Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, September 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

fignuts: mythtv does not have internal volume, it just changes the volume on the sound card

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gbee:

fignuts: so turn it up? :)

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wagnerrp:

meaning your recording is just too quiet

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fignuts:

it's all at 100%

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, fox horked my Terminator broadcast last night, broadcast an entire segment in SD :(

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fignuts:

problem is, turning it up puts my receiver at close to max

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fignuts:

which amplifies noise

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wagnerrp:

what is this a recording from? (what kind of capture card)

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fignuts:

not recording

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fignuts:

playing back a dvd and playing back a ripped dvd

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dustybin:

do you guys keep your frontends on 24.7?

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GreyFoxx:

I do

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, I suspend to ram, usually

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a remote capable of bringing it out of standby/booting, so yes

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mythuseril:

i'm having an issue when i try to play a video stream under mythweb. i click the asx file link, windows media player opens, but then the player just stays at the "connecting" dialogue. any ideas? it seems to be permissions related, but i can't tell for sure

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dustybin:

if one enables the exit > shutdown or reboot in the general settings, nothing happens

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iamlindoro:

mythuseril, I answered you last time you asked.

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mythuseril:

sorry i missed it i'll look

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mythuseril:

port and ip look just fine

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Wicked:

well im still getting noise......what could be causing it?...cables good.....rca hook ups are good......its only when plugged into my pvr-150 i get noise.

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iamlindoro:

mythuseril, Then I advise trying a different player with more verbose logging like VLC

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mythuseril:

ok

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iamlindoro:

you can bring up the messages window and see what it complains about

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dustybin:

<3 ssh'ing into my frontend <3 dedicated boxes doing 1 job

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mythuseril:

cool thanks

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fignuts:

hd glitches, i probably need a better processor

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fignuts:

:/

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iamlindoro:

If you're off your network, odds are the connection is too slow to play back

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fignuts:

oh wait a minute

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fignuts:

you're right

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wagnerrp:

<3 having one large box to rule them all at a quarter the power of 10 dedicated machines

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, If you mean me, I wasn't even talking to you, but I'll take it ;)

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fignuts:

well, i just remembered i was using the wifi connection

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fignuts:

lol

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

two answers for the price of one

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academy:

Yet another question: the mythtv wiki implies that Sky's EPG listings are sent over the 'OpenTV' system. Is there an OpenTV listings grabber for MythTV?

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academy:

struggling to find one

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iamlindoro:

I dunno about that, but there ought to be an XMLtv grabber for it

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like the Radio Times grabber ought to do the job (That's the one most UK folks use)

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academy:

iamlindoro: yeah I'm using it now – gets most of them :)

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mythuseril:

iamlindora: thanks for the vlc tip. vlc likes the file, wmp hates it. maybe it's just a codec thing?

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iamlindoro:

mythuseril, possibly

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dustybin:

ive been invited to this

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dustybin:

http://www.ukuug.org/events/agm2008/

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iamlindoro:

mythuseril, if it's MPEG-2, the file, then most likely (Windows doesn't include MPEG-2 support by default)

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mythuseril:

probably something like that since i'm not transcoding

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, By "invited" I assume you mean "This is a public meeting that nyone can go to anyway."

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iamlindoro:

er anyone

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academy:

iamlindoro: ahh, it's a proprietry EPG format. vdr supports it, but there's no mythtv plugin.

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academy:

no worries.

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dustybin:

heh yes

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iamlindoro:

academy, And likely never will, as getting EIT type stuff from Sky involves using illegal CAMs

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academy:

iamlindoro: yeah.

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iamlindoro:

and projects like VDR don't give a shit about doing irresponsible illegal stuff

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academy:

iamlindoro: once again you're going on the defensive. there's no need to.

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iamlindoro:

VDR/XBMC are the kinds of projects that make perfect points for the people who say "We can't open source! They're all a bunch of thieves!"

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iamlindoro:

academy, You are quite mistaken

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academy:

iamlindoro: ok, I misread the tone.

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iamlindoro:

I'm not defensive in the least, if anything I am irritated when other projects are irresponsible

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academy:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Hardly your fault, that

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fignuts:

what the hell.. my watchtv option is broken now

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dustybin:

wow pressing z in top makes it look pretty

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academy:

Hmm, does anyone know whether ITV HD works?

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academy:

according to lyngsat it's unencrypted

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dustybin:

academy: ITV sends out a non-standard stram

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dustybin:

stream

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academy:

dustybin: how so?

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dustybin:

think its being worked on

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iamlindoro:

IT claims to be MPEG-1 of all things

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iamlindoro:

confuses the shit out of players

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iamlindoro:

and yes, being worked on

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dustybin:

another good reason why im not bothering with HD at the moment

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academy:

interesting

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fignuts:

what burning software is recommended for ubuntu?

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fignuts:

i want simple

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dustybin:

a lot of people are buying these new HD TVs, not because they are HD, but because they are smaller than CRTs

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iamlindoro:

Xfburn, k3b, whatever, all work

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dustybin:

xfburn kicks ass

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dustybin:

the best gui burner ive ever used

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fignuts:

xfburn thanks

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Wicked:

could my buzzing audio issue be from a bad audio jack on the pvr-150? if i use coaxial cable the sound is fine...its only when i use svideo and rca for sound that i get a hiss/buzz...the noise is most noticeable when there is silent parts in the show.

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strex-work:

Is there any way of checking mythbackend status via the command line, or telnet? (not using mythfrontend, or mythweb)

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fryfrog:

sounds like a ground loop

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Wicked:

fryfrog, what exactly is that?

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Wicked:

fryfrog, ...ie how could i check/fix it?

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RyeBrye:

stex-work – you mean to see if it is running? ps ax | grep mythbackend ?

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strex-work:

RyeBrye no, to see status info, like you would in the 'backend status' on mythweb

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RyeBrye:

oh

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iamlindoro:

and if you mean upcoming recordings and the like, look for the mythtv-status script

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iamlindoro:

I think there's even an ubuntu package for it

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strex-work:

iamlindoro thanks, I think that might work.

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iamlindoro:

strex-work, Should, it's more or less the same exact info

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strex-work:

iamlindoro that's fine, that's what I'm looking for. Thanks

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RyeBrye:

hmm

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RyeBrye:

Google seems to have been on some kind of drugs when they input some of their sensor constants: http://code.google.com/android/reference/andr . . . Manager.html

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RyeBrye:

I can understand GRAVITY_EARTH, and maybe some of the other planets – but GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR? or the mode where a sensor can indicate it's a fully functional tricorder?

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** kormoc laughts **

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kormoc:

that's awesome

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RyeBrye:

Yeah. I wonder what GRAVITY_THE_ISLAND is for

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iamlindoro:

LOST

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wagnerrp:

the death star has no gravity?

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, it's a movie reference

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wagnerrp:

one would think with that much mass, there would be some inherent gravity

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_(2005_film)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it has some, 3.5303614E-7

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, I am leaning towards LOST myself

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wagnerrp:

my car probably has 3.53E-7 gravity

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iamlindoro:

I base that solely on the fact that tons of geeks watch LOST and are totally into it, versus the seven people who saw that movie :)

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wagnerrp:

rather my car has about an order of magnitude less gravity than the death star

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, in meters per second pull?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: come on, scarlett johansson was in that, more than 7 geeks had to have seen it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, There's plenty of of hotties on LOST :)

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Solaris444:

Is there a way to exit the cd-ripping screen and let it continue in the background? When I press "back" it asks me if I want to cancel the cd rip as leaving the screen will cause the cd rip to stop.

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iamlindoro:

That movie was *awful*

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wagnerrp:

well ive not seen either

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wagnerrp:

so why would a phone have a magnetometer?

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wagnerrp:

a directional magnetometer even

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, maybe they plan to attach it to a rover :)

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you may be able to use it for navigation from within caves

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wagnerrp:

im sure the accelerometers in there are relatively shitty, at least that would give you a directional reference

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wagnerrp:

possibly an indicator of iron ore deposits, or submarines

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RyeBrye:

I think I'm going to write a MythTV remote for Android

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PugMajere1:

how do i give negative feedback to ebayer who doesn't pay for item]

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wagnerrp:

go all out, duplicate the streaming ability on the iphone

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iamlindoro:

PugMajere1, You don't. eBay removed the ability to leave negative for a buyer

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: seriously? then whats the point of feedback?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, it's the most fucked up stupid thing ever, and yeah, I'm serious.

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iamlindoro:

Sellers can *only* leave positive or neutral.

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PugMajere1:

you can't even do neutral

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you can.

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PugMajere1:

no you can't

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PugMajere1:

Rate this transaction.

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PugMajere1:

Positive Neutral Negative I will leave Feedback later

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wagnerrp:

so you have to use paypal, and cant leave bad feedback...

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iamlindoro:

Look closely at that second word

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PugMajere1:

iamlindoro wow this is weird, when i copy/paste it shows neutral but not on the screen

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iamlindoro:

Oh fuck, you're right

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iamlindoro:

no no, you're right

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wagnerrp:

plus they take down your auctions without notice or review upon request of any one

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iamlindoro:

Neutral disappeared, like *this week*

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iamlindoro:

PugMajere1, So weird.. I literally was considering neutral feedback for someone a few days ago, so that is *really* new

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PugMajere1:

iamlindoro i see

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iamlindoro:

But negative has been gone I think for about 6 months. Totally stupid

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iamlindoro:

They also decided to hold on to about $3000 in payments made to me at Paypal last month for 21 days

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iamlindoro:

As a random security measure

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PugMajere1:

wow only 21 days; you are lucky

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PugMajere1:

it's usually 180 days

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wagnerrp:

youre making too much money... it must be a scam

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iamlindoro:

I was *steamed* to get the "Payment on hold, ship item immediately" e-mail

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iamlindoro:

Like, um, traditionally goods are exchanged for *payment*, assholes

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stoth:

good evening all. Anyone ever see the 'Not a STB' error, along with an oops in the backend logs?

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iamlindoro:

stoth, Hey, sounds like firewire? Nope, never seen that one

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wagnerrp:

thats so the receiver could just claim they never got it, and get a refund

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wagnerrp:

screw the seller

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wagnerrp:

no, you cant sell that theaten meter

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yeah, they seem to have gone all out to protecting buyers, but at the expense of seller protection

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fryfrog:

anyone have a favorite cpu for the tough codecs? looks like E6750 is a good choice

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fryfrog:

from the wiki page

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fryfrog:

and maybe something amd in the ~5000+ range

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wagnerrp:

CM-1

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wagnerrp:

CM-5 rather

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fryfrog:

what is that?

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, C2D at 3.0 Ghz or better is a safe bet

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wagnerrp:

whats the point of having something to decode video when you dont have a big flashing e-penis to go along with it

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frostburg.jpg

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fryfrog:

krikey, 2ghz or etter?

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iamlindoro:

3

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

yeah, 3 :)

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iamlindoro:

E6850+

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iamlindoro:

IF you want to be *sure*, buy that.

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wagnerrp:

3 gets you HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

$187

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wagnerrp:

probably 2.5DC gets you anything blu-ray

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fryfrog:

ah, 3ghz is needed for hdpvr :/

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iamlindoro:

yeah. 2.5 is safe for BR

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fryfrog:

~2 for x264 1080p?

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fryfrog:

or maybe 2.5

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, 1) x264 isn't a codec

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: you mean the stuff you download?

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iamlindoro:

2) 1080p means nothing

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iamlindoro:

3) really means nothing without bitrate and encoding options

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fryfrog:

x264 is an encoding, 1080p implies a resolution

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iamlindoro:

no, x264 is an encoder

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fryfrog:

and of course it depends on bitrate and encoding options...

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iamlindoro:

h.264 is a codec

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fryfrog:

okay

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iamlindoro:

now you can punch every pirate in the web in the face for perpetuating that garbage

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, well if you know that the encoding options and bitrate are the real crux, why didn't you mention those?

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wagnerrp:

anyway, *downloaded* 1080p is usually <8Mbps, which can probably be decoded by a 2GHz single core

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iamlindoro:

unless whatever shitard encoding them single sliced it

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iamlindoro:

which is always a possibilty

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fryfrog:

is Wolfdale or Conroe newer?

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wagnerrp:

conroe was the original, so im guessing wolfdale

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fryfrog:

ah, that'd explain why all the E6Xxx are not in stock

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wagnerrp:

by about a year and a half

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fryfrog:

ah

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wagnerrp:

well the 6x50s should be in stock

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fryfrog:

a 3ghz E6850 is (out of stock at newegg) $200, 3ghz wolfdale is like $170

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wagnerrp:

well its 65nm vs. 45nm

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fryfrog:

ah

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wagnerrp:

the wolfdale requires considerably less resources to produce

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fryfrog:

makes sense

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fryfrog:

allendale must also be older

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fryfrog:

65nm too

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fignuts:

how do i make mythtv go to my windows share on the network to get my music?

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wagnerrp:

samba/cifs

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wagnerrp:

just mount the share, and then point mythmusic at the folder

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fignuts:

ok

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fignuts:

do i have to install a samba package?

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wagnerrp:

mounting should be supported by the kernel

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fignuts:

i see, i can mount it by browsing to it and right-click

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

i do it by the command line

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fignuts:

but how do you tell mythtv where the music is?

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wagnerrp:

frontend settings

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wagnerrp:

assuming you have mythmusic installed

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fignuts:

yeah i do

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fignuts:

i'm in the mythbuntu control center

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what the mythbuntu control center is

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wagnerrp:

go into the frontend settings

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fignuts:

i ran the frontend but i didn't find it in there

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fignuts:

looked all over

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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fignuts:

i can see a directory to store recorded media

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Music Settings->General

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iamlindoro:

you know, like you would expect

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fignuts:

yeah i looked there

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fignuts:

i'll check again

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iamlindoro:

You've gotta be kidding

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iamlindoro:

It's the *first* option on that screen AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

btw, there's one more layer (media settings) between setup and music settings

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wagnerrp:

i was halfway through typing that out

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fignuts:

i figured directory to hold music would be where to rip it to

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wagnerrp:

ugh... 1.9fps encoding some tv show

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wagnerrp:

general settings -> directory to hold music

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fignuts:

got it

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fignuts:

i don't know how to represent my windows share in there

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wagnerrp:

one of those esoteric settings

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fignuts:

i mounted the folder

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iamlindoro:

You don't. Mount it.

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wagnerrp:

you represent it by the folder you mounted it to

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iamlindoro:

so give the directory of the mountpoint

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wagnerrp:

so like... /the/folder/where/i/mounted/it

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fignuts:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, you give some technical sounding option and people say it's too confusing. You give a plain english option and people make wild leaps of logic.

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fignuts:

./music on computer

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wagnerrp:

where did you mount the folder to?

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wagnerrp:

obviously not to ./music

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, are you new to linux?

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wagnerrp:

love that mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

what you just typed is equivalent to "run script music, which is in the current directory, with arguments on and computer."

[03:25:26]

iamlindoro:

./ = current directory

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fignuts:

iamlindoro about 24 hours with linux now

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iamlindoro:

which has no meaning in a file dialogue requiring a full path

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: THis is why I am for organ harvesting.

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Dagmar:

fignuts: How long have you been using computers?

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fignuts:

i browsed to my windows computer, right clicked the music folder, and clicked mount... so now it's available as "music on ultra" in my places menu

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, ok, just checking. It would be wise, once you have things more or less working, to learn some fundamentals so that you don't do anything too painful to yourself

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fignuts:

20 years

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fignuts:

i'm getting there

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Dagmar:

Then you have simply failed to learn anything.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats an example of when to go back and try it again

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fignuts:

piss off

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fignuts:

either help or ignore me, please

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Dagmar:

That filename madness behaves the same as it does under Windows.

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fignuts:

i don't need it

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wagnerrp:

fstab is the preferred method of mounting anything in a reliable manner in linux

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Dagmar:

No, you piss off.

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Dagmar:

Stop lying to yourself.

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fignuts:

lying about what?

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fignuts:

nevermind

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fignuts:

i'm here for help

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wagnerrp:

look up fstab, smbmount, you might want to install samba while your at it

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fignuts:

ok

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Dagmar:

You just need to admit you're not paying enough attention to things you should learn and in 2–3 years you will be back "up to speed" with no problem

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fignuts:

anyway, i'll take the advice wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, here is an example of a fstab line for a samba mount:

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iamlindoro:

/192.168.0.99/music /MythMedia/music cifs guest,rw,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0

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iamlindoro:

er, missed a /

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iamlindoro:

//192.168.0.99/music /MythMedia/music cifs guest,rw,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0

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Dagmar:

So long as you say "I'm new to Linux" to excuse something that wouldn't have worked under the OS you have used for 15+ years, you're going to be bumping into a lot of doorways, so to speak

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fignuts:

13 years

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iamlindoro:

IIRC the smbfs filesystem type in fstab is deprecated now in favor of cifs

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Dagmar:

...and for the record, I have no problem with the fact that you didn't know about pathname expansion.

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wagnerrp:

fstab, youve got 'device_path mount_path fs_type options fsck_and_dump'

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Dagmar:

Doesn't bother me in the least, and it shouldn't get you particularly bent out of shape either

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fignuts:

i'm not bent out of shape

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fignuts:

all is good

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Dagmar:

Then don't tell me to "piss off" again

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fignuts:

i'm learning new things and it's fun

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Dagmar:

I know you're learning things.

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Dagmar:

If you weren't paying atention and learning, I'd have been calling you ugly names days ago

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fignuts:

i've only been here since yesterday, right after i installed ubuntu

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Dagmar:

I'll have to check the logs then (actually I don't care that much) I would swear someone using that nick has been in here about a week now

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wagnerrp:

the bigger problem is that ubuntu has all sorts of GUIs and menus, that arent going to be known and understood by anyone other than other ubuntu users

[03:31:20]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp++

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... I wonder if there's an ubuntu guide of some sort that gives people the very basics of understanding linux... I bet there must be

[03:31:36]

iamlindoro:

(am not being facetious, that would just be helpful to many)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro := sarcasm

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wagnerrp:

so if youre asking low level help from anyone other than a ubuntu user, right clicking anywhere will never be the correct answer to anything

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waxhead:

isn't that the ubuntu forums?

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Dagmar:

God

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iamlindoro:

good god no

[03:32:09]

iamlindoro:

That's the blind stabbing the blind

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Dagmar:

That would just about be the last place you'd want to go.

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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waxhead:

:)

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Dagmar:

Theyr'e still in Endless September mode over there

[03:32:34]

waxhead:

I guess it depends on how you get there..

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wagnerrp:

o'riley makes some decent basic linux books

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fignuts:

i might have stopped in the day before yesterday, but does it matter?

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waxhead:

usually google gets me there.. and it's about a specific issue...

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iamlindoro:

https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/linux-basics.html

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Dagmar:

fignuts: Not particularly, no

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iamlindoro:

There, that seems half decent for a start

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fignuts:

the point is you can't really say i haven't learned a thing... or at least there's no reason for it

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fignuts:

i've made it to an irc chat room, i must have learned something

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Dagmar:

That's true.

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iamlindoro:

You might be on mIRC on windows :)

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Dagmar:

What I'm saying is you've let all that WIndows use melt your brain

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fignuts:

you could version me to find out :P

[03:33:51]

fignuts:

i'm using xchat since yesterday

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, anyway, you will save yourself a world of growing pains if you check out that guide (and follow the arrows forward) once you have a chance

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, versions can be easily faked, and there's no rocket science to "apt-get install xchat" and clicking on it ;)

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Dagmar:

fignuts: What I'm getting at is that getting MythTV running is going to be a right bitch

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fignuts:

yeah i know

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fignuts:

i've managed dvd playback and ripping, and tv playback

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waxhead:

go the mythbuntu route then...

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: mythbuntu will get it running just fine

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fignuts:

i'm using mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

its that fixing things when you want to do something different that causes problems

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's where I was heading with that actually

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Dagmar:

GOOD.

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waxhead:

my media centre is running mythbuntu

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waxhead:

and it's been more stable than friends windows medica center

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fignuts:

there's a lot of things i didn't expect, like dvds not automatically working

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Dagmar:

This means we don't have to have the long and winding explanation about why you should install MythBuntu

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Dagmar:

fignuts: Actually, that stuff is going to get better

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fignuts:

my gf bought me a "hacking ubuntu" book, i've been paging thru that a bit too

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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Dagmar:

All the OS underpinnings for automatic media detection are there. Myth just has a little catching up gto di

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Dagmar:

er up to do

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iamlindoro:

I'll refrain from comment on the humor of that title

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waxhead:

fignuts: keep ubuntu to your laptop or home machine and install mythbuntu on a dedicated box....

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fignuts:

i know, it's pretty standard non-hacking stuff

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Dagmar:

You've proposed to this girl already?

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fignuts:

no

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fignuts:

she's expecting it tho

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Dagmar:

Ah but this *is* basically hacking

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strex-work:

anyone know if the Cx18 i2c driver issues have been fixed yet?

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fignuts:

i have an msi media live running mythbuntu and i just wiped windows off my laptop last night to install ubuntu

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fignuts:

my main pc has windows still because there's a lot of apps that i can't run, like ableton live and eagle

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Bentleyx_:

hi – I have a user job in my Job Queue. The previous job, Flag Commercials, completed. However my User Job remains at Status: Queued. How do i figure out why it's not running?

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** sutula gives fignuts credit for at least one decent decision **

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iamlindoro:

Hey, so all the classic Bond is coming out remastered on Blu ray this month, sooo excited to add that to MythVideo

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fignuts:

now, my eyes must be strained because i missed the guide you mentioned

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iamlindoro:

Time to use that mouse scrollwheel then ;)

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fignuts:

nice

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waxhead:

fignuts: fair plan...

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waxhead:

is blueray even supported in linux yet?

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wagnerrp:

waxhead: not directly, no

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iamlindoro:

depends on what you mean by supported

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waxhead:

I have an LG combo blueray HDDVD drive..

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Dagmar:

Bentleyx_: Check the backend logs

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wagnerrp:

you have to rip it, decrypt it, and play it from the hard drive

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iamlindoro:

If you mean "decrypt and play off the disk," then no.

[03:40:02]

iamlindoro:

But if you mean "rip and happily watch the file with a bit of work," then yes.

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waxhead:

so you can actually rip blueray to disk in myth?

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Dagmar:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

not in myth, no.

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Dagmar:

Not in Myth

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waxhead:

and when I say myth, I mean mythbuntu... :)

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waxhead:

sorry... shouldn't do that...

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Dagmar:

It can be ripped under Linux

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iamlindoro:

some can, anyway

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iamlindoro:

if it's AACS, it can be ripped under linux. If it's BD+ protected, it can be ripped with AnyDVD HD in vmware

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Dagmar:

Expect that the long uphill battle fought to get DVDs playing properly under Linux will just repeat itself for Bluray

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Dagmar:

It'll be a year or so

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wagnerrp:

hey, im up to 1.94fps!

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waxhead:

yep.... not a real winner...

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Dagmar:

....assuming there'

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Dagmar:

....assuming there's no law firm out there about to launch a salvo of bullshit

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waxhead:

especially with kids and partner all wanting to watch DVD's and having to muck about iwth things...

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iamlindoro:

I never watch shit off of disks anyway, even if I could I would still rip and add to mythvideo

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waxhead:

"hang on you lot while I rip to disk first....."

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wagnerrp:

im with iamlindoro on that one

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waxhead:

never a crowd pleaser...

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wagnerrp:

if i want to play something now, i have a dvd player to do that

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iamlindoro:

I gotta put *something* on all those 1TB disks

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waxhead:

not me...

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wagnerrp:

or blu-ray... ive got a PS3

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waxhead:

mythbuntu, amp TV

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waxhead:

that's it now...

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's why I've got a PS3 actually

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fignuts:

found the link

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fignuts:

hehe

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fignuts:

thanks, i'll read it tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

These guys are working their nuts off breaking open BD+, so there may be some hope for a linux rip solution RSN (or even a decryption library): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=140571&page=9

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wagnerrp:

well considering the slysoft guys got it, its only a matter of time

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iamlindoro:

Most of the progress has been made in the last month, and they seem pretty darn committed to getting it working

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Dagmar:

The slysoft guys have lawyers *and* a country that protects tech studies

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waxhead:

is that why....

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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wagnerrp:

well if only everyone could work out of the Caribbean

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RyeBrye:

I'd relocate there

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RyeBrye:

except for hurricane season

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waxhead:

oh... what's the commands to do the scanning and check signal strength?

[03:52:06]

waxhead:

I'm really pissed.. I've moved house and the reception is shite....

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iamlindoro:

scan and femon

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waxhead:

lots of chirps and pixels... :(

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waxhead:

wow... 56% used on a 1 TB drive...

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waxhead:

too many shows being recorded I think...

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RyeBrye:

time to buy another!

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waxhead:

maybe... the case won't hold it though...

[03:53:43]

RyeBrye:

time to buy another!

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RyeBrye:

;)

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RyeBrye:

esata?

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waxhead:

1 tb for movies and songs, 1tb for recordings...

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I've only got 6 more free drive slots

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

(13 filled)

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waxhead:

320gig for system drive...

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RyeBrye:

holy fucking shit

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RyeBrye:

(pardon my french)

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waxhead:

it's insane really... I didn't watch that much TV to start with...

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, 1TBs all no less ;)

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** RyeBrye is jealous **

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Dagmar:

waxhead: Well, there's a degree to which once you have a disk collection of a certain size, it begins to snowball

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RyeBrye:

I'm holding out on Newegg getting the 1.5 TB's back in stock before I start filling my drive bays

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iamlindoro:

meh, I rip my Bluray and HD-DVD stuff and don't transcode

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iamlindoro:

Even so I'm not even half full yet

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wagnerrp:

theyre already out of stock?

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Dagmar:

...and it makes monetary and technological *sense* for it to snowball

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, they don't get more in until next week at the earliest ( 9 / 29 is their estimate right now )

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RyeBrye:

The 1.5 TB's are priced pretty well right now – $189 – which makes 2 of them $40 cheaper than 3 1 TB drives at $139

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waxhead:

what am I looking for with femon?

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro – do you have those in any kind of RAID or just using storage groups?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, RAID 6

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wagnerrp:

yes, but three 1.5s are more expensive than four 1s

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fignuts:

i saw those 1.5's go up in the morning, and tried ordering in the evening :/

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fignuts:

i just ordered a 1TB instead, it came with a 4 gig sd card that i have no idea what i'll use for

[04:00:27]

fignuts:

maybe my gf's camera

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RyeBrye:

13.9 cents per GB vs 12.6 cents per GB

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I think newegg will have limits of 1 per customer on them when they do get them in stock

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fignuts:

i think they had that the first day

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fignuts:

still sold out

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fignuts:

btw this tutorial is really helpful

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fignuts:

bedtime, later guys

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fryfrog:

wow, i didn't even realize they were up to 1.5tb, who makes em?

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fryfrog:

are they 2 or 3 platters?

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RyeBrye:

seagate

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fryfrog:

gotta be 3 i imagine

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wagnerrp:

4, 375GB each

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

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fryfrog:

krikey, 4 platters!

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wagnerrp:

4 platters is nothing

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wagnerrp:

the first TB drives were 5

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RyeBrye:

from a reviewer: "Also, you need to have a partition less than 2TB on which to install Windows requiring you to create multiple partitions if you want a RAID array with these drives"

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RyeBrye:

LOL at Windows

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wagnerrp:

some scsi drives have over 10

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wagnerrp:

i have a pair with 12 platters each

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fryfrog:

they have to be tall drives, and old right?

[04:12:37]

fryfrog:

like double height or something?

[04:13:17]

wagnerrp:

something like that, but the platters are also about half the thickness as normal

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

all the read heads are fixed in that kind of setup, right?

[04:15:00]

fryfrog:

i mean, they are all on the same actuator?

[04:15:06]

wagnerrp:

correct

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fryfrog:

which is why performance tends to go down with more platters?

[04:15:49]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[04:16:04]

wagnerrp:

performance goes down with platters because the areal density goes up

[04:16:19]

wagnerrp:

err... fewer platters at the same time, higher areal density, higher performance

[04:16:46]

wagnerrp:

of course considering these are 10K drives with 2.5" platters, theyre far more responsive than anything short of a raptor

[04:16:50]

Dagmar:

When there's just one platter, the thing has to spin faster and be more dense by default or your performance *would* suffer

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Dagmar:

One of my friends here was all over those problems in college.

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Dagmar:

He now works for Google.

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wagnerrp:

s/same time/same size/

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so a 320G 1platter and 640G 2 platter would have the same areal density (they'd be using the same platters, but just 1 more).

[04:19:00]

Dagmar:

I coulnd't recite it properly to save my life, but he was able to show on paper where the upper bounds on performance was for a given set of platters.

[04:19:01]

fryfrog:

so the 640G would not have as good random access times, no?

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Dagmar:

Not quite

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Dagmar:

When you have two platters, viewed vertically the things write two bits in one spot

[04:19:58]

Dagmar:

So, when you reduce platters, accuracy becomes very important in one way

[04:20:08]

Dagmar:

When you increase platters, a different type of accuracy becomes important

[04:20:32]

Dagmar:

If you want to basically make a disk unrecoverable now, you don't really need to burn it

[04:20:44]

Dagmar:

You just have to take the platters out and lose their alignment to each other

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wagnerrp:

of course thats unreadable to an undetermined person

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Dagmar:

It's unreadable to a guy whose job it is to recover your data.

[04:22:21]

wagnerrp:

depends on how much hardware they have

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Dagmar:

The guy who did the disk recovery presentation for BLackhat three years ago repeated it at Summercon

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Dagmar:

THey give much more "Real world" examples when they're drinking. :)

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Dagmar:

You might as well just hash the entire dataset as to spin the platters independent of each other

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wagnerrp:

i suppose its about like encryption, you would have to brute force the clocking

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waxhead:

is there any way to have myth scan for channels, but only pick up the ones from a certain frequency and above?

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tsukasa__:

hey

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tsukasa__:

so i cant fullscreen my frontend

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wagnerrp:

scan, and then delete the ones you dont want

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like some sort of window manager issue

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: THink of it like playing whassit called... um... Mastermind, except you don't get any hints.

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tsukasa__:

my tv is 1366x768 and 1365x767 and all windowed resolutions work fine in opengl and qt

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Dagmar:

You either get it RIGHT, or you get complete garbage

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tsukasa__:

but fullscreen its all fucked up

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Dagmar:

Two platters, kinda doable. Three, oh shit. Four, you're fucked

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tsukasa__:

wagnerrp: its gnome

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waxhead:

wagnerrp: can I run scan on it's own ?

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iamlindoro:

$5 on ATI card

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tsukasa__:

yes it is

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iamlindoro:

heh

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tsukasa__:

how do i fix it

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iamlindoro:

buy nVidia

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tsukasa__:

not helping

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iamlindoro:

I'm being serious

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Dagmar:

No seriously. He is.

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iamlindoro:

That's your only option outside of waiting for ATI to fumblefuck around and fix the driver for you

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Dagmar:

Yer TV is 1366x768, btw

[04:30:45]

waxhead:

i bought an ATI card, then had to buy nvidia...

[04:30:50]

tsukasa__:

er, what about mythtv is special that it screws up when other fullscreen apps (compiz, for instance) works fine

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waxhead:

fixed all problems

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Dagmar:

tsukasa__: Compiz is probably half your problem if it's still enabled

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iamlindoro:

You also shouldn't be running compiz with myth

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tsukasa__:

its not, but compiz does work is what im saying

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Dagmar:

Compiz uses yer GL buffers

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Dagmar:

You can't get them back very well.

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tsukasa__:

gl output on mplayer works great

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iamlindoro:

we're not mplayer

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tsukasa__:

it works windowed?

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iamlindoro:

so?

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iamlindoro:

What can I tell you outside of "ATI brok their drivers again and this is a great argument for why they should be open source in the first place?"

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tsukasa__:

they are sortof there

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tsukasa__:

ish

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iamlindoro:

except not at all

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RyeBrye:

But but but but... ATI is helping teh open sorcers I sware! they sed it in a pres conference!

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iamlindoro:

Their driver remains as closed as ever

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RyeBrye:

yeah, ATI is as bad as ever

[04:33:47]

RyeBrye:

they just have better PR now to lie to us all

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tsukasa__:

alright, ill pick up an nvidia card

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Dagmar:

What they released was the info necessary to start over

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Dagmar:

...which didn't exactly help anyone

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RyeBrye:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/displ . . . mputers.html

[04:35:29]

waxhead:

the frequency info for where I live isn't in the dvb-t directory for scan...

[04:35:43]

waxhead:

however this link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVICO-Ul . . . in_Australia has the info as sql statements...

[04:36:07]

waxhead:

what's the relevent info from that, that I can use to create a suitable frequeny file ?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, Yet another ATI half-measure, I see

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, Hey, we've got hardware accel! So long as you are a manufacturer and don't intend to use it in your naughty naughty homebrew DVRs!

[04:43:24]

iamlindoro:

Which is a shame, because if that were open and there was even the *chance* of myth support, I'd go buy a high end ATI card that very day

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Dagmar:

It's being released to "Everyone who pays us"

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iamlindoro:

I'd pay them by buying a shitload of cards if they'd just publish a fucking API. I don't give two shits if the driver is closed source if it would just freakin' *work*

[04:46:12]

iamlindoro:

Alas, it's ATI, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

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wagnerrp:

because as you well know, the homebrew DVR crowd is a large target audience

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iamlindoro:

It is a larger target audience than "companies wanting to build linux based DVRs" (as it's a bit late to be entering that market)

[04:47:43]

iamlindoro:

not to mention linux enthusiasts tend to be in the decision making and recommendation making position both at home and at work... and we hold grudges.

[04:48:38]

iamlindoro:

I think the larger impact of pissing off the OSS community isn't what we don't buy... it's who we *convince* not to buy

[04:54:25]

wagnerrp:

im watching recordings on my windows desktop, so i dont have commercial skipping

[04:54:52]

wagnerrp:

do people not realize that the fact that they crank up the volume on ads makes me more likely to turn them off

[04:55:30]

wagnerrp:

if its the same volume, i can just ignore it while doing something else during the break

[04:55:48]

wagnerrp:

since its loud, i have to mute it

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wagnerrp:

(i realize i can just fast forward, but that doesnt mean i dont hear the ads during the skips)

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wagnerrp:

seems theres a wootoff

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, whassat?

[05:01:53]

iamlindoro:

I know woot.com... related?

[05:02:14]

wagnerrp:

normally, they do one item a day

[05:02:25]

wagnerrp:

during a wootoff, they do one item until it sells out, then do another

[05:02:37]

wagnerrp:

usually somewhere along the line, there is a bag of crap

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

the bag of crap is... well... usually a bag of worthless crap

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wagnerrp:

but occasionally you get something good, like a note saying your TV is in the mail

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wagnerrp:

its usually sold out about 30 seconds after being put up though

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wagnerrp:

looks like it acutally started yesterday

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wagnerrp:

i guess i forgot to check it

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PugMajere1:

what platform is best for servers? opterons/itaniums/sparcs/PPC/xeon

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wagnerrp:

depends on your price range

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fryfrog:

also your goal

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iamlindoro:

and what it is you intend to serve

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wagnerrp:

but... for the standard x86 generic server, probably xeons

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fryfrog:

prolly wouldn't be using sparc/ppc on a windows box :)

[05:05:43]

wagnerrp:

i thought Sun ships opterons now

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fryfrog:

in their low end x86 solaris junk

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fryfrog:

you can of course still plunk down major cash for the "real" stuff :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if i would ever buy itaniums

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wagnerrp:

i imagine if i ever got up the need for something like that, i would just go for IBM big irons

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iamlindoro:

If you are asking for myth purposes, you'd be an idiot to be buying big expensive Xeons, btw

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PugMajere1:

wagnerrp why not? itaniums are highend

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wagnerrp:

exactly, if i needed that kind of high end, i could probably justify a z-machine

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, opteron/xeons would be perfectly sufficient

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fryfrog:

i've got a dual quad core 1U in my living room :)

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fryfrog:

8 freakin cores in a 1U chassis!

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wagnerrp:

thats just... wrong

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fryfrog:

it is redonkulous

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fryfrog:

(just temp of course, isn't for me)

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wagnerrp:

not the fact that you have 8 cores in 1U

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wagnerrp:

but rather the fact that you have something that generates that much noise in your living room

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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fryfrog:

yeah, i it is off :p

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fryfrog:

it

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wagnerrp:

for instance, the cell blades are 18-cores in a single blade

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fryfrog:

8 cores, 16G ram and 4x 10k rpm sata drives

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wagnerrp:

much smaller than a 1U case

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fryfrog:

nice

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fryfrog:

how does a cell core compare? they are... what the ps3 uses right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

they are a floating point monster

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wagnerrp:

but not much good for anything else

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

its a vector processor

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wagnerrp:

if you cant vectorize your code, its next to worthless

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fryfrog:

so very very good for some specific applications?

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fryfrog:

maybe rendering?

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fryfrog:

science junks?

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

multimedia and physics

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Wicked:

well ive been messing around all day on this and have no idea where to go from here...im getting a buzzing/hissing type sound from a rca cable going into a audio jack on my pvr-150...if i plug the audio jack directly into my speakers..there is no buzzing...its only when plugged into my pvr-150. ive tried changing pci slots...still a buzzing....ive also re routed the audio wire as to avoid as many wires as possible....is there anything else i can

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Wicked:

do? or what is causing this problem?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... if im going to start transcoding and storing all this HD stuff, im going to need more power

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wagnerrp:

plug something else into the 150, say an mp3 player or something

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wagnerrp:

see if you get the buzzing

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Wicked:

hmm well it would need to be something that has rca outputs.....as its the audio jack that gets plugged into the pvr.....

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wagnerrp:

i thought you had an audio jack on your pvr

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Wicked:

i tested the cable.......its not that. someone mentioned something about a bad ground loop..but i have no idea what that is or how to see if thats the issue.

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wagnerrp:

that being the 1/8" port

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, correct

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wagnerrp:

so just plug an mp3 player in

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wagnerrp:

they have 1/8" ports

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wagnerrp:

unless you dont have a patch cable

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Wicked:

i dont have a double ended audio jack cable

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Wicked:

just rca to 1/8th

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wagnerrp:

so try it from some other device, maybe a VCR, or CD player

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Wicked:

i dont get any noises when i use a coaxial cable from the cable box to the pvr...its just the rca to 1/8th when i get noise

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Wicked:

i tried reading something about the bad ground loop.......would switching where everything is plugged into help?.

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wagnerrp:

if your electrical system is poor

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wagnerrp:

basically, a ground loop is caused when your connection to ground is too high resistance

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

i just wish i could figure thisout.

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wagnerrp:

if you have a sufficiently high voltage source grounded through that connection, the ground will no longer be ground (0V)

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wagnerrp:

so any other equipment will now be pulling against some voltage other than 0V

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Wicked:

i have a power strip plugged into a wall socket(actually 2 power strips)

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_hum

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wagnerrp:

listen to the audio file on there, is that the noise you hear?

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Wicked:

hmm actually i hear no noise

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wagnerrp:

well if you hear no noise, then whats the problem

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Wicked:

no noise from that site....

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Wicked:

restarted ff

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wagnerrp:

well you have to hit the play buttons about halfway down the page

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Wicked:

yea its like that noise..but not as loud or strong

[05:44:10]

Wicked:

yea...somthing was using my soundcard....

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Wicked:

sounds more like the 60Hz

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wagnerrp:

it better sound like the 60Hz signal

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wagnerrp:

if youre getting the 50Hz one in the US, you have bigger problems at play

[05:45:10]

wagnerrp:

anyway, thats an issue of something not being properly grounded

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Wicked:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

if you take a standard pair of computer speakers, touch the tip to your computer case, you will likely get that noise

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Wicked:

let me see

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wagnerrp:

which means, something on that card is grounding out against your computer case

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, the card is not seated properly

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wagnerrp:

putting the audio jack too close to the edge of the slot

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wagnerrp:

so the audio plug is not full inserted into the port, and the side is touching the slot divider on the case

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Wicked:

i didnt get a hum when i took the speaker jack and placed it against the case.......

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Wicked:

let me see if i can see if the rca to phone jack is in all the way

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wagnerrp:

basically, the port should be in the center of the slot vertically

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wagnerrp:

if its too close to the divider strip, it may be causing your problem

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Wicked:

its almost in the dead center...though it does look slighty closer to the top of the slot.

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Wicked:

and the phone jack is plugged in all the way

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wagnerrp:

not a problem then

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Wicked:

*sigh* well i really have no more ideas. maby ill try a diff pci slot again...see if its more in the center of the slot.

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wagnerrp:

the slot wouldnt make a difference

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wagnerrp:

i was more worried of it being angled up or down

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Wicked:

no?

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Wicked:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

do you have a coax cable connected?

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Wicked:

no. i disconnected it when i plugged the svideo in

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wagnerrp:

that wouldnt be a source of noise then...

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wagnerrp:

anyway, a mains ground loop seems to be your problem, but i dont know how to fix it

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wagnerrp:

other than maybe trying a different electrical circuit (different part of the house)

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Wicked:

this card wouldnt fit in all the way in the original pci slot(it was hitting the frame where you put a screw to hold it into the case) so i bent that bracket slightly...but it has contact and screw semi screwed in holding it into the case

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wagnerrp:

actually, it seems all the equipment should be on the same outlet

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Wicked:

hmm..i do believe it is

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Wicked:

or they are....

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Wicked:

and its weird...its only when i use the rca.....if i use the coaxial cable..from the cablebox to the tv card....no interference.

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Wicked:

should the cable box be plugged into the same power strip?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Wicked:

ok. i think that is the one thats not. let me check it out.

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Wicked:

yea cable box is plugged into same power strip

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perlmonkey:

good morning folks

[07:29:51]

perlmonkey:

unusual problem.. I've got a wifi security camera (PAL/composite) connected to a PVR-150 and the picture is getting scrambled on cat /dev/video0 > capture.mpg for some reason

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AdamMoredo:

Hello.

[07:31:18]

perlmonkey:

hi Adam

[07:32:18]

perlmonkey:

pigeons are not unlike hens and hens share more human DNA than many other animals

[07:32:37]

perlmonkey:

(perlmonkey's random thought of the day)

[07:36:41]

AdamMoredo:

I somewhat doubt that's entirely correct, but that's off-topic. On topic, however, I have a spare IBM T22 at home. I believe it's around 800 Mhz with about 128 MB of RAM. It currently runs Windows 2000, but I'm quite sure I can wipe it with Ubuntu and put MythTV on it.

[07:37:24]

perlmonkey:

which part do you doubt is correct

[07:37:25]

AdamMoredo:

My question is: Is that powerful enough to do live TV pausing, like TiVo allows?

[07:37:47]

perlmonkey:

the T22 model is a laptop right?

[07:37:49]

AdamMoredo:

Yes.

[07:38:23]

perlmonkey:

the answer to your question depends on whether that machine is soley to be used as a frontend, or whether it's a combo machine and what type of capturing you do (hardware/software)

[07:38:47]

AdamMoredo:

I also have a spare 100 GB IDE hard drive at home that I want to somehow interface with the laptop (any suggestions?)

[07:39:06]

perlmonkey:

well the hardware would be ok just about for hardware capture card setup

[07:39:11]

AdamMoredo:

As far as the machine's purpose goes, it doesn't have any hardware that I know of that allows for MPEG, etc. encoding / decoding.

[07:39:28]

perlmonkey:

ok thats not gonna do it then

[07:39:29]

AdamMoredo:

At the worst, I'd like to be able to record stuff.

[07:39:40]

AdamMoredo:

Figured, but it was worth a shot.

[07:40:17]

perlmonkey:

I've run mythtv with a hardware capture card on a P3 500Mhz with 256mb ram and 20GB hdd

[07:40:21]

AdamMoredo:

The TV I'm going to connect to is a 19" HD LCD by Samsung (a roommate owns it, so for more information I'll go ask him)

[07:40:22]

perlmonkey:

runs fine

[07:41:13]

AdamMoredo:

What do you do with it? I'm only focusing on MythTV because I want something free that records stuff and allows me to reuse existing, but unused hardware.

[07:41:33]

AdamMoredo:

I want to be able to, at minimum, record stuff.

[07:41:54]

perlmonkey:

unless you have a capture card with its own encoder you'll need a sufficiently powerful system and lots of memory to be able to capture live tv

[07:42:21]

perlmonkey:

my main reason for setting mythtv was to be able to watch cable tv across my network in other rooms, and over wifi on my laptop

[07:42:34]

perlmonkey:

but i also have a security camera hooked up to it now

[07:42:39]

AdamMoredo:

Sweet.

[07:42:49]

perlmonkey:

another advantage for me anyway was to be able to record several channels at same time

[07:43:01]

AdamMoredo:

How powerful is powerful by the way?

[07:43:33]

perlmonkey:

phew, its been said that a Pentium 4 2Ghz as a minimum or equivalent

[07:43:39]

perlmonkey:

and at least 1GB of ram

[07:43:50]

AdamMoredo:

Wow, out of luck then :(

[07:43:56]

perlmonkey:

but you know...

[07:44:26]

perlmonkey:

i've been able to watch live tv without using mythtv using a bog standard television receiver card on a very basic machine before

[07:44:36]

perlmonkey:

because no capturing is done it

[07:44:53]

AdamMoredo:

So, with my setup, what would you say, is feasible?

[07:44:56]

perlmonkey:

but you wouldnt be able to pause and timeshift etc which is what you wanted to do right

[07:45:12]

AdamMoredo:

I have a ton of cable channels coming in through the apartment outlet.

[07:45:40]

AdamMoredo:

Hmm, come to think of it... I can't do much without some sort of cable-to-computer interface.

[07:45:49]

perlmonkey:

that machine would be ok for a mythtv frontend, or you could use it as a combo machine (frontend+backend) just about, providing you had a hardware encoder capture card

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perlmonkey:

but i would seriously recommend upgrading the memory to at least 256mb

[07:46:39]

perlmonkey:

:D

[07:46:44]

perlmonkey:

more than 300 channels?

[07:46:55]

AdamMoredo:

Hmm, how much do those things cost on average and how easy is it to jam them into a laptop?

[07:47:01]

perlmonkey:

i was staggered to hear that some Americans can get over 350 channels

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perlmonkey:

oh boy, i didnt realise you had a laptop that changes things a lot

[07:47:26]

AdamMoredo:

Yeah, that's not unusual on campus.

[07:47:50]

perlmonkey:

well a laptop is kinda limited for capture devices, you'll be looking at USB devices right

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AdamMoredo:

Hmm, I really want to play with MythTV and Asterisk, but I guess my cheapness is getting in the way. Maybe when I have more disposable income as 0 USD = no disposable income :(

[07:48:53]

perlmonkey:

it's not ideal, although you can pick up cheap software driven devices really you want a hardware encoder capture card for a low spec machine like that, but i'm not sure those are available in USB format for a low budget

[07:49:04]

perlmonkey:

yeah :(

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AdamMoredo:

Hmm, well perlmonkey, I appreciate the help :)

[07:49:29]

wagnerrp:

AdamMoredo: pausing takes no power to do

[07:49:29]

perlmonkey:

you would be better getting hold of a cheap desktop machine, just a base unit without a monitor say a P3–500Mhz

[07:49:34]

wagnerrp:

its the playback that causes issues

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perlmonkey:

and then installing a hardware encoder card like Hauppauge PVR150

[07:49:58]

perlmonkey:

and using the laptop solely as a frontend to it

[07:50:15]

perlmonkey:

wagnerrp is right

[07:50:20]

wagnerrp:

anyway, my A22p (1GHz/700MHz/384MB/rage128) can play back SD mpeg2 just fine

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AdamMoredo:

I do have a 700 MHz + 256 MB box at home that is a dedicated desktop, that's also unused, and (!) I just remembered it has a faulty hard drive, so I can load in the 100 GB hard drive.

[07:50:38]

wagnerrp:

it plays just fine on battery at 700, so your laptop should be fine

[07:51:01]

AdamMoredo:

What's the point of pausing if you can't "resume"?

[07:51:23]

AdamMoredo:

It's like hibernation without bringing your environment back.

[07:51:30]

justinh:

ruh?

[07:51:36]

perlmonkey:

hi justinh

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wagnerrp:

well my point is that playback is the more important feature here, rather than being able to pause

[07:51:45]

AdamMoredo:

Understood.

[07:51:58]

wagnerrp:

anyway, perlmonkey, why is your network enabled camera recording over your analog capture card?

[07:52:16]

wagnerrp:

the fact that its network enabled means it does your video capture for you

[07:52:35]

justinh:

perlmonkey: hiya. btw have we met in person at LRL or somesuch? your nick rings a bell

[07:52:42]

wagnerrp:

unless you have some funky camera that is not actually WiFi, but rather broadcasts to its own proprietary base station

[07:52:46]

perlmonkey:

wagnerrp: hi, thats a good question, the receiver has just a composite video out, so i just plugged that into my capture card

[07:53:13]

justinh:

I was travelling by a different nick then & was 'on tour' with mythtv

[07:53:23]

wagnerrp:

so its not actually a wifi camera, just an rf one

[07:53:28]

perlmonkey:

wagnerrp: its windows software came with the camera, i have no clue about using it in Linux environment

[07:53:37]

perlmonkey:

perhaps I should be using Zoneminder?

[07:53:42]

wagnerrp:

what model?

[07:53:52]

justinh:

I keep thinking about trying ZM

[07:54:41]

justinh:

see if it's any better than my http://www.dedicatedmicrosus.com/files/prod_cml_d4.jpg

[07:54:47]

perlmonkey:

it's a low budget chinese import, the make and model is Sumvision SV04–803, it has colour, sound and 300k censor 50m range over 2.4Ghz works quite good on normal TV set

[07:55:21]

perlmonkey:

no sorry it works over 1.2Ghz

[07:55:27]

justinh:

if I had the budget I'd go for megapixel network cameras

[07:55:41]

justinh:

and no, not wireless

[07:56:02]

perlmonkey:

i plan to get a better camera at some point, this was really just to see how good these things are, but it lacks nightvision and zoom etc

[07:56:13]

justinh:

weatherproof housings cost more than the cameras though

[07:56:14]

perlmonkey:

cost me £30 only, around $45

[07:56:14]

AdamMoredo:

So, sorry, as a follow-up, 700 MHz + 256 MB box, how cheap can I get a hardware encoder card and a hardware capture card?

[07:56:45]

justinh:

night vision is as simple as pulling an IR filter from the lens & flooding the scene with IR light

[07:56:56]

perlmonkey:

AdamMoredo on eBay you can pick up a PCI Hauppauge PVR-150 which is a good starting point card for like £25 or maybe $40

[07:57:01]

wagnerrp:

... what justinh said

[07:57:11]

wagnerrp:

CCDs naturally pick up IR

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justinh:

it's not much cop though, IR vision. you can't accurately tell light from dark clothing never mind colours

[07:57:21]

wagnerrp:

although its better if you have b/w cameras

[07:57:39]

AdamMoredo:

perlmonkey: Wow, that does both?

[07:57:53]

justinh:

tell the coppers the perp was wearing a light coloured shirt – when infact they might've been wearing a black shirt :P

[07:58:17]

perlmonkey:

Adam: yeah that's a hardware encoder card and will handle all the recording of the video and enable you to run mythtv on a low spec machine

[07:58:29]

justinh:

and as far as producing recognisable face pictures.... rofl

[07:58:42]

perlmonkey:

hehe you guys running security cameras?

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justinh:

basically home cctv is ok for telling you somebody was there

[07:58:51]

wagnerrp:

nope

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AdamMoredo:

perlmonkey: If this works, you're amazing. Thank you very much.

[07:59:13]

perlmonkey:

yeah agreed, these low budget cameras are not ideal for identifying offenders or using as evidence

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justinh:

and seeing cameras is no deterrent to burglars either. I know this first hand now

[07:59:23]

wagnerrp:

although, less than megapixel isnt really good for anything more than someone is there

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AdamMoredo:

perlmonkey: And if it doesn't... I'm using nothing but Python from now on :p

[07:59:31]

perlmonkey:

but its ok to monitor people you know or just to see what is occurring outside, deliveries etc

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perlmonkey:

Adam: welcome :)

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justinh:

perlmonkey: you'll find that the vast majority of cctv – even so-called 'high resolution' cameras are no good for ID purposes either. not by the time they've been recorded

[08:00:23]

wagnerrp:

personally, id like one on the front door (to decide whether i want to respond to the doorbell)

[08:00:42]

perlmonkey:

Adam: mythtv is not an easy thing to setup tho, requires a lot of reading and patience.. i would recommend the Ubuntu distro for its mythtv friendly packages and support, but others here may disagree

[08:01:11]

wagnerrp:

mythbuntu and knoppmyth can pretty much get you running with a basic installation

[08:01:18]

justinh:

like pain? like pain a lot? ue $DISTRO!

[08:01:30]

perlmonkey:

wagnerrp: that is pretty much what i use mine for, to monitor callers

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perlmonkey:

I live in a 2nd floor apartment and can see the front of the building and neighbourhood

[08:01:49]

AdamMoredo:

perlmonkey: Yeah, I personally like Arch Linux better, and I've found just from personal experience that OpenBSD works best on low-end hardware (uses least resources, etc.)

[08:02:24]

AdamMoredo:

perlmonkey: Same here, except it's on campus and I've got a Faraday cage for a place.

[08:02:41]

justinh:

AdamMoredo: forget about myth on BSD

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perlmonkey:

Adam: all my machines are quite low spec, P3's so I run a less demanding desktop (Xfce) and its pretty fine

[08:02:47]

AdamMoredo:

justinh: Why is that?

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justinh:

BSD has no V4L

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wagnerrp:

i highly doubt you live in a faraday cage

[08:03:03]

perlmonkey:

haha

[08:03:05]

AdamMoredo:

V4L = video for Linux?

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justinh:

yup

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perlmonkey:

you got it

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AdamMoredo:

Ah, heh.

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wagnerrp:

unless you happen to live in a concrete pour building with wire mesh in the walls

[08:03:42]

AdamMoredo:

wagnerrp: It's basically a concrete pour building with steel _everywhere_

[08:03:59]

AdamMoredo:

I don't get any reception in here.

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justinh:

if it's just going to be a machine with mythtv on it, why even care what distro it runs?

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perlmonkey:

Adam: you got cable right?

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wagnerrp:

steel everywhere wont do it, you need mesh, and sufficiently fine that microwave transmissions wont get through

[08:04:21]

AdamMoredo:

justinh: Because the less resources used the better.

[08:04:25]

justinh:

arch has its advocates, I'm sure. But ubuntu has a community army

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AdamMoredo:

justinh: Sure, I use Ubuntu and am using it right now to talk to you. Variety is a great spice to life :)

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perlmonkey:

ubuntu rocks

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justinh:

AdamMoredo: oh come on. my Athlon 800 dev box copes with recording 10 shows at the same time from one tuner which serving 3 frontends

[08:05:08]

justinh:

and it's running ubuntu

[08:05:10]

perlmonkey:

I used debian for almost 10 years previously

[08:05:20]

perlmonkey:

but Ubuntu is like a modern version of debian

[08:05:28]

justinh:

when you talk about 'limited resources' there comes a point where sanity has to prevail ;)

[08:05:35]

perlmonkey:

yes

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perlmonkey:

hardware is so cheap nowadays isnt it

[08:05:52]

wagnerrp:

you need... about a 4" mesh to kill 2.4GHz wireless

[08:05:55]

justinh:

do you mean a 20MHz pentium with 2MB Ram?

[08:05:57]

AdamMoredo:

Yeah, but OpenBSD runs perfectly on my 75 MHz + 32 MB RAM + 6 GB hard drive box.

[08:06:10]

justinh:

AdamMoredo: mythtv is not going to be run on that box

[08:06:11]

perlmonkey:

you can pick up p3's and P4's on eBay for next to nothing also if you *really* are on a low budget

[08:06:14]

wagnerrp:

chain-link or smaller will kill 802.11a

[08:07:02]

justinh:

mythtv uses mysql.. and how much ram does mysql need? the footprint the distro occupies soon becomes irrelevant

[08:07:43]

justinh:

the minimum recommended amount of ram for a mythtv backend is 256MB. That's not unreasonable

[08:07:52]

AdamMoredo:

I understand.

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perlmonkey:

my setup is as follows: laptop (mythtv frontend) P3–600/256MB/20GB, ,mythtv masterbackend P3–500/512MB/20GB mythtv slave backend P3–700/1GB/80GB

[08:08:16]

justinh:

the minimum CPU you could get away with would be 500Mhz for a backend, assuming no commercial detection & no transcoding ever takes place

[08:08:26]

AdamMoredo:

Well, the recommendations from this channel have probably saved me a few weeks and probably a few hundred dollars on useless hardware.

[08:08:26]

justinh:

again, very reasonable

[08:08:30]

AdamMoredo:

Thanks :)

[08:08:45]

perlmonkey:

my mysql server runs separate on a gateway server which is P3–600/256/72GB raid

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justinh:

we just try & save people from themselves. some people have stupid crazy ideas

[08:08:56]

wagnerrp:

justinh: im sure clever would fight you over that statement... :P

[08:09:05]

justinh:

wagnerrp: well, clever is an ass

[08:09:29]

perlmonkey:

i would not go any lower on hardware than my level really even with the Hauppauge hardware encoder cards I use

[08:09:29]

wagnerrp:

clever has a different concept of bare minimum

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AdamMoredo:

All right, I should go to sleep. I'm going to go to town with all the cool techie dreams I'll have tonight.

[08:09:36]

perlmonkey:

I think that's really a minimum

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AdamMoredo:

Thanks again everyone.

[08:09:48]

perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

I'm now building an all new up todate master backend which is AMD2 4000 with 1GB of ram and 320GB hdd

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perlmonkey:

also has DVB card and HDMI output

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perlmonkey:

you can run mythtv live tv stream across 11g

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perlmonkey:

11b even just about

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wagnerrp:

you cant do it with 11b

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wagnerrp:

too unstable with no headroom

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perlmonkey:

yes i did it with 11b but got some frame dropping and was not too reliable, i could of tweaked the settings but just went to 11g cuz they are so cheap

[08:13:23]

wagnerrp:

g should not be made to handle more than 1 SD stream, maybe 2 if sufficiently low bitrate

[08:13:33]

clever:

wagnerrp: 11b was working fine for sdtv, but my driver would crap itself without warning and drop the link for 10 seconds at a time

[08:13:37]

perlmonkey:

11g handles it fine with no problems at all on my laptop

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perlmonkey:

clever: i had same experience, i used 11b for a while tho

[08:14:05]

wagnerrp:

what bitrate of SD?

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clever:

~1gig/hour

[08:14:17]

clever:

300kbyte/sec

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clever:

right at the limit of 11b

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wagnerrp:

ok, mpeg2, that is exceedingly low

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perlmonkey:

:D

[08:14:31]

perlmonkey:

taking it to the limit

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wagnerrp:

mpeg4, thats acceptable

[08:15:11]

perlmonkey:

what can i expect with dvb capture card is that a whole different scenario to analog capture card

[08:15:23]

wagnerrp:

completely different

[08:15:29]

wagnerrp:

you have no control over the bitrate

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perlmonkey:

ok this is new territory for me

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

wagnerrp: except after a long transcode

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wagnerrp:

its little more than a stream capture

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perlmonkey:

will it present less/more problems over 11g?

[08:16:20]

wagnerrp:

perlmonkey: they can do a much better encoding job than your little hardware encoder

[08:16:21]

perlmonkey:

and more demands on my limited hardware?

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perlmonkey:

ok

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wagnerrp:

so they can get down to a significantly lower bitrate with the same quality (for SD video)

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perlmonkey:

wow

[08:16:53]

wagnerrp:

but HD video could be upwards of 7–8GB/hr

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perlmonkey:

:-O

[08:17:10]

wagnerrp:

and again, you have no choice but to take what they give you

[08:17:13]

perlmonkey:

now its only 2GB/hour with analog

[08:17:42]

perlmonkey:

i will need to invest heavily in hard drives

[08:17:56]

perlmonkey:

my 72GB SCSI raid will no longer cut it

[08:17:56]

wagnerrp:

clever: im beginning to realize that, 6 hours for 22 minutes of video

[08:18:15]

clever:

wagnerrp: lol ouch

[08:18:32]

clever:

my transcodes are usualy 1:1 or better depending on what system is doing it

[08:18:45]

wagnerrp:

although thats at 1080p24

[08:19:00]

wagnerrp:

inverse telecine from 1080i60

[08:19:16]

perlmonkey:

since i switched to 11g ever so often and quite frequently when using laptop for extended periods the connection just goes, my pcmcia card just resets and losses connection to router, no clue why its most annoying nothing in logs

[08:19:27]

perlmonkey:

it happens even when not using mythtv

[08:19:48]

clever:

perlmonkey: i got that alot with my 11b card, write errors in dmesg

[08:19:51]

perlmonkey:

i never had that with 11b was always reliable and im using same pcmcia card

[08:19:53]

clever:

would recover after 20 seconds

[08:20:04]

perlmonkey:

mine does not recover :(

[08:20:16]

perlmonkey:

and since i mount my /home over NFS have to reboot

[08:20:22]

perlmonkey:

system freezes

[08:20:49]

perlmonkey:

i dunno if its the router is a bit shoddy its a Tlink cheapo chinese one

[08:21:58]

perlmonkey:

ive noticed also when i check the signal or range on my laptop it often says it cannot detect any station or get a reading!

[08:22:16]

wagnerrp:

4500kbps seems to be more than sufficient, i may re-encode it to see if i can trim that down a bit

[08:22:20]

perlmonkey:

theres a lot of wifi users around here in close proximatety

[08:22:47]

wagnerrp:

the only glaring issues are ones that already exist in the mpeg2 master

[08:22:59]

perlmonkey:

one question...

[08:23:32]

perlmonkey:

when you're watching live tv is it possible to record/permanently store from the previously watched program that's held on hdd?

[08:23:54]

wagnerrp:

ill have to see if this can stream to my PS3

[08:23:58]

perlmonkey:

and how does timeshifting, or moving forwards/backwards and pausing effect the recording?

[08:24:24]

wagnerrp:

700MB for a half hour, 1.4 for an hour seems acceptable

[08:24:51]

perlmonkey:

ive been doing a comparison of mythtv capabilities verses a commercial JVC hdd recorder, and in general HDD recorders cannot record or store from livetv playback after the event

[08:25:00]

wagnerrp:

2250hrs of storage

[08:25:19]

perlmonkey:

which kinda sucks, so would be neato if mythtv had a tick for that

[08:25:21]

perlmonkey:

anyone?

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wagnerrp:

perlmonkey: mythtv will store all of a livetv recording until the next show has begun

[08:26:28]

perlmonkey:

wagnerrp: but by stored, do you mean it will give you access to the recording in the archive/previous recordings so you can name it/save it, or just allow temporary playback until you power down the system?

[08:26:33]

wagnerrp:

it will continue to store that livetv recording, to allow you to flip it to a permanent recording, for up to 24 hours, at which point it will be auto-expired.

[08:26:48]

perlmonkey:

woah

[08:27:02]

perlmonkey:

thats what i was hoping to hear thats very neat

[08:27:03]

wagnerrp:

that was one of the big reasons for converting from the old ringbuffer mechanism

[08:27:27]

wagnerrp:

the ringbuffer only allowed for a couple minutes of cache (whatever the size of the ringbuffer was)

[08:27:30]

perlmonkey:

how do you flip it to a permanent recording

[08:27:42]

wagnerrp:

during the recording, just hit the record button

[08:28:05]

wagnerrp:

and it will store as far back as you have available, or to the beginning of the current show, whichever is more recent

[08:28:07]

perlmonkey:

can you do that at any time, like go back to a specific point and just hit record and have a permanent slice?

[08:28:40]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, ill have to look into that, never had a reason to do it myself

[08:28:52]

perlmonkey:

and what happens after you hit record if you use jump forward and pause etc, will that effect the recording or will it just continue recording as normal

[08:29:10]

wagnerrp:

timeshifting within a recording has no impact

[08:29:15]

perlmonkey:

cool

[08:29:28]

wagnerrp:

only exiting livetv, or changing the channel will terminate the recording

[08:29:52]

perlmonkey:

theres so much to learn/try on mythtv, i feel ive barely scratched the surface with it

[08:30:09]

perlmonkey:

ok

[08:31:23]

perlmonkey:

my mythtv backend gets its video source presently from my cable box via my hdd recorder

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[08:31:37]

perlmonkey:

so livetv is being recorded/encoded twice

[08:31:44]

wagnerrp:

if you want to store a recording after the fact, just go into recorded programs, remove the livetv filter, hit 'right', storage options, preserve this episode

[08:32:03]

perlmonkey:

woah thats what ive been trying to do

[08:32:14]

wagnerrp:

livetv is recorded once

[08:32:25]

wagnerrp:

if you have digital, or an mpeg encoder, its merely a stream capture

[08:32:31]

** perlmonkey tries it and fires up frontend **

[08:32:34]

wagnerrp:

if you have a framegrabber, it is encoded once, on record

[08:33:09]

perlmonkey:

ok this is odd

[08:33:10]

wagnerrp:

whatever happens before that video gets to mythtv is outside of myth's control

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wagnerrp:

246GB free... ill have to grab another hard drive soon with seasons starting back up

[08:34:04]

perlmonkey:

I'm not seeing my recorded livetv in Previously Recorded, probably as it was not a scheduled recording right? yet the livetv is recording is showing under Watch Recordings

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wagnerrp:

wrong area, your in 'manage recordings'

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perlmonkey:

ah

[08:34:48]

wagnerrp:

you want media library, watch recordings

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perlmonkey:

ok got it

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perlmonkey:

how to make it store now...hmm remove livetv filter you say

[08:35:18]

wagnerrp:

then hit 'm', change group filter, all programs

[08:35:40]

wagnerrp:

then select the video you want, hit right to go into the options menu

[08:35:58]

wagnerrp:

storage options, preserve this episode

[08:36:29]

perlmonkey:

damn i got no storage options, just says auto expire, change recording group/playback group

[08:36:38]

perlmonkey:

insufficient space maybe?

[08:37:00]

wagnerrp:

cant be, its already stored on your hard drive

[08:37:12]

wagnerrp:

youre just flipping some tag in the database

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perlmonkey:

phew

[08:37:15]

wagnerrp:

and im off to sleep

[08:37:23]

perlmonkey:

i went through it all again and now i got storage options

[08:37:30]

perlmonkey:

many thanks! im gonna write down that procedure

[08:37:50]

perlmonkey:

thats another tick for mythtv and cross for hdd recorder

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perlmonkey:

cant get no cam picture

[08:50:33]

perlmonkey:

this is not logical

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amrit|zzz:

wagnerrp: btw, about my mythtv-setup and card list errors the other day – not sure what had happened there, but upgrading to 0.21 made it go away. back to working now, w/o any extra reconfig

[09:11:00]

amrit|zzz:

thanks, night

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foo8ar:

hi all,

[11:24:34]

foo8ar:

could anyone describe how myth is prioritizing program info from 1. EPG from the DVB source and 2. xmltv

[11:25:27]

foo8ar:

in my case the best source of info is xmltv however it seems that the DVB EPG overwrites data taken from xmltv

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academy:

I have xvid movies split over 2–3 CDs and have chained them so that after mythtv plays the first cd it automatically moves on to the second. I then marked cd2/3 as not browseable, yet they still appear in the video listings. How can I hide them?

[11:34:51]

directhex:

i think there's a "hide" setting in the file properties

[11:35:34]

perlmonkey:

hi

[11:35:58]

perlmonkey:

justinh it wasnt me

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academy:

directhex: yeah, it's set to no

[11:39:53]

justinh:

next up, filter settings. press M while in the current video view to see options

[11:41:18]

academy:

justinh: ahah thanks

[11:42:57]

justinh:

took me ages to find those settings

[11:43:20]

justinh:

if you want your preference to hide non-browsable files to be saved, set it as default

[11:44:48]

justinh:

xbmc is fairly smart about that – it rolls up multipart videos & shows you how many files there are, as well as letting you select different parts to play

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directhex:

you're saying nice things about xbmc?

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justinh:

it has its plus points, and it's on its way to being legitimate now

[11:48:21]

justinh:

as in.. can be used without stolen software

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perlmonkey:

does anyone know why a composite pal camera connected to a PVR-150 card on composite video in will not record proper video?

[11:49:10]

justinh:

always felt dirty seeking out the xbox binaries

[11:49:45]

justinh:

perlmonkey: because the user hasn't used v4l2ctl to force the card to select the composite input?

[11:50:01]

perlmonkey:

justinh: aha

[11:50:41]

perlmonkey:

but if i'm viewing that camera in mythtv do I need to use v41ctl still do that?

[11:51:11]

justinh:

wouldn't have thought so, but you didn't say you were using mythtv to do that

[11:51:28]

perlmonkey:

I thought just using C shortcut to switch source would be sufficient as I got composite and s-video setup in mythtv for that particular card

[11:51:35]

perlmonkey:

ok

[11:51:59]

justinh:

but then that depends on whether you've set up the ocmposite input of the card & associated it with a 'video source'

[11:52:28]

justinh:

if there's no source associated with an input, it ain't gonna switch to it

[11:52:39]

perlmonkey:

it does display a picture but its either squashed into half the screen size and very flickery/lines, or sometimes it goes a perfect picture for a while and then some kind of overlap or ghosting occurs and theres two images

[11:52:40]

justinh:

and sources need at least one channel

[11:52:52]

justinh:

doesn't sound like a capture issue to me

[11:52:56]

justinh:

more like viddy drivers

[11:53:09]

perlmonkey:

well i verified the composite on the card and used video source from cable box and that does work fine

[11:53:20]

perlmonkey:

its just that damn camera, its like mythtv doesnt like it

[11:53:27]

justinh:

oh maybe the camera is NTSC

[11:54:03]

perlmonkey:

phew maybe you're right, it says on box PAL or NTSC maybe its locked onto NTSC

[11:54:21]

perlmonkey:

i did try the camera in my TV tho and it works just fine

[11:54:41]

justinh:

well duh, many modern TVs take NTSC up the rear without problems

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perlmonkey:

oh no the box does state this is a PAL camera receiver

[11:55:08]

perlmonkey:

its got a sticker on PAL

[11:55:15]

justinh:

plus, the quality of video signal out of those wireless cameras is worse than dubious

[11:55:25]

justinh:

in terms of sync levels etc...

[11:55:35]

perlmonkey:

its 803AP whatever that means, 300k censor, 200mW

[11:55:56]

justinh:

I tried capturing a wireless camera I bought from ebay – wasn't happening but it looked rock solid on the telly

[11:56:45]

perlmonkey:

interestingly if i use svideo on card and use an svideo out from my hdd recorder with the cameras receiver connected on composite the picture is MUCH improved in mythtv but still has some flicker or ghosting

[11:56:52]

perlmonkey:

strange

[11:57:06]

perlmonkey:

what do you think causes the problem? just weak electronics?

[11:57:10]

perlmonkey:

design i mean

[11:57:13]

justinh:

just a lame product

[11:57:17]

perlmonkey:

ok

[11:57:33]

perlmonkey:

i would of thought...

[11:57:41]

justinh:

cheap as they come electronic happy happy company Inc, Taiwan

[11:58:50]

perlmonkey:

if i had a perfect picture from my camera on hdd recorder thru TV (which I do) even if I record from camera on HDD recorder, then it should also be perfect on mythtv? its just playing back recorded video afterall not receiving live data from camera eh.. yet its just the same, crappy image on mythtv even from hdd recorded

[11:58:58]

perlmonkey:

i cant explain that it doesnt seem logical?

[11:59:50]

perlmonkey:

i can see a perfect image on HDD recorder at moment, even from recorded video...and on mythtv a crappy image even tho its recorded video playing thru svideo

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perlmonkey:

doesnt make sense

[12:00:20]

perlmonkey:

there is something about that video image that mythtv does not like it seems

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perlmonkey:

was it something i said

[12:05:14]

perlmonkey:

i can see myself but im out of sync with time

[12:05:23]

perlmonkey:

its surreal

[12:06:46]

perlmonkey:

a wise chinese man once said... answer to life problem, not find in bottom of bottle

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directhex:

no, that was homer simpson

[12:12:17]

directhex:

"The answers to life's problems aren't at the bottom of a bottle. They're on TV!"

[12:12:28]

perlmonkey:

haha

[12:12:36]

perlmonkey:

i just made that up

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laga:

i doubt that the chinese guy spoke in broken english

[12:13:03]

perlmonkey:

why dont they all

[12:14:01]

perlmonkey:

could of used a comma after why

[12:14:44]

perlmonkey:

i got a vintage bottle of wine on my desk here and im trying hard to resist opening it

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laga:

dont do it

[12:16:14]

perlmonkey:

something is really messed up with my camera

[12:16:16]

laga:

your headache will be terrible :)

[12:16:30]

perlmonkey:

phew tell me about it, im still recovering from yesterday from just 1 beer

[12:17:07]

perlmonkey:

my body just doesnt seem to be able to handle alcoholic drinks anymore

[12:17:57]

laga:

GreyFoxx: you did experiment with embedded mysql, right? were there any big problems? i've looked at some documentation and it looks easy enough

[12:18:02]

perlmonkey:

this is some weird stuff

[12:19:01]

perlmonkey:

I've come to the conclusion that this camera is sending too much data for mythtv to handle/process

[12:19:47]

perlmonkey:

or maybe it's just a pile of c**p

[12:20:10]

laga:

GreyFoxx: it might even be possible to keep using external databases even when linking against the embedded DB stuff

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perlmonkey:

let's try another capture card and then be done with it

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laga:

GreyFoxx: the embedded DB can't listen for remote connections, though. so we'd need a protocol to handle that ourselves or simply extend the mythprotocol

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perlmonkey:

laga why does GreyFoxx not reply

[12:26:01]

laga:

because he is asleep i guess

[12:26:08]

perlmonkey:

lazy fox

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perlmonkey:

my system seems a bit flakey

[12:27:40]

perlmonkey:

I click Watch TV, i get a black/blank screen, i cant change video source and it pretty much is unresponsive/cant be closed down

[12:28:19]

perlmonkey:

eventually it returns to the mythtv menu page by itself

[12:29:12]

perlmonkey:

seems to happen after changing any TV settings under mythtv settings

[12:30:26]

perlmonkey:

closing down frontend and restarting it has no effect and same behaviour is observed

[12:32:54]

perlmonkey:

closing down backend and restarting seems to fix it

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perlmonkey:

hmmm

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perlmonkey:

ok time to try plan B

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Solaris444:

oh no! I'll go in to withdrawal symptoms!

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dustybin:

perlmonkey: you sound like you in the same league as me and clever :-)

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perlmonkey:

hi there dustybin

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perlmonkey:

I'm not in your league I think you guys are more advanced

[13:31:07]

perlmonkey:

i gotta try some other capture cards with this camera because i'm at the end of my patience with it

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perlmonkey:

xenko technology "for more better life"

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dustybin:

perlmonkey: you need to speak to 'clever'. hes not called 'clever' for no reason...

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perlmonkey:

:D

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mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: run your mythfrontend with "-v all -l mythfrontend.log"

[13:57:48]

perlmonkey:

clever: come forth oh wise one, so that we may share in your great wisdom

[13:57:56]

perlmonkey:

mzb: ok

[13:58:01]

clever:

im trying to sleep

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perlmonkey:

oh sorry to disturb

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mzb_d800:

heh

[13:59:06]

perlmonkey:

ive just eaten some delicious double red leicester cheese

[13:59:34]

mzb_d800:

you can talk ... I've just ridden home on a push-bike after 7(?) hours of installing the M10K (make that 5mins to install ... rest was training)

[13:59:47]

mzb_d800:

and it's 23:58 now! doh!

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perlmonkey:

phew

[14:00:05]

perlmonkey:

mzb_d800 = clever

[14:00:13]

perlmonkey:

is it?

[14:00:13]

mzb_d800:

nah

[14:00:16]

perlmonkey:

oh

[14:00:38]

mzb_d800:

my O/C rating is higher than his ;))

[14:01:12]

mzb_d800:

apart from being on the other side of the planet :)

[14:01:21]

perlmonkey:

sheesh typical

[14:01:31]

perlmonkey:

now i got a perfect picture from my wifi cam again on mythtv

[14:01:37]

perlmonkey:

wont last long tho i bet

[14:02:35]

mzb_d800:

ssh into the box and tail the frontend log

[14:02:45]

perlmonkey:

ok will try

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perlmonkey:

hmm have no clue why but closing down frontend shutdown my X session, hasnt done that in a while

[14:04:53]

perlmonkey:

can you tell me that command line again for the logging for frontend?

[14:05:42]

GreyFoxx:

-l filename

[14:05:48]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[14:05:53]

GreyFoxx:

--help is your friend :)

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perlmonkey:

all seems fine at moment

[14:06:54]

perlmonkey:

camera picture has come up absolutely fine first time, oddly

[14:07:30]

perlmonkey:

will try changing video source and see if it remains stable

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rooaus:

hi

[14:07:58]

mzb_d800:

gday

[14:08:03]

zabbadapp:

easiest way from a frontend to "ping" and see if myth-backend is running? (not the server, but the actual myth-backend)

[14:08:12]

perlmonkey:

ok moving the camera has thrown it into chaos again, picture is all mashed up

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rooaus:

zabbadapp: You could try checking the status page: http://ip.of.back.end:6544

[14:09:40]

directhex:

visit bckendmachine on port 6544 with a wob browsarse, damn you rooaus

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perlmonkey:

http://pastebin.com/m617778d

[14:10:56]

perlmonkey:

thats my log

[14:11:08]

zabbadapp:

rooaus: Brilliant!

[14:12:11]

mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: I'd guess that you'd need to check that you've got w32 codecs installed, and forget about xvmc for a matrox card.

[14:12:13]

perlmonkey:

also plenty of this:

[14:12:15]

perlmonkey:

2008-09–24 15:10:21.551 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

[14:12:15]

perlmonkey:

2008-09–24 15:10:24.208 NVP: prebuffering pause

[14:12:38]

perlmonkey:

ok

[14:12:40]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... other issues

[14:12:58]

mzb_d800:

what speed is the machine?

[14:13:15]

mzb_d800:

(and is it doing anything else?)

[14:13:16]

perlmonkey:

the machine is P3–600Mhz with 1GB ram

[14:13:24]

mzb_d800:

heh

[14:13:26]

mzb_d800:

good luck

[14:13:39]

perlmonkey:

its running XFce4 and gaim, web browser thats all

[14:13:55]

mzb_d800:

get an nvidia card

[14:13:55]

perlmonkey:

mzb: live tv works fine tho, why not my camera?

[14:14:20]

perlmonkey:

i have nvidia fx5200 in my master backend, this is slave backend im running frontend on now

[14:14:28]

mzb_d800:

600MHz is really pushing it

[14:14:32]

perlmonkey:

ya

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mzb_d800:

(for mpeg2)

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mzb_d800:

I was using a p3–650 for a while ... and it was good ... to a point

[14:14:55]

perlmonkey:

im in process of building an AMD2 4000 backend

[14:15:05]

mzb_d800:

ended up running it at 866 (iirc)

[14:15:15]

perlmonkey:

you overclocked it?

[14:15:15]

mzb_d800:

(as FE only)

[14:15:28]

mzb_d800:

yep ... FSB=124 iirc

[14:15:31]

perlmonkey:

:D

[14:15:50]

mzb_d800:

now running a p3–1000 in it's place and considering replacing it with an EPIA M10K

[14:16:03]

perlmonkey:

this P3–600 is a SCSI HP workstation and still quite a nippy and capable machine

[14:16:06]

mzb_d800:

(the brother of the machine I just installed elsewhere)

[14:16:17]

perlmonkey:

oh wait

[14:16:30]

perlmonkey:

its P3–700 not 600 not that it makes a hell of a lot of difference

[14:16:32]

mzb_d800:

no way can the P3–1000 do mpeg2 playback at 5%/15% like the M10K can

[14:16:37]

perlmonkey:

P3–733

[14:16:45]

mzb_d800:

fsb=133?

[14:16:49]

perlmonkey:

ya

[14:16:57]

mzb_d800:

hmm

[14:17:06]

mzb_d800:

probably why you've got as far as you have

[14:17:15]

perlmonkey:

i have a dual core motherboard here, 1.6Ghz

[14:17:36]

perlmonkey:

also a P4 2.4Ghz

[14:17:40]

mzb_d800:

have you setup /etc/security/limits.conf ?

[14:17:47]

perlmonkey:

nothing

[14:17:51]

mzb_d800:

(and why aren't you using those?)

[14:17:58]

perlmonkey:

i dunno :-/

[14:18:22]

perlmonkey:

I got that dual core to build a mythtv box but ran into problems with TV out

[14:18:26]

mzb_d800:

set your rtprio in limits.conf (ie: follow the wiki(?)/mythtv docs)

[14:18:34]

perlmonkey:

so i switched to AMD2 board which has HDMI

[14:18:48]

perlmonkey:

ok will do

[14:18:54]

mzb_d800:

and you've gone back to a 733 for what reason?

[14:19:04]

mzb_d800:

(other than insanity;))

[14:19:14]

perlmonkey:

im puzzled tho why all the video sources ive tried work absolutely fine, except for my camera

[14:19:34]

perlmonkey:

even using recorded video from the camera via my hdd recorder does not work, which seems most illogical since its just video

[14:19:35]

mzb_d800:

tail your FE + BE logs with verbosity++ !!!

[14:19:43]

mzb_d800:

they'll probably tell you why

[14:19:54]

perlmonkey:

haha

[14:20:10]

perlmonkey:

well i cannot part with my beloved HP workstation, even tho its old i like it

[14:20:11]

mzb_d800:

wondering about it isn't going to help (unless you majored in philosophy;)

[14:20:31]

perlmonkey:

they dont make em like this anymore, hell this was made in Europe/France

[14:20:39]

perlmonkey:

how many puters can you say that of today

[14:20:57]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... sit that next to my vax 4000/100 and you'll cry

[14:21:03]

perlmonkey:

:P

[14:21:19]

mzb_d800:

:)

[14:21:28]

perlmonkey:

I have a Dell Optiplex SX270 which is P4–2.5Ghz i mentioned, its so tiny not much bigger footprint as a laptop

[14:21:35]

perlmonkey:

no PCI tho so only good for frontend

[14:21:44]

mzb_d800:

agp?

[14:21:48]

perlmonkey:

ya

[14:22:09]

perlmonkey:

I think so, but not sure

[14:22:09]

mzb_d800:

so stick an fx5200 in it

[14:22:15]

perlmonkey:

i have done nothing with it so far

[14:22:22]

perlmonkey:

but it has no PCI slots

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mzb_d800:

A . G . P . :))

[14:22:44]

perlmonkey:

how does that work?

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mzb_d800:

if you have a PCI fx5200 and don't know what to do with it you can send it to me and I'll show you ;)

[14:23:42]

mzb_d800:

does it have an agp slot? (or ANY slots for that matter?)

[14:23:45]

perlmonkey:

that PCI FX5200 is installed in my other Dell box which is a P3–500 and is currently my master backend

[14:23:52]

perlmonkey:

i got that connected to TV

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perlmonkey:

mzb: the SX270 has no slots whatsoever

[14:24:19]

mzb_d800:

ok .. send that to me and I'll tell you where you're going wrong

[14:24:21]

perlmonkey:

its too small

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mzb_d800:

(jk)

[14:24:32]

perlmonkey:

:P

[14:24:36]

mzb_d800:

))

[14:24:43]

perlmonkey:

i dont rate the FX5200 I must say

[14:25:04]

mzb_d800:

to buy one here is still more than I'm prepared to pay

[14:25:07]

perlmonkey:

I think you could achieve just as good if not better video out using a circuit and scart lead

[14:25:12]

mzb_d800:

heh

[14:25:13]

perlmonkey:

for much less $

[14:25:25]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... but you get xvmc ... which can help

[14:25:31]

perlmonkey:

i got lucky and got mine off ebay for just £20

[14:25:37]

perlmonkey:

which is around $30 I think

[14:25:41]

mzb_d800:

and nv do have the advantage of making TV-out quite simple

[14:26:07]

perlmonkey:

yeah thats why i decided to get that and cuz i'd seen it recommended for mythtv

[14:26:21]

perlmonkey:

but the quality of the video out on tv is nothing to write home about

[14:26:41]

mzb_d800:

put that in au$ and I'm still not interested ... can by PCI fx5600 new for ~au$50 off ebay ... far too expensive

[14:26:48]

perlmonkey:

and now you got motherboards with HDMI chipsets eh, so why bother

[14:27:10]

perlmonkey:

too much

[14:27:15]

mzb_d800:

yeah .... depends on what screen you're using and how good your eyes are

[14:27:24]

perlmonkey:

the whole idea of doing mythtv is do things on a shoestring budget eh

[14:27:27]

mzb_d800:

(or your ${WOMAN}'s eyes;)

[14:27:43]

perlmonkey:

once you start shelling out hundreds of dollars you may as well buy a commercial hdd recorder for $100 bucks

[14:27:48]

mzb_d800:

I built my first mythtv setup (BE+FE+FE) for au$70

[14:27:55]

mzb_d800:

nope

[14:28:12]

perlmonkey:

i actually did that (bought a commercial hdd recorder) just to compare to mythtv

[14:28:31]

mzb_d800:

having just installed a combined BE+FE for someone they perfectly understand the difference between what they have now and a hdd recorder

[14:28:50]

mzb_d800:

miles apart

[14:29:13]

perlmonkey:

i think I did mine for nearly same cost, the GX240 Dell machine cost me £35 and the the FX200 £20, and PVR-150 £18

[14:29:24]

mzb_d800:

like comparing apples to ... umm ... apple crumble dessert

[14:29:28]

perlmonkey:

:D

[14:29:43]

perlmonkey:

ive nearly finished my comparison and pros and cons on both

[14:29:51]

mzb_d800:

related in a way ... but the end result is 100000% better

[14:30:01]

mzb_d800:

(assuming you like cooked fruit;)

[14:30:08]

perlmonkey:

theres a lot to be gained from commercial hdd recorders, for convenience and ease of use, but they lack the flexibility of course

[14:30:40]

mzb_d800:

and not upgradeable

[14:30:42]

perlmonkey:

the hdd recorder i got is a JVC 250GB which cost me £90

[14:31:10]

mzb_d800:

and you consider I decked out my whole house with mythtv for less than that?

[14:31:25]

mzb_d800:

s/you/just

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perlmonkey:

the main things which suck: doesnt read cds (only dvd and is very fussy about what sort and from where), cant record livetv past the event.. slow to dub/record dvds, slow to start/boot

[14:31:53]

perlmonkey:

ya

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... hard to record shows in the future ;)

[14:32:54]

perlmonkey:

good things: very good gui, very slick and easy to use.. loads of video inputs and outputs, lots of encoding options to maximise recording options

[14:33:03]

perlmonkey:

hehe i mean in the past..

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mzb_d800:

seriously though ... I'm using two GX150's (one is SFF) as FE's

[14:33:20]

perlmonkey:

like with mythtv you can jump back and record some show from livetv eh, but on a commercial hdd recorder you cant

[14:33:33]

perlmonkey:

woah

[14:33:46]

perlmonkey:

my master backend is actually a GX150 not a GX240

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mzb_d800:

one cost me au$80 (SFF post inc), and the other was au$30 (desktop post inc)

[14:34:06]

perlmonkey:

I really like that GX150 it seemed the ideal choice for mythtv machine

[14:34:08]

mzb_d800:

s/desktop/desktop barebones

[14:34:19]

perlmonkey:

it fits nicely under the TV on a shelf eh

[14:34:28]

mzb_d800:

SFF is ok ... if you put an NV card in it

[14:34:35]

perlmonkey:

yeah like i have

[14:34:50]

perlmonkey:

for a small machine its ok for slot space

[14:35:02]

perlmonkey:

runs silently too, does yours?

[14:35:27]

mzb_d800:

I have my gx150 SFF stuffed under the bedroom floorboards with svideo to tv on top of the cupboard and controlled by IR

[14:35:32]

perlmonkey:

good PSU's and low noise fans used by Dell often

[14:35:54]

mzb_d800:

can barely hear it at full noise (~6am hdd)

[14:35:58]

perlmonkey:

one gripe tho about GX150 is the slimline CD/DVD and non-standard connectors etc

[14:36:06]

mzb_d800:

pfft

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perlmonkey:

slimline dvd rewriters = $$$

[14:37:04]

mzb_d800:

recently bought a slimline dvd burner for au$16 (delivered) ... and the seller sent au$5 worth of stamps to cover his "over quote of postage"

[14:37:12]

mzb_d800:

works fine

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perlmonkey:

and if you are unlucky to get the floppy module in your GX150 as i was, you gotta hunt down and pay $$$ for the optical drive bay module

[14:37:22]

mzb_d800:

-r, +r, cd, etc

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perlmonkey:

mzb you got a bargain

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mzb_d800:

I've paid twice that just for readers

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mzb_d800:

(dvd)

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perlmonkey:

im selling a bunch of slimline dvd rewriters at moment, and also some pvr 150s

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mzb_d800:

going to pay me by the minute? ;)

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clever:

mzb_d800: http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/

[14:38:24]

perlmonkey:

im clearing out all of my old stuff and making space

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clever:

mzb_d800: beware of dells with preinstalled windows

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mzb_d800:

yeah .. know the feeling ... recently sent 50 computers to their grave

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perlmonkey:

got a new sofa coming tmw and i need the room, too many boxes of hardware in my livingroom ;-)

[14:38:58]

perlmonkey:

phew

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perlmonkey:

clever: why

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clever:

perlmonkey: read the above link

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perlmonkey:

ok

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mzb_d800:

clever: looks like scare-mongering at first glance

[14:40:11]

clever:

it sounds like it replaces part of the name lookup layer for some automated searching

[14:40:16]

clever:

and breaks this opendns thing

[14:40:19]

mzb_d800:

(at this time of the night I don't have the patience to read it + 109 posts)

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clever:

i didnt read the replys yet:P

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perlmonkey:

thats only on new puters eh, wont effect me and mzb and are archiac machines :P

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mzb_d800:

oh ... so this is a WINDOWS problem? .... now I care even less

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perlmonkey:

*our

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mzb_d800:

:))

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clever:

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perlmonkey:

i never buy new hardware as a rule, i like only old stuff

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perlmonkey:

cheap as possible

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mzb_d800:

not like clever has a lot of new machines either ;)

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clever:

perlmonkey: old dell computers too:P

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perlmonkey:

im not too keen on Dell normally becuz they're in bed with Microsoft for the most part, but i do like their Optiplex SFF machines

[14:42:05]

** mzb_d800 believes that clever has a few ancient laptops breeding under his bed **

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perlmonkey:

haha

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clever:

mzb_d800: why yes, there is a naked 50mhz laptop under my bed

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mzb_d800:

:)

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clever:

striped of its covers and keyboard

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mzb_d800:

tart

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perlmonkey:

my laptop is a Toshiba Tecra 900 i love Toshiba for laptops

[14:42:51]

clever:

i have 3 toshiba laptops

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perlmonkey:

my server is also Toshiba tho and its proved very reliable

[14:42:58]

clever:

t2100 and something similar

[14:43:12]

perlmonkey:

woah thats an early one, gas plasma display?

[14:43:19]

clever:

lcd

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perlmonkey:

ok

[14:43:28]

clever:

ive torn the lcd appart down to its thin layers

[14:43:30]

clever:

and it still works

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perlmonkey:

im looking to buy the early T series with the orange gas plasma display

[14:43:43]

clever:

the hinge in the toshiba lcd panel is very solid compared to 2 of my dell ones

[14:43:55]

clever:

2 of the toshiba laptops are grey scale

[14:43:59]

clever:

the 3rd is COLOR!

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perlmonkey:

that was my first ever laptop a decade and a half ago and I wanted to find another

[14:44:08]

clever:

it was a new thing in LCD's back then

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perlmonkey:

ya those Toshiba laptops are so solid eh, also the early Tecra models

[14:44:29]

perlmonkey:

Satelite I mean

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clever:

the dell c600 and d600 are in poor shape

[14:44:41]

perlmonkey:

they can take a dropping

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clever:

the hinges are shot

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perlmonkey:

sucks

[14:45:02]

clever:

the t2100 has hit the floor ages ago

[14:45:03]

perlmonkey:

the hinges always go but never on Toshiba

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clever:

blew the harddrive

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** mzb_d800 hardly ever closes his d800 ;) **

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perlmonkey:

I had a HP Omnibook nice looking machine it was, but the hinges went

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clever:

mzb_d800: the hinges on my c600 are toast on 1 side so it doesnt tild well

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clever:

and the d600 are totaly gone, so theres nothing to hold the panel upright

[14:46:05]

perlmonkey:

HP workstations, Toshiba Laptops, for servers...Compaq/HP maybe

[14:46:23]

mzb_d800:

heard of Liquid Nails?

[14:46:26]

perlmonkey:

never

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clever:

the laptop slammed shut on my nise a few times

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clever:

nope

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perlmonkey:

phew

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clever:

nose*

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perlmonkey:

do you guys rate the IBM Thinkpads?

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perlmonkey:

I hate any hardware by IBM cuz it looks cheap and their design sucks, well from the outside anyway

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justinh:

cat $greeting > /dev/null

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clever:

i have a cf-25 panasonic touchbook

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clever:

very solid

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perlmonkey:

they always put those hideous brightly coloured IBM letters on the case which looks like kiddy preschool

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clever:

if you drop it on the floor

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clever:

you put a hole in the floor

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mzb_d800:

made (sold?) by a company called Selleys here .... but then Araldite Super Strength is probably better (if you drill and reinforce your joints with steel wire first)

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perlmonkey:

woah

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perlmonkey:

i have an antique laptop earlier a real pioneer ahead of its time it was

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clever:

mzb_d800: all the metal in my dell hinges are white metal, they tear appart

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perlmonkey:

its a Compaq Lite (true notebook with little lcd) 8086 cpu

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clever:

the toshiba and cf-25 are normal peices of steel bent in a press

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perlmonkey:

has 4 greyscale lcd

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mzb_d800:

get a 1.5mm drill and a pin vice ... drill holes, insert wire (coated with Araldite) .... etc.... repeat, rinse, etc

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perlmonkey:

not bad for 89/90 when everyone was still turning out big luggable laptops

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clever:

mzb_d800: there is a rod sticking out of the lcd panel, on the side of that is 2 small tabs

[14:50:08]

clever:

those go into a slot on the white metal

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mzb_d800:

drill it

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mzb_d800:

white metal == aluminium?

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clever:

the force on that slot has totaly shreded the white metal

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perlmonkey:

i missed a real gem on ebay not so long back, one of the FIRST laptops made by Apricot, now that really was ahead of its time, I think it was 1985 and it had voice recognition, cordless keyboard

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clever:

worse then aluminium :P

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justinh:

voice recognition, 1985 style. roflmao

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mzb_d800:

ah ... you mean a cast alloy

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perlmonkey:

:D

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clever:

i could probly flatten the metal by hand with a hammer

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mzb_d800:

still doable

[14:51:13]

perlmonkey:

justinh dude that laptop was waaay ahead of the market and that was a british computer

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mzb_d800:

no ... cast alloy will not spread

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clever:

mzb_d800: it feels like its spreading out of the way of the hinge as it tears appart

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justinh:

we brits haven't made anything since bakelite was in regular use

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** mzb_d800 exits from british conversation **

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perlmonkey:

you dont see those come up for auction often but i saw 2 on ebay within 1 month

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justinh:

morons payinh £400 for a bloody commodore PET these days ffs

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justinh:

what price nostalgia?

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clever:

i have a pair of c64's!

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perlmonkey:

ya they old puter tech is becoming ever more valuable and collectable

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justinh:

in keeping with today's topic of really shite hardware

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perlmonkey:

stuff like sinclair spectrum tho etc i dont see the point those were mass produced and so many around still

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clever:

lets see if i can run mythtv on the c64!

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

clever see if you run mythtv on my collection of ancient casio pocket PC's

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clever:

2008-09–24 11:53:47.267 read <- 61 21 QUERY_RECORDINGS Play

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clever:

2008-09–24 11:53:50.568 write -> 61 377883 694[]:[]Daily Planet[]:[]Goes to India 4[]:[]Perfect cricket pitc...

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clever:

ummm, thats 369kbyte of reply

[14:54:29]

clever:

the c64 can only address 64kbyte without memory mapping at the hardware level

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clever:

this will take alot of work.....

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perlmonkey:

that was the same problem on spectrum 48k wasnt it?

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perlmonkey:

i remember those came out with 16k originally and they sold a memory upgrade but it required opening the case and soldering

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justinh:

most 8-bit CPUs had issues addressing more than 64k in one go

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clever:

the address bus exiting the cpu is only 16 bits wide

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clever:

and the way the memory is mapped with multiplexers and chip select lines, duplicates some stuff and leaves large gaps

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perlmonkey:

basically it sucks

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clever:

though you can add a memory expanding cartridge

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clever:

you would have to redo half the board to get the entire 64k used

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** perlmonkey hands clever a Cassiopeia E200 with 32MB of ram **

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clever:

or swap out 90% of the io and rom's with a full bank of ram thru some hidden software switch

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clever:

my t2100 has ~20mb

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** justinh wonders what's going on in #mythtv-users **

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clever:

though libmythtv.so is 62mb...

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perlmonkey:

Cassiopeia full colour LCD, windows CE embedded, CF slot, 32MB ram, infrared

[14:58:12]

perlmonkey:

could make a decent mythtv remote

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clever:

lol

[14:58:21]

perlmonkey:

:D

[14:58:30]

clever:

ive never gotten the ir ports to work under linux

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justinh:

some people have some bloody funny idea of 'decent' :)

[14:58:35]

clever:

they dont even seem to exist

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perlmonkey:

me either

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perlmonkey:

but i want to

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clever:

ive also disovered that 2 of my dells have smartcard readers

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clever:

insert a cc shaped card with a chip embeded in it under the pcmcia slot

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perlmonkey:

one sec im being polluted here

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perlmonkey:

builders smoking near my window

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justinh:

awwww

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perlmonkey:

clever which dells are those

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mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/dad- . . . -of-his-6809

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clever:

perlmonkey: d600 and d630

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perlmonkey:

oh those are laptops right

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clever:

yep

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perlmonkey:

I had the C series a while ago i sold a few

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justinh:

old hardware was great at the time, but now it's just lame. take that trip down memory lane & er.. yeah it reminds you of good times past but they have no place these days

[15:01:10]

clever:

though i havent been able to get the reader to even detect

[15:01:26]

perlmonkey:

Dell laptops are not the best for linux?

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perlmonkey:

hardware support is a bit hit and miss

[15:01:34]

clever:

the dells work fine under linux

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perlmonkey:

ok

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clever:

the ati card is a bit unstable with the old drivers on my c600

[15:01:57]

justinh:

hardware support in linux is hit & miss full stop

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clever:

if i went in and out of gui too much the system would often lock up solid with funky colors on the screen

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perlmonkey:

but more so on hardware made by uncooperative manufacturers who love windows

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clever:

the whole screen shifting thru the colors like your on drugs

[15:02:34]

perlmonkey:

and insist on using ATI chipsets

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clever:

the d630 has nvidia and can use Xv as a 3d texture

[15:02:52]

mzb_d800:

clever: what sort of drugs?

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clever:

mzb_d800: dont know, ive never actualy done any:P

[15:03:03]

perlmonkey:

drugs is drugs

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mzb_d800:

ah

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perlmonkey:

ive got some drugs but they're not bad drugs

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justinh:

is there going to be a day goes by when people don't talk about shit hardware?

[15:03:38]

perlmonkey:

probably not this year

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clever:

but the whole screen shifts thru the colors until the image is inverted

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clever:

spreading from the center out

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justinh:

not now

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mzb_d800:

justinh: like M10K's doing 5% mpeg2 playback? ;)

[15:04:06]

perlmonkey:

all hardware is shit to some degree

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justinh:

I think I preferred people witterring on about RAID all day :-\

[15:04:32]

clever:

perlmonkey: even my core2duo 1.8ghz is 'shit' when i throw a simple 264 recording from bbc at it:P

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mzb_d800:

:))

[15:04:49]

perlmonkey:

we can do raid if you like, i got a nice scsi raid-5 (soft)

[15:04:58]

laga:

clever: try the skiploop patch and janneg's ffmpeg resync

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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clever:

laga: i was using mplayer with skip loop=all and threads=2

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justinh:

I think I'll just fuck off & try not to ever come back. Yeah, tried that before too

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mzb_d800:

I'll give the M10K a rest then ... delivered it today and they seem happy.

[15:05:33]

perlmonkey:

heres hoping

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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perlmonkey:

he sucks

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perlmonkey:

what is M10K

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clever:

carefull, this place gets loged to a site he could be watching:P

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mzb_d800:

glad I didn't follow his advice about the M10K ;) (it's a VIA EPIA M10000)

[15:06:47]

perlmonkey:

VIA hardware, you like things small I guess

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mzb_d800:

+ cheap + prepaid + bonus

[15:07:30]

mzb_d800:

what customer wanted ... what he got ... does the job well

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perlmonkey:

so you got a little bonus

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clever:

http://spritesmods.com/?art=wtcluster

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mzb_d800:

cash + spare M10K + empty ITX case

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perlmonkey:

nice

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perlmonkey:

wish i had customers like that

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clever:

perlmonkey: that link it taking windows ce terminals and converting them to linux

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perlmonkey:

my mobile has infrared

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perlmonkey:

can i hook it up with my pocket PC's or Linux

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perlmonkey:

woah

[15:09:11]

perlmonkey:

just what i need

[15:09:20]

clever:

he made his own bios flashing box

[15:09:27]

clever:

its a rat nest of wiring

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perlmonkey:

pheew

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mzb_d800:

customer quote: "Best machines I've got have been made by you. Most reliable machine in the house is the one you built 6(?) years ago and it still burns CD's at full speed."

[15:09:39]

mzb_d800:

(p2–350)

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perlmonkey:

how cool is that

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perlmonkey:

i wanna build something up

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clever:

ive got linux booting on my cellphone!

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perlmonkey:

wow

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perlmonkey:

i wanna make a solar powered server

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clever:

though the audio driver is buggy and it cant use any of the cellphone features

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mzb_d800:

I also did both his laptops ... all his other machines fail in under 12mths

[15:10:52]

clever:

and if the thing goes to sleep, it enters a coma

[15:11:13]

mzb_d800:

clever: model?

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clever:

treo 650

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mzb_d800:

what are you running on it?

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clever:

opie with a kernel that was built seperately

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clever:

the modules dont match the kernel so they refuse to load

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mzb_d800:

"/whois mzb_d800"

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perlmonkey:

ive seen treo is recommended for porting to Linux

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mzb_d800:

talk to bluelighting

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clever:

i see your in #opie :P

[15:12:36]

clever:

and many handheld rooms

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clever:

[24 10:14:48] #handhelds unable to join channel (too many channels open)

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perlmonkey:

theres not enuff sun in UK to do anything solar

[15:13:02]

perlmonkey:

pity

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mzb_d800:

clever: and op in many of those

[15:13:20]

clever:

ive looked at the output and cost of a solar panel

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perlmonkey:

clever what did you find

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clever:

and did the math for the cost of the power and running a single laptop from it

[15:13:44]

mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: try a handheld ... what do you want the "server" to do?

[15:13:46]

clever:

it would take several years of using it to save the money you lost buying it

[15:14:12]

perlmonkey:

solar as a sole power source prolly is not too economical or realistic, but to charge the battery and act as immediate or backup power it could be useful?

[15:14:17]

mzb_d800:

eg: an h2200 with a broken screen takes nothing to run

[15:14:29]

mzb_d800:

(and can be bought dead cheap)

[15:14:30]

perlmonkey:

mzb_d800: maybe run a small webserver and do DNS or something

[15:14:46]

perlmonkey:

like a backup server when power goes down, kicks in and says, hey folks we're back soon

[15:15:04]

mzb_d800:

I used a headless h2200 as a wifi AP + bluetooth PAN bridge for > 1 year

[15:15:23]

clever:

perlmonkey: id need to still power my router which is a whole desktop to get that server visible

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perlmonkey:

:-/

[15:15:35]

clever:

enless the tiny thing does pppoe also

[15:15:47]

clever:

but my router is on a UPS anyway

[15:15:53]

clever:

though the modem isnt any more

[15:15:54]

perlmonkey:

i have a cable modem

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mzb_d800:

if that's all you want to do then get a half decent router and put openwrt on it ... run it off a cheap UPS for DAYS!

[15:16:07]

perlmonkey:

i would need a way to power that as well as server, it requires 12v

[15:16:26]

perlmonkey:

ok

[15:16:27]

mzb_d800:

I personally use/recommend WL-500GP (rev 1)

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perlmonkey:

is that D-link?

[15:16:40]

clever:

mzb_d800: a while ago the power half died

[15:16:40]

clever:

~60 volts ac

[15:16:48]

clever:

the laptop didnt care and continued to change fine

[15:16:52]

mzb_d800:

yuk

[15:16:55]

clever:

everything else screamed in pain

[15:16:59]

mzb_d800:

heh

[15:17:15]

perlmonkey:

i get frequent power outages here

[15:17:16]

clever:

i hooked a tv up to the ups and watched some

[15:17:19]

mzb_d800:

we had power failure a few days ago (big wind) ... lost a 22" LCD

[15:17:21]

perlmonkey:

it causes major probs for my server

[15:17:25]

clever:

but after the power was fully shutdown

[15:17:26]

clever:

the cable died

[15:17:31]

dustybin:

clever: have you given perlmonkey monkey some technical advise?

[15:17:34]

clever:

im guessing the signal amp's got shut off

[15:17:44]

mzb_d800:

dustybin: hard to tell ;)

[15:17:51]

** perlmonkey has received the wisdom from clever **

[15:17:56]

mzb_d800:

heh

[15:17:56]

dustybin:

:-)

[15:17:59]

clever:

but after an hour of no internet i couldnt taken it :P

[15:18:10]

clever:

so i hooked up the wifi router to the UPS

[15:18:16]

clever:

and got the wifi and inet back up

[15:18:17]

perlmonkey:

but a solution still seems far off

[15:18:24]

clever:

and sat in the total darkness with a laptop on wifi & irc

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clever:

laughing

[15:18:48]

clever:

but the laptop batery didnt last long

[15:18:54]

perlmonkey:

how long

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clever:

<1 hour

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mzb_d800:

yeah .. I think perlmonkey's original question got lost in the memorabilia

[15:19:03]

perlmonkey:

i had a toshiba satelite which could do 7 hours

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justinh:

what has the world come to?

[15:19:08]

clever:

which led to me running in runlevel 1 without the batery while hooked into the UPS

[15:19:14]

perlmonkey:

it had two batteries, a normal one and secondary battery module

[15:19:14]

clever:

and fearing every seek of the harddrive

[15:19:26]

clever:

if i heard the laptop drive seek, the ups would scream low batery

[15:20:01]

dustybin:

clever: is this your back yard: http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/image_full/inte . . . mputer-w.jpg

[15:20:10]

clever:

1 of my laptops can take the same batery type in either bay(batery in the cd bay)

[15:20:13]

perlmonkey:

well my camera refuses to work with mythtv and i dont know why,

[15:20:20]

perlmonkey:

its most illogical

[15:20:25]

clever:

but every other laptop needs a special module for the 2nd batery, or cant do it at all

[15:20:29]

dustybin:

clever: maybe your bedroom: http://img.hgtv.com/HGTV/2006/01/13/mso904_1b . . . om2_w609.jpg

[15:20:43]

perlmonkey:

does a camera produce more frames per second than normal TV?

[15:20:44]

mzb_d800:

why did I ever let that picture go? ;)

[15:20:58]

clever:

the bedroom somewhat:P

[15:21:03]

clever:

the backyard, nope

[15:21:09]

mzb_d800:

ah wait ... my chair is better ;)

[15:21:24]

clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/Backyard_new.JPG/_full_

[15:21:30]

clever:

notice the lack of computer hardware:P

[15:21:46]

mzb_d800:

brr

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iamlindoro_:

Only because city ordinances require it

[15:21:53]

justinh:

perlmonkey: it's not illogical. it's a piece of taiwanese junk producing a gash video signal which your TVs just so happen to be happy with but your capture card isn't. no rocket science involved

[15:22:07]

perlmonkey:

justinh back so soon

[15:22:15]

justinh:

put it through a timebase corrector :)

[15:22:26]

dustybin:

ssh root@clever.mine.nu

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dustybin:

shit wrong window

[15:22:36]

mzb_d800:

heh

[15:22:39]

clever:

dustybin: ssh port needs to be knocked open first

[15:22:51]

clever:

and root is disabled on the system you get

[15:22:52]

perlmonkey:

so i must accept that the hardware is not good enough for mythtv and move on

[15:22:57]

clever:

http://www.holytaco.com/2008/09/23/worlds-mos . . . -in-houston/

[15:22:58]

dustybin:

</social.engineering>

[15:22:59]

perlmonkey:

is what you guys are saying

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justinh:

knowing it'd please people if I stay away only makes me want to come back

[15:23:04]

clever:

my house is nowhere near that bad:P

[15:23:12]

justinh:

I'm just trollish that way

[15:23:25]

mzb_d800:

it is not ... but it's fair to say that justinh has experience

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iamlindoro_:

It's okay, justinh. I like you.

[15:23:42]

iamlindoro_:

You are the clever to my dustybin

[15:23:42]

perlmonkey:

he has the experience

[15:24:07]

perlmonkey:

but i have the camera and the will

[15:24:27]

perlmonkey:

i will try it with other capture cards

[15:24:30]

mzb_d800:

your interpretation of his response is another matter ... take it as you will

[15:24:34]

justinh:

perlmonkey: if you have one of them ancient video 'copy enhancer' boxes give it a whizz through that

[15:24:54]

justinh:

btw you're not doing anything silly like splitting the video cable to 2 devices at the same time are you?

[15:24:56]

dustybin:

clever: now i know you dont have root access via ssh, ill now try some user names

[15:24:56]

perlmonkey:

i dont have one :(

[15:25:23]

justinh:

cos you can't do that with video signals terminated at 75 Ohms

[15:25:43]

dustybin:

ssh clever@clever.mine.nu

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perlmonkey:

i have composite out from the cameras receiver into the composite in on PVR150, and the audio is going thru my hdd recorder

[15:25:49]

iamlindoro_:

watching dustybin try to hack is like watching a fruit fly try to do calculus.

[15:25:55]

dustybin:

:P

[15:25:58]

clever:

dustybin: valid username, but you still need to knock before your tcp SYN even makes it thru

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mzb_d800:

heh

[15:26:14]

dustybin:

</social.engineering> <-- we are getting there :-)

[15:26:35]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: you mean it's not like in films where somebody types a command like "get root access on government server" ? :-O

[15:26:37]

iamlindoro_:

The first word in that requires that you have social skills

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** mzb_d800 does "knock knock" on clever's excuse for a firewall ;) **

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mzb_d800:

(jk)

[15:26:50]

perlmonkey:

justinh: for a moment earlier the camera worked fine when i started up frontend, then i moved the camera and it went mental again

[15:26:50]

dustybin:

so now i know his ssh username is clever and ill need to knock TCP SYN before i make it through

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Gimme six seconds, gotta hack NASA

[15:27:11]

clever:

so it could be a combination of 10 ports

[15:27:11]

dustybin:

clever: what is your pets name?

[15:27:22]

clever:

do you even know what port knocking is:P

[15:27:23]

justinh:

perlmonkey: yeah still sounds like it's got a crufty output

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perlmonkey:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

C'mon, he may be a weirdo, but he's not Sarah Palin

[15:27:44]

iamlindoro_:

you won't get in with his postal code

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perlmonkey:

maybe its not worth trying other cards too much, i will try it on a new dvb card i got which is a hybrid with analog too

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iamlindoro_:

clever: of course he doesn't

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perlmonkey:

but if that fails im done with this camera

[15:28:16]

iamlindoro_:

look at the way he talked about it in the last sentence

[15:28:43]

justinh:

clever's password has to be at least 32 chars long. he goes about everything else the longest & hardest way

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justinh:

;)

[15:28:59]

iamlindoro_:

Including characters that don't appear on the keyboard

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mzb_d800:

cleverssupersecretpassword ?

[15:29:41]

perlmonkey:

he will use hexadecimal and he remembers it too

[15:29:55]

justinh:

come the holocaust of WW3, or the civil war we'll need people like him to work the only surviving hardware :)

[15:30:17]

perlmonkey:

i smell

[15:30:22]

iamlindoro_:

yes, you do

[15:30:23]

mzb_d800:

pedal power and ticker tape

[15:30:28]

iamlindoro_:

levers, pulleys

[15:30:33]

perlmonkey:

thats what happens when you eat cheese

[15:30:53]

** mzb_d800 get's a cheese craving (etc) **

[15:31:26]

perlmonkey:

my camera is working again

[15:32:05]

perlmonkey:

as long as nobody breathes near it should be ok

[15:32:42]

iamlindoro_:

Remember when the people who wanted to do things the simple, elegant, efficient way outnumbered the spooky weirdos in this channel?

[15:33:04]

** mzb_d800 discovers chicken stir-fry in the microwave **

[15:33:10]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah. it was only last weekend, too

[15:33:35]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: And yet it feels like years ago

[15:33:36]

perlmonkey:

well guys thanks for all your help and technical assistance

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perlmonkey:

with what has turned out to be a crappy hardware problem

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mzb_d800:

(assumed not proven)

[15:34:27]

justinh:

get a real wireless camera.. as in wifi, not made it up on the bag of a cig packet in Taiwan wireless ;)

[15:34:33]

justinh:

s/bag/back

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perlmonkey:

fit for purpose it is not, but then those chinese people did not reckon on some clever ass hooking their camera up to a puter in Linux

[15:35:00]

mzb_d800:

perlmonkey == clever ??

[15:35:01]

perlmonkey:

justinh: it *is* wifi, its 1.2Ghz

[15:35:21]

justinh:

I once ordered a wireless camera for about £50 whichh came with both USB & a video output. My account was never charged & it never came :(

[15:35:22]

** mzb_d800 get's confused about nicks in #mythtv ;) **

[15:35:40]

justinh:

by 'wifi' I mean it sends the pictures as data

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perlmonkey:

perlmonkey is not clever

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: perlmonkey == clever == dustybin == aspergers == agorophobia

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clever:

stfu!

[15:36:08]

dustybin:

clever: ive found a remote buffer overflow exploit for GallerPy 0.7.0

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justinh:

and when I say 'data' I mean it appears as a wireless device on a network

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clever:

dustybin: details:P

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dustybin:

(only joking :P)

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: gee ... talk about split personality!

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Hang around. It's only one personality. A weird one.

[15:36:50]

perlmonkey:

justinh that would cost a fortune

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justinh:

those are getting pretty cheap these days. keep seeing them pop up on hotukdeals for under a ton

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mzb_d800:

that could explain a few things ;)

[15:37:28]

justinh:

640x480 but effectively better res than the crap cheap 'wireless' cameras sold in their millions

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perlmonkey:

i would consider just using a wired camera but its not too practical really

[15:37:58]

perlmonkey:

my camera has to be cited in the kitchen

[15:38:10]

dustybin:

640x480 is near enough PAL resolution, not too bad

[15:38:13]

justinh:

I made my own baluns & send power & video over cat5 :)

[15:38:17]

iamlindoro_:

I will give clever credit, however, as he is not dumb. That sets him apart from the rest I suppose.

[15:38:19]

perlmonkey:

besides ive heard USB cameras arent too great in Linux anyway

[15:38:41]

justinh:

usb cameras will generally work as v4l devices – depends on the controller of course

[15:39:02]

justinh:

any logitech clone (and bet your life there are zillions of em) just works (tm)

[15:39:10]

iamlindoro_:

there you go, clever, you got a compliment out of me ;)

[15:39:13]

perlmonkey:

i got a couple of usb cameras might try that route then and build a small machine that uses wifi

[15:39:14]

clever:

lol

[15:39:37]

clever:

justinh: my usb camera works as a v4l device, but makes mythbackend implode on itself

[15:39:50]

clever:

took a week to delete that recording

[15:39:53]

dustybin:

my cable for the frontend didnt turn up :-(

[15:39:56]

perlmonkey:

phew

[15:39:57]

justinh:

I've never said clever isn't clever.. he just does very convoluted stuff that seems strange to some people

[15:39:57]

iamlindoro_:

I have a great usb webcam... I would never dream of using it with Myth, though

[15:40:09]

mzb_d800:

zoneminder?

[15:40:17]

iamlindoro_:

mjpg_streamer works quite well for my purposes

[15:40:17]

mzb_d800:

(remove IR filter)

[15:40:19]

perlmonkey:

usb cam + mythtv? that seems odd

[15:40:32]

dustybin:

i use a logitech quickcam pro with zoneminder, outputs 640x480, its ace

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justinh:

perlmonkey: usb camera + zoneminder server + mythzoneminder

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justinh:

;)

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mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: zoneminder

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clever:

perlmonkey: i added it under its own fake channel so i could do something like bring it up on live tv

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perlmonkey:

ya thats better

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perlmonkey:

oh

[15:41:17]

** perlmonkey sources a logitech quickcam pro **

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perlmonkey:

i remember using an early logitech usb cam in 90s and it was very good, i had it updating to a webpage

[15:42:11]

perlmonkey:

i still have that camera but its not supported in linux

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mzb_d800:

I keep an eye out for cams under $10 just to see if I can use them ... just rip out the IR lens ;)

[15:42:42]

clever:

my other usb camera is working together with my channel changer

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mzb_d800:

($10 inc post that is!)

[15:42:58]

clever:

the computer snaps a pic of the STB and then i can check to see if its on the right channel

[15:43:05]

perlmonkey:

my camera i just bought cost £4

[15:43:05]

justinh:

I've got a logitech quickcam clone. first time I ever opened tvtime in ubuntu to check a tuner card I was messing with, I saw what was behind my desk displayed onscreen

[15:43:12]

perlmonkey:

it works out of the box in Linux

[15:43:18]

justinh:

I didn't realise the cam was still plugged in

[15:43:21]

mzb_d800:

clever: your eyes don't work either?

[15:43:28]

clever:

mzb_d800: the stb is downstairs

[15:43:34]

perlmonkey:

but the picture quality is not as sharp and good as Logitech

[15:43:56]

mzb_d800:

prob. better than mirrors then ;)

[15:44:19]

clever:

mzb_d800: this was back when lirc shit itself and i had no channel changing

[15:44:25]

mzb_d800:

ah

[15:44:28]

clever:

the computer would yell out a number from a set of speakers

[15:44:36]

clever:

then id check the jpg to see if it was on the right onw

[15:44:43]

mzb_d800:

lol

[15:44:43]

clever:

then maybe run down and punch it in

[15:44:46]

perlmonkey:

do you guys use the electronic voice prog in Linux

[15:44:55]

perlmonkey:

festival?

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[15:45:04]

perlmonkey:

or espeak

[15:45:05]

clever:

yes its a festival based script

[15:45:07]

mzb_d800:

sounds like a $200 solution to a $10 problem ;)

[15:45:08]

clever:

text2wav i think

[15:45:15]

mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: cepestral

[15:45:19]

mzb_d800:

(spelling?)

[15:45:20]

clever:

mzb_d800: the hardware was fine, it was a software problem

[15:45:23]

mzb_d800:

ah

[15:45:26]

perlmonkey:

thats a new one

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clever:

and lately the computer has stoped yelling out numbers

[15:45:54]

perlmonkey:

why no significant movement in voice recognition soft in Linux such as the likes of ViaVoice

[15:46:12]

mzb_d800:

I have a special script for cepestral (not open source, or for sale) .... uses the free downloads

[15:46:13]

clever:

the .wav is fine

[15:46:15]

mzb_d800:

long story

[15:46:22]

perlmonkey:

even IBM donated their engine from via to Linux

[15:46:27]

perlmonkey:

but still nothing

[15:46:33]

mzb_d800:

sphinx?

[15:46:38]

perlmonkey:

is it?

[15:47:11]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26858298/

[15:47:17]

GreyFoxx:

That should be fun to watch :)

[15:47:28]

clever:

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1099:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC1D0p failed: Device or resource busy

[15:47:32]

clever:

aha!

[15:47:33]

perlmonkey:

i tried to interface my intercom system to Linux but got in trouble with the landlord

[15:47:35]

clever:

damn esd

[15:47:56]

perlmonkey:

i wanted festival to answer it

[15:48:15]

clever:

text2wave is some special festival script i have

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clever:

text2wave < channel.txt > channel.wav

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perlmonkey:

that comes packaged with festival right?

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clever:

does exactly what the name say:P

[15:48:39]

clever:

s

[15:48:42]

clever:

i think so

[15:48:49]

clever:

starts with this line

[15:48:50]

clever:

#!/usr/bin/festival --script

[15:49:00]

perlmonkey:

i like that program

[15:49:09]

mzb_d800:

"The government is providing two $40 coupons per household..." ... wtf? TV is an essential service?

[15:49:11]

perlmonkey:

it could be used to make phone calls I think with some minor work

[15:49:15]

clever:

seems to be full of lolcat gramer

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clever:

;;; Because this is a --script type file I has to explicitly

[15:49:22]

clever:

'i has' :P

[15:49:37]

perlmonkey:

mzb: oz?

[15:49:55]

mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: me = .tas.au

[15:50:23]

perlmonkey:

tasmania

[15:50:24]

mzb_d800:

quote was from GreyFoxx's link

[15:50:27]

mzb_d800:

yep

[15:50:29]

perlmonkey:

:D

[15:50:35]

perlmonkey:

captain cook was there

[15:50:40]

mzb_d800:

nope

[15:50:44]

mzb_d800:

never

[15:50:44]

perlmonkey:

i remember from history lessons at school

[15:50:47]

perlmonkey:

oh

[15:51:04]

mzb_d800:

he never went this far south

[15:51:09]

perlmonkey:

that was charted by british expedition tho

[15:51:23]

mzb_d800:

dutch first

[15:51:30]

perlmonkey:

such strange creatures and plants

[15:51:38]

mzb_d800:

"Van Diemen's Land"

[15:51:53]

mzb_d800:

(s/ie/ei ???)

[15:51:59]

perlmonkey:

tasmainian devil

[15:52:19]

perlmonkey:

the dutch were in australia long before the british came but they did nothing to colonise it really

[15:52:28]

perlmonkey:

the british laid claim to it

[15:52:38]

mzb_d800:

marsupials are a strange concept for ppl != .au

[15:52:49]

perlmonkey:

what is the tasmania devil like

[15:53:19]

perlmonkey:

a ground dwelling creature with spines and long snout?

[15:53:45]

mzb_d800:

like a super-large house cat that comes out at night, eats anything (hair, teeth, bones inc) and can bite through a mans arm.

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perlmonkey:

woah

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perlmonkey:

sounds fierce

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mzb_d800:

oughta hear them fighting over a carcass at night!

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perlmonkey:

has strange eyes that appear to glow

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perlmonkey:

wow

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perlmonkey:

a wild beast then by no means domesticated?

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mzb_d800:

not in the slightest

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perlmonkey:

like some wild birds and animals like squirrels are domesticated in the sense they eat food from humans and live near us

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justinh:

here we go – fished out the linky... expired now but it pops up from time to time: http://hotukdeals.com/item/246035/linksys-wir . . . oring-camer/

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mzb_d800:

(illegal + not "pet" material)

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perlmonkey:

what is the status of the devil is it protected under law or allowed to be killed

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perlmonkey:

i would like to bring a couple of those devils into UK and let them colonise it

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perlmonkey:

have you ever been to Wolf Creek

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mzb_d800:

used to be a good audio link on this page, iirc: http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/index.aspx?id=387

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** perlmonkey looks **

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mzb_d800:

but seems to have changed

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mzb_d800:

you'd never get them out of the state

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perlmonkey:

it looks like half cat and half bat

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perlmonkey:

its a bat cat

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mzb_d800:

yep ... audio still there .. but you've got no idea what a pack of devils sounds like

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perlmonkey:

it does indeed look fearsome

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mzb_d800:

(apart from the name)

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perlmonkey:

when did you first see one

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mzb_d800:

don't remember ... prob. not in the wil

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mzb_d800:

don't remember ... prob. not in the wild

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perlmonkey:

its at risk :(

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perlmonkey:

how far is Tasmania from the continent

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mzb_d800:

nah ... the most that humans normally see of them is when they're scavenging road-kill

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

few hundred km

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perlmonkey:

phew quite far

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perlmonkey:

and how many people live there?

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mzb_d800:

< 1/2 million

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fignuts:

too many!

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perlmonkey:

like a small city

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justinh:

wow that WVC54GCA is cheap, considering a) it's wireless b) it has audio and c) costs about the same as the shite cctv cameras maplin sell

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mzb_d800:

heh

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perlmonkey:

justinh: how cheap is cheap

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justinh:

less than 40 quid

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perlmonkey:

woah i gotta get that

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justinh:

back in stock on oct 06

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perlmonkey:

i paid £30 for this wifi camera

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wagnerrp:

no.... you dont have to get that

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justinh:

and it isn't even wifi ;)

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perlmonkey:

linksys is a name to be reckoned with eh

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perlmonkey:

wagnerrp what then?

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wagnerrp:

i tried one of those briefly, its a piece of shit

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perlmonkey:

oh

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mzb_d800:

fignuts: aging population ==> declining (ie: automatic population control)

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justinh:

what's up with it?

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wagnerrp:

video quality is not that good

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fignuts:

it'll take a long time to come down to a comfortable < 100,000

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wagnerrp:

but it has absolutely no low light performance

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justinh:

5 lux

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fignuts:

i like bigger cities, i just hate traffic

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

wagnerrp: low light performance is overrated

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perlmonkey:

mzb is it true that captain cook thought australia was much smaller originally and didnt know half of it existed until later trip?

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wagnerrp:

turn the lights out in a room, and the sunlight coming in from an open window is no enough to even see shapes

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wagnerrp:

in midday

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justinh:

wagnerrp: like most cctv cameras of that price range then :)

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wagnerrp:

probably

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perlmonkey:

low light is a real problem with most cameras eh

[16:06:12]

wagnerrp:

you get what you pay for

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mzb_d800:

perlmonkey: you'd better google for his spirit guide for an answer to that one.

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justinh:

wonder if it's possible to put a better module on there...

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justinh:

lots of cmos modules have identical pinouts/protocol

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wagnerrp:

the software wasnt bad for how much it cost

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fignuts:

places like bgmicro and electronic goldmine sometimes have cheap cameras

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mzb_d800:

remove the IR filter

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wagnerrp:

but the sensor was complete shit

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mzb_d800:

remove the IR filter

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perlmonkey:

wagnerrp when you say shit, do you mean totally or just for some specific application/usage?

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mzb_d800:

(and replace with a square of exposed camera film)

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wagnerrp:

i mean you could use it as a webcam with the lights on

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justinh:

5 lux. pretty useless for indoors or anything but broad daylight I'd say

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perlmonkey:

i dont need nothing fancy really, just a camera for daytime usage to monitor my driveway for deliveries etc

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wagnerrp:

turn the lights on, and no amount of ambient light is going to give you a good image

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perlmonkey:

but night vision would be a bonus i guess

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wagnerrp:

dim the lights, same problem

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justinh:

got any sample images?

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mzb_d800:

have any of you actually taken one of these cameras apart?

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perlmonkey:

never

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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mzb_d800:

have you worked out that most of them have a small coated piece of glass in front of the sensor that filters the IR?

[16:09:03]

perlmonkey:

what i did tho was take a pair of binoculars apart and use the lenses against the wifi camera lense to get EXTREME close up zoom

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perlmonkey:

worked pretty good

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wagnerrp:

my grandpa has alzheimers, 24-hr home care

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wagnerrp:

we were testing it to put in his bedroom

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mzb_d800:

remove that piece of glass and replace it with a piece of exposed camera film ... ==> night vision

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wagnerrp:

i only fooled around with it for about an hour before deciding it was worthless (for our purpose)

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perlmonkey:

mzb: woah

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wagnerrp:

perlmonkey: camera film only captures visible light, letting the near-IR pas through to the sensor

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perlmonkey:

i purchased an old camcorder (panasonic slimline palmcorder) which does super sharp images thru mythtv on composite even tho its old analog thing

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perlmonkey:

it has 20x zoom also

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wagnerrp:

if you're guaranteed plently of light, give it a try, make sure the place you buy it from has a decent return policy

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, dont bother

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perlmonkey:

but its too obvious/bulky for going on windowsil for security camera

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perlmonkey:

mores the pity

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wagnerrp:

also, it only supports WEP, no WPA

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perlmonkey:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

yeah, yeah... the specs claim WPA, you go into the software and there is a WPA mode, but it doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

its a known issue, and unless theyve fixed it in the last 6mo or so (after not fixing it for years previous), its still a problem

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perlmonkey:

we must experiment further then to find the right camera

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justinh:

http://www.ultratech.us/img/cam2.jpg – seen MUCH worse cctv pics than this used as evidence

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perlmonkey:

seriously tho im tempted by that linksys

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justinh:

btw that is said linksys camera

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perlmonkey:

maybe it can do the job

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perlmonkey:

thats a damn fine image see

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perlmonkey:

far better than my wifi camera

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perlmonkey:

ok maybe about the same

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perlmonkey:

in good light at that distance

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perlmonkey:

these cameras seldom have good lenses for long distance like 50m eh

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perlmonkey:

thats where a proper cctv camera comes in

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mzb_d800:

I'd like a pellet gun with face recognition but I know I can't buy such a thing ;)

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perlmonkey:

haha

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justinh:

you can't cover something 50m away with one camera without an operator

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mzb_d800:

so I have a plan ... you can get the idea from previous comments ;)

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perlmonkey:

justinh my wifi camera gives a reasonable picture at 50m or more of the close, i can recognise people but not see detail on faces etc

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some yearly tournament for automated airsoft turrets?

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perlmonkey:

it also has remarkably good audio at that distance, you can hear a conversation just about if they are talking loud

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wagnerrp:

they have to hit so many targets in the least amount of time

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mzb_d800:

difference between sending bailiff around with warrant compared to sending the boys around with baseball bats?

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perlmonkey:

send the boys round

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perlmonkey:

deliver message

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mzb_d800:

so by that theory, as long as your camera is good enough you'll be right ... even though you can't prove it in court

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mzb_d800:

all comes down to what you want as an outcome

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mzb_d800:

(I guess)

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justinh:

gonna get one of them cameras myself. play with ZM for a bit

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mzb_d800:

pity booby traps are illegal ;)

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justinh:

if it's shite I'll just offload it on ebay. love how fools pay for stuff on there :)

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perlmonkey:

justinh do you have thugs outside your home

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wagnerrp:

mzb_d800: doesnt mean people dont build them

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mzb_d800:

cough

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justinh:

perlmonkey: we had thugs come in our home after looking at our cameras, at 5.15 on a february morning

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perlmonkey:

i have hoodie infestation outside my place

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perlmonkey:

woah

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mzb_d800:

chlorine and brake fluid come to mind

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perlmonkey:

you need security then

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justinh:

2 of them. took my fckin car keys

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wagnerrp:

i usually hear once every year or two, some old man getting taken out by their own booby traps

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wagnerrp:

and then the police taking weeks with specialists to find and dismantle them all

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justinh:

no longer keep anything easily stolen downstairs at night

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perlmonkey:

what kind of weapons do you keep

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justinh:

that'd be telling

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perlmonkey:

that must make you uneasy i would hate that someone entering your home

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perlmonkey:

I keep a BB-shot repeater gun

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wagnerrp:

oh, he doesnt keep weapons

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mzb_d800:

maybe you could flood the ground floor overnight? that'd solve a few problems ;)

[16:22:54]

perlmonkey:

he keeps ill-will i bet

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wagnerrp:

he just nukes from orbit.... just be be sure

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justinh:

I just live in hope that running at them naked will scare them away

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perlmonkey:

haha

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justinh:

according to the timestamps on the cctv I missed them by 30 seconds

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mzb_d800:

glove gun with a laser sight does me

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perlmonkey:

do your kung fu shit on them

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perlmonkey:

they will run off

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wagnerrp:

theyll run off, with your shit in-hand

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perlmonkey:

you even captured them on CCTV?? and did the cops see that and what did they say?

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justinh:

first instinct would be to barricade the bedroom door & ring the police

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mzb_d800:

if the laser doesn't scare them off, the fishing sinker in their arse will

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justinh:

perlmonkey: yeah. they saw the cameras, pointed at them & came around the rear of the house anyway

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perlmonkey:

they did not fear being identified then

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justinh:

nope

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perlmonkey:

how old do you say they were

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justinh:

early-mid 20s

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perlmonkey:

if they took your car keys they were stealing cars to order most likely?

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justinh:

I've considered starting a rogue's gallery where people can post pictures of perps but I think there might be safety issues there

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perlmonkey:

thats a real good idea you should do it

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justinh:

perlmonkey: a seat leon? ROFLMAO

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mzb_d800:

"gee bruv ... look ... this guy can afford pretty cameras outside ... wonder what's inside?"

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perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

but they took his car keys and nothing else eh

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perlmonkey:

its like a premeditated crime

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GreyFoxx:

Or a joy ride :)

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justinh:

cleaned out my coat, took my wife's handbag. the car was a consolation prize

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GreyFoxx:

grab easy stuff and take the car

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perlmonkey:

but did not rob your home in general or take anything big?

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justinh:

car turned up burned out 3 weeks later

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perlmonkey:

joy riders

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justinh:

they were after whatever they could carry, hence going in the livingroom

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perlmonkey:

thats strange tho entering a house for keys

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perlmonkey:

those guys usually just hot wire it

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justinh:

perlmonkey: you can't hotwire cars these days man

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perlmonkey:

maybe they just wanted to rob and get cash and saw the keys as an after thought

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perlmonkey:

it wasnt the primary motive

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wagnerrp:

the keys are chipped anymore

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justinh:

easier to smash the front door in & get the homeowner to hand them over

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perlmonkey:

oh

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wagnerrp:

no signal from the chip in the key, the efi computer shuts down

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perlmonkey:

justin can you think of some tech which could prevent this or help track the offenders?

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justinh:

the alarm put them off, which went off as soon as they went into the livingroom

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mzb_d800:

justinh: so from that point of view it was a blessing that you weren't home?

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perlmonkey:

was lucky yes could of been bad

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wagnerrp:

gps phone hidden under the trunk liner, big ass battery

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justinh:

if the kitchen sensor had been activated (which it wasnt cos that's where the (soft) dog sleeps)...

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perlmonkey:

good idea

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wagnerrp:

(watch some burn notice)

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perlmonkey:

what a flash thingy in the car keys that disables their sight or lets out some toxic gas

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perlmonkey:

and the car doors lock and cops r dialled

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wagnerrp:

what? no...

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justinh:

I've seen a nifty gadget which'll text you its gps coordinates – has a relay output too so in theory you could text your car & cut the fuel pump ;)

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mzb_d800:

car fills with water? ;))

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wagnerrp:

you just track the phone when the car gets stolen

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justinh:

wagnerrp: thing is, police won't be interested

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

too many cars are stolen i guess

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mzb_d800:

have fun guys. >2:30am ... gnite

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justinh:

hell you could catch a burglar, lock him in a room til the police come & you'd prolly get done for false imprisonment or something

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perlmonkey:

yes

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perlmonkey:

but now the law is changing did you hear justin

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perlmonkey:

its now going to be permissable to give people a beating

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justinh:

I've read all sorts about 'reasonable force'

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perlmonkey:

yes

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mzb_d800:

(trick is to beat them senseless and then drag them onto the street before they die .... so I'm told)

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justinh:

takes some balls to do that though

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perlmonkey:

justinh my neighbourhood has gotten so bad the police have taken up permanent residence in the middle of it, like occupying residential flats

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justinh:

not that any fear was in my mind when I leapt downstairs on our alarm waking me back in feb

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perlmonkey:

theres 2 police cars outside my flat now

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justinh:

nice area

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justinh:

our street is nice. very little ever happens

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perlmonkey:

some bodies turned up just recently

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perlmonkey:

one was in a dustbin

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perlmonkey:

just a couple of streets from here

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perlmonkey:

and a mile away a woman was found dead in a wood

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justinh:

there was a guy who went around vandalising cars for a while but he's dead now. somebody caught him in the act & gave chase. guy got away but was found in somebody's garden the next day :)

[16:34:37]

perlmonkey:

nearly everyone is doing drugs, using or dealing

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perlmonkey:

and the cops do nothing

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perlmonkey:

ive gathered much evidence and hence my cameras etc

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justinh:

drugs? dealing? MOTORISTS!

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perlmonkey:

heh

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perlmonkey:

the streets have gone to shit and the cops have lost control

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justinh:

sounds like a nice ghetto

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perlmonkey:

i cant even have my windows open without inhaling noxious drug fumes

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justinh:

or london

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wagnerrp:

sounds like college dorms

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perlmonkey:

you know the area is nice really here, its quite beautiful but the people suck

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

its a bit like college dorms i guess, the flats are close together and lots of teenagers moved here

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justinh:

middlesbrough was like that when I lived there in 1991/1992. Hate to think how bad it got since

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perlmonkey:

loud music and fights, gangs

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wagnerrp:

it was almost like clockwork, every night at 1:30, the guys below my friend's room would toke up

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perlmonkey:

what can you do eh

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justinh:

perlmonkey: sounds like a case for moving to me

[16:38:04]

perlmonkey:

you cant choose your neighbours

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perlmonkey:

yeah i badly wanna move

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justinh:

I know I complain about one of my neighbours being a dick for parking inconsiderately, but rather him be that than a crack dealer

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perlmonkey:

when i came here like 8 years ago it was so peaceful and tranquil, only old people lived here

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perlmonkey:

now they all died and young people came

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perlmonkey:

yes indeed that put its into prospective

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justinh:

had my eyes opened since I moved to the big smoke of Manchester I tell ya

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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justinh:

I don't hate it down here but...

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justinh:

spose it could be worse. at least it's not Stoke or Telford

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perlmonkey:

its not as bad as some places i bet

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perlmonkey:

im glad the cops are right by me

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perlmonkey:

else this place would be pure hell worse than it is now

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justinh:

hell, where I used to live, the place I have such fond memories of, three people I knew or worked with were murdered

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perlmonkey:

:-O

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perlmonkey:

this girl...

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perlmonkey:

some guy she worked with smashed her car while parking by accident

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perlmonkey:

he refuses to pay for the damage and was not insured and she threatened cops on him

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justinh:

worked with Julie Smailes, worked with Sara Cameron, & knew another who was mates with a friend of mine

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perlmonkey:

then my cctv captures him at 3am entering the close with a can of petrol

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perlmonkey:

and you can guess the rest

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justinh:

bloody shocking, they still haven't solved two of those

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justinh:

!

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perlmonkey:

who are those people

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justinh:

no longer among us people

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perlmonkey:

they were famous?

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justinh:

nope

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

Morrissey wrote a song called Ouiji Board

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justinh:

I'm aware of it

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perlmonkey:

where he attempts to contact a friend who's passed on, but she tells him over the board to f... off

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justinh:

also a song called Panic where he advocates hanging the DJ :P

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justinh:

hahaha

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perlmonkey:

hehe yes

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perlmonkey:

girlfriend in a coma

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perlmonkey:

such cheerful titles

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justinh:

it's bad when you actually have a body count in your own life though

[16:45:55]

perlmonkey:

yeah must be i never encountered that luckily

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wagnerrp:

"this application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect"

[16:46:17]

wagnerrp:

what the hell does that mean

[16:46:21]

wagnerrp:

(windows error)

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perlmonkey:

keep strong, keep fit and keep positive

[16:46:28]

perlmonkey:

thats all you can do

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justinh:

still, amount of times my DNA has been taken from me I'll hopefulyl be eliminated from lots more enquiries

[16:46:42]

justinh:

as long as they don't screw up

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perlmonkey:

woah you've done many crimes?

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perlmonkey:

i never had any DNA sample taken but i was fingerprinted once when i reported a crime

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justinh:

no, but I've been swabbed (oh just for this one case Sir we promise we won't keep the sample)...

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perlmonkey:

just to eliminate you

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perlmonkey:

from enquiries

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perlmonkey:

the cops are building a huge dna database and they do store it eh

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justinh:

we told the coppers they had 2 of our phones & that they were still switched on. they could easy have tracked them from that

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perlmonkey:

so that was from a crime you reported, and they took YOUR DNA

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perlmonkey:

that sucks

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perlmonkey:

thats like me being fingerprinted, you report a crime and you end up feeling like the crimimal in he station for 3 hours

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justinh:

no, that was part of a murder investigation

[16:49:33]

perlmonkey:

next time you think, why bother, or why get involved

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GreyFoxx:

how else would they eliminate your from samples taken ?

[16:49:38]

perlmonkey:

you know what to expect

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GreyFoxx:

If someone breaks into my house and they dust for prints then need mine to know which ones are NOT the perp

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perlmonkey:

they would catch the ruddy crimimals for a start

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perlmonkey:

*could

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justinh:

they know which ones are the perp -they're the ones that look like glove prints

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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perlmonkey:

why not catch them FIRST then deal that with stuff later

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perlmonkey:

they waste so much time and unnecessary inconveniences for victims

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justinh:

I read about the Menezes case today. I still fail to see how they got it so utterly wrong

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perlmonkey:

that guy they shot like 9 times?

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justinh:

it's enough to make anybody scared when they see a copper

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GreyFoxx:

If cops come to my house, dust for prints, and get 10 sets

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justinh:

perlmonkey: 9 or so times, in the head

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perlmonkey:

why is it...

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GreyFoxx:

they do they know which are mine or my family versus the badguys if they don't get mine to eliminate from the list ?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: prints are one thing, dna is something else

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justinh:

though if dna is found, you need to be eliminated from that

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perlmonkey:

in UK the cops dont carry any guns or weapons on street, yet one small firearm incident and they come tooled up like the f'kin SAS or army with submachine guns everywhere

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perlmonkey:

shooting like crazy

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GreyFoxx:

just: Example, sweat, hair follicles, spit, tear drops. We excude DNA everywhere we go :)

[16:52:34]

justinh:

perlmonkey: wanna bet? manchester, xmas time.. all the major banks get armed police hovering around all day

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perlmonkey:

phew

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: yeah but they take swabs for good samples

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perlmonkey:

is that typical now of big cities?

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justinh:

perlmonkey: not heard of it elsewhere but I assume so

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perlmonkey:

ive heard some gun shots around here lately

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perlmonkey:

small calibre like handguns

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: point being, I think it's naughty to keep records for longer than they say they're gonna

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: plus, the fact that DNA evidence is not infallible

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perlmonkey:

the cops keep helicoptor in the sky a lot

[16:54:38]

GreyFoxx:

if it's suppose to be an elimination sample then yeah it should not remain in a DB after it's used

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perlmonkey:

yeah the cops in UK are now constantly matching old crimes to people using the DNA database

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justinh:

if 'your' DNA puts you at the scene of a crime & you ain't got no alibi.. you're screwed

[16:54:56]

perlmonkey:

there is a risk, allbeit a small one you could be wrongly accused

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GreyFoxx:

BUT there is a part of me that would like to see a global DNA/fingerprint database :)

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GreyFoxx:

samples of dns taken at birth and some such

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perlmonkey:

Greyfoxx you are crazy

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: me too, so long as everything stays nice

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justinh:

but part of me doubts it will

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perlmonkey:

where is that shit gonna end eh? they will have total control before long

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justinh:

perlmonkey: they do already

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perlmonkey:

they wont stop until everyone is chipped

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justinh:

small beans

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GreyFoxx:

perlm: they already do

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perlmonkey:

they are gonna do 1984 eh

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justinh:

it means them going from taking 30 minutes to find something out to 30 seconds, that's all

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GreyFoxx:

Dude, unless you live in a shack in the woods and never use any electronic stuff then youARE chipped

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perlmonkey:

no i mean really chippped

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GreyFoxx:

creditcards, ebilling, and so on

[16:56:29]

perlmonkey:

like cops can scan your arm or whatever

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justinh:

perlmonkey: there's no need

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clever:

wee

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GreyFoxx:

even my credicard has a chip I can just wave over a reader without swipping to pay for stuff

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clever:

4800 baud is fun

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perlmonkey:

this ID card in UK is the first step eh

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perlmonkey:

compulsary ID card with biometric data on a chip

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justinh:

I was wondering the other day how they caught that student for downloading material likely to be used for terrorism...

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perlmonkey:

how did they

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justinh:

there's only two ways I can think of. 1. they watch everything 2. they just happened to be watching him anyway

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perlmonkey:

yeah thats a point

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perlmonkey:

theres a hell of a lot of intelligence gathering going on in UK

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perlmonkey:

its routine to monitor phone, internet and email

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justinh:

anyway.. monitor this.. I'm going home :)

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clever:

encrypt all then

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clever:

ssl irc!

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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perlmonkey:

signing off

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clever:

or use 4800 sserial terminals the cant figure out lie i have here

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perlmonkey:

if you go high tech they will put you on suspect list with something to hide

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perlmonkey:

better to do it openly but use low tech

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perlmonkey:

:P

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perlmonkey:

coded language etc

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clever:

something i saw in a book

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clever:

if the ammount of encrypted trafic on a conn goes uo

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clever:

up*

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clever:

it will attract attention

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clever:

so to upset the balanace of that

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perlmonkey:

i heard dont know if its true..the UK military now has the ability to locate and target enemies by mobile fone and is activitely using that with unmanned planes to kill people

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clever:

they added encryption to a p2p files service

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clever:

which suddenly causes a massive increase in encrypted trafic everywhere

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clever:

now the encrypted people with stuff to hide blend in better

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perlmonkey:

do you think these muslim fanatic terrorists are smart in these ways with tech?

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clever:

not all of them

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clever:

but some might be

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perlmonkey:

or oblivious to the intelligence services abilities

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perlmonkey:

i was wondering you know

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perlmonkey:

whether those guys may be much much smarter then we imagine they are, and many of them are responsible for this global instability in markets or taking money from markets

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perlmonkey:

if you wanna attack countries what better way than via their markets and target them economically where it hurts

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perlmonkey:

no bombs needed, can be done from anywhere in world

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perlmonkey:

and you get money to support your cause into the bargain

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perlmonkey:

banks are now collapsing eh, this is not normal

[17:04:52]

clever:

uploading...

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/terror . . . b.jpg/_full_

[17:06:23]

clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/terror . . . l.jpg/_full_

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perlmonkey:

woah

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clever:

next, read the 2nd which says the exact oposite:P

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

you made the 2nd one?

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clever:

nope, found both online

[17:08:22]

academy:

I'm trying to get FTA satellite working through an old Sky UK LNB. How can I work out what LNB settings I need?

[17:08:32]

clever:

seems to have made a few round trips, 2 people sent me links to them

[17:08:45]

clever:

i lost the links so i just uploaded my copys

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perlmonkey:

if all the guys who do tech here formed a terrorist org then the cops would have their work cut out

[17:09:09]

perlmonkey:

bombs and muslim stuff is low tech

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clever:

perlmonkey: http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/

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clever:

that book is basicaly that idea:P

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perlmonkey:

lol

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perlmonkey:

neat

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clever:

a single terrorist attack caused the govt to go into overkill and invade everybodys privacy

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perlmonkey:

yeah exactly

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clever:

and all the teenagers grouped together to cause more trouble then a terrorist could ever do

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perlmonkey:

these guys arent enough real terrorists in the true sense

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perlmonkey:

like IRA

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clever:

then the govt claimed, the kids are terrorists!

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clever:

torture them!

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perlmonkey:

they are just dumbasses who jumped onto a cause

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perlmonkey:

its like

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perlmonkey:

the gov has reacted more radically against these terrorists than the terrorists are radical

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clever:

the students in that book had rfid tags in every library book

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perlmonkey:

and the should of acted like that on IRA and sweeped those murdering scum up but they never

[17:12:01]

clever:

which let the school track when students come&go

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perlmonkey:

phew

[17:12:15]

clever:

they arent allowed to put tags on the students

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clever:

but nothing stops you from putting tags in the books

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clever:

then cross referencing the record in a db

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perlmonkey:

the weapon is the financial markets thats where great countries are most vunerable

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clever:

they had to fry the chip in a microwave just to skip class:P

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perlmonkey:

i think the terrorists are now realising that

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clever:

dont they live right next to the massive oil fields?

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perlmonkey:

hehe

[17:13:26]

perlmonkey:

we need oil

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clever:

now if you could send an explosive DOWN INTO the field itself

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perlmonkey:

without oil everything stops

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clever:

blow the entire thing at once

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clever:

it would make one hell of a crater

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clever:

and whipe out the whole field

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perlmonkey:

but dont we rely on muslims for most of our oil?

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perlmonkey:

why dont they just stop selling us

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wagnerrp:

except for the small problem that an oil field wont detonate...

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clever:

yes thats my point

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clever:

wagnerrp: not without extra work

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wagnerrp:

its not even flammable unless you aerosol it first

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perlmonkey:

you can make oil fields no areas easily

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clever:

wagnerrp: if you where to pump some form of liquid oxygen down into the field it would probly turn pretty explosive

[17:14:46]

perlmonkey:

with a dirty bomb

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perlmonkey:

radioactive

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perlmonkey:

*no go

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clever:

that would be even simpler:P

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

sheesh

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perlmonkey:

i could be in jail for saying all this shit on irc

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wagnerrp:

clever: no it wouldnt, unless its an aerosol, only the surface will burn, it will not detonate

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perlmonkey:

who knows whats taking notes

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clever:

now move to ssl connection before the feds knock on your door:P

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perlmonkey:

under UK law could you go to court for discussing this in public?

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wagnerrp:

you have to get the oxygen mixed in somehow

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clever:

wagnerrp: which could be solved by an initial charge of some explosive to vaporize it

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perlmonkey:

we have already broken the anti-terrorism act?

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wagnerrp:

that is ONE HELL of an initial explosive

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perlmonkey:

oxygen burns at 2000 degrees

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perlmonkey:

that will melt anything

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wagnerrp:

what the fuck are you talking about

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wagnerrp:

oxygen doesnt burn

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perlmonkey:

and ignite just about anything

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clever:

wagnerrp: i was just thinking a small boom to spray up some oil, which then chain reacts and sprays up more

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perlmonkey:

of course it burns are you crazy

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perlmonkey:

it burns with an intense white flame

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wagnerrp:

clever: except the boom has to be under the crude

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wagnerrp:

so there will be no chain reaction

[17:17:32]

wagnerrp:

just an initial fireball

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wagnerrp:

oxygen is an oxidizer

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perlmonkey:

did you never do the experiment in chemistry with a distinguished match in a tube of oxygen?

[17:17:55]

clever:

wagnerrp: though if you did that underground you would probly turn the well into a crater/lake

[17:17:57]

wagnerrp:

the oxidizer has to oxidize something to burn

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perlmonkey:

it reignites and burns very bright

[17:18:04]

wagnerrp:

it cant just burn on its own

[17:18:08]

wagnerrp:

what is it going to do

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perlmonkey:

it cab!

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perlmonkey:

it does

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wagnerrp:

turn from oxygen... into oxygen?

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perlmonkey:

thats why

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perlmonkey:

you're not allowed to smoke or have a naked flame anywhere near oxygen cylinders like in hospitals etc

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perlmonkey:

boom!

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wagnerrp:

thats because there is fuel to consume

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perlmonkey:

yes

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wagnerrp:

oxygen is just one part

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wagnerrp:

you need the fuel

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perlmonkey:

nitrogen

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wagnerrp:

oxygen alone will not brun

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clever:

what happens if you light a match in a room with 100% propane

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perlmonkey:

it goes sky high

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wagnerrp:

nitrogen is an inert gas, nitrogen will not burn

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clever:

perlmonkey: nope, it wont burn because theres no oxygen

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wagnerrp:

propane is a fuel, without oxygen, it will not burn

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perlmonkey:

but how can you not have oxygen

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perlmonkey:

its everywhere

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wagnerrp:

by... having something else

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perlmonkey:

thats not possible tho in a room he said a room

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wagnerrp:

the room is filled with propane... hence no oxygen

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clever:

sealed room:P

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perlmonkey:

one would expect oxygen to be in most rooms

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perlmonkey:

ah you didnt say that :P

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wagnerrp:

he said the room was 100% propane

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wagnerrp:

that means 0% of anything else

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wagnerrp:

no..... oxygen.....

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perlmonkey:

the room must of had oxygen in it so where did that go

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Gimpy:

hi all, when you you do udevinfo with -n and it tells you the nome does not exsit what do you do, am i missing a step or arg?. I cat cat out put on the event i can see the node.

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wagnerrp:

ok, im going to go eat

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perlmonkey:

just a small bit of static from your clothing would be enough to ignite that oxygene and then the propane

[17:22:04]

perlmonkey:

you would go sky high

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perlmonkey:

wagnerrp bon appetit

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perlmonkey:

a room without anything = a vacuum

[17:23:23]

perlmonkey:

a vacuum would have zero gravity?

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perlmonkey:

Gimpy

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perlmonkey:

state your purpose

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Gimpy:

perlmonkey: heres the link for the firefly-mini, i am trying to create my udev rule with my OP results

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Gimpy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

I think that is a bit over my head

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perlmonkey:

im gonna eat salad

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perlmonkey:

and nuts

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perlmonkey:

but not meat

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Gimpy:

thanks :-)

[17:28:43]

** directhex throws ham @ perlmonkey **

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** perlmonkey throws it back in a bun **

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perlmonkey:

ive been eating raw food for like 10 days

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** Gimpy gives perlmokey an oven **

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** perlmonkey uses it to make pottery **

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perlmonkey:

cooked food is dead food

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** Gimpy pelmonkey its a toaster oveen **

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** Gimpy perlmonkey only in the mirowave **

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perlmonkey:

no all cooked food

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Gimpy:

perlmonkey: true

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perlmonkey:

void of enzymes and living matter

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perlmonkey:

inadequate for human nutrition

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perlmonkey:

ok cooking is not entirely bad

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perlmonkey:

but not too much cooking, low temp heating is ok

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perlmonkey:

theres over 300 enzymes in living food, like fresh veg and fruits but when cooked it goes down to zero

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perlmonkey:

many of those enzymes we dont even know or understand yet

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Gimpy:

perlmonkey: oh, you want the cow to still kick when your eatin' it :-p

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perlmonkey:

eating meat is definitely out

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** kormoc sighs **

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perlmonkey:

unless you can eat it raw and not die

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kormoc:

what the the hell happened. This channel used to be on topic at least most of the time I looked in here

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perlmonkey:

what happened kormoc is, the channel got some life into it and interests besides one topic

[17:36:55]

perlmonkey:

now its more dynamic and fun

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kormoc:

perlmonkey, the entire point of channels is to be based on a topic, and if you want a different topic, go to a channel that supports it

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perlmonkey:

but isnt that a bit narrow sighted

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kormoc:

when this is a support channel for a piece of software, not really

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perlmonkey:

whats wrong with having a channel of like minded people with a common interest who can also share and debate in other interests

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kormoc:

nothing, but that's not what this channel was intended to be

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perlmonkey:

ok

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RyeBrye:

/join #random-shit

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RyeBrye:

oops, wrong window

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** perlmonkey did not mean to speak out of turn **

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RyeBrye:

The burning done by mytharchive mostly delegates to an external script, correct?

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Gimpy:

is the maintainer of the mythtv gentoo ebuild around?

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clever:

2008-09–24 14:47:32.447 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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clever:

Query was:

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clever:

Driver error was [1/-1]:

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clever:

Driver not loaded

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clever:

umm, what happened?

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clever:

the database object just imploded without warning

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iamlindoro_:

you touched it

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clever:

all i did was hit enter to make it play an episode

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kormoc:

Gimpy, Cardoe is the guy, and he's not currently, but I might be able to help

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Gimpy:

kormoc: ok, did you see my OP?

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kormoc:

Gimpy, nope?

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Anduin:

Gimpy: You need to pastebin exactly what you've run with the output it generated

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wagnerrp:

does perlmonkey just have no understanding of science?

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wagnerrp:

i had to leave a while back to avoid causing myself further pain

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wagnerrp:

glad i did... see the 'vacuum causes zero gravity' line

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Gimpy:

kormoc, when you you do udevinfo with -n and it tells you the nome does not exsit what do you do, am i missing a step or arg?. I cat cat out put on the event i can see the node.

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Gimpy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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Gimpy:

kormoc: brb 1 hour going to class

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academy:

My LNB seems to have a wierd High LOF. Can anyone suggest a way to find out what it is?

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Dagmar:

Google.

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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Dagmar:

None of those are made in runs so small no one's posted what it is.

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Dagmar:

For example: http://www.google.com/search?q=lnb+lof

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academy:

Dagmar: I can't get at the LNB to find out what it is.

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Dagmar:

Well, it doesn't support EDID.

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academy:

It was linked to a digibox which claims that the high lof is the normal 10600. For some reason, as soon as I hit the higher frequencies where this kicks in, mythtv's tuning goes skewed.

[18:50:09]

academy:

The lof switch seems to be 11700 as usual

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academy:

*sky digibox

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Dagmar:

So add "sky" to the query

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Dagmar:

Read all 10 hits and you're bound to find the answer.

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academy:

no, sky LNBs are normally universal – 9750/10600/11700. That's what the digibox claims it is too, yet it doesn't work in myth

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patstew:

Hi, I've just set up my myth tv box, and scanned in all the channels (uk/dvb-s/freesat), but now I have hundreds of channels with seemingly random channel numbers. How can I manually reorder them in the guide?

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academy:

I've read about 30 hits Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Well, no one else has any way of knowing what equipment you have except you.

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academy:

and spent hours googling other terms

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Dagmar:

I can tell you're wrong about a few things just from reading the link summaries

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academy:

If you read further into the link summaries you'll see they're not for Sky UK.

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academy:

so no, I'm not

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academy:

trial and error worked – it's around 10000

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patstew:

Is the only way to change channel ordering to mess about with the channel numbers in the database?

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btQuark:

hi there :D

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btQuark:

do some of you have experience in setting up autotranscode?

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btQuark:

because with me it keeps failing

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dustybin:

the perfik frontend

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dustybin:

http://www.wneweb.com/Satcom/more/J630.htm

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Dagmar:

Failtroll.

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dustybin:

im pushing my frontend to see how hot the CPU gets

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dustybin:

Cpu(s): 78.0%us, 16.0%sy,

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dustybin:

Board Temp: +37.5??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

[19:31:07]

dustybin:

Remote Temp: +54.0??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

Remote Temp = CPU

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dustybin:

Board Temp: +39.5??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

Remote Temp: +58.0??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

ill come back in a hour

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dustybin:

Cpu(s): 91.1%us, 7.3%sy,

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Gimmpy:

kormoc: im back

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Gimmpy:

kormoc: so what info did you need?

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dustybin:

Board Temp: +46.5??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

Remote Temp: +68.0??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

oh dear..

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dustybin:

Cpu(s): 89.0%us, 10.3%sy

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dustybin:

its on its way back down again :-)

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dustybin:

Board Temp: +47.2??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

Remote Temp: +66.0??C (low = -127.0??C, high = +127.0??C)

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dustybin:

and i cannot hear any fans

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iamlindoro_:

Jesus fuck, McCain has bailed on Friday's debate

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RyeBrye:

Does that mean Obama wins by default and will advance to the playoffs?

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iamlindoro_:

I think he's using his bye week

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wagnerrp:

woo! got video playback on my PS3 working

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wagnerrp:

seems i was using adaptive B frames on the encodes... and i wasnt supposed to

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wagnerrp:

anyway, that means ive got some 100hrs of DVD-Rips to.... re-rip

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wagnerrp:

fun times!

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dustybin:

re-rip = bad

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dustybin:

only rip from the original

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wagnerrp:

yes, i am re-ripping, as opposed to re-encoding

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wagnerrp:

im starting from scratch, by ripping the DVD a second time

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: what format will you rip them to? .mp4

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wagnerrp:

mp4 is the only option for HD on the PS3

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dustybin:

right ok

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dustybin:

so what kbps will you use?

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dustybin:

most rips on the internet are 700–1000 kbps

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wagnerrp:

the HDTV (1080p) ive been using was 4500kbps, with negligible quality loss

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dustybin:

what about SD DVD

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wagnerrp:

DVDs, i usually did 800–1200, depending on the resolution after cropping, and the action in the movie

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Gimmpy:

hi all am i missing a step when i use udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event1)

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wagnerrp:

plus 96kbps for 2-channel, 256kbps for 5.1

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: do you think 2000kbps is too much for SD DVD ?

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Gimmpy:

hi all am i missing a step when i use udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event6) i get node name not found

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wagnerrp:

h264, absolutely more than needed

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wagnerrp:

xvid, youre still on the high side

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dustybin:

ok, so next time ill try 1500kbps h264 for my SD DVDs

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dustybin:

96kbps sounds a little on the low side, even for 2 channels

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wagnerrp:

do you crop them, or leave them anamorphic?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: they are anamorphic

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dustybin:

maybe should crop them to keep the files smaller

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wagnerrp:

i mean do you rescale and crop to 1:1 pixels?

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dustybin:

hold on let me show you the settings

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patstew:

does anybody know where I can get the correct channel numbers for uk dvb-s?

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wagnerrp:

thats alright, dont bother

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dustybin:

./HandBrakeCLI -i Vantage_Point.iso -o /mnt/video/Vantage_Point.mp4 -e x264 -b 2000 -f mp4 -B 192 -m -2 -T

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dustybin:

thats a example

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you keep anamorphic, you want higher bitrate, just because theres more data

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wagnerrp:

but 1500 is still probably a bit high

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dustybin:

right ok

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wagnerrp:

of course the only detriment is the additional file space used

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PatrickDK:

I seem to be able to encode at 1200 without any issue

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: am i right in thinking that you can go past a certain point and you will _NOT_ notice any difference in quality ?

[20:00:09]

dustybin:

instead one wil waste CPU clocks and disk space

[20:00:22]

wagnerrp:

the first time you encode, you will see a difference in quality in stills

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wagnerrp:

regardless of bitrate

[20:00:30]

dustybin:

ok

[20:00:47]

wagnerrp:

but in a moving picture, its a lot harder to notice quality loss

[20:00:59]

dustybin:

right ok

[20:01:06]

wagnerrp:

thats the problem with comparing stills when doing compression comparisons

[20:01:31]

wagnerrp:

you dont see the stills unless you pause it, you see the motion video, and your mind will interpolate out some amount of pixelation

[20:01:49]

wagnerrp:

macroblocking

[20:01:50]

dustybin:

i see

[20:01:54]

dustybin:

ive never looked at the stills

[20:02:18]

PatrickDK:

I just like to keep the ffmpeg quality at <8

[20:02:36]

PatrickDK:

I start to notice it around 10–12

[20:02:41]

dustybin:

am i right in thinking that you might as well crop _everything_ ?

[20:03:02]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason to crop any more than the pad

[20:03:15]

dustybin:

ok

[20:04:18]

dustybin:

i dont mind if the file sizes are slightly larger, as long as im not missing out on too much quality, thats the most important thing to me

[20:04:48]

dustybin:

sound and visual

[20:05:43]

dustybin:

i think 1400kbps for visuals and 256kbps for soundtrack is perfek!

[20:06:19]

PatrickDK:

you know what is annoying?

[20:06:31]

dustybin:

what?

[20:06:32]

PatrickDK:

attempting to find a good value for stuff like barney, dora, ...

[20:06:44]

dustybin:

?

[20:06:59]

PatrickDK:

the anime type stuff

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PatrickDK:

cause they are more stills

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dustybin:

try 1500kbps

[20:07:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the lack of color variation compresses very well

[20:07:21]

PatrickDK:

you notice when it's not perfect, pretty damn easy

[20:07:56]

PatrickDK:

movement totally fucks mpeg though

[20:08:09]

PatrickDK:

I haven't really got too detailed with how it interacts with h264

[20:08:33]

wagnerrp:

i encoded a copy of the big bang theory last night

[20:08:46]

dustybin:

mm i like stuff like that

[20:08:51]

wagnerrp:

someone was folding a shirt, and flicked it

[20:09:10]

wagnerrp:

the original mpeg of the shirt during the motion consisted of solid macroblocks

[20:09:23]

wagnerrp:

the compression on it was absolutely horrible

[20:09:57]

dustybin:

ive noticed those blocks when there was 2 shades of red

[20:10:06]

dustybin:

big square blocks instead

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Xklark:

I just freshly installed ubuntu, then installed mythtv through apt-get

[20:15:21]

Xklark:

mysql is set up, the database mythconverg is there, but when i hit watch tv on the frontend, it just goes black, then comes back to menu

[20:15:30]

Xklark:

the backend and frontend are runnning on the same computer

[20:15:40]

wagnerrp:

did you set up the tuner card?

[20:15:44]

Xklark:

Yes

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Xklark:

i have a happauge wintv pvr usb2, and with the new kernel version, support is already built in

[20:16:04]

wagnerrp:

you tried the tuner card in a program other than mythtv?

[20:16:12]

Xklark:

how do i test that?

[20:16:34]

wagnerrp:

you have proper file permissions for the user running the backend (both for the record directory, and the tuner device)

[20:16:50]

Xklark:

how would i check to make sure

[20:17:03]

Xklark:

the record directory has permissions i'm sure, as i set it in a folder in my /home/ directory

[20:17:12]

Xklark:

not sure about the tuner device though

[20:17:15]

wagnerrp:

are you running the backend?

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wagnerrp:

normally, the backend gets run as mythtv

[20:17:37]

Xklark:

yes, i am running the backend

[20:17:38]

wagnerrp:

in which case mythtv would not have permission to write to your folder

[20:17:44]

Xklark:

hmm

[20:17:54]

Xklark:

oh, i see what you mean

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Xklark:

could i change the recording directory to the mythtv home directory?

[20:18:12]

wagnerrp:

sure

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Xklark:

ill try that, just a second

[20:18:43]

wagnerrp:

if you have a user 'mythtv', and youre starting the backend through the init scripts, its most likely being run as user 'mythtv'

[20:20:44]

Xklark:

k

[20:21:12]

Xklark:

when i change it, it says the directory /home/mythtv/ is not writable

[20:21:18]

Xklark:

does that mean its trying to run off of my user?

[20:21:32]

wagnerrp:

not at all

[20:21:46]

wagnerrp:

because chances are youre running mythtv-setup as your user, rather than the 'mythtv' user

[20:21:55]

Xklark:

probably

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Xklark:

oh

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend and mythtv-setup should be run as the same user

[20:22:15]

Xklark:

ohhhhhh

[20:22:18]

Xklark:

thats what im messing up probably

[20:22:22]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt have to be, but it clears up some confusion if you dont really know what youre doing

[20:22:34]

Xklark:

so do i log into the mythtv user? what is the pass?

[20:22:41]

wagnerrp:

no idea

[20:22:47]

wagnerrp:

it may not have one

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wagnerrp:

i.e., it may not allow you to log into it, and you can only suid a program into it

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Xklark:

hmm

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iamlindoro_:

Which is the case for, say, mythbuntu

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Xklark:

im not using mythbuntu

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iamlindoro_:

apparently some people aren't familiar with the concept of an "example"

[20:25:01]

iamlindoro_:

uhhh

[20:25:12]

iamlindoro_:

Ubuntu and mythbuntu use the same packages, dude

[20:25:21]

iamlindoro_:

So what I said *does* apply

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Xklark:

i'm sorry

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: you see any purpose in ever encoding to AVC 4 slices?

[20:27:08]

wagnerrp:

i would think any quad core machine would have enough power to do anything it needs on 2 cores

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Xklark:

k, i just started up mythtv frontend, ima pastebin the log

[20:28:42]

Xklark:

http://pastebin.com/m41ab3dda

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: I think you're probably right

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dustybin:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php <-- this forum/wiki contains _EVERYTHING_ you need to know about audio formats, anybody know a similar website/forum/wiki what details everything you need to know about VISUAL FORMATS?

[20:31:08]

iamlindoro_:

Go to the ffmpeg user archives. Read them from the start of the project until the end. Then you will know things.

[20:31:46]

iamlindoro_:

And you'll know more about audio that the hydrogenaudio numbskulls too

[20:32:07]

iamlindoro_:

You would sound sooooo much smarter if you refrained from speaking in absolutes, you know

[20:32:22]

iamlindoro_:

http://fieldofgravity.com/votejm/shirts.html

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: are you _SURE_ about what your saying?

[20:33:31]

dustybin:

i found this pathetic forum..

[20:33:33]

dustybin:

http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?f=113

[20:33:49]

wagnerrp:

i have to imagine the ffmpeg people know what theyre talking about as far as digital codecs go

[20:33:51]

Xklark:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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Xklark:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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Xklark:

What does that mean?

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iamlindoro_:

That's LIRC, it's not a problem

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clever:

Xklark: read the next line

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Xklark:

oh, i see

[20:34:16]

Xklark:

i cant figure out what happend

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iamlindoro_:

It just means you don't have a remote working yet.

[20:34:47]

Xklark:

im reading the log and can't figure out what went wrong lol

[20:35:03]

Xklark:

http://pastebin.com/m41ab3dda – anyone have an idea?

[20:35:08]

clever:

if nothing went wrong then why are you in the logs!

[20:35:19]

wagnerrp:

livetv went wrong

[20:35:19]

Xklark:

something did go wrong! :O

[20:35:31]

clever:

'can't figure out what went wrong'

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iamlindoro_:

If liveTV went wrong then your answers aren't in the frontend logs

[20:35:43]

wagnerrp:

he doesnt know why livetv went wrong

[20:35:53]

clever:

looks like it needs more -v

[20:36:08]

iamlindoro_:

It looks like it needs someone to check the correct log file

[20:36:17]

Xklark:

:(

[20:36:38]

iamlindoro_:

Pop quiz, where do the tuners live and what component of myth runs them?

[20:36:47]

iamlindoro_:

The log of *that* component has real answers.

[20:36:58]

Xklark:

the BACKEND

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iamlindoro_:

gold star

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the two biggest livetv issues are 1) the backend doesnt have file permission to write the video (or the frontend cannot read the video and for whatever reason, will not stream through the backend), or 2) the tuner card is not set up properly

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iamlindoro_:

^^^ Well put

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Xklark:

what about mysql errors?

[20:37:37]

wagnerrp:

if its a single machine, almost certainly one of those will be your problem

[20:37:45]

Xklark:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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Xklark:

Database error was:

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Xklark:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv starts up, its most likely not a mysql issue

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Xklark:

k

[20:38:09]

iamlindoro_:

although

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wagnerrp:

if you get that error, mythtv should refuse to start

[20:38:13]

iamlindoro_:

is that in the backend log?

[20:38:16]

Xklark:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

and it's from the most recent time you tried?

[20:38:30]

wagnerrp:

so the backend is not connecting to the database, so its not really running

[20:38:42]

Xklark:

iamlindoro, happened first time i started it

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Xklark:

lol

[20:39:13]

Xklark:

/usr/bin/mythbackend is running

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clever:

but is that the real backend!

[20:40:18]

Xklark:

idk! :|

[20:40:29]

clever:

from the traces of mythubuntu i see in the pastebin(mythfrontend.real) there may be fake wrappers

[20:40:35]

clever:

'file /usr/bin/mythbackend'

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clever:

mine comes up as being 'ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped'

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Xklark:

usr/bin/mythbackend: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped

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Xklark:

mine be stripped!

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clever:

looks like the real backend from a glance

[20:42:03]

clever:

debug symbols dont affect how it runs

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Xklark:

k

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dustybin:

"If size does not matter, a good starting point for a very high quality rip is about 2000Kbit plus or minus 200Kbit. For fast action or high detail source video, or if you just have a very critical eye, you might decide on 2400 or 2600. For some DVDs, you might not notice a difference at 1400Kbit. It is a good idea to experiment with scenes at different bitrates to get a feel. "

[20:43:54]

dustybin:

dam what is kbps > kbit ?

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Xklark:

clever, so what do you think might be wrong?

[20:44:12]

wagnerrp:

correct

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clever:

Xklark: im out of ideas

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wagnerrp:

2600 for a DVD is rediculous

[20:44:32]

wagnerrp:

the original mpeg2 is only going to be double that

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Xklark:

k

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: that is kbit not kbps

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wagnerrp:

kbit ========= kbps

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dustybin:

oh

[20:45:01]

wagnerrp:

kilobit, kilobit per second

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dustybin:

right i see

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wagnerrp:

DVDs are usually only 5–8mbps

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wagnerrp:

realize that includes 384–448kbps of audio

[20:49:04]

wagnerrp:

sometimes upwards of 1mbps audio, if there are multiple tracks

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dustybin:

"You're never going to get the same quality as the original DVD in a handbrake rip... when you transcode video you lose some data, just a fact. That said, you can get near DVD at 704*(this value varies based on aspect ratio) and anything from 1500–2000kbps MPEG4, using 2-pass encoding. I rip TV shows from DVD at 1500kbps MPEG4 and they look fine on my 30" HD CRT and my 98" projector... there's some macroblocking in the backgrounds, but it's n

[20:49:48]

iamlindoro_:

Christ, he's got a new source of things to quote from

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dustybin:

2000kbps FTW at the moment

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wagnerrp:

using what codec? using what settings? using what compressor?

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: I am fucking BEGGING you, and I mean this seriously... when you learn something new, PLEASE don't paste into the channel

[20:50:16]

dustybin:

aye ok

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wagnerrp:

theres a LOT more to this shit than just '2-pass mpeg4'

[20:50:45]

wagnerrp:

AVC vs. ASP is a big difference

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wagnerrp:

B frames, qpel, macroblocks, PSV settings, make a big difference

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iamlindoro_:

*especially* oversimplified stuff like that... and anyone who thinks 1500 Kbps h.264 on a 100 inch projection looks good took a double helping of insane-e-os

[20:51:23]

wagnerrp:

calvc vs. cabac makes a big difference

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wagnerrp:

1500kbps h.264 should look every bit as good as the original DVD to anyone but the most anal videophile

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iamlindoro_:

Because on a screen that large, even moderately compressed *HD* material looks like hammered shit

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wagnerrp:

and neither are going to look good on 100" screen unless youre 10' away

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: on normal screen sizes-- but at 100 inches, macroblocking is *awful*

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wagnerrp:

at 10', youll still probably see the individual pixels

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, at 100 inches a single 8x8 macroblock at 1920x1080 is almost 2 inches wide :)

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wagnerrp:

hell, at 8', i can see individual pixels on my 26" 720p tv

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iamlindoro_:

erm, excuse me, my ath was off, 720x480 at 100 inches, macroblock one inch wide

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iamlindoro_:

er math

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iamlindoro_:

Still, yucky :)

[20:56:26]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, SD is always going to look terrible on such screens anyway

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iamlindoro_:

7.2 dpi horizontal. Oy!

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wagnerrp:

well look at 2K digital theaters

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wagnerrp:

thats got to be at least 30' wide

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wagnerrp:

5.5dpi

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Xklark:

Woot! got it working!

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iamlindoro_:

HEh

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Xklark:

it was directory permission issues

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, but people gloss over it because there's no nasty film artifacts, so it probably balances out

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its all uncompressed

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iamlindoro_:

and no random hairs from the teen projector kid :)

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wagnerrp:

no spliced in porn though...

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wagnerrp:

no pre-screenings either

[21:01:51]

wagnerrp:

the RSA keys for those things are time coded

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iamlindoro_:

There are 8 bond movies coming on Bluray this month, sooo excited about that one... mastered at 4K from what I understand

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iamlindoro_:

Freshly remastered, I should say

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wagnerrp:

do you know if you can rip the disk image in linux, to be decrypted by anydvd in windows?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: That's a good question... I haven't tried, but theoretically, I guess

[21:04:20]

iamlindoro_:

dd the disk, mount it with a loopback in windows, copy off the files you like

[21:04:27]

wagnerrp:

i havent bought any disks in about two years

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wagnerrp:

i didnt want to continue buying dvds, but i didnt want to pick up BR/HD until one of them won, and i had a ROM drive

[21:05:26]

RyeBrye:

The 1.5 TB seagate drives are in stock at newegg now – for anyone who has been waiting for one

[21:05:33]

wagnerrp:

i can just toss linux onto my ps3, but i doubt it would have enough memory to run wine, anydvd, and all the other necessary programs to decode locally

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wagnerrp:

awesome! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire

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directhex:

wagnerrp, wine?

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directhex:

wagnerrp, i don't think you understand what wine does

[21:12:31]

wagnerrp:

well its got to have some amount of translation libraries

[21:12:41]

wagnerrp:

i realize it doesnt run an entire system

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directhex:

it'll run all the powerpc windows applications your heart could desire

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directhex:

¬_¬

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wagnerrp:

oh... only works on x86

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wagnerrp:

right, forgot about that

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directhex:

wagnerrp, no, it runs on anything, but you need apps that would work on windows on the same arch

[21:14:05]

directhex:

so ppc windows apps!

[21:14:25]

wagnerrp:

they make an alpha port for wine?

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directhex:

alpha's another arch entirely

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wagnerrp:

but there were older versions of windows written for alpha

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directhex:

yes

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wagnerrp:

or itaniums

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directhex:

and itanium

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wagnerrp:

i suppose ive got my one copy of the Ricky Bobby Masterpiece i can test on (ripping an image to decrypt in windows)

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iamlindoro_:

That was the first BD50 movie as I recall, bitrate ought to be pretty nice (one hopes)

[21:21:16]

iamlindoro_:

And that they didn't just fill the extra space with Mountain Dew ads or something

[21:21:18]

Gimmpy:

hi all, i'm trying to get udevinfo -a -p $(udevin -q patp-n /dev/input/event6) and i get node name not found, but i can see the node and cat it's output. what am i missing

[21:21:23]

wagnerrp:

bitrate would be high, but its probably mpeg2

[21:21:36]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Who do you think that?

[21:21:51]

wagnerrp:

just assuming, since its one of the earlier disks

[21:22:04]

iamlindoro_:

(it is MPEG-2, btw)

[21:22:12]

iamlindoro_:

just wondered what drew you to that conclusion

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wagnerrp:

blind assumption, but it seems like a good one at the time\

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iamlindoro_:

That said, I'll happily take a 40 Mbit MPEG-2 blu ray rip over an h.264 one

[21:22:57]

iamlindoro_:

As I know I can get that playing just about anywhere

[21:23:17]

iamlindoro_:

That will change if we ever see any h.264 decode improvements, but for now, meh, who cares

[21:24:05]

wagnerrp:

well the other problem is that my current frontend has almost no chance to decode a straight BR movie

[21:24:23]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if i could actually handle 40mbps mpeg2 without setting up xvmc

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iamlindoro_:

Debate off! Debate on! Debate off! Debate back on!

[21:25:41]

iamlindoro_:

So... yeah. Debate back on.

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dustybin:

what is the difference between a CPU and a GPU architecture wise?

[21:26:09]

wagnerrp:

everything

[21:26:19]

dustybin:

they are both processing units?

[21:26:28]

dustybin:

they both process numbers?

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directhex:

erm, yes. in the same way a hellicopter and a skateboard are both vehicles

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wagnerrp:

basically, a GPU is a massively parallel FP unit

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dustybin:

how about a APU, AUDIO PROCESSING UNIT

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directhex:

wagnerrp, trivially parallel. vector processing, not general smp

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wagnerrp:

a CPU is an integer unit, with some FP and vector units tacked on for good measure

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dustybin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

GPUs really have little integer or logic support

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dustybin:

DSP = audio processing ?

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** directhex thinks instruction dispatch is probably the bigger issue versus where and how many floating point units there are **

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dustybin:

why dont nvidia just stick a c2d on top of its graphic cards

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Dagmar:

Because they don't do poly calculation well

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wagnerrp:

completely different type of processor

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directhex:

dustybin, because a cpu isn't very good at doing hraphics the way they're programmed these days

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dustybin:

ok

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directhex:

dustybin, remember hardware vs software rendering in old games?

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dustybin:

nope

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directhex:

kids ¬_¬

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wagnerrp:

the closest youre going to get is larrabee, which is effectively a hideously overclocked pentium 1, with a bunch of FP units attached

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directhex:

okay, simple terms for you.

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directhex:

floating point operations.

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directhex:

a core 2 duo, per core, per hz, can do 4 floating point operations – making a 3ghz core 2 quad capable of 48 GFLOPS (billions of floating point ops per second)

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dustybin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

a 3yr old Cell can do 216 GFlops (single precision)

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wagnerrp:

the latest graphics cards are reporting upwards of 1 TFlop

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dustybin:

jeeze

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directhex:

a geforce gtx 280 has 240 "cores"

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dustybin:

so h264 requires flops

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directhex:

at 600mhz

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Dagmar:

Well, FOUR of them can at any rate

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Dagmar:

They're about to set up one of those at the school I work at actually

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: the TESLA boxes are claiming several TFlops

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wagnerrp:

the 4-way one is

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

I've heard

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wagnerrp:

of course for most applications, theres not a whole lot of use for that kind of power without bulk memory to back it up

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Dagmar:

BTW, when I say "they" I'm talking about some students with a little too much petty cash in their pockets

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orkid:

is there a way to get rid of OSD slowing everything down while using nvidia 6200 xvmc HD ? :)

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iamlindoro_:

MOAR HARDWAREZ?

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directhex:

tesla? what's that? =>

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Dagmar:

orkid: Flip the OpenGL switch for the overlay

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orkid:

?

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directhex:

[jms@durandal ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep -c "nVidia Corporation Unknown device 05be"

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directhex:

10

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orkid:

video rendered: xvmc-opengl

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orkid:

osd renderer: opengl

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orkid:

osd is checkmarked

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Dagmar:

directhex: Update yer pci.ids file

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wagnerrp:

our cluster at work theoretically would hit a couple TF, it might run about 1TF in practical applications, but its got some 800GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

the last job i ran up there used nearly 300GB just for program storage

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directhex:

Dagmar, doesn't help. those people at the pciids site haven't verified my entry yet

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Wat card did you spend a fortune on?

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wagnerrp:

in comparison, these Cell and GPU systems dont have anything like that kind of memory

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orkid:

Dagmar: so what do i flip?

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iamlindoro_:

Watch out or he'll tell you

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Dagmar:

orkid: I don't teach people to read

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directhex:

oh wait, lies

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directhex:

0e:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation Tesla S870 (rev a2)

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directhex:

10:00.0 3D controller: nVidia Corporation Tesla S870 (Compute Server Component) (rev a2)

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

You bastard

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orkid:

Dagmar: i have video renderer: xmv-opengl, osd renderer: opengl, and osd: checkmarked

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orkid:

...

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Dagmar:

I have a coffee.

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Dagmar:

One of us is enjoying ours more.

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directhex:

Dagmar, how about this one in a different box: 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 05e7 (rev a1)

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wagnerrp:

going to be digging into CUDA then?

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orkid:

i've read some articles on the wiki, but some indicate that osd with 6200 is not good

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think he just wants to be able to run the new Crysis

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orkid:

u mean 'opengl' for overlay in xorg.conf ?

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, directhex, you must have a bank holiday or something coming up where you can whip us up a little h.264 decoder, no?

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wagnerrp:

the osd on the 6200 shouldnt be any different than the osd on any other nvidia card

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, yeah, but it'll only work on tesla cards. deal?

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iamlindoro_:

I guess so, I'll take the hope of a port over no hope at all

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directhex:

[jms@clearspeed release]$ ./deviceQuery

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directhex:

There is 1 device supporting CUDA

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directhex:

Device 0: "GT200"

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ldiamond:

I'm looking for a good TV tuner/recorder that works with mythtv

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ldiamond:

the cheaper the better

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iamlindoro_:

I'm looking for a fruit that contains vitamins

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ldiamond:

I only need one input

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ldiamond:

Anyone have suggestions?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: All fruit does

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone know a car that has wheels?

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wagnerrp:

ldiamond: what is your purpose?

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ldiamond:

Watching + recording TV.

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justinh:

my car has wheels! yay! get a car like mine!

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Dagmar:

From what source

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iamlindoro_:

*facepalm*

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Dagmar:

justinh: I drive a scooter now. :)

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wagnerrp:

youve got half a dozen different sources here

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ldiamond:

cable TV

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justinh:

watching tv == recording tv with mythtv

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Dagmar:

it r teh funns

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ldiamond:

its digital cable TV

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iamlindoro_:

*facepalm again*

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Digital or analog cable?

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wagnerrp:

youve still got 2 sources

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ldiamond:

digital

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wagnerrp:

limit further

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** iamlindoro_ loves it when you have to do oral surgery to get useful information out of people **

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Dagmar:

Then you'll want a PVR-150 or an HD-PVR if you're BOTH very brave AND very well versed with compiling things from source

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wagnerrp:

north america, or otherwise?

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Dagmar:

Both made by Hauppauge

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Dagmar:

The HD-PVR doesn't exactly qualify as "cheap" tho so I'd give it another 2–3 months.

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Dagmar:

The PVR-150 you should be able to get for ~$50 no problem

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Dagmar:

Do NOT buy anything that uses a Brooktree chipset, i.e., "a framegrabber"

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Dagmar:

bt8x8 chipset == obsolete. You no want.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you could be rambling on and on to someone who needs a DVB-C and CI card

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: He's in Canada

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

nevermind then

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** directhex blames canada **

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, if he does then that's what he gets for not bothering to do his own research

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Dagmar:

...but I'm pretty sure Canada's TVs are mostly the same as in the US.

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Dagmar:

All the channel callsigns just end in A

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wagnerrp:

pretty much all of NA follows NTSC/ATSC

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iamlindoro_:

And even less chance of having usable firewire, poor fucks

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Dagmar:

Like, ESPN, eh?

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ldiamond:

I did some research. But I have no idea what companies do good tv tuners/recorders

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ldiamond:

All I know is hauppauge

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** Dagmar snickers. **

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: THat's probably 90% of the market, man

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iamlindoro_:

Did you do research on primate mating or something?

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iamlindoro_:

OK, new bullet point

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wagnerrp:

go for K-World!

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Dagmar:

Yedhc no

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iamlindoro_:

If you do research, make sure to do it on the thing you're trying to learn about

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Dagmar:

Not unless you're going to put the thing into a Jaton or PCCHips board and then drop it on someone from a third-story window

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ldiamond:

All I need is a good quality NTSC tuner/recorder that is also cheap

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iamlindoro_:

oh, and make sure to actually *do* it instead of saying you did

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: $50 is cheap

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Dagmar:

Below that and you start getting into "why bother getting up in the morning territory"

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iamlindoro_:

Do you get a ferrari for the price of a Ford Focus? No.

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orkid:

wtf. i changed my xvmc-opengl to xvmc-blit and chromakey osd, but my osd is still not in color :S

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ldiamond:

iamlindoro, just shut it.

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iamlindoro_:

You can have a ferrari, or pay for a focus. Choose.

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Dagmar:

orkid: KNown bug. Long documented. wiki.mythtv.org

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orkid:

tx

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ldiamond:

I didnt say I want a damn HD 1080p recorder with hardware H264 support for 50$

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I think you've got that backwards

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iamlindoro_:

lick my nads, Nanook

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orkid:

Option "XvmcUsesTextures" "false" # necessary for color Chromakey OSD) already is set

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Understand that for digital cable, if you want to record in HD, the HD-PVR is pretty much your ONLY option

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wagnerrp:

ldiamond: i do

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ldiamond:

I dont want to record in HD

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orkid:

composite is disabled as well

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Dagmar:

It's supported status is just a bit ouchy at the moment still

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ldiamond:

I got digital cable, which is most likely encrypted, so I'll use the Svideo out or use the analog cable

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: THen basically your options are PVR-150, a PVR-150, or a PVR-150.

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Dagmar:

Very simple actaully

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ldiamond:

What about USB?

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directhex:

Dagmar, or a lamegrabber!

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ldiamond:

anything decent there?

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iamlindoro_:

PVR-USB

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directhex:

Dagmar, then he'll come back in a fortnight moaning about how it sucks!

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iamlindoro_:

er PVR2-USB

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: If you feel like braving the v4l site to find one that claims it's supported, go for it

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Dagmar:

It won't be cheaper

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: which will of course be the fault of the channel, btw

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Dagmar:

It'll be close tho

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directhex:

iamlindoro, naturellement

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iamlindoro_:

"Why does myth make my TV look like shit?"

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iamlindoro_:

Why doesn't it look *exactly* like when I plug in to the TV??

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: My parents don't notice a damn thing

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Dagmar:

I was over their place last week fixing something.

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Your parents and the average #mythtv-users dillhole are different focus groups

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wagnerrp:

should really put a recommended cards list on the wiki...

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wagnerrp:

hide the link somewhere in the topic

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Dagmar:

They've got a pretty new large LCD panel on the wall, and the HD PVR box DishNetwork sends out, and connecting them is a red/yellow/white cable

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: no, my parents are probably smarter. They're just half-blind

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: one of my friends went to his grandpa's house only to find their satellite looking like shit

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ldiamond:

Is that decent? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr850.html

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Aside from being useless for what you wanted?

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wagnerrp:

turns out when the directtv people installed it 2 years previous, they had put the STB in 480p mode

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: If you're going to just throw random links at us and ask us to look at them, you probably don't want to look at the image links we're going to start throwing back at you

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RyeBrye:

PVR-150

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RyeBrye:

get it. done.

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RyeBrye:

pVR-500 if you need 2 tuners in 1 PCI slot.

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Your options (again) are PVR-150, PVR-150, and PVR-150. And maybe a PVR-USB2 if you're just completely out of PCI slots

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wagnerrp:

of course its getting hard to find these days

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Digital cable, so no. PVR-500 would be a waste

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RyeBrye:

oh

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wagnerrp:

fleabay and creigslist tend to be the only source

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RyeBrye:

Ok, if you have 1 STB – the PVR150 is the option

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Dagmar:

froogle can find them

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: unless of course, he wanted 2STBs

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Dagmar:

I figured he'd say so if he had two

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ldiamond:

Dagmar, how is the hvr850 useless?

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wagnerrp:

you assumes you would get information unasked?

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Because it's freaking ATSC and you're doing digital cable

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Dagmar:

...meaning you're not tuning a damn thing in with an antenna.

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ldiamond:

Dagmar, as I said, I have digital cable, but its encrypted

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Dagmar:

No shit, really?

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RyeBrye:

There is nothing that will decrypt it

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ldiamond:

I have to go through my set top box

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Dagmar:

We've never heard about anyone burying their cable box in a crypt

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ldiamond:

Which means NTSC video will be going out to the tv tuner

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Dagmar:

You will be patching the composite (or s-video preferably) output of your digital cable box into the tuner card and using an IR blaster to change channels

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directhex:

ldiamond, so you want something to capture analog, not ATSC

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ldiamond:

Exactly

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ldiamond:

I never talked about ATSC

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ldiamond:

or QAM

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directhex:

ldiamond, so you want not a hvr850, which is an atsc tuner, as you've been told

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wagnerrp:

the 850 is ATSC

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Dagmar:

Jesus read the damn pages before throwing them at uys

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ldiamond:

Analog cable TV tuner built-in

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iamlindoro_:

!trout fucksticks

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** MythLogBot slaps fucksticks with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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ldiamond:

Thats written on hauppauge page.

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: We didnt' just start doing this last week, just sos you'll know

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directhex:

svideo != analog cable

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Dagmar:

Most of us have been at this for months if not years

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wagnerrp:

ldiamond: ideally, you want svideo inputs, you dont want an RF input

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wagnerrp:

RF bad, svideo GOOD!

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RyeBrye:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html That card you want

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Dagmar:

we DO know that of which we are speaking

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Dagmar:

If there were someone here telling you something insane, we'

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Dagmar:

we'd be jumping on their heads about it

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ldiamond:

So the 850 works, its just that the video will be lower quality.

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ldiamond:

thats all you had to say

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wagnerrp:

except... it doesnt have an mpeg encoder

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ldiamond:

but the thing is... my TV is already low quality, so will I see any difference?

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wagnerrp:

it is a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

not something you want to have to deal with

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Dagmar:

You mean other htan for having wasted money paying for ATSC tuners you didn't need?

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RyeBrye:

http://www.google.com/products?q=PVR-150%20Hauppauge

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ldiamond:

Dagmar, its 10$ more expensive but USB

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: And LESS functional

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ldiamond:

RyeBrye, I've seen it.

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Dagmar:

Let's not forget that

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ldiamond:

But I might need something USB

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RyeBrye:

So do you have PCI or do you not have PCI?

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ldiamond:

right now I have 1 left.

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ldiamond:

and in my new computer, I might not.

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Dagmar:

What could possibly be using up all the slots

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directhex:

there's more to a framegrabber than crap video quality

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directhex:

there's the interop ptoblem

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ldiamond:

A wifi card

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ldiamond:

a Raid card

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wagnerrp:

well if you ABSOLUTELY need USB, get a 1950

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directhex:

raid via 32-bit pci? O_o

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Dagmar:

SO buy a board with three PCI slots

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directhex:

anyway, downsides to using a framegrabber would be (for example) the inability to use recorded files in anything other than mythtv

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wagnerrp:

run wires, drop the wifi card

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RyeBrye:

HD-PVR is USB, but you wouldn't like it the way it is working right now.

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directhex:

wagnerrp, use usb, so your antenna is somewhere away from the back of an EM radiation generator?

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RyeBrye:

it will capture from s-video right now too

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: He has an SD TV so it would be overkill anyway'

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directhex:

you'll also spend ages fighting audio muting problems

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, it woudl be – but technically it would get the job done... if he wanted to spend too much money and get a product with alpha-level drivers

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1950 is an mpeg encoder, with various inputs, and USB

[22:04:00]

wagnerrp:

but its $150

[22:04:07]

wagnerrp:

for USB, we cant recommend anything less

[22:04:25]

ldiamond:

I see

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sutula:

"Spoken like a true gent" :)

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Good.

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Dagmar:

We're not jerking you around.

[22:06:10]

ldiamond:

I didnt say so.

[22:06:19]

Dagmar:

Blessedly, this is a space where depending on what you're trying to record from leaves you a very small number of options.

[22:06:26]

ldiamond:

I'm still looking for alternatives

[22:06:39]

ldiamond:

you're telling me theres 1 product in the world that fits my very simple needs.

[22:06:47]

Dagmar:

I know you're seeing all kinds of devices through your searches, but there's literally only 2–3 that are going to be useful for any specific case

[22:07:19]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: I'm telling you there's two actually, and one would be overkill since you "only" have an SD TV and it's much more expensive than the other

[22:07:43]

ldiamond:

With all these companies making tv tuners/recorders, how can they all be bad?

[22:07:51]

Dagmar:

Me, i have analog cable and I'm using a PVR-500, which is basically two PVR-150's squished into one PCI card

[22:08:18]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: because most of them with the exception of Hauppage's cards are what's called "framegrabbers"

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Dagmar:

They allocate a buffer (yes I'm oversimplifying you pedants) of video memory where they just write the raw video picture into over and over

[22:09:02]

Dagmar:

The computer has to very quickly grab those images, and then compress them, which means this is a VERY cpu-intensive operation.

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directhex:

(and the output is not interoperable)

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Dagmar:

The PVR cards are hardware accellerated, by which I mean the driver tells them what channel to tune to, and they do the compression to MPEG *for* you, so the driver just gets handed an MPEG stream, which is VERY easy to record to disk.

[22:10:05]

Dagmar:

This is just insanely less trouble than a framegrabber.

[22:10:17]

Dagmar:

The phrase "the difference between day and night" falls a bit short, IMHO.

[22:10:41]

Dagmar:

For ~$50 you just can't beat that functionality for recording TV.

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clever:

my 1.6ghz has trouble frame grabbing

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clever:

my 400mhz has no trouble at all with a pvr-150

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Dagmar:

If you just want to *watch* the TV, you can get a whole bunch of different framegrabber-based cards, chuck one into the machine, and use TVTime instead of MythTV.

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clever:

massive difference

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Dagmar:

We heartily recommend TVTime for that because it's very very good for "just" watching TV.

[22:12:19]

Dagmar:

You know how at one point people moved between cities by sittig in wooden boxes pulled by horses?

[22:12:36]

Dagmar:

...and then some bright man invented the combustion engine and people were plowing cars into trees the next month?

[22:12:41]

Dagmar:

The PVR card is like that.

[22:12:49]

directhex:

a crashed car?

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Dagmar:

Hardware accellerated MPEG encoding > *

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clever:

a frame grabber is still good as a 2nd card when im too lazy to buy more pvr-150's

[22:13:09]

clever:

since i allwasy own it

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Dagmar:

directhex: Yes, but they did it faster than ever. That's the HD_PVR by the way. ;)

[22:13:26]

ldiamond:

Dagmar, I'm aware of the fact that hardware accelerated mpeg encoding is better than framegrabbing

[22:13:31]

ldiamond:

but ONLY hauppauge makes that..?

[22:13:34]

Dagmar:

"better" doesn't really cover it

[22:13:43]

wagnerrp:

not only hauppauge, but they are the primary

[22:13:48]

Dagmar:

ldiamond: They're one of the very few you can get *drivers* for

[22:13:51]

wagnerrp:

look for things supported by IVTV

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Dagmar:

...an there's very few other people making them

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wagnerrp:

theres a handful of non-hauppauge things on the list

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ldiamond:

that sucks

[22:14:26]

Dagmar:

...most of which are meant for TV studios and tend to start at $150 and go up by adding zeros

[22:14:33]

Dagmar:

Not really

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Dagmar:

The Hauppauge cards kick assl.

[22:15:06]

Dagmar:

This is one of those cases where it's _almost_ a monopoly because one company is just way way ahead of everyone else

[22:15:26]

Dagmar:

If it weren't for them I wouldn't care if France fell into a big hole

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wagnerrp:

there are arguments about their video quality, but theyre just so damned easy to use

[22:16:04]

ldiamond:

well, video quality is pretty important tho.

[22:16:08]

directhex:

isnt hauppauge from NY?

[22:16:12]

dustybin:

<3 my nova-t 500

[22:16:21]

Dagmar:

The video quality issues are generally solved by taking it back to the store and replacing it

[22:16:34]

Dagmar:

directhex: I always assumed they origined in France

[22:16:45]

Dagmar:

If that's the case then fuck France *and* their stinky cheese

[22:16:46]

directhex:

Hauppauge Computer Works, or just Hauppauge (IPA: [ˈˈhɔːpɒɡ]) for short, is a United States manufacturer and marketer of electronic video hardware for personal computers.

[22:16:48]

ldiamond:

well, if the store is online then its harder.

[22:17:34]

ldiamond:

Making mpeg2 hardware encoders shouldnt be that hard anyways, why does everyone else suck at it.

[22:17:36]

directhex:

Dagmar, i dunno, it seems you yanks are looking to france for lessons on running a free-market capitalism these days

[22:17:51]

directhex:

ldiamond, look around you. lots of companies make it their business to suck

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wagnerrp:

mainly because theyre more expensive than framegrabbers

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ldiamond:

directhex, true

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Dagmar:

directhex: Dunno about that. Seems like a lot of people with their heads too far up their asses to see France.

[22:20:05]

ldiamond:

What's France?

[22:20:14]

Dagmar:

Like, McCain and Obama look like they're about to postpone the debate on Friday to go bust heads in DC

[22:20:27]

directhex:

Dagmar, 700 billion dollars of state-owned financial institutions? i mean, that might only be worth 12 euros these days, but still

[22:20:36]

Dagmar:

It was downright weird on Monday to see them saying almost the exact same things to the press

[22:20:51]

Dagmar:

Not state-owned.

[22:20:58]

Dagmar:

That's kind of one of the problems they're trying to avoid.

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directhex:

pfft

[22:21:25]

Dagmar:

Clearly a culture of "whatever we can get away with" has developed and it needs to be burned out

[22:21:26]

directhex:

"here, you can have all this tax money, and we take a majority stake, but you're not state owned"

[22:21:29]

Dagmar:

...with torches.

[22:21:42]

directhex:

"the state just gets to tell you what to do"

[22:22:01]

Dagmar:

Those guys are going to have so much regulatory activity their CEOs won't be able to take a leak without filing paperwork

[22:22:36]

Dagmar:

They've been diddling balance sheets and the risk calculation engines to their short-term benefit for far too long

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directhex:

yet, ironicly, the paperwork mandates that the guys in government may not be argued with, or any oversight given to their methods

[22:23:14]

Dagmar:

Like, they're required by law to take certain actions based on risk calculations, but they've been fudging and oversimplifying the numbers that were fed into those

[22:23:21]

Dagmar:

SOme people are probably going to be going to jail for that by itself

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directhex:

yeah, like anyone gets sent to jail for white collar crime

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Dagmar:

directhex: It's that they don't want any blank checks written is apparently why Obama and McCain are about to put things on hold for a bit

[22:23:59]

directhex:

i hear the government stooges behind the s&l collapse got away with only a slapped wrist.

[22:24:23]

directhex:

what was one of the keating 5's name again? i forget

[22:24:32]

directhex:

real dodgy fella. helped tank a bank, all on his ownsome

[22:24:33]

Dagmar:

No idea.

[22:24:35]

Dagmar:

My money is in gold now

[22:24:43]

directhex:

OH THAT'S RIGHT! John McCain (R-AZ)

[22:24:53]

Dagmar:

For me the next step is to transfer some of it into guns.

[22:25:01]

dustybin:

what should happen now is another world war so lots of people die, lots of stuff goes back to zero, then everything can build up again

[22:25:11]

orkid:

Dagmar: the problem was I was using amd64 agp gart and not nvidia's

[22:25:15]

Dagmar:

dustybin: clearly you've not been playing Spore

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dustybin:

heh no

[22:25:23]

orkid:

Dagmar: now i get color osd

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** directhex uses a planet buster on Dagmar **

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orkid:

if u care to know

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Dagmar:

orkid: honestly, go find the wiki page that talks about monochrome OSD and put mention of that on the Discussion page

[22:25:56]

directhex:

'Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".'

[22:26:04]

directhex:

over banking corruption that lost peoples' life savings

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Dagmar:

directhex: THat sounds like a campaign-ender to me

[22:26:14]

directhex:

THE MAN TO STOP THE CREDIT CRUNCH, KIDS! VOTE MCCAIN!

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Dagmar:

ALl the more reason for them to both hie thee to Washington and start kicking people around

[22:26:54]

orkid:

Dagmar: however, i now have issue with the video (ie. it fales, X is frozen it seems). i have to do some more work on this setup...

[22:27:00]

directhex:

Dagmar, give http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5 an ickle read.

[22:27:02]

Dagmar:

They can't spank around on this because it would be like firemen arguing about whether or not they should use nylon or wool-wrapped hoses while a condo is on fire

[22:27:24]

directhex:

mccain is an expert on failing banks, he knows what to do! \o/

[22:27:45]

Dagmar:

Well, it *can* be said that he has an insider's view on how one manages to fuck up on a grand scale

[22:28:00]

Dagmar:

He might not be able to fix it, but I bet by now he can spot stupid when he sees it

[22:28:09]

directhex:

Dagmar, a mirror?

[22:28:19]

Dagmar:

that would be "old and stupid"

[22:28:27]

Dagmar:

...or perhaps just "old"

[22:28:51]

Dagmar:

They're going to need a lot of people and a lot of work to ferret out all the stupid.

[22:29:06]

Dagmar:

Things are really, really fucked.

[22:29:18]

Dagmar:

Like, way more than anyone at CNN or any news outlet wants to talk about

[22:29:54]

Dagmar:

Any day now there's going to be panic commencing

[22:30:37]

directhex:

4 more years!

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Did you catch the little "I can't debate, I have to go SAVE TEH PEEPLZ" thing this afternoon?

[22:32:07]

directhex:

iamlindoro, yes. it's a smart move

[22:32:08]

Dagmar:

I saw it

[22:32:24]

directhex:

somewhere in the background is an excellent puppetmaster

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Heh, except he's already gone back on it

[22:32:52]

directhex:

iamlindoro, well, of course, but there are those who will still blame obama

[22:33:21]

iamlindoro:

Funniest headline I saw about it "Old white man runs from African American asking for change."

[22:33:30]

Dagmar:

lol

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directhex:

you know mccain will get in, right?

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Dagmar:

Not funny

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directhex:

i mean it

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iamlindoro:

If by in you mean "a coffin," then yes.

[22:34:17]

directhex:

iamlindoro, okay, so palin will be pres, then

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iamlindoro:

oh yay

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Dagmar:

Then that Palin chick would take over, and I'd be moving to Canada or the Uk

[22:34:30]

Dagmar:

Somwhere they speak proper English.

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directhex:

i hope you don;t get incest-raped any time in the next 8 years, girls!

[22:35:10]

iamlindoro:

and if you do, you can pay for the SART test, by moose

[22:35:36]

directhex:

isn't it something utterly mind-blowing like 1 in 6 who think obama really is the antichrist?

[22:35:43]

PatrickDK:

heh? if palin is pres I am going get raped? nice deal

[22:35:50]

Dagmar:

I think maybe McCain decided Palin would be the best way to avoid dying in office.

[22:36:00]

Dagmar:

It might keep the bullets away, but old age doesn't care.

[22:36:24]

Dagmar:

33% chance of simply falling over dead before the 4 years is up

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Obama's going to take this one

[22:36:35]

wagnerrp:

directhex: i dont think it would matter, considering you wouldnt be needing an abortion

[22:36:36]

directhex:

the sad thing is, obama's "base" (i.e. young people) are utterly un-dependable on vote day, whereas what you CAN rely on is people who say they're voting obama getting into the booth, and not backing a damn sand nigger when nobody's there to make them feel guilty for it

[22:36:54]

Dagmar:

backing a who?

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Dagmar:

He's not arabic.

[22:37:12]

Dagmar:

er arabian or arab or whatever it is

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PatrickDK:

or even a real black man

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iamlindoro:

I think he was making a point about the misconception

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Dagmar:

I have to say I'm counting on there being not QUITE that many breathtakingly stupid people in the US

[22:37:51]

Dagmar:

...or in the world population as a whole.

[22:37:53]

directhex:

Dagmar, who is president right now?

[22:38:07]

Dagmar:

Or the whole fluoride in the water thing has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[22:38:09]

directhex:

Dagmar, how many terms has he served?

[22:38:17]

PatrickDK:

mccain :)

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iamlindoro:

directhex, in fairness, Bush ran against the two least charismatic men on earth

[22:38:17]

Dagmar:

directhex: Panicky people, yes.

[22:38:25]

Dagmar:

That too

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wagnerrp:

how many people in florida couldnt figure out how to work a ballet?

[22:38:38]

Dagmar:

Gore's a nice guy, but a charismatic speaker... well...

[22:38:41]

directhex:

iamlindoro, i might've voted against gore's fuckwad veep too. worse than palin!

[22:38:47]

Dagmar:

He also didn't have The Penguin backing him up

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dustybin:

</politics>

[22:39:27]

iamlindoro:

directhex, ugh, don't get me started on that fuckwad

[22:39:33]

wagnerrp:

ive never heard that term before, but it just fits so well (penguin)

[22:39:51]

dustybin:

republicans ftw

[22:40:05]

directhex:

dustybin, 4 more wars! 4 more wars!

[22:40:17]

dustybin:

:P

[22:40:33]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, he's an evil mastermind, and he looks like one

[22:40:39]

dustybin:

then the end of earth, the human race will be wiped out

[22:40:44]

dustybin:

but then another race will take over

[22:40:44]

wagnerrp:

i was thinking more of the looks

[22:40:57]

wagnerrp:

i just suddenly got a very vivid image in my mind

[22:41:24]

directhex:

sometimes i think we have it bad with uk politics, but damn, the fact that mccain is polling in double figures blows my mind

[22:41:44]

Dagmar:

directhex: I think that's basically the fault of the polling system

[22:41:52]

Dagmar:

i.e., they're only calling old people with land lines who don't hang up on them

[22:42:12]

Dagmar:

That and hideously imbalanced polls don't sell papers or attract eyeballs.

[22:42:23]

directhex:

Dagmar, mccain still got 33% via xbox live polling

[22:42:37]

Dagmar:

Like, if the polls showed Obama at 85% and McCain at 5%, people would just quit watching.

[22:42:59]

iamlindoro:

directhex, From the FPS crowd?? noooooooo

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Dagmar:

directhex: You say this, and have participated in some public games on Xbox live, hearing what kind of people are on it?

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directhex:

Dagmar, teabagging corpses is one thing. voting mccain? that's sick

[22:43:48]

Dagmar:

If you put Bart Simpson in the poll on Xbox Live, he'd be ahead of Obama. Nuff said

[22:43:57]

Dagmar:

directhex: lol

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directhex:

obama was on 43 iirc

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dustybin:

the _WHOLE_ dam thing is rigged, dont believe any of it

[22:44:17]

directhex:

* Obama \ Biden: 43%

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directhex:

* McCain \ Palin: 31%

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directhex:

* Undecided: 13%

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directhex:

* Other: 13%

[22:44:27]

Dagmar:

I have to say I teabagged a boss in WoW last week because he killed my pet four times

[22:44:33]

iamlindoro:

Not of voting age: 99%

[22:44:43]

Dagmar:

I was a wee bit pissed about spending most of the fight resurrecting my cat

[22:44:45]

directhex:

iamlindoro, shhhh!

[22:45:02]

directhex:

i had a pet pig when i played guild wars. i named him lord pigulon.

[22:45:10]

Dagmar:

I have a Core Hound on the test server.

[22:45:24]

Dagmar:

I'm naming him "PUddles"

[22:45:24]

iamlindoro:

Can I haz Hypnotoad?

[22:45:32]

Dagmar:

He's just OMGLARGE and breathes green lava

[22:45:43]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I don't think that exotic pet is in yet

[22:45:43]

directhex:

lord albert pigulon, the porcine avenger

[22:46:06]

Dagmar:

However, I've already decided at least one of my pet slots is going to be taking on a baby polar bear

[22:46:14]

Dagmar:

...just because of the humiliation factor.

[22:46:29]

directhex:

55,000 voter reg forms applied for via xbox live

[22:46:35]

Dagmar:

...or possibly the chimpanzee IF and only IF they give it the special "Fling poo" ranged attack

[22:46:49]

directhex:

25,000 downloads of the convention videos

[22:47:04]

dustybin:

mmm makes a nice change sitting on a normal chair on my desktop instead of hunched up on a laptop

[22:47:38]

dustybin:

im sick of gentoo, im not learning anything from it, it just wastes my time

[22:47:48]

Dagmar:

directhex: I got not one but two cross faction players mailing me about them dying to me in a battleground because they were too busy laughing at my pet name

[22:47:49]

** dustybin prepares to remove and install debian lenny **

[22:48:11]

directhex:

hallelujah

[22:48:38]

Dagmar:

..and that was the gorilla named "Spanksalot"

[22:48:51]

Dagmar:

Unfair advantage? Maybe.

[22:49:01]

Dagmar:

GMs didn't much care for it.

[22:49:02]

Dagmar:

heh

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dustybin:

what model/laptops are you guys using at the moment?

[22:49:55]

iamlindoro:

Macbook Air. Macbook Pro.

[22:49:58]

Dagmar:

Sony VAIO VGN-FJ370

[22:50:07]

dustybin:

eek Sony

[22:50:24]

Dagmar:

Hey all the hardware works with Linux

[22:50:31]

Dagmar:

Centrino at least helps that much

[22:50:36]

dustybin:

I got a Macbook Pro, waste of a good machine as i only use it for surfing + IRC

[22:50:51]

dustybin:

Dagmar: i thought you might of had a stinkpad

[22:51:38]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: so your running leopard? 10.5 ?

[22:51:43]

dustybin:

11.5

[22:51:47]

iamlindoro:

10.5. Yes.

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** directhex has a dell e4300 on order **

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: tabbed terminals are nice

[22:52:47]

dustybin:

the terminus font on leopard looks awesome

[22:52:49]

iamlindoro:

I use a shitload of non tabbed terminals across four spaces

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dustybin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, just makes more sense in my head

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: have you installed mac ports

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Dagmar:

Used to have one.

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Dagmar:

...a LONG while back

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, No. I don't care to cruft up my Mac with random stuff.

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

i dislike being able to play FLACs etc on my mac

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iamlindoro:

I do my hacky play on my linux boxes... I go to my macs for a breath of fresh air when I just want it to look pretty/be simple

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directhex:

bedtime.

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iamlindoro:

Now, let's see if Fox dicked the broadcast of Fringe last night as badly as Terminator this week

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dustybin:

if i save a file over NFS on my Macbook Pro and view that file on my server, it says this

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dustybin:

drwxrwxrwt 3 501 dialout 4096 2008-09–13 10:50 .TemporaryItems

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dustybin:

i could create a new user with id 501 and call it 'osx'

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dustybin:

what can i do to change the group? because dialout already exists

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directhex:

erm... change the entries on your mac

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directhex:

nfs respects the UID/GID of the nfs client

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directhex:

if the numbers don't match up on all machines, you get inconsistencies

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Dagmar:

It's somewhat assumed that if you're doing NFS you're also either manually synching userlists or you're using LDAP

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dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

...or you're just exporting read-only

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fish_:

uhmm, is there a external channel editor tool? i dont want to scroll through all my >1000 channels for find all my wanted channels..

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dustybin:

maybe i could copy my /etc/passwd and /etc/group file onto my mac

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dustybin:

(then watch it die)

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Dagmar:

dustybin: You could always play the "Lets drink something from under the sink" game

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dustybin:

LOL

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GreyFoxx:

fish: mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, LOL

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: i tried to avoid mythweb (its php and the README sounds like an php app -> it sucks ;)) but i'll give it a try

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Dagmar:

Suprise! It *is* a PHP app

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb rocks

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iamlindoro:

mythweb is fucking brilliant

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iamlindoro:

For scheduling, mythweb wipes the floor with mythfrontend proper IMO

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Ryushin:

Myth would not be nearly as nice without mythweb.

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fish_:

Dagmar: well yes, i know its a php app. but i have prejustices about php apps and i fellt confirmed about that while reading the README ;)

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Ryushin:

Mucho congrats to xris for making it.

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Ryushin:

fish_: Be glad it wasn't a .net or asp app.

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Ryushin:

Or ick, a java app.

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fish_:

Ryushin: dont know if that would be worse ;P

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iamlindoro:

You probably ought to try before you slag on it

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Ryushin:

I like LAMP far more than .net's world.

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Ryushin:

Yea, I'm opinionated there.

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fish_:

iamlindoro: well, trying it is not enough. i should try to break it... ;)

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iamlindoro:

Oh no, one of those

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iamlindoro:

It's not enough for it to work and work well... it's got to eat thunder and shit lightning too

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fish_:

yes, that the php attitude "at least, it works!" ;)

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Ryushin:

On a happy note for me, after 5 years I've ordered myself a new thinkpad. I'm stoked.

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iamlindoro:

Where do you live? I'm going to come to your house and tell you that only pussies choose $PaintColor

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Ryushin:

Now to get debian to work on it.

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fish_:

iamlindoro: well, if you have some good arguments

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mattwj2002:

hey everyone

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mattwj2002:

anyone know if Linux will support a 1.5 TB hard drive?

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iamlindoro:

What's to support?

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iamlindoro:

It's just another SATA device

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mattwj2002:

well I know that some computers have problems with really big drives

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iamlindoro:

Anything that supports SATA will support a SATA device. Only *possible* need would be a firmware update, but that shouldn't be remotely necessary either

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iamlindoro:

nothing related to Linux, though

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mattwj2002:

okay cool

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dustybin:

my UPS just made a click noise then a buzzing sound, then clicked off

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dustybin:

WTF was that

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mattwj2002:

I'll probably have to buy a SATA card

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mattwj2002:

that computer only has EIDE

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mattwj2002:

but how sweet would be 1.5 TB?

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mattwj2002:

:D

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it'd feel like 1/10ths of my Myth array

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iamlindoro:

;

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iamlindoro:

;)

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mattwj2002:

:O

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mattwj2002:

you have 15 TB?

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mattwj2002:

:S

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mattwj2002:

:O

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mattwj2002:

:D

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iamlindoro:

13, I rounded up :)

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iamlindoro:

13 x 1 TB

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mattwj2002:

what are you saving on that?

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mattwj2002:

pure HD?

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iamlindoro:

untranscoded blu-ray and HD-DVD

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iamlindoro:

15–35 GB per movie fills space quick :)

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mattwj2002:

good point but still geez

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iamlindoro:

I likes my pretties

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mattwj2002:

I want 1.5 for recording HDTV shows and files

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, 9 is for mythvideo, in RAID 6, so 7 Usable... the other 4 TB is for recordings/Music/Games/etc.

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mattwj2002:

still must be nice

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mattwj2002:

:)

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iamlindoro:

it is ;)

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iamlindoro:

I am planning long term, too, this has to last a *while*

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iamlindoro:

I don't intend to replace this until 3–5 TB disks are available

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mattwj2002:

are you using Knoppmyth, Mythbuntu or home brewed?

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Are those the only three options?

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mattwj2002:

only two I could think of

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mattwj2002:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Myth myth boxes are mostly Ubuntu and Debian

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mattwj2002:

I am thinking about being lazy and just doing mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

nothing wrong with mythbuntu at all

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iamlindoro:

I think it's fantastic

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dustybin:

the myth bit is good, the buntu side is...

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iamlindoro:

So long as people take the time to learn how the pieces fit together

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mattwj2002:

I am using ubuntu right now

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mattwj2002:

:)

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you don't know enough to get be elitist about it

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iamlindoro:

er get to be

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dustybin:

ubuntu is ideal for a frontend because of latest kernels / software etc

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mattwj2002:

yup

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mattwj2002:

I am a huge ubuntu fan

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dustybin:

but id rather debian testing anyday

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dustybin:

infact debian unstable is like ubuntu

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mattwj2002:

I know a lot of people don't like it because they think it is beginners linux

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iamlindoro:

except far less well maintained

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mattwj2002:

but I like the hardware support

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iamlindoro:

example-- good luck finding even .21-fixes packaged for debian

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mattwj2002:

yeah good point

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iamlindoro:

Debian is awesome, and I build tons of systems off of it-- but it's important to be realistic

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: there in unstable repo

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iamlindoro:

If you put myth on Debian, you're building it yourself, or your packages will be six months out of date

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dustybin:

6 monnths? more like 2 years lol

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, wrong... even debian multimedia doesn't have -fixes

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dustybin:

oh

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iamlindoro:

don't make arguments when you don't know if you're right ;)

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iamlindoro:

That's why we always end up sussing it out when someone comes in here with debian-multimedia packages

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iamlindoro:

Because they can't play DVDs, it makes the frontend crash

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dustybin:

thats me!

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mattwj2002:

man I want more storage

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mattwj2002:

:)

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dustybin:

but i dont use packages

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dustybin:

i compile

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iamlindoro:

Which is a pretty good sign one is using .21 and not -fixes

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dustybin:

im using the very latest svn fixes and dvds dont play properly

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iamlindoro:

alas, you've broken something else

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iamlindoro:

Everything's shiny here

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dustybin:

18404

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dustybin:

thats using the internal player

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iamlindoro:

As you should be

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dustybin:

odd

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iamlindoro:

Maybe your little HP is gefucktet

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mattwj2002:

what is 18404?

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GreyFoxx:

paste an error log to pastebin.ca

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iamlindoro:

mattwj2002, a revision number

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dustybin:

nope this is on my main frontend / backend combo

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: there are no errors, the video just speeds and slows, goes out of sync

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dustybin:

ill need to test with some more DVDs

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Have you done anything silly/strange like over/underclocking the bus/CPU?

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dustybin:

nope

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dustybin:

this is the box

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GreyFoxx:

You are the only one I've ever heard report that particular problem

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dustybin:

Hostname: private – OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.199 MHz) – Processes: 167 – Uptime: 1d 2h 57m – Load Average: 0.90 – Memory Usage: 456.29MB/1011.51MB (45.11%) – Disk Usage: 814.99GB/539.31GB (151.12%)

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dustybin:

ill test it right now

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