Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 22nd, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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k-man:

in order to make lirc_serial loadable after boot, I have to run "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none" any idea what the "debian way" to set the serial port to this at boot time is?

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iamlindoro:

/etc/rc.local, or write an init script to do it for you

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clever:

my rc.local does setserial modprobe and lircd

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clever:

and a bunch of other things

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iamlindoro:

Oh, and reading the logs, the channel rules are posted in the IRC page on the myth wiki

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iamlindoro:

Including taboo subjects

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k-man:

clever: yeah, i know i can do it that way, but really there should be a debian way to do it

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clever:

k-man: you could modify the existing /etc/init.d/lirc to setserial before you modprobe

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k-man:

clever: and in fact, i just saw a few bug reports that indicate that the autosave function of setserial in debial seems to be broken

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k-man:

that might be the problem

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clever:

http://pastebin.com/d703a3974 is a sample of my rc.local

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k-man:

yeah, might have to do the brute force approach

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** iamlindoro feels like he is talking to himself **

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clever:

though edited init.d scripts tend to get 'fixed' by upgrades and break without warning after you forgot what you did

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k-man:

clever: yeah, i don't want to do that

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k-man:

its a pitty the autosave function of setserial doesn't seem to work in debian

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iamlindoro:

So don't edit one, just write one and set it to run earlier

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k-man:

yeah

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clever:

that also works

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k-man:

i know i can do that

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iamlindoro:

And that would be "debian way"

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k-man:

i was just trying to find the "debian way" to do it

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iamlindoro:

^^^

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k-man:

its not quite the debian way. the debian way is for setserial to behave as its supposed to and save the setting at shutdown time

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iamlindoro:

Sigh, this is one of those "how long is a piece of string" discussions, off to do something more scintillating like watching paint dry

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Dagmar:

I've an idea. Anyone got any skill/experience with foam injection molds?

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hadees:

wagnerrp, looks like i was wrong it is single core, so if i bought a dual core it should be okay with 1080p?

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iamlindoro:

Now THAT is a "how long is a piece of string" question

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k-man:

clever: thanks for your script, i'll give that a go

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iamlindoro:

1080p == meaningless

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clever:

k-man: youll probly want to change my insmod's to modprobe's

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k-man:

ah, good point, thanks

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directhex:

3800+, single or dual core, is a low-end chip

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directhex:

and won't do demanding HD

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hadees:

directhex, it handles regular 720p from the HDPVR

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hadees:

iamlindoro, what proc would you suggest for playing this video? results of mkvinfo http://pastie.org/276908

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hadees:

directhex, what do you recommend for a 939 socket then?

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Dagmar:

A recycling center.

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hadees:

lol, i really need to upgrade my motherboard?

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iamlindoro:

That's just a mishmash of info about the file, doesn't tell you anything about the bitrate from what I can tell

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Dagmar:

939 is dead.

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orkid:

why does livetv+mvpmc=fale

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orkid:

wtfxorz

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Dagmar:

You need something _currently_ in production to do the heavily CPU-intensive task you're wanting.

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Dagmar:

orkid: Lack of literacy.

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orkid:

mvpmc speakish the right protocol they say for 0.21

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** iamlindoro recommends a high Mhz C2D (and I mean 3ish Ghz) If you want to be sure you can play everything consumerish out there **

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Dagmar:

orkid: So ask "they" about it

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orkid:

often the backend keeps saying "invalid info in file descriptor" or somesuch

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forrestv:

i have an hdhomerun and it is not always on. mythbackend seems to initialize tuners only at startup so its not detected sometimes until backend is restarted. any way to make the backend check again if the tuner is not available?

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** iamlindoro guesses framegrabber + NUV + MMVP = not happy **

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iamlindoro:

purely a guess, mind you

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orkid:

it doesn't work at all with non-quick tuning, with quick tuning it works sometimes, takes like 10 seconds to show vid/aud (tuner driver is slow and buggy is my guess), but sometimes it gives invalid stuffs in file decriptor

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Dagmar:

orkid: MythTV gives you this message?

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orkid:

yes

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Dagmar:

Pastbin.

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orkid:

iamlindoro: was that to me?

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iamlindoro:

It was just in general, as I said. You've given no info to speak of, so anything would be a guess

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orkid:

it's recording atm :S

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iamlindoro:

It may be that you've been sucked into an alternate universe

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iamlindoro:

It may be that the sky is green

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Dagmar:

forrestv: Considering that Myth works on the assumption that your devices are already there, a patch would be needed.

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forrestv:

Dagmar, thats not a very good assumption.. considering the number of removable tuners

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Dagmar:

forrestv: Oh well. Submit a bug report to trac then

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iamlindoro:

And watch it get closed as invalid unless you submit a patch

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Dagmar:

If you can't be bothered to have those tuners available when Myth needs them, that's *your* problem.

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Dagmar:

Nothing Myth can do about it

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orkid:

it could tell u 'tuner not there' no?

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Dagmar:

It does.

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directhex:

you can set myth to open tuner on demand

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directhex:

rather than on start

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directhex:

there are downsides and upsides

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mzb_d800:

can anyone give me a hint as to why irrecord creates a raw-mode config, but testing with irw appears to show that the remote sends alternating codes for each button

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Dagmar:

because it's made a raw mode recording?

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mzb_d800:

all other remotes work fine on that receiver (USB Streamzap)

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Dagmar:

IfIwriteanentiresentencewithnospacesinitandspacesaren'timportantdoesitmatter?

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mzb_d800:

Dagmar: so what mode should it be in?

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mzb_d800:

or how can I tell which mode it should be in?

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mzb_d800:

the remote in question appears to be an unbranded mce-style

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mzb_d800:

I've tried feeding sample RC5 and RC6 files to irrecord without success

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dustybin:

check out this cellphones features:

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dustybin:

http://www.neopwn.com/screenshots.php

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Dagmar:

mzb_d800: I think basically you are DRASTICALLY overestimating the intelligence of the raw recording mode.

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Dagmar:

It's *not* expected to churn out a working config.

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mzb_d800:

has on every other remote

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mzb_d800:

so how do I stop it from using raw mode then?

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Dagmar:

It's expected to give an intelligent human enough information to unravel what the _fuck_ (because you'll be saying "WTF" alot while you sort it out) the _actual_ syntax of the communications coming from the remote is.

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Dagmar:

Well, you can tell it not to record at all.

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mzb_d800:

:)

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Dagmar:

Whatyougetfromitislikethis

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Dagmar:

You get to figure out which bits are important, which bits are being misread, and which bits do what.

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Dagmar:

You get to add your own spaces, metaphorically speaking.

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Dagmar:

...and if you think I'm only talking about the delay between pulses, you better clear your calendar.

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mzb_d800:

ok ... so if I fire off 10 presses of a particular button ... how do I decipher the parameters/mode/data for it?

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Dagmar:

Well, you have to know a bit about signaling.

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mzb_d800:

let's assume I've got a good understanding

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mzb_d800:

where are docs to suit?

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Dagmar:

LIRCs site.

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mzb_d800:

ok

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Dagmar:

Doing this *does* qualify as hacking and reverse engineering.

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Dagmar:

Start by trying to categorize what might be useful for the remote to send

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Dagmar:

Some buttons only have an "immediate" mode like "power".

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Dagmar:

THink about it. It makes no sense for the reciever to be able to tell if you're holding that one down (in most cases)

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Dagmar:

So, it's probably just going to be one code, sent over and over.

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Dagmar:

Others, like "fast forward" would be useful for the machine to know you're *holding* the button down.

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Dagmar:

It *might* be one code repeated ad infinitum, or it MIGHT be a "start code" a button code, a "still pressed down" code, and a "stop code"

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Dagmar:

Trust me you'll be able to figure it out if you take careful notes and *ever* did any codebreaking for giggles

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Dagmar:

It's just going to be bitchy to figure it out.

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mzb_d800:

uhuh

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mzb_d800:

I still think it

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mzb_d800:

's

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mzb_d800:

simpler

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mzb_d800:

however, had a few issues testing yesterday (power went out ...!!@@!)

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... I'll get back into it when the caffeine kicks in

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mzb_d800:

thanks for your explanation.

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clever:

how would i get mplayer to use more threads for 264?

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clever:

-lavdopts threads=3 it seems

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clever:

though its not helping much

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Dagmar:

clever: Single-sliced recordings don't benefit from multithreaded decoding

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clever:

how would i count my slices though

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Dagmar:

Learn more about determining what type of media you're looking at.

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dustybin:

•clever: how many 'computer type' things are you thinking about at this present moment?

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clever:

im using those 264 test files

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clever:

force.php?file=.%2Fbbc.hd.ts force.php?file=.%2Fpremiere-paff.ts

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clever:

dustybin: one of them is how i could speedup my logins on the 4800 baud terminal:P

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dustybin:

hehehe

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dustybin:

now this is what i call a firewall

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dustybin:

http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath . . . ducts_id=652

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clever:

the thing can go faster, but it cant save that as default so it would mean more time to start it

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dustybin:

good price

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clever:

Dagmar: i dont see mplayer saying anything about slices in the default output

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dustybin:

clever: dont listen to Dagmar, hes a noobie

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clever:

dustybin: how would you sudjest i count my slices then?

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dustybin:

he hasnt been on the circuit long

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clever:

microscope?

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Dagmar:

I've only been listening to iamlindoro.

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Dagmar:

No good can possibly come of that.

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** dustybin makes a swift exit **

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, and just as I was thinking of sticking up for Dagmar

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Dagmar:

lol

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clever:

iamlindoro: do you have any idea on slice counting?

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timo:

iamlindoro: what with ur name ?

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iamlindoro:

Don't listen to me, no good can come of it

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iamlindoro:

timo, What's with anyone's name? Maybe my parent's didn't like me?

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timo:

?

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timo:

ur name is londoro

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timo:

lindoro*

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iamlindoro:

So it is

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timo:

I have a brother with that name

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iamlindoro:

Uncommon name these days

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timo:

so i see:)

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iamlindoro:

Is your brother a 19th century opera character?

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timo:

No his not, his at leeds university

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timo:

Any way good night

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timo:

I like opera music thou

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iamlindoro_:

Dost thou now

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, h264_parse from mpeg4ip *probably* contains the information on slices

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iamlindoro_:

but again, don't listen to me, what the fuck do I know, right?

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iamlindoro_:

I know that it will at least tell you the encoding options

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clever:

sounds fun

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iamlindoro_:

Goodbye, Cruel Xorg...

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clever:

i see alot of info about slices but not an exact number

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clever:

want me to paste the 17k lines it gives me ?:P

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Dagmar:

Until iamlindoro mentioned it, I didn't even know h264 had slices

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clever:

ive heard of them alot lately

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clever:

coreavc is the non slice way to multicore decode

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clever:

and is also nonfree

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iamlindoro_:

It's some number between 2 and 22, I can tell you that much :)

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clever:

then why is it only using 1 core

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iamlindoro_:

Dude, I don't even know what you're trying to play back, how you're trying to do it, etc.

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clever:

ref 0 type 1 Coded slice of non-IDR picture

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iamlindoro_:

It smacks of "not my problem and I'm late to whatever this party is anyway"

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clever:

its the bbc sample file from some site that gets linked here often

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, that sample is definitely multi sliced

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iamlindoro_:

in fact, "Single sliced" is a bit of a misnomer as I understand it

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iamlindoro_:

as if it's a single piece, it's not sliced at all

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iamlindoro_:

sort of like a whole loaf of bread being a "single slice"

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clever:

when i try to watch it, i get roughtly 110% cpu usage to mplayer

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iamlindoro_:

are you enabling threads?

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clever:

-lavdopts lowres=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all:threads=3

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iamlindoro_:

I believe any number > 2 is useless

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iamlindoro_:

that might have changed in the recent past, but it was true for a while

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clever:

2 gives me ~97% cpu usage

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, 3 should still *work*

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iamlindoro_:

Still, though, not my problem to troubleshoot, Works for me (tm) and unless the sample has changed, it still multithreaded

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clever:

im recompiling mplayer to have xvmc

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iamlindoro_:

can't remember if pthreads need to be built in to mplayer at compile time, might be worth looking at

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iamlindoro_:

what good would xvmc do you?

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iamlindoro_:

as it only works on MPEG-2...

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clever:

ah yes

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clever:

cant hurt for my mpeg2 files though

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clever:

Checking for pthread ... yes (using -lpthread)

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clever:

so mplayer knows of pthread and should be using it

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, libav* multithreading is *not* good, there are only certain bits it can multithread, so it won't take advantage of all of your available CPU anyway

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clever:

ah

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clever:

1.8ghz core2duo

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clever:

blazing fast for everything except 1080 h264

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iamlindoro_:

IThat was the bare minimum for BBCHD stuff last I heard

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iamlindoro_:

but you would need threads=2 and skiploop (which I know you have on)

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clever:

yes, it can bearly play

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iamlindoro_:

barely

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clever:

the socer game is totaly unplayable

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clever:

getting the 2nd core to get fully used would make it alot more smooth

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iamlindoro_:

Indeed it would... time for you to tempt Alex Strange with hookers and blow :)

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iamlindoro_:

oh, and the XBMC GPU decode guy

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iamlindoro_:

I believe it will be a totally different world in a year... but that's in a year.

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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Dagmar:

Yeah, a year from now we'll probably trying to get the corn in without being attacked by mutants.

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iamlindoro_:

Only while I play Fallout 3 :)

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Dagmar:

Someday, you'll get voices in your head tellingn you the future, too.

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Dagmar:

Then you'll be sorry.

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** iamlindoro_ nods, backs slowly away **

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iamlindoro_:

I personally live for the day I can just go "Buy any NVidia card 8xxx series or higher and any dual core CPU and YES, you can play your fucking '1080p' whatever the fuck THAT means without codec, bitrate, or encoding option info"

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Dagmar:

I probably won't cost more than two sheep.

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k-man_:

are the sourceforge mailing lists less than reliable?

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k-man_:

oh... wait, i seem to remember that sourceforge's lists don't like gmail addresses

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... appears to be something like a Pinnacle 300i remote == RC6

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mzb_d800:

irrecord segfaults ... might have to put on target machine (Lenny) and retest, rather than testing on this ubuntu system

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

i was wondering what the best similar program to mythweb is for win32?

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Ediehow:

i have an hvr-1600

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Ediehow:

was looking for something like mythtv that i could get listings, etc, and choose things to record

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iamlindoro:

erm... what's wrong with Mythweb on windows?

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iamlindoro:

Presuming you have a web browser...

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Ediehow:

sorry, i meant myth

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Ediehow:

mythtv

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Dagmar:

Snapstream.

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Dagmar:

There is no "free" option.

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Ediehow:

dagmar, hmm, well, i have the default wintv applications and the schedular program

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Dagmar:

Why would I care?

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Ediehow:

dagmar, i see you are in jerk mode

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Ediehow:

well, thanks anyways iam

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Dagmar:

No, i'm in "I'm not answering any dumbass questions about WINDOWS SOFTWARE" mode

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Dagmar:

So fuck off.

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iamlindoro:

I can't remember if GB-PVR works in windows

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iamlindoro:

I think that might be free

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iamlindoro:

but anyway, it is pretty OT, so I dunon

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Dagmar:

Man what Ediehow guy is a lame little punk

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Dagmar:

[Ediehow(n=Ediehow@68-185-239-4.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com )] shut your face before I shut it for you

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Dagmar:

I respond *so* well to threats.

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** Dagmar snickers. **

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iamlindoro:

It is moderately amusing when people want recommendations for software not-myth

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iamlindoro:

Oh, presidential candidates on 60 minutes tonight, gotta go watch

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Dagmar:

It's incredibly lame when they call you names after you've answered their questions, too.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: LIke, now?

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iamlindoro:

yar

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iamlindoro:

should be just late enough to skip all the commercials :)

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** Dagmar tries to figure out WTF channel that's on here. **

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iamlindoro:

CBS I think

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iamlindoro:

I don't usually watch it

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Dagmar:

Crap.

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iamlindoro:

It may have ended in your time zone

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Dagmar:

Yep. it did

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iamlindoro:

probably on the web for free somewheres

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Dagmar:

I'll look for it on Hulu later.

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Dagmar:

I completely forgot there was going to be an asshanding er debate

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iamlindoro:

The debate is next friday, I think, need to schedule that

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iamlindoro:

VP debate should be hilare

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Dagmar:

It'll be like watching a pro wrestler kick around a crippled nine year old

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Dagmar:

...or an airhead.

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Dagmar:

*G*

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iamlindoro:

I like listing to McPalin talk about how the economic problems are because of "greed on wall street"

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iamlindoro:

uh, hey dip shits, that's what wall street is ABOUT

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Dagmar:

Of course it couldn't have had anything to do with that the Bush administration didn't bother to ensure there was proper accountability

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Dagmar:

...and all those companies having to change their quarterly reports because of stock option gaming wouldn't have been a warning sign to anyone

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gimpy:

anyone in here using an HID remote/

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gimpy:

?

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Anduin:

gimpy: did you fix the sysfs issue?

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gimpy:

Anduin: no I tried what you said, run the udevinfo command from the readme but I get bash udevinfo command not found

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Anduin:

gimpy: distro/version?

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gimpy:

Anduin: gentoo 2.6.26 r1

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Anduin:

I bet you need to mask emerge compile something (if you can't tell, I don't Gentoo)

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Anduin:

gimpy: Hmm, seems to be udevadm info

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gimpy:

Anduin: i do have udev, i searched the man file(i must be typin the ATTR command wrong. I have tried udev ATTR sysfs and i get udev command ot fond

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Anduin:

gimpy: try using /sbin/udevadm info instead of udevinfo

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gimpy:

Anduin: Anduin /sbin/udevadm ino missin option

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Anduin:

gimpy: Yes, you still need to do the rest of what you would normally pass to udevinfo, I just skipped typing [blah]

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gimpy:

Anduin: after reading the udev man i would bet it is sothing to do with sysfs

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i used gb-pvr for a few weeks on my desktop after getting my tuner card, before putting together my dedicated myth box

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wagnerrp:

(on windows)

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DarkDrgn2k:

what repos do i need active in debian to be able to install mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

the one that automatically installs the dependencies for you?

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LanUser:

Good evening – is it possible to get a small preview type window in browse mode?

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: yes well myth is not on my list :-S

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wagnerrp:

LanUser: browse mode being.... mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

DarkDrgn2k, debian-multimedia

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LanUser:

wagnerrp: sorry, no browse mode while watching live TV

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wagnerrp:

so you want a little PnP window, in addition to the info bar?

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wagnerrp:

you can do something like that in the guide menu

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LanUser:

yeah, that'd be nice, or even better to have the info and window integrated on the same line

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wagnerrp:

but not directly within livetv

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LanUser:

ok, I'll check out the guide, thanks, it's a feature I got used to on my STB that now seems hard to live without

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Anduin:

You can use PiP but it doesn't do a preview (you can change the window though, and browse until you find something)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no preview ability

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wagnerrp:

its either a full record, lag and all, or nothing

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wagnerrp:

the on screen guide will provide a thumbnail video, but it still has the recording lag

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gimpy:

Anduin: I changed the command and i get node name not found info; optio requires an argument — 'p'

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wagnerrp:

so it takes the standard 3–5s to start playing

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Xklark_:

can anyone help with a problem on xbmcmythtv? when connecting to the database, i get a "'database' object has no attribute 'conn'." error.. any help?

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wagnerrp:

thats something you need to ask the xmbc people

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a problem with your database libraries in python

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wagnerrp:

the xbmc mythtv ability is not affiliated with mythtv

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Xklark_:

ok, sorry

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wagnerrp:

maybe check to see if the package mysql-python is installed

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gimpy:

Anduin: i don't underseand 'PiP'. you mean |?

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wagnerrp:

PiP = picture-in-picture

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wagnerrp:

Xklark_: that may not be the name your distro uses for that package

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Anduin:

gimpy: I suspect you didn't give it a real device path, probably still eventX

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tank-man:

Xklark_, are other frontends able to access the backend?

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Xklark_:

i havent even tried tank-man :\ i have no other frontends to test

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gimpy:

Anduin: the first 2 lines of the readme appear to just make sure the device is recognised. i thaught it was audomticay assigned a #

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: im assuming if it could simply not connect, it would have spat out a database connection error, rather than saying the class object is not loaded properly

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wagnerrp:

Xklark_, run 'mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -h<backend_ip> mythconverg' on the machine running xbmc

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Anduin:

gimpy: You next step should be where the very first mention of udevinfo is on that page

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Xklark_:

it works wagnerrp, i think its a problem with xbmcmythtv

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Xklark_:

with the new mysql version

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wagnerrp:

ok

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tank-man:

Xklark_, try this, copy one of the /etc/my-example.conf files to my.conf

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tank-man:

i remember seeing the "conn" error but have no idea what i did to fix it

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gimpy:

Anduin: i must be lost or interpretin this wrong . as i understand it this stat -c "%N" /dev/input/by-id/usb-HOLTEK_USB_Keyboard-*

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gimpy:

will show the device id

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gimpy:

the part the says create an entry into dev/input, i don't understand how to do since i have never done that before and i don't see how to

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Anduin:

gimpy: luckily that section contains that information (albeit a little dated)

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Anduin:

gimpy: the part you are referring to just lets you narrow your event[number] choices from n to 3

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Anduin:

I sorta assumed that the udev questions meant that was the sticking part

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gimpy:

Anduin: does this help any? http://rafb.net/p/Gm1Lfg89.html

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wagnerrp:

well silicondust is reporting i should have a lot more digital cable channels than im finding

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wagnerrp:

i may have to fiddle with it some more and rescan

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Anduin:

gimpy: You are going backward

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gimpy:

anduin: i thaught that might help you see what im seeing

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Anduin:

gimpy: You need to figure out which one of the /dev/input/eventns is for the buttons you need, once you have that you can udevadm to find out something unique with which to make a udev rule to give it a consistent name, so lircd can talk to it, it really is that simple.

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Anduin:

gimpy: have you done a cat on the results of your stat?

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gimpy:

Anduin: cat /dev/input/event2 resultnin no such file or directory, same with events 3 & 5

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gimpy:

but cat /prac/busdusb/devices gives port 0, port 1

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Anduin:

random catting won't do much

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iamlindoro:

This is another tragic case of "using gentoo whilst simultaneously avoiding basic linux knowledge"

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, i gave up a while back

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iamlindoro:

Which is a misdemeanor offense in California ;)

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Anduin:

We haven't even made it to the fun part.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, You and me both, brother

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gimpy:

Anduin: even5 is the hapy event, i found my cat problem (a typo 't' never made it on event0

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Anduin:

gimpy: udevadm info it (the one from that page), pastebin the output

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DarkDrgn2k:

i think my myth is borken

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iamlindoro:

See a doctor immediately

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DarkDrgn2k:

no.. mysql crashed?!?!

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

so do a repair

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh... im wokrign on restarting mysql first

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wagnerrp:

crashed tables are very often fully recoverable

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DarkDrgn2k:

woohoo i love logs

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DarkDrgn2k:

"080921 23:44:52 [ERROR] Can't start server: can't create PID file: No space left on device"

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iamlindoro:

IT takes a lot to crash the mysql executable... hope your /var partition isn't full

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iamlindoro:

Heh, nailed it on the first guess

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like you got it

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Proof positive I need to spend more time outdoors

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol nice

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: i know it takes allot to crash mysql.. thats why i was confiused

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wagnerrp:

usually the albino look is the first indicator

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DarkDrgn2k:

especialy since mysqlcheck didnt even work lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

does the front end do any buffering, or is that only the backend

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iamlindoro:

no buffering

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DarkDrgn2k:

baxk end only..

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DarkDrgn2k:

well... i guess its not concidered buffering anymore..

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DarkDrgn2k:

it actuaqly "records"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, now its just the disk cache

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iamlindoro:

Indeed

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** DarkDrgn2k remembers the days of ring-buffers for live tv **

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iamlindoro:

Yay, no more of those dark days

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I burned my ring buffer on a bonfire of framegrabbers

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gimpy:

adante: i get a weird outut /sbin/udevadm info -a -p $(/sbin/udevadm info -q path -n /dev/input/event5)

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wagnerrp:

i was using mythtv back then, but i never used livetv until after the ringbuffer went away

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gimpy:

node name not found

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gimpy:

info: option requires an argument — 'p'

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adante:

gimpy: maybe you want Anduin

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DarkDrgn2k:

i had a frame grabber back then!

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DarkDrgn2k:

i remember the boxing week day when i finally got my pvr150. happiest day of my life

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iamlindoro:

I actually have my first Myth capture card still sitting in the closet- no idea why I still ahve it given my hatred for clutter

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clever:

i still have my framegrabber in action

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clever:

on a slave backend

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clever:

the primary is a pvr150 now

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DarkDrgn2k:

well.they work... not THAT awfull

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wagnerrp:

thats what makes you clever

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Anduin:

and will for the next 15 year, minimum

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wagnerrp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

They *are* that awful

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** DarkDrgn2k points out that his CATV leaks like CRAZY and the signal SUX! **

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clever:

it eats alot of cpu but it does work

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clever:

my STB leaks so much i can feel the current on the coax (if im part of the curciut)

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iamlindoro:

My first hardware encoder was actually the Avermedia PVR-250 clone

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DarkDrgn2k:

lmao

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iamlindoro:

M179 I think it is

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clever:

if i grab the box and coax i can feel a buz in my hands

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey on a slightly differnt topic.. whats a good IR reciever?

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DarkDrgn2k:

i got 2 mces right now and they seem to work very well

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iamlindoro:

That's pretty much one of the best there is

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DarkDrgn2k:

(the I2C remotes from happauge seem to really suk)

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clever:

when lirc_i2c doesnt cause a kernel oops, the pvr150 receiver works fine

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iamlindoro:

if you want serial, might as well throw your own together

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DarkDrgn2k:

where can i buy a mce...

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DarkDrgn2k:

mine all came bundled

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DarkDrgn2k:

are they even buyable seperate

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iamlindoro:

ebay, hauppauge's web site, Fry's, Newegg

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

am i the only one that doesnt seem to have a problem with my hauppauge gray?

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: i find the ir is not that responsive..

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squish102:

DarkDrgn2k i just one from tigerfirect or globalcomputers

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DarkDrgn2k:

iom already at TG

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DarkDrgn2k:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/search . . . key=mce%20IR <- like that one?

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squish102:

tg has it the cheapest, like $29 + shipping or something

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wagnerrp:

well there is a half second lag or so, i actually just assumed that was normal

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wagnerrp:

have i been living in the dark for the last couple years?

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: i find mce much more responive...

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iamlindoro:

No, not like that one, the Pinnacle is not mceusb

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DarkDrgn2k:

really?

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DarkDrgn2k:

looks usb to me LOL

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clever:

wagnerrp: my pvr150 was also fairly laggy and would often drop whole presses when under heavy cpu load

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iamlindoro:

no, I'm just making it up as I go along

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iamlindoro:

yes, really

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iamlindoro:

fuck, I hate it when people ask "really?"

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DarkDrgn2k:

lmao

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squish102:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . mp;CatId=358

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DarkDrgn2k:

well its got a USB port.. and it says. MCE in the title..

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Anduin:

wagnerrp: I can't tell the difference (responsiveness), my hauppauge remotes worked right up until I stopped using them.

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iamlindoro:

I pray you're being facetious and realize how truly retarded that logic sounds

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes.. quite..

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iamlindoro:

Well yay, maybe there's hope after all

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DarkDrgn2k:

im not a noob.. i just play one on IRC!

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DarkDrgn2k:

... i feel like i fit in more that way..

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DarkDrgn2k:

36 bucks.. dam!

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me of some thing i heard a friend say

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squish102:

i could not find the ir receiver cheaper

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wagnerrp:

'chatty bitch should have stayed on irk'

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iamlindoro:

you can get them very cheap on eBay, new even

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DarkDrgn2k:

lmao... thye put the MCE under "universal remotes"

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wagnerrp:

'what the hell is irk'

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wagnerrp:

'you know, irk'

[04:00:38]

wagnerrp:

'you mean... i-r-c?'

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DarkDrgn2k:

no man

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DarkDrgn2k:

its "MIRK!"

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squish102:

i watched 2 weeks of ebay, they went at around that price used

[04:01:25]

DarkDrgn2k:

its white... EEEEEWE!

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iamlindoro:

squish102, They often come up with buy it now prices in the $20s

[04:01:42]

DarkDrgn2k:

the HP one is SOO much sleaker

[04:01:51]

wagnerrp:

it better be glossy white, like my apple toilet

[04:02:24]

DarkDrgn2k:

iShit?

[04:02:31]

squish102:

i hope to use a logitech 550 with that ir receiver

[04:03:13]

wagnerrp:

seriously, who ever thought it would be a good idea to take their color scheme from the porcelain throne

[04:03:19]

DarkDrgn2k:

YES!! all my recordings are back

[04:03:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

who would of thought it was just mysqwl dieng of no space..

[04:03:56]

DarkDrgn2k:

i really shoudl put the /var on its own partitin

[04:04:06]

wagnerrp:

im pretty sure that warning is on the wiki somewhere

[04:04:23]

squish102:

wagnerrp out of all the decisions they make, that one is not so bad

[04:04:49]

DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: probly.. supirsed nothign auto expired thoguh

[04:05:02]

wagnerrp:

the ipod is a roaring success, ill give them that. but the glossy white is just... not my taste

[04:05:05]

clever:

DarkDrgn2k: having /var/ on its own wont save mysql 100% of the time

[04:05:15]

clever:

DarkDrgn2k: ive had my mysql crash from /tmp/ overflowing before

[04:05:36]

wagnerrp:

you still have to worry about rampant log files, unless you have an automatic rotater

[04:05:48]

clever:

that too

[04:05:49]

wagnerrp:

of course why is your tmp in anything but /tmp?

[04:06:01]

clever:

my /tmp is part of the / partition

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clever:

which for awhile has been running on <150mb free

[04:06:23]

DarkDrgn2k:

clever: yeh... maybe i shoudl just turn of recording to the root drive and leave it all on the 500giger

[04:06:24]

orkid:

how do u make a recording not auto-expire.. from the media/wathc recordings view?

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clever:

orkid: hit the right arrow and go under storage stuff

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orkid:

clever: awesome. thanks

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orkid:

what's the diff. b/w do no preserve this episode, and auto expire?

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wagnerrp:

why has PETA never gone after the final fantasy games?

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wagnerrp:

the entire purpose of the game is to roam the virtual world, kill every creature you come upon, magical or otherwise, and then rob its dead carcass

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Anduin:

too many stupid real animals taking their time

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

can any one tell me why my Nvidia card in lspci shows up as

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DarkDrgn2k:

05:04.0 SCSI storage controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0021 (rev a1)

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orkid:

chipset unsupported?

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wagnerrp:

thats probably actually your SATA controller

[04:11:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: nop!

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: the board is pure intell.. no nvida except a pci card!

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DarkDrgn2k:

and unless the SATA port now looks like a DVI and SVIDEO port.... its a video card

[04:12:13]

wagnerrp:

but 5:04 seems wrong

[04:12:24]

wagnerrp:

usually graphics gets its own dedicated channel

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DarkDrgn2k:

its nto agp..

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wagnerrp:

its usually 00 and 01 for the two outputs

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wagnerrp:

PCI?

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes

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wagnerrp:

ugh, buy a new card

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: why?

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: besides.. board doesn support agp.. hence pci

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** wagnerrp has a distain for PCI graphics cards **

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DarkDrgn2k:

and i had to jump through hoops just to get a low-profile one..

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DarkDrgn2k:

i even checked futer shop

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wagnerrp:

youre using a server board for your frontend?

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DarkDrgn2k:

no.. not a server board..

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DarkDrgn2k:

anyway the guy looked at me puzzled when i asked for a low profile card.

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wagnerrp:

yet it only has PCI slots

[04:14:09]

DarkDrgn2k:

"ooo.. they are all cheap" he said

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

decent proceesor.. 2.4 p4

[04:14:37]

wagnerrp:

the onboard (probably intel) didnt work out?

[04:14:50]

DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: no svidoe out..

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wagnerrp:

ah

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DarkDrgn2k:

ugh hoiw do i disable the back end from compiling..

[04:15:10]

wagnerrp:

you dont

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DarkDrgn2k:

:(

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to manually go into the configure script

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wagnerrp:

and re-enable that feature

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

naaa

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DarkDrgn2k:

ill jsut sit through the compile

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DarkDrgn2k:

less work..

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wagnerrp:

its all of a 20 second fix

[04:16:06]

DarkDrgn2k:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and the subsequent lack of aid from people on this channel

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DarkDrgn2k:

but firs ti would have to ask myself.. WHY was it disabled

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wagnerrp:

it was disabled because people who didnt know what they were doing were abusing it

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DarkDrgn2k:

ah, i ee

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DarkDrgn2k:

"i compiled the front end but my TUNER doesnt Work now!!"

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wagnerrp:

more specifically, it was allowing a lot of gentoo users to get themselves into trouble

[04:17:27]

DarkDrgn2k:

well.. the puter does only have a 2 gig flash drive on it..

[04:17:32]

DarkDrgn2k:

maybe i should re-enable it..

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Sulx:

that more than enough

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DarkDrgn2k:

yay comments

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DarkDrgn2k:

# Don't print disable frontend/backend options, these

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DarkDrgn2k:

# cause breakage and people use them inappropriately. — dtk

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DarkDrgn2k:

"# disabled due to abuse in Gentoo ebuild"

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

oh.. dam how do i re enable it

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RyeBrye:

Doesn't the OS X build script only build the frontend?

[04:19:21]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember, but there was just one or two lines removed from a list

[04:19:26]

wagnerrp:

maybe a couple more commented out

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh...

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DarkDrgn2k:

not worth it..

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DarkDrgn2k:

" echo "WARNING: You are on your own now." "

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wagnerrp:

it would take me about 4 minutes to revert it once, and maybe another 30 to do it a second time

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol mythbusters on the vidia site... WOOO!!!

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RyeBrye:

What's the highest bitrate that HD MPEG2 is encoded at?

[04:22:12]

RyeBrye:

like stuff that would come down over an HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

roughly 18mbps

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: theoretically ;) -fixes actually works nowadays =D

[04:22:42]

RyeBrye:

That's cool

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wagnerrp:

why did threaded coax connectors ever win over BNC connectors...

[04:23:13]

RyeBrye:

18 megabits / second = 8 gigs per hour, right?

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wagnerrp:

18/8/3600/1024

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wagnerrp:

err... *3600

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wagnerrp:

so just under

[04:24:19]

RyeBrye:

http://www.google.com/search?&q=18+megabi . . . 2F+hour&

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RyeBrye:

:)

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RyeBrye:

Yep, just under

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: springs in BNC can wear out theoretically?

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: no, I bet it's good old fashioned cheapness.

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RyeBrye:

crimpers are cheaper for crappy coax connectors maybe?

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RyeBrye:

or rather the crimped end

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: anyone can mill threaded connectors

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wagnerrp:

so just use leaf springs, like on battery connectors

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wagnerrp:

i would be willing to pay the extra $0.15/end for BNC

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wagnerrp:

of course ive never tried to crimp BNC, so i may be wrong on that argument

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RyeBrye:

hmmm... better not show my wife that they brought back the lifetime plans for TiVo boxes... :/ She tolerates MythTV but she loves TiVo

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RyeBrye:

Although I do take issue with this statement on their HD Tivo's product page. "The ultimate HD cable DVR with the largest recording capacity in the country."

[04:29:49]

RyeBrye:

They should be required to qualify that as:

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one see the GPU vs CPU demo they had on the nvidia site?

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HaSH:

the mythbusters one DarkDrgn2k ?

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh..

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DarkDrgn2k:

i just watched it..

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HaSH:

yea. pretty cool

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DarkDrgn2k:

anyway

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DarkDrgn2k:

im off to be

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... now if only they gave linux access to the damned GPU for things like... oh... I don't know... H.264 decoding?

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DarkDrgn2k:

nite all

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HaSH:

RyeBrye, yea i wish they did.

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: but they do

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RyeBrye:

CUDA doesn't really count in my book

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HaSH:

since when?

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wagnerrp:

linux has full access to opengl and cuda

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RyeBrye:

CUDA is only on their 8x series though

[04:32:03]

wagnerrp:

the just dont give full access to their proprietary purevideo extensions

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that's the one that I want

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wagnerrp:

cuda is on 8, 9, and higher

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RyeBrye:

although CUDA WOULD cut it if someone (else) were sufficently motivated to make some way to accelerate h.264 playback on nvidias for me :)

[04:32:36]

wagnerrp:

before that, you could still use a programmable shader to do decoding

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wagnerrp:

folding@home has been working on programmable shaders since the first ATI X cards

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orkid:

how do u set a rule to record any new episodes of a show? i only see record options based on date (once, daily, weekly, etc)

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wagnerrp:

its under filters

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wagnerrp:

although it will automatically only record shows you have never recorded before

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orkid:

... yes, filters?

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orkid:

so .. upcoming recorfdings?

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RyeBrye:

no, on the schedule recordings page

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RyeBrye:

if you are talking about mythweb at least

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orkid:

o. mythfrontend

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RyeBrye:

dunno. I do all my scheduling with mythweb :/

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wagnerrp:

under scheduling options, its the 6th field

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orkid:

six field is 'look for duplicates in current and previous recordings'

[04:39:00]

orkid:

oh. 'record new episode first showings' :)

[04:39:05]

orkid:

lets see..

[04:40:06]

orkid:

hmm, now it set it to record the first showing.. but it missed this week's episode. i guess i can put in a single record for that one .

[04:40:09]

orkid:

:)

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orkid:

hmm. but.. i told it to prefer one tuner over another, and now it doesn't seem to be honoring that.. even though the show is available on both tuners at the same time :S

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RyeBrye:

/usr/bin/spank mythbackend 'not obeying tuner priority'

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orkid:

oh nvm. it's not available on the other tuner :)

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RyeBrye:

!fish orkid blaming mythtv

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** RyeBrye can't remember the fish command :( **

[04:43:06]

RyeBrye:

!trout maybe?

[04:43:06]

** MythLogBot slaps maybe? with a trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

[04:43:18]

RyeBrye:

!trout RyeBrye for forgetting it was trout

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** MythLogBot slaps RyeBrye with a for forgetting it was trout trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

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RyeBrye:

!trout RyeBrye trout for forgetting it was trout an then not reading the syntax of the trout properly

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** MythLogBot slaps RyeBrye with a trout for forgetting it was trout an then not reading the syntax of the trout properly trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

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** RyeBrye is done now **

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orkid:

yes. but i still have problems with MediaMVP and livetv

[04:44:10]

orkid:

it's hit/miss

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RyeBrye:

The GeForce 8400 is an ok chipset, right?

[04:46:36]

orkid:

so now it's showing a conflict for a daily show record.. even though there's one available later (no episode info, it's news)... but it chooses the later showing for recording... yet still shows the 'c' in the first time slot. is this normal?

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RyeBrye:

Yes, I believe that is normal

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RyeBrye:

if you resolve the conflict for the first time, it will record it at the earlier time

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orkid:

i'l have to try to do that another time.

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orkid:

we'll see how the recording goes for now

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RyeBrye:

well if you want it to record in the earlier slot you could make it a higher priority

[04:48:19]

RyeBrye:

I believe that would make it record earlier, but I'm not entirely sure

[04:49:29]

RyeBrye:

I thought that TiVo was opening up a bit when I read about how you can burn stuff off of them... etc. – but then I realized... your recordings would still have the commercials in them... how lame is that

[04:50:11]

RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235 That card looks awesome for an HTPC – $39 with $10 MIR for a 512M fanless GeForce 8400... am I missing something?

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hadees:

anyone seen this weird site yet? http://www.hackmyth.com/ i'm not sure if it a scam or just hoping for idiots

[04:53:25]

orkid:

does it do hdmi+audio?

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wagnerrp:

seems legitimate enough

[04:55:02]

wagnerrp:

if very old and very expensive

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hadees:

i found it because i was looking for homeautomation stuff

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RyeBrye:

orkid – no, I don't think it does hdmi+audio, but it will do DVI which you can -> HDMI and then use a sound cable with it... but I'm going to just use the DVI connector on my TV and the sound jack that goes with it for stereo until I get my theater surround sound setup

[04:55:11]

wagnerrp:

theyre still loading 0.18.1

[04:55:23]

RyeBrye:

latest news on their site is 2005

[04:55:30]

hadees:

they offer some weird home automation package

[04:55:45]

wagnerrp:

at which point that extra 300GB drive was probably pretty sizable

[04:56:24]

hadees:

well then it is a same if they failed they didn't at least give out the source code for the homeautomation stuff

[04:56:30]

hadees:

*shame

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orkid:

http://www.z-wavealliance.org/modules/iaCM-MCL/ looks legit?

[04:57:09]

orkid:

intel

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RyeBrye:

Isn't MythTV GPL?

[04:57:20]

orkid:

bunch of other big names

[04:57:34]

RyeBrye:

how could they have their automation stuff be GPL as well?

[04:58:40]

wagnerrp:

seems they released their modified version as OSS as well

[04:58:44]

wagnerrp:

i see no problem

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RyeBrye:

so they did release the code for their home automation stuff, right?

[04:59:49]

wagnerrp:

they at least released their patches

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hadees:

i don't see it, there have some patches

[05:00:03]

wagnerrp:

maybe their home automation stuff was used external to mythtv

[05:00:14]

wagnerrp:

and the patches provided some non-linked interface

[05:01:06]

wagnerrp:

their software seems to have been locked to their hardware

[05:01:16]

RyeBrye:

gotcha

[05:01:34]

wagnerrp:

meaning no one wanted to use their shit Via hardware, so no one used their software either

[05:02:03]

RyeBrye:

LOL – yeah... I wonder how much money someone blew through on that idea

[05:02:41]

wagnerrp:

whoops, i just killed a dvb scan because i incorrectly thought it was not getting results

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orkid:

wagnerrp: what dvb-s card are u using ?

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orkid:

my experiences with dvb-s have been bad

[05:06:19]

orkid:

dvb-s/linux

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wagnerrp:

im not

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orkid:

oh. dvb-t ?

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wagnerrp:

qam

[05:07:26]

wagnerrp:

trying to switch from atsc

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mchou:

wagnerrp: lol. why you doing that?

[05:08:56]

mchou:

wagnerrp: I thought you said you got more stations via atsc

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wagnerrp:

i did on last scan

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wagnerrp:

but the silicondust (hdhomerun) page lists all the channels i get on OTA on cable as well

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mchou:

wagnerrp: yeah, I told you

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wagnerrp:

and this prevents me from having to hang an antenna

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mchou:

wagnerrp: who's yer daddy :)

[05:10:45]

wagnerrp:

i still only get about half the PBS channels, but i never record that anyway

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mchou:

wagnerrp: I dont forget :)

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wagnerrp:

theres 21 atsc subchannels listed for my area, only 15 qam

[05:11:50]

mchou:

that include HSN?

[05:12:11]

wagnerrp:

actually thats not listed

[05:12:17]

mchou:

cause then 15 doesnt really mean 15 :)

[05:12:20]

wagnerrp:

but their tv guide channel shows up now

[05:12:28]

mchou:

lol

[05:12:33]

mchou:

what use is that?

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wagnerrp:

its actually 52, but some 38 of those are on-demand

[05:12:48]

wagnerrp:

absolutely none

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mchou:

wagnerrp: I feel sorry for you hicks in KY :)

[05:13:42]

mchou:

15 channels

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mchou:

ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

well i picked up 221 channels

[05:14:43]

mchou:

now wonder kids there want to get out of town

[05:15:21]

wagnerrp:

of those, 12 were named

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mchou:

"Named" may not be the only ones in the clear

[05:16:13]

wagnerrp:

its 221 clear channels

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mchou:

I think I get fewer than 12 named ones too

[05:16:36]

mchou:

221 clear channels is good :)

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wagnerrp:

but last time i did a scan, i got the same, and only 8 of those channels returned a video feed

[05:17:04]

mchou:

implies you messed up on your original clear qam scan

[05:17:11]

mchou:

like I surmised

[05:17:56]

mchou:

like 90% of the people here complaining the local cableco "encrypted everything"

[05:18:15]

mchou:

fscked wikis are responsible

[05:19:14]

mchou:

of course, it's also poosible silicon dust page may be out of date

[05:19:23]

mchou:

possible*

[05:27:24]

mchou:

a simple change in dvb-app's "scan" enumrates all available services

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mchou:

dvb folks people assume tune must be "successful" while that's not really necessary

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wagnerrp:

i think ive found the infomercial channel

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's hardly cause for celebration

[05:50:42]

wagnerrp:

some amway competitor, an ad for total gym, another ad for vegas

[05:51:36]

wagnerrp:

no, its poker TV

[05:51:41]

wagnerrp:

fantastic

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wagnerrp:

i know i cant get enough of other people playing texas hold'em

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mchou:

james bond played texas hold'em

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wagnerrp:

and back to ads

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Ediehow:

for everyone's information, dagmar is a moron and was wrong about win32 alternatives to myth. windows MC gets listings, records like a pvr, etc

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Ediehow:

dagmar, you are the sux

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mchou:

oh lord

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MasseR:

Well that was definitely interesting

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mchou:

ediehow drive by shooting

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mchou:

there was just a tiny bit of truth to what he said though :)

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wagnerrp:

so dagmar is a moron for not suggesting windows software in a mythtv channel

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mchou:

windows MC

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mchou:

good luck with that

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mchou:

considering it doesnt doe QAM

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mchou:

do*

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mchou:

much better windows pvr out there

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mchou:

Ediehow's google fu needs fixing

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wagnerrp:

besides the fact that it took him 4 hours to find it

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mchou:

lol

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wagnerrp:

so what is this 'better method' of scanning for qam channels?

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mchou:

modify source code of scan in dvb-apps

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mchou:

minor logic change

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wagnerrp:

i think ill just stick with cable, since im getting NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX

[06:05:18]

wagnerrp:

the only thing im really missing is CW, although im not really missing it

[06:05:27]

mchou:

cable or atsc you meant?

[06:05:35]

wagnerrp:

cable vs. atsc

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wagnerrp:

besides, CW is a 480i feed, and i can just capture it over analog cable if i really want it

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mchou:

bah. analog cable

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mchou:

analog tuners suck on most pvr cards. noisy

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mchou:

wagnerrp: if you have scan.c just mod line 1497

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sigma_za:

can i install mythtv if i dont have a tv capture card?

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mchou:

and 1505

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sigma_za:

i just want to use it as a frontend to my videos and music

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wagnerrp:

yes, but you probably shouldnt

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mchou:

wagnerrp: it's actually a bit more complicated than that but you get the idea

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sigma_za:

why shouldnt i?

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic is severely lacking in usability, and there are probably better options than mythvideo

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sigma_za:

what else can i use besides mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

mchou: what version are those line numbers from?

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mchou:

shoot. virtually anything really

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mchou:

1.1.1

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wagnerrp:

fantastic, i have version 1.?

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wagnerrp:

it literally says that in my README

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mchou:

what?

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sigma_za:

let me rephrase. i just want to use it to playback my music and videos. nothing else

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wagnerrp:

ill just go download a new copy, rather than the one from jan 07 i have sitting in my package directory

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mchou:

sigma_za: my "what?" wasn't meant for you :)

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mchou:

jan 07 is probably current

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mchou:

oh wait

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wagnerrp:

jan 2007

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mchou:

is that d/l date or package date?

[06:17:26]

wagnerrp:

dl date, 20070114

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mchou:

d/l date doesnt count

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mchou:

get a new one

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wagnerrp:

well... file name

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wagnerrp:

source date

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mchou:

then that's current

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mchou:

1.1.1 I believe was '06

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mchou:

you can check for yourself though

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wagnerrp:

well the line numbers have changed slightly

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wagnerrp:

seems like you want me to make it always return 0

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to -1 (failed)

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mchou:

not quite

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mchou:

FE_HAS_LOCK should not be prereq

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mchou:

wagnerrp: there are other gotchas in the code. but you see what I'm driving at

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mchou:

that code could really use improvement for clearQAM

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mchou:

they need a enum_all_avail services function :)

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wagnerrp:

so you want it to just have some status returned, rather than requiring 10000 (all clear)?

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mchou:

one that works for all frequencies better than it does now

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

too much to explain

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mchou:

just acriot azap and use scan -c

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mchou:

script*

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wagnerrp:

well i mean right there, it is checking for the bitwise lock indicator

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

just tune to each frequency, and force it to assume a valid lock

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mchou:

bingo

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mchou:

need appropriate time to elapse for the tuner to settle down

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mchou:

but that is what it is in a nutshell

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wagnerrp:

and 2 seconds is insufficient?

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mchou:

depends on your card really. but two secs should be sufficient

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justinh:

it shouldn't take very long to get a lock on a valid signal

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justinh:

not for the driver anyway

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justinh:

er.. to recognise the lock, I mean

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justinh:

unless of course your signal isn't very strong & it takes a while for the tuner AGC to settle.. that could be a factor of course but I seriously doubt it's taking an amount of time you'd notice

[07:01:59]

justinh:

damnit, we're almost out of MMC cards :(

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oobe:

can anyone give comments on there experience with pinnacle 310i

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oobe:

there isnt some secret revision that wont work in linux?

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justinh:

might need firmware you haven't got

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justinh:

dmesg holds many secrets

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Steven_M:

where are the settings for deinterlacing, they're not where the wiki at mythtv.org says they are?

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justinh:

video playback profiles

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justinh:

each profile has a set of definitions which sets how it behaves for different resolutions of video

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justinh:

and each definition can use a different deinterlacing method :)

[07:50:51]

justinh:

besides, the big text saying "Outdated: The information on this page may no longer be relevant to the current version of MythTV. " would've been a big clue there

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Steven_M:

got I feel like an idiot :)

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justinh:

roflmao @ guys at work. muhhhh, I tried installing linux but I couldn't get it to work. Anyone who fails installing linux from a recent distro cd should abandon it forever

[08:05:01]

laga:

or buy better hardware

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justinh:

yeah.. the thing is I'm really not surprised he had problems on an AMD k6–300 with 56MB RAM

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laga:

"but it's supposed to work on older hardware"

[08:08:29]

justinh:

you can't see me showing you a finger ;)

[08:09:02]

laga:

haha

[08:09:23]

justinh:

<mutter>stupid linux</mutter>

[08:09:36]

justinh:

the curse of the noob

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clever:

ive ran linux on systems with under 30mb of ram

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clever:

but that was far from a noob friendly install

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justinh:

& so much for me no longer maintaining those shitty themes eh ;)

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laga:

hmm?

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justinh:

see -commits

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laga:

ah, yes

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justinh:

might redo the other OSDs at 1280x720 at some point.. dunno if it's worth it though

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justinh:

heh. I've totally broken the menus now

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k-man:

does mythtv turn off the screensaver somehow?

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k-man:

the frontend i mean

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justinh:

it disables DMPS or whatever

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justinh:

DPMS.. er.. thingy

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justinh:

only during video playback, though

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k-man:

so i still need to dissable the x blanking after no activity?

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k-man:

ah, i see

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k-man:

interesting

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k-man:

how do i adjust the position and size of the xorg display with an nvidia card? theres some tool i ran before but I can't remember the name of it

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justinh:

you can't adjust the position

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justinh:

er.. I mean if you're talking about the tv output you can't

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justinh:

otherwise, xvidtune or something IIRC

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k-man:

justinh, i'm sure i ran something before like nvidia-settings (although I don't think thats it) to adjust the position and size of the display relative to the screen

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k-man:

maybe it was xvidtune

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mzb_d800:

k-man: nvtv ?

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justinh:

nvtv is no use

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justinh:

not for anything > GF2

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k-man:

i dunno

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mzb_d800:

k

[10:15:46]

k-man:

maybe i dreamed it

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mzb_d800:

probably why I've got all the nvtv commands commented in .xinitrc ;)

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justinh:

so are you using composite or svideo tvout ?

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mzb_d800:

what I've done is overscan + resized/adjusted gui + position video (composite)

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k-man:

me? svideo

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mzb_d800:

the other machine uses svideo (without adjustment)

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justinh:

k-man: so AFAIK you can't reposition the output

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k-man:

justinh, ok

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justinh:

nvidia-settings is as good as it gets

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[Jasper]:

hello guys

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[Jasper]:

anyone here?

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k-man:

ok

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justinh:

[Jasper]: no

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[Jasper]:

how can I connect my dvi + sound to hdmi?

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[Jasper]:

any clues?

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justinh:

[Jasper]: get a VGA card with hdmi out & connect your soundcard's digital audio output to it

[10:19:49]

justinh:

and pray it works in linux

[10:20:20]

justinh:

otherwise the only way to embed the audio on HDMI is with an _expensive_ adapter

[10:21:36]

justinh:

http://www.lindy.co.uk/dvi-d-spdif-to-hdmi-converter/32559.html

[10:22:28]

justinh:

decent HDTVs allow you to team up a HDMI input with an analogue audio signal though

[10:22:34]

[Jasper]:

I guess I can do that

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[Jasper]:

have the new panasonic plasma 42pz800

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justinh:

that probably lets you do it

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[Jasper]:

gonna check the site

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justinh:

then just get a dvi-hdmi adapter. job done :)

[10:23:35]

justinh:

or you can use digital audio into the TV, if the TV has it & can be used with the HDMI video input...

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justinh:

RTFM on your TV

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[Jasper]:

no digital audio in

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[Jasper]:

just out

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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[Jasper]:

I think I only have audio in for component :/

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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[Jasper]:

I never payed attention to that

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[Jasper]:

but those are little connections for such a tv

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justinh:

see page 40 of the manual

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[Jasper]:

hmm

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justinh:

no hmm about it

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[Jasper]:

justinh is that the part about the qlink?

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justinh:

wtf is so hard to understand about that page?

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[Jasper]:

justinh I have no clue what you're pointing at

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[Jasper]:

maybe you could clarify so I could actually understand what you mean?

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mchou:

sigh

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mchou:

pls

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[Jasper]:

?

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[Jasper]:

justinh you must be seing something I'm not

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justinh:

at the bottom of the diagram is an image representing a computer. the diagram shows an HDMI (or DVI to HDMI) cable coming from the PC going into the TV. The audio connection (dotted) is going into the audio inputs within the 'video in 1' group

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justinh:

duh. thought it didn't look like a PC..

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[Jasper]:

not really justinh

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[Jasper]:

what you are seeing there is a amp which has vierra link

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[Jasper]:

they connect a hdmi cable towards that so you can control the volume with your tv remote

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justinh:

the cable labelled (B) = HDMI-DVI conversion cable + AUDIO CABLE

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mzb_d800:

yay ... Top Gear .au in days!

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[Jasper]:

but I allready found it

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[Jasper]:

thanks anyway

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[Jasper]:

page 48

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[Jasper]:

it's explained

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justinh:

I SAID TO YOU TO RTFM

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justinh:

fucking dick

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[Jasper]:

relax dude

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[Jasper]:

I was reading it?

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[Jasper]:

that's why I know how it works now

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justinh:

you should have to pass exams before being allowed to buy fancy TVs. that'd be funny to watch

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at0m|c:

justinh, would that be before or after getting an internet license?

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justinh:

internets? heh. PC ownership should be policed too

[10:45:07]

justinh:

maybe not so long to wait for that to happen

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clever:

we are sorry, explorer.exe has caused an illegal opertation

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clever:

the police will arrive to arrest you shorty

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Striker:

i dont suppose anyone has a saa7134 tuner that they're using for analog and pulling audio directly from the card?

[11:33:37]

mzb_d800:

I have saa7134_dvb

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Striker:

i have set everything and capped the audio rate to 32000, but when the frontend plays it, it tries to play at 48000 (i think)

[11:34:02]

Striker:

yeah, i expect most people are using them for digital

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Striker:

when i use mplayer to play the .nuv that the backend recorded of some live tv, it attempts to play it at 48000 Hz

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mzb_d800:

doesn't seem to be much point in analogue ;)

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mzb_d800:

(in comparison)

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Striker:

except in the US where digital is nearly impossible to get unencrypted

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justinh:

what'd be wrong with changing the recording profile to use 48khz ?

[11:36:05]

Striker:

justinh: the frontend has that? I'll take a peek at those again

[11:37:05]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles

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Striker:

woot

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Striker:

i totally forgot about that

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Striker:

yeah, that fixed it, thanks

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** Striker now trudges off to fix the levels **

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Striker:

er

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mzb_d800:

jk

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Striker:

i have a remote...

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Striker:

lol

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Striker:

for some reason the audio is a lot lower than my other card

[11:45:16]

Striker:

but i also record off line-in for the old one

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mzb_d800:

I appreciate that I'm spoiled by dvb

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Striker:

lol

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laga:

i want people to stop posting on the mailing list.

[12:51:41]

laga:

because *nobody* seems to get their quoting right

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

If you top post you are wasteful, if you bottom post you are lazy, if you quote only what's required and mix your comments properly through out the quoted content it actually makes it legible.

[12:55:19]

mchou:

bootom post is considered lazy??

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mchou:

bottom*

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laga:

it gets worse over time. if a bunch of asshats are in one thread, you'll seriously wear our your scroll button

[12:56:20]

GreyFoxx:

quoting 40 pages of crap just to say "Yeah, I agree" is lazy . So I guess both top and bottom posting are pretty much both the root cause of all evil in the world :)

[12:56:47]

GreyFoxx:

And when you MIX top and bottom posters in a single thread

[12:56:53]

GreyFoxx:

it's uterly unreadable

[12:57:02]

laga:

it's like adding a jam sandwich to the back of a cat

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justinh:

just let the lists fester in their own filth, or as I've recently suggested, turn them over to moderators

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: snipping is considered bad form too. OPs get upset if context is missing

[12:58:32]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: leads to more flame wars

[12:59:02]

GreyFoxx:

mchou: altering the quoted content, and or quoting partial sentences are a problem

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laga:

justinh: and who's gonna moderate them?

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mchou:

laga: I vote for justin

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justinh:

ok then, just the first option

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justinh:

there's nothing worth replying to on -users these days, so I don't

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mchou:

laga: he clearly NEEDS more aggrevation in his life

[13:00:15]

mchou:

:)

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justinh:

if a worthy posting is overlooked because of all the detritus, that's nobody's fault but the crap posters

[13:01:34]

mchou:

If you're on the mailing list chances are you are a loser anyways

[13:01:48]

GreyFoxx:

if I read a post, and it's got more than 2 pages of quoted text it goes right to the bin with the "new" content unread

[13:01:51]

mchou:

sheer force of numbers

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GreyFoxx:

and I mean unbroken 2 pages

[13:03:26]

GreyFoxx:

though I do tend to massdelete the majority of the -users list traffic anyway if the subject line doesn't have something I find interesting

[13:03:33]

justinh:

meh... "It will make it way easier for non-win32 dev's to get feedback about if their commits might break win32 builds, so that's a good thing, isn't it?". hey if I commit something which breaks win32 builds why am I obliged to care? ;)

[13:04:53]

laga:

justinh: yeah, watch those theme commits ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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justinh:

rm ProjectGrayhem

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justinh:

add ProjectGrayhem.

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: how does myth know which audio pid to select on ATSC/QAM? whith table is that in DB, you know?

[13:08:29]

mchou:

which*

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mchou:

I mean english vs. spanish, for example

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GreyFoxx:

I know each includes a description field stating the language it contains. Can't remember the exact field in the settings table which defines your local language choise tho

[13:11:20]

mchou:

ok, that's good enough

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mchou:

thx

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gpd:

does anyone know anythying of the Transmita wireless audio senders?

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gpd:

how about philips wireless music stations? can you hook up to mythtv / linux / samba?

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J-e-f-f-A_:

gpd: I've got a linksys wifi wireless media player (UPnP) that works pretty good with Myth. Using UPnP

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gpd:

J-e-f-f-A|work: http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index . . . rodID=B75949 ?

[14:09:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: Looks like it would work – it's UPnP. And it looks like it plays just about every format currently around, and has an HDMI output... Very impressive...

[14:10:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: One thing to note is that myth wasn't designed to be a full-blown UPnP server, so it's implementation currently is basically a file browser interface. IE: No pretty backgrounds, etc. But it does work pretty well... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: Gee, doesn't seem to be available in the US, at least under that product name...

[14:13:11]

gpd:

I don't think that is what I am looking for... however, I'm not sure what I really want!

[14:13:38]

gpd:

I have mythtv box attached to HiFi amplifier and high quailty speakers in lounge – but want to be able to access audio in kitchen.

[14:14:05]

gpd:

ideally I would want to be able to play recorded audio from mythtv in the kitchen...

[14:14:32]

gpd:

one option – is to buy a wireless audio sender – then plug in a set of 2.1 speakers in the kitchen into the reciever.

[14:14:49]

gpd:

i normally have a laptop in the kitchen so should be able to control / send from there

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gpd:

the transmita Vii looks small and neat for the sending from laptop / mythtv box

[14:15:54]

gpd:

http://www.oono.co.uk/products_transmitavii.php

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: I don't know if you can them out there, but I have an old Linksys WMLS11B wireless media player (can be cabelled too), and it works quite well playing music from Myth, and has pretty decent audio quality too.

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gpd:

looking... what protocol does that use?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: UPnP

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gpd:

seems to be an 'archived product' :(

[14:19:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: Righ, it's no longer available new, but if you can pick one up used for like $30usd, you wouldn't be dissapointed... ;-)

[14:19:37]

gpd:

but they have updated ones it seems — looking

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: I also have a NetGear MP101, but haven't used it in about 6–12 months now...

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** J-e-f-f-A|work should tst it with Myth and put it in the living room for the wife if it works well... I last used it with 'twonky media player' running on an a hacked NSLU2 ;-) **

[14:24:30]

gpd:

J-e-f-f-A|work: did you consider using the method i described? ie. using a laptop as the 'frontend', rather than a dedicated box / device?

[14:24:55]

gpd:

I could also use my N800 as the front end and plug into 2.1 speakers in the kitchen...

[14:25:18]

gpd:

the Mythtv for N800 last time I checked was a bit broken though – must try it again.

[14:26:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gpd: Humm... that would probably work... ;-)

[14:27:35]

gpd:

so the next question is – are there any 2.1 speaker systems that aren't to terrible sounding ;)

[14:30:30]

directhex:

pc speakers? logitech

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gpd:

or go wild and get Bose / Boston Acoustincs / Altec Lansing / JBL?

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directhex:

bose are dreadful

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directhex:

they're a marketing company selling wet string & cardboard as revolutionary

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gpd:

are logitech speakers any good then? to me they make mice so i suffer from brand prejudice

[14:35:04]

directhex:

their more expensive z-series speakers are well regarded

[14:35:11]

directhex:

and THX certified, as if that made a difference

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gpd:

how about creative gigaworks t20?

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gpd:

will look at z-series.. nice tip directhex

[14:36:24]

gpd:

hmm – it seems that logitech are selling squeezebox stuff ... curious

[14:36:40]

gpd:

that is another options to consider again!

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gpd:

bah – squeezebox stuff is expensive

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gbee:

you know the google anti-bot screen, one which says something like "you look like a bot, please fill out this captcha to proceed with your search"?

[14:38:59]

laga:

yup

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gbee:

well I think someone had fun writing that, I've had "kockhand" before now and just now "noncing"

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directhex:

gpd, On 18 October 2006 Sean Adams, the CEO of Slim Devices, announced that the company was being acquired by Logitech

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gpd:

directhex: seems i am a bit behind! :)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_mythvideo11.png

[14:42:08]

gbee:

oops, wrong link – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/google_img.png

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directhex:

gbee, http://www.headinjurytheater.com/Edward Penishands cover.jpg

[14:43:32]

gbee:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Boo to links that need cutting and pasting

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directhex:

i know i know

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directhex:

boo to firefox not %20ing spaces

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directhex:

http://gfx1.gamelink.com/GLImages/prodimages/60746.jpg ?

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iamlindoro:

Good thing I'm not at work yet ;)

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directhex:

yes!

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AlNahar:

hi, i was wondering about if there are still any free schedule listing services compatible with mythtv

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laga:

yes.

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laga:

probably not for the US, though

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AlNahar:

laga: ok. i was wondering because it seems vista's media center uses some free listing source, but i didn't know if it's provided by MS or something

[15:47:21]

laga:

i think there are some grabbers

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laga:

but schedules direct is not that expensive.

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AlNahar:

i know, i signed up for it

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AlNahar:

but i had understood grabbers generally violated ToS of sites?

[15:48:41]

laga:

there might be exceptions

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iamlindoro_:

But yes, any of the hacky scrapers in the US violate ToS

[15:49:06]

iamlindoro_:

And break often

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

AlNahar: They do. M$ probably includes the listing source costs in their sale price of Vista...

[15:49:17]

AlNahar:

J-e-f-f-A: ah ok

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gbee:

yep, the MCE listings aren't free, you pay for them when you buy vista/mce etc

[15:51:36]

AndyCap:

though I have seen xmltv MCE hacks

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AlNahar:

i was wondering about upgrading my pvr-150 mce to hvr-1600, but i only use analog cable. is the actual recorded project any better looking if its the same rate of compression?

[15:52:29]

AlNahar:

i didn't know if there was some major hardware difference

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gbee:

not all grabbers violate ToS – in fact most/all of the official XMLTV ones don't

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AlNahar:

gbee: but most myth people use the pay service, SD?

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gbee:

e.g. in the UK the listings are provided free with the permission of RadioTimes

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AndyCap:

AlNahar: if you live in a covered area

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gbee:

AlNahar: in the US/Canada/South America yes

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AlNahar:

gbee: k

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gbee:

SD seems cheap enough and it's entirely non-profit, run by users for users

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AlNahar:

k

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Shadow__X:

hey everyone

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Shadow__X:

i am having an issue

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gbee:

the service used to be free in the US, but as you might already have read, the free service was shutdown because it was being abused for commercial purposes, SD was formed by MythTV users/developers to keep a listings source available for it's users

[15:58:29]

Shadow__X:

i followed the instructions to transfer the recordings over to a new system

[15:58:32]

Shadow__X:

i dumped it into a sql file

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Shadow__X:

i transfered over all the data from the recordings folder in to the new one

[15:59:02]

Shadow__X:

put the data in

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Shadow__X:

ran the restore command

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AlNahar:

gbee: k, thx

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Shadow__X:

and all the recordings are under recorded programs in mythweb but the thumbnails arent there and the recordings dont work in the fe

[16:00:55]

Shadow__X:

the recordings play in the fe/be but they arent seekabke

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sid3windr:

seekebab

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gbee:

hmmm ... kebab

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** gbee drools **

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Shadow__X:

?

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gpd:

I am going around in circles – now i have abandoned PC speaker / 2.1 audio systems and am considering 'Real' HiFi amplifier and speakers at the low end of the market — bound to be higher sound quality... and more flexible.

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Led-Hed:

I updated one of my frontends yesterday, and when I go to Recordings. Shows without a preview hang the menu for 10–15 sec. Then it generates the preview image. Anyone else having this problem.

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Led-Hed:

Version: release-0-21-fixes branch svn 18228

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jarle:

Led-Hed: yeah, seen that happen quite often...

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Led-Hed:

jarle, Its never happened to be in the 6 years I've been using MythTV.

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Led-Hed:

jarle, any idea what causes it or how to fix is?

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jarle:

Led-Hed: not sure what causes it, I'm at -fixes rev 18339 and I also have had the frontend crash at random times while browsing the list of recordings...

[16:32:33]

Led-Hed:

humm

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Led-Hed:

I might have to roll back a few versions to see when it happened.

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jarle:

Led-Hed: is this a major update for you?

[16:33:35]

Led-Hed:

no.

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Led-Hed:

I use MiniMyth.

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jarle:

Led-Hed: I have seen this behaviour for the last couple of months at least

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Led-Hed:

So new releases come out quite regularly

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oobe:

after i make a transoding profile it doesnt show up in the menu when i select a recording in mythfrontend is there somthing special i need to do i fix this

[16:37:33]

Led-Hed:

the transcoded file must be placed in your "Videos" path

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Led-Hed:

if you are in the recordings menu when prior to the completion of the transcode then you may have to exit and re-enter the recordings menu.

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oobe:

Led-Hed, no i mean recordings that are already visable in mythtv recordings section

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Led-Hed:

oobe, well when you transcode them they become a different file

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oobe:

and im talking about selecting a custom transcoding profile to transode with but only the default ones show up small medium etc.

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Led-Hed:

oh I thought you ment the video itself not the profile. Ignore me. :)

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oobe:

Led-Hed, that totally not what im talking about and of course it does

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iamlindoro_:

Custom transcoding profiles don't work, you have to edit the existing ones (and don't change the names, either

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iamlindoro_:

)

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laga:

why doesn't it work?

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iamlindoro_:

laga: As I understand it, it is, and I'm quoting now "known unimplemented functionality."

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laga:

yet it's there in the menues. great

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

Wheeeeeee!

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gbee:

laga: yeah, as I said the other day it's a nasty bug

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laga:

oh. humm. is there a bug report?

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gbee:

don't think so, but please open one

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laga:

iamlindoro_: you seem to know a bit about it, do you want to open it?

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iamlindoro_:

sure

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laga:

we have a bug report about that in in mythbuntu.. but if it doesnt work at all then that's a moot point

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gbee:

technically it's an unimplemented feature, but offering the option when it doesn't work == bug

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iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5734

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np ;)

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iamlindoro_:

fignuts: Myth doesn't have anything to do with HDMI audio-- if you have HDMI audio working in linux/ALSA, myth will happily use it

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iamlindoro_:

So that's more or less a "yes, but it's not a myth thing"

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fignuts:

gotcha

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fignuts:

thanx

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fignuts:

i'm trying to decide between mythtv + some other smart home interface and lmce

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gbee:

fignuts: my frontend uses HDMI audio, whether or not it's supported depends on the hardware, video driver and alsa

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fignuts:

this is nvidia 6150 le... in an msi media live

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fignuts:

i'm hoping it's a good enough card for mythtv to look good

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iamlindoro_:

It's doubtful that card will have working HDMI audio in linux (I could be wrong, though)

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RyeBrye:

The video card has HDMI + audio?

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iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye: There are two options, really... those that take SPDIF as a passthough and mux it into the HDMI signal, and those with discrete audio hardware

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iamlindoro_:

most of the nVidias ar the former, most of the ATI are the latter

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... So you would just attach a cable from teh S/PDIF header on your motherboard to somewhere on the video card that spits out the HDMI?

[17:00:32]

RyeBrye:

or does it use an actual optical audio cable inside?

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wagnerrp:

yes, it just muxes the signal into the data stream

[17:00:48]

wagnerrp:

no, just a 2-wire digital cable

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wagnerrp:

like the 2-wire cable running from your optical drive

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iamlindoro_:

Whereas many/most of the ATI cards more or less have Audio hardware onboard

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wagnerrp:

there is a third option

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wagnerrp:

there are external boxes you can buy to mux the audio in

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wagnerrp:

but since theyre usually several hundred dollars, theyre not much of an option

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fignuts:

didn't realize there was that much to it

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127372 I see that it comes with an SPDIF cable, which is cool... Although the heatpipe on that thing looks massive

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wagnerrp:

also note that the internal spdif cables only support ac3 for multichannel audio

[17:05:51]

wagnerrp:

of course if HDTV is your source, thats also going to be your source audio format

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wagnerrp:

so not a big issue

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RyeBrye:

but if sdtv is your source, you'd not have any audio?

[17:06:32]

wagnerrp:

if sdtv is your source, you can pump 2-channel PCM (uncompressed)

[17:06:45]

wagnerrp:

or there are mechanisms in ALSA to encode to AC3 on-the-fly

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gbee:

mine is an Ati onboard x1250 – in case you were wondering, uses discrete audio – appears to Alsa like another audio device, to MythTV as ALSA:Spdif – works for both SD (mp1) and HD audio

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jarle:

I'm trying to debug why sometimes I get empty recordings. This is a log for one such recording, any hints? http://pastebin.ca/1208466

[17:09:49]

RyeBrye:

I might stick with sending audio out seperately – but I guess it wouldn't hurt to buy a card that could handle muxing it and sending audio out on HDMI at the same time

[17:10:04]

RyeBrye:

right now my home theater audio is non-existent... just using the TV's stereo speakers

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fignuts:

oh sweet, mythtv supports multi-room setups

[17:14:55]

fignuts:

lol you all already know that, sorry

[17:15:00]

fignuts:

reading the wiki

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fignuts:

i wish this remote that came with my media live would stop turning on my xbox

[17:15:52]

RyeBrye:

Apologies for the n00b question – but this card confuses me: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125228 – it has 2 DVI connectors on it, but it comes with the DVI to HDML adapter and the S/PDIF Cable – DVI doesn't have any audio pins, so from what I understand this one shouldn't be able to mux audio -> hdmi if it has to go through the dvi -> hdmi adapter, or do they have some trick up their sleeve?

[17:16:43]

wagnerrp:

HDMI does not have audio streams either

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wagnerrp:

err... audio pins

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wagnerrp:

the audio is just sent along the video, packetized in the bitstream

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RyeBrye:

Ahhhhh... I see

[17:18:42]

wagnerrp:

it does appear to have an audio cable supplied with it

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RyeBrye:

I wasn't aware that audio could be mixed into the bitstream of DVI – but now I see how they could have that kind of setup work

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fignuts:

ah crap... according to the wiki, i don't have a fast enough processor for hdtv playback :/

[17:20:08]

wagnerrp:

well HDMI and DVI are pin compatible, DVI does not support audio

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fignuts:

At least a 2800MHz CPU (for HTDV recording playback)

[17:20:33]

wagnerrp:

but its just a difference in standard

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wagnerrp:

you could have an HDMI output, give it a DVI bracket, and be just fine

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gbee:

fignuts: 2.4Ghz if you ask me, though my 2Ghz works ok

[17:21:14]

wagnerrp:

if you actually plugged a DVI device in, it would just autodetect that there was no audio support on the other end

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gbee:

so long as it's multi-core

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wagnerrp:

what kind of HDTV playback

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wagnerrp:

and you do realize that MHz is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS if you dont specify a processor architecture

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fignuts:

oh i have an amd 2400 (

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fignuts:

dual core

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gbee:

fignuts: yeah, mine is a 3600 x2, I'd say that's the minimum

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fignuts:

2.2ghz i think... and playback is from whatever i'll record from the hdhomerun that ups is bringing to me today

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wagnerrp:

amd never mad a 2400+ dual core, unless you mean 2.4GHz

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directhex:

wagnerrp, pentium 4! teh mhz master!

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fignuts:

AMD Athlon X2 BE-2400 Brisbane 2.3GHz Socket AM2 Dual-Core Processor Model ADH2400IAA5DO – OEM

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fignuts:

sorry 2.3 ghz

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gbee:

hdhomerun doesn't so HD, does it?

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directhex:

was about to say, be2400

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directhex:

gbee, nup

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gbee:

s/so/do/

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wagnerrp:

oh right, i forgot they restarted their naming sequence a couple months ago

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gbee:

ugh, that's confusing

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RyeBrye:

HDHR does HD

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fignuts:

when i change this over to seperate backend/frontend machines, maybe it'll work in one of those?

[17:24:31]

fignuts:

it's called HDhomerun

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm playing HD on an AMD Athlon 3200+ just fine...

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gbee:

sorry, confusing it with an analogue grabber – which the homerun isn't

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

just 720p MPEG2... for MPEG4 you'd need much more horsepower...

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A|work: heh

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fignuts:

my analog grabber is my cable box :P

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directhex:

good lord

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fignuts:

until it goes all digital

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directhex:

"HD" IS A MEANINGLESS TERM WHERE 'WHAT CPU DO I NEED' IS INVOLVED

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wagnerrp:

mpeg4 asp shouldnt not need much power

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

directhex: Yeah, you do have a good point there... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

*downloaded* mpeg4 avc should not need a whole lot of power either

[17:26:33]

fignuts:

no need to yell, some of us are new to this

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fignuts:

and gotta start somewhere

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wagnerrp:

basically, that 3200+ can handle up to maybe 6Mbps AVC

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directhex:

people who aren't new, and should know better, are busy being wrong

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fignuts:

and yes i'm rtfm'ing, this conversation started with what i read on the wiki

[17:27:15]

gbee:

well yeah, I can play mpeg2 1080i on my AMD Turion MT-30 (1.8Ghz) single core

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directhex:

some HD you can play on a pentium 4 over 2ghz. some HD you're looking at a 3ghz core 2 duo. it's all "HD"

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fignuts:

ok

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directhex:

gbee, mpeg2 is a toy codec in this day & age, so that's not really a shocker

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gbee:

directhex: aye and it's hardly relevant since no-one here broadcasts mpeg2 HD, it's AVC all the way

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directhex:

gbee, yanks only get mpeg2 though, so it's relevant to them

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fignuts:

cool

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** J-e-f-f-A|work is one of those yanks... :-( **

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fignuts:

i'm a yank

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gbee:

directhex: unless it's a HDPVR ;)

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directhex:

gbee, which only confuses matters

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directhex:

gbee, still no slice support?

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gbee:

the filesizes must be huge on mpeg2 1080i/720, they are big enough with AVC

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR's hardware encoder does not support slices

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wagnerrp:

theres not really anything they can do to fix that

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directhex:

¬_¬

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gbee:

directhex: haven't been paying attention to the ffmpeg developments

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wagnerrp:

unless the encoder does, and the firmware does not support it

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gbee:

oh right, hdpvr slice support ...

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gbee:

as opposed to improved playback

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fignuts:

does installing ubuntu with safe graphics mode (because that's all i can see on my tv for some reason) mean i'm stuck with it? i only get two resolution options now

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** gbee isn't switched on tonight **

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directhex:

fignuts, "safe" means "no driver, no advanced things like selecting resolutions or accelerated video playback or 3d"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: If using a TV, your max resolution is probably 1024x768, of which it get scaled down to about 640x480 for encoding to TV video...

[17:34:01]

fignuts:

crap

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fignuts:

it's 800 x 600 max

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ sounds about right...

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A|work, que?

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fignuts:

sounds wrong :P

[17:35:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: NTSC video is only 720x480...

[17:35:43]

fignuts:

i suppse, any smaller and i can't see ubuntu on my tv

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directhex:

directhex@despair:~$ grep "Virtual screen" /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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directhex:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1360 x 768

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: Unless you're running a HDTV... then you can go much higher...

[17:35:56]

fignuts:

it is an hdtv

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fignuts:

and i'm connected via hdmi

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directhex:

you are going NOWHERE without a driver

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fignuts:

i probably need a driver :)

[17:36:15]

fignuts:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: Then you should be able to run the native resolution with the proper driver and modeline...

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fignuts:

ok

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wagnerrp:

except that most tvs will not allow you to run at the native resolution

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: I'm running a 22" lcd on one frontend, nvidia card, nvidia binary driver, at the native 1650x1080 resolution...

[17:37:12]

fignuts:

ok

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fignuts:

i'll go find a driver

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fignuts:

i'm new to linux/ubuntu as in having used it for a half hour in the "don't touch my computer" mode

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: ^^^ But that is an LCD Monitor, not a TV – your TV is probably much more selective as to the modes it will lock on to...

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A|work, there are pretty much only 3 resolutions used by non-CRT HD TVs. and on a modern system, EDID ought to work

[17:39:46]

directhex:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "nvidia-auto-select"

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directhex:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1360 x 768

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fignuts:

at nvidia's site, does "geforce 6 series" mean 6150?

[17:39:53]

directhex:

yes

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fignuts:

thanks

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directhex:

and please don't download from nvidia.com if your distro supports proper instalation

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directhex:

it'l only damage your system

[17:40:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: Note that the driver isn't going to do you any good unless you actually install Linux on the box... Running a "Live CD" isn't going to cut it, unless it's already included on the CD...

[17:40:40]

fignuts:

hehe i did install it now :)

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fignuts:

dual boot with lmce

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fignuts:

for now

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fignuts:

directhex: ok

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directhex:

System, Administration, Hardware Drivers, tick the box

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fignuts:

oh i see

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fignuts:

it's downloading now :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: My frontend is a Nvidia 6200LE btw... Connected via DVI, EDID detected the monitor's resolution on boot, and I didn't even have to touch a modeline... ;-)

[17:42:58]

fignuts:

i really should be studying my electronics homework but this is much more fun

[17:43:17]

fignuts:

my tv doesn't even have dvi

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fignuts:

3 hdmi, 2 component video, other stuff, and vga

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: So do you have a DVI -> HDMI cable?

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fignuts:

straight hdmi

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fignuts:

the msi media live has hdmi right on it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: Cool. ;-)

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fignuts:

got it open box for $200 :D

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: You won't get audio on that HDMI link btw...

[17:44:57]

fignuts:

yeah for now i have analog audio seperate

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fignuts:

not sure where i'll go from here, i'm using my tv's optical output to my only optical input on my crappy stereo

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fish_:

hi

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fignuts:

i have a feeling i'll end up using mythtv +some other smart home system instead of lmce... mythtv looks like it's more mature

[17:47:09]

fignuts:

and the interface looks cool (based on the screenshots i saw)

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fish_:

is there multiproto support in the upcoming 0.22/current trunk?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: By "Smart Home System" are you talking about X-10 control?

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fignuts:

or z-wave or insteon

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fignuts:

insteon can be controlled via ipod touch, and i think mythtv can be as well?

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fignuts:

so it'd be nice to use the same kind of control

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fignuts:

i'm not too keen on spending money on crapple products but if it works it works

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fignuts:

but i'm looking to control this system beyond a simple IR remote, somehow

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fignuts:

i have a windows 2003 pda, windows mobile 2005 smartphone, blackberry pearl

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: I have had X-10 stuff for years in my home... I use 'heyu' to control & monitor stuff. Granted, the newer stuff is better (and 2-way iirc), but what i've got now is good enough... ;-)

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fignuts:

heyu is an app to control it?

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fignuts:

what i want is good wireless stuff with feedback (rf) and computer control

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fignuts:

seems cheaper that way

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: It's an app that controls X-10 through an X-10 computer serial interface adapter... (CM11A iirc)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fignuts: and I use "BlueLava" as a html frontend to heyu... ;-)

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fignuts:

sweet ups is here

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fignuts:

hdhomerun :D

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RyeBrye:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/displ . . . mputers.html

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fignuts:

and 1TB hard drive

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RyeBrye:

Anyone see that? Apparently ATI will have HD playback accelerated on linux in October?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: Now if NVidia will just follow suit!!!!!!

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RyeBrye:

it's really unclear wtf they mean though – since they don't specify codecs... etc. – anyone know any more about this?

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fignuts:

he left before i had a chance to give him a hug

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laga:

RyeBrye: with their proprietary driver :(

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** J-e-f-f-A|work hads off to a conf call... **

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kormoc:

"Initially such support will be offered for OEMs only, which means that appropriate drivers will only be available for system integrators and/or will work on certain systems only."

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kormoc:

whee

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but if NVidia did it, it would also be with their binary blob

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kormoc:

way to go ati

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

..er 'heads'... ;-)

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laga:

RyeBrye: ACK

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laga:

kormoc: well, if those drivers leak, it might be possible to hack them

[17:59:24]

laga:

still, it's nothing i'd want to use.

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laga:

maybe they'll add MOAR hacks to the linux kernel to allow protected hdcp paths

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fignuts:

do frontends and backends have to be all on the same switch like lmce? or will a router work?

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** kormoc blinks **

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RyeBrye:

a router can work

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wagnerrp:

they should be on the same network

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kormoc:

fignuts, as long as they can talk, they don't care

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wagnerrp:

if theyre across a router, youll have to fiddle with port forwarding, but it will work

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kormoc:

and a router is typically a switch on the internal side

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fignuts:

lol... now that i installed the video driver, i don't get 800 x 600 anymore... it's 640 x 480

[18:02:58]

wagnerrp:

its not like the tv can display better than <something>x480

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, mine can!

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fignuts:

sure it can

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fignuts:

it can display 1080p

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wagnerrp:

not over the composite/svideo outputs

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fignuts:

i also don't get any video on the hdmi input anymore, just vga

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, Where did he say he was using svideo/composite?

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wagnerrp:

didnt, im just not really paying attention

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fignuts:

lol

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fignuts:

:)

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fignuts:

my gf bought me a "hacking ubuntu" book... i'll check that

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fignuts:

nope

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fignuts:

crap

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atomjack:

anyone evr run into a problem with navigating the video list section of mythvideo where sometimes the cursor doesn't update properly? ie, you hit the down arrow key, but the border surrounding the currently selected video or directory doesn't move to the proper one...it ends up making it almost un-navigatable..this is in ubuntu 8.04.1

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kormoc:

Can't say that I have

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atomjack:

hrm. it's really strange. i just switched from fc8 and i never had this prob before

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fignuts:

why would installing the nvidia driver (via hardware drivers in ubuntu) lower my vga screen resolution and completely take out hdmi?

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kormoc:

fignuts, because you haven't configured it?

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fignuts:

the only part where i can see to configure it is screen resolution

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kormoc:

fignuts, editing the xorg.conf file or using something like the nvidia control panel

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fignuts:

there is no nvidia control panel

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kormoc:

fignuts, you didn't install it then

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fignuts:

i was told not to use the driver at nvidia's website because it'll break my machine

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** kormoc shrugs **

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fignuts:

so i went to administration<hardware drivers and installed from there

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kormoc:

check to see if they have another package with the nv control panel or the like

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kormoc:

or read the driver's man page and edit your xorg.conf file

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fignuts:

nvidia system tools perhaps

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fignuts:

nm only for windows

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fignuts:

did you use nvidia's driver from the web?

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** cesman would nividia-utils... **

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fignuts:

i didn't see an option to just download the nvidia utilities

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cesman:

As Debian packages it, I'd be surprised if Ubuntu does not

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cesman:

check your package manager or

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cesman:

apt-cache search nvidia-utils

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fignuts:

ok

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fignuts:

search in package manager found many for nvidia but nothing for nvidia-utils

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fignuts:

xserver-xorg-video-nv package?

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cesman:

no, that is the open source driver for nvidia chpsets

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fignuts:

nvidia-xconfig?

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cesman:

maybe

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** cesman doesns't use ubuntu **

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fish_:

fignuts: maybe you have to enable restricted package sources?

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wagnerrp:

nv is the open source, nvidia is the closed, you want the closed

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fignuts:

ok

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fignuts:

it's hard to do it because of how bad my resolution is

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fignuts:

just working with the package manager

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iamlindoro_:

I think it's nvidia-glx-new?

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iamlindoro_:

ish?

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rage__:

sigh, I'm beginning to hate myth!

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iamlindoro_:

sigh, I'm beginning to hate rage__

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rage__:

fix my myth

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rage__:

and I'll love you

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not that dependent on praise, sorry

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iamlindoro_:

You can't be around here

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rage__:

I never offered praise

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iamlindoro_:

Fine, then I'm not interested in your love

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fignuts:

nvidia-glx-new is installed

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rage__:

are you interested in a kick to the forehead? :P

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fignuts:

so that's fine, but from "screen resolution" in preferences i can't get any better resolution

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iamlindoro_:

Believe me when I say that you'd never manage that

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rage__:

are you really tall?

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kormoc:

fignuts, nvidia-xconfig is likely it

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Dagmar:

Praise?

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Dagmar:

Generally I'm just happy with people not calling me an asshole when I tell them that what they want is impossible.

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fignuts:

found it

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: good luck with *that* ;)

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fignuts:

removes nvidia-glx-new

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro_:

That will remove your driver, but hey, sounds fun

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: yeah, I think next time I'm just going to answer all of Ediehow's OT questions with "Piss off"

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rage__:

hey Dagmar

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fignuts:

doh

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rage__:

I have a little bit more information about my prebuffering failed 10 times or w/e error

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Dagmar:

rage__: Generally that's a disk problem

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Dagmar:

Oh wait yes I remember you now

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rage__:

yeah

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rage__:

well it happens at the same spot

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rage__:

in a movie that gets replayed

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rage__:

every time

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rage__:

same spot(s)

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Dagmar:

I take notes about the frequency of some problems but seldom remember who

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Dagmar:

rage__: That's very possibly spectacularly bad

[18:45:45]

rage__:

that's what you said last time

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rage__:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'd say copy the file to some other filename in the same directory, and then move the copy back over the original (nukeing it) and see if it plays

[18:46:02]

Dagmar:

IF it fails in the same spot, then you've jsut got a bad recording.

[18:46:10]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't, you need to start shopping for new disks

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fignuts:

so nvidia-xconfig must not be it if it removes my driver

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rage__:

ummmm

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Dagmar:

rage__: You *should* be seeing something in syslog if the disk is failing reads

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rage__:

I'm not just talking about playback

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rage__:

happens every time

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Dagmar:

Trying to simply read the file fails?

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rage__:

even in live tv

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rage__:

no no no

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rage__:

ok

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rage__:

I'm on channel X

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rage__:

movie comes on

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rage__:

x:xx:xx into the movie

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rage__:

it freezes (still in live tv)

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kormoc:

fignuts, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . ml#id2478593

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rage__:

after movie is over, movie replays again (still in live tv)

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kormoc:

fignuts, it's likely ubuntu being ubuntu

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rage__:

and at the same x:xx:xx in the movie, it will freeze again

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fignuts:

kormoc you rock

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rage__:

it's very consistent

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Dagmar:

rage__: Like, it fails at a certain time in all recordings?

[18:48:21]

rage__:

not sure about all, but within this movie that repeats on live tv

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rage__:

yes, same times

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Dagmar:

rage__: okay this is where we hav eto be VERY specific

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rage__:

I left it on that one channel the whole time I was talking to you last time

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rage__:

and every replay of the movie it'd freeze at the same spots

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Dagmar:

Is it like, one hour and 2 minutes for all recordings, or is it consistently at 57 minutes for one, and consistently at 92 minutes for another

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fignuts:

it's strange coming over to linux... i know where everything is in windows

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rage__:

my guess would be the latter

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Dagmar:

rage__: That would indicate a filesystem issue

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rage__:

I haven't timed how far into the movie it freezes on the one I've watched numerous times

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Dagmar:

Check the length of the recordings

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rage__:

it doesn't freeze + lock

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rage__:

it just freezes for a good 20–30 seconds

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rage__:

then resumes live tv

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fignuts:

i actually have to read confirmation windows and all that stuff

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rage__:

(minus the chunk it was froze up on)

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rage__:

(so it always stays synced to current live tv)

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Dagmar:

rage__: This was ext3 you're using locally right?

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rage__:

yes

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Dagmar:

rage__: Like, this isn't a vfat filesystem shared over NFS or something is it?

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rage__:

nope

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rage__:

however

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ultra:

crap registered

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rage__:

the path I have for myth recordings is /media/myth

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Dagmar:

rage__: Like, that sort of consistency would indicate that somehow the thing got built with broken "largefile" support

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rage__:

/media is mounted to hdb1

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rage__:

I even tried unmounting /media

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rage__:

creating folder myth

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rage__:

(my root is on hda3)

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rage__:

and it did the same thing

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rage__:

so that'd have to be 2 bad disks/filesystems

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Dagmar:

Yeah, where you mount it shoudln't be able to affect anything

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rage__:

no, but I'm saying I tried 2 different discs

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rage__:

so unless both are bad, I think we can eliminate hardware failure in the hd area

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rage__:

<Dagmar> rage__: Like, that sort of consistency would indicate that somehow the thing got built with broken "largefile" support

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Dagmar:

Like I said, if it's having issues at a consistent *time* in the recordings, but nto the same time in all recordings, then that would indicate there's a problem coming at the filesystem layer, probably when it tries reading past the 2Gb mark

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rage__:

the thing?

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Dagmar:

LIke, you know how you can't make a file greater than 4Gb on a VFAT filesystem?

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rage__:

ah

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rage__:

well I don't believe that to be the case either

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Dagmar:

...because there's a pointer that has to be used for writing into the file that only "counts" to 4Gb....

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rage__:

in that one movie it freezes for the first time only about.. oh..

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rage__:

5–10 minutes in

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rage__:

can't be more than 150mb or so used by that time

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kormoc:

and if you record a different movie, it freezes at that same 5–10 minute mark?

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Dagmar:

Then you've probably just got cooked recordings

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fignuts:

now where do i find this nvidia-xconfig?

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kormoc:

could be the capture card

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rage__:

kormoc, not sure — I haven't timed the exact spot

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Dagmar:

The thing to do about cooked recordings would be to make sure your capture card firmware is completely correct

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kormoc:

fignuts, nvidia bundles it with their driver, god only knows what ubuntu did with it

[18:54:41]

Dagmar:

Which capture card are you using?

[18:54:42]

rage__:

I've only noticed the consistency with specific spots within the same movie

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Dagmar:

fignuts: Dude, that utility isn't particularly necessary

[18:55:02]

Dagmar:

Why are you trying to find it anyway>?

[18:55:17]

fignuts:

with the driver installed, i can only get 640x480 resolution and no hdmi

[18:55:25]

kormoc:

Dagmar, cause hand editing his xorg.conf is beyond him?

[18:55:27]

fignuts:

without the driver, i get 800x600 and hdmi works

[18:55:39]

fignuts:

i'm new to linux, as in using it for an hour

[18:55:44]

Dagmar:

fignuts: Ah...

[18:55:54]

rage__:

hmm

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Anduin:

rage__: You are the one where mplayer works fine?

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Dagmar:

fignuts: You might want to take the driver installation issues specific to Ubuntu to #Ubuntu

[18:56:14]

rage__:

Anduin, I'm that guy, yes — but I misunderstood your question that day

[18:56:29]

fignuts:

ok dagmar

[18:56:30]

fignuts:

thanx

[18:56:42]

rage__:

I can't do mplayer Anduin

[18:56:50]

Dagmar:

Like, I can do a driver installation on "just any" Linux system with certain prerequisites in place uin under 5 minutes, but... Ubuntu has some stuff set up so newbs can do it that I know jack and squat about

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't want to tell you something that might break the "Ubuntu things"

[18:57:38]

laga:

for VGA drivers, use jockey-gtk or envy-ng

[18:58:08]

Dagmar:

laga: Is that what Ubuntu are using?

[18:58:25]

Dagmar:

I mean, the Ubuntu installs I've done here, It "just worked"

[18:58:51]

Dagmar:

I didn't have to prod it. It was actually kinda pushy about needing me to click a button to tell it it was okay to go get proprietary drivers

[18:58:59]

laga:

yeah. jockey-gtk/jockey-qt is some graphical driver installer which just installs the right package.

[18:59:10]

laga:

it's probably called restricted-manager these days.

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laga:

yeah, that was the app i mean.

[18:59:32]

laga:

envy-ng is some app to install newer drivers which are not in the repos by default

[19:00:05]

rage__:

I've also logged the front and backend with -v all

[19:00:17]

rage__:

and matched the frontend prebuffer error times with the back end

[19:00:24]

rage__:

and nothing out of the ordinary looks to be happening

[19:00:32]

Anduin:

rage__: Why not (mplayer)?

[19:00:35]

Dagmar:

rage__: But seriously. What capture card are you using?

[19:00:36]

rage__:

I'm getting quite frustrated — never had problems like this before

[19:00:44]

rage__:

it's some twinhan card dagar

[19:00:47]

rage__:

Dagmar*

[19:00:49]

Dagmar:

rage__: oh I can believe it

[19:00:55]

Dagmar:

Just be glad you're not getting spontaneous reboots

[19:00:59]

rage__:

lol

[19:01:02]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you're using a framebugger

[19:01:12]

rage__:

never had any problems with it before

[19:01:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's still a piece of junk

[19:01:24]

Dagmar:

So...

[19:01:37]

Dagmar:

If there's a problem with the media, then your encoder might be at fault

[19:01:52]

fignuts:

i'm realizing i'm not good with computers, i'm just good with windows :P

[19:02:04]

Dagmar:

...so I'm suggesting you look closely at the mythtv binary, or maybe pull 0.21-fixes again and recompilg

[19:02:10]

Dagmar:

s/recompilg/recompile/;

[19:02:24]

rage__:

look closely?

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rage__:

oh did I mention I'm working with current svn myth as well?

[19:02:53]

rage__:

fixes branch

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Dagmar:

So you're using 0.21-fixes or are you using trunk?

[19:03:34]

Dagmar:

Either way I'd just take a shot at getting the latest 0.21-fixes again

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rage__:

fixes branch revision 13842 is what I'm running at this moment

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Dagmar:

If you're having problems like that and you're using trunk, the thing to do would be to *report it as a bug in trac* and then prepare to go back to 0.21-fixes

[19:04:27]

Dagmar:

Christ

[19:04:29]

Dagmar:

That's OLD

[19:04:34]

rage__:

er

[19:04:35]

rage__:

wait

[19:04:35]

tomjones:

hi all just did a fresh install of the latest version of myth and output with pvr-350 tv-out. everything looks great except the OSD is way off center (to the point of screen-wrapping). i tried adjusting any of the offsets that i could find but did not have any luck. is there a way to shift the OSD left and right?

[19:04:36]

rage__:

I lied

[19:04:37]

rage__:

rofl

[19:04:37]

Dagmar:

Get the latest 0.21-fixes

[19:04:38]

rage__:

wrong folder

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laga:

16382

[19:04:43]

Dagmar:

That's *stilL* old

[19:04:48]

rage__:

18314

[19:04:52]

rage__:

:P

[19:04:53]

Dagmar:

mythtv-svn18089-k8–1mythtv

[19:04:54]

laga:

just a guess, that's what's in ubuntu ;)

[19:05:00]

laga:

Dagmar: ugh. that's old!

[19:05:15]

rage__:

yeah... get into the 18k 300's dag

[19:05:18]

Dagmar:

laga: Yeah, but I generally only rebuild about once a month

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Dagmar:

It's when I am seeing bug manifest that I update often

[19:05:49]

Dagmar:

s/bug/bugs/;

[19:06:26]

Dagmar:

I'd rather put a lot of effort into checking and testing and crafting each package carefully and precicely, than to do a half-assed job over and over again

[19:06:40]

laga:

for mythbuntu, i do almost weekly builds.

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laga:

when i'm really busy, i rely on users to poke me about it.

[19:07:03]

Dagmar:

That reminds me I swear I'll put some of my init scripts into the wiki this week

[19:07:26]

Dagmar:

I've got some problems "solved" here that I keep seeing people run into needlessly

[19:08:03]

laga:

like, mythbackend not reformatting your drive when starting?

[19:08:46]

Dagmar:

laga: Here, my post-install configuration steps are "Run mythtv-setup"

[19:09:26]

Dagmar:

laga: All those other bits, initializing the database, setting up mysql, creating mysql user accounts, and so on... those are all "dealt with" by the init scripts

[19:09:40]

Dagmar:

DB gets sanity checked each boot before mythbackend is started.

[19:09:54]

laga:

nice.

[19:10:10]

Dagmar:

This is stuff some of the package maintainers could eliminate their users having to deal with

[19:10:35]

laga:

we have that in the mythtv-database package ;)

[19:10:53]

laga:

it's still not foolproof. mysql.txt will have to go away completely at some point..

[19:12:33]

Dagmar:

If i've been reading correctly, it could go away *now*

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Dagmar:

If the backend is up, the frontend should be able to find it via uPnP discovery, and get the db location from it.

[19:13:16]

rage__:

what is that upnp stuff anyway?

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rage__:

first time I saw it was when I last updated

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Dagmar:

Basically, it's a hideously insecure protocol meant for home appliances/devices to request access to each other's resources.

[19:13:54]

rage__:

ah

[19:14:02]

rage__:

like media center

[19:14:04]

Dagmar:

It's "sort of" documented

[19:14:08]

directhex:

i want a upnp-rquipped fridge to send me cake on demand

[19:14:10]

rage__:

annoying me about finding my myth box

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directhex:

rage__, that IS UPnP

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Dagmar:

rage__: In theory, depending on what you've configured the myth box to allow, it should be able to *play* video that's on the Myth box

[19:15:12]

rage__:

I haven't manually configged anything related to upnp

[19:15:13]

Dagmar:

directhex: The cake is a lie.

[19:15:20]

Dagmar:

rage__: You don't have to

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rage__:

nor do I recall allowing/disallowing anything of the sort

[19:15:26]

rage__:

what's the default?

[19:15:50]

Dagmar:

rage__: About the closest you get to configuring it is there's one place in (I think) mythtv-setup where you can set a four digit PIN code

[19:16:42]

Dagmar:

Beyond that, uPnP basically has no access controls.

[19:16:52]

rage__:

hmm

[19:16:57]

Dagmar:

...and so you'll know I'm not being vague, I'll say it agaiin.

[19:17:04]

Dagmar:

uPnP has no access controls beyond that.

[19:17:11]

rage__:

I see the mythtv a/v renderer or something on my windows

[19:17:16]

Dagmar:

Yep

[19:17:21]

rage__:

how do I play media on my windows box from my myth box

[19:17:34]

Dagmar:

You'd need something that can play from a uPnP device

[19:17:48]

Dagmar:

I think MediaPlayer can do it with the right prodding, but don't quote me on that

[19:17:51]

gbee:

WMP can I thought

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Dagmar:

er WMP

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directhex:

windows media player CAN play from myth

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Dagmar:

I've not bothered to even try that yet

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directhex:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/wmp-upnp-06.jpg

[19:20:25]

tomjones:

hi all just did a fresh install of the latest version of myth and output with pvr-350 tv-out. everything looks great except the OSD is way off center (to the point of screen-wrapping). i tried adjusting the offsets that i could find but did not have any luck. is there a way to shift the OSD left and right?

[19:21:18]

directhex:

and music works too, of course. http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/wmp-upnp-04.jpg

[19:21:43]

Dagmar:

directhex: Ooooh

[19:21:47]

Dagmar:

I was wondering about that

[19:22:14]

Dagmar:

I've just about gotten my NAS box running

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Dagmar:

It's going to be time to waste 100s of hours tidying up id3 tags

[19:22:37]

wagnerrp:

VISTA windows media player can play from myth

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directhex:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

the xp versions dont have upnp support

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rage__:

how do you do it?

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wagnerrp:

and will never get upnp support

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directhex:

wagnerrp, i assume people aren't imbecillic enough to assume modern behaviour from the old 2001 release of the distro

[19:23:17]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's fine. My primary concern was whether or not the backend was making that information available

[19:23:18]

rage__:

like, do you have to go upen url and upnp:ip.to.server or something?

[19:23:25]

wagnerrp:

but it has nothing to do with the distro

[19:23:30]

wagnerrp:

its a self contained media player

[19:23:38]

wagnerrp:

its the same self contained media player

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wagnerrp:

it just does a check for vista

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Dagmar:

rage__: You'd probably be better off going with Winamp

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directhex:

rage__, upnp you don't explicitly connect to. it's auto-discovered

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directhex:

wagnerrp, the os itself has the upnp layer. they're choosing not to replace the one in xp, granted, but it IS os level

[19:24:59]

rage__:

hmph

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rage__:

I'm not really seeing it auto discovered

[19:25:29]

rage__:

only thing was my winboxen asking me if I want to share my stuff TO myth

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wagnerrp:

so XP only has partial UPNP support.. it doesnt understand DNLA?

[19:25:34]

Dagmar:

directhex: I hope for their sake you're wrong.

[19:25:46]

Dagmar:

An OS shoudln't have to "support" uPnP

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directhex:

rage__, it asked that because it was autodetected.

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directhex:

wagnerrp, pretty much

[19:26:01]

rage__:

I know

[19:26:11]

wagnerrp:

but if WMP is just accessing the OS libraries...

[19:26:15]

rage__:

but I'm not seeing any magidetection to *play* something now

[19:26:16]

wagnerrp:

rather than supplying its own

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Sounds like more "rely on us for your extra helping of fascism" code to me

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I've read through the RFCs and one of the testing tools I've got for uPnP is in perl

[19:27:36]

Dagmar:

uPnP shouldn't require OS support unless the goal is to tie it into more fucking "Trusted Computing" nonsense.

[19:27:46]

wagnerrp:

pretty much

[19:28:11]

Dagmar:

I may damn well start re-ripping my stuff to OGG.

[19:28:15]

directhex:

i think at its simplest level it's so the os can handle upnp shares via my computer

[19:28:21]

rage__:

time to swap in a different capture card

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directhex:

without needing any apps loaded

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Dagmar:

About 60 of my CDs are already in OGG, and the only thing I regret about is that I selected a bitrate of 160 instead of the 192 I used for the ones I ripped to mp3

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directhex:

i decided to re-rip things to aac

[19:29:13]

directhex:

for greater cross-device compatibiity

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Dagmar:

rage: Well, I don't think the capture card will have any effect, but it's worth a shot

[19:29:24]

tomjones:

hi all just did a fresh install of the latest version of myth and output with pvr-350 tv-out. everything looks great except the OSD is way off center (to the point of screen-wrapping). i tried adjusting the offsets that i could find but did not have any luck. is there a way to shift the OSD left and right?

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Dagmar:

rage: Unless of course you're replacing that with a PVR-150

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Dagmar:

directhex: OGG is the only format I can play with 100% free stuff on the Palm

[19:30:31]

directhex:

Dagmar, Ogg. it's not an abbreviation.

[19:30:54]

Dagmar:

directhex: Sorry man. Keep in mind how long I've been using computers.

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** directhex sends Dagmar to RECYCL~1 **

[19:31:22]

Dagmar:

I'm still used to reflexivley thinking "eight point THREE you f**ker!" when I see someone who has made a four letter file extention

[19:31:54]

Dagmar:

Waaaay before *~n

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Dagmar:

...although at least I've mostly replaced that with "why the hell are they putting dots in teh filename"

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fignuts:

when editing xorg.conf, and adding HorizSync, do i enter the entire range the tv supports from 480i to 1080p?

[19:33:48]

fignuts:

15750–67500

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wagnerrp:

dagmar: thats not true, way back i had a free media player on my palm (T-E) that supported mp3

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fignuts:

perhaps it's 15.75–67.5

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directhex:

fignuts, don't try adding that stuff until you KNOW it's needed

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directhex:

fignuts, a modern gpu with modern driver on modern hdtv should autodetect

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fignuts:

according to the tutorial i'm going over, that stuff not being there could be the problem

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directhex:

according to me, that's out of date

[19:35:14]

fignuts:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto

[19:35:20]

fignuts:

:/

[19:35:24]

directhex:

everything you change, on a computer, is something that can break or go wrong

[19:35:40]

directhex:

only change it as a last resort, when you KNOW it's needed

[19:36:28]

wagnerrp:

do i have to disable all backends when running mythtv-setup? or just the one im working on?

[19:36:37]

wagnerrp:

disable/kill/stop

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That green piece of crap Real supplies with the Palm *won't* play Ogg tho

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directhex:

because setting things like Modeline "1360x768" 85.50 1360 1476 1588 1776 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync

[19:36:44]

directhex:

by hand sorta sucks

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: im pretty sure it wasnt realplayer

[19:37:03]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I know which app you're talking about, and I ditched it because it only plays proprietary formats

[19:37:06]

fignuts:

problem is i don't know what else to change

[19:37:06]

wagnerrp:

but i dont remember the name off hand

[19:37:22]

Dagmar:

pTunes, right??

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt ring a bell

[19:38:06]

Dagmar:

www.pocket-tunes.com. It came with the T|X and the Tungsten E

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directhex:

fignuts, the xorg.conf on my server has NO custom fiddles at all

[19:38:27]

directhex:

fignuts, completely default config, loads 1360x768 all by itself

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wagnerrp:

not too concerned about it

[19:38:55]

wagnerrp:

i think i used it once to see if i could

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fignuts:

i think it's a matter of not detecting the tv's settings

[19:39:39]

wagnerrp:

for all i know, it could have been a pay-for-player, and i was just using a trial version

[19:39:46]

fignuts:

could it be that i have both vga and hdmi cables connected?

[19:39:57]

Dagmar:

If EDID is working, manually specifying resolution and refresh rates should be utterly unneccessary

[19:40:15]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It's got a "for pay" upgrade version that does WMA

[19:40:30]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: What you get for free pretty much only plays mp3 and wav I think

[19:40:33]

Dagmar:

I know it doesn't do ogg.

[19:40:54]

Dagmar:

Mostly I use AeroPlayer anyway because it does play ogg and mp3

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Dagmar:

...and doesn't nag the crap out of me.

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fignuts:

lol it works now that i removed the vga cable

[19:44:16]

fignuts:

damn i can't believe that was the problem

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fignuts:

weeeeeeee

[19:45:43]

Dagmar:

EDID was being confused

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Dagmar:

For it to autodetect things, there has to be *one* clear path to detect

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fignuts:

yeah it seems that way

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fignuts:

i was getting NO hdmi before, now i get beautiful 1080p

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fignuts:

time to install mythtv :)

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directhex:

now, be fair to it, that IS kinda confusing for autodetectings

[19:46:31]

Dagmar:

Agreed

[19:46:42]

Dagmar:

I didn't know he had both connected at once or I'd have said something

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fignuts:

hehehe

[19:46:59]

Dagmar:

The default behaviour is to clone the display

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Dagmar:

...which is why it was having fits.

[19:47:06]

fignuts:

now, theze bz2 files are packaged that should be installed from package manager, right?

[19:47:13]

Dagmar:

lol

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fignuts:

nm i will figure this out

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fignuts:

gotta do something on my won

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fignuts:

own

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justinh:

what bz2 files?

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dustybin:

my PCI low width card has arrived from the states, all i need now is a DMS-59 >> DUAL VGA lead, which ive ordered from ebay

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fignuts:

the mythtv downloads

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fignuts:

mythtv-0.32.tar.bz2

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** kormoc pats dustybin on the head **

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Anduin:

fignuts: use packages

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justinh:

they're not packages

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Dagmar:

fignuts: Those are source tarballs.

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kormoc:

that's nice dear, now go play with little jimmy

[19:48:12]

justinh:

they're source tarballs

[19:48:19]

** Dagmar smacks fignuts' hands and sternly says "NO!" **

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fignuts:

ah damn

[19:48:38]

Dagmar:

For the love of god use your distro's precompiled binaries if they exist

[19:48:57]

Dagmar:

If you're new to Linux, compiling from sources is NOT the thing to be doing.

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fignuts:

ok

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dustybin:

ive deleted the whole of my nvidia drivers and the whole mythtv source code. im now using the nvidia driver from the website, and re-compiling mythtv, hopefully this will stop the screen wizard from quiting for no reason

[19:49:17]

fignuts:

i must have grabbed the wrong d/l links

[19:49:23]

Dagmar:

You'd do better to buy a motorcycle knowing nothing about it, and then try to add a turbocharger to it.

[19:49:40]

fignuts:

there's a good idea

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directhex:

fignuts, by virtue of being free, most linux apps are avaialble right in the os

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directhex:

fignuts, system/administration/synaptic package manager. search for mythtv

[19:50:48]

fignuts:

got it already

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fignuts:

getting the hang of this

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directhex:

fignuts, tick the box next to "mythbuntu-control-center", and let that guide you

[19:51:07]

fignuts:

ok :)

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fignuts:

i was just about to pick the "mythtv" one

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directhex:

that would kinda work too

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tomjones:

can anyone direct me to the offset/resize setting for the myth OSD?

[19:56:41]

fignuts:

i think next my laptop is gonna get ubuntu

[19:57:03]

directhex:

i wonder if my next laptop will boot it

[19:57:31]

fignuts:

old laptop?

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fignuts:

why wouldn't it?

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directhex:

fignuts, very modern

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wagnerrp:

people with those 25-passenger vans should be required to get their CDL

[20:26:13]

wagnerrp:

maybe... any vehicle rated for over 8 passengers

[20:26:35]

wagnerrp:

they think their size gives them a right to be a jackass

[20:27:01]

wagnerrp:

i go up to the local corner store, and i have nowhere to park, because one of them is taking three spots

[20:27:01]

Dagmar:

Tell me about it

[20:27:09]

wagnerrp:

they were too large to be bothered to park properly

[20:27:23]

Dagmar:

I've been driving a scooter less than a month, and I've already had some jackass in an SUV deliberately ignore my presence to do a lane merge.

[20:27:48]

Dagmar:

It's a good thing I wear a signet ring.

[20:27:59]

wagnerrp:

suvs are non-starters compared to the ginormous vans, there just happens to be a lot more of them

[20:28:05]

Dagmar:

I'd hate for them to think it was just some random road damage on that quarterpanel.

[20:30:01]

wagnerrp:

besides, SUVs ignore everyone on the road, not just small scooters

[20:30:25]

wagnerrp:

my parents have a 37' motorhome, and they manage to elude the vision of SUV drivers

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Dagmar:

Tell me about it.

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justinh:

how about just making a sweeping statement about SUV drivers all being dickheads?

[20:32:17]

justinh:

it's not that they don't or can't see. it wouldn't make any difference if they could – THEY OWN THE ROAD

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Dagmar:

My "car" is a BMW 325i which I call "The Beemerskate"

[20:32:44]

Dagmar:

Barring a Mini Cooper, it's one of the smallest damn things on the road.

[20:32:59]

laga:

um, a bmw 325i is not actually small...

[20:33:22]

Dagmar:

laga: Let me assure you the 1991 one is very small.

[20:33:32]

laga:

no. :)

[20:33:35]

Dagmar:

There are newer ones which is larger.

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laga:

but i'm used to european cars.

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justinh:

smallest thing on the road == Smart

[20:34:02]

wagnerrp:

E30 or E36?

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Dagmar:

Compared to like a Trabi or something I'm sure it's a luxury car.

[20:34:18]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: they made both but I was thinking it was supposed to be E35, actually

[20:34:45]

Dagmar:

It's about 2/3 the length of the average car.

[20:35:07]

Dagmar:

I can park it just about anywhere

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Shadow__X:

can someone help me with my transfer of recordings issue

[20:35:46]

wagnerrp:

seems its around 170"

[20:35:57]

Shadow__X:

the recordings play but in mythweb i dont have a thumbnail and in the fe they arent seekable

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: So google up "repair seektable mythtv"

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wagnerrp:

my dad's car is... 157"

[20:37:00]

Shadow__X:

because asking is easier

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Shadow__X:

:D

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Dagmar:

Ah... E30

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wagnerrp:

the dingy jeep towed behind the motorhome is the same length as your bmw

[20:38:26]

Dagmar:

170x64x54.

[20:38:51]

Dagmar:

That picture on Wikipedia pretty much is my car

[20:39:16]

Dagmar:

I still don't know what those metal loops on the bumper are, but the rear one is damn handy for chaining the schooter to

[20:39:18]

wagnerrp:

my grand prix is only 196, not all that much larger

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Dagmar:

Living in the city with so many SUVs that a minor panic caused a run on gas that started FRIDAY last week, I get more than my share of asshole SUV drivers who think that my small car means they have the right of way

[20:40:52]

Dagmar:

Little do they know, I throw shit.

[20:41:01]

Dagmar:

On the scooter, I can kick and punch

[20:41:19]

Dagmar:

it's always good to keep some change in the ashtray

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** kormoc renames #mythtv-users to #random-bitchfest **

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laga:

kormoc: and you are bitching, too?

[20:41:57]

wagnerrp:

just bitching at the bitchers, you bitch!

[20:41:59]

kormoc:

laga, funny how that works, no?

[20:42:01]

laga:

heh+

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Dagmar:

kormoc: well, do you have any other suggestions of what we should do until the next batch of functional illiterates shows up asking for help with XBMC?

[20:42:17]

kormoc:

Heh, not really

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wagnerrp:

lets cyber

[20:42:22]

kormoc:

just grumpy today :P

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rage__:

heh. My capture card refused to work in any PCI slot except 1.

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rage__:

quite interesting

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justinh:

time to ditch that crappy motherboard?

[20:44:49]

rage__:

thinking so

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rage__:

who still uses an amd xp 1.4ghz anyway

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laga:

i do

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Dagmar:

It'd make an excellent service firewall

[20:46:02]

Dagmar:

Should be able to do 100base-T at wire speeds

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wagnerrp:

i sold my old one to a friend, to give to his aunt, about 2 hours ago

[20:47:10]

wagnerrp:

i imagine theyre still using it as a primary desktop

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wagnerrp:

my sister has an identical machine, although she usually uses her laptop

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clever:

done installing a temp probe in my laptop

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wagnerrp:

i have my digital tuner set up as priority 15, but the scheduler is still using my two analogs at priority 0

[21:05:17]

wagnerrp:

are HD and SD versions not recognized as the same by the scheduler?

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Shadow__X:

you have to have it record the hd one

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wagnerrp:

i think its not recognizing the HD version

[21:10:58]

wagnerrp:

it sees the OTA versions, but the tuner is now connected to a different video source, which its not seeing

[21:11:20]

wagnerrp:

flush and re-download the schedule?

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Shadow__X:

i would look at your backend

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Shadow__X:

and straighten that out

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Shadow__X:

also in mythweb in settings you can see if the channels are using the same id

[21:12:13]

Shadow__X:

to update

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wagnerrp:

well i switched my digital tuner from OTA to cable, and i think the old schedules are messing things up

[21:12:19]

Shadow__X:

giving you the right priority

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wagnerrp:

the channels are using the same names

[21:12:39]

Shadow__X:

names are one thing the id is different

[21:13:15]

wagnerrp:

well OTA was 5xxx, digital cable is 7xxx

[21:13:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah, mythweb is reporting the digital channels are still the OTA versions

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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fignuts:

dumb question, how do i launch mythtv after installing the mythbuntu control center packages?

[21:14:26]

Shadow__X:

you should fix that

[21:14:30]

Shadow__X:

thats happened to me as well

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fignuts:

oh i never got the config done

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fignuts:

maybe after that

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iamlindoro_:

Most likely Programs->Multimedia->MythTV or some such

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fignuts:

ok

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fignuts:

i realized there's more packages to be installed

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Shadow__X:

hey to move recordings to a new db do i need to have the same channel line up

[21:17:35]

Shadow__X:

?

[21:18:07]

iamlindoro_:

No, although some of the channel info might get a little silly looking in Watch Recordings

[21:18:32]

iamlindoro_:

Nothing serious, though

[21:18:37]

Shadow__X:

well i am trying to get mythtv to see my recordings properly but i dont know where i am failing

[21:18:45]

Shadow__X:

mythweb sees my recordings

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Shadow__X:

but no thumbnails

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iamlindoro_:

You should rm the mythweb cache thumbnails

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Shadow__X:

and fe plays the recordings but they arent seekable

[21:19:16]

iamlindoro_:

and for that, you should rebuild the seektables

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[21:19:35]

Shadow__X:

that would fix everything

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Shadow__X:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, and then you'll win the lottery and your children will become wealthy

[21:20:05]

Shadow__X:

hmm

[21:20:06]

iamlindoro_:

How would I know? That is the fix for the problems you are describing

[21:20:07]

Shadow__X:

i dont want all that

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iamlindoro_:

whether it would "fix everything?" Well, I'm smart enough to stay away from promises like *that*

[21:20:34]

Shadow__X:

heh

[21:20:38]

Shadow__X:

tried to get ya

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Shadow__X:

so delete all the cache in mythweb data

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Shadow__X:

?

[21:22:35]

laga:

"die hard" is so awesome. why don't they make movies like that anymore?

[21:23:26]

Dagmar:

They've made what, three sequels to it

[21:23:37]

laga:

i need moar

[21:23:38]

wagnerrp:

because michael bay confuses ideas with special effects

[21:23:52]

Dagmar:

Hey man, taking out a helicopter with a car is pretty specia

[21:23:53]

Dagmar:

l

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wagnerrp:

did he do the 4th one?

[21:24:12]

Dagmar:

I'm unamused with the edit they made for the DVD tho

[21:24:52]

Dagmar:

"I was out of bullets" is just limp compared to "Hey, 10,000 people die in car accidents every year, that was just like 2–3 more"

[21:25:22]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i deleted cache but thens i forgots where its linked to

[21:25:25]

Shadow__X:

:(

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wagnerrp:

he said the former in the theater didnt he?

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Dagmar:

No, he said the longer form in the theatre

[21:25:52]

Dagmar:

It was on TV last night which is why it's fresh in my mind

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wagnerrp:

actually, i dont remember if i saw that in the theater or not

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RyeBrye:

anyone else here use openDNS? it seems that their dns servers are down now :(

[21:26:00]

Dagmar:

My coworker pointed out the difference to me

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Dagmar:

It also makes for a less "what?" transition that he's cracking a joke there when about five minutes later he's up and glowering at people again

[21:27:02]

wagnerrp:

i just tried both of their public servers, they both worked fine

[21:27:36]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp – thanks for checking. I'll go poke my router and see what's up

[21:27:44]

wagnerrp:

err... no they dont

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RyeBrye:

oh, are they down?

[21:27:59]

wagnerrp:

they redirected google.com to one of their local addresses

[21:28:31]

wagnerrp:

no, that is a google address...

[21:28:54]

wagnerrp:

why would they rename it internally to 'google.navigation.opendns.com.'?

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RyeBrye:

their DNS servers are at 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 – do they respond to pings from you?

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Dagmar:

You know what I have to say about DNS servers that mysteriously redirect queries to their own address sapace?

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wagnerrp:

didnt check for pings, but they responded to digs

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Dagmar:

Don't use them.

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RyeBrye:

Ah, you dug with them? cool.

[21:30:58]

Dagmar:

You know what I call the people who run DNS servers that effectively *lie* in their responses?

[21:31:01]

Dagmar:

Criminals

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I like openDNS because it provides a basic level of filtering that I can configure

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RyeBrye:

and up until today it was way more reliable than my ISP's DNS

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wagnerrp:

they seem to be redirecting to their own internal google mirror

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: I just set up my own caching BIND that answers no queries which didn't originate from my internal network.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrrp: Google that google.navigation.opendns.com name for interesting reading

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clever:

i made my own caching bind with some overrides for the .localnet domain

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clever:

which means that my name->ip setup is no longer spread across 20 /etc/hosts files

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Shadow__X:

clever you have any idea what the issue i am having

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clever:

its all neatly in 1 place, on the same box that controls dhco

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clever:

and i have no idea what your problem was

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Shadow__X:

i tranfered recordings from another computer

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Shadow__X:

did the backup sql stuff but now the recordings arent seekable

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wagnerrp:

google is the only one that seems to have a discrepancy from my local dns server

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Shadow__X:

and no thumbnails in mythweb

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Dagmar:

clever: Pray tell, why would you need "overrides" for a zone that doesn't exists until you create it?

[21:36:28]

wagnerrp:

although they have no record for my personal domain

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Shadow__X:

and i went to sites that talk about it

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Shadow__X:

but i still have no thumbnails

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clever:

Dagmar: i could simply be using the wrong term to refer to what i did

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RyeBrye:

My friend just IM'ed me out of the blue and told me that his ISP's DNS is screwed up too... weird

[21:36:54]

clever:

Shadow__X: did the hostname change?

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: did you happen to do what I said earlier?

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Dagmar:

Did you repair the seektables?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: OpenDNS made the wrong decision with respect to this thing

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Dagmar:

There's serious logical gaps in http://blog.opendns.com/2007/05/22/google-turns-the-page/

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Shadow__X:

the hostnames are diff they are different computers

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S2:

i think they do it to log your searches

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S2:

simple and easy

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RyeBrye:

am I still here?

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S2:

there is no other plausible explanation for the dns spoof

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clever:

Shadow__X: all the data is stored internaly by hostname, using the override in mysql.txt you could trick mythtv into thinking it has the old hostname

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: In particular, they basically try to blame Google for something Dell is doing, since "uninstalling the Google Toolbar won't get rid of [the behaviour]"

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dustybin:

how can i clean up recordings what dont exist anymore?

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dustybin:

do i need to use: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl ?

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Shadow__X:

clever, it plays all the recordings

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Shadow__X:

just seeking and thumbnails are gone

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clever:

Shadow__X: im surprised it can even do that

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Anduin:

dustybin: you want the orphans one

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Shadow__X:

why is that

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dustybin:

Anduin: any idea where you can download it?

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.find_orphans.pl

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dustybin:

that doesnt show much

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gbee:

should be installed if using packages, in the mythtv/contrib directory if using source

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dustybin:

aye thanks

[21:50:08]

dustybin:

actually im not using packages

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dustybin:

ive compiled it myself

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dustybin:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8125 2008-09–22 20:27 myth.find_orphans.pl

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dustybin:

found it :-)

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dustybin:

thanks

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dustybin:

worked :-)

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dustybin:

i didnt realise all these scripts existed

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dustybin:

thats what happens with you _DONT_ RTFM

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dustybin:

when

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Dagmar:

No, really?

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dustybin:

out of curosity, i tried this

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dustybin:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here ever tried to get a Hauppauge 1600 working? Wiki said it would work, but I can't get it to lock for some reason.

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dustybin:

but it errored with this: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2727

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kormoc:

dustybin, so you need that perl module

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dustybin:

ok ill find it, and test :-)

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dustybin:

kormoc: there are thousands of perl modules on cpan, it could be anything

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kormoc:

dustybin, it tells you which one, time::format

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dustybin:

Can't locate Time/Format.pm

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dustybin:

ok ill install

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fignuts:

can i swear in here?

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GreyFoxx:

Preferably not :)

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laga:

hell no

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fignuts:

mythtv is f**king beautiful

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fignuts:

\m/

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fignuts:

i haven't actually used it yet, but so far all the setup stuff is actually working

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directhex:

i think it should be a pretty basic expectation of released software that it works

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directhex:

but, sadly, it's not often the case

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EnderTheThird:

I'm having a heck of a time getting my WinTV 1600 to lock a digital channel

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** janneg wants this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7NxCM8ryF8 **

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janneg:

I think suspend to ram takes longer on my thinkpad

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laga:

it can be yours for just 299€.

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janneg:

Arjan van de Ven is booting a Asus eeePC in 5 seconds

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janneg:

laga: hardware is not the problem, I want the software

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laga:

then ask him ;)

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laga:

what are you using to watch youtube videos, btw?

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janneg:

mplayer

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Shadow__X:

clever, any ideas

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, you here

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janneg:

and a download tool

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laga:

ah.

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fignuts:

trying to figure out signal strength

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fignuts:

96% of what?

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dustybin:

grrrrr ive suddenly got a tearing issues, never had this before, im using a modelines where this has never happened before

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** dustybin confused **

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janneg:

laga: committed

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wagnerrp:

fignuts: means youre getting 96% of the data

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laga:

janneg: thanks

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fignuts:

that's not good

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 70%, you reach the point where the missing data actually matters

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fignuts:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

fignuts: the stream is designed with considerable redundancy

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dustybin:

grrrrrrrri think it was sync to vblank on nvidia-settings

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dustybin:

:-)

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dustybin:

bastard, i been on this for 3 days

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fignuts:

didn't know that, and i'm a cable guy

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fignuts:

i do know that for a cable box not to work, things gotta get pretty bad

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wagnerrp:

awesome, NBC and CBS are on the same cable multiplex

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iamlindoro_:

Nice

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ultra:

oops

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ultra:

need a better wireless router

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wagnerrp:

i ended up having to flush out all the old OTA HD channels from the database

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ultra:

with gigabit lan :D

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janneg:

laga: please drop the ubuntu patch and just sync the svn rev

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wagnerrp:

for it to recognize the new digital cable ones with the same name

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laga:

janneg: will do

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wagnerrp:

why do you need gigabit lan on your router, or connected to your wireless AP?

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wagnerrp:

you have to have several frontends before mythtv will need gigabit

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, ya there

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Shadow__X:

:D

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wagnerrp:

now if only i could get scifi..., or discovery... or usa...

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Shadow__X:

i didnt have everything in qam

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Shadow__X:

i did have a good bit though

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow__X: I am in and out... and out right now, actually, going home

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fignuts:

drive safe

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fignuts:

watch out for snakes

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iamlindoro_:

If it's something very specific to me, you can ask and I will see it sometime this evening

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wagnerrp:

now to figure out what these unnamed channels are

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fignuts:

i'm doing the scans right now

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dustybin:

i have these faint verticle white bands/bars, they show up mostly when the background is black, anyone heard of these?

[22:38:58]

dustybin:

the bands/bars only show up when i adjust the screen to fit properly with the screen wizard

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dustybin:

otherwise these bars do not show at all

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dustybin:

how odd ?!

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Shadow__X:

ah alright drive safew iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

well one of the unnamed channels features Judge Extreme Akim

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wagnerrp:

he seems to have a bat of justice

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fignuts:

damn

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fignuts:

can't get my hdhomerun to work with it

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fignuts:

does anybody have a hdhomerun?

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Shadow__X:

anyone have ideas how i can get seeking to work

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Shadow__X:

i tried the page

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Shadow__X:

on myth wiki

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Shadow__X:

but they didnt really work

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, are they all mpeg-2 files?

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Shadow__X:

si

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iamlindoro:

You can *try* mythtranscode --buildindex --mpeg2 --infile somefilename.ext

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iamlindoro:

If it's the index that's damaged somehow that might help[

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Shadow__X:

i have tried that but i get an error

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Shadow__X:

ill try again

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iamlindoro:

I usually combine that with the mythcommflag seektable rebuild and get good results

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't get any error

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Shadow__X:

i currently put mytthcomflagg to rebuild on all the shows

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Shadow__X:

but now my queue is too big

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iamlindoro:

And what do you mean by "didn't really work," anyway?

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iamlindoro:

Need real info

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iamlindoro:

Didn't really work your computer belched fire and your daughter is knocked up?

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Shadow__X:

seeking doesnt work

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iamlindoro:

Didn't really work and there was an error?

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Shadow__X:

lol

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iamlindoro:

So it's not "didn't really work," it's "didn't work."

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Shadow__X:

didnt work

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Shadow__X:

:)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, You should work on getting mythtranscode --buildindex working

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iamlindoro:

did you do it with all the command line options I mentioned?

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fignuts:

hardy is the latest ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

no need to wait for your job queue, just run it in a command window

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Dagmar:

For fuck's sake

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Dagmar:

I don't know how much damn clearer I can make it

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iamlindoro:

fignuts, look at the front page of ubuntu.org and you tell us

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Dagmar:

The seektable needs to be rebuilt or seeking will not work.

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fignuts:

ok

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iamlindoro:

actually, it may be ubuntu.com

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iamlindoro:

one of those is some weirdo group

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Dagmar:

How someone can run the command for rebuilding the seektable and just STARE at it without doing anything when they get an error and start looking for some other solution makes me wonder how the hell they get dressed in the morning without choking to death on their socks.

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fignuts:

it's .com

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fignuts:

yes hardy heron

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iamlindoro:

See how much more welcome that would have been than asking us to do it for you? ;)

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, big hug?

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fignuts:

yeah sorry

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Shadow__X:

my mistake i have been out of it today

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Shadow__X:

my fault it was pure igorance

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progress0r:

anyone have any ideas why the program guide is slow when moving around in the channel listing?

[23:13:52]

iamlindoro:

Usually points to database issues or issues with channel icons

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progress0r:

also ive been tempted to get an extra digital box from my cable provider. Anyone had any luck in hooking one of these up to get better resolution?

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progress0r:

iamlindoro: ah – yeah it always tells me it cant find icons

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iamlindoro:

Then that's likely your issue

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iamlindoro:

So either put icons where it expects/fix permissions, or eliminat its looking for them

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progress0r:

how can i fix? schedules direct cant get all the icons or the channel info for some reason

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progress0r:

ok

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iamlindoro:

I presume by nulling out the proper field in the DB, but I'm not sure, not having needed to do it

[23:17:04]

progress0r:

anywhere i can download the icons and manually populate the db?

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iamlindoro:

You can run the icon grabber script to manually feed all the stuff to it, believe it's still in contrib in the source

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fignuts:

these themes are awesome

[23:19:12]

progress0r:

cool thanks

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dustybin:

jesus hell, the reason why i had faint bands showing when i used the screenwizard, was because my desktop was pure white, and it was bleeding into the image

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dustybin:

pure white desktop = NO NO NO

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Shadow__X:

sweet

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Shadow__X:

thanks iamlindoro it work

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Shadow__X:

ed

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Shadow__X:

awesome man

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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Shadow__X:

and thanks Dagmar for not completely ripping my head off

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fignuts:

hehe

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directhex:

he must like you!

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Shadow__X:

yay

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Shadow__X:

so uh how do i tell mythtrancode to rebuild the index for everyfile

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Shadow__X:

its not on the wiki

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fignuts:

i've been working on this pc for over 7 hours straight

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fignuts:

:/

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GreyFoxx:

mythcomflag --rebuild --all

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GreyFoxx:

That should do it

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Shadow__X:

i want to do mythtranscode rebuild index though

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GreyFoxx:

so you don't mean the seektable used by myth but instead the internal index in the file itself ?

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Shadow__X:

using mythtrancode --buildindex -all keys worked

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Shadow__X:

any ideas how i can get it to do that to all files

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abqjp:

GreyFoxx: whenever I have tried to use "mythcomflag --rebuild --all", the total time of the show ends up doubling.

[23:36:04]

GreyFoxx:

abq: If it's reproducable put in it a ticket with as much detail as you can :)

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abqjp:

"mythtranscode --buildindex --mpeg2 --infile somefilename.ext" worked for me, even when the input file was from the HD-PVR h.264

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Shadow__X:

i just want mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile <filepath>

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Shadow__X:

for all files

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iamlindoro:

How many files are we talking?

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Shadow__X:

450

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Shadow__X:

if it was 20 i would do it by hand

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Shadow__X:

450 not so good by hand

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iamlindoro:

If it's < 100, set it as a user job and start it manually. If it's more, still set it as a user job, and google the SQL-fu necessary to queue it for all files

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squish102:

for x in (ls <filepath>); do mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile $x;done

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squish102:

or something like that

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squish102:

put ' around ls

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Shadow__X:

squish102, that would be in a file right and run that

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Shadow__X:

brb

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k-man_:

is there something wrong with sourceforge hosted mailing lists at the moment? I posted to the lirc list but the mail never went through (in fact, i tried from 2 different email addresses)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

so squish102 how would i use that

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squish102:

um, it is wrong, let me correct quick

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Shadow__X:

k

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squish102:

for x in `ls <filepath>`; do mythtranscode --mpeg2 --buildindex --allkeys --showprogress --infile $x;done

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squish102:

use backticks

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squish102:

if u want to test it, try just with the echo like this:

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squish102:

for x in `ls <filepath>`; do echo $x;done

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Shadow__X:

it needs to be .mpg

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squish102:

should list all the files you will process. but im coming in on the end of your conversation

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Shadow__X:

i need mythtrancode to build the index of all my recordings

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Shadow__X:

:)

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squish102:

do the `ls /path/to/file/*.mpg`

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Shadow__X:

squish102, where do i put that stuff in though

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Shadow__X:

shell script?

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Shadow__X:

and x would be the total number of recordings right

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iamlindoro:

No

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squish102:

Shadow__X am i correct in assuming u want to run a whole directory through mythtranscode

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iamlindoro:

don't touch x, it's a variable

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Shadow__X:

squish102, yes

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clever:

squish102: never parse ls output:P

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iamlindoro:

just cut and paste what he wrong onto a command line, and add the ticks to the ls command

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Shadow__X:

k

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clever:

for x in /path/*;do echo $x;done

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clever:

MUCH safer then parsing ls

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squish102:

Shadow__X sounds like clever has it for u

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Shadow__X:

so clever for x in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/*.mpg; do echo $x; done

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Shadow__X:

hmm alright sweet

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kormoc:

squish102, yeah, when you have a file named '; rm -rf *;', it's kinda bad

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clever:

Shadow__X: yep, go ask the #bash guys, ls is bad

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squish102:

learn something new every day ;) thanks

[23:49:51]

ultra:

where is this zap2it login?

[23:49:54]

ultra:

is it the forum?

[23:50:00]

ultra:

looking at the hdhomerun setup instructions

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Shadow__X:

schedulesdirect.org

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Shadow__X:

go there

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kormoc:

ultra, uhh... it's the one you buy and use

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Shadow__X:

thanks guys thanks squish102 thanks clever

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Shadow__X:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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ultra:

thanksshadow

[23:51:42]

ultra:

what do you mean kormoc?

[23:51:50]

Shadow__X:

mhm

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iamlindoro:

ultra, he means you can't use zap2it any more, nor have you been able to for about 2 years... shcedules direct is what we use, and it's $20 a year

[23:52:22]

iamlindoro:

er schedules

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ultra:

this is required?

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squish102:

isnt there still a 14 day trial?

[23:52:46]

ultra:

7 dya

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kormoc:

ultra, zap2it was replaced by schedules direct when zap2it went byebye. You have to pay a small price to get the data, so there's no log in to find, sign up and use that login

[23:52:47]

ultra:

day

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iamlindoro:

7 day, yes

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kormoc:

ultra, it's required if you want guide data

[23:53:01]

ultra:

ok

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ultra:

not bad

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kormoc:

uless you're doing over the air or the like and it provides the guide data

[23:53:57]

ultra:

i always thought the cable network could provide it

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directhex:

can i mention it's ironic that "schedules direct" resells third party schedules?

[23:54:10]

Shadow__X:

eit kinda works for some channels

[23:54:14]

Shadow__X:

not really worth it though

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kormoc:

ultra, could, sure, but do provide is a different story

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iamlindoro:

ultra, the guide your STB gets is sent via an alternative, proprietary method, and there is no way for us to use it

[23:55:39]

ultra:

gotcha

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ultra:

i hate cable companies so much

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ultra:

i've done work for them for 7 years

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ultra:

especially charter communications, they're awful

[23:57:35]

ultra:

but it's a nice place to steal hdmi cables from

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