched version of ffmpeg |
| [18:44:43] | Saviq: | that discussion isn't going to end well |
| [18:44:52] | ** gbee resists spoon jokes ** | |
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| [18:44:56] | janneg: | Goga777: It is alone useless unless they implemented *GetPixel |
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| [18:46:25] | Goga777: | why you don't like GetPixel ? |
| [18:46:39] | Saviq: | .... |
| [18:46:50] | Saviq: | Goga777: you have it coming... |
| [18:46:52] | wagnerrp: | getpixel is needed to feed the decompressed video back out to ffmpeg, so it can be used by CPU-based encoders |
| [18:48:33] | bomama: | /me wishes Frys would have more full ATX mobo cpu combos |
| [18:48:34] | janneg: | I meant VdpOutputSurfaceGetBitsNative |
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| [18:49:17] | janneg: | and nobody knows how fast that is |
| [18:49:39] | bomama: | mATX is teh suck |
| [18:51:39] | shadash: | 64bit Vmware is not that stable |
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| [19:03:55] | gbee: | in terms of purevid/vdpau the difference between 8200 and the 9300 is the VC-1 support? |
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| [19:09:24] | jackson__: | gbee, yes, that's how I understand it. |
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| [19:12:12] | gbee: | right, checking since 9300 boards are still limited and pricey, since I don't see myself ever needing to watch VC-1 in the near future |
| [19:12:26] | gbee: | guess it depends just how prevalent it is on Blu-ray |
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| [19:13:28] | Chutt: | i think an hour is enough time to stop posting to a thread, correct? |
| [19:13:37] | directhex: | not very, according to iamlindoro |
| [19:13:43] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:13:52] | Chutt: | i'm tired of the crap on the users list |
| [19:13:58] | Chutt: | so i'm tempted to start removing people |
| [19:14:26] | jblack: | That usually creates a larger problem than it solves. |
| [19:14:38] | Chutt: | i don't see how it could |
| [19:14:49] | Chutt: | people that are just babbling about random crap being gone? |
| [19:15:04] | Chutt: | big win |
| [19:15:10] | kormoc: | I'm fully for culling the herd |
| [19:15:59] | jblack: | No skin off my back. I'm not so much as subscribed to the list. |
| [19:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yeah, VC-1 is pretty widely used on my HD-DVDs, but I've only got 2 Blu-ray disks out of about 50 that are VC-1 |
| [19:16:18] | directhex: | i gave up on the list a long time ago |
| [19:16:22] | directhex: | high volume rubbish |
| [19:16:41] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Obviously purely anecdotal, but it seems to me that the few titles I have that are VC1 are ones that were simultaneously released on HD-DVD |
| [19:17:06] | iamlindoro_: | So they probably wanted to simplify the authoring workflow |
| [19:17:10] | LanUser: | Hello – I just compiled the latest SVN fixes for 0.21 and now I can't start the backend or mythtv-setup, I get this trying to start the backend http://www.pastebin.ca/1263690 |
| [19:18:30] | jblack: | That looks like you're missing mysql support. |
| [19:19:03] | LanUser: | it's weird, I didn't update any packages and it was just working |
| [19:22:00] | LanUser: | oh no |
| [19:22:22] | LanUser: | I think I figured out what I did, I accidentally pulled the SVN trunk, not the fixes trunk, I think I'm screwed |
| [19:23:03] | Chutt: | just remove it and recompile with fixes |
| [19:23:18] | Chutt: | you haven't touched the db or anything else, so you're fine |
| [19:23:30] | LanUser: | would a "make uninstall" remove it? |
| [19:23:38] | Chutt: | mostly |
| [19:23:39] | gbee: | yes |
| [19:24:02] | gbee: | think it missed a couple of places the last time I tried |
| [19:24:24] | LanUser: | and since the backend never started it probably didn't hit the db, and I don't recall seeing any messages about the schema being updated |
| [19:25:01] | kormoc: | and luckly -trunk currently backs up the db *Before* doing a schema update |
| [19:25:02] | ** LanUser is kicking himself in the ass for being such a bonehead ** | |
| [19:25:44] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: thanks, looks like I might settle for the Asus M3N78 then, since it suits my requirements, 8200, AM2+, ATX and 3x Video out (DVI, HDMI, DSUB) |
| [19:26:06] | kormoc: | People are going to love my requirements for debugging the ipod streaming. If you can't get a wireshark (or libpcap) packet capture of only the video streaming, I can't help you |
| [19:26:26] | gbee: | oh and it just tips the £50 target |
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| [19:30:04] | wagnerrp: | Chutt: you mean you dont appreciate the thread on whether or not someone is an ass? |
| [19:33:24] | Chutt: | correct |
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| [19:42:52] | andycaz: | Hmh ive set pass on my mythweb but cant remember it, been 3 months since i last powered this machine on |
| [19:43:16] | xris: | andycaz: just re-create your htdigest/htpasswd file? |
| [19:43:20] | andycaz: | How does this htdigest thing work again? do i need htaccess file for it or something? The pass inside it is hashed |
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| [19:44:51] | wagnerrp: | its listed in your httpd.conf under the 'AuthUserFile' directive |
| [19:45:09] | wagnerrp: | its just '<username>:<encrypted password>' |
| [19:45:33] | wagnerrp: | well, it actually a password hash, rather than encrypted |
| [19:45:38] | wagnerrp: | since you cannot decrypt it |
| [19:46:14] | wagnerrp: | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/htpasswd.html |
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| [19:47:03] | andycaz: | yup, i already looked up on that, i know where the file is but im trying to figure out how to reset pass. "htdigest" syntax only adds users, or am i missing something? didnt find any option to set pass in its manpage |
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| [19:47:35] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if I can get an isa 9300 to handle my vc-1 decoding |
| [19:47:36] | andycaz: | -c is to "create passwdfile" – what, where? |
| [19:47:37] | wagnerrp: | so then delete the user, and then re-add it |
| [19:47:43] | GreyFoxx: | my 486 could still be useful |
| [19:48:01] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: lol |
| [19:48:05] | shadash: | as a doorstop |
| [19:48:24] | GreyFoxx: | hey man, it has the TURBO button to go from 8mhz to 25mhz! |
| [19:48:35] | wagnerrp: | i think my last ISA board got packaged away and stuffed into a closet about 6 years ago |
| [19:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | s/GreyFoxx/clever/ |
| [19:48:49] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:49:13] | wagnerrp: | it should get removed and stuffed in the garbage... |
| [19:49:30] | bomama: | wagnerrp: no it should not |
| [19:49:34] | mkrufky: | you can use it as a kernel builder and you get a space heater for free |
| [19:49:35] | bomama: | wagnerrp: recycle |
| [19:49:50] | mkrufky: | build one kernel — should keep the room warm for a month |
| [19:49:53] | shadash: | I've always thought it would be fun to install win 3.1 on modern hardware to see how fast solitair would go when I won |
| [19:49:56] | wagnerrp: | bomama: thats actually the only reason its still in my closet |
| [19:50:14] | wagnerrp: | i left it there for the next time theres an electronics recycling drive in my area |
| [19:50:18] | bomama: | wagnerrp: what's so difficult about recycling it? |
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| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | but i hearing about it a few days after the actual event |
| [19:50:35] | bomama: | wagnerrp: plenty of places will take it free of charge |
| [19:50:57] | bomama: | bomama: maybe even best buy, I dunno |
| [19:51:11] | wagnerrp: | ill have to look into that |
| [19:51:13] | shadash: | fsking vmware not able to mount -o loop stabily in x86_64 |
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| [19:53:55] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: seriously, if there is support for VDPAU, what's the role of the processor? just move blocks from HDD to memory, right? |
| [19:54:05] | wagnerrp: | audio decoding |
| [19:54:29] | wagnerrp: | AC3 decoding is fairly trivial, but i dont know if a 486 would be up to the task |
| [19:54:43] | wagnerrp: | that is unless youre doing direct passthrough, anyway |
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| [19:55:34] | bomama: | nvidia says minimum requirements for Purevideo is 3Ghz processor :) |
| [19:56:09] | ccherrett: | I am looking at setting up myth for the first time. I have a digital tv connection coming in via an ethernet connection, then to a set top box then RGB to an hdtv. Where does myth plug into this whole chain and is there any recommended hardware encoding tuner cards? |
| [19:56:10] | shadash: | that can't be true |
| [19:56:17] | wagnerrp: | probably set when they only did partial offload, and high-megahurtz P4s were the norm |
| [19:56:45] | bomama: | shadash: it's true that nvidia said that |
| [19:57:02] | shadash: | link please |
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| [19:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | Like anything minimum specs when running under windows are way over estimated |
| [19:59:26] | GreyFoxx: | all the cpu is doing when using the hardware video decoding is like wagner said. audio decoding, and other OS operations including file reads |
| [19:59:50] | bomama: | shadash: http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_purevideo_requirements.html |
| [20:00:53] | shadash: | that looks like windows requirements |
| [20:01:06] | wagnerrp: | thats what he said |
| [20:01:09] | shadash: | but thank you for pasteing the link |
| [20:01:57] | shadash: | It's going to be interesting to see how VDPAU shakes out under linux |
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| [20:02:35] | shadash: | once stable drivers and more benchmarks start happening |
| [20:03:21] | wagnerrp: | with my limited testing, the drivers work just fine |
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| [20:03:32] | wagnerrp: | but mplayer leaves a bit to be desired |
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| [20:12:34] | bomama: | ccherrett: where you live? |
| [20:13:38] | bomama: | ccherrett: you must live somewhere real advanced that TV comes in from an ethernet jack :) |
| [20:14:40] | GreyFoxx: | There are such places, using IPTV :) |
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| [20:15:13] | bomama: | AFAIK there is no such thing as "native" IPTV |
| [20:15:26] | bomama: | they all use hfc overlay |
| [20:15:44] | stuarta: | hfc overlay? |
| [20:16:09] | bomama: | hybrid fiber coax |
| [20:16:26] | stuarta: | well in that case, there are places that do proper iptv |
| [20:16:38] | stuarta: | i used to work for one |
| [20:16:49] | stuarta: | iptv over atm, then it went to iptv over adsl |
| [20:16:58] | bomama: | haha |
| [20:17:10] | bomama: | that's a kludge |
| [20:17:22] | stuarta: | no, that's what atm was designed for :-p |
| [20:18:40] | bomama: | adsl is even more of a kludge than hfc |
| [20:19:17] | stuarta: | it aint optimum |
| [20:19:28] | stuarta: | however, at the end of the day it's a transport layer |
| [20:19:52] | andycaz: | Im sorry for this newbie question, but what was the command to update xmltv guides? |
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| [20:23:41] | GreyFoxx: | My local DSL company has a "digital tv" product delivered over DSL which is just IPTV, and some experimental fibre to the phone services here are doing IPTV as well. I know a guy who is using his mythbox to record rather than the STB that came with it |
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| [20:24:02] | GreyFoxx: | he did have to fake something so that the service thought it was the STB, but after that it just worked |
| [20:24:28] | flohack: | Hi! can someone tell me how to make mythtv switch to T9 input for the mythmusic incremental search window? |
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| [20:38:18] | ryan-c: | Hi, I'm looking for something to run on my desktop that would let me use a remote to browse and watch video and listen to music on my computer... I don't want to record anything. Would mythtv be good for this, or does it expect to always be running fullscreen? |
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| [20:41:05] | iamlindoro_: | MythTV would not be the first choice that comes to mind if you don't intend to use the DVR functionality, and Myth can be run in a window but cannot currently be resized once started. You probably want Elisa or XBMC. |
| [20:42:00] | ryan-c: | isn't XBMC for xbox? |
| [20:42:06] | iamlindoro_: | and Linux, and Windows |
| [20:42:11] | ryan-c: | oh |
| [20:42:12] | iamlindoro_: | And Mac OS X |
| [20:42:17] | ryan-c: | i did not know that |
| [20:42:20] | ryan-c: | I will look into it |
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| [20:42:55] | ryan-c: | I want something that I can hide and unhide, I don't have a dedicated computer for this, you see. |
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| [20:55:01] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: how often do you update the packages on ubuntu? |
| [20:55:42] | iamlindoro_: | Almost never. Blindly updating packages and working mythboxes tend not to go together |
| [20:58:55] | r3dh2t: | i can attest to that.. i have messed up my box on multiple occasions do that |
| [20:59:00] | r3dh2t: | and i was never smart enough to fix it |
| [20:59:01] | r3dh2t: | lol |
| [21:01:10] | dustybin: | debian stable is great for mythtv boxes, the only rare updates are for bugs / security issues |
| [21:01:22] | dustybin: | not massive updates like ubuntu |
| [21:01:37] | r3dh2t: | yeah i have been running fedora, because it's what i started with and feel comfortable with |
| [21:01:38] | directhex: | you could use a long-term release, you know |
| [21:01:44] | directhex: | and turn off -updates and -backports |
| [21:01:50] | r3dh2t: | thankfully haven't had any problems in a long while, since i have gotten mildly smarter |
| [21:02:17] | directhex: | my myth machine still runs ubuntu 8.04 |
| [21:02:44] | stuarta: | debian etch :-p |
| [21:03:10] | dustybin: | i dont understand why people choose ubuntu, especially if you dont require cutting edge packages and your not updating it, debian ftw |
| [21:03:39] | directhex: | for a desktop? coherency |
| [21:03:43] | GreyFoxx: | but all people feel the same about their personally favourite distro :) |
| [21:03:49] | directhex: | for a server? a kernel made this millennium |
| [21:03:51] | GreyFoxx: | *MYDISTROHERE* ftw :)\ |
| [21:04:03] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, go on, say slackware, we won't laugh too much |
| [21:04:21] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: You mean "What distro I'm running this week" if you're dustybin |
| [21:04:27] | GreyFoxx: | As a matter of fact I do prefer slackware. I think just about all others a a joke |
| [21:04:43] | directhex: | dustybin, you're ignoring, of course, that the best way to develop and improve ubuntu is by working on debian |
| [21:04:47] | GreyFoxx: | but I also know my opinion is my opninon and doesn't match everyones elses uses :) |
| [21:04:51] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: i been running debian since the sarge release, it makes a excellent backend/frontend distro |
| [21:05:11] | dustybin: | and you can *update* it without it breaking anything, thats if your using stable |
| [21:05:32] | directhex: | dustybin, debian lenny will have some directhex@ signatures in changelog.Debian.gz files, as a result of work for Ubuntu |
| [21:05:45] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [21:05:53] | dustybin: | haha cool |
| [21:06:26] | dustybin: | \o. |
| [21:06:50] | stuarta: | only 1 arm? |
| [21:07:00] | dustybin: | aye up :P |
| [21:07:21] | iamlindoro_: | He had to trade the other one to Japanese gangsters for food since he has no job |
| [21:07:35] | stuarta: | hah! |
| [21:07:51] | dustybin: | LOL |
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| [21:10:32] | jams: | nothing like waiting on a remote machine to fsck a drive |
| [21:10:55] | stuarta: | ah the old will it ever come back game |
| [21:11:02] | jams: | pretty much |
| [21:11:14] | jams: | think it has another 10 minutes before it will finish |
| [21:11:34] | LanUser: | ok, back I'm in business after the SVN / SVN-Fixes mixup |
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| [21:13:47] | LanUser: | but now I'm having the same issue I was hoping to resolve by updating, I think this is coming from mythcommflag, but it's just screen after screen of errors like this "2008-11–21 15:09:56.007 [ac3 @ 0xb733e664]frame sync error" |
| [21:14:18] | LanUser: | Is it possibly due to a damaged recording, if so how can I easily identify which recording it is |
| [21:14:56] | iamlindoro_: | Look at the job queue and see what it's working on? |
| [21:15:31] | iamlindoro_: | And yes, most likely an error in a recording |
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| [21:19:14] | gbee_: | wish buying new kit wasn't so stressful |
| [21:19:35] | gbee_: | it was easier when there was less choice, a motherboard was a motherboard |
| [21:19:35] | iamlindoro_: | I just put together a new frontend on Company time. Yay! |
| [21:20:02] | stuarta: | i'm not finding it stressful at all |
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| [21:20:18] | gbee_: | just me then :) |
| [21:20:20] | stuarta: | budget $0. choices zero. :) |
| [21:20:24] | gbee_: | heh |
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| [21:20:49] | stuarta: | however i'm suffering from equipment envy |
| [21:20:51] | gbee_: | yeah, well it's the budget which isn't helping me here |
| [21:21:21] | RyeBrye: | my overclocked system can't wait for vdpau so it can stop working so hard :) |
| [21:21:55] | RyeBrye: | I'll gladly underclock / undervolt everything when vdpau support in myth is working fully so I can turn off some fans :) |
| [21:22:09] | RyeBrye: | it's not too noisy now, but it could be quieter |
| [21:22:22] | RyeBrye: | then again... I live near train tracks |
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| [21:26:36] | gbee_: | right, well it's done, board/ram/cpu ordered, guess I'll add the monitor to my christmas list (you never know) and I'll replace the case sometime in the new year |
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| [21:28:20] | ** gbee_ waits for buyer's remorse to kick in ** | |
| [21:28:22] | msaul: | After more tweaking, I believe I solved problem after some reading: For my Nvidia 9600 card and hauppauge hvr1600 card, just add the following in grub (menu.lst) file when starting kernel: vmalloc=256MB |
| [21:28:22] | msaul: | pci=nommconf |
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| [21:29:32] | msaul: | now works like a charm... no config of nvidia driver required... |
| [21:29:45] | msaul: | boob now signing off... |
| [21:30:06] | gbee: | here it comes, waves of nausea and mild panic |
| [21:31:21] | inordkuo: | is there any advantage with vdpau in buying an nvidia 9xxx card vs the 8400 someone posted from newegg? |
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| [21:31:30] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Aw, it'll be okay-- what board did you get? |
| [21:31:52] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: Some of the 9xxx can bitstream VC1 and WMV |
| [21:31:56] | gbee: | inordkuo: 9xxx series support VC-1 ... |
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| [21:32:09] | iamlindoro_: | and the 8xxx and the rest of the 9xxx cannot |
| [21:32:54] | gbee: | not sure that VC-1 support adds real value unless you are using windows anyway, but that's probably just me |
| [21:33:51] | directhex: | not today |
| [21:33:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: Asus M3N78 – main model, with HDMI, DVI and VGA, AM2+ and 8200 IGP |
| [21:33:59] | iamlindoro_: | (or if you have many many HD-DVDs in MythVideo like me) |
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| [21:34:09] | directhex: | which codec do netflix use for their streaming service? |
| [21:34:13] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Cool |
| [21:34:39] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I don't think you'll end up regretting it when you can compile myth and watch BBC-HD at the same time ;) |
| [21:34:42] | gbee: | 2x digital monitor connections was important |
| [21:34:45] | LanUser: | Is there a setting anywhere that I could have mythcommflag ignore a file if it's be trying to flag its for over a week? |
| [21:35:11] | Chutt: | gbee, sure you can use both at once? |
| [21:35:28] | iamlindoro_: | Just kill the mythcommflag process from the command line once it starts |
| [21:35:44] | stuarta: | and remove the job from the jobqueue |
| [21:36:05] | gbee: | Chutt: honestly no, blurb on Asus' site implies you can but if not then VGA+DVI isn't that terrible |
| [21:36:09] | LanUser: | I just didn't know about this problematic file for a while, course I should have know though since nothing new was being flagged |
| [21:36:22] | inordkuo: | i agree with gbee. buying new hardware is stressful. |
| [21:36:27] | gbee: | and if I really have to put in a card, then so be it |
| [21:36:28] | Chutt: | or another $30 for a crappy fanless card |
| [21:37:14] | gbee: | I wasn't going to find anything more promising in the same price bracket, so I took the chance |
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| [21:39:44] | inordkuo: | although buying 2 video cards isn't nearly as bad as replacing 2 perfectly working hd capable but non hd-pvr capable frontends. |
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| [21:41:20] | andycaz: | Can someone give me a tip on how to make sleep and resume work with lirc? Ive tried setting up irexec commands in .lircrc but in terminal it gives me "FATAL: Module acpi_sbs not found." when trying to launch "/etc/acpi/sleep.sh" |
| [21:41:47] | mkrufky: | im very happy with my nvidia 9800 GT's |
| [21:41:59] | mkrufky: | i have two of them in my system, each with 2 dvi ports |
| [21:42:02] | gbee: | heh, just remembered what I forgot ... keyboard, been using laptops for too long |
| [21:42:05] | mkrufky: | so im using 4 and it works fine |
| [21:46:10] | inordkuo: | mkrufky: what do you do with with 4 dvi ports on one machine? |
| [21:46:50] | gbee: | I'm guessing a very impressive 4 monitor setup |
| [21:46:57] | iamlindoro_: | Presumably feed four monitors |
| [21:47:19] | mkrufky: | yes |
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| [21:47:51] | mkrufky: | at this point im now only using 3, and i have a tv hooked up via svideo instead of using the 4th dvi |
| [21:47:59] | gbee: | two is sufficient for most :) |
| [21:48:04] | mkrufky: | (i tried the 4 at once just to see if it would work) |
| [21:48:20] | mkrufky: | yeah, but once you have a triple head setup, you REALLY appreciate it |
| [21:48:33] | directhex: | how about do-decahead? |
| [21:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | Who you callin a dodecahead? |
| [21:49:18] | kormoc: | triple head is rather nice, you don't have a distinct line down the center |
| [21:50:11] | directhex: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . izwall01.jpg |
| [21:50:16] | directhex: | they added another column |
| [21:51:15] | gbee: | three might be a little tight on my desk, I'd have to move the phone and desk lamp |
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| [21:56:18] | mkrufky: | i was afk...... |
| [21:56:26] | mkrufky: | so yeah... im using one of those ergotron mounts |
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| [21:56:32] | mkrufky: | i should take a photo of iot — its sick |
| [21:57:03] | inordkuo: | i for one would love to see it |
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| [21:57:24] | mkrufky: | this is exactly what it looks like: |
| [21:57:25] | mkrufky: | http://www.digitaltigers.com/zenview-trio19pro.asp |
| [21:57:33] | mkrufky: | except that I'm using PLANAR monitors |
| [21:57:51] | mkrufky: | but it is the same ergotron stand as featured in that photo |
| [21:58:13] | mkrufky: | you dont really need _any_ room on a desk — this takes up less of a foot print than two flat panels without a stand ;-) |
| [21:58:24] | inordkuo: | each monitor runs an instance of mythfrontend? |
| [21:58:27] | directhex: | mkrufky, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oto-0010.jpg |
| [21:58:29] | mkrufky: | nah |
| [21:58:35] | mkrufky: | just one instance of mythfrontend at a time |
| [21:58:58] | stuarta: | in my case, head 1 = irc and coding, head 2 = frontend |
| [21:59:07] | mkrufky: | yeah, im not about to sit in front of that tho directhex |
| [21:59:30] | mkrufky: | i hav emyth on head 3, email & firefox on head 1 , coding on head 2 |
| [21:59:47] | mkrufky: | with myth closed, i'll move firefox & im to head 3 |
| [22:00:12] | stuarta: | when doing serious coding, that moves to head 2 |
| [22:00:14] | mkrufky: | its kind of annoying that myth picks the head that IT wants to live on.... sure, i can move it, but it never remembers where i left it |
| [22:00:30] | stuarta: | you don't have it setup right then |
| [22:00:34] | mkrufky: | mplayer lives on head 4 |
| [22:00:53] | stuarta: | there's a setting somewhere that tells it which screen to run on |
| [22:00:59] | mkrufky: | well, i'd LIKE myth to use head 4, svideo |
| [22:01:30] | mkrufky: | but that doesnt work right, cuz the svideo is 800x600 while my flat panels are 1280x1024 .... myth starts up too big for the svideo |
| [22:01:34] | gbee: | mkrufky: setting to pick the screen, mine lives on #2 |
| [22:01:43] | mkrufky: | where is that setting? |
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| [22:02:03] | mkrufky: | im assuming tv playback settings within mythfrontend |
| [22:02:09] | mkrufky: | i'll have to take a look later |
| [22:02:15] | gbee: | Appearance, page 2 "Display on screen:" |
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| [22:02:21] | mkrufky: | ah, ok |
| [22:02:33] | gbee: | where the screens are numbered from zero |
| [22:02:55] | mkrufky: | ...would be even nicer if i could have one icon to make it start up on screen 3 @ 1280x1024 , and a separate icon starting up myth on screen 4 @ 800x600 |
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| [22:03:26] | iamlindoro_: | -geometry and -display |
| [22:03:27] | gbee: | you could, all settings can be overriden on the command line |
| [22:03:33] | mkrufky: | AWESOME |
| [22:03:36] | mkrufky: | yay! |
| [22:03:46] | mkrufky: | hopefully i will remember this tomorrow |
| [22:03:50] | gbee: | and -O SettingName=value |
| [22:03:55] | iamlindoro_: | We'll still be here tomorrow |
| [22:04:12] | mkrufky: | oh, well i dont wanna be THAT GUY that asks the question already answered yesterday :-P |
| [22:04:21] | mkrufky: | but the logs are there, so its cool |
| [22:04:33] | iamlindoro_: | !trout dustybin |
| [22:04:33] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [22:04:40] | iamlindoro_: | yep. They're here alright |
| [22:04:44] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [22:05:55] | gbee: | -O XineramaScreen=#num |
| [22:06:07] | gbee: | should -display not work for some reason ... |
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| [22:06:38] | mkrufky: | i'll be even happier once the nvidia driver lets me use compiz on all 4 screens as a single desktop |
| [22:06:53] | Dagmar: | Not likely to happen. |
| [22:06:54] | directhex: | mkrufky, rather than as 2 desktops? |
| [22:06:55] | ** mkrufky shouldnt hold his breath ** | |
| [22:07:06] | Dagmar: | Not unless you're going to stick with resolutions per screen of 1024x768 and smaller. |
| [22:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | You should be able to play 4 x 1080p videos with that setup, too, fun. |
| [22:07:16] | iamlindoro_: | (with VDPAU) |
| [22:07:21] | mkrufky: | i can play more than 4, iamlindoro |
| [22:07:24] | Dagmar: | There's a hard limit on the size of the GL textures of a maximum of 2048x2048. |
| [22:07:24] | mkrufky: | and yeah that works |
| [22:07:28] | iamlindoro_: | While still doing useful things in the background |
| [22:07:28] | mkrufky: | just no 3d accel |
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| [22:07:58] | Dagmar: | So, the moment you exceed that, GL isn't going to work on that collective display |
| [22:08:01] | directhex: | Dagmar, really? that might explain why the machine above gets rather unhappy |
| [22:08:07] | Dagmar: | Probably so. |
| [22:08:32] | mkrufky: | so are u saying that if i turn off xinerama, i might get two desktops spread across 4 monitors and compiz WILL work? |
| [22:08:59] | mkrufky: | i wont do that... but im just curious |
| [22:09:02] | Dagmar: | Provided you're not exceeding 2048x2048 it's at least possible |
| [22:09:24] | Dagmar: | They actually document the problem in the README better than I'm explaining it. |
| [22:09:52] | at0m|c: | then run another x server for the other 2 screens to increase GL limitation? |
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| [22:14:38] | inordkuo: | any opions on these two video cards? MSI N9400GT vs BIOSTAR VN9402TS51. |
| [22:14:38] | inordkuo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127388 |
| [22:14:38] | inordkuo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141082 |
| [22:14:54] | Saviq: | guys, what about non-ascii chars on LCD? is it doable? |
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| [22:16:55] | inordkuo: | the MSI has a higher core clock 550MHz vs 450MHz and faster memory clock at 800MHz vs 667MHz, but the BIOSTAR has 512MB of memory vs the 256MB of the MSI. is mhz more important than mb? |
| [22:17:20] | abqjp: | fanless: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . N=2010380048 106792522&PropertyCodeValue=679%3A37365%2C679%3A39752%2C679%3A42536%2C679%3A 38081%2C679%3A42261%2C679%3A37879%2C679%3A43539%2C679%3A42535%2C2953%3A18921& ;bop=And&Order=PRICE |
| [22:17:41] | Dagmar: | Anything is more important than not buying Biostar. |
| [22:17:57] | inordkuo: | haha ok |
| [22:18:36] | abqjp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127396 |
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| [22:19:50] | inordkuo: | abqjp: if my mb supports pci express, will a 2.0 work? |
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| [22:20:32] | abqjp: | Pretty sure that 2.0 is backwards compatible. |
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| [22:21:03] | abqjp: | Note, I don't actually have that card, but personally I would not want a fan if I can get away without it. |
| [22:21:24] | abqjp: | Most of the fanless 9000 series nVidia's are dual-slot. |
| [22:21:51] | directhex: | pci express 2.0 is backward compatible in 1.0 slots, and vice versa |
| [22:21:55] | directhex: | but half the data bandwidth |
| [22:21:56] | abqjp: | Hmmm, I actually have a PCIe 2.0 card in a PCIe 1.0 slot, and it works fine. |
| [22:22:00] | inordkuo: | that's a good point. i just assumed i could only use pci express 1.0 cards so i didn't even look at the 2.0 cards |
| [22:23:16] | janneg: | yeah, my passive 9400GT is unfortunately dual slot. noticed that only after I bought it |
| [22:23:33] | abqjp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 2953%3A18921 |
| [22:23:34] | janneg: | and also a PCIe 2.0 card in a 1.0 slot |
| [22:23:52] | Chutt: | fanless just means you need bigger case fans |
| [22:24:09] | janneg: | I guess a low profile card would fit next to it |
| [22:24:15] | abqjp: | yeah, but bigger case fans are quieter than most GPU fans. |
| [22:24:43] | stuarta: | which is a good thing |
| [22:24:43] | janneg: | Chutt: yes but it's not a problem to get silent 12 or 14 cm fans |
| [22:24:46] | Chutt: | in general, yes, but you'd be surprised how many people don't get that |
| [22:24:59] | Chutt: | "it overheated" is kinda common |
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| [23:05:56] | CoreDump: | That heavily depends on the case of course. I agree that overheating is a problem with many barebone / mini / midi cases, but certainly not for many big-towers |
| [23:07:54] | directhex: | this sounds quite daft when i type it: "i have root on over a million and a half pounds of computers" |
| [23:08:00] | kormoc: | Depends on the number of hard drives, they're little heaters |
| [23:08:16] | kormoc: | weight or value? |
| [23:08:30] | directhex: | kormoc, value |
| [23:09:47] | kormoc: | Ahh, I was hoping weight, cause that'd be a amazing number of boxes :) |
| [23:13:38] | ** dustybin is waiting for 2TB drives ** | |
| [23:14:10] | dustybin: | 6x 2TB , more than you will ever need :D |
| [23:14:54] | directhex: | 640 TiB ought to be enough for anybody |
| [23:14:59] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [23:16:08] | dustybin: | i think 6x 2TB drives, connect directly to the motherboards SATA ports, using linux software RAID |
| [23:16:37] | dustybin: | 10TB of storage :D |
| [23:16:48] | directhex: | ad this will fit in your compaq? |
| [23:17:19] | kormoc: | the best part is when one drive fails, the chance of another drive failing during the rebuild period approaches 1 |
| [23:17:22] | dustybin: | my hp is a frontend only box, im slowly going to build a future HD backend box |
| [23:18:01] | dustybin: | kormoc: the data will be backed up anyway |
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| [23:18:48] | directhex: | kormoc, funny thing: at work, i had 2 drive failures on 2 different sata disk enclosures |
| [23:18:54] | directhex: | kormoc, in both cases, the hotspare popped |
| [23:19:23] | dustybin: | what is the best way to backup 10TB of data? using DAT tapes? |
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| [23:20:23] | iamlindoro: | w/ 10 TB worth of Hard Drives. Or LTO-V tape could be good when they come out. |
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| [23:22:45] | clever: | kormoc: theres a thread about that on one of the mailing lists |
| [23:23:02] | clever: | -users i think |
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| [23:24:53] | dustybin: | bloody heck, LTO backup drives are _expensive_ |
| [23:25:23] | iamlindoro: | you want nice stuff and lots of space, you pay for it. Welcome to real life. |
| [23:25:51] | ** dustybin smiles ** | |
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| [23:27:50] | dustybin: | the Iomega REV drives are a reasonable price |
| [23:28:11] | dustybin: | 140Gb max |
| [23:28:39] | iamlindoro: | Yep, 100 disks to your backup, you can play "my media center is an old Sierra Game." |
| [23:28:52] | jams: | the disks are not exactly cheap either |
| [23:31:04] | ** jams can still hear sounds of the floppy drive loading the new screen ** | |
| [23:34:07] | dustybin: | if i backup 10TB of data, should my backup system use some kind of compression technique? |
| [23:34:30] | iamlindoro: | This is all moot, you can't be bothered to get a job, you can't afford 10 TB of *anything* |
| [23:34:30] | dustybin: | then it might come down to 8TB ! |
| [23:35:03] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i hunt for a job everyday :( |
| [23:35:07] | iamlindoro: | And there are few file compression techniques that are going to make any difference on efficiently compressed video |
| [23:35:12] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, oh yeah? What kind of job? |
| [23:35:37] | dustybin: | i been a apple mac artworker for 12 years, now i want to move into IT, i want a 1st line IT support position |
| [23:35:56] | iamlindoro: | Because if you really cared about having a job, you would be flipping burgers somewhere. No joke. |
| [23:36:05] | iamlindoro: | You think you're too good for the jobs that could hold you over. |
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| [23:36:27] | iamlindoro: | And god help anyone you assist if they don't give you a script and insist you follow it. |
| [23:37:12] | dustybin: | I dont mind doing something different, ive been to 1 interview but didnt get the job because i live too far away |
| [23:37:26] | iamlindoro: | I sold vitamins and shoes to put myself through school. Get over yourself. Go work at McDonalds. |
| [23:37:42] | dustybin: | ok :D |
| [23:38:10] | dustybin: | there is a local supermarket around the corner, ill try there |
| [23:38:15] | iamlindoro: | Good. |
| [23:38:27] | dustybin: | you sound like my dad :P |
| [23:38:36] | iamlindoro: | Your dad is right if he sounds like me. |
| [23:38:46] | dustybin: | heh |
| [23:39:02] | iamlindoro: | Scratch that, if your dad has put up with you your whole life and still sounds like me, he's a saint. |
| [23:39:34] | dustybin: | lol |
| [23:40:04] | kormoc: | Wait |
| [23:40:23] | kormoc: | We can only have on dead beat in the channel! It's a fight to the death! clever vs dustybin! |
| [23:40:41] | iamlindoro: | That's not a deathmatch, it's a mutual admiration society |
| [23:40:54] | dustybin: | Let the game begin. |
| [23:41:03] | clever: | i recently put my master backend+stb into the closet |
| [23:41:11] | clever: | its allmost keeping the closet warmer then my bedroom :P |
| [23:41:22] | clever: | i could allmost shut the furnace off |
| [23:41:27] | dustybin: | clever: do you work? |
| [23:41:34] | clever: | nope |
| [23:41:35] | iamlindoro: | Of course he doesn't. |
| [23:41:50] | ** dustybin falls off chair laughing ** | |
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| [23:43:08] | dustybin: | "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done." – Linus Torvalds |
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| [23:43:45] | iamlindoro: | Linus Torvalds has a few impressive accomplishments, but he is *not* the person to aspire to be like. |
| [23:44:00] | kormoc: | dustybin, what work have you actually accomplished? |
| [23:44:17] | dustybin: | erm.. |
| [23:44:41] | dustybin: | my website will be online soon! |
| [23:46:32] | iamlindoro: | I can only take solace in the fact that neither of you will ever manage to reproduce |
| [23:47:59] | XLV: | each dog has its day |
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| [23:57:50] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: There's certain sectors of the workforce where Torvalds' attitude actually works well. |
| [23:58:03] | Dagmar: | See the short story "The Man Who Was Too Lazy To Fail" |
| [23:59:44] | jduggan: | LOL @ iamlindoro |
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