| Wednesday, October 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:06] | scant: | KjetilK: are you here? |
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| [00:20:57] | darkdrgn2k: | Hi, i got a "TopSeed Technology Corp." mceusb2 receiver, but its not recognized any ir signals? any one shed some light on this |
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| [00:22:40] | iamlindoro: | http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p= . . . aaad506d5754 |
| [00:23:07] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you'll need to compile lirc yourself |
| [00:23:19] | darkdrgn2k: | umm i did.. |
| [00:23:23] | darkdrgn2k: | guess its gatta be even nwers? |
| [00:23:37] | iamlindoro: | depends on which version you compiled-- their current CVs ought to be new enough |
| [00:23:37] | darkdrgn2k: | maybe not. |
| [00:23:45] | darkdrgn2k: | i did cvs.. |
| [00:23:49] | darkdrgn2k: | but i guess i didn tdo this one.. |
| [00:28:56] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, lsusb shows it as? |
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| [00:30:18] | darkdrgn2k: | yep |
| [00:30:54] | darkdrgn2k: | even have a /dev/lirc0 when installing module lol |
| [00:31:30] | kormoc: | and did you debug with mode2 and all that jazz? |
| [00:32:17] | darkdrgn2k: | probably not |
| [00:32:23] | darkdrgn2k: | becuase mode2 didnt return anything |
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| [00:39:26] | darkdrgn2k: | ok umm |
| [00:39:33] | darkdrgn2k: | lirc bleading edge |
| [00:39:33] | darkdrgn2k: | http://www.lirc.org/cvs.html |
| [00:39:34] | darkdrgn2k: | right? |
| [00:40:04] | iamlindoro: | most likely... although we're not #lirc |
| [00:40:21] | iamlindoro: | Looks like it's supported-- if oyu have a /dev/lirc0, then sounds like the module is fine |
| [00:40:28] | iamlindoro: | are you sure oyu know how to use mode2? |
| [00:40:34] | kormoc: | I'm running the latest stable version with my mceusb, but it's a older one |
| [00:41:09] | iamlindoro: | ie mode2 --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [00:41:12] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: since i get no output i have to say NO no idea how to use mode2 lol |
| [00:41:12] | iamlindoro: | and then press buttons? |
| [00:41:43] | iamlindoro: | on your remote, pointed at the receiver, that is |
| [00:41:53] | darkdrgn2k: | ooo i was pointing it the other way :-p |
| [00:41:54] | darkdrgn2k: | j/k |
| [00:41:55] | darkdrgn2k: | [root@MythFE1 lirc]# mode2 --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [00:42:07] | darkdrgn2k: | nothing |
| [00:42:40] | iamlindoro: | what does dmesg say when you modprobe? |
| [00:42:55] | darkdrgn2k: | lol |
| [00:42:56] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/m7ea990c0 |
| [00:42:58] | darkdrgn2k: | ahead of you :) |
| [00:43:17] | iamlindoro: | looks fine |
| [00:43:24] | darkdrgn2k: | tht it does... |
| [00:44:08] | iamlindoro: | remote batteries fresh? Try other remotes with mode2? |
| [00:44:15] | iamlindoro: | you are using the included remote, right? |
| [00:44:28] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: using remote with a differen usbmce |
| [00:44:35] | Jonathon: | Why does my tv scan pickup my external STB, but a MythTV scan does not? I can't even get a picture when I set it to the specific channel? |
| [00:44:37] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [00:44:58] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k, one more time, in english this time |
| [00:45:25] | darkdrgn2k: | im using the remote (handheld) with on a differnt frontend with a differnt MCEUSB2 receiver.. works fine |
| [00:45:39] | darkdrgn2k: | BTW: remote came with the receiver that DOESNT work |
| [00:46:04] | iamlindoro: | There you go again with impossible to understand sentences |
| [00:46:09] | iamlindoro: | "BTW: remote came with the receiver that DOESNT work" |
| [00:46:11] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [00:46:19] | iamlindoro: | ah, I think I see |
| [00:46:23] | darkdrgn2k: | the remote that i am using... came wiht the IR receiver that does NTO work |
| [00:46:28] | iamlindoro: | ok. |
| [00:46:31] | darkdrgn2k: | however the remote works with a DIFFERNt receiver that is also a usbmce2 |
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| [00:46:45] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, the dmesg output looks correct, so if you're not getting anything from mode2, I would advise going to the lirc list |
| [00:46:57] | iamlindoro: | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lirc-list |
| [00:47:00] | iamlindoro: | or their channel |
| [00:47:21] | iamlindoro: | Could just be that it's a newer model of a receiver they already support, and it may need patching |
| [00:47:31] | darkdrgn2k: | any idea where teh keep the bleeding edge... |
| [00:47:48] | iamlindoro: | Give them everything you've tried so far, including dmesg and lsusb -v output |
| [00:47:55] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k, CVS is the bleeding edge |
| [00:48:05] | darkdrgn2k: | huh |
| [00:48:09] | darkdrgn2k: | having problems compiling |
| [00:48:49] | iamlindoro: | Seek help from their channel or list with that. |
| [00:49:23] | darkdrgn2k: | thanx |
| [00:49:30] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:50:44] | mzb_d800: | I've been having trouble scanning/tuning since moving. |
| [00:51:03] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, move back! |
| [00:51:10] | mzb_d800: | heh ;) |
| [00:52:25] | mzb_d800: | Previously, I was using the main VHF transmitter (DVB-T) ... but now due to ghosting+reflections from the brow of the hill between that transmitter and my current location, I've had to start using the high-band UHF translator across the river. |
| [00:52:40] | mzb_d800: | After heaps of stuffing around I've managed to get a reasonable signal. |
| [00:52:42] | mzb_d800: | HOWEVER |
| [00:53:46] | mzb_d800: | By setting to "Hobart", mythtv insists on including the VHF-band multiplexes ... so, even though I've manually set channels.conf with the UHF channels, mythtv has the channels set to the VHF multiplexes. |
| [00:55:17] | mzb_d800: | I can manually edit the database and correct the frequencies to get reception (tada!), but as I see it the best way would be to either have the UHF high-band frequencies included on the "Hobart" setting _OR_ a new "Hobart – NE Suburbs" setting. |
| [00:55:29] | mzb_d800: | any suggestions? (apart from moving back;)) |
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| [00:56:55] | mzb_d800: | further, are the location-based settings directly from v4l-dvb, or are they actually in mythtv source? |
| [00:56:59] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, change the freq table in mythtv-setup |
| [00:57:18] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [00:57:22] | mzb_d800: | dtv-multiplex? |
| [00:57:30] | mzb_d800: | dtv_multiplex? |
| [00:59:02] | mzb_d800: | keep in mind, however, that I have a dual-input masthead amplifier. atm I'm only using the UHF aerial, but I *may* end up putting the VHF aerial back up after I repair it. This would mean that *both* VHF and high-band UHF frequencies would then be valid. |
| [01:02:23] | mzb_d800: | (the translator is quite low power, and it may turn out that *some* multiplexes get better results from the main transmitter) |
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| [01:20:58] | wagnerrp: | 10mbit for 720p House... does that seem low? |
| [01:21:37] | iamlindoro: | low for ATSC, for QAM that's fairly common (for me) |
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| [01:23:09] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: seems low to me. If we're talking about the same thing you'd need *all* of that for a single FE, without FF/REW (and other overheads). |
| [01:23:54] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, I think he's talking about the bitrate |
| [01:24:01] | iamlindoro: | and that the recording is 10Mbit |
| [01:24:29] | wagnerrp: | just a napkin calculation, 4.6GB for 1hr |
| [01:24:31] | wagnerrp: | seems a bit |
| [01:24:32] | wagnerrp: | log |
| [01:24:32] | mzb_d800: | ah I see ... I thought he was referring to bandwidth |
| [01:24:33] | wagnerrp: | low |
| [01:24:38] | mzb_d800: | I'm doing DVB-T mpeg2 over 100Mb (each port is on a gigabit switch, though) |
| [01:24:58] | wagnerrp: | only the source needs to be on gigabit |
| [01:25:19] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im just wondering if thats actually what fox is broadcasting at, or if my cableco is recompressing |
| [01:25:33] | mzb_d800: | yes ... "mythtuner" (MBE) is gigabit, FE's are 100Mbit |
| [01:25:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I would bet they distribute it at closer to 18–19 Mbit |
| [01:26:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, which episode? |
| [01:26:03] | iamlindoro: | the latest? |
| [01:26:07] | wagnerrp: | tonights |
| [01:27:13] | iamlindoro: | ah... doesn't air here for a bit so I can't compare |
| [01:27:25] | iamlindoro: | I could set it up to record and let oyu know if you like, though |
| [01:27:40] | wagnerrp: | na, dont worry about it |
| [01:28:12] | iamlindoro: | for comparison, they seem to have moved the networks into their own channels here lately, so I've been seeing about 17 Mbit for Terminator (I don't watch house, but at least it's the same network) |
| [01:28:58] | iamlindoro: | got 16370 Kbps for last week's Fringe, too, so stable between 16–17 Mbit |
| [01:29:09] | iamlindoro: | (roughly) |
| [01:29:44] | wagnerrp: | 30 minutes in, its 2.35GB, so roughly the same bitrate |
| [01:30:18] | wagnerrp: | so... time for an antenna? |
| [01:30:57] | iamlindoro: | I wish I had anything resembling a decent view of the towers... I can't get any ATSC at all here :( |
| [01:31:15] | iamlindoro: | There's a hill in my way (which I happen to live on) so there's no avoiding it |
| [01:32:07] | wagnerrp: | i live somewhat in a hole |
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| [01:32:39] | iamlindoro: | I live in the 10th largest city in the country and our towers are 65 miles away in the next metro area, ugh |
| [01:32:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont have LOS, but the hill in the way is all of maybe 50ft |
| [01:32:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah... and theyre 5 miles away |
| [01:34:23] | iamlindoro: | It's ridiculous that my towers are as far as they are, very frustrating |
| [01:35:11] | iamlindoro: | I amend my previous info, though, according to antennaweb it's 42 miles (which is still way too damn far when you've got a hill in the way) |
| [01:35:14] | mzb_d800: | heh ... and I thought >10km was getting bad ;) |
| [01:36:09] | wagnerrp: | our towers are all right in the center of the city |
| [01:36:12] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Yeah, my folks live a few miles away and we managed to get a few channels for them with a highly directional antenna and major amplification... but only 4–5 channels |
| [01:36:49] | iamlindoro: | Where there should be 20–25 |
| [01:36:59] | mzb_d800: | I've ended up going for a 14-element UHF + 35dB dual-input masthead ... not happy with the results yet |
| [01:37:17] | mzb_d800: | but then I've only got 5 transports to worry about |
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| [01:37:51] | wagnerrp: | i get nearly acceptable signal with a pair of bunny ears duct taped to the back of the tv |
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| [01:38:10] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [01:38:54] | wagnerrp: | nearly meaning i still lose ABC frequently, and the other channels occasionally |
| [01:39:13] | wagnerrp: | oh poor me... :) |
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| [01:41:27] | mzb_d800: | translator I'm currently using is about 6km away (afaict) ... but iirc, it's only about 100W |
| [01:42:07] | wagnerrp: | 100W? thats pathetic. you can get wireless (802.11g) hardware up to 1W. |
| [01:42:10] | iamlindoro: | What I wouldn't give for a local repeater |
| [01:42:51] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... nope not 100W ... stats say 6.4kW or 1.6kW depending on channel ... might have to look into that more |
| [01:43:40] | mzb_d800: | main transmitter seems to be 50kW-200kW (to put that into perspective) |
| [01:44:09] | mzb_d800: | not sure where I got the 100W from ... Dad might have been talking about HAM freqs. |
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| [01:45:21] | wagnerrp: | 200kW seems a bit excessive on the other side of the spectrum |
| [01:45:52] | wagnerrp: | my grandpa used to pick up a local 500kW station... while stationed in Okinawa |
| [01:45:58] | mzb_d800: | to make things more difficult, translator has different power settings depening on direction (400W to 1.6kW) ... docs are hard to follow |
| [01:46:44] | mzb_d800: | I *think* the main transmitter is designed for pretty wide coverage over hilly terrain. |
| [01:46:54] | mzb_d800: | (historically) |
| [01:47:48] | Dagmar: | It can beam signals around corners? |
| [01:48:02] | mzb_d800: | there are translators all over the place |
| [01:48:18] | Dagmar: | ...because NOTHING but freq skip of AM can compensate for *hills* being in the way |
| [01:48:26] | mzb_d800: | historically==VHF only |
| [01:48:38] | mzb_d800: | which then went to low band UHF |
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| [01:49:02] | mzb_d800: | and now there are duplicated digital services on all three bands |
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| [01:50:02] | MythbuntuGuest77: | I'm trying to setup a frontend with an existing backend. I have /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow setup on the backend. When I try to mount the videos on the frontend I'm getting mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting |
| [01:52:20] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: to give you a rough idea, here's the coverage map for the main transmitter: http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequencyfi . . . ssionid=2110 |
| [01:52:44] | mzb_d800: | and for the translator I'm currently using: http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequencyfi . . . ssionid=2125 |
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| [01:53:17] | mzb_d800: | make that: http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequencyfi . . . ssionid=3586 |
| [01:53:24] | mzb_d800: | (2125 is analogue) |
| [01:54:05] | mzb_d800: | compared to VHF coverage: http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequencyfi . . . ssionid=2121 |
| [01:54:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so in 4 months, analog gets shut off, and you still dont have digital broadcast? |
| [01:55:05] | mzb_d800: | *historically* there were only two transmitters in the state (iirc), Hobart and Launceston. The people on the NW coast used large antenna arrays to receive TV across Bass Strait from Melbourne!! |
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| [01:56:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Yep. Well, I get QAM of course, just no access to ATSC where I am |
| [01:57:23] | PinkFreud: | MythbuntuGuest77: that's not a myth question, but I would highly recommend checking the logs on the backend to determine why it's denying the frontend access via nfs |
| [01:58:07] | MythbuntuGuest77: | I know it's not direclty myth related, but I need to mount the videos from the be to the fe to get it to work |
| [01:58:10] | wagnerrp: | the backend logs would say nothing besides saying the files did not exist |
| [01:58:31] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your exports file |
| [01:58:32] | PinkFreud: | MythbuntuGuest77: doesn't matter. it's an nfs question, which isn't mythtv. :) |
| [01:58:54] | PinkFreud: | wagnerrp: no, I'm referring to his system logs on the backend. |
| [01:59:08] | wagnerrp: | you mean /var/log/messages... |
| [01:59:10] | PinkFreud: | typically /var/log/messages |
| [01:59:13] | PinkFreud: | yes |
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| [01:59:37] | PinkFreud: | but as I don't know what OS he's running on the backend... :) |
| [02:01:02] | MythbuntuGuest77: | http://pastebin.com/d320a0ee1 |
| [02:01:26] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [02:01:37] | wagnerrp: | your network is wrong |
| [02:01:52] | wagnerrp: | your network is not (or better not be) 127.0.0.0/24 |
| [02:01:55] | MythbuntuGuest77: | doh. Thanks. Been lookingat it too long |
| [02:01:59] | PinkFreud: | indeed. 127.0.0.x is local to the machine in question. |
| [02:02:20] | wagnerrp: | the entire 127/8 is supposed to be for loopback only |
| [02:02:35] | PinkFreud: | however, syslog would have told you much the same |
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| [02:10:27] | wagnerrp: | DAMNIT |
| [02:10:32] | wagnerrp: | house ran long |
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| [02:11:31] | MythbuntuGuest77: | thank you very much |
| [02:11:45] | wagnerrp: | the opening sequence started at 43 seconds in... 59 minutes, 46 seconds later, its still playing as the recording ends |
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| [02:13:38] | darkdrgn2k: | strange.. |
| [02:13:39] | darkdrgn2k: | "http://ultimatemythtv.blogspot.com/2008/10/in . . . c.html" |
| [02:13:41] | darkdrgn2k: | smae modle i have |
| [02:13:44] | wagnerrp: | FANTASTIC |
| [02:13:45] | darkdrgn2k: | but my model just doesnt workl.. |
| [02:14:00] | wagnerrp: | it got picked up in the beginning of fringe, of course that means ill probably lose the end of fringe |
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| [02:30:11] | radi0head: | In Mythfrontend->Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, there used to be an option to select deinterlace/interlace and some different algorithms, etc... If I take a look at this article on the mythtv wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing it says "The information on this page may no longer be relevant to the current version of MythTV. " Do you guys know where these options went? |
| [02:30:31] | wagnerrp: | its under the playback groups now |
| [02:30:44] | radi0head: | wagnerrp, Thanks, let me take a look... |
| [02:31:13] | iamlindoro: | Same settings screen ,third page in, edit the profiles |
| [02:31:19] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, its not directly in the menu, you have to go into some advanced settings |
| [02:33:04] | radi0head: | iamlindoro, I see, thanks! |
| [02:33:29] | radi0head: | wagnerrp, I didn't find anything in the playback groups option concerning this. |
| [02:34:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, wrong term |
| [02:34:28] | wagnerrp: | playback profiles |
| [02:34:37] | wagnerrp: | third field in 'playback' |
| [02:35:03] | HaSH: | if i want to record a show once a week whats the best way to schedule it? |
| [02:35:12] | HaSH: | im kind of confused what they all mean |
| [02:35:57] | wagnerrp: | record one show per week in this timeslot? |
| [02:36:13] | wagnerrp: | i usually just record all occurrences of a show |
| [02:36:26] | wagnerrp: | radi0head: i cant seem to find it in there |
| [02:36:44] | radi0head: | iamlindoro, Found it. |
| [02:36:47] | radi0head: | err |
| [02:36:53] | radi0head: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro found it. |
| [02:36:56] | wagnerrp: | oh, its under 'next' |
| [02:37:00] | radi0head: | hehe |
| [02:37:05] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [02:37:17] | HaSH: | wagnerrp, hmm recording all occurrences would record everysingle episode of the show i select? |
| [02:37:34] | wagnerrp: | correct, you can filter it to only record new shows |
| [02:37:37] | HaSH: | even the same episodes(ie dupe recordings) |
| [02:37:41] | wagnerrp: | rather than all shows |
| [02:37:55] | wagnerrp: | by default, mythtv will never record a show a second time |
| [02:38:16] | HaSH: | orly. i didnt know that |
| [02:38:16] | wagnerrp: | so long as the EPG data properly matches it with a previous recording |
| [02:38:50] | HaSH: | wagnerrp, how do you filter it to only record new ones? |
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| [02:41:01] | wagnerrp: | scheduling options, field 6 |
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| [02:42:41] | HaSH: | ah ok thanks. im gonna have to try this out =) |
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| [02:56:51] | radi0head: | Anyone here ever tried to watch a hockey game using MythTV and a Hauppauge PVR-150/PVR-350 and getting choppy frames. It's only noticable during very fast action. I've googled and found a thread on a forum of someone with the same problem but no alas, no solution. Here is the link: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t_4835 |
| [02:58:07] | thefiestysoldier: | n00b question(i think): so what about my digital channels from my existing cable setup? |
| [02:58:25] | radi0head: | I was trying to see if the 2x bob or other algorithms would fix this issue but I don't think that these options exists on the latest version. |
| [03:00:19] | solyton: | hi |
| [03:00:29] | radi0head: | It's still very watchable, but could be smoother. |
| [03:00:56] | solyton: | what type of card are the ones compatible with US mandatory digital transition? |
| [03:01:20] | thefiestysoldier: | i think ny of them |
| [03:01:38] | thefiestysoldier: | as afr as i kno digital only means no antennas |
| [03:01:52] | thefiestysoldier: | but i could be wrong |
| [03:01:55] | solyton: | whe I look for Mythtv compatibles card like in Amazon has a big fat warning about being analog only |
| [03:02:15] | thefiestysoldier: | hmm.... |
| [03:02:23] | solyton: | ah, antennae! |
| [03:02:50] | wagnerrp: | digital means digital |
| [03:02:52] | solyton: | here http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-350 . . . p/B00008OOWC |
| [03:03:18] | wagnerrp: | it still broadcast, just like all previous TV, its just a digital broadcast, with 8PSK modulation |
| [03:03:24] | wagnerrp: | rather than the previous analog methods |
| [03:03:33] | wagnerrp: | you still plug it into your antenna |
| [03:03:37] | solyton: | "CONSUMER ALERT: This television receiver has only an analog broadcast tuner and will require a converter box after February 17, 2009, to receive over-the-air broadcasts with an antenna because of the U.S.'s transition to digital broadcasting. Analog-only TVs should continue to work as before with cable and satellite TV services, gaming consoles, VCRs, DVD players, and similar products. For more information, call the Federal Commu |
| [03:03:55] | wagnerrp: | and its still the same frequency, so its still the same exact antenna |
| [03:04:08] | solyton: | ok |
| [03:04:12] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing special about a 'digital antenna'. all sales lingo |
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| [03:07:02] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you need an atsc card (for broadcast) or a qam card (for digital cable) |
| [03:07:28] | wagnerrp: | note that you will likely not receive more than the local broadcast channels if you go the digital cable route anyway |
| [03:07:43] | wagnerrp: | and usually, atsc cards also support qam |
| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | check around the linuxtv.org site for atsc cards |
| [03:12:21] | solyton: | ok thanks |
| [03:12:39] | Dagmar: | s/lingo/bullshit/; |
| [03:12:57] | wagnerrp: | well said |
| [03:14:11] | justdave: | so I tried to add a slave backend to help with job queue processing on my system today... |
| [03:14:17] | justdave: | commflag jobs seem to work fine |
| [03:14:21] | scant: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info, i always hear about like ATSC antenneas |
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| [03:14:29] | justdave: | transcode jobs are all failing with "couldn't stat "myth://192.168.1.235:6543/1063_20081009133000.nuv": No such file or directory" or similar |
| [03:14:55] | wagnerrp: | the only difference is that when the digital transition finally happens, theyre dropping one of the frequency bands |
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| [03:15:01] | justdave: | am I missing something in the slave config? |
| [03:15:20] | wagnerrp: | so, so called 'digital antenna' should actually be simpler and cheaper |
| [03:15:27] | scant: | who here, that's in the states, has requested 1 or 2 coupons for a dtv convertor box, has received their coupons, used their coupons, and recieved their converter box(s) |
| [03:15:28] | scant: | > |
| [03:15:29] | scant: | ? |
| [03:15:40] | wagnerrp: | me |
| [03:15:53] | wagnerrp: | requested, received, bought |
| [03:15:59] | wagnerrp: | have not yet actually used them |
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| [03:18:11] | scant: | wagnerrp: cool, i want to request 2 of them, but that stupid expiration date, ugh |
| [03:18:22] | wagnerrp: | expiration date? |
| [03:18:35] | scant: | yeah, you have to use them like within 90 days of them being issued |
| [03:18:38] | wagnerrp: | meaning you have to use them within 3 months of when you receive the cards? |
| [03:19:02] | wagnerrp: | oh damn! thats so difficult to get to the store in that brief period of time |
| [03:19:23] | scant: | i'm not saying that, i don't understand what function the expiration date serves |
| [03:19:25] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, i did finally make it to radio shack with 2 days left before my expiration |
| [03:19:37] | Dagmar: | scant: It keeps the coupons off eBay mainly |
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| [03:20:01] | scant: | Dagmar: i don't really see how it does that, do you have any articles to back up that assertion? |
| [03:20:08] | Dagmar: | No, nor do I give a damn |
| [03:20:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops... I was logged into my backend with SSH and meant to reboot the frontend I was on... but re-booted my backend... oops... |
| [03:20:33] | Dagmar: | ALL coupons need expiration dates. |
| [03:21:03] | Dagmar: | It has nothing to do with converter boxes, and everything to do with cheap-asses hoarding things. |
| [03:21:05] | scant: | yeah, the expiration date should be the same regardless of when issued, around 3 months to a year after the switchover date |
| [03:21:25] | Dagmar: | Not unless they intend to stop the program then. |
| [03:22:07] | wagnerrp: | the 3 month expiration might make sense if they would reuse expired, unused coupons |
| [03:22:11] | wagnerrp: | but they dont |
| [03:22:16] | Dagmar: | A three month expiration means that if they need to change something, they can do it in three months, instead of worrying about older coupons hanging around. |
| [03:22:35] | Dagmar: | You can always call up and get more free coupons if your old ones expired. |
| [03:22:52] | wagnerrp: | really, i was under the impression that was not the case |
| [03:22:57] | scant: | Dagmar: now, that's something new i've not read in the DTV faq, I'm gonna have to investigate that assertion |
| [03:23:01] | wagnerrp: | i had not really looked into it though |
| [03:23:35] | Dagmar: | It's checked about as rigorously as the publications coming out of Pueblo Colorado at the moment. |
| [03:24:01] | scant: | and the whole eBay thing, you can't have auctions that last 3 months, so I can still auction a coupon right when I get it, the buyer still will have more than 1.5 months to purchase a box, the expiration date to me, doesn't seem to prevent eBay |
| [03:24:03] | Dagmar: | i.e., if no one asks for just *hundreds* of them, it's not likely to attract anyone's attention and be a sign of a problem |
| [03:24:24] | Dagmar: | scant: And yet, selling something that is *free* is somethign a lot of ebayers like to do. |
| [03:24:45] | Dagmar: | ...so if no one has a buyer for their little scam in 3 months' time, the coupon is dead. |
| [03:25:03] | Dagmar: | ...and there's dozens of other little annoying reasons why coupons have to have expiration dates. |
| [03:25:08] | scant: | I wonder if there are coupons on eBay right now? I figure there would be a regulation against it, and coupon auctions prohibited |
| [03:25:47] | scant: | Dagmar: I thought I revised my statement, an expiration date is ok, but 3 months unreasonable |
| [03:26:03] | wagnerrp: | 3 months is very reasonable |
| [03:26:11] | Dagmar: | I'd like to see something to back up that claim of unreasonability. |
| [03:26:28] | wagnerrp: | if you need it so little that you dont touch it within three months of getting issued it, why shouldnt they expire it |
| [03:27:13] | jamesd_: | just make a requests, in a few weeks to a month or two and you will get the coupon then just find a store with a converter in stock... walmart usually have them for $50 |
| [03:27:23] | Dagmar: | Most coupons expire in a MUCH shorter time than three months. |
| [03:27:49] | wagnerrp: | ive got a dateless coupon for an icee in my wallet |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | ive had it for maybe 15 years, and keep forgetting to use it |
| [03:28:05] | scant: | I'm going to wait until around December to request mine... |
| [03:28:05] | ** jamesd_ has ordered them for himself, along with numerous family and friends without network connections ** | |
| [03:28:32] | jamesd_: | scant, when they are gone.. they won't issue anymore... there is a limit to the number. |
| [03:29:13] | jamesd_: | scant, if you wait you may be a fool, the converters are usable now why not order now. |
| [03:29:17] | Dagmar: | It's pretty clear that when theyr'e done with this they intend to close the office handling that stuff down and reassign the people working on it. |
| [03:29:27] | scant: | but I am wondering if the supply will be exhausted, Congress only appropriated a certain amount of money for the coupons, and what I'm also wondering is if the appropriations can be revoked... |
| [03:29:30] | Dagmar: | They can't do that if there's coupons floating around that are good for a year or more |
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| [03:32:10] | scant: | I've been looking into what boxes are eligible, and I know full-featured boxes aren't eligible, but it's possible, newer, better boxes will come out when we are closer to the transition, which is why I want to wait |
| [03:32:41] | Dagmar: | In other words, more expensive boxes. |
| [03:33:20] | wagnerrp: | the coupons are only available for a limited set of digital converter boxes |
| [03:33:31] | wagnerrp: | they are not available for any HD converter boxes |
| [03:33:42] | wagnerrp: | the best output you can get is s-video |
| [03:33:44] | scant: | wagnerrp: I kind of just said that |
| [03:34:20] | scant: | what I guess I think is possible that a box will come out that can be modified somehow to add missing or disabled features |
| [03:34:22] | wagnerrp: | the boxes are indeed fully featured |
| [03:34:41] | wagnerrp: | they are a fully capable DTV box |
| [03:34:51] | wagnerrp: | an HDTV box is something completely different |
| [03:35:26] | wagnerrp: | and it is doubtful any 'better' boxes will come out near the end |
| [03:36:02] | scant: | wagnerrp: i dunno, that's what i'm waiting for, although i know it's doubtful |
| [03:38:31] | scant: | wagnerrp: is a HDTV box completely different? |
| [03:39:26] | scant: | i guess I thought it was only slightly different, and more silimiar than not |
| [03:39:31] | wagnerrp: | at its base, they both decode an mpeg2 signal and output it over analog |
| [03:39:48] | wagnerrp: | but the chipsets needed to do HD output are considerably more complex than anything SD capable |
| [03:39:58] | scant: | wagnerrp: ahhh, thanks for the explanation |
| [03:40:33] | HaSH: | whats the best way to backup mythtv?...id love to be able have backups of all my settings/scheduled shows...or is this not really possible short of backing up the whole system? |
| [03:40:35] | wagnerrp: | you need to support a composite signal, you need to support a signal up to 12x the data |
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| [03:41:11] | wagnerrp: | HaSH: you can just to a database bacup |
| [03:41:39] | wagnerrp: | do, backup |
| [03:41:59] | wagnerrp: | if wanted, the recordings directory can be copied as well |
| [03:42:04] | wagnerrp: | those are the only two things you need |
| [03:42:09] | HaSH: | wagnerrp, hmm ok. so id back up the database..then lets say i upgrade my distro(or switch) i can then just reinstall mythtv then load the back up of the database back into mysql and it will be the same? |
| [03:42:19] | Dagmar: | Depends on how you backed it up |
| [03:42:27] | Dagmar: | ...and whether or not you know what you're doing. |
| [03:42:30] | scant: | HaSH: if you aren't aware of it, this page was mentioned when I was asking about backup: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [03:42:50] | HaSH: | perfect scant thanks! |
| [03:42:52] | wagnerrp: | sometimes the database directory can be directly backed up |
| [03:42:58] | wagnerrp: | although thats typically not advised |
| [03:43:01] | Dagmar: | No, we cannot make predictions about what will happen when you attempt to restore to an unnamed configuration with an unnamed distro at an as-yet-to-be-determined point in the future. |
| [03:43:16] | wagnerrp: | mysqldump does a good job backing up anyway |
| [03:43:19] | HaSH: | i just spent like 45 mins scheduling things and adding rules....and the new ubuntu is comeing out soon...which i will prob upgrade soon after. |
| [03:44:02] | HaSH: | so im just trying to get an idea of what ill need to do to keep these settings |
| [03:44:51] | Dagmar: | Pray |
| [03:44:55] | Dagmar: | Lots. |
| [03:45:11] | scant: | hehe |
| [03:45:17] | wagnerrp: | once mythtv is set up, it *should* just involve dumping the database, restoring the old database, copying the recordings back in place, and starting everything back up |
| [03:45:20] | scant: | HaSH: do you use mythbuntu? |
| [03:46:17] | wagnerrp: | for someone who knows what theyre doing, such an action is relatively trivial |
| [03:46:21] | HaSH: | scant, well i use kubuntu...and i do install the mythbuntu-control-center |
| [03:46:41] | wagnerrp: | for someone who does everything from GUIs, it may be more difficult |
| [03:46:57] | Dagmar: | i.e., the functionally illiterate are doomed.\ |
| [03:47:29] | HaSH: | i normally dont use guis...but i found the mythbuntu-control-center to be handy in installing things |
| [03:48:20] | wagnerrp: | guis are great, if they are designed to do what you want to do |
| [03:48:26] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, they can be rather limiting |
| [03:48:26] | scant: | HaSH: are you an advanced linux user? |
| [03:49:30] | wagnerrp: | especially linux, where it is designed around the command line, while guis are added as a non-standardized afterthought |
| [03:49:32] | HaSH: | scant, umm. well. i dont consider myself a noob to linux...but im in way a expert. ive been using linux as a desktop for around 4 years |
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| [03:50:20] | HaSH: | im familier with compiling things...installing/configuring things..... |
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| [03:50:25] | wagnerrp: | ive been using linux (or freebsd) daily for about 7 years, and i still find myself lost over many a topic |
| [03:50:34] | HaSH: | right |
| [03:50:43] | HaSH: | i learn new things on a daily basis |
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| [03:51:14] | wagnerrp: | even more frustrating is when i fix something, only to have it fail again 6 months later with no idea how i fixed it the first time |
| [03:51:23] | HaSH: | haha |
| [03:51:27] | HaSH: | i had this issue |
| [03:51:30] | ** scant is always lost ** | |
| [03:52:00] | HaSH: | i know keep a Saved-Shit folder......i try to documnet every thing i had a hard time doing |
| [03:52:16] | HaSH: | id would be *so* SOL without it ;-) |
| [03:53:08] | scant: | HaSH: I do something similiar, keep scripts and txt files on things I learn |
| [03:53:15] | HaSH: | and i now have a blog and wiki...so i try to document it all on there step by step for others to learn from it too |
| [03:53:34] | scant: | HaSH: but I still haven't figured out how to do error fault detection in scripts yet to gracefully quit |
| [03:53:36] | wagnerrp: | i set up a vpn tunnel on my firewall between my home network and campus |
| [03:53:37] | HaSH: | and by now i mean there both new |
| [03:54:06] | wagnerrp: | i had it working 8 months ago, then last weekend, i copied all the configuration over to an ALIX box as the new firewall |
| [03:54:11] | scant: | wagnerrp: I've used openswan l2tp before, but never got it fully functional |
| [03:54:16] | HaSH: | what kinda vpn? |
| [03:54:26] | HaSH: | i have a PPTP.txt in my folder ;-o |
| [03:54:35] | scant: | pptp is insecure i hear |
| [03:54:38] | HaSH: | yea |
| [03:54:38] | wagnerrp: | it ended up not working, because there was something i changed manually, never put into the configs, and got lost when i rebooted the machine after some 240 days of uptime |
| [03:54:44] | HaSH: | well less secure...still ok |
| [03:54:49] | scant: | yea |
| [03:54:55] | wagnerrp: | Cisco 3000 client |
| [03:55:09] | HaSH: | if i need security i just tunnel over ssh |
| [03:56:47] | wagnerrp: | ended up taking me another 4 hours trying to figure the problem |
| [03:57:03] | wagnerrp: | before i finally just hooked in tcpdump to see where the packets were getting blocked |
| [03:57:28] | wagnerrp: | fixed it 5 minutes afterwards |
| [03:57:33] | HaSH: | ah. wish ya thought it 4 hours earlier eh? ;-) |
| [03:57:47] | HaSH: | *thought about it |
| [03:58:58] | wagnerrp: | well it was 4 hours while watching a backlog of tv shows |
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| [04:00:17] | HaSH: | ah |
| [04:00:44] | HaSH: | so i think imma ask for a hd pvr for xmas....seems like the only way to go for HD |
| [04:01:01] | wagnerrp: | for HD cable/sat, probably |
| [04:01:08] | wagnerrp: | youve tried QAM and firewire? |
| [04:01:19] | HaSH: | this firewire wont get any hbo type channels..and its flakes in and out..sometimes it works..sometimes it doesnt |
| [04:01:23] | HaSH: | yea |
| [04:01:29] | HaSH: | i bitched out comcast |
| [04:01:36] | HaSH: | still have not heard back from them |
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| [04:01:56] | HaSH: | kept saying "we passed it along to higher techs" |
| [04:02:00] | scant: | HaSH: *I think* HD PVR support isn't built in to MythTV release branch yet |
| [04:02:01] | HaSH: | and they will contact you |
| [04:02:06] | HaSH: | scant, its not |
| [04:02:17] | HaSH: | will be in next release...which im hoping will drop around xmas |
| [04:02:19] | scant: | HaSH: I gotta wait till it is |
| [04:03:20] | HaSH: | im really surprised there are no cards that have composite in on them. |
| [04:03:37] | wagnerrp: | nearly all analog cards have composite inputs |
| [04:03:48] | HaSH: | err |
| [04:03:51] | HaSH: | component |
| [04:03:57] | HaSH: | i always confuse the 2 |
| [04:04:29] | wagnerrp: | there are a handful of component capture cards, but anything under a grand will be 480/576i |
| [04:04:40] | HaSH: | yea. |
| [04:04:55] | wagnerrp: | matrox makes a nice 1080p component capture card |
| [04:05:03] | HaSH: | for like what?...3000$ |
| [04:05:07] | wagnerrp: | 2 |
| [04:05:12] | scant: | wagnerrp: didn't know that, interesting |
| [04:05:18] | HaSH: | just a tad out of my price range lol |
| [04:05:22] | wagnerrp: | comes complete with hardware encoders and decoders |
| [04:05:51] | HaSH: | i wonder why they are so much.. |
| [04:06:16] | wagnerrp: | because its professional grade hardware |
| [04:06:24] | wagnerrp: | and its low volume production |
| [04:06:35] | HaSH: | ah. |
| [04:06:45] | HaSH: | well i guess i wonder why there are no others that are cheaper. |
| [04:06:57] | wagnerrp: | there is the hdpvr |
| [04:07:14] | HaSH: | right. but i wonder why they dont have like pci cards and stuff.. |
| [04:07:26] | HaSH: | for component inputs |
| [04:08:04] | HaSH: | seems like there should be consumer grade ones that dont cost as much as some cars |
| [04:08:27] | scant: | HaSH: yeah, I was wondering the same thing, how come there's no HD PVR PCI-E version |
| [04:09:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they made it usb rather than pci(e) |
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| [04:09:46] | HaSH: | yea. would love to have a composite in pci card. the hdpvr will just take up more space |
| [04:09:58] | HaSH: | *component |
| [04:09:58] | scant: | both USB and PCI(E) are good, but I'd probably buy a PCI(E) one if it were available |
| [04:10:34] | scant: | does anyone here do firewire capture from a STB? |
| [04:11:16] | scant: | is it easy to setup? reliable? |
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| [04:12:06] | HaSH: | yea i do |
| [04:12:16] | HaSH: | semi easy. and no not reliable |
| [04:12:49] | HaSH: | alot of times it wont work. defiantly not something i would trust to record my fav show. |
| [04:13:12] | HaSH: | but for some it works decent. |
| [04:14:07] | scant: | k |
| [04:14:41] | HaSH: | oh im doing this from a SA 4250HDC from comcast |
| [04:17:47] | scant: | HaSH: is that a known unreliable STB for firewire capture? |
| [04:18:19] | HaSH: | tbh im not sure. |
| [04:18:36] | HaSH: | its just what comcast gave me |
| [04:18:39] | scant: | yea |
| [04:20:44] | HaSH: | but in the mythtv-settings there is a drop down option for the 4250HD(not C) |
| [04:21:19] | HaSH: | it changes the channel via firewire and all..but sometimes it just cant get "lock" on the channel |
| [04:21:36] | scant: | hmmm |
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| [04:32:44] | hadees: | HaSH, see if they have other boxes |
| [04:32:52] | hadees: | TIme Warner has a few |
| [04:33:26] | HaSH: | yea. i could try a diff location...she said they only had the SA SD and HD boxes |
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| [04:48:59] | scant: | hadees: u do firewire stb capture? |
| [04:49:18] | hadees: | scant, no just for channel changing |
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| [05:16:24] | scant: | hadees: u still there? is there a reason you don't do firewire capture? |
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| [05:25:00] | hadees: | scant, i use HD-PVRs and my cable company Time Warner of Austin gave me only the channels there were forced to meaning i only got like OTA channels |
| [05:25:14] | hadees: | which is why i went with the HD-PVRs |
| [05:25:23] | hadees: | they are a much better way of going about it if you can afford it |
| [05:26:39] | fryfrog: | hadees: i am going to switch to them when the next stable version of myth comes out. |
| [05:26:43] | fryfrog: | firewire can lick my bung hole |
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| [05:49:06] | mchou: | I dont understand why som many people have issues with firewire |
| [05:49:33] | mchou: | works great for me, and I get more channels thru the STB than clearQAM |
| [05:49:44] | mchou: | so* |
| [05:49:44] | scant: | mchou: what stb do u use? |
| [05:49:54] | mchou: | dct6200 |
| [05:50:04] | mchou: | and no, you cant have it :) |
| [05:50:08] | scant: | mchou: are there stb boxes that are known to work better than others? |
| [05:50:33] | mchou: | scant: beats me. I've ONLY used 6200 and it's be solid |
| [05:50:39] | mchou: | been* |
| [05:50:51] | scant: | mchou: is your stb from your cableco? or did you like buy it? steal it? |
| [05:50:54] | scant: | =) |
| [05:51:20] | mchou: | no, it's from comcast. but they want to exchange mine for a "ne" one |
| [05:51:24] | mchou: | new* |
| [05:51:41] | mchou: | I tell them "hell no!" |
| [05:51:50] | mchou: | my stb has been debugged |
| [05:51:54] | scant: | mchou: is your stb modified to allow either for more reliablity or more chanels? |
| [05:52:05] | mchou: | nope. no mods |
| [05:52:31] | scant: | mchou: do you know why you can get more channels via firewire than clearqam? |
| [05:52:49] | mchou: | scant: YMMV because cableco deploy different firmware though |
| [05:52:51] | scant: | mchou: i would have thought there would be parity between the 2 |
| [05:53:15] | mchou: | scant: nope. clearqam is inferior |
| [05:53:31] | scant: | hm |
| [05:53:46] | mchou: | the STB gets a whole bunch of stuff that clearqam does not |
| [05:53:54] | scant: | how many stb's do you got attached to your backend? |
| [05:53:58] | mchou: | but this is also YMMV |
| [05:54:19] | mchou: | just one. |
| [05:54:37] | mchou: | no reason I cant get more except I dont need to |
| [05:54:55] | scant: | mchou: so if i could get firewire working, except for not being able to capture all channels, it's better than a HDPVR? because the stream is untouched? |
| [05:55:16] | mchou: | I hear people have all sorts of issues w/1394 bus resets |
| [05:55:32] | mchou: | scant: no, I never said that |
| [05:55:43] | scant: | no, i'm asking if that's the case |
| [05:55:52] | scant: | i'm not implying that you suggested that was the case |
| [05:56:18] | mchou: | theoretically HDPVR is better. I'm dubious |
| [05:56:22] | scant: | oh |
| [05:56:28] | scant: | i thought fireiwire was better |
| [05:56:46] | mchou: | it depends what you mean by 'better' |
| [05:57:01] | scant: | better picture quality = better |
| [05:57:11] | mchou: | not everything is in the clear for firewire |
| [05:57:35] | mchou: | 1394 would definitely have better 'PQ' |
| [05:57:56] | scant: | are you using firewire on your mobo or expansion card? |
| [05:58:16] | mchou: | my mobo deosnt have built in firewire |
| [05:58:36] | scant: | so a pci card? or pci-e card? |
| [05:58:40] | mchou: | I wish it did though. would free up 1 more PCI slot |
| [05:58:58] | scant: | perhaps you have reliable firewire because you're using a pci card... |
| [05:59:36] | mchou: | I dont see why that would really matter uneless there are IRQ conflicts or some such |
| [05:59:57] | scant: | latency also? dunno... |
| [06:00:06] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:00:18] | mchou: | who cares about latency on firewire? |
| [06:00:43] | mchou: | I mean as long as you get the bits it's not going to matter |
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| [09:18:24] | hume: | hi...seems i got the myslq-permissions wrong for a mythtv-user – how do I set them from command line? |
| [09:28:01] | justinh: | how do you read the docs? hmmm |
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| [09:32:53] | directhex: | how do i shot web? |
| [09:33:52] | Scopeuk: | first you need an iradiated spider? |
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| [09:37:20] | hume: | ah... I feel so lost: i can log in to mysql on command line with my mythtv-user: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg, but mythtv-setup cannot connect to database |
| [09:37:55] | hume: | any ideas on what to check? feels like I have been here before... |
| [09:38:18] | justinh: | sudo apt-get install clue |
| [09:39:25] | justinh: | if you can log into the mysql database as the mythtv mysql user, your mysql config must be ok |
| [09:39:43] | justinh: | so, the only other thing that can be wrong is the part where those details go into mythtv |
| [09:40:26] | justinh: | locate & ensure the following files are correct if present.. mysql.txt and config.xml (least I think it's called config.xml) |
| [09:42:20] | hume: | and then run mythtv-setup? |
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| [09:43:34] | hume: | ok...does not work, and I get additional info: cannot find database on the network – seems mysql wont let me connect other than from localhost |
| [09:44:05] | Scopeuk: | ahh by default mysql has network support disabled |
| [09:44:16] | Scopeuk: | you need to edit mysql.txt |
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| [09:44:53] | hume: | bind-adress to.... the NIC on the machine, or the subnet, as in 192.168.0? |
| [09:45:05] | justinh: | is this all on one machine? |
| [09:45:23] | justinh: | it's usually a good idea to furnish prospective helpers with relevant information |
| [09:45:23] | hume: | this is a backend to be accessed over the LAN, 192.168.0 |
| [09:45:28] | justinh: | ffs |
| [09:45:29] | hume: | sorry |
| [09:45:42] | justinh: | you never run mythtv-setup on a frontend |
| [09:45:50] | Scopeuk: | you missed [10:44] <hume> ok...does not work, and I get additional info: cannot find database on the network -seems mysql wont let me connect other than from localhost |
| [09:46:29] | justinh: | should've been stated that it's a slave backend or remote frontend from the outset I'm afraid |
| [09:46:39] | justinh: | the docs cover this |
| [09:47:56] | justinh: | the default mysql privileges are for anybody identifying as 'mythtv' on localhost |
| [09:48:03] | justinh: | that needs to be changed |
| [09:48:44] | justinh: | make sure you can log in to the database from other machines using mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h $host |
| [09:49:05] | justinh: | networking is disabled on mysql by default on most installs |
| [09:51:53] | justinh: | wow. just rename the wiki wishlist already |
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| [09:58:42] | hume: | ok..seems I got that part to work, thanks |
| [09:58:44] | hume: | when I have a new backend up – can I move old recordings, done on another backend to the new one, and access them through the Recordings view? |
| [10:02:12] | justinh: | don't think it's quite as simple as that |
| [10:03:30] | justinh: | each recording has an associated hostname entry in the 'recorded' table so that would need to be updated along with the basename & storagegroup id |
| [10:04:49] | justinh: | that's a whole load of pain waiting to happen |
| [10:08:35] | justinh: | basename wouldn't have to change but hostname & storagegroupid would |
| [10:08:57] | hume: | ok |
| [10:09:36] | justinh: | and of course storagegroupid would have to relate to a storage group which actually exists |
| [10:09:50] | justinh: | (and is correct) |
| [10:14:32] | justinh: | when you look at the question you asked the other day, automagically moving recordings between backends – this is why it's quite silly. You'd need to export the final destination over the network anyway for a user job move script to work, so why not just have a central store anyway? |
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| [10:15:10] | rooaus: | I think myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is what you want, it appears to have been updated for storage groups. |
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| [10:15:46] | justinh: | if you know what you're doing it wouldn't be that big a job to update it yourself |
| [10:16:27] | hume: | ok |
| [10:16:29] | justinh: | copy (not move) the files initially to their new home. This new home is set as a storage group on the new backend |
| [10:17:00] | justinh: | find out the id of the new backend's storage group & make a note of it |
| [10:18:19] | justinh: | then do something like UPDATE recorded SET hostname="$newhostname" storagegroupid="$newgroupid" WHERE hostname="$oldhostname"; |
| [10:18:52] | justinh: | not sure if the syntax is correct there for updating multiple columns though |
| [10:19:39] | justinh: | if you want to try myth.rebuilddatabse.pl, for God's sakes try it with the 'test' option first |
| [10:19:58] | justinh: | and only ever operate on the database when you have a full backup |
| [10:20:49] | justinh: | wonder if that db rebuild script still does anything destructive with no args passed to it by default |
| [10:21:00] | justinh: | that was never a good idea IMHO |
| [10:21:18] | justinh: | with no args it should show you what it'd do, not go off & actually do it |
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| [10:22:59] | rooaus: | You should have to at least specify --shoot-self-in-foot to do bad stuff, as you suggested. |
| [10:23:22] | justinh: | yeah seems you still have to specify --test-mode |
| [10:23:39] | justinh: | that should be changed to --go-do-it-so-help-me-god |
| [10:25:47] | justinh: | ah what the hell. why do I care |
| [10:26:20] | justinh: | mkfs doesn't ask for fingerprint recognition, after all |
| [10:26:46] | justinh: | if we set out to save every user from themselves we'd be on it forever |
| [10:27:20] | Scopeuk: | dont know apt-get remove * is pretty damn prat proof |
| [10:27:21] | justinh: | delete this? are you sure? are you sure you're sure? Really? Come on, be honest now.. still sure? |
| [10:27:36] | justinh: | Y Y Y Y Y DOH |
| [10:27:44] | Scopeuk: | I am Root, Do as I say! |
| [10:28:31] | justinh: | I was initially a sudo sceptic, but it seems to have protected me from myself up to now |
| [10:29:32] | Scopeuk: | i'm bad for that sudo su - |
| [10:29:44] | Scopeuk: | bing bing bing bad idea award to Scopeuk |
| [10:30:55] | justinh: | gawd, glad I'm not in a rush for that sata card from dealextreme |
| [10:30:59] | justinh: | 12 to 17 day delivery time |
| [10:31:04] | Scopeuk: | yikes |
| [10:31:15] | Scopeuk: | whats it comming by snail? |
| [10:31:24] | justinh: | overseas snail mail |
| [10:31:29] | Scopeuk: | ahh |
| [10:31:41] | justinh: | why they couldn't just do a binary dump into my replicator I'll never know |
| [10:31:59] | justinh: | oh yeah. they haven't been invented yet :P |
| [10:32:32] | Scopeuk: | give reprap a decade or 2 |
| [10:32:55] | justinh: | I hope I'll be dead by then. 2 decades. yikes |
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| [10:33:41] | justinh: | somebody joining the right channel then leaving to go to the wrong channel? heh |
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| [10:34:58] | Dar1us: | anyone know if it's possible to add an idle timer to the frontend? |
| [10:35:08] | Dar1us: | ie so it will exit after some amount of user inactivity |
| [10:35:16] | justinh: | it's certainly possible |
| [10:35:22] | justinh: | can you code? |
| [10:35:27] | Dar1us: | yep |
| [10:35:38] | justinh: | there you go then |
| [10:35:38] | Dar1us: | I was hoping for an existing code solution tho :) |
| [10:35:42] | Dar1us: | coded |
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| [10:35:59] | ** Dar1us files that under "correct but useless" ** | |
| [10:36:13] | justinh: | not sure it's a feature many people would want to use though... |
| [10:36:47] | Dar1us: | I have my system shutdown when there is no front end running |
| [10:36:55] | Dar1us: | it would be handy if it would idle off automatically |
| [10:37:07] | justinh: | I thought mythwelcome made that sort of cack possible |
| [10:37:22] | justinh: | but you have to quit out of mythfrontend into mythwelcome |
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| [10:37:38] | justinh: | integrate mythwelcome into mythfrontend :) |
| [10:38:20] | Dar1us: | heh |
| [10:38:27] | Dar1us: | well that's the thing |
| [10:38:38] | justinh: | the tricky part might be signalling to the timer that you don't want it to kick in, from everywhere it needs to be done from |
| [10:38:56] | Dar1us: | yeah.. I guess I need a way to work out idle time in the front end |
| [10:38:59] | justinh: | is it still idle if mythmusic is playing? |
| [10:39:09] | justinh: | is it considered idle if you're watching tv? |
| [10:39:33] | justinh: | livetv has an idle timer already btw.. it's hidden away in the database |
| [10:39:43] | justinh: | to save HDD space |
| [10:40:10] | Dar1us: | justinh: policy dependent |
| [10:40:19] | Dar1us: | justinh: the underlying facility is the first thing needed.. |
| [10:40:47] | justinh: | I'm not sure the argument against more settings in the GUI is relevant anymore. When there are so many, there can't be that much damage bringing a few more in |
| [10:41:05] | justinh: | once they're reorganised ;) |
| [10:41:29] | Dar1us: | yeah.. it's already a nightmare finding what you want :) |
| [10:41:44] | Dar1us: | bbl story time |
| [10:41:44] | justinh: | I wouldn't say it was a nightmare. It's no xine :) |
| [10:41:55] | justinh: | THAT is a nightmare |
| [10:42:18] | Dar1us: | heh |
| [10:42:30] | justinh: | anyway, I can't imagine a simple timer to quit out of mythfrontend would be hard to code |
| [10:42:42] | justinh: | even if it's restricted to just the menu screens |
| [10:42:45] | Dar1us: | justinh: you have a weak imagination ;) |
| [10:42:46] | justinh: | (initially) |
| [10:42:53] | Dar1us: | yeah |
| [10:43:12] | justinh: | I'm offended now. weak imagination my eye |
| [10:43:51] | Dar1us: | awww |
| [10:44:27] | justinh: | how's this for an idea.. have it run a shutdown script (a la mythshutdown) which can do fancy stuff like set a frontend's wakeup time & maybe even turn the TV off via an IR blaster |
| [10:44:47] | justinh: | that would be quite nifty |
| [10:45:25] | Dar1us: | actually.. I was thinking of building a box that slaves teh TV & amp power to myth |
| [10:45:36] | Dar1us: | so when the myth box is on they get power, otherwise not |
| [10:45:46] | justinh: | you can buy them quite cheaply already |
| [10:46:18] | justinh: | less hassle, and prolly less ugly & smaller than anybody could make at home |
| [10:46:25] | Dar1us: | ah.. I've seen them in hobby magazines but not commercially available |
| [10:47:11] | justinh: | yeah I saw one in 'Silicon Chip' before I'd heard of the commercially available ones |
| [10:48:39] | justinh: | you know now I think about this, maybe there already is a 'sleep timer'. I'm not sure now |
| [10:48:56] | Dar1us: | someone added a sleep timer for live TV |
| [10:48:58] | Dar1us: | in the DB only |
| [10:49:04] | Dar1us: | but it doesn't exit the frontend |
| [10:49:44] | justinh: | ahh yeah that was what gbee added |
| [10:51:02] | Dar1us: | I've done my googling :) |
| [10:58:56] | mzb_d800: | Can anyone tell me where mythtv-setup gets it's frequency tables for scanning? (DVB-T) |
| [10:59:13] | justinh: | from the source code |
| [10:59:17] | justinh: | they're all defined in there |
| [10:59:37] | justinh: | or are you asking about the particular filename? |
| [10:59:58] | mzb_d800: | So if my area only includes the main transmitter and not the local translators I need to modify source? |
| [11:00:01] | mzb_d800: | sounds odd |
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| [11:00:21] | justinh: | local translators? |
| [11:00:25] | justinh: | you mean local relays? |
| [11:00:34] | mzb_d800: | close enough |
| [11:00:36] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [11:00:45] | mzb_d800: | called translators |
| [11:01:06] | justinh: | the freq. tables don't go into that much detail. they only define the actual band |
| [11:01:28] | justinh: | nothing about which transmitter is on which frequency |
| [11:01:36] | mzb_d800: | main transmitter is VHF, this particular translator is high-band UHF |
| [11:01:54] | justinh: | ah so a scan is missing it |
| [11:02:16] | mzb_d800: | I can scan OK (eventually), but mythtv-setup insists on entering the VHF frequencies for the multiplexes |
| [11:02:38] | justinh: | that sounds like a driver problem |
| [11:02:47] | justinh: | or are you using trunk? |
| [11:02:50] | mzb_d800: | I can fix it manually be editing dvt_multiplexes (?) ... but it's a pain |
| [11:02:54] | mzb_d800: | 0.21-fixes |
| [11:03:02] | justinh: | hrm. not that then |
| [11:03:21] | justinh: | maybe something's up with the NIT parsing |
| [11:03:59] | justinh: | maybe something's up with the broadcaster's setup |
| [11:04:02] | mzb_d800: | further complicated by the fact that I have access to both transmitters (If I choose) as I've got a dual-input masthead amp |
| [11:04:08] | justinh: | ugh |
| [11:04:17] | mzb_d800: | (and two aerials) |
| [11:04:23] | justinh: | I don't think there's anything wrong with the frequency tables as such |
| [11:04:35] | mzb_d800: | however the problem persists with only one aerial (UHF) |
| [11:04:39] | justinh: | they only define what frequencies channels are on |
| [11:05:04] | mzb_d800: | isn't there localisation involved somewhere? |
| [11:05:22] | justinh: | kind of but only as far reaching as ranges of frequencies |
| [11:05:37] | mzb_d800: | I tried deleting channels, multiplexes ... and so on ... all to no effect. |
| [11:06:27] | mzb_d800: | note that there is no mention of the local translators in dvb-utils ... if that makes a difference |
| [11:06:41] | mzb_d800: | only the main transmitter |
| [11:06:42] | justinh: | libs/libmythtv/frequencytables.cpp |
| [11:06:56] | justinh: | I doubt that'll help though |
| [11:07:08] | mzb_d800: | (50kW-200kW vs 1.6kW;)) |
| [11:07:22] | justinh: | sounds like the local translators are either reporting the main network frequency as opposed to their own, or myth is confused |
| [11:07:35] | justinh: | or your driver is lying about the freq. it's tuned to |
| [11:07:53] | justinh: | myth's scanner has workarounds in place for both AFAIK |
| [11:08:26] | justinh: | has this always been a problem for you mzb_d800 ? |
| [11:08:32] | justinh: | or has it just come about? |
| [11:08:36] | mzb_d800: | I've just moved |
| [11:09:22] | mzb_d800: | the main transmitter is what I was using before, but at the new location the signal has too much ghosting (tower just visible over the brow of a hill) |
| [11:09:39] | mzb_d800: | so I'm using a translator about 6km across the river |
| [11:09:40] | justinh: | in the transmitted broadcast tables there's a thing called something like 'other networks information' which tells a receiver which muxes have relays & the frequencies of such... |
| [11:09:56] | mzb_d800: | make sense |
| [11:10:36] | mzb_d800: | but if that's the case why do all (3) set-top boxes work it out, but not mythtv? |
| [11:11:09] | justinh: | stbs can work just fine when broadcasters do out of spec stuff |
| [11:11:10] | mzb_d800: | seems like there's either missing information or a logic(al) error somewhere |
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| [11:11:57] | mzb_d800: | I'd have expected the "government station" (ABC) to be on spec |
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| [11:12:19] | mzb_d800: | oh ... and their multicultural side-kick (SBS) |
| [11:12:19] | justinh: | dvb specs are as far from a 'standard' as you can get, just about |
| [11:12:22] | directhex: | justinh, you're smart. what's the point in 3-mux transmitters? |
| [11:12:53] | justinh: | directhex: AFAIK none. you should move closer to civilisation |
| [11:13:26] | mzb_d800: | (making a total of 4 SD channels, 2 HD channels, and 4 digital radio that are "government" ... kinda) |
| [11:13:42] | justinh: | or maybe they feel people who live where you live are too high-brow for the likes of Five ;) |
| [11:14:07] | directhex: | justinh, when switchover happens for us, we will get 100 signal (by digitaluk's scores) for the first three muxes, from the new transmitter 3km from my house... or 98–99 from Oxford, on all six, 32km away |
| [11:14:43] | justinh: | no idea what the point of that is. I'm no expert on RF propagation though |
| [11:15:15] | mzb_d800: | using the published centre-frequencies I created a scan file, from which I was able to create what seems to be a correct channels.conf |
| [11:15:40] | justinh: | mzb_d800: does dvb-utils' scan find the locals okay? |
| [11:15:52] | Dar1us: | mzb_d800: where are you? |
| [11:15:54] | justinh: | if so, it's definitely a myth problem |
| [11:16:28] | mzb_d800: | Dar1us: Hobart ... I'm using the Hobart NE Suburbs translator (Government Hills) |
| [11:16:50] | Dar1us: | mzb_d800: OK |
| [11:17:01] | justinh: | ah. penny just dropped what a translator is. we have them here. they take a signal from one frequency & splat it out on another frequency |
| [11:17:16] | Dar1us: | mzb_d800: Adelaide here.. I didn't have any trouble except that I had to import a channel file.. scanning with myth produced a broken DB table |
| [11:17:21] | mzb_d800: | justinh: when I use my custom scan file dvb-utils' scan finds the high-band UHF stuff just fine (with no misreported frequencies) |
| [11:17:38] | justinh: | in that case, I wonder if the problem is myth taking the table contents as gospel then |
| [11:17:42] | Dar1us: | bbl |
| [11:17:50] | mzb_d800: | Dar1us: are you using a main transmitter, or a translator? |
| [11:18:08] | justinh: | since if all the translator is doing is passing the same data from the main tx... the embedded info would be the same too |
| [11:18:34] | justinh: | whereas an STB wouldn't necessarily use the tables even when it's scanning |
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| [11:18:54] | justinh: | we fall over by following spec. yet again :) |
| [11:19:08] | mzb_d800: | that *may* be how it works |
| [11:19:15] | mzb_d800: | I can't be certain |
| [11:19:24] | justinh: | mzb_d800: you might get somewhere by doing a tuned scan, entering the frequency of the local translator |
| [11:19:35] | directhex: | justinh, oh, even better, the local analog-only transmitter, the one 3km away, apparently only has 4 channels on it right now. is it powered with AA batteries? O_o |
| [11:19:37] | justinh: | you'd prolly have to do that repeatedly |
| [11:19:41] | mzb_d800: | I've tried to eliminate all potential causes of confusion by deleting all previous information |
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| [11:20:00] | justinh: | jees how many tx have you got over there directhex ? |
| [11:20:31] | justinh: | come the switchover, based on how much they're boosting Winter Hill I might just need a bit of damp string |
| [11:20:39] | mzb_d800: | I can certainly try that justinh ... there are only 5 frequencies/multiplexes to deal with ... so no REAL big deal |
| [11:20:51] | directhex: | justinh, digitaluk lists 3 analog transmitters in vague range, plus one more digital one in range post-switchover |
| [11:20:52] | justinh: | currently 1kw, gonna be 100kw |
| [11:21:29] | justinh: | anyway it won't be SIX muxes. it's gonna ve only five |
| [11:21:33] | justinh: | *be |
| [11:22:05] | justinh: | the 'new' 6th mux will be for HD but isn't gauranteed to come on air at the same time |
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| [11:22:42] | directhex: | using some as yet undecided transmission system for which no kit exists? |
| [11:22:49] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:23:03] | directhex: | how about they just get rid of some other shite in the spectrum, and add >6 muxes? |
| [11:23:04] | justinh: | more than likely will be dvb-t2 (now ratified allegedly) |
| [11:23:22] | justinh: | how about they sell off the rest of the spectrum for £££££££££££&po und;£££££££££££ ;£££££££££££&p ound;£££ instead? |
| [11:23:27] | mzb_d800: | re power of transmitters/translators here, see: http://www.acma.gov.au/Interforms/DCPs/DCPs/T . . . R_200308.pdf |
| [11:23:44] | justinh: | mobile broadbandings! |
| [11:24:00] | justinh: | cos everybody need teh intertubes on their wristwatch |
| [11:24:07] | mzb_d800: | (see page 8+) |
| [11:24:29] | justinh: | and will nobody think of the poor country bumpkins with no telephone lines for miles & miles & miles? they need porn too |
| [11:25:26] | justinh: | I hope there comes a point soon when somebody in a position of power decides that there are too many TV channels to be any good for the industry |
| [11:25:46] | ** mzb_d800 wonders if watching porn on a mobile phone would contribute to accidents w/ farm machinery ** | |
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| [11:26:31] | justinh: | wouldn't do anybody's eyesight any good ;) |
| [11:26:37] | mzb_d800: | (and contribute to a drop in sales for velcro gloves;)) |
| [11:26:54] | mzb_d800: | baaa!! |
| [11:27:36] | directhex: | "The Bretch Hill transmitter causes another problem in that it broadcasts its analogue BBC2 on the same frequency as the Oxford digital signal for Sky News and Sky Sports News. So those people in Banbury with a digital freeview box can often not get these couple of channels." |
| [11:27:37] | directhex: | :| |
| [11:28:08] | directhex: | no wonder i can't get any mux c |
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| [11:28:45] | justinh: | which govt minister recently said she'd rather see mobile broadbandings take off than have another load of useless TV channels? she has a point – but that misses the fact that we don't want mo stinking channels. we want technical quality to be more betterer |
| [11:29:13] | directhex: | don't vomit, but... |
| [11:29:28] | directhex: | pushes towards both iptv and mobile broadband, at the same time? |
| [11:29:33] | directhex: | put 2 and 2 together |
| [11:29:41] | justinh: | iptv.. the great closed box of delights :-\ |
| [11:29:53] | justinh: | home gateways, all under the control of the provider |
| [11:30:07] | ** mzb_d800 is happy with 5 transports ** | |
| [11:30:47] | justinh: | call me an uber-cynical git... I don't see ayepeeteevee (or indeed anything on-demand) as a good thing |
| [11:31:34] | directhex: | justinh, iptv served over mobile broadbean! :D |
| [11:32:06] | justinh: | they reckon every user of mobile broadbean can get a full 24mbits/sec :-O |
| [11:32:32] | justinh: | all that the price of frying kids' brains.. more on that story later |
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| [11:33:29] | laga_: | any recommendations on a PSU for a HTPC? seasonic maybe? |
| [11:33:43] | laga_: | it needs to be überquiet |
| [11:33:47] | justinh: | the whole problem is caused by the UHF TV band being in the sweet spot of range vs available channel bandwidth |
| [11:34:24] | justinh: | laga_: go for one of those dc-dc converter thingies with an external brick. silence |
| [11:34:33] | justinh: | only good for <120W or so |
| [11:34:44] | laga_: | no, i will have moar megahertz |
| [11:34:45] | justinh: | but most HTPCs would be.. assuming only TV usage |
| [11:34:56] | mzb_d800: | justinh: so let me get this straight ... you think that what mythtv does is to scan the transport, and read the "published" frequencies in the transport, rather than use the frequency it's reading? |
| [11:35:10] | justinh: | mzb_d800: it can do yeah |
| [11:35:20] | mzb_d800: | duh/doh |
| [11:35:37] | justinh: | it's been known to ask the driver what freq. it's tuned to when a lock is obtained too... |
| [11:35:41] | justinh: | some drivers lie |
| [11:35:53] | justinh: | all logical, sensible seeming assumptions |
| [11:36:12] | mzb_d800: | so a combination of stupidity involved ... great |
| [11:36:44] | justinh: | mzb_d800: try a tuned scan with the local translator's freq |
| [11:37:07] | justinh: | it might have been fixed in trunk, I dunno |
| [11:37:12] | mzb_d800: | how is that different to using an imported channels.conf ? |
| [11:37:17] | justinh: | worth having a search through some tickets |
| [11:37:19] | rooaus: | laga_: Last time I looked the Seasonics were well respected, loved even at silentpcreview. |
| [11:37:40] | justinh: | mzb_d800: btw how up to date is your -fixes? |
| [11:37:40] | laga_: | aah, spcr. now that's a source of wisdom i'd forgotten about |
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| [11:38:00] | justinh: | laga_: is moar mhz > 120W overall? |
| [11:38:02] | mzb_d800: | err ... a few weeks, couple of months (I guess) |
| [11:38:30] | laga_: | justinh: probably not. but if it's going to hold two hard disks.. |
| [11:38:38] | mzb_d800: | MythTV Version : 18169 |
| [11:38:39] | justinh: | then again it's prolly pushing it for a combined FE/BE |
| [11:38:50] | ** justinh goes to lunch ** | |
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| [11:39:38] | Sulx: | anyone using stv0297 based card? |
| [11:39:41] | rooaus: | laga_: Yeah, spent a lot of time on that site when I build my first frontend.... and cursed the fact that Seasonic wasn't distributed here at the time :) |
| [11:40:03] | rooaus: | *built |
| [11:40:34] | laga_: | heh |
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| [11:55:28] | hausha: | I'm trying to get my PVR-150 to work with Debian Sarge. But I get an error loading firmware. from dmesg (unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw) |
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| [12:04:07] | justinh: | hausha: well, have you found the firmware & dropped it into /lib/firmware ? |
| [12:04:51] | justinh: | IIRC the firmware is available for download from ivtvdriver.org |
| [12:06:07] | justinh: | laga_: fsp PSUs can be quiet too.. whether they're quiet enough or not... that's up for debate |
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| [12:07:33] | laga_: | justinh: i have never been satisfied with a "quiet" box so far.. |
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| [12:10:05] | justinh: | nor me. my epia's 'silent' fan of 25dBA (yeah in theory inaudible in my livingroom whose ambient SPL is >25dBA) was totally noticable even above the wall clock |
| [12:10:43] | justinh: | my current FE is as good as silent even when the FSP PSU gets warm & its fan kicks in |
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| [12:16:29] | Sulx: | I just crank up the volume from my amp...then fans dont really annoy ;) |
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| [12:18:50] | laga_: | JoshBorke: WoWUIDev? World of Warcraft? |
| [12:19:17] | JoshBorke: | laga_: correct |
| [12:19:48] | JoshBorke: | laga_: i wrote some addons for it in the past |
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| [12:41:00] | justinh: | gah. web surfing over freenx is getting to be too slow here |
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| [13:07:36] | gbee: | heh, in the last year XBMC have added over three million lines of code – taking them to ~4 million lines – mythtv, functionally with all it's additional functionality sits barely above 1 million lines |
| [13:07:52] | gbee: | s/functionally// |
| [13:08:11] | gbee: | makes you wonder just what those XMBC guys are doing |
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| [13:09:12] | gbee: | even the kernel has just 9 million lines |
| [13:13:00] | justinh: | must take a lot of effort to regress so far |
| [13:13:01] | pheld: | maybe it has to do with xbmc including a copy of the source of just about every dependency ;) |
| [13:13:50] | justinh: | but fair play to them for finally doing away with the need to have STOLEN tools to build it |
| [13:14:04] | Dar1us: | pheld: sounds like openoffice :( |
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| [13:15:38] | gbee: | even mythtv pulls in copies of most dependancies – but then maybe xbmc has a lot more dependancies to do the same job |
| [13:17:41] | pheld: | not saying I agree. Just observed sources for a lot of libs being included when I tested xbmc-trunk recently. Much, or maybe most, of the included 3rd party source was't used (compiled) in the std build anyway |
| [13:18:22] | gbee: | LOC on MythTV is actually going down right now as we refactor and reduce code duplication |
| [13:18:39] | ** laga_ hugs gbee ** | |
| [13:19:09] | ** gbee squirms ** | |
| [13:19:12] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:19:25] | laga_: | heh |
| [13:19:28] | dustybin: | "Why must I be surrounded by frickin' idiots?" – Dr Evil |
| [13:19:38] | justinh: | but anyway, xbmc on the xbox will continue to need teh 1337 t00l5 |
| [13:19:46] | justinh: | and for that, people need slapped |
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| [13:20:21] | justinh: | I remember some people cooing about xbmc at the last LRL I attended. til I pointed out it's built with stolen software |
| [13:20:27] | justinh: | OH |
| [13:20:30] | justinh: | yes. OH indeed |
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| [13:21:08] | laga_: | huh, no recordings scheduled for today? |
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| [13:21:59] | gbee: | all this XBMC bashing would make it seem that we're jealous or in some way resent XBMC, but truth is that we're just bemused |
| [13:22:12] | justinh: | oh noes. not more dress shopping. please no. I'll do the ironing for a month |
| [13:22:45] | justinh: | I resent the way it's hailed as the saviour of firkin media centres but it's built on a foundation of theft |
| [13:23:02] | justinh: | I like what it can do, and even a lot of how it does stuff |
| [13:23:30] | justinh: | it's not jealousy |
| [13:23:33] | laga_: | SOFTCAMS |
| [13:23:35] | laga_: | sorry. |
| [13:24:19] | justinh: | if dvb-c tuners were cheaper in the UK I'd already be a hyprocrite |
| [13:24:38] | laga_: | how much are they? |
| [13:24:49] | laga_: | there was someone who sold them for 45€ here.. |
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| [13:25:14] | justinh: | yeah then there's the hassle of dealing with some German rip-off merchant |
| [13:25:22] | justinh: | had my fingers burnt before |
| [13:25:31] | directhex: | by germans? |
| [13:25:33] | justinh: | me & some guys from work |
| [13:25:36] | directhex: | you were alive during WW2? |
| [13:26:07] | justinh: | "oh yes, I sent the package out but the shipment company said the address does not exist" |
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| [13:26:27] | laga_: | justinh: no, that guy was ok.. some company who sold OEM cards where the CI didn't work. i called them quite often ;) |
| [13:27:09] | justinh: | "ah, so the fact the tracking number you gave me for the package is not known, or in any format the shipping company knows.. that must be a coincidence..." |
| [13:27:31] | justinh: | complained to paypal & they coughed up, but we lost money because of the exchange rate |
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| [13:28:11] | justinh: | the amount of people I know personally who've had issues with international sellers... |
| [13:28:19] | pheld: | offerings and prices of tuners and related equipment is seriously hampered by the network cartels. If you want more/cheaper/better solutions push your MP to support legislation to ban cardpairing and similar activities that obstruct the market. |
| [13:28:45] | justinh: | none of that crap goes on here on a platform I care about using |
| [13:28:49] | justinh: | yet |
| [13:28:52] | laga_: | justinh: yet you order from DX? ;) |
| [13:28:58] | justinh: | just wait til dvb-t2 |
| [13:29:12] | justinh: | laga_: I won't miss £10 |
| [13:29:32] | laga_: | justinh: from what i've heard, DX has very good customer support |
| [13:29:42] | justinh: | £800 for ten boxes... yeah I'd have missed that |
| [13:30:54] | justinh: | even £50 is too much for a tuner that may or may not work. besides, VM bugger up all the tables so you have to resort to naughty software. once you go that far... |
| [13:31:52] | pbj: | Hey Guys – I'm having problems with mythtv – Bougth an Hauppauge HVR-4000 and wanting to add this card to my setup – but found out that there several options patches etc etc for that – Is there made a guide somewhere just for this card and how to add it to mythTV |
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| [13:32:25] | pheld: | I'm using a hvr4000, works fine |
| [13:33:04] | justinh: | is that one of those daft hybrid tuners which does dvb-t dvb-s, dvb-c & kitchen sink? |
| [13:33:10] | pbj: | Well – As I understand it – you'll need to get some different drivers to make it work with 3frontewnds |
| [13:33:21] | pheld: | a recent kernel with a recent copy of the s2api (with drivers) on top works fine |
| [13:34:14] | pheld: | option 1: the old 3.2 API with a patched driver. used to work, but deprecated |
| [13:34:14] | pbj: | Is it possible that you can give me the link – caurse I've tried almost several guides and more – and not having succes yet |
| [13:34:16] | justinh: | I hold no enthusiasm for hybrid cards. only being able to use one part at a time defeats the object somewhat |
| [13:34:50] | pheld: | option 2: multiproto w/patches – deprecated. |
| [13:35:46] | pheld: | option 3: std s2api (s.toth repo). works fine, but has to choose T or S frontend when the module is loaded |
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| [13:36:31] | pheld: | option 3: s2api with multi-frontend. like option 2, but allows switching between S/T |
| [13:36:33] | pbj: | Can you give me a link to how you did the multiproto drivers ???? – Caurse in other forums about this – people talks about patching with special! Not sure if its a special – but running my mythTV on ArchLinux |
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| [13:37:22] | justinh: | argghhhhlinux :( |
| [13:37:40] | directhex: | justinh, for those too cool for gentoo! |
| [13:37:52] | hume: | now I have two problems in my installation (related?). I have installed a backend from scratch on an ubuntu machine, Hauppauge PVR-350 vapture card. Gone through setup of card, source, searching for channels. And set storage groups. Problem 1. Mythweb gets database access denied. I have set passord in /etc/apache2/sitesavailble/mythweb.conf (correct I hope) |
| [13:38:06] | hume: | and 2. The frontend on the same machine cannot show live TV |
| [13:38:13] | pheld: | not exactly sure how far merging has come yet, but S.Toth mentioned on the mailinglist recently that he has asked for the MFE to be pulled into the default v4l-dvb tree |
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| [13:39:11] | hume: | mythfrontend.log gives me this as error: 2008-10–15 15:33:45.564 EntryToProgram(0@tor jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo |
| [13:39:11] | hume: | 2008-10–15 15:33:45.564 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [13:40:16] | pheld: | all of this (s2api, mfe etc) is btw expected to go into linux-kernel 2.6.28 |
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| [13:41:54] | pheld: | pjb: I'm using http://linuxtv.org/hg/~stoth/s2 (no MFE) on top of a 2.6.26.5 kernel |
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| [13:43:02] | bradd: | this is fun |
| [13:43:02] | bradd: | 2008-10–15 09:41:37.978 Time zone settings on the master backend differ from those on this system. |
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| [13:43:07] | bradd: | Master: Zone ID: 'America/New_York', UTC Offset: '-14400', Current Time: '2008-10–15T09:41:37' |
| [13:43:10] | bradd: | Local: Zone ID: 'US/Eastern', UTC Offset: '-14400', Current Time: '2008-10–15T09:41:37' |
| [13:43:12] | pheld: | pjb: the MFE repo at http://linuxtv.org/hg/~stoth/s2-mfe should work just the same |
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| [13:44:22] | pbj: | Jes – those are the latest I'm have downnloadet and installed – not I'm compiling mythtv SVN against it – but earliere I get an error on that one |
| [13:45:05] | pbj: | But thanks guys – Need to go home – end of the day at work! Thanks for the latest input – home and try again |
| [13:46:04] | pheld: | are there any s2api patches available for myth yet? |
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| [13:47:56] | hume: | any ideas what I can check to see why my live tv does not work? |
| [13:48:43] | justinh: | look in the backend log |
| [13:48:50] | justinh: | the new backend's log |
| [13:48:59] | justinh: | frontend logs are useless for such problems |
| [13:51:50] | hume: | ok, got this in the backend log: 2008-10–15 15:26:17.294 Could not open settings file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt for writing |
| [13:51:50] | hume: | 2008-10–15 15:26:17.294 Deleting UPnP client.. |
| [13:52:11] | hume: | checking permissions for /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt gives: |
| [13:52:23] | hume: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv root 21 2008-03–19 09:58 mysql.txt -> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [13:53:39] | hume: | and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt have strange permissions...should be mythtv:root as owners? with write access for both? |
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| [13:56:12] | justinh: | ubuntu |
| [13:57:06] | justinh: | remove the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt symlink if you like |
| [13:58:32] | hume: | remove the symlink? |
| [13:58:57] | hume: | does it not need to read the file mysql.txt? |
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| [13:59:21] | justinh: | did you run mythtv-setup on the slave backend? |
| [13:59:44] | hume: | yes |
| [14:00:23] | hume: | that is, the one I am trying to install |
| [14:01:29] | justinh: | is the slave pointed at the MBE? |
| [14:01:50] | hume: | yes, I typed in the correct ip during setup |
| [14:02:09] | hume: | but I am far from sure I understand how this slave-master connection works |
| [14:02:09] | justinh: | and both ips are different. one is the new backend's lan ip address |
| [14:02:28] | hume: | yes, slave is at 192.168.0.2, master at 192.168.0.20 |
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| [14:03:35] | hume: | but I can see now that I did not set any security pin.... |
| [14:03:46] | simoo: | could someone remind me how to access the backend status page that myth runs? |
| [14:04:30] | justinh: | http://$address:6544 |
| [14:04:54] | simoo: | great thanks |
| [14:05:30] | hume: | these are the last lines of backend.log: 2008-10–15 16:03:42.971 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.0.2 |
| [14:05:30] | hume: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [14:05:30] | hume: | 2008-10–15 16:03:43.070 MediaServer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [14:05:30] | hume: | 2008-10–15 16:03:43.071 mythbackend version: 0.21.20080304–1 www.mythtv.org |
| [14:05:30] | hume: | 2008-10–15 16:03:43.072 Enabled verbose msgs: important general |
| [14:05:32] | hume: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [14:05:34] | hume: | 2008-10–15 16:03:43.112 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting. |
| [14:05:55] | justinh: | !trout hume pastebin |
| [14:05:55] | ** MythLogBot slaps hume with a pastebin trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [14:06:10] | hume: | well....i like trout..:) |
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| [14:06:23] | justinh: | not when it has nails sticking out of it |
| [14:09:09] | hume: | ok....now I killed he backend and re-ran the mythtv-setup. logfile after that is at http://pastebin.ca/1227832 |
| [14:09:34] | hume: | still live tv dies: shows black window and then after 3 secs returns to frontend menu |
| [14:10:07] | hume: | any ideas? should I just start from beginning again? |
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| [14:11:56] | justinh: | log looks good |
| [14:12:22] | justinh: | but something tells me that doesn't cover the time period for attempting to watch tv |
| [14:13:52] | hume: | ok, let med 1. try to watch, 2, immediately after that dump a new log |
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| [14:15:37] | hume: | new log is at http://pastebin.ca/1227836 |
| [14:17:15] | justinh: | failed to bind to port 6543? whoops |
| [14:18:03] | hume: | but that was at 16:03 |
| [14:18:13] | hume: | after that, no such failure reported |
| [14:18:23] | hume: | i restarted the backend at 16:04 |
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| [14:19:41] | hume: | frontend.log, for what that is worth, here: http://pastebin.ca/1227838 |
| [14:20:33] | hume: | what I find strange is the date in the frontend "EntryToProgram(0@tor jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo"...1970??? where did that come from? |
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| [14:28:59] | bradd: | 00:00 jan 1 1970 is the start of unix time |
| [14:32:08] | justinh: | anybody born before that date simply doesn't exist |
| [14:32:43] | gbee: | in otherwords, it passed a null date |
| [14:33:36] | justinh: | blimmin eck. diesel's gone down to £111.9 a litre |
| [14:33:55] | justinh: | petrol under £1 a litre now too |
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| [14:38:58] | directhex: | where? |
| [14:39:04] | directhex: | the headline figure near here is 104.9 |
| [14:39:08] | justinh: | manchester area :) |
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| [14:44:11] | ikonia: | 110.9 by me |
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| [14:44:22] | ikonia: | 104.9 for unleaded |
| [14:45:54] | directhex: | in bath? |
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| [14:46:10] | directhex: | also, ikonia! \o/ |
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| [14:55:34] | uncola: | hello! :) |
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| [15:00:46] | uncola: | I haven't used linux in years |
| [15:00:53] | uncola: | but I just ordered parts for a mini-itx htpc |
| [15:01:14] | uncola: | I was going to run ubuntu on it.. but I'm not sure if something would be better for my needs |
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| [15:02:38] | hume: | now I have done this: completely removed existing mythtv-packages, deleted /etc/mytht, /var/lib/mythtv, and /home/<users>/.mythtv, and reinstalled backend and frontend from scratch. channels are found, and database connections seems to work. BUT: when attempting to watch live TV, the frontend goes black (as if to start showing) for 3 secs, then goes back to the menu. Any ideas? I feel lost? logs posted in a sec |
| [15:03:04] | hume: | backend log: http://pastebin.ca/1227870 |
| [15:03:45] | hume: | frontend log: http://pastebin.ca/1227871 |
| [15:04:06] | hume: | I se a hauppauge pvr-350 capture card, by the way |
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| [15:06:12] | uncola: | hume I have no idea how to help with your problem, but maybe you can help with mine |
| [15:06:19] | hume: | shoot |
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| [15:06:50] | uncola: | I want to setup linux so that it just boots up and lets me browse and watch my .avi file collection |
| [15:06:52] | hume: | one more problem I have: mythweb cannot access database |
| [15:06:58] | uncola: | is mythbuntu something that can do that? |
| [15:07:40] | hume: | you want to boot it into an application where you can browse your avi-films? yes, mythbuntu can do that |
| [15:08:48] | uncola: | I don't want to have a keyboard and mouse plugged in.. can I just use the remote? |
| [15:08:54] | uncola: | or will I have to plug in a keyboard and login every time? |
| [15:10:24] | hume: | uncola, no idea, i dont use a remote – should work, i guess, after you have configured it |
| [15:12:25] | uncola: | you don't use a remote?! you're blowing my mind |
| [15:12:37] | uncola: | I thought every htpc person used a remote |
| [15:13:10] | hume: | i use a great keyboard.... |
| [15:13:24] | hume: | logitech....bigger but much more handy for typing things..;) |
| [15:14:11] | directhex: | mythtv is a poor app for purely browsing avi files |
| [15:14:24] | directhex: | library is cumbersome, and there's a lot of arseache in config |
| [15:15:47] | uncola: | doh |
| [15:15:57] | uncola: | I was going to use Boxee |
| [15:16:17] | uncola: | but I thought maybe mythbuntu would be good because it would already be setup to boot straight into the myth interface with no login |
| [15:16:27] | wagnerrp: | some HTPC people use keyboards, some use remotes |
| [15:16:31] | wagnerrp: | its up to your preference |
| [15:17:00] | wagnerrp: | getting linux to automatically log in and run myth is fairly trivial |
| [15:17:15] | directhex: | uncola, skipping login is not hard |
| [15:17:33] | wagnerrp: | you can do it with the startup scripts, you can do it with tty setup, you can do it with a login manager |
| [15:17:33] | hume: | i have an idea about my problem: i have set a pin code in the backend setup, but I never get to type it in on the frontend – how come? could this be what stops me from watching live TV? |
| [15:18:12] | wagnerrp: | the pin code in the backend setup is merely for autodiscovery |
| [15:18:48] | hume: | ok....any idea then why my Live TV does not work? brand new install |
| [15:18:56] | wagnerrp: | it lets new, unconfigured frontends discover the backend, which tells it how to access the database (and the database subsequently tells it how to access the frontend) |
| [15:19:13] | wagnerrp: | err... backend |
| [15:19:20] | hume: | ok |
| [15:19:30] | wagnerrp: | anyway, its got nothing to do with the long term usage of mythtv |
| [15:19:55] | hume: | so you dont have to type it in? i mean, this is the first time the frontend conncts, its a fresh install |
| [15:20:20] | hume: | fresh install of both back- and frontend on same machine |
| [15:21:10] | wagnerrp: | the first time the frontend connects, if you dont have a 'mysql.txt' or 'config.xml' already in ~/.mythtv, it will search for backends, and if one is found, ask for the pin |
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| [15:21:57] | wagnerrp: | if you ran mythtv-setup under the same username, those files should already exist, removing the need for this process |
| [15:22:34] | hume: | but it does not. I delete both the mysql.txt and config.xml, and then start the frontend – should it not ask for pin then? it does not. it creats a symlink from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and creates a new config.xml |
| [15:23:29] | wagnerrp: | well then theres your issue, it found a config file elsewhere on the system, and again does not need to preform autodiscovery |
| [15:23:48] | hume: | ok... so that's not the problem then... ok |
| [15:24:19] | wagnerrp: | all the upnp thing is for is to let the frontend discover the rest of the mythtv system and generate those config files |
| [15:24:42] | wagnerrp: | if it already has one of those files, there is no need for autodiscovery, since it already has access to the mythtv system |
| [15:24:59] | wagnerrp: | livetv isnt working? is watching pre-recorded content working? |
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| [15:26:03] | hume: | wagnerrp, there are no recordings, it's a brand new install |
| [15:26:33] | wagnerrp: | you said livetv does not work, correct? |
| [15:26:33] | hume: | and mythweb isn't working. earlier I had "cannot access database", now i suddenly have another message there |
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| [15:27:24] | hume: | right, livetv does not work: the window goes black for a few secs, as if to start tv, but then goes back to the menu |
| [15:27:25] | wagnerrp: | mythweb has no autodiscovery, it has no config menu to ask you where the database is |
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| [15:27:34] | wagnerrp: | you have to go into the web directory and define them |
| [15:28:32] | hume: | wagnerrp, yes, i have set the values in /etc/apache2/sitesavailable/mythweb.conf – are there other places I should check? |
| [15:30:02] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is on the same machine as the backend? |
| [15:30:27] | wagnerrp: | check the backend log for reasons as to why livetv isnt working |
| [15:30:38] | hume_: | same physical machine |
| [15:30:52] | hume_: | i posted log at the pastebin earlier |
| [15:31:10] | wagnerrp: | if you set up a recording, does that work or fail as well? |
| [15:31:47] | wagnerrp: | 'same physical machine', does that imply that you are running virtual machines? |
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| [15:36:24] | hume: | wagnerrp, no, no virutal, nothing, just one machine |
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| [15:37:16] | hume: | i try to set a program on recording, by choosing "record this show" (mine is in swedish), but there does not turn up anything in "recorded shows and status is not "recording" |
| [15:39:24] | hume: | but there is somehting strange, the view "recordings" shows films that should not be there |
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| [15:42:33] | justinh: | shows stuff from the master backend.. yes that's intended behaviour |
| [15:43:02] | justinh: | all frontends see all content from all backends as far as TV is concerned |
| [15:43:03] | hume_: | ok....but it says it cannot find the file |
| [15:43:18] | justinh: | are your machine's hostnames different? |
| [15:43:40] | hume_: | i have set the ip-numbers in the myth config |
| [15:43:50] | justinh: | that isn't what I asked |
| [15:43:59] | justinh: | I asked are the machine's hostnames different? |
| [15:44:24] | hume_: | yes, they have two different hostnames |
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| [15:45:54] | hume_: | why? |
| [15:46:29] | wagnerrp: | i thought you said it was all one machine |
| [15:47:34] | hume_: | wagnerrp, i have installed a new backend and a new frontend on one machine, on the same machine. But I also have another backend on the LAN that I set to be the master backend. That one works well. |
| [15:48:20] | justinh: | how do you know when you select 'watch tv' on the new frontend that it's getting stuff from the slave backend? |
| [15:48:23] | justinh: | you don't |
| [15:48:37] | justinh: | it could be failing to get video from the master |
| [15:48:41] | wagnerrp: | it could be pulling from the primary backend |
| [15:48:49] | justinh: | the same goes for recorded TV too |
| [15:49:11] | hume: | ok |
| [15:49:36] | hume: | can I disconnect it from the master backend then, and use as a standalone? |
| [15:49:43] | hume: | fully separate backend? |
| [15:49:51] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
| [15:49:57] | justinh: | it'd need its own database &* mysql server |
| [15:50:15] | hume: | dont know anymore, have been beeting my head over this for six hours now |
| [15:51:19] | hume: | the frontend is set to connect to the backend at 192.168.0.2, that is in very same maching, but as I take it, it might be relaying to the master? |
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| [15:52:13] | hume: | Why then can I not watch live tv, when frontends connected to the master backend works well? and how can I choose the videosource that is on this secondary backend to watch from? |
| [15:52:31] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is never set to connect to a backend of your chosing |
| [15:52:36] | wagnerrp: | everything connects to the master |
| [15:52:56] | hume: | ok |
| [15:53:00] | wagnerrp: | all you can do to force the card on the secondary is increase its priority |
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| [15:54:24] | hume: | the two cards, the one on the master and on the secondary, shows different channels (one analog the other digital) – how can I shift between them, while watching tv on the frontend? |
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| [15:55:10] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use |
| [15:55:56] | laga_: | i think i will read that manual later. |
| [15:56:16] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: how very dare you! :-O |
| [15:56:44] | justinh: | how dare you even hint that the feature wishlist has information which might be of some use |
| [15:57:12] | gbee: | he did? |
| [15:57:20] | iamlindoro_: | I did? |
| [15:57:23] | iamlindoro_: | :) |
| [15:57:27] | justinh: | wiki/wishlist/wiki/wishlist |
| [15:57:35] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [15:58:10] | justinh: | the tide of crap in the wiki is now insurmountable |
| [15:58:34] | justinh: | there are more of them than there are of us |
| [15:58:40] | iamlindoro_: | This is a great argument for keeping anyone who posts to the users list off of the wiki |
| [15:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | I have my five or so pages that I protect, but don't have the energy otherwise |
| [15:59:08] | gbee: | well the feature wishlist exists to keep them off trac |
| [15:59:22] | justinh: | it mostly works :) |
| [15:59:25] | gbee: | some of those plugin ideas are just crazy |
| [15:59:31] | justinh: | only some? lol |
| [15:59:46] | justinh: | and anyway why doesn't mythtv sharpen my pencils for me? |
| [16:00:25] | gbee: | MythCommander – I mean, WTF!? |
| [16:00:32] | justinh: | I have a feature request actually.. for the wiki itself. make it so nobody can talk about you on your own page |
| [16:00:46] | laga_: | iamlindoro_: hum, some things in the user manual still point to 0.20 and earlier :( |
| [16:00:57] | laga_: | iamlindoro_: eg tylerdrake's comment. can't that just be deleted? |
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| [16:01:09] | justinh: | laga_: see that 'edit' linky? ;) |
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| [16:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | laga_: I am sure it could use some updating.... don't get me started or I might do so, to the detriment of my real job :) |
| [16:02:02] | hume: | sorry, I am still quite lost – somthing seems wrong. On this new front + backend, i cannot play recordings that are located at the master backend either |
| [16:02:10] | gbee: | MythDocument (aka MythOffice) – beautiful, the office of the future will be on your TV with a remote |
| [16:02:15] | justinh: | gbee: awww. but sure unraring your leet downloads from your armchair would be a boon... |
| [16:02:30] | hume: | and i cannot play live tv – other frontends can play livetv fron the master backend |
| [16:02:50] | justinh: | hume: how do you know other frontends can't play live tv from the slave backend? |
| [16:02:56] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: That particular feature request is the most indefensible of them all |
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| [16:03:22] | laga_: | iamlindoro_: you could just sleep less ;) |
| [16:03:29] | hume: | justinh, the channels that the slave backend provides are not available in the frontend I am looking at now |
| [16:03:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: well if mythtv just played goddamn rar files in the first place without being so sucky. ggrrr ;) |
| [16:03:36] | iamlindoro_: | laga_: haha |
| [16:03:42] | hume: | looking in the program guide |
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| [16:03:53] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like your slave backend is misconfigured to me |
| [16:04:19] | hume: | iamlindoro, to me as well.... just needs to know how and where – it's a brand new installation |
| [16:04:43] | justinh: | "A plugin to add search terms to the Azureus RSS Import plugin." :O |
| [16:04:46] | gbee: | half of those plugin ideas are duplicates of each other and of the other half, some don't belong as plugins but additional features of existing plugins/mythfrontend |
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| [16:05:19] | justinh: | gbee: I find it far less destroying of motivation to avoid looking at any of that stuff |
| [16:05:29] | hume: | this is the backend.log: http://pastebin.ca/1227923 |
| [16:05:54] | justinh: | reading the wish lists only makes me want to drown small animals |
| [16:06:24] | justinh: | but then I guess if people got the impression the wiki was just a /dev/null channel... |
| [16:06:39] | dustybin: | my frontend is still working solid, sister and her boyfriend use it all the time :) |
| [16:07:12] | hume: | iamlindoro, any idea what I should check in my setup? |
| [16:07:33] | justinh: | sod it. I've never known what's so wrong about shooing requests away. so what if $project lick everybody's ass who goes to them with a lame idea? |
| [16:08:08] | hume: | frontend log here: http://pastebin.ca/1227926 |
| [16:08:22] | justinh: | mythapplication. somebody never heard of the exec menu xml option then |
| [16:10:43] | justinh: | pff. has watching tv become such a passive act that people now want to layer stuff all over the shows they watch & multitask? if it's not worth watching properly why bother? |
| [16:14:37] | Anduin: | hume: the master backend log should help as well |
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| [16:16:17] | gbee: | justinh: mythblog you mean? :P |
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| [16:16:26] | justinh: | gbee: yeah |
| [16:16:30] | gbee: | that guy needs to get himself a laptop |
| [16:16:57] | justinh: | tv is not wallpaper. maybe that's why I'm always so disappointed by it |
| [16:17:03] | hume_: | here is some backend log from the master backend: http://pastebin.ca/1227935 |
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| [16:17:43] | justinh: | I kind of expect to be held in rapture & informed or entertained, not put it on the background while I do other stuff. that's what porn is for |
| [16:18:38] | dustybin: | It's fricken freezing in here Mr Bigglesworth! |
| [16:18:41] | gbee: | realtime blogging sounds pretty damn pathetic – I suppose people also want to read other peoples blog comments in realtime too |
| [16:18:45] | justinh: | gbee: ooo menu wrapping. nice :) |
| [16:19:04] | justinh: | realtime multiple blog feed aggregator |
| [16:19:17] | gbee: | dustybin: yes Ginger, turn up the heating |
| [16:19:24] | dustybin: | :P |
| [16:19:26] | justinh: | web2.0 – for when life1.0 just isn't possible |
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| [16:21:43] | laga_: | gbee: realtime blogging? ever heard of twitter? :) |
| [16:22:09] | justinh: | tw*tter |
| [16:22:46] | hume_: | Anduin, any ideas? |
| [16:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | One thing that *would* be kinda neat would be adding twitter so that it could be popped of from the OSD, ie "watching Knigh Rider. This sucks." |
| [16:23:10] | Anduin: | hume_: looking |
| [16:23:11] | gbee: | guess Soap Operas are passing out of fashion in favour of knowing what everyone else is doing with their days |
| [16:23:27] | hume_: | Anduin, I really appreciate it |
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| [16:32:55] | Anduin: | hume_: I'd run it again with -v most, it is usually host to IP related though I don't see it trying to record in your logs. |
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| [16:38:28] | hume_: | Anduin, run what? |
| [16:39:12] | hume_: | Anduin, you mean run the slave backend with '-v most' as option? |
| [16:39:58] | Anduin: | hume_: it just ups the verbosity (you don't seem to be seeing even general messages), the empty "" for IPs usually means the hostname map in settings is wrong either for MBE/SBE and/or a card associated with a host doesn't map |
| [16:40:22] | Anduin: | hume_: ideally all with -v most, but just the frontend should be revealing |
| [16:41:18] | hume_: | Anduin, ok. But I run the backend via /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend [start, stop]. Should I stop that and run manually /usr/bin/mythtv-backend -v most instead? |
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| [16:41:48] | Anduin: | hume_: sure or edit whichever file lets you add startup params to the init script |
| [16:42:04] | Anduin: | (just make sure you run it as the same user the script would) |
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| [17:06:40] | justdave: | so I tried to add a slave backend to help with job queue processing on my system yesterday... |
| [17:06:44] | justdave: | commflag jobs seem to work fine |
| [17:06:49] | justdave: | transcode jobs are all failing with "couldn't stat "myth://192.168.1.235:6543/1063_20081009133000.nuv": No such file or directory" or similar |
| [17:07:02] | justdave: | am I missing something in the slave config? or anyone have any ideas what to troubleshoot? |
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| [17:18:45] | hume: | Anduin, i realize that i might have set the frontend up incorrecly: in starting it first time, it finds the master backend and suggest that I connect to that. But I have choosen "manual configuration" instead and set it to connect to the slave backend, in the same physical machine as the frontend. Is this wrong? |
| [17:20:19] | Anduin: | hume: Yes, things that should prefer the local backend will (like recording card choice) |
| [17:22:55] | clev: | justdave: you need to mount the storage dir thru something like nfs, mythtranscode cant stream the files on its own |
| [17:23:08] | Anduin: | justdave: mythtranscode needs to run locally, or have local access |
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| [17:23:55] | justdave: | hmmm, okay... I thought it was nfs mounted already because MythVideo seems to work. :) |
| [17:24:08] | Anduin: | different directories |
| [17:24:12] | justdave: | bet it's got a path mismatch or something |
| [17:24:12] | Anduin: | (probably) |
| [17:25:22] | justdave: | ah, yep, you're right. The livetv stuff appears to be getting dumped directly in /var/lib/mythtv (eww) which is definitely outside of the nfs export |
| [17:25:28] | hume: | Anduin, how do you mean? should I connect the frontend to the master or to the slave (same machine as frontend)? |
| [17:25:43] | justdave: | do I need to change paths in the database anywhere other than the recordings table if I move the existing files? |
| [17:26:41] | Anduin: | hume: I don't think the UPnP stuff lets you do what you said, but yes, there is a single master, all frontends should connect to it, the slave records and handles file transfers (the frontend will attempt to connect directly to the slave) |
| [17:28:00] | justdave: | hmm, not enough disk space on the other partition to move them all |
| [17:28:18] | justdave: | guess I'll just make sure it's putting new stuff there and let autoexpire deal with the other :) |
| [17:28:56] | hume: | Anduin, ok |
| [17:30:36] | Anduin: | hume: if you run mythtv-setup on each backend, they should have a unique local backend IP, and you will notice that if you change the master IP then check it on the other (restarting mythtv-setup) you will see it change. |
| [17:32:26] | hume: | see the ip for master backend change, in myth-setup on the slave backends? |
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| [17:34:34] | kekko: | hi |
| [17:34:36] | kekko: | :) |
| [17:35:26] | Anduin: | hume: Yes, there is only one, just a way to prove it. The "Local" backend is the one that changes, when the local matches the master, well, it is the master. |
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| [17:37:03] | sutula: | justdave: Someone else can correct me if I misspeak, but in my experience, if the file is anywhere in the current list of directories, it will be found, so you are free to move the file without changing the database |
| [17:38:23] | kormoc: | if by directories you mean the ones in the same storage group, correct |
| [17:38:53] | justdave: | I appear to not have any storage groups defined at all yet, somehow |
| [17:38:55] | sutula: | that's what I was meaning, but not sure what justdave needed |
| [17:39:04] | justdave: | so if I create one I'll have to add in the existing path I assume |
| [17:39:20] | justdave: | that's probably just a default or something |
| [17:39:46] | sutula: | Maybe create storage groups and remove the paths? |
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| [17:45:17] | hume: | does it matter where livetv is stored? I mean, there is a folder created by the setup for recordings – so I created one myself for livetv – is this stupid or does it not matter as long as the path is right in storage groups? |
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| [17:47:41] | Anduin: | hume: some people like to separate it, for general use, no it doesn't make a difference |
| [17:48:17] | clev: | you could set asside a 'small' 50gig partition for livetv to keep it from overflowing other shows |
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| [17:50:58] | Anduin: | with them chaining now and being expired early, overflow shouldn't be a bit problem |
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| [17:52:46] | clev: | Anduin: ive had problems lately where the local(non nfs) storage group got a weight of -11 |
| [17:52:57] | clev: | and so it continued to record, even when it had 40mb free |
| [17:52:58] | justinh: | clev: you would |
| [17:53:21] | clev: | justinh: its a flaw in the code |
| [17:53:36] | justinh: | you're our 'guy doing extremely edgey stuff' case ;) |
| [17:53:53] | clev: | ive discovered a ticket of somebody wiht my xv problem:P |
| [17:53:57] | clev: | IM NOT ALONE! |
| [17:54:41] | ** Anduin bets on it probably being on some complicated MFM raid ** | |
| [17:55:04] | clev: | Anduin: my setup has 5 seperate filesystems |
| [17:55:18] | clev: | now why the hell would mythtv record to the one with 40mb free |
| [17:55:24] | clev: | when it has 4 of them over 5gig |
| [17:55:45] | clev: | answer, because the weights in the storage group code said the local fs would be 'faster' |
| [17:55:50] | justinh: | maybe the priority weighting needs a tweak |
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| [17:56:13] | justinh: | you mustn't take my comment as a _bad_ thing clev |
| [17:56:17] | clev: | justinh: i tweaked the code so it will weight things properly to begin with |
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| [17:56:35] | clev: | if a filesystem is <7gig free, the weight gets a +30 kick |
| [17:56:51] | justinh: | eeking out edge case bugs is good for everyone in the long run |
| [17:56:57] | clev: | yeah |
| [17:57:11] | clev: | it also leads to people not helping me fix them because 'its all my fault' :P |
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| [17:57:43] | justinh: | well, as crazy as some of your stuff is, you're not thick & that's what counts |
| [17:57:46] | Anduin: | not being on so many peoples ignore list would maybe help that |
| [17:57:50] | clev: | i need to figure out how to fetch the 'min' space for the autoexpirer before my patch is done |
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| [17:58:09] | clev: | hard coding it to 7gig wont work right |
| [17:58:32] | clev: | one of the other problems it causes, it will keep recording to drive A and expiring the recent stuff |
| [17:58:43] | clev: | while ignoring 500gig of old crap on drive B that can be expired |
| [17:59:06] | clev: | i need to set the '7gig' just above the autoexpire limit |
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| [17:59:52] | RyeBrye: | Anyone ever read the fine print that Intel attaches to their case badges? |
| [18:00:30] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:00:35] | RyeBrye: | I was about to put one on my new mythbox (hidden behind the front flip-down panel, so I coudl keep it a bit classy – but still show it's got a C2Q in there).... They have a funny EULA on their sticker |
| [18:00:45] | clev: | they have legal rights to view all porn that passes thru the system? |
| [18:01:43] | justinh: | thou shalt not affix this self-adhesive badgement to a computer system running linux? |
| [18:01:50] | clev: | lol:) |
| [18:02:05] | kormoc: | justinh, Intel likes linux |
| [18:02:09] | RyeBrye: | No... more like "Thou shalt not use this sticker unless you have signed an agreement with Intel" |
| [18:02:37] | justinh: | yay somebody likes linux! |
| [18:03:10] | Anduin: | RyeBrye: they probably mean for OEMs and advertisement |
| [18:03:11] | RyeBrye: | "USE OF THE ENCLOSED INTEL INSIDE LOGO LABEL IS UNAUTHORIZED AND CONSTITUTES INFRINGEMENT OF INTEL'S EXCLUSIVE TRADEMARK RIGHTS UNLESS YOU HAVE SIGNED THE INTEL INSIDE LOGO TRADEMARK LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT..." |
| [18:03:14] | hume: | Anduin, so, now I have configured the frontend to connect to the master backend (instead of the slave in the same machine as the frontend) and I can watch live TV there. BUT the channels provided by the slave backend – how do I access them? |
| [18:03:29] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I presume that's who they mean – I hope they don't sue me! ;) |
| [18:04:18] | Anduin: | hume: it should have preferred the local card, can you switch card/input to it? |
| [18:04:22] | justinh: | and every time you say 'Intel' you have to play their jingle |
| [18:04:46] | RyeBrye: | Yes – and every time you power on the machine you must rub the logo |
| [18:04:53] | clev: | justinh: and every time you play it, you have to pay royaltys |
| [18:05:04] | hume: | Anduin, how do I switch that? from the frontend....? |
| [18:05:31] | Anduin: | hume: m will bring up a menu (easiest to switch where you want rather than cycle) |
| [18:06:06] | RyeBrye: | back to myth topics... keeping a PVR-500 in an old be / fe and turning it into a slave backend has no advantage over taking out the PVR-500 and putting it in my new backend and makign the old machine a straight frontend, does it? |
| [18:06:45] | RyeBrye: | I can only think of possible heat dissipation – but the PVR 500 doesn't put out much heat that I would care about, and my new beast of a backend / frontend can fit it with ease... |
| [18:06:57] | Anduin: | RyeBrye: if you lose the backend entirely you lose a potential job runner, but other than that |
| [18:07:13] | RyeBrye: | Well... I suppose I could keep it as a slave backend with no tuners |
| [18:07:16] | clev: | i run mythbackend on every frontend, just for the job runners |
| [18:07:17] | RyeBrye: | but it's a P4 1.8 Ghz |
| [18:07:35] | RyeBrye: | and my new backend is a Core2 Quad running at 3.6 Ghz |
| [18:07:59] | RyeBrye: | I suppose I could have the crappy old one do comflagging on SD stuff |
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| [18:09:12] | clev: | i have one of my slower systems set to only run flag jobs |
| [18:09:12] | clev: | so when the whole network gets clogged with a flood of transcodes, the flagging can still leak thru |
| [18:09:12] | clev: | every day at midnight, all the deferer transcodes wake up, and claim every mythbackend that can run a job |
| [18:09:14] | RyeBrye: | Throwing the fact that my network link to the slave backend will likely be ab 802.11g link – it probably makes more sense to put the tuner card in the master backend than it would to try to send 2 SD recordings from a PVR-500 to the backend over the wireless, correct? |
| [18:09:39] | RyeBrye: | clev – what kind of transcoding do you do on a regular basis? |
| [18:09:40] | clev: | RyeBrye: sending recordings over wifi could be a problem |
| [18:09:56] | clev: | i have EVERRYTHING transcode to 50% of its size after 24 hours |
| [18:10:04] | hume: | Anduin, m during livetv brings up a menu – but how do I change card/backend there? options are program guide, previous channel, changing sound track etc |
| [18:10:06] | justinh: | could be / _is_ in my house |
| [18:10:32] | clev: | my drives are at 99% 96% 69% 95% and 92% |
| [18:10:34] | justinh: | Y changes sources IIRC |
| [18:10:45] | RyeBrye: | clev – what size drives? |
| [18:10:58] | clev: | RyeBrye: 536gig 138gig 15gig 76gig 74gig |
| [18:11:35] | Anduin: | hume: You should see a switch input and switch source option (assuming you have one) |
| [18:11:54] | hume: | Anduin, in the menu during tvplay? |
| [18:11:54] | Anduin: | hume: y and c do them (or close to that) |
| [18:12:21] | RyeBrye: | I think I'll clear off all of the drives on my old backend machine and rip all my sons DVDs to it and then mount it as an NFS on the big one – I'll have that one upstairs where he watches TV most of the time and having all the movies in a non-destructable format that is instantly accessible would be good |
| [18:12:23] | Anduin: | hume: Yes (I admit to only using Live TV to test encoder settings though) |
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| [18:14:13] | RyeBrye: | Recordings of TV shows always get stored by the master backend, correct? (and if you wanted to store it on a different machine, you have to use NFS shares that are loaded on the master backend to do that) |
| [18:14:44] | hume: | Anduin, well...there seems to be more stuff that are wrong here now...guess I have lost myself in removing, re-installing etc....right now the slave backend seems not to be configured. Shoudl the ip there be "localhost" or the NIC, that is 192.168.0.2? does that matter? if frontends are connected to master and not this slave....? |
| [18:14:46] | clev: | RyeBrye: the backend that records will pick a storage group from those listed for its host, and then record to the 'best' one |
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| [18:15:01] | RyeBrye: | And it's host is the master backend, right? |
| [18:15:15] | clev: | its host would be the host thats recording |
| [18:15:24] | Anduin: | hume: it does matter, it should be the externally accessible IP (external to the box) |
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| [18:15:40] | hume: | Anduin, ok |
| [18:15:41] | clev: | RyeBrye: when my master does a recording, it uses the directorys listed for itself |
| [18:15:57] | clev: | RyeBrye: and when my slave does a recording, it uses the directorys listed for itself! |
| [18:15:58] | RyeBrye: | When your slave does a recording, it stores it to its local drive? |
| [18:16:20] | clev: | my slave has every storage group listed, so it can record to any of them |
| [18:16:53] | hume: | Anduin, in File Management settings, should "override master recording server" (or master backend, mine is in swedish) be ticked or not? |
| [18:17:19] | Anduin: | hume: You only need to tick it if you a) mess things up b) have a slave that doesn't run all the time |
| [18:17:38] | hume: | ok, this slave won't run all the time |
| [18:17:55] | clev: | RyeBrye: but mythbackend will prefer local storage groups over remote ones, to the point of running it into the ground |
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| [18:31:31] | hume: | clev, how does the slave access the storage groups on other machines? nfs? |
| [18:31:55] | fryfrog: | hume: nfs or myth protocol if it isn't mounted locally |
| [18:31:58] | fryfrog: | (via nfs/smb/etc) |
| [18:32:13] | hume: | myth protocol? |
| [18:32:39] | fryfrog: | myth frontends can stream from backends |
| [18:32:39] | clev: | some type of network mount(nfs i perfer) is needed for writing |
| [18:32:44] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [18:32:52] | fryfrog: | sorry, you said backend slave blah blah |
| [18:32:53] | clev: | but mythtv can stream things on its own for reading |
| [18:32:59] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think you'd be mounting the storage dirs via nfs |
| [18:33:22] | clev: | ive mounted them thru cifs before also, but its not the best idea |
| [18:33:48] | gbee: | cifs is evil |
| [18:33:58] | clev: | nfsd wasnt running, so i assumed it wasnt installed |
| [18:34:00] | gbee: | and I don't say that lightly |
| [18:34:02] | fryfrog: | except if you are dealing with windows :) |
| [18:34:05] | clev: | turns out it only starts when exports lists something |
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| [18:35:59] | Ace2016: | Anyone know how good support for PINNACLE PCTV Dual Hybrid Pro PCIe 3010iX is? |
| [18:38:43] | fryfrog: | what does google say about linux support for it? |
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| [18:40:34] | Ace2016: | well the stuff i find is outdated and it says development is under way, i think it started last christmas |
| [18:41:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ace2016: and/or http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware |
| [18:44:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ace2016: go to List of vendors, then Pinnacle, then this card — page is from Feb 2008 – says "It is currently not supported under Linux." — I'd say follow-up with the linuxtv group for an update. |
| [18:44:36] | justinh: | search their mailing list archives |
| [18:44:48] | justinh: | though it'd be nicer if they had a better way to do that |
| [18:45:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Or just buy a HDHomerun... ;-) (if you're in the US...) |
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| [18:48:02] | Ace2016: | i think i found the driver |
| [18:49:26] | Ace2016: | na its for the older version |
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| [19:07:13] | hednod: | hey, what do you know. mythtranscode has been running for 12 hours and successfully wiped away ALL recorded videos by using all the available disk space. |
| [19:07:20] | ** hednod grumbles ** | |
| [19:07:49] | hednod: | 14 gigs of media (all transcoded to m4a) |
| [19:08:13] | justinh: | heh |
| [19:08:34] | justinh: | give a man enough rope... |
| [19:08:49] | hednod: | once in a while transcode seems to do that. use up more space than the recorded video actually took when transcoding. |
| [19:09:05] | iamlindoro_: | Will Rogers! |
| [19:09:09] | hednod: | you'd think mythtv would be smart enough to go "wait.. not enough space... stop! stop!" |
| [19:09:24] | hednod: | instead it wipes all videos, then sits there... grinding with 0% free space |
| [19:09:28] | hednod: | forever |
| [19:09:31] | hednod: | (until killed) |
| [19:10:22] | justinh: | you;d think that a smatterring of users weren't file squirrels who want to keep every last second of recorded media but hey... ;) |
| [19:10:42] | hednod: | oh no, i only had.. 4? 5? things recorded. all over the last week. |
| [19:10:47] | hednod: | now I have none |
| [19:11:34] | hume: | now in mythweb, the channels from my slave are visible as well as the channels from the master – but I would like them sorted the other way: on top: from master, lower down: slave. Is there a way to manage this, the ordering they are shown in mythweb? |
| [19:11:50] | hednod: | i'm going to have to change the default to always keep and manually delete things because I cannot trust mythtvtranscode to run away on me. |
| [19:12:07] | hednod: | er to NOT run away on me |
| [19:12:29] | iamlindoro_: | No, you cannot change the order (aside from renumbering them) |
| [19:13:17] | hume: | iamlindoro, can I freely change the channel number (they seem to be ordered by them)? or are these numbers connected to something (xmltv or...)? |
| [19:13:52] | iamlindoro_: | XMLTV uses XMLTVids |
| [19:14:30] | hume: | so channel numbers are only for me, free to play with? wanna be absolutely sure |
| [19:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, you can change the channum field. |
| [19:15:22] | hume: | thanks |
| [19:23:41] | justinh: | hednod: from my experience of mythtranscode I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. or any other transcoder |
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| [19:29:21] | ** gbee wonders what mythtranscode did to justin ** | |
| [19:29:42] | fryfrog: | lets just say his mother is with child again :/ |
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| [19:55:06] | justinh: | what I meant is, until you've got a lot of transcoding experience under your belt you can't rely on it producing the expected output. it takes a fair bit of experimentation to find settings that work well for you. experimentation I can't be bothered with |
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| [19:55:53] | justinh: | fwiw, more storage is the way to go if you want to keep more stuff |
| [19:56:08] | justinh: | unless you want to spend a lot of time playing with settings |
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| [20:03:04] | justinh: | the 'lossless' transcodes I've done have always been ok though, so for that it gets a star |
| [20:03:36] | justinh: | as far as the rest goes, without digging more deeply into it there's just not enough quality to justify the scant disk space saving |
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| [20:16:34] | k-man_: | what does sticky keys do? |
| [20:16:53] | iamlindoro_: | Reminds you not to watch porn while holding the remote |
| [20:17:44] | k-man_: | and anything else? |
| [20:18:45] | k-man_: | nevermind, i worked it out |
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| [20:20:36] | wagnerrp: | i love when people improperly use ports |
| [20:21:02] | wagnerrp: | i spent 20 minutes figuring out why i have a program connecting to an encrypted ftp |
| [20:21:23] | justinh: | you could always just read the associated help text onscreen (re sticky keys) |
| [20:21:26] | wagnerrp: | turns out its just bittorrent, with someone running it over ftp |
| [20:21:52] | justinh: | wagnerrp: maybe for ISPs who don't traffic shape based on protocols ;) |
| [20:22:14] | wagnerrp: | typically ISPs who do that block you from hosting your own FTP |
| [20:22:14] | justinh: | and surprise surprise. the gadget show was a load of tosh again |
| [20:22:15] | Ace2016: | lots of people do that, they've read in forums about how to get around isp throttling |
| [20:22:40] | Ace2016: | but they do have lots of cool stuff to give away |
| [20:22:47] | justinh: | they tested 3 MCE machines this week.. and an MCE machine one |
| [20:23:06] | justinh: | though it was said that it lacked the features that even the most basic freeview pvr has. ha |
| [20:23:15] | justinh: | s/one/won |
| [20:23:49] | justinh: | Ace2016: give away. lol. £1.50 per text message. yeah that's giving it away |
| [20:25:21] | justinh: | oo they've got a slingbox up for grabs this week. wonder if there are any youtube videos of one being run over |
| [20:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | /blending |
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| [21:34:16] | gbee: | watched part of that episode, thought all three machines looked awful |
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| [22:03:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Send the slingbox to the 'will it blend' folks... ;-) |
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| [22:07:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: I know the're basically just adverts for their blender, but I've spent a couple of hours laughing at their videos... http://www.willitblend.com/ |
| [22:08:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know who theyre selling to |
| [22:08:42] | wagnerrp: | the consumer shouldnt need that kind of power |
| [22:08:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work just realized what time it is... ;-) time to go home! ;-) ** | |
| [22:08:54] | wagnerrp: | the industrial/commercial user should want something bigger/stronger |
| [22:09:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Check out the iPhone, golf balls, etc... pretty funny actually... ;-) |
| [22:09:53] | wagnerrp: | unless youre planning on grinding up people, bones and all, what is the home user going to do with something like tyhat |
| [22:10:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I think the point is that it's going to last longer because it's built better, etc. Just like a good old-fasioned American V8 is going to loast longer than most 4-bangers... More power than is really needed for everyday driving... ;-) |
| [22:11:19] | laga_: | overkill is awesome sometimes ;) |
| [22:11:30] | wagnerrp: | the old fashioned v8 is going to break down and fail |
| [22:11:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: hehe... Now there's an idea, get rid of the evidence... |
| [22:11:54] | wagnerrp: | the difference is it uses a mechanical carborator, rather than EFI, and can be maintained by the average consumer |
| [22:12:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Perhaps, but my 1996 GMC Yukon with a 350 v8 broke down around the engine... 214,000 miles... |
| [22:12:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: ^^ has EFI... ;-) Ran like a top. |
| [22:12:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work loves overkill... ;-) ** | |
| [22:13:46] | wagnerrp: | old-fashioned means a carburetor |
| [22:13:58] | wagnerrp: | your EFI yukon has to be considered at least semi-modern |
| [22:14:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I've got one of those too... 1973 Chevelle. ;-) |
| [22:15:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Holly 650, Headers, Aluminum intake, etc... ;-) Varoom... I've done 140MPh in it a half dozen times or so... ;-) |
| [22:15:24] | wagnerrp: | 650ci? |
| [22:15:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (but don't tell your police friends!!! That's been on the open highway, not a track...) |
| [22:15:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | 650cfm carb. 350CI motor. |
| [22:15:43] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [22:16:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | My stupid Yukon, and my newer 2001 Tahoe have govenors that kick in at 100... :-( |
| [22:16:30] | jarle: | is it possible to configure the size of the PiP "window"? I find it to be a bit to big... |
| [22:16:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont think i would want to go 100 in either of those vehicles |
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| [22:17:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: My Yukon drove like a car... (a big one, but nonetheless, it didn't drive like a typical truck.) My Tahoe is a little bit 'looser', but still very car-like. |
| [22:18:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I had an S-10 blazer years ago that drove like a go-cart though... all over the friggin' road... didn't like to go 80 in that thing... |
| [22:18:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jarle: I'm not sure, don't use PIP myself. Maybe check the wiki on mythtv.org if nobody else knows... |
| [22:19:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Anyways, time to head home... ;-) ttyl... |
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| [22:25:36] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I'm well aware of willitblend.com |
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| [22:35:07] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Nobody will judge you for loving the Teletubbies |
| [22:35:15] | kormoc: | justinh, http://ssiworld.com/watch/watch-en.htm |
| [22:37:16] | daddysmurf: | does myth require a window manager or can I run it directly on x? |
| [22:37:52] | clev: | daddysmurf: mythfrontend will function without a WM but you will run into trouble if you ever start a 2nd x11 program |
| [22:38:06] | clev: | (which mythvideo will do when not using the internal player) |
| [22:38:36] | daddysmurf: | clev: I'm going to have to compile X to run this thing, this box is just a file server/low-end web server atm |
| [22:38:55] | clev: | ahh, if its just a server then you dont realy even need X |
| [22:39:06] | clev: | you could run the programs thru X11 forwarding |
| [22:39:20] | clev: | but i think you need to compile X anyway to make X clients:( |
| [22:39:41] | daddysmurf: | well it's right beside the new tv, and I figured it'd make it easier to watch all the movies on the server |
| [22:40:08] | clev: | ahh:) |
| [22:40:11] | daddysmurf: | I'm gonna run front end and backend on the same machine and hope to hell it doesn't break apache or zope |
| [22:40:18] | clev: | lol:) |
| [22:40:25] | clev: | sounds like what happened with my 1st backend |
| [22:40:37] | clev: | i just shoved the bttv capture card into a server and started playing wiht it |
| [22:41:17] | daddysmurf: | I don't even have a capture card yet... but I was looking at hacking an xbox to basically do the same thing when I stumbled across it in the gentoo wiki |
| [22:41:41] | daddysmurf: | for that matter, I don't have a vga cable... I will be aquiring that this weekend |
| [22:41:55] | clev: | lol |
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| [22:44:09] | daddysmurf: | what effect good or bad would modular x have on front end? (I'm trying to be cheap and still make it work w/o the woman asking me 100000 questions) |
| [22:44:25] | clev: | dont know |
| [22:44:27] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [22:44:33] | clev: | its been months since i compiled an X server |
| [22:44:44] | fryfrog: | why would you *compile* x? |
| [22:44:47] | justinh: | x doesn't cost more if you have more stuff in it |
| [22:44:48] | daddysmurf: | gentoo |
| [22:44:48] | fryfrog: | unless you are on gentoo :p |
| [22:44:54] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [22:45:00] | daddysmurf: | <3 gentoo |
| [22:45:02] | fryfrog: | just suffer through the compile time :) |
| [22:45:10] | clev: | fryfrog: i was on LFS, so everything was manualy compiled |
| [22:45:23] | daddysmurf: | I'm alright w/ the compile time, I won't even see a mouse til sat bare minimum |
| [22:45:33] | justinh: | if you're being that skimpy about a system that you have to worry about how much ram / hdd space X takes up, I'd prolly advise you to forget about mythtv |
| [22:45:42] | daddysmurf: | I was thinking about lfs, but then I thought what's the point of life w/o portage |
| [22:45:57] | clev: | lol |
| [22:46:27] | daddysmurf: | justinh: I was more worried about the effect modular x vs x6 would have on the quality of myth's pretty signal |
| [22:46:29] | mzb_d800: | justinh: further to yesterday's translator issues, my understanding now is that the "rules" used by each country are different (re: frequencies of translators). They are however, all published. AFAICT .au tends to avoid SFN (Single Frequency Networks) ... which I think is what mythtv assumes by taking the frequency from the TS/PS rather than the one it's tuned to. |
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| [22:47:35] | justinh: | daddysmurf: not sure it'll care so long as you have Xv & maybe opengl. Xv is the minimum |
| [22:47:56] | mzb_d800: | bottom line is that I consider this a bug (or a number of combined bugs), resulting in users being unable to use mythtv on translated services |
| [22:48:08] | mzb_d800: | (ie: me;) |
| [22:48:21] | clev: | justinh: ive watched videos without Xv before, but it took a ton more cpu |
| [22:48:22] | justinh: | mzb_d800: quite possibly. open a ticket fer it :) |
| [22:48:24] | mzb_d800: | [[without hacking the database]] |
| [22:49:26] | mzb_d800: | ok. How do I tell if it's been addressed in trunk? |
| [22:50:49] | justinh: | search trac I guess |
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| [22:52:17] | mzb_d800: | ah ... some issues become more obvious ... eg: offset frequencies, and a card's ability to get lock even then ... hmm |
| [22:53:25] | kormoc: | daddysmurf, why would myth care if it's modular X or not? |
| [22:53:42] | daddysmurf: | kormoc: that's what I was asking |
| [22:54:10] | daddysmurf: | software requirements are either vague on the site, or I'm the retard in the dunce cap trying to bite my ear |
| [22:54:10] | kormoc: | daddysmurf, well, you seem to think it might care, and I'm asking why that is |
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| [22:55:19] | daddysmurf: | kormoc: I saw that opengl seems to make a difference to myth, so I Thought modular x may provide some other benefits unseen |
| [22:55:56] | kormoc: | daddysmurf, nope, not a smig. Modular X is just the build style, end result is the same X server |
| [22:56:26] | daddysmurf: | ty |
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| [23:05:29] | mzb_d800: | k, ticket opened |
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| [23:14:08] | darkdrgn2k: | any one ever get a "eHome Infrared Transceiver" usb MCE reciver working |
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| [23:16:44] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmmm wierd.. |
| [23:17:09] | darkdrgn2k: | seems after i press a button on the remote, the receiver red led lights up.. and stays lit |
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| [23:27:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Any flourescent lights in the room? |
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| [23:30:05] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A:nop.. |
| [23:30:29] | darkdrgn2k: | however i did notice this: |
| [23:30:30] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.com/m5de10452 |
| [23:30:35] | darkdrgn2k: | during modprobe |
| [23:31:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Ok, so it's a 'standard' MCE USB2 receiver... |
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| [23:32:16] | darkdrgn2k: | umm.. apperntly..its microsoft certified lol |
| [23:32:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | You don't happen to have a light close to the receiver, shining into it, do you? |
| [23:32:30] | darkdrgn2k: | nop |
| [23:32:35] | darkdrgn2k: | its actualy pritty dark here. |
| [23:33:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... I say that because if I happen to aim my track lights (near my server/desk) in such a way that they light up the front of my sat receivers, channel changes don't work reliably... ;-) |
| [23:33:48] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh well NOTHING works.. |
| [23:34:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: I have two different 'brand' MCE receivers, one HP, one "Microsoft"... Both only light up the red led when transmitting from the remote. |
| [23:34:26] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i have 2 as well.. one from HP one from DELL |
| [23:34:31] | darkdrgn2k: | the both lick up during transmition.. |
| [23:34:38] | darkdrgn2k: | but not constantly. |
| [23:34:40] | darkdrgn2k: | this one is dark |
| [23:34:44] | darkdrgn2k: | when a button is pressed on theremote.. |
| [23:34:49] | darkdrgn2k: | the light turns on and stays on |
| [23:35:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Well, a good way to see if it's the receiver or the software is to swap it with a known good one. If the good one does the same thing (somehow), then it's the receiver (or the remote...) |
| [23:35:42] | justdave: | is there a way to re-queue a failed job, or will that happen automatically periodically? |
| [23:36:15] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: the remote works fine with another mce usb |
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| [23:37:34] | darkdrgn2k: | and dmesg wne using "debug=1" looks suspicious |
| [23:37:35] | darkdrgn2k: | usbcore: registered new driver lirc_mceusb2 |
| [23:37:35] | darkdrgn2k: | lirc_mceusb2[7]: callback called (status=-84 len=0) |
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| [23:39:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: So I guess, the next step is to test with one of your other receivers – and if it works fine, there's a problem with that receiver. If not, then it's a problem with lirc, or perhaps a usb issue? (maybe try a different port?) |
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| [23:46:26] | wolfspirit: | need some help with my high def setup.. I'm using an hd-3000 for my tuner and a 9600gt for my video card and I have a dual core AMD processor with 2 gigs of ram. Everytime I watch live tv or recordings, there are chirping sounds coming from my recordings.. I'm assuming it has something to do with sound sampling or video/audio bandwidth.. anyone have any suggestions on settings to use to fix this? |
| [23:49:24] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: looks like receiver needs a patch in lirc... posted to newsgroup.. |
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| [23:52:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Humm... strange. Well, it's good that it's not the receiver itself then.. ;-) |
| [23:53:26] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: i got 2 of themn. both are the same soo unless i got 2 defective ones lol |
| [23:54:03] | darkdrgn2k: | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003 |
| [23:54:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Oh – I might have mis-understood — di you say you found a post that it needed a post? |
| [23:54:46] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: nop.... didnt find one.. but thats what it seems... |
| [23:54:58] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: posted to the lirc mailing list.. well see |
| [23:55:50] | darkdrgn2k: | lol |
| [23:55:50] | darkdrgn2k: | Message body is too big: 36235 bytes with a limit of 20 KB |
| [23:55:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Humm.. nice looking remote. |
| [23:56:12] | darkdrgn2k: | J-e-f-f-A: receiver is nice and slow to :) and good price |
| [23:56:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: Does it have a backlight? |
| [23:56:18] | darkdrgn2k: | no :( |
| [23:56:31] | darkdrgn2k: | only a stupid little red led at the top.. |
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| [23:56:42] | darkdrgn2k: | kinda like the HP remote... the DELL remote is back lit nicly |
| [23:56:43] | ozymandias2: | Hello, I just installed mythtv on my fedora box using the guide in teh wiki. When I go to setup my capture cards, mythtv-setup hangs and does not load the next screen. Am I missing something? |
| [23:56:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | darkdrgn2k: My 2 M$ ones do have a backlight, my HP remote doesn't. |
| [23:57:09] | darkdrgn2k: | YEH..... and this one has no blasters iether :( |
| [23:59:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm using mine on frontends... (well 1 frontend I have setup currently)... I have a home-made 3-head serial IR blaster/receiver on my backend. |
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