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| [00:01:02] | directhex: | iamlindoro, well, i doubt the campaign will be giving the university of mississippi the $5.5m they're demanding if he pulls out |
| [00:01:09] | directhex: | i'm sure we'll get SOMETHING televised |
| [00:01:23] | directhex: | and his "suspended" campaign is still running at full speed |
| [00:01:28] | iamlindoro: | Heh, exactly |
| [00:01:42] | iamlindoro: | Well, if there's no debate, Obama's "town hall" will likely be televised |
| [00:02:34] | directhex: | can someone explain to me why anyone wants one of the keating 5 to drop everything in order to invite himself to meetings on handing cash to failed institutions? |
| [00:02:59] | ** directhex almost bought home contents insurance from aig today, then put down the bong ^_^ ** | |
| [00:04:04] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Americans, by and large, don't give a shit about the stupidity of any candidate... McCain could eat baby blood to keep his heart pumping and he'd still get the religious right's vote because he's not a scary "San Francisco Liberal" |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | nor is he black |
| [00:04:52] | iamlindoro: | Literally. McPalin can do *anything* and it won't change the minds of people who will vote for them |
| [00:05:48] | directhex: | you guys are messed up. |
| [00:06:28] | iamlindoro: | and, to be fair, that's often quite true of liberals. I would never vote for a pro-life candidate, nor someone who would give power to the religious fundamentalists, so... even with a shit democratic candidate, I would still vote for them. |
| [00:06:42] | iamlindoro: | eg Kerry |
| [00:07:03] | directhex: | kewrry failed to capitalise on his assets |
| [00:07:10] | directhex: | e.g. free ketchup for every citizen |
| [00:07:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [00:07:35] | iamlindoro: | directhex, We are (and will for a very very long time continue to be) a country profoundly divided |
| [00:08:08] | directhex: | a genuine third party might help, purely because it'd harder to hold bi-polar opinions |
| [00:08:22] | iamlindoro: | Those of us living in cities and coastal areas (mostly) go "There is no way the country is stupid enough to vote for this assclown." And the people in the rural areas all go "There ain't no way people are gonna vote a scary black man into office." |
| [00:08:40] | tjcarter: | directhex: I personally think we're screwed no matter who is elected. |
| [00:08:45] | iamlindoro: | And we all *believe* the majority of the country can't be stupid enough to be the opposite |
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| [00:09:05] | tjcarter: | directhex: However, th Internet at large disagrees. |
| [00:09:16] | tjcarter: | Of course, the Internet at large thinks MoveOn is non-partisan. |
| [00:09:18] | tjcarter: | ... |
| [00:09:38] | directhex: | moveon are no longer relevant |
| [00:09:49] | directhex: | they were part of the kerry campaign, not the obama campaign |
| [00:10:56] | tjcarter: | directhex: they are relevant because the people who think they were in the middle are not going to vote for any republican, ever. |
| [00:11:28] | tjcarter: | the democrat could be the flippin' antichrist and they'd vote for him |
| [00:11:41] | tjcarter: | consequently, Obama's not Jewish, so it's not him. ;) |
| [00:11:41] | directhex: | some people think this one is |
| [00:11:48] | directhex: | i think it was something like 1 in 6, in some states |
| [00:13:49] | tjcarter: | Christian scriptures say that the Christ was Jewish, and so will be the Antichrist. |
| [00:14:16] | tjcarter: | Islamic scriptures have different views |
| [00:14:20] | directhex: | yeah, but how many evangelicals have any idea what the bible says? |
| [00:14:33] | tjcarter: | Jewish scriptures don't have a view on that one |
| [00:14:50] | tjcarter: | well that's another problem: Please back away from the fundies ;) |
| [00:14:53] | wagnerrp: | scriptures also speak of people living for hundreds of years, and marrying their sisters |
| [00:14:55] | directhex: | sure they do. if "oy" counts as a view |
| [00:15:13] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [00:15:55] | tjcarter: | I'm pretty sure that's not in the bible |
| [00:16:03] | tjcarter: | Of course neither is God damn America |
| [00:16:14] | directhex: | yay for westboro! |
| [00:16:14] | tjcarter: | but what do I know, I'm white and male. |
| [00:16:37] | tjcarter: | Not only that, I'm left-handed, Catholic, and an albino |
| [00:16:57] | tjcarter: | uidoz.com/albinocode/movie.htm <-- ftw |
| [00:17:04] | wagnerrp: | a lefty... well then youre just all around evil! |
| [00:17:17] | tjcarter: | lefty, Catholic, albino |
| [00:17:19] | tjcarter: | I must be. |
| [00:17:23] | directhex: | perhaps the next president might manage in making every single country in the world bar israel and the federated states of micronesia stop viewing america as the complete asshole of the world |
| [00:17:23] | tjcarter: | 3x evil |
| [00:17:48] | tjcarter: | directhex: The rest of the world isn't gonna care if we're assholes for the next 4 years |
| [00:17:55] | wagnerrp: | bad link, uidoz.com is just a placeholder site |
| [00:18:01] | tjcarter: | directhex: it's gonna be at least that long before we matter. |
| [00:18:08] | tjcarter: | Our economy is in the shitter |
| [00:18:08] | directhex: | you think? |
| [00:18:20] | directhex: | where do you think the credit crunch fucking US up started? |
| [00:18:22] | tjcarter: | They won't give a rat's ass about us until we fix that. |
| [00:18:33] | tjcarter: | Ask Obama's financial people |
| [00:18:33] | directhex: | and another war might distress some |
| [00:18:57] | tjcarter: | Of course the war is to blame for all |
| [00:19:02] | directhex: | and don't asj one of the guys who caused the s&l scandal? |
| [00:19:05] | tjcarter: | Damn, it's all Iraq |
| [00:19:11] | tjcarter: | housing market is Iraq too |
| [00:19:38] | tjcarter: | banking practices that are basically fraud are Iraq |
| [00:20:09] | directhex: | i think yankland can count on rather fewer allies in future 'for shits & giggles' wars |
| [00:20:11] | wagnerrp: | someone better go to jail over that one |
| [00:20:16] | tjcarter: | (practices done under CEOs, bankers, and Wall St. types all part of the Obama campaign) |
| [00:20:17] | directhex: | i mean, playing hard-ball with spain of all fucking places? |
| [00:20:21] | directhex: | nato ally spain? |
| [00:20:24] | tjcarter: | Not that McCain is a whole lot better. |
| [00:20:28] | wagnerrp: | you cant unintentionally fuck up for that long |
| [00:20:31] | tjcarter: | We're fucked, period. |
| [00:20:48] | directhex: | tjcarter, no, his campaign is built from the same people, and HE, personally, tanked a bank |
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| [00:21:18] | tjcarter: | directhex: But the guys who came out of this rich are still all backing Obama |
| [00:21:40] | directhex: | not all. mccain isn't backing him! |
| [00:21:40] | tjcarter: | directhex: Obama isn't the answer, he's part of the problem, easily just as much or more than McCain |
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| [00:21:48] | tjcarter: | I'm a registered independent. |
| [00:22:07] | wagnerrp: | the problem with obama is that he has no answers, he just claims change |
| [00:22:11] | tjcarter: | I don't trust any of those bastards. |
| [00:22:19] | iamlindoro: | directhex, And the above is what will have happened if McCain ends up President |
| [00:22:32] | tjcarter: | wagnerrp: he'll give you an answer--just let him give the DNC leaders a call first.. |
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| [00:22:45] | directhex: | wagnerrp, actually, he has detailed answers. it's just convenient for the mccain campaign to pretend they don't exist in his ads |
| [00:22:53] | directhex: | they might not be the RIGHT answers, but they're out there |
| [00:23:05] | tjcarter: | wagnerrp: McCain is an idiot, but at least his decisions would be his decisions. |
| [00:23:31] | directhex: | tjcarter, you seriously believe that? nobody who's observed mccain over his career thinks he's in charge anymore |
| [00:23:38] | tjcarter: | But really, McCain's not going to be significantly better than Obama (nor significantly worse) |
| [00:23:39] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, good luck in six months when he's dead and Palin is the puppet president |
| [00:23:58] | tjcarter: | the question is, when are we screwed, and how hard? |
| [00:24:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro, miss teen south carol, um, alaska? |
| [00:24:27] | iamlindoro: | directhex, And then I'll be moving in next door |
| [00:24:27] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: I don't imagine Palin would make a good puppet |
| [00:24:37] | tjcarter: | She might not make a good president either |
| [00:24:46] | directhex: | might? |
| [00:24:49] | iamlindoro: | Uhhhh, a puppet is *all* she's been so far |
| [00:24:50] | tjcarter: | But not a good puppet I'm sure. |
| [00:25:06] | directhex: | she left a town the size of the village i grew up in millions of dollars in debt over a couple of years, and that's a MIGHT? |
| [00:25:22] | tjcarter: | Yeah, and Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor |
| [00:25:27] | tjcarter: | I've heard the rhetoric |
| [00:25:40] | tjcarter: | I'm not impressed, with any of them. |
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| [00:26:08] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Yep, there again is why we might endure another republican presiden |
| [00:26:09] | iamlindoro: | t |
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| [00:26:47] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: clearly you're an independent, right? |
| [00:27:06] | dustybin: | interesting hardware list: http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html |
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| [00:27:31] | tjcarter: | Us independents are not convinced at all regarding Obama. |
| [00:27:33] | wagnerrp: | flac actually has hardware support? |
| [00:27:39] | tjcarter: | We liked Hillary, most of us. |
| [00:28:58] | wagnerrp: | too many people loathed hillary for her to ever get elected |
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| [00:29:04] | tjcarter: | But good grief, to hear lefties bitch about McCain, you'd think he is like the evil bastard mutant child of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney |
| [00:29:09] | wagnerrp: | besides the fact that she has her own record of dirty laundry |
| [00:29:25] | tjcarter: | How that's possible given that McCain is older than both put together I don't know.. |
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| [00:30:47] | tjcarter: | wagnerrp: The issue I see is that right now, we've got a bunch of decisions looming, and all of the options are bad. |
| [00:30:57] | tjcarter: | differently bad |
| [00:30:58] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [00:31:02] | tjcarter: | but bad all the same |
| [00:31:05] | mchou: | tjcarter: think Darth Vader. "No, I am you father!" |
| [00:31:11] | dustybin: | at last, a osx music player what can play flac and doesnt look too bad: http://sbooth.org/Play/ |
| [00:31:27] | tjcarter: | iTunes can play flac ;) |
| [00:31:29] | iamlindoro: | if you think that McCain is the lesser of two evils then you had better get your head examined |
| [00:31:29] | directhex: | dustybin, banshee? |
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| [00:31:50] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: typical lefty "you're crazy if you don't agree with me" |
| [00:31:58] | dustybin: | directhex: i didnt realise that was available for os x |
| [00:32:05] | directhex: | tjcarter, we were right about bush! |
| [00:32:30] | tjcarter: | Can we get a typical righty "why do you hate America?" too? |
| [00:32:57] | directhex: | you can have a http://weebls-stuff.com/wab/Satire/ |
| [00:33:12] | tjcarter: | Basically, I think it doesn't matter who the president is |
| [00:33:31] | tjcarter: | All of the decisions to be made right now are amongst bad choices. |
| [00:33:43] | mchou: | tjcarter: bullshit. Bush waged an unnecessary war |
| [00:33:46] | iamlindoro: | typical independent snobbery and self flagellation. "Oh, I'm too independent minded to like a candidate. Down with the establishment!" |
| [00:33:57] | mchou: | tjcarter: it sure as heck matters |
| [00:33:58] | tjcarter: | My adopted brother could do that, and he's 8. And autistic. |
| [00:34:15] | tjcarter: | (Which puts him intellectually on par with the current Idiot in Chief) |
| [00:35:00] | tjcarter: | mchou: yes, he did, and he should've been impeached for doing it. |
| [00:35:02] | mchou: | tjcarter: the problem with republicans is they dont think thru the consequences |
| [00:35:17] | directhex: | the one everyone except israel and the federated states of micronesia predicted would be a douche? |
| [00:35:44] | tjcarter: | Point is that Obama CANNOT FIX THIS. |
| [00:35:50] | tjcarter: | Neither can McCain |
| [00:35:50] | directhex: | the one mccain has voted with 95.5% of the time since he got into office (beating mccain to the nomination using a campaign of nasty dirty tricks)? |
| [00:35:58] | tjcarter: | and sure as hell not Bob Barr |
| [00:35:58] | mchou: | tjcarter: in fact they pride themselves on NOT thinking things thru |
| [00:36:19] | directhex: | tjcarter, true. but there are other factors which matter to people |
| [00:36:34] | iamlindoro: | Like taking steps *toward* righting wrongs |
| [00:36:38] | mchou: | tjcarter: just because a problem seems intractable doesnt mean good solutions should not be attempted |
| [00:36:50] | tjcarter: | Ron Paul was a total wackjob, but he sounds like the freakin' oracle of delphi lately. (He's still a wackjob, and I wouldn't vote for him) |
| [00:37:34] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, let's just give the nation the finger since one presidency can't fix the problems. Maybe in eight years there'll be a presidential messiah that can fix it in a single term. |
| [00:37:39] | directhex: | i wonder when the war on spain will begin ;) |
| [00:37:42] | mchou: | tjcarter: impeach Bush?? you have to be kidding right? Then we'd have Cheney "Darth Vader" in office" |
| [00:37:44] | tjcarter: | mchou: by raising taxes, increasing spending, killing off energy development (including alternative energy development), and calling the party leadership to consult every time there's a problem? |
| [00:37:57] | tjcarter: | That's not gonna help much. |
| [00:38:06] | tjcarter: | McCain's plan won't do much better. |
| [00:38:08] | iamlindoro: | directhex, First the repubs would have to be able to find it on the map (and ask someone to see if we're friends) |
| [00:38:08] | mchou: | tjcarter: lol |
| [00:38:23] | directhex: | iamlindoro, well mccain asked and decided that you're not |
| [00:38:31] | tjcarter: | mchou: can't have wind farms, they hurt birds |
| [00:38:36] | tjcarter: | mchou: power lines cause cancer |
| [00:38:37] | iamlindoro: | directhex, oh, good news (dons fl |
| [00:38:41] | mchou: | tjcarter: We had a big SURPLUS b4 Bush took office. Look where we are now |
| [00:38:43] | iamlindoro: | (dons flak jacket) |
| [00:38:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: on which set of books? |
| [00:39:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro, he wouldn't agree to meet with the spanish president without preconditions! |
| [00:39:02] | directhex: | fo' realz |
| [00:39:13] | mchou: | tjcarter: even if you dont count Iraq drain on treasurury we're still worse off |
| [00:39:15] | tjcarter: | mchou: we had a surplus, but a very non-zero national debt |
| [00:39:24] | iamlindoro: | We've had four democratic presidents in the last fifty years... all four presided over the only periods of economic growth we've had in that time. Hmmmmmmm |
| [00:39:25] | mchou: | treasury* |
| [00:39:30] | tjcarter: | if your national debt is huge and you claim to have a surplus, you're lying. |
| [00:39:37] | iamlindoro: | directhex, heard that radio segment :) |
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| [00:40:02] | mchou: | tjcarter: has our national debt decreased since Bush took office? |
| [00:40:18] | tjcarter: | Hey, my monthly expenses are $200 less than my monthly income, I have a SURPLUS! Except I owe $46,000 in financial aid loans |
| [00:40:33] | iamlindoro: | I'd ask for a refund on that education |
| [00:40:35] | tjcarter: | Fortunately, the bank that I owe the money to won't exist in a week ;) |
| [00:40:41] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i hear hopey mcchangepants will agree to meet the leader of spain, even without forcing them to disband their army first! he's a damned appeaser! |
| [00:40:44] | mchou: | tjcarter: right wingers need to get used to the fact "there is no free lunch" |
| [00:40:45] | fryfrog: | i wish i could do my finances like the government does :p |
| [00:40:57] | tjcarter: | mchou: I am a registered independent. |
| [00:40:58] | directhex: | bailouts for fryfrog! |
| [00:41:07] | tjcarter: | mchou: Republicans are slime. |
| [00:41:16] | fryfrog: | i need more money! *print*print*print* |
| [00:41:17] | mchou: | tjcarter: no, you sound like a total republican |
| [00:41:22] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I hear he wants to, like, *talk* to our enemies. Then those naughty curs might become our *friends*! WTF?? |
| [00:41:23] | tjcarter: | mchou: Democrats are slime who are too good for the other slime. |
| [00:41:29] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: just start selling bonds on yourself! back them with your organs |
| [00:41:41] | mchou: | tjcarter: pay your fair share of taxes and get decent roads for a change |
| [00:42:05] | tjcarter: | mchou: What's my fair share of taxes? |
| [00:42:10] | mchou: | tjcarter: even Mexico has beeter roads than US |
| [00:42:18] | tjcarter: | Obama supposedly wants to CUT my taxes. |
| [00:42:28] | mchou: | tjcarter: it's more than what you're paying now, that's for sure |
| [00:42:30] | tjcarter: | they'll go up under him, but he says he's gonna cut them. |
| [00:42:50] | tjcarter: | mchou: My income is far below poverty level. |
| [00:43:19] | mchou: | tjcarter: haha, right. That's why you claim to be INDEPENDENT |
| [00:43:20] | ** centrex 's eyes bleed ** | |
| [00:43:26] | directhex: | tjcarter, how do your taxes increase if you're earning less than $250k? |
| [00:43:41] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I can already tell you this song and dance |
| [00:43:47] | tjcarter: | directhex: because I pay more than income tax. |
| [00:43:49] | directhex: | iamlindoro, taxing teh waters! |
| [00:43:52] | iamlindoro: | "He has proposed so many plans and that money has to come from somewhere" |
| [00:43:54] | mchou: | tjcarter: obama wants to raise corporate taxes and the very rich |
| [00:43:55] | tjcarter: | (my taxes should go up, actually) |
| [00:44:07] | tjcarter: | mchou: who's very rich? |
| [00:44:11] | mchou: | tjcarter: that's hardly lowering taxes |
| [00:44:25] | centrex: | all I know is McCain doesn't know where Spain is, and that scares me. |
| [00:44:36] | mchou: | tjcarter: people making over $200K/yr, iirc |
| [00:44:38] | ** directhex won't talk to mchou without preconditions ** | |
| [00:44:40] | iamlindoro: | centrex, nor if we're friends with them |
| [00:44:49] | fryfrog: | mchou: i think it is 250k |
| [00:44:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: Oh, so my sister's business.. |
| [00:44:59] | mchou: | fryfrog: well, close enough |
| [00:45:06] | tjcarter: | mchou: with its two employees. |
| [00:45:10] | fryfrog: | there is some simple little web site that'll tell you if your taxes can be expected to go up/down/stay the same |
| [00:45:18] | iamlindoro: | Uhhhh... That figure has *nothing* to do with business |
| [00:45:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro, don't interrupt him mid-flow! |
| [00:45:32] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: IRS says her business is a person |
| [00:45:39] | iamlindoro: | Business and individuals are taxed under *entirely different statutes* |
| [00:45:47] | centrex: | iamlindoro, yeah its kinda one of the important ones. Usually by high school you've gotten a little taste of spanish history and where it is. |
| [00:45:48] | tjcarter: | legally registered corporation |
| [00:45:52] | fryfrog: | yeah, seriously you have to know that? |
| [00:46:00] | tjcarter: | all the rights of citizenship and none of the responsibilities. |
| [00:46:07] | tjcarter: | Ain't capitalism grand? |
| [00:46:20] | fryfrog: | i have *no* idea what is going to happen to buisness taxes, but obviously it isn't going to be the same as what happens to personal taxes |
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| [00:46:40] | fryfrog: | how bout that bail out? |
| [00:46:51] | fryfrog: | i'm looking forward to paying for all those wall street bitches :p |
| [00:47:04] | iamlindoro: | Jeez, and speaking of foreign relations, am I the only one who feels like speaking to our enemies is a *really fucking great idea*? |
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| [00:47:37] | tjcarter: | But again, how does raising taxes solve the problem? |
| [00:47:41] | tjcarter: | Nobody's got any money |
| [00:47:56] | iamlindoro: | If you make over $250k a year, I'd say you're doing just fine. |
| [00:48:03] | tjcarter: | 'cept for the Wall St. types who manage to profit on this economic collapse |
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| [00:48:38] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: of course, you should lose 60% of that off the top. |
| [00:48:41] | mchou: | tjcarter: have you seen Michael Morre's "Sicko?" |
| [00:48:47] | mchou: | Moore* |
| [00:48:56] | iamlindoro: | Wow, now I'm *convinced* you haven't read the plan |
| [00:48:57] | directhex: | iamlindoro, no! the dangerous cubans must be stopped, lest their intercontinental ballistic sugar cane threaten the very fundamentals of american (corn growing) life! |
| [00:49:00] | tjcarter: | mchou: the one where he shows you what Friend of Fidel medical care is like? |
| [00:49:11] | tjcarter: | It's pretty nice |
| [00:49:16] | iamlindoro: | You are either making things up off the top of your head or being fed info by someon you trust, but who is in actuality a moron |
| [00:49:23] | tjcarter: | If you aren't a Friend of Fidel, you can't get it though. |
| [00:49:30] | mchou: | tjcarter: yup. Not only Fidel. Switzerland, France, England |
| [00:49:33] | ** tjcarter has friends of tjcarter in Cuba.. ** | |
| [00:50:07] | mchou: | tjcarter: considering I've been to Cuba, I'd say the health care there is far superior |
| [00:50:08] | directhex: | fidel not being in charge in cuba, but hey, minor details |
| [00:50:12] | tjcarter: | mchou: England where they now park ambulances in the lot in front of hospitals so you can be assured that you WILL see a doctor within 4 hours of admittance to the hospital? |
| [00:50:30] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I'd kind like to visit cuba someday in the near future. Maybe we should, ya know... talk to 'em. |
| [00:50:36] | tjcarter: | mchou: if we get national health care in the US, it'll be Medicare for all. |
| [00:50:42] | mchou: | tjcarter: you been to any US Emergency rooms lately? |
| [00:50:55] | directhex: | IME seeing a doctor isn't the problem with a hospital visit, it's waiting around for the consultant to go through the results |
| [00:50:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: as a Medicare recipient, yes. |
| [00:51:06] | mchou: | tjcarter: you'd be lucky to be seen by a nurse in 4 hrs in US |
| [00:51:21] | tjcarter: | mchou: you don't see a doctor within 4 in england either |
| [00:51:22] | mchou: | never mind a Dr. |
| [00:51:26] | directhex: | yes, you do |
| [00:51:33] | directhex: | but why interrupt the bluster? |
| [00:51:34] | tjcarter: | they leave you in the ambulance until they CAN see you in 4 hours |
| [00:51:39] | directhex: | no, they don't |
| [00:51:49] | tjcarter: | directhex: BBC had big story on the problem |
| [00:51:49] | directhex: | but, again, why interrupt your well-informed rant? |
| [00:51:54] | tjcarter: | directhex: did they lie? |
| [00:52:07] | directhex: | tjcarter, isolated cases are not policy |
| [00:52:20] | iamlindoro: | Fairly certain the problem was between the TV and the couch on that one |
| [00:52:21] | mchou: | tjcarter: considering you never cited your source, I'd say yes |
| [00:52:45] | tjcarter: | directhex: isolated cases of ambulances parked for 2 hours in front of the hospital to meet the guarantees? |
| [00:53:00] | mchou: | oh, now it's down to two?? |
| [00:53:13] | tjcarter: | mchou: plus four. |
| [00:53:14] | directhex: | tjcarter, if you subscribe to the "1 case is the same as every case" view, then i might suggest you're as smart as georgey w |
| [00:53:17] | mchou: | I thought you said 4 earlier? |
| [00:53:23] | tjcarter: | mchou: you didn't read |
| [00:53:45] | tjcarter: | they park you IN FRONT but OUTSIDE for hours so when you go INSIDE, you will finally be seen within 4 hours |
| [00:54:10] | directhex: | oh lord, as blinkered as a "he's the antichrist" republican |
| [00:54:10] | tjcarter: | I'm pretty sure the BBC wouldn't have made a big deal out of it happening once or twice. |
| [00:54:14] | directhex: | this is my cue to go to bed |
| [00:54:21] | directhex: | this isn't going anywhere other than shit creek |
| [00:54:28] | directhex: | say hi to the us economy when you get there |
| [00:54:34] | iamlindoro: | directhex, night, promise that the US won't get any smarter by tomorrow |
| [00:54:35] | mchou: | tjcarter: lol. I'm still trying to establish how long you say they park you outside. |
| [00:54:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: up to 2 hours, plus 4 inside, then you see a doctor. |
| [00:55:20] | mchou: | tjcarter: where is the citation for this? |
| [00:55:26] | hednod: | directhex: the US may however, get dumber by tomorrow. |
| [00:55:29] | tjcarter: | BBC report a year ago |
| [00:55:34] | mchou: | tjcarter: and is this POLICY? |
| [00:55:37] | iamlindoro: | hednod, a virtual certainty ;) |
| [00:55:48] | tjcarter: | mchou: no, it's abuse to technically meet the terms of the policy |
| [00:56:18] | tjcarter: | mchou: it just shows what happens when you get government guarantees in health care.. |
| [00:56:42] | tjcarter: | government made the guarantee, hospitals couldn't meet that guarantee, so they technically met it, without doing so. |
| [00:56:43] | mchou: | tjcarter: not good enough. gimme link (or say "The London Times, 8/20/07") to citation |
| [00:56:55] | tjcarter: | you can google as well as I can |
| [00:57:23] | mchou: | tjcarter: now, I'm asking you for the link since you bought this up |
| [00:57:45] | iamlindoro: | Amused that someone too poor to afford medical care who is receiving it because of government intervention wants to talk about the problem with "government guarantees with healthcare." |
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| [00:58:11] | tjcarter: | (why do lefties never need citations, righties never need to actually read the scripture they claim to be spouting, and anyone in between constantly find that both lefties and righties assume they are the other?) |
| [00:58:26] | iamlindoro: | I believe he's *asking* for a citation |
| [00:58:27] | tjcarter: | mchou: It was an article I read a YEAR AGO. |
| [00:58:32] | iamlindoro: | That's hardly never |
| [00:58:47] | mchou: | tjcarter: so? you saying it "evaporated?" |
| [00:59:22] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: the point is that I as a "righty" (who isn't) cannot say that shit stinks without "proof", but you lot can say whatever you like without a shred of support. |
| [00:59:48] | mchou: | tjcarter: lol. put up or shut up |
| [01:00:00] | iamlindoro: | tjcarter, Go ahead and tell me something I've claimed that you don't agree with, and I'll happily provide a citation for it. |
| [01:00:05] | iamlindoro: | but I believe you were asked first. |
| [01:00:31] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: my proof is Medicare. |
| [01:00:43] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [01:01:00] | tjcarter: | I don't keep track of medical systems in other countries. The BBC thing was something I read in passing, I didn't save the link |
| [01:01:00] | iamlindoro: | mchou asked you to link him to the article about these wild claims about British healthcare |
| [01:01:11] | mchou: | tjcarter: how does that prove something that went on in the UK is beyond me |
| [01:01:23] | iamlindoro: | ok, so if you can't find it, then for all intents and purposes it can't be proven, and is nonsense. |
| [01:01:31] | mchou: | "alledgedly" |
| [01:01:32] | tjcarter: | mchou: the whole point was that you won't GET what you want in the US. |
| [01:01:37] | tjcarter: | you'll get universal Medicare |
| [01:01:46] | tjcarter: | and that's such a joke you'd be better off without it. |
| [01:02:08] | tjcarter: | Don't believe me? Elect Obama and see it happen. |
| [01:02:20] | tjcarter: | I don't care, because it's not going to affect me. I already have Medicare |
| [01:02:27] | tjcarter: | it's not gonna get any worse. |
| [01:02:28] | mchou: | tjcarter: stop trying to change the subject. cite me a relevant link to the UK stuff you were telling me about |
| [01:02:48] | iamlindoro: | Might as well start planning my move to Australia, as fucksticks like this will be responsible for President McCain |
| [01:02:50] | tjcarter: | mchou: how many times do I have to tell you that I did not save the link |
| [01:03:08] | iamlindoro: | You didn't have to save it in order to go find it |
| [01:03:18] | iamlindoro: | BBC keeps nice tidy web archives |
| [01:03:32] | tjcarter: | needle, meet haystack |
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| [01:04:05] | iamlindoro: | If only there existed some way of searching the web. |
| [01:04:08] | iamlindoro: | Ah well, better give up! |
| [01:04:32] | tjcarter: | This is not the report I read (mine was BBC): http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health-news . . . 66-21537258/ |
| [01:04:44] | tjcarter: | it's not even old |
| [01:05:04] | iamlindoro: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6976853.stm |
| [01:05:07] | iamlindoro: | BBC, a year ago. |
| [01:05:13] | iamlindoro: | 50 minutes, not two hours, and a single hospital |
| [01:05:23] | iamlindoro: | ah, the grandiose exaggeration of idiots. |
| [01:06:21] | tjcarter: | Back to name-calling, another lefty standard |
| [01:06:42] | iamlindoro: | It's not name calling when it's true. |
| [01:07:17] | iamlindoro: | You rail and rail, and make wild claims, and in the end it's built on a foundation of thin air |
| [01:07:36] | iamlindoro: | anyway, back to that other thing |
| [01:07:41] | mchou: | tjcarter: so you claim Medicare isnt working out for you. What would you do to improve it if you were president? |
| [01:07:44] | ** iamlindoro googles "Australian Emigration" ** | |
| [01:07:51] | tjcarter: | mchou: Replace it. |
| [01:08:09] | mchou: | tjcarter: with what? I'm all ears. |
| [01:08:26] | iamlindoro: | make sure to fully detail your plans to pay for it without raising taxes |
| [01:08:29] | iamlindoro: | I too am all ears |
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| [01:08:51] | jams: | wasn't it decided last election that extended political discussions are not allowed here |
| [01:08:55] | tjcarter: | What? You think I'm running for office? |
| [01:08:59] | tjcarter: | I've got more sense |
| [01:09:11] | tjcarter: | Medicare can't be fixed without raising taxes |
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| [01:09:43] | tjcarter: | Before it can be replaced, corruption in the medical industry must be dealt with |
| [01:09:49] | iamlindoro: | jams, watch out, he'll go nuts when you *cough* "censor" him |
| [01:09:50] | fryfrog: | i tell ya, the dude i like is ron paul |
| [01:09:58] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: he's a wackjob |
| [01:10:07] | fryfrog: | it is just a shame that he stands no chance of a) being president or b) getting anything done even if he was |
| [01:10:18] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: But he sure had a point about the whole financial market being a joke |
| [01:10:29] | mchou: | tjcarter: so what are you saying? You have something better than medicare w/o raising taxes? |
| [01:10:51] | fryfrog: | yeah, ron paul is one crazy mother |
| [01:11:10] | fryfrog: | i guess that makes me mostly a crazy mother, but god i'd love to see our federal government shrink instead of grow |
| [01:11:11] | tjcarter: | mchou: I'm saying you DO have to raise taxes--but not until you fix the corrupt medical industry. Don't and you are just lining their pockets and giving us more crap. |
| [01:11:18] | fryfrog: | throw away those useless homeland security bitches |
| [01:11:23] | jams: | iamlindoro- um yeah. i do beleive that was the decision though. |
| [01:11:25] | fryfrog: | etc, etc |
| [01:11:30] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: you won't get that with McCain or Obama |
| [01:11:37] | fryfrog: | yeah, no shit :p |
| [01:11:40] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: both want to make government grow =( |
| [01:11:45] | mchou: | tjcarter: so it's not an exaggeration to say you'd be FOR raising taxes? |
| [01:11:52] | fryfrog: | which is pretty crappy for a republican :p |
| [01:12:05] | tjcarter: | mchou: AFTER house cleaning, sure. |
| [01:12:15] | tjcarter: | before? No way. |
| [01:12:31] | mchou: | tjcarter: so what was that you said EARLIER about NOT raising taxes? |
| [01:12:43] | jams: | seriouly mchou and tjcarter move this discussion to some other place. |
| [01:12:55] | iamlindoro: | jams, I'll happily abide (well, until I get my hackles up again) ;) |
| [01:13:19] | tjcarter: | mchou: Not one more dime until the corruption is fixed. I'm not paying more to line someone's pockets. |
| [01:13:27] | fryfrog: | discussions about religion and politics are at their heart totally pointless. |
| [01:13:36] | fryfrog: | no matter what, you'll never change the other person's opinion. |
| [01:13:43] | mchou: | I think we've stablished why tjcarter is a so called "INDEPENDENT" |
| [01:13:58] | mchou: | he's not clear what he wants :) |
| [01:14:24] | tjcarter: | mchou: because I think all of the politicians in washington are greedy fuckers who should be in jail? |
| [01:14:31] | fryfrog: | i say we need to reboot the government and reinstall XP :p |
| [01:14:38] | mchou: | on the one hand he wants services to improve. On the other hand to is not sure whether he wants taxes raised |
| [01:14:42] | tjcarter: | (including McCain and Obama both) |
| [01:14:50] | fryfrog: | its uptime is so long, it just needs a reboot and reinstall to fix all the cruft :p |
| [01:14:58] | tjcarter: | mchou: that's blatant misrepresentation |
| [01:15:04] | mchou: | tjcarter: I thought you just said the medical industry was corrupt? |
| [01:15:11] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, installing XP will guarantee frequent reboots ;) |
| [01:15:19] | tjcarter: | I said I will happily accept a tax increase AFTER the corruption was removed. |
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| [01:15:50] | mchou: | tjcarter: corruption where? In medical industry or in washington? |
| [01:15:52] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: you'd have to install a new constitution with each reboot |
| [01:15:53] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: yeah, but it has so many users how could it be wrong! :p |
| [01:16:05] | mchou: | tjcarter: pls be specific |
| [01:16:19] | fryfrog: | corruption everywhere? |
| [01:16:21] | tjcarter: | mchou: "yes" probably. |
| [01:16:25] | fryfrog: | but that'll never go away |
| [01:16:50] | dustybin: | its a shame windows isnt based on unix |
| [01:16:58] | mchou: | tjcarter: lol. you sure are rather sweeping with your charges of corruption |
| [01:17:04] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: perhaps the US has bad sectors? |
| [01:17:32] | mchou: | tjcarter: how do you propose we go about fixing this corruption? |
| [01:17:34] | tjcarter: | mchou: Look at both parties. Look at medical costs in US vs. anywhere else. |
| [01:17:35] | fryfrog: | mchou: come on, there is no way that corruption doesn't spread far and wide. |
| [01:17:51] | fryfrog: | mchou: i'm not saying everyone is corrupt, or even a majority... but all it takes is a little |
| [01:18:38] | tjcarter: | the former is self-documenting. The latter can be evidenced by the fact that my medication costs half of what it does in the US if I buy it in Canada, and less still if I were on Canada's health care system as a citizen |
| [01:18:42] | mchou: | fryfrog: I'm interested in real solutions to real problems. When tjcarter syas medical industry and washington is corrupt I'm asking for details |
| [01:19:09] | fryfrog: | i think the nature of corruption makes it hard to detail :/ |
| [01:19:29] | fryfrog: | at least, undiscovered corruption that is |
| [01:19:31] | mchou: | tjcarter: and you thing that has NOTHING to do with Canada's collective bargaining via universal health care? |
| [01:19:39] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: you go around in circles, I'm going to find dinner |
| [01:19:43] | mchou: | s/thing/think |
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| [01:21:26] | iamlindoro: | *cricket* |
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| [01:34:17] | defendguin: | ive got a problem with mythtv. all my icons on the menu have disappeared |
| [01:34:35] | defendguin: | has anyone had the before or knows how to change the theme without using the mythtv menu |
| [01:34:59] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend -O Theme=themename |
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| [01:39:06] | Shadow__X: | hello everyonez |
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| [01:45:10] | Sedorox: | anyone use two or more PVR-150's in one backend? |
| [01:45:28] | iamlindoro: | Sedorox, Many many people do-- you ought to ask your full question, though |
| [01:45:33] | iamlindoro: | instead of waiting for volunteers |
| [01:46:42] | Sedorox: | true... I have two running with one pci slot between.. and they seem to be getting pretty warm (one turner I can't keep my hand on for more then a minute.. was just wondering if this is normal for that amount of warmth |
| [01:47:19] | iamlindoro: | Sedorox, yeah, they get pretty hot (really hot, even) |
| [01:47:22] | jams: | Sedorox- yes they can get very warm |
| [01:47:26] | iamlindoro: | It's probably safe, though |
| [01:47:52] | iamlindoro: | I used to have a number of awfully hot tuner cards without space between and I never had a failure |
| [01:48:05] | Sedorox: | ok, I've always had one to this point.. and I knew it ran a bit warm.. but this one is a little bit more so (tho its the model with the FM tuner.. so I could see it..) |
| [01:48:14] | Sedorox: | just back to back? |
| [01:48:19] | iamlindoro: | yep, back to back |
| [01:48:39] | Sedorox: | I figured there are a decent amount of people that do that |
| [01:48:42] | iamlindoro: | Like, literally couldn't rest my hand on them for fear of burning hot |
| [01:48:51] | Sedorox: | dang |
| [01:49:05] | iamlindoro: | but never a failed card |
| [01:49:15] | Sedorox: | I do need to get a different video card... a fx5200 is a little much for a backend that never gets a monitor on it |
| [01:49:21] | Sedorox: | cool |
| [01:49:41] | Sedorox: | I'm sure this vid card isn't helping the heat in general in the case |
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| [01:50:04] | iamlindoro: | yeah. If you're confident it will run without issue you could remove all video cards if oyu really wanted |
| [01:50:25] | iamlindoro: | and then just ssh -X in to use x forwarding over x if you ever need to run a program |
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| [01:50:27] | Sedorox: | I've tried.. but sadly I think the motherboard needs it.. as I don't hear the HDD ticking to boot otherwise |
| [01:50:32] | iamlindoro: | er x forwarding over ssh |
| [01:50:47] | iamlindoro: | Sometimes that's a BIOS option, but YMMV |
| [01:51:36] | Sedorox: | yea.. I've tried searching.. but haven't found much (even tried keeping a keyboard and doing F1 |
| [01:52:16] | defendguin: | funny stuff. did ssh -X to get the mythtv front end tunneled to my laptop and it worked, icons were there. when i did a remote desktop and connected to the mythbox, both front end and back are on the same box, and stated up up the mythfrontend -O Theme=MythCenter and i had no icons again. not sure why it worked when the whole thing was tunneled through ssh |
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| [01:52:58] | Anduin: | defendguin: -O ThemePainter=qt do anything? |
| [01:53:43] | Sedorox: | I usually just send everything to the X on my desktop (DISPLAY=xx.yy.zz.aa:0 mythtv-setup as an example) |
| [01:54:26] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel has a case with a 120mm fan that blows directly down on the cards... Even when I had a 'standard' case, I fit a small fan blowing down right on the cards... I don't like hot electronics... ** | |
| [01:55:40] | defendguin: | Anduin: i am noticing it takes a lot longer than it used to to scale the images |
| [01:56:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | defendguin: That depends on the theme too I've noticed... |
| [01:56:19] | defendguin: | but the menu did appear |
| [01:56:52] | defendguin: | it took like 10 seconds between when the scaling windows disappeared and when the menu actually showed up |
| [01:58:00] | defendguin: | hmmmm |
| [01:58:30] | defendguin: | i wonder if i switched from the nvidia driver to the nv driver and that is why the opengl painter isn't working |
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| [02:00:06] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:00:27] | Xklark: | what do i have to configure on mythtv to be able to use XBMC as a native frontend with the myth:// prefix |
| [02:00:42] | defendguin: | yeah i think thats what happened |
| [02:00:54] | iamlindoro: | Xklark, we don't support the xbmc frontend |
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| [02:01:38] | iamlindoro: | Do actual frontends run? |
| [02:02:33] | iamlindoro: | anywya, if real myth frontends work properly, then I would suggest taking it up with the xbmc people |
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| [02:21:37] | fryfrog: | is /usr/src the "proper" place to compile junk? i mean, obviously you can do it anywhere you want (i tend to do it in my ~ dir) |
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| [02:26:01] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, It's the "by the book" place, but it obviously doesn't matter |
| [02:26:46] | fryfrog: | i think the only compiling i do in /usr/src is the kernel :/ |
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| [02:36:07] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, Can't recall, which STBs do you have? |
| [02:43:09] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, FYI Comcast is pushing out a firmware update in the bay area to all of the DVR boxes which breaks firewire. My 3200 still works, though. |
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| [02:53:26] | YukiNewbie: | hello can anybody help me? it says this: Cannot connect to master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address for it in the setup program correct? |
| [03:00:09] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Finally looking at my myth box again... I'm in mdadm.c now... |
| [03:00:37] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, Did you catch my message last night? Don't think my fix will work for you |
| [03:01:29] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro – no, sorry, I had to get to bed and shut down my wintel box... I didn't see an email from you – maybe the pm didn't work from mirc... |
| [03:02:20] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, There *should* be a way to fix the superblock on the one drive, though |
| [03:03:36] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, I would try this: |
| [03:03:43] | iamlindoro: | mdadm --stop /dev/md# |
| [03:03:56] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: DCT3200 I believe? |
| [03:04:17] | fryfrog: | also... WWWHHHHHHYYYYYY!!!!! :p |
| [03:04:24] | fryfrog: | damn you comcast |
| [03:04:24] | doje: | fryfrog: that's what I have |
| [03:04:29] | iamlindoro: | mdadm --assemble --assume-clean /dev/md# /other/drives |
| [03:04:30] | doje: | what's the issue? |
| [03:04:47] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: ok, shall try... |
| [03:05:06] | fryfrog: | doje: nothing, just 22:43 < iamlindoro> fryfrog, FYI Comcast is pushing out a firmware update in the bay area to all of the DVR boxes which breaks firewire. |
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| [03:05:21] | fryfrog: | oh, also i need to learn to read |
| [03:05:26] | fryfrog: | I have not got a DVR box :) |
| [03:05:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the 3200 is safe |
| [03:05:31] | iamlindoro: | (for now) |
| [03:05:50] | fryfrog: | i hope that the hd-pvr is locked in and stable before they nuke us all |
| [03:05:52] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll have you try something else |
| [03:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Humm... "mdamdm:option --assume-clean not valid in assemble mode" |
| [03:06:07] | doje: | well, they can't disable FW becuase the FCC requires it to work |
| [03:06:19] | fryfrog: | doje: yeah, but they can 5c all the channels |
| [03:06:24] | doje: | they CAN turn on 5c encryption |
| [03:06:32] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, okay, let's try this. do a mdadm --examine --scan -v and write down which disks are members of the array ATM |
| [03:06:43] | doje: | not all, they can't lock down local broadcasts |
| [03:06:47] | fryfrog: | or they could simply be breaking firewire on accident. sure, the fcc says it has to work but... |
| [03:07:12] | fryfrog: | if they break it on accident, i suspect the fcc would say "fix it" and they'd be like "oh, yeah sure... we are totally on that" :p |
| [03:07:20] | doje: | I hace TWC in LA, I get like 1/3 of the channels |
| [03:07:28] | fryfrog: | suck :( |
| [03:07:41] | fryfrog: | i don't think i'd bother with cable in that case, unless it was the sucky third :p |
| [03:07:52] | doje: | you can sue them – or threaten to |
| [03:08:00] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, Going to PMs for the rest |
| [03:08:13] | fryfrog: | array trouble? |
| [03:08:32] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: devices=/dev/sdc1, sdd1, sde1, sdh1 — sdf1 physically bad, sdg1 has the bad (missing) superblock... |
| [03:08:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel thinks he's screwed... :-( ** | |
| [03:09:06] | doje: | sounds like 2 drive are bad |
| [03:09:08] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, You're not, necessarily, go to PMs please |
| [03:09:14] | iamlindoro: | no, two drives are *not* bad |
| [03:09:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Ok. ;-) |
| [03:09:17] | iamlindoro: | jeez |
| [03:09:32] | fryfrog: | i'd be interested to know how you resolve it |
| [03:09:34] | iamlindoro: | bad superblock ~= bad drive |
| [03:09:37] | fryfrog: | i've got a raid array myself :) |
| [03:09:39] | iamlindoro: | er != |
| [03:10:15] | doje: | I thouht the superblock's are part of the fs, so they would not be on a single drive in the array ? |
| [03:10:17] | fryfrog: | also, shorthand for devices works nice :) |
| [03:10:27] | fryfrog: | doje: there are raid super blocks |
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| [03:10:35] | fryfrog: | they aren't for the FS |
| [03:10:57] | fryfrog: | er, rather |
| [03:10:59] | doje: | ah, doesn't ext3 or xfs also have SB's ? or am I wrong ? |
| [03:11:04] | fryfrog: | they are a different sort of superblock |
| [03:11:09] | doje: | ah, ok |
| [03:11:10] | fryfrog: | you are right, file systems have superblocks too |
| [03:11:35] | fryfrog: | i believe they store some critical information about the raid array it is part of |
| [03:11:55] | fryfrog: | the ummm, id, how many devices maybe, what type it is |
| [03:12:21] | doje: | fryfrog: I have a raid5 with a drive that's going bad as well, fortunately I had backed it up on a new array so i haven't been forced to deal with it :0 |
| [03:12:24] | fryfrog: | i know that if you set the partition type to "fd" the kernel is able to auto-detect your arrays, i assume the info used comes from the superblock on each device. |
| [03:12:37] | fryfrog: | doje: could just pull the drive and RMA is |
| [03:12:38] | fryfrog: | it |
| [03:12:55] | fryfrog: | i usually do the CC deposit and have them advance rma it, since i never have good boxes to use :) |
| [03:13:01] | doje: | I have a relacement drive – just haven't gotten around to it |
| [03:13:07] | fryfrog: | bah, lazy :p |
| [03:13:16] | doje: | :) I don't deny it |
| [03:14:28] | doje: | I was at Fry's a couple months ago and drives were on sale |
| [03:14:49] | fryfrog: | my friend got a 750G external for like $100 |
| [03:14:56] | doje: | yeah, I got 3 |
| [03:15:12] | fryfrog: | I'd only need 4x 1TB drives to replace my 8x 320G and i'd *still* increase space :) |
| [03:15:15] | doje: | they were like $120 maybe |
| [03:15:23] | fryfrog: | use em external or rip the drives out? |
| [03:16:00] | doje: | I'm thinking of dismantling to old array (250x5) and using them for backups |
| [03:16:56] | doje: | fryfrog: 4 -> 8 drives might be slower though ? |
| [03:17:05] | doje: | if that's a concern |
| [03:17:05] | fryfrog: | you mean 8 -> 4? |
| [03:17:11] | doje: | heh, yeah |
| [03:17:12] | fryfrog: | nah, speed makes no real diff to me |
| [03:17:25] | fryfrog: | as long as it is fast enough to read/write w/o buffer problems |
| [03:17:33] | fryfrog: | i started out with 5 i think, and it was plenty fast |
| [03:17:49] | doje: | do you use raid 5 or stripe ? |
| [03:18:01] | fryfrog: | i'm playing with a 4x 150G 10k rpm in a raid10 array in a 1U i'm building for something |
| [03:18:04] | fryfrog: | it is OMFG fast |
| [03:18:09] | doje: | hehe |
| [03:18:16] | fryfrog: | doje: raid5, raid0 is for people who hate their data :) |
| [03:18:31] | doje: | agreed, had to ask though |
| [03:18:38] | fryfrog: | the "slow" test in hdparm -Tt (the unbuffered one?) gets about 65mb/sec on my raid5 array |
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| [03:18:52] | fryfrog: | it got 200mb/sec on that raid10 array |
| [03:18:52] | RyeBrye: | Does setting up hard partitions have any benefit over using LVM? |
| [03:18:56] | fryfrog: | and that is a shitty test :) |
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| [03:19:05] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: you don't have to use lvm :p |
| [03:19:28] | doje: | I've got myth running on 4x750 sata raid 5 with 3x DCT3200 |
| [03:19:40] | fryfrog: | nice, got 2 of em here |
| [03:19:51] | fryfrog: | but i get a lot of 0 byte recordings (maybe 25%?) |
| [03:19:58] | fryfrog: | do yours work really reliably? |
| [03:20:06] | RyeBrye: | I usually like to set up a /home partition and /video so when I upgrade I can just wipe out the system partitions and not have to worry about wiping out my settings |
| [03:20:26] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: I have my 2TB raid5 array mount in /data, no lvm |
| [03:20:34] | fryfrog: | i just store everything in there i care about |
| [03:20:41] | doje: | well, I had some cabling issues (RG58) what got replaced last week with rg6 – so I think the boxes were dropping out |
| [03:20:42] | fryfrog: | (which isn't /home) |
| [03:20:49] | RyeBrye: | ok, gotcha |
| [03:21:12] | fryfrog: | if you need a number of partitions, or like to be able to shuffle disks around... lvm seems like the way to go. |
| [03:21:16] | doje: | that was only a week ago, so too soon to tell – before I had a lot of skipping |
| [03:21:22] | fryfrog: | i have a friend who got burned by it once, but that was probably *AGES* ago. |
| [03:21:23] | RyeBrye: | I have a single volume right now – I will likely add more drives in the future – so I was thinking of using LVM this time around |
| [03:21:40] | fryfrog: | i just prefer less things to manage |
| [03:21:45] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I hear you |
| [03:21:45] | fryfrog: | also, don't forget the LVM is *not* raid |
| [03:21:51] | RyeBrye: | Yes, I understand that |
| [03:22:02] | fryfrog: | it can do *some* raid like stuff, but not all of it |
| [03:22:04] | RyeBrye: | My motherboard has fake raid, but I don't plan to use that |
| [03:22:20] | fryfrog: | yeah, mine has it too but i just use it as a normal controller and use soft raid |
| [03:22:35] | doje: | sometimes I would have issues and the backend would show a lot of wait time (top) other times no waiting but video would skip, etc |
| [03:23:09] | doje: | I've got the HD ring buffer set to max in mythbackend |
| [03:23:29] | fryfrog: | if it records a show, it is always watchable |
| [03:23:33] | doje: | most MB raids I've seen are only 0 or 1, bah |
| [03:23:35] | fryfrog: | so that is nice :) |
| [03:23:43] | RyeBrye: | I think my MB is 0 / 1 / 5 |
| [03:23:48] | fryfrog: | doje: some now have raid5, but it is still soft raid5 |
| [03:23:49] | doje: | wow, 5, nice |
| [03:23:50] | RyeBrye: | but since it's fake... |
| [03:23:52] | fryfrog: | well, cpu raid5 |
| [03:23:55] | RyeBrye: | yeah, exactly |
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| [03:24:04] | doje: | hmm, interesting |
| [03:25:10] | doje: | on a related issue, soft raid in linux can add drives now – not sure when that was added, but I just did it like a month ago |
| [03:25:20] | fryfrog: | doje: awesome, huh? |
| [03:25:31] | doje: | it took a week to restripe, but yeah friggin awesome |
| [03:25:37] | fryfrog: | i think that went in ~2 years ago, since it has been more than a year since i expanded mine |
| [03:25:53] | fryfrog: | yeah, took me a couple days to do the first one |
| [03:25:53] | RyeBrye: | I'm building a new machine that will take over as the master backend – but I have an existing backend that has a database and a bunch of shows on it. How do I make it so I can still access this stuff when it becomes a slave? |
| [03:26:03] | fryfrog: | then i added 2 more disks a few months later, took like a week to rebuild :p |
| [03:26:04] | RyeBrye: | should I migrate all the files over somehow and copy the db over? |
| [03:26:23] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: humm, good question |
| [03:26:32] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: I might move the recordings and db to the new "master" |
| [03:26:39] | fryfrog: | and just totally nuke/re-do the slave |
| [03:26:41] | doje: | yah, mine was a week to add a 750 to a 3 drive ary |
| [03:26:59] | RyeBrye: | if the mount point for the recordings is the same – the DB shouldn't need to be touched (except for updating the IP of the master) – right? |
| [03:27:08] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: you could also just setup your new master (and slave from scratch), then use a db backup to keep the few tables you really want. |
| [03:27:32] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: probably not, though you may have a few new settings or something |
| [03:27:52] | RyeBrye: | Makes sense. It will be like performing a brain transplant or something :) |
| [03:27:53] | fryfrog: | If it were me, I kind of like to do a new system from scratch as much as possible to make sure no cruft is hanging around |
| [03:28:18] | fryfrog: | so i'd probably just at the end import the recorded record and a couple other tables from the db |
| [03:28:23] | RyeBrye: | The most powerful machine makes sense to be the master, right? |
| [03:28:33] | fryfrog: | actually, maybe not |
| [03:28:39] | fryfrog: | i mean, it all depends on your setup |
| [03:28:54] | fryfrog: | but if you are doing HD playback, and you only have *one* powerful machine for that... |
| [03:28:55] | RyeBrye: | My current backend / frontend is a P4 1.8 Ghz with 2 gigs RAM and maybe 450 gigs of HD |
| [03:29:00] | fryfrog: | maybe make it the master w/o any tuners in it |
| [03:29:20] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I'm doing HD playback with that machine and have HDHR for the tuner |
| [03:29:21] | fryfrog: | turn the crappy system into a slave backend with your tuners in/hooked up |
| [03:29:36] | fryfrog: | p4 1.8 can do hd playback? |
| [03:29:38] | RyeBrye: | no |
| [03:29:38] | doje: | the only thing that kind of irks me about myth are the filenames – I wish i would just save them as the program names – I've rebuilt like 3 times now and have all these old files i need to rename |
| [03:29:40] | RyeBrye: | that's teh crappy one |
| [03:29:44] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:29:57] | fryfrog: | doje: use mythrename, make a cron job |
| [03:29:58] | RyeBrye: | The good one is a core2quad 2.83 Ghz (I'm going ot OC it to 3.8 or 4 or so) |
| [03:30:13] | fryfrog: | so that is your "new" one RyeBrye ? |
| [03:30:16] | RyeBrye: | Yes |
| [03:30:18] | doje: | fryfrog: thanks, i'll check it out |
| [03:30:47] | RyeBrye: | I just got the pieces put together today, burning off the fedora 9 x86_64 iso right now to install |
| [03:30:53] | fryfrog: | If you want to do HD playback of mpeg2, h.264 and such... i'd probably find a way to make that the frontend/backend |
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| [03:31:05] | fryfrog: | and either discard and not use the old one... or use it as a slave only guy |
| [03:31:06] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, it's going ot be a backend / frontend – I should have specified that |
| [03:31:11] | doje: | fryfrog: <knock on wood> I hoping i'm on this build for a while :) |
| [03:32:10] | fryfrog: | i'm tempted to build a new frontend so my poor backend can go from a 3200+ -> 4200+ X2 |
| [03:33:08] | RyeBrye: | That's a good point about the migration. I probably will just install it all new and configure it to be its own master – then copy over the recordings and the DB tables to point to them and run some queries to update the tables if I have to change the paths of the files... etc. |
| [03:33:30] | RyeBrye: | Or... I suppose I could mount the slave machine's storage as nfs |
| [03:33:37] | fryfrog: | so your monster fe/be ... it isn't to loud to have with the TV? |
| [03:33:38] | RyeBrye: | then I don't have to copy the files over |
| [03:33:48] | fryfrog: | which has more disk space, the new or old? |
| [03:33:52] | RyeBrye: | The new, by far |
| [03:34:01] | fryfrog: | i'd probably copy the files, that way you don't even *need* the old system |
| [03:34:08] | fryfrog: | maybe just put them in the same place |
| [03:34:10] | RyeBrye: | good thinking |
| [03:34:14] | fryfrog: | i organize my setup so that is easy to do |
| [03:34:17] | RyeBrye: | It's not too loud |
| [03:34:20] | fryfrog: | on my file server, i have /data/ |
| [03:34:35] | fryfrog: | and all my linux boxes use NFS to mount /data in ... /data on their own system :) |
| [03:34:35] | RyeBrye: | I bought a really quiet PSU and CPU cooler |
| [03:34:39] | fryfrog: | works real nice :) |
| [03:34:44] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [03:34:51] | fryfrog: | my server is honkin huge and loud :p |
| [03:35:01] | RyeBrye: | the case fans that came with the silverstone case I bought are a bit louder than I like – so I'll probably replace those things – they are louder than my PSU fan righ tnow |
| [03:35:09] | RyeBrye: | ... but even they aren't all that bad |
| [03:35:48] | RyeBrye: | The case has can fit 7 drives – and it has 2 90mm fan mount points to put in front of the drive bays, so I may eventually add a whole ton more storage to it |
| [03:36:14] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: you could also 7V mod them |
| [03:36:18] | fryfrog: | makes em nice and quiet |
| [03:36:25] | RyeBrye: | 7V mod? |
| [03:36:36] | RyeBrye: | run them on 7v instead of 12? |
| [03:36:37] | wagnerrp: | put a resistor in-line |
| [03:36:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:36:45] | doje: | I just got one of these: http://www.tagan.com/index.php?c_id=36&pr . . . p_cata_id=86 |
| [03:36:45] | wagnerrp: | drop the voltage... drop the speed |
| [03:36:52] | doje: | super quiet |
| [03:36:59] | fryfrog: | well, easier than that |
| [03:37:09] | fryfrog: | just run them from uh... 12V and 5V |
| [03:37:13] | wagnerrp: | although i would hope you are not putting something with 7 drives and multiple fans in front of the tv |
| [03:37:24] | fryfrog: | search google to be sure, i always for get |
| [03:37:24] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:37:35] | fryfrog: | instead of 12V and -12V ground, you use 12V and 5V |
| [03:37:39] | RyeBrye: | Ahhh |
| [03:37:44] | RyeBrye: | Interesting |
| [03:38:09] | fryfrog: | yeah, seems counter-intuitive to me... 12V and 5V should be 17V to me :p |
| [03:38:12] | RyeBrye: | Right now my backend / frontend is an old dell optiplex |
| [03:38:17] | fryfrog: | so make sure you google it first, cause i could be saying it wrong. |
| [03:38:32] | RyeBrye: | no the 12 and 5 makes sense because the difference in potential is 7v |
| [03:38:38] | wagnerrp: | instead of 12V and ground, you use 12V and 5V |
| [03:38:42] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [03:38:56] | wagnerrp: | there is next to no power on the -12V and -5V lines |
| [03:38:59] | wagnerrp: | not enough to run a fan |
| [03:39:02] | fryfrog: | i'm no good with the electricties |
| [03:39:05] | doje: | that makes sense 12V – 5V |
| [03:39:27] | doje: | Zalman makes some resistor boxes you can use also |
| [03:39:38] | doje: | with a little dial |
| [03:39:49] | RyeBrye: | I have a Zalman modular PSU – maybe I can cal them up :) |
| [03:39:50] | fryfrog: | ah, the ol' variable speed deal |
| [03:39:56] | RyeBrye: | Like fanmate? |
| [03:40:02] | RyeBrye: | for HD's? |
| [03:40:10] | doje: | yeah, I fanmate |
| [03:40:11] | fryfrog: | or just ye' ole fashioned potentiometer |
| [03:40:18] | doje: | s/I// |
| [03:40:29] | doje: | or that :) |
| [03:41:03] | RyeBrye: | I sure hope my rear case fans are not running full time once I get my OS installed – because I think they are on full speed when I power the machine on even if it's already cool... ASUS is supposed to do some kind of Fan Control – is that only in windows or something? |
| [03:41:21] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: usually in the bios, actually |
| [03:41:35] | RyeBrye: | ok, good – maybe I have to enable the setting. I'll read the manual |
| [03:41:37] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch! |
| [03:41:38] | fryfrog: | well, that said linux (acpi) and windows may have some control over it also |
| [03:42:07] | wagnerrp: | i just figured out the solution to a coding issue that has been bugging me for the last 6 hours |
| [03:42:36] | wagnerrp: | i improperly compensated for a coordinate transform, causing a secondary issue by fixing the first |
| [03:42:38] | RyeBrye: | Oh – in my bios should i set it up to have my SATA act as IDE, or AHCI (or there was one more option) – is AHCI well supported in linux? |
| [03:42:58] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: do you plan on removing those drives on a live system? |
| [03:43:06] | RyeBrye: | No |
| [03:43:13] | wagnerrp: | or otherwise adding new drives, using eSATA ports? |
| [03:43:16] | fryfrog: | I think AHCI? |
| [03:43:17] | RyeBrye: | Perhaps eSat |
| [03:43:21] | RyeBrye: | err eSATA |
| [03:43:31] | fryfrog: | is that what AHCI gets you the ability to do, hotswap? |
| [03:43:34] | wagnerrp: | hotswappability requires AHCI |
| [03:43:39] | fryfrog: | ahhhh, nice! |
| [03:43:48] | fryfrog: | i should test that on this little 1U i put together :) |
| [03:43:55] | wagnerrp: | or... a raid card |
| [03:43:57] | wagnerrp: | either will do |
| [03:44:17] | RyeBrye: | I'll put on AHCI – because I might use my esata port with some esata external drives on occasion |
| [03:44:47] | wagnerrp: | i imagine its relatively well supported in recent kernels |
| [03:45:06] | wagnerrp: | support will be on a per-chipset basis |
| [03:45:17] | wagnerrp: | you cant just enable AHCI and expect all hardware will work |
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| [03:51:15] | ** iamlindoro walks back in from wrangling mdadm ** | |
| [03:51:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel thanks iamlindoro for his wrangling skills... ;-) ** | |
| [03:52:08] | wagnerrp: | i need to stop working in f77, im going to get too used to goto's |
| [03:52:35] | fryfrog: | f77 as in *fortran*? |
| [03:52:41] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [03:52:51] | fryfrog: | kicking it old school :) |
| [03:53:05] | ** wagnerrp is an engineer ** | |
| [03:53:06] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wow, I never coded in fortran but used my share of gotos in basic in the mid 80's... ;-) |
| [03:53:16] | wagnerrp: | fortran is still big shit in the engineering world |
| [03:53:35] | wagnerrp: | just like how there is still a considerable amount of code being done in cobol |
| [03:54:16] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | yep – both my current company and previous company have 'legacy' applications that are about 90% cobol — we're talking millions of lines of code, about 1500 programs per company... |
| [03:54:22] | fryfrog: | cobol is all legacy though, is fortran the same way? |
| [03:54:29] | wagnerrp: | now whats funny is when you see someone developing an application with a python wrapper around fortran |
| [03:54:41] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: more or less |
| [03:54:50] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [03:54:52] | iamlindoro: | "We are happy to inform you that, upon further verification, your billing and shipping information are now confirmed. Your order will be processed shortly. If there are any other delays, you will be notified immediately via email. " |
| [03:54:59] | wagnerrp: | all the old code is fortran, so people continue to update/modify/whatever the old code, still in fortran |
| [03:55:01] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, ya fucking slow newegg fucks |
| [03:55:14] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro What did you order? |
| [03:55:14] | wagnerrp: | it would just take too much time to completely rewrite the code |
| [03:55:43] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, Some stuff for work (Projector, screen, mount), and a Q9650 and a PCIe SATA2 card |
| [03:55:49] | wagnerrp: | im currently fixing some post-processing scripts from he 90s |
| [03:56:04] | wagnerrp: | which were in turn based off old 80s NASA code |
| [03:56:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning im working on code older than i am |
| [03:56:39] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: what platform? I work with Tandems. |
| [03:57:03] | wagnerrp: | em64t |
| [03:57:53] | wagnerrp: | fortran has no real direct access to system libraries |
| [03:58:06] | wagnerrp: | so as long as you have a standard compiler, you can use code just about anywhere |
| [03:58:14] | wagnerrp: | (except for CRAYs) |
| [03:58:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel googles 'em64t'... ;-) ** | |
| [03:58:34] | wagnerrp: | em64t is just Intels name for amd64 |
| [03:58:43] | wagnerrp: | im using the intel fortran compilers |
| [03:59:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: So what kind of machine, an IBM mainframe? |
| [03:59:50] | wagnerrp: | currently... A64 3200+ |
| [04:00:07] | wagnerrp: | at work, core2 cluster, xeon workstation |
| [04:00:28] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: I think our thoughts got crossed – the platform that your're doing the fortran coding on... ;-) |
| [04:01:14] | wagnerrp: | im sitting at home, writing this code on my mythtv backend |
| [04:01:23] | wagnerrp: | at work, i would be doing it on core2s and xeons |
| [04:01:45] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Wow... so this fortran code runs in Windows or Linux environment? |
| [04:02:00] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, ibm mainframes dont have intel processors |
| [04:02:20] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Ok, wasn't sure, the latest Tandems have Itanium processors... ;-) |
| [04:03:01] | wagnerrp: | as before, fortran code is pretty well cross-compatible |
| [04:03:17] | wagnerrp: | the language doesnt give you access to things that would make it not so |
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| [04:04:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Yeah, my previous company used it for complex intrest calculations... |
| [04:04:55] | wagnerrp: | awesome! that fixed it |
| [04:05:53] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | ha... the 'console' screen blanker in FC8's "Repair Filesystem" only blanks the white text... colored text stays on the screen... |
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| [04:06:33] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | /me chugging along... [=>...................] resync = 5.7% (28090644/488383744) finish=355.7m |
| [04:06:33] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | in speed=21560K/sec |
| [04:08:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: So the fortran stuff you're doing at home – is that personal, or did you bring your work home with you? ;-) |
| [04:08:40] | wagnerrp: | brought home |
| [04:08:46] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | doh! |
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| [04:10:19] | flynch: | my trusty old (fedora core4) mythtv box just stared locking up X... I'm seeing "(WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x000040e4, 0x00004220, 1)" in my xorg logs. |
| [04:10:40] | flynch: | I haven't updated anything on this box in ages, so is it safe to assume that this is probably a hardware issue? |
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| [04:12:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | flynch: fc4? Have you checked to sure it's packed full of dust and overheating? (or if there's a fan on the video card, did it fail?) |
| [04:13:00] | flynch: | its probably packed full of dust... its an ancient box thats served us well in the corner of my living room |
| [04:13:27] | flynch: | so you'd recommend opening it up & clearing out the dust before I run out to buy a new card. |
| [04:13:37] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | flynch: Well, that's the first thing I'd do is shut it down, open the case and carefully clean it up. |
| [04:13:40] | iamlindoro: | flynch, Sounds like it's safe to assume not software |
| [04:13:41] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | flynch: yes. |
| [04:13:43] | fryfrog: | for sure, good catch :) |
| [04:13:59] | fryfrog: | vacuum it out, make sure all the fans spin freely :) |
| [04:14:10] | iamlindoro: | Eeeheehee, the office is back |
| [04:14:15] | flynch: | thanks guys, I'll give that a go then. |
| [04:14:23] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Just be careful with the vaccume... don't generate too much static! |
| [04:14:39] | fryfrog: | i use a plastic nozel :) |
| [04:14:46] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | oops, make that flynch... |
| [04:14:55] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | sorry fryfrog! ;-) |
| [04:14:59] | flynch: | I've got a wee handheld dust-buster, so I'll give that a whirl. |
| [04:15:28] | iamlindoro: | You can go watch TV at J-e-f-f-A|wintel's house |
| [04:15:32] | iamlindoro: | He's about 30 minutes south |
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| [04:15:53] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Not right now! ;-) Another 6 hours or so!!! ;-) |
| [04:16:01] | iamlindoro: | We hope |
| [04:16:05] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | (although my cw3000hd is still working...) ;-) |
| [04:16:21] | ** iamlindoro 's reshapes take 80 hours ** | |
| [04:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I'm hopeful... ;-) |
| [04:16:51] | iamlindoro: | Theoretically it's going to work |
| [04:16:52] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: ^^ is that because you've got like a bazillion terabytes, or very slow drives? ;-) |
| [04:16:53] | fryfrog: | you can use your array while you re-shape or repair |
| [04:17:01] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, the former |
| [04:17:05] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, He cannot, in this case |
| [04:17:06] | flynch: | I bought the parts for that fc4 box on 7/21/2005... gotta love newegg & their order history :-) |
| [04:17:10] | fryfrog: | ah, suck :( |
| [04:17:35] | iamlindoro: | As we had to convince mdadm that an empty drive was a healthy, fully populated member of the array |
| [04:17:43] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Yeah, but I'd prefer to let it reshape... ;-) And I'm in the minimal "Repair filesystem" mode anyways on my myth box while it attempts to recover... ;-) |
| [04:17:57] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:17:58] | iamlindoro: | so if he mounts it now, mdadm will go, "Six good drives, check! dum dee dum.... |
| [04:18:27] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: you sure it is going to end up with usable data on it? |
| [04:18:40] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, yes, as the matching stripes on the other drives still exist. |
| [04:18:52] | fryfrog: | ah, so it is only 1 empty drive |
| [04:18:55] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [04:19:11] | fryfrog: | but wouldn't that mean you bring the array online as degraded, then add a spare and let it snarf it up? |
| [04:19:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: The thing that bugs me is that before I shut down, I checked the array status with "cat /proc/mdstat" to make sure all was well... Oh well... |
| [04:19:18] | fryfrog: | how did you work around the missing raid superblock? |
| [04:19:49] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, I had him zero all superblocks and recreate it with "--assume-clean", so that it wouldn't create fresh stripes |
| [04:19:55] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: iamlindoro is an mdadm magician... ;-) |
| [04:19:59] | iamlindoro: | then I had him take down the array and assemble it with a force resync |
| [04:19:59] | fryfrog: | ohhhh, interesting idea |
| [04:20:21] | iamlindoro: | recreating fixed the superblocks, assume-clean left the stripes, and the resync should fix the empty drive |
| [04:20:41] | fryfrog: | i don't think i'd have thought of that :) |
| [04:20:52] | iamlindoro: | I've broken a lot of arrays ;) |
| [04:21:04] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [04:21:32] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I'm not counting chickens until J-e-f-f-A|wintel sends me a six pack of beer tomorrow ;) |
| [04:21:41] | iamlindoro: | from some nice boston micromrewery |
| [04:21:46] | iamlindoro: | er microbrewery |
| [04:22:01] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you actually need a beefier backend? |
| [04:22:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Who doesn't need MOAR? ;) |
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| [04:22:27] | ** iamlindoro misses Boston Oktoberfests... but not winter. ** | |
| [04:23:38] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Yeah, we'll have to arrange that... especially if it works (and probably even if it doesn't... for your effort! ;-) ) |
| [04:23:40] | wagnerrp: | im actually thinking i could use some more power... considering my desktop takes 6 hours to transcode 20 minutes of TV |
| [04:23:57] | wagnerrp: | and my backend and frontend only go down in power from there |
| [04:23:58] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, naw, you are very welcome |
| [04:24:02] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Woah, what are you running, a 286?!? |
| [04:24:08] | Gumby`: | hey all. I am trying to determine whether or not it is useful to have anything more than a mid range video card for watching 8psk mpeg4 HD content |
| [04:24:27] | wagnerrp: | 2.2GHz C2D, to 1080p h.264 |
| [04:24:57] | Gumby` is now known as Gumby | |
| [04:25:05] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Gumby` Not a the moment... the hardware decoding isnt supported (yet?) in Linux... But maybe you could plan ahead for when it will be???? |
| [04:25:40] | wagnerrp: | at the point where it would be useful, you are going to want an 8000 series or better |
| [04:26:00] | wagnerrp: | those are the oldest with full CUDA support |
| [04:26:11] | fryfrog: | what is 8psk mpeg4, the stuff from dtv? |
| [04:26:22] | wagnerrp: | 8psk is a modulation |
| [04:26:25] | wagnerrp: | mpeg4 is a codec |
| [04:26:28] | Gumby: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: I thought that'd be the answer. I just wasnt 100% sure :) Would a single core CPU be able to handle such content? (a very fast single core CPU) or is dual core 100% necessary for livetv playback? |
| [04:26:30] | iamlindoro: | the stealy stealy stuff |
| [04:26:37] | fryfrog: | well, i did at least recognize mpeg4 :) |
| [04:26:51] | iamlindoro: | It's a way of shouting "ASK ME ABOUT STEALING DISH NETWORK," mostly |
| [04:26:54] | fryfrog: | what does 8psk mpeg4 come from? |
| [04:27:01] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ |
| [04:27:04] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:27:07] | fryfrog: | is it HD? |
| [04:27:11] | iamlindoro: | some of it |
| [04:27:49] | fryfrog: | stealing in the "i'm paying for it but doing something that isn't legal with it" or just the really truely "stealing" it? |
| [04:27:53] | Gumby: | iamlindoro: I apologize, I just dont know what the exact question I should be asking as far as getting smooth livetv video |
| [04:27:56] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | ... and it probably won't work in just a month or two, I just got new smart cards for my receivers... ;-) |
| [04:28:01] | fryfrog: | or i guess if b is possible, a is also. |
| [04:28:18] | iamlindoro: | Gumby, All h.264 (which is what you are dealing with) is done in software, and myth can multithread some of that, so a dual core will help |
| [04:28:28] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, More the latter |
| [04:28:30] | Gumby: | iamlindoro: I see |
| [04:28:58] | Gumby: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: in that regard, I dont think the switch will be immediate. I know lots of people who havnt gotten their cards. |
| [04:29:30] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, If you pay for a cable subscription and then modify something so you get all the channels, which is it to you? It's similar to that, except one could theoretically skip that first step. |
| [04:29:31] | Gumby: | however most of the people that subscribe to worthwhile packages have been sent new cards |
| [04:30:11] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: i was thinking of the situation where you pay for all the channels but the only way to get them on your computer is to circumvent the DMCA. |
| [04:30:30] | Gumby: | I have a nhl center ice subscription and just before hockey season starts... whouldnt ya know it, my new cards arrived |
| [04:30:33] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, I have no moral objection to that scenario... but it's still offlimits for the room. |
| [04:30:41] | fryfrog: | yeah, true |
| [04:30:44] | iamlindoro: | s/room/channel/ |
| [04:31:38] | iamlindoro: | I am more at home with the R5000 mod, personally |
| [04:32:12] | iamlindoro: | can only watch channels you're subscribed to, have to have a subscription, but you get nice digital copies. |
| [04:32:21] | iamlindoro: | Everyone wins! |
| [04:32:23] | fryfrog: | what is R5000 mod? |
| [04:32:29] | iamlindoro: | google knows ;) |
| [04:32:37] | iamlindoro: | "r5000 dish network" |
| [04:32:39] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [04:32:43] | iamlindoro: | "r5000 direct tv" |
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| [04:32:45] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [04:32:48] | iamlindoro: | "r5000 cable" |
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| [04:33:07] | iamlindoro: | although the last is more or less a moot point as it can only be done to HD cable boxes *without* firewire |
| [04:33:12] | iamlindoro: | of which there are few these days |
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| [04:33:28] | iamlindoro: | and only the first of those three has a myth patch AFAIK |
| [04:33:44] | fryfrog: | ah, neat a usb port for an stb |
| [04:34:14] | wagnerrp: | so that 'turbo ach dee' theyre rolling out is just mpeg4 over satellite? |
| [04:34:35] | iamlindoro: | yep, the turbo is just their bs marketing term for the FEC AFAIK |
| [04:35:03] | iamlindoro: | as their proprietary method of FEC is called "Turbo FEC" |
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| [04:39:44] | flynch: | back from vacuming out the box, but alas the card is still locking up... I guess she's toast :-( |
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| [04:40:19] | pembo13_com: | i am having a problem with mythweb, http://192.168.1.3/mythweb/pl/stream/1039/1222315200.asx |
| [04:40:50] | pembo13_com: | of course the file exists just where it should be |
| [04:41:53] | fryfrog: | flynch: fans spinnin? |
| [04:42:03] | fryfrog: | pembo13_com: mythweb requires a little setup, i think. |
| [04:42:06] | flynch: | no fans on that old card, just a heat sink |
| [04:42:10] | fryfrog: | pembo13_com: iirc, a symlink maybe? |
| [04:42:16] | fryfrog: | flynch: ah, suck :/ |
| [04:42:38] | pembo13_com: | fryfrog, don't know, will double check the wiki |
| [04:42:38] | flynch: | ah yeah but we got 3 good years out of it |
| [04:43:04] | flynch: | alas it might mean the end of mythtv here... rcn recently went all-digital on us so were down to just the 1 firewire input on myth |
| [04:43:30] | fryfrog: | i've got a pvr500 and 2x air2pc's collecting dust |
| [04:43:33] | fryfrog: | for the same reason |
| [04:43:58] | flynch: | yeah rcn really annoyed me with this move |
| [04:44:10] | flynch: | I'm thinking about fios... |
| [04:44:28] | flynch: | which means no firewire ergo no more myth |
| [04:44:34] | flynch: | hence the tivo |
| [04:45:25] | flynch: | sad day... I'm gonna miss that mythbox. Its going downstairs & will live out its retirement as a sturdy file server ;-) |
| [04:45:29] | pembo13_com: | nevermind |
| [04:46:23] | wagnerrp: | woohoo, my mouse is charged back up! no more trackball for me |
| [04:46:30] | iamlindoro: | flynch, Or just get a Hauppauge HD-PVR and record whatever you want, even in HD |
| [04:47:14] | flynch: | is that thing working with myth these days? I honestly haven't looked into that option |
| [04:47:39] | wagnerrp: | complete with monstrous CPU requirements |
| [04:47:42] | iamlindoro: | It works in trunk, and will be included in the next release. |
| [04:47:52] | iamlindoro: | and yes, you'll need top-end equipment to use it |
| [04:48:21] | wagnerrp: | quad core is not necessary, just mucho megahertz |
| [04:49:06] | flynch: | is that hauppage hd pvr thing a firewire device? I assume you'd also need an ir blaster to control an external cable box. |
| [04:49:26] | wagnerrp: | USB... it has a built in IR blaster, but its not yet working |
| [04:49:33] | iamlindoro: | IT is a USB device, and you'd need some external method of controlling the STB, yes. |
| [04:49:35] | iamlindoro: | er It's |
| [04:49:36] | wagnerrp: | but, you can always just use firewire to change your cable box |
| [04:49:39] | fryfrog: | you could always use firewire to change channels too |
| [04:49:41] | fryfrog: | yar! |
| [04:51:19] | flynch: | hmm thats interesting... I'll have to take a look. thanks for the pointer guys |
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| [04:52:23] | wagnerrp: | be forewarned, that is analog capture, which may be disabled or limited in the future |
| [04:52:36] | wagnerrp: | requiring the purchase of an HDFury as well |
| [04:53:20] | iamlindoro: | He gone ;) |
| [04:53:44] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: ooh, cranking... 17.0% done now... ;-) |
| [04:53:49] | wagnerrp: | bah, i really need to pay more attention to joins/quits |
| [04:53:55] | wagnerrp: | 17% of what? |
| [04:53:58] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, I know a way to speed it up, go to bed :) |
| [04:54:08] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: ha! ;-) |
| [04:54:08] | wagnerrp: | i saw something a while back there for 334 minutes |
| [04:54:17] | wagnerrp: | only 6.5hrs |
| [04:54:19] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: raid re-sync... ;-) |
| [04:54:29] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: 2.4TB... ;-) |
| [04:54:45] | wagnerrp: | 2.4.... 300GBs? |
| [04:55:34] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: 6x 500GB |
| [04:56:14] | wagnerrp: | software? i would assume hardware would go faster |
| [04:56:39] | wagnerrp: | my card rebuilds 750s in under 6hrs, the old 300s would take around 2hrs |
| [05:00:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Yeah, it's software raid5. |
| [05:01:30] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: I was looking at hardware cards, but couldn't bring myself to commit to the huge cost of the card... |
| [05:04:05] | wagnerrp: | the rest of my backend (not including hard drives) cost as much as my raid card |
| [05:04:13] | wagnerrp: | but i dont at all regret the purchase |
| [05:04:50] | fryfrog: | i wonder what the speed limit on a rebuild is, the drive speed or cpu? i imagine if it is cpu, then soft raid could potentailly be faster. but i suspect it is drive bandwidth limited and once past a certain cpu speed... soft or hard would be the same. |
| [05:05:10] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I hemmed and hawed about it for about a month, then decided that I could live with the price difference, and put the money towards more drives... ;-) |
| [05:05:13] | fryfrog: | well, very similiar |
| [05:05:23] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: that is what i did :) |
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| [05:05:38] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: the only difference is recovery takes longer, plus it's a bit slower, but oh well... it works... ;-) |
| [05:06:08] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Onboard 6 sata ports are my raid5 for myth data, and a PCIe raid1 card has 2 200GB drives for my OS... ;-) |
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| [05:06:54] | wagnerrp: | well my card rebuilds at approximately 40MB/s x # of drives |
| [05:07:23] | fryfrog: | i assume you can use the array while it rebuilds (which would drop the speed)? |
| [05:07:33] | wagnerrp: | on my card, yes |
| [05:07:36] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, run "echo 400000 >/proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max" |
| [05:07:39] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Well, I'm running an Athlon 64 4800 x2 in this box... and it's only doing 21.4MB/sec currently – but to 6x SATAII 500GB drives all on the same controller... (or perhaps 2?) |
| [05:08:08] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, You may also want to cat 100000 or so to speed_limit_min |
| [05:08:19] | iamlindoro: | To crank up the rebuild speed to the max of the hardware |
| [05:08:34] | iamlindoro: | Since you're just running in a recovery console anyway, taking up all resources doesn't really matter |
| [05:09:04] | fryfrog: | check = 53.3% (166906312/312568576) finish=328.6min speed=7386K/sec |
| [05:09:05] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | it's up to 23MB/sec now.. |
| [05:09:23] | fryfrog: | is that only 7mb/sec? |
| [05:09:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | resync = 20.8% (102037656/488383744) finish=294.3min speed=21873K/sec |
| [05:09:52] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Yep. |
| [05:10:48] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: so echo 100000 to speed_limit_min ? |
| [05:10:55] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [05:11:02] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | 10–4... ;-) |
| [05:11:02] | fryfrog: | anyone enable bitmap on their array? |
| [05:11:18] | iamlindoro: | It won't ever get to 100 MB/s rebuild, but this will get it closer to maxing out the hardware speed |
| [05:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Yeah, it seems to be hovering between 22M/sec and 23M/sec now... |
| [05:14:05] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Ooh, almost hit 24: [====>................] resync = 22.0% (107475552/488383744) finish=264.8min speed=23965K/sec |
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| [05:15:15] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: realize that in order to write at 24MB/s to one drive, it has to read at 24MB/s from all 5 other drives |
| [05:15:24] | wagnerrp: | so thats fairly respectable |
| [05:15:56] | fryfrog: | anyone use dstat? |
| [05:15:59] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Oh yeah... ;-) So not too bad then... ;-) |
| [05:16:24] | fryfrog: | i swear i used to be able to do dstat -d -D total,md0 |
| [05:16:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | cpu0 is 86% idle... cpu1 is 0% idle... ;-) |
| [05:17:07] | wagnerrp: | well thats XOR (and software based controllers) for you |
| [05:18:03] | fryfrog: | wow, resync using nearly 100% here too, neat |
| [05:18:11] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: I'm doing the raid completly in software, so yeah, it is to be expected... ;-) (sdc thru sdh) |
| [05:18:12] | fryfrog: | i can see a hardware card being nice for resyncs :) |
| [05:18:24] | fryfrog: | can your card expand your array? |
| [05:18:39] | wagnerrp: | my rebuilds require all of 0 CPU |
| [05:18:41] | fryfrog: | i think most new-ish raid cards can, iirc |
| [05:18:57] | wagnerrp: | i can expand my array, and increase in number, but i cant go the other direction |
| [05:19:08] | fryfrog: | i don't think anyone can go down :) |
| [05:19:10] | wagnerrp: | increase in RAID number |
| [05:19:22] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Yeah, the reason the 'real' raid5 hardware cards were out of the question for now is that I wanted at least 8 ports... ;-) |
| [05:19:22] | fryfrog: | and # of disks? |
| [05:19:33] | wagnerrp: | 12 |
| [05:19:53] | fryfrog: | you have 12 disks or 12 sata ports? |
| [05:20:01] | wagnerrp: | 12 sata ports |
| [05:20:14] | wagnerrp: | currently 7 in use |
| [05:20:14] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: what card? |
| [05:20:23] | wagnerrp: | although my last array had 11 in use |
| [05:20:27] | wagnerrp: | ARC-1230 |
| [05:21:01] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: and it can up-size the number of disks in the array? (i read what you said as being able to go from say, raid1 -> raid5, but that sort of implies an increase in disks) |
| [05:21:37] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | wagnerrp: Yeah... $659.99 on newegg... ouch... ;-) |
| [05:21:39] | wagnerrp: | i can both expand the array, and upgrade the array type, with a live file system |
| [05:21:48] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [05:22:02] | fryfrog: | expandable cache? battery backed? |
| [05:22:08] | wagnerrp: | of course i have to unmount the disk to subsequently expand the file system |
| [05:22:19] | wagnerrp: | expandable cache, DDR SoDIMMS |
| [05:22:34] | wagnerrp: | battery backing is option, but i dont have the backup module |
| [05:22:56] | fryfrog: | ever been screwed by a power failure? or is your power pretty good? (or ups'ing it?) |
| [05:23:05] | wagnerrp: | UPS |
| [05:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Battery is $119.99 on newegg... |
| [05:23:51] | fryfrog: | now *that* is crazy |
| [05:23:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, not really worth it for my application |
| [05:24:09] | wagnerrp: | considering the UPS its on was $60 |
| [05:24:14] | fryfrog: | could probably just use the stats and buy the same rating battery for like $20 |
| [05:26:11] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Maybe, problem is that they use a 14-pin ribbon cable to connect to the battery board, which has a speaker and some surface mount stuff on the board too from the pics on newegg... so it's not just a battery to plug into the controller... |
| [05:27:15] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | (er, 16 pin, I can't count...) ;-) |
| [05:28:11] | fryfrog: | ah, nice of them :) |
| [05:28:33] | wagnerrp: | you mean you actually wanted something standard? |
| [05:28:58] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: Probably just a thermal sensor and a few discreet components to monitor the battery temp, etc... in addition to the alarm speaker (peizo), etc... |
| [05:29:19] | fryfrog: | just enough to make it impossible to just go pick up a battery :0 |
| [05:30:14] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | fryfrog: hehe... I'll bet you could replace the battery itself with an 'aftermarket' one, but without having that pcb to reverse-engineer, it'd be a little tough to create your own battery pack/adapter unit... ;-) |
| [05:30:49] | wagnerrp: | well the battery probably lasts for the enterprise life of the card |
| [05:31:02] | wagnerrp: | those things dont get more than a few years use before theyre upgraded |
| [05:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Yeah, true... and if you're crazy enough to spend $660 on a raid controller, what's another $120?!? ;-) |
| [05:31:46] | wagnerrp: | to me? thats another TB of space |
| [05:32:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | True... ;-) Gee, is the 'raid 6' mode supported in Linux? |
| [05:32:35] | wagnerrp: | the array appears as a single scsi drive in whatever operating system you are using |
| [05:32:44] | wagnerrp: | its absolutely independent of the OS |
| [05:33:15] | fryfrog: | nice, it does raid6 too? |
| [05:33:19] | clever: | then how do you configure what type of raid it does! |
| [05:33:23] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | I asked because the newegg description says "Areca ARC-1230 PCI-Express x8 SATA II Controller Card RAID level 0, 1 (10), 3, 5, 6 (if RAID 6 engine supported) and JBOD – Retail" |
| [05:33:46] | wagnerrp: | the smaller cards can be configured though the driver |
| [05:33:56] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | ... "If RAID 6 engine supported"... |
| [05:34:06] | wagnerrp: | the 12x and larger cards have an ethernet port, and built in web server |
| [05:34:15] | clever: | lol |
| [05:34:17] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel drools... ** | |
| [05:34:31] | clever: | ummm, i have a ton of core dumps here |
| [05:34:31] | wagnerrp: | along with SNMP and some other features |
| [05:34:39] | clever: | core.mythbackend.8516.dadxp core.mythtranscode.8456.dadxp core.mythtranscode.8477.dadxp core.sha1_collisions.26339.d600 |
| [05:34:41] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | I'll bet it sends out emails too, independent of the host system... |
| [05:34:42] | wagnerrp: | i absolutely love the OOB management on that thing |
| [05:34:56] | wagnerrp: | yes, it emails my phone in the event of a drive failure |
| [05:35:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel drools some more... ** | |
| [05:35:09] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: neat |
| [05:35:27] | ** clever drools ** | |
| [05:35:37] | wagnerrp: | of course im sure tyou can set the same thing up in LVM with some monitoring scripts |
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| [05:35:56] | clever: | i have swap on lvm on a laptop |
| [05:36:08] | clever: | and i can hear the sectors that are borderline bad being swaped |
| [05:36:09] | wagnerrp: | clever: thats because youre psychotic |
| [05:36:43] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | I wouldn't have been in this "sitcheation" if I had a hardware card... Although the hard failure occured on re-boot, so I dunno... Well, the corruption of the superblock on one of the good drives wouldn't have happened anyways... |
| [05:37:14] | clever: | wagnerrp: i was trying to make an install on there with everything on lvm |
| [05:37:14] | clever: | having root/swap/data on lvm is nice |
| [05:37:14] | clever: | but the root kept hitting too many bad sectors for the install to stand on its own feet |
| [05:37:54] | clever: | mythbackend --version |
| [05:37:55] | clever: | Segmentation fault |
| [05:38:00] | clever: | something is realy screwed up... |
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| [05:41:46] | wagnerrp: | thats usually about the time you replace the hard drive |
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| [05:42:04] | wagnerrp: | i think im on my fourth for my laptop |
| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | plus a spare |
| [05:42:34] | clever: | when the hdd went tits up |
| [05:42:38] | clever: | i copyed the whole thing to nfs |
| [05:42:44] | clever: | and started running the system nfsroot |
| [05:43:09] | clever: | the whole laptop is in such poor shape that it cant realy be moved much anymore |
| [05:43:28] | clever: | so adding an ethernet leash doesnt realy harm it much |
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| [05:45:09] | clever: | weee, i just sent a swapless system into a oom death spiral! |
| [05:46:10] | clever: | which forcibly flushed the file cache |
| [05:46:19] | clever: | and suddenly mythbackend doesnt segfault anymore! |
| [05:46:47] | clever: | im guessing some read over nfs got corrupt somehow and corrupted the file cache |
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| [06:16:51] | mchou: | wagnerrp: can you do 'dmesg | grep tveeprom' on your mythbackend and paste the results to pastebin? |
| [06:17:51] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.ca/1211260 |
| [06:20:11] | wagnerrp: | those are just 150s |
| [06:20:24] | mchou: | wagnerrp: I dont think your system is set up correctly. Line 1 is very bad indicator (module conflicts) |
| [06:21:08] | wagnerrp: | i guarantee its not set up correctly |
| [06:21:21] | wagnerrp: | i never took the time to set up the framegrabber on my 1250 |
| [06:21:34] | mchou: | wagnerrp: it's indicative of versioning issues on modules |
| [06:22:29] | mchou: | which tveeprom-major corresponds to your 1250? |
| [06:22:50] | wagnerrp: | no idea, im assuming 0 |
| [06:22:53] | mchou: | line 3 #3? |
| [06:23:00] | wagnerrp: | as i said, i never took the time to set it up |
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| [06:24:10] | wagnerrp: | the last time ive actually had to put effort into getting those 150s running was about 3 years ago |
| [06:24:23] | wagnerrp: | now its all automated, so ive forgotten everything i knew about them |
| [06:24:44] | mchou: | well, let me know when you have 1250 set up. I dont think 1250 tuner is same as 1600 |
| [06:25:01] | mchou: | at least according to the wiki's it's not |
| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | the 1250 analog tuner is NOT the same as the 1600 |
| [06:25:16] | wagnerrp: | it is a frame grabber |
| [06:25:23] | wagnerrp: | i have no intention of ever getting it running |
| [06:25:49] | mchou: | no, the 1250 digital tuner I was talking about |
| [06:26:03] | mchou: | couldnt care less re analog |
| [06:27:59] | mchou: | according to wikis the 1250 uses Microtune MT2131 (tuner for digital) |
| [06:28:24] | mchou: | that's certainly not the digital tuner on the 1600 |
| [06:29:37] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.ca/1211266 |
| [06:30:36] | mchou: | heh, that's nit the same digital tuner on 1600 |
| [06:30:40] | mchou: | not* |
| [06:30:53] | mchou: | wiki is correct for once |
| [06:32:36] | wagnerrp: | ok, the 1250 uses the same tuner/demodulator as the 1800 |
| [06:35:32] | mchou: | anyway, fact remains 1600 is substandard card due to cheap ass didital tuner |
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| [06:36:14] | mchou: | digital* |
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| [09:08:28] | ** justinh consigns #5454 to the bin. won't fix ** | |
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| [09:10:29] | directhex: | justinh, does bugzilla have a "stupid" status? |
| [09:11:21] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:11:38] | directhex: | shame |
| [09:11:49] | justinh: | but 'won'tfix' fits in with 'no longer maintained' |
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| [10:02:57] | justinh: | I'll make one concession though, since that ticket wasn't to fix real issues.. I can commit the changes to trunk instead. I'm not that much of a bastard |
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| [10:12:54] | justinh: | ach well. by the time this svn checkout is finished I'll have lost the motivation to do anything |
| [10:14:38] | justinh: | ctrl c, rm -rf trunk |
| [10:17:07] | clever: | ctrl+c doesnt allways work on svn |
| [10:17:13] | clever: | it blocks signals at random points |
| [10:17:27] | clever: | though if your going to rm, then a kill -9 cant hurt anything |
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| [12:58:33] | justinh: | stupid bind docs. all I want to do is look up machine hostnames on my network. I don't want or need to know any of the 'official' bullshit |
| [12:59:11] | ivor: | :) yup bind is arcane. |
| [13:00:41] | justinh: | why in the world does a machine at home need a fully qualified domain name anyway? whatever the f*ck one of them is |
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| [13:03:15] | GreyFoxx: | www = host www.phaze.org = FQDN |
| [13:04:19] | justinh: | all these docs just look like bollocks |
| [13:04:30] | justinh: | so much is just assumed. I give up |
| [13:04:50] | GreyFoxx: | You could just use /etc/hosts |
| [13:04:54] | GreyFoxx: | surely you don't have many |
| [13:05:05] | GreyFoxx: | not neough to need a whole dns server :) |
| [13:05:20] | justinh: | I don't, but it'd be nice to be able to use names all over the network |
| [13:05:49] | justinh: | without hand-editing files everywhere I mean |
| [13:05:49] | ivor: | GreyFoxx: nah it's not so bad. I've got dhcp and bind running and hosts get their ip and register their names dynamically. |
| [13:05:53] | jblack: | I use dns in my network, but I don't see why most need to go through the effort. |
| [13:06:18] | justinh: | hang on – it's probably not even as if I'd be able to use said hostnames on a windows box anyway |
| [13:06:36] | ivor: | justinh: yup works between windows boxes too. |
| [13:07:09] | justinh: | but would each name you use have to include the domain name or just the hostname? |
| [13:07:25] | ivor: | you can use just the shortname. |
| [13:07:28] | kslater: | If I have a .20.2 existing master backend and I build a new master backend based on .21, what's the best way to migrate the old recordings over to the new machine? |
| [13:07:42] | justinh: | kslater: you have loads of choices |
| [13:07:45] | ivor: | e.g. ping sixtyfour |
| [13:07:45] | ivor: | PING sixtyfour.home.ivor.org (192.168.0.32): 56 data bytes |
| [13:07:59] | justinh: | export the whole database & all the recordings to the new box |
| [13:08:02] | ivor: | nslookup 192.168.0.32 |
| [13:08:03] | ivor: | 32.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa name = sixtyfour.home.ivor.org. |
| [13:08:08] | meik1: | hi there! I compiled both 0.21-fixes and 0.22(trunk). I can install both without any visible errors. The frontend of 0.21-fixes just runs as supposed, connecting to the local mysql database. But 0.22 will not connect, are there any restrictions at 0.22 at this time? |
| [13:08:25] | justinh: | meik1: you cannot. that's CANNOT mix versions |
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| [13:08:46] | meik1: | no, I 've done an make unstall before a make install of the other version |
| [13:08:51] | meik1: | just one at a time |
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| [13:09:27] | meik1: | so fixes finds the database, but 0.22 does not. sounds crazy to me? |
| [13:09:38] | justinh: | sounds like user error to me |
| [13:10:02] | kslater: | justinh: lots of file copies to move the recordings though. I'm wondering if I can drop a drive full of recordings onto the new machine, but I figure that will require some database changes since the location of the recordings will have to change, no? |
| [13:10:05] | justinh: | either that or you're not running mysql5.x |
| [13:10:24] | justinh: | kslater: mount the recordings disk to the same location ;) |
| [13:11:01] | kslater: | I guess since the storage groups is in .21 I could have old vs. new and that should work. |
| [13:11:17] | kslater: | old in /var/tv, new in /storage/recordings |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | any clues to this? The log says: |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | 2008-09–26 15:09:54.631 Unable to init db connection. |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | 2008-09–26 15:09:54.631 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [13:12:04] | meik1: | 2008-09–26 15:09:54.631 MSqlDatabase::OpenDatabase(), db object is not valid! |
| [13:13:26] | justinh: | meik1: what version of mysql do you have installed? |
| [13:13:32] | justinh: | and in future, use a pastebin! |
| [13:14:01] | meik1: | sorry for that – 18442 |
| [13:14:11] | justinh: | also looks like you don't have the qt mysql client libs installed |
| [13:14:27] | meik1: | you the qt3 ones? |
| [13:14:40] | meik1: | you mean the qt3 ones? |
| [13:14:54] | justinh: | trunk needs qt4 |
| [13:15:11] | justinh: | and mysql5.x |
| [13:15:49] | directhex: | justinh, want a hand? |
| [13:15:56] | directhex: | justinh, step 1, install samba on linux machines |
| [13:16:04] | directhex: | justinh, step 2, install winbind on linux machines |
| [13:16:18] | directhex: | justinh, step 3, add "wins" to the end of the "hosts" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| [13:16:26] | justinh: | directhex: I'm past caring now |
| [13:16:30] | justinh: | but thanks anyway |
| [13:16:32] | directhex: | justinh, step 4, make sure windows & linux machines are set to use the same workgroup |
| [13:16:36] | directhex: | bam, job jobbed |
| [13:16:45] | justinh: | should've facking stayed in bed today |
| [13:17:14] | meik1: | @justinh: wow, that's it! Thanks. I thought that the configure script whould tell if the libraries where missing |
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| [13:30:06] | mzb_d800: | meik1: runtime vs source dependencies |
| [13:30:28] | mzb_d800: | (and you might be building on a machine that is not the end target) |
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| [13:54:37] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | hullo all |
| [13:54:45] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | anyone awake? |
| [13:56:54] | directhex: | no |
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| [13:57:05] | mzb_d800: | *snore* |
| [13:57:38] | ** mzb_d800 kicks #mythtv-users out of bed ** | |
| [13:58:21] | ** JEDIDIAH_myth is contemplating load ** | |
| [13:58:41] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I've recently had my pvr-150 flake out a bit and was wondering if it was load realated. |
| [13:59:05] | mzb_d800: | pciset ionice ++ experimentation |
| [13:59:38] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | load was above 10 a few minutes ago. |
| [14:02:26] | mzb_d800: | top + gkrellm (remotely if necessary with -s" |
| [14:06:02] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | 2 backends (3 cpu total), 2 frontends (4 cpu total) with 7 jobs running across them and 3 tuners. |
| [14:06:06] | mzb_d800: | justinh: re dns have you tried dnsmasq? |
| [14:06:36] | justinh: | mzb_d800: already using that. but nevermind. I said I've given up |
| [14:06:41] | mzb_d800: | kk |
| [14:06:53] | justinh: | just can't be arsed today. taking me all my resolve just to keep myself from destroying stuff |
| [14:07:00] | directhex: | http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=93559 . . . barred" |
| [14:08:38] | mzb_d800: | JEDIDIAH_myth: for mythhost in be1 be2 fe1 fe2 fe3 fe4; do gkrellm -s $mythhost &; done |
| [14:08:52] | mzb_d800: | s/fe3 fe4// |
| [14:09:56] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | what does krellm show beyond what you can get from top? |
| [14:10:11] | mzb_d800: | realtime graphs |
| [14:10:39] | mzb_d800: | network, disk, sensors, load, swap, ....... etc |
| [14:11:20] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | network sounds like it would be handy (and not just replicating top) |
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| [14:12:50] | ** justinh wonders if today's soundtrack of Marc Almond wailing has anything to do with his seriously fucking foul mood ** | |
| [14:13:58] | mzb_d800: | JEDIDIAH_myth: invert the network and disk writes for clarity |
| [14:14:02] | ** directhex hands justinh some 80s german electronic noises ** | |
| [14:15:13] | mzb_d800: | I also use resize to 120 width, and use the longest (most detailed) Format Strings but change the totals to be properly centered: |
| [14:15:26] | mzb_d800: | net: \f\ww\C\f$M\D2\f\ar\.$r\D1\f\at\.$t\b\c\f$L |
| [14:15:37] | mzb_d800: | disk: \f\ww\C\f$M\D2\f\ar\. $r\D1\f\aw\. $w |
| [14:15:53] | mzb_d800: | apart from that, good to go |
| [14:16:02] | justinh: | anyway, what makes you think your problems (as yet unmentioned) are load related? |
| [14:16:23] | mzb_d800: | totally simplifies identification of most issues |
| [14:16:27] | justinh: | 'flakes out a bit'.. wooo too technical for me bud |
| [14:17:52] | mzb_d800: | don't ask if you don't want to know ;) |
| [14:18:32] | justinh: | he could be barking up completely the wrong tree is all I'm saying |
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| [14:19:04] | mzb_d800: | so I've presented a way of graphically analysing all the machines at once ... right? |
| [14:19:47] | justinh: | without knowing the symptoms... it's a moot point |
| [14:20:31] | mzb_d800: | that's your assessment ... take it up with JEDIDIAH_myth if you're that interested |
| [14:20:39] | mzb_d800: | I've got better things to do |
| [14:21:20] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
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| [14:37:04] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | so far there's a nice correlation between load average and my bits of corrupted video in the PVR-150. |
| [14:37:19] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | although i haven't found anything in the log regarding the 150 yes. |
| [14:37:21] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | yet. |
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| [14:38:04] | justinh: | corrupted recordings or corrupted on playback? |
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| [14:40:04] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I'm pretty sure the recording itself is buggered. |
| [14:40:52] | justinh: | hmmm. could be tricky to pin down what's causing it though |
| [14:41:01] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | some recordings had video "noise" and others had subtle sound problems. |
| [14:41:18] | justinh: | could be pci latency related or anything |
| [14:41:18] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I suspect taking it easy on the master backend will sort things out in any case. |
| [14:41:35] | Cyberai: | Does anyone have a good HOWTO on configurung a slave backend? |
| [14:43:26] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I figure having as many as 10 different processes across the network trying to hammer the same disk at the same time can't be helping. |
| [14:43:32] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | '-) |
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| [14:48:45] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | is there a non-graphical equivalent of gkrellm? |
| [14:50:08] | Cyberai: | top |
| [14:50:14] | Cyberai: | JEDIDIAH_myth, top |
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| [14:53:08] | Kazan: | so what is with liveTV not having sound? |
| [14:54:07] | directhex: | you use a framegrabber? |
| [14:54:15] | Kazan: | no |
| [14:54:24] | Kazan: | PVR-500 and Kworld ATSC 110 |
| [14:54:24] | directhex: | what do you use? |
| [14:54:29] | Kazan: | sound works fine in prerecorded |
| [14:54:37] | ** Kazan is using trunk ** | |
| [14:54:45] | Kazan: | (much to the detriment of my WAF) |
| [14:55:15] | directhex: | god knows if things are broken in trunk. trunk's for those who fix their own bugs |
| [14:55:29] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [14:55:42] | Kazan: | i think it's the same way in .21-fixes for me though, but no way to check now |
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| [14:55:54] | Kazan: | .21-fixes was giving me fits when i upgraded to FC9 |
| [14:55:58] | Kazan: | wouldn't compile |
| [14:56:00] | Kazan: | qt issues |
| [14:57:02] | Kazan: | not that we use livetv much |
| [14:57:04] | Kazan: | just curioous |
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| [14:58:54] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | top... not quite. topas (aix) mebbe |
| [14:59:36] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | anyways, I just enabled sar "collection" so I can go back and see what was going on when a given (bad) recording was being made. |
| [15:00:01] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | playback issues definitely lower the WAF |
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| [15:00:34] | Kazan: | as of late my HD recordings have all had issues |
| [15:00:42] | Kazan: | no idea if it's the kernel version i was running or what |
| [15:01:54] | Kazan: | well.. i just rebooted so it's now running a newer kernel |
| [15:02:08] | Kazan: | 2.6.26 |
| [15:02:14] | Kazan: | see if it's working better now |
| [15:05:14] | Kazan: | ok.. either it was the modules for that kernel; version or it's a signal issue |
| [15:05:16] | Kazan: | it was fine now |
| [15:05:24] | Cyberai: | Does anyone have a good HOWTO on configurung a slave backend? |
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| [15:13:21] | monkeypet: | Kazan: what kind of issues? |
| [15:13:37] | monkeypet: | Kazan: what is your capture device? |
| [15:14:16] | Kazan: | monkeypet: HD recordings have all had corrupt frames all over the place |
| [15:14:19] | Kazan: | Kworld ATSC 110 |
| [15:14:25] | Kazan: | i suspect it was a signal issue |
| [15:14:33] | Kazan: | just did a test recording and it was clean |
| [15:15:23] | monkeypet: | Kazan: I have the same issue with my hdhomerun, but I assume it is a signal issue since my tvs are picking up artifates as well. |
| [15:15:49] | monkeypet: | Anyone here have a samsung 7 or 8 series? |
| [15:15:57] | Kazan: | saa7133? |
| [15:16:18] | Kazan: | because that is what the kworld is |
| [15:17:12] | Kazan: | WTF |
| [15:17:22] | Kazan: | my backend log is spammed to all heck |
| [15:17:35] | Kazan: | DB errors |
| [15:17:40] | Kazan: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [15:18:10] | Kazan: | (last line direct quote from the log) |
| [15:18:23] | Kazan: | errors when trying to insert into recordedseek |
| [15:18:45] | Kazan: | eww |
| [15:18:47] | Kazan: | table is crashed i think |
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| [15:25:38] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | running isam instead of innodb? |
| [15:25:53] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | bloody annoying... |
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| [15:27:26] | Kazan: | nope |
| [15:27:28] | Kazan: | inno |
| [15:27:35] | Kazan: | or |
| [15:27:40] | Kazan: | i guess they are myISAM tables |
| [15:27:40] | Kazan: | wtf |
| [15:27:50] | Kazan: | grr |
| [15:27:59] | Kazan: | crete script eons ago made them MyISAM |
| [15:28:11] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | yup |
| [15:28:24] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | n00bs + no crash recovery is a bad combination. |
| [15:28:27] | Kazan: | repair table fixed it |
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| [15:36:40] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, the word "Funnest" appears on www.apple.com. |
| [15:36:45] | iamlindoro_: | On the front page |
| [15:36:54] | iamlindoro_: | I weep for our youth, as always. |
| [15:39:34] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ad men abusing the english language... same sh*t as always. |
| [15:40:19] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | If you care, you probably are not inclined to us an Apple. |
| [15:40:53] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | there's probably some little detail you want more control over... |
| [15:40:56] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | '-) |
| [15:41:03] | Kazan: | iamlindoro_: you know language is polymorphic over time |
| [15:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | "Funnest" is no more a word than "nucular." |
| [15:41:46] | Kazan: | and reintroducing the word "funnest" into the language is actually making it more like it's ancestor language than it is now |
| [15:42:03] | Kazan: | because it follows the regular superlative formation pattern |
| [15:42:40] | Kazan: | good/better/best – gute/besser/am besten |
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| [15:56:00] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... Are there any major gotchas to using Ubuntu over Fedora? |
| [15:56:40] | ** sutula puzzles over why RyeBrye would be asking that in #mythtv-users ** | |
| [15:56:48] | RyeBrye: | Oh, I mean for a mythTV setup |
| [15:57:10] | ** sutula nods ** | |
| [15:57:13] | RyeBrye: | Is building from source on Ubuntu a hassle? |
| [15:57:22] | RyeBrye: | or rather – any more of a hassle than on Fedora? |
| [15:57:42] | ** sutula would guess it to be easier...just apt-get install the right dependencies ** | |
| [15:58:09] | sutula: | ...a Fedora user will probably disagree, which I'm not |
| [15:58:29] | sutula: | Then, we can have a religious distro argument :) |
| [15:58:30] | RyeBrye: | I've been a fedora user for a long time – but I was really surprised with how well put together things were |
| [15:58:55] | RyeBrye: | That... and Fedora's installer crashed on me every time when it tried to install the kernel package about halfway through the install process |
| [15:59:30] | sutula: | Try Ubuntu, if you have some spare disk space somewhere |
| [15:59:43] | RyeBrye: | It's a brand new server so disk space isn't an issue |
| [15:59:43] | sutula: | I had no trouble building myth on debian |
| [15:59:53] | RyeBrye: | Looks like there are some wiki instructions. |
| [16:00:29] | RyeBrye: | The only hesitation I have is that I've learned most of the quirks of Fedora by now, and assume I have a whole new set of quirks to learn with Ubuntu |
| [16:00:42] | Kazan: | um sutula |
| [16:00:50] | Kazan: | yum install the right dependancies |
| [16:00:50] | Kazan: | presto |
| [16:01:02] | ** Kazan has had way less problems building myth on fedora than on ubuntu ** | |
| [16:01:11] | RyeBrye: | Kazan – interesting – so you've run both? |
| [16:01:11] | Kazan: | ubuntu likes to install GCC in a state in which it cannot do anything |
| [16:01:25] | ** sutula snarkily points Kazan to RyeBrye's earlier complaint ** | |
| [16:01:44] | RyeBrye: | Yes, the installer blew up on Fedora – I'm going to try the Unity respin on the advice of #Fedora |
| [16:02:06] | Kazan: | ?! |
| [16:02:14] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that was my reaction |
| [16:02:16] | Kazan: | are you trying an upgrade install from a really old? |
| [16:02:21] | RyeBrye: | No, trying a brand new install |
| [16:02:25] | Kazan: | wtfsauce |
| [16:02:26] | Kazan: | fc9? |
| [16:02:28] | RyeBrye: | Yep |
| [16:02:44] | sutula: | Honestly, I've never tried ubuntu. It worked fine on Debian...assumed it would work on Ubuntu, but that's assuming a lot |
| [16:03:01] | RyeBrye: | x86_64 from a DVD that I burned from an ISO that had a correct sha sum, and the disk passed the media check |
| [16:03:12] | Kazan: | weird |
| [16:03:22] | Kazan: | run memtest86 on your machine |
| [16:03:44] | RyeBrye: | I did run it last night – was too lazy to let it complete but it did get 60% of the way with no errors. I'll run it again |
| [16:04:20] | RyeBrye: | No matter which packages I picked to install, when the actual kernel package was being installed, it would bomb out and give my some python-esque trace and at the bottom it woudl say somethign about a read only file system or some crap like that – despite the fact that it had already copied over everything else and it just recreated the partition table for me itself |
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| [16:05:09] | RyeBrye: | I might try to install it again today – there is an option to get that stacktrace out of anaconda, but it requires you to enter in a remote host / port / username / password and I have no idea what kind of service I need to set up to receive the stacktrace out of it |
| [16:05:22] | RyeBrye: | It would be nice if I could just save it to a USB drive or something |
| [16:05:59] | Kazan: | blank your harddrives? :P |
| [16:06:01] | Kazan: | start clean |
| [16:06:16] | RyeBrye: | It's a brand new box – so I blanked the HD each time |
| [16:06:33] | Kazan: | kk |
| [16:06:38] | Kazan: | something wonky is going on |
| [16:07:01] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. It's definitely a bug – most likely in the installer |
| [16:07:14] | RyeBrye: | The #fedora folks recommend trying the Fedora respin because it's got an updated installer and such on it |
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| [16:07:25] | RyeBrye: | i guess the specific respin is the "unity respin" |
| [16:07:55] | RyeBrye: | I started jidgo getting that last night, and who knows when it will finish. |
| [16:08:48] | RyeBrye: | I'll go start the machine doing memtest – that will give it something to do and give me an excuse to keep working |
| [16:09:55] | Kazan: | you're not using the standard installer? |
| [16:10:01] | Kazan: | stop using a respin :D |
| [16:10:04] | Kazan: | use the standard |
| [16:10:09] | RyeBrye: | No, I was using the standard |
| [16:10:11] | Kazan: | aah |
| [16:10:20] | RyeBrye: | that was the one that failed – so the only suggestion in #fedora was to try a respin |
| [16:10:26] | Kazan: | aah |
| [16:10:37] | RyeBrye: | apparently the "unity' respin is the golden master + updates – or so they say |
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| [16:11:37] | reber: | hi all |
| [16:11:40] | reber: | i'm explaning, maybe it's not the right channel. First of all, I know about hardware table of compatibility. I'm looking for an USB DVB/Analog tuner (hybrid) that is *quite stable* about its revision. By quite stable i mean that the manufacturer doesn't change its revision/chipset every two months. Advices ? |
| [16:12:21] | sutula: | Kazan: I rest my case :) |
| [16:12:29] | iamlindoro_: | You probably want #linuxtv. But anyway, anything Hauppauge is probably pretty unchanging. |
| [16:13:08] | iamlindoro_: | specifically, the http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_U . . . -NOVA-T_usb2 |
| [16:13:12] | iamlindoro_: | would probably fit the bitt |
| [16:13:14] | iamlindoro_: | er bill |
| [16:14:34] | reber: | iamlindoro, are you shure it's a DVB + Analog tuner ? |
| [16:17:31] | iamlindoro_: | reber: There's not enough bandwidth on USB for raw analog video. |
| [16:17:46] | iamlindoro_: | If you want that, you will need to purchase a PCI card |
| [16:18:22] | iamlindoro_: | I suppos there's the outside possibility that there exists a USB DVB-T device that also has a hardware encoder, but I've never heard of any. |
| [16:19:24] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hvr900.html |
| [16:19:27] | iamlindoro_: | There, that ought to do |
| [16:20:16] | reber: | iamlindoro, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTe . . . rid_T_USB_XS for instance |
| [16:21:10] | reber: | yep or the hauppauge too |
| [16:21:39] | iamlindoro_: | reber, Hauppauge very infrequently changes their chipsets, but buy what you want. If you want further information/discussion, it really ought to be in #linuxtv |
| [16:22:04] | iamlindoro_: | I can only think of one *major* chipset change within a single Hauppuage product, ever. |
| [16:22:23] | reber: | okay |
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| [16:57:36] | franck3d: | is there a known bug where myth system info reports incorrect memory usage? |
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| [16:59:51] | franck3d: | is there a known bug where myth system info reports incorrect memory usage? |
| [17:00:03] | iamlindoro_: | don't repeat yourself |
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| [17:01:10] | franck3d: | sorry for the bump, wasn't sure anybody saw it. |
| [17:01:18] | iamlindoro_: | We saw it. Twice. |
| [17:01:31] | franck3d: | okay then |
| [17:01:33] | iamlindoro_: | It would be better to be more specific about how you think it is incorrect. |
| [17:02:43] | franck3d: | gladly. it reports that i have only 3 or 4 percent of my 2gb or ram available after the machine has been on for more that a few minutes, but checking the gnome system monitor is says I have 80% free. |
| [17:02:49] | iamlindoro_: | and you can track known issues yourself at svn.mythtv.org |
| [17:03:13] | iamlindoro_: | The gnome system monitor and myth likely reckon free memory in different ways. |
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| [17:04:25] | iamlindoro_: | You can look at the output of the "free" command to learn more |
| [17:04:53] | iamlindoro_: | Myth probably reports the output of the first row of the third column, "free." |
| [17:05:11] | iamlindoro_: | GSM most likely reports that amount but adds back in the buffers/cache |
| [17:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | Which would be the third column, second row. |
| [17:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | In short, linux will eat up all the memory that's available, but that's because it buffers/caches into most of it |
| [17:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | But the buffer/cache space is more or less still usable memory |
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| [17:15:10] | franck3d: | thanks! |
| [17:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [17:38:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Well, the raid is active, but I don't see my jfs partition on it... Is it as simple as creating a partion with fdisk, or am i fubar'd? |
| [17:38:26] | Lynet: | Barry Schwartz was right, picking FE hardware is painful, |
| [17:40:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Hi... ^^^ |
| [17:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: so?? |
| [17:40:50] | iamlindoro_: | oh |
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| [17:41:12] | iamlindoro_: | gah, probably fubared |
| [17:41:23] | iamlindoro_: | hmmmm |
| [17:41:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Sorry... ;-) tab-completion didn't get the "_" the first time, and I didn't notice it... |
| [17:42:02] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: have you rebooted yet? |
| [17:42:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Should I try to run 'testdisk' on it? – Yes, have rebooted... |
| [17:42:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I'm on the box now, with the fstab entry commented out. |
| [17:43:26] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Not sure what to try on this one, I'm afraid |
| [17:43:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I'll give it a shot then... nothing else to lose at this point! ;-) |
| [17:44:05] | iamlindoro_: | //www.mail-archive.com/jfs-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00181.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/jfs-discussion@li . . . sg00181.html |
| [17:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | Might follow that thread (I am reading it myself right now) |
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| [17:45:34] | iamlindoro_: | http://blog.skaelede.hu/archives/2007/05/07/r . . . nder-ubuntu/ |
| [17:45:38] | iamlindoro_: | May also help |
| [17:46:00] | iamlindoro_: | Just don't go recreating filesystems or fdisking anything until you've tried at least that last one |
| [17:46:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Thanks, I'm looking at them... ;-) |
| [17:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | obviously replacing sda2 with md0 |
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| [17:50:55] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: //www.mail-archive.com/jfs-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00622.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/jfs-discussion@li . . . sg00622.html |
| [17:50:58] | iamlindoro_: | also a possibility |
| [17:51:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Humm... fsck said too many cross-links... yuck... |
| [17:51:20] | iamlindoro_: | Try the last, then, maybe |
| [17:51:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Mounted it read-only per one of the links, directory structure is there, but many files are not. — continuing to read... |
| [17:51:44] | directhex: | jfs data loss? |
| [17:51:49] | directhex: | happens |
| [17:51:54] | directhex: | i warn and warn, but... |
| [17:52:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: raid5 issue... I disk went belly-up on cold boot, another got a bad superblock somehow... |
| [17:52:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: So, jfs on top of raid5... |
| [17:52:51] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: what RAID controller? |
| [17:52:54] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: What we did *should* have worked without issue, I am wondering whether there is the secondary issue of filesystem corruption at the same time |
| [17:53:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Just on-board 6 sata ports – software raid5. |
| [17:53:49] | gbee: | it's ironic that directhex was warning about jfs just last night |
| [17:54:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I know what you mean... Ah, it's just TV recordings... 2.4TB of them, but oh well, if I have to start over, so be it... |
| [17:54:02] | directhex: | abandon hope all ye who enter here! |
| [17:54:03] | dustybin: | linux software raid is meant to be good |
| [17:54:11] | directhex: | dustybin, enterprise grade! |
| [17:54:20] | iamlindoro_: | linux softare raid *is* good |
| [17:54:37] | iamlindoro_: | but if your raid horks *and* the filesystem goes insane-o, then you have... issues |
| [17:54:43] | dustybin: | its those dodgy proprietry firmwares you have to be careful of |
| [17:55:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, I'm not pointing the finger at all... Not sure how both issues happened at once though... (DOH!) |
| [17:55:23] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: well, at least you backed up everything |
| [17:55:28] | gbee: | I rarely see the appeal of doing something in software when it can be done in hardware – that said, I've never setup raid either |
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| [17:56:00] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: one probably lead to the other |
| [17:56:41] | gbee: | but since I don't know wth I'm talking about I'll shut up now |
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| [17:56:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: hehe... yeah, I just happen to have a 2.4TB tape drive here... (not!)... Oh well, it's only the recordings. The OS and everything else is on a mirrored 200GB disk... |
| [17:57:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | My son's pissed because all the CSI episodes are gone... but oh well. ;-) |
| [17:57:30] | dustybin: | oh well, not too bad then |
| [17:57:38] | dustybin: | heh |
| [17:58:01] | dustybin: | i only use 400gig for mythtv recordings, and that hardly ever gets full |
| [17:58:09] | dustybin: | SD FTW |
| [17:58:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: I still have the database, so I can do querys to see what I lost... |
| [17:58:17] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:58:20] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: in ro mode can't you recove some/most of the files? |
| [17:58:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mixed SD and HD OTA here... |
| [17:58:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: unfortunately, the 'recordings' directory is one of the directories that's not there... DOH! |
| [17:58:51] | iamlindoro_: | yay |
| [17:58:56] | iamlindoro_: | try that jfsrec tool |
| [17:59:01] | dustybin: | i backup, mythvideo, mythgame, mythgallery, mythmusic paritions but dont bother backing up mythtv recordings |
| [17:59:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: i shall... |
| [17:59:41] | iamlindoro_: | It's also probably worth mentioning that raid5'ing the recordings store is possibly unwise |
| [18:00:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Why, speed? |
| [18:00:17] | dustybin: | either RAID and BACKUP, or dont bother with RAID at all IMO |
| [18:00:19] | iamlindoro_: | No, disk wear |
| [18:00:41] | iamlindoro_: | Use Storage groups and only one drive is subjected to wear with a single recording |
| [18:00:49] | iamlindoro_: | use RAID with recordings, and... |
| [18:01:01] | Dagmar: | disk wear? |
| [18:01:04] | Dagmar: | puhlease |
| [18:01:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... and if I lost a single drive, only lose recordings on that drive... (or even if I lost more than one drive...) |
| [18:01:18] | RyeBrye: | SSD drives, maybe |
| [18:01:19] | Dagmar: | Did you not read the report the NetApp people drew up? |
| [18:01:39] | Dagmar: | You know, the one with over 1.2 *million* drives involved? |
| [18:01:42] | dustybin: | those who RAID without backing up are at more risk of losing data than if they didnt RAID at all |
| [18:01:57] | gbee: | Dagmar: NetApp? Saw the google one |
| [18:02:08] | Dagmar: | dustybin: You are rapidly approaching the state where you will categorized with clever if you don't watch it |
| [18:02:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: So... I'll try to recover stuff first, if I can't get anything, then I'll drop the raid and just make them all individual disks... |
| [18:02:33] | dustybin: | :-( |
| [18:02:45] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Hope you manage to get something out of it |
| [18:02:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: and since I'll be starting 'from scratch', myth will spread stuff across all of them... ;-) |
| [18:02:50] | RyeBrye: | dustybin, depends on the RAID – RAID6 would be fine |
| [18:02:55] | GlemSom: | I'm having a really hard time finding a motherboard which has SPDIF out AND have onboard seriel port... I've red that USB -> Seriel adapters will not work with lirc... So I need a "real" seriel port... But – will a PCI card with two seriel ports work with lirc then? |
| [18:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Ah, if not, oh well, we gave it our best shot, right? I appreciate your efforts alot! |
| [18:03:25] | iamlindoro_: | Whoever said USB->Serial wouldn't work is dumb/using an unsupported one |
| [18:03:26] | RyeBrye: | of if you say that someone who does a RAID1 without backup is more "at risk" to lose data than someone who didn't RAID at all, I'm going to reach over there and slap you |
| [18:03:32] | Dagmar: | GlemSom: It should work fine |
| [18:03:43] | iamlindoro_: | LIRC + USB/Serial adapters work quite nicely |
| [18:03:47] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Those would be the LIRC people saying that |
| [18:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | Then they are dumb/wrong |
| [18:04:06] | dustybin: | RyeBrye: ok it depends on the RAID |
| [18:04:08] | Dagmar: | Not *all* work okay, which is what they were saying. Not that _none_ will work |
| [18:04:17] | Dagmar: | No they're actually correct |
| [18:04:27] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: I didn't say all would work |
| [18:04:38] | gbee: | and if all else fails, there are usb IR receivers/transmitters |
| [18:04:40] | iamlindoro_: | In fact, I quite explicitly *said* that |
| [18:04:48] | iamlindoro_: | "iamlindoro_: Whoever said USB->Serial wouldn't work is dumb/using an unsupported one" |
| [18:04:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | GlemSom: Yes, a pci serial card will work fine — or if you need a remote too, get a M$ MCE USB remote, with USB receiver and blasters... |
| [18:04:56] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: And yet the illiterate user managed to interpret it to mean that none will work |
| [18:05:02] | iamlindoro_: | True that |
| [18:05:13] | iamlindoro_: | Yay literacy! |
| [18:05:18] | GlemSom: | J-e-f-f-A, Those come with blasters aswell? |
| [18:05:44] | dustybin: | the MS USB IR receiver kicks ass, its a nice little black box what can be positioned nicely |
| [18:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | PCI slots are hard enough to come by these days without wasting one on a serial card |
| [18:06:00] | gbee: | GlemSom: MCE usb remote is actually very nice, shouldn't cost much USB receiver/transmitter (blaster) in one unit and a great remote which is perfect for MythTV |
| [18:06:01] | iamlindoro_: | USB->Serial will work quite nicely, just get one that works properly in linux |
| [18:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | GlemSom: Most of them- the usb receiver has ports on the back, and it usually comes with two ir emitters to stick on your device. |
| [18:06:23] | dustybin: | gbee: indeed it is, thats what im using with this me frontend |
| [18:06:37] | gbee: | therefore allowing you to 'blast' two different STBs should you need |
| [18:06:46] | dustybin: | gbee: the only downside, 1 of the buttons on the remote has the windows logo |
| [18:06:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Do they work for transmitting, or just receiving? (usb serial adapters with lirc) |
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| [18:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: You can build both |
| [18:07:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Not mine... ;-) I opened up the remote and made it a "MythTV" button... ;-) |
| [18:07:16] | dustybin: | hahahaa seriously |
| [18:07:19] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: "they" being what? |
| [18:07:39] | ** dustybin gets screw driver out ** | |
| [18:08:01] | iamlindoro_: | No need for a screwdriver IIRC |
| [18:08:07] | iamlindoro_: | Just a spudger |
| [18:08:12] | iamlindoro_: | which is a fun word to say BTW |
| [18:08:29] | Dagmar: | gbee: Weird. When I first saw it it was being presented as if NetApp's people published it. Definitely Google's people tho, you're right about that |
| [18:08:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: does this just pull apart? |
| [18:08:48] | RyeBrye: | Is that the report where Google basically concluded that SMART wasn't a reliable predictor of drive failure? |
| [18:08:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: The USB Serial adapter. – Mine uses a software carrier on a real serial port – are some of the usb serial adapters able to do that as well? (cool if they are, I didn't know that) |
| [18:08:53] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: You need to press in the tabs |
| [18:08:56] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: no. |
| [18:09:00] | gbee: | Dagmar: wasn't sure if there had been another report which I'd missed |
| [18:09:29] | Dagmar: | Yeah there's damn few people with that many disks |
| [18:09:30] | RyeBrye: | Oh. That's an interesting one too – let me see if I can find it. Basically they tried to find a reliable indicator of drive failure, and found that in most cases of drive failure SMART didnt' report anything prior to it happening |
| [18:09:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: It's got tabs all around it. It's somewhat easy to open up with the right tool, you'll mar it all up with a screwdriver. |
| [18:09:36] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Which are arranged around the outside seam IIRC |
| [18:09:49] | RyeBrye: | http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.html |
| [18:10:02] | RyeBrye: | "Surprisingly, we found that temperature and activity levels were much less correlated with drive failures than previously reported" |
| [18:10:06] | RyeBrye: | is just one piece of it |
| [18:10:27] | Dagmar: | cept heat will still make drive electronics crash when they're operating way out of spec |
| [18:10:42] | RyeBrye: | The whole report is kind of an interesting read |
| [18:10:57] | Dagmar: | It at least blows the theory of "disk wear" out of the water |
| [18:10:59] | RyeBrye: | It's obvious that Google has an infathomable number of disk drives |
| [18:12:19] | RyeBrye: | IIRC – the goal of the study was to come up with some kind of 'prevenatitive maintenance' schedule where a guy could just go in and know which drives to replace before they failed – rather than have to work with the alternatives (eg hot spares, running in there real fast... etc) |
| [18:12:26] | gbee: | and because they use desktop grade and not server grade disks it's actually somewhat relevant to the public |
| [18:12:58] | Dagmar: | Actually they were using some of both |
| [18:13:09] | Dagmar: | ...which makes the report VERY valuable |
| [18:13:50] | gbee: | must be mis-remembring then, I know the google generally use desktop grade in their arrays/servers for cost reasons |
| [18:14:46] | Dagmar: | They commented on the MTBF differences |
| [18:15:28] | gbee: | ahh, that's right they did, remember that bit now |
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| [18:19:03] | iamlindoro_: | Based on a limited study within my house, I've learned that the MTBF on a Seagate 1 TB drive is about four minutes |
| [18:19:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: HA! |
| [18:19:29] | laga: | heh |
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| [18:21:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I think it's time to throw in the towel on the raid idea... :-( Can't even read the files in read-only mode... Oh well, 6-disk 3TB storage group here I come... |
| [18:21:22] | iamlindoro_: | In all seriousness, They make the most unnerving clicking sounds |
| [18:21:31] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: :( I'm sorry |
| [18:21:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Hey, don't be... You gave it your best... THANK YOU a zillion times for your effort! |
| [18:23:10] | dustybin: | what is a fall back de-interlacer for? |
| [18:23:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... directhex doesn't like 'jfs'... Should I use 'xfs' now for each drive? |
| [18:23:29] | Dagmar: | For when the primary one isn't available |
| [18:23:41] | directhex: | i would. for video storage, anyway |
| [18:23:43] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: Either one will do |
| [18:23:45] | dustybin: | Dagmar: why shouldnt the primary one be available? |
| [18:23:51] | iamlindoro_: | I like XFS, yeah |
| [18:24:01] | Dagmar: | dustybin: User irresponsibility |
| [18:24:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | cool.... done deal... on to formatting drives.... |
| [18:24:16] | dustybin: | ? |
| [18:24:29] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: did you get the ST31000340NS or the ST31000340AS? |
| [18:24:45] | dustybin: | Dagmar: you mean if something outside mythtv is using a de-interlacer? |
| [18:24:46] | gbee: | xfs tends to win the vote round here, see very few complaints (practically none) |
| [18:24:46] | abqjp: | I have had some bad luck with Seagate AS drives, but the NS flavor has been flawless. |
| [18:24:46] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I have a smattering of both |
| [18:25:26] | jvs: | cheers! |
| [18:25:36] | gbee: | what do people think about Samsung? last few drives I've got were from them because I'd had good experience |
| [18:25:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, jvs is buying us all a round? ;-) |
| [18:25:55] | directhex: | gbee, great hard disks |
| [18:26:05] | directhex: | quiet, low heat. important in a server |
| [18:26:36] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I have about five of the ES.2s, those seem mostly okay, too |
| [18:26:38] | gbee: | directhex: quiet has definately been a major reason I keep going back to them |
| [18:27:33] | laga: | my WD green power 500GB is pretty quiet. it tends to have too many offload cycles, though |
| [18:28:00] | abqjp: | All of my NS drives come from the ES.2 family. |
| [18:28:04] | gbee: | I've never really bothered to keep track of the various stats regarding drives and which are best at the moment I purchase (don't have the time) |
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| [18:34:33] | Dagmar: | AVOID Maxtor is the main thing |
| [18:34:54] | jarle: | J-e-f-f-A: what actually happend to your raid5 setup? |
| [18:37:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | jarle: I had one physical drive failure (during a re-boot, it was working fine until then), and a 2nd drive with a corrupted superblock... |
| [18:37:42] | gbee: | my portable usb drive is Maxtor – not by choice, I needed a large amount of additional storage fast for work and having ordered a another drive they didn't have it in stock when I went to collect :( |
| [18:38:21] | gbee: | hence I had no choice but to take what they did have at a similar price, which was the maxtor |
| [18:38:44] | jarle: | J-e-f-f-A: spinrite would probabaly be able to fix your problem, but if you have now formatted your drive its to late.... |
| [18:39:24] | gbee: | ahh, good old Steve |
| [18:39:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | jarle: Well, yeah, about 10 minutes too late, just wiped the drives... |
| [18:39:58] | dustybin: | anybody got a link what shows what resolutions UK freeview channels use? |
| [18:40:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | jarle: not the end of the world, just 500+ recordings... Oh well... |
| [18:40:22] | ** jarle is an active listner to Steve Gibson's "Security Now" podcast... ** | |
| [18:40:25] | dustybin: | 720 x 576 works perfectly with BBC channels, however, with ITV, it doesnt work |
| [18:42:17] | dustybin: | i think i need a few modelines with broadcasts what arent 720x576 |
| [18:42:20] | dustybin: | *for |
| [18:43:15] | dustybin: | a CRT doesnt really have a native resolution, so that means i should try and match the resolution to the channels resolution |
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| [18:43:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | jarle: Besides, for an $89 gamble, I'll just start over... |
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| [18:45:16] | dustybin: | wow |
| [18:45:19] | dustybin: | check this out |
| [18:45:20] | dustybin: | http://dtt.me.uk/ |
| [18:45:38] | dustybin: | BBC ONE |
| [18:45:39] | dustybin: | BBC tv 4161 600 720*576 |
| [18:45:51] | dustybin: | that works perfectly, because its matching my native resolution |
| [18:46:02] | dustybin: | ITV is 704*576 |
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| [18:48:19] | dustybin: | ModeLine "704x576@25i" 13.5 704 723 786 864 576 581 586 625 interlace -hsync -vsync |
| [18:48:23] | dustybin: | :-) |
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| [18:48:52] | hume: | hi....I am trying to configure a new nvidia-card for my htpc – but the res is all wrong – it shows at 720p, not 1080p – how can I adjust that? |
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| [18:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | Is your display device 1080p? |
| [18:51:08] | iamlindoro_: | ie, is your TV's native res 1080p? |
| [18:51:16] | hume: | iamlindoro, yes, and the graphics card I used before used 1080p |
| [18:51:26] | hume: | welll... native? how do I know that? |
| [18:51:28] | iamlindoro_: | What's the TV model? |
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| [18:52:02] | hume: | Panasonic TH-42PV80P |
| [18:52:14] | hume: | connected via dvi-hdmi cable |
| [18:52:24] | EnderTheThird: | crap. still no luck with that Hauppauge 1600 when connected directly to the wall coax |
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| [18:52:55] | iamlindoro_: | Your TV has a native res of 1024x768 |
| [18:53:08] | iamlindoro_: | ergo, not-even-720p |
| [18:54:16] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: what's the cheapest ATSC/NTSC you'd recommend? |
| [18:54:18] | iamlindoro_: | So you might have managed to get it to take a 1080p input before, but it was, is, and always will be scaled to 1024x768 |
| [18:54:25] | EnderTheThird: | *tuner card, that is |
| [18:54:38] | hume: | whell... native? when connecting through vga Í use 1366x768.... |
| [18:54:58] | iamlindoro_: | hume: http://www.eurolink.ee/en/panasonic-th-42pv80p |
| [18:55:16] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said... you can input whatever resolution you can get it not to choke on... but the TV will just mash it down |
| [18:55:35] | iamlindoro_: | Your nVidia card is outputting at that resolution because it's the max resolution your actual display can produce. |
| [18:56:24] | iamlindoro_: | EnderTheThird: Hmm... I dunno, if you already have a HVR-1600, the KWorld 115 is good and relatively inexpensive |
| [18:56:26] | hume: | what does "compatible mode" mean then? I find these different values quite confusing, actually |
| [18:56:51] | iamlindoro_: | hume: Third time telling you this-- it means it is taking that resolution in and smashing it down to the native resolution |
| [18:57:15] | laga: | say it again, sam |
| [18:57:30] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro_: think i'm going to have to return the HVR-1600. can't get it to work |
| [18:57:38] | hume: | sorry, as I said, more than a little confusing, and I did not get that.... |
| [18:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | EnderTheThird: That's odd... might try another one of the same first, as it's a good (myth compatible) card |
| [18:59:00] | hume: | anyway: the display is not correctly displayed, it seems the nvidia card think it should be 1280x720 – and, and this is the major problem, the image shown is much larger than the screen, so most image dies not fit – not an overscan issue, but wrong format |
| [18:59:01] | EnderTheThird: | very, heh |
| [18:59:34] | dustybin: | wow that worked bloody perfectly, no more jitter on ITV :-) |
| [18:59:52] | hume: | most if image is not shown – that is, I see just a portion of it – is there any setting I could adjust for this? |
| [19:00:20] | iamlindoro_: | I would just run nvidia-xconfig, myself |
| [19:00:28] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like you're still using your old xorg.conf |
| [19:00:32] | dustybin: | shame there is no such thing as a 544 x 576 modeline for the rest of the channels |
| [19:00:35] | iamlindoro_: | which is likely incompatible with this card |
| [19:01:15] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro_: here's what I get when i try to tune a channel: http://www.eng.utoledo.edu/~pmagnone/pictures/Screenshot.png |
| [19:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | EnderTheThird: I'm no expert but that seems an obscenely high bit error |
| [19:01:45] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro_: which makes it look like the card isn't getting a strong enough signal, but that's directly from my wall. |
| [19:01:51] | EnderTheThird: | so that's the BE eh? |
| [19:01:52] | iamlindoro_: | Have you replaced the cabling? |
| [19:02:30] | EnderTheThird: | I tried connecting directly from my main cable (it's an apt, i have no control beyond that connection) |
| [19:02:46] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, might be worth it to exchange the 1600 as a start, just to eliminate a bad tuner |
| [19:02:59] | iamlindoro_: | I would replace the main cable and go straight, just so you've eliminated cables |
| [19:04:08] | EnderTheThird: | I'm debating if I should just say screw it and get a different model from Newegg though. I don't want to have to keep exchanging stuff if I don't have to. |
| [19:05:39] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the 1600 is the only ATSC/QAM + hardware encoder that I know of that works properly with myth |
| [19:06:00] | iamlindoro_: | So any other card you get would either be a framegrabber for analog, or would be incompatible with myth |
| [19:06:07] | EnderTheThird: | Heh, figures. |
| [19:06:50] | EnderTheThird: | I'll exchange it and see if it works then. if not, then i'll just record those extra shows in SD |
| [19:10:32] | hume: | iamlindoro, I hve run nvidia-xconfig now, and still image is much too big – only when I set it to 1920x1080 manually, through nividia-settings, does the screen fit – how can this be? |
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| [19:13:05] | iamlindoro_: | hume: Sounds like a question for your distro's channel |
| [19:13:10] | hume: | ok |
| [19:16:49] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, not having a printer really makes returns a pain in the butt |
| [19:17:49] | hume: | when I watch live TV with this nvidia card, the image suddenly jumps to elongated vertically.....any ideas on this? |
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| [19:20:42] | Luminari: | I just installed mythbuntu and I'm trying to set up my shared folders so I can access directories from my windows box. From the windows box I can see the mythtv box, but the shared folders don't show up. Any ideas? |
| [19:23:05] | EnderTheThird: | I'm pretty sure all samba shares (for Windows access) are controlled in /etc/samba/smb.conf You have to edit that text file to check your stuff |
| [19:23:40] | EnderTheThird: | Though I had thought Mythbuntu automagically shares all media folders that are used in Myth |
| [19:24:16] | iamlindoro_: | It does, so long as you leave them the defaults |
| [19:24:23] | iamlindoro_: | ie /var/lib/mythtv/* |
| [19:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | If you change the locations, though, you need to edit the paths in smb.conf |
| [19:24:57] | dustybin: | if a backends CPU is being used near 100%, can it effect the performance of whats playing on the frontend? |
| [19:25:18] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: yes. |
| [19:25:32] | iamlindoro_: | As it might not be able to keep up with the streaming |
| [19:25:33] | Luminari: | I didn't change the locations, but they aren't visible from my windows box |
| [19:25:37] | dustybin: | thats ok then, im encoding a x64 file and my frontend seems to be missing frames |
| [19:25:57] | Luminari: | do you know if mythbuntu comes with a text editor, and what its called? |
| [19:26:05] | dustybin: | Luminari: nano |
| [19:26:06] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: x264 is an encoder, h.264 is a codec. You're encoding an h.264 file. |
| [19:26:14] | dustybin: | yep |
| [19:26:18] | Luminari: | thanks, I'l check the smb file |
| [19:26:30] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: So next time you'll say it right, then, yes? |
| [19:26:37] | dustybin: | :P yes |
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| [19:26:58] | dustybin: | i can see why one would need slave backends, if one does a lot of transcoding |
| [19:27:09] | dustybin: | because it can effect perfomance |
| [19:27:09] | hume: | when I change the resoulution on my screen, the shown image is just bigger – it seems not to adjust to the size of the TV – any ideas on how to make this work? |
| [19:27:15] | EnderTheThird: | Call me crazy, but I really do prefer printers in Linux. A friend called me about setting up an HP printer in Windows. HP had her download a 350 MB "driver" |
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| [19:27:51] | dustybin: | hume: use the screen wizard in general settings |
| [19:28:01] | dustybin: | (dont blame me if it seg faults :P) |
| [19:28:15] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Tht will not work for him |
| [19:28:22] | hume: | screen wizard? in myth, you mean? i am fiddling with x |
| [19:28:27] | iamlindoro_: | As he is dealing with video driver/xorg.conf issues |
| [19:29:04] | dustybin: | well i set the correct res but it was still too big for my TV, so i had to use the screen wizard |
| [19:29:20] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: That is *not* his issue |
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| [19:29:40] | iamlindoro_: | Remember us talking about ill informed advice causing harm/wasting time? |
| [19:29:45] | iamlindoro_: | This is it. |
| [19:29:56] | ** dustybin hides ** | |
| [19:30:50] | hume: | np for me, but I just find it very confusing that the size of shown screen does not adjust when res is changed... never seen that in my short experience |
| [19:30:54] | iamlindoro_: | hume: move /etx/X11/xorg.xonf out of the way, or rename it. |
| [19:31:12] | iamlindoro_: | Then, as root or with sudo, run nvidia-xconfig, and then restart X or reboot |
| [19:31:17] | hume: | iamlindoro, i have, i am working on a brand new, adjusted by nvidia-xconfig |
| [19:31:27] | iamlindoro_: | again, this is a question for your *distro's channel* |
| [19:31:45] | hume: | ok... |
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| [19:32:10] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you are ignoring edid to me (or are using VGA inputs, which will let you set all sorts of weird resolutions) |
| [19:32:30] | iamlindoro_: | If you are using DVI then nvidia-xconfig should be all you need |
| [19:32:36] | iamlindoro_: | if it's VGA, you might need more work |
| [19:32:39] | hume: | i am trying to adjust res thorugh nvidia-settings....? |
| [19:32:43] | hume: | using dvi |
| [19:33:00] | iamlindoro_: | OK, check with your distro then, something is broken, and it's not myth |
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| [19:33:14] | hume: | ok |
| [19:33:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heck, in recent enough xorg you can run *without* an xorg.xonf and things should still pretty much work properly |
| [19:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | er xorg.conf |
| [19:34:51] | Luminari: | thanks, looks like the mythbuntu samba had the folders shared but unavailable by default, for whatever reason |
| [19:35:37] | iamlindoro_: | Luminari: That gets set when certain processes are interrupted by the user |
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| [19:35:55] | marekt: | hi |
| [19:35:58] | marekt: | can you helpme |
| [19:36:07] | marekt: | i have a dialog saying "wrong ip conf" |
| [19:36:14] | Luminari: | iamlindoro_: okay, not sure what I did, but I'm new to this so I'm sure it was something :) |
| [19:36:41] | marekt: | fresh install |
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| [19:41:47] | wagnerrp: | marekt: where are you getting that error, thats not one i recognize from anywhere |
| [19:42:02] | marekt: | i can see it from console |
| [19:42:16] | wagnerrp: | from what program? |
| [19:42:18] | marekt: | You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address. |
| [19:42:28] | marekt: | i run mythtvfrontend |
| [19:43:00] | wagnerrp: | so its not picking up your backend |
| [19:43:10] | wagnerrp: | is this a combined unit? |
| [19:43:14] | wagnerrp: | is the backend running? |
| [19:45:08] | Luminari: | I tried playing an avi file through mythtv in the videos section, and when it starts to play, the screen flashes a bit and I end up at the ubuntu login screen. Any ideas? |
| [19:45:33] | iamlindoro_: | That strongly implies video driver issues crashing X |
| [19:45:44] | marekt: | wagnerrp backend i think is runnin |
| [19:45:46] | wagnerrp: | your drivers are messed up, and video playback terminates the X server, resulting in you getting dropped back into GDM |
| [19:45:47] | marekt: | g |
| [19:45:59] | wagnerrp: | marekt: ps ax | grep mythbackend |
| [19:45:59] | Luminari: | how should I proceed? |
| [19:46:29] | iamlindoro_: | See if there are upgraded drivers for your video card, preferably closed source ones, and install them as appropriate |
| [19:46:33] | iamlindoro_: | er updated |
| [19:46:56] | iamlindoro_: | If you're one of the "I'll only have open source drivers on my system" folks, now would be a good time to get over that |
| [19:47:03] | Luminari: | iamlindoro_: okay |
| [19:47:09] | Luminari: | I'm not :) |
| [19:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | Luminari: What brand video card? |
| [19:47:33] | iamlindoro_: | and distro? |
| [19:47:35] | wagnerrp: | if nvidia, just get the nvidia drivers and be done with it |
| [19:47:42] | wagnerrp: | if ati, get the fglrx drivers and pray |
| [19:48:15] | Luminari: | ubuntu and I have to go look because I forget :) going to look now |
| [19:48:39] | wagnerrp: | love when people dont know whats inside their computer |
| [19:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | On Ubuntu, if you're not comfortable with the command line install of drivers, you can look at envy-ng |
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| [19:48:54] | iamlindoro_: | That makes short work of setting up up to date prop. drivers |
| [19:49:14] | Luminari: | ati drivers |
| [19:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | Oof, good luck |
| [19:49:41] | Luminari: | iamlindoro_: envy-ng? |
| [19:49:49] | iamlindoro_: | Luminari: Is that a question? |
| [19:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | And if so, what is the question? |
| [19:50:00] | Luminari: | yes, what is it? |
| [19:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | Is DNS broken on your system? |
| [19:50:24] | Luminari: | not that I know of |
| [19:50:37] | iamlindoro_: | so you can resolve google.com then? |
| [19:50:52] | iamlindoro_: | 64.233.167.99 |
| [19:50:55] | Luminari: | iamlindoro_: okay okay, I get it |
| [19:51:21] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [19:51:35] | wagnerrp: | we need googlebot in here |
| [19:51:47] | wagnerrp: | just do '!google some_text', and it gives a search link |
| [19:52:28] | iamlindoro_: | http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html, specifically |
| [19:52:50] | marekt: | wagnerrp http://pastebin.ca/1211768 |
| [19:52:50] | iamlindoro_: | don't be scared by the nvidia in the link, it does ATI also |
| [19:53:10] | Luminari: | iamlindoro_: thanks, I'll take a look |
| [19:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [19:54:13] | wagnerrp: | you have two copies of mythbackend running? i didnt think that was actually possible (without some conscious effort to run under different users, with different sql servers and different ports) |
| [19:54:31] | marekt: | well i migth run it twice |
| [19:54:42] | iamlindoro_: | It'll run, just every one after the first one will hang |
| [19:54:54] | iamlindoro_: | Appears he has one started by script and one by hand |
| [19:55:08] | wagnerrp: | ah, i presumed it would fail to access the necessary ports, and exit |
| [19:55:19] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro_: you want a reasan to drink ? :-) |
| [19:55:57] | iamlindoro_: | Gimpy: I'm over you, Now I just watch you torture others with your typing |
| [19:55:57] | wagnerrp: | i think he wants to get you drunk, so he can have his way with you... |
| [19:56:25] | iamlindoro_: | The easiest way to deal with gimpy is to never attempt to help him, as that is a neverending path towards tears |
| [19:56:35] | Gimpy is now known as throws | |
| [19:56:49] | throws is now known as Gimpy | |
| [19:56:58] | ** Gimpy thows beer at wagnerrp ** | |
| [19:57:03] | iamlindoro_: | littered with poorly constructed sentences and improperly transcribed commands |
| [19:57:08] | wagnerrp: | gah! how is there no terminal library on this server! |
| [19:57:54] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro_: no i got all but 6 buttons working so far out of 35 on my remote |
| [19:57:59] | wagnerrp: | marekt: open up mythtv-settings, first item. make sure the backend IP is set to either 127.0.0.1, or the address of the computer running the backend |
| [19:58:07] | ** iamlindoro_ very sincerely does not care ** | |
| [19:58:21] | wagnerrp: | restart the backend, start up the frontend |
| [19:58:32] | wagnerrp: | use the init scripts next time you try to start the backend |
| [19:58:51] | wagnerrp: | and kill off the zombie (the one without all sorts of text behind it) |
| [19:59:44] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: that is my next step i just want to finish my emerge before doing anything else |
| [20:00:07] | iamlindoro_: | Gimpy: He is not even speaking to you... |
| [20:00:11] | marekt: | wagnerrp, local backend now is 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:00:18] | marekt: | port 6543 |
| [20:00:26] | marekt: | status port 6544 |
| [20:00:32] | marekt: | security pin – nothing |
| [20:00:41] | marekt: | master backend – nothing |
| [20:00:53] | wagnerrp: | master backend should be the same as local backend |
| [20:00:59] | iamlindoro_: | security pin should be 0000 and you need to put the master backend info in |
| [20:01:13] | wagnerrp: | security pin is not needed if youve already set up your frontend |
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| [20:01:24] | wagnerrp: | but you might as well give it something |
| [20:01:35] | wagnerrp: | all its for is autoconfiguration of frontends |
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| [20:02:02] | iamlindoro_: | 0000 makes it unnecessary |
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| [20:02:08] | marekt: | ok done this screeen |
| [20:02:16] | iamlindoro_: | which is to say, will make a pin unnecessary if you use autoconf |
| [20:02:17] | marekt: | anything to change on next one? |
| [20:02:38] | marekt: | tv format – PAL |
| [20:02:42] | marekt: | VBI format – none |
| [20:02:51] | marekt: | channel-freq... – europe-east |
| [20:02:55] | wagnerrp: | dont worry about the rest |
| [20:02:58] | marekt: | your local timezone +100 |
| [20:03:07] | wagnerrp: | youve fixed your (current) problem |
| [20:03:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... one of my drives (the one that had the bad superblock) won't let me create a partition with > 1 sector... strange... |
| [20:03:16] | marekt: | ok what now? |
| [20:03:23] | marekt: | how can i check if it works? |
| [20:03:28] | marekt: | can i quit setup? |
| [20:03:34] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [20:03:53] | marekt: | ok now it fills database or somethinf |
| [20:04:08] | wagnerrp: | now its suggesting that you do so |
| [20:04:10] | wagnerrp: | ignore that |
| [20:04:17] | marekt: | now mythfrontend? |
| [20:04:25] | wagnerrp: | kill the frontend, kill the backend |
| [20:04:37] | wagnerrp: | start up the backend using your distro's init scripts |
| [20:05:00] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: If that's the case, sounds like the reason for why our fix didn't work |
| [20:05:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: yeah, no $hit, eh? |
| [20:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | I knew there had to be something more |
| [20:05:55] | marekt: | wagnerrp what init script? |
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| [20:06:12] | marekt: | etc/init.d ...? |
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| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea, i doubt im using the same distro as you |
| [20:06:44] | marekt: | kubuntu |
| [20:06:56] | marekt: | ok i started backend |
| [20:07:12] | marekt: | You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address. |
| [20:08:12] | wagnerrp: | try fixing that setting in mythtv-setup, but this time, do it with the backend not running |
| [20:10:45] | marekt: | wagnerrp the same |
| [20:11:14] | wagnerrp: | when you opened mythtv-setup, was the setting still set? or was the field blank? |
| [20:11:24] | marekt: | still set |
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| [20:42:12] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-a: You're *sure* it has a bad superblock? What informed you of this? |
| [20:42:17] | Dagmar: | Dmanit |
| [20:42:28] | Dagmar: | I bet his disk is fine |
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| [20:48:55] | EnderTheThird: | if i update the xmltvid for my channels (Schedules Direct switched a few of them), what do I need to do to clear my listings info so it will get that channel info when i do mythfilldatabase? |
| [20:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
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| [20:55:53] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple sources, you can have it only refresh the source you changed |
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| [21:03:48] | dustybin: | for some strange reason one of my channels is missing |
| [21:03:54] | dustybin: | mythweb lists |
| [21:04:02] | dustybin: | 10,11,13,14,15 etc |
| [21:04:11] | dustybin: | 12 is missing, what is channel five |
| [21:04:26] | dustybin: | is there a way for me to put back that channel? |
| [21:04:29] | Dagmar: | So go make sure you have that channel listed in SchedulesDirect |
| [21:04:44] | dustybin: | Dagmar: ill check mythtv-setup first |
| [21:04:51] | Dagmar: | FFS. |
| [21:05:07] | Dagmar: | It populates the list from SD's information if that's what you're using for listing info. |
| [21:05:39] | Dagmar: | If no channel is listed for that nunber at SD when it pulls down the initial list, you'll have no channel for that number, dig? |
| [21:05:42] | dustybin: | Dagmar: i got my channels from doing a basic channel scan with my DVB-T card |
| [21:05:53] | Dagmar: | Ah then your problem is that channel scanning is shit. |
| [21:06:33] | Dagmar: | Well, "intensely annoying shit" |
| [21:07:08] | dustybin: | if my channel is listed, could i use mythweb to put it back? |
| [21:07:56] | Dagmar: | If your channel is listed you don't have a problem. |
| [21:08:02] | iamlindoro_: | He's in the UK |
| [21:08:28] | directhex: | dustybin, bad reception? i don't get channel 5 |
| [21:08:56] | dustybin: | well, ive had it here before |
| [21:09:01] | dustybin: | the reception isnt too bad |
| [21:09:33] | dustybin: | right this is confusing |
| [21:09:39] | dustybin: | mythweb channel info shows five |
| [21:09:41] | dustybin: | brb |
| [21:11:46] | dustybin: | its ok, i got it back by re numbering and saving, there were lots of double numbering in the channel info :-) |
| [21:13:45] | dustybin: | russell brand on channel 4 :-) |
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| [21:16:17] | leprechau: | new vid card...brb... |
| [21:16:32] | directhex: | i need one of those. seem to have burnt out my BE's card |
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| [21:16:48] | iamlindoro_: | That guy always mentions when he's coming and going |
| [21:16:57] | iamlindoro_: | I just don't care. |
| [21:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | in every channel he's in, no less |
| [21:17:54] | directhex: | https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+so . . . estion/44628 – some people should be banned from breeding |
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| [21:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | jeez |
| [21:21:38] | dustybin: | Encoding: task 2 of 2, 71.47 % (5.12 fps, avg 6.01 fps, ETA 02h48m24s) |
| [21:21:42] | ** dustybin yawns ** | |
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| [21:22:19] | iamlindoro_: | Just imagine how quick that would go if your system wasn't hamster-driven |
| [21:22:36] | dustybin: | Hostname: private – OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.199 MHz) – Processes: 168 – Uptime: 3d 20m – Load Average: 5.81 – Memory Usage: 534.05MB/1011.51MB (52.80%) – Disk Usage: 822.60GB/543.27GB (151.42%) |
| [21:22:40] | dustybin: | its not too bad |
| [21:23:45] | dustybin: | ive found the ultimate hand brake settings |
| [21:23:52] | iamlindoro_: | oh no, more absolutes |
| [21:24:05] | dustybin: | HandBrakeCLI -i dvd.iso -o dvd.mp4 -e x264 -b 1500 -f mp4 -a 1,1 -E faac,ac3 -m -2 -T -x ref=3:mixed-refs:subme=7:me=umh:analyse=all:no-fast-pskip |
| [21:24:16] | dustybin: | of course, the bitrate will vary from film to film |
| [21:25:00] | dustybin: | but those are generally good settings for me, but the encoding is pretty slow on my pentium 3.2 |
| [21:26:29] | ** iamlindoro_ /ignores ** | |
| [21:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | back on the list he goes |
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| [21:26:51] | dustybin: | jeeze :-( |
| [21:26:54] | Eypone2008: | hey |
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| [21:27:45] | Eypone2008: | i need some help whith Mythtv(problem is i can't get eny channel look bout i have signal bout no pictur/sound |
| [21:28:17] | dustybin: | Eypone2008: what country |
| [21:28:23] | Eypone2008: | denmark |
| [21:28:47] | dustybin: | i only have experience with dvb-t |
| [21:28:47] | Eypone2008: | im using DVB-C tuner |
| [21:29:03] | dustybin: | hmmm cable |
| [21:29:15] | Eypone2008: | okay what could be the problmen if it was DVB-t? |
| [21:29:31] | iamlindoro_: | Eypone2008: It's fairly common for DVB-C providers in europe to broadcast broken channel info, which creates the problems you are seeing |
| [21:30:15] | iamlindoro_: | Eypone2008: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640 |
| [21:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | Read the ticket carefully (to the end, not just halfway) and see if it applies to you |
| [21:31:06] | Eypone2008: | okay, okay thanks i do:) |
| [21:31:11] | iamlindoro_: | also see |
| [21:31:11] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_tuni . . . n_with_DVB-C |
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| [21:40:19] | Eypone2008: | it's because my provider use a network code. |
| [21:43:30] | Eypone2008: | have you tride to correct this before? |
| [21:44:20] | iamlindoro_: | I'm aware of the problem, that's why I gave you those links. |
| [21:44:27] | iamlindoro_: | No, we don't use DVB-C in my country |
| [21:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | But I've given you everything you need to fix it. |
| [21:45:13] | Eypone2008: | okay, but thanks for the help. |
| [21:46:17] | iamlindoro_: | you are welcome |
| [21:47:07] | Eypone2008: | what media center ar you running? |
| [21:47:38] | iamlindoro_: | huh? |
| [21:47:47] | iamlindoro_: | You're in the MythTV channel, which do you think I am running? |
| [21:48:32] | Eypone2008: | hehe sorry im slepe. |
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| [22:14:12] | cak: | Hello everybody |
| [22:14:12] | ubun2Junky: | Been planning on upgrading my myth box so it´s HD compatible. I´m assuming I´m going to have to upgrade my pvr150 tuner, what else will I need to upgrade? What are some of you using hardware wise? |
| [22:14:20] | ubun2Junky: | hi cak |
| [22:14:31] | cak: | Hi ubun2Junky |
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| [22:15:30] | cak: | Anduin, hello |
| [22:15:58] | cak: | ubun2Junky, sorry can't help u i'm new to mythtv |
| [22:16:17] | ubun2Junky: | np... what is up with you? |
| [22:16:43] | cak: | I've been fighting to set up my tuner card with no luck |
| [22:16:56] | cak: | now for some reason i cant even get lirc working |
| [22:17:28] | cak: | mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 gives a lot of junk |
| [22:17:31] | ubun2Junky: | hmm... that´s always discouraging... what tuner card do you have? |
| [22:17:46] | cak: | i have few and it's all junk |
| [22:17:52] | cak: | wintv usb |
| [22:18:00] | cak: | pixelview pro |
| [22:18:38] | ubun2Junky: | I have pvr150 and it worked right out of the box! |
| [22:18:51] | ubun2Junky: | never configured any of the other ones that you mentioned. |
| [22:18:53] | cak: | and some unknown brand based on saa7130 |
| [22:19:18] | cak: | i don't know what am i doing wrong but tvtime and xawtv works fine with it |
| [22:19:29] | cak: | anyway i gave up for now |
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| [22:19:42] | cak: | trying to get remote working again |
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| [22:20:00] | cak: | i had this problem but cant remember how did i fixed it |
| [22:23:22] | cak: | anybody alive ? |
| [22:23:54] | ubun2Junky: | I am but unfortunately I know very little about lirc! |
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| [22:24:55] | cak: | ubun2Junky, it's alright i'll go play with it little more |
| [22:25:09] | cak: | hopefully will remember what did i do last time |
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| [22:27:17] | ubun2Junky: | cak, good luck! |
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| [22:27:33] | cak: | thnx ubun2Junky |
| [22:28:45] | Anduin: | cak: "a lot of junk" |
| [22:28:48] | Anduin: | ? |
| [22:29:20] | cak: | Anduin, yes |
| [22:29:42] | cak: | you know like if i'm pressing remote all the time |
| [22:30:01] | cak: | if i close receiver it stops |
| [22:30:10] | cak: | i mean by hands |
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| [22:30:57] | cak: | Anduin, i had this problem before but solved it and now forgot what did i do |
| [22:31:47] | Dagmar: | "a lot of junk" means "numbers I was too lazy to look at the man page so that I would expect them" |
| [22:32:29] | cak: | Dagmar thnx for your scepticizm |
| [22:32:39] | cak: | I had it working before |
| [22:32:40] | Dagmar: | You're welcome. |
| [22:32:53] | cak: | and nubmers running even when nothing is pressed |
| [22:32:59] | Anduin: | It is hard not to develop it, even if you didn't come here with it. |
| [22:33:10] | cak: | in another words it's a noise |
| [22:33:59] | Dagmar: | OKay, so if you would like to describe what kind of IR reciever you're using, that might be considered useful information. |
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| [22:34:05] | cak: | when i close receiver by hand it stops and react on remote buttons normaly |
| [22:34:17] | cak: | homebrew serial |
| [22:34:22] | Dagmar: | ...and how exactly are you "closing" it? |
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| [22:34:35] | cak: | by hands covering it |
| [22:34:52] | Dagmar: | So, when you cover it with your hands, it detects the remote. |
| [22:35:10] | cak: | yes it still reacts on remote |
| [22:35:22] | Dagmar: | Covered by your hands? |
| [22:35:51] | cak: | i'm not covering it completely |
| [22:35:51] | Dagmar: | When you point your remote at say, a frozen chicken, and hold down PLAY, does it thaw out the chicken? |
| [22:36:11] | Dagmar: | Okay, "not completely" is another one of those details. |
| [22:36:19] | Dagmar: | You made a crappy reciever. |
| [22:36:31] | cak: | yes but it worked |
| [22:36:37] | Dagmar: | The LIRC site tells how to put a filter over the IR reciever so that it won't pick up stray noise. |
| [22:36:47] | Dagmar: | "worked" is past tense, meaning "it ain't working now" |
| [22:37:26] | Dagmar: | Either way, the ball's in your court for fixing it. Software can't compensate for something that tunes in noise all the time. |
| [22:37:36] | cak: | Dagmar, yes while i was srewing around with tuner i reinstalled myth few times and forgot what did i do to make it work in a first place |
| [22:37:59] | cak: | it was a software issue |
| [22:38:02] | Dagmar: | To put it very indelicately, it's broken since you last use it. |
| [22:38:06] | Dagmar: | s/use/used/; |
| [22:39:52] | cak: | Dagmar, thanks you're always helpful |
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| [22:49:34] | iamlindoro: | uh oh, someone from downtown sending me certified mail... that can't be good |
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| [22:51:38] | directhex: | it's from wam^Wjp morgan chase! |
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| [22:52:49] | iamlindoro: | more likely form the county |
| [22:52:52] | iamlindoro: | er from |
| [22:53:05] | directhex: | jury duty! |
| [22:53:10] | iamlindoro: | and that can only mean a) being called to testify for something or b) taxes or c) being sued for something |
| [22:53:13] | iamlindoro: | naw, I'm ineligible |
| [22:58:54] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, the zip it's coming from is where all the lawyers have their offices |
| [22:59:02] | iamlindoro: | and no way to pick it up at the post office until tomorrow |
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| [23:16:06] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Pray it's not jury duty. |
| [23:16:23] | Dagmar: | Oh, wait. |
| [23:16:41] | Dagmar: | Pray it's not the Amarella people. |
| [23:17:13] | Dagmar: | Me, I get to worry about Intel now. |
| [23:17:22] | Dagmar: | Someone i know wants to do a Cafe Press shirt with the "Hacker Inside" spoof logo on it. |
| [23:17:26] | iamlindoro: | It's not jury duty, I can't get that :) |
| [23:17:33] | Dagmar: | Cafe Press bounced his request saying it was copyrighted. |
| [23:17:44] | Dagmar: | It's copyrighted to *me*. I have the rights on it. |
| [23:18:02] | Dagmar: | It's absolutely a protected parody of the old Intel logo. |
| [23:18:14] | Dagmar: | I will not be happy if some jackass decides it's time to sue me. |
| [23:18:27] | Dagmar: | It'll mean remembering how to turn on the "Record this phone call" option in my phone. |
| [23:18:44] | ** Dagmar doesn't play fair when lawyers are involved. ** | |
| [23:19:46] | Dagmar: | What I don't like is that I'll have to dig up the original (or close to it) EPS file I've got "somewhere on a CD" and then go get a notary to stamp it, and then send that over to Cafe Press. |
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| [23:40:46] | Dagmar: | Ooo... More potential test video http://dekku.blogspot.com/2008/09/ark.html |
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