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[00:03:23] | Wicked: | hmm...unplugged for a min.....plugged back in..tuned on the box and its still failing the p2p test |
[00:03:58] | iamlindoro: | Could be that they have that program 5C. Tough to tell. |
[00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | or ven everything after 5 PM, or whatever. |
[00:04:18] | Wicked: | hmmm |
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[00:06:12] | Wicked: | hmm.....it worked after 7pm...and stopped working like 15 mins ago.....so that would put it around 745....would it be likely they just turn on encryption then? |
[00:07:10] | iamlindoro: | There's no predicting cable companies |
[00:07:24] | Wicked: | damn them! damn them all to hell! |
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[00:16:59] | kormoc: | Wicked, if you damn them to hell, won't you end up joining them? |
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[00:21:44] | Wicked: | kormoc, i was allready heading there anyways ;-o |
[00:23:10] | elprespufferfish: | argh, if i start a second mythfrontend it works ine |
[00:23:36] | dustybin: | Wicked: come and join me and clever :P |
[00:23:50] | Wicked: | dustybin, ok ill bring the hookers! |
[00:23:59] | dustybin: | :) |
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[00:30:37] | Wicked: | ugh. i really hope comcast just doent enable 5c after a certain time :( |
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[00:41:27] | wagnerrp: | seems my last QAM scan picked up TBS, that would be great if i ever recorded anything on there |
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[00:48:30] | Wicked: | well i think comcast crippled my box :( |
[00:48:52] | iamlindoro: | doubtful, but anything's possible |
[00:49:14] | iamlindoro: | Like I said, Headend policies are created per-class-of-device, not per individual |
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[00:50:00] | Wicked: | yea i know...i dont mean just MY box..but all the boxes in our town..or neighborhood..or w/e |
[00:50:33] | Wicked: | it worked good...then it just stopped working as soon as i tried using both firewire and svideo |
[00:50:40] | iamlindoro: | Pretty unlikely that it would just happen a few hours after you got it, but who knows? |
[00:51:14] | fryfrog: | "the man" at comcast certainly has done stranger things :p |
[00:51:16] | Wicked: | maby they flagged my account after lastnight...then saw i got one and decided to toy with me lol |
[00:51:24] | fryfrog: | haha |
[00:51:48] | fryfrog: | maybe they hang out in here and when they find someone who is wanting to use firewire... and they figure out who they are... BAM!@ |
[00:52:06] | Wicked: | i tried the second firewire port too on the stb.....no go |
[00:52:21] | Wicked: | right.....they have infiltrated us! THE PIPES ARE NOT CLEAN |
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[00:54:49] | Wicked: | would myth know what to record from with firewire and svideo?. |
[00:56:08] | Wicked: | say i have shows on hbo set to record..and i only get hbo with svideo....but i fall asleep watching from the firewire...will mythtv know to switch over to svideo and record hbo? |
[00:56:51] | wagnerrp: | one STB means one recording |
[00:57:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning if youre on firewire, you cant record over svideo |
[00:57:38] | Wicked: | yea i know that. but currently to switch from firewire to svideo..i have to select menu then chose the different input. |
[00:57:38] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, just make sure HBO is not on the firewire source |
[00:57:53] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv will not think to record it over firewire |
[00:58:00] | Wicked: | oh ok. so remove the channels firewire wont get...from the channels set to firewire |
[00:58:08] | wagnerrp: | selecting an input is only for livetv |
[00:58:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, have them as two separate sources, with different channel listings |
[00:58:50] | wagnerrp: | firewire gets what firewire can have, svideo gets what firewire cant have |
[00:58:56] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to have overlap |
[00:59:01] | Wicked: | ah gotcha |
[00:59:49] | Wicked: | so this is a bummer about the firewire cutting out at like 7:45....i wonder if there just gonna block out primetime tv... |
[01:00:02] | Wicked: | like i wonder if firewire will work again at 10 or 11pm |
[01:00:36] | Wicked: | but even then...shouldnt i by law...get the local stations still over firewire?...even during primetime? |
[01:01:08] | Wicked: | maby i have a lawsuit on my hands!!!! lol |
[01:03:16] | iamlindoro: | Well now the shoe is on the other footish |
[01:03:23] | wagnerrp: | by law, they are required to rebroadcast the local channels over QAM |
[01:03:25] | iamlindoro: | since the regulation requires that the port be functional |
[01:03:35] | iamlindoro: | not that you necessarily get TV over it |
[01:03:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if HD is required, i dont know if you have to make it available over firewire |
[01:03:46] | iamlindoro: | there's a pretty broad interpretation of what "functional" is |
[01:04:03] | wagnerrp: | my SBE is currently hosed |
[01:04:06] | Wicked: | hmm. damn lawyers |
[01:04:22] | Wicked: | and i thought they had to provide the normal local stations.... |
[01:04:38] | iamlindoro: | that's the usual interpretation... but strictly speaking, it doesn't *say* they do |
[01:04:46] | wagnerrp: | its still chugging away on three recordings (2 analog, 1 digital), and the local frontend is responsive |
[01:04:52] | wagnerrp: | but ssh fails, vnc fails |
[01:05:12] | wagnerrp: | i can watch the files fill up over NFS |
[01:06:31] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv telnet interface works |
[01:06:39] | wagnerrp: | i suppose i just cant start new processes |
[01:07:00] | wagnerrp: | when i went down and checked, it was listing a load average of 5.95 |
[01:07:35] | wagnerrp: | local http is not responsive |
[01:08:05] | wagnerrp: | i guess ill just wait until recordings end at 10, and then kill it |
[01:14:52] | Wicked: | anyone know how to check the Diagnostic Screen on the SA's? |
[01:15:20] | Wicked: | when the cable guy was here..i saw him look at the screen(to check the signal strength)..but i didnt see how he got there |
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[01:18:10] | Wicked: | found out.... hold select until u see a envelope on the lcd of the stb...then hit info |
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[01:20:16] | kslater: | I have a bunch of stuff (gigs) to move from an older mythbox to a new one. Both boxes are attached to a 100Mb/s switch. Is there one networking technology that's better for this than the others? |
[01:20:46] | Wicked: | hmm |
[01:21:09] | wagnerrp: | gigabit |
[01:21:22] | wagnerrp: | infiniband |
[01:21:33] | Wicked: | under a screen called "COPY PROTECTION" i see 1394 labled unavailable unavailable |
[01:21:56] | RyeBrye: | kslater – do they each have a gigabit nIC? |
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[01:22:22] | RyeBrye: | kslater – just set up a network only between the two if they have gigabit NICs and screw the switch that's slowing them down. if their NICs are only 100Mb – then don't worry about it |
[01:22:23] | kslater: | no gigabit e |
[01:22:29] | wagnerrp: | firewire? |
[01:22:33] | iamlindoro: | sneakernet + HDDs |
[01:22:40] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I was going to suggest sneakernet |
[01:22:43] | kslater: | HDD's could be the best solution |
[01:22:58] | RyeBrye: | but then I thought that, myself... I'm going to do something similar and there's no way I'm going to pull my drives |
[01:22:58] | kslater: | I have an 80g that I could possibly use as a shuttle |
[01:23:03] | wagnerrp: | IPOAC? |
[01:23:09] | RyeBrye: | I'll just set it up at night before I sleep and not care how long it takes |
[01:23:30] | kslater: | firewire only on 1 of the two boxen |
[01:23:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, run it overnight, and 10/100 will do just fine |
[01:23:53] | kslater: | nfs? samba? |
[01:23:57] | kslater: | rsync? |
[01:24:02] | wagnerrp: | you can expect to so ~35GB/hr over 10/100 |
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[01:26:33] | kslater: | I know that I have Samba on both ends, is it worth it to setup NFS (no experience with it) |
[01:26:59] | wagnerrp: | samba should be able to keep up with 10/100 just fine |
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[01:30:19] | kslater: | thanks for the tips wagnerrp |
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[01:36:33] | Wicked: | so looking through my stb's diagnostic screen...it says 1394 is unavailable for everything |
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[01:38:58] | Wicked: | im guessing that the firewire worked at 1st because it was a new box....must not have had the newest firmware or w/e...then it updated and broke my firewire |
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[01:49:27] | Wicked: | uh no freaking way |
[01:49:31] | RyeBrye: | ? |
[01:49:37] | Wicked: | i got the same agent as lastnight |
[01:49:41] | Wicked: | lol joey! |
[01:49:57] | Wicked: | hes so gonna just say"WE DONT SUPPORT THAT GOODBYE" |
[01:50:03] | iamlindoro: | They're all joey |
[01:50:07] | iamlindoro: | he's joey 118 |
[01:50:08] | Speedy2: | Hey all. I have a backend that grabs my guide data. Can I "easy" share the guide data with a machine in a remote location? |
[01:50:18] | Speedy2: | Remote == across the US |
[01:50:25] | RyeBrye: | Speedy2 – why? |
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[01:51:02] | RyeBrye: | Speedy2 – how would your guide data be relevant across coasts? |
[01:51:17] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : Aside from time zone differences, the major channels are the same. |
[01:51:34] | RyeBrye: | The guide data for the town over from me would be worthless to me – since the "major channels" have different numbers on them |
[01:52:09] | Speedy2: | Yeah, I have that issue as well. |
[01:52:28] | RyeBrye: | The answer is if you really wanted to, you could easily just open up ports on your firewall and allow the other person to access your mysql database directly |
[01:53:19] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : Hrm. It's been awhile since I messed with Myth at a low-level. Can I export a few tables for guide data? |
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[01:54:18] | wagnerrp: | you can export the entire guide database if you want |
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[01:54:25] | wagnerrp: | guide table, rather |
[01:54:33] | wagnerrp: | just some simple mysql commands |
[01:55:11] | Speedy2: | Hrm. I guess it would be possible to massage the EPG table data to map it into local channels. |
[01:56:07] | RyeBrye: | If your time is really that worthless to you, yes, I suppose it would be |
[01:56:19] | RyeBrye: | but I imagine it would be cheaper / easier to just pay the $20 a year for another schedules direct account |
[01:56:31] | Speedy2: | Maybe so :/ |
[01:56:43] | RyeBrye: | Although – you CAN add another lineup to the account |
[01:56:45] | RyeBrye: | you know that, right? |
[01:56:50] | Speedy2: | No, I didn't. |
[01:57:00] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that's a MUCH easier solution :) |
[01:57:11] | Speedy2: | But far less hacker like! :) |
[01:57:15] | RyeBrye: | true |
[01:57:15] | Speedy2: | j/k, you're right |
[01:57:41] | RyeBrye: | As long as it's for personal use, I think you're ok |
[01:58:13] | Speedy2: | Yeah. |
[01:58:34] | wagnerrp: | SD allows you up to 4 lineups |
[01:58:42] | RyeBrye: | Ok, I was wondering how many it allowed you to have |
[01:58:51] | RyeBrye: | 4 seems reasonable |
[01:59:03] | wagnerrp: | 4 per account, if you need more, you can spend another $20/yr |
[01:59:07] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
[01:59:49] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye , wagnerrp thanks for the tip :) |
[02:00:03] | iamlindoro: | Although the terms and conditions technically state is for use in one household AFAIK |
[02:00:04] | Wicked: | hey..he isnt flat out refusing to help |
[02:00:17] | Speedy2: | On another subject, anyone try any of the *myth distros? MythBuntu, Mythdora, etc? |
[02:00:19] | Wicked: | i explained i was in the diag menu and it was disabled.... |
[02:00:44] | Speedy2: | My last setup was straight Gentoo + Myth, but I don't have time to jack around with configuration. |
[02:01:17] | RyeBrye: | Straight Ubuntu + myth would be really easy |
[02:01:28] | RyeBrye: | I suppose MythBuntu might be easier |
[02:05:46] | Speedy2: | Any thoughts on LinuxMCE? Again, I'm usually a straight vanillia distro + source compile of needed programs, just wondering if it's even worth a thought. |
[02:11:16] | iamlindoro: | LinuxMCE just hijacks the myth backend, it's really not Myth strictly speaking |
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[02:13:56] | Speedy2: | iamlindoro : Does it do anything better? |
[02:14:10] | Speedy2: | iamlindoro : Does it use its own frontend? |
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[02:14:21] | iamlindoro: | It's a POS |
[02:15:02] | Wicked: | hmm seems this agent is actually trying to help me with firewire..... |
[02:15:13] | Wicked: | i hope we can figure it out |
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[02:30:59] | Wicked: | heh....he said hes gonna send this issue to a higher up and will try to get it settled tomorrow |
[02:31:12] | Wicked: | you all think hes blowing smoke up my ass? |
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[02:35:52] | fryfrog: | Wicked: comcast? |
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[02:37:10] | Wicked: | fryfrog, yea |
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[02:37:49] | fryfrog: | i'd guess 98% smoke in the anal cavity, 2% chance of actual help. |
[02:38:18] | fryfrog: | i've read they are trying to turn their image around, and along with TONS of bad stories on consumerist.com... i've also seen a tiny trickle of good ones. |
[02:39:23] | Wicked: | i was surprised he even helped. |
[02:39:30] | Wicked: | they say they do not support firewire |
[02:39:43] | Wicked: | and he did say that at 1st..but then continued to help. |
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[02:40:15] | Wicked: | said he himself could not get it resolved(didnt have the same hardware on hand) and was gonna pass it on to higher techs who do |
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[02:44:43] | r3z: | Playing back recorded tv it randomly jumps back approximately 10mins. |
[02:45:25] | r3z: | Anyone got any ideas? |
[02:45:53] | wagnerrp: | bad video file? |
[02:46:06] | r3z: | Multiple different recordings |
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[02:46:44] | r3z: | This is myth recorded livetv. |
[02:47:33] | wagnerrp: | bad video file? |
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[02:48:06] | wagnerrp: | does it happen repeatedly at the same point in the file? |
[02:49:35] | r3z: | No |
[02:49:40] | r3z: | Different times. |
[02:50:28] | wagnerrp: | is it possible youre picking up a neighbor's IR signals? |
[02:50:44] | r3z: | I thought it was something weird like commercial tagging and auto skip but disabled commercial tagging and autoskip isnt enabled. |
[02:50:53] | r3z: | Only remote is RF and I took the batteries out of it and it still occured. |
[02:50:56] | r3z: | occurred even. |
[02:52:01] | r3z: | Also neighbor is WAY too far away ;) |
[02:53:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | flourescent light shining into your ir receiver? |
[02:53:31] | ** r3z points back to the line where he said its RF not IR> ** | |
[02:53:33] | r3z: | ;-p |
[02:53:54] | wagnerrp: | what about.... infrared? |
[02:54:25] | r3z: | huh? |
[02:54:31] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
[02:54:47] | wagnerrp: | anyway, commercial skipping shouldnt ever skip backward |
[02:55:15] | r3z: | It skips forward and reverse randomly |
[02:55:18] | r3z: | Frickin weird |
[02:55:35] | r3z: | 10mins approximately everytime. |
[03:00:21] | r3z: | Anyone got any ideas? :( |
[03:00:38] | iamlindoro: | Unplug your RF receiver |
[03:00:49] | iamlindoro: | don't just take out the batteries from the remote |
[03:00:59] | iamlindoro: | 10 Minutes is exactly the distance of the up or down arrow |
[03:01:05] | r3z: | Ya |
[03:01:12] | r3z: | THat is what I am afraid of. |
[03:01:46] | r3z: | Trying to think of what RF emitting devices I have. |
[03:02:04] | r3z: | I have had this setup before and just upgraded and now it is happening. |
[03:02:15] | r3z: | I reloaded the box completely. |
[03:02:22] | r3z: | So lircd setup again. |
[03:02:46] | r3z: | I will run irw in the background to see if it picks up something. |
[03:02:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | RF? |
[03:03:30] | r3z: | Ok just ruled out the remote with irw. |
[03:03:55] | r3z: | Happened again with irw running and didnt capture any strokes. |
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[03:05:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wireless keyboard? |
[03:06:19] | r3z: | Just unhooked it. |
[03:06:21] | r3z: | We will see. |
[03:09:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, ping? |
[03:13:46] | wagnerrp: | whats with the 'fringe will return in 90 seconds', 'fringe will return in 60 seconds'... |
[03:14:20] | wagnerrp: | i would appreciate the short ads if i still had to watch them |
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[03:17:04] | r3z: | heh |
[03:17:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | r3z: So, was it your wireless keyboard? |
[03:18:11] | wagnerrp: | but telling me how long they are? thats just begging people to use their commercial skip ability on lesser DVRs that only let you skip predefined blocks of time |
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[03:30:49] | r3z: | Nope |
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[03:30:55] | r3z: | Took the batteries out and it still happened. |
[03:31:18] | wagnerrp: | dont take out batteries! its the receiver which may be the problem |
[03:31:26] | r3z: | Ya Ya I know. |
[03:31:30] | r3z: | I will test that later. |
[03:31:35] | wagnerrp: | if the receiver is picking up stray signals, removing batteries will change nothing |
[03:31:45] | r3z: | I seriously doubt its the keyboard. |
[03:31:56] | r3z: | But..... |
[03:32:00] | r3z: | WHo knows. |
[03:32:04] | r3z: | Weird ass issue. |
[03:32:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ever herard of RF interference? is it a 2.4Ghz wireless keyboard? wireless router??? 2.4ghz wireless phone??? lots of possibilities... |
[03:32:57] | r3z: | I have some general weirdness going on. |
[03:33:08] | r3z: | X crashes everytime I exit the frontend :( |
[03:33:41] | r3z: | Got some different crap to iron out. |
[03:35:05] | mzb_d800: | sounds like a few problems combined. |
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[03:35:18] | mzb_d800: | for starters unplug the RF receiver and ssh into the box |
[03:35:26] | wagnerrp: | is 'Bad Robot' some sort of cheap imitation of 'Mutant Enemy'? |
[03:35:47] | mzb_d800: | are Mutants bad? ;) |
[03:36:17] | Dagmar: | Depends on what color their eyes glow |
[03:36:28] | iamlindoro: | Bad Robot is JJ Abram's Production Company |
[03:36:33] | Dagmar: | Yellow, blue, or white == good mutant. Red == BAD mutant |
[03:36:46] | wagnerrp: | Mutant Enemy was the production company for Buffy, Firefly... |
[03:37:13] | wagnerrp: | and the end of every episode, there was an animation of some mutant walking across screen, saying 'grrr... argggg....' |
[03:37:29] | wagnerrp: | anyway, at the end of fringe, there a similar 'bad robot' |
[03:37:44] | wagnerrp: | another production company, as iamlindoro mentioned |
[03:37:58] | iamlindoro: | The Bad Robot thing at the end is also at the end of Lost and Alias |
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[03:42:44] | r3z: | Besides the wireless keyboard does anyone else have any ideas? |
[03:42:51] | r3z: | Looking to test different avenues ;) |
[03:44:31] | wagnerrp: | jackass 'friend' who has managed to install some gag program on your system |
[03:44:46] | wagnerrp: | or is otherwise using the telnet remote control interface to screw with you |
[03:45:03] | r3z: | Hah ya right. |
[03:45:07] | r3z: | Fresh loaded box. |
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[03:45:24] | r3z: | No friends know my IP's or have the linux expertise to screw with it. |
[03:45:39] | r3z: | especially not the myth expertise to control from the console |
[03:45:49] | wagnerrp: | well knowing the former isnt a problem if they have the latter |
[03:45:59] | r3z: | Nope. |
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[03:46:08] | r3z: | I am the only one logged into the box ;) |
[03:46:41] | ffish: | at some point this morning my mythbox decided to make treat the local hard drives as remote (AFAICT) |
[03:46:42] | r3z: | And trust me none of them can get into my box. |
[03:46:54] | r3z: | ffish, that sucks. |
[03:46:56] | ffish: | I keep getting the message "adding: mythbox as a remote file transfer" |
[03:47:16] | ffish: | (where 'mythbox' == the DVRs hostname) |
[03:47:25] | ffish: | I can't watch any of my recordings |
[03:48:04] | ffish: | yet the mythweb interface still lets me download the mpg files |
[03:48:16] | ffish: | and it can make new recordings |
[03:48:30] | ffish: | it just can't watch any recordings (old or new) |
[03:48:43] | fryfrog: | logs say what? |
[03:48:56] | ffish: | adding: mythbox as a remote file transfer |
[03:49:32] | ffish: | hold on, I'm going to cut-and-paste a few lines |
[03:49:43] | ffish: | 2008-09–30 20:44:06.240 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback |
[03:49:43] | ffish: | 2008-09–30 20:44:06.241 adding: mythbox as a client (events: 0) |
[03:49:43] | ffish: | 2008-09–30 20:44:06.242 MainServer::HandleAnnounce FileTransfer |
[03:49:43] | ffish: | 2008-09–30 20:44:06.243 adding: mythbox as a remote file transfer |
[03:49:43] | ffish: | 2008-09–30 20:44:08.316 MythSocket(1e51a40:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
[03:50:00] | fryfrog: | next time, pastebin it :) |
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[03:51:20] | mythbox1: | i have a motorola 6416 dvr, and cannot connect with mythdora 5. anyone else have this issue or a solution for it? |
[03:51:35] | mythbox1: | *connect via firewire |
[03:51:43] | ffish: | ah, will do |
[03:52:08] | fryfrog: | mythbox1: i think i used to have a 6316, it worked (but badly) |
[03:52:13] | fryfrog: | does it show up in plugreport? |
[03:53:57] | mythbox1: | unknown. Didn't run plugreport, and am at work now away from the box. I did a fresh install, and tried to set it up as a 6200 as thats the closest model to mine. nothing comes across |
[03:54:25] | fryfrog: | gotta start with basic troubleshooting |
[03:54:43] | fryfrog: | does plugreport work? does firewire_tester work? does 6200ch have the model #s right? |
[03:55:02] | mythbox1: | understand. What should I look for in plugreport? |
[03:55:17] | fryfrog: | non-empty output, basically |
[03:55:29] | fryfrog: | do one run w/ nothing plugged in, one with it plugged in... |
[03:55:36] | mythbox1: | I guess I should mention that I'm a linux noob.. I work with the devil and am his right hand |
[03:55:36] | fryfrog: | you should be able to see a change (or none at all) |
[03:55:54] | mythbox1: | right on. thanks |
[03:56:54] | mythbox1: | Plugreport and firewire_tester can be ran from the console right? |
[03:57:01] | mzb_d800: | r3z: log into terminal, start showkeys (?) and unpleg keyboard (hmm ... or does it timeout?) ... xbindkeys might be an idea |
[03:57:03] | mythbox1: | or are these things I need to install? |
[03:57:08] | mzb_d800: | s/unplug |
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[03:58:43] | mythbox1: | fish: if this works should I get sound as well through the firewire? |
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[03:59:07] | wagnerrp: | if this works, you should get the raw mpeg stream through firewire |
[03:59:49] | mythbox1: | cool. thanks guys for your help! |
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[04:31:54] | gizmobay: | Can you have qt3 and qt4 installed on the same machine? |
[04:32:14] | Sulx: | yes |
[04:32:20] | gizmobay: | thanks |
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[04:34:46] | gizmobay: | is qt4 a big improvement over qt3 |
[04:37:56] | Sulx: | huge4 |
[04:39:09] | Sulx: | it's more portable, easy to code, looks great, uses less resources...etc |
[04:39:27] | Wicked: | bah..there totally messing with my box lol...it started working again around 11:45...and now its stopped working again |
[04:39:46] | gizmobay: | thanks sulx |
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[05:47:36] | RyeBrye: | Interesting. Anyone using xfs on ubuntu for their myth storage? I just checked, and it seems that I don't have xfs_fsr on there |
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[06:01:59] | clev: | RyeBrye: how recent of an ubuntu? |
[06:02:55] | clev: | RyeBrye: try installing the command-not-found package, then open a new terminal and simply run xfs_fsr |
[06:03:22] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : I use XFS with Myth, on Gentoo |
[06:03:34] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : Compile your own kernel, install any XFS userland tools from source |
[06:04:08] | wagnerrp: | i use XFS on suse, at work |
[06:04:33] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : I've been using XFS with Myth for more than a year, no problems. |
[06:05:04] | clev: | the problem doesnt seem to be mythtv related, it seems to be the fact that a userland tool is missing:P |
[06:05:11] | Speedy2: | RyeBrye : It's fast, works as expected. Only "weird" issue is having to fix the FS unmounted — I use a LiveCD for that, but you could just setup another boot-time option and run the unmounted. |
[06:06:45] | wagnerrp: | recovery can cause some issues |
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[06:07:05] | wagnerrp: | it does not maintain itself well in a power outage |
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[06:07:47] | wagnerrp: | which can be particularly bad if you are making changes to a directory |
[06:13:26] | Speedy2: | It's a journaling FS |
[06:13:35] | Speedy2: | It handles recovery about the same as most journaling-FSes |
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[06:29:49] | wagnerrp: | yep |
[06:30:15] | wagnerrp: | it works great, until it doesnt... at which point it fails hard, because there is little mechanism for recovery outside the journal |
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[06:31:41] | wagnerrp: | i had to manually recover a sizeable chunk of files off our primary backend server |
[06:31:58] | wagnerrp: | letting XFS do its normal thing would just result in 'I/O error' |
[06:33:01] | wagnerrp: | it basically amounted to completely scrapping the current journal, and running a tool similar to a tradition fsck, to repair the file system |
[06:33:35] | Speedy2: | wagnerrp : Which tool was it? |
[06:33:40] | Speedy2: | xfscheck or something? |
[06:33:44] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
[06:33:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember off hand, it was about a year ago |
[06:35:28] | wagnerrp: | personally... i prefer the UFS mechanism |
[06:36:20] | wagnerrp: | re-order the file system calls in flight, so you never end up with a file system that needs repairing |
[06:43:13] | RyeBrye: | Interesting. In Ubuntu, I'm working on configuring the kernel to build – and other the ubuntu-specific stuff at the end, they have LIRC being built into the kernel |
[06:43:38] | RyeBrye: | so perhaps LIRC is closer to being included in the kernel than I thought... or maybe Ubuntu just hearts lirc? |
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[07:02:50] | clev: | RyeBrye: the lirc source that came with a recent install of ubuntu lets me do fun new things like change the serial io/irq at load time |
[07:02:57] | clev: | (it was a horid compile time setting) |
[07:03:08] | clev: | but that new source also doesnt work:P |
[07:03:32] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. I'm kind of worried about that – because I have an imon LCD panel and I had to compile my own LIRC to get it to work correctly |
[07:03:48] | clev: | even recompiling didnt fix my problem |
[07:03:56] | RyeBrye: | that sucks |
[07:04:00] | clev: | i had to dig out the old .ko files and install an older kernel |
[07:05:12] | clev: | though before i did fix it, i make a whole new channel chaning system |
[07:05:29] | clev: | the script would ssh into another system(with a webcam) and emit a long loud beep |
[07:05:36] | clev: | then yell out 'goto channel 45' on the speakers |
[07:05:49] | clev: | and save a snapshot of the STB to my website as channel.jpg |
[07:06:06] | clev: | then i open the image from whatever computer im at and then maybe run down to change it:P |
[07:06:17] | RyeBrye: | that's nuts |
[07:06:34] | clev: | i also cancled most recordings to lessen the work |
[07:06:43] | clev: | i picked 1 channel and cancled nearly everything else |
[07:07:05] | clev: | it worked for a few weeks until i fixed it |
[07:07:17] | clev: | and ive left it enabled since the ir blaster drops digits on ocasion |
[07:07:40] | clev: | my next plan is to add OCR to it so it can tell when its on the wrong channel, and blast again |
[07:10:19] | RyeBrye: | damn. I hate the make menuconfig for the kernel... I always hit the escape key and when it asks me I want to save (yes / no) I think it's asking me if I want to quit – so I keep hitting "no" |
[07:10:38] | clev: | lol |
[07:10:44] | clev: | edit the code then! |
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[08:27:50] | |petter|: | Hi folks. I'm just about to set up a mythtv pvr with a terratec cinergy c (DVB-C) card. I installed the needed mantis drivers and can watch TV using dvbstream. Unfortunately, this does not work within myth. |
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[08:29:35] | at0m|c: | |petter|, did you set up the card using mythtv-setup? what does /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log say? |
[08:30:04] | at0m|c: | can you record then watch? |
[08:30:23] | |petter|: | Yes, I did set it up. Nope, cannot record neighter. |
[08:30:37] | |petter|: | I just check the logs.... |
[08:33:02] | |petter|: | Nothing interesting in the log. Just "switch from none to watching livetv". Will enable the channel debugging... |
[08:35:42] | |petter|: | Indicates, that it is able to lock the channel. But then I get a "Program #1 not found in PAT". |
[08:36:21] | at0m|c: | do you have a programs listing? (cfr. mythfilldatabase) |
[08:36:41] | jduggan: | guys |
[08:36:48] | jduggan: | who here has header checks skillz |
[08:36:49] | jduggan: | :o |
[08:36:57] | directhex: | most dvb-c vendors provide purposefully corrupted data tables, to prevent tuning without using their branded set-top box |
[08:37:01] | jduggan: | oops |
[08:37:02] | jduggan: | wrong # |
[08:37:03] | jduggan: | ;) |
[08:37:06] | ** at0m|c hides ** | |
[08:39:30] | |petter|: | yes I have a listing. Some channels seem not to give the PAT error. Then again, myth tunes and then repeats stating: " SM(1)::AddFlags: Seen() Match() Wait(Sig,)" |
[08:40:39] | mchou: | |petter|: dump your dvt_multiplex and channel tables in pastebin |
[08:41:28] | mchou: | one line from channel will suffice |
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[08:41:32] | directhex: | this is a clean, unpatched mythtv using clean, unpatched dvb modules? |
[08:42:06] | |petter|: | Ok. Please hold on. This will take me some time ... :-) |
[08:43:04] | mchou: | mysql -u username -ppasswd mythconverg -e "select * from dtv_multiplex;" |
[08:43:21] | mchou: | mysql -u username -ppasswd mythconverg -e "select * from channel limit 1;" |
[08:43:38] | mchou: | copy and paste, done |
[08:44:41] | mchou: | you should also have scandvb and *zap handy |
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[08:45:07] | mchou: | that way you can enumerate available services |
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[08:50:04] | |petter|: | Ok: http://pastebin.com/d4f24509d |
[08:50:53] | |petter|: | I used czap. With dvbstream I was able to watch TV, but got signal only as long as I kept czap runnning. Is that correct? |
[08:52:29] | mchou: | there is no service id in your channel table |
[08:52:38] | mchou: | get that fixed |
[08:52:52] | |petter|: | directhex: I think you a right in that aspect. Seems to explain the fact, that I need to keep czap running. |
[08:53:05] | mchou: | |petter|: that is key |
[08:53:26] | directhex: | you're evading my question |
[08:53:42] | |petter|: | Is the service ID the pid of the channel? (Sorry for the dump question) |
[08:54:19] | mchou: | |petter|: never mind. misalignment confused me |
[08:54:28] | mchou: | you have service id |
[08:55:30] | |petter|: | directhex: Sorry. Yes, mythtv is unpatched. A clean aptitude Debian Lenny install. DVB modules comming from the latest mantis tree. |
[08:55:54] | directhex: | encryption? |
[08:56:33] | mchou: | lol |
[08:57:09] | mchou: | |petter|: the dude asks about encryption when you said you can watch in dvbstream |
[08:57:20] | mchou: | what a rocket scientist |
[08:57:42] | |petter|: | directhex: honestly spoken, yes. |
[08:58:03] | |petter|: | But that is working. Decryption is fine. |
[08:58:45] | directhex: | hardware or software cam? |
[08:58:56] | |petter|: | softcam. |
[08:59:32] | SiD4WiNDR: | softporn |
[09:00:10] | |petter|: | hard ones are working, too. *lol* |
[09:00:27] | directhex: | you're on your own then. the softcam's code is of questionable quality, and may break mythtv in unexpected ways. note that my first reaction when seeing your errors was to ask about "unofficial" addons though. guess why that is |
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[09:04:02] | |petter|: | Ok. That might explain the problem. Thanks for your help. Very much appreciated. |
[09:07:20] | Anduin: | when did softcam some off the banned list of stuff to talk about in here? |
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[09:14:57] | |petter|: | In here, every channel is encrypted, also FTAs. So I have no way to check the behavior of mythtv on unencrypted channels. That's my problem. I'd also prefer testing the setup without using softcams. |
[09:15:25] | jblack: | |petter|: Are you in the US? |
[09:15:42] | |petter|: | No, I'm in Switzerland. |
[09:15:50] | jblack: | Ahh. |
[09:16:14] | jblack: | Can I have some gold/chocolate/knives ? |
[09:16:37] | |petter|: | In the parlament, it is under treatement, whether the cable provider is allowed to use encryption on FTA channels. |
[09:16:38] | mchou: | jblack: dont forget drugs and watches |
[09:16:39] | jblack: | I bet you guys make killer gold grapped chocolate knives. |
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[09:17:03] | |petter|: | with a drug case built-in :-) |
[09:17:29] | ** jblack could fit everything he knows about switzerland on a 3"x5" index card ** | |
[09:17:59] | directhex: | there's no such thing as encrypted fta |
[09:18:17] | directhex: | if it's encrypted byt decryptable with a decryption card without paying a fee, that's ftv |
[09:18:29] | jblack: | directhex: I think he's talking about FTA rebroadcast over cable, in switzerland. |
[09:18:44] | ** |petter| is a golden choclate knife raclette fondue cheese vendor on the matterhorn ** | |
[09:18:58] | |petter|: | jblack: you got it right. |
[09:19:24] | directhex: | jblack, the same applies though. FTA DVB-T channels in the UK aren't the same as FTA DVB-S channels. some are FTV-only (forcing you to buy a subscription of some kind from the monopolist) |
[09:19:31] | |petter|: | Provider is binding users to one specific STB, which sucks! |
[09:19:59] | |petter|: | It is a monopolist. |
[09:20:18] | |petter|: | Subscription is fine, but STB sucks. |
[09:21:15] | |petter|: | Their excuse is, that they would not be able to maintain the same service quality with other STB and that this is only in the interest of the end user. :-( |
[09:22:28] | jblack: | "Give us money because it's in your interest" ?!?? |
[09:29:09] | anykey_: | |petter|: cablecom? ;) |
[09:29:56] | justinh: | what they really mean is, they have enough dumb f*** users as it is without inviting even more problems |
[09:30:10] | anykey_: | justinh: they haven't |
[09:30:29] | anykey_: | justinh: they're whining about poor digital adoption |
[09:30:55] | jblack: | and charging more is supposed to alleviate that? |
[09:31:06] | justinh: | welcome to Europe, land of the locked-down digital paytv |
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[09:31:15] | anykey_: | justinh: this is *not* paytv |
[09:31:17] | justinh: | oh wait – same as the rest of the world! |
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[09:31:34] | anykey_: | justinh: this is as if you could only use one STB for UK's freeview |
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[09:33:10] | justinh: | anykey_: if a cam is necessary, then it's encrippled |
[09:33:59] | anykey_: | justinh: encrypted != paytv |
[09:34:42] | anykey_: | justinh: they're stating it's included in your cable subscription, *but* you need to rent a STB to decrypt the channels. |
[09:35:19] | justinh: | virgin media do exactly the same |
[09:35:28] | anykey_: | and they also say it's not possible to use another STB because there are no standars for digital cable |
[09:35:37] | justinh: | so? |
[09:35:53] | justinh: | boo hoo, yet another cable provider who don't care about the end user |
[09:36:05] | justinh: | go to the european court with it |
[09:36:13] | anykey_: | we don't, Switzerland is not EU ;) |
[09:36:27] | justinh: | we can all live without TV. don't pay the piper |
[09:36:42] | anykey_: | but our gouverment is now needed to create a proposal to avoid this (which will probably end up with a CAM) |
[09:37:14] | justinh: | as we all know, providers encrippling stuff totally prevents piracy, which is why they have to maintain their hard-line stance |
[09:38:31] | anykey_: | yeah, of course they do |
[09:38:51] | anykey_: | this is why you can't find any series from Sky One, SciFi HD etc on the net ;) |
[09:39:00] | justinh: | totally |
[09:39:16] | justinh: | see, it works! :P |
[09:39:37] | mchou: | cams have nothing to to with preventing piracy |
[09:39:56] | mchou: | it has to do with "theft of signal" |
[09:40:11] | mchou: | two completely different things |
[09:40:57] | anykey_: | mchou: for providers: no cams = preventing piracy |
[09:41:14] | |petter|: | anykey_: do you suffer the same? Cablecom? |
[09:42:08] | anykey_: | |petter|: sure thing, though I have some kind of solution, but let's not speak about that here |
[09:42:09] | justinh: | all they're doing is preventing the majority of honest people doing as they like – and in effect worsening the piracy problem. Their loss is our loss too |
[09:42:58] | justinh: | if it gets too hard to watch what I want to watch, I intend to stop trying. Life without TV |
[09:43:24] | |petter|: | justinh: You're completly right. The loser is the customer. |
[09:43:41] | anykey_: | on the long line, the loser is the provider |
[09:44:20] | justinh: | my life would be no less rich if I'd never have seen Heroes |
[10:01:19] | jblack: | I never could get into heroes. |
[10:02:28] | jblack: | I would like to be able to see some of my other shows though. Sound is broken on ubuntu right now. |
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[10:06:48] | justinh: | jblack: ok then my life would be no less rich without TV |
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[10:11:29] | jblack: | Why do you hang out here? |
[10:11:54] | Dibblah: | Sheesh. It's about MythTV – Not TV :) |
[10:11:58] | jblack: | It's like a vegetarian hanging out at a steakhouse. |
[10:12:12] | Dibblah: | I really couldn't care less about TV most of the time. |
[10:12:42] | Dibblah: | It's like a vegetarian cook in a steakhouse. |
[10:13:36] | justinh: | come on – it's TV not air :) |
[10:14:18] | justinh: | people talk about television like it's some kind of frickin birthright these days |
[10:14:43] | jblack: | Oh, I agree! 75% of TV has entertainment value, at best. 25% of it is bullshit, or suspect at best. |
[10:14:44] | Dibblah: | Well, it is the most interesting thing not-happening in their lives sometimes. |
[10:14:57] | justinh: | look at all the time you can save by recording everything you watch so you can see it at your own convenience, then figure how much time you'd save watching none of it :) |
[10:15:14] | Dibblah: | "Did you see big celebrity chef's brother last night?" |
[10:15:21] | koala_man: | I'd probably watch ten times more tv if I had discovery science |
[10:15:22] | jblack: | One of the few things I don't suffer from is a shortage of time. |
[10:15:38] | justinh: | it's funny when people want to talk about last night's TV & you deny them the pleasure |
[10:15:47] | jblack: | koala_man: The science channel has taken a serious nosedive in the last 12 months or so. |
[10:15:53] | Dibblah: | jblack: Great. Look at Trac and get triaging, then. |
[10:16:20] | Dibblah: | Or even testing patches... |
[10:16:27] | jblack: | Get myth into bzr, and I'll take you up on both of those. |
[10:16:28] | justinh: | or making themes :D |
[10:16:36] | justinh: | bzr? |
[10:16:39] | Dibblah: | Or eating cabbages. |
[10:16:41] | koala_man: | then maybe just four times more |
[10:16:45] | Dibblah: | Err... Wait, no. |
[10:16:50] | jblack: | bzr is a decentralized revision control system. |
[10:17:06] | justinh: | oh ffs that is the lamest excuse I've ever heard for not contributing |
[10:17:21] | Dibblah: | Oh great. Just what the world needs. |
[10:17:37] | Dibblah: | svn is just fine for Myth. |
[10:17:41] | jblack: | I like decentralized revision control systems. That lets me do local commits. |
[10:17:45] | Dibblah: | Woo. |
[10:17:49] | Dibblah: | I like puppies. |
[10:18:03] | Dibblah: | You can do local commits in svn. |
[10:18:15] | Dibblah: | Nothing stops you from having your own tree. |
[10:18:20] | jblack: | I'm not suggesting myth change their RCS. I was just indicating why I'm not taking up your offer as of yet. |
[10:18:28] | justinh: | local commits? like not sharing? |
[10:18:39] | Dibblah: | Like testing stuff in a local tree. |
[10:18:45] | jblack: | Local commits, as in commit, commit, commit, make a patch set, send that in. |
[10:18:47] | Dibblah: | I see the advantage of it. |
[10:19:27] | Dibblah: | But there's a plethora of RCS type things out there. Why push one that noone uses? ;) |
[10:19:38] | Dibblah: | Heck, even HG is more popular. |
[10:19:47] | jblack: | Once I got used to that particular work pattern, with local branches, local RCS control, I just won't tough CVS and SVN, even though SVN does have some third party hacks to make them work. |
[10:20:11] | jblack: | Hg is pretty nice. |
[10:20:19] | Dibblah: | So is git. |
[10:20:27] | Dibblah: | So is <random name here> |
[10:20:34] | justinh: | they all do pretty much the same firkin things |
[10:20:38] | jblack: | Some people swear by git. I couldn't wrap my mind around it. |
[10:20:56] | jblack: | Git is actually quite different, tbh. |
[10:21:01] | Dibblah: | Exactly. Distributed trees work well for things that get branched / merged frequently. |
[10:21:13] | Dibblah: | Myth is not really one of those projects. |
[10:21:28] | Dibblah: | Basically because there's less than 15 active developers. |
[10:21:39] | Dibblah: | (Feel free to disagree, anyone) |
[10:21:41] | jblack: | Like I said, I'm not proposing a change. I used to migrate projects to bzr for a living, and I know _exactly_ how hard it is to get projects to migrate. |
[10:22:29] | Dibblah: | Meh. I don't fix tickets because it's against my religion. I could if I wanted, but I don't. |
[10:24:26] | Dibblah: | "Reasons for choosing Bazaar: Windows support"... |
[10:24:35] | Dibblah: | Ummm... Hate to break it to them, but... |
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[10:46:07] | justinh: | meh. one of our units hogs the 485 bus. stupid software |
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[10:59:01] | jblack: | I so want myth on http://www.dcemu.co.uk/pandora-the-preorders- . . . -160374.html |
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[11:42:54] | mzb_d800: | justinh: if you believed in blogs I'd imagine your line would be a classic: "look at all the time you can save by recording everything you watch so you can see it at your own convenience, then figure how much time you'd save watching none of it :)" |
[11:43:06] | mzb_d800: | nicely said ;) |
[11:44:17] | mzb_d800: | at the very least makes readers/logland realise what a difference a mythtv system makes to your lifesystel |
[11:44:28] | mzb_d800: | s/lifestyle |
[11:45:47] | Dibblah: | This has to be the _stupidest_ thing I've ever seen. |
[11:46:07] | Dibblah: | TV sold by ebuyer – Special promotion with a "freeish" wall mount. |
[11:46:22] | Dibblah: | VESA studs on the back, everything needed included – Great. |
[11:46:37] | Dibblah: | Get to fitting it – And the stand is screwed on. |
[11:47:07] | directhex: | not uncommon, sadly |
[11:47:11] | Dibblah: | Look in manual for instructions – Nothing. There is a nice cover for the whole that would be left over from removing it. |
[11:47:20] | Dibblah: | Can't get the damn thing off, though. |
[11:47:24] | directhex: | i hope i still have the plastic non-stand for my samsung i can screw in to replace the stand |
[11:47:35] | Dibblah: | Open set up (not even powered it on yet;) |
[11:47:43] | mzb_d800: | jblack: the point about committing is not the method by which it's done, but by the changes themselves (regardless of whether they are wiki/docs/scripts/source/etc) |
[11:47:54] | Dibblah: | And the bloody thing has EIGHT screws from the INSIDE of the case going through it. |
[11:48:05] | mzb_d800: | using the method of contribution as an excuse not to is weak |
[11:48:13] | Dibblah: | ... You can't get it off without disassembling the ENTIRE chassis. |
[11:49:50] | mzb_d800: | surely there's a way? |
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[11:50:46] | justinh: | ebuyer can only go up in my estimation ;) |
[11:52:03] | jblack: | I prefer working with certain tools, and not with others. There's nothing more or less to it. |
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[12:32:03] | mzb_d800: | jblack: ok, but don't let your preference of tools be an excuse for not contributing (ideas/scripts/source/etc) |
[12:39:54] | jblack: | Pardon? |
[12:41:21] | directhex: | ideas are unwelcome in mythland |
[12:41:40] | Dibblah: | As long as they don't involve removing something. |
[12:41:42] | directhex: | and if "choice of tools" means "i suck with c++ but rock with somethingelse", then it IS a barrier |
[12:42:19] | justinh: | directhex: removing/renaming ;) |
[12:42:43] | justinh: | er Dibblah I meant.. oops |
[12:43:53] | jblack: | directhex: This goes back to someone suggesting I contribute code. I explained that I'm currently not contributing code because I work with different revision control systems than the one myth uses. Just a simple impedance mismatch. ;) |
[12:44:37] | directhex: | myth's VCS is "mail patches to trac" |
[12:46:02] | jblack: | That may be the contribution guidelines, where are perfectly reasonable. I believe the backing RCS is SVN. |
[12:46:13] | justinh: | directhex: if you find the politics of the project so abhorrent, why do you hang around? |
[12:46:17] | jblack: | which is also reasonable. |
[12:46:47] | jblack: | Oh, no! I'm not being political. I like a particular subset of fringe tools, and wouldn't expect anyone to change. |
[12:47:33] | rooaus: | jblack: What SCM do you prefer? |
[12:47:48] | jblack: | my personal favorite is bzr. I also like Hg. |
[12:48:14] | directhex: | darcs! |
[12:48:26] | jblack: | I don't like darcs for complicated reasons. |
[12:49:17] | jblack: | surely there's something more interesting to talk about my likes and dislikes |
[12:49:38] | jblack: | Or at least less non-interesting |
[12:49:47] | justinh: | LVM ! |
[12:50:09] | jblack: | lvm rocks. So does cryptfs. :) |
[12:51:03] | jblack: | I can't get through to my senator's office. |
[12:51:45] | justinh: | democracy at work :) |
[12:52:12] | jblack: | "The mailbox for Sentor Bob Casey's office" is full. Goodbye. <click>" |
[12:53:39] | jblack: | "The mailbox for Sentor Alen Specter's office" is full. Goodbye. <click>" |
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[12:54:45] | justinh: | heh I have to try filling my own voice mailbox to stop people leaving messages at work |
[12:57:16] | laga: | just turn it off? |
[12:57:35] | justinh: | can't |
[12:58:24] | rooaus: | jblack: Was just wondering if you looked at hgsvn, as I had been considering looking at something the would work with a readonly remote svn repo. Some other options were git or svk. |
[12:59:19] | jblack: | There are generally porting tools, but they usually have significant problems. I haven't looked at hgsvn specifically, though. |
[12:59:36] | rooaus: | cheers |
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[13:01:46] | laga: | holy crap, sometimes the backlog makes my eyes bleed |
[13:01:59] | Dibblah: | Tickets? |
[13:02:03] | laga: | rooaus, jblack: janneg has a git mirror |
[13:02:12] | laga: | Dibblah: the log in this channel |
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[13:06:07] | janneg: | rooaus, jblack: git clone git://git.jannau.net/mythtv |
[13:06:31] | ** laga didn't realize people actually liked bzr ** | |
[13:07:36] | jblack: | Yay. I got ahold of the voicemails to the local offices for my senators. Hopefully _someone_ will listen to it before the vote. |
[13:08:11] | laga: | did you tell you're not going to vote because you don't like the kind of paper they use? |
[13:08:20] | ** laga hides ** | |
[13:08:57] | rooaus: | janneg: thanks, have been meaning to look at it. |
[13:09:06] | jblack: | Nope. I told them that if they vote for the bailout bill, that I'll do my best to make sure that nobody ever forgets it. |
[13:10:14] | jblack: | Then, a few months and two years and a few months from now, respectively, they can join the ranks of the other unemployed to truly relish the joys of 10%+ inflation. |
[13:11:12] | jblack: | I already checked. It'll cost me $103 a month for a weekly ad. I can afford that if I cancel cable. :) |
[13:12:15] | justinh: | pay more now or pay more later. some choice |
[13:12:47] | jblack: | heh. all choices are bad, but they're not all equally bad. |
[13:13:00] | jblack: | How are you guys doing on the other side of the pond? |
[13:13:22] | mzb_d800: | directhex: you can't reject someone's contribution just because you don't like it |
[13:13:35] | justinh: | feeling pretty indifferent about the situation until it affects us directly, mostly |
[13:13:51] | directhex: | mzb_d800, sure you can, that's how trac works |
[13:14:14] | mzb_d800: | that being said, if it's totally unsuitable /// wrong language // misses the point ... then the point of the contributor is still made |
[13:14:33] | mzb_d800: | but then you are talking about SOURCE level |
[13:14:35] | justinh: | or waving arms around at the evil, evil bankers because the succeeded at being greedy & were rewarded for it. </offtopic> |
[13:14:40] | mzb_d800: | I'm talking about ALL levels |
[13:15:05] | mzb_d800: | eg: justinh is a perfect example: afaik he's done a lot of work on themes ... |
[13:15:17] | justinh: | as far as you know lol |
[13:15:23] | mzb_d800: | now afaik that's not exactly source, right? |
[13:15:50] | mzb_d800: | and by the same token, there are some sections of mythtv that are not C/C++, right? |
[13:15:52] | justinh: | maybe 100 lines of c++ I did are still in there somewhere |
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[13:16:18] | jblack: | There's probably a handful of bash scripts laying about. |
[13:16:26] | ** jblack grabs the sources to check ** | |
[13:16:27] | mzb_d800: | I wasn't aware of those justinh, no intention to belittle your contribution(s) |
[13:16:38] | mzb_d800: | mytharchive being a perfect example of non-C/C++ |
[13:16:44] | mzb_d800: | got the point now? |
[13:17:15] | mzb_d800: | it's not about the code, nor the tools ... it's about adding something |
[13:17:27] | jblack: | Heh. I wouldn't call theming trivial. I can write C++ fine, but if I ever tried to make a theme, I'd probably get sued for causing ill health effects. |
[13:17:44] | justinh: | but moaning is so easy. that's why I moan about the people who moan rather than tracking them down to give them a good hug |
[13:19:01] | justinh: | it's so easy to laugh at the ubuntu-copter guys who fly around helping out poor users in dire need of help – even the ones who can't be arsed to read docs. So easy. but they're doing good things overall |
[13:19:04] | mzb_d800: | did I say theming was trivial? |
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[13:19:29] | mzb_d800: | so if the only contribution you can make is that the method of sharing code is poor (in your opinion) then leave it there |
[13:20:24] | jblack: | No, but there's not enough respect out there for artistic contributions. I think you recognize that too, as you, yourself, said "I wasn't aware of those justinh, no intention to belittle your contribution(s)", after he said he did have some code in there. ;) |
[13:20:35] | justinh: | speaking of crazy ideas.. here comes talk about distributed commflagging again... |
[13:20:35] | mzb_d800: | , rather than saying that you've got heaps of ability and time and won't contribute because you know a better way of doing the source collaboration |
[13:21:06] | jblack: | What? Be patient. There'll be a good gateway someday. |
[13:21:25] | mzb_d800: | jblack: I mentioned _nothing_ about artistic as opposed to any other method of contribution. I am specifically directing my comments at YOU. |
[13:22:01] | jblack: | we're not getting anywhere. |
[13:22:08] | plantain_: | As I unintentionally spewed over the dev channel – How do people usually remove commercials automatically? |
[13:22:10] | mzb_d800: | and I was referring to his 100+ lines of C__ |
[13:22:13] | mzb_d800: | C++ |
[13:22:27] | mzb_d800: | jblack: you might not be ... I've made my point |
[13:22:39] | jblack: | I think everyone has. So, can we move on? |
[13:23:23] | mzb_d800: | sure, I don't need you to acknowledge the validity of my point. |
[13:23:39] | jblack: | Nor I you. :) |
[13:24:00] | mzb_d800: | I'll let you have the last word then |
[13:24:31] | jblack: | dibblah: Bear this conversation in mind for the next time you get an urge to ask someone a direct question? |
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[13:25:18] | jblack: | Ok. I'll take that offer. I think you're earnest, mzb_d800. :) |
[13:26:01] | mzb_d800: | I'll take that as a complement. I appreciate your tolerance. |
[13:27:31] | justinh: | ahhh. it's the software which is the problem. not the hardware. might've fscking KNOWN |
[13:27:50] | jblack: | Earnest doesn't mean quite what I thought it meant. I meant that I think you're working hard for the cause. So yes, complement. |
[13:28:22] | jblack: | damn you, american educationating system! |
[13:30:27] | mzb_d800: | heh |
[13:30:32] | mzb_d800: | ah well |
[13:31:05] | mzb_d800: | we're all on the same page is what's important |
[13:31:22] | mzb_d800: | (kinda;) |
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[13:32:42] | justinh: | in rs484 comms, any transmitting device is supposed to tristate the lines when it's done. not this box, oh no. lol |
[13:32:54] | justinh: | *rs485 |
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[13:36:49] | jblack: | Awww, darnit. Canonical had a bzr import running for a bit and I missed it: https://code.launchpad.net/mythtv |
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[13:38:02] | perlmonkey: | greetings |
[13:38:39] | perlmonkey: | can anyone running Linux + Firefox test this site for me? It appears to have no styling on my browser and i want to confirm that's the case on other Linux Mozilla browsers? www.baldwins.co.uk |
[13:40:44] | directhex: | wfm |
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[13:41:40] | perlmonkey: | works ok? |
[13:41:45] | directhex: | yes |
[13:41:51] | plantain_: | works fine |
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[14:13:29] | mzb_d800: | perlmonkey: javascript enabled? (got noscript installed?) |
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[14:17:03] | justinh: | lol @ ITV proposing to overlay adverts into 'blank spaces' in video |
[14:17:44] | directhex: | yes! |
[14:17:57] | directhex: | tampon ads inserted into the barren wastes of darfur on the evening news |
[14:19:10] | justinh: | maybe just tatoo ads on people's faces instead... Amanda Holden has a fair billboard |
[14:19:37] | perlmonkey: | phew |
[14:20:21] | perlmonkey: | i have jscript enabled |
[14:20:34] | perlmonkey: | its strange no styling on my browser, even the stylesheet is blank |
[14:21:12] | pat__: | goddamn my new (to me) nakamichi tape deck is awesome |
[14:22:42] | perlmonkey: | ITV is crazy |
[14:22:56] | perlmonkey: | they are a sinking ship, desperate measures |
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[14:33:23] | linagee: | whoa.... |
[14:33:33] | linagee: | i think we must really be pissing off the networks |
[14:33:49] | linagee: | i originally saw fox.com release their programs online next day (1 day wait) |
[14:33:57] | linagee: | now they have changed that to 8 day wait.... ??? |
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[14:34:53] | linagee: | i'm guessing their advertisers are not happy everyone is viewing things online instead of on TV with many commercials? hah. (online typically only has one commercial) |
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[14:36:04] | linagee: | i wonder how they would feel if they knew how many people PVR-ed (mythtv or other) their shows and never watched even one commercial. :-D |
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[14:52:57] | wagnerrp: | i think were such a small crowd that they dont care |
[14:53:56] | wagnerrp: | someone did a poll of (hardware) DVR users about a year back, and found that only ~30% of people actually took advantage of their commercial skipping ability |
[14:54:07] | wagnerrp: | the rest either watched them, or used that time to go do something else |
[14:59:30] | wagnerrp: | i just got a notification from amazon that a book on infectious disease would be available on the 15 |
[14:59:49] | wagnerrp: | i have NO CLUE why they felt they needed to tell me |
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[15:00:40] | wagnerrp: | ive only bought a handful of books on amazon, and none of them were related to chemistry, biology, medicine, disease, or anything of that sort that would indicate i have any interest in this book |
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[15:05:17] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: look at the conditions that .au freetv had just for enabling EIT !! (re ads) |
[15:05:19] | gbee: | is anyone seeing aspect ratios other than 4:3, 16:9 or 2.21:1 in the wild? |
[15:05:59] | wagnerrp: | i seem some 1.89:1 in movies |
[15:06:26] | mzb_d800: | 4:my_backside? ... oh ... you want real numbers .. I'd better pull that one out of the hat before I squash it |
[15:06:56] | gbee: | wagnerrp: actual aspect ratio of the stream, or just letter/pillar boxed? |
[15:07:07] | wagnerrp: | letterboxed |
[15:07:12] | mzb_d800: | I've seen odd ones in music videos ... but no idea how I can tell what the real aspect is |
[15:07:49] | gbee: | ok, sorry should have been clearer – looking at broadcast stream aspects only |
[15:07:59] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive ever seen a 2.21:1 in the wild |
[15:08:26] | gbee: | wagnerrp: neither have I, but it's in the DVB and mpeg specs |
[15:08:27] | mzb_d800: | yep ... recorded from dvb ... if you've got a script I'm more than happy to run it over the collection |
[15:09:20] | mzb_d800: | (currently using mythtranscode --mpeg to cut them ... so they should be broadcast quality) |
[15:10:12] | mzb_d800: | other than that, pretty hard to tell the real aspect ratio on an ancient 4:3 screen |
[15:10:27] | gbee: | ffmpeg -i gives the DAR |
[15:10:40] | mzb_d800: | ok |
[15:11:05] | gbee: | no script I'm afraid, code I'm working on is only really useful for determing the aspect of in-progress recordings |
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[15:16:19] | mzb_d800: | gbee: how about: $ find -type f | egrep "\.mp.*g$" | while read fn; do ffmpeg -i "$fn" 2>&1 | grep DAR | sed "s/\(.*\)\(\[PAR.*\]\)\(.*\)/\2/"; done > DAR.txt |
[15:16:28] | mzb_d800: | (just for a test) |
[15:16:53] | gbee: | if that works for you :) |
[15:17:06] | mzb_d800: | is that what you want to know? |
[15:17:11] | gbee: | yep |
[15:17:18] | mzb_d800: | ok ... it's running |
[15:17:46] | gbee: | I'd just do "find -name *.mpg", but each to their own |
[15:18:00] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... that'd make sense ;) |
[15:18:42] | mzb_d800: | bit hard to tell what's transmitted vs what the screen displays ... and most of them are from a single channel (I think I've weeded most of the crap out) |
[15:19:04] | mzb_d800: | so the majority of it *should* be consistent (hopefully) |
[15:19:12] | gbee: | k, thanks |
[15:19:35] | mzb_d800: | $ wc -l DAR.txt |
[15:19:35] | mzb_d800: | 853 DAR.txt |
[15:19:44] | mzb_d800: | how do you want it? |
[15:20:11] | mzb_d800: | heh: [PAR 200:219 DAR 880:657] |
[15:20:12] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
[15:20:16] | gbee: | psatebin.ca if possible, otherwise email |
[15:20:31] | mzb_d800: | hang on, better idea |
[15:20:32] | gbee: | mzb_d800: yeah, I'd guess ffmpeg struggles some of the time |
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[15:21:32] | mzb_d800: | ok, my survey not helping you: |
[15:21:36] | mzb_d800: | $ sort DAR.txt | uniq |
[15:21:36] | mzb_d800: | [PAR 1:1 DAR 4:3] |
[15:21:36] | mzb_d800: | [PAR 178:163 DAR 1958:1467] |
[15:21:36] | mzb_d800: | [PAR 200:219 DAR 880:657] |
[15:21:36] | mzb_d800: | [PAR 64:45 DAR 16:9] |
[15:21:57] | mzb_d800: | the odd ones are probably old crap I've not weeded |
[15:22:11] | mzb_d800: | ah well |
[15:22:16] | gbee: | :) |
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[15:22:47] | mzb_d800: | so that'd be the transmitted aspect ratio, not what's visible (I'm guessing) |
[15:22:49] | gbee: | I'm not honestly expecting anything unusual, just covering all the bases |
[15:22:55] | mzb_d800: | some of them are quite odd |
[15:23:11] | mzb_d800: | (eg. more than 16:9) |
[15:23:34] | gbee: | DAR is the actual stream dimensions, video may be letterboxed/pillarboxed into a different format though |
[15:24:10] | mzb_d800: | but I'm guessing the station resizes(?) and transmits at whatever they like |
[15:24:12] | gbee: | but regardless of pillar/letterboxing you always want to display according to the DAR |
[15:24:22] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
[15:24:36] | mzb_d800: | if you believe the transmitter ? |
[15:24:37] | gbee: | mzb_d800: not if they are following the mpeg/dvb specs |
[15:24:49] | mzb_d800: | heh |
[15:25:16] | ** mzb_d800 chuckes about broadcasters following specs/rules ** | |
[15:25:17] | gbee: | well I'll stick with what I've got, see if any problems show up once it's in trunk |
[15:25:20] | mzb_d800: | chuckles |
[15:25:43] | mzb_d800: | ah well, I tried |
[15:27:15] | mzb_d800: | is your change a step closer to auto-zooming? |
[15:27:54] | mzb_d800: | s/closer/towards/ |
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[15:29:11] | mzb_d800: | ps: I couldn't have used find *.mpg as some of them are mpeg. others are mpg |
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[15:37:24] | gbee: | patch already in trac for auto-zoom |
[15:38:24] | gbee: | this is for the recorder, putting aspect ratio and ratio changes into the database at recording time so they can be used for a variety of things including mythweb flash streaming |
[15:39:46] | wagnerrp: | or playback... |
[15:40:17] | wagnerrp: | always annoying flipping between SD and HD, and having to go into the menu and change the aspect ratio |
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[15:54:57] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders about when people get directed to the right channel and never end up there ** | |
[15:55:13] | wagnerrp: | more people on #mythtv? |
[15:55:17] | iamlindoro__: | yar |
[15:55:46] | gbee: | playback we already have the aspect ratio while decoding, but currently no access when recording, like I said there is already a patch in trac to auto-zoom when needed |
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[15:56:07] | gbee: | auto-changes to aspect ratio have been in there for years |
[15:56:26] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: That's a really neat new feature, meant to say yesterday |
[16:01:04] | wagnerrp: | can mp4 handle multiple video tracks? |
[16:01:26] | wagnerrp: | like... for muxing in the bonus content of a DVD? |
[16:02:13] | iamlindoro__: | It minimally handles multiple audio, I believe multiple video is fine too |
[16:02:42] | stoth: | quick question. Playing back a 1080i (NBC) recording, on a 1080p panel I get (what looks like) a single white flashing line on the line 0 and line 1080. I expected to be able to adjust the overscan. Where is that setting? |
[16:03:15] | iamlindoro__: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14 |
[16:03:20] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: looks like yes |
[16:03:48] | iamlindoro__: | stoth: Utilties/Setup->Setup-.TV Settings->Playbacl |
[16:03:50] | iamlindoro__: | Playback |
[16:04:15] | iamlindoro__: | Second or third screen in-- I usually scale up about 2% to get rid of that stuff |
[16:04:29] | iamlindoro__: | There are settings for both horizontal and vertical |
[16:04:54] | wagnerrp: | i guess the bigger problem would be how to define multiple titles, and which audio tracks match with each |
[16:05:05] | wagnerrp: | mp4box doesnt seem to have that ability, or at least not through YAMB |
[16:05:50] | stoth: | iamlindoro__: thx, I took a quick look last night but didn't see anything obvious.... Wife was also nagging – which is bad. |
[16:05:57] | iamlindoro__: | hehe |
[16:05:59] | iamlindoro__: | no problem |
[16:10:31] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: It's a bit more of a bitch, but it ought to be possible in ffmpeg now without using MP4Box |
[16:10:54] | iamlindoro__: | They just require that you set all the right container parameters, which are a bit of voodoo |
[16:11:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was hoping for more of a GUI approach, than having to sift through a couple hundred (thousand?) command line options... :P |
[16:11:56] | wagnerrp: | oh well... time to dig into the documentation |
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[16:14:13] | wagnerrp: | i guess the bigger question would be how to even go about switching between different video tracks |
[16:15:20] | iamlindoro__: | Good question, not sure I ever have w/ Myth |
[16:16:18] | wagnerrp: | it may just be a better option to just append the video segments, and add additional chapters |
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[16:22:17] | wagnerrp: | well mp4box can add multiple video tracks... but how to deal with them during playback is a different issue altogether |
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[16:26:34] | wagnerrp: | i would question the doom9 channel, but it seems to be filled with nothing but lurkers |
[16:26:42] | wagnerrp: | no one ever around to answer questions |
[16:28:06] | iamlindoro__: | Probably people mostly used to files that end in [H4xx0rz].LoL-XVid.Proper.avi anyway |
[16:28:52] | iamlindoro__: | I heard something amusing in the xbmc channel last week while asking a question |
[16:29:13] | iamlindoro__: | One guy explaining a playback issue that he was having, and that it was a pirated file |
[16:29:35] | iamlindoro__: | and one of their team members responds by asking which crew and which release so he could download it himself to test. |
[16:31:32] | orkid: | so? |
[16:32:12] | iamlindoro__: | I would venture if the problem with that is not obvious to you, that you are a part of said problem. |
[16:33:35] | wagnerrp: | if you want to pirate something, go have fun.... but you shouldnt have your staff and product blatantly aiding such nefarious acts |
[16:33:54] | iamlindoro__: | In a logged channel no less |
[16:34:33] | iamlindoro__: | It's bad enough being labeled as a scurvy pirate when you're *not* doing anything illegal. |
[16:35:14] | iamlindoro__: | a la the NYT article that mentioned Myth in the same breath as pirates a few years back |
[16:35:49] | iamlindoro__: | We certainly don't need certain projects acting like they're above the law and drawing heat on others by association |
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[16:42:19] | wagnerrp: | seems i can author mp4s like DVDs, complete with menus |
[16:45:16] | orkid: | oh i see |
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[16:48:29] | mzb_d800: | speaking of DVD's ... I've noticed that mytharchive has problems producing DVD's for some players (that I don't own) |
[16:48:57] | mzb_d800: | it might be an idea to have a quick look at dvd-baker for some hints |
[16:49:12] | mzb_d800: | (I know I fixed most of those issues there) |
[16:49:59] | mzb_d800: | mostly simple things, small hacks ... but more specifically in the title/root menu definitions |
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[17:07:17] | clev: | woot |
[17:07:21] | clev: | mythbackend raped itself again! |
[17:07:33] | clev: | it lost the connection to mysql for a split second |
[17:07:40] | clev: | so it began asking stdin for the config |
[17:07:47] | clev: | but stdin didnt exist |
[17:07:55] | clev: | so it defaulted to fucking useless values and raped itself |
[17:08:21] | clev: | then began spaming the logs about failing to connect to ... and the same questions over and over |
[17:15:48] | clev: | QMYSQL: Unable to connect |
[17:15:49] | clev: | Database error was: |
[17:15:51] | clev: | Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading authorization packet', system error: 0 |
[17:15:59] | clev: | Database host name: |
[17:15:59] | clev: | [console is not interactive, using default ''] |
[17:16:05] | clev: | thats a GREAT answer!!! |
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[17:18:28] | iamlindoro__: | Clever broke mythbackend again, news at 11 |
[17:18:42] | clev: | it broke itself |
[17:18:45] | clev: | i didnt do shit |
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[17:18:51] | iamlindoro__: | Mmhm |
[17:18:55] | iamlindoro__: | as always |
[17:19:14] | clev: | all i did was watch a show and when it went back to the recording list the backend was down |
[17:19:25] | clev: | i open the logs and its constantly asking for the config |
[17:20:13] | clev: | how the fuck did i break it? |
[17:20:19] | iamlindoro__: | By being *you* |
[17:20:32] | clev: | and how does it know im me:P |
[17:20:42] | iamlindoro__: | and "all you did" is *never* "all you did" |
[17:20:43] | clev: | what line of code checks that its me |
[17:20:54] | wagnerrp: | one of my friends makes the same comment about me having inexplicable hardware troubles |
[17:21:05] | clev: | i could give a key by key explanation of what i did |
[17:21:10] | wagnerrp: | he surmised it was because i dont leave well enough alone |
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[17:21:26] | clev: | wagnerrp: i 'fixed' it by sending a kill -9 to my backend, though i need to manualy do it evey i see the problem |
[17:21:38] | iamlindoro__: | clev: I don't want a key by key explanation of evrything you've done since svn co |
[17:21:53] | iamlindoro__: | As it would both terrify and confound me |
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[17:22:07] | clev: | it was working fine, i started playing a show normaly, the backend was dead when the playback finished |
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[17:22:21] | mzb_d800: | clev: I've occasionally had problems with mythtv going insane with db queries (when it couldn't) ... my quick hack at the time was to increase the query timeout from 0 (default) to 1 sec. |
[17:22:52] | clev: | mzb_d800: it doesnt seem to have any problem with the query lenght, ive seen them take 15 seconds no trouble |
[17:22:55] | mzb_d800: | ps; you seem only 66% clever tonight. sup? |
[17:23:18] | clev: | the problem is that it drops the connection and then decides to change the server to '' thus ass raping itself |
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[17:23:30] | clev: | Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading authorization packet', system error: 0 |
[17:23:44] | clev: | that small error causes it to totaly give up reconnecting ever again |
[17:24:06] | mzb_d800: | I'm talking about the brain-melting insistence of the backend trying to find it's database ... slowing that down can be a good thing if you're trying to debug |
[17:24:14] | dustybin: | clev: would you mind pasting your visudo mythtv entry please :-) |
[17:24:33] | clev: | dustybin: im running it under a sudo -i |
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[17:24:49] | mzb_d800: | 66% == ie: 2 letters short? |
[17:25:15] | clev: | the problem is that my computer beeps every time you say my nick, and people on freenode have a habit of prefixing every damn msg with my nick:P |
[17:25:39] | mzb_d800: | ah |
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[17:25:53] | clev: | dustybin: mythtv ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown , /sbin/halt , /sbin/reboot , NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/ionice |
[17:26:02] | mzb_d800: | client case sensitive cLeV? |
[17:26:13] | dustybin: | clev: thanks :-) |
[17:26:22] | clev: | mzb_d800: it ignores case |
[17:26:31] | mzb_d800: | ah |
[17:26:48] | clev: | irssi wants it to be the 1st word, and only emits 1 beep |
[17:26:58] | clev: | mirc allows it anywhere in the line, and beeps for hours :P |
[17:27:09] | clev: | both clients are sharing the nick |
[17:27:34] | mzb_d800: | so change your login to cL3V3r ;0) |
[17:27:41] | iamlindoro__: | That's the clev est thing I've ever heard |
[17:27:44] | clev: | then it just gets anoying:P |
[17:27:48] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
[17:27:49] | iamlindoro__: | Insanely clev er, actually |
[17:28:09] | ** iamlindoro__ resolves to use that syntax from now on ** | |
[17:28:38] | mzb_d800: | or disable alert altogether? (might have to change your name to "smarter" for that though;) |
[17:28:57] | iamlindoro__: | Just make it highlight instead of beeping for chrissake |
[17:29:11] | clev: | changing my nick also bypassed justinh's ignore on me for a few hours :P |
[17:29:15] | iamlindoro__: | Then you won't be tied to the computer and can actually go outside |
[17:29:26] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: I'd label that as "smartish" ;) |
[17:29:27] | clev: | i also have an option to sms me when my name is said:P |
[17:29:41] | clev: | so i can hear people calling out my name from anywhere |
[17:29:56] | mzb_d800: | outside? you mean the blue room? |
[17:30:02] | iamlindoro__: | clev: *nothing* that is said, to, at, about, or by you is that essential |
[17:30:11] | clev: | the room with the blue sky:P |
[17:30:31] | ** mzb_d800 is blinded ** | |
[17:30:43] | clev: | yes, my eyes hurt too when i go outdoors some days |
[17:30:50] | iamlindoro__: | ugh |
[17:31:20] | ** mzb_d800 realises it was the retro theme ... not the blue room ** | |
[17:31:35] | mzb_d800: | (it's 3:30 am here;) |
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[17:32:46] | mzb_d800: | clev: so what's your sms bill like? |
[17:32:59] | clev: | mzb_d800: receiving is free, and the send service is email based |
[17:33:12] | clev: | so the computer can spam my phone all day and night |
[17:33:15] | mzb_d800: | sounds cheap enough ;) |
[17:33:32] | clev: | and i have no programs checking for a reply, so i cant do anything from sms alone |
[17:33:42] | mzb_d800: | mine are much more expensive ... so I'm more careful |
[17:33:46] | clev: | but i have an ssh client on the other phone, and can screen -x from there |
[17:33:51] | mzb_d800: | 1c each ;) |
[17:34:39] | mzb_d800: | (although I could probably do 0c if I pulled my finger out ... just can't see the value;) |
[17:34:51] | clev: | there, restarted my backend with -v database |
[17:35:00] | clev: | now i can see which query is killing it |
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[17:35:25] | clev: | date |
[17:35:39] | clev: | now to wait another month for it to crash |
[17:35:42] | mzb_d800: | ps: 1c on a $20 plan (TOTAL!!!) with credit that lasts for 6mths |
[17:36:02] | clev: | lol |
[17:36:07] | mzb_d800: | they'll work it out eventually I guess, and stop my trip ;) |
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[17:36:37] | clev: | my total at the bottom is 57$ |
[17:37:26] | mzb_d800: | got a tricky (s/clever?) system setup where relative can sms a command to my phone (no screen, $20/6mth) and then the computer calls them. When they answer, it calls the 2nd number. |
[17:37:27] | clev: | 40$ of that is 'D iMove 150' |
[17:37:30] | Jared555: | is it possible to use any of the windows media center extenders (or something similar) with mythtv or just linux in general |
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[17:37:46] | mzb_d800: | the most expensive part of the call is the sms by the originator ;) |
[17:38:25] | mzb_d800: | (and mythtv has the elegance to display the incoming call on the screen for me :)) |
[17:38:51] | ** mzb_d800 loves mythphone (for popups alone) ** | |
[17:38:58] | clev: | ive setup the myth caller id thing before |
[17:39:14] | clev: | but i dont have that pcmcia modem in my laptop right now |
[17:39:34] | clev: | and i havent done any proper scripts to auto load the programs |
[17:39:37] | mzb_d800: | just in the process of moving ... cracked up the provider |
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[17:40:01] | mzb_d800: | asked if it was ok if I had a different name on the listing (I know it is) |
[17:40:28] | mzb_d800: | so I used my first name as the "Last Name" |
[17:40:36] | mzb_d800: | and "Sir" as the first ;) |
[17:40:57] | clev: | lol |
[17:41:34] | mzb_d800: | "so... how do we call you?" ... "just lookup "FirstName" in the phone book;P" |
[17:41:35] | mzb_d800: | heh |
[17:41:46] | mzb_d800: | who needs a private number? |
[17:42:38] | mzb_d800: | "Can I speak to Mr "FirstName"?" ... "I'll see if his lordship is available ... please hold" (for 5 yrs;) |
[17:42:52] | clev: | lol |
[17:43:03] | clev: | 2008-09–23 01:03:23.751 Driver error was [1/2013]: |
[17:43:10] | Jared555: | mzb_d800, better is the infinite menu for telemarketers |
[17:43:17] | mzb_d800: | mind you ... since employing caller ID ... I've had a total of 3(?) telemarketers in the last 6 mths |
[17:43:35] | clev: | it seems this problem last happened about a week ago |
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[17:43:50] | wagnerrp: | since using callerid? or since forcing callerid (call blocked if they dont identify)? |
[17:43:56] | mzb_d800: | the rest get lost in the torture script ^^^ Jared555 |
[17:44:10] | mzb_d800: | have to pay for callerid here |
[17:44:12] | kormoc: | I love when I get calls from 000-000–0000 |
[17:44:37] | mzb_d800: | and it's BL00DY worth it! |
[17:45:06] | gbee: | here you can have numbers where the callerid is withheld blocked entirely – that's most marketers |
[17:45:30] | mzb_d800: | and they would get my "Privacy Manager" |
[17:45:31] | gbee: | and you can also remove your number from the marketing lists |
[17:45:42] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... hard work |
[17:46:26] | mzb_d800: | and not guaranteed to work ... besides .. teasing telemarketers is good fun (having been there) |
[17:46:53] | gbee: | 95% of firms engaged in telephone marketing are members of the trade body – you give your number to that body and they remove it from all the lists being used by their members |
[17:47:20] | mzb_d800: | but that's the point ... I don't want to give my number to anyone! ;) |
[17:47:22] | gbee: | can't actually recall the last sales call I received |
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[17:47:45] | mzb_d800: | it's easier to torture unknown callers until they die of old age |
[17:48:01] | clev: | i sometimes get recordings saying i won a cruise trip:P |
[17:48:14] | clev: | they start out with a fog horn blasting out of the phone |
[17:48:15] | mzb_d800: | (without knowing about it ... while the computer takes care of them) |
[17:48:17] | iamlindoro__: | Shame those are outside, yes? |
[17:48:34] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: more talking about the blue room? |
[17:48:39] | clev: | the problem with keeping them busy like that, it can tie up the lines and block other calls |
[17:48:51] | mzb_d800: | don't care ;) |
[17:48:59] | iamlindoro__: | mzb_d800: I'm looking sadly out my office window and being bitter about being at work |
[17:49:06] | mzb_d800: | they're on a time limit ... calls per hour ... that sort of thing |
[17:49:20] | clev: | ah |
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[17:49:28] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: sorry ... completely understand ... but then at least you can see daylight! |
[17:49:40] | clev: | ow |
[17:49:45] | clev: | the daylight hurts my eyes |
[17:49:49] | mzb_d800: | heh |
[17:49:57] | clev: | (i looked towards the deck) |
[17:49:58] | iamlindoro__: | mzb_d800: so yeah, I'm feeling particularly pernicious towards out resident shut ins today :) |
[17:50:09] | mzb_d800: | ah |
[17:50:23] | ** mzb_d800 goes back to (overnight emergency) work ** | |
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[17:56:45] | mzb_d800: | ps: my torture script is dead simple: "This number does not accept unsolicited calls. Please enter your phone number [validity check with no repeat option] .... Please enter the birth year of the person you calling." |
[17:57:38] | clev: | even the 1st question would do for most i would think |
[17:57:49] | mzb_d800: | pretty much |
[17:58:09] | clev: | you could probly even get away with whats 5+4 |
[17:58:29] | mzb_d800: | that's what the wake-up call does ;) |
[17:58:54] | mzb_d800: | and it's HARD at that time! |
[17:59:16] | mzb_d800: | g/f circumvents it :| .... she just hangs up |
[17:59:18] | mzb_d800: | lol |
[17:59:29] | clev: | make it call again |
[17:59:33] | clev: | until you get a valid answer |
[17:59:38] | mzb_d800: | it's supposed to |
[17:59:50] | mzb_d800: | but she's got the idea now ... |
[18:00:02] | mzb_d800: | she gets up when it rings |
[18:00:34] | clev: | one of the anti macro(cheating) tests in an online game i played, would ask you simple math questions like 5+2 |
[18:00:40] | clev: | and you have 6mins to answer |
[18:00:50] | mzb_d800: | better get on with the next stage of the job ... brb (it's going to be a long night) |
[18:00:54] | clev: | and if you dont do anything for 5mins, you get kicked out for being idle |
[18:00:55] | Dagmar: | clev: I'll spare you the embarassment of telling people what you were playing. |
[18:01:16] | clev: | Dagmar: you know that game and the 'macro daemon' ?:P |
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[18:01:44] | Dagmar: | I know it because I keep getting called on to check out games for my various neighbor's kids |
[18:01:51] | clev: | ahh |
[18:01:59] | clev: | i havent touched it in months |
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[18:01:59] | Dagmar: | So I wind up playing a bunch of stuff that's populated by ten-year-olds. |
[18:02:14] | Dagmar: | ...which all seem to behave better than the assholes in WoW trade chat |
[18:02:18] | clev: | its not free |
[18:02:28] | Dagmar: | MapleStory isn't free? |
[18:02:33] | clev: | thats a diff game |
[18:02:33] | directhex: | there's a difference between "games for kids" and kid-friendly games |
[18:02:39] | clev: | i was talking about astonia 3 |
[18:02:56] | clev: | i think it was ~10$ us/month |
[18:03:09] | Dagmar: | directhex: From where I sit, not really |
[18:03:11] | clev: | but you have the option of paying for the act of another player |
[18:03:25] | clev: | so you could give a friend game money in exchange for 30 days |
[18:03:26] | Dagmar: | In both cases they bonk you on the head for saying just about anything you might have seen in WoW trade chat |
[18:03:45] | clev: | astonia actualy disables chat for 30 seconds if you try to curse |
[18:03:51] | Dagmar: | Good for them |
[18:03:54] | directhex: | Dagmar, terrible movie-licensed games by THQ are games for kids. high quality games from competent developers like viva pinata are kid-friendly games |
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[18:04:19] | Dagmar: | directhex: Pirates of the Carribean was for kids? |
[18:04:24] | clev: | runescape simple masks the bad words(and stuff like password) out with ****'s |
[18:04:31] | Dagmar: | Runescape sucks ass. |
[18:04:31] | directhex: | technically |
[18:04:43] | clev: | makes it near imposible to scam people with, whats your ****** i need it to fix your stuff |
[18:04:44] | directhex: | which is why depp was nearly fired from the project |
[18:05:19] | clev: | you also cant mention websites |
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[18:05:58] | mzb_d800: | heh ... that stage done (I mean working) |
[18:06:03] | Dagmar: | I know that Blizz just finally instituted kind of a side-effect way of knowing someone you reported for spam (or anything) was permabanned. |
[18:06:22] | Dagmar: | It'll say "A player in your ignore list has been removed from the list because the player no longer exists" when you login |
[18:06:30] | Dagmar: | I'm starting to see it 2–3 times a week now |
[18:06:36] | clev: | one day a idiot in runescape tried to sell me the answer to a puzzle |
[18:06:44] | clev: | i tried to simply tell him its on the website |
[18:06:49] | clev: | it comes out as ******* |
[18:07:00] | clev: | he then reports be for breaking the rules:P |
[18:07:16] | clev: | if the system is masking it out, then it was allready detected! |
[18:07:16] | Dagmar: | This is part of why you shouldn't bother with Runescape |
[18:07:41] | clev: | it also sucks too much cpu to run at reasonable frame rates |
[18:07:44] | wagnerrp: | this is also a shining example of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory |
[18:07:44] | clev: | and lags horidly |
[18:08:24] | Dagmar: | One thing's for sure... Mythic fails at filtering out spammers. |
[18:08:52] | Dagmar: | Blizzard has gotten things so tight I can see the guys who are clearly *trying* to yell about their gold-trading site, but I never see them say it |
[18:08:53] | clev: | the only thing special about runescape is the random variaty of anti bot blockers |
[18:09:05] | clev: | random events which force you to do something different |
[18:09:09] | Dagmar: | Mythic's been talking crap to the press about it, but I get spammed 5–6 times a night |
[18:09:16] | clev: | too many and too complex to program in |
[18:10:25] | clev: | but the lag is just horid, every damn click of the mouse has to pass to the server and back several times |
[18:10:29] | ** mzb_d800 double checks his caffeine supply ... and licks the bottle for a reality check ** | |
[18:10:35] | clev: | and i cant move the pointer at all until it fully registers |
[18:12:51] | stoth: | Anyone know a good irc channel to discuss firewire / av issues related to linux? |
[18:13:04] | ** mzb_d800 decides that beer bottles taste better ** | |
[18:13:25] | mzb_d800: | stoth: probably too social here (atm) ;) |
[18:13:29] | mzb_d800: | jk |
[18:13:31] | ** wagnerrp is not a fan of eating glass ** | |
[18:13:46] | dustybin: | clev: they are downstairs watching tv via the frontend, im all excited :-) |
[18:13:59] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: nothing wrong with the crunchy bits! |
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[18:14:49] | ** mzb_d800 feels a movement in the force ** | |
[18:18:52] | iamlindoro__: | It's as if thousands of lines of coe on clever's backend cried out, and were suddenly silenced |
[18:18:55] | iamlindoro__: | code |
[18:19:10] | clev: | no i didnt just rm -rf |
[18:19:41] | clev: | im simply watching a recording |
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[18:26:00] | mzb_d800: | ok ... that's the end of the long night (I can't count;) |
[18:26:47] | mzb_d800: | I'll bet I have a 3yo she-devil waking me up at 7am (<3hrs) but we'll see |
[18:32:44] | kormoc: | feel the love |
[18:33:07] | cesman: | mzb_d800: nyquil |
[18:33:58] | cesman: | I don' t mean you take it...give it to her ;) |
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[18:38:24] | justinh: | btw folks regarding surveys of people who skip ads with PVRs... more than 50% in the UK apparently. Execs are very worried |
[18:39:00] | justinh: | never clear how they get their stats, but it'd be cool if it's happening through Sky boxes phoning home :P |
[18:39:44] | wagnerrp: | i think the survey i saw was from tivo boxes |
[18:40:10] | justinh: | but then just remember that Newcorp are the guys who managed to patent a system which shows users advertising while they skip ad breaks |
[18:41:02] | Dagmar: | It's awesome to have patented a feature that will make people take appliances back to the store |
[18:41:03] | kormoc: | just wait for the system that will show ads over top of the show content |
[18:41:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how thats a valid patent |
[18:41:34] | wagnerrp: | cablecos have been dumping local ads over network ads for years |
[18:41:40] | wagnerrp: | this is no different |
[18:42:06] | kormoc: | Sure it would be |
[18:42:19] | kormoc: | I'm waiting for the DVR that will take the bottom third of the screen at all times |
[18:42:28] | kormoc: | to help offset the cost of the service, of course |
[18:42:32] | wagnerrp: | its just pumping an ad over pre-recorded content, rather than streamed content |
[18:42:34] | justinh: | heh. now get out of that! |
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[18:43:14] | justinh: | we get advertising in our EPG data |
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[18:44:21] | justinh: | whoah hold that thought. we used to... seems they've stopped |
[18:44:34] | Redhammer: | hello |
[18:44:34] | justinh: | unless uk_rt is filtering it out now |
[18:45:13] | Redhammer: | ha ha |
[18:45:23] | Redhammer: | wait until it will be illegal to skip adds |
[18:45:31] | Redhammer: | you will be copyright-thefting |
[18:45:52] | Redhammer: | shame and horrendous fines are awaiting all evil timeshifters |
[18:46:03] | Redhammer: | they are destroying the very nature and fabric of tv |
[18:46:07] | justinh: | wait until my TV gathers so much dust you can't see any picture on it, in that case |
[18:46:23] | Redhammer: | not watching tv – will also be punishable |
[18:46:39] | Redhammer: | you will have to pay additional licensing fees for undermining add revenue |
[18:47:10] | justinh: | lol |
[18:47:38] | MinDKrime (MinDKrime!n=MinDKrim@12.148.112.254) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
[18:47:43] | Redhammer: | oh and laughing at laws yet to be published costs you GBP25 in a spot fine, which is another lw yer to be published |
[18:47:53] | Redhammer: | another law yet to be published |
[18:47:55] | ** cesman sees Redhammer has thought this thru ** | |
[18:48:16] | ** Redhammer watches add fly by on IRC ** | |
[18:48:38] | Redhammer: | ok back to the content after I have now seen I need to buy an MFI 4 years interest free credit sofa |
[18:48:49] | Dagmar: | no, no, and more no. |
[18:48:55] | Dagmar: | There will not be commercials on IRC. |
[18:49:30] | Redhammer: | more seriously what was the webpage that showed the techincals for UK DVB muxes |
[18:49:43] | justinh: | bitrates etc? |
[18:49:46] | justinh: | and resolution? |
[18:50:55] | Redhammer: | yes that |
[18:51:04] | justinh: | can't remember offhand |
[18:51:57] | gbee: | http://dtt.me.uk/ |
[18:52:22] | justinh: | http://dtt.me.uk/ |
[18:52:30] | justinh: | duh. beaten to it |
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[18:53:10] | justinh: | E4 == 0.48Mbits/sec ?! |
[18:53:39] | justinh: | bugger – look at all the 544*576 channels too! |
[18:54:01] | justinh: | and this is what's gonna be squished into just 5 muxes when 'space' is made 'available' for HD |
[18:54:35] | Redhammer: | thx |
[18:54:56] | justinh: | never noticed the 'null packets' rows. wonder what they're all about then |
[18:55:15] | Redhammer: | ok bbc + 3 the same as i thought |
[18:56:12] | justinh: | maybe things'll improve when they move to 8k ODFM |
[18:57:17] | kormoc: | just $0.22 per null packet |
[18:57:25] | justinh: | ruh? what's this SmileTV2 ? |
[18:58:43] | justinh: | "Smile TV 2 appeared on freeview channel 46 on the 8th September 2008 and broadcasts "Party Girls" and Life Coach TV". Quality, I bet |
[18:59:11] | Redhammer: | well |
[18:59:29] | Redhammer: | Girls Coach and Life Party TV would be better... worse... |
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[19:05:27] | Redhammer: | hmm, my dvb cards both work fine |
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[19:05:41] | Redhammer: | nevermind |
[19:05:59] | ** justinh puts 50p in freenode's electric meter ** | |
[19:06:10] | Redhammer: | still wondering though on what to build, amd 780g sounds very enticing but intel has much lower power consumption on cpu's |
[19:06:29] | justinh: | I thought it was all very much of a muchness these days |
[19:06:49] | Redhammer: | if I build I would want to try completely passive I think |
[19:07:10] | justinh: | big box next to the telly? yuck |
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[19:07:34] | justinh: | I only bought that tuner card so I could record the odd show when the VHS was busy |
[19:07:56] | justinh: | now have 3 tuners, loads of disk & a big ugly noisy backend in the computer room :) |
[19:08:30] | justinh: | btw I know this might sound daft but maybe there's a diffrence in RF noise patterns between windows & linux on that machine of yours |
[19:08:35] | Redhammer: | why big box ? |
[19:09:01] | Redhammer: | possible wrt RF noise |
[19:09:09] | justinh: | because 3 pci tuner cards, 3 HDDs & an athlon 2000xp would get way too hot for a small box :) |
[19:09:46] | Redhammer: | ah ok, I was thinking: 1 low watt cpu, igp, 1 tb hd low power, 1 dvd burner, 2 dual tuner and done |
[19:10:01] | Redhammer: | no fans or one 12cm fan on the cpu |
[19:10:01] | justinh: | whenever I've had reception problems ( which hasn't been very often) it's always been the cabling & connectors to blame |
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[19:10:29] | Redhammer: | yeah heck I can SEE the crystal palace transmitter from where I live |
[19:10:36] | Redhammer: | it should be near perfect but not so |
[19:10:56] | justinh: | thing is, for all digital TV lacks ghosting & fading effects it's massively borked by simple impulse noise |
[19:11:30] | justinh: | it'd prolly be well worth your while replacing the whole aerial downlead if you can |
[19:11:39] | justinh: | CT100 cable or better |
[19:11:57] | justinh: | nice overall foil screen rather than the very gappy 60% braid on olde worlde coax |
[19:12:43] | justinh: | Redhammer: in your position I'd probably do some very systematic testing |
[19:13:15] | justinh: | find out if any mux in particular is plagued by reception issues more than any other, looking for trends |
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[19:13:34] | jonK: | hi |
[19:14:22] | justinh: | Redhammer: it might be that the mux(es) giving you trouble might be out of range of your aerial's frequency grouping. I dunno the setup @ Crystal Palace though |
[19:14:39] | jonK: | if anyone's up to giving me some advice, I'd love to ask a copule questions about the hauppauge 1600 |
[19:14:40] | justinh: | in other parts of the country they had to find space for DTT muxes all over the UHF band |
[19:14:42] | Redhammer: | justinh mux1 is good, mux 2 is bad, mux A is good |
[19:15:07] | jonK: | err.. couple |
[19:15:11] | justinh: | Redhammer: mux2 higher or lower frequency than the others? |
[19:15:14] | justinh: | jonK: just ask |
[19:15:38] | jonK: | well, building new backend with 2 1600s and 2 pvr500s |
[19:15:49] | Redhammer: | http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=TQ339712 |
[19:15:58] | Redhammer: | its the low power ones that cause problems |
[19:15:58] | jonK: | for the frontend (on a seperate box) wondering what I'll need to do to view hdtv content |
[19:16:17] | jonK: | I think i hvae the backend running and recording properly |
[19:16:24] | Redhammer: | acutally that page has changed |
[19:16:30] | Redhammer: | do not bother with that |
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[19:17:08] | Redhammer: | mux 2 seems lower than 1 & A |
[19:17:13] | jonK: | and would like to have the frontend dispaly the myth interface in widescreen — prior system seemed to always show 4:3 |
[19:17:24] | justinh: | jonK: just about any system of >1.5Ghz with a reasonable VGA card can play mpeg2 HDTV |
[19:17:37] | justinh: | use a widescreen theme :) |
[19:17:48] | jonK: | have a p4 3.0 dual core — as the front end |
[19:17:52] | justinh: | and a widescreen display of course |
[19:17:54] | jonK: | not core duo |
[19:18:03] | iamlindoro__: | That will be fine for broadcast MPEG-2 |
[19:18:05] | jonK: | but sould be enough — but it has an fx5200 card |
[19:18:08] | justinh: | jonK: should be fine, that – assuming your VGA drivers support Xv |
[19:18:09] | jonK: | think I might need to replace |
[19:18:17] | iamlindoro__: | 5200 is fine |
[19:18:17] | jonK: | was using svideo out to an lcd panel |
[19:18:19] | justinh: | jonK: that'll be ok |
[19:18:37] | mchou: | jonK: what's the issue man? |
[19:18:57] | jonK: | thought svideo was less quality than say DVI to HDMI |
[19:19:06] | mchou: | jonK: it is |
[19:19:10] | justinh: | jonK: it is |
[19:19:11] | jonK: | so was thinking a new card might give better picture for the new HD recordings |
[19:19:27] | justinh: | if you don't have DVI, probably better to go for a card with DVI or HDMI |
[19:19:28] | jonK: | for the new backend system |
[19:19:41] | jonK: | are there cards now with hdmi outs? |
[19:19:44] | mchou: | jonK: the card desnt have vga orDVI? |
[19:19:45] | justinh: | yeah |
[19:20:15] | jonK: | also did some remodeling — added two network jacks to each room in the house |
[19:20:28] | jonK: | for some reason, after hurricane ike, went to reboot old backend and got a grub 17 error |
[19:20:29] | justinh: | Redhammer: hmm I doubt it's aerial group related. they're not all over the band |
[19:20:40] | mchou: | jonK: lol |
[19:20:41] | justinh: | it still could be though |
[19:20:49] | Redhammer: | well its probabyl ok for the moment |
[19:21:00] | Redhammer: | and as I rent I cannot rip out the cabling either |
[19:21:05] | jonK: | so decided to build new one — bought the two 1600 cards |
[19:21:21] | mchou: | jonK: electrical "disruptions" probably machine got fried a few times |
[19:21:23] | jonK: | and new board/drive/cpu |
[19:21:35] | justinh: | jonK: unless you're gonna be using the backend for watching TV & recordings, no point upgrading the VGA card |
[19:21:40] | jonK: | mchou — i am farily certain i unplugged it before storm |
[19:22:05] | jonK: | justin — no, backend system not for watching |
[19:22:14] | jonK: | have it attached to old analog tv |
[19:22:39] | mchou: | jonK: so you have the 1600s in hand? |
[19:22:48] | jonK: | but it's' been a long time since |
[19:22:58] | jonK: | i watched anyting in that room |
[19:22:59] | mchou: | jonK: are they installed? |
[19:23:19] | jonK: | mchou 1 installed one not, I've been adding cards 1 at a time |
[19:23:28] | jonK: | have 2 pvr 500s and 1 1600 in the box right now |
[19:23:39] | mchou: | jonK: you use ATSC or QAM? |
[19:23:50] | mchou: | for the 1600? |
[19:24:01] | jonK: | using atsc for the current card — was going to at least scan the cable for any unencrypted channels |
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[19:24:28] | jonK: | for the OTA, I assume I can split the antenna feed into both cards |
[19:24:47] | jonK: | after that I have either a ovr 350 or a pchdtv300 i could also add to the backend |
[19:24:58] | mchou: | jonK: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
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[19:25:23] | mchou: | jonK: enter your zip in that link. Shows all your clearQAM |
[19:25:28] | justinh: | jonK: assuming your signal is healthy enough yes. if not, you may need an amplified splitter doodah |
[19:25:56] | jonK: | using one of those for the cable feed already — splits input line between a cable modem and two pvr500s |
[19:26:11] | jonK: | and actaully 1 line into the 1 1600 as well |
[19:26:30] | justinh: | you can only split cable so many ways before the signal degrades to F.A. ;) |
[19:26:32] | mchou: | jonK: you recall your sig strength and snr on atsc? |
[19:26:40] | justinh: | every split halves the signal level |
[19:26:50] | jonK: | i know... so far it seems ok |
[19:26:59] | jonK: | splitter is powered so should be less than 1/2 |
[19:27:18] | mchou: | which powered splitter you using? |
[19:27:30] | jonK: | whatever radio shack sold me |
[19:27:34] | mchou: | lol |
[19:27:35] | jonK: | think it was made by RCA |
[19:27:37] | mchou: | bad!! |
[19:27:53] | mchou: | RCA junk |
[19:28:24] | mchou: | but anyways |
[19:31:18] | jonK: | so back to the question... what would be a suggested card for an HDMI out? |
[19:31:45] | iamlindoro__: | Anything nVidia with HDMI. |
[19:32:00] | styelz: | hello, would anyone know a site/url that would explain to me how i could make a 75 ohm cable splitter ? ill keep looking |
[19:32:19] | iamlindoro__: | or you can even just get a DVI card and use a DVI->HDMI cable if you don't care about the audio being on that cable |
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[19:33:00] | jonK: | have xbox/playstation using hdmi with the same screen so, could do either |
[19:33:06] | mchou: | jonK: if the card has DVI out just use that |
[19:33:21] | jonK: | just a question of one cable or two to the receiver |
[19:33:30] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
[19:33:45] | Redhammer: | anybody looking forward to the closed source uvd2 release |
[19:34:56] | XLV: | Redhammer, you mean about gpu accelerated mpeg4 in linux? just get a better cpu and be done with all the waiting |
[19:35:06] | iamlindoro__: | Redhammer: As it seems they intend only to open the API up to manufacturers and not to the community at large, no, I'm not too excited. |
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[19:35:36] | Redhammer: | yes but OEM only has never really worked, has it? |
[19:36:39] | iamlindoro__: | Redhammer: Until they open the API to the public, it's as useless as ever. |
[19:37:03] | Redhammer: | true but they probably struggle with that |
[19:37:08] | iamlindoro__: | It's not like you can just copy in new drivers and expect it to work, Myth would need access to the API to interact with it |
[19:37:09] | Redhammer: | ink on paper and lawyers |
[19:37:15] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. So? |
[19:37:31] | iamlindoro__: | I don't care why it is, just don't see why I should get all worked up about something that is useless to me. |
[19:37:42] | Redhammer: | I am not saying its the saviour and all, I was just asking |
[19:37:52] | iamlindoro__: | It's useless. Entirely. |
[19:38:08] | Redhammer: | ok |
[19:38:43] | jonK: | well — back to microcenter for another card then |
[19:39:10] | XLV: | not to mention that even in windows, theres a lot of content that doesnt exactly follow the encoding settings the players that accelerate h264/vc1 on gpu need to do so, so acceleration doesnt work on those |
[19:39:27] | jonK: | i love (and hate) problems that ou can solve by simply throwing money at them |
[19:40:06] | ** Redhammer nodds ** | |
[19:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | All that said, if they reverse course and publicize the API (which they easily could do without divulging patented info) then I'll happily buy a nice expensive ATI card and support them. |
[19:41:31] | Redhammer: | hope I am not drifting off-topic again but what do people use to make DVDs with menu's I am trying to make a DVD with 20 short clips and dvdstyler is doing my head in |
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[19:49:43] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/01/tivo-sug . . . ted-kingdom/ |
[19:49:45] | iamlindoro__: | heh, that sucks |
[19:50:25] | iamlindoro__: | Interesting that they weren't able to find some solution to at least closely match the original functionality |
[19:50:55] | iamlindoro__: | ie, keep a DB of similar shows on Tivo servers and pass that info to the player seperate from the guide info |
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[19:57:59] | Redhammer: | yeah bad news |
[20:01:31] | gbee: | makes you wonder just what's so different about the guide data, what was it that the feature depended on? |
[20:02:52] | gbee: | but then tivo has never really made progress in the UK – I'd say the vast majority of people who have heard the name Tivo in the UK did so watching a US series where it was mentioned |
[20:03:51] | gbee: | btw Tivo marketing should be patting themselves on the back, they get regular mentions on US tv – product placement obviously isn't illegal over there |
[20:05:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jonK: I'm using an 'old' nvidia GF6200LE with a DVI->HDMI adapter cable to a 21.6" LCD on one of my frontends... Works great. |
[20:06:20] | jonK: | cool |
[20:06:39] | jonK: | i put an 8400 in the backend, but really don't ahve any reason for it |
[20:06:50] | jonK: | it's the frontend system i really need to worry about |
[20:06:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jonK: pixel-perfect 1680x1050 digital beauty. ;-) |
[20:07:02] | iamlindoro__: | gbee: All you need to do is watch an episode of Heroes to know that |
[20:07:07] | iamlindoro__: | "Nissan Versa!!!" |
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[20:08:27] | Dagmar: | Oh if you want to see worse, go look at the Heroes "Websodes" listed on Hulu.com |
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[20:08:36] | Dagmar: | Product placement is about half the contant. |
[20:08:40] | Dagmar: | s/contant/content/; |
[20:09:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dagmar: Is that actually in the program itself, and not commercials? If so, it's probably because of all of us MythTV users skipping commercials... ;-) |
[20:11:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ Reminds me of "The Truman Show"... ;-) |
[20:11:33] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: It's the webisodes themselves. |
[20:11:49] | Dagmar: | Scenes that start with a zoom closeup of the Nissan oval on the front of an SUV |
[20:12:21] | Dagmar: | ...scenes where someone stares at a photo on the Sprint iPhone knockoff, with the Sprint logo very visible, etc. |
[20:12:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah, probably a sign of the times. Those sorts of things used to be quite 'passive', now they're becoming blatently obvious... |
[20:14:31] | iamlindoro__: | I would hope that Masi Oka was suitably embarassed by his only lines in the first half of Heroes Season 1 being "Nissan Versa!" |
[20:14:57] | iamlindoro__: | Embarassed all the way to the bank, but nonetheless |
[20:16:38] | wagnerrp: | well you know, there are ads on tv, on the radio, on billboards, on vehicles, in the sky, but at least my dreams are still ad free! |
[20:19:49] | gbee: | actually the worst offender and one I've mentioned before, should have remembered, was a series of CSI – long lingering shots of mobile phones from all angles plastered with "Sprint" and logos |
[20:20:21] | wagnerrp: | no followup with lightspeed briefs?... bah |
[20:20:31] | gbee: | heh |
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[20:24:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: I remember seeing them use my beloved StarTac in the early CSI episodes... ;-) (7 years old and still works great!) |
[20:24:59] | ** directhex beams adverts into wagnerrp's brain ** | |
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[20:26:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work suspects wagnerrp's dreams may reesembe the late-night 'chat line' ads/commercials... ;-) ** | |
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[20:26:57] | iamlindoro__: | Pfft, why waste dream time on semi-clothedness? |
[20:27:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Well, I didn't say he didn't continue the dream beyond that... ;-) |
[20:27:43] | lotia: | possibly OT, or tangential. any recommendations for a video card? pci express x16 or x16 2.0? been out of the market, so don't know if nvidia or ati is the way to go. |
[20:27:48] | lotia: | i'll likely be using mythbuntu |
[20:27:55] | iamlindoro__: | They're my dreams, and if I want to vanquish a room of naked chicks with huge endowments while a group of midgets from the Wizard of Oz looks on, I'll do it. |
[20:28:09] | wagnerrp: | any nvidia card still purchasable new is a viable option |
[20:28:12] | kormoc: | nvidia imho |
[20:28:20] | kormoc: | and doesn't matter the interface overly |
[20:28:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | lotia: Anything Nvidia – and x16 is way more than enough for TV... |
[20:28:37] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I think I saw something like that on E! last night actually. |
[20:28:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | lotia: You could even use a PCI card... ;-) |
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[20:29:01] | lotia: | J-e-f-f-A|work: pci ports at a premium. |
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[20:29:19] | gbee: | that was a joke |
[20:29:26] | kormoc: | not overly |
[20:29:30] | kormoc: | my pci 5200 is awesome! |
[20:29:31] | wagnerrp: | PCI is adequate for SD video |
[20:29:40] | lotia: | i'll be doing HD. |
[20:29:44] | kormoc: | 720p baby! |
[20:29:47] | wagnerrp: | but when you hit HD resolutions, you rapidly run out of bus bandwidth |
[20:29:53] | lotia: | 1080p |
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[20:30:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah... I was going to add that "HD might need PCIe, but it sure doesn't need the whole x16 bandwidth..." |
[20:30:18] | kormoc: | agp works fine for hd stuff |
[20:30:46] | fryfrog: | Think about the resoloutions of HD, 1920x1080 and 1280x720 |
[20:30:56] | fryfrog: | these are all monitor resolutions that almost any video card can do |
[20:31:04] | fryfrog: | in 2d, that is |
[20:31:10] | gbee: | kormoc: I know PCI is possible, just that there are very few cards around – the joke being that you _can_ use PCI not that you should go out and try to find a PCI card |
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[20:31:24] | fryfrog: | computers have been doing "HD" since nearly 1024x768 resolutions :/ |
[20:31:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work was running 720p on a PCI card on a PIII 1Ghz, but I must have had the *perfect* environment (ie; chipset, video card, etc, all played 'nice'), because it played fine as long as the OSD wasn't displaying. Many others haven't been able to replicate that success... ** | |
[20:31:58] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: just because you can pump 2048x1536 out of the card, doesnt necessarily mean you can get it to the card |
[20:32:05] | iamlindoro__: | Amusingly, that new Neuros box which claims to capture 720p does so at 1024x768 |
[20:32:24] | wagnerrp: | run a 2d desktop is FAR less consuming than running video at that resolution |
[20:32:46] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: yeah, but 2048x1536 is *VASTLY* bigger than any HD resolutions |
[20:32:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: yeah, I keep forgetting to email my cousin who works there and find out what the deal is on that box... ;-) |
[20:33:00] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: for a *video* card, what it is putputting (video or static image) hardly matters. |
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[20:33:11] | fryfrog: | especially if the video card isn't doing any offloading |
[20:33:23] | fryfrog: | and put putputting i meant outputting :p |
[20:33:23] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I was thinking about it and it occurred to me that, downsampling aside, you will never be able to capture better than SD on it |
[20:33:26] | wagnerrp: | PCI cuts out somewhere below 1080p60, if it gets the entire bus |
[20:33:30] | lotia: | also, any HW offload yet? |
[20:33:38] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: i could believe that, for sure |
[20:33:48] | wagnerrp: | but i know from experience, you dont want to run even 1280x1024 video over PCI |
[20:33:57] | fryfrog: | but i wouldn't bet against a pci being able to do 1280x720 |
[20:34:00] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: As component outs will do 720x480, then jump to 1280x720.... so if the cutoff is 1024x768, you are *stuck* with 720x480 |
[20:34:17] | fryfrog: | that all said, it'd be hard to find *or* use a pci video card that'd work :p |
[20:34:24] | kormoc: | lotia, XvMC, but gains are mostly random |
[20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | xvmc gives you hardware mpeg2 decode |
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[20:34:54] | kormoc: | fryfrog, wagnerrp, I currently do run 720P over a pci 5200 just fine. Massive 64 megs of ram |
[20:34:54] | wagnerrp: | there is (currently) no linux support for anything else |
[20:35:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: ok, this was on a secondary monitor on my desktop some years back |
[20:35:47] | wagnerrp: | running it in a window was fine, but full screen got choppy, on a R9200 |
[20:35:51] | lotia: | i've also been hit with the channels that broadcast 720p in my region. some talk of it on the mailing list about abc in some regions and how decoding has become a LOT more CPU intensive in those regions. |
[20:35:53] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work was running 720p on a PCI 5600 *barely* with a PIII 1Ghz... with XvMC – many moons ago... ** | |
[20:36:29] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, core2duo, no XvMC, as long as it's not h264.... |
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[20:37:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | lotia: That might be the case for me — I was watching 24 2 yrs ago on the PIII system fine, but last year it was a bit choppy, so they probably increased the bitrate. |
[20:37:40] | kormoc: | bitrate can also very during the day |
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[20:38:04] | kormoc: | popular shows during primetime tend to get higher bitrates then they do offtime |
[20:38:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... but I recently threw together an Atlon 64 3200+ from some spare parts, and it plays 720P and 1080P quite nice... Although my audio is very quiet... (using alsa currently.. FC8 [or is it 9] install with svn 0.21-fixes) |
[20:39:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: I'll send myself a note to find my cosin's email address and find out what the deal is with that box... ;-) And see if I can help 'enhance' it some how... ;-) |
[20:39:46] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Heh |
[20:40:03] | lotia: | J-e-f-f-A|work: i have a p4 3ghz that struggle on abc. but i have a feeling that i may have HW problems now. |
[20:40:15] | iamlindoro__: | apparently the TI chip one bump up from the one they're using (both currently available) will do 1080p60 encoding/decoding |
[20:40:17] | wagnerrp: | well theres no way they can make ATSC a LOT more intensive |
[20:40:40] | wagnerrp: | since they cant raise the bitrate past 19.6mbps |
[20:40:49] | wagnerrp: | and thats peak, not average |
[20:40:51] | lotia: | thanks for all your answers. now that you have me spoiled, i'll get greedy and ask if people have particular cards they like (vendor, model) |
[20:40:56] | Dagmar: | They can add more car chase scenes. |
[20:40:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Sure there is... they could switch to mpeg4, right? |
[20:41:07] | wagnerrp: | ATSC... no |
[20:41:11] | lotia: | fanless. |
[20:41:44] | wagnerrp: | cable and satellite companies can use mpeg4 if they want to replace hardware |
[20:41:56] | wagnerrp: | but broadcast is mandated to be mpeg2 (in the US) |
[20:42:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | lotia: NVidia all the way... ;-) I currently use 'cheap' GF6200LE cards in 3 of my systems. |
[20:42:26] | lotia: | iamlindoro: you referring to the neuros box? |
[20:42:39] | wagnerrp: | ive got the same card in my frontend |
[20:43:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Humm... yeah, I suppose if it's in the spec then it would take a while to change it... Since all the digital ATSC tuners wouldn't know about MPEG4... |
[20:43:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | lotia: Yes, he was. |
[20:43:24] | kormoc: | lotia, I like XFX, Gainward, and MSI |
[20:43:26] | wagnerrp: | beyond output suport (component, hdmi), there is no advantage between one nvidia card to the next (from mythtv's point of view) |
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[20:44:31] | wagnerrp: | XFX tends to be a "gamer's" card |
[20:44:47] | wagnerrp: | nice hardware, but typically overclocked and too noisy for HTPC uses |
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[20:46:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, they have some slient ones, or used to when I last looked, and weren't overly priced |
[20:46:26] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
[20:47:03] | lotia: | wagnerrp: vendors etc. have different heatsink implmentations. |
[20:47:21] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, my XFX 6800 with a 40% OC runs cooler and quieter than my stock 6600 |
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[20:47:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | But an overclocked video card is of no benefit to Myth without hardware decoding support, right? |
[20:48:08] | wagnerrp: | absolutely correct |
[20:48:55] | wagnerrp: | it would only ever be worthwhile if someone produces a shader or CUDA based decoder |
[20:49:07] | wagnerrp: | but then even low end cards should be readily overpowered for the task |
[20:49:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work fights the urge to stop at Micro Center on the way home and spend $$$ he doesn't have on new hardware... ** | |
[20:50:06] | ** kormoc takes J-e-f-f-A|work's american card away from him ** | |
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[20:50:18] | ** iamlindoro__ has some learning to do about overclocking tonight ** | |
[20:50:18] | wagnerrp: | 'american card'? |
[20:50:33] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm, Q9650 @ 3.6 Ghz, methinks |
[20:50:40] | kormoc: | it is our duity as americans to get so in debt that the rich stay rich, even during time of economic downturns! |
[20:50:43] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro__: your brand new 3GHz quad core too slow? |
[20:50:48] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp: MOAR! |
[20:50:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, read creditcard |
[20:51:00] | kormoc: | stereotypes for the win! |
[20:51:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kormoc: I probably should just get that Acer Aspire system with a 4600+ X2 processor up with myth... I bought it to be a frontend, and it's been sitting idle for the last few months... ;-) |
[20:53:02] | lotia: | thanks all. |
[20:53:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot rant]... bugs me that I can't start firefox in my NX session because it's already running on the 'real' x session... DOH! |
[20:53:51] | wagnerrp: | i forget what, but theres a command line flag you can set to let you open firefox under a new profile |
[20:54:38] | wagnerrp: | '-ProfileManager' |
[20:55:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: It pops up a window that says "Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system. [OK]"... |
[20:55:19] | wagnerrp: | even with that flag? |
[20:55:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Perhaps it's because I'm logged in as the same user on both the box itself and my NX session? |
[20:55:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: ^^ didn't try the flag... |
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[20:55:54] | lotia: | thanks all |
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[20:56:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: HEHE! ;-) that worked. You're the man... ;-) |
[20:56:39] | wagnerrp: | you cannot run two instances of firefox on the same profile at the same time |
[20:56:44] | wagnerrp: | but multiple profiles work just fine |
[20:56:55] | wagnerrp: | although you have to figure out a way to synchronize the profiles |
[20:57:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | goes along with my multiple personalities... ;-) (just kidding!) |
[20:57:10] | XLV: | i got a msi 7950gt passively cooled in my htpc.. without fan it used to go up to 105–110C when in load, i used some tipeups to fasten a 80mm fan on it, now its cool and quiet.. much quieter than the 6600gt it replaced |
[21:03:45] | wagnerrp: | does anyone know how the upnp system functions internally? |
[21:03:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I just added "-ProfileManager" to the KDE panel button... that fixesit. ;-) |
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[21:03:58] | wagnerrp: | recordings show up immediately, but mythvideo does not |
[21:04:10] | wagnerrp: | does it run on some sort of timer, where it rebuilds at some interval? |
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[21:04:28] | wagnerrp: | does 'mythbackend --upnprebuild' work with the backend already running? |
[21:04:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I don't, but in my house using more than one UPnP device doesn't work – only the 1st one sees Myth... |
[21:04:50] | wagnerrp: | im just talking about how it scans for media to serve |
[21:05:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Mine sees all the Recordings, Videos and Music that the (local) frontend can see. |
[21:05:52] | wagnerrp: | because ive not been able to reliably get new mythvideo content without taking down the backends, running a rebuild, and bringing them back up |
[21:06:47] | wagnerrp: | but i dont like frequently restarting the backend |
[21:07:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Hum... I don't know that I've seen that issue, but my son's been the only one using a UPnP player, I'd have to try adding some videos and see if they show up on his player without bouncing the backend. |
[21:07:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I do know that I've never run a rebuild manually... |
[21:09:32] | wagnerrp: | if i just rescan mythvideo, and leave it, they eventually show up |
[21:10:00] | wagnerrp: | although a rebuild seems to realphabetize the list, good for large directories |
[21:10:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Actually... I think You'd at least have to add them in the Video Manager within mythfrontend (on your backend box) to see them in UPnP... |
[21:10:38] | wagnerrp: | correct: i run the video manager to rescan, but they never show up immediately |
[21:12:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Well, there is a table called "upnpmedia" – so it would seem that it doesn't get updated in 'real time' like the other tables. I'm not familar enough with the code to tell you when or how often it gets updated... |
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[21:20:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Looks like you could start mythbackend with verbose logging and look for "BuildMediaMap"... it tells when it starts to build the UPnP maps, and when it finishes... (still looking at what triggers it to do so) |
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[21:31:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: I just did a test — I moved a video into my video directory, and ran "mythbackend --upnprebuild" in a shell window, and it spit out it's progress and exited, and the upnpmedia table now contains that video. |
[21:32:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: ... and interesting... I forgot to add it to the frontend with a scan... humm.... It found it anyways... |
[21:32:50] | wagnerrp: | upnp found a video without it first getting scanned by video manager? |
[21:33:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Well, it's in the 'upnpmedia' table... I'd have to wait until I got home to check it on the player... |
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[21:34:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: And when I was looking at the code, it looks like it scans the video directories directly, and doesn't read the video database. |
[21:35:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Just confirmed there's no entry for the video file in the 'videometadata' table, but there is in the 'upnpmedia' table. |
[21:36:10] | wagnerrp: | so the upnp just grabs the path, and does its own thing |
[21:36:26] | wagnerrp: | good to know |
[21:36:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | seems to work that way from my experimenting... |
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[21:38:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Seems like it uses the video metadata to get the Title Name and Cover Art though... not sure if that would prevent it from showing up in the upnp browser tree... |
[21:39:16] | wagnerrp: | ive never see it display coverart, although that could be a limitation of the ps3 |
[21:39:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I've never seen it either, on an IO-Data AverLink UPnP player... Just a basic file browser... |
[21:40:29] | wagnerrp: | images would certainly be welcome |
[21:40:43] | wagnerrp: | although it already takes long enough to walk through a directory with a couple hundred movies |
[21:41:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Looks like if it doesn't find an entry in the videometadata table it uses the filename as the title, and blanks for the cover art column. |
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[21:44:32] | wagnerrp: | seems the ps3 does not think the mythtv upnp server is dlna compatible |
[21:45:13] | wagnerrp: | it will still play files, but it puts an asterisk next to all the names, saying its not a fully compliant server |
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[21:52:18] | directhex: | the ps3's opinion of the dlna spec changes every firmware update |
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[21:52:47] | wagnerrp: | awesome! |
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[23:21:28] | dustybin: | day 2 – sister + boyfriend still using frontend :-) |
[23:21:39] | dustybin: | no complaints yet |
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[23:24:05] | fryfrog: | dustybin: your boyfriend and your sister still like teh myth? |
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[23:24:28] | dustybin: | fryfrog: sisters boyfriend! |
[23:24:45] | dustybin: | i cannot seem to get suspend to ram working |
[23:24:55] | dustybin: | i can suspend using: s2ram -f |
[23:25:28] | dustybin: | but when i press the power button, to bring it back, the display comes on but doesnt show anything much apart from some distorted lines |
[23:25:53] | dustybin: | maybe its because im using a pci based gfx card instead of a agp |
[23:26:21] | dustybin: | im reading this: http://en.opensuse.org/NVidia_Suspend_HOWTO |
[23:26:29] | dustybin: | but that seems to be dedicated to AGP cards |
[23:26:36] | fryfrog: | i don't even used suspend (to disk or ram) in windows, not sure i'd try in linux :p |
[23:26:50] | dustybin: | why not? iamlindoro does |
[23:27:32] | dustybin: | fryfrog: suspend to ram saves power, and it also saves you from booting the frontend up |
[23:28:05] | fryfrog: | i should try it, that could actually be totally awesome |
[23:28:28] | fryfrog: | do you change your frontend's "shutdown command" to be the command line suspend command? |
[23:29:17] | dustybin: | fryfrog: its up to you, i plan to make the power button on my remote the suspend button |
[23:29:30] | dustybin: | and the button on the actual box a full shutdown |
[23:29:43] | fryfrog: | what about when you do "exit and shutdown" from the UI? |
[23:29:46] | dustybin: | im not bothering with mythtv menus |
[23:29:52] | fryfrog: | ah |
[23:30:01] | dustybin: | i switched off exit, there is no exit at all |
[23:30:04] | fryfrog: | irexec for the remote's power button? |
[23:30:07] | dustybin: | yep |
[23:30:13] | fryfrog: | interesting |
[23:30:16] | fryfrog: | can you power on via remote? |
[23:30:22] | dustybin: | yes |
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[23:30:34] | dustybin: | you need to make sure the usb bus with your ir reciever is kept on |
[23:30:36] | fryfrog: | nice, how? special do-dad or? |
[23:30:39] | fryfrog: | ahhhhh |
[23:30:45] | fryfrog: | and then what, any keypress wakes it up? |
[23:30:49] | dustybin: | yep |
[23:31:06] | fryfrog: | that could be so hot that it would make the occupants of my abode happy |
[23:31:20] | dustybin: | aye |
[23:31:28] | dustybin: | thats if you can get it to work |
[23:31:33] | fryfrog: | would suspend to disk wake up via usb do you think? |
[23:31:34] | dustybin: | read lots of problems associated with this |
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[23:31:46] | dustybin: | fryfrog: im not sure |
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[23:32:18] | fryfrog: | dustybin: well, thanks for the idea for sure :) |
[23:32:42] | dustybin: | fryfrog: if you look towards the bottom of this page, it shows you how: |
[23:32:42] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
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