| Thursday, November 20th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I have too many movies to keep restarting frontend between each metadata download :) |
| [00:00:18] | iamlindoro: | xris, Yeah, it's really really good (at least for the mainstreamy sort of stuff I watch) |
| [00:02:03] | iamlindoro: | xris, Believe Greyfoxx has a clever TV grabber working for it with some new fanciness |
| [00:02:07] | xris: | iamlindoro: yeah. looks like it got a facelift since I last looked at it.. maybe I should contact them again. |
| [00:02:28] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, every time I use the word clever in its intended context I feel like I'm using a bad word in here |
| [00:02:40] | gbee: | heh |
| [00:03:57] | iamlindoro: | I was thinking today about something (shudder) the forthcoming Windows 7 MCE does with listings-- puts up what amounts to a "fanart" for each show in the listings as you page through them |
| [00:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Was thinking if there was any way to marry TTVDB and mythfilldatabase to create some mashups for the program guide |
| [00:04:35] | xris: | iamlindoro: it's his own fault for picking a nick based on a dictionary word. :) |
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| [00:04:53] | iamlindoro: | Not in the grid itself, but in the descriptive portion |
| [00:05:01] | xris: | iamlindoro: SD will eventually get some functionality for that. |
| [00:05:01] | iamlindoro: | xris, true... but maybe I need to find a new word ;) |
| [00:05:38] | gbee: | could go in the grid, faded behind the text ... |
| [00:05:46] | xris: | once we start to self-host the data, we'll be able to create a unique id (different from the non-shareable TMS one) for each show, episode, broadcast, etc... and can then tie that into some sort of wiki,e tc. |
| [00:05:59] | xris: | I already have most of the database structure set up. |
| [00:06:05] | gbee: | but displaying all that sort of stuff is easy, just has to be available |
| [00:06:12] | iamlindoro: | That sounds awesome |
| [00:06:29] | xris: | iamlindoro: I hope so. so far no one has applied to my job posting to help out, though. :( |
| [00:06:52] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't be averse to doing some volunteering to do the cross referencing, anyway |
| [00:07:12] | gbee: | xris: what about outside the US? |
| [00:07:24] | iamlindoro: | But I can't help as far as the PHP goes |
| [00:07:50] | gbee: | php is easy |
| [00:07:54] | wagnerrp: | outside the US, i suppose you would have the same difficulty you do already for matching between different guide data providers |
| [00:09:06] | iamlindoro: | Could collaborate with the XMLTV folks to add a new unique identifier for shows |
| [00:09:09] | gbee: | which is why we need a solution independant of guide data, much like the current mythvideo scripts |
| [00:09:20] | iamlindoro: | and make that = the value at TTVDB |
| [00:09:39] | xris: | gbee: we can hopefully make the database public. or at least part of it. |
| [00:09:52] | wagnerrp: | well the current mythvideo scripts are by no means an ideal solution |
| [00:10:11] | wagnerrp: | imdb has trouble sometimes, or gives the wrong movie other times |
| [00:10:12] | gbee: | true, but better than nothing at all |
| [00:10:50] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im amazed the tvrage stuff has worked as well as it has |
| [00:11:25] | gbee: | I'm all for a SD centric solution if it's usable outside the US, otherwise it would have to work alongside scripts |
| [00:11:30] | mik__: | anyone use a Hauppage winttv-pvr-usb2 with myth? |
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| [00:27:36] | squish102: | is there a way to embed the web page username/password required in the url? |
| [00:27:53] | wagnerrp: | for... what? |
| [00:28:09] | squish102: | like pass@asas.com/filename" rel="nofollow">ftp://unamd:pass@asas.com/filename but in http |
| [00:28:18] | squish102: | im going from my phone to wmythweb |
| [00:28:30] | squish102: | and getting an authorization error |
| [00:29:06] | squish102: | ie the pop up box fir username/password does not work on my phone :( (seems like it) |
| [00:29:14] | clever: | http is the same |
| [00:29:21] | clever: | but that needs client side support |
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| [00:29:37] | squish102: | cool,i'll try |
| [00:29:40] | clever: | the http client just moves the name/pw to special http headers |
| [00:37:21] | clever: | ./1045_20080704195800.nuv: 20700 extents found, perfection would be 4 extents |
| [00:37:25] | clever: | holy sh*t! |
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| [00:39:10] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for running so close to full all the time |
| [00:39:21] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:39:29] | clever: | thats also why i just gave mythconverg its own private 2gig fs |
| [00:39:38] | clever: | now it had over 80% free |
| [00:40:32] | clever: | im trying to solve the fragmentation by moving the worst file over to another storage group |
| [00:40:43] | clever: | thru luck, it will get sorted out better and stay there |
| [00:41:27] | clever: | but im allmost down below 1g on all 5 storage groups |
| [00:43:08] | iamlindoro: | GET JOB BUY DISK |
| [00:43:47] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i'm receiving music choice now |
| [00:43:52] | clever: | update recorded set autoexpire=1; |
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| [00:44:04] | clever: | thats the lazy way to fix it:P |
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| [00:44:50] | iamlindoro: | The lazy way to fix anything is whatever way you do it |
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| [01:02:15] | grndslm: | anybody here use xbox media center as a frontend for myth? |
| [01:02:31] | grndslm: | just found out it works on linux and is supposedly pretty compatible with the backend.... |
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| [01:02:55] | grndslm: | BUT i can't get recordings to play at regular speed... it's always sped up |
| [01:04:06] | iamlindoro: | Ask them, we don't support their software |
| [01:04:43] | iamlindoro: | Last time I checked it (recently) their player was a horrible nasty mess |
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| [01:13:48] | grndslm: | xbox media center isn't that bad. it looks pretty, mouse works extremely well (always wanted that for myth), other plugins seem to work better than the way myth-plugins work.... |
| [01:14:03] | grndslm: | but i can't figure out why the normal playback speed isn't really normal |
| [01:14:28] | grndslm: | oh well, i doubt auto-skipping commercials works with xbmc, so i'll be sticking with myth-frontend for awhile |
| [01:16:42] | iamlindoro: | They're all UI, their player is a horrible mess. And if your Media Center's player is a disaster, you have a problem. Has a tendency to crash at the end of playback and hold onto the mouse until you kill X, is based on an ANCIENT version of libavcodec, etc. |
| [01:17:04] | directhex: | isn't it all mplayer under the layers of candy? |
| [01:17:13] | directhex: | a very old mplayer |
| [01:18:57] | iamlindoro: | not on linux |
| [01:19:05] | iamlindoro: | on linux they use their own libav* based player |
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| [01:20:35] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah! USB Disco Mouse on woot! |
| [01:20:48] | iamlindoro: | When I asked about it they said something to the extent of "maybe next version." As much as I admire some of what they've done (library organization/metadata usage) if your first priority is the shinies and not the underlying functionality it seems... bad. |
| [01:21:15] | grndslm: | function over form... but good form is always wanted |
| [01:21:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I got first billing in the "I understand old-timers telling us off once in a while" thread... :) |
| [01:22:00] | iamlindoro: | YES |
| [01:22:01] | sphery: | I also noticed you still have people second-guessing your patch |
| [01:22:02] | ** iamlindoro goes to read ** | |
| [01:22:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery, oh, do I? Off the read, then |
| [01:22:43] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/358211#358211 |
| [01:22:43] | grndslm: | when's the next version of myth gonna come out? |
| [01:22:52] | wagnerrp: | soon |
| [01:22:59] | grndslm: | within a month? |
| [01:23:02] | iamlindoro: | I suggest a response of "you kids get off my lawn!" |
| [01:23:11] | wagnerrp: | within a few years |
| [01:23:30] | iamlindoro: | no. |
| [01:23:42] | grndslm: | version 1.0 will be out within a few years, i hope |
| [01:24:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont see mythtv ever having a '1.0' |
| [01:24:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Meh, they don't get a vote, particularly on the -users list. Dunno what about "I'll do it the way that works for me and do it for someone else when I get around to it" is so hard |
| [01:24:13] | iamlindoro: | 1.0 means nothing |
| [01:24:41] | wagnerrp: | you could just as well call mythtv version 21, as 0.21 |
| [01:25:00] | wagnerrp: | you could also call it version Dancing Monkies |
| [01:25:07] | wagnerrp: | but most other people wouldnt |
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| [01:25:37] | grndslm: | USB Pole Dancer: http://www.woot.com/blog/viewentry.aspx?id=6192 |
| [01:25:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the ubuntuans might |
| [01:26:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: here's the thread that second-guesses yours (at least they took it to the list, though): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/358271#358271 |
| [01:26:31] | sphery: | like you, though, I say they don't get a vote |
| [01:26:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nah, they have to have two words of the same first letter, so something like Molesting Monkeys would work |
| [01:27:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Against my better judgment I intend to respond. |
| [01:27:21] | iamlindoro: | Marauding Macqaque |
| [01:27:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro: it's so addictive... kind of like sticking your finger in an electrical outlet. |
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| [01:29:31] | iamlindoro: | sphery, We need to talk about some of these addictions of yours |
| [01:30:04] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:30:21] | sphery: | I picked up the outlet one /after/ the mythtv-users one |
| [01:30:32] | sphery: | it's kind of a natural follow-on |
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| [01:36:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /239330.html |
| [01:41:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: only other thing I would have said is the obligatory, "if you can do it better, submit your own patch." |
| [01:41:21] | sphery: | almost always chases them away :) |
| [01:42:14] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I've been tempted, but then I'm worried someone WOULD and I think my reasons for keeping it out of the db are sound at the moment (would rather wait for the ability to tag video types rather than recreate a parallel videometadata) |
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| [01:43:26] | sphery: | yeah, but, IMHO, that's their wasted time |
| [01:43:48] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention *MythVideo* doesn't have a playlist functionality (aside from play next) and they want me to write one for this? |
| [01:44:20] | iamlindoro: | Seems putting the cart before the horse |
| [01:44:33] | sphery: | yeah, another reason for the "put up or shut up" approach. |
| [01:45:13] | sphery: | but I can understand your concern over their taking your patching and hacking it in the wrong direction |
| [01:45:21] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and finally (I'll stop now I promise) if your media player determines the container and or codecs from the extensions, you NEED A NEW MEDIA PLAYER |
| [01:45:22] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: generally you can assume that if I don't close it some version of the patch is going to make it in, last time I looked at your patch it will be mostly unmodified |
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| [01:46:57] | tzanger: | whoa... does 0.21-fixes have multirec in by default? |
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| [01:47:09] | jblack: | tzanger: Yeah. |
| [01:47:10] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: yes |
| [01:47:11] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Thank you much for that, I *do* acknowledge it could be better in a number of ways (even ways involving the database) but it seemed knowing the direction MV was going it could wait |
| [01:47:14] | tzanger: | suh-weet |
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| [01:47:21] | tzanger: | that's pretty nifty |
| [01:47:24] | wagnerrp: | except the HDHomeRun, multirec is not yet supported for that |
| [01:47:31] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:47:45] | tzanger: | I thought something wwas screwy but all three programs (on 2 encoders) seem to be recording correctly |
| [01:47:48] | tzanger: | that's awesome |
| [01:48:00] | sphery: | I'm just the kind of guy who would be happy to ignore their updates to the patch as I do further updates to my own. Of course, you knew that as I'm a "long-time member who tells people on the list off now and again." |
| [01:48:02] | tzanger: | I thought I had my recorder groups mixed up |
| [01:48:06] | squish103: | tzanger i had the exact same feeling yesterday ;) |
| [01:48:10] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to March ;) |
| [01:48:11] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: Yeah, my initial thought was to have you add a utility function that returns the trailer given a Metadata item, decided it was easy enough to do and that I didn't want to do the DB support UI yet either. |
| [01:48:14] | tzanger: | hahaha |
| [01:48:15] | jblack: | as I remember, you have to actively enable the option. Shouldn't have turned itself on on it's own. |
| [01:48:21] | iamlindoro: | (last) |
| [01:48:30] | wagnerrp: | default is 2, i think you can go up to 5 without some very minor code modifications |
| [01:48:58] | wagnerrp: | its a setting in mythtv-setup |
| [01:49:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and I completely agree with the need-a-new-media-player argument. I almost responded to that one with, "You don't mean it would break media players, you mean broken Windows/Windows Media Players wouldn't be able to use it." |
| [01:49:12] | tzanger: | jblack: I do not recall enabling it |
| [01:49:22] | wagnerrp: | jblack: its enabled by default |
| [01:49:29] | wagnerrp: | i never had to touch it for it to work |
| [01:49:55] | squish103: | and i magically recorded 2 HD shows at the same time, without knowing it |
| [01:50:28] | tzanger: | aha |
| [01:50:34] | tzanger: | "max recordings" is set to 2 by default |
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| [01:50:45] | tzanger: | squish102: nice |
| [01:51:22] | tzanger: | I'ma ctaully looking at building a USB2 DVB-S2 device (I can get DVB-S2 NIMs for the same price I can get DVB-S ones for, so why not?) |
| [01:51:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: not to mention if people really want a Windows-compatible filename with "standard" extension (which, BTW, are by no means standard as people think), they put the trailers wherever they want and use "ln -s /path/to/my/personal/trailers/directory/My\ Trailer\ with\ Brain-dead\ Windows\ Filename.mov /path/to/MythVideo/Videos/My/Movie/Movie_Name.mpg.trailer" |
| [01:51:55] | tzanger: | too bad I couldn't get multiple transport streams with DVB-T too |
| [01:52:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery, In theory I'm not totally against the idea of a trailer dir set in the database, but UGH, does Myth need yet another direcotry that needs network mounting? No thanks. |
| [01:53:05] | iamlindoro: | er directory |
| [02:00:48] | sphery: | yeah, for the directory, it can use storage groups once MV does. But the link would be to allow them to have a .trailer extension on the one used by MV but not on the one used by Windows |
| [02:06:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, The worst part is when I decide to work on something that's suggest I feel like they'll think it was their idea ;) |
| [02:07:00] | iamlindoro: | s/suggested/ |
| [02:07:08] | iamlindoro: | s/suggest/suggested/ |
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| [02:27:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | having "yet another nfs share to mount" is not really a problem if you think ahead. |
| [02:27:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | mount a common parent |
| [02:27:58] | iamlindoro: | JEDIDIAH__, It's not the way myth is going forward, so it's useless to act like it is. |
| [02:28:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's easy enough to set up something of your own design for your own use anyways. |
| [02:30:54] | iamlindoro: | JEDIDIAH__, I'm not going to write my patch for a behavior that is going away in the next few weeks. Why would I want to? |
| [02:33:39] | wagnerrp: | well i got the camera working |
| [02:33:49] | wagnerrp: | and there is all of NO low-light performance |
| [02:33:57] | sphery: | webcam? |
| [02:34:09] | wagnerrp: | one off woot about a week ago |
| [02:34:16] | sphery: | oh |
| [02:35:07] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can pop it open and remove the IR filter |
| [02:35:23] | Gumby: | hi all, is there a way to tell if mythtv is using v4l-dvb ? |
| [02:36:09] | Gumby: | I compled with --dvb-path= but i am not sure it worked properly |
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| [02:54:04] | GreyFoxx: | iamlin: MetadataListManager::loadAllFromDatabase |
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| [03:03:32] | fuxxy: | Anyone set up a HDHomerun on gentoo backend? Suppsedly there's some hdhomerun-tools I need? |
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| [03:14:41] | fuxxy: | I have comcast cable in Houston, TX. How do I find out what modulation (QAM-256, 128, or 64) is used here? |
| [03:15:43] | fuxxy: | ooh, mythtv-setup crashed. |
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| [03:18:39] | iamlindoro: | It's almost certainly QAM-256 in the US. |
| [03:18:53] | iamlindoro: | and if it crashed while scanning, "taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup" |
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| [03:19:53] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, yes, it crashed immediately after pressing "next" in the Scan Configuration. |
| [03:21:28] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, kill mythtv-setup before doing this, correct? |
| [03:21:38] | fuxxy: | I'm not familliar with the taskset workaround. |
| [03:22:12] | iamlindoro: | yes, kill mythtv-setup, run it as indicated above |
| [03:22:40] | fuxxy: | Do I need to be root for the taskset workaround? |
| [03:23:11] | iamlindoro: | I don't believe so |
| [03:23:30] | iamlindoro: | at most you would want sudo, as you'd want to still be running mythtv-setup as the correct user |
| [03:24:06] | fuxxy: | I need to find a good book. I don't know the difference between the "cable High, Cable HRC High, Cable IRC High, etc" frequency tables. |
| [03:24:24] | fuxxy: | I've never set up digital on myth before. |
| [03:25:06] | iamlindoro: | The only differences in those tables are on channels 5 and 6, but you probably want "cable" |
| [03:25:31] | fuxxy: | "Cable High" (as suggested in the help text at the bottom) appears to be getting some channels, mostly encrypted it seems. |
| [03:25:53] | iamlindoro: | Cable High is just a subset of cable, you should use that. |
| [03:26:41] | fuxxy: | sigh, comcast. Everything's encrypted. |
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| [03:27:01] | fuxxy: | not finished scanning yet though. |
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| [03:35:53] | fuxxy: | hmm, I got my channel seperator character mixed up |
| [03:35:57] | fuxxy: | one tuner has an underscore, the other tuner has no seperator |
| [03:36:05] | fuxxy: | both recieved channels.. |
| [03:36:10] | fuxxy: | I wonder... |
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| [03:46:27] | fuxxy: | Wow, this is weird |
| [03:46:43] | fuxxy: | it seems I'm not getting the local stations on digital. |
| [03:46:49] | fuxxy: | I'm getting channels, though. |
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| [03:47:46] | fuxxy: | and they're all shown as "unknown", even though I've set up schedulesDirect Lineup information. |
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| [03:50:23] | sphery: | fuxxy: for digital, you have to do a channel scan, then you have to link up the channels you've found with channels from SD using the xmltvid |
| [03:50:28] | tony403: | is there a card that works with digital cable? |
| [03:50:33] | sphery: | see the wiki page for how |
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| [03:53:15] | qfx: | tony403, courtesy iamlindoro: stop by the DVB wiki at www.linuxtv.org |
| [03:53:41] | sphery: | fuxxy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor |
| [03:53:59] | tony403: | thanks, i think i found a link on google |
| [03:54:30] | qfx: | tony403, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware |
| [03:54:37] | tony403: | anyone recommend a good tuner for digital cable? |
| [03:54:59] | qfx: | now that's a different question! Sorry, never used it... but let me know what you find out I've been thinking about it |
| [03:58:50] | Gumby: | hi all, is it possible to tell if my is using v4l properly? (im trying to get it to work with my dvb-s card) |
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| [04:01:26] | fuxxy: | wow, I keep crashing the frontend |
| [04:02:30] | fuxxy: | http://rafb.net/p/BHDUTs94.html |
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| [04:05:10] | fuxxy: | all the 80# channels |
| [04:05:42] | iamlindoro: | Most like audio channels, myth doesn't like those. |
| [04:07:04] | fuxxy: | isn't there a channel editor in mythweb? |
| [04:07:10] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
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| [04:07:25] | fuxxy: | Where is it? |
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| [04:07:38] | iamlindoro: | Settings |
| [04:08:05] | fuxxy: | "Channel Info" ? |
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| [04:08:47] | iamlindoro: | Wonder how much time it took you to type that question versus just clicking it for yourself. |
| [04:09:17] | fuxxy: | multitasking, sorry. Did both at the same time :) |
| [04:11:57] | fuxxy: | grrr. |
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| [04:12:11] | fuxxy: | deleted all the digital channel 80#X's, and now livetv won't start |
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| [04:12:40] | fuxxy: | 2008-11–19 22:11:46.878 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [04:12:40] | fuxxy: | 2008-11–19 22:11:46.880 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [04:13:28] | Anduin: | mythtv-setup would have prompted you to correct the start channel |
| [04:21:59] | fuxxy: | Anduin, Thanks. |
| [04:22:04] | fuxxy: | I belive it's time for me to go. |
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| [04:45:18] | wagnerrp: | anyone have the nvidia beta drivers working with a composite output? |
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| [05:33:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, nope, sorry, DVI and HDMI only here |
| [05:34:12] | wagnerrp: | works fine on DVI and VGA |
| [05:34:39] | wagnerrp: | but even going into the nvidia-settings and forcefully telling it to output on the TV doesnt work |
| [05:34:58] | wagnerrp: | console works just fine on the TV, its just X that has problems |
| [05:36:41] | iamlindoro: | Are you on .06 or .08? |
| [05:37:09] | iamlindoro: | (if on .06 might be worth trying .08) |
| [05:37:22] | wagnerrp: | previously 06 |
| [05:37:32] | wagnerrp: | im trying to get a package manager overlay working for 08 |
| [05:38:04] | wagnerrp: | as well as an updated nvidia-settings |
| [05:38:16] | wagnerrp: | i was still using the old one from my previous 173 drivers |
| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | well i was disappointed with the limited testing i did with the camera on linux in mplayer |
| [05:41:39] | wagnerrp: | but i just tried it with the real application in windows |
| [05:41:50] | wagnerrp: | the low-light performance in windows is radically better |
| [05:42:21] | wagnerrp: | an IR remote works just like a flashlight |
| [05:42:49] | wagnerrp: | i hope if i get zoneminder built and set up, it will have similar shutter control |
| [05:43:44] | wagnerrp: | my TV remote is like a flashlight, my harmony is like a spotlight |
| [05:43:50] | wagnerrp: | damn those things have powerful transmitters |
| [05:46:35] | jpabq: | Newegg has the LG blu-ray/HD-DVD rom drive on sale for $110 (coupon code LGBDROM40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . E16827136133 |
| [05:46:39] | jpabq: | http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/142766 |
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| [05:49:24] | tony403: | anyone know when all QAM tv will be encrypted in the US? |
| [05:49:32] | wagnerrp: | tony403: never |
| [05:49:44] | tony403: | i heard it may someday be |
| [05:49:54] | wagnerrp: | cablecos are required by FCC mandate to rebroadcast anything available over ATSC in the clear |
| [05:50:32] | tony403: | i'm looking for a good card for when my cable co. goes digital and i hear i need one that supports clear QAM. so if i get one, it should last a while right? meaning the cable standard? |
| [05:51:16] | tony403: | so i will just need a cablecard for HBO, Cinemax, etc? |
| [05:51:16] | wagnerrp: | QAM is the digital cable standard, but youre not likely to get anything more than you can over ATSC |
| [05:51:31] | jpabq: | My sister's cable co does NOT broadcast her local stations in HD in the clear, but they do broadcast the SD version in the clear. They claim that is all the regulation requires. |
| [05:51:32] | wagnerrp: | you need a cablecard tuner for HBO/Cinemax/etc... |
| [05:51:44] | wagnerrp: | however you cannot but a cablecard tuner |
| [05:51:57] | wagnerrp: | and there are no drivers for cablecard tuners in linux (and probably never will be) |
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| [05:52:21] | wagnerrp: | and theyre trying to push out cablecard in favor of something that supports 2-way communication |
| [05:52:40] | tony403: | what about the upper channels. Nickelodeon for the kids and Disney channel should be alright, correct? |
| [05:52:47] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [05:52:57] | wagnerrp: | i only get the local ATSC channels over QAM |
| [05:53:02] | wagnerrp: | some people are luck, and get more |
| [05:53:34] | tony403: | crap. so why does it seem so popular if you can only get a few stations? or is most of the world still on analog as i still am? |
| [05:53:41] | wagnerrp: | check http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels for an idea of what you should expect to get over ATSC and QAM in your area |
| [05:53:59] | wagnerrp: | digital cable lets you get all those channels |
| [05:54:00] | tony403: | thanks for the link |
| [05:54:16] | tony403: | just not on a pc, right? |
| [05:54:19] | wagnerrp: | digital cable does not allow linux users with digital tuners to get those channels |
| [05:54:41] | jpabq: | tony403, do you care about HD? |
| [05:54:47] | wagnerrp: | you may have better luck trying firewire capture from an STB |
| [05:54:54] | tony403: | jpabq, it would be good, but not necessarily |
| [05:54:57] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, the only option is analog capture off an STB |
| [05:55:14] | wagnerrp: | cheap and easy route is a PVR card connected to the STB over svideo |
| [05:55:19] | tony403: | STB, is that a cablebox? |
| [05:55:24] | wagnerrp: | with either firewire or ir to change the channels on the STB |
| [05:55:27] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:55:47] | wagnerrp: | expensive and intensive route is to get an HDPVR to do HD component capture off the STB |
| [05:56:06] | wagnerrp: | then you have to run trunk to use it |
| [05:56:10] | jpabq: | Like wagnerrp says, analog capture is your only option, if firewire does not work (and it does not work for 98% of the people). If you want HD, then the only product currently available is the HD-PVR. |
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| [05:56:47] | tony403: | crap, i may just get an HD-PVR to hook up to my PC then |
| [05:57:11] | jpabq: | someone says that Dell has the best price on the HD-PVR: sub $200. |
| [05:57:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, somewhere around $180 |
| [05:57:46] | jpabq: | Like wagnerrp says though, if you want to use it with Myth, you have to run the (extermely unstable) trunk version of Myth. |
| [05:58:06] | wagnerrp: | now until the new VDPAU capability gets added to mythtv, you will need a very capable processor to decode output from an HDPVR |
| [05:58:45] | wagnerrp: | 2Ghz C2D should probably do the default bitrate from it |
| [05:59:01] | wagnerrp: | 3+Ghz C2D is needed for the highest bitrates coming out of it |
| [05:59:03] | tony403: | using a Q6600, should be fine |
| [05:59:19] | wagnerrp: | dual or quad or whatever makes no difference |
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| [05:59:29] | wagnerrp: | its single sliced so a quad has no advantage over a single core |
| [05:59:34] | tony403: | using that link, there's lots of channels you can get, probably more than i'm getting on analog. wtf? |
| [06:00:02] | tony403: | all these channels can be gotten over the air for free? how do they make money? |
| [06:01:22] | wagnerrp: | 8vsb is whats over the air |
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| [06:01:43] | wagnerrp: | a lot of those channels are going to be PBS channels on a multiplex |
| [06:01:43] | tony403: | from how far can i receive over the air signals? these apparently seem very non-local |
| [06:02:01] | wagnerrp: | one digital 'channel' can hold several streams |
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| [06:02:23] | wagnerrp: | check antennaweb.org for a better idea of where broadcast stations are around you |
| [06:02:32] | wagnerrp: | and what kind of antenna you would need to receive them |
| [06:02:43] | tony403: | oh, ok. i get qam and atsc mixed up |
| [06:03:11] | wagnerrp: | the main networks usually only have a single news or weather subchannel beyond their main channel |
| [06:03:30] | wagnerrp: | one of the stations near me used to have an audio subchannel, but later cancelled that service |
| [06:04:37] | tony403: | geez, why pay for cable now? i should've just bought a digituner earlier if it's free |
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| [06:05:17] | wagnerrp: | you only want the broadcast channels? |
| [06:05:35] | MoeGreen: | Maybe a dumb quesiton.... but i know PCI-E with play high def, but will AGP 8x and im just talking about the default media player..not high def signal tv or anything. |
| [06:05:42] | MoeGreen: | i need to build another mythbox and want to use spare parts around the house and have lots of HD videos |
| [06:06:20] | tony403: | wagnerrp, that's all i can get with a qam/atsc tuner, right? |
| [06:06:36] | wagnerrp: | MoeGreen: AGP 8x is plenty capable of anything you would throw at it |
| [06:06:41] | tony403: | without a cablecard? |
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| [06:07:08] | wagnerrp: | tony403: yes and no |
| [06:07:24] | MoeGreen: | k thats what i thought just wasnt sure, cause my other mythbox eats up the planet earth HD series and just wanted to make sure AGP would do the same. |
| [06:07:33] | wagnerrp: | you may get more than the local broadcast channels, the first link would have shown if that were true |
| [06:07:43] | wagnerrp: | and you may get more channels if you get a firewire stb |
| [06:07:52] | wagnerrp: | if youre already paying for cable, its worth a try |
| [06:07:54] | tony403: | also, why does it say these channels are in my zip code or is my cable co. sending me both digital and analog signals? |
| [06:08:14] | wagnerrp: | your cableco uses 2–77 for analog |
| [06:08:24] | wagnerrp: | and 78–120something for digital |
| [06:08:47] | dustybin: | before one builds a HD frontend, one needs to ask one self, are you going to only be using it to playback HD broadcast only or will you also be using it to playback HD movies |
| [06:09:06] | tony403: | so if i had a digital tuner card, i could already receive those channels? i guess i was thinking i had to wait on them to tell us |
| [06:09:23] | wagnerrp: | MoeGreen: basically, what is the bitrate and format of the video you will need to playback |
| [06:09:38] | MoeGreen: | 720p videos that i download |
| [06:09:43] | wagnerrp: | if you had a digital tuner card, you could get the QAM channels listed on the silicondust site right now |
| [06:09:51] | MoeGreen: | my tv only supports 720 |
| [06:10:03] | wagnerrp: | MoeGreen: so pirated h.264 content over bittorrent then? |
| [06:10:27] | MoeGreen: | haha torrents..yeah right man...i use nothing but usenet :) |
| [06:10:43] | MoeGreen: | 1.23mb/sec! |
| [06:10:56] | dustybin: | O_O |
| [06:11:04] | wagnerrp: | either way... pirated content... not talk allowed in this channel |
| [06:11:28] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if youre not planning on recording TV, mythtv probably isnt the tool for you |
| [06:11:29] | dustybin: | rip your own movies, piracy is lame |
| [06:12:01] | wagnerrp: | and as far a playback, that content probably peaks out somewhere around 6–7mbit |
| [06:12:07] | MoeGreen: | what else do you suggest cause i already have myth setup in another room and it works just fine for what i need it to do |
| [06:12:21] | wagnerrp: | meaning just about any AMD64 or C2D should be able to play it |
| [06:12:28] | MoeGreen: | i just need to build another one with AGP |
| [06:12:28] | wagnerrp: | any dual core processor certainly |
| [06:12:51] | wagnerrp: | older P4s or AthXPs may be a bit too slow |
| [06:13:17] | tony403: | i don't see Disney or Nickelodeon in the link so apparently it's not a clearQAM or ATSC channel. I guess my only option is a PVR if I want those, right? |
| [06:13:30] | dustybin: | by the time i build a HD backend box, 2TB drives would have been released hopefully :) |
| [06:13:32] | MoeGreen: | nah..i got a 2.4ghz with 2gb of ram so it should be fine |
| [06:13:41] | wagnerrp: | tony403: rather your only option is analog capture through an STB |
| [06:13:51] | wagnerrp: | so an IVTV card, or HDPVR |
| [06:14:15] | wagnerrp: | 2.4GHz... hopefully not a P4? |
| [06:14:22] | MoeGreen: | yeah why? |
| [06:14:38] | wagnerrp: | a 2.4GHz P4 probably wont cut it for those bitrates |
| [06:14:52] | MoeGreen: | for HD bitrates? |
| [06:14:58] | tony403: | wagnerrp, and they come with cablecards to receive those channels? is there any you would recommend to buy? |
| [06:15:10] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to push 4–5mbit on that chip |
| [06:15:21] | wagnerrp: | but if youve already got all the parts, go ahead and give it a try |
| [06:15:21] | tony403: | sorry, i appreciate all the answers but the new standards are kind of confusing |
| [06:15:28] | MoeGreen: | yeah thats probably true :( |
| [06:15:48] | MoeGreen: | what about a 64 2.4? |
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| [06:16:06] | wagnerrp: | tony403: the STB does not need a cablecard, since it has the decryption hardware built in |
| [06:16:18] | wagnerrp: | but you cannot buy an STB, you rent it from the cableco |
| [06:16:23] | tony403: | oh, ok |
| [06:16:44] | wagnerrp: | MoeGreen: an Ath64 2.4Ghz would probably manage 8–9mbps |
| [06:16:44] | jpabq: | tony403, if you want to capture the output of your cable STB, then you either need a capture card that handles s-video (for standard def), or component (for high def). |
| [06:17:04] | wagnerrp: | and that stuff scales almost linearly with cores, so dual and quad chips are that much more powerful |
| [06:17:53] | wagnerrp: | and back downstairs to test the drivers... |
| [06:17:55] | tony403: | jpabq, i have a Hauppauge PVR150. will quality take a hit if i recorded digital cable to my pc. i mean, can i do it without it going to standard def.? |
| [06:19:34] | jpabq: | tony403, the PVR150 is very good at up to 480i resolutions. Is your STB high-def or standard-def? You *can* use the pvr-150 to capture high-def channels. You will take a quality hit, *but* the high-def channels will look MUCH better than their standard-def counterparts — even on the pvr-150. |
| [06:20:03] | jpabq: | If you want to capture 720p or 1080i, then you will have to get a HD-PVR. |
| [06:20:13] | tony403: | jpabq, i don't have an stb yet. i haven't gone digital yet |
| [06:20:34] | tony403: | so this will will work? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [06:20:54] | jpabq: | tony403, your cable co's High def STB will have a s-video output, that the PVR-150 can record from. |
| [06:20:58] | jpabq: | tony403, yes. |
| [06:21:00] | tony403: | will it let me get all the kids channels, discovery, etc that i pay for and good quality? no hassles? |
| [06:21:32] | MoeGreen: | thx for your help wag. |
| [06:21:43] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR offers the highest quality capture currently available. It will record whatever the STB sends out it's component outputs, all the way up to 1080i. |
| [06:21:51] | tony403: | wagnerrp, thanks also here, you've been very helpful |
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| [06:22:52] | tony403: | jpabq, crap, so i'll still need an STB? the video's going to be digital, going to analog in the stb, then shrunk via the encoding card. i'd just like plain digital to digital if possible |
| [06:23:46] | jpabq: | tony403, not possible. The good ol' MPAA has made it impossible to go pure digital. They think there are too many pirates in the world. |
| [06:24:03] | jpabq: | So yes, you must go digital -> analog -> digital. |
| [06:24:16] | tony403: | i thought the cablecard PC's done digi-to-digi |
| [06:24:47] | jpabq: | yes, but you cannot (and never will) be able to get a cablecard pc which run linux. |
| [06:25:03] | jpabq: | the mpaa also thinks all linux users are pirates. |
| [06:25:42] | tony403: | yeah, i hate all the drm crap |
| [06:26:06] | jpabq: | tony403, the good news about the HD-PVR, is it works with any stb. So, in the future if you decide to switch to satellite, you are still covered. |
| [06:26:58] | jpabq: | you do take a very minor visual hit with the hd-pvr because of the digital->analog->digital process, but it is minor. Basically, the image ends up slightly softened. |
| [06:27:03] | tony403: | i have vista also. how much would a cablecard be and could i get one now? |
| [06:27:51] | jpabq: | I believe that even if you are running vista, you cannot *add* a cable card to it. You must buy the whole PC pre-build with it. Not positive about that, but pretty sure. |
| [06:28:38] | tony403: | i like as pure video as i can get. also, i have my daughter every other weekend and she wants her hannah montana pvr'd when she's here cuz her mom doesn't get it. can't let her down |
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| [06:29:40] | tony403: | i'll hold onto analog for a while. pretty happy with it |
| [06:29:50] | jpabq: | I agree. However there are trade-offs no matter how you do it. For me, being able to take advantage of all of myths features (commercial skipping, etc), is worth the very minor hit in video quality. |
| [06:29:51] | tony403: | didn't think digital pvr'ing would be so constrained |
| [06:30:07] | jpabq: | Thanks the MPAA |
| [06:31:11] | tony403: | yeah, sucks |
| [06:31:20] | jpabq: | the hd-pvr will capture the digital audio unmolested, so you can get dolby digital 5.1 |
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| [06:33:21] | tony403: | i think i'll look into the cablecard thing and see if it's available. money's no big deal but i'd like good quality and all the channels |
| [06:33:27] | jpabq: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDPVR |
| [06:33:31] | tony403: | that is...all the channels i currently get |
| [06:34:21] | jpabq: | Do lots of research. I have read a lot of horror stories about cable cards, and how flakey they are. I don't have any personal experience with them though. |
| [06:34:31] | jpabq: | I have two HD-PVRs and will not give them up. |
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| [06:37:19] | tony403: | just googled some more, looks next to impossible now |
| [06:37:36] | tony403: | perhaps i may just go the pvr way |
| [06:38:10] | tony403: | but also means i'd have to spend more money and get another tv as well as pvr |
| [06:38:41] | tony403: | idk, i'll think it over. thanks for the help |
| [06:39:01] | jpabq: | If you already own the PVR-150, I would recommend getting a hi-def STB and use it to feed the PVR-150. Later you can upgrade to the HD-PVR after you are satisfied that Myth is going to work for you. |
| [06:40:02] | jpabq: | Also, just to reiterate, the HD-PVR support is not available in the *stable* version of Myth. A new stable release of Myth won't be released until next year. |
| [06:40:31] | tony403: | so going that route, how much are stb's usually from the cable co? doesn't the govt usually give you a good deal on one or a coupon? |
| [06:41:12] | tony403: | i guess that's better to ask my cable co. |
| [06:41:14] | jpabq: | Not the same thing. The gov coupons are for over-the-air converter boxes. Cable co will charge you anywhere from $5 to $15 per month. |
| [06:41:55] | jpabq: | That is one of the reasons I went with satellite — the charge less for the STBs. |
| [06:42:50] | tony403: | geez, and they wonder why they have to worry about hacks |
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| [06:43:13] | tony403: | when i was growing up, we only had 13 channels and cable hacking was easy |
| [06:44:30] | LonEagle_: | that's cause cable was just a community antenna :P |
| [06:45:17] | jpabq: | The switch to digital over-the-air in February of 2009 actually has *nothing* to do with cable. However, most cable cos are using it as an excuse to force people to give up their analog cable tv in favor of digital STBs. Many cable cos are even lying to their customers claiming that they must do it because of the OTA switch to digital. |
| [06:46:57] | tony403: | and clearly the co's are taking advantage considering the cost of stb's |
| [06:47:18] | jpabq: | tony403, Personally I use HDhomerun to get all of my OTA channels (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, PBS, WB). Then I use two of the HD-PVRs for the non-OTA channels (SciFi, Discovery, etc). That way I can record four things at once, and only pay for two STBs. |
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| [06:48:24] | jpabq: | The HDhomerun is awesome device. It works great for any OTA channels. It can also tune any unencrypted channels from your cable co. |
| [06:50:49] | tony403: | googling, it seems $160. i think i'd be better off with a new tuner card |
| [06:51:06] | jpabq: | Hey psipsi__, tony403 here is considering getting a HD-PVR. |
| [06:51:10] | wagnerrp: | price and lack of multirec support are its only two faults |
| [06:51:31] | jpabq: | tony403, psipsi__ is another HD-PVR users. |
| [06:53:23] | tony403: | i think i'd rather just use my pc. i have 2 tb's of hdd space and plenty of resources. also not much room in my apt either |
| [06:53:51] | LonEagle_: | hey when i hit "fetch channels from listings source" in mythtv-setup input connections, nothing happens |
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| [06:54:02] | LonEagle_: | even though i have a set up datadirect thing |
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| [06:55:53] | tony403: | surely there's an unencrypted signal that ultimately ends at the monitor that can be hacked so we can attain pure hd |
| [06:56:16] | jpabq: | tony403, perhaps, but we don't discuss such things in this channel. |
| [06:56:34] | tony403: | jpabq, i guess so |
| [06:56:41] | jpabq: | tony403, actually, there is: OTA |
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| [06:57:03] | jpabq: | The ATSC channels you get via an antenna are not encrypted. |
| [06:57:15] | tony403: | jpabq, yeah, but i can't apparently get Discovery that way and my daughter wants her Disney channel |
| [06:57:38] | jpabq: | Yeah. If you want any "premium" channels, your options are limited. |
| [06:57:52] | LonEagle: | you can take what the cable monopoly offers you for a "pvr" |
| [06:58:13] | jpabq: | tony403, another options you have, is to just get a PVR *from* your cable company. My experience with their PVRs, though, is that they suck feature wise. |
| [06:58:20] | tony403: | though i watch more than discovery. though there's really not much good tv these days or i've just mostly gotten bored with it |
| [06:58:52] | jpabq: | Some members here just use OTA supplemented with Netflix. |
| [06:59:20] | LonEagle: | tony403: the plus side of taking the pvr that your cable company has is that the wife acceptance factor is much larger |
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| [07:00:09] | LonEagle: | god it doesn't even give me an error. seems like it pulled the title of my schedulesdirect listing okay |
| [07:01:01] | tony403: | so many options. thanks for the help guys |
| [07:02:08] | jpabq: | Your welcome. Good night. |
| [07:02:14] | tony403: | btw, the hauppauge tv tuners can't be used to get premium chanels could they? |
| [07:02:20] | tony403: | good night |
| [07:02:48] | jpabq: | the "tv tuners" only work with unencrypted channels. |
| [07:03:44] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR is actually not a tuner at all. All it does is take whatever the STB feeds it and compresses it as H.264, then feeds that to your computer via USB. |
| [07:04:39] | tony403: | so there's nothing i can buy over-the-counter, per se, that will do the job of the pvr the cable co gives me and still receive premium channels? |
| [07:05:09] | jpabq: | Not if you want to avoid the digital->analog->digital |
| [07:05:14] | tony403: | sorry, i just had so many questions and may make a purchase tonight or tomorrow regarding this |
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| [07:06:27] | tony403: | ok, thanks |
| [07:06:37] | tony403: | i'll let you go now. gn |
| [07:07:18] | jpabq: | tony403, one advantage of getting it from the cable co, is you are just renting it. You can decide to return it at any time. Disadvantage of getting it from the Cable co, is how pathetic it is, compared to myth. |
| [07:07:32] | jpabq: | good night. |
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| [07:08:36] | jpabq: | tony403, where do you live? If you happen to live in SF you have another option: Firewire. If you want to talk about that, ask iamlindoro about it tomorrow. |
| [07:09:05] | tony403: | small hick town in arkansas |
| [07:09:29] | jpabq: | You could still give firewire a try, but don't count on it. |
| [07:09:38] | tony403: | yeah, may do it |
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| [07:10:25] | tony403: | i'll have to talk to the cable co and see the rest of my options |
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| [07:24:20] | justinh: | mornin mornin |
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| [07:26:40] | justinh: | thought I had a catastrophic HDD failure yesterday -turned out the IDE controller had hung up. Only the 3rd time in 5 years that's ever happened but it's scared me into taking some preventative measures. Thinking about CF or USB stick for the root fs so at least if I lose an HDD at least I can still operate the machine.. unless there's some way I can install more ram & use a ramdisk for / |
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| [07:27:28] | justinh: | thing is I dunno which is the more crazy idea. Use flash .. or mess about with a ramdisk |
| [07:28:19] | defaultro: | hey justinh |
| [07:28:52] | justinh: | hey hey |
| [07:29:16] | defaultro: | that's a good idea, usb stick for the root |
| [07:29:20] | defaultro: | I should do that as well |
| [07:30:20] | defaultro: | what's the latest with mythtv? |
| [07:31:07] | justinh: | maybe a ramdisk isn't too crazy an idea either – with enough ram in the machine maybe it'd survive a USB disconnect too. the worst part yesterday was the IDE channel locking up & I wasn't able to do anything after a while |
| [07:31:57] | defaultro: | i've never experienced that issue |
| [07:32:02] | justinh: | defaultro: well, if slashdot is to be believed, all the fuss is about the new ui libraries but there's more going on than that in trunk right now. |
| [07:32:24] | defaultro: | ok. The last time i upgraded my myth was like 8 months ago |
| [07:32:40] | defaultro: | i haven;t seen the latest appearance of it |
| [07:32:43] | justinh: | I sae yesterday that isaac has already started playing with the new nvidia video playback acceleration stuff |
| [07:32:57] | defaultro: | ah, the vdpau |
| [07:32:59] | justinh: | defaultro: with the core themes not much will look different |
| [07:33:45] | justinh: | hdpvr support, improved ffmpeg stuff, squillions of bug fixes, speedups... |
| [07:33:54] | defaultro: | cool |
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| [07:34:17] | justinh: | improved use of memory... |
| [07:34:35] | justinh: | not much in terms of new features but that's never a bad thing IMHO |
| [07:34:45] | defaultro: | so those are in trunk? |
| [07:34:54] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: on a home lan, what multicast address range would you recommend? |
| [07:34:57] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:35:19] | justinh: | CCFL_Man2: absolutely no idea. I only know enough about networking to get me working |
| [07:35:32] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, me too :P |
| [07:35:50] | justinh: | I don't even know if my network is configured _right_ – it just works |
| [07:36:03] | defaultro: | 224 is standard |
| [07:36:19] | defaultro: | or is it 249 |
| [07:36:28] | defaultro: | my memory is bad |
| [07:36:36] | CCFL_Man2: | my lan is 192.168.0/8 |
| [07:36:44] | CCFL_Man2: | defaultro: 239? |
| [07:36:46] | defaultro: | that's not multicast |
| [07:37:26] | defaultro: | i was right |
| [07:37:33] | defaultro: | The group ranges from 224.0.0.0 to 239.255.255.255 |
| [07:37:35] | justinh: | I have a diskless frontend, so I assume something to do with multicasting works on my network |
| [07:38:35] | CCFL_Man2: | defaultro: yeah, i want to use some dvb receivers with ip transport stream out and asi to ip converters |
| [07:39:11] | defaultro: | sorry, I've been so away. I have to cope up and read up again. I'm so behind |
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| [07:39:37] | wagnerrp: | justinh: that is the entire purpose of initramfs |
| [07:40:03] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah but my tftp config has multicast crap in the config file |
| [07:40:07] | defaultro: | like the ones live cd uses? |
| [07:40:19] | justinh: | I don't understand it. it was copied & pasted & just works (tm) |
| [07:40:30] | defaultro: | tftp uses port 69 udp |
| [07:40:35] | justinh: | or maybe I did understand it once |
| [07:40:37] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: livecds actually use the CD itself with an aufs overlay |
| [07:40:50] | wagnerrp: | initramfs is a replacement for initrd |
| [07:40:57] | justinh: | --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0–255 — whatever that's all about I dunno |
| [07:40:57] | defaultro: | k |
| [07:41:04] | wagnerrp: | but its intended to allow for use as a real root file system |
| [07:41:05] | defaultro: | there you go |
| [07:41:11] | wagnerrp: | for embedded machines and such |
| [07:41:26] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: ooh, thats multicast |
| [07:41:36] | justinh: | going embedded on a bigger scale isn't such a bad idea, maybe |
| [07:41:47] | justinh: | ok it'll take alittle longer to boot up... |
| [07:42:08] | wagnerrp: | justinh: why? |
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| [07:42:39] | justinh: | loading more into ram... |
| [07:42:46] | wagnerrp: | pull the rootfs from a block file on the disk |
| [07:42:52] | dustybin: | mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="GOOD MORNING #MYTHTV-USERS" |
| [07:42:56] | wagnerrp: | it would be a linear read at 60+MB/s |
| [07:43:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: true |
| [07:43:11] | wagnerrp: | for maybe 10 seconds, and then its near instant access from then on |
| [07:43:24] | justinh: | problem there is that making it rw access might be tricky |
| [07:43:34] | wagnerrp: | well... you wouldnt |
| [07:43:47] | justinh: | so therein lies the problem with using a ramdisk for / |
| [07:43:58] | dustybin: | justinh: did you ever get around to buying a new TV? |
| [07:44:10] | justinh: | dustybin: as long as my crt still works, nope |
| [07:44:18] | dustybin: | aye good, same 'ere |
| [07:44:29] | justinh: | have better things to spend my money on |
| [07:45:10] | defaultro: | am I correct that you are the one who wrote ProjectGrayhem |
| [07:45:23] | justinh: | one good thing is that I likely won't have to wait as long now since hw acceleration in linux is actually looking like more than a real possibility now :) |
| [07:45:32] | justinh: | defaultro: for my sins, yes |
| [07:45:37] | defaultro: | :D |
| [07:45:41] | justinh: | s/wrote/puked up |
| [07:45:52] | CCFL_Man2: | i always loved embedded client devices |
| [07:46:00] | defaultro: | you have new theme? |
| [07:46:08] | justinh: | defaultro: yes & no |
| [07:46:13] | defaultro: | link |
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| [07:46:19] | justinh: | defaultro: nope |
| [07:46:29] | defaultro: | does mchou still hang around here? |
| [07:46:40] | justinh: | defaultro: who cares? |
| [07:46:44] | justinh: | there' |
| [07:46:51] | defaultro: | lol |
| [07:47:39] | wagnerrp: | he seems to have gotten tired of calling us all hauppauge shills and left |
| [07:47:53] | justinh: | I might be an arrogant, petulant son of a bitch but at least I still manage to help people once in a while |
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| [07:49:47] | justinh: | anyway, yes there is a new theme in the works. whether or not it'll ever see the light of day I can't possibly say |
| [07:50:09] | dustybin: | justinh: that all depends if you learn photoshop :P |
| [07:50:18] | justinh: | dustybin: feck off |
| [07:50:48] | ** dustybin wonders if any themes have been created with gimp ** | |
| [07:50:55] | justinh: | dustybin: yes, and it shows |
| [07:50:59] | dustybin: | heh |
| [07:51:27] | justinh: | hahaha all those themes are gonna die. awww |
| [07:51:36] | dustybin: | :) |
| [07:52:05] | dustybin: | we need to track down the xbmc artworkers and force them to make some mythtv themes |
| [07:52:11] | justinh: | dustybin: feck off again |
| [07:52:18] | justinh: | you need to keep me sweet |
| [07:52:24] | dustybin: | ok! |
| [07:52:47] | justinh: | not that I'd withhold my work on account of anything YOU say |
| [07:53:24] | dustybin: | i think before i make a theme, im going to collect images of every single menu system exists, then write down what i like about each one |
| [07:53:32] | dustybin: | *what |
| [07:53:48] | justinh: | I think you'd better learn to use the crayons first! |
| [07:53:57] | dustybin: | aye that too |
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| [07:54:11] | justinh: | fwiw, forget about photoshop |
| [07:54:30] | dustybin: | the thing is, im design, no one is totally 100% original, its very rare, most things are adapts of existing designs, thats how things progress |
| [07:54:33] | dustybin: | *in |
| [07:54:38] | justinh: | so? |
| [07:55:07] | dustybin: | so thats why im going to research all the existing menu systems, then take out bits i like then adapt them |
| [07:55:13] | justinh: | so what you're saying is you're going to take one of my themes & turn it into something a spastic drew with his left foot |
| [07:55:20] | dustybin: | haha NOOO |
| [07:55:28] | dustybin: | (well i might have a look!) |
| [07:55:40] | justinh: | FWIW I wouldn't copy anything I've done either |
| [07:55:52] | justinh: | especially not the earlier ones. sheesh |
| [07:56:11] | dustybin: | well, ever design has good bits and bad bits, ill steal the good bits only :P |
| [07:56:17] | dustybin: | y |
| [07:56:18] | LonEagle: | hey, how do you turn a live tv viewing into a saved recording? |
| [07:56:34] | LonEagle: | as in, i'm watching it right now, and just want to save it. |
| [07:56:44] | justinh: | I really like what that UK skin team have done with one xbmc skin.. can't remember its name but it's very nice |
| [07:56:50] | justinh: | LonEagle: press RECORD |
| [07:56:55] | justinh: | usually bound to the R key |
| [07:57:08] | dustybin: | justinh: and i bet that design is a adapt of something else |
| [07:57:11] | justinh: | amazing. Record starts with the letter 'R' |
| [07:57:20] | justinh: | dustybin: if it is I ain't seen it before |
| [07:57:22] | LonEagle: | does it dump everything that it has been recording off of the current channel? |
| [07:57:27] | wagnerrp: | or go into the recordings, hit 'm' to change to the livetv filter, then hit 'right' over the file you want, and change the storage options |
| [07:57:36] | dustybin: | justinh: maybe not in a TV menu system, it could be from anything |
| [07:57:48] | justinh: | dustybin: xbmc doesn't do TV |
| [07:57:55] | justinh: | prolly never will at the rate they're going |
| [07:57:59] | dustybin: | oh or multimedia player |
| [07:58:07] | wagnerrp: | it dumps everything since the start of the recording, or the start of the current show |
| [07:58:10] | wagnerrp: | which ever is more recent |
| [07:58:17] | LonEagle: | ahh cool. makes sense. |
| [07:58:22] | justinh: | dustybin: http://www.teamrazorfish.co.uk/ |
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| [07:58:39] | dustybin: | xbmc is a bit like having the mythtv video plugin and nothing else, seems pointless to me |
| [07:58:42] | justinh: | dustybin: and remember their work is the result of a _team_ |
| [07:58:52] | dustybin: | ok ill look |
| [07:58:56] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone know how multicast will work on a lan? is the multicast group joining just done in the switch? |
| [08:00:00] | justinh: | dustybin: also remember their text sizes are way too small to work in a domestic setting. although 2pt text will render fine on a HD display, the user still has to be able to read small text from their armchair :P |
| [08:00:55] | justinh: | I really like the font they used though |
| [08:01:02] | dustybin: | yeah lovely |
| [08:02:30] | justinh: | time to visit identifont.com |
| [08:03:27] | justinh: | or maybe not that one. hmm what's that font site which tries to identify a font from a bitmap provided? |
| [08:03:29] | dustybin: | justinh: try futura black |
| [08:03:43] | justinh: | does that have an OSS variation? |
| [08:04:07] | justinh: | yes! |
| [08:04:25] | dustybin: | http://www.uwyo.edu/publicrelations/resources . . . s/futura.gif |
| [08:04:39] | justinh: | Beteckna |
| [08:05:11] | justinh: | the kerning looks a bit weird though :-\ |
| [08:06:10] | dustybin: | if the text is bitmap, they could of done a better job |
| [08:06:28] | dustybin: | if its just text being displayed, im not sure how xml handles kerning |
| [08:06:44] | justinh: | it doesn't |
| [08:07:01] | dustybin: | there wont be nice kerning then! |
| [08:07:33] | justinh: | it's better than Bitstream Vera though |
| [08:09:34] | justinh: | heh no beteckna in dapper |
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| [08:11:04] | dustybin: | people overlook fonts, fonts can make or break a design |
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| [08:16:04] | justinh: | oo I like Deja Vu Sans Condensed too |
| [08:25:57] | justinh: | http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot1zw2.jpg |
| [08:28:42] | justinh: | that font is actually very readable in small sizes |
| [08:29:58] | justinh: | I'd love to know where teamrazorfish get their backgrounds from & what the licence conditions are |
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| [08:32:12] | dustybin: | i think images can be bought from places like istock |
| [08:32:31] | justinh: | yeah but... their terms aren't GPL compliant |
| [08:32:38] | dustybin: | dunno |
| [08:32:40] | justinh: | and that lot reckon they're 100% GPL |
| [08:33:33] | justinh: | http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot2pn9.jpg |
| [08:33:56] | justinh: | even http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1911/shot2pn9.jpg |
| [08:34:16] | justinh: | yeah the kerning is all shot to hell |
| [08:34:38] | justinh: | such a shame! |
| [08:35:36] | justinh: | too much space to the right of the upper case 'W' – too little to the left of lower case 'r' ... |
| [08:35:43] | justinh: | I might have a go at fixing it up |
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| [08:36:08] | justinh: | that's the start of a slippery slope |
| [08:36:51] | dustybin: | that xbmc theme looks like they used bitmaps |
| [08:37:00] | justinh: | they don't |
| [08:37:03] | dustybin: | but they couldnt of done because of all the titke |
| [08:37:05] | dustybin: | titles |
| [08:37:17] | dustybin: | how the hell did they get normal text to kern like that |
| [08:37:25] | justinh: | wtf are you talking about? |
| [08:37:36] | justinh: | the kerning is embedded in the font you dumbass |
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| [08:37:56] | justinh: | and they |
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| [08:38:10] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [08:38:15] | justinh: | they used two fonts.. one bold for headings & a regular condensed for the body text |
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| [08:38:48] | justinh: | ironic that Futura is so retro ;) |
| [08:38:56] | dustybin: | nice font |
| [08:40:16] | justinh: | hard-core font people say that the likes of futura & century gothic are cliches. I tend to agree but find it hard to dislike em |
| [08:41:46] | wagnerrp: | seems like a great font for instruction/direction signs |
| [08:41:53] | wagnerrp: | something you would see in a subway |
| [08:42:07] | justinh: | wonder if there's a GPL version of the BS traffic sign font .... |
| [08:42:11] | justinh: | that'd be cool |
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| [08:45:47] | justinh: | Transport Medium & Transport Heavy – both eminently readable |
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| [08:50:24] | ilikesthemedia: | hello. Has anyone here had any experience with the new imon vfd/ir (15c2:0036)? |
| [08:51:28] | wagnerrp: | theres a whole page on the wiki for imon devices |
| [08:51:39] | wagnerrp: | a rather large page at that |
| [08:52:05] | nuonguy: | I read this announcement about Purevideo from nvidia: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1 |
| [08:52:14] | nuonguy: | what does it mean for us as mythtv users? |
| [08:52:32] | nuonguy: | does it mean that a relatively low-end machine will be able to play back 1080p? |
| [08:52:32] | wagnerrp: | nuonguy: as a user, nothing (yet) |
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| [08:52:40] | wagnerrp: | as a developer, you get a new toy |
| [08:52:50] | nuonguy: | well, eventually there will be an app that can make use of this right? |
| [08:52:55] | justinh: | nuonguy: MAYBE |
| [08:52:58] | wagnerrp: | the patched mplayer can be used immediately with mythvideo |
| [08:52:59] | nuonguy: | maybe mplayer first, and then other apps later |
| [08:53:05] | nuonguy: | ah, nice |
| [08:53:29] | justinh: | I heard a rumour mythtv already has a patch to allow mpeg2 acceration using it. |
| [08:53:35] | justinh: | in trunk |
| [08:53:38] | justinh: | ;) |
| [08:53:46] | wagnerrp: | there are also patches for ffmpeg, and decoding in mythtv is based off ffmpeg |
| [08:53:54] | nuonguy: | i see |
| [08:54:07] | wagnerrp: | i heard isaac put out some preliminary commits towards vdpau support |
| [08:54:11] | wagnerrp: | but nothing functional |
| [08:54:12] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:54:20] | nuonguy: | so when this feature makes it into ffmeg mainstream, we'll likely see it in mythfrontend? |
| [08:54:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: working mpeg2 apparently |
| [08:54:25] | justinh: | nuonguy: yes |
| [08:54:29] | nuonguy: | very nice |
| [08:54:35] | wagnerrp: | someone had a long weekend i suppose |
| [08:54:39] | justinh: | we've waited this long.. let's have some more patience |
| [08:55:12] | nuonguy: | indeed |
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| [08:56:23] | wagnerrp: | i still need to get my card working |
| [08:56:33] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt like to output X over composite |
| [08:57:04] | wagnerrp: | i should have tried it with the drivers i already had installed, rather than jumping straight to 180 |
| [08:58:19] | justinh: | gotta love nvidia |
| [08:58:36] | wagnerrp: | ive never before had a problem with tv-out on an nvidia |
| [08:58:47] | wagnerrp: | leave everything else unplugged, and the tv-out 'just works' |
| [08:59:01] | nuonguy: | with no changes to your xorg.conf, right? |
| [08:59:12] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [08:59:15] | justinh: | ati went all out & hinted at some stuff re hdplayback acceleration, then nvidia come along & whoop their ass. not just by trickling a hint of support out but actual example code & working driver |
| [08:59:18] | wagnerrp: | just upgraded the cards, upgraded the drivers |
| [08:59:42] | wagnerrp: | not just example code, example code with functional applications |
| [08:59:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: they prolly changed config syntax again |
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| [09:04:24] | ilikesthemedia: | wagnerrp: yeah Ive seen that wiki page, and just re-read it again then. i believe since that page has been written imon have updated their hardware. there are small bits of text on various forums on patching and compiling the cvs lirc, but i seem to be failing at it. |
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| [09:36:22] | wombo2: | Im having trouble with Mythmovies |
| [09:36:57] | wombo2: | It seems to run ok, I can see all the theaters ok |
| [09:37:28] | justinh: | which script are you using? |
| [09:37:44] | wombo2: | but when I go into a cinema I cant see Name, Rating or running time |
| [09:37:56] | wombo2: | the Google script |
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| [09:38:15] | wombo2: | But when I run the script in the console it all looks ok |
| [09:38:16] | justinh: | ah |
| [09:38:28] | justinh: | chances are the script you have is broken |
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| [09:39:07] | justinh: | 'all looks ok' is probably wrong. pastebin the whole output & I'll take a look |
| [09:39:08] | wombo2: | yeah I just updated it a little then as it wasnt bringing the movie names in |
| [09:39:18] | wombo2: | yeah just doin that now |
| [09:40:25] | wombo2: | http://pastebin.com/d74980e74 |
| [09:41:48] | wombo2: | could it be the &lrm 's |
| [09:42:13] | wombo2: | particularly in the Rating field |
| [09:42:18] | justinh: | that's not the whole file |
| [09:42:41] | wombo2: | yeah that was just a sample, will get the whole one for yo |
| [09:42:44] | wombo2: | you |
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| [09:44:25] | wombo2: | http://pastebin.com/m6354612 |
| [09:44:42] | wombo2: | Sorry I had to expand the amount of lines my console could handle |
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| [09:47:55] | justinh: | wombo2: yeah it's the &lrm stuff |
| [09:48:37] | wombo2: | Could you help me fix them for rating? I will have a go at runningtime |
| [09:48:50] | justinh: | you need to either a) find a newer script with a fix or b) put a regex in the script to strip em |
| [09:49:18] | wombo2: | I cant find any newer scripts, ive been lookin |
| [09:49:51] | wombo2: | I managed to fix the Moviename ok. Is there anything special I need to do for ampersands? |
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| [09:50:34] | justinh: | what's wrong is &lrm isn't standard xml |
| [09:50:34] | bsdfox__: | is there any way to either give livetv priority over recordings (so it will try to reschedule) or dedicate 1 tuner to livetv? |
| [09:50:51] | justinh: | wombo2: & is & & is valid IIRC |
| [09:51:19] | justinh: | wombo2: my regex-fu is weak |
| [09:51:28] | wombo2: | haha yeah mine too |
| [09:52:16] | wombo2: | its all good I will hack around for a little while on it |
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| [10:03:53] | justinh: | s\/\&lrm// .. or something.. uhhhhh |
| [10:04:03] | justinh: | /\//\\\//\//\//\//\//\/\/ |
| [10:04:16] | justinh: | all heiroglyphs to me! |
| [10:08:42] | Dibblah: | s/\&lrm// |
| [10:08:59] | wombo2: | haha I nearly got it going I think |
| [10:09:36] | Dibblah: |  s/\‎// |
| [10:10:17] | justinh: | without seeing an example in front of me it always takes me a few goes to get regex to work |
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| [10:15:04] | wombo2: | haha I nearly got it going I think |
| [10:15:09] | wombo2: | sorry |
| [10:15:14] | wombo2: | wont alt-tab |
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| [10:43:23] | wombo2: | I fixed it by explicitly naming each of the different ratings |
| [10:43:25] | wombo2: | if ($movie =~ m/Rated (PG|MA|M|R)/) { |
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| [11:05:23] | justinh: | wombo2: heh |
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| [13:59:25] | r3dh2t: | morning gang |
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| [14:01:38] | gbee: | afternoon |
| [14:03:17] | r3dh2t: | how goes things for you today gbee? |
| [14:04:19] | gbee: | average day, nothing good or bad about it yet |
| [14:05:02] | r3dh2t: | same here, of course it's only 9am where i am :) |
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| [14:18:55] | justinh: | hmmm. just been playing with a new background & a new font. re-motivated! |
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| [14:21:20] | justinh: | http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5811/pingve7.png |
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| [14:21:59] | Dibblah: | Bah. "On frontend, go Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> Appearance. On about the 5th screen there's "Use line edit virtual keyboards". Try toggling it." |
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| [14:22:14] | Dibblah: | This _absolutely_ outlines for me why _less_ options are better. |
| [14:22:25] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:22:39] | Dibblah: | And that option _should not exist_. |
| [14:22:42] | justinh: | MOAROPTINZ! |
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| [14:26:13] | justinh: | Dibblah: what does that option do anyway? |
| [14:26:45] | justinh: | wtf is a 'myth line edit box' ? |
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| [14:27:43] | Dibblah: | It's a custom widget. |
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| [14:27:53] | justinh: | but what is it? |
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| [14:28:05] | Dibblah: | It's quite scarey to me that that actually means something :) |
| [14:28:07] | gbee: | yeah, what is it? |
| [14:28:23] | justinh: | I mean, what uses it? |
| [14:28:32] | Dibblah: | gbee: Since you asked, I have no idea :) |
| [14:28:56] | gbee: | justinh: it's the text entry box used throughout the old ui |
| [14:28:57] | Dibblah: | The quote was from the mailing list. |
| [14:29:08] | Dibblah: | -users. |
| [14:29:08] | justinh: | gbee: ah |
| [14:29:40] | gbee: | which uses the old remote entry style, which piecing things together is what you are talking about? |
| [14:29:46] | justinh: | gbee: why the hell didn't the help text bloody say that then?! |
| [14:30:04] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
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| [14:30:13] | gbee: | because you didn't patch it? :p |
| [14:30:27] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:30:49] | Dibblah: | "[mythtv-users] I want mythfrontend number keys to just be number keys not cellphone texting keys" |
| [14:30:52] | justinh: | we should have a campaign for easily understood wording |
| [14:31:01] | justinh: | Dibblah: I'm with that |
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| [14:31:08] | Dibblah: | wording which can be easily understood. |
| [14:31:23] | gbee: | look I can't tell you why some devs and contributors seem unable to label things in a user friendly manner, guess some of us just lack the ability to see these things from a lay persons perspective |
| [14:31:26] | Dibblah: | And verbosity. I like verbosity. |
| [14:31:43] | Dibblah: | Hence why "Listing Sources" just wouldn't have done ;) |
| [14:31:50] | justinh: | gbee: I know, I wasn't levelling that complaint at anybody in particular |
| [14:32:09] | Dibblah: | Sorry. That's probably still a sore point. |
| [14:32:28] | gbee: | justinh: problem is that I agree with you 100%, I only wish I could do more about it |
| [14:33:07] | justinh: | Dibblah: nah. I can honestly say I don't give a damn about that particular issue anymore other than the fact it's going to deter me from trying to improve anything else in that regard |
| [14:33:39] | gbee: | please do start a campaign, get a few people to go through the UI fixing up the help texts, working and nomenclature in general, you'll have my backing just not my time |
| [14:33:40] | Dibblah: | Maybe if we just slipped in a secret commit... |
| [14:33:48] | justinh: | gbee: maybe there could be a trusted user panel... |
| [14:33:57] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [14:34:01] | justinh: | populated by RATIONAL people |
| [14:34:02] | gbee: | working/wording |
| [14:34:26] | ** Dibblah prefers dictatorships. ** | |
| [14:34:44] | Dibblah: | Do it – Then if enough people scream, shoot them. |
| [14:34:46] | justinh: | Dibblah: don't ask.. give a choice |
| [14:35:01] | gbee: | justinh: answer is that you just don't ask first, it seems entirely contrary to the open source, community driven project ideal but communism doesn't bloody work |
| [14:35:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:35:28] | Dibblah: | Yup. Commit then ask. |
| [14:35:36] | Dibblah: | Or, "ask by committing" |
| [14:35:57] | justinh: | AFAIK no actual devs peed on that particular bonfire of mine, so it's not deterred me from trying.. only from asking ;) |
| [14:35:59] | Dibblah: | The ultimate decision by the comittee. |
| [14:36:48] | gbee: | I'm sure Stalin was a fair man in the beginning, but after one too many meetings which ended with nothing being achieved he figured that playing the dictator card was the only way to get things done |
| [14:37:32] | justinh: | er.. asking the dev list I meant |
| [14:37:34] | gbee: | of course I must stress that I'm joking here and that anyone offended .... ah screw it |
| [14:37:39] | shadash: | I've noticed that most OS projects have 1 or 2 dictators keeping everyone else in line |
| [14:38:03] | shadash: | not a bad thing for a project people donate their time to |
| [14:38:16] | shadash: | as long as everyone gets along |
| [14:38:31] | justinh: | horse-whipping professional whiners & trolls? Amen to that! |
| [14:38:44] | shadash: | it's a fine line |
| [14:38:57] | gbee: | Myth doesn't have a dictator, more a ruling council of devs with El Presidente Chutt having a swing vote in the event of disagreements |
| [14:39:43] | shadash: | well I'm happy with how things are progressing |
| [14:40:29] | gbee: | learnt that the only time you want to ask the opinion of users is when you genuinely don't have an idea or preference |
| [14:41:11] | shadash: | unfortunately that is true |
| [14:41:30] | gbee: | and as justinh said, you offer choices, never ask for suggestions |
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| [14:47:30] | gbee: | still don't really believe all that, I ask for opinions probably more than any dev, but generally it's a waste of my time – either people don't reply, they tell me what I already know or they launch into a long debate that usually goes off at a tangent from the issue |
| [14:49:16] | shadash: | I think you're doing a great job |
| [14:49:28] | r3dh2t: | gbee forgive my ignorance, what are you currently developing? |
| [14:49:46] | shadash: | I had problems with beirdo |
| [14:50:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | Stalin was always a gangster. |
| [14:50:05] | shadash: | just wasn't a nice person |
| [14:50:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...the proverbial teamster muscle. |
| [14:50:20] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: aye |
| [14:50:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...a good example of why you shouldn't put the political prisoners in the general population. |
| [14:54:21] | Dibblah: | r3dh2t: stuartm |
| [14:55:24] | gbee: | I don't think the guy writing the tmdb script has much perl experience, he keeps breaking it after I fix it |
| [14:55:31] | jams: | oh way to go Dibblah, you just leaked his secret identity |
| [14:56:18] | Dibblah: | Heh ;) |
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| [15:00:36] | r3dh2t: | wow gbee seems to be a pretty active developer |
| [15:00:39] | r3dh2t: | he is now my new hero |
| [15:00:41] | r3dh2t: | haha |
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| [15:22:58] | jedi__: | are the driver & myth to the point where they will tolerate resolution changes without crashing? |
| [15:23:32] | jedi__: | forcing everything to 480p or 720p works but has obvious drawbacks. |
| [15:23:55] | perilousapricot: | is there a working HOWTO on getting transcoding to work under mythbuntu |
| [15:24:36] | perilousapricot: | I'm boggling that a distribution designed specifically to make myth work...has a broken transcoder |
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| [15:25:43] | iamlindoro: | s/transcoder/user/ |
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| [15:31:33] | gbee: | jedi__: which driver? |
| [15:31:41] | gbee: | HDPVR? |
| [15:35:10] | perilousapricot: | iamlndoro :( |
| [15:36:09] | Dibblah: | r3dh2t: Yeah. http://www.ohloh.net/projects/mythtv/contributors |
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| [15:36:33] | Dibblah: | Took over quite nicely when Chutt stopped committing :) |
| [15:38:26] | GlemSom: | I'm trying to follow this guide to DVB-C: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_ . . . n_with_DVB-C But, I don't know how to do that "import" part? The MythTV documentation that one should NOT use the import of channels.conf... So, how do I import it correctly? |
| [15:39:48] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_ . . . e_fix_it_.3F |
| [15:39:51] | Dibblah: | ...? |
| [15:40:06] | Dibblah: | You shouldn't be importing a channels.conf. |
| [15:40:18] | Dibblah: | You should be scanning using a tuned scan. |
| [15:42:37] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, I am scanning... (And as far as I can see, it is finding some of my channels)... But, section "3. Import into MythTV " says: "Import czap-final.txt (created in step 2) into MythTV. " How do I do that? |
| [15:43:06] | Dibblah: | You don't. |
| [15:43:37] | Dibblah: | The tuned scan should find all the multiplexes, unless your provider is broken in more than one way. |
| [15:43:49] | Dibblah: | And you have patched Myth with the above patch? |
| [15:45:46] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, There is no mention of any patch on that page? |
| [15:48:03] | jedi__: | ...yeah hdpvr. |
| [15:48:09] | jedi__: | I meant to post that in the other channel |
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| [15:55:10] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: Really? "See both the (workaround) patch provided by Janne and the script at the problem ticket for this issue: " |
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| [16:01:06] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, Ok, I was under the impression that there were two ways of solving it... One with patching – and one with using w_scan to find the channels – and then import the data... |
| [16:03:41] | Dibblah: | I have no experience of the non-patch option. |
| [16:04:13] | GlemSom: | Ok, so basecly I just patch mythtv – and try a full scan... And that'll be all? :) |
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| [16:30:56] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, hmm, I think I've found a list containing all the channels my provider has... But – this list only contains channel name, frequency, symbol rate and QAM... But, that's not enough is it? |
| [16:38:15] | anykey_: | GlemSom: you need the individual IDs of the transports as well |
| [16:39:20] | GlemSom: | anykey_, hmm ok... This guy having the list is using some Windows DVB program... Though, he might be able to extract that data somehow... (It's worth a try...:) |
| [16:41:41] | anykey_: | GlemSom: I have a script that uses dvbsnoop and some bash foo to create some queries to run against the mythtv database |
| [16:41:50] | anykey_: | GlemSom: though it is roughly untested, it seems to work ;) |
| [16:42:30] | anykey_: | GlemSom: you need to know your network ID and an initial transponder |
| [16:43:02] | GlemSom: | anykey_, Well, i DO know my network ID... and I guess w_scan can provide me with an inital transponder... |
| [16:43:55] | anykey_: | yes |
| [16:44:14] | GlemSom: | anykey_, Well, currently I do not have a working setup... So I'll be happy to test that script :P |
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| [16:44:47] | anykey_: | just noticed that the modulation gets extracted wrong for some channels |
| [16:44:51] | anykey_: | give me a sec ;) |
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| [16:57:20] | peck: | hmm the "AFD"-errors i'm getting... are they from the internal player? |
| [16:57:48] | peck: | i suspect them for causing the backend to freeze |
| [16:57:52] | peck: | but i can't be sure just yet |
| [16:58:56] | iamlindoro_: | AFD = AVFormatDecoder |
| [16:59:37] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv/libs/libmythtv/avformatdecoder.cpp/h |
| [17:01:17] | gbee: | peck: are these errors on the frontend or backend? |
| [17:01:18] | iamlindoro_: | I would bet against that being able to freeze a backend. |
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| [17:02:25] | peck: | gbee: backeng |
| [17:02:27] | peck: | backend* |
| [17:02:41] | peck: | iamlindoro: thanks... |
| [17:02:42] | gbee: | preview generator, have you upgraded to the latest -fixes? |
| [17:02:57] | peck: | oh, i guess i have not |
| [17:03:16] | peck: | which version would that be? |
| [17:03:31] | gbee: | hmm, actually that bug was trunk only IIRC, but still always grab the latest if possible |
| [17:03:48] | peck: | but hmmm |
| [17:03:52] | peck: | lemme doublecheck the version |
| [17:03:58] | peck: | i recall upgrading the other day |
| [17:04:39] | peck: | 0.21.0-fixes18722 |
| [17:07:49] | peck: | guess i could install from svn if any fixes have been done |
| [17:08:25] | iamlindoro_: | 18722 misses about 25 commits from the latest -fixes |
| [17:09:27] | peck: | hrmpf |
| [17:09:28] | peck: | dammit |
| [17:09:56] | iamlindoro_: | I don't see anything in those revisions that would affect avformatdecoder, though |
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| [17:15:42] | peck: | iamlindoro: then i'm kinda burned... even if i do not use xbmc as a frontend (i will use mythtv's own frontend later on) and only do schedule recordings etc it'll still hang several times a day |
| [17:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | The process, or the system? |
| [17:18:33] | gbee: | it's a little odd, backend is rock stable in both -fixes or trunk |
| [17:19:25] | peck: | iamlindoro: most often i can just restart the backend |
| [17:19:48] | peck: | i suspect that it has to do with me using cardsharing with my dreambox |
| [17:19:55] | peck: | and yes, it's local and not illegal in any way |
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| [17:20:32] | iamlindoro_: | However you spin it, it's a) unsupported and b) not welcome talk in this channel |
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| [17:21:07] | peck: | well ok... |
| [17:21:21] | peck: | is there any logical reason for it? |
| [17:21:46] | peck: | or just that "hell it could theoretically be used to commit a crime in certain countries and therefor we don't talk about it" |
| [17:22:05] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Softcam |
| [17:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | More or less, yes. You don't have to like it, but you will abide by it. |
| [17:22:32] | iamlindoro_: | And discussion of whether or not the discussion should be allowed isn't welcome either, btw. |
| [17:22:49] | GlemSom: | I would like to propose a change to a wiki site – but I do not have a login... Who should I contact about my proposal? |
| [17:23:00] | peck: | ok then, i'll skip that talk |
| [17:23:03] | wagnerrp: | the wiki site, to create a login |
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| [17:23:50] | wagnerrp: | theres no administrative oversight (for better or worse), anyone can make a login |
| [17:24:02] | judazz: | nice one from the IRC link above: "Should I ask if I can ask a question?" |
| [17:24:42] | gbee: | it what countries is card sharing not a violation of the terms of service for that provider? You wouldn't need a dreambox and card sharing if they were happy to let you add additional stbs within a household without additional subscriptions |
| [17:25:16] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, Ok, it's because I found a few flaws in the scripts that are refered to... I do not have access to change the scrips as they are hosted outside the wiki... But IMO people should be aware of the flaws in the scripts... |
| [17:25:54] | peck: | gbee: the difference between sweden and the US for example, is that the "license agreement" doesn't work the same way... |
| [17:25:57] | iamlindoro_: | So why not contact the script author and suggest changes? |
| [17:26:05] | iamlindoro_: | Instead of editorializing on referring pages? |
| [17:26:15] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have access to the scripts, just update the wiki to describe the error |
| [17:26:22] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps link to a patch file |
| [17:26:40] | peck: | it's like with reversing... if you buy a gaming console for example, it's completely legal to open and do whatever you want with it... since you've bought it, it's now your property... |
| [17:26:55] | peck: | reverse engineering is completely legal as well |
| [17:27:21] | iamlindoro_: | It is *nothing* like reverse engineering |
| [17:27:53] | iamlindoro_: | reverse engineering also isn't "completely legal," it's legal *in some countries* *for compatibility purposes* |
| [17:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | That's different than "I can reverse engineer anything I like because it's mine" |
| [17:28:34] | peck: | iamlindoro: i'm talking about sweden compared to the US in this case yes... |
| [17:28:34] | iamlindoro_: | eg you can reverse engineer a codec *in some countries* if no for-sale implementation exists on your platform |
| [17:28:59] | iamlindoro_: | peck: And even in sweden, reverse engineering is protected for compatibility purposes only |
| [17:29:09] | peck: | both yes and no... |
| [17:29:25] | peck: | i am allowed to create a crack for an application etc... i just can't spread it... |
| [17:29:57] | AndyCap: | peck: depends where you live. :) |
| [17:30:02] | peck: | so sure, there are some tripwires, but the most important thing is that hardware is owned by the buyer |
| [17:30:22] | peck: | AndyCap: sweden as stated a few times earlier (the last minutes) |
| [17:30:28] | AndyCap: | peck: since you're in the EU, odds are it is or will be illegal to create or possess a crack. |
| [17:30:36] | peck: | indeed |
| [17:30:38] | iamlindoro_: | peck: And the usage of the SERVICE is up to the terms of the service provider-- using card sharing *is* a violation of your TOS. |
| [17:30:40] | AndyCap: | dunno how far along sweden is in implementing the eu directive |
| [17:30:44] | iamlindoro_: | And that's not welcome here either |
| [17:30:52] | iamlindoro_: | so much for skipping this dumb ass conversation |
| [17:31:04] | gbee: | peck: it's contract violation, which is a breach of civil law if not criminal law in most countries |
| [17:31:17] | peck: | iamlindoro: i've talked to my provider and cardsharing is NOT smthg i can get cut off for... |
| [17:31:33] | peck: | but i do need to have a subscription |
| [17:31:40] | iamlindoro_: | BS |
| [17:31:42] | peck: | otherwise it's not allowed |
| [17:31:43] | wagnerrp: | basically, the actions you speak of are illegal in the countries where most mythtv users reside |
| [17:31:49] | iamlindoro_: | stop talking about this, last time, it's *off limits here* |
| [17:31:54] | peck: | wagnerrp: now THAT is true |
| [17:31:59] | peck: | ok, i'm done |
| [17:32:05] | wagnerrp: | if you want to host your own site in sweden with patches and explination on how to do stuff, thats fine |
| [17:32:05] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: hmm, on a related note, is there some statistics of where users are? |
| [17:32:13] | wagnerrp: | just keep it out of the main mythtv areas |
| [17:32:29] | peck: | didn't want to annoy anyone, it was just a little frustrating... no more now |
| [17:33:43] | gbee: | AndyCap: no, since it's impossible to gather that info without having mythtv "phone home" which would be a very unpopular addition |
| [17:34:38] | AndyCap: | gbee: yes, but there's wiki users, and maybe downloads, but distros mess that upp. |
| [17:35:56] | gbee: | those are all going to be biased in some way – wiki you'll see a definite shift towards English speaking nations since there is little non-English content, downloads as you've noted are worthless because most people get Mythtv through packages |
| [17:36:26] | gbee: | we could hold a poll, but that's not going to be very accurate either |
| [17:37:05] | AndyCap: | which leaves schedules, but since most scrape outside of US you can't get the data from the sites |
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| [17:41:06] | anykey_: | GlemSom: sorry, script has a big flaw, will try to fix that, but it will take some time... maybe tomorrow |
| [17:41:33] | GlemSom: | anykey_, heh ok |
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| [17:53:50] | justinh: | why is the number of users even important? |
| [17:54:12] | justinh: | nobody does any of this stuff to 'please users' :) |
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| [17:57:22] | jduggan: | if it wasnt a sense of pleasing users, then people wouldnt commit changes and make it open, they'd be making changes for themselves |
| [17:57:25] | jduggan: | :o |
| [17:58:00] | wagnerrp: | well thats more of a barter, you give bits of code to other people who are then more motivated to give bits of code bak |
| [17:58:10] | jduggan: | which imo isnt so bad.. opensource/linux community is full of hippies that moan, sometimes its prolly a good idea to not have to support stuff that doesnt work on someone's fucked up setup |
| [17:58:27] | jduggan: | wagnerrp: thats true |
| [17:58:44] | kormoc: | MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Finally! stream.pl can stream to the ipod! |
| [17:58:54] | kormoc: | and I should likely get to work... |
| [17:59:00] | jams: | jduggan- please watch your language, this is a family friendly channel. |
| [17:59:24] | jduggan: | jams: oh please :) |
| [17:59:38] | justinh: | jduggan: hey if I can manage it |
| [17:59:56] | kormoc: | jduggan, is that a 'oh please ban me'? :P |
| [18:00:34] | jduggan: | no its an oh please dont single me out for swearing, i can probably go back through lastlog and find 20+ instances of the same language being used |
| [18:00:57] | jams: | jduggan- and you will find that if I noticed it, they were warned |
| [18:00:58] | jduggan: | unscrutinized |
| [18:02:25] | justinh: | wouldn't get you off a speeding conviction ;) |
| [18:03:06] | jduggan: | justinh: it would if i proved the road was a race track |
| [18:03:08] | jduggan: | :P |
| [18:03:11] | judazz: | English is not my first language, so I really couldn't see what the wrong word from jduggan was – could someone spell it out for me? |
| [18:03:23] | jduggan: | judazz: people find it offensive |
| [18:03:27] | justinh: | judazz: yeah right |
| [18:03:31] | jduggan: | fact is, its petty, but so be it |
| [18:03:42] | ** jduggan watches his potty-mouth ** | |
| [18:03:55] | justinh: | I bet it's one of the first English words most foreigners learn |
| [18:04:01] | jduggan: | lol |
| [18:04:27] | kormoc: | judazz, just google 'swear words list' and it's on there |
| [18:04:27] | judazz: | that bart-word? |
| [18:04:34] | wagnerrp: | first day of ESL classes... 'so class, what words do you already know?' |
| [18:04:35] | justinh: | jduggan: anyway, it's only because IRC doesn't have a mental age test |
| [18:04:51] | justinh: | anyone can wander in ;) |
| [18:04:53] | jduggan: | justinh: true true |
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| [18:07:07] | judazz: | oh, man, found the word now... (not going to place a joke here that will make me banned...) |
| [18:07:13] | iamlindoro_: | It should be like leisure suit larry where they asked you trivia questions that determined your approximate age, and then let you in to the "clean" or "adult" version of the game. |
| [18:07:38] | iamlindoro_: | "Think you for installing XChat-- who was Nixon's Vice President?" |
| [18:07:43] | iamlindoro_: | s/Think/Thank/ |
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| [18:09:05] | AndyCap: | that would be LSL3, LSL wouldn't even let you play if you didn't pass |
| [18:09:10] | judazz: | I remember Leisure Larry, I think I ended up cracking the game to save me some time from searching for presidents |
| [18:09:12] | AndyCap: | or pressed ctrl-x :P |
| [18:09:23] | AndyCap: | judazz: haha, fail. |
| [18:10:40] | peck: | my recordings aren't always playable.. mythtv-backend shows a RingBuf error complaining about the png missing |
| [18:10:41] | wagnerrp: | i had a old tetris game that did that |
| [18:10:52] | peck: | i don't understand why the recording works fine, but the png is missing |
| [18:10:52] | wagnerrp: | had all sorts of russian geography trivia |
| [18:11:07] | wagnerrp: | of course i was 5 at the time, so i resorted to trial-and-error |
| [18:11:37] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: heh, copy protection? |
| [18:11:41] | wagnerrp: | only 20 or so questions, and all multiple choice |
| [18:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: I've never played LSL3, only the first one-- and there most assuredly WAS a clean version |
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| [19:39:23] | javatexan: | I had a Sata drive go down today and it got me to thinking again about backups :). My mythtv box motherboard has 4 extra sata slots, but no raid support on that. I am wondering if there is a way to configure Raid 5 or 6 "boxes" up to my mythtv box's extra sata ports. Anyone tackle something like this in the past? |
| [19:39:42] | javatexan: | i am guessing that my myth collection is way too large to bakup on tape, i think...maybe not |
| [19:40:25] | jamesd: | lvm supports raid 5... but then again if you loose 2TB of u.s. tv shows have you lost anything worth loosing sleep over? |
| [19:40:52] | wagnerrp: | you can get an external RAID box that is eSATA attached |
| [19:41:39] | javatexan: | wagnerrp: where did you see that...my googles are getting things for like $12,000 US |
| [19:43:15] | wagnerrp: | first one up on newegg... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707156 |
| [19:43:29] | wagnerrp: | although thats only 0/1 |
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| [19:48:33] | wagnerrp: | heres a RAID-5 one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816151046 |
| [19:48:48] | wagnerrp: | note the HUGE price jump |
| [19:49:00] | javatexan: | yeah...I see that |
| [19:49:04] | javatexan: | ouch |
| [19:50:36] | javatexan: | guess I could put a 5/3 in my case and run raid on the box. Thats pretty expensive too for 4/5 drives |
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| [19:59:20] | jarle: | javatexan: how about running software raid5 in your mythbox? |
| [20:00:40] | jarle: | javatexan: or are you talking about external sata (esata)? |
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| [20:04:30] | javatexan: | I would rather it be esata |
| [20:04:33] | javatexan: | if possible |
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| [20:10:16] | GoalieManPat: | Hello. I have a Knoppmyth backend. I have Ubuntu on my laptop and installed the mythtv -frontend. I can view recordings no problem but is there a specific spot I have to mount the Videos folder to view those? I can access that folder no problem on the server Im just unsure of where to mount it |
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| [20:12:11] | knightrage: | hey guys. can i import a channels listing [like, frequencies or something, not program guide] from tvtime to mythtv? mythtv stops scanning after channel 13 for some reason, while tvtime can find all my channels. these are analog channels btw |
| [20:12:28] | javatexan: | GoalieManPat: I had to make a share and use the same share on both the server and the client |
| [20:12:53] | jarle: | javatexan: just do as I did, find and old computer, add a SATA card and install openfiler or Freenas and you suddenly have a fileserver in your home for next to nothing. |
| [20:13:46] | GoalieManPat: | Ok. So just mount it to myth/video on the laptop. Ill give that a go. In the mythtv-frontend it doesnt ask where that folder should be located anywhere so I was unsure |
| [20:15:03] | jedi__: | linux supports RAID levels all by itself. |
| [20:15:18] | jedi__: | just throw a bunch of drives in the case and have at it. |
| [20:15:43] | javatexan: | for mine I made a SMB to my mythvideos dir "mythvideos". Then I added them to fstab of both machines. Then in the frontend of each, I added the /mythvideos/blah. |
| [20:15:52] | jarle: | GoalieManPat: the path for the videos will have to be exactly the same on all your frontends. |
| [20:16:10] | ** jedi__ has 6 drives like that. (nfs) It's getting annoying to deal with. ** | |
| [20:17:17] | GoalieManPat: | Ok. So by default it will always look to myth/videos. Is that the same then for say MythMusic and pictures? |
| [20:17:46] | javatexan: | jedi__: Does linux raid check the drives for read problems...I've heard that only the hardware Raid will check the Sata drives for that problem. I heard that if you don't check your volume wont rebuild at failure of one of the disks and the volume is no longer useful. |
| [20:18:57] | abqjp: | javatexan: "echo repair > /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action" will cause Linux software raid to scan md1 for any errors. |
| [20:19:25] | abqjp: | I have a cronjob which does that once every two months. |
| [20:19:27] | javatexan: | okay..I guess I could cron that |
| [20:19:36] | javatexan: | lol.....great minds think alike |
| [20:20:19] | jedi__: | how big is the volume, how long does that take and what does it do to the performance of everything else in the meantime? |
| [20:21:01] | abqjp: | jedi__: On my 4tb raid6, it takes a few hours. It automatically limits itself to prevent it from impacting system performance. |
| [20:21:12] | jedi__: | cool |
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| [20:24:11] | abqjp: | mkrufky: you guys sure didn't leave the version 2 firmware for the HD-PVR up very long :-p |
| [20:24:31] | GoalieManPat: | Thanks for the answers guys. Got it going |
| [20:24:37] | javatexan: | great |
| [20:24:41] | javatexan: | congrats |
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| [20:25:17] | mkrufky: | abqjp: i soooooooooooooooo have nothing to do with that product at all anymore |
| [20:25:36] | abqjp: | I know, I was just saying ;-) |
| [20:26:26] | mkrufky: | i still havent even tried it in myth yet |
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| [20:26:51] | mkrufky: | so far i use it with netcat to spy on what people are watching in the living room when i dont want to leave the bedroom in the morning |
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| [20:31:55] | bradd: | are the instructions at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR up to date for the most part? |
| [20:32:17] | mkrufky: | did you try it bradd? |
| [20:32:21] | bradd: | yup |
| [20:33:16] | mkrufky: | so then i assume that these didnt work for you? |
| [20:33:22] | bradd: | correct |
| [20:34:05] | mkrufky: | last time i tested the Linux driver, 1080i wasnt working reliably ... i dont know if thats fixed yet... but... |
| [20:34:23] | mkrufky: | the first thing i would try is to set your set top box to 720p and to stay at 720p |
| [20:34:38] | mkrufky: | ...preventing it from trying 1080i |
| [20:34:44] | bradd: | that isnt my problem |
| [20:34:50] | mkrufky: | last time i tried it, the driver didnt like resolution changes |
| [20:34:54] | mkrufky: | oh, whats the problem then? |
| [20:34:57] | bradd: | ive compiled and installed the driver but the device doesnt show up |
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| [20:35:37] | mkrufky: | ok, i suggest also asking in #hdpvr |
| [20:35:55] | bradd: | i'll do that |
| [20:36:16] | mkrufky: | ...unless dmesg reveals anything obvious |
| [20:36:58] | bradd: | it does not |
| [20:37:18] | bradd: | there are usb messages from when i connect it to the usb bus.. |
| [20:37:32] | bradd: | when i modprobe hdpvr i just get |
| [20:37:33] | bradd: | Nov 20 15:27:00 dogfish kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver hdpvr |
| [20:38:14] | mkrufky: | show me "lsudb | grep 2040" |
| [20:38:15] | mkrufky: | oops |
| [20:38:34] | bradd: | Bus 001 Device 010: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge |
| [20:38:46] | mkrufky: | yeah thats what i meant |
| [20:38:51] | gbee: | janneg: any chance that this scanning issue that knightrage and others are seeing, in his case analogue but others report it with ATSC etc, is due to incomplete frequency tables on our end? |
| [20:38:55] | mkrufky: | you'll need to ask in #hdpvr |
| [20:39:12] | mkrufky: | they're going to have to add the new subid to the driver |
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| [20:39:19] | mkrufky: | but i fear it might not be that simple |
| [20:39:26] | mkrufky: | they know better in #hdpvr |
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| [20:48:03] | janneg: | mkrufky: I thought I added the new id already to the driver |
| [20:48:21] | janneg: | gbee: not for tuned scan |
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| [20:49:48] | javatexan: | just checking...but.... mount: /dev/sda5: can't read superblock .... thats bad right? |
| [20:50:06] | mkrufky: | janneg: im in #hdpvr |
| [20:50:27] | kormoc: | javatexan, if you like your data, that does tend to be a negative, aye |
| [20:50:43] | javatexan: | LOL...thats what I thought |
| [20:51:20] | mkrufky: | javatexan: before u bug out..... turn off the pc and let it cool down for a minute or two |
| [20:51:35] | javatexan: | okay...I'll give that a shot |
| [20:51:39] | mkrufky: | and dont rely on that driver — u probably want to back it up immediately, if it works when it comes back up |
| [20:51:43] | mkrufky: | s/driver/drive |
| [20:53:31] | CoreDump: | he could just try to mount it w/ a wrong FS tho |
| [20:54:11] | mkrufky: | oh, trye |
| [20:54:13] | mkrufky: | true |
| [20:54:16] | bsdfox__: | is there any way to either give livetv priority over recordings (so it will try to reschedule) or dedicate 1 tuner to livetv? |
| [20:54:37] | mkrufky: | i know of a way, bsdfox__ |
| [20:54:46] | mkrufky: | its not exactly the answer to your question, but it is close |
| [20:54:57] | bsdfox__: | k |
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| [20:55:25] | mkrufky: | if you enable the option to avoid conflicts with livetv ..... i forgot the exact name... but its in the setup menus within mythfrontend.... |
| [20:55:33] | mkrufky: | it will cause the following behavior: |
| [20:55:48] | mkrufky: | it will use the tuner less likely to be used next for a recording for all livetv |
| [20:56:00] | bsdfox__: | right, already do that |
| [20:56:02] | mkrufky: | so in my case...... i have five tuners in a system using multirec |
| [20:56:09] | mkrufky: | i almost never use more than 3 tuners at once |
| [20:56:15] | mkrufky: | tuner 5 is always used for livetv |
| [20:56:20] | mkrufky: | tuner 4 is almost always idle |
| [20:56:27] | mkrufky: | tuner 3 us usually idle |
| [20:56:29] | bsdfox__: | I've got a 3 tuner sytem |
| [20:56:30] | mkrufky: | tuner 1 is always in use |
| [20:56:50] | mkrufky: | so unless you're crazy and record _everything_ off tv like i do, this scheme should do the trick fo ru |
| [20:57:14] | bsdfox__: | I'm already using that option |
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| [20:57:47] | mkrufky: | ...and do u ever have all 3 tuners in use? |
| [20:58:21] | msaul: | I'm using Mythtv (works nice), but was wondering if anyone else experienced Electronic Programming Guide blinking or flickering on and off? |
| [20:59:15] | msaul: | I am running Mythbuntu 8.10 (I didn't go with Restricted driver – for my nvidia GE Force 7600 GS OC card |
| [21:02:33] | gbee: | if the Restricted driver is the official driver, then you should have used it |
| [21:05:46] | Dagmar: | It is and he should have |
| [21:06:27] | gbee: | sad as it might be, the reverse engineered OSS driver is not even close to being a proper substitute for the binary driver released by Nvidia and it never will be unless Nvidia release the necessary information (not looking likely) |
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| [21:09:40] | justinh: | anybody happen to know if changing a user job needs a backend restart to take effect? |
| [21:10:52] | bsdfox__: | mkrufky: often |
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| [21:11:28] | jams: | justinh- i would say no, but can't put much faith in that answer ;) |
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| [21:12:02] | mkrufky: | bsdfox__: ok, well the only way i know of to influence which tuner is used for livetv is what i mentione above.... are there digital tuners using multrec? |
| [21:12:14] | bsdfox__: | nope all analog |
| [21:12:15] | mkrufky: | bsdfox__: oh, i totally forgot .... you can greate "recording groups" |
| [21:12:23] | wagnerrp: | gah... zoneminder is not distributed |
| [21:12:25] | mkrufky: | and you can put one tuner in the "LiveTV" recording group |
| [21:12:32] | mkrufky: | and prevent it from being used for recordings |
| [21:12:34] | wagnerrp: | it expects EVERYTHING to be on one machine |
| [21:13:06] | bsdfox__: | that sounds perfect, 1 sec I'll fire up an NX session on my backend |
| [21:14:28] | bsdfox__: | hmm I don't see how to add a tuner to a recording group |
| [21:15:44] | mkrufky: | thats in mythtv-setup |
| [21:16:27] | bsdfox__: | yeah I'm in there, can't find it |
| [21:16:41] | bsdfox__: | I already have a LiveTV storage group but I don't see how to dedicate a tuner to it |
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| [21:22:10] | mkrufky: | hmm, i thought you can do with for tuners.... maybe i was mistaken? |
| [21:22:28] | mkrufky: | i could have sworn there was something called "recording groups" |
| [21:22:30] | justinh: | what's 'livetv' ? :-O |
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| [21:22:43] | mkrufky: | i agree, justinh :-P |
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| [21:26:46] | bsdfox: | I think recording groups is in the frontend |
| [21:26:56] | bsdfox: | doubt you can assign tuners there |
| [21:27:10] | gbee: | not that it matters I guess, but just about to buy a HDD from a guy off ebay, the listing reads "These powerful and very portable Fujitsu hard drives can Carrie your dater all most any were" |
| [21:27:25] | Dagmar: | "...even down stsairs!" |
| [21:27:36] | justinh: | gbee: what've I told you about buying gear off of dustybin? |
| [21:27:40] | bsdfox: | good find |
| [21:27:42] | gbee: | which is pretty depressing stuff ... the state of literacy in this country |
| [21:27:46] | Dagmar: | There was an ad on Craigslist last week for a "nearly new" external USB hard drive. |
| [21:27:51] | Dagmar: | "Only one small dent in the corner" |
| [21:27:57] | jamesd: | youi can throw if off a tall building and watch your data really fly... |
| [21:28:26] | gbee: | Dagmar: could be worse, could read "Comes in 5 pieces, self assembly required" |
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| [21:32:42] | gbee: | noticed that this guy seems to be selling nothing but this one model of HDD, hundreds of identical models and nothing else .... draw your own conclusions there |
| [21:33:23] | gbee: | just weighing up whether my moral compass prevents me getting it anyway |
| [21:34:06] | kormoc: | gbee, that hurts worse. I can excuse a one-off spelling mistake, but when you're copy and pasting, you want that perfect... |
| [21:40:43] | gbee: | right, well it's either the Fujitsu or Hitachi drive ... coin toss I guess |
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| [21:41:06] | gbee: | although that Fujitsu make drives is new to me ... |
| [21:45:48] | Anduin: | Fujitsu is trying to sell its HDD division, WD was the last one mentioned as a possible buyer |
| [21:47:14] | Anduin: | an beyond ethics drives of questionable origin are usually a reason to refuse warranty coverage |
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| [21:49:54] | justinh: | Hottotashy deathstar or Jujitsu? Hrm. I choose Samsung from the HDD cupboard :D |
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| [21:52:46] | Anduin: | any loyalty to a HDD maker will only end in tears |
| [21:54:13] | gbee: | if I was buying for the long term I might go with Samsung, which is what my last 5 drives have been, but this is just to keep my laptop going long enough that I can figure out what I want to replace it with |
| [21:54:42] | gbee: | so I'm going with cheap |
| [21:56:29] | gbee: | oh ffs, they don't have the stock ... again |
| [21:56:47] | mkrufky: | looks like seagate is still on top with the 1.5 tb drive |
| [21:56:54] | mkrufky: | i have two in my backend and they havent failed me yet |
| [21:57:02] | gbee: | finding cheap PATA drives in stock is proving difficult |
| [21:57:16] | mkrufky: | price came down, too |
| [21:57:22] | jblack: | They'll only get harder to find. |
| [21:58:06] | gbee: | Fujitsu from the dodgy bloke on Ebay it is then |
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| [21:58:23] | jblack: | tiger has 9 PATA drives, and 42 SATA drives. |
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| [21:59:11] | XLV: | wd 640GB se16 seem to be on the market for some time so no infancy problems, they are as fast as 7200.10, a bit slower than 7200.11, the retailer here gives 5 year warranty, i got four on the server and two on the desktops |
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| [22:19:34] | wagnerrp: | bah, random crap was 15 minutes ago |
| [22:19:56] | gbee: | :) |
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| [22:37:02] | fuxxy: | Hmm, I ought to be getting a significant number of channels with my HDhomerun, (according to the lineup at silicondust.com), but when I scan, I only end up with 5 or so.. |
| [22:37:22] | fuxxy: | I found a guide on setting up the hdhomerun in myth, but it's for 0.20, and I'm running 0.21. |
| [22:39:57] | mkrufky: | setup is the same |
| [22:40:53] | RyeBrye: | fuxxy – are you over antenna or qam? if it's antenna – check how it is aimed – if it is QAM – make sure your signal is good |
| [22:41:41] | fuxxy: | RyeBrye, I'm on QAM, standard "Extended basic" cable. I'm showing a significant signal during the channel scan, |
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| [22:46:13] | fuxxy: | are there any tweaked settings for "Signal Timeout" and "Tuning Timeout" ? the current settings are 1000 and 3000, respectively, and the channels that I can get take a LONG TIME to change. |
| [22:46:18] | fuxxy: | longer than analog, I mean. |
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| [22:48:18] | tethridge: | hello all, I'm using ubuntu 8.04 and i'm trying to get a kworld plustv 330 usb tuner to work with mythtv. Have you guys had any luck getting it to work? Are these cheap usb tuners popular with mythtv users? |
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| [22:49:32] | RyeBrye: | fuxxy – the only time I've had channels take a long time to change was before I tuned my antenna properly. I've never tried on QAM IIRC – but |
| [22:51:07] | justinh: | tethridge: what does the linuxtv.org wiki say about your cheap & nasty USB tuner? |
| [22:51:26] | tethridge: | I didn't say it was nasty. :-) |
| [22:51:47] | justinh: | oops. USB & nasty are kind of synonymous, sorry |
| [22:52:37] | tethridge: | so to answer the second part of my question, I guess these aren't very popular? |
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| [22:52:55] | justinh: | look in the linuxtv.org wiki to see if the tuner is supported |
| [22:53:15] | justinh: | if it's not listed there you could search the linuxtv mailing list archives.. |
| [22:53:28] | justinh: | and if it's not mentioned there check out the linuxtv.org dvb driver code |
| [22:53:57] | gbee: | tethridge: popular might be pushing it, but plenty of people use USB tuners |
| [22:54:20] | gbee: | usually of the Hauppauge variety |
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| [22:54:54] | justinh: | yup. the rest tend to be a mixed bunch of er.. ahem.. |
| [22:55:02] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [22:55:25] | tethridge: | well, it works pretty good with windows |
| [22:55:32] | tethridge: | for $30 I couldn't pass up trying it |
| [22:55:42] | tethridge: | hdtv! |
| [22:55:43] | tethridge: | :-) |
| [22:55:54] | tethridge: | I've seen it for as low as $15 |
| [22:56:17] | fuxxy: | I'm getting a bunch of Updating UNKNOWNXX#X messages during channel scan |
| [22:56:34] | fuxxy: | I thought it was supposed to read channel id, etc from the digital signal? |
| [22:56:47] | fuxxy: | yeah, lineups from schedulesdirect, but at least channel info from the stream. |
| [22:56:49] | tethridge: | do any of you use xbmc to control a myth backend? |
| [22:56:54] | justinh: | tethridge: so it works well in windows. that means nothing |
| [22:57:11] | justinh: | tethridge: xbmc can't act as a decent mythtv frontend |
| [22:57:19] | tethridge: | I know that. My point is that with a good driver it can work at an acceptable level. |
| [22:57:24] | justinh: | it barely even works since they went multiplatform |
| [22:57:36] | tethridge: | I don't know about that |
| [22:57:40] | justinh: | I do |
| [22:57:50] | tethridge: | the latest beta works really well on my htpc |
| [22:58:01] | justinh: | so? |
| [22:58:09] | justinh: | it doesn't integrate with mythtv well |
| [22:58:15] | javatexan: | Do you think one can run mdadm Raid6 on one of these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816111049 |
| [22:58:15] | tethridge: | justinh, are you a bot. :-) |
| [22:58:18] | justinh: | I know it's supposed to & all that |
| [22:58:18] | fuxxy: | What are the "T" channels? |
| [22:58:35] | tethridge: | an angry bot? |
| [22:58:40] | justinh: | tethridge: no I'm a realist who doesn't believe anything he reads on slashdot |
| [22:58:46] | justinh: | next |
| [22:58:49] | tethridge: | lol |
| [22:59:12] | tethridge: | justinh, are you a dev? |
| [22:59:16] | justinh: | seriously.. xbmc isn't much use for a mythtv frontend |
| [22:59:20] | justinh: | tethridge: no |
| [22:59:43] | tethridge: | I'm using boxee too and the eye candy is really nice |
| [22:59:49] | justinh: | so? |
| [22:59:58] | tethridge: | myth does tv really well, but other things were lacking IMO |
| [23:00:03] | justinh: | so? |
| [23:00:36] | XLV: | javatexan, those are sata to esata enclosures, the raid0/1/5 is done by the enclosure, you just connect it to the pc via esata, it sees it as one esata hdd |
| [23:00:50] | tethridge: | just telling my opinion. Isn't that what you're doing? |
| [23:00:57] | tethridge: | :-) |
| [23:01:12] | justinh: | nope. the FACT is that xbmc can't work well with a mythtv backend |
| [23:01:20] | justinh: | playback of recordings is.. er.. hmmm |
| [23:01:38] | tethridge: | I don't know about that, never used it like that. That's why I asked |
| [23:01:39] | justinh: | and you certainly can't do ANY scheduling or nice playback features with it |
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| [23:02:04] | tethridge: | as for video, music, photo viewing, xbmc/boxee is really nice |
| [23:02:07] | justinh: | so as a mythtv frontend the fact of the matter is it's about as useful as a chocolate fireguard |
| [23:02:39] | tethridge: | I just need the tv part too |
| [23:02:44] | RyeBrye: | anything that can't do commercial autoskipping sucks for a frontend |
| [23:02:48] | ** gbee is still wondering what exactly sets it apart from MythTV in that regard ** | |
| [23:03:00] | tethridge: | eye candy |
| [23:03:08] | justinh: | anything that can't do timestretching sucks |
| [23:03:15] | justinh: | WOO EYE CANDY |
| [23:03:19] | justinh: | WOO EYE CANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [23:03:20] | RyeBrye: | true. time stretching and commercial skipping |
| [23:03:21] | justinh: | WOO EYE CANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [23:03:23] | tethridge: | lol |
| [23:03:40] | justinh: | shiny shiny lover, eh? |
| [23:03:40] | RyeBrye: | I could live with myth being done entirely from the command line if I could still do those two things |
| [23:03:48] | tethridge: | functionality and eye candy, trumps functionality alone |
| [23:03:58] | justinh: | I could entirely live without eye candy |
| [23:04:10] | justinh: | if that means time consuming pointless sliding things around |
| [23:04:12] | gbee: | pfft, MythTV 0.22 will have eye candy and a hell of a lot more features, but maybe we started in the wrong place – should have begun with eye candy instead of features |
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| [23:04:17] | RyeBrye: | tethridge – not watching any commercials – EVER – and never having to touch my remote trumps all eye candy in the world |
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| [23:04:48] | tethridge: | well, my htpc is a stand alone box, so I have to touch my remote. No keyboard or mouse |
| [23:04:55] | justinh: | look how slow xbmc is now – it might be 'slick' but there's a hell of a lot of DEAD SCREEN time |
| [23:05:13] | XLV: | tethridge, and what eyecandy mythtv doesnt have exactly? |
| [23:05:14] | tethridge: | justinh, when was the last time you looked at xbmc? |
| [23:05:18] | gbee: | it's the iphone effect though, shit phone but everyone wants it because it looks great |
| [23:05:21] | justinh: | tethridge: 2 weeks ago |
| [23:05:24] | RyeBrye: | tethridge – I touch my remote to hit "play" and never have to touch it again to skip commercials or anything else (and I'm not touching any other input device either) |
| [23:05:34] | XLV: | tethridge, rf htpc kb. get one |
| [23:05:52] | tethridge: | lol |
| [23:05:56] | javatexan: | i would pick functionality over eye candy every time. The eye candy will never get you a date so you might as well enjoy the extra functionality... LOL |
| [23:06:17] | justinh: | javatexan: people who rave about eye candy never get dates anyway |
| [23:06:26] | justinh: | at least not for free |
| [23:06:27] | tethridge: | so do most of you guys use hdtv's? |
| [23:06:30] | javatexan: | justinh: exactly |
| [23:06:39] | javatexan: | LOL |
| [23:06:45] | RyeBrye: | My friend the other day was telling me I should switch to WMC – because of the nice new eye candy... then later that day he was commenting on how he didn't want his son watching a recording of Veggie Tales because he didn't want him watching the commercials |
| [23:06:57] | RyeBrye: | I had to laugh at the irony |
| [23:07:00] | tethridge: | the big thing keeping me from jumping off my time warner crap hdpvrs is the fact that I can't get all the channels since they are encrypted |
| [23:07:14] | RyeBrye: | hd-pvr = all channels |
| [23:07:15] | justinh: | tethridge: and you likely never will either |
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| [23:07:30] | justinh: | not _directly_ anyhow |
| [23:07:33] | javatexan: | dude as soon as you say your computer is recording tv shows or anything else, your would be date's eyes are going to gloss over....like their lipgloss. |
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| [23:07:46] | tethridge: | date? |
| [23:08:06] | tethridge: | the wife wouldn't like that too much. :-) |
| [23:08:16] | RyeBrye: | you don't take your wife out on dates!? |
| [23:08:17] | justinh: | anyway... time I wasn't here. someone put the guy back under the bridge |
| [23:08:31] | tethridge: | so you guys have hdtvs or are you using myth on sd tv? |
| [23:08:50] | javatexan: | mine either...luckily she was stuck with me before mythtv or boxee or anything |
| [23:08:58] | gbee: | hdtv, laptops, desktop |
| [23:09:09] | XLV: | hd here, but even with the crt it looked ok |
| [23:10:49] | fuxxy: | I've got bunch of channels from the digital tuners that are called "UNKNOWN70#3", etc. How do I figure out what these are to link with schedulesDirect? |
| [23:11:16] | gbee: | ahh nice, looks like xmltv is offering ITV HD listings now |
| [23:12:01] | gbee: | fuxxy: in the UK/Europe I'd suggest those were data/placeholder channels which you could ignore, in the US, who knows? |
| [23:15:18] | gbee: | fuxxy: tried viewing any of them? |
| [23:15:52] | fuxxy: | definately can't view the 80's – LiveTV crashes! |
| [23:15:59] | fuxxy: | the others actually have some video |
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| [23:17:08] | gbee: | crash? mind reporting that with a backtrace? |
| [23:17:31] | fuxxy: | Not the entire frontend, just mythtv dumps back to the frontend. |
| [23:17:51] | gbee: | ahh, ok, probably data only streams or off-air |
| [23:18:46] | fuxxy: | ooh, BET – yay! (sarcasm) |
| [23:18:54] | gbee: | others might just been test streams for channels which haven't officially launched? You could try asking in the SD forums |
| [23:19:37] | fuxxy: | it appears the 76-ish channels are actual cable channels. |
| [23:20:03] | fuxxy: | but I'm gonna have to sit down with a pad and pen and manually set up aliases.. |
| [23:20:38] | fuxxy: | This is the first time I've messed with digital, period. Not really sure how I'm supposed to get myth configured to do what I want (regarding tuner priority, recordings, etc. |
| [23:24:32] | fuxxy: | so, first of all, I need to delete all the 80's |
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| [23:29:58] | jduggan: | gbee: good news! |
| [23:30:31] | gbee: | aye, can finally schedule recordings :) |
| [23:30:40] | jduggan: | yea |
| [23:30:50] | jduggan: | have you messed with the patches yet |
| [23:30:59] | jduggan: | my nova-s came on tuesday |
| [23:31:06] | jduggan: | now i've just to sort out a dish heh |
| [23:31:29] | jduggan: | i have a dish, just need to take it down from its current location and put it on my house =] |
| [23:32:16] | gbee: | aww, although the RadioTimes channels.dat included ITV HD and Nick has assigned an xmltvid, there aren't listings |
| [23:32:25] | gbee: | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/2118.dat |
| [23:32:57] | gbee: | still, maybe soon |
| [23:33:19] | jduggan: | is there something in the stream that tells you when there's a highdef stream available? |
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| [23:34:48] | directhex: | gbee, doesn't itv-hd show itv-1 shows at the same time, i.e. same listings for a narrower set of shows & hours? |
| [23:35:14] | jduggan: | i think the problem is that its not a channel in its own right, its a red button deal |
| [23:35:35] | directhex: | well, yes. a red button deal as in watch itv1, hit red for hd version of show |
| [23:35:51] | jduggan: | directhex: ok, so if there's no listing theres no idea which shows have a hd stream? |
| [23:36:03] | gbee: | exactly |
| [23:36:20] | directhex: | jduggan, well, how do you make listings for a red button service? |
| [23:36:25] | jduggan: | surely there's something in the stream though |
| [23:36:33] | directhex: | jduggan, in the mags, i can visualize a little "HD" logo next to a show |
| [23:36:37] | jduggan: | that myth can use to just switch to the stream |
| [23:36:37] | Shadow_M: | hello everybody |
| [23:37:03] | gbee: | but ITV have apparently started telling listings providers which of the shows are also in HD, and they can use that information to construct listings data for the channel – which is what RadioTimes must be thinking of doing |
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| [23:38:05] | jduggan: | i havent seen any real world examples of ITV HD, do the freesat boxes have a red button come on screen when there's a HD stream available? |
| [23:38:18] | gbee: | jduggan: even if there was it's nothing the kind of hack that's going to be added to mythtv |
| [23:38:26] | gbee: | jduggan: yes |
| [23:39:35] | jduggan: | ok, so it wouldnt be an option to watch for that indicator and switch to the mheg stream? |
| [23:39:41] | jduggan: | in code |
| [23:39:50] | gbee: | the red button stuff will be in the MHEG, it's not something that myth can easily parse out and monitor in realtime to switch the recording to the right channel, even if it was managable you'd lose the beginning of the recording and end up with two files for the recording |
| [23:39:58] | jduggan: | ah |
| [23:40:02] | jduggan: | i guess you just answered |
| [23:40:03] | jduggan: | =] |
| [23:40:42] | jduggan: | and out of interest |
| [23:40:45] | jduggan: | 4HD |
| [23:40:49] | jduggan: | do they do the same thing? |
| [23:40:52] | gbee: | and that's ignoring the fact that ITV1 and ITV HD are on different muxes, so the HD mux might not be available to switch to because you're recording something else on the ITV 1 mux |
| [23:40:52] | jduggan: | on sky's platform |
| [23:41:17] | jduggan: | hah, sounds like a bit of a nightmare |
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| [23:41:36] | gbee: | no, C4 HD is a seperate channel, but of course encrypted and unavailable for us to use just now |
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| [23:43:16] | jduggan: | yea |
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| [23:43:33] | jduggan: | im hoping they'll put it FTA though |
| [23:43:37] | jduggan: | along with BBC+ITV |
| [23:44:01] | iamlindoro: | Heh... love the users thread trying to torpedo hopes about VDPAU |
| [23:44:02] | gbee: | oh they will, but middle of next year at the earliest |
| [23:44:17] | iamlindoro: | "How great can it be?" |
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| [23:44:35] | gbee: | jduggan: do you know the story behind C4 HD not being on Freeview? |
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| [23:45:21] | gbee: | of course C5 HD will also come to freesat, probably late 2009 or 2010 given the current financial troubles |
| [23:46:33] | jduggan: | gbee: no? |
| [23:46:40] | jduggan: | gbee: i'd be interested to know it though... |
| [23:46:45] | gbee: | basically C4 sacrificed C4 HD to escape their Sky contracts for the other channels, they granted Sky exclusivity for the HD channel for a year in return for letting them take the rest FTA |
| [23:46:45] | jduggan: | i'm all ears |
| [23:46:59] | jduggan: | aha |
| [23:47:04] | Shadow_M: | hey iamlindoro crazy thing happened with my comcast service i am losing qam channels and no more nbc 4 |
| [23:47:06] | jduggan: | the swines |
| [23:47:08] | jduggan: | (sky) |
| [23:47:33] | ** gbee isn't a big fan of Sky or the Murdoch empire in general ** | |
| [23:47:39] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:47:44] | jduggan: | neither am i to be honest |
| [23:47:47] | jduggan: | but |
| [23:47:49] | jduggan: | 12months |
| [23:47:53] | jduggan: | is a short time |
| [23:48:20] | jduggan: | im guessing its been a good few months already.. |
| [23:49:13] | gbee: | this was back when Freesat launched, and the year figure is more of a rumour AFAIK since contractual details are generally withheld, but if correct that means we should see C4 HD by July |
| [23:52:57] | bomama: | Shadow_M: I'm dubious. Most likely comcast moved the channel mappings. where you live and what ATSC/QAM card you got? |
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| [23:54:38] | Shadow_M: | bomama havnt had a chance to rescan have been busy but the other local broadcasts still work eastcoast and hvr-180 & hvr-1600 |
| [23:54:38] | iamlindoro: | Dubious and doubtful are not the same thing |
| [23:55:31] | bomama: | Shadow_M: I dont understand. So you saying some qam channels work? |
| [23:55:32] | Shadow_M: | hey iamlindoro |
| [23:56:05] | iamlindoro: | Shadow_M, bomama is correct, it's not worth any hubbub if you ahven't tried a rescan |
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| [23:56:19] | Shadow_M: | yup some do alot have switched to encrypted and nbc 4 snt where it used to be |
| [23:56:45] | iamlindoro: | Thus... RESCAN |
| [23:56:49] | bomama: | Shadow_M: are any of the encrypted "locals"? |
| [23:56:54] | Shadow_M: | ah alright ill have to set time aside to rescan |
| [23:57:01] | bomama: | sigh |
| [23:57:26] | Shadow_M: | hmm |
| [23:57:27] | bomama: | Shadow_M: man dont come over here with heart attacks |
| [23:57:44] | Shadow_M: | i dont have a heartattack |
| [23:57:48] | bomama: | Shadow_M: do some due diligence first |
| [23:58:08] | Shadow_M: | ill give ya that |
| [23:58:35] | bomama: | Shadow_M: "I am losing QAM channels" qualifies as a heart attack |
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| [23:58:59] | Shadow_M: | heh sure i guess |
| [23:59:12] | bomama: | As bad as comcast is, I doubt they'd stoop that low |
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| [23:59:30] | Shadow_M: | we shall see when i rescan |
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