Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 18th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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dustybin:

good artworking + nice user interface engine = time for some good looking themes

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JackEStorm:

I just wish that the Skin producers would keep in mind that OVER SCAN IS REALLY COMMON

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iamlindoro:

Too bad they're not called skins in Myth

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JackEStorm:

yeah well you know what I mean

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iamlindoro:

and that the theme development guide spends quite a bit of time addressing being overscan safe

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JackEStorm:

I have yet to see one that is

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justinh:

JackEStorm: WE DO

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justinh:

I always assumed a very reasonable 5%

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iamlindoro:

Any television that overscans more than 5% is broken

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justinh:

dustybin: does mythtv need a theme wot looks like it was drawn by my left foot?

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FisherPrice:

Hi

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dustybin:

:P

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FisherPrice:

i need help with a wintv Hauppauge Nova Dual DVB-T card, anyone want to try and help me

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dustybin:

aye go for it

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justinh:

god help you

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FisherPrice:

lol

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, I will take back every mean thing I have ever said about you if you can come up with a *mockup* that the majority of people think looks awesome

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iamlindoro:

ps, FisherPrice, you don't want *his* help

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FisherPrice:

Im in the section for adding capture cards and it no matter what I put it doesn't seem to detect it

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FisherPrice:

lol

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justinh:

it won't detect it

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't detect anything

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JackEStorm:

iamlindoro: 5% of it's x and y or 5% of it's dpi?

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FisherPrice:

it's a WinTV- NOVA-T-500 MCE DVB-T

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FisherPrice:

oh

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justinh:

first off, have you tested the card in linux outside mythtv?

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FisherPrice:

no

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justinh:

JackEStorm: 5% off X & Y

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FisherPrice:

i don't have anything really Too test it in

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iamlindoro:

^^^

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justinh:

FisherPrice: look in /dev/dvb

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FisherPrice:

what am i looking for?

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justinh:

you should have adapter0 & adapter1

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FisherPrice:

kk

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justinh:

if they're not there, you need to do some stuff

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FisherPrice:

yup

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FisherPrice:

they

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FisherPrice:

are there

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justinh:

mkay

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justinh:

so, is the user you're running mythtv-setup as a member of the 'video' group?

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FisherPrice:

first of all, do i need the antenna hooked up?

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FisherPrice:

hrm

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FisherPrice:

i dunno, it should be.. i'm installing Mythbuntu

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justinh:

JackEStorm: so don't come in all muhhhh theme developers don't care about overscan. at least one does & one other I know of too

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justinh:

some people have said on their own websites they don't care about overscan but they're silly

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FisherPrice:

I'll boot into it from the HDD

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justinh:

even HDTVs overscan :P

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FisherPrice:

I was still in the install section

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JackEStorm:

justinh: I just find it easy to to see the buttons on the bottom on the screen (setup is the worse one of all)

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justinh:

JackEStorm: anyway, with the screen settings wizard, overscan matters less since you can resize the gui to fit the screen exactly :)

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justinh:

JackEStorm: yeah but themers have ZERO control over the setup screens

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justinh:

they're all hard-coded

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JackEStorm:

I've had some issues with the screens when I'm at 1920x2160@60 1280x720 is fine, but even 1280x1440 is off (not as much)

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JackEStorm:

(and yes those numbers are correct)

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FisherPrice:

It might be working.. it was stuck i think at the install section

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jduggan:

steven fry in america is a good watch

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dustybin:

yep i been recording those

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dustybin:

there seems to be a lack of those space shows with patrick moore

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Gimpy:

hi all, anyone in here using arch? I am trying to get my haupauge 150 to work. it is seen when i do ls /dev/v4l/vidto0 but when i got to setup the card the device cant be seen

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justinh:

the sky at night? you miss that?

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dustybin:

yes!

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dustybin:

i dont upgrade my server anymore for the sake of it, things are much more stable now

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dustybin:

next time ill upgrade is when lenny gets released

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justinh:

11 october was the last one shown

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dustybin:

justinh: when was the last time you did a apt-get upgrade

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justinh:

I don't

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justinh:

haha family guy with tivo episode

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flaccid_:

i want to install mythtv on kubuntu 8.04. which guide should i follow because the ubuntu is bad

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flaccid_:

i mean the ubuntu wiki is not suffice

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flaccid_:

so who is actually alive that can help?

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flaccid_:

i changed both /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and in the frontend but backend still using a dif user/pass for mysql, but from where?

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clev:

'locate mysql.txt'

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dustybin:

clev: hi, what have you been up to lately?

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clev:

writing a irc bot in Qt

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dustybin:

ace

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clev:

getting some good practice with signals and slots

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flaccid_:

is this channel usually this dead or is it a bad time?

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Gumby:

Hi all. I am trying to use the mythrename perl script to create links for my recordings but I get the following error when trying to do so. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'starttime' cannot be null at /usr/share/perl5/MythTV/Recording.pm line 69." Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Gumby:

flaccid_: try ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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flaccid_:

Gumby, backend db is stored in a user config ?

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Gumby:

flaccid_: depends on whats not working

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flaccid_:

i simply want to change the user pass that the backend uses

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flaccid_:

for mysql

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Gumby:

by backend to you mean the mysql server?

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flaccid_:

mythtv backend

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Gumby:

so you want to change the password that mythbackend uses to connect to mysql

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flaccid_:

correct. this does not seem to be in the manual..

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Gumby:

which distro do you use?

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flaccid_:

this is kubuntu hardy 8.04

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Gumby:

try sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common

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flaccid_:

have done that but i still get access denied with the wrong user in the backend log

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Gumby:

have you tried connecting to mysql with that user manually?

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Gumby:

mysql -uUSER_NAME -pPASSWORD (ie: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv)

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flaccid_:

the user is fine, so in the log it tries to use the wrong user

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Gumby:

if you have edited the username/pass that you wish to connect to mysql with have you also updated that user in mysql itself?

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flaccid_:

the backend is not using the user/pass configured with mythv-common..

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Gumby:

have you confirmed that the user/pass you are trying to use works?

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flaccid_:

like i said, the user in question is fine, it is uses user mythtv in the backend log which is not what i specified

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flaccid_:

yes yes yes

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Gumby:

so you have logged into mysql as that user/pass ?

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flaccid_:

yes

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Gumby:

and were able to look at the mythconverg db?

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flaccid_:

sure

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Gumby:

what was the response?

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flaccid_:

this is why im asking which config file this directive is stored in

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fryfrog:

mysql.txt

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flaccid_:

response to what. i can describe mythtv; fine

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fryfrog:

usually found in the /home/.mythtv/

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flaccid_:

fryfrog, that has been updated as well

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Gumby:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Gumby:

make sure you are adjusting the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt of the user that the backend is running as

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flaccid_:

both are set to the user i want

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Gumby:

how are you starting mythtv?

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ultra-:

hi

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Gumby:

or rather mythbackend

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Led-Hed:

ok, I got a second HD Tunner (2x SA3250HD). Channel changes only work on the first STB

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flaccid_:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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ultra-:

does mythtv offer control of external cable/sat boxes like lmce does?

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Gumby:

and which users mysql.txt did you edit. Give me the complete path

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Led-Hed:

anyone know if there is an external Channel Change for the SA3250 that can handle multiple boxes?

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flaccid_:

i edited the ones you said Gumby. the /etc/ one was updated by the dpkg-reconfigure script also

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Gumby:

and which users mysql.txt did you edit. Give me the complete path

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Led-Hed:

ultra-, yes via IR Blaster, and Firewire

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flaccid_:

so /home/flaccid/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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ultra-:

ir blaster AND firewire or ir blaster OR firewire?

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Gumby:

flaccid_: and is mythbackend running as user "flaccid"?

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flaccid_:

but i don't see how the backend which is run in daemon mode under root would use that file

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flaccid_:

no its root daemon as per init.d

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flaccid_:

im thinking maybe one of those whent under /root/.mythtv

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clev:

then it might be using a /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Gumby:

mythtv runs as user mythtv generally

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Gumby:

thats the ubunte default

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clev:

i make shure to only ever run my mythtv progs under the 'mythtv' username

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Gumby:

so like I said way back. maybe sure you edit the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt of the user running mythbackend

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Gumby:

maybe/make

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flaccid_:

nope /root/.mythtv doesn't exit

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clev:

sudo locate mysql.txt

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Gumby:

sudo cp /home/flaccid/.mythtv/mysql.txt /home/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Gumby:

oops

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ultra-:

i want to be able to control my satellite receiver using mythtv, but not have any kind of overlay and have my native 1080i resolution... possible?

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Gumby:

sudo cp /home/flaccid/.mythtv/mysql.txt /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clev:

Gumby: symlinks are better

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flaccid_:

Gumby, /home/.mythtv/mysql.txt exists and is the same as all the others with the correct user/pass but it is not used

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clev:

then when you change one, they all change

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Gumby:

clev: yes true

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flaccid_:

seems like a major bug to me

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Gumby:

flaccid_: its user error

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flaccid_:

how so?

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clev:

or delete all but the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt one which is checked by all users

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flaccid_:

i don't see what i have done wrong at all

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Gumby:

because you seem to be one of the only people having issues

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flaccid_:

that doesn't mean much Gumby

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Gumby:

how is it a major bug if it only applies to you?

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clev:

yeah, justinh trys that on me every day, and ive seen 2 of those problems on the -users mailing list since then

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flaccid_:

well at this stage i have checked all config files that exist, so how is it my fault

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clev:

'its all your fault, we wont fix it'

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** Gumby thought that mysql.txt was outdated and config.xml was used now anyhow **

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flaccid_:

it would help if your wiki was updated with install procedure etc.

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clev:

Gumby: yeah, lets run a search for that also, sudo locate config.xml

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Gumby:

flaccid_: check for config.xml in your .mythtv dir (and in the mythtv users dir)

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Gumby:

flaccid_: its not my wiki. I'm just a user like most in here

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clev:

Gumby: but anybody can edit the wiki :P

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Gumby:

flaccid_: your attitude really isnt helping either. When you ask for help, and the people helping you ask you to do something and give a result then you should do that.

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flaccid_:

Gumby, i did everything you said and you still claim its a user error

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Gumby:

ok, let me ask this question. How did you update the mythtv mysql users password?

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flaccid_:

the only config.xml that exists also has the correct user/pass

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flaccid_:

update?

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Gumby:

flaccid_: and where does that config.xml exist?

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clev:

check the logs

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flaccid_:

in /home/flaccid/.mythtv

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** Gumby sighs **

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flaccid_:

clev, i have. the logs say access denied from mysql using a username that is not in any of these config files..

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fryfrog:

is it possible you are doing mysql on localhost and myth is coming from an ip and your user isn't allowed?

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clev:

flaccid_: right at the top of the logs, it should say which config its using

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flaccid_:

fryfrog, no. it is using the wrong username.

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fryfrog:

ah

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Gumby:

fryfrog: also try. which is why I was trying to get him to do it from the command line but he doesnt seem to want to

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Gumby:

flaccid_: what username is it using?

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flaccid_:

mytthv

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flaccid_:

mythtv

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Gumby:

flaccid_: mysql and mythtv are on the same box?

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flaccid_:

im going to check that the process is actually being killed with init.d with the restart

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Gumby:

flaccid_: and what username are you wanting it to use?

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flaccid_:

Gumby, yep

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flaccid_:

Gumby, thats irrelevant

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Gumby:

notreally

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Gumby:

its different than mythtv though?

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Gumby:

or its NOT mythtv

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** Gumby shrugs **

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flaccid_:

ok sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart fails to kill existing process and returns "No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running: none killed. although a process did exist

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Gumby:

it fails to kill it because there is no mythbackend running

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flaccid_:

i just didn't notice it

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Gumby:

it cant kill what doesnt exist

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flaccid_:

a process /usr/bin/mythbackend did exist

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flaccid_:

and was running and outputting to the log

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Gumby:

kill it

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flaccid_:

i did and it works fine now

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Gumby:

so you must have started mythbackend manually at some point

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flaccid_:

so yes its a bug in the init.d script in hardy as a process did exist

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flaccid_:

Gumby, no i never did

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Gumby:

there is no bug in hardy regarding the init script, at least not on 4 hardy boxes I am running right now

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flaccid_:

i just reported one

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flaccid_:

to you

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

do me a favour. type history |grep myth and paste it to pastebin

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flaccid_:

weird but it still says 'could not connect to the master backend'

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** Gumby doesnt believe you **

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flaccid_:

im not a moron, its not in history and im running about 5 different terminal emulators

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flaccid_:

i just tried to stop it after starting it, i get the same error

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Gumby:

whats the output of mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg Substitute your database username/pass for -u and -p

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clev:

dont forget -h

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Gumby:

I want to start without it

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Gumby:

lol

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clev:

-h123.456.789.123(but with the ip from the config)

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clev:

Gumby: mysql will use the unix socket by default, but mythtv cant use that

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clev:

and the unix socket and 127 act differently for permisions

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flaccid_:

Gumby, what are you trying to achieve?\

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Gumby:

clev: I just want to verify the username/pass works. He might also not have setup mysql to use tcp

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flaccid_:

the database and tables exist

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flaccid_:

yes for the 8th time, it works.

[02:48:04]

Gumby:

I'd have to look and see if ubuntu still has tcp off by default

[02:48:06]

clev:

Gumby: which is what -h will test, if he does -h127.0.0.1 and it fails, then tcp is blocked

[02:48:22]

Gumby:

flaccid_: I'm quite sure the db exists

[02:48:23]

clev:

Gumby: i beleive ubuntu defaults the tcp to 127 only

[02:48:28]

wagnerrp:

ugh... theyre making another Saw

[02:48:40]

Gumby:

flaccid_: what I am unsure of is whether you can connect to it or not

[02:48:57]

Gumby:

flaccid_: you've done nothing to show you can (or cant)

[02:48:59]

flaccid_:

im actually a competent sysadmin. this was one of the first things i checked.

[02:49:06]

flaccid_:

i told you i can

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flaccid_:

and i tested it

[02:49:29]

Gumby:

you've also told me its a major bug... a bug that most dont seem to have as long as they've configured things properly

[02:49:46]

Gumby:

suite yourself

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flaccid_:

yes and after some more testing i will submit a but report

[02:49:47]

Gumby:

suit

[02:50:24]

flaccid_:

intermittant bugs can be producable by limited users, this is normal in testing

[02:50:49]

flaccid_:

bugs can depend on many variables to which are different between test users

[02:50:54]

Gumby:

flaccid_: grep USER /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

[02:51:25]

Gumby:

better yet grep "USER=" /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

[02:51:36]

flaccid_:

well that would be the same as what is in the package, i have not modified the init script

[02:51:51]

Gumby:

make sure config.xml and mysql.txt are in that users ~/.mythtv/

[02:51:51]

flaccid_:

the user is mythtv

[02:51:56]

clev:

or egrep "^USER=[a-z]*$" /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend!

[02:52:06]

clev:

(mine might be a bit overkill)

[02:52:07]

flaccid_:

Gumby, i already identified the problem, i don't need anymore help

[02:52:29]

flaccid_:

i do appreciate your time however

[02:52:30]

Gumby:

clev: especially with that ! at the end :P

[02:52:49]

daddysmurf:

how do I seduce myth into reading my movies? it tells me all my vid files are runtime 0 minutes and refuses to play anything

[02:53:21]

Gumby:

daddysmurf: just two guesses, but it might be a codec or permissing issue

[02:53:48]

daddysmurf:

Gumby: I'm sure it's codec, but I'm trying to figure out how to get all the codecs loaded

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flaccid_:

Gumby, and one last fyi. the process that the init script claimed doesn't exist was run under the mythtv user as it was started by init.d script, so i will definately be testing this further

[02:54:25]

Gumby:

daddysmurf: you've verified that its not a permission issue? the files are owned by user:group which runs mythbackend ?

[02:54:57]

daddysmurf:

Gumby: they're all 777 permissions, should they be owned by the myth user?

[02:55:44]

Gumby:

flaccid_: you should have checked to see if it had a pid @ /var/run/mythtv/ that'd have been a good indication

[02:56:33]

flaccid_:

yeah testing now

[02:56:42]

flaccid_:

it happens some times, its intermittant

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Gumby:

flaccid_: if you want to test if the proper settings files are being used just run mythbackend as the user that you have set as the USER= in the init script

[02:56:59]

Gumby:

that'll tell you pretty quick whats wrong

[02:57:15]

Gumby:

will output directly to console

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flaccid_:

nah its simply the init.d script claiming there is no backend process and yet there is so it fails to kill it and start it again

[02:57:54]

flaccid_:

i will look later at what condition is making it fail

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Gumby:

I think the init script kills mythbackend based on PID. if there is no mythbackend.pid it doesnt know what to kill

[02:58:49]

Gumby:

and mythbackend.pid doesnt get created if /var/run/mythtv is owned by the init scripts USER

[02:58:52]

Gumby:

so check that also

[02:59:29]

Gumby:

in your case it should be owned by mythtv

[02:59:58]

flaccid_:

yeah it all seems right so far and pid is fine

[03:00:15]

flaccid_:

im going to finish setting up this mythtv which is just my notebook and then i'll look into it

[03:00:22]

** Gumby still thinks that somewhere along the line you started mythbackend manually **

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flaccid_:

negative

[03:00:32]

Gumby:

lol

[03:00:46]

flaccid_:

the process was owned by mythtv and i never did an su to that user to run it

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flaccid_:

there is an init.d script so i felt no need to call it manually

[03:01:37]

Gumby:

ok. back to my ?

[03:01:57]

Gumby:

Hi all. I am trying to use the mythrename perl script to create links for my recordings but I get the following error when trying to do so. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'starttime' cannot be null at /usr/share/perl5/MythTV/Recording.pm line 69." Does anyone know how to fix this?

[03:02:09]

flaccid_:

back to my?

[03:02:29]

Gumby:

my "support" question

[03:03:15]

Gumby:

obviously "starttime" cannot be null. But where is it looking. I cant find a starttime that is null

[03:03:18]

flaccid_:

Gumby, modify the table structure

[03:04:28]

Gumby:

I have to find which table its using first

[03:05:19]

flaccid_:

can you get the sql statement it tried?

[03:06:06]

Gumby:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/mythrename.pl.gz

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Anduin:

Gumby: line 69 is a query against recordedseek

[03:06:11]

Gumby:

thats the script

[03:06:43]

Gumby:

Anduin: thx

[03:08:40]

Gumby:

hrm... a search shows 0 results

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flaccid_:

so table recordedseek is starttime datetime No 0000-00–00 00:00:00

[03:12:52]

flaccid_:

change null to yes

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flaccid_:

which is 'null'

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Gumby:

wow 31459 results for select * from recordedseek where starttime like '%00:00:00%';

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** Gumby has to find out what the recordedseek tables does **

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sphery:

Gumby: that's the seektable

[03:20:55]

Gumby:

yeah, just reading that. so are 00:00:00 times normal in starttime ?

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sphery:

Gumby: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM recordedseek WHERE starttime = '0000-00–00 00:00:00';

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clev:

startttime is when the recording started

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flaccid_:

need to see how myth handles that field and if it does handle it with null and/or the default

[03:21:31]

flaccid_:

you may also just have 1 field that is null instead of the default

[03:21:31]

clev:

i dont think you had mythtv running back when jesus was born :P

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sphery:

if that's 31459, you have a very broken data in recordedseek, likely due to a table crash

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sphery:

you should run optimize_mythdb.pl, then you can rebuild the seektable for all recordings with broken data

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Gumby:

1 row in set (5.95 sec) for that query sphery

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable

[03:22:42]

sphery:

then, DELETE FROM recordedseek WHERE starttime = '0000-00–00 00:00:00';

[03:22:55]

sphery:

might solve your Perl bindings issues

[03:23:25]

sphery:

I'd still recommend running optimize_mythdb.pl, though (and, if it's not already, might want to set it up in a cron job--I think Ubuntu may do that for you, though)

[03:23:31]

Gumby:

sphery: it returned 1 row because of the "COUNT" (the count was 0)

[03:23:41]

sphery:

what was the value for the count, then

[03:23:46]

sphery:

31459?

[03:23:48]

Gumby:

select * FROM recordedseek WHERE starttime = '0000-00–00 00:00:00';

[03:23:48]

Gumby:

Empty set (2.01 sec)

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sphery:

oh, got it, 0

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flaccid_:

try it with null now

[03:24:18]

Gumby:

already have. 0 result

[03:24:35]

Gumby:

2 warnings though

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Gumby:

Warning | 1292 | Incorrect datetime value: '' for column 'starttime' at row 1 |

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Gumby:

| Warning | 1292 | Incorrect datetime value: '' for column 'starttime' at row 1

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flaccid_:

maybe its trying to insert null, thus needs to be changed to null in the structure but that would be a bug as you wouldn't insert a null starttime

[03:25:15]

flaccid_:

yeah must be invalid data in the table for that field

[03:25:25]

sphery:

since Recording.pm is getting an error on query, it's likely that you have broken data elsewhere (like in recorded) and it's causing it to use bad data for the query

[03:25:37]

flaccid_:

but is the query an insert or a select?

[03:25:46]

Gumby:

should be a select

[03:25:50]

sphery:

how many rows with NULL starttime in recorded?

[03:25:52]

Gumby:

but I am not 100% sure

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Gumby:

sphery: there are none.

[03:26:19]

sphery:

(in theory, none, because they're disallowed by the schema)

[03:26:20]

sphery:

good

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flaccid_:

if there is no null records for that field and it says cannot be null, i'd assume its trying to insert null

[03:26:40]

sphery:

it's a query, though

[03:27:06]

Gumby:

sphery: do you know the query? I'm really no good at deciphering perl

[03:27:08]

sphery:

query meaning select

[03:27:26]

sphery:

just like Anduin said, a query against recordedseek

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sphery:

SELECT MAX(mark) FROM recordedseek WHERE chanid=? AND starttime=FROM_UNIXTIME(?)

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sphery:

fill in the blank for chanid and starttime

[03:29:38]

Gumby:

just running optimize_mythdb.pl now

[03:31:06]

sphery:

so, basically, somewhere, the Perl bindings are getting an invalid Unix timestamp value for starttime and are trying to use it to query the "last frame" of the recording

[03:31:19]

sphery:

finding where the invalid timestamp is coming from is the challenge

[03:31:32]

sphery:

but, it does mean you have some invalid data somewhere

[03:31:50]

wagnerrp:

hah! i accidently found someone's mythweb page on google

[03:32:13]

sphery:

In theory, the recorded* tables should get cleaned of any garbage data once per day, so it may just start working tomorrow

[03:32:28]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: lol. is it mine?

[03:32:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: gonna e-mail them?

[03:32:52]

sphery:

Or maybe just create a recording rule for, "Hey, might want to enable authentication on your MythWeb server"

[03:33:08]

wagnerrp:

have to figure out what their email is

[03:33:13]

sphery:

If you do it as a manual record, they'll see it in watch recordings :)

[03:33:27]

Gumby:

there was one post on the dvbn forums where they set the guys satellite to record all the gay porn

[03:34:29]

Gumby:

ok, running the table optimize didnt fix it.

[03:34:35]

** Gumby digs some more **

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sphery:

Gumby: here's one... SELECT COUNT(*) FROM recorded WHERE starttime < '1970-01–01 00:00:00';

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sphery:

and the same for recordedseek

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Gumby:

sphery: lol, I just read that article :)

[03:37:53]

sphery:

article?

[03:38:09]

Gumby:

1 row

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sphery:

that's probably the problem

[03:38:28]

sphery:

unix timestamps start at 1970

[03:38:31]

Gumby:

http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?10,205568,205747#msg-205747

[03:38:38]

sphery:

unless you mean that's one row with a value of 0

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Gumby:

http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?10,205568,205958#msg-205958

[03:38:47]

Gumby:

second URL is better

[03:38:53]

Gumby:

explained what you just asked me to do

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Gumby:

I had just finished reading it when I switched back to xchat and read your query

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sphery:

heh, good timing

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Gumby:

count = 1

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Gumby:

and there it is

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sphery:

yeah, something either imported a show with a starttime < the epoch or you use EIT for listings and the monkeys made a mistake

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Gumby:

now why didnt that show up in my query

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Gumby:

ah, I was doing it on recordedseek

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sphery:

Myth doesn't support having a recording that was recorded by Myth before the epoch because, well, Myth didn't exist before the epoch

[03:40:39]

Gumby:

yes, thats understandable

[03:41:10]

wagnerrp:

well a friendly 1 minute recording telling them of their issue seems sufficient

[03:41:11]

Gumby:

damn, I was just trying to play that recording last night and it wouldnt play. lol

[03:41:15]

wagnerrp:

no need for gay porn

[03:41:20]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: lol

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sphery:

so, if it's something you tried to import that was originally aired before 1970 (i.e. Star Trek from a series DVD or whatever), set the starttime to NOW() and the original airdate to the pre-epoch time

[03:41:25]

wagnerrp:

although its on port 8888

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Gumby:

oooohh trickt!! hehe

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wise and noble choice

[03:41:47]

wagnerrp:

google would not have found that unless it was intentionally linked somewhere

[03:43:05]

** sphery can't wait to see the post on -users list, "Somehow Myth recorded a show called, 'Hey, might want to enable authentication on your MythWeb server!'" **

[03:43:19]

Gumby:

I'm surprised my mythweb hasnt been found by a bot. It was wide open for a long time

[03:43:38]

wagnerrp:

na, 'your mythweb is open to the world. you might want to fix this'

[03:43:47]

sphery:

kormoc actually added code to MythWeb that will lock down the server if it detects a rampant bot

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sphery:

don't remember if that's in -fixes, yet

[03:44:09]

wagnerrp:

why not just add a robots.txt?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that works... I'll keep an eye out

[03:44:25]

wagnerrp:

or does that have to be in the server root?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: better to just keep the bots out (as not all bots respect robots.txt)

[03:45:11]

sphery:

the idea is lock everyone out when a bot hits and give a good message saying that it's locked because it's not properly secured

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hads:

Bots should be able to do harm unless there are GET action URLs in mythweb

[03:45:27]

hads:

s/should/shoudn't/

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sphery:

there are if you use the non-javascript templates (Lite, or whatever)

[03:45:43]

hads:

ALthough yes it is a good idea to keep them all out

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Gumby:

woohoo. mythrename works now ;

[03:46:00]

Gumby:

thanks sphery

[03:46:04]

dustybin:

i just had to use a age calculator to find out my age, i thought i was 33, im actually 32! :-)

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sphery:

and, for a while, the bots were given the lite theme because they weren't regular browsers

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hads:

GET actions that do stuff are naughty.

[03:47:28]

sphery:

dustybin: A couple years ago, I lied to people for a year saying I was 33 until my sister corrected me. Worst part is that I actually thought I was. Had to do the math when she told me.

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sphery:

hads: spec only recommends that actions performed by GET requests be safe and idempotent

[03:48:08]

wagnerrp:

seems it was a good plan to lay off the gay porn. there are a compile kids shows in the recordings

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hads:

Yeah of course, so no creating/deleting things etc.

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dustybin:

sphery: lol

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sphery:

IMHO, there is no excuse to use GET for an action that's not idempotent. Using it for unsafe actions is fine, where appropriate (like deleting shows from MythWeb)

[03:48:46]

hads:

I wouldn't use GET for deleting anything

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sphery:

so, how would you do it without javascript?

[03:49:17]

hads:

A POST

[03:49:25]

hads:

i.e. a standard old form

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sphery:

413 forms on the recorded programs page?

[03:49:36]

sphery:

1 form with 413 buttons?

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hads:

If it has to be yeah

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sphery:

or, click the delete me link, which takes you to a form with "are you super sure?

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sphery:

IMHO, the loss of usability for safety is not worthwhile

[03:50:20]

hads:

Which can of course be made with JS requests.

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sphery:

but not for the theme that works without JS

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sphery:

only way to do POST in HTML is a form with a method="POST"

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sphery:

so, for Lite...

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hads:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

protection from ones self is not worthwhile at the sake of usability

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

wish MS knew that

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xris:

sphery: dropping non-javascript deleting from the main template is the proper fix.. which I believe is what kormoc and I did

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sphery:

xris: Yeah, I just think it's no big deal to use GET for unsafe actions when doing so has a usability benefit. I wouldn't do it for non-idempotent actions, but then again, delete is idempotent.

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sphery:

wondering... with all this web 2.0 stuff, are bots starting to use JS to index portions of sites? It seems a lot of content wouldn't be available without using JS on some sites.

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xris:

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by idempotent in this context, but I think I get the general idea. and yes. it was a usability issue. was done before I had much knowledge of css to hide buttons and make them look like normal links (which you really can't do on a mac at all, too)

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: why didnt you set the recording to start immediately :)

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sphery:

idempotent meaning that the end result is identical regardless of the number of times the request is sent

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sphery:

(i.e. charging a credit card or sending an e-mail would not be an idempotent action)

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wagnerrp:

Gumby?

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sphery:

was it your server, Gumby ?

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: lol. on that guys open mythweb

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Gumby:

sphery: lol, no

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sphery:

btw, glad you got the bindings working/your data fixed

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Gumby:

me too :)

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Gumby:

I owe it to you, thanks

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xris:

sphery: oh, gotcha. so if the next page gets reloaded or revisited, the action doesn't have additional affects... yeah. delete is still "destructive" the first time. GET wasn't the best choice for that, but in my opinion it was a lesser of 2 evils

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cwsmith:

so is xfs a good filesystem to use for storing recordings?

[03:58:08]

sphery:

xris: exactly

[03:58:23]

sphery:

cwsmith: some swear by it, others swear at it

[03:58:35]

sphery:

I use ext3, but many say it's not appropriate.

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cwsmith:

k just curious cause i was using ext3

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sphery:

It works great for me with "Delete files slowly" enabled

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cwsmith:

and was getting the Ticket #3728: No data written on writeBlock error

[03:59:08]

cwsmith:

i was on here last night

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cwsmith:

was told ext3 might be reason

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sphery:

I've never seen that issue on my system.

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cwsmith:

i only had it once i upgraded to FC8

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sphery:

Do you have "Delete files slowly" enabled?

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cwsmith:

yep

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sphery:

don't see why ext3 would be a problem, then

[03:59:56]

cwsmith:

and mysql binary logging was disabled and never was enabled

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cwsmith:

me neither but so far i have not seen that error come back :)

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sphery:

cwsmith: recent kernel?

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cwsmith:

yep

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sphery:

is it using CFQ?

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cwsmith:

CFQ?

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sphery:

completely-fair queuing

[04:01:18]

sphery:

I/O prioritization

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cwsmith:

not sure about CFQ but i am pretty sure i/o is good :) allthough i have been using some custom recording latly

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cwsmith:

kernel-2.6.26.5–28.fc8

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFQ

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cwsmith:

current kernel :)

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sphery:

basically, with that, you could set the priority for some apps so high that others can be I/O starved

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone watch Crusoe tonight? Any good?

[04:03:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: recorded, but didn't watch, yet

[04:03:16]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, cool, will probably pick it up tomorrow

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sphery:

plan to wait to see if it gets cancelled

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, I know how you operate

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

I have about six things getting edited/moved to mythvideo to be saved for hiatus/summer

[04:03:46]

cwsmith:

ok so you recommend using it or disabling it or modifying it to give myth better i/o ?

[04:04:10]

sphery:

cwsmith: I haven't seen a case where CFQ caused such issues, but I recently had a run-in with CFS (Completely Fair Scheduling) that completely broke my frontend.

[04:04:21]

iamlindoro_:

Sanctuary/Eleventh Hour/Life on Mars/Numb3rs/Mad Men/Fringe

[04:04:25]

cwsmith:

what did you do to solve?

[04:04:36]

sphery:

I mainly recommend checking what priorities are on, for example, mythbackend and mysqld processes

[04:05:13]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffe . . . onfiguration was for the CFS problem, but CFQ would be different

[04:05:14]

wagnerrp:

today's episode of numb3rs offends me

[04:05:36]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, hasn't even started here yet

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sphery:

haven't seen it, yet

[04:06:24]

wagnerrp:

hes doing some sort of aerodynamic testing on a sport bike, by sitting on it with streamers, and having his ghostbuster friend point a box fan at him

[04:07:20]

sphery:

cwsmith: ionice -p`pidof mythbackend`

[04:07:24]

sphery:

same for mysqld

[04:07:36]

sphery:

might need .real in there for *buntu

[04:07:44]

cwsmith:

nope using fedora

[04:07:52]

cwsmith:

but seams people with new buntu have been having same problem

[04:08:03]

sphery:

lol, new buntu

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sphery:

I like that

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fignuts:

hi

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wagnerrp:

they seem to have gotten some legitimate animation of turbulent flow around a cylinder, but that has absolutely nothing to do with a sportbike

[04:09:15]

fignuts:

how does mythtv implement exteral sat/cable box contro?

[04:09:18]

fignuts:

control

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sphery:

using a script

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wagnerrp:

i suppose thats the problem when shows like that incorporate math that i actually understand

[04:09:44]

sphery:

which generally calls a program, like irsend, from LIRC

[04:10:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if you were as clueless as the rest of us, it would be a good show

[04:10:39]

** iamlindoro_ is the rest of us **

[04:11:07]

sphery:

fignuts: though if you have a cable box that accepts firewire commands for channel change or have a satellite box (from DirecTV) which uses serial control, you can use that, instead

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp – this is the first time that numb3rs has offended you by doing asinine math?

[04:12:01]

sphery:

I liked the cornstarch and water episode--that fluid also made an appearance on The Big Bang Theory

[04:12:24]

wagnerrp:

well i cant say its the first time, but this one was particularly bad

[04:12:34]

sphery:

RyeBrye: but they make it sound so plausible, what with all the fancy names for the algorithms

[04:12:44]

RyeBrye:

True. and the fancy symbols :)

[04:12:49]

sphery:

yeah

[04:12:53]

wagnerrp:

you cannot get worthwhile data from waving a box fan in front of someone

[04:12:54]

iamlindoro_:

Wow, CBS sure threw commflag for a loop tonight

[04:13:17]

wagnerrp:

unless youre trying to discover how long it would take to piss them off, or trying to take pictures with their hair blowing in the wind

[04:13:27]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, that's true

[04:13:45]

cwsmith:

ionice -p`pidof mythbackend` for that will it make it use i/o when it needs it or do i need another option

[04:13:50]

fignuts:

sphery thanks, i'm probably switching to dish soon

[04:13:55]

fignuts:

not sure if there's firewire on their dvr

[04:13:57]

cwsmith:

i am also assuming that i will have to ad it to rc.local to keep it working :)

[04:14:00]

RyeBrye:

What bugs me is the other extreme... how shows like Mythbusters seem to have some kind of desire to do absolutely everything WITHOUT using any math beyond what a high-schooler would know

[04:14:05]

iamlindoro_:

no firewire on dish.

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fignuts:

i do have a usb-uirt

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cwsmith:

none: prio 0 thats whats returned with that command :)

[04:14:29]

RyeBrye:

Like... the whole bullet in water thing... Seriosuly – just set up some differential equations and you'd probably have an answer a whole hell of a lot faster than trying to rent a pool and a 50 caliber

[04:14:52]

fignuts:

basically, i can seamlessly go from mythtv (which i won't be using for any live tv or tv recording functions) to my satellite box using whatever remote i end up using?

[04:15:06]

wagnerrp:

but wheres the fun in that

[04:15:20]

RyeBrye:

Sure... they could show the pool afterwards (it is a TV show after all) – but they make it sound like they are discovering crap nobody has ever thought about before – when in reality most sophomores or juniors in a undergrad physics solve those equations every year

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wagnerrp:

besides, some basic diff.eq.s wouldnt predict fragmentation patterns

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cwsmith:

ya if you use dish network thats a joke at least with my dish pvr i had

[04:15:52]

wagnerrp:

well, actually they would

[04:15:54]

RyeBrye:

No, not the fragmentation pattern – but they weren't even looking for that – they were trying to see "would the bullet stop"

[04:16:02]

fignuts:

i'm gonna get the one that outputs independently to two tvs

[04:16:05]

wagnerrp:

but it would be some diff.eqs. and a big ass computer

[04:16:20]

RyeBrye:

I'd watch that show! :)

[04:16:32]

sphery:

fignuts: if you get the dual-tuner DISH boxes, one of the 2 tuners uses an RF remote, so you can't control it with IR

[04:17:03]

sphery:

though someone on the list mentioned that there will be an additional accessory available that's an IR receiver for that 2nd tuner

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** RyeBrye gets ready to pitch "Myth Yawners" – a show about pretentious people proving common things are false by using supercomputer simulations and applied mathematics **

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fignuts:

that's odd

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sphery:

fignuts: but if you want 1/2 for Myth and 1/2 for waste-my-LifeTV, I mean LiveTV, that works great

[04:17:36]

RyeBrye:

Can you do serial control of the 2nd tuner of the DISH box?

[04:17:46]

RyeBrye:

do they even have serial control on those boxes anymore?

[04:17:55]

sphery:

TTBOMK, only DirecTV has serial control (and only old ones)

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iamlindoro_:

new ones have USB control though

[04:18:35]

fignuts:

so the dual tuner dish dvr only records on one tuner, period?

[04:18:40]

fignuts:

or is this some drawback using mythtv

[04:18:41]

fignuts:

?

[04:18:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: what kind of protocol? did they publish it, at least?

[04:19:17]

sphery:

fignuts: Myth could record from both, Myth just can't change the channel on one

[04:19:18]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, I would guess so, many Myth + DirectTV users change channels via USB

[04:19:24]

sphery:

cool

[04:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, although it looks like it's USB to serial adapters on both sides with a gender changer, so kinda cheating

[04:20:09]

fignuts:

sphery: i don't at all mean recording into myth, i won't even have video-in from the dvr going to the htpc

[04:20:29]

sphery:

fignuts: basically, DISH designed the dual tuner boxes so one tuner (with IR control) could be used in the room with the STB and the other tuner (with RF control) could be used from another room

[04:20:40]

fignuts:

oh i see

[04:20:45]

fignuts:

now i get it

[04:21:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: so, it's pretty much the same serial control but over a USB line, now?

[04:21:27]

fignuts:

and the one with RF control doesn't have any pause/rewind/record features?

[04:21:48]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, yeah, looks like

[04:21:50]

sphery:

I don't know. I'm guessing the dual tuner DVR's can record from both tuners

[04:22:05]

sphery:

but I haven't used/seen any of DISH's in action

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fignuts:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Apparently from talking to a coworker this week, it will only record ONE thing max

[04:22:37]

iamlindoro_:

as it preserves a free tuner for Live TV

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cwsmith:

hey sphery none: prio 0 thats what i get returned when running that i/o command :)

[04:22:41]

wagnerrp:

how long should the 'recordings' page in mythweb take to load?

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cwsmith:

should the prio be raised higher than zero?

[04:23:03]

wagnerrp:

7 seconds for 56 recordings, im wondering if thats reasonable

[04:23:06]

sphery:

cwsmith: same for mysqld? If so, then it's probably not the I/O scheduler

[04:23:09]

fignuts:

i'll have to look into the functionality of the current model

[04:23:23]

fignuts:

what about remotes? can i use my windows mobile 2003 pda to control mythtv via wifi?

[04:23:23]

sphery:

cwsmith: unfortunately, though, I don't have a next guess

[04:23:41]

cwsmith:

same thing lol

[04:23:51]

cwsmith:

just curious

[04:23:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that will depend a lot on how many new thumbnails Myth has to make for you

[04:24:00]

cwsmith:

so far its been stable switching to the new XFS :)

[04:24:05]

fignuts:

eventually i'll want an ipod touch for control, since a home automation setup i'm looking into uses it as well

[04:24:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: generally the second time you go will be faster than the first--even if you clear the browser cache

[04:24:46]

wagnerrp:

the thumbnails should all be generated already

[04:24:57]

wagnerrp:

although there are a dozen or so that arent

[04:25:13]

wagnerrp:

i think the webserver may only have read-only access to that path

[04:25:20]

wagnerrp:

so if its generating the images locally

[04:25:21]

sphery:

even the MythWeb thumbnails (it doesn't use the ones the frontend uses that are automatically generated by the backend)

[04:25:31]

wagnerrp:

it could generate them every time, and then fail to save them

[04:26:05]

sphery:

MythWeb sends a request to the MythXML server, then mythbackend generates the thumbnail, then the server sends it back to MythWeb

[04:26:16]

sphery:

mythweb uses a different size than the frontend uses

[04:26:46]

sphery:

and, yeah, if any are missing, it will attempt to have them generated, so it will delay the response

[04:26:51]

wagnerrp:

well there are '.png' and '.100x75.png' files for every video

[04:27:13]

wagnerrp:

seems not all of them, only most of them

[04:27:29]

sphery:

the 100x75 ones are MythWeb's

[04:27:40]

wagnerrp:

there are ones from an old source no longer in the database that dont want to be generated

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sphery:

if some are missing, are they, perhaps, from before DST?

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fignuts:

thanks for the help sphery, i'm off

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wagnerrp:

then theres all the empty mpegs in my storage directory

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sphery:

Myth doesn't make good preview images of empty mpegs...

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cwsmith:

well thank you sphery for your help i do appricate it :)

[04:30:56]

sphery:

was just reading about non-newtonian fluids, got to yahoo answers, and found out that the Physics section is basically a bunch of school kids posting their homework problems for someone else to do...

[04:31:12]

sphery:

that offends me more than the Numb3rs episode

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sphery:

cwsmith: good luck figuring it out. I hope the xfs stays stable and you don't get that error, anymore.

[04:33:48]

cwsmith:

thanks ill see

[04:34:11]

cwsmith:

took slaves offline as well to seee if it helps now bringing them back on also have battery backup on that XFS system :)

[04:34:53]

cwsmith:

well maybe you can give advise one more time in mythweb i done have links to ASX streams and direct downloads

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sphery:

meaning the links don't work?

[04:36:48]

sphery:

MythWeb assumes that the files exist on the local (to the MythWeb host) filesystem in the same location they exist on the backend system(s)

[04:37:14]

sphery:

I can't get to any of mine because I don't share my recordings directories.

[04:38:30]

cwsmith:

ok so they assume so how do you share them if you want to try it out :)

[04:38:39]

cwsmith:

or do you have a place to do some reading one :)

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cwsmith:

one = on :)

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sphery:

If you want to be able to access them through MythWeb, you have to ensure that the recordings directories are shared using NFS/CIFS/whatever

[04:39:54]

sphery:

I don't care to access them through MythWeb, so I don't share the recordings dirs.

[04:40:18]

sphery:

mythfrontend just asks mythbackend to stream them, so it doesn't matter for my usage patterns

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Gumby:

hrm, I am trying to figure out where to add a storage group. Im in mythtv-setup in storage directories but there isnt an option to "create new storage group". Where do I find this?

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Gumby:

I can add a new directory to "default" but I want to have a new group (I thought this was possible, correct me if I am wrong)

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cwsmith:

i find them under mythfrontend when you are adding a new recording

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cwsmith:

you go over from default and it gives you the option to add one :)

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wagnerrp:

so create a new group

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Gumby:

cwsmith: in mythfrontend or mythtv-setup ?

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cwsmith:

mythfrontend

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sphery:

Gumby: you should see, "Create New Storage Group," on the screen you get right after selecting "Storage Groups" from the mythtv-setup main menu

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

hrm

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cwsmith:

both i guess lol :)

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wagnerrp:

cwsmith: you cannot create or manage storage groups in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

you can merely choose what storage group to save a recording to

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Gumby:

I select "storage directories" and it shows default, livetv, db backups

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sphery:

and under DB backups, it doesn't have a "Create new ..." button?

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Gumby:

sphery: nope

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cwsmith:

lol sorry then lol thought you were talking recording groups :)

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Gumby:

this is on a slave backend. Does it only show on the master?

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scant:

is the mythtv-setup dvb scanner not as robust as dvbscan?

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sphery:

Gumby: Yeah, you can't create new storage groups (other than "special" groups, like LiveTV and DB Backups) on a slave backend.

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sphery:

Storage groups definitions are global, but can be overridden on slave backends

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Gumby:

sphery: ah, ok. (was just trying that)

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sphery:

makes it so they only need defined once, but still allows different directory configurations/preferences on different backends

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Gumby:

seems logical

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sphery:

scant: is it crashing on you or just not picking up as many channels?

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sphery:

scant: it's being rewritten currently and will greatly improve, but may not be ready for 0.22

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sphery:

scant: until then, if you have a multi-core/multi-proc system, you'll likely have to pin it to a single core with taskset

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sphery:

scant: but it should do just fine at picking up all the available non-encrypted channels.

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scant:

sphery: someone was in here last night saying they got almost 4x as more channels with dvbscan, although some of them were music only channels, however, i thought the recommended way to scan dtv was mythtv-setup, rather than dvbscan and importing channels.conf

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sphery:

yeah, you shuold use mythtv-setup

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scant:

sphery: but it's possible dvbscan will pickup more non-encrypted channels? and if that's the case for someone then importing channels.conf is (of course) recommended?

[04:54:44]

sphery:

may be that the 4x more channels may have been the same channels + a bunch of encrypted ones

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scant:

sphery: this person said he viewed every channel via mplayer... and all were in the clear

[04:55:27]

sphery:

importing channels.conf generally doesn't set things up right

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sphery:

in theory, Myth will fill in the blanks, but I don't know that it actually works now

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scant:

that was his ultimate issue

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scant:

that he got more channels that he verified as viewable in mplayer with dvbscan, but couldn't import them

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sphery:

the new scanner will be much better on both counts

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cwsmith:

hey sphery in the mythweb i have everything shared but there is no links associated with ASX Streams

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scant:

sphery: it got me wondering, perhaps I have more channels that mythtv-setup dvb scanner isn't picking up... :)

[04:56:50]

cwsmith:

click on the links does nothing right click and properties shows no link associated with the link button :)

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sphery:

cwsmith: don't know what it could be, then

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cwsmith:

k thanks :)

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Gumby:

is it possible to password protect a storage groups recordings?

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RyeBrye:

Any idea what would cause my theme screens to all suddenly go blank? (i.e. just the background – no text or icons)... although interestingly enough the recordings page worked fine once I got to it

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RyeBrye:

(the apperance page works fine for me to change things too when I get to it – so it seems that I have this problem wiht all my themes nwo)

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JeffH:

anyone around?

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** cesman has been called a square **

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JeffH:

Has anyone come up with a published a 'known good' hardware set that works well with MythTV?

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cesman:

http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8

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scant:

JeffH: probably both Mythbuntu and KnoppMyth have known good hardware lists

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cesman:

tier 1 hard that just works w/ KnoppMyth

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cesman:

should also just work w/ must distros

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Gumby:

man, its been way too long since Ive archived my recordings

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** Gumby is a packrat and doesnt like to delete stuff **

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Anduin:

Dr_Cherry: ldconfig is normally done during make install but will only work if you are root and have the destination lib path included

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Gumby:

transfering HD via 10mbit is painful

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Dr_Cherry:

how do I use ldconfig to fix the problem?

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Dr_Cherry:

or shall I re configure

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wagnerrp:

transferring anything via 10mbit is painful

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Gumby:

yeah, but cable SD is tollerable. lol. satellite HD is not

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Anduin:

Dr_Cherry: just "ldconfig" will rebuild the cache, assuming the install location isn't too exotic it should work after that, if not, well fix things as they happen.

[05:42:35]

Dr_Cherry:

I can't understand why that doesn't work.

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Anduin:

Dr_Cherry: the default install location is /usr/local/lib which isn't always searched

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JeffH:

so is there a published hardware configuration some could use as a starting point in building their own machine?

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cesman:

JeffH: http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8

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cesman:

if you read, it will tell you exactly what people are using thier system for...

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cesman:

HD, SD, etc...

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JeffH:

haha typical linux type answer.

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Dr_Cherry:

got it. Anduin was correct.

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cesman:

JeffH: perhaps you need to learn to ask smarter questions

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Dr_Cherry:

ldconfig /usr/local/lib – fixed the prob

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Gumby:

JeffH: you mean the "why should we do all the work for you when its right in front of your face" type answer?

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Anduin:

Dr_Cherry: /etc/ld.so.conf will make things easier

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Dr_Cherry:

Thx friends

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jeffery:

Hi guys, can anyone advise what to fix for the message "You should have gotten a channel locl by now" when I view live tv

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RyeBrye:

jeffery – get a better antenna

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pbj:

Hey guys – morning from Denmark. Is is possible to read more about this error somewhere in my mythtvsetup--> ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 1

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pbj:

Caurse its just a basic bashscript – that'll work manually while running the script

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fryfrog:

pbj: it doesn't work for myth for some reason

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cwsmith:

anyone know how to get mythweb asx links working ?

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fryfrog:

you can use sudo and/or su – mythtv <comamnd> to see if it works at that user

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fryfrog:

well, assuming the backend runs as "mythtv"

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cwsmith:

and direct download for that matter :)

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pbj:

OK – It have run before like this without problems – but made a totally reinstall carse of getting some new tunercards!

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pbj:

And I can also see it tries to change the channels.

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fryfrog:

you can try adding some debug info to your script, it'll end up in mythtv logs

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pbj:

Thanks

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jeffery:

RyeBrye: its not the antenna.. it used to work before.. just had to re-install the os

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Gumby:

hrm, Ive done something to mythfrontend so that the recordings are now listed from oldest at the top to newest at the bottom. This is reverse from what it used to be. Anyone know where I set that?

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Gumby:

nm, Ive found it

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** Gumby is having issues trying to figure out how to hide all recordings of a specific recording group unless a user specifically specifies to view that recording group. **

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Dr_Cherry:

I'm unable to connect to my myth tv database to set it up. I'm able to connet to it with my command-line mysql client by the database setup doesn't see it.

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pbj:

DR_Cherry: you're not able to connect from localhost using commandline – then you need to set your permission on the DB rigth

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Dr_Cherry:

I CAN connect on the command line

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Gumby:

hrm, ever since I ran the optimize_mythdb script mythweb doesnt show the listings properly. It just displays a white screen :(

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Gumby:

Dr_Cherry: try mysql -uUSERNAME -pPASSWORD -hxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx = the address of the machine mysql is running on

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Gumby:

Dr_Cherry: which database setup are you talking about anyhow?

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Dr_Cherry:

I *can* connect with the mysql command-line client

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Dr_Cherry:

when I run myth, it says it can't connect using the same passwords. I"m reading up on some issue with qt-mysql but that's installed

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Gumby:

what do you mean by "when I run myth"

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Gumby:

how are you running myth? is it the backend? is it the frontend?

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Dr_Cherry:

mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

ok, how are you running mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

from a terminal? from a menu?

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Dr_Cherry:

terminal

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Gumby:

which user are you running mythtv-setup as?

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Dr_Cherry:

just as a regular user

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Gumby:

but not the mythtv user?

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Dr_Cherry:

no, I didn't realize that it required it's own user.

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Gumby:

it doesnt

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Dr_Cherry:

ok.

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Gumby:

but there are certain things that need to be configured that arent normally configured for users other than mythtv user out of the box

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Dr_Cherry:

I didn't see that in the install docs (looking now)

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Gumby:

does the user you are running mythtv-setup have a .mythtv directory in the homedir? and if so, is there a mysql.txt in it?

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Dr_Cherry:

yes.

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Gumby:

open that mysql.txt file and make sure the DB settings are correct

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Dr_Cherry:

lookin in there now.

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Dr_Cherry:

wtf, there's some odd password in there

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Gumby:

thats a generated one when myth is installed/setup

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Gumby:

change it to whatever the one you set for the user you want to connect to the db with

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Dr_Cherry:

so is that txt file a config file?

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Gumby:

it lets myth know where the db is

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Dr_Cherry:

weird, I thought the setup did that.

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Dr_Cherry:

oh it does.

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Dr_Cherry:

hell, the password's correct, I was looking ath the DBTYpe

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Dr_Cherry:

crap.

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

whats the dbhostname show?

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Dr_Cherry:

localhost

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Gumby:

do you have a config.xml in that same directory?

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Dr_Cherry:

No.

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Dr_Cherry:

I take it the setup writes to this mysql.txt file.

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Gumby:

just to be sure here, you have connected to mysql on the command line with something like mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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Dr_Cherry:

mysql mythconverg -hlocalhost -umythtv -pmythtv

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Dr_Cherry:

and it connects .. (also without the -hlocalhost)

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Dr_Cherry:

the only thing I could find on the tubes was qt-mysql, which is installed

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Gumby:

what error are you getting when you are unable to connect

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Dr_Cherry:

let me pastebin it

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Gumby:

sure

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Dr_Cherry:

http://pastebin.com/d3d1e6110

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Dr_Cherry:

wait stop, i figured it out

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Dr_Cherry:

qt3-MySQL was not installed

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

what distro is that?

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Dr_Cherry:

FC9

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Dr_Cherry:

er F9

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Dr_Cherry:

nobody yell at me for including the "C" in there

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Gumby:

I dont know the different. I havnt used the F word in a long long time

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Dr_Cherry:

so for future reference ..

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Gumby:

so I assume you built mythtv from source then?

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Dr_Cherry:

yeah.

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GlemSom:

What options do one have for a dual tuner DVB-C setup? I've called my provider – and they do absolutly no support on anything else but their own ugly box...

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AndyCap:

GlemSom: what provider.

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urbbot1:

how much can i sell for "10 download songs" on ebay?

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AndyCap:

urbbot1: 2–5 years + damages.

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urbbot1:

andycap huh

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justinh:

GlemSom: I'm not aware of any dual tuner dvb-c cards so your only option is to buy a cable splitter and another dvb-c tuner

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justinh:

if you need to decrypt the channels you pay for, you'd need another CI module & CAM of course – OR do something you're not allowed to talk about here

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GlemSom:

justinh, My provider is "YouSee" – which used viaccess. I actually have access to two DVB-C cards... And I have a cheap USB cardreader aswell... I've red somethung about opensasc and stuff should be able to use one card with two tuners... which is basecly what I'm looking for

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AndyCap:

GlemSom: yeah, that would be the subject banned in this channel

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justinh:

well nobody here is going to help with card sharing here I'm afraid. It has illegal uses as well as 'legitimate' uses so it's not allowed here

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justinh:

that said, you don't have to go too far to find information about it – and I don't mean sending anybody here private messages and asking

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urbbot1:

Andycap what do you mean 2–5 years?

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AndyCap:

justinh: you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RiHHs1HYzE ?

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justinh:

urbbot1: he means re-selling music you don't have the rights to sell

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urbbot1:

justinh who says i was doing that

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GlemSom:

So, even though in my case it is perfectly legal to use "cardsharing" – We're not allowed to talk about it here?

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GlemSom:

I bought the card from my provider – and is paying a subscription fee every 6 months..

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justinh:

GlemSom: yup. software decryption has illegal uses

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justinh:

it's umm... unfortunate but rules are rules

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GlemSom:

Ok fair :)

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GreesMunkie:

Was wondering if anyone has a LIRC config working for a Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro?

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justinh:

GreesMunkie: does lirc.org have config files for it?

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GreesMunkie:

yes, just can't work out which one I need and how to get it all working (have spent several hours trying!) without locking up my box.

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justinh:

if lirc is locking up your box, something is very very wrong

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GreesMunkie:

well, it doesn't lock it, but stops the boot process as it just hangs...

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justinh:

ah maybe a panic

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GreesMunkie:

probably just a wrong config

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justinh:

from a page I just found it seems you need to enable the IR port with an ALSA option

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GreesMunkie:

so near and yet......

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justinh:

options snd-emu10k1 index=0 extin=0x3fcf extout=0x1fcf enable_ir=1 – I took that from http://alexandre.touret.free.fr/dotclear/inde . . . latinium-pro

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justinh:

if you're not doing that maybe that has something to do with the problem

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GreesMunkie:

Thanks for the link (why didn't I pay more attention to French at school?). Will checkk it again

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justinh:

FWIW if you give up on it, a USB MCE remote package is quite cheap ;)

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GreesMunkie:

PK. Thanks for the workaround ;-)

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GreesMunkie:

PK=OK

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justinh:

they're not bad remotes either, those MCE things – other than having the windows logo button on them but that can be modded ;)

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GreesMunkie:

The MCE package. What's "in the box"? What do I need to install, hardware wise?

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GreesMunkie:

Or is it USB?

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justinh:

USB

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justinh:

you generally get a USB-attached IR receiver and a pretty good remote. I think you might even get an IR blaster or two aswell

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GreesMunkie:

sounds...complicated. Then again, I know nothing about remotes :-)

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urbbot1:

how come people in freenode uses the "sneak attack kick" method? i don't see that in any other network; who started that trend in freenode?

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justinh:

GreesMunkie: it's not complicated

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justinh:

the USB receiver interprets the IR signals from the remote & stuffs them up the USB bus for lirc to grab :)

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justinh:

IR blasters are little units which can send out IR signals – useful for controlling set top boxes (i.e. one you might be capturing video from) & suchlike

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justinh:

urbbot1: no idea. ask an op in #freenode ?

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GreesMunkie:

justinh: Is the setup for this in LIRC easier than with the SB Audigy and the livedrive thing?

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laga:

urbbot1: what is a sneak attack kick?

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urbbot1:

laga not staying in op mode and become op and kick and deop

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AndyCap:

laga: what you get for joining a lot of channels and asking the same off-topic questions it seems

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laga:

heh

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urbbot1:

andycap then what is a good channel to ask

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AndyCap:

urbbot1: hahah, so you only go into channels where the ops seem to be missing.

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AndyCap:

fail

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laga:

what i find way more annoying is the chanserv kick thing

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laga:

which just makes people /part

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** laga gotta go **

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urbbot1:

andycap not really; i go to any channel i want and ask whatever i want

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AndyCap:

urbbot1: well, then people in the channel respond how they want. :-)

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urbbot1:

andycap right, and i am not complaining

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justinh:

GreesMunkie: USB MCE remote should be a lot less hassle than the silly SB thing yes

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GreesMunkie:

justinh: Gotta reboot to windows to see if the remote still has battery power. Thanks for the help and info.

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justinh:

heh that backend memory leak thread just keeps growing & growing

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gbee:

urbbot1: it's freenode protocol that to avoid abuse of power, intimidating newbies etc that ops not keep operator privledges 24/7

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gbee:

it makes more a more friendly atmosphere

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gbee:

s/more a more/for a more/

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gbee:

http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml

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gbee:

#

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gbee:

# Don't keep channel operator privileges. Displaying these privileges on your nick with a "+o" attracts participants who are interested in gaining them and using them actively; it also attracts the attention of participants who react negatively to authority. Have your nick added to the channel access list and op yourself only when needed.

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gbee:

Use channel operator privileges sparingly. Each time you use them you raise the channel temperature. Users will be pleased with you, angry at you, frustrated that you used them inappropriately, envious that you have control over the discussion. None of these reactions may be conscious on the part of other users, but all of them increase the channel temperature.

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gbee:

and DON'T flood :p

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gbee:

quiet atm

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darkfrog:

how do I make my mythbox forget all the recordings for a specific show?

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darkfrog:

hmmm, looks like oldrecorded?

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darkfrog:

DELETE FROM oldrecorded WHERE title = 'Bonanza';?

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darkfrog:

just want to make sure that's not going to screw anything up

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fignuts:

does anybody have the dish network dvr 522?

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justinh:

no, you must be the only one in the world

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fignuts:

no i don't have it either

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fignuts:

it must not exist then

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justinh:

$5 a month just for the DVR? they're having a giraffe

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fignuts:

hmm their 612 has a built-in ir blaster

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fignuts:

i wonder if it's usable

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sphery:

/tb/away

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sphery:

oops

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sphery:

justinh: that memory leak thread is still growing, but it's the same guy growing it.

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** justinh valgrinds the thread **

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sphery:

fignuts: I'd guess that the IR blaster on the DISH is meant for changing channels on STB's (like digital converter boxes) for those who get locals OTA instead of through DISH, but want to record locals on the DISH DVR

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sphery:

you'd still need an IR blaster that's controlled by Myth (though if you do have DISH + a digital converter, you could just have Myth/LIRC control the DISH STB instead of teaching it to control both)

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** justinh starts lipping his seedee collection all over again **

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justinh:

this time it's FLAC

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gbee:

space whore

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fignuts:

ok sphery

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fignuts:

so my usb-uirt will still be usable

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sphery:

should be

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justinh:

space is cheap & I only need mp3 for the car

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** sphery wonders how time on his master backend could be off by 1hr 20min with ntp running... **

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sid3windr:

because you're using pool.ntp.org! ;)

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fignuts:

grr

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fignuts:

the manual says nothign about it's second tv connection

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fignuts:

if i could output the second tv on the component video output, i could feed into mythtv if the hauppage hdpvr is supported

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fignuts:

does mythtv support the hdpvr?

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justinh:

fignuts: svn trunk supports it. ish

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fignuts:

ish? :)

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sphery:

sid3windr: Clocksource: tsc unstable ... (then ntp dies)

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justinh:

ish. it's early days

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sphery:

then mfdb segfaults (guess it doesn't like time to change that fast)

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fignuts:

yeah it's new

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sphery:

guess that's a bad thing

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justinh:

hrm wonder if I can get my wife's laptop on the ripping case too. 3 machines will make lighter work of it

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laga:

sphery: if the time wrongness is above a certain threshold, ntpd is longer able to correct the drift (you can force it, though)

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sphery:

laga: yeah, on boot I run ntpdate -b, then start ntpd, so it's always close enough at start. Don't know how at 4:22am this morning it got so far out of sync that ntpd shut down.

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sphery:

rm'ing /etc/ntp.drift and hoping it was just bad data in there...

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fignuts:

sweet i can output directly to my tv via hdmi, and use the component outputs into a hd pvr to any other front end in the house :D

[14:16:39]

fignuts:

i guessi won't be selling my msi media live after all

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fignuts:

is there a way to remove mythtv's overlay when putting video thru the hdpvr?

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jduggan:

sooo, electronics guys, if i wanted to build an IR receiver today, could i do it for 20quid, with parts from maplins

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fignuts:

not sure what a quid is, but building an ir receiver should be cheap

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fignuts:

that's be $40 usd?

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fignuts:

that'd

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fignuts:

i use mouser because i'm in the US, i think i've heard maplin's is expensive

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fignuts:

jduggan do you have a particular circuit you're looking at?

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jduggan:

fignuts: no, i've no clue about this stuff

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jduggan:

but i want to get IR on a frontend

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jduggan:

as ive a new box

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jduggan:

so i can seperate my office's frontend form my workstation

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fignuts:

you'd have to find a good circuit

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fignuts:

if it's using usb, it'll probably be microcontroller based, meaning you'd need a burner to load the firmware into it

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jduggan:

i have a serial header with a backplate to connect to it

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jduggan:

so no USB

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fignuts:

might still be microcontroller based

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fignuts:

http://www.youritronics.com/serial-port-infrared-receiver/

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fignuts:

i'm not sure how it communicates then, as in if a driver is needed or if it'll automatically work

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fignuts:

but those parts should cost you a few bucks, plus a case that costs a few more

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fignuts:

the computer side of it, i don't know... but i could build one of those in about ten minutes

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fignuts:

there's definitely no kind of buffer on it to make sure it receives a full ir signal before sending to the pc

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fignuts:

i'm not sure that would matter tho

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fignuts:

ok i gotta go to work

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fignuts:

later

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justinh:

heh. The Arctic Monkeys are NOT makers of 'folk' music, freedb, k

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justinh:

wow. facebook has another use. making your friends jealous. "Ready to be guided around the orchestra by bill bailey"

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

ROFL. Tina Turner – All The Best CD1. Genre: DATA

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justinh:

yup. I'd rather listen to a spectrum game cassette so that's about right

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justinh:

df

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justinh:

ruh roh

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jduggan:

bla all these amd boards i look at claiming to have HDMI dont? (atleast not from the pictures)

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jduggan:

are they passing dvi as hdmi or what?

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justinh:

eh? I thought FLAC had tags. why isn't vlc showing em?

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** justinh smashes EAC into little bits **

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justinh:

you tell it to use Artist/Album Name/track # Title & what does it do? not that. grr

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laga:

jduggan: ABIT A-S78H – this one should have HDMI

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laga:

and a lot of other

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laga:

..s. your choice of chipset, though :)

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jduggan:

laga, ooh, cheap

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jduggan:

laga: you got one of these?

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laga:

no

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laga:

i will get a geforce 8200 one

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jduggan:

i want a cheap AM2 board with onboard HDMI, i can get the cpu for free and i want as little wires as possible so audio/video in one cable would be great

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laga:

i don't care about HDMI, so i never looked into the audio bits

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SpaceBass:

jduggan, asus has some nice ones

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justinh:

riiight. file naming sorted out, time to re-lip. not sitting here typing ALL day :P

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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justinh:

so. my wife's hotel room at the work conference had a telly in the bathroom. No. NO WE ARE NOT GETTING A TELLY FOR THE BATHROOM

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SpaceBass:

I'm about to buy an HDhomerun and just want to make sure I understand something....

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SpaceBass:

justinh, why not? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickdawson/126539010/

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justinh:

cos if there was a telly in there, there'd had to be a frontend in there too.. somehow :P

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SpaceBass:

all the cool kids are doing it

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** justinh is not a 'cool kid' and has no aspirations to be a 'cool kid' **

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SpaceBass:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickdawson/12653 . . . photostream/

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SpaceBass:

so with the HDhomerun and a mythtv backend, can I "stream" live HD tv to frontend devices?

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justinh:

SpaceBass: yup. assuming they have enough welly to play HD

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SpaceBass:

the other thing I'm trying to tackle – and I've always heard myth is not ideal for this – is to serve video files from a central server, with metadata and sorted, etc ...

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justinh:

I dunno where you heard that

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SpaceBass:

EG: lets say I have a bitcatching server that downloads content automatically from RSS feeds ... I'd love some way to catalogue it and serve it centrally with an interface like a tivo – watched/unwatched...sorted by season, show, etc

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SpaceBass:

justinh, glad I asked then... probably was misinformed

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justinh:

you can't currently do that

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justinh:

well er.. you kind of can.. if your aggregator sorts out the directories properly

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SpaceBass:

the challenge now (we have all OSX frontend devices) is that you have to mount a network drive, run an update script...its not very high on the spousal acceptance factor

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SpaceBass:

thats the challenge – so I would need to do the filing outside of myth?

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justinh:

yup

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SpaceBass:

theres the rub

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justinh:

fwiw, no other media centre software does it either

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SpaceBass:

theres an app in development for OSX, part of the frontrow framework, called Sapphire Browser – its quite close, but not perfect

[15:21:39]

SpaceBass:

I can point it at a directory with random files, it parses the names, scours for meta data and then presents them in "virtual directories" based on show, season ,etc

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justinh:

currently with mythtv you can only stream TV (live & recorded) from a backend to frontends

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justinh:

everything else can be served over network shares

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SpaceBass:

gotcha

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justinh:

you don't even necessarily have to scan directories to have it show up in mythvideo etc though

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SpaceBass:

so the next question is, with the HDhomerun do I even need myth, or should I just use the elgato software on each frontend?

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justinh:

depends what level of control you want

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justinh:

myth is more of a _recording_ app than it is a viewing app, and its features are heavily biased towards recording & the control thereof

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SpaceBass:

well we get 90% of our content via bitcatching ... but theres times we want to watch news or something live and rather than put a tuner on each mac mini frontend, I'd love a centralized option

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justinh:

as far as I know, very little even comes close when it comes to TV functionality

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justinh:

especially when it comes down to the level of sophistication of the scheduler

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SpaceBass:

gotcha

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justinh:

if the majority of things you'll be doing is playing back (AHEM!) downloaded media, maybe mythtv isn't right for you

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SpaceBass:

so in that regard, mythbackend could manage the recordings and I could use anything to play them... like VLC over a network drive

[15:26:13]

justinh:

up to a point, yes

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't save recordings with user-friendly filenames

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SpaceBass:

and for streaming Live TV... is myth overkill?

[15:26:44]

SpaceBass:

gotcha

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justinh:

you can use a script to create friendly symlinks though

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daddysmurf:

what's the point of playing stuff like that if you have such a kickass system to do it for you

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justinh:

live tv is so 20th century :)

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sphery:

daddysmurf: some people just don't want to take advantage of things like commercial skipping and timestretch and ...

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justinh:

if you want to watch the news, just schedule it to always be recorded & only keep a couple of editions, expiring old ones as it goes along

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SpaceBass:

I totally get the whole idea of recording ... I've had a TiVo for 8+ years...but there are times you want to channel surf or watching something like

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SpaceBass:

s/like/live

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sphery:

then you don't have to start watching it exactly when it starts airing--you can wait 10 minutes and then skip commercials or wait 28 minutes and skip commercials and boring parts of the news

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justinh:

there's never a time I want to channel surf in my experience. I wasted years of my life doing that & now I have more stuff to watch than I have time for

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sphery:

SpaceBass: what you didn't have with your TiVo was a way to record every show you might /possibly/ decide to watch. With Myth you can, and so surfing is no longer required

[15:29:56]

sphery:

(TiVo's have limited storage space, Myth's space is limited only by your budget)

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SpaceBass:

sphery, maybe thats something I am not fully grasphing

[15:30:14]

AndyCap:

it'll take a while. :)

[15:30:17]

justinh:

it takes a little bit of time to get to this stage, but that bad habit soon withers away

[15:30:43]

justinh:

my viewing habits are now based around shows, not channels :)

[15:30:54]

AndyCap:

to go from surfing channels to surfing mythweb.

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SpaceBass:

well I bought the HDhomerun – so at least I can start playing

[15:31:09]

SpaceBass:

see what I can learn :)

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sphery:

TV is so much better when you watch shows from the beginning on your schedule. And, when it comes to serials--like Lost or Heroes--where you have to watch in order, it's the only way to make the show worthwhile.

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jduggan:

justinh: does your wife channel surf

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justinh:

jduggan: not any more

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sphery:

If you record everything, you can do all that.

[15:32:10]

justinh:

whenever we go somewhere where myth isn't available it's like ARGHHH

[15:32:26]

sphery:

SpaceBass: and, you can actually watch a show as it records if you have to be able to post to the Lost forum as the show is revealed

[15:32:38]

justinh:

friends of ours think we're weird. Have you seen that advert? What – you've not seen it? OMG!

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SpaceBass:

I really truly do get the whole timeshifting concept – been doing it for years

[15:32:53]

SpaceBass:

I have no clue what day shows air

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jduggan:

justinh: you have comflagging working ? or you just skip forward 3/4 minutes

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SpaceBass:

justinh, we are the same way – people talk about ads at work and I have no clue

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justinh:

jduggan: commflagging doesn't work much so I gave up

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justinh:

4 minute skip is generally enough

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sphery:

yeah, I actually take my Myth recordings with me on my business trips. While others sit around the airport/airplane doing nothing, I watch good TV. While others in the hotel watch whatever happens to be airing on whatever channels the hotel makes available, I watch good TV.

[15:34:12]

sphery:

but commflagging works great in the US

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SpaceBass:

sphery, can you stream via VPN if you wanted to?

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justinh:

commflagging used to work brilliantly on Sky One, but we don't have that anymore

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justinh:

I've actually used mythweb to watch shows away from home before. Very watchable even with my limited upload pipe

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jduggan:

is it technical reasons why it sucks in the UK, or has nobody especially worked on it?

[15:35:07]

justinh:

jduggan: both

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sphery:

SpaceBass: if I had the upstream bandwidth... I only have 768kbps upstream, which would require recoding to a very low bitrate, which would require down-res'ing to a very small picture, which would mean the quality would be significantly worse than the HDTV I like to watch

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SpaceBass:

me has a 50mbs/15mbs pipe ... so Im usually limited by the other side

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SpaceBass:

hotels are notoriously slow

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justinh:

jduggan: the other week I discovered around 2 out of 3 commercial channels with subtitles actually have markings in the subtitles

[15:35:56]

jduggan:

ic so there is hope for the future

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SpaceBass:

sphery, so it doesnt transcode in real time?

[15:35:57]

justinh:

jduggan: but there's nothing *I* can do about it

[15:36:25]

sphery:

SpaceBass: But, with HDD's extremely cheap, it's easier/better quality to just copy the files to my laptop before the trip and be able to watch even when I don't have 'net access.

[15:36:25]

justinh:

SpaceBass: default mythweb streaming works fine with 512k upload ;)

[15:36:59]

SpaceBass:

sphery, gotcha

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sphery:

Besides, most hotel Internet connections have bandwidth limiting/low bandwidth/... problems

[15:37:19]

justinh:

I can count the number of times myth's been problematic in the last 4 years on one hand

[15:37:39]

SpaceBass:

I traveled for 6 years... hope to not do it again... we usually "pre load" on our laptops before we leave, but sometimes one of us is somewhere else after a show airs and it would be nice to stream it...although it works just as well to d/l it via vpn

[15:37:43]

justinh:

every time was my fault.. / was full, / was full, / was full & aerial connections were borked

[15:38:01]

sphery:

Oh, and I don't care to replace my backends with ones whose processors can transcode HDTV in real time.

[15:38:47]

sphery:

only my frontend can play HDTV in real time, so transcoding from a backend is out of the question

[15:39:00]

justinh:

even on my crappy broadband watching over mythweb is better than youtube :)

[15:39:22]

sphery:

that's true, but doesn't say a lot ;)

[15:39:58]

justinh:

argghhh you stinking freedb contributors. do NOT put artist names in the track titles

[15:40:15]

sphery:

do you correct the listings?

[15:40:45]

sphery:

I tried it with my Mom, but the program (on Windows) had issues 2/3 times

[15:41:58]

justinh:

EAC is sucking at editing the titles

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justinh:

sphery: yes I'm submitting corrections as I go along

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justinh:

it's a PITA to change titles in EAC though. Double-click.. triple-click.. just haven't got the knack yet

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gbee:

I've corrected listings a couple of times, but I forget how

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gbee:

think I just used a text editor

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justinh:

VA albums I can understand folks putting the Artist name in the track title

[15:55:11]

sphery:

the program I was using (BonkEnc) had a separate artist field for each track on the album--don't know if that's supported by freedb, though (maybe that's why we had problems)

[15:56:28]

gbee:

justinh: it's one reason I import through Myth, it will extract the artist name out of the title and into the artist field for VA

[15:56:52]

justinh:

not something I've done much even in anger, using myth to rip

[15:57:51]

gbee:

plus it automatically puts the tracks into the correct location with the correct file structure (in my case genre/artist/album/artist – trackname.mp3) and insert them into the database

[15:58:04]

gbee:

so it saves me a couple of steps

[16:00:26]

gbee:

why are fanless matx PSUs so hard to find?

[16:00:47]

justinh:

DC-DC converters, if you can get away with LESSWATTS

[16:01:21]

justinh:

unsightly power brick needed, but the price of silence is always high

[16:01:53]

gbee:

power brick is easy to hide

[16:02:41]

justinh:

those DC-DC things come in 250W flavours now

[16:03:06]

justinh:

I'm slightly skeptical though.. 250W power conversion on such a tiny board

[16:03:43]

gbee:

honestly don't know what Wattage I'd be able to get down to, I'm getting away with a 350W PSU now, but whether 250 or under would be ok?

[16:03:45]

janneg:

that's not less watts and the 250W power brick probably comes with fan

[16:03:48]

justinh:

still, they're using very expensive componentry which is a) how they make em so small and b) why they're so damn expensive

[16:04:26]

justinh:

very exotic inductors :)

[16:04:33]

janneg:

gbee: 250 are probably more than enough if you don't have a quad core cpu, tons of HDDs or many DVB-S cards

[16:04:58]

janneg:

or high end gfx card

[16:05:51]

justinh:

if the PSU rating is reliable – it's all about the combined load on various rails. a 350W PSU != another 350W PSU – I've even seen some '400W' PSUs that couldn't do the job of replacing a 180W model

[16:06:07]

gbee:

1xDVB-S, 1x dual DVB-T, 2x HDD, onboard GPU, Athlon 2x (65w TDP)

[16:06:13]

** gbee shrugs **

[16:06:28]

justinh:

250W might be about right

[16:07:33]

gbee:

not looking for something expensive though, I don't value silence that highly :) It's not as though the fans are audible over the tv audio or even normal conversation

[16:08:17]

justinh:

most MATX PSUs I've seen had variable speed fannings so only got noisy when hot

[16:08:23]

justinh:

and then, not even that noisy

[16:08:59]

gbee:

yeah, could be that the noise is actually the CPU fan, hard to tell

[16:09:11]

Dibblah:

Stick a finger on it :)

[16:09:37]

gbee:

I can more easily replace the PSU – the CPU fan is supposed to be a quiet one already

[16:10:06]

justinh:

my HSF in the frontend is a custom job

[16:10:10]

justinh:

very custom indeed

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iamlindoro_:

clever-custom, or actual-custom? ;)

[16:17:57]

laga:

haha

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justinh:

actual-custom

[16:18:22]

justinh:

still a bit heath-robinson though

[16:18:28]

laga:

god, that dealextreme "new items" RSS feed always cracks me up

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[16:19:17]

** laga orders some iFones **

[16:20:19]

justinh:

whee xbox360 arcade now £129.99 – I might have to treat myself

[16:20:24]

iamlindoro_:

apparently from looking at that RSS you can also get a "HiPhone" and a "MiPhone."

[16:20:31]

justinh:

and end up with yet another console we never use

[16:20:34]

laga:

iamlindoro_: yes.

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** justinh wants an eYePhone **

[16:20:54]

laga:

justinh: i bought a PS2. enough consoles i'm not using :)

[16:21:15]

iamlindoro_:

Some of these things are more definitely *not* deals

[16:21:30]

iamlindoro_:

$60 for PS3 games? Uhh, that's what PS3 games *cost*!

[16:21:46]

justinh:

jeesus. just went to correct a freedb spelling mistake & it's spelled like that on the album

[16:21:50]

justinh:

:-\

[16:25:51]

justinh:

rofl. I know what *I* want for christmas: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q91FTyp4mZc

[16:29:04]

laga:

justinh: better: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GYGhmJD9LKc&feature=related

[16:29:07]

laga:

"it tickles"

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, complete with serial cabl ehanging out the back and tripod third leg?

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justinh:

effing chuff. something a teensy bit sinister about http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GYGhmJD9LKc&feature=related

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laga:

it's so wrong

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iamlindoro_:

I actually think it *should* require a serial interface, just to send millions of irritated parents into computer stores looking for increasingly-hard-to-find serial interfaces

[16:32:01]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: have you already seen http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5836?

[16:32:34]

iamlindoro_:

janneg, Ah, no, I knew it was on the way but didn't see he had opened a ticket yet

[16:32:45]

iamlindoro_:

I will apply today sometime and play with it

[16:34:38]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq gets the well commented code award of the day

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janneg:

I would say overly commented but it's fine in this case, might help to understand the h.264 specs

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iamlindoro_:

lots of comments helps the slow kids like me :)

[16:39:07]

GlemSom:

Are their any dvb-radio plugins for mythtv?

[16:43:02]

iamlindoro_:

No. Although if it's anything like audio-only channels in the USA, you can probably get them to *sometimes* work using the TV portion of Myth

[16:43:07]

justinh:

you don't need a plugin for dvb radio to work

[16:43:26]

justinh:

I record a lot of dvb radio

[16:43:53]

justinh:

then export it to a shared dir with a user job & take it to play in the car

[16:44:11]

justinh:

scripts to generate podcasts from dvb radio recordings are available too

[16:45:01]

GlemSom:

Well, I cannot tune into a radio station here... MythTV complains about missing video stream...

[16:46:02]

justinh:

maybe how dvb radio works in the UK is because the channels have mheg data, I dunno

[16:46:26]

justinh:

all my radio stuff is scheduled recordings. don't do anything live with mythtv

[16:50:06]

janneg:

no, dvb radio works also without mheg

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janneg:

GlemSom: can you paste the backend log with -v channel,record,siparser to http://rafb.net/paste/?

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GlemSom:

janneg, My mediecenter is turned off atm... (Need to install a second tuner)... I'll have a look at it later tonight – or tomorow

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janneg:

GlemSom: sure

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wolfspirit:

is there anyway to tell mythtv to show channels with a partial lock?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using multiple SA3250's? if so what script are you using to change channels?

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squish102:

any1 have a AVerMedia M780 PCIe running on mythtv?

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squish102:

thinking of getting one, but trying to find out if it is supported

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squish102:

nvm, looks unsuported... although a great price $30 for a hardware encoded card

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squish102:

what is the closed free application like mythtv that runs on windows?

[17:58:22]

squish102:

*closest

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Led-Hed:

SageTV

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Led-Hed:

or MCE

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kormoc:

or mythtv

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Led-Hed:

if you can compile it

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, the backend doesnt run on windows does it?

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kormoc:

likely not

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Led-Hed:

I would be more interested in a Windows based Backend than frontend

[18:00:58]

Led-Hed:

Windows backend would be cool, because of all the driver support

[18:02:55]

squish102:

Led-Hed exactly where I am heading

[18:03:14]

Led-Hed:

squish102, dont hold your breath though

[18:03:25]

squish102:

although do windows drives support clear QAM?

[18:04:11]

Led-Hed:

squish102, not that I know of. Though I think OEM's are making CableCard adapters for Certified MCE PC's

[18:04:32]

Led-Hed:

BBIAB

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Gumby:

hey all, I am trying to get it so Recorded Programs in mythfrontend does not display a specific recording group without a password. I have the group set up so that when a user selects it they are prompted for a password, but if the user simply selects "All Programs" from the "Select Group Filter" all programs are shown including those in the password protected group

[18:14:57]

Gumby:

Is this a flaw? Or have I done something wrong?

[18:17:47]

Led-Hed:

sounds like parental controls

[18:18:16]

kormoc:

It's how it's coded, so it's not really a 'flaw', not is it really something done wrong

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Gumby:

but thats how its intended/supposed/expected to work in its current implementation? A user can circumvent entering the password for a group by simply chosing all groups?

[18:19:57]

Gumby:

sorry, All Programs

[18:21:08]

kormoc:

welp, patches are accepted!

[18:21:58]

Gumby:

lol, I am just asking.

[18:22:04]

Gumby:

not criticizing

[18:23:37]

gbee:

password All Programs :)

[18:23:59]

Gumby:

I'd assume that the end goal is to have it so a user can be locked out of specific playback/recording groups. I may be wrong here though.

[18:24:02]

Gumby:

gbee: lol

[18:24:43]

gbee:

there is a default group to which all recordings normally go, which should be used instead

[18:24:56]

gbee:

All Programmes does as it says on the tin

[18:25:26]

Gumby:

right, but any user who picks up the remove can press the button to bring up the "Recording List Menu" and select all programs

[18:25:30]

gbee:

so hide All Programmes from the default views and password it, Set Default to be the default shown group instead

[18:25:46]

gbee:

no they can't, not if it's passworded

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_darthy:

hi

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Gumby:

ah, good point

[18:26:20]

_darthy:

does anyone had problems with the backend and the oom-killer yet?

[18:28:14]

Gumby:

gbee: see, I knew I must just be missing something :) Thanks

[18:28:18]

Dagmar:

No. We know to buy enough RAM.

[18:28:46]

gbee:

Gumby: it's not perfect, but it does work

[18:29:10]

gbee:

at some point a unified and better parental/user based system will be added

[18:30:00]

gbee:

Dagmar: there is a known, but so far unsolved backend memory leak – tends to be seen more by people who recording multiple channels 24x7

[18:30:11]

gbee:

are

[18:30:38]

Dagmar:

gbee: The big zero for the first digit of the release number makes that not a suprise

[18:31:03]

gbee:

none of the devs have seen it and it seems rare, possibly related to bad signals or certain broadcasters/networks

[18:31:05]

Gumby:

well, this now works as I'd expect it. The only one feature that would be nice is if you were allowed to hide groups in "Change Group Filter" hehe. But that might be a bit too demanding

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Gumby:

maybe an option called "View All Groups" that is password protected

[18:32:20]

Gumby:

but again, I cant complain as I cant code :)

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Dagmar:

s/View All Groups/Show All Porn/

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Gumby:

lol, indeed

[18:38:22]

scant:

I updated my nvidia drivers and upon reboot at startup, mythtv-backend seg faults...

[18:38:27]

Gumby:

allthough, it could be used in other cases as well.

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clev:

Gumby: i thought i could pass protect the 'all groups' one when i was playing with it

[18:41:38]

Gumby:

clev: yes, gbee clued me into that one already

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justinh:

squish102: mediaportal is the nearest thing they have & it sucks

[19:00:49]

justinh:

and just because something has windows drivers, doesn't necessarily follow you can count on them being reliable

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justinh:

the whole reason I ended up using linux was because of windows tv tuner drivers :D

[19:03:24]

iamlindoro_:

Also, chicks dig us

[19:04:03]

laga:

no.

[19:04:15]

iamlindoro_:

ok, me. ;)

[19:04:29]

laga:

you dig us?

[19:04:44]

iamlindoro_:

well, *you*, sure, laga.

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laga:

ohy. *blushes*

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smithna:

Anyone know how to figure out what number to pass via the -aid switch to get an English audio stream off of a blu-ray h264 rip (backup from blu-ray disk)

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smithna:

VC-1 files seem to work fine with -aid 4352, and some h264 files work with that as well.... But some don't and even using the # to switch through audio streams doesn't result in an English stream.

[19:12:36]

iamlindoro_:

Why not ask in the channel related to the tool in question, ie #mplayer?

[19:13:10]

** smithna not sure why he didn't do that first... **

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iamlindoro_:

Your real problem is likely that you don't have a recent enough build to have support for the HD audio formats, and even when you do, you need to manually set the demuxer/audio codec

[19:14:59]

iamlindoro_:

but anyway, follow up on that in #mplayer

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smithna:

will do

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iamlindoro_:

BTW for anyone looking for a lightweight HD frontend with great linux hardware support/HDMI/audio via HDMI, I got a 2.2 Ghz C2D Refurb Dell Studio Hybrid for $320 (380 after shipping and tax) yesterday via the Dell Online Outlet.

[19:27:07]

iamlindoro_:

Intel Graphics, 2 GB RAM, 250 GB HDD, HDMI, digital audio, and about the size of an external DVD drive

[19:27:21]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.dell.com/hybrid

[19:27:50]

iamlindoro_:

http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topi . . . id&s=dfh

[19:27:55]

iamlindoro_:

for the refurbs

[19:28:00]

fignuts:

i was about to ask you if dell is paying you for this :P

[19:28:04]

fignuts:

but tahnks for the links, that's slick as shit

[19:28:35]

iamlindoro_:

20% off coupon on top of that

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/138533

[19:29:36]

iamlindoro_:

According to that last link, you can get one for $250 (1.86 Ghz C2D) with that coupon

[19:30:02]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, coupon expires today, so if anyone's in the market...

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fignuts:

i almost wanna trade in my msi media live

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fignuts:

but it'll make a good second front end in the future

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Gumby:

if I have two sources and both have some of the same channel numbers, what happens to channels when a duplicate is scanned? Does it get overwritten?

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Gumby:

I can renumber the channels, but I want to renumber the channels of the source I have not yet scanned and I dont want a scan of that source to ruin my other sources channels (hopefully this makes sense)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here familiar with the UPnP mechanisms? I have TS recordings shared over the network that play in spanish (the 2nd audio track) if played back via a UPnP server in MythTV – I can't seem to find any way to change that – any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine thats dependant on the player

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wagnerrp:

my ps3 offers the ability to change the audio track via the on screen menu

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GreyFoxx:

the upnp server literally serves the file as is. There is no difference between it and downloading via a webserver

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wagnerrp:

its actually served over http isnt it?

[19:52:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: The 'audio track' button on the player doesn't show any other tracks, so I'm kinda assuming that the simple UPnP server in myth isn't passing the info to the player... (just a presumption at this point – i could be completly wrong)

[19:52:22]

GreyFoxx:

http over udp

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Ok, so it's something with the player than...

[19:52:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

er.. then...

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GreyFoxx:

j-e-f: The server dpoesn't tell the player anything in regards to the files contents

[19:52:52]

GreyFoxx:

the player reads it to figure out what's in it

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GreyFoxx:

yeah a player thing

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i have chosen the audio track with this method from a file in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine the recorded video behaves any differently

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** J-e-f-f-A should just get off his A$$ and setup more frontends again... **

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justinh:

the upnp server serves the _file_

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justinh:

it doesn't parse the stream at all

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justinh:

that's up to the player

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, thanks justinh and GreyFoxx — I figured that was the case....

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I can choose the audio track within myth Video (IIRC), but not on the uPNP player... Guess I've just put off putting together a 'real' frontend for my son's room too long...

[19:57:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Probably because it's a HD uPNP player... which is cheaper than building a HD-capable frontend... ;-)

[19:57:19]

wagnerrp:

i mean i ripped a dvd, including commentary, stuck it in mythvideo, and played it over upnp to my ps3

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wagnerrp:

and could change the track

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fryfrog:

anyone using chrome with their mythweb?

[19:58:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

The other oddity I have with upnp is that if I use more than one upnp device at a time, only the 1st device to connect to the backend works...

[19:58:38]

fryfrog:

it hates a few little things

[20:00:25]

smil3y:

can anyone briefly explain why I can take cable tv in to pvr150 and watch it through myth, but cannot through HDHR? the signal is encrypted so why can the pvr 150 decode it, and the HDHR cant?

[20:00:51]

fryfrog:

smil3y: one is digital, one is analog

[20:00:57]

wagnerrp:

the 150 is analog, the hdhr is digital

[20:01:01]

fryfrog:

the pvr150 is getting plain old, unencrypted analog

[20:01:12]

fryfrog:

the hdhr is digital and you'll only get the unencrypted digital junk

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Dagmar:

comma splice!

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wagnerrp:

your cheapest option is to just use the 150 to run analog capture on your STB

[20:02:17]

fryfrog:

if he has an STB

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wagnerrp:

from there, you can buy a firewire card (or use a port on your board), and try to capture firewire from the STB

[20:02:26]

smil3y:

when I scan for channels though on the HDHR it says the ones below 99 are encrypted, so how does the pvr 150 play them?

[20:02:37]

wagnerrp:

and beyond that, you can get a HDPVR, its an external HD analog capture box

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fryfrog:

smil3y: *analog*

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fryfrog:

smil3y: the HDHR has no analog tuner, *JUST* digital

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wagnerrp:

the 150 captures analog, the hdhr captures digital

[20:02:55]

wagnerrp:

completely different

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smil3y:

so theres separate analog AND digital signal coming through the cable to the house?

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fryfrog:

yurp

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wagnerrp:

ding ding ding

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smil3y:

for the same channels?

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fryfrog:

in fact, the digital channels are *inside* analog channels

[20:03:36]

wagnerrp:

just like how there are separate analog and digital broadcast channels

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fryfrog:

sort of

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wagnerrp:

the digital runs on a different frequency range

[20:03:53]

fryfrog:

they cram 2 or 3 digital signals into the space of a single analog channel

[20:04:04]

smil3y:

ah! forgive me, been using myth for a couple years, but guess was misleaded when I picked up an HDHR

[20:04:18]

wagnerrp:

hdhr can pick up broadcast ATSC, and clear QAM

[20:04:25]

smil3y:

just been using a couple pvr150s for quite a while

[20:04:26]

fryfrog:

"channels" above what, like 80? are generally used for digital

[20:04:36]

fryfrog:

yeah, capturing digital cable is rape

[20:04:46]

fryfrog:

you either need an STB that has firewire (that works well)

[20:05:02]

fryfrog:

to live with "digital" or "hd" that is downgraded to svideo and catpured with a pvr150 type card

[20:05:03]

wagnerrp:

you can hope for unencrypted channels, you can hope for unencrypted firewire

[20:05:16]

fryfrog:

or an hd-pvr, which is a new h264 usb component input device.

[20:05:20]

wagnerrp:

but the only guaranteed options for digital cable is analog capture off the STB

[20:05:36]

wagnerrp:

either using your 150s (for SD), or using an HDPVR (for HD)

[20:05:55]

smil3y:

yeah, from what I understand, Ill look in to the HD-PVR, been following it ocassionaly on the mailing list

[20:06:08]

fryfrog:

i am personally waiting until 0.22 comes out

[20:06:20]

fryfrog:

they are like $250 still too, so hopefully they'll come down a bit by then too

[20:07:59]

smil3y:

so then theres nothing sent analog on cable above say channel 99 or so right, thats why you have to capture off the STB with an HDPVR

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iamlindoro_:

Do not rely on the mailing list for HD-PVR info

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fryfrog:

yup

[20:08:20]

iamlindoro_:

those people are easily the dumbest shits I have ever seen

[20:08:24]

fryfrog:

though i think it is more like channel 80ish

[20:08:30]

laga:

oh hai, how many megahurtz do i need for HD?

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Gumby:

depends on the HD

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fryfrog:

i think laga was making sarcasm

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laga:

kthx

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iamlindoro_:

indeed he was

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Blaidd:

Can anyone recommend a place to buy serial IR blasters?

[20:09:39]

Gumby:

hehe, sorry. wasnt following the conversation

[20:09:43]

laga:

;)

[20:10:03]

Gumby:

Ive asked that question though *blush*

[20:10:04]

wagnerrp:

is the UIRT still made?

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Dagmar:

Blaidd: wiki.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

I'm damn sure there's links in there

[20:10:27]

Blaidd:

Dagmar: I'll check it out to see. Thanks

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smil3y:

ok, thanks guys, I asked that same ? on th elist and all I get is a bunch of people pounding chests

[20:12:16]

Dagmar:

You would have better luck if you actually used a search engine to do research *before* asking questions of people that require detailed and complex answers.

[20:13:16]

Dagmar:

It's clear you still don't actually know that a TV doesn't run on pixie dust.

[20:14:07]

laga:

older CRT devices run on magic smoke

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Gumby:

whats pixie dust?

[20:14:21]

wagnerrp:

thats the stuff that lets you transmit candy bars

[20:14:44]

Dagmar:

It makes you think you can fly.

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laga:

that's cocaine

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Dagmar:

No, cocaine just makes people think that talking too loud and having a red nose is attractive

[20:15:53]

Dagmar:

Ive never seen it convince anyone they could fly

[20:16:12]

Dagmar:

Someone should arrest that damn Peter kid before someone gets hurt

[20:16:16]

** iamlindoro_ snorts some cheese **

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wagnerrp:

real cheese? or the stuff in the spray can?

[20:18:04]

Dagmar:

Geez.

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Dagmar:

Use your head.

[20:18:16]

Dagmar:

If it were in the spray can, would he really have to snort it?

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laga:

direct injection cheese.

[20:18:29]

laga:

awesome

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Dagmar:

Why you think they call it "Easy Cheeze"

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wagnerrp:

well if he didnt snort, it would just get stuck in his nose

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iamlindoro_:

it's fon 2 due

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Dagmar:

Those cans are pretty hevily pressurized

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joran:

hi guys, got an epg question....

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joran:

I know when I go into the backend tools, when I exit, it prompts me to run mythfilldb, but should I be running this at intervals too or will the epg auto-update anyway?

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Dagmar:

When you've gone through all the frontend's setup menus, you won't need to ask that anymore.

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laga:

you will also be insane

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joran:

Dagmar: I don't intend using the frontend at all, please enlighten me. :-)

[21:06:54]

Dagmar:

Then you're in the wrong damn channel

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joran:

sorry, I thought this was a mythtv support channel?

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Dagmar:

Yeah and ther'es no "I'm just using hte backend and not the frontend"

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Dagmar:

Plus, support is based on whether or not anyone who is watching gives a damn about your problem

[21:09:44]

joran:

I'm using a different frontend

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Dagmar:

Then that's not supported.

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jduggan:

is anyone in here using a frontend case of a dvd player formfactor?

[21:10:20]

Dagmar:

...and as an added bonus, I'm ain't explaining it further.

[21:11:32]

joran:

Dagmar: I'm after support on the backend, you're evading the question, hopefully someone else will answer it as you're obviously incapable of doing so in a sensible manner.

[21:11:39]

Dagmar:

joran: Good luck with that

[21:11:55]

Dagmar:

If you want to fully configure the backend, you get to do it through the frontend.

[21:12:12]

Dagmar:

If you're too lazy to read the documentation, I hope you enjoy missing shows

[21:12:36]

Dagmar:

...and I'm not "evading" the question. I'm flatly refusing to answer because it's a waste of time.

[21:12:43]

joran:

Dagmar: The documentation obviously has some flaws, or I wouldn't be here.

[21:12:46]

Dagmar:

Run the frontend.

[21:12:53]

joran:

I have run the frontend

[21:12:59]

Dagmar:

No, you need to go to http://www.rif.org apparently.

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joran:

not quite Dagmar, just because the person who wrote the documentation understands the concepts does not mean that the readers of such can do from what is written.

[21:14:51]

Dagmar:

Then you're retarded.

[21:14:56]

Dagmar:

There's no other way to say it.

[21:15:11]

Dagmar:

The documentation is written at approzimately high-school level.

[21:15:28]

Dagmar:

Your ability to continue whining will only win you a spot in the ignore list.

[21:15:29]

joran:

Dagmar: can I suggest that you refrain from value judgments if you are to give useful support to users.

[21:15:30]

Dagmar:

Congrats.

[21:15:52]

Dagmar:

I thought RUN THE FRONTEND was pretty useful.

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joran:

Dagmar: I have already stated I have done that.

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Dagmar:

I was very clear that RUNNING THE FRONTEND gives you access to THE FRONTEND SETUP MENUS which also happen to CONFIGURE PARTS OF THE BACKEND.

[21:16:31]

Dagmar:

None of those words are more than three syllables long.

[21:16:45]

Dagmar:

If you don't understand them, complain to your parents for not making you read.

[21:16:56]

joran:

indeed, and it is all very well saying that they configure the backend however, that does not answer the question I originally posed.

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Dagmar:

<-- is 100% immune to passive-aggressive bullshit.

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kormoc:

joran, mythfilldatabase is used for some guide data updates, but not all, so it depends on where you are getting your guide data

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joran:

kormoc: thankyou, I'm getting them from the DVB-T listings, via EIT, should I be cronning the filldatabase or will the backend scrape that data for me regularly?

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joran:

kormoc: and thankyou for attempting to help

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kormoc:

joran, EIT shouldn't require mythfilldatabase as far as I know

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joran:

kormoc: thanks :-)

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase is also responsible for general housekeeping tasks IIRC, not just EPG data refills

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joran:

justinh: hmm... in that case it sounds like it aught to be cron'd for other reasons. that housekeeping

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joran:

looking at it from the other direction... is there any disadvantage to cronning it to daily?

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justinh:

other than the fact I think it'll be run daily by default anyway

[21:29:25]

Dr_Cherry:

I'm having a problem similar to this 2.6.26 kernel bug: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iew_threaded , has that ever been resolved?

[21:29:30]

laga:

didn't the housekeeping get moved into the backend?

[21:29:48]

laga:

Dr_Cherry: i think there's a patch for that

[21:30:15]

laga:

Dr_Cherry: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5608

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justinh:

laga: I dunno, that's why I said IIRC ;)

[21:31:14]

laga:

heh

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Dr_Cherry:

thx laga, I think that's it.

[21:31:28]

justinh:

I don't know _everything_ ya knows :P

[21:34:07]

Dr_Cherry:

is that "patch" simply commenting out that one line?

[21:34:42]

laga:

yeah

[21:35:22]

Dr_Cherry:

this sucker takes so long to make

[21:35:35]

laga:

ccache, distcc, moar megaherrtz

[21:35:36]

laga:

-r

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tritium:

Hello. I have a DViCO Fusion 5 RT Gold, working just fine for ATSC reception. I added composite video and analog audio out from my DirecTV box into the inputs to the card's external cable, and can see video just fine, but cannot hear any audio. Analog out from card is connected to AUX input on mobo. I've checked alsamixer capture settings, and don't see any problems. Any suggestions?

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justinh:

oh dear. yet another failgrabber

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justinh:

when you say you don't see any problems do you mean that the aux channel is set to capture ?

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tritium:

justinh: failgrabber?

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justinh:

framegrabber. aka software encoding. world of fail

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tritium:

Hmm, so you see this often?

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justinh:

too often

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tritium:

I see. Regarding the capture settings, I've made sure nothing is muted, and volumes are up.

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justinh:

what about if you unmute the aux input in the playback section of alsamixer? you hear it then?

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tritium:

No, I've tried that. It's unmuted, and at 100% volume.

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justinh:

and how about when mythbackend is stopped – can you record audio from that audio input?

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tritium:

Let me check now. Using arecord?

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Dagmar:

I'd test with TVTime

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justinh:

so, if you don't hear audio when you unmute the channel in the playback section of alsamixer, you ain't getting audio on that input – end of

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tritium:

TVTime, zapping and xawtv all see the video, but none get audio.

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justinh:

check your cabling

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tritium:

But, let me first shut down backend and try again.

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justinh:

try a different audio input

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justinh:

fyi the 'aux' input is usually one on the board, not a 3.5mm stereo jack socket

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tritium:

Cabling looks good. Yes, I only have the one input on the mobo to connect to — I can't change it.

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justinh:

the socket on the panel would be the LINE input

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Dagmar:

He said he connected the audio out from the DirectTV box to his tuner card

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tritium:

I could work a cabling solution, perhaps (RCA -> 3.5mm) if I had to.

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justinh:

ah

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tritium:

Yes, RCA outs to the audio input on the dongle/cable input to the DViCO.

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justinh:

tritium: connect the audio cable from the STB to the soundcard. not through the tuner

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tritium:

And the DViCO analog audio out to the mobo.

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tritium:

justinh: good suggestion. I was hoping to aviod such a workaround, but I will do so if it works.

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justinh:

since you're not using the tuner on the dvico for analogue duties, no need for all that audio patching

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tritium:

Fair enough.

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justinh:

anyway, taking that into account suggests your problem is one of the tuner's audio path remaining muted. v4lctl unmute or something akin to that is necessary

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tritium:

Yeah, even with backend stopped, TVtime gets no audio.

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justinh:

but then, I'd have thought that tvtime would do that for you

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justinh:

if you're not using the dvico for analogue tuning, just go directly to soundcard with your directv audio

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tritium:

I can try that. Will just have to buy some cables/adapters.

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justinh:

I have zillions of RCA to 1/8" jack cables

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justinh:

I remember buying one or two, but I've got boxes full of them here

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tritium:

It's a less satisfying solution (workaround), but if nothing else works, I'll give it a go.

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tritium:

"v4lctl list" shows mute "off" for NTSC-M

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Led-Hed:

where can I find the xml file that mythfilldatabase uses? I want to delete non HD channels

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Led-Hed:

or is there a batter way?

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kormoc:

Where do you get your guide data?

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, schedulesDirect

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kormoc:

so... you download a new xml listings file every day and you want to delete the channels from it every day?

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Led-Hed:

not really, but I was told that there was a setting that would prevent it from adding new channels

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Led-Hed:

--remove-new-channels

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kormoc:

sure, or you could log into SD and customize your channel lineup so you don't get sent any extra channels too

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, ok, I didnt know I could edit the lineup there

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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Led-Hed:

my finger is gonna wear out

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Led-Hed:

:)

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Led-Hed:

Is there a way to force the LiveTV Input Source to be Input 5 (Firewire) on CH 700–800

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Led-Hed:

I cant cap SD channels via firewire, and my frontend locks up if I try to tune to anything but HD channels with the firewire input

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clev:

make 2 'video sources' (sets of channels) and connect 1 to each input

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Led-Hed:

clev, what do you mean connect 1 to each input?

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clev:

you have 1 'video source' with only hd channels, connected to the firewire input

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Led-Hed:

I have Cable, and HD as my 2 listing sources

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clev:

then you have a 2nd one with only the SD channels, connected to the sd input

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kormoc:

if channels 700–800 only exist on the firewire source, it can't turn to them without using the firewire source, no?

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Led-Hed:

thats how I have it now. Maybe once I remove the non HD channels from the HD listing source it will work properly.

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Led-Hed:

kormoc, but schedulesdirect list all channels 1–999 on my HD listing source

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Led-Hed:

I'll try deleting the channels and see how it works out.

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Gumby:

if I have two sources and both have some of the same channel numbers, what happens to channels when a duplicate is scanned? Does it get overwritten?

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Gumby:

I can renumber the channels, but I want to renumber the channels of the source I have not yet scanned and I dont want a scan of that source to ruin my other sources channels (hopefully this makes sense)

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Dagmar:

They're not identified by channel numbers, so, no problme.

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Gumby:

ok cool thanks

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xv6800:

hi can someone please help newbie in fixing audio problem in mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

And that concludes this lesson on how effective asking to ask a question is, instead of just asking it.

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xv6800:

thanks iamlindoro_ ... fixed.

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xv6800:

iamlindoro_ u know how to get subtitle on NA?

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iamlindoro_:

Narcotics Anonymous?

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iamlindoro_:

You'd have to get them to write all that stuff down, first.

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iamlindoro_:

But I'll go out on a limb and say that you mean *in* North america

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xv6800:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

in which case it's just like enabling subtitles anywhere else

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iamlindoro_:

start playback, press M for menu, and use the relevant menu setting

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Dagmar:

Normal closed captioning

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xv6800:

thanks learn something new M ;)

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iamlindoro_:

If that's new to you, and not trying to be crass here, you *really* owe it to yourself to read the manual

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iamlindoro_:

even if it's only the "everyday use" section

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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xv6800:

believe me I tried that

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xv6800:

somehow NA DVB-S is different I think.

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iamlindoro_:

No. It's not.

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xv6800:

vdr wasn't able to show subtitle before

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xv6800:

probider send subtitle info differently in stream.

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iamlindoro_:

No. They don't.

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iamlindoro_:

It's either DVB-S or it's not.

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xv6800:

even MT and other software on Windows needed plug-in until few months back.

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iamlindoro_:

This conversation is crying out "I'm stealing satellite, please sto ptalking to me..." So I will.

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xv6800:

wow that's loud. word is testing for edu. purpose.

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Dagmar:

Hahah

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Dagmar:

Do you think we're retarded?

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Dagmar:

Fuck off, kid.

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Dagmar:

The "word" is "stealing satellite broadcast service"

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iamlindoro_:

This is like all those celebrities who got caught smoking crack and said they were "researching roles."

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jams:

Dagmar- please watch your language, this is supposed to be a family friendly channel

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Dagmar:

Then that should apply to crime as well

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Dagmar:

As an actual hacker, I can assure you I find claiming "educational purposes" for something that is base theft *far* more offensive

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iamlindoro_:

ugh, the Dell Outlet online store ships slowwwwwwwww

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iamlindoro_:

They predict Wednesday for shipping

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iamlindoro_:

What's that about? Drop that bad boy in a box and ship 'er!

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Dagmar:

They don't do anything on the weekends

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iamlindoro_:

I ordered yesterday AM

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iamlindoro_:

I could see Monday, though, but Wednesday? Ew.

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Dagmar:

You should have paid them that extra $5 for "expedited" service then

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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xv6800:

under mythtv-setup, VBI type, i chose NTSC closed captions

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xv6800:

thanks iamlindoro_ for help.

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jblack:

Isn't education a pillar of fair use?

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Dagmar:

Not when it's a bald-faced lie.

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Dagmar:

Iamlindoro called him on it, and he all but admitted it.

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Dagmar:

...and to say something like that makes life much harder for actual hackers who *are* doing things for educational purposes.

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Dagmar:

I have a couple of red boxes, still. I made them myself to see whether or not particularly techniques would work.

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Dagmar:

Each one was used once.

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Dagmar:

They were definitely for educational purposes.

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Dagmar:

Someone pirating satellite, and pestering other people for answers about it isn't doing it for "educational purposes". They're doing it so they don't have to pay for TV.

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jblack:

Airwaves are public property in the US.

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Dagmar:

What's that got to do with it?

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jblack:

I'm working on a coherent response.

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Dagmar:

I'll help you out

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you can watch the ENCRYPTED signal all day long

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Dagmar:

You're legally entitled to watch all the particolored snow you can handle.

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Dagmar:

Deccrypting it to watch it is illegal. Deal with it.

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jblack:

I'm all for reverse engineering.

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Dagmar:

*Education* is how I can tell the difference between where I might be breaking the law and where I woulnd't be.

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jblack:

You said you built a red box, and used it?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

You have a problem with tat?

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jblack:

No, but I'd think you would. It seems suspicious to draw the line just on the other side of where you stand.

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Dagmar:

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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Dagmar:

Did you not just see me say I tested each one once?

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Dagmar:

I even called my own bloody *house* when I did it.

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jblack:

I'm trying to remember which one is red. That's a coin insert tone generator, right?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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jblack:

Ok, yeah, I have a problme with that.

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Dagmar:

Too bad.

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Dagmar:

Now I get to call you a hypcrite for being for "reverse engineering"

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Dagmar:

Someone whose been stealing satellite for months isn't doing it for "educational purposes".

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jblack:

Oh, there's no problem in using one. I'd have no problem if you snooped on cell calls until you turned blue.

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jblack:

Pardon, building one.

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Dagmar:

If they were doing that for "educational purposes" they'd do it, see that it works, and then stop

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jblack:

the distinction I see is using private property without permission (I don't see how the number of uses, or where you called, makes a difference).

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Dagmar:

You lie.

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jblack:

About, what?

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