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Monday, October 20th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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gizmobay:

Does anyone know where I can set the minimum signal strength on the DVB tuner OTA?

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Anduin:

gizmobay: to make it tune channels it doesn't or to avoid channels it does?

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cesman:

gizmobay: I do believe mythtv-setup

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cesman:

select your tuner, should be on the second page if I recall correctly

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Anduin:

those are timeout values

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gizmobay:

Is it under Capture Cards or Input Connections?

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gizmobay:

Sometimes I get a crummy signal and it causes the frontend to crash

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gizmobay:

Maybe I was mistaken, I thought there was a minimum signal strength parameter in percent

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cesman:

gizmobay: I'm certain there use to be, don't see it anymore

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HaSH:

hello all. im using a pvr-150 with svideo input from my stb. im not sure if something changed or what but when watching livetv the picture looks dark.....is there anything i can do? i dont remember it being so dark

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Anduin:

HaSH: Is it dark elsewhere? (like if you play it with mplayer)

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HaSH:

Anduin, let me check

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scant:

What about, is the picture only dark when watching 'Live TV' or do recorded programs that you recorded from the S-Video input of your PVR-150 look ok?

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HaSH:

its still pretty dark..but doesnt seem to be as dark

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HaSH:

well i was watching the departed lastnight and all the faces looked really dark.

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HaSH:

i just checked the mpg of it and they still look dark but not as dark

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scant:

*I think* there's something called Xv overlay color controls that may help you with your issue, and I would be, it's all equally dark...

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scant:

bet

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Anduin:

XV picture controld, hit f and check brightness/contrast

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HaSH:

ok in mythfrontend hit f during livetv and check them out?

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Anduin:

HaSH: Yes (if you have that enabled)

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HaSH:

Anduin, ok ill have to check that in a couple mins. i have a recording going atm

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Anduin:

HaSH: You can try it on the recording as well

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HaSH:

oh ok

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Anduin:

(it is a playback setting not an encoding setting)

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HaSH:

let me give it a whirl

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HaSH:

hmm f brings up "adjust volume"

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Anduin:

HaSH: Yeah, if it doesn't cycle through the others then it isn't the problem (and you don't have XV picture controls enabled, or they don't apply)

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HaSH:

ah ok

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Lord_Deathscythe:

any idea on fixing an audio input problem?

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jesse_1119:

hello. I was reading this on the site: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . do_I_need.3F which pretty much says that there are only 2 cards that have dual capture abilities. Is this information outdated? I was thinking of buying a Dvico Fusion Dual 4 Dual Digital which is described on the mythtv wiki as being dual tuner, is there something i am missing?

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scant:

jesse_1119: there are more than 2, i suggest you do more research

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jesse_1119:

well i did do some research (about 3 days worth). However the wiki said this: "The exceptions to this rule are the PVR 500 which contains two NTSC tuners and the HDHomeRun which contains two ATSC/QAM tuners; they consequently count as two capture cards each". I thought this would be a rather weird thing to write considering that dual tuners are actually becoming a rather common trait

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Dagmar:

Perhaps if you actually read things carefully.

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scant:

jesse_1119: i suggest you do more research

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jesse_1119:

ok so the exception to this rule is actually any card that has more than one tuner?

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jesse_1119:

thats all i wanted to verify

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scant:

jesse_1119: also, when it comes to digital channels, mythtv can record more than 1 program that's on the same multiplex

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Dagmar:

...and perhaps if you were to consult the Video4Linux site you could avoid buying a card that doesn't work under Linux

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wolfspirit:

is there anything you can do about a partial lock on a channel? the signal is usually around 95% but it won't get a lock for some reason.. if I hook the cable up to my tv I can get the channel fine

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jesse_1119:

thanks

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scant:

jesse_1119: Dagmar's comment is especially important, also, just because a v4l driver is in the main repo and not beta, doesn't mean it's good for everyday use

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jesse_1119:

oh ok

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jesse_1119:

can anyone suggest a good hd capture card?

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scant:

jesse_1119: you may not get an answer, because, what's good for 1 person isn't always good for another, and sometimes it takes time to understand what the person is looking for, will tolerate, can actually purchase, etc...

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jesse_1119:

yeah i figured that. However, I was thinking, since I have never built a mythbox before some one could give me a pointer on what they use and how its working out for them.

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jesse_1119:

otherwise im just going to go of what i read in wikis and howtos and i might miss something important

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wolfspirit:

jesse_1119: I have an hd-3000 card and it works pretty good but like scant says 'tolerate'... I do have some issues.. playback seems to have chirping sounds on some of the high def stuff

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scant:

jesse_1119: we don't care if you miss something important... it's the truth

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jesse_1119:

thanks wolfspirit

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wolfspirit:

jesse_1119: and I can't get a lock on channel 64 (local UPN channel)

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scant:

jesse_1119: considering you are new to all of this, the best way to get advice is to fully form your wants, and price range, and system type, because you don't have a system built yet, that may be difficult

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wolfspirit:

jesse_1119: oh and my amd athlon 1.4ghz system with a geforce fx 5200 card didn't seem powerful enough to be a frontend/backend server I had to go with my dual core AMD and an nvidia 9600gt

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scant:

i want dual-core...

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wolfspirit:

scant: on my 2.0 ghz dual core AMD X2 while recording something and watching it at the same time I'm at about 30% CPU max

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jesse_1119:

yeah i guess i am getting ideas. i ran an mythbuntu isntallation on some existing hardware i have and that worked fine. I guess I am looking for a card that can have a low form factor (as i haven't chosen a case yet), has two hd dvb turners and optionaly analog (tho not so important) , possibly has a mpeg2 encoder onboard and costs less than $300

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jesse_1119:

thats pretty much the entire wants that i have at this time

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scant:

wolfspirit: nice, i need dual core for 13.5 Mb/s h.264, most other stuff seems to work ok with my AthlonXP Mobile 1.8GHz with XvMC, although I get some stutter with HDTV recordings

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scant:

jesse_1119: it's difficult to tell via your sentence structure if you're aware of this, but dvb tuners don't need mpeg-2 encoders

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jesse_1119:

oh thanks

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jesse_1119:

yeah sorry about that

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scant:

if low-form-factor is your target, your choice of cards is reduced, by A LOT... so, why don't you see what dual dvb low-form-factor cards are out there...

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wolfspirit:

scant:<rant> I get chirping sounds with HD and my wife is complaining about it.. I found out that there was a bug in the ffmpeg piece of mythtv but was fixed later on but I'm using a package with ubuntu.. if I want to fix it I'm going to have to uninstall and reinstall using source and I'm not sure I want to do that.. </rant>

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jesse_1119:

oh i see

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scant:

wolfspirit: you got a link to where you found out about this ffmpeg bug?

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fryfrog:

wolfspirit: you'll be happy using the -fixes branch of svn if you switch

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wolfspirit:

scnat: http://bugs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5220

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fryfrog:

(i'd suggest not using trunk)

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scant:

wolfspirit: cause I compile myth 0.21-fixes somewhat often, and i think there's a problem with the ffmpeg decoder also, but a different one

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jesse_1119:

well i would consider a good card more important that getting a slim case. so scrapping the low form factor, would you have any advise?

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wolfspirit:

fryfrog: yeah I know.. what I want to try and avoid though is getting rid of all of my settings I've already set up.. I'm thinking if I remove the package it will remove everything

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fryfrog:

wolfspirit: ah, it shouldn't

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fryfrog:

as long as you don't use "purge"

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fryfrog:

and the settings are in the db for the most part

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fryfrog:

so it *really* won't remove those

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fryfrog:

in fact, going from 0.21 -> 0.21-fixes self compiled should be relativly painless

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wolfspirit:

fryfrog: would it be the mythbackend I would need to remove and get? does the svn include the frontend as well?

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fryfrog:

svn is everything

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fryfrog:

i'd aptitude remove all the myth related packages (otherwise one might pull something in)

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wolfspirit:

fryfrog: in synaptic it says it is 0.21-fixes but I bet it's still an outdated version

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clev:

all is one, and one is all

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fryfrog:

what you can do is...

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fryfrog:

svn co -fixes branch, configure and compile it

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clev:

fryfrog: ive had my build link against old libs before

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fryfrog:

then remove the packages (stopping the backend) and then make installing the new one

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clev:

best to not configure/compile till everything is removed

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fryfrog:

clev: for plugins, probably

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fryfrog:

but not for the main mythtv

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clev:

cant hurt to try :P

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wolfspirit:

fryfrog: well another crappy thing is I think ubuntu links myth with other things too like lirc etc.

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fryfrog:

no, for serious you don't need to do anything funky compiling mythtv itself, it doesn't depend on its own libs

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fryfrog:

mythplugins depends on mythtv libs, so you can't compile *those* until mythtv is compiled and installed.

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fryfrog:

wolfspirit: you should be able to install/remove myth w/o touching lirc

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fryfrog:

"sudo aptitude remove mythtv" and it should tell you waht it will do

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fryfrog:

(assuming i got the package name right)

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scant:

fryfrog: is it impossible for a program to depend on it's own libs?

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wolfspirit:

fryfrog: I'll possibly brave it another time :) thanks for the advice though.. want to watch a movie tonight and heroes is on tomorrow.. starting to get dependant on my myth

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fryfrog:

scant: no, that'd be retarded :p

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

is it *impossible*?

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fryfrog:

no, i don't spose it is

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fryfrog:

gcc has to be compiled some how :)

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scant:

fryfrog: ok

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fryfrog:

i think it is highly abnormal though :)

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scant:

fryfrog: it's just that i was having some issues after building mythtv today, and someone said i needed to remove mythtv libs, and that made no sense to me

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fryfrog:

otherwise, how would you compile it in the first place?

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fryfrog:

scant: you can get some problems mainly with mythplugins

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scant:

fryfrog: my build scripts build and install mythtv before mythplugins

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fryfrog:

for example, if you change which plugins you compile... the old ones will hang around and eventually mythfrontend will be like "i can't load this!" in a cranky voice.

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fryfrog:

or yeah, if you were to config/compile mythtv and mythplugins at the same time

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fryfrog:

(rather than wait till mythtv is done and also make installed)

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scant:

fryfrog: ah, i didn't think about compiling not all the mythplugins issue, thanks

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leop:

Guys my TV Tuner is detected in Mythbuntu as Analog V4L Capture Card the Chipset on the Card says Conexant Fusion 878A

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leop:

but when I scann for channels I got no signals

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clev:

let me guess, you didnt connect the cable wire ?:P

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leop:

it's connected :)

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leop:

I set TV Format Pal and Channel Freq Table "Australia"

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wolfspirit:

leop: you might have the wrong modulation selected under input connections when scanning for channels

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leop:

Input connection Television

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leop:

I'm assuming this is direct Coax cable

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wolfspirit:

leop: no I mean under input connections -> scan for channels there is a section called modulation.. based on what your setup is (cable, high def/standard def, OTA, etc.) you need to select the right one

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leop:

Ok let me check

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leop:

wolfspirit: I checked input connections -> scan for channles I can't find section Modulation in there

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leop:

all I got is Video source -input – Scan type=Full scan Channel Freq Existing Channel

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wolfspirit:

leop: I used this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD3000 to help me through that section... this may not be your card but it does have info for how to get through that section

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leop:

ok thanks

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Anduin:

modulation selection is for HD cards

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leop:

but my card is analog :(

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RyeBrye:

I'm trying to set up a PVR-500 in my new box, and I'm not getting anything in myth for it. I can cat the device and pipe it to a file and watch the file with mplayer – and I can scan for channels just fine in mythtv setup – butw hen I try to watch TV with it or record on the tuners in myth, I get a blank screen.

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RyeBrye:

The backend has this in the logs when I start the backend with -v debug: http://pastebin.com/m572b642b

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fryfrog:

RyeBrye: you might try a less verbose and more narrow -v option

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fryfrog:

you can use "-v help" to see all the options, but i think one might be "record" which might be better suited.

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RyeBrye:

Wouldn't I want a more verbose option? I started the backend in a terminal window so I can see what it is saying in realtime

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fryfrog:

sure, but i think debug just has a bunch of trash

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fryfrog:

like db calls, things like that

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fryfrog:

i mean, if you can pick out the useful info from it... thats fine then.

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

your paste is tiny :)

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fryfrog:

your PVR500 is setup as a software encoder

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RyeBrye:

I think I may ahve figured it out. I think I need to set up a recording profile for it... which I never did

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fryfrog:

you need to change its type to ivtv

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RyeBrye:

in mythtv-setup?

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fryfrog:

yeah, i think so

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fryfrog:

did you set it up as a v4l device?

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RyeBrye:

ok, cool

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RyeBrye:

I think I did

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RyeBrye:

yes

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fryfrog:

or as an MPEG2 device?

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fryfrog:

yeah, needs to be MPEG2

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fryfrog:

might be called "PVR" or "ivtv" but it is *not* v4l for sure

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fryfrog:

(should be obvious as you cycle through the types)

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RyeBrye:

Hmmm... I think I set it up as v4l – because I was just thinking "v4l provides drivers in the kernel for my card. therefore I will pick this" – but I'll go switch it. That makes sense

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RyeBrye:

I knew it was pebcac

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fryfrog:

well, and it really *is* using some v4l stuff

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fryfrog:

but more specifically it is a hardware mpeg2 card that uses ivtv

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RyeBrye:

Yep, I see it now in mythtv-setup. I don't setup my cards that often... so I forgot about that :)

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RyeBrye:

Now it's working the way it shoudl in the frontend too :)

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RyeBrye:

thanks

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fryfrog:

at least it was easy ;)

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fryfrog:

i was anticipating pages and pages of debug level output :p

[04:33:26]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I would't expect anyone to ever read that :)

[04:34:57]

RyeBrye:

Is it generally accepted that the phillips tuners are better than the samsung tuners on PVR500's?

[04:35:12]

fryfrog:

nfi :(

[04:35:32]

RyeBrye:

The reason I ask is my friend gave he his old PVR-500 and it is a phillips tuner one. I've had a Samsung-tuner one I've used for a while that I haven't had many problems with

[04:35:43]

RyeBrye:

I mean... It captures the essence of shitty analog cable as well as anything can, I assume

[04:36:00]

RyeBrye:

garbage in... garbage out...

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fryfrog:

i forget what mine have, but they did okay

[04:36:13]

fryfrog:

is his ugly?

[04:36:31]

RyeBrye:

yeah, his has bigger metal boxes where the tuners are and they are almost touching

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RyeBrye:

on mine, the boxes are smaller and they have a big gap around them all

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fryfrog:

ah

[04:36:53]

RyeBrye:

(on the card itself, not the outside of the box or anything – it looks identical)

[04:37:01]

fryfrog:

i think mine has the smaller ones

[04:37:12]

RyeBrye:

I THINK that might mean samsung, but not sure

[04:37:49]

RyeBrye:

I'd put both of them in there, but I don't think I will ever need 4 analog tuners in addition to the 2 ATSC tuners of the HDHR

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

thats a *lot* of tuners

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RyeBrye:

I frequently use 2 of the ATSC ones at once

[04:38:52]

RyeBrye:

Since I watch a lot of prime-time broadcast shows

[04:39:54]

fryfrog:

my firewire stbs are pretty frequently going 2 at once

[04:39:56]

RyeBrye:

Oh.. and I don't want to put a splitter in front of it to cut the signal down even more – that's the other reason to not put both PVR-500's in there

[04:39:58]

fryfrog:

when they wrork

[04:40:26]

RyeBrye:

I'm probably going to get a STB soon – and I'll hope that my cable company is nice about what they put out over firewire

[04:40:50]

RyeBrye:

Every few months I email them and ask them in different terms what kind of firewire support they have – but I usually get no response.

[04:41:05]

fryfrog:

at least trying one is easy and cheap

[04:41:12]

fryfrog:

$10 one month, don't like it, bring it back

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. It's just the hassle of calling them to set it up :)

[04:41:20]

fryfrog:

especially nice if they have an office you can go to in person

[04:41:26]

fryfrog:

visit a local office?

[04:41:30]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... I wonder if I could just pick one up

[04:41:36]

RyeBrye:

I'll find out.

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fryfrog:

i did

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fryfrog:

comcast in the bay area of california

[04:41:58]

RyeBrye:

The cable company is actually pretty interesting here – it's run by my local city... not by any of the big players like comcast or whatnot

[04:42:07]

fryfrog:

ah

[04:42:08]

fryfrog:

wow

[04:42:19]

fryfrog:

so you either have a good chance of it being very nice...

[04:42:26]

fryfrog:

or them having no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, The installer guy was awesome.

[04:42:45]

RyeBrye:

I think they have a couple of people in there who know what they are doing

[04:43:45]

RyeBrye:

The installer guy showed up early, offered to run an extra line for me to put my cable modem in a closet by my computer room (the closet wall was adjacent to the furnace room where my lines come in – so it wasn't a long run – just up to the ceiling – over an exposed joist, and then down the wall and through drywall) – but he even put a faceplate on it for me and everything – for no charge

[04:44:35]

RyeBrye:

maybe I'll go find out if I can get a cable box tomorrow... I've got a 1394 connection just waiting to be used :)

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scant:

in a closet?

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RyeBrye:

The 1394 is on my computer. I'd have the STB under my TV and above my mythbox

[04:48:52]

RyeBrye:

I was just thinking... In a power outage, would cable signal be unaffected similar to how POTS lines are separate from power lines so they work in outages...? I was wondering if a generator would help keep a cable modem online in the event of a power outage

[04:49:50]

fryfrog:

Or a UPS

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scant:

my cable modem isn't on my UPS I think, but my router, nas, etc is

[04:51:38]

fryfrog:

all my network gear is on my ups

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scant:

nice

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fryfrog:

not that it is much, router, switch, cable modem

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fryfrog:

also a server and 2 pcs

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scant:

more items, less uptime... so, ifigured a cable modem wasn't necessary

[04:52:11]

fryfrog:

not shooting for longevity :)

[04:52:21]

fryfrog:

just to ride a brown/short outage

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fryfrog:

hopefully long enough to just shut things down gracefully

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RyeBrye:

Being the only person in your neighborhood on a cable modem might give you some nice speeds

[04:53:20]

RyeBrye:

although I bet you'd have to have a hacked / uncapped cable modem to take advantage of it

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scant:

RyeBrye: u uncap?

[04:53:43]

RyeBrye:

Me? no. I haven't. I've been to scared I'd be caught by my ISP and banished

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scant:

uh huh

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RyeBrye:

scant – do you?

[04:54:19]

scant:

i thought it was rather difficult to tell

[04:54:30]

RyeBrye:

Maybe it is

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** RyeBrye goes off to research more **

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scant:

?

[04:55:04]

scant:

research what?

[04:55:06]

RyeBrye:

I want to find out if I can get away with it easily :)

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fryfrog:

i hear the "best" way to do it is have 2 modems.

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scant:

oh

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fryfrog:

1 perfectly normal one doing perfectly normal stuff

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fryfrog:

and another doing... what evah

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scant:

fryfrog: yeah, you hear.... haha

[04:55:56]

fryfrog:

for serious, i'm to scared to do that either :)

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fryfrog:

plus i get 1.2mb/sec from comcast as it is already :p

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RyeBrye:

Mb or mb?

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fryfrog:

megabytes

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RyeBrye:

cool

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fryfrog:

as in ~1200k/sec

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scant:

do either of you know anyone who does?

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fryfrog:

sometimes it peaks at 1.9mb /sec

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RyeBrye:

I knew a guy who did – but this was about 5 or 6 years ago I think

[04:56:51]

RyeBrye:

I'm not sure why he stopped

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fryfrog:

no, just talked about it once upon a time in an irc channel

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scant:

yeah, all the stuff i read about it was a long time ago

[04:58:04]

fryfrog:

i read about it maybe a year or less ago

[04:58:37]

scant:

http://thecablemodemguide.freehostia.com/index.htm

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scant:

i'm not endorsing

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RyeBrye:

I wonder if my cable company would warn before acting... or woudl buy the "I just used the modem my friend gave me. He never told me he did anything to it" excuse ;)

[05:00:36]

scant:

RyeBrye: it doesn't work like that I don't think, the mac address is tied to an ccount, so if you used your friends modem, it would be on their account

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fryfrog:

i believe the idea is you sniff macs and just use some random one

[05:01:12]

fryfrog:

or... something :p

[05:01:19]

scant:

fryfrog: haha

[05:01:25]

fryfrog:

probably not the best place to jibber jabber about it

[05:02:16]

scant:

fryfrog: only if one is doing someing they shouldn't ;-)

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scant:

i'm really frustrated

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fryfrog:

yeah, well in the US sometimes just talking about it is illegal :/

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RyeBrye:

gotta love that freedom of speech we fought so hard to preserve

[05:03:45]

scant:

all of the HD PRV h.264 samples from the mythtv wiki stutter

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fryfrog:

for serious :)

[05:04:01]

scant:

but I have many other h.264 videos that don't stutter

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RyeBrye:

scant – no, they are fine! :)

[05:04:19]

scant:

and mplayer can player can play the h.264 samples from the mythtv wiki fine

[05:04:28]

scant:

RyeBrye: i'm not implying there is something wrong with them

[05:04:31]

RyeBrye:

I know :)

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scant:

but i want to know why only they stutter and why mplyer can play them fine

[05:04:56]

RyeBrye:

But you should post a note: "Please replace these with clips from a show that is not a slideshow with an audio overlay."

[05:04:57]

RyeBrye:

;)

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scant:

i'm wondering if everyonne who tests them is using 0.22 and not 0.21-fixes

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fryfrog:

i think it is due to the way that the hd-pvr encodes h264

[05:05:49]

fryfrog:

it takes a *really* beefy cpu to decode it

[05:06:03]

fryfrog:

something about single slice?

[05:06:08]

scant:

fryfrog: all of them, even the 7 Mb/s ones stutter, and again, mplayer on the same machine plays them fine

[05:06:29]

fryfrog:

humm, i dunno

[05:06:35]

fryfrog:

i'm waiting until 0.22 to buy one

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fryfrog:

or two :)

[05:06:38]

scant:

fryfrog: can you play them fine?

[05:06:49]

fryfrog:

haven't even tried, my front end is only a 4200+

[05:06:55]

scant:

RyeBrye: can you play them fine?

[05:06:58]

fryfrog:

it can only do 720p stuff from the itnerwebs.

[05:08:22]

scant:

fryfrog: the samples are 720p

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fryfrog:

ah

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scant:

i'm looking for someone who can play them fine with 0.21-fixes

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scant:

fryfrog: want to test the 7 Mb/s one for me?

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fryfrog:

can't right now, worki :)

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fryfrog:

n

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scant:

=(

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RyeBrye:

scant – yeah, I only tested the 13.5 Megabit, but it plays fine

[05:11:22]

RyeBrye:

I'm on 0.21-fixes

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scant:

RyeBrye: cool, what's your CPU?

[05:11:42]

RyeBrye:

q9550

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RyeBrye:

(core2quad)

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scant:

well then, that's nice

[05:12:47]

RyeBrye:

It uses 80% CPU (on one core) to do it – but it has no problems at normal speed

[05:13:19]

scant:

RyeBrye: my cpu is much much less powerfull, but i'm frustrated because mplayer plays them w/o stutter...

[05:13:20]

RyeBrye:

At 1.2 or 1.3x timestretch I do start to see some stuttering

[05:13:37]

RyeBrye:

I've oc'ed my processor to 3.6 Ghz also

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, if mplayer can handle them and the internal player can't – that's cause for some head scratching

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scant:

people in here before said it was normal or something

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clev:

RyeBrye: have you noticed how mythtv's internal player sucks cpu even when paused?

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RyeBrye:

clev – mine is only using 4% right now when I have it paused

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clev:

and how much when actualy playing?

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RyeBrye:

80%

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RyeBrye:

for the 13.5 megabit H.264

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clev:

internal in mythvideo or actual recordings?

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clev:

ive noticed it for mpg/nuv recordings

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RyeBrye:

internal in mythvideo

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RyeBrye:

(i can timestretch... etc. with it)

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clev:

the 264 code may handle things better

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RyeBrye:

It might. It's probably newer code.

[05:16:23]

clev:

ive forgoten mythfrontend on a recording in paused mode

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clev:

then discovered it was sucking 80% cpu for the past 5 hours

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RyeBrye:

I think I have seen the thing you are talking about with mpeg2 though

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scant:

clev: give us some numbers...

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scant:

if you have them

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clev:

i'll start playing a .mpg from my pvr150

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clev:

the bitrate is set to ~1gig/hour

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clev:

~34% cpu usage

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clev:

19% when paused

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clev:

19–22%

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scant:

~1gig/hour? by default my PVR-150 does ~2gig/hour

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clev:

scant: i lowered the bitrate, im low on space

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scant:

clev: and you don't have mythtranscode or mythcommflag running?

[05:19:47]

clev:

scant: that cpu usage is for the mythfrontend process

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scant:

clev: cool

[05:20:14]

scant:

clev: how are you checking it? top?

[05:20:20]

clev:

yep

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Led-Hed:

I have 2 HD STB's connected via firewire. 1 SA3250HD and 1 SA4250HDC. Each one works fine when connected to the backend by itself. If I connect them both I can get a (LAM) Lock, but no video on the frontends. Any ideas?

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scant:

clev: ~20 playing, ~15 not playing

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clev:

now do the same test on mplayer

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scant:

clev: it's around the same playing and not playing, what's even more interesting, and maybe i'm doing this incorrectly, is that it's also ~15 playing with XvMC

[05:24:14]

clev:

30% playing, 0% paused!!!

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scant:

cool

[05:24:46]

clev:

mythfrontend is realy screwing up if its using 20% cpu when paused

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scant:

clev: i just want to play the h.264 samples from the mythtv wiki near with near the same quality as mplayer

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clev:

i can bearly even get the hd samples to run in mplayer

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clev:

i got a chunk of i think kill bill, from bbc

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scant:

nice

[05:28:38]

clev:

it bearly plays on my c2d 1.8ghz

[05:28:44]

scant:

the kill bill sample that is

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clev:

it can only use 1 core

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scant:

I only have a AthlonXP 1.8GHz

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scant:

mobile

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scant:

cause the multipliers can be changed on them... =)

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clev:

i just did the mplayer/mythfrontend test with my laptop in 700mhz

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clev:

the laptop can only go 700mhz or 1ghz

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scant:

weird

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scant:

the longer i play the mythtv wiki h.264 hd pvr samples in mplayer the more it stutters

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scant:

for like the first 5–10 seconds, it's ok, but then it starts breaking up

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RyeBrye:

my multiplier can be changed... kind of... The max multiplier of the q9550 is 8.5 – the min is 6. Speedstep is SUPPOSED to make it go from 6 to 8.5 depending upon demand – but in linux it seems to get caught on 7 so if I turn on speed step it effectively always underclocks my processor

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scant:

RyeBrye: cool

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Led-Hed:

I have a tunner on a Slave Backend, in Info Center it says the tunner is unavailable even though it is "Available" is there a way to force the salve backend to report to the Master that the tunner is available?

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scant:

RyeBrye: i didn't think intel multipliers could be changed anymore, only the fsb

[05:38:13]

RyeBrye:

Well... they can't be adjusted higher than the max multiplier

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Led-Hed:

I've tried restarting mythbackend on the slave, but that hasnt seemed to change anything

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RyeBrye:

But to enable the speedstep , they let you lower it down

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scant:

RyeBrye: but you disable it?

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RyeBrye:

So at a stock FSB, my CPU would run at 2.83 GHz and 8.5 multiplier... but using speedstep it'll go down to 6 and drop the vcore down to save energy until it sees it needs more – then it will bring it back up

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, but if ACPI thinks its on AC power it shouldnt ever throttle down the multiplier

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I did because once you set a higher vcore it no longer drops the vcore (at leasy my mobo prevents it) – so I'm not saving much energy there... and the multiplier wasn't goign back up to 8.5 – it was only going between 6 and 7

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RyeBrye:

Led-Hed – the intel EIST is specifically designed to lower the multiplier and the vcore to save power – and it does lower the multiplier on desktop machines

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Wicked:

hello all. is it possilble to have mythtv got full screen and not allow anything over it? right now my xfce menubar sits ontop of mythtv(i cannot get the menubar to not be ontop) but if i maximize mplayer or vlc using xv i can make it go over the menubar

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clev:

RyeBrye: ive noticed that my laptops power usage can drop by 10 watts if i just go 1.6ghz -> 600mhz

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, that sux

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Led-Hed:

so your CPU only gives U full speed when it thinks it should.

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RyeBrye:

Led-Hed – it can be disabled in bios pretty esaily

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Led-Hed:

ok

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RyeBrye:

Well... mine is disabled :)

[05:41:43]

clev:

and underclocking when on AC will keep the temp under control

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RyeBrye:

My temps are around 40 C idle – which is fine for me

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** Led-Hed underclocks all his HTPC CPU's **

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clev:

i use powernowd to throttle it automaticaly, and i can take manual control anytime i want

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RyeBrye:

my bios lets me save all my settings in a profile – so I might save my 'overclock' setting and just boot into it when I know I'm going to be doing a massive amount of transcoding... etc. – and then setup an underclocking / undervolting / silent CPU mode for normal use

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Led-Hed:

I'm thinking about getting one of the Atom 330's for HD playback, Might have to Overclock/volt that one though

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scant:

clev: are you on a mobile processor?

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Led-Hed:

any Firewire Guru's here?

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clev:

scant: only on the newest laptop

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scant:

clev: is there an alternative to powernowd?

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clev:

powernowd is the only program ive used in linux

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clev:

for automatic control

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clev:

theres also a freq applet in gnome-panel

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scant:

clev: cool, thanks for mentioning it, i'm gonna try it out on my mobile AthlonXP in my myth box

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clev:

if you simply 'sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop'

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clev:

then the automatic control should stop and it will return to 100% power

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scant:

cool

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RyeBrye:

powertop is a cool app that tells you what is keeping your processor from going idle

[05:47:39]

RyeBrye:

so you can know if you have something sucking power, basically

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clev:

and using cpufreq-selector in a terminal you can manualy control the freq

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Wicked:

bah no matter what i do...this menubar is always on top of mythtv :(

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scant:

thanks for the info

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clev:

Wicked: then just stop running the menu

[05:49:29]

Wicked:

clev, wish i could...but i need the menu...i dont have a dedicated mythbox

[05:50:11]

Wicked:

other players are able to go full screen over the menubar..but i cant figure out how to have mythtv do it

[05:51:02]

clev:

mythtv does it also by default

[05:51:16]

clev:

until you start messing with the width/height

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Wicked:

hmm i have not touched those settings. only thing that is different is i hooked up a second monitor and set up twinview...mythtv seems to know which monitor to use and all..it just wont draw over this menubar

[05:52:59]

clev:

if you right click on the bar, you can probly delete it from that monitor

[05:53:38]

Wicked:

i could delete the menubar..but this is my main desktop i use everyday. i cant remove the menubar

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clev:

cant you use the 1st monitor for normal stuff and the 2nd monitor for mythtv?

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Wicked:

the 2nd monitor is much crappier and smaller

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clev:

SD or HD?

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Wicked:

both

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clev:

ah

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clev:

i usualy just resize mythfrontend so its small enough to fit between the panels

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Wicked:

1st monitor is 24inches @ 1920x1200 and 2nd is 17in @ 1200x1024

[05:56:26]

clev:

those are both way beyond most of my screens :P

[05:56:39]

Wicked:

well i guess im add'ing out..but having the menubar onscreen when im watching tv is *so* irratating

[05:56:54]

clev:

duct tape!

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Wicked:

lol

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Wicked:

i cant find much info either....

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RyeBrye:

Interesting. the "bogomips" on one of my cores is 50% higher than the other 3

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fryfrog:

thats...

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fryfrog:

odd

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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fryfrog:

maybe one of your cores is on steroids :)

[06:03:41]

RyeBrye:

It's core3 – which, interestingly enough – is always the one running hotter than the rest when I was monitoring temps when I was OC'ing

[06:03:58]

RyeBrye:

The other 3 cores are all within 0.01 of each other

[06:04:10]

RyeBrye:

Or rather 0.05

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RyeBrye:

7327.50 +/0 0.05 and hten core 3 is 11083.56

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RyeBrye:

strange

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TazgodX:

is there any add on to stream like a slingbox over the internet from my myth box?

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wagnerrp:

mythweb

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wagnerrp:

video stream is built into the current version of mythweb, albeit in an experimental manner

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scant:

i want 4 cores... =)

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TazgodX:

hmmm, how do i work that wagnerrp? i have mythweb, but when i click a movie in my collection it jsut starts d/ling it. not sttreaming it

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wagnerrp:

the streaming is currently only supported for recordings

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scant:

mythweb->settings->videoplayback

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scant:

don't complain that it doesn't work or whatever

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TazgodX:

ahhh, ok. thanks. i was more looking into a way to stream some movies that i put on there

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TazgodX:

guess ill just be waiting

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gpd:

anyone else having freezing issues after recent ubuntu hardy update? I get to mythtv screen and machine dies. ie. no response to sysrq. hardware?

[07:29:15]

gpd:

last updates were nvidia-glx-new and libc6 plus cupsys stuff

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t0ny-p40:

How do I set the default channel without going into mythtv-setup?

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t0ny-p40:

I'm trying to find working channels on my firewire cable box.

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gpd:

seems to have nothing to do with mythtv – just crashed in boxee – i suspect nvidia drivers – crap

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t0ny-p40:

never mind

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Darthy:

hi. im still having problems with an out of memory error with mythtv-backend – it worked about 1 year now and since i upgraded my linux/kernel the oom killer gets active after mythbackend running for about 2 mins.

[07:45:02]

directhex:

how much memory do you have?

[07:45:31]

Darthy:

the oom killer kills mysql and mythbackend first, then nearly all other processes. i took a look at top and about 100mb are used at mythbackend starttime incl. mythbackend.

[07:45:39]

Darthy:

so about 400mb + swap free.

[07:46:18]

Darthy:

could it be some kernel option? i had to to a completely new .config of the kernel.. so it can be that i missed an option.

[07:46:35]

Darthy:

btw. the system is stable without running mythbackend.

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Darthy:

the computer is acting as a fileserver, email server and svn repository as well.

[07:48:15]

Darthy:

i know theres plenty of discussion about the oom killer. i tried to deactivate it, so that any mallocs fail and crashes the sw.. but this will also freeze my system. i did a memtest – everything fine.

[07:48:49]

Darthy:

im a bit out of ideas. so if anyone had anything like this it would be great to get to know.

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Darthy:

is the latest myth-backend redesigned to use much more mem? it doesnt look that way.

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Darthy:

or can it be some broken database cache or something?

[07:50:50]

Darthy:

i just flushed the program-table within mythconverg.. i remebered to have had problems with this once.

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styelz:

gpd: yep

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laga:

Darthy: are you using DVB?

[07:53:10]

laga:

or EIT?

[07:53:19]

styelz:

gpd: just now, first time though. upgraded last night. ran fine all day. then just hung

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laga:

ah, you only upgraded the kernel

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Darthy:

laga: yes, im using dvb through loopback device.

[07:55:39]

Darthy:

laga: nope. i downgraded the kernel from 2.6.2x to 2.6.17.11 because my second dvb card doesnt tune to horizontal freqs with the new cx modules

[07:55:43]

laga:

ah, sasc. never mind then ;)

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Darthy:

i tried different kernels now for this problem to get solved. i tried several 2.6.16 kernels

[07:56:56]

wagnerrp:

any idea why running the backend from a startup script cannot access the database

[07:57:04]

Darthy:

i dont think that loopback is the problem. and i dont want to discuss anything about that here! :)

[07:57:11]

wagnerrp:

but running the identical command manually from the mythtv user works just fine

[07:57:26]

Darthy:

that worked like a charm once i did a new kernel config

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wagnerrp:

'ps' reports both attempts as running under the user mythtv

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Darthy:

i did the new kernel .config from scratch. so it could really be a configuration prob

[07:59:31]

wagnerrp:

horizontal frequencies?

[08:00:05]

wagnerrp:

usually that refers to an analog scan frequency

[08:00:17]

wagnerrp:

not something you would have to worry about on a digital dvb card

[08:00:37]

directhex:

nobody is going to be abel to comment on possible or real damage to your kernel and to myth caused by sasc

[08:01:38]

gpd:

hmm... now the entire machine seems to be TOAST. no beep even with no memory.

[08:02:47]

gpd:

guess i need a new motherboard, possibly a new chip, ho hum.

[08:03:32]

Darthy:

wagnerrp > yes. but i couldnt get any lock on horizontal frequs with kernel > 2.6.2x. on earlier kernels it worked like a charm. and that was only a problem on ,my second dvb card – which is exactly the same card. same revision as well.

[08:03:32]

laga:

try a new PSU?

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wagnerrp:

when you press the power button, do any of the fans move slightly?

[08:05:20]

wagnerrp:

Darthy: what do you mean by horizontal frequencies

[08:05:44]

t0ny-p40:

I can't get a lock with my motorola cable box using firewire

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laga:

wagnerrp: i think that's DVB-S specific

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t0ny-p40:

I'm sure the channel I'm using is in the clear too

[08:06:03]

t0ny-p40:

Any ideas?

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Darthy:

wagnerrp > if i tune to any channels that is lying on a transponder which is on a horizontal frequency range the 2nd card cannto get a lock on later kernelversions.

[08:12:04]

Darthy:

i pasted my info incl. dmesg/szap/dvbsnoop info to the kernel bugzilla. theres another guy having the same problem – so i think this is related to v4l/dvb.

[08:12:08]

wagnerrp:

im asking what you mean by 'horizontal frequency'

[08:12:21]

wagnerrp:

ive never heard that term outside of analog scanning frequencies

[08:12:40]

wagnerrp:

i.e. how fast the e-tube flits back and forth

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Darthy:

if you like a definition of horizontal frequs i suppose a visit to wikipedia. :) as i know the signals are polarized into vertical and horizontal ones. the same as in analog – but the signal is afterwards converted to a digital stream. i think its a driver issue. the voltage while tuning on come channel lying on a horizontal transponder is 0V.. i think it should be something like 12V – dont know exactly.

[08:16:54]

Darthy:

its also very strange that this bug only appears to my second dvb card. i changed cables to check if my lnbs are all working and they do. so its no calble or satelite/lnb-hardware terror.

[08:17:55]

Darthy:

wagnerrp "how fast the e-tube flits back and forth" whats that gonny mean? sorry – english isnt my motherlanguage. is it something like "its raining cats and dogs" ?

[08:17:57]

Darthy:

:)

[08:19:29]

wagnerrp:

horizontal and vertical frequency refers to how the electron beam in a CRT display is steered

[08:19:46]

wagnerrp:

i have only heard it in reference to analog signals

[08:19:58]

wagnerrp:

where as dvb is a digital signal

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wagnerrp:

its just a data stream, there are no timing signals

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Darthy:

yes sure. but think before the signal gets converted to digital values. since then the signal through air is analog – since every signal is analog. one could also say that the tiny electron pulses inside a cpu or something else is pretty analog as well. :)

[08:22:20]

wagnerrp:

the signal doesnt get converted to digital values, it gets converted to a compressed mpeg stream. it a completely different beast

[08:23:02]

laga:

ah. so mpeg streams are not digital?

[08:23:07]

Darthy:

and the signal through air can be received either on a horizontal or vertical scale – i think. since im not really good at physics you should see some reliable site for more info. i dont want to tell some bloody lies here. :)

[08:23:17]

Darthy:

sure mpeg streams are digital

[08:23:38]

Darthy:

we are speaking about the transmission of these streams through air dont we?

[08:23:56]

wagnerrp:

sure its digital, but its a full frame rendered at a time, there is no scan frequency

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Darthy:

there must be something like an AD converter on every lnb

[08:25:05]

Darthy:

it would have any meaning on the driver side if you couldnt get more bandwidth out of the transmission by selecting purely horizontal or vertical frequencies i think.

[08:25:32]

wagnerrp:

but its a digital signal, there is no horizontal or vertical frequency

[08:25:36]

wagnerrp:

its just data

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Darthy:

wagnerrp > sure.. youre thinking at least a level too high.

[08:27:12]

wagnerrp:

its like saying there are horizontal and vertical frequencies coming over the data packets on your ethernet cord

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wagnerrp:

the only frequency you care about is baud rate

[08:29:13]

wagnerrp:

since the data does not map directly to a 2D screen, there is no horizontal or vertical

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wagnerrp:

unless im completely misunderstanding something

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gpd:

now that i must buy a new MOBO – is there a brand / feature set that I should consider? (FAQ?)

[08:33:18]

gpd:

old one was an MSI K9N NeoF AM2

[08:33:25]

Darthy:

wagnerrp> no. i just read on wikipedia that by selecting the voltage on an lnb you can set it to receive horizontal (18v) or vertical (14V) signals. on these signals the transponders are located. the da-converter on a dvb-card then converts the analog signal to digital stream when tuned to a specific frequency. but if you like it precise i really would search the web.

[08:33:51]

gpd:

I could either buy a drop in replacement – or upgrade to AM2+

[08:34:16]

mchou:

gpd: your question is meaningless

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wagnerrp:

Darthy: so its physically the direction of oscillation of the EM wave

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wagnerrp:

having nothing to do with the information it passes

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gpd:

mchou: i am just fishing for people to say that ASUS is KING or similar...

[08:34:58]

mchou:

gpd: you dont say what kind of TV you have, nor what sources you record from

[08:35:51]

gpd:

mchou: as I say — fishing for brand fans. MSI / ASUS / GIGABYTE / etc.... I guess they are all the same in the end.

[08:36:05]

Darthy:

laga: thanx for reminding me that sasc is crap! :) without it its working now i think. have to stresstest..

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wagnerrp:

why is wake-on-lan so damned inconsistent?

[08:46:02]

mchou:

wagnerrp: there is nothing inconsistent about it unless you have a lousy ACPI implementation (aka crappy mobo)

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wagnerrp:

actually, boot up works just fine

[08:48:34]

wagnerrp:

its the wake from standby im struggling with

[08:49:26]

wagnerrp:

another machine i try, wake from standby works, but booting doesnt

[08:49:30]

wagnerrp:

another i try, nothing works

[08:50:03]

wagnerrp:

although this was a freebie computer, i dont actually know what manufacturer it is

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Darthy:

is it a known issue, that it can happen the program db-table to get crappy using eit-scanning on dvb. flushing it solved my problem i think.

[09:04:13]

Darthy:

laga: sorry – false info. it was the program table that made mysql and the backend getting oom-killed.

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FisherPrice:

helloo again

[09:05:01]

FisherPrice:

Newbe alert

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FisherPrice:

!remote

[09:06:06]

FisherPrice:

Question: I have my remote working now. (mceusb2) but there's some buttons that don't seem to work

[09:06:21]

FisherPrice:

i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction

[09:07:15]

famicom:

dont work what where how and why

[09:07:25]

famicom:

what does irw say

[09:07:35]

FisherPrice:

well, irw say's "Back"

[09:07:38]

FisherPrice:

it registers

[09:07:39]

FisherPrice:

ok

[09:07:49]

FisherPrice:

but I can't assign it in Mythtv

[09:07:59]

famicom:

Your config file is fucked

[09:08:00]

famicom:

fix it

[09:08:03]

FisherPrice:

it's like it doesnt register

[09:08:06]

FisherPrice:

ok

[09:08:13]

FisherPrice:

which config

[09:08:18]

famicom:

google it

[09:08:32]

FisherPrice:

lircd.conf?

[09:08:35]

famicom:

yeah

[09:08:40]

famicom:

and .lircrc

[09:08:41]

FisherPrice:

hrm

[09:08:54]

FisherPrice:

I'll have a look at lircrc first i think

[09:09:01]

FisherPrice:

i haven't looked at it

[09:09:13]

famicom:

for fucks sake

[09:09:41]

famicom:

why the fuck didnt you do that before you come here and waste my time

[09:10:01]

FisherPrice:

first..i didn't know about that file

[09:10:13]

FisherPrice:

and second, I'm totally new to mythtv and remotes

[09:10:23]

FisherPrice:

sorry for the invasion of your time

[09:10:33]

famicom:

next time, check the wiki

[09:10:40]

famicom:

im sorry that i'm being a douche

[09:10:43]

famicom:

but anyway

[09:10:47]

famicom:

"teach a man to fish"

[09:10:51]

cesman:

actually, MythTV doesn't use .lircrc

[09:10:59]

cesman:

it uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[09:11:24]

cesman:

now it you are wise, you'll symlink .lircrc to that file

[09:11:37]

wagnerrp:

or the other way around

[09:11:48]

cesman:

yeah ;)

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FisherPrice:

thanks for the heads up about the .mythtv/lircrc file

[09:14:15]

FisherPrice:

I see in there some options..

[09:15:13]

wagnerrp:

anyone know the meaning of /proc/acpi/wakeup?

[09:15:29]

justinh:

FisherPrice: all you have to do is make sure the button names from lircd.conf and lircrc line up

[09:15:38]

wagnerrp:

more specifically, if the state is only listed as S1, does that mean that device cannot wake up the machine from S3

[09:16:00]

justinh:

if the 'back' button is called Back in lircd.conf make sure it's defined as Back in the lircrc file

[09:17:03]

FisherPrice:

ahhhh

[09:17:06]

FisherPrice:

i c

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justinh:

same spelling, same case

[09:17:24]

justinh:

use irw to verify all your remote buttons work

[09:17:25]

FisherPrice:

Yep, i understand

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FisherPrice:

yeah it workd

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FisherPrice:

works8

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FisherPrice:

I've just got to work out what mapping i want

[09:17:56]

justinh:

also be careful you don't end up with one button assigned to conflicting functions in mythtv ;)

[09:18:02]

FisherPrice:

yeah

[09:18:07]

FisherPrice:

that's what i mean

[09:18:50]

FisherPrice:

I need to be a bit carefull.. I want the 'Back' button to essentially be mapped to the Esc key

[09:19:07]

FisherPrice:

rather... to have the same functionallity

[09:19:18]

justinh:

button = Back

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justinh:

config = Esc

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justinh:

:)

[09:19:30]

FisherPrice:

I think the "Stop" button is used at the moment for that

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FisherPrice:

:D

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FisherPrice:

I don't think I've said this... but Mythtv isn't too bad.. I like it

[09:25:20]

FisherPrice:

Can you have two buttons in the lircrc set to the same config?

[09:25:32]

FisherPrice:

eg the stop to Esc and the Back to Esc?

[09:25:42]

wagnerrp:

sure

[09:26:04]

wagnerrp:

although back would be better as 'left'

[09:26:19]

wagnerrp:

hitting 'left' has the same effect as 'esc' in most areas

[09:26:56]

FisherPrice:

yeah, but I was in the in a section and there was nothing i could to to exit except hitting the Stop button

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FisherPrice:

I was trying to configure the keya

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FisherPrice:

keys*

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FisherPrice:

I need to look at the mappings..

[09:28:16]

FisherPrice:

now mythtv doesn't work with the remote

[09:28:18]

justinh:

wagnerrp: only if you have arrow key accelerators switched on. I turned it off cos it's a PITA

[09:28:53]

justinh:

that setting is really only for people with remotes that don't have enough buttons IMHO

[09:29:42]

justinh:

I think the default setting for that is enabled though

[09:29:51]

FisherPrice:

irw works.. but mythv doesn't reckognise it's working at all now :S

[09:30:02]

wagnerrp:

ah, i didnt even know you could change that behavior

[09:30:16]

justinh:

FisherPrice: you must've borked your lircrc file somehow

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justinh:

fyi you need to restart mythfrontend for it to take changes in your lircrc file

[09:30:53]

justinh:

it only reads it once

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FisherPrice:

yea i restarted.. but I've deleted the bit i added

[09:31:34]

FisherPrice:

and it still doesn't work

[09:31:56]

justinh:

pop the file into a pastebin & let's have a peek

[09:32:11]

firestorm:

Hi. Is it possible to mix versions of mythfrontend / mythbackend ?

[09:32:28]

justinh:

firestorm: you know it's not

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wagnerrp:

as long as theyre within the same backend protocol version, there usually arent any problems

[09:33:07]

FisherPrice:

I'll just re-set the install first and try again

[09:33:09]

wagnerrp:

but the version usually changes several times per major release

[09:33:23]

justinh:

protocol version & database schema version have to be the same or you're asking for trouble

[09:33:44]

wagnerrp:

i think when i started with 0.18, it was version 26

[09:33:54]

wagnerrp:

and now its version 40

[09:34:21]

justinh:

but you really can't run a trunk backend with a -fixes frontend, and vice-versa

[09:34:22]

wagnerrp:

at least in my current version of 0.21-fixes

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justinh:

plugins have to be the same version of mythfrontend too

[09:35:10]

firestorm:

justinh: ok thanks for details...wanted to upgrade one system (due to gfx driver issues) but not necessarily the other system...doesn't matter – looks like ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 will have the same mythtv major release (0.21)

[09:35:22]

justinh:

in general you _might_ be fine doing that ^^^

[09:35:43]

justinh:

no guarantees

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FisherPrice:

OK, it works now.. I'll try it again and if it borkes again I'll get back to you

[09:37:20]

justinh:

what had you done / not done ?

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FisherPrice:

IT WOrked Thanks Heaps... Now I can fish

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Fony_Vaio:

hihi

[10:06:28]

Fony_Vaio:

anyone solved low signal problems with dvb-t? I changed my tuner thinking that was the problem, but it's still flakey. Now I realise that the RF feed into my flat is split from a single port on a cheap amp downstairs (three floors), which then travels all the way back up to the roof. So it's essentially doing a run of 6 floors using cheap wiring with a cheap amp in the middle, and split into two when it comes into the flat.

[10:07:16]

justinh:

torture your landlord ?

[10:07:20]

Fony_Vaio:

I have no way of altering the wiring to the wall. But if I amplified it some more might it help, or would the signal just distort after all that?

[10:07:36]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, lol, nice idea. :P

[10:07:46]

justinh:

amplifying a bad quality signal (as opposed to just a poor level signal) can make things worse

[10:08:41]

Fony_Vaio:

hm, i see. But then the only other options is to find a way to mount an aerial, which is really difficult.

[10:08:49]

justinh:

people in rented accomodation often have problems with their TV signals & there's FA they can do about it in real terms

[10:09:23]

Fony_Vaio:

is there any way i can tell if the signal is poor quality vs low power?

[10:09:33]

justinh:

you could try a smallish 'outdoor' aerial mounted indoors on a home-made stand.. it'd prolly be better than any shitty indoor aerial you can buy

[10:11:08]

justinh:

form a resident's committee – hell even offer to split the cost of getting it sorted out

[10:11:17]

justinh:

Fony_Vaio: depends

[10:12:15]

Fony_Vaio:

damn, my wife will kill me

[10:12:16]

justinh:

if you're having to amplify the signal just for it to work badly after it comes from the outlet in your flat that's bad news

[10:12:25]

Fony_Vaio:

i have to keep it tidy

[10:12:47]

justinh:

does anybody else in the building have bother getting freeview?

[10:13:46]

justinh:

or, like me when I lived in a flat, do you not even know what your neighbours look like ? :P

[10:15:02]

justinh:

come to think about it, my telly aerial feed didn't work at all in my last place. I ended up making do with a set-top aerial stood on a windowsill

[10:15:13]

justinh:

hmmm and the place before that

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justinh:

ofcom have given the go-ahead for ONE HD mux to take the place of Mux B :(

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Fony_Vaio:

justinh, sorry, had to take a call. I have no idea what the other people in my building do, i barely see anyone :P

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Fony_Vaio:

if i place an antenna in front of a window with LoS to the transmitter, or outside of the window with the same positioning, will it make any difference?

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gpd:

in case anyone cares – new motherboard works great: Gigabyte GA-MA-770-DS3

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justinh:

Fony_Vaio: depends if you have double glazing or not

[11:28:24]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, yes, everything is double glazed

[11:29:19]

firestorm:

My recordings directly seems to default to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ... how can I configure this to be somewhere else?

[11:30:11]

justinh:

firestorm: stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup

[11:31:13]

firestorm:

justinh: can i run mythtv-setup from the frontend host once the backend is stopped, or does mythtv-setup command need to be ran from the exact host that the backend runs on?

[11:31:46]

justinh:

needs to be run on the machine the backend runs on

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at0m|c:

..which i do using ssh and x-forwarding

[11:34:26]

at0m|c:

nothing spectacular graphically and not time dependant, so this works fine on headless backend :)

[11:34:33]

justinh:

and I do using vnc or freenx :)

[11:34:38]

at0m|c:

:)

[11:35:07]

firestorm:

justinh: excellent, storage directly change works a treat

[11:35:34]

** firestorm just did ssh with an x11 forward too :-) **

[11:35:50]

firestorm:

now I have to get my head around mythexport

[11:37:20]

justinh:

course there's a down side to just moving a storage group to another location...

[11:37:29]

justinh:

if you have existing recordings they won't be found

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laga:

you can just add another directory

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RamsesII:

hi

[11:56:26]

** justinh adjusts his irssi config again **

[11:59:22]

RamsesII:

?

[11:59:24]

RamsesII:

y?

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** justinh adjusts his irssi config yet again **

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firestorm:

Anybody know of any good linux-based karaoke software that would go well with a media center?

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justinh:

pykaraoke

[12:03:41]

justinh:

but... that's assuming ANYTHING to do with karaoke can be seen as good & not abhorrent to all that is tasteful

[12:04:33]

firestorm:

justinh: thinking something more around taking a current MP3 song name / album / artist information and then retrieving the lyrics so that a bunch of mates drinking beer can sing the songs being projected ...

[12:04:40]

laga:

SWMBO wants go get singstar for the PS2 :(

[12:04:53]

directhex:

get it for the ps3 instead

[12:05:02]

laga:

directhex: i don't have a ps3

[12:05:06]

justinh:

a group of mates coming round to sing songs? sounds a bit gay

[12:05:18]

directhex:

it looks nicer, can use ps2 discs, you can upload embarassing performance videos youtube style with the camera, and get extra songs from the singstore as & when you want them

[12:05:23]

directhex:

laga, fix it!

[12:05:34]

laga:

haha

[12:05:48]

justinh:

like there's not enough fucking karaoke on the telly

[12:05:56]

laga:

firestorm: check this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4479

[12:07:00]

directhex:

just for justinh: http://singstargame.com/en-gb/Performances/

[12:07:31]

justinh:

I can't wait to get back to my own time

[12:07:35]

justinh:

the austere 1800s

[12:07:42]

laga:

it's monday. yay.

[12:08:00]

firestorm:

justinh: i doubt anyone would come around just to sing songs...would be a fun thing to do while doing other things tho

[12:08:04]

directhex:

http://singstargame.com/en-gb/Browse-Songs-Home/SingStore/ for the list of downloadable tracks

[12:08:20]

directhex:

to enhance your big gay singing sessions further

[12:08:44]

justinh:

you might as well all just sit & watch High School Musical & jack off

[12:09:03]

directhex:

in a group too?

[12:09:24]

laga:

banana phone!

[12:09:35]

justinh:

directhex: of course in a group

[12:09:36]

firestorm:

laga: that links looks interesting ... none of my MP3s have lyrics embedded inside them though

[12:09:59]

directhex:

radio gaga AND show must go on. queentastic

[12:10:12]

directhex:

of couse, there's a separate singstar queen for ps2

[12:10:19]

directhex:

and singstar abba for ps3!

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laga:

i spent two weeks listening to a best of abba compilation

[12:11:30]

laga:

never again

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directhex:

http://singstargame.com/en-gb/Whats-New/SingStar-ABBA-/

[12:12:53]

** justinh blames his bad mood on having to endure Neil Innes 'music' today **

[12:13:38]

justinh:

Bonzo Doo Dah Doggy Doo whatever thingy :(

[12:14:43]

directhex:

man, the same singstar disc contains "Hot Chocolate – You Sexy Thing" and "Paul McCartney And The Frog Chorus – We All Stand Together" – epic!

[12:14:47]

justinh:

yay it's changing. To Bowie :(

[12:15:03]

RamsesII:

hey, I figure you guys should be expert on this or can redirect me to some channel I can ask this, but I am planning on building a HTPC (possibly using MythTV there) but I am quite lost in the opportunities what kind of hardware I would need for that. Can anybody give me some hints?

[12:15:21]

justinh:

RamsesII: you need some kind of PC

[12:15:28]

directhex:

RamsesII, a cpu and ram are recommended

[12:15:42]

justinh:

CPU, some ram, a graphics device. possibly a tv tuner or three

[12:16:04]

justinh:

hard drives are advised too since usb storage won't let you keep much

[12:16:32]

justinh:

1TB store, all USB keys plugged into lots of USB hubs... won't work very well

[12:16:35]

directhex:

a case, for classy folks

[12:16:48]

justinh:

oh yeah it might need some kind of power supply too

[12:17:43]

justinh:

FYI if you don't want the smart ass answer, ask smarter questions based on what expectations and possible uses you have

[12:21:50]

RamsesII:

ehm, sorry for being not clear then

[12:22:33]

justinh:

do you want to record television? HDTV or just standard def. ? etc etc etc

[12:23:19]

justinh:

some people consider that a HTPC has to be a gaming machine too, which virtually rules out using linux

[12:24:06]

RamsesII:

atm I would start using it on watching dvd's, listening internet radio, watch movies from NAS and internet. It needs to be hooked up to analog tv for now but I want it to be ready for digital tv when I switch to that in the near future

[12:24:24]

justinh:

mythtv doesn't do internet radio

[12:24:39]

justinh:

nor does it really do internet video a la youtube

[12:24:43]

RamsesII:

ok

[12:24:44]

RamsesII:

so

[12:24:51]

justinh:

(not yet anyway)

[12:25:03]

justinh:

and YES I know about mythstream but I don't consider that to be suitable for end users

[12:25:04]

RamsesII:

I would do a dualboot with some "normal" linux distro

[12:26:16]

justinh:

that'd be a PITA IMHO

[12:26:24]

RamsesII:

anyways, I am not going to record hours and hours of programs, but I would like to be abled to do so every now and then.

[12:26:31]

justinh:

what if you're booted into the wrong OS when a recording is going to happen?

[12:26:47]

RamsesII:

hmmm

[12:28:03]

justinh:

just stick with windows. mediaportal ftw

[12:28:16]

RamsesII:

eh

[12:29:33]

RamsesII:

I dislike windows? I only use it for my gaming machine, which also dualboots?

[12:29:53]

RamsesII:

anyways

[12:30:07]

RamsesII:

thanks for answering my questions

[12:32:45]

justinh:

ooo. one month to go & it'll be mythtv's fourth anniversary in my house

[12:34:49]

laga:

RamsesII: you could use eskil's shoutcast patches for internet radio.

[12:35:05]

laga:

RamsesII: that'll require manual patching of the source and it was a bit crashy here, but it worked

[12:35:24]

laga:

RamsesII: what kind of internet movies do you want to watch?

[12:35:42]

RamsesII:

stuff a la youtube

[12:35:51]

laga:

that's going to suck on a tv

[12:35:58]

RamsesII:

anyways, before I can do that I need a device

[12:36:05]

RamsesII:

maybe, maybe not

[12:36:32]

laga:

no, it will suck ;)

[12:36:56]

laga:

and there is no plugin to do that.. i think mythbrowser can use the flash plugin, and maybe mythnews, but it's probably not what you want

[12:37:12]

RamsesII:

ehm, I am in the phase of finding hardware. Software like GeeXBox, LinuxMCE, MythTV, or even Windows MCE if nothing else will work is step 2

[12:37:13]

laga:

someone is working on a youtube plugin, but that'll require mythtv 0.22

[12:37:35]

laga:

well, different software has different hardware requirements :)

[12:37:39]

RamsesII:

true

[12:37:48]

firestorm:

laga: why not have mythbrowser just use firefox ...

[12:38:11]

laga:

firestorm: because you can't really use it with a remote

[12:38:48]

firestorm:

cordless keyboard and mouse works for me

[12:43:04]

RamsesII:

anyways, if I were to use mythbuntu I should be abled to watch movies a la youtube right?

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justinh:

hands up who's never pressed info or menu in the 'channel recording priorities' screen then... all that talk about mythfrontend missing out on channel editing featres was mistaken :P

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laga:

i dont think i ever used that screen

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directhex:

you know how on most modern mobile phones, there are 2 context-sensitive buttons whose description in the bottom corners is updated as appropriate?

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justinh:

I've only ever used it when theming

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justinh:

directhex: I hate that

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laga:

you hate everything

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directhex:

justinh, you'd prefer 500 buttons on a phone, for every function?

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directhex:

laga, win!

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justinh:

I hate mobile phones

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justinh:

not as much as users though

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laga:

directhex: heh

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justinh:

phones are for calls & SMS. nothing else

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justinh:

anyway I can see where this is going. wasting screen space on function descriptions

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laga:

some screens already do that

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justinh:

yeah. and they shouldn't

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directhex:

you should just know!

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directhex:

like justinh knew!

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laga:

the distinction between "info" and "menu" is not always clear :(

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justinh:

yeah in 'watch recordings' U is info !

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laga:

U?

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justinh:

well, U is 'programme details' which can be taken as 'info'

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laga:

ah

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justinh:

and I – normally 'info' on other screens does something else

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justinh:

I have a plan to redo that but expect to meet major opposition

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directhex:

not from me. i like words like "consistent" and "intuitive"!

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justinh:

hopefully not 'video sources' kind of opposition but you never know

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laga:

that wasn't opposition

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laga:

it was pointless discussion

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directhex:

i heard that if you go to the effort of coding something, it'll always be used, so it's always worth your time coding things.

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justinh:

directhex: contextual changes of function keys aren't a bad idea but it depends how far you'd want it to go

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justinh:

laga: it's put me off taking ideas to the -dev list for life

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justinh:

anyway, I'll take a pop at rejigging some menus to free up the INFO key for info usage

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justinh:

arghh no. NOT DEPECHE FUCKING MODE

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justinh:

NOP

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at0m|c:

instead of mythtv's Video Manager, is there any application that is more aimed at tagging larger volumes of movies?

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at0m|c:

as for now, that would take me days eh

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at0m|c:

for audio, i love easytag. i do understand mp3 has built-in tags, and myth stores the tags in the db..

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justinh:

there are scripts

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justinh:

and phpmyadmin :P

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at0m|c:

ehehe :)

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jams:

justinh- please watch your language (see your above comment)

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sid3windr:

about DEPECHE FUCKING MODE?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams

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justinh:

sorry jams. the musical accompaniment to today's er.. 'work' is more depressing than usual and AS USUAL somebody is being less than understanding about it

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justinh:

I could do this at my desk actually. no music there :D

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o jams

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sid3windr:

feh ;)

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sid3windr:

sorry jams ;)

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jams:

sid3windr- oh like you didn't know that was going to happen

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

no, you employed the sneak surprise kick attack!

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jams:

justinh- it's really bad when you have to wear headphones to stop others music

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justinh:

I'm really beginning to believe they're doing it just to wind me up now

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justinh:

apparently though it got really bad when the guy knew I wasn't going to be in the building so maybe not

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r3z``:

Besides a homerun device does anyone have any suggestions for dual tuner HD card for myth?

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justinh:

somebody just posted about one on one of the mailing lists

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justinh:

dvico something ot other

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justinh:

s/ot/or

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r3z:

Bleh I haent gotten on the mailing list ;)

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/353877

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r3z:

Ya found it.

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r3z:

;)

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r3z:

I will be using it for OTA. Should that matter?

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justinh:

if it works for cable it should be fine for that

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r3z:

Anyone recommend an indoor HDTV antenna?

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r3z:

For a reasonable price.

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justinh:

I'd never recommend an indoor antenna

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justinh:

not based on my experience of them

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justinh:

unless you can find somewhere that has a nice returns policy ;)

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r3z:

newegg? ;)

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directhex:

i wouldn't recommend in-attic antenna

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r3z:

What antenna would everyone recommend?

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** psipsi has in-attic antenna that works ok and makes wife happy. ChannelMaster with ChannelMaster 7777 preamp. **

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justinh:

what do you do for TV reception while it's making her happy?

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psipsi:

http://www.solidsignal.com/antennas/

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psipsi:

;)

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** justinh wonders if that's where the term 'rabbit ears' come from **

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justinh:

r3z: no good anybody outside your country recommending anything. just a guess ;)

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justinh:

if you could buy something from somewhere local I'd opt to do that, even if it costs slightly more. at least then it's less hassle to take it back if it's no use

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justinh:

and fwiw even the most expensive model shouldn't cost _that_ much

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r3z:

Has anyone used the Winegard SS-3000? It gets good reviews.

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justinh:

ruh? discovery to launch freeview channel?

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gbee:

heh, mentioned that to you three days ago at least

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r3z:

?

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justinh:

must've missed it

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gbee:

could be the first half-way decent addition in a while

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gbee:

remains to see whether the content is any good, but at least it's not another shopping or music channel

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justinh:

prolly wall to wall mythbusters

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justinh:

better than GemsTV+3

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gbee:

DS, which is probably where you read it, report a rumour that they are taking BidUp's slot – which would be great news if true

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justinh:

yeah :D

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kkknull:

hi

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justinh:

bye

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pbj:

Hey there – I got my DVB-S card setup with a Disqec (Sirius,thor) ! After scanning with dvbscan – Should I put the out into 1 file .szap/channels.conf – or should I make 1 for each LNB

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Dibblah:

Or, should you just scan with Myth's scanner.

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justinh:

the last one, the one Dibblah said

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pbj:

Well – the Mythscanner doesn't show anything – but dvbscan does!

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justinh:

yes but – dvbscan uses initial tuning data – the same data you'd have to put into mythtv-setup for it to work

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pbj:

OK – Though I'd be able to import the .szap/channels.conf into the mythtv-setup

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justinh:

you should use the built in scanner whenever possible. that's why it's there, not just 'import a channels.conf file'

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gbee:

channels.conf doesn't contain all the required information – you can import, but why bother when you'll still need to scan and fixup the missing info

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gbee:

the facility to import channels.conf is just a backup for extremely broken providers that mythtv's scanning code can't deal with

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mchou:

gbee: completely disagree

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mchou:

channels.conf and SD with some mysql joins beats native mythtv scanning any day of of the week

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mchou:

gbee: broken or not broken providers

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mchou:

gbee: mythtv scanning is also broken.

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pbj:

Ok – Should just use the internal scanner – getting these informations http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/viasat.html – just don't give anything! unfortunably – back to basic – start over again !

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mchou:

gbee: nowhere as reliable as scan from dvbtools

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mchou:

pbj: read what I just wrote, last 5 lines or so

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gbee:

mchou: it works for the majority of people, but we'll take patches to fix it for the rest ;)

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mchou:

gbee: what makes you think it works for majority of people?

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gbee:

mchou: you are joking right?

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mchou:

gbee: no. do I look like I'm joking?

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gbee:

pbj: use the internal scanner, if it doesn't work then do what mchou says, but you'll probably save yourself some hassle if it works

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gbee:

mchou: yes?

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pbj:

Thanks guys. I'll go back and try again

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mchou:

gbee: yes what?

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gbee:

you looked like you were joking

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** justinh thanks all the developers for fixing all the problems nobody has ever reported **

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mchou:

gbee: scan from dvbtools is 100% reliable. myth internal scan is ~20% reliable

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gbee:

I mean the dozens of "scanning broken" tickets I must have missed

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gbee:

mchou: oh bullshit

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mchou:

gbee: no bullshit

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gbee:

you're projecting your experience

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gbee:

yes bullshit

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gregL:

never had a problem on my end

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mchou:

gbee: lemme ask you. How would an "average" user KNOW myth internal scanner is broken?

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justinh:

gbee: he's projecting something, that's for sure

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mchou:

gbee: average myth user, that is.

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gbee:

he's still joking?

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mchou:

gbee: stop dodging the question.

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** gbee gets the feeling this is a wind up **

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justinh:

this is going to be something about how mythtv doesn't miraculously work out the relationship between SD lineups & channels found by scanning

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justinh:

the same way it won't automagically work out xmltvids for us UK folks

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mchou:

justinh: no, it's purely about myth not being able to get all stations compared to dvbtools

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mchou:

justinh: I already said how you associate xmltvids. mysql join

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mchou:

simple sql statement

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gbee:

mchou: you're making no sense, you are saying that for 80% of people mythtv scanning doesn't work – that is returns an incomplete list or no usable channels – sorry but that's just nonsense

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mchou:

gbee: how the hell is that bullshit?

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directhex:

gbee, nonsense? in my mchou? it's more likely than you think

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mchou:

eithe myth gets a complete list of "channels, serviceids" or it does not

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mchou:

I've already stated scan form dvbtools is 100% reliable

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mchou:

from*

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gbee:

mchou: where's the proof that scanning fails for 80% of users?

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mchou:

every box that people have ever let me ssh to

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jblack:

I do remember something about atsc scanning being broken due to a kernel bug.

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mchou:

and do a dvbscan vs. myth scan

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jblack:

that was a while ago, though

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justinh:

people let the great MC WHO ssh into their boxes?

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mchou:

jblack: It's not a kernel bug (othewise dvbscan wouldnt work either)

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gbee:

mchou: open a ticket

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Dibblah:

... And as has been said a number of times, Myth's scanner does have known issues. It's not a good reason to ignore-it-by-default.

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Dibblah:

(Especially in DVB-c networks, etc)

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gbee:

I don't believe there is an issue of the magnitude you suggest, but go ahead and prove it and we'll fix it

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justinh:

and as has been said a number of times, issues which don't get reported don't get fixed if nobody spots them

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mchou:

gbee: there is nothing to prove.

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Dibblah:

Hard to fix – The provider is demonstrably wrong.

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mchou:

gbee: run myth internal scan and dvbscan. that's all the proof you need

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justinh:

moaning about them in IRC is not reporting them btw

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gbee:

mchou: and what am I supposed to see?

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mchou:

justinh: who do you think is moaning? I know what works and what doesnt

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slack0rman:

tunnel with birght ligh at the end

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mchou:

justinh: if you think that's moaning, you're sadly mistaken

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gbee:

the myth internal scan returns all the channels it should on both DVB-T and DVB-S here, it does the same for every dev that I've spoken to and no-one except you is reporting an issue of this magnitude

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mchou:

gbee: that's cause most "average" mythtv user is clueless

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gbee:

but like I said, if you are genuinely seeing an issue open a ticket with details (logs etc)

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mchou:

and they dont know what they're missing in the scan

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mchou:

hence no reports

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gbee:

but all the above average users, of which there are plenty, just happen to have no problems?

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justinh:

you'd think that there'd be more than one clued up user around though

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mchou:

absense of evidence is not evidence of absense

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** iamlindoro wonders if this is the day that mchou will finally get the permaban **

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** iamlindoro strongly suggests it **

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gbee:

last word on the subject – open a ticket or shut up

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mchou:

yeah, I get a permaban for pointing out something doesnt work in myth

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mchou:

iamlindoro: you part of the Bush administration?

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mchou:

iamlindoro: I suggest you STFU

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** Dibblah gets out the popcorn. **

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slack0rman:

ok kids get out of the sandbox

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justinh:

Oo the HR girl's replacement doesn't use comic sans like her predecessor did :)

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jams:

This discussion isn't going anywhere. Please be civil and move along.

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mchou:

next thing I know iamlindoro is gonna accuse me of being "unpatriotic" :)

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Anduin:

The last time this came up I ran scandvb and the mythtv one, I didn't find secret channels (my TV didn't either) so just comparing is insufficient (though I am willing to believe there could be a bug)

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gbee:

likewise, I'm prepared to accept there is a bug, but I dispute that it affects as many people as stated and the apparent unwillingness to properly report it as a bug just raises a flag for me

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mchou:

gbee: yeah, whatever.

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mchou:

red flag. right. You've come over to the US and tested it out on different HW combos on ATSC and clear qam

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mchou:

different geographies too apparently.

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mchou:

I report what I see, and I've told you exactly how to go about reproducing it

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gbee:

so already we've gone from 80% to users in some places in the US

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mchou:

lol

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gbee:

mchou: 2/3s of the devs live in the US and haven't seen a problem, I really don't see why you won't open a ticket

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gbee:

but I've better things to do than sit here arguing the point with you

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mchou:

so stop arguing

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mchou:

either you believe or you dont. no skin off my back

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justinh:

right. time for the off

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pbj:

Yes – got the signal for the LNB 0 on the switch – But when using the one on port1 – doewsn't seem to find anything

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

gbee: why dont you help pbj out

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pbj:

My mistake – Even when choosing the DVB0 Output2 – the scanner still scan at LNB 0

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Fony_Vaio:

hey hey, which aerial do people think is better: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=97488 or http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=46230 ?

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justinh:

damn. I was going to relate my dad's poor experience of the first aerial to Fony_Vaio

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TheFiller:

Is there another driver than fglrx for HD 4850 cards that allow for hardware acceleration? I had some problems with this driver.

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TheFiller:

I guess the OpenGL menu is causing this problem. I've got a, what the mythtv wiki calls, checkerboard of death whenever I start mythtv.

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Dagmar:

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olejl_:

I have a strange problem which I hope have an easy fix. Everytime I try to change channel up or down it always jumps to channel 1 when I hit enter.

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TheFiller:

Dagmar: everything else works fine, just not mythtv, so I don't see a reason why I should dump my graphic card and buy a new one, since it's only a driver problem

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Dagmar:

Feel free to continue dealing with it then.

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TheFiller:

Dagmar: You're not very helpful

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure someone would have to just not be on the internet at all to have *not* heard about there being problems using ATI under Linux.

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olejl_:

when I eg. hit ch+ the expected channel is shown with the correct EIT info, but when I enter to select it jumps to ch 1. (I can enter my channel number direct and hit enter. Then everything is OK)

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Dagmar:

TheFiller: Don't blame me. I didn't make the card, I didn't make the crappy drivers, and I'm not the one using ATI.

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olejl_:

When I enter ch no manually and hit enter I see this: 2008-10–20 21:47:02.066 TV: CommitQueuedInput() livetv(1) qchannum(304) qchanid(0)

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olejl_:

when ch+ and enter I see this: 2008-10–20 21:35:59.411 TV: CommitQueuedInput() livetv(1) qchannum() qchanid(0)

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wagnerrp:

why are there some many people in here with 4000 cards, but no one with 9000 or 200 cards?

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wagnerrp:

or is it just those with the latter arent complaining about them not working

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Dagmar:

Probably their cards are working

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gbee:

TheFiller: which driver version?

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wagnerrp:

anyone know what s-state in /proc/acpi/wakeup means?

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wagnerrp:

specifically, if it lists S1, does that mean the device cannot wake the machine from S3?

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Dagmar:

I was assuming that if he found the page mentioning the Checkerboard O' Doom he'd know enough to make sure he has a driver as new as the one mentioned on that same page

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Afaik it just lists what states the kernel thinks the motherboard supports

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gbee:

TheFiller: start by grabbing 8.10, then you might need to play with the driver options in the X config

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wagnerrp:

ok, trying to set up a dedicated backend with all the tuner cards sitting in standby

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wagnerrp:

i can boot from lan, but nothing but the power button will bring it out of standby

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TheFiller:

gbee: Which driver options should I include?

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wagnerrp:

driver options for fglrx?

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gbee:

TheFiller: hang on, I'll have to check

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wagnerrp:

well WOL wakes from S1, but not S3, for whatever worth that is

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gbee:

TheFiller: start by trying Option "OpenGLOverlay" " off"

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gbee:

in the device section

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TheFiller:

gbee: thanks

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gbee:

Option "TexturedVideo" "on"

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gbee:

Option "VideoOverlay" "off"

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gbee:

you'll want those two anyway if you haven't got them already

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gbee:

umm, ignore the VideoOverlay one

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gbee:

the option is old and has no effect

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gbee:

if all else fails then use the QT painter for now until the issue is resolved in the driver

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** gbee remembers he has yet to backport the shadow alpha fix to -fixes **

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TheFiller:

gbee: QT painter? sorry, I'm quite new to Linux.

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gbee:

TheFiller: Mythtv can render using QT or OpenGL, you can start mythfrontend with -O ThemePainter=qt

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gbee:

or to permanently change the painter, look under the Appearance settings

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TheFiller:

OK Thanks

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Does mythtv support a master backend without any tuner cards? I want to be able to put the machine by my tv to sleep and use wake-on-lan to wake it up but my database and file server (ideally also my mbe) doesn't (and won't) have any tuner cards.

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jams:

baxter_kylie- it will work, but I have heard of odd things happening when using a SBE with tuner cards

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baxter_kylie:

jams: Thanks. Any particular horror stories I should keep my eyes open for?

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jams:

i think it was mostly failed recordings, but don't remember for sure.

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TheFiller:

How can I force Mythtv frontend to start with a different resolution (not full screen) from command line?

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TheFiller:

never mind, found it

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TheFiller:

gbee: when I set a resolution different than the max resolution, the checkerboard of death goes away... How ever, when I press 'Watch TV', nothing happens, although it works with other TV programs

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mkrufky:

fryfrog: ping?

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TheFiller:

gbee: Do you have any idea why nothing happens when I press 'Watch TV'?

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iamlindoro:

Because you haven't set up your cards properly.

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iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

Your backend log will contain error messages pertaining to this.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Is there some pre-templated way I've not noticed in MediaWiki for putting clickmaps into an image?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Hmm, I'm no pro, so I just don't know TBH

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking it's time to start working on something like that Executive Overview page, but for troubleshooting

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Dagmar:

Well, I could do it with a regular clickmap--I was just hoping there was some precedent already codified for that

[19:44:43]

iamlindoro:

yeah, don't know of one

[19:46:34]

Dagmar:

If SVG support were just a little more robust this would be trivial since you can make arbitrary polys act as hypterlinks

[19:46:50]

RyeBrye:

There is a mediawiki extension that can convert standard imagemaps into inline ones: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMapConversion

[19:47:31]

RyeBrye:

( useage guide is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap )

[19:47:55]

RyeBrye:

But that'll require you to bug whoever is the admin of the wiki to install the extension for you

[19:48:40]

Dagmar:

Well, I won't have to go that route and this looks like something more complex

[19:49:04]

RyeBrye:

more complex automatically = good! ;)

[19:49:35]

Dagmar:

heh

[19:50:02]

Dagmar:

Well, I mean, I've said before i've been on the internet longer than video pornography, and I learned about how to make imagemaps when it went into the spec

[19:50:26]

Dagmar:

So you say the ImageMap extention isn't installed on wiki.myhttv then?

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RyeBrye:

I don't know

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Dagmar:

Well, it's altogether possible it isn't.

[19:51:47]

Dagmar:

I know that I've put SVG images into WP before, but had MythTV's setup reject that image type

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RyeBrye:

my guess would be that it isn't

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Dagmar:

I am such a bastard

[19:52:06]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, Wikipedia runs with some extra extensions installed

[19:52:08]

Dagmar:

I'm supposed to test this remote power module I was just handed.

[19:52:21]

Dagmar:

So... I'm connecting my coworkers workstation to it.

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RyeBrye:

:)

[19:52:38]

Dagmar:

I'll give him a call tomorrow and see how he likes it when his monitor powers off.

[19:53:50]

RyeBrye:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version the list of Wikipedia's installed extensions

[19:54:06]

RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Version the list of MythTV"s wiki installed extensions

[19:54:10]

RyeBrye:

(which seems empty)

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Dagmar:

Okay, so I'll just have to hand-craft the HTML... no big problem.

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clev:

2008-10–20 17:07:04.338 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 60000 msec

[20:34:07]

clev:

this error is getting anoying

[20:34:16]

clev:

the problem is that playback didnt give up, and its still playing

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clev:

and ive now lost control of the frontend

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iamlindoro:

We're doomed, clever's mass of computing junk has achieved sentience

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clev:

the problem is clear as day in the code

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clev:

it doesnt try to stop the playback after it times out

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iamlindoro:

So... fix it?

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clev:

i dont know the right way to abort the playback

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clev:

im starting to learn some qt but i dont know about the internal layout of mythtv

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pbj:

Isn't it possible to have a Hauppauge PVR-500 and Hauppauge HVR-4000 in the same backend – Caurse mine cards change places after each reboot

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iamlindoro:

google udev rules

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justinh:

I looked at udev rules once

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justinh:

decided to go with module blacklisting instead

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Dagmar:

I don't really blame you

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Dagmar:

They're kinda a bitch to get one's head around

[21:39:24]

justinh:

still can't help wondering why existing udev rules don't differentiate more by default

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justinh:

rather than being so blimmin generic all the time

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Dagmar:

I suspect because they're expecing module authors to make their modules a bit less "greedy"

[21:40:17]

justinh:

ah the autodetection – is that why you're at the mercy of the enumeration order?

[21:40:22]

Dagmar:

Like, visor.ko grabs just about *all* PalmOS handhelds over USB, even though just about everyone knows that that module doesn't work for *shit* on anything newer than a Zire21 because Palm deviated from their own spec.

[21:41:02]

justinh:

wonder if any mythtv based distros do anything any differently

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AndyCap:

udev is for wusses, now hal policies on the other hand. :-P

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Dagmar:

YOu mean dbus policies

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justinh:

pfft. you mean hal is harder to understand than udev? yay for whoever did that then :-\

[21:42:02]

AndyCap:

oh god, oh yeah, that too

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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Dagmar:

justinh: Hal's stuff is thankfully just about opaque because most of hte "magic" is supposed to happen in dbus-space

[21:42:16]

iamlindoro:

I like udev

[21:42:31]

Dagmar:

Hal basically isn't meant to make any value judgements.

[21:42:46]

Dagmar:

It's suppopsed to tell dbus/udev about stuff and let *those* things make value judgements.

[21:43:10]

justinh:

I wish somebody would make a decision about sane device naming already

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justinh:

I don't care if it's standards compliant or whatever, I'd just prefer human readable & logical

[21:43:42]

justinh:

not just this "/dev/firstthingdetected"

[21:43:50]

Dagmar:

I think there's still a lot of churn there

[21:44:02]

Dagmar:

Oh the /dev nodes are supposed to go away

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, though I am loathe to mention it, most v4l devices take video_nr=somenumber

[21:44:24]

iamlindoro:

Which doesn't fix everything, but works great for most tuners

[21:44:30]

Dagmar:

If you've got a PalmOS PDA and you're using libusb: to connect to it, you're doing the "new" thing

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iamlindoro:

(as a modprobe option, that is)

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: hal policy makes the value judgements as far as I've seen, dbus is the messenger, and udev, maintains /dev and blabbers about events to hal.

[21:44:47]

justinh:

yeah but ...

[21:44:48]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or at least make the device persist... IE: the first time it's detected, lock it to /dev/video0 for instance... and keep it there until it's removed from the system...

[21:45:00]

justinh:

that'd help

[21:45:07]

AndyCap:

but, the big problem is that all the documentation is anecdotal.

[21:45:21]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Agreed

[21:45:27]

justinh:

so we're at the mercy of the gods then. the gods being whoever decides

[21:45:39]

AndyCap:

the "writing udev rules" documents is handy. but one for hal and dbus and friends would be good

[21:45:40]

Dagmar:

Udev docs consist of one page of HTML and digging through the source

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justinh:

god forbid anything get too user friendly eh

[21:46:02]

Dagmar:

Well, "the gods" being whoever figures out how to code the next part of it

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justinh:

I suppose in an ideal world we'd never have to worry about device names & everything would be automagical

[21:46:35]

AndyCap:

whoever wasn't too drunk at the plumber conference. :P

[21:46:58]

Dagmar:

jstinh: That's basically the idea, yeah

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justinh:

are pci slot addresses still fixed or am I behind the times

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kormoc:

pci, pci-x, pci-e are all still fixed

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justinh:

I did once have to use a pci bus analyser but I've forgotten most of the pci theory. I remember the address & data lines are muxed though. ugh

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Dagmar:

Don't worry

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Dagmar:

It doesn't matter that they're fixed anymore because all the motherboard manufacturers have mastered the art of ACPI misrouting.

[21:56:48]

Eightace:

Anyone able to recommend a DVB-T DVB-S card that works out of the box reliably?

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Dagmar:

lol

[21:58:06]

Eightace:

?

[21:58:31]

Dagmar:

Start by finding out what provider you want to tune in

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Eightace:

UK freesat :)

[21:59:03]

Dagmar:

*That* will dictate which of the two you use

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Dagmar:

So, DVB-S then.

[21:59:47]

Eightace:

I meant a card with both tuners like the HVR. 4000

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TheFiller:

How do I change the interlacer for mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't have an interlacer.

[22:01:18]

iamlindoro:

It has some nice deinterlacers, though.

[22:01:35]

Eightace:

So a DVB-S DVB-T dual tuner card that works out the box :)

[22:01:57]

Dagmar:

Eightace: Why don't you ask for world peace and a matched set of nymphomanical supermodels

[22:03:24]

Eightace:

I would like world peace but need mythtv to watch the coverage

[22:03:29]

Dagmar:

TheFiller: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters

[22:03:55]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Those don't exist any more

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Dagmar:

...but it boils down to digging through the frontend setup menus until you find where to set it

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jduggan:

Eightace: i'm not sure there is one

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jduggan:

:\

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Dagmar:

...and that's something every man has to solve for himself.

[22:04:29]

Dagmar:

Far as I know there's not one that works for both

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iamlindoro:

TheFiller wants http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

[22:04:48]

Eightace:

Ok

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TheFiller:

Thanks

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Eightace:

Will look at linuxtv site .....

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justinh:

wish I could figure out what people find so attractive about hybrid tuners

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justinh:

oh, I could use dvb-s or dvb-t, not both at the same time. meh

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Dagmar:

justinh: It gives them a wider selection of satellite providers to steal from.

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

there aint no stealins from freesat

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RyeBrye:

is the DCT6200 a decent STB?

[22:22:53]

RyeBrye:

I know features probably depend upon the carrier / 5c status – but assuming it's on a good carrier is the box itself ok?

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GreyFoxx:

my dct6200 works great

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RyeBrye:

My cable company told me this morning that they had no 1394 boxes available... but when I wrote them back and said "are you sure?" and quoted the FCC spec – they got back to me with the "oh, sorry – yes, we do have 2" – they have a DCT6200 and a DVR version that is the DCH7416

[22:24:38]

RyeBrye:

errr DCH6416 that is

[22:24:44]

RyeBrye:

I don't think I care about any of the DVR features

[22:25:50]

RyeBrye:

The 6200 box is only $8 a month from my cable company, so that seems pretty decent

[22:26:15]

HaSH:

RyeBrye, what provider?

[22:26:32]

RyeBrye:

A small mucipal-based one – http://sfcn.org

[22:26:48]

HaSH:

RyeBrye, my provider did the same thing. they said they do not have and will not support firewire...i did the same thing and was told to go into a service center

[22:26:56]

HaSH:

ah im on comcast

[22:27:11]

HaSH:

just goto the pickup center and inspect it

[22:27:14]

HaSH:

make sure it has it

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I hope I don't have to contact them again and say "um. about that 'functioning' part of the mandate..." ;)

[22:27:52]

HaSH:

hey yea. its total hit or miss.

[22:28:31]

HaSH:

mine seems to be limited to no premium channels(hbo,showtime...) and the firewire only works during certain times of day

[22:29:12]

RyeBrye:

because of 5c or just because it gets flaky?

[22:29:22]

HaSH:

from like 730 to 11:30pm it doesnt work....then it turns back on untill like 3am......then its back off till 5 am

[22:29:43]

HaSH:

im assuming 5c because when it doesnt work it wont get "lock" on the channel

[22:30:02]

HaSH:

it still switches channels on the box..just not able to "lock" in and get pic/sound

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GreyFoxx:

it's too bad it's so hit or miss

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HaSH:

but when it is working..it works well.

[22:30:45]

HaSH:

yea it really is

[22:30:54]

HaSH:

im thinking of asking for a hd pvr for xmas

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GreyFoxx:

It's a good way around not being able to decrypt it and lets them still keep control

[22:31:02]

HaSH:

only real way to have reliable hd

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GreyFoxx:

I love my provider for leaving mine totally open

[22:31:16]

HaSH:

:-o

[22:31:22]

HaSH:

consider yourself lucky

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GreyFoxx:

if I had to deal with the crap you americans do I;d be all over an hdpvr

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HaSH:

you get premium channels to GreyFoxx ?

[22:31:47]

HaSH:

like hbo and stuff

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GreyFoxx:

every single channel I subscribe to

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HaSH:

damn

[22:32:03]

GreyFoxx:

including moving channels and so on

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HaSH:

good stuff

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GreyFoxx:

err movie channels, hdtv movie channels, discovery etc etc

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RyeBrye:

HDPVR + firewire for the channel changing would seem like a good combo

[22:32:37]

HaSH:

yea it does

[22:32:52]

RyeBrye:

a lot less hackish than using an IR blaster at least

[22:32:53]

HaSH:

i just hope by xmas hd pvr support it better

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RyeBrye:

yeah, so it doesn't crash randomly?

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RyeBrye:

:)

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HaSH:

i have my ir blaster working good now..but the firewire changing is quicker

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HaSH:

RyeBrye, from what ive hear the pd pvr support is still very alpha'ish

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HaSH:

*heard

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RyeBrye:

yeah. I'm sure they're working on it

[22:33:48]

HaSH:

indeed

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RyeBrye:

Although HDHR multiplex recording would also be nice

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HaSH:

yea. but thats different though isnt it?

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HaSH:

like it will only get decrypted hd stuff

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RyeBrye:

different device- but I haev an HD HomeRun already

[22:34:38]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's not the same kind of thing

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HaSH:

right

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RyeBrye:

it only gets ATSC or clear QAM

[22:34:45]

HaSH:

ah yea

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HaSH:

thats it

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HaSH:

whereas the hd pvr will get anything u subscribe too

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RyeBrye:

well... so long as the content providers continue to enable component out

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GreyFoxx:

there are ways around that

[22:35:34]

RyeBrye:

Right- the HDFury would be a suitable middle man

[22:35:35]

GreyFoxx:

convertors to convert dvi/hdmi to component

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HaSH:

hmm

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RyeBrye:

It's nuts how much of a PITA content providers make it for those of us who want to do things legally

[22:36:05]

HaSH:

why would they disable component out

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

[22:36:10]

RyeBrye:

Because they are prick bastards

[22:36:14]

HaSH:

isnt that a popular way to hook it up?

[22:36:21]

GreyFoxx:

hash cause they wanna force you to buy their gear

[22:36:29]

GreyFoxx:

hash more and more are dvi and hdmi only

[22:36:34]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, but BluRay has some stuff in the spec to force only crapy output if HDCP isn't used

[22:36:34]

HaSH:

hmm

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HaSH:

damn

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GreyFoxx:

rye: hdfury works for that

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HaSH:

seriously f the man in a

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RyeBrye:

Yes – it does... but at that point it's like... those sat hackers are just laughing at those of us doing things legally

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HaSH:

i already find it stupid to have a stb -> hd prv -> computer

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HaSH:

yea...but i hear doing that is not a good reliable source for tv...its nice a "extra" but not for the sole source of tv

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RyeBrye:

That might be true

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HaSH:

im gonna be so pissed if i get hd pvr and then boom...comcast disables the component out...it really would be just my luck

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RyeBrye:

I think it will be a while

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moreati:

I can't find the option to disable deinterlacing, the wiki says Mythfrontend->Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback but none of the pages under that item look like the screenshot. Any pointers?

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RyeBrye:

are you on 0.21-fixes?

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RyeBrye:

it's under the playback profile, I think

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iamlindoro_:

Third page, edit each rule, second page of each

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RyeBrye:

or – iamlindoro_ has memorized the entire menu system it seems :)

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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directhex:

he has a map printed out

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RyeBrye:

That would explain things

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iamlindoro_:

Or that question gets asked a million times a day

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iamlindoro_:

No map required :)

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moreati:

thank you, found it. I'll update the wiki page accordingly

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RyeBrye:

What's the most STB's someone's heard of connecting via firewireto myth?

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RyeBrye:

someone must have connected an insane number at some point – just to prove a point or something

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GreyFoxx:

I know a guy who daisy chains 4 of them

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GreyFoxx:

beyond that I dunno

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moreati:

ah, that's more like it

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RyeBrye:

Can you buy them outright or do you generally have to just pay $ each month for them from the cable company?

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iamlindoro_:

In the US, you need to rent them

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GreyFoxx:

locally some people have bought them, but by far most rent them

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iamlindoro_:

Not familiar with anyone in the USA that allows you to bring your own. Other places (like Canada) allow for you to own

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GreyFoxx:

my dad owns his

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Your dad is in .ca too, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

same cable co

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anna:

i have two shots scheduled tonight at the same time. 1 has normal priority the other has 20. it's saying to record the pr 20 recording later

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anna:

i tried lowering the normal to negatives but same thing

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anna:

why does myth want to record the -1 show over the -20 when they both air later in the week?

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anna:

meant +20

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anna:

and how can i prevent this?

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fryfrog:

anna: it always trys to resolve conflicts in the most "records everything" sort of way

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fryfrog:

so if your low priority show has only that *one* showing and the higher priority one has multiple showings.

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anna:

i thought that, that's why i checked if they both repeat

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fryfrog:

it will record the high priority one later

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fryfrog:

they don't?

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anna:

they both have multiple

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fryfrog:

humm

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fryfrog:

that is odd

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fryfrog:

then i'm stumped :p

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anna:

this would be a good use of the lower by 1. cause why even have negatives?

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anna:

for a user to kind of to influence the record later decisions

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anna:

cause one show i don't really care for, if it records it's a bonus. the other show I really want to watch. everyweek i have to intervene and make myth record it

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kormoc:

you could disable the 'reschedule higher priority recordings' option

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anna:

is that in setup? didn't see that in the front end

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kormoc:

I believe it's in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

NOte that if you told it "Record this show at this time" it's going to easily override something that it thinks is showing again later that you told "record one of these a week"

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kormoc:

one thing that influences the recording is if the -20 recording later would block another recording that the -1 later wouldn't block

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anna:

i see what your saying...

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kormoc:

but yeah, that option I mentioned will always prefer priority over raw number, which sounds more what you expect

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anna:

ya that sounds like what i want

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anna:

but wouldn't it be 'reschedule lower priority recordings' and leave higher ones be?

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kormoc:

Hrm?

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anna:

the option is called reschedule higher priority recordings right?

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kormoc:

I believe so, aye

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anna:

well i don't really want to reschedule the higher pr. i want the lower pr rescheduled no?

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

the option is likely defaulted to on I believe

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kormoc:

which is why you'd want to disable it

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anna:

i see

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kormoc:

anna, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scheduli . . . r_Priorities

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anna:

yep that sounds like it'll do the trick thx

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kormoc:

np

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