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Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 00:04 UTC
[00:04:03] ** stuarta sacks everyone for being juvenile **
[00:04:53] Chicago: Is this the right channel to ask questions?
[00:05:30] cafuego: does it really need realtime privs?
[00:05:39] ** stuarta checks the directions of the wind **
[00:05:44] cafuego: You could just renice it
[00:06:26] Chicago: cafuego: renice on X, mythbackend, mythfrontend is still jumpy when I have the CPU doing other things. With realtime-lsm, I was able to keep the CPU pegged and still watch/encode without it being jittery.
[00:06:48] Chicago: I never figured out howto make the right priority adjustments after 2.6.23 w/ realtime.
[00:07:36] stuarta: i've never bothered (w/ realtime prio)
[00:08:00] Chicago: It is a bother
[00:08:39] cafuego: hmm, i suppose mine offloads transcode/commflag to another box
[00:09:15] Chicago: Well... that's not the problem either. I am running an mencoder job which goes to use all idle time. This was supported previously using realtime-lsm module.
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[00:17:56] Chicago: Thanks for thinking about it though :)
[00:25:51] t0vig: so... no one's playing with cross-compiling?
[00:27:22] stuarta: it's rare...
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[00:38:50] Blaidd: I've got a different question for folks. What's the best way to add a third ir transmitter to a system. i have two working from one of the MCE remote kits.
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[00:44:20] justinh: the best way? whichever way works for you
[00:44:41] justinh: buy another MCE remote kit, or if you have a spare serial port use a serial blaster
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[00:46:53] Blaidd: but it's possible to add a second mce remote kit into the system
[00:46:59] Blaidd: (I mean without conflicts)
[00:49:57] mchou: I dont think that's going to be possible
[00:50:16] justinh: probably difficult to tell them apart unless you can name them absolutely with a udev rule
[00:50:22] mchou: don think the IR stuff is "keyed"
[00:50:31] Blaidd: I don't supposed there's been any luck getting the HVR-1600 onboard blaster working?
[00:50:37] mchou: dont*
[00:50:54] mchou: Blaidd: why you say that?
[00:51:10] Blaidd: because I"m running that card as one of the two cards I'm running
[00:52:09] Blaidd: mchou: I've been lokoing around and the only posts I can find about the 1600 ir blaster and they all say it doesn't really work
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[00:52:36] justinh: that's a different matter. one which might involve some research on your part
[00:53:04] Blaidd: justinh: I've already been looking and all I can find is something saying it doesn't work, and nothing else
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[00:53:35] mchou: Blaidd: I havent tried mine, but that just uses i2c
[00:53:52] Blaidd: mchou: alright. Thanks
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[00:54:49] mchou: Blaidd: what does the inet say re ir rx on 1600? What's the reason it doesnt work?
[00:55:45] Blaidd: mchou: in the posts I've seen it says that the PVR-150 firmware is reverse angineered, and because the HVR-1600 firmware is different, things don't really work .. j/s.. let me find it
[00:56:14] Blaidd: mchou: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/39009
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[00:57:05] LanUser: Hello – mythtv-setup seems to crash when I do a scan for channels, does this look normal? -->http://rafb.net/p/0Q1clT84.html
[00:58:09] mchou: Blaidd: ok. makes sense
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[00:58:46] mchou: Blaidd: but the truth is I gave up on 1600 even as a ATSC/QAM card, never mind the remote
[00:59:06] Blaidd: mchou: so I heard the other night. I got mine working, I just need a way to control the analog
[00:59:19] mchou: Blaidd: you have no issues tuning on digital side?
[00:59:50] mchou: Blaidd: what did you do to solve it? Use the latest driver?
[01:01:05] RyeBrye: Interesting. Anyone familiar with the HDHR signal strength meter?
[01:01:16] Blaidd: mchou: changed the mmio_ndelay settings
[01:01:33] RyeBrye: Using a small amplified antenna, I was getting really high signal strength (90% +) but it woudl sometimes have a hrad time getting a lock and the channels would break up quite a bit
[01:01:38] mchou: Blaidd: what did you change it to?
[01:01:47] Blaidd: mchou: 31
[01:01:57] RyeBrye: I'm trying to figure out if I've found the lead from a gigantic YAGI antenna up in my attic I found – the locks are coming in real fast, but the signal strengths are in the 60's or 70%'s
[01:02:05] mchou: Blaidd: ok. I'll give it a shot :)
[01:02:26] mchou: Blaidd: so you using QAM or ATSC?
[01:02:28] RyeBrye: is the signal strenght meter for the small antenna just reading the fact that the other thing was just amplifying an already crappy signal (higher strength – but lots of errors?)
[01:02:31] justinh: signal quality is more important than strength
[01:02:53] Blaidd: mchou QAM
[01:03:05] mchou: Blaidd: cool
[01:03:20] RyeBrye: Yeah. is there a way to judge the quality of a signal other than watching it for a while and looking for errors? The signal strength meter is so convenient – too bad there isn't much of a "signal quality" meter it seems :)
[01:03:31] justinh: damn. got a nasty problem here. copying from hdb to hdd is < 5MB/sec :(
[01:03:40] RyeBrye: Wow
[01:03:55] RyeBrye: is hdd a wax tablet? a papyrus scroll?
[01:04:01] justinh: lol
[01:04:10] LanUser: RyeBrye: can you test the signal strengths with another tuner? maybe on your HDTV? I find my signal strength on the HDHR isn't quite as high as my Sony Bravia
[01:04:14] mchou: RyeBrye: that depends on the driver
[01:04:14] justinh: hdb had dma turned off til just now too. wtf
[01:04:35] RyeBrye: Ah – I might do that... but the closet where my line off of the attic antenna is dropped into is my furnace closet
[01:04:47] mchou: RyeBrye: some drivers support sig strength as well as SNR
[01:04:48] RyeBrye: and my HDTV is a 50" – I suppose I could run a long line off of that
[01:04:56] RyeBrye: Ahh yes – SNR would be what I'm looking or
[01:05:04] RyeBrye: I guess HDHR driver might not support it
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[01:05:26] mchou: RyeBrye: I dont have HDHR, cant help you there
[01:05:27] RyeBrye: But the fact that it locks onto a new multiplex in < 1 or 2 seconds means this is most likely a better signal
[01:05:29] justinh: that's better
[01:05:43] justinh: getting much more now I turned dma on for all disks
[01:06:01] justinh: maybe they're coming back from a nap in non-dma mode :(
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[01:07:42] Blaidd: so then, having done very little research, how hard is it to make it so that the channels are changed through the serial port?
[01:07:58] mchou: Blaidd: you also enable mmio_retry?
[01:08:07] Blaidd: mchou: nope
[01:08:17] justinh: with a serial blaster? prolly easier than getting an MCE blaster going
[01:08:18] mchou: Blaidd: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/39066
[01:08:37] mchou: Blaidd: you arent concerned about a full reset?
[01:09:29] mchou: Blaidd: what device are you tryong to change channels on?
[01:09:31] RyeBrye: Oh... This is hilarious – a PBS station near my is airing the original oceans 11 – but the Schedules Direct guide data put it down as being George Clooney's version
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[01:09:40] Blaidd: mchou: not really, I mean the worst case, I miss the shows it's supposed to be recording
[01:09:40] mchou: trying*
[01:09:57] Blaidd: mchou: motorola qipxxx
[01:10:58] mchou: Blaidd: use firewire to change channels on that box
[01:11:05] mchou: most reliable method
[01:11:15] Blaidd: mchou: hm.. any sources for that?
[01:11:26] mchou: blows ir blaster and serial out of the water
[01:11:31] RyeBrye: Umm... For some reason I get France 24 broadcast OTA in the midwestern US
[01:11:39] mchou: Blaidd: it's in myth contrib, iirc
[01:11:40] Blaidd: mchou: actually I don't know if i have a firewire port on the machine
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[01:11:50] RyeBrye: Either that's one damn good antenna, or someone is rebroadcasting a TV station from France for some reason
[01:11:59] justinh: pointed your aerial at canada?  :P
[01:12:45] RyeBrye: It's actual france though -not even canada... I just got europpean weather on it... I see a watermark for a local PBS station on the top corner, and it's on their same mux – so I guess they just decide to rebroadcast it
[01:12:48] mchou: Blaidd: in fact just record over firewire :)
[01:12:59] Blaidd: mchou: hahaha
[01:13:27] mchou: Blaidd: no need to use analog with that STB
[01:13:50] Blaidd: mchou: I don't think my cards have firewire inputs either
[01:13:58] mchou: Blaidd: well, unless you want to record premium channels like HBO and the like
[01:14:09] mchou: Blaidd: lol
[01:14:30] mchou: Blaidd: take out the 1600 and replace it with a firewire card
[01:14:39] justinh: so, dma was off thanks to hdparm.conf – I'd only set it to send my disks to sleep – assumed it wouldn't fiddle with the dma mode. heh
[01:14:40] mchou: Blaidd: problem solved
[01:14:57] Blaidd: mchou: you're really down on that card aren't you?
[01:15:05] justinh: I thought it was taking too long to copy files today. lucky I've never run into a problem with my recordings
[01:15:38] mchou: Blaidd: no, I'm saying if you have firewire (and no PCI slots left) that's the way to go
[01:15:56] iamlindoro: Blaidd, Forget about firewire, FIOS believes that they don't need to comply with the FCC's firewire regulations and thus turn firewire off on all their STBs in all markets. Someone will need to challenge their opinion with ligitation to ever get firewire on FIOS STBs.
[01:16:01] Blaidd: mchou: I still have pci slots left
[01:16:11] iamlindoro: Some nonsense about "we're not a cable provider"
[01:16:16] Blaidd: mchou: well that's not going to be me :)
[01:16:19] mchou: Blaidd: then install a firewire card. Problem solved
[01:16:45] mchou: Blaidd: this is FIOS or cableco?
[01:16:51] Blaidd: mchou FIOS
[01:17:03] mchou: Blaidd: yeah, too bad
[01:17:24] mchou: Blaidd: FCC rules dont yet apply to FIOS
[01:17:43] Blaidd: mchou: eh.. I just need to find a way to change the channels, that's all I care about
[01:17:52] mchou: Blaidd: you need to install firewire anyways to change channels
[01:17:59] mchou: still*
[01:18:13] mchou: Blaidd: so it wont hurt to give it a try
[01:18:38] mchou: Blaidd: there is also a very easy way to tell if firewire works w/o investing in any HW
[01:18:53] Blaidd: mchou: what's that?
[01:18:53] mchou: Blaidd: go into the STB diag setup
[01:19:23] mchou: it will tell you if firewire ports are enabled (and if there's 5C)
[01:19:41] mchou: great way to tell if you need to invest in HW
[01:19:54] Blaidd: mchou, okay, well I"ll have to go do that (it's not at my comp)
[01:19:55] mchou: sanity check
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[01:42:07] mchou: Blaidd: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15027769?hilite=firewire
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[01:43:28] mchou: Blaidd: a firewire card is cheap. $15 with cable. just go get one already
[01:44:07] Blaidd: mchou: I'll go look into it
[01:44:23] mchou: Blaidd: you get the STB diag screens?
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[01:44:42] Blaidd: mchou: not yet. I got sidetracked by some other stuff around the hosue. You know how it is
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[01:45:09] mchou: Blaidd: yeah. But seriously check the diag screen when you get a chance
[01:45:22] Blaidd: mchou: I will
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[01:46:02] mchou: Blaidd: how much storage for recordings you got for myth?
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[01:51:25] Blaidd: mchou: not enough..
[01:51:34] Blaidd: mchou: that's the next stage
[01:53:57] mchou: Blaidd: so here's the deal
[01:54:59] mchou: if firewire works on your STB and you want to conserve disk space, you can record from the STB using svideo instead of straight up firewire
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[01:55:32] Blaidd: mchou: yup
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[01:55:55] mchou: of course the picture quality wont be anwhere close to digital from 1394 but you get the programming
[01:56:11] Blaidd: tobe honest, it's not abig deal to me
[01:56:17] mchou: dont record thru the tuner
[01:56:53] mchou: Blaidd: what's not a big deal? Picture quality or disk space?
[01:57:32] Blaidd: pic quality.. I"m actualy not a fan of high def and blu ray, so what I get through the analog is fine
[01:57:35] Blaidd: in most cases..
[01:58:12] mchou: ok. I'm just saying all things being equal, record using svid rather than coax (for analog)
[01:58:39] t0vig: Blaidd, what turns you off about HD?
[02:00:02] mchou: cause quite frankly tuner quality on PCI cards are a sick joke
[02:01:23] Blaidd: t0vig: to be honest, the couple of things I've watched have almost too much detail, to the point where they look almost grainy again. That my just be my tv, but its what I've got ot work with
[02:01:33] t0vig: mchou: it would be nice to play with tuner settings to try to improve things. It's like the card makers put crappy firmware settings in...
[02:01:37] Blaidd: mchou: I do you svideo
[02:01:42] Blaidd: use*
[02:03:12] t0vig: Blaidd: It could be the TV, and it could also be up-converted content (you get grain there). Also, MPEG2 is susceptible to the "mosquito effect" which looks grainy. H.264 has an extra step to prevent this, so eventually, things should look better.... sounds like you have a good eye, though.
[02:03:41] Blaidd: t0vig: I was actually talking about hd sources like blu ray
[02:05:07] Blaidd: t0vig: and thank you
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[02:05:36] t0vig: Blaidd: you can always use as small a screen as possible
[02:05:58] Blaidd: t0vig: makes the 42 that I've got a waste of money then :)
[02:06:01] t0vig: I've seen some crap being sent out by cable and satellite providers, though.
[02:06:34] Blaidd: t0vig: other than a few dark scenes, I'm actually quite happyt with the recording quality I get from my 500's. I know that I'm in the minority in these though
[02:07:28] t0vig: Eventually it will all digital, and I'll have to pony-up the cash for ATSC tuners
[02:07:56] Blaidd: I'llhave to find a way to upgrade mine. Hopefully by that point they'll have dual ATSC tuner though..
[02:08:04] Blaidd: similar to the 500's
[02:08:26] t0vig: that would be nice... maybe hte pcHDTV people can do it.
[02:08:46] t0vig: then, we'd have real driver support in linux
[02:09:31] Blaidd: I suppose so long as they keep up the on board encoding.. they dropped it for the analog tuner portion of the pctv hd card (the 800i I believe)
[02:10:20] t0vig: Yeah... Hauppauge makes a device that takes
[02:10:33] t0vig: ... analog inputs up to 1080i and AVC encodes it real-time
[02:10:44] Blaidd: which is really nice..
[02:11:06] t0vig: The trouble is that STBs usually output degraded quality on the non-hdmi outputs... but that might make you happy ;-)
[02:11:47] Blaidd: odd people like me, yes :). But if it's all really digital, they'll probably do away with the lower quality ports, or add new ones in the non hd boxes
[02:12:11] t0vig: But digital to the box doesn't require digital out
[02:12:11] Blaidd: or maybe you'll be able to rent hd boxes with hdmi ports for just regular digital cable
[02:12:18] Blaidd: no, I know
[02:12:21] t0vig: ok
[02:12:31] Blaidd: who knows..
[02:13:01] t0vig: It's these YPbPr (component) outputs that are getting purposely degraded in the Digital to Analog coverters in the settops
[02:13:35] t0vig: for the sole pupose of making recordings look worse than any Blue Ray season X release that comes out later.
[02:13:37] Blaidd: eventually they'll get busted for that too though, hopefully
[02:13:50] Blaidd: officially of course
[02:13:55] t0vig: ha ha
[02:14:26] Blaidd: I think the biggest step is going to be letting people own their own boxes, and having a way to input the decoding codes on install
[02:14:27] t0vig: We need to get MythTV ported to MipsLinux so that the older hacked Tivos could be put to good use
[02:14:34] Blaidd: heh
[02:15:03] t0vig: CableCARD was *supposed* to put the decode in the TV and get rid of the box
[02:15:43] Blaidd: and then the cable companies just need to accidentally screw up their inputs so the cards can't read them :)
[02:15:45] t0vig: It would save DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, etc a TON of $$ too
[02:16:32] t0vig: Blaidd: they'd get into trouble if that became common... or so I'd like to think
[02:17:02] Blaidd: t0vig: except fios already has that problem
[02:17:52] t0vig: is that Verizon?
[02:17:58] Blaidd: yup
[02:18:07] t0vig: yeah, they don't care about standards
[02:18:11] Blaidd: the service is great
[02:18:14] t0vig: They just make their own
[02:18:38] Blaidd: that's what happens when you're big enough.. just ask the companies in canada have been doing it all the time
[02:18:53] t0vig: It'll be interesting to see how things move to a home gateway model, though.
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[02:19:17] Blaidd: ya..
[02:19:33] Blaidd: but things never change as much as we think they will, no matter how big the changes are supposed to be
[02:20:35] t0vig: yeah, Home gateway will still have a box at the TV, just a *cheaper* one. It will be nice to be able to view the same recordings from all TVs in the house though... kinda like MythTV already does ;-)
[02:21:03] Blaidd: yup. it's about time everyone else caught up
[02:21:29] t0vig: well, gotta go eat fries and watch TV... ironically
[02:21:33] Blaidd: heh.
[02:21:35] Blaidd: later
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[02:50:18] iamlindoro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgQ4VMPfyY&NR=1 NSFW, har har
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[02:52:33] Chicago: lol
[02:54:06] jams: and Dr Wiley fails again!
[02:54:30] jams: Wily
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[03:21:48] RyeBrye: interesting. On 0.21 fixes, when I'm just flipping through liveTV – when I go to a new channel, sometimes the video is really choppy – but if i just adjust the time-stretch down to 0.95 and then immediately back to 1.0 – the video playback goes back to being smooth
[03:22:01] RyeBrye: I rarely watch liveTV, so it's not a huge deal – just interesting to see
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[03:49:23] waxhead: this sounds like a dumb question, but can I rip a DVD as a whole DVD easily in myth tv?
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[03:56:50] Chicago: waxhead: Yes
[03:57:13] Chicago: You get an iso saved onto your harddisk... menus and all.
[03:57:24] waxhead: really?
[03:57:34] Chicago: of course, really
[03:57:35] waxhead: I wonder why I can't get it to work then...
[03:57:57] waxhead: I'll stick the DVD in again and see what it does...
[03:58:07] Chicago: Which distro?
[03:58:09] waxhead: do I have to select all the titles?
[03:58:14] waxhead: mythbuntu
[03:58:17] Chicago: oh
[03:58:20] Chicago: Is that a toy?
[03:58:23] Chicago: Try gentoo.
[03:58:37] waxhead: mythbuntu works fine enough...
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[03:59:47] waxhead: if I select ISO image, will it rip the whole DVD as an ISO?
[04:00:25] Chicago: ding ding ding
[04:00:52] waxhead: right.. and perfect will only grab the VOB file you pick...
[04:01:02] Chicago: perhaps
[04:01:09] Chicago: The ISOs work nicely.
[04:01:22] Chicago: libdvdcss gets the job done.
[04:01:44] waxhead: yeah, maybe I should grab ISO's more often...
[04:01:53] Chicago: Most of the time it works.
[04:01:57] Chicago: There are some discs which don't.
[04:02:15] Chicago: You'll end up with a mucked up ISO which just plays the previews on the DVD instead of the feature film.
[04:03:24] waxhead: right.. thanks...
[04:03:38] waxhead: mostly I've been just grabbing perfect imports of my DVD's...
[04:03:54] waxhead: so I don't get all the extra DVD stuff... which isn't a real loss...
[04:04:16] waxhead: works good for movies, but not so good when you have TV series and want all the menus and shows...
[04:04:34] Chicago: Yup, I agree.
[04:04:51] Chicago: Save the demuxing and encoding and recoding for a rainy day.
[04:05:08] Chicago: You never know how many target formats you'll want/need...
[04:05:13] waxhead: yeah I guess so...
[04:05:22] waxhead: if it's worth it at all...
[04:05:34] Chicago: Today you might want 2 channel stereo... tomorrow you might want 5.1 AAC
[04:05:44] waxhead: i was playing the dvd::rip on my laptop.... very slow...
[04:06:25] waxhead: won't that all be on the DVD iso though? I'ts just a matter of picking the right auto track ?
[04:08:16] Chicago: Yes it is just a matter of picking the right track.
[04:08:31] Chicago: But if you're selecting what you want in your 'perfect' rip... you might miss something... like the HD audio.
[04:08:39] Chicago: That's why I was saying its advantageous to grab the ISO.
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[05:51:14] shiftplusone: Hello, I am having some issues with the audio... was wondering if someone could help
[05:51:38] shiftplusone: I have to use a patch cable which I have going from the audio output of the card to the line-in of my comp
[05:52:17] shiftplusone: when I listen to the input of line-in when tvtime is on, everything is fine... but when I use mythtv... the quality is very low and barely understandable
[05:52:48] Chicago: Adjust input gain on the analog channel....
[05:56:10] shiftplusone: thanks
[05:56:48] shiftplusone: sounds better... had to lower it to the minimum... but it still doesn't sound completely right.
[05:57:11] Chicago: Also, check your mixer in mythfrontend settings -> general
[05:57:33] Chicago: Usually you just turn up master & pcm with the mythfrontend gui.
[06:01:34] shiftplusone: Thanks Chicago, don't have any noticeable distortion now.
[06:01:47] Chicago: kickass
[06:01:48] Chicago: :)
[06:02:10] Chicago: alsamixer usually shows your gain in 'db' levels... just make sure they are not about 0.0 and you should be golden.
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[06:12:39] shiftplusone: they're 'not' about 0.0?
[06:13:05] shiftplusone: right now that's where it is... and there's a bit of distortion, but if I raise it it gets worse.
[06:15:22] Chicago: Your either not getting actual output levels...
[06:15:35] Chicago: or the speakers are distorting, rather than the line level.
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[06:17:18] shiftplusone: nuh, nuh the speakers are pretty good... I just tried the headphones just incase... same thing.
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[06:20:22] Chicago: v4l2ctl will let you adjust the output level on the card... set it to 90 percent.
[06:21:57] shiftplusone: which package is that a part of... I don't seem to have it
[06:22:15] shiftplusone: there's v4lctl
[06:23:19] Chicago: should be same.... I just build v4l2 support in the kernel.
[06:23:58] shiftplusone: what should be the command argument?
[06:24:13] shiftplusone: volume 0.9 or something?
[06:24:36] Chicago: Check the range.
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[06:25:58] shiftplusone: I don't actually see anything to do with volume in the attribute list...
[06:26:24] Chicago: actually I have v4l2-ctl
[06:26:28] Chicago: do you have that one?
[06:26:54] shiftplusone: just these: v4l-conf v4l-info v4lctl
[06:27:48] Chicago: Eh... I don't know howto get debug output using v4lctl
[06:28:51] shiftplusone: well I ran "v4lctl -c /dev/video0 list" which is meant to show all the attributes and their range..
[06:30:59] Chicago: Okay... what is your volume int? Mine is 58880... with a range of 0 – 65535
[06:32:31] Chicago: Wow... I just noticed I need to change my input... I'm set at NTSC-K for some reason.
[06:32:33] shiftplusone: I don't know how to get that.
[06:32:36] Chicago: I should be sitting on NTSC-M.
[06:33:08] Chicago: Do you get output similar to this? http://rafb.net/p/Zp1WZL87.html
[06:33:38] shiftplusone: yeah, except volume isn't there
[06:34:18] shiftplusone: http://rafb.net/p/UQWFCH55.html
[06:35:03] Chicago: Do you have a /dev/video24 which is your audio or something?
[06:36:12] shiftplusone: nope
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[06:43:50] Chicago: shiftplusone: Set them in alsamixer to below red (yellow) do you still have distortion?
[06:44:43] shiftplusone: yup
[06:44:53] shiftplusone: increasing the volume increases distortion.
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[06:45:21] Chicago: The PCM + Master + line in should all be lowered until there is no distortion...
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[06:45:51] Chicago: Once you find the real input signal and lower it appropriately... you should be able to turn the others up to 0db without additional distortion.
[06:47:22] shiftplusone: changing PCM and Master doesn't seem to affect the distortion... just the line-in
[06:47:59] shiftplusone: it's alright you got it close enough to perfect, I can live with it. thanks for all your help.
[06:48:52] Chicago: You're welcome.
[06:48:53] Chicago: enjoy
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[06:53:12] shiftplusone: what happens if I am watching tv at a time the backend is scheduled to start recording something on either the same channel I am watching or a different channel?
[06:53:44] cesman: it will ask what you want to do
[06:53:58] shiftplusone: ah ok, thanks.
[06:54:39] cesman: you're welcome
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[07:06:36] shiftplusone: are commercials flagged while the show is being recorded or as a part of post processing?
[07:07:15] shiftplusone: I have the logo method of detection... except the logo is semi-transparent... don't know if it's picking it up or not. =/
[07:08:32] Chicago: It's up to you.
[07:08:52] Chicago: As root run mythtv-setup and in general you can choose either to flag them on the fly... or wait until the recording is complete.
[07:11:14] shiftplusone: ok... guess I'll fiddle around a bit.
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[07:42:36] shiftplusone: A show was meant to finish recording a few minutes ago... the nuv file is there, but it doesn't show up in 'view recordings' O_o
[07:43:10] shiftplusone: could this have something to do with it? "2008-10–12 18:35:16.718 RingBuf(/home/shiftplusone/store/2011_20081012175500.nuv): Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[07:43:10] shiftplusone: "
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[07:45:11] shiftplusone: nvrm, applied a 'Live TV' filter my accident.
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[08:23:22] Chicago: onexused: What do you get in mythtv-setup when you search for channels?
[08:24:00] Chicago: Start with this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards
[08:24:49] onexused: Ok
[08:25:44] Chicago: onexused: I'm going to bed. Hit me up in the afternoon tomorrow and let me know how it goes.
[08:25:53] Chicago: I'm out of cigarettes and can't keep my eyes open anymore.
[08:26:09] onexused: coffee :)
[08:26:14] onexused: ok. see you later.
[08:26:16] Chicago: just had tea
[08:26:22] Chicago: had the pot of coffee when I woke up
[08:26:27] Chicago: no more chemistry tonight.
[08:26:46] onexused: See you later, and thanks for the link
[08:27:05] Chicago: You're welcome. Just set your encoders properly and then scan for channels, you should be all set.
[08:27:24] mchou: onexused: where you live, and what version of myth you using?
[08:27:27] Chicago: If the sources you've compiled don't work for you... just try the ~x86 or ~amd64 builds... they pull from fixes off trunk.
[08:27:51] Chicago: goodnight
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[08:28:21] mchou: onexused: cause that wiki page isn't current
[08:28:36] mchou: onexused: much better ways exist
[08:28:52] mchou: faster, less pain, more relaible
[08:31:42] onexused: mchou: I live in the USA. I'm using mythtv-0.20.2_p15634
[08:32:03] mchou: lol
[08:32:24] mchou: you line in Cincinnati :)
[08:32:29] onexused: ha?
[08:32:31] mchou: live*
[08:32:59] onexused: No, that's just where one of the ISP's servers is
[08:33:15] onexused: I don't even live in that state : )
[08:33:41] mchou: memory is fuzzy, but 20.2 should have easier way to populating the db
[08:34:24] onexused: It does have a channel scan thing, but that doesn't pick up digital channels, only analog
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[08:35:14] mchou: does that version have a provision to use SD lineup when you set up a dvb/qam card?
[08:35:38] hachi: does the HD-5500 do hardware compression of analog streams?
[08:35:40] mchou: It should be on the same page as the channel scan iirc
[08:35:48] onexused: hachi: I don't think so.
[08:36:03] mchou: hachi: doubtful
[08:36:08] hachi: ok, no harm
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[08:36:34] onexused: mchou: SD lineup: can you spell out what you mean by that?
[08:36:42] mchou: Schedules direct
[08:36:43] onexused: I don't see anything labeled "SD lineup"
[08:37:20] mchou: you get the SD line up and everyone is automagically set
[08:37:34] mchou: umm, everything*
[08:38:04] onexused: Ah, yes, I see that.
[08:38:18] onexused: in video source setup
[08:38:29] mchou: yup. some place in there
[08:38:32] mchou: use that
[08:38:34] onexused: It needs a username and password, though, and costs.
[08:38:41] mchou: lol
[08:38:50] mchou: $20/yr, iirc
[08:39:02] mchou: not gonna break the bank
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[08:39:33] onexused: Yeah, but I'd rather not pay anything at all if I can.
[08:39:37] mchou: trust me, if you have to do a manual scan it will cost you WAY more than $20 in time spent
[08:40:29] mchou: it will take you days. (and that's assuming you're have good script-fu)
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[08:41:47] hachi: has a CX23883 :\
[08:42:21] mchou: hachi: you dont want to use analog on that anyways with myth
[08:42:31] hachi: I've got a PVR150 too
[08:42:35] mchou: doesnt that HW have a hybrid tuner?
[08:42:45] onexused: hachi: works with gentoo's kernel drivers
[08:42:55] hachi: yeah, I know it works
[08:42:58] onexused: ok
[08:43:05] hachi: I'm just trying to figure out how I want to use it
[08:43:11] hachi: or if I wan to buy something different
[08:43:13] hachi: want
[08:43:18] mchou: doesnt that HW have a hybrid tuner?
[08:43:41] hachi: I dunno what the term 'hybrid tuner' implies. It can tune both QAM and NTSC broadcast
[08:43:45] mchou: I mean you have one coax connector on that card, right?
[08:43:48] hachi: yes
[08:44:14] mchou: hachi: a hybrid tuner can only be used in one "mode" with myth
[08:44:25] hachi: oh, well then :)
[08:44:39] hachi: should I buy something else instead?
[08:44:46] hachi: this looked like the most 'open' of cards
[08:44:51] mchou: like say NTSC (all the time) or ATSC (all the time)
[08:45:20] mchou: hachi: you havent told us anything like what you want to record
[08:45:35] mchou: hachi: and from what sources
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[08:45:53] hachi: broadcast HDTV is all I would be after
[08:45:58] mchou: until you gives us some of that info there is no way we can help
[08:46:10] hachi: I've already got a PVR-150 on analog
[08:46:27] mchou: hachi: if that's all you are after why are you worried about NTSC?
[08:46:47] hachi: I wasn't really after it, I thought maybe I would get a bonus
[08:46:54] mchou: nah
[08:47:14] mchou: myth and hybrid tuner==no bonus
[08:47:39] onexused: "Username: n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou" Did you do something to keep it from displaying your IP?
[08:47:44] mchou: hachi: I recommend you get a pinnacle 800i
[08:47:49] mchou: onexused: yes
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[08:48:01] onexused: May I know what that was?
[08:48:27] mchou: pinnacle HW has xc5000 reciever (which is really the best tuner so far)
[08:48:46] mchou: onexused: google freenode cloak
[08:48:49] hachi: fair enough, I'll go pick one up tomorrow
[08:48:56] banyan: Hello! My backend denies any knowledge of having recordings scheduled. This is after a little down time and is also after adding a new frontend... anyone have any idea how I can check on why this happened?
[08:48:57] hachi: PCI card?
[08:49:06] mchou: hachi: yes, pci
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[08:49:34] hachi: banyan: first thing I always do is to see if the tuner is online, in the info section of the frontend
[08:49:52] mchou: onexused: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . _Card_(800i)
[08:50:15] mchou: onexused: "The XC5000 tuner on this card is able to pick up considerably more over-the-air digital channels than most other cards."
[08:50:32] mchou: oh, sorry. hachi ^^^
[08:50:39] hachi: mchou: yeah, I read that
[08:50:49] banyan: they're all "npt recprding."
[08:50:59] banyan: um, not recording that is.
[08:51:06] mchou: hachi: do you need it in a hurry?
[08:51:17] hachi: mchou: not really, but it says they're at best buy
[08:51:28] hachi: best buy is down the street, so I'll go grab one in the morning :)
[08:51:39] mchou: hachi: woot sells them refurb'd for $25 shipped
[08:51:45] hachi: oh
[08:51:45] banyan: And I know at least locally to the backend, live TV works.
[08:52:06] mchou: hachi: but you have to wait when woot has the deal
[08:52:15] hachi: I'm impatient
[08:52:18] hachi: I'll buy one now
[08:52:23] hachi: and 3 more when woot sells it :)
[08:52:24] mchou: hachi: lol
[08:52:40] mchou: hachi: what's the price at BB?
[08:52:48] hachi: uhhhh, hang on
[08:53:17] banyan: Hmm... I wonder! The new backend is off the livna myth packages from fedora 9 but the backend is fedora 8.
[08:53:55] hachi: 81.99, maybe
[08:54:00] mchou: lol
[08:54:04] banyan: I wonder if the new frontend up-revved the database in such a way that the older backend can't deal with the recording database?
[08:54:04] hachi: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 186005934822
[08:54:05] mchou: that's steep
[08:54:10] hachi: I can't tell if that's it
[08:54:15] mchou: hachi: ^^^
[08:54:18] hachi: no model number or anything on the package
[08:54:22] hachi: mchou: yeah
[08:54:31] mchou: hachi: that's it
[08:54:35] mchou: try CC
[08:54:54] hachi: er... yeah, that store creeps me out
[08:54:57] mchou: hachi: or even newegg
[08:55:16] mchou: hachi: which store creeps you out? BB or CC?
[08:55:24] hachi: CC
[08:55:27] hachi: 2 dollars cheaper
[08:55:48] mchou: lol
[08:55:53] hachi: any time I would go into CC they would always cling to me like bats... I couldn't look at things myself
[08:56:03] mchou: hachi: BB creeps me out more
[08:56:11] mchou: CC is all right
[08:56:17] hachi: it probably should for me too
[08:57:32] hachi: it's in stock at the BB near me, good enough for some fun
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[08:57:43] mchou: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815144018
[08:57:54] hachi: can I get mythtv to record to one disk (local storage) on a backend, and then copy to a remote storage for long-term?
[08:58:02] hachi: s/copy/move/
[08:58:03] banyan: so... any suggestions as to how I can get my backend recording stuff again?
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[08:58:41] banyan: hachi: you can archive stuff to dvd...
[08:59:13] hachi: I have 2TB of disk space
[08:59:18] hachi: I don't need to archive to optical media
[08:59:25] mchou: hahah
[08:59:34] banyan: you probably don't need to archive at all.
[08:59:36] hachi: but I'd like to keep network latency out of the recording picture
[08:59:46] mchou: hachi: which brand hdd you got?
[09:00:02] hachi: all
[09:00:14] hachi: 4 seagates, 3 WD, several maxtor
[09:00:15] hachi: I dunno
[09:00:17] mchou: any of them fail yet?
[09:00:31] hachi: many have failed
[09:00:47] hachi: 80GB maxtors tended to fail
[09:00:57] hachi: those are mostly out of comission now in my boxes
[09:01:01] hachi: the 750GB seagates are fine
[09:01:07] hachi: the 250GB maxtors are fine
[09:01:11] hachi: the 120GB WDs are fine
[09:01:26] mchou: WD sucks for me
[09:01:31] hachi: my house has like... 12 spindles up right now
[09:01:35] banyan: I had western digitals fail on me in a raid array.
[09:01:40] mchou: I avoid them like the plague
[09:01:45] banyan: one at a time fortunately.
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[09:02:50] hachi: oh wait
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[09:03:02] hachi: I've got one failed WD 120GB at a colo right now
[09:03:09] hachi: but that box is getting powered down in a month anyways
[09:03:58] hachi: in any case, yeah... I've got these disks between 80–300GB in size that are mostly useless, I'd love to put them into my recording backends for local storage
[09:04:13] hachi: and then have mythtv move the files after recording to another storage
[09:07:52] banyan: In the same box or remote?
[09:08:09] hachi: I've got a big storage, /red, nfs mounted all over the place
[09:08:40] hachi: which box do you mean 'same box' ?
[09:08:50] banyan: same as the backend
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[09:09:04] hachi: no, remote... but I can make it look local via nfs anyways
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[09:09:42] hachi: the backend I currently have is recording to NFS
[09:10:01] banyan: I was thinking you could write a simple script to move the files off the myth recording directory onto an nfs mount and then symlink them back in.
[09:10:14] banyan: if nfs supports remote symlinks. that might be complicated.
[09:11:00] banyan: so, what the heck is the table name that has the scheduled recordings in it?
[09:13:22] hachi: your program guide still has listings in it?
[09:13:53] hachi: I've only ever had it decide to not record things because the listings got cleared, and I had to run mythfillwhatever again
[09:14:22] hachi: or the tuner was unavailable, but you already checked that
[09:15:03] banyan: let me check...
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[09:17:40] banyan: it does, and it has shows in it that I want recorded.
[09:18:04] mchou: banyan: why bother??
[09:18:14] banyan: why bother with what?
[09:18:18] mchou: banyan: just use storage groups
[09:18:23] mchou: no need to move
[09:18:26] hachi: mchou: you're talking to me
[09:18:47] hachi: and your rationale is incomplete, I want to power off the recorders when not in use
[09:18:57] mchou: oh yeah. sorry, meant hachi
[09:19:01] hachi: banyan's trying to figure out why their's won't record
[09:19:18] banyan: I just never did use storage groups. might be just the thing!
[09:20:08] hachi: I want to keep network latency from affecting recording performance, but I'd also like to move the files to other storage after recording is complete (or have a buffer on disk and move it while it's recording)
[09:20:17] hachi: much like syslog-ng does with logfiles
[09:21:15] banyan: I shouldn't have a problem using a fedora 9 frontend with the livna repo myth packages against an atrpms-packaged myth backend?
[09:21:48] hachi: banyan: as long as the versions match, it would be fine... but it normally throws errors when versions don't match anyways
[09:22:07] banyan: Well, to me, the first thing to check would be whether the recording schedule table has the entries I expect it should have.
[09:22:19] hachi: what does 'NVP' stand for in the logs?
[09:22:30] hachi: NVS is not playina after 20000 msec
[09:22:33] banyan: what table holds them though? Just poking around I couldn't seem to find it.
[09:22:35] hachi: NVP even
[09:22:42] hachi: NVP: prebuffering pause
[09:23:05] hachi: I dunno the schema...
[09:26:34] banyan: i'ma do a mythfilldatabase and see if that helps.
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[09:36:33] banyan: nope!
[09:37:29] banyan: I don't just want to start rescheduling things I already have either in case I destroy the table that is supposed to have all that in it.
[09:38:50] hachi: weird
[09:38:53] hachi: Unable to create XvMC Surface.
[09:39:00] hachi: this was working 20 minutes ago
[09:43:40] banyan: What driver could I get a useable framerate out of with an nvidia card other than the nvidia driver?
[09:44:01] shiftplusone: what does this mean? "QMulticastSocket: setsockopt – IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP Error" have this in the mythbackend log...
[09:45:03] banyan: I have a legacy nvidia card, which means I either have to find a different driver to use, or stick with fedora 8.
[09:45:14] banyan: or buy a new card.
[09:45:58] shiftplusone: legacy as in... not supported by the new drivers?
[09:45:58] shiftplusone: if so... why not just use an old nvidia driver?
[09:46:00] laga_: banyan: have you tried the nv one?
[09:46:17] banyan: nv seems not to run right.
[09:46:26] banyan: vesa works but is really slow.
[09:46:51] banyan: legacy wasn't carried forward into f9.
[09:47:09] banyan: so I'm still running f8.
[09:48:47] shiftplusone: ah ok
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[10:51:20] hachi: huh... XVMC works fine with mplayer... can't get mythtv to use it :\
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[11:01:54] laga_: iamlindoro: it would be great if you could also submit an user job which does the cutting with avidemux. eg a drop-in replacement for mythtranscode
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[11:04:07] justinh: it would also be great if you DO MY DISHES
[11:04:40] laga_: well, we're selling this house and i'm currently cleaning up
[11:04:46] laga_: talk about having a shitty weekend :)
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[11:25:20] gbee: hmm, so Ohloh thinks my primary language is XML because I've done a handful of commits with xml, despite hundreds more which were C++ only
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[11:26:47] gbee: apparently I've made 1011 commits .... feels like more :)
[11:33:16] ** gbee spreads the love arounds **
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[12:01:05] syslogd: Hello.
[12:01:12] syslogd: Can somebody recommend a CPU to me that has a low power consumption and works fine with MythTV and DVB?
[12:01:19] syslogd: The AMD Geode only takes ~10 Watt. Has anyone tested it with MythTV?
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[12:01:41] syslogd: I want to use MythTV on my home-server.
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[12:10:02] gbee: Intel Atom does ok here, with SD mpeg2
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[12:17:20] gbee: seems like the Via Nano packs a decent punch, reports of it managing HD (probably mpeg2 though)
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[12:19:13] gbee: Geode might be fine for mpeg2 SD, but I'm not aware of anyone trying it and it's much less powerful that either the Atom or Nano but only ~1w lower on the power consumption side
[12:19:37] gbee: at least the current generation of Geode's, they are supposed to be launching some Atom beaters soon
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[12:30:31] syslogd: Thanks for your answer. I think I'd better get a Atom.
[12:30:46] syslogd: I won't buy a Via Nano because of their bad Linux support.
[12:33:30] Lynet: Isn't VIA supposedly hard at work trying to fix that?
[12:35:05] syslogd: Yes but they have not open-sourced all parts of their code if I recall correctly.
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[13:18:21] mchou: syslogd: Is this for a backend or frontend?
[13:20:19] mchou: gbee: there are rumors the atom-killer program has been killed at AMD.
[13:21:02] gbee: mchou: saw those same rumours and then more rumours two days later than the first rumours were wrong
[13:21:12] gbee: s/than/that/
[13:21:27] mchou: heh, ok
[13:21:44] mchou: guess your rumor mill is more recent than mine
[13:22:48] gbee: we'll see when they make an official annoucement I guess
[13:24:13] gbee: they were working on two different lower power rivals for the Atom, a beefed up Geode design and a new Athlon (k8) based one, but I haven't been paying much attention
[13:24:30] mchou: yup indeedy
[13:25:04] mchou: bobcat and bulldozer
[13:25:14] gbee: Improved GPU video memory management coordination between the NVIDIA X driver and OpenGL implementation; this should improve performance with e.g. the KDE4 OpenGL compositing manager.
[13:25:25] mchou: oh lord
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[13:25:27] gbee: damn, guess I need that driver update
[13:25:39] gbee: sorry, that's the Nvidia driver changelog
[13:25:40] clever`ca: i wonder how my mythtv network is running...
[13:25:44] mchou: please stop carrying on about USELESS kde4
[13:26:00] gbee: :)
[13:26:20] mchou: gbee: biggest barrier to productivity since the Great Depression
[13:26:50] mchou: I like you installed 2009.0
[13:27:09] gbee: can't argue, it's painfully slow
[13:27:28] mchou: uninstalled task-kde4, then installed kde3 from repo
[13:27:44] mchou: reasonably happy now
[13:28:04] mchou: but kde3.5.10 is not as stable as 3.5.9
[13:28:16] gbee: if this driver update doesn't help then that's what I'll be doing
[13:28:19] mchou: that's 'progress' for you
[13:28:39] mchou: gbee: my complaint with kde4 is not rendering speed
[13:28:58] mchou: it has no features....
[13:29:16] teprrr: what features there are missing?
[13:29:25] mchou: and totally unintuitive
[13:29:41] mchou: how do you add an app to the panel??
[13:30:07] mchou: right click on men. yeah right. that was easy to figure out
[13:30:12] mchou: menu*
[13:30:18] gbee: mchou: it's my biggest complaint here, I've already adjusted to dolphin etc and I can live with the shitty clock and inability to place what _I_ want on panels
[13:31:18] gbee: well for now at least, if I don't work out how to put directory shortcut links on my top panel then I might just snap and rm -rf /opt/kde4
[13:31:31] mchou: hahah
[13:31:40] mchou: dont do that
[13:32:04] mchou: urpme task-kde4 :)
[13:32:10] clever`ca: gbee: with gnome i can put shortcuts to anything, and i could then make a shortcut to nautalis with the right args to open the folder
[13:32:26] mchou: clever`ca: yeah yeah
[13:32:45] mchou: clever`ca: gnome is also a barrier to productivity
[13:32:48] gbee: I argued way back that they should never have released KDE 4.0, but I fail to see how KDE 4.1 is much better – it's NOT finished and it runs like a dog
[13:32:59] clever`ca: though my b43 wifi is fighting linux, so i cant even get online
[13:33:03] mchou: just not as big a barrier as kde4
[13:33:07] clever`ca: so im stuck with the windows 'panel' :P
[13:33:09] gbee: clever`ca: well I can do that with KDE 3.5
[13:34:01] mchou: gbee: I hope mandriva will change thier policy and remain with kde3.5 for a while longer
[13:34:08] clever`ca: i cant even ssh into my house to see if mythtv has crashed
[13:34:34] mchou: gbee: cause I dont want to ditch mandriva just because kde4 gets in the way
[13:35:02] gbee: there are some little details I like about 4.1, but it might not be enough to keep it on my machine
[13:35:17] mchou: gbee: like what?
[13:36:02] mchou: kde4 is the Vista of the linux world in more ways than one
[13:36:02] gbee: the "Device notifier" widget springs to mind
[13:36:15] clever`ca: gbee: whats it do?
[13:38:06] gbee: clever`ca: well just provides a neat little drop down and notification on hotplug storage devices (usb, sd, mmc, cameras) – functionally it doesn't offer much which isn't already doable with kde3.5 and Mandriva 2008, but it's just handy
[13:38:34] clever`ca: ah
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[13:38:43] ** gbee struggles to think of something else good about KDE 4 **
[13:38:55] schtinky: trying to install mythtv, but when I run mythtv-setup, I get " MSqlDatabase::OpenDatabase(), db object is not valid!" repeatedly in the terminal window
[13:39:15] schtinky: can anyone give me a tip for getting past this problem? I have mysql installed and running, and mythconverg has been initialized, confirmed by looking in with phpmyadmin
[13:39:38] mchou: lol
[13:39:40] gbee: is dlophin tied to KDE 4? I've a feeling that 2008 tried to install it with KDE 3 so probably not, but this is the first time I've given it a chance and it's better than konq
[13:39:49] mchou: phpadmin
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[13:42:33] syslogd: mchou: Sorry for the late response (MadWifi crashed). This is for the backend. I only want to stream movies and DVB-T over WLAN or wired LAN.
[13:43:16] clever`ca: if madwifi keeps crashing you might not be able to stream anything :P
[13:44:07] syslogd: Heh, I hope I will not have these problems in future when I'm using ath5k but it does not support master mode yet. Fortunately Atheros published their sources so the developers can include the code into ath5k. ツ
[13:45:40] syslogd: clever`ca: Why is not b43 working for you? It works perfectly for me. Even better than those NDIS drivers.
[13:45:54] clever`ca: it took hours to get the firmware
[13:46:07] clever`ca: none of the firmware ripping processes gave me ucode5
[13:46:31] clever`ca: i gave up and just googled that path and got the raw pre riped firmware
[13:46:36] syslogd: Hm. Did you use b43-fwcutter?
[13:46:43] syslogd: Where did you save the firmware?
[13:46:47] clever`ca: many times
[13:46:49] gbee: latest broadcom drivers are actually decent compared to the ndiswrapper ones, finally usable
[13:46:58] syslogd: I agree.
[13:47:02] clever`ca: i saved it to the proper path and dmesg stoped complaining that the firmware was missing
[13:47:22] gbee: took some time though, I've had to use ndis for years
[13:47:52] clever`ca: dhclient gets no replys
[13:48:05] clever`ca: and if i manualy set the ip/route i cant ping the gateway
[13:48:09] gbee: same goes for the atheros drivers used by my other machines
[13:48:51] syslogd: Hm. I simply copied my drivers from my Gentoo partition to the /lib/firmware path on the Ubuntu live CD and it was working very well even though the kernel was half a year old.
[13:49:58] syslogd: clever`ca: Are you connected to the access point? Does it use encryption?
[13:50:04] clever`ca: wide open
[13:50:18] clever`ca: and i can see the mac of the access point after i enter the essid
[13:50:20] syslogd: By the way, is it possible to use the WLAN LEDs to indicate when there is traffic?
[13:50:24] syslogd: On Windows it is possible.
[13:50:44] syslogd: clever`ca: Hm. Probably you are using the wrong firmware?
[13:50:47] clever`ca: maybe if you mod the firmware and patch the windows driver
[13:50:47] syslogd: Sorry, no idea then.
[13:51:02] syslogd: I think it is something ACPI-related.
[13:51:09] clever`ca: http://www.omattos.com/broadcom/
[13:51:18] clever`ca: thats what i got my firmware from in the end
[13:51:33] syslogd: Which chipset do you have?
[13:51:58] syslogd: What is the difference to the "official" firmware?
[13:52:14] syslogd: Ah, they have already been extracted.
[13:52:18] clever`ca: im guessing the guy just riped the firmware and ziped it up to share
[13:52:24] syslogd: Yep.
[13:52:25] clever`ca: which is against the copywright laws :P
[13:52:26] syslogd: Is that legal?
[13:52:29] syslogd: :D
[13:53:01] clever`ca: all the other rippings i did never produced the ucode5 that dmesg was bitching about
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[13:53:48] syslogd: http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-w . . . 10.5.tar.bz2 <-- That's the firmware I use.
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[13:54:03] clever`ca: got that, and 5 other files from that site
[13:54:06] syslogd: I have a ucode5.fw in my /lib/firmware/b43 directory.
[13:54:23] syslogd: Which files?
[13:54:42] clever`ca: im booted into a windows partition right now so i dont have all the filenames
[13:54:56] syslogd: When you're using Ubuntu or Debian, it will automatically fetch the firmware when you install b43-fwcutter.
[13:55:11] syslogd: Ok.
[13:55:13] clever`ca: and how the heck will that work if i cant connect?
[13:55:14] clever`ca: :P
[13:55:24] syslogd: :D
[13:55:38] syslogd: Can you connect via ethernet?
[13:55:42] clever`ca: i opened up that script and manualy downloaded its .o file from windows
[13:55:53] syslogd: Or chroot your Linux-partition it on Windows?
[13:55:55] clever`ca: only if i break into the neighbors house...
[13:56:00] syslogd: Perhaps using Cygwin (never tried that)
[13:56:11] clever`ca: i cant even mount the linux from windows
[13:56:19] syslogd: Because it's ext3?
[13:56:23] clever`ca: and its dads work laptop so cygwin will upset the boss :P
[13:56:31] syslogd: hrhr
[13:56:46] clever`ca: got the dmesg log
[13:56:51] syslogd: okay
[13:57:05] clever`ca: [ 54.805390] b43-phy1 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found or load failed.
[13:57:09] clever`ca: [ 54.805569] b43-phy1 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware (version 4).
[13:57:20] syslogd: interesting
[13:57:23] clever`ca: by using the 'illegal' download of firmware i managed to fix that error
[13:57:26] syslogd: where did you extract the firmware?
[13:57:28] syslogd: ah
[13:57:48] syslogd: Perhaps this firmware is a bit outdated.
[13:57:51] syslogd: I can send you mine.
[13:58:05] clever`ca: when i ripped the firmware from the windows parition
[13:58:27] clever`ca: it gave a big warning that i was ripping version 4 and it wouldnt work with the current driver
[13:58:37] syslogd: http://rapidshare.com/files/153289288/b43.zip.html
[13:58:56] clever`ca: i like mediafire better :P
[13:59:00] syslogd: heh
[13:59:11] syslogd: can I use mediafire without signing up?
[13:59:14] laga_: they all suck
[13:59:18] clever`ca: no idea
[13:59:24] syslogd: laga_: ack
[13:59:26] clever`ca: and i cant test that firmware without rebooting
[13:59:40] syslogd: then reboot ツ
[13:59:41] clever`ca: brb
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[14:08:30] clever: new error!
[14:08:38] clever: [ 42.009580] b43-phy0 ERROR: YOUR FIRMWARE IS TOO NEW. Please downgrade your firmware.
[14:08:48] mchou: lol
[14:08:53] mchou: nice
[14:09:02] clever: [ 44.644856] b43-phy0 ERROR: Microcode not responding
[14:09:12] clever: [ 44.645002] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the correct firmware (version 4).
[14:09:15] laga_: you just can't win
[14:09:15] mchou: a driver that knows about the future :)
[14:09:49] clever: its also giving direct links to a tar now
[14:09:57] clever: which i allready tried..
[14:10:08] syslogd: lol
[14:10:11] syslogd: Upgrade your kernel.
[14:10:32] clever: ok, how do i get apt-get upgrade to download.....
[14:10:42] mchou: that's so ridiculous
[14:10:54] syslogd: Download all deb files manually under Windows.
[14:11:23] clever: thats painfull
[14:11:32] clever: and it doesnt know of any updates
[14:11:47] clever: so id have to trick it into an apt-get update which doesnt want deb files
[14:11:59] syslogd: dpkg -i does
[14:12:17] clever: dpkg -i wont work until i know which files to download
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[14:12:53] syslogd: Uhm, I think kernel-headers and linux.
[14:13:14] clever: those are simply fake packages which depend on the latest version package
[14:13:32] syslogd: yeah
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[14:13:48] syslogd: Which distribution?
[14:13:51] syslogd: Debian?
[14:13:51] clever: and when i apt-cache show linux, i get the old info from when i was online 3 months ago
[14:13:55] clever: ubuntu 8.04
[14:13:59] syslogd: Ok.
[14:15:26] clever: and when i do download .tar.bz2 files under IE, i wind up with .tar.tar files!
[14:16:24] syslogd: Who's still using IE?
[14:16:33] syslogd: There are much better browsers.
[14:16:56] clever: its my dads work laptop :P
[14:17:06] clever: they would kill if you used something that actualy works
[14:17:23] syslogd: Hm, packages.ubuntu.com is not working here. Do you know if they have a mirror server? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=na . . . ywords=linux
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[14:17:32] syslogd: lol
[14:18:11] clever: i cant check my sources.list :P
[14:18:16] syslogd: ツ
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[14:18:50] clever: was that a face or a hirigana!
[14:19:15] syslogd: That's a japanese vocal that looks like a smiley.
[14:19:25] clever: i know its japanese
[14:19:31] syslogd: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:fZ-lgAn4 . . . client=Arora
[14:19:38] syslogd: Package: linux-kernel-devel (2.6.24–19.41) [security] <--
[14:19:42] syslogd: Wow, that's really outdated.
[14:19:52] clever: im running 2.6.24-something
[14:20:12] syslogd: I am currently compiling 2.6.27 on my router and all other machines are using 2.6.26.
[14:20:15] clever: [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.24-19-generic (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3–2ubuntu7)) #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 23:41:49 UTC 2008 (Ubuntu 2.6.24–19.36-generic)
[14:20:31] syslogd: That's why I do not like Ubuntu. It is not a rolling-release.
[14:20:45] clever: the beta release might roll
[14:20:48] clever: until it becomes final
[14:21:18] syslogd: yeah, but you have to wait half a year to get new stable versions
[14:21:28] syslogd: on Gentoo I can ahve them just after they have been released
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[14:22:47] clever: bbl
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[14:22:55] syslogd: Is there a Intel Atom motherboard with 4 PCI slots?
[14:23:21] syslogd: I was only able to find those mini ATX boards. :(
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[14:43:56] darkdrgn2k: Hey guys, is there a way to control MPD from myth?
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[14:49:13] syslogd: Yep.
[14:49:16] syslogd: With http://www.mackers.com/projects/mythmpd/.
[14:49:26] darkdrgn2k: yep...
[14:49:28] darkdrgn2k: i was afraid of that
[14:49:31] syslogd: I have not tried it out yet.
[14:49:32] darkdrgn2k: looks like i gatta clean that up
[14:49:39] syslogd: ツ
[14:50:24] darkdrgn2k: it crashes when you push exitg
[14:51:06] syslogd: Oh.
[14:51:17] syslogd: Perhaps you need an older version of MythTV.
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[14:59:00] darkdrgn2k: well it does display tyhe playlist IN mpd..
[14:59:02] darkdrgn2k: but thast about it lOL
[14:59:18] darkdrgn2k: kinda suprised myth doesnt have support for mpd..
[15:00:30] syslogd: I think it's because the main approach of MythTV is to be a media center.
[15:00:40] darkdrgn2k: yes, see here is my issue
[15:00:51] darkdrgn2k: my front end is a Dumb Box (1 gig flash card) just a front end,..
[15:00:59] darkdrgn2k: my backend computer is wired in to speakers throught the house.....
[15:01:12] darkdrgn2k: ...see my problem...
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[15:07:55] darkdrgn2k: ok one more thing
[15:08:04] darkdrgn2k: my front end is trying to connect to a backend that doesnt exist...
[15:08:08] darkdrgn2k: (old computer's ip)
[15:08:14] darkdrgn2k: first.. then connects to the current
[15:08:20] darkdrgn2k: is there a way i can tell it not to
[15:08:37] darkdrgn2k: "2008-10–12 06:49:36.179 Testing network connectivity to 192.168.32.200"
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[15:21:59] justinh: darkdrgn2k: all backends & frontends find out where other backends live by talking to the database
[15:22:07] justinh: i.e. the details in your database are wrong
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[15:31:53] clev: syslogd: yay!
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[15:32:46] clev: syslogd: i rebooted to a 2.6.22 kernel so that r8180 would work, which fixed my 2nd wifi card
[15:33:06] clev: which also broke nvidia so now im using the vesa driver
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[15:35:36] syslogd: clev: Is r8180 an ethernet card?
[15:36:12] clev: its a 802.11 b wifi card
[15:36:16] clev: pcmcia
[15:36:31] clev: i knew i would have problems with the internal card so i packed an extra
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[15:36:41] syslogd: ah
[15:36:44] clev: but it turns out the driver for the pcmcia card is missing under 2.6.24
[15:37:09] syslogd: have you also tried 2.6.27?
[15:37:10] clev: had to go with the older 2.6.22 kernel to get that
[15:37:13] syslogd: ok
[15:37:25] clev: i'll try to update apt
[15:37:28] syslogd: ok
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[15:38:15] clev: crap, 32mins left on batery
[15:38:42] syslogd: heh
[15:38:57] clev: 30
[15:39:14] clev: 33
[15:39:42] clev: syslogd: no 2.6.27 in the repo
[15:39:51] darkdrgn2k: justinh: that is odd, because the databasae is brand new...
[15:39:57] clev: no .26 or .25 either
[15:40:04] darkdrgn2k: justinh: you think maybe its trying to find the database server?
[15:40:17] syslogd: clev: Hmm. Upgrade to Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex.
[15:40:25] syslogd: Or install Gentoo. :P
[15:41:03] clev: ok, you want me to install a new distro while on 20% signal strenght with a stolen wifi signal?
[15:41:12] clev: this might take a while...
[15:41:24] syslogd: yep
[15:41:33] syslogd: Or Arch Linux. That's quite lightweight.
[15:41:46] syslogd: Works perfectly on my USB stick. ツ
[15:41:57] clev: i got a 4gig usb stick:P
[15:42:09] clev: thats enough for a full ubuntu install
[15:42:27] clev: but i only have 30mins of batery left
[15:42:37] darkdrgn2k: ok
[15:42:44] darkdrgn2k: what is the local backend for
[15:42:52] darkdrgn2k: (if im just running a frontend on this machne)
[15:43:04] clev: bbl
[15:44:08] darkdrgn2k: foudn it mysql.txt!
[15:45:33] syslogd: clev: Arch Linux fits on a 2 GB stick.
[15:45:39] syslogd: But I only have 50 MB for data. :(
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[15:49:42] lbt: hi – I'm having an intermittent problem recording on a dvb-s card. Myth is fine 99% of the time but *sometimes* there are a couple of channels that don't record. the file is just missing.
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[15:49:57] lbt: here's a log sample http://pastebin.com/m2ea1698c
[15:50:35] lbt: that was followed by a successful record (on dvb)
[15:51:37] lbt: this is the debian multimedia release 0.21.20080304–1
[15:51:45] darkdrgn2k: lbt: reception issues?
[15:52:09] lbt: don't think so – it tunes fine manually
[15:52:38] lbt: we've not had a problem selecting the channel; it appears fine
[15:53:01] lbt: I've done it via numbers and via the programme guide
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[15:54:30] lbt: as I mentioned there are 2 channels 9195 and 9140 (not that that means anything :)
[15:55:11] lbt: we set a recording at 10:28am on 9140 and 10:58 on 9195.
[15:55:28] lbt: sorry, we set a recording at 10:28am on 9195 and 10:58 on 9140
[15:55:50] lbt: the first recording (pastebin'ed) failed, the second succeeded
[15:56:21] lbt: then we trired 9195 followed by 9140, same again, first one fails, second succeeds...
[15:57:15] lbt: the odd thing is there is no error in the logs!
[15:59:20] lbt: another failed recording http://pastebin.com/m2c8867da
[16:03:20] GlemSom: I got this cardreader: http://www.adteknik.se/english/usbphoenix.htm And since there is Linux software – i kinda assumed there was Linux drivers aswell. The documentation states that a usb tty device should be created... But it is not on my system :/ Could I be missing something in my kernel?
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[16:07:53] darkdrgn2k: ok, if a remote is to sensative with lirc, how can i make it less sensative
[16:09:15] lbt: you mean it's too 'fast' when you press the button on the handheld remote?
[16:10:11] darkdrgn2k: press right
[16:10:17] darkdrgn2k: it is as if i pressed it 3 times!
[16:10:34] lbt: yep, you can change the config... lemme see
[16:11:54] lbt: that's it... lircrc
[16:11:57] lbt: http://pastebin.com/m3155914c
[16:12:04] lbt: use a 'repeat' command
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[16:27:24] darkdrgn2k: umm
[16:27:25] darkdrgn2k: stupid question
[16:27:35] darkdrgn2k: how do you lic the things on the left sidfe of teh image browser:
[16:27:41] darkdrgn2k: nm
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[16:34:24] theBishop: can anyone recommend a TV tuner with 2 tuners that can capture 5.1 audio?
[16:35:55] mchou: yeah. atsc/qam tuners :)
[16:36:58] mchou: that's assuming the source has 5.1 broadcast
[16:39:05] theBishop: mchou, is the audio sent to the sound card through the PCI-e bus, or do you need to connect an SPDIF cable between the tuner and sound card?
[16:39:21] theBishop: mchou, i used to have an SD tuner that needed an 1/8" stereo cable between them
[16:39:34] mchou: lol
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[16:39:50] mchou: theBishop: you clearly didnt get the joke
[16:40:14] mchou: theBishop: ATSC/qam cards recieve digital mpeg
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[16:40:42] mchou: there is no audio cable needed
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[16:41:31] mchou: gbee: so I've having real issue with mythtv playback on 2009.0
[16:41:36] mchou: issues*
[16:42:02] mchou: gbee: issues which I didnt have in 2008.1
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[16:42:09] theBishop: so any sound card that does surround sound output can play 5.1 from a atsc tuner? that's greay
[16:42:11] theBishop: *great
[16:42:13] xv6800: hi ... newbie here.
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[16:42:33] xv6800: can someone help me to figure out what I am doing wrong?
[16:42:40] xv6800: my signal wont lock.
[16:42:50] mchou: xv6800: which card?
[16:43:05] gbee: mchou: I'm having problems, though not with playback but with it generally consuming more resources than it did before, I'm not sure whether to blame X or the nvidia driver
[16:43:13] mchou: xv6800: make and model
[16:43:13] xv6800: nexus-s
[16:43:29] mchou: xv6800: sorry, dont know that HW
[16:43:31] xv6800: dvb-s
[16:43:59] mchou: gbee: I blame the nvidia beta display driver they included
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[16:44:18] daddysmurf: question: I've just started looking at mythtv, and was thinking of setting up a small box for my entire home. is it possible to serve multiple rooms with multiple tuners without dedicating any tuners to any room?
[16:44:23] mchou: xv6800: cant help you out there
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[16:44:46] theBishop: mchou, is there a list of supported tv tuners somewhere?
[16:44:47] xv6800: thanks mchou
[16:44:51] mchou: daddysmurf: the question makes no sense at all
[16:45:08] gbee: mchou: updated the driver and though it's a slight improvement it's not where it was two days ago, I can't even remember which driver I was on before
[16:45:14] mchou: daddysmurf: you dont deicate tuners to 'rooms' for myth
[16:45:25] mchou: dedicate*
[16:46:14] daddysmurf: mchou: I haven't even touched the program yet, but I'm trying to research options before I take any steps
[16:46:15] mchou: gbee: 2009.0 even with kde3 is totally unusable a a myth frontend
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[16:46:32] mchou: as*
[16:47:07] mchou: gbee: thank goodness I use A/B drive strategy
[16:47:19] mchou: gbee: easy to revert
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[16:47:48] gbee: yeah, I'd have to dig out the 2008 dvd and format :/
[16:48:09] mchou: gbee: lol. good luck man :)
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[16:48:54] gbee: I'll revert to 3.5, if that doesn't clear up the high cpu problems with mythfrontend I guess I'll have to take that root
[16:49:00] gbee: disappointing :(
[16:49:49] mchou: I'm sure I can make it work in 2009.0 but I dont want to spend time debugging it
[16:50:05] mchou: especially when 2008.1 works great
[16:50:06] janneg: gbee: have you tried disabling the desktop effects?
[16:50:25] gbee: janneg: disabled most, but there may be some that I've missed
[16:50:58] janneg: gbee: there is a switch to disable them all
[16:51:21] mchou: janneg: what's the switch?
[16:51:41] gbee: as an example, the scrolling text stuff I'm working on used 10% cpu on Friday, following the upgrade it's hitting over 20%
[16:51:56] janneg: "enable desktop effects" in system settings -> desktop -> desktop effects
[16:52:20] mchou: janneg: in kcontrol or where?
[16:52:52] janneg: I see frame drops while playing 720p with it enabled
[16:52:55] gbee: I've got all that disabled, most of it as aside effect of not having xcomposite
[16:53:23] janneg: mchou: kcontrol is replaced by system settings in kde4
[16:53:45] gbee: xcomposite is incompatible with xinerama, which I need since twinview is unusably slow with this onboard 6200
[16:54:45] mchou: janneg: I'm not using kde4 :)
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[16:55:26] janneg: gbee: have you tried starting a simple X session without kwin? it might be driver/x-server related then
[16:55:38] James__: hello. i am trying to get my remote control to work. i am using irw to troubleshoot. when i use irw, it just exits and lircd appears to have crashed. can anyone help?
[16:56:01] janneg: mchou: then forgat everything I said, it won't help you
[16:56:16] gbee: janneg: not yet, but I'll give that a go before I resort to downgrading the distro
[16:57:00] gbee: I'm pretty sure it's driver/X related at this point, but I'm not sure there is an easy solution
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[17:01:45] gbee: it's not affecting playback at this point and it will encourage me to keep tweaking to improve the performance of the mythui painters and effects :)
[17:02:20] gbee: but I won't be upgrading my other machines until the issues are sorted out upstream
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[17:09:59] LanUser: Hello – what would explain the CPU usage difference between channels on an HDHR? A channel with an HD show uses low CPU but a channel with a non-HD program maxes xorg's CPU usage to 100%
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[17:19:45] gbee: HD doesn't necessarily mean it's high bitrate
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[17:22:11] Shadow_7: What creates /dev/video? As far as kernel modules go. I have udev rules for it. Or at least it works on my webcam. I just got a Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick on Friday. Finally got the 801e driver installed (dib0700, xc5000, s5h1411) and have /dev/dvb/* stuff, but not /dev/video0.
[17:22:42] stuarta: udev creates them
[17:22:52] Shadow_7: what triggers the creation?
[17:23:10] stuarta: finding the hardware / hotplug IIRC
[17:23:28] Shadow_7: I have udev rules. ibmcam creates one if I use the webcam. But not dvb-usb-dib0700 for the tv card.
[17:23:42] stuarta: the Pinnacle PCTV HD sounds like a digital receiver. is it?
[17:24:07] Shadow_7: It does ATSC and others to include radio.
[17:24:14] Shadow_7: (just not for me in linux yet)
[17:24:31] stuarta: right, ATSC is digital, so i'd only expect /dev/dvb/ entries
[17:24:50] Shadow_7: so how do I watch channels with it? with only /dev/dvb entries?
[17:25:10] Shadow_7: ln -s /dev/dvb/adapter0 /dev/video0 ?
[17:25:28] stuarta: setup a dvb card in myth
[17:25:56] stuarta: or try firstly something like kaffeine to prove the card is working
[17:26:07] Shadow_7: tvtime, xawtv, kaffeine, all seem to do their own thing. Some device acknoledgement, but not video.
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[17:26:30] stuarta: the /dev/video* are all for analogue inputs
[17:26:39] stuarta: which this is not
[17:26:44] Shadow_7: Kaffeine sees the s5h1411 QAM part of the card. But channels on there doesn't let me select anything
[17:27:17] stuarta: have you scanned for channels?
[17:27:26] Shadow_7: First time TV card user. Long time linux user. On Debian stable, so mythtv will have to come from sources I suppose.
[17:27:36] Shadow_7: how to scan for them? azap? scan?
[17:27:39] stuarta: there are packages somewhere
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[17:28:09] Shadow_7: somewhere, but not here. debian.org and debian-multimedia.org repositories.
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[17:30:29] Shadow_7: As I downloaded the v4l-dvb stuff with hg about 5 times now. (over dialup)
[17:31:01] Shadow_7: saa52* seems to barf. FInally figured out to mod ./v4l/.config to exclude it.
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[17:33:51] roz__: i just got a Pinnacle 800i HDTV card. Can anyone point me in the direction to get started
[17:34:58] Shadow_7: roz_: have you tried the 800e path?
[17:35:12] Shadow_7: as opposed to my (801e) path
[17:35:55] roz__: No I have not
[17:37:14] Shadow_7: stuarta: the card also does analog. But the driver doesn't (YET).
[17:37:22] stuarta: k
[17:37:39] justinh: you wouldn't really want an analogue framegrabber card anyway IMHO
[17:37:53] Shadow_7: roz_: http://devinjh.livejournal.com/140981.html
[17:37:55] Shadow_7: for 801e
[17:37:57] roz__: Shadow_7: whats the difference between the 800e and the 800i?
[17:38:18] Shadow_7: justinh: at the moment, that's why I got it. I have some old VHS tapes I want to digitize.
[17:38:37] justinh: oops
[17:38:46] justinh: mythtv isn't best suited to that task either
[17:38:52] justinh: </newsflash>
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[17:39:19] Shadow_7: well all others have failed to yeild anything usable yet.
[17:39:39] Shadow_7: And mythtv seems to advertise as a PVR.
[17:40:11] Shadow_7: roz_: http://www.2nrds.com/digital-tv-in-linux-with-em28xx-devices
[17:40:15] Shadow_7: for 800e
[17:40:17] sphery: mythtv is a PVR. Recording old VHS tapes is a job for dd or cat...  :)
[17:40:46] sphery: Unless, of course, you get listings information from XMLTV that shows what time all your VHS videos begin and end.
[17:40:59] Shadow_7: So I should have bought a Canon HV30 instead.
[17:41:02] sphery: Then, MythTV is perfect for it.  :)
[17:41:25] roz__: sphery: the simple "R" button works just fine for recording
[17:41:41] sphery: We're just saying that in MythTV, you have to create a manual recording rule specifying when to start the recording and how long to record. Then you have to hit play on the VCR at the right time. Then you let it play
[17:42:10] justinh: PVR != VCR
[17:42:13] Shadow_7: So no realtime button to start / end now?
[17:42:31] justinh: if there's no guide data you're limited to how long you can keep recording in one piece
[17:42:38] justinh: as was always the case
[17:43:01] sphery: roz__: if you use R, it a) doesn't get a good title, subtitle, description, b) only records for up-to 30 minutes (i.e. recording will end at the hour and half hour), c) gets put in the LiveTV group, so it will be expired with prejudice and d) a whole bunch of other things that make MythTV not ideal for digitizing old VCR tapes.
[17:43:11] Shadow_7: like pressing space during the commercials to pause recording.
[17:43:19] sphery: nop
[17:43:19] justinh: nope
[17:43:28] sphery: justinh is a better speller than me
[17:43:33] justinh: lol
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[17:43:45] justinh: we're not saying you can't use mythtv for that – more that there are better ways
[17:43:57] sphery: exactly
[17:44:07] roz__: I guess when I've done it, I've taken it then straight to DVD
[17:44:13] sphery: some people do it. I find dd to be ideal (though cat is simpler)
[17:44:24] justinh: and FWIW, you'd honestly be better off with a DV camcorder or a standalone DVD recorder
[17:44:45] Shadow_7: At the moment I just want to get something. Running Vista to use the device is cucio. And annoying to have to address a nag screen every 30 seconds.
[17:45:07] justinh: a lot of DV camcorders have analogue inputs you can enable by flicking a menu option. Best possible way to capture from VHS IMHO
[17:45:23] justinh: although you won't be able to record any protected material that way
[17:45:30] Shadow_7: true, but many of those use tapes as their storage medium.
[17:45:53] Shadow_7: I was looking at the HDD based HG20. Which has no AV INPUT. So I got this card instead.
[17:45:58] ** sphery just re-creates his home videos for the digital era. Just last week I re-filmed my 1st birthday party. **
[17:46:01] justinh: Shadow_7: yeah but the quality is fantastic, and you'd only be using it as an intermediary anyway
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[17:46:11] justinh: aaaaaaaaaaaaaand you don't even have to record it to tape
[17:46:16] Shadow_7: And as a cheaper tide me over until I can afford the sub $1K camcorders.
[17:46:59] justinh: well worth spending a little extra & getting something with analogue in & out.. you never know ;)
[17:47:05] Shadow_7: Actually on the HV30 you do have to record it to tape. The flash media is for STILLS only.
[17:47:07] jblack: Hmmm. I wonder if you can use the svideo input on a pchdtv to recode VCR tapes.
[17:47:25] roz__: I just wooted the Pinnacle 800i, and now I am ready to set it up. Where can I get started?
[17:47:31] justinh: Shadow_7: on my sister-in-law's crappy JVC 'corder, analogue input is output over firewire directly :D
[17:47:41] Shadow_7: actually the HV30 is cheaper. Just tape based, and I don't want to have to swap tapes every hour on the hour.
[17:47:59] roz__: right now I am rebuilding Mplayer and mythtv with DVB support
[17:47:59] justinh: my concern with mpeg recorders is generational loss
[17:48:20] Shadow_7: Plus tapes add noise to the audio track.
[17:48:22] justinh: slap the mpeg into a video editor & output it as mpeg again... generational loss
[17:48:38] ** stuarta goes to make dinner **
[17:48:45] justinh: Shadow_7: video worth its salt NEVER uses the built-in mic
[17:49:13] Shadow_7: Yes, true, but if you've got the outboard mic next to the camcorder (and it's tape drive...)
[17:49:15] justinh: I've never left much original camcorder audio on home videos. way too tinny, too much wind noise...
[17:49:27] justinh: anyway we digress :P
[17:49:54] justinh: a $15 ACME tuner card will do. tuners always let cheaper cards down but you won't be using the tuner ;)
[17:50:08] Shadow_7: So any DVB for dummy's book out there?
[17:50:19] justinh: heck you can pipe a framegrabber device directly into mencoder
[17:50:32] justinh: Shadow_7: DVB what?
[17:50:40] Shadow_7: First time tv card user, so it's all new to me. And debian (stable) doesn't appear to be to par by default.
[17:50:42] justinh: S, T or C.. que?
[17:51:12] justinh: everybody has to have a first time
[17:51:13] Shadow_7: up to par even
[17:51:13] ** simcop2387 wishes he could get lots of free to air DVB stuff **
[17:51:35] justinh: Shadow_7: basically, DVB devices should end up in the /dev tree under /dev/dvb/adapterX
[17:51:52] justinh: there are 5 or 6 subnodes under there but you needn't concern yourself with them
[17:51:54] Shadow_7: Well in windows I only had about six channels. Technically two, with HD, SD, and various versions of the same channel(s).
[17:52:05] roz__: IM a DVB Newbie too
[17:52:13] justinh: check that the drivers are loaded correctly & things appear normal with the _dmesg_ command
[17:52:30] justinh: you're likely to need firmware for the tuner card put somewhere like /lib/firmware too
[17:52:47] Shadow_7: that much appears to be okay. (although I don't now what "normal" looks like for these drivers)
[17:52:48] justinh: search on distro-specific howto guides based on the tuner card model
[17:53:06] justinh: so fire up an app like kaffeine
[17:53:19] justinh: scan for channels. if it succeeds in finding some & you can watch em... bingo
[17:53:22] Shadow_7: already have the firmware part of the previous urls step by step howto.
[17:53:39] justinh: or you can just use the commandline dvb-utils scan utility
[17:53:42] Shadow_7: I have /dev/dvb/ stuff. Just don't know how to use that in other apps.
[17:53:57] justinh: only certain apps support using DVB tuner cards directly
[17:54:07] Shadow_7: xawtv shows a blank screen. I actually have to Cntrl+Alt+Backspace out of X to get out of it.
[17:54:11] justinh: kaffeine is one of them, and there's a funny version of xine which can
[17:54:20] justinh: xawtv & tvtime are both for analogue
[17:54:29] Shadow_7: tvtime shows a blue screen (no video) (or audio), with a no signal message.
[17:54:32] justinh: i.e. they cannot do DVB
[17:54:47] Shadow_7: mplayer dvb:// doesn't do much either.
[17:54:48] justinh: kaffeine. Get it installed
[17:55:06] Shadow_7: kaffeine shows the device, but does nothing for channel selection / setup.
[17:55:18] justinh: well duh.. you need to scan for channels
[17:55:28] Shadow_7: by something other than kaffeine?
[17:55:34] justinh: in kaffeine
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[17:55:44] Shadow_7: Doesn't give me anything to select to do that.
[17:56:12] roz__: I believe I am behind where you two are at. I am wondering what I need for the Pinnacle 800i driver-wise.
[17:56:25] Shadow_7: hence DVB for dummy's request.
[17:57:31] justinh: Shadow_7: is the device greyed out in kaffeine?
[17:57:37] justinh: if so you may not have permission to use it
[17:57:48] justinh: in which case make sure your user is part of the 'video' group
[17:57:51] laga_: i think dutchloki recently extended the user manual with a DVB-S guide
[17:58:08] Shadow_7: When it starts it shows the Samsung s5h1411 QAM part.
[17:58:44] Shadow_7: Lets me select TV. Then black video and no way to alter that. Channels comes up, but has nothing to select from.
[17:58:45] justinh: well, if pinnacle's 800i card is supported in linux, the linuxtv.org wiki doesn't say so
[17:59:17] Shadow_7: roz_: It seems to need the same xc5000 firmware as the 801e
[17:59:27] justinh: roz__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . _Card_(800i)
[17:59:43] justinh: you guys really should work on your search-fu :P
[18:00:15] roz__: OH its not DVB maybe?
[18:00:23] Shadow_7: Well I have the driver...
[18:00:34] roz__: Its on the ATSC PCI Cards page
[18:00:43] Shadow_7: Just trying to get it to do something other than show up in lsmod
[18:01:04] justinh: Shadow_7: well, does the rest of the howto you spoke of earlier say anything about manually scanning for channels from the commandline?
[18:01:17] justinh: chances are, if you try that and it finds stuff, it's a worker
[18:01:52] Shadow_7: The howto stops at the end of installing the driver.
[18:01:55] justinh: and listen folks never get me wrong – it's OKAY to ask questions about specifics you read in howto guides. REALLY
[18:02:00] Shadow_7: Nothing on how to use the driver.
[18:02:26] justinh: nothing about confirming the card works after installing the driver? FFS what a tool
[18:02:34] Shadow_7: And I've had to hack at the code level to get this far.
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[18:03:05] Shadow_7: Well, the driver is supposed to be merged with 2.6.28 (whenever it comes out)
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[18:03:28] justinh: hell when I first started out, I had to patch the kernel (like I think you just did), but the howto I was following gave not one but two methods of testing it
[18:03:31] Shadow_7: In the meantime I had to compile the kernel module from v4l-dvb.
[18:03:36] banyan: Hello... what mysql table holds the recordings I want scheduled?
[18:03:49] justinh: banyan: record
[18:03:53] justinh: funny, that
[18:04:04] justinh: Shadow_7: well fine. is this for DVB or ATSC ?
[18:04:17] justinh: i.e. US/Canada or Europe/Australia ?
[18:04:25] Shadow_7: Beets me. It just says analog is not yet supported.
[18:04:31] Shadow_7: US
[18:04:46] justinh: if analogue isn't yet supported, forget all about analogue
[18:05:24] justinh: but if you want to get it working in a digital capacity – think about it you may aswell ;)
[18:06:10] banyan: ok... there's stuff in the record table, but my frontend swears I haven't scheduled any programs to be recorded.
[18:06:30] justinh: run mythtv_optimise_db.pl
[18:06:44] banyan: was that for me?
[18:06:45] justinh: your database is probably home to some fecked tables
[18:06:46] justinh: yes
[18:06:59] justinh: or restart mythbackend with --resched
[18:07:22] Shadow_7: justinh: I may also be missing some I2C stuff.
[18:07:46] banyan: I manually did a mythfilldatabase, which would have triggered a reschedule, would it not have?
[18:07:47] Shadow_7: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /025395.html
[18:07:57] Shadow_7: describes my current issue I guess.
[18:11:23] banyan: justinh: is mythtv_optimise.pl in the standard package of mythtv?
[18:13:27] laga_: banyan: it's optimize_mythdb.pl
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[18:14:23] banyan: you wouldn't happen to know where it gets installed on a typical fedora installation would you?
[18:14:46] jj_james: hello. i am trying to get my remote control to work. i am using irw to troubleshoot. when i use irw, it just exits and lircd appears to have crashed. can anyone help?
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[18:16:52] banyan: em, should I have stopped the backend before running this? heh...
[18:17:06] wagnerrp: doesnt your package manager have a way of tracking what files belong to what packages?
[18:17:34] banyan: not if I don't know exactly what the name is.
[18:17:54] wagnerrp: you cant list what packages are installed?
[18:17:55] banyan: But I found it...
[18:18:25] banyan: jj_james: it sounds like you may not have the module loaded for your lirc device.
[18:19:35] jj_james: banyan: lsmod shows that lirc_i2c and lirc_dev are loaded...
[18:20:17] banyan: Check the permissions on the /dev/lirc* files.
[18:21:17] banyan: I used to have occasional issues with my microsoft remote receiver thing...
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[18:21:22] jj_james: banyan: ls /dev/lirc*
[18:21:22] jj_james: shows only one file, /dev/lircd
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[18:21:54] banyan: ok, that could be. It should be a character device and it should be readable by everybody.
[18:22:55] banyan: is it a directory? I seem to remember sometimes the individual lirc devices showed up under a directory in /dev.
[18:23:15] jj_james: srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2008-10–12 18:51 /dev/lircd
[18:24:10] jj_james: hanyan: it is not a directory
[18:24:15] jj_james: banyan: it is not a directory
[18:25:04] jj_james: banyan: it is not a ms remote, it is a hauppauge wintv card
[18:28:12] banyan: check to see whether you're running lircd --
[18:28:18] banyan: service lircd status
[18:30:22] syslogd: Goodbye.
[18:30:23] jj_james: banyan: lircd is running, but after i run irw, it appears to crash: status "lircd dead but subsys locked"
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[18:30:57] banyan: yep, that's what mine says. I don't have the devices plugged in tho.
[18:31:20] banyan: You have the little rca jack plugged into the hauppauge card?
[18:31:30] banyan: (from the IR receiver?)
[18:32:48] banyan: maybe try giving the lircd service a restart. If it keeps coming up dead, check the log.
[18:33:52] jj_james: banyan: the rca jack is plugged in. i've restarted lircd, but same thing happens. Where do i find the log?
[18:34:26] banyan: It seems like the messages go right into /var/log/messages.
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[18:34:38] banyan: or wherever your system puts dmesg files.
[18:38:25] jj_james: banyan: in log file i can see: can't get exclusive access to events comming from `/dev/input/' interface
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[18:38:48] jj_james: and error reading '/dev/input/'
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[18:51:36] banyan: jj_james: what distro are you running?
[18:52:25] jj_james: banyan: mythdora
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[18:55:33] banyan: it seems like you don't have the actual device in /dev. You just have the socket.
[18:56:00] leprasmurf: hello all. Am I able to upgrade from mythtv .20 to .21 without changing the database? I have a sql dump from .20 and want to import it to a new install on .21.
[18:56:52] cesman: when you upgrade, MythTV should update the schema itself...
[18:58:09] leprasmurf: what if you're working on a fresh install for upgrade purposes?
[18:58:44] cesman: when you upgrade, MythTV should update the schema itself...
[18:59:14] cesman: does your "fresh install", import the db, then start MythTV
[18:59:24] leprasmurf: no
[18:59:25] cesman: MythTV should update the schema itself...
[18:59:42] cesman: s/does/do
[19:00:01] leprasmurf: ok, so importing the sql file won't mess the db up
[19:00:30] cesman: why would it?
[19:00:33] leprasmurf: that's what I'm asking. it has the nice "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS" entry, and I didn't want to blow away the new db when I imported the old
[19:00:48] leprasmurf: :%s/db/table/
[19:01:14] cesman: if you have a complete backup of your 0.20 db, you'll want to restore MySQL before you start 0.21
[19:02:19] cesman: unless you have a corrupt db or did some manual dicking w/ it...
[19:02:23] cesman: MythTV should update the schema itself...
[19:02:38] leprasmurf: I had wanted to selectively import based on the table. to try and clean up the clutter of a primary/experimental box.
[19:03:10] leprasmurf: import just the recorded table and the recordings table for example (probably some other ones as well, but you get the idea)
[19:03:30] cesman: importing those two table will work
[19:03:48] clev: ugh, 800x600!
[19:04:25] leprasmurf: ok, cool. ty
[19:05:33] jj_james: banyan: looks like it. any ideas on why the device is not in /dev
[19:05:38] jj_james: ?
[19:05:51] banyan: Well, I've run optimize_mythtv.pl and I did a --resched, and I still have no recordings.
[19:05:58] clev: driver not loaded?, udev not working?
[19:06:20] banyan: ah, there's another thing. udev needs to create the device file for you.
[19:06:42] banyan: or that's the usual thing anyway.
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[19:07:05] wibbit: Hello All
[19:07:13] wibbit: I have a question
[19:07:18] wibbit: I've currently got assorted video files, some with AC3 audio, some with out.
[19:07:20] cesman: leprasmurf: you're welcome
[19:07:25] wibbit: I have a spdif connection between my PC and my amp.
[19:07:31] wibbit: My Amp can decode AC3 data.
[19:07:34] cesman: leprasmurf: that is documented in the mythtv docs, so give it a read...
[19:07:45] wibbit: I'm trying to use mplayer to play these files using the video plugin
[19:08:31] wibbit: I've got mplayer sending the ac3 audio encoded, down the spdif interface using -ac hwac3 switch
[19:09:03] wibbit: I've also got mplayer sending non ac3 data down the spdif interace by using -ao alsa:device=spdif
[19:09:04] sphery: leprasmurf: I recommend http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[19:09:30] wibbit: However if I use -ao alsa:device=spdif AND -ac hwac3 together on a file with AC3 audio, every thing works fine
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[19:09:44] wibbit: If I use them together on a file that does not have AC3 audio, then I hear no sound
[19:10:06] sphery: wibbit: you have to include a trailing comma at the end for a fallback...
[19:10:08] clev: wibbit: you can set a list of audio codecs, -ac hwac3,something,something...
[19:10:20] sphery: yeah, or -ac hwac3,
[19:10:25] clev: ahhh yes and -ac hwac3, would mean try everything else when hwac3 fails
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[19:12:18] leprasmurf: sphery: thanks, I'll look through it
[19:12:37] wibbit: Does any one have a suggestion, as to how I can get All the audio piped down the spdif interface AND have raw AC3 audio sent down the spdif interface
[19:12:37] wibbit: ?
[19:13:05] banyan: I'm getting mythsocket errors in my backend log.
[19:13:09] banyan: what's that about?
[19:13:27] leprasmurf: cesman: I generally don't have a problem with import/exports, but I was looking for any help when dealing with an upgrade
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[19:14:01] cesman: leprasmurf: aahhhh ok...
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[19:14:23] cesman: leprasmurf: there isn't anything _new_ I can add to the conversation...
[19:15:27] leprasmurf: cesman: well thanks for the help
[19:15:40] cesman: you're welcome
[19:16:10] wibbit: most excellent
[19:16:11] ** wibbit goes off to test **
[19:16:11] wibbit: wiiieeeee
[19:16:11] wibbit: :D
[19:16:13] wibbit: it works
[19:18:21] wibbit: as my amp can do hardware ac3 and dts, I should have -ac hwac3,hwdts, I guess
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[19:23:07] banyan: could there be any kind of versionitis if I added a frontend from livna on f9 to my myth system with a backend that is f8 from atrpms?
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[19:25:13] clev: banyan: all systems have to run the same mythtv version
[19:27:56] banyan: as in, 0.21? or as in exactly the same version?
[19:28:39] clev: exactly the same version would work best
[19:28:49] clev: you could just install the same .rpm on each
[19:28:51] banyan: The backend is 0.21.20080304–1 and the front end is 0.21–7.lvn9.
[19:29:08] banyan: I could if they were both running f9 (or f8)...
[19:29:17] banyan: and if they were both the same arch...
[19:29:24] clev: the f9 version might not work on the f8 system
[19:29:47] clev: but the f8 would work on f9 since most things are backward compatible
[19:30:07] clev: what im doing, i just compile identical versions for each version of the distro
[19:30:26] clev: so i have a seperate build directory from svn(on matching revisions) for ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04
[19:30:37] banyan: you mean the backend could be newer but probably not the frontend.
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[19:31:25] clev: if the backend is newer, it will upgrade the database
[19:31:25] clev: if the backend is newer, it will upgrade the databaseand then break every older system
[19:31:40] clev: (irssi goes nuts when ssh lags)
[19:32:13] cesman: he means, MythTV uses a "Protocol" the version of that protocol must match for master/slave/frontends to talk to one another
[19:32:17] sphery: and if the frontend is newer, it will refuse to start and tell you to upgrade the backend or downgrade the frontend
[19:32:17] banyan: I probably have to go buy a new video card. It's nvidia legacy in my backend, which doesn't let me go to f9. If I can get rid of that limitation I can run f9 everywhere and no probs.
[19:32:32] banyan: Oh, it runs.
[19:32:42] clev: cesman: theres 2 points for it to break at, the network protocol and the db version
[19:32:55] sphery: and the DB schema version
[19:33:03] clev: cesman: if it breaks at the network layer, it just spews errors
[19:33:20] clev: but if it conflicts at the db schema, it breaks all older systems by upgrading
[19:33:23] sphery: (the DB schema version shouldn't generally change for a release)
[19:33:48] banyan: But now I get mythsocket errors...
[19:34:10] banyan: and the backend on what should be the master backend always starts up as a slave backend.
[19:34:31] banyan: and then says it can't contact the master to reschedule.
[19:34:33] clev: it decides if its master or slave based on (ownip == masterip)
[19:34:35] sphery: so, if myth doesn't refuse to start, you have the same protocol version and same DB schema version
[19:34:55] clev: so you need to make shure the ip of the local backend matches the 'master' ip in mythtv-setup
[19:34:57] banyan: well, they are both 0.21
[19:35:17] ** sphery hopes they're both 0.21-fixes **
[19:35:23] banyan: and that has to not be 127.0.0.1 I assume.
[19:35:34] sphery: (if thy're red-hat packages, they are 0.21-fixes)
[19:35:38] clev: if its 127, then all remote systems will fail
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[19:36:28] banyan: the new front end I added is 0.21–7
[19:36:34] banyan: oh, sorry, misread you.
[19:38:37] banyan: hey, if I start mythbackend with a 'service mythbackend start' and I add --resched onto the end of that, will service pass the --resched on as an arg?
[19:39:46] clev: it would probly refuse to start the backend since its allready running
[19:40:28] Dagmar: The more useful answer is "we have no way of knowing what that script does, but usually *no*"
[19:41:01] clev: Dagmar: ive read the service script under redhat9, it simply runs /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[19:41:14] clev: with some wrappers to spew helpfull errors when the script doesnt exist
[19:41:38] banyan: yay! I think I fixed it. I put 192.168.0.4 in as both backend entries on the master and that seems to work fine.
[19:41:39] sphery: and, besides, mythbackend --resched is /not/ a daemon/shouldn't be run as a service
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[19:42:13] clev: sphery: yep, the proper way would be to maybe add a resched command to the service so you can /etc/init.d/mythbackend reshed
[19:42:28] clev: or just hide it behind the standard reload command
[19:43:50] sphery: why not just /usr/{,local/}bin/mythbackend --resched\
[19:44:04] clev: that wouldnt switch over to the mythtv user
[19:44:24] sphery: ahhh
[19:44:31] clev: it would fail enless the mysql.{txt,xml} was visible by your own user
[19:44:36] banyan: Anyway, it's seemingly happy now.
[19:44:46] sphery: I have my user and mythtv user set up to run myth{backend,frontend} on my Myth boxes
[19:44:58] clev: i allways run them under a sudo -u mythtv -i
[19:45:01] sphery: and I generally just ssh as mythtv when I need mythtv user
[19:45:11] clev: which screen is setup to open in a special 'tab' automaticaly
[19:45:21] banyan: can nv be made to run halfassed decently I wonder... or should I go drop some coin and upgrade my video card?
[19:45:37] banyan: 'cause I think I'd best get that backend running on f9.
[19:48:46] banyan: it's nvidia-legacy, which didn't get carried into f9, so it's either get it running with a generic driver or stay with f8 or buy a new card.
[19:49:23] mchou: banyan: what nvidia chip is on the card?
[19:49:52] clev: banyan: i have my nvidia card 'working' under the 'vesa' driver, but its only 800x600 and lacks xv
[19:50:12] clev: but dual core 1.8ghz is enough to hammer out most video without xv
[19:50:27] banyan: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1)
[19:50:36] clev: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)
[19:51:02] mchou: banyan: time to get a new vid card
[19:51:05] banyan: Yeah and the frame rate seems to be about 4 a second if you watch video.
[19:51:18] banyan: it'sbeen a while.
[19:51:26] mchou: banyan: Ti4200 is very old
[19:51:47] banyan: but I thought that was the supposedly great thing about the 'unified driver architecture' of nvidia.
[19:52:00] leprasmurf: is there a way to stop the backend from attempted to record (temporarily), but to leave the backend running?
[19:52:13] mchou: banyan: a 5x00 or 6x00 would suffice. cheap $35, if that
[19:52:42] mchou: banyan: unified drivers doesnt majically grow HW
[19:52:43] clev: leprasmurf: mythbackend --help
[19:52:44] banyan: I'll probably go get something reasonably current and decent.
[19:52:51] mchou: magically*
[19:52:56] leprasmurf: clev: tyvm
[19:53:57] banyan: anyway, thanks all... hope jj gets his lirc running. That's often a bit of a hair pulling exercise! (I've stopped using lirc in favour of my wireless keyboard.)
[19:54:30] banyan: mainly 'cause I like to watch tv with one eye and surf / chat with the other.
[19:54:47] clev: banyan: my lirc is a pain, right now receiving is broken so im using a keyboard on 20feet of extensions
[19:56:09] banyan: I went thru keyboards and pointing devices for a while, never being satisfied with something or other (range, or mouse lag, or just having a mouse period)...
[19:56:47] clev: my main problem is the ps2 connector and 2 adapters keep comming loose
[19:56:48] banyan: and then I bought my logitech dinovo (?) keyboard, with a touch pad right on it. Good range, and I don't need a surface to roll a damn pointer device on.
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[19:57:47] banyan: the keyboard has volume and not too much else so it's a bit basic but it works fairly well.
[19:58:05] banyan: it was a bit costly but I'm happy with it.
[19:58:14] clev: my keyboard is a small laptop like layout with the number pad hidden behind a Fn key combo
[19:58:23] clev: and it doesnt even have the windows key and all that new stuff
[19:59:01] banyan: I'd rather spend $200 and be happy than spend $89 and 'put up with it'.
[19:59:49] clev: i spent 0$ and dug a keyboard out of the basement :P
[20:00:34] banyan: hey, does anybody have recommendations on a good ntsc / atsc capture card? I don't want to have to stick with standard def forever.
[20:01:45] clev: brb, testing ndiswrapper
[20:03:03] fryfrog: banyan: you'd probably be better served buying a good (cheap) mpeg2 sd card for $40 and then when you go HD, decide what you want then.
[20:03:19] fryfrog: getting HD content into myth has a huge variety of ways, depending on how you get your HD
[20:05:37] banyan: I get it thru a motorola hd box.
[20:05:46] banyan: via digital cable
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[20:06:03] fryfrog: you can perhaps do HD now if you have a firewire card and firewire cable.
[20:06:15] fryfrog: but, that said there are still 2–3 options for you
[20:06:27] fryfrog: pci card that does QAM (getting you maybe 5–8 channels)
[20:06:42] fryfrog: firewire to STB getting you anywhere from none to all channels, crap shot
[20:07:04] fryfrog: new-fangled hd-pvr getting you everything that'll go out the component outputs
[20:07:14] fryfrog: (should be really *everything*)
[20:07:20] banyan: I have heard that my cable company has disabled all external outputs so that the firewire won't work.
[20:07:31] fryfrog: the last option is new and only supported in trunk, so waiting a while is probably best.
[20:07:47] fryfrog: banyan: if you already have an STB and it has firewire ports, it is probably worth a try.
[20:07:53] fryfrog: *disabling* them is illegal
[20:07:55] clev: banyan: they cant legaly disable the firewall
[20:07:58] clev: firewire*
[20:07:58] fryfrog: but 5c'ing the content is not.
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[20:08:13] banyan: I could get the pvr version of the cable box and stop using myth but I like being able to burn to disk.
[20:08:19] fryfrog: also "disable all external outputs" wouldn't that mean *everything* since the STB doesn't have a built in monitor?
[20:08:26] banyan: I'm canadian.
[20:08:30] fryfrog: oh
[20:08:34] banyan: so maybe the laws are different.
[20:08:34] fryfrog: damn canadians!
[20:08:38] fryfrog: yeah, likely :)
[20:08:44] clev: i am canadian!
[20:09:12] banyan: hey! at least we didn't crash the international financial system (and then expect the rest of the G7 to pay for it).
[20:09:26] fryfrog: just you wait, when we discover you have oil... we'll be "saving you from a dictatorship and/or weapons of mass destruction!" :)
[20:09:38] clev: lol
[20:09:40] banyan: or elect a blithering moron two terms in a row. Oh, wait... we kinda did that.
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[20:09:53] fryfrog: hang on, hang on... we are having financial problems?
[20:09:54] fryfrog: no wai!
[20:09:55] banyan: or, are about to.
[20:10:12] clev: fryfrog: the US problems are so bad, they made the news in japan
[20:10:18] banyan: well, ours isn't an idiot, he's just a bastard.
[20:10:35] banyan: whereabouts are you clev?
[20:10:37] fryfrog: japan is like "buy us now, so cheap!"
[20:10:40] clev: pugwash ns right now
[20:10:41] fryfrog: china too
[20:10:41] banyan: tyranna?
[20:11:00] banyan: nova scotia!
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[20:11:13] banyan: the sea bound coast and all that.
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[20:11:33] banyan: anyhoo, gonna get some exercise to make up for this sedentary hobby.  ;-)
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[20:12:17] clev: fryfrog: we allready found oil!
[20:12:59] clev: over in alberta
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[20:19:11] hachi: anyone using mythtv on openchrome with xvmc?
[20:19:22] hachi: I'm just wondering if this is working in .21
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[20:47:36] justinh: hachi: mzb_800 or whoever was proudly proclaiming he'd got it worky the other week
[20:48:24] iamlindoro: I myself just buy hardware for grownups
[20:49:53] banyan: I was just kidding about the US stuff. I'm sure the situation aggravates Americans way worse than it does anyone else (except maybe Iraqis.)
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[20:51:35] iamlindoro: regrettably we live in a country with so much open space that whackjobs can congregate amongst each other out in the sticks instead of being exposed to various races/lifestyles/ideas in the coastal city areas
[20:51:56] iamlindoro: ergo coastal/city voters tending to vote one way, and the vast expanses of rural voters tending to vote another
[20:52:04] banyan: seeing the rest of the world have to take care of your "wet cleanup on aisle 3" situations that you didn't want to even get into must be pretty withering.
[20:52:51] banyan: It happens here too.
[20:53:24] justinh: I like puppy doggies :D
[20:53:49] laga_: gah, X crashed again on my laptop
[20:54:04] banyan: I think rural voters are looking for a politician they'd let marry their daughter but urban voters are mainly interested in a guy with the right ideas and some competence, and don't care about whether he's pure of heart and virtuous and all those other nice but irrelevant attributes.
[20:54:31] laga_: i doubt that mccain is pure at heart ;)
[20:55:12] banyan: he's already known to have done what Clinton did, he just didn't do it in the oval office — yet — and didn't lie about it — yet.
[20:55:22] justinh: hachi: oh and ivor got his working just fine.. but then it'd be a sad state of affairs if he didn't, the position he holds ;)
[20:56:17] justinh: hachi: first check that xvmc works in mplayer & xine.. that gives you the greenlight that the driver is fine
[20:56:28] banyan: but that's guys. you get around enough and your rabbit's gonna find another hole eventually.
[20:56:56] justinh: then it's just down to making sure xvmc for via stuff is built into mythtv and that you're using the right video playback profile
[20:57:02] ** iamlindoro wants a big bag of Jack in the Box tacos **
[20:57:19] banyan: me gusta tacos y burritos!
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[20:57:31] laga_: me gustan ;)
[20:57:32] Led-Hed: iamlindoro, you think a Dual Core Intel Atom 330 (1.6Ghz) with Intel GMa 950 will handle HD playback (mpeg2)
[20:57:34] laga_: i guess
[20:58:00] Led-Hed: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/boxd945gclf2
[20:58:05] justinh: Led-Hed: buy one & try it. if not you've got something else to hold internal doors ajar with :D
[20:58:24] iamlindoro: Led-Hed, Tough to tell-- you can't currently multithread MPEG-2 in linux so the second core is no real help. 1.6 Ghz is *probably* enough if the Atom is similarly efficient to say, the C2D
[20:58:41] Led-Hed: justinh, lol. For $96 thats almost possible
[20:58:50] iamlindoro: But if it's closer to, say, a P4 in terms of power-per-clock, then probably now
[20:58:52] iamlindoro: er not
[20:59:17] Led-Hed: ok. Good to know.
[20:59:21] iamlindoro: I'd take a wild guess and say yeah, I bet it could be cajoled into probably doing it
[20:59:22] Led-Hed: thanks
[20:59:43] iamlindoro: h.264 is likely a lost cause at decent bitrate/encoding options, though
[20:59:52] clev: iamlindoro: yep a P4 is crap slow, while a c2d can do 264 at 800mhz
[20:59:56] clev: in a single thread
[20:59:58] Led-Hed: well I first have to get HD working. Then I can see if a Mini-ITX system can actually keep up
[21:00:07] iamlindoro: clev, you are smart enough to know that a general statement like that means nothing
[21:00:25] iamlindoro: I can make a 386 do h.264 with the right encoding/bitrate/resolution choices
[21:00:26] clev: iamlindoro: yeah, the problem is how many cycles it needs to do the same work
[21:00:40] clev: im refering to the same 264 that the P4 has trouble with
[21:00:54] clev: identical file that P4 1.6ghz cant do, while a c2d 800mhz can
[21:01:02] iamlindoro: ok
[21:01:07] laga_: !trout clev
[21:01:07] ** MythLogBot slaps clev with a trout on behalf of laga_... **
[21:01:15] laga_: didn't you run for turkey or something?
[21:01:17] laga_: ;)
[21:01:45] clev: laga_: yes, and im done eating now
[21:01:49] Led-Hed: Its just super cheap. The Mobo includes CPU for $96, If I went with another Mini-ITX that allows me to add my own CPU its gonna cost $400+
[21:02:10] iamlindoro: will be interesting to see
[21:02:38] Led-Hed: I'll be setting up the Charter HD on Monday.
[21:03:12] Led-Hed: if the firewire setup goes well, then I may be buying the hardware sometime late next week
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[21:03:46] clev: Led-Hed: what country you in?
[21:03:57] Led-Hed: the good ole US of A
[21:04:00] clev: ahh
[21:04:04] iamlindoro: !trou clev whois
[21:04:09] clev: im in canada, and have rogers
[21:04:10] iamlindoro: !trout clev whois
[21:04:10] ** MythLogBot slaps clev with a whois trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[21:04:23] Led-Hed: lol
[21:04:34] clev: iamlindoro: whois only gives me an ip, no .ca or .com
[21:04:43] iamlindoro: command line whois, dill hole
[21:04:49] clev: lol
[21:05:02] clev: No match found for led-hed.
[21:05:12] Led-Hed: it was probably easier to just ask.  :)
[21:05:21] iamlindoro: whois 75.62.250.63
[21:05:31] clev: i know:P
[21:05:41] Led-Hed: Central California
[21:06:32] clev: ive been wanting to get a firewire hd box from rogers but dad says we dont have any hd tv's so it would be useless
[21:07:28] bsdfox__: if it's firewire you can capture it on your pc
[21:07:36] clev: yep
[21:07:38] iamlindoro: in theory
[21:07:46] iamlindoro: in practice, not so much usually
[21:07:54] Led-Hed: too bad decoding wasnt multithreaded, The Atom 330 had 2 cores and HT enables, so 4 virtual cores.
[21:07:54] clev: but it brings about a 2nd problem, ive only got 1 system that can handle HD content
[21:08:01] clev: and even then, its bearly able to handle it
[21:08:28] laga_: beerly?
[21:08:57] clev: that bbc hd clip with kill bill(i think) uses 100% of a core and lags a tad
[21:09:04] Led-Hed: hows that work add beer and it looks better?
[21:11:54] RDV_Linux: clev: I am also in Canada and have Rogers. Be careful which stb you get as Rogers disabled the firewire ports on at least the sa8000HD. There are forums specifically on Rogers which talk about their stbs. Check there to see if there are any firewire enabled stbs from Rogers.
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[21:12:30] clev: RDV_Linux: got a link?
[21:13:59] ** Led-Hed scratches his head **
[21:14:04] justinh: arghhh ffs my backend fell over recording Stephen Fry's new series
[21:14:42] Led-Hed: so if Decoding cant use more than 1 core, why such high specs for HD playback (C2D) Wouldnt a fast Single work better?
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[21:15:11] RDV_Linux: I am trying to get you a link, but here is a quote "Rogers and Videotron have some SA STBs with firewire enabled, however the recording process has been hit & miss (often miss). See the firewire threads in Rogers and Videotron"
[21:15:14] iamlindoro: decoding MPEg-2 can't... h264 can.
[21:15:34] justinh: looks like it fell over generating a preview
[21:15:45] clev: Led-Hed: a core2duo can do things in less cpu cycles then another cpu, even when only using 1 thread
[21:15:50] justinh: can that be disabled altogether? I don't even need that stuff
[21:15:54] iamlindoro: And clock for clock the C2D is more efficient than most single core processors... high spec C2D core would be higher still on a single core P4
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[21:16:12] clev: yep
[21:16:19] RDV_Linux: clev: He is a link to a Rogers/firewire discussion: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=56259
[21:16:24] clev: thanks
[21:16:48] justinh: meh but strictly come celebrity factor apprentice dancing recorded just fine. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[21:16:53] Led-Hed: iamlindoro, so if I use firewire the video is in Mpeg2, what capture method captures in h264
[21:17:11] iamlindoro: Hd-PVR, DVB-S, DVB-S2, etc.
[21:17:16] justinh: so, can this recording preview thumbnail stuff be turned off? I know the viewing can...
[21:17:17] Led-Hed: ahh
[21:17:21] clev: Led-Hed: some digital channels are allready in 264 i beleive
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[21:18:06] Led-Hed: ok so mpeg2 requires less CPU but cant handle Multi-core. H264 requires faster cpu but takes advantage of multi-core
[21:18:25] iamlindoro: Very VERY generally speaking, yes... there is much more to it that that, though
[21:18:29] justinh: sorry, I asked a question. my bad. I know that's something I never usually do
[21:19:18] iamlindoro: It's not that it *can't* be multithreaded, it's that MPEG-2 decode in linux isn't currently capable of it. And it's fairly easy to make h.264 un-multithreadable if you use the wrong recording options
[21:20:00] laga_: justinh: i think you can turn it off
[21:20:05] Led-Hed: iamlindoro, ok. Just trying to get a general idea before I dive into HD
[21:20:11] laga_: justinh: not the generation, rather that it's showing it
[21:20:22] laga_: bed time for me, g'night
[21:20:27] Led-Hed: later laga
[21:20:56] justinh: if it fell over generating the thumbnail I can't think of any good that'd come of disabling the _showing_ of those pointless images
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[21:22:13] justinh: but on the other hand, it sounds like a bug that was fixed a long, long time ago
[21:22:47] justinh: think I'll update all the boxes to the latest -fixes tomorrow
[21:23:19] justinh: the one time the backend falls over in 6 months it misses recording two of MY shows :P
[21:23:45] justinh: why couldn't it fail to record soaps instead? ;)
[21:24:35] justinh: ahhh, I realise that said shows are on BBC, so will be on BBC iPlayer, on my cable box
[21:24:47] justinh: no harm done after all
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[21:25:09] iamlindoro: justinh, perhaps just comment out mythbackend/main.cpp "PreviewGenerator *previewgen = new PreviewGenerator(pginfo, true);" and the ten or so lines following?
[21:25:13] justinh: thanks laga_ for bothering to answer anyway. more than any other bugger bothered to round here
[21:25:28] justinh: nice to know what happens when the tables are turned
[21:25:41] iamlindoro: although it may be enough to comment out "previewgen->RunReal();"
[21:25:47] justinh: iamlindoro: aye maybe
[21:25:55] justinh: better to stop the cause of it though
[21:25:58] clev: iamlindoro: skiping the entire fork&exec would be better
[21:26:12] clev: yeah fixing the actual problem would be even better
[21:26:24] justinh: I don't even know why there's any reason to have video previews
[21:26:26] iamlindoro: clev, I'm not proposing it as a clean solution, just as a working one
[21:26:35] justinh: they're a waste of space anyway IMHO
[21:26:47] justinh: up til now I've only ever themed them because I had to
[21:27:00] jams: i hate the way mythweb spams the recording dir with them
[21:27:10] justinh: and we can all guess how popular a theme would be without them. Ha
[21:27:25] clev: jams: the flood of thumbnail images it makes usualy brings my systems down
[21:27:27] iamlindoro: as long as it has reflections and rotates on a cube, that's all that matters
[21:27:28] justinh: like woo a moving video preview of the show I'm about to watch
[21:27:52] iamlindoro: video preview is gone in trun ksince QT4 anyway, isn't it?
[21:27:54] justinh: doh. they ARE optional
[21:28:10] justinh: now I remember the altarea tags in ui.xml
[21:28:23] justinh: reckon I might just comment out the generator code too then
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[21:40:25] keith4__: I have a digital tuner, and when I do a channel scan, the channels are (understandably) all "UNKNOWN..." 14#0, 14#1, etc. If I go into the database (or mythweb) and change the XMLTV IDs to the correct channels, then my guide data is correct....
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[21:41:36] keith4__: my question is, if I then run "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels", so that it fetches the station callsign, name, etc., does this create any problems?
[21:44:32] keith4__: it's not going to change freqid, or anything? i'm not going to end up using analog channels, or something crazy, right?
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[21:57:28] oobe: iamlindoro, i noticed ragetv 0.7 came out i tried using it with your script but it wont work i guess its changed dramitcally but it does get info about a lot of eps that were missing info
[21:59:22] iamlindoro: oobe, My script has long since been updated with rageTV 0.7
[21:59:37] iamlindoro: and the link was posted to the -users list long ago
[21:59:51] iamlindoro: in fact, it's the first response to Steve's release of the 0.7 version IIRC
[21:59:59] oobe: oh where do i get it
[22:00:06] iamlindoro: Search the users list and follow the link
[22:00:56] iamlindoro: sometime last month IIRC
[22:01:13] iamlindoro: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /232850.html
[22:02:03] iamlindoro: Anyway, it'll all be moot hopefully as of .22 if Greyfoxx's new video metadata stuff makes it in
[22:02:23] iamlindoro: Well, it may stil be good, but there will be more options anyway
[22:03:35] roz: I just got a Pinnacle 800i and I got Analog v4l to work, but cannot get DVB to work. Its not making /dev/dvb/
[22:04:03] iamlindoro: roz, #linuxtv would be the right channel to seek help in for that
[22:04:32] banyan: does transcoding get much faster with multiple cpus? or does the presence of other cpus just let you work better while the transcode takes place?
[22:04:39] iamlindoro: That presuming you have already followed http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . _Card_(800i)
[22:05:09] iamlindoro: banyan, Depends entirely on what you use to transcode, and which codec. It can be both, or either depending on transcoding choices
[22:05:10] sphery: banyan: the 2nd, unless, of course, you enable more concurrent jobs to run because of having multiple cpus
[22:05:41] sphery: ^^^ meaning for mythtranscode
[22:05:53] banyan: so they haven't compiled multiple threading into the transcode software then...
[22:06:11] iamlindoro: it's not a matter of compiling in multithreading
[22:06:18] iamlindoro: not all codec can encode multithreaded.
[22:06:27] banyan: ah.
[22:06:28] iamlindoro: and none of those used by mythtranscode can.
[22:06:55] clev: add more options to mythtranscode?
[22:07:00] clev: teach it 264?
[22:07:10] iamlindoro: clev, as always, patches accepted
[22:07:30] iamlindoro: mythtranscode seems to be largely confusing even to core myth devs, I thin kit's been left all alone for a very long time
[22:07:35] clev: if mythtranscode is using ffmpeg then it should be simple to use any codec
[22:07:54] iamlindoro: *some* parts use libav*, but that's not the only component
[22:08:14] banyan: you'd think that if there was a master process that fed a different frame / stream to each processor and then assembled the results into the output file, they could multithread most things. But my frame of reference is mpg.
[22:08:30] oobe: cool it works without confirmation
[22:08:46] oobe: like no need to type y over and over again for a big folder
[22:09:01] clev: banyan: the frames may reference the prev frame, which means core2 cant decode till core1 is done
[22:09:04] iamlindoro: oobe, yep
[22:09:12] clev: so simply spliting the frames up wont work
[22:09:22] fryfrog: in top, the line like "Cpu(s): 0.4%us, 0.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 99.2%si, 0.0%st" what is "si"?
[22:09:32] clev: fryfrog: software interupts
[22:09:32] iamlindoro: although you could theoretically batch out GOPs
[22:09:35] fryfrog: i know the first few (user, system, nice,
[22:09:36] banyan: what would the reference be between frames? colours or something like that?
[22:09:39] fryfrog: clev: ohhhh.
[22:09:42] fryfrog: clev: thanks
[22:09:44] iamlindoro: as each I Frame is a complete stand alone picture
[22:09:45] clev: fryfrog: i beleive its something like kernel timers
[22:09:51] clev: and sometimes nfsd
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[22:10:08] clev: hi would be hardware interupts
[22:10:20] banyan: I was thinking there are keyframes that kind of reboot an mpeg stream. I wouldn't have thought much information would be required past a keyframe.
[22:10:35] iamlindoro: banyan, You are thinking from a windows-style perspective
[22:10:50] banyan: of course not all codecs work like that.
[22:11:08] iamlindoro: most linux programs leverage libavcodec/format/util as their encoding/decoind backend, and are thus limited by the functionality of those libraries
[22:11:28] clev: banyan: you could have each core decode a totaly different chunk(30 seconds appart) starting at there own key frames
[22:11:39] banyan: I am? I'm just thinking the keyframe is the reference for the next half second of video..
[22:11:44] clev: banyan: but the problem there, 30 seconds of 1080p woudl take up many many gig
[22:11:51] iamlindoro: There was some new multithreading stuff written as a part of the GSoC this summer that wil improve multithread for all codecs, both encode and decode, but I am starting to worry that it may never make it into ffmpeg proper
[22:12:23] iamlindoro: banyan, keyframes aren't fixed, they aren't necessarily for a second, half second, etc. of video
[22:12:34] iamlindoro: you could make every frame a keyframe if you so chose
[22:12:37] banyan: 30 seconds between key frames? I thought there was one every half second.
[22:13:10] banyan: so that's not a fixed thing. It just seems that the video captured by my pvr cards do have a keyframe every half second.
[22:13:36] iamlindoro: again, if you feel like reimplementing ffmpeg/libav* from scratch and porting myth to it, have a ball
[22:13:37] banyan: maybe that's why everybody complains that the files I give them are so damn big.
[22:13:46] clev: banyan: i thought those would be mainly at scene changes
[22:13:54] iamlindoro: a keyframe every half to full second is pretty mornal
[22:13:56] iamlindoro: er normal
[22:14:01] clev: the key(or index) frames are the realy large ones that dont reference anything
[22:14:14] clev: maybe im thinking of index frames
[22:14:28] banyan: Meh, I'm just trying to understand it all.  :-)
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[22:14:48] iamlindoro: myth and almost all linux video players/encoders/decoders use ffmpeg.
[22:15:01] iamlindoro: So for new/different multithreading to come to those apps, it must first come to ffmpeg
[22:15:12] iamlindoro: which, as I explained, it has. It just hasn't made ffmpeg trunk yet.
[22:15:15] iamlindoro: And it may never.
[22:15:31] clev: enless you want a private ffmpeg patch within mythtv
[22:15:36] iamlindoro: because the guy who wrote it hasn't done/written a thing since GSoC ended, and has made no effort to get it into ffmpeg trunk, which will be a long, long process.
[22:16:08] banyan: It would be nice to speed up mytharchive on my 2 core 64 bit machine but it's not a giant deal.
[22:16:18] clev: iamlindoro: even if it doesnt get into ffmpeg trunk, you can still apply it to the private copy of ffmpeg in mythtv
[22:16:30] iamlindoro: clev, It is too broken to have that idea make sense
[22:16:38] clev: ahh
[22:16:41] clev: fix it first then:P
[22:16:57] iamlindoro: There is *much* work left to do on it before it becomes usable, and probably the only person who could do that part is the guy who wrote it.
[22:17:05] banyan: I would sometime like to help out coding something. I've been using this stuff for so long and haven't really contributed other than helping the odd person with a mundane problem.
[22:17:27] clev: ive got no idea on the deep internals of video codecs so i would get lost
[22:17:47] banyan: you'd think whoever wrote up the codec would have a really structured definition of what needed to happen that a person could go from.
[22:18:25] banyan: are a lot of the codecs explicitly defined or do they need to be reverse engineered?
[22:18:47] iamlindoro: Most are (for open source pruposes) reverse engineered
[22:18:55] clev: i tried to force vlc to play a stream from a windows program last week
[22:19:12] clev: now that i looked at the site closer i see that it doesnt use mpeg or 264, they made there own codec
[22:19:21] iamlindoro: As many/most locales allow reverse engineering of formats for compatibility purposes, but not many allow implementing a standard from stoled documentation
[22:19:37] iamlindoro: er stolen
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[22:19:57] clev: bbl
[22:20:49] banyan: that's dirty pool to me. Somebody trying to insinuate themselves into a position of ownership over content by claiming ownership of the format. Kind of like Microsoft saying they own the contents of your hard drive because it's formatted NTFS.
[22:21:39] banyan: not that they do claim that, but it's a great argument to have the standard open.
[22:22:00] iamlindoro: the patent holders on codecs *don't* claim to own the content
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[22:22:26] iamlindoro: anyway, TV time
[22:23:12] banyan: they could pout over licensing and royalties tho.,
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[22:30:53] mr_white: hi all
[22:31:54] mr_white: I've just installed Myth-TV with a new Hauppauge PVR 150 and I ran into some trouble:
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[22:32:35] mr_white: It freezes the computer as soon as I select "Watch TV".
[22:33:01] fryfrog: you mean your computer literally goes to 0C?
[22:33:10] mr_white: black screen
[22:33:19] mr_white: no reaction on the keyboard
[22:33:25] mr_white: not even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill X
[22:33:36] mr_white: or Ctrl-Alt-1 to go to the 1st text console work
[22:33:36] fryfrog: ssh?
[22:33:50] mr_white: didn't have another machine with me :-(
[22:33:55] clev: ssh ping arping sysrq
[22:34:08] iamlindoro: if the machine is really frozen, it's almost always video card/driver issues
[22:34:16] mr_white: well I thought it's probably the old Kubuntu and thus old MythTV my parents use.
[22:34:33] mr_white: thus I thought I'll give it a try at with my machine.
[22:34:49] mr_white: I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 and it doesn]
[22:34:51] mr_white: 't freey
[22:34:53] mr_white: freeze
[22:34:57] mr_white: hurray!
[22:35:01] mr_white: but:
[22:35:17] mr_white: 1) up+down key does not work to change channels.
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[22:35:52] iamlindoro: The machine it is freezing on is probably video card/driver issues. As for #1, that's just a setting in TV settings
[22:36:08] mr_white: 2) all channels are in extremely bad quality (I used the auto-scan, and I figured out that I can change channels by typing numbers)
[22:36:26] mr_white: OK. So where can I set it to understand UP and DOWN?
[22:36:32] iamlindoro: In TV Settings
[22:37:20] mr_white: OK. I go to Utilties => ... => TV Settings
[22:37:25] mr_white: and then? General?
[22:37:37] iamlindoro: Why not try taking a look instead of asking for each step?
[22:37:54] mr_white: because I was there already and didn't find anything.
[22:37:59] mr_white: and btw. searching for what?
[22:38:18] mr_white: searching for "enable the functionality that should work by itself"? ;-))
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[22:42:35] mr_white: well, the only option concerning channel selection is "Change channels immediately without select". Even though I don't think it should have anything to do with up/down buttons, I enabled it and went to "Watch TV" => NO CHANGE. The up/down keys still don't do anything except showing a kind of OSD with "Adding char" and "unkown"
[22:43:01] mr_white: I assume that "Adding char" is the name of the channel ("Adding channel XYZ") as added by the scan
[22:43:37] iamlindoro: wrong setting
[22:46:40] mr_white: OK. I found it. But the name of the option is really not implying that it has sth. to do with navigation by UP/DOWN.
[22:47:11] mr_white: but maybe I just don't understand "browse mode" correctly.
[22:47:32] mr_white: iamlindoro: THANKS A LOT!
[22:48:10] mr_white: another question: I used TVTime, KDETV and other progs before and am used to be able to fine-tune the image while watching.
[22:48:44] mr_white: I guess, fine-tuning isn't possible while watching in mythtv due to its client/server architecture.
[22:49:09] mr_white: or is there a possibilty to change the frequency of a channel without quitting, starting the mythtv-setup
[22:49:18] mr_white: then mythfilldatabase
[22:49:22] mr_white: and trying it out
[22:49:54] mr_white: I mean doing this cycle for a few dozen channels is definitely not a solution
[22:50:05] keith4__: sure it is
[22:50:28] mr_white: anyway I wonder why the channel scanner is so bad (I have just zapped a bit and NO channel is shown correctly).
[22:51:23] keith4__: works fine for me
[22:51:44] mr_white: in Germany? did you download some channel configuration or did you scan?
[22:52:31] mr_white: actually what is really weird is that it is even worse than after a first try: I set the frequency table first to europe-west and had bad but nearly acceptable scan results
[22:52:58] mr_white: so I thought, I'll try it with europe-east since Germany is pretty much exactly in the middle ;-)
[22:53:27] mr_white: and the re-scan (after deleting all channels) produced a non-viewable result
[22:53:53] mr_white: so I switched back to europe-west and rescanned, but it got even worse :-(
[22:54:33] mr_white: well, I'll try a re-scan again...
[22:55:13] mr_white: ...but next week. I have no time for TV anyway. Wish you a nice evening! And thanks a lot for the help!
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[22:55:44] keith4__: wow
[23:02:38] hachi: justinh: yeah, xvmc is working in xine
[23:03:17] hachi: I can play mpeg2 at 60% cpu usage on a 600MHz thing
[23:03:22] hachi: quite efficient it seems
[23:03:41] hachi: but I can't get xvmc to be used in mythtv... it says it can't create a surface
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[23:32:19] keith4__: even when running the frontend in a window, i'm losing the edge of playback. it's almost like it's zoomed in... but it's not. thoughts?
[23:36:06] roz: keith4: ATI?
[23:36:15] roz: keith4: ATI video card?
[23:36:48] roz: I had that same issue with ATI Drivers using TV Out at one point. Gave up and switched to nvidia
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[23:47:43] keith4__: roz: yah, ATI... on a laptop
[23:47:47] keith4__: can't switch it
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[23:56:16] clev: keith4__: ive removed the vid card from my laptop before, it just doesnt have a power button without the video board:P
[23:56:27] clev: and you cant exactly find a matching card to replace it
[23:57:42] fryfrog: some are on those neat mini-agp slots
[23:57:46] fryfrog: some are totally built in :(
[23:57:53] fryfrog: and i'm sure some are even totally propriatary
[23:58:01] clev: on some laptops, its part of the motherboard
[23:58:06] fryfrog: but it certainly isn't *easy* to swap em, even if they can
[23:58:13] clev: on others, its a removable board with a custom plug
[23:58:25] fryfrog: or if you are lucky, mini-agp
[23:58:27] clev: in 1 case, the board with the power button was then stacked ontop of the video
[23:58:30] fryfrog: or mini-pci-e maybe now?
[23:59:11] clev: my d6300 laptop has 3 or 4 mini-pcie slots internal
[23:59:21] clev: alot more expansion slots them i usualy see(1)
[23:59:49] fryfrog: wow
[23:59:51] fryfrog: 3 or 4??
[23:59:55] iamlindoro: and 3 or 4 more than the average user will ever use
[23:59:55] fryfrog: can you even use them?

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