| Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:12] | sphery: | shiftplusone: either use the asoundrc from the wiki (with mixed-analog or mixed-digital) or delete the /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc and specify ALSA:default for the Myth audio output device. |
| [00:00:22] | shiftplusone: | sphery, http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:w6KE9LNc . . . =1&gl=au |
| [00:00:47] | shiftplusone: | sphery, I've figured it out, just had to make sure ALSA was used. |
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| [00:01:17] | wagnerrp: | shiftplusone: thats not the way to copy/paste a link from google |
| [00:01:41] | wagnerrp: | besides, the gentoo wiki has been down for a couple days now |
| [00:01:45] | shiftplusone: | well >.>... the gentoo wiki is down so I had to use the cache. |
| [00:02:08] | shiftplusone: | was I meant to use tinyurl or something? |
| [00:02:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought that was just the search link |
| [00:02:25] | Ace2016: | hi all |
| [00:02:28] | wagnerrp: | didnt realize it was the cache |
| [00:02:37] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I noticed that newegg is selling the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 for $200 AR. |
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| [00:02:41] | Ace2016: | quick question, is vuze legal? the stuff on the dashboard? |
| [00:03:20] | wagnerrp: | sometimes when you do a google search, it gives you a garbage internal link like that |
| [00:03:21] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016, Vuze == Azureus == just a Sittorrent client |
| [00:03:23] | wagnerrp: | i thought thats what that was |
| [00:03:42] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, nice. I'm pretty happy with it (needed to update BIOS to use the Q9650 though) |
| [00:03:44] | shiftplusone: | wagnerrp, happens. |
| [00:03:52] | iamlindoro: | er Bittorrent |
| [00:03:57] | Ace2016: | but the new dashboard content is that legal? |
| [00:04:00] | shiftplusone: | sphery, thanks for replying... I just didn't google enough before asking. |
| [00:04:22] | sphery: | was wondering if Sittorent was some new + improved Bittorrent |
| [00:04:33] | iamlindoro: | Dunno what a dashboard is in the context of bittorrent. If it's video material they promote, then yes, it probably is |
| [00:04:52] | iamlindoro: | From looking, looks like trailers and short clips-- yes, likely all legal |
| [00:05:18] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I briefly considered amending it ao s**ttorrent in an effort to it seem like I meant to do that |
| [00:05:37] | ** sphery still can't believe the high-def Serenity trailers that required a license + WMP to play... ** | |
| [00:05:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: lol |
| [00:05:53] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of which, Firefly on blu ray comes next month |
| [00:06:18] | wagnerrp: | the series, or the movie? |
| [00:06:24] | iamlindoro: | series |
| [00:06:29] | iamlindoro: | movie is long since out in HD |
| [00:06:39] | sphery: | I have it on DVD... Until I have something that can play BD-ROM my way, I'm not touching Blu-Ray |
| [00:06:57] | wagnerrp: | i might have to finally buy a copy |
| [00:07:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery, The extra minute or two firing up a VM to rip BD is the tiniest of inconveniences, really |
| [00:07:23] | iamlindoro: | but maybe only for my workflow, as I rip everything |
| [00:07:28] | wagnerrp: | i think he means he actually want to play it |
| [00:07:37] | sphery: | VM? Requires Windows? |
| [00:07:52] | wagnerrp: | anydvd is currently the only mechanism for decoding BD+ |
| [00:07:52] | justinh: | yup |
| [00:07:58] | sphery: | If so, not good for me (I don't have 32-bit libs, so I can't run Windows in VM) |
| [00:07:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery, AnyDVD Hd, yeah (if you want to rip BD+, which is most films now) |
| [00:08:02] | wagnerrp: | aacs disks can be ripped entirely in linux |
| [00:08:38] | iamlindoro: | BD+ in linux is just over the next rise, though, huge progress towards that |
| [00:08:39] | justinh: | when are they gonna realise that they're not gonna stop piracy by crippling software? :-O |
| [00:08:45] | sphery: | but, then again, I would never rip encrrypted content from a disc without express written permission, so... |
| [00:08:54] | justinh: | ah. I geddit. when that place downstairs has frozen over |
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| [00:09:14] | sphery: | you mean Australia? |
| [00:09:21] | justinh: | yeah |
| [00:10:05] | ** mzb_d800 feels a cold chill ** | |
| [00:10:16] | sphery: | If only the studios/game companys/software companies would put that money toward improving the products rather than "stopping" piracy... |
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| [00:10:36] | justinh: | all it's ever done is nark off end users |
| [00:11:08] | sphery: | (I know that I misspelled companies, once, but on my slow hotel 'net link, I'm submitting before the text I've typed echoes to the screen) |
| [00:11:24] | sphery: | gotta love "high speed" internet in hotels. |
| [00:11:53] | justinh: | my work colleague had no internet today. there was a fire at the cableco headend |
| [00:12:04] | justinh: | oops. power cut, not a fire |
| [00:12:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/00000030.jpg |
| [00:12:25] | iamlindoro: | There's what Bond looks like on Blu-ray |
| [00:12:27] | justinh: | he calls me an internet addict.. he was crawling up the walls lol |
| [00:12:58] | iamlindoro: | slightly odd aspect ratio, but looks great on the big screen |
| [00:13:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: the grains are like 4 pixels square :( |
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| [00:14:04] | iamlindoro: | justinh, heh, can't be helped I guess-- not very fair to see it not in motion, too |
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| [00:14:46] | justinh: | I want that VHD already |
| [00:15:03] | justinh: | and everything pre VHD re-made with the original cast & crew :P |
| [00:15:08] | justinh: | and a pony |
| [00:15:32] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [00:15:55] | sphery: | justinh: You're wrong... Gamers don't mind DRM: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . ers-care-drm |
| [00:16:05] | sphery: | According to EA boss, at least |
| [00:17:18] | iamlindoro: | Hey dustybin/clever, I found that movie camera you'd been wanting |
| [00:17:19] | wagnerrp: | here we go! Disney Princess Movie Maker!!! |
| [00:17:20] | iamlindoro: | http://www.woot.com/ |
| [00:17:33] | iamlindoro: | hahah |
| [00:18:30] | justinh: | iamlindoro: a big rotating disc with loads of disposable film cameras on it would be more the style |
| [00:19:08] | justinh: | $19.99 – looks expensive, that |
| [00:19:32] | wagnerrp: | its selling surprisingly fast |
| [00:19:48] | iamlindoro: | faster than the USB gamepad |
| [00:19:50] | iamlindoro: | twice |
| [00:19:57] | justinh: | like your average 7-year old doesn't already have a movie maker. on their phone |
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| [00:20:55] | ** justinh sighs. only one film worthy of being seen in the real world this weekend, and even then it's not _that_ appealing :( ** | |
| [00:21:23] | wagnerrp: | does it have the olson twins? |
| [00:21:53] | dustybin: | mplayer svn doesnt has compile errors, mythtv internal player is buggy, the only choice left is xine! so far so good, the dvd menus work, and the playback is nice and smooth, but i cannt seem to get surround sound working at the moment |
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| [00:22:12] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, mplayer compiles FINE |
| [00:22:14] | iamlindoro: | blame yourself |
| [00:22:29] | wagnerrp: | if it 'doesnt has compile errors', why cant you use it? |
| [00:22:39] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: even so, dvd menu support in mplayer isnt really supported |
| [00:22:47] | justinh: | meh |
| [00:22:59] | ** justinh googles the olsen twins ** | |
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| [00:23:22] | iamlindoro: | uhhh yes it is. |
| [00:23:22] | GreyFoxx: | What is your problemwiththeinternal player ? |
| [00:23:50] | iamlindoro: | given mplayer more or less has the definitive libdvdnav now |
| [00:23:51] | GreyFoxx: | I use it for all dvd (and iso) playback and it works fine |
| [00:24:08] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, He gets NVP Prebuff Pauses because his hardware is shite |
| [00:24:20] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [00:24:23] | justinh: | I get those & my hardware isn't crap |
| [00:24:34] | justinh: | but I CBA to report the problems :) |
| [00:24:37] | iamlindoro: | justinh, then it doesn't help that his is, does it? ;) |
| [00:24:45] | _abbenormal: | im getting some of that also |
| [00:25:09] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: maybe your using NTSC dvds, a lot of my PAL .iso go out of sync, they kind of play fast and slow and choppy, if i use mplayer they are fine |
| [00:25:11] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal, NVP Prebuffering Pauses are Myth's generic "something between here and there is too slow" error |
| [00:25:11] | justinh: | it'd be like admitting that some crap movie dvd my wife bought doesn't play |
| [00:25:22] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [00:25:35] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: That's true. All of mine are ntsc |
| [00:25:35] | _abbenormal: | there a bottleneck somewhere |
| [00:25:53] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, What a crazy conclusion-- perhaps his play properly because his house is blue instead of pink? |
| [00:26:10] | justinh: | still non-the-wiser about the olsen twins, blissfully so methinks |
| [00:26:20] | iamlindoro: | justinh, olson |
| [00:26:25] | iamlindoro: | (I think) |
| [00:26:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro: like, whatever ;) |
| [00:26:42] | iamlindoro: | oh.. maybe not |
| [00:26:47] | iamlindoro: | guess it is olsen |
| [00:27:00] | dustybin: | i remember justinh had the same problem and switched to xine a while back? |
| [00:27:12] | justinh: | dustybin: I stopped using xine ages ago |
| [00:27:29] | justinh: | and when my wife mutters something about $dvd not playing I go LALALALALALALA |
| [00:27:37] | dustybin: | heh ok |
| [00:28:03] | ** iamlindoro settles on "dustybin's hardware is poop" as his explanation for this one ** | |
| [00:28:10] | justinh: | I think it was only ever menu screens that had problems due to somebody doing something stupid in the authoring |
| [00:28:24] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: if my hardware is poop, why does mplayer playback the .isos perfectly? |
| [00:28:38] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, mplayer ~= mythtv |
| [00:28:41] | iamlindoro: | er != |
| [00:28:52] | justinh: | dustybin: prolly cos it's bypassing the tiresome menus |
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| [00:29:58] | dustybin: | ill switch to the internal player right now and watch what i see |
| [00:30:05] | justinh: | maybe mythtv needs to change its 'playz0rAg3nt' ID from 'mythtv' to 'YamadaDoovde' |
| [00:30:08] | iamlindoro: | That your hardware is poop? |
| [00:30:28] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: a pentium 3.2 HT is good enough to playback a PAL dvd? |
| [00:31:01] | iamlindoro: | not when in your hands |
| [00:31:01] | dustybin: | (you silly sod :P ) |
| [00:31:14] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [00:31:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm not silly, my hardware plays everything back properly |
| [00:31:18] | _abbenormal: | or mine |
| [00:31:19] | dustybin: | my names not clever |
| [00:31:33] | iamlindoro: | no, clever is a substantial step up from you |
| [00:31:38] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: your US so your using NTSC dvd iso |
| [00:31:40] | justinh: | dustybin: btw I saw one of those boxes in real life the other day while shopping for a new freezer. to (mis)quote a line from Predator... "Ooo. you are one ugly MF aren't you?" |
| [00:31:49] | iamlindoro: | I'm not using DVD at all |
| [00:31:53] | iamlindoro: | those are so last gen |
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| [00:32:26] | iamlindoro: | but then, I don't have to ask my sister for allowance when I want to buy new hardware |
| [00:33:05] | iamlindoro: | I just go to my a) job and get my b) paycheck and invite my c) girlfriend over |
| [00:33:14] | iamlindoro: | quick, pick which of the above you have |
| [00:33:32] | GreyFoxx: | now that's just being mean |
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| [00:33:56] | iamlindoro: | But... but... he called me silly! |
| [00:34:04] | iamlindoro: | so it's like... fair, right? |
| [00:34:06] | GreyFoxx: | pfft :) |
| [00:34:10] | GreyFoxx: | if yer 5 :) |
| [00:34:14] | iamlindoro: | check! |
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| [00:34:55] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if he has any files that cause prebufferingerrors in current trunk ** | |
| [00:35:40] | justinh: | there was a bit of a thread on a mailiing list when 0.21 was still pretty new IIRC – it was about doovde playback being silly on more than capable hardware |
| [00:35:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Wasn't that pre all the early DVD fixes that went in, though? |
| [00:36:30] | justinh: | might've been, but I lost track of it on account of not really caring much about dvd playback |
| [00:36:33] | GreyFoxx: | justin: YEah Ithink rightat 0.21 release there was some DVD crashiness that wasfixed quickly. But there might have beenother problems |
| [00:36:55] | justinh: | not crashiness but dustybin's prebuffering pauses issue |
| [00:37:02] | iamlindoro: | Every time one hates on Internal, they should be forced to use the XBMC player for a week |
| [00:37:04] | GreyFoxx: | A buddy of mine has somePAL dvd's. I should see if I can borrow one |
| [00:37:16] | justinh: | lol iamlindoro |
| [00:37:36] | ** justinh waves hs fist. you'll have a fork on your hands ** | |
| [00:38:00] | iamlindoro: | justinh, not if he never downloads the code! |
| [00:39:20] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: my core2 duo t5600 still has the occasional glitch playing SDTV. I think those pesky bitrate jumps (up & down) are still confuzzling the bufferring code |
| [00:40:09] | justinh: | it could even be an alsa issue showing itself – it'd explain why more folks don't see it |
| [00:40:48] | justinh: | if 'misconfigured alsa' can be taken as meaning "it just seemed to work out of the box so I didn't mess with it" |
| [00:41:55] | jams: | justinh- i also see it with OSS |
| [00:42:55] | dustybin: | im playing scarface PAL .iso using the internal player right now, the video keeps on skipping together with the audio, just like if there was dirt on the disc, also the video speeds really fast then goes back to normal speed |
| [00:43:26] | justinh: | dustybin: sounds like a buffering problem to me |
| [00:44:02] | dustybin: | justinh: there are no logs on the frontend |
| [00:44:18] | justinh: | dustybin: the kind of thing you'd have to report to get fixed. loads of -v playback log, full description. plenty people must have the scarface dvd in PAL |
| [00:44:30] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [00:44:45] | dustybin: | it isnt just scarface, quite a few of my dvds have the same effect |
| [00:44:58] | justinh: | I'd be embarrased to report some of the discs I've heard about problems with :P |
| [00:45:09] | dustybin: | heh |
| [00:45:40] | dustybin: | its a shame because the internal player would be perfect |
| [00:45:52] | justinh: | when I get some free time I might mess with the buffering code a bit |
| [00:46:34] | justinh: | seems quite common that people have issues when the bitrate drops very low |
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| [00:47:51] | justinh: | s/free time/free time & the tv all to myself |
| [00:48:33] | dustybin: | killing zoe seems to be playing ok |
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| [00:49:50] | justinh: | might be worth plugging in some VERBOSE to see if it is the bitrate at play. IIRC the playback code gets the bitrate from the stream & determines how much to allocate |
| [00:51:12] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [00:51:34] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, there's a guy on the dev list who likes to solve problems, and he doesn't even need source code to do it. He's pretty amazing. You should ask him. |
| [00:51:38] | justinh: | I'm not going into it now, have enough trouble getting back to sleep as it is |
| [00:52:01] | justinh: | and more than enough on my notional 'todo' list |
| [00:52:10] | dustybin: | killing zoe isnt 100% perfect, i can hear some of the audio not playing correct |
| [00:53:49] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: what container do you use when encoding your movies? |
| [00:53:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro: when I made my very first weeny ickle patch even *I* knew how to put some prints in. and he calls himself a developer of sorts |
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| [00:54:57] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, I leave my movies in their original containers. Generally speaking, m2ts and EVO |
| [00:55:00] | dustybin: | ill see if i can test out a NTSC .iso |
| [00:55:02] | justinh: | that thread has a way to go before it gets as bad as the last BSD discussion IMHO – let's hope the end result is that people calm the hell down & start working on stuff |
| [00:55:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I dunno, I think it's worse than "How should we rename Video Sources" already |
| [00:55:41] | justinh: | don't |
| [00:55:45] | justinh: | just don't. |
| [00:55:48] | iamlindoro: | hahaa |
| [00:56:31] | iamlindoro: | http://blog.air4web.com/bblog/pbimages/152.jpg |
| [00:57:01] | hachi: | whoah, for some reason I have a dump of my mythconverg DB :\ |
| [00:57:04] | justinh: | strange lady. her alt key is in the wrong place |
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| [00:57:32] | iamlindoro: | hachi, in your recordings dir? normal if you upgraded your DB by upgrading myth |
| [00:57:39] | hachi: | no, in /root |
| [00:57:43] | hachi: | I must've done it |
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| [00:59:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro: tell you what though, that mythbackend crash I saw the other day was a doozy. Turned out MBE was running as root & lo & behold the init script I'd got from parker1.co.uk was skank |
| [00:59:10] | dustybin: | i got xine working with surround sound :-) |
| [00:59:42] | justinh: | I'd done everything right apart from assuming the init script was sane. amazing it'd worked for so long |
| [00:59:43] | iamlindoro: | justinh, A shock considering the high quality and up-to-dateness of their howto |
| [01:00:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it was once the dog's dangly bits, that site |
| [01:00:16] | justinh: | when howto pages turn bad :( |
| [01:00:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh, when left alone to rot |
| [01:01:59] | justinh: | a few things were wrong with the init script – namely that what I'd term the best way to start & stop a daemon process weren't being used. that and the fact that /var/log/mythtv wasn't owned by the right user & log output was being dumped into the terminal |
| [01:02:45] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I can't recall, but I think the howto on that site subscribed to the "well there's got to be a mythtv user, right?" school of Mythbox building |
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| [01:03:13] | justinh: | heh. for a while I even thought I'd absent-mindedly overlooked the mythtv user |
| [01:03:59] | justinh: | I should upgrade it before it turns into what my gentoo box had become. badly wrapped up in out of sync version-ness |
| [01:05:15] | justinh: | when I updated stuff like xmltv I was fearful of breaking the box – never quite sure what apt-get is going to change when you remove something so some things are installed on top. whoops |
| [01:06:59] | justinh: | eew. rottentomatoes.com think the film we're gonna see this weekend sucks |
| [01:07:15] | iamlindoro: | justinh, DO NOT TRUST RT this past few months |
| [01:07:51] | justinh: | the other contender, Burn After Reading is a Coen bros effort :( |
| [01:08:07] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I like the coen brothers... but it was *terrible* |
| [01:08:13] | iamlindoro: | was actually what I was going to mention |
| [01:08:21] | iamlindoro: | RT said yay, I though it was *awful* |
| [01:08:44] | justinh: | most films are dirge anyway, it's just a matter of degrees |
| [01:09:29] | justinh: | one review has tipped 'how to lose friends & alienate people' as 'as good as The Devil Wears Prada' yay |
| [01:10:12] | cesman: | opinions are like... |
| [01:10:16] | justinh: | or to put it another way .. "not as bad as having your toenails extracted by a burly fat woman using rusty pliers without anaesthetic" |
| [01:10:36] | justinh: | which is the bill I believe SAW V would fit :P |
| [01:11:40] | justinh: | ach to hell with it. I'll just make sure I drink plenty before going in |
| [01:12:10] | justinh: | then again, one bottle wasn't enough to make Spiderman palatable |
| [01:12:48] | justinh: | I said we should go to some bars & get trashed instead, but no, we have to do something civilised |
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| [01:16:36] | iamlindoro: | The dev list is a car crash I cannot avert my eyes from |
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| [01:19:38] | cesman: | so long as it isn't a fatal crash :/ |
| [01:19:59] | iamlindoro: | It may yet be |
| [01:20:15] | Dagmar: | Suggest it would all work better if it were written in Erlang |
| [01:20:38] | Dagmar: | Just um, don't do that under your name |
| [01:21:36] | iamlindoro: | I kinda wanna stoke the fire |
| [01:22:20] | Dagmar: | This is OT but I know you'll love it, iam... http://brokershandsontheirfacesblog.tumblr.com/ |
| [01:22:22] | iamlindoro: | something like "You know what? *I'm* sick of this developer attitude too. If you fork Myth, I am in 100%. I have 20 years of DVB and recording related programming experience, and 20–30 hours of daily spar time to work on this project. Let's do it!" |
| [01:22:28] | justinh: | has anybody googled that email address yet? |
| [01:22:45] | justinh: | two words for you.. professional troll |
| [01:22:47] | justinh: | "Its now 2 weeks past the end of July, when we were told KDE 4.1 would |
| [01:22:47] | justinh: | ship. I've been stuck with this crappy, half working KDE 4.0 interface |
| [01:22:47] | justinh: | for 6 weeks. You could say I'm a bit miffed. |
| [01:23:22] | cesman: | justinh: dump it |
| [01:23:25] | ** cesman did ** | |
| [01:23:48] | cesman: | damn shame as I've used it for years |
| [01:24:08] | cesman: | options a plenty! |
| [01:24:10] | iamlindoro: | cesman, think he's quoting linxuguy123@gmail.com |
| [01:24:15] | iamlindoro: | er linuxguy123 |
| [01:24:16] | justinh: | I am indeedy |
| [01:24:30] | iamlindoro: | The bane of Myth's existence |
| [01:24:41] | iamlindoro: | justinh, may be worth a note to -dev about that bit |
| [01:24:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Thursday #2 and Friday #1 are my votes so far... ;-) |
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| [01:25:00] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I'm keeping well out of it |
| [01:25:30] | iamlindoro: | justinh, https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-li . . . sg00532.html |
| [01:25:30] | justinh: | anybody googles my real name & wants to play character assassination & I'm toast |
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| [01:25:40] | ** cesman doesn't subscribe to the list anymore ** | |
| [01:26:08] | cesman: | I unsubscribe last year before moving and have not resubscribed |
| [01:26:43] | justinh: | cesman: s'ok you've not missed any dev talk AFAIK |
| [01:27:02] | justinh: | maybe the odd flurry but it gets so easily lost |
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| [01:29:31] | cesman: | that is does |
| [01:31:16] | justinh: | maybe the lists should be forked instead :P |
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| [01:32:06] | justinh: | and a new, secret & run by an unseen alliance of illuminati used to discuss -dev matters :D |
| [01:33:02] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Oh there you go with your anti-user bias again.. how will you ever get anyone to adopt MythTV? |
| [01:33:07] | iamlindoro: | Some product this is |
| [01:34:03] | justinh: | I hope one day we all manage to meet in the middle with this stuff, as a community. I really do. Then we could maybe stand a chance of beating the hordes |
| [01:34:54] | justinh: | but then I suspect humanity will be something better already.. either that or it'll be too late for us all |
| [01:35:14] | sphery: | you know, all this anti-user talk is probably why people choose to use inferior DVR solutions like ... |
| [01:35:24] | justinh: | on that thought.. I better go back to bed & get some Zzzz |
| [01:35:33] | iamlindoro: | justinh, in all honesty, it's pretty simple, isn't it? My rule for entering the community of something I don't know much about? STFU and read for a while. Make jokes once you understand the inside jokiness of the group. |
| [01:35:40] | iamlindoro: | continue to read. |
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| [01:35:47] | iamlindoro: | Answer questions when you are 100% certain about the answers |
| [01:35:50] | iamlindoro: | read some more |
| [01:35:55] | justinh: | this is what I mean |
| [01:35:56] | iamlindoro: | return to step 1 |
| [01:36:08] | justinh: | more people with realistic expectations |
| [01:36:34] | justinh: | anyway. sleep calls. hope to get to work nice & early so I can claw back my flexitime |
| [01:36:46] | iamlindoro: | justinh, wasn't lecturing you, was agreeing |
| [01:36:57] | sphery: | I just want to have the 30hrs/day spare time that iamlindoro has... |
| [01:36:57] | justinh: | I know |
| [01:37:08] | justinh: | g'night! |
| [01:37:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, there are substances that allow for that |
| [01:37:18] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:37:35] | sphery: | Was hoping it was more like Myth's timestretch |
| [01:37:54] | sphery: | no negative side effects for that one |
| [01:38:20] | iamlindoro: | true |
| [01:41:04] | ** sphery wondering if linuxguy123 actually installed KDE 4 before grumbling about it... ** | |
| [01:41:47] | iamlindoro: | Ssshhhhh, he's sleeping |
| [01:41:55] | iamlindoro: | If you wake him he'll talk again |
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| [01:42:01] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [01:42:38] | iamlindoro: | NOT justin, linuxdouche123, btw |
| [01:42:46] | jams: | iamlindoro- are you saying linuxguy123 and justinh are the same person? |
| [01:42:59] | iamlindoro: | jams, don't try getting me in trouble! |
| [01:43:14] | _abbenormal: | he does that with any |
| [01:43:17] | iamlindoro: | and for the record, to be clear, NO |
| [01:44:03] | iamlindoro: | was noticing that linuxguy123 hasn't responded in an few hours, here's hoping that he's moved on to annoying XBMC |
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| [01:44:13] | sphery: | so, notice how this guy responded to a question asking lg123 what he was trying to do... Think that's lg123's real name? https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-li . . . sg00546.html |
| [01:44:39] | iamlindoro: | probably |
| [01:46:25] | sphery: | well, time for the season 2 finale of Smallville. |
| [01:46:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, There are two other spots on the internet where "dave" responds to lg123 |
| [01:46:58] | iamlindoro: | or rather, responds to a response to him |
| [01:47:08] | iamlindoro: | http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/20 . . . sg00085.html |
| [01:47:21] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:47:32] | iamlindoro: | http://www.nabble.com/KDE-4.1.2-released...-n . . . 9804203.html |
| [01:47:47] | iamlindoro: | a little too convenient methinks |
| [01:48:37] | cesman: | hmmm is all I can say about those CC threads |
| [01:48:48] | GreyFoxx: | http://marc.info/?a=103401366100001&r=1&w=2 |
| [01:49:49] | sphery: | then again, in response to msg00085.html, lg123 says "no more lists" and Dave says, "I'm interested [in a new list]" |
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| [01:54:12] | iamlindoro: | "I love open source! It's where you can, like, get on lists and tell people how their software should work! Because we're like this big COMMUNITY, ya know? And they HAVE to listen to what you say because everyone's, like... COLLABORATING, you know?" |
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| [01:55:47] | wagnerrp: | im absolutely amazed by how much traffic the users list generates |
| [01:58:58] | iamlindoro: | This last hour of wootoff is awful |
| [01:59:14] | wagnerrp: | random video game and a computer? |
| [01:59:22] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [01:59:45] | iamlindoro: | plus there were like three trillion copies of the game |
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| [02:10:37] | Der_Thomas: | hey all, recently bought a 2nd tuner and I'm having a problem: |
| [02:11:47] | Der_Thomas: | If my 1st tuner is recording something when I go to "Watch Live TV", Myth doesn't just go to the 2nd tuner to show live tv, but sits with a black screen for abut 30 seconds then retuend to the main menu. |
| [02:11:56] | Der_Thomas: | any ideas on what is going on here? |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | the second recorder isnt working |
| [02:12:17] | wagnerrp: | can you record two things at once? |
| [02:12:17] | RyeBrye: | your recording profile is set up incorrectly, perhaps |
| [02:12:25] | RyeBrye: | What kind of tuner is it? |
| [02:12:40] | RyeBrye: | is it recording something right now? |
| [02:12:41] | iamlindoro: | What is the air speed of an unladen swallow? |
| [02:12:47] | iamlindoro: | What is your favorite color? |
| [02:12:55] | iamlindoro: | ANSWER OR YOU'LL BE SORRY! |
| [02:13:00] | RyeBrye: | Do you have someone nearby you who can type faster than 3 wpm? |
| [02:13:11] | iamlindoro: | GIVE them the keyboard, damn it |
| [02:13:13] | Der_Thomas: | 2nd tuner works |
| [02:13:20] | Der_Thomas: | it's a pinnical pctv 800 |
| [02:13:27] | RyeBrye: | it works in MythTV? |
| [02:13:28] | Der_Thomas: | I can manually switch to that tuner |
| [02:13:31] | RyeBrye: | ok |
| [02:13:36] | Der_Thomas: | yeah it works under myth |
| [02:13:44] | iamlindoro: | This is what happens when mchou is allowed to give tuner advice |
| [02:13:57] | Der_Thomas: | I've recorded on it too |
| [02:14:08] | RyeBrye: | are you recording something right now? |
| [02:14:13] | Der_Thomas: | I can |
| [02:14:29] | RyeBrye: | kill all myth things and start them in terminals with -v debug |
| [02:14:37] | RyeBrye: | i.e. one terminal with mythbackend -v debug |
| [02:14:42] | RyeBrye: | and one terminal with mythfrontend -v debug |
| [02:14:51] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [02:15:04] | RyeBrye: | then reproduce your issue – but monitor what it happening in the backend one or the frontend one when that happen |
| [02:15:20] | RyeBrye: | it should give osme kind of error message – most likely on the backend, but perhaps on the frontend |
| [02:16:01] | califdreas: | mythtv cannot use the pinnacle 800i for livetv, it seems. I remember someone mentioned it on the users list a while back |
| [02:16:07] | RyeBrye: | and then go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste the RELEVANT part of the debug log (not the whole thing, or nobody will read it) – should be a few lines – but not more than 20 or 30 unless something |
| [02:16:16] | RyeBrye: | califdreas – he said he could manually switch to it, which I find odd |
| [02:16:24] | RyeBrye: | because that would be liveTV wouldn't it? |
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| [02:16:34] | califdreas: | and my own pinnacle 800i does not work for live tv either. |
| [02:16:38] | RyeBrye: | hm |
| [02:16:56] | RyeBrye: | is that card a framegrabber or hardware encoder? |
| [02:16:57] | califdreas: | I can do the same thing. but channel change, for example, does not work (most of the time) |
| [02:17:04] | RyeBrye: | weird |
| [02:17:06] | Der_Thomas: | califdreams, well if my 1st card isn't recording and I start live tv, I can switch to the pctv 800i manually |
| [02:17:18] | Der_Thomas: | no problem with live tv for me |
| [02:17:28] | Der_Thomas: | its a framegrabber |
| [02:17:50] | RyeBrye: | ok. Get those debug logs and maybe we can figure something out |
| [02:18:05] | califdreas: | well, that's a good start. just to make it clear: we're talking about the hdtv card, right? |
| [02:18:21] | RyeBrye: | ATSC? QAM? |
| [02:18:29] | Der_Thomas: | I use both tuners on it |
| [02:19:09] | Der_Thomas: | Timewarner shoots all of the low channels analog and there are some high channels in SD & HDTV in QAM |
| [02:19:11] | califdreas: | ok. i only use the hd part. |
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| [02:19:28] | Der_Thomas: | I've got a tiny FE adn can't run HD |
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| [02:20:21] | califdreas: | i have not tested the framegrabber on the card, can't help with that, sorry :( |
| [02:20:34] | buggerror is now known as cafuego | |
| [02:23:00] | califdreas: | one wild guess would be that you're using different recording profiles, and the one for livetv is "borked". |
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| [02:25:02] | pembo13: | is there any better way to address the tv card than via /dev/video* ? |
| [02:25:24] | pembo13: | it's getting to be that booting up my machine is a lottery, sometimes mythtv works, sometimes it doesn't |
| [02:25:38] | pembo13: | because one card is on video0 and another is on video1 |
| [02:25:48] | iamlindoro: | google udev rules |
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| [02:26:16] | pembo13: | iamlindoro: is that the only solution? |
| [02:26:25] | iamlindoro: | blacklisting also works |
| [02:26:32] | iamlindoro: | udev is the cleanest solution. |
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| [02:26:54] | Lexridge: | I use udev, but yet my inputs constantly change with a reboot. :( |
| [02:26:54] | pembo13: | going the udev route works, but it is fairly time consuming |
| [02:27:09] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, U R doing it rong |
| [02:27:10] | pembo13: | there needs to be some better way |
| [02:27:24] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: maybe, but I cannot figure out what. |
| [02:27:25] | califdreas: | pembo13: you could try to find out if the driver supports assigning the card to a certain video* number. |
| [02:28:03] | RyeBrye: | hmm... can udev do things with joysticks too? my USB gamepads always get random input numbers when I reboot and it really sucks nuts when working with emulators |
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| [02:28:53] | califdreas: | try modinfo [your-card-driver] and see if the driver has an option like "card=", for example |
| [02:29:05] | iamlindoro: | card= isn't the option you want |
| [02:29:15] | iamlindoro: | card= is an option for the brand/specific card type |
| [02:29:37] | Der_Thomas: | OK, here is my backend output: http://pastebin.com/m3c250ee3 |
| [02:29:37] | clev: | RyeBrye: udev controls the creation/naming of all device nodes under /dev/ |
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| [02:29:48] | iamlindoro: | video_nr is the option you want |
| [02:29:54] | clev: | RyeBrye: my gamepad also comes up as /dev/input/js0 so it works fine aslong as it doesnt reconnect |
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| [02:30:25] | clev: | RyeBrye: and theres a break in the usb cord so it sometimes disconnects and reconnects(before the kernel kicks the ghost) causing it to hop to another id |
| [02:30:28] | pembo13: | i did a modinfo ivtv, does seem to support that |
| [02:30:34] | Der_Thomas: | ...and here is my FE ouptut: http://pastebin.com/m5db21346 |
| [02:30:59] | pembo13: | i'm not against writing a udev rule, it just isn't exactly convinient, takes me longer to do the udev rule from sratch that to setup mythtv |
| [02:31:22] | clev: | pembo13: you could clone the same thing that ubuntu did for static network device names |
| [02:31:34] | clev: | it somehow adds new udev rules automaticaly when the device is discovered |
| [02:31:38] | clev: | realy neat stuff |
| [02:31:54] | GreyFoxx: | slackware does the same thing |
| [02:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | handy |
| [02:32:08] | clev: | we may never know who came up with it first! |
| [02:32:25] | GreyFoxx: | Im just glad it's there :) |
| [02:32:41] | clev: | it would be fun to apply to other devices like usb things |
| [02:32:47] | ** jams places bets on SuSE ** | |
| [02:33:20] | pembo13: | anyone have a sample udev script I can work with? will google it up eithre way |
| [02:33:48] | clev: | i had found some generic udev tutorial which explained how to get the udev info and write a rule from scratch |
| [02:33:56] | jams: | pembo13- there are examples on the mythtv wiki |
| [02:34:00] | iamlindoro: | wiki page has a fairly substantial section on udev |
| [02:34:00] | clev: | was trivial to give my usb webcams static names |
| [02:34:09] | clev: | (technicaly extra symlinks with special names) |
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| [02:35:04] | pembo13: | i did it once before, took me way too long |
| [02:35:31] | iamlindoro: | should take one command end a single line edited into a single file |
| [02:35:38] | iamlindoro: | er command and |
| [02:36:22] | clev: | yep |
| [02:36:29] | iamlindoro: | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video0), replace 0 with # as appropriate |
| [02:36:40] | iamlindoro: | find something unique looking |
| [02:36:57] | iamlindoro: | use that as the basic for your rule, symlink to something unique, ie /dev/video-mywang |
| [02:37:10] | jams: | probably not the best, but I use the pci slot |
| [02:38:40] | dustybin: | i wonder if mplayer can playback ac3 inside a .mkv container |
| [02:39:01] | iamlindoro: | of course, why couldn't it? |
| [02:39:05] | califdreas: | pembo13: sorry, I was making dinner. Are you going to go with udev or with driver options? |
| [02:39:11] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: seriously? |
| [02:39:22] | iamlindoro: | of course. *why wouldn't it?* |
| [02:39:32] | dustybin: | feekkin heck :) |
| [02:39:55] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, you still around? |
| [02:39:59] | dustybin: | to hell with mp4, ill use .mkv ! |
| [02:40:09] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [02:40:11] | ** iamlindoro said that four or five hours ago ** | |
| [02:40:12] | RyeBrye: | you got those logs? |
| [02:40:20] | pembo13: | yes, will go with udev |
| [02:40:21] | pembo13: | i've done it before |
| [02:40:30] | pembo13: | just seems like a serious flaw in the arch |
| [02:40:42] | pembo13: | not mythtvs fault though of course |
| [02:40:43] | Der_Thomas: | yep, sent them, here they are again: BE http://pastebin.com/m5db21346, FE http://pastebin.com/m5db21346 |
| [02:41:16] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: and you also said that that ac3 track should mix down and play ok on my downstairs 2 channel stereo system? |
| [02:41:32] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:41:38] | dustybin: | fekkin ace :) |
| [02:41:47] | dustybin: | to hell with shite xine |
| [02:42:12] | califdreas: | i think udev if a pain, but once you set it up right, it's working reliably on every boot. |
| [02:42:14] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas – those ar eboth the same :P |
| [02:42:18] | dustybin: | i hate .isos with all the menu shite, its time to re-encode with handbrake, preserving ac3 |
| [02:42:26] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas – those are both the FE one I think |
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| [02:42:44] | iamlindoro: | Yay, dustybin's back with his opinion for this hour |
| [02:42:54] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, sorry, here is the BE: http://pastebin.com/m3c250ee3 |
| [02:43:44] | onexused: | Will someone help me with my tv tuner card? w_scan says no useable device found / check whether dvb driver is loaded and no dvb application is running, but it looks like in dmesg that the driver -is- loaded and I don't have any app that should be accessing dvb adapter running. |
| [02:44:03] | iamlindoro: | onexused, seek hel pfor making the tuner work in linux in #linuxtv |
| [02:44:14] | iamlindoro: | onexused, once you have verified it works in linux, we can hel pyou with Myth |
| [02:44:24] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i could also use the .avi container, are there any differences? |
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| [02:44:34] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, besides avi sucking? |
| [02:44:41] | dustybin: | does it? |
| [02:44:49] | onexused: | The card's actually mad specifically for Linux, but I will go to that channel for help setting it up. |
| [02:44:53] | iamlindoro: | and having practically none of the features MKV, MP4 or any other modern container has? |
| [02:45:00] | dustybin: | right ok :) |
| [02:45:46] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas – the backend one is the one that shows more of what is going on, but I don't really know what the issue is |
| [02:45:53] | iamlindoro: | avi = one video, one audio stream, limited codec support, index at end of file. MKV = bookmark support, multiple subtitle support, cover support, massive codec support, etc. etc. |
| [02:45:55] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, so I have two tuner cards, 1 PVR 150 configured as tuner 4 using the coax in, and also configured as tuner 5 with the conposite input |
| [02:45:56] | dustybin: | i wonder how mythtv internal player gets on with a .mkv |
| [02:46:08] | dustybin: | i have a test chapter ready to go :) |
| [02:46:11] | iamlindoro: | internal plays MKV fine so long as they're not created in some screwy fashion |
| [02:46:31] | dustybin: | ok |
| [02:46:46] | GreyFoxx: | just an fyi |
| [02:46:48] | califdreas: | Der_Thomas: looks to me like the backend is "thinking" that the card is an mpeg-encoder |
| [02:47:03] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that's true – check out the recording profile for liveTV for that card |
| [02:47:04] | GreyFoxx: | I had to run handbrake created mkv's through the mkvmerge tool torecreate the index to make seeking work |
| [02:47:10] | GreyFoxx: | but that took maybe 2 minutes a file |
| [02:47:12] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, then I have the pctv 800i congiured as tuner 8 for ntsc and 9 & 10 for qam |
| [02:47:23] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: aye thanks :) |
| [02:47:36] | RyeBrye: | dustybin – what's wrong with mp4? |
| [02:47:55] | dustybin: | RyeBrye: mplayer doesnt playback AC3 inside the mp4 container |
| [02:47:59] | dustybin: | not my version anyway |
| [02:48:08] | RyeBrye: | oh, interesting |
| [02:48:17] | iamlindoro: | AC3 in MP4 only officially became part of the standard last month anyway |
| [02:48:21] | pembo13: | well i'm going for a reboot |
| [02:48:28] | pembo13: | have a recording in 13 mins |
| [02:48:34] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, I think that is talking about by other card |
| [02:48:35] | pembo13: | thanks for the help |
| [02:48:48] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, I have a pvr-150 set up as tuner 4 & 5 |
| [02:49:05] | RyeBrye: | Der_Thomas – yeah. Not sure why it's not jumping to the other input |
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| [02:49:27] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, looks like it isn't even thinking about tuner 8, my pctv card |
| [02:50:53] | Der_Thomas: | RyeBrye, so in this example, tuner 4 is recording, and it is trying to open tuner 5, which is the same hardware. That is why it is saying that it is part of "a busy group". I set tuner 4 and 5 as par tof the same group as they are the same HW |
| [02:51:04] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that's odd. Are you sure you have set up the input groups correctly? It looks like it's erroring out when it's trying to tune on tuner 5 – but if the input groups are setup correctly it shouldn't even TRY to get the tuner, I think |
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| [02:53:17] | iamlindoro: | Unless you *really* know what you're doing, all your cards should be in the "default" input group |
| [02:54:05] | Der_Thomas: | well I have two physical cards, 1 pvr-150 and 1 pctv 800 |
| [02:54:22] | iamlindoro: | should both be in "default" unless they're both connected to 1 STB |
| [02:54:57] | Der_Thomas: | the pvr-150 is tuner 4 and tuner 5 in myth, one using coax in (4) and one for composite in (5) |
| [02:55:14] | Der_Thomas: | both of these I have set as one group since they are not independant tuners |
| [02:55:30] | Der_Thomas: | (both the pvr-150 and the pctv 800 are in the same BE) |
| [02:55:43] | clev: | ive tried that before, the coax tuner sucked and i somehow broke composite, had to delete and readd the card |
| [02:55:48] | iamlindoro: | just as long as the 800 and 150 aren't the same input group, you're fine |
| [02:56:28] | Der_Thomas: | then I ahve the analog input of the pctv 800, and the dvb input set as tuners 8, 9, and 10 all set to one group (the dvb is set to multiplex as two tuners) |
| [02:56:42] | Der_Thomas: | yeah the 800 and the 150 are seperate groups |
| [02:57:04] | Der_Thomas: | clev, on the 150? |
| [02:57:26] | clev: | Der_Thomas: yeah with my 150, i screwed the config up somehow and couldnt record composite at all |
| [02:57:41] | clev: | had to delete and readd the card from defaults |
| [02:57:51] | Der_Thomas: | clev, did you have it setup as one tuner and using two diff inputs? |
| [02:58:09] | clev: | even after i thought i undid the coax input changes, it still didnt work |
| [02:58:30] | clev: | but thats old news now, the tuner is in a totaly differnet box |
| [02:58:38] | Der_Thomas: | yeah you have to set it up as two seperate tuners, it can't switch its inputs on the fly |
| [02:58:50] | iamlindoro: | You have jacked up card numberings anyway, you should delete and readd them and see how they work then |
| [02:59:04] | iamlindoro: | if nothing else at least they will be serially numbered from 1 |
| [02:59:08] | clev: | i thought you just go into input connections and connect each input up properly |
| [02:59:12] | clev: | under a single tuner |
| [02:59:26] | Der_Thomas: | iamlindoro, I know, why does that happen?? |
| [02:59:42] | Der_Thomas: | clev, I tried that too, doesn't work, it is a hardware problem |
| [02:59:45] | iamlindoro: | Der_Thomas, because you delete and add cards without doing "delete all tuners" |
| [03:00:05] | Der_Thomas: | clev, you can't even do it from the cli |
| [03:00:35] | clev: | Der_Thomas: i thought that if i connect the 2 inputs within the config of a single tuner, then it would allready 'know' that its 1 tuner |
| [03:00:37] | Der_Thomas: | iamlindoro, yeah I know, just strange that it doesn't just re-number them |
| [03:00:58] | iamlindoro: | Der_Thomas, If it did you would have a broken DB |
| [03:00:58] | wagnerrp: | desktop on woot finally sold out |
| [03:01:05] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, and now a freaking speaker |
| [03:01:17] | Der_Thomas: | clev, like I said I thik that is how it is supposed to work, just screwed up HW |
| [03:01:49] | iamlindoro: | Der_Thomas, MySQL can't keep track of which numbers are used/not used in a non-serial fashion. It increments from the last highest number unless you truncate the table (which you do by deleting all tuners) |
| [03:01:54] | Der_Thomas: | clev, try opening the 150 form the cli and start watching TV then use the cli to change the inputs, you can't do it |
| [03:02:09] | clev: | Der_Thomas: i know you cant use both inputs at once |
| [03:02:42] | Der_Thomas: | clev, I don't mean at once, i mean start watching tv on coax, then try switching to composite |
| [03:02:48] | Der_Thomas: | clev, you can't do it |
| [03:02:57] | clev: | and mythtv doesnt try to, its too dumb:P |
| [03:03:11] | clev: | if it has to record 2 things in a row on composite it fully shuts the card down then starts it back up |
| [03:03:12] | Der_Thomas: | clev, you have to stop watching and then switch inputs and then re-open it |
| [03:03:18] | clev: | leaving a 5–10 second gap of nothing it can capture |
| [03:03:36] | Der_Thomas: | clev, nope |
| [03:03:41] | clev: | even when both things it has to record(in a row) are on the same channel |
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| [03:03:59] | Der_Thomas: | clev, doesn't matter |
| [03:04:00] | iamlindoro: | There's a fair liklihood if you watch TV with tvtime on the raw output and then change inputs, it'll work fine |
| [03:04:02] | clev: | it closes the card, and runs the channel changer on the same number(causing no change) and opens the card back up |
| [03:04:11] | iamlindoro: | it only likely needs the stop/restart out of the encoder |
| [03:04:30] | wagnerrp: | at least the speaker is going quickly |
| [03:04:43] | clev: | i cant test much with tvtime and my pvr150 since the thing is headless |
| [03:04:48] | Der_Thomas: | iamlindoro, that is what I am talking about, 150 doesn't do it corerect, cli will even lie to you and say that the input is changed, but it doesn't |
| [03:05:07] | iamlindoro: | Der_Thomas, on the *RAW* output, video24/32? |
| [03:05:17] | iamlindoro: | ie NOT video0? |
| [03:05:21] | Der_Thomas: | iamlindoro, oh, hever tried that |
| [03:05:36] | iamlindoro: | need to stop and restart because the encoder has buffers to worry about. |
| [03:05:39] | clev: | tvtime will use the frame grabber mode i think |
| [03:05:47] | iamlindoro: | indeed it will |
| [03:05:49] | clev: | (the way it was designed to be used, directly into video memory) |
| [03:05:59] | Der_Thomas: | iamlindoro, yeah so if you set it up as a seperate tuner it works |
| [03:07:32] | Der_Thomas: | OK, I guess that I'll try to delete all my cards and re-do everything again, maybe that'll help |
| [03:07:48] | Der_Thomas: | good night all, thanks for all the help! |
| [03:08:37] | iamlindoro: | jesus, a vacuum? |
| [03:08:41] | iamlindoro: | gahhhhhhhhh |
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| [03:10:16] | dustybin: | wow some good news, that .mkv file i just created played perfectly downstairs, no pre buffer pauses at all |
| [03:10:28] | dustybin: | maybe the problem is down to .mp4 |
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| [03:12:08] | xv6800: | I overwrite password on mythtv user with mythtv... in local directory ./mythtv/config.xml and there was some other directory |
| [03:12:12] | dustybin: | its time to re-encode a film ive had problems with before |
| [03:12:19] | xv6800: | can I get it back now? |
| [03:13:36] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [03:16:20] | wagnerrp: | and now an even shittier desktop |
| [03:16:44] | iamlindoro: | F5 F5 F5 |
| [03:17:10] | wagnerrp: | and gone just as fast |
| [03:18:43] | iamlindoro: | good god what IS this stuff |
| [03:18:53] | iamlindoro: | It's like something at clever's housre |
| [03:19:31] | wagnerrp: | but it has... 'night vision technology' |
| [03:19:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: You found a 286 laptop? |
| [03:20:07] | iamlindoro: | "Black and White CMOS Camera" |
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| [03:20:44] | clev: | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=264 |
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| [03:30:07] | dustybin: | clev: remember when you ask me to tell you when you was being rude? ...well, your being rude |
| [03:30:20] | clev: | lol |
| [03:30:33] | clev: | i saw people talking about cmos cameras so i posted a related link |
| [03:31:59] | fryfrog: | does anyone know of a way to cancel a current recording from command line, sort of like what clicking "delete" or "delete+re-record" in mythweb does? |
| [03:32:36] | dustybin: | fryfrog: telnet? |
| [03:32:46] | fryfrog: | oh, can you do that via telnet? |
| [03:32:51] | fryfrog: | hang on, but that is for frontend no? |
| [03:32:57] | dustybin: | im not sure |
| [03:32:59] | fryfrog: | there isn't a "telnet" interface for the BE right? |
| [03:33:05] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:33:08] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [03:33:11] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, disregard all said by dustybin |
| [03:33:12] | fryfrog: | close :) |
| [03:33:15] | clev: | you could manualy enter the mythtv protocol thru telnet |
| [03:33:20] | clev: | but the thing aint easy to type out |
| [03:33:32] | clev: | you have to know how long your commands are before you type them |
| [03:33:39] | fryfrog: | thats... |
| [03:33:42] | fryfrog: | interesting :p |
| [03:33:54] | clev: | every 'command' has to be prefixed by its size in bytes |
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| [03:34:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:34:10] | clev: | which is space padded to be 8 characters |
| [03:34:25] | clev: | i wrote a crude telnet client which handled that automaticaly and did a few minor things |
| [03:37:35] | dustybin: | interesting link http://tankadillo.com/x264-anime |
| [03:41:15] | dustybin: | what is a roough typical bitrate used on a dvd .iso? 4000kbps ? |
| [03:41:34] | iamlindoro: | 9 Mbit |
| [03:41:43] | iamlindoro: | (is the high end of the DVD spec) |
| [03:41:50] | dustybin: | blooody heck |
| [03:42:15] | dustybin: | i guess dvd9 would use the high end and dvd5 the lower end |
| [03:42:16] | wagnerrp: | average is probably around 5–7 |
| [03:42:26] | wagnerrp: | (for dvd9) |
| [03:47:16] | dustybin: | im going to encode everything at 1800 this time, if the film has more detail, ill up it to 2000+ |
| [03:56:23] | RyeBrye: | Is there a way to get Myth to use handbrake to transcode DVD's rather than mtd? |
| [03:56:26] | RyeBrye: | handbrake is way faster |
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| [03:59:24] | dustybin: | RyeBrye: good idea for a future feature |
| [04:00:47] | wagnerrp: | 1800 what? |
| [04:01:07] | wagnerrp: | i assume kbps, but what codec |
| [04:01:22] | dustybin: | x264 |
| [04:01:37] | dustybin: | inside a .mkv container |
| [04:02:27] | xv6800: | how can You have better picture quality on mythtv? I have ati card unfortunately. |
| [04:02:38] | wagnerrp: | 1800 should more that you need |
| [04:02:56] | wagnerrp: | how is your picture quality poor? |
| [04:03:16] | xv6800: | I can see slow picture redraw. |
| [04:03:22] | xv6800: | not smooth picture movement |
| [04:03:38] | wagnerrp: | xv probably isnt functioning |
| [04:03:54] | wagnerrp: | or, your computer is otherwise too slow to play back your content |
| [04:03:57] | wagnerrp: | what is the source? |
| [04:04:07] | xv6800: | dvb-s |
| [04:04:21] | wagnerrp: | processor? |
| [04:04:26] | xv6800: | got AMD 6400 Processor.. |
| [04:05:04] | wagnerrp: | that should be plenty |
| [04:05:29] | wagnerrp: | my only guess is that either xv isnt working, or theres something running in the background causing problems |
| [04:05:42] | xv6800: | what is xv? |
| [04:05:59] | wagnerrp: | Xvideo |
| [04:06:14] | wagnerrp: | video display acceleration |
| [04:06:16] | xv6800: | how do I check? |
| [04:06:20] | wagnerrp: | provides hardware scaling and the like |
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| [04:06:33] | wagnerrp: | run 'mplayer -vo xv <some file>' |
| [04:06:48] | wagnerrp: | if xv isnt working, it will give you an error on the terminal indicating as such |
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| [04:07:19] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: is it possible handbrake has some sort of 'turbo mode'? |
| [04:07:39] | wagnerrp: | when doing a 2-pass encode, it runs the first pass under drastically lower quality settings |
| [04:08:39] | wagnerrp: | since all you need on the first pass is rough quantizer information |
| [04:09:23] | xv6800: | I am running mplayer and it is working ok. |
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| [04:11:38] | xv6800: | VDec: vo config request – 544 x 480 (preffered colorsace : Planar YV12) |
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| [04:12:41] | wagnerrp: | why are you running 480 lines, you should be running 576 lines |
| [04:13:04] | xv6800: | I am running default... dont know even what to change and where hehe. |
| [04:13:27] | xv6800: | that's what I see in mplayer when I ran as you asked. |
| [04:14:04] | wagnerrp: | well 480 lines is the NTSC standard, 576 is PAL |
| [04:14:08] | xv6800: | The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. on top says |
| [04:14:16] | xv6800: | mine is NTSC |
| [04:14:21] | wagnerrp: | and afaik, NTSC and DVB-S do not exist anywhere together |
| [04:14:42] | xv6800: | hmm. |
| [04:15:19] | wagnerrp: | well if it complained about the video output, i would assume xv not working is your problem |
| [04:15:32] | wagnerrp: | fglrx drivers are very finicky |
| [04:16:01] | xv6800: | yeah I figure now ... that's why I am looking for better picture. |
| [04:16:29] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: lots of satellites here in the US are dvb with ntsc video |
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| [04:17:01] | wagnerrp: | (assuming Xv is your problem) youre not going to fix it until you get your drivers fixed, or get a new card |
| [04:17:42] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man2: i had thought US satellite broadcasts did not follow the DVB standard (having absolutely no experience in the area) |
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| [04:18:14] | xv6800: | wagnerrp how can I fix driver any pointer please. |
| [04:18:33] | wagnerrp: | dont know, ive never managed to get fglrx working |
| [04:18:49] | wagnerrp: | although i only tried briefly a year ago on an old 9800 pro |
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| [04:22:49] | xv6800: | guess time to reboot.. something is wrong now. |
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| [04:24:20] | wylie: | is there a build of mythstream that works with svn trunk? |
| [04:24:47] | wagnerrp: | mythstream is no longer maintained, and trunk uses a new UI which needs completely new builds |
| [04:24:51] | wagnerrp: | so no |
| [04:25:44] | wylie: | any working stream plugins? |
| [04:25:58] | wagnerrp: | there is a youtube plugin in trunk |
| [04:26:10] | clev: | i think i saw that within mythnews ages ago |
| [04:27:29] | wylie: | <- been running trunk for 6 years (with last 6 months pause for qt4 to mature) --- too bad mythstream has not been kept up. there are some interesting international news broadcasts with decent quality |
| [04:27:49] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: in the US there are two different standards in use, there is digicipger II and there is dvb' |
| [04:28:41] | CCFL_Man2: | for satellite transmissions |
| [04:28:58] | CCFL_Man2: | over the air it's atsc |
| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | how are the news broadcasts streamed? anything you could handle with the iptv inputs? |
| [04:29:31] | CCFL_Man2: | which is similar to dcII |
| [04:30:06] | wylie: | yes... unfortunately, i just moved to latest trunk, so mythstream not working to go back and tear it apart. looking at the code now for sources. [at the least, it could be scripted into a menu feed that calls vlc, mplayer or xine. |
| [04:30:09] | CCFL_Man2: | wylie: i'm sure you can receive DW-TV free via satellite |
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| [04:47:14] | RyeBrye: | Does the trunk have any nifty new features that are worth upgrading to now, or is the mythUI stuff still in heavy flux? |
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| [04:48:43] | wagnerrp: | there are areas of the plugins still in heavy flux |
| [04:49:22] | wagnerrp: | how about... dont update to trunk if there are going to be other family members who main complain about breakage |
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| [06:39:18] | pbj: | Hey guys. I got a DVB-S up and running. Is there anyhow I can get subtitles on the moviechannels. Most of the channels are sendt with subtitles, but the moviechannels haven't got the options to choose subtitles – allthough I can get to chose between the different languages – I cannot chose the subtitles on it |
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| [08:58:44] | justinh: | fun day for me so far. played with the dog, fed the dog. Took dog for a walk. Dog went for a swim in the canal. Little bugger |
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| [09:27:55] | justinh: | I wonder what people would call 'an acceptable' channel change time, since it's such a point of dissent out there |
| [09:28:07] | justinh: | 1 second? 2 seconds? 3 seconds? |
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| [09:51:21] | directhex: | justinh, <2 |
| [09:58:09] | justinh: | it's well within the capacity of a lot of people to stuff the code with plenty of VERBOSE messages- there's talk of 'profiling' on that thread but the times involved are all perceptible |
| [09:59:42] | directhex: | 0.22 was gonna need some high min version of qt4 wasn't it? |
| [09:59:53] | directhex: | for some of the canvas functions |
| [09:59:56] | justinh: | 4.3 IIRC |
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| [10:05:04] | Dibblah: | Okay. That's insane. 2 day delivery times from HK. |
| [10:05:28] | directhex: | been buying brides? |
| [10:05:52] | Dibblah: | HDMI repeater. But close... |
| [10:07:28] | Dibblah: | Given his behavior does anyone think this guy isn't a troll? |
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| [10:08:36] | justinh: | Dibblah: linuxguy123? have you searched on his email address? Very revealing |
| [10:08:49] | justinh: | two words – professional troll |
| [10:09:20] | justinh: | whining about a KDE release being more than 2 weeks 'late', e.g. |
| [10:09:41] | justinh: | and I thought I had a personality defect. heh |
| [10:10:29] | Dibblah: | It's not a defect, it's a feature. ;) |
| [10:10:46] | Dibblah: | Ah, good old TV Licensing. |
| [10:11:04] | Dibblah: | "You don't have a license for this address, but you bought a TV!" |
| [10:11:26] | justinh: | I keep looking for the box to tick to pay extra to stop topuptv & the shopping channels |
| [10:11:50] | Dibblah: | ... Of course, there is a license for this address, but not in my name. Rodgering tosspots couldn't use a database to save their lives. |
| [10:13:34] | justinh: | ah but you can't have people missing their obligation to have a licence – there could be multiple people living in rooms at one address independently |
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| [10:13:54] | justinh: | you now have to prove that isn't the case |
| [10:14:35] | justinh: | £1000 fine? you can get off with less if you kill a kid through dangerous driving |
| [10:15:04] | justinh: | I'm all for the TV licence I just object to the way they go about collecting it |
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| [10:16:15] | ** justinh fills in some paper purchase reqs which the purchasing dept will enter into a computer-based system, then print out & fax to the suppliers ** | |
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| [10:38:28] | sid3windr: | wtf, tv license =) |
| [10:39:41] | justinh: | small price to pay for commercial free channels with programming actually worth watching IMHO |
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| [10:49:41] | Dibblah: | Woo hoo – No more sparklies on my extra long thingy. |
| [10:49:54] | Dibblah: | I would call it a HDMI cable, but it's not. |
| [10:50:10] | laga: | huh? |
| [10:50:24] | Dibblah: | DVI / HDMI / Repeater / Switch / PS3 + Myth. |
| [10:50:34] | Dibblah: | Total length is about 20m. |
| [10:51:32] | Dibblah: | Actually, it's not a true repeater. It's just a cable equaliser. |
| [10:51:55] | Dibblah: | Which, very annoyingly, has switch functionality built in the chip, but not exported on the device :( |
| [10:52:44] | Dibblah: | (CXB1441R based – From China, so probably not actually a Sony part) |
| [10:56:54] | justinh: | sparklies on HDMI? lol |
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| [10:57:32] | justinh: | just a cheap & nasty hdmi cable was it? |
| [10:57:47] | justinh: | that said though, 20 metres is quite long |
| [10:58:06] | justinh: | a fair feat for what.. 20gbits/sec to travel unabaited |
| [10:58:13] | justinh: | or whatever |
| [10:58:59] | justinh: | 2.25Gb/sec ? that all? |
| [10:59:01] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [11:00:45] | Dibblah: | Indeed, to both. |
| [11:01:20] | justinh: | how much was the repeater thingy? |
| [11:01:22] | Dibblah: | Don't have all that much choice on the cable – It had to run inside the joists. |
| [11:01:27] | Dibblah: | £7 or so. |
| [11:01:30] | justinh: | ! |
| [11:01:32] | justinh: | nice |
| [11:01:35] | Dibblah: | So had to be thin. |
| [11:02:13] | justinh: | I've seen how much folks are charging for fancy hdmi wallplates.. that could be a nifty sideline |
| [11:02:42] | Dibblah: | Of course, that's not the full picture – Shipping :( |
| [11:02:47] | Dibblah: | So £16. |
| [11:02:52] | justinh: | I'm guessing your gadget is active & needs a wall wart |
| [11:03:02] | Dibblah: | But no power required, since HDMI / DVI has a 5v line embedded. |
| [11:03:13] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [11:04:15] | Dibblah: | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/meestore?_nkw . . . mp;_osacat=0 |
| [11:04:32] | Dibblah: | $40 for their wallplates. |
| [11:04:39] | Dibblah: | £, even. |
| [11:05:09] | justinh: | £40?! |
| [11:05:21] | Dibblah: | Yeah, my thought too. |
| [11:05:26] | justinh: | christ – seen cheaper than that on home automation websites |
| [11:05:39] | Dibblah: | If you're planning it as a sideline and can invest slightly, then look on dealextreme. |
| [11:06:17] | justinh: | do they sell UK backbox compatible faceplates? |
| [11:07:56] | Dibblah: | Probably not ;) |
| [11:09:21] | Dibblah: | Of course, some of the things on there are of dubious value. |
| [11:09:22] | Dibblah: | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12276 |
| [11:09:26] | Dibblah: | And... Taste. |
| [11:10:02] | Dibblah: | "HiPhone", etc. |
| [11:10:07] | laga: | DX rocks |
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| [11:21:22] | ** justinh chuckles at ** | |
| [11:21:22] | ** justinh chuckles at 12:07 < Dibblah> Probably not ;) ** | |
| [11:21:28] | justinh: | ffs |
| [11:21:33] | justinh: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/23/sickie_woo/ |
| [11:21:35] | justinh: | that ^^ |
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| [11:23:26] | laga: | burn |
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| [11:35:48] | justinh: | wonder if DX sell video baluns |
| [11:36:20] | justinh: | yes. 8 for $36.90 shipped |
| [11:41:24] | laga: | now that's cheap |
| [11:41:55] | justinh: | cheaper than dicking around with components & building stuff sure |
| [11:42:16] | justinh: | I think I'll convert all my CCTV cameras to passive baluns |
| [11:43:06] | laga: | hum. so BNC is for FBAS? |
| [11:43:18] | laga: | s/fbas/composite/ |
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| [11:54:10] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:54:38] | justinh: | or component. though I'll have to put bnc plugs back on my camera cables. meh |
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| [12:53:28] | Thomas-: | justinh: about CCTV and DX, have you seen the pan & scan IP camera at DX for $112? Just ordered one last week |
| [12:53:53] | Thomas-: | Should be able to get it to work with zoneminder |
| [12:53:59] | seravitae: | hi there, mythtv just won't pick up any channels whatsoever. i tried with me-tv and it picks a few up.. any ideas what info i can use from me-tv to get mythtv to find my channels? |
| [13:01:59] | justinh: | Thomas-: nope, but my next cameras will all be IP megapixel jobs with floodlighting |
| [13:02:09] | justinh: | PAL CCTV is as good as USELESS |
| [13:02:16] | justinh: | ntsc even more so |
| [13:02:36] | justinh: | unless you can half-fill the frame with a perp's face forget about it |
| [13:03:28] | justinh: | and fyi, seeing cctv cameras is no deterrent to a thief. it wasnt when I got burgled |
| [13:04:50] | jams: | All you have to do is say "zoom & enhance" and it's possible to view any part of the image. Many TV shows and movies know use this technique. |
| [13:05:42] | ** justinh smacks his forehead on the desk. If only I'd remembered that! ** | |
| [13:05:44] | justinh: | DUH |
| [13:05:47] | seravitae: | i tried deleting and resetting up my dvb adapter, as suggested somewhere on mythtv forums but that doesnt seem to help |
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| [13:06:07] | justinh: | seravitae: dvb-s ? |
| [13:06:08] | seravitae: | i dont undertand why me-tv can lock but mythtv can't. :/ |
| [13:06:12] | seravitae: | ill check |
| [13:06:19] | justinh: | what do you mean you'll check? |
| [13:06:23] | justinh: | :-O |
| [13:06:34] | seravitae: | im new to this |
| [13:06:36] | seravitae: | DVB-T |
| [13:06:41] | justinh: | you either know it's satellite or not ;) |
| [13:06:45] | seravitae: | oh. |
| [13:06:52] | seravitae: | no sattelite. |
| [13:06:59] | justinh: | dvb-t scanning should just work out of the box |
| [13:07:13] | seravitae: | well, it aint :P |
| [13:07:32] | justinh: | oh wait. do you know if you get your channels from a main transmitter or a local relay (translator) station? |
| [13:07:42] | seravitae: | no, i dont |
| [13:07:59] | justinh: | there's a problem which recently came to light which affects people who get their TV from a local relay |
| [13:08:15] | seravitae: | within mythtv only? |
| [13:08:23] | justinh: | and it's caused by the broadcast streams lying about the frequency they're broadcast on |
| [13:08:42] | justinh: | mythtv follows the dvb spec, so if the streams lie, it fails |
| [13:08:49] | quicksilver: | interesting. |
| [13:09:05] | justinh: | seravitae: when you scan for channels does it find some? |
| [13:09:16] | seravitae: | none |
| [13:09:23] | justinh: | none, even during scanning? |
| [13:09:29] | seravitae: | none at all even with a long timeout |
| [13:09:39] | seravitae: | in me-tv i find a few channels, all the same "comapny" but different channels |
| [13:09:41] | justinh: | ok, so less likely to be the problem I just mentioned |
| [13:09:43] | seravitae: | and it watches fine |
| [13:10:03] | justinh: | are you doing a FULL scan in mythtv-setup ? |
| [13:10:06] | seravitae: | yep. |
| [13:10:28] | justinh: | running mythtv-setup from a terminal do you see any messages about stuff in the terminal output? |
| [13:10:35] | justinh: | when scanning I mean |
| [13:10:38] | seravitae: | ill check |
| [13:12:43] | seravitae: | nah, nothing in terminal |
| [13:13:40] | justinh: | try with -v siparser |
| [13:14:03] | seravitae: | ok. just looking in the log file now |
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| [13:14:44] | justinh: | if you could pastebin the output that might help |
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| [13:16:25] | seravitae: | running with mythtv-setup -v siparser now |
| [13:17:53] | seravitae: | nup nothing in terminal |
| [13:18:11] | seravitae: | just the usuall stopping mythtv server: mythbackend.. restarting.. etc |
| [13:18:30] | justinh: | argh ubuntu! |
| [13:18:42] | justinh: | stop mythbackend manually |
| [13:18:49] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:18:53] | justinh: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop |
| [13:18:57] | mzb_d800: | seravitae: where are you? |
| [13:19:01] | seravitae: | australia |
| [13:19:01] | justinh: | and then I think you need mythtv-setup.real |
| [13:19:22] | mzb_d800: | I mean which transmitter in .au are you using? |
| [13:19:32] | seravitae: | i dont know |
| [13:19:49] | mzb_d800: | ok, so let me rephrase |
| [13:19:54] | mzb_d800: | WHERE ARE YOU? |
| [13:19:54] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [13:19:57] | seravitae: | queensland :) |
| [13:20:06] | mzb_d800: | ffs |
| [13:20:17] | mzb_d800: | how about you narrow it down so I can help you |
| [13:20:17] | seravitae: | sorry, i'm not usually this noob |
| [13:20:21] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [13:20:25] | seravitae: | i havent watched tv in years let alone this digital crap :P |
| [13:20:29] | mzb_d800: | I brought up the translator issue |
| [13:20:46] | mzb_d800: | it seems to be .au specific at this point |
| [13:20:54] | seravitae: | oh, ok, interesting. |
| [13:21:06] | mzb_d800: | so I need to be able to do a search by your location |
| [13:21:14] | mzb_d800: | then I need more information |
| [13:21:25] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:21:28] | mzb_d800: | but your location is the starting point |
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| [13:21:31] | seravitae: | do you want like a street address? |
| [13:21:47] | mzb_d800: | if it takes me > 30secs to get that out of you I'll lose interest ;) |
| [13:22:00] | mzb_d800: | street address in a public # might not be so good |
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| [13:22:15] | seravitae: | try for capalaba, queensland (4157) then |
| [13:22:22] | mzb_d800: | k, thanks |
| [13:22:39] | mzb_d800: | let me see what I can find out ... brb |
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| [13:23:10] | seravitae: | justinh – http://pastebin.com/m7ae5bbdd |
| [13:23:37] | seravitae: | doesnt seem like anythings wrong, except maybe that mythtv could not connect to socket / no such file or directory thing, but.. *shrug* |
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| [13:27:16] | mzb_d800: | seravitae: I assume I have an aerial on your roof? Where is it pointed to? |
| [13:27:53] | seravitae: | nah, i have a portable one that came with my usb tuner |
| [13:27:58] | seravitae: | its at full extension |
| [13:28:08] | seravitae: | ill see if i can find a bigger one though |
| [13:28:48] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [13:29:01] | mzb_d800: | can you see any mountains? |
| [13:29:58] | seravitae: | no |
| [13:30:10] | seravitae: | i can't find a bigger aerial at the moment, ill look tomorrow though |
| [13:30:24] | mzb_d800: | that close to Brisbane I can't believe you'd not find a decent digital transmitter |
| [13:30:26] | seravitae: | bearing in mind that me-tv can find SBS. |
| [13:30:36] | mzb_d800: | the question will be what band it's on |
| [13:31:04] | mzb_d800: | the most common aerial to buy (in .au at least) will be a combined VHF/UHF aerial |
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| [13:31:55] | mzb_d800: | just keep in mind that some of the transmitters (particularly the translators that cover the deads spots!) use high-band UHF .... totally different aerial |
| [13:32:08] | seravitae: | im getting like 65% signal strength though |
| [13:32:18] | seravitae: | oh okay, i can buy a hdtv aerial then |
| [13:32:21] | mzb_d800: | means very little |
| [13:32:33] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:32:48] | stoth: | I upgraded my ps3 firmware o 2.50 today and noticed somethng very nice about the mythtv upnp integration..... AC3 now plays from transport files on the ps3. |
| [13:32:51] | seravitae: | the scnaning offset 1 — no signal thing in a loop is a bit wierd |
| [13:32:56] | mzb_d800: | and until you know which transmitter you're trying to receive from, you won't know which aerial to buy |
| [13:33:05] | seravitae: | shouldnt it have more offsets to search |
| [13:33:07] | stoth: | no comskip, but the rest works well now. |
| [13:33:09] | mzb_d800: | (and DON'T listen to a salesman!) |
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| [13:33:18] | seravitae: | i dont listen to salesmen heh :P |
| [13:33:23] | mzb_d800: | good |
| [13:33:28] | mzb_d800: | do your research |
| [13:33:53] | mzb_d800: | start by looking at your neighbours ... and see what they're pointing at |
| [13:34:15] | mzb_d800: | if necessary, draw pictures of the aerials they're using |
| [13:34:46] | seravitae: | well |
| [13:34:57] | seravitae: | we have a digital tv in the other room but the tuner is built in and i dont see an aerial |
| [13:34:57] | mzb_d800: | (there's a big difference between VHF, VHF+(low)UHF, (low)UHF and (high)UHF) |
| [13:35:52] | mzb_d800: | yep ... but then you start doing things with computers and you find out that the sensitivity of the tuner in a PC card is probably not as good as that in a set-top box |
| [13:36:16] | seravitae: | Hm |
| [13:36:19] | mzb_d800: | and that a half-decent aerial ( ie: > wet string) is required |
| [13:36:32] | mzb_d800: | dead serious |
| [13:36:36] | seravitae: | me-tv exports a channel.conf, so im trying to import that into mythtv |
| [13:36:45] | mzb_d800: | good luck |
| [13:37:03] | mzb_d800: | if you can give me the rest of the info I can help you |
| [13:37:13] | mzb_d800: | eg: if you're running off a translator |
| [13:37:26] | mzb_d800: | other than that ... get an aerial |
| [13:37:28] | mzb_d800: | either way |
| [13:37:33] | justinh: | argh trying to get stuff worky with one of those crappy little sticks? meh |
| [13:37:36] | justinh: | no wonder |
| [13:37:39] | mzb_d800: | you need to do some research |
| [13:37:48] | justinh: | the wind must be blowing the right way when it works in metv |
| [13:38:10] | mzb_d800: | seravitae: justinh is just jealous of dvb-t ;) ... it's worth it in the long run ;) |
| [13:38:22] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [13:38:26] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
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| [13:38:36] | seravitae: | heh |
| [13:38:46] | mzb_d800: | btw, wtf is metv? |
| [13:39:02] | justinh: | those little sticks are unlikely to pick up much unless you can see the transmitter mast out of your window |
| [13:39:18] | mzb_d800: | ditto |
| [13:39:28] | ** mzb_d800 agrees iow ** | |
| [13:39:45] | seravitae: | ok ill buy a new aerial then |
| [13:39:48] | justinh: | you might aswell stick your finger in the aerial socket fwiw |
| [13:39:53] | seravitae: | and what should i do about finding the other info? |
| [13:40:19] | justinh: | mzb_d800: http://me-tv.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| [13:40:48] | mzb_d800: | ps: I had direct line of sight to a 150–200kW transmitter, and 99% signal on an STB, but a "digital stub" was just not good enough . |
| [13:40:55] | justinh: | it's me tv mate. smoke me a shrimp on yer barbie & chuck us a coupla tinnies |
| [13:40:56] | mzb_d800: | (~ 6km) |
| [13:41:24] | seravitae: | its just wierd that me-tv can see *something* and mythtv can't see anything |
| [13:41:32] | justinh: | not really |
| [13:41:43] | justinh: | not when you factor in the little teensy stick aerial |
| [13:41:47] | mzb_d800: | me f0rkin gawd! |
| [13:41:50] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:42:11] | justinh: | the comment I made about the wind blowing the right way wasn't far off the mark believe me;) |
| [13:42:11] | mzb_d800: | bottom line: get better signal |
| [13:42:15] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:42:40] | mzb_d800: | but first: examine your neighbourhood |
| [13:42:54] | mzb_d800: | mine's a little confusing: |
| [13:43:29] | seravitae: | ok, ill look tomorrow though, its night time, cant see anyones roofs |
| [13:43:29] | mzb_d800: | old crowd: pointing VHF over brow of hill at main transmitter (and living with ghosting) |
| [13:44:08] | mzb_d800: | new crowd: point high-band UHF to east at translator with weaker signal but perfect reception |
| [13:44:32] | mzb_d800: | ==> now I'm using both coz I can ;) |
| [13:44:44] | seravitae: | heh |
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| [13:45:04] | mzb_d800: | seravitae: if you're lucky you can get VHF |
| [13:45:24] | seravitae: | vhf is better? |
| [13:45:35] | mzb_d800: | better than nothing |
| [13:45:39] | seravitae: | heh |
| [13:45:48] | mzb_d800: | in which case a set of rabbit ears would be the next step up from a stub aerial |
| [13:45:55] | seravitae: | i cant buy a roof antenna btw |
| [13:46:02] | mzb_d800: | (at least for testing) |
| [13:46:02] | seravitae: | yeah, i was looking for our old rabbit ears |
| [13:46:13] | seravitae: | not sure what my oldies did with it |
| [13:46:34] | mzb_d800: | you can always make a dipole and get the ${WOMAN} to hold it |
| [13:46:47] | seravitae: | heh |
| [13:46:51] | mzb_d800: | "stand still ${WOMAN} the picture looks like shit!" |
| [13:47:00] | seravitae: | my woman cant stand at the moment :P |
| [13:47:13] | mzb_d800: | that f0rks that plan ;) |
| [13:47:21] | seravitae: | yeah. she fell down a mountain |
| [13:47:29] | seravitae: | how selfish! now i can't watch tv |
| [13:47:34] | mzb_d800: | tape on the wall can suffice if the wall is facing the right direction ;) |
| [13:48:13] | mzb_d800: | yeah, bl00dy women ... give 'em a choice between holding an aerial vs falling down a mountain ... ;) |
| [13:48:22] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [13:48:59] | mzb_d800: | a VHF aerial is much simpler to make than a UHF aerial |
| [13:49:22] | mzb_d800: | if you can get VHF I'd suggest making one rather than buying |
| [13:49:55] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:49:58] | mzb_d800: | for combined VHF/UHF you're probably looking at $60+ (ish) |
| [13:50:18] | mzb_d800: | for high-band UHF $45 |
| [13:51:21] | mzb_d800: | for home-made VHF = 3 pieces of wood, 2x coat hangers, 2x pieces of steel, and a can of spray paint |
| [13:51:29] | seravitae: | i can do that |
| [13:51:49] | seravitae: | ill try that first if i cant find my rabbit ears |
| [13:51:57] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/buil . . . gital-aerial |
| [13:52:04] | seravitae: | ill be back in about 10 minutes gotta remove a drive from this pc |
| [13:52:11] | mzb_d800: | FIRST: look at what your neighbours have |
| [13:52:15] | seravitae: | ok |
| [13:52:22] | seravitae: | ill take a photo |
| [13:52:33] | seravitae: | brb |
| [13:52:54] | mzb_d800: | if the rear elements (reflectors and dipoles) of their aerials are ~2m wide then it's VHF |
| [13:53:21] | mzb_d800: | if all of the elements look ~10cm then it's high-band UHF |
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| [13:54:29] | mzb_d800: | if it's rear=2M, and ~5–10 elements at the front of similar length (eg: 10–15cm) then it's a combined VHF/UHF (low-band UHF) aerial |
| [13:54:54] | mzb_d800: | that's NOT to say that your neighbours are EXPERTS (or their suppliers) |
| [13:55:00] | mzb_d800: | but you'll get a fair idea |
| [13:56:39] | styelz: | lol http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/23/sickie_woo/ |
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| [14:09:18] | gbee: | if you are using tv_grab_uk_rt then check your xmltv ids several have changed recently and you'll run out of guide data for those channels |
| [14:09:55] | gbee: | regional ids for ITV, xmltvids for bbc three, four and news 24 etc |
| [14:09:56] | justinh: | really? :-O |
| [14:10:03] | justinh: | ;) |
| [14:10:04] | gbee: | yeah, little pissed about it |
| [14:10:17] | gbee: | missed recordings |
| [14:10:20] | justinh: | I was a little pissed they hadn't changed for so long tbh |
| [14:10:41] | justinh: | gbee: were you not here the other day when I mentioned it? |
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| [14:10:49] | gbee: | don't mind that they changed, but that there wasn't any error or notice about it from the grabber |
| [14:10:51] | gbee: | justinh: no |
| [14:11:06] | justinh: | sure you were, or maybe you came in just afterwards |
| [14:11:23] | gbee: | justinh: don't read everything that is said in here, so could have missed it |
| [14:11:23] | justinh: | I made a point of posting to the -users list about it too just in case |
| [14:11:29] | gbee: | good :) |
| [14:11:46] | justinh: | I thought it looked like you were saying something related to it at the time so just assumed. heh |
| [14:12:17] | gbee: | I'm going to make changes to the way we report the grabber has failed, so that it can spot individual channels which are missing |
| [14:12:18] | justinh: | must be a mare though, as often as Sky channels change names |
| [14:13:05] | ** mzb_d800 collapses for the night ** | |
| [14:13:09] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
| [14:13:27] | justinh: | just wondering if we really even need a .xmltv file these days. could mythfilldb not just furnish the grabber with a list of channels to grab instead? |
| [14:13:41] | justinh: | actually that wouldn't help much either |
| [14:13:44] | gbee: | maybe some mechanism in the grabber to inform the application of changes and make the changes automatically |
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| [14:14:05] | justinh: | gbee: I really love what nick's done with our grabber |
| [14:14:07] | gbee: | justinh: it could and we may do that |
| [14:14:17] | mzb_d800: | oh ... btw: found an interesting thing with the mythvideo imdb grabber(?) today |
| [14:14:19] | gbee: | oh yeah, he's done a good job |
| [14:14:44] | mzb_d800: | in some cases, adding a leading 0 to the number gave a result |
| [14:14:48] | justinh: | dunno if it was taking the idea I had & running with it or not but it had me gobsmacked regardless |
| [14:15:22] | justinh: | mzb_d800: imdb grabber is as good as dead officially now |
| [14:15:28] | justinh: | damn amazon |
| [14:15:45] | mzb_d800: | AND, typing a 0, then pasting a 0 doesn't work ... need to either type the number as is, or: |
| [14:15:56] | mzb_d800: | paste number, press home then type 0 |
| [14:16:22] | mzb_d800: | ah ... so what else are you supposed to use? ragetv? |
| [14:16:28] | justinh: | mzb_d800: whatever |
| [14:16:31] | mzb_d800: | why is it still the default? |
| [14:16:39] | justinh: | it probably won't be in 0.22 |
| [14:16:44] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [14:16:59] | justinh: | legal stuff other projects don't give a flying stuff about |
| [14:17:27] | justinh: | that's not to say it'll disappear completely – just become 3rd party – pretty sure of that |
| [14:17:34] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... makes me wonder what to do ... in the process of converting some of my fav movies from recordings to videos |
| [14:18:13] | gbee: | there will be a legal replacement, just hasn't been completed yet |
| [14:18:19] | justinh: | it'll still exist, just 'unofficially' like the google movies script for mythmovies |
| [14:18:52] | mzb_d800: | will stick with what works atm and work it out when my both neurones start working again |
| [14:19:28] | justinh: | fwiw the imdb data is only as good as the users who contribute, and the replacement myth will use is about as good. damned if I can remember what it is though |
| [14:19:39] | Dibblah: | Wow. Not many commits today – Everyone must be benchmarking livetv... ;) |
| [14:19:52] | mzb_d800: | if I'm lucky I'll have time to do that multi-cut music-video script in the next day or so |
| [14:19:59] | mzb_d800: | (got it in my head;)) |
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| [14:20:47] | seravitae: | well, this sucks |
| [14:20:53] | mzb_d800: | ok ... will keep an eye out for metadata script, etc ... might even consider trunk |
| [14:21:04] | seravitae: | i touched something on my main box and now the MBR somehow got eerily trashed |
| [14:21:23] | justinh: | mzb_d800: any script for trunk should ostensibly work in -fixes I'd have thought |
| [14:21:38] | mzb_d800: | agreed |
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| [14:22:09] | mzb_d800: | but getting to the stage where a few issues have been fixed that I'd like to have |
| [14:22:26] | mzb_d800: | seravitae: I have to die (lie down) ... let me know if you think I can help with local issues (.au) |
| [14:22:30] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
| [14:22:34] | justinh: | night |
| [14:23:04] | seravitae: | okay, thanks mzb. |
| [14:23:15] | Dibblah: | Oh goodness no. I thought it was agreed not to comment on The Thread :( |
| [14:23:39] | justinh: | what thread? |
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| [14:25:10] | gbee: | hmm, can't work out which other ids have changed, I've got 25 defined but only 23 are being used :) |
| [14:25:29] | gbee: | The Thread |
| [14:27:05] | justinh: | THE Thread? I'm still lost |
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| [14:27:22] | gbee: | Live tv thread in -dev |
| [14:27:27] | jams: | linuxguy |
| [14:27:32] | justinh: | if you're referring to the setup by the pro troll, it's time to get a posse together |
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| [14:28:08] | gbee: | I wouldn't mind speaking to the guy in person |
| [14:28:33] | justinh: | google his email address. mythtv isn't alone in being singled out |
| [14:28:43] | jams: | hmm it's always a bit concerning when people come up to the house and start taking pictures of the landscaping |
| [14:29:06] | justinh: | jams: you may be about to start receiving unsolicited purchase offers! |
| [14:29:41] | ** justinh hands a "photographers will be shot" sign to jams ** | |
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| [14:30:34] | jams: | it's just odd, I don't think it's "all that" |
| [14:30:44] | justinh: | I'd find it odd too |
| [14:31:09] | justinh: | it I was them & I was just admiring your gardening skills I'd at least ask |
| [14:31:23] | justinh: | be sociable about it at least |
| [14:32:23] | jams: | she is being sociable, standing on the sidewalk talking to somebody on her cell phone |
| [14:33:19] | justinh: | pfff |
| [14:33:34] | jams: | the last few times haven't been so concerning, but the first time I saw it had me worried for a bit. |
| [14:34:04] | jams: | This car drove by, did a quick u-turn. The guy jumped out of the car, took a picture, ran back to the car and speed off. |
| [14:34:13] | justinh: | wth? |
| [14:34:19] | jams: | thats what i thought |
| [14:34:33] | justinh: | I'm assuming the features in your garden aren't run of the mill for folks to drop by & take piccies, though |
| [14:34:51] | jams: | i think the first one was for tax purposes. |
| [14:35:11] | justinh: | e.g. some fantastic synchronised son-et-lumiere thing going on every hour, on the hour.. ;) |
| [14:35:33] | jams: | it's nothing special just trees,rocks and shrubs |
| [14:35:48] | justinh: | has google street maps gone guerilla ? |
| [14:36:26] | jams: | now it is a white birch tree, but still nothing special. |
| [14:36:38] | justinh: | I think I'd be asking these guys what they're up to. ok so they're not under any obligation to tell the truth but I'd be skeptical |
| [14:36:59] | justinh: | prolly nothing but still the cogs would be a whirrin' |
| [14:38:24] | jams: | pretty sure this one was nothing, as she picked up some leaves before leaving |
| [14:38:42] | Dibblah: | Maybe she eats them. |
| [14:38:47] | Dibblah: | Along with shoots. |
| [14:38:55] | Dibblah: | Oh, no – That's a different joke. |
| [14:39:19] | justinh: | I'm surprised nobody has pulled me up about my cctv cameras yet |
| [14:40:36] | Dibblah: | They're legal as long as they're signed. |
| [14:40:58] | justinh: | they're not signed |
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| [14:41:22] | Dibblah: | Oh, you naughty boy. |
| [14:41:28] | justinh: | signed or not, they're not supposed to be street-facing either |
| [14:42:11] | justinh: | Dibblah: I'm not putting my phone number on a sign outside my house |
| [14:44:52] | justinh: | I may aswell not have the cameras now actually, for all the good they've done |
| [14:45:00] | Dibblah: | DPA doesn't apply to personal cameras. |
| [14:45:20] | Dibblah: | http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/cctv_c . . . _covers.html |
| [14:46:51] | justinh: | of all people I should've known that :P |
| [14:47:13] | justinh: | I'm still surprised nobody's pulled me about them though |
| [14:48:19] | Dibblah: | I didn't know that and am now considering my options :) |
| [14:49:18] | jblack: | lemme get this right. Your authorities put cameras on every city street, but you can't without a sign? |
| [14:51:50] | Dibblah: | No, in fact, it appears you can. |
| [14:53:56] | justinh: | Dibblah: unless you have very well lit megapixel cameras forget it |
| [14:54:11] | justinh: | otherwise all you can tell is that _somebody_ did stuff |
| [14:54:21] | Dibblah: | Yes – I know the issues. |
| [14:54:29] | Dibblah: | Low light is a bit annoying. |
| [14:54:43] | justinh: | PIR floodlighting |
| [14:55:26] | justinh: | IR illumination isn't much cop- you can't even tell a person's skin/hair/clothing shade under IR |
| [14:55:56] | Dibblah: | Yup. I know. |
| [14:56:11] | justinh: | though you could safely say they were white, skinny & wearing a hoodie |
| [14:56:26] | Dibblah: | However, IR + movement sensing triggering floodlight / flash :) |
| [14:56:44] | justinh: | a 5 MJ strobe. dazzle the feckers |
| [14:58:30] | justinh: | guy here had problems with kids hanging round outside his wife's shop. he rigged up a PIR & a home made high power audio oscillator & it solved the problem |
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| [15:03:29] | justinh: | heh I just thought of another use for that oscillator.. scaring the living bejeesus out of people on public transport. High pitched noise that increases in frequency... lol |
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| [15:09:35] | directhex: | justinh, then get shot by the police for being a terr'ist? |
| [15:09:58] | justinh: | oh crap. yeh |
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| [15:12:05] | neztiti: | can some one tell me what new with 18207 ver. ?? |
| [15:12:21] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [15:12:45] | justinh: | if you're planning to use trunk you should follow the -dev & -commits mailing lists then you'd know |
| [15:13:25] | justinh: | be forewarned & all that |
| [15:13:33] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 170273404448 |
| [15:13:45] | Dibblah: | 8Mpix – Suuuuure it is. |
| [15:14:24] | justinh: | M pixels. not megapixels |
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| [15:14:36] | jams: | commit 18207 = Methods to get the MythUIType assigned to a particular state. |
| [15:14:39] | justinh: | where M = 100 |
| [15:14:51] | fuxxy: | Has anyone attempted to use a Comcast Custom 3 remote control with lirc/myth? |
| [15:15:20] | fuxxy: | My wife and her grandmother have informed me that they can't practically use the mythTV unless we get a better remote |
| [15:15:38] | GreyFoxx: | heh what are you using now? |
| [15:15:46] | GreyFoxx: | I find theMCE remote to be really good |
| [15:15:46] | justinh: | amazon have logitech harmony 5x0 series on special at the mo |
| [15:15:48] | laga: | a trained pet frog |
| [15:15:50] | GreyFoxx: | and was dead easy to setup |
| [15:16:04] | ** justinh used to be a remote control. it sucked ** | |
| [15:16:22] | fuxxy: | GreyFoxx: I'm using the MCE remote that came with my laptop's TV tuner |
| [15:16:26] | justinh: | "justin change the channel" |
| [15:16:30] | justinh: | "justin turn it up" |
| [15:16:33] | justinh: | "justin turn it down" |
| [15:16:49] | _abbenormal: | dont be a remote hog then |
| [15:17:21] | GreyFoxx: | I swear I am gonna setup voicecontrols |
| [15:17:26] | seravitae: | easy fix, just build openEEG boards, hook electrodes up to your grandma, and write a passthru layer from openEEG's tcp socket to LIRC or something. |
| [15:17:27] | justinh: | you young 'uns aren't old enough to realise that there was a time when TVs didn't come with remotes |
| [15:17:31] | laga: | GreyFoxx: that's not too hard |
| [15:17:36] | seravitae: | that way whenever she even THINKS of whinging, mythtv will sort her out |
| [15:17:53] | at0m|c: | justinh, ibood has a Logitech Harmony 555 for 40eu today |
| [15:17:56] | Dibblah: | There was a time when TV remotes annoyed the dog. |
| [15:17:57] | laga: | GreyFoxx: RainCT has a blog entry on julius (or was it iulius?). you just need to write a grammar, not that hard |
| [15:18:01] | GreyFoxx: | I've never used festival and such and want something that triggers shell scripts or something |
| [15:18:18] | fuxxy: | justinh: a 76 year old woman needs to be able to use this remote, I think a Logitech harmony is a little over her head |
| [15:18:18] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Ohhh you wouldn't know of a URL would you? |
| [15:18:35] | GreyFoxx: | I'd hook that up this weekend. Freak my kid out when she can say what she wants to happen :) |
| [15:18:45] | justinh: | fuxxy: god help her with mythtv then |
| [15:18:47] | fuxxy: | justinh: she still refuses to grasp the concept of "buttons with speaker icon == volume" |
| [15:19:06] | Dibblah: | Hmm. I found a non-continuous recognition engine not that long ago. |
| [15:19:14] | laga: | GreyFoxx: let me get it for you |
| [15:19:14] | justinh: | OneForAll.. THE BIG ONE |
| [15:19:17] | Dibblah: | Actively developed and worked quite well. |
| [15:19:26] | jams: | justinh- http://techreport.com/articles.x/14957 |
| [15:19:33] | fuxxy: | justinh: mythtv win't be too bad for her, it can be set to default into LiveTV, which is all she wants |
| [15:19:39] | laga: | GreyFoxx: http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2008/writing- . . . recognition/ |
| [15:20:05] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i actually meant to write a voice control thing using DialogOS, but julius should work as well. i never got around to it, though :( |
| [15:20:09] | justinh: | jams: heh yeah I saw one of those on the BBC's Click programme last weekend |
| [15:20:30] | justinh: | as well as a new tech person on there helping review a DSLR which does video. She was hot |
| [15:20:34] | laga: | GreyFoxx: as a student of computational linguistics, i feel kinda obliged to do something like that ;) |
| [15:20:42] | Dibblah: | Ah. Julius. |
| [15:21:10] | Dibblah: | http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php |
| [15:21:25] | Dibblah: | Okay, so it's continuous – But it can be used with a limited grammar. |
| [15:21:27] | jams: | the review i saw, said it was just frustrating and made you look stupid |
| [15:21:29] | justinh: | riiiight, so to spin the cube to the face where recorded programmes are displayed, imagine the cube spinning _that_ way |
| [15:22:13] | laga: | there's also a project that's working on a language model for english AFAIK |
| [15:22:16] | justinh: | jams: like Hiro about to teleport.. the "is he constipated or just thinking really hard" look |
| [15:22:40] | Dibblah: | The language model exists, but is limited in it's accuracy. |
| [15:22:51] | Dibblah: | (Not enough contributions yet) |
| [15:22:58] | laga: | Dibblah: sorry, i meant the acoustic model. i was referring to voxforge |
| [15:23:15] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [15:23:16] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: "Let me come at you slowly and deliberately so that you can spend four seconds looking like you're having an aneurysm and disappearing!" |
| [15:23:20] | laga: | language model probably is not too hard i guess |
| [15:24:28] | justinh: | my wife calls Hiro 'poo man' |
| [15:24:31] | Dibblah: | WTH? How on earth is Java working in FF x64?!?!? |
| [15:24:45] | laga: | Dibblah: why not? |
| [15:25:04] | Dibblah: | Because there isn't a native x64 java plugin. |
| [15:25:19] | laga: | AFAIK there is? |
| [15:25:31] | laga: | maybe using openjdk |
| [15:25:36] | laga: | or you're running nspluginwrapper |
| [15:25:41] | _abbenormal: | mornin iamlindoro_ |
| [15:25:59] | iamlindoro_: | _abbenormal: hey there |
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| [15:26:18] | Dibblah: | http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archiv . . . -64-bit.html |
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| [15:38:02] | GreyFoxx: | heheh sweet. I'll check out that |
| [15:38:17] | laga: | GreyFoxx: let me know how it goes |
| [15:39:31] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet, this and a little shellscripting should let me remote control myth using the telnet interface |
| [15:39:43] | GreyFoxx: | and the tv since I have controlover that via rs232 |
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| [16:00:46] | GreyFoxx: | damn I wanna try that out now but noone here has a microphone :) |
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| [16:06:16] | justinh: | muhahahahaha.. Poundland report massive profits |
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| [16:31:19] | adante: | hrm |
| [16:32:13] | adante: | does the mythrename script on ubuntu's mythtv package work? |
| [16:32:40] | adante: | when i try to run it i get an error trying to connect to the database |
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| [16:42:05] | wagnerrp: | adante: are you running it as the user that runs mythtv? |
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| [16:42:44] | wagnerrp: | while nearly all of the settings are stored within the database, mythtv still requires some basic config files to tell it where the database is |
| [16:43:07] | wagnerrp: | those are located in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [16:43:11] | wagnerrp: | the xml is the new style |
| [16:43:28] | wagnerrp: | but the txt file stays around for old external scripts like mythrename |
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| [16:43:55] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have that file, mythrename wont work |
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| [16:46:24] | justinh: | IMHO you shouldn't use mythrename to actually rename files either – symlinking via the --link $dir option is safest |
| [16:46:26] | adante: | wagnerrp: yeah i am running it as user that runs mythtv |
| [16:46:44] | adante: | yeah that's what i'm trying to do at the moment actually |
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| [16:48:10] | justinh: | gawd all the effort people go to, to make the ui nice & everything.. some numpty wants to know the sql to manually mangle a recording into the db |
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| [16:49:47] | wagnerrp: | i recently discovered just how absurdly much mangling there is |
| [16:50:15] | wagnerrp: | last night i attempted to consolidate my video sources from (1,4,5,9) to (1,2,3,4) |
| [16:50:31] | justinh: | why? |
| [16:50:43] | justinh: | were they broken? ;) |
| [16:51:01] | wagnerrp: | because i didnt imagine when i started that it was going to take 2 hours of sql entry |
| [16:51:28] | wagnerrp: | replacing channel ids and file names in a dozen different tables |
| [16:52:04] | wagnerrp: | although it was partially broken |
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| [16:52:32] | wagnerrp: | there were some old recordings from my old mythtv incarnation that werent being picked up by mythweb because they were listed under the wrong backend name |
| [16:52:58] | wagnerrp: | playback on the frontend worked fine, but mythweb didnt like it |
| [16:53:18] | justinh: | ah |
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| [16:55:09] | at0m|c: | hm maybe that's why my mythweb refuses duty after adding an extra tuner |
| [16:55:42] | wagnerrp: | mythweb ran just fine, it just refused to show thumbnails for those videos under recorded programs |
| [16:55:55] | wagnerrp: | because they were listed on machine 'dvr' instead of machine 'myth0' |
| [16:56:23] | at0m|c: | i see. here it has "database error" as only page eh |
| [16:56:36] | wagnerrp: | although even then, 'dvr' is a CNAME to 'myth0' |
| [16:56:49] | wagnerrp: | so its some sort of identifier inside mythtv it didnt like |
| [16:57:00] | at0m|c: | right |
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| [16:58:45] | wagnerrp: | it still takes several seconds to load any page in mythweb, even though at the time, backend, sql, and web server loads are all negligible |
| [16:59:17] | wagnerrp: | like its waiting for something to time out |
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| [16:59:46] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp – are the tables optimized? I know you said the sql load was minimal, but it's a quick thing to try |
| [16:59:58] | wagnerrp: | tables were optimized last night |
| [17:00:15] | wagnerrp: | its always ~7 seconds for the recorded programs |
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| [17:04:28] | RyeBrye: | maybe turn on firebug and have it monitor the net loading? is it taking 7 seconds to even get an http response? |
| [17:06:26] | GoalieManPat21: | Does anyone know where the mythtv-frontend install looks for the mythvideo folder at? I am trying to connect my laptop to a myth backend but cannot find where to set it where to look |
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| [17:06:57] | RyeBrye: | the mythvideo folder is local to the frontend – videos on the backend aren't streamed to the frontends |
| [17:07:08] | RyeBrye: | so set it to something on the local filesystem |
| [17:07:21] | RyeBrye: | or share the directory on the backend somehow and mount that on the frontend and point the directory on the frontend to that directory |
| [17:07:51] | RyeBrye: | It's set in the utilities -> setup somewhere – I thnk in video setup or something like that |
| [17:08:11] | ll2: | ubuntu uses /var/video |
| [17:08:47] | GoalieManPat21: | Ya I remember seeing it on my knoppmyth backend. But i installed the frontend through the Ubuntu package manager on my laptop. Can see the tv recordings fine just trying to get my videos up to. |
| [17:09:08] | GoalieManPat21: | But I didnt see the path option in the laptop menus. Thanks ll2. Ill try mounting ot that point |
| [17:10:00] | ll2: | but to be true... |
| [17:10:06] | ll2: | this is a backend config |
| [17:10:10] | ll2: | storage groups |
| [17:10:20] | ll2: | you should be able to see the location using mythtv-setup |
| [17:10:22] | RyeBrye: | The video settings aren't storage groups – that's the recording settings iirc |
| [17:10:29] | GoalieManPat21: | I thought storage groups were for tv recordings |
| [17:10:33] | ll2: | ops... |
| [17:10:35] | ll2: | true |
| [17:10:50] | GoalieManPat21: | I can access those no problem. Im just trying to access my DVD backups |
| [17:10:57] | GoalieManPat21: | in the mythvideo module |
| [17:11:02] | ll2: | I disagree with myself :-) |
| [17:11:07] | GoalieManPat21: | lol |
| [17:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | mythvideo has exactly ONE video location setting, ie, you MUST mount your video directory using SAMBA or NFS in the SAME exact location on every frontend |
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| [17:14:58] | GoalieManPat21: | Ahh that explains why my old knoppmyth frontend would mess up my video manager if I accessed it on the frontend |
| [17:15:03] | GoalieManPat21: | thanks Iam |
| [17:15:06] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [17:16:38] | ** xris digs this new irc proxy server... changes my nick when I'm not logged in, and keeps track of PMs, etc when I'm logged out... ** | |
| [17:18:43] | laga: | xris: can you turn off the nick changing bit? /away is enough. if people want to talk to you, they can check your away status |
| [17:18:53] | laga: | nick changes are annoying and cause extra server load |
| [17:21:18] | xris: | laga: I don't know if it actually sets away status or not |
| [17:24:28] | xris: | ah. docs say it does. so then yes, I'll avoid the nick changes. |
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| [17:29:43] | laga: | great, thanks :) |
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| [17:36:49] | RyeBrye: | Ok, I think I found the solution to my problem. Perhaps it might make a good addition to "known issues" – I was getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m572b642b – and even though I had my ANDROID_JAVA_HOME pointing to Java 1.5 – it looks like it was pulling javac straight out of my PATH – because once I changed the javac in my path from java 1.6 to java 1.5 this error went away (I think) |
| [17:37:05] | RyeBrye: | actually... I don't think – it did go away |
| [17:37:14] | RyeBrye: | Oh crap |
| [17:37:16] | RyeBrye: | wrong chanenl :P |
| [17:39:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | xris: which irc proxy server? ;-) Is it pay/free ??? |
| [17:40:16] | sid3windr: | there are bnc's you have to pay for?! |
| [17:40:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sid3windr: I dunno, that's why I asked... ;-) |
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| [17:45:09] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A|work: dircproxy — open source app |
| [17:45:53] | xris: | irssi will proxy, too, but dircproxy keeps track of stuff that happens when you're logged out, and can send it along when you reconnect. |
| [17:46:07] | laga: | i just use irssi + screen |
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| [17:49:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | xris: awesome... I'll look into it later tonight when I get home. ;-) |
| [17:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | I use a webcam pointed at my screen at home and irsend into a robot that touches keys for me. This message took me three hours to write and send. |
| [17:49:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro: wow, and no typos! |
| [17:50:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_ ^^ |
| [17:51:17] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A|work: http://code.google.com/p/dircproxy/ and http://home.pcisys.net/~tbc/hacks/dircproxy.htm |
| [17:51:49] | xris: | I found it has issues separating servers if you use *it* to auto-join channels, do I'd recommend avoiding that and just let your irc client do that work. same with nickserv stuff. |
| [17:52:58] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13405 |
| [17:53:10] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Appears the Xine+ATI+UVD thing is still full of FAIL |
| [17:53:41] | laga: | iamlindoro_: --verbose |
| [17:53:43] | laga: | ah |
| [17:53:43] | laga: | doh |
| [17:53:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: i believe you can have multiple root paths, separating them by colons |
| [17:55:47] | wagnerrp: | wow, another blood pressure monitor |
| [17:55:51] | wagnerrp: | seems one wasnt enough |
| [17:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Still doesn't change the fact that there is only one DB setting for it, and that it must be the same on all frontends |
| [17:56:09] | iamlindoro_: | and they would ALL need to be network mounted in the same spots |
| [17:56:10] | wagnerrp: | true |
| [17:56:39] | iamlindoro_: | ie the comma separated doesn't help you mount them in different spots on different frontends |
| [17:59:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: ahh well, it should all be worked out eventually, as has been pointed out the announcement of working UVD support was made prematurely and not by AMD themselves |
| [18:00:13] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yep, sort of sounds like if it's going to be "official" it'll be in 8.11 next month |
| [18:00:40] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I started poking today when I pulled a UVD2-capable card out of a system here and considered taking it home to play-- will wait for something more official |
| [18:05:04] | gbee: | could be any of the next three releases, from what I understand AMD has three linux driver teams working on different features – each team has a three month dev cycle |
| [18:05:33] | gbee: | if you like, the features in each new monthly release are by a different team |
| [18:06:18] | gbee: | but I suspect the inclusion of certain hooks in 8.10 suggests that it may be sooner rather than later |
| [18:08:19] | wagnerrp: | seems it just takes that long for mythweb to pull all the images from the backend |
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| [18:09:19] | wagnerrp: | firebug lists ~400–800ms per thumbnail |
| [18:09:35] | wagnerrp: | and i suppose its only set up to do so many in parallel |
| [18:09:55] | Dagmar: | This is true |
| [18:10:13] | Dagmar: | For semi-obvious reasons the browser limits the number of simultaneous connections it'll make |
| [18:11:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I had disabled the thumbnail display in the past and my recoding screen came up in 3 seconds vs 20 seconds... (approx 500 recoerdings)... |
| [18:12:15] | gbee: | aren't modern browsers supposed to display the page before loading all images? |
| [18:12:35] | Dagmar: | Not really. |
| [18:12:44] | wagnerrp: | unless the images are loaded in through javascript, rather than through html |
| [18:12:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Perhaps that could be 'ajaxified' to load the page quickly, then fill in the thumbnails... ^^ exactly. ;-) |
| [18:13:00] | Dagmar: | Basically, the things load as much of the HTML document as they can to figure out when they can start displaying the page |
| [18:13:07] | Dagmar: | er as needed to figure out |
| [18:13:23] | gbee: | some do at least, iirc Opera was the first to work that way, I thought others were following suit |
| [18:13:26] | Dagmar: | Once hte browser has an idea of what kinda layout it'll need to draw, then it starts grabbing graphics |
| [18:13:45] | Dagmar: | gbee: It *sounds* like a good idea, but in practice it makes page loads slower |
| [18:14:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | IIRC, apple's Safari browser loads quite quickly, perhaps it's doing things that way gbee... |
| [18:14:29] | gbee: | hmm, always seemed to work just fine for Opera |
| [18:14:31] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, but its usable far more quickly |
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| [18:14:39] | Dagmar: | Remember, an HTML document might be something that is created dynamically by a very slow database pull, and could reference static graphics on a fast server. |
| [18:14:41] | wagnerrp: | usability does not require images |
| [18:15:00] | Dagmar: | So if you wait for the whole document to load, it's fail time |
| [18:15:13] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well, if you care about blind people |
| [18:15:21] | gbee: | doesn't have to wait until the page is displayed to load the images, just not wait for the images to load before displaying |
| [18:15:43] | Dagmar: | I don't think anything waits for the whole image to load anymore |
| [18:20:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Hum... Firefox on FC8 just loaded it in about 7 seconds, locally on the backend – 264 programs... Not bad, but I remember it was just a 2 or 3 seconds without the thumbnails and 500+ recordings. |
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| [18:21:31] | gbee: | mythweb should be caching thumbnails once fetched from the backend, that keeps things faster |
| [18:22:54] | gbee: | plus the scaled thumbnails are also cached on the backend |
| [18:22:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, they will if the image has a set hight/width and thus can be put in the flow, then it will continue on |
| [18:22:57] | kormoc: | which we should do |
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| [18:22:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ok, Konqueror loaded the HTML in about 2 seconds, the images took another 5 to pop in... pretty impressive imho... |
| [18:24:10] | wagnerrp: | this only 60 recordings, and theyre all from the mythweb data cache |
| [18:24:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Mine was 264 – yeah, cached still from pulling it up in Firefox a few mins ago. |
| [18:25:31] | gbee: | FF2 or 3? |
| [18:26:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: 2 – looks like I didn't install 3 yet... |
| [18:26:42] | gbee: | curious to know if it makes any difference, iirc they said 3 was supposed to be much faster |
| [18:27:37] | wagnerrp: | well beyond that, its far better with memory |
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| [18:28:01] | wagnerrp: | ff2 used to consume some 800MB pulling up my mythvideo page (complete with thumbnails) |
| [18:28:07] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [18:28:08] | wagnerrp: | ff3 is down around 200MB |
| [18:29:01] | wagnerrp: | seems it dumps out currently unused data |
| [18:29:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Well, over an ssh tunnel, with FF3 on my work pc, it took 2 seconds to load the HTML, and about 20 to pull the thumbnails... (slow 1.5mbps net here at work) |
| [18:29:23] | wagnerrp: | if i rapidly scroll the page, it spikes back up to 800, before dropping back down |
| [18:31:55] | gbee: | still way too high |
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| [18:33:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work mythweb video page doesn't work atm... haven't set it back up since a 'somewhat' forced switch from 'raid5' to 'storage groups' after his raid crashed... oops... ** | |
| [18:33:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work -- but that's ok, Storage grops are way faster than my software raid5 was... ;-) ** | |
| [18:34:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mythvideo doesnt work too seamlessly with discrete drives |
| [18:34:25] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
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| [18:34:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Mine is an AMD 4800+ X2 – 2GB ram. |
| [18:35:29] | wagnerrp: | multiple drives will ALWAYS be faster for multiple concurrent accesses on different drives, but raid5 should be faster on a single file |
| [18:36:08] | wagnerrp: | or if the concurrent files are clustered primarily on one drive |
| [18:36:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah... I was trying to avoid losing anything by using raid5, but had two hardware failures on a re-boot, thus bye-bye to my whole myth recordings volume... despite the valiant efforts of iamlindoro_ ... Now if I lose a drive or two, only some of my recorings will be gone... |
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| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | ive only lost my raid due to my own incompetence, but never to hardware failure |
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| [18:38:39] | wagnerrp: | of course several years ago on my first myth install, i lost my entire recordings directory because of lvm issues |
| [18:38:50] | wagnerrp: | it was just a spanned disk |
| [18:39:23] | wagnerrp: | but i could never figure out how to recover the data on the second disk, when the partition master block was lost from the first disk |
| [18:39:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: yeah, before I shut down I verified the raid was healthy and things were good... But upon powering back on, one drive was physically clicking, the 2nd one was quiet, but didn't acknowlege it was even formatted... DOH!!! |
| [18:39:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: ^^^ Been there, done that too... |
| [18:39:50] | moreati: | I've just scanned for FreeView (DVB) channels on a Nova-T 500, and most of the channels have been numbered in the thousands (eg BBC NEWS=4415, rather than 80). Is there some setting that controls the numbering, to make it use 'normal' numbering? |
| [18:40:25] | gbee: | moreati: it should be using the correct number ... no idea why it's using the service id instead |
| [18:40:30] | gbee: | is this -fixes or trunk? |
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| [18:40:52] | wagnerrp: | is it possible that is channel 41, subchannel 5 on tuner 4? |
| [18:40:57] | gbee: | wagnerrp: no |
| [18:41:14] | gbee: | no such thing as sub-channels with DVB |
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| [18:41:21] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok |
| [18:41:31] | moreati: | gbee: It's whatever mythbuntu packaged for 8.10. Could it be hardware specific? Is there any data I can gather to help? |
| [18:41:40] | gbee: | that's the service_id, I happen to know it by heart :) |
| [18:42:21] | wagnerrp: | well you can always go into the channel editor (mythtv-setup) and manually change the name |
| [18:42:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee must <3 freeview, eh? |
| [18:42:22] | moreati: | gbee: oh, and dvb trunk from tuesday, with firmware 1.20 should that matter. |
| [18:42:30] | gbee: | moreati: it's a bug then, but a weird one because that same version worked just fine last time I scanned |
| [18:43:06] | moreati: | gbee: I'll revert back from my self compiled drivers and retry the scan. |
| [18:43:49] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: heh, I approve the channel icons submitted for the UK, since they are matched against network and service id I've gradually had some of the more common service ids hammered into me :) |
| [18:44:00] | gbee: | moreati: doubt it's a driver issue |
| [18:45:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: You mean you guys get channel icons without having to jump through hoops?!? nice... |
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| [18:46:28] | gbee: | moreati: if you can open a ticket – svn.mythtv.org, along with a log created using -v siparser,channel |
| [18:47:06] | moreati: | gbee: forgive my noobness, to what command do I pass that? |
| [18:48:10] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: icon downloading stuff was added for 0.21, users select the correct icons and that information is then submitted back to us, once the matches have been checked and approved all future users get the correct icons automatically when the icon downloader is run |
| [18:48:18] | gbee: | moreati: mythtv-setup |
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| [18:48:35] | gbee: | so "mythtv-setup -v siparser,channel" |
| [18:48:51] | gbee: | delete all the found channels first and then re-run the scan |
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| [18:49:10] | gbee: | might want to add "-l mythtvsetup.log" to that |
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| [18:53:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: even in the US? |
| [18:53:26] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: worldwide |
| [18:53:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: cool. ;-) |
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| [18:54:19] | gbee: | although the US mappings have a big backlog because of the sheer number of channels/regional variations in things like callsign and ATSC networks |
| [18:54:46] | gbee: | there are a lot of unapproved mappings :/ |
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| [18:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: yeah, I'm sure. It'd be relativly easy to assign 'generic' network icons, ie ABC/CBS/NBC, but the channel-specific icons would be a bit more of a chore... |
| [18:55:10] | gbee: | moreati: recalling something from a scan I did the other day which suggests this might be a broadcaster error, open the ticket though because it will remind me and the other devs to look into it |
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| [18:56:26] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: suggest you give it a try, at the very least you might submit mappings which haven't been made yet or increase the score for that particular mapping so that it's approved faster :) |
| [18:57:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Cool, I'll have to read up on it when I get home later today... ;-) |
| [18:57:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: I'm in the Boston, MA area. |
| [18:57:54] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: accessed via a button in the mythtv-setup channel editor |
| [18:58:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Cool. Should the backend be down to do that, or is that a function that should be ok with the backend running? |
| [18:58:52] | gbee: | should run without any problems with the backend up |
| [18:59:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Great, I thought so, but wanted to be sure. ;-) |
| [18:59:16] | gbee: | plan to make it available through the frontend too at some point, maybe in time for 0.22 |
| [18:59:54] | justinh: | fyi if you run ubuntu, mythtv-setup will not take command line options AFAIK – you need to stop the backend manually & run mythtv-setup.real or whatever they called it |
| [19:00:09] | gbee: | eww |
| [19:00:20] | laga: | that should work |
| [19:00:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work runs Fedora, so no issue there for me... ;-) ** | |
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| [19:03:34] | justinh: | that's allegedly so people can run mythtv-setup & safely chnge stuff without knowing the backend has to be stopped |
| [19:03:52] | iamlindoro_: | Owwie |
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| [19:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | 88 degrees + 8 mile run = failhurt |
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| [19:05:59] | moreati: | justinh: thank you i was just getting puzzled by that |
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| [19:07:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: You'd probably be running in our 50 degree weather out here in Boston, eh? ;-) |
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| [19:07:18] | iamlindoro_: | Hell yes, I'll take cold over hot any day |
| [19:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | for running, anyway |
| [19:07:47] | iamlindoro_: | other times I like my California weather |
| [19:07:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work had to turn his furnace back on last week.. ^^ me too... ** | |
| [19:08:11] | justinh: | oh gawd, can mythtv work with those new intertubes connected tellies? trout needed BIG TIME |
| [19:08:18] | ** iamlindoro_ heads off to the showers ** | |
| [19:08:41] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: C'mon, if it has an ethernet cable, it must be a PERFECTLOWPOWERLOWNOISEFRONTEND |
| [19:08:52] | wagnerrp: | !trout justinh |
| [19:08:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
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| [19:15:20] | moreati: | that's weird mythtv-setup just core dumped running the verbose scan |
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| [19:18:20] | iamlindoro_: | moreati: have you already taskset -c 0 it? |
| [19:18:34] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Only if it can run off the power on that ethernet cable |
| [19:18:42] | ** JEDIDIAH_ didn't know that trout were still fashionable... ** | |
| [19:19:20] | moreati: | iamlindoro I don't know what that command does, so no |
| [19:19:30] | iamlindoro_: | moreati: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [19:19:32] | iamlindoro_: | then try |
| [19:19:36] | iamlindoro_: | your scan |
| [19:19:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: I just added hard-coded width and height attributes for the thumbnails and the asx streaming and direct download images, and the page loads in 3 seconds with Firefox locally... |
| [19:19:55] | moreati: | iamlindoro_: ok |
| [19:19:58] | iamlindoro_: | There is a known issue with channel scanning causing crashes in dual or more core machines whose workaround is to pin it to a single processor |
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| [19:20:18] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, you basically made sure it knew immediately what size the image needed to nbe |
| [19:20:50] | Dagmar: | ...so, once it knows that, it can go ahead and start downloading the image |
| [19:21:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: I wonder if it'd be even faster if I added it to the other icons... for close-captioning, etc... |
| [19:21:35] | moreati: | rescanning now |
| [19:22:32] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: Basically, if you don't specify the size of the area the image should be displayed in, the browser has to go to a lot more trouble to figure it out, and will postpone grabbing it until later |
| [19:22:53] | Dagmar: | So, *always* specify height and width on any IMG SRC tag unless you like slow. |
| [19:23:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Yeah, I just added " width="24" height="24" " to the icons too, and blam... cut it down again... neato... |
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| [19:23:48] | Dagmar: | Dis is one o' da perks of having been on the web since before video porn |
| [19:24:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: mee too... but never realized the benefits... Probably doesn't make that much of a difference with just a handful of images, but makes a huge difference with hundreds of images... |
| [19:24:49] | moreati: | hmm, still segfaults |
| [19:25:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: I still do most of my html stuff in a text editor... ;-) |
| [19:25:21] | gbee: | moreati: if you haven't run it already, when you do add "record" to the list of -v args, so "-v siparser,record,channel" |
| [19:25:44] | moreati: | i'll try again with that |
| [19:26:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: sped it up quite a bit over ssh too... ;-) |
| [19:27:03] | iamlindoro_: | moreati: to be clear, that will still segfault, but the terminal output will be helpful in debugging |
| [19:27:05] | Dagmar: | m0j0-j0j0: Seriously man, if you're talking about walking places from that Days Inn, DON'T fucking do it after dark |
| [19:27:08] | Dagmar: | wrong channel |
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| [19:28:28] | moreati: | iamlindoro_ how about if i disable one core in the bios? |
| [19:28:57] | iamlindoro_: | moreati: taskset has the same effect, if it's still segfaulting it's (probably) not that issue |
| [19:29:17] | iamlindoro_: | well, not the *exact* same effect, but it works around the known issue in question |
| [19:30:30] | moreati: | yup, crashed again. Last line of log is 'DVBChan(1:0): Closing DVB channel' Is that enough for your gbee? |
| [19:30:37] | iamlindoro_: | No :( |
| [19:30:40] | iamlindoro_: | er :) |
| [19:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin |
| [19:30:59] | moreati: | iamlindoro_ one sec, different box |
| [19:31:32] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/ftp/multimed . . . lish_to_web/ |
| [19:31:40] | iamlindoro_: | America, eff yeah! |
| [19:32:04] | iamlindoro_: | To be clear, not looking like these people is my reason for running marathons |
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| [19:33:06] | iamlindoro_: | And not sounding like them is my reason for having stuck it out through elementary school |
| [19:33:24] | wagnerrp: | waffle weddings? |
| [19:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Did you listen to the audio/watch the slideshow? |
| [19:33:57] | wagnerrp: | married at waffle house??? im sure that was a proud day for them |
| [19:34:00] | moreati: | http://moreati.org.uk/mythtv-setup-20081023aw.log.2 |
| [19:34:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: that was disturbing... DOH! |
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| [19:34:29] | moreati: | they must have had a waffly good time.. |
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| [19:35:23] | JEDIDIAH_: | people who run marathons tend to look disturbing for other reasons... |
| [19:35:39] | JEDIDIAH_: | moderation |
| [19:36:02] | ** JEDIDIAH_ was married at the same chapel that Al Copone was married in. ** | |
| [19:36:22] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks he looks pretty fit thankyewverymuch ** | |
| [19:36:44] | wagnerrp: | so comcast is now offering 50mbps service... is that still with the 250GB/mo cap? |
| [19:36:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | btw Dagmar – that made a HUGE speed difference in loading the page over my ssh tunnel — the html was displayed in 2–3 seconds, images just a few seconds behind it... |
| [19:36:49] | iamlindoro_: | No need to be a skeleton to run a marathon |
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| [19:37:02] | JEDIDIAH_: | it helps |
| [19:37:11] | iamlindoro_: | only if you hope to win, which is hardly the point |
| [19:37:29] | wagnerrp: | at that speed, you would burst the cap in short of 12 hours |
| [19:37:31] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...yeah, what was I thinking. Compete in a sporting even and try to wein. |
| [19:37:34] | laga: | says the loser.. |
| [19:37:42] | iamlindoro_: | Personally I run to raise money for cancer research, and to have an excuse to drink/eat all I want with my runner friends |
| [19:38:09] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Not coming it first != losing :) |
| [19:38:23] | laga: | iamlindoro_: that was sex |
| [19:38:24] | laga: | ;) |
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| [19:38:30] | iamlindoro_: | laga: heck, I've come in 5000th and fel tlike a pretty damn big winner :) |
| [19:38:32] | wagnerrp: | i used to be able to run, but i havent done much of that since soccer in highschool ~8 years ago |
| [19:39:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, for most people, just finishing a marathon is a victory |
| [19:39:18] | wagnerrp: | although im surprised there were 5000 people in the race |
| [19:39:24] | laga: | true. i couldn't do that |
| [19:39:47] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: in a race of 20000 |
| [19:40:21] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I'm sad to say I nearly ran one once |
| [19:40:31] | Dagmar: | I felt it might be insulting to the runners if I did |
| [19:40:48] | iamlindoro_: | plus, fit runner chicks = hot and lots of energy |
| [19:41:00] | Dagmar: | 'cuz I wasn't _trying_ to run a marathon. I was just a hardcore raver. |
| [19:41:16] | Dagmar: | ...and then I found out jogging five miles was no problem at all for me, so I tried ten, and then fifteen. |
| [19:41:25] | laga: | while on meth? |
| [19:41:27] | gbee: | anyone here work for the BBC? |
| [19:41:39] | Dagmar: | I mean, if you can dance to music that's 140–180bpm for eight hours non-stop you can PROBABLY run a marathon |
| [19:41:46] | JEDIDIAH_: | well... the first guy to ever run a marathon died. |
| [19:41:58] | Dagmar: | laga: Amusingly, the people screwed up on stuff never outlast the people who only do very mild stuff or stay sober |
| [19:42:01] | wagnerrp: | according to legend |
| [19:42:06] | gbee: | or freeview consortium etc – what have you done with our LCN? Give it back! |
| [19:42:16] | Dagmar: | It's a matter of stamina training |
| [19:42:19] | wagnerrp: | and according to legend, he ran with armor, non-stop, with no water |
| [19:42:43] | RyeBrye: | He also ran it in 2:01, and narrowly defeated the Kenyan who was behind him |
| [19:42:46] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [19:43:06] | moreati: | gbee: I take it you've seen my log |
| [19:43:10] | iamlindoro_: | technically speaking everyone who ever ran a marathon did/will die |
| [19:43:17] | laga: | we're doomed |
| [19:43:28] | ** iamlindoro_ looks at laga conspiratorially ** | |
| [19:43:30] | Dagmar: | I could just see the reactions of people spotting someone in oversized raver gear getting to the finish line ahead of guys in professional looking running shorts. |
| [19:43:33] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: well died of exhaustion at the finish line |
| [19:43:37] | iamlindoro_: | I'm beginning to think we may not make it out of this thing alive |
| [19:43:39] | Dagmar: | They'd have had me pee in a cup for sure |
| [19:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: I'm aware of marathon history ;) |
| [19:44:05] | RyeBrye: | Dagmar – I ran a marathon a while ago. I am by no means an elite runner – but I look like I'm in shape |
| [19:44:12] | RyeBrye: | At the end, a bunch of 60 year olds were passing me |
| [19:44:16] | RyeBrye: | I wasn't too offended |
| [19:44:25] | iamlindoro_: | But Pheidippides didn't run 26 miles either |
| [19:44:28] | gbee: | moreati: decided it would be a good idea to double check here, the LCN (logical channel number) is no longer being broadcast |
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| [19:44:37] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: When I say I ran fifteen miles without a problem, I really do mean without a problem. |
| [19:44:50] | RyeBrye: | Dagmar, you should do it |
| [19:44:54] | iamlindoro_: | He ran 100 miles out, one hundred miles back on the first day, then 26 on the second, THEN died |
| [19:45:02] | gbee: | I've no idea what STBs are doing, but whatever it is, it's not DVB standard |
| [19:45:04] | moreati: | gbee: so any dvb receiver would get those unfamiliar numbers |
| [19:45:16] | RyeBrye: | Although – to be fair – the difference between 15 and 26.2 is pretty big |
| [19:45:17] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt know of the other 200 miles |
| [19:45:20] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: My "typical" schedule for a rave would amount to getting there early, dancing an hour, resting 30 minutes, dancing two hours, resting 30 minutes more, and then basically dancing until the turned off the system 8–10 hours later |
| [19:45:23] | RyeBrye: | Once you get over 20 it really starts to hurt |
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| [19:45:36] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: You're telling me-- your joints are OVAR at 20 |
| [19:45:41] | gbee: | moreati: yes, but I suspect they are now broadcasting that information in some other form that the freeview STBs have been upgraded to understand |
| [19:45:46] | iamlindoro_: | I don't care *who* ya are |
| [19:46:03] | RyeBrye: | Yep. I was doped up... I popped a couple of ibuprofen before the race even started |
| [19:46:09] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Actually, I didn't start slowing down at all until I was 27 |
| [19:46:10] | RyeBrye: | and a couple more at the halfway point |
| [19:46:15] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: what about those super-marathoners, who run 100+mi at a time |
| [19:46:20] | Dibblah: | ... Myth related... How? ;) |
| [19:46:32] | RyeBrye: | We record 26.2 hours at a time |
| [19:46:33] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: ultramarathoners? They scare me :) |
| [19:46:33] | laga: | they lost their remote? |
| [19:46:48] | RyeBrye: | ... and then at the end, I was like "Shit... commflag failed" |
| [19:46:50] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [19:46:54] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: I have a few friends who do them, but after 100 they are demolished, they're in bed for a week |
| [19:47:04] | gbee: | this year I'm really feeling the cold and old injuries start to ache ... |
| [19:47:15] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: really, though, even they just tough it out, they still feel the joint pains at the same time |
| [19:47:36] | Dagmar: | Oh man you hurt SO much after that stuff |
| [19:47:40] | moreati: | gbee: may be related http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/Resolution . . . to-the-800-s |
| [19:47:54] | iamlindoro_: | Earlier this year when I ran the Edinburgh marathon I could run a half with no pain, but ugh, 20 is just always where I am like, "What is WRONG with me, anyway?" |
| [19:48:14] | JEDIDIAH_: | you were in edinburgh |
| [19:48:24] | wagnerrp: | i would ache after just a few miles of running at soccer practice |
| [19:48:36] | iamlindoro_: | JEDIDIAH_: yep, in May |
| [19:48:52] | justinh: | running is for young people & folks who don't value their knees :P |
| [19:48:59] | wagnerrp: | although that was probably because the cleats had almost no padding, and the ground on the former trash dump we called a field was equally rock hard |
| [19:49:00] | JEDIDIAH_: | I've heard that being in edinburgh is a lot like being in Cleveland. |
| [19:49:15] | ** iamlindoro_ shrugs ** | |
| [19:49:27] | iamlindoro_: | I liked it, thought people were friendly and there was some fun history |
| [19:49:47] | iamlindoro_: | but yeah, like most of the UK they're old coal burning towns so a lot of the landmarks are stained black |
| [19:49:49] | justinh: | fun history? that's an anachronism surely |
| [19:49:51] | JEDIDIAH_: | friendly people... defintely not like cleveland. |
| [19:50:15] | iamlindoro_: | I like history |
| [19:50:19] | wagnerrp: | i have a number of friends from cleveland |
| [19:50:24] | justinh: | moreati: just wait til freeview changes to 8k transmission mode. Muhahahaha |
| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | its just the browns fans who are assholes |
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| [19:50:47] | moreati: | justinh: wha? |
| [19:51:01] | justinh: | moreati: currently all freeview is 2k mode |
| [19:51:11] | gbee: | moreati: yeah, suspect that they've stopped broadcasting the LCN in favour of firmware upgrades to map the numbers instead – which is really pretty nasty and suggests they want to 'lock out' the unapproved STBs which can't receive firmware upgrades after the point of sale |
| [19:51:17] | justinh: | everything is moving to 64QAM at 8k come the switchoff |
| [19:51:40] | Dagmar: | So, yay for less piracy |
| [19:52:27] | justinh: | piracy of .. free to air tv. yeah that scans |
| [19:53:11] | moreati: | so, manual mapping with internet updates? |
| [19:53:16] | Dagmar: | Well, if they're doing it for the FTA stuff that's just shifty |
| [19:53:36] | ** iamlindoro_ smells legal battles ** | |
| [19:53:41] | Dagmar: | It speaks to that they're probably looking for send out a firmware that shows you commercials soon |
| [19:53:49] | Dagmar: | s/for/towards/; |
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| [19:54:23] | justinh: | moreati: no internet connected freeview boxes exist |
| [19:54:36] | moreati: | justinh: I meant for mythtv |
| [19:54:40] | justinh: | and fwiw, so what if myth doesn't get the right channel numbers |
| [19:54:52] | justinh: | think in terms of shows not channels :) |
| [19:55:19] | Dagmar: | Think of it in terms of revenue vehicles, not shows. |
| [19:55:27] | justinh: | half my channel numbers are prolly wrong anyway |
| [19:55:43] | justinh: | they change every 5 fskcing minutes |
| [19:56:16] | justinh: | oo new channel. oh channel went off air. ooo they swapped stuff around AGAIN. oh now they swapped it again. Yay |
| [19:56:39] | justinh: | ffs even the PIDs change on the flipping fly |
| [19:56:52] | justinh: | no apparent need for them to either – they just do |
| [19:57:29] | Sisco: | Are there any tv tuner cards that support 1080p digital cable? |
| [19:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... wonder about places where you have reliable EIT if you could get mythbackend to do a regular scan when idle and update DVB info appropriately to make sure shifting channels are automatically fixed |
| [19:57:58] | justinh: | Sisco: nothing encrypted can be used in mythtv if you're talking about US cable |
| [19:58:15] | justinh: | and fwiw there's bugger all 1080p being broadcast. maybe one or 2 channels |
| [19:58:23] | wagnerrp: | europe, on the other hand, gets those nice CI cards |
| [19:58:31] | JEDIDIAH_: | don't see why an ATSC type card couldn't dump out any arbitrary resolution a broadcaster wanted to send out. |
| [19:58:33] | Sisco: | oh really? |
| [19:58:34] | justinh: | wagnerrp: except UK |
| [19:58:41] | justinh: | Sisco: oh really |
| [19:58:45] | Sisco: | MythTV can't play encrypted? |
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| [19:58:49] | wagnerrp: | although theyre usually very restrictive on handing those out arent they? |
| [19:58:51] | Sisco: | Such as Time Warner Digital Cable? |
| [19:58:55] | justinh: | Sisco: nope |
| [19:58:57] | Dagmar: | Sisco: Yes, really. |
| [19:58:59] | wagnerrp: | sisco: thats what the hdpvr is for |
| [19:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | There is no way for it to decrypt them :) |
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| [19:59:13] | wagnerrp: | you have to pump it through an STB, and capture it over analog |
| [19:59:18] | gbee: | huh – so no CAMS for DVB-C? |
| [19:59:20] | GreyFoxx: | and the cable+sat companies in north america wont sell you cams and such to do it in hardware |
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| [19:59:22] | justinh: | if there was you couldn't talk about it here |
| [19:59:27] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: not in NA :/ |
| [19:59:29] | laga: | gbee: sure there are |
| [19:59:30] | justinh: | gbee: not for UK peeps |
| [19:59:35] | justinh: | not for USA peeps either |
| [19:59:37] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY tuner card capable of accessing encrypted digital cable is one ATI made |
| [19:59:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Sisco: Your only option would be a 'cablecard' tuner, which doesn't exist... :-( |
| [19:59:45] | wagnerrp: | it was only available to OEMs, never to consumers |
| [19:59:45] | justinh: | some parts of europe & that's it |
| [19:59:56] | wagnerrp: | it was only for windows, and only vista at that |
| [20:00:01] | justinh: | same goes for satellite CI stuff too |
| [20:00:03] | gbee: | justinh: well I know the situation in the UK, just less familiar with the state of things in NA |
| [20:00:04] | wagnerrp: | and i dont believe its still being produced |
| [20:00:14] | justinh: | none for USA, yada yada yada |
| [20:00:20] | Sisco: | So theres no way I can decrypt digital cable? |
| [20:00:21] | Sisco: | :( |
| [20:00:22] | wagnerrp: | and beyond that, it wasnt even a tuner card, it was still an external box |
| [20:00:26] | GreyFoxx: | Sisco: Nope |
| [20:00:28] | JEDIDIAH_: | cablecard is obsolete anyways... |
| [20:00:30] | Dagmar: | Sisco: None. |
| [20:00:32] | justinh: | Sisco: how many more ways can people say NO? |
| [20:00:36] | wagnerrp: | nada |
| [20:00:39] | Sisco: | lol |
| [20:00:39] | wagnerrp: | zip |
| [20:00:41] | justinh: | nuffink |
| [20:00:43] | jduggan: | newp |
| [20:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | Your best bet is either an HDPVR, or a settop box with a firewire out and receord that |
| [20:00:45] | justinh: | zilch |
| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | zero |
| [20:00:52] | GreyFoxx: | assuming the cableco doesn't disable firewire on you |
| [20:00:57] | Sisco: | Where can I get a HD PVR? |
| [20:01:02] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge |
| [20:01:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Sisco: What you can do is use a STB into a tuner in myth... SD would be S-Video, HD would be the HD-PVR |
| [20:01:23] | wagnerrp: | i think someone said amazon has then for just under $200 now |
| [20:01:25] | justinh: | and even via a set top box with firewire they have 5C which can stop the box outputting the stream so you may not even get everything you pay for over firewire. YMMV |
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| [20:01:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | or "YMWDV" (Your Mileage Will Definitely Vary) ;-) |
| [20:02:08] | justinh: | some people only get what they'd get over the air anyway, some lucky Bs get everything they pay for. Others are less lucky than even that |
| [20:02:09] | dustybin: | why does mythtv create recordings as root:root |
| [20:02:19] | justinh: | dustybin: because your backend is running as root! |
| [20:02:23] | JEDIDIAH_: | you're running as the wrong user. |
| [20:02:24] | Dagmar: | Because you're running the backend as root. |
| [20:02:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ yep |
| [20:02:25] | GreyFoxx: | dust: They are whatever user mythbackend is running as |
| [20:02:30] | wagnerrp: | i doubt you will ever get premium channels (HBO, etc...) over firewire |
| [20:02:32] | ** justinh throws a clue at dustybin ** | |
| [20:02:35] | Sisco: | http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonderdigital/index.html |
| [20:02:37] | Sisco: | Would that work? |
| [20:02:38] | GreyFoxx: | a "user" cannot create a file owned by another user :) |
| [20:02:50] | dustybin: | seems silly to have those files as root:root, they should be mythtv:mythtv |
| [20:02:55] | justinh: | Sisco: nope. not for encrippled channels |
| [20:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: Then run mythbackend as the mythtv user |
| [20:03:09] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:03:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | unless mythbackend is suid root perhaps... |
| [20:03:11] | wagnerrp: | Sisco: thats the thing i was saying was only supported by Windows Vista |
| [20:03:21] | Sisco: | Oh only supported by Vista |
| [20:03:23] | wagnerrp: | and its only provided to OEMs, not directly to the consumer |
| [20:03:23] | Sisco: | but it would work |
| [20:03:24] | dustybin: | really the backend should be run as root? |
| [20:03:28] | Sisco: | it says Digital Cable |
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| [20:03:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, it would work if youre using VMCE, and only if youre using VMCE |
| [20:03:51] | MarGarina: | Hi Guys. A quick question.. what's the best way to record something immediately? simply press 'r' while watching? It doesn't look to good |
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| [20:03:58] | MarGarina: | to=too |
| [20:04:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | dustybin: NO – the backend should be run as mythtv — or whatever user you choose to run mythtv as... |
| [20:04:05] | justinh: | Sisco: maybe not. there was a very protracted review of it where engineers from the cable co, microsoft & ATI took 2 days working on it & it still never worked right |
| [20:04:09] | kormoc: | MarGarina, it's recording already |
| [20:04:27] | MarGarina: | kormoc: Yes, but it'll expire later as well, nay? |
| [20:04:38] | MarGarina: | I'd also rather give it a name, etc etc. |
| [20:04:38] | ** justinh uses the guide to record stuff on now. there is no livetv menu option here ** | |
| [20:04:42] | justinh: | :D |
| [20:04:43] | JEDIDIAH_: | DRM just adds complexity... and doesn't really give anything in return. |
| [20:04:47] | wagnerrp: | margarina: hitting 'r' will record as far back as the start of the show, or when you first tuned to the channel, which ever is more recent |
| [20:04:51] | justinh: | MarGarina: if you have EPG data it'll have a name |
| [20:04:56] | Dagmar: | Well, perpetual lines of profit. |
| [20:04:57] | kormoc: | MarGarina, it hasa name and all that, it's in the live-tv group |
| [20:05:08] | wagnerrp: | but yes, it just moves it from live-tv to an official recording |
| [20:05:09] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A|work: shite, i didnt realise that |
| [20:05:12] | kormoc: | MarGarina, just browse to it and disable auto-expire for that recording |
| [20:05:15] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will not auto-expire so quickly |
| [20:05:21] | MarGarina: | wagnerrp: Cool. didn't know that. 10x |
| [20:05:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's always an official recording these days... |
| [20:05:29] | gbee: | kormoc: pressing r moves it to the default group etc |
| [20:05:36] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [20:05:39] | kormoc: | huh |
| [20:05:43] | MarGarina: | kormoc: Oh. I see. thanks |
| [20:05:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | dustybin: I made the same mistake with my first backend a LONG time ago... |
| [20:05:49] | Sisco: | Well what can I do then to watch Digital Cable |
| [20:05:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: well, its a livetv recording, those are usually filtered out of the recordings list |
| [20:05:50] | kormoc: | I've just done it manually |
| [20:05:51] | dustybin: | justinh: do you run the backend as mythtv user? |
| [20:05:59] | Sisco: | I must use the box provided by my cable tv provider? |
| [20:06:00] | justinh: | heh. I didn't know that either.. shows how much I use livetv |
| [20:06:03] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A|work: what happened? o_0 |
| [20:06:03] | gbee: | pressing R during livetv turns it from a livetv recording to a normal recording |
| [20:06:04] | Dagmar: | The quiet assurance that if someone wants to pull out their old audio collection and revisit the tunes of their youth, that they'll be paying the label again to do it because all the DRM will have expired and locked them out of what they bought |
| [20:06:05] | wagnerrp: | so while they exist, they dont show up unless you explicitly tell it to show them |
| [20:06:06] | justinh: | dustybin: duh |
| [20:06:14] | dustybin: | ? |
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| [20:06:50] | dustybin: | most services on my debian box are executed as root, /etc/init.d/server blahblah |
| [20:06:57] | dustybin: | so i assumed the same for the backend |
| [20:07:02] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: NOT AT ALL |
| [20:07:21] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of those services setuid to a different user immediately after run |
| [20:07:45] | wagnerrp: | or the startup script does that for them if they cannot do it themselves |
| [20:07:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | dustybin: it works, but isn't a good idea to do so... I just lived with it until I built a new backend, then did it right the 2nd time around. |
| [20:07:49] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: why doesnt the backened suid? |
| [20:08:06] | dustybin: | set |
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| [20:08:26] | wagnerrp: | the startup script should be doing that for the backend |
| [20:08:31] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [20:08:48] | dustybin: | the same as how apache uses www-data |
| [20:08:57] | dustybin: | and mythbackend could use mythtv |
| [20:09:06] | PinkFreud: | mythtv 3069 0.0 0.5 119868 8440 ? Ssl Oct17 1:49 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid |
| [20:09:10] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression that all of the distro packages su'd to user 'mythtv' by default |
| [20:09:24] | PinkFreud: | debian mythtv packages have the backend running as mythtv. |
| [20:09:36] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i compiled myself and put in a script i found on the net inside /etc/init.d |
| [20:09:49] | ** dustybin checks ** | |
| [20:10:10] | PinkFreud: | dustybin: then it's up to you to make sure your backend starts as a standard user |
| [20:10:12] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem, youre using some random script you found on the net, with no clue of what it actually does |
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| [20:10:30] | dustybin: | USER=root :-) |
| [20:10:37] | justinh: | parker1.co.uk strikes again! muhahahaha |
| [20:10:57] | dustybin: | i downloaded that script originally from a site called juski.co.uk |
| [20:11:28] | justinh: | !trout dustybin clue |
| [20:11:28] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a clue trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [20:11:40] | dustybin: | :P |
| [20:11:48] | ** PinkFreud eats it ** | |
| [20:11:49] | justinh: | no you fscking didn't you twazzock |
| [20:11:51] | PinkFreud: | mmmm, trout... |
| [20:11:53] | PinkFreud: | :P |
| [20:12:25] | ** justinh looks to see if linuxguy123.com is available ** | |
| [20:12:42] | JEDIDIAH_: | anyone have any good trout recipes? |
| [20:13:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: Sure – fry in butter... ;-) |
| [20:13:21] | JEDIDIAH_: | where's the fun in that? |
| [20:13:43] | wagnerrp: | trouts are not for eating, they are for beating |
| [20:14:01] | justinh: | best served frozen |
| [20:14:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: But ooh, it tastes good. ;-) ^ yeah, these trout anyways! |
| [20:14:15] | justinh: | with nails hammerred through them for maximum hurting |
| [20:14:20] | ** JEDIDIAH_ has some trout in his freezer ** | |
| [20:14:43] | JEDIDIAH_: | beating with trout though probably works better when the trout is still floppy |
| [20:14:46] | kormoc: | justinh, personally, if he was just banned from the mailing list... |
| [20:15:05] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH_, not really, you loose a lot of the impact power to the flop |
| [20:15:06] | justinh: | £6.08 a year. hmmm hate would have to run deep to spend that |
| [20:15:36] | JEDIDIAH_: | 6 pounds doesn't buy a lot of hate... |
| [20:15:55] | justinh: | I pity him, not hate him anyway |
| [20:16:11] | wagnerrp: | im reading through the list on the whole 10TB raid5 article |
| [20:16:19] | Dagmar: | I think you've got the cause and effect backwards. |
| [20:16:23] | Dagmar: | THe trout doees not cause hate. |
| [20:16:33] | wagnerrp: | someone claimed a 'decent hardware controller' does a rebuild on 750GB drives in ~30hrs |
| [20:16:42] | wagnerrp: | how is it that mine does it in 5hrs |
| [20:16:50] | justinh: | wagnerrp: pixies help! |
| [20:16:58] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: because your idea of "decent" doesn't involve Dell hardware |
| [20:16:58] | justinh: | you have disk pixies |
| [20:17:02] | JEDIDIAH_: | mebbe their hardware isn't as nifty as they thought. |
| [20:17:14] | wagnerrp: | is their 'decent hardware controller' a POS rocketraid or something? |
| [20:17:22] | JEDIDIAH_: | what hw controller you got wag? |
| [20:17:23] | justinh: | maybe they're using sata-ata converters inside |
| [20:17:23] | Dibblah: | Or it has no battery. |
| [20:17:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: ^^ you beat me to it... |
| [20:17:31] | wagnerrp: | areca 12-port |
| [20:17:32] | Dibblah: | So it has to transaction _everything_. |
| [20:17:48] | JEDIDIAH_: | what if you just use onboard sata? |
| [20:17:51] | wagnerrp: | my areca has a battery option, but its not installed |
| [20:17:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... or port multipliers |
| [20:17:56] | Dibblah: | Where the cheaper ones just assume that the power won't fail. |
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| [20:18:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: I ran a software raid5 on 6x500GB drives with onboard sata — took about 40hrs to rebuild the array... |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, someone replied that their software raid rebuilding to 4TB only took 18hrs |
| [20:20:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: eh? What the heck is their processor than? Mine's an Athlon 4800+ x2.... jeeze... |
| [20:20:17] | wagnerrp: | didnt say |
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| [20:21:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, my raid 5 (3x 500 gbs) rebuild at around 60 megs per second software, it's fairly light |
| [20:21:13] | moreati: | anybody know if the ps3 hdmi port carries audio? |
| [20:21:21] | wagnerrp: | moreati: yes |
| [20:21:33] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...it sounds like you really need to splurge on the raid card or not even bother. |
| [20:21:39] | moreati: | wagnerrp: cheers |
| [20:21:57] | wagnerrp: | moreati: but on linux? maybe not |
| [20:22:08] | Dibblah: | moreati: Depends if you ask it to or not. |
| [20:23:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: Yeah, pretty much.... Cards with hardware xor processors cost lots of $$$... but you get a HUGE performance benefit by the cpu not having to do the computations... |
| [20:24:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: I've personally found that I like multiple disks (aka JBOD) and Myth's Storage Groups more — much faster, and if I lose a drive, or even more than one drive (like I recently did in my software raid5), I'd only lose a portion of my recordings, not the whole shebang... |
| [20:25:02] | justinh: | all tv is disposable |
| [20:25:20] | justinh: | if I deleted all my wife's 'bad girls' archive I could just claim it was an accident :P |
| [20:25:32] | justinh: | a few waf- points but hey I get 200GB back |
| [20:25:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: yeah, pretty much... It was still a pain to see 2.4TB go bye-bye... |
| [20:25:49] | justinh: | damn file squirrels |
| [20:26:07] | justinh: | reminds me I still need to make a decision about spooks |
| [20:26:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, all my recordings are stored in single drives. but transcodes are kept on a raid array |
| [20:26:30] | justinh: | maybe just copy them to the lappy & watch them while I'm er.. not at home |
| [20:27:25] | justinh: | I should have some peace & quiet to do some xml edit-ifying this sunday |
| [20:27:28] | justinh: | hopefully |
| [20:29:04] | Dibblah: | Eh? The benefit of the XOR offload is not that the CPU does less work directly... |
| [20:29:09] | justinh: | then there's code I want to look at.. then start on my whole house audio... |
| [20:29:26] | justinh: | and mrs wife is still mithering me about looking into a tv for the bathroom |
| [20:29:28] | wagnerrp: | someone made a comment about mythtv automatically recordings shows that involve political campaigns |
| [20:29:32] | Dibblah: | It's that the XOR doesn't have to go through the (very narrow, comparatively) bus to the card. |
| [20:29:37] | wagnerrp: | they should just be kicked off -users |
| [20:29:47] | justinh: | oh man it's not even 12 months since we re-tiled the bathroom |
| [20:29:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dibblah: Right... forgot about that ... |
| [20:30:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: they just can't get enough moose hunter eh |
| [20:30:45] | justinh: | hey yeah foreign policy.. I can see russia from my back yard. get me to the book depository |
| [20:30:46] | wagnerrp: | someone's backend automatically recorded 'Whacked out Sports' |
| [20:31:04] | wagnerrp: | apparently the backend's actions were politically motivated |
| [20:31:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp: damn. the mythtaste has finally revealed itself |
| [20:31:24] | justinh: | mythtaste worm |
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| [20:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Is that the recipe plugin thing? |
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| [20:32:35] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: will it work in the Myth fork? |
| [20:33:06] | ** JEDIDIAH_ doesn't want raid for recordings... for other non-transient media. ** | |
| [20:33:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: only if MythBlender is used |
| [20:33:45] | JEDIDIAH_: | regular lvm is fine for "mere" recordings |
| [20:34:10] | justinh: | MythBlender is the brainchild of a genius called linuxguy123. he wrote his own fork of KDE4.1 cos he got bored waiting for it to be released when it was a huge 2 weeks late too. |
| [20:35:39] | iamlindoro_: | The amazing part is he was able to do it without ever downloading any source |
| [20:35:48] | iamlindoro_: | or installing a compiler |
| [20:36:06] | wagnerrp: | real men hexcode assembler |
| [20:36:38] | clev: | wagnerrp: ive done assembler in decimal before :P |
| [20:36:53] | clev: | pokeing raw bytes into memory |
| [20:37:18] | laga: | how do you manage to stay unemployed when you're so skillful? |
| [20:37:33] | justinh: | only thing you've ever poked eh clever, except for that mongoose a while back |
| [20:37:33] | clev: | i dont have a grade 11 :P |
| [20:38:05] | iamlindoro_: | ah facetiousness, lost on the clueless |
| [20:38:07] | iamlindoro_: | er lost |
| [20:38:16] | laga: | clev: then get one ;) |
| [20:38:41] | iamlindoro_: | laga: They only give them to people who leave the house |
| [20:38:45] | clev: | laga: ive learned far more in computers then the school could ever show me:P |
| [20:38:59] | clev: | laga: even when i was in school, i wound up helping the teacher with his comp half the time |
| [20:39:05] | iamlindoro_: | That's the kind of attitude that makes anyone under 25 an idiot |
| [20:39:17] | iamlindoro_: | (exceptions exist) |
| [20:39:30] | Dagmar: | Makes? No... Thats just a visible symptom. |
| [20:39:39] | clev: | the teacher was teaching the students how to use power point |
| [20:39:52] | clev: | one student made a seperate project for every 'page' |
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| [20:40:01] | justinh: | clev: so? |
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| [20:40:07] | clev: | the teacher couldnt fix it:P |
| [20:40:10] | clev: | i had to fix it for him |
| [20:40:28] | wagnerrp: | teacher didnt know how to copy and paste? |
| [20:40:33] | justinh: | it's ok. in the UK they're teaching kids of age 7 how to use powerpoint |
| [20:41:18] | clev: | justinh: they waited until highschool here :P |
| [20:41:20] | iamlindoro_: | clev: There is plenty to learn in a school that doesn't go on in 0s and 1s.. namely how to be a human being |
| [20:41:51] | iamlindoro_: | They teach history, civics, language, athletics because well rounded people NEED these things |
| [20:41:57] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: there you go making the assumption the schools should teach kids how to behave. jees |
| [20:42:02] | clev: | i fell asleep in history class :P |
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| [20:43:11] | iamlindoro_: | That makes you a dummy, doesn't make history irrelevant |
| [20:43:22] | laga: | there's also lots of boring stuff. :) |
| [20:43:32] | clev: | if i need to know history i can just google it up :P |
| [20:43:41] | Dagmar: | Umm... no. |
| [20:43:49] | clev: | i practicaly have a laptop glued to my hands at all times |
| [20:44:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: that depends on the history class |
| [20:44:03] | Dagmar: | That'll let you know facts and figures about history, but those are mainly useless. |
| [20:44:14] | wagnerrp: | most history classes these days just push dates and names |
| [20:44:15] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: no, it doesn't. |
| [20:44:29] | wagnerrp: | with no discussion as to the reason of actions |
| [20:44:31] | iamlindoro_: | education is wasted on those in school, sigh |
| [20:44:36] | clev: | wagnerrp: and movies with nudity ! |
| [20:44:38] | Dagmar: | ...and that's useless. The *why* of those events is what matters |
| [20:44:49] | clev: | wagnerrp: schindlers list |
| [20:45:00] | laga: | Dagmar: because those indians were dirty heretics. |
| [20:45:06] | Dagmar: | Crap like that is why people get all freaky when you say "The War Of Northern Aggression" |
| [20:46:20] | clev: | bbl |
| [20:51:10] | fryfrog: | THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!! |
| [20:51:22] | JEDIDIAH_: | "The Moon Will Rise Again" |
| [20:51:33] | iamlindoro_: | So will my pants |
| [20:52:27] | JEDIDIAH_: | just don't let it happen in dueling country... |
| [20:52:40] | JEDIDIAH_: | or hill country... |
| [20:52:54] | dustybin: | now this is what i call a good idea |
| [20:52:55] | dustybin: | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2005070300463515 |
| [20:53:17] | dustybin: | death to ._ |
| [20:54:18] | JEDIDIAH_: | O |
| [20:54:37] | JEDIDIAH_: | I'm amused by the fact that they think this still a good idea for local filesystems. |
| [20:55:01] | wagnerrp: | thats like how windows leaves thumbs.db files everywhere |
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| [20:56:18] | iamlindoro_: | There's nothing wrong with a little hidden file that serves some purpose (in this case the folder defaults/icon arrangement/etc) |
| [20:56:22] | wagnerrp: | of course the bigger question is... why are people leaving their network filesystems open with write permissions |
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| [20:57:04] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...nevermind that whole 'multi-user' idea. |
| [20:57:21] | wagnerrp: | if theyre only open to themselves, then they themselves are to blame |
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| [20:57:33] | wagnerrp: | either way, its the user's fault |
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| [21:03:20] | ** justinh hasn't been pwn3d since he got pwn3d ** | |
| [21:03:27] | justinh: | wnich is good news :) |
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| [21:03:51] | Dagmar: | Just look up the details on that new Microsoft vulnerability |
| [21:04:06] | wagnerrp: | well if you had been, you would somehow be simultaneously pwn3d, and yet not pwn3d |
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| [21:06:36] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: You've got about as much chance of hacking anyone's box as you have of winning the nobel prize for physics |
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| [21:07:52] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt say that, hacking a windows box with physical access is extremely simple |
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| [21:08:15] | wagnerrp: | hacking a linux/bsd box is similarly simple if you reboot it |
| [21:08:25] | Dagmar: | Not if it's my box. |
| [21:08:28] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: physical access == leaving the house |
| [21:08:39] | iamlindoro_: | therefore != dustybin |
| [21:08:50] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: your root file system is encrypted? |
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| [21:09:59] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could set a boot password, but then all you have to do is open up the case and jump the cmos |
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| [21:12:20] | tank-man: | physical acces means gameover |
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| [21:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | So does losing all your mans and continues |
| [21:17:05] | justinh: | apparently all you need to hack somebody's computer is a good nose. keyboard sniffers are in |
| [21:17:15] | justinh: | mmmmmm slightly musky |
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| [21:19:45] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: On one of the machines it is actually. |
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| [21:20:01] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Either way, the user data on my main dev box is definitely encrypted |
| [21:20:16] | Dagmar: | ...and you don't get console access by passing anything to lilo. It doesn't allow that. |
| [21:20:26] | Dagmar: | I've had passwords on lilo options just about since they added that feature |
| [21:20:41] | wagnerrp: | in lilo, you cant just do 'init=/bin/bb'? |
| [21:20:51] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | i suppose with that passworded, you cant use a boot floppy? |
| [21:21:05] | Dagmar: | You can set a password so that either you pick an option from the menu, or you have to give it a password |
| [21:21:08] | wagnerrp: | of course not if the disk is encrypted, but otherwise? |
| [21:21:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean you can still get into the bios and mess with the boot sequence |
| [21:21:56] | Dagmar: | Unless a password is set there. |
| [21:22:08] | wagnerrp: | which can be reset by pulling the battery |
| [21:22:17] | Dagmar: | WHen you go to hacker cons, you tend to actually *use* those half-measures the hardware has to protect your stuff. |
| [21:22:17] | wagnerrp: | unless that gets flashed to the firmware |
| [21:22:25] | wagnerrp: | i really dont know, never used one |
| [21:22:34] | Dagmar: | They can be reset out. |
| [21:22:43] | Dagmar: | It just takes longer to open the case |
| [21:22:49] | Dagmar: | Every little thing you do adds up |
| [21:23:02] | wagnerrp: | the longer it takes, the more likely you will come back in time and find them dicking with stuff |
| [21:23:06] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [21:23:20] | Dagmar: | The last time I caught them trying to find a way around the lilo password |
| [21:24:23] | Dagmar: | I'm *tempted* to be a bastard and connect the USB ports on the box I'm thinking about taking down this weekend straight to the 120VAC |
| [21:24:31] | Dagmar: | Let 'em try to boot a thumbdrive |
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| [21:27:08] | justinh: | Dagmar sounds like the original BOFH |
| [21:27:45] | Dagmar: | Nah. |
| [21:27:53] | Dagmar: | A real BOFH would run the 120VAC to the chair and mouse |
| [21:28:12] | directhex: | 415V? |
| [21:28:50] | JEDIDIAH_: | don't need it that high. |
| [21:29:06] | JEDIDIAH_: | you can melt pliers with a lot less... |
| [21:29:12] | JEDIDIAH_: | probably would melt the PC though. |
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| [21:30:07] | Dagmar: | Wall outlets home PCs plug into typically don't carry 480 |
| [21:30:43] | gbee: | I was pretty disturbed by the gaping hole that is firewire – plug in a firewire device even to a locked machine and you can dump the entire memory including encryption keys etc to extend your access |
| [21:30:43] | JEDIDIAH_: | rent an office |
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| [21:31:22] | gbee: | because some muppet thought that requiring full and direct access to the memory was a good thing for the firewire spec |
| [21:31:32] | Dagmar: | gbee: I'm just astonished it took people two years to really notice |
| [21:32:08] | Dagmar: | It had been mentioned to the press years before, but everyone kind of ignored it because it was only Mac people using firewire for much |
| [21:32:25] | justinh: | is that how firewire is so much faster than usb? |
| [21:32:27] | Dagmar: | That's the charitable way of interpreting the cause |
| [21:32:34] | justinh: | DMA, bypass everything. muhahahaha |
| [21:32:48] | justinh: | still, I much prefer firewire over USB |
| [21:32:57] | Dagmar: | Nah, it's somewhat faster becasue firewire has it's own controller |
| [21:33:00] | justinh: | regardless of any security issues |
| [21:33:14] | Dagmar: | If you load up your CPU, USB transfers will suffer |
| [21:33:40] | Dagmar: | In practice tho, the difference really doesn't matter that damn much |
| [21:33:45] | justinh: | I still haven't found out exactly who broke the USB socket on that expensive bus analyser. a head will roll |
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| [21:34:50] | Dagmar: | Just set up the guillotine and start the polygraphs |
| [21:35:19] | Dagmar: | ...or institute a policy of "peer review" by picking someone at random and beheading them. |
| [21:35:31] | gbee: | I still haven't got around to disabling the firewire on my laptop, but since I've never used it I might as well do so |
| [21:35:55] | Dagmar: | Make sure everyone knows that if there's another incident, someone else will be beheaded, at random, so they all have lots of incentive to keep an eye on the coworker who might be about to get them "shortened" |
| [21:36:05] | iamlindoro_: | You've got trouble if the guy you pick was actually the culprit |
| [21:36:15] | Dagmar: | Nah, not really |
| [21:36:27] | iamlindoro_: | at least, if you expect an admission |
| [21:36:41] | Dagmar: | That's the point of the random beheading. |
| [21:36:45] | Dagmar: | You don't need an admission. |
| [21:36:50] | Dagmar: | Everyone's working as a team, right? |
| [21:37:01] | ** iamlindoro_ is in this for himself ** | |
| [21:37:11] | Dagmar: | If someone screws up, they're still a team. |
| [21:37:29] | Dagmar: | Yes, I was an absolute JOY to the "team building" people that came to DT&T when I worked there. |
| [21:37:35] | kormoc: | so behead the entire team! |
| [21:37:52] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Too much of a productivity loss. |
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| [21:38:24] | Dagmar: | Can you believe those people actually acted shocked when they told us, the internal IT security people, to stand with our backs to the group and fall into their co-workers arms. |
| [21:38:42] | Dagmar: | "What part of our job do you not understand?" |
| [21:39:10] | Dagmar: | When you have proper information security, you don't need trust. |
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| [21:44:51] | MarGarina: | I wonder: when I watch live TV, the MythTV splits the recording into SEVERAL .nuv files. Is there a way to make it use a single one |
| [21:44:54] | MarGarina: | ? |
| [21:45:21] | Dagmar: | Tell it up front you want to keep that whole show |
| [21:46:57] | Dagmar: | Understand that if you wanted it to record liveTV as one file all the time, it would result in VERY BAD THINGS happening if you left the thing on LiveTV and then say, went on vacation for a day or two (or just didn't look at the TV again) |
| [21:47:07] | kormoc: | MarGarina, it splits it up in 30 minute chunks? |
| [21:47:19] | iamlindoro_: | If you have listings data, each show will be one file |
| [21:47:39] | MarGarina: | I'm recording from VOD, no EPG or so |
| [21:47:47] | kormoc: | that's the problem |
| [21:47:50] | MarGarina: | kormoc: Not 30mins, something that looks random... |
| [21:47:52] | Dagmar: | That's what I figured |
| [21:47:55] | kormoc: | myth needs guide data |
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| [21:48:06] | MarGarina: | Yeah.. I know.. well. |
| [21:48:11] | kormoc: | if you're not going to use guide data to record, why use myth? |
| [21:48:14] | Dagmar: | MarGarina: Each viewing session starts a new file |
| [21:48:53] | MarGarina: | Yeah, I see. I'm new to this thing, learning what it's good for and what it's less good for. |
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| [21:49:00] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Are these back to back wootoffs? |
| [21:49:11] | MarGarina: | So thanks again guys. |
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| [21:50:06] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Looks it |
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| [21:50:46] | iamlindoro_: | two in two days, will wonders never cease |
| [21:51:02] | Wicked: | hmm hello all. i complained to comcast about firewire and just today they called me and are asking what i have it plugged into and the model of what its plugged into |
| [21:51:31] | jduggan: | for bits, there's dvb-s (nova-s) cards for 15quid on ebay |
| [21:51:33] | jduggan: | brits* |
| [21:51:41] | Wicked: | i told them i have to check and id contact them back. |
| [21:51:46] | Dagmar: | Wicked: So your problem is? |
| [21:51:55] | Wicked: | they want to make sure its a copyright protected device |
| [21:52:00] | Dagmar: | It's not. |
| [21:52:01] | Wicked: | what should i tell them? |
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| [21:53:09] | iamlindoro_: | Wicked: http://www.1394ta.org/products/HomeEntertainm . . . #Televisions |
| [21:53:41] | Wicked: | so those tv's have firewire support? |
| [21:54:00] | iamlindoro_: | Wicked: what's the *name* of that page? |
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| [21:54:39] | Wicked: | lol |
| [21:54:44] | iamlindoro_: | just make sure you google them to find one without HDMI in so they can't cop out and say to use that |
| [21:55:11] | Wicked: | ok. i just didnt want to say something and have them be like "WELL THATS ILLEGAL YOU OWE USE MONEY" |
| [21:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | It's NOT illegal to record with myth, they couldn't say any such thing |
| [21:56:23] | Wicked: | oh ok |
| [21:56:46] | gbee: | jduggan: again? I bought two for £30 inc postage about four months ago |
| [21:56:57] | jduggan: | gbee: niec |
| [21:56:59] | Wicked: | thanks for the info iamlindoro_ =) |
| [21:57:00] | jduggan: | nice* |
| [21:57:06] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
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| [21:59:10] | JEDIDIAH_: | companies pull all sorts of BS. |
| [21:59:41] | JEDIDIAH_: | or you could just have a clueless phone drone. |
| [22:00:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: nothing says a wootoff cant run for more than 24 hours |
| [22:00:11] | wagnerrp: | i remember one ran for over 3 days |
| [22:00:22] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: today's stuff seems largely crap |
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| [22:00:34] | wagnerrp: | when is the stuff on woot not crap? |
| [22:01:01] | wagnerrp: | seems he went home... |
| [22:01:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: when is the stuff on woot not crap? |
| [22:01:32] | Dagmar: | Very occasionally. |
| [22:03:13] | Wicked: | damn..everyone one ive tried so far has hdmi :-o |
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| [22:06:37] | gbee: | tell them that you've already got an HDMI blueray player or something using the hdmi input |
| [22:07:12] | Wicked: | i was thinking about that...is there any kinda spliters or way to get multi hdmi in's? |
| [22:07:45] | JEDIDIAH_: | from what I've seen, hdmi switchboxes are expensive. |
| [22:08:56] | Wicked: | i was thinking about saying something like i had a blu ray hook up but it somehow fell and the cord snapped out and broke the hdmi in |
| [22:09:30] | Wicked: | i just dont want them to be like we will send out a tech or something...get caught in lie and look like a jackass lol |
| [22:11:03] | gbee: | if the tv only has a single HDMI then you don't want the hassle of continually unplugging devices depending on what you watch |
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| [22:11:22] | gbee: | simple argument, either they buy it or they don't, but it's hard to argue with really |
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| [22:18:42] | Wicked: | true |
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| [22:20:38] | Wicked: | i think i found 1! |
| [22:20:55] | Wicked: | but it does have component ins...wont they just tell me to use them? |
| [22:21:27] | Dagmar: | If they're component and not composite, what's the problem with using them? |
| [22:21:35] | Wicked: | this one doesnt list it as having hdmi under connectors http://www.ciao.com/RCA_HD44LPW165_Rear_proje . . . on__10034063 |
| [22:21:44] | Wicked: | well thats the thing. |
| [22:21:58] | Dagmar: | HDMI includes HDCP. |
| [22:22:26] | Dagmar: | There's a good chance that if you have an HDMI output, anything that would have been flagged 5C for firewire will also block you from using the HDMI output with HDCP. |
| [22:22:40] | Dagmar: | Component output, on the other hand, has no such restriction by FCC decree |
| [22:22:58] | Dagmar: | ...and thers's no way for them to bullshit their way around that one. |
| [22:23:15] | Wicked: | hmm |
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| [22:25:54] | Wicked: | i think im just gonna tell them i have it hooked into a home theatre system i built myself and this is has no hdmi and the only way to get hd is through firewire |
| [22:26:09] | Dagmar: | You can get HD through component just fine. |
| [22:26:36] | Dagmar: | They won't be able to do anything about disabling 5C protection for you if they've enabled it. |
| [22:26:40] | Wicked: | it has no hdmi or component hook ups |
| [22:27:36] | Wicked: | well since i got this cable box there has been a few firmware updates on it...some of them have changed the firewire settings in there diagnostics menu |
| [22:27:49] | Dagmar: | ...which means nothing to them. |
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| [22:37:14] | iamlindoro: | Cool, AnyDVD HD updated for Die Another Day bluray... two day turn around on a new disk for a patch, not too bad |
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| [22:37:53] | Dagmar: | Shh... Don't look now but I think the protection mechanism might be compromised |
| [22:38:50] | dustybin: | Dagmar: not if they are using this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7661311.stm |
| [22:39:22] | Wicked: | i currently have my mythv hooked upto my monitor and im just wondering whats the best way to watch the hd stuff on a tv? |
| [22:39:30] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, considering that has absolutely nothing to do with Bluray, existing media, or anything else remotely related to reality (as usual), I'm not too worried |
| [22:39:37] | Wicked: | i know svideo is the recomended way for sd..but what about hd? |
| [22:39:51] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: yet.. |
| [22:40:23] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, if they used anything like that, it wouldn't be Blu ray any more... that's why we have these shiny things called "standards." |
| [22:40:43] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, HDMI or DVI from the computer to the TV |
| [22:41:33] | Wicked: | ah. ok. i didnt know if hdmi ports on a video card would do output?..or do i you need a special card? |
| [22:42:01] | Dagmar: | If you have DVI output, an HDMI adapter for it is relatively cheap |
| [22:42:06] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, HDMI ports on your video card are *only* for output |
| [22:42:12] | iamlindoro: | what else would you do with them? |
| [22:42:26] | iamlindoro: | besides look at them and remark what a fancy lad you are for owning HDMI stuff |
| [22:42:30] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I think he's been expecting to use them as capture ports |
| [22:42:35] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, yea wow. i totally didnt think about that one |
| [22:42:42] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:42:57] | Wicked: | no. it was a very dumb question i shouldt have asked lol |
| [22:43:17] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, you earn innumerable points for a) realizing that and b) saying so. So you're ok in my book. |
| [22:43:32] | Wicked: | =) |
| [22:43:59] | AndyCap_: | dustybin: not to mention that drm is doomed from the start. the recipient and the attacker is the same person. No crypto can save you from that. only slow you down. |
| [22:44:29] | Wicked: | would be cool though to be able to hook the stb up via dvi/hdmi ;-) |
| [22:44:35] | dustybin: | AndyCap_: what about cable TV? |
| [22:44:51] | AndyCap_: | dustybin: what about it? |
| [22:45:03] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you should learn something about this technology instead of being dazzled beyond thought by acronyms. |
| [22:45:03] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, point being if you can SEE it, you can steal it |
| [22:45:14] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [22:45:23] | Dagmar: | The cool kids use _component_ output. |
| [22:45:43] | Wicked: | i want a hd pvr |
| [22:45:51] | dustybin: | Dagmar: have you bought any bits of computer hardware lately? |
| [22:45:51] | Wicked: | anyone wanna buy me one? |
| [22:45:55] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, on sale for $190 with the right coupon right now |
| [22:46:00] | Wicked: | oh damn |
| [22:46:02] | iamlindoro: | that's $60 off retail |
| [22:46:04] | Wicked: | yea |
| [22:46:08] | Dagmar: | dustybin: YEah, I bought an MP3 player, some bluetooth headphones... |
| [22:46:09] | Wicked: | thats not to shaby |
| [22:46:13] | dustybin: | heh |
| [22:46:40] | dustybin: | Dagmar: mp3 + vorbis ogg ? |
| [22:46:57] | Dagmar: | I'm still trying to figure out why the fuck the PS3 can tell it's a media player, but refuses to actually admit there's anything on it |
| [22:46:59] | iamlindoro: | versa vice |
| [22:47:08] | Dagmar: | dustybin: It's one of the Insignia models, so yes. |
| [22:47:13] | dustybin: | nice |
| [22:47:17] | Wicked: | i was reading some comments about the pvr on newegg and some of them where saying its kinda made crappy...like flimsy inputs and stuff |
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| [22:48:14] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, It's fairly sturdy. They might be talking about the component ports which flex inward slightly when you connect something-- oh well, don't be rough with your expensive shit |
| [22:48:25] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [22:48:31] | Dagmar: | It ain't a kids toy |
| [22:48:36] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, that is exactly what they mentioned |
| [22:48:49] | Dagmar: | These same people would probably complain that the DVD tray on their new blueray player is "easily breakable" |
| [22:49:05] | Wicked: | and someone else complained he ordered 3 and either 1 or 2 was doa |
| [22:49:19] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, people are idiots. Newegg people doubly so |
| [22:49:22] | Wicked: | lol thats a good analogy Dagmar |
| [22:49:30] | Wicked: | IM A NEWEGG PEOPLE! |
| [22:49:43] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, buying is okay. Railing about products in half-literate fashion is not |
| [22:49:43] | wagnerrp: | on newegg, everyone thinks theyre an expert, and almost no one actually is |
| [22:49:47] | Dagmar: | At the risk of sounding crass you can probably get a grown-up to hold your hand while you order one if it makes you feel better. |
| [22:49:58] | jduggan: | lol |
| [22:50:01] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:50:10] | Dagmar: | ...or take the approach that I do. |
| [22:50:19] | iamlindoro: | ie if you go to plug something in, gently, and the backplane snaps, that's shoddy. If it make's you nervous, you're shoddy. |
| [22:50:22] | wagnerrp: | everyone has 6–12 months experience with a product, having just bought it |
| [22:50:26] | Dagmar: | If you get the product, and it sucks, you can always send it back. |
| [22:50:29] | iamlindoro: | er makes |
| [22:50:35] | Dagmar: | ...or knock 10% off the price and sell it to someone on Craigslist. |
| [22:50:54] | iamlindoro: | or add 10% and sell it to someone abroad |
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| [22:52:48] | iamlindoro: | blizzow, PCI cable card tuners exist, but are useless because a) they can only come as part of a whole PC purchase and not seperately and b) no cable card in linux (and likely never will be) |
| [22:52:52] | ** iamlindoro reads minds ** | |
| [22:55:08] | Dagmar: | ...and mailing lists |
| [22:55:10] | blizzow: | iamlindoro: I was thinking of dual booting a machine with myth and mce. So it looks like I have to buy a dell and rip it apart just to put it in some case that doesn't look like garbage. |
| [22:55:40] | iamlindoro: | cable card *really* stinks |
| [22:55:54] | iamlindoro: | ie every time you want to watch a recording you better hope you still have that cable card |
| [22:56:05] | iamlindoro: | as it will need to re-auth with the card and cable company before playing |
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| [22:56:35] | Dagmar: | At least until you break the DRM |
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| [22:56:57] | iamlindoro: | card go bad and have to replace with another? Whoops, recordings gone |
| [22:57:17] | Dagmar: | http://www.xkcd.org/488/ |
| [22:58:32] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVRs + HDFury2s for everyone |
| [22:59:28] | Wicked: | lol |
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| [23:00:24] | blizzow: | I'm assuming HDFury2s are compatible with Myth? |
| [23:00:38] | iamlindoro: | HDFury has nothing to do with myth, it's not a PC device |
| [23:01:09] | iamlindoro: | it's as compatible with myth as a component cable or a lightswitch or a power strip |
| [23:01:47] | iamlindoro: | The HdFury2 takes HDMI+HDCP, strips HDCP, and outputs component for the HD-PVR |
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| [23:02:44] | blizzow: | I see that now. Awesome. |
| [23:04:39] | blizzow: | I'm going to ask another dumb question...What cards are recommended for getting good HD, and SD signal? My pchdtv 5500 gets decent HD signal, but SD channels look like I'm watching through twelve screen doors. I want one card that can get a decent picture on both SD and HD. |
| [23:05:36] | iamlindoro: | That's because the analog side of the 5500 is a lame framegrabber-- if you want one card for both, a Hauppauge HD-PVR will work... has a digital tuner and a hardware encoder analog tuner |
| [23:05:39] | iamlindoro: | er HVR-1600 |
| [23:05:41] | iamlindoro: | sorry |
| [23:05:45] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR on the brain |
| [23:05:55] | iamlindoro: | Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
| [23:06:03] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR if you want to capture HD from your STB |
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| [23:07:02] | blizzow: | stb? |
| [23:07:14] | iamlindoro: | Set Top Box |
| [23:07:27] | iamlindoro: | ie all those encrypted channels you can't get with your 5500 |
| [23:07:38] | iamlindoro: | HBO, Discovery HD, et cetera |
| [23:08:17] | blizzow: | So I have to manually tune my Set Top Box and hit record with and HD-PVR? |
| [23:08:30] | iamlindoro: | There's no "hit record" and no manual tuning |
| [23:08:36] | iamlindoro: | the HD-PVR is just a USB capture device |
| [23:08:50] | iamlindoro: | it's run by myth like any other capture device |
| [23:09:04] | iamlindoro: | and the STB is tuned by IR blaster, firewire, or (where applicable) USB |
| [23:09:10] | iamlindoro: | by myth, not by you |
| [23:10:51] | blizzow: | ooof, what a cluster. Seems like the cable companies should be nailed for racketeering. |
| [23:11:42] | iamlindoro: | blizzow, the HD-PVR is in *no way* different than capturing set-top-box output with a PVR-150, except a) it's external instead of internal and b) it captures HD. Not exactly a cluster. |
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| [23:12:39] | dustybin: | my friend wants me to build him a MythTV backend/frontend box capable of playing back broadcast HD (BBC), and a bit more maybe, would this CPU be ok: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . 20-%20Retail |
| [23:13:06] | iamlindoro: | God help anyone who lets you build them a mythbox |
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| [23:13:20] | dustybin: | mine are running ok |
| [23:13:22] | Dagmar: | 2.4 Ghz or greater core |
| [23:13:38] | dustybin: | AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5400+ 2.70GHz |
| [23:13:41] | dustybin: | that should be ok then! |
| [23:13:44] | iamlindoro: | That CPU will be fine |
| [23:13:49] | dustybin: | ace :) |
| [23:13:51] | iamlindoro: | just so long as he knows he'll need to put up a dish |
| [23:13:59] | iamlindoro: | and buy a DVB-S card |
| [23:14:24] | iamlindoro: | who knows, maybe when you see what a real myth box looks like you'll dump the lump of slag you have |
| [23:14:36] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: your so rude! |
| [23:14:42] | iamlindoro: | s/your/you're/ |
| [23:14:54] | iamlindoro: | i guess poor english skills are transatlantic |
| [23:15:57] | iamlindoro: | That or, like clever, you felt school was a waste of time |
| [23:16:15] | clev: | i didnt leave, i was kicked out |
| [23:16:26] | ** Dagmar is shocked. ** | |
| [23:16:28] | iamlindoro: | even better |
| [23:17:07] | iamlindoro: | considering the criminals they let into schools, this is quite the feat |
| [23:17:17] | jduggan: | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1005 . . . cid=25485507 |
| [23:17:18] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:17:43] | Dagmar: | jduggan: You should read the advisory itself. |
| [23:17:46] | Dagmar: | It's fun. |
| [23:17:49] | jduggan: | Dagmar: i'm well aware |
| [23:17:51] | jduggan: | ;] |
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| [23:18:44] | Dagmar: | "It is possible that this vulnerability could be used in the crafting of a wormable exploit" |
| [23:18:51] | jduggan: | haha |
| [23:18:57] | jduggan: | whats so funny |
| [23:19:00] | Dagmar: | Translation: The people who told us about this demonstrated that they already have a working worm. |
| [23:19:07] | jduggan: | is their lowering of vista/2008 |
| [23:19:09] | jduggan: | to important |
| [23:19:11] | jduggan: | from critical |
| [23:19:18] | jduggan: | due to the requirement of `authentication` |
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| [23:19:26] | Dagmar: | THey're as full of shit as ever. |
| [23:19:27] | dustybin: | i cannot seem to find a motherboard what has a AM2 socket and onboard intel graphics |
| [23:19:43] | Dagmar: | Microsoft never admits to anything unless they're being threatened someone will go public. |
| [23:19:44] | dustybin: | maybe that just doesnt happen... |
| [23:20:04] | Dagmar: | Remember the vulnerability that allowed BLaster to happen? |
| [23:20:12] | fryfrog: | why would you want onboard *intel* graphics? |
| [23:20:14] | jduggan: | Dagmar: yea, it was found in the wild.. if its found in the wild it must have been around a fucking lot to get found out about |
| [23:20:16] | Dagmar: | They spent three full months downplaying the severity of the problem. |
| [23:20:17] | jduggan: | its scary shit |
| [23:20:33] | Dagmar: | MONTHS. |
| [23:20:34] | dustybin: | fryfrog: it will save my friend buying a gfx card? |
| [23:20:46] | jduggan: | tbh, i'm surprised i didnt hear rumours beforehand |
| [23:20:57] | fryfrog: | why not am2 with nvidia? |
| [23:20:58] | jduggan: | was kept closeknit whoever wrote it |
| [23:21:04] | jduggan: | wrote/found |
| [23:21:11] | Dagmar: | ...and there's two months prior to that that they were aware of it and were refusing to admit the people reporting it were correct. |
| [23:21:26] | Dagmar: | I heard more than just rumors. |
| [23:21:35] | dustybin: | fryfrog: yep i think that will have to be the case |
| [23:21:51] | fryfrog: | i think one would be happier with nvidia anyway |
| [23:22:53] | jduggan: | im involved with a big wargaming network and have quite a few friends still in the industry, i jumped ship and dont get so much inside goss these days, i do know that a metasploit exploit can be easily modified to exploit this bug though |
| [23:23:21] | jduggan: | so a security researcher at verizon business told me ;o |
| [23:23:28] | Dagmar: | If I'm lucky, someone will bring something that can sploit it to PhreakNIC |
| [23:23:49] | jduggan: | i already know people that claim to have a working PoC |
| [23:23:55] | jduggan: | though im skeptical till i see it |
| [23:24:23] | Dagmar: | There's a reason sane Unix admins don't allow unauthenticated RPC. |
| [23:24:31] | Dagmar: | Microsoft simply refuses to learn from the past. |
| [23:24:44] | jduggan: | their advisory is just complete lolz |
| [23:25:00] | jduggan: | read some shit about how their security engineering has helped protect 2008 |
| [23:25:05] | jduggan: | the protection is weak at best |
| [23:25:37] | jduggan: | send a virus to joe six pack on a domain, virus is automatically authenticated against the domain controller and thats owned.. |
| [23:25:43] | jduggan: | then uh |
| [23:25:49] | jduggan: | hell |
| [23:25:50] | jduggan: | =] |
| [23:26:12] | iamlindoro: | This brings to mind the conversation I had with a new employee this week |
| [23:26:35] | iamlindoro: | when I told him I would have to install the solidworks license server on his workstation because it won't run in wine and I won't have windows servers |
| [23:26:35] | jduggan: | oh? |
| [23:26:51] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:27:05] | Dagmar: | haha |
| [23:27:07] | iamlindoro: | And he got *vehement* about how it was silly that we have no windows servers and that I was just a "typical open source person" |
| [23:27:19] | iamlindoro: | and then , and I think this was my favorite part |
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| [23:27:30] | Dagmar: | Perhaps he's unaware that not all Unix is opensource |
| [23:27:43] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:27:50] | iamlindoro: | he goes, "But I think I'm doing good, I didn't remove Firefox when I saw it on my workstation." |
| [23:28:03] | jduggan: | dude i just choked |
| [23:28:05] | jduggan: | serious |
| [23:28:09] | Dagmar: | Can I suggest some URLs to your employee? |
| [23:28:09] | iamlindoro: | the three days since have NOT been good between us |
| [23:28:22] | Dagmar: | I know some sites that can almost be counted on to fess up 0-day browser exploites |
| [23:28:28] | iamlindoro: | I figure it would make me look bad if I take a tire iron to an employee in his first week |
| [23:28:35] | Dagmar: | ...and by "fess up" I mean "infect your machine with some evil shit" |
| [23:28:46] | jduggan: | meh, scheduled maintenance at 6am isnt good, i must sleep, g'night |
| [23:29:01] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, only if he does it at home, if/when he breaks things it will be me who mops it up |
| [23:29:30] | iamlindoro: | No you can NOT have Outlook, here is your Thunderbird. No you can NOT have IE, here is your firfox. Bad enough that the workstations have to be Windows XP 64 |
| [23:29:42] | iamlindoro: | s/firfox/Firefox/ |
| [23:30:59] | Dagmar: | I'll have some ideas for you later then |
| [23:36:40] | iamlindoro: | What in the hell has nvidia done to their site?? |
| [23:37:14] | iamlindoro: | unless it's a flash-on-linux issue, there's no finding forums/support/drivers from the front page, at all |
| [23:38:05] | jams: | it's there |
| [23:38:24] | jams: | ugly flash intro though |
| [23:38:39] | iamlindoro: | jams, not just an intro for me... where onscreen? |
| [23:38:43] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: How about the link that says "Download Drivers" |
| [23:38:58] | iamlindoro: | not here there ain't |
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| [23:39:14] | iamlindoro: | http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html |
| [23:39:19] | jams: | http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
| [23:39:20] | iamlindoro: | is the page the root redirects to |
| [23:40:02] | iamlindoro: | which is to say I understand it's likely a browser issue, but still, for me at least, running plain jane firefox, nothing but some flash press crap |
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