Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, October 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

minimac could work, theres some how-tos for setting those up

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scant:

wagnerrp: yeah

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scant:

wagnerrp: do you have another suggestion for a small frontend only machine(mobo/case) that supports HDMI and HD material?

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scant:

from what I understand only ATI motherboards support audio out via HDMI and that's with a patch...

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wagnerrp:

dont know off hand

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scant:

k

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scant:

if anyone here uses an VIA EPIA with a UniChrome Pro II that has H.264 offload working please speak up

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directhex:

an epia is far, far too little power to do SD

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directhex:

let alone HD

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scant:

directhex: oh

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scant:

directhex: it's just that the XvMC mythtv wiki page discusses VIA UniChrome Pro II H.264 offloading I think

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directhex:

h264 offload with epia works ONLY using via's badly patched mplayer fork

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directhex:

"VeMP"

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scant:

oh

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scant:

I don't think that detail is included in the XvMC mythtv wiki page

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scant:

I just checked it discusses it a little bit

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scant:

but it kinda makes it out to seem like MythTV supports H.264 XvMC offloading with Via Unichrome Pro II's

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roz:

I have my DVB card working now. The channels available are like 105-, 107–1, and 108–1. Those channels do not come across schedules direct as such

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roz:

How can i set it up correctly?

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roz:

They are the -DT versions of my locals, and I get the line-ups for them from Schedules Direct, just on different channels

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scant:

roz: I think, one way is to use the mythweb channel editor to manually enter the XMLID's, but that may be incorrect, and there may be another more reliable way

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scant:

opps, XMLTVIDs

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roz:

i have mythweb installed.... whats the URL?

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roz:

i've never gone to it

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scant:

like mythtv i think

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scant:

errr

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xris:

it's unders settings

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roz:

i'm pulling up just a normal apache install page

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scant:

whatever the name of your myth backend box is

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roz:

yep

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roz:

I'm there. just getting the apache page ... just don't know what directory it might lie in

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scant:

dunno, sorry

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roz:

found it now I am getting internal server error lol

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roz:

gah php not working

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scant:

for me, my HD listings are working, but no XMLTVIDs are attached to my HD channels in the mythweb channel editor, I don't know how it's working, maybe it's EIT, but I don't think that's why

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roz:

ok thanks

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perilousapricot:

has anyone gotten mymote to work on their iphone/ipod touch?

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tmiw_:

scant: the amp worked, at least on the analog side

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tmiw_:

azap seems to show no signal degradation for HD

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tmiw_:

but I'm going to reconfigure mythtv from scratch and record something as a definitive test

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Der_Thomas:

hi all, I just bought a Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i) and can't seem to get anything working – anyone around who can help?

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Der_Thomas:

I'm running latest released myth on opensuse 11.0 and also have a PVR-150

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mchou:

tmiw_: glad to hear the amp works for ya

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Der_Thomas:

when I run dvbscan I get an error:

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: you buy from woot? :)

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Der_Thomas:

yup woot

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wagnerrp:

about two and a half weeks ago...

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Der_Thomas:

dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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Der_Thomas:

Unable to query frontend status

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: hehe, mine works GREAT

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Der_Thomas:

yup

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Der_Thomas:

awesome, then I just have to figure out WTF I'm doing

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wagnerrp:

i was just going through the blog, to see how long ago it was up

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: that's not the way to use dvbscan

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Der_Thomas:

ah

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I've read a bunch of tutorials and they all seem to say different astuff

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Der_Thomas:

I'm getting more confused

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: copy the table to ~/.azaf/channels.conf

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: then azap -r <channel>

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Der_Thomas:

copy /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 to ~/.azaf/channels.conf?

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mchou:

stop azap (Ctrl-C)

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: yes

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mchou:

then use 'dvbscan -c'

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mchou:

basically the sequence of steps are 1. Tune to channel using azap. 2. scan for services on that frequency using dvbscn

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mchou:

dvbscan*

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Der_Thomas:

ok dumb Q, do I just start with channel 2 and keep going up?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: where you live?

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Der_Thomas:

US – NY

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Der_Thomas:

Time Warner Cable

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mchou:

go here and enter your zip: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: so go down to where the qam channels start

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pac1:

where can I find the Schedules direct cached file?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: you see the second column of numbers? That's the 'channel' you use for azap

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Der_Thomas:

mchou – the "Program" column?

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scant:

tmiw: hey

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scant:

tmiw: your digital drop outs are fixed?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: no, the 'Channel' column

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Der_Thomas:

mchou – ok

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tmiw_:

scant: possibly. i at least get analog now

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tmiw_:

scant: i'm scanning for channels now (mythtv-setup keeps crashing when i tell it to import channels.conf)

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Der_Thomas:

getting an error: http://pastebin.com/m3485f294

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scant:

tmiw_: is your channels.conf malformed?

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scant:

tmiw_: which amp did you get?

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tmiw_:

scant: shouldn't be

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tmiw_:

scant: I got the bidirectional one radioshack sells

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scant:

this one? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

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tmiw_:

scant: yes

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: dude, you need to 'massage' the data in .azap/channels.conf

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: it wont work as is

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Der_Thomas:

oh

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Der_Thomas:

i see

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: use awk and grep

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, I feel like I'm missing something here, how do I need to massage the file? What do I need to put in it?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: http://pastebin.com/d6ba65cc5

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: just copy that to .azap/channels.conf

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: you won't get spoonfed again

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scant:

can anyone tell me why mythweb channel setup has no XMLTVIDs attached to digital channels, but I still have guide data? is it EIT? it seems like there's too much detail for too long of a time period for it to be EIT

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tmiw_:

so moral of the story: too many splitters is a bad thing

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wagnerrp:

company begins producing gasoline from CO2 using a 'proprietary multi-step biocatalytic process'

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wagnerrp:

only takes 250M years

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Der_Thomas:

mchou

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Der_Thomas:

mchou thanks

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Der_Thomas:

ok, azap worked

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Der_Thomas:

now I'm getting an error with dvbscan:

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tmiw_:

i'm surprised i was able to get some HD content though before the amp when analog wouldn't come in at all

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tmiw_:

albeit really crappy and blocky

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Der_Thomas:

wait, do I still need to use dvbscan?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: yes you do

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scant:

tmiw_: so everything is working well now?

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tmiw_:

scant: won't know 100% till i actually record something, but yes

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Der_Thomas:

ok, well when I dvbscan -c i get "Could not open scan file -c" – what file am I supposd to be opening?

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scant:

hmmm... maybe i need to get a better amp or something

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: http://pastebin.com/d137798d4

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: that's for my area

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tmiw_:

scant: the radioshack one is only 8dB

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tmiw_:

scant: you have a 20?

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tmiw_:

I want to blame wiring more than not having a powerful enough amp

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, hmm, I have a dvbscan, but not a scandvb

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: the name of the util isnt important

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scant:

tmiw_: it's a radioshack 20db amp

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, OK

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whodat:

i have a 4250hdc that is very finicky with hd over firewire, anyone else have this problem?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: different distros give it different names

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, well mine doesn't like those command line options

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tmiw_:

scant: hmm

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: so what do you expect me to do about that?

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tmiw_:

scant: is your wall connection direct to your cable company? or is it split again somewhere else?

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, lol, nothing

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scant:

wall->amp

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, lol, just confused what I need to do

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, what does -c and -A do?

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tmiw_:

scant: right, but is it cable company->wall->amp, or cable company->splitter in attic->wall->amp (or similar)?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: dvbscan --help

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: think for yourself just once pls

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scant:

tmiw_: I think it's cable co->wall->amp->to a really really really really really long coax wire->splitter

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, did that no -c or -a there

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Der_Thomas:

http://pastebin.com/m621495b6

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tmiw_:

eep

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tmiw_:

scant: i'd try some thicker wire

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tmiw_:

or shorter.

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tmiw_:

if possible

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scant:

tmiw_: thanks for the suggestion, it's possible just not now...

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: you have old crufty code

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scant:

tmiw_: are you not getting any of those multi-colored macroblocks anymore for any of your channels? or have you still not tested the picture quality yet

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, ok – makes sense

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, thanks for your help

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tmiw_:

scant: still haven't, i wiped my mythtv config clean so i can get an accurate channel scan

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tmiw_:

scant: right now it's 40% done scanning

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scant:

tmiw_: k, keep us updated on the picture quality

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tmiw_:

scant: ok

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tmiw_:

scant: going to dinner soon though, so might not be till later tonight

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, can you tell me where you got the info for that channels.conf file you sent me?

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: lol

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scant:

tmiw_: k, i should be here if u wanna chat

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tmiw_:

scant: k

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, really, I'm trying to think for myself, just have no idea that I needed that

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: I massaged it using awk using /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, you had just said to copy that other file over then you said that I needed this other one

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clev:

shit

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clev:

my lvm snapshot overflowed

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: google tells you what you need to do

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, So once I get a new dvbscan that takes the -c and -a options what should I expect form the output?

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, Still missing that part – sorry

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: I posted a sample output already

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, Ah right

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: wtf??

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, you must really think I'm an asshole

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, sorry

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, sick of my dumb ass q's yet? One more I think

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, you said "steps are 1. Tune to channel using azap. 2. scan for services on that frequency using dvbscn" so what do I do with the output from dvbscan?

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mchou:

sigh

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, figured that

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: just google man

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, seriously what do I google to find this out, I've spent a few hous reading shit and haven't found what I need

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mchou:

a few hours?

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mchou:

I'd say you need to spend more time reading

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clev:

ive never had a dvb card, but it sounds fairly simple

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, yep half of the shit I read didn't work, so maybe BC I have a screwed up dvbscan, nothing seems to make sense

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mchou:

myth is not some instanteous gratification

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: then compile scandvb from recent source

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, I'm aware thanks, been running just find for over a year

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, well now that I know what the problem is, I will, just figured that opensuse was new enough to not have broken dvbscan

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, I'ts juset a new card, not a new myth system

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: dude, it makes no difference

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: go back to windows if you expect instant gratifications and reboots

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Der_Thomas:

mchou, point is that I've spent a few hours reading about the card, but YES I've spent lots of time working my my myth system

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mchou:

you can even use mplayer on the card as a sanity check b4 myth

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Der_Thomas:

I don't expect that – I really have no idea what your problem is – thankt s for the little help you gave me, but you can keep your asshole comments to your self

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: it works

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Der_Thomas:

yep tried that

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Der_Thomas:

thanks

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Der_Thomas:

mine doesn't work

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: I never called you an asshole

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Der_Thomas:

well prettymuch you did

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: that's your own description for yourself

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: then supply a quote where I said/suggested that

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Der_Thomas:

you're right, you never said that but saying things lik e"go back to windows if you expect instant gratifications and reboots" tell me what I said to make you say that

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Der_Thomas:

I naver said I wanted instand grad

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Der_Thomas:

all I was doing was looking for help with a card

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Der_Thomas:

you started helping, and I appreciate that

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mchou:

and you got help

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Der_Thomas:

thank you

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mchou:

now you're just wallowing in self pity instead of solving the issue

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Der_Thomas:

yes I would like to solve the problem

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Der_Thomas:

so, maybe I don't know what I'm doing yet, but that i swhy I came here

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mchou:

Der_Thomas:

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mchou:

[18:32] <Der_Thomas> mchou, seriously what do I google to find this out, I've spent a few hous reading shit and haven't found what I need

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mchou:

[18:33] <mchou> a few hours?

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mchou:

[18:33] <mchou> I'd say you need to spend more time reading

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mchou:

Der_Thomas: that was prelude to my instant gratification comment

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Der_Thomas:

what ever, thanks for your help

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clev:

2008-10–13 21:57:30.353 'Two and a Half Men' will record in '/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv' although there is only 709 MiB free and the AutoExpirer wants at least 5120 MiB. Something will have to be deleted or expired in order for this recording to complete successfully.

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here have an imon with an LCD that's currently working?

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RyeBrye:

i.e a 0x152c 0x0038 device? I'm trying to debug why mine isn't working – and I think something is fundamentally flawed in the driver so I need to get the usbmon trace of the working output so I can be sure

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I have a case with one, but haven't gotten it working yet. However, i've only spent a few hours on it, months ago...

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scant:

RyeBrye: have you tried the islcd=1 module option?

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RyeBrye:

scant – yes, that was one of the first things I've tried. Thanks for the suggestion.

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scant:

RyeBrye: and you're sure you have a LCD rather than a VFD?

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – it wasn't that bad for me to get working the first time – but I upgraded to 2.6.27 and somehow something in the process got majorly tweaked so now I'm digging in at a really low level and trying to figure out what broke

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RyeBrye:

Yes, I'm positive it's an LCD

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scant:

RyeBrye: how many lirc devices do you have?

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** J-e-f-f-A has an Antec Fusion Black 430 ;-) – Currently just a test backend that he hasn't powered on in about 1.5 months... **

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RyeBrye:

I have lirc0 and lirc1 – both of them come from the one iMon device

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RyeBrye:

http://codeka.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69 There's the thread that I've been basically documenting what I've been doing to get it back working

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RyeBrye:

I've found some stuff in the lirc_imon.c that's in the cvs head of the lirc that makes me really scratch my head and wonder "How in the world did this ever work?" – for instance, some constants are but in transposed in a funny way (and when I fix them to be put in the normal way, some functionality returs)

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RyeBrye:

I can get my LCD to display stuff using a simple C program independent of the lirc driver, so I know my screen functions... it's just frustrating that I don't have a functional one being driven by the lirc driver to trace the USB signals on to compare against what mine is spitting out to see how to adjust mine to act properly

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scant:

RyeBrye: goodluck, I wonder why no one else has experienced this issue yet

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RyeBrye:

I don't know. 2.6.27 is brand new and no distributions use it yet, afaik

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scant:

RyeBrye: is there a reason you need 2.6.27?

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clev:

im still on 2.6.24 it seems:S

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RyeBrye:

Well, there's a reason I need 2.6.28 to be honest – my motherboard has a soundcard that doesn't have drivers in it yet – but are going to be merged in 2.6.28

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** J-e-f-f-A is also running 2.6.24 on his backend... ;-) **

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bobgill:

during tv playback, bringing up the OSD using remote (lirc) causes slight stutter, whereas keyboard bringing it up is fine, i haven't changed anything, lirc been working fine all this time.. what could be wrong ?

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RyeBrye:

so I have 2.6.26 but the hda_intel is patched to support the spdif out on my card

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RyeBrye:

err baord

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jpabq:

RyeBrye, I have an "original" Antec Fusion with a imon VFD display working. I take it that the LCD requires a different lirc driver?

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RyeBrye:

(errr... I mean 2.6.27 patched with the patches that will be in 2.6.28 for my spdif out to be supported... there)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jpabq: I would think so – the VFD is a character display only, the LCD is a graphical display with many icons around the graphic area.

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RyeBrye:

jbapq – the LCD is different, yes, because it does something funky on the input of the USB device to make it work

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RyeBrye:

The method of sending bits is similar, though, I think that the LCD's use a control message but the VFDs just send out a normal usb message

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** RyeBrye is not a USB expert **

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jpabq:

As far as getting lirc working with a very recent kernel, I had the best luck patching the kernel with this http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kern . . . tch?view=log instead of building lirc on it's own.

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RyeBrye:

jbapq – I'll look into that. I'm building from Ubuntu's tree which has lirc built as a module as part of the kernel build – I'll see how it differs from that patch

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RyeBrye:

I can get the IR part working flawlessly

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J-e-f-f-A:

me too... ;-)

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – there is a post that worked pretty well for me the first time I got it working:

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RyeBrye:

http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/gettin . . . 221069960000

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RyeBrye:

and then he has a follow up link on the bottm on how to get LCDd to work

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RyeBrye:

if you see /dev/lcd0 as one of your devices – or if you modprobe -r lirc_imon and then modprobe lirc_imon is_lcd=1 to set the flag (some versions needed the is_lcd=1 flag set) – and then you see /dev/lcd0 – it should be pretty straightforward to get it to work

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RyeBrye:

Or maybe someone with more C / kernel hacking knowledge can look at this post in particular where I see their constant for the setup code is defined... http://codeka.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69#p441

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Cool, thanks. The guide I was looking at (ages ago), didn't mention different device ID strings, so mine must have been different than his, and that's why it didn't work for me... I'll bet I could get it working in just a few minutes now...

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – yeah, the device string is crucial

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A, on the second post, it has a test code where you can use a simple perl command to draw output to the LCD screen

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – if that works, you're golden

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – and... if that works... you'll have to trace what it's spitting out via usbmon for me so I can see how it breaks it up into packets or how it's padding the bits in the functional version... Some stuff in the driver code seems to be very wrong to me

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** J-e-f-f-A is amazed at the complexity an interpreted scripting language is capable of... (perl...) **

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RyeBrye:

http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/gettin . . . ng-with.html is the post that talks specifically about the imon LCD

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RyeBrye:

Oh... there is one more thing – you do have to force HID to not want to be the driver for the device – but you probably already had to do that to get LIRC to work

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Yeah, I haven't had that box setup for a little while now, so I can't boot it at the moment to test the lcd.

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Dagmar:

Actually submit a bug report upstream if it's still doing that

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't recall what I did, seemed that lirc just worked the first time, but the lcd driver didn't display anything.

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Dagmar:

It's perfectly possible for the driver to include a bit that flags it as !hid

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar – someone may have submitted a bug already

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Dagmar:

Well, check it

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Sorry, I won't get to it tonight, but will probably have time to play again later in the week...

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Dagmar:

THese things can slip through the cracks for a long time like that

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RyeBrye:

Ok, where would I submit it? I think the place it is set is in /usr/src/linux/drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-quirks.c you add a line telling it to { 0x15c2, 0x0038, HID_QUIRK_IGNORE }, – would I just submit a patch to that file somewhere?

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Dagmar:

Actually it would be a udev hook that would be more apppropriate for it IMHO, but the devs can patch it any way they feel _comfortable_ with

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** J-e-f-f-A would really like to improve the LCD support/flexibility for myth. ;-) I have done HD44780 programming using microcontrollers and small 'c' programs in DOS mode, lots of potential... **

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Dagmar:

It might not be appropriate to flag it with something that's supposed to represent a "quirk" which may or may not have a "workaround"

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RyeBrye:

Ok, gotcha

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Dagmar:

Seems like this one is simply something that SHOULD NOT (RFC style) use the HID driver

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Dagmar:

Like, I'll freely admit that my lazy ass is at least partially responsible for not hassling the pilot-link team about setting the Palm T|X to *not* use the visor.ko module

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RyeBrye:

I'm not sure – it MIGHT use the HID driver because it presents itself to the OS as a mouse / keyboard initially and the pad on the remote can be used as a mouse... although I'm not sure if that works properly without driver or something

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Dagmar:

It was so easy to hack that bit into the udev scripts I didn't bother

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: All the more reason to mention it to the devs and set a bug report that comments/ideas/presumptions can be attacked to

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Dagmar:

er attached to

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Dagmar:

It's definitely a "complex problem"

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar – point taken. Any idea where the lirc developers lurk? I've got a bunch of questions about the lirc_imon driver (specifically related to why it's not working for me – but I think I've gotten to the point where getting a few questions answered can help me get it working relatively easily)

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Dagmar:

lirc dev mailing list I suspect

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RyeBrye:

Ok, gotcha

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roz__:

where can I find a good guide for setting up a DVB card in mythtv?

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Dagmar:

THe MythTV wiki mainly

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roz__:

I see how to compile mythtv with dvb support and i am that far, and my card works

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Lexridge:

does anyone know why I get a beautiful mythtv experience with the tuners, but stuttering/pausing video when using the SVHS input on the same card?

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roz__:

i am not seeing how to set up channels

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Der_Thomas:

roz__, how do you know your card works?

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Lexridge:

It appears to only be in the frontend, as even though I experience the stuttering when watching the SV input live, the recorded material does not contain this.

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roz__:

the card is recognized, i have /dev/dvb/ stuff, it works for v4l analog tuning

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Der_Thomas:

not sure if this is what you mean by "setting up channels", but you might want to check this out:

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Der_Thomas:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan

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Lexridge:

roz__ don't you just set up a tuner in the "input connections" section and scan for ATSC or QAM channels?

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Der_Thomas:

Lexridge, not sure. I'm doing the same thing right now. I'm going through this whole process of creating a channels.conf file, but actually I'm not sure if myth needs it or not

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Lexridge:

Der_Thomas: Myth can create its own.

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Lexridge:

or you can give it one as an option.

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roz__:

i know what channels i should get.

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roz__:

6 or so of them

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Lexridge:

off air, or QAM?

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Der_Thomas:

Lexridge, oh really? guess it does that when you scan for channels?

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Lexridge:

Der_Thomas: yes

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roz__:

'QAM

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roz__:

how long does the QAM channel scanning take?

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Lexridge:

roz__ You may need to do multiple scans.....HRC, Upper, Lower, etc. You need to try them all until you find what works.

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Lexridge:

it takes a while...be patient.

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I tried that yesterday and didn't get any channels so I'm trying to get it to work outside of myth 1st

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Lexridge:

Der_Thomas: I did the same thing, and ended up with better results using mythtv.

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Lexridge:

I spent days on it, going back and forth between outdoor antennia, and QAM cable.

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Der_Thomas:

Lexridge, right now, I have a good channels.conf, but don't get any output when I try to play from mplayer. Any ideas?

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Lexridge:

not off the top of my head. I've not tried it using mplayer myself. If you have a stream that is being written to your HDD, you can try opening it with VLC as well.

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roz__:

so should I just try scanning in myth?

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roz__:

i need 105–1, -2 , -3, 107–1, 108–1 & -2

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Lexridge:

roz__ I think you'll end with the same results however you do it.

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scant:

roz: yes!

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mishehu:

hmm perhaps somebody here has a good recommendation: don't know if anybody here uses mythphone, but I'm looking for a good webcam with linux support. any suggestions?

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Dagmar:

Logitech mainly

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Dagmar:

Just dig around the web a bit and look for people saying good thigns about their webcam, and then make sure they're using it as a Video4Linux device.

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Dagmar:

There's *some* cams out there that work great, but they work by the driver pulling frame after frame from the camera and never trying to actually pretend it's a contiguous video stream.

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clev:

i have 2 usb cameras, both 'work' thru v4l with motion

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clev:

the main problem is brightness control

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wagnerrp:

is mythphone still being updated?

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Dagmar:

Avoid the chinese no-name USB cameras.

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Dagmar:

They almost never work worth a damn

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Dagmar:

...not for a video app anyway.

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clev:

i tried to make mythtv use one of my cameras as a capture source a month ago

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clev:

it went horidly wrong:P

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mishehu:

Dagmar: I suppose the ones that go frame-by-frame have a higher performance hit on the system by not just streaming.

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Dagmar:

It's not just that. THey require extra work on the part of the program trying to access them

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clev:

ive had one of my cameras 'working' before in skype under linux, but it was pegged at 100% cpu usage

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clev:

system usage i think

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Dagmar:

Just having things accessible through the v4l API as a video stream makes that job ismpler.

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Dagmar:

clev: Probably spending all it's time reading from the CCD as fast as it can go.

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clev:

could be

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Dagmar:

The cams that represent a "stream" tend to cap out at 15–30 frames per second, so there's only so much work your computer will ever have to do to read them

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clev:

most of my brigthness problems are black images durring the night(when with lights on)

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clev:

and solid white frames durring the day

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Dagmar:

Add some IR LEDs

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clev:

under windows i was able to turn on some daylight filter, and got fairly good images with it pointed out a iwndow into bright sunlight

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Dagmar:

Stuff will take on a greenish or purplish tone, but it'll raise the ambient brightness level (as it were) without annoying you

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clev:

but linux cant enable that hidden thing

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Dagmar:

That sounds like it's just rejiggering each image

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Dagmar:

Look into EffectTV or something like that

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Dagmar:

It lets you apply realtime filtering to image input... mainly for cheesy special effects, but it works.

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clev:

ive played with the brightness controls on motion all i could, no way to get anything out of the solid white frames

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clev:

it seems more like some pre filtering within the camera

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wagnerrp:

filtering isnt going to make much difference if the image is fully saturated

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Dagmar:

Yeah CCD sensitivity can be adjusted, IF the driver knows how to do it

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clev:

wagnerrp: but the windows driver was able to get a good image when pointed out a window into a sunny day

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Dagmar:

...and just like with cameras, there's only so sensitive you can make it before it can't pull frames very fast anymore

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clev:

when the linux driver cant even handle being pointed away from windows

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Dagmar:

BTW, *don't* point your CCD camera at the sun

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Dagmar:

It can actually burn the CCD.

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clev:

i know, it wasnt pointed at the sun itself

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clev:

but all the light reflecting off things is enough to white wash things

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Dagmar:

There's a few cameras set up running full time out there (one notable one watches the top of a volcano) and you can see all these streaks in the "sky" where the sun has basically slightly roasted parts of the CCD.

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clev:

but something in the windows driver let me lower the brightness

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clev:

lol

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wagnerrp:

it let you lower the shutter time, somehow

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clev:

i was trying to track the path of the sun lately with my telescope

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clev:

i just aim it at the sun dead on, without an eye peice

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clev:

and it projects a large spot on the wall

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Dagmar:

WHy not just use a pinhole?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully you have a sun filter when you align it

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clev:

but the exact location of the spot depends on how well i center the scope on the sun

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Dagmar:

Exactly why a pinhole works better

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clev:

wagnerrp: i look at it indirectly, for the spot of light on the mirror lighting the dust up

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mishehu:

hmm maybe the quickcam pro 9000 and/or the quickcam orbit af

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Dagmar:

Jesus I'm going to get WALL OF TEXT comments now

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Dagmar:

I'm writing a thing about contig and wound up explaining how disk caching works

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mishehu:

those look like decent cams. the pro 9000 is mentioned on the mythphone wiki page

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Dagmar:

mishehu: Both of those are excellent as far as I know

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clev:

i just fixed a patch i was writing on my storage groups

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Dagmar:

I have a small collection of shitty no-name USB cameras made in various parts of Asia.

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Dagmar:

Turns out they weren't the bargains I was expecting

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clev:

a local storage group with 40mb free is used for recording, because the weights in the storage groups say its 'best'

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Dagmar:

That stuff I really wish weren't in C++

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mishehu:

Dagmar: nothing like cameras assembled by the chinese gymnastics team!

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clev:

Dagmar: the storage group code?

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Dagmar:

I can write the logic for making very intelligent decisions about where things should go, but not in C++

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clev:

my patch simple does +30 to the weight, when the free space is <3gig

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mishehu:

Dagmar: C++ isn't THAT different for doing that type of logic than C...

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Dagmar:

mishehu: Yes, but both are considerably more "tedious" than perl.

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clev:

the large offset in the weight will push it towards the end of the list

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Dagmar:

Things like, whether or not the source is a transcode job should matter.

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Dagmar:

...cuz for a live recording, a local fs is best, but for something where time ain't exacly of the essence, a remote fs should be preferable

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clev:

something ive thought about, why does a transcode have to go to the same dir at the source

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Dagmar:

clev: Because it doesn't think about it much

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clev:

you could transcode without nfs mounts remotely if you removed that limit

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clev:

stream the file over like usual, and put the new version on a local fs

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Dagmar:

Being that transcoding means the output will be slower than the input (unless you have piles of money)...

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clev:

or have a special long term storage group that you transcode everything into afterwards

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Dagmar:

...there's no major performance penalty for "slower" writes.

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clev:

my transcodes are setup to halve the file sizes in general

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clev:

but i currently have -3 hours free!

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clev:

and 50gig on autoexpire...

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wagnerrp:

halve? thats it?

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clev:

horay for mythtv screwing up!

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Dagmar:

That reminds me that I need to poke around and see if I can spot where to put in a particular hack

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Dagmar:

...one that freaking lets you set what zoom level applies to a group.

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Dagmar:

Like, how many shows on SciFi SD are letterboxed.

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Dagmar:

...yet the thing can let you set *playback speed* in advance, but not playback scale.

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clev:

that might be something you would want to set on a per title&chanid basic

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I can just shim the code in there next to the plaback speed stuff.

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wagnerrp:

that should be something built into the commercial scanner

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Dagmar:

Well, there's those little logos and stuff that will throw that off.

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clev:

wagnerrp: mythcommflag does check for letter box changes

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wagnerrp:

should be trivial to search for black bars, i know a fair amount of dvd-rip software has automatic crop detection

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Dagmar:

In practice, >80% of the time it's only going to come down to 2–3 aspect ratios to watch for

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't really need to do any dynamic assessment for the majority of it

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Dagmar:

...which avoids the problem of having that dynamic assessment fail

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clev:

ive read over one of the readme files for mythcommflag and it can spew detailed info about exactly where(down to the frame) letterbox or logo changes happen, along with scene changes

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clev:

somebody modified mythcommflag so it can function on non mythtv recordings

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clev:

bbl sleep time

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JohnMahowald:

I heard of a windows port. There any frontend windows binary builds available for download? Preferably compatible with a 0.21 backend.

[03:26:23]

Lexridge:

John: Google for it. It'll show up.

[03:26:24]

wagnerrp:

there was one that showed up the mailing list a few months back

[03:26:27]

wagnerrp:

crashes for me

[03:27:20]

Lexridge:

I've seen a few, never tried any of them however.

[03:27:39]

fryfrog:

is there a good way of seeing what is causing a ton of soft interrupts?

[03:28:07]

** J-e-f-f-A has used "MythTV Player 0.4.2" seems to work ok with my 0.21-fixes backend... **

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JohnMahowald:

What's the query? Everything leads back to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ Windows_Port which of course doesn't have binaries last I checked

[03:29:36]

** J-e-f-f-A may have been too quick to type before reading ... I've used the above to play myth recordings in winblows... **

[03:30:02]

Lexridge:

did you not see this one? http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/

[03:31:59]

JohnMahowald:

Forgot to mention I have Mythtv Player 0.4 but small text is... not optimal on my TV.

[03:32:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

... actually I was ok. ;-) It's not a full-fledged frontend, just a recordings viewer, but it does skip commercials and reads the myth database like a fully-functional frontend would...

[03:32:23]

JohnMahowald:

I thought the wiki page referred to the same frontend Windows has

[03:32:26]

JohnMahowald:

er, Linux

[03:32:46]

JohnMahowald:

Yeah, on standard def TV it's a bit of a squint

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JohnMahowald:

I'd settle for a player I can make the fonts really big with

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J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: Don't know if it uses the windows gui sizing properly, if so, maybe you can set the windoze font size to "Extra Large Fonts"...

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J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: Humm... just tried it, seems to help a bit, it's about 2x as big with the 'Extra Large Fonts' setting...

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Lexridge:

John: Just find and old computer, buy a $40 video card with SVHS and VGA (DVI) outs, and install mythdora on it. It'll work a hell of a lot better. :)

[03:40:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ Yeah, Lexridge has a good point, that's probably a hell of a lot easier... ;-)

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JohnMahowald:

Yeah, dedicated media pc will be in the budget someday

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Lexridge:

John: A dedicated media pc is in my budget someday too, but small budget mytvtv boxes running linux are CHEAP. Everyone has PCs they want to throw away. :)

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JohnMahowald:

Oh well I get up to switch the program, beats the bad old days pre remote control :)

[03:44:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: If you're just doing SD, then just about any old pc, even a 733 PIII with an nvidia card would work fine! ;-)

[03:45:15]

JohnMahowald:

Oh yeah my backend/frontend has really low end video and works fine

[03:46:00]

JohnMahowald:

Or a decent sized HDTV, I do have a computer by the TV already, hmm

[03:47:49]

Lexridge:

Driving an HDTV from you computer may require a DVI to HDMI adaptor, and be sure the gfx card supports full HD resolutions (such as 1920x1080i)

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J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: I'm using a 22" LCD with DVI on a AMD 64 3200+ frontend to play 720p MPEG2 HD... My monitor is 1680x1050.

[03:49:00]

JohnMahowald:

That would require decent video cards. s-video out for the win

[03:49:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: The monitor cost me $179. a 22" TV costs 400+ typically...

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J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: You don't want to use S-Video out for anything other than a standard definition TV with S-Video in...

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Lexridge:

22" monitors are the craze now days. They are generally on sale "somewhere" for $179-$189 if you look.

[03:51:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

JohnMahowald: If you've got a HDTV, you'll want to feed it a digital signal, even if you're playing back SDTV. A DVI -> HDMI cable can be had for $15 online...

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Lexridge:

Yea, and stay away from the Monster Cables....overpriced and over rated

[03:52:03]

JohnMahowald:

No kidding, Monster took over the Circuit City

[03:52:30]

Lexridge:

John: I could really tell a great story about just that, but I will refran from it ;)

[03:53:34]

Lexridge:

I needed a 25 foot DVI cable, the monster at CC was $125. I found a custom shop online, and bought a better quality cable for $25.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I once had a BestBuy sales kiddie tell me that I needed a gold-plated USB cable for a printer I was buying for my Mother — I said "I've got pleanty of usb cables at home I can use" — "But are they Gold Plated?" – "Nope!" – "You'll lose quality..." Right...

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Lexridge:

lol! same ol' damn salesman pitches. It's the same wherever you go.

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J-e-f-f-A:

My standard 'tin plated' usb 2.0 cable worked just fine... I didn't need that $34 gold-plated 6' USB cable... Jeeze...

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Lexridge:

well, digital is digital. Get a strong enough signal, and it's gonna work. :)

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** J-e-f-f-A hates sales people... especially ones that *THINK* they're technical, but really just speak convincing 'technobabble' to the technically illertiate... **

[03:57:34]

Lexridge:

exactly!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyways, I've got to crash... ;-) Take care guys... ;-) ZZZZzzzz..... .

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Lexridge:

l8r

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NateDavis:

hello everyone...

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scant:

hi Nate

[04:18:15]

NateDavis:

Hows it going? Just trying to compile the latest mythfrontend on my mac... Having some issues, and was hoping someone could help...

[04:18:27]

NateDavis:

but looks like there is only a few of us here.

[04:18:37]

scant:

yeah, I'm not an expert

[04:19:27]

scant:

check out the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_x86

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NateDavis:

No prob... Just getting an error that was commited to the SVN just a few minutes ago. It is a bug in Apple's Compiler. So I will just have to wait I guess :) Been a really long time since I have been on IRC

[04:20:55]

NateDavis:

This is what nigel said had fixed it, but it didn't for me... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18693

[04:21:17]

NateDavis:

so I will have to open a ticket in the morning

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tmiw_:

scant: back

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tmiw_:

gah it keeps crashing

[05:39:39]

tmiw_:

but i think i have enough channels to be happy

[05:39:40]

tmiw_:

for now

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** RyeBrye found nature of the the bug with the lirc_imon driver for LCD screens... w000t!!!!!! **

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** RyeBrye is happy **

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scant:

RyeBrye: ?

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scant:

hi tmiw_

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tmiw_:

i'm fixing the channel guide

[05:58:33]

tmiw_:

then I'll do a test recording :D

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scant:

what keeps on crashing?

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tmiw_:

mythtv-setup

[06:05:33]

tmiw_:

but no matter

[06:05:41]

tmiw_:

I don't think I'm going to find any other channels that I can access

[06:06:16]

tmiw_:

oh

[06:06:34]

tmiw_:

is it possible to use the analog and atsc parts of the pinnacle card at the same time?

[06:06:42]

iamlindoro:

no

[06:06:43]

tmiw_:

with different capture card settings, i mean

[06:06:46]

tmiw_:

ah

[06:07:11]

scant:

tmiw_: i still don't know what stage and state your're currently in

[06:07:29]

tmiw_:

scant: running mythfilldatabase to fill the schedule

[06:07:41]

tmiw_:

i just manually associated xmltvids with stationa

[06:07:43]

tmiw_:

*stations

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scant:

tmiw_: well, you have NTSC working now?

[06:08:02]

tmiw_:

scant: yep

[06:08:14]

scant:

tmiw_: but dvb scanning is crashing?

[06:08:31]

tmiw_:

scant: yeah, but mythtv-setup's always been a bit flaky for me anyway

[06:08:57]

scant:

and dvb scanning didn't work before the amp also right?

[06:09:07]

tmiw_:

right

[06:09:09]

tmiw_:

or well

[06:09:11]

tmiw_:

it kinda did

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scant:

so in some ways dvb scanning is worse now?

[06:09:27]

tmiw_:

but sometimes it'd crash trying to start the scan

[06:09:34]

tmiw_:

no, it's fine most of the time if i want to do a full scan

[06:09:42]

tmiw_:

it's just the other options that are flaky

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scant:

tmiw_: i dunno if this is worth while, but i had some weird stuff going on my my scans, what seemed to fix it was deleting all tuneers and all channels

[06:11:59]

scant:

are you doing QAM or ATSC scanning?

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tmiw_:

scant: QAM

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tmiw_:

scant: btw HD recording works :D

[06:13:59]

tmiw_:

thanks to all who helped

[06:14:08]

tmiw_:

another thing

[06:14:21]

tmiw_:

so i'm using mythweb and streaming something as it's recording

[06:14:39]

tmiw_:

how come it seems to stop instead of continually play?

[06:14:56]

tmiw_:

i mean, if I recorded 5 minutes of a 30 minute show, it won't eventually show all 30 minutes

[06:14:58]

tmiw_:

just the first 5

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RyeBrye:

I fixed the lirc_imon driver – sent in patches

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scant_:

RyeBrye: that's great

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scant_:

tmiw_: i'm back

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tmiw_:

scant_: wb

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scant_:

tmiw_: so is it QAM or ATSC?

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tmiw_:

scant_: that I'm watching?

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tmiw_:

QAM

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scant_:

tmiw_: ok, and how many QAM channels can you get?

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tmiw_:

scant_: 9 or so unencrypted

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tmiw_:

maybe another 20–30 encrypted

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scant_:

tmiw_: and what about the drop out and macroblock corruption issues?

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scant_:

are they 100% gone?

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tmiw_:

scant_: correct

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scant_:

i have macroblocking corruption issues

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scant_:

=(

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scant_:

is a 20db amp better than a 8db amp?

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tmiw_:

scant_: amps won't really help you if the signal's weak before it gets to the amp

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scant_:

you have a pinnacle card? which one?

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tmiw_:

scant_: 800i

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tmiw_:

it was on woot for $20 :D

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scant_:

hmmm

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tmiw_:

showing roommate results

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tmiw_:

(switched back to ethernet because wifi was being crappy with streaming)

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scant_:

tmiw_: but it can't record QAM and NTSC at the same time, right?

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tmiw_:

scant_: according to above, correct

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scant_:

that's why I went with a HVR-1600, but people have saying the HVR-1600 sucks, and it kinda sucks for me

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tmiw_:

I already have a dvr box from the cable company for the non-HD stations anyway

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tmiw_:

so it's no big loss

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tmiw_:

non-HD/digital cable channels

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scant_:

tmiw_: do you know about signal quality and db and gain?

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tmiw_:

scant_: dB is logarithmic

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tmiw_:

10x weaker/stronger = 1 dB

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tmiw_:

100x = 2 dB

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tmiw_:

etc

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scant_:

tmiw_: my amp has a gain dial

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scant_:

tmiw_: but i'm not sure what to do with in

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scant_:

in=it

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mzb_d800:

Hi all, I've just moved house and have had to change from VHF to high-band UHF (and all the associated problems involved with using a weak translator)

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at0m|c:

tmiw_, re: .250 forward or back? >> .250 higher

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mzb_d800:

I've managed to get lock (DVB-T) on all the channels and created a channels.conf

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mzb_d800:

However, regardless of the method I use, mythtv-setup segfaults if I try to scan channels

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mzb_d800:

do I *really* need to delete all the tuners and start again?

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mzb_d800:

(by scan I mean full-scan, tuned-scan or imported channels.conf ... result is the same)

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tmiw_:

at0m|c: ah.

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tmiw_:

shifting isn't the issue then

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tmiw_:

turned out that my signal was actually almost 0

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tmiw_:

which is why analog didn't work either

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at0m|c:

ah, right

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at0m|c:

was just a hint, i been looking for it for a while to find that eh

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at0m|c:

for that offset

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at0m|c:

bbl

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mzb_d800:

I've tried deleting sources + channels (bugger!) without success ... any suggestions about mythtv-setup segfaulting on channel-scan?

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mzb_d800:

(using 0.21-fixes btw)

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mzb_d800:

attempting "sudo taskset -c 0" workaround

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mzb_d800:

nope

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mzb_d800:

AARRRGHH!

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mzb_d800:

*sigh* ... turned -v all off

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mzb_d800:

but still not helping me ... unable to get lock :(

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tmiw:

hm

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tmiw:

does the 800i support recording more than one ATSC channel at once?

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mzb_d800:

it appears that I'm asking too much of mythtv(-setup) or my knowledge of it ... deleting the channels does not delete (all) the multiplexes ... which appears to confuse things later on when (apparently) the same channel is available on both multiplexes. Seems like an oversight in logic.

[07:57:02]

Thomas-:

I'm guessing that what you want to do is delete the cards and then do a new search?

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mzb_d800:

Thomas-: yes ... tried that ... see my previous comment(s).

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simoo:

Hi, is it possible to use Mythphone with Ekiga?

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simoo:

(an Ekiga account)

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justinh:

does mythphone still work?

[10:23:08]

justinh:

heh

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simoo:

hmmm... maybe it's not the best option

[10:30:04]

justinh:

mythphone should work with any SIP service in theory AFAIK

[10:30:07]

justinh:

so whatever

[10:30:51]

simoo:

I just don't see how the configuration options relate to an Ekiga account

[10:30:55]

justinh:

personally I've never liked the idea of integrating my telephone & TV.. other than maybe disabling the telephone when I'm watching something. that'd be good

[10:32:16]

simoo:

MythTV is always on and so the best machine to set up free internet calls on

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justinh:

I thought ekiga was just a client anyway

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justinh:

meaning I didn't think they had 'account' services

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simoo:

I have a personal sip address here http://www.ekiga.net/user/index.php

[10:33:51]

justinh:

so just put your SIP address details into mythphone

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simoo:

I was hoping it was that simple but the mythphone config asks for information I don't think I have

[10:42:29]

justinh:

looks way more complicated than it should be

[10:44:22]

justinh:

or more that you need a FWD account – unless you point mythphone at an asterisk server doing SIP

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justinh:

for which there seem to be no instructions

[10:45:30]

simoo:

yeah, I don't think it's going to work

[10:45:35]

simoo:

thanks anyway

[10:47:18]

justinh:

FWIW I'd just write off mythphone altogether. I mean have you seen it? ;)

[10:47:53]

simoo:

:) yeah

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[11:05:24]

justinh:

rofl @ purchasing dept. woman

[11:05:46]

justinh:

(to me on seeing my salad).. "did you buy that or did you make it yourself?"

[11:06:02]

justinh:

like a bloke isn't capable of 'making' a salad. ffs

[11:06:09]

laga_:

i buy them :(

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justinh:

I just find it galling that some women think men are incapable of the very simplest of things

[11:07:45]

quicksilver:

obviously your wife made it

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quicksilver:

don't be daft.

[11:08:37]

justinh:

yeah. Obviously

[11:09:18]

GreyFoxx:

It's worse when you have a kid :)

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laga_:

huh

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GreyFoxx:

Women assume everything child related is done by, or organized by the mother :)

[11:09:36]

laga_:

"did you make that yourself?"

[11:10:20]

GreyFoxx:

Food, baths, clothing, activities, etc. Always assumed it's mom who handles it all :)

[11:10:34]

justinh:

well obviously, I haven't got enough time to prepare even the simplest of foods, what with being so busy beating my wife up & all

[11:10:55]

simoo:

:D

[11:11:14]

simoo:

you guys are funny

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: we must be gay, or something

[11:12:08]

justinh:

logical conclusion

[11:12:09]

GreyFoxx:

just: Must be

[11:12:32]

quicksilver:

actually what's more of a problem is my wife not having time to make the salads because she's so busy pole-dancing for me.

[11:12:35]

GreyFoxx:

since I cook, clean, pay the bills, take care of my little one and generaly run the household :)

[11:12:54]

laga_:

what does your wife do then? ;)

[11:12:55]

justinh:

first time I took my girlfriend home she assumed there was another woman already living there just because it wasn't a total pigsty

[11:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Somedays I wonder :)

[11:18:05]

justinh:

looks like adverts are coming to on-demand on UK cable

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justinh:

wondered how long it'd be

[11:20:43]

simoo:

do any of you guys use myth in UK with freesat?

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[11:22:53]

justinh:

some do. somebody even documented it

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justinh:

:-O

[11:24:50]

simoo:

oh cool, do you have the link?

[11:26:34]

directhex:

justinh, even itv-hd?

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craig_loyal:

hello, if i add a new tuner (dvb-c) to my existing single tuner backend connected to the same source, do I have to rescan both card in the input connections in mythtv-setup? or can it use exisitng channel data if I use the same video source?

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justinh:

craig_loyal: in the UK you shouldn't even be using dvb-c

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justinh:

cableco T&Cs

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laga_:

telling people what they can hook up in their own house is.. silly

[11:34:23]

justinh:

silly but they are the rules of service

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craig_loyal:

yea, i kinda lost them *cough*

[11:35:00]

craig_loyal:

justinh, same question but for dvb-t

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laga_:

we can hook up what we want here, but we need certified equipment to get a smart card.

[11:35:09]

laga_:

(hahahaha)

[11:35:26]

laga_:

but a STB manufacturer is going to sue. which is a good thing

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justinh:

but no you don't have to rescan anything. just add the new tuner card & make sure it's connected to the same 'video source'

[11:35:49]

justinh:

and there is no point changing the question after you've asked it

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craig_loyal:

cool, done that....will try it when i get home, cant test things over ssh

[11:35:59]

justinh:

esp. in a logged channel

[11:36:28]

justinh:

a logged channel indexed by google. If VirginMedia ever go looking...

[11:36:49]

craig_loyal:

true :) but i wont be the first or last to connect something

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craig_loyal:

and VM do look I am sure, and I am also sure they will find worse than that

[11:37:32]

justinh:

that said, I did have a damn good look for the rules regarding other equipment in the new T&Cs but couldn't find anything

[11:37:44]

justinh:

NTL's were clear as crystal

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craig_loyal:

some VM are not bothered about it?

[11:38:05]

justinh:

I didn't say that

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craig_loyal:

but not as clear in the T&C?

[11:38:32]

craig_loyal:

realy should find them and have a read

[11:38:41]

directhex:

you lost them!

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laga_:

google?

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craig_loyal:

yep, lost. prob thrown out actually

[11:39:56]

craig_loyal:

google? could do, but is it worth the bother?

[11:41:20]

justinh:

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/legal/oncable/terms.html

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craig_loyal:

thanks justinh

[11:45:17]

craig_loyal:

Any equipment which you own and which you connect to the system (for example, phones, fax machines, PCs) must meet with all relevant laws and regulations. We reserve the right to disconnect any equipment that does not meet these laws and regulations. You may use your own equipment together with our equipment, but we do not guarantee that our equipment will work with your equipment.

[11:45:34]

justinh:

that's basically it

[11:45:34]

craig_loyal:

bit ambiguous

[11:45:40]

craig_loyal:

:)

[11:45:46]

justinh:

so it's changed. A lot

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craig_loyal:

clear as mud

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laga_:

yeah

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laga_:

connect your mythtv box i'd say

[11:46:16]

laga_:

but IANAL

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justinh:

it's pretty clear IMHO

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craig_loyal:

"you buy something to connect to the cable, and it doesnt work, dont blame us"

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** rooaus wonders if the apple "brick" will be useful for mythtv users... Best rumor I heard is that the project was called "the brick" because apple aim to smash windows. **

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justinh:

NTL's policy wording was completely explicit about 'other equipment'

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craig_loyal:

dont understand why VM bothered to change it tbh

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justinh:

probably because without a site visit they can never know unless 'other equipment' causes problems on their network

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justinh:

they still have the right to disconnect you for whatever reason they see fit though

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craig_loyal:

true, but they would have to disconnect the cable from right outside your house to do that

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justinh:

they do it at the street cabinet

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justinh:

takes them 5 minutes

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craig_loyal:

yep, have you heard of it being done?

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craig_loyal:

apart from some cablemodem guys

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justinh:

I've heard of a few people responsible for hacked boxes going to prison

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justinh:

that's it

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craig_loyal:

same as i heard...although i did wonder about it being urban myth

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justinh:

it's not myth

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craig_loyal:

you knew the guys?

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justinh:

I know people on those underground forums

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craig_loyal:

the guys were suppliers rather than 'users' though

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justinh:

they weren't even that in fairness

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craig_loyal:

were not even users?

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justinh:

suppliers

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justinh:

people who made the dodgy software

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AndyCap:

Don't get high of your own supply.

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justinh:

it's up to end users what they do with it. you shouldn't be able to hold the author responsible

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justinh:

legal precedent may say otherwise of course#

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craig_loyal:

true, so these guys were heavy users? otherwise how did they catch them?

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justinh:

they were people who patched STB software

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AndyCap:

justinh: depends on what eu directives the uk has implemented.

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justinh:

people who hosted or linked to said software, and gave instructions on how to upload said stuff

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craig_loyal:

patched stb's for other people? so not authors but retailers?

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justinh:

the usual 'for educational purposes' disclaimer was no defense

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craig_loyal:

never is a defense – best thing would be to hold your hands up

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justinh:

craig_loyal: not even VM boxes. european cable STBs commonly available

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AndyCap:

here creation, possession advertisment and distribution of equipment suitable for accessing cable or other paid tv services is illegal

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justinh:

software != equipment

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craig_loyal:

yeah i know the boxes justin

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justinh:

available from every damn fleamarket & northern computer market

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AndyCap:

justinh: well, I don't see any difference, but in the law it is expressly mentioned technical equipment or software.

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justinh:

if I could have a CAM I'd definitely consider having pay tv again

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craig_loyal:

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craig_loyal:

what do you use now justinh? dvb-s?

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justinh:

cos proving that you're only accessing what you pay for would be impossible

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justinh:

dvb-t only

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justinh:

there's FA worth paying for really

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AndyCap:

this dates back to 2001, so I would guess some eu computer crime directive covers it

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craig_loyal:

thats true, i quite fancy putting up a nice big motorised dish though

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AndyCap:

craig_loyal: meh, motors suck

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justinh:

if you don't watch sport there is NO TV worth paying for

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craig_loyal:

only stuff worth paying for is sky sports/setanta sports

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craig_loyal:

AndyCap, big dish and fancy expensive LNB?

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justinh:

as for me, I don't think it's possible for anybody to care less about sport

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justinh:

craig_loyal: I forget the term they use, but you can get dual LNBs which point at 2 sats at once

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justinh:

hotbird & astra :)

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AndyCap:

craig_loyal: well. I went for a multi-lnb dish. but if you want something more exotic a motor is what you need

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justinh:

they're the only ones worth a light as far as UK goes

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craig_loyal:

yep, need to get further south!

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AndyCap:

only thing that eludes me is astra 2d, but I'd need 1.80 – 2m dish for it. :(

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justinh:

I need to get rid of a couple of trees before I put a dish up again

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craig_loyal:

2m dish! are you far north?

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AndyCap:

nah, too far east.

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craig_loyal:

i need a new house, land person wont allow me a dish

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justinh:

you can have up to 90cm without permission

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craig_loyal:

are they many astra channels worth watching that are not scrambled?

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craig_loyal:

justinh, still need to drill the walls

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justinh:

craig_loyal: not if there's a roof you can rest a big plate to & weigh down ;)

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craig_loyal:

nice idea!

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AndyCap:

or a balcony

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justinh:

hell if you have a garden/yard you might have enough clearance around it for a good signal

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AndyCap:

and the fake rock. :P

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justinh:

it really only needs to be up a height if stuff is going to get in the way

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justinh:

like drunks

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justinh:

the old adage about how high on a wall a dish should go... 2.5 drunks high

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linagee:

is there some sort of logic to many networks only doing new shows every two weeks? hahaha. when did they introduce this?

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craig_loyal:

*going for food

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linagee:

does anyone know what i'm talking about?

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justinh:

that's effing annoying. the club I quit from the other week has finally got its finger out of its arse & is now promoting the night

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justinh:

lol @ somebody's description of Peter kay's new series. Televisual AIDS

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directhex:

"That was so bad I think it gave me cancer!" (futurama)

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dustybin:

mythvideo displays my cover art ok within the frontend, however, mythweb doesnt show the cover artwork, the html source code in mythweb shows this: <img src="data/video_covers/eo/artwork/0118655.jpg" where the hell did 'eo' come from?

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dustybin:

my symlink looks like this: video_covers -> /mnt/video/mythvideo/artwork/

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dustybin:

its ok, i found the wrong entry inside the mythweb database settings :)

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dustybin:

aint it pretty :)

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justinh:

well, yet another of my comments killed off a channel. yay :)

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Lynet:

justinh: Does your power work against talking heads on TV too?

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justinh:

my remote does

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justinh:

just don't schedule 'the top 100 $things ever' type shows. Gina yashere needs no more oxygen

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Lynet:

I'm not familiar with this humanoid by the name of Gina, although "top $n" "$country funniest $something" "the $n best $something" seems to be instant red flags no matter where one is in the world.

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justinh:

Gina Yashere is a female comedian whose only career to date has been appearing on said type of list shows

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justinh:

and no, she's not funny

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matt1982_:

afternoon, quick question. I have an old PC, AMD 2000XP and was wanting to put mythtv on it. Is there a specific distro of linux that will allow me to do it. I was hoping for something really lightwieght so that I can have quick boot times :D

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

you want quick boot times, forget about any ready-made distro

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justinh:

you need to tailor stuff to get that

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justinh:

think slack or similar

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justinh:

but then it depends wtf you mean by 'quick'

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matt1982_:

justinh: well i just wanted a lean distro something that didn't hog all the resources etc

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justinh:

less vague == more answers

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matt1982_:

justinh: yeah i realise im being vague

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matt1982_:

sorry

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justinh:

no distro hogs all the resources

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matt1982_:

i will look into mythbuntu first then

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justinh:

some distros have more bloat than others but there's not one which is that much lighter than others in terms of resource hogging while idle

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kormoc:

unless you want to do a fair bit of work (Gentoo / LFS)

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justinh:

generally speaking even ubuntu will only start services it really needs to operate

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matt1982_:

excellent thats what i wanted

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justinh:

you can still trim it down some but there's not much to be gained

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matt1982_:

no i know, im more likely to break something too :D

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justinh:

and if you really want a fast boot look into STR

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matt1982_:

hmm STR? that on the wiki?

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justinh:

suspecd to ram

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justinh:

*suspend

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matt1982_:

ahh yeah DOH! how could i forget that

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justinh:

but then ask yourself do you really want ot be shutting down a PVR? :P

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matt1982_:

heh you do if you have my electric bill

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kormoc:

Electric is cheap

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matt1982_:

i was going to use LinuxMCE but couldn't really justify the outlay of a single core just for basically watching movies and DVB-T

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justinh:

buying a new cpu, board & ram would cost less than 2 years' electricity usage of a 2000xp

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justinh:

linuxmce is like something a dog would puke up IMHO

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matt1982_:

i liked the idea its just the dev team are a bit "moody"

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matt1982_:

kormoc: electric isn't cheap where do you live?

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justinh:

I got a bit moody when I realised my own work sucked too

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kormoc:

matt1982_, no, it is, that's the point :P

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justinh:

what's £8 a month compared to all the hassle of worrying about whether your PVR is going to come back online?

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matt1982_:

£96 a year all adds up

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kormoc:

I calculated the costs between my pvr's power usage and a tivo's, and if I added in the tivo's monthly fee, I was still out on top

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justinh:

that's £400 less than Sky costs

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matt1982_:

justinh: you get the same channels?

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justinh:

no, but the same amount of stuff worth watching

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Scopeuk:

justinh nothing?

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kormoc:

matt1982_, and think, ig you had a tivo, you'd spend $130 a year on access fees + electricity, it's not that bad of amount

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justinh:

tivo never really existed in the UK

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justinh:

they kind of did, but not really

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** jduggan knows someone in the UK with tivo **

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justinh:

so do I

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justinh:

they're WEIRD

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jduggan:

he swears by it, i thought, well meh

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jduggan:

=]

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justinh:

yeah he swears by his too

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justinh:

I've seena dvd of stuff he recorded on it. not as good as a myth box with pvr150

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justinh:

bless

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justinh:

anyway, saving the planet / money is for wussies

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Scopeuk:

i'm bored i'm meant to be doign and un graded java assignment

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justinh:

ungraded? is there any point?

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Scopeuk:

the lecturer is recording who bothers so he cna decide who to be a bastard to when they go ask for help

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justinh:

we had a lecturer at Poly who was trying to get people into the IEEE. those who licked his arse did well

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justinh:

I left

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Scopeuk:

fair enough

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justinh:

little did I know that's how the world of work can end up playing out

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justinh:

oops

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Scopeuk:

i'm gonan half ass it at the moment i'm up to sped but we stat stuff i havent done 5 times before next week so it could change

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Scopeuk:

up to speed but we start stuff i havent done 5 times before next week *

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justinh:

anyway.. back to the question... YMMV with all that power-saving bollocks. personally I just set the HDDs to spin down & the tuners to idle while unused rather than take the pot-luck bingo of automated shutdown & wakeup

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justinh:

takes a wee while to access the 'watch recordings' screen while the HDD wakes up but it's no big deal

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justinh:

lol. on bbc news. 'small town bars like wild west'. That's NEWS? ffs

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justinh:

every small town bar I've ever had the misfortune to enter has always ended up like some kind of spaghetti western fight scene

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Scopeuk:

justinh should try my home town 100k people approx and about 30 pubs in the town centre

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Scopeuk:

all the bouncers are on one radio network as well

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justinh:

pile on!

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justinh:

my home town is quite civilised these days though.. during my djing stint I didn't see a single fight. that's mostly cos no bugger goes out on Fridays anymore

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Scopeuk:

yeh when we host an away football match they have riot please escord the fans coach in fro mthe motorway an back out again

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Scopeuk:

tis not good

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justinh:

ban football :)

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Scopeuk:

good plan

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Scopeuk:

its alright they'll be in the conference before long

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sphery:

anyone looking for a SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital HDTV Tuner, newegg has it on sale for $138.99 after $30 off with promo code EMCBABEDC : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . D-_-15327005

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RyeBrye:

DAMN

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** RyeBrye just bought one a week or so ago from them **

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sphery:

Unfortunately, limit 99 per customer, though... :)

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RyeBrye:

... maybe I should buy another one! :)

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sphery:

dollar-cost averaging... :)

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** RyeBrye tries hard to think of a time when he would ever need 4 ATSC / QAM tuners... **

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sphery:

then each is $15 less :)

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sphery:

Monday night!

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RyeBrye:

although...

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sphery:

they put everything on then

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RyeBrye:

I think I bought it on the 22nd of Sept

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RyeBrye:

and I think I have a 30-day return policy on the HDHR :)

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sphery:

might even be able to just convince them to give the $30 "price match"

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, they don't price match – but sometimes stores will finally give up and actually just price match when they realize that their return policy is effectively a price-match policy

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kormoc:

newegg charges a restocking fee

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RyeBrye:

Ahhh – gotcha

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RyeBrye:

yeah, probably not worth it to bother with returns. It's a fact of life: whenever you buy computer stuff prices will drop – so don't buy stuff until right before you need it

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RyeBrye:

well... unless you are building a RAID array – then you kind of have to buy all the HD's at once – unless you have some kind of magic RAID I've never heard of before that lets you scale gradually

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sphery:

and, you can still buy another and drop the average price of each by $15 :)

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RyeBrye:

Sphery – you're right.

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RyeBrye:

Today is my birthday, so if I really wanted to, I could use some "birthday points" to convince my wife to let me get another – but for that same $140 I could also pick up a 1.5 TB drive – which I might rather use by magic birthday points on

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sphery:

yeah, I'd take a 1.5TB drive (newegg's sale has it for $179.99--where do they have one for $140?)

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sphery:

btw, happy birthday

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RyeBrye:

oh

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RyeBrye:

I thought it was $140 – that was the 1 TB drive I think I'm remembering

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RyeBrye:

yeah, it's $179

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sphery:

the newegg sale requires promo code EMCBABEBG for the $10 savings on the drive

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sphery:

Oh, cool. Close enough, though.

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RyeBrye:

I've got 7 drive bays in my SIlverstone Grandia 01 case – and I plan to slowly fill them all with 1.5 TB drives ;)

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sphery:

If it was $140, I would probably buy it--I can get 750GB HDD's for $70, so...

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

10.5TB

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sphery:

no raid?

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RyeBrye:

I'd probably RAId at that point

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sphery:

oh. didn't know if it would be only TV or other, too

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RyeBrye:

right now I'm just running a solo 1 TB drive and it looks lonely with 6 open bays next to it

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sphery:

wow... a single 1TB for HDTV. That wouldn't work for me--I take too long to watch shows

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's filling up rather fast as it is

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RyeBrye:

right now we watch our shows usually within the same week

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RyeBrye:

but yeah – I figured when the drive got to 80% capacity I'd order another one

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sphery:

time-nudging (rather than time-shifting ;)

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AndyCap:

RyeBrye: reshaping raid volumes isn't that magical anymore. :)

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RyeBrye:

AndyCap – I'll have to look into it more

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AndyCap:

linux md supports it for growing raid 5.

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AndyCap:

the real winner would have been reshaping of raid10. :-) both shring and grow automatically as devices fail. :P

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sphery:

wow... I just found out that there's an optimize_mythdb.pl act-alike in MythWeb.

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MrGandalf:

is anyone aware of any work being done on a UPnP client plugin for Myth?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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GreyFoxx:

None that anyone has spoken of

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GreyFoxx:

Though I know many would find it useful with mythvideo

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MrGandalf:

it would be slick.

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MrGandalf:

I looked at djmount w/MythVideo – not so much.

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GreyFoxx:

I used that for a while :)

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sphery:

Switching MythVideo to be a UPnP client and making mythbackend serve MythVideo videos would definitely be nice.

[16:18:02]

MrGandalf:

The problem I'm finding is that MythVideo wants to recursively scan every directory it's configured to see

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GreyFoxx:

yeah the tree is "prebuilt"

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MrGandalf:

PlayOn doesn't so much like that.

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MrGandalf:

the ability to watch Netflix in Myth would be very slick.

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MrGandalf:

Right now I'm forced to use XBMC.

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GreyFoxx:

What is PlayOn ?

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MrGandalf:

PlayOn is a UPnP server which runs as aservice in Windows and grabs content from several sites, including hulu.com, netflix, cbs.com, youtube.com etc.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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MrGandalf:

It does realtime transcoding of the stream to mpeg.

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GreyFoxx:

Nifty, especially if you have a client that can't handle the real stuff

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sphery:

always? wouldn't that make it not work with the XBox 360?

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MrGandalf:

And it's DRM free.

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MrGandalf:

The XBox 360 is supported, yes.

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GreyFoxx:

They must be transcoding to the dr-ms container

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MrGandalf:

As well as the PS3, the DirecTV H20/H21, XBMC, and quite a few others.

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GreyFoxx:

the drm wrapper ms puts around mpeg2 files

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GreyFoxx:

I see they have the screenshots working, I'll have to try that out

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GreyFoxx:

I wanted to see how they made them work with the 360 since my 360 ignores them

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MrGandalf:

XBMC in Linux works out of the box, so there can't be any DRM.

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 video players explicitly wont show any .mpg files

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GreyFoxx:

but a quickly tcpdump of a grab of the filelist and playback start would give al lthe info needed

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MrGandalf:

I'll mount up djmount when I get home and take a gander at the stream.

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: nice... :)

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sphery:

wondering if playon is only free now because it's beta...

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MrGandalf:

it is.. they'll want $30 when it's released.

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sphery:

yeah, just found that.

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sphery:

$30 isn't bad

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MrGandalf:

for what it does, no. 12,000 movies and thousands of TV shows at your finger tips.. can't beat it.

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sphery:

Unfortunately, having to run a Windows box is :)

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GreyFoxx:

If you have a beefy enough backend it could run in a vm

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MrGandalf:

Could, but it requires a 1.5ghz or faster processor.

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MrGandalf:

I just run it on my laptop which is always on anyway.

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sphery:

I'd need to do some major upgrades (that I'd rather do in a few months when I plan a complete "distro" upgrade on all my systems on my network) to be able to run VM's on my 32-bit systems. And, really only my frontend--which is 64-bit and not multilib--is overpowered and it can't do Windows in a VM without 32-bit libs.

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Led-Hed:

check this out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500012

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious to install it and see where/how it's grabbing the shows lists

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decomp:

the more i use mythtv the more 'in awe' i become at the features. Kudos to the team who work on this, outstanding product

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: I'm waitil til next summer for my next major OS update heh

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GreyFoxx:

I've thought about adding RSS like feeds to our upnp server, so clients would have links to stuff other than what's directly on the backend

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GreyFoxx:

just not sure how useful it would be

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decomp:

ive managed to get my hd cable box to work with it via firewire but run into problems with no 'Lock' when tuning channels. Sometimes running mythprime seems to fix it but sometimes it cant get a connx.

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GreyFoxx:

decomp: This is what I have in my initscripts to initialize my firewire. Never have a problem afterward http://www.pastebin.ca/1226978

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GreyFoxx:

no idea what mythprime does though

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sphery:

isn't that the rate banks use to compute interest on loans for buying equipment for a Myth install?

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decomp:

mine is setup in init also, it still loses something afterwards

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GreyFoxx:

And I set myth to use broadcast, and NOT to reset the firewire connection

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GreyFoxx:

in fact telling it to not reset made a major difference

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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decomp:

AH ill try that, but you set it to broadcoast? not cable? guess thats not a big deal since its using the box eh?

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GreyFoxx:

No I mean in thre mythtv-setup for the device

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GreyFoxx:

you set it to peerto peer or broadcast

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GreyFoxx:

I don't mean in the video source :)

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decomp:

oh ok – i have mine setup as p2p – ill try that also THANKS!

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decomp:

Whar is the LAM lock? I get 100% signal but still problems with locking certain channels which work again later. its weird.

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decomp:

s/Whar/What

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decomp:

im going to set it back to p2p, cant get a lock on any channel, odd

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decomp:

GreyFoxx: how did you handle the schedules for the cable box? i use schedulesdirect but it guess you cant scan for channels on the box? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't have to do a thing

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GreyFoxx:

I just added the Schedulesdirect video source, and attached it to the device under "input connections"

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decomp:

i didnt either but wanted to make sure i didnt miss something because the channels come up wrong sometimes

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iamlindoro_:

signal means nothing in firewire, btw

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GreyFoxx:

my next mythfilldatabase grabbed the listings and channels

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iamlindoro_:

100% doesn't mean you should be able to get all channels.

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decomp:

iamlindoro_: thanks didnt know that

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GreyFoxx:

I then removed the ones I wasn't subscribed to and don't care to have in my list

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iamlindoro_:

also, locking doesn't mean what you think it means

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iamlindoro_:

if you see "L" that means lock

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decomp:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

You will lock on all channels with firewire-- you just won't necessarily get all of them as many/most of them are likely to be 5C

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iamlindoro_:

So some channels will work fine all the time so long as you are primed, and some will never work.

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decomp:

i can get the hd channels on my cable service but not all of them all the time. For example yesterday i could tune in scifihd fine, today i get the cant get lock notification

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iamlindoro_:

decomp: yep, 5C is per program and not per channel, so it's not unrealistic to be able to tune one channel at one time, and not at another

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decomp:

cool thanks

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decomp:

very helpful

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iamlindoro_:

thus the major issue with firewire-- the fact that in most cases, you can't trust that you'll be able to record whatever you have scheduled

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iamlindoro_:

It's great when it's working most of the time... but if it's spotty (as it is for many people) then it's far more trouble than it's worth

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iamlindoro_:

as pruning out a series of empty/failed recording is not my personal idea of fun

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decomp:

im learning that lol

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GreyFoxx:

Todays media industry, shitting on the little guy

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** GreyFoxx hugs his cable company **

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iamlindoro_:

also helpful is the firewire_primer.pl script in contrib in trunk

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iamlindoro_:

I have that cron'ed for 5 and 35 after every hour

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decomp:

good idea

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iamlindoro_:

it checks with the DB and sees if the firewire tuner is in use. If it si, it does nothing. If it's not, it primes the connection

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iamlindoro_:

er if it is

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iamlindoro_:

thus an idle firewire box is primerd twice an hour

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iamlindoro_:

er primed

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decomp:

iamlindoro: you ever have an issue with the prime failing?

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iamlindoro_:

prime will only fail if a) the channel/program is 5C, b) you have the wrong settings, or c) you don't give it enough repeats to stabilize

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decomp:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro_:

First thing to try is change to a nework channel like NBC, CBS, ABC which is unlikely to be 5C and retry

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MrGandalf:

hmm, seems djmount doesn't like PlayOn.. not as easy as I thought to see the stream.

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sphery:

I'd like to see different "storage groups profiles" available, but won't have a chance to code anything like that for quite some time.

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iamlindoro_:

New Macbook Pros look neato

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MrGandalf:

blah

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iamlindoro_:

"A x16 video card should work in a x1 slot if you are willing to make some

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iamlindoro_:

physical modifications to either the slot or the card. You would also

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iamlindoro_:

need to make sure you have enough clearance for the card in your case.

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iamlindoro_:

(I take no responsibility for any damage caused by this advice ;-)."

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iamlindoro_:

gah

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iamlindoro_:

sorry, meant to be on one line-- anyway, yay users list

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Dagmar:

Please, feel free to tell that person to not post again for at least a year

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: My motherboard has a x4 slot that's notched out on the end, so that larger cards can be used in it.

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Dagmar:

"either the slot or the card" <-- sign of idiocy

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iamlindoro_:

and the little caveat at the end which more or less means "I have never done this nor am I sure it is true. Let me know if it works!"

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Dagmar:

iamliindoro: Oh wait, you should suggest he use mustard cooling. Yep, jjust take a big tub, fill it with mustard, and drop the whole computer in to keep it cool. ...and of course take no responsibility for any damage caused by that advice.

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** iamlindoro_ hears the faint sounds of dremeling echo across the users list **

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: hehe

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I've even got an el-cheapo pc-chips mb that has a physical x16 slot, but only operates in x8 mode... bums...

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Dagmar:

Bogon emitters must bs snuffed

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: bummer

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gbee:

last time I ever record a film after 1a.m., spoilt by the woman waving her arms in the corner >:(

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I didn't realize the deaf were purely nocturnal in the UK, anyway :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Ah, I just bought it for a cheap frontend... something like $80 with an Athlon 64 3200+, 512mb ram, and IIRC, built-in nvidia gfx...

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gbee:

why do they need signing when they have subtitles? and why don't they use some MHEG trickery for the signing if they must have it?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: heh, guess they expect deaf people to record it

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wagnerrp:

what is the command that lets you watch file system access?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, Deaf people can use myth as good as us... ;-) Now the Blind would be a whole other issue... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

Not that we don't have blind users...

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gbee:

I've no objection to subtitles, because they can be enabled/disabled, I'm just wondering why for a minority they'd ruin the film for the rest of us

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why you would ever put a woman in the corner of the screen waving their arms

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kormoc:

depends on what they are wearing...

[18:11:04]

wagnerrp:

i cant imagine interpreting hand signals would be faster than reading text

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gbee:

heh, kormoc beat me to the punchline ;)

[18:11:28]

gbee:

wagnerrp: or any easier

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jblack:

Sign language can convey emotions that text cannot.

[18:11:30]

wagnerrp:

considering the rest of the world manages to keep up with subtitles in foreign films just fine

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gbee:

jblack: does the body language of actors on screen not do that just as well?

[18:12:03]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A – the cvs head for lirc has new patches to support the LCD out properly – so if you want to get your imon working, it should be pretty easy now

[18:12:07]

jblack:

Look. They're deaf. Cut 'em a break.

[18:12:35]

iamlindoro_:

Fairly certain most deaf people don't want to be cut a break

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wagnerrp:

thats what the text is for, thats what tty machines are for

[18:12:46]

wagnerrp:

optional content

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wagnerrp:

not forced content such as something overlayed over the main video feed

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jblack:

Let's just settle on something similiar to the anthropic principle. It happens, there must be a value.

[18:13:50]

wagnerrp:

if you want to overlay video to aid the hard of hearing, it better be richard prior

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: Ooh... ;-) Cool. I'll have to start playing with that case again soon...

[18:14:38]

gbee:

far more people with hearing problems can read text than understand sign language

[18:14:49]

jblack:

Maybe there are illiterate, deaf people that can read sign

[18:15:05]

kormoc:

jblack, so being sucked into a black hole has value? cause, ya know, that happens

[18:16:15]

jblack:

kormoc: Hmmmm. Well, let's look at that. How many people have you heard of falling into a black hole, outside of various disney films?

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iamlindoro_:

The sign language thing predates closed captions-- likely the UK has some bizarre ancient regulation that says X hours of television per day must have sign interpreters

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iamlindoro_:

and that nobody has bothered to replace it with some regulation that says all programs must contain CC

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fryfrog:

yay, black holes!

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kormoc:

jblack, ooh, so you're only limiting your statement to people? So then I'll godwin ya, Hitler happened, so he had value?

[18:16:57]

gbee:

seems more likely that some deaf rights group petitioned the government for laws to promote/protect their language – much like why we're all subsidising a Gaelic TV channel when less than 60,000 people understand the language

[18:17:22]

jblack:

kormoc: Intentially attempting a godwin renders godwin impotent.

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sphery:

heh... My HDD with root partition on one of my systems failed. 3 boots after the failure, I get a SMART message saying that my HDD failed.

[18:17:35]

jblack:

Notwithstanding, I'll fall for your bait.

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fryfrog:

sphery: ahahha

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: not very SMART, eh???

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jblack:

Some people, not including myself, thought hitler was very effective for goals they wanted met.

[18:17:59]

fryfrog:

google says smart is not so awesome :p

[18:18:01]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: "Dear user, I see you've just returned home with a new had drive. Note, your current hard drive appears to have an issue. May want to look into that."

[18:18:07]

iamlindoro_:

s/had/hard/

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sphery:

yeah, more like SMART-a**

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** jblack generally tries for tolerance of others. **

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sphery:

the annoying part is the SMART error just makes me have to hit F1 to boot, so it's actually slowing the recovery process I'm attempting

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jblack:

taking it back to arm waving.

[18:19:17]

jblack:

sphery: Did you check smart at all before the error, I.E. did you notice any prefailure conditions?

[18:19:26]

kormoc:

jblack, meh, saying that if something happens, it must have value seems to take political correctness to a very high extreme

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: That's ok, I had 6 500's in a Raid5... checked the raid before shutting down for a re-boot, everything was fine. No SMART messages logged... But upon coming back up (hard power down btw), one drive spin-click-spin-click — and a 2nd one spun up fine but refused to produce data... DOH!!!!!

[18:20:12]

jblack:

So, you think I'm unreasonable to think that there must be some deaf people out there that appreciate hand waving.

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sphery:

jblack: I wasn't monitoring it regularly. The system had been running for >1mo, and when I rebooted, it had a failure which prevented the boot (I think the failed portion contains the journal for the filesystem)

[18:20:57]

jblack:

Ahh. Snuck up on ya.

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kormoc:

so for the most part, SMART works for me, but it terrified me one day, cause it emailed me saying I lost a drive in my raid-5 and then emailed me a few minutes later with lost a drive in my raid-1, freaked me out that my drives were failing back to back...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: ouch!

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, it seems all my failures are like that--fine until a reboot. too many spin ups or whatever

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kormoc:

jblack, not at all, I purely find the 'if it happens it has value' statement rather... hard

[18:22:06]

kormoc:

sphery, which is why the old saying, 'never spin down a drive' still holds true today

[18:22:27]

kormoc:

some folks actually hook up their drives to a different power supply so they never power off, even on reboots

[18:22:27]

scant:

My dtv channels in MythWeb channel editor doesn't have any XMLTVIDs attached to any of them, but I have guide data and a separate digital only video source for channels from schedules direct in mythtv-setup. How can I determine if the guide data coming from EIT or my digital only video source lineup from schedules direct?

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sphery:

I agree with gbee that for a digital broadcast they should make the sign language portion a separate stream that's overlayed if requested, though. Helps those who want it and doesn't block 1/4 of the picture for those who don't.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Thankfully I setup this system with a hardware Raid1 for the OS, so even though I lost the Raid5 (2.5TB!), it was just recorings... my entire OS and myth environment all survived, minus the recordings...

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sphery:

back to attempting to recover some/all of the system...

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wagnerrp:

lsof, thats what i was looking for

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xris:

scant: EIT is rarely more than 3 days

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gbee:

in the US

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scant:

xris: yes I have like more than a week

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scant:

xris: I don't understand how I can have guide data associated with channels if those channels in the MythWeb channel editor have no associated XMLTVIDs

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iamlindoro_:

More specifically, if you don't have two weeks worth, odds are it's not SD

[18:28:16]

iamlindoro_:

if you have a week, you might just be more fortunate with regards to EIT

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scant:

in terms of guide data details for programs, is there a adifference between the details EIT gives vs the details SD gives?

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iamlindoro_:

sometimes yes, sometimes no

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iamlindoro_:

if they use TMS as their source for EIT, then there is unlikely to be a difference

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xris:

iamlindoro_: TMS offers several layers of descriptive info, too. EIT might only use short description.. or might not update the feed daily,e tc.

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iamlindoro_:

xris: ok. Well all the same, my answer is/was a qualified "maybe"

[18:30:57]

iamlindoro_:

but I didn't know that, good to know

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xris:

I have the advantage of having studied their raw data format. :)

[18:31:22]

scant:

hmm, is there a definitive way to determine EIT or SD besides guide data less than 1 week?

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, scant, you can always pull up mythtv-setup and pull up the source and see if the "use on air guide for this source" is checked

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** tmiw yawns **

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scant:

if both EIT and SD are available to me, is one better than the other?

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iamlindoro_:

SD is likely to be longer and more descriptive

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iamlindoro_:

as xris mentioned-- EIT will rarely be more than a few days-- a week is exceptional in the US... SD is consistently two weeks.

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scant:

can SD be more than 2 weeks?

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iamlindoro_:

and won't randomly disappear on your if the broadcast screws around with the stream

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iamlindoro_:

scant: no.

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scant:

ok, i'll check the settings, thanks for the guidance

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tmiw:

hmm, so I'm considering a second card for my mythtv machine.

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tmiw:

I was going to go with the PVR-500, but I hear the quality's not so great as the 350.

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tmiw:

hmm

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iamlindoro_:

nonsense

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wagnerrp:

never used a 250/350, i cant discuss quality

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kormoc:

the pvr 150 was a huge upgrade from my 250

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kormoc:

quality wise, a ton cleaner

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iamlindoro_:

Indeed. a 150 or 500 of semi-recent manufacture will wipe the floor with a 250 or 350

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iamlindoro_:

But then again, we're comparing a whole mess of cards, none of which are made any more

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wagnerrp:

the 150s were cancelled in... late 2006?

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I think they started dropping 1600s in the boxes about then

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** tmiw was going to go find them on ebay anyway **

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iamlindoro_:

although you could still buy a 150 until about 4–6 months ago

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tmiw:

but yeah

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iamlindoro_:

new, that is

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kormoc:

doesn't seem to be, they're still listed on their website and newegg still sells them new

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kormoc:

although, I might have missed something

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MrGandalf:

my 500 has quite dirty video comared to my old 250.

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wagnerrp:

newegg sells a '150', but for several years there has been a 1600 in the box

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scant:

I've always wondered if there is a noticable PQ difference between the PVR-150,250,350

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iamlindoro_:

only search result for PVR-150 I am seeing on newegg is a deactivated open box

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MrGandalf:

it has everything to do with the tuner on board.

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scant:

wouldn't it be tuner and encoder?

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kormoc:

scant, the 150 and 500 is the same chip, the 250 and 350 is the same chip, so it would be split that way

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I've used all 4... 150, 250, 350 and 500. All are equivalent according to my eyes... Excellent quality IMHO.

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scant:

J-e-f-f-A|work: thanks for the info, that's what I would have thought, even if different components are used

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A|work, my 250 was rather snowy and my 150 is very much not

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Although — let me further qualify that — I have only used the S-Video inputs – not the Tuners.

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kormoc:

svideo as well

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MrGandalf:

the tuner also controls the s-video in

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

So, they may have differences in TUNER quality, but not as far as I've seen for the mpeg encoders.

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** sphery writes off the contents of the failed HDD **

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scant:

I have 2 PVR-150's, but one isn't be used because it was repalced by a HVR-1600

[18:56:23]

scant:

If Sirius and XM are now the same, which of these guides should I use? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrate_XM http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrate_Sirius

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I haven't used my 150 or 350 for over a year, and took my 250 out of my backend a couple of months ago to make room for a HD-5500. (which I have subsequently taken out since I replaced the HD-3000 and HD-5500 with a HDHomeRun, but never put the 250 back in...)

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fryfrog:

i've got 2 air2pc cards and 1 pvr 500 benched :/

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iamlindoro_:

HVR-1250, btw, if all one needed was a nice QAM tuner, was absolutely effortless.

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tmiw:

yeah

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tmiw:

I'd get another QAM tuner, probably another 800i, if TW didn't encrypt everything but the basic HD channels.

[19:01:14]

tmiw:

then again, scan did find a lot of unnamed channels

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

The only thing I'm fighting with on my PVR-500 recently is the 2nd tuner often gets 'scratchy' audio, like it was sampled at 44khz and played back at 48khz or something... Tried a couple of 'hacks' I found to issue v4l2-ctl commands to switch the audio after channel-change, but haven't figured it out yet...

[19:01:31]

tmiw:

so maybe I just need to sit down and watch them all

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iamlindoro_:

Many will be untuneable-- a majority of the unnamed channels found in a given scan are VOD channels that disappear once the VOD stream ends

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fryfrog:

stupid vod and shopping network channels :p

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scant:

I've read that it's possible with QAM to tune to VOD, but I've never been able to...

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: Hey, I have a tuner just FOR GemTV!

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wagnerrp:

vod channels are usually unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

so all it takes is for you to do a channel scan while someone is using one

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: not so, depends entirely on where you are

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iamlindoro_:

oh, whoops

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iamlindoro_:

I'm a bad readur

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

read it as "encrypted"

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wagnerrp:

you can do it with a tuner card, you can do it with your tv

[19:05:28]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, yeah, as wagnerrp and I said-- the VOD streams disappear after the program is done, so you probably let too long a time elapse between the scan and the watch

[19:05:29]

wagnerrp:

there was some article on salon.com (i think) a couple years ago, detailing the experience

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scant:

I've never been able to see a VOD channel un-named channel, but I think it locks on...

[19:05:43]

iamlindoro_:

If you're quick enough in the evening you can get some porno though

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iamlindoro_:

In the afternoon I seem to get a lot of Dora the Explorer on demand :)

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scant:

It just comes up with a blank/black screen

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iamlindoro_:

scant: If you get audio, then those are likely your "radio" channels

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wagnerrp:

ah, slate.com

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iamlindoro_:

which also exist in abundance in the unnamed channels

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wagnerrp:

http://www.slate.com/id/2167389/pagenum/all/

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scant:

iamlindoro_: nothing comes through, but it says locked(if i remember correctly) and i've tuned to them right after a scan

[19:07:24]

iamlindoro_:

scant: Likely just that you missed the stream.

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iamlindoro_:

people's attention spans are *low*. the average lifetime for a VOD stream is probably in the single digit minutes

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scant:

iamlindoro_: is that because... if the VOD unamed channels were encrypted, I wouldn't be able to lock on?

[19:08:29]

iamlindoro_:

scant: If they were encyrpted, assuming you didn't muck with myth to MAKE it add the encrypted channels, they would never get added at all

[19:08:57]

scant:

iamlindoro_: hmmm... I gotta try this then, I want to see some VOD...

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KjetilK:

I'm trying to play an ISO I ripped. If I play it directly with vlc it plays fine, but if I play it with myth, the frontend crashes with libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 2 (VTS_02_0.IFO).

[19:09:18]

iamlindoro_:

scant: Almost invariably not worth the effort

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KjetilK:

I suspect the same thing happens if I try to play the original DVD

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scant:

KjetilK: does it?

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scant:

KjetilK: try the original...

[19:09:52]

KjetilK:

scant: well, it does crash

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KjetilK:

but I haven't tested since I set myth to use vlc, but yeah, I'll try

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scant:

KjetilK: you also have the option of using the Internal MythTV player to play DVDs

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fryfrog:

i think that is what he means that it crashes?

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scant:

fryfrog: he just said, I set myth to use VLC, so.... I dunno

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i think he means, since it was crashing he switched to vlc

[19:12:10]

fryfrog:

but... who knows

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KjetilK:

actually, it did work

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scant:

KjetilK: please verify, are you using VLC or the Internal MythTV player to play DVDs??? which is it?

[19:13:06]

KjetilK:

errr

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KjetilK:

I was a bit unsure now

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scant:

KjetilK: just look at your settings, if it says "Internal" you're using Internal, if it says something else, that's what you're using

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KjetilK:

ok, most of my DVDs was crashing mythfrontend yesterday, so I went into the video settings and told it to use vlc, but come to think of it, that might not be the actual DVD player

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scant:

KjetilK: what is it now?

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gbee:

or does the mythtv osd display when you press menu or info when video is playing?

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scant:

gbee: considering that some of his/her DVDs crash MythTV, that's not the best way to determine

[19:18:03]

gbee:

couldn't be bothered to read back :)

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scant:

huh?

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gbee:

does he have decss installed?

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gbee:

scant: I didn't read that – and I wasn't going to go back and read the last 10, 20 minutes or whatever of conversation to get that context

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KjetilK:

hmmm, well, if you by it means the thing one sets in "Utilities/Setup" -> "SetUp" -> "Media Settings" -> "Video Settings" -> "Player"

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scant:

gbee: ah

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KjetilK:

then it is vlc

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gbee:

KjetilK: post more of the log to http://pastebin.ca

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scant:

KjetilK: there are 3 player commands, did you look at the right one?

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gbee:

I'm guessing that you might be missing libdvdcss

[19:21:07]

scant:

gbee: I dunno about that, he/she said he ripped, doesn't that usually imply no css?

[19:21:10]

gbee:

without which encrypted DVDs (most of them) won't play and will usually crash any player, vlc, myth etc

[19:21:29]

gbee:

scant: just checked, he said ripped to ISO – meaning css included

[19:22:04]

scant:

oh, I didn't know people actually ripped to ISO and included css

[19:22:05]

gbee:

'ripping' to ISO doesn't get rid of CSS since the ISO is a bit for bit copy of the DVD

[19:23:12]

gbee:

some tools will rip, decode and then recompile it back into a DVD compliant ISO, but he didn't specify and so I'm guessing that's not the case

[19:23:25]

scant:

i would guess that is the case, we shall see

[19:23:57]

** KjetilK was on the phone a bit, but here it is: http://pastebin.ca/1227124 **

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scant:

what I'm guessing is, he/she ripped to ISO and either messed around with PUOs, CSS, or some other structure and that's why the ripped copy doesn't work

[19:25:35]

KjetilK:

but the strange thing in this case was that vlc played the ISO allright, mythtv now plays the original DVD allright, bu mythfrontend crashed when trying to play the ISO

[19:25:58]

GlemSom:

I'm trying to find some usefull documentation about lirc... I would like to use the irrecord program to record a config file for my Sony remote (I'm not able to find a working file on the lirc website). When I launch irrecord it just says press enter to continue – it does not say what I need to do here? do I need to keep pressing one button, more buttons.. noting... ?

[19:26:03]

RyeBrye:

Sweet. My Q9550 at 3.6 Ghz handles 13.5 megabit single-sliced H.264 with no issues whatsoever – although it does git a little stutter if I timestretch it much past 1.5x

[19:26:33]

RyeBrye:

GlemSom – yes, just keep pushing buttons util the little dots go across the screen

[19:27:06]

RyeBrye:

GlemSom – the first step is it needs to dtermine what the modulation is on the remote signal

[19:27:28]

scant:

RyeBrye: cool

[19:27:51]

RyeBrye:

I just tested it using the 500 meg 13.5 megabit clip that was linked to from the wiki

[19:28:02]

RyeBrye:

It's a 4 minute clip of some documentary on the grand canyon

[19:28:24]

RyeBrye:

What's cool is that it plays back better on my MythTV box with no hardware acceleration than it does on my MacBook Pro which has hardware acceleration

[19:28:51]

** RyeBrye realizes that the computer he uses on a daily basis to make money is far less powerful than the machine he just built for entertainment **

[19:30:09]

scant:

RyeBrye: hehe, that's the way it goes, computer video games and now video editing/watching has always driven computer upgrades

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GlemSom:

RyeBrye, Well, it accepts that – but when I'm asked to name a button – and then press it – it just says "something is wrong", I tried the --force option. But the generated configurationfile does not work (tested with irw)...

[19:30:52]

scant:

RyeBrye: I should test that clip, hmmmmmm

[19:31:49]

fryfrog:

anyone have a 939 X2 cpu they want to sell?

[19:32:06]

RyeBrye:

GlemSom – I had a problem with one of my Sony remotes before – it was a universal remote that was built to control multiple devices – I think the modulation frequency on some of the buttons was different so it kept getting confused

[19:32:07]

fryfrog:

(or trade, maybe)

[19:32:09]

scant:

KjetilK: I don't know how to solve your issue, I'm not very knowledgable, however, MythTV people I think suggest using the Internal player, and if a copy whether it be 1–1 or modified doesn't work and the original does work, most probably, the copy is bad, but it could be a bug or user error too...

[19:32:18]

RyeBrye:

GlemSom – is it a remote that is just for a TV or something?

[19:32:25]

scant:

RyeBrye: where's that clip?

[19:34:00]

GlemSom:

RyeBrye, It's a remote for my amp... Though – there are some "TV" buttons and "DVD" buttons like play and pause on there (never sued them though – since this remote came with a amp)

[19:34:15]

GlemSom:

sued=used...

[19:34:55]

RyeBrye:

GlemSom – I wonder if it's the same kind of issue – try just doing one button and seeing if that works with irw

[19:35:04]

RyeBrye:

It might be that it's getting confused with the modulation thing

[19:35:18]

RyeBrye:

I never got mine to work – which is a shame because it had so many nice buttons on it

[19:35:54]

RyeBrye:

scant: here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD-PVR under "Samples"

[19:36:25]

RyeBrye:

scant: I guess they are torrents. I'll open mine and seed it again in case there are no other seeds of that sample

[19:37:03]

scant:

There are 2 seeds

[19:37:29]

RyeBrye:

ok. I'm seeding it now too when it recognizes me

[19:37:58]

scant:

RyeBrye: nice, I don't think my 1.8GHz AthlonXP will be able to handle it

[19:38:34]

** J-e-f-f-A|work 's first experimental backend was a 1.7GHz AthlonXP... like 3 YEARS AGO!!!! **

[19:38:37]

RyeBrye:

Well... hopefully some multithreading support will come down the food chain to help make these things easier

[19:38:56]

RyeBrye:

I don't plan to upgrade my processor for 3+ years

[19:38:58]

** J-e-f-f-A|work (or was it 4 or 5... I've lost count!!!) **

[19:39:29]

iamlindoro_:

Don't expect the new ffmpeg multithreading any time soon-- the guy has disappeared off the planet.

[19:39:34]

GlemSom:

RyeBrye, Well, I cannot even get it to work with even one remote... Which is a shame... I got lirc working with two other remotes – but the sony remote is the one I really would like working :(

[19:39:37]

scant:

my 1.8GHz moble AthlonXP works ok, but I do want to upgrade

[19:39:52]

laga_:

iamlindoro_: :'(

[19:40:20]

iamlindoro_:

laga_: Not a word from him (even when prompted) for six weeks or so, and it's gonna be a BIG project to merge it into ffmpeg trunk-- my hopes are pegged pretty low

[19:40:35]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

GlemSom: It may be a RC5 (or is it RC6? can't remember) code remote, in which case I think you need to pass a flag to irrecord for it to work properly.

[19:40:38]

RyeBrye:

Hm. Wasn't it a GSOC thing?

[19:40:51]

iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye: Yes, it was. So?

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RyeBrye:

Just curious... It seems that most gsoc things related to myth end that way

[19:41:26]

iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye: It wasn't a myth project

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RyeBrye:

It wasn't a myth project, but myth woudl have benefited from it

[19:42:26]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, it would have (in theory). But since he hasn't shown any initiative on geting it merged into actual ffmpeg, I wouldn't expect much (or anything).

[19:42:53]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ok, let's start a conspiracy rumor – mayb he was bought off or knocked off by Microsoft? ;-)

[19:43:20]

RyeBrye:

I heard they found traces of blood in a prius near Redmond.

[19:44:05]

scant:

=)

[19:44:48]

iamlindoro_:

I have higher hopes for the xbmc-backed hardware GPU offload project

[19:45:05]

gbee:

isn't that the plot of a film? Microsoft thinly disguised is murdering OSS programmers and stealing their work?

[19:45:08]

iamlindoro_:

with any luck they'll make it accessible to something besides xbmc

[19:45:19]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: huh, I've spoke yesterday with astrange in #ffmpeg-devel

[19:45:33]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: ah! Good, any idea what he's up to with it?

[19:47:10]

RyeBrye:

wait... he came back from the dead?

[19:47:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

HE'S ALIVE! HALLELUJAH!!!! ;-)

[19:47:37]

gbee:

RyeBrye: you didn't see the film then? That was the major twist

[19:47:42]

iamlindoro_:

Nobody said he wasn't. I said he had disappeared ;)

[19:48:00]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: occupied with school but working on it

[19:48:35]

GlemSom:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Well, I have a hauppauge remote here aswell (which is a RC5)... I cannot make that work with irrecord either... Maybe I'm missing something here...

[19:48:43]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: That's good to hear. Hope he finds the time to get it in-- given how hard on patch-submitters ffmpeg seems to be, it is likely to be a long and potentially frustrating process

[19:48:43]

** gbee takes the double negative as a wink **

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scant:

RyeBrye: do those H.264 samples have a file extension? is the video in a container? which one?

[19:50:17]

iamlindoro_:

scant: The samples in those torrents do have extensions. Not that that means anything in relation to the container (other than as a hint)

[19:50:34]

iamlindoro_:

The extensions are mpg, and the containers are MPEG-2 Transport Streams.

[19:51:10]

scant:

iamlindoro_: thanks for the info

[19:51:28]

scant:

iamlindoro_: i know, that's why i asked for both extension and container

[19:51:52]

iamlindoro_:

scant: asking for the extension really doesn't give you any information

[19:52:11]

iamlindoro_:

It doesn't mean anything. I could name all my recordings .boobies if I liked

[19:52:14]

scant:

iamlindoro_: it tells me if my torrent client is naming the file correctly

[19:52:22]

** iamlindoro_ makes a mental note to rename all his recordings .boobies **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GlemSom: see http://www.lirc.org/faq.html — ~1/2 way down, "Software Setup" #4

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scant:

I get about 1 weeks worth of EIT data

[20:04:20]

GlemSom:

J-e-f-f-A, That was odd.. I'm using the RC-5.conf file with irrecord... it generates a new file... With looks fine (as far as I can see)... But irw does not react to it... :( (I've tried restarting the lirc deamon)

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scant:

does anyone here get 2 weeks of EIT data?

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iamlindoro_:

scant: Not in the US

[20:17:16]

scant:

how unusual is it that I'm getting 1 week of EIT data?

[20:17:46]

iamlindoro_:

Pretty unusual for the US

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scant:

is EIT only for digital? or is EIT data sent for NTSC channels as well?

[20:19:20]

iamlindoro_:

digital only

[20:19:54]

scant:

what is the term for the data that some NTSC tvs can show that give the program name, channel callsign, etc?

[20:20:41]

iamlindoro_:

Whatever that is would have to be in the VBI, but I've never seen any such thing

[20:20:53]

scant:

I belive some Panasonics have it

[20:21:11]

scant:

but I think I've only seen it over broadcast

[20:21:12]

GreyFoxx:

guide+

[20:21:31]

scant:

no, i don't think it's guide+

[20:21:36]

GreyFoxx:

there is guide+ and another standard, but they are not well documented and I don't know of any consumer hardware or software to read it

[20:21:45]

GreyFoxx:

the vbi data in some areas on some channels includes listings in

[20:21:46]

GreyFoxx:

fo

[20:22:02]

scant:

hmm, cool

[20:22:04]

GreyFoxx:

I've yet to see anysoftware for decoding it though

[20:22:11]

iamlindoro_:

XDS

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scant:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Data_Services

[20:23:02]

scant:

just checked it out...

[20:23:13]

iamlindoro_:

looks like it's not in the future, though, just for the current program

[20:23:18]

scant:

XDS is probably what I'm thinking of

[20:23:45]

scant:

just for note: I believe I've seen a Panasonic TV that supports it

[20:24:02]

Gnea:

which one?

[20:24:15]

scant:

i'll find out as soon as I go over to that persons house

[20:24:20]

Gnea:

:)

[20:24:34]

scant:

cause when I saw it, I was like, oh, I want that =)

[20:24:41]

Gnea:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I think access to Guide+ would be neat. My Dads TV gets a couple days of guide info over the wire, including channel icons and such

[20:25:01]

scant:

but this person only has broadcast, so, XDS probably isn't sent over cable, I dunno

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** GreyFoxx really heads out now **

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sphery:

I thought Guide+ was always encrypted...

[20:27:45]

scant:

is it ok to have both EIT and schedules direct for a channel?

[20:27:58]

iamlindoro_:

no. One or the other.

[20:28:10]

iamlindoro_:

They don't behave nicely on the same channel

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scant:

So, in the MythWeb channel editor, either use a XMLTVID and disable the EIT checkbox or, enable the EIT checkbox and leave the XMLTVID blank?

[20:29:58]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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scant:

k, thanks

[20:30:04]

iamlindoro_:

no

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iamlindoro_:

er np

[20:30:07]

iamlindoro_:

hehe

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k-man_:

do you have to restart the mythtv-frontend when you modify lircrc? or can you send it an HUP to get it to reread the config?

[20:31:05]

iamlindoro_:

needs a restart AFAIK

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Gnea:

got the firmware installed, but no go :(

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RyeBrye:

scant – the video sample is in an mpg container. I loaded the sample in mythvideo and it played back using the internal player

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scant:

RyeBrye: cool, I think I'm receiving from your seed

[20:49:12]

scant:

RyeBrye: cause it went up from 2 to 3 seeds

[20:49:26]

scant:

RyeBrye: and from 2 to 3 connections

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Gnea:

[ 48.571423] cx18–0: Autodetected Hauppauge HVR-1600

[20:50:05]

Gnea:

[ 48.571426] cx18–0: VBI is not yet supported

[20:50:08]

Gnea:

:/

[20:50:09]

scant:

RyeBrye: you getting a HD PVR?

[20:50:14]

iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye: MPG extension, MPEG-2 TS container

[20:50:37]

scant:

Gnea: I have a HVR-1600

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scant:

Gnea: ATSC/QAM VBI *Ithink* is supported

[20:51:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

3Cheve11e1397

[20:51:42]

Gnea:

scant: i'm trying to get it to work with just (for now) standard analog cable connection (just a vcr) and it's not doing anything.

[20:51:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

.oops, wrong window...

[20:51:56]

Gnea:

i'm about to throw it in the garbage

[20:52:09]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, enough with torrents, http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdpvr/

[20:52:10]

scant:

Gnea: some people in here would suggest that

[20:52:36]

scant:

iamlindoro_: thx for the link, is that your site?

[20:52:37]

Gnea:

scant: well, i didn't pay for it, so i can't. however, the recommendation for the card came from this channel.

[20:52:42]

iamlindoro_:

scant: yes

[20:53:04]

scant:

iamlindoro: nice

[20:53:55]

Gnea:

scant: loaded firmware, mythtv-setup finds it, but it doesn't parse anything. why?

[20:54:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

GlemSom: When you're back... Now you need to add the contents of that file to your lirc config file.

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kormoc:

Gnea, new enough driver version? outside of that, you're not gonna get anything

[20:55:32]

Gnea:

kormoc: i should hope so: v4l-dvb-5ecdeaaa5171

[20:55:49]

scant:

Gnea: so, for the HVR-1600, there are a few hardware revision, but for mine, I actually have to type in the 'Video device' under 2. 'Capture Cards in mythtv-setup, for me, the video device is /dev/video0

[20:56:18]

Gnea:

scant: yeah, it finds /dev/video0 just fine and all of the links that go with it

[20:56:50]

Gnea:

scant: how can i tell what revision mine is? is it on the card itself or is there a way to check from cli?

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scant:

I think the only way is to look at the tuner on the card, I dunno, some of the ivtv, mythtv wikipages have more information, and they basically say the information out there is unreliable

[20:57:52]

scant:

I can tell you I purchased mine retail in a red and white box, and it works

[20:58:05]

Gnea:

same color as mine

[20:58:06]

Gnea:

hrm

[20:58:18]

scant:

Gnea: the revision matters more on if you can do QAM or not anyways

[20:58:18]

Gnea:

does yours have a model on it?

[20:58:38]

scant:

Gnea: model on it? model on the card? on the box?

[20:58:45]

Gnea:

scant: on the box.

[20:59:07]

Gnea:

well according to dmesg... [ 49.206361] DVB: registering frontend 0 (Samsung S5H1409 QAM/8VSB Frontend)...

[20:59:07]

scant:

1199

[20:59:12]

Gnea:

1178

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scant:

Gnea: cool, you got QAM or so it says at least

[21:00:03]

Gnea:

i have no idea what that is

[21:00:11]

Gnea:

all i know is, this shit isn't working :)

[21:00:32]

scant:

Gnea: start from the beginning, can you plug the cable into a tv and get reception?

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Gnea:

the card takes input, it doesn't do output, so no.

[21:01:16]

Gnea:

...

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scant:

Gnea: no, i mean can u take the cable that's going into the card, unplug it, plug that same exact cable into a tv, and get reception?

[21:01:44]

Gnea:

i had the cable plugged into a PVR-350 and it was working fine about 2 hours ago.

[21:02:03]

Gnea:

nothing with that setup has changed

[21:02:09]

scant:

Gnea: do u use schedulesdirect?

[21:02:17]

Gnea:

direct?

[21:02:26]

Gnea:

no, it's not used for regular tv watching (yet)

[21:02:43]

scant:

Gnea: can you do a channel scan and does the channel scan detect channels?

[21:02:57]

Gnea:

there's no way to do that.

[21:03:09]

Gnea:

if i launch mythtv and select "watch tv" it doesn't do anything.

[21:03:20]

scant:

Gnea: channel scanning is done in mythtv-setup

[21:03:40]

Gnea:

i didn't see the option, but maybe i overlooked it... sec

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scant:

Gnea: other things you can try which may or may not be helpful are, removing other cards in your box, changing the PCI slot the HVR-1600 card is plugged into, perhaps a BIOS setting, rollback to an older driver, I know kormoc just said use the newest ones, but if the newest one isn't working, maybe an older one will

[21:05:56]

kormoc:

scant, well, give the newest version of the driver said VBI is not supported, it's unlikely older versions will support it...

[21:06:12]

scant:

kormoc: he's not getting reception

[21:06:20]

scant:

kormoc: he doesn't want VBI

[21:06:32]

scant:

kormoc: or he does want VBI, but that's not his immediate issue

[21:06:49]

kormoc:

I'm not paying attention then

[21:06:59]

kormoc:

cause that's what I thought he was after

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kormoc:

ahh well

[21:07:09]

scant:

Gnea if i launch mythtv and select "watch tv" it doesn't do anything.

[21:07:21]

scant:

3 minutes ago he/she said that

[21:08:23]

scant:

Gnea: also, you may want to delete/remove/clear out your old video sources and channel lineups, someone else on here can tell you if that's a good or bad idea, but i don't htink it can hurt

[21:09:16]

scant:

Gnea: lastly, perhaps your mythtv setup is borked and you need to redo/reinstall it, but i doubt that, other than the things i've listed, i'm not aware of anything else you can do and am interested in what others may have to say

[21:10:17]

scant:

iamlindoro_: so those samples? are they like copyrighted?

[21:10:20]

scant:

=)

[21:10:47]

iamlindoro_:

scant: A sample of a few seconds is unlikely to be an issue

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Gnea:

scant: okay, looks like i needed to scan for channels – it found a few and added them, then i went back and tried to watch tv... got a black/blank screen. nothing, nada. could not escape from it, had to switch to console and manually kill -9 the pid

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Gnea:

i wonder if this nvidia card is causing an issue

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iamlindoro_:

scant: If you are asking if you can share the link then no, please do not

[21:11:33]

scant:

iamlindoro_: i'm kidding, that's why i did the smile

[21:12:01]

scant:

iamlindoro_: i recently realized that archive.org also hosts public domain videos if that's something you're interested in

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iamlindoro_:

scant: not that interested in sharing them, I made them in the first day or two after the linux driver went public and forgot about them

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scant:

Gnea: if your other card worked fine, and this one doesn't, i don't think it's a nvidia issue, UNELSS you changed other settings inbetween the card switch

[21:13:27]

Gnea:

scant: i didn't, but i did have to swap the pci cards around to get everything to work right

[21:13:48]

scant:

iamlindoro_: no, that's not what i meant, i mean, if your curious about public domain videos, archive.org has some, and if your interested in using public domain videos as sources for H.264 samples, archive.org has source material

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iamlindoro_:

scant: I'm not

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iamlindoro_:

Thank you though

[21:14:09]

scant:

np

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Gnea:

[ 2760.370334] cx18–0: FW version: 0.0.71.0 (Release 2006/12/29)

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iamlindoro_:

People who ignore the "buy a really really beefy processor if you want to use high bitrates on the HD-PVR" advice deserve what they get :)

[21:14:39]

** GreyFoxx wonders if he has a good reason to update his kernel ..hmmmm **

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scant:

Gnea: i think you should delete all your cards, sources, and channels and start again, if this suggestion is inccoret, someone please chime in

[21:15:00]

Gnea:

scant: i've already done that

[21:15:15]

Gnea:

when i put the 1600 in, it was the first thing i did

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scant:

Gnea: I would do it one more time, the reason I say it, is because of human error, and the fact that you didn't know mythtv-setuup had a channel scanner, thus you might have missed something

[21:16:03]

GreyFoxx:

./tv.pl poweron

[21:16:05]

GreyFoxx:

oops

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scant:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

damn window focus

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iamlindoro_:

./troutGreyfoxx.sh --repeat 1000

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scant:

./tv.pl poweroff =)

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GreyFoxx:

scant: That would work actually :)

[21:16:54]

GreyFoxx:

I can control the flatscreen via a perlscript :)

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Gnea:

scant: okay

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scant:

GreyFoxx: coolio

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GreyFoxx:

poweron/off, setaspect, set input, backlight, ircode (for faking keys) etc etc

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GreyFoxx:

yay for the TV that comes with an rs232 port and the API on a CD :)

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scant:

Gnea: I hope you get it working, although if you're not using the HVR-1600 for digital tv, I'm not sure why you switched cards

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scant:

GreyFoxx: LCD or Plasma?

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GreyFoxx:

LCD

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scant:

GreyFoxx: 720 or 1080?

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GreyFoxx:

native res is 1366x768, so >720 <1080, capable of handling both though

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GreyFoxx:

I run the FE at 1360x768

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scant:

cool, I want to get a LCD 720, like inbetween 40" and 50" for around $500, but I don't think prices are that low yet

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** GreyFoxx watches his little dev vm compile and cheers it on **

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GreyFoxx:

I picked up this TV and a projector last Feb. my old 4:3 27" was starting to die :)

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** scant is out for a while, hope someone else can advise Gnea while I'm gone **

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GreyFoxx: Good reminder, I had forgotten that I was finally within reasonable serial cable length on my projector-- Maybe tonight I'll get serial power on and off finally mapped on my remote.

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, guests tonight... maybe this weekend

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squish102:

scant, prices are coming down, i picked up a new samsung 720p plasma for $579 from best buy

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squish102:

and that was the 50"

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squish102:

keep an eye on black friday, i'm sure there will be good deals then

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** tmiw wonders if he should go 1080p **

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kormoc:

I like 1081.252q

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tmiw:

it seems like 720p > 1080i depending on what you're watching

[23:03:18]

tmiw:

where the '>' means better quality than

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tmiw:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6810011-1.html

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iamlindoro:

Wow, I'm kinda amazed, apcupsd is far easier to set up/far more capable than its windows bastard cousin

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

remember that apcupsd is unofficial – you're meant to use PowerChute

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iamlindoro:

yeah, first time playing with it. I was girding myself for a nightmare

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Dead Space out there yet?

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directhex:

games release on fridays.

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iamlindoro:

ah, Tuesdays here

[23:30:37]

iamlindoro:

Friday is more sensible

[23:30:59]

iamlindoro:

keep the kids (and adults) focused at school

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PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: you can run apcupsd on windows, too

[23:38:03]

iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, would be worth thinking about if I had any windows systems any more :)

[23:38:08]

PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: had an old copy of Powerchute that came with an SU1000. It didn't like Win2k3 Server. Wound up installing apcupsd on it instead – works like a charm.

[23:38:42]

iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, yeah, it seems very simple.. was gearing up for a fight with the fact that it was serial, too, but nope, started without complaint

[23:38:42]

PinkFreud:

iamlindoro: sadly, I still admin Windows boxes at work.

[23:38:53]

iamlindoro:

PinkFreud, likewise

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PinkFreud:

state uni. we tend to hang on to hardware longer than we should. :)

[23:40:16]

PinkFreud:

(cheaper to replace the battery on the SU1000. Still works nicely, too. :) )

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PinkFreud:

hehe.

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iamlindoro:

Power co doing transformer work in my area this week, so I dragged home this little APC 620 that is too small to put on our workstations.. thought it would at least be USB, but nope, just a little, classic serial thing

[23:42:02]

iamlindoro:

I have a feeling with then replacing a transformer, though, I am probably better off just shutting everything down (if I remember to)

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PinkFreud:

ahh, nice

[23:42:17]

PinkFreud:

yeah, probably. you'll likely be without power for some time.

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iamlindoro:

and if I neglect to, at least this will remember for me now

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PinkFreud:

my br-800 tended to run for about 10–15 min with two machines on it.

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iamlindoro:

I'm guessing I'll get about 10 (it's one machine w/ 13 drives, two cable boxes, a reciever, and some little random things)

[23:43:51]

PinkFreud:

might get less on the 620

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iamlindoro:

apcupsd is showing 3 mins runtime at 20% power

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PinkFreud:

that must be one monster chassis.

[23:44:18]

PinkFreud:

yeah, I'd believe that

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iamlindoro:

yeah, biggest case I could find... it's actually got amazing airflow (Lian Li v2000)

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PinkFreud:

depending on the condition of the battery, you might get less, too

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iamlindoro:

sorry, I meant 20% charge

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iamlindoro:

so assuming that's linear, it would be 15 minutes-- so I'm being conservative and calling it 10

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PinkFreud:

I thought the chassis I picked up for a machine named 'balrog' was big.

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iamlindoro:

it's 60% load right now

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PinkFreud:

(it can hold 9 drives)

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PinkFreud:

ahh, ok

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PinkFreud:

Chenbro SR107 here

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PinkFreud:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . on%20Chassis for that monster

[23:47:39]

PinkFreud:

yikes

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iamlindoro:

holy painlink

[23:47:42]

PinkFreud:

holy crud, that's a long url

[23:47:54]

PinkFreud:

sorry about that

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iamlindoro:

s'ok ;)

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PinkFreud:

http://tinyurl.com/4pqu3t

[23:48:23]

** directhex has an 11-bay case for home **

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PinkFreud:

same thing, only *slightly* shorter :P

[23:48:46]

iamlindoro:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/lian-li . . . plus-2-5.jpg

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iamlindoro:

Mine-- 19 bays

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PinkFreud:

yow. that thing's not meant to hold a motherboard, is it? :P

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** PinkFreud ducks **

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iamlindoro:

hehe, full ATX baby!

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PinkFreud:

extended ATX on mine.

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I have a correspondingly behemoth mobo

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PinkFreud:

(I needed it, too. Dropped a 12"x13" dual Opteron board in the Chenbro)

[23:51:14]

PinkFreud:

... there's a reason the machine is named balrog.

[23:51:16]

PinkFreud:

:)

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iamlindoro:

My hostnames are boring

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iamlindoro:

$lastname-mythtv

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PinkFreud:

lacking imagination. :P

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** PinkFreud runs like hell **

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iamlindoro:

I ahve an 8-core at work named Dr-octopus

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PinkFreud:

lol

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