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| [00:08:07] | wagnerrp: | i have wholly underestimated just how much mkv content i have to convert over to mp4 for compatibility with my PS3 |
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| [00:12:42] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHHA |
| [00:12:52] | iamlindoro: | And that was when wagnerrp snapped, your honor |
| [00:13:02] | wagnerrp: | someone just posted links to their unlocked mythweb server directly to -users |
| [00:13:06] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: can the PS3 playback AC3 in mp4 files? |
| [00:13:17] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, yes |
| [00:13:21] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: no |
| [00:13:31] | ** iamlindoro goes to set up some recordings ** | |
| [00:13:33] | wagnerrp: | or at least it couldnt last i checked |
| [00:13:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, really? Thought I read that in the latest firmware update |
| [00:14:07] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: it can handle them in mpg2 ts, but as far as i know, not in mpeg4 |
| [00:14:16] | wagnerrp: | i can whip one together right now and test |
| [00:14:35] | dustybin: | why doesnt PS3 support .mkv? patent issues? |
| [00:14:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I might be misremembering-- it got added to the spec a few months ago and I thought I read that the latest firmware added support |
| [00:14:50] | wagnerrp: | mp4 part 14 does not support ac3 as an audio codec |
| [00:14:51] | iamlindoro: | mkv isn't patented |
| [00:14:56] | dustybin: | oh |
| [00:14:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, it does now |
| [00:15:04] | wagnerrp: | well, very recently |
| [00:15:39] | wagnerrp: | seems i cant whip one together, none of my mpeg4 tools support muxing in ac3 |
| [00:15:50] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he's a jerk if he goes and erases all the recording rules :) ** | |
| [00:17:35] | wagnerrp: | the update log for 2.50 makes no mention of ac3 |
| [00:19:15] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg will do the AC3 in MP$ muxing if you want to test |
| [00:19:18] | iamlindoro: | er MP4 |
| [00:19:44] | wagnerrp: | ok, ive been using (an old version of) mp4box |
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| [00:25:00] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, looks like it'll be another firmware update or two before that makes it to the PS3, most likely |
| [00:25:02] | iamlindoro: | my mistake |
| [00:25:40] | iamlindoro: | http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1168961#post1168961 |
| [00:25:45] | iamlindoro: | discussion starting there is relevant |
| [00:28:13] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize divx was going to start mandating mkv |
| [00:28:30] | wagnerrp: | well, allowing it anyway |
| [00:28:35] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that'll make for easier use w/ the PS3 |
| [00:30:56] | wagnerrp: | well my computer started to play the resulting file... and then exploded |
| [00:31:10] | iamlindoro: | support for MKV + getting the most up to date MP4 standard support ought to make it more or less like the PopcornHour-- will be a nice uPnP box |
| [00:31:58] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know the popcorn hour had mkv support |
| [00:32:05] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [00:32:12] | iamlindoro: | plays pretty much any/everything thrown at it |
| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | i noticed that the ps3 will now play 5.1 level video |
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| [00:33:28] | wagnerrp: | i didnt use to, the sites only says it supports 4.2 |
| [00:33:42] | wagnerrp: | but adaptive b frames on a lot of my stuff still kills it |
| [00:33:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I only have one PS3 Game (MGS) |
| [00:33:58] | iamlindoro: | I am thinking of getting resistance 1 and 2 though |
| [00:34:14] | lyricnz: | Is there a channel more suitable for getting linux/dvb working? |
| [00:34:17] | iamlindoro: | I have way too huge a backlog of 360 games to get through |
| [00:34:22] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz, #linuxtv |
| [00:34:34] | lyricnz: | thanks |
| [00:34:37] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:34:52] | ** lyricnz waiting for Fallout 3, btw. Looks cool. ** | |
| [00:35:02] | lyricnz: | I have to import it, because it's banned in my country :( |
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| [00:35:13] | wagnerrp: | seriously? |
| [00:35:15] | wagnerrp: | thats shitty |
| [00:35:21] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz, AU? |
| [00:35:31] | lyricnz: | Yeah, stupid censors don't have an R18 rating for computer games (only movies) |
| [00:35:34] | lyricnz: | Yeah |
| [00:35:58] | wagnerrp: | but australia loves the post apocalypse world |
| [00:35:59] | iamlindoro: | Fable 2 is kick ass, got through that this week |
| [00:36:26] | iamlindoro: | Dead Space was fun too, dunno how that got by your censors |
| [00:36:41] | ** lyricnz isn't really much of a gamer, but owns xbox 360 and about 10 games ** | |
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| [00:37:44] | lyricnz: | About that dvb card. Seems like saa7130 v4l2 driver loaded. Uh, is v4l integrated with dvb now? |
| [00:37:54] | lyricnz: | Or did it load analog driver stuff? |
| [00:38:32] | lyricnz: | registered device video0 [v4l2], registered device vbi0... |
| [00:39:23] | iamlindoro: | v4l is analog, v4l-dvb is dvb |
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| [00:39:37] | iamlindoro: | and not, there is likely a modulename-dvb |
| [00:39:40] | iamlindoro: | er and no |
| [00:39:50] | iamlindoro: | eg saa7134-dvb |
| [00:40:44] | iamlindoro: | you want to see something like "registering frontend 0" |
| [00:42:08] | lyricnz: | Yeah, that's what my other box does (different card) |
| [00:42:32] | lyricnz: | goddamnit – this stuff still ain't easy, is it? |
| [00:42:50] | iamlindoro: | varies wildly by hardware/distro/recentness of that distro |
| [00:43:16] | iamlindoro: | Last couple of cards I have put in have taken literally 0 lines of user intervention |
| [00:43:32] | lyricnz: | That's what I was hoping, since i'm basically doing this as a favour for a friend |
| [00:43:45] | wagnerrp: | big mistake |
| [00:43:49] | iamlindoro: | but, of course, there's still plenty of hardware that takes some..erm... massaging |
| [00:43:57] | lyricnz: | Already his nic wasn't supported by distro (as released), had to update to get that working. |
| [00:44:05] | wagnerrp: | if the friend cannot put together a mythtv system on their own, they shouldnt be using mythtv |
| [00:44:17] | lyricnz: | Seems like reasonably generic hw, and all the v4l stuff loaded, wierd :( |
| [00:44:32] | wagnerrp: | YOU putting it together for them means YOU are going to be visiting frequently when it breaks |
| [00:44:45] | lyricnz: | He'll open ssh tunnel, so I can do it from here |
| [00:44:49] | lyricnz: | But yeah |
| [00:45:11] | r3z` is now known as r3z | |
| [00:45:21] | ** r3z is still trying to decide what to do for HDTV recording. ** | |
| [00:45:23] | r3z: | OTA. |
| [00:45:37] | r3z: | I want a Hauppage 2200 but no stable drivers yet :( |
| [00:45:58] | wagnerrp: | do you have the space for two cards? |
| [00:46:07] | ** lyricnz uses dvico dual digital 4 – seems fine (dual dvb) ** | |
| [00:46:15] | wagnerrp: | two PCIe cards |
| [00:46:16] | r3z: | I do but I wanna stay cheap. |
| [00:46:22] | r3z: | Hrm 2 pcie I dont know |
| [00:46:30] | wagnerrp: | so grab a pair of 1250s, for less than one 2200 |
| [00:46:33] | ** r3z will have to check ;) ** | |
| [00:46:49] | iamlindoro: | You know what would be neat-- an HTML flowchart/quiz dealie for myth hardware recommendations |
| [00:46:56] | ** iamlindoro goes to think about that ** | |
| [00:48:19] | wagnerrp: | a 2200 is ~$140, a 1250 is ~$50 |
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| [00:48:29] | PaulWay: | Hi all |
| [00:48:41] | purserj: | Hi |
| [00:48:49] | wagnerrp: | and considering the mpeg encoders are going to be worthless for OTA in 4 months, theres no reason to pay for them |
| [00:48:51] | PaulWay: | I'm getting a "pure virtual method called" error when running mythtv-setup and trying to scan for channels. |
| [00:49:02] | PaulWay: | Any ideas? |
| [00:49:03] | wagnerrp: | unless you live in canada |
| [00:49:57] | r3z: | hrm |
| [00:50:02] | purserj: | PaulWay: what version of myth |
| [00:50:02] | r3z: | 1250s work good |
| [00:50:05] | purserj: | ? |
| [00:50:09] | PaulWay: | CentOS 5.2, ATRPMs packages version 0.21–193 |
| [00:50:22] | wagnerrp: | with a 2.6.24 kernel or better, there should be no setup required |
| [00:50:36] | wagnerrp: | i think thats when the drivers for the 1250 got added |
| [00:50:49] | purserj: | PaulWay: hrmm, never come across that |
| [00:50:58] | purserj: | which reminds me, i need to svn upgrade |
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| [00:51:10] | AlNahar: | hi, anyone around? |
| [00:51:17] | r3z: | No onboard encoder for the 1250? |
| [00:51:21] | AlNahar: | what's with a "database error" for mythweb? |
| [00:51:21] | lyricnz: | Could this card really be an analog card instead? |
| [00:51:26] | wagnerrp: | no, framegrabber only |
| [00:51:44] | wagnerrp: | AlNahar: usually means you havent configured mythweb properly |
| [00:51:47] | ** r3z is going to be getting OTA should that be ok? ** | |
| [00:52:02] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, i had used it in the past and it worked fine |
| [00:52:06] | wagnerrp: | either you havent given it the proper login credentials, or havent actually made login credentials to give it |
| [00:52:11] | AlNahar: | i upgraded myth stuff recently |
| [00:52:23] | AlNahar: | the rpms |
| [00:52:24] | iamlindoro: | r3z, digital capture doesn't need encoders, they are for analog only |
| [00:52:26] | AlNahar: | did that cause it, you think? |
| [00:52:34] | wagnerrp: | if you upgrade mythweb, its likely your package manager just deletes the old one and replaces it |
| [00:52:35] | iamlindoro: | r3z, digital stuff is encoded at the soruce |
| [00:52:58] | AlNahar: | it just says "database error" |
| [00:52:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning it may delete your database configuration file as well |
| [00:53:00] | AlNahar: | nothing else |
| [00:53:23] | AlNahar: | what is that file? |
| [00:53:32] | purserj: | hrmm, a question of my own, if I upgrade to .22/HEAD am I likely to cop flack from the family |
| [00:53:50] | wagnerrp: | purserj: do you use mythvideo? |
| [00:53:54] | purserj: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [00:53:55] | iamlindoro: | purserj, If you have heavy mythvideo usage, yes. If not, then you can probably limp through |
| [00:54:15] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is currently undergoing considerably flux with mythui changes |
| [00:54:21] | iamlindoro: | as in "yes, they will string you up" |
| [00:54:34] | purserj: | iamlindoro: in that case I shall do the right thing and remain on .21 |
| [00:54:39] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [00:55:13] | ** r3z isnt up on the digital stuff ;) ** | |
| [00:55:28] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, what file would it have been? |
| [00:56:14] | wagnerrp: | AlNahar: it used to be stored in the actual web directory |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | but now its stored in the apache configs |
| [00:56:27] | AlNahar: | since when? |
| [00:56:33] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 i believe |
| [00:56:35] | r3z: | Fricking wireless is sucking since I upgraded mythdora. |
| [00:56:46] | wagnerrp: | ever since there was a custom mythweb.conf that got shipped with it |
| [00:56:51] | ** r3z thinks he might just wipe out mythdora and install ubuntu and do myth his self. ** | |
| [00:56:57] | AlNahar: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.8K 2008-03–13 23:35 mythweb.conf |
| [00:56:57] | AlNahar: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 613 2008-03–12 18:22 mythweb.conf.rpmnew |
| [00:57:02] | lyricnz: | What's a simple tool to scan/view analog? Maybe I can get this working there ;( |
| [00:57:03] | AlNahar: | in my conf.d dir |
| [00:57:06] | btQuark is now known as btQuarkAFK | |
| [00:57:32] | AlNahar: | did the format change in the new one or something?!?! |
| [00:57:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a conf.d dir in my entire system |
| [00:57:40] | wagnerrp: | so i dont know where yours should be |
| [00:57:41] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, /etc/httpd/ |
| [00:57:47] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, it worked until this upgrade, it seems |
| [00:57:47] | wagnerrp: | dont have one of those either |
| [00:58:17] | r3z: | ubuntu and myth get along alright/ |
| [00:58:18] | r3z: | ? |
| [00:58:22] | Anduin: | lyricnz: (not having read scrollback) tvtime |
| [00:58:29] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, at any rate, it changed after the recent upgrade |
| [00:58:35] | lyricnz: | cool, I just installed that. How to scan for channels? |
| [00:58:48] | AlNahar: | mythweb-0.21–193.fc9.i386 |
| [00:58:57] | wagnerrp: | mythweb made some considerable changes between 0.20.2 and 0.21 |
| [00:59:09] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, i already had .21 |
| [00:59:14] | AlNahar: | this is like yesterday's upgrade |
| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | i believe thats when the location of that stuff changed |
| [01:00:07] | wagnerrp: | if it has broken since then, the only thing i can think of is that it got overwritten with new files |
| [01:00:18] | wagnerrp: | did you check the files to see if the proper config is still in them? |
| [01:00:25] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, well, those files are not new, as you can see from the date |
| [01:00:40] | wagnerrp: | they very well may be new |
| [01:00:49] | wagnerrp: | rpms retain file dates |
| [01:00:52] | Anduin: | lyricnz: google for tvtime channel scanner, you are feeling lucky |
| [01:00:57] | AlNahar: | even on the .rpmnew file? |
| [01:00:58] | lyricnz: | Thanks :) |
| [01:01:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what the purpose of an '.rpmnew' file is |
| [01:01:32] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, at any rate |
| [01:01:46] | AlNahar: | <Directory "/var/www/html/mythweb" > |
| [01:01:51] | wagnerrp: | at any rate, just check the files to confirm |
| [01:02:07] | wagnerrp: | there should be a couple lines telling it where the database is, and how to log in |
| [01:02:38] | AlNahar: | http://pastebin.ca/1236543 |
| [01:03:14] | AlNahar: | isn't that ok? |
| [01:03:55] | wagnerrp: | that looks ok, but its useless for your problem |
| [01:04:01] | AlNahar: | ? |
| [01:04:11] | wagnerrp: | there should be a couple lines, 'setenv db_server ...' |
| [01:04:17] | wagnerrp: | make sure those are set to the correct settings |
| [01:04:30] | wagnerrp: | should be db_server, db_name, db_login, and db_password |
| [01:05:03] | AlNahar: | http://pastebin.ca/1236544 |
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| [01:05:30] | wagnerrp: | are those the correct settings? |
| [01:05:40] | AlNahar: | as far as i know, i haven't changed them:O |
| [01:05:49] | AlNahar: | how can i test? |
| [01:05:57] | wagnerrp: | the web server is running on the same box as the backend? |
| [01:06:01] | AlNahar: | yessir |
| [01:06:01] | lyricnz: | Anduin: tvtime-scanner can't find any tuners. is it possible that this card is dvb, with a no-tuner analogue input? (seems to have coax connector) |
| [01:06:07] | wagnerrp: | then those should be correct |
| [01:06:24] | wagnerrp: | and for future reference, dont post login information to irc channels, even if it is the default |
| [01:06:31] | AlNahar: | ok, thanks |
| [01:06:33] | wagnerrp: | its just a bad idea |
| [01:06:51] | wagnerrp: | on the console, try to log in with those settings |
| [01:06:57] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp, i've been using mythweb for years, and for several months that |
| [01:06:59] | AlNahar: | config |
| [01:07:08] | wagnerrp: | 'mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -hlocalhost mythconverg' |
| [01:07:13] | Anduin: | lyricnz: coax connector doesn't mean anything, no idea, didn't read back (to have any idea which card you have) |
| [01:07:22] | AlNahar: | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -hlocalhost mythconverg |
| [01:07:23] | AlNahar: | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| [01:07:23] | AlNahar: | hmm |
| [01:07:34] | wagnerrp: | is mysql running? |
| [01:07:41] | AlNahar: | i wonder how that happened |
| [01:07:51] | AlNahar: | mysqld dead but subsys locked |
| [01:07:53] | AlNahar: | i just restarted it |
| [01:07:55] | AlNahar: | that was strange |
| [01:08:36] | PaulWay: | purserj: yeah, the real oddity is that I had it scanning channels just fine earlier today, but it missed some of the channels that scan picked up, so when I went back to try the existing transports, it now just segfaults out. |
| [01:09:05] | purserj: | PaulWay: any package updates between scans? |
| [01:09:09] | lyricnz: | AlNahar: Apparently It's a ledtek 1000s, but kernel only loads a bunch of v4l stuff |
| [01:09:27] | purserj: | AlNahar: winfast leadtek 1000? |
| [01:09:37] | PaulWay: | purserj: ummmm... there were a few packages for directfb, but... |
| [01:09:38] | wagnerrp: | the folly of tab name completion... |
| [01:09:50] | lyricnz: | Yeah, I guess so. I could pop it open, and read the device..? |
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| [01:10:13] | ** lyricnz is playing mythtv-evangelist again today, trying to convert another ;) ** | |
| [01:10:22] | purserj: | lyricnz: I've got one of those and I use the dvb stuff direct from the v4l repo |
| [01:10:36] | purserj: | so in essence I rebuild the relevant modules |
| [01:10:38] | iamlindoro: | Aren't the ones we have difficult enough? |
| [01:10:42] | ** lyricnz groans. Eeek! ** | |
| [01:10:58] | lyricnz: | I had to do that with my own machine for a year or tw |
| [01:10:59] | lyricnz: | o |
| [01:11:09] | PaulWay: | it's not that hard – I did it for this machine yesterday and it just worked. |
| [01:11:37] | purserj: | PaulWay: could be there were some changes in the directfb that affected the myth stuff |
| [01:11:58] | PaulWay: | yeah.... hmmmm... |
| [01:13:15] | lyricnz: | purserj: know of any guide for "forgot all my dvb skillz" ? |
| [01:13:43] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz, you don't need any |
| [01:14:05] | iamlindoro: | hg pull the repos, enter the dir, make, make install, reboot, install any relevant firmware, modprobe the right driver, done |
| [01:14:19] | lyricnz: | hahah, so simple! :Q |
| [01:14:23] | PaulWay: | purserj: I've removed all the packages it installed before, so... |
| [01:14:30] | lyricnz: | yay linux ;) |
| [01:14:40] | iamlindoro: | It literally *is* that simple-- all you need is a build environment and kernel headers installed |
| [01:16:13] | PaulWay: | I'm trying another full scan – let's see if it can get itself back together now... |
| [01:17:14] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out whats wrong with upnp |
| [01:17:22] | lyricnz: | yum install hg kernel-headers gcc make # brand new box |
| [01:17:34] | wagnerrp: | any time i try to play something mpeg4, it waits ~30s to time out with an error, and then starts playing |
| [01:17:42] | wagnerrp: | avis work just fine though |
| [01:17:43] | Anduin: | PaulWay: if this is the .21 scanner some find that setting the cpu affinity helps |
| [01:17:58] | r3z: | Can I use one antenna for dual tuners? |
| [01:18:04] | r3z: | for HD content? |
| [01:18:07] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:18:10] | lyricnz: | sure, split it |
| [01:18:16] | lyricnz: | as long as you have good signal |
| [01:18:24] | wagnerrp: | just like you split a cable signal, no different |
| [01:18:37] | wagnerrp: | but remember that each split drops 3db in the downstream lines |
| [01:18:38] | r3z: | Bleh I gotta use a indoor antenna. |
| [01:18:42] | r3z: | ya |
| [01:19:16] | lyricnz: | mkrufky still has an account on my mythtv box :) |
| [01:19:49] | wagnerrp: | he still showing up in the user log? |
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| [01:20:46] | lyricnz: | nah, hasn't logged in maybe a year |
| [01:21:01] | lyricnz: | but I was "helping" him get dvico dual-digital 4 working in australia |
| [01:21:42] | PaulWay: | aaaaand it segfaulted again. |
| [01:21:48] | PaulWay: | I'm going to pull out some weeds. |
| [01:24:05] | lyricnz: | how does v4l repo related to stock linux? Linux takes stuff from v4l sometimes, but not so often? |
| [01:24:56] | purserj: | PaulWay: anything in a log? |
| [01:25:07] | ** lyricnz starts – hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb ** | |
| [01:26:52] | lyricnz: | .... |
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| [01:28:10] | purserj: | http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/Myth_and_the_W . . . dtek_dtv1000 |
| [01:28:12] | purserj: | lyricnz: |
| [01:28:29] | ** lyricnz looks, thanks man ** | |
| [01:28:52] | pat_: | purserj: 1000T or 1000S |
| [01:29:14] | pat_: | I think the dtv-1000S (what they sell now) doesn't work under linux |
| [01:29:40] | purserj: | T I think |
| [01:29:42] | purserj: | ah bugger |
| [01:29:55] | lyricnz: | Oh crap :( |
| [01:30:41] | pat_: | it may work now, but didn't when I checked it out almost a year ago or so |
| [01:31:34] | ** lyricnz still trying to figure out how to make his v4l build, missing some dep, no doubt ** | |
| [01:32:13] | purserj: | what's the error message? |
| [01:32:16] | lyricnz: | file not found: /lib/modules/2.6.26.6–79.fc9.x86_64/build/.config ==== missing some kernel dev thingy? |
| [01:32:26] | lyricnz: | vendor kernel (fedora) |
| [01:32:41] | purserj: | you've got all of the kernel headers and so on installed? |
| [01:33:36] | lyricnz: | kernel-headers and glibc-headers – probably missing some -dev packages for later (stdlib etc) |
| [01:34:30] | lyricnz: | ah, missing kernel-devel ;) |
| [01:34:41] | lyricnz: | I'll try that |
| [01:34:58] | lyricnz: | Brand new machine, hmm. |
| [01:35:08] | lyricnz: | My myth box already has this, heheh |
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| [01:35:40] | lyricnz: | Yeah, that's getting further |
| [01:36:54] | lyricnz: | It's quite nice to see make building lots of code with no warnings/errors ;) |
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| [01:37:23] | lyricnz: | How often does linus take stuff from v4l? |
| [01:39:33] | iamlindoro: | When it's submitted and passed the approval process |
| [01:39:39] | iamlindoro: | it's push, not pull |
| [01:40:51] | lyricnz: | Hmm, built ok, installed, reloaded modules, same result |
| [01:41:00] | lyricnz: | no frontend loaded |
| [01:41:13] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz, does your dmesg output say anything re: firmware? |
| [01:41:37] | lyricnz: | Nope. Do I need to find some? :) |
| [01:41:38] | iamlindoro: | I would wager you are loading the wrong modules-- have you looked at the linuxtv.org and mythtv wiki pages for your specific device? |
| [01:41:46] | iamlindoro: | lyricnz, only if the driver asks for it |
| [01:44:01] | ** lyricnz isn't explicitly loading any (detect), and it seems to be loading what looks like the right thing.... searching now – kindof hard to tell difference between 1000S and 1000T ** | |
| [01:47:43] | ** lyricnz breaks open the box to check. I think the 1000S is satellite?! ** | |
| [01:48:10] | lyricnz: | Or at least a new version, which isnt supported, it seems |
| [01:48:23] | lyricnz: | "the DTV1000S is an upgrade with different chip set phillips SAA7130 instead of Conexant cx88." |
| [01:48:59] | lyricnz: | "reading the linux-dvb mailing list, it appears that support for the DTV1000S is not far off, testing of the TDA10048 chip is under way." (may) |
| [01:49:15] | lyricnz: | But people asking for updates ever since ;) |
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| [02:03:04] | lyricnz: | yeah, not supported yet. Gak |
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| [02:22:57] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone here familiar with congruity for Harmony remotes? It can't seem to find wxpython in Ubuntu 8.10. |
| [02:26:22] | wagnerrp: | congruity? is that some linux driver for them? |
| [02:26:49] | EnderTheThird: | yeah. a GUI for using the Harmony website. |
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| [02:27:03] | EnderTheThird: | i can use concordance, but congruity was much easier to use w/ firefox |
| [02:27:07] | daMaestro: | how do i tune the watch list to actually list the episodes i've not watched? |
| [02:27:16] | wagnerrp: | can it upload to the remotes? or just better interface with the website? |
| [02:27:30] | EnderTheThird: | upload to remotes |
| [02:27:30] | daMaestro: | i have a lot of recordings in the state "not the earliest episode" yet i still want to watch them |
| [02:27:47] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [02:28:28] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to fix my profile. the 'advance' button on mine somehow got deprogrammed |
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| [02:44:01] | EnderTheThird: | wagnerrp: that's alright. while browsing the logitech site, apparently it lost my settings somehow so i had to reconfigure a bunch of my activities. not cool |
| [02:48:44] | EnderTheThird: | anyone know how to set time via concordance? |
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| [02:53:14] | EnderTheThird: | nevermind |
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| [04:15:50] | trontos: | How does mythwelcome determine if it should automatically start mythfrontend? I'm finding that when the computer wakes up for a recording, mythwelcome just launches mythfrontend. :( |
| [04:17:26] | styelz: | check /etc/default/mythtv settings maybe |
| [04:17:34] | styelz: | or equiv. |
| [04:17:50] | styelz: | there is an option there on mine |
| [04:18:12] | trontos: | thanks, I'll have a look. Should have mentioned that I'm running mythbunutu 8.04 |
| [04:18:25] | styelz: | sorry i am wrong |
| [04:19:16] | styelz: | 1 sec. i forget the file name. i have 8.04 also |
| [04:20:00] | trontos: | I've seen a message come up on welcome that says a recording is starting shortly about 5 minutes before it was due and I was hoping that that would be the criteria for NOT starting the frontend if the computer was started with 5 or less to go for a recording... |
| [04:21:41] | trontos: | I've been following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . xt/ACPIWake, but it doesn't say anything about what happens if frontend is started, just that the frontend will not be started if a recording is starting soon |
| [04:22:00] | trontos: | but alas, my just throws me into frontend if if there is 2 minutes before the recording :( |
| [04:22:03] | styelz: | check the file /etc/mythtv/session-settings |
| [04:22:22] | styelz: | ah |
| [04:24:49] | trontos: | no not seeing anythin is session-settings :( |
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| [04:26:57] | trontos: | <sigh> Maybe I'll just turn off the automatic startup |
| [04:27:24] | trontos: | not the best solution, but at least the front end isn't up when a recording finishes... |
| [04:27:41] | styelz: | why not remove the frontend from starting when it boots |
| [04:27:52] | styelz: | is that what you mean? |
| [04:28:31] | trontos: | yeah |
| [04:28:55] | trontos: | just have a welcome screen and start the frontend if needed |
| [04:29:05] | trontos: | that's what the button is there for, right? :) |
| [04:30:10] | trontos: | ok, think I'm OK with that for the time being |
| [04:30:33] | styelz: | yea |
| [04:30:58] | trontos: | next stop lcd |
| [04:31:08] | styelz: | hehe |
| [04:32:38] | trontos: | no, seriously :) |
| [04:32:41] | styelz: | maybe have a read of /usr/bin/mythfrontend |
| [04:32:51] | styelz: | script |
| [04:33:02] | trontos: | did it yesterday, but had seriously hosed things trying to get lirc_imon to work, so started from scratch this morning |
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| [04:33:23] | styelz: | whats lirc_imon ? |
| [04:33:42] | trontos: | remote control |
| [04:33:51] | styelz: | ah |
| [04:33:57] | trontos: | lirc is the linux i-sometihng remote control I think? |
| [04:34:10] | styelz: | yea i have not seen the _imon |
| [04:34:20] | styelz: | oh its a module. k |
| [04:34:46] | trontos: | yeah, really not working well in mythbuntu which is using 0.8.3 pre1, but works well in 0.8.4 |
| [04:35:16] | trontos: | so, you need to remove lirc, which removes mythbuntu-control-centre which didn't seem like a really good thing to be doing |
| [04:35:27] | styelz: | hehe |
| [04:35:32] | styelz: | just cmopile and install over the top |
| [04:36:10] | styelz: | i mena, dont remove |
| [04:36:36] | trontos: | yeah, didn't go so well :( |
| [04:36:41] | styelz: | ah |
| [04:36:50] | trontos: | but there is lirc-modules-source, which sort of worked |
| [04:36:56] | styelz: | you might want to move your config files first |
| [04:37:00] | styelz: | it wont overwrite them |
| [04:37:24] | trontos: | I got 0.8.4 working and had irw responding to keys, but myth didn't seem to know about the remote :( |
| [04:37:27] | styelz: | cant you uninstall lirc using mythbuntu-control-centre ? |
| [04:37:37] | trontos: | apt-get remove |
| [04:37:57] | styelz: | ah |
| [04:38:08] | styelz: | yea you need to make a lirc file for myth |
| [04:38:08] | trontos: | I don't think /usr/bin/frontend is going to help much, since it is what CALLS it that is important :) |
| [04:38:26] | ** trontos gets back to lcd ** | |
| [04:39:15] | styelz: | but in mythbuntu i think the /usr/bin/mythfontend is a script that runs the mythfrontend.real bin |
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| [04:40:21] | trontos: | but mythwelcome runs mythwelcome that (I'm assuming) is responsible for starting frontend or not? |
| [04:40:40] | styelz: | have a look at the script |
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| [04:41:49] | styelz: | maybe mine is different.. i have sliced and divces this install |
| [04:41:58] | styelz: | for a few years |
| [04:42:27] | styelz: | s/divces/diced |
| [04:42:56] | trontos: | I've seen welcome come up first, wait, then frontend starts |
| [04:43:22] | trontos: | I'm assuming that in that wait, there is a check, from welcome, to see if it should start frontend |
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| [04:43:42] | trontos: | and since there is a /usr/bin/mythwelcome binary, I'm assuming that it is happening in there |
| [04:44:07] | trontos: | so for the time being, I'm happy-ish, made a note to come back to it and am moving on :) |
| [04:44:23] | jams: | mythwelcome has an option to auto start the frontend, have you disabled that? |
| [04:44:24] | styelz: | :) |
| [04:46:48] | trontos: | according to the help info for that, it will automatically start frontend if welcome determines that it was NOT started to record a program, which is what my very first question was about :) |
| [04:47:05] | trontos: | it is not disable, which not really happy about, but will work for me for the time being |
| [04:47:20] | trontos: | s/not/now |
| [04:50:43] | trontos: | hmm, maybe I should get lirc 0.8.4 and diff it against 0.8.3~pre1, patch the lirc-modules-source and hopefully all is good |
| [04:51:06] | ** trontos tried replacing the lirc-modules-source before, but it wouldn't compile ** | |
| [04:54:50] | ** iamlindoro wonders how diffing one version against the other is any different than just compiling the first one in the first place ** | |
| [04:55:37] | trontos: | yeah |
| [04:55:47] | ** trontos can get deluisional at times :) ** | |
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| [05:00:50] | trontos: | ah, dmks is why I wanted to patch it |
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| [05:00:57] | trontos: | but that isn't going to work either |
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| [05:01:19] | i_is_cat: | does anyone in this chan have a working gigabyte remote? |
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| [05:08:18] | trontos: | heh, think I forgot to copy over the header files for lirc before :) |
| [05:09:03] | dustybin: | !slap iamlindoro |
| [05:09:12] | dustybin: | !trout iamlindoro |
| [05:09:12] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a trout on behalf of dustybin... ** | |
| [05:11:57] | ** styelz slaps himslef with a large vagina ** | |
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| [05:15:18] | trontos: | RyeBrye looks familar. I think I've read some of your posts in some forum somewhere recently... |
| [05:18:40] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, You slap like a girl. And you missed. |
| [05:18:54] | iamlindoro: | Had to get your friend Mythlogbot to do it for you, you woman. |
| [05:23:25] | rooau1: | iamlindoro: lol |
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| [06:05:11] | fuxxy: | I created the virtual ALSA device "rate_convert" to convert all streams into 48000 khz.. what do I call this device in myth? |
| [06:06:36] | clev: | id simply make it the default device with some .asoundrc magic |
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| [06:10:57] | fuxxy: | clev, hmm |
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| [06:18:30] | fuxxy: | clev, does this look sane for asound.conf? http://pastebin.ca/1236689 |
| [06:18:41] | fuxxy: | I don't know alsa very well |
| [06:18:42] | clev: | my firefox keeps crashing, cant open any links |
| [06:18:49] | clev: | ##alsa knows alsa very well :P |
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| [06:20:48] | wagnerrp: | well i finally watched the latest Indiana Jones, and now understand why people hate it |
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| [06:32:54] | trontos: | bah, irw gets button press but nothing seems to work in mythtv :( |
| [06:33:51] | wagnerrp: | mythtv was compiled with lirc support? you have the lircrc in the proper place? |
| [06:34:04] | trontos: | yeah, checked that |
| [06:34:07] | trontos: | mythbunutu |
| [06:34:11] | trontos: | 8.04 |
| [06:34:50] | wagnerrp: | i would have to believe that has lirc support |
| [06:34:59] | trontos: | :) |
| [06:35:15] | trontos: | took me awhile to get the imon to actually work |
| [06:35:47] | trontos: | most things just say congratulations with irw responds, but I've seen a few forum posts about that ask "What's next?", which is where I'm at :( |
| [06:36:29] | wagnerrp: | well lets see your lircrc file |
| [06:36:31] | wagnerrp: | pastebin it |
| [06:36:32] | fuxxy: | What does the pcm.!default do in asound.conf? |
| [06:36:46] | trontos: | pastbin? |
| [06:36:48] | fuxxy: | I can't get a good description from the docs |
| [06:38:07] | wagnerrp: | directly from the docs... 'If you want the default to be, for example, a USB Device, instead of the onboard sound, you can place a pcm.!default line in the .asoundrc' |
| [06:38:25] | wagnerrp: | trontos: pastebin.com |
| [06:39:00] | wagnerrp: | fuxxy: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| [06:39:13] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, thank you.. |
| [06:39:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if those are the official docs, but thats what came up first in google |
| [06:39:48] | fuxxy: | yeah, that's what I'm looking at now |
| [06:40:38] | trontos: | http://pastebin.com/d6d5ec3cd |
| [06:40:48] | trontos: | included a bit of irw at the beginning |
| [06:41:18] | fuxxy: | has anyone attempted plugging the ir dongle from a PVR150 or PVR350 into the jack located in the USB device of an mceusb2? |
| [06:42:45] | wagnerrp: | run irw as the user running mythfrontend, and see what you get |
| [06:42:53] | trontos: | ah, ok |
| [06:43:53] | wagnerrp: | fuxxy: i can only imagine its not compatible |
| [06:44:37] | trontos: | wagnerrp, same thing, works ok |
| [06:44:40] | trontos: | :( |
| [06:45:04] | wagnerrp: | get rid of the 'remote' field, and see if that works |
| [06:45:11] | trontos: | hmm, random keys are getting frontend to ask me if I want to exit!?! |
| [06:45:18] | wagnerrp: | you have restarted mythfrontend after starting up lircd, correct? |
| [06:45:40] | trontos: | maybe |
| [06:45:44] | trontos: | I will now :) |
| [06:47:17] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, hmm. My remote reciever was bundled with my Toshiba laptop, I wonder how I can buy a spare blaster dongle? |
| [06:47:43] | wagnerrp: | i believe the mceusb2 units have a built in blaster |
| [06:48:18] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, check out the usb-uirt, or build your own serial unit |
| [06:49:04] | lyricnz: | I plug in a new dvb card, looks like the drivers load okay, yet mythtvsetup channel scanner doesn't find 'em. What's a command-line tool to scan for channels? Something about zap, I vaguely remember? |
| [06:49:23] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, the mceusb2 does have built-in blaster capability with two jacks, I got one jack working with the included cord, I'm looking for another cord for the other jack |
| [06:49:59] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: azap is for tuning dvb cards after you have scanned one |
| [06:50:07] | wagnerrp: | dvb-scan actually runs the scan |
| [06:50:18] | wagnerrp: | but the built in scanner in mythtv-setup should work |
| [06:50:33] | lyricnz: | Hmm, and way to figure out why that didn't work? |
| [06:50:40] | wagnerrp: | do you have a dual core/processor machine? |
| [06:50:46] | lyricnz: | Uh, yes |
| [06:50:51] | wagnerrp: | theres your problem |
| [06:50:56] | lyricnz: | wha? |
| [06:51:06] | wagnerrp: | for whatever reason, there are issues with the scanner hopping between processor cores |
| [06:51:20] | wagnerrp: | if you restrict it to one core, it runs fine |
| [06:51:22] | lyricnz: | Ahhh, missing some firmwarez too, it seems |
| [06:51:30] | lyricnz: | xc2028 1–0061: Error: firmware xc3028-v27.fw not found. |
| [06:51:33] | wagnerrp: | or, you can just use dvb-scan, make a channels.conf, and load that |
| [06:51:36] | lyricnz: | Where do I get those? |
| [06:53:11] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=774819 |
| [06:53:18] | wagnerrp: | go to post 7 |
| [06:54:33] | trontos: | wagnerrp, thanks, it is sort of working now |
| [06:55:18] | lyricnz: | 404 |
| [06:55:31] | lyricnz: | Ahh, my bad |
| [06:55:50] | lyricnz: | Hint: don't copy the link-text, copy the linK :) |
| [06:56:50] | wagnerrp: | usually one would just click the link |
| [06:56:55] | wagnerrp: | i suppose it depends on your client |
| [06:58:19] | lyricnz: | my desktop/browser is different machine to dvb – need to cut/paste to ssh |
| [06:59:31] | trontos: | damn, now the remote works with myth, but it doesn't with irw :( :) :( |
| [07:00:29] | wagnerrp: | lyricnz: i have xchat open in a vnc client, so i cant copy and paste |
| [07:00:44] | wagnerrp: | i use http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 instead |
| [07:04:16] | fuxxy: | There's no way a replacement blaster cable is 30 bucks |
| [07:05:28] | trontos: | damn, no it stopped working |
| [07:05:31] | trontos: | <sigh> |
| [07:05:36] | trontos: | s/no/now |
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| [07:09:40] | wagnerrp: | fuxxy: yours only came with one blaster? the one i found on newegg has both |
| [07:10:00] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, mine was bundled with my laptop |
| [07:10:05] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [07:11:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812123507 |
| [07:11:59] | wagnerrp: | although i would call the manufacturer to see if its compatible |
| [07:12:18] | wagnerrp: | although if the 1/8" jack is standard, maybe the hauppauge blaster will work |
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| [07:33:39] | lyricnz: | dvb-usb: bulk message failed: -110 (4/0) cxusb: i2c read failed ??? |
| [07:34:12] | lyricnz: | Gave up on the WinFast 1000S we discussed before, bought another card, dvico dual digital 4. |
| [07:34:31] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: how do we limit to one core? Or is that related to the error? |
| [07:35:23] | wagnerrp: | use taskset |
| [07:36:14] | wagnerrp: | should be in the schedutils package |
| [07:36:17] | lyricnz: | are those errors related? |
| [07:36:34] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [07:36:47] | wagnerrp: | i just know the built in scanner doesnt work well on SMP machines |
| [07:36:55] | wagnerrp: | at least one certain cards |
| [07:37:18] | lyricnz: | It worked fine on my machine, fwiw (amd x2) |
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| [08:20:09] | trontos: | on Ubuntu, how is REMOTE_DEVICE defined for /etc/init.d/lirc? |
| [08:23:54] | trontos: | ah, hardware.conf! |
| [08:23:55] | trontos: | sweet |
| [08:26:21] | sid3windr: | dude |
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| [08:37:46] | wagnerrp: | where does 'wicked' fall in there |
| [08:37:55] | ** trontos thinks 80s ** | |
| [08:38:00] | trontos: | wicked dude |
| [08:39:04] | sid3windr: | where's my car dude :> |
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| [09:15:03] | tmiw_: | haha |
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| [09:15:21] | styelz: | danger mouse |
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| [10:05:05] | Dibblah: | Argh. Nooooo – The thread was dying an undignified death all on it's own – Why poke at it? :( |
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| [10:30:24] | mad-sci: | hi |
| [10:31:23] | mad-sci: | as I understand the backend doesn't have to be ultrapowerful, right? In fact ppl strive to make fanless backends |
| [10:33:11] | at0m|c: | mad-sci, my backed has lotsa disks and cooling in the basement. fanless frontend in the living room would be nice |
| [10:33:42] | directhex: | mad-sci, the backend needs lots of disk space. disks are noisy |
| [10:34:03] | wagnerrp: | a fanless frontend is almost unachievable |
| [10:34:41] | wagnerrp: | since linux has no real hardware accelerated video decompression, you have to run on a hot processor |
| [10:34:57] | wagnerrp: | more so if youre doing HD and h.264 |
| [10:35:49] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean you cannot get it so the fans you do have are below the ambient noise level |
| [10:36:13] | wagnerrp: | and when you consider its going to be sitting next to a tv making noise, you really dont need to get it that quiet |
| [10:36:53] | wagnerrp: | usually a nice big aftermarket heatsink and an undervolted fan, along with a low power video card, does great |
| [10:39:17] | mad-sci: | mm.. then I got it backwards, I thought the backend was the capture card and front end was the powerful one doing the heavy video and graphics cards stuff |
| [10:39:33] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [10:39:56] | wagnerrp: | with mpeg encoders and digital tuners, the backend requires next to no power to record, just large amounts of disk space |
| [10:40:08] | mad-sci: | what if I have a separate box for storage? |
| [10:40:18] | directhex: | to what end? |
| [10:40:21] | wagnerrp: | although if you want to do transcoding or commercial flagging, you need considerable power in the backend |
| [10:40:29] | mad-sci: | to store everything? |
| [10:40:46] | directhex: | the point with the backend is, it doesn't matter where it is physically, so it can go anywhere – incluyding places noise doesn't matter] |
| [10:40:52] | mad-sci: | and commercial flagging is? |
| [10:41:01] | wagnerrp: | scan the video and flag commercials |
| [10:41:12] | wagnerrp: | to allow for automatic commercial skipping or notification |
| [10:41:19] | mad-sci: | ah,, |
| [10:42:06] | mad-sci: | tv tuner goes into the backend , right? |
| [10:42:13] | wagnerrp: | the frontend needs considerable power for decoding, but video card is pretty much irrelevant, since there is no hardware decoding |
| [10:42:17] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [10:42:40] | wagnerrp: | while the backend can be otherwise weak |
| [10:43:07] | mad-sci: | that's what I am trying to achieve |
| [10:43:45] | mad-sci: | can't the flagging and transcoding be relegated to the frontend? |
| [10:43:55] | wagnerrp: | in a sense |
| [10:44:06] | wagnerrp: | you can run a tunerless slave backing on the frontend |
| [10:44:13] | wagnerrp: | or, you can run a job queue on the frontend |
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| [10:44:56] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue is basically the backend binary with all the extra stuff necessary for recording stripped out of it |
| [10:47:53] | mad-sci: | argh.. |
| [10:48:28] | mad-sci: | what sort of hardware would need the slave? |
| [10:49:17] | wagnerrp: | a slave backend is just like a normal backend |
| [10:49:32] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards (not much use running a backend without tuners) |
| [10:49:42] | wagnerrp: | hard drives, or network storage |
| [10:50:01] | wagnerrp: | minimal processor, to large processor, depending on what kind of tasks you want to run |
| [10:51:22] | wagnerrp: | the slave backend exists so that you can have a second box to hold tuners if you run out of space in the first, or want to put a box near your satellite/antenna to reduce cable length |
| [10:52:03] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, theres not much use to running a slave backend, you would probably be better off just running the job queue |
| [10:54:29] | mad-sci: | aha |
| [10:54:48] | mad-sci: | can I use a micro atx for backend? |
| [10:55:09] | clev: | ive got a 400mhz system acting as my master backend |
| [10:55:12] | wagnerrp: | sure... although its of limited worth |
| [10:55:17] | clev: | and a 133mhz as a nfs based storage group |
| [10:55:30] | wagnerrp: | those SFF boards usually have limited expansion slots and drive ports |
| [10:56:27] | clev: | i have psysical room in my 400mhz for another 3 drives, but the bios doesnt like them |
| [10:56:39] | clev: | i had to shove 1 into a usb enclosure and another into a damn old system :P |
| [10:56:50] | wagnerrp: | but for a starter mythtv system, it should be perfectly fine |
| [10:57:02] | gpd: | I lost my /home drive. I setup using mythbuntu-control-panel – to auto login and stat mythbuntu session – but it just comes up with a standard XFCE desktop and doesn't run mythfrontend. |
| [10:57:05] | wagnerrp: | clev: thats because your shitty ass 400MHz system doesnt support 48-bit LBA |
| [10:57:06] | gpd: | my .dmrc file is ok – now lost as to how to fix. |
| [10:57:13] | wagnerrp: | get a controller card and theyll work just fine |
| [10:57:27] | clev: | wagnerrp: i have a ISA based ide controler :P |
| [10:57:46] | wagnerrp: | its doubtful your ISA based controller supports 48-bit LBA |
| [10:57:52] | clev: | but it can only be primary or secondary, so i cant get it to act as a 3rd controler |
| [10:58:01] | clev: | which means disabling one of the onboard ones |
| [10:58:09] | clev: | and yes its probly way too old to use for that anyways |
| [10:58:34] | mad-sci: | lmao@shitty ass 400MHz system |
| [10:58:49] | wagnerrp: | it probably only supports MW4 (16.6MB/s) or something |
| [10:59:00] | wagnerrp: | what was the bandwidth limit on ISA? |
| [10:59:08] | clev: | its a P2 |
| [10:59:10] | mad-sci: | lol |
| [10:59:21] | mad-sci: | wtf running stuff on ISA? |
| [10:59:26] | clev: | and it probly cant even do dma |
| [10:59:42] | clev: | mad-sci: i was using the card in a 100mhz system many years ago |
| [10:59:49] | wagnerrp: | mad-sci: we buy new systems with ISA slots at work |
| [10:59:50] | clev: | the onboard floppy controler couldnt boot from 90% of the boot disks |
| [10:59:57] | mad-sci: | what memory uses that PRAM?? |
| [11:00:26] | wagnerrp: | we have some old but very nice ISA A/D cards |
| [11:00:41] | clev: | yeah those would be nice to play with |
| [11:01:05] | mad-sci: | ISA still usefull oO |
| [11:01:05] | clev: | though you can abuse the game port on the pc for a small number of a/d lines |
| [11:01:17] | clev: | but i think the protocol for that was horid |
| [11:01:23] | wagnerrp: | oh wow, only 5.3MB/s |
| [11:01:40] | clev: | something about polling the port every so often, and the reading over time is the analog level |
| [11:02:07] | clev: | the faster you poll, the faster you kill some capacitor thats being slowly charged by the analog level |
| [11:03:14] | mad-sci: | let me get the picture a little bit: backend=tuner card; frontend=transcoding+graphics card |
| [11:03:38] | wagnerrp: | backend: tuner card, transcoding, comm flagging, any other user jobs |
| [11:03:46] | wagnerrp: | frontend: playback (with graphics card) |
| [11:04:22] | wagnerrp: | but as i said, you can run a jobqueue on the frontend machine, providing transcoding, comm flagging, and other jobs |
| [11:04:54] | clev: | my main problem with doing that, if you shut the frontend down mid way thru a job |
| [11:05:12] | clev: | the job wont resume or restart on another system, it gets tied to the hostname it was on |
| [11:05:26] | wagnerrp: | well you just run 'top' before doing so, so you can tell if its doing something |
| [11:05:27] | clev: | which has to start the job from scratch anyways next time its booted |
| [11:05:43] | clev: | yes but thats not something you can teach your 'wife' to do :P |
| [11:06:00] | wagnerrp: | well you just have to teach your wife not to turn the damn thing off |
| [11:06:06] | clev: | they just want to be able to pull the cord out of the wall anytime they arent using it |
| [11:06:33] | wagnerrp: | what kind of crazy bitch thinks its alright to pull the cord out of things? |
| [11:06:50] | wagnerrp: | does your mom run around the house arbitrarily unplugging TVs? |
| [11:06:54] | clev: | some devices continue to suck several watts of power when 'off' |
| [11:07:03] | clev: | the tv in my kitchen takes ~5 watts when 'off' |
| [11:08:00] | mad-sci: | LMAO@mom run |
| [11:08:03] | mad-sci: | around the house |
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| [11:08:14] | mad-sci: | arbitrarily unplugging TVs |
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| [11:08:36] | clev: | the problem would be more about unpluging the frontend computer behind the tv :P |
| [11:08:50] | mad-sci: | you are complaining about 5 watts? what do you want? |
| [11:09:09] | clev: | its just an example that a wife may make a fuss over :P |
| [11:09:27] | clev: | who here knows how they think! |
| [11:09:47] | mad-sci: | lmao |
| [11:09:57] | mad-sci: | I don't have a wife |
| [11:10:19] | mad-sci: | anyways women are odd |
| [11:10:25] | clev: | same :P |
| [11:10:40] | mad-sci: | but I like them :) |
| [11:10:41] | clev: | brb |
| [11:11:58] | mad-sci: | doesn't modern graphics card do hardware decoding? |
| [11:12:05] | wagnerrp: | not in linux |
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| [11:12:59] | wagnerrp: | theres promise of hardware decoding in the near future, but people have been saying that for years |
| [11:13:32] | wagnerrp: | ATI is close to releasing UVD support for linux |
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| [11:13:55] | wagnerrp: | but as it stands right now, their drivers are buggy shit |
| [11:13:58] | clev: | my 400mhz can handle mpeg2/4 without much trouble |
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| [11:14:09] | mad-sci: | lol |
| [11:14:12] | clev: | so i dont realy need hardware decoding |
| [11:14:23] | wagnerrp: | it can handle mpeg2 SD, i highly doubt it can handle divx/xvid |
| [11:14:27] | clev: | and i cant capture digital so i dont get any 264 |
| [11:14:54] | wagnerrp: | and in the US, youre not going to get h.264 from digital anyway |
| [11:15:11] | clev: | canada :P |
| [11:15:19] | wagnerrp: | US-north |
| [11:15:20] | mad-sci: | what about the new stuff about using GPU cards for general computing? I heard they are good for tasks like encoding |
| [11:15:36] | clev: | the 400mhz is playing a 'ffodivx' file right now with no trouble |
| [11:15:43] | clev: | A: 31.5 V: 31.5 A-V: 0.000 ct: 0.015 756/756 29% 0% 3.4% 0 0 48% |
| [11:15:51] | wagnerrp: | at what resolution/bitrate? |
| [11:16:03] | clev: | VDec: vo config request – 640 x 480 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12) |
| [11:16:12] | clev: | VIDEO: [XVID] 640x480 24bpp 23.976 fps 834.2 kbps (101.8 kbyte/s) |
| [11:16:45] | wagnerrp: | mad-sci: several months ago, there was comment on slashdot about some CUDA based h.264 decoder being written for the nouveau drivers |
| [11:16:50] | wagnerrp: | but i havent heard anything since |
| [11:17:23] | wagnerrp: | clev: i suppose decoders have gotten more efficient since the last time i tried to use a computer that old |
| [11:17:35] | clev: | wagnerrp: -vo null helps reduce usage also:P |
| [11:17:43] | clev: | (no x server on the box) |
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| [11:17:59] | wagnerrp: | well that doesnt really count then now does it |
| [11:18:27] | clev: | but its only using 30% of the power on video decoding |
| [11:18:31] | clev: | enless the video output takes 60%, it aint having trouble |
| [11:19:03] | wagnerrp: | my laptop on windows speedstepped at 700MHz used to be at about its limit |
| [11:19:27] | wagnerrp: | although that may have been partially because i was running at 1600x1200 |
| [11:19:32] | clev: | the basement laptop can go 700mhz or 1ghz |
| [11:19:35] | wagnerrp: | it did handle video better if i cut the resolution |
| [11:19:47] | clev: | the only 264 it can handle is low res stuff |
| [11:19:59] | clev: | and lately, xv cant even display the high res stuff |
| [11:20:04] | clev: | no video buffer room! |
| [11:20:46] | clev: | bbl, shower |
| [11:20:56] | wagnerrp: | gallium3d |
| [11:21:04] | wagnerrp: | one of the GSoC projects |
| [11:22:16] | mad-sci: | my laptop piii 1100MHz is stuttering with a mp4 youtube video |
| [11:22:26] | mad-sci: | I use mplayer |
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| [11:23:05] | mad-sci: | I've found out that -vo xv is the best one resource wise |
| [11:23:30] | wagnerrp: | '-vo xv' is absolutely the best one to use for outputting to X |
| [11:23:57] | wagnerrp: | Xv provides hardware video scaling |
| [11:24:07] | ** mad-sci googles gallium3d ** | |
| [11:30:27] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to bring motion compensation and iDCT to any video card with a programmable shader |
| [11:30:49] | wagnerrp: | but currently, only mo comp is supported, and only on the NV40 (geforce 6-series) |
| [11:31:38] | wagnerrp: | theres no mention of what video formats are accelerated either |
| [11:31:53] | wagnerrp: | whether its just mpeg2 or ASP and AVC as well |
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| [11:41:07] | justinh: | well well well. another daylight savings change and nothing to do about it :) |
| [11:45:28] | clev: | mad-sci: -vo xv is the default for most systems |
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| [11:46:11] | ultrasonyk: | hi all |
| [11:46:18] | ultrasonyk: | what video source do i need for analog (not digital) cable tv. i have chosen the DVB 3.x card (i've a hauppauge 1100), but i rather think that this is for HDTV? |
| [11:46:52] | ultrasonyk: | i assume i need the first card option – analog and use the "television" input for my video source? |
| [11:54:04] | ultrasonyk: | anybody:? |
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| [12:03:41] | sphery: | ultrasonyk: for analog capture, the old standby's are the Hauppauge PVR-x50 |
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| [12:04:13] | sphery: | ultrasonyk: but, now, you can't buy those and (one of?) the HVR- line works |
| [12:04:14] | mrintegr1ty: | can intel drivers do xvmc for 1080p bluray content? |
| [12:04:33] | mrintegr1ty: | bearing in mind that i dont really know what im talking about :) |
| [12:04:36] | sphery: | mrintegr1ty: if blu-ray = H.264, probably not |
| [12:04:54] | mrintegr1ty: | thats what i was wondering |
| [12:04:55] | sphery: | if blu-ray = MPEG-2, then probably |
| [12:05:28] | mrintegr1ty: | i have no idea |
| [12:05:31] | mrintegr1ty: | does it? |
| [12:06:20] | sphery: | both are options for blu-ray creator |
| [12:06:37] | mrintegr1ty: | oh i see |
| [12:06:39] | sphery: | ultrasonyk: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card and--more importantly--see the V4L wiki for a list of working cards |
| [12:08:10] | mrintegr1ty: | im really bumbling around in the dark here lol |
| [12:08:18] | sphery: | ultrasonyk: also, there are people on this channel who know which HVR cards will (and which won't) work, but they're probably not around, now |
| [12:08:47] | sphery: | mrintegr1ty: best bet for playing back blu-ray is to buy the most powerful processor available. :) |
| [12:10:37] | sphery: | note, though, that the speed of each core will likely be very important--i.e. don't necessarily get a 4-slow-processor quad core over a 2-fast-processor dual core |
| [12:10:55] | sphery: | and, really, the best bet is to find someone who has made it work and find out what they're using and if it's enough |
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| [12:14:01] | mrintegr1ty: | sphery: ok, does not the ati/nvidia driver do hardware decoding? |
| [12:14:25] | justinh: | mrintegr1ty: nope |
| [12:14:46] | justinh: | best you get in linux right now is SOME mpeg2 help with nvidia's xvmc in their binary driver |
| [12:14:53] | mrintegr1ty: | ffs |
| [12:15:00] | justinh: | intel supports some features but not enough to make much difference |
| [12:15:05] | mrintegr1ty: | I thought the intel driver was getting some of these features |
| [12:15:06] | mrintegr1ty: | ahha |
| [12:15:24] | justinh: | some via chipsets ALLEGEDLY help with mpeg2 HD but most are only any use (and limited use at that) at SDTV |
| [12:15:43] | justinh: | oh don't get me wrong it's all coming eventually, so it's said |
| [12:15:43] | mrintegr1ty: | is this different on windows? does windows drivers have better hw accel? |
| [12:16:17] | justinh: | put it this way, the only hw acceleration of video decoding of note is in windows at the moment |
| [12:16:53] | mrintegr1ty: | so im wondering what to go for, this board and stick with onboard gfx: http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherb . . . overview.htm or get a discrete graphics card (if it wont accelerate the video decompression anyway then there is no point right? |
| [12:17:23] | justinh: | right |
| [12:17:34] | justinh: | just get a CPU with MOAR MHZ |
| [12:17:52] | justinh: | but note that more cores are only useful right now when the encoding is in slices |
| [12:18:03] | mrintegr1ty: | and that depends on what? |
| [12:18:09] | justinh: | on the encoding |
| [12:18:16] | mrintegr1ty: | either mpeg2 or 4 then? |
| [12:18:23] | justinh: | either |
| [12:18:37] | justinh: | though just about any modern CPU will just eat mpeg2 HD |
| [12:18:42] | mrintegr1ty: | yeah |
| [12:18:46] | justinh: | > 2.4Ghz single core or so IIRC |
| [12:18:57] | mrintegr1ty: | what is commonly used now then? i guess everyone is moving to h264 |
| [12:19:19] | justinh: | for mpeg2. h.264 is a bitch to decode by comparison, especially the formats used in broadcast (europe, not US/Canada) & BD |
| [12:20:09] | justinh: | difficulty decoding h.264 is usually down to the sheer bitrate & complexity of stuff like AVC |
| [12:20:13] | mrintegr1ty: | what about a E8600 at 3.33GHx? |
| [12:20:20] | mrintegr1ty: | whats avc? |
| [12:20:28] | justinh: | advanced video coding |
| [12:20:29] | mrintegr1ty: | GHz* |
| [12:21:02] | justinh: | one of the features of h.264. vastly increases the horses needed to decode it but produces better quality in relation to bitrate |
| [12:21:13] | mrintegr1ty: | ok |
| [12:21:22] | mrintegr1ty: | i heard it was very high quality low bitrate |
| [12:21:46] | mrintegr1ty: | u think that cpu would do it? |
| [12:21:50] | mrintegr1ty: | it's like the best dual core |
| [12:21:53] | mrintegr1ty: | afaik |
| [12:21:53] | justinh: | put it this way your typical 'rip' you might get from various sources will be much easier to play than REAL (i.e broadcast or direct from disc) h.264 |
| [12:22:06] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [12:22:16] | mrintegr1ty: | yeah but i just got a kickass new tv and want the best possible input for it :D |
| [12:22:21] | justinh: | with 'the best' you'd obviously stand the best chance |
| [12:22:27] | mrintegr1ty: | lol true |
| [12:22:32] | justinh: | there are no guarantees |
| [12:22:54] | mrintegr1ty: | but, xvmc will be there for h264 on linux at some point |
| [12:23:01] | mrintegr1ty: | probably' |
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| [12:23:16] | justinh: | probably not. xvmc is looking to be replaced by a new API apparently |
| [12:23:22] | mrintegr1ty: | oh |
| [12:23:34] | justinh: | but yeah – acceleration will no doubt come to linux. just a question of time & manpower |
| [12:23:54] | sphery: | mrintegr1ty: even if there is hardware offload available (such as XvMC or VAAPI or some other future one), your /best/ bet is to not use it and use MOAR GHZ |
| [12:24:12] | mrintegr1ty: | why? |
| [12:24:13] | sphery: | with cpu (software) decoding, you get the most control |
| [12:24:18] | mrintegr1ty: | sorry for dumb questions |
| [12:24:20] | mrintegr1ty: | ok |
| [12:24:20] | sphery: | you can do things that you can't do without |
| [12:24:24] | mrintegr1ty: | like what? |
| [12:25:20] | sphery: | for example, xvmc limits myth's ability to draw the OSD, so you get black and white, unless you enable a hack with makes it a single color + either black or white |
| [12:25:36] | mrintegr1ty: | lol |
| [12:25:55] | sphery: | and much other stuff |
| [12:26:51] | sphery: | you're also limited in your choice of deinterlacers |
| [12:27:25] | sphery: | (which is very important for OTA content, especially in the US, where all broadcasters except Fox and ABC use interlaced modes) |
| [12:28:21] | mrintegr1ty: | ok, but with cpu decoding then the software can do this np |
| [12:29:40] | sphery: | think of it this way--with CPU decoding, we provide the software, with XvMC (or equivalent) we're stuck using someone else's software for part of it (really, there's no such thing as "hardware" decoding in 90% of the cases people talk about "hardware" decoding, it's just software running on some processor other than the CPU) |
| [12:30:06] | mrintegr1ty: | yeah |
| [12:31:33] | justinh: | hw deinterlacing is a mooted feature of the new VAAPI though, but dont hold your breath ;) |
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| [12:32:25] | mrintegr1ty: | what about with coreavc? do you guys use that? |
| [12:32:37] | sphery: | nope |
| [12:32:46] | sphery: | again, MOAR GHz... :) |
| [12:32:56] | mrintegr1ty: | due to it's proprietary nature or jsut because you dont? :) |
| [12:33:46] | sphery: | IMHO, hardware decoding support is a promise that's always hanging around when it could be useful, but by the time it's available, there will be no need for it (i.e. processors and decoding software will have advanced to the point that it's no longer required) |
| [12:33:59] | mrintegr1ty: | sounds good to me |
| [12:34:09] | Maliuta: | anyone know if Canada is DVB-T or ASTC? |
| [12:34:30] | sphery: | I don't use CoreAVC because I don't use MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, so I don't need it. Even if I could use it, I probably wouldn't because it's proprietary. |
| [12:35:49] | sphery: | Maliuta: don't know, but I'm pretty sure that Canada was pretty much stuck choosing ATSC because of the long border next to the US (around which a lot of people like to watch the broadcasts from nearby US cities) |
| [12:36:40] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_Standards : ATSC Standards document a digital television format that will have replaced the analog NTSC television system[1] by February 17, 2009 in the United States,[2] and August 31, 2011 in Canada. |
| [12:37:08] | sphery: | though, whether you have any ATSC channels available in your area is a whole different question |
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| [12:38:31] | mchou: | just avoid hvr cards |
| [12:39:51] | mchou: | get a card that has xc5000 tuner(s), like Dvico HDTVFusion Dual or Pinnacle PCTV HD |
| [12:40:15] | mchou: | fewer issues, better tuning, just works |
| [12:41:21] | mchou: | not to mention cooler and smaller than virtually all HVRs |
| [12:44:35] | Maliuta: | sphery: doh! was hoping to get away with taking at least one of my DVB-T tuners with me from .au to .ca in December |
| [12:48:57] | mchou: | Maliuta: if you invested in a tuner with xc5000 that would have been no problem |
| [12:48:58] | ** laga installing mythbuntu 8.10 RC ** | |
| [12:49:11] | ** laga is not looking forward to sorting his channels again :) ** | |
| [12:49:47] | mchou: | Maliuta: yet another benefit to the xc5000 tuner |
| [12:50:37] | mchou: | Maliuta: single chip solution that does virtually all formats |
| [12:50:45] | laga: | i will incorporate parts of my old database into the new one |
| [12:50:48] | laga: | this is going to be fun |
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| [12:53:45] | Maliuta: | mchou: and exactly which tuners would have that chipset? |
| [12:53:55] | Maliuta: | mchou: that are available retail in .au? |
| [12:54:57] | mchou: | Dvico Fusions should be available in .au |
| [12:56:10] | mchou: | Maliuta: I still think you're probably better off purchasing in .ca (lower prices on HW) |
| [12:56:45] | mchou: | it suck to by HW in .au |
| [12:57:04] | Maliuta: | mchou: I'll keep an eye out, I have a couple of days in Edmonton before we head up to Fort Mac |
| [12:57:46] | mchou: | ewww. Edmonton. No deals there. Too rich in oil $ |
| [12:59:56] | Maliuta: | mchou: well fort macmurray would be worse |
| [13:00:06] | Maliuta: | it's 4 hours drive north |
| [13:00:23] | mchou: | Dvico fusions are cool because the HW has a rtc that can wake up your computer |
| [13:00:47] | mchou: | Maliuta: you in canada now? |
| [13:01:00] | Maliuta: | mchou: no, going to visit my parents for xmas |
| [13:01:10] | Maliuta: | they live there, I live here |
| [13:01:19] | mchou: | although I dont know if the linux deriver support that rtc |
| [13:01:46] | Maliuta: | the rtc would proably need a separate driver |
| [13:01:47] | mchou: | it would be cool if the linux driver supported the rtc in conjunction with myth |
| [13:02:13] | Maliuta: | rtc is a whole different part of the kernel to the dvb stuff |
| [13:02:17] | justinh: | Maliuta: AFAIK canada uses ATSC like the USA does – at least for over the air HD |
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| [13:02:56] | `migo`: | hi |
| [13:03:43] | `migo`: | where do i get teh mythtv devel rpms for suse ? |
| [13:04:14] | Maliuta: | from a suse repository? |
| [13:04:24] | `migo`: | good idea Maliuta... |
| [13:04:40] | Maliuta: | how about you grab sources an make your own |
| [13:04:50] | Maliuta: | rpms aren't hard to roll |
| [13:04:59] | `migo`: | you mean the tarbal ? |
| [13:05:08] | `migo`: | okies... from where ? |
| [13:05:12] | `migo`: | mythtv.org ? |
| [13:05:23] | Maliuta: | although I'd rather shoot myself in the head than use an rpm based system by choice |
| [13:05:26] | `migo`: | and where to unpack them ? |
| [13:05:46] | Maliuta: | /usr/src? ~/src? /? |
| [13:06:36] | Maliuta: | I think you should at least know how to build software before looking for anything your distro isn't supporting |
| [13:07:17] | `migo`: | my prob is that i need to reinstall mythmusic |
| [13:07:40] | `migo`: | got the tarball and unpacked it, but as i wanted to install it,i got lots of errors |
| [13:08:06] | justinh: | `migo`: don't use tarballs from mythtv.org – they're not up to date |
| [13:08:34] | justinh: | install subversion & grab a checkout of 0.21-fixes as the instructions at svn.mythtv.org describe |
| [13:08:40] | `migo`: | its the 0.21 version.... the one i use |
| [13:08:49] | justinh: | yeah but the one in svn is more up to date |
| [13:08:53] | justinh: | like WAY more up to date |
| [13:09:29] | `migo`: | but i doubt if i unpack them into /usr/local/src/* that my prob about comipling mythmusic by myself will be solved :( |
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| [13:10:13] | `migo`: | will you be here for a bit justinh then i will tell my prob from the begining.... |
| [13:10:38] | justinh: | you're probably missing one of the dependencies |
| [13:11:07] | `migo`: | i have mythtv already installed... |
| [13:11:14] | justinh: | post the whole of the output from 'make' in a pastebin |
| [13:11:46] | justinh: | did you install mythtv from source too? |
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| [13:12:03] | `migo`: | but it turns down when i want to listen a song and it has to do wiht teh visualization plugins of libvisual |
| [13:12:08] | justinh: | you really are advised to check out a more up to date version of 0.21 from svn |
| [13:12:42] | justinh: | the tarballs on mythtv.org are now several months out of date! |
| [13:12:44] | `migo`: | i got told here by cesman and iamlindro that the versions of libvisual and mythmusic are not correct and that i have to reinstall mythmusic to solve this prob |
| [13:13:10] | `migo`: | this is what im trying to do now.... |
| [13:13:53] | justinh: | libvisual stuff makes my own mythmusic crash |
| [13:14:02] | justinh: | so I don't use the libvisual crap |
| [13:14:23] | `migo`: | sorry to say,... but this makes me somewhat happy that im not the only one who has this probs |
| [13:14:43] | `migo`: | but the visualizing modules myth brings wiht it are not any nice... but rather ugly |
| [13:14:48] | justinh: | true |
| [13:14:55] | justinh: | but better they be ugly than crashy ;) |
| [13:15:13] | justinh: | anyway, if you have problems when you run make, post the entire output of the make command into a pastebin |
| [13:15:37] | `migo`: | what is a pastebin ? |
| [13:15:46] | `migo`: | i can copy the output to here... |
| [13:15:49] | justinh: | www.pastebin.ca www.pastebin.com etc |
| [13:15:50] | justinh: | NO |
| [13:15:50] | Maliuta: | www.pastebin.ca |
| [13:16:11] | Maliuta: | `migo`: you're suicidal |
| [13:16:16] | justinh: | do not try & cherry pick lines from the error output |
| [13:16:25] | justinh: | we need to see every error in context |
| [13:16:58] | `migo`: | this gets bigger adn bigger... doptn know what pastebin is... and need to learn about this as well to copy a few lines... |
| [13:17:02] | `migo`: | okies.. wait then |
| [13:17:35] | justinh: | don't paste more than 3 lines here, or you'll not be very popular & people will likely put you on ignore |
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| [13:21:23] | `migo`: | i have the output of ./configure --enable-mythmusic |
| [13:21:44] | `migo`: | and that i can copy and paste ito the website you told me ? |
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| [13:23:01] | `migo`: | now this is a nice thingie :) |
| [13:23:11] | `migo`: | here is the url : http://www.pastebin.ca/1236899 |
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| [13:24:05] | justinh: | MythMusic requires taglib 1.4 or later. |
| [13:24:22] | justinh: | you need to install > taglib1.4-dev or whatever your distro calls it |
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| [13:25:03] | justinh_: | bah |
| [13:25:11] | `migo`: | huh ? |
| [13:25:14] | justinh_: | that is, not just the binary version of taglib |
| [13:25:22] | justinh_: | you need the dev headers etc |
| [13:26:11] | `migo`: | installing those righ tnow |
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| [13:26:45] | `migo`: | installed... trying again to compile |
| [13:27:20] | justinh: | some distros have a nice feature where you can grab all source dependencies too :) |
| [13:27:25] | `migo`: | now it says i need libmad and libcdaudio |
| [13:27:35] | justinh: | ubuntu has apt-get build-dep :) |
| [13:27:39] | `migo`: | i will install those as well..... brb |
| [13:27:45] | `migo`: | yes and suse has yast |
| [13:27:46] | justinh: | yup keep going :) |
| [13:30:38] | `migo`: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1236903 |
| [13:31:37] | justinh: | well are you using the right prefix? is mythtv installed to /usr/local or just /usr ? |
| [13:32:32] | `migo`: | um... where do i this ? |
| [13:32:46] | justinh: | ./configure --prefix=$foo |
| [13:33:05] | justinh: | use 'which mythfrontend' if you can't remember which prefix you used before |
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| [13:33:29] | `migo`: | i havent installed it wiht the tarball,but yast using the rpms |
| [13:33:37] | justinh: | oh hell |
| [13:33:43] | justinh: | you can't mix source & packages |
| [13:34:18] | `migo`: | in /usr/share is a directory called mythth |
| [13:34:25] | `migo`: | so it should be installed there |
| [13:34:29] | justinh: | you can't mix source & packages |
| [13:34:29] | `migo`: | i gues.... |
| [13:34:39] | laga: | does anyone here use firefox to edit their channel table in mythtv? it takes *ages* to send the update table |
| [13:34:47] | laga: | err, updated* |
| [13:35:39] | `migo`: | as i said before....i got told yesterday to reinstall mythmusic to fix this prob wiht the wrong versions of mythmusic and libvisual |
| [13:36:03] | justinh: | yes but installing mythmusic from source when you have mythtv installed from packages is just pure folly |
| [13:36:21] | `migo`: | lol :) |
| [13:36:41] | `migo`: | and doing what from this point on ? |
| [13:37:16] | `migo`: | avoid using the libvisual modules ? |
| [13:37:23] | justinh: | uninstall all the mythtv packages, install subversion then go to http://svn.mythtv.org & follow the instructions to build 0.21-fixes from source |
| [13:37:36] | justinh: | that's what I would do |
| [13:37:41] | laga: | and grab a nice cup of coffee, that's going to take a while :) |
| [13:37:47] | `migo`: | sorry to say... but this is somewhat ........ mad |
| [13:37:49] | justinh: | you might have to grab a lot of dependencies though |
| [13:37:54] | justinh: | it's not mad |
| [13:38:00] | laga: | you *can* build mythmusic from source if your distro comes with a libmyth-dev package |
| [13:38:02] | justinh: | you can't mix binaries & source |
| [13:38:06] | `migo`: | it took me days to have it like it is now |
| [13:38:14] | laga: | then don't touch it :) |
| [13:38:26] | justinh: | so, either put up with not having libvisual, or do that. your choice |
| [13:38:32] | `migo`: | and using which modules to watch music ? |
| [13:38:38] | `migo`: | the myth ones ? they are ugly |
| [13:38:55] | ** justinh hands `migo` XBMC & bids him good day ** | |
| [13:39:09] | `migo`: | what ever this means... :) |
| [13:39:29] | laga: | how do you watch music? |
| [13:39:51] | `migo`: | in mythmusic are modules for visualization |
| [13:40:05] | `migo`: | the libvisual ones dont work, if i use them mythtv crashes down |
| [13:40:15] | `migo`: | only wiht the mythtv ones it works,but they are ugly as hell |
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| [13:41:09] | `migo`: | i will uninstall mythmusic and libvisual and then reboot and afterwards install them new |
| [13:41:22] | `migo`: | not sure if this works because of the dependencies.. but i will give it a try |
| [13:42:06] | justinh: | even if you have the right version of libvisual it'll fall over in my experience |
| [13:42:33] | `migo`: | i will be back later and tell what happend... |
| [13:42:35] | `migo`: | brb |
| [13:42:38] | `migo`: | quit |
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| [13:42:50] | justinh: | if I remember right, at the time the changes were checked in it was said that putting libvisual support in that way was a nasty hack |
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| [13:44:01] | laga: | bah |
| [13:44:11] | laga: | where did i put my mythconverg backup? |
| [13:44:35] | laga: | oh |
| [13:44:35] | laga: | neat |
| [13:44:41] | laga: | it's 191 bytes |
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| [13:47:05] | justinh: | grr libdvdnav is slow with discs that have a lot of chapters & cack |
| [13:47:24] | CRXLPY: | I have a possibly silly question...... I have a frontend-only setup, when I use it to initiate a transcode does the transcode take place on the (remote)backend or the (local)frontend? |
| [13:47:40] | justinh: | 'play dvd' selected, mythvideo is sitting there at a blank screen :-\ |
| [13:47:49] | justinh: | what? |
| [13:47:56] | justinh: | you can't have a frontend only setup |
| [13:48:45] | CRXLPY: | how so? |
| [13:48:53] | CRXLPY: | I do |
| [13:49:00] | justinh: | you need mythbackend |
| [13:49:07] | CRXLPY: | I do |
| [13:49:12] | CRXLPY: | have it |
| [13:49:18] | justinh: | so it's NOT a frontend-only setup then is it?! |
| [13:49:27] | laga: | rotfl |
| [13:49:30] | CRXLPY: | yes it is on the local system |
| [13:49:41] | justinh: | transcoding is only done on backends |
| [13:50:15] | CRXLPY: | the dvr(backend) is a different system, the local system only has frontend |
| [13:50:36] | CRXLPY: | thank you justinh |
| [13:51:33] | CRXLPY: | that is too bad, I was hoping the local system could be the transcoder, but alas |
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| [13:52:04] | `migo`: | looks pretty much the same as before :( |
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| [13:56:04] | justinh: | CRXLPY: you can run a slave backend on a 'frontend' machine & have that do transcoding jobs I think |
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| [13:56:40] | CRXLPY: | interesting justinh. I will read about that |
| [13:57:53] | `migo`: | weird.. some modules of libvisual seem to work, others dont |
| [13:58:06] | `migo`: | justinh... one other question ? |
| [13:58:18] | CRXLPY: | I knew I could copy the nuv's and run mythtranscode by hand , but I wanted a more user(and db) friendly method |
| [13:58:33] | justinh: | just ask the channel `migo` |
| [13:58:45] | `migo`: | sure |
| [13:59:02] | `migo`: | si there a way to delete teh songs from the myth intern database ? |
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| [13:59:10] | CRXLPY: | technically "one other question?" is one other question |
| [13:59:12] | CRXLPY: | LOL |
| [13:59:16] | `migo`: | the background is that i had some errors wiht the id3 tags |
| [13:59:48] | `migo`: | i corrected those,but i still have the wrong id3 tag info in mythmusic |
| [14:00:03] | ** justinh watches Aphex Twin – Come To Daddy ** | |
| [14:00:22] | laga: | ugh |
| [14:00:48] | laga: | importing an LVM'ed hdd into a new box is not that straight forward |
| [14:01:52] | CRXLPY: | "Come To Daddy"... is that an ep or a exclamation of satisfaction justinh? |
| [14:02:01] | CRXLPY: | or both? |
| [14:02:07] | justinh: | youtube it |
| [14:02:13] | CRXLPY: | ok |
| [14:02:15] | `migo`: | any ideas ? |
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| [14:06:50] | mchou: | CRXLPY: iirc you can send a transcode job to a frontend only machine (but my memory may be faulty) |
| [14:07:13] | mchou: | laga: sure it is |
| [14:07:31] | CRXLPY: | why is it that I never see any space used in the scale at the bottom-right when I am making a dvd in mytharchive? I have to keep tally by hand or risk making an iso that wont fit |
| [14:08:02] | mchou: | laga: remove all drives that belong to the lvm, place in new system, reboot, bob's yer uncle |
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| [14:08:54] | mchou: | laga: keep in mind lvm works via UUIDs |
| [14:09:38] | CRXLPY: | ahhhh UUIDS .....visions of sugarplums |
| [14:09:44] | mchou: | laga: so actual port (hda/hdb,etc) assignments doesnt really matter |
| [14:15:24] | `migo`: | finally.... |
| [14:15:42] | `migo`: | i found 7 modules from libvisual which work and that should be enough :) |
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| [14:19:50] | `migo`: | if i would know how ot delete a file or to activate teh changes i did,it would be just great :) |
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| [14:42:13] | killerbeesatem1: | Hello everyone, does anyone have a few to help point me in the right direction? I have a secondary backend with a tuner that doesn't want to stream to frontends. |
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| [15:06:51] | justinh: | killerbeesatem1: you can run into problems when hostnames in your myth network are the same |
| [15:08:52] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: like actual machine host names? I can watch recordings from that backend without a problem, and the frontends can see the tuner on the master backend and can stream it. It just tanks and the log just says StartRecording timed out. |
| [15:10:10] | justinh: | ah well in that case check the tuner card setup on the new backend |
| [15:11:09] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: I just noticed when playing back a recording that it keeps trying to look at the 127.0.0.1 for preview images etc.. I have the local mysql setting on the secondary backend set as this. Should I bind mysql to the external network IP and set it that way? |
| [15:11:09] | justinh: | what? |
| [15:11:09] | justinh: | you should point the slave backend at the only database server |
| [15:11:34] | justinh: | 1 mysql server. each myth backend bound to its LAN IP address |
| [15:11:47] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: Yea, the master backend setting is pointed to the database. However, in my config theres a spot for the local backend |
| [15:12:00] | justinh: | that's bad |
| [15:12:07] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: sorry i think i worded my original statement. |
| [15:12:07] | justinh: | you should point all backends at the same db server |
| [15:12:54] | justinh: | e.g. your MBE & MYSQL server are on 192.168.1.100, point the slave backend at 192.168.1.100 |
| [15:13:05] | justinh: | nothing on the SBE should be pointed at 127.0.0.1 |
| [15:13:13] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: it is, and the secondary frontend has been working fine, it just doesn't want to stream livetv over the network. Everything else functions perfectly. let me look at it again really quick, maybe i'm mis-remembering the details. |
| [15:13:41] | justinh: | if the hostnames anywhere on your myth network are duplicated it'll throw a spanner in the works |
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| [15:14:03] | justinh: | settings are stored & retrieved by machine hostname |
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| [15:17:19] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: ok. I just checked mythtv-setup, and in the first page of General, I have Local Backend (named "television") with 127.0.0.1, and then the IP of my master backend in the section underneath. Would changing the Local Backend to the external IP fix this? Or at least be a more standard way of doing things? |
| [15:17:24] | laga: | ;3~ |
| [15:17:26] | laga: | oops |
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| [15:27:27] | sphery: | killerbeesatem1: if you have more than one backend (and/or frontend), you do not use 127.0.0.1 |
| [15:27:32] | sphery: | killerbeesatem1: so, yes, change it |
| [15:35:48] | killerbeesatem1: | justinh: Excellent, thanks for the help. Probably should have read what showed up at the bottom of the screen saying exactly that...lol. |
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| [15:41:19] | justinh: | I'm saying nothing |
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| [15:52:44] | pbj: | Hey Guys. In my subtitlesmenu in LiveTV – I can chose between 4 languages, but it's not working "accepting" my requst. It keeps beeing on the default language – can I change that default language or anything else some where. |
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| [16:56:42] | Jenetik: | Anyone know where you set the aspect ratio within myth frontend? |
| [16:56:45] | Jenetik: | or is it in mythtv-setup? |
| [16:56:59] | Jenetik: | I change it using the "Program Guide" and it doesn't stay set... |
| [16:59:50] | Ribs: | It's in the settings menu in mythfrontend |
| [16:59:59] | Ribs: | under playcback I think, towards the top of one of the pages |
| [17:00:30] | Jenetik: | thanks |
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| [17:07:02] | sphery: | Jenetik: Actually Myth determines the aspect ratio from X, so you simply set up X properly and it will display video properly. You can specify an aspect ratio /override/ but you probably shouldn't because it will mean some of your shows will not display properly... Not that you're actually still here, though... |
| [17:08:05] | sphery: | pbj: how are you "submitting" the request? Try both right arrow and space and/or enter. |
| [17:08:34] | sphery: | pbj: note, though, that doing so only changes for the current playback, so you'll have to keep doing that |
| [17:08:48] | sphery: | pbj: otherwise, set your language settings properly in settings |
| [17:09:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Not very right-minded of you |
| [17:10:04] | sphery: | that's me... Not right-thinking... |
| [17:10:31] | sphery: | my response is still sitting in my Drafts folder (where, if I'm good, it will remain) |
| [17:10:57] | sphery: | I just don't get why he can't figure out that the Set Priorities page is useful for, er, setting priorities. |
| [17:11:18] | iamlindoro: | and nary a patch in sight from Mr UI |
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| [17:11:53] | sphery: | just because it can also be used to get a list of rules, which can be used to go to a /different/ screen (the scheduled recording editor) to edit recordings doesn't mean it should be called "edit recordings" |
| [17:12:03] | sphery: | yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll be the one creating the patch |
| [17:12:07] | sphery: | and, it will be done right |
| [17:12:11] | sphery: | and, it will go in |
| [17:12:31] | sphery: | and he will say, "See, idiot, I was right--it was a stupid name" |
| [17:14:05] | iamlindoro: | Some people like to be the big fish in the little pond |
| [17:15:11] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:16:23] | pbj: | sphery: I've tried both arrows/enter & space – and they aren't reacting. My default Language in setting are danish. |
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