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| [00:01:11] | jams: | wolfspirit- can you expand on that one? do you mean change channels on a cable box? |
| [00:01:41] | wolfspirit: | jams: actually it just answered my question.. it changed the channel to the station that I set to record |
| [00:01:48] | jams: | ok |
| [00:02:21] | jams: | well that would be silly for it to not change the channel when it's time to record |
| [00:03:07] | wolfspirit: | why? if you have multiple tuners you may want to watch something while another is recording |
| [00:03:38] | jams: | yes and you can do that |
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| [00:06:18] | Coroh: | can any one help me to make a shop list to my first mythtv box??? |
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| [00:09:46] | jams: | Coroh- are you looking for specific or just general info |
| [00:10:06] | orkid_: | stop cross posting |
| [00:10:07] | orkid_: | wtf |
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| [00:10:43] | vbatts: | who has a fix for "TV Error: Failed to get recording show list" |
| [00:17:12] | Coroh: | jams: specific |
| [00:17:42] | iamlindoro: | Then you will need to be equally specific in return |
| [00:17:43] | Coroh: | to make one box.... low cost.. and complete |
| [00:17:52] | iamlindoro: | regarding what you intend to do, what you hope to capture, where you live, etc. |
| [00:18:06] | iamlindoro: | no such thing as being too detailed |
| [00:18:07] | iamlindoro: | go |
| [00:18:46] | wolfspirit: | anyone have digital aritifacts and glitches in their recordings if you paused during a recording and fast forwarded about 3 minutes or so? |
| [00:19:24] | Coroh: | wait... |
| [00:19:39] | Coroh: | i will clese some channels |
| [00:19:45] | Coroh: | cose* |
| [00:21:24] | Coroh: | the capture card.. is the first problem... where were i live ... digital TV is too new... no capture card yet |
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| [00:21:56] | iamlindoro: | Then get a PVR-150 or a PVR-500 if available in your area. |
| [00:22:01] | Coroh: | but we can start plan to by other thynks like Motherbord... CPU.. memory |
| [00:22:05] | iamlindoro: | from Hauppauge |
| [00:22:31] | Coroh: | i will use a bt 878 for a wille |
| [00:22:32] | iamlindoro: | For CPU, if you intend to do Hi Definition eventually, buy a mid to high range Intel Core 2 Duo |
| [00:22:33] | Coroh: | ok? |
| [00:22:47] | iamlindoro: | bt878 sucks, but if you don't want to spend, that's up to you |
| [00:22:52] | Coroh: | hummm... |
| [00:24:03] | Coroh: | where i live.... we are using a japanese Digital tv system whith |
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| [00:24:22] | Coroh: | where i live.... we are using a japanese Digital tv system with some upgrades like Mpeg 4 |
| [00:24:48] | iamlindoro: | Yes, ISDB-T |
| [00:24:58] | iamlindoro: | And you are right, no linux cards yet |
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| [00:26:18] | Coroh: | Video card with HDMI out |
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| [00:26:43] | iamlindoro: | any nVidia with HDMI out will work fine in linux |
| [00:27:44] | Coroh: | im to |
| [00:28:07] | Coroh: | a full remote control would be fine |
| [00:28:15] | fryfrog: | so an internal hdmi nvidia card, does it pass audio? |
| [00:28:27] | Coroh: | fryfrog : yes |
| [00:28:28] | fryfrog: | or does it have like a... internal coax connector or something to pass it along ? |
| [00:28:57] | fryfrog: | what about a non-integrated hdmi card? |
| [00:28:59] | Coroh: | fryfrog : i dont no... but MSI have one with this feature |
| [00:29:07] | fryfrog: | also, above i meant "integrated" not "internal" |
| [00:29:10] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, some pass it straight through, some have a jumper |
| [00:29:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [00:29:17] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [00:29:43] | Coroh: | fryfrog : jut the new.. no legacy devices |
| [00:29:46] | fryfrog: | when i have to build a beefy system to use an hd-pvr, i'll have to make sure i get one that does that. |
| [00:31:00] | Coroh: | im thinking about integrate a WI-FI AP in this box to |
| [00:32:35] | Coroh: | my idea is make a Static and full All-in-ONE system |
| [00:32:50] | fryfrog: | you mean a wifi *card*? |
| [00:32:56] | fryfrog: | also, what do you mean by "static"? |
| [00:33:51] | Coroh: | fryfrog: yes,... wifi card... but it must have work in AP mode |
| [00:35:27] | Coroh: | fryfrog: static... let me explain better. |
| [00:35:37] | justinh: | it won't dance |
| [00:35:51] | Coroh: | kkk |
| [00:36:59] | Coroh: | my bad engglish |
| [00:37:08] | Coroh: | iss killing me |
| [00:38:01] | Coroh: | no keybord.. no mouse, |
| [00:38:26] | Coroh: | no Display.. |
| [00:38:36] | Coroh: | just the TV and the remote control |
| [00:38:37] | justinh: | ah. You will need a remote control :) |
| [00:38:51] | justinh: | and you should count the TV as a display ;) |
| [00:39:03] | Coroh: | yah |
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| [00:40:49] | justinh: | to play h.264 HDTV you will need a fast CPU. Think more power than a core2 duo at 2Ghz |
| [00:41:32] | Coroh: | every thing what a want will be in this box .. all my videos, photos, musics |
| [00:42:06] | justinh: | h.264 HDTV is very difficult to play in linux. There is no hardware acceleration for h.264 playback in linux yet |
| [00:42:13] | Coroh: | justinh: realy? well tanks |
| [00:42:49] | Coroh: | yeh... i was thinking use sftware to decode |
| [00:44:47] | Coroh: | calculating ....wow... 2500,00 US dollars |
| [00:46:39] | justinh: | I thought computer stuff was cheaper in Japan |
| [00:47:11] | Coroh: | japan is far |
| [00:47:21] | Coroh: | im im brazil |
| [00:47:26] | Coroh: | im in brasil |
| [00:48:27] | justinh: | oops |
| [00:48:56] | Coroh: | i will be back in 30 minutes. |
| [00:49:03] | fryfrog: | you can get away with pretty low cpu for 720p h264 content usually |
| [00:49:27] | fryfrog: | my 4200+ handles that, but *chokes* on 1080p and i'm sure it'd choke on a ripped hd-dvd or blu-ray |
| [00:49:42] | justinh: | not broadcast HDTV though fryfrog. AVC encoding is tough |
| [00:49:55] | fryfrog: | wow, who broadcasts in h264? |
| [00:50:01] | fryfrog: | in the US, all we gots are mpeg2 hd |
| [00:50:13] | justinh: | everywhere apart from the US & Canada |
| [00:50:19] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [00:50:26] | fryfrog: | its *good* to be in the US :p |
| [00:50:33] | fryfrog: | we have such an awesome and smart president |
| [00:50:37] | fryfrog: | also, everyone loves us |
| [00:50:46] | fryfrog: | and our economy! could it *be* any stronger? |
| [00:50:58] | justinh: | nearly. your HD is < 18mbit mpeg2. BBCHD is about 18mbit h.264 AVC |
| [00:51:06] | justinh: | heh |
| [00:51:49] | justinh: | apparently one or more of your satellite/cable suppliers over there are changing to h.264 too |
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| [00:53:04] | HaSH: | i have compiled coreavc into mplayer b4 and it seemed to help playback x264 much better |
| [00:53:06] | justinh: | I think we've all taken video playback so much for granted on PCs for the last few years. It took h.264 broadcast HD coming along to shake that up a bit |
| [00:53:15] | HaSH: | not sure if anyone here has tried it before. |
| [00:53:45] | HaSH: | i even think there are patches for mythtv with coreavc too |
| [00:53:52] | justinh: | HaSH: with ffmpeg h,264 playback improving all the time coreavc won't be needed before long |
| [00:54:40] | HaSH: | ah well last time i tried playing high bitrate x264 on my core2duo it had trouble playing....with the compiled in coreavc it played much smoother |
| [00:56:56] | iamlindoro: | wheeee, x264 == still not a codec name |
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| [01:06:38] | Coroh: | im back |
| [01:14:23] | whodat: | I got the nokia transcoder script on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia_N810_Transcoding.. tried it out on a mythtv recording and its been running for over a day.. dont think it should take near that long? its hardly using any cpu either. |
| [01:15:11] | whodat: | from ps : mencoder -o Modern Marvels – Deep Freeze.avi -idx -ca |
| [01:15:11] | whodat: | che 1024 -srate 32000 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3:br=96 -af volnorm -ofps 25 -o |
| [01:15:11] | whodat: | vc lavc -vf-add scale=512:304 -vf-add unsharp=c4x4:0.3:l5x5:0.5 -ffourcc FMP4 -f |
| [01:15:11] | whodat: | orce-avi-aspect 1.68 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:autoaspect:idct=7:ildct |
| [01:15:11] | whodat: | :ilme:trell:cbp:mpeg_quant:vrc_buf_size=800:vrc_maxrate=600 /myth/tv/4059_200810 |
| [01:15:22] | justinh: | pastebin! |
| [01:16:01] | whodat: | well i didnt expect it to paste that badly, should have only taken one message. |
| [01:19:35] | Coroh: | Blue-ray will use h.264... |
| [01:20:09] | Coroh: | the set-up boxes will be less expensive |
| [01:20:44] | Coroh: | i beliave ... pci cards will to |
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| [01:22:33] | Coroh: | i will search hardware prices to make my Digital Media Box based in Mythtv shipper as possible |
| [01:23:17] | Coroh: | i will be back to get some opinions about the best choice fot the remote control |
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| [01:25:01] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be finding it amazingly difficult to find a computer in my house with functional serial ports |
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| [02:15:39] | LiNERROR: | wagnerrp: usb serial adapters ftw :P |
| [02:18:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: What do you need serial for, an ir blaster or ?? |
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| [02:35:17] | wagnerrp: | embedded computer, no vga port so i need to use serial to access the BIOS |
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| [02:51:26] | perilousapricot: | what sort of advantage is there space-wise on encoding mpeg4 vs. encoding mpeg2? |
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| [02:51:42] | wagnerrp: | usually about 4–6x |
| [02:51:50] | perilousapricot: | wow, really? |
| [02:52:26] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 is a 20yr old codec |
| [02:53:38] | wagnerrp: | of course mpeg4 is still about a decade old |
| [02:53:52] | iamlindoro: | you have your factors wrong, though, it's not 4–6x |
| [02:54:16] | wagnerrp: | AVC was designed to consume half the size of mpeg2, with no quality loss |
| [02:54:23] | iamlindoro: | h.264 at 60% of the bandwidth is supposed ot be the same |
| [02:54:29] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yes, and that's not 4–6x |
| [02:54:46] | iamlindoro: | That would mean that a 1 GB h.264 file was the same as a 4–6 GB MPEG-2 |
| [02:55:04] | wagnerrp: | yes, and there is no noticeable difference in those to me |
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| [02:55:24] | iamlindoro: | Might not be to you, but there is most assuredly a difference |
| [02:55:36] | iamlindoro: | and you're changing now that I pointed out the error :) |
| [02:55:38] | wagnerrp: | for absolute quality, its half the size |
| [02:55:45] | iamlindoro: | agreed |
| [02:55:50] | iamlindoro: | not 17–25% |
| [02:56:06] | wagnerrp: | for sufficient quality for most users, its 17–25% |
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| [03:00:24] | wagnerrp: | tftpd does not seem to be logging... |
| [03:03:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, just logging to somewhere different than what i thought |
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| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | i love how threads in users alternate between top and bottom posting |
| [03:07:04] | iamlindoro: | And the occasional fight about "Hey, I'll post any way I want" |
| [03:07:55] | wagnerrp: | personally, i prefer top posting. but it should be good etiquette to just follow whatever the thread is currently doing |
| [03:08:29] | wagnerrp: | i try to read one, and have absolutely no clue of what is in response to what |
| [03:12:41] | fryfrog: | ha, yeah i guess better than top posting or bottom posting is... consistancey :) |
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| [03:31:39] | DarkDrgn2k: | Ok i give up, how do i get a mceusb2 working in debian? |
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| [03:53:53] | wagnerrp: | well its installing... hopefully 512MB should be enough for the system |
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| [03:54:39] | wagnerrp: | i probably could have handled a larger card |
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| [03:56:27] | wagnerrp: | what are these mythtv_dd_cache files i have in /tmp? |
| [03:57:39] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: from schedule download |
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| [03:58:48] | wagnerrp: | so theyre safe to trash? |
| [03:58:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | some idiot just un-plugged his backend by accident... (that would be ME...) oops... guess I should have put my glasses on to be able to read the label on the power cord, eh????? |
| [04:00:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A likes storage groups lots already... that probably would have screwed my software raid5 before... ** | |
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| [04:03:56] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: Yes, though unless you abort mythfilldatabase it should be cleaning up |
| [04:04:37] | wagnerrp: | ive got ones dated july6 and aug22 |
| [04:04:55] | wagnerrp: | i think i was manually messing with tuners then, which would mean manually running mythfilldatabase |
| [04:06:05] | kristok: | anyone ever have their backend just decide to record a program? |
| [04:06:20] | kristok: | and also just decide to turn off a particular recording schedule? |
| [04:06:34] | hads: | Sounds abnormal |
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| [04:07:10] | kristok: | i'm still running 0.20, but it happens pretty often |
| [04:08:41] | kristok: | when it happens i run a check on the database but it doesn't find any errors |
| [04:08:46] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythweb? are you running mythweb password protected? |
| [04:09:00] | kristok: | yes and yes |
| [04:09:25] | wagnerrp: | ok. otherwise, google will find you, and make you known to the outside world |
| [04:09:48] | kristok: | yeah, for a short while i thought one of my friends was playing a very clever trick on me |
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| [04:14:40] | wagnerrp: | whoops, seems 512MB is insufficient storage to both download and decompress the distrobution files |
| [04:14:57] | wagnerrp: | i have to download a full cd and install over nfs... |
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| [04:24:05] | sphery: | Hmmm. Interesting development on the -users list... Seems if you don't read a web page, you won't find all the information on that page. ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/352946#352946 ) |
| [04:30:04] | fryfrog: | i hate links that say "here" |
| [04:30:09] | fryfrog: | they are retarded |
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| [04:31:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery, This will not deter people from making wild statements that the information is unavailable, however |
| [04:33:08] | iamlindoro: | In other news, some recent commit has caused some broken OSD behavior, just haven't figured out which yet |
| [04:33:20] | sphery: | broken how? |
| [04:33:39] | ** sphery is currently enjoying watching TV on his -fixes production systems ** | |
| [04:34:37] | iamlindoro: | need to check the exact behavior, but minimally, start playing an in-progress recording. Edit it. The edit amount will always reflect the amount there was at the start, and not a moment further. Attempting to scroll forward dumps you back the the menu |
| [04:34:48] | iamlindoro: | This is with 18596 or so |
| [04:35:07] | sphery: | hmmmm.... Don't know off hand what would have caused that. |
| [04:35:22] | iamlindoro: | This is changed from the old behavior where the editable amount updated with time, and if you attempted to edit past the endpoint, it would update with the "new" available amount |
| [04:35:51] | sphery: | I didn't even know you could edit an in-progress recording |
| [04:36:11] | iamlindoro: | It *may* be more severe than that and be *unplayable* past the amount available at the start, but I can't check that until next recording |
| [04:37:09] | iamlindoro: | example was the office tonight, which I started at about 10 past-- I watched to the first commercial break and went to edit it out, and found I only had ten minutes available. |
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| [04:37:33] | iamlindoro: | playing in-progress has been semi-broken for a few weeks at least |
| [04:38:07] | iamlindoro: | Lots of random failing out to the menu-- but I so infrequently watch in-progress that I haven't had time to track it down |
| [04:40:12] | sphery: | weird... Was just watching a show. Paused it. After about 30 seconds it just went back to the watch recordings screen without saving a bookmark... |
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| [04:47:50] | jmichelsen: | I am trying to set up a remote for my mythtv/comp using an ATI wonder remote 5000015900A , its like the oldest remote there is but I am having trouble, has anyone used this same remote? all settings look ok but irw receives no signal |
| [04:48:30] | sphery: | jmichelsen: using one right now |
| [04:48:38] | sphery: | (need to recharge the batteries, though) |
| [04:48:51] | jmichelsen: | sphery: what distro are you on? |
| [04:49:01] | jmichelsen: | sphery: glad to hear itworks though lol |
| [04:49:02] | sphery: | none, really |
| [04:49:04] | sphery: | long story |
| [04:49:26] | jmichelsen: | sphery: haha well, are you using the reciever that came with it? 5000015900b |
| [04:49:53] | sphery: | generally, though, if irw doesn't pick up button presses, it's either a problem with the lircd.conf or with the lirc daemon/drivers |
| [04:50:00] | sphery: | which driver are you trying to use? |
| [04:50:11] | jmichelsen: | sphery: and do you have any pointers for me? I once got it to display input with a mode2 command, its been a long time trying to get this working, maybe 2 weeks |
| [04:50:21] | jmichelsen: | lirc_atiusb |
| [04:50:57] | sphery: | I'm using atilibusb |
| [04:51:11] | jmichelsen: | sphery: and i think my lirc deamon is not starting properly, when i do /etc/init.d/lirc start, it says failed, though stop and restart say ok |
| [04:51:26] | jmichelsen: | sphery: i see no lirc in top either |
| [04:51:40] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like it's the lirc daemon, then |
| [04:52:04] | sphery: | I know it fails to start until you find just the right magic |
| [04:52:11] | jmichelsen: | could it be because of the lircd.conf? |
| [04:52:15] | jmichelsen: | lol yea |
| [04:52:18] | sphery: | and, unfortunately, to me, finding it was in fact magic |
| [04:52:49] | sphery: | (meaning I didn't really understand how it all worked--I just got it working and forgot about it) |
| [04:52:56] | jmichelsen: | ic |
| [04:53:32] | sphery: | I'm also using an old version of LIRC, and there may be a newer suggested driver for the ATI RW, but I like atilibusb because it didn't require a kernel module. |
| [04:53:49] | sphery: | I think atiusb requires a kernel module |
| [04:54:08] | jmichelsen: | but would the mod cause lirc to not load? |
| [04:54:28] | sphery: | If so, it's critical that you a) do not allow the kernel's ATI RW input-subsystem module to load (the one that treats the RW like a keyboard) and b) have th ekernel module loaded |
| [04:55:08] | jmichelsen: | to use atilibusb? |
| [04:55:38] | sphery: | actually, your choice of LIRC driver is best determined by your packager, so whichever one they expected you to use is the best |
| [04:56:11] | sphery: | (and, obviously, only someone using your distro would be able to help figure that out--if it's ubuntu-based, #ubuntu-mythtv may have more info) |
| [04:56:19] | jmichelsen: | well i am assuming either of the two it autostarted when plugging in the reciever? |
| [04:56:22] | jmichelsen: | ah cool |
| [04:56:32] | jmichelsen: | man well at least i am sure this remote will work lol |
| [04:56:35] | sphery: | did you do an lsmod | grep ati |
| [04:56:39] | jmichelsen: | yea |
| [04:56:48] | sphery: | yeah, it works great enough :) |
| [04:57:17] | jmichelsen: | when first plugged in it had lirc_atiusb and ati_remote |
| [04:57:22] | sphery: | meaning the RF is awesome, but the reliability leaves something to be desired (the more people I have in my viewing room, the more interference/the less reliable the remote is) |
| [04:57:31] | jmichelsen: | ah its working |
| [04:57:33] | jmichelsen: | !!!! |
| [04:57:38] | sphery: | ati_remote is the kernel's input system driver |
| [04:57:43] | sphery: | needs to be blacklisted or something |
| [04:57:45] | jmichelsen: | ati_remote worked |
| [04:57:50] | jmichelsen: | lirc one didnt |
| [04:57:57] | sphery: | ati_remote is using it like a keyboard |
| [04:58:04] | jmichelsen: | ah right |
| [04:58:16] | sphery: | so you have to remap all of Myth's keys to the ones used by the kernel's keyboard definition for the remote |
| [04:58:21] | sphery: | LIRC is the way to go |
| [04:58:27] | jmichelsen: | dang |
| [04:58:28] | sphery: | blacklist ati_remote, reboot, then try LIRC |
| [04:58:32] | jmichelsen: | well thats a start at least haha |
| [04:58:36] | jmichelsen: | ok il try that |
| [04:59:21] | sphery: | basically, just a "blacklist ati_remote" in /etc/modprobe.conf (or the /etc/modprobe.d/<somefile> stuff that I think *buntu uses) |
| [04:59:23] | jmichelsen: | be back in a bit, thanks for the pointers |
| [04:59:27] | sphery: | gl |
| [04:59:31] | jmichelsen: | oh |
| [04:59:33] | jmichelsen: | one more thing |
| [04:59:50] | jmichelsen: | maybe distro specific but what config files are there? |
| [04:59:58] | sphery: | for Myth? |
| [04:59:59] | jmichelsen: | /etc/lircd.conf and what else?? |
| [05:00:01] | jmichelsen: | yea |
| [05:00:02] | sphery: | Oh |
| [05:00:02] | iamlindoro: | yeah, think it's /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in #ubnti |
| [05:00:17] | iamlindoro: | er *bunti |
| [05:00:18] | jmichelsen: | iamlindoro: thanks, it is, got it blacklisted and ready for reboot |
| [05:00:37] | sphery: | /etc/lircd.conf maps signals to button names. ~/.mythtv/lircrc or ~/.lircrc maps button names to application events |
| [05:01:12] | jmichelsen: | what about ~/.mythtv/lirc/mythtv |
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| [05:01:35] | sphery: | the application events for myth are "prog = mythtv" and "config = <key from the key mappings>" |
| [05:01:37] | jmichelsen: | i read somewhere someone copied there lircrc to that path renamed it that |
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| [05:02:14] | sphery: | that may be something that *buntu does... #ubuntu-mythtv would be a better source of info on that |
| [05:02:21] | sphery: | It's definitely not standard Myth... |
| [05:02:28] | jmichelsen: | ok great |
| [05:02:31] | jmichelsen: | thanks for the start |
| [05:02:37] | sphery: | (or standard LIRC for that matter :) |
| [05:02:40] | sphery: | gl |
| [05:02:53] | jmichelsen: | will il be back if i need more haha |
| [05:03:10] | sphery: | back to watching TV and hitting my remote buttons 5–10 times to skip (because batteries are nearly dead) |
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| [05:07:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yep, looks like playing any in-progress recording will play to the exact second it was recording when you started it, then fail out silently to the menu |
| [05:07:48] | iamlindoro: | if it was 3 after when you started, it'll play three minutes and fail. |
| [05:08:10] | sphery: | :( |
| [05:08:15] | sphery: | even without editing? |
| [05:08:18] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:08:27] | iamlindoro: | every time, just tested with two in-progress |
| [05:08:35] | iamlindoro: | to the second |
| [05:08:40] | sphery: | hmmm. |
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| [05:09:01] | sphery: | trunk, right? |
| [05:09:03] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:09:11] | iamlindoro: | Been that way a good while, though |
| [05:09:41] | sphery: | I haven't seen anything in trac (though that's by no means authoritative) |
| [05:11:00] | iamlindoro: | yeah, there's one that sounds similar but doesn't refer to the exact issue (5639) |
| [05:11:07] | iamlindoro: | I think they are two seperate issues |
| [05:12:41] | sphery: | yeah, sounds different, but it may be related |
| [05:12:51] | sphery: | that one is 0.21-fixes, though |
| [05:13:03] | sphery: | so if it's the same, it's definitely been there for a while :) |
| [05:15:28] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: even if I cheat and skip to very close to that point? |
| [05:15:59] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, yep |
| [05:16:14] | iamlindoro: | no matter how you cheat or wait, it will always, always fail at that exact point. |
| [05:16:47] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5799 |
| [05:18:34] | iamlindoro: | (AFAICT) |
| [05:19:02] | iamlindoro: | It's been that way at least a few hundred revisions, but I beleive it's probably been longer |
| [05:19:04] | Anduin: | I can't reproduce it, even the edit behavior |
| [05:19:54] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... Weird. I've seen it on two seperate systems. ATM they are both running stock trunk with trivial non-player patches applied |
| [05:23:43] | Anduin: | I just watched more ER than anyone should and still can't see it, probably missing position map updates or something equally obscure |
| [05:24:34] | iamlindoro: | -v playback gives literally nothing, just fails silently |
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| [05:25:22] | iamlindoro: | Just the usual Xvideo discard buffers/frames/etc. |
| [05:27:02] | iamlindoro: | ah well, I don't need to watch stuff in progress that much anyway :) Time for sleep |
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| [05:33:48] | ** sphery wonders if the behavior may differ depending on whether commflagging is in progress on the recording (which may/may not occur on all in-progress recordings on a given system depending on the # of allowed jobs) ** | |
| [05:35:58] | Anduin: | Yeah, I wasn't commflagging any the ones I tried. |
| [05:49:41] | wagnerrp: | wow, that made my day... |
| [05:49:51] | wagnerrp: | 'nun on the run... NUN ON THE RUN!' |
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| [05:51:29] | eaxF00bar: | how well would mythtv run on a p3 800mhz with 256mb ram run |
| [05:51:50] | wagnerrp: | should do SD mpeg2 just fine |
| [05:52:03] | wagnerrp: | should do rtjpeg just fine |
| [05:52:20] | wagnerrp: | you wont be able to watch tv at the same time as using a framegrabber |
| [05:52:36] | wagnerrp: | you may not be able to play mpeg4 (ASP) content |
| [05:52:40] | eaxF00bar: | any suggestions on the best cheapest car that will help with that |
| [05:52:48] | eaxF00bar: | card* |
| [05:52:54] | wagnerrp: | you certainly will not be able to play mpeg4 (AVC) or HD content |
| [05:53:22] | wagnerrp: | what kind of card? tuner? graphics? network? sound? drive controller? |
| [05:53:30] | eaxF00bar: | im looking to get rid of this stupid cox cable box for something more useful |
| [05:53:37] | eaxF00bar: | sorry graphics card |
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| [05:54:05] | wagnerrp: | graphics card... get an nvidia |
| [05:54:28] | wagnerrp: | anything 5-series or better should suit you |
| [05:54:45] | eaxF00bar: | well that help alleviate the problems with recording and viewing at the same time since the gfx card does the encoding work |
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| [05:55:13] | wagnerrp: | the graphics card does the work of outputting the video to the tv |
| [05:55:26] | eaxF00bar: | dont they make a dual tv/gfx card |
| [05:55:32] | eaxF00bar: | that does both |
| [05:55:59] | wagnerrp: | tuner card does the work of capturing tv. mpeg encoders capture tv in a nice mpeg stream, taking the load off the CPU |
| [05:56:06] | wagnerrp: | look into an ivtv card |
| [05:56:29] | wagnerrp: | nvidia had some video capture cards, and then there are the ati all-in-wonder cards with tuners |
| [05:56:39] | wagnerrp: | the AIW cards were never very well supported in linux |
| [05:56:46] | wagnerrp: | and theyre only framegrabbers anyway |
| [05:56:53] | Sulx: | hmm...would it be possible to swap active programs through remote+lirc?-) |
| [05:56:59] | wagnerrp: | you want an mpeg encoder (ivtv) |
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| [05:57:09] | Sulx: | Thinking about binding one button to swap myth <-> xbmc =) |
| [05:57:28] | wagnerrp: | Suli: you could probably use irxevent to trigger an 'alt-tab' |
| [05:57:54] | Sulx: | hmm...yea...I dont think any wm supports lirc : |
| [05:58:08] | wagnerrp: | thats the purpose of irxevent |
| [05:58:12] | eaxF00bar: | which cheap tv would you personally suggest |
| [05:58:23] | wagnerrp: | it sends the keyboard command to the active X window |
| [05:58:36] | wagnerrp: | rather than through IPC to a compatible program |
| [05:58:54] | Sulx: | wagnerrp: ok nice...that should do it |
| [05:59:19] | wagnerrp: | its made for incompatible programs, so i assume it should be able to send an 'alt-tab' |
| [05:59:34] | Sulx: | yea that would be sufficient |
| [05:59:43] | wagnerrp: | eaxF00bar: you mean a tv card? |
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| [06:00:57] | eaxF00bar: | yea to encode |
| [06:01:09] | wagnerrp: | look for an ivtv card |
| [06:01:22] | wagnerrp: | primarily the hauppauge pvr-150/250/350/500s |
| [06:01:23] | eaxF00bar: | im poor and trying to do it as cheap as possible |
| [06:01:52] | wagnerrp: | theyre no longer manufactured, so typically not available for purchase new |
| [06:01:58] | wagnerrp: | but you can still find them on froogle |
| [06:02:05] | wagnerrp: | of fleabay |
| [06:02:09] | wagnerrp: | s/of/or/ |
| [06:02:54] | wagnerrp: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware is a list of cards that should work |
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| [06:05:21] | eaxF00bar: | i have a crappy dell usb tv tuner but i dont think anything but windows media center works with it |
| [06:09:49] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i keep running out of file space while trying to install |
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| [06:21:25] | bronson: | eaxF00bar, where are you located? |
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| [06:21:34] | bronson: | I have an old PVR-350 that I don't use anymore. |
| [06:21:42] | eaxF00bar: | us |
| [06:21:51] | bronson: | me too. state? |
| [06:21:55] | eaxF00bar: | ct |
| [06:21:55] | bronson: | I'm in San Francisco. |
| [06:22:05] | bronson: | hm, dunno what shipping would be. |
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| [06:22:36] | eaxF00bar: | post office doesnt charge much |
| [06:22:45] | eaxF00bar: | prolly less than 5$ |
| [06:24:08] | mchou: | eaxF00bar: you havent been to post office lately |
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| [06:25:02] | eaxF00bar: | 4.55 |
| [06:25:29] | eaxF00bar: | 4.80 priorty mail for 1 lb |
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| [06:26:34] | bronson: | well, I have no idea what a fair price for this thing is. |
| [06:26:48] | eaxF00bar: | just the card ? |
| [06:26:51] | bronson: | Looks like you can buy em new for $80 on fleab. |
| [06:27:03] | bronson: | Remote, remote sensor, batteries too. |
| [06:27:29] | bronson: | Dunno, $25+shipping? |
| [06:27:46] | eaxF00bar: | so like 30 beans? |
| [06:27:57] | bronson: | sounds like it |
| [06:28:03] | bronson: | if your source at the post office is right. :) |
| [06:28:21] | mchou: | 4.80 is priority for 1 lb ENVELOPE |
| [06:28:51] | eaxF00bar: | no its a package |
| [06:28:55] | mchou: | dont think that's the rate for a box |
| [06:29:06] | mchou: | Priority Mail® – Flat Rate Envelope $4.80 |
| [06:29:16] | eaxF00bar: | thatat priorot flat rate |
| [06:29:24] | eaxF00bar: | you can stuff lead in there for a flat price |
| [06:29:40] | mchou: | No you cant |
| [06:29:46] | eaxF00bar: | yes you can |
| [06:29:54] | eaxF00bar: | ive been using post office for years |
| [06:29:58] | mchou: | flat rate doesnt mean unlimited weight |
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| [06:30:27] | eaxF00bar: | ive sent 50 blank dvds to lithuania for 6.86 |
| [06:31:04] | mchou: | 50 blank dvds is hardly lead |
| [06:31:22] | eaxF00bar: | flat rate enevelope mean as long as you can fit it in that evelope they will send it for that price |
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| [06:31:56] | eaxF00bar: | same with flat rate boxes |
| [06:32:04] | eaxF00bar: | thats why they call it flat rate |
| [06:32:09] | eaxF00bar: | http://postcalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?Co . . . ngTime=17:00 |
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| [10:26:10] | PilotChris: | hi there, just a question: i'm running a self-built mythtv (rev 16586) atm. this is quite a bit before qt4 changes started. is it save to upgrade to head now? am i able to switch back to rev. 16586 if head does not work as expected? usual backup of mythconverg provided.. |
| [10:26:55] | justinh: | safe? trunk won't result in your house being burned down :) |
| [10:27:14] | PilotChris: | but my wife would, if it doesn't ;-) |
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| [10:27:43] | PilotChris: | so it is essentially for me to keep a running system |
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| [10:28:25] | PilotChris: | atm i have a special directory of rev 16586 sources and objects, which i just installed again when head did not work in the past... |
| [10:28:48] | PilotChris: | but i don't know if this will still work as there were major changes to the system |
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| [10:30:56] | PilotChris: | anyone using head at the moment? |
| [10:32:54] | Sulx: | yup |
| [10:33:09] | Sulx: | otherwise I would be dead |
| [10:33:52] | PilotChris: | would you say it is stable enough to let it be operated by 3 daus? |
| [10:33:58] | Sulx: | and yes...also myth trunk |
| [10:34:12] | Sulx: | stable yes |
| [10:34:20] | Sulx: | at least backend is |
| [10:34:38] | Sulx: | mainly only problems are with the plugins |
| [10:34:49] | PilotChris: | ... hmmm ... that's fine. |
| [10:35:07] | PilotChris: | backend and frontend without plugins would be sufficient for now |
| [10:35:47] | Sulx: | plugins are not unusable unstable |
| [10:36:09] | fietsbel: | can anyone help me with a dvb-c card? |
| [10:36:20] | PilotChris: | main thing would be that watching tv (dvb-s) works at least as it did with previous versions... |
| [10:36:41] | PilotChris: | what problem do you have with dvb-c |
| [10:36:42] | PilotChris: | ? |
| [10:37:00] | fietsbel: | mythtv isn't able to find any channels |
| [10:37:57] | PilotChris: | hmm... large range of possible problems... what did you do to get it running until now? |
| [10:38:14] | fietsbel: | well. at the moment I'm trying to run kaffeine |
| [10:38:20] | fietsbel: | I want to make sure my card is working ifrst |
| [10:38:27] | fietsbel: | but haven't been able to get any output yet |
| [10:38:27] | justinh: | PilotChris: it's trunk. YMMV |
| [10:39:52] | justinh: | PilotChris: there's no pressing need to upgrade anyway unless you're a HD-PVR user |
| [10:40:10] | justinh: | certainly nothing in terms of stuff you'll notice immediately |
| [10:40:30] | fietsbel: | PilotChris with scan I can find a lot of channels |
| [10:40:36] | fietsbel: | but with w_scan I FIND NONE |
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| [10:44:00] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: hm... w_scan should work as far as i can see... what parameters do you start dvbscan with? |
| [10:44:32] | fietsbel: | dvbscan? |
| [10:44:34] | fietsbel: | you mean scan? |
| [10:44:41] | PilotChris: | yup |
| [10:44:51] | fietsbel: | with a file |
| [10:44:52] | fietsbel: | I made |
| [10:44:56] | fietsbel: | with frequencys in it |
| [10:45:08] | PilotChris: | justinh: i have read through commit logs, and there were two stability fixes that would apply for me |
| [10:45:27] | justinh: | so eat it up then |
| [10:46:44] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: does scan work with frequencies generated by |
| [10:46:53] | PilotChris: | w_scan -fc -x > initial_tuning_data.txt |
| [10:46:54] | PilotChris: | ? |
| [10:48:17] | justinh: | fietsbel was here yesterday with the same problem. NOT LISTENING |
| [10:49:03] | PilotChris: | justinh: build of head running ;-) :'S |
| [10:55:29] | fietsbel: | justinh it's not the same problem |
| [10:55:31] | justinh: | and btw if mythtv fails with your digital cable provider, that's just God's way of saying you should use other pvr software |
| [10:56:50] | fietsbel: | hmm that's werid |
| [10:57:58] | justinh: | the not listening is the same problem though |
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| [11:00:04] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: did you try w_scan with that frequency list? |
| [11:00:29] | fietsbel: | w_scan tries every frequency right? |
| [11:00:58] | PilotChris: | as i understand, it generates a list of valid frequencies for dvb-c and tries all those it knows... |
| [11:01:13] | PilotChris: | which country do you live in / what cable provider? |
| [11:01:18] | fietsbel: | netherlands |
| [11:01:19] | fietsbel: | ziggo |
| [11:02:12] | fietsbel: | YES |
| [11:02:14] | fietsbel: | GOT IT TO WORK |
| [11:02:37] | fietsbel: | Ok I have been able to view a non-encrypted channel now |
| [11:02:52] | PilotChris: | did you see this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_ . . . n_with_DVB-C |
| [11:03:21] | PilotChris: | could probably apply to your prob. |
| [11:03:38] | PilotChris: | congratulation ;-) |
| [11:05:04] | fietsbel: | well |
| [11:05:10] | fietsbel: | but it also find encrypted channesl |
| [11:05:15] | fietsbel: | but that won't work with my cam :( |
| [11:07:03] | fietsbel: | it appears the cam aint working.. |
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| [11:11:27] | PilotChris: | hmm... paytv and cams are not my playground (who needs pay tv anyway ;-) ) |
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| [11:15:48] | fietsbel: | PilotChris it works now |
| [11:15:51] | fietsbel: | it finds channel in mythtv |
| [11:15:57] | PilotChris: | :-) |
| [11:16:09] | fietsbel: | but |
| [11:16:11] | fietsbel: | not with with cam |
| [11:19:23] | fietsbel: | PilotChris I don't see any scanall.sh ? |
| [11:19:29] | fietsbel: | on the page you gave me |
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| [11:21:39] | csl: | I can't for the life of me get my remote working in myth... I got it to work with LIRC/irw, but all that works in myth are the numbers |
| [11:21:49] | csl: | the rest of the keys don't respond at all in myth |
| [11:22:19] | fietsbel: | did you make a keymap for them? |
| [11:23:13] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: modified mythic.pl solution -> 2. Create a czap channels.conf -> download link works perfect for me... perhaps some filter for shell scripts active? |
| [11:23:43] | fietsbel: | ? |
| [11:23:50] | fietsbel: | the link works for me |
| [11:23:57] | fietsbel: | but I don't have any scanall.sh file in there |
| [11:23:59] | fietsbel: | do you have that? |
| [11:24:30] | fietsbel: | PilotChris ? |
| [11:25:34] | csl: | fietsbel: I ran the mythbuntu auto configuration that seemed to work |
| [11:25:56] | PilotChris: | ??? maybe i don't get your question... link works, contents is #!/bin/sh and so on... saved it to scanall.sh – which step did not work for you? |
| [11:26:15] | fietsbel: | oh shit :p |
| [11:26:17] | fietsbel: | my mistake |
| [11:27:53] | fietsbel: | ok it's running pigeon |
| [11:27:55] | fietsbel: | PilotChris |
| [11:28:12] | fietsbel: | I wonder if it 's gonna fnd anything for that matter |
| [11:29:41] | JEDIDIAH_: | mythtv has it's own lircrc file |
| [11:30:19] | JEDIDIAH_: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
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| [11:32:54] | fietsbel: | I guess all I can do now is wait for hours PilotChris |
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| [11:47:45] | justinh: | csl: it's important that the button names in lircrc line up with the actual names of the remote buttons in lircd.conf (those which irw report) |
| [11:48:03] | justinh: | they're case sensitive btw |
| [11:50:56] | csl: | I figured it out.. thanks for your help |
| [11:51:37] | csl: | I only have one last problem now. Whenever I change the channel or do anything that causes a popup during watching live tv it makes the video and audio very jumpy |
| [11:51:51] | csl: | I'm guessing because the processor can just barely keep up as is |
| [11:52:21] | csl: | is there anything that can be done about that? |
| [11:52:35] | csl: | maybe just display text instaead of a graphic? |
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| [11:57:37] | fietsbel: | PilotChris this takes long :P |
| [11:59:28] | JEDIDIAH_: | being a cheapskate has inevitable consequences. |
| [12:01:07] | PilotChris: | long is relative – if it is not ready tomorrow, then it takes long... ;-) |
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| [12:01:51] | PilotChris: | building mythtv on a 700MHz P3 with 128MB RAM dit take long... |
| [12:02:04] | PilotChris: | for gods sake these times are gone ;-) |
| [12:10:31] | fietsbel: | PilotChris |
| [12:10:36] | fietsbel: | it didn't find any working frequency |
| [12:10:43] | justinh: | csl: no way to do away with the OSD graphics but you can disable the movement which'll improve things |
| [12:10:59] | justinh: | and of course having the right video drivers installed helps a lot |
| [12:13:14] | justinh: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MythTV-Apache-HTTP-Serv . . . p3286.c0.m14 :-O |
| [12:14:01] | justinh: | 500 quids for 'a computer' with myth preinstalled. wanker |
| [12:14:33] | justinh: | oops. 600 |
| [12:14:57] | fietsbel: | PilotChris it didn't find any channels... |
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| [12:22:38] | csl: | justinh: am I just looking for a menu setting to dsable movement? |
| [12:23:49] | justinh: | disable fade in tv playback settings |
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| [12:27:02] | JEDIDIAH_: | when I built trunk on an appletv it didn't seem to take too terribly long... then again I wasn't expecting much considering... |
| [12:29:23] | PilotChris: | hmmm... i get a linker error on building mythtv/programs/mythtv ... |
| [12:29:29] | JEDIDIAH_: | you're just mad because you didn't think of it first... preinstalled Myth box on ebay |
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| [12:29:45] | PilotChris: | anyone seen this before? |
| [12:30:31] | csl: | thanks justinh |
| [12:31:14] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: but you did find channels with mythtv before? |
| [12:31:27] | JEDIDIAH_: | if it doesn't link... then mebbe something is missing. The mythtv configure script isn't terribly robust. I usually end up adding dependencies during the build. |
| [12:32:23] | JEDIDIAH_: | there's also the new QT with trunk and associated webkit/mythbrowser difficulties. |
| [12:32:51] | PilotChris: | i just built a gcc 4.3.2 as my old gcc (3.???) was not sufficient to build mythtv. is it possible that libstdc++.so.5 is left over by an old gcc installation? |
| [12:34:55] | PilotChris: | Oh, it seems that the linker searches for something regarding gcc 4.2 (which i had installed intermediately) . how can i tell the configure script just to use most current libs? |
| [12:34:55] | PilotChris: | undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetIPInfo@GCC_4.2.0' |
| [12:34:59] | fietsbel: | PilotChris what do you mean? |
| [12:35:22] | fietsbel: | I can find channels with mythtv yet |
| [12:35:25] | fietsbel: | but not with w_scan |
| [12:35:35] | fietsbel: | and with mythtv when I enter a starting frequency |
| [12:35:39] | fietsbel: | it only finds 8 or 9 |
| [12:35:46] | fietsbel: | it sticks to 1 frequency |
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| [12:36:34] | klarkc: | hi ! =] |
| [12:37:18] | justinh: | stupid emoticon.. welcome to the list |
| [12:37:52] | klarkc: | kkk =P =) xD ¬¬' -.- *-* |
| [12:38:12] | PilotChris: | hmm |
| [12:38:56] | justinh: | cat $GREETING > /dev/null |
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| [12:40:49] | justinh: | fietsbel: that's because it sounds like mythtv no worky with your cable provider |
| [12:41:05] | PilotChris: | perhaps you could find someone using ziggo as cable provider who has got it running, but for so long, you have to stick with the instructions contained in the link i posted. i am not sure if it is possible at all, as there seems to exist heavy problems with ziggo (and other cable providers) |
| [12:41:07] | justinh: | probably because they do a load of non-standard crap |
| [12:41:13] | fietsbel: | hmm |
| [12:41:22] | PilotChris: | justinh: thanks, i typed too slow ;-) |
| [12:41:27] | fietsbel: | It's finding channels now though |
| [12:41:31] | fietsbel: | PilotChris |
| [12:41:34] | fietsbel: | it found a few more now |
| [12:41:48] | PilotChris: | but as i understand, it will loose channels on first try to tune |
| [12:41:58] | fietsbel: | don't knoiw about that |
| [12:42:06] | fietsbel: | it's now scanning transport ID |
| [12:42:11] | fietsbel: | what does that mena? |
| [12:42:11] | justinh: | what kind of name for a company is ziggo anyway |
| [12:42:29] | fietsbel: | what are transport id's ? |
| [12:42:53] | justinh: | oh look what I found by googling for 'ziggo cable mythtv' : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_ . . . n_with_DVB-C |
| [12:43:03] | PilotChris: | fietsbel: don't you have the possibility to switch over to dvb-s? astra satelites are verified to work as a charm with mythtv |
| [12:44:57] | justinh: | ziggo is broken, and it's known to be broken. |
| [12:45:10] | justinh: | and they don't acknowledge there's a problem |
| [12:47:30] | justinh: | so you basically have 3 choices. 1. give up now. 2. switch providers or 3. do both 1 & 2 |
| [12:48:18] | justinh: | cable providers are always doing this retarded stuff. they do all kinds of weird things that fly in the face of DVB STANDARDS. |
| [12:48:55] | justinh: | but hey – it always works with the STBs they give/sell you so why would they worry? ;) |
| [12:51:53] | fietsbel: | ok guys |
| [12:52:10] | fietsbel: | I found some numbers |
| [12:52:22] | fietsbel: | I should enter 356,00 mhz and network number 1111 into mythtv |
| [12:52:24] | fietsbel: | how can I do this? |
| [12:52:33] | fietsbel: | I found this information in the stuff provided by my cable company |
| [12:56:03] | justinh: | heh. looking up more results for 'ziggo cable mythtv' finds lots & lots of illegal stuff |
| [12:57:17] | justinh: | fietsbel: in the channel scanner page.. opt to do a tuned scan & put those numbers into the boxes |
| [12:57:28] | justinh: | like you were told to do yesterday |
| [12:57:32] | fietsbel: | where can I put the 1111 ? |
| [12:57:35] | fietsbel: | in what box? |
| [12:57:43] | justinh: | if you had listened to what people were telling you... grrrr |
| [12:58:17] | fietsbel: | sorry dude, I'm new to this dvb-c used a hauppauge 500 before that |
| [12:58:31] | fietsbel: | I entered the hertz...but have no idea where to put the 1111 |
| [12:59:16] | justinh: | this is the snag with mythtv. it expects to find stuff like the network ID in tables which are broadcast on the stream. Oh you know.. like the DVB spec says should happen |
| [13:00:53] | fietsbel: | ok....any way I can work around that? |
| [13:02:42] | justinh: | probably not |
| [13:02:51] | justinh: | this is why people say ziggo is BROKEN |
| [13:03:12] | fietsbel: | meaning there's NO way I can watch? |
| [13:03:56] | justinh: | yup. you're screwed |
| [13:04:04] | justinh: | thank ziggo |
| [13:04:17] | fietsbel: | well justinh how come settop boxes work with it then? |
| [13:04:36] | justinh: | because set top boxes are NOT MYTHTV |
| [13:04:48] | justinh: | it's simple |
| [13:04:55] | fietsbel: | so basically it's a combination of mythtv and ziggo which is failing |
| [13:05:09] | justinh: | ziggo do out of spec stuff which the STBs happen to support |
| [13:05:22] | justinh: | VDR might work |
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| [13:06:07] | justinh: | hell, it might even be that there's a way you can work around the problem but the thing with dvb-s and dvb-c users is, they never fucking document anything |
| [13:06:30] | fietsbel: | I found something interesting |
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| [13:07:22] | fietsbel: | justinh when I scan the frequency they give me |
| [13:07:26] | fietsbel: | I'm getting the following http://pastebin.com/m349c0e1f |
| [13:07:35] | fietsbel: | which are all brands for decoders the allow you to use |
| [13:08:19] | justinh: | see? non-standard crap |
| [13:09:00] | justinh: | maybe you could ask famicom .. he's on ziggo |
| [13:10:30] | fietsbel: | famicom are you here? |
| [13:10:34] | fietsbel: | is he here often justinh ? |
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| [13:12:17] | justinh: | have you tried asking on mythtv.nl by the way? |
| [13:13:04] | fietsbel: | no-one there? |
| [13:13:17] | fietsbel: | oh you mean the website |
| [13:14:15] | jduggan: | theyre all getting high in those cafes |
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| [13:18:02] | fietsbel: | hmm |
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| [13:21:10] | famicom: | heyu |
| [13:21:12] | famicom: | fietsbel |
| [13:21:14] | famicom: | sup |
| [13:21:16] | famicom: | wat wil je weten |
| [13:21:23] | famicom: | check www.mythbuntu.nl |
| [13:21:37] | famicom: | als je specifieke vragen hebt moet je ff een pm sturen |
| [13:21:46] | famicom: | dan schrijf ik wel een uitgebreide howto voor je |
| [13:21:52] | sid3windr: | miffboentoe |
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| [13:40:06] | blaatz0r: | hej famicom <-- ik ben er weer |
| [13:40:11] | famicom: | ok |
| [13:40:12] | blaatz0r: | moet even wachten tot die andere timeout voo rik kan pm'en |
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| [13:47:34] | famicom: | ok |
| [13:47:36] | famicom: | ik heb de database |
| [13:47:51] | blaatz0r: | ok |
| [13:47:56] | blaatz0r: | kan je hem nergens neerzetten |
| [13:55:15] | blaatz0r: | famicom ? |
| [13:56:05] | famicom: | ja wachtt ff pik |
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| [13:57:10] | blaatz0r: | eindelijk |
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| [14:04:43] | famicom: | http://mythbuntu.nl/uncategorized/ziggo-dvb-c-frequency-settings |
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| [14:09:00] | [Jasper]: | famicom |
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| [14:09:04] | [Jasper]: | heb ik die inputgroup ook nodig? |
| [14:10:55] | famicom: | probeer het uit zou ik zeggen |
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| [14:26:04] | PsychoI3oy: | anyone have any ideas why I lose the first 2 or 3 seconds of sound after a commercial skip occasionally? |
| [14:26:21] | PsychoI3oy: | at first I thought it was just Discovery channel but it's happened on another channel just now |
| [14:26:35] | PsychoI3oy: | on a .nuv recorded from a bttv card hooked up to my cable |
| [14:27:02] | PsychoI3oy: | I've googled and searched the bug list but either it's unique to me or I'm not searching with the right terms |
| [14:27:33] | PsychoI3oy: | it could be comcast |
| [14:28:13] | PsychoI3oy: | cause the tail end of the commercial plays but the first 2 or 3 seconds of the show after commercial don't |
| [14:28:26] | PsychoI3oy: | I can't tell if this commercial was a local one inserted by comcast or not |
| [14:30:36] | PsychoI3oy: | it's not a huge deal but it's something I've noticed through several versions of mythtv |
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| [14:43:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Is it only on a commercial skip – ie, if you back up 10 seconds into the commerical, is the sound there, or the same symptoms? |
| [14:44:29] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, the actual recording lacks audio |
| [14:44:39] | PsychoI3oy: | if I back up into the commercial it's still silent as the program starts |
| [14:44:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Then I'd say it's a provider issue. |
| [14:44:50] | PsychoI3oy: | I doubt it's anything that mythcommflag can be doing to the recording |
| [14:44:55] | PsychoI3oy: | that's what I thought |
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| [14:45:21] | PsychoI3oy: | comcast's so big it's a wonder nobody else has said anything about it, though |
| [14:45:31] | PsychoI3oy: | guess my google-fu is weak this morning |
| [14:45:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Mythcommflag is just detecting commercials and adding entries in the database of where the commercials start and end. It doesn't do anyting with audio... |
| [14:45:57] | PsychoI3oy: | i didn't think so |
| [14:46:03] | PsychoI3oy: | just curious |
| [14:46:14] | PsychoI3oy: | hell, at this point, i'm gladd mythcommflag is working at all |
| [14:46:19] | PsychoI3oy: | though it's always worked for this card |
| [14:46:38] | PsychoI3oy: | it's just failing on my new pcHDTV 5500 card with the OTA HD stuff |
| [14:46:55] | PsychoI3oy: | but that's another question entirely |
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| [14:47:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Really? I haven't had any problems with my ATSC stuff... |
| [14:48:10] | PsychoI3oy: | most recordings from the ATSC card seem to skip the first 2 commercials then give up |
| [14:48:24] | PsychoI3oy: | and mythcommflag takes close to an hour after the program's over to even do that |
| [14:48:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: You have to remember that commercial detection is a moving target — and broadcasters are 'keen' to how we're detecting commercials, and are coming out with ways to 'break/fool' it... |
| [14:48:46] | PsychoI3oy: | right |
| [14:48:58] | PsychoI3oy: | but it gives up indexing the incomming mpeg stream entirely |
| [14:49:23] | PsychoI3oy: | such that after a certain point, skipping back/forward/up/down doesn't matter, it skips 5 seconds forward, and comes up garbled for 3 frames after |
| [14:49:36] | PsychoI3oy: | part of that is imperfect reception, I'm sure |
| [14:49:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Humm... How 'beefy' is your backend hardware? (My backend is pretty quick – Athlon 64 x2 4800+ and 2GB ram) |
| [14:50:08] | PsychoI3oy: | my backend is an athlon 2800 barton core |
| [14:50:23] | PsychoI3oy: | frontend's a A64 x2 6000+ |
| [14:50:39] | PsychoI3oy: | backend is basically my previous desktop |
| [14:50:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Well, if your signal is poor, and you're getting 'blocks', then that will certainly mess up the commercial detection. I've got strong signal on my channels (only 26 miles from Boston) |
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| [14:51:08] | PsychoI3oy: | backend has 1gb ram and a 500gb sata drive for the HD stuff |
| [14:51:41] | PsychoI3oy: | I'm 21 miles from the main tower for the 4 major networks (FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC) in Denver |
| [14:51:53] | PsychoI3oy: | and have an epic huge antenna (unfortunately inside) |
| [14:52:15] | PsychoI3oy: | I built it with help from a lot of reading on avsforums |
| [14:52:26] | PsychoI3oy: | based off the 'youtube' coathanger desing |
| [14:52:31] | PsychoI3oy: | 4 bay bowtie |
| [14:52:42] | PsychoI3oy: | modified for the frequencies I want |
| [14:53:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: I've got a directional UHF-only antenna on my roof aimed at Boston (Rat-shack $29), and I get all the Boston locals perfectly, without an amp. |
| [14:53:28] | PsychoI3oy: | for now I've turned off commercial detection for that stuff cause a good chunk of it gets transcoded for viewing at work anyway |
| [14:53:34] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [14:53:57] | PsychoI3oy: | no amp here, and I'd get everything damn near perfect if I could keep this outside on my patio but the apartment people would probably throw a fit |
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| [14:55:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Here's my antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search |
| [14:55:17] | PsychoI3oy: | ah, ye olde yagi |
| [14:55:31] | PsychoI3oy: | http://blargification.com/blarg/index.php?/ar . . . !.html<-- mine |
| [14:55:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Works quite well. ;-) |
| [14:55:37] | PsychoI3oy: | http://blargification.com/blarg/index.php?/ar . . . nished!.html <-- mine |
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| [14:55:49] | PsychoI3oy: | about 5 feet tall and 4 feet wide |
| [14:57:01] | PsychoI3oy: | after feb of next year I shouldn't have to worry about reception |
| [14:57:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Humm.. in my NX session I basically get a black screen with text, no pics on that page... let me paste it into my peecee's M$ browser locally... |
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| [14:57:41] | PsychoI3oy: | the 2 channels that suck the most are UHF 16 and 17 and will be full power VHF-HI on 7 and 9 after the changeover |
| [14:57:57] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, I blame serendipity if the html/css sucks |
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| [14:58:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Same... seems to be sorted by date — what's the date of the post? |
| [14:58:34] | PsychoI3oy: | 2008-09–13 |
| [14:58:44] | PsychoI3oy: | it may have barfed on the ! in the title |
| [14:58:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ah, here we go... |
| [14:58:57] | PsychoI3oy: | i didn't realize s9y would title the page like that when i put in the entry |
| [14:59:29] | PsychoI3oy: | towards the bottom is my tvfool listing |
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| [15:00:10] | PsychoI3oy: | the next step for me is to find something to use as a real reflector on the back |
| [15:00:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Gee, you don't have a 100W soldering gun? |
| [15:00:21] | PsychoI3oy: | no |
| [15:00:26] | PsychoI3oy: | i have a cold heat pro now |
| [15:00:33] | PsychoI3oy: | just got it this week from thinkgeek |
| [15:00:41] | PsychoI3oy: | but I have no AA batteries that aren't NIMh |
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| [15:01:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Are those any good? They basically create heat with an electrical short, right? Just doesn't seem like a good idea for small electronics stuff that I usually do... |
| [15:01:55] | PsychoI3oy: | that's what I've heard |
| [15:02:07] | PsychoI3oy: | I've seen the basic one used on hak5 for electronics, though |
| [15:02:34] | PsychoI3oy: | and the 30w radio shack i have is perfect for electronics, as long as I stay away from this newfangled solder |
| [15:02:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yikes, alot of HD around you, but all around you... 95% of our stations are right in Boston... one direction for me, so the yagi works great! |
| [15:03:04] | wagnerrp: | the short (or whatever) is inside the device, and then they have a solid carbon probe on the end |
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| [15:03:06] | PsychoI3oy: | like I said, the 4 I actually care about are on the same hill |
| [15:03:21] | wagnerrp: | apparently it has very high heat transfer, with no thermal inertia |
| [15:03:49] | wagnerrp: | problem is more that the probe is large, so its not very good for precise soldering work |
| [15:04:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Humm.. maybe that's the 2nd generation one? The 1st generation one I saw first-hand had a 'fork' tip to it... |
| [15:04:09] | PsychoI3oy: | KDVR, KCNC, KUSA and KMGH |
| [15:04:21] | PsychoI3oy: | KUSA and KMGH being my problem children right now |
| [15:04:30] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, they all do |
| [15:04:45] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A|work: so did the one i saw at work, but it certainly did not arc while in use |
| [15:05:03] | PsychoI3oy: | wagnerrp, i got a conical tip when i ordered the thing |
| [15:05:04] | wagnerrp: | unless maybe it arcs across the solder bead |
| [15:05:15] | PsychoI3oy: | it comes with a chisel tip that's effing huge for electronics |
| [15:05:17] | wagnerrp: | thats a possibility |
| [15:05:29] | PsychoI3oy: | the videos I saw showed a minor arc |
| [15:05:46] | PsychoI3oy: | no worse than a door knob after carpet+ socks |
| [15:05:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks he'll just stick to his tiny 1mm 30w iron... ;-) ** | |
| [15:05:54] | PsychoI3oy: | but tha's plenty to fry electronics |
| [15:06:08] | PsychoI3oy: | eventually I'd love a nice adjustable soldering station |
| [15:06:22] | PsychoI3oy: | but I don't solder that much so the $100+ isn't worth it |
| [15:06:58] | PsychoI3oy: | and like I said, I have no alkaline AAs, so I have no experience with this yet |
| [15:07:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Hey, did you look into 'cooling racks' for your rear reflector? I actually bought some at a dollar store to build an antenna like yours, but it never made the "Round-Tuit" list... |
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| [15:07:45] | PsychoI3oy: | no but that's a good idea |
| [15:07:57] | PsychoI3oy: | i used one of my oven racks by hand to see if it boosted the gain |
| [15:08:10] | PsychoI3oy: | but it's not big enough for this thing |
| [15:08:16] | PsychoI3oy: | 2 of them still wouldn't be wide enough |
| [15:08:42] | PsychoI3oy: | the concensus on the avsforums is to use some sort of wire fencing or concrete reinforcing 'construction mesh/fabric' |
| [15:08:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | But an oven rack is pretty big, with big wires. A cake cooling rack is smaller, with smaller wires, closer together. Granted, you'd have to use like 8 or more of them for your rig, but it might work well... |
| [15:09:01] | PsychoI3oy: | hmm |
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| [15:09:27] | PsychoI3oy: | for the UHF range, anything under 1" of horizontal separation is overkill |
| [15:09:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... and at a Dollar store, they're $1 each... sometimes even $1 for 2! (usually anyways!) |
| [15:09:41] | PsychoI3oy: | hmm |
| [15:09:52] | PsychoI3oy: | i'll have to look for a dollar store around |
| [15:10:17] | PsychoI3oy: | i've been here 5 years but haven't really explored much |
| [15:10:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Would you get better reception with bare copper vs covered wire? Or does it not make a difference for that antenna? |
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| [15:11:13] | PsychoI3oy: | theoretically, i might gain half a db by stripping everything |
| [15:11:30] | PsychoI3oy: | but i'd probably mess up the wire in the process |
| [15:11:39] | PsychoI3oy: | not that it couldn't be straighter as it is |
| [15:11:47] | PsychoI3oy: | 14ga is just too easy to bedn |
| [15:11:48] | PsychoI3oy: | bend |
| [15:12:34] | PsychoI3oy: | at this point anything I don't catch well in a recording can be found on hulu or the like, so I'm really not gonna worry about the antenna too much till after feb 2k9 |
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| [15:13:27] | PsychoI3oy: | i've got autotranscoding with nuvexport set up right, i've got most of my schedule for this season set up, i'm really not inclined to mess with it too much more |
| [15:13:43] | PsychoI3oy: | at least till feb |
| [15:13:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Do you find it as patehetic as I do with all the sales talk that "Your TV will no longer work after Feb 2009!" Yeah, right... It'll work fine with Cable, Sat or a converter box... Oh, and your old roof-top antenna isn't HD Compatible... Yeah, right... |
| [15:14:09] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:14:11] | PsychoI3oy: | yeah |
| [15:14:23] | PsychoI3oy: | my analog cable will still be analog |
| [15:14:36] | PsychoI3oy: | i just got the hd card to see how much better it looks |
| [15:14:43] | PsychoI3oy: | it's definitely worth it |
| [15:15:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So... your cableco isn't supplying the locals in HD for you? |
| [15:15:05] | PsychoI3oy: | actually, i really only got it cause i needed a second tuner for some shows this season |
| [15:15:11] | PsychoI3oy: | oh, they are |
| [15:15:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So why do you need the antenna?!? |
| [15:15:25] | PsychoI3oy: | i just don't feel like messing with an ir blaster for the digital box |
| [15:15:38] | PsychoI3oy: | they don't do hd unless you have the digital box |
| [15:15:48] | PsychoI3oy: | (unless it's hidden in the QAM streams) |
| [15:15:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ir blasters aren't that bad. |
| [15:16:01] | PsychoI3oy: | digital cable costs a little more |
| [15:16:05] | PsychoI3oy: | don't feel like it |
| [15:16:11] | PsychoI3oy: | building the antenna was a fun project |
| [15:16:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: They're supposed to provide the Locals in the clear for free. (assuming you're an HD customer I think) |
| [15:16:34] | PsychoI3oy: | if it weren't for mythbusters and a few other shows, i'd ditch the cable alltogether |
| [15:16:48] | PsychoI3oy: | i just pay for the 99 channels of basic analog cable |
| [15:17:16] | PsychoI3oy: | I know I have QAM channels available, but didn't see any that I cared about |
| [15:17:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Yeah, me too. ;-) Discovery, TLC, USA network... That's what I watch mostly... ;-) (plus locals) |
| [15:17:39] | PsychoI3oy: | sup |
| [15:17:42] | PsychoI3oy: | erm, yup |
| [15:18:05] | PsychoI3oy: | mythbusters, dirty jobs, american chopper |
| [15:18:26] | PsychoI3oy: | plus the analog's nice when there's 2 things on broadcast that I want to record at the same time |
| [15:18:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Check, Check, Check... ;-) |
| [15:18:38] | PsychoI3oy: | terminator and Chuck |
| [15:18:52] | PsychoI3oy: | House and NCIS |
| [15:18:54] | PsychoI3oy: | etc. |
| [15:19:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has 2 Dish STB's for that... had 3, down-sized to just 2 with 2 HD OTA HD for now... (HD Homerun) ** | |
| [15:19:13] | PsychoI3oy: | ah |
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| [15:20:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I started with 3 Dish STB, and a HD3000 – expanded to include a HD5500, then dropped one Dish STB, and switched from the PCI HD cards to a HDHomeRun... ;-) |
| [15:20:29] | PsychoI3oy: | hdHomeRun, is that like a slingbox or something? |
| [15:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So I've got 2 PCI slots open now... ;-) |
| [15:21:06] | PsychoI3oy: | hehe |
| [15:21:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: It's a Network -connected Dual HD tuner. I'm using it for ATSC OTA. ;-) |
| [15:21:27] | PsychoI3oy: | monday nights are the only time I'd want 3 tuners |
| [15:21:42] | PsychoI3oy: | Terminator Sarah Connor, Chuck, and Big Bang theory |
| [15:22:11] | PsychoI3oy: | since CBS's web viewer sucks and Chuck is more awesome than anything, I usually watch Terminator on hulu or fox.com |
| [15:22:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: With 3 tuners, I never got any conflicts. With just 2 SD tuners, I get some conflicts now. Maybe I'll throw the PVR-150 back in and put the 3rd dish receiver back in the mix... |
| [15:22:25] | PsychoI3oy: | other than that, most of my scheduling works |
| [15:22:26] | sphery: | I have 4 capture cards and I have a conflict on Monday nights (and Chuck keeps getting pushed because of the Saturday showing, then the Saturday showing doesn't show, so I'm missing Chuck). |
| [15:22:47] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, that sucks |
| [15:23:00] | sphery: | yeah, stupid network promising to air a show then not doing it... :( |
| [15:23:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | You can probably view it online now, but I think it requires winblows. |
| [15:23:21] | PsychoI3oy: | I accidentally recorded Life on Mars last night because of that |
| [15:23:25] | sphery: | I'm having to manually correct, now |
| [15:23:36] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, Hulu works in ff3/gentoo for me |
| [15:23:41] | sphery: | they had LoM instead of something else? |
| [15:23:55] | ** PsychoI3oy ashamed to admit this: ** | |
| [15:24:01] | PsychoI3oy: | I wanted to record Ugly Betty |
| [15:24:11] | sphery: | lol |
| [15:24:13] | PsychoI3oy: | it's normally 7pm (MDT) on ABC |
| [15:24:25] | ** sphery doesn't mention his recording rule for that one ** | |
| [15:24:34] | PsychoI3oy: | for some reason this week the scheduling seemed to oscilate between 7pm and 9pm |
| [15:24:43] | PsychoI3oy: | the last update yesterday morning put it back at 9pm |
| [15:24:49] | PsychoI3oy: | so it record LoM |
| [15:25:00] | PsychoI3oy: | but I watched the first 10 minutes of it and it looks interesting |
| [15:25:13] | ** PsychoI3oy never finds out about new stuff because of mythcommflag ** | |
| [15:25:26] | sphery: | So, now I wonder if my Ugly Betty and LoM are mis-labeled |
| [15:25:47] | PsychoI3oy: | might be |
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| [15:25:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: PS: When we were talking about soldering irons – I picked up one of these at Rat Shack recently – much more usable than the CH imho: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2911246 |
| [15:25:58] | PsychoI3oy: | might have just been the Denver area schedule for it |
| [15:26:19] | PsychoI3oy: | 15 watt? |
| [15:26:27] | PsychoI3oy: | will that even melt silver solder? |
| [15:26:44] | PsychoI3oy: | i have to let my 30w get all the way hot to avoid cold joints |
| [15:26:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Heats up to 365 in 7 seconds. |
| [15:26:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | max 1050 |
| [15:27:04] | sphery: | Hmmm. My Ugly Betty preview is definitely Betty. And the LoM preview is definitely not Betty, so I think they're right (unless, of course, it just--by pure chance--happened to have a commflagging issue that resulted in a commbreak being shown as part of the episode and the preview generated just happened to generate a preview using a commercial for the opposite show...) |
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| [15:27:37] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, must have been a glitch in my schedulesdirect |
| [15:27:42] | sphery: | For my UB was on at 8 and LoM at 10. (I'm Eastern time) |
| [15:27:51] | sphery: | s/my/me |
| [15:27:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work 's friends used to have 'Betty Alert's in high-school... ;-) (Ah, memories...) ** | |
| [15:28:01] | PsychoI3oy: | like i said, at one point this week UB showed in the normal time slot |
| [15:28:24] | PsychoI3oy: | but it'd previously shown 2 hours later and the final recording was the 2h later slot |
| [15:28:43] | sphery: | Hmmm. Too bad. |
| [15:28:46] | PsychoI3oy: | but i've been dinking around with so much in the last week trying to get auto nuvexport transcoding working |
| [15:28:50] | sphery: | Guess Hulu can help, though. |
| [15:28:51] | PsychoI3oy: | eh, i'll catch it on hulu |
| [15:28:57] | PsychoI3oy: | or by .... other means |
| [15:29:21] | PsychoI3oy: | like i said though, life on mars did look interesting enough for me to consider adding it anyway |
| [15:29:45] | PsychoI3oy: | I was almost late for work last night cause I was warching it to see if it was ugly betty or not |
| [15:30:06] | PsychoI3oy: | (it starts off in modern NYC, plausable enough to be something weird with UB) |
| [15:30:25] | sphery: | My Monday conflict is for a show that I'm not interested in, but I would watch with someone who is very interested... Dancing with the Stars. |
| [15:30:33] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:30:41] | PsychoI3oy: | I almost watched that show this season |
| [15:30:51] | PsychoI3oy: | when Penn and Adam Carolla were on it |
| [15:30:54] | sphery: | So, when I look to do conflict resolution, I have to decide between her and shows I really like... |
| [15:30:58] | PsychoI3oy: | but I forget |
| [15:31:00] | PsychoI3oy: | forgot |
| [15:31:03] | sphery: | Penn would be good. |
| [15:31:21] | PsychoI3oy: | and by the time I thought of it again, it was reading that they'd both been kicked off in the first 2 or 3 episodes |
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| [15:31:41] | ** PsychoI3oy is a LoveLine and BullShit fan ** | |
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| [15:31:56] | PsychoI3oy: | plus Adam's hosting the new Top Gear (america) |
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| [15:32:04] | sphery: | There is one other show in there that I don't watch (and have all of last season's episodes because I haven't started watching it)... Might be able to skip it. |
| [15:32:10] | PsychoI3oy: | ? |
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| [15:32:34] | sphery: | I record every episode of every new series just in case I start watching it. |
| [15:32:40] | PsychoI3oy: | hehe |
| [15:32:48] | sphery: | Gossip Girl was new last season, but I never started watching it. |
| [15:32:49] | PsychoI3oy: | that's .... overkill? |
| [15:33:00] | sphery: | But it hasn't been cancelled, so I'm still recording it. |
| [15:33:20] | sphery: | Don't know that I'll ever start watching it--even if people start saying great things about it. |
| [15:33:41] | PsychoI3oy: | it never sounded like anything I'd be interested in |
| [15:33:45] | sphery: | For me, Myth is the definition of overkill. Myth is my overkill-enabler. |
| [15:33:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:33:59] | PsychoI3oy: | then again neither did Weeds, until a coworker brought in the DVDs a couple weeks ago |
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| [15:34:11] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, good point |
| [15:34:21] | PsychoI3oy: | I'd never watch as much TV as I do now without it |
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| [15:34:42] | PsychoI3oy: | but at the same time, I used to channel surf on my nights off and find nothing worth watching |
| [15:34:47] | sphery: | I started watching Desperate Housewives--which never sounded interesting to me--because of all the talk about it. It was my first "record everything just in case" success story. |
| [15:34:57] | PsychoI3oy: | (I work nights, 11pm – 7am) |
| [15:35:02] | sphery: | wow |
| [15:35:18] | PsychoI3oy: | I used to get up and watch CSI (original) and 24 before going to work |
| [15:35:21] | sphery: | Yeah, Myth makes watching interesting TV possible. And timestretch makes it easy to catch a /lot/ of TV. |
| [15:35:27] | sphery: | 1.75x ftw! |
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| [15:35:54] | sphery: | only problem is at that speed, watching requires 100% focus |
| [15:36:00] | PsychoI3oy: | now I'm (thanks to coworkers with DVDs of past episodes) hoooked on Bones, NCIS, House, Heroes, and a bunch of stuff |
| [15:36:10] | sphery: | NCIS is great |
| [15:36:18] | sphery: | I have to catch House from the beginning... |
| [15:36:23] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, i'm happy with commercial skip and only speindng ~45 minutes watching 1 hour shows |
| [15:36:28] | sphery: | Just now catching Smallville from the beginning |
| [15:36:42] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, shouldn't be hard, it's on a bunch of channels in repeats |
| [15:36:59] | PsychoI3oy: | I did a lot of DVD watching this summer thanks to coworkers |
| [15:37:06] | PsychoI3oy: | mostly House and Bones |
| [15:37:17] | PsychoI3oy: | but in return I'm catching a coworker up on 24 |
| [15:37:29] | PsychoI3oy: | we're just past the halfway point in season 4 |
| [15:37:42] | PsychoI3oy: | sometimes being a graveyard security guard has its perks |
| [15:38:12] | sphery: | If you figure that an episode of a 1-hr TV is never more than 42-min content (most are probably under 40), watching at 1.25x, you can watch an hour of TV in 33min 36sec. At 1.5x, 28min. At 1.75x 24min. |
| [15:38:15] | PsychoI3oy: | as long as there's no fecal matter <-> rotary air mover interactions, we can watch DVDs/whatever |
| [15:38:37] | PsychoI3oy: | my brain doesn't work that fast, especially at 4 am |
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| [15:39:24] | sphery: | And, really, people won't notice that they're watching at 1.25x unless a) a song they know is played or b) a scene shows a full-body shot of people walking (almost never happens), or c) a physics-related anomaly occurs (i.e. a ball is thrown in the air and it's arc/fall is shown) |
| [15:40:01] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:40:05] | PsychoI3oy: | interesting |
| [15:40:19] | sphery: | I watched a bunch of TV with my parents at 1.25x and finally asked if they noticed anything different. They hadn't. Then I showed them what was going on (and cranked timestretch to 2.0x just so they could see it). |
| [15:40:24] | sphery: | They were impressed. |
| [15:40:40] | sphery: | I do a ton of DVD watching because of business travel. |
| [15:40:41] | PsychoI3oy: | considering the show I'm watching now is Pinks All Out from here in Denver, I'd probably notice the ETs being a bit off the actual percieved times |
| [15:40:55] | PsychoI3oy: | very interesting |
| [15:40:58] | sphery: | ET's? |
| [15:41:04] | PsychoI3oy: | elapsed times |
| [15:41:11] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [15:41:11] | PsychoI3oy: | what matters in a drag race |
| [15:41:20] | ** PsychoI3oy is a bit of a car geek ** | |
| [15:41:29] | sphery: | but imagine how fast they'd go at 1.25x... :) |
| [15:41:37] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work likes Pinks... ;-) ** | |
| [15:41:43] | PsychoI3oy: | not NASCAR (boring turning left crap!) but the homegrown drag racing is fun to watch |
| [15:41:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has a 1973 Chevelle Malibu ;-) ** | |
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| [15:41:53] | PsychoI3oy: | especially this one cause the local rock station was giving out tickets |
| [15:42:03] | ** PsychoI3oy stabs J-e-f-f-A|work and takes his car ** | |
| [15:43:06] | PsychoI3oy: | I could have bought a 67 Chevelle for $10.5k this summer but had to pass because of the lack of storage space at my apartment and the damage to my wallet that the fuel bills would have made by a 40something big block chevy |
| [15:43:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: This is a couple of years out of date, but here's my page about my car: http://mysite.verizon.net/~jartz/personal/car.html |
| [15:43:20] | PsychoI3oy: | it was a beautiful dark purple metallic, too |
| [15:43:21] | sphery: | Hmmm. If Fox cancels Termintor: TSCC (as rumor has it they will), that would solve my Monday night conflict... |
| [15:43:24] | PsychoI3oy: | almost black in sunlight |
| [15:43:41] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, i've already religated it to online-watching-if-i-remember |
| [15:44:04] | sphery: | So, Hulu just requires Flash, right? |
| [15:44:12] | PsychoI3oy: | I only ever watched it cause Summer Glau's on it, but she's really just replaying River without the emotional freaking out |
| [15:44:16] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, yes |
| [15:44:19] | PsychoI3oy: | but only flash |
| [15:44:41] | PsychoI3oy: | as opposed to ABC and ... one of the other networks that require a plugin but end up playing just like flash |
| [15:46:30] | PsychoI3oy: | hulu doesn't have any cbs stuff |
| [15:46:35] | PsychoI3oy: | fancast does |
| [15:46:42] | PsychoI3oy: | i think it's fancast.com |
| [15:46:47] | sphery: | Hmmm. Guess that means if I want Hulu, I can either a) rebuild my frontend as 32-bit, b) rebuild my frontend as multilib (will never happen), or c) write the 64-bit port of the Mozilla VM that Adobe needs for Flash so they'll finally release a 64-bit Flash |
| [15:46:48] | PsychoI3oy: | but they don't have everything |
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| [15:47:10] | PsychoI3oy: | and now IMDb is getting into the mix but their videos suck cause it's the same crappy corner of the page that their trailers play in |
| [15:47:50] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, there's a thing, it's a wrapper for 32 bit plugins for 64 bit browsers |
| [15:47:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has a light-bulb go on in his head- no wonder he coudn't get flash to work on his 64-bit os... DOH! ** | |
| [15:47:53] | PsychoI3oy: | nspluginwrapper |
| [15:48:03] | sphery: | right, but that requires 32-bit libs |
| [15:48:06] | PsychoI3oy: | i think that's the name |
| [15:48:09] | PsychoI3oy: | sphery, oh |
| [15:48:12] | sphery: | I don't do multilib (I'd rather just go 32-bit) |
| [15:48:25] | PsychoI3oy: | i built my gentoo install multilib from the beginning |
| [15:48:35] | PsychoI3oy: | actually my firefox is a 32bit right now |
| [15:48:39] | sphery: | Mozilla Tamarin VM... |
| [15:48:42] | sphery: | That's it... |
| [15:48:48] | sphery: | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/ |
| [15:49:10] | sphery: | Adobe says, "If you want 64-bit Flash, finish the 64-bit version of Tamarin." |
| [15:49:10] | PsychoI3oy: | but that's only cause ff3/source hasn't made it to non-~amd64 yet |
| [15:49:16] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:49:22] | PsychoI3oy: | adobe sucks |
| [15:49:25] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:49:29] | PsychoI3oy: | hell, flash sucks |
| [15:49:29] | sphery: | proprietary code sucks |
| [15:49:39] | PsychoI3oy: | macromedia sucked just as bad |
| [15:49:41] | sphery: | (I don't enable Flash on my 32-bit machines because it crashed FF) |
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| [15:49:51] | PsychoI3oy: | i have crashes every once in a while |
| [15:49:52] | sphery: | s/crashed/crashes |
| [15:50:11] | sphery: | I like to start FF when I return from a business trip and run it for a couple of weeks without restarting. |
| [15:50:22] | sphery: | Always have several windows with "currently in use" tabs. |
| [15:50:23] | PsychoI3oy: | i tend to tell hulu to pop into a bigger window (less CPU than fullscreen) and closing it as the end credits roll tends to crash ff |
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| [15:51:49] | PsychoI3oy: | anywho |
| [15:52:05] | PsychoI3oy: | i think i'mma go back to my friday morning TV and Beer consuming ritual |
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| [15:52:16] | PsychoI3oy: | it's been fun though |
| [15:52:34] | PsychoI3oy: | first time i've been in here and not had flack for a bttv card |
| [15:52:35] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:52:49] | sphery: | lol |
| [15:52:51] | sphery: | enjoy TV. |
| [15:53:00] | PsychoI3oy: | thanks to mythtv, I am |
| [15:53:05] | PsychoI3oy: | livesaver, that program |
| [15:53:07] | sphery: | try out 1.25x and get 25% more TV! |
| [15:53:11] | PsychoI3oy: | heh |
| [15:53:17] | PsychoI3oy: | see above about the beer |
| [15:53:24] | sphery: | oh, yeah. |
| [15:53:27] | sphery: | may not mix well |
| [15:53:29] | PsychoI3oy: | i'm more likely to get stuff at 75% speed |
| [15:53:30] | PsychoI3oy: | hehe |
| [15:53:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | In that case, he'll probably have to do .80x |
| [15:53:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^ exactcly... ;-) |
| [15:53:44] | PsychoI3oy: | not like pinks is a huge mental tax |
| [15:54:03] | PsychoI3oy: | though 11th hour and LoM might be |
| [15:54:09] | PsychoI3oy: | already watched last night's CSI at work |
| [15:54:39] | PsychoI3oy: | ah well, thanks for the conversation all the same |
| [15:54:49] | PsychoI3oy: | and confirming that comcast is crap |
| [15:54:58] | PsychoI3oy: | not that I needed conformation of that, heh |
| [15:55:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work referrs to them as "CumCast" ;-) ** | |
| [15:55:29] | PsychoI3oy: | I consider myself getting bonus points for the anagram for Comscat |
| [15:55:53] | PsychoI3oy: | Comcrap was my previous moniker |
| [15:56:20] | ** justinh curses the netherlanders for keeping info to themselves, then remembers what a hive of unmentionable topics they talk about ** | |
| [15:57:17] | iamlindoro_: | All of which start with DVB or end with ng |
| [15:57:52] | justinh: | like NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG why this no work? |
| [15:59:04] | iamlindoro_: | They probably have 100% socialized cable systems, so maybe it's morally OK there |
| [15:59:15] | justinh: | me, I'd also have to break certain rules to use mythtv with dvb-c.. so I don't use dvb-c |
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| [15:59:42] | justinh: | doesn't alter the fact it sucks though |
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| [16:05:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wow, I used to recommend antennaweb.org to see what you can get for OTA HD in the us... looks like I'm switching to www.tvfool.now — much more detailed info... ;-) |
| [16:05:54] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, indeed |
| [16:05:56] | sid3windr: | .now is a tlv? :/ |
| [16:05:58] | sid3windr: | *tld |
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| [16:06:17] | PsychoI3oy: | i started with antennaweb but the guys on avsforums go by tvfool |
| [16:06:51] | PsychoI3oy: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=798265 this thread, in case you're interested |
| [16:06:58] | PsychoI3oy: | i've read the whole thing |
| [16:07:07] | PsychoI3oy: | lots of great antenna info |
| [16:07:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: I get 14 channels pointed at Boston, 22 if you count the sub-channels. According to this, I can get lots more... (I even have a rotor and a full VHF/UHF antenna ready to go on the roof...) |
| [16:08:02] | PsychoI3oy: | the 'youtube' method they mention is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw |
| [16:08:29] | PsychoI3oy: | but definitely start reading the thread before you start making the antenna in the video |
| [16:08:38] | PsychoI3oy: | lots of tips n tricks to make it better |
| [16:10:33] | JEDIDIAH_: | bttv card? You're lucky you didn't kill someone. |
| [16:10:37] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...mortal laughter. |
| [16:11:07] | JEDIDIAH_: | the dutch doing the forbidden... |
| [16:11:23] | PsychoI3oy: | JEDIDIAH_, it's served me well the past 2 years |
| [16:11:30] | JEDIDIAH_: | isn't that like tourism marketing bulletpoint? |
| [16:11:43] | ** JEDIDIAH_ had a bttv card 10 years ago. ** | |
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| [16:11:51] | PsychoI3oy: | i bought it cause it was the most recommended/supported card in v4l at the time |
| [16:12:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work had a bttv card 15 years ago... DOH! ** | |
| [16:12:07] | JEDIDIAH_: | 2 years ago? You gotta be kidding? |
| [16:12:24] | PsychoI3oy: | and hey, $30 for a card to convert my desktop into free tivo? |
| [16:12:34] | PsychoI3oy: | JEDIDIAH_, according to teh googlez |
| [16:12:41] | JEDIDIAH_: | at least hard drives got larger... |
| [16:12:46] | JEDIDIAH_: | did you check any of the dates? |
| [16:12:56] | PsychoI3oy: | i must not have |
| [16:13:07] | PsychoI3oy: | i don't remember, 2 years ago was a long time |
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| [16:14:02] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...I was up all night figuring out why the 879 wasn't working with the bttv driver. |
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| [16:15:03] | JEDIDIAH_: | er... 878 |
| [16:16:28] | JEDIDIAH_: | its a shame everything isn't as well documented. |
| [16:16:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: without a reflector, is that omnidirectional? |
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| [16:17:43] | PsychoI3oy: | the only issue i've had with it in the years I've had it is the recent kernel updates, and the patch in the bug report for bttv -> v4l2 worked for me |
| [16:17:48] | PsychoI3oy: | J-e-f-f-A|work, no, bidrectional |
| [16:17:59] | PsychoI3oy: | somewhere in that thread is a gain map of it |
| [16:18:15] | PsychoI3oy: | big in back, big in front, not so much on the sides |
| [16:18:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Would it make sense to make two of them and put them 90 degrees apart, and join them with a splitter, or would that produce interference? |
| [16:19:03] | PsychoI3oy: | IIRC it's been discussed in the thread |
| [16:19:13] | PsychoI3oy: | you'd have to have them seperated by a bit to get that to work |
| [16:19:32] | PsychoI3oy: | but then you'd have a quaddirectional ? antenna |
| [16:19:58] | PsychoI3oy: | antennas in close proximity modify eachother's reception patterns |
| [16:20:49] | ** PsychoI3oy learned most of what he knows about RF antennas from that thread ** | |
| [16:21:08] | PsychoI3oy: | I knew a smidgen from wlan applications before |
| [16:21:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: yeah, that's what I figured. ;-) Just like the aluminum siding on my house plays tricks with an antenna in the attic. (that's why I moved it to the roof, 10x better) |
| [16:21:19] | PsychoI3oy: | but that thread goes DEEP into the UHF theory |
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| [16:21:29] | PsychoI3oy: | oh, definitely |
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| [16:22:06] | PsychoI3oy: | just like the antenna works on my patio pointed at the apartment next door because the aluminum siding bends the RF around the building |
| [16:22:20] | PsychoI3oy: | (Yagi antennas work on the bending principle) |
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| [16:22:46] | PsychoI3oy: | if you've got trees in the way, aim at the top of the trees instead of through them |
| [16:22:55] | PsychoI3oy: | RF is funky stuff |
| [16:23:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Really? Humm... ;-) Interesting.... I've got pretty good signal now, not quite line-of-site due to trees, I'll experiment with aiming it higher... (just kept a horizonal plane now...) |
| [16:24:09] | PsychoI3oy: | though, for TV (horizontally polarized), having 2 antennas mounted verticallly at 90 degree angles might not modify your gain pattern too much |
| [16:24:42] | PsychoI3oy: | i.e. two antennas on the same pole, one below the other |
| [16:25:00] | PsychoI3oy: | it'd still modify the gain pattern but i'm not sure how |
| [16:25:22] | PsychoI3oy: | I installed 4nec2 in wine but never figured it out enough to model my version of the antenna |
| [16:25:31] | PsychoI3oy: | it's a complicated program |
| [16:25:38] | PsychoI3oy: | it's a complicated sicence |
| [16:26:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Humm... gee, Seperate fixed antennas with an electronic switcbox similar to satellite switching could be an option... ;-) |
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| [16:27:05] | PsychoI3oy: | you've got a bunch of captures, just set the recordings to prefer different inputs |
| [16:27:19] | PsychoI3oy: | hook up 2 antennas to 2 cards |
| [16:27:39] | PsychoI3oy: | though that'd probably leave you with a lot on one card (the antenna you have now) and not much on the other |
| [16:27:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yeah, that could work, but then you wouldn't have 2 recordings from tehs ame source. |
| [16:27:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Right. |
| [16:28:33] | PsychoI3oy: | I'd read through the thread over the weekend and if you don't find your info or figure it out, ask at the end |
| [16:29:06] | PsychoI3oy: | like i said, 2 antennas at 90degrees will modify your gain pattern, but I'm not sure how |
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| [16:29:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | PsychoI3oy: Cool. ;-) ttyl. I don't know if I'll get to it this weekend, but I'll take a look at it again soon. ;-) |
| [16:29:36] | PsychoI3oy: | lots and lots of useful info |
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| [18:05:46] | ldd2: | Anyone know if there is any player that allows to play 2 tracks at the same time (on different audio hardware) ? |
| [18:05:57] | ldd2: | Say a USB sound card + an internal one... |
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| [18:08:19] | Dagmar: | Two things... |
| [18:08:27] | Dagmar: | 1. That's entirely off-topic for here |
| [18:08:45] | Dagmar: | 2. ALSA lets you route sound to just about any individual speaker on any individual device you want |
| [18:08:57] | Dagmar: | So... 3. It's trivial to write to separate audio device |
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| [18:11:12] | ldd2: | This is off topic but this is a good place to find the answer. |
| [18:11:22] | ldd2: | I havent found any better channel. |
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| [18:12:00] | ldd2: | I'm dont really know ALSA, but I want to be able to play a movie and have an audio track in one language being output on one device, and in another language on another device |
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| [18:16:14] | anykey_: | hm, I'm having problems connecting my TV to the HDMI output of my HTPC: I extracted the exact modeline from the xorg logfile (it all works on HDMI2 input), but now xorg says: "(II) intel(0): Not using mode "1920x1080_tv" (height too large for virtual size)"... any idea? |
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| [18:23:17] | GlemSom: | As I told you guys about yesterday... I did that really dump mistake by hooking up the FAN connector on the graphicscard to my mainboard SPDIF header...After that 've tried getting spdif to work – but with no luck.. I even installed Windows... I don't even get a light in the optical spdif connector... So – I guess i fried the entire spdif system :( lesson... do _NOT_ hook up a FAN connector to a SPDIF connector! |
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| [18:25:41] | Shadow__X: | hello everybody |
| [18:26:12] | Shadow__X: | i have my media mounted in the same spot on the master front end and a slave frontend |
| [18:26:19] | Shadow__X: | but in the slave frontend |
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| [18:26:34] | shiftplusone: | Hello, I am having trouble grabbing xmltv data for Australia... is there someone here who could help me? |
| [18:26:36] | Shadow__X: | media doesnt come up |
| [18:27:41] | sphery: | Shadow__X: usually a permissions issue--often due to having different UID's/GID's on different systems (i.e. NFS uses uid/gid to identify users, not usernames) |
| [18:27:54] | Shadow__X: | i am using nfs right now |
| [18:28:02] | Shadow__X: | hmm so should i change the uid |
| [18:28:09] | sphery: | use the program id to check uid on both systems |
| [18:28:22] | Shadow__X: | or how would i go about that sphery |
| [18:28:29] | sphery: | just type (as the user): id<Enter> |
| [18:29:22] | Shadow__X: | uid and gid is the same |
| [18:29:25] | sphery: | So, if you have the files on the the "master" front end owned by mythtv user, log into that frontend as mythtv and type id |
| [18:29:26] | Shadow__X: | same as groups as well |
| [18:29:42] | sphery: | do you have "all_squash" set |
| [18:29:43] | Shadow__X: | same uid on both machines |
| [18:29:47] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [18:29:49] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [18:30:06] | Shadow__X: | do i have to set that |
| [18:30:18] | sphery: | no, if you use all_squash, it will break permissions handling |
| [18:30:34] | sphery: | (i.e. all remote users will be treated as nobody, so only world permissions will apply) |
| [18:30:58] | sphery: | btw, that's in /etc/exports --might be worth checking to see if it's specified there |
| [18:31:04] | Shadow__X: | i have rw,no_root_squad,async |
| [18:31:06] | Shadow__X: | thats it |
| [18:31:07] | ** iamlindoro_ throws C++ at the wall and stab himself in the eyeballs ** | |
| [18:31:08] | sphery: | also, if you're running the frontend as root, root_squash would do the same |
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| [18:31:40] | sphery: | so, that should be fine (other than the security implications of no_root_squash ;) |
| [18:31:50] | jams: | iamlindoro- carefule, sometimes the book will bounce back and inflict more damage |
| [18:32:00] | ** sphery considers cooking the acorn squash in his refrigerator for dinner tonight ** | |
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| [18:32:11] | Shadow__X: | sphery, i am not running anything as root |
| [18:32:50] | sphery: | are there any errors in the frontend log file ? |
| [18:32:54] | Shadow__X: | what are the security implications |
| [18:33:39] | Shadow__X: | i dont see any errors in log |
| [18:34:49] | sphery: | anyone who can successfully mount the NFS share (which--at worst--typically only requires setting up a machine with the authorized machine's IP address) can mess with any file they want on the NFS share. Sharing the root filesystem (or any "important" portion of it) with no_root_squash makes cracking a system a breeze. |
| [18:35:22] | Shadow__X: | oh thats nice |
| [18:35:27] | Shadow__X: | maybe i should read before i do |
| [18:35:40] | Shadow__X: | atleast i only allowed it to a certain ip horrible nonetheless |
| [18:35:44] | Shadow__X: | whats a better option then |
| [18:35:56] | sphery: | then again, chances are your network is "reasonably secure" and is unlikely to be a "high priority" target |
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| [18:36:18] | sphery: | Best option is to not use NFS. :) |
| [18:36:33] | Dagmar: | s/makes cracking a system a breeze/is a monumentally fucking stupid thing to do/; |
| [18:36:55] | Dagmar: | NFS == No Filesystem Security |
| [18:37:01] | sphery: | Exactly. |
| [18:37:02] | Dagmar: | Don't share sensitive files over NFS ever. |
| [18:37:04] | Shadow__X: | ah |
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| [18:37:13] | Shadow__X: | so what would be smarter to use to hsare |
| [18:37:15] | sphery: | If it's just your TV files, probably no big deal. |
| [18:37:29] | shiftplusone: | Hello, where can I see the data MythTV tries to use for the tv guide (the xmltv file or something)? |
| [18:37:35] | ** iamlindoro_ smacks curly brackets in the face ** | |
| [18:37:43] | Dagmar: | I think I still might be able to write spoofing code using a combination of perl and bash script to compromise any unencrypted/vlanned NFS share if I have local network access |
| [18:37:46] | iamlindoro_: | This is what I get for trying to improve things |
| [18:37:47] | shiftplusone: | I think I've set everything up, but the tv guide doesn't show anything. |
| [18:38:00] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro_ dont worry ya got it |
| [18:38:01] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [18:38:15] | sphery: | I have all my TV recordings local to my 2 different backends without an NFS share in sight. My MythVideo/MythMusic/MythGallery/... files are local to my one frontend. With multiple frontends, that doesn't work so well, though. |
| [18:38:24] | iamlindoro_: | I appreciate your confidence and thank you, but I promise you it is entirely unwarranted |
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| [18:38:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [OT rant]... Stupid ISD group — my email quit working 2 hrs ago, sent them an email via my personal acct and received "Your email is being migrated to a new server, sorry, we forgot to send out a message"... wtf???? |
| [18:39:13] | sphery: | I've considered using NFS4 w/GSSAPI (I have Kerberos already in use on my network), but I don't think that will even work for the level of security I prefer. |
| [18:39:39] | Shadow__X: | sphery sounds like i should use something better |
| [18:39:46] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: For similar reasons, I no longer have a hosting provider (and now do my own hosting) |
| [18:40:24] | sphery: | Though I never send myself e-mail messages to say I'm mod'ing the e-mail server, I've never been surprised by any of the changes I've made to the e-mail server, so it works. |
| [18:40:54] | andreas_: | i considered the gssapi/kerberos thing as overkill. |
| [18:41:10] | Shadow__X: | what would be better to share than using nfs then |
| [18:41:16] | andreas_: | it's just some tv recordings, after all |
| [18:41:41] | sphery: | Shadow__X: NFS is really not that bad as long as you don't share important files (or important portions of filesystems). You may want to enable root_squash, but doing so means that root will be nobody and won't be able to just override permissions on files through the share. You may have to ssh to the system that contains the filesystem. |
| [18:41:41] | Shadow__X: | for more important info |
| [18:42:04] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [18:43:18] | sphery: | So, Shadow__X where are the files? The absolute path is identical on both systems? |
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| [18:47:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: ... and now that I've updated Outlook to use the new exchange server, the 3 messages I had sitting in my "outbox" are now gone... (and they're not in my "Sent Items")... so I've got to re-type them... |
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| [18:48:26] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work really despises microsloth... ugh!!! ** | |
| [18:48:46] | jduggan: | fail |
| [18:48:47] | jduggan: | =] |
| [18:49:57] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: gotta love e-mail in general. Used to work well about 10 years ago, but anymore, I don't trust it. |
| [18:53:04] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah there are in the same path on both comps |
| [18:53:25] | sphery: | network issues? |
| [18:53:35] | sphery: | latency from slow wireless connection or something? |
| [18:53:46] | Shadow__X: | Gigabit |
| [18:53:53] | sphery: | should be sufficient ;) |
| [18:54:10] | Shadow__X: | can watch videos and transfer to it fine |
| [18:54:23] | Shadow__X: | but the menu in the slave frontned still doesnt show up for media |
| [18:54:35] | sphery: | missing a menu entry? |
| [18:54:45] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [18:54:47] | sphery: | versus actual files not playing through MythVideo |
| [18:54:55] | Shadow__X: | missing menu entry |
| [18:55:30] | sphery: | Oh, that's typically caused by a) not having the MythVideo plugin installed, b) having an incorrect version of the MythVideo plugin installed |
| [18:55:53] | sphery: | c) having a broken MythVideo plugin install |
| [18:56:04] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [18:56:25] | Shadow__X: | so me failing to be an intelligent mythtv user |
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| [19:10:44] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, snapstream is discontinuing their "BeyondMedia" software, which is more or less their MythVideo/Music/Weather/etc... their PVR is going to be TV only from now on. |
| [19:11:43] | jams: | thats strange, wonder why |
| [19:12:54] | iamlindoro_: | Dunno... their CEO gave an interview last year saying more or less that they would be focusing on their Corporate DVR stuff from now on, and I guess they hadn't updated that software in ages anyway |
| [19:15:44] | Dagmar: | They're probably focusing on hardware/appliance sales because of the lower rate of piracy. |
| [19:15:49] | Dagmar: | Wonder why there's so many pirates. |
| [19:15:50] | Dagmar: | Hehe |
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| [19:19:04] | ** sphery thought that the decrease in the number of pirates was the cause of global warming ** | |
| [19:19:21] | sphery: | if there are a lot of pirates, shouldn't that mean global warming won't happen? |
| [19:20:01] | sphery: | (for those who think I'm crazy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti . . . obal_warming ) |
| [19:20:45] | Dagmar: | Think? |
| [19:20:46] | Dagmar: | Know. |
| [19:20:50] | sphery: | lol |
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| [19:41:32] | kayos: | hi folks, I could use some help configuring a fresh install of mythtv |
| [19:41:52] | kayos: | I have no idea what to tell it in mythtv-setup |
| [19:41:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kayos: Just give it a slap or two, it'll straighten out. |
| [19:42:16] | kayos: | That tactic met with limited success |
| [19:43:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kayos: have you already looked at http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall ? |
| [19:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | But enough of J-e-f-f-A|work's marital tactics |
| [19:44:24] | kayos: | I select my language, it says no upnp backends found, I click ok, and I assume localhost is a suitable address |
| [19:45:08] | kayos: | The port is a matter of question, what's the default? |
| [19:45:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kayos: yep, for a single system, combined Frontend/Backend, yes. |
| [19:45:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I believe the latest version you leave it blank to default. |
| [19:45:30] | kayos: | ok |
| [19:45:58] | kayos: | The database name mythconverg is right? |
| [19:46:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yeah, just leave all that default. |
| [19:47:01] | kayos: | For the user, root, or the user I am logged in as? |
| [19:47:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Port: 6543 Status port: 6544 |
| [19:47:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kayos: Leve it as "mythtv" that's for the mysql database – you really should be looking at the documentation or following a guide, it's all in there... |
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| [19:48:18] | kayos: | ubuntu is not very forthcoming about the location of that guide |
| [19:49:02] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work linked you to it about 10 lines ago |
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| [19:49:25] | kayos: | I'll have to read that, it keeps telling me it can't log in. |
| [19:50:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kayos: 1st hit on a google of "Ubuntu Mythtv guide" : http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php ... |
| [19:51:11] | kayos: | yeah that's the guide that skips the step I'm having trouble with |
| [19:52:53] | iamlindoro_: | kayos: just for fun, run this |
| [19:52:54] | justinh: | oh ffs not that bloody guide again |
| [19:53:02] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql |
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| [19:53:27] | iamlindoro_: | and tell me if it is already installed |
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| [19:53:58] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: You're local, go tell that guy to take that freaking thing down finally |
| [19:53:59] | kayos: | already the newest version |
| [19:54:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: I would have pointed to Jarod's guide, but he's running Ubunto... ;-) And Jarod's guide is FC and a little bit out of date! ;-) |
| [19:54:37] | kayos: | This is ubuntu 8.10 if that info helps |
| [19:54:58] | ** justinh points towards the ubuntu community documentation about mythtv ** | |
| [19:55:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ;-) |
| [19:55:24] | kayos: | ew, ubuntu docs are almost never correct |
| [19:55:36] | directhex: | and random blogs are? |
| [19:55:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I think that might have been justinh's point... ;-) |
| [19:56:11] | kayos: | More often than ubuntu docs, but I didn't go to any random blogs |
| [19:56:39] | iamlindoro_: | Soo... no docs at all it is, then? |
| [19:56:59] | kayos: | I came here toask, because ostenibly that would be what this channel is for |
| [19:57:07] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks this is another case of "clicked through the DB info popups whilst apt-get installing mythtv" ** | |
| [19:57:20] | iamlindoro_: | this channel is as a fallback after you have thoroughly read all available official docs |
| [19:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | as are most non-ubuntu-specific IRC channels |
| [19:57:40] | kayos: | The docs that skop the info I need |
| [19:57:51] | kayos: | skip* |
| [19:57:56] | iamlindoro_: | kayos: The official docs do *not* chip the info in quetion |
| [19:58:00] | iamlindoro_: | er skip |
| [19:58:47] | kayos: | prove it |
| [19:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | huh? It's not my responsibility to prove that you can't read, you're doing a fine job of it yourself. |
| [19:59:29] | iamlindoro_: | nor do I have to prove anything to you-- the official docs contain all the info needed to install myth, case closed. |
| [19:59:41] | kayos: | Um, the fact that I'm responding to statements made in text proves that I can genious |
| [19:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | That would be "genius," Rhodes Scholar. |
| [20:00:32] | kayos: | Sounds like a bunch of lazy cop-out-rather-than-help people to me |
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| [20:00:45] | iamlindoro_: | Must be. Don't let us delay you further, then. |
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| [20:01:42] | GreyFoxx: | wtf |
| [20:02:09] | JEDIDIAH_: | if you're running a modern distro, installing mythtv is a one liner. |
| [20:02:25] | JEDIDIAH_: | building the beast is another matter... |
| [20:03:34] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. That part is doable in five. |
| [20:03:51] | iamlindoro_: | (or one if you cheat and use &&) |
| [20:04:17] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...depends. |
| [20:04:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yikes, I tried to help, but when he started asking about every single setting, jeeze READ THE DOCUMENTATION! |
| [20:04:56] | JEDIDIAH_: | dependencies aren't always so simple. although even simple general purpose heuristics will help for that a lot of the time. |
| [20:05:16] | iamlindoro_: | satisfying deps on Ubuntu is a single line |
| [20:05:32] | JEDIDIAH_: | not for trunk |
| [20:05:54] | iamlindoro_: | still doable in two for trunk |
| [20:06:20] | JEDIDIAH_: | I'll have to spend time looking into that one... |
| [20:06:26] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins |
| [20:06:37] | JEDIDIAH_: | that won't quite do it for trunk |
| [20:06:38] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-sql-mysql |
| [20:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | done |
| [20:06:50] | iamlindoro_: | two lines |
| [20:07:01] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/gl_gallery_18658.png and http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/qt_gallery_18658.png taken right now of the same screen with the two painters |
| [20:07:03] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [20:08:42] | JEDIDIAH_: | what's the deal with all the white borders? |
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| [20:08:57] | trumee: | guys, is it possible to pause TV when a call comes in through mythphone |
| [20:09:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: — hehe... I like "Burn Notice" ;-) |
| [20:09:07] | JEDIDIAH_: | setting a "transparent color" like white might not be a bad idea... |
| [20:09:51] | GreyFoxx: | j-e: heh |
| [20:10:45] | GreyFoxx: | Jed: The images actually container the white. I have alternates without those borders, I just haven't deleted the old ones |
| [20:11:03] | GreyFoxx: | s/container/contain |
| [20:11:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: I accidentially power-failed my system last-night and was pleasantly suprised it came up so easily and quickly using Storage Groups — with the Raid5 it would have been a several-hour ordeal usually... |
| [20:11:32] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...sure GF. I was just thinking that with places like Amazon having cover images with white borders that it might be a good idea to make the white part transparent and possibly automatically cropped. |
| [20:12:09] | GreyFoxx: | Jed: I got those ones originally from Amazon actually. But I've since written and app to auto grab it all and hsould just delete those ones |
| [20:12:58] | JEDIDIAH_: | ...and autocropper wouldn't be a bad idea either... I will have to look into that. script-fu and gimp mebbe. |
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| [20:15:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: As long as it didn't get confused with 'Burn Notice" or "Chuck" – to take some examples from GreyFoxx's screen grab... |
| [20:16:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: What's the number in black, the number of videos in that directory? |
| [20:16:27] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yup |
| [20:16:31] | GreyFoxx: | number of files/folders in that directory |
| [20:16:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Cool. ;-) |
| [20:16:35] | GreyFoxx: | feature in trunk |
| [20:18:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | It'd be great if you could outline the number in white... ;-) But I'm sure you guys are already working on something like that. ;-) |
| [20:18:10] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [20:18:19] | GreyFoxx: | It'll be clearly visible |
| [20:18:25] | GreyFoxx: | gbee is anyway ;) |
| [20:18:44] | justinh: | and I will be too |
| [20:19:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Looks good! ;-) |
| [20:19:51] | GreyFoxx: | Lots of mythui stuff going on write now, and the leftovers from the QT30>qt4 stuff are being removed |
| [20:19:58] | GreyFoxx: | and hopefully soon affmpegsync |
| [20:20:08] | GreyFoxx: | 0.22 should be quite nifty |
| [20:20:54] | GreyFoxx: | No more "prescaling images" at startup hehe |
| [20:21:07] | justinh: | 0.22 will be getting a super spiffy version of glass-wide |
| [20:21:17] | justinh: | assuming I finish it in time |
| [20:21:26] | GreyFoxx: | Justin: Gonna the the curved/circular list once gbee puts it in ?:) |
| [20:21:40] | justinh: | blootube-wide will get that yeah |
| [20:21:46] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna take a poke at the OSD font loading thing this weekend |
| [20:21:50] | justinh: | and a bit of a revamp |
| [20:22:06] | GreyFoxx: | doh, gotta run and pick up the little one from daycare. later |
| [20:22:15] | justinh: | have fun |
| [20:22:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: Now THAT would be nice... One of the themes in 0.21 pre-scales 3 times on my box (forget which one)... 10 secs the 1st time, 20 the 2nd time, and 40 the 3rd time, despite having the cache set to 10... |
| [20:25:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work orders "Burn Notice Season 1" from amazon.com, inspired by GreyFoxx ... ;-) ** | |
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| [20:36:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work leaves for the weekend --- YEAH!!! ;-) ** | |
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| [21:25:38] | break_free: | is there a way I can connect over my network from an ubuntu laptop to my mythtv box? |
| [21:25:43] | break_free: | to play videos |
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| [21:35:53] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [21:36:03] | mattwj2002: | what do you think of this for a graphics card |
| [21:36:05] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121240 |
| [21:36:08] | mattwj2002: | for my mythtv box |
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| [21:37:32] | kormoc: | mattwj2002, I just got a MSI version of the same card, works great |
| [21:38:16] | mattwj2002: | cool |
| [21:38:26] | mattwj2002: | it is a fairly new card.... |
| [21:38:41] | mattwj2002: | it has component out (that is the best input for my best tv) |
| [21:38:56] | mattwj2002: | it is inexpensive and has not fan....seems perfect |
| [21:43:39] | stoth: | amazing, 22.99 for a fairly decent graphics card. |
| [21:43:49] | iamlindoro_: | CUDA capable, even |
| [21:45:50] | stoth: | iamlindoro_: I puchased a firewire sniffer for debugging this firewire linux issue I'm having, I hope to resolve the issue (which works fine on a mac) and improve the myth experience for STB's. |
| [21:46:09] | iamlindoro_: | stoth: Wow, purchased?? Hope that didn't cost you to much, but that would be awesome |
| [21:46:13] | iamlindoro_: | er too much |
| [21:46:27] | stoth: | awesome if I can fix a few things with it, yes. |
| [21:46:49] | stoth: | otherwise it's another excuse for my wife to give me 'the look' |
| [21:46:53] | iamlindoro_: | hahah |
| [21:47:16] | sid3windr: | so um, what does such a beast cost? :) |
| [21:47:20] | iamlindoro_: | "Baby, just think of all the things I can do around the house with a firewire sniffer!" |
| [21:47:25] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... just doesn't work |
| [21:47:55] | mattwj2002: | hey that graphics card doesn't support XvMC |
| [21:47:56] | ** sid3windr has the card mentioned above in one of his frontends, works great ** | |
| [21:47:57] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [21:48:22] | iamlindoro_: | mattwj2002, none of the last few generations do |
| [21:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | if you have a PCIe capable system, you don't need the minute speed offload that XvMc gives you anyway |
| [21:48:50] | iamlindoro_: | It's barely any help, and has more disadvantages than it's worth |
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| [21:48:51] | kormoc: | mattwj2002, so? what PCI-E capable mobo needs XvMC? |
| [21:49:31] | mattwj2002: | I guess your right |
| [21:49:47] | mattwj2002: | I have an AMD X2 5000+ chip |
| [21:50:33] | stoth: | iamlindoro_: It's a long story, but the answer is to get the right firewire bridge from TI. It so happens that apple used to ship them in their G3 macs, with a nice SDK also, so they're shipping for $100–150 on ebay if you know what you're buying. Otherwise a firewire analyzer is >$5k |
| [21:51:30] | stoth: | I tried to rent one, $3.5k per month |
| [21:51:34] | iamlindoro_: | yowch |
| [21:51:37] | stoth: | yeah |
| [21:53:20] | iamlindoro_: | I'll be very curious to see what you come up with |
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| [22:12:28] | wolfspirit: | is there anyway to map a button press that is universal like with irexec? I want my green and blue buttons to be an F5 and F7 for all of my emulators.. is there a way to do this outside of making separate lirc config files for every program? |
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| [22:17:29] | fryfrog: | you can put multiple entries for programs in one lircrc file |
| [22:17:30] | kormoc: | wolfspirit, irxevent I believe |
| [22:17:42] | fryfrog: | like i have mplayer, xine and myth (and irexec) all in one |
| [22:17:48] | fryfrog: | and why not use irexec? |
| [22:18:05] | kormoc: | irexec spawns keypresses? |
| [22:18:40] | fryfrog: | i don't know, does it? |
| [22:18:47] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [22:18:49] | fryfrog: | i gotcha |
| [22:18:53] | fryfrog: | it runs commands |
| [22:19:07] | fryfrog: | i wonder if there is a "press <key>" program :) |
| [22:19:53] | sphery: | xtrapin |
| [22:20:15] | wolfspirit: | yeah that's why I said like irexec.. it just runs programs.. I need key presses |
| [22:20:18] | sphery: | example (but moving mouse, rather than pressing buttons): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 |
| [22:20:40] | sphery: | easy enough to use xtrap to record a button press then play it back |
| [22:21:20] | sphery: | use xtrapout -e to record, then xtrapin to play back |
| [22:22:07] | sphery: | may be easier with xtrapchar if you're doing a single keypress |
| [22:22:37] | sphery: | but, really, irxevent is probably easier/what you want |
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| [22:25:10] | wolfspirit: | yeah looks like it |
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| [22:36:34] | JEDIDIAH_: | sounds cool |
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| [22:54:03] | LiNERROR: | are there any highly recommended dual or multi-tuner cards? |
| [22:55:13] | justinh: | multi? ROFL |
| [22:55:32] | justinh: | avoid hybrid cards if you can.. they're as good as useless for dual tuner use |
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| [22:56:51] | wolfspirit: | <sigh> looks like irxevent only worked in one of emulators |
| [22:57:09] | wolfspirit: | I'll just walk over to the damn keyboard and hit F5 if I have to lol |
| [22:57:17] | ** wolfspirit being lazy ** | |
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| [23:00:14] | Dagmar: | One day people will stop being lazy assholes and actually research these questions, or at least look at the wiki. |
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| [23:01:06] | wolfspirit: | then there would be no need for the chatroom :P |
| [23:01:18] | Dagmar: | No, there's plenty of _actual_ problems for the channel. |
| [23:01:31] | Dagmar: | It's just that "I'm too damn lazy to look things up for myself" isn't one of them. |
| [23:02:15] | wolfspirit: | just because something is not your problem doesn't make it a valid problem.. besides.. I didn't say I was lazy about the question.. I meant I was lazy about walking to the damn keyboard and hitting F5 to save my game |
| [23:02:32] | Dagmar: | I wasn't talking about your keyboard. |
| [23:02:51] | wolfspirit: | ok... |
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| [23:15:55] | orkid_: | hmm, how come ./configure --disable-backend does not disable the backend building? :S |
| [23:16:00] | orkid_: | (from svn) |
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| [23:19:40] | Anduin: | orkid_: because certain people used it (there was a comment with the commit and on in configure) |
| [23:20:47] | Anduin: | orkid_: it wasn't really going to save you that much time |
| [23:21:33] | orkid_: | ok |
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