Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, November 17th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

first time I've heard mplayer described that way

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iamlindoro:

"The best... way to learn how to use command line options"

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gbee:

don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking it, but I do have trouble seeing what sets it apart, what unique features it posses etc

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iamlindoro:

I think that if you need a media player with up-to-the-second support of what's in ffmpeg, or the need to eke every last bit of speed out of your machine, it has its virtues

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gbee:

I wouldn't have said that was any less true of VLC for example, though maybe it tracks ffmpeg changes more closely

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iamlindoro:

it pulls libav* in dynamically

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iamlindoro:

it's always the current revision

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gbee:

hmm, that won't break often then :)

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iamlindoro:

I have to give them credit, it's broken less often than you might think

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iamlindoro:

but is indeed sometimes broken

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whoever:

hi all, I have "xscreensaver -no-splash &" in my .xinitrc, but when i try to use myth tv my audio and video are out of sync , but if i stop xscreensaver then restart it thn mythtv runs fine . Is there a way to start xscreensaver with x and have mythv work like it should

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 2.2G 2008-11–16 20:31 media.be.log

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

looks like a bug ive reported before

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clever:

inf loop in the upnp code

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iamlindoro:

I'm sorry for the substandard service, sir. Is there anything we here at MythTV, Inc. can do to keep you on as a customer?

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clever:

after i get the network back up i'll check the details

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whoever:

clever: you talkin to me ? just checkin. im combin though the myehev wiki and tryiny to make changes to my .xinitrc

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clever:

nope

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kormoc:

whoever, clever is just a lonely person, he talks to anyone who will listen

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iamlindoro:

Turns out there's a whole world of people to talk to outside of the house

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whoever:

oh like the crazy homeless people :-)

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iamlindoro:

No crazier than some with homes

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whoever:

lol

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whoever:

restarting to check my new config fyi

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clever:

mythtv@media:~$ mythbackend

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clever:

NVIDIA OpenGL Driver requires CPUs with SSE to run.

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clever:

The current CPU does not support SSE.

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clever:

iamlindoro: this was unsexpected

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** kormoc blinks **

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sid3windr:

SSE

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sid3windr:

only in CPU's since 1998

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sid3windr:

:p

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kormoc:

Go recycle that hunk of junk...

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clever:

mythbackend doesnt use gui, theres no nvidia in that boxz

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clever:

2 reasons that error shouldnt be commign up

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iamlindoro:

All is possible in the vortex of broken that is your boxes

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kormoc:

of course, if you just got a job and bought new equipment...

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clever:

./NVIDIA-Linux-x86–180.06-pkg1.run --uninstall

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clever:

this should fix things

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kormoc:

so you lie

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clever:

kormoc: nvidia shouldnt even be touching mythabckend

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clever:

but this is my only guess

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kormoc:

you first say there's no nvidia on that box but then you uninstall it

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XLV:

you installed nvidia driver on a pc without nvidia card?

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clever:

kormoc: theres no nvidia in THAT box, but it shares / with an nvndia laptop

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kormoc:

that is a epically bad setup

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clever:

i'll reinstall it manualy in a special way now that i know it needs to be limited to a hostname

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sid3windr:

lol =)

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XLV:

and what exactly does that sharing of / helps with?

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kormoc:

a laptop that requires netbooting... why God, why?

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clever:

XLV: saves space and lets me install crap left often

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clever:

kormoc: its dads work laptop, i cant do anything to the hdd like dual booting

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kormoc:

I like installing crap right often

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XLV:

clever, install linux to a file inside windows fs of laptop

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XLV:

ufsdos or whatever they call it

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clever:

XLV: that isnt allowed either

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mzb_d800:

clever: wouldn't you be better off using a common root with aufs overlays? (rather than the linking/dir method you mentioned previously)

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mzb_d800:

that would overcome most of the issues you've mentioned in the past (I think)

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wagnerrp:

mzb_d800: not worth trying

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mzb_d800:

compared to what he's got now?

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mzb_d800:

(aufs on the server, that is)

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean trying to correct clever

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mzb_d800:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i brought up the aufs option weeks ago

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clever:

mzb_d800: yeah but its allready stable right now

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clever:

until i put in beta drivers :P

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mzb_d800:

stable?

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mzb_d800:

you mean reliable errors?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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clever:

it was relatively stable :P

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clever:

i'll need to reinstall the normal nvidia drivers later

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... apart from odd errors with mysql, strange nvidia errors .... *sigh* ;)

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clever:

mysql is pretty stable

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mzb_d800:

!= rock solid ?

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clever:

the last problem that i havent fixed, uphp hit an inf loop

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clever:

upnp*, and i added debuging prints to it

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clever:

so now its printing 6 lines out over and over

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clever:

2gig log file :P

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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clever:

let me fix the current problems 1st:P

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clever:

i hit the reset button on the master&mysqld box

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mzb_d800:

I tend to doubt the value of a tool that spends more time being fixed than used ;)

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mzb_d800:

s/tool/toy ?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I saw the post, but I decided /I/ shouldn't be the one to say anything.

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iamlindoro:

heh, myth.find_orphans.pl thinks automated DB backups at schema changes are orphans

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sphery:

geesh, how many people are going to tell me that... :)

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clever:

old news, fseen it allready

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Just joking. I could have fixed it, but would rather just move the find_orphans and rebuilddatabase functionality into the backend, so I'm refusing to touch the legacy (non-bindings) Perl scripts.

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clever:

oops forgot to repair mysql after a hard reset

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iamlindoro:

sphery, oh, okay-- was just fixing it myself, wasn't planning on anyone else doing it

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iamlindoro:

thought a patch might be worthwhile, but that makes sense

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jams:

iamlindoro- your find it's a one or two line change

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iamlindoro:

jams, yeah, one line AFAICT

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jams:

sounds about right

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jams:

it also thinks that all the previews generated by mythweb are orphans

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sphery:

jams: that should be fixed... I'm pretty sure that patch went in.

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jams:

sphery- -fixes?

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sphery:

Oh, wait. No--I didn't write a patch for it, but mentioned that someone should do as I did for the backend stuff (i.e. use a similar/same regexp)...

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

because of that my orphan check is constantly in alert status

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jams:

has not bugged me enough to do anything about it yet

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sphery:

jams: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3641#comment:4

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wagnerrp:

why doesnt google have reverse phone lookups yet... dont they know everything?

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jams:

sphery- thanks I may apply that one

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sphery:

wagnerrp: they seem to know everything... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081116

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sphery:

(Nice timing on that, BTW. Thanks for helping me quote that comic.)

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wagnerrp:

glad to help... :)

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sphery:

jams: Yeah, notice my /not/ writing a patch, but telling someone else how to do it. :)

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sphery:

Oh, and the next comment mentions the DB backups.

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jams:

sphery- perl always gives me a headache, so I avoid anything that requires more then 5 minutes of work.

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sphery:

I understand.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's only a matter of time, http://www.google.com/search?q=phonebook%3A+George+Bush

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sphery:

I can't blame you as I didn't write the patch, either. (My whole boycott and all.)

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jams:

heh

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wagnerrp:

thats what i mean, it has forwards lookup, why not reverse

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iamlindoro:

just added a "next if ($this_file =~ m/sql.gz$/);"

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iamlindoro:

seems to work fine

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wanna put in a regexp for the MythWeb previews?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, ooh, it does, http://www.google.com/search?q=phonebook%3A+(606)+886-8349

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jams:

iamlindoro- yep that looks about like the change I used.

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iamlindoro:

I can look, but I am perltarded

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just have to format it exactly the way they have

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sphery:

iamlindoro: better m/sql(.gz)?$/ (as not all may be compressed--depending on whether we have access to Perl's gzip lib or gzip prog)

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iamlindoro:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

ah, seems i was just searching for a number they dont have

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sphery:

iamlindoro: but test whether the parens need escaping--I confuse all my regexp impl's) (and is it ? for 0 or 1?)... But, also, from my comment before, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16106 line 335 is the regexp used by mythrename.pl for MythWeb previews

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iamlindoro:

sphery, tested, your suggestion works

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sphery:

thx

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and evidently you can use 'rphonebook' and 'bphonebook' to search residential or businesses only as well

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DrDigital:

by any chance, does anyone here know a good source to buy FTA equipment in the USA? Like a website?

[05:01:34]

wagnerrp:

FTA equipment? meaning broadcast or satellite?

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DrDigital:

satellite dish's and recievers

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DrDigital:

i want to do two boxes for two hdtvs and with the same order i want to be able to get 1 for another entire different place

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wagnerrp:

have you used US FTA before? the available channels are relatively limited

[05:05:06]

DrDigital:

more then an arial antenna isnt it?

[05:05:34]

wagnerrp:

you get extra things like shopping, religious, and nasa tv

[05:06:11]

DrDigital:

im trying to help my uncle, hes religious and retired so he has a fixed income, im trying to help him out with the digital switch over

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jafa:

US OTA channels (and ClearQAM channels): http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

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DrDigital:

he got all new lcd tvs on his own and im trying to get him the best setup without him having to spend a monthly

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jafa:

around here we get 43 OTA channels

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jafa:

(incl sub channels)

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DrDigital:

that site doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

yeah, your best bet is an ATSC tuner and a nice antenna

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DrDigital:

invalid location format when i select the united states

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jafa:

checking... (our site)

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wagnerrp:

you have to enter a zip code

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wagnerrp:

there is a box in between the country and search button

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DrDigital:

i believe his tvs already have a tuner?

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wagnerrp:

antennaweb.org is probably a better resource for ATSC

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wagnerrp:

it gives you distances, directions, and recommended antenna

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DrDigital:

i went to radio shack hoping for a laught, they had this antenna for $99 that does 190 miles it said

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DrDigital:

and for $79 they had the rotator motor

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jafa:

wow – 190miles isn't even trying to be a plausable lie :-)

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to get 190 miles unless you live on a mountain overlooking kansas

[05:13:11]

wagnerrp:

and even then, you need some sort of parabolic array

[05:13:41]

wagnerrp:

well, parabolic dish, or phased array

[05:14:23]

g0rAngA:

mythtv's internal player skips blank frames. how can I stop it from doing this?

[05:14:37]

wagnerrp:

disable automatic commercial skipping

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wagnerrp:

the comm flagger recognizes the black frames as the beginning or end of a commercial

[05:15:28]

wagnerrp:

and you set the option of automatically skipping past them, rather than the default of notifying you

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g0rAngA:

I understand that, but I have disabled the skipping of blank frames by the commflagger. furthermore, blank frames are skipped even if there is no comms flagged.

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wagnerrp:

black? or blank?

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g0rAngA:

it happens in xvid encoded avis, as well as dvd's.

[05:17:43]

g0rAngA:

black, I guess

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wagnerrp:

the commflagger is never run on items in mythvideo (avis and dvds)

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wagnerrp:

so its something else

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sphery:

g0rAngA: There's still no way to make Myth's Internal player do that (just like there wasn't on Oct 27). Something is messed up if that's happening, so it's not just a setting you can flip.

[05:19:41]

g0rAngA:

wow, you remembered!

[05:20:00]

sphery:

did you ever check to make sure you had no cutlist in place?

[05:20:48]

g0rAngA:

yes. no cutlist. and I've just noticed it doing it with dvd's played from the disc

[05:20:51]

sphery:

Oh, wait, you were talking about MythVideo videos, right.

[05:21:56]

g0rAngA:

so now I'm guessing its something to do with the Internal player, which I use for both MythVideo and MythDVD

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sphery:

Last time (re-reading logs), you were told to play them back when the frontend is started with -v playback (I'd do -v important,general,playback ). Did that show any issues? I.e. video 5 frames behind audio, skipping frames... or whatever.

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g0rAngA:

yes, actually...its showing a whole heap

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sphery:

Then I'd guess that you have audio configuration issues that prevent it from playing properly.

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sphery:

Are you using digital audio output?

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g0rAngA:

standard headphone jack, if that's what you mean

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sphery:

(Oh, and once you get the audio issues figured out, you'll really want to disable "Use video as timebase"--which you enabled last time--since it's really a hack that's generally broken.)

[05:28:26]

sphery:

and what audio output device is specified in Myth? ALSA:default or /dev/dsp or ...

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i hate writing after-interview emails

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wagnerrp:

ive never been good at typing bullshit

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g0rAngA:

sphery: Audio output device: ALSA:default

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wagnerrp:

i can talk at length, but if its written or typed, its always brief

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sphery:

g0rAngA: and do you have any ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf files?

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g0rAngA:

yes, a .asoundrc

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sphery:

try moving the .asoundrc so it's not used (i.e. mv ~/.asoundrc ~/oldasoundrc ) and then restart the frontend and test

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sphery:

If that doesn't help, I don't know what to try next, but I have to get going--have a flight tomorrow morning and need to get some sleep before going.

[05:34:38]

g0rAngA:

well, have fun with that. you've been quite a help

[05:34:51]

sphery:

But, it's almost definitely an audio issue.

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sphery:

good luck

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leprechau:

Sorabella, in mythweb.. in the settings section on mythvideo the drop down for 'edit settings for' .... what's the proper way to clean that up

[05:42:49]

leprechau:

err...

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leprechau:

damn nick complete

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leprechau:

i just need to know what's the proper way to expunge hosts that no longer exist from that list

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leprechau:

and make sure they are fully cleaned from the database

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g0rAngA:

sphery: if you're still there, it didn't work. nor did changing the output device to /dev/dsp. knowing that its an audio thing will help, I'm sure. I'll report back here when I have a fix, on the off chance anyone else comes across the issue.

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wagnerrp:

oh fun! people on the users list with bad email clients

[06:05:11]

wagnerrp:

theyre sending email from the future!

[06:12:15]

kormoc:

bad email clients or just a lack of knowledge of ntp?

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wagnerrp:

could go either way

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wagnerrp:

it was some microsoft client

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DrDigital:

so whats a good website that i could buy an antenna for this http://www.joomlamafia.com/AntennaWeb.pdf

[06:53:14]

DrDigital:

radio shack had that one for $99 and another for $59 and the rotor for $79

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cesman:

seems most of your channels aren't that far away

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s34n:

is anybod willing to help me troubleshoot a hauppauge 150?

[06:55:07]

cesman:

you certainly don't need a $99 antenna

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DrDigital:

id just like to do a good job, and make sure stuff comes in clear for him

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DrDigital:

hes in a senior citizen park... chances are everyone will want me to redo their systems after i do his

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DrDigital:

and i hate radio shack, id rather give some online company business, maybe some small guy

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cesman:

any major obstructions in the way?

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DrDigital:

just some old trees

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DrDigital:

nothing tall

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cesman:

I'd try regular rabbit ears first...

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cesman:

certainly nothing more than $20.00, it it fails, return it

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cesman:

s34n: state what you problem is, if someone can help perhaps they will chime in

[06:59:20]

s34n:

the feed is very erratic

[06:59:27]

s34n:

it was all static

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s34n:

then it was choppy with mostly static

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s34n:

then it was mostly smooth

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s34n:

then it was all static

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cesman:

is your cable good?

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s34n:

cable looks good

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cesman:

what cable standard are you using cable, cable-hrc, etc?

[07:00:30]

cesman:

cable as in the phyiscal cable

[07:00:45]

cesman:

are you certain you are getting a good signal?

[07:00:59]

cesman:

in other words, take the 150 out of the picture

[07:02:09]

s34n:

It's just a generic GR59 coax

[07:02:28]

s34n:

I know that's not spectacular, but it works fine connected to the TV

[07:04:16]

s34n:

I just switched to an RCA cable to see if that would make a difference, but I get no signal through it

[07:04:36]

s34n:

I'm sure I just haven't got the card configured correctly

[07:06:58]

cesman:

if you get a good signal with you TV, then the cable is good

[07:08:11]

DrDigital:

hes got rabbit ears, one tv works a bit better then the other

[07:08:17]

DrDigital:

but its a mobile home, metal siding

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DrDigital:

i can never understand him when hes come and calls me on his cell

[07:08:40]

DrDigital:

he goes outside and i understand him

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s34n:

cating /dev/video0 to a file never buts a bit in the file

[07:12:32]

s34n:

s/buts/puts/

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s34n:

so I've obvious misconfigured it

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s34n:

v4l2-ctl -i 2 should grab off the composite input, right?

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s34n:

the 250 only has one composite

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** cesman doesn't use v4l2-ctl often... **

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cesman:

man for help

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s34n:

cesman: no man page, but -h shows the options

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s34n:

that should work

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s34n:

and with a composite input, I shouldn't care about channel, right?

[07:19:40]

s34n:

the composite input bypasses the tuner, true?

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cesman:

how do you intend to change channels?

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s34n:

cesman: I don't

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s34n:

cesman: right now, I'm just trying to grab some footage off a VCR

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DrDigital:

i wished i could find some vcrs for sale, my son watchs vhs

[07:21:28]

DrDigital:

he screws up dvds

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DrDigital:

hes only 2

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s34n:

DrDigital: you can buy mine ;)

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DrDigital:

i keep buying used ones and they dont last

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s34n:

DrDigital: that's what mythtv is for, right?

[07:23:02]

DrDigital:

if i ever get around to setting one up

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s34n:

rip the DVDs and hand the 2 year old the remote

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DrDigital:

everytime i get ready to do something, shit hits the fan

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s34n:

DrDigital: my 2 year olds haven't been real nice to VHS cassettes, either

[07:24:42]

DrDigital:

mine is, its the cases hes not nice to

[07:25:15]

DrDigital:

i replaced all my uncles tvs with hdtv lcds today

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DrDigital:

and took all his old ones, one looks like a brand new tv, about 14" i put it up in my sons room and hooked the vcr up to it and he gives the tv a hug

[07:26:26]

** cesman needs to wind down... **

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cesman:

full day tomorrow and traveling on Tuesday

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DrDigital:

what you going to sac for

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cesman:

flying to Sac, then driving to Lake Tahoe for work work

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DrDigital:

you should check out the body shop

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cesman:

what body shop?

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DrDigital:

or Club fantasy

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DrDigital:

i place you spend your dollar bills

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DrDigital:

usually inside of g strings

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cesman:

ahhh okay

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, at lake tahoe, id rather go skiing

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wagnerrp:

although that takes a bit more time than a strip club

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DrDigital:

i wasnt talking about the lake, i was talking about sac

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wagnerrp:

oh

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DrDigital:

hes going to be sitting in sac for what, 3 days?

[07:55:25]

DrDigital:

and i could tell one of the girls that i know to hook him up

[07:55:33]

DrDigital:

and tell all the other girls hes a high roller

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bsdfox:

sacramento?

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judazz:

Hi folks, I'm using mythtv-0.21-fixes (on Fedora, from rpmfusion), and have problems with setting up input from Composite (on my PVR-500)

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judazz:

Does anyone have any experience with this, using the grabbers tv_grab_*?

[08:09:55]

DrDigital:

yes, sactown

[08:10:18]

judazz:

My problem is that I can't set the default "channel"

[08:11:57]

judazz:

I get the error (when exiting mythtv-setup): "Card 2 (type Composite) is set to start on channel Please add, which does not exist"

[08:12:53]

judazz:

sphery gave me this link (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 034#264034), but I'm not sure how to do this using the tv_grab_no_gfeed grabber...

[08:17:00]

judazz:

The tv_grab_no_gfeed has these capabilities: baseline manualconfig tkconfig apiconfig cache

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Dibblah:

judazz: Please follow all of the steps of an installation guide.

[08:33:48]

judazz:

Dibblah – erm, what guide provides info about this setup?

[08:34:52]

judazz:

It confuses me that part of the mythtv-setup requires that mythbackend is not running, while some parts requires mythbackend to run...

[08:35:37]

judazz:

Is there guide for the tv_grab_no_gfeed using composite input, please let me know :)

[08:35:41]

wagnerrp:

what part of mythtv-setup requires the backend to be running?

[08:36:03]

Dibblah:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mythtv+setup+guide

[08:37:55]

judazz:

The part with "fetch channels from listing source"

[08:38:26]

wagnerrp:

that runs just fine without a backend

[08:38:36]

wagnerrp:

at least with the listing sources ive used

[08:38:50]

judazz:

Mine is complaining about not being able to connect to the backend

[08:39:01]

judazz:

maybe tv_grab_no_gfeed does something special

[08:39:20]

judazz:

My problem is that I can't change the start channel on my composite input

[08:40:21]

judazz:

Hm, maybe this hack works http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_D . . . ds_--_Norway

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judazz:

Is it possible to import the channels in mythtv-0.21 the way describe in the link above in mythtv-0.20?

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Dibblah:

judazz: Which part of "you're not following a walkthrough guide from beginning to end" is not clear?

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judazz:

1. Which guide, 2. the grabber part, 3. the channel setup for composite input part

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Dibblah:

Well, I would personally recommend the mythtv setup guide on the mythtv web page.

[08:54:09]

judazz:

Have read it, have used it, but have not found any info about how to set up composite input using other grabbers that datadirect.

[08:57:02]

Dibblah:

"composite input" has nothing to do with the grabber you use.

[08:58:17]

judazz:

ok, if so – how do I set the "starting channel" under Input connections?

[08:58:46]

judazz:

I've heard that one is not supposed to do a channel search on composite input (and mythtv-setup crashes if I try)

[08:59:42]

judazz:

My starting channel is stuck at "Please add channels to this source" – I can't change it

[09:00:16]

judazz:

Thus, mythtv-setup is complaining when I exit, and mythfrontend can't tune to that input

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Dibblah:

judazz: No, you can't do a "scan for channels".

[09:01:41]

judazz:

Instead of scanning for channels, I guess I should press the button "fetch channels from listing source", and that seems to work, I get some output in the console, but still I can't change the

[09:01:43]

Dibblah:

You can get your channels from mythfilldatabase.

[09:02:08]

Dibblah:

Then you need to fill in information in each of them (channel number, etc)

[09:02:22]

Dibblah:

Then you need to set up your IR blaster.

[09:04:16]

judazz:

Ok, I've tried that too – "mythfilldatabase --manual" (as required by mythtv-setup), but it seems to go in an infinite loop

[09:04:37]

judazz:

I get the "error": "Data refresh needed because only 0 out of 71 channels have at least one program listed for day @ offset 13 from 8PM – midnight. Previous day had 1 channels with data in that time period."

[09:05:24]

judazz:

Hm, finally came to an end now

[09:06:38]

judazz:

So, I have run mythfilldatabase, and now re-enter mythtv-setup, but it still complains about the starting channel on my composite input

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Dibblah:

You need to set the starting channel to a valid channel.

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judazz:

Dibblah, yes, that's my problem: I can't set it

[09:31:04]

judazz:

The dropdown list is only one item: "Please add channels to this source"

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Dibblah:

judazz: You don't have any valid channels with channel numbers.

[09:56:37]

Dibblah:

You need to set channel numbers in mythtv-setup.

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judazz:

ok, I'll try right away

[09:58:25]

judazz:

Dibblah, whooha – as simple as that :)

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judazz:

Seems to work – thanks!

[09:59:12]

judazz:

What I did: Channel editor, chose the correct source, and arbitrarily set a channel number for a channel.

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judazz:

then went back to input connections

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judazz:

I actually thought this was what I did when I ran "mythfilldatabase --manual"

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firestorm:

Hi there. Wondering where I can enable UPnP for mythtv?

[11:27:14]

at0m|c:

firestorm, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP

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sphery:

It's always enabled unless you start with --noupnp

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firestorm:

sphery: so I can just have the mythbackend started and not have a frontend started, and then scan for UPNP? do I need the 239.0.0.0/8 network on the mythbackend as per hyperlink?

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firestorm:

sphery: ok got it working...only shows Recordings, Music, Videos ... no Pics ... any thoughts?

[11:32:05]

sphery:

Don't know if we have support for UPnP for MythGallery images. Make sure you start the frontend, and configure MythGallery. May also need to run the frontend for that...

[11:32:18]

GreyFoxx:

there is no photo support

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firestorm:

sphery, GreyFoxx: no probs

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firestorm:

well its cool that music works so seamlessly :)

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GreyFoxx:

what are you using as a player ?

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firestorm:

GreyFoxx: a mobile phone

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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directhex:

this new laptop is ten kinds of awesome

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cocoa117:

hi, is there anyway to use mythvideo on backend server, so all the frontend can view without configure each time?

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cocoa117:

is there anyone here using PS3 with Sony XMB OS accessing their MythTV server? I found the video folder always empty but don't know how it exit at first place

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directhex:

which version of myth?

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cocoa117:

0.22

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cocoa117:

from Ubuntu 8.04

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directhex:

0.21

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directhex:

the version in hardy or hardy-backports?

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cocoa117:

oh, yes, sorry, typing error

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cocoa117:

put it in other way, does it mean if i install the mythvideo from one of the frontend, it will add to backend database, and from there, the PS3 can access it?

[14:16:04]

gbee:

yes

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cocoa117:

gbee: thanx, that explain where it was coming from

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gbee:

for videos anyway and in 0.21 scanning is a frontend component

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psm321:

my mythbackend suddenly stopped listening on 6543 sometime last night

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psm321:

and restarting it now isnt helping

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gbee:

ear drops

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psm321:

i just checked mythtv-setup and it still says 6543

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gbee:

killall -9 mythbackend

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gbee:

check for other processes which have claimed that port

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psm321:

none

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psm321:

(netstat -nap | grep 6543)

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psm321:

no mythbackends running either

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gbee:

heh, just 4 years later Adobe have released a 64bit flash player

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psm321:

reading through strace output it doesnt look like it even tries to open 6543

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** clever trys hacking a QCache into some of the QImage areas without knowing much! **

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clever:

so far ive only caused a single segfault

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clever:

that solved the segfault nicely:)

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psm321:

so i think it was actually a nfs issue (somehow lost contact with the server and was hangingforever... never got around to opening the port or accepting connections

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psm321:

as to why it lost contact, i have no idea... a reboot (of the mythy box, not the nfs server) cleared it right up (i did have to do a messy shutdown tho since it hung on unmounting nfs)

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AndyCap:

gbee: heh, nspluginwrapper might still insulate you from the somewhat crashy flash 10. :)

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gbee:

heh

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AndyCap:

dunno how the 64-bit one is though.

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gbee:

since it's an alpha, possibly worse, thought it seems to work fine so far

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iamlindoro_:

"Rather than add pointless chrome, I'd rather they fixed the installer. 8.04 was a PITA, especially on a small screen like the one I keep just for headless installs."

[16:02:37]

iamlindoro_:

Mar har har

[16:03:01]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, if there's one thing really broken in Myth, it's the... Installer?

[16:04:22]

iamlindoro_:

Gog, slashdot really is full of ignorant pricks, isn't it?

[16:04:40]

kormoc:

wow

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iamlindoro_:

"My MythTV box had this intermittent problem where it would overheat. Finally tracked it down recently--it only happened when the program guide page was left open, and the animated content preview (showing you a thumbnail preview of the program) was running. Turned that feature off and problem went away. So there's a case where some silly eye-candy was actually causing the system to have dramatically lower reliability, as the CPU and hard drive w

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iamlindoro_:

Right. Because you putting your system together wrong is Myth's fault. Christ.

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AndyCap:

that said, the preview did suck up a lot of cpu. :)

[16:08:46]

iamlindoro_:

If playing back the video preview is enough to overheat and break your system, your problem isn't Myth ;)

[16:09:01]

AndyCap:

yeah, overheating is your own lookout

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wagnerrp:

is the downloadable mythtv release source or binary?

[16:19:15]

wagnerrp:

i cant remember, i havent touched it since 0.18

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cesman:

source

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wagnerrp:

well you do realize that everyone on slashdot is an expert, right?

[16:26:02]

wagnerrp:

if someone there cant install it, no one can

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jedi__:

...my problem with that silly video preview was that it slowed down navigation... overheating while playing video is a more fundemental problem...

[16:28:41]

jedi__:

the... installer?

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jedi__:

it sounds like a Windows user that has never used Linux in their life trying to take pot shots at Linux.

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wagnerrp:

pity my mod points expired yesterday

[16:33:09]

wagnerrp:

well at that post resulted in another very apt post explaining why animations have worth beyond eye candy

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directhex:

iamlindoro, you get used to ignorant pricks on the internet when you're a mono packager

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sulx:

hmm any idea why build says /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../include/c++/4.3.2/cstdli b:132: error: ‘::realloc’ has not been declared

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sulx:

if building as user...but if building as root it works? =)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: So, I hear Ubuntu now has the totally unwritten and unreleased Mono 3.0 ;)

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, i heard debian removed mono. it was on boycottnovell so it must be true!

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** directhex returns to svn.debian.org/pkg-mono **

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DapOrp:

can anyone help me figure out what i need to do to make mythtv display song info from audio-only DVB channels?

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DapOrp:

right now all i get is a blank screen while the channel is playing. :\

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iamlindoro_:

Knowing nothing about DVB audio channels, I'll guess the answer is "write a bunch of code to make it do it"

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DapOrp:

:\ in theory i guess someone came up with something "Killer radio" ? patch that was supposed to change it, but I get errors applying it and can't find any other info on it. :(

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iamlindoro_:

In all liklihood that patch applies to some ancient version

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janneg:

DapOrp: are you sure song information are transmitted? how are they transmitted? through EIT? pree 'i' two times

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DapOrp:

prolly.

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janneg:

s/pree/press/

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DapOrp:

i don't think the song info is transmitted on EIT, i think it's in the PMT perhaps? as it changes more often than just the channel description that it's in the EIT.

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janneg:

I doubt it's in the PMT

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janneg:

EIT has program information

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DapOrp:

yeah, but i'm looking for individual song track info. that changes like every 4–5 minutes or so.

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janneg:

and I know DVB radio stations which transmits song information through eit

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janneg:

and yes, they have a new program each 3–6 minutes

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janneg:

DapOrp: do you know a STB or other device which displays song information for that radio station?

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janneg:

otherwise I doubt they transmit song information

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DapOrp:

yeah, i have a STB that displays it. so I know it is transmitting.

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DapOrp:

i dunno if myth is already able to pull it out or not, all i get is a blank screen when i go to the channel. is there some debug level i could enable to see if it'll spit it out at the console? any guess?

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janneg:

DapOrp: I would start looking at the raw data stream

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mythguy:

does anyone know if the edit keys screen is in 0.21?

[16:57:34]

mythguy:

i have 0.21 installed and can't find it anywhere.

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kormoc:

install mythcontrols

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mythguy:

kormoc: well that was easy ... thanks man.

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iamlindoro_:

I hate the "new" /. interface

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iamlindoro_:

"Get xxx more comments" should be "get xxx more comments and randomly insert them somewhere above."

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mythguy:

anyone know know by the 'y' key while watching tv won't let me change tuners (i have 2 pvr500's). in edit keys it shows it is bound to next source.

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mythguy:

the 'c' key only shows me the tuner name but wont can't change inputs on a source either. :(

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iamlindoro_:

holy crap, 64 bit flash for linux? Do my eyes deceive me?

[17:14:30]

^Zunni^:

Good morning, thanks for all the help I've received here. I have one more question and I think my MythTV Box will be completed. When you run nuvexport to convert the .nuv files, is there any way to have it use the flagged areas to actually REMOVE the commercials?

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iamlindoro_:

http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/11/no . . . xabytes.html

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iamlindoro_:

^Zunni^: (awful nick, by the way, lose the carats) Go to the wiki and search "remove commercials." There's a long, detailed article including how to do so automatically.

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wagnerrp:

just in time too, considering current 64-bit dont support anything like that kind of memory

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wagnerrp:

the chips dont, rather

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^Zunni^:

iamlindoro_: Sorry, am used to being on other IRC networks and have seen a Zunni or 2 in the past so I made it very hard to have someone think they were talking to me, will check out the wiki !

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meik1:

can anybody confirm that the wiki is down? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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meik1:

well, forget that, just works

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meik1:

but it's very slow?

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DapOrp:

it's going slow as hell for me too.

[17:23:25]

wagnerrp:

must be that slashdot effect we hear about so much

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wagnerrp:

way to go, taco

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meik1:

@wagnerrp: just found the article, thanks for the info

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^Zunni^:

I start checking it, and hte whole internet slows down. that's how much internet e-power I have ;)

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janneg:

lol, the slashdot article is returning where it came from, myth-user ml

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AndyCap:

"a ways to go to compete with some of the more mainstream PVR boxes in terms of minimalism" ?!?

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DapOrp:

what slashdot article are you people talking abotu?

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AndyCap:

who are these minimalists? can't they move into THX-1138 and be done with it?

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janneg:

DapOrp: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/11/17/168212.shtml

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janneg:

DapOrp: sorry this one http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/11/17/1421208.shtml

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DapOrp:

was gonna say that didn't look right. heh.

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abqjp:

The Gigabyte 9400 board has hit Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GA-E7AUM-DS2H/dp/B001JQXNCG

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** iamlindoro_ wonders when the flood of "Hey I saw this on slashdot and I did apt-get install mythtv and it won't work"s will begin **

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DapOrp:

so when is 0.22 gonna be released?

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GreyFoxx:

No date has been discussed

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DapOrp:

is there even like a beta you can get?

[17:53:36]

sid3windr:

=)

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wagnerrp:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

DapOrp: You're kidding, right?

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GreyFoxx:

dap: svn trunk

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GreyFoxx:

downloaded anytime

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DapOrp:

uh, i guess. :)

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wagnerrp:

there is trunk, but that hasnt officially been named 0.22 has it?

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GreyFoxx:

No idea about distro packages

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GreyFoxx:

some package trunk, some don't

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GreyFoxx:

wag: Only users actually refer to it as 0.22, we just call it trunk

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GreyFoxx:

It's not 0.22 until it's released :)

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** gbee will never run 0.22 **

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GreyFoxx:

me either ;)

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, always looking forward

[17:57:23]

GreyFoxx:

Chutt: seemed excited about using the VDPAU stuff as a painter

[17:57:29]

GreyFoxx:

that could be interesting

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iamlindoro_:

For UI as well as video+OSD?

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: wrong channel

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GreyFoxx:

iam: *nod*

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iamlindoro_:

neat.

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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gbee:

started to read back a little, but I see that the topic of slashdot has come up, so I'll avoid that

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** GreyFoxx noticed which channel name has focus **

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah, stay on topic please

[17:58:44]

GreyFoxx:

Pffft ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, youre not helping the users by talking about fancy new abilities we dont have yet

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** gbee wonders how his pocket knife has suddenly become magnatised **

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Were you recently struck by lightning/exposd to gamma radiation/involved in a tragic spacecraft-cosmic-ray accident?

[18:00:58]

wagnerrp:

recently sharpening it?

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gbee:

no

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iamlindoro_:

If so, please write immediately to C. Xavier, c/o Xavier's school for gifted you, Westchester NY, 01138

[18:01:05]

gbee:

just two of the three

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iamlindoro_:

s/you/youth/

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gbee:

hasn't been sharpened in six weeks

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justinh:

just read a bit of log, so I won't mention what somebody emailed me about today

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: oh don't keep me in suspense

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: its name ends in .

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iamlindoro_:

heh, I figures, just wondered about the content

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iamlindoro_:

s/figures/figured/

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jamiem:

hello :)

[18:17:03]

justinh:

look! your screenshot is on the front page!

[18:17:21]

justinh:

I wish I'd never looked. what a load of tosh

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, heh

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iamlindoro_:

yes

[18:17:45]

justinh:

not that any of it is untrue but...

[18:18:10]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Ah, so you think that Myth should work on its installer and stop overheating systems too, then? ;)

[18:18:25]

justinh:

heh. I don't read comments

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iamlindoro_:

good choice

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justinh:

life is short enough

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jamiem:

can anyone give me any further advice regarding Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T

[18:19:49]

justinh:

jamiem: yes, they're mighty purdy, and they fit into a single PCI slot. teh awesomes!

[18:20:07]

jamiem:

I'm running the pre3 firmware and custom kernel with USB_SUSPEND removed, I also have some modprobe.conf stuff

[18:20:24]

jamiem:

options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 and options dvb_usb disable_rc_polling=1 and I have remove the IR sensor

[18:20:24]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like a job for #linuxtv

[18:20:27]

justinh:

and if you're in the UK be careful you don't end up with the diversity version or you're boned as far as linux is concerned

[18:20:40]

jamiem:

it's not Diversity; I checked that before purchase :)

[18:20:55]

justinh:

jamiem: so what's the query then?

[18:20:59]

jamiem:

I'm using the latest v4l_dvb from Mercurial

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jamiem:

Nov 17 14:44:16 asok kernel: [72412.747853] mt2060 I2C read failed << this happened again :'(

[18:21:31]

justinh:

looks like iamlindoro was right :)

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jamiem:

normally when this happens I lose one of the tuners – this time it segfaulted a few minutes after I had reconnected to the dodgy tuner

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justinh:

iamlindoro you wanna say it again? ;)

[18:23:41]

iamlindoro_:

#linuxteeeeeveeeeeee

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jamiem:

iamlindoro_: I said hi

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jamiem:

:)

[18:24:31]

iamlindoro_:

It was a road sign, no an offer to troubleshoot ;)

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jamiem:

I figured

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** jamiem sulks **

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gbee:

see, this is why I'd sooner mythtv was not slashdotted – just gives everyone an excuse to whine, often enough for no good reason

[18:31:19]

jamiem:

me?

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: And even more often for defect from "last time I tried" in some ancient version

[18:31:52]

jduggan:

lol

[18:32:18]

wagnerrp:

especially to report a mythui update

[18:32:27]

wagnerrp:

not that mythui is any small task

[18:32:44]

wagnerrp:

but that you wont actually see what its capable of until people start exploring themes with it

[18:32:56]

gbee:

I stopped looking at it ages ago, it's a cesspit of negativity

[18:33:29]

iamlindoro_:

Mostly boils down to "I'm not smart enough to get it working/real the manual"

[18:33:40]

justinh:

gbee: to be fair to the article, it's not far off but I'd have preferred it if they'd not just cut & pasted proof of concept screenshots

[18:33:51]

justinh:

the comments really are best left ignored. ALWAYS

[18:34:48]

justinh:

infact I'd have preferred it if they'd just held back for a while. I don't know what they hoped to achieve

[18:34:48]

gbee:

justinh: not really against the articles, just slashdot itself, this article was posted on another site and syndicated to slashdot, it's that second bit that irritates me

[18:34:55]

justinh:

ah

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** jamiem wonders if a dedicated distro will perform better **

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jamiem:

annoyingly, it's hard to /make/ happen. It just seems to happen randomly.

[18:35:24]

justinh:

jamiem: not necessarily

[18:35:50]

jamiem:

justinh: no, indeed. I'm Debian here so I can't see how mythubuntu e.g. would be any different

[18:35:50]

gbee:

jamiem: turn off active EIT scanning on both tuners

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justinh:

jamiem: have you by any chance tried disablign active EIT scanning? I think I remember hearing something about that

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jamiem:

gbee: aha. I did read that somewhere – but will that not mean I can't use the program listings?

[18:36:31]

justinh:

jamiem: no it'll mean that EPG data is gathered only during recordings :)

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jamiem:

justinh: I don't understand. What usually happens, please?

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justinh:

if that means you have to schedule a dummy recording (i.e. any old show) every day just to make sure you get updates, so be it

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jamiem:

ah

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jamiem:

whereas eit scanning scans at intervals whether you're recording or not?

[18:37:42]

justinh:

jamiem:yes

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** jamiem reads the wiki **

[18:38:04]

justinh:

*active* scanning does what you just said

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jamiem:

I get it. Thanks.

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jamiem:

looks like I had turned it off on one card

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gbee:

jamiem: at the end of the day it's a driver bug which was supposed to have been fixed months ago, although part of the fix is to the USB drivers in newer kernels, so you could try a upgrading the kernel

[18:39:52]

jamiem:

gbee: I'm using 2.6.26(-1–686) and I have compiled out USB_SUSPEND

[18:39:55]

justinh:

gbee: surprised to see the comment about whitespace in the UI – something I'd been thinking about for quite some time. There was a trend for themes to use smaller fonts & go crazy packing things in – indeed a demand from users – the age old wuuhhhh I have HDTV, so make 2pt texts!

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jamiem:

I think it was fixed in .21

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gbee:

justinh: comment on slashdot? I've not even been tempted to look at slashdot, let alone the comments so you'll have to fill me in

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jamiem:

ok. EIT off on both tuners. Thanks, gbee, justinh. Now I guess it's just "wait and see" :)

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jamiem:

justinh: I have recordings most days. While I'm recording will it drag information for all channels for the extent of the data?

[18:42:05]

justinh:

gbee: somebody saying something along the lines of they hope the UI goes a little more minimalist like commercial DVRs

[18:42:17]

^Zunni^:

for all the complaining people have done about Myth... it's a solid app that does everything I want it to, and some things I don't :)

[18:42:26]

gbee:

justinh: ahh, well it could if they want to create the theme

[18:42:34]

gbee:

but we both know that :)

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** jamiem reads up on xmltv **

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gbee:

^Zunni^: like crash? ;)

[18:43:23]

justinh:

gbee: yeah well I'd go along with that myself... there's way too much info on a lot of screens – which before mythui wasn't in any way optional ;)

[18:44:14]

justinh:

btw staying out of here for a bit has been VERY refreshing. My motivation is reaching a level where I might actually do stuff soon!

[18:44:47]

GreyFoxx:

Only time I find too much is people who run at a res of 640x480 on older TV\'s that overscan way too much

[18:45:20]

justinh:

we still need a kids / old folks theme :)

[18:46:04]

justinh:

and with so much now being optional, it's probably going to be doable

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kormoc:

justinh, yeah, it's funny how much people expect for free

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clever:

GreyFoxx: looks like youve been escaping your strings too much:P

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jarle:

I seem to have run into a problem with setting up a Power Search recording schedule (from mythweb). It seems to find the show when I ask the frontend to show upcomming shows, but they are not scheduled to record?

[18:54:46]

kormoc:

jarle, Did you notice the 'when does the power schedule find the shows' option?

[18:54:47]

jarle:

What is the "Find Date & Time Options:" on the Power search page about BTW?

[18:54:58]

kormoc:

that's when the power search will run

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jarle:

kormoc: no?

[18:55:17]

kormoc:

it's fairly heavy, so having it run all the time is rarely doable

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jarle:

kormoc: so a power search will only run once a week?

[18:55:24]

kormoc:

so we run it once a week or so

[18:55:27]

kormoc:

yes

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jarle:

kormoc: THAT explains what I'm seeing...

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kormoc:

it defaults to now, but if you take too long to write it, that now could be a few minutes ago and it won't run till next week

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jarle:

kormoc: thnx...

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jarle:

I have a show that is on each friday, and and rerun next tuesday, so I am unable to setup a standard one-each-week rule in fear of recording the same show twice...

[19:00:26]

GreyFoxx:

record at anytime on this channel

[19:00:31]

jarle:

and there is also a rerun on a different channel on sundays... any hints on the most effective rule, to not record the same show twice?

[19:00:40]

GreyFoxx:

then even if something of higher priority gets recorded on friday it will still nab the tuesday

[19:00:53]

jarle:

GreyFoxx: the epg is often the same for each show unfortunately :(

[19:00:55]

gbee:

heh, so I've configured a second directory for mythvideo and it sucks :)

[19:01:04]

GreyFoxx:

jarle: Myth keeps a history

[19:01:12]

GreyFoxx:

it wont record the same show if the show details match

[19:01:27]

gbee:

each location gets it's own base node, rather than combining them

[19:01:38]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: we are only prefixing the first directory in videolist.cpp :)

[19:01:47]

GreyFoxx:

yeah once of the things I've changed in my stuff )

[19:01:51]

GreyFoxx:

err one

[19:03:24]

GreyFoxx:

That reminds me. I noticed something. When moving through the Video List tree, You have to hit right twice to move past the 3rd column

[19:03:46]

gbee:

think I'll try out that themoviedb.org grabber, hopefully the poster download works

[19:03:49]

jarle:

GreyFoxx: by show details you mean subtitle/description?

[19:03:57]

GreyFoxx:

jarle: Yeah

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: odd, I've made a note

[19:04:32]

GreyFoxx:

I have aton of stuff more than 3 directories down so I run into it a lot heh

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Let me know how it works if you play with it

[19:07:09]

iamlindoro_:

(although I guess I might do the same tonight)

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gbee:

I'm mostly interested because I deleted all existing posters and the one's I'm now getting from imdb are worse than nothing at all

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iamlindoro_:

likewise

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iamlindoro_:

I wonder whether you have also seen the thing where everything after the first poster is a clone of the first poster downloaded

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gbee:

and then there is the QBuffer bug that means I have to exit mythvideo before I can download the next poster

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iamlindoro_:

s/thing/bug/

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kormoc:

gbee, unless you use mythweb's video interface? :P

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, we are talking about the same thing I think :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: yeah, know the cause but I'll let Anduin fix it

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: there is a ticket too

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Anduin:

I'll fix it tonight, was away for the weekend

[19:10:55]

iamlindoro_:

ah, missed the ticket

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gbee:

kormoc: sorry to say that I don't have mythweb installed for the dev backend currently

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** kormoc is shocked! **

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gbee:

:p

[19:11:46]

kormoc:

hehe, no worries

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kormoc:

I need to re-do a bit of that interface anyway, I'm unhappy with how the JS works on it

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: So, does the release of a 64 bit flash player mean you'll be following YouTube links from now on?

[19:12:13]

gbee:

I used to, but it didn't get reinstalled after I was forced to format/reinstall

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kormoc:

but it is a bit faster then on the tv

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: would you rather more videos per screen in the -wide version of the gallery, or the same number but larger?

[19:13:20]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc: You may actually convince me to pick up a touch, it looks like a great/fun remote

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gbee:

or somewhere in the middle

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, It's actually fairly awesome, and one thing I'm working on adding right now is, when you browse to a video, just hit 'Play on frontend' and select the frontend and presto, telnet interface starting a video fun!

[19:14:27]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: in the middle. 1 more column wide and everything larger. And if not that the same amount but just bigger

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iamlindoro_:

Dang, way too many fun new toys to play with this month

[19:14:32]

kormoc:

and when I get the streaming worked out, preview on the touch, or watch the full thing on the touch...

[19:14:33]

iamlindoro_:

This will break me

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kormoc:

hehe

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RyeBrye:

kormoc – what are you using to get video to the touch?

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kormoc:

wait a bit until I get it done :)

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, gonna be a user job to use ffmpeg to transcode

[19:15:13]

RyeBrye:

kormoc – if your stuff was portable at all, I'd port it to Android for you probably

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: wide version with same size has 8x6, so I can go in the middle at 6/7x5 and bump the size up by 25%

[19:15:47]

RyeBrye:

The G1 plays back h264 streams with hardware acceleration

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, it's just another template for mythweb, uses the same objects and the like, so port away

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jarle:

kormoc: "Could not create a symlink to /mnt/video, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (mythbox). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb." What kind of symlink is missing here?

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RyeBrye:

kormoc – oh – so just a web view? That's easy enough to port... :) ... DONE! :)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: 6 sonds good to me. I had hacked mine to show 8 and it was wayy too much

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RyeBrye:

kormoc – since Android uses webkit – it should have no problems working on a G1 if it works on an ipod touch

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jackson__:

RyeBrye, is that only at a specific resolution and bitrate?

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, aye, it's just a webview that happened to use a fair bit of isafari magic js to give the full ipod/iphone interface experience

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RyeBrye:

jackson – 1080p 18Mb

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RyeBrye:

jackson – j/k

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RyeBrye:

jackson – yeah – there is a size / bitrate boundary for it

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kormoc:

jarle, there is a data directory in your mythweb root, in there should be a symlink to /mnt/video called video. Mythweb tried to create that for you and failed, so you will need to do it by hand

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jarle:

kormoc: thnx..

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jackson__:

RyeBrye, do ya happen to know off the top of your head that the res/bitrate boundry is?

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RyeBrye:

jackson__ – I can look, one sec

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RyeBrye:

jackson__ – this guy has the ffmpeg settings http://www.thesourceshow.org/node/125 and they look like what I read for the max

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RyeBrye:

i.e. 480k bitrate and 480 x 270 or 400 x 300

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jackson__:

RyeBrye, thanks

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DrDigital:

so what be better, a 2x hd-5500 or a dual tuner hdhomerun ? using it on an HDTV

[19:25:55]

DrDigital:

i should do a dvi to hdmi adapter right? the tv has two hdmis

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jarle:

kormoc: in video settings (in mythweb) VideoArtworkDir: is set to /mnt/video/cover however mythweb automatically creates a video_covers -> /home/jarle/.mythtv/MythVideo link?

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kormoc:

it should be pulling via the artwork dir, perhaps you have more then one?

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abqjp:

This guy says that if you want lossless audio via hdmi on nVidia, getting one of their motherboards is the only way to get it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . post15086440

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jarle:

kormoc: how is it possible to have more than one? I *used* to have/home/jarle/.mythtv/MythVideo but have since changed it to /mnt/video/cover

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jarle:

kormoc: so the cover dir is mounted on all frontends..

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GreyFoxx:

I store my covers and channel icons in a common directory under my recordings dir, which is mounted on all FE's anyway

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** iamlindoro_ wonders why someone keeps referring to 5.1 "upmixing" **

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iamlindoro_:

Is there something I don't understand? No upmixing to be done on items that are already 5.1, is there?

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wagnerrp:

theyre watching analog tv, and only get stereo?

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iamlindoro_:

"In terms of performance, my Pentium 4 3.0GHz frontend has trouble with upmixing 5.1 audio off HD recordings;"

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wagnerrp:

they have HD recordings with 2.0 AC3

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iamlindoro_:

but that's not what he's saying

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iamlindoro_:

And I'm aware there's 2 channel AC3.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I can't belive I'm saying this, but I saw a RP DLP 62" 1080P TV that I actually liked — LED illumination – NO RAINBOWS! Unbelievable contrast... and not that expensive... $2099...

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, whatever, maybe I just don't like him

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wagnerrp:

his wording suggests he already has 5.1

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wagnerrp:

RP?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: What's so wrong with that?

[19:36:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Rear Projection.

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iamlindoro_:

It's okay to like a DLP TV :)

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wagnerrp:

ive got a friend who loves his

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iamlindoro_:

My folks have one and it's pretty nice

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i didnt know they actually made FP TVs

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, but DLP with a color wheel is horrible IMHO — lots of rainbows... (My eyes are sensitve enough to see them very easily)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: They did. ;-) Not anymore, now they call it a projector. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen a projector before with a tuner

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Well, two types, FP = Projector, and FP = the old style TV where the projector was embedded in the chassis a few feet in front of it

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iamlindoro_:

on the bottom, pointing up at the projection screen

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iamlindoro_:

Mitsubishi used to make a ton of them

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: And the first ones had a very curved screen, you had to sit pretty-much dead-on to get a good image... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: here's one example... http://kobnet.net/misc/www.cedmagic.com/home/pfr100.jpg

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trumee:

guys,i tried to search in the EPG movies produces between 1990 and 1995, it doesnt produce any results. Although, i do have movies withing that timeframe. Doesnt the "Originally aired between" search criterion work?

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trumee:

if i remove the "Orginal aired" criterion, i do get a list of movies which have "Original Airdate: 1993"

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trumee:

i enhance the epg using IMDB, could that be a problem. i use the following script http://pastebin.com/m501e9197

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abqjp:

J-e-f-f-A: I have Samsung's latest LED based DLP. Awesome TV (for the money). The Mitsubishi laser based DLP is supposed to be much better, but is over twice the cost.

[19:58:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

abqjp: yeah... laser... <drool> ;-)

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kormoc:

trumee, is the data you entered into it valid? original air date should be a date, not just a year

[19:59:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

abqjp: I was really impressed with the LED DLP – no rainbows. I see horrible rainbows, even with the "DDR" DLP projectors/sets...

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** J-e-f-f-A heads off to a Dr's appt... back later... ;-) **

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gbee:

trumee: sounds like the UI is confusing "Original Air Date" and "Production Year", the former refers to the date it was first shown on TV which isn't supplied by many grabbers, the latter is the year a film etc was produced

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gbee:

file a ticket because the wording needs fixing

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gbee:

though I'll admit the handling of that stuff is a little confusing at times, so I don't even know if the production year is inserted into the original date column if it is otherwise empty

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quicksilver:

is it possible to tell myth to stop a current recording? (so you can do something else with that tuner)

[20:07:52]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[20:08:06]

quicksilver:

pointer to the correct portion of the fine manual is fine

[20:08:09]

quicksilver:

I couldn't find it.

[20:09:36]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: how?

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jedi__:

myth will probably start another recording pretty much immediately though.

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gbee:

quicksilver: watch recordings > I (context menu) > Stop Recording

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quicksilver:

ah. Thanks.

[20:15:38]

gbee:

similar from the upcoming recordings screen, Menu > Stop Recording

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trumee:

gbee,is it possible t search on an "Original Airdate:"?

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trumee:

gbee, oops! i mean Production date.

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trumee:

gbee, i want to list all the movies produced after 1990. Is that possible?

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gbee:

dunno

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iamlindoro_:

leprechau: probably want to ask here-- there's a fair likelihood ffmpeg will happily do it.

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GreyFoxx:

and maybe mkvmerge

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leprechau:

oops sorry

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trumee:

gbee, no worries.

[20:35:46]

leprechau:

i thought i was in here

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iamlindoro_:

me too, that's why I answered the first question by the other guy

[20:36:22]

leprechau:

mkvmerge from mkvtoolnix doesn't work right

[20:36:31]

leprechau:

it says it merges...makes the right size file

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leprechau:

but then mplayer only plays the first half

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wagnerrp:

mkvmerge is a multiplexer, not a splicer

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iamlindoro_:

#ffmpeg might be able to answer quickly

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iamlindoro_:

or #matroska (exists?)

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** iamlindoro_ wonders if there are any legit sources of Matroska (outside of hamemade) **

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iamlindoro_:

er homemade

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leprechau:

i made these with handbrake off a redbox rental sometime ago

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leprechau:

split it into two to xfer on cds

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leprechau:

now i want it joined

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wagnerrp:

well thats not exactly a legit source

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leprechau:

and it's nearly impossible

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leprechau:

i'll check out ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

leprechau: do you have a windows box?

[20:40:54]

leprechau:

i have a vbox windows install

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wagnerrp:

what form of audio?

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leprechau:

ac3

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wagnerrp:

grab virtualdubmod

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leprechau:

aight

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leprechau:

will do

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leprechau:

will that run in wine?

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leprechau:

ehh i'll give it a hit

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leprechau:

*shot

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wagnerrp:

demux the matroska into component streams, mux them into avi, splice them with vdub, demux to components, remux to matroska

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wagnerrp:

if you cant find any other solution, that will work

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wagnerrp:

but ffmpeg should be able to join the streams without the extra step to avi

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, why do people keep saying there is only one 9300 IGP board in Newegg? I see three

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iamlindoro_:

Although the ASUS does seem the nicest

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: that is new. Last time I looked they only had the Asus.

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iamlindoro_:

They all seem pretty close to the same, truth be told

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iamlindoro_:

I Like eVGA for GPUs, have never purchased a mobo from them

[21:04:32]

abqjp:

Asus has display port, but no firewire. The MSI and Gigabyte have firewire but no display port. The Evga is full sized.

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anykey_:

How can I export h264 recordings? Nuvexport only gives me SD resolution options...

[21:06:22]

iamlindoro_:

Last time I used nuvexport it allowed you to specify any resolution you want, can't imagine that has changed

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anykey_:

can you export with a lossless transcode? I just want the commericals removed

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iamlindoro_:

Nope, no lossless transcode. Only possible with MPEG-2.

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anykey_:

:/

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iamlindoro_:

Feel free to add that capability to Mythtranscode when you have five minutes free ;)

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anykey_:

if it's only a matter of five minutes, I think someone other probably would have added this before ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Kinda the point of the joke.

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jedi__:

why would you want to monkey around with the resolution of h264 nuvexports?

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xris:

anykey_: I export 720 tall HD recordings in h.264 (mp4 option) all the time.

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iamlindoro_:

He doesn't.

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anykey_:

xris: but not lossless, right?

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xris:

anykey_: nuvexport doesn't do lossless

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anykey_:

xris: does anything other?

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xris:

anykey_: um, "cp"

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iamlindoro_:

har har

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anykey_:

;)

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xris:

I guess the "nuv+sql" option would do that, too.. so nuvexport *does*....

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xris:

anykey_: maybe you should start by describing what you're trying to do.

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anykey_:

xris: I have a HD recordings, I created a cutlist in mythfrontend and all I want to do is to archive this *without* the parts that I cut out

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iamlindoro_:

You can *try* this patch to mythcommflag and use it w/ avidemux to cut commercials from h.264, but don't ask for any help for it (from me OR in this channel), it is totally unsupported and highly likely to cause audio sync loss. If it produces output with broken sync, press the avidemux devs to help you with it.

[21:19:04]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5809

[21:19:43]

anykey_:

iamlindoro_: will do, thanks

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xris:

anykey_: I've never seen myth correctly do lossless cutting with any HD stream, and I *know* that its internal stuff only works on mpeg2.

[21:20:06]

anykey_:

xris: doesn't sound too well then

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xris:

which is why I size my HD recordings down to deinterlaced 720 30fps...

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iamlindoro_:

in short, patch mythcommflag, run it as mythcommflag --getcutlist-avidemux -c $chanid -s $starttime --outputfile avidemuxproject.proj

[21:21:16]

anykey_:

720p50 broadcasted here, would be pretty much what I want :)

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iamlindoro_:

open the project file in current avidemux SVN trunk (2.4 branch) and it should have all the commercials cut out. It defaults to lossless setting so you can just choose save and you should get something more or less like a lossless commercial cut AVI of you h.264 file.

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xris:

iamlindoro_: have you found that avidemix can work on mpeg2 stuff, or only the h.264?

[21:23:51]

iamlindoro_:

xris: mythtranscode works better for the mpeg-2 stuff. (I am able to get my HD stuff to cut with some notable firewire exceptions) avidemux suggests that you run DVB/ATSC streams through ProjectX first for audio sync to be right

[21:24:51]

iamlindoro_:

What I really need to do is script together a projectX remux and my little avidemux patch and see if it helps with my firewire stuff, just haven't gotten around to it

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iamlindoro_:

xris: but in theory it *does* do lossless MPEG-2

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iamlindoro_:

Good god, /. won't let up on the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

xris: I have a little script on my user page that uses my patch for an avidemux project, would just need a one line addition at the top to remux w/ projectx, should work identically with h.264 and mpeg-2 and would be fairly simple to grep out the video codec and decide whether to remux.

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anykey_:

iamlindoro_: the patch is against trunk, I guess?

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iamlindoro_:

anykey_: yes

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anykey_:

guess I have to update my backend and frontend first then

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masterpop:

good evening all

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maddcell:

hi

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maddcell:

w00t

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maddcell:

I have the cable connected to the tv tuner how on heath do I get a hearbeat or anything?

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maddcell:

help

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maddcell:

I've been waiting for this moment since the day I was born

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maddcell:

:(

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iamlindoro_:

anykey_: There shouldn't be much preventing my patch from applying to .21-fixes, have you tried it?

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anykey_:

iamlindoro_: ah I thought it required 0.22, if it should work with fixes too, I'll try that first

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maddcell:

help

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iamlindoro_:

maddcell: You are not asking real questions. Explain what you are trying to do, and give specifics about your hardware and *maybe* someone will respond, don't just talk to yourself

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iamlindoro_:

Besides, we're like wolves, we smell desperation

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masterpop:

i have a general question about MythVideo --> trailers. Let's say you are in Media Library --> Watch Videos (in Browse View). Is there any way to edit this page to show a button for a custom command?

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iamlindoro_:

masterpop: not without writing the code to do so yourself.

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masterpop:

hmm...yeah...i downloaded the source code and was looking at some of it...

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masterpop:

what i'd like to be able to do: on that page, to have an option to "View Trailer".. this would be a file on the HDD... depending on how you've set up your film library

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iamlindoro_:

Yep, would definitely require more code.

[21:50:21]

iamlindoro_:

although I'm sure many people would appreciate it if you submitted a patch to do so.

[21:50:28]

iamlindoro_:

just make sure it plays with internal.

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masterpop:

understood; it's been a long time since I wrote any "real" code, since I moved out of the industry...

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masterpop:

i just figured it would be a cool feature, since a lot of film downloads now come with a _sample.mkv file...

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iamlindoro_:

only illegal downloads.

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iamlindoro_:

And we don't like that here.

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wagnerrp:

besides, a 'sample.mkv' is by no means a trailer

[21:55:17]

wagnerrp:

it is just a random excerpt chosen to display encode quality

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wagnerrp:

whats the point of watching such a thing

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maddcell:

ok I have a Conexant CXX23880

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wagnerrp:

although actually being able to define a trailer would certainly be interesting

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masterpop:

wegnerrp- you're right. i meant "trailer" in the true sense of the word.

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wagnerrp:

since often times, thats included as bonus content of a dvd

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maddcell:

I have the cable connected to the tuner card

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maddcell:

well how do I find out it's alive

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wagnerrp:

would you just have to update mythvideo? or would you have to update all the themes as well?

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maddcell:

like pinging,route,netstata with ethernet

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** maddcell guglin as well **

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iamlindoro_:

Don't tell us the tuner chip, tell us what ACTUAL card you have

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iamlindoro_:

Why do people *do* that, anyway?

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iamlindoro_:

PS, spelling things properly in here will get you far.

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masterpop:

let's say, you record a film from BBC.. you don't know if you'd like it or not, and don't want to watch all it... a "trailer" could then be defined as a series of random 20sec "clips" from the film... as an idea..

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masterpop:

of course, ideally, you'd want a real 'advert'

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iamlindoro_:

masterpop: We understand the idea, so get to implementing it!

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masterpop:

gotcha.

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iamlindoro_:

I'm going to guess < 50 lines of code

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iamlindoro_:

about 30 of which would be copied from somewhere else

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iamlindoro_:

at least, the way I'm thinking *I* would do it

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wagnerrp:

masterpop: assuming you record a video through mythtv, it automatically displays the first minute or so of the video as a preview

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** gbee imagines humourous collections of clips which sum up the entire film and give away the ending just for good measure **

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dustybin:

will usb 3.0 revolutionize the way we use mythtv? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39554846,00.htm

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Heheh, the spoiler button

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gbee:

wagnerrp: and it's intended in 0.22 to show rolling previews of videos imported into mythvideo too

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gbee:

dustybin: no

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maddcell:

it's a Pinnacle PCTV HD PCI (800i)

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iamlindoro_:

maddcell: Then go to the wiki page for it on the myth wiki (wiki.mythtv.org) and follow the advice.

[22:05:31]

iamlindoro_:

specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . d_%28800i%29

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iamlindoro_:

and if you are having trouble with just getting the card to *work*, then seek help in #linuxtv. Once you have it working and *know* it is, if you have troubles with myth you can start by reading the manual, then google, then post to the users list, then return here as a last resort.

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iamlindoro_:

ah, looks like internal is case insensitive now

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iamlindoro_:

the things you learn when you look at code for other people's projects

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fbnts:

Hi all, is there an easy way to copy the settings for one front end to all other frontends?

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fbnts:

I have 3 fronends but only one is setup correctly. I'd rather not manually configure each frontend but just copy the same config, or get all frontends using the same config

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maddcell:

iamlindoro_: thanks

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iamlindoro_:

fbnts: Dump mythconverg to a file, run grep "INSERT INTO \`settings\` " mysqldump.sql |grep configuredhostname > settings.sql

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iamlindoro_:

edit settings.sql and replace the hostname there with the exact hostname of another frontend

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iamlindoro_:

then mysql -u dbuser -p mythconverg < settings.sql

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iamlindoro_:

At least, that's how I would do it

[22:21:38]

iamlindoro_:

obviously, replace configuredhostname with the hostname of your configured host

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iamlindoro_:

So, in my case:

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iamlindoro_:

mysqldump -u mythtv -p mythconverg > mysqldump.sql

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iamlindoro_:

grep "INSERT INTO \`settings\` " mysqldump.sql |grep Mr-Watson > settings.sql

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iamlindoro_:

search and replace Mr-Watson with Moriary with any tool you like

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iamlindoro_:

then mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg < settings.sql

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iamlindoro_:

Should now have a set of settings for Moriarty

[22:23:43]

iamlindoro_:

YMMV, may kill your best pig/knock up your daughter, etc.

[22:29:20]

iamlindoro_:

OK. Please try to bear with me and understand that I am NOT a star trek geek

[22:29:25]

iamlindoro_:

but oh hellllllllllll yes

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/start . . . railer2.html

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Dagmar:

Someone's gonna get fired today.

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Dagmar:

...and it ain't gonna be me

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fbnts:

Thanks iamlindoro_ I was gonna write a script to run each time I added a frontend but wasn't sure if I was missing something and didn't want to reinvent the wheel!

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: would you mind not flooding the channel

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wagnerrp:

check the time stamps, hes not flooding

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Given that I was helpfully answer a question, I'll answer with whatever level of verbosity I think appropriate, thanks

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wagnerrp:

just the only one talking

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dustybin:

:P

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** dustybin crawls back under rock **

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GreyFoxx:

and 15 lines spanning 9 minutes is hardlyflooding

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

anyone ever used a xbox 360 as a front end via upnp?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, star trek the emo years?

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GreyFoxx:

ok, that trek trailer gave me the shivers

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GreyFoxx:

can't wait :)

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** gbee just gets a "Download Quicktime" message **

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gbee:

and I ain't polluting my system with that junk

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

actually if you dig into the source you can grab te raw file an play with the internal player, I'm just too lazy and don't care when it comes to works laptops :)

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gbee:

just done that

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gbee:

not straightforward since the referenced file is just a redirect, so had to dig the true url out of the binary

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gbee:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star . . . r2_h640w.mov

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gbee:

to save others the bother

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gbee:

no sound though ...

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SpaceBass:

I had no idea about this movie

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SpaceBass:

this trailer is glorious!

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purserj:

weeee the ultimate in "We've run out of original ideas!"

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riddlebox:

what is the command to tell a v4l device to switch inputs?

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ward_:

if i transcode a video i get a error 255, what can cause this and what log should i look at to find out whats going on?

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jblack:

I think you have to check the code. :(

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ward_:

where do i check it?

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ward_:

teh exact error

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jblack:

In the codebase. It's probaby defined in a header.

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ward_:

the full error is logged i think / hope

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ward_:

what log would it be?

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ward_:

at the moment i can not download the source, im on smallband so :(

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ward_:

(belgium providers work with retarded speed, and with retarded downloadlimits)

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jblack:

Hmmm. transcodedfs.h doesn't define 255.

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jblack:

-2 to 2.

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ward_:

google says more people have had the error

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ward_:

but nothing usefull so far

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Dagmar:

The source is *small*

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ward_:

how small?

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Dagmar:

Smaller than the binaries, always.

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ward_:

i dunno their size either

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Dagmar:

Themes, plugins, and the main package amount to about 10Mb.

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ward_:

i just guessed a few hunderd megs

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Dagmar:

Good lord no.

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jblack:

Are you talking to yourself?

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ward_:

nice i didnt expect that :)

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ward_:

jblack you mean me?

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jblack:

Yeah.

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ward_:

jblack i was talking to Dagmar :s

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jblack:

Ahh. Ok.

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ward_:

ooookeeeee lol

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ward_:

weirdo

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, time to get the new 64 bit flashness installed

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jblack:

Not weird. He's on my ignore list.

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ward_:

jblack i was thinking that lol

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ward_:

jblack is there anything else i can do to find out what might be my problem?

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jblack:

I'm looking through the code now. Patience.

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ward_:

jblack ok i didnt know that, thanx a bunch, im not much of a coder myself

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sid3windr:

ward_: maybe you're not paying enough ;) (re belgian providers :])

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ward_:

sid3windr i pay about double what others pay for a decent line

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ward_:

belgium sucks massivly

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Dagmar:

Nah, there's infrastructure, economics of scale, and population density issues

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sid3windr:

ah of course, "others". :)

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ward_:

holland has a different population?

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Dagmar:

Lots of things can make less economically robust areas connectivity lag

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: you call belgium less economically robust? =)

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ward_:

in all my neighbourcountries ehy have decent internet

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** sid3windr has decent internet **

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Dagmar:

Than say, San Francisco or New York? Definitely.

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sid3windr:

oh, you're american

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ward_:

looooool

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sid3windr:

figures.

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ward_:

hahaha

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jblack:

ward_: I don't see where it's defined.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and I build networks.

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** ward_ rolls on the floor **

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sid3windr:

yet I had more bandwidth at home 5 years ago than the average sf'er

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wombo2:

Well then you should think about Aus, ultra low density compared to our land mass

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ward_:

build or design? :p

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sid3windr:

yeah, aus = auch

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Dagmar:

It's _really_ easy to have trouble getting something better than 33.6k dialup in areas which simply don't have the infrastructure and just because "a country" has it in some places doesn't mean they have it throughout the entire region.

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gbee:

compressed the source amounts to that much, uncompressed – umm, a huge amount more :)

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ward_:

we have DSL though but they limit it in everyway and ask too much money, its just that there are only 2 majot providers here

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gbee:

so downloading no problem, but if you are short on disk space

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sid3windr:

(99.9% of belgium has 20Mbit downstream without too many issues)

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ward_:

its just the situation in general (over here at least)

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ward_:

sid3windr bullshit

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sid3windr:

no, not really

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ward_:

sid3windr ADSL2 is not even everywhere so most places are at 8 max

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ward_:

unless you count telenet and thats only available in half the country

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sid3windr:

I am, of course, not talking about copper.

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ward_:

coax is only half of belgium

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sid3windr:

haha.

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ward_:

well internet on coax

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sid3windr:

I see you are misinformed

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Dagmar:

Dunno about that. He looks like he's in Belgium to me.

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ward_:

i fucking worked for a provider...

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: so do I

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Dagmar:

I think he can speak at least for the area he's in with some authority.;

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sid3windr:

s/do/am/

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ward_:

sure telenet is everywhere you are correct

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** ward_ is not gonna make himself tired over nothing **

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sid3windr:

no, telenet is flanders-only (except for telenet solutions)

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ward_:

besides its offtopic

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ward_:

thats what i said...

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sid3windr:

I'll point you -as an example- to Voo, wallonia cable internet, 20Mbit

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sid3windr:

(and yes, there are others)

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ward_:

in flanders its only telenet

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ward_:

nothing else

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ward_:

and frankly telenet sucks

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sid3windr:

did I say otherwise? :)

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kormoc:

sid3windr, ward_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Belgium

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ward_:

i'd rather have a slower DSL line then telenet

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kormoc:

and with that, the topic is finished in here

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sid3windr:

kormoc: seriously, we're both living here :]

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kormoc:

duke it out on wikipedia

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