Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, November 19th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmmm, now whether I should keep my repo'd install, or install compiled svn..... Decisions, decisions.

[00:01:55]

GNovo:

EnderTheThird: There will be plenty of power... its not like the desktop virtual machine where an os is running on top another os... one box manages the VMs that are actually running on two other dedicated boxes... no where near the overhead of VM's in windows/linux

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GNovo:

Any opinions on this what distro would be easiest to setup with mythtv?

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: Pimpin. I just use a VM'd WinXP for Office and engineering software. Stupid Matlab, heh.

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EnderTheThird:

Gnovo: Mythbuntu is a breeze.

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GNovo:

Any advantage to using a more "raw" linux like gentoo?

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EnderTheThird:

Gnovo: everything's pretty much setup for you with Mythbuntu. You using it ONLY for MythTV?

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GNovo:

Yeah

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jm|laptop:

BSD!!

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, matlab works fine for me in linux, it's just a java app after all

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: Not that I can imagine, unless you just wanna be an elitist or some such. You can still compile SVN and everything from Mythbuntu if you ever change your mind. APT is nice to have

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jm|laptop:

v4b?

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jm|laptop:

:)

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, so wait, I'm a elitist because I like Gentoo's package management system?

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: No kidding? With wine I'm assuming? Granted I'd need access to MathCAD too, but it might be worth it

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** jm|laptop emerges kormoc **

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GNovo:

lol

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, nope, it's java, all I do is java -jar matlab.jar and it runs fine, least my version which is a student version

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kormoc:

32 bit only sadly, but works fine

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: wasn't trying to point fingers. I just mean for a simple Myth setup, Mythbuntu works fine. Don't see a reason to complicate it (if Gentoo's much more complicated, I'm not sure. I've always used Ubuntu).

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: Hmmm, might need to check that out then. Thanks for the heads up.

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dustybin:

emerge world --kormoc

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GNovo:

I use to be a Gentoo user when I was in college, but since then I haven't had the time to "deal with it" so I have been using ubuntu and opensuse (since the suse grub interface looks better)

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jm|laptop:

Linux != Ubuntu

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: only note about Mythbuntu is that by default, it uses XFCE for the wm, which is fine for running Myth, but I'm not a huge fan of it for desktop use. So I installed regular Ubuntu and added the Mythbuntu stuff from there.

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, shouldn't bad mouth things you don't know. Distros are purely based on personal preference. Nothing more, nothing less

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: agreed.

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kormoc:

GNovo, In short, you can tweak any distro to bout the same, so just use whatever you want

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jm|laptop:

the suse grub interface?!

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jm|laptop:

does it use grub2 or something?

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dustybin:

kormoc: are there any advantages using a cutting edge distro like ubuntu, because of latest libs etc? or is one perfectly ok using a distro like debian what has older packages? (thats if i compile mythtv myself)

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GNovo:

no I think it is just gfx

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jm|laptop:

vga=793?

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kormoc:

jm|laptop, grub has a option for a splash screen, some distros use it, some don't, some spend a ton of time making it pretty

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kormoc:

dustybin, depends. If you're gonna tinker and tinker, bleeding edge likely will stay more with trunk, if you want it to sit and do work, get it going once on deb stable and call it good for the next ten years

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jm|laptop:

dustybin: debian unstable is pretty cutting edge

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GNovo:

Crap... does the computer with mythtv on it need a good video card for the rendering/recording or is that done by the processor?

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dustybin:

well, im not using trunk, im using debian testing lenny, its good enough for my needs :)

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kormoc:

GNovo, depends on the capture card, not the video card

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GNovo:

k

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EnderTheThird:

Gnovo: recording of HD streams is straight up saving what's sent over the cable. Playing it can be processor heavy, or you can use gpu-acceleration

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GNovo:

k

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EnderTheThird:

And with you VM'ing it, I'm not sure how much it would be able to record at once or serve at once to other FE's

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EnderTheThird:

But I'm sure your servers have a lot more oomph than my Core 2 Duo

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kormoc:

you'll likely need to check with your VM to see if it will even support the passthough of the capture device to it

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GNovo:

Its all ip based right?

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: It's an HDHR, so he'd just need a working network, wouldn't he?

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jm|laptop:

VMware supports USB passthrough although firmware loading might be interesting

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kormoc:

the HDHR is all ip based, aye

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kormoc:

no worries there

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EnderTheThird:

Woo for HDHR. Still think it should come down in price though. It's been $160 since I got it almost 2 years ago!

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GNovo:

It must be worth $160 then :P

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EnderTheThird:

or $170, whatever it is. Same range.

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GNovo:

I think I saw it on amazon with free shipping for $162

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: it's been extremely simple and reliable for me. Supporting IR passthrough is nice too if you have it near an FE. I get quite a delay on that sometimes, but I've never bothered to see if it was the HDHR or something with my setup

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: and not to insult your intelligence, but you do know it's ClearQAM or OTA only for HD channels, right? So basically only the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, etc.)

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EnderTheThird:

No Discovery HD or anything pretty like that unless you get a STB and an HDPVR

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kormoc:

(or firewire)

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EnderTheThird:

That too.

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GNovo:

Ah... no... I really know very little about video

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GNovo:

Is there a network turner that can get everything?

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EnderTheThird:

Cable/satellite companies encrypt all the other HD channels. You would only be able to use the HDHR (or any other ATSC tuner) to get the unencrypted channels (which are usually just the major networks)

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EnderTheThird:

Your only option for ALL channels is to use a STB with Firewire (like kormoc mentioned) or an STB with the HDPVR, which accepts video from your STB via component cables (up to 1080i).

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EnderTheThird:

anyone using svn right now? just curious as to how mythui is coming along

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GNovo:

by STB you mean a digital cable box?

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EnderTheThird:

Gnovo: yeah. STB = Set Top Box (Cable Box or whatever)

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GNovo:

but I would still get everything std def. from cable right?

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GNovo:

with the HDHR

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EnderTheThird:

Who's your provider, cable or satellite?

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GNovo:

cable, charter

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EnderTheThird:

You can get analog cable (usually channels up to 120 or something, whatever it is) with an analog tuner (the Hauppauge PVR 500 has a great dual tuner), but that's going to be ANALOG, not your full digital cable (if you have one of those 200+ channel deals)

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EnderTheThird:

But the HDHR is ATSC only. It doesn't get analog channels.

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EnderTheThird:

You need an analog (NTSC) tuner for analog cable.

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GNovo:

k, know of any network tuners that get NTSC?

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EnderTheThird:

If you want the other non-network HD channels, and/or digital cable, you need the STB

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: The HDHR is the only network tuner I've used. Not sure about analog ones. Analog tuners (or good ones at least) usually have some amount of hardware decoding on them to ease the load on the cpu.

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EnderTheThird:

All the NTSC tuners i've seen have been PCI or USB, but I've never looked for a network one.

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: go to silicondust.com and on the right, you can go to a page that lets you use your zip code to find out what channels people have received in your area (and screen captures). Nifty.

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GNovo:

k

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GNovo:

so the "dtv boxes" that you can buy for the dtv transition are actually just QAM tuners?

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EnderTheThird:

I think so, though they convert it to a signal that an SDTV can use. But that's all for OTA broadcasts, not for what your cable company sends you

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EnderTheThird:

Wow, Myth takes a while to compile.

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iamlindoro:

ATSC to RF converters (not QAM)

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iamlindoro:

QAM = Cable, ATSC = OTA

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GNovo:

ah

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: Have you achieved 24fps playback yet? Not having a PS3, I am trying to decide if I should ask for a Panasonic DMP-BD55K for christmas ;-)

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EnderTheThird:

I sit corrected.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, I haven't tried, it's been low on the priority list

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: do you use spdif out on your FE?

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, One of them, yes

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EnderTheThird:

Ever encountered this bug (I think this is the one): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/25632 It's Ubuntu there, but everyone there said it's actually ALSA

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iamlindoro:

Nope, haven't run into that one

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: just wondering if you found a way to get global spdif output on that FE. Myth's ALSA support works fine for that, but it's a pain with Mplayer playing my Blu-Ray rips.

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EnderTheThird:

Well crap. The first week on that system was great being able to watch Hulu on there with audio, but then it crapped out on me.

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, I don't use mplayer at all any more, Myth's internal in trunk plays them fer fer better than mplayer-- And I just use passthrough for AC3/DTS, no issues encountered

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: Any problems with seeking on the internal player? I know that's my trouble with the repo'd version (0.21-fixes, or some such)

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iamlindoro:

s/fer/far/

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: heh, i thought you were just trying to be folksy

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, I only use genuine blu ray material (m2ts, not retranscoded) and in over 60 disks I have never failed to seek properly. Sure you're not talking about MKVs?

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: Nope, straight-up .m2ts files from AnyDVD HD. When I play them in the FE now, it gets very hiccupy when seeking ahead, if it doesn't bail out right away.

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iamlindoro:

I'm going to start a one man mission to ban the use of the words "Blu ray rips" when they mean "from Blu ray source." 'Cause it's not even close to a Blu Ray rip any more once the pirates get done with it

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iamlindoro:

works fine here, may just be your system is too slow

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iamlindoro:

Takes a bit more time, but seeks properly

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iamlindoro:

But we're also talking about two different versions of myth with two different copies of the codec libraries

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EnderTheThird:

True. I just compiled svn. I'll give it a shot after my recordings for the night are done.

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EnderTheThird:

Barely any recordings tomorrow, so if I screw it up, I can always fix it, heh.

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dustybin:

grrr i got a habit of installing the wrong remotes

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dustybin:

hauppauge upstairs, mce2 downstairs

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EnderTheThird:

dustybin: oops

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dustybin:

i dont need to install any modules on the hauppauge remote, they are already in the kernel :D

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GNovo:

So if I got multiple tuners... like one pci NTSC tuner and a HDHR... how does mythtv differentiate between the two?... Interface wise... Is it easy?

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dustybin:

i have a strange problem regarding alsa, everytime i reboot i need to launch alsaconf to get my soundcard back

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: Myth handles multiple tuners just fine. It will automatically assign available tuners for recordings and/or liveTV viewing

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iamlindoro:

GNovo, Myth treats them exactly the same

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: And for that matter, the HDHR is viewed as two separate tuners in the first place.

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GNovo:

Ok... so if I were to browse channels on mythtv it would show everything it has available, no separation.

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EnderTheThird:

When using a digital tuner, scanning using up and down in the UI will go between digital channels. But if you pull up the Guide, it will show all channels, digital and analog.

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GNovo:

Ok, now are there users to setup access to the interface?

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EnderTheThird:

What? I'm not sure what you mean.

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GNovo:

Guess I should backup some more

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GNovo:

Does mythtv have a web interface?

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EnderTheThird:

Yes, Mythweb.

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GNovo:

Ok, is there security on that interface?

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EnderTheThird:

There can be. You can set up password protection for WAN access and no-password for LAN, or all or nothing

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GNovo:

Ok, so is it just a single password or can you create user?

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EnderTheThird:

You can probably setup users, not sure about different access privileges or anything like that (like view only, change recordings, etc.). I've never gone that in-depth with Myth or Apache.

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GNovo:

Ok, I guess at the very least I could user .htaccess files

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EnderTheThird:

You'd need to consult a higher power to get a verdict on that.

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directhex:

GL painter seems to work well on Intel driver

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iamlindoro:

You can use any and all securtiy methods available to apache

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iamlindoro:

er security

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GNovo:

How about this one... what happens if there aren't any tuners available and I login to the interface... like if I have 2 tuners and I recording two shows... then I login and try to view a channel

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EnderTheThird:

It will ask if you want to stop one of your recordings before letting you watch LiveTV

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iamlindoro:

GNovo, Why not just set up myth and find out, instead of all the theoretical questions?

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GNovo:

My boss is going to be asking me these questions before we buy anything I'm sure

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iamlindoro:

Also all info available in the manual

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EnderTheThird:

If you have a fast enough system, I think you can get a decent setup going with a Mythbuntu LiveCD to see how it all goes

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GNovo:

Manuals take much longer than people ;)

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EnderTheThird:

If you want to minimize costs, just buy the 800i from Best Buy and return it if you go with another tuner.

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iamlindoro:

GNovo, IRC is a last resort, not a first one. Asking all your questions to help you do your job is terribly rude.

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: he has a point though. best way is to set it up and give it a go.

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iamlindoro:

Will we be getting our portion of your paycheck?

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GNovo:

You bet... let me know where to send it

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iamlindoro:

GNovo, I'm not joking around. If you want to learn about myth, that's great, but please don't use the goodwill support of others as a substitute for reading the HUGE amount of material we've all spent time writing.

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EnderTheThird:

Gnovo: Go to Best Buy and grab this little guy: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 186005934822

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GNovo:

I understand, the help is greatly appreciated.

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: That's the 800i tuner (though the site doesn't say so). You can install that on a current system and try out Mythbuntu.

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iamlindoro:

Especially when you're taking advantage of that help for your work (for which you are presumably being paid, and we are not)

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iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org, and www.mythtv.org in the Documentation section.

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iamlindoro:

Every question you've asked is covered.

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EnderTheThird:

If you decide you like it, you can return the 800i to BestBuy (it's $40 on eBay) and grab an HDHR or whatever. But the best way to know if MythTV fits your needs is to use it.

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GNovo:

kk

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: Check the Wiki about the 800i. You need to download some firmware for it to work (trivial stuff though). http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i)

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EnderTheThird:

The drivers are already in Ubuntu 8.10 (and the newest Mythbuntu), so all you need is the firmware. Instructions on the Wiki are straight-forward for everything from there.

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone else notice how ABC compresses the crap out of their HD broadcasts?

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, That is per-market

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iamlindoro:

and per-provider

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EnderTheThird:

Oh. Anyone else in Toledo, OH notice how ABC compresses the crap out of their HD broadcasts then? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Yep. Ought to be plenty of takers for that one.

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GNovo:

Did you say Toledo?

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EnderTheThird:

Alright. I'm out of here. GNovo, good luck with the setup. The Wiki has quite a bit of info on setting up Myth. If you want to avoid big changes, I'd recommend going with Mythbuntu just to give everything a try before you go off spending $160+ on tuners and the like.

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iamlindoro:

But it *was* the right question this time ;)

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I try, haha.

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EnderTheThird:

GNovo: yeah, toldo.

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GNovo:

Thanks much for all the help Ender... go get those buggers

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EnderTheThird:

*Toledo

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EnderTheThird:

You near here or something?

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GNovo:

No, j/k

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GNovo:

have a good one

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GNovo:

thanks again

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EnderTheThird:

You and your jokes. No problem. Peace.

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GNovo:

Time to read the manual. Later

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DrDigital:

anyone know much about antennas?

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DrDigital:

im wondering how high i have to install this antenna at

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iamlindoro:

Put it high enough to have an unobstructed view towards your tower, there's no recommended minimum or maximum height really.

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dustybin:

grrrrrr alsa and my soundcard is broke, i knew i shouldnt of upgraded anything

[01:36:25]

MartinCleaver:

Anyone recommend a place to buy the hdhomerun in Canada?

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MartinCleaver:

Doesn't seem to be widely carried

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MartinCleaver:

Found it: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Ite . . . pk=HDHOMERUN

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MartinCleaver:

Hmm. hdhomerun is not a pvr, is it. It's just a tuner?

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jams:

correct

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whoever:

hi all I have been trying to change my sd linup, i have it changed but when i try to mythfilldatabase , and check my guide my guide hasn't changed/updated but information . does anyone have any ideas

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iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all

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whoever:

iamlindoro: thanks running it now

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DrDigital:

so it should be above the trees?

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DrDigital:

sorry, got side tracked, my son decided to clog my bathroom sink

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DrDigital:

and let it overflow

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DrDigital:

and soak the carpets

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DrDigital:

id like to meet the idiot who installed the carpets their

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DrDigital:

or had the idea

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DrDigital:

im moving next week, or id cut them out and tile the bathroom

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GreyFoxx:

carpetting the bathroom?? Foolish. Never heard of backspray ;)

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bomama:

haha

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DrDigital:

yup, two sinks, a bathtub and a shower, al lgetting out onto the carpety

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DrDigital:

the toilet room surpringly doesnt have carpet

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bomama:

ammonia is a disinfectant :)

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GreyFoxx:

and great or bleaching your carpet :)

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DrDigital:

reminds me of this sign

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DrDigital:

http://pegs.no/pics/fail/fail-family-planning.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

s/or/for

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iamlindoro:

Speaking of worthwhile entries at the failblog, I imagine this giant 400 foot mast to put your antenna up. No, just put it up, point it in the direction of your towers, and see if you get acceptable signal. Only get MacGuyver if you don't.

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iamlindoro:

mounting it on the side of your chimney should be fine-- but why do so if you're moving?

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iamlindoro:

Ooof, I need every single firewire recording to go perfectly for the next week and a half to get all of one of my favorite series before the channel goes off the air.

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wagnerrp:

hmm... one of my test machines isnt booting

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wagnerrp:

gets to the bios, stops

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wagnerrp:

even worse, its a gigabyte board

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wagnerrp:

no cmos button, no cmos jumper

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wagnerrp:

i have to pull the battery

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whoever:

I'm having troble getting any channles to scan with the cable box. I have tried frequescy table = default , us-cable for input sources

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a1fa:

is it just me or there are issues with streamzap and lirc and mythtv

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a1fa:

this thing works fine then it lags up

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whoever:

would there be a reason other than bad co-ax connections to my cable box as to why i can't recieve a signal? I am trying to take the output off the cable box and it doen't pateer if i use an analog or a digital tune.

[03:12:02]

whoever:

matter not pateer

[03:12:24]

iamlindoro:

You don't scan the outputs of set top boxes. (and you should be using S-video or at least composite, not RF)

[03:12:38]

iamlindoro:

for analog in the US, you fetch channels from listings source, not scan.

[03:16:11]

whoever:

iamlindoro: if i use composit, will i still be able to acess both tuners on my 1600 card?, i don't think i would be able to.?

[03:17:20]

iamlindoro:

the analog tuner and the composite/s-video inputs use the same encoder

[03:18:27]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i'm going to use asi to ip converters to get the streams into myth tv instead of qam modulators and qam tuner cards

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whoever:

iamlindoro: but what im saying is the card only hase 1 set of composit, will both tuners still simultiniouly function?

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iamlindoro:

whoever, One tuner is analog, the second is digital, you can't pick and choose which

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iamlindoro:

the ATSC input is one tuner (digital), all the other inputs are the SAME tuner. You can use ONE of the analog inputs and the digital at the same time, not pick and choose whichever

[03:21:31]

iamlindoro:

When you go from a STB into the analog RF, you are not even really using the tuner at all, you're just using it as an RF input. It's also the lowest quality of the choices.

[03:22:35]

iamlindoro:

So you can use the RF in and the ATSC simultaneously, the S-Video and the ATSC simultaneously, or the composite and the ATSC simultaneously, but those are your ONLY choices.

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squish102:

wow my dvb card did one of those 'record two shows at the same time'

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squish102:

never thought it could do that

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whoever:

iamlindoro: so heres what I'm thinking, since everyehing goes digital in februrary and you eiter need a conver box or subscrbe to cable or satalite. ( the cable box coverts the digital signal to analog.) my thinking is that the with the set top box i can use both tuners on the 1600 card. So to get the ACT tuner to get the same channels as the set top box >> fetch channles and use rca composit. but then would the same set of rca

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]grimm[:

Does anyone know if it's possible to use a custom modeline with nvidia-settings' Twinview functions?

[03:34:02]

iamlindoro:

I'm fairly certain that's not even english. Because I speak english and that made absolutely no sense to me.

[03:34:48]

iamlindoro:

First off-- the only thing going digital in February is OTA-- Antenna. that's it. Antenna only. Nothing else.

[03:35:45]

iamlindoro:

Secondly, there are two tuners on your card. One analog. One digital. You can ONLY use the analog tuner to capture the output of your STB. The analog tuner has three inputs. RF (coaxial). S-video. Composite.

[03:35:53]

whoever:

ya i got lost trying to read it too, but it looks like u answerd part of it. since the settop box will covert a digital channel to analog , how do i do it since i need to use the composit for the ATSC

[03:36:04]

iamlindoro:

All three of those go the same place, the analog encoder.

[03:36:19]

iamlindoro:

There is ONE digital tuner. the only input to that is the ATSC coaxial input.

[03:36:32]

iamlindoro:

You can ONLY connect the cable straight from the wall or an antenna to that.

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iamlindoro:

You cannot use composite for ATSC/QAM. THE ONLY input for ATSC is coaxial. The one marked "ATSC" on your card.

[03:37:36]

iamlindoro:

Coax marked ATSC = Only input to the digital tuner. All other inputs = shared inputs to the analog encoder.

[03:38:07]

iamlindoro:

Would someone please step in here so I don't tear my hair out?

[03:38:53]

** iamlindoro goes to do something more satisfying like self-mutilation **

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whoever:

iamlindoro: but didn't you just tell me about 20 minuts ago to use the composit to get the output off the set top box ( so i guess the digital tuner is uselss to me at this point

[03:40:20]

iamlindoro:

I told you to use the composite or S-video for the STB. Yes. So? The output of your STB is analog.

[03:40:25]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: he wants to use both tuners for recording broadcast

[03:40:33]

wagnerrp:

he picks up one of those converter boxes

[03:40:41]

wagnerrp:

and uses an IR blaster

[03:40:58]

wagnerrp:

and then can record 'ATSC' over the analog input

[03:41:00]

iamlindoro:

Use S-video from the STB and the ATSC input from your antenna.

[03:41:07]

wagnerrp:

if in a considerably reduced quality

[03:41:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro: good answer to the "make a new directory for trailers"--don't do that as GreyFoxx is working on a patch that uses storage groups for MythVideo videos.

[03:41:38]

whoever:

lol, so i would be better off with a 500 but there pretty hard to come by at this point

[03:41:47]

sphery:

if people really want trailers in a different directory, someone can patch it to use a "special" storage group.

[03:41:55]

wagnerrp:

whoever: one of those converter boxes are ~$50

[03:41:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery, That occurred to me this AM. Of course they immediately came back and repeated themselves

[03:42:04]

wagnerrp:

you can just pick up another digital tuner for that price

[03:42:08]

wagnerrp:

thats the better option

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iamlindoro:

Which is why I clawed out my own eyes and am now typing in braille

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, noticed that--right after you said no, someone else (again) used the bug database for a discussion about the design ("this would be neat")

[03:42:53]

sphery:

(oh, and feel free to slap them back to the lists :)

[03:43:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Some of the ideas DO have merit (when the mythtv-vid video widget comes in, being able to select whether it plays the file or the trailer) but UGH I don't want to hear it in the ticket

[03:43:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro and jams : also, haven't yet had occasion to send out my pre-emptive e-mail on VDPAU

[03:43:51]

sphery:

exactly--good for a list meant for discussion

[03:44:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I decided I would wait to make some more improvements and comment when submitting a new patch so that I'm practicing what I preach

[03:44:40]

sphery:

yeah, I figured you'd eventually have occasion to mention it.

[03:45:18]

iamlindoro:

"What would be really cool is if the trailer played in a small video on the video info screen..."

[03:45:21]

iamlindoro:

Yeah? Well I want a pony.

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sphery:

really? a pony? You didn't see that (Verizon?) commercial, then?

[03:46:03]

iamlindoro:

And maybe I'm blind, but the Video info screen that was is GONE IN TRUNK

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iamlindoro:

(In Gallery Mode)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, commercials? What're those?

[03:46:36]

sphery:

yeah, differently done and only in some views

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sphery:

lol, yeah, forgot

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sphery:

They're the noise I hear when I go to the kitchen to get a snack (provide a built-in snack timer)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i see those sometimes at friends' houses

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whoever:

iamlindoro: u said if im going to get the digital channels from the set top box to use composit, why nat coax (since they are both outputs?

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fuxxy:

Is there some sort of script or plugin to import movies into the database, and add metadata, etc?

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iamlindoro:

I said to use S-video, and I you are getting ANALOG from a STB

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iamlindoro:

and I said it because analog coaxial is the lowest quality input there is

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wagnerrp:

svideo is the best quality you can pull out of analog, then composite (RCA), then coaxial

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iamlindoro:

It may ENTER your STB as a digital signal, but it *leaves* the STB as an analog signal, and thus must be tuned with the ANALOG portion of your card

[04:00:14]

whoever:

ok, so i just gotta remember to fetch my channles and use composit ( gotta get to the store , may be a few days, but thanx)

[04:00:16]

wagnerrp:

but if you dont already have the converter box, for about the same price, you can just get... a second digital card

[04:00:36]

wagnerrp:

and use the analog part of the 1600 for cable or something

[04:01:05]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Why does he keep saying composite when we keep saying S-video?

[04:01:33]

wagnerrp:

doesnt know the difference?

[04:01:36]

fuxxy:

Would there be any advantage to getting a Comcast "Digital Cable" STB, instead of just tuning ClearQAM on my HDhomerun?

[04:01:46]

fuxxy:

Without the extra service, of course.

[04:02:08]

wagnerrp:

fuxxy: a cable STB will allow you to tune the encrypted channels

[04:02:36]

wagnerrp:

but if by 'without the extra service', you mean without paying for digital cable, the STB will not function

[04:02:45]

fuxxy:

wagnerrp, from what I understand, only with the associated digital service, which, let's be honest, I dont want to pay for.

[04:02:54]

iamlindoro:

aside from you would get many of the encrypted channels with their STB?

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whoever:

iamlindoro: i don't think s-vido caries audio, i thaugh s-vidto just caried video no audio (am I wrong)

[04:03:45]

fuxxy:

I've got a friend with just the box. Was mainly wondering if it was worth the hassle of hooking it up without the related service.

[04:03:57]

wagnerrp:

you cannot get channels you dont pay for with cable

[04:04:05]

wagnerrp:

not without participating in cable theft

[04:04:14]

wagnerrp:

whoever: svideo and composite are both video only, no audio

[04:04:15]

iamlindoro:

whoever, Neither composite nor S-video carries audio.

[04:04:16]

fuxxy:

That's not what I want.

[04:04:23]

iamlindoro:

That's what the audio input on your card is for...

[04:04:28]

fuxxy:

So, short answer, it 's not worth the hassle.

[04:04:39]

wagnerrp:

the audio is just another pair of RCA jacks (or 1/8" depending on your card)

[04:05:01]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Woo hoo, fixed a segfault and patch version 3! I get to rant!

[04:05:08]

whoever:

wagnerrp: composit is 1 yellow (video) 1 red 1 white ( left and right audio)

[04:05:12]

wagnerrp:

composite video outputs color and brightness on the same signal

[04:05:23]

wagnerrp:

svideo splits it into two different signals, higher quality

[04:05:33]

wagnerrp:

whoever: composite is 1 yellow, thats it

[04:05:44]

iamlindoro:

whoever, composite is one yellow, the end

[04:05:45]

whoever:

so if i use s-video how does the audio get to my suner

[04:05:52]

wagnerrp:

using the red and white cable

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sphery:

iamlindoro: fixed a segfault (one patch) and patch version 3 for trailers support?

[04:05:59]

iamlindoro:

Red and White are "RCA Audio"

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whoever:

when i say composit I'm refercing to rca composit (yellow,white, red)

[04:06:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yes ;)

[04:06:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery, oh, no

[04:06:38]

wagnerrp:

whoever: composite is only the video feed

[04:06:42]

fuxxy:

whoever, break yourself of that logic. "Composite" and "S-Video" are video formats only, no audio.

[04:06:48]

iamlindoro:

fixed a segfault caused by my patch, resulting in version three of my patch, resulting in the opportunity to rant

[04:06:56]

sphery:

oh, got it...

[04:07:03]

fuxxy:

The audio is the same regardless of what video interface you use.

[04:07:05]

sphery:

was thinking you were multi-patching, now :)

[04:07:38]

sphery:

(I can't do that--I get too easily confused.)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, comments?

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leop:

it is possible to connect my Humax 5400z to mythtv, I just need to set the LNB in DiSEqc

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iamlindoro:

If that is a STB, you can capture the analog outputs with myth, but you cannot use it like a tuner.

[04:18:41]

squish102:

amd 64 +3500 cpu, running 2 flagging commercials = load 2, 0% wait... will it finish any quicker if i run them serially?

[04:19:36]

leop:

I don't want to use it as Tuner I'd like to capture analog from the satellite Dish

[04:21:48]

iamlindoro:

Yes, you can capture analog outs from your box.

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wagnerrp:

squish102: is it a dual core machine?

[04:23:17]

leop:

Do i still need to configure LNB Freq,Polarity and Symbolrate etc

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wagnerrp:

leop: mythtv isnt going to configure those things for you

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leop:

I understand that,there are options for me to put these things

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iamlindoro:

But no, you don't need that info if you're capturing the analog outs of a sTB

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leop:

ok let me explain something

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wagnerrp:

if youre capturing the analog output of an STB, mythtv has no control over any of those things (and doesnt need them)

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squish102:

wagnerrp no, single core

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wagnerrp:

squish102: then no, youre just wasting IO time for negligable additional CPU benefit

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leop:

I have 2.3 mesh dish with C band LNB connected to my humax 5400z receiver on the Humax the LNB in LNB out I'm thinking to use the LNB out into my Tuner card to record shows from the Dish can this be done

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whoever:

wagnerrp: question: can I have 2 backends that seem to function as 1 backend to the end user ( the reason for 2 backends is to fill them with anlog tuners to be accessed by 4 frontends) if this is posible would i just seperate the backend ip's with semicolons?

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wagnerrp:

whoever: you set up the other backends as slaves

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wagnerrp:

and all files are automatically routed as needed

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whoever:

how do i set them up as slaves? i havent come accross that one?

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iamlindoro:

If it's an LNB passthrough, you would not be recording with an analog tuner. You'd be recording with a DVB-S tuner. And then yes, you'd need all the technical details of your transporteds and diseqc

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wagnerrp:

you have one master, any other backend you set up is automatically a slave

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iamlindoro:

s/transporteds/transports/

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leop:

it is DVB-S tuner

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leop:

thank you

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leop:

thank thank thank youuu

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iamlindoro:

That's what I just said.

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iamlindoro:

So there's no analog.

[04:30:13]

iamlindoro:

"<leop> I don't want to use it as Tuner I'd like to capture analog from the satellite Dish"

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leop:

Thanks iamlindoro wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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whoever:

so if you looked at the # of cards on the master BE you would see BE card# plus slave(s) card#

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leop:

I might've misunderstood what've said

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leop:

I shall give it a try to night

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whoever:

wagnerrp: iamlindoro: i'm doing this over a lan with gigaibit

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iamlindoro:

Gigabit is fine.

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whoever:

im readipg about configuring a slave BE but it says skip over the sources steps? why when the slave backend will contain cards as well

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iamlindoro:

because if it's configured properly, you will be able to select the same sources as the backend. Presumably they're all being fed from the same cable system...

[04:39:34]

iamlindoro:

sources = channel lineups.

[04:39:49]

iamlindoro:

You need to try DOING before asking every little question.

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iamlindoro:

Jeez, it's like the evening of hypothetical questions around here

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whoever:

ok but (maybe i havent read that far yet) since i skip over vid sources how do i tell the SBE that the video source is X on the MBE

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iamlindoro:

mythtv loads the video sources from the database. They already exist.

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iamlindoro:

er mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

enough. TRY.

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sphery:

you only need new video sources if you're receiving your TV from a different source on the slave backend

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iamlindoro:

It works fine, promise.

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sphery:

I.e. you have digital cable on the master backend, and you've decided to add an OTA source that will only be used by the slave backend

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wagnerrp:

is 'David Brodbeck' on -users mentally challenged?

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sphery:

otherwise, just use the same source you created for the master backend when you connect inputs on the slave backend

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sphery:

(easier to understand when you realize a video source is simply a named group of channels available through an input)

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wagnerrp:

'gpu fans arent silent.' 'gpus are silent when theyre fanless.' 'i would think that when youre doing heavy duty video decoding, you would need a fan.'

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whoever:

iamlindoro: ok i think i get it ( i underseand by readipg (a little) but it comes together when doing .. if that make since eo anyone :-)

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sphery:

my mouse is mentally challenged... It keeps grabbing corners and resizing (even when nowhere near a corner--and I'm not clicking the buttons)

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wagnerrp:

the ENTIRE PURPOSE of a fanless GPU is that it has sufficient heatsink to not need a fan

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wagnerrp:

even when running all out

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I think the guy didn't understand that you can do audio via displayport too.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, There's a LOT of guesswork going on on that list right now

[04:48:01]

iamlindoro:

a lot of "I would imagines..." and "I would think..."

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sphery:

heh... well, the unwashed masses were told that HDMI is the "right" way to do stuff, so I guess they'll never learn

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iamlindoro:

I'm getting a displayport output on Firday... god only knows what I'll do with it.

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iamlindoro:

Friday

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wagnerrp:

seems 'David Brodbeck' is part of the homebrew-everything crowd, without any real knowledge of what hes doing

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iamlindoro:

I was contemplating upgrading the upstairs TV to 1080p this season, wonder if there's anything out there w/ Displayport

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iamlindoro:

(in the not expensive range)

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wagnerrp:

some of the higher end Dells have Displayport inputs

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wagnerrp:

their monitors anyway

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any TVs with such inputs

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, have seen them on a few monitors and sure they exist on TVs, just no idea in what price range

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sphery:

yeah, it seems that only monitor manufacturers are using them

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sphery:

and some receivers

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EnderTheThird:

One of these days, I'm going to learn how to make good .deb's to simplify this svn stuff, heh

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sphery:

I'd go Myth->A/V receiver->TV and speakers

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iamlindoro:

I could live with a receiver so long as it'll transmute to HDMI

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sphery:

the guy on the list seems to think going Myth->TV->Audio receiver is better

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iamlindoro:

Ew

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sphery:

"because then everything connected to my TV can easily share the am"

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sphery:

amp

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iamlindoro:

Wow, Displayport will do 10.8 Gbit... that's a lotta resolution.

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clever:

sphery: im doing that on my main setup, but only because it helps with selecting inputs

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iamlindoro:

Shh, nobody tell him everything connected to his amp could easily share his TV

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sphery:

So, then he's using the TV as a Audio reciver and his amp is only using one input...

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sphery:

what's the point

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clever:

sphery: the amp doesnt have 2 analog inputs, so it wouldnt be posible to feed raw tv and mythtv into it at once

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iamlindoro:

Because, you know, it's better that the TV look like Medusa than have a single cable running to it.

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sphery:

lol

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clever:

in my case, it lets be switch the vid AND audio with the tv remote

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clever:

it only looks like medusa from behind:P

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sphery:

anyone using Myth who has more than 1 remote is doing it wrong... ;)

[04:54:09]

clever:

and you dont sneak up on medusa

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sphery:

you don't stare at medusa, either

[04:54:23]

sphery:

(makes watching shows hard)

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clever:

sphery: my lirc receiver broke 2–3 dist-upgrades ago, im using 2 remotes and a keyboard

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iamlindoro:

makes you ahrd too

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iamlindoro:

s/ahrd/hard/

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clever:

iamlindoro: and not hard in the good way:P

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sphery:

why is it every time I cross a window border, it grabs a corner (that I'm nowhere near) to resize the window...

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sphery:

guess I have to restart X

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clever:

its better then windows though:P

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clever:

you cant just restart the windows gui whenever it goes crazy

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sphery:

true

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clever:

and you cant shut it down when leaving for a week to save ram

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sphery:

though, if you don't mind a partially-restarted (i.e. not everything starts again properly) GUI, you can just kill explorer.exe... :)

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clever:

its fun going about the house and turning everything back to dos mode by stoping every gui :P

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sphery:

do you find you use a lot of RAM when you're gone?

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

firefox wont load anymore

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clever:

sphery: no, but it helps mythbackend perform better for recordings

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sphery:

or are you saving RAM through the "only have so many read/write cycles" :)

[04:58:10]

sphery:

I see

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clever:

clever@d630:~$ The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error.

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clever:

This probably reflects a bug in the program.

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clever:

The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.

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sphery:

is this redisplayed?

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clever:

it was going thru tcp to my local box

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sphery:

it looks like you're using untrusted X

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sphery:

i.e. ssh -X when you need ssh -Y

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clever:

nope, even wider:P

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clever:

export DISPLAY=olddell:0

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clever:

skip the entire ssh tunnel, it allways lags

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sphery:

funny thing, though, is firefox writes an atom to X that says that it's running on this X session and even if you do an ssh -Y, it will end up using the local firefox process

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clever:

sphery: firefox -no-remote solves that

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sphery:

unless, of course, you use -no-remote...

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clever:

and i dont have a local firefox so it wouldnt happen anyways

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sphery:

but with -no-remote, you have to have multiple profiles set up and specify the profile

[05:01:14]

clever:

yeah ive ran 2 profiles at once before

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clever:

but they generaly resume 100+ tabs on startup

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sphery:

yeah, but the problem is plugins are global per user--not per profile

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clever:

just 1 profile is enough to consume all my ram

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clever:

plugins can be disabled per profile

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sphery:

and the only reason I need 2 firefox's is so I can start one with Flash while running one without

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sphery:

how?

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clever:

tools->addons->plugins->flash->disable

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sphery:

still installed, but disabled?

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sphery:

huh

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clever:

i think they learned something from chrome

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clever:

when i disable a plugin it seems to actualy unload it and kill every instance of flash

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sphery:

well, gotta restart X and don't feel like ssh'ing back home

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clever:

there, firefox running 'local' to the systme with all the ram, inside vnc

[05:03:29]

clever:

or not, cant open :1!

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clever:

then how is xterm working.....

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

xdm ignored my special auth path

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clever:

so when .bashrc kicks in, i loose my cookies!

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EnderTheThird:

can i get mythfrontend to start with a specific theme from CLI?

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EnderTheThird:

or edit a file to change it. the current one is failing

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clever:

EnderTheThird: many ways

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EnderTheThird:

clever: one would do :)

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clever:

both are in mythfrontend --help

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clever:

-O or --override-setting KEY=VALUE Force the setting named 'KEY' to value 'VALUE' This option may be repeated multiple times

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EnderTheThird:

I see that, but I don't know the specific names for the key and/or value

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clever:

using that, you can provide a fake value for the theme setting(to bypass the db one)

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clever:

-r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language

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clever:

and using that one, you can reset the theme&friends to defaults

[05:15:55]

clever:

then just nuke the theme settings!

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EnderTheThird:

-r seems to work. thanks

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clever:

mythfrontend --reset

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jams:

EnderTheThird- Theme=$theme_you_want

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jams:

just for future reference

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EnderTheThird:

thans jams

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EnderTheThird:

*thanks

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EnderTheThird:

heh, stupid thing seg faulted out when playing a .m2ts

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EnderTheThird:

part of the reason i wanted to try svn in the first place. figures, heh

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raptor85:

hmm, anyone else experianced a weird bug in newer versions of mythtv with the ati drivers, if the X session it's running in isn't actively on the screen the music waits to go to the next song until you switch to that session

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perilousapricot:

is there a PPA with the newer mythtv?

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raptor85:

it should have absolutely nothing to do with video but I've tried it with both the radeon opensource drivers and the ati propriotary drivers, it only happens with the ati

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EnderTheThird:

anyone around?

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EnderTheThird:

i think i'm missing something for php to work with apache and mythweb, but i'm not sure what it is.

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wagnerrp:

usually the init scripts would take care of everything for you

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wagnerrp:

not init, install

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wagnerrp:

package manager

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, but it's not

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EnderTheThird:

"Syntax error on line 104 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf:

[06:06:09]

EnderTheThird:

Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration"

[06:06:57]

EnderTheThird:

I figure I'm missing something that Apache doesn't know what to do with those php commands or whatever. I tried installing svn and then decided to go back to what's in the Ubuntu 8.10 repo's.

[06:07:04]

EnderTheThird:

Everything else is fine except for Mythweb.

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wagnerrp:

check httpd.conf, make sure theres a 'LoadModule php5_module' line

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EnderTheThird:

heh, that file is blank

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EnderTheThird:

methinks that's my problem then huh? :)

[06:10:44]

wagnerrp:

and an 'AddType application/x-httpd-php'

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clever:

some versions use /etc/apache2/apache2.conf

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clever:

in my case its /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load

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clever:

which are symlinks

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, wonder why it didn't do this stuff when i reinstalled mythweb

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wagnerrp:

mythweb wouldnt do such things

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wagnerrp:

the php install should take care of this

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clever:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

any idea which php install so i can purge and/or reinstall it?

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EnderTheThird:

which APT package, that is

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clever:

'php5' is my guess

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm

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EnderTheThird:

might just reinstall, that way i get sound back in gnome anyway

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genii:

Hello. Is there any HCL link? Or possibly someone may know if Hauppage WinTV HVR-1600 is a good choice

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genii:

Ubuntu 8.04 based box

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wagnerrp:

wootoff time again

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RyeBrye:

ahh!

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jhulst:

genii: A quick google search does wonders, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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genii:

jhulst: Great, thanks

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wagnerrp:

genii: the driver has some issues, but if you want digital and analog on the same card, its the only one i would buy

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wagnerrp:

either that, or i would relearn C and try to add support for the 1800/2250

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genii:

Yes I'm just looking at the I2C issues etc on the wiki ... is it a case of specifying specific tuner or so?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never played with one

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genii:

wagnerrp: Is that set an offshoot off the old BT828 ?

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wagnerrp:

is what?

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genii:

wagnerrp: The 1800/2250 ... most of the Conexant chips are based on old BrookTree 828 designs, which worked well in linux

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wagnerrp:

oh, its got nothing to do with that

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, the cards work just fine in linux

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wagnerrp:

they are not IVTV cards

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports IVTV-based mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

so the analog will not work

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genii:

OK

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EnderTheThird:

genii: this is just my personal experience, but i had a hell of a time with the 1600

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EnderTheThird:

first one was dead on arrival, second one just got terrible reception (not sure if it was driver or hardware related).

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if youve got more than one PCI slot, just get an old PVR off ebay, and some other tuner

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genii:

EnderTheThird: I was wondering about if based off the bt828 since I had to hand compile some stuff for multiplexing on conexant surveillance system boards made by Kodicom before

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wagnerrp:

it will probably end up being cheaper

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EnderTheThird:

not sure of the details of why it didn't work. i ended up going with a Pinnacle 800i refurbed from ebay for $40. Great deal.

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genii:

EnderTheThird: Does it do HD ?

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wagnerrp:

genii: it does digital

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EnderTheThird:

genii: wiki has a good page for the Pinnacle. it does HD and SD, but not at same time

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wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: it does digital, that has nothing to do with HD or SD

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genii:

wagnerrp: Is that on FiOS or so?

[07:02:03]

wagnerrp:

it does digital ATSC and QAM

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genii:

ATSC is what I need

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wagnerrp:

ive heard that some Verizon FIOS provides QAM access

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, wagnerrp's description uses the correct terminology, ATSC and NTSC

[07:03:12]

wagnerrp:

i would advise AGAINST using the pinnacle card for NTSC

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genii:

NTSC I can use pretty much any old TVWonder I would think.

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kormoc:

Ati's tv wonders tend not to be supported very well, you should really research before counting on one of them working

[07:04:23]

wagnerrp:

well to be honest, i would advise against doing analog on the TVWonder as well

[07:04:35]

mzb_d800:

can anyone suggest how I can prevent (or change) the IP from being displayed in the callerID for the mythphone popup?

[07:05:19]

genii:

wagnerrp: I have for my laptop another Hauppage ... WinTV USB@ I think (not handy to check)

[07:05:27]

genii:

USB2 rather

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wagnerrp:

would also advise against using that tuner

[07:06:03]

wagnerrp:

all of those cards are framegrabbers

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genii:

Well I finally got that one working but it was not pretty :)

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mzb_d800:

(for internal extensions, anyway)

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bomama:

some dumbass folks who lecture folks who actually have the hardware and actually KNOW how it works

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are a pain to deal with

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genii:

wagnerrp: Because they hog resources?

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wagnerrp:

they require considerable bus bandwidth (~20MB/s), require considerable processor for the software encoding, and get very finicky if you run out of buffer space

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: you know of any rackmount dvb-s receivers that output a transport stream via ip?

[07:13:21]

wagnerrp:

mpeg cards (IVTV cards) and just far easier to deal with

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wagnerrp:

*are

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wagnerrp:

CCFL_Man2: i have no experience with DVB or rackmount equipment

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wagnerrp:

although arent you in the US?

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: i am

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CCFL_Man2:

we used dvb-s here

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CCFL_Man2:

err, use

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wagnerrp:

didnt know US satellite systems ran off dvb-s

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CCFL_Man2:

a lot of channels use dvb-s for fta, and a lot use powervu, which is dvb-s compatible, basically dvb-s with powervu cam from scientific atlanta

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CCFL_Man2:

our public broadcaster, PBS, uses dvb-s for transmission

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alex_:

hi all, i installed/configur my box with mythtv and all works alright went i log into my ps3, its there a external server outthere in the web so i can log into (for testing) ??

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wagnerrp:

please rephrase the question

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wagnerrp:

are you running a frontend on your ps3? are you using the upnp client in gameos? what do you want to do?

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alex_:

ok, am new on this heh, i see mythtv can login my ps3 with no problems, but can also log into and external server right (by ip)?

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alex_:

wagnerrp: i already do that on my pl3

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wagnerrp:

ok, so you have streaming working on your ps3, and you want to know if you can do that from anywhere on the internet?

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alex_:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

upnp is a multicast auto-detection mechanism

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wagnerrp:

and while you can route multicast packets through the internet, upnp was not intended for that

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xris:

it doesn't work across routers/zones

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wagnerrp:

unless you do some fancy stuff on your router, you cant get it past your local subnet

[07:38:26]

wagnerrp:

now mythweb has some basic streaming capability built into it

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic works great

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kormoc:

basic? On the fly flash video transcoding and playback is fairly slick :P

[07:39:09]

wagnerrp:

recordings can be remuxed and streamed through asx

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xris:

wagnerrp: asx isn't remuxing

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wagnerrp:

or yes, the on-the-fly flash stuff, although the settings page has a big red warning note saying thats experimental

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wagnerrp:

well its not sending the mpeg2ps/nuv directly over the internet is it?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, actually, it is

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok then

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xris:

wagnerrp: asx is just an xml file that tells a media player where to download something

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wagnerrp:

ah, did not know that

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xris:

the way most people use the term "streaming video" it just means "watch while it's still downloading"

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xris:

as opposed to "multicast streaming" which is what internet radio stations do.

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alex_:

wagnerrp: i understand all that ...its like udp vs tcp, but i was hopping someone outthere with a tv channel i dont have here can he streame that tv show over the net heh

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xris:

alex_: that would be illegal

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wagnerrp:

alex_: upnp is all udp based, however the problem is that it (or the detection at least) is not point-to-point

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alex_:

whatelse itn't illigal nowdays heh

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wagnerrp:

its multicast, and multicast and broadcast packets are not typically routed over the internet (for good reason)

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xris:

alex_: nonetheless, we don't talk about illegal stuff here, and doing so will get you kicked/banned.

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wagnerrp:

rebroadcasting tv has ALWAYS been illegal, rebroadcasting copywrited content anyway

[07:50:05]

wagnerrp:

thats not something new

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alex_:

i know

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wagnerrp:

mythweb currently only does pre-recorded content

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wagnerrp:

it cannot stream livetv

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alex_:

well i guess i have to way to see my favorite new show from my hometown ;)

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wagnerrp:

you could rig something up using VLC to do that, but you would have to give it dedicated access

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alex_:

**news morning tv show

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wagnerrp:

now depending on how you set it up, mythtv has the ability to record off a VLC stream

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alex_:

wagnerrp: yeah i was thinking in that since i see you can prerecord shows like tivo, hmm that my work

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wagnerrp:

well if recording is not your primary intent, mythtv probably isnt for you

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alex_:

anyways still nice to have mythtv, its a great program, am glad i installed :)

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xris:

alex_: hulu.com. etc?

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alex_:

xris: thanks

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wagnerrp:

holy hell!

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wagnerrp:

SGI put together a system with 5000 dual core Atom chips in a 3U rackmount

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Chutt:

no they didn't

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kormoc:

5000?

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Chutt:

they put together a press release and a picture

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wagnerrp:

http://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsroom/pres . . . _kelvin.html

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Chutt:

yes, that's the press release

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Chutt:

notice how it says "concept computer"

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wagnerrp:

ah... so its not even a prototype? just a concept?

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kormoc:

it's not real until 3ed party folks get to play with it

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wagnerrp:

even as a concept, i cant imagine how they intend to cool the thing

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wagnerrp:

or run power distribution for that matter

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Chutt:

8W per chip

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wagnerrp:

8W x 5000

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kormoc:

The Kormoc concept cluster uses 100% less power then other high end clusters in certain, common operating conditions* (* when using the kormoc patented pull the plug power disconnect over industry standard atx standby mode)

[08:15:44]

Chutt:

x 5000

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Chutt:

right.

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wagnerrp:

well the image they have is a box with 15x6 cartridges in a 3U case

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Chutt:

that's something like 56 chips per cartridge

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wagnerrp:

im thinking the article reporting about it got it wrong

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Chutt:

and, err, isn't the 'dual core' atom just 2 dies in a package?

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wagnerrp:

4-chips per cartridge, 90 cartridges per 3U, 14 boxes per rack, and you get 5000 chips

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kormoc:

their press release says, "With 10,000 Processor Cores" and "with 20,000 threads of execution"

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kormoc:

that seems to say 10k cpus rather then 5k, unless the atom is hyperthreaded?

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wagnerrp:

5000 chips, 10000 cores, 20000 threads with hyperthreading

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Chutt:

it does say 'into a single rack' in the press release

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Chutt:

so, yes, that's a little more possible

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wagnerrp:

thats still almost 3kW per box, and thats only the chips

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wagnerrp:

the P945 they currently use runs about double the wattage as the Atom itself

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wagnerrp:

granted you dont need anything like the capability a full desktop chip provides

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, they built that to play back HD-PVR stuff before they read about the VDPAU breakthroughs

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wagnerrp:

but you still need a FSB and memory controller

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wagnerrp:

so is this intended to compete with Sun's Niagara systems?

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wagnerrp:

thread count instead of raw power

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mzb_d800:

many hands ... ? ;)

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Gokee2:

I am getting a Segmentation fault when I try and start mythbackend. I looked in the /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and its empty. How do I figure out whats wrong? THanks

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wagnerrp:

this trunk? 0.21-fixes source? binary package?

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Gokee2:

Debian package

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Gokee2:

0.21.svn20080706–0

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wagnerrp:

well if its a prepackaged binary, chances are you have some library conflict

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Gokee2:

Any way to figure out what one?

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Gokee2:

Full output the backend gives me is "Starting MythTV server: mythbackend /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: line 38: 526 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid --chuid $USER --nicelevel $NICE --exec $DAEMON — $ARGS"

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wagnerrp:

are you installing for the first time? or did it just decide to stop working?

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Gokee2:

It stoped

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Gokee2:

However I don`t know when as I have not been watching TV for awhile

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Gokee2:

stopped*

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wagnerrp:

wow, monitor didnt last long on woot

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janneg:

it speeds up playback too

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GlemSom:

Could some point me in the right direction for setting up dvb-c? I have a working card (tested with mplayer). but importing the channels.conf file crashes mythtv-setup – and so does doing a scan... :/

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directhex:

scanning crashes?

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directhex:

this is which version of myth, exactly?

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GlemSom:

directhex, 0.21 with fixes

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directhex:

GlemSom, any odd patches applied?

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GlemSom:

none other then the fixes (p18314)

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GlemSom:

The documentation and guides I've read seems to refer to and older version of mythtv...(Atleast the screenshots are not exactly the same...).. So, is dvb-c unsupported at it's current state?

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Dibblah:

GlemSom: Don't import a channels.conf

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Dibblah:

And due to a bug (some sort of thread-unsafeness, ISTR) you need to pin it to one CPU.

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Dibblah:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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GlemSom:

I need it to pin to one CPU when scanning?

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GlemSom:

Dibblah, You were right! Not it does not crash when doing a full scan! :D Sadly it only finds 1/10th of my channels... :/

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Dibblah:

Do a 'scan all transports'.

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GlemSom:

I do not have such an option? I have "Full scan (Tuned)", "imprt channels.conf", "Full scan of existing transports", "Existing transport scan"

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gbee:

Full scan (Tuned), but you need a starting frequency – or important channels.conf and then do a Full Scan of Existing Transports

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gbee:

if you want encrypted channels to be included in those added then you need to specify that in the video source screen

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gbee:

since it's DVB-C I'm going to guess that's 90–100% of the channels

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GlemSom:

gbee, Well, importing of channels.conf is not possible (Due to crash). And no matter where I start Full scan I only get 1/10th of the channels... But, I guess I can manually add them then? (Since I have a working channels.conf)

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gbee:

add the frequencies and do a scan for each, then add details, including channels.conf and the channels which aren't found to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5849

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janneg:

it could just be that no NIT or a NIT without other transports is transmitted. the crash should be fixed though and is probably already in trunk

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gbee:

GlemSom: pastebin the ouput of "dvbsnoop -nph -n 3 0x11"

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stuarta:

what are we looking at?

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gbee:

is the DVB-C card the only one in that machine? If not add the adaptor – "-adapter #"

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gbee:

where the hash is the number from /dev/dvb/adapter#/

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gbee:

stuarta: scanning bug where only a subset of channels are found

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stuarta:

on dvb-c?

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gbee:

in this case yes, might be different to the other reports affecting ATSC etc

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gbee:

ATSC bug was first reported ~6 weeks ago and since then I've seen multiple reports, which is strange considering 0.21 is months old

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stuarta:

they might have changed what they broadcast

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stuarta:

seen some oddities last time i rescan dvb-t on 0.21-fixes

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gbee:

other possibility is that a backported fix is responsible

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larstr:

how can I get mythtv to download images and info for my movies? it works fine in xbmc, but not in mythtv

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larstr:

I've also tried downloading that imdb script from svn

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gbee:

in mythvideo you mean?

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gbee:

works fine here, although since imdb have gone to war against such scripts you now get uber low quality posters

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larstr:

gbee: yes, in mythvideo..

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larstr:

gbee: it works where I have iso files in their own dirs, but I also have a few divx/xvid files and it's not working there

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larstr:

gbee: well, it only works on the folder "icon"

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AndyCap:

Any suggestions of a good dvb-c card?

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AndyCap:

s/of/for/

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gbee:

larstr: sorry, I'm not really understanding what the problem is

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larstr:

I've also tried renaming my directories/avi-files to match the title on imdb, but still no go

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** larstr is reading /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl **

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larstr:

hmm.. Can't locate MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm in @INC ....

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stuarta:

install the bindings

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larstr:

yep.. looking for it

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Anduin:

larstr: you are still running the svn one which isn't self contained

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Anduin:

it isn't in the bindings

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Anduin:

(it only looks like it, I almost put it there)

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larstr:

Anduin: the svn one

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Anduin:

larstr: I don't know what that is supposed to mean, if you want the svn one to work you need to duplicate what it would do (install MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm to /usr/local/include/blah)

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larstr:

Anduin: yep. I understand that

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larstr:

yep.. atleast the script works now :)

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larstr:

but it didn't change anything inside mythvideo... do I have to restart myth for it to try fething the data again?

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Anduin:

There should be almost no functional difference between svn the -fixes for the script.

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larstr:

well.. maybe I have misunderstood something, or it's working differntly than xbmc

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Anduin:

It probably is. You just need to search, or if you searched before and it found something, reset and search.

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larstr:

I'll have to enter IMDB numbers manually for each movie?

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Anduin:

Uh, no, just go to the video manager and search, if it doesn't match you can enter the number manually, edit the metadata and search again, or do the manual title search.

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larstr:

ah.. yes.. is it possible to run a global search?

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gbee:

no, because if it was Imdb would just work even faster to stop us scraping

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gbee:

however once we drop IMDB in 0.22 then I guess we could probably have a global search/download

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larstr:

gbee: that would be nice! :)

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directhex:

gbee, what's the data source in 0.22?

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gbee:

directhex: hasn't been officially decided yet, but I like the look of themoviedb.org

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gbee:

chances are that we might have a combined approach, falling back to another source if the first doesn't yield results, depends if there are any other potential and open/free sources

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gbee:

Anduin: would know more than I

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directhex:

gbee, different sources for different types of data, perhaps?

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directhex:

gbee, like xbmc searching tv show dbs if you mark a folder as being tv shows?

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directhex:

(and porn for porn...)

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ward_:

can i let mythtv convert everything i want to stream trough my xbox360 over upnp to wmv?

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ward_:

(the damn thing wont do a mpeg4 update, MS screws up again)

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Anduin:

My only problem with tmdb is that I don't think it will be around long enough. That said I plan to add tmdb and omdb.

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gbee:

Anduin: it needs critical mass, right now it seems as though it's run by one guy and that does worry me too, but if we throw the weight of users behind it then maybe it will evolve into something a little more solid

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Anduin:

ward_: there is no real-time transcoding in MythTV (ignoring flv for mythweb)

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ward_:

Anduin damn

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ward_:

then ill keep annoying MS

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gbee:

I know xmbc depends on tmdb now, all their fan art stuff comes from there

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ward_:

they told me they had a problem on their network so far, but i can smell it when helpdesk people lie because i worked at a helpdesk myself lol

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ward_:

thanx for the info

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gbee:

Anduin: could just try asking TMDB what their plans are, how they expect to fund it as popularity increases, whether they will make the entire database and images available for replication should they be unable to continue etc

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gbee:

omdb is fine but has a lot of non-english data mixed in and no API that I'm aware of, I'm not sure that it's future is anymore certain than tmdb

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Anduin:

I'm not sure of that either, there are more people involved though, and they seem to care a tiny bit about copyrights.

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Anduin:

they do have an API, I started a grabber, the API isn't complete yet and well the grabber will get done eventually

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gbee:

k

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ruskie:

lo

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Anduin:

My plan for 0.22 is to make grabber selection easier, more mythweather like (drop a grabber in a dir and it is useable). I'm hoping that will be enough should one or both vanish.

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gbee:

common grabber API too? So no need to enter the grabber command line?

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stuarta:

idea++

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ruskie:

hmm I'm thinking of hooking up an external hdd to my myth box... I'm looking at something that supports usb2, firewire(cause I have fw on the box) and esata. Anyone have any suggestions?

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stuarta:

whatever is cheap at your local shop?

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Anduin:

gbee: Yes, if people want to deviate that can wrap.

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Anduin:

er they can

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ruskie:

stuarta, mostly looking for people that have tried such with a myth setup...

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stuarta:

i have

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ruskie:

so anything much really should go...

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stuarta:

pretty much

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stuarta:

although usb1.1 is bad

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ruskie:

ok a more device specific q then just in case anyone knows: if I get one of those mybook things(since they seem to have all 3 interfaces) is it possible to stuff any other hdd in it or is it somehow locked to wd only?

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ruskie:

I plan on using firewire on the myth box for it

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ruskie:

atm I have stuff available through upnp+djmount but whenever I open up the media library it takes quite a few seconds to get anything...

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Dibblah:

This is Myth related... How? ;)

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Dibblah:

ruskie: It'll be spinning down the disk.

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ruskie:

that I plan on running this primarily on a myth box?

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stuarta:

spinning down didn't seem to matter for me

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stuarta:

it spun up again as soon as it was accessed

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ruskie:

thanks for the info...

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ruskie:

so is it normal that myth would work for 10–20 seconds before opening the media library?

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gbee:

put it into context, how many files?

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gbee:

I'd say no ... but a 100 million entries in the database ...

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gbee:

oh the irony, a Channel 4 documentary about the financial crisis and the causes is sponsored by the Cayman Islands

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stuarta:

hah

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ruskie:

gbee, I'll check when I get home but I doubt I have anywhere near that...

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larstr:

it retrieved all the movie data ok, but no posters

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gbee:

that's a blessing, IMDB have removed all the high res posters, what's left are a blur of pixels

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** stuarta makes a note not to update any posters **

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gbee:

e.g. http://posters.imdb.com/posters/c/cri051po.jpg

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gbee:

they get better, this would be about the best quality you get now – http://posters.imdb.com/posters/g/gladiator45473.jpg

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stuarta:

yuck

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gbee:

in contrast the images on tmdb are a little too high quality, at least if you retrieve the 'large' – they take a while to scale and some are over 1.5Mb

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porcodildo:

hi

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porcodildo:

someone knows if it is possible to power off the lcd?

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Maliuta:

"power off" acpi can power down to standby

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porcodildo:

Maliuta, yes but the lcd is not powered off

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Maliuta:

porcodildo: you can issue commands to make acpi do things like that you know

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Maliuta:

you would need to consult manuals and people more in the specific know about it though

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porcodildo:

ok thanks

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porcodildo:

so I have to power off usb connectors (because the lcd is plugged to usb)

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jedi__:

If images are "too big" you can always go back and rescale them yourself with imagemajick or somesuch.

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iamlindoro:

This channel really does go all retarded in the late evening in the US until the morning or so.

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iamlindoro:

lots of semi-literate American kids up past their bedtimes or something

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stuarta:

lack of caffeine

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I've noticed it more and more of late going into the late evening-- sometimes you see an answer that needs a nudge in the right direction and step in to give it... but more and more I just look at things and go, "Wow. Not touching that."

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** stuarta goes hunting for the link to the ATI gpu api announcement **

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iamlindoro:

Oh, did they release an API while I wasn't looking? Neat.

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iamlindoro:

(assuming you mean the XvBA stuff)

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stuarta:

yes, although most attention is currently focused on the nvidia one which was announce a couple of weeks after the ati one

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stuarta:

and i have ati hw not nvidia

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... I'm surprised an API announcement has escaped Phoronix so far-- last they had mentioned it it was just something grepped out of Xorg.0.log. Well that's good news.

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stuarta:

i'm guessing i mean the xvba stuff :)

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like. I own both (and a new nVidia 9300 mobo on the way) so I'll play with both, sounds like they'll be near identical for all intents and purposes

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stuarta:

although afaict the api's are completely different

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iamlindoro:

right, meant only in terms of functionality

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stuarta:

yeah

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stuarta:

should be

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iamlindoro:

Amusing that it leaves my recently-purchased frontend with Intel Graphics the odd man out :)

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stuarta:

i don't believe my card is supported anyway (radeon 1550

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stuarta:

)

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stuarta:

not with the funky stuff anyway

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stuarta:

err, 9550 :)

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iamlindoro:

I can't keep track of the ocean of product numbers, chipset numbers, clock rates versus product codenames... It used to be so easy.

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wagnerrp:

new video card came a day early

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wagnerrp:

although i cant manage to figure out how to pull the current build flags out of mplayer, much less even get a version number

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wagnerrp:

svn revision, anything

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at0m|c:

There is -8 days worth of data, through to 2008-11–11 ); Belgian guida data provision has disappeared again.. Would it be ok to use EIT temporarily? or would that screw up the db? And if EIT is ok, should I enable it for the whole Source?

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stuarta:

it would be an interesting experiment

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stuarta:

generally the EIT data is significantly different from xmltv data

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stuarta:

so it'll replace all the xmltv based data

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at0m|c:

I understand it's short-term, but that's ok, at least the backend would see programs before they start and record my scheduled shows

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stuarta:

and the dup matching will have a hard time, and so prob record stuff you've already recorded

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at0m|c:

wouldnt care for the duplicate matching too much, but dont wanna screw up all channel data

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at0m|c:

i know it's a bit dubious to switch, hence my 8 days waiting eh

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stuarta:

it won't change your channel names if that's what you are asking

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jedi__:

any idea when the new nvidia acelleration stuff will make it into myth?

[16:34:09]

stuarta:

it'll completely replace your program data however

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stuarta:

jedi__: when it's ready

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at0m|c:

also previously recorded stuff?

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gbee:

jedi__: everytime someone asks that, we delay it by a week

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stuarta:

at0m|c: no

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at0m|c:

stuarta, ok that's a heads up :)

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kkuno:

someone has an usb lcd?

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gbee:

right now I wouldn't expect to see it for 33 years

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kkuno:

I'm trying to power off it

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stuarta:

34 years if you have ati hardware like me :)

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jedi__:

some people are just a glutton for punishment (ati users)

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gbee:

fud

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stuarta:

well nvidia didn't do drivers when i started down the ati route

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stuarta:

and i've no reason to change

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gbee:

new ati drivers are lovely

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stuarta:

must try them when i get home

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gbee:

and lets not forget they were the first to offer hardware accelerated decoding in linux

[16:39:14]

** ruskie always liked ATI gear **

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ruskie:

to bad my myth box is stuck with an ancient nvidia card...

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stuarta:

my video card fan is making odd noises again

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stuarta:

poor me

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gbee:

I'll trade my clicking hard drive for your noisy fan ;)

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stuarta:

pass

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stuarta:

killed my previous card fixing it's noisy fan

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ruskie:

mmm nice... managed to dig up a local store that's selling seagate freeagent 1tb drives...

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jedi__:

why not get something fanless?

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jduggan:

gbee: it was hardly practical hardware acceleration though, since there was no implementation...

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stuarta:

jedi__: probably will next time

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stuarta:

jduggan: yeah, that was a problem for ages

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gbee:

jduggan: I'm not going to hold that against ATi, their hands are tied, but they have made the effort and are doing what they can to help the development of OSS based solutions

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gbee:

people can be so damn hard to please, everyone attacked ATi for their lack of proper drivers, their non-participation in OSS – when they turn around and produce non only a good driver, but a better driver in many respects than Nvidia and in just a year, they participate in the development of the OSS driver handing over technical documents (something Nvidia hasn't ever done) .... it's still not good enough?

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stuarta:

i appreciate what they've done

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RDV_Linux:

I own both a ATI and nVidia card and where I will disagree with the complaints is that nVidia drivers closed source or not work and work well with Linux something I cannot say for ATI. I tried the latest ATI drivers 2 weeks ago and the video still flickers if not in full screen. I have been waiting for that issue to be resolved for over a year.

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: reported it?

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gbee:

the ATi driver isn't perfect, but it's achieved in a year what it took Nvidia twice as long to do

[17:00:35]

RDV_Linux:

Yes along with many other on Phoronix.

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gbee:

hell the latest nvidia driver has partly broken opengl and I get video tearing – so Nvidia ain't much better

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jduggan:

gbee: i can only talk of real world experience, and real world, despite what ATi have achieved, nvidia is an easier driver to install and tends to be alot easier/less problems etc etc

[17:02:39]

gbee:

without question ATi's actions in the last 18 months have started an arms race with Nvidia, from which we'll all benefit Nvidia or ATi users alike

[17:02:46]

jduggan:

certainly

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RDV_Linux:

Maybe I got into the Linux game late but the issues with ATI and Linux drove me to replace a perfectly good ATI card with a mid-performance nVidia. Within an hour of getting the nVidia card I was up and running in Linux without any of the video issues I had with ATI.

[17:03:49]

stuarta:

prior to that you had zero support from nvidia, and no open source drivers

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stuarta:

at the time you could at least get your ati card running with open drivers

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stuarta:

albeit with no acceleration

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RDV_Linux:

I will also agree that ATI has improved and all Linux users will benefit from the competition between the two companies.

[17:05:24]

gbee:

my experience of the ATI driver, admittedly with a single IGP was enough to put me in the ATI camp – not only was it easier to install than the Nvidia driver, better configuration tools but had no more bugs than any Nvidia driver does on alternate months

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gbee:

experience is going to vary, but you've got to respect where they've come from in such short time, they offered features which I'd been waiting years for Nvidia to add

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stuarta:

i'm just hoping we end up with some cohesive gpu hw api

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RDV_Linux:

TiVo offers Dominos Pizza delivery (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/thea . . . ivery.aspx). I would like this kind of feature in Mythtv but I would rather Mythtv tell my dog to get me a beer from the fridge. How long will take for such a feature?:-D

[17:10:25]

stuarta:

when you write it

[17:10:37]

RDV_Linux:

It always come down to that

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stuarta:

:-p

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iamlindoro:

Myth already has this functionality.

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stuarta:

it's located in the chair to keyboard interface

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iamlindoro:

Mythbrowser->www.pizzahut.com->???->Profit!

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stuarta:

step 1. collect underpants, step 2. ????, step 3. Profit $$$$

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stuarta:

ah how i miss the underpant gnomes

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AndyCap:

gallery.sf.net seems to have gotten to step 2

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bbeattie:

Is the new theme system from scratch or is it being taken (or in parts) from Xperinets myth box?

[17:24:23]

iamlindoro:

no idea what xperinet is, so safe to say it's not using that

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stuarta:

hampsters maybe...

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jams:

it's not related in any way to xperinets

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bbeattie:

Xperinet's gui was a modified myth that looked like the new gui screenshots, and Xperinet's developer was also one of the myth developers (or at least was submitting some code to myth at the same time as employment)

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bbeattie:

too bad, I was hoping we'd get the multi room audio stuff too. :)

[17:27:06]

stuarta:

i'm not convinced that a myth dev was an xperinet dev

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iamlindoro:

I'm looking at their screenshots and don't (personally) see any similarity to the new UI stuff, but maybe that's just me

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jams:

heh doesn't seem possible to buy mirv

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shadash:

hey jams I'm creating respins left and right now ;-)

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bbeattie:

nope

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shadash:

currently I'm trying to figure out why this one dvd .iso isn't working for someone

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bbeattie:

they went under, which was why I was curious if it was their code that got released back... I know some myth users were trying to make them release the code under the GPL but they wouldn't

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shadash:

It always sucks trying to figure out what someone else has done

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iamlindoro:

If they wrote their own frontend to myth, as it appears they did, there's no reason they'd have to release their code.

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iamlindoro:

In fact... I can't even tell what in the world they would have used myth for, it's not even a DVR.

[17:34:59]

bbeattie:

video and music playback and ripping

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gbee:

I've never even heard of Xperinet, let alone ripped off code from it

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bbeattie:

I saw the box, it was using myth for at least some parts, especially ripping...

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jams:

admit it gbee, you are the developer that worked for xperinet!

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: ive had a great energy saving idea, my macbook pro is my deskop as well as laptop, when i want to use it as a desktop, i just plug in external keyboard, mouse and display. Its a C2D 2.2 + 2G RAM + GeForce 8600M GT, ...more than enough for desktop needs :)

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dustybin:

the lid can be fully closed when its uses as a desktop, its low powered and silent, perfect

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, congratulations, welcome to "pretty much every laptop ever made."

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dustybin:

:( i thought you would be impressed

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iamlindoro:

Impressed that you... plugged a monitor and keyboard into your laptop?

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gbee:

jams: heh, well just looked at the screenshots and although some of it looks similar to myth, it's also pretty generic stuff, nothing that isn't mirrored in some way in lots of media centre type apps

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iamlindoro:

Umm... Thanks for using that instead of a full desktop, I guess?

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gbee:

I had to double check for a minute, since I did some contract work at the start of the year but it wasn't what you see there

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

it's interesting they adopted blu-ray support

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iamlindoro:

jams, Which pretty much eliminates the chances that they were using myth OR mplayer as the player

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jams:

yep

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iamlindoro:

both of which are very VERY recently capable of playing back the HD audio formats, but with a level of user intervention that you could never possibly sell to people

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bbeattie:

they never got blu-ray working, and the development sunk the company

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bbeattie:

they went for hd-dvd actually,

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bbeattie:

they were using mplayer

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bbeattie:

I almost bought a system,

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gbee:

I can see why someone might draw parallels between Xperinet and mythui since their ~4 screenshots seem to match what was shown in that article – curved menu (although theirs cheats with images), image grid with info of selected image overlaying it's neighbour, coverart with shadow behind

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bbeattie:

all the settings for the system, onscreen keyboard, and video ripper were identical myths,

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gbee:

actually I'm wrong, one of those curved menu images is definately curved, rather than just using image to give the appearance of being curved

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gbee:

bbeattie: how long ago was this?

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jams:

wow it's on -users back in 2005

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iamlindoro:

Looks like last September

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jams:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mirv;#134472

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iamlindoro:

At least, that's their announcement of using Bluray

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bbeattie:

gbee xperinet was around for a few years, they went under 6 months or so ago

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gbee:

hmm, was definately wasn't using mythui for all that then, much of those capabilities were only added this year

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gbee:

spooky

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iamlindoro:

You can just feel the mismanagement oozing off this thing

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jams:

2004 even

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gbee:

goes to show that no idea is really original

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bbeattie:

http://www.shadowmite.com/blog/index.php/?p=144 A response by "Bob" says he has it and that it's "a custom mythtv solution"

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jams:

Xperinetâs âmajor developmentâ was in fact a two-pronged attack on high-definition distributed content. Firstly, the company had difficulty integrating Blu-ray into their Linux-based systems, in the end moving to a Windows platform merely to take advantage of the OSâ native support for the next-gen format.

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jams:

that would explain how they supported blu-ray

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iamlindoro:

sounds like they dumped myth outright in the end (which is wise)

[17:54:43]

iamlindoro:

as it was wrong for what they were trying to do.

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bbeattie:

wrong in a business idea or wrong to use myth and only because they didn't release the changed code?

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jams:

well anyway I think we have established that the new-ui is not using code from xperinet

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bbeattie:

they could sell systems using myth, they just have to give code back (several companies sell systems with myth)

[17:56:48]

bbeattie:

Their gui was different, when you selected things it opened up another curved menu to the side, not a whole new screen which was kind of cool.

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gbee:

GPL doesn't even require that code changes are actively submitted back, just that the code is made available – if you use GPL code but no-one notices that it came from Myth then that code might never work it's way back into the project

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Picked up an HVR-1800 at Micro Center for $89 – that should "Play nice" with my PVR-500 and HD-HomeRun, right? (FC8 2.6.24.7–92.fc8)

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gbee:

which always seemed like a flaw in the GPL to me, a simple requirement that patches are submitted (even if rejected) would have been more productive

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Play nice on the digital side, analog side won't work in Myth

[18:08:35]

iamlindoro:

and in terms of wrong, I mean "wrong tool for the job," btw

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Doesn't it have a seperate analog tuner and mpeg encoder like a 150?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Yes, it has an MPEG-2 encoder. But not an IVTV encoder, and Myth requires that the MPEG-2 cads be ivtv.

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r3dh2t:

coder like a 150?

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r3dh2t:

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Oh, didn't realize that. Humm... maybe I'll just return it then...

[18:09:57]

r3dh2t:

sorry

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r3dh2t:

clicked the wrong button, lol

[18:10:20]

iamlindoro:

yes, similar to a 150 in that they both have MPEG-2 encoders. Dissimilar in that a PVR-150 will work with myth.

[18:10:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I wanted to add a 3rd HD and SD input with one card... and it was on sale.

[18:10:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Well, at least I found out before I opened it! ;-)

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r3dh2t:

iamlindoro, if i have a cable stb and digital tv.. but no way to get OTA hd, are the hauppauge x50 cards the my best solution?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Only option for that is the HVR-1600. Driver a bit buggy but will work.

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iamlindoro:

r3dh2t, Depends entirely on what you intend to do. You could get a HVR-1600 and capture what digital channels your cable co leaves unencrypted as well as the analog outputs of your STB.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Oh, for some reason I thought the 1600 was single-tuner, but both ntsc and digiital support (kinda like an HD-5500)

[18:12:14]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, nope, can use both at once.

[18:12:34]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I also used to think that, mkrufky set me straight on that one

[18:13:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... it was $10 cheaper... I'll return the 1800 and pick up a 1600 in that case. ;-)

[18:13:33]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Check out the myth wiki page on it when you do, it goes through most of the gotchas and workarounds for any bugs you run into

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r3dh2t:

i'm assuming the digital channels provide clearer picture? Do cable companies usually leave digital channels unencrypted?

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J-e-f-f-A:

r3dh2t: Of course digital is clearer... And most cable companies encrypt the digital signals in the US.

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iamlindoro:

Digital channels are clearer and the network channels (CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC) are usually in HD. Most cable companies only leave those four channels and local and religious programming unencrypted.

[18:15:14]

iamlindoro:

So you're likely only to get the "big four (plus maybe the CW)" and community college channels.

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r3dh2t:

it looks like they do it in canada as well

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iamlindoro:

Canada is much worse

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iamlindoro:

Often encrypted across the board.

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r3dh2t:

damn canada. lol

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iamlindoro:

If *that* is the case, then yes, the PVR-150 is a decent choice for now, and once .22 comes out you could think about a Hauppauge HD-PVR to capture Hd from your STB.

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r3dh2t:

can't wait for .22, hdpvr looks awesome

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r3dh2t:

do we have any rough idea on the timeline for .22 (a few months? a year? more?)

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GreyFoxx:

r3d: Unless you happen to live in Nova Scotia

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r3dh2t:

sadly i do not, i'm in ontario

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GreyFoxx:

Then you have tons of clear QAM and ALL channels you subscribe to available via firewire

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** J-e-f-f-A considers moving to NS... after all, it's only a few hundred miles away from him in MA... ;-) **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

I almost went to NS on my honemoon, but couldn't bring myself to get up at like 5am to take the Cat from Bar Harbor Maine to N.S.

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r3dh2t:

Random sidequestion: What recording rule do you guys use for primetime tv shows like Heroes or prison break? I tried using the "Record this at any time or any channel", but then i get alot of reruns. I also tried putting the specific time slot and channel, but i got burned when they switched timeslots

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r3dh2t:

any advice would be greatly appreciated :)

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kormoc_:

r3dh2t, always record this on any channel + only record new episodes

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GreyFoxx:

I use at anytime on this channel

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iamlindoro:

Record at any time on channel $whateverchannel, with the filter set to exclude repeats and generic

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r3dh2t:

ahh i didn't realize there was a filter to do that

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r3dh2t:

thanks!

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r3dh2t:

dumb mistake on my part

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: The only down side to the 1600 is that it's PCI instead of PCIe... that's why I was interested in the 1800...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, yep, but the only option with your specifications (One analog hardware encoder plus one digital, both working in myth)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I understand. Thanks for clearing that up. At least i can return it for full credit as I haven't opened it up yet. ;-)

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shadash:

get .22 out the door

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iamlindoro:

It will be a while yet.

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iamlindoro:

Otherwise you'd never hear the end of the bitching about "remember how broken .22 was?"

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shadash:

;-)

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shadash:

yea I know new nvidia drivers, hdpvr, newui

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r3dh2t:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: You can have it now... but it's called "trunk" now... ;-) (and not done!)

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** jams is purely guessing that March will be the release timeframe. **

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shadash:

naw I've played that game before

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shadash:

:-(

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shadash:

how about a .22 prerelease before march

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: yeah, me too. I only did it on my backend, and once my frontends got out of sync (one was an x-box), I decided it was time to go back to a release... ie: 0.21 when it was released... now I'm back to 3 frontends... building HD ones now.

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jams:

hi stoffel_

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iamlindoro:

How would that be any different than an actual release? Trunk is prerelease. Releases are releases.

[18:32:00]

shadash:

kinda

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iamlindoro:

"realluh"

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GreyFoxx:

functionally no there is not

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: rotfl!

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shadash:

something rhe rpm/deb packargers can stick with

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GreyFoxx:

I guess I don't think in terms of prebuilt packages

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GreyFoxx:

so I guess that might be different

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shadash:

currently the rpm packagers follow SVN

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shadash:

makes things ugly

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dustybin:

will there ever be a 64-bit version of mythtv?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- feeling better today?

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: I thought they followed the -fixes branch svn, not trunk...

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iamlindoro:

I don't believe for a second that there aren't -fixes RPMs

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GreyFoxx:

jams: well enough to come to work, though they've been telling me I can go home anytime I want :)

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Aside from the one you can compile on any 64 bit arch right now?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I'm running the 64-bit version now... 0.21-fixes compiled from source...

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dustybin:

hell i didnt know that

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jams:

GreyFoxx- glad to hear it.

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shadash:

sorry prob fixes rather then svn

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GreyFoxx:

thanks :)

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jams:

ah well back to paperwork

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shadash:

I'm just so tempted to to grab trunk

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shadash:

must resist temtation

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jams:

They recently changed the system at work. Before I could simply cut/paste the quote into the ordering system. Now it involves cut/paste and a whole bunch of accounting terms and grouping

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: -fixes is the sable version... trunk is the latest & greatest. But currently goingt through alot of changes...

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shadash:

thank

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shadash:

you

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: So build a test backend and throw trunk on it...

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shadash:

J-e-f-f-A: trust me I want to. But I also want something that is stable so the wife doesn't bitch at me everytime I have to play with things to get them to work

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J-e-f-f-A:

shadash: So build a test system out of scraps... it doesn't have to be fast, just to try out SVN... (don't mess with your working system! ;-) )

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shadash:

well if anything I'd create a Xen vm and throw it on there

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GreyFoxx:

just don't point the test one at your real database

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GreyFoxx:

cause it will update the database

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, is it easy to create a test backend, then swap it to being a slave backend? Or is that even possible?

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gbee:

I was hoping for a November release for 0.22, but here we are already ...

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gbee:

I'd hope that it's not as late as March, but who knows, it's not as though we can simply project man-hours remaining since there are no 9–5 full time employees

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shadash:

gbee: I completely understand

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shadash:

the nvidia driver updates were unexpected

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wagnerrp:

seems its toys all around today

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wagnerrp:

video card was scheduled to ship in tomorrow, came today

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wagnerrp:

cameras were scheduled for friday, came today

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GreyFoxx:

shasa: the nvidia driver was a very nice Xmas present for many of us :)

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XLV:

isnt there some virtualization tool that exposes all devices/cards plugged in? that would be ideal for mythtv testing

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XLV:

perhaps http://linux-vserver.org

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jarle:

in the frontend (mythvideo) I see the cover of the movies, however the video part of mythweb says "Missing Cover" ??

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kkuno:

-.-?

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xris:

jarle: does mythweb have access to the cover art directory? by default I think they go into your homedir, not a globally-accessible location

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jarle:

even if mythweb/data/video_covers is pointing to the correct path...

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kkuno:

http://pics.nase-bohren.de/pumpkin-puke.jpg

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jarle:

xris: I have checked paths and permissions as far as I can understand..

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kkuno:

http://pics.nase-bohren.de/michaeljfox22.jpg

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xris:

jarle: mythweb run on the same host as your frontend?

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clever:

ive allready gone over every image on that site :P

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jarle:

xris: yes

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kkuno:

me too :D

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xris:

jarle: weird

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jarle:

xris: I have it working on several frontends, just not in mythweb

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xris:

kkuno: I prefer my own pumpkin shot: http://gallery.vanir-lag.org/main.php/v/2008/ . . . 461.jpg.html

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kkuno:

lool

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jarle:

xris: will mythweb let you download cover from imdb?

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clever:

done giving my mysql a major speed boost:)

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clever:

i used lvm to remove 2gig from the mysql data dir fs, then created a private 2gig fs for mythconverg

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clever:

with only 12% used by mythconverg, it should fragment alot less

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clever:

(the rest is totaly free)

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clever:

kkuno: looks like they added alot more since i last went there

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wagnerrp:

oof... ran out of memory compiling mythtv

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clever:

wagnerrp: i allways have swap on

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gbee:

jarle: you can't have heard the news, imdb posters are history, they've fixed it so that we get the most low quality rubbish available

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wagnerrp:

well they were on the way out anyway

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gbee:

aye

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jarle:

gbee: actually I did get that info

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gbee:

heh ok, didn't think anyone would be interested in imdb posters following that :)

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jarle:

strange.... mythweb gives me the correct path for the directory part of the cover in the html (<img src="data/video_covers/"), but the file part is missing. videos that has not got any cover does not have a src= at all, so it seems like mythweb can figure out that there IS a cover for the movie...

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jarle:

gbee: just trying out the video part of mythweb, can add covers manually once I have it working 100%

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** jarle is looking through mythweb php-code **

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jarle:

xris: you have any idea what can produce such a missing image link?

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kormoc_:

jarle, it's all housed in the video class file

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bbeattie:

Is the new gui in the mythtv-vid branch? I built it but it looks the same. Does it require manually loading of a new theme, or something else changed in the DB to see it?

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wagnerrp:

the 'new gui' isnt a new gui at all

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jarle:

kormoc: so modules/video/handler.php is not the place to look?

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GreyFoxx:

bbea: What part of the UI changes are you specifically looking for ?

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wagnerrp:

its just one demo theme showing off some of the abilities of the new mythui

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kormoc_:

jarle, right, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . es/Video.php

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bbeattie:

I wanted to see it's potential, play with animations and stuff...

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kormoc_:

the vid branch isn't related to mythui I thought

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bbeattie:

is the theme in the article available?

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bbeattie:

I saw a bunch of commits to the mythtv-vid branch refering to changes in the libmythui, maybe I assumed the wrong branch.

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kormoc_:

likely merges in from trunk I would imagine

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GreyFoxx:

the -vid branch is periodically synced to trunk but it's usually several revisions behind

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GreyFoxx:

all mythui changes are happennning in trunk

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GreyFoxx:

If from that article you mean the new Watch recordings screen, not. It's not commited code

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bbeattie:

is the theme from the article available? I didn't see it in the themes dir

[20:04:18]

bbeattie:

ah, k

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bbeattie:

yeah, recordings, the menu animations, etc.

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/newwatchrecordings3.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

That for example is not code that has been commited

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GreyFoxx:

But it's fairly close I believe

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bbeattie:

cool. I know for menu animation you just specified multiple images and the wait between each frame, is the new menu animation better now?

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GreyFoxx:

at this point still flippbook

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GreyFoxx:

including that spinning circle in the one I just posted :)

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jarle:

kormoc: "VideoArtworkDir:" in the settings is the path that mythweb/data/video_covers should be pointing to?

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kormoc_:

aye

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maggie:

Hi

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maggie:

Can anyone please tell me how trick play works in MythTV?

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jarle:

kormoc: if I understand the code correctly "VideoArtworkDir" is just the name of the directory *inside* data/video_covers ??

[20:11:43]

kormoc_:

no, it's the name of the directory data/video_covers is symlinked to

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jarle:

kormoc: I have /var/www/mythweb/data/video_covers -> /mnt/video/cover/, so VideoArtworkDir should then be /mnt/video/cover?

[20:12:23]

maggie:

I unserstand myth uses its own prop protocol, and streams chunks of file to front end

[20:12:51]

maggie:

But how does fast play work in that case?

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kormoc_:

jarle, aye

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GreyFoxx:

maggie: it streams faster ? :)

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GreyFoxx:

the Frontend requests the data when it wants it

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maggie:

:)

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jarle:

kormoc: just trying to figure out if I have misunderstood the settings somewhere..

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GreyFoxx:

So when you play faster it just makes requests for frequently

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GreyFoxx:

err more frequently

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maggie:

Greyfox: Thanks, Im curious to know how it manipultates with different frames?

[20:15:14]

maggie:

I, P, B

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean? At the protocol level the frontend just requests XXXXX amount of bytes of data from the original file, the frontend decodes that into the various frames for display

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maggie:

Greyfox: Say if the file size is 100mb, and i want to play it in 10x fast play, does it need to bring in the whole data to do it?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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maggie:

or does the front end just requests for random chunks of data based on a rough calculation and not the whole file?

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GreyFoxx:

maggie: That's right

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maggie:

Greyfoxx: Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

we want to seek to X time and use the libavcodec libraries to figure out where that should be

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jams:

i always find that interesting that some people leave so quickly after getting an answer

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jarle:

kormoc: and the "Edit settings for:" in the settings for the video part of mythweb is the machine actually running the web-client?

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kormoc_:

jarle, no, the frontend/webserver

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jarle:

kormoc_: oki... guess that might be my problem....

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jarle:

kormoc: THAT was the problem.... edited settings for the wrong hos :)

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jarle:

kormoc: wrong host...

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jarle:

kormoc: shouldn't the IMDB button also get the category from imdb?

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kormoc_:

jarle, if the script gives it to us, we should be able to use it, but the imdb script always seems to hae a bug or two

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jarle:

kormoc: and I notice that imdb often uses several "genres" for a movie, so guess that won't fit...

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kormoc_:

genre's are stored separately anyway

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jarle:

kormoc: ahh.. I see.... I notice that the IMDB "button" often wil give you a list of several identical links for some reason?

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trumee:

guys, is there any thought of a mythfrontend on a smartphone? QT is available on Symbian S60 platform. Is a port at all possible?

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GreyFoxx:

a port? Not a chance

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe a customized mini app sure

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GreyFoxx:

but no chance you are gonna port and run myth on a smartphone

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GreyFoxx:

at least not at this stage of the game :)

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, that will be really cool. smartphones are preety good on hardware these days.

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bomama:

lol

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, a mini frontend that can let you play livetv and play recordings.

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GreyFoxx:

You'd not really have enough oomph for playback without access to the dedicated video hardware which means needing docs on using it

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bomama:

trumee: I dont know what you're smoking

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trumee:

bomama, it is a thought :)

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bomama:

trumee: you must be smoking some good stuff

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trumee:

GreyFoxx,bomama: i can watch transcoded videos from myth, xvid, divx on my S60 phone. only thing i am missing is livetv.

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bomama:

trumee: why would you want to?

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GreyFoxx:

transcoded to fit the capabilities of your phones video hardware

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GreyFoxx:

myth would need to transcode to the same, and also be able to use the dedicated video hardware

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trumee:

bomama, i will have a tv in my pocket then

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bomama:

trumee: I dont see what a tv in your pocket buys yous

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bomama:

you*

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, yes i guess. but S60 is pretty good at playing videos.

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stuarta:

well that didn't work so well

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stuarta:

ati driver install

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gbee:

doh

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stuarta:

was like it was going out of monitor sync range

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iamlindoro:

Yay, the users list has degenerated into a series of personal attacks.

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abqjp:

You started it!

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abqjp:

Didn't you? :-p

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iamlindoro:

Nawwww

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iamlindoro:

But it's gotten snarky since... erm... well, since noon, actually.

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iamlindoro:

Odd to walk away for a few hours and come back to Thunderdome

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wagnerrp:

but... with less Tina Turner

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iamlindoro:

I think I liked it better when it was 40 pages of dmesg output

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iamlindoro:

Now it's just snark and piracy requests (and poor understanding of copyright law)

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I definitely dont subscribe to the user list for a reason

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RyeBrye:

I lurk on the dev list to keep updated on the important stuff, but I don't have enough time to sift through the users list

[22:22:20]

RyeBrye:

maybe start a new list, called users-not-dumbasses?

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abqjp:

I am considering putting my blu-ray drive in an external enclosure, so I can use it on different computers. Unfortunately, it is proving difficult to find a reasonably priced external enclosure which doesn't have lost have bad reviews.

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RyeBrye:

abqjp – what kind of enclosure are you looking for?

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Bought the cheapest I could find on Newegg a week or two ago, working great :)

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RyeBrye:

abqjp is it a SATA? Just get a simple esata enclosure and what could possibly be wrong with it?

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abqjp:

One that will hold a optical drive. In other words, 5.25"

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abqjp:

esata

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iamlindoro:

aahh, mine is IDE, so can't help

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RyeBrye:

I've never had a problem with enclosures, and I can't see how an eSata enclosure can really do that much except for give you a place to plug power in

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abqjp:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . post12795014 <-- could not get esata to work.

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RyeBrye:

it's not like it has to convert any electrical signals

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: do you just use USB with it?

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, yeah

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wagnerrp:

abqjp: i dare imagine that a lot of the trouble you find people having online with eSATA is due to lack of proper AHCI support

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abqjp:

Could be. All of my internal drives are SATA, but I have little experience with eSATA.

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wagnerrp:

eSATA doesnt *need* AHCI, but hotswappability does

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iamlindoro:

Apparently the newest version of BD+ is giving Slysoft Hell on Wheels

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: L(

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iamlindoro:

They're predicting a month to turn around a fix for the disks released since last week

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abqjp:

Firefly?

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JEDIDIAH__:

sometimes it's good to be addicted to old TV shows.

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iamlindoro:

Including firefly

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Dibblah:

Uhm... What?

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Dibblah:

AHCI is just a host interface.

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wagnerrp:

did the BD+ VM get modified?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yes, we're on about the fifth or six generation (I've lost count)

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: yes it is, and XP has no support for it

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Dibblah:

It's a hardware standard that SATA interface manufacturers agreed on. Means one driver does all.

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Dibblah:

Has no relationship to hotswap, power management, port multiplier support, ...

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wagnerrp:

i would presume most linux distros have it built into their kernel, but i dont know

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Dibblah:

Apart from most implementations support all of the above.

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wagnerrp:

to get hotswap working (on windows at least), you need AHCI drivers

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Dibblah:

But so do many standalone non-AHCI cards.

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Dibblah:

sii3132, etc...

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Dibblah:

Which does proper hotswap.

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, windows xp does not support the ability to rescan the SATA bus

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wagnerrp:

you need a 3rd party driver to allow that (which so happens to include AHCI support)

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Dibblah:

That's an XP problem, not a AHCI / not AHCI problem ;)

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface

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Dibblah:

http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html

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Dibblah:

describes pretty well what the hardware is capable of.

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iamlindoro:

SWEET JESUS

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iamlindoro:

Neuros wants $300 for a box whose only capability is playing internet video?

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Dibblah:

Yes, but it plays ALL internet video.

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RyeBrye:

That's funny

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RyeBrye:

How much is the AppleTV?

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RyeBrye:

Hacking that and puting Boxee on it you can play back internet video also

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RyeBrye:

Plus, you can have the option of paying too much money for DRM-locked-down low-bitrate movies

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Dibblah:

Including the Flash Dwarf Porn that is so popular these days.

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** RyeBrye can't wait for the Android flash player to be released so he can view flash dwarf porn while he's on public transportation **

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iamlindoro:

They point to apple 1080p trailers as the upper end of what it is capable of, that doesn't bode well

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iamlindoro:

ATV is $229 I think

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RyeBrye:

I'd get an ATV and hack it – it'd be far better than that $300 neurotic thing

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iamlindoro:

With second hand and hand me down parts + a mature VDPAU, playback of blu-ray complexity stuff ought to be possible for less still.

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iamlindoro:

I'm throwing together a fun little almost-silent frontend to be my VDPAU play machine for $200 this weekend

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iamlindoro:

But that's not a fair number since I have a space processor

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iamlindoro:

s/space/spare/

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JEDIDIAH__:

ATV isn't going to be good for VDPAU though... since it's only a 7x00

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JEDIDIAH__:

shame too...

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iamlindoro:

Here we are: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=11404088

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iamlindoro:

$17 less than ATV. Not as pretty, but a heck of a lot more capable.

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abqjp:

I think I need to figure out how to use irexec to pkill mythfrontend.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythtv kill switch? a little googling should find you plenty of suitable examples.

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JEDIDIAH__:

you will have to tell us how it goes with the ATV's ugly big sister... ial

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iamlindoro:

Bah, I bought nice stuff, that was just a quest to make something less than ATV that could use all the VDPAU formats

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JEDIDIAH__:

An ATV almost manages 720p h264 from the 1212.

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iamlindoro:

s/1212/HD-PVR/

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JEDIDIAH__:

...using the defaults in mythtv-setup

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JEDIDIAH__:

HD-PVR is a sort of terribly generic name.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...although I don't think anyone around here would get the wrong idea.

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

anyone ever used an xbox 360 as a upnp frontend?

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SpaceBass:

mine sees my myth box but not the recordings or live stream

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iamlindoro:

Heh, "Most notable was the demo by Synopsys, which prototyped an HDTV video transmission system based on USB 3.0 and showed to wide-mouthed onlookers that an uncompressed 1080p feed at 30 frames-per-second could be whisked along at around 450Mbps."

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iamlindoro:

Umm... no.

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iamlindoro:

SpaceBass, Yes, many of us, works fine

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iamlindoro:

Nor would it

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SpaceBass:

iamlindoro is it just photos and music then?

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iamlindoro:

can't do live TV over upnp, and the xbox 360 won't play MPEG-2 video

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iamlindoro:

So it's a pretty poor upnp box

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SpaceBass:

Plex for OSX, based on XBMC does live TV over UPNP very very well

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SpaceBass:

but if the xbox won't do it, then doesnt fit the bill for me...good to know, thanks

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iamlindoro:

And Videos when in a format it agrees with

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iamlindoro:

No, it does NOT do live TV from myth over upnp

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iamlindoro:

Myth WILL NOT DO liveTV via it's upnp server.

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SpaceBass:

odd – seems to be working with plex... not sure what thats about

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iamlindoro:

Now the XBMC folks have hacked themselves together a halfassed myth interface, but it ain't uPnP

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SpaceBass:

ah

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SpaceBass:

assumed it was

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iamlindoro:

It's. Not. uPnp.

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SpaceBass:

o

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SpaceBass:

k

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SpaceBass:

im personally looking forward to the boxee team integrating the xbmc code, however they have done it

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iamlindoro:

There's nothing to integrate, it's an XBMC fork.

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davez0r:

any of you used mvpmc?

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davez0r:

http://www.mvpmc.org/

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SpaceBass:

iamlindoro yeah but its not part of their current release...planned for future

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iamlindoro:

Thankfully I don't care in the least what my friends watch, nor do I can for them to see my voluminous collection of dwarf porn, so I'll avoid Boxee/Myspace-for-video

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SpaceBass:

suppose thats one take on its functionality ... personally have not used the social aspect much if at all

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JEDIDIAH__:

If my friends know about my DVD collection they will just come over and borrow it.

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davez0r:

Space, did boxee send you source to compile or did you get it elsewhere?

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SpaceBass:

davez0r, pre compiled binaries currently ... although source is available ... got invites if you are interested

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davez0r:

invite me plz

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squish102:

does mythtv do something like slingbox for recordings? actually is there any way to stream to a wm6.1 phone?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb has flash based streaming

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wagnerrp:

and there is the upnp server for local streaming

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squish102:

i wonder how well that flash works on a slow phone internet connection

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

crazy bastard

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wagnerrp:

why would you try to stream video over dial-up

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iamlindoro:

Get yourself an iPod Touch or iPhone and then sit tight.

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squish102:

well phone is evdo

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iamlindoro:

change she is a'comin'

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wagnerrp:

phone is dialup, evdo is evdo

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squish102:

will it work with a wm6 device?

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wagnerrp:

it just transcodes to an flv file

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wagnerrp:

if wm6 can play flash7 or better, it should work

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** iamlindoro has his money on forthcoming streaming capabilities being the way to go **

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squish102:

ok let me try, so do i just go to mythweb and slect the flash stream somewhere?

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** davez0r has no need to carry entertainment in his pocket **

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wagnerrp:

go into mythweb, recordings, click on one

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wagnerrp:

there will be a flash player on the right side

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iamlindoro:

assuming you've turned on streaming and read the bright red disclaimer

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squish102:

ok cool /me tries it out

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wagnerrp:

if you hit play, it will automagically start transcoding and streaming through ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

and have a working ffmpeg build w/ the right options insatlled on your backend

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wagnerrp:

(yes, assuming you bypassed the disclaimer saying 'youre on your own')

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squish102:

im running mythbuntu, so im one of those dummies

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xris:

iamlindoro: the disclaimer covers the ffmpeg bit, I think

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iamlindoro:

xris, Yeah, I guess that's true

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xris:

omg, chut joined the -users channel..

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gbee:

if the social aspect of boxee isn't why you want to use it, then what's the appeal?

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squish102:

ok i only have 'download' and 'asx stream'

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wagnerrp:

and then there should be a box with a paused flash player

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kormoc_:

squish102, so enable the flash streaming and the thumbnail becomes the player

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gbee:

just realised what's wrong with the mythui ported MythCenter-wide – menu fonts are too small

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squish102:

ok thanks kormoc_

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kavorka:

does anyone know if there are any improved imdb lookup scripts out there apart from the default one supplied with mythvideo?

[23:44:05]

wagnerrp:

kavorka: imdb is no longer a viable data source

[23:44:19]

wagnerrp:

their TOS now prohibits bots from scraping their site

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kavorka:

wagnerrp: thats news to me

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iamlindoro:

Always has, most likely, but now they're getting clever to keep us out

[23:45:07]

iamlindoro:

clever the adjective, not the person :)

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, the last couple weeks/months, there has been talk about switching to other sources

[23:45:25]

iamlindoro:

the cringeworthy poster art is a nice touch :)

[23:45:40]

wagnerrp:

tvrage, omdb, tmdb, whatever...

[23:45:53]

jams:

way off topic, but if anybody here is considering a job where you have to interface with "oracle iprocurement" I suggest running away.

[23:46:08]

iamlindoro:

There's a very very alphaish TMDB scraper in trac now

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wagnerrp:

as of a few days ago, the imdb script was working just fine for me

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xris:

there's a wiki out there of tv show info, too... I tried to contact them a few times to see if they'd want to work with us / schedules direct / xmltv to expand their database, but never got a reply

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wagnerrp:

but apparently now, the thumbnails are complete garbage

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gbee:

tmdb seems to have provision for TV shows, but whether that's just a relict of the OMDB fork ... could ask them though

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iamlindoro:

TheTVDB is really REALLY good IME

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kavorka:

i have no problem with the source (ie imdb or whatever)...just seems to me the script is poorly written when trying to look up a title....especially when a string in the title matches it doesnt bring up a range of potential matches

[23:49:58]

kavorka:

ie if the title isnt exact then more often than not it doesnt return any results

[23:50:34]

iamlindoro:

I think GreyFoxx has something in the works to allow for different metadata scripts per directory, that should help for TV vs Movies

[23:50:52]

gbee:

not my experience, but it matters little at this point imdb is dead to us

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wagnerrp:

anyone know whats in their downloadable database?

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xris:

iamlindoro: that's the one I was thinking of...

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