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| [00:00:18] | wagnerrp: | in which case the only additional redundancy you get is that the parity disk can fail without the array going critical |
| [00:00:22] | fryfrog: | no, just the same parity data for a stripe. |
| [00:00:34] | wagnerrp: | of course in raid5, it doesnt even get you that |
| [00:01:43] | fryfrog: | http://www.scottklarr.com/topic/23/how-raid-5-really-works/ |
| [00:01:45] | wagnerrp: | basically, you can solve one equation for one unknown. period. thats basic algebra. |
| [00:01:50] | fryfrog: | good description of how the xor works |
| [00:02:04] | wagnerrp: | if you have no solved another equation, and gotten another result, you cannot possibly solve for another unknown |
| [00:02:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning when that second disk goes down, youre SOL |
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| [00:02:43] | wagnerrp: | youre just providing redundancy on the result from the first equation, mirroring |
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| [00:08:06] | fryfrog: | i think i'm a little too stingy for raid6. i'm perfectly happy with a single disk worth of lost space, but two disks worth of lost space is pushing it :) |
| [00:08:23] | fryfrog: | i'd probably sing a different tune if i'd ever lost 2 drives at once. |
| [00:08:25] | wagnerrp: | what size are your disks? |
| [00:08:37] | fryfrog: | 8x 320G |
| [00:09:04] | fryfrog: | if i ever did raid6, it'd be when i "upgrade" to what ever the sweet spot is |
| [00:09:06] | wagnerrp: | so theyre... $60 a pop, with probably $1000 total in the machine |
| [00:09:12] | fryfrog: | and now, that'd be 1TBs :) |
| [00:09:25] | fryfrog: | yeah, 320s i'd not notice |
| [00:09:32] | fryfrog: | but i'm all out of drive bays in my case :( |
| [00:09:47] | fryfrog: | unless i get some cool (but pretty expensive) 5.25" bay hotswap tray thing |
| [00:09:55] | wagnerrp: | recently ive been getting 750s at $90 |
| [00:10:02] | fryfrog: | nice price |
| [00:10:08] | wagnerrp: | roughly the same price as the 1.5s |
| [00:10:11] | fryfrog: | seagates? |
| [00:10:20] | wagnerrp: | assorted |
| [00:10:32] | wagnerrp: | i try not to buy more than one drive out of the same lot |
| [00:10:33] | fryfrog: | 750s and 1.5s can't have the same price / gig, can they? |
| [00:10:45] | wagnerrp: | the 1.5s were around $190 |
| [00:10:53] | fryfrog: | wow, that is pretty damn close |
| [00:11:06] | fryfrog: | if you didn't already have an array full of 750s, it'd be worth it. |
| [00:11:09] | wagnerrp: | the 750s go up to ~120 |
| [00:11:17] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [00:11:37] | wagnerrp: | i plan on adding another two 750s to this array before scrapping it and switching to 1.5s or 2.0s |
| [00:11:56] | fryfrog: | how many disks now (and will it hold?)? |
| [00:12:47] | wagnerrp: | the card hold 12. right now, the case holds 9, until i get around to replacing a faulty hotswap bay |
| [00:13:32] | fryfrog: | nice, is that all built into the case or do you have some of those 5 in 2 5.25 bay things? |
| [00:13:33] | wagnerrp: | the bay works fine, but the power leveling is funky. if i insert or remove a drive, the whole caddy (3 drives) goes offline temporarily |
| [00:13:37] | wagnerrp: | bad shit happens |
| [00:13:37] | fryfrog: | or is it 5 in 3? |
| [00:13:42] | wagnerrp: | 3 in 2 |
| [00:13:55] | fryfrog: | are they verticle in that arrangment? |
| [00:14:05] | wagnerrp: | horizontal |
| [00:14:34] | fryfrog: | ah, so there is a bit of room on the sides? |
| [00:14:43] | wagnerrp: | you cant fit a 3.5" drive vertically in 2 5.25" bays |
| [00:14:49] | fryfrog: | yeah, i didn't think so |
| [00:15:01] | fryfrog: | but i think they have 5x 3 |
| [00:15:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, on the sides it has individual power buttons |
| [00:15:19] | wagnerrp: | the 4 in 3s are horizontal as well |
| [00:15:25] | wagnerrp: | 5 in 3s are vertical |
| [00:15:28] | fryfrog: | ha, individual power buttons! nice |
| [00:15:44] | wagnerrp: | you can also get 5 in 2s for 2.5" SAS drives |
| [00:15:58] | fryfrog: | that'd be a little rich for my blood :) |
| [00:16:16] | fryfrog: | my case has 8 bays broken into 2x 4s, but they aren't hotswap at all |
| [00:16:24] | fryfrog: | (there is a hotswap addong thing though) |
| [00:16:43] | wagnerrp: | 8 5.25" or 3.5"? |
| [00:16:45] | fryfrog: | i put the 2 system drives 1 each in the 2 extra 5.25 |
| [00:16:52] | fryfrog: | just 8 3.5 |
| [00:17:17] | wagnerrp: | ah, mine actually only has 5 bays |
| [00:17:25] | fryfrog: | i like the design, the disks have a 1/8" or 1/4" gap between each one, isolated on little bit of rubber stud sort of things |
| [00:17:32] | fryfrog: | with a 120mm fan behind each group of 4 |
| [00:17:44] | fryfrog: | and a slot for an 80 or 60mm (i forget which) in front |
| [00:17:53] | wagnerrp: | 3.5", floppy, and 5.25" on one side. 4x3.5" and 10x5.25" on the other |
| [00:18:06] | fryfrog: | krikey, 10 2.5s! |
| [00:18:09] | fryfrog: | is it a double wide? |
| [00:18:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its a big monster |
| [00:18:35] | wagnerrp: | codegen S-201 |
| [00:19:27] | fryfrog: | jesus, you could use it for a coffee table :p |
| [00:19:37] | fryfrog: | do you have a couple of those 3 in 2s? |
| [00:19:51] | wagnerrp: | i do sometimes use it for additional desk space |
| [00:20:05] | fryfrog: | I've seen some big cases like that designed to hold two motherboards, i'd love to have one of those |
| [00:20:17] | wagnerrp: | not sure the purpose of that |
| [00:20:21] | fryfrog: | not that it gains you anything over 2 seperate cases though |
| [00:20:27] | fryfrog: | but it'd still be awesome :) |
| [00:21:46] | fryfrog: | you got redundant psus going in it? |
| [00:22:29] | wagnerrp: | i have no use for that kind of thing |
| [00:22:40] | wagnerrp: | rather... i have no use for $500 of that kind of thing |
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| [00:28:05] | fryfrog: | yeah, i agree. |
| [00:28:21] | fryfrog: | if my server goes down, i can suffer the few hours to a day it'd take to goto frys and get a new PSU :) |
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| [01:11:22] | incaman: | hey there |
| [01:12:33] | incaman: | anyone know of a good resource for a frontend/backend out of the box solution for MythTV? |
| [01:13:33] | incaman: | or some list of hardware for a system that will be super quiet and low power that supports HD and optical sound out? |
| [01:14:00] | fryfrog: | hardware is changing all the time, i don't think something like that would be very accurate for long :/ |
| [01:14:21] | wagnerrp: | plenty of answers to be found on the wiki |
| [01:14:47] | wagnerrp: | theres a couple of vendors, Pluto is the only one i can think of off hand |
| [01:14:47] | dashcloud: | HD as in hardware-accelerated HD? |
| [01:14:55] | fryfrog: | yeah, you can find suggestions and examples of people using a CPU or what ever for a certain situation |
| [01:15:05] | wagnerrp: | theres no such thing as linux hardware accelerated HD at the moment |
| [01:15:24] | wagnerrp: | but you can find a processor that will work just as well for most purposes |
| [01:15:36] | wagnerrp: | the suggested proc is a Core2Duo |
| [01:16:00] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use an HDPVR, something better than 2.5GHz is suggested |
| [01:16:14] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is single sliced, meaning single threaded decoding |
| [01:16:37] | wagnerrp: | anything else, 2GHz C2D would probably be sufficient |
| [01:16:45] | dec_ is now known as dec | |
| [01:16:56] | wagnerrp: | get an nvidia card |
| [01:17:11] | wagnerrp: | onboard 6-series or better would be ideal |
| [01:17:12] | fryfrog: | yeah, that part is at least easy :) |
| [01:17:37] | fryfrog: | does the 8 or 9 series have any issues in linux these days? |
| [01:17:37] | wagnerrp: | you can usually find one of the later series with DVI/HDMI and optical output |
| [01:17:58] | wagnerrp: | alsa can be configured to encode to AC3 on-the-fly for surround optical output |
| [01:18:01] | dashcloud: | other than the 8xxx series dying pre-maturely? not that I'm aware of |
| [01:18:16] | fryfrog: | spiffy |
| [01:18:45] | wagnerrp: | spend some money on a nice case, spend some money on a nice power supply, spend some money on a nice big heatsink and throttle down the fan |
| [01:19:04] | wagnerrp: | get a motherboard with passive heatpipe-based cooling |
| [01:19:14] | fryfrog: | there are even some *BIG* heatsinks that are passive, heatpipe based |
| [01:19:32] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: well you need airflow to come from somewhere |
| [01:19:40] | dashcloud: | there's a fairly convincing rumor that AMD's going to support hardware decoding in an upcoming FGLRX release |
| [01:19:57] | fryfrog: | yarp, perhaps a big (slowish) 120mm case fan or so |
| [01:20:12] | wagnerrp: | stick that next to your TV with at most a boot drive |
| [01:20:23] | wagnerrp: | now go get a WHOLE OTHER COMPUTER |
| [01:20:34] | fryfrog: | CF boot device! |
| [01:20:36] | fryfrog: | yay! |
| [01:20:46] | wagnerrp: | throw whatever garbage hardware you want in there, with a bunch of hard drives and tuner cards |
| [01:20:48] | fryfrog: | just try and avoid logging and swap, if possible |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | and hide it out of sight and out of hearing range |
| [01:21:51] | wagnerrp: | or do what iamlindoro has recently done |
| [01:22:20] | wagnerrp: | put your big noisy backend on the opposite side of the wall holding your TV/projector, and run video/audio/IR into your viewing room |
| [01:25:42] | wagnerrp: | did he ask a question and then leave the computer? |
| [01:28:13] | sphery: | I put my 2 Myth backends and 1 frontend in another room. The frontend is the biggest, ugliest system in my house, and I don't care. |
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| [01:42:58] | incaman: | oh no |
| [01:43:06] | incaman: | I am paying attention :) |
| [01:43:11] | incaman: | I was just cooking |
| [01:43:13] | incaman: | ha ha |
| [01:43:25] | incaman: | dude, these are all great suggestions |
| [01:44:01] | mchou: | what are you cooking? Is it a tasy inca dish? |
| [01:44:07] | incaman: | ha ha |
| [01:44:10] | incaman: | actually |
| [01:44:13] | incaman: | yes |
| [01:44:34] | tuxd00d: | I just noticed there are 15 instances of mythbackend running and a 16th with mythcommflag running under it. Are the other 15 not suppose to be there? |
| [01:44:34] | mchou: | does it involve virgin sacrifice? |
| [01:44:35] | wagnerrp: | basically, most suggestions about making a quiet mythtv setup revolve around moving the hard drives (and usually the tuners as well) out of the living room |
| [01:44:54] | incaman: | ah |
| [01:44:55] | wagnerrp: | there should be one instance of mythbackend running |
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| [01:45:10] | wagnerrp: | get rid of those, and you can make something small |
| [01:45:15] | tuxd00d: | two of them are using ~ 30% of cpu, while the others are 0% |
| [01:45:18] | wagnerrp: | then its just a matter of getting enough airflow through |
| [01:45:21] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:46:01] | tuxd00d: | My family likes the hum of our machines, it's comforting |
| [01:46:03] | incaman: | and after moving the TV out of the room, can I stream the stuff to the TV through wireless |
| [01:46:12] | incaman: | or do I need it wired |
| [01:46:16] | tuxd00d: | wired is better |
| [01:46:25] | wagnerrp: | wired is much better |
| [01:46:36] | fryfrog: | tuxd00d: if you are viewing mythweb, a mythbackend process gets spawned off to create the thumbs. |
| [01:46:36] | tuxd00d: | wireless can received interference, phones, microwaves, etc |
| [01:46:41] | wagnerrp: | SD can be done wireless, with the possibility of issues |
| [01:46:46] | wagnerrp: | HD doesnt have a chance |
| [01:47:07] | fryfrog: | whaa??? |
| [01:47:18] | fryfrog: | HD does have a fairly decent chance |
| [01:47:39] | fryfrog: | ~19mbit or so for MPEG2 HD |
| [01:47:54] | fryfrog: | of course you don't get the full 54mbit... and if someone turns on the micro-wave you are toast... |
| [01:48:00] | wagnerrp: | and ~22mbit practical throughput for 802.11g |
| [01:48:09] | tuxd00d: | fryfrog: I haven't opened mythweb since restarting the backend machine, are they started with apache? |
| [01:48:11] | fryfrog: | and there is always that "N" thing |
| [01:48:24] | tuxd00d: | fryfrog: or just when we open mythweb |
| [01:48:30] | incaman: | I have an "N" thing, too :) |
| [01:48:35] | fryfrog: | tuxd00d: i believe apache requests thumbs, then the backend makes them. |
| [01:48:50] | fryfrog: | i'd say wireless is worth a try, but don't bet the farm on it. |
| [01:48:58] | tuxd00d: | fryfrog: but that only makes one instance of mythbackend, not 10? |
| [01:49:01] | fryfrog: | and *especially* don't expect to do more than 1 or 2 via wireless. |
| [01:49:33] | fryfrog: | tuxd00d: no idea, but i have seen more than one backend process on my box (it made me investigate why) |
| [01:49:40] | fryfrog: | it might have only been *one* extra, i don't recall |
| [01:49:45] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: the bigger issue is that wireless is not reliable |
| [01:49:49] | incaman: | so wanting to do a low noise all in one solution is just dreaming, then? :) |
| [01:49:55] | fryfrog: | true |
| [01:50:04] | fryfrog: | incaman: no, it is quite easy |
| [01:50:12] | fryfrog: | as long as you don't mind seperating your FE from your BE |
| [01:50:21] | JoshBorke: | incaman: i'd say my configuration is low noise for me |
| [01:50:23] | wagnerrp: | incaman: (for the most part) i have a quiet all-in-one |
| [01:50:26] | fryfrog: | and quiet parts often have a bit of a price premium |
| [01:50:43] | wagnerrp: | but i also have a big ATX full tower sitting next to my TV |
| [01:50:58] | fryfrog: | that honker is sitting next to your TV?? |
| [01:51:07] | wagnerrp: | no, that honker is under my desk |
| [01:51:13] | wagnerrp: | i have a P180 next to my TV |
| [01:51:19] | tuxd00d: | fryfrog: thanks |
| [01:51:40] | JoshBorke: | i have a full ATX sitting behind my TV stand that is a core2quad + stock hsf |
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| [01:51:48] | JoshBorke: | it's quiet enough for me |
| [01:52:01] | incaman: | ha ha |
| [01:52:05] | incaman: | define quiet in db :) |
| [01:52:12] | JoshBorke: | i can't hear it even with the tv off |
| [01:52:12] | incaman: | ballpark |
| [01:52:17] | JoshBorke: | no clue |
| [01:52:22] | wagnerrp: | the db of less than the TV |
| [01:52:23] | JoshBorke: | i could never understand all that db stuff :D |
| [01:52:56] | wagnerrp: | if you stick with the stock heatsink, the best you can hope for is that the TV drowns out the noise |
| [01:53:02] | incaman: | OK, maybe in terms of PS3 noise ratio |
| [01:53:08] | incaman: | as noisy as a PS3? :) |
| [01:53:09] | wagnerrp: | which it probably will |
| [01:53:30] | JoshBorke: | a little quieter than my ps3 |
| [01:53:59] | incaman: | ok |
| [01:54:09] | incaman: | the ps3 is super quiet for me :) |
| [01:54:11] | JoshBorke: | then again, i'm a poor college student who's used to having his computer in his bedroom running all the time |
| [01:54:58] | JoshBorke: | as long as my wife dosn't complain about the noise of the PC i'm happy |
| [01:55:49] | wagnerrp: | ever heard the term WAF? |
| [01:55:57] | incaman: | let me recheck the hardware specs you guys gave me |
| [01:55:59] | tuxd00d: | JoshBorke: My wife can't live without Myth |
| [01:56:04] | incaman: | I am writing all of this down :) |
| [01:56:27] | tuxd00d: | JoshBorke: or the noise, she likes it, when the power goes out, it's erie. |
| [01:56:50] | tuxd00d: | JoshBorke: after it's been out for a couple of hours and exhausted the UPS's |
| [01:56:54] | JoshBorke: | wagnerrp: no i haven't, but googling for it it passes muster |
| [01:56:54] | wagnerrp: | i used to have my desktop in my room |
| [01:57:02] | incaman: | so what HD tuner card do you guys recommend? |
| [01:57:08] | wagnerrp: | one night, the power went out, everything was quiet |
| [01:57:11] | JoshBorke: | tuxd00d: when my pc was in my room and i turned it off it was very eerie |
| [01:57:14] | wagnerrp: | the silence woke me up |
| [01:57:18] | JoshBorke: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [01:57:31] | JoshBorke: | incaman: there are a lot of recommendations on the wiki |
| [01:57:39] | wagnerrp: | incaman: all digital tuners are created equal |
| [01:57:48] | JoshBorke: | incaman: sadly i didn't follow any of them because i bought my tuners before deciding to go with myth |
| [01:57:49] | wagnerrp: | as long as you receive a signal, you get full quality |
| [01:57:59] | tuxd00d: | wagnerrp: I'm with you, it's hard to sleep when it's that quiet |
| [01:58:00] | wagnerrp: | so just grab any you find that has linux support |
| [01:58:12] | mchou: | wagnerrp: all digital tuners are not created equal |
| [01:58:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah... you complain about the pickup on the 1600 |
| [01:58:34] | wagnerrp: | i say you got a bad tuner |
| [01:58:41] | mchou: | wagnerrp: no it has nothing to do with 1600 |
| [01:59:25] | mchou: | samsung has made at least 5 generations of tuners |
| [01:59:35] | tuxd00d: | I'm about to undertake a project... setting up the WinTV remote (Not using the WinTV card, as I am using a PVR-500 already, and the WinTV is a bit too taxing) |
| [01:59:43] | mchou: | each generation surpassing the prior |
| [01:59:59] | wagnerrp: | and the video quality on each is identical |
| [02:00:00] | tuxd00d: | (not using the card for capturing, just for the remote) |
| [02:00:05] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:00:15] | wagnerrp: | one just changes channels slightly faster, or picks up from a higher noise floor |
| [02:00:22] | mchou: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [02:00:40] | mchou: | wagnerrp: you never heard of multipath? |
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| [02:01:26] | mchou: | wagnerrp: there aint no such thing as created equal. |
| [02:01:34] | mchou: | stop spouting such BS |
| [02:01:35] | wagnerrp: | so the new ones add support for out-of-phase transmissions? |
| [02:02:05] | mchou: | no, it's called multipath rejection |
| [02:02:20] | incaman: | what about the Silicondust HDHomeRun? |
| [02:02:44] | mchou: | incaman: all thumbs up |
| [02:03:07] | mchou: | incaman: that's a pretty good choice |
| [02:03:36] | mchou: | although I have to say the tuners and modulators on that are a bit long in the tooth |
| [02:04:44] | incaman: | ? |
| [02:05:08] | fryfrog: | he means it is old |
| [02:05:10] | mchou: | incaman: just get HDHR. you wont regret it |
| [02:07:08] | incaman: | ah |
| [02:07:08] | incaman: | ok |
| [02:09:53] | incaman: | Well, honestly, all I want is a nice quiet DVR |
| [02:10:12] | incaman: | and I don't mind spending around $900 for one |
| [02:10:18] | incaman: | as long as it is quiet |
| [02:10:38] | mchou: | $900?? has the US dollar fallent that much? |
| [02:10:39] | incaman: | and I don't have to run wires across rooms :p |
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| [02:17:29] | hatchmt: | I'm not sure what I did, but I'm not getting any sound over my spdif anymore. When I try to run regular PCM through the spdif, I get this from mythfrontend: |
| [02:19:05] | hatchmt: | NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(spdif): No such file or directory |
| [02:19:22] | hatchmt: | similar error when trying to pass through ac3: |
| [02:19:38] | hatchmt: | NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }): Invalid argument |
| [02:20:01] | hatchmt: | any ALSA experts out there that would have an idea of where to even start in figuring this out? |
| [02:20:42] | hatchmt: | the spdif device shows up in aplay -l, and alsamixer has the iec958 output unmuted as always |
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| [02:21:27] | hatchmt: | same behavior with/without pulseaudio |
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| [02:30:53] | mkrufky: | - 11/ |
| [02:31:49] | mkrufky: | oops |
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| [02:46:06] | Kichigai: | Hi all. I'm having some minor issues with MySQL, as I'm trying to configure it to allow my laptop to be a frontend |
| [02:46:25] | Kichigai: | As I understand it, I need to add my laptop to the list of bind-address entries, right? |
| [02:47:09] | Kichigai: | Well, it's failing to bind... period |
| [02:47:35] | dashcloud: | hi, if I'm using the experimental flash video part of mythweb, is the video re-generated each time you view it? |
| [02:47:54] | GreyFoxx: | I think it is |
| [02:48:04] | dashcloud: | okay |
| [02:48:11] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: you've read this? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . kills-bobcat |
| [02:48:25] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: not the most reliable, but a monkey wrench if true |
| [02:48:49] | GreyFoxx: | :( I hope not |
| [02:49:13] | Kichigai: | I'm assuming no one can help me with my MySQL issue right now? |
| [02:49:50] | wagnerrp: | bobcat was the replacement for the Geode line? |
| [02:49:58] | GreyFoxx: | Kic: No, you do not add the remote box to the bind list |
| [02:50:20] | Kichigai: | GreyFoxx, Oh. What am I supposed to do? |
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| [02:51:15] | wolfspirit: | hello.. I'm trying to figure out how to lock a resolution to mythtv so when I exit an emulator that had a different resolution, mythtv would reset itself back to the default screen resolution.. any ideas? |
| [02:51:35] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv/resetvideo.sh is what I use to use |
| [02:52:05] | GreyFoxx: | I add it to my emulator commandlines with ; |
| [02:52:27] | GreyFoxx: | Kich: Make sure the BindAddress is something reachable from the other mchine |
| [02:52:36] | GreyFoxx: | and then do a mysql grant command to grant permissions to the other machine |
| [02:52:51] | Kichigai: | GreyFoxx, Oh, so the machine's actual network address, not 127.0.0.1, got it. |
| [02:52:58] | GreyFoxx: | Kich: Yeah |
| [02:53:08] | GreyFoxx: | I just comment that out entirely myself |
| [02:53:40] | GreyFoxx: | wolf: The one I run on my flatscreenuses the xrandr command to reset to 1360x768 |
| [02:54:01] | GreyFoxx: | was the only consistant way I could find to make it happen since a lot of the emulators don't properly reset things |
| [02:55:05] | Lexridge: | Anyone remember the discussion Friday night about running multiple instances of mythtv on one computer? Well, It apparently can work, and I'm doing it. :) I'm now able to view both my backend tuner cards on one frontend with dual monitors. Sweet!!! |
| [02:55:25] | fryfrog: | Lexridge: neat :) |
| [02:55:25] | GreyFoxx: | Lex: I do it on my main frontend as well |
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| [02:55:36] | GreyFoxx: | 1 feeding my flatscreen, and another feeds the projector |
| [02:55:47] | Lexridge: | GreyFoxx: what do you do about audio levels? |
| [02:55:49] | GreyFoxx: | 2 video cards, seperate instances of mythfrontend |
| [02:55:57] | fryfrog: | do you just give each "frontend" on the same host a unique hostname with --options? |
| [02:56:17] | Lexridge: | I have one video card with three outputs (two DVI and one SVHS) |
| [02:56:22] | GreyFoxx: | Lex: Nothing |
| [02:56:28] | GreyFoxx: | Fry: Yup |
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| [02:56:38] | fryfrog: | that sounds cool |
| [02:56:41] | wolfspirit: | GreyFoxx: that works somewhat but it keeps forcing it to go to 1280x1024 instead of 1280x800 even though I set it to 1280x800 in your resetvideo switch (btw, great idea) |
| [02:56:44] | GreyFoxx: | Fry: I have 2 seperate users that launche their own instances of X + mythfrontend |
| [02:56:51] | fryfrog: | is it a beefy system, able to do two mkv HD streams? |
| [02:56:52] | Lexridge: | So far, I cannot figure out how to select which audio source I want on which speakers. |
| [02:56:56] | GreyFoxx: | Fry: yes |
| [02:57:04] | fryfrog: | monstrous :) |
| [02:57:08] | Lexridge: | humm, I doing this as the same user, and X session. |
| [02:57:18] | Kichigai: | GreyFoxx, Awesome, that fixed it right now. |
| [02:57:37] | Lexridge: | by launching mythfrontend like this: DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend and DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend |
| [02:57:40] | GreyFoxx: | and I have a hack so that the 1 MCE IR receiver can work with 2 instances of mythfe so I have 2 remotes controlling the seperate Fe's with the one reciever and instance of lircd |
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| [02:58:19] | Lexridge: | GreyFoxx, I have no lircd working yet. Not that it doesn't, just not correctly for my needs. |
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| [02:58:54] | GreyFoxx: | I'm adding a 3rd frontend to the same machine soon |
| [02:59:08] | GreyFoxx: | with a PCI fx5200 and a PCI SBLive feeding that one |
| [02:59:22] | Lexridge: | what about the audio? I cannot even control the volume with the keyboard...never have been able to. |
| [02:59:44] | GreyFoxx: | lex: What about audio? |
| [02:59:44] | Lexridge: | The volume control works visually, but not aurally. |
| [02:59:54] | GreyFoxx: | Never had any problems with that |
| [03:00:02] | GreyFoxx: | using ALSA with the right mixer set of course |
| [03:00:30] | Lexridge: | Okay, lemme explain: When using myth on both monitors, I get both audio sources mixed. How can I seperate them? |
| [03:00:45] | GreyFoxx: | 2 sound cards |
| [03:00:50] | GreyFoxx: | how else would you do it ? |
| [03:01:10] | fryfrog: | magic? :) |
| [03:01:13] | Lexridge: | I have an eight I/O card. Should be able to do it with this (M-Audio Delta 1010) |
| [03:01:22] | Lexridge: | I have an eight I/O SOUND card. Should be able to do it with this (M-Audio Delta 1010) |
| [03:01:39] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was video myself |
| [03:02:13] | Lexridge: | Thought someone might.....that's why I had to correct my statement. ;) |
| [03:02:50] | Lexridge: | I guess I need to build some custom ALSA devices, and make frontend use them |
| [03:03:08] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [03:03:28] | Lexridge: | I also use jack with myth from time to time....that *might* be a better option. |
| [03:03:53] | Lexridge: | then I can control all the levels with my envy24control mixer. |
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| [03:04:12] | clev: | Lexridge: could you use jack to create a false 4 channel card, and route it out a pair of 2 channel cards? |
| [03:04:36] | Lexridge: | clev: that's kinda what I was thinking. :) |
| [03:04:41] | clev: | ahh:) |
| [03:05:10] | clev: | ive allready got 2 cards in my main frontend, was using 1 for the tvout and 1 for the desktop |
| [03:05:33] | Lexridge: | However, with jack, I can route to any of the 8 mono I/Os. This could get really interesting, and complicated as well. |
| [03:05:34] | clev: | and my winblows box has a special card, it can use linein as a rear out, and mic as woofer+center |
| [03:06:06] | Lexridge: | clev: yea, my MB can do that too when booted into windows....which I have not done in over a year. |
| [03:06:12] | fryfrog: | clev: that is how most onboard audio works now-a-days |
| [03:06:25] | Lexridge: | See, I also have MB 5.1 as well......too many possibilities. |
| [03:06:25] | fryfrog: | even in linux, with alsa for the most part (though i think it is generally a manual toggle) |
| [03:06:33] | clev: | guess i havent gotten a new system in a while |
| [03:07:04] | Lexridge: | clev: mine is 3 years old this month. Hell, I'm still running FC6 for christ's sake!! LOL |
| [03:07:16] | clev: | i have a pci card in my dads pc with a ton of jacks, i think it has 5.1 out and multiple in's |
| [03:07:32] | clev: | it took an hour of trial&error to get mythbackend to capture anything for my frame grabber |
| [03:07:49] | clev: | and even then the audio sounds like shit, and spills out the PCM playback which i need to mute |
| [03:07:55] | fryfrog: | due to having no clue which of 10 jacks was "line in"? |
| [03:08:07] | clev: | fryfrog: that was also a problem:P |
| [03:08:11] | Lexridge: | fryfrog: yea, been there, done that. |
| [03:08:21] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [03:08:24] | clev: | i grabed a mp3 player and fed audio into every input:P |
| [03:08:28] | clev: | at the same time |
| [03:08:46] | Lexridge: | clev: great idea. I have been looking for a tone generator....DOH!!!!! LOL |
| [03:09:07] | clev: | but its weird, that i have to have the audio loopback feeding into playback(and towards the speaker out) for it to capture anything |
| [03:09:33] | clev: | which i then stop by muting PCM out |
| [03:09:42] | Lexridge: | clev: it sounds to weird for me to even visualize. ;) |
| [03:09:57] | clev: | the #alsa guys couldnt even get the thing to capture |
| [03:10:15] | clev: | all they did was get me a noise level graph in arecord, which helped speed up the trial&error |
| [03:10:41] | Lexridge: | I've not had much luck with the ALSA guys myself. They are obviously brilliant, just not great with people skills. |
| [03:11:17] | clev: | i watched them solve alot of hda problems, which looked odd because hda is a harddrive device node:P |
| [03:11:37] | clev: | then i got a laptop with that card, and it didnt work:P(easily fixed though just a modprobe option) |
| [03:12:24] | Lexridge: | humm, I'm having serious audio glitching when using mythfrontend through jack. |
| [03:12:55] | Lexridge: | dropouts and distortion. strange! |
| [03:13:14] | Lexridge: | and lots of xruns too. |
| [03:13:31] | Lexridge: | and that is only ONE instance of myth |
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| [03:16:24] | AlNahar: | are there any plans for myth's mixer to work with oss4? |
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| [03:18:16] | Lexridge: | is oss4 not backwards compatible? |
| [03:18:33] | AlNahar: | Lexridge: i can use mythtv, i just can't make mythtv be able to control my mixer devices |
| [03:18:40] | AlNahar: | so i can't mute, etc |
| [03:19:47] | wagnerrp: | reprogram the remote to use the mute on the TV/receiver? |
| [03:19:48] | Lexridge: | alnahar: I believe that all depends on what type of tuner card you have. With my hardware mpeg encoder cards PVR150 and an HVR1600, I cannot control the audio except with my alsa mixer or my envy24control mixer. |
| [03:19:59] | AlNahar: | i have pvr-150mce |
| [03:21:08] | Lexridge: | I would be interested if this is possible as well, per an earlier conversation.....but I have my doubts it can work with any PVR150 or (mce) |
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| [03:37:02] | clev: | wagnerrp: something i thought of for tv control, use irexec to tie a button on the remote, to a ir blast for the tv's power signal |
| [03:37:14] | clev: | you could do similar stuff to control the tv's volume |
| [03:37:24] | clev: | but it would need a ir blaster just for the tv |
| [03:37:35] | wagnerrp: | or... a programmable remote |
| [03:37:59] | clev: | yeah, the remote for my cable box can control the 'cable box' while the volume keys use the 'tv' codes |
| [03:38:13] | clev: | then you simply need to set the 'cable' mode to something mythtv can pick up |
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| [03:39:42] | keith4_: | why does my terminal fill up with "2008-10–05 23:38:58.809 audio stream changed"? like 20 times per second |
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| [03:54:56] | hadees: | There is a long delay between keypresses on my rf keyboard and when mythtv does anything about them, I thought it might have just been the theme I was using, MePo, but even when changing it to the default theme its gotten a little faster but there is still a delay |
| [03:55:20] | wagnerrp: | theres no delay if youre just typing text into a terminal? |
| [03:55:34] | hadees: | I am using trunk, and not using opengl, also there is no delay doing normal operations |
| [03:55:55] | hadees: | and i can even kill the x server with control-alt-backspace instantlly |
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| [03:56:54] | clev: | hadees: try a normal keyboard for a min to see if the rf has anything to do with it |
| [03:58:49] | clev: | bbl |
| [03:58:51] | hadees: | clev, just as bad |
| [03:59:02] | clev: | thats all i can think of |
| [04:00:44] | Lexridge: | hadees: how much cpu is your x server using |
| [04:00:55] | Lexridge: | when myth is running, that is. |
| [04:01:42] | hadees: | like 70 |
| [04:01:52] | Lexridge: | 70%? |
| [04:02:18] | Lexridge: | are you using the nvidia driver? |
| [04:02:30] | hadees: | yeah |
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| [04:04:18] | Lexridge: | I had a similar problem. Try adding this lines to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf under the device section: Option "RenderAccel" "on" and Option "UseEvents" "on" |
| [04:04:56] | Lexridge: | then restart X with a ctl+alt+backspace |
| [04:07:01] | hadees: | Lexridge, damn you were right, thanks that was driving me crazy |
| [04:07:28] | Lexridge: | I was told to do this my dagmar weeks ago.....just passing it on. :) |
| [04:08:05] | Lexridge: | I was told to do this by dagmar weeks ago.....just passing it on. :) |
| [04:09:08] | Lexridge: | hadees: I would be curious to know if you have random X lockups. My reduced considerably after adding these lines to xorg.conf, but I still have the lockup occassionally. |
| [04:09:47] | Lexridge: | especially when running Firefox while running mythfrontend. |
| [04:10:21] | Lexridge: | Anyway, I'm happy your problem is fixed. :) |
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| [04:16:56] | hadees: | Lexridge, i did just get one |
| [04:17:16] | hadees: | also i don't have the preview movies anymore when going through the recordings |
| [04:17:21] | hadees: | not even an image |
| [04:18:03] | Lexridge: | humm, bummer. not sure about the preview movies, I apparently don't use that feature. |
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| [04:41:35] | RyeBrye: | anyone here using JACK for audio stuff? |
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| [04:41:50] | Sulx: | yea |
| [04:42:23] | RyeBrye: | do you have a realtime kernel? |
| [04:43:26] | Sulx: | what do you mean by that? |
| [04:44:05] | RyeBrye: | JACK has options for tying into a realtime kernel, right? |
| [04:44:18] | RyeBrye: | I was just wondering if you were using that option or not |
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| [04:45:40] | Sulx: | ah..haven't needed that |
| [04:46:19] | Sulx: | I just record bass guitar with jack + ardour...so one mono input only |
| [04:46:29] | RyeBrye: | gotcha |
| [04:46:39] | RyeBrye: | so you have it installed because you use it for recording? |
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| [04:53:57] | Mikk: | Yes! It's time for it again! The question that probably 2 3rds of all newbies ask when they pop into the channel! :) |
| [04:54:06] | Mikk: | - What dvb-t card/dongle/whatnot should I be getting? (I live in Sweden if it makes a difference.) I've been browsing the wikis and massaging google, but all I'm really finding is vague out-dated info on things that MIGHT work... but without any real weighing if it's good or not. |
| [04:54:30] | Mikk: | So, yeah... I figure like all other communities, there's gonna be a few choice picks that just don't make it out on wikis and whatnot.. hilfe pl0x :) |
| [04:55:29] | Mikk: | Wishlist would include: dual receivers, CA support, nicely working remote... but I probably won't get all of that in one will I :S |
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| [05:01:15] | Wicked: | hmm on some of the hd channels it wont switch aspect ratios...i get black bars on the left and right. |
| [05:02:50] | Mikk: | are things actually out of aspect though, or is it just the bars? they do broadcast 4:3 content too yaknow :P |
| [05:03:11] | Mikk: | (i.e. are wheels round or oval?) |
| [05:04:20] | Wicked: | umm |
| [05:04:30] | Wicked: | hmm. its fox on comcast HD |
| [05:04:39] | Wicked: | and i have a widescreen monitor |
| [05:05:03] | Wicked: | also on the cable box in the options i have set it to picture mode "zoom" |
| [05:06:07] | Wicked: | im pretty sure it should be in widescreen format |
| [05:07:08] | Lexridge: | ryebrye: I use jack with a rt kernel as well, mainly for recording with qtractor or ardour. |
| [05:07:31] | Lexridge: | ryebrye: I would like to use jack with myth, but having issues with ti. |
| [05:07:46] | Mikk: | that still does not change the fact that there's widescreen transmissions with 4:3 content in it |
| [05:08:08] | Mikk: | i.e. you hardware receives widescreen content ... that happens to have black bars to the right and left |
| [05:08:28] | Mikk: | so... are things stretchy or normal? =) |
| [05:10:31] | Wicked: | they look normal when there is the black bars on the sides. |
| [05:10:39] | Wicked: | but other channels dont have these black bars |
| [05:11:25] | Lexridge: | the black bars are generally inserted by the down conversion, aren't they? |
| [05:12:56] | RyeBrye: | You can tell myth to zoom in the same way you can in your cable box |
| [05:13:09] | RyeBrye: | if you prefer to look at a cropped image, that is certainly your choice |
| [05:13:28] | Mikk: | Aye, but when they transmit content with black bars, it's usually because there's useful things at the top and bottom .... which you'd simply not see if you zoomed it. |
| [05:13:44] | Lexridge: | ...and zoom=less quality. |
| [05:13:52] | Mikk: | Some video is simply not available in widescreen. Fact of life. |
| [05:13:55] | RyeBrye: | They don't transmit it with black bars, afaik – they just transmit the content and set the aspect ratio |
| [05:14:05] | Mikk: | Oho, my bad then. |
| [05:14:06] | Lexridge: | exactly! |
| [05:14:13] | RyeBrye: | Although – a few channels, I suppose, DO actually put the bars on it in my local area |
| [05:14:45] | Lexridge: | in SD, the bars are inserted at the top and bottom, which occupies pixels, and hence, resolution. |
| [05:14:51] | RyeBrye: | there was one that put gray bars on the side and upscaled everything to 720p |
| [05:14:57] | Mikk: | Or you could froggify people by hacking the aspect ratio. Some people prefer frog people and oval circles as long as it's omgwide. |
| [05:14:58] | RyeBrye: | the gray bars were really annoying |
| [05:15:33] | Lexridge: | I like how ESPNHD inserts their logo on the left/right sides when it goes to SD. |
| [05:15:50] | RyeBrye: | the today show does that kind of thing too in the morning |
| [05:15:56] | RyeBrye: | they have some filler graphics on the sides |
| [05:16:02] | Mikk: | Thank god noone does that here >.< |
| [05:17:01] | Mikk: | So er I guess the reason noone's saying squat about my dvb-t question is because most europeans aren't awake yet eh.. |
| [05:17:19] | ** Mikk did point out he was a nub to the channel ** | |
| [05:18:01] | Lexridge: | unforch, there are thousands of programs out there that simply cannot be converted to 16x9, so black bars on the L/R will be here a long time. |
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| [05:18:58] | RyeBrye: | I always thought it would be cool if Myth could put something interesting in the black bar space on 4:3 content |
| [05:19:05] | Mikk: | Usually, the telltale sign if your hardware/software does the right thing even though the content is 4:3, is when it goes 16x9 in commercials |
| [05:19:47] | Lexridge: | I would think the opposite...most commerials during HD programming are in SD, with black bars L/R. |
| [05:20:07] | Mikk: | Whoups? That's certainly not the case over here. |
| [05:20:32] | Lexridge: | Well, I live in a rural area of the US. |
| [05:20:39] | ** Mikk lives in europe ** | |
| [05:20:46] | Mikk: | Whooooole different story with DVB |
| [05:21:00] | Lexridge: | Europeans are way ahead of the US when it comes to HD programming. |
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| [05:21:49] | Mikk: | My my. Only 7 in the morning and I've learned something new already. |
| [05:22:03] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:22:40] | Mikk: | Speaking of nothing... pinnacle is basically == hauppage, no? |
| [05:22:55] | Lexridge: | I hope not! Pinnacle sucks!!! |
| [05:23:13] | Lexridge: | they probably use the connexiant (sp?) chipset. |
| [05:23:30] | Mikk: | oh, my bad then |
| [05:24:11] | Lexridge: | Just guessing, but I don't think hauppage is big enough to be a part of pinnacle...Pinnacle is a broadcast company, first and foremost....big dollars. |
| [05:24:27] | Mikk: | I was reading http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7771 |
| [05:24:43] | Lexridge: | Pinnacle Charactor Generators start at around $30K. |
| [05:24:44] | Mikk: | "Hauppauge is finally making available under its own brand the twin-tuner digital terrestrial TV USB stick that we saw at September's IFA show in Berlin and which is already on sale for Macs as the £100 Elgato EyeTV Diversity and for Windows as the £90 Pinnacle PCTV Dual DVB-T Diversity Stick." |
| [05:25:08] | Lexridge: | humm, interesting! |
| [05:25:39] | Mikk: | Maybe only that one got oemd then. |
| [05:25:53] | Lexridge: | Only a few pinnacle devices are supported under v4l, where many hauppage devices are supported. Dunno! |
| [05:26:29] | Mikk: | Or maybe they're having bastard children in general where dvb is concerned |
| [05:26:52] | Lexridge: | that could be as well ;) |
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| [05:27:39] | Lexridge: | I demod a Pinnacle CG about 6 years ago, and the support we got from them, with a DEMO us terribly bad. |
| [05:28:02] | Lexridge: | was terribly bad, that is. |
| [05:28:59] | Lexridge: | We also had a Pinnacle broadcast editing system, and the support was lousy on that system as well. Nothing like we would expect from Sierra or GVG or even DPS. |
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| [05:30:05] | Mikk: | You will excuse me if I do not care one iota about the broadcasting side of things :P |
| [05:30:28] | Lexridge: | I forgive you :) |
| [05:31:00] | Lexridge: | but tech support is tech support. I'm almost certain the same clowns support both consumer and broadcast. |
| [05:31:16] | Mikk: | Tier 1 support is likely to be the same set of clowns yeah |
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| [05:31:41] | Mikk: | Not that they'd be able to answer a single question about linux anyway |
| [05:31:42] | Lexridge: | mikk: well, they just answer the phone differently. ;) |
| [05:33:27] | Lexridge: | We bought a Pinnacle editing system, that was "guaranteed" to upgradable to Win2k....Nope, they never released a Win2K driver for it, so we were stuck with WinNT 4...UGH!!! |
| [05:33:34] | Mikk: | Joy |
| [05:33:59] | Lexridge: | We replaced that system with a G4 and FCP. |
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| [05:34:39] | Lexridge: | ....and quite literally, though the IBM Pinnacle system in the dumpster! |
| [05:35:15] | Mikk: | On an unrelated note... questions having to do with nice-looking dvb cards that do not have a CAM, and using a separate reader, strays into a territory not welcome in this channel, am i right? |
| [05:36:20] | Mikk: | (As in same PC & everything.. nothing network) |
| [05:37:47] | Lexridge: | not sure what you getting at, but mythbackend and mythfrontend can be run on the same machine. what is "CAM"? |
| [05:38:04] | Mikk: | I guess I'm better off asking europeans that question |
| [05:38:24] | Mikk: | Conditional Access Module – which typically accepts a smartcard that does decryption |
| [05:38:24] | Lexridge: | do you mean QAM? |
| [05:38:33] | Lexridge: | oh, gotcha |
| [05:38:49] | RyeBrye: | kind of like cablecard in the US? |
| [05:39:18] | Lexridge: | Software patents in the US prevent such a thing with personal devices. umm, DMCA? |
| [05:39:27] | Mikk: | Yay, dmca. |
| [05:39:37] | Mikk: | Okay, such questions will not be uttered... here. |
| [05:39:39] | RyeBrye: | I think the 10th anniversary of the DMCA is this month |
| [05:39:41] | Lexridge: | fsck the DMCA! |
| [05:40:03] | Mikk: | Thank god .se didn't implement that shite. |
| [05:40:35] | Mikk: | Noone comes hunting me for using my paid-for card in my own hardware to view paid-for content here. |
| [05:40:59] | Lexridge: | it should be that way everywhere. :) |
| [05:42:02] | Mikk: | Mmm.. go find politicians that aren't bought & paid for by Big Bucks maybe? |
| [05:42:12] | ** Mikk wishes you the best of luck ** | |
| [05:42:31] | Lexridge: | Once the US economy takes a bigger dive, which it will, and every corporation is broke, we will finally get these SOBs outta office! |
| [05:43:07] | Lexridge: | my only goal at the polling place this year will be to vote against every incumbunt. |
| [05:43:19] | Mikk: | haha |
| [05:43:39] | Lexridge: | I'm tired of being screwed without the benefit of sex. :) |
| [05:44:18] | Mikk: | hahahaha |
| [05:44:46] | Lexridge: | I will not even vote for either of the main parties....they both suck IMO. |
| [05:45:04] | Lexridge: | The US needs a third party, and we need it now. |
| [05:45:49] | Lexridge: | HS!, it's way past my bedtime.....Early meeting in the morning....gotta run. |
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| [07:00:20] | Octane: | i cannot believe how slow it takes for official mythtv releases to come out |
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| [07:04:06] | mchou: | Octane: what's the rush? |
| [07:05:03] | mchou: | Octane: nobody stopping you from using svn |
| [07:05:39] | Octane: | my mom is |
| [07:08:10] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:08:23] | mchou: | your mom stops you from using svn? |
| [07:08:41] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [07:09:02] | fryfrog: | "son, what have i told you about svn... don't make me put you in the small closet with all the pointy nails." |
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| [09:09:59] | justinh: | I cannot believe people complain about how they can't believe the releases are so far apart |
| [09:10:31] | misery: | heh |
| [09:11:00] | misery: | *good* code takes time. |
| [09:11:09] | justinh: | you want releases more often? GET STUCK IN & HELP |
| [09:11:13] | misery: | ignore it |
| [09:11:45] | misery: | isnt this -users? |
| [09:12:01] | justinh: | whiners more like |
| [09:13:32] | justinh: | besides, in terms of features there's not much to tell 0.21 & trunk apart :) |
| [09:13:41] | misery: | :P i just joined cos im 1/2 way through setting mythtv up and wanted to watch others mention pitfalls etc |
| [09:14:29] | misery: | well, like i said, whoevers whining is an idiot, or has commercial pressure. |
| [09:15:18] | misery: | they get the same shit with debian releases too, you just ignore it. |
| [09:15:45] | justinh: | as far as pitfalls go, where most people who end up here go wrong is not reading any docs & refusing to do any of their own research :) |
| [09:16:07] | misery: | hmm... |
| [09:16:15] | misery: | sounds common. |
| [09:16:53] | justinh: | or they use a distro like ubuntu which provides a pretty much foolproof install process for the mythtv packages – IF you pay attention to the popup messages during the install |
| [09:16:59] | misery: | although, i just 'fell' at a craptacular screwup involving LDFLAGS compiler env. |
| [09:17:29] | misery: | reported it in dev channel, but they dont care apparently |
| [09:17:44] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:17:57] | directhex: | justinh, it's not foolproof if you need to *read* |
| [09:18:15] | misery: | otherwise, following the docs, it seems pretty smooth |
| [09:18:55] | misery: | complicated, but smooth :) |
| [09:19:28] | justinh: | directhex: oh dear. Can you hear my violin? |
| [09:20:10] | misery: | ? |
| [09:20:39] | misery: | whats wrong with reading? |
| [09:21:02] | directhex: | reading is HARD. let's go shopping! tee hee! |
| [09:22:33] | misery: | go buy windos |
| [09:22:37] | misery: | :) |
| [09:22:44] | misery: | or tivo |
| [09:23:27] | justinh: | you mean there's somebody out there with realistic expectations? :-O |
| [09:23:42] | misery: | eh? |
| [09:24:00] | justinh: | you |
| [09:24:08] | justinh: | ;) |
| [09:25:18] | misery: | me? well, i expect to watch pre-recorded shows when theyre broadcast at 0500 cos our tv stations are idiots, but other than that... what do you mean realistic? |
| [09:25:59] | misery: | ad-skipping sounds nice, dunno how good it is... |
| [09:26:13] | misery: | we get piles of ads here. |
| [09:26:29] | justinh: | I mean you sound like you don't want the moon on a stick |
| [09:26:58] | directhex: | i do |
| [09:27:00] | directhex: | and a pony. |
| [09:27:14] | misery: | see above, thats all i want. spent weeks trying freevo, but after looking through the code, i became discusted, so im trying this |
| [09:27:26] | misery: | i hate python btw |
| [09:27:30] | misery: | :) |
| [09:28:15] | justinh: | but freevo is using the very latest 'cool' thing! how can you say you don't like it? the demo videos look awesome :P |
| [09:28:22] | justinh: | ahem |
| [09:28:22] | directhex: | Moon-on-a-Stick |
| [09:28:23] | directhex: | Helps meet the Galagoogoo and Mothdrop Resident requirements. |
| [09:28:27] | misery: | yeah. whatever |
| [09:28:30] | directhex: | justinh, freevo uses clutter? :o |
| [09:28:44] | justinh: | directhex: probably |
| [09:28:53] | sid3windr: | freevo doesn't record does it? |
| [09:28:55] | misery: | python blows, mainly cos it encourages retarded programming practices... it shows in freevo |
| [09:29:13] | misery: | sid3windr, course it does |
| [09:29:13] | justinh: | sid3windr: yeah, but it's all in one box or else |
| [09:29:15] | directhex: | misery, even smart languages breed retarded code in thw hands of retards |
| [09:29:20] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [09:29:28] | sid3windr: | ah right, and only one tuner |
| [09:29:33] | sid3windr: | or is that fixed already :p |
| [09:29:35] | misery: | directhex, i know, but in pythons case, the SNR is way higher |
| [09:29:44] | misery: | s/is/seems/ |
| [09:30:12] | justinh: | if there was ever an argument for keeping the entry bar high ;) |
| [09:30:42] | misery: | justinh, actually, thats exactly why i tried freevo 1st – dont want to mess around with client-server shit. my setup isnt that complicated. |
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| [09:31:31] | misery: | 1 machine with a tuner. record stuff on it. watch it later. the end. |
| [09:31:59] | justinh: | heh that's how I started |
| [09:32:07] | justinh: | 2 machines later, 3 tuners.. |
| [09:32:39] | misery: | cant afford that. TBH, my self-made mplayer script with time args is still coming 1st |
| [09:32:52] | misery: | s/mplayer/mencoder/ |
| [09:33:44] | misery: | its just that manually looking up whats on, and scheduling it is becoming rather a pain. |
| [09:34:17] | misery: | thus... i am whining here for a while ! :) |
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| [09:35:16] | quicksilver: | misery: 99% of mythtv users only have 1 machine. |
| [09:35:21] | quicksilver: | It's still 100x better than the alternatives. |
| [09:35:34] | quicksilver: | (and 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?) |
| [09:35:57] | misery: | exactly |
| [09:36:00] | justinh: | only 87% ? |
| [09:36:11] | misery: | yeh i thought it was 99 |
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| [09:43:55] | mchou: | quicksilver: where did you get those stats? |
| [09:44:36] | directhex: | it's less than you think |
| [09:44:39] | directhex: | only 82.9 |
| [09:49:35] | misery: | there you have it |
| [09:53:45] | misery: | the definitive answer |
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| [10:03:41] | misery: | that reminds me, is there any actual sensible reason the streams are recorded to nuppel video? at best with dv they come in mpeg, already compressed. surely that would be better? |
| [10:04:18] | directhex: | only framegrabber video is saved in nuv container |
| [10:04:45] | justinh: | with DV, you get captured video in DV format |
| [10:04:57] | misery: | exactly, at best its dvb-t/c/... already in mpeg2 |
| [10:05:01] | justinh: | which is just about mjpeg with |
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| [10:05:10] | justinh: | DVB != DV |
| [10:05:25] | misery: | who the hell uses mythtv to look at their camcorder streams!? |
| [10:05:33] | justinh: | nobody |
| [10:05:36] | sid3windr: | you! |
| [10:05:40] | sid3windr: | you said with dv ! :p |
| [10:06:26] | misery: | s/dv/dvb/television broadcast then |
| [10:06:39] | misery: | mr. pedantic., that doesnt answer the question |
| [10:07:19] | justinh: | nuv was found to be a good tradeoff between quality, file size & CPU usage |
| [10:07:51] | misery: | but why not just save the mpeg2 stream? that was the whole point of the mpeg2 standard. |
| [10:07:51] | justinh: | at mythtv's inception there wasn't anything else which'd do the job as well |
| [10:07:54] | directhex: | and only affects framegrabber users |
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| [10:08:13] | directhex: | dvb users get .mpg files containing the raw mpeg2-ts data |
| [10:08:20] | justinh: | all I've ever had out of my DVB tuners is mpeg2 |
| [10:08:47] | justinh: | unless you transcode with the builtin transcoder. those files end up in nuv containers |
| [10:08:56] | misery: | well, theres analog to keep in mind here, but its waay worse in quality than mpeg2... so its still sensible |
| [10:09:00] | justinh: | but that's mpeg4 nuv |
| [10:09:06] | justinh: | wtf are you talking about? |
| [10:09:35] | justinh: | mpeg can come from analogue or digital sources |
| [10:09:49] | misery: | oh, nuv can contain mpeg4... |
| [10:09:54] | misery: | i think i see |
| [10:10:10] | misery: | or, more correctly h.264 |
| [10:10:20] | misery: | ? |
| [10:10:23] | justinh: | no. NUV is just plain mpeg4 |
| [10:11:08] | misery: | mpeg4 is... a pile of standards. are you saying it recodes the stream to h.264 and saves it in a nuppel container? |
| [10:11:20] | justinh: | no |
| [10:11:32] | justinh: | just a bog standard mpeg4 profile |
| [10:11:32] | misery: | that would be gooh |
| [10:11:35] | misery: | good |
| [10:11:46] | misery: | eh... which is...? |
| [10:12:07] | justinh: | just some generic mpeg4 video thing, I don't know/care |
| [10:12:14] | justinh: | I DO know it's not h.264 though |
| [10:12:18] | misery: | hmm |
| [10:12:31] | misery: | well that would be fine too, if it was mpeg2 video |
| [10:12:50] | misery: | s'pose i'll find out soon enough... |
| [10:13:23] | misery: | its just i don't know anything about this 'nuppel video' thing... im scared |
| [10:13:36] | justinh: | if you have a digital tuner, a set top box dumping out over its firewire port, or a PVR tuner, you get video saved by mythtv in the format it arrives in |
| [10:14:01] | justinh: | mythtv only uses nuv for framegrabbing tuners – i.e. software encoding |
| [10:14:04] | misery: | that would be mpeg2... i guess |
| [10:14:05] | justinh: | and transcoding |
| [10:14:10] | misery: | hmm. ok |
| [10:14:19] | justinh: | not necessarily mpeg2. whatever is broadcast |
| [10:14:25] | justinh: | (in the case of digital TV) |
| [10:14:27] | misery: | its always mpeg2 |
| [10:14:31] | justinh: | IT IS NOT |
| [10:15:02] | justinh: | h.264 is being broadcast in some parts of the world |
| [10:15:10] | Mikk: | oO |
| [10:15:11] | misery: | really? |
| [10:15:25] | justinh: | no, I'm making this up just to annoy you |
| [10:15:27] | justinh: | FFS |
| [10:15:30] | misery: | which bits? argentina? |
| [10:15:38] | justinh: | parts of europe, mostly |
| [10:16:06] | misery: | hmm, *books a ticket* |
| [10:16:09] | justinh: | and everywhere, eventually no doubt |
| [10:18:28] | laga: | germany, for example. |
| [10:18:34] | misery: | anyway, more importantly, its not raw frames like mjpeg or something. thats a relief |
| [10:18:35] | ** laga looks at the antenna outlet ** | |
| [10:18:52] | misery: | cos i only have about 9G for this junk |
| [10:19:05] | laga: | haha |
| [10:19:16] | laga: | mythtv eats hard disks |
| [10:19:28] | misery: | i know, thats why i'm pissed off. |
| [10:19:31] | justinh: | 9GB? |
| [10:19:41] | justinh: | enjoy your 2 hours of programming |
| [10:19:45] | misery: | every tivo like app does |
| [10:20:11] | justinh: | storage has never been so cheap per GB. It'll only ever get cheaper, too :D |
| [10:20:20] | misery: | actually with freevo i can get about 6 hrs because it recodes it on the fly into a bitrate i can select... |
| [10:20:45] | misery: | using mencoder... wonderful program btw. |
| [10:20:54] | laga: | seriously, spend 50€ and get a 500G hard disk |
| [10:21:03] | laga: | you can fit a lot on 500G unless you use HD |
| [10:21:24] | justinh: | laga: USA HDTV doesn't take up that much more space than our SDTV though :D |
| [10:22:06] | laga: | you're using DVB-T. how many channels per transponder? :D |
| [10:22:29] | justinh: | up to 9 |
| [10:22:54] | justinh: | only the very suckiest of channels live on the mux with 9 channels though |
| [10:22:57] | laga: | and bitrate is still bearable? |
| [10:23:06] | justinh: | no idea. I don't watch them |
| [10:23:09] | laga: | ah |
| [10:23:32] | laga: | in a perfect world, they'd just throw out all analog channels on cable here and give more bitrate to the digital ones |
| [10:23:52] | laga: | and of course, don't encrypt the FTA stuff |
| [10:23:53] | laga: | ffs |
| [10:24:06] | justinh: | in a perfect world they'd turn over the whole of the UHF spectrum currently used for analogue to new digital multiplexes |
| [10:24:26] | justinh: | the argument goes.. "we don't want hundreds of terrestrial channels". |
| [10:24:51] | Mikk: | whyever not? :P |
| [10:24:53] | justinh: | but I'd say right – neither do I. GIVE US THE BEST TECHNICAL QUALITY POSSIBLE, ASSHOLES |
| [10:24:54] | laga: | in a perfect world, i'd do something useful with my time |
| [10:25:20] | justinh: | there are already about 25 channels too many on the DVB-T platform |
| [10:25:50] | justinh: | as for satellite & cable. Seriously, who watches all that shit? |
| [10:26:17] | justinh: | More choice can be good, but in terms of TV programming it's just watering everything down a lot |
| [10:26:26] | misery: | wow. america is fucked. |
| [10:27:43] | justinh: | ORLY? :-O |
| [10:29:20] | ** laga drools over bouquet support and sane channel management ** | |
| [10:30:20] | laga: | heh. bukkit support. stupid memes |
| [10:31:22] | justinh: | in miffyteevee? |
| [10:33:20] | Mikk: | RIGHT... now that the europeans seem to have woken up... (I tried this early in the morning too but that was a bad idea :o)) What's a good dvb-t card? (Yes, I know about the linuxtv & mythtv wikis.. they list stuff that might work.. maybe.. with patches.. if you re-plug a lot.. maybe.. or not..) |
| [10:33:41] | Mikk: | s/card/card or dongle or ... whatever/ |
| [10:33:52] | justinh: | Mikk: no point me telling you I'm really happy with my Leadtek LR6650 cards |
| [10:34:40] | Mikk: | My wishlist would be dual receiver, CAM, possibly remote. But something tells me i need to pick one. >.< |
| [10:34:49] | justinh: | I bought a newer one for my development machine last year. works really well. Some Avermedia thing |
| [10:35:06] | justinh: | this is where you'll end up disappointed |
| [10:35:14] | Mikk: | Thought as much yeah |
| [10:35:21] | justinh: | with mythtv you need a CAM per tuner. no way around it that you can talk about here |
| [10:35:44] | ** Mikk coughs – yeah I've read the faq. :P ** | |
| [10:36:34] | justinh: | it's going to bug me what that Avermedia tuner is now |
| [10:37:24] | Mikk: | Anyway yeah.. dual receiver would be schweet I think. I was looking at a pinnacle one. That came with a sane-looking remote. |
| [10:37:31] | laga: | hum. getting an usb dvb-t thingy would be neat for a development box |
| [10:37:52] | justinh: | only the hauppauge nova-t500 works in linux AFAIK |
| [10:38:03] | laga: | huh? no, there are many others |
| [10:38:23] | laga: | i want USB because then i can use it in virtualbox. hopefully. |
| [10:38:30] | justinh: | are there? don't hear about them often though |
| [10:38:38] | justinh: | s/often/ever ;) |
| [10:39:10] | justinh: | yeah I wouldn't mind a USB tuner for my laptop. my dev box only has an 800mhz cpu so compiling is no fun |
| [10:39:29] | justinh: | I want it CHEAP though |
| [10:40:15] | justinh: | maybe I should just stump up more cash. less chance of being bitterly disappointed |
| [10:40:26] | justinh: | £30 isn't that much |
| [10:41:09] | janneg: | justinh: a couple of dual usb sticks are also supported |
| [10:42:12] | Mikk: | to get back to my original point though.. define "supported" ;) |
| [10:42:34] | Mikk: | like to shit itself when you channel surf? |
| [10:42:44] | Mikk: | poor reception on low power muxes? |
| [10:42:53] | justinh: | well, when I found the tuner card I bought was easy to get working in linux I actually bothered myself to update the linuxtv.org wiki with the information |
| [10:43:06] | Mikk: | needs unplugging / replugging if you S3 the system? |
| [10:43:13] | justinh: | so where there's a lack of information there are only users to blame |
| [10:43:32] | Mikk: | Yeah of course |
| [10:43:38] | justinh: | channel surfing is for chumps anyway :) |
| [10:43:55] | Mikk: | I just though there'd be a "everyone knows <foo> is good" kinda thing that never made it onto wikis et al |
| [10:44:12] | justinh: | because not all reception environments are the same |
| [10:44:20] | Mikk: | Very true |
| [10:44:24] | justinh: | not all installations are alike |
| [10:44:33] | justinh: | some people have a clue about RF cabling, aerials & stuff |
| [10:45:06] | Mikk: | Zomg, you mean I shouldn't be using the 1 foot aerial shipped with it? How quaint! ;) |
| [10:45:14] | chainsawbike: | some ppl just throw it in a tree and hope |
| [10:45:17] | justinh: | sensitivity is one area where there's a lot of variance between tuner models |
| [10:45:18] | ** Mikk has a nice wallmount outside thankyou ** | |
| [10:45:44] | justinh: | buy stuff from reputable makes like Hauppauge & you stand a better chance |
| [10:46:12] | Mikk: | Yeah perhaps sensitivity isn't the biggy for me though.. Nice LoS to the sender, not too far off. Never had problems with settop et al. |
| [10:46:26] | justinh: | never be amazed when something from the HappyDayTeevee Tuner Card Good Time Corp. of Taiwan turns out to be a piece of crap |
| [10:46:33] | Mikk: | haha |
| [10:47:02] | Mikk: | Nono, I know enough about .tw OEMs. Heck, I've even sold stuff to them with my job hat on. |
| [10:47:11] | Mikk: | And the stuff they made us do to our software ..... *shiver* |
| [10:47:13] | justinh: | all we can ever say to you is.. YMMV |
| [10:47:15] | justinh: | eat that |
| [10:47:39] | justinh: | that Avermedia tuner of mine totally exceeds my expectations |
| [10:48:21] | justinh: | great sensitivity, fast lock time, lower power consumption than my leadtek tuners.. |
| [10:48:46] | justinh: | another thing btw about the channel change time – that can be driver dependent |
| [10:49:35] | justinh: | probably the case regarding stuff coming out of standby too |
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| [10:50:50] | Mikk: | aye |
| [10:50:54] | justinh: | take heart in the fact that most tuners probably work better & more consistently in linux than they do in Windows |
| [10:51:12] | justinh: | speaking from experience.. and it's why I came to mythtv |
| [10:51:44] | Mikk: | aye well i have one that sure don't :P |
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| [10:52:40] | justinh: | hell, we can't even definitively say which tuner card model is best anymore since manufacturers go changing what's in the damn box |
| [10:54:19] | Mikk: | yoink.. i actually found someone that sells the haup dual tuner stick |
| [10:54:23] | ** Mikk congratulates himself ** | |
| [10:54:46] | justinh: | in the case of many tuners now – particular the DVB devices -you can find that they have their modules loaded automagically & everything but still won't work because they're missing the firmware |
| [10:55:42] | Mikk: | yeah and then it's to windowsland we go to fix the firmware |
| [10:55:59] | justinh: | or just to pull it out from a zip file :) |
| [10:56:55] | justinh: | so which is the tuner you're having problems with? |
| [10:57:00] | Mikk: | So... GENERALLY speaking... WinTV NOVA-T-500 should be a safer-then-average bet? |
| [10:57:31] | Mikk: | Oh, it's a FloppyDTV tuner |
| [10:57:37] | Mikk: | Early alpha drivers for linux |
| [10:57:37] | Mikk: | >.< |
| [10:57:45] | justinh: | that the weird firewire thing? |
| [10:57:47] | Mikk: | Yeah |
| [10:57:56] | justinh: | heh. no bloody wonder then! |
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| [10:58:08] | Mikk: | I had it working in a celery 600. Which of course wasn't good enough to play stuff sanely. |
| [10:58:12] | Mikk: | Move the kit to new box. |
| [10:58:24] | Mikk: | Whoopie, the firewire controller cant init the tuner. |
| [10:58:32] | justinh: | a celery 600 would probly be fine for SDTV in linux |
| [10:58:35] | justinh: | how ironical |
| [10:58:39] | Mikk: | It's linux |
| [10:59:09] | Mikk: | But I wanted to be able to watch higher res files on it too, and then it croaked. |
| [11:00:32] | Mikk: | Lmao.. usb tuner stick for 15 euro |
| [11:00:36] | Mikk: | Yeah, not getting that |
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| [11:10:35] | ** Mikk snorks ** | |
| [11:11:03] | Mikk: | I didn't realize hauppauge themselves even sold USB card readers |
| [11:11:11] | Mikk: | CIs that is |
| [11:15:50] | misery: | woah |
| [11:16:47] | Mikk: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_ci.html |
| [11:16:52] | directhex: | usb ones. no use on linux |
| [11:17:37] | Mikk: | Well, no, for lack of drivers |
| [11:17:59] | directhex: | linuxtv don't & won't support dvb loopback devices |
| [11:18:57] | Mikk: | And that |
| [11:19:06] | ** Mikk sighs ** | |
| [11:19:26] | directhex: | you can use a hardware CAM fine on linux with other vendors' kit, e.g. technotrend |
| [11:19:42] | Mikk: | The only way I can watch & record 2 different channels without stuff like that is to pay 2 subscriptions |
| [11:19:47] | Mikk: | And that's ... less attractive |
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| [11:20:50] | Mikk: | Or are you saying there's ways that I'm missing? |
| [11:21:22] | directhex: | no, i'm not. |
| [11:21:59] | directhex: | some CAMs allow multiple streams (usually per-transponder), most don't |
| [11:22:43] | Mikk: | Oho... separate CAM that does decryption.. sorry, wasn't quite following there at the beginning |
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| [11:44:12] | justinh: | I might feel different about pay tv if there was anything I wanted to watch on there |
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| [11:50:54] | directhex: | justinh, titties? as per usual it's the pornographers helping to propell standards & standards-compliance |
| [11:51:27] | justinh: | I can see titties without paying |
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| [11:57:22] | misery: | hey, if it wasnt for joe blo's penchance for porn, mythtv wouldn't have gotten as far as it did! |
| [11:57:48] | misery: | dont bite the hand that feeds |
| [11:59:59] | directhex: | coo, pci-express Cell coprocessor card for <$300 |
| [12:00:43] | justinh: | if it was all about porn I think mythtv would be much more ubiquitious by now |
| [12:01:14] | justinh: | when it comes to watching downloaded material, XBMC is king & they make no excuses about it |
| [12:02:06] | misery: | i dont know what ubiquitious means :( |
| [12:02:27] | misery: | but i probably agree. |
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| [12:16:19] | Mikk: | commonplace |
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| [12:24:17] | justinh: | ooo £18 Pinnacle PCTV USB DVBT solo works in linuxtv hg |
| [12:25:19] | nayfly: | hey guys... I've just installed mythtv and I've got everything running except that there are certain channels that I cannot seem to get a 'lock' on.... The scanner finds them fine, and the tuner can tune to these channels fine in Vista.... any ideas? |
| [12:25:27] | nayfly: | I've increased the lock time. |
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| [12:26:53] | directhex: | justinh, w/ or w/o random disconnection & drops? |
| [12:29:02] | justinh: | directhex: no idea |
| [12:29:12] | justinh: | not important since it's only for messing about with |
| [12:35:57] | misery: | nayfly, hello |
| [12:36:25] | Mikk: | can you tzap to them? |
| [12:36:28] | misery: | what is the 1 thing? |
| [12:36:54] | Mikk: | (what i'm getting at is that it might be a driver issue rather than a myth issue) |
| [12:37:08] | Mikk: | ((or rather... it most likely is)) |
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| [12:38:09] | misery: | nayfly, pardon, didnt read far enough back... |
| [12:41:36] | justinh: | ah shit. I can't rightly do any theme dev work for mythui without having an EPG & stuff |
| [12:41:43] | misery: | nayfly, im a total n00b, but as a 1st test try using mplayer dvb://<channel> to see if your aerial position is bad. |
| [12:41:44] | justinh: | this might need some hackery |
| [12:42:45] | misery: | mplayer is usually far more sensible than anything else |
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| [14:12:51] | ll2: | hi there |
| [14:13:10] | ll2: | maybe this is a know problem, but i could find much about it |
| [14:13:26] | justinh: | if you could find much about it, you hardly need ask here |
| [14:13:30] | ll2: | my mythtv backend is freezing if active EIT scan |
| [14:13:36] | ll2: | is enabled |
| [14:13:42] | justinh: | install windows MCE. problem solved |
| [14:13:51] | jduggan: | haha |
| [14:14:11] | justinh: | no moar backend freezy freeze |
| [14:14:48] | ll2: | nice tip :-) |
| [14:14:57] | justinh: | let me guess.. you have nova-t 500 card |
| [14:14:58] | misery: | uh. disable it? |
| [14:15:15] | ll2: | no |
| [14:15:23] | ll2: | a cheap 1020a |
| [14:15:26] | justinh: | well try disabling active eit scanning |
| [14:15:44] | justinh: | then eit will only be updated while the tuner is in use for other things |
| [14:15:47] | ll2: | i did that |
| [14:15:51] | justinh: | but? |
| [14:15:55] | ll2: | and it works |
| [14:15:58] | justinh: | but? |
| [14:16:13] | misery: | that probably wont fix the problem, but it might give a 'real' error for why it doesnt work |
| [14:16:16] | ll2: | but from time to time, i need to tune channel per channel |
| [14:16:27] | ll2: | to get EIT |
| [14:16:52] | justinh: | well then the only thing you can do is update your mythtv and hope the problem has been fixed |
| [14:17:01] | justinh: | that probably means compiling it yourself |
| [14:17:21] | justinh: | or maybe the problem has nothing to do with mythtv. maybe it's because of the DVB card drivers |
| [14:17:42] | justinh: | there's no 'do not crash if using active EIT' setting hidden away :P |
| [14:18:05] | ll2: | maybe, but why it can get EIT when you just tune a channel |
| [14:18:11] | ll2: | but cant with active EIT scan? |
| [14:18:25] | justinh: | I don't know why |
| [14:18:29] | justinh: | and I have no idea |
| [14:18:38] | justinh: | but I don't care either |
| [14:18:48] | justinh: | (don't get paid enough to care) |
| [14:19:33] | jduggan: | or anything |
| [14:19:35] | jduggan: | ;o |
| [14:20:52] | ll2: | it´s kind new my install |
| [14:21:02] | ll2: | 0.21.svn20080706 |
| [14:22:09] | justinh: | quite out of date by the look of it |
| [14:22:33] | justinh: | it's a 0.21-fixes package from around 6 july |
| [14:22:41] | justinh: | we're in October now |
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| [14:25:50] | ll2: | ok... i will try trunk from svn |
| [14:26:44] | justinh: | just try 0.21-fixes from svn |
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| [14:29:22] | jduggan: | no whey |
| [14:29:24] | jduggan: | try trunk |
| [14:29:31] | jduggan: | :o |
| [14:29:33] | jduggan: | hf |
| [14:29:34] | jduggan: | hand |
| [14:29:36] | jduggan: | etc |
| [14:29:37] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [14:32:24] | ll2: | sorry? trunk or fixes? |
| [14:32:34] | ll2: | trunk is not the lastest? |
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| [14:35:20] | justinh: | trunk is the development version |
| [14:35:30] | misery: | trunk == head, for cvs |
| [14:35:47] | justinh: | -fixes is the latest up to date 'stable' branch |
| [14:36:02] | justinh: | misery: mythtv hasn't used cvs for years now |
| [14:36:39] | misery: | sp'ose someone finally realized the cvs commands were retarded, and made svn, but the principles the same |
| [14:37:21] | misery: | justdave, was mythtv ever cvs? |
| [14:37:55] | misery: | eh. justinh |
| [14:39:57] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [14:40:07] | GreyFoxx: | Can't remember exctly when we switched |
| [14:40:27] | misery: | thats encouraging then. |
| [14:40:48] | GreyFoxx: | it was a long long time ago |
| [14:40:54] | misery: | age == maturity == stability |
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| [14:51:14] | justinh: | argh. just thought I fancy a can of coke. got one.. took a swig. BLECH. how the hell did I drink this muck all the time? |
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| [16:13:08] | Darthy: | hi. is there a possibility to delete video files from the shared video-folder within minimyth? after i watched an avi i like to rm it. |
| [16:13:38] | wagnerrp: | what is minimyth |
| [16:13:45] | iamlindoro_: | YAMD |
| [16:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | Yet Another Myth Distro |
| [16:14:30] | justinh: | mythvideo doesn't yet allow file deletion |
| [16:14:47] | justinh: | or does it? maybe in the video manager |
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| [16:14:58] | wagnerrp: | i believe the video manager allows it |
| [16:15:02] | Darthy: | i like minimyth .. i have a diskless client to boot via tftp.. and minimyth works great. |
| [16:15:02] | justinh: | but then you'd have to make sure you have write privileges on the network share |
| [16:15:07] | wagnerrp: | at the least, it allows you to remove it from the list |
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| [16:15:22] | justinh: | Darthy: unless you happen to have an epia board, it works great :-\ |
| [16:15:33] | Darthy: | i have one! :) |
| [16:15:44] | wagnerrp: | i have a full bloated client, booted via tftp/nfs. works great |
| [16:15:55] | iamlindoro_: | My condolences |
| [16:16:02] | iamlindoro_: | (on the Epia) |
| [16:16:28] | Darthy: | i like to remove the video files from the mounted fs! not only from the list. |
| [16:16:55] | justinh: | USE THE VIDEO MANAGER |
| [16:16:59] | Anduin: | Darthy: the video manager remove does that |
| [16:17:04] | Anduin: | (if it can) |
| [16:17:09] | justinh: | but that'll only work if you have write access to the share |
| [16:17:32] | Darthy: | sure |
| [16:19:06] | justinh: | next it'll be oh noes I have to go all the way into the video manager & find the file.. and then I delete the wrong file! :S |
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| [16:46:13] | Darthy: | is there a navigation shortcut to deleting videos that i can put on a button on a my remote (lirc.conf) ? |
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| [16:49:25] | justinh: | possibly a jump point you can set to take you into the video manager. otherwise no |
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| [16:59:39] | Anduin: | Darthy: no |
| [16:59:47] | asmussen: | Is there a website that tracks the current status of the hdpvr driver that anybody knows about? The only site I know of is the one to actually pull the driver from, but every time I want to actually find out what's going on with it, I end up asking around on IRC. |
| [17:00:58] | iamlindoro_: | The HD-PVR wiki page is kept up to date, and the repository has logs which will tell you precisely what each commit is for |
| [17:01:32] | rodimus: | and as of tomorrow, the driver will be in the Fedora kernels (rawhide, anyway) |
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| [17:02:10] | rodimus: | because otherwise, I might never actually get around to hooking up my own hd pvr |
| [17:02:32] | asmussen: | Yeah, I know you can read each patch and piece together a rough idea that way, but it's hard to get the overall picture doing that. I was just hoping that there might have been somewhere tracking the status in more general terms. |
| [17:02:46] | iamlindoro_: | The HD-PVR wiki. |
| [17:02:48] | iamlindoro_: | page |
| [17:04:29] | asmussen: | Yeah, that's more of instructions on how to use it. I think there probably just isn't a page like what I'm looking for, which is fine. I was just wondering. |
| [17:04:54] | iamlindoro_: | As I'm the author of the page, I beg to differ, but whatevs |
| [17:05:45] | misery: | if i complie with lirc support, does this try 1st irxevent, then internal lirc, or the other way round? |
| [17:08:47] | Anduin: | misery: the xevent stuff is external, when you compile with lirc support it means using the lirc_client lib to talk to lircd, if you also send xevents, well that is your business |
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| [17:09:09] | misery: | Anduin, so, which one comes 1st? |
| [17:10:04] | misery: | ...cos i compiled (dumbly) with lirc, but i dont want it taking over my lirc system |
| [17:10:28] | asmussen: | iamlindoro_: I'm not saying that your page isn't useful. Just that it isn't really what I was looking for at this moment, which is fine. I'm not trying to imply that you have any obligation to supply me with the type of page I was looking for. |
| [17:10:31] | misery: | it rather add lircrc rules for mythtv |
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| [17:13:55] | misery: | ...that irxevent will send to mythtv |
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| [17:14:43] | misery: | the point is, do i need to recompile, or...? |
| [17:15:37] | Anduin: | misery: mythtv's internal will only read prog=mythtv entries |
| [17:16:15] | misery: | i dont understand that, sorry. |
| [17:16:25] | Anduin: | misery: Is anything currently broken? |
| [17:16:34] | misery: | 'read prog=mythtv entries' means...? |
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| [17:16:58] | Anduin: | misery: lircrc config file, begin\nprog = mythtv\nblah |
| [17:18:30] | misery: | Anduin, well, currently, my remote isnt doing jackshit in mythtvfrontend, but its all setup nicely via irexec, lircd. mplayer does amazing things because of it... etc |
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| [17:19:12] | iamlindoro_: | you shouldn't be using irexec to control mplayer, mythtv, or any other program with actual lirc support |
| [17:19:39] | iamlindoro_: | You should be using the program's actual lirc functionality-- As anduin said, prog = mythtv, etc. I suggest reading the myth wiki lirc page. |
| [17:19:55] | misery: | sounds like another case of demented 'not-sticking-to-your-install-dir' and i need a ~/.lircrc or something? |
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| [17:20:40] | misery: | iamlindoro, thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard in years. |
| [17:21:05] | rodimus: | actually, its quite sane. |
| [17:21:19] | Dagmar: | misery: You would be dead wrong. |
| [17:21:26] | Dagmar: | ...or you're utterly new to IRC. |
| [17:21:27] | misery: | iamlindoro, lirc is a system thing. mythtv, mplayer, whatever are user apps. |
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| [17:21:38] | Dagmar: | I give it less than thirty minutes before someone comes in and says something _actually_ retarded. |
| [17:21:43] | rodimus: | ...which use the lirc client lib |
| [17:21:47] | rodimus: | when properly configured |
| [17:21:52] | iamlindoro_: | I'd argue, but it looks like other people are on top of explaining this to you |
| [17:22:11] | misery: | hmm. |
| [17:22:32] | Dagmar: | irexec is only useful for things which don't have lirc support in them. |
| [17:22:34] | misery: | annoying. but does anyone want to actually answer the question? |
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| [17:22:50] | iamlindoro_: | Wow |
| [17:22:50] | kormoc: | misery, sadly, it was answered, but you just don't understand |
| [17:22:55] | misery: | no. |
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| [17:23:14] | kormoc: | misery, I'd venture to guess that the best course of action is for you to read the lirc docs and the myth docs and then go from there |
| [17:23:25] | Anduin: | misery: The answer is that no, compiling mythtv with lirc support doesn't mean irxevent will break. |
| [17:23:59] | misery: | the docs say, EITHER use internal lirc support, OR use irxexec.... the question was simply which one comes 1st when both are compiled. |
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| [17:24:26] | Dagmar: | A working brain would tell you to use the internal lirc support. |
| [17:24:29] | rodimus: | that depends on your lircrc setup. |
| [17:24:30] | kormoc: | misery, that's all depends on your setup, as you configure the lircrc files that say to do what and you choose the order |
| [17:24:34] | Anduin: | misery: it is that "comes first" that makes no sense, or the answer is "whichever is configured" |
| [17:24:43] | misery: | READ. PLEASE!!!!!???? |
| [17:24:50] | Dagmar: | We are reading. |
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| [17:25:01] | Dagmar: | Neither comes "first" so your question makes little sense. |
| [17:25:05] | Dagmar: | They'd operate in parallel |
| [17:25:06] | rodimus: | if you have prog = mythtv stuff in your lircrc, that'd be the native lirc client stuff |
| [17:25:11] | Dagmar: | Using BOTH would cause you serious problems. |
| [17:25:13] | rodimus: | if you don't have that set up, the native stuff won't be used |
| [17:25:25] | rodimus: | and only the brain-dead irxexec stuff will be used |
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| [17:26:17] | misery: | hmm |
| [17:26:25] | Dagmar: | You're not being cunning or clever by trying to use irexec with an app that has native lirc support. |
| [17:26:30] | Dagmar: | It's the wrong thing to do. |
| [17:27:00] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmm, cheesing |
| [17:27:05] | iamlindoro_: | Because it's fon 2 due |
| [17:27:44] | iamlindoro_: | (Best South Park Episode Evar, btw) |
| [17:27:57] | misery: | think only developers will know. |
| [17:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | oh jeez |
| [17:28:14] | misery: | guess i have to look at code. *sigh* |
| [17:28:15] | iamlindoro_: | misery: You've just been corrected by a fair number of them |
| [17:28:35] | misery: | none of them made the slightest amount of sense |
| [17:28:40] | Dagmar: | See, I told you it wouldn't take 30 minutes for someone to say something really stupid. |
| [17:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | This is getting all too mchouian for my tastes |
| [17:29:17] | Dagmar: | PERHAPS IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS IT WILL BE CLEARER |
| [17:29:28] | Dagmar: | DO NOT USE IREXEC WITH APPS WHICH HAVE NATIVE LIRC SUPPOR. |
| [17:29:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: HA! I was thinking the same thing... rotfl... |
| [17:29:40] | ** Dagmar spits out a stray 'T'. ** | |
| [17:29:58] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: ;) |
| [17:30:40] | misery: | Dagmar, use the API instead. good idea. |
| [17:30:47] | misery: | if only... |
| [17:30:54] | Dagmar: | Another really retarded thing |
| [17:30:57] | Dagmar: | Amazing. |
| [17:31:14] | misery: | its pretty retarded anyway, but thats not the point. |
| [17:31:22] | Dagmar: | I suspect perhaps someone has performed a MITM attack on your connection. |
| [17:31:41] | Dagmar: | There's no way a sane person could be coming to the conclusions you are if you were reading the things we're typing. |
| [17:31:48] | Dagmar: | Someone is replacing them with nonsense in-transit. |
| [17:32:02] | misery: | im drunk. |
| [17:32:09] | misery: | so maybe. |
| [17:32:15] | iamlindoro_: | ./dr_sbaitso > /dev/eth0 |
| [17:32:24] | Dagmar: | Dude, wait until you're sober to deal with this |
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| [17:32:34] | misery: | but i AM wondering since over 10 hours why the remote doesnt work. |
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| [17:32:40] | Dagmar: | Drinking is only appropriate for trying to make sense of the lircrc file format for deciphering remote signals. |
| [17:32:46] | misery: | when mplayer likes it, etc. |
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| [17:33:04] | Dagmar: | Then the remote does work if mplayer likes it. |
| [17:33:17] | kormoc: | misery, also, keep in mind, irxevent is very focus dependant. If perhaps your window manager isn't giving the frontend focus, it won't work |
| [17:33:45] | misery: | i seriously suspect its mythtv trying to take over the entire input/lirc system 1st, cos i compiled it that way |
| [17:33:55] | rodimus: | you'd be wrong |
| [17:34:01] | kormoc: | misery, it doesn't do that |
| [17:34:08] | misery: | and... cos it needs special info, it doesnt work |
| [17:34:21] | kormoc: | misery, it attaches to the lircd process and listens for events that match a prog=mythtv event defined in your lircrc |
| [17:34:28] | kormoc: | misery, if it's not defiened, it doesn't do anything |
| [17:34:40] | kormoc: | misery, and lircd still fires off it's events just fine. They share control |
| [17:35:12] | Darthy: | is it possible to get the selected menuitems name to use as paramter in an EXEC-Action within an xml script? |
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| [17:35:28] | misery: | (had the same problem with freevo, btw) |
| [17:35:32] | kormoc: | Darthy, I don't think so |
| [17:35:38] | Dagmar: | Darthy: What would be the point |
| [17:35:46] | Dagmar: | The XML selections are fixed. |
| [17:35:49] | sphery: | Darthy: if you're doing an EXEC, just have it EXEC something different for different menu items |
| [17:35:56] | Darthy: | i like to add the feature to delete a video directly from the video-browser |
| [17:36:15] | Dagmar: | Those aren't part of the XML menus. |
| [17:36:17] | Anduin: | Darthy: that isn't as easy as you would like it to be |
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| [17:36:34] | Anduin: | Darthy: that feature is there in trunk btw |
| [17:36:49] | iamlindoro_: | God help us all |
| [17:36:55] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [17:37:15] | sphery: | isn't that read as, "Be patient, it will be in 0.22 when released"? |
| [17:37:19] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You could have a "special" theme whose first item says "Live TV" but in actuality, erases all recordings. |
| [17:37:46] | sphery: | oh, then we wouldn't need to use the Google bot to delete all recordings... |
| [17:37:55] | kormoc: | Ooh! Installs a rootkit when you hit livetv! |
| [17:37:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Are you suggesting a mythtv virus???? |
| [17:38:02] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:38:12] | sphery: | kormoc: then, perhaps Sony would start using MythTV |
| [17:38:21] | kormoc: | sphery, I still can't believe no one has triggered the lockdown.... |
| [17:38:28] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: It would be less work than looking for a flaw in the schedule parsing code and attacking SD |
| [17:38:50] | Dagmar: | Plus attacking SD could mean someone might break it and then there'd be no listings and no one wants that |
| [17:39:35] | Dagmar: | I say this because I was kinda toying with the idea of spoofing SD on the network at Phreaknic later this month so that almost everythings name gets replaced with "Not porn" |
| [17:39:43] | sphery: | hmmm. What's this in my myth log file: 2008-10–06 09:24:04.389 Compiling kernel interface for rootkit binary... |
| [17:39:59] | Dagmar: | sphery: Ooo! Exciting! |
| [17:40:02] | jams: | sphery- better ask clever |
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| [17:41:17] | misery: | kormoc, apparently if you compile it with lirc support, it makes its own lirc daemon, and takes over the normal system, just like freevo? |
| [17:41:27] | kormoc: | c13v3r's r00tk1t v 0.1337.2.the.max! |
| [17:41:34] | kormoc: | misery, sadly no, it does not |
| [17:41:47] | Dagmar: | You sure you don't mean "stoned out of your mind" and not "drunk"? |
| [17:41:53] | Dagmar: | This is Linux. |
| [17:41:56] | kormoc: | misery, you can verify that there is only one lircd on there and it's not run by myth |
| [17:41:57] | Dagmar: | Nothing "takes over the normal system" |
| [17:42:05] | misery: | i dont know, ill investigate further when im not drunk, but it just looks exactly like the stupid way freevo does it for now |
| [17:42:18] | sphery: | kormoc: You're right. I haven't seen any posts about the lockdown. Funny. I guess once you fixed MythWeb so bots couldn't delete everything, people decided they would just read the install instructions. (Or, perhaps the distros are just doing a better job of setting things up for them.) |
| [17:42:47] | misery: | well of course its not called lircd... duh. |
| [17:42:56] | kormoc: | misery, erm... |
| [17:43:13] | kormoc: | misery, it even says in the mythfrontend log 'Connecting to lirc daemon' or the like... what more do you want? |
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| [17:43:37] | misery: | hmm... |
| [17:44:16] | ** sphery thinks misery may be using the kernel's input subsystem for his remote rather than using LIRC (so his non-Myth configuration is broken, meaning things don't work in Myth) ** | |
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| [17:45:27] | iamlindoro_: | SAY WHATEVER IS IN YOUR MIND FREELY, OUR CONVERSATION WILL BE KEPT IN STRICT CONFIDENCE. |
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| [17:45:35] | iamlindoro_: | SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS. |
| [17:46:37] | sphery: | strict confidence may be more accurate than one realizes--after all, it probably takes reading a /topic or using Google to find the archives, and who here would actually do that? |
| [17:47:04] | justinh: | I did, but I'm not normal |
| [17:47:09] | iamlindoro_: | Can you elaborate on that? |
| [17:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | Why do you say you are not normal? |
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| [17:47:40] | misery: | sphery, its udev + a device that needs evdev. as i said, it works great as pure lirc stuff |
| [17:47:40] | Dagmar: | Well, for one thing he puts superfluous vowels in a lot of his words. |
| [17:47:46] | laga_: | one day, i'll kidnap one of these conversation agents and bring him in here |
| [17:48:00] | iamlindoro_: | Does it bother you then he puts superfluous vowels in a lot of his words? |
| [17:48:19] | iamlindoro_: | </ELIZA> |
| [17:48:21] | misery: | it was a simple question, i dont know what the drama is all about. |
| [17:48:23] | justinh: | actually I wonder just how many happy mythtv users there are in the world. you know – people who did a bit of research first, RTFMed a few times & just got it working happily without any problems. I guess we'll never hear about them |
| [17:48:24] | iamlindoro_: | <ZORK> |
| [17:48:44] | iamlindoro_: | You are standing in #mythtv-users. Misery is very clueless. He is likely to be eaten by a Grue. |
| [17:48:47] | Dagmar: | misery: It was a simple question which got you essentially the same answer from at least five people, to which you responded that we were basically all stupid. |
| [17:48:52] | iamlindoro_: | exits are n, s, and down. |
| [17:48:53] | Dagmar: | Ther'es what causes the drama. |
| [17:48:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: your pretending to be Eliza in this channel may get a lot of the Elisa haters upset |
| [17:49:08] | misery: | so the answer is? ... |
| [17:49:10] | Dagmar: | Eliza: What are you wearing? |
| [17:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: heh |
| [17:49:20] | misery: | im not interested in arguments. |
| [17:50:03] | iamlindoro_: | You're apparently not all that interested in answers, since we've told you how to make it work about ten trillion times |
| [17:50:13] | misery: | 'both at the same time' == repeat keys, and therefore does not compute |
| [17:50:31] | kormoc: | misery, well, in short, you're not gonna get any more info our of us. You can eather believe us or not, but you're not going to get anything more |
| [17:50:36] | Dagmar: | I think I said at least twice DON'T USE THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. |
| [17:50:36] | misery: | especially considering i dont get any at all |
| [17:50:42] | kormoc: | justinh, I'm one of the happy few that had no issues! |
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| [17:50:58] | Dagmar: | I, for one, am perfectly fine waiting until you're _sober_ |
| [17:51:14] | kormoc: | misery, lircd does a top down view of the config files. First match fires. That's it |
| [17:51:19] | laga_: | who's drunk on a monday night anyways? |
| [17:51:22] | misery: | dagar, me too, ill ask later. |
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| [17:51:26] | Dagmar: | Alcoholics |
| [17:51:33] | kormoc: | and coders! |
| [17:51:36] | ** kormoc starts early ** | |
| [17:51:44] | laga_: | well, same thing ;) |
| [17:51:46] | rodimus: | its only just past lunch time here |
| [17:51:56] | kormoc: | it's almost 11am here |
| [17:52:09] | rodimus: | I try to wait until the drive home, at least |
| [17:52:09] | justinh: | kormoc: wow :) |
| [17:52:18] | misery: | its just confusing me why no one understands lircd is working fine, and everyone is blaming it on lirc... |
| [17:52:27] | kormoc: | justinh, it's one of those days... :P |
| [17:52:34] | misery: | sounds a bit like the LDFLAGS thing. |
| [17:52:40] | iamlindoro_: | Nobody is blaming lirc. LIRC is fine. You are broken. |
| [17:52:40] | kormoc: | misery, huh? |
| [17:52:51] | kormoc: | misery, so now you think your myth isn't linking correctly? |
| [17:52:56] | Dagmar: | I'm with iamlindoro. |
| [17:53:02] | misery: | \o/ |
| [17:53:10] | justinh: | maybe a good idea for open source projects would be to have a 'we love' day/week/month where people are encouraged to be positive for a change. might increase morale no end |
| [17:53:17] | sphery: | wow... And I thought the MythTV wiki had some out-of-date pages. It seems that the Wikipedia MythTV page is worse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythtv )--as it's short/high-level and somewhat out of date. |
| [17:53:47] | misery: | probably a better idea is to read docs for APIs... but as you were |
| [17:54:21] | sphery: | misery: we're not blaming LIRC, we're blaming /your/ LIRC configuration |
| [17:54:21] | justinh: | heh. but does anyone really care about wikipedia, what with all its politics & all? |
| [17:54:37] | Dagmar: | Actually, yes |
| [17:54:46] | Dagmar: | It's just about the last place you can get useful information on stsuff. |
| [17:55:01] | misery: | sphery, ill get back to you later. |
| [17:55:09] | Dagmar: | Reliability isn't great, but almost everything else requires a membership, money, and often spyware as well |
| [17:55:25] | misery: | ...will probably figure it out myself, but whatever. |
| [17:55:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work uses wikipedia for quick acronym lookups – much faster than trying to google and getting 10,000 hits, of which 9,9998 aren't useful... ** | |
| [17:57:18] | sphery: | Google needs an "acronym:" operator like "define:" |
| [17:57:34] | Mikk: | Here, lemme try. I've never used lirc. From what I've read so far, I gather there's two ways to control software via a remote. |
| [17:57:43] | Dagmar: | sphery: Bad idea. |
| [17:57:55] | Mikk: | 1. irexec, which is a general-purpose IR-to-keymacro software, feeding whatever happens to have input focus. |
| [17:58:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Google also needs to preserve puncuation used within quotes... Try searching for "http:///" — you'll get tons of hits on just "http" — totally useless... |
| [17:58:26] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: or ".NET" |
| [17:58:49] | Mikk: | 2. built-in lirc support in e.g. myth and mplayer, where you don't have focus problems. here, you need sections in your .lircrc file, beginning with a line like "prog=mythtv" to say which app the binds should go to. |
| [17:59:04] | sphery: | though the problem there may be MS penchant for using generic names of technologies for its products (e.g. Windows, Office, ...) |
| [17:59:40] | justinh: | mmmm there's a good thai curry :) |
| [17:59:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | btw iamlindoro_ thanks for gut-wrenching laugh... I almost fell out of my chair... ;-) |
| [18:00:02] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Heh, what'd I do? :) |
| [18:00:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: The Eliza and Zork stuff... ;-) |
| [18:00:49] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Heh, ah, memories |
| [18:01:43] | iamlindoro_: | Gah, avidemux is pretty nice for scripting a job, but ugh, the method of defining a segment suuuucks. (instead of start and end points, it's a start point and a frame length) |
| [18:01:54] | kormoc: | misery, do not continue the conversation in #mythtv. you can continue arguing here, but not there |
| [18:02:17] | Dagmar: | Wow he's wasting the time of BOTH channels with his drunken rambling? |
| [18:02:31] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [18:02:56] | Mikk: | Out of curiosity, did i get it right, even though i've never even looked at lirc? |
| [18:03:10] | kormoc: | misery, last warning... No more in #mythtv |
| [18:03:41] | Dagmar: | Mikk: It doesn't much matter, since he's clue-resistant. |
| [18:04:02] | kormoc: | Mikk, aye, that's the short of it |
| [18:04:07] | ** Mikk snorks ** | |
| [18:04:28] | kormoc: | Mikk, basically it reads from the top down in the config file, first match wins and is what gets executed |
| [18:04:42] | wagnerrp: | he is right though, running lirc_init() doesnt mean that mythtv is called (renamed to) lircd |
| [18:05:09] | wagnerrp: | of course thats not at all what he meant |
| [18:09:08] | sphery: | kormoc: (Probably what you're saying, but in more detail:) If using native LIRC, the LIRC daemon simply sends a message to an app. The app uses LIRC's client API to determine whether the message is appropriate for the app and, if so, how to interpret the message (both based on ~/.lircrc configuration). Therefore, a message will be interpreted by any running app that has a configuration for that message. Myth ignores messages ... |
| [18:09:14] | sphery: | ... when Myth is used to start other apps (such as MPlayer or xine through MythVideo or--I think--anything through EXEC*). And, if a user configures a ~/.lircrc with multiple meanings for an app for the same button press, it will be interpreted twice by that app. |
| [18:10:51] | kormoc: | Aye, cause it's two processes receiving that button, I really wasn't clear on that point |
| [18:11:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:12:31] | sphery: | but, if properly configured, it works /much/ better than using the kernel's input subsystem to treat the remote as a regular keyboard (meaning you have to map key configs for all your apps to use a single button definition) |
| [18:12:44] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:12:45] | sphery: | and it /does/ work :) |
| [18:13:31] | kormoc: | Aye, although I need to update the modmceusb config sometime, I have it a little bit slicker at home now :) |
| [18:13:34] | misery: | yawn |
| [18:14:16] | kormoc: | misery, so go to bed if you're tired... |
| [18:14:16] | misery: | ^ from about 20 lines ago, sorry for delay, i was busy testing stuff. |
| [18:15:00] | misery: | well i was trying to be nice, but... fine. Get on with it the rest of you. |
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| [18:15:42] | kormoc: | misery, well, when someone very nicely explains something and someone responds with 'yawn', it comes across as very rude... |
| [18:16:14] | iamlindoro_: | Banhammer tolerance level in here == way too high |
| [18:16:53] | misery: | interestingly, sphery's question is way relevant. i'd like to know the answer too |
| [18:17:25] | kormoc: | misery, sphery didn't ask a question? |
| [18:17:58] | misery: | he didnt say anything ending with a '?', what is this, dickface hour? |
| [18:18:10] | iamlindoro_: | No. Indeed he did not. |
| [18:18:18] | iamlindoro_: | And apparently it is. |
| [18:18:28] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams | |
| [18:18:35] | kormoc: | misery, no, he didn't |
| [18:18:41] | misery: | pardon me... |
| [18:18:48] | iamlindoro_: | bye bye |
| [18:18:48] | misery: | im wrong. |
| [18:19:18] | misery: | someone had a problem anyway. |
| [18:19:22] | misery has been kicked from #mythtv-users by jams!n=jams@CPE-65-29-35-68.wi.res.rr.com (watch the language) | |
| [18:19:55] | kormoc: | It's times like this I wish I could put a 'Banned from using mythweb for calling me names' function.... |
| [18:20:04] | sphery: | lol |
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| [18:20:39] | laga_: | kormoc: i wanted to add such a thing to mythbuntu |
| [18:20:44] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o jams | |
| [18:20:53] | laga_: | if user == foo: |
| [18:21:02] | laga_: | break_in_interesting_ways() |
| [18:21:07] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:22:21] | sphery: | Ticket #5999: MythWeb bans my username, Type: Patch, Status: Closed (wontfix) |
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| [18:23:16] | sphery: | worst part is that it seems many of the people who post those patches can't figure out how to use them, so it may still work ("Can we apply my super-great patch to 0.21-fixes so I can use it?") |
| [18:23:36] | jams: | sorry kormoc for stealing any joy you might have had from kicking, but that one line crossed my threshold. |
| [18:24:05] | hume: | I am setting up a new backend – and it seems that I have succeeded in searching for channels, that I can view. and mythfilldatabase runs without error – how do I get the program data into the program guide (for mythweb)? |
| [18:24:16] | kormoc: | jams, no worries :) |
| [18:24:21] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase |
| [18:24:26] | sphery: | jams: I guess now I'll never learn what question I asked... :( |
| [18:24:33] | wagnerrp: | err... you ran that |
| [18:24:35] | laga_: | sphery: #5999 does not exist? |
| [18:24:51] | wagnerrp: | if mythfilldatabase worked, the listing data should just be in mythweb |
| [18:25:02] | wagnerrp: | rather if it works in mythfrontend, it will work in mythweb |
| [18:25:03] | hume: | wagnerrp, yes... but there is something with putting some values into the mythweb interface, isn't there? |
| [18:25:10] | sphery: | laga_: Yeah, it was a made-up ticket for kormoc's post-'Banned from using mythweb for calling me names' changeset |
| [18:25:14] | hume: | mythweb shows "no data" |
| [18:25:25] | laga_: | ah |
| [18:25:35] | wagnerrp: | then mythfrontend, in the guide, should also show nothing |
| [18:25:35] | sphery: | laga_: though, if you're looking to triage... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5183#comment:5 |
| [18:25:59] | laga_: | sphery: what patches were you referring to? |
| [18:26:00] | laga_: | sphery: yay |
| [18:26:01] | hume: | wagnerrp, right, frontend, program guide, shows nothing |
| [18:26:25] | hume: | I recognize this from setting up my first backend, but cannot recall how I solved it |
| [18:26:34] | wagnerrp: | you scanned... digital channels? |
| [18:26:39] | sphery: | hume: you need to specify the xmltvid |
| [18:26:46] | hume: | yes, digital cahnnels |
| [18:26:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, go into mythtv-setup, channel editor |
| [18:27:10] | GlemSom: | By lookint at the mythtv wiki – i see this dvb-c card is tested with mythtv ("Technotrend C1501 ")... So, I guess buying that card should be a safe bet? |
| [18:27:11] | wagnerrp: | you have to define the xmltvid for each channel, before it will update off the SD files |
| [18:27:43] | hume: | in mythwe, in the view for settings – tv, where the channels are listed, there is a column for xmltvid, and there are values in them |
| [18:27:59] | hume: | going to mythtv-setup, channel editor too.. |
| [18:28:05] | sphery: | laga_: no patches in particular. Just see a lot of people who submit patches and then get upset that they're not immediately applied--I don't understand that thinking as, if you have a patch, you can use it... |
| [18:28:28] | hume: | what to do in channel editor? |
| [18:28:36] | sphery: | hume: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup |
| [18:29:18] | sphery: | GlemSom: there are no safe bets when it comes to Linux/MythTV hardware. :) |
| [18:29:26] | laga_: | sphery: heh. indeed |
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| [18:30:09] | GlemSom: | sphery, heh ok :P... But – at least I should have a fair chance of getting it to work then :P |
| [18:30:27] | ** sphery doesn't want to be the guy you blame when it doesn't work, so he stays quiet ** | |
| [18:31:08] | RDV_Linux: | I have been trying to use avidemux to perform loss less edits of HD-PVR files with AC3 audio. Things are very close. See details at http://avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=30381#p30381 |
| [18:31:28] | sphery: | GlemSom: I'm not saying it won't work, just saying that I'll leave any decision-making to you. :) |
| [18:32:14] | GlemSom: | heh fair :) |
| [18:33:06] | RDV_Linux: | One problem with MythTV is that the recorded mpg files do not have accurate frame counts. This negatively effects the avidemux edits. The frame counts are accurate if you record straight from the hdpvr driver with "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg". |
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| [18:34:20] | RDV_Linux: | I am using the SVN of MythTV plus patches. Recording is working well. The only issue are the inaccurate frame counts. |
| [18:36:02] | wagnerrp: | svn version of myth... meaning? |
| [18:36:30] | sphery: | probably trunk, I'm guessing |
| [18:36:31] | Dagmar: | You gotta be more specific than that |
| [18:38:16] | hume: | sphery, great – as I understand it it is the frequency-id i need to set. But where do I find the frequencies? |
| [18:38:49] | sphery: | hume: frequency id is determined during the scan |
| [18:39:02] | sphery: | you just need to match a particular channel with an xmltvid |
| [18:39:20] | sphery: | if you're using SD, getting xmltvid is easy (right on the SD view/edit lineup page) |
| [18:39:39] | hume: | sphery, I get lost. i loaded a channels.conf before scan – can I use values from that channels.conf? |
| [18:39:41] | hume: | SD? |
| [18:39:49] | justinh: | schedules direct |
| [18:39:50] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct |
| [18:39:59] | RDV_Linux: | SVN – Checked out revision 18186 (Release 0.22) with http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /235030.html pathces |
| [18:40:00] | hume: | ehr? this is sweden.... |
| [18:40:04] | sphery: | hume: using the MythTV channel scanner is the best approach for scanning |
| [18:40:12] | sphery: | hume: any other approach and I can't help |
| [18:40:13] | justinh: | hume: if scanning isn't working, report it as a bug |
| [18:40:27] | hume: | sphery, yes, i did use myth to scan, but needed to load a channels.conf to get started |
| [18:40:38] | justinh: | importing channels.conf files doesn't get enough information into mythtv-setup to make stuff work |
| [18:40:50] | sphery: | hume: if you have a multi-proc system (multi-core or multi-chip), you may need to pin the mythtv-setup process to a single core using taskset |
| [18:41:18] | sphery: | hume: as justinh said, so, use the mythtv-setup channel scanner |
| [18:41:27] | hume: | well, i did... |
| [18:41:32] | justinh: | myth could really do with some better dvb-s docs |
| [18:41:40] | sphery: | hume: best bet is to start over and do it right: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [18:41:47] | justinh: | I take it you are using dvb-s hume |
| [18:41:52] | hume: | dvb-c |
| [18:42:01] | hume: | comhem, sweden |
| [18:42:13] | justinh: | ahh stupid cable providers doing nonstandard stuff |
| [18:42:16] | justinh: | as usual |
| [18:42:26] | justinh: | still, if the inbuilt scanner isn't working, report it |
| [18:42:38] | sphery: | I think there was a recent patch for Swedish DVB-C |
| [18:43:09] | hume: | hang on: in the mythtv-setup, when I try to scan for channels, i just choose "full search" – then it reports "error reading parameters" |
| [18:43:27] | hume: | i was told here to use a starting frequency |
| [18:44:27] | hume: | what I did, finally, was to load a channels.conf, and then start search, and it searches and finds channels....is that wrong? |
| [18:45:06] | justinh: | you can use a channels.conf file to look inside to find initial tuning parameters |
| [18:45:48] | justinh: | anyhow – what exactly is the problem? None of your channels have xmltvids? |
| [18:45:57] | justinh: | a quick thing to use to add them is mythweb |
| [18:46:11] | hume: | justinh, problem: program guide and mythweb program guide shows no data |
| [18:46:28] | justinh: | did you set up xmltv in mythtv-setup? |
| [18:46:48] | hume: | some of the listed channels, I look now in mythweb, do have xmltvid, but not all |
| [18:47:10] | hume: | justinh, yes, i choose a grabber, if that is what you mean |
| [18:47:14] | justinh: | two things you need for xmltv to work |
| [18:47:22] | hume: | ok...what? |
| [18:47:29] | justinh: | 1. the correct xmltvid in the channel table within the database |
| [18:48:03] | justinh: | 2. the correct xmltvids in a file within /home/$user-which-mythbackend-runs-as/.mythtv/$video_source_name.xmltv |
| [18:48:53] | hume: | ok... a question: in a page I was looking at, the guy was instructing on how to set frequency-id to make this work – is that wrong? |
| [18:49:39] | justinh: | yes |
| [18:50:17] | hume: | ok, so I skip frequency-id for now. The file $video_source_name.xmltv in my .mythtv folder is empty – how come? |
| [18:50:41] | justinh: | because you didn't run mythtv-setup as the user mythbackend should run as |
| [18:51:38] | justinh: | most howto guides seem to omit that |
| [18:51:54] | hume: | ehr? ran from the menu, but that is sudo..? |
| [18:51:58] | hume: | ubuntu hardy |
| [18:52:14] | hume: | so: as user but sudo, i'd gather |
| [18:52:44] | hume: | just a feeling: can this have to do with me living in sweden and xmltv being not the same here? |
| [18:52:51] | justinh: | no |
| [18:53:05] | justinh: | what user did you run mythtv-setup as? |
| [18:53:16] | hume: | my main user... called magnund |
| [18:53:17] | justinh: | the .xmltv file should be in ~/.mythtv/ |
| [18:53:18] | hume: | magnus |
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| [18:54:43] | hume: | there are two users on the system, plus root. only this magnus has an xxx.xmltv file |
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| [18:54:55] | justinh: | no 'mythtv' user? |
| [18:55:07] | justinh: | have you installed from source or something? |
| [18:55:18] | hume: | yes, a mythtv-user as well, but no xxx.xmltv file in that users .mythtv folder |
| [18:55:25] | hume: | no source, just ubuntu packages |
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| [18:56:18] | justinh: | the reason the location of the .xmltv file is important is so that when mythbackend calls mythfilldatabase (which it does by default), the user mythbackend runs as can pass the .xmltv file to the grabber so it knows which channels to grab |
| [18:56:33] | hume: | ok... |
| [18:56:52] | hume: | i ran a locate .xmltv – there are no files with this pattern anywhere except in user magnus folder |
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| [18:57:34] | justinh: | and – if you have xmltvids defined in that file which aren't in the channel table, you'll end up with channels that have guide data but are useless because myth can't tune them |
| [18:57:58] | justinh: | because mythfilldatabase will insert them for you – obviously without any tuning information etc ;) |
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| [18:58:41] | justinh: | another thing howto guides miss out |
| [18:59:16] | hume: | so what can I do? |
| [18:59:21] | justinh: | hume: you should be able to copy the .xmltv file to the /home/mythtv/.mythtv folder |
| [18:59:44] | hume: | ok |
| [18:59:48] | justinh: | and, those useless channels won't be added until mythfilldatabase is run |
| [18:59:49] | hume: | but it is empty? |
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| [18:59:52] | hume: | ok |
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| [18:59:58] | justinh: | is it? |
| [19:00:01] | hume: | let me try |
| [19:00:10] | hume: | yes, completely empty |
| [19:00:24] | justinh: | something tells me that the configuring xmltv stage didn't go well |
| [19:00:33] | hume: | where is that stage? |
| [19:00:37] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup |
| [19:00:56] | hume: | yes.. i got that...but where? can I return to it? |
| [19:00:56] | justinh: | within 'Video Sources' |
| [19:01:02] | justinh: | yes |
| [19:01:45] | hume: | ok... entering Video Sources starts a search for installed xmltv grabbers, and then presents a screen |
| [19:02:23] | justinh: | usually you're asked a bunch of questions about which channels you want to support |
| [19:02:56] | hume: | there, tv.swedb.se is chosen as grabber, and I can select to do an EIT search – do I want that? |
| [19:03:02] | justinh: | no |
| [19:03:16] | jwhite: | anyone run into a problem where programs downloaded from SD which have a blank sub-title or description will have their description filled in with the description from a random other show? (For me, the classic case is SNL) |
| [19:03:19] | justinh: | maybe there's no configuration process for that grabber |
| [19:03:58] | hume: | nothing for that grabber here..... but when I run mythfilldatabase --manual later, there is – i have to choose which programs |
| [19:04:56] | justinh: | is that howto you were following earlier in English? |
| [19:06:56] | hume: | which? that was talking about frequency-ids? |
| [19:07:38] | hume: | here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup |
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| [19:09:21] | Eypone: | hey snakker i om DVB-c tuning`? |
| [19:10:07] | justinh: | oh FFS not another 'now here's what I did to totally fucking confuse myself and now I'll confuse you' page |
| [19:10:44] | hume: | Eypone, if "tuning" means to get program data into the machine and to be displayed – yes |
| [19:11:27] | justinh: | since deleting pages is considered vandalism I'll just leave it |
| [19:11:41] | Eypone: | hey ment if you where taking about DVB-C tuning of channels |
| [19:12:30] | justinh: | hume: iv you rub the tv grabber with --configure what happens? |
| [19:12:54] | justinh: | er.. if you run the tv grabber with --configure.. |
| [19:13:09] | hume: | hang on.. how exactly? |
| [19:13:33] | justinh: | tv.swe.se --configure |
| [19:13:39] | justinh: | or whatever it's called |
| [19:13:52] | hume: | ok |
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| [19:16:05] | justinh: | what usually happens when you run an xmltv grabber with --configure is that it asks a bunch of questions so it knows what channels to grab |
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| [19:16:33] | justinh: | if your grabber doesn't.. maybe it just grabs info for all channels by default |
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| [19:17:00] | justinh: | in which case you'd only want the xmltvids for the channels in the database – and to be able to do that you have to find out what those are. |
| [19:17:32] | justinh: | that SHOULD be found in a channel_ids file in /usr/share/xmltv/$grabber/ |
| [19:18:17] | justinh: | digital TV actually makes setting up xmltv harder than it should be |
| [19:18:22] | sphery: | ???? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /235414.html |
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| [19:20:04] | justinh: | heh. see also http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /235406.html for a WTF |
| [19:20:35] | sphery: | the weird part is that sender of the one I linked actually does use the list... |
| [19:21:08] | justinh: | spam? SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYM? |
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| [19:21:53] | sphery: | Saw the MSN one. At least that one--though not really a MythTV thing--could be considered something useful to see on your Myth box. |
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| [19:22:39] | justinh: | yeah I really want people who I can't effing stand to bug me when I'm watching tv |
| [19:22:55] | justinh: | can't imagine how much fun entering IM text with a remote will be too :D |
| [19:23:18] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:23:56] | justinh: | then again, I know people who are sad enough who can't live without their IM |
| [19:24:10] | ** justinh is on the bog ** | |
| [19:24:14] | ** justinh is flushing ** | |
| [19:24:15] | sphery: | I've considered having my IRC client send messages to my Myth frontend that result in a sound (since I'm almost always listening to music through it) and an xosd message when I get a message from certain people, though it would be heavily filtered. |
| [19:24:19] | ** justinh is washing his hands ** | |
| [19:24:23] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:25:00] | iamlindoro_: | naw, naw, you change your nick for that |
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| [19:25:32] | iamlindoro_: | ie iamlindoro_toilet, iamlindoro_poopyhands, iamlindoro_squeakyclean |
| [19:26:25] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [19:27:18] | justinh: | sphery: interesting point though, cos when I first heard about convergence I did actually envision desktop functionality on my TV |
| [19:27:32] | justinh: | so true convergence would probably include some kind of IM |
| [19:27:49] | Dagmar: | sphery: If you could patch things so that the OSD popups could come at any time (even when menus are up) OMG |
| [19:27:57] | justinh: | ZOMG TEH MythFaceB00k pluginz! |
| [19:28:05] | Dagmar: | er s/OMG/ you would be my bestest friend evar |
| [19:28:10] | sphery: | Dagmar: gbee's working it as part of the mythui rework |
| [19:28:19] | Dagmar: | The OMG was about an email that just hit the MythTV-users ML |
| [19:28:25] | sphery: | so, I guess he's your BFF |
| [19:28:28] | Dagmar: | I think if you look you'll know which one |
| [19:28:39] | Dagmar: | Someone misposted something |
| [19:28:44] | justinh: | yeah make room for a scrolly info panel themer dudes |
| [19:28:45] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, see my 10.06 15:18:22 < sphery> ???? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /235414.html |
| [19:28:57] | justinh: | on all screens, or die! |
| [19:29:13] | sphery: | Dagmar: though, the xosd popup would actually display whether in video or menus--just not themeable |
| [19:29:18] | Dagmar: | sphery: Yep. That'st he one |
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| [19:29:55] | justinh: | doogy walk time |
| [19:30:15] | sphery: | shouldn't your nick change, now: justinh_doggywalk |
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| [19:30:55] | justinh is now known as justinh1 | |
| [19:31:05] | Dagmar: | sphery: What they need is someone like me, who has a history of hitting people. |
| [19:31:05] | justinh1 is now known as justin-onepointo | |
| [19:31:08] | Dagmar: | Or maybe a lot of people like me |
| [19:31:32] | justin-onepointo is now known as justinh | |
| [19:31:37] | justinh: | damn damn damn |
| [19:32:00] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, I couldn't figure out that post at all--even reading it as a spammer's post |
| [19:32:23] | justinh: | hrm. that generic info plugin could have legs. might have to start that soon. |
| [19:32:28] | justinh: | anyhoo... doggy! |
| [19:32:47] | Dagmar: | sphery: Well, it's clear the guy has a problem, but.... he doesn't speak English well and he sucks at reporting. |
| [19:33:14] | Dagmar: | sphery: Simple solution, find pimps, beat them senseless. If that doesn't work, beat hookers senseless, then beat pimps senseless again. |
| [19:33:29] | Dagmar: | Beatings should continue until behaviour improves. |
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| [20:24:56] | dashcloud: | I'm looking for users of the flash video part so I can share some findings and hopefully fine tune my setup |
| [20:27:38] | kormoc: | dashcloud, I use it |
| [20:29:14] | dashcloud: | from some brief testing, adding -sameq seems to give me youtube (low-def) quality |
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| [20:29:56] | dashcloud: | quality is greatly improved over the default |
| [20:30:11] | kormoc: | yeah, it would |
| [20:31:12] | dashcloud: | should I be worried about the numerous apache2 processes that have spawned from my testing attempts? |
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| [20:32:32] | kormoc: | dashcloud, well, in theory they should shutdown when you browse away from the page, but at times they do not. We have been unable to really reproduce in a controlled manor to get a better fix. the best thing is to kill all the ffmpeg processes if they're still running and unneeded |
| [20:32:45] | kormoc: | but worse comes to worse, they'll shutdown after the transcode is done |
| [20:34:37] | dashcloud: | I have no trouble reproducing it- I just watch part of a video, check if it looks any better (or worse), than click stop, change settings, and repeat |
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| [20:36:55] | kormoc: | so you're not refreshing the page or navigating away from the player? |
| [20:40:04] | th1: | I sometimes get "table crashed" errors in my MythTV's Mysql, leading to strange behaviours/bugs in Myth. Is there a way for a conjob to reliably detect/report those? I have debian's standard mysqlfix job running but it seems to "overlook" the affected tables |
| [20:40:15] | th1: | s/conjob/cronjob/ ;) |
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| [20:42:49] | dashcloud: | I open the video's page in a tab- I usually close the tab when finished |
| [20:42:57] | dashcloud: | rarely, I do refresh the page |
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| [20:43:57] | dashcloud: | my workflow is: go to recorded programs, pick a show, open the episode's page in a new tab, watch part of it, click stop, and close tab |
| [20:49:13] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [20:49:16] | kormoc: | that should terminate it |
| [20:49:22] | kormoc: | but I wonder if the stop is causing it |
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| [20:49:31] | kormoc: | if you don't stop it, just close the tab, does the process term correctly? |
| [20:50:13] | kormoc: | th1, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ze_mythdb.pl |
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| [21:08:27] | high-rez: | Guys, there's a page that lists the myth lock status codes e.g. (LAM) and what they mean somewhere but I can't find it offhand. Anyone here know what it is ? |
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| [21:10:21] | kormoc: | high-rez, it's in the wiki somewhere |
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| [21:30:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ugh... I bought a 20x2 OLED 'lcd' display via a Hong Kong seller on ebay on the 19th — it's stuck in Customs... DOH! |
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| [21:32:24] | sphery: | kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1221070 --differences are the Extra: 'Using where; Using index; Using filesort' vs 'Using index' |
| [21:32:26] | oobe: | hey anyone remember yesterday when i was having problems with day light savings and my guide data it wasnt mythtv that was accurate it was mythweb i needed to update and import a new php timezone |
| [21:32:36] | oobe: | just in case it ever comes up |
| [21:33:49] | sphery: | oobe: Eventually MythWeb will detect and fix time zone issues. Currently waiting on a backend patch to be applied. |
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| [21:38:07] | kormoc: | sphery, so Using filesort tells you that it's actually doing a second pass over the result set to order it, Using where says it's limiting the in-memory result set with the where conditions, using index says it's hitting the index to get the rows |
| [21:38:43] | kormoc: | sphery, so in this case, the first one is making a memory table of the result set via the index, and then doing a second pass to sort it before returning |
| [21:38:58] | kormoc: | the second one only does a index scan and returns that |
| [21:39:29] | kormoc: | (cause the where conditions are all part of the key it's using I believe) |
| [21:40:38] | sphery: | Interesting. I've never tried to optimize SQL before--closest I've come is realizing that an approach which made a query take 6 mins was not as good as an approach which made it take < 1 sec, but for that, it was pretty easy to tell the difference. :) |
| [21:41:08] | kormoc: | if you graph memory usage, the select mark will also use quite a bit more memory during it's life span :) |
| [21:41:12] | sphery: | (that was, specifically, when doing the code to clean up the recorded* tables from the housekeeper) |
| [21:41:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: So, it sounds like MAX(mark) is the way to go. |
| [21:41:38] | kormoc: | I keep wanting to find a memory usage grapher for specific queries or write one or something |
| [21:41:50] | sphery: | that would be cool. |
| [21:42:15] | sphery: | I have a feeling there are many queries in Myth that could be better optimized. |
| [21:43:36] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yes, sounds like-- changed, still working, whoo! |
| [21:43:51] | sphery: | woohoo! |
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| [21:45:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: is this for some AVC transcoding thing? |
| [21:45:40] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: cutting, but yeah |
| [21:45:51] | sphery: | for mythtranscode or external? |
| [21:46:09] | iamlindoro_: | external-- more of a stopgap thing to temporarily cut HD-PVR output |
| [21:46:14] | sphery: | cool. |
| [21:46:30] | sphery: | gl |
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| [21:46:55] | iamlindoro_: | thanks-- I'm just scripting it, not really doing anything worth praise |
| [21:47:20] | iamlindoro_: | although mythcommflag -> avidemux project file is enough to drive a man insane |
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| [21:48:24] | sphery: | IMHO, work that benefits others is always worthy of praise |
| [21:49:18] | sphery: | and, to some extent, work that's known to be for a temporary fix may be even more praiseworthy (as I find it hard to do work when I know it will be thrown out soon) |
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| [22:02:21] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | mythconverg & mythbackend could certainly use some heavy duty optimizin' |
| [22:02:59] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | A German holiday might be enough... '-) |
| [22:03:53] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...not having the scheduler data in the db also bugs me. |
| [22:04:45] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | that's #1 on my list of personal hacks for the c++ code. |
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| [22:05:10] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I think I will print out scheduler.cpp again... |
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| [22:18:20] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH_myth, hrm? It is stored in the database. record is the upcoming recordings... |
| [22:19:06] | Wicked: | bah comcast is still beating around the bush on this firewire issue..... |
| [22:19:24] | kormoc: | so take them to court |
| [22:20:13] | Wicked: | im still waiting to hear back from them. its been handed off to many ppl lol |
| [22:20:21] | Wicked: | so called "higher techs" |
| [22:20:33] | Wicked: | and now he says This is in the hands of the director of the entire video programming for the Northern New England Product Line. We are waiting for information from them and do appreciate your patience. |
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| [22:24:25] | Wicked: | interesting....hes claiming comcast does not use 5c encryption |
| [22:24:42] | Wicked: | We do not limit the port, we are checking to see if you need another box. |
| [22:27:27] | kormoc: | Comcast is a franchise, so that might be true for his franchise, but not for others |
| [22:28:10] | Wicked: | yea. |
| [22:28:28] | Wicked: | im just wondering if they will actually get my firewire working good. |
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| [22:29:05] | c0llisi0n: | Hello! I recently have been toying around with using three monitors. After setting my widescreen display as the default display, MythTV no longer scales the GUI and TV properly. |
| [22:29:10] | c0llisi0n: | It is setting it to 1600x1050 when it should be 1280x1024. |
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| [22:31:08] | sphery: | c0llisi0n: don't know how you're displaying, but if you don't want Myth to pick up the fullscreen resolution from the display on which it is set to run (or the primary display if set to display on all), you need to specify width/height in Appearance |
| [22:32:04] | c0llisi0n: | sphery, well... I have two displays that I would like to use for MythTV. One is a 4:3 LCD monitor, the other is a 16:10 LCD monitor. |
| [22:32:15] | c0llisi0n: | If it's possible, I would like MythTV to automatically scale depending on what monitor it is opened on. |
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| [22:33:12] | andreax1: | When i start mythjobqueue on a remote frontend, will it help the mbe with commflagging? |
| [22:34:19] | c0llisi0n: | sphery, I just set it for the size in Appearance which seems to have corrected the issue for the 4:3 monitor. |
| [22:34:28] | c0llisi0n: | Is there a way to have it automatically scale based on what monitor it is opened from? |
| [22:35:40] | c0llisi0n: | And now, it seems that after setting this, the TV picture has a massive letterbox. |
| [22:39:51] | sphery: | andreax1: yes, assuming you allow it to run jobs and allow jobs to run on other than the recording host |
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| [22:41:00] | sphery: | c0llisi0n: I don't know. I don't run multi-monitor for Myth as I only have one TV connected to it. |
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| [22:41:46] | andreax1: | sphery: Great. So long with myth but never thought about the possib. thx. |
| [22:42:49] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... anyone know a mysql function for finding the closest value to a given input value in a table? |
| [22:42:54] | ** kormoc wonders if that last line was babel fished or not ** | |
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| [22:46:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: Figure out the offset of each display, then start mythfrontend from a shell with "mythfrontend --geometry 1280x1024+999+888" (where 999 is your x offset and 888 is your y offset) <- that'd be for the 4:3 display... |
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| [23:00:36] | hadees: | does projectM 1.2.0 not work with trunk mythmusic? it seg faults when i try to use it |
| [23:01:04] | sphery: | TTBOMK, projectM 0.99 is the recommended version |
| [23:01:12] | sphery: | but, even with that, there are segv's galore |
| [23:01:37] | hadees: | sphery, even with trunk mythmusic? damn |
| [23:01:46] | sphery: | patches accepted |
| [23:02:06] | sphery: | For me, though, it was seriously easier just to disable all the projectM visualizers |
| [23:02:30] | hadees: | sphery, yeah i mean i don't need them but it would be nice |
| [23:02:44] | hadees: | if i were going to write a patch though it would be to fix up the mythmusic interface before the vizs |
| [23:03:06] | sphery: | I think much of that will (or has?) happen(ed) with gbee's mythui conversion |
| [23:03:36] | sphery: | though he's far less likely to work on the ProjectM stuff during that conversion |
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| [23:42:03] | oobe: | is there a way to make my frontend continue streaming while its paused so it build's a bigger buffer this would be usefull for HDTV |
| [23:45:50] | sphery: | pausing actually just stops the video and audio playback |
| [23:47:19] | sphery: | TTBOMK, it still continues streaming (and decoding). To see, start mythfrontend with -v vbi and then start playback and turn on captions/subtitles, then pause and watch the logs. You'll still see the captions/subtitles output at the right time. |
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| [23:47:48] | sphery: | oobe: but, the short answer is, no, you can't get it to do what you want because the buffer size is basically fixed |
| [23:48:08] | directhex: | fixed AND dynamic. a neat trick! |
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| [23:55:04] | dashcloud: | is there an easy way to change the flash player mythweb uses so that I can use it with the Wii (Flash 7 only)? |
| [23:56:52] | oobe: | ok thanks sphery the buffer size is fixed in the backend mythtv-setup right? |
| [23:57:12] | iamlindoro: | dashcloud, nope |
| [23:57:57] | iamlindoro: | Isn't video on the wii bad enough without watching transcoded video in a box on a box on the SD game console? |
| [23:58:51] | dashcloud: | well, considering my only other option that doesn't involving burning to a disc is hooking my laptop up to the TV, I was kinda hoping I could re-use what I have |
| [23:59:29] | iamlindoro: | laptop to the TV fttw |
| [23:59:34] | iamlindoro: | er ftw |
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