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| [00:58:38] | fuxxy: | Has anyone had experience with a SB Audigy4 and digital passthrough? |
| [00:59:52] | fuxxy: | At the moment, I can only imagine digital surround from DVD.. Does digital TV support surround sound 5.1? |
| [01:02:18] | iamlindoro: | Yes, in the US some (but not all) digital transmissions have surround sound. |
| [01:04:49] | fuxxy: | hmm |
| [01:05:03] | fuxxy: | I just bought a 5.1 reciever, I have no idea where to start :) |
| [01:05:13] | hachi: | my digital channel inputs are showing the top two scanlines, is there anything I can do to hide these? |
| [01:05:27] | hachi: | or is it top four, I don't even know |
| [01:06:03] | iamlindoro: | enable overscan on your television or zoom by a percent or two in TV Settings->Playback |
| [01:06:15] | hachi: | my TV is being driven via HDMI |
| [01:06:17] | hachi: | I can't overscan |
| [01:06:28] | iamlindoro: | HDMI most certainly does have overscan |
| [01:06:57] | hachi: | really? I've never seen that in my resolution list |
| [01:07:36] | iamlindoro: | overscan and resolution have nothing to do with one another |
| [01:07:47] | tjcarter: | okay, I've been looking for 10 minutes now.. Is there any point to buying an ESA fan controller for a new Myth backend? |
| [01:07:49] | iamlindoro: | anyway, like I said, it's not the only way to solve the problem |
| [01:07:50] | hachi: | how do you enable it on a TMDS output though? |
| [01:08:08] | iamlindoro: | Overscan isn't enabled on the signal source, it's enabled on the display |
| [01:09:06] | tjcarter: | This particular doohickey(TM) lacks onboard controls, so it would have to be configured using USB HID stuff. Does lm-sensors even know wtf a USB HID is? |
| [01:09:21] | tjcarter: | It usually works with random 1wire protocols and stuff ;) |
| [01:09:34] | hachi: | how do you do selective output settings based on source? |
| [01:09:40] | hachi: | what's the term for that I mean |
| [01:09:59] | iamlindoro: | You don't. |
| [01:10:21] | hachi: | my other sources are just fine though |
| [01:10:24] | hachi: | I don't want to zoom on them |
| [01:10:26] | iamlindoro: | You can zoom the image by a percent or two with myth settings, but that is universal. |
| [01:10:42] | fuxxy: | I'm currently running Mythtv frontend and backend on a gentoo installation.. The box takes FOREVER to load to GUI, is there another mythtv distro that loads faster? |
| [01:10:43] | iamlindoro: | You will never notice a percent or two on your other sources. |
| [01:13:28] | iamlindoro: | Nothing that emphasises fast boot--- you'd be better served just stripping out all non essential services |
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| [01:25:28] | squish102: | would running vncserver cause any problems with video drivers causing display to be very slow? |
| [01:26:07] | squish102: | on the primary display :0 |
| [01:29:27] | iamlindoro: | Doubtful. |
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| [01:46:27] | scant: | hi all |
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| [01:47:48] | scant: | is this channel logged? |
| [01:50:39] | roz_: | myth frontend is not seeing my alsa device. My sound in KDE is working |
| [01:51:46] | scant: | what do you mean it's not seeing your alsa device? |
| [01:52:03] | scant: | have you tried ALSA:default? |
| [01:52:16] | roz_: | the sound device field is blank. There is nothing to choose |
| [01:52:24] | roz_: | In the general setup |
| [01:52:41] | scant: | I think you can type in whatever you want |
| [01:52:59] | roz_: | type in ALSA:default? |
| [01:53:04] | scant: | that's what mine says |
| [01:53:35] | roz_: | what about mixer device? |
| [01:55:34] | scant: | well |
| [01:55:41] | roz_: | I guess ALSA:default works there too! |
| [01:55:46] | scant: | first, do you know for a fact that ALSA works? |
| [01:56:00] | scant: | does speaker-test run sucessfully? |
| [01:56:15] | roz_: | Yeah its working now |
| [01:56:16] | scant: | does alsamixer run sucessfully? |
| [01:56:19] | roz_: | yeah KDE work |
| [01:56:20] | roz_: | s |
| [01:56:36] | roz_: | and now I typed that into Myth and it works too |
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| [01:56:51] | scant: | ok |
| [01:56:54] | roz_: | Thanks |
| [01:57:11] | scant: | no problem |
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| [02:09:28] | roz_: | just encountered Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [02:09:32] | roz_: | whats that mean? |
| [02:10:40] | roz_: | i think my backend crashed? |
| [02:10:54] | clev: | it means you got an unexpected responce |
| [02:11:06] | clev: | (which also includes no responce at all from a timeout) |
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| [02:15:54] | ** adrian Hi. can anyone help me and guide me in how to install my tv tunner? ** | |
| [02:17:31] | jhulst: | adrian: Which tuner? |
| [02:18:22] | roz_: | clev yeah it crashed |
| [02:18:28] | adrian: | jhulst: |
| [02:18:36] | adrian: | winfast tv2000 xp rm |
| [02:20:07] | roz_: | I have a pinnacle 800i. Its a hybrid Analog/QAM tuner. It installed itself both as a V4L tuner and a DVB tuner. Should I only have one of them set up in myth to eliminate issues? |
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| [02:20:40] | roz_: | (you can only use one of the tuners at a time.... but myth see's it as 2) |
| [02:20:40] | jhulst: | adrian: Look here, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bttv |
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| [02:25:15] | jhulst: | roz_: You should be able to define it as a single card so it will only use one at a time |
| [02:25:26] | jhulst: | See here for configuration of another hybrid card, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . lation_Guide |
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| [02:27:14] | adrian: | jhulst: |
| [02:27:35] | adrian: | i've looked in thousands of forums, tutorials and other stuff like that |
| [02:27:47] | adrian: | i'm wasted, think i'll fainth out |
| [02:28:46] | jhulst: | adrian: What's the problem? If you have specific problems, I'm happy to help, but I'm not going to tell you step by step what to do. |
| [02:29:50] | adrian: | well, the specific problem is that i don't understand much of the linux thing... cuz i've just installed it yesterday. |
| [02:30:14] | adrian: | and i've tryed to follow some steps, but the explication is poor, not for dummies |
| [02:31:08] | adrian: | dosen't anybody feel sorry for the noobs? :-| |
| [02:32:20] | gregL: | adante, : There is a steep learning curve...You won't get any hand holding here...Just read is my suggestion.. |
| [02:35:25] | jhulst: | adrian: gregL is correct, spend some time learning linux, the pages linked are generally pretty straightforward. Otherwise look into some of the easy setup distro's |
| [02:37:47] | adrian: | i'll consider your advice, but now my head hurts very bad. I'm going to sleep , have a good night/day and thank you for the help |
| [02:37:56] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:39:05] | mchou: | roz_: what's your issue with pinnacle 800i? |
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| [02:41:48] | mchou: | roz_: as long as you can keep straight (in your mind) the dev nodes corresponding to each DVB or v4l not really going going to matter to myth |
| [02:42:44] | mchou: | roz_: myth can only use a single "mode" even if the card is a hybrid tuner anyways |
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| [02:54:54] | roz_: | mchou, my issue is that it thinks there are 2 cards, and will attempt to schedule as such |
| [02:55:09] | mchou: | roz_: lol |
| [02:55:10] | roz_: | saying it can record 2 shows at the same time, when in fact it cannot |
| [02:55:40] | mchou: | roz_: you need to delete one of the "cards" in myth |
| [02:56:22] | mchou: | roz_: most likely the v4l device if you're interested in recording digital |
| [02:57:33] | roz_: | right I was wondering if that was the correct thing to do |
| [02:57:38] | Gumby: | hi all. I am trying to figure out what decoder I am missing. Ive changed my backend from one box to another and now I have one frontend/slave backend, one slave backend, and one master backend. Everytime I try to watch a recorded show I get the following in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log " Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://path/to/recording.mpg" |
| [02:57:40] | roz_: | or if there was some other workaround |
| [02:57:48] | Gumby: | Can anyone suggest what I might be missing? |
| [02:58:07] | jhulst: | roz_: Did you see the link I gave? Myth should be smart enough to recognize it. |
| [03:01:36] | jhulst: | roz_: Starting at step 3, adapting for your particular card |
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| [03:06:43] | roz_: | jhulst, I just saw that. Thanks. I will try that |
| [03:07:01] | roz_: | How about the schedules. I cant get any schedules for my QAM channels |
| [03:07:25] | roz_: | they are identical to their not digital ounterparts |
| [03:09:53] | roz_: | right now all i can get it to say is Unknown |
| [03:10:19] | jhulst: | roz_: You can setup a separate lineup and then edit the xmltvid to correspond to the correct channel |
| [03:10:46] | roz_: | do I do that in Schedules Direct? |
| [03:11:10] | jhulst: | roz_: Yes and mythweb |
| [03:17:05] | roz_: | jhulst, What do I have to do in myth web to make it match my Lineup in Schedules direct? |
| [03:17:11] | roz_: | channel number? |
| [03:17:16] | roz_: | and xmlid? |
| [03:19:19] | jhulst: | Go into settings and edit the xmltvid number |
| [03:19:50] | jhulst: | roz_: Then run mythfilldatabase and it should update |
| [03:23:27] | roz_: | I put the XMLTV id number in there, ran mythfilldatabase and still unknown |
| [03:25:36] | roz_: | any way to trouble shoot? |
| [03:26:24] | jhulst: | roz_: Is it getting scheduling data now? |
| [03:27:38] | roz_: | No... I noticed its saying 401 Unauthorized during the mythfilldatabase |
| [03:28:03] | jhulst: | roz_: Do you have the input connection associated with the video source? All setup |
| [03:28:36] | roz_: | oh let me check |
| [03:29:09] | roz_: | its set to no grabber! |
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| [03:32:50] | roz_: | OK That Worked! |
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| [03:33:06] | roz_: | Alright, how can I make it prefer HD over Analog? |
| [03:34:01] | Andrew_Barber: | i just tried using MTD for the first time to backup some dvd's....i ripped as ISO and burned to DVD, but the DVD doesn't play |
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| [03:34:31] | Andrew_Barber: | was i naive to think that would work? |
| [03:35:24] | jhulst: | roz_: I think that it automatically will prefer it, you can also set tuner priority in mythtv-setup |
| [03:38:03] | Andrew_Barber: | anyone have ripping/burning experience? |
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| [03:51:28] | shiftplusone: | Hello, I am trying to get mythgame to launch a script named BlackPlague.sh in the directory I specified... but when I scan for games it doesn't seem to find anything... could someone help? |
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| [03:53:42] | shiftplusone: | nvrm, working now |
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| [04:40:46] | xv6800: | hi can someone help in setting up mythtv? |
| [04:41:31] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, whats up? |
| [04:42:13] | xv6800: | I think on everystep I have screwed up something. |
| [04:42:20] | xv6800: | now I have system that is not working at all. |
| [04:42:42] | xv6800: | trying to fix one and break 3 others so dont know when it will work.. |
| [04:43:05] | xv6800: | what I understand is I have partially all installed buy somehow in setup it is missing something. |
| [04:43:17] | xv6800: | frontend complain back-end IP address |
| [04:43:26] | xv6800: | back-end can't get EPG |
| [04:43:52] | xv6800: | myth_scanner left running for more than 10 minutes. |
| [04:43:54] | scant: | are you a linux user? |
| [04:43:57] | xv6800: | yeah |
| [04:44:04] | scant: | what distribution? |
| [04:44:12] | xv6800: | mythubuntu |
| [04:44:31] | scant: | is your myth box solely for myth? |
| [04:45:05] | xv6800: | no but it has drives for other purpose. this whole drive is now mythubuntu |
| [04:45:31] | scant: | why not just start over again? |
| [04:45:43] | xv6800: | that's what I am doing since last 9 days. |
| [04:45:49] | xv6800: | now finally installed wine and mirc |
| [04:45:52] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, do you ave a FE on your BE machine too? |
| [04:45:57] | xv6800: | so I can see someoutside world. |
| [04:46:17] | xv6800: | I have one machine for both. |
| [04:46:44] | Der_Thomas: | ok, so can you start your BE daemon? |
| [04:47:23] | xv6800: | it is showing in ps it is running. |
| [04:47:48] | Der_Thomas: | so what happens when you start your FE? |
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| [04:49:37] | xv6800: | at this point it is showing no video. |
| [04:50:08] | Led-Hed: | I'm trying to compile the sa3250.c but its giving me errors. The README says I need to install certian packages, but I cant find them for ubuntu. Anyone here using Ubuntu w/ a SA3250? |
| [04:50:22] | Der_Thomas: | so what EXACTLY happens of you type 'mythfrontend' |
| [04:50:44] | xv6800: | Please verify the channel in the 'mythtv-setup' chanel editor. |
| [04:51:13] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Hed, why not just compile the packages you need from source? you don't have to have packages for your dist |
| [04:51:35] | xv6800: | now error screen you should have gotten a channe lock by now. |
| [04:51:50] | Led-Hed: | Der_Thomas, I don't know what you mean |
| [04:51:52] | xv6800: | you can continue to wait for a signal or you can change the channels with up and down arrow |
| [04:52:07] | Led-Hed: | oh, instead of installing the packages them selves |
| [04:52:31] | ** Led-Hed doesnt have much luck compiling ** | |
| [04:52:47] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, this is what you get when you type "mythfrontend"? It shold just start the GUI! |
| [04:52:52] | Led-Hed: | if all else fails that will be the route I take |
| [04:52:55] | xv6800: | it started |
| [04:53:00] | xv6800: | then I goto inside menu |
| [04:53:08] | xv6800: | before it was giving ip address error |
| [04:53:11] | xv6800: | but it is gone now . |
| [04:53:16] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Hed, just install all of the lib* packages and -dev packages an you should be fine |
| [04:53:17] | xv6800: | now I am on black screen. |
| [04:53:33] | xv6800: | that message is gone after I press up down arrow and now on channel |
| [04:53:35] | xv6800: | but no video. |
| [04:54:03] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, so you have started the FE, then you select "Watch TV"? |
| [04:54:25] | xv6800: | YES |
| [04:54:29] | xv6800: | Yes. |
| [04:54:48] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, OK, have you run mythtv-setup? |
| [04:55:09] | xv6800: | on front end or backend? |
| [04:55:10] | scant: | Der_Thomas: please advise him to stop the backend before running mythtv-setup |
| [04:55:13] | scant: | or her |
| [04:55:37] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, on the BE? |
| [04:55:37] | Led-Hed: | I think Mythtv-setup is intelligent and stops the backend when it is run |
| [04:55:48] | Der_Thomas: | Led-Hed, no its not |
| [04:56:11] | xv6800: | yeah Der_Thomas I was only able to scan one EIT tp on 119 |
| [04:56:12] | scant: | Led-Hed: uh, no it doesn't, at least if it does that's news to me |
| [04:56:14] | Led-Hed: | it always prompts me to stop it when I run it |
| [04:56:21] | xv6800: | and dont see more channels in this list. |
| [04:56:49] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, back-up, did you run mythtv-setup on the FE or BE? |
| [04:57:06] | Led-Hed: | there shouldnt be mythtv-setup on a FE |
| [04:57:09] | xv6800: | always on BE |
| [04:57:23] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, ok so you were root? |
| [04:57:32] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, ok so you were root when you ran mythtv-setup? |
| [04:57:53] | xv6800: | no if I run setup then it is from GUI menu so it must be normal user |
| [04:58:08] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, no it doesn't |
| [04:58:51] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, you need to open a console, su root, stop the mythtvbackend and run mythtv-setup |
| [04:59:15] | Der_Thomas: | mythtv-setup IS a GUI, but you will be running it as root |
| [04:59:18] | scant: | Der_Thomas: please advise him, once he gets in mythtv-setup to delete all video cards, video sources, and channels |
| [04:59:58] | Der_Thomas: | before you su root, you MIGHT have to 'xhost +" to allow root to run a GUI in your non root X session |
| [05:00:17] | xv6800: | that's why I know I never ran anything GUI as root. |
| [05:00:20] | xv6800: | let me run as root then. |
| [05:00:35] | Der_Thomas: | yeah that is definately what you need to do |
| [05:00:40] | scant: | xv6800: what tuner card are you using? what version of mythbuntu are you using? |
| [05:01:38] | xv6800: | Nexus-s and 8.04 was DVD version and kernel is now 2.6.24.19-generic |
| [05:01:53] | xv6800: | xhost + gives unable to open display "" |
| [05:02:13] | Der_Thomas: | you have to do xhost + as the norlal user before you su |
| [05:02:24] | xv6800: | oh ok. |
| [05:02:39] | mzb_d800: | Led-Hed: a warning does not mean that it stops the BE. Also, mythtv-setup *can* be on an FE. |
| [05:03:32] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah, Led-Head, try running mythtv-setup as a normal user and you will see the difference |
| [05:03:54] | mzb_d800: | and in fact IS on a source build, and in most distro packages ... I suspect mythbuntu has it in a BE-only package |
| [05:04:03] | Andrew_Barber: | Der_Thomas: did you see my MTD question? |
| [05:04:27] | mzb_d800: | mythtv-setup should be run as the user |
| [05:04:30] | Led-Hed: | mzb_d800, I know that. But the error message asks me if I want to stop it, I click OK and the backend stops. |
| [05:04:41] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [05:04:58] | mzb_d800: | news to me (I must be behind the times;) |
| [05:05:11] | xv6800: | Do I need to set DISPLAY=? |
| [05:05:20] | mzb_d800: | ssh -X |
| [05:05:23] | Der_Thomas: | Andrew_Barber, no? |
| [05:05:24] | mzb_d800: | (ie: no) |
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| [05:05:51] | xv6800: | mzb is ssh -X is for me? |
| [05:05:52] | Andrew_Barber: | i just tried using MTD for the first time to backup some dvd's....i ripped as ISO and burned to DVD, but the DVD doesn't play |
| [05:05:59] | mzb_d800: | xv6800: yes |
| [05:06:13] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, yeah are you sshed into your BE/FE? |
| [05:06:26] | Led-Hed: | ok, so I got sa3250ch to compile without errors. Channel changes are still wonkey. (yes I set it as the external channel change app) |
| [05:06:36] | mzb_d800: | do NOT run mythtv-setup as root |
| [05:06:47] | mzb_d800: | (there's no need for it) |
| [05:06:52] | xv6800: | I dont think I know password on root |
| [05:06:59] | xv6800: | or let me reset |
| [05:07:02] | Der_Thomas: | Andrew_Barber, sorry, no idea |
| [05:07:10] | mzb_d800: | xv6800: are you ssh'ing into the box? |
| [05:07:22] | xv6800: | I am onbox. |
| [05:07:35] | xv6800: | on terminal window |
| [05:07:43] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [05:08:03] | mzb_d800: | you can't run an X application (eg: mythtv-setup) unless you're running it from a console in X |
| [05:08:38] | xv6800: | here is what I did |
| [05:08:42] | xv6800: | I open terminal window |
| [05:08:45] | xv6800: | as user |
| [05:08:52] | xv6800: | and did sudo su - |
| [05:08:58] | mzb_d800: | DO NOT SU/SUDO |
| [05:09:06] | xv6800: | ok |
| [05:09:08] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, do you mean you are running a GUI desktop and opened a terminal emulator window? |
| [05:09:35] | xv6800: | I am on mythubuntu GUI logon session |
| [05:10:07] | Der_Thomas: | mzb, why are you saying to not run mythtv-setup as root? I'm not familar with mythubuntu, but that is normally what you need to do |
| [05:10:24] | mzb_d800: | it is NOT |
| [05:10:29] | mzb_d800: | and it is NOT necessary |
| [05:10:41] | mzb_d800: | run it as the user that runs the FE |
| [05:10:43] | Der_Thomas: | so how do you configure the BE then? |
| [05:11:04] | mzb_d800: | as the mythtv user! (for the 3rd+ time) |
| [05:11:06] | xv6800: | here is what I did installed mythubuntu and created my own userid and did everything from that userid |
| [05:11:16] | xv6800: | except build and other device related stuff. |
| [05:11:19] | mzb_d800: | so run mythtv-setup as that user |
| [05:11:25] | Der_Thomas: | If I run setup as root, I see all my cards, soruces, etc. If I run it as user, I don't see any of that |
| [05:11:27] | xv6800: | that's what I can run easily. |
| [05:11:31] | mzb_d800: | you do NOT need root permissions |
| [05:11:56] | mzb_d800: | Der_Thomas: your user probably isn't a member of the group that owns the cards |
| [05:12:00] | scant: | I'm usually not impatient, but I don't understand why you guys are bothering, xv6800 is in here probably because the people in ubuntu-mythtv gave up on him |
| [05:12:01] | mzb_d800: | (eg: video?) |
| [05:12:10] | Der_Thomas: | maybe |
| [05:12:18] | Der_Thomas: | that owuld make sense |
| [05:12:19] | scant: | he said he was a linux user, that's clearly not the case |
| [05:12:24] | mzb_d800: | yeah, and I've got better things to do. |
| [05:12:25] | mzb_d800: | bbl |
| [05:12:40] | scant: | mythbuntu has very easy to follow instructions in a form of a pdf manual |
| [05:12:43] | xv6800: | scant nobody replied in ubuntu-mythtv. |
| [05:13:14] | xv6800: | yeah scant |
| [05:13:24] | xv6800: | somehow I have scanning problem from what I figure |
| [05:13:41] | scant: | yeah, maybe it's something as simple as, you don't get digital tv channels |
| [05:13:41] | xv6800: | may be just tuner setup or mysql modification for DP34 or something. |
| [05:14:24] | Der_Thomas: | xv6800, well here is what *I* would do, figure out how to get in as root to run mythtv-setup, delete any cards that ar there and re-confiure everything |
| [05:14:50] | xv6800: | http://dvbn.happysat.org/viewtopic.php?t=4794 . . . light=mythtv |
| [05:15:01] | Der_Thomas: | You *might* be able to run it as user, but you had better make sure tha tyour user is part of the tuner card group |
| [05:15:34] | xv6800: | everything here works until 44. |
| [05:15:35] | Der_Thomas: | anyone here familiar with importing a channels.conf for dvb cards? |
| [05:15:39] | xv6800: | see if you can watch tv |
| [05:15:44] | xv6800: | that's what is not working. |
| [05:16:05] | scant: | Der_Thomas: you shouldn't have to, just use the built in scanner |
| [05:16:39] | Der_Thomas: | scant, I tried that, but didn't have great luck. I found lots more channels doing a manual scan |
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| [05:17:09] | Der_Thomas: | problem is that when I import my channels.conf file with about 0 or so channels, I only get 4 channels in myth |
| [05:17:11] | scant: | Der_Thomas: are you sure those channels are 'in-the-clear' and unencrypted? |
| [05:17:17] | Der_Thomas: | problem is that when I import my channels.conf file with about 20 or so channels, I only get 4 channels in myth |
| [05:17:19] | xv6800: | how long myth_scanner takes to finish complete run? |
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| [05:17:44] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, I can watch them with mplayer |
| [05:17:50] | scant: | All 20 channels? |
| [05:17:52] | Der_Thomas: | so they are in-the-clear |
| [05:17:58] | Der_Thomas: | yep all 20 |
| [05:18:29] | Der_Thomas: | myth says that it is updating channels and it writes some of these over one another. |
| [05:18:32] | scant: | There's no magic to importing a channels.conf that I know of, but this conversation occured while I was in here a few days go, it's not recommened anymore I think |
| [05:19:19] | xv6800: | any1 has 1000+ dish? |
| [05:19:27] | Der_Thomas: | hmm, OK maybe I'll just slow down the scan in myth and see if I can get all of the channels |
| [05:20:28] | scant: | Der_Thomas: I'm waiting for someone else to say, you're probably mistaken about the 20 channels, but I won't say that... |
| [05:21:01] | scant: | Please tell us if you have success after slowing down the scan |
| [05:21:10] | Der_Thomas: | scant, does 20 sound like too many? |
| [05:21:20] | Der_Thomas: | scant, or just BC myth only gets 4? |
| [05:21:58] | Der_Thomas: | scant, I have a dumb question though too, |
| [05:22:09] | Der_Thomas: | I've been running myth for almost 2 years with one tuner and just bought a second. |
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| [05:22:23] | scant: | Most cable operators, if you're in the US, and you're using QAM, don't have more than 4–8 channels in the clear and unencrypted, although some have more |
| [05:23:20] | Der_Thomas: | (guess that there are 12 video stations and 6 music only) |
| [05:23:45] | scant: | huh? |
| [05:24:03] | xv6800: | while scanning setup dies is that normal? |
| [05:24:07] | Der_Thomas: | sorry trying to have 2 conversations at once |
| [05:24:18] | Led-Hed: | Yay, It works. |
| [05:24:36] | Der_Thomas: | I just counted 12 video stations I scaned and 6 music only stations |
| [05:24:38] | Led-Hed: | needed to pass the -s switch |
| [05:24:43] | Der_Thomas: | back to my dumb q: |
| [05:25:15] | Der_Thomas: | if both tuners pick up channel 2, the channel editor shos 2 entries for channel 2 |
| [05:25:35] | Der_Thomas: | Am I suppoed to have 2 entried in my EPG, one for each tuner? |
| [05:25:43] | scant: | Der_Thomas: you picked up 12 video and 6 music via a manual or mythtv-setup scan? |
| [05:26:01] | Led-Hed: | night all. Thanks Der_Thomas. I was missing a few -dev packages. |
| [05:26:01] | Der_Thomas: | scant, manual, and verified them by watching in mplayer |
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| [05:26:17] | scant: | Der_Thomas: cool, hope you can get them in mythtv |
| [05:26:19] | Der_Thomas: | night Led-Hed |
| [05:27:03] | scant: | Der_Thomas: I believe every channel that you have will show up in the EPG even duplicates |
| [05:27:42] | scant: | Der_Thomas: are you in the US? |
| [05:27:54] | Der_Thomas: | scant, is that what the "visible" option is for, mark all of one tuner as not visbile? |
| [05:28:01] | Der_Thomas: | Yes US, Bufalo, NY |
| [05:28:05] | Der_Thomas: | Yes US, Buffalo, NY |
| [05:28:46] | scant: | Der_Thomas: unchecking visible will remove the channel from the EPG, I'm not sure how recording rules will work if you make a channel invisible, that's a question for more knowledgable users |
| [05:29:10] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I was worried about that too |
| [05:30:15] | scant: | Der_Thomas: I only get 8 digital tv channels, with 2 of them being like weather... |
| [05:30:44] | Der_Thomas: | are the HD or SD? |
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| [05:31:59] | scant: | Der_Thomas: 6 are HD I think |
| [05:32:34] | scant: | Der_Thomas: do you actually get 2 channel 2s, the reason I asked is because you're question was phrased hypothetically |
| [05:32:50] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, most of mine are locals in HD, but problem is that I've got a little underpowered FE and a SD TV |
| [05:33:14] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah I get the same channel 2, 3, 4,5, 6... once on each tuner |
| [05:33:34] | scant: | what kind of tuners do u got? |
| [05:34:03] | Der_Thomas: | pvr-150, had for almost 2 years, and just bought a Pinnicle, PCTV 800 |
| [05:34:33] | scant: | oh |
| [05:34:37] | scant: | maybe I can help you |
| [05:34:49] | Der_Thomas: | the PVR-150 reveives analog cable, and the PCTV 800 is both QAM and analog card |
| [05:35:03] | scant: | see, I think the Pinnacle PCTV800 is a dual QAM/ATSC NTSC tuner |
| [05:35:12] | Der_Thomas: | yeah it is |
| [05:35:14] | scant: | but it can't tune to both QAM and ATSC/QAM at the same time |
| [05:35:20] | scant: | and the PVR-150 is a NTSC tuner |
| [05:35:23] | Der_Thomas: | right, jsut found tha tout |
| [05:35:27] | Der_Thomas: | yes |
| [05:35:29] | scant: | do you use schedules direct? |
| [05:35:33] | Der_Thomas: | yep |
| [05:35:38] | scant: | ok, so you need 2 line ups |
| [05:35:43] | scant: | 1 for digital |
| [05:35:46] | scant: | 1 for analong |
| [05:35:47] | Der_Thomas: | yes |
| [05:36:03] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [05:36:40] | scant: | if you assign the digital schedules direct lineup to just the dvb tuner, and the analog schedules direct lineup to both the PVR-150 and the NTSC part of the 800, you shouldn't get duplicate channels |
| [05:36:54] | scant: | if you do, delete all cards, all sources, all channels, and start again |
| [05:37:29] | scant: | and, modify your digital tv schedules direct lineup to ONLY include your digital channels |
| [05:37:45] | scant: | you do this through on schedulesdirect.org through their web interface |
| [05:37:53] | Der_Thomas: | ahh, ok I actually created two sources for the analog lineup so that I could senect all channels from one tuner if I wanted to "delete all" |
| [05:38:18] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [05:38:23] | Der_Thomas: | OK |
| [05:38:50] | scant: | and remember, delete everything and start again, all cards, all souces, all channels |
| [05:38:50] | Der_Thomas: | thanks |
| [05:38:58] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [05:39:03] | scant: | i would delete all channels first, then all sources, then all cards |
| [05:39:17] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [05:39:18] | scant: | if you're doing this now, tell me how it goes |
| [05:39:38] | Der_Thomas: | Can't tonight, have to work in a few hours |
| [05:40:02] | scant: | ok |
| [05:40:21] | Der_Thomas: | before I run to get some sleep though, do you know if it is possible to cut down the HD video to be able to play on my little FE? |
| [05:41:00] | Der_Thomas: | my FE just returns to the main menu when I try to tune to a HD station |
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| [05:44:02] | Anduin: | Der_Thomas: You cannot cut down HD live on an underpowered frontend, if it were recorded you could transcode it, or some day the backend may be able to do it "live" but it can't now. |
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| [05:45:58] | Der_Thomas: | Anduin, makes sense, thanks |
| [05:46:55] | Der_Thomas: | Any idea if a Athlon 2100+ with a XvMC card *SHOULD* be able to play live 720 or 1080? |
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| [05:48:58] | scant_: | XvMC is unreliable and buggy... just barely, or just not barely... I have an Athlon 2500+ and I get stutter with XvMC |
| [05:50:01] | Der_Thomas: | ok thanks everyone, good night |
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| [06:25:34] | Sulx: | I dont have any problems with xvmc..excep gray osd |
| [06:25:56] | Sulx: | and lack of x264 decoding =) |
| [06:26:21] | mchou: | yeah, xvmc is pretty good over here |
| [06:26:40] | mchou: | too bad nvidia's drivers are not consistent |
| [06:27:02] | scant: | hm |
| [06:27:16] | scant: | what driver versions are you using? |
| [06:27:27] | mchou: | I mean you can have some real bombs on xvmc with certain versions of nvidia drivers |
| [06:28:37] | mchou: | none of nvidia's more recent drivers do xvmc correctly |
| [06:29:31] | scant: | which versions are you using? |
| [06:29:42] | mchou: | 100.14.x |
| [06:30:06] | mchou: | iirc that's over a year old |
| [06:30:08] | scant: | why not give me the exact version #? |
| [06:30:16] | mchou: | wtf?? |
| [06:30:41] | mchou: | cause there is only one released version with that number |
| [06:30:53] | scant: | oh |
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| [06:31:31] | scant: | 100.14.09, 100.14.11, 100.14.19 |
| [06:31:47] | scant: | those are listed on nvidias website |
| [06:32:05] | mchou: | any one of them should be fine |
| [06:32:32] | scant: | i would like to use the version you're using, but oh well |
| [06:32:53] | mchou: | anyway athlon 2500 is borderline even with xvmc |
| [06:33:04] | mchou: | 2500+* |
| [06:33:25] | mchou: | so don't be expecting any miracles |
| [06:33:35] | scant: | i'm not, I'm using XvMC currently |
| [06:33:54] | scant: | but if you've found a good driver version, i would ike to test that speicfic version |
| [06:38:04] | scant: | oh well, i don't understand... |
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| [06:40:59] | scant: | you chime in to say XvMC works for you, after reading that I said it was buggy and stutters for me, say certain versions are bad, curse at me when i ask you for the exact version, say there's only 1 version of the 100.14.x series, and then mention that with my CPI i'll get borderline performance as a rebuttal, which i've already said, and by your 1st comment I know you read... how odd and rude |
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| [07:21:27] | justinh: | hrm. this one pixel wide line on this tft here is getting to be annoying |
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| [07:44:42] | orkid: | scant: 100.14.19 |
| [07:44:50] | orkid: | or did scant leave |
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| [07:51:22] | justinh: | he left |
| [07:51:55] | ** tjcarter stabs Google for not having the answer. ** | |
| [07:52:07] | tjcarter: | or at least, not properly indexing the answer. ;) |
| [07:52:09] | justinh: | XvMC == YMMV. It's generally more hassle than it's worth. There's no substitute for MOARMHZ right now when it comes to video playback in linux |
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| [07:54:46] | orkid: | i dunno if its psychological, but i find regular (non accelerated) decoding is better quality (except maybe deinterlacing) |
| [07:55:09] | orkid: | maybe its not and it just seemed that way |
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| [07:57:41] | ** tjcarter is trying to figure out if ESA thermal devices have linux support. ** | |
| [07:59:54] | justinh: | who? sounds like weapons-grade tech ;) |
| [08:00:39] | tjcarter: | justinh: NV's little spec for things like fan controllers |
| [08:01:08] | tjcarter: | configured using your OS instead of little LED and button sillinesses. |
| [08:01:22] | justinh: | ah |
| [08:01:52] | tjcarter: | Announced like a year ago |
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| [08:13:27] | justinh: | it could've been announced yesterday & I'd still be unaware of it :P |
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| [09:21:35] | Steven_M: | which filesystem is better for myth, jfs or xfs? |
| [09:22:20] | justinh: | whichever works best for you :) |
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| [09:22:43] | justinh: | life is too damn short to waste time playing filesystems off one another |
| [09:24:03] | directhex: | jfs eats babies |
| [09:24:04] | directhex: | and filese |
| [09:24:08] | directhex: | FYI. |
| [09:26:35] | Steven_M: | directhex: on it's own without a command? how? |
| [09:26:57] | directhex: | magic file system feature. place a baby or file near it, it might get eaten |
| [09:28:11] | Steven_M: | directhex: have you had any trouble with xfs? |
| [09:28:27] | justinh: | I use xfs.. never any problem. there's time yet |
| [09:28:37] | directhex: | i had oddities with drivers with an XFS root volume once |
| [09:30:11] | tjcarter: | you have to be a little careful with exotic drivers and both JFS and XFS I find. |
| [09:30:38] | tjcarter: | The major issue with ext3 I find is that it doesn't really delete quickly |
| [09:30:50] | tjcarter: | annoying when you need to clear out a bunch of old crap you'll never watch again |
| [09:31:00] | justinh: | I use ext3 for /, xfs for everything else |
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| [09:31:59] | tjcarter: | My only complaint with xfs is that you can't shrink it if you need to, so it's not good for doing cool mdadm tricks to replace a drive that's beginning to show signs of wonkiness. |
| [09:32:20] | tjcarter: | well, you could, but you need to add a new drive before you remove the old one. |
| [09:32:32] | Steven_M: | I get jumpy video with ext3 with is why I'm going to try xfs |
| [09:32:33] | directhex: | hm. i don't feel hung over, but i also feel completely unrested |
| [09:32:58] | tjcarter: | I wonder though.. It seems that mdadm is going to be a thing of the past sooner or later. |
| [09:33:40] | tjcarter: | You can get most of the same benefits without special magic using aufs |
| [09:34:42] | tjcarter: | No special tools or careful consideration of moving extents either.. |
| [09:34:49] | Steven_M: | tjcarter: mdadm? |
| [09:35:06] | tjcarter: | Steven_M: Linux multiple devices driver admin tool.. |
| [09:35:17] | tjcarter: | Steven_M: LVM stuff =) |
| [09:35:35] | Steven_M: | ahh |
| [09:36:00] | tjcarter: | you chop up your drive into little blocks which can be moved around and whatnot. |
| [09:36:12] | tjcarter: | Then you stick a filesystem on them |
| [09:37:25] | tjcarter: | Need to replace a drive that's beginning to use up its spare bad blocks? Shrink the filesystem so it uses precisely the number of extents on the wonky drive fewer.. Then move the extents on that drive to another that's in good working order. |
| [09:37:54] | tjcarter: | Then you just remove that now empty drive and replace it. |
| [09:38:23] | Steven_M: | are there any knoppmyth users here, I'm considering switching from mythbuntu to knoppmyth? |
| [09:38:43] | tjcarter: | If your LVM isn't full, this is easy to do and doesn't require having a spare place to plug in a drive until after you are ready to pull the old. |
| [09:38:54] | justinh: | storage groups ftw! |
| [09:38:56] | ** tjcarter uses KM ** | |
| [09:39:06] | tjcarter: | justinh: storage groups don't work everywhere =( |
| [09:39:24] | tjcarter: | Steven_M: The one thing I WISH cecil would adopt for KM is the UUID volumes. |
| [09:39:29] | justinh: | symlinks & semicolon separated paths do though :) |
| [09:39:32] | tjcarter: | he hates it. |
| [09:40:03] | tjcarter: | It really is required when you start talking about sata. |
| [09:40:33] | tjcarter: | particularly if you don't use a hotswap enclosure with drives and slots matched up.. |
| [09:40:41] | clev: | tjcarter: ive replaced a lvm PV when the box was allready maxed out |
| [09:40:43] | tjcarter: | too easy to connect SATA drives to the wrong ports. |
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| [09:41:10] | clev: | tjcarter: i moved the PV to another system, and using nbd server/client i mapped it to a local block device |
| [09:41:22] | clev: | which let me assemble the 'array' with 3 local drives and 1 network drive |
| [09:41:30] | tjcarter: | that's sick. |
| [09:41:33] | tjcarter: | I like it ;) |
| [09:41:37] | Steven_M: | does /dev/sda = SATA? |
| [09:41:38] | clev: | then it was trivial to pvcreate the new drive and pvmove my crap over |
| [09:41:45] | justinh: | Steven_M: not necessarily |
| [09:41:49] | tjcarter: | Steven_M: sda = SCSI |
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| [09:42:01] | tjcarter: | Steven_M: but SATA looks like SCSI.. |
| [09:42:13] | justinh: | sda can be for sata, scsi, usb or indeed pata |
| [09:42:25] | Steven_M: | ahh |
| [09:42:26] | clev: | sata, pata and usb now use the scsi subsystem |
| [09:42:27] | tjcarter: | (actually, IDE looks like SCSI now too, only it doesn't for historical reasons) |
| [09:42:29] | justinh: | ubuntu calls this machine's pata disk sda |
| [09:42:50] | tjcarter: | ubuntu wants to be the Apple of Linux.. |
| [09:42:56] | justinh: | most disconcerting when you boot a livecd & try to fdisk /dev/hda |
| [09:43:00] | clev: | justinh: that name will change randomly depending on what other devices are connected, its better to use UUID's |
| [09:43:13] | justinh: | I DON'T CARE |
| [09:43:24] | clev: | sda is the 1st drive to register, which might be your usb stick one day |
| [09:43:27] | tjcarter: | NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY! UPGRADE YOUR SOFTWARE AND YOUR THINKING! B.B. IS WATCHING YOU.. that kind of thing. |
| [09:43:31] | clev: | so it will break your fstab :P |
| [09:43:48] | justinh: | UUIDs don't trip off the tongue |
| [09:43:48] | tjcarter: | clev: that's why UUIDs are good |
| [09:44:03] | tjcarter: | justinh: you only use them in fstab ;) |
| [09:44:03] | clev: | tjcarter: the ubuntu upgrade scripts changed my fstab over to uuid and caused all hell to break loose:P |
| [09:44:04] | justinh: | /dev/345764235432785642378ASFGH |
| [09:44:15] | Steven_M: | I hate the volume control doesn't work on mythbuntu |
| [09:44:33] | clev: | tjcarter: for some reason, i had 2 block devices for every partition, ubuntu turned on the swap by uuid |
| [09:44:46] | clev: | tjcarter: so it swapon'ed the same partition twice under different names |
| [09:44:52] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [09:44:52] | justinh: | I like change. I hate people deciding to change stuff I'm used to for reasons which only suit THEM |
| [09:44:58] | tjcarter: | bugs suck |
| [09:45:03] | clev: | what happens when it gets full and starts overflowing into itself? |
| [09:46:00] | justinh: | why there can't just be plain english device naming is confusing |
| [09:46:16] | justinh: | I know you can mangle udev to do it but that's not the point |
| [09:46:25] | clev: | another case when UUID's caused problems, i made an lvm snapshot of / for backup purposes |
| [09:46:33] | justinh: | oh noes! this is teh linux – it HAS TO BE CONFUSING! |
| [09:46:36] | clev: | it mounted the wrong one as / and i didnt notice until it was too late |
| [09:46:47] | clev: | so i was editing the backup :P |
| [09:46:49] | tjcarter: | justinh: BAFM? |
| [09:47:02] | justinh: | it was confusing when I first started using it, so it should continue to be that way for eternity. MUHAHAHAHA |
| [09:47:15] | clev: | but its not like /dev/mapper/... will change, so i dont realy need UUID there |
| [09:47:16] | justinh: | bafm? |
| [09:47:29] | tjcarter: | Buy A Fine Macintosh |
| [09:47:55] | ** tjcarter types into an iMac... ** | |
| [09:47:55] | justinh: | there's complexity, and there's complexity just for the sake of being anal. linux still has too much of the latter |
| [09:47:58] | Steven_M: | which mythdistro do you guys reckon is the best? |
| [09:48:11] | justinh: | Steven_M: whichever you find works best for you |
| [09:48:17] | tjcarter: | KM is about the most appliancelike out there. |
| [09:48:27] | justinh: | all have their good & bad points |
| [09:48:27] | tjcarter: | It's got a ways to go yet, but not for lack of cecil trying |
| [09:49:18] | justinh: | mythbuntu for example doesn't come with any naughty stuff like torrentwossitsname, or pointless stuff like folding. some see that as a bad thing |
| [09:50:34] | laga: | justinh: we do have mythnettv in intrepid ;) it's an RSS aggregator for video podcasts |
| [09:50:40] | laga: | very useful for systm etc |
| [09:50:43] | tjcarter: | isn't mythbuntu not really myth anymore? =( |
| [09:50:48] | ** justinh smacks mythbuntu in the face ** | |
| [09:51:02] | laga: | haha |
| [09:51:06] | justinh: | turning a blind eye to illegal stuff |
| [09:51:13] | justinh: | xbmcbuntu |
| [09:51:21] | laga: | oh noes, it's teh bittorrents! |
| [09:51:51] | justinh: | come on, join us. NO I SAID JOIN US.. NO, REALLY! JOIN US! |
| [09:51:56] | justinh: | JOIN |
| [09:51:57] | justinh: | US |
| [09:52:03] | tjcarter: | illegal stuff? |
| [09:52:21] | justinh: | muh, torrents of legal stuff exist.. muhhhhhhhhhh |
| [09:52:25] | justinh: | yeah yeah whatever guys |
| [09:52:38] | tjcarter: | doesn't come with soft CAM or anything? |
| [09:52:44] | tjcarter: | Or just distributed as a torrent? |
| [09:53:09] | laga: | haha |
| [09:53:15] | Steven_M: | justinh: do you have any problems with the in-play volume control not working in mythbuntu |
| [09:53:20] | Steven_M: | ? |
| [09:53:26] | ** justinh doesn't use mythbuntu ** | |
| [09:53:32] | tjcarter: | nevermind, I gotta be up in 5. |
| [09:53:43] | justinh: | well not as such. I installed mythbuntu but it's nothing like mythbuntu anymore |
| [09:54:10] | justinh: | it's mythbuntu but smacked onto an nfs share to make the machine diskless, and mythtv is all built from source |
| [09:55:05] | Steven_M: | justinh: oh sorry |
| [09:55:29] | justinh: | laga: do you think resistance is really futile? should we all just lie down & bow to bittorrent clients now & pray to God that the evil bastards at the MPAA et al turn a blind eye? |
| [09:55:45] | justinh: | cos I'm getting sick of batting for this team |
| [09:56:02] | Steven_M: | 3 more questions |
| [09:56:06] | justinh: | let it be the user's responsibility.. :) |
| [09:56:09] | laga: | justinh: bittorrent is content distribution. i don't know if there any rss feeds with pirated stuff |
| [09:56:20] | laga: | and i don't give a flying fuck if the warez whores use them. |
| [09:56:21] | justinh: | there are |
| [09:58:06] | Steven_M: | does KM let you install a full desktop so that you can run other apps on it? |
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| [09:58:45] | justinh: | not AFAIK. It's a MYTHTV based distro, based on MYTHTV that lets you run MYTHTV for the primary purpose of using MYTHTV |
| [09:59:08] | justinh: | though I doubt it'd stop you installing a full desktop on it |
| [09:59:33] | justinh: | it just won't likely be as easy as apt-get clogupmysystemwithgnomecrap |
| [09:59:53] | justinh: | or maybe it is. rtfm |
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| [10:00:41] | justinh: | mornin gbee. |
| [10:01:13] | gbee: | turns out the X1250 doesn't include UVD, so the driver support doesn't do me any good :( |
| [10:01:20] | gbee: | morning :) |
| [10:01:28] | laga: | :( |
| [10:01:45] | justinh: | well, you're surely not limited to only ever using onboard video though... |
| [10:01:50] | justinh: | unless it's a laptop |
| [10:02:12] | gbee: | well I'm using all the slots right now, so I am |
| [10:02:25] | Steven_M: | ok |
| [10:02:34] | gbee: | and I don't really need UVD, since the machine is powerful enough without it |
| [10:02:42] | laga: | even with h.264? |
| [10:02:49] | gbee: | but it would have been nice to have a new toy all the same |
| [10:03:13] | gbee: | laga: yes, I built the ATI based frontend around being able to play BBC HD |
| [10:03:22] | justinh: | how much is the cheapest ATI card with UVD ? |
| [10:03:43] | justinh: | my FE can play BBC HD but.. I'd much rather use a GPU to do it |
| [10:03:44] | laga: | gbee: how many gigahurtz does it have? |
| [10:03:56] | directhex: | one beelion gigglehurts! |
| [10:04:15] | Steven_M: | next question is why is mythbuntu not really mythtv anymore? (some body said that) |
| [10:04:31] | justinh: | who said that? |
| [10:04:41] | justinh: | they need their head checked |
| [10:04:52] | gbee: | £20 by the looks of it on ebuyer, maybe cheaper ones |
| [10:04:54] | justinh: | and a effing good slapping |
| [10:05:10] | gbee: | laga: CPU or GPU? |
| [10:05:35] | justinh: | £20 for UVD capable?! |
| [10:05:45] | justinh: | that'd be a total no brainer |
| [10:06:23] | justinh: | £20 for a VGA card, or ££££ for MOARMHZ :) |
| [10:06:36] | Steven_M: | ok3 |
| [10:06:41] | justinh: | sod the mono OSD :) |
| [10:06:55] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_De . . . enabled_GPUs |
| [10:07:04] | laga: | gbee: CPU |
| [10:07:13] | gbee: | CPU is an Athlon X2 2Ghz – aka Windsor 3600 |
| [10:07:29] | laga: | gbee: oooh. i'm going to get a 2.5GHz one, so it should be safe |
| [10:08:19] | gbee: | laga: probably won't do single sliced, but handles the three HD h.264 channels currently available here in the UK |
| [10:08:59] | Steven_M: | I'll give mythbuntu another shot using XFS and then give KM a go, if things aren't right |
| [10:09:02] | justinh: | I'd prolly want to upgrade my cpu to T7200 or better for some headroom |
| [10:10:03] | gbee: | not sure XvMC means a mono OSD anymore, but I could be wrong |
| [10:10:39] | gbee: | at the very least that might not be true with ATi cards – but we'll see |
| [10:11:10] | Steven_M: | night all |
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| [10:22:00] | justinh: | maybe h.264 AVC needs UVD 2 or whatever.. even so £50 is cheaper than a new frontend :) |
| [10:22:13] | justinh: | unless you're a garbage receptacle |
| [10:22:45] | ** laga looks around in the channel ** | |
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| [10:25:53] | gbee: | UVD+, from what I can gather only adds HDCP support |
| [10:26:27] | gbee: | oh nevermind, that was followed by UVD2 etc |
| [10:26:58] | justinh: | wonder if the driver will be enforcing hdcp... |
| [10:27:21] | justinh: | there's bound to be a downside, assuming it ever works |
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| [10:28:36] | gbee: | would that really be a problem? |
| [10:29:02] | justinh: | not really |
| [10:29:19] | justinh: | leave people something to bitch about though :P |
| [10:30:40] | laga: | i wish the antec fusion max would be smaller |
| [10:30:51] | laga: | i guess i don't really need full atx, though ;) |
| [10:31:15] | justinh: | one of the 'media center' machines on the gadget show on monday was as big as my house |
| [10:31:54] | justinh: | chuffin massive it was |
| [10:32:04] | gbee: | with that utterly pointless touchscreen on the front |
| [10:32:05] | justinh: | and it only had 2 tuners |
| [10:32:09] | laga: | i want one of those cray boxen that double as couches. now that'd be perfect living room integration |
| [10:32:25] | laga: | http://www.jacobsschool.ucsd.edu/~lsmarr/phot . . . n%20cray.jpg |
| [10:32:26] | justinh: | bet it was only a dual tuner card too |
| [10:32:44] | justinh: | yay laga |
| [10:32:57] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [10:33:20] | justinh: | the sony vaio htpc was the best out of the lot, despite looking like a hat box |
| [10:33:52] | justinh: | looked like the only one that'd been _designed_ |
| [10:34:31] | gbee: | didn't like the styling, but yes it was the best of the three |
| [10:34:50] | gbee: | I really think he could have picked some much nicer looking systems |
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| [10:42:45] | justinh: | and the price of that massive one.. three and a half thousand quids! |
| [10:43:05] | justinh: | how much Sly Plus does that buy you? :-O |
| [10:43:14] | justinh: | quite a lot actually |
| [10:43:47] | justinh: | BD, Sly HD for > 5years subs, PS3, Xbox360 & still have change out of 3.5 grand |
| [10:46:58] | justinh: | actually scrap the BD player since a PS3 is in there. :) |
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| [11:03:04] | justinh: | I still can't help but wonder how long it'll be before MS starts charging for EPG data |
| [11:04:37] | justinh: | whee: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/17/freeview_hd_2009/ |
| [11:06:17] | justinh: | no danger of being able to use that in mythtv, wot wif der being no dvb-t2 tuners around :( |
| [11:06:37] | jduggan: | will dvb-t hd be better quality than sat |
| [11:07:08] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [11:08:13] | justinh: | 3 channels on a mux with about 40mbit/sec capacity.. I think it'll be able the same – maybe slightly less |
| [11:08:51] | justinh: | assuming itvhd & c4 hd have bitrates as good as bbc hd |
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| [11:11:03] | justinh: | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm cake |
| [11:11:16] | laga: | ooooh, cake |
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| [11:14:05] | justinh: | anyway, it'd good that there'll finally be an advantage to living so close to manchester :D |
| [11:15:02] | gbee: | what's wrong with sat quality? |
| [11:16:04] | justinh: | sky hd looks blocky in shops :P |
| [11:16:42] | gbee: | well I meant HD aside from Sky – which is CRAP |
| [11:17:20] | justinh: | and just because uk tv on astra is currently lower bandwidth in general than their freeview equivalents – doesn't mean it'll always be so. freeview is gonna have its muxes downed to 5 from 6 without losing any channels before too long |
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| [11:18:39] | justinh: | still, that can only work in gemz-tv's favour can't it. Ooo look at the size of that rock/artifact |
| [11:19:44] | laga: | you have gems tv, too? :( |
| [11:19:56] | justinh: | and gemstv 2 |
| [11:19:59] | gbee: | unfortunately yes |
| [11:20:04] | justinh: | and soon, gemstv2 +1 |
| [11:20:14] | justinh: | for everything you missed our on an hour ago! |
| [11:20:27] | ** gbee hopes that was a joke ** | |
| [11:20:32] | justinh: | so do I ! |
| [11:20:43] | justinh: | gemstv ondemand |
| [11:21:02] | laga: | but the fact that they survive shows that there is demand |
| [11:21:16] | gbee: | like spam :( |
| [11:21:26] | justinh: | yup. a true indictment of how fucked society is |
| [11:22:09] | justinh: | I have an aunt who I unknowingly insulted at a family gathering a while back when somebody asked if I watch QVC |
| [11:22:19] | justinh: | "oh that, I thought it was only for brain-dead DOLTS" |
| [11:22:30] | justinh: | oops |
| [11:22:34] | directhex: | she was bright enough to be insulted? |
| [11:22:59] | gbee: | unfortunately the saps dumb enough to buy from these channels are frequently the ones who can least afford to |
| [11:23:04] | justinh: | she has a house full of crap bought from shopping channels. not much of it works as advertised yet still... |
| [11:23:21] | justinh: | gbee: wait til we get proper gambling channels |
| [11:23:50] | justinh: | but then folks complain about our nanny state.. I say there should be an element of 'if somebody is stupid enough...' |
| [11:24:06] | justinh: | you just don't want it to be anybody you know |
| [11:24:32] | gbee: | "I can't afford to feed my kids, why does the government help" as they stand in their living rooms full of expensive crap |
| [11:25:20] | justinh: | cameraman walks back into their front garden, revealing 2 couches & a burnt out car. fade to black when camera frames their 4 output LNB equipped Sky dish |
| [11:26:29] | justinh: | y'know I'm starting to come to the conclusion about why I resent satellite pay tv so much. I can't facking afford it yet all these jobless muppets on council estates who sit outside drinking LCL all day... |
| [11:27:39] | gbee: | and they don't just have the basic £20 a month subscription, it's the £60 per box per month all movie, all sport package |
| [11:28:13] | justinh: | not like when my folks 'had sky'. card from some guy my dad knew |
| [11:28:46] | laga: | haha |
| [11:28:51] | laga: | can you guys prove your claims? :) |
| [11:29:11] | justinh: | laga: it's common knowledge |
| [11:29:16] | justinh: | stop benefits now |
| [11:29:25] | gbee: | I've known some of these people |
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| [11:30:08] | justinh: | take a day off work & walk around your neighbourhood. all these people you see sitting outside drinking all day cannot possibly all have the same holiday arrangements |
| [11:31:01] | justinh: | they probably make enough on the side not to ever need benefits anyway |
| [11:31:23] | justinh: | though maybe not, when all their discounts are taken away |
| [11:31:39] | laga: | i wonder if the new yamaha rx-v 363 receiver still lose their settings when you unplug them long enough |
| [11:32:12] | justinh: | might take a while |
| [11:32:31] | justinh: | those 1 Farad memcap things are pretty neat ;) |
| [11:32:52] | justinh: | they're basically like a Li-ion battery but without being a battery as such |
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| [11:57:23] | zherlock: | TSCHAKeee: Any suggestions on how to proceed debugging when watching TV in mythtv results in able to change channels.. able to confirm channels are locked.. but image is black.. (video feed is black).. Is it perhaps sent out on wrong display? I have 8200 Chipset with onboard HDMI and VGA |
| [11:57:41] | zherlock: | Anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed debugging when watching TV in mythtv results in able to change channels.. able to confirm channels are locked.. but image is black.. (video feed is black).. Is it perhaps sent out on wrong display? I have 8200 Chipset with onboard HDMI and VGA |
| [11:58:38] | gbee: | you get sound I take it? |
| [11:59:12] | gbee: | what about recordings, do they work? |
| [11:59:17] | zherlock: | gbee: well.. I think so. I did not have sound running at the moment. |
| [11:59:24] | zherlock: | gbee: no.. no recordings that I can find |
| [11:59:28] | zherlock: | gbee: good point. |
| [11:59:48] | zherlock: | Perhaps mythtv just does not like not having a sound device? |
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| [12:04:52] | justinh: | it won't play any audio without a sound device :P |
| [12:04:58] | justinh: | video should still work |
| [12:05:05] | zherlock: | right.. |
| [12:05:11] | zherlock: | that means both fails |
| [12:05:19] | zherlock: | no error messages |
| [12:05:21] | justinh: | see the backend log & the frontend log |
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| [12:05:59] | justinh: | you might have to run mythfrontend from a terminal session on the machine to see log output |
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| [12:07:55] | zherlock: | justinh: backend says stream: start_time: 24598.560 duration: 1632.040 bitrate=222 kb/s... Seems to "finnish recording" after one second. |
| [12:08:52] | zherlock: | hmm.. 2008-10–16 07:33:08.644 Expiring Unknown from Wed Oct 15 07:00:00 2008, 43 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording) |
| [12:09:11] | justinh: | sound likey frontend issue |
| [12:11:28] | zherlock: | hm.. k |
| [12:11:31] | zherlock: | /home/public/data/videos/tv_shows_1 is empty |
| [12:12:11] | justinh: | yeah well it probably expired the very short live tv recording it just made already |
| [12:12:42] | justinh: | but then, since you only showed us ONE LINE of your backend log... |
| [12:12:54] | justinh: | FYI do not post log output of more than three lines here |
| [12:14:17] | justinh: | your irc client would probably let you.. the server will probably let you.. but people here will not thank you for it :D |
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| [12:18:14] | justinh: | see that nuttter Barry George is up to his tricks again |
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| [12:22:58] | justinh: | oo not what I'd expect to see posted on a clubbing forum.. "FS: Hardwood front door" |
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| [12:34:03] | Neeesat2: | Hello to all |
| [12:34:45] | Neeesat2: | Can someone recomend a mini motherboard for mythtv HD1080p and Audio passthrough? |
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| [12:35:02] | ** justinh goes off to find suitable theme photographs ** | |
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| [12:41:49] | Neeesat2: | Anyone tried Jetway NC62K? |
| [12:45:46] | gbee: | heh, apparently netbooks now make up 10% of the PC market – that's a revolution however you look at it, a year ago such a thing didn't even exist |
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| [12:50:47] | Neeesat2: | Any recomendation for a miniATX motherboard and mythtv? |
| [12:51:00] | Neeesat2: | Intel or AMD |
| [12:51:34] | justinh: | why not ask in #whichmotherboardshouldIbuy ? |
| [12:51:46] | kslater: | Neeesat2: isn't there a database of working configurations on the myth wiki? |
| [12:53:00] | justinh: | kslater: from people who could be bothered to post them, yeah sure ;) |
| [12:53:59] | justinh: | when they weren't adding misfacts & feature requests |
| [12:54:21] | kslater: | I suppose I should buck up and post my latest – although I haven't completely sorted out the audio level problem |
| [12:55:12] | mchou: | Neeesat2: why miniatx? |
| [12:55:33] | kslater: | Neeesat2: I recently bought a miniATX motherboard, case, PSU, fan and AM2 64 cpu for myth |
| [12:55:54] | mchou: | kslater: backend or frontend? |
| [12:55:55] | kslater: | works great as far I as can tell although it's not in daily use just yet. |
| [12:55:58] | kslater: | both |
| [12:56:03] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:56:15] | justinh: | Neeesat2: find a board with HDMI out. search the interwebs to find instances of its model number and the words "linux" and/or "mythtv" |
| [12:56:35] | mchou: | mini-anything for backend isnt such a great idea |
| [12:57:33] | mchou: | even with full atx a backend can run out space for tuners and whatever |
| [12:58:13] | Neeesat2: | klaster what miniATX do you use? |
| [12:59:10] | kslater: | one sec, I'll find a link |
| [12:59:18] | Neeesat2: | ok |
| [12:59:28] | justinh: | next question: do you run it at 1080p ? :D |
| [12:59:39] | justinh: | next question: do you use digital audio over the HDMI? |
| [12:59:42] | kslater: | no, TV is only 720p native |
| [12:59:52] | kslater: | and no I use VGA to the TV |
| [13:00:01] | justinh: | next question: can you post all your config files? |
| [13:00:04] | kslater: | hehe |
| [13:00:05] | justinh: | and finally? if I pay your air fare will you fix mine up? |
| [13:00:21] | Neeesat2: | justinh: I just want the model. Thats all |
| [13:00:38] | justinh: | yeah. for now |
| [13:00:58] | mchou: | justinh: that's what ssh is for |
| [13:01:18] | kslater: | it's a community, lots of guys contribute, I don't give much, so this is no problem |
| [13:01:27] | mchou: | justinh: no need for stinkin' airfare |
| [13:01:40] | justinh: | wow. imageafter.com don't half have some really high quality images of some rough looking gear |
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| [13:02:07] | justinh: | like Eastern Europe got a 10 megapixel camera |
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| [13:03:51] | ** gbee has a matx based backed/frontend ** | |
| [13:03:54] | Neeesat2: | Justinh: I thought thats the place to talk for mythtv and configurations? |
| [13:04:05] | justinh: | http://www.imageafter.com/image.php?image=b3_mechanics008.jpg |
| [13:04:18] | justinh: | the wiki? nah it's all about the feature requests |
| [13:04:25] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [13:04:34] | gbee: | DVB-S and DVB-Tx2 – not about to need more tuners, if I change anything it would be to add a dual DVB-S2 |
| [13:05:02] | gbee: | VGA to a HD tv? Shudder |
| [13:05:31] | gbee: | DVI at least, but HDMI FTW |
| [13:05:55] | gbee: | difference in quality between VGA and HDMI on my 720p set was incredible |
| [13:06:12] | justinh: | wonder where xbmc skin people steal their images. they do steal them, they must do |
| [13:06:13] | kslater: | Neeesat2: I bought (a cheapo) PC Chips A13G+ |
| [13:06:21] | kslater: | nvidia 6100 on board |
| [13:07:04] | kslater: | gbee: how did the quality improve? sharpness? |
| [13:07:07] | gbee: | justinh: want me to go out and take a bunch of photos? |
| [13:07:30] | Neeesat2: | ok thanks |
| [13:07:35] | gbee: | kslater: colour, sharpness, contrast (biggest improvement) etc |
| [13:07:45] | justinh: | gbee: s'ok I'll keep on searching |
| [13:08:13] | justinh: | if not I think I might download some 3d models & get grafting on blender |
| [13:08:14] | kslater: | well, I'd like to have spent more, but I was lucky to be able to afford what I did when I did |
| [13:08:35] | Neeesat2: | Thats micro ATX |
| [13:09:06] | kslater: | Neeesat2: for me, I didn't much care. I only need 1 or 2 tuners in that box |
| [13:09:23] | kslater: | the graphics are on the motherboard as is pretty much everything else I needed. |
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| [13:10:19] | gbee: | Neeesat2: this is what I built six months ago – http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
| [13:10:24] | justinh: | this is a new one on me http://www.mediaicons.org |
| [13:11:28] | justinh: | eew. lame |
| [13:11:40] | gbee: | ? |
| [13:11:56] | Neeesat2: | an MSI board |
| [13:12:28] | kslater: | gbee: what did you do for graphics? |
| [13:12:35] | gbee: | justinh: eww, ASP I see what you mean |
| [13:12:36] | justinh: | no gbee.. I mean the site I linked is lame |
| [13:12:47] | gbee: | kslater: onboard ATI x1250 HDMI |
| [13:13:02] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, it uses ASP ;) |
| [13:13:26] | gbee: | but what I really meant is what exactly makes it lame? |
| [13:13:53] | gbee: | first glance it seems like something that people might want to use for mythtv |
| [13:14:03] | justinh: | there's not very much content at all |
| [13:14:27] | justinh: | thetvdb.com has much, much more & better quality |
| [13:15:05] | GreyFoxx: | For Movie covers I kinda like the slightly turned and leanded back look :)_ |
| [13:15:21] | GreyFoxx: | and then when you focus on it have it turn face on |
| [13:15:44] | ** gbee stumbles across the gay porn covers and hits Alt-F4 ** | |
| [13:16:00] | justinh: | well yeah but that's why mythui is going to have transformations innit gbee ;) |
| [13:16:23] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: yeah, that's an effect that we can mimic with mythui given straight on cover images |
| [13:16:39] | gbee: | what justinh said |
| [13:16:45] | GreyFoxx: | I think that would look pretty darn cool |
| [13:17:29] | ** justinh makes a swooshing sound as he rotates the cover image ** | |
| [13:17:38] | GreyFoxx: | hehe that too :) |
| [13:19:16] | ** justinh is also an amateur sound designer :P ** | |
| [13:19:36] | ** gbee wonders if he should work on curved menus tonight ** | |
| [13:19:45] | gbee: | not like I'm doing anything better |
| [13:20:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [13:20:11] | justinh: | you do that I will SO check in a change to blootube-wide to make use of it. I swear |
| [13:20:18] | justinh: | :) |
| [13:20:21] | kslater: | which is the GeForce series to avoid due to lack of driver issues? |
| [13:20:24] | kslater: | 8? |
| [13:20:47] | GreyFoxx: | I have a pair of 8's in my main frontend that work just fine |
| [13:20:50] | htc_nick: | any1 up for fixing my problems? |
| [13:20:55] | justinh: | avoid a card due to a lack of issues with drivers? |
| [13:21:03] | kslater: | sorry |
| [13:21:07] | kslater: | bad wording |
| [13:21:08] | justinh: | htc_nick: nah. we can't help you get a girlfriend |
| [13:21:11] | kslater: | coffee not work |
| [13:21:36] | htc_nick: | gotta take divorce first before getting girlfriend :( |
| [13:21:43] | justinh: | though to kick that crack habit, try getting a friend to lock you in a room for a couple of weeks |
| [13:22:17] | justinh: | oh, you mean MYTHTV problems why didn't you say? :-D |
| [13:22:27] | justinh: | just ask already |
| [13:22:43] | kslater: | lol |
| [13:23:14] | htc_nick: | hehe mythtv works for everybody so it is not mythtv ... it is problem with me going my mythtv frankly. |
| [13:23:47] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [13:24:08] | justinh: | ah semantics. bloody hell. talk about taking things literally |
| [13:24:39] | htc_nick: | seeing Started PESPacket, but !payloadStart() in log |
| [13:24:44] | htc_nick: | but no picture on screen. |
| [13:24:57] | justinh: | sounds like you may need to re-scan |
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| [13:25:24] | htc_nick: | how do you setup DP34 on 1000+ dish? |
| [13:29:25] | kslater: | gbee: you made me feel bad, now I'm looking at an add-on graphics card to support HDMI out to the TV |
| [13:29:35] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [13:29:49] | sid3windr: | watch out for the internets |
| [13:30:23] | gbee: | kslater: I didn't mean to, I'm sorry :( |
| [13:30:57] | kslater: | hehe |
| [13:31:14] | gbee: | it might not even make as big a difference for you, but my experience was pretty dramatic |
| [13:31:29] | kslater: | at least I have that as an option, just moving from SD captures to HD captures is huge |
| [13:31:38] | justinh: | wow another useful site: www.brandsoftheworld.com |
| [13:58:00] | justinh: | meh. http://graphics.vfwds.com/ |
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| [14:04:55] | justinh: | stop press! mythtv was in a video which featured in a presentation! AWESOME! |
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| [14:06:31] | justinh: | I'd better watch the video to see if I need to contact my agent |
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| [14:09:10] | styelz: | uh oh, the secrets out |
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| [14:14:35] | sid3windr: | woah |
| [14:14:37] | sid3windr: | in a video?! |
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| [14:15:46] | justinh: | yeah the mythtv ui was featured in a video. you remember those super people who surveyed every FLOSS media centre? they were responsible. or something |
| [14:18:23] | justinh: | http://vimeo.com/1982143 |
| [14:18:51] | justinh: | you are KIDDING me. they bothered to capture video from other programs – but when it came to mythtv they pan & zoom around an OLD screenshot |
| [14:20:55] | justinh: | and then they spam the mailing list proudly announcing the fact :-\ wankers |
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| [14:24:38] | justinh: | that might just be the kick up the arse I needed to redo the myth promo |
| [14:25:02] | justinh: | like I've got nothing else to do. heh |
| [14:26:32] | jduggan: | nod |
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| [14:29:41] | justinh: | ah wait – I don't think they did capture video themselves. probably just used what's lying around on the interwebs already |
| [14:30:39] | gbee: | yeah the website and wiki contains some VERY old screenshots, not exactly helping ourselves there |
| [14:30:44] | justinh: | maybe they didn't have time, what with all their research.. I mean collating those survey results |
| [14:31:13] | justinh: | this is mythtv's dichotomy |
| [14:31:40] | justinh: | nobody seems to be bothered about promotion, users seem to worry about that |
| [14:32:30] | gbee: | I'm not sure I'm bothered about active promotion, but accurately portraying MythTV |
| [14:33:16] | justinh: | gimme some tips on enabling mythui movement effects by a hack & I'll put em in my video :D |
| [14:33:29] | justinh: | *coming eventually* |
| [14:33:32] | rodimus: | quick show of hands... does anyone actually *use* lirc_sir ? |
| [14:34:09] | justinh: | I wonder if my laptop is up to grabbing screencaps at 720p |
| [14:34:18] | justinh: | in real-ish time I mean... |
| [14:34:50] | justinh: | hrm... |
| [14:34:59] | rodimus: | I probably need to poll the mailing list or something |
| [14:38:24] | rodimus: | that would require me actually *reading* the users mailing list again though |
| [14:41:11] | jams: | gbee- i forget, were you planning on adding the ability find out which button on the main menu is active via the telnet port? We talked about in the past but i don't remember the outcome. |
| [14:42:11] | gbee: | jams: no, don't remember that |
| [14:42:20] | jams: | ok |
| [14:42:28] | gbee: | easy to do I'd guess |
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| [14:43:02] | sphery: | rodimus: regarding your question yesterday(?) about lirc_atiusb, there's definitely good reason to use LIRC over the kernel's "keyboard" driver for the Remote Wonder |
| [14:43:17] | jams: | it would be helpful, for my program what takes screenshots of myth |
| [14:43:18] | sphery: | rodimus: However, I'm using atilibusb |
| [14:44:22] | sphery: | I don't know if that's the "approved solution", but as long as I have a way to use LIRC with my ATI RW, I'm happy. |
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| [14:44:31] | rodimus: | sphery: ah, I noticed the lirc config file w/that in the name... not familiar with this setup... does lirc essentially talk directly to the receiver over usb, rather than via either the input side or lirc device? |
| [14:44:55] | rodimus: | the issue is that the upstream kernel won't take lirc_atiusb, since ati_remote is already there |
| [14:45:16] | sphery: | that's my understanding. |
| [14:45:35] | rodimus: | such being the case, I'm tempted to drop the lirc_atiusb portion of the lirc patch from the fedora kernel too, start forcing people over. :) |
| [14:46:12] | sphery: | Sounds good to me. I stopped using lirc_atiusb just because recompiling the kernel module on upgrade was a pain. Not required with atilibusb (no module). |
| [14:46:52] | rodimus: | gravy |
| [14:47:18] | rodimus: | I think there's still an outside shot of getting lirc_mceusb2, lirc_imon and maybe a few others in for 2.6.28... |
| [14:47:20] | sphery: | it seems there are plenty of ways to use the ATI RW without lirc_atiusb. I just don't want to use the kernel keyboard (where I would have to change key mappings in all my programs to work with the keys defined by the kernel) |
| [14:47:38] | sphery: | nice. good work, btw |
| [14:48:18] | rodimus: | been beating on lirc_imon heavily lately, seems to be in pretty good shape now — even supports the lcd-based devices out of the box now, complete with auto-detection and auto-config |
| [14:48:44] | rodimus: | still need to work on nuking lirc_mceusb by way of supporting the 1st-gen receiver in lirc_mceusb2 |
| [14:49:14] | rodimus: | buffer handling with the 1st-gen is a bit wacky though |
| [14:49:41] | rodimus: | the whole 'convert everything to evdev' muddies the picture a bit though |
| [14:49:45] | sphery: | sounds like your little side project has become quite an endeavor |
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| [14:49:49] | rodimus: | quite |
| [14:50:19] | rodimus: | I've got a collection of about a dozen different receivers now |
| [14:51:21] | sphery: | with evdev it won't send a key to the app /and/ send a LIRC message via the lircd, will it? |
| [14:51:27] | sphery: | that would make it unusable |
| [14:52:58] | rodimus: | the initial theory is to have a small ir library that reads from the input device... |
| [14:53:10] | rodimus: | X and/or lirc could talk to this library |
| [14:53:38] | rodimus: | so you could either get events straight into X (i.e. KEY_VOLUMEUP, etc.) |
| [14:53:46] | rodimus: | or feed them into lircd |
| [14:53:51] | rodimus: | or both if you like pain |
| [14:54:11] | sphery: | OK, so if you choose to use LIRC, it would "eat" the key presses, right? |
| [14:54:28] | rodimus: | its still purely theoretical, but jon smirl has at least a proof of concept evdev-integrated mceusb2 driver now |
| [14:54:35] | rodimus: | correct |
| [14:55:05] | rodimus: | attempting to port lirc_imon over is on my TODO list |
| [14:56:03] | sphery: | Cool. That would also have the benefit of eliminating the key definitions in lircd.conf (so people skip the correct portion of the 2-step config we have with lircd.conf/.lircrc--too many people wanting to just read LIRC button presses rather than using the LIRC abstraction). |
| [14:56:10] | rodimus: | christoph bartelmus is less than enthused by the evdev porting idea |
| [14:56:21] | rodimus: | but it may be necessary to actually get the stuff in upstream |
| [14:57:04] | rodimus: | yeah, also working on standardizing key names in lircd.conf files |
| [14:57:25] | directhex: | yay for evdev |
| [14:57:34] | rodimus: | gnome-lirc-properties is coming along nicely, spent a while beating on that yesterday to improve its autodetection/autoconfig support |
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| [14:58:04] | sphery: | Unfortunately, it may eliminate some current flexibility. The ATI RW has a mouse cursor "pad" (big round button with 8 directions). With LIRC's mouse support, you can use it as a mouse or you can leave out LIRC's mouse support and use it as 8 keys (I use it as 4 for better separation as it's hard to hit just the one you want). |
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| [14:58:43] | rodimus: | I generally like the evdev route too, but have concerns about the transition for users... |
| [14:59:09] | rodimus: | there's always the option to build the old lirc drivers out of cvs though |
| [14:59:10] | sphery: | I have more concerns about the transition for packagers--who are the ones the users hold accountable... :) |
| [14:59:17] | rodimus: | yeah, that too |
| [15:00:10] | rodimus: | just got an rwII the other day, I rather like the ati_remote2 driver so far, but I've not actually used it w/mythtv |
| [15:00:18] | sphery: | Yeah, and depending on the LIRC lib they use, it may still be possible to re-interpret mouse events as button events... I'll play it by ear when you get done--next month, maybe? |
| [15:00:43] | rodimus: | probably at least that long until there's something viable, yeah |
| [15:00:52] | sphery: | I wish you could still buy the RW I. It has a better feel than the RW II |
| [15:00:59] | rodimus: | technically, I'm only working on lirc in my own free time... :) |
| [15:01:08] | sphery: | wow |
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| [15:01:24] | sphery: | but will be a big benefit to your employer, right? |
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| [15:02:48] | rodimus: | well, the issue is that I'm actually in the RHEL kernel group... |
| [15:03:09] | sphery: | Oh. Probably not a lot of enterprises using remotes... |
| [15:03:46] | rodimus: | changing groups such that things like lirc *would* be legitimate parts of $dayjob is on the TODO list. :) |
| [15:04:22] | directhex: | i wonder if that ps3 bluetooth remote driver ever got passed to the lirc developers |
| [15:05:10] | rodimus: | directhex: not sure... would that be the one that registers an input device and whatnot? (by Aris Rozanski, if I'm not mistaken) |
| [15:06:02] | rodimus: | if its that one, I can walk down the hall about 20 feet and ask the author of said code... :) |
| [15:06:18] | directhex: | Anton Starikov did the last ps3 remote driver i saw |
| [15:07:09] | directhex: | prior to that i used my own hacked python-based script, based on something by Will Woods & Brett Rodgers |
| [15:08:05] | rodimus: | hrm |
| [15:09:41] | rodimus: | don't see anything at all in lirc for the ps3 |
| [15:10:21] | rodimus: | Aris actually said something to me yesterday about a pseudo-input driver for the ps3 remote |
| [15:10:32] | rodimus: | I'll have to ask him about it again |
| [15:10:58] | rodimus: | hm, I should probably get a bt adapter for my laptop one of these days... wish I opted for the built-in one after all... |
| [15:11:34] | r3z``: | My built in adapter is fricking out |
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| [15:11:39] | rodimus: | awesomely, I own the bluetooth packages in RHEL now for some reason, and I have *zero* bt hardware to work with... (well, outside the bt built into my powerbook) |
| [15:11:43] | r3z: | No way to disable inbios either :( |
| [15:11:57] | sphery: | depending on vendor of the laptop, it may be extremely easy to add the built-in BT module (I know it is for some Dell's) |
| [15:12:00] | r3z: | Every couple minutes "New USB Device Found" "New USB Device Found" |
| [15:12:22] | r3z: | I gotta take mine apart and just see if its loose or if it is soldered on. |
| [15:12:25] | rodimus: | sphery: ah yes, I should look at the lenovo FRU doc... |
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| [15:19:06] | rodimus: | ok, time to see if I can buy the internal adapter now |
| [15:19:47] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [15:26:04] | gbee: | justinh: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a132939 . . . channel.html |
| [15:26:36] | gbee: | that could well be the first addition to freeview in ages that is an improvement |
| [15:27:12] | gbee: | guess we'll see when it launches |
| [15:27:35] | rodimus: | holy crap, you can get a lenovo w700 laptop w/a quad-core proc |
| [15:28:14] | rodimus: | "laptop" being used loosely here |
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| [15:28:40] | rodimus: | wow did I get sidetracked, heh |
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| [15:36:51] | rodimus: | whee, bouncing around from dept to dept on the phone w/lenovo... |
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| [15:49:58] | iamlindoro_: | Doubles as a sterilization device if used lap-top |
| [15:52:14] | Gumby: | when setting up a recording via power search does "record at any time on any channel" make mythtv ignore any duplicate checking? |
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| [16:00:07] | rodimus: | sweet. bounce around to 7 different people, finally get told that they don't think I can get the bluetooth daughtercard after the fact, because I don't have the necessary internal antennas for it |
| [16:00:15] | rodimus: | since when does a bt adapter need antennas? |
| [16:00:54] | rodimus: | and why don't I see any in the FRU diagram? |
| [16:00:54] | Gumby: | I'd assume most internal bt adapters use antennas |
| [16:00:58] | Gumby: | just like wifi |
| [16:01:55] | Gumby: | make your own antennas |
| [16:01:55] | Gumby: | hehe |
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| [16:02:53] | wagnerrp: | most internal adapters have antenna running up with side of the screen |
| [16:03:01] | wagnerrp: | PCI based ones have external antenna |
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| [16:04:52] | rodimus: | the antenna assembly consists of four wires. three for wifi, one for wwan |
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| [16:13:41] | rinaldi_: | Hi, I'm trying to set up a mythtv box for my front room. When it comes down to TV cards, I already have a wintv nova-t. HOwver on top of this I want to have pay tv like setanta. Is there any hardware compatible that I would be able to do this with? I'm also planning on getting a nova-s plus as well for freesat. |
| [16:14:36] | iamlindoro_: | You can get an analog card and capture an output of your STB for your pay service. |
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| [16:15:12] | sphery: | Gumby: "Record at any time on any channel" does not circumvent duplicate checking. If you want to prevent duplicate checking, set duplicate checking to none. |
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| [16:16:11] | Gumby: | sphery: I thought not. I am seeing a hole in myth's duplicate checking for reoccurring shows |
| [16:16:24] | Gumby: | in regards to power searches |
| [16:16:28] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro, so I would have to have a set top box as well? |
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| [16:17:28] | Gumby: | if the title is different but the description and/or subtitle is the same and you have chose "record at any time on any channel" all matching queries still get recorded |
| [16:17:47] | Gumby: | sorry, if the title is the same |
| [16:17:53] | ** Gumby is just confusing himself now ** | |
| [16:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_: For Sky, yes. |
| [16:18:27] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro, I just read about something called the wintv-ci that you can use with tv cards, is that something that mythtv supports? |
| [16:19:09] | Gumby: | power search query matches seem to ignore any duplicate checking when "record at anytime on any channel" is selected. |
| [16:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_: Myth (more specifically Linux) supports some DVB card with CAMs, but you cannot to my knowledge purchase a CI in the UK, so they are useless to you |
| [16:19:17] | sphery: | rodimus: This is a pretty nice bluetooth adapter for laptops: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826995029 |
| [16:19:22] | rinaldi_: | after all, the main thing I want is setanta, not sky, and all that requires is a viewing card |
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| [16:19:54] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_: That is a different card than the type you are thinking, and is useless in linux |
| [16:19:57] | rodimus: | sphery: I was looking at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833242001 |
| [16:20:25] | sphery: | rodimus: same idea--plug and forget |
| [16:20:33] | rodimus: | yup |
| [16:20:41] | sphery: | I've tried the MoGo, but I'm sure the other is just as good |
| [16:21:10] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro: so this article i assume will only work in windows? http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200802/1202827803.html |
| [16:21:13] | sphery: | Also, you'd think that if they can make tiny BT modules like that the antenna wouldn't be that big an issue in the Lenovo |
| [16:21:23] | sphery: | Gumby: You've also confused me... |
| [16:22:00] | Gumby: | sphery: I'm working on unconfusing myself first, then I'll work on you |
| [16:22:39] | sphery: | Gumby: If the title is the same and the description and/or subtitle is the same, it still records sometimes? If so, it's probably due to the programid's being different (i.e. because they're provided by 2 different listings providers)... |
| [16:23:03] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_: if setanta provides a legit, legal CAM, then you can probably use it in linux, although the USB CI device will not work in linux, only cards with onboard CIs work in linux, and even then, pnly some of them |
| [16:23:49] | sphery: | rodimus: the MoGo Dapter went nicely with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826639003 |
| [16:23:57] | sphery: | but, again, any adapter would work |
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| [16:24:10] | sphery: | Just thought it was cool having the matching pair :) |
| [16:24:33] | sphery: | Of course, I got the x54 for 1/3 the price. |
| [16:26:03] | rodimus: | odd little device |
| [16:26:49] | rodimus: | and yeah, I agree on the antenna thing... And I just found the actual part number on my own, no thanks to lenovo |
| [16:27:06] | sphery: | lol |
| [16:27:10] | rodimus: | I'm inclined to go ahead and buy the internal one and put it in, despite what the guy on the phone claims |
| [16:27:22] | rodimus: | (assuming it isn't too egregiously expensive) |
| [16:27:32] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro:by a cam you mean this? http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/408107/SETANTA-CAM-PK in which case, what onboard CI would I be looking for? |
| [16:28:01] | sphery: | You've now got me wondering if my plan to add an internal BT module to a Dell Inspiron 1525 will work. According to the Service Manual, the module is easy to install (and they don't mention anything about hooking up an antenna, so I /think/ the antenna is built in, but...) |
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| [16:28:27] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_: You can do your own research, linuxtv.org |
| [16:28:37] | rinaldi_: | ok thanks |
| [16:28:45] | rodimus: | I've heard people are hacking apart usb bt adapters and shoving them into the acer aspire one, no antenna needed there either |
| [16:29:12] | rodimus: | just hooking it to the same mini-pci-e socket the wireless is in |
| [16:29:35] | rodimus: | and then wrapping it w/that transparentish orange tape |
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| [16:30:11] | rodimus: | I've got an aspire one myself, was contemplating doing that myself, but I'll probably just go w/a tiny external usb on for it |
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| [16:31:00] | gbee: | you can get BT adapters that barely project 4mm from the USB port |
| [16:31:33] | rodimus: | yup, that's plan B for my thinkpad if the internal option doesn't pan out |
| [16:31:59] | gbee: | that's what I'll be using with my AA1, not messing about taking the thing apart when it's highly unlikely I'll ever need to use all three USB ports at once |
| [16:32:34] | rodimus: | I've already had mine apart – dropped in an extra 1GB of RAM and swapped the wireless card out for an Intel iwl5350 |
| [16:32:56] | gbee: | ? |
| [16:33:23] | rodimus: | ? what? :) |
| [16:33:50] | gbee: | I've no need for more ram but I could maybe understand wanting just a little more, but why swap out the wireless? |
| [16:34:02] | gbee: | iwl5350 pre-n or something? |
| [16:34:04] | rodimus: | 802.11n |
| [16:34:05] | rodimus: | yep |
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| [16:34:20] | rodimus: | (card also does wimax, but fat load of good that'll do anytime soon) |
| [16:34:36] | sphery: | rodimus: If you want to try your luck, you may find BT modules on ebay--seems that a lot of people pull the modules from Dell's and put them on ebay |
| [16:34:48] | gbee: | hmm, might consider doing that when I a) See an 802.11n nework b) Need that speed |
| [16:34:56] | rodimus: | sphery: also a good idea |
| [16:35:21] | rodimus: | gbee: there's only 2 antenna in there, so you can't get the full 802.11n effect, but it does get about 2x the throughput of a g card |
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| [16:35:42] | rodimus: | (vs. the 802.11n in my thinkpad, which gets more like 4x the throughput of g) |
| [16:36:07] | sphery: | gbee: c) are at a place whose 802.11n is connected to the Internet at faster than 802.11g speeds... :) (Most hotels/restaurants around here share a 10Mb or less Internet pipe for all wireless users) |
| [16:36:37] | rodimus: | my home pipe is actually a tad bit faster than the max throughput of g |
| [16:36:42] | sphery: | nice |
| [16:37:00] | sphery: | I'm jealous. |
| [16:37:17] | gbee: | sphery: well exactly, no-one over here has net connection even as fast as g, let alone n speeds |
| [16:37:59] | gbee: | and I'm not going to be downloading huge files when away from the house or a proper wired connection anyway |
| [16:37:59] | rodimus: | I can stream hdtv video over n pretty reliably now too |
| [16:38:04] | sphery: | rodimus: of course the card does WiMax--it's an Intel. They really wanted that to fly. |
| [16:38:19] | rodimus: | sphery: I also had a spare 5150, no wimax. :) |
| [16:38:42] | sphery: | my upstream bandwidth limits me to poor-quality < SDTV resolution :( |
| [16:38:57] | rodimus: | Intel was handing 'em out up at the ottawa linux symposium if you knew the right people to talk to |
| [16:39:45] | rodimus: | ok, food time... |
| [16:39:55] | laga: | hum. do the geforce 8xxx cards support Xv picture controls these days? |
| [16:40:18] | iamlindoro_: | laga: I believe so |
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| [16:42:20] | sphery: | I thought they didn't because they were using the 3D pipeline for all future cards |
| [16:42:46] | sphery: | did nvidia backtrack on that idea and add support for >=6xxx cards? |
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| [16:46:50] | ** laga pokes iamlindoro_ ** | |
| [16:50:37] | Andrew_Barber: | i just tried using MTD for the first time to backup some dvd's....i ripped as ISO and burned to DVD, but the DVD doesn't play |
| [16:50:37] | iamlindoro_: | sorry, got called away |
| [16:52:02] | justinh: | sorry, I had a life for a couple of hours |
| [16:52:33] | justinh: | it's damn cold outside lately |
| [16:52:36] | laga: | yup |
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| [16:53:41] | Andrew_Barber: | any advice on making burning an ISO as a playable DVD? |
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| [16:59:07] | jmichelsen: | I have mythtv running, everythings working good but I have a question about the IMDB covers for my movies being downloaded. Is there a way to set it mythtv to autodownload the info/covers for all movies or new movies? |
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| [17:00:08] | sphery: | Andrew_Barber: I think the problem is that the DVD's you ripped were encrypted. How to duplicate encrypted DVD's is not a discussion for this channel (and is not supported by Myth). |
| [17:00:57] | sphery: | jmichelsen: nope (and, as a matter of fact, the imdb.pl script will be going away in the next version due to TOS violations) |
| [17:01:15] | jmichelsen: | ah that's no good |
| [17:01:25] | sphery: | jmichelsen: on the bright side, GreyFoxx has been working on some scripts that will likely be better integrated into MythVideo, possibly allowing what you want. |
| [17:01:25] | jmichelsen: | will there be any new way implimented? |
| [17:01:34] | jmichelsen: | neet |
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| [17:01:47] | jmichelsen: | sphery: any idea where it will pull the info? if not imdb |
| [17:01:48] | sphery: | so, for now, the answer is patience (and, possibly, a little help once 0.22 comes out) |
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| [17:02:03] | sphery: | omdb and/or themoviedb (tmdb) |
| [17:02:14] | jmichelsen: | sphery: any idea what TOS were violated? |
| [17:02:27] | sphery: | also he has one for TV (that may be integrated into both MythVideo and mythbackend/mythfrontend) |
| [17:02:27] | iamlindoro_: | The "You cannot scrape from this site" one comes to mind |
| [17:02:31] | sphery: | yep |
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| [17:02:50] | sphery: | basically, IMDB steals user-submitted data and won't let anyone use it |
| [17:03:00] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:03:33] | sphery: | it's cddb, again, so now some are making freedb-like sites |
| [17:04:59] | jmichelsen: | sphery: very nice |
| [17:05:05] | iamlindoro_: | laga, sphery, see post 4 in this thread: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=104334 |
| [17:05:27] | jmichelsen: | sphery: open source will always come out on top ;)- |
| [17:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | If I read that correctly it seems picture controls should still be supported |
| [17:05:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: nice |
| [17:06:16] | jmichelsen: | sphery: your mentioned TV support, you mean a free guide for tv channels like SDirect, without a fee? |
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| [17:06:41] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [17:06:51] | sphery: | jmichelsen: nope, more like a way to pull down descriptions of tv series (i.e. for the TV on DVD box sets, etc) |
| [17:06:54] | iamlindoro_: | He means for television shows (like from series DVDs) within MythVideo |
| [17:07:10] | jmichelsen: | sphery: ah understood |
| [17:07:19] | jmichelsen: | sphery: that's usefull too, very nice |
| [17:07:21] | sphery: | though it may--assuming licensing isn't an issue--allow pulling down "banner art" and other things like that for use in the recordings section |
| [17:07:39] | jmichelsen: | sphery: even cooler |
| [17:07:41] | ** sphery tries to remember the name of the tv site... ** | |
| [17:08:01] | iamlindoro_: | thetvdb.com |
| [17:08:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: nice memory |
| [17:08:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Chatted with Greyfoxx a bit about it while he was implementing it |
| [17:08:41] | jmichelsen: | sphery: the way my mythtv/TV input is set up I can manually name TV shows I record but that's about it, they all record as unknown, (I know why and don't think there is a way to fix cos I use antenna for my tv and record has to be on ch3) |
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| [17:08:51] | sphery: | jmichelsen: see http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=80348 bottom of page for examples of banners |
| [17:09:04] | jmichelsen: | looking now |
| [17:09:16] | iamlindoro_: | Love that show |
| [17:09:19] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:09:23] | jmichelsen: | very cool |
| [17:09:44] | sphery: | jmichelsen: you should be able to get good listings data for your shows |
| [17:09:52] | iamlindoro_: | One of the four or five I can actually keep up with, everything else is getting saved for mid-season and summer hiatus |
| [17:10:43] | jmichelsen: | sphery: you mean with my current setup? or in general from the site |
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| [17:11:31] | GreyFoxx: | Chuck rocks |
| [17:12:14] | sphery: | jmichelsen: I'm assuming you're using a STB that outputs via RF-modulated output (coax) as channel 3. You simply set up your system with one video source that corresponds to the channels that can be received by the STB, then you specify an external channel-change script that changes channels on the STB. (And, if the "Preset tuner to channel" settings is non-functional--as it may be--have the external channel change script set ... |
| [17:12:21] | sphery: | ... the capture card to channel 3.) |
| [17:12:21] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I have an analog capture card + TV antenna + DTV Converter box. In order for mythtv to get the tv input it has to be set on ch3 internally, channels change on the DTV box externally. Are you saying there is another way to do this sy mythtv can actually use guide info properly? |
| [17:12:58] | ** sphery thinks he answered that above, but if you have further questions, please say so ** | |
| [17:13:38] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I am fairly new here so I am not sure about all the TV terms, what's a STB ? |
| [17:13:51] | sphery: | the only problem with Chuck is that NBC is disappointed with its drop in viewership (meaning, I fear non-renewal) |
| [17:14:05] | sphery: | STB = set-top box (that's your DTV converter box) |
| [17:14:14] | jmichelsen: | sphery: ah, right |
| [17:14:39] | jmichelsen: | sphery: so yea, you got me pretty much, but to have an external channel change, do I have to have an IR Blaster |
| [17:14:52] | sphery: | so, basically set up Sched Direct with a lineup that has the DTV channels your STB picks up, then create a video source in Myth using that lineup |
| [17:15:12] | sphery: | then, yes, you'll need an IR transmitter or IR blaster to send a channel change to the STB |
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| [17:16:18] | sphery: | Even if you don't have that, though, you can at least get good title/listings--you'll just have to tell myth to change channel (and set it up to use /bin/true as a channel change script or use a script that changes the capture card to channel 3), then change the channel manually on the STB |
| [17:16:26] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks he remembers someone mentioning that the RF-in "start on channel" bit was broken ** | |
| [17:16:45] | iamlindoro_: | Which is good because it's the worst possible output, yuck |
| [17:17:01] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I am a bit confused still though,,about having the capture card set to ch3 all the time, but have it think it's a different channel? get diff listings for each? |
| [17:17:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, people have been saying that for >2yrs, now, but I've never felt it was worthwhile to test... :) |
| [17:17:17] | sphery: | (let alone fix) |
| [17:17:22] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: heh |
| [17:18:52] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I ask the myth mailing list about this, and got 1 reply just telling me I have to do it the way I have it or get a digital tuner + Ir blaster |
| [17:19:20] | iamlindoro_: | You wouldn't need an ir blaster with a digital tuner. |
| [17:19:29] | jmichelsen: | sphery: maybe I will take another stab at it, is there any documentation about the way your talking about setting it up? |
| [17:19:31] | iamlindoro_: | as you can't capture STB output with a digital tuner. |
| [17:19:45] | jmichelsen: | iamlindor_ oh |
| [17:19:48] | sphery: | basically, the IR transmitter/blaster allows Myth to change the channel by itself. You can still do everything else--including get good listings data in Myth--without the transmitter |
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| [17:20:19] | clev: | sphery: yeah, i used mythtv for a week without an ir blaster :P |
| [17:20:24] | sphery: | but, you'll still have to manually change the channel (or, at least set up the DTV box to automatically change to the right channels at the right times, assuming it has a programmable feature) |
| [17:20:40] | clev: | it was fun having to run to the STB every 30mins to obey the orders that came out of the speakers |
| [17:20:58] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I don't think it does BUT I have no gripe about using a separate remote for the DTV box |
| [17:21:21] | jmichelsen: | sphery: getting proper listing data would be great though |
| [17:21:26] | sphery: | clev: I built MythTV when I didn't have an IR blaster, but once I found out that I needed different hardware (old Via chipset/ivtv incompatibility), I ordered new hardware and had built an IR blaster before the new hardware arrived. :) |
| [17:21:36] | clev: | sphery: my ir blaster broke on a dist-upgrade |
| [17:22:04] | clev: | i havent realy fixed it even now, i just installed an older kernel and loaded the original working .ko files |
| [17:22:08] | sphery: | jmichelsen: yeah, no reason you can't have good listings data in there. Sorry I didn't see your e-mail on -users, but I've been trying to waste--I mean spend--less time reading/replying to -users. |
| [17:22:32] | jmichelsen: | sphery: haha no problem, I understand there is such a flood of questions on there |
| [17:22:40] | jmichelsen: | sphery: this was about a week or 2 ago |
| [17:22:53] | sphery: | clev: so you had the box play a "change channel" audio command. :) |
| [17:23:14] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: I think sphery will agree with me here, the users list is the *wrong* place to go for right answers in general |
| [17:23:16] | sphery: | jmichelsen: well, at least we crossed paths in here |
| [17:23:24] | jmichelsen: | sphery: are there any docs to do what your talking about? |
| [17:23:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yep |
| [17:23:26] | clev: | sphery: i changed my channel change script to use text2wav to bark orders, and it also captured the STB with a webcam |
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| [17:23:41] | clev: | sphery: i could then open the channel.jpg and verify if it was on the right channel |
| [17:23:46] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: I saw a response that was probably four hundred lines long this morning, responding to about six questions, and EVERY SINGLE answer was outright wrong |
| [17:23:48] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: haha thanks for the tip, I have read like all the archives, I had some issues I couldn't get resolved |
| [17:23:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Google being the right place |
| [17:24:08] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Do you know the thread I am talking about from this morning? I think you responded to it some time later |
| [17:24:20] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: I ended up working through my problems on my own |
| [17:24:23] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: the first response was a very long one, and every... single... part of it was outright wrong |
| [17:24:26] | sphery: | clev: is text2wav from festival? |
| [17:24:32] | Led-Hed: | I have a mix of Firewire Capture cards and PVR-250's, Whats the best way to handle HD vs SD recordings |
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| [17:24:55] | clev: | sphery: yep, #!/usr/bin/festival --script |
| [17:24:55] | sphery: | I want TTS, but I don't use GCC version 0.1, so... |
| [17:25:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I waited 'til the 6th response to reply |
| [17:25:27] | clev: | sphery: ive still left that feature in even after fixing my ir blaster |
| [17:25:43] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /236358.html |
| [17:25:46] | clev: | sphery: it barks out a channel and i can check that the blaster didnt screw up, and optionaly ssh in and blast again |
| [17:25:46] | iamlindoro_: | That's the one |
| [17:26:02] | sphery: | Led-Hed: best way is to not use SD (I've become an HDTV snob) |
| [17:26:06] | clev: | sphery: i plan to OCR the webcam image to have it verify things on its own, and reblast |
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| [17:26:18] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: how do people get thinks so wrong ;) |
| [17:26:20] | Led-Hed: | sphery, but not all channels are available in HD. |
| [17:26:24] | sphery: | Led-Hed: for real, though, what do you mean "best way to handle"? |
| [17:26:38] | Led-Hed: | My kids like to recoed Nickelodeon and its SD |
| [17:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: By speaking up and offering their guesses as fact without stating that they're guesses |
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| [17:27:12] | Led-Hed: | sphery, well I dont want Firewire trying to record on CH 3 |
| [17:27:15] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: very nice hah |
| [17:27:29] | Led-Hed: | and I dont want PVR's recording on channels aboce 99 |
| [17:27:39] | ** Led-Hed cant type today ** | |
| [17:27:40] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: We get a bit of that in here but generally we are irritable enough to smack those people ;) |
| [17:27:53] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: well another question I have, my tv sound unsyncs occasionally, if I exit back to the main menu and go back into tv it is ok again, is this common? |
| [17:27:58] | sphery: | Led-Hed: you'll need 2 video sources, one for the list of channels that the analog capture cards can get and one for the list of channels the firewire can get |
| [17:28:03] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_ haha |
| [17:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | Whereas you look at a giant oozing mass of wrong on the users list and just go... "Meh... I just can't deal with that." |
| [17:28:26] | clev: | jmichelsen: usualy ff/rw will also fix sync problems in most video players |
| [17:28:47] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: starting mythfrontend with the argument "-v playback" will give you diagnostic info on that kind of problem-- it's sometimes related to the system simply being too slow to handle it |
| [17:28:53] | Led-Hed: | sphery, ok, but what if I want to record "Heros" but its listed on CH 3 and CH 792 |
| [17:28:54] | sphery: | jmichelsen: that's probably an issue with the DTV box and/or A/V receiver |
| [17:29:27] | jmichelsen: | sphery: my card is really crappy, so I thought I would blame it, mixed with the DTV box |
| [17:29:31] | Led-Hed: | is there a way to make it choose the HD channel is a Firewire Capture device is available |
| [17:29:49] | sphery: | Led-Hed: when you connect inputs (in Input Connections in mythtv-setup), specify your most-preferred inputs first |
| [17:29:52] | iamlindoro_: | Led-Hed: Make the firewire tuner a higher priority tuner |
| [17:30:11] | sphery: | Led-Hed: then fine-tune with priority |
| [17:30:24] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, but wont that cause SD recordings to try and record on the Firewire? |
| [17:30:30] | sphery: | and priority can be on a per input or per channel basis |
| [17:30:45] | Led-Hed: | ok, thanks. Will try that out. |
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| [17:31:13] | sphery: | Led-Hed: best description is: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 (and, yes, please read the whole section) |
| [17:31:36] | sphery: | If you do, you will understand Myth better than 99.999999% of users on -users |
| [17:31:43] | Led-Hed: | would be nice if you could make a rule that said, Record CH 733 if Input 1 or 2 is available, else fall back to Input 3 on CH 3 |
| [17:31:53] | sphery: | (so imagine if you were to read the rest of the HOWTO, too...) |
| [17:32:09] | jmichelsen: | I have another question lol, this is my first try at myth so I am still trying to get a handle on how everything works, what actually plays the music in MythMusic plugin? what default audio player is it? |
| [17:32:17] | sphery: | Led-Hed: that's exactly what will happen if you set up your inputs/priorities properly |
| [17:32:28] | Led-Hed: | sphery, what actually already reading that |
| [17:32:46] | Led-Hed: | was |
| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | jmic: Myth has it's own internal video and audio playes |
| [17:33:07] | GreyFoxx: | mythmusic uses the internal audio playback |
| [17:33:20] | sphery: | Led-Hed: though, note that if you use "this channel" recording rules, you'll need to ensure that you specify the same exact callsign for the analog and digital versions of the channels (i.e. the same callsign for the same channels on the 2 different video sources). Edit callsign in mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor. |
| [17:33:24] | jmichelsen: | GreyFoxx: that's what I thought, is there a way to tell it to use a different one? |
| [17:33:30] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [17:33:39] | GreyFoxx: | You can for mythvideo |
| [17:33:42] | GreyFoxx: | but not mythmusic |
| [17:34:23] | sphery: | but you can use mythvideo to play music with an external player by using filename extensions and mapping a player to that extension |
| [17:34:26] | jmichelsen: | GreyFoxx: ok I forget the problem I had with mythmusic to spawn this question but good to know |
| [17:34:26] | Led-Hed: | sphery, was reading that, so by changing the call sign in the channel editor, myth considers either channel 700 or 10 vaible for recording |
| [17:34:37] | jmichelsen: | sphery: also good to know |
| [17:34:41] | jmichelsen: | you guys are great! |
| [17:34:56] | sphery: | and, if you use something like an m3u or pls, you can even have playlists (so you don't have to choose individual songs to play each time a song ends) |
| [17:34:57] | jmichelsen: | haven't gotten this much info on myth since I first heard the words lol |
| [17:35:11] | sphery: | though, the OC side of me would have a problem using MythVideo to play music. |
| [17:35:20] | jmichelsen: | sphery: awesome |
| [17:35:22] | GreyFoxx: | hehe me too |
| [17:35:31] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I like mythmusic but I think I had a problem with volume |
| [17:36:00] | jmichelsen: | when you set the volume on a song, on the next song it seems to reset to default volume, is that right? |
| [17:36:12] | GreyFoxx: | Can't say I've ever seen that happen |
| [17:36:36] | sphery: | jmichelsen: You should /only/ use MythTV (and plugins) to change the volume if you have internal volume controls enabled |
| [17:36:56] | sphery: | otherwise, yes, if you start playing a song and use alsamixer to change volume, then it will reset the next time it "starts" playback. |
| [17:36:58] | Led-Hed: | wasnt there talk of revamping the MythMusic interface? Or has it become a seperate plugin? |
| [17:37:04] | jmichelsen: | sphery: im not sure what you mean..sorry |
| [17:37:15] | sphery: | jmichelsen: how did you change the volume? |
| [17:37:19] | GreyFoxx: | mythmusic hsa always been a seperate plugin |
| [17:37:21] | jmichelsen: | sphery: oh, no I was using mythmusic to change the volume |
| [17:37:25] | jmichelsen: | im pretty sure |
| [17:37:58] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Had done a lot of changes to it's interface, but I have no idea how far he got with it |
| [17:37:59] | sphery: | Led-Hed: gbee is doing the mythui conversion, and--based on how much time he spent fixing UI weirdness in other plugins--I'm guessing MythMusic will get a nice UI refresh in the process |
| [17:38:17] | Led-Hed: | cool |
| [17:38:19] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: oh, he's already done MythMusic? |
| [17:38:35] | sphery: | I use -fixes on my production boxes, and haven't had occasion to start MythMusic on my dev box |
| [17:38:35] | GreyFoxx: | I thought he had done stuff with it a couple months ago |
| [17:39:03] | sphery: | jmichelsen: if you used mythmusic to change volume, it should remember that volume for the next time you use mythmusic. |
| [17:39:03] | GreyFoxx: | to be honest I can't say if it's "done" |
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| [17:39:29] | sphery: | jmichelsen: you may just be suffering from a problem of having tons of MP3's/whatever with different volume levels |
| [17:39:31] | Led-Hed: | an iTunes like interface would be nice, but I'm not sure how you could navigate it with a remote control |
| [17:39:47] | sphery: | jmichelsen: Myth doesn't currently have any ReplayGain-type support (though there's been talk and some preliminary patches) |
| [17:40:30] | jmichelsen: | sphery: cool cool, I will have to test a few things and make sure what's going on |
| [17:40:34] | GreyFoxx: | There is no interface that will make everyone happy |
| [17:40:45] | GreyFoxx: | users who use myth on a desk want something different than someone with a TV/remote |
| [17:40:49] | Led-Hed: | GreyFoxx, agreed |
| [17:40:53] | sphery: | you can please some of the users some of the time, but you can't please all of the users all of the time |
| [17:40:56] | GreyFoxx: | and even they want something different to someone with a flatscreen + remote +keyboard |
| [17:42:00] | Led-Hed: | ya. its just that the current UI feels a little clunky, though I'm not sure how you could improve it and still keep it usable via remote control |
| [17:42:04] | sphery: | QtScript ftw!!!! |
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| [17:42:43] | jmichelsen: | are any of you guys lirc gurus ;) |
| [17:43:17] | Led-Hed: | So I tried playing a HD recording on my current frontend. 100% CPU and very choppy |
| [17:43:21] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: many of us know it very well, but you will seldom get volunteers as it's one of the more irritating things to help people who don't understand it troubleshoot |
| [17:43:21] | sphery: | not a guru, but happy to pretend I know what I'm talking about... |
| [17:43:36] | Led-Hed: | frontend was Athlon XP 3200+ |
| [17:43:39] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: man so right, it is such a pain |
| [17:43:53] | Led-Hed: | underclocked to 1200 (100x12) |
| [17:43:58] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: I actually think I can fix my problem so no worries, just wanted to test the water |
| [17:44:12] | sphery: | Led-Hed: that may be right on the edge... Make sure you try it with the Slim playback profile group chosen--it uses the least resource-intensive deinterlacers |
| [17:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: The first two or three times you set it up, yes... then you start to get it, and you start to wonder how anyone could *not* get it |
| [17:44:21] | sphery: | Led-Hed: otherwise, you may have to go with xvmc |
| [17:44:24] | Led-Hed: | even at full clock its at 95% usage, but playback is smooth |
| [17:44:25] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: There is no harm in asking your question, not trying to dissuade you |
| [17:45:00] | jmichelsen: | well, I have an ATi remote wonder I, and it just has been so troublesome to set up |
| [17:45:10] | ** sphery uses ATI RW I ** | |
| [17:45:11] | Led-Hed: | sphery, slim playback? where dp I set that? |
| [17:45:25] | sphery: | Led-Hed: TV Settings|Playback (somewhere around page 3) |
| [17:45:29] | Led-Hed: | thanks |
| [17:45:41] | sphery: | yours is probably on CPU+ right now |
| [17:45:45] | sphery: | not a good choice |
| [17:46:06] | jmichelsen: | I finally thought I had it working using ati_remote driver and an lirc config, but then I moved my pc to the tv, (its my desktop, testing the myth setup before building a box for it exclusively, no network by tv) and the remote stopped working |
| [17:46:06] | sphery: | jmichelsen: which distro? |
| [17:46:17] | jmichelsen: | sphery: xubuntu 8.04 |
| [17:46:47] | jmichelsen: | sphery: what distro are you on? |
| [17:46:56] | sphery: | don't know what they recommend, but I'm using atilibusb which is wonderful because there are no kernel modules required... The receiver is just treated as a normal USB device using libusb |
| [17:47:07] | ** sphery avoids answering the distro question ** | |
| [17:47:14] | jmichelsen: | sphery: lol |
| [17:47:17] | rodimus: | sphery: nicely dodged |
| [17:47:36] | justinh: | heh |
| [17:47:40] | jmichelsen: | sphery: well the only way I could get the remote to even recognize and take input was using ati_remote |
| [17:48:16] | jmichelsen: | but I thought I got it working, rebooted a few times, then did a cold boot and it wouldn't work again lol |
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| [17:48:40] | jmichelsen: | every reboot it was ok, when cold booted connected to the tv I couldn't get it working again |
| [17:48:51] | sphery: | I--being extremely OC--do the worst possible thing when it comes to using GNU/Linux and don't use a distro--my approach wastes countless hours, but makes my OC side happy. |
| [17:48:58] | ** iamlindoro_ remembers not rebooting his first mythbox for months for fear lirc would die on him ** | |
| [17:49:24] | sphery: | rodimus: is ati_remote the driver that uses the kernel's input driver? |
| [17:49:38] | jmichelsen: | sphery: yea, its keyboard emulator really |
| [17:49:47] | jmichelsen: | sphery: using kernal driver |
| [17:49:53] | laga: | iamlindoro_: awesome. so that's another reason to get the 8xxx one |
| [17:49:55] | jmichelsen: | sphery: and I would love to get it working a better way |
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| [17:50:11] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Between that and potential CUDA support down the road it seems a decent choice |
| [17:50:17] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: same here but I have to move the PC to the tv cos no network connection at the tv lol |
| [17:50:23] | sphery: | so, you probably just need to blacklist that driver to allow you to either a) load a LIRC driver or b) use something like libusb directly (with LIRC's atilibusb) |
| [17:50:30] | iamlindoro_: | well, it has CUDA support, of course, just mean CUDA h.264/codec accel |
| [17:50:46] | jmichelsen: | sphery: been there ;) blacklisted them, tried for 3 weeks to get lirc driver to work |
| [17:50:55] | sphery: | unless, of course, the LIRC driver can eat the "keyboard" keypresses from the input device |
| [17:50:56] | jmichelsen: | sphery: emailed the userlist, got zero reples |
| [17:50:57] | laga: | iamlindoro_: yeah. |
| [17:51:35] | sphery: | Hmmm. Though I use the same remote, you'd probably have much better luck finding a *buntu user who uses the remote. |
| [17:51:39] | Led-Hed: | can I delete channels from a Video Source? |
| [17:51:46] | sphery: | Led-Hed: yep, hit d |
| [17:51:52] | Led-Hed: | thank you |
| [17:51:56] | sphery: | (in the channel editor when the chanenl is selected) |
| [17:52:03] | Led-Hed: | right |
| [17:52:19] | jmichelsen: | sphery: yea, well after 3 weeks of asking anyone I could, reading anything I could on the remote and fighting it myself, I had given up asking anyone till now lol |
| [17:53:10] | sphery: | Led-Hed: though for analog channels, it will get re-added to the video source when you next run your grabber unless you a) remove the channel from the lineup/xmltv config or b) run mythfilldatabase with the --remove-new-channels argument |
| [17:53:41] | Led-Hed: | sphery, thank you, I was wondering about that |
| [17:54:10] | sphery: | jmichelsen: sorry I can't be more help... Unfortunately, the LIRC config is closely tied to how the distro planned for you to use that remote (i.e. in choice of driver) |
| [17:54:21] | justinh: | interesting neighbour from down the street. just asked me if I'd like to buy some weed. oh how the property prices round here will rise |
| [17:55:09] | ** sphery thought gbee had already fixed #5833 ** | |
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| [17:55:53] | sphery: | So, thoughts... Is the R5000-based approach to HDTV via satellite worthwhile considering the HD-PVR? |
| [17:56:15] | justinh: | expensive, but you should get all you pay for |
| [17:56:35] | sphery: | also wondering about legality of it... Pretty sure it's grey, if not black. |
| [17:56:49] | justinh: | nah it's grey |
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| [17:57:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'd be inclined to call it grey |
| [17:57:44] | justinh: | at worst it's likely just a violation of T&Cs |
| [17:57:44] | sphery: | Guess it probably comes down to a service agreement issue. |
| [17:57:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:57:59] | justinh: | you still need a valid subscription |
| [17:58:14] | justinh: | ergo, not theft of service, so likely not illegal |
| [17:59:03] | sphery: | yeah, wondering if it falls under the DMCA's "circumvention of technological measures for protecting copyrighted content" |
| [17:59:15] | laga: | justinh: did you buy some? |
| [17:59:19] | sphery: | like you said, you still need a subscription |
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| [17:59:45] | justinh: | laga: no use to me |
| [17:59:48] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:00:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It seems the (US based) provider of the hardware mod would have been sued into oblivion if it were indefensible |
| [18:00:13] | justinh: | my dbox2 days are over :P |
| [18:00:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: that's a good point, too |
| [18:02:24] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Much as personal opinions and the law have nothing to do with one another, my feeling is, given you can't get extra channels and must have a valid subscription, that it's not particularly unethical either |
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| [18:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | I'd quate it as about on par with modchipping a game system |
| [18:03:25] | iamlindoro_: | er equate |
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| [18:04:02] | justinh: | heh. the police are quite interested in paying the newly moved in house occupiers a visit. oops. not sure my wife would approve |
| [18:04:41] | justinh: | who the hell in their right mind moves to a new house & then tries to peddle drugs door to door? lol |
| [18:05:20] | justinh: | does that make me vindictive? |
| [18:05:47] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Ah, I figured it out-- The reason they specifically do not install the mods on boxes with firewire (and thus 5C capable) is to avoid DMCA entanglement |
| [18:06:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ie they *only* build mods for boxes that have no DRM to sidestep |
| [18:06:18] | laga: | justinh: ouch |
| [18:08:34] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: hey, so you said that an digital TV capture want be able to take input from my DTV box right? |
| [18:09:17] | jmichelsen: | wont* |
| [18:09:24] | justinh: | jmichelsen: you can't do that with a digital tuner card |
| [18:09:39] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: That's correct. Some/Many digital tuners are also capable of analog capture, but that is comparitively low quality, no longer digital, and always SD |
| [18:09:47] | Led-Hed: | when connecting multiple STB can you just daisy chain them together, or should they each have a direct connection to the computers Firewire port/hub? |
| [18:10:09] | iamlindoro_: | Led-Hed: The former is possible, the latter is more stable for some people. |
| [18:10:19] | iamlindoro_: | I personally daisy chain without issue. |
| [18:10:24] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: justinh: I see, thanks for the info |
| [18:10:29] | Led-Hed: | I'll try that also. |
| [18:10:54] | Led-Hed: | just seems like a lot of trouble to connect each one to the PC. |
| [18:11:21] | iamlindoro_: | You have a low threshhold for what trouble is |
| [18:11:29] | jmichelsen: | haha |
| [18:11:32] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [18:13:08] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: just curious, what distro do you use for myth? |
| [18:13:11] | Led-Hed: | well I was thinking of using 4 STB's, and most Firewire cards only have 2 external ports, so I was wondering if I had to get a 2nd card, or a Firewire Hub (Is such a thing exists), or daisy chain. Chain is easier than a 2nd card. If Hub is cheap then that would be my perfered method |
| [18:13:16] | jmichelsen: | anyone else feel free to answer that also |
| [18:13:43] | sphery: | jmichelsen: if you have a digital tuner card, you have no need for the DTV converter box |
| [18:13:53] | Led-Hed: | jmichelsen, I've used, Fedora, Ubuntu, and Gentoo. Ubuntu was the easiest |
| [18:13:56] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: I use/have used a fair amount (started on Mandrake, used fedora and gentoo at various times), although my current setups are debian and ubuntu systems. |
| [18:14:06] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I was thinking of buying a digital tuner is why I asked about that |
| [18:14:30] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: and which did you find the most stable? best for you? |
| [18:14:35] | ** sphery swears every time he sees the "DTV 2009 Countdown" messages on HDTV channels that say, "If you are receiving this (HDTV) channel via an antenna, additional steps are required to prevent interruption of service..." ** | |
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| [18:15:08] | jmichelsen: | sphery: but if I have a digital tuner I can bypass that ...duh lol I didn't even think of that...thanks sphery |
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| [18:15:09] | sphery: | I'm using an antenna and an HDTV tuner and they tell me I need to take additional steps... |
| [18:15:20] | Led-Hed: | lol, who uses an antenna for SDTV anymore? |
| [18:15:26] | jmichelsen: | ME! |
| [18:15:36] | jmichelsen: | lol |
| [18:15:39] | Led-Hed: | Cable is in like 95% of the homes in the US |
| [18:15:42] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: I can make any of them work with near-identical behavior, so I'm honestly sort of "meh" on that whole question-- I did my most recent setup with Mythbuntu, because I'd rather spend my time tweaking an operation system than waiting on various packages to install and get it "just so" |
| [18:15:47] | jmichelsen: | Led-Hed: I am cheap |
| [18:15:52] | iamlindoro_: | er an operational |
| [18:15:53] | sphery: | jmichelsen: also, the same antenna you use for SDTV will work for HDTV. Don't buy into the "you need an HDTV antenna" sham |
| [18:16:32] | sphery: | jmichelsen: for a while, at least, the "HDTV" or "Digital" antennae were actually just UHF-only antennae--i.e. less functional than the SDTV antennae |
| [18:16:38] | jmichelsen: | sphery: I am using a 10$ ebay tuner card and an antenna..i don't "buy" anything ;) |
| [18:16:52] | jmichelsen: | sphery: gotcha |
| [18:17:39] | jmichelsen: | sphery: so I may buy a digital tune eventually to bypass the tuner box, keeping my old antenna |
| [18:17:52] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: good info, thanks |
| [18:17:53] | AndyCap: | sphery: but you can't fit a hdtv signal through a sdtv antenna. that's obvious. :> |
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| [18:18:33] | iamlindoro_: | "Awww, sorry mister, yer antenna's only rated for four eighty pee. This... well, this is gonna cost yer." |
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| [18:18:50] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: though you are obviously more experienced with mythtv, most the docs I find are fedora based setup guides and stuff, |
| [18:18:54] | ** AndyCap is going to ask the next time he visits a big-box retailer. ** | |
| [18:19:18] | sphery: | AndyCap: I forgot... There is a lot more data, so you probably need a thicker piece of metal... |
| [18:19:24] | jmichelsen: | haha |
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| [18:19:38] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: In general each distro has at least one decent source of myth documentation, but all the core information is included in Myths distro-agnostic documentation |
| [18:19:42] | jmichelsen: | can you daisy chain metal? ;) |
| [18:19:57] | justinh: | AndyCap: this is why some hdmi cables cost $40000000 |
| [18:19:58] | jmichelsen: | mythtv.org/docs? |
| [18:20:06] | justinh: | they're BETTER than one which only costs $2 |
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| [18:20:13] | justinh: | why? |
| [18:20:21] | justinh: | because they just ARE, k? |
| [18:20:23] | AndyCap: | jmichelsen: why yes of course! http://blogofwishes.com/wp-content/uploads/20 . . . tshirt_1.jpg |
| [18:20:25] | sphery: | justinh: what about the ethernet cables (with directional arrows) for the audio/video receiver... |
| [18:20:29] | iamlindoro_: | For fedora, the go-to guide has always been Jarod Wilson's. For Ubuntu, the Mythbuntu manual is good. For Gentoo, their wiki has a good howto. For a from-source guide, the myth docs are best. |
| [18:20:40] | jmichelsen: | AndyCap: haha |
| [18:20:42] | AndyCap: | sphery: argh, die, denon, die |
| [18:20:44] | justinh: | sphery: I'd expect to have to pay at least $1500 |
| [18:21:03] | ** justinh pats his gold-plated optical cables ** | |
| [18:21:04] | rodimus: | iamlindoro: Jarod's guide is mostly defunct now, he's a slacker and hasn't updated it in ages... :) |
| [18:21:06] | AndyCap: | but you need a 0.90c power cable to go with that |
| [18:21:17] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: yes, the one at mythtv.org is by far the most definitive... just that some steps don't apply for certain packaged versions that take care of steps for you |
| [18:21:22] | AndyCap: | rodimus: would beer help? |
| [18:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | rodimus: Slacker! ;) |
| [18:21:32] | justinh: | rodimus: yeah these people get a book deal & it goes to their head :P |
| [18:21:41] | rodimus: | heh |
| [18:21:50] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: great, il read over those again |
| [18:21:52] | sphery: | For anyone wanting to bring out "all the nuances" of digital audio: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
| [18:21:53] | rodimus: | this thing called 'free time' would help |
| [18:22:04] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, still covers some of the basics in an easy-to-understand way-- the myth wiki also has one or two decent fedora walktrhoughs |
| [18:22:09] | rodimus: | see, I got stupid and had kids... :) |
| [18:22:18] | AndyCap: | sphery: I find there's a lot of nuances in Hifi I don't like. :) |
| [18:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | althought he downfall of the myth wiki is articles like "How to install on fedora." |
| [18:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | "how to install on "fedora core" |
| [18:22:26] | justinh: | like trying to have kids doesn't eat up time too :D |
| [18:22:32] | iamlindoro_: | "how to install on red had fedora core" |
| [18:22:36] | jmichelsen: | there is so much more to tv that what I though |
| [18:22:37] | jmichelsen: | lol |
| [18:22:45] | iamlindoro_: | hot to install on teh red hats fed0ra core l33t version" |
| [18:22:53] | iamlindoro_: | all in varying states of wrongness |
| [18:22:55] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: I have read over Jarods guide |
| [18:23:22] | rodimus: | someday I might have time to rewrite it |
| [18:23:27] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: Even if it is a litle out of date, the good news is you should come away from that understanding the basic concepts |
| [18:23:31] | AndyCap: | Oh man, it's on sale. only £1925 http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20VALHALLA%20Power.htm you need one for your frontend |
| [18:23:51] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: yea that's why im here |
| [18:23:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: "How to install on Fedora Core 8", "How to install of Fedora Core 9", "How to install on Ubuntu Breezy", "How to install on Ubuntu Hardy", ... |
| [18:24:00] | justinh: | is there some way I can still pay the original price? |
| [18:24:01] | AndyCap: | and it was 0.90c plus. :) |
| [18:24:03] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: so much I don't understand about mythtv |
| [18:24:08] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yay! this is why we need MOAR WIKI MODZ |
| [18:24:14] | justinh: | I fear the cheapness will make it suck |
| [18:24:18] | rodimus: | but really, has installing mythtv changed much anytime lately? |
| [18:24:38] | justinh: | only the underlying distro, in real terms I think |
| [18:25:14] | rodimus: | and even then, really only shit like nvidia drivers, where to get 3rd-party kernel modules, supported capture devices etc. is really any different |
| [18:25:21] | iamlindoro_: | rodimus: Well, I have yet to see a guide to certain new features (multirec, storage groups, playback profiles) that a total newbie could understand, but then again, I can't complain as I haven't written one. |
| [18:25:37] | sphery: | rodimus: and firewire support... :) |
| [18:25:51] | rodimus: | sphery: shit, that's right... :( |
| [18:25:53] | justinh: | I've yet to see a complete newbie who can google |
| [18:26:03] | rodimus: | yeah, I still need to spend some time beating on the new stack to make it actually work |
| [18:26:06] | jmichelsen: | lol |
| [18:26:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: My guide to Playback Profiles: "Choose the Slim playback profile group" |
| [18:26:09] | jmichelsen: | what's google? |
| [18:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, my advice too usually |
| [18:26:22] | sphery: | an entity that does no harm (in public) |
| [18:26:28] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: boo, the correct question is "Who is a google." |
| [18:26:43] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: hahah yea really |
| [18:26:46] | sphery: | How many is a Googol? |
| [18:26:47] | rodimus: | on the bright side, a LOT of stuff has just recently been fixed in the isochronous reception code in the new firewire stack, so its *possible* that mpeg2ts over firewire actually works now... |
| [18:26:57] | rodimus: | (well, once all the new kernel bits are in place, anyway) |
| [18:27:16] | rodimus: | (hey, I should slap the current linux1394-git tree onto the F10 kernel...) |
| [18:27:18] | jmichelsen: | 1+1million 0s |
| [18:27:34] | ** iamlindoro_ would be happy if anything came off of firewire with even marginally correct PTS timecodes ** | |
| [18:28:21] | AndyCap: | rodimus: is it an improvement, the last radical fedora firewirechange totally bombed. :) |
| [18:28:23] | iamlindoro_: | which has exactly nothing to do with raw1394, just shaking my fist at the cable co/Motorola |
| [18:28:43] | rodimus: | iamlindoro_: david moore actually did just write proper timecode stuff for iso recv... works for iidc and dv, dunno about mpeg2ts yet... |
| [18:28:57] | ** iamlindoro_ 's ears perk up ** | |
| [18:29:01] | rodimus: | AndyCap: well, this is "continuing improvements" to that same initial change... |
| [18:29:12] | AndyCap: | win |
| [18:29:16] | iamlindoro_: | rodimus: Do send along my "let me have your babies," then |
| [18:29:27] | rodimus: | but yeah, the new stack was, um, maybe a bit premature |
| [18:29:54] | iamlindoro_: | like clever on prom night |
| [18:29:59] | rodimus: | theoretically, in 2.6.28, it will have caught up to and passed the old stack in all ways, save ip over 1394 (but who the fuck does that anyway?) |
| [18:30:40] | jmichelsen: | does anyone use the HDHomerun here? that any good? |
| [18:31:18] | iamlindoro_: | rodimus: Yeah, broken/negative PTS causes lossless via mythtranscode to hork, I wouldn't mind it being fixed in the firewire stack so long as it ends up working someday |
| [18:31:19] | AndyCap: | rodimus: could just dma the packet buffers across. :P |
| [18:31:29] | iamlindoro_: | probably the day that the cable co turns on 5C for me, sigh |
| [18:31:44] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: yes, the HDHomerun is very very highly thought of |
| [18:32:08] | iamlindoro_: | They are very open with the OSS community, the hardware is sturdly, and by all accounts most people don't regret the purchase |
| [18:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | er sturdy |
| [18:32:18] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: it's a digi HD tuner right? |
| [18:32:26] | sphery: | i like sturdly better |
| [18:32:51] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: HS tuner is by definition digital, and yes, it is a dual digital tuner |
| [18:32:57] | jmichelsen: | guess I will do some more research on them, maybe il get me one |
| [18:33:05] | jmichelsen: | dual? awesome |
| [18:33:13] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: ie, anyone trying to sell an "HD Tuner" is just sexing up their name for a digital tuner |
| [18:33:24] | jmichelsen: | haha |
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| [18:33:29] | jmichelsen: | kink |
| [18:33:33] | jmichelsen: | kinky |
| [18:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | Bah, cannot type to save my life today |
| [18:33:42] | dashcloud: | you can always check their channels page to see what others have gotten in the way of channels there: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [18:34:21] | jmichelsen: | great |
| [18:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | And that will more or less apply to any digital tuner, not just the HDHomeRun |
| [18:34:47] | jmichelsen: | cool cool |
| [18:34:53] | jmichelsen: | yea I think il get me one of these |
| [18:34:55] | dashcloud: | just be careful: it will show neighboring (as in number-wise, not necessarily location-wise) zip codes |
| [18:35:07] | dashcloud: | if the one you put in isn't in the DB |
| [18:35:12] | ** sphery wonders if the sale on the HDHomeRun is still on... ** | |
| [18:35:12] | jmichelsen: | oh ok |
| [18:35:13] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: Don't buy it straight through them, there is a sale right now, let me get you the link |
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| [18:35:18] | ** rodimus uses an HDHR ** | |
| [18:35:25] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: awesome glad I asked |
| [18:35:41] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: http://www.geektonic.com/2008/10/deal-of-day- . . . un-dual.html |
| [18:36:09] | jmichelsen: | 139? not too bad, what's the reg price? |
| [18:36:25] | sphery: | that's it... |
| [18:36:27] | sphery: | $30 more |
| [18:36:32] | iamlindoro_: | I think the retail price *used* to be near $170 |
| [18:36:43] | iamlindoro_: | maybe even higher at release ($199?) |
| [18:37:12] | sphery: | yeah, newegg's price is $168.99 and the code gives you a $30 discount |
| [18:37:49] | jmichelsen: | oh |
| [18:37:55] | jmichelsen: | even better, newegg |
| [18:38:00] | jmichelsen: | ot |
| [18:38:01] | jmichelsen: | oh |
| [18:38:04] | jmichelsen: | that's the link hah |
| [18:38:34] | jmichelsen: | so, how does the ethernet interface work? |
| [18:38:47] | iamlindoro_: | the pluggy bit goes in the boxy bit |
| [18:38:50] | jmichelsen: | hah |
| [18:38:54] | sphery: | though, now that I found the e-mail, it was listed as a 24-hour deal |
| [18:38:55] | jmichelsen: | il read the docs lol |
| [18:39:01] | sphery: | //promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Oct-0-2008/PROCT14thin/index-landing.html" rel="nofollow">http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Oct-0-20 . . . dcontact.com |
| [18:39:25] | sphery: | Hmmm... Should look at the GET params before pasting... |
| [18:39:27] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: It's not any different than any other tuner device, just network attached. Myth treats it as any other tuner device. |
| [18:40:00] | sphery: | http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Oct-0-20 . . . Promowording |
| [18:40:01] | jmichelsen: | cool cool |
| [18:40:03] | sphery: | better |
| [18:40:25] | iamlindoro_: | It'll get an IP address from your network (so you will want to set up a static DHCP map, probably) and it has its own tuner type in mythtv-setup, and that's about it |
| [18:41:05] | sphery: | do most who use it use a separate NIC/network for just the HDHomeRun? |
| [18:41:06] | jmichelsen: | does that have an IR reciever built in? |
| [18:41:18] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: Yes, it does. |
| [18:41:22] | jmichelsen: | awesome |
| [18:41:23] | sphery: | if not, do you ever have throughput issues (especially with commflag, etc.) |
| [18:41:44] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: why would commflag affect the HDHomerun? |
| [18:42:03] | sphery: | if commflag is being done from network storage or by a host other than the record host |
| [18:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: You'd have to have pretty painfully limited network bandwidth to not have 20–40 Mbit free, but I guess it's possible |
| [18:42:42] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: and with a dual tuner, can you split input from an antenna with some sort of splitter? |
| [18:42:47] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: yes. |
| [18:42:52] | jmichelsen: | great |
| [18:43:23] | jmichelsen: | I think il get this then, would be nice I think |
| [18:43:38] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I guess I just come from the spoiled perspective of GigE and never using a network mount recording device |
| [18:43:38] | AndyCap: | jmichelsen: if your signal is marginal you'd need an amp too |
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| [18:43:56] | jmichelsen: | amp, is there a technical term for it ? id have to look that up |
| [18:44:10] | iamlindoro_: | cable drop amp, cable amplifier, antenna pre-amp, etc. |
| [18:44:12] | AndyCap: | umm, apmlifier. :) |
| [18:44:17] | jmichelsen: | hah |
| [18:44:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I don't have network storage, but I do have commflag jobs run on hosts other than the record host sometimes. |
| [18:44:19] | AndyCap: | ah, doh. typo |
| [18:44:21] | jmichelsen: | k thanks |
| [18:44:27] | sphery: | also, my backends have 100Mb cards |
| [18:45:02] | sphery: | I'm trying to decide if I should get an antenna pre-amplifier instead of the distribution amplifier I'm currently using. |
| [18:45:29] | ** iamlindoro_ is in lurve with his 8 port PCT drop amp ** | |
| [18:45:38] | sphery: | I need an RF engineer to fix my antenna--signal strength dropped from high 80%'s across the board to around 50–65% |
| [18:46:38] | sphery: | for almost 2 years it was perfect, then I had a skylight installed and the installer put a metal tube through the middle and I noticed a drop in signal strength, but when I moved the antenna, signal strength didn't improve |
| [18:46:45] | sphery: | I'm running out of ideas on how to fix it. |
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| [18:49:50] | sphery: | I have to stop reading the user comments on the newegg page for the HDHomeRun... There's no way to correct the incorrect statements (i.e. people who think digital = HDTV and vice versa). |
| [18:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | Is there a "x of y users found this statement helpful/correct?" |
| [18:51:27] | jmichelsen: | hahah |
| [18:51:42] | jmichelsen: | you are OC ;) |
| [18:53:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: actually, yes... |
| [18:53:07] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: you mean the x of y users are dolts button? |
| [18:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Not perfect, but at least it's something |
| [18:53:26] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Sadly it relies on the moderation to be more intelligent than the review |
| [18:53:46] | sphery: | I'm thinking, "I have tried and returned 5 (count 'em...FIVE) ATSC tuner cards from Howpage (2 models), ATeye, Pintacle, Vista Vue. Although most worked OK, none of them were stable, some not even lasting a day before a reboot was required." is not a problem with the Hauppauge cards, but with the choice of OS... |
| [18:54:01] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: these would be the same people who read hifi magazines. |
| [18:55:35] | iamlindoro_: | Mmm, howpage |
| [18:56:19] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:56:28] | sphery: | how page, indeed... |
| [18:56:39] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: "Cons: It said it did Digital Cable, and I have Charter Digital Cable. I was expecting to replace my set top box and trade my on demand for some local Hi-Def channels. However, the HDHomeRun cannot tune channels 1–80 as they are broadcasted in analog. This leaves only the free local channels Charter is required by law to broadcast unencrypted over the cable. The same exact channels you can get if you use an antenna strapped to your roof. |
| [18:56:49] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: all of which has WHAT to do with the HDHomeRun? |
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| [18:57:01] | iamlindoro_: | so why does *it* deserve two eggs? |
| [18:57:27] | jmichelsen: | haha |
| [18:57:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Uh, SiliconDust should fix that, obviously. |
| [18:57:47] | sphery: | If it doesn't steal cable, what's the point? |
| [18:58:26] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Not unlike the users post from the guy who said "I'm an FTA guy" this week |
| [18:58:46] | iamlindoro_: | wait'll he realizes that myth DVB-S support won't do what his steally *cough* "FTA" box does |
| [18:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | "second question, guys... where do I put my NAGRA keys in??" |
| [18:59:25] | sphery: | Yeah. I think (real) FTA in the US = NASA TV and maybe some test pattern |
| [18:59:33] | iamlindoro_: | and GodVision |
| [18:59:38] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
| [18:59:40] | GreyFoxx: | Actually there is a lot of stuff, just spreasd all over |
| [18:59:42] | sphery: | forgot that one |
| [18:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | and tons of radio |
| [18:59:47] | sphery: | really |
| [18:59:48] | GreyFoxx: | and non english channels |
| [18:59:50] | sphery: | I'm surprise |
| [18:59:52] | sphery: | d |
| [18:59:59] | GreyFoxx: | If you have arotor you cna find tons |
| [19:00:15] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: But how much of watchable caliber? |
| [19:00:25] | GreyFoxx: | Depends on the watcher I suppose :) |
| [19:00:26] | iamlindoro_: | for the *average* (read: me) viewer, that is |
| [19:00:44] | GreyFoxx: | I'm planning on picking up a rotor to play aruond with it myself |
| [19:00:52] | iamlindoro_: | ie, does not attend prayer group regularly, prefers native language channels |
| [19:00:53] | sphery: | and what size dish? Are we talking the ones people consider eye-sores? |
| [19:00:56] | GreyFoxx: | we found a HD movie channel in the clear once |
| [19:01:10] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:01:12] | GreyFoxx: | spher: You can see a lot with the small dishes, but the bigger the better |
| [19:01:51] | sphery: | interesting |
| [19:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly I just wish sat providers would sell cams |
| [19:02:07] | GreyFoxx: | Just imagine how many would switch |
| [19:02:11] | GreyFoxx: | Even the "pirates" |
| [19:02:22] | GreyFoxx: | who would rather save the constant maintenance effort |
| [19:02:29] | iamlindoro_: | If I had the right view of the sky, I would be with Dish + R5000 already |
| [19:02:38] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yeah, it would be nice |
| [19:02:41] | GreyFoxx: | iam: I've seriously considered that too |
| [19:03:07] | sphery: | and, if it gets people to stop saying, "I'm trying to get Myth working with sasc-ng and ..." |
| [19:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | Spher: If I could buy 1 from one of the companies my creditcard would be out so fast there'd be a sonic boom |
| [19:03:28] | jmichelsen: | haha |
| [19:03:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: there will always be the YARRR pirates of course |
| [19:03:34] | jmichelsen: | haha |
| [19:03:34] | GreyFoxx: | It's a instant sourc eof revenue |
| [19:03:41] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:03:51] | GreyFoxx: | die hards wouldn't pay |
| [19:03:58] | sphery: | but it's probably the content owners, not the broadcasters, that prevent it in the US. |
| [19:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | but the average person would be tripping over themselves |
| [19:04:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: interestingly so much of that content is rebroadcast in the clear in other countries/places with CAMs |
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| [19:04:40] | sphery: | after all, making the signal available makes the content available, so people could just record a perfect digital copy of <insert movie name> and then it might get out there on that Internet-thingy... |
| [19:06:13] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, got a 10% off coupon for any ebay purchase. Wonder if I need anything. |
| [19:06:16] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I agree. Though I can record shows off TV and then cut commercials and make a DVD, I just buy the DVD box sets because it's a lot cheaper when you factor in time, plus I get extras (plus, I don't have to worry about the writers actually getting any money from the sale :) |
| [19:06:40] | sphery: | how can you have a 10% off for ebay purchase? |
| [19:06:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Pay via paypal, they cover the 10% |
| [19:07:00] | sphery: | wow... Any limits? |
| [19:07:05] | xv6800: | how long myth_scanner takes to scan channels? |
| [19:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: max discount of $100 |
| [19:07:16] | GreyFoxx: | spher: yeah same here |
| [19:07:34] | sphery: | xv6800: a full scan typically takes me somewhere around 5 minutes or so, I think, maybe |
| [19:07:35] | jmichelsen: | with the HDhomerun, I wonder if I could daisy chain my net connection from my pc to it instead of it have its own connection in.. |
| [19:07:59] | sphery: | jmichelsen: I think many people may just hook it to their network switches |
| [19:08:00] | xv6800: | ok so will wait for 15 minutes for 3 satellites. |
| [19:08:00] | jmichelsen: | wireless connection in to pc> eth out to td |
| [19:08:13] | jmichelsen: | td=tuner) |
| [19:08:18] | sphery: | jmichelsen: or did you mean one ethernet cable drop for the room? |
| [19:08:42] | sphery: | xv6800: for satellite, it may take longer (though I've never done DVB-S) |
| [19:08:56] | GreyFoxx: | iam: The r5000 thing looks VERY attractive. No multirec but still nicer than analog recording from them |
| [19:09:03] | GreyFoxx: | just a little too steep for me |
| [19:09:13] | jmichelsen: | well I want the tuner near the tv, but my network doesn't reach out there |
| [19:09:18] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: why not just an HD-PVR? |
| [19:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Take a look at the self-install kits |
| [19:09:38] | GreyFoxx: | I just don't understand some companies. They go out of their way to avoid tkaing some peoples money |
| [19:10:06] | sphery: | jmichelsen: by the TV because that's where the cable from the antenna goes? |
| [19:10:08] | GreyFoxx: | spher: Personally I want a cam that supports multiple streams for multirec |
| [19:10:11] | jmichelsen: | yea |
| [19:10:20] | sphery: | jmichelsen: if so, I'd recommend just dropping a new network cable |
| [19:10:23] | GreyFoxx: | But even if it was a single stream I'd live with that cause I want to avoid the analog step |
| [19:10:28] | jmichelsen: | sphery: and I would want to use the IR reciever on the tuner |
| [19:10:32] | GreyFoxx: | but if it came dowjn to it I'd get a hdpvr |
| [19:10:34] | jmichelsen: | I don't have a backend in a separate room |
| [19:10:59] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I see. |
| [19:11:29] | jmichelsen: | sphery: there is no way to get networking cable in that room lol, it would have to be wireless |
| [19:11:57] | sphery: | hmmm... that's tricky, then |
| [19:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | Wireless anywhere along the path the recording will travel is a bad bad thing |
| [19:12:12] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_ the signal won't travel on the paht |
| [19:12:24] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if he can find a pvr500 on ebay ** | |
| [19:12:27] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: actually there would really be no need to have net on the tuner, im a simple man |
| [19:12:41] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: there would be if you get an HDHomeRun, it's the only way it will connect. |
| [19:12:54] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I know where you could get a PVR-350, PVR-250, PVR-150 and PAL PVR-150 for free :) |
| [19:13:00] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: ohhhh |
| [19:13:04] | GreyFoxx: | oh ? |
| [19:13:08] | GreyFoxx: | Dumpster diving ? hehe |
| [19:13:08] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: that's the only signal out.... |
| [19:13:16] | sphery: | from my junk room... |
| [19:13:18] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: correct. |
| [19:13:27] | iamlindoro_: | and the entire network patch from it to your backend should wired |
| [19:13:29] | GreyFoxx: | spher: Spares on the shelf? |
| [19:13:39] | sphery: | yeah... I don't have any analog signals, anymore |
| [19:13:39] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: I don't get how this thing works quite yet lol |
| [19:13:57] | iamlindoro_: | 802.11g does NOT have the bandwidth to handle dual full-bitrate recordings, no matter how much they tell you you would get 54 Mbit |
| [19:14:09] | GreyFoxx: | spher: If you are looking to rid yourself of them ..... Though you might be able to make a couple bucks with them off ebay or something :) |
| [19:14:21] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: if you want them, let me know. I'd rather someone get some use out of them and I doubt I'll get around to ebay'ing them, and besides, it's the least I could do for a Myth dev |
| [19:14:50] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: I was thinking about it backwards, I think it will be fine |
| [19:14:50] | iamlindoro_: | Real throughput of 802.11g is closer to 27 Mbitish, and two HD recordings going at once would be 40 Mbit, ergo, E_NOTENOUGHBANDWIDTH |
| [19:15:15] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: Dunno how you were thinking of it, just saying that the entire network path between the |
| [19:15:22] | iamlindoro_: | HDHomerun and your backend *must* be wired |
| [19:15:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: They haven't fixed that, either? That HDHomeRun is terrible. ;) |
| [19:16:07] | jmichelsen: | the backend is the frontend and that box will be wireless connected to the net, but the HDhomerun would be wired into that box, that would work ok?, there are no other frontends |
| [19:16:24] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: bastards! |
| [19:16:32] | GreyFoxx: | spher: woop :) I'll let you know :) |
| [19:16:33] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: That should be fine |
| [19:16:48] | GreyFoxx: | I need to redo my wiring at home |
| [19:16:55] | GreyFoxx: | and pickup an amp :) |
| [19:16:57] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: k great |
| [19:17:30] | clev: | GreyFoxx: what about power usage? |
| [19:17:53] | GreyFoxx: | I need to redo it anyway, regardless of power :) |
| [19:18:13] | clev: | im checking the watt usage on things now that i got a kill-a-watt |
| [19:18:26] | GreyFoxx: | I keep meaning to pickup one of them |
| [19:18:32] | clev: | my main tv takes 0 watts when off, which is odd since most of my other crap has standby usage |
| [19:18:38] | GreyFoxx: | a coworker has one but I keep forgetting to borrow it |
| [19:18:43] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Cool. PM me or e-mail me. I have IR receivers with the 350 and 250, the 150's are just the card. Let me know which you want--you're welcome to all of them (including the PAL 150 if you really want it :) |
| [19:18:46] | clev: | i got one thru ebay |
| [19:18:57] | sid3windr: | mm, pal |
| [19:19:19] | GreyFoxx: | spher: I'd use the pal one with my cap camera with zoneminder heh |
| [19:19:28] | sphery: | nice :) |
| [19:19:28] | clev: | GreyFoxx: for example, the tv in the kitchen takes maybe 5watts when off |
| [19:19:40] | sphery: | the PAL one is the only never-before-used one :) |
| [19:19:41] | GreyFoxx: | clev: that's where powerbars come in handy |
| [19:19:44] | clev: | the fridge also takes ~8watts when 'off' |
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| [19:19:57] | clev: | GreyFoxx: power bars wont help for a fridge |
| [19:20:06] | GreyFoxx: | clev: Of course |
| [19:20:19] | ** sphery keeps his power bars in the fridge... ** | |
| [19:20:27] | sphery: | mmmm. cold cardboard. |
| [19:20:30] | clev: | lol |
| [19:20:57] | clev: | something else that was fun to see, i can cut 10 watts ouf of my laptop simply by lowering the cpu freq |
| [19:21:27] | laga: | oh shit |
| [19:21:33] | laga: | you need to tell intel about that |
| [19:21:44] | clev: | letting powernowd manage the cpu and keep it 'slow' will save power |
| [19:21:45] | sphery: | My laptop has run >99% of its uptime at the lowest frequency setting |
| [19:22:11] | clev: | sphery: im trying to clear out some old boinc jobs right now so i try to keep it max lately |
| [19:22:35] | sphery: | yeah, I don't do BOINC on my laptop, so that's not a problem for me. |
| [19:22:37] | clev: | wait, crap, im running the wrong boinc, i had to reboot |
| [19:23:00] | clev: | i have a boinc on the network and local drive |
| [19:23:09] | clev: | was running the local when away |
| [19:23:15] | clev: | now i need to clear it of jobs |
| [19:23:40] | sphery: | Hmmm. Total credit: 1,379,355 |
| [19:24:02] | sphery: | wonder how much higher it would be if one of my systems hadn't lost a HDD 3 days ago. :) |
| [19:24:43] | clev: | i have it setup so my nfsroot systems run the boinc at /home/boinc/`hostname`/boinc |
| [19:26:00] | laga: | oops, just unplugged my laptop. that saved a lot of power :) |
| [19:26:15] | sphery: | what's the kill-a-watt show now? |
| [19:26:24] | clev: | youll just draw more then normal when you plug it back in |
| [19:26:25] | clev: | as it charges |
| [19:26:35] | laga: | sphery: i dunno |
| [19:26:37] | laga: | it turned off |
| [19:26:41] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:26:44] | clev: | lol |
| [19:26:51] | clev: | mine doesnt shutdown when it reads 0 |
| [19:27:10] | laga: | mine tends to shut down when i don't have the battery in there |
| [19:27:18] | clev: | mine doesnt even have a batery! |
| [19:27:32] | clev: | model p4400 |
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| [19:42:58] | laga: | justinh: what FSP PSU do you have? |
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| [19:45:20] | iamlindoro_: | Little Big Planet recalled worldwide because the soundtrack contains 9 words quoted from the Koran which was offensive to some. |
| [19:45:21] | iamlindoro_: | Wow. |
| [19:45:40] | iamlindoro_: | Way to be a bunch of wimps, Sony. |
| [19:46:08] | justinh: | laga: dunno, came with my lc02 case |
| [19:46:16] | laga: | justinh: ah, ok |
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| [19:53:06] | sebrock: | Hmm Hi guys, Is there a way to make fast forwarding and backwards working better when on a network with separate frontend/backend? Got gigabit LAN but if I FF faster that 5x it usually locks after a while and playing returns me to the place where I first started FF-ing |
| [19:54:53] | justinh: | sounds like you FF too fast already |
| [19:55:06] | justinh: | even my epia never had an issue with that |
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| [19:56:03] | sebrock: | my specs are gigabit LAN (wired) and a 2Ghz core2duo... |
| [19:56:22] | justinh: | maybe the recordedseek table needs some attention |
| [19:56:35] | sebrock: | what is defined there? |
| [19:56:44] | justinh: | or maybe your recordings partition is a teensy bit fragmented |
| [19:57:02] | sebrock: | It doesnt matter if its recordings or DVD images or avis or whaterver... |
| [19:57:22] | justinh: | as it records, myth keeps a record of timestamps of keyframes & puts em in recordedseek (among other stuff) |
| [19:57:22] | sebrock: | recordingspartition is XFS |
| [19:57:36] | sphery: | sebrock: more likely a problem with the decoding than with the network bandwidth |
| [19:57:46] | justinh: | it's how when you go fwd one minute, you really do go fwd only one minute ;) |
| [19:57:52] | sebrock: | it happens on all stuff tho |
| [19:58:09] | sebrock: | 3x is fine, 5x is fine for about 10 seconds |
| [19:58:18] | sebrock: | seems to be almost like data is not keeping up |
| [19:58:19] | sphery: | sebrock: though by not using NFS (i.e. enable the setting, "Always stream recordings from the backend") |
| [19:58:25] | sphery: | you may have better results |
| [19:58:46] | directhex: | iamlindoro, yet resistance fall of man has a shootout in a church |
| [19:59:11] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Played Dead Space yet? |
| [19:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | pretty fun so long as you keep the contrast turned down |
| [19:59:35] | directhex: | friday? oh, righ, it was out today |
| [19:59:36] | sebrock: | sphery, maybe so, but that would not explain the trouble in DVD images etc... |
| [19:59:51] | otwin: | sebrock: i've seen that on the appletv when cpu is in c3 state. does ifconfig show errors on the net interface? |
| [20:00:24] | directhex: | ah, wait, out next week |
| [20:00:25] | sphery: | sebrock: I admit it wouldn't /solve/ the trouble in DVD images |
| [20:00:40] | directhex: | Pre-order. | Due for release on 24/10/2008 |
| [20:01:17] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: people are breaking street dates right and left around here-- all three of the games I care about from this month are already being pirated |
| [20:01:45] | directhex: | i still need to finish lost odyssey |
| [20:01:55] | directhex: | also, you're not on my PSN or XBL contact lists |
| [20:02:04] | AndyCap: | which reminds me. the third futurama movie should be winging its way to me soonish I hope |
| [20:02:13] | sebrock: | otwin, no no errors or dropped packets |
| [20:02:25] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Same name for you on both? I am the same nick |
| [20:02:34] | directhex: | iamlindoro, aye |
| [20:03:05] | iamlindoro_: | I really need to start using the PS3 more-- maybe buy Fallout 3 for that |
| [20:03:16] | sphery: | I need to catch up on the Futurama movies... |
| [20:03:28] | directhex: | iamlindoro, would you prefer it on ps3? |
| [20:03:51] | directhex: | iamlindoro, do you prefer sixaxis to a 360 pad? |
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| [20:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: probably only because my display device is 1080p and I don't have a fancy enough 360 to do better than 1080i |
| [20:04:30] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, why, your tv doesn't take 1080p over component? |
| [20:04:44] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: it does, but the XBox limits component to 1080i |
| [20:05:03] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, ? they changed that about 18 months or so |
| [20:05:07] | directhex: | ago |
| [20:05:11] | directhex: | in a firmware update |
| [20:05:11] | iamlindoro_: | naw, really?? |
| [20:05:13] | iamlindoro_: | Wow. |
| [20:05:22] | iamlindoro_: | Shows how much I know-- will need to move it back downstairs, then |
| [20:05:46] | directhex: | conversely my tv isn't 1080p, so i gain nothing |
| [20:06:03] | directhex: | guaranteed though, i have 1080p as an option |
| [20:06:07] | directhex: | just turned on the 360 |
| [20:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | Nice! |
| [20:06:28] | directhex: | crap, gotta watch the new south park ep |
| [20:06:33] | iamlindoro_: | I always enjoy playing more downstairs anyway, as the screen is huge and so much fun for immersive games like that |
| [20:11:21] | sphery: | heh... On -users list: (talking about how he hasn't seen any 64-bit issues) "I guess running gentoo helps in this respect since we compile everything from source." I sure wonder what those packagers are using to compile... |
| [20:12:32] | justinh: | abacuses? :P |
| [20:12:52] | justinh: | karnaugh maps? |
| [20:13:42] | sphery: | I wonder if they have to translate source themselves... If not, I feel guilty for not providing any karnaugh map patches with my source code patches. |
| [20:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Also, they have fancy cflagzzzzzz |
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| [20:18:37] | iamlindoro_: | When a program (namely, myth) has to remove configure flags because your distro as a whole is silly, that is a bad sign |
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| [20:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | Well neat, now I get to switch my upstairs frontend to a nice quiet little system. Fun! |
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| [20:28:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: true--though there is something to the idea of allowing a user to decide on a whim how to compile a package rather than trusting some packager--who has been working/communicating with the developers of the app as well as the others involved in designing/configuring the distro--to make the right choices. (Oops. I was really trying to avoid starting a distro war.) |
| [20:29:56] | jams: | sphery- don't worry, everybody already knows the outcome so it will be short |
| [20:30:05] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:30:43] | iamlindoro_: | And that outcome is... exherbo |
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| [20:31:26] | iamlindoro_: | Exherbmyth... where you're provided with a sheaf of printouts of ones and zeros and if you can't make Myth outta that, TOO GODDAMN BAD. |
| [20:32:02] | jams: | "but we don't particularly want you to try it because we don't want to deal with you whining " |
| [20:32:11] | jams: | awesome line from the faq |
| [20:32:17] | sphery: | lol |
| [20:32:31] | iamlindoro_: | among other awesome lines. It's GFY-Linux |
| [20:32:43] | iamlindoro_: | Where G = Go and Y = Yourself |
| [20:33:22] | sphery: | "It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us." |
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| [20:54:57] | sphery: | Hmmm. HDD dies in a non-Myth box. Replacing it involves moving a 750GB SATA from the slave backend to the frontend, moving a 750GB PATA from the master backend to the slave backend, putting the new 1.5TB SATA in the master backend, and moving the 200GB PATA from the frontend to the non-Myth computer... Now, if only UPS would show up already so I can start before primetime... |
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| [20:57:14] | laga: | sounds complicated |
| [20:57:56] | clev: | sounds normal for me |
| [20:57:57] | sphery: | yeah, neither backend has SATA and I have only 1 SATA PCI card and want the big HDD in the master (since it records the most) |
| [20:58:17] | ** sphery wonders if he just got insulted... ;) ** | |
| [20:58:47] | laga: | yeah, sounds like something clever would do |
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| [21:05:29] | DJDarkstar: | Hi, wondering if anyone has tried an AverTV PCIe x1 Combo HDTV Card? Model M780 |
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| [21:11:00] | sphery: | well, since I went ahead and dug around for the page from the point he asked in #mythtv until just now... http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards |
| [21:11:18] | sphery: | too bad he didn't stick around |
| [21:11:21] | hads: | heh |
| [21:11:53] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I was poised with the "MythTV doesn't do tuner drivers, numbskull" answer but I deleted it |
| [21:12:12] | hads: | :) |
| [21:12:34] | sphery: | well, as long as he doesn't just go back to #mythtv and ask again there |
| [21:17:12] | sphery: | Nice... The UPS guy /always/ rings the doorbell, but not today. :( |
| [21:17:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Did he at least leave it? |
| [21:17:33] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:17:46] | sphery: | so, off to shuffle my drives |
| [21:18:00] | iamlindoro_: | That's good-- I've gotten on the phone with them often and demanded they reroute the driver when they decide to just leave the sticky while someone is home |
| [21:18:30] | sphery: | they always leave my packages--even when I don't want them to |
| [21:19:11] | sphery: | I came back from a business trip and found > $2000 of Christmas gifts I had ordered for others on my doorstep (back when I was a more generous person :). |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro_: | This seems an appropriate time to mention what a stunningly handsome man you are |
| [21:19:33] | sphery: | was amazed it was all there (spent 3 days on the doorstep) |
| [21:19:37] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:20:23] | sphery: | while flattery may get you a gift, you have to at least choose a compliment that isn't an obvious lie |
| [21:20:38] | iamlindoro_: | You are a skilled troubleshooter with profound patience |
| [21:20:52] | iamlindoro_: | (this based on regularly actually responding to -users) |
| [21:21:02] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:21:20] | laga: | sphery: my delivery guys always seem to fill out that "go get it tomorrow at the post office" note while rining the bell it seems |
| [21:21:35] | laga: | s/it seems// |
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| [21:21:51] | sphery: | perhaps they fill it out first, ring the bell, and run |
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| [21:22:36] | iamlindoro_: | I think that that is very likely close to the truth |
| [21:22:47] | sphery: | I had never before in my life seen child-proof bubble wrap... |
| [21:22:58] | sphery: | This drive is impossible to unwrap. |
| [21:24:07] | laga: | send it to me |
| [21:24:34] | sphery: | you would think the tape would end somewhere |
| [21:25:16] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like Newegg :) |
| [21:25:25] | sphery: | exactly |
| [21:25:35] | sphery: | I think they spent more on the tape than on the drive |
| [21:25:52] | iamlindoro_: | If you order a shitton of drives, they come better packaged, ie ten at once, they come in a nice styrofoam thing with slots |
| [21:26:03] | laga: | i bought a drive last year. big box, no wrap, they'd just throw the hard disk in its wrapping in the box. :( |
| [21:26:10] | laga: | iamlindoro_: who orderes ten drives at once? |
| [21:26:11] | iamlindoro_: | But I too have seen the wrath of the single drive packager |
| [21:26:14] | sphery: | now I just need to find the master/slave jumper on this SATA drive and I'm in business ;) |
| [21:26:34] | laga: | sphery: you're joking, i assume |
| [21:26:38] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:26:47] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Build a RAID box for work (ten that time) and added 8 1 TB drives to my myth box earlier this year |
| [21:26:56] | iamlindoro_: | er Built |
| [21:27:18] | laga: | 8 TB in a myth box? nice |
| [21:27:45] | iamlindoro_: | laga: added 8...13 TB right now :) |
| [21:27:56] | laga: | just recordings? |
| [21:28:11] | iamlindoro_: | 8 on MythVideo, 3 for recordings, 2 for other stuff |
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| [21:28:39] | sphery: | my 1.5TB replacement for a 750GB and my 750GB replacing my 200GB puts my Myth box at 4.5TB |
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| [21:28:55] | laga: | mine has close to one GB |
| [21:28:57] | sphery: | (boxes, actually) |
| [21:29:07] | fryfrog: | wow, 8 1tb drives |
| [21:29:08] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [21:29:09] | laga: | but it's still 50% empty or so ;) |
| [21:29:14] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: 13 |
| [21:29:24] | sphery: | laga what CODEC is that? :) |
| [21:29:26] | fryfrog: | hang on, 13x 1tb drives??? |
| [21:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: yep |
| [21:29:41] | laga: | sphery: mpeg2 SD :) |
| [21:29:43] | fryfrog: | mother of jesus! :p |
| [21:30:18] | sphery: | Worst part about working on my Myth boxes... Having to shut off 'net radio. :( |
| [21:30:20] | fryfrog: | you using it as one big file system or doing the ol' umm |
| [21:30:22] | laga: | sphery: i delete a lot |
| [21:30:23] | fryfrog: | lvm? |
| [21:30:25] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: When I had a major array failure earlier this year, I decided never to transcode again, and to only put HD material onto the system from that point on |
| [21:30:43] | sphery: | deleting is the way to go, but I'm assuming you really have 1TB, then |
| [21:30:47] | iamlindoro_: | so it's all untranscoded Blu-ray/HD-DVD rips, and untranscoded (but losslessly cut) television programs |
| [21:31:01] | iamlindoro_: | all in their original (HD) resolutions |
| [21:31:02] | fryfrog: | krikey! |
| [21:31:17] | fryfrog: | i see why you have 13x 1tb drives :) |
| [21:31:21] | iamlindoro_: | All that said, I'm only using 35% of my space right now |
| [21:31:21] | fryfrog: | all in one raid5/6? |
| [21:31:36] | fryfrog: | or i think you said it was split into 2 boxex/arrays? |
| [21:31:39] | iamlindoro_: | two RAIDs, plus two standalone drives |
| [21:31:43] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:31:44] | iamlindoro_: | all in one box |
| [21:31:47] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [21:31:55] | fryfrog: | using soft or hard raid? |
| [21:31:59] | laga: | sphery: i've got 793GB. 293GB are used for recordings. according to mythweb. |
| [21:32:09] | iamlindoro_: | software raid, hardware raid is (mostly) a sham |
| [21:32:14] | laga: | sphery: music and videos are on a different box |
| [21:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | (that ought to get the haters to respond) |
| [21:32:45] | sphery: | laga: yeah, that's plenty of space for SDTV. I think I had 500GB with my SDTV setup. |
| [21:33:00] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: i'm a software raid man myself :) |
| [21:33:14] | sphery: | But, since going HDTV, I've begun to long for more and more space (even though I've only filled about 50% of what I have) |
| [21:33:17] | laga: | sphery: i kinda have HD, but there's not a lot worth watching. |
| [21:33:20] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: i'd not pass up a good $300+ raid card for free, but i'd rather have 3 more hard drives and use up some cpu. |
| [21:33:51] | laga: | sphery: and my HD subscription (7€ for three months ;)) is about to expire and i couldn't care less |
| [21:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: the amount of cpu used, even when writing balls-out to both RAIDs, is miniscule (most I've seen is 6 Percent of one core on my Q9650) |
| [21:34:09] | fryfrog: | yeah, very trivial here too |
| [21:34:17] | fryfrog: | during rebuild it is of course pretty high |
| [21:34:34] | fryfrog: | and a raid card with a good amount of battery backed ram would improve write speeds |
| [21:34:42] | fryfrog: | but that said, mine writes plenty fast for me now |
| [21:34:53] | fryfrog: | it isn't a recording bottleneck for sure |
| [21:35:00] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Exactly, needed write speed for MULTIPLE HD recordings is a few megs a second |
| [21:35:16] | iamlindoro_: | software raid can manage many many MANY times that |
| [21:35:22] | fryfrog: | and it isn't like we are running mission critical stuff :) |
| [21:35:42] | ** sphery regrets his, "I'm not using SATA on the frontend, now, so I'll just disable it in the BIOS," decision... Have to turn on the TV to change it. ** | |
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| [21:36:05] | laga: | oh noes! |
| [21:36:06] | laga: | ;) |
| [21:36:44] | sphery: | DLP with limited bulb life--hate cycling the bulb for "no good reason" |
| [21:36:52] | laga: | ah. |
| [21:37:30] | iamlindoro_: | I am probably approaching time to replace my projector bulb |
| [21:37:38] | iamlindoro_: | 18 months in, not a bad run |
| [21:38:01] | laga: | projectors are getting cheaper. saw a 1024x768 one for 350€ today |
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| [21:38:26] | iamlindoro_: | I went through pricejapan to import mine, got it for Half price, 1080p |
| [21:38:43] | fryfrog: | do you have a special screen? |
| [21:38:57] | laga: | a friend of mine won hers. i'm jealous. |
| [21:39:00] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, a 106" Greywolf II transflective |
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| [21:39:43] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: i assume it makes a big diff compared to just projecting on a while wall say? |
| [21:39:56] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Yes, to my eyes anyway |
| [21:40:01] | laga: | iamlindoro_: --verbose? |
| [21:40:03] | fryfrog: | thats all that matters :) |
| [21:40:12] | fryfrog: | do you use a normal tv most of the time to save on bulbs? |
| [21:40:13] | iamlindoro_: | laga: which part? |
| [21:40:20] | laga: | iamlindoro_: the difference part |
| [21:40:21] | fryfrog: | or do you just use the projector willy nilly, when ever you want? |
| [21:40:44] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: View time on my bulbs is 5000 hours (or 3000 at max brightness) so it's not often that I need to change) |
| [21:40:55] | fryfrog: | ah, spiffy |
| [21:41:07] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... I was trying to get mythgame going on my new box – but I've hit a funny wall that I'm not sure how to even start troubleshooting |
| [21:41:18] | fryfrog: | when it is done, does it just burn out? or does it go dimmer, dimmer, dimmer? |
| [21:41:26] | iamlindoro_: | laga: ah, the screen is embedded with millions of little microscopic glass beads, colors "pop" and the blacks are deeper IMO |
| [21:41:31] | RyeBrye: | The second I connect a USB gamepad – X crashes and restarts itself. With one of my gamepads, X will let me log in and such – but the second I press a button it will crash and gdm will come up again... (I have tried with 2 different USB gamepads so far) |
| [21:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: It actually insists on being changed after 5000 hours, to avoid bursting inside the case |
| [21:42:22] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [21:43:16] | iamlindoro_: | cleaning shattered glass and phosphor off the inside of an expensive projector is a bad scene |
| [21:43:33] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.buy.com/prod/panoview-gray-wolf-ii . . . 2474126.html |
| [21:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | ugly link, nice screen (the one I use) |
| [21:45:17] | laga: | quite affordable |
| [21:47:26] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I really like it, looks sharp in the living room |
| [21:48:50] | iamlindoro_: | laga: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 048393_4sjM9 |
| [21:49:32] | iamlindoro_: | Don't mind the rats nest closet picture, that's since been cleaned up :) |
| [21:50:41] | laga: | iamlindoro_: don't those two lights affect the projection? |
| [21:51:03] | iamlindoro_: | laga: They're purely for decoration when not watching, just thought they made it a more fun picture |
| [21:51:11] | laga: | ah |
| [21:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | They are off usually |
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| [21:51:35] | laga: | that's a very nice living room |
| [21:51:38] | jmichelsen: | sphery: you still kicking around here somewhere? |
| [21:51:58] | laga: | i'm moving out soon so i'm always looking for more inspiration |
| [21:51:59] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Thanks, I like to do home improvement so I've worked hard at it since buying the place |
| [21:52:10] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: im home from work now and thought id bother you with my lirc question from before ;) |
| [21:52:12] | iamlindoro_: | Want to remodel the bathroom this holiday season |
| [21:52:32] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: I'm probably not the right person to ask about that one, no experience with the ATI remotes |
| [21:52:56] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: hmm well i think its more linux general related, modules i mean |
| [21:53:03] | iamlindoro_: | plus I'm leaving in 8 minutes :) |
| [21:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | but you should ask regardless |
| [21:53:17] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: if i modprobe the remote driver, dont let anything autoload, it works |
| [21:53:20] | iamlindoro_: | surely someone will have ideas, whether or not it's me |
| [21:53:24] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: if i set it to autoload it doesnt |
| [21:53:30] | jmichelsen: | lol |
| [21:54:24] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: maybe my lirc isnt starting properly at system boot |
| [21:54:54] | iamlindoro_: | jmichelsen: You might see if there is a debug option for your module and set that wherever your distro keeps said options |
| [21:55:01] | iamlindoro_: | then you might get better dmesg output for it |
| [21:55:21] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: awesome il check that |
| [21:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | modinfo modulename may help |
| [21:55:44] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: i am so close to a working fully functional mythtv setup its great |
| [21:55:44] | jmichelsen: | lol |
| [21:55:45] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro_: great cool il check those things |
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| [22:18:52] | daddysmurf: | how would I or how would I find out how to add video files into myth? |
| [22:20:02] | fryfrog: | mythvideo |
| [22:20:08] | daddysmurf: | ty |
| [22:24:16] | dustybin: | wow was that iamlindoro setup with that _MASSIVE_ screen in the living room |
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| [22:25:42] | high-rez: | Any of you use openchrome w/mythtv ? I know I have read that via hacked in some supoprt for mpeg4 into xvmc and that myth sort of supports it? Is there any info on this? |
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| [22:26:38] | Led-Hed: | is it possible to have a PVR-250 grap output from a STB and have the STB change channels via Firewire? |
| [22:26:45] | Led-Hed: | s/grab |
| [22:31:19] | RyeBrye: | jmichelsen – still here? |
| [22:31:42] | RyeBrye: | jmichelsen – what lirc device are you using? to remove / re-add it when you are running you could do something like sudo modprobe -r lirc_serial |
| [22:31:59] | RyeBrye: | then sudo modprobe lirc_serial debug=1 to load it wiht debugging turned on – then the dmesg might be more verbose |
| [22:32:19] | RyeBrye: | if the thing ocmplains when you do that, you might have to kill lirc first – so sudo pkill lirc would kill any lircd processes that were running |
| [22:32:36] | ** RyeBrye just went through a period of LOTS of lirc module loading / unloading to fix an issue with the imon driver ** | |
| [22:34:16] | RyeBrye: | ... Intel's EIST doesn't seem to be too intelligent to me :( I had it turned off but figured I'd turn it on to see how well it worked for me – but my proc multiplier goes up to 8.5 but it doesn't seem to want to go over 7 when EIST / C1E turned on – which means it's sitting at it's sitting at 2.833 Ghz when it should be up to 3.6 Ghz as I compile my kernel and run a transcode job... :( |
| [22:34:33] | RyeBrye: | I guess I'll go disable it again in my bios |
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| [22:39:11] | fryfrog: | Led-Hed: yeah, works fine |
| [22:39:40] | Led-Hed: | fryfrog, thanks |
| [22:40:18] | Led-Hed: | thinking of connecting my PVR-250 to the STB so the I can get the Digital Channels (Non HD) |
| [22:40:52] | fryfrog: | you don't get them via firewire? |
| [22:42:56] | Led-Hed: | fryfrog, I get very few of the Digital SD channels via firewire. |
| [22:46:48] | Led-Hed: | anyone have any tips on getting multiple SA3250's changing channels? |
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| [22:50:44] | jmichelsen: | RyeBrye: lirc_atiusb, and yea i modprobe it but if the remotes not working and the box is under a tv i have no way to input commands ;) |
| [22:51:07] | jmichelsen: | RyeBrye: I kept reading , i see what you did there ,that will help thanks |
| [22:52:05] | jmichelsen: | when I try to enter an IMDB # into mythvideo manually, it wont take any input, nothing shows up when typing #s on keyboard or remote, any ideas? |
| [22:53:17] | jduggan: | jmichelsen: update your theme |
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| [22:53:31] | jduggan: | there is a fix |
| [22:53:35] | jduggan: | but i forgot the line to change =] |
| [22:53:40] | jduggan: | search the lists, i guess |
| [22:54:26] | jmichelsen: | k thanks |
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| [22:56:28] | jmichelsen: | apparently it has to do with the theme i use, thanks |
| [23:02:02] | jduggan: | yup |
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| [23:12:28] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_curvedlist4.png |
| [23:12:51] | kormoc: | gbee, asking for trouble arn'tcha? |
| [23:13:39] | gbee: | ohh yus |
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| [23:14:43] | justinh: | heh there'll be no trouble from me for that I tell ya |
| [23:14:47] | jduggan: | thats sex |
| [23:21:50] | justinh: | well, since my wife is away tonight that'll have to do :P |
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| [23:30:44] | gbee: | lol |
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| [23:33:33] | justinh: | ROFLMAO & the dog |
| [23:33:36] | justinh: | @ the dog |
| [23:34:12] | justinh: | he's just woke up from a sleep, come into the kitchen & barked at his own reflection |
| [23:35:28] | andreax: | lol |
| [23:35:41] | andreax: | dogs... :) |
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| [23:38:08] | andreax: | You ever saw a parrot try to touch down in a filled bathtub...? Similar funny. |
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| [23:38:57] | dustybin: | ive found the 2 perfect resources for mythtv: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ & http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ..who needs IRC! |
| [23:39:11] | justinh: | sod off then |
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| [23:39:47] | justinh: | heh |
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| [23:41:56] | dustybin: | could this be the begining of linux GPU decoding: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc4Ng |
| [23:42:37] | justinh: | yesterday's 'news' |
| [23:43:03] | justinh: | and for ATI. whoathunkit |
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| [23:44:27] | gbee: | dusty's only just discovered the docs and wiki? Aren't they referenced in the channel topic? |
| [23:45:04] | justinh: | I think Ted Rogers' best mate is being ironic |
| [23:46:40] | dustybin: | im using mplayer instead of mythtv internal player for DVDs and MythVideo, with the correct settings, it works ace |
| [23:47:33] | dustybin: | ill try the internal player again when .22 is released |
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| [23:53:49] | iamlindoro: | dustybin wins the "late to the party award" for the night |
| [23:53:57] | iamlindoro: | and yes, dustybin, that's my downstairs Myth setup |
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| [23:55:21] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: bloody heck that screen is massive |
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| [23:56:36] | dustybin: | my next mission is to learn how to code in html/css and create my own little website what shows off my boxes |
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| [23:57:19] | dustybin: | and ill use that space to host my future mythtv theme :) |
| [23:57:54] | iamlindoro: | god help us |
| [23:58:05] | iamlindoro: | HewlettPackard-wide |
| [23:58:16] | iamlindoro: | an argument for keeping MythUI obfuscated if ever I heard it |
| [23:58:57] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: it will be wide only, but ill wait until .22 is released because of the new interface |
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