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| [00:15:10] | abqjp: | http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/604962/leadtek . . . -e-card.html |
| [00:16:34] | iamlindoro: | ugh, I'm impatient waiting for the debate |
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| [00:21:27] | Atzanteol: | No audio... "NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1 " in log. TVTime plays audio fine. Any ideas what I should look at? |
| [00:21:46] | Atzanteol: | Audio was working fine a few days ago. Not sure what changed... |
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| [00:51:15] | wagnerrp: | apparently Virgin Galactic has turned down an offer for $1M to produce sub-orbital space porn |
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| [00:59:33] | cdent: | =) |
| [00:59:58] | cdent: | if they agreed, they would have to change their name =) |
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| [01:08:15] | fryfrog: | okay, i'd seriously like to see a video of people having sex in 0 g |
| [01:08:38] | fryfrog: | do you think in the 20+ years the space shuttle has been going up with a lady on board... i wonder if they ever tried? |
| [01:10:26] | Dagmar: | Do you think babies are found under cabbage leaves? |
| [01:11:36] | fryfrog: | it could happen. person puts baby under cabbage leaf, another person finds it and says "excuse me, is this your baby i found under the cappage leaf?" |
| [01:12:57] | cdent: | Dagmar: hi, I rebuilt, but still experiencing the same issue |
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| [01:14:45] | wagnerrp: | apparently 'The Uranus Experiment' was performed on a russian vomit comet |
| [01:15:12] | wagnerrp: | although with 20 seconds at a time, i have to imagine that was an... awkward scene |
| [01:15:22] | fryfrog: | ahahhaha |
| [01:17:20] | wagnerrp: | there was some book claiming experiments on the best positions for heterosexual acts were performed on STS-75 |
| [01:17:31] | wagnerrp: | however that would have been difficult, considering that was an all-male crew |
| [01:18:37] | fryfrog: | well, they could have just pretended the positions while totally dressed and such |
| [01:18:45] | fryfrog: | pantomime, perhaps |
| [01:18:51] | fryfrog: | play acting or something else |
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| [01:39:01] | Lexridge: | Stupid question: When running mythfront from a shell on a multi-monitor system, is it possible via command line options to redirect the launching app to any of the other monitors instead of the one it was launched in? |
| [01:39:56] | wagnerrp: | is this a multiple screens? xinerama? or twinview? |
| [01:40:05] | Lexridge: | twinview |
| [01:40:21] | wagnerrp: | from the command line, you can define the size, and position of the frontend |
| [01:40:34] | wagnerrp: | its '--geometry WxH+X+Y' |
| [01:40:34] | Lexridge: | I cannot drag a window from one monitor to the other. |
| [01:40:44] | wagnerrp: | well then youre not using twinview |
| [01:40:53] | Lexridge: | hang on, lemme check |
| [01:40:55] | wagnerrp: | twinview... the computer thinks you have a single monitor |
| [01:41:00] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [01:41:03] | wagnerrp: | its something built into your video drivers |
| [01:41:21] | wagnerrp: | xinerama, you have multiple screens, but theyre all linked |
| [01:41:36] | wagnerrp: | non-xinerama, the mouse can move between screens, but applications cannot |
| [01:41:51] | Lexridge: | definetly not zinerama |
| [01:41:56] | Lexridge: | definetly not xinerama |
| [01:42:02] | wagnerrp: | each screen has a different ID, such as ':0.0', ':0.1', ':0.2' |
| [01:42:27] | Lexridge: | is there a command to show me my available screen IDs? |
| [01:42:45] | wagnerrp: | 'echo $DISPLAY' shows your current screen |
| [01:42:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what you would do to enumerate all of them |
| [01:43:27] | wagnerrp: | similarly, you can change the $DISPLAY variable to something else, and now the frontend will pop up onthe other screen |
| [01:43:40] | Lexridge: | ah, okay, each shell one each window show me a different ID. |
| [01:44:13] | Lexridge: | so, can I simply give mythfrontend a ID option? |
| [01:44:39] | wagnerrp: | 'DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend' |
| [01:44:51] | wagnerrp: | you may have to put that in quotes |
| [01:45:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the shell would like the colon |
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| [01:45:33] | Lexridge: | holy crap, that worked!!! :) |
| [01:46:04] | Lexridge: | Man, that will make my mythtv troubleshooting so much easier. |
| [01:46:23] | Lexridge: | it liked the colon just fine. |
| [01:48:34] | Lexridge: | thanks wagnerrp for help on this. |
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| [01:49:45] | jadams: | how do I find out what version of mythfrontend I'm running? mythfrontend --version gives me nothing |
| [01:50:41] | wagnerrp: | well then something is broken, it should give you about half a dozen lines |
| [01:50:50] | wagnerrp: | including branch and svn revision |
| [01:51:11] | Lexridge: | exactly! |
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| [01:51:36] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, on ubuntu systems, |
| [01:51:48] | cdent: | mythbackend --version |
| [01:51:50] | wagnerrp: | 'mythfrontend' is just a wrapper script which runs a binary somewhere else' |
| [01:52:14] | cdent: | mythfrontend --version works for me |
| [01:52:22] | jadams: | thanks, got it here: http://pastie.org/284047 |
| [01:52:24] | wagnerrp: | it should work for everyone |
| [01:52:36] | jadams: | for that version, what version of mythfrontend is necessary? |
| [01:52:43] | jadams: | the one that comes in hardy by default is too new it says |
| [01:53:10] | jadams: | cdent, wagnerrp: it can't connect to X server, maybe it does that before it throws the version out? |
| [01:53:15] | jadams: | I was just sshed in, no X tunneling |
| [01:53:48] | wagnerrp: | upgrade your backend |
| [01:54:27] | wagnerrp: | you should be running 0.21-fixes |
| [01:54:49] | jadams: | I'm running linuxmce in my home |
| [01:54:59] | jadams: | and it's unadvised to upgrade the backend there |
| [01:55:22] | jadams: | according to those guys, think they've got some patches against older sources or something? Unsure... |
| [01:55:25] | wagnerrp: | and like i said, i believe 'mythfrontend' on ubuntu is a wrapper script, rather than the actual binary |
| [01:55:39] | wagnerrp: | you need to run '--version' on the binary |
| [01:56:09] | jadams: | wagnerrp, yeah, that works as well. Thanks. |
| [01:56:55] | jadams: | I think we'll just build that version from svn |
| [01:56:56] | jadams: | thanks |
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| [01:57:41] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to get a lot of help on this channel unless youre running 0.21, 0.21-fixes, or trunk |
| [01:58:12] | jadams: | wagnerrp, that's alright, you've been plenty helpful enough |
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| [01:58:45] | jadams: | a newer linuxmce will come out soon enough, and eventually will be integrated into ubuntu |
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| [02:00:54] | Lexridge: | anyone watching the Pitt vs South Florida game? Possibly another big upset in the works. |
| [02:03:39] | Lexridge: | does anyone else get "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" on the mythfrontend when pausing live tv? |
| [02:04:44] | Lexridge: | I get about 15 per second of these errors, when paused. |
| [02:08:13] | justdave: | ya know, it'd be kinda cool if MythFrontend running in windowed mode had a resizable window (or could toggle between windowed and full-screen on the fly) |
| [02:09:42] | justdave: | should be pretty easy to pull off on the OS X version at least, since the window manager does all that view resizing for you, the screen drawing routines don't even need to know it changed |
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| [02:16:28] | wagnerrp: | thats completely wrong |
| [02:16:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is themed |
| [02:17:03] | wagnerrp: | being such, every time you change the resolution, you have to completely rescale the theme |
| [02:17:51] | wagnerrp: | at present, you would have to rewrite the entire interface |
| [02:18:12] | wagnerrp: | however mythui did recently get a complete revamp |
| [02:18:22] | wagnerrp: | and there was some talk along those lines |
| [02:18:32] | justdave: | no, you missed what I said. |
| [02:18:38] | justdave: | the window manager handles the scaling |
| [02:18:54] | justdave: | mythtv doesn't even need to know it's being scaled, just had to tell the OS it's allowed to |
| [02:18:55] | wagnerrp: | if the window manager does the scaling, it would look like crap |
| [02:19:04] | justdave: | not on OS X |
| [02:19:19] | Dagmar: | That would also mean splitting parts of the codce, increasing maintainter headaches |
| [02:19:31] | mzb_d800: | I'm just in the process of considering exporting some of my recorded movies to mythvideo |
| [02:19:31] | wagnerrp: | some stuff should be resized, other stuff should simply be repositioned |
| [02:19:34] | Dagmar: | I.e., a maintainer would probably need one of those machines as their personal unit to doit |
| [02:19:43] | wagnerrp: | if you merely scale everything, it would look like crap |
| [02:19:57] | mzb_d800: | q1: what's the best way of doing that? just copy a transcoded nuv into the video dir? |
| [02:20:03] | Dagmar: | umm... okay that I would argue against |
| [02:20:05] | wagnerrp: | most specifically, text would look horrible |
| [02:20:08] | Dagmar: | We're way past the days of bitmap fonts. |
| [02:20:28] | Dagmar: | So long as it doesn't use that craptacular mechanism Firefox used to use to show images rescaled down it would look okay on most TVs |
| [02:20:31] | mzb_d800: | q2: I can find one particular movie on imdb, but the imdb script doesn't return it's number |
| [02:20:45] | mzb_d800: | (Balto: Wolf Quest) |
| [02:20:48] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: correct, but the fonts would be rendered to the size mythtv wanted, and then would be rescaled (as a bitmap) by the WM |
| [02:20:53] | justdave: | depends on what you started with. If the starting size was full screen and it got scaled down in window mode (and scaled proportionately) it would look fine |
| [02:20:55] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: So break out the web browser and dig out it's number |
| [02:21:00] | mzb_d800: | I did |
| [02:21:12] | mzb_d800: | but it doesn't update the poster/info |
| [02:21:20] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Actually fonts don't really degrade that much when you're dealing with the size we are |
| [02:21:24] | mzb_d800: | do I have to do that manually? (somehow?) |
| [02:21:56] | Dagmar: | If you're talking about font glyph that are <12pt and so on where they practically have to be bitmaps or heavily hinted to render readable in the first place, then those would fail horrible |
| [02:22:12] | Dagmar: | ..but the stuff on our screens is at least 5–6 pixel wide stroked glyphs |
| [02:22:26] | justdave: | When I'm talking about using windowed mode, I'm talking about using it on my normal PC on the corner of the screen (or an alternate screen) while doing other work. I don't need huge quality, just need it working. :) When I want high quality, I go watch it on the HDTV hooked up to the backend server. :) |
| [02:22:54] | Dagmar: | I phrased that badly, but I suspect you get the idea |
| [02:23:16] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: At any rate, it's not like the bloody thing doesn't screw us over in the OSD anyway |
| [02:23:34] | Dagmar: | I looove seeing my OSD elements get blurry for no real reason |
| [02:23:37] | mzb_d800: | I have the movie number, but entering it does not update the poster+metadata ... what do I do? |
| [02:23:41] | Dagmar: | SVG FTW |
| [02:23:59] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Debug it or manually update that one |
| [02:24:13] | mzb_d800: | how do I do it manually? |
| [02:24:14] | Dagmar: | IMDB is under no obligation to not be robot-hostile |
| [02:24:19] | Dagmar: | o.O |
| [02:24:30] | Dagmar: | You want someone to explain to you how to right click on a movie poster and download it? |
| [02:24:32] | cdent: | Dagmar: i still have the same issue |
| [02:24:37] | mzb_d800: | enter into the db by hand? |
| [02:24:53] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: There's a metadat editor built into mythvideo |
| [02:24:57] | wagnerrp: | enter it manually in the video manager |
| [02:25:04] | mzb_d800: | gee |
| [02:25:05] | wagnerrp: | its the first option above 'search' |
| [02:25:08] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [02:25:10] | Dagmar: | cdent: Bummer |
| [02:25:12] | wagnerrp: | two options above the 'manual entry' |
| [02:25:13] | mzb_d800: | but returns nothing |
| [02:25:24] | cdent: | Dagmar: do you have any other suggestions? |
| [02:25:25] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Contact your binary maker then |
| [02:25:36] | Dagmar: | cdent: This is a HD playback problem? |
| [02:25:41] | mzb_d800: | built from 0.21-fixes |
| [02:25:49] | Dagmar: | So contact your binary maker. |
| [02:25:53] | Dagmar: | MIne works |
| [02:26:14] | cdent: | Dagmar: yes |
| [02:26:18] | Dagmar: | cdent: HD generally requires MOAR MEGAHURTS |
| [02:26:27] | Dagmar: | Very annoying, but there it is |
| [02:26:37] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: imdb.pl -M "Balto: Wolf Quest" |
| [02:26:44] | mzb_d800: | does ^^ that work for you? |
| [02:26:52] | Dagmar: | 2.4Ghz core minimum before your in a truly safe space with HD depending on what codec is being used |
| [02:26:53] | mzb_d800: | all other movies I've tried work fine |
| [02:26:53] | cdent: | Dagmar: I have an issue similiar to this one, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5749 |
| [02:27:00] | ** iamlindoro just poured a fresh infusion of MEGAHURTS into his main BE/FE this week ** | |
| [02:27:01] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: No because I don't manually invoke it ever |
| [02:27:19] | mzb_d800: | can you tell me if it works? |
| [02:27:41] | Dagmar: | Sorry, I don't run commands given to me by strangers over IRC. |
| [02:27:52] | mzb_d800: | ffs |
| [02:28:14] | cdent: | Dagmar: the posts in that thread describe their issue starting after upgrading 0.21 fixes to a higher revision, and that's how mine started too |
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| [02:28:22] | wagnerrp: | mzb_d800: if its not very close, it may return no results. ive had that happen |
| [02:28:30] | mzb_d800: | you tell me YOURS works, but can't tell me if it works for that movie? |
| [02:28:32] | wagnerrp: | but you should still be able to give it a number directly |
| [02:28:38] | Dagmar: | cdent: There's an option to turn on extry-aggressive audio buffering in the frontend setup menus that generally sorts out buffer underrun issues with sound |
| [02:28:48] | mzb_d800: | I've entered the title _exactly_ as written on imdb |
| [02:28:50] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: I don't run the thing manually, ever. |
| [02:28:59] | ** mattwj2002 ordered new mythtv hardware ** | |
| [02:29:05] | mzb_d800: | ok ... going around in circles |
| [02:29:24] | Dagmar: | AGain, there is a metadata editor in mythvideo that lets you set the thumbnail, description, etc |
| [02:29:29] | wagnerrp: | yes, ive had the video manager fail to find a movie of the exact same name as was on imdb |
| [02:29:44] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: yes ... got that (AGAIN) ... thanks |
| [02:29:47] | Dagmar: | IMDB has a lot going on to prevent the scraping we're going |
| [02:29:54] | mzb_d800: | other question is what is the best way to move recordings to mythvideo? |
| [02:30:04] | Dagmar: | It will fail, and generally it's because IMDB has diddled something meant to make scraping fail |
| [02:30:15] | cdent: | Dagmar: i've tried that, I still don't understand why XvMC would break after upgrading and not work when downgrading to a version that used to work... |
| [02:30:23] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: The answer to that question sucks. It's manually copyhing all the info over |
| [02:30:47] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: it's only the search that fails. I'm puzzled as to why manually entering the movie number does sfa... when manually running -D returns metadata. |
| [02:30:48] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Now you begin to see why I talk about things would work better if there was just one data store for all recordings, and tags were used to select which things come up in a menu' |
| [02:30:50] | wagnerrp: | mzb_d800: not quite that intensive, check out the wrapper iamlindoro wrote for the tvrage scraper |
| [02:31:14] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Look at how it invokves imdb.pl |
| [02:31:28] | Dagmar: | It's somewhere in the setup there, and it probably just passes different arguments than your'e passing |
| [02:31:30] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: I entered the command verbatim |
| [02:31:35] | mattwj2002: | yeah I'll have a 1.5 TB hd |
| [02:31:35] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:31:45] | wagnerrp: | just one? |
| [02:32:01] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [02:32:10] | wagnerrp: | aww... that wont last long |
| [02:32:27] | Dagmar: | cdent: Yeah so another reason to make packages and keep everything nice and tidy is that you can roll back sometimes |
| [02:32:29] | mattwj2002: | 1.5 is a week's worth of HD |
| [02:32:41] | cdent: | ok |
| [02:34:08] | mattwj2002: | I ordered a bunch of other hardware too |
| [02:35:11] | mattwj2002: | I got a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ |
| [02:35:25] | mattwj2002: | processor a motherboard |
| [02:36:03] | mattwj2002: | DVD buner, case, thermal compound and 2 GB of RAM |
| [02:36:29] | mattwj2002: | *burner |
| [02:36:32] | wagnerrp: | usually decent heatsinks come with thermal compound |
| [02:37:05] | mattwj2002: | I'll probably use the standard heatsink |
| [02:37:25] | wagnerrp: | the stock heatsink usually has a pre-applied layer of compound |
| [02:37:38] | mattwj2002: | really? |
| [02:38:00] | mattwj2002: | your joking right |
| [02:38:02] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [02:38:23] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:38:24] | plantain_: | All intel processors I've bought have |
| [02:38:49] | plantain_: | Only ever had second hand AMD's though |
| [02:38:55] | mattwj2002: | well either way I bought compond |
| [02:39:00] | mattwj2002: | *compound |
| [02:39:06] | mattwj2002: | I love AMD |
| [02:39:20] | plantain_: | Why? :/ |
| [02:39:25] | plantain_: | They're miles behind at the moment |
| [02:39:31] | wagnerrp: | AS5 is considerably better than anything you would get with a heatsink anyway |
| [02:39:40] | plantain_: | Don't overclock well, run hot, performance is still subpar |
| [02:39:41] | mattwj2002: | with the top end your right they are behind |
| [02:39:53] | mattwj2002: | but you get more features for your dollar |
| [02:40:57] | Dagmar: | nonsensate |
| [02:41:23] | Dagmar: | Only loons and people who have infinite money value hardware by how well it overclocks. |
| [02:41:46] | Dagmar: | ...and there is no "par" so performance can not be below par. |
| [02:41:47] | mattwj2002: | yeah I don't over clock so that doesn't mean anything for me |
| [02:42:40] | plantain_: | Well when you put intel as 'par', clock for clock, AMD is slower... in the same way they used to be faster |
| [02:42:57] | Dagmar: | No, they're not, unfortunately. |
| [02:43:11] | Dagmar: | They run differently, ys. |
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| [02:47:27] | plantain_: | And what's your evidence that they aren't? There's several benchmarks that say otherwise |
| [02:47:41] | Dagmar: | Really. Cite some. |
| [02:48:08] | Dagmar: | Because all the ones I've seen show the performance for price points to be within +/- 5%. |
| [02:48:18] | ** mattwj2002 breaks up the fight ** | |
| [02:48:50] | mattwj2002: | so who do you think will be the first to do 8 cores? |
| [02:49:03] | iamlindoro: | Intel |
| [02:49:19] | plantain_: | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 96631,00.jpg http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 96642,00.jpg http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 96635,00.jpg http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 96623,00.jpg |
| [02:49:21] | mattwj2002: | they will clearly be the fastest when that happens |
| [02:49:23] | Dagmar: | ...with the notable exception of whoever is in "the lead" (in newbspeak) where the other competitor isn't bothering with releasing a model, so the company that *is* charges a premium which fails to make it price-for-performance competitive with the lower third |
| [02:49:26] | Lexridge: | AMD is already testing them, so I've read. |
| [02:49:34] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there already some sun 8-core chip? |
| [02:49:37] | plantain_: | mattwj2002: There's already the octocore Intel Macs... |
| [02:49:54] | wagnerrp: | plantain_: thats dual processor, quad core |
| [02:49:59] | mattwj2002: | right with multiple processors though right? |
| [02:49:59] | Lexridge: | yea, but isn't that simply two dual core processors? |
| [02:50:08] | mattwj2002: | I am talking one chip 8 cores |
| [02:50:15] | Dagmar: | SMP with >8 CPUs is nothing particularly new |
| [02:50:17] | mzb_d800: | and when it comes down to it ... it's prob. more important to just stick with what YOU THE USER is comfortable with ;) |
| [02:50:18] | Lexridge: | I don't think apple has anything like that yet. |
| [02:50:28] | Dagmar: | I had to ride herd over a machine with 32 CPUs in it back in the 90's |
| [02:50:41] | mzb_d800: | iirc: the mac pro has 2x quad core cpu's as an option |
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| [02:51:01] | Dagmar: | Such systems are not meant for home users, or even useful to home users, which makes them unimportant to this forum |
| [02:51:17] | mzb_d800: | "decree by Dagmar" |
| [02:51:18] | Lexridge: | and they draw tons of power |
| [02:51:22] | mattwj2002: | 32 cores would be great for encoding |
| [02:51:28] | plantain_: | It won't be long before they'll be a whole lot more relevant |
| [02:51:29] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, the stock option on the Mac Pro is 8 core |
| [02:51:36] | mattwj2002: | assuming the HD could keep up |
| [02:51:38] | iamlindoro: | We have a few dozen of those at work |
| [02:51:43] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: what encoder do you know of that is multi-threaded? |
| [02:51:49] | plantain_: | it's getting tricky to get a single core processor as it is |
| [02:51:50] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Word 2008 may be a resource hog, but that doesn't mean it can thread enough to go much faster on a 4-way core arrangement |
| [02:51:50] | iamlindoro: | 2 x Quad 2.8 Ghz Xeon IIRC |
| [02:51:52] | mzb_d800: | ffmpeg |
| [02:51:53] | mattwj2002: | isn't mythtv's ? |
| [02:51:56] | plantain_: | wagnerrp: x264? |
| [02:52:08] | Lexridge: | actually, this chip would be ideal for encoding: http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/604962/leadtek . . . -e-card.html |
| [02:52:09] | wagnerrp: | x264 allows for multiple slices, with one thread for each slice |
| [02:52:21] | Dagmar: | You really need to have multiple complex tasks, and lots of them, to make efficient use of >8 cores right now |
| [02:52:25] | wagnerrp: | but each slice is encoded separately, which cuts compressability |
| [02:52:44] | wagnerrp: | too many cores, and youve sliced up the video beyond usefulness |
| [02:52:49] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: So sayeth the guy who sits in the room next to a >1000 node cluster 40 hours a week |
| [02:52:57] | plantain_: | wagnerrp: Even still, it's almost a linear speed increase, and the decrease in compressability is miniscule |
| [02:53:05] | mzb_d800: | whatever |
| [02:53:26] | mzb_d800: | I'm sure *some* users would have a use for an 8-core machine at home |
| [02:53:35] | Dagmar: | I could find one |
| [02:53:39] | Dagmar: | ...but then I compile a lot of shit. |
| [02:53:40] | mzb_d800: | me too ;) |
| [02:53:58] | Dagmar: | 64-cores, no... I don't think there's too many Makefiles that could fork that broadly |
| [02:54:00] | mattwj2002: | folding at home....80 cores would be nice |
| [02:54:02] | plantain_: | It's about 0.005dB signal loss for dual processor with x264 |
| [02:54:03] | mzb_d800: | my xen-server would be great with 8 cores ;) |
| [02:54:14] | mattwj2002: | you would need a nuclear reactor to power it though |
| [02:54:15] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:54:24] | wagnerrp: | 0.005db signal loss? what are you talking about? |
| [02:54:31] | plantain_: | keeping in mind 0.1dB is generally considered too small to see |
| [02:54:32] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It's the weed talking |
| [02:54:35] | mzb_d800: | so I'm not talking about the "single application" environment you're referring to |
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| [02:54:37] | plantain_: | err, PSNR |
| [02:55:00] | plantain_: | Call it weed if you want, I call it mplayer documentation http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-x264.html |
| [02:55:08] | Dagmar: | There's this little letter in math called 'e' that represents the value of image degradation nicely |
| [02:55:09] | Lexridge: | How can you have signal loss in a digital enviroment? |
| [02:55:13] | plantain_: | "If you have a multi-processor machine, you should really consider using it as it can to increase encoding speed linearly with the number of CPU cores (about 94% per CPU core), with very little quality reduction (about 0.005dB for dual processor, about 0.01dB for a quad processor machine)." |
| [02:55:37] | Dagmar: | Well, it's on the internets so it must be true and not oversimplified or anythuing |
| [02:55:54] | plantain_: | So who do you 'trust', if you don't trust the official mplayer documentation? |
| [02:56:02] | plantain_: | Lexridge: It's a measure of the compressed product versus the original input |
| [02:56:04] | Dagmar: | I trust math. |
| [02:56:28] | mzb_d800: | unless you've got an FPU bug ;) |
| [02:56:31] | mattwj2002: | so would 8 cores be 0.02? |
| [02:56:33] | Lexridge: | plantain_: oh, ic |
| [02:56:39] | clev: | mzb_d800: or you dont have a fpu on the core |
| [02:56:49] | mattwj2002: | 80 cores 0.2 ? |
| [02:56:59] | Dagmar: | Notably, decibels aren't that useful a measurement for this |
| [02:57:03] | wagnerrp: | i know what i was thinking of, Sun Niagara T2... 8-core chip |
| [02:57:10] | ** mzb_d800 turns his FPU off and goes back to a pencil ** | |
| [02:57:22] | Dagmar: | ...particularly since the output is not tied to the media. |
| [02:57:22] | wagnerrp: | Intel and AMD both lost that one |
| [02:57:33] | wagnerrp: | of course the Cell is a 9-core chip |
| [02:57:36] | plantain_: | 0.2 is just becoming visible |
| [02:57:40] | clev: | mzb_d800: i have a 486 sx computer here, the fpu is toast:P |
| [02:57:43] | Dagmar: | Suuuure it is |
| [02:57:56] | mzb_d800: | I've probably got a few of those around |
| [02:58:02] | mattwj2002: | your right now using a 486 sx? |
| [02:58:03] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:58:10] | mattwj2002: | that is fast enough for irc? |
| [02:58:11] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:58:14] | Dagmar: | With a video of a black cat in a black featureless room, .5dB could mean you don't see the cat, or that the room is slightly less dark than it was before. |
| [02:58:26] | clev: | mzb_d800: i tried to run duke nukem but i dont have enough ram! |
| [02:58:27] | mzb_d800: | ... certainly some 386 co-pros (ps/2–80 iirc) |
| [02:58:37] | plantain_: | Dagmar: Well dB is widely used in both image and video compression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSNR |
| [02:58:53] | clev: | Dagmar: my bigest problem with dark scenes/rooms, they screw with the comm flagge! |
| [02:58:56] | Dagmar: | You've never sat down and written an image compressor. |
| [02:59:12] | plantain_: | And you wrote x264 did you? |
| [02:59:20] | Dagmar: | dB is useful to analog, it's not so useful for a digital representation of an image. |
| [02:59:24] | clev: | mattwj2002: im on my 2.9ghz celeron right now:P |
| [02:59:30] | Dagmar: | plantain_: No but I've had to write a JPG implementation from scratch. |
| [02:59:46] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [02:59:52] | plantain_: | Which is relevant to x264 how? |
| [03:00:17] | mattwj2002: | well I am off to bed |
| [03:00:17] | Dagmar: | Because it means I understand quantizing image data and you apparently don't. |
| [03:00:27] | mattwj2002: | I'll let you guys know how my new box turns out |
| [03:00:28] | mzb_d800: | compression, noise and image quality? |
| [03:00:32] | mattwj2002: | good night all :) |
| [03:00:35] | Dagmar: | There IS a value after which you simply stop processing |
| [03:00:51] | Dagmar: | ...because it's below the threshold you've set in advance. |
| [03:00:59] | ** mzb_d800 decides to go and measure the size of something else ** | |
| [03:01:03] | Dagmar: | Did you do any calculus and trig in college? |
| [03:01:09] | Dagmar: | I'm not being snide about this. |
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| [03:01:12] | Dagmar: | It's actually relevant |
| [03:01:38] | Dagmar: | Take for instance converting a set of points to a formula representing a curve. |
| [03:01:44] | plantain_: | How is this at all relevant to the compressability of x264 across multiple cores? |
| [03:02:09] | Dagmar: | You don't just bang on the numbers forever until you've got a long formula that intersects every point on that line exactly. |
| [03:02:24] | Dagmar: | It's not. Your'e the one that wants to talk about multiple core slicing. |
| [03:02:30] | clev: | im guessing that multi threaded compression may be forced to make 1 slice/core |
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| [03:02:50] | clev: | and the way the slices combine back together would be worse quality then single sliced data(non sliced) |
| [03:03:11] | Dagmar: | Well, it's more a matter of how much time each slice takes to compute |
| [03:03:20] | iamlindoro: | It'll quickly become less relevant if Alex Strange will just get the frame-based stuff merged |
| [03:03:34] | iamlindoro: | Which will allow frame-based encode as well as decode |
| [03:03:37] | clev: | something i was thinking about for multi core encoding without a loss |
| [03:03:43] | clev: | encode totaly seperate sections |
| [03:03:43] | Dagmar: | Yuck |
| [03:03:51] | Dagmar: | You ALWAYS lose image when you encode |
| [03:03:57] | clev: | i know |
| [03:04:03] | clev: | but to loose less when you multi core encode |
| [03:04:06] | wagnerrp: | not if you use a lossless encoder |
| [03:04:07] | Dagmar: | It's how much image loss that's considered acceptable that dictates how much time is spent |
| [03:04:18] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: We're not dealing in any such beasties tho |
| [03:04:31] | clev: | Dagmar: didnt somebody here say that encoding with 10 cores is worse quality then 1 core? |
| [03:04:32] | Dagmar: | ...not for video anyway |
| [03:04:53] | Dagmar: | clev: Not that I'm aware of |
| [03:05:08] | clev: | [02 21:56:58] <plantain_> "If you have a multi-processor machine, you should really consider using it as it can to increase encoding speed linearly with the number of CPU cores (about 94% per CPU core), with very little quality reduction (about 0.005dB for dual processor, about 0.01dB for a quad processor machine)." |
| [03:05:13] | wagnerrp: | clev: more that you get to the point where the number of cores you throw at a task is just too excessive |
| [03:05:14] | Dagmar: | The math for moving video is REALLY annoying shit |
| [03:05:18] | Wicked: | does anyone in here know how i can convert recordings to x264 or xvid? everyway i try is broken and doesnt work |
| [03:05:44] | clev: | wagnerrp: iw as just thinking, if you gave each core its own chunk of 30 seconds, then it could do a normal best effort job on the whole stretch |
| [03:05:53] | Dagmar: | clev: Sounds like they're doing something to limit the amount of cpu time spent on each chunk there |
| [03:06:09] | clev: | but then you would need to buffer 300 seconds to get a job for 10 cores |
| [03:06:17] | clev: | which is 5mins |
| [03:06:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah which makes playback fun |
| [03:06:32] | wagnerrp: | clev: technically, you could do a fast first pass, map out where you want your frame types, and split at ever I frame |
| [03:06:50] | Dagmar: | clever: Remember, with a JPG you're quantizing down one frame |
| [03:06:59] | clev: | Dagmar: im saying you can reassemble the 30 sec chunks afterwards to make a normal stream |
| [03:07:08] | Dagmar: | With the *video* stuff we're using, the video would still be hellishly large if each frame were handled separately |
| [03:07:14] | clev: | aslong as each starts on a key frame, or you specialy reencode the 1st to cut together |
| [03:07:26] | clev: | wagnerrp: exactly what i was thinking |
| [03:07:40] | clev: | the problem is that you cant do that to a stream in realtime |
| [03:07:53] | clev: | so you cant realy use the method to shrink an HD channel at the cable co |
| [03:07:59] | Dagmar: | So, you can slice thing up all you like, but in between the frames that are a whole image, you have to decode/encode each one fully before you can do the next |
| [03:08:02] | clev: | without inducing massive delays |
| [03:08:26] | clev: | ive delt with RAW video files before once |
| [03:08:33] | Dagmar: | ...meaning if you want many slices to go fast, you need a fuckton of full image frames. |
| [03:08:40] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: but if youre doing it over a full show, youre going to end up with a couple thousand I frames you can divide between |
| [03:08:41] | Dagmar: | ...which means more work all around |
| [03:09:25] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: This is part of why I consider what's in the mplayer docs to be a little suspect |
| [03:09:40] | Dagmar: | There's no reason why that should change the target accuracy |
| [03:10:38] | Dagmar: | I did pretty well at statistics, but I hit a fucking wall trying to find a good "universal" way to deal with slicing up audio/video for streaming P2P |
| [03:11:24] | Dagmar: | ...and I mean bt-style streaming |
| [03:11:43] | clev: | live streaming or pack up a whole file and stream it on demand? |
| [03:11:49] | Dagmar: | RA kinda had a nifty thing in the way they interleaved at least |
| [03:12:50] | Dagmar: | Slicing it for streaming, slicing it for encoding. The problems don't seem to be very different from one another |
| [03:13:23] | Dagmar: | It all comes down to needing HUGE buffers the more potential slices one adds |
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| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | if you do a 2-pass encode, you already do all the necessary slicing in the first pass |
| [03:13:49] | clev: | what is the usual res for 1080 images? |
| [03:13:58] | wagnerrp: | 1920x1080? |
| [03:14:06] | Dagmar: | far as I know |
| [03:14:16] | clev: | that would be 2,073,600 pixels/frame |
| [03:14:23] | wagnerrp: | perhaps 1920x540 if its interlaced |
| [03:14:25] | clev: | 24 bits per pixel? |
| [03:14:40] | Dagmar: | clev: Yeah the numbers get big FAST |
| [03:15:18] | clev: | but are 1080p frames usualy 24 bits/pixel after decoding? |
| [03:15:20] | wagnerrp: | thats why HDMI is rated at ~1.6gbps |
| [03:15:28] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It's also part of the reason 2-pass aint' exactly speedy |
| [03:15:38] | wagnerrp: | sometimes theyre as much as 30bits/pixel |
| [03:15:47] | Lexridge: | Doesn't 1080P requre 3gb/s? |
| [03:15:50] | Dagmar: | moar color depth |
| [03:16:33] | clev: | then lets say 30 fps and buffer 30 seconds |
| [03:16:45] | Dagmar: | 30 seconds of buffering? Ick |
| [03:16:46] | wagnerrp: | err... ~5gbps, 165MHz |
| [03:16:54] | wagnerrp: | not 1.65Gbps |
| [03:17:02] | clev: | just as an example for my idea where i said to give every core its own 30 seconds |
| [03:17:20] | clev: | 6 gig/core.... |
| [03:17:23] | Dagmar: | clever: That's why multipass encoding si there |
| [03:17:38] | clev: | 6gig to store 30 seconds... |
| [03:17:42] | clev: | holy shit! |
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| [03:18:05] | wagnerrp: | thats far overkill, since youre not going to go anything like that far before hitting an I frame |
| [03:18:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah now imagine trying to make that workable for a P2P swarming transfer |
| [03:18:54] | clev: | i did the math for RAW totaly uncompressed frames |
| [03:18:58] | Lexridge: | 6gig for 30 seconds cannot be correct |
| [03:19:13] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: It's pretty simple math for RAW video |
| [03:19:17] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: why not? |
| [03:19:19] | Lexridge: | more like 600mb per 30 seconds |
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| [03:19:23] | Dagmar: | resolution x color depth x fps x seconds |
| [03:19:27] | clev: | /e $calc((1920*1080*30*30*30)/8) == 6998400000 |
| [03:19:33] | clev: | theres the formula right there:P |
| [03:19:36] | wagnerrp: | 600mb gets you ~40 seconds of SD video |
| [03:19:42] | clev: | width*height*bbp*fps*seconds |
| [03:20:09] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: Aren't you glad we have image compression? |
| [03:20:27] | Dagmar: | This would be a lot clearer if you guys had been dealing with this when RLE was as good as it got |
| [03:20:52] | clev: | an idea i noticed when looking at the pppd manual to enable compression on my dsl line |
| [03:20:54] | Lexridge: | Well, full uncompressed HD is around 360Mb/s |
| [03:20:59] | clev: | it doesnt compress the data |
| [03:21:02] | clev: | it uses lookup tables |
| [03:21:16] | Dagmar: | ...which is a shortcut |
| [03:21:21] | clev: | yep |
| [03:21:25] | wagnerrp: | full uncompressed HD is far more than 360mbps |
| [03:21:32] | clev: | if its compressing the data 16 bites at once, then it has a lookup table of 65535 outputs |
| [03:21:47] | Dagmar: | Like, you simply could NOT do a u-v calculation to support anything trig-based on teh C-64 without it taking ages |
| [03:22:15] | clev: | ive also seen tricky like using a sine lookup table on an AVR chip to save time of processing |
| [03:22:17] | Dagmar: | ...because just computing the value of sin() for a given thing to get a value between 0 and 255 was just retarded. |
| [03:22:34] | Dagmar: | ...but you could sure as hell pre-compute that 360 times, and store the result in a table |
| [03:22:55] | clev: | another thing, compute it on a deskop with an FPU, in microseconds |
| [03:22:59] | clev: | then hard code it into an c array |
| [03:23:01] | Dagmar: | Then your sin() function ran hella fast, with 1-degree accuracy |
| [03:23:11] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: Not in the broadcast industry. 360Mb/s is the standard for HD video (HD-SDI), uncompressed. That is where all new 3Gb/s routers are based on. |
| [03:23:18] | iamlindoro: | Your b is off |
| [03:23:20] | clev: | or any degree acuracy, just inflate the array |
| [03:23:23] | iamlindoro: | that's MB, not Mb |
| [03:23:29] | Dagmar: | Mind you ONE degree accuracy is far from useful for most cases |
| [03:23:42] | clev: | yeah, tune to be as acurate as you need |
| [03:23:59] | Dagmar: | Yes, the more accurate you make them, the larger the lookup tables get |
| [03:24:31] | clev: | but could you do similar lookup tables for the 'slow' parts of 264 {en,de}coding? |
| [03:24:41] | clev: | at the expense of ram |
| [03:24:41] | Dagmar: | You basically don't. |
| [03:24:49] | Dagmar: | The CPUs have specific functions for those things now |
| [03:25:10] | Dagmar: | ...and many very smart people have spent a lot of time making them as fast as possible |
| [03:25:15] | clev: | so the major slowdown would be the fpu taking too many cycles? |
| [03:25:31] | Dagmar: | THe major slowdown is that is a fuckload of math |
| [03:25:46] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: http://decklink.com/products/videohub/ |
| [03:25:55] | clev: | im just wondering if theres any way you can cheat, like saving answers for certain parts |
| [03:25:58] | clev: | or entire formulas |
| [03:27:08] | Dagmar: | DUnno. |
| [03:27:17] | Dagmar: | It's heaping piles of MOAR math just to figure that out |
| [03:27:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, 360MB/s is 1080p60 |
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| [03:27:37] | iamlindoro: | note that's *MB*, not Mb |
| [03:27:41] | wagnerrp: | but 360MB/s is far different than 360Mb/s |
| [03:27:55] | wagnerrp: | roughly a factor of 8 |
| [03:27:58] | Dagmar: | That's megaBels, right? |
| [03:28:09] | Lexridge: | Yes, it is....the number is in Megabits, not Megabytes. |
| [03:28:24] | iamlindoro: | Uhhhhhhh |
| [03:28:26] | iamlindoro: | backwards |
| [03:28:31] | iamlindoro: | MB = Megabytes |
| [03:28:34] | wagnerrp: | 1080p60 is 360 megabytes per second |
| [03:28:38] | iamlindoro: | 360 MB/s = 1080p |
| [03:28:53] | iamlindoro: | 360 Mbps != 1080p |
| [03:28:58] | wagnerrp: | or just under 2880 megabits per second |
| [03:29:08] | wagnerrp: | well exactly 2880 |
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| [03:29:51] | wagnerrp: | its actually 355.9MB/s |
| [03:30:01] | Lexridge: | Okay, so you saying that 3 gigabits is the roughly equilivent to 360 megabytes...or 36 megabytes?.....ugh, yea, I see your point now...DOH!!!! |
| [03:30:08] | clev: | now im starting to see why i get image tearing when i watch some extremely high res videos:P |
| [03:30:13] | Dagmar: | hahahah |
| [03:30:40] | Lexridge: | I stand corrected....damn decimal point...lol |
| [03:30:51] | Dagmar: | clever: You should take advantage of some of that old tech you have there and fire up a C-64 emulator and sit down and write a raster bar generator |
| [03:30:52] | wagnerrp: | clev: you get image tearing because your screen is not refreshing at the same rate as the video |
| [03:31:15] | clev: | Dagmar: i have an emulator, but it would be more fun/acurate on the real hardware |
| [03:31:21] | clev: | where the video timing isnt perfect |
| [03:31:26] | wagnerrp: | your vertical hold is slipping... aaaaaahhhhh....... |
| [03:31:32] | clev: | wagnerrp: its a laptop |
| [03:31:38] | Dagmar: | clev: Well, it looked to me like the emulator had no problems tracking the emulated scan point |
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| [03:32:08] | Dagmar: | Raster bars come down to "can you figure out what color the next scan line should be before you get there" |
| [03:32:25] | clev: | isnt that something the video chip is doing on its own? |
| [03:32:33] | Dagmar: | On the c-64 you had exactly 83 clock cycles to do it |
| [03:32:56] | clev: | i thought you shoved the data into the 'frame buffer' and the video chip did all the work |
| [03:33:04] | Dagmar: | clev: No, because that would only hold true if you were trying to populate it's limited bitmap images |
| [03:33:17] | Dagmar: | Good luck plotting 320 points before your time is up |
| [03:33:31] | clev: | ive seen hacks to get more graphic space |
| [03:33:40] | clev: | you fill the screen with a 8x8 grid of all 256 characters |
| [03:33:44] | clev: | then you edit the font memory |
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| [03:33:55] | Dagmar: | Yes, which is hellishly too slow |
| [03:33:59] | Lexridge: | Check this unit out: http://www.broadcast.harris.com/product_portf . . . sku=Platinum I just ordered one of these Monday for the company I work for. |
| [03:34:09] | Dagmar: | 83 clock cycles. |
| [03:34:20] | clev: | yeah at those speeds you would get page tearing |
| [03:34:26] | clev: | enless you double buffer |
| [03:34:27] | ** iamlindoro tries to figure out how you fit 256 characters in an 8x8 grid, stops when his head hurts ** | |
| [03:34:30] | Dagmar: | Page tearing is the whole point of raster bars |
| [03:34:38] | clev: | /e $calc(8*8) == 64 |
| [03:34:39] | clev: | oops |
| [03:34:46] | iamlindoro: | 16 |
| [03:34:50] | clev: | i got the numbers a bit wrong:P |
| [03:34:58] | clev: | yes thats it |
| [03:35:03] | Dagmar: | You mainly make the screen entirely blank. |
| [03:35:20] | clev: | Dagmar: couldnt you just update a 2nd font space |
| [03:35:22] | wagnerrp: | clever didnt have a horse, so he never spend those two years in college |
| [03:35:32] | clev: | and then change the address for the fonts between frames |
| [03:35:33] | Dagmar: | Then when the scan gun is near the edge (hopefully OFF the edge of the screen) you quickly change the color of the border and background to what you want to appear |
| [03:35:42] | clev: | thus swaping the entire buffer in 1(or 2) cycles |
| [03:35:49] | Dagmar: | clever: That is memory intensive in the extreme. |
| [03:35:57] | clev: | wagnerrp: but i have learned how to ride a horse:P |
| [03:36:00] | Dagmar: | The 48K limit slaps you down for that |
| [03:36:31] | Dagmar: | ...and you don't swap that much data, you switch where the video card is looking to point at your new area. |
| [03:36:32] | clev: | i have the actual layout of a vic20 here, and i tried to track down how the video and cpu share the memory |
| [03:36:48] | Dagmar: | It's not nearly as fun as sitting down and doing it |
| [03:36:55] | clev: | the best i can tell, the clock cycles are perfectly lined so only 1 is 'active' at a time |
| [03:37:12] | clev: | i know, you cant swap the buffers |
| [03:37:18] | Dagmar: | You could. |
| [03:37:22] | clev: | but you can fake swaping them by changing the address the chip is looking |
| [03:37:23] | Dagmar: | It would just be slow as hell |
| [03:37:28] | clev: | which is why you dont do it |
| [03:37:52] | clev: | also, from defects in my ati card, i can see how linux scrolls the text consoles |
| [03:38:09] | clev: | it feels like it moves the 'start' of the text frame down 1 line in the buffer |
| [03:38:13] | clev: | (causing all text to shift up 1 line) |
| [03:38:26] | clev: | by changing a register in the video card |
| [03:38:32] | Dagmar: | Copying even one screenful of text at 40x24 (==960 bytes) doesn't happen in under the time limit you'd want |
| [03:39:17] | Dagmar: | Yeah you get an offset you can prod that makes the image be shown a few pixels off from where it would normally be, and you only have to copy the video data when you hit one end of that |
| [03:39:20] | clev: | yes, so it just leaves it in a giant ring buffer and moves the 'start' of what the video card is looking at |
| [03:39:22] | clev: | when you do hit the end of the buffer, you can do your expensive screen copy |
| [03:39:34] | clev: | yep |
| [03:39:52] | clev: | but when thats done on my ati card, its not clearing the new line at the bottom ahead of time |
| [03:39:57] | clev: | so when i hit enter a ton |
| [03:40:04] | Dagmar: | Except even the expensive screen copy takes longer than a fram on the C-64 so that would fail |
| [03:40:08] | clev: | the bottom line flickets for a moment with crap, then blanks itself |
| [03:40:30] | clev: | it can be done to visualy be hidden |
| [03:40:45] | clev: | (simply keep using the source till the copy is done) |
| [03:40:50] | Dagmar: | ...or it could be pre-loaded. |
| [03:40:59] | clev: | but the bigger effect is that it will ruin your timing in the game |
| [03:41:11] | Dagmar: | You may have noticed the early smooth scrollers did so at the cost/expense of you losing a line of text from the screen. |
| [03:41:38] | clev: | my terminal does have smooth scrolling but i havent noticed it loosing a line, it could just have extra ram for that |
| [03:41:43] | Dagmar: | It does |
| [03:41:52] | Dagmar: | Older TSRs you could load to do that didn't |
| [03:41:59] | clev: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/2gig%2 . . . 4.jpg/_full_ |
| [03:42:06] | clev: | serial 4800 baud terminal |
| [03:43:10] | Dagmar: | Yuck |
| [03:43:36] | clev: | i was planing to use it as a irc console that i turn on and use for 2mins |
| [03:43:56] | clev: | something that 'boots' fast and doesnt have any real state to loose on a improper shutdown |
| [03:44:02] | Dagmar: | It would be useful for that |
| [03:44:14] | Dagmar: | GOd knows I used a C128D for long enough as more or less just that |
| [03:44:14] | clev: | it takes 50 seconds to walk into the bathroom and login |
| [03:44:21] | jamesd: | i remember when i thought 1200baud was fast... a major upgrade from 300baud. |
| [03:44:33] | Dagmar: | If you're typing while you poo, I don't want to know about it |
| [03:44:34] | clev: | counting the 3–4 total screen redraws that screen does at 4800 |
| [03:44:46] | Dagmar: | jamesd: It *was* a huge upgrade from that |
| [03:45:02] | clev: | Dagmar: the problem, my bladder is empty by the time i get irssi up on the screen |
| [03:45:10] | clev: | its too slow:P |
| [03:45:12] | Dagmar: | Give it time |
| [03:45:24] | jamesd: | my first linux download was done at 9600 baud... 45MB at that speed took a long long time |
| [03:45:27] | Dagmar: | Once you get up to "litre status" it'll take awhile. ;) |
| [03:45:51] | clev: | i could simply set the terminal to go faster then 4800 |
| [03:45:53] | clev: | it can go way faster |
| [03:46:08] | clev: | BUT i cant save the config, so that means going into the config and cycling thru every single speed |
| [03:46:12] | clev: | every time i sit down |
| [03:46:24] | clev: | which probly takes more then 50 seconds |
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| [03:46:44] | Dagmar: | ...or peeing by yourself. |
| [03:46:56] | Dagmar: | SCARY! |
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| [03:55:02] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | what is the status of MythTV support for WinTV HVR's? |
| [03:55:41] | Lexridge: | the HVR1600 is supported. |
| [03:55:44] | plantain_: | Depends on the HVR |
| [03:57:05] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | I see that the WinTV HVR-1950 is supported (claimed on http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/linux.html ) in the 2.6.26 ... anybody KNOW that it works (aka they have it working).... |
| [03:57:25] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | and it might work.. but NOT work with MythTV |
| [03:57:36] | Lexridge: | It it's in the final 2.6.26 kernel, it should work. |
| [03:57:58] | iamlindoro_: | Digital will work fine, analog will work *only* if the driver is ivtv |
| [03:58:05] | iamlindoro_: | if it's any other driver you're sunk |
| [03:58:16] | Wicked: | omg. i swear every single way i try to convert my videos is broken. |
| [03:58:30] | Wicked: | ive tried at least 5 scripts and how tos |
| [03:58:38] | Wicked: | all fail in one way or another |
| [03:58:40] | iamlindoro_: | Speaking *only* of mpeg-2 hardware encoders, btw |
| [03:59:01] | Lexridge: | Wicked: have you tried avidemux? |
| [03:59:02] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | hmmm.. I was under impression that the HVR-1950 produces MPEG2 stream for analog sources... and I don't know how that fits into the ivtv .. I forget it that is the frame buffer method |
| [03:59:15] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | ? |
| [03:59:20] | clev: | bttv is frame buffer |
| [03:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | grabber |
| [03:59:25] | clev: | ivtv is hardware encoder |
| [03:59:29] | iamlindoro_: | buffer is different |
| [03:59:32] | clev: | typo |
| [03:59:35] | clev: | its late |
| [03:59:37] | iamlindoro_: | and not all mpeg-2 ahrdware encoders are ivtv |
| [03:59:42] | clev: | yeah |
| [03:59:43] | Wicked: | Lexridge, im not really looking for a frontend to encode from....i want a easy script i can call from mythtv |
| [03:59:50] | clev: | but i beleive ivtv is only for hardware encoders |
| [03:59:56] | iamlindoro_: | notably the HVR-1800 has an mpeg-2 encoder that is not ivtv, and is therefore not myth compatible |
| [04:00:09] | Wicked: | all the ones from the wiki are broken or just dont work |
| [04:00:10] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | ah |
| [04:00:13] | iamlindoro_: | If the 1950 is ivtv, it'll be fine. If it's not, it won't. |
| [04:00:36] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | the support site points to http://www.linuxtv.org/ .. |
| [04:00:41] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | (for 1950) |
| [04:00:52] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware |
| [04:00:57] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | oops I mean the other one above it.. |
| [04:01:01] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | iamlindoro ty |
| [04:01:15] | iamlindoro_: | That wiki *is* out of date however |
| [04:01:33] | iamlindoro_: | note how it says the HVR-1600 is not support, but in fact it now *is* ivtv |
| [04:01:34] | Wicked: | i just want to shrink my recordings down from 5+ gigs to around maby 1 gig or less |
| [04:01:46] | Wicked: | i was thinking of using xvid or x264.... |
| [04:02:04] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | that link says "Known to NOT work " -> 1600 .. so assuming 1950 is am improved version of 1600 |
| [04:02:25] | iamlindoro_: | that would be a bad assumption |
| [04:02:33] | iamlindoro_: | as they are not at all related |
| [04:02:37] | wagnerrp: | the 1950 is a USB tuner, the 1600 is PCI |
| [04:02:37] | iamlindoro_: | "The IVTV project develops a kernel driver for Linux and a driver for X11 for hardware based on Conexant's CX23415/CX23416" |
| [04:02:43] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | hmmm |
| [04:02:56] | iamlindoro_: | if the 1950 includes those chips, then it will be ivtv-compatible or ivtv |
| [04:03:04] | iamlindoro_: | if not, then it won't work in myth |
| [04:03:08] | iamlindoro_: | (although digital will) |
| [04:04:09] | iamlindoro_: | Looking at the 1950 chipset, it will not be ivtv. |
| [04:04:21] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | okay... so where do I stand... the 1950 which is analog tuner + composite/svideo (fm radio also) and ATSC + 256QAM... and I don't know how the analog video comes over the USB |
| [04:04:41] | wagnerrp: | its an mpeg encoder, it feeds an mpeg stream over usb |
| [04:04:46] | iamlindoro_: | Like I just said, the 1950 is not ivtv, so none of the anlog stuff will work in myth |
| [04:05:03] | iamlindoro_: | You can use the digital on it if you like, but the analog *will not work in myth* |
| [04:05:17] | iamlindoro_: | not s-video, not composite, not analog via RF. |
| [04:05:21] | iamlindoro_: | QAM yes. |
| [04:05:25] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | hmmm |
| [04:05:25] | iamlindoro_: | ATSC yes. |
| [04:06:01] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | so USB tuners generally are not good idea (for analog?) |
| [04:06:10] | iamlindoro_: | Why would you assume that? |
| [04:06:15] | iamlindoro_: | USB is fine |
| [04:06:20] | iamlindoro_: | nobody said anything about USB. |
| [04:06:28] | wagnerrp: | as long as you get one thats compatible with mythtv |
| [04:06:28] | iamlindoro_: | interface has nothing to do with this |
| [04:06:58] | iamlindoro_: | Myth's MPEG-2 encoder card support *only* works with cards taht use the ivtv driver. The end. |
| [04:08:28] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | pardon my questions... trying to understand... MPEG-2 encoder cards only work if IVTV (PCI or USB) ... I got that I think... I guess one needs to figure out how the analog stuff comes across then |
| [04:08:50] | iamlindoro_: | That *is* the analog stuff |
| [04:09:11] | iamlindoro_: | Let me try to make this simple |
| [04:09:13] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | how does the digital stuff get into mythtv (qam/atsc) |
| [04:09:24] | wagnerrp: | through v4l-dvb |
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| [04:09:54] | iamlindoro_: | If you buy an HVR-1950, the ONLY thing you will be able to use it for in Myth is QAM/ATSC. That's all. That's it. |
| [04:10:27] | iamlindoro_: | The analog portion of that card, which is the MPEg-2 encoder, does not and will not use the ivtv driver, and therefore will in NOW WAY work with MythTV |
| [04:10:35] | iamlindoro_: | er NO WAY |
| [04:10:53] | iamlindoro_: | If you want a card that is both analog and digital, both of which work in myth, get an HVR-1600 |
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| [04:11:14] | iamlindoro_: | As the analog tuner/encoder in *that* card uses the ivtv driver. |
| [04:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | Digital sides of cards are easy, as they all plug into the identical API, as wagnerrp said, v4l-dvb. |
| [04:12:42] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | perhaps the ivtv will add support for (I see beta stuff for 1500/1600 the cx23418) ... guessing that eventually cx23418 will be supported by ivtv .. and possibly the cx23418 might be used in the 1950 ... (purely a guess) — but this point .. nada |
| [04:12:43] | iamlindoro_: | So all linux supported digital tuners will work fine with Myth |
| [04:12:58] | iamlindoro_: | WinTV_HVR_Questi: No. |
| [04:13:00] | iamlindoro_: | Not ever. |
| [04:13:11] | iamlindoro_: | cx23xxxx is *hardware* |
| [04:13:31] | iamlindoro_: | hardware that is not used in many recent analog tuners/encoders |
| [04:13:38] | iamlindoro_: | hardware that will never be included in them |
| [04:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | and they will therefore never be under the umbrella of ivtv |
| [04:13:54] | wagnerrp: | basicallym, someone is going to have to add some new code into mythtv to make it work |
| [04:14:02] | wagnerrp: | how much code that is, i have no idea |
| [04:14:22] | wagnerrp: | it could take someone who knows what theyre doing as little as a couple hours to hack it out |
| [04:14:28] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | okay... flip the question... what USB hardware works for both analog and digital (if any?) |
| [04:14:42] | blah: | analog goin bye bye anyway |
| [04:14:56] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | well analog channels on cable will still be around for a while |
| [04:15:01] | wagnerrp: | analog works just fine for cable |
| [04:15:03] | iamlindoro_: | Analog is still perfectly useful for people using cable/set top boxes |
| [04:15:14] | wagnerrp: | i think canadia still has a couple years before their switch over |
| [04:15:20] | blah: | oh oh yea im in ota world |
| [04:15:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what mexico's time line is |
| [04:16:14] | iamlindoro_: | There are USB tuners that have digital and analog framegrabbers, but there are no USB boxes that are ivtv + digital that I know of |
| [04:16:23] | wagnerrp: | theres almost three years left before analog is switched off in Canada |
| [04:16:38] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said. Get an HVR-1600 |
| [04:16:43] | iamlindoro_: | Available in low profile, even |
| [04:17:11] | Lexridge: | The HVR1600 was on sale a short while back at circuit city for $49 |
| [04:17:18] | iamlindoro_: | If you have to have both, then get two seperate devices, like an HVR-950q and a PVR-USB2 |
| [04:17:24] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | well only have one PCI slot and would prefer to pick external (in the machine that i am thinking of).. if I HAVE to got PCI.. I'll pick one of those |
| [04:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | That should have read "have to have both and have to have USB" |
| [04:18:17] | iamlindoro_: | PVR-USB2 is supported in myth, and is USB, and the HVR-950q is very nice as a QAM/ATSC per mkrufky |
| [04:19:06] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | 950q eh? what's the diff between 950 and 950q ??? perhaps they are same just different external device box shape? |
| [04:19:13] | iamlindoro_: | Q does QAM |
| [04:19:20] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | ah |
| [04:19:25] | iamlindoro_: | Why are you making wild guesses? |
| [04:19:55] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | heh |
| [04:20:25] | wagnerrp: | another option would be to throw money at the problem |
| [04:20:31] | wagnerrp: | or more specifically, at one of the devs |
| [04:20:39] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | well I am trying to elicit answers ... question wrong ones sometime speeds up getting right answers |
| [04:20:54] | iamlindoro_: | Well in that case you should get answers lightning fast |
| [04:21:00] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | :P |
| [04:21:12] | wagnerrp: | the problem with mythtv (and OSS in general) is that the devs work solely for their own benefit |
| [04:21:28] | iamlindoro_: | patience==0; |
| [04:21:30] | iamlindoro_: | break; |
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| [04:21:34] | wagnerrp: | none of them have, need, or want a 1950, so support never gets added |
| [04:22:26] | wagnerrp: | since you only have one PCI slot, you may want to look into a HDHomeRun |
| [04:22:35] | wagnerrp: | its a network-attached ATSC/QAM tuner |
| [04:22:59] | wagnerrp: | two tuners, and then you can use the PCI slot for a PVR-150/500 |
| [04:23:09] | wagnerrp: | for a third or forth |
| [04:24:35] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | well thanks for answer the questions... — I couldn't (or didn't find) a kept-up-to-date hardware database for MythTV — perhaps there IS one and I swear I saw one years ago .. but now that I am putting hardware together.. I can't re-find it. |
| [04:25:46] | wagnerrp: | well the wiki has information on a fair bit of hardware |
| [04:26:02] | wagnerrp: | but yes, there could stand to be one big yes/no table on the wiki |
| [04:26:57] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | that would be good |
| [04:28:46] | wagnerrp: | seems there is one |
| [04:29:06] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tuner_Card |
| [04:29:07] | Shadow__X: | hey everybody |
| [04:29:10] | Shadow__X: | its a me |
| [04:29:53] | iamlindoro: | Hi Dr. Shadow__X |
| [04:30:02] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro how ya doin |
| [04:30:09] | wagnerrp: | not quite... supposed to be 'hello everybody' |
| [04:30:19] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [04:30:26] | Shadow__X: | hello everybody |
| [04:30:27] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [04:30:35] | wagnerrp: | there you go |
| [04:30:48] | Shadow__X: | hi wagnerrp |
| [04:30:59] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | well Shadow__X ... I think I pissed off (mildly) iamlindoro ... |
| [04:31:15] | Shadow__X: | where you asking something dumb |
| [04:31:30] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | hmmm.... basically |
| [04:31:37] | Shadow__X: | there ya go |
| [04:31:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, it is 'hi everybody' |
| [04:31:41] | wagnerrp: | i was wrong |
| [04:31:43] | Shadow__X: | lol |
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| [04:31:59] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X knows what pushes my buttons |
| [04:32:30] | iamlindoro: | In fairness, that's not me pissed off |
| [04:32:41] | iamlindoro: | When I'm pissed off I make a point of *staying* |
| [04:33:05] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [04:33:20] | Shadow__X: | so i read earlier 1800 analog isnt ivtv so no support in myth |
| [04:33:22] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [04:33:33] | iamlindoro: | But a hot calabrese salami sammich made it allll better |
| [04:33:41] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, Not until someone adds a new card type |
| [04:33:47] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [04:33:50] | plantain_: | Shadow__X: This is the part where you start learning C :) |
| [04:33:54] | Shadow__X: | maybe one day i can do it |
| [04:34:08] | WinTV_HVR_Questi: | actually food sounds good... iamlindoro that's a good idea.. |
| [04:34:09] | Shadow__X: | i know c++ abit and only a smidgit of c |
| [04:34:13] | ** WinTV_HVR_Questi heads to kitchen ** | |
| [04:34:14] | ** iamlindoro bets it's a matter of ~50 lines ** | |
| [04:34:15] | plantain_: | I'm struggling with the same problem, I'm trying to code a driver for my Winfast DTV 1000 S |
| [04:34:38] | wagnerrp: | well as i was telling WinTV_HVR_Questi, support for the 1800 probably doesnt involve anything more than throwing money at the problem |
| [04:34:45] | wagnerrp: | and maybe a card to play with |
| [04:34:54] | iamlindoro: | Figure out the right v4l2 tuning stuff for a non ivtv driver, write a case for it, done |
| [04:35:06] | iamlindoro: | As it works outside of tuning |
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| [04:35:14] | wagnerrp: | put up a bounty, someone will claim it |
| [04:35:19] | iamlindoro: | You can watch any channel you like with a non-ivtv card, so long as it's the first one |
| [04:35:39] | Shadow__X: | interestingly enough i wrote a script to change channels that while i watched live tv with the card i changed the channel and inside myth it worked |
| [04:35:59] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, unfortunately it all would dump to the same file that way |
| [04:36:00] | wagnerrp: | so use mythtv's external channel changer routines, and be done with it |
| [04:36:09] | Shadow__X: | i did see in the log all the issues of it not being ivtv and thats why it didnt work |
| [04:36:22] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, i tried i guess incorectly and it didnt work |
| [04:36:35] | Shadow__X: | the ivtv issue would come up before it would try and change the channel |
| [04:36:38] | iamlindoro: | No, there's more to it than that, as the start/stop streaming stuff is also an issue |
| [04:36:43] | Shadow__X: | then again i wasnt to sure i was doing it right |
| [04:36:47] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [04:37:06] | iamlindoro: | It would be a bit of work, but only a bit |
| [04:37:14] | iamlindoro: | I'm fairly confident I oculd do it, and that's saying something |
| [04:37:55] | Shadow__X: | yeah but didnt you also do the youtube pludin |
| [04:37:59] | Shadow__X: | plugin* |
| [04:38:02] | Shadow__X: | that says something |
| [04:38:12] | iamlindoro: | Naw, I just made improvements, the basics aren't mine |
| [04:38:31] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [04:38:34] | Shadow__X: | but still |
| [04:38:47] | iamlindoro: | I've learned a bit by being around and hacking, but no formal knowledge |
| [04:38:50] | wagnerrp: | is trunk now sufficiently stable that it would be worth switching over? |
| [04:39:05] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [04:39:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I've been running it since day one of the HD-PVR driver and yeah, it's been very very good lately |
| [04:39:19] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo is newly unstable, though |
| [04:39:31] | iamlindoro: | so if you are heavily reliant on MythVideo working/Looking good you should hold off a week or two |
| [04:39:51] | iamlindoro: | The new stuff being worked on there is *awesome* though |
| [04:40:01] | iamlindoro: | just a little rough/occasionally crashy ATM |
| [04:40:04] | wagnerrp: | its just in the middle of a big update? |
| [04:40:14] | wagnerrp: | (mythvideo is) |
| [04:40:16] | iamlindoro: | to MythVideo, yeah. |
| [04:40:19] | iamlindoro: | MythUI rewrite |
| [04:40:29] | iamlindoro: | Got merged a week or so ago |
| [04:40:33] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:40:39] | Shadow__X: | nice |
| [04:40:42] | iamlindoro: | New views, new fanciness and bling, total themability |
| [04:40:48] | wagnerrp: | well thats most of what gets used |
| [04:40:59] | wagnerrp: | but i can just tell people to stream over the PS3 until that gets fixed |
| [04:41:03] | iamlindoro: | That said, there aren't really any themes to support it so it's kinda broken looking ATM |
| [04:42:02] | wagnerrp: | i guess i could always set up a secondary database, user, ports, and all, to test things out |
| [04:42:19] | wagnerrp: | just have it tunerless |
| [04:42:46] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro i am gonna be seeting up raid 5 on some new 1tb hds |
| [04:42:47] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [04:42:56] | iamlindoro: | Fun |
| [04:43:09] | iamlindoro: | My RAID has been reshaping for like a million years this week |
| [04:43:16] | iamlindoro: | 34.4%, sigh |
| [04:43:17] | fryfrog: | what happened? |
| [04:43:18] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [04:43:21] | iamlindoro: | MOAR |
| [04:43:25] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [04:43:28] | fryfrog: | how many did you add? |
| [04:43:30] | Shadow__X: | microcenter had seagates for 140 |
| [04:43:41] | iamlindoro: | I had a few in as spares, just expanded the array out to fill them |
| [04:43:44] | fryfrog: | seagate 1tb for 140? |
| [04:43:45] | Shadow__X: | and they didnt fail with imence coppies |
| [04:43:47] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [04:43:50] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: mmm, nice :) |
| [04:43:51] | Shadow__X: | 32mb cache |
| [04:44:03] | wagnerrp: | that actually seems a bit high |
| [04:44:09] | wagnerrp: | considering the 1.5s are running $190 |
| [04:44:13] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [04:44:14] | fryfrog: | pretty soon those 1tb drives will be at my sweet spot :) |
| [04:44:27] | iamlindoro: | I'm at 10TB in RAID 6 for Movies/Videos (8 Usable) and 3 TB for recordings and assorted tomfoolery |
| [04:44:34] | Shadow__X: | newegg had em for the same price but this was easier no shipping |
| [04:44:39] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [04:44:45] | Shadow__X: | 10tb only huh |
| [04:44:46] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: kernel raid6? |
| [04:44:51] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, yes |
| [04:44:58] | fryfrog: | had any drive failures yet? |
| [04:45:19] | fryfrog: | it has been a *long* time since i've had a failure in my array |
| [04:45:38] | wagnerrp: | i think ill pick up another pair of 750s, fill out to 3.75 and R6, and then try to hold off until i start building a new array out of 1.5s or 2.0s |
| [04:45:42] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, I had a drive fail this week, it's taken me a while to sort out all the clicking Seagates... but I give it to them, if they're gonna fial, you know right away |
| [04:45:47] | iamlindoro: | fail |
| [04:46:03] | fryfrog: | SMART or they make unique horrible hard drive failure noises? |
| [04:46:05] | iamlindoro: | as the first time you plug it in and r/w, it's click... click.... click... |
| [04:46:11] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
| [04:46:22] | iamlindoro: | and mind oyu, it'll work for a few weeks, but... |
| [04:46:56] | fryfrog: | do you run smartd/smartmond what ever it is called? |
| [04:47:21] | iamlindoro: | You can, but it doesn't do you much good, as the manifestation is that the drive keeps restarting its spinup routine |
| [04:47:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:47:30] | iamlindoro: | vroooooooooooooomCLICK |
| [04:47:35] | iamlindoro: | vrooooooooooooomCLICK |
| [04:47:41] | fryfrog: | yeah, even google thinks SMART isn't |
| [04:48:30] | iamlindoro: | Given the reliability dropoff between 750s and 1TBs that I've seen at home and at work, I wouldn't rush to 1.5 TBs all at once |
| [04:51:58] | wagnerrp: | seems i dont even have qt4 installed... this may take some time |
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| [04:56:40] | Dagmar: | SMART isn't supposed to prevent failure. It's just supposed to tell you when you've got failure. |
| [04:56:52] | Dagmar: | It's also not something you spank around and only half pay attention to. |
| [04:57:02] | Dagmar: | When it hollers, you take that drive out of circulation immediately. |
| [04:57:05] | Dagmar: | Most home users don't bother. |
| [04:57:32] | Dagmar: | ...which is why they have SMART and *still* lose data. |
| [04:57:51] | Shadow__X: | or their lack of smarts |
| [04:57:56] | Shadow__X: | uh oh i made a funny |
| [04:58:01] | Dagmar: | a winner is you |
| [04:58:51] | Shadow__X: | happy i am |
| [04:59:00] | wagnerrp: | ive heard that SMART will predict a failure correctly for about 70% of drives, if they dont just outright fail when new |
| [04:59:15] | Dagmar: | Most peopel wait until AFTER they have a problem to actually poll the SMART routines on their drives |
| [04:59:33] | Dagmar: | ...at which point the bad sectors are pretty goddamn obvious. |
| [05:00:28] | Shadow__X: | yups |
| [05:01:05] | Dagmar: | If someone needs SMART tests to tell them what whir-r-r-r-CHIK... whirr-r-r-CHIK means, they're probably using Windows |
| [05:01:37] | Dagmar: | I still have that audio sample clever made somewhere around here |
| [05:01:41] | Dagmar: | I've used it a few times at works |
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| [05:02:09] | Dagmar: | er at work. |
| [05:02:20] | Dagmar: | $coworker's eyes got HUGE |
| [05:02:32] | Dagmar: | When that "drive is near death" sound comes out of a laptop, you notice. |
| [05:02:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i managed to recover my second laptop drive after it was making those noises |
| [05:03:08] | wagnerrp: | oddly, turning the laptop upside down made it functional |
| [05:03:16] | Dagmar: | You get a little time when it's making the "tiny lathe" sounds |
| [05:03:41] | wagnerrp: | it wouldn't boot right-side up |
| [05:03:45] | Dagmar: | Scary |
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| [05:04:56] | wagnerrp: | although ive lost enough data that anymore, anything i care about is either mirrored, or backed up religiously |
| [05:05:02] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, any options you recommend for raid 5 using mdadm |
| [05:05:39] | wagnerrp: | hard drive failure/recovery isnt really an issue anymore |
| [05:07:21] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, Nothing out of the ordinary. Chunk size 256k, use a decent Filesystem |
| [05:07:34] | Shadow__X: | i was thinking ext3 |
| [05:07:48] | iamlindoro: | I would think otherwise, but it's ultimately up to you |
| [05:08:03] | iamlindoro: | ext3 is slowwwwwwwww especially with deletes |
| [05:08:19] | iamlindoro: | I have used XFS with great results, but that's just my opinion |
| [05:08:23] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:08:49] | Shadow__X: | how long does a delete really take and is that the only issue |
| [05:08:53] | iamlindoro: | especially the first time I created a XFS fs of a few TB and it was done in three seconds... I was like, "Wait... what?" |
| [05:09:12] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:09:14] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, on ext3 they take a long enough time that myth has a workaround for them |
| [05:09:15] | Shadow__X: | that does sound good |
| [05:09:19] | Shadow__X: | ah wow |
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| [05:09:33] | iamlindoro: | "enable slow deletes" is specifically for ext |
| [05:09:48] | iamlindoro: | otherwise you can delete a big file and take a performance hit for a few mintues |
| [05:12:50] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:13:06] | Shadow__X: | well i created the array but forgot to select chunk size to 256 |
| [05:13:08] | Shadow__X: | fail me |
| [05:13:14] | iamlindoro: | fail |
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| [05:13:50] | Shadow__X: | how do i get rid of the array |
| [05:13:59] | iamlindoro: | set the disks on fire |
| [05:14:05] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:14:07] | Shadow__X: | i could |
| [05:14:14] | iamlindoro: | mdadm --stop /dev/md# |
| [05:14:30] | iamlindoro: | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdbc1 etc. |
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| [05:14:45] | iamlindoro: | mdadm --create /dev/md# etc. etc. |
| [05:16:25] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:16:29] | Shadow__X: | alright |
| [05:17:29] | Sulx: | hmm |
| [05:18:06] | Sulx: | I guess ext3 -> xfs transform without losing data is impossible? |
| [05:18:47] | iamlindoro: | Pretty much-- there used to be some file system transition utilities but they've all been scrapped on account of destroying all the data 9 out of 10 times |
| [05:19:06] | Sulx: | yea tought so |
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| [05:23:17] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:23:41] | Shadow__X: | maybe gparted it dumb but it tells me xfs is there but there is a caution sign next to it |
| [05:24:00] | iamlindoro: | gparted is for slow kids |
| [05:24:06] | Shadow__X: | ah alright |
| [05:24:09] | iamlindoro: | mkfs.xfs /dev/md# |
| [05:24:09] | Shadow__X: | well i used mkfs |
| [05:24:11] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [05:24:25] | Shadow__X: | that did go really fast |
| [05:24:38] | Shadow__X: | at first i thought it hung then i was like oh it just made the fs |
| [05:25:55] | iamlindoro: | gparted is probably confused because you are still creating the array |
| [05:26:01] | Shadow__X: | ah yeah |
| [05:26:15] | iamlindoro: | Just because you *can* mount and write to a an array as it's being created doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| [05:26:17] | Shadow__X: | mdadm seems to be pretty kick ass that was pretty simple |
| [05:26:22] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [05:28:34] | Shadow__X: | no hd activity |
| [05:33:55] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:34:23] | Shadow__X: | thats werid i am not getting any hd activity maybe i knocked something lose anything thanks alot iamlindoro |
| [05:34:31] | Shadow__X: | mdadm its pretty cool |
| [05:35:09] | Shadow__X: | 5 percent |
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| [06:31:24] | t0ny-p40: | Is it me or is a lot of stations running their shows late? |
| [06:31:57] | wagnerrp: | not that ive noticed, your NTP working? |
| [06:31:59] | t0ny-p40: | My time is less then 0.001 seconds off so its not me. |
| [06:33:25] | t0ny-p40: | NBC, Fox, Scfi, and a few others the shows are getting cut off at the end. |
| [06:34:05] | wagnerrp: | well if youve got the tuners to spare, just set all shows to record a couple minutes extra |
| [06:34:25] | t0ny-p40: | only have a pvr-150 and a crappy ati card :/ |
| [06:34:33] | t0ny-p40: | Just bugging me. |
| [06:34:47] | t0ny-p40: | I've had to download a few shows to see the last few mins. |
| [06:35:19] | wagnerrp: | how do you know youre off by less than a ms? |
| [06:35:45] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think NTP was capable of that, short of a radio clock or NMEA receiver |
| [06:36:05] | t0ny-p40: | tony@myth:/var/log$ sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| [06:36:05] | t0ny-p40: | 3 Oct 00:35:57 ntpdate[13010]: adjust time server 192.43.244.18 offset 0.014602 sec |
| [06:36:15] | wagnerrp: | certainly not with fluctuating internet latencies |
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| [06:36:51] | t0ny-p40: | and here is with apple's time server 3 Oct 00:36:38 ntpdate[13013]: adjust time server 17.151.16.22 offset 0.009384 sec |
| [06:37:20] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, it wouldnt be off by more than a few seconds, certainly not the couple minutes youre noticing |
| [06:38:11] | t0ny-p40: | When watching livetv I have been watching the clock on my cablebox so I know they are doing it. |
| [06:39:10] | wagnerrp: | well that sounds like your cableco is hosing their feeds |
| [06:39:22] | wagnerrp: | is this digital cable? |
| [06:40:08] | wagnerrp: | if so, the lag could be them recompressing their incoming feeds |
| [06:41:37] | t0ny-p40: | digital cable :/ |
| [06:42:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, id call your cableco and ask if they are recompressing the feeds, or otherwise lagging them to hose off-brand DVRs |
| [06:43:29] | wagnerrp: | the most ive gotten recently is having some of the next episode preview chopped off |
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| [06:52:38] | cesman: | t0ny-p40: some station say , 'F ur NTP'... |
| [06:53:03] | cesman: | that is why I've learned to give my recordings a buffer of a minute before and after |
| [06:53:20] | cesman: | of course that only works if you have multiple tuners ;) |
| [06:53:45] | cesman: | and recordings that would conflict |
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| [07:04:06] | t0ny-p40: | 'F ur NTP'? |
| [07:05:17] | t0ny-p40: | oh, I get it. |
| [07:05:19] | t0ny-p40: | I think. |
| [07:06:53] | Wicked: | is there a page down key so when im looking through the menus i can skip whole pages...hitting down on the remote is slow and takes forever to go through menus |
| [07:09:33] | justinh: | ruh? shouldn't be slow to navigate through mythtv's menus. even a system with a 500Mhz CPU shouldn't be sluggish there |
| [07:10:39] | justinh: | lol @ the concept of completely accurate cropping of shows as they come in |
| [07:11:14] | justinh: | remember when you had a VCR? It wasn't entirely a matter of its clock being totally accurate then either |
| [07:11:25] | Wicked: | well |
| [07:11:41] | Wicked: | i mean i have to hit down about 15 times per page... |
| [07:11:54] | Wicked: | id like to hit a button have it goto the next page on things.... |
| [07:11:58] | justinh: | eh? surely you don't mean the menu menus |
| [07:12:12] | justinh: | you must mean the actual pages which tend to have a lot of content – e.g. watch recordings |
| [07:12:13] | Wicked: | no more like guide menus and stuff |
| [07:12:20] | justinh: | they are not menus |
| [07:12:23] | justinh: | menus are menus |
| [07:12:33] | Wicked: | sorry for not being more specific |
| [07:12:40] | Wicked: | or corrent |
| [07:12:40] | Wicked: | lol |
| [07:12:43] | Wicked: | *correct |
| [07:12:47] | justinh: | 3 is page down |
| [07:12:49] | justinh: | 9 is page up |
| [07:12:56] | justinh: | the FM says so |
| [07:13:02] | Wicked: | FM? |
| [07:13:11] | justinh: | 'ing manual |
| [07:13:15] | Wicked: | ah |
| [07:14:06] | Wicked: | you wouldnt happen to know about lirc and the repeat function?....i read somewhere a few days ago about making buttons more responsive...but now i cant find the article...or info on google |
| [07:14:16] | justinh: | regarding accurate time clipping of shows – it's probably not a well known fact but content providers sometimes put in signalling to theur own DVRs |
| [07:14:27] | justinh: | www.lirc.org has documentation about lirc funnily enough |
| [07:15:43] | Wicked: | hmm ok. thanks for the info |
| [07:15:56] | justinh: | http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format |
| [07:17:16] | justinh: | btw to determine whether or not your EPG is slow because your hardware is shite, try using the programme guide which isn't part of 'live tv' – i.e. the one brought about from inside 'manage recordings' |
| [07:17:24] | justinh: | assuming you use the 'default' menu theme of course |
| [07:18:24] | justinh: | YMMV getting your remote to repeat as fast as you want, even by altering the lircrc file. Some remotes just don' |
| [07:18:37] | justinh: | don't transmit key repeats fast enough |
| [07:19:09] | justinh: | on my remote it's faster to press the buttons repeatedly than hold em down |
| [07:20:47] | justinh: | hahaha on looking at my lircrc file now I see why. OOPS |
| [07:21:05] | justinh: | repeat = 3 and nothing defined for delay. BUHHHHHHHHH |
| [07:21:14] | justinh: | I shall fix that tonight I reckon |
| [07:21:27] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [07:23:52] | justinh: | eh? OK/Select is bound to Space. Surely that should be ENTER |
| [07:24:21] | Wicked: | lol |
| [07:25:12] | justinh: | select is space and enter. bah |
| [07:27:44] | Wicked: | ive found entering the repeat for volume up or down to 1 make it faster....i hate having jumpy audio and a slow remote |
| [07:29:13] | justinh: | I didn't spend all that long playing with lirc once I had it setup & working |
| [07:29:36] | justinh: | what I think I' |
| [07:30:01] | justinh: | I'll do with the arrow keys, volume etc is set a low delay value but set repeat to 2 or 3 |
| [07:32:51] | Wicked: | hmm..might have to try that also. |
| [07:33:03] | Wicked: | but im off to watch some tv and pass out. thanks for the help |
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| [07:44:34] | CaptainCaveman: | cartoony Friday :) |
| [08:07:30] | CaptainCaveman: | oo my fx5200 vga card only pulls about 10W at idle |
| [08:07:34] | CaptainCaveman: | nifty |
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| [09:32:22] | ** CaptainCaveman amuses himself by reading http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/ ** | |
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| [09:36:57] | tjcarter: | CAPTAIN CAAAAAAAAAAAAVEMAAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAANNN!!! |
| [09:37:48] | tjcarter: | which has got to be the most awesomest nick ever, or something. |
| [09:38:07] | tjcarter: | right, bedtime. |
| [09:38:46] | CaptainCaveman: | wow. first time anybody has ever said it properly in ages! :D |
| [09:44:22] | jblack: | I watched some puffnstuff the other night. |
| [09:44:35] | jblack: | I can't believe I loved that stuff as a kid. |
| [09:44:57] | CaptainCaveman: | puffnstuff? |
| [09:45:07] | CaptainCaveman: | sounds incredibly dodgery-ish |
| [09:45:39] | jblack: | let me find you an example |
| [09:46:37] | CaptainCaveman: | heh looks like it was WAY before my time |
| [09:47:34] | jblack: | I can't find one. |
| [09:47:47] | jblack: | It was from about the same time as captain caveman. |
| [09:48:10] | CaptainCaveman: | I had no idea it was that old |
| [09:48:22] | jblack: | Back in the 70s, the 60's drug laden generation went into kid shows. |
| [09:48:45] | CaptainCaveman: | puffnstuff was shown in the 60s according to 'paedia |
| [09:48:58] | jblack: | I was watching it in the 70s. |
| [09:49:12] | CaptainCaveman: | we must never have got it here in the UK |
| [09:49:29] | CaptainCaveman: | either that or it was shown on ITV – in which case I'd never have seen it |
| [09:50:31] | jblack: | we have a channel out here, boomerang, that shows the old stuff late niht. In fact, captain caveman is coming on in 10 minutes. |
| [09:50:45] | CaptainCaveman: | we get boomerang on pay tv too |
| [09:50:51] | CaptainCaveman: | only channel worth paying for IMHO |
| [09:51:13] | CaptainCaveman: | not worth the £20 a month it costs just for that one channel though :P |
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| [10:08:06] | laga: | CaptainCaveman: getting the box to wake up can be a PITA. |
| [10:09:27] | CaptainCaveman: | anyway, it needn't necessarily matter. winter is coming in fast & the computer room isn't the warmest place in the house :P |
| [10:10:11] | CaptainCaveman: | and if it's going to take 100 years to make a significant saving I'll notice why even bother? |
| [10:11:13] | laga: | for some reason, my collectd graphs stopped working |
| [10:11:23] | laga: | or i could have told you how often my box shuts down |
| [10:12:04] | CaptainCaveman: | maybe turning off a couple of tuners could save another 10W or so |
| [10:12:23] | CaptainCaveman: | the box is much cooler since I started sending HDDs to sleep at 10 mins inactivity |
| [10:14:46] | laga: | mine is so much cooler when it's turned off ;) |
| [10:15:02] | CaptainCaveman: | don't get me wrong folks it's only about potentially saving money. I'm no sandal wearing tofu munching tree hugger |
| [10:15:25] | laga: | heh.. you will only save a few bucks |
| [10:16:31] | CaptainCaveman: | to hell with that game then! |
| [10:16:51] | CaptainCaveman: | I could save more than that by getting a job nearer to home |
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| [10:18:14] | CaptainCaveman: | hrm. I could probably get by on about £15k if I didn't need to have a blinkin car |
| [10:18:46] | laga: | but money is good |
| [10:18:58] | CaptainCaveman: | more money does not a happier person make |
| [10:19:24] | laga: | yeah, but you also keep coming here ;) |
| [10:19:52] | CaptainCaveman: | maybe I could spend the money I save on being hypnotised to cure me of coming here |
| [10:21:03] | CaptainCaveman: | my non-disposable outgoings are only about £700 a month. where the effinelle does the rest go? |
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| [10:57:03] | oobe: | does anyone know if i stuff up my first attempt or any for that matter of an xorg.conf can i do damage to a plasma tv? |
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| [10:57:51] | CaptainCaveman: | plenty of webpages say yes |
| [10:57:57] | CaptainCaveman: | but I'd say no |
| [10:58:06] | oobe: | it says in the manual that the tv is 50hz or 60hz from av sockets only |
| [10:58:07] | CaptainCaveman: | it was only ever really a risk to CRT based devices |
| [10:58:32] | oobe: | does that mean if i use dvi to hdmi cable i can only do 50hz |
| [10:58:46] | CaptainCaveman: | don't worry about it |
| [10:58:49] | oobe: | or does that count as an av socket |
| [10:59:06] | oobe: | CaptainCaveman, thanks |
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| [11:00:04] | CaptainCaveman: | the only real risk from bad xorg.conf files comes from trying to drive a display at unsupported refresh & line rates which could potentially damage the electronics of the display |
| [11:00:06] | oobe: | can i get away with using a very basic xorg.conf generated on a lcd monitor to start with |
| [11:00:45] | oobe: | im using a 5200 it seems to only support 1280 1024 at highest |
| [11:00:47] | CaptainCaveman: | and even then it's only a risk if the display is the type which is no longer made & doesn't have a smart controller chip in its guts |
| [11:01:08] | CaptainCaveman: | oobe: what's the panel's native resolution? |
| [11:01:18] | CaptainCaveman: | that'd be as high as you can go :) |
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| [11:02:21] | oobe: | its only 852 x 480 i thought it was higher as the manual at first glance mentions hdtv support everywhere |
| [11:02:28] | CaptainCaveman: | no doubt in the past, the uninitiated did kill their displays with bad xorg.conf files & crappy modelines but things have moved on. If the signals are out of spec just about every display on the planet will either display nothing or a nice error message |
| [11:02:31] | CaptainCaveman: | eew |
| [11:03:11] | CaptainCaveman: | remember that 'capable of showing HD' means little ;) |
| [11:03:21] | oobe: | well i didnt buy it |
| [11:03:32] | oobe: | and for what it cost i was still impressed |
| [11:03:37] | oobe: | but yeah i know |
| [11:03:40] | CaptainCaveman: | I' |
| [11:03:58] | CaptainCaveman: | I've seen plasmas of that kind of res. I wouldn't be impressed at any price – but that's me |
| [11:04:11] | oobe: | ok |
| [11:04:25] | oobe: | so whats a safe way to start |
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| [11:04:46] | CaptainCaveman: | start with trying to find a modeline for the display :) |
| [11:04:53] | oobe: | i want to try it on the lowest refresh etc. |
| [11:05:06] | oobe: | first |
| [11:05:16] | CaptainCaveman: | fwiw panels don't have a refresh rate as such |
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| [11:06:58] | CaptainCaveman: | search for the make & model number of the TV along with the word 'modeline' |
| [11:07:57] | CaptainCaveman: | or look in here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database |
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| [11:08:44] | oobe: | Your search – th-42pa60a modeline – did not match any documents. |
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| [11:08:47] | oobe: | lol |
| [11:09:01] | oobe: | Your search – th-42pa60a xorg – did not match any documents. |
| [11:09:42] | CaptainCaveman: | found a bog standard SD plasma modeline here: http://www.acaciaclose.co.uk/21141/index.html . . . sion*id*val* |
| [11:10:36] | CaptainCaveman: | 852x480 is a common (awful) resolution :) |
| [11:10:59] | oobe: | this looks ok but im not sure if the hysync or vsync is correct Modeline "852x480" 33.07 852 872 912 1068 480 483 488 516 -hsync -vsync |
| [11:12:55] | oobe: | does this part set the refresh rate 33.07 852 872 912 1068 480 483 488 516 -hsync -vsync |
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| [11:13:49] | oobe: | im not sure if my nvidia card will display in the resolution |
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| [11:13:59] | oobe: | will it default to the next closest thing |
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| [11:40:02] | styelz: | i could never find the ModeLine for my plasma either for 852x480. so i stuck with 1280x960 |
| [11:40:08] | styelz: | looks fine |
| [11:40:44] | GreyFoxx: | Your modeline must be a multiple of 8 |
| [11:40:54] | GreyFoxx: | At least if you are using nvidia |
| [11:41:03] | GreyFoxx: | so you'd have to use 848x480 |
| [11:41:09] | GreyFoxx: | whcih is what I use on my projector |
| [11:41:12] | styelz: | ah |
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| [12:20:09] | oobe: | ty GreyFoxx and styelz i just read ur comments it was helpful |
| [12:20:23] | oobe: | explains why this generator made this line |
| [12:20:36] | oobe: | Modeline "848x480@50" 25.47 848 880 976 1008 480 490 494 505 |
| [12:20:52] | oobe: | i think that's the one i should try first |
| [12:21:18] | oobe: | do you know what happens in the event it doesnt work will it default to the closet next best thing |
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| [13:21:06] | |PSU|: | has anyone recently had a problem with the online streaming music feature? it hasn't worked for about 2 weeks here. when i click on a channel, it buffers and then says "no urls found." this had worked fine for a few years and i'm still pulling listings down daily so my inet connection is working fine. thanks! |
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| [13:25:15] | justinh: | that was mentioned on the -users mailing list the other day |
| [13:25:27] | justinh: | there's been an update to mythstream |
| [13:25:36] | justinh: | which btw isn't an official plugin ;) |
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| [13:26:27] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/351742 |
| [13:26:57] | |PSU|: | thanks justinh! |
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| [13:32:27] | justinh: | maybe next time though, quote the actual name of the plugin/feature to avoid possible confuzzlement ;) |
| [13:33:19] | |PSU|: | that's why i couldn't find it :) |
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| [13:51:47] | |PSU|: | hmm, installed new shoutcast but still saying "no urls found" |
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| [13:54:52] | |PSU|: | according to that posting, he made changes |
| [13:54:52] | |PSU|: | Going through all storage areas and parsers and changing www.shoutcast.com |
| [13:54:52] | |PSU|: | to classic.shoutcast.com has fixed it for me... |
| [13:55:05] | |PSU|: | where would i find these "storage areas?" |
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| [14:16:06] | justinh: | the parser mentioned is a script I think.. it's the new parser that makes the difference apparently |
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| [14:17:04] | justinh: | RTFM on mythstream :) |
| [14:17:09] | |PSU|: | trying :P |
| [14:17:15] | justinh: | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/howto/mythstream_confs.html |
| [14:18:57] | |PSU|: | yup |
| [14:19:38] | |PSU|: | at one point he says shoutcast may be discontinued |
| [14:22:35] | |PSU|: | does shoutcast work for you? |
| [14:22:50] | justinh: | I don't use mythstream. it sucks IMHO |
| [14:22:57] | |PSU|: | :P |
| [14:23:21] | |PSU|: | do you listen to streaming music w/ your myth setup? |
| [14:23:27] | justinh: | nope |
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| [14:23:48] | |PSU|: | ok |
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| [14:24:06] | justinh: | maybe I will when something more user-friendly comes about |
| [14:25:02] | |PSU|: | yup |
| [14:26:32] | laga: | mythstream *cries* |
| [14:27:28] | justinh: | I did get it to work once though |
| [14:29:20] | |PSU|: | screw it |
| [14:29:21] | |PSU|: | heh |
| [14:29:25] | |PSU|: | thanks for your help |
| [14:29:27] | |PSU|: | c-ya |
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| [14:32:52] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
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| [15:05:33] | jarle: | I'n my backend log I see "UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done. Found 0 objects" Does this mean that it did not find any videos to share??? |
| [15:06:06] | stuarta: | pretty much |
| [15:07:43] | jarle: | stuarta: "BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/mnt/video" |
| [15:08:06] | jarle: | stuarta: will it not search in subdirs? |
| [15:09:07] | jarle: | stuarta: maybe I am missing a "/" at the end of the dir? |
| [15:09:25] | stuarta: | hmmm, maybe there's a problem there. |
| [15:09:36] | stuarta: | i've got mine set to the dir where the video are... |
| [15:10:18] | jarle: | stuarta: I have 4 subdirs under /mnt/video/ and the video plugin part of mythtv works just fine.. |
| [15:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | jarle, from the backend, find /mnt/video -type f |
| [15:10:57] | GreyFoxx: | what do you see ? |
| [15:11:09] | GreyFoxx: | a trailing / is not required |
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| [15:11:52] | jarle: | GreyFoxx: this gives me a long list of all my videos... |
| [15:12:05] | GreyFoxx: | try a on the backend |
| [15:12:11] | GreyFoxx: | killall -USR1 mythbackend |
| [15:12:16] | GreyFoxx: | it should force a rescan |
| [15:13:04] | jarle: | GreyFoxx: will this stop an ongoing recording? |
| [15:13:09] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [15:14:09] | jarle: | GreyFoxx: still get the same message in the backend log... |
| [15:14:40] | jarle: | 2008-10–03 17:13:35.418 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/mnt/video: |
| [15:14:41] | jarle: | 2008-10–03 17:13:35.477 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done. Found 0 objects |
| [15:17:53] | iamlindoro_: | Excuse my coming late to the party, but jarle, have you run mythvideo *on* the backend before? |
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| [15:18:28] | jarle: | iamlindoro: yeah, combined front/backend |
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| [15:19:46] | iamlindoro_: | k |
| [15:20:02] | jarle: | I'm thinking it might be permission related as the frontend and backend is running by different users... will check it out.. |
| [15:20:07] | wagnerrp: | ive never run mythvideo on my primary (upnp serving) backend |
| [15:20:23] | wagnerrp: | but '--upnprebuild' only works properly if i run it on my combined box |
| [15:20:54] | wagnerrp: | i would probably help to just duplicate the mythvideo path settings in the database |
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| [15:22:39] | GreyFoxx: | jarle: Sounds like the backend user can't read the video directory |
| [15:22:57] | jarle: | hmm... did a "chmod -R a+r /mnt/video" but still no change... |
| [15:25:53] | oobe: | the videos need to be mounted in the same paths |
| [15:26:46] | jarle: | oobe: this is only true for mythvideo, and that is not the problem at hand... |
| [15:26:46] | oobe: | i can give you the fstab lines from a my new setup i did yesterday hardest thing was getting it to see metadata |
| [15:26:54] | oobe: | sorry |
| [15:27:00] | oobe: | i just rejoined channel |
| [15:27:04] | jarle: | oobe: np :) |
| [15:27:14] | oobe: | i dont really know anything about your problem |
| [15:27:41] | jarle: | oobe: the problem I'm having is only related to getting the backend to see my videos |
| [15:27:42] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | is there any easy way to determine what mysql connection is locking a table and then kill that connection? |
| [15:28:06] | oobe: | oh the videos are on another other than backend |
| [15:28:13] | wagnerrp: | open up mythweb, go into the settings, database |
| [15:28:23] | wagnerrp: | gives a big list of things that are good and bad |
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| [15:29:09] | jarle: | guess this is a permission problem: sudo -u mythtv find /mnt/video -type f |
| [15:29:10] | jarle: | find: /mnt/video: Permission denied |
| [15:29:54] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [15:29:59] | wagnerrp: | is this an NFS mount? |
| [15:30:14] | wagnerrp: | err... nevermind, youre running as mythtv, not root |
| [15:30:27] | jarle: | wagnerrp: it is a cifs mount from my openfiler file-server |
| [15:30:59] | wagnerrp: | change your CIFS mounting options to make it readable by world |
| [15:31:24] | jarle: | wagnerrp: the frontend runs as "jarle" and has no problems accessing the files, the backend runs as "mythtv" and is not able to access the files it seems like.. |
| [15:31:45] | stuarta: | who owns the mount? |
| [15:31:49] | wagnerrp: | dmask and fmask in the CIFS options |
| [15:32:22] | wagnerrp: | file_mode and dir_mode would work as well |
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| [15:33:13] | jarle: | wagnerrp: "jarle" owns the mount and I have file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
| [15:33:13] | wagnerrp: | ',file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775' |
| [15:33:21] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [15:34:02] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, mount it as local group 'video', and put both users in the 'video' group |
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| [15:34:09] | oobe: | jarle just try using nfs i can give some very nice easy example's for fstab |
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| [15:35:50] | oobe: | /etc/exports /data/Documents/media/mp3z 192.168.0.12(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) /etc/fstab on remote machine box:/data/Documents/media/vids /data/Documents/media/vids nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0 |
| [15:36:10] | jarle: | oobe: I prefer cifs so I can have my shares password protected... |
| [15:36:18] | oobe: | ok |
| [15:38:25] | jarle: | hmmm... a dir wil need to have the "x" bit set for a user to be able to cd into it if I remember correctly? |
| [15:38:59] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [15:39:25] | jarle: | wagnerrp: guess I found the problem, a missing "x" for others... |
| [15:39:28] | wagnerrp: | but at 777, that *shouldnt* be a problem |
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| [15:39:49] | stuarta: | nor at 775 |
| [15:40:01] | stuarta: | or 755 |
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| [15:42:10] | jarle: | "UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done. Found 2903 objects" somehow the share was not mounted with correct permissions. |
| [15:42:27] | jarle: | works fine now, thanks for you input! |
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| [16:22:21] | MrGandalf: | any hdpvr users here? |
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| [16:25:45] | MrGandalf: | too quiet |
| [16:26:26] | iamlindoro_: | MrGandalf: yes, but in trunk |
| [16:26:50] | MrGandalf: | iamlindoro_: can you do me a small favor? |
| [16:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | Not at home, but I can do what I can for you |
| [16:27:35] | MrGandalf: | I just need a "select * from capturecard;" and a "select * from cardinput;" and pasted to pastebin.ca or something |
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| [16:27:40] | iamlindoro_: | sure |
| [16:27:47] | MrGandalf: | thanks! |
| [16:27:56] | MrGandalf: | I want to hand create the entries. |
| [16:28:08] | MrGandalf: | (since I'm not at home either) |
| [16:29:02] | iamlindoro_: | MrGandalf: http://rafb.net/p/EhP4vy98.html |
| [16:29:21] | MrGandalf: | perfect, many thanks! |
| [16:29:40] | iamlindoro_: | no problem, anytime |
| [16:30:03] | MrGandalf: | damn, too many columns.. this'll take me a little while. |
| [16:30:15] | iamlindoro_: | yeh, it's a ton of columns |
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| [16:40:05] | MrGandalf: | iamlindoro_: which audio input do you use, back or front? Analog or digital? |
| [16:40:16] | iamlindoro_: | Currently, SPDIF in |
| [16:40:28] | MrGandalf: | ok.. time to look at source then, thanks |
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| [16:41:00] | iamlindoro_: | I think v4l2-ctl will be adequate |
| [16:42:16] | MrGandalf: | true: Audio input : 0 (RCA back) |
| [16:43:25] | MrGandalf: | ugh, you use dvb_wait_for_seqstart |
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| [16:44:23] | foo8ar: | Hi all, Any myth OS X users here? |
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| [16:45:08] | iamlindoro_: | MrGandalf: hm? |
| [16:45:59] | MrGandalf: | iamlindoro_: delays tuning quite a bit in some cases. |
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| [16:46:34] | iamlindoro_: | MrGandalf: Hmm, haven't seen any issues, but then, I don't watch LiveTV so it might be more obvious there |
| [16:49:13] | janneg: | MrGandalf: yes |
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| [16:50:19] | MrGandalf: | janneg: if you mind me asking, I was wondering if resolution change support was being worked on or if it's already in the driver. |
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| [17:56:48] | ** rodimus will hopefully be an hd pvr user come this weekend... ** | |
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| [18:03:55] | xris: | freezeman: linuxtv.org |
| [18:05:10] | freezeman: | xris, Some kind of rtfm... been looking around there but doesnt getting smarter from that. |
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| [18:10:43] | xris: | freezeman: odd. their wiki used to list pretty much every linux-compatible TV card |
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| [18:12:36] | rodimus: | nnggggggghh. dammit, rawhide... |
| [18:12:45] | freezeman: | Well... I find it a little bit hard to know what to put my money on... Looking at prisjakt.se and looking at the tv-cards and the wiki... And that makes me feel like im walking around and around all the time. |
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| [18:13:12] | freezeman: | Baby-things to do... |
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| [18:27:14] | janneg: | MrGandalf: I don't really know where the resolution change problem is |
| [18:27:52] | janneg: | I can't test it myself but I hope that the buffer rewrite I do for the driver will solve it |
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| [18:38:09] | MrGandalf: | janneg: k, thanks |
| [18:38:27] | MrGandalf: | is a PVR-x50 considered an analog card type? |
| [18:39:01] | laga: | if you ask me: yes |
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| [18:39:25] | MrGandalf: | IsProperlyConnected() complained about there being two scannable inputs and one non-scannable and it looks like the code determines that if it seems both a digital and an analog on the same source |
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| [18:39:59] | MrGandalf: | If that's the case, I'm a bit confused. Why would a PVR-x50 be considered an analog and an HD-PVR be considered a digital? |
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| [18:41:28] | MrGandalf: | this looks to be preventing new channels from being added. |
| [18:41:41] | MrGandalf: | or current channel definitions from being updated. |
| [18:43:35] | MrGandalf: | hmm, HDPVR is setup as a analog.. wonder what the problem is then |
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| [18:57:57] | MrGandalf: | ok, I was looking at it wrong.. type MPEG is considered scanable, whereas HDPVR is not. |
| [18:58:11] | MrGandalf: | hmm.. could present a problem. |
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| [20:02:50] | laga: | oobe: i have no clue what's causing your problems with mythtv. (just replied to your posting) |
| [20:03:09] | laga: | oobe: do you have LocalHostName set in mysql.txt? |
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| [20:15:08] | fishsponge_: | hey people... i can browse through mythmusic by artist (A-Z) but is there a way to browse by album or folder? |
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| [20:17:35] | fryfrog: | fishsponge_: i dunno if it works, but hit "M" and see if anything liek that is there |
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| [20:18:36] | fishsponge_: | nah... smart playlists, and search, but no "by album" or "by folder" |
| [20:18:40] | fishsponge_: | it's not the end of the world... |
| [20:18:46] | fishsponge_: | but would be nice, of course :-) |
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| [20:20:08] | fishsponge_: | i've just noticed a slightly more important quirk though... |
| [20:20:17] | fryfrog: | i find the mythmusic interface to bad to use to listen to music, i just run mpd on the box and use jinzora |
| [20:20:27] | iamlindoro_: | Jesus, the insane made up names for the HD-PVR are becoming more elaborate on -users |
| [20:20:43] | iamlindoro_: | Now it's randomly the "HD1212" instead of the still-obnoxious "1212" |
| [20:20:44] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: what do you mean? |
| [20:20:49] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [20:20:56] | fryfrog: | where does this "1212" come from? |
| [20:21:06] | iamlindoro_: | It's the Product # internalls from Hauppauge |
| [20:21:07] | fishsponge_: | just ripped sevearl albums by Various Artists... i checked the "Compilation" box and entered "Comp. Artist" as Various, and "Artist" as Queen, Deftones, etc... but they're all appearing under "Various" in the group listing... instead of "Q" for "Queen" etc... |
| [20:21:21] | fishsponge_: | is there a way to fix that? |
| [20:21:48] | fryfrog: | fishsponge_: check what myth did to the id3 tags maybe? |
| [20:21:52] | clev: | weee |
| [20:21:58] | clev: | rogers is changing the firmware in all the boxes |
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| [20:22:12] | clev: | acording to the site, all the PVR boxes will loose every recording and schedule! |
| [20:22:18] | fishsponge_: | myth did the tags correctly... according to "easytag" anyway |
| [20:22:27] | fishsponge_: | Artist: Queen |
| [20:22:39] | fishsponge_: | but it appears under "Artist: Various" within mythmusic |
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| [20:23:21] | iamlindoro_: | clev: Sounds like a good time to be running $HomebrewPVR |
| [20:23:28] | clev: | yep |
| [20:23:49] | iamlindoro_: | Remeber, per cable companies, those recordings aren't "yours" anyway |
| [20:24:12] | fishsponge_: | does mythmusic follow the directory structure for artists instead of looking at the ID3 tags when it comes to browsing through the music? |
| [20:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeeeee, who needs to read the wiki when you can just ask in IRC? |
| [20:24:58] | clev: | fishsponge_: ive noticed alot of songs with garbage info like an artist of 'Muzik' (a folder it was in at one time) but im not shure what program tried to be smart and fix things |
| [20:25:21] | clev: | my songs have passed thru 2–3 computers and multiple OS's |
| [20:26:13] | fishsponge_: | well my ID3 tags are perfect... but some of the songs with "Queen" as the Artist are in "/var/lib/mythtv/music/Various/Album/01. Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen).flac" |
| [20:26:33] | fishsponge_: | and as a result, when i browse my music in mythmusic, it comes up under the "Various" group in terms of artist |
| [20:26:51] | Easy_Rider9999: | Hallo I use a seria IR-Blaster with Mythtv and channel changing works, but the Receiver I control is not switched on and off by the script.... |
| [20:27:13] | fishsponge_: | it tells me that the artist is Queen when i select it and view it's info, but if i don't go to "Various" and go to "Queen" instead, that song doesn't appear there... because it's appearing under the "Various" group instead |
| [20:27:45] | fishsponge_: | is there a way to get mythmusic to actually use the ID3 tags for the artist groups instead of the filesystem? |
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| [20:30:49] | oobe: | laga i just read your message and responded |
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| [20:38:37] | fishsponge_: | is there a way to get mythmusic to use the ID3 tags for the artist groups instead of the filesystem tree? (i.e. i want it to list songs by the artist in the ID3 tag, not the directory it's in... otherwise a whole bunch of stuff is listed under "V" for "Various" instead of the proper artist names that are in the ID3 tags) |
| [20:41:17] | GreyFoxx: | There must be away since mine does that now |
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| [20:46:50] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | It does that by default. |
| [20:47:01] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | you must have flipped the switch that ignores the id3 tags. |
| [20:55:24] | fishsponge_: | let me go check... |
| [20:56:09] | fishsponge_: | nope... "Ignore ID3 Tags" is not checked |
| [20:57:01] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...then mythmusic should be annoyingly compliant with those tags of yours. |
| [20:57:44] | fishsponge_: | if i search for an artist, i get all of their tracks, from the various directory, and others, it's just in the listing which you press up, down, left and right to navigate through, if you know what i mean... |
| [20:58:16] | fishsponge_: | and if i press enter on a track to play it, i see the correct ID3 information in the info pane in the bottom half of the screen |
| [20:58:36] | fishsponge_: | it's just the browsable tree of songs that displays things by their top-level directory |
| [21:00:08] | fishsponge_: | i don't know if it makes a difference, but "/var/lib/mythtv/music/cdbackups" is a symlink to somewhere on an NFS mount point, and "/var/lib/mythtv/music/music" is also a symlink to somewhere else on an NFS mount point |
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| [21:00:54] | fishsponge_: | so my directory structure for "cd backups" does like this... ".../cdbackups/Various/Album/01. Track (Artist).flac" |
| [21:01:26] | fishsponge_: | and that is displayed under the artist "Various" despite the ID3 tag having the proper artist (same as in the brackets) filled in. |
| [21:01:50] | fishsponge_: | is it possible that it hasn't read the ID3 tags since ripping? |
| [21:02:01] | fishsponge_: | does scanning for new music re-read all ID3 tags? if not, how can i do that? |
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| [21:48:04] | Frogbarf: | what is a good tv card with a digital tuner to use in the US? I am about to go out and buy some parts for one |
| [21:48:45] | Frogbarf: | i want something with a digital tuner and don't want to have to keep running back to the store |
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| [21:49:06] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: there is a wiki page i believe, what sort of signal are you snarfing? |
| [21:49:18] | Frogbarf: | snarfing? |
| [21:49:27] | Frogbarf: | a tv signal over cable? |
| [21:49:42] | fryfrog: | okay, so what are you hoping to capture? |
| [21:49:43] | Frogbarf: | i just want to know what brands are the best. |
| [21:49:46] | fryfrog: | your HD channels? |
| [21:49:52] | Frogbarf: | fryfrog: yes |
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| [21:50:03] | Frogbarf: | I don't have hd yet, but if i can get it to work then yes |
| [21:50:08] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: are you going to be happy with only the major networks, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc? |
| [21:50:14] | Frogbarf: | i assume an hd card can do regular cable |
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| [21:50:26] | Frogbarf: | i want to get all channels |
| [21:50:36] | fryfrog: | then you don't want to go buy any card |
| [21:50:44] | Frogbarf: | rigtht now i only have regular cable but i am considering upgrading |
| [21:50:49] | fryfrog: | any digital card will only be able to get unencrypted qam |
| [21:51:22] | Frogbarf: | well I could get what comes off the cable box right? |
| [21:51:26] | fryfrog: | which on 99.9% (statistic made up) of cable providers is going to be the major FTA networks (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc, etc) and a bunch of the crap shopping channels. |
| [21:51:47] | fryfrog: | a digital/analog card would get you analog channels 1 – ~70 as well, but in analog crap of course. |
| [21:51:57] | Frogbarf: | so what is a good "allaround" digital card? |
| [21:52:18] | iamlindoro_: | The quality of your digital tuner is immaterial, it'll never get you all your channels |
| [21:52:29] | Frogbarf: | i want one that will give me the least amount trouble and the most use? |
| [21:53:04] | Frogbarf: | ok, let me rephrase the question. What cards should I avoid? |
| [21:53:06] | abqjp: | Frogbarf: HDhomerun for unencrypted digital (ATSC/QAM). HD-PVR if you want to record HD from you STB (set top box). |
| [21:53:34] | abqjp: | Or, would you be happy with Standard Def? |
| [21:53:38] | Frogbarf: | I just want to make sure the card works with linux first of all |
| [21:53:43] | Frogbarf: | i want high def |
| [21:53:56] | iamlindoro_: | Keepin in mind that you should *only* get a Hauppeg HD-PVR if you are comfortable building myth and drivers from source, and don't need any assistance in doing so |
| [21:53:57] | Frogbarf: | I want a good high def card that works with linu |
| [21:54:15] | iamlindoro_: | otherwise you can wait for Myth .22 |
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| [21:54:31] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge |
| [21:54:36] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: here is what i'm not sure you are getting: |
| [21:54:37] | iamlindoro_: | (fixed spelling) |
| [21:55:03] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: if you buy *any* "digital" card to use with cable, you will get ~5–6 HD channels out of the 10–30 that might be available. |
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| [21:55:25] | fryfrog: | you will *NOT* be able to get the "good" stuff like TNTHD, DiscoveryHD, A&EHD, HBOHD, etc, etc, etc |
| [21:55:36] | abqjp: | Frogbarf: I use a HDhomerun with an antenna to get Fox, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, WB all in glorious HD. Works great with linux. Will NOT get you channels like DiscoveryHD. |
| [21:56:11] | Frogbarf: | Are those channels encrypted to the screen? |
| [21:56:29] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: they are encypted on the cable |
| [21:56:47] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: you need a cablecard device (STB, TV) that will decrypt it |
| [21:56:57] | Frogbarf: | so I could go from the cable box to the mythbox to get some channels? |
| [21:57:15] | fryfrog: | In my case, I use a HD STB from comcast hooked to my MythTV server via firewire. |
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| [21:57:37] | fryfrog: | You could also hook an STB to an *analog* input card with svideo/rca/rf if you wanted. |
| [21:57:46] | Frogbarf: | is an STB what most people call a "cable box"? |
| [21:57:59] | Frogbarf: | I want it to be hd ready |
| [21:58:02] | fryfrog: | and very new is a device called the HD-PVR which is an HD analog input device |
| [21:58:09] | fryfrog: | STB means "Set Top Box" |
| [21:58:25] | Frogbarf: | is a "Set Top Box" what most people call a "cable box" |
| [21:58:26] | Frogbarf: | ? |
| [21:58:36] | fryfrog: | sure, it can also mean a satalite box too |
| [21:58:47] | fryfrog: | or if you want, it oculd be those new HD -> SD OTA devices |
| [21:59:39] | Frogbarf: | But is an STB the "box" that is usually provided by most providers that hooks to most people's TVs? You tend you speak in terms that are rather terse |
| [22:00:05] | fryfrog: | yup |
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| [22:00:27] | fryfrog: | I think "STB" is a very general term, any "box" that sits on (around?) your TV that you have to use to watch TV. |
| [22:00:38] | abqjp: | fryfrog: your cheapest solution to get HD from your cable box is firewire, however MOST cable companies use 5C to prevent you from using their STBs that way. |
| [22:00:45] | fryfrog: | exactly |
| [22:01:01] | Frogbarf: | so in other words... I pretty much want to watch *any* hd channel coming *out* of the STB if I get one. |
| [22:01:02] | fryfrog: | what it boils down to is this: it is *really* hard to get a lot of HD content in a legitimate way |
| [22:01:08] | fryfrog: | they erect *many* barriers |
| [22:01:40] | abqjp: | That is why I use the HDhomerun to get the MAJOR networks via an antenna, since that is free. Then I use a HD-PVR to get the "premium" channels from my Directv STB. |
| [22:02:15] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf: if you want *every* channel, easily, with little work (HD and SD alike) you are out of luck right at this moment. |
| [22:02:16] | Frogbarf: | does your directtv STB play games with your myttv? |
| [22:02:28] | abqjp: | play games? |
| [22:02:55] | fryfrog: | This new product the HD-PVR takes a component input (the RGB cables) and turns it into h264 for your myth box, but it is very new and only in the development version of mythtv. |
| [22:03:05] | fryfrog: | also, the drivers are very new and still being developed (i believe) |
| [22:03:13] | Frogbarf: | i c |
| [22:03:16] | abqjp: | True. |
| [22:04:06] | fryfrog: | so if your goal is all hd channels, i'd suggest waiting |
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| [22:04:31] | fryfrog: | in the mean time, you could get a cheap hardware mpeg2 card and go with analog cable until you spring for HD (and a STB and an HD-PVR (which is $250 btw)) |
| [22:05:28] | abqjp: | While the HD-PVR is still "experimental" I have been using it for a couple of months with great success. That being said, I wrote a good chunk of the Myth support for the HD-PVR, so I am better prepared to deal with any problems.... |
| [22:05:42] | fryfrog: | ahaha, nice! |
| [22:05:55] | fryfrog: | i'll wait for mythtv 0.22 and a bit more stabilization |
| [22:06:06] | abqjp: | Good plan. |
| [22:06:16] | fryfrog: | as a very experienced user of the hd-pvr, do you think they'll be able to fix the uh... time slice thing? |
| [22:06:25] | fryfrog: | the problem that makes it hard to make good use of dual cores? |
| [22:06:45] | abqjp: | We have to wait for the ffmpeg project to come through, there. |
| [22:06:51] | fryfrog: | i'm also hoping that the price will come down a little, $250 for one of those things is a bit steep :/ |
| [22:07:01] | abqjp: | I have seen them on sale for $210. |
| [22:07:05] | fryfrog: | abqjp: i thought it was a problem with the way the hd-pvr encoded h264? |
| [22:07:57] | abqjp: | It is, and there is nothing we can do about that. There is a guy in the ffmpeg project working on threading the decoding of non-sliced h264, but I think it has kinda stalled at this point. |
| [22:08:57] | GreyFoxx: | Think there is any chance a future firmware update could use slices? Or is it likely a hardware limitation ? |
| [22:09:46] | fryfrog: | yeah, i guess that is what i originally meant (not that i have a problem with ffmpeg fixing it either) |
| [22:09:51] | abqjp: | Asked hauppauge about that, and I get the impression that the encoding chip they are using just is not capable of doing that. |
| [22:10:02] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [22:10:43] | jduggan: | slightly offtopic, but i would be usin it for myth... does anyon know if the nvidia driver in linux would support 4 screens if i put two pcie cards in a box? |
| [22:11:03] | jduggan: | `twin`view using quad screens so to speak ;p |
| [22:11:33] | fryfrog: | i don't think i've ever really done multi-monitor in linux, i'm not sure :/ |
| [22:11:33] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: yes |
| [22:11:39] | jduggan: | or is twinview literally just two screen capable as the name implies |
| [22:11:46] | fryfrog: | would that be one big 4 screen desktop? |
| [22:11:47] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: I currently use 3 on my desktop |
| [22:11:49] | fryfrog: | or using it as two? |
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| [22:12:24] | jduggan: | MaliutaLap: using nvidia driver? or seperate card and xinerama etc |
| [22:12:27] | fryfrog: | one of the coolest setups i've read about is a library that put like 4kb/mice/mon on a linux box to use as their internet browsing / word preccessing computers |
| [22:12:28] | jduggan: | fryfrog: one large desktop |
| [22:12:40] | MaliutaLap: | fryfrog: I use 3 monitors in xinerama mode, so each is a separate space, |
| [22:12:41] | fryfrog: | but that was just 4 instances of X |
| [22:12:45] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: yes |
| [22:13:07] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: 2 pcie 7300's with the nvidia driver |
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| [22:14:16] | jduggan: | i use dual currently with one pcie, i have a third riding off another box using synergy, tried pci cards etc but its a mess, prolly gonna get another pcie and do quad in that case |
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| [22:15:04] | Spida: | is there a way to set the Security Pin without using mythtv-setup? like using mysql? |
| [22:16:06] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: I have used all mixes of cards (2 x pci, 1 x pci 1 x agp, 1 x pcie 1x pci) and had now problems |
| [22:16:57] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: the only issue I ever had was one card having a chipset not fully supported by the driver |
| [22:18:10] | jduggan: | MaliutaLap: well thats sorta problem i had is that my PCI nvidia card is using legacy drivers etc |
| [22:18:15] | jduggan: | was a pain to get both working |
| [22:19:18] | fryfrog: | jduggan: you mean you have to use legacy *and* not nvidia drivers at the same time? |
| [22:19:26] | MaliutaLap: | jduggan: mine was a little strranger, the anoying thing is that it shut off glx on 1 screen only and made a whole heap of things not render properly |
| [22:19:40] | MaliutaLap: | which is why when I built the new desktop I got matching cards |
| [22:19:51] | jduggan: | fryfrog: essentially yeas |
| [22:21:21] | fryfrog: | yikes :p |
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| [22:31:01] | orangepeelbeef: | hey guys, i've been messing around with firewire dct-6212 and i have it mostly working at this point |
| [22:31:17] | orangepeelbeef: | but i get no sound whatsover when i am watching tv through the firewire |
| [22:32:26] | fryfrog: | orangepeelbeef: as in "live tv"? |
| [22:32:30] | fryfrog: | what about recordings? |
| [22:32:43] | fryfrog: | also... do you get sound from say, videos in mythvideo? |
| [22:32:46] | orangepeelbeef: | fryfrog: yes "live tv" i haven't tried recordings yet, i can only get one channel |
| [22:32:59] | orangepeelbeef: | fryfrog: yep videos i use all the time and it is workign properly |
| [22:33:01] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [22:33:03] | fryfrog: | kk |
| [22:33:15] | fryfrog: | hard to test firewire w/o something ... to test it with :p |
| [22:33:19] | fryfrog: | like a tv or vcr with firwire |
| [22:33:46] | orangepeelbeef: | i also can't get the xmltv grabber to do anything, and find channels doesn't work, so i had to manual create a channel |
| [22:33:51] | orangepeelbeef: | what do you mean fryfrog |
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| [22:35:17] | fryfrog: | i mean, how can you find out if the problem is the STB or myth? |
| [22:35:31] | fryfrog: | do you have something firewire (besides myth) you can plug in? |
| [22:35:40] | fryfrog: | orangepeelbeef: in the US? |
| [22:35:47] | orangepeelbeef: | yes in the us |
| [22:35:58] | fryfrog: | not using datadirect? |
| [22:36:00] | orangepeelbeef: | good point i guess fryfrog |
| [22:36:11] | orangepeelbeef: | they charge money don't they? |
| [22:36:28] | fryfrog: | yeah, like $20/year |
| [22:36:33] | fryfrog: | or less |
| [22:36:34] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [22:36:39] | fryfrog: | i forget, but totally worth it :) |
| [22:37:09] | orangepeelbeef: | i figured i'd probably write one parsing tvplanner.comcast.net but for now i was using the directv parser |
| [22:37:58] | orangepeelbeef: | either way, am i going to have to manually create every station? |
| [22:39:19] | fryfrog: | unless you use datadirect |
| [22:39:25] | fryfrog: | well, honestly i have nfi |
| [22:39:34] | fryfrog: | but datadirect works and you wont have to |
| [22:39:50] | orangepeelbeef: | hm maybe i'll do the trial there and see if that gets that part workign |
| [22:40:26] | orangepeelbeef: | but the sound should work over the firewire port right, maybe i'll disconnect the regular rca's that are coming out of the cable box atm, it could be using those |
| [22:40:45] | fryfrog: | yeah, sound should totally work over firewire |
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| [22:40:56] | fryfrog: | it does for my two STBs (which are flakey in other ways) |
| [22:41:21] | fryfrog: | there may be some (hidden?) setting somewhere on the STB |
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| [22:45:30] | orangepeelbeef: | i'll go into the diagnosticmenu |
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| [22:47:09] | orangepeelbeef: | what about like freeguide no good? |
| [22:48:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef: The issue with scraper scripts is that they either violate the listing providers TOS, or break often. schedulesdirect works, and will continue to work... period... |
| [22:50:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef: $20/year is only $1.67/month, or 5.5cents per day... |
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| [22:58:39] | oobe: | J-e-f-f-A, i dont use schudules direct cause im in australia and we have an awesome script called shepherd that get's guide data from multiple multiple multiple sources then add's extra info from imdb and tv.com plus it even lets you choose and update automatically different icon themes :) |
| [22:59:20] | orangepeelbeef: | is there anything special i have to do for hd stations? |
| [23:00:11] | orangepeelbeef: | or will they just not work |
| [23:02:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef: over firewire? If you can view them on your TV, but not get them through firewire, maybe they're encrypted... |
| [23:02:06] | oobe: | there meant to work |
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| [23:05:50] | orangepeelbeef: | i got a "partial lock" |
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| [23:25:27] | orangepeelbeef_: | when i go to an hd local station i get a "partial lock" |
| [23:26:22] | SiD4WiNDR is now known as sid3windr | |
| [23:27:33] | orangepeelbeef_: | L__ Partial lock |
| [23:28:41] | orangepeelbeef_: | libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_bcast_output: Failed to set the oPCR[0] plug for node 63. |
| [23:29:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef_: Sorry, my HD is currently OTA HD, so I don't have any experience with the firewire stuff... (Cumcast in this area encrypts it from what I understand...) |
| [23:29:45] | orangepeelbeef_: | but with OTA, you can't get like discover or scifi |
| [23:30:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef_: Yeah, I know. I get them in SD via Dish Network STBs and S-video into my Hauppauge PVR-500... |
| [23:30:44] | fryfrog: | orangepeelbeef: are you using p2p or broadcast mode? |
| [23:30:48] | orangepeelbeef_: | broadcast mode |
| [23:30:55] | orangepeelbeef_: | p2p didn't work for me |
| [23:30:55] | fryfrog: | have you tried p2p? |
| [23:30:58] | fryfrog: | sometimes they... |
| [23:31:01] | fryfrog: | ah, kk (same here) |
| [23:31:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, but better than nothing.... |
| [23:31:29] | fryfrog: | you can use the STBs diagnostic mode to see if it is 5C'd? |
| [23:31:49] | orangepeelbeef_: | no idea heh |
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| [23:33:09] | Frogbarf_: | I got the card |
| [23:33:20] | Frogbarf_: | I don't know why I couldn't just get a straight answer before |
| [23:33:30] | Frogbarf_: | I got a WinTV-HVR 1600 |
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| [23:35:39] | orangepeelbeef_: | it says 5c implementation no |
| [23:36:22] | fryfrog: | Frogbarf_: well, don't cry when the *ONLY* channels you get are the major networks. |
| [23:36:30] | fryfrog: | and they are very hard to find |
| [23:36:41] | fryfrog: | and you have to do manual db editing to get it working with your cable |
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| [23:36:58] | fryfrog: | if you want HD and easy, grab an antenna and just receive the same thing for free. |
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| [23:41:08] | Frogbarf_: | The person in the store said he gets everything his STB puts to the TV and in HD |
| [23:42:05] | fryfrog: | okay, well i am not betting any money on it but if that ends up being true you can count yourself lucky! |
| [23:43:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees with fryfrog... ** | |
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| [23:43:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Frogbarf_: They are SALES people, remember???? |
| [23:44:43] | fryfrog: | yeah, i was going to say something like that :p |
| [23:44:46] | iamlindoro: | Sigh, let's put this to rest |
| [23:44:51] | iamlindoro: | Frogbarf, what's your zip code |
| [23:45:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Anyone else using a PVR-500 and getting scratchy audio on the 2nd tuner only (part of the time) |
| [23:45:16] | iamlindoro: | So that we can all know about how the salesperson is full of shit |
| [23:45:39] | iamlindoro: | *especially* with Comcast in Colorado where last I heard they encrypted the shit out of everything |
| [23:45:50] | iamlindoro: | (but locals and networks TV, that is) |
| [23:45:57] | iamlindoro: | So, make with the zip code |
| [23:47:37] | Frogbarf_: | 80014 |
| [23:47:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=80014 |
| [23:48:05] | iamlindoro: | locals and some VOD channels. The end. |
| [23:48:10] | iamlindoro: | Salesman full of shit. |
| [23:49:08] | iamlindoro: | The "Unknowns" are VOD channels, and you'll get the remaining 10–15 others with callsigns... religious programming, network TV, and a couple of shopping channels, by the look of it |
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| [23:51:59] | spond: | I'm looking for advice |
| [23:52:16] | iamlindoro: | Make an honest woman of her, or you'll always regret it |
| [23:52:19] | fryfrog: | avoid sexual relations with your mother. |
| [23:52:25] | iamlindoro: | She's carrying your child for god's sake |
| [23:52:33] | spond: | hardware advice |
| [23:52:42] | iamlindoro: | Don't put it into anything with open sores |
| [23:52:50] | fryfrog: | if your penis isn't long enough, you can use a falsie. |
| [23:52:51] | cesman: | ouch! |
| [23:53:00] | iamlindoro: | Aw, who'm I kidding, we're all about Open Sores software here |
| [23:53:01] | sid3windr: | Don't eat yellow snow? |
| [23:53:07] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
| [23:53:10] | cesman: | iamlindoro seems to be on point... |
| [23:53:20] | orangepeelbeef_: | iamlindoro: does that list page (silicondust) show what shoudl work over firewire also? |
| [23:53:26] | iamlindoro: | orangepeelbeef_, no |
| [23:54:35] | iamlindoro: | The few people who have come in trying to do firewire in Colorado that I have heard have been extremely disappointed-- it's entirely likely, based on previous experience, that you would get less still via firewire than you will via QAM. |
| [23:54:40] | fryfrog: | spond: for serious, we all love to provide advice. if you narrow it down, you'll probably get something useful :) |
| [23:54:45] | spond: | I am looking for a low profile pci card to work with mythbuntu, mythtv, in conjunction with a satellite dish |
| [23:55:04] | iamlindoro: | What satellite service do you aim to capture? |
| [23:55:23] | fryfrog: | spond: a satalite card or an analog sd card? |
| [23:55:38] | fryfrog: | not that i know of a low profile in either catagory :/ |
| [23:56:59] | iamlindoro: | There are low Profile PVR-150s, 1600s, those would work when capturing from the STB |
| [23:57:18] | fryfrog: | is the hd-pvr pretty small? |
| [23:57:24] | iamlindoro: | ish |
| [23:57:35] | fryfrog: | anything common you can think of that is ~ the same size? |
| [23:57:36] | spond: | I havent got that far yet, I was going to go with a actual Nfusion Nova receiver and then to the mythbuntu pc but I'm trying to find a cheaper route |
| [23:57:36] | iamlindoro: | about the size of a medium sized router or so |
| [23:57:42] | fryfrog: | ah, thats not bad |
| [23:58:01] | fryfrog: | spond: what country? and what service does that get? |
| [23:58:06] | iamlindoro: | It's about the same dimensions as an apple airport router, but twice as tall |
| [23:58:09] | iamlindoro: | He's in the US |
| [23:58:11] | spond: | thats what im looking at now the wintvpvr-150L but there is no remote which creates another issue |
| [23:58:16] | spond: | yes us |
| [23:58:23] | fryfrog: | spond: just get any MCE remote |
| [23:58:39] | spond: | ty fryfrog |
| [23:58:42] | iamlindoro: | the PVR-150 is a good card, and the MCE editions come with a USB RF emitter and receiver which you can use to change channels on your box |
| [23:59:01] | fryfrog: | wow, usb RF? |
| [23:59:05] | iamlindoro: | er sorry |
| [23:59:06] | iamlindoro: | IR |
| [23:59:10] | iamlindoro: | typing too quickly, you are right |
| [23:59:26] | fryfrog: | i didn't know either way, was gonna say usb rf would have been awesome :0 |
| [23:59:39] | spond: | now if I have the pvr-150L and a MCE remote, will this allow me to receive the sat as well as record it or will I need a second card |
| [23:59:40] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, the Snapstream firefly is a USB RF remote, it's pretty nice |
| [23:59:53] | fryfrog: | spond: if you aren't trying to do satalite inside your puter, you can get away with any decent hardware mpeg2 card (pvr150, 250, 500, etc) |
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