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| [00:00:14] | Wicked: | ah |
| [00:00:27] | Wicked: | well i hope after all this fuss...it works....and have what i need |
| [00:01:04] | abqjp: | sphery: I chose Directv because they had SciFi in HD last year, and because you can control their boxes via the usb port, so channel changed are reliable. Now that Dish also has SciFi in HD, I would consider them because they are cheaper with their TurboHD package. However, I still like the reliable channel changes.... |
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| [00:04:16] | RyeBrye: | is the UPNP pin in the db? |
| [00:04:50] | GreyFoxx: | Yup |
| [00:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | Set in mythtv-setup I believe |
| [00:05:22] | RyeBrye: | I'm away from the backend so I can't get to setup, but I can get to the DB so I was trying to set it there |
| [00:05:31] | RyeBrye: | one hasn't been set yet on my new backend so it wont let me in ;( |
| [00:05:50] | GreyFoxx: | vnc and or x forwarding is your friend :) |
| [00:06:13] | GreyFoxx: | but if you must touch the database directly, it's in the settings tabl esomehwere |
| [00:06:20] | GreyFoxx: | likely with "upnp" in the name :) |
| [00:06:37] | RyeBrye: | ok, I'll look for it |
| [00:08:18] | wagnerrp: | the value is just 'SecurityPin' |
| [00:08:22] | RyeBrye: | Ah, gotcha |
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| [00:09:13] | Wicked: | ok i have one last dumbass question...if i go and get the hd box..and it has firewire and all that....but lets say 5c is enabled and i only get 3 channels...i could say screw it and hook it up via svideo/coaxial...and get all the channels i subscribe too? |
| [00:09:40] | iamlindoro: | yes, you could |
| [00:09:47] | Wicked: | excelent |
| [00:09:48] | Wicked: | thanks |
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| [00:09:54] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:14:14] | Wicked: | bah. should have asked him what the "legacy" box models where...so i would know which ones where bad |
| [00:14:34] | iamlindoro: | Just physically inspect it |
| [00:14:47] | Wicked: | yea....iirc firewire has 2 sizes? |
| [00:15:04] | Wicked: | my old camcorder had firewire..and it was very small size plug |
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| [00:15:38] | fryfrog: | Wicked: I think it has 3 or more, actually :/ |
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| [00:15:52] | fryfrog: | there is a firewire 800 connector, and 2 firewire 400 that i *know* of |
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| [00:16:26] | Wicked: | hmm ok. |
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| [00:16:43] | Wicked: | this box i have now....not a hd box..but it has a unlabled port on the front... |
| [00:17:07] | Wicked: | could that be firewire? |
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| [00:17:45] | Termina: | Is there any way to have both the frontend and backend record, if they're two seperate computers each with a capture card? |
| [00:17:52] | Termina: | I assume there is, but I can't seem to figure it out :P |
| [00:19:33] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, It will be Firewire 400, only |
| [00:19:47] | iamlindoro: | Termina, Only by making the frontend card a slave backend |
| [00:19:53] | iamlindoro: | er frontend system |
| [00:20:04] | Termina: | I tried doing that, maybe I made a mistake |
| [00:20:09] | Termina: | I changed the mysql.txt to point to the backend |
| [00:20:29] | Termina: | should I then set something in the backend to recognize the frontend, or vice-versa? |
| [00:20:49] | Wicked: | heres a pic of the port on the front of my stb |
| [00:20:50] | Wicked: | http://picpaste.com/pics/dscf0697.1222734032.jpg |
| [00:21:11] | iamlindoro: | A slave backend is set up the same as a master backend, except all the DB info points at the master instead of itself |
| [00:21:13] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, USB |
| [00:21:50] | Wicked: | ah ok...it looked different from the usb port on the back |
| [00:21:58] | Termina: | Alright, to mysql.txt should point to frontend still (on the frontend), and in mythtv-set change both backend options to the master backend? |
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| [00:22:02] | Termina: | or only the master backend option? |
| [00:22:17] | iamlindoro: | the Frontend's mysql.txt should NEVER point at itself |
| [00:22:32] | RyeBrye: | In general, does the output of the S/PDIF header on the motherboard come from the audio chipset or is digital audio somehow directly sent there without going to audio chipset? |
| [00:22:42] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, from the audio chipset |
| [00:22:55] | Termina: | Alright, I will keep mysql.txt pointing to the backend |
| [00:22:57] | iamlindoro: | Termina, on the slave backend, the Backend info points at itself, and the Master backend info points at the MBE |
| [00:23:13] | iamlindoro: | Termina, You also need mythbackend installed on the slave backend |
| [00:23:19] | Termina: | yep, it is |
| [00:23:26] | Termina: | i was using it as the master for a while |
| [00:23:34] | Termina: | set up a second computer, and also set up a backend on it |
| [00:23:45] | iamlindoro: | So on the SBE, Backend info = itself, MBE info = MBE, and mysql.txt = MBE |
| [00:24:00] | iamlindoro: | on the MBE, all IPs/mysql.txt points at itself |
| [00:24:00] | Termina: | I will try that, thanks a lot :D |
| [00:24:03] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:29:35] | Termina: | Hm, I do that but under system status it only shows 1 tuner |
| [00:29:53] | Termina: | I have that tuner recording, and cannot watch tv even though the frontend has a free tuner |
| [00:30:53] | iamlindoro: | restart both backend |
| [00:30:54] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [00:31:16] | Termina: | sure |
| [00:31:18] | iamlindoro: | You will know you have done it right if it shows the slave backend connect in your master backend log |
| [00:31:25] | Termina: | yep, it showed that |
| [00:31:33] | iamlindoro: | something to the effect of "Adding whateverhostname as a slave backend |
| [00:31:40] | Termina: | adding: dvr as a client (events: 1) |
| [00:31:45] | Termina: | on master backend |
| [00:31:46] | clev: | what i tend to do, check the upcoming schedules |
| [00:31:51] | clev: | and try to cause conflicts |
| [00:32:04] | iamlindoro: | clev, It should still show both tuners in system status |
| [00:32:07] | clev: | to force it into planning to use both cards |
| [00:32:15] | clev: | that too, didnt think of it |
| [00:32:21] | iamlindoro: | The SBE is not working properly if you don't see all tuners across the system |
| [00:32:39] | iamlindoro: | Termina, of course, you need to have properly set up the card in mythtv-setup on the slave backend |
| [00:32:46] | iamlindoro: | and addatched it to a listings source |
| [00:32:50] | iamlindoro: | attached |
| [00:33:03] | clev: | when you change the mysql.txt you 'loose' all the settings you did before |
| [00:33:38] | clev: | so anything you did before then would have to be redone |
| [00:33:38] | clev: | (for just the system you changed it on) |
| [00:34:04] | Termina: | Ah, you are correct sir. I had to re-add that. Let's see how this works. :D |
| [00:34:22] | wagnerrp: | damned cable company re-ordered their digital transports |
| [00:34:32] | wagnerrp: | NBC and CBS got moved... elsewhere |
| [00:34:37] | wagnerrp: | i missed big bang theory |
| [00:34:39] | iamlindoro: | It's to keep you from watching Chuck |
| [00:34:57] | Termina: | hm... |
| [00:35:03] | Termina: | tuner 1 is recording, tuner 2 is unavailable |
| [00:35:04] | Termina: | xD |
| [00:35:15] | clev: | wagnerrp: how do they move the transports about without breaking the STB's then? |
| [00:35:18] | iamlindoro: | Termina, did you set up a storage group on the SBE? |
| [00:35:24] | iamlindoro: | It needs somewhere to record, too |
| [00:35:40] | wagnerrp: | clev: because the STBs get updated listings |
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| [00:35:46] | clev: | wagnerrp: could it rescan automaticaly or does it just get a proper listing of everything on some encrypted channel? |
| [00:35:46] | iamlindoro: | You need to do *all* setup steps on the SBE as well |
| [00:35:49] | wagnerrp: | they just roll out a firmware update |
| [00:35:53] | clev: | ahh |
| [00:36:12] | clev: | but if you wanted to, you could probly capture that update and tear it appart for the transports |
| [00:36:17] | clev: | assuming it wasnt encrypted |
| [00:36:42] | Termina: | YES!!! |
| [00:36:49] | wagnerrp: | assuming i knew when and where it was coming from to capture it |
| [00:36:49] | Termina: | Awesome, thanks |
| [00:36:51] | GreyFoxx: | channel/program guide info is sent to STB's via a proprietary stream, not included in what you can read with yourtuner |
| [00:36:55] | iamlindoro: | Termina, yw |
| [00:37:12] | GreyFoxx: | It's not just a matter of finding a TS and decrypting it :) |
| [00:37:15] | clev: | wagnerrp: you could posibly log all streams that arent in a 'black list' |
| [00:37:31] | Termina: | iamlindoro: you saved me several hours of frustration. tyvm |
| [00:37:33] | wagnerrp: | huh... now im getting signal on those lines |
| [00:37:34] | clev: | wagnerrp: simply blacklist all known channels and then youll get the ocasional data that you havent seen before |
| [00:37:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what happened |
| [00:37:43] | iamlindoro: | Termina, We've all been there, it was a bitch the first time I did it |
| [00:37:47] | wagnerrp: | i couldnt pick up a signal on NBC, or CBS |
| [00:37:52] | wagnerrp: | now theyre both coming in fine |
| [00:38:08] | Termina: | The first time I tried to set up a mythtv box, I plugged the cable into the FM. Was able to get to around channel 10 |
| [00:38:10] | Termina: | :P |
| [00:38:12] | clev: | i need to get a dvb type connection so i can play with this stuff |
| [00:38:29] | wagnerrp: | after a rescan anyway |
| [00:38:41] | clev: | can the hdhomerun pick up multiple streams within a transport? |
| [00:38:45] | clev: | (multi-rec) |
| [00:39:09] | GreyFoxx: | Supposedly the hardware can do it, but myth has no support for it |
| [00:39:25] | clev: | ahh, lack of support in the mythtv side of the protocol? |
| [00:39:56] | clev: | so it could be fixed if you just throw enouch programing hours at it, and knew what you where doing |
| [00:40:04] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [00:40:27] | andreax1: | greyfoxx: isnt it in in current svn in the way to define virtual tuners ? |
| [00:40:43] | clev: | GreyFoxx: do you think it would dump the whole transport, or remux the selected streams for you? |
| [00:41:13] | GreyFoxx: | andrea: last I was told, we needed to and specific support for it. but I don't have one to try it out myself |
| [00:41:14] | clev: | hmmm, its allready remuxing a single vid&audio set, so it could probly remux more if you knew how to ask |
| [00:41:45] | andreax1: | greyfoxx: i got 3 tuners (6 virtual cards)... |
| [00:41:49] | GreyFoxx: | It's likely just a matter of setting the pid filters on the unit, but like I said, I don't have one to try |
| [00:42:01] | GreyFoxx: | andrea: Yeah, for DVB cards, not the HDHOMERUN |
| [00:42:14] | andreax1: | aye, ok... :) |
| [00:42:24] | GreyFoxx: | I had mine set to 8 for the single card |
| [00:42:27] | clev: | GreyFoxx: where might i find more details on how it works internaly and at the network level, so i dont have to keep bugging you:P |
| [00:42:36] | GreyFoxx: | The code ?:) |
| [00:42:46] | clev: | mythtv source code for it? |
| [00:42:47] | GreyFoxx: | and from the hdhomerun fells who are very open. |
| [00:42:54] | clev: | ahh:) |
| [00:43:07] | GreyFoxx: | they want us to have multirec support for it |
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| [00:44:52] | iamlindoro: | There will probably be new clamoring once the DVB-T HDHomeRun arrives this month |
| [00:46:59] | dustybin: | h264 plays nice and smooth :) |
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| [00:47:45] | dustybin: | who cares about the financial crisis when you got mythtv :) |
| [00:47:45] | iamlindoro: | Oh yay, more fireside chat in another exciting episode of "Dustybin's Ghetto P4 Frontend." |
| [00:48:15] | jpabq: | Chuck and Life season premiers tonight. |
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| [00:48:55] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: well it took me a good few weeks learning stuff, like PXE netbooting etc, but i managed to get all what i learnt in the last 2 weeks done in about 5 hours |
| [00:49:34] | dustybin: | Linux mythtvfrontend 2.6.26-1–686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:46:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [00:49:46] | dustybin: | using the correct kernel this time |
| [00:50:15] | dustybin: | i am _NOT_ going to update the debian packages until lenny is _released_ |
| [00:50:38] | dustybin: | i might do the odd mythtv svn update, but only monthly |
| [00:51:09] | dustybin: | ive installed acpi, so my sister can just close it down using the power, im too scared to mess around with suspend to ram at the moment |
| [00:51:21] | iamlindoro: | I don't believe you'll only mess with it monthly for a *second* |
| [00:51:39] | dustybin: | there is not logical point of updating anything |
| [00:51:42] | dustybin: | *no |
| [00:51:54] | dustybin: | unless i find some bugs |
| [00:52:16] | dustybin: | im going to do a justinh :-) |
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| [00:53:40] | dustybin: | now i can rip all my dvds into mp4 files and create a nice library |
| [00:54:20] | dustybin: | but _BEFORE_ i do anything else, im going to make sure both my backend and front systems are nice and tidy |
| [00:54:26] | dustybin: | then do a _BACKUP_ |
| [00:55:31] | pat__: | if you're anything like me, do a backup before |
| [00:55:32] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: do you suspend to ram? |
| [00:55:36] | pat__: | then an incremental after |
| [00:55:42] | dustybin: | pat__: good idea |
| [00:55:58] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, On my frontend, yes |
| [00:56:22] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: how many watts does that frontend eat when its suspended |
| [00:56:23] | clev: | dustybin: root on lvm is nice for easy backups |
| [00:56:48] | clev: | dustybin: i was able to easily snapshot my root on a laptop when switching to a diff laptop for a week |
| [00:56:50] | dustybin: | clev: i wish my main system os was on lvm |
| [00:56:53] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, I doubt it would even be measurable, all it's doing is powering the RAM |
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| [00:57:01] | clev: | the plan was to use the snapshot to recover config files to fix things when i went back |
| [00:57:16] | clev: | but mounting via uuid broke my plan |
| [00:57:24] | clev: | i wound up doing the changes to the snapshot:P |
| [00:57:33] | clev: | leaving the original volume intact and old |
| [00:57:33] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: ram still takes a few watts |
| [00:57:43] | clev: | (got the backup/main backwards) |
| [00:57:44] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, You are just guessing |
| [00:57:45] | dustybin: | clev: very clever! |
| [00:58:02] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: ram gets pretty hot, so surely it must eat some watts |
| [00:58:09] | clev: | but now we know for next time |
| [00:58:14] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Not when all you are doing is maintaining the state |
| [00:58:18] | dustybin: | ok |
| [00:58:19] | clev: | dont use uuid with snapshots |
| [00:58:21] | iamlindoro: | You aren't reading and writing to it |
| [00:58:36] | clev: | iamlindoro: dram needs to be constantly refreshed |
| [00:58:51] | dustybin: | if one day i had my own big office block, i would hire clever to be my IT sysadmin |
| [00:58:55] | clev: | so it draws more power then sram, even when idle |
| [00:59:06] | iamlindoro: | clev, That's not the issue at hand |
| [00:59:26] | dustybin: | clev: i get the feeling you like electronics as well as computers? |
| [00:59:29] | clev: | iamlindoro: just pointing out that dram will continue to use the same power as normal |
| [00:59:29] | wagnerrp: | is there anything the cableco could have done to my signal to prevent my tuner from getting a lock? |
| [00:59:34] | clev: | dustybin: yep |
| [00:59:40] | wagnerrp: | because the channels seem to be back in the same place they were |
| [00:59:58] | clev: | wagnerrp: stop broadcasting ? |
| [01:00:14] | wagnerrp: | well... besides that |
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| [01:06:44] | dustybin: | i think its time for some jam + toast and a good old cup 'o tea :-) |
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| [01:07:51] | iamlindoro: | I would think it was more your bedtime |
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| [01:08:14] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: my brain is burnt out, dont feel tired yet |
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| [01:18:10] | timedroid: | How am I supposed to watch recordings? "Watch Recordings" just lists shows which I watched but didn't record and thus have no files |
| [01:18:38] | timedroid: | I see the correct list under "previous recordings", but it seems I can only delete, not play, from there |
| [01:18:38] | iamlindoro: | press M, change your filter from Live TV to Default |
| [01:19:53] | timedroid: | Thanks! |
| [01:19:56] | iamlindoro: | yup |
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| [01:20:53] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: ? |
| [01:22:28] | timedroid: | Any way to get it to automatically remove LiveTV recordings which have been deleted? |
| [01:22:41] | iamlindoro: | timedroid, myth already automatically removes them |
| [01:22:54] | iamlindoro: | all live TV is removed when space is needed or (by default) after 24 hours |
| [01:22:59] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: I can only help if you can be quicker and don't have something to run away to in a few minutes, unless you're done, then congratulations :) |
| [01:23:24] | iamlindoro: | live TV of only a few moments is expired right away, too |
| [01:24:35] | timedroid: | I was wondering about removing them from the list Watch recordings list, but I guess that's not that big of a deal. |
| [01:24:49] | iamlindoro: | timedroid, If you switched your filter properly, you should not see them |
| [01:25:01] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: ok here it goes, is the owner of lirc and myth config file for a remote controle supose to be root or user?, and need help with symlink it should be evdent6 but not working when i try to link |
| [01:25:06] | iamlindoro: | ie, to Default, as I told you, not "all." |
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| [01:26:31] | Gimmpy: | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/eventX) |
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| [01:26:45] | Gimmpy: | http://rafb.net/p/dJS3SA54.html |
| [01:26:49] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: owner doesn't make a difference, if the perms allow it will work |
| [01:26:56] | Gimmpy: | 10-local.rules file |
| [01:27:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | umm.. [ot]... but why the hell does restoring my minimized Firefox window minimize my Ksirc window and vise-versa??? wtf? |
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| [01:28:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | nvm... closing firefox and re-opening it fixed it... [but that was friggin' strange...] |
| [01:30:02] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: did u get my l0-local.rules post? |
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| [01:30:15] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yeah, is that exactly what you have? |
| [01:30:29] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: yes |
| [01:30:43] | Gimmpy: | you wanna see udev info for that device? |
| [01:31:24] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/eventX) |
| [01:31:49] | Gimmpy: | http://rafb.net/p/6BL1Rw71.html |
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| [01:32:59] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: so what did you use a template for that rule? |
| [01:34:08] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: what templete? i was sayin that using that when i unpluged and repuged the hid reciever the symlink isn't made |
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| [01:35:27] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: No I meant, where did you find a udev rule that looks like your one? |
| [01:36:23] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: oh, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini |
| [01:37:55] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yeah, I know the page, burned in my memory now, probably could even type the URL, your paste doesn't look like it (in the ways it should, good on the ways it shouldn't though) |
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| [01:39:45] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: that where i got that templete but udev only seems to give me ATTRS no SYSFS |
| [01:40:30] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yes, we covered that, the page is old, there is another difference though, think punctuation and number of lines |
| [01:41:30] | loudestnoise: | I'm having a really hard time getting my HVR-1600 working, especially getting it to even be recognized by my system. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| [01:41:32] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: "," , 1 line, i thaught you could do either , or line return |
| [01:42:40] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: I'll admit I don't play with udev daily but last I checked, no, single line (with continuation allowed) and to actually group matches, a comma. |
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| [01:43:53] | sloof3: | I'm the market for an ATSC PCI tuner. What's going to work the easiest? |
| [01:44:09] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: what i have now is 3 lines using == but can't think of what i could be missipg |
| [01:44:16] | Gimmpy: | *missing |
| [01:44:46] | loudestnoise: | sloof3: I was hoping the HVR-1600 was going to be |
| [01:44:49] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: commas and no returns... try it, the most you would lose is a little readability |
| [01:45:20] | loudestnoise: | sloof3: Unfortunately it's not so far |
| [01:45:56] | timedroid: | The HVR-1600 is working decently for QAM for me. |
| [01:46:18] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: using the v4l-dvb drivers? |
| [01:46:25] | timedroid: | Yeah |
| [01:46:29] | sloof3: | Seems most of the tuners listed here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards as "supported" all have showstoppers quirks. |
| [01:46:35] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: that made by symlipk but when i run irw i don't get any output |
| [01:47:30] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: to clairify i do get 0–9 but no other buttons |
| [01:47:32] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: I can't get the card to initialize on my system for some reason, I've followed the setup listed on the mythtv wiki for the page |
| [01:47:44] | timedroid: | It's doesn't seem to be picking up QAM64 and I can't get a lock anymore on a couple channels. Haven't tested with ATSC though. |
| [01:48:06] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: but you could get those before correct? |
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| [01:48:33] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, did you download the firmware and place it in the right directory? What about status messages in dmesg? |
| [01:48:39] | Gimmpy: | only by using xmodmap, |
| [01:49:13] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: I get nothing from dmesg, and yes I downloaded the firmware and have it in my appropriate kernel lib/firmware folder |
| [01:49:18] | timedroid: | I didn't realize MythTV only records a half hour on unknown recordings, I missed 15 minutes of Heroes :( |
| [01:50:18] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: ya I'm watching Heroes now, but I want to be recording it with my 1600 |
| [01:51:21] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, the compilation/installation and modprobe worked OK? And did I miss anything good in the 15 minutes after the half hour mark? |
| [01:52:11] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: You are certain you picked the event that sent data when you hit the button that page says? |
| [01:52:44] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: I got some errors on the make unload and no output when doing modprobe. Wasn't sure if that was normal. As for Heroes, you might have missed some of the story, you can't grab it on Hulu tomorrow :) |
| [01:53:03] | sloof3: | DVico cards are supposed to well built right? |
| [01:53:04] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: you can grab it i mean |
| [01:53:19] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: yes event6, fyi my /etc/lircd.conf contains only what the link says for configure lirc |
| [01:53:40] | sloof3: | I like the price point of the Dvico FusiohHDTV7 RT Gold but it seems to be not quite there yet with driver support. |
| [01:54:11] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: and if you are not running irw and hit the numbers keys, you see nothing? |
| [01:54:31] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, what error did you get on unload? And modprobe supposedly only outputs anything when something goes wrong, but you can try running it with -v for verbose output. |
| [01:55:19] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: yes if i am not running irw i can hit 0–9 and see the respective digit in consol |
| [01:55:25] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: ERROR: Module tda8290 does not exist in /proc/modules |
| [01:55:25] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, also, did you update your kernel since you installed it? Apparently it has to download and compile something specific for each kernel? |
| [01:55:25] | loudestnoise: | ERROR: Module tuner_types does not exist in /proc/modules |
| [01:55:44] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: haven't updated the kernel |
| [01:55:54] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yeah, which means the irw test is meaningless, lirc isn't writing to the console that is your hid device working |
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| [01:57:00] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: i tested both evenes before giving event6 the first time the other event(5) doen't respond to the snapstream button |
| [01:57:48] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: Also, ERROR: Module tuner_types is in use by tuner_simple |
| [01:57:49] | loudestnoise: | Do you think it is because I have another card, (the PVR-500) |
| [01:57:57] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: tried lircd -n [other options from that page that are applicable]? |
| [01:58:34] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: not since i got lirc working |
| [01:58:44] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: how is it working? |
| [01:59:09] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: ok well it doesn't crash when i run irw |
| [01:59:11] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, I don't know, might be. I only have this card. Did you have mythbackend running when you were trying to install the driver? |
| [01:59:42] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: I stopped mythbackend as the instructions recommended |
| [02:00:24] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: can you pastebin the results of "ps ax | grep lircd"? |
| [02:01:01] | timedroid: | I don't remember if I got any error messages or not, but that tuner_types is in use error sounds like it could be the problem. I'm not sure what unload is supposed to do. |
| [02:01:11] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: http://rafb.net/p/XkHJKr23.html |
| [02:02:16] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: makes me wonder what your /dev/lirc0 actually points to |
| [02:02:44] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if my cableco is having troubles, theres all sorts of noise in a digital recording |
| [02:02:44] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: if you stop lircd and actually do what the page says do things work? |
| [02:03:27] | loudestnoise: | timedroid: hmm, ya I'll have to figure out what is going on during the unload |
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| [02:04:40] | JoshBorke: | loudestnoise: i'm just curious, what kernel/distribution are you using? |
| [02:04:44] | wagnerrp: | 13.3mbps, seems high enough that they wouldnt be recompressing it |
| [02:04:45] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: no because if i stop lirc,... the page says to start lirc and then run irw |
| [02:05:16] | Termina: | Hm, my new backend apparently doesn't support nuv so my old recordings are not seen :/ |
| [02:05:19] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yes, I'm only advocating that you run it with the options on the page |
| [02:05:21] | Termina: | is there any way to fix that? |
| [02:05:27] | loudestnoise: | JoshBorke: Ubuntu, 2.6.22-15-generic |
| [02:06:33] | Anduin: | Termina: the problem isn't it not supporting nuvs |
| [02:07:00] | Termina: | What's the problem? |
| [02:07:03] | Termina: | :P |
| [02:07:16] | Anduin: | Termina: what did you do and why did you expect it to work? |
| [02:07:31] | Termina: | Two machines; slave backend and master backend (2 capture cards) |
| [02:07:36] | Termina: | slave is using nfs for recordings |
| [02:07:45] | Termina: | master has recordings on it, but was only recently set up |
| [02:07:46] | clev: | sounds very much like my setup |
| [02:08:01] | Termina: | master cannot see the files in the recordings folder; it's only seeing the mpgs |
| [02:08:10] | Termina: | well, I think |
| [02:08:16] | Termina: | for sure, it doesn't see the old recordings |
| [02:08:17] | clev: | try turning the master backend override on |
| [02:08:21] | Anduin: | Termina: Yeah, it is probably only seeing new stuff |
| [02:08:24] | Termina: | :( |
| [02:08:28] | dustybin: | clev: what do you make of this: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/bus . . . /default.stm |
| [02:08:31] | Termina: | override? |
| [02:08:40] | clev: | Termina: i think its in the frontend playback settings |
| [02:08:53] | clev: | Termina: normaly it will ask the system that recorded the show for the video steam |
| [02:08:58] | Anduin: | Termina: there are steps in the main mythtv docs for changing hosts, it isn't as easy as it should be |
| [02:09:00] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: i stoped lirc and started it manualy to run irw and got connection refused so no things don't work |
| [02:09:06] | clev: | Termina: turning that override on lets the master backend stream it, if it can find it |
| [02:09:17] | clev: | and all your drives are in the master, so it should allways find it |
| [02:09:19] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: pastebin how you started it |
| [02:09:47] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: sudo /dev/lircd |
| [02:09:58] | Termina: | I don't see it under playback :/ |
| [02:10:07] | clev: | Termina: its somewhere in the frontend settings |
| [02:10:09] | Termina: | k |
| [02:10:10] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: and how did you pass the options on that page? That was the whole point. |
| [02:10:18] | Termina: | frontend settings, but on the master backend? |
| [02:10:24] | clev: | Termina: on any system |
| [02:10:41] | Termina: | ah, alright. thanks :) |
| [02:10:43] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention you can't execute a dev node... |
| [02:10:44] | clev: | dustybin: looks like random stock quotes |
| [02:10:56] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I just assume typos |
| [02:11:04] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, good assumption ;) |
| [02:11:06] | iamlindoro: | Well... mostly |
| [02:11:23] | iamlindoro: | It's important not to underestimate the human capacity for... silliness. |
| [02:11:58] | Anduin: | and master backend override is there for when slaves aren't alive but the files really are there, it is probably recorded table name mismatch or settings table IPs like it always is. |
| [02:12:19] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: ok i must be missing somthing because i only see if you havdnt got lirc get it start it , run irw, you should get , run irw and buttons should ouput command firefly-mini |
| [02:12:25] | wagnerrp: | why would someone compress 2-channel audio at 384kbps |
| [02:12:28] | wagnerrp: | seems overkill |
| [02:12:33] | clev: | Anduin: yes, but if all the drives are psysicaly in the master, then that option will help for problems later on also |
| [02:12:53] | clev: | and i cant find it anymore |
| [02:13:02] | Anduin: | clev: Yeah, just saying actually fixing it would work too :) |
| [02:13:45] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: the bit where the writer says "--driver=dev/input" |
| [02:14:25] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: i took that line verbatum and pasted it |
| [02:15:25] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: i pasted that line verbatum into /etc/init.d/lircd |
| [02:16:23] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: Yeah, that may not mean much, I don't Gentoo but location is always important for those things, and there is almost always a better way to get the options in there. |
| [02:16:36] | timedroid: | loudestnoise, BTW, make unload runs "scripts/rmmod.pl unload" |
| [02:16:55] | Anduin: | Gimmpy: I'm trying to get you to ignore that bit and verify that when you figure out the right way it will work |
| [02:18:46] | Termina: | nope, master backend override is already checked :/ |
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| [02:20:12] | Anduin: | Termina: Do they not play? Or do they not show in watch recordings (after eliminating filter problems)? |
| [02:20:19] | Termina: | they don't show up in the list |
| [02:20:25] | Termina: | watch recordings, rather |
| [02:21:15] | Anduin: | Termina: You have a single MySQL database right? |
| [02:21:19] | Termina: | yes |
| [02:21:35] | Termina: | I had one before this one, however |
| [02:21:36] | Gimmpy: | Anduin: ok, thanks |
| [02:21:46] | Termina: | is there a way to have it re-generate the files in recordings? |
| [02:21:47] | Anduin: | Termina: did you import the old data? |
| [02:21:57] | Termina: | nope, what table should I dump? |
| [02:22:01] | Anduin: | Termina: yes, better from backups though |
| [02:22:09] | Termina: | yeah, it's backed up |
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| [02:25:23] | Anduin: | Termina: ideally all, easier to clean cruft out that pick the good bits, recorded is the big one, recordedseek and others are also important but less so |
| [02:26:01] | Termina: | Hm, that makes me sad. xD |
| [02:26:28] | Termina: | Why does mythtv use mysql for things like that; is it faster than just grabbing the information from the filesystem? |
| [02:26:36] | Anduin: | Termina: you can also bring over oldrecorded and run one of the contrib scripts |
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| [02:28:03] | AngryElf: | where can I get more info on the "security pin" in mythtvbackend? |
| [02:28:09] | iamlindoro: | Termina, Because Myth presents you with more than just the filenames in Watch Recordings.... ie all the metainfo |
| [02:28:32] | clev: | AngryElf: mythtv-setup, general |
| [02:28:40] | Anduin: | Termina: like most things there are pros and cons, if everything were on the fs people would complain that it wasn't in a RDBMS |
| [02:28:50] | Termina: | Ah :P |
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| [02:29:07] | clev: | Anduin: being in mysql is great, i can write up complex querys to do allmost anything with the info |
| [02:29:25] | clev: | no need to modify the source code to get special listing views |
| [02:29:50] | clev: | and writing a line of sql to search for a program in a table is way faster then using mythfrontend or mythweb |
| [02:30:29] | clev: | the only problem is that the status codes dont allways make sense, but i can use the starttime field to find it in the guide much faster and just see what mythtv thinks of the status codes |
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| [02:30:50] | Termina: | Exactly. Writing mysql recursive queries is so easy; everyone should do it! |
| [02:30:51] | Termina: | ;) |
| [02:31:11] | clev: | i allready knew alot of mysql before i got into mythtv |
| [02:31:27] | Termina: | ^_^ |
| [02:31:28] | dustybin: | clev: its also a good way to render mythconverg useless.. |
| [02:31:54] | clev: | dustybin: select querys cant damage anything, and if i wanted to be noob proof, i could make a 2nd mysql username with read only access to mythconverg |
| [02:31:59] | clev: | so it would be imposible to damage it |
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| [02:32:17] | Termina: | SELECT IS A DESTRUCTIVE SORTING ALGORITHM |
| [02:32:18] | dustybin: | clev: rename your nick to 'clever' |
| [02:32:53] | clev: | Termina: yes, using order by on a 3gig table can clog the system and cause problems with other users |
| [02:33:01] | clev: | but mythtv doesnt have many 3gig tables |
| [02:33:08] | Termina: | Mine is 1TB. :( |
| [02:33:16] | Termina: | <.< |
| [02:33:17] | Termina: | I lied |
| [02:33:18] | iamlindoro: | uhhhh whatnow? |
| [02:33:21] | clev: | id need to do something stupid like join program against program to get millions of results |
| [02:33:53] | Termina: | How does one do different types of sorting in mysql? |
| [02:34:01] | Termina: | Like, can you choose between quicksort and merge sort? |
| [02:34:04] | clev: | then i could atleast clog it down with io wait and block writing to program, though that isnt writen to very often |
| [02:34:19] | clev: | i never realy got into that part |
| [02:34:29] | clev: | i just throw a few columns at order by and it 'works' |
| [02:34:44] | dustybin: | clev: does your brain work fast? |
| [02:34:56] | clev: | sometimes ive seen it copy everything to a deleted table under /tmp/ |
| [02:34:56] | Termina: | Know what helps? Speed. |
| [02:35:01] | clev: | which has sometimes inflated to several gig |
| [02:35:11] | iamlindoro: | Smoked or snorted? |
| [02:35:27] | ** dustybin passed clev the crack pipe ** | |
| [02:35:42] | Termina: | Bah, pills are easier. You can steal them from school children |
| [02:35:52] | Termina: | Look for the tweaked out ADD kid |
| [02:35:52] | ** clev whacks dustybin over the head with a laptop ** | |
| [02:35:53] | Termina: | :P |
| [02:36:34] | dustybin: | B=D <-- clev B======D <-- me |
| [02:37:01] | iamlindoro: | I note that you've placed clever behind you |
| [02:37:09] | iamlindoro: | Paging Doctor Freud... |
| [02:37:28] | AngryElf: | anyone use this MyMote app for the iphone? |
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| [02:38:00] | AngryElf: | it keeps giving me a remote connection error when trying to connect to the frontend — I entered "0000" for my security pin so supposidly any client should be able to connect |
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| [02:39:14] | Termina: | lol @ iphone |
| [02:39:37] | clev: | AngryElf: try changing it to 1234 |
| [02:40:07] | iamlindoro: | That's the same combination I've got on my luggage |
| [02:40:13] | Termina: | me too! |
| [02:42:57] | AngryElf: | clev: shrug, started working randomly |
| [02:43:01] | AngryElf: | pretty cool |
| [02:43:42] | timedroid: | Anyone have any suggestions on eliminating screen tearing during video playback with an Intel integrated graphics card? |
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| [02:45:21] | Termina: | timedroid: screen tearing? |
| [02:45:29] | Termina: | have you tried the framedrop mplayer config option? |
| [02:45:30] | Anduin: | timedroid: is it actual tearing? |
| [02:46:10] | iamlindoro: | Termina, Myth isn't mplayer |
| [02:46:21] | iamlindoro: | ie, we have our own internal player |
| [02:46:24] | Termina: | it's the default video player, atleast for mine |
| [02:46:36] | iamlindoro: | Not for TV it's not |
| [02:46:36] | Termina: | oh, for tv vs videos <.< |
| [02:46:50] | Termina: | wait, why not just use mplayer? It's very nice :) |
| [02:46:53] | Anduin: | only for portions of MythVideo (portions, really) |
| [02:47:01] | iamlindoro: | and in Videos, while mplayer is technically referenced, it's not actually used unless the user takes specific steps to activate it |
| [02:47:07] | timedroid: | I don't think it's a CPU issue as it looks to be doing it in SD videos as well. |
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| [02:48:19] | Anduin: | timedroid: if it is tearing you should check which vsync mechanism is being used, if it isn't tearing you should look at deinterlacer settings |
| [02:49:25] | Anduin: | (and if you don't want to check, try with OpenGL vsync enabled if you can and without) |
| [02:50:01] | timedroid: | I've tried the OpenGL thing, it crashes MythTV. |
| [02:50:45] | timedroid: | I'm not sure on how to tell the difference between tearing and a de-interlacing artifact. It is just one line that it happens at. |
| [02:55:48] | Anduin: | timedroid: It is easy to change/disable them with the playback profiles section in settings |
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| [03:01:18] | timedroid: | Looks like it's actual tearing as it occurs even when I use one field. The video timing method is DRM? |
| [03:08:22] | Anduin: | timedroid: Yeah, you can't actually test others, they are tried with the best first with DRM > OpenGL > RTC > busy wait |
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| [03:10:26] | Anduin: | timedroid: Xorg 1.5? |
| [03:11:15] | timedroid: | 1.7 |
| [03:12:10] | Anduin: | timedroid: glxgears look ok? |
| [03:13:18] | Anduin: | (based entirely on google results, I don't actually know they use the same DRI interface) |
| [03:13:27] | timedroid: | It looks ok, problem with moving it though (don't know if that's normal?) |
| [03:13:36] | wagnerrp: | shit, Life started back up today too |
| [03:14:02] | Anduin: | timedroid: did you build MythTV from source? |
| [03:14:12] | timedroid: | Ubuntu package. |
| [03:14:59] | Anduin: | timedroid: Yeah, a good thing, just can't have you comment out something in vsync.cpp |
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| [03:20:12] | timedroid: | My graphics driver apparently has triple buffering off by default, I'm going to try that. |
| [03:22:44] | Anduin: | may try driconf (I don't use DRM sync and have no real understanding of the DRI interface stuff) |
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| [05:50:37] | Wicked: | so tomorrow i think im gonna go into the comcast service center and try and get a box with firewire. now earlier i was told to ask for a hd box...that would be a few more bucks a month...but we do not have HDTV...will they still give me a hd box? |
| [05:51:07] | Wicked: | or to get the hd box would we need to buy a subscription to there HDTV |
| [06:00:26] | wagnerrp: | they have to provide an option for firewire, although i dont know if thats at no additional cost |
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| [06:17:12] | Wicked: | ah. i just didnt know if they would see i asked for a box with firewire...and it would be a hd box...and they would see i didnt have hdtv..and refuse to give it. |
| [06:17:28] | Wicked: | but ill just explain that i need one with a firewire port on it. |
| [06:17:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont even have digital cable, but they still have to give me access to the local channels |
| [06:18:02] | wagnerrp: | local HD channels (through QAM) |
| [06:18:35] | Wicked: | right. |
| [06:18:53] | Wicked: | i just dont want to look like a idiot when i go there lol |
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| [07:06:55] | Jared555: | hey, anyone here know about IR distribution (moreso than just computer -> IR blaster) |
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| [10:35:06] | justinh: | Jared555: you can go about distributing IR several different ways. RF, cabled (miniplug connected IR blaster-type stuff), cabled over coax (e.g. for extending STBs to other rooms).... |
| [10:35:44] | justinh: | even wirelessly these days |
| [10:36:52] | quicksilver: | wireless infrared. who'd have thought it :) |
| [10:37:49] | directhex: | IR-over-carrier-pigeon |
| [10:38:50] | justinh: | 2.4ghz wireless though.. icky |
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| [10:52:12] | justinh: | or you could use mirrors :P |
| [10:55:47] | quicksilver: | or slaves |
| [10:55:52] | quicksilver: | (to carry the remote controls around) |
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| [11:47:25] | fryfrog: | i won't give up my wired infra red, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead fingers! |
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| [12:06:55] | gbee: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a131466 . . . val.html?rss |
| [12:14:18] | jduggan: | gbee ! |
| [12:14:36] | jduggan: | gbee: OT i know, but dont suppose you've managed to build any kernel modules on ur AA1? |
| [12:15:03] | jduggan: | the kernel sources im getting all seem to be fedoras and not acers, i cant build a module i want ;o |
| [12:15:21] | laga: | refer acer to the GPL |
| [12:15:37] | laga: | i wonder why companies find it so hard to ship GPL'ed sources |
| [12:16:56] | directhex: | because gpl == public domain, to corps |
| [12:17:25] | justinh: | might as well sell our tellies |
| [12:18:24] | directhex: | jduggan, //guest@csdftp.acer.com.tw/Aspire_One_Linpus_Linux/Aspire_One_Source/linux-2.6.23.9lw.zip" rel="nofollow">ftp://guest@csdftp.acer.com.tw/Aspire_One_Lin . . . 6.23.9lw.zip |
| [12:18:35] | directhex: | that's the beastie |
| [12:18:57] | gbee: | ^^ |
| [12:19:30] | directhex: | srpms et al are also up there |
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| [12:19:59] | directhex: | remember, yum is just a byproduct of the fedora base of the thing – it's not the tool you should formally be using to get things like source |
| [12:20:14] | gbee: | justinh: the idea that Sky gets kicked out the Freeview consortium in return means I'd willing to pay the price of a couple of channels being lost |
| [12:20:16] | ** laga cries ** | |
| [12:20:40] | laga: | directhex: "oh, we have package management, let's not use it properly when we add our stuff" |
| [12:20:50] | gbee: | though it's hard not to imagine that Sky saw that coming and they are pretty crafty so I have my doubts |
| [12:20:52] | directhex: | laga, correct |
| [12:21:06] | directhex: | laga, that's how most 'non-mainstream' distros work |
| [12:23:31] | justinh: | gbee: Sky 3, Sky Sports 'News' and Sky Opinion :P |
| [12:23:41] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind saying byebye to them either |
| [12:25:31] | gbee: | I've found a couple of things on Sky 3 in the last couple of years and there is always the hope that some series will eventually end up there two/three years after they air on Sky One – but I wouldn't really miss it |
| [12:25:52] | gbee: | ultimately I think Sky would be shooting themselves in the foot with Picnic |
| [12:26:16] | gbee: | it's just going to alienate people |
| [12:28:30] | directhex: | being forced to sell access to "premium" channels though, that could be interesting |
| [12:28:50] | justinh: | I think it'll cause more confusion than there already is among Joe Public |
| [12:28:52] | directhex: | of course, the sun will be a burnt out husk before bskyb license NDS to other vendors |
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| [12:34:09] | jduggan: | directhex: erm, how the fuck did you find that? google? i was looking for their source :( |
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| [12:34:48] | directhex: | jduggan, simply put: i am an international sexpot. minor things like finding source just happens to me in my sleep |
| [12:35:17] | directhex: | also, footnote 14 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspire_One#Source_code |
| [12:35:22] | laga: | did you mean sixpod? |
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| [12:38:30] | jduggan: | directhex: aha |
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| [12:39:57] | raceme: | is there a way with mythweb to create a custom recording with a title search (that works) on a specific channel (or excluding a specific channel) ? |
| [12:41:19] | jduggan: | directhex: you got an AA1? |
| [12:41:46] | directhex: | jduggan, the wife does. |
| [12:41:51] | jduggan: | directhex: ah |
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| [12:50:25] | jduggan: | need to build prolific usbserial driver |
| [12:50:30] | jduggan: | not built as module |
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| [13:08:17] | justinh: | raceme: yes there is |
| [13:08:37] | justinh: | thing is you have to be quite adept at the query stuff |
| [13:08:59] | raceme: | justinh: do you have a clue ? |
| [13:09:07] | laga: | no, he doesn't |
| [13:09:09] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [13:09:47] | raceme: | justinh: in fact there is a show which is broadcasted on a free channel and a restricted one. And I only want to record those of the free channel |
| [13:11:27] | Dibblah: | Meh. Nuts. I can't be bothered with futzing around trying to fix this damn TV any more. |
| [13:11:41] | Dibblah: | £288 for a new one from ebuyer. |
| [13:11:56] | justinh: | raceme: needs to use the power search |
| [13:12:21] | dustybin: | my mum, dad and me are all downstairs watching tv via mythtv frontend :-) |
| [13:12:23] | Dibblah: | (Backlight fault – starts pulsing on / off after about 1 1/2 hours use. |
| [13:12:26] | justinh: | or just set the show to record at any time on that channel & cope with the extra showings it picks up |
| [13:13:10] | laga: | Dibblah: try a new inverter? |
| [13:13:37] | Dibblah: | It appears to be the backlight itsself. And at 26", noone seems to sell them. |
| [13:13:55] | Dibblah: | I find it odd that there's only a single tube in the thing. |
| [13:14:14] | laga: | odd. contact some local repair shop? |
| [13:14:33] | Dibblah: | Really – Not worth it. |
| [13:14:39] | Dibblah: | They only replace panels these days. |
| [13:14:52] | justinh: | ppff. power searchin doesn't seem to be documented |
| [13:15:55] | laga: | Dibblah: http://www.tiron-shop.de/index.php?cat=c3_CCF . . . d818e72648a2 |
| [13:16:08] | laga: | Dibblah: german shop, but you can probably find your way around |
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| [13:18:05] | justinh: | I'd prolly use more power search rules if I knew how they worked |
| [13:18:11] | gbee: | raceme: "Record at any time on channel XXXXX", or if it's a one-off – "Record only this showing"? Neither of those work for you? |
| [13:19:27] | justinh: | ffs... why do we still ahve to construct the query like this? "channel.callsign LIKE "COMED%" AND program.category = "Special"" |
| [13:19:54] | laga: | justinh: because you haven't sent a patch yet ;) it's a power search after all |
| [13:19:55] | dustybin: | if my pxe netboot debian system doesnt shut down properly, ie a powercut etc, when it reboots it loses the local loopback interface, for a workaround, could i put 'ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1' somewhere everytime the machine boots? if so, where? |
| [13:20:06] | justinh: | laga: touche |
| [13:20:21] | justinh: | that needs friendly-ing up |
| [13:21:13] | justinh: | would it be so hard to have a series of dropdown menus with table names & column names & text entry boxes? ;) |
| [13:21:34] | laga: | end up like the playback profile screen? |
| [13:21:34] | justinh: | certainly be better in terms of use with a remote :) |
| [13:21:39] | justinh: | put that on ma list |
| [13:21:51] | justinh: | that'd be better than having to enter the fucking query all by yourself |
| [13:22:03] | raceme: | gbee: the record at any time is available when i click on an episode in the tv guide... the problem is that the title contains the show (for exemple "ncis" and the episode title)... i think it will not record all ncis episodes |
| [13:22:15] | justinh: | I mean why stop there? make your own PVR in perl? :P |
| [13:22:29] | gbee: | raceme: ahh |
| [13:23:03] | gbee: | might want to speak to your xmltv author about fixups |
| [13:23:38] | gbee: | or complain to SD if you are using SD, or write a fixup patch if it's EIT |
| [13:23:46] | justinh: | raceme: so judging by the doc I found in the wiki (via google, not the wiki's own impotent search) you'd need something like channel.name="CHANNEL" AND program.title LIKE "%ncis%" |
| [13:23:54] | raceme: | gbee: it's tv_grab_fr as EIT sucks in france |
| [13:23:56] | gbee: | move those episode names to the subtitle |
| [13:24:33] | gbee: | raceme: in the UK and US at least those situations are fixed in the grabber or when grabbing EIT |
| [13:25:02] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Custom_Recording |
| [13:25:10] | raceme: | justinh: how and where do i add sql statments ? in mythweb sources ? |
| [13:25:17] | justinh: | no |
| [13:26:12] | Dibblah: | laga: Thanks – Interesting, but shipping would be unlikely :( |
| [13:26:19] | Dibblah: | 600mm long tube... |
| [13:26:34] | justinh: | raceme: go into the custom record rule setup page in mythweb |
| [13:26:59] | justinh: | then select 'power search' – and (I think) – in the 'search phrase' field enter your query |
| [13:27:20] | justinh: | e.g. channel.name="BBC1" AND program.title LIKE "%news%" |
| [13:27:27] | raceme: | justinh: thanks i'll look when i have less work :) |
| [13:27:36] | justinh: | I'm trying it out now |
| [13:28:02] | justinh: | well, that doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| [13:28:05] | Dibblah: | Doesn't that only allow canned searches? |
| [13:28:11] | Dibblah: | ... Security issues... |
| [13:28:23] | laga: | Dibblah: it just breaks my heart that you're throwing away a perfectly good tv ;) |
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| [13:28:34] | Dibblah: | Throwing it away? |
| [13:28:48] | raceme: | gbee: perhaps I should read again the wiki but is mythtv able to use tv_grab for longterm and correct daily things with EIT ? (the problem in France is that EIT is less than 24h) |
| [13:28:51] | Dibblah: | No, I'm replacing it so I can _properly_ put it on the workbench :) |
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| [13:28:58] | laga: | ah ;) |
| [13:30:14] | justinh: | ffs thast wiki page is as clear as mud |
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| [13:30:35] | justinh: | like using bloody calculus to explain a simple sum |
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| [13:32:58] | justinh: | unerstatnding power searches from the mythfrontend UI & the official docs .. check. could be more friendly but it all makes sense. But this in mythweb is like a big ???????????? |
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| [13:36:25] | gbee: | raceme: you can use both, but it doesn't work too well if xmltv and EIT disagree slightly on the name of a programme – you lose recordings because you've scheduled "ABC" and eit calls it "ABC!" |
| [13:37:03] | RDV_Linux: | Does anyone have MythTV SVN working with the new beta AC3 enabled HD-PVR. I understand that right now you need to "disable the firmware version check" on the linux hdpvr driver. If you have things working please share how to "disable the firmware version check". Thanks. |
| [13:37:10] | gbee: | we'd like to improve it so that you can mix the two more easily, but that might not happen for a while |
| [13:37:34] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: #hdpvr |
| [13:38:06] | raceme: | gbee: ok so i should avoid that... thanks |
| [13:38:09] | gbee: | don't have to ask there, but you'll find people who should know |
| [13:39:46] | RDV_Linux: | gbee: Thanks am also on #hdpvr but do not want to bother the hdpvr driver developer as I am sure he is working on updating the driver. |
| [13:40:36] | gbee: | janneg? he won't mind |
| [13:40:39] | gbee: | probably |
| [13:40:41] | laga: | haha |
| [13:42:38] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: look at /sys/modules/{hdpvr_driver}/parameters/ |
| [13:43:22] | gbee: | /sys/module/{hdpvr_driver}/parameters/ |
| [13:43:49] | RDV_Linux: | gbee: Thanks will do:) |
| [13:44:05] | gbee: | probably a file there called something like "versioncheck" (just guessing) |
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| [13:44:42] | justinh: | so, seems I have to peek into mythweb's code to find out how this is meant to work. yay :-\ |
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| [13:45:20] | gbee: | actually maybe "modinfo {driver}" would be easier |
| [13:46:10] | gbee: | will list parameters that the driver accepts – then "modprobe {driver} someparam=somevalue" |
| [13:46:18] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [13:46:42] | laga: | wee, got mythtv trunk up and running in virtualbox |
| [13:46:48] | laga: | was pretty painless |
| [13:47:09] | justinh: | handy. the source has a link to a mailing list thread which explains it |
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| [13:47:21] | laga: | wee, segfault in mythgallery. i think that's a known problem though |
| [13:47:29] | laga: | if you have no pictures and hit ESC |
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| [13:48:38] | directhex: | what an unlikely scenario |
| [13:48:47] | gbee: | laga: new to me? |
| [13:49:00] | laga: | gbee: oh. |
| [13:50:23] | laga: | i'll get a backtrace then |
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| [13:53:15] | RDV_Linux: | gbee: Thanks for the help. Unfortunately I found the parameter directory but not something associated with the firmware check. Also modinfo did not reveal anything that directly identifies a firmware check. The closest maybe the debugging switch. |
| [13:53:41] | gbee: | ahh well |
| [13:53:52] | gbee: | janneg: hey, ^^ ;) |
| [13:54:21] | justinh: | duh. seems the custom rule I made just wasn't returning any results. BUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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| [13:59:08] | justinh: | strange that channel.name like "%BBC%" AND program.title like "%news%" didn't have any results though |
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| [14:05:35] | janneg: | RDV_Linux: yes, it requires a driver source modification |
| [14:05:40] | justinh: | heh just took a while for the scheduler to catch on |
| [14:06:03] | RDV_Linux: | Janneg: Thanks again. |
| [14:06:28] | justinh: | not long now – yet another leaving presentation at work |
| [14:09:27] | laga: | gbee: the "rip dvd" screen looks a bit better now |
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| [14:26:37] | Slegge: | hey folks |
| [14:28:56] | Slegge: | i have some questions about EIT language if anyone's awake ;) |
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| [15:10:56] | justinh: | I have some questions too, but I klnow that nobody can answer question that has yet to be asked :P |
| [15:17:40] | dustybin: | justinh: am i still on your ignore list :P |
| [15:18:09] | dustybin: | ...ill take that as a yes |
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| [15:20:22] | raceme: | justinh: it works ! I selected power search and entered my sql request as said in the page you mentionned. thanks ! |
| [15:21:13] | justinh: | raceme: cool. It was about time I found out how those worked :P |
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| [15:24:59] | raceme: | justinh: I use 'channel.callsign LIKE "M6%" and program.title like "%Desperate Housewives%"' as search phrase and this make mythtv records show on M6 channel and forget those on Canal+ (which are crypted) |
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| [15:26:52] | justinh: | anyway, why not just delete Canal+ ? or hide it? |
| [15:27:28] | raceme: | justinh: because sometimes it is not crypted |
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| [15:29:31] | justinh: | heh. weird |
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| [15:30:03] | directhex: | justinh, it IS weird. it's an occasionally crypted channel |
| [15:30:34] | ** iamlindoro wonders what a mausoleum has to do with anything ** | |
| [15:31:20] | justinh: | maybe sass kengee is crashy or something |
| [15:31:34] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [15:32:18] | iamlindoro: | As everyone in Japan knows, you don't sass Kenji. |
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| [15:36:40] | gbee: | DMX 2+ is occassionally unencrypted, pretty annoying actually since scanning at the wrong time adds it to the lineup and then you get failed recordings of NYPD blue :) |
| [15:41:08] | justinh: | blech |
| [15:41:46] | justinh: | reminds me I need to look at some of my channel numbers |
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| [15:42:47] | justinh: | like how the heck... ? "16096 | SETANTA SPORTS" |
| [15:43:30] | gbee: | heh, I noticed an odd one the other night – up around 15000 |
| [15:43:55] | justinh: | are those allegedly pulled from the LCN ? |
| [15:44:01] | justinh: | or just some arbitrary number? |
| [15:44:17] | gbee: | | 15840 | GEMSTV1 | |
| [15:44:54] | justinh: | ah. they're chanid where there's no LCN |
| [15:45:05] | justinh: | or presumably where myth couldn't detect the LCN |
| [15:45:10] | gbee: | no idea where they came from, normally from the LCN but whether these came from the LCN or the LCN was empty so it 'made up' the number ... |
| [15:45:25] | gbee: | justinh: serviceid? |
| [15:45:37] | justinh: | nope. same as chanid |
| [15:45:37] | gbee: | yeah, it's serviceid |
| [15:45:56] | gbee: | | 15840 | GEMSTV1 | 15840 | 16840 | |
| [15:46:07] | gbee: | that's channum, name, serviceid, chanid |
| [15:46:28] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:47:02] | justinh: | that most essential of channels :D |
| [15:47:11] | gbee: | just deleted it |
| [15:47:20] | directhex: | i got that a lot on last scan |
| [15:47:23] | directhex: | i assumed reception issues |
| [15:47:43] | gbee: | figured it was a glitch since I'm still getting – | 43 | Gems TV | 27200 | 1736 | |
| [15:47:52] | gbee: | which looks like the correct one |
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| [15:49:10] | justinh: | I'm not really bothered. I record shows, not channels |
| [15:49:32] | justinh: | I was just intruiged as to why the numbers were so daft |
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| [15:51:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh, As I understand it, you guys get The Daily Show a day later, yeah? Tonight's will be worth watching. |
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| [15:52:47] | justinh: | if I get a chance yeah I'll watch it. if not it'll be expired tomorrow |
| [15:53:12] | ** directhex watched the debate! ** | |
| [15:54:17] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Thursday VP debate, mmmmmmmmm |
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| [15:57:37] | justinh: | iamlindoro: if my 'debate' you mean naked mud-wrestling... |
| [15:57:39] | justinh: | *by |
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| [15:58:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro: we get a special, edited "international version", not sure how it compares to the original |
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| [15:58:23] | gbee: | 15 minutes long |
| [15:58:31] | justinh: | gbee: I think More4 seem to vary the version shown |
| [15:58:36] | gbee: | actually, that used to be the case – I've not watched it in a while |
| [15:58:41] | iamlindoro: | gbee, whaaaaa? 15 minutes?? |
| [15:58:43] | hashbang: | gbee: More4's one is 30 mins less the ad breaks |
| [15:59:03] | justinh: | 26 mins total |
| [15:59:05] | hashbang: | gbee: friday is usually an international edit of the weeks' worth of shows |
| [15:59:07] | gbee: | err, yeah sorry – misread |
| [15:59:09] | iamlindoro: | Wow |
| [15:59:23] | justinh: | how lng is it actually? |
| [15:59:26] | hashbang: | or is it Monday's... |
| [15:59:38] | iamlindoro: | Presidential debate was 90 minutes, same for the VP debate AFAIK |
| [15:59:41] | gbee: | 30minutes including the ads |
| [15:59:47] | iamlindoro: | 2 hour timeslot |
| [16:00:00] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [16:00:07] | justinh: | no, how long is the native Daily Show? |
| [16:00:21] | iamlindoro: | ohh, 22 Mins |
| [16:00:28] | iamlindoro: | 30 before commercial cut |
| [16:00:33] | iamlindoro: | My mistake |
| [16:00:40] | justinh: | 8 mins of ads? christ |
| [16:01:24] | justinh: | you can really tel's an NTSC source too :( |
| [16:01:34] | gbee: | won't record tonight – Heroes |
| [16:01:41] | iamlindoro: | I'm hoping they'll take the channel HD in the next few years |
| [16:02:31] | justinh: | I thought Heroes was tomorrow night |
| [16:02:33] | gbee: | nope, mis-reading again |
| [16:02:44] | gbee: | justinh: need my eyesight checked |
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| [16:03:36] | gbee: | ahh, ok ... not recording because it was "Previously Recorded" |
| [16:03:42] | justinh: | not bad for us – only 3 weeks behind the USA |
| [16:03:43] | gbee: | stoopid |
| [16:04:19] | justinh: | I watched the 'countdown to heroes' show. OMFG what a load of complete yee-haw dross |
| [16:04:34] | iamlindoro: | Heroes has actually managed to not outright suck so far this season |
| [16:04:37] | justinh: | rent-a-crowd |
| [16:04:40] | iamlindoro: | But I'm on full time suck watch |
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| [16:04:59] | justinh: | I didn't feel robbed by series two if I'm honest |
| [16:05:17] | justinh: | I heard so many bad things about it I'd expected it to be awful & was surprised |
| [16:05:21] | iamlindoro: | They've dropped many of the totally useless characters this season, that's helpful |
| [16:05:27] | justinh: | Mya? |
| [16:05:47] | iamlindoro: | No, she's still there, but no more flying kid or learns-from-ipod chick or obnoxious child |
| [16:06:10] | justinh: | need moar adam :D |
| [16:06:19] | iamlindoro: | oh, and none of him so far |
| [16:06:52] | gbee: | I don't exactly get the feeling that the story is going anywhere, yet we're told it is ... that much was wrong about the second series, not connected enough to the first and didn't leave me with the feeling that there is really a well thought out over-arching story |
| [16:07:15] | ** justinh deletes 'Back To You' which has mysteriously crept back in ** | |
| [16:07:34] | justinh: | gbee: nobody forsaw the strike ;) |
| [16:08:33] | gbee: | justinh: sure, just summing up my view on what it was, rather than what it was meant to be |
| [16:09:02] | justinh: | Ironic thing about Kelsey Grammer.. he was the 'star' of Frasier who never was.. it was the supporting cast who made it what it was – not him |
| [16:09:40] | justinh: | I have absolutely NO high expectations of the next season of '24' though. none at all |
| [16:09:48] | gbee: | I've also developed a dislike of any ongoing series that sets a particular theme for each series which is then neatly resolved on the last episode |
| [16:10:14] | justinh: | pity Invasion was never taken up for a 2nd series. |
| [16:10:37] | gbee: | which one of the two was that? Dinosaurs or Aliens? |
| [16:10:50] | justinh: | I don't think it was ever revealed |
| [16:11:33] | gbee: | nah, I mean there were two very similarly themed series shown at the same time – one had cute cuddly dinosaur creatures and the other was a lot darker |
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| [16:11:56] | gbee: | but both were set around a mysterious 'invasion' of creatures living in the water |
| [16:12:36] | gbee: | one completely sucked – Disney stuff, the other was far better |
| [16:12:48] | justinh: | ah. Invasion was the latter |
| [16:13:33] | gbee: | right, yeah, shame that it wasn't given a chance to resolve |
| [16:13:43] | justinh: | half a series sitting there willing stuff to happen, then the other half the series willing it to be taken to series 2 |
| [16:14:02] | justinh: | damn network mnkeys |
| [16:14:05] | wagnerrp: | learn... from... ipod? |
| [16:14:33] | justinh: | and then you get dirge like Ugly Betty (not funny, not heart-warming or anything) rolled out & for what? |
| [16:15:04] | gbee: | think the Disney type one did get a second series, but I never watched more than 3 episodes, two of those were out of boredom and from the middle/end |
| [16:15:23] | justinh: | Dinosoars.. now that could stand some repeats |
| [16:15:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah – girl who could learn any act just by seeing a clip of it |
| [16:15:56] | wagnerrp: | i remember Dinosoars... that show was awesome when i was a kid |
| [16:15:58] | justinh: | (how very convenient) |
| [16:16:28] | wagnerrp: | ah, learns from TV, not so much ipod... i remember her |
| [16:16:39] | justinh: | hell I'd even put up with it being crappy NTSC tints just for the sheer nostalgia |
| [16:16:56] | justinh: | wagnerrp: she was given a video i[pod with ninja moves etc... ;) |
| [16:18:00] | wagnerrp: | nothing beats a frying pan to the face when youre 6 |
| [16:18:12] | justinh: | not the momma! |
| [16:19:56] | gbee: | heh |
| [16:20:20] | justinh: | I mus've been in my early teens when I first saw it. loved it even then |
| [16:20:38] | gbee: | wagnerrp: worked just as well when I was twice that age |
| [16:21:02] | justinh: | remember my parents being unable to miss it too |
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| [16:21:20] | gbee: | justinh: looked it up, first shown in the UK from '92 onwards |
| [16:21:29] | justinh: | god, what passes for comedy on telly nowadays? |
| [16:21:45] | justinh: | jesus I was 20. ROFL |
| [16:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Fat guys with hot wives |
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| [16:22:02] | iamlindoro: | Pretty much every sitcom in America, that |
| [16:22:10] | laga: | iamlindoro: roseanne? |
| [16:22:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i wouldnt claim to call her hot |
| [16:22:27] | iamlindoro: | Fat guy, average job, two kids (one of each gender), hot wife for some inexplicable reason |
| [16:22:44] | iamlindoro: | laga, I mean more like Everybody Loves Raymond/King of Queens/etc. |
| [16:23:16] | wagnerrp: | well the guy in KoQ is certainly fat, but i dont know if i would consider Raymond fat |
| [16:23:18] | justinh: | oh those totally unfunnier than even Roseanne shows? |
| [16:23:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i never really found any of them funny, so i cant compare |
| [16:23:47] | iamlindoro: | yes, those |
| [16:24:05] | justinh: | they make Friends look like Pulitzer winners |
| [16:25:15] | justinh: | is American Dad still on over there? we need more of that here |
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| [16:25:31] | iamlindoro: | Yep, still on, season premiere was Sundya |
| [16:25:33] | iamlindoro: | Sunday |
| [16:26:19] | gbee: | Southpark still going? |
| [16:26:27] | wagnerrp: | 12th season i think |
| [16:27:01] | gbee: | guess they are being swallowed by a black hole over here then |
| [16:27:04] | justinh: | we need to get that on terrestrial telly |
| [16:27:19] | justinh: | rather than council telly |
| [16:27:21] | gbee: | haven't seen an episode in at least two years, probably four |
| [16:27:33] | wagnerrp: | well you can always grab that online |
| [16:27:39] | justinh: | I used to try recording it from MTV when I still had my cable |
| [16:27:48] | justinh: | their EPG data is ALWAYS wrong |
| [16:27:50] | gbee: | meh, TV should come to me, not the other way around |
| [16:27:56] | wagnerrp: | their site offers them commercial free online, albeit in flash format |
| [16:28:18] | justinh: | can't be arsed opening a fscking web browser on my frontend |
| [16:28:55] | wagnerrp: | well you can always play the shitty ass youtube versions in trunk |
| [16:29:13] | justinh: | I can always not ;) |
| [16:30:35] | wagnerrp: | wow! theyre playing south park on FOX now. i bet thats interesting |
| [16:30:51] | wagnerrp: | well, interesting in the same manner Dexter on CBS is |
| [16:31:10] | justinh: | loads of shows on Fox criticise it |
| [16:32:03] | justinh: | or at least they used to .. dunno if they still do |
| [16:32:20] | wagnerrp: | as in news shows? or what? |
| [16:32:24] | justinh: | haven't watched a Simpsons episode since The Regina Monologues |
| [16:32:38] | justinh: | Simpsons were always ribbing Fox |
| [16:32:42] | justinh: | Xfiles did too |
| [16:33:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, criticize FOX, not South Park |
| [16:33:24] | justinh: | heh yes |
| [16:34:49] | justinh: | actually, flash video being what it is can be erm... hmmm... |
| [16:35:29] | justinh: | but now it's hometime |
| [16:35:36] | laga: | hahahaha |
| [16:35:40] | laga: | oops. sorry. |
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| [16:37:57] | ldiamond: | Is the slingbox/slingcatcher supported by mythtv? |
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| [16:38:07] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [16:38:28] | ldiamond: | :( |
| [16:39:06] | wagnerrp: | thats like wanting mythtv to integrate more closely with tivo |
| [16:39:17] | ldiamond: | not really.. |
| [16:39:38] | ldiamond: | You could have the Slingbox stream on your network and have mythtv record and manage the recordings |
| [16:39:51] | ldiamond: | so you can play it back later using a slingcatcher |
| [16:39:57] | wagnerrp: | you could do the same thing with a tivo |
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| [16:40:30] | ldiamond: | but tivo has fees/month doesnt it? |
| [16:40:37] | squidly: | does anyone currently use myth with u-verse? |
| [16:41:01] | ldiamond: | Having support for slingbox in mythtv makes perfect sense. |
| [16:41:06] | wagnerrp: | squidly: not a problem if youre going through the STB, but mythtv cannot capture the actual IPTV stream |
| [16:41:27] | iamlindoro: | many also avoid it as it's the lowest bitrate television out there |
| [16:41:37] | iamlindoro: | 6 Mbit HD streams, gulp |
| [16:41:38] | squidly: | wagnerrp: that is what I thought. because the DRM in the iptvstream? |
| [16:41:48] | ldiamond: | I'm doing SD |
| [16:42:00] | iamlindoro: | ldiamond, we're not speaking to you |
| [16:42:01] | wagnerrp: | integrating with slingbox requires a dev to have one to play with |
| [16:42:01] | squidly: | I dont have a hdtv yet and I dont really care about tv in hd |
| [16:42:14] | wagnerrp: | a dev would never buy one on their own, because of the aforementioned quality issues |
| [16:42:56] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention why buy proprietary hardware to do what mythfrontend can do just fine |
| [16:43:11] | ldiamond: | Would anyone here be interested in a TV tuner that streams through the network? (somewhat like a slingbox, but prolly opensource) |
| [16:43:29] | wagnerrp: | squidly: more that there is no standard for IPTV, so mythtv would have to be programmed on a provider-by-provider basis |
| [16:43:33] | iamlindoro: | They already exist |
| [16:43:39] | laga: | mythtv has some iptv support |
| [16:43:44] | wagnerrp: | and there probably is encryption on the line too |
| [16:43:55] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's a totally proprietary IPTV implementation |
| [16:43:55] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ahh ok |
| [16:44:04] | iamlindoro: | + DRM |
| [16:44:11] | squidly: | hmm..that will be.. nm |
| [16:44:16] | ldiamond: | Which ones work with mythtv? |
| [16:44:28] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun |
| [16:44:31] | squidly: | well I may be able to setup something that can capture the DRM key and decrypt. |
| [16:44:54] | squidly: | (if I do I'll submit a patch) |
| [16:44:58] | wagnerrp: | squidly: you go do that... and get into your own legal issues |
| [16:45:01] | iamlindoro: | squidly, Doesn't work that way, and that patch would never be welcome |
| [16:45:17] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I know. I was mostly kidding about submitting the patch. |
| [16:45:22] | wagnerrp: | a user of a program like that doesnt have much to worry |
| [16:45:36] | wagnerrp: | but if you were to write and distribute something like that, you can expect a lawsuit |
| [16:46:01] | wagnerrp: | unless of course, you were based out of the Cayman's |
| [16:46:07] | ldiamond: | hdhomerun dont have ntsc :( |
| [16:46:16] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea I know.. expecially if I live in the us |
| [16:46:41] | squidly: | perhaps we could get some preasure on at&t to make a card that could give the stream to myth |
| [16:46:58] | wagnerrp: | why would they want to do that? |
| [16:47:01] | iamlindoro: | Is it naive in here, or is it just me |
| [16:47:13] | wagnerrp: | what pressure could we put on them? |
| [16:47:32] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the whole POINT is to keep copies out of customer hands |
| [16:47:41] | squidly: | iamlindoro: not naive just dreaming |
| [16:47:43] | iamlindoro: | No amount of presure will change that |
| [16:48:03] | squidly: | very true. |
| [16:48:10] | squidly: | they have a nice lockup on the market |
| [16:48:16] | wagnerrp: | encryption give control, control gives the... illusion of worth |
| [16:48:29] | squidly: | and I hate comcast enought to deal with this from at&t |
| [16:49:17] | wagnerrp: | whether that worth amounts to anything or not is debatable, but the providers perceive a gain |
| [16:50:03] | squidly: | wagnerrp: imo it does not really. other then finding a way to force us to rent their equipment |
| [16:51:25] | wagnerrp: | equipment rentals are worthless |
| [16:51:34] | wagnerrp: | i bet it takes them years to recoup the hardware costs |
| [16:52:37] | squidly: | in small numbers yes. but with large number such as at&t's or comcast's number that ammounts to a lot of money. Also they can buy it cheaper if they purchase in numbers |
| [16:52:48] | squidly: | I dont think years but perhaps a year. |
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| [16:53:51] | squidly: | lets assume they purchase a set top box for $200, and rent it out for 35 (iirc that is what comcast charges) it takes less then a year |
| [16:54:02] | wagnerrp: | my cableco charges me $5/mo ($60/yr) for a box. same price for analog, digital, and HD. |
| [16:54:33] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, comcast HD STB here is $5, $8 for the DVR |
| [16:54:34] | wagnerrp: | if theyre charging you $35/mo, theyre ripping you a new asshole |
| [16:54:37] | iamlindoro: | nowhere near $35 |
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| [16:55:03] | squidly: | ok. I had not used a stb for a long time |
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| [16:57:12] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [16:57:29] | mattwj2002: | I am thinking about buying stuff for a new mythtv box |
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| [16:58:44] | mattwj2002: | http://www.ascendtech.us/customkititems.asp?kc=DTAMDA21GX24200 |
| [16:59:13] | wagnerrp: | is this for a backend? |
| [16:59:13] | mattwj2002: | http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST31500341AS-Ba . . . 8&sr=8-1 |
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| [16:59:23] | mattwj2002: | frontend and backend |
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| [17:00:13] | wagnerrp: | if this is for a frontend, build your own from scratch |
| [17:00:21] | wagnerrp: | or pick up a purpose built SFF box |
| [17:00:32] | mattwj2002: | well I have thought about that.... |
| [17:00:40] | mattwj2002: | but this is inexpensive |
| [17:01:21] | wagnerrp: | anything barebones you pick up like this is probably going to come in cheap shit case, with a cheap shit heatsink |
| [17:01:38] | wagnerrp: | and youre going to end up dropping a lot of extra money trying to make it bearably quiet |
| [17:02:16] | mattwj2002: | it is fairly fast though |
| [17:02:32] | mattwj2002: | AMD X2 |
| [17:02:41] | mattwj2002: | 4200 |
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| [17:03:53] | wagnerrp: | for instance, their upgraded heatsinks come in 'high speed' and 'ultra high speed' variety, nevermind the fact that actual high-performance heatsinks usually run <2000 rpm |
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| [17:05:16] | mattwj2002: | what would you suggest? |
| [17:05:29] | mattwj2002: | the 1.5 TB would be awesome |
| [17:05:30] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [17:06:45] | wagnerrp: | well for $155, you get a case with PS (~$25), PCCHIPS board with video (~$35), and a 4200+ (they dont sell it anymore, but if they did, it would be ~$55) |
| [17:06:57] | wagnerrp: | so, that barebones system is about a 50% markup |
| [17:07:13] | wagnerrp: | and its old hardware to boot |
| [17:07:44] | laga: | pcchips? |
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| [17:08:03] | wagnerrp: | el cheapo board |
| [17:08:13] | laga: | yes, i know :'( |
| [17:08:41] | wagnerrp: | well i forgot the hard drive, so tack on another $30 for the included 160GB |
| [17:09:04] | wagnerrp: | price isnt so bad anymore, but its still old, bottom-end hardware |
| [17:10:36] | wagnerrp: | spend some money, get a nice case. you should be looking at $60+. more if it has a power supply |
| [17:10:51] | laga: | and don't buy pcchips.. |
| [17:10:53] | wagnerrp: | a separate power supply should also run $50+ (if not included in the case) |
| [17:11:06] | squish102: | make sure your onboard is nvidia |
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| [17:11:48] | wagnerrp: | get a nice board, asus, abit, gigabyte, msi... maybe ecs if you want to cut prices a bit |
| [17:12:14] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to pick up something suitable for <$100 |
| [17:12:24] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [17:12:56] | wagnerrp: | processor, core2s are suggested, but you can go with amd if you want to cut price |
| [17:14:09] | wagnerrp: | heatsink, the bigger, the better. depending on your processor, the stock may be sufficient. better to get one with a 120mm fan and use the bios (or an external rheostat) to drop the rpm |
| [17:14:16] | wagnerrp: | nice heatsinks usually run around $30 |
| [17:14:51] | wagnerrp: | video, as mentioned, go nvidia |
| [17:14:57] | wagnerrp: | nothing fancy here, any nvidia will do |
| [17:16:01] | wagnerrp: | hard drives, economy of scale |
| [17:16:12] | wagnerrp: | the smaller they are, the more it costs per GB |
| [17:16:54] | wagnerrp: | right now, the best buy is somewhere around 750GB-1TB, although the recently released 1.5TB are surprisingly cheap (if you can find one in stock) |
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| [17:18:06] | wagnerrp: | is this for SD? HD? since you were going for cheap, i doubt youre considering an HDPVR |
| [17:19:20] | mattwj2002: | it would be for HD |
| [17:19:26] | wagnerrp: | anything youre able to buy new (with proper video drivers) should be able to handle MPEG2 HD without issue |
| [17:19:44] | mattwj2002: | I all ready own a HDhomerun |
| [17:20:01] | mattwj2002: | I also have an analog TV tuner |
| [17:20:12] | wagnerrp: | ok, the HDHomeRun can only pickup mpeg2-based sources |
| [17:20:19] | wagnerrp: | so power isnt going to be a problem with playback |
| [17:20:20] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [17:20:25] | mattwj2002: | yup :D |
| [17:21:34] | mattwj2002: | has anyone done MP4 1080i? |
| [17:22:00] | wagnerrp: | the satellite cos are switching to mpeg4 |
| [17:22:01] | mattwj2002: | or MP4 720p |
| [17:22:12] | wagnerrp: | and the HDPVR outputs mpeg4 |
| [17:22:30] | directhex: | all european satellite HD is h264 1080i |
| [17:22:38] | wagnerrp: | and some DVB sources are mpeg4 |
| [17:22:42] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [17:23:30] | mattwj2002: | how good of hardware do you need to play back mpeg4 1080i? |
| [17:23:53] | wagnerrp: | that depends on something other than the resolution |
| [17:24:04] | kormoc: | clay super computer! |
| [17:24:17] | wagnerrp: | bitrate and encoding options are far more important than resolution |
| [17:24:25] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
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| [17:25:35] | mattwj2002: | what do you think of this setup? |
| [17:25:35] | gbee: | and codec |
| [17:25:36] | mattwj2002: | http://www.computerlx.com/config.aspx?t=&product_ID=727 |
| [17:25:43] | wagnerrp: | hdpvr output, you need a single core core2 of ~2.5GHz, or probably AMD of 3GHz |
| [17:25:44] | mattwj2002: | asus motherboard? |
| [17:25:51] | gbee: | do you mean AVC (h.264) when you say mpeg4? |
| [17:26:02] | wagnerrp: | does anyone broadcast in ASP? |
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| [17:26:13] | mattwj2002: | the mpeg4 that mythtv encodes to |
| [17:26:23] | mattwj2002: | asp? |
| [17:26:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv usually encodes to xvid (asp) |
| [17:26:41] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to h.264 (avc) |
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| [17:27:09] | mattwj2002: | with a 1.5 TB hard drive |
| [17:27:25] | mattwj2002: | I figure I can save a weeks worth of HD at MPEG2 |
| [17:27:32] | mattwj2002: | *week |
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| [17:28:26] | wagnerrp: | the motherboard is decent (if old, and no longer sold), the processor is decent (if old, and no longer sold), but a BBC computer case and OKIA power supply |
| [17:28:28] | XLV: | mattwj2002, well, after i have tested 3 different cpus for h264/vc1 playback, amd x2 3800 wasnt enough, c2d e6320 at 1.8GHz wasnt enough, but finally i overclocked it to 2.5GHz.. that freq was trully needed |
| [17:28:30] | directhex: | 4200+ is good enough for mpeg2, likely to be epic fail for h264 |
| [17:28:32] | wagnerrp: | i have never heard of those brands |
| [17:28:44] | wagnerrp: | just buy parts off newegg, and build your own |
| [17:29:28] | wagnerrp: | and beyond that, its still overpriced |
| [17:30:49] | wagnerrp: | case: look for antec, thermaltake, or silverstone |
| [17:32:03] | wagnerrp: | power supply: look for antec, thermaltake, coolermaster, ocz, pc power&cooling. you most likely will not need more than 400W |
| [17:32:10] | directhex: | tagan |
| [17:32:25] | XLV: | cpu cooler is a 15 euro arctic cooling freezer pro s775 with 9cm fan.. cpu on load is at 45–50C into a silverstone lc20 htpc case, fan is at 900rpm to 1500rpm, practically inaudible |
| [17:32:28] | directhex: | corsair have reasonable modular supplies |
| [17:32:29] | laga: | try to get an 80+ one |
| [17:32:47] | directhex: | generally anything fsp-manufactured is fine (ocz are fsp inside) |
| [17:33:10] | XLV: | tagan are somewhat depreciated now, after the realiabilyt problems of past lines of psus ( many failing, burning out ) |
| [17:33:50] | XLV: | thermaltake toughpower line are decent, and at a right price |
| [17:33:51] | wagnerrp: | memory: ocz, corsair, crucial, geil, mushkin. kingston is decent and reliable, if usually low performance |
| [17:34:10] | laga: | ugh |
| [17:34:13] | laga: | that's ricer stuff |
| [17:34:17] | directhex: | super talent are okay. they're on the up. hot choice in the SSD market |
| [17:34:19] | laga: | kingston is good enough |
| [17:34:39] | wagnerrp: | patriot, g.skill, pqi, pny, super talent. have some reliability issues in memory |
| [17:34:50] | directhex: | i use ECC crucial in my myth machine |
| [17:35:17] | kormoc: | Corsair is slick |
| [17:35:29] | wagnerrp: | ECC: not something to worry about, because its doubtful you will be buying a motherboard expensive enough to support it |
| [17:35:40] | directhex: | wagnerrp, *cough* :) |
| [17:35:45] | directhex: | kormoc, and affordable |
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| [17:36:15] | wagnerrp: | ECC is generally only used for server/workstation grade stuff |
| [17:36:22] | wagnerrp: | where you need absolute reliability |
| [17:36:26] | directhex: | i'm jealous of my dad's new business pc. radeon 4850, 4 gig of crucial twinx, high end modular power supply, samsung f1 disk... |
| [17:36:30] | directhex: | wagnerrp, *cough* :) |
| [17:36:39] | laga: | wagnerrp: i think most athlon mother boards support it because the memory controller is in the CPU |
| [17:37:34] | directhex: | laga, nah, only optys |
| [17:37:34] | wagnerrp: | laga: maybe, its been a while since ive rooted through the BIOS on my amd box, but i dont remember mention of it in the menus |
| [17:37:52] | XLV: | laga, maybe, if you use an opteron on them, i got some nf4 s939 boards, dont remember about ecc ram support on them |
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| [17:38:22] | directhex: | only opteron memory controllers, and the very first-gen athlon fx (which were rebadged opty) do ECC in the amd camp |
| [17:38:27] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 939 optys were effectively rebadged a64s |
| [17:39:09] | wagnerrp: | since the true optys required registered memory |
| [17:39:12] | XLV: | wagnerrp, but if they were to be used in 1socket workstations, ecc ram is needed there, so maybe they got the ecc part reenabled by amd |
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| [17:39:15] | wagnerrp: | the 939s didnt |
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| [17:39:56] | laga: | directhex: interesting. a friend of mine swears on ECC and he bought an athlon box ;) |
| [17:42:02] | directhex: | wagnerrp, first gen. 940. |
| [17:42:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean the 940s required registered, the 939s didnt (i have a opty 165 in my server) |
| [17:42:49] | wagnerrp: | it cant use registered memory, but i dont know about ecc |
| [17:43:33] | mattwj2002: | I hate to admit it.... |
| [17:43:38] | mattwj2002: | you guys might be right |
| [17:43:49] | mattwj2002: | I might be better to buy off of newegg |
| [17:43:50] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [17:45:19] | wagnerrp: | ive been a faithful user since 2001 |
| [17:45:21] | mattwj2002: | would a AMD 64 X2 5000+ (2.6 Ghz) be able to playback HD with a nVidia 6200 video graphs card with the drivers correctly installed |
| [17:45:23] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [17:45:49] | wagnerrp: | i doubt you could still get a board with a 6200 on it |
| [17:46:05] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131249 |
| [17:46:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ooh? I bought a 5200 recently... |
| [17:46:09] | wagnerrp: | but regardless, the video coming off your HDHR doesnt need anything like a 5000+ |
| [17:46:12] | directhex: | perhaps. amd chips are slower per-clock, so i'd aim much faster if i was buying amd |
| [17:46:19] | directhex: | oh, hdhomerun |
| [17:46:22] | directhex: | yeah, less, maybe |
| [17:46:44] | mattwj2002: | sorry I wasn't specific |
| [17:46:57] | mattwj2002: | HD mpeg 4 |
| [17:47:02] | mattwj2002: | 1080i mpeg4 |
| [17:47:17] | directhex: | mpeg4 refers to a class of codecs |
| [17:47:41] | mattwj2002: | right but requires a lot more of a system for playback |
| [17:47:48] | wagnerrp: | in the US, (short of a HDPVR) you shouldnt really have a source of AVC |
| [17:47:59] | mattwj2002: | it wouldn't be a source.... |
| [17:48:12] | directhex: | AAC audio is an mpeg4 codec |
| [17:48:24] | mattwj2002: | I want to encode my HD programs to mpeg4 to save hard drive space |
| [17:48:31] | mattwj2002: | I am wondering if this could play it back |
| [17:48:32] | wagnerrp: | for your own rips... my 3200+ (single core 2GHz) is sufficient for up to ~6mbps |
| [17:48:55] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, and i start to have issues |
| [17:48:56] | mattwj2002: | for mpeg4? |
| [17:49:11] | wagnerrp: | for h.264 |
| [17:49:17] | mattwj2002: | oh wow |
| [17:49:21] | wagnerrp: | (mpeg4 part 10) |
| [17:49:25] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [17:49:49] | directhex: | mpeg4 part 2 is divx/xvid |
| [17:49:57] | directhex: | mpeg4 part 10 is h264 |
| [17:50:01] | directhex: | mpeg4 part 3 is aac |
| [17:50:07] | directhex: | mpeg4 part 12 is .mov |
| [17:50:13] | directhex: | see, mpeg4 is a big ol' spec |
| [17:50:27] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [17:50:37] | mattwj2002: | what codecs can mythtv encode in again? |
| [17:51:49] | laga: | and what's .avi? |
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| [17:51:53] | laga: | *prepares to be stabbed* |
| [17:52:26] | ** mattwj2002 stabs laga ** | |
| [17:55:29] | laga: | we need a bot for that |
| [17:55:48] | kormoc: | !trout laga |
| [17:55:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [17:56:09] | laga: | na, !stab kormoc |
| [17:56:29] | kormoc: | but that's so violent, a fish is family friendly! |
| [17:56:33] | gbee: | right now mpeg4 part2 iirc, techinically mythtv could encode into a wide variety of containers and codecs, but it doesn't since no-one has bothered to add the small amount of code required to make it possible |
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| [17:56:55] | mattwj2002: | thanks gbee |
| [17:56:56] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [17:57:21] | gbee: | Captain_Murdoch came closest to doing that, but he's been AWOL for a long time now |
| [17:57:58] | gbee: | I don't do transcoding to mpeg4 or have a software encoder, so I'm not 100% sure if I'm honest |
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| [18:00:27] | laga: | transcoding is annoying because you need to figure out good parameters |
| [18:01:22] | mattwj2002: | right but the amount of space it saves is awesome |
| [18:01:33] | mattwj2002: | takes a lot of clock cycles though |
| [18:01:50] | laga: | yeah.. and i don't want my BE running just because it's transcoding |
| [18:03:41] | gbee: | for me it's just not worth the extra electricity when disk space is so cheap |
| [18:03:50] | wagnerrp: | well its a tossup... when disks are so cheap |
| [18:04:01] | wagnerrp: | at $0.15/GB |
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| [18:04:19] | directhex: | laga, profiles. |
| [18:04:23] | gbee: | I'll do lossless transcoding to remove adds, but not to change codec and potentially lose quality in the process |
| [18:04:32] | laga: | directhex: --verbose? |
| [18:04:37] | directhex: | laga, that's what drives me up the wall. no linux h264 encoder seems to support profiles |
| [18:04:42] | laga: | ah. |
| [18:04:47] | laga: | yes, that'd be neat. |
| [18:04:51] | gbee: | s/adds/ads/ |
| [18:04:53] | directhex: | laga, there are rigid, defined parameters for h264 encoding |
| [18:05:11] | laga: | directhex: handbrake does. although it's probably just for DVDs.. or are you talking about something other than "rip to ipod"? |
| [18:05:20] | directhex: | laga, profile 4.1 is "blu-ray player" spec, defining encoding settings. just pick a target filesize/bitrate and a res, plus the profile version |
| [18:05:26] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt take much at all to write a script wrapper to read a profile |
| [18:05:45] | Dibblah: | Of course, transcoding to h.264 is madness ;) |
| [18:05:47] | gbee: | there are streaming web streaming profiles etc |
| [18:06:08] | wagnerrp: | directhex: are you talking about user defined profiles? or h.264 profiles? because theyre different things |
| [18:06:11] | Dibblah: | Well, if you don't have a high-end frontend, anyway. |
| [18:06:19] | directhex: | wagnerrp, h264 profiles. |
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| [18:06:46] | wagnerrp: | all linux profiles just compress to unrestricted? |
| [18:06:55] | wagnerrp: | you cant define anything different? |
| [18:07:06] | wagnerrp: | because i know x264 in windows supports profiles |
| [18:07:07] | directhex: | i know i never managed to play an h264 file i made on linux on ps3/360 |
| [18:07:12] | directhex: | whereas ripbox264 was fine |
| [18:07:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, i only recently figured out how to get it done in windows |
| [18:07:37] | wagnerrp: | the adaptive b-frames were always screwing me over |
| [18:08:09] | wagnerrp: | the ps3 'user profile' i downloaded incorrectly had those enabled |
| [18:09:02] | wagnerrp: | of course if your only problem is that its the wrong h.264 profile, there are tools that you can get that will just change the profile in the header |
| [18:09:11] | wagnerrp: | if all other settings are correct, it should work just fine |
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| [18:11:24] | Slegge: | anyone got any recomodations for a good dvd-rom? |
| [18:11:48] | laga: | my dvd room? i watch dvds in my living room |
| [18:11:50] | Slegge: | or dvd-r\rw\anything that reads scratched disks |
| [18:12:08] | Slegge: | laga :p |
| [18:12:13] | ** mattwj2002 stabs laga repeatedly ** | |
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| [18:17:21] | mattwj2002: | just kidding laga |
| [18:17:22] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [18:17:58] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:20:03] | Penfold: | Slegge: the Pioneer DR1xx's seem pretty tolerant, from what I remember |
| [18:20:31] | Dagmar: | You know what reads scratched disks? NOTHING. |
| [18:20:48] | Dagmar: | Take better care of them or buy a Disk Dr. to buff the scratches out |
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| [18:26:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, dvds are sandwiched, so its pretty hard to damage them beyond the ability of a disk dr. |
| [18:26:20] | wagnerrp: | you cant just scrape the foil off like you could CDs |
| [18:28:01] | Dagmar: | Oh you can |
| [18:28:18] | Dagmar: | Sharpies are also an excellent way to ruin them because the dye bleeds right into the media over time |
| [18:28:43] | Slegge: | the dvd-rw i got now is either broken or realy bad, because it have mayor problems reading disks that look fine and most other players play just fine |
| [18:28:53] | wagnerrp: | yes, but if you write on the recorded side, and leave it there, youre a dumbass |
| [18:29:06] | Slegge: | so i end up playing dvds of my laptop |
| [18:29:08] | Dagmar: | If you write on *either* side |
| [18:29:25] | wagnerrp: | it will seep all the way through the plastic layer? |
| [18:29:31] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [18:29:33] | Dagmar: | Very annoying |
| [18:31:38] | Dibblah: | ... Behind the plastic layer is an aluminium layer, which it can't seep through. |
| [18:32:19] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?con . . . 44f76fcb7f81 |
| [18:32:55] | Dagmar: | Dibbleh: I'll see if I can find a camera that doesn't suck to use so that I can show you otherwise |
| [18:33:26] | Dagmar: | I've got more than a couple Slackware DVDs I burned that you can read my handwriting on from either side |
| [18:33:41] | laga: | i blame your rage |
| [18:33:42] | Dagmar: | They still read, now, but I figure it's only a matter of time |
| [18:33:58] | laga: | i mean, imagine what happened if mjg59 wrote on your disks |
| [18:34:24] | directhex: | mjg59 doesn't use ink |
| [18:34:31] | directhex: | he inscribes things with pure rage |
| [18:36:00] | laga: | and your dvd reader would be ACPI compliant suddenly |
| [18:37:15] | laga: | i'm getting 160kbyte/s down here with my new laptop. something tells me i'll be in for a lot of pain if i move my wlan frontend down here later |
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| [18:40:05] | porcodildo: | hi |
| [18:42:49] | porcodildo: | I have a bt8xx based hauppage express analog card |
| [18:43:00] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: CDs and DVDs are semi-translucent |
| [18:43:11] | wagnerrp: | hold it up to a light, and you can see your hand moving behind it |
| [18:43:22] | porcodildo: | if I use tvtime (or generally the line in input) the sound is ok |
| [18:44:01] | Dagmar: | <-- intelligent being |
| [18:44:10] | Dagmar: | The text is visible when the DVD is just lying on the desk. |
| [18:44:19] | porcodildo: | but if I use mythtv using the passthrough cable or the bt878 audio drivers the audio is "metallic" and seems to be distorted |
| [18:44:24] | wagnerrp: | ah, i suppose that is a problem then |
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| [18:44:38] | porcodildo: | if I raise the capture volume the distortion is increased... |
| [18:44:50] | wagnerrp: | well ive used sharpies on my burned backups, and have never come across that |
| [18:44:59] | wagnerrp: | of course they sit for years unused in a binder |
| [18:45:08] | porcodildo: | help :P |
| [18:45:21] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I figure the manufacturer just went "extra cheap" on this run |
| [18:45:43] | justinh: | why would anybody want to help somebody whose nick contains a reference to a sex toy? |
| [18:46:07] | wagnerrp: | one made of ham in fact |
| [18:46:44] | porcodildo: | why not? :P |
| [18:46:53] | Dagmar: | procodildo: Carefully open your machine, take that bt8x8 card out, and throw it away. Install a PVR-150. Close the case. |
| [18:47:01] | porcodildo: | lol |
| [18:47:30] | Dagmar: | The only _other_ solution for your problem is "well adjust some volume sliders already" |
| [18:47:42] | porcodildo: | Dagmar, I'm quite stupid, because I've just bought a pinnacle pctv usb based stick and I found that there are no drivers for it |
| [18:47:42] | porcodildo: | :D |
| [18:48:39] | justinh: | metallic sounds... could be using the wrong sample rate during capture |
| [18:48:48] | justinh: | adjust your recording profiles |
| [18:49:00] | porcodildo: | mm I'll try |
| [18:50:49] | wagnerrp: | is that the recent Woot tuner? |
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| [19:19:12] | XLV: | porcodildo, problems with tuner support all around... eg many pcie tuners still not supported.. lots of ci modules not supported etc etc |
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| [19:20:25] | XLV: | porcodildo, now that hd media players got cheaper, i'd suggest you look into sagetv... their hd media extender and tv server, plus support for tuners and CIs works well |
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| [19:22:51] | porcodildo: | mm ok |
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| [20:18:47] | gbee: | "perception analyser", you were right, this is worth watching |
| [20:18:58] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [20:19:14] | iamlindoro: | funny that I happened to sit back down just as you said that |
| [20:20:31] | iamlindoro: | xris, ping? |
| [20:21:26] | iamlindoro: | I was hoping you might have a copy of an ollllllld revision of nuvexport from when it was capable of MPEG-2 lossless, I want to see how the command lines were set up for that |
| [20:22:05] | wagnerrp: | older than whats tracked by svn? |
| [20:22:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [20:22:22] | iamlindoro: | svn goes back 23 months. |
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| [20:25:01] | jduggan: | directhex: thanks for the acer kernel link, worked a treat \o/ |
| [20:25:33] | jduggan: | makes a perfect console terminal when working in a tight rack =] |
| [20:25:48] | ** iamlindoro loves working on a tight rack ** | |
| [20:25:50] | jduggan: | im sure that sounds dodgy to the sicker mind |
| [20:25:53] | jduggan: | i knew it |
| [20:25:55] | jduggan: | ;P |
| [20:25:57] | ** iamlindoro is the sicker mind ** | |
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| [20:27:30] | janneg: | iamlindoro: http://readlist.com/lists/mythtv.org/mythtv-users/3/18798.html |
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| [20:27:50] | iamlindoro: | janneg, hey, thanks a lot |
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| [20:28:42] | iamlindoro: | janneg, yeah, that looks like a good start |
| [20:31:35] | justinh: | Daily Show @ 1.5x coming up! |
| [20:32:06] | justinh: | eew EWRONGASPECT |
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| [20:32:51] | justinh: | wrong aspect ratio, and no blurred out comedy central logo. wtf? |
| [20:33:19] | gbee: | huh? right aspect here |
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| [20:34:44] | justinh: | gbee: did you get it from more4+1 ? |
| [20:34:57] | gbee: | unless John Stewart is really a tall thin guy and not an average height + carrying some weight |
| [20:35:11] | justinh: | it's supposed to be 4:3 |
| [20:35:54] | justinh: | unless (!) it really is wide |
| [20:36:04] | gbee: | yeah, figured as much once I thought about it but it's actually pretty hard to tell on my monitor that it's stretched |
| [20:36:20] | gbee: | it looks squashed at 4:3 |
| [20:36:36] | justinh: | wow they finally went wide |
| [20:36:38] | justinh: | :-O |
| [20:36:57] | justinh: | is John McCain really grey? |
| [20:36:58] | gbee: | looks best at 14:9 |
| [20:37:31] | iamlindoro: | John McCain *is* gray, however |
| [20:38:08] | justinh: | and... how the hell can anybody POSSIBLY consider voting for a guy who whistles when he talks? :-O |
| [20:38:30] | iamlindoro: | He's also a lizard, come to drain the oceans for his people |
| [20:39:06] | justinh: | ahhh must be the prosthetic face mask causing the speech whistling |
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| [20:39:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, real men whistle while they eat |
| [20:39:47] | justinh: | wow.. also noticing this edition doesn't look like _suck_ |
| [20:40:18] | justinh: | they must have random times where somebody gets a copy which wasn't downloaded from youtube |
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| [20:42:12] | gbee: | when I used to watch it looked terrible, like someone had fed-ex'd it overnight on VHS from the US and at this end they just shoved it in the VCR and pressed play |
| [20:42:33] | justinh: | yeah it usually looks like that, but with the onscreen comedy central logo blurred out |
| [20:42:38] | justinh: | and 4:3 |
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| [20:43:29] | btQuark: | does anyone of you know a good, recent tutorial for the autotranscode functionality? |
| [20:43:40] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [20:43:46] | Dagmar: | wiki.mythtv.org |
| [20:43:53] | gbee: | looks more like they are sending original quality footage now which More 4 are processing themselves, with an aspect ratio change – not quite 16:9, but not 4:3 either |
| [20:44:00] | btQuark: | i've been trying to setup autotranscode via automatic executed userjobs and ended up in failing constantly |
| [20:44:31] | btQuark: | and just found the c header file with the error defines as documentation that was not too helpfull |
| [20:44:31] | gbee: | head ... *!*desk |
| [20:44:49] | btQuark: | i actually read the wiki to not too much avail |
| [20:45:01] | btQuark: | *bonk* |
| [20:45:05] | justinh: | transcoding profiles need to be initialised believe it or not |
| [20:45:19] | Dagmar: | Ah but he's using a user job |
| [20:45:27] | btQuark: | i'ld take anything |
| [20:45:39] | gbee: | but why is he using a userjob? That's the question |
| [20:45:40] | btQuark: | userjobs were the thing that some blog suggested |
| [20:45:57] | btQuark: | i'm using a backend-only+mythweb setup |
| [20:46:01] | justinh: | ahhh some blog. death to blogs |
| [20:46:04] | btQuark: | to record dvb |
| [20:46:26] | gbee: | see, this is why I say that the internet should be purged of old crap every now and then |
| [20:46:41] | btQuark: | i actually did not find too much docs that looked recent or current... |
| [20:48:05] | gbee: | btQuark: when setting up a recording, click on "Show" next to the Advanced options, enable "Auto-transcode", done |
| [20:48:30] | btQuark: | hm, but i probably need to set to what i would like it to be transcoded |
| [20:48:45] | gbee: | if you want to get fancy you can pick a pre-set transcoding profile |
| [20:49:06] | btQuark: | like radio recordings -> some ogg or mp3, tv films -> xvid big, tv series -> xvid small |
| [20:49:08] | gbee: | in the same place you'll see a drop down "Transcoder" box |
| [20:49:24] | btQuark: | i'll just try that out right now |
| [20:50:13] | gbee: | to customise profiles you'll just need to run a frontend for ten minutes, there is no way to edit them in mythweb |
| [20:50:42] | koala_man: | is there any way to automatically make mythvideo do its video scanning thing? (so I can have a script fill it in with generated icons) |
| [20:51:13] | btQuark: | there are three recording profiles |
| [20:51:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I love the old Republican lady – "I'm afraid of him (Obama)", "I watch Fox!" |
| [20:51:19] | btQuark: | and three transcoding profiles |
| [20:51:36] | btQuark: | gbee: that is some usefull information! |
| [20:51:46] | justinh: | heheh Fox – fair & balanced! |
| [20:51:47] | btQuark: | so i'll best setup a frontend then |
| [20:51:57] | iamlindoro: | gbee, "Fox *is* fair and balanced! The rest are in the tank for Obama!" |
| [20:52:06] | btQuark: | any idea if i could do the settings in the database too? |
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| [20:52:23] | justinh: | btQuark: all settings are in the database. good luck with that one |
| [20:53:56] | btQuark: | at least for the order of the tv stations changing it in the db was the most comfortable attempt |
| [20:54:19] | btQuark: | actually i'm thinking about creating some web-interface to sort the stations |
| [20:54:27] | btQuark: | as i have some hundred with the dvb setup here |
| [20:54:33] | gbee: | iamlindoro: it's actually pretty scary, by the standards of no country in the world could Fox be described as fair and balanced – not even the most ardent Republican with their head screwed on straight could believe that it is |
| [20:54:34] | btQuark: | with >50% trash |
| [20:55:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee, If the county goes one way, I truly believe we will come out of this *strong* and set things right. If it goes the other, I fear that's all she wrote. |
| [20:55:31] | iamlindoro: | And I'll leave it at that. |
| [20:55:52] | gbee: | well good luck |
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| [20:56:35] | ** iamlindoro looked up australian emigration the other day ** | |
| [20:56:47] | gbee: | I say that, but we all need the luck – as events over the last 10 years have proved, the whole world has a vested interest in who becomes President of your country :( |
| [21:00:08] | btQuark: | i'm getting a 252 error on my testrecording for the transcode |
| [21:00:10] | XLV: | the recent economic crysis in US was truly the icing in the cake for the rest of the world... at least the republicans havent yet voted for buying the losses of wall street sharks.. while eu assholes have no problem doing without much thought |
| [21:02:04] | btQuark: | ...installing a frontend on my machine... |
| [21:03:26] | wagnerrp: | koala_man: there is a script to automatically scan for metadata from tvrage, and pull screen caps |
| [21:03:37] | wagnerrp: | but there is no such automation for the imdb scripts |
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| [21:06:30] | Dagmar: | XLV: I'm sorry. Are you a professor of economics? |
| [21:07:04] | justinh: | btQuark: sounds like profiles need to be set up to me |
| [21:07:54] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you could learn how to spell 'c-r-i-s-i-s' before trolling again. |
| [21:09:17] | justinh: | I'm sure whatever happens our money's all down the shitter anyway :) |
| [21:09:39] | btQuark: | justinh yeah, good idea |
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| [21:14:36] | Wicked: | so i just went into the comcast service center and requested a box with firewire.....the lady had no idea what that was...so i inspected one and it had firewire....its a SA4250HDC...im hoping it will work....but the bitch is...i cant find my firewire cable. |
| [21:14:41] | Wicked: | guess its off to best buy |
| [21:15:07] | justinh: | wear goggles so you have a chance of leaving with your eyes still in their sockets |
| [21:20:43] | btQuark: | the frontend looks nice |
| [21:20:50] | btQuark: | especially with a new theme |
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| [21:28:05] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hi all |
| [21:28:30] | noaxess_kubuntu: | how do i check if v4l-dvb is installed? |
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| [21:28:48] | iamlindoro: | By seeing if your DVB cards work? |
| [21:29:09] | iamlindoro: | v4l-dvb is the project name overarching all of the digital tuner drivers |
| [21:29:41] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: hm.. cause my problem is my saa7146 card.. i won't work anymore.. :( |
| [21:30:15] | iamlindoro: | The the problem is that that driver isn't installed, a newer driver got installed that broke it, or missing firmware, presumably |
| [21:30:20] | iamlindoro: | I would seek help in #linuxtv |
| [21:30:32] | Dagmar: | ...or #kubuntu |
| [21:30:55] | iamlindoro: | or #my-pants-are-on-fire |
| [21:31:01] | iamlindoro: | wait, not that last one |
| [21:31:14] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hey.. please.. |
| [21:31:24] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i have search around for my problem. and no help. |
| [21:31:26] | iamlindoro: | But the first two are good choices |
| [21:31:32] | noaxess_kubuntu: | even in wen, forums nowhere .. |
| [21:31:40] | noaxess_kubuntu: | web^ |
| [21:31:42] | Dagmar: | Nonsense |
| [21:31:49] | Dagmar: | Ubuntu people complain about everything on forums |
| [21:31:53] | iamlindoro: | Nobody is saying you haven't search,ed just that the channel aimed at your specific problem is #linuxtv |
| [21:32:12] | Dagmar: | You could probably find complaint reports about aliens stealing someone's sheep from their hard drive if you look hard enough |
| [21:32:34] | iamlindoro: | I blame the Intrepid Ibex |
| [21:32:36] | btQuark: | ...some other question on the epg-guide-data |
| [21:32:58] | btQuark: | does one still need mythfilldatabase and the xmltv grabbers with a dvb card? |
| [21:33:09] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Do you think they'll have the cojones to call the next one Jovial Jackass? |
| [21:33:12] | dustybin: | my sister and her boyfriend are downstairs listening to some music via mythmusic. do i A) ssh into the box and pkill mythfrontend B) ssh into the box and shutdown -h now or C) install some kind of text to speech software and say some funny comments |
| [21:33:36] | iamlindoro: | btQuark, If you have EIT like most of the world (read, a few days only) then you will likely want to use a grabber instead |
| [21:33:36] | squidly: | dustybin: I say text to speach |
| [21:33:37] | btQuark: | because for this nice country there a not too much xmltv grabbers that work without pain |
| [21:33:40] | Dagmar: | dustybin: If the OSD were a little more flexible, I'd use that |
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| [21:33:53] | Dagmar: | the OSD overlay can be a lot of fun, used improperly. |
| [21:33:59] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Presumably you want her to *not* think you are a fucking loser, right?\ |
| [21:34:05] | btQuark: | imlindoro : by eit you mean the standard dvb epg? |
| [21:34:06] | dustybin: | Dagmar: im not sure what the OSD overlay is |
| [21:34:11] | iamlindoro: | And you want her to *continue* to use this mythbox? |
| [21:34:15] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: :P |
| [21:34:19] | btQuark: | i usually have ~7 days |
| [21:34:20] | Dagmar: | dustybin: it's the thing that puts callerID information on the screen when you're trying to watch a movie |
| [21:34:31] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [21:34:33] | Dagmar: | Just run alsamixer and start decrementing the volume |
| [21:34:36] | iamlindoro: | btQuark, By EIT I mean EIT, which is where the EPG listings come from if you use, you guessed it, EIT. |
| [21:34:39] | btQuark: | and i wonder if i could get more or more details |
| [21:34:46] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, don't be a fucking jackass |
| [21:35:00] | iamlindoro: | getting people to adopt homebrew stuff is hard enough |
| [21:35:13] | iamlindoro: | btQuark, No, you cannot get any more than what is sent |
| [21:35:19] | iamlindoro: | without using a grabber/XMLtv |
| [21:35:34] | btQuark: | jup, that why i tried to get xmltv running |
| [21:35:38] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: no i wont but i have ssh'd into it, the temps are looking nice: |
| [21:35:41] | dustybin: | Board Temp: +45.8°C (low = -127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) |
| [21:35:43] | dustybin: | CPU Temp: +47.0°C (low = -127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) |
| [21:35:53] | btQuark: | but here we got those only prismgrabber |
| [21:35:54] | gbee: | Dagmar: at least Jackass is a creature, Jackalope is imaginary |
| [21:36:08] | btQuark: | and that wrapper around the vdr-xmltv-grabbers |
| [21:36:11] | charles: | Hi all, I'm trying to export a recording to a DVD. When I select "do not encode" The process stop. The error is : Encoding profile (NONE) not found. I wonder why ? My recording are already in DVD format (mpeg2...) |
| [21:36:15] | iamlindoro: | btQuark, I'm fairly confident there is more than one grabber for .de |
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| [21:36:18] | justinh: | and Jackanory is what they're going to call the mythtv install guide :P |
| [21:36:19] | btQuark: | and they all end up hanging themself |
| [21:36:36] | btQuark: | because the websites they grab dont like beiing grabbed |
| [21:36:40] | gbee: | ho-ho-ho |
| [21:36:41] | Dagmar: | charles: ECRAZYUSER error |
| [21:36:41] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I'm sure the issue is XMLtv and not the user. |
| [21:36:42] | iamlindoro: | Yup. |
| [21:36:49] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: any idea how to find out, if there is a missing firmware? |
| [21:37:01] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu, Please seek help for this in #linuxtv instead |
| [21:37:06] | charles: | what's ECRAZYUSER ? |
| [21:37:07] | iamlindoro: | this is the wrong channel |
| [21:37:13] | Dagmar: | charles: It means you've lost your mind. |
| [21:37:23] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ok |
| [21:37:23] | dustybin: | little do they know that i just ssh'd into their box hehe |
| [21:37:25] | Dagmar: | MPG2 does not automatically mean "DVD format" |
| [21:37:38] | btQuark: | should i try xmltv-grabbers with cron & they grabber itself or invoked by mythtv and mythfilldatabase? |
| [21:37:41] | charles: | I know, my resolution is correct too... |
| [21:37:42] | Dagmar: | DVD format is a very specific set of parameters for MPG |
| [21:38:01] | Dagmar: | ...these are not the same parameters your machine is likely encoding for when it records stuff. |
| [21:38:02] | dustybin: | can most DVD players / recorders also play normal cds ? |
| [21:38:22] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Weirdly, the *cheaper* they are, the more likely they'll play anything you throw at them |
| [21:38:23] | iamlindoro: | yes, most can. |
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| [21:38:47] | Dagmar: | $30 AMW and Apex players will play almost anything including OGG |
| [21:38:48] | dustybin: | because the frontend has a dvd player, wasnt too sure if it can play CDs so my sister can rip her own music |
| [21:38:51] | charles: | so, this message : Encoding profile (NONE) is a way myth tells me my recording are not in the correct format ? |
| [21:39:07] | Dagmar: | Spend $100 on a DVD player, odds get low. Spend $300 on one and it damn well better |
| [21:39:18] | btQuark: | i wondered what that rtjpeg is... |
| [21:39:22] | Dagmar: | charles: It means you've selected NO encoding profile. |
| [21:39:41] | charles: | indeed, that's what I wanted : no encoding profile |
| [21:39:50] | btQuark: | i probably would want my recording transcoded to proper xvid in .avi instead of some funky nuv-container with rtjpe |
| [21:39:51] | btQuark: | g |
| [21:39:59] | Dagmar: | Except your recordings aren't likelt to play without being converted. |
| [21:40:02] | btQuark: | or is rtjpeg rather something like ffmpeg |
| [21:40:08] | charles: | this is absurd : not finding no encoding profile... |
| [21:40:33] | Dagmar: | No, it's just smarter than you are. |
| [21:40:50] | charles: | I doubt that, this is just a software |
| [21:41:29] | Dagmar: | Considering I've been telling you do likely need to transcode the video and you're ignoring me, I begin to doubt it. |
| [21:41:59] | charles: | I'm only trying to understand the error message, I realized I need to encode it.... |
| [21:42:04] | iamlindoro: | What dagmar is telling oyu is, just being in MPEg-2 is NOT enough to make in DVD complaint |
| [21:42:14] | iamlindoro: | You *must* enable transcode for it to do so |
| [21:42:40] | charles: | thanks then :-) |
| [21:42:47] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [21:43:06] | iamlindoro: | PS, DVD format is crap. |
| [21:43:14] | iamlindoro: | Bye charles!!! |
| [21:44:29] | ** iamlindoro watches trunk compile for the 3000th time this week from scratch ** | |
| [21:44:44] | XLV: | Dagmar, they have screwed up so much you dont need to be a professor of economics to read the events atm |
| [21:45:09] | Dagmar: | XLV: Then explain how it's "icing on the cake" |
| [21:45:21] | Dagmar: | 'cuz to me it sounds like trash talking |
| [21:45:55] | XLV: | Dagmar, after afganistan, iraq, etc etc, i consider it to be so |
| [21:46:18] | Dagmar: | Ah, so you have no problem celebrating bad things happening to other people |
| [21:47:30] | Dagmar: | Allow me to auggest that it has jack and shit to do with those other events you don't like, because the US people, who you're blaming, have little to no control over any of the events you consider to be just cause. |
| [21:49:10] | XLV: | Dagmar, i dont celebrate any bad things happening to other people, and i very much think people in the US have much control over all those events.. they elected and supported the neocons |
| [21:49:14] | Dagmar: | You might as well have a little party the next time Taiwan gets wracked with tropical storms because they were engaged in price fixing of RAM awhile back |
| [21:49:49] | Dagmar: | XLV: ...and yet people wonder where the phrase "eurotrash" comes from |
| [21:50:17] | XLV: | well, at least we dont have our heads in our asses and know whats going on |
| [21:50:22] | Dagmar: | Sure you do. |
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| [21:50:47] | justinh: | well, at least you think you know what's going on, and that's what really matters |
| [21:50:50] | Dagmar: | If your head wasn't up your ass you would realize that elections come down to "person I'd least hate to see in office" |
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| [21:51:48] | justinh: | and if I had any idea Tony Blair would've turned into the prize dick he ended up being I definitely wouldn't have voted for the c*** |
| [21:52:21] | directhex: | Dagmar, ooh, ooh, i know! |
| [21:52:35] | XLV: | Dagmar, neocons didnt came from non existant into whitehouse overnight, nor they were bread only in Washington DC. people have locally much stronger influence |
| [21:52:43] | directhex: | Dagmar, the word came from http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/show . . . rotrash.html ! |
| [21:52:47] | iamlindoro: | mmmm, Bread |
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| [21:52:58] | Dagmar: | XLV: Yes, it's called "corrupt politicians in epic proportions" |
| [21:53:06] | directhex: | iamlindoro's new year sucks. |
| [21:53:12] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:53:20] | Dagmar: | ...and no, we don't have that kind of influence. |
| [21:53:21] | iamlindoro: | L'shan'ah Tovah! |
| [21:53:39] | Dagmar: | The only way we get that kind of influence is by "voting with a bullet" which is generally frowned upon. |
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| [21:54:07] | justinh: | generally :D |
| [21:54:13] | XLV: | Dagmar, you could start by showing up in election day at a >50% percentage |
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| [21:54:19] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I'll live on the beach in Oz next year and get sweet sweet DVB-T |
| [21:54:21] | justinh: | but come the revolution... |
| [21:54:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, we took a different view on it about 200 years ago. Hopefully it won't be needed again, but time will tell. |
| [21:54:48] | Dagmar: | XLV: You could start by not shooting your mouth off about things you don't understand. |
| [21:54:54] | dustybin: | im in the process of backing up my frontend with tar, how could i incorporate 'date' with the filename? |
| [21:55:01] | justinh: | in some ways I hope it happens again – but for the fact it'll affect us here too |
| [21:55:01] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [21:55:02] | dustybin: | tar cvzpf /mnt/backup/system/sysbackup_mythtvfrontend <DATE> |
| [21:55:04] | Dagmar: | cuz, hey, *I*'ve been showing up for the things |
| [21:55:12] | kormoc: | this isn't #politicalshit |
| [21:55:36] | XLV: | anyhow, things are starting to bite your ass too now.. rising gas prices, some millions will lose their homes etc etc, maybe you'll wise up |
| [21:55:43] | justinh: | it's as off-topic as it always is |
| [21:55:45] | Dagmar: | dustybin: echo "file`date`name". Run it. |
| [21:55:58] | dustybin: | Dagmar: ok cheers |
| [21:56:05] | Dagmar: | XLV: Welcome to the ignore list, eurotrash kid. |
| [21:56:11] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
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| [21:56:22] | kormoc: | justinh, I know, I just try to keep it from getting too far out of hand |
| [21:56:25] | ** btQuark laughs ** | |
| [21:56:46] | XLV: | Dagmar, no, dont do that, i want to talk with ignorant USers |
| [21:56:51] | dustybin: | Dagmar: ill use some date switches to make it nice and simple |
| [21:57:30] | justinh: | sure, as much as you can depend on nobody reading the topic, or doing their own research of any kind :) |
| [21:58:14] | kormoc: | XLV, stop it. He made it clear he doesn't want to discuss it more. Don't provoke it any more. |
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| [21:58:33] | btQuark: | i just ran mythfrontend and clicked around the transcoding profile settings some bit |
| [21:58:38] | justinh: | awww bless the guy whose mythbackend starts too early. people use that sass kengee word far too loosely these days |
| [21:58:54] | XLV: | kormoc, well, he certainly used unprovoking language too |
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| [21:59:02] | iamlindoro: | justinh, yeah, saw that |
| [21:59:05] | btQuark: | would that entitle me to have the transcoding profiles inited now to be able to use that via webinterface? |
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| [22:00:32] | btQuark: | i wonder if the osd is available in higher resolutions too |
| [22:00:47] | btQuark: | because my frontend will run on a fullhd-display |
| [22:01:00] | btQuark: | and currently it looks a little pixelized |
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| [22:01:33] | iamlindoro: | If an OSD theme is designed for HD, it will be HD. |
| [22:01:44] | iamlindoro: | If it's not, that graphics will simply be stretched |
| [22:02:00] | iamlindoro: | although myth will happily run in 1080p, regardless |
| [22:02:14] | btQuark: | k |
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| [22:04:18] | btQuark: | is there some overview over the keystrokes when using it with a standard keyboard? |
| [22:04:49] | Dagmar: | Can you see all ~100 of them? |
| [22:04:56] | Dagmar: | There's your overview. |
| [22:05:19] | Dagmar: | Beyond that there's a plugin that lets you reassign them |
| [22:05:22] | Xklark: | how do i browse the video library in XBMC? |
| [22:05:39] | Dagmar: | You start by asking in #XBMC. |
| [22:05:42] | Xklark: | when i go to videos and click on the folder that has videos shared from another computer, it justs lists the files |
| [22:05:45] | Xklark: | ... |
| [22:05:49] | btQuark: | actually not quite, where @ dagmar |
| [22:05:52] | Xklark: | oops, im sorry, wrong channel |
| [22:05:52] | Xklark: | <_< |
| [22:05:58] | Xklark: | i really appologize |
| [22:06:03] | Dagmar: | You woudln't be the first one. no big deal |
| [22:06:13] | Xklark: | i meant to click #XBMC :P |
| [22:06:23] | btQuark: | a channel forward/backward would be sufficient |
| [22:06:26] | kormoc: | btQuark, there's a keys.txt and a key's entry in the wiki that lists them |
| [22:06:37] | btQuark: | hm. well |
| [22:06:45] | btQuark: | i could have guessed that... |
| [22:07:00] | kormoc: | So why'd you ask if you didn't need to know? |
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| [22:08:30] | btQuark: | because i need to know |
| [22:09:14] | btQuark: | but i could've tried the usual stuff before – like google and wiki and so forth |
| [22:09:37] | btQuark: | thought there could've been some f1 online help or the like |
| [22:09:55] | kormoc: | Patches are always welcome |
| [22:11:13] | btQuark: | *g* |
| [22:11:29] | btQuark: | well actually i thought i'ld rather contribute web-if stuff |
| [22:12:02] | btQuark: | how much of a role does that nuv-format still play? |
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| [22:12:12] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: if you're thinking of sucking on dvb-t in .au (and becoming a citizen) be aware that voting is compulsory :) |
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| [22:15:03] | btQuark: | it actually seemed not too much people liked nuv |
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| [22:15:41] | kormoc: | btQuark, nuv worked well for when it was needed, it's just not needed too much anymore |
| [22:16:05] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, I've kinda always considered it so here |
| [22:16:15] | btQuark: | kormoc sounds good |
| [22:16:18] | iamlindoro: | personally speaking, anyway |
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| [22:17:13] | mzb_d800: | conscience or law? ;) |
| [22:18:05] | iamlindoro: | conscience |
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| [22:19:19] | btQuark: | could failing jobs (commflag, transcode) block jobs inserted into the queue later? |
| [22:19:45] | btQuark: | because there are lots of job failed listed and my new transcode job does not seem to get executed |
| [22:19:56] | mzb_d800: | if the issue was disk space, I guess |
| [22:20:30] | btQuark: | well diskspace is not the problem |
| [22:20:36] | btQuark: | there's enough |
| [22:21:54] | mzb_d800: | iow: I can't see how a job failing would stop future jobs, but the event that caused the failure would ;) |
| [22:23:48] | btQuark: | hm. well i think i'll give it some time and me some sleep |
| [22:24:09] | btQuark: | and end up reading logs |
| [22:24:23] | btQuark: | thanks a lot for your answer @all :D |
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| [22:26:36] | Wicked: | welp...i got it hooked up via firewire...i seem to get most all SD programming...but it seems to be blocking most the hd content. |
| [22:27:00] | Wicked: | in this situation...whats the best set up to get all the content? |
| [22:27:00] | iamlindoro: | Not bad |
| [22:27:19] | Dagmar: | Local channels that are broadcast in the clear can't be flagged with 5C (which is why you can't see them) by the cable company |
| [22:27:26] | iamlindoro: | Use firewire for those channels, a digital tuner for whatever is in the clear, and an analog tuner for anything else |
| [22:27:28] | Wicked: | is it possible to have firewire + svideo too? |
| [22:27:32] | iamlindoro: | up to and including the Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [22:27:41] | Wicked: | hmm ok |
| [22:27:43] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, yes, using input groups |
| [22:27:55] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, right on..ill have to look into that. |
| [22:28:30] | Wicked: | while doing the p2p firewire test it passed everytime...but the broadcast connection failed everysingle one |
| [22:29:09] | iamlindoro: | That just means you use p2p, no big deal |
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| [22:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindor: Which ticket has your patch in it for the replex stuff ? |
| [22:31:59] | iamlindoro: | #2077 |
| [22:32:30] | iamlindoro: | Thanks |
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| [22:34:39] | dabone: | I've got a quick question that I'm not sure how to phrase for a search. I would like to remove the delete item from the media playback menu. (i.e. kids finish watching a movie on the server, the menu comes up and has a delete option on it. I'd like to remove that option). |
| [22:35:01] | dabone: | I'm running mythbuntu with .21 of mythtv |
| [22:35:31] | GreyFoxx: | dabon: I don't think the liste elements are themed, so you likely require code changes |
| [22:35:48] | dabone: | I could mount the shares readonly, but to I'd like to not have to. |
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| [22:36:11] | riddlebox: | I have created a second video source so one tuner only has access to certain channels and another tuner has access to the rest, but for some reason myth tries to use both tuners to record shows on all channels? Is there something else I have to do? |
| [22:36:18] | GreyFoxx: | :q |
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| [22:37:00] | Wicked: | hmm my local fox hd..sure as hell doesnt look like hd. |
| [22:37:35] | Wicked: | do they only broadcast in hd sometimes? its playing malcom in the middle and it looks no different then the non hd fox |
| [22:37:57] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, yes, only sometimes |
| [22:38:09] | iamlindoro: | Well, the signal is always HD, but it would be stretched up |
| [22:38:18] | iamlindoro: | So it wouldn't look much different |
| [22:38:22] | Wicked: | hmm ok. it looked grainy and non hd |
| [22:38:33] | iamlindoro: | Doubtful that much daytime TV on fox would be real HD |
| [22:38:47] | Wicked: | right. |
| [22:39:24] | Wicked: | so this isnt too bad..i get every SD channel(that i watch at least) and most the HD stuff(no premium channels though :( ) |
| [22:39:41] | iamlindoro: | That's pretty good, and well above par for the course :) |
| [22:39:43] | Wicked: | but i get like discovery HD and stuff like that |
| [22:39:50] | Wicked: | awesome |
| [22:40:03] | iamlindoro: | Now you'll get spoiled by all digital |
| [22:40:04] | Wicked: | but knowing my luck...tomorrow they will enable 5c |
| [22:40:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:40:12] | iamlindoro: | Then you'll buy an HD-PVR :) |
| [22:40:54] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, ....2 weeks ago every channel i had was fuzzy and looked like crap.....then we got digital boxes and the cable guy added new splitters and drop amps.... |
| [22:40:58] | Wicked: | kinda got the bug then |
| [22:40:59] | Wicked: | ;-o |
| [22:41:18] | Wicked: | now..i have freaking hd |
| [22:41:19] | Wicked: | lol |
| [22:42:11] | Wicked: | now i just need to figure out how to hook both the firewire and svideo up |
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| [22:52:46] | Wicked: | hmm so i went in and added my pvr-150 to the card list(so there was the firewire and pvr-150) selected cable(my channels from scheduledirect) and now mythfrontend cant connect to the backend |
| [22:53:16] | Wicked: | saying its failing to prime |
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| [22:57:04] | Dagmar: | Changes to hardware require you stop and restart the backend. |
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| [23:00:35] | Wicked: | right. thats where it says failed to prime |
| [23:02:06] | iamlindoro: | priming is a term related to firewire, sounds like you have some init script that tries to prime your connection while starting the backend |
| [23:02:15] | iamlindoro: | I would change to another channel on your cable box |
| [23:02:22] | iamlindoro: | or better yet, remove that stupid clause |
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| [23:03:50] | Wicked: | well i edited the init script. |
| [23:03:54] | Wicked: | i removed one condition |
| [23:03:57] | iamlindoro: | well *why*? |
| [23:04:00] | Wicked: | that was recomended to remove |
| [23:04:05] | Wicked: | in a howto for ubuntu |
| [23:04:13] | iamlindoro: | If it's related to firewire priming, that was silly |
| [23:04:26] | iamlindoro: | Because, well... *this* happens |
| [23:04:29] | Wicked: | let me find the page |
| [23:04:39] | iamlindoro: | being unable to start the backend because you can't prime firewire is *bad* |
| [23:04:40] | Wicked: | well it worked after i did it |
| [23:04:48] | iamlindoro: | then yo uwere on a channel that would prime |
| [23:04:48] | Wicked: | i edited..it worked..... |
| [23:04:57] | ** iamlindoro refuses to argue about it ** | |
| [23:04:57] | Wicked: | then i tried to add my pvr and it failed |
| [23:05:02] | Wicked: | lol |
| [23:05:03] | Wicked: | ok |
| [23:05:06] | iamlindoro: | I have already explained this |
| [23:05:10] | Wicked: | let me manually change it |
| [23:05:25] | iamlindoro: | You are on a channel that won't prime. Do you want your whole myth system to not start if that's the case? No. Case closed. |
| [23:05:25] | Wicked: | the channel that is |
| [23:07:10] | Wicked: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire |
| [23:07:31] | Wicked: | the Editing the Backend Init Script part |
| [23:07:37] | iamlindoro: | See the GIGANTO thing at the top in bold? |
| [23:07:40] | Wicked: | is what i edited. |
| [23:07:42] | Wicked: | yes |
| [23:07:43] | Wicked: | lol |
| [23:08:10] | iamlindoro: | Yeah. So.... why would you trust an out of date crap ubuntu wiki for a version you are not using over the myth wiki which is actually *correct* and would never advise something so silly? |
| [23:08:37] | iamlindoro: | The backend being unable to start because a single tuner is having issues = retarded |
| [23:08:41] | Wicked: | im a idiot? lol |
| [23:08:58] | iamlindoro: | Whoever wrote that stuff on that ubuntu page is a moron |
| [23:09:09] | Wicked: | it was the 1st howto i came across....kinda jumped the gun i guess...was exited to get it hooked up |
| [23:09:14] | iamlindoro: | *especially* with such a volatile source as firewire |
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| [23:11:12] | sphery: | Isn't sasc a forbidden topic on the list? (Or, is there any legal use for sasc-ng?) |
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| [23:11:22] | iamlindoro: | yep, forbidden last I checked |
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| [23:11:35] | kormoc: | sphery, it is |
| [23:11:37] | sphery: | just wondering because there's a thread where people are discussing it... |
| [23:11:56] | sphery: | "Mythbackend starts too early." |
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| [23:14:20] | Wicked: | anyone know about the video settings in the STB? i see picture formate...and i can select a few things: fixed,upconvert-1,upconvert-2,and pass through....what do these do? |
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| [23:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | Wicked: Nothing, as far as firewire is concerned |
| [23:15:25] | Wicked: | ah ok. what would they do normally? |
| [23:15:29] | iamlindoro_: | And likely nothing as far as SD outputs are concerned, either |
| [23:15:32] | fryfrog: | Wicked: yar, what he said. with firewire, you just get the digital signal they send. |
| [23:15:35] | Wicked: | isnt upconveting...upping quality |
| [23:15:43] | fryfrog: | no, it is faking it |
| [23:15:43] | iamlindoro_: | uhhhhh no |
| [23:15:51] | Wicked: | well scalling it to like 720 |
| [23:15:54] | Wicked: | *scaling |
| [23:15:57] | iamlindoro_: | it's stretching it and doing it's best not to make the stretch look like shit |
| [23:16:03] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:16:09] | fryfrog: | upconverting takes a signal X and changes it to signal Y, it has to make up all that extra data some how. |
| [23:16:19] | directhex: | voodoo |
| [23:16:26] | fryfrog: | yup, voodoo! |
| [23:16:31] | jjwin2k: | is there a fuse (or whatever) plugin that allows me to browse mythtv's media library? |
| [23:16:33] | fryfrog: | its the blue smoke :) |
| [23:16:36] | kormoc: | the magical data elves are smashed into binary data you see |
| [23:16:48] | directhex: | yes, AFAIK there's a fuse mythtv fs |
| [23:16:56] | fryfrog: | wow, really? |
| [23:17:44] | ** iamlindoro_ hates the question "really?" ** | |
| [23:17:58] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [23:18:14] | jjwin2k: | ah silly me, should have used the wiki ... thx |
| [23:18:20] | directhex: | YA RLY! |
| [23:18:32] | fryfrog: | neat :) |
| [23:18:54] | directhex: | but mythvideo stuff isn't in it, since mythvideo stuff isn't "normal" myth content |
| [23:19:32] | jjwin2k: | directhex: yeah, i see. maybe i'll code it myself.. |
| [23:19:33] | dustybin: | check out this cool backing up script i wrote: |
| [23:19:35] | dustybin: | http://pastebin.com/m79e767dc |
| [23:19:57] | dustybin: | tar 0wns when backing up systems |
| [23:20:26] | directhex: | not really |
| [23:20:53] | dustybin: | i was waiting for a negative comment and i got one :-) |
| [23:20:54] | jjwin2k: | real men use lvm-snapshots :) |
| [23:20:56] | ** iamlindoro_ is happy a four line bash script gives dustybin a feeling of accomplishment ** | |
| [23:21:17] | Dagmar: | You want me to show him mine? |
| [23:21:18] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [23:21:23] | fryfrog: | is the fuse mythtvfs just for display? or can you sort of manage recordings that way? ie: remove a file in the fuse fs and it gets properly removed from myth? |
| [23:21:40] | kormoc: | fryfrog, just for looks |
| [23:21:40] | jjwin2k: | fryfrog: http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/mythtvfs-fuse/ |
| [23:21:44] | dustybin: | Dagmar: ill show you mine if you show me yours |
| [23:21:58] | fryfrog: | jjwin2k: i was looking at that, but it didn't really say |
| [23:22:08] | jjwin2k: | fryfrog: ah ok sry |
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| [23:22:20] | fryfrog: | well, i mean it does say for sure that it displays em all nice and pretty |
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| [23:22:35] | Wicked: | what would i look for when looking on the wiki to set up firewire + svideo? |
| [23:22:39] | fryfrog: | but i couldn't find anything about doing things besides reading (which probably implies it doesnt) |
| [23:22:49] | fryfrog: | Wicked: why would you setup firewire *and* svideo? |
| [23:23:00] | fryfrog: | or do you just want fw to change channel, svideo to record? |
| [23:23:00] | Wicked: | not all the firewire channels work |
| [23:23:04] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [23:23:22] | Wicked: | would like to switch between the two...like hbo and showtime wont work over firewire.... |
| [23:23:26] | fryfrog: | not sure if there is a wiki page, but it'd probably involve setting up two recorders that are depentant on eachother |
| [23:23:33] | fryfrog: | and two line ups |
| [23:23:36] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: i always thought justinh was the most negative person here, you are now way ahead :P |
| [23:23:57] | iamlindoro_: | Yay, I won a thing! |
| [23:24:00] | jjwin2k: | i want a fuse-plugin tha allows me (or other users via smb) to browse the media-library |
| [23:24:14] | fryfrog: | well, not "dependant" but... mutually exclusive |
| [23:24:28] | fryfrog: | ie, if myth is using svideo to record, it can't go and try firewire. |
| [23:24:31] | kormoc: | jjwin2k, why use fuse if you want over samba anyway? |
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| [23:24:50] | elprespufferfish: | any ideas why i cant see any icons in the mythfrontend menu? |
| [23:24:51] | fryfrog: | jjwin2k: couldn't you accomplish that with smb and mythrename.pl? |
| [23:25:01] | fryfrog: | elprespufferfish: eyes closed? :) |
| [23:25:14] | jjwin2k: | yeah. but i want a virtual file systen |
| [23:25:17] | fryfrog: | but for serious, maybe you are using opengl mode and it doesn't like it? |
| [23:25:26] | elprespufferfish: | fryfrog, i'm using the QT painter |
| [23:25:29] | fryfrog: | switch to QT, which you can do ... |
| [23:25:30] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [23:25:36] | fryfrog: | i fail :) |
| [23:25:44] | jjwin2k: | so u could open a folder "sorted by album", "sorted by artist", etc. |
| [23:25:52] | kormoc: | could, you know... read the logs |
| [23:26:02] | elprespufferfish: | there aren't any errors in the logs |
| [23:26:04] | kormoc: | jjwin2k, you're likely gonna need to write it |
| [23:26:12] | dustybin: | there you go, perfik: |
| [23:26:13] | dustybin: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93 2008-10–01 00:22 mythtvfrontend_2008-10–01_00h19m_error.log |
| [23:26:15] | dustybin: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 899232209 2008-10–01 00:25 mythtvfrontend_2008-10–01_00h19m.tgz |
| [23:26:16] | jjwin2k: | yep, i figured that much. :) |
| [23:26:17] | kormoc: | elprespufferfish, what bout the frontend's stdout and/or stderr |
| [23:26:26] | kormoc: | dustybin, why do we care? |
| [23:26:40] | elprespufferfish: | kormoc, i have no idea where those go on my setup |
| [23:26:44] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [23:26:51] | fryfrog: | elprespufferfish: find out, fix it! |
| [23:26:52] | dustybin: | kormoc: its important to backup |
| [23:27:01] | fryfrog: | you can use "-v help" to get good details of what to use for -v |
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| [23:27:16] | fryfrog: | and i think "-l /path/to/log/file.log" is how you send it somewhere |
| [23:27:27] | kormoc: | dustybin, sure, but why do we care about a ls of a dir in your filesystem? |
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| [23:28:04] | elprespufferfish: | fryfrog, kormoc shouldn't anything go to the log anyways? |
| [23:28:26] | fryfrog: | elprespufferfish: i don't know what you mean. |
| [23:28:33] | kormoc: | elprespufferfish, depends on what your package or you set it up to do |
| [23:28:41] | elprespufferfish: | fryfrog, i'm starting mythfrontend with -l /var/..../log |
| [23:28:53] | elprespufferfish: | so i would think that anything that would go to stdout/stderr would be redirected |
| [23:29:02] | fryfrog: | yup, should be |
| [23:29:04] | kormoc: | elprespufferfish, a different log file then the backend's log file? |
| [23:29:05] | fryfrog: | i do the same thing |
| [23:29:12] | jjwin2k: | would somebody else be interested in this kind of filesystem? |
| [23:29:14] | elprespufferfish: | kormoc, yes |
| [23:29:23] | fryfrog: | i have /var/log/mythtv/frontend.log and backend.log |
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| [23:29:32] | elprespufferfish: | fryfrog, exactly |
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| [23:35:33] | dustybin: | blist all |
| [23:36:34] | sphery: | <@root> sphery sphery msn Online |
| [23:36:55] | sphery: | Guess your bitlbee is faster than I am. Might want to ask it next time... :) |
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| [23:39:43] | Honk: | euhh.. why does mythtv on my client (havent used that one in a while, but kept it up to date anyway) start playing livetv immediately? |
| [23:39:54] | Honk: | no menu :| |
| [23:40:36] | iamlindoro: | because you're running mythtv |
| [23:40:42] | jjwin2k: | you started mythtv not mythfrontend? |
| [23:40:48] | Honk: | d'oh! |
| [23:41:02] | sphery: | lol |
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| [23:41:14] | sphery: | nice guessing guys. |
| [23:41:17] | Honk: | it's been a while since I started mythtv manually :] |
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| [23:42:57] | jjwin2k: | woohoo java bindings for fuse lol |
| [23:43:29] | sphery: | why? for creating a filesystem implementation using Java? |
| [23:43:59] | jjwin2k: | dunno for the c-impaired? |
| [23:44:48] | Dagmar: | we tah dead |
| [23:44:49] | Wicked: | hmm...so i created a new input group...added both the firewire and pvr-150 to it.....but now the firewire doesnt work....it cant get a lock on the channel...this is when i start mythtv on a known channel that works(fox) |
| [23:45:26] | Dagmar: | I've got news for you... The PVR-150 doesn't do "locks" |
| [23:45:34] | iamlindoro: | Your PVR-150 can't prevent firewire from working. You need to prime your connection properly. |
| [23:45:41] | iamlindoro: | go back and read the myth wiki on firewire |
| [23:46:10] | iamlindoro: | meaning compile firewire_tester, and use that to prime your connection |
| [23:46:24] | Wicked: | oh ok. i have that compiled |
| [23:49:19] | jjwin2k: | damn it the fuse wiki is down... |
| [23:49:27] | Wicked: | hmm weird...now the firewire_tester is failing on the same test that worked before |
| [23:50:27] | iamlindoro: | 5C is not per channel, it's per program, just so you know |
| [23:51:04] | Wicked: | hmm..before all p2p tests passed..now everyone fails. |
| [23:51:38] | jjwin2k: | Wicked: dmesg? |
| [23:52:13] | iamlindoro: | jjwin2k, firewire priming information doesn't go to dmesg |
| [23:52:20] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/m6faf43d6 |
| [23:52:58] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, That output is from when you were watching TV, and is fine |
| [23:53:32] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, try firewire_tester -p -n (yournodenumberhere) -r 5 |
| [23:53:47] | iamlindoro: | and wait for it to finish |
| [23:53:51] | Wicked: | ok |
| [23:53:55] | iamlindoro: | if not, try other channels and try again |
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| [23:55:36] | Wicked: | all fail iamlindoro |
| [23:55:53] | Wicked: | b4 i ran it and all passed...i even did -r 15 and it passed everyone |
| [23:57:13] | iamlindoro: | bad times |
| [23:57:27] | iamlindoro: | pull the plug on the cable box |
| [23:57:29] | Wicked: | is it possilbe they nuked my firewire allready? |
| [23:57:34] | iamlindoro: | wait a minute, put it back in |
| [23:57:39] | Wicked: | ok |
| [23:57:41] | iamlindoro: | turn on the box, try again |
| [23:57:52] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, Box policies aren't sent out to single individuals |
| [23:58:02] | iamlindoro: | They're controlled for entire classes of boxes at the headend |
| [23:58:05] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:58:21] | iamlindoro: | they can't turn off just your firewire without writing a custom policy for you, which would require an engineer... so doubtful. |
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