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| [00:05:07] | jheizer: | Hey all |
| [00:05:28] | jheizer: | I was on here a few days ago trying to get tips about seektable/skipping issues |
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| [00:06:06] | gbee: | jams: my cheat sheet would include the menu tree on the reverse :) |
| [00:06:11] | jheizer: | at that time I thought it was only a problem with recent recordings since I had recently rebuilt my mbe but now I see it is happeing to old ones as well |
| [00:06:46] | jheizer: | any ideas what would would make it mess up on SD and HD recordings new and old and usually only happens after the >30 minute mark |
| [00:06:48] | jheizer: | ? |
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| [00:07:23] | mchou: | jheizer: explain what exactly is issue with seek tablles |
| [00:07:36] | mchou: | or skipping |
| [00:08:03] | jheizer: | well, at that time I believed it was seek table corruption or issues since I also moved the DB to a seperate machine than the mbe and 3 tuners |
| [00:08:03] | jams: | gbee- i'm still a little lost, but thats ok |
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| [00:08:36] | jheizer: | it will act like it is skipping the 30 sec or 10 min, but really only go a few seconds |
| [00:08:54] | cesman: | jheizer: check your db for errors |
| [00:09:11] | clever: | rebuild the seek tables |
| [00:09:17] | jheizer: | just did a day or two ago and everything was fine |
| [00:09:30] | jheizer: | even after doing rebuilds on them I have still been having issues |
| [00:09:40] | jheizer: | wondering if maybe it is a frontend issue of some kind? |
| [00:09:50] | clever: | what version? |
| [00:10:01] | jheizer: | moved some machines around all at the same time to all new installs and different hardware |
| [00:11:16] | jheizer: | both are knoppmyth R5.5 installs running .21fixe 17696 on Ken 2.6.23 |
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| [00:11:39] | clever: | doesnt sound related to my seek problems |
| [00:11:53] | jheizer: | I have seen one or two other people having skipping issues on the mailing list lately, but not much |
| [00:11:58] | jheizer: | ah, you I am guessing then |
| [00:12:00] | clever: | i think mine was when the playback thread changed from pthread to a qthread, but that was only in the qt4 version |
| [00:12:06] | jheizer: | ah |
| [00:12:18] | clever: | the whole osd was screwed up for a while |
| [00:12:23] | clever: | it wouldnt update as time moved |
| [00:12:40] | jheizer: | fun |
| [00:12:40] | clever: | but it fixed itself after a few svn updates |
| [00:13:03] | jheizer: | have been beating my head over this for a week or 3 now |
| [00:13:03] | clever: | if i seeked forward 10mins, it would show the current time(when i hit the key, aka before the seek) |
| [00:13:13] | clever: | so the 'now' time was 10mins off |
| [00:13:21] | jheizer: | every new HD recording is doing this |
| [00:13:24] | clever: | and seeking itself was also screwed |
| [00:13:28] | clever: | if i seek forward 4 mins |
| [00:13:31] | clever: | it would go forward 2 |
| [00:13:38] | clever: | if i seek forward 1 it goes backk 1!! |
| [00:13:56] | jheizer: | LOL |
| [00:14:08] | clever: | it seemed to be going from now-2mins |
| [00:14:20] | jheizer: | weird stuff |
| [00:14:28] | clever: | so a seek forward 1 would go to now-1(now-2+1) |
| [00:14:47] | jheizer: | too bad I hard hardware croak, everything was running great before |
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| [00:15:21] | clever: | i did a dist-upgrade because i heard ivtv was part of the kernel package in the new version |
| [00:15:24] | clever: | it wasnt:P |
| [00:15:28] | clever: | and it broke alot of things |
| [00:15:36] | jheizer: | oh man |
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| [00:16:20] | clever: | i moved the card to the mysql server that i hadnt upgraded yet |
| [00:16:29] | clever: | and then switched that to master mode |
| [00:17:46] | jheizer: | does 14,402 entries in seek for a 2 hour show seem about right? |
| [00:17:51] | jheizer: | SD |
| [00:17:59] | clever: | its 1 or 2 per frame |
| [00:18:06] | mzb_d800: | I was lucky enough to have a reasonably smooth transition when I upgraded recently |
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| [00:18:16] | clever: | i think |
| [00:18:18] | clever: | or per second |
| [00:18:29] | cesman: | jheizer: did you check your db for errors? |
| [00:18:38] | mzb_d800: | running 0.21-fixes on lenny |
| [00:18:47] | jheizer: | I was able to rebuild my 2 machines in 2 evenings, just had this just happening now |
| [00:18:53] | clever: | ive used the seek table data for my own stuff before(finding file size in seconds) |
| [00:19:04] | jheizer: | have run check and optimize_myth both ok |
| [00:19:40] | mzb_d800: | got another FE to test with? |
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| [00:20:36] | jheizer: | looks liek 7k/hour is about right |
| [00:20:49] | jheizer: | at least according to all mine currently recorded |
| [00:21:21] | jheizer: | hmm, can try this on here on my laptop, but other were also having issues before I believe |
| [00:21:23] | clever: | sounds like 3600*2 |
| [00:21:27] | clever: | (3600 seconds/hour) |
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| [00:23:58] | jheizer: | well, same recording is playing fine on my laptop |
| [00:24:34] | jheizer: | basic ubuntu frontend for the once ina blue moon I use it |
| [00:24:44] | jheizer: | looks like 18207 |
| [00:24:47] | clever: | all frontends must run the same version |
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| [00:25:24] | jheizer: | all others do, only second time I have opened this |
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| [00:25:55] | jheizer: | will frontends fire off a db schema update if they are never and their have been changes? |
| [00:26:05] | cesman: | yes |
| [00:26:05] | jheizer: | *newer |
| [00:26:13] | ThatOtherGuy: | Gah. How does one remove transcoding profiles? 'D' isn't working >_> |
| [00:26:15] | cesman: | jheizer: just use the R5.5 CD |
| [00:26:42] | jheizer: | I never use it on here anyway |
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| [00:26:58] | jheizer: | just finally moved my machine machine over to linux and installed it just because |
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| [00:28:09] | jheizer: | Library API are same version if that means anything |
| [00:28:35] | jheizer: | guess I will be updating them from SVN though arg... |
| [00:28:43] | jheizer: | all working so nicely |
| [00:28:50] | jheizer: | (besides this) |
| [00:31:02] | jheizer: | totally OT: we just got a cat from family that needed to get rid of it. Has not eaten much since getting here. Just gave it different food and has eaten a cup+ in the last few minutes. Guess it hated the other food.... |
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| [00:36:53] | Dagmar: | Cats are also very finicky following a move |
| [00:37:43] | jheizer: | yeah, was for a day or two, but wanders around everywhere now |
| [00:38:12] | jheizer: | just still wasn't eating much at all to where I bought 2 different foods to try tonight and attacked me the moment I opened the first one |
| [00:38:46] | jheizer: | bet he ate more tonight than the last 5 days and is a VERY old 17yo cat |
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| [00:42:17] | jheizer: | lol and back eating more |
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| [00:46:54] | jheizer: | compiling on a cf card based system stinks |
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| [00:48:30] | mchou: | jheizer: NASD |
| [00:48:43] | mchou: | jheizer: get with it man |
| [00:49:06] | mchou: | no need to compile on cf |
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| [00:49:36] | jheizer: | yeah, just moved to nfs drive |
| [00:49:44] | jheizer: | forgot thats how I use to do it |
| [00:51:19] | HaSH: | anyone in here use there ir blaster on there pvr-150? |
| [00:51:47] | HaSH: | i have my blaster working..i just need to figure out how to make mythtv use it. |
| [00:52:04] | HaSH: | i tried adding a change channel script..but it doesnt seem to work |
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| [00:54:46] | Anduin: | |
| [00:55:04] | Anduin: | HaSH: What does the backend log say? |
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| [00:56:35] | HaSH: | let me check real quick |
| [00:57:33] | HaSH: | nothing about changing the channels. |
| [00:57:54] | Anduin: | HaSH: -v channel |
| [00:58:04] | HaSH: | i dled this script...edited to fit my system...and then made mythtv use it to change the channels http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/change_channel |
| [00:58:19] | HaSH: | Anduin, ? |
| [00:58:51] | Anduin: | HaSH: When you run the backend, that will give more details about channel goings on (though any standard record will log something if it failed) |
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| [00:59:20] | Anduin: | HaSH: and you've run your modified script as the user who runs the backend? |
| [00:59:44] | HaSH: | http://pastebin.com/m7c5c4351 |
| [01:00:23] | HaSH: | Anduin, ive tried running my modify script..but not as the person who runs the backend. |
| [01:00:30] | Anduin: | HaSH: so you have no channels defined for your source? |
| [01:01:00] | Anduin: | HaSH: You should do that, sometimes it is a perms issue, though that may just be the next problem. |
| [01:02:08] | HaSH: | well heres the thing....when i start mythtv and hit up or down to change a channel...mythtv wants to use its own interface..... |
| [01:02:20] | HaSH: | and it doesnt actually issue commands to the blaster |
| [01:03:27] | Anduin: | HaSH: It doesn't make it to the part where it would call the script according to your log. |
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| [01:03:59] | HaSH: | hmm |
| [01:04:04] | HaSH: | let me double check |
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| [01:04:12] | Anduin: | HaSH: Your start channel appears to be "Please add" |
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| [01:05:30] | HaSH: | its starting on channel 3 |
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| [01:06:58] | HaSH: | ok i just started mythfrontend......surfed to channel 6 and hit enter...it did not change channels and here is the output of the backend log http://pastebin.com/mbcec667 |
| [01:08:02] | Anduin: | HaSH: ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 126 |
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| [01:08:15] | Anduin: | HaSH: sh: /usr/bin/mythblaster.pl: Permission denied |
| [01:08:22] | Anduin: | simple reading :) |
| [01:08:27] | HaSH: | :-o |
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| [01:08:35] | jheizer: | # |
| [01:08:36] | jheizer: | sh: /usr/bin/mythblaster.pl: Permission denied |
| [01:08:36] | jheizer: | # |
| [01:08:36] | jheizer: | 2008-09–17 21:05:04.879 ret_pid(9211) child(9211) status(0x7e00) |
| [01:08:36] | jheizer: | # |
| [01:08:36] | jheizer: | 2008-09–17 21:05:04.879 ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 126 |
| [01:08:47] | jheizer: | oops, I lose |
| [01:09:09] | HaSH: | lol |
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| [01:11:03] | HaSH: | hmm |
| [01:11:14] | HaSH: | i think that channel changer script is junk |
| [01:11:19] | HaSH: | http://pastebin.com/m70aea067 |
| [01:11:30] | HaSH: | # |
| [01:11:30] | HaSH: | channel changing 6 |
| [01:11:30] | HaSH: | # |
| [01:11:30] | HaSH: | irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE blaster 6 |
| [01:11:30] | HaSH: | # |
| [01:11:31] | HaSH: | irsend: unknown command: "6" |
| [01:11:33] | HaSH: | whoops |
| [01:11:42] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [01:11:43] | HaSH: | thought that was only 3 lines |
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| [01:14:54] | jheizer: | it is not until times like this when you remember how much watching live tv sucks |
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| [01:15:27] | Anduin: | stuff without timestretch is unbearable |
| [01:16:38] | jheizer: | worse part about working on the box at night, Mythbusters on now but compiling so no luck |
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| [01:17:14] | HaSH: | hmm. anyone know how i can get this to work?.... |
| [01:18:34] | jheizer: | never used one so not much help here |
| [01:19:05] | Anduin: | HaSH: I suppose when you run exactly what the error says or the script manually it still works? |
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| [01:19:47] | iamlindoro: | Channel change scripts presume that your number keys are named "0," "1," "2," etc. |
| [01:19:50] | iamlindoro: | Your's aren't |
| [01:19:54] | HaSH: | hmm |
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| [01:19:59] | iamlindoro: | in your lircd.conf, that is |
| [01:20:23] | iamlindoro: | so go in, figure out which codeset is the one you want, and name 0_0_blah_key_1 or whatever to 1 |
| [01:20:29] | iamlindoro: | and 2, and so on |
| [01:20:33] | iamlindoro: | and it'll work fine |
| [01:20:55] | HaSH: | hmm ok i know the codeset i want. |
| [01:21:13] | HaSH: | so just change name 0_41_KEY_0 |
| [01:21:13] | HaSH: | 2686976 |
| [01:21:18] | HaSH: | to |
| [01:21:24] | HaSH: | name 1 |
| [01:21:24] | HaSH: | 2686976 |
| [01:21:24] | HaSH: | name 0_41_KEY_1 |
| [01:21:34] | HaSH: | ? |
| [01:21:34] | iamlindoro: | if you are using codeset 41, yes. |
| [01:21:54] | iamlindoro: | or rather: |
| [01:21:58] | HaSH: | yea its 41..this will turn it off or on : irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 0_41_KEY_POWER |
| [01:22:02] | iamlindoro: | name 0_41_KEY_0 |
| [01:22:03] | iamlindoro: | name 0 |
| [01:22:06] | HaSH: | oh ok. i think i got it now. |
| [01:22:06] | iamlindoro: | name 0_41_KEY_1 |
| [01:22:08] | iamlindoro: | name 1 |
| [01:22:12] | iamlindoro: | name name 0_41_KEY_2 |
| [01:22:14] | HaSH: | this is my 1st time using a blaster. |
| [01:22:14] | iamlindoro: | name 2 |
| [01:22:15] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [01:22:39] | iamlindoro: | and whatever key select/ok is to whatever the select/ok key is called in your script |
| [01:22:55] | iamlindoro: | or vice versa (change the select/ok key in the script to match lircd.conf) |
| [01:23:24] | dustybin: | right i have a good result with mp4 the picture looks nice and smooth, the only problem is, no sound. when it plays on my mac there is sound?! ive tried changing from PCM to DIGITAL on alsamixer but no joy |
| [01:24:01] | HaSH: | ok thansk iamlindoro |
| [01:24:12] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, What codec is your audio? |
| [01:24:23] | iamlindoro: | If AAC, did oyu compile AAC support into myth? |
| [01:24:31] | dustybin: | oh no i didnt |
| [01:24:34] | dustybin: | shit |
| [01:24:37] | iamlindoro: | Then there you hgo |
| [01:24:39] | iamlindoro: | go |
| [01:24:43] | dustybin: | aye thanks |
| [01:25:01] | dustybin: | well, this is a good rip |
| [01:25:22] | HaSH: | i was editing the names of the keys...did 0–9 then i realized that there are 2 sets of 0–9 in the codeset 41. heres it from my lircd.conf http://pastebin.com/m1a806c43 |
| [01:26:28] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you'll have to experiment, then |
| [01:27:09] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [01:27:15] | SHADOW__X: | iamlindoro: i should of listened to you |
| [01:27:23] | SHADOW__X: | i got a defective wd 1tb green drive |
| [01:27:31] | SHADOW__X: | or atleast it seems defective to me |
| [01:27:35] | SHADOW__X: | it formats |
| [01:27:35] | iamlindoro: | What'd I say instead? Heh |
| [01:27:50] | SHADOW__X: | it reads and writes |
| [01:27:56] | SHADOW__X: | but when you right constantly to it |
| [01:28:03] | SHADOW__X: | it gives io errors |
| [01:28:56] | HaSH: | im a dumbass...they are different. one is 1_41_KEY_POWER the other is 0_41_KEY_POWER |
| [01:28:57] | iamlindoro: | yucky :( |
| [01:29:26] | SHADOW__X: | yeah esp that i was gonna use that to transfer all my recordings to my next mythbox |
| [01:29:28] | SHADOW__X: | :( |
| [01:29:34] | SHADOW__X: | sounds pretty jacked up right |
| [01:29:52] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: in mythtv ./configure, the only ones turned off are these: |
| [01:29:53] | dustybin: | JACK support no |
| [01:29:53] | dustybin: | libfftw3 support no |
| [01:30:04] | dustybin: | i assume libfttw3 is aac ? |
| [01:30:08] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [01:30:22] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [01:30:34] | dustybin: | there is no mention of aac in the ./configure |
| [01:30:35] | iamlindoro: | ok, first thing's first, are you really too good to google? |
| [01:30:47] | dustybin: | :o |
| [01:30:49] | iamlindoro: | secondly, just because something isn't a *visible* option doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
| [01:30:54] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:30:56] | iamlindoro: | cat configure |grep libfaad |
| [01:31:19] | iamlindoro: | Well, there we go, I guess we've proven your time is more valuable than mine |
| [01:31:26] | iamlindoro: | Is there anything else I can get you? |
| [01:31:33] | iamlindoro: | Fruity drink with an umbrella in it? |
| [01:32:44] | dustybin: | --enable-libfaad |
| [01:32:53] | iamlindoro: | yes. I know. |
| [01:33:05] | dustybin: | why doesnt that list with ./configure --help ? |
| [01:33:19] | SHADOW__X: | so you can ask iamlindoro |
| [01:33:26] | dustybin: | :o |
| [01:34:08] | dustybin: | now i got to compile the bastard again |
| [01:34:27] | jheizer: | GL, my compile just failed hehe |
| [01:35:42] | dustybin: | apt-get install faad libfaad-dev |
| [01:35:47] | dustybin: | better do that before |
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| [01:43:56] | rage__: | is there any fix for the "Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times" stuff that I've seen going on with quite a few people so says google? :P |
| [01:44:13] | dustybin: | ive restarted my total shit O2 modem/router box about 3 times today, i think its time for a pfsense box |
| [01:44:26] | Dagmar: | rage__: There's a lot of people out there completely incapable of installing Linux properly. |
| [01:44:31] | Dagmar: | Most of them Gentoo users. |
| [01:44:37] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [01:44:42] | cesman: | rage__: there are various ways, however there is no magic bullet |
| [01:45:00] | cesman: | rage__: I do believe there is a wiki entry w/ various steps people have taken |
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| [01:45:06] | dustybin: | rage__: some of them are also slackware users |
| [01:45:25] | rage__: | so thus far I should only read cesman's chat? :o |
| [01:45:38] | dustybin: | rage__: some of them are also slackware users, usually the ones with initials what begin with 'D' |
| [01:47:29] | Dagmar: | Strangely, my stuff runs like a top. |
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| [01:49:36] | Dagmar: | rage__: Save yourself some trouble and install Ubuntu or something that will work more or less correctly out of the box, and then worry about getting MythTV working |
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| [01:49:57] | cesman: | install KnoppMyth, no worries ;) |
| [01:50:30] | rage__: | do me a favor and don't condescend me |
| [01:50:46] | Dagmar: | That O2 will run better with some googly-eyes mounted on it |
| [01:51:10] | Dagmar: | rage__: Okay then, do us a favor and stop asking questions |
| [01:51:23] | Dagmar: | If pre-buffering is failing that repeatedly, you have a serious disk throughput problem. |
| [01:51:30] | cesman: | come on Dagmar do you really have to respond like that? |
| [01:51:55] | Dagmar: | ...and considering that even a UMDA33 drive from 1999 could keep up with what's needed, something is very, very wrong. |
| [01:52:03] | Dagmar: | s/UMDA/UDMA/; |
| [01:52:12] | Dagmar: | cesman: Yes, I do. |
| [01:52:30] | Dagmar: | About half the problems in here are caused by people installing Linux who have no idea how to do it. |
| [01:52:58] | Dagmar: | They see that they got a login prompt and blindly *assume* that it's all working correctly instead of it limping along on fallback drivers |
| [01:53:52] | cesman: | you are assuming that is the case with rage__ (not saying it isn't), but your attitude towards him is shamefull |
| [01:53:57] | Dagmar: | ...and snarking at people who are TRYING to save them pain by telling them to use a reasonably polished distro meant for people new to Linux is *not* doing anyone any favors. |
| [01:54:46] | cesman: | if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything |
| [01:54:58] | cesman: | KnoppMyth isn't meant for people that are new to Linux |
| [01:54:58] | Dagmar: | cesman: Tell you what... when you guys finally figure out that the problem is that he failed to put the right disk controller drivers in the kernel, then you can bitch at him |
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| [01:55:24] | cesman: | why bitch? |
| [01:55:32] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [01:55:50] | cesman: | I've stated what I needed to on the subject to him. |
| [01:55:51] | Dagmar: | ...and yet "do me a favor and don't condescend me" still happens |
| [01:56:06] | Dagmar: | I wasn't condescending. |
| [01:57:23] | Dagmar: | Linux isn't all that bloody easy. |
| [01:57:33] | rage__: | I've used it for years |
| [01:57:37] | Dagmar: | All I'm doing is not assuming people are super-geniuses |
| [01:57:56] | rage__: | and your assumption right off was that I was nub |
| [01:58:03] | Dagmar: | Of course. |
| [01:58:10] | Dagmar: | You had a noob problem. |
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| [01:58:39] | Dagmar: | That one's not one that people usually have unless they've really screwed something up with their disk throughput |
| [01:59:35] | Dagmar: | *I've* had it happen, and I had no problem admitting it was a stupid mistake. |
| [02:00:51] | HaSH: | when changing channels... both the mythtv on screen display and the cable box on screen display come up...is there anything i can do?...and will the cablebox on screen appear on recordings? |
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| [02:03:48] | HaSH: | because one of the things i dont understand is mythtv only grabs 125 channels...my cablebox has channels above channel 125..how can mythtv goto the other channels? |
| [02:03:56] | rage__: | the issue is how you handled it |
| [02:04:10] | rage__: | instead of being mature or whatever you want to call it |
| [02:04:29] | rage__: | and saying a) nothing at all or b) "it sounds like you have a disk throughput problem" |
| [02:04:34] | rage__: | you take the eliteist route |
| [02:04:37] | rage__: | assume I'm an idiot |
| [02:04:40] | rage__: | and treat me as such |
| [02:09:20] | dustybin: | all of a sudden out the blue mythtv now fails to compile using the very latest svn: |
| [02:09:24] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2722 |
| [02:09:38] | jheizer: | You are right. I had the package installed, but the package was named |
| [02:09:39] | jheizer: | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2. Apparently mythtv couldn't find it there. I needed a |
| [02:09:39] | jheizer: | symbolic link from libGL.so to the real package: |
| [02:09:39] | jheizer: | ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| [02:09:43] | jheizer: | just had it happen to me |
| [02:10:05] | dustybin: | you got same error? |
| [02:10:15] | jheizer: | yup |
| [02:10:44] | dustybin: | that means the latest svn is bugged |
| [02:11:30] | dustybin: | thanks for the reply :-) ill try that link |
| [02:11:40] | jheizer: | worked for me |
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| [02:13:36] | Mersault: | Has anyone here spent any time making the LCD on a black antec fusion work? |
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| [02:14:29] | CCFL_Man2: | wonder if i could get a subscription directly from the weather channel |
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| [02:18:49] | jedix: | hey |
| [02:19:01] | jedix: | I'm getting thousands of No more queue slots! |
| [02:19:04] | jedix: | in my logs |
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| [02:19:12] | jedix: | and I can't find anything on google |
| [02:19:20] | jedix: | just statements that it's been fixed ages ago |
| [02:19:26] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: No, but if you're a US taxpayer, they at least can't make a very good argument for you being able to access METAR data any time you like |
| [02:19:58] | jedix: | I'm running a relatively new myth.. |
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| [02:20:40] | jedix: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [02:21:01] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: well, all i gotta say is that i run a small cabletv headend for my apartment complex and want to add their channel |
| [02:21:18] | mzb_d800: | jedix: try pastebin of a "-v all" log |
| [02:21:38] | jedix: | -v all on the backend? |
| [02:21:45] | dustybin: | one could install linux on a PPC G4 processor: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IBG41 . . . p;cpc=NBBbsc |
| [02:21:55] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: Again, if you're in the US, you are entirely entitled to access NOAA information (like METAR) and do any thing you please with it |
| [02:22:18] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i know that, but i mean i want their feed |
| [02:22:20] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: ...which is how The Weather Channel and Weather Underground get most of their raw data to begin with |
| [02:22:26] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [02:22:49] | CCFL_Man2: | http://www.weatheraffiliate.com/content/mater . . . heet_(2).pdf |
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| [02:25:43] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i wanted a weatherstar |
| [02:25:45] | Dagmar: | Why settle for their feed when with a little technical wizardry you could do better |
| [02:25:49] | jedix: | hrm |
| [02:25:58] | CCFL_Man2: | i still want one |
| [02:25:59] | jedix: | seems like it's way behind transcoding or something |
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| [02:26:17] | Dagmar: | jedix: rather, transcoding is just hellishly slow |
| [02:26:19] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: with myth weather? |
| [02:26:28] | GreyFoxx: | CCFL: Still getting your feeds via c-band ? |
| [02:26:29] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: Probably. If you could get it working. |
| [02:26:40] | Dagmar: | I've given up on it for the moment. |
| [02:27:36] | jedix: | the processes are using zero cpu.. |
| [02:27:37] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: yeah, i have three 1U dcII motorola irds, a digitrans dcII ird, and i'm geting a sci atl powervu ird |
| [02:27:45] | CCFL_Man2: | i have 3 qam modulators |
| [02:28:02] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i just want their hd feed :P |
| [02:28:33] | jedix: | Dagmar: why is that? the transcoder doesn't look like it's doing anything in top |
| [02:28:51] | GreyFoxx: | What are you using to capture the generated dvb feeds ? Standard QAM tuners ? |
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| [02:29:50] | Dagmar: | jedix: Look again in an hour |
| [02:29:58] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [02:30:52] | SHADOW__X: | anyone ever have esata issues with big transfers |
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| [02:31:06] | jedix: | Dagmar: the box is near 100% idle.. |
| [02:31:16] | jedix: | isn't there a way to tell it to juice these things when idle? |
| [02:31:24] | Dagmar: | nope. |
| [02:31:35] | Dagmar: | check your logs to see if mythtranscode just died |
| [02:31:50] | jedix: | the pid's are the same |
| [02:31:56] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [02:31:59] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. You should document your setup+hardware for those who might wanna do something similar :) |
| [02:32:46] | Dagmar: | Extrememly generous quantities of no, in fact. |
| [02:32:51] | jedix: | all I see in my log are sql querries and No more queue slots! |
| [02:33:11] | Dagmar: | Two PIDs aren't ever the same unless the box has been running "a good while". |
| [02:33:31] | Dagmar: | jedix: Methinks you forgot to tell the box it could do more than 0 jobs at once. |
| [02:33:41] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: well, it's expensive and crazy |
| [02:33:41] | Dagmar: | hint hint |
| [02:33:50] | Dagmar: | It defaults to 1. |
| [02:33:54] | jedix: | I mean, the PIDs of the processes on transcodes in top have not changed |
| [02:34:01] | jedix: | so.. they didn't die |
| [02:34:06] | Dagmar: | Better |
| [02:34:21] | Dagmar: | It hoolering about queue slots means it thinks it's already doing as many jobs as it's allowed to. |
| [02:34:24] | jedix: | there are four processes running, but not using any cpu time |
| [02:34:30] | Dagmar: | s/hool/holl/; |
| [02:34:41] | Dagmar: | It doesn't care about "processes" |
| [02:34:45] | Dagmar: | It only cares about jobs. |
| [02:34:59] | Dagmar: | ...as in, how many atomic "tasks" it's trying to do at once. |
| [02:35:16] | GreyFoxx: | CCF: Which is why many would like to read about something technically cool since they likely can't afford to do it on their own :) |
| [02:35:18] | jedix: | ah |
| [02:35:39] | jedix: | why is it printing the queue issue about 100x a secound? |
| [02:35:43] | jedix: | seems overkill imo |
| [02:35:52] | Dagmar: | Because it's misconfigured. |
| [02:35:58] | Dagmar: | ...hey hey |
| [02:36:02] | ** Dagmar winks ** | |
| [02:36:18] | jedix: | so, how do I fix it? |
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| [02:36:35] | Dagmar: | Yes, the inner workings of it's decision-making process *are* alien and gnomic. |
| [02:37:03] | Dagmar: | Go into mythtv-setup and tell it how many things it's allowed to do at once. |
| [02:37:13] | Dagmar: | ...where this number should be > 0. |
| [02:37:37] | Dagmar: | I'm not 100% sure but I think if it's set to 1 it won't even try to transcode something while something else is recording, because that's two jobs. |
| [02:38:13] | jedix: | 2 |
| [02:38:22] | jedix: | it can do two jobs at once |
| [02:39:05] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: each ird cost between $300 and $450, mainly because the other bidders were equipment resellers, the modulators and upconverters cost $650 for both, i have three of them |
| [02:39:23] | jedix: | I'll set it to four I guess |
| [02:39:32] | jedix: | and change cpu usage to high instead of med |
| [02:40:00] | clever: | Dagmar: recording isnt counted as a job |
| [02:40:07] | Dagmar: | clever: Ah, danke |
| [02:40:14] | clever: | Dagmar: the max number of jobs applys fo commflag/transcode and the 4 user jobs |
| [02:40:21] | CCFL_Man2: | getting a lnb and feedhorn for c band is about $300 total |
| [02:40:29] | clever: | and i sometimes set it to 0 to disable all jobs |
| [02:40:32] | Dagmar: | Then he must have set it to 0 somehow |
| [02:41:05] | jedix: | it was 2 |
| [02:41:07] | jedix: | it's now 4 |
| [02:41:08] | clever: | i mainly use 0 when i want it to stop doing jobs, so i can shut it down safely |
| [02:41:38] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: basically setting up a small headend, rather than setting up mythtv sources |
| [02:42:25] | jedix: | it's still freaking out in the logs |
| [02:42:46] | clever: | if i saw an entry from the log i might know what it means |
| [02:43:23] | jedix: | 2008-09–17 22:43:19.253 No more queue slots! |
| [02:43:34] | clever: | never seen that one before |
| [02:43:51] | jedix: | change time, and repeate.. 300x a second or something crazy |
| [02:44:21] | jedix: | 2008-09–17 22:44:00.008 PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xc7024359 != 0xca3d9fdb for StreamID = 0x70 |
| [02:44:24] | ** clever gets out the grep hammer ** | |
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| [02:46:28] | clever: | that last one feels like its related to a digital tuner |
| [02:47:36] | jedix: | hrm |
| [02:47:42] | jedix: | killing the encodings worked |
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| [02:48:02] | clever: | found the source of it |
| [02:48:07] | clever: | mpeg2fix.cpp in mythtranscode |
| [02:48:15] | jedix: | I'm sure I'll be back in this state in a few hours when transcode starts again |
| [02:49:00] | clever: | the fact that its an error from mythtranscode means its totaly unrelated to the max jobs(the job is allready running) |
| [02:49:25] | jedix: | what is it about? |
| [02:49:29] | clever: | its some error within the mpeg handling |
| [02:49:37] | clever: | something about frame_count being over 2000 |
| [02:49:51] | clever: | #define MAX_FRAMES 2000 |
| [02:49:58] | clever: | if (frame_count >= MAX_FRAMES) |
| [02:49:58] | clever: | VERBOSE(MPF_IMPORTANT, "No more queue slots!"); |
| [02:50:13] | jedix: | maybe I should use another transcoder |
| [02:50:33] | clever: | im thinking that the digital signal was weak and caused garbage to come up |
| [02:50:42] | clever: | does the file play properly in the frontend? |
| [02:50:45] | jedix: | yeah, possibly |
| [02:50:52] | jedix: | I don't knwo what file it was |
| [02:51:22] | clever: | http://backendip:6544/ |
| [02:51:29] | clever: | youll see the failed job in red, and what show it was |
| [02:51:38] | clever: | (it will have failed because you kill'ed it) |
| [02:51:54] | jedix: | 6544? |
| [02:52:10] | clever: | the port to use, http uses 80 by default |
| [02:52:23] | clever: | and the default status port(in mythtv-setup) i beleive is 6544 |
| [02:52:55] | clever: | for example i get my master's status at http://10.0.0.103:6544/ |
| [02:53:10] | jedix: | hehe |
| [02:53:16] | jedix: | I jus tthought it was 6543 |
| [02:53:18] | jedix: | not 6544 |
| [02:53:28] | clever: | 6543 is for the mythtv protocol |
| [02:53:30] | jedix: | but yeah, there's no jobs that failed.. none listed |
| [02:53:36] | clever: | and my backend tends to explode when i try http on that |
| [02:54:12] | wagnerrp: | has anyone tried playing music over upnp to a ps3? |
| [02:54:18] | jedix: | yeah |
| [02:54:19] | clever: | did you kill off all the mythtranscodes or everything(and the backend) |
| [02:54:26] | jedix: | wagnerrp: it worked okay, yeah |
| [02:54:33] | wagnerrp: | i thought i remember it working before |
| [02:54:39] | jedix: | clever: i shut down the backend and killed them all |
| [02:54:47] | wagnerrp: | but i just tried it earlier tonight and it complained about unsupported data |
| [02:54:52] | clever: | ah, so the backend didnt get a chance to mark it as failed |
| [02:54:54] | wagnerrp: | maybe it was just being glitchy |
| [02:55:01] | jedix: | wagnerrp: probably the file format |
| [02:55:10] | jedix: | unsupported by ps3 |
| [02:55:15] | wagnerrp: | it was all mp3 |
| [02:55:18] | clever: | and my cpu has recovered, time to go back to watching tv |
| [02:55:28] | jedix: | thanks the the help clever |
| [02:58:30] | jedix: | wagnerrp: never had an issue with that.. |
| [03:05:24] | rage__: | Dagmar, my hdparm test results tell me my throughput seems to be quite alright. |
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| [03:05:47] | clever: | crap |
| [03:05:55] | Dagmar: | rage__: That's not good. |
| [03:05:55] | clever: | one of my backends it shreding jobs again |
| [03:06:12] | clever: | i need to get arround to patching it |
| [03:06:39] | Dagmar: | rage__: About the only thing beyond that I can think of that would break it would be strange firewalling rules preventing the backend from talking to the frontend |
| [03:06:49] | clever: | 2008-09–18 00:00:15.885 Attempted to transcode myth://10.0.0.103:6543/1038_20080917012800.mpg. Mythtranscode is currently unable to transcode remote files. |
| [03:06:53] | rage__: | both run on the same machine |
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| [03:07:00] | clever: | if the file isnt local then dont even bother running the damn job |
| [03:07:03] | clever: | stupid mythbackend :P |
| [03:07:09] | rage__: | I've never had problems like this before |
| [03:07:19] | rage__: | 2 things have changed since I last ran myth though |
| [03:07:51] | rage__: | a) the mobo/cpu (mine died, had to swap in a slower cpu) and the emu10k1 sound drivers I used |
| [03:07:53] | rage__: | and I guess the kernel |
| [03:07:55] | rage__: | so 3 |
| [03:08:19] | rage__: | so now I'm using alsa |
| [03:08:25] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I'd still suspect the drives then |
| [03:08:45] | clever: | more fsck! ? |
| [03:09:01] | Dagmar: | I mean, how I *got* to that "I'm an idiot" point the last time was by replacing the motherboard and CPU and forgetting to change the disk controller driver to something better than the generic PCI driver |
| [03:09:15] | Dagmar: | The sound drivers should be pretty much incapable of breaking the thing |
| [03:09:29] | rage__: | yeah, I just did a fresh reinstall of your favorite distro gentoo |
| [03:09:32] | Dagmar: | ...and pre-buffering should be unaffected by alsa in any way |
| [03:09:56] | Dagmar: | rage__: Seriously, if you hang out in here a lot you will learn just how bad off many gentoo users really are |
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| [03:10:05] | rage__: | hda results, cached reads: 232mb/sec, buffered reads: 30mb/sec |
| [03:10:13] | Dagmar: | Like, the core gentoo group really just doesn't see how far off the mark the extremists go |
| [03:10:18] | rage__: | hdb results, cached reads: 179mb/sec, buffered reads: 45mb/sec |
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| [03:10:33] | clever: | nice and fast compared to how my system used to be, 4mb/sec! |
| [03:10:41] | clever: | (or was it 10) |
| [03:11:01] | rage__: | they must have changed something in the kernel since I last remember playing with hdparm as well |
| [03:11:01] | jedix: | yeah, gentoo really isn't the right way to go |
| [03:11:01] | Dagmar: | You're getting 30? |
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| [03:11:15] | rage__: | I used to *have* to run it to get the speeds up |
| [03:11:33] | clever: | force enable dma? |
| [03:11:48] | Dagmar: | Something isn't right there. |
| [03:11:57] | Dagmar: | Are you doing like clever and trying to use 40-pin IDE cables? |
| [03:12:07] | Dagmar: | (..and yes, that was a dig at clever. ;) ) |
| [03:12:20] | rage__: | uh |
| [03:12:20] | clever: | yes i was using a 40 pin ide |
| [03:12:23] | Dagmar: | You should be getting more speed off the disk than that |
| [03:12:26] | clever: | i have that fixed now |
| [03:12:38] | rage__: | whatever cables are in there are the same ones as before |
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| [03:13:06] | clever: | and technicaly, even the 80 wire ribbons are 40 pin! |
| [03:13:15] | Gimpy: | hi all, need help with lirc. I at fatail error unknown symbole in lirc_mceusb2 module when trying to load (the module does exsist). lirc-dev loads but for some reason lirc_mceusb2 fails |
| [03:13:23] | Dagmar: | SATA drive here with nothing but the correct driver, 73.38 MB/sec. IDE disk with a slow-ass optical on the same bus, 46.94 MB/sec |
| [03:13:49] | clever: | Dagmar: the bus speed has nothing to do with the other devices on the bus |
| [03:14:00] | clever: | slow devices wont slow the whole thing down |
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| [03:14:09] | Dagmar: | The Netra X41 I'm using as a firewall and was made about 8 years ago... 37.15 MB/sec |
| [03:14:16] | cak: | Hello |
| [03:14:20] | Dagmar: | clever: That's the read speed from the drive |
| [03:14:22] | clever: | but slow devices can keep the bus busy for relatively long stretches of time |
| [03:14:31] | Dagmar: | If he's getting <33Mb/s on a modern disk, something is wrong. |
| [03:14:35] | clever: | yeah |
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| [03:15:01] | rage__: | it fluctuates |
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| [03:15:06] | rage__: | between 30–35 |
| [03:15:11] | clever: | depends on the current load |
| [03:15:19] | clever: | i can view the current load thru iostat -x 5 |
| [03:15:23] | Dagmar: | If it were ~16Mb he was getting I'd say the system has somehow screwed up and fallen back to the generic PCI driver |
| [03:15:29] | rage__: | also, the one that myth uses for live tv cache and all that is 45 |
| [03:15:51] | clever: | im reading about 487 kB/sec read for the avg of my hda since bootup |
| [03:15:51] | rage__: | er, is [getting] 45 [mb/sec] |
| [03:15:59] | clever: | (used bandwidth) |
| [03:16:00] | Dagmar: | clever: That's not coming off the disk |
| [03:16:08] | Dagmar: | nm |
| [03:16:12] | clever: | Dagmar: that was the average ammount of used bandwidth |
| [03:16:29] | clever: | which can let me see the total of dd reading a 10gig chunk ontop of everything else |
| [03:16:49] | Dagmar: | But still, a slow disk on a marginally busy machine should be able to pipe out ~45mb/s at least |
| [03:16:52] | clever: | its just a weird angle to go at measuring it |
| [03:17:08] | clever: | my router just piped out 12.5mb/sec :( |
| [03:17:08] | rage__: | regardless, even if I was getting 20mb/sec |
| [03:17:16] | rage__: | wouldn't that be more than plenty for myth to operate |
| [03:17:16] | clever: | damn 40 pin things! |
| [03:17:29] | Anduin: | rage__: I didn't read the whole scrollback, but does mplayer work? |
| [03:17:39] | rage__: | yes |
| [03:17:46] | clever: | i got 2 80's left:) |
| [03:17:48] | rage__: | I should also add this is only while watching live tv streams |
| [03:17:49] | Dagmar: | rage__: Not necessarily. There's no guarantee that the same problem isn't introducing some "hellish" (by comparison) latency while waiting for an access |
| [03:17:50] | cak: | Anduin, good evening |
| [03:17:58] | Anduin: | rage__: run the frontend with -v playback and pastebin it (if you haven't alread) |
| [03:18:02] | rage__: | it will run fine for a number of minutes, then randomly spam that a good number of times |
| [03:18:14] | rage__: | and it freezes while spamming that |
| [03:18:25] | rage__: | then it'll come out of it, and play tv for a number of minutes again |
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| [03:18:31] | rage__: | anything recorded works fine though |
| [03:18:35] | clever: | Dagmar: iostat can show the avgerage wait time for requests, ive seen that hig hellish numbers like 2 seconds! |
| [03:18:45] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [03:18:47] | Dagmar: | Wheee! |
| [03:18:50] | clever: | right now all my drives are 10ms or less |
| [03:18:58] | clever: | and its 49% iowait |
| [03:19:01] | clever: | 15% idle |
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| [03:19:49] | clever: | yep:(, 40 pin ide in my router |
| [03:19:57] | clever: | and why the fuck do i even have a floppy drive in it anymore |
| [03:20:06] | cak: | Guys could somebody help me figure out what am i doing wrong? |
| [03:20:09] | Anduin: | cak: Hi |
| [03:20:21] | cak: | Anduin, Hi:) |
| [03:20:34] | cak: | Anduin, could u help me again ? :) |
| [03:20:48] | Anduin: | cak: maybe, that is really Dagmar's job though. |
| [03:20:50] | cak: | Anduin, I still wasn't able to watch tv on MYTH |
| [03:21:10] | cak: | Dagmar, would u have few minutes for me ? |
| [03:21:27] | cak: | it plays fine with tvtime |
| [03:21:27] | Anduin: | cak: So what is the problem now? |
| [03:21:34] | Anduin: | green screen? |
| [03:21:41] | cak: | black screen and back |
| [03:21:41] | Anduin: | (still?) |
| [03:21:59] | cak: | excuse my english :) |
| [03:22:03] | Anduin: | Yeah, black and back could be anything, backend logs for that time are needed |
| [03:22:11] | cak: | http://rafb.net/p/wUzELZ70.html |
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| [03:22:44] | Dagmar: | I don't think the machine is even configured |
| [03:22:50] | rage__: | Anduin, running it with -v playback now — anything in particular we're looking for here? |
| [03:23:01] | rage__: | right now I'm waiting for it to do the problematic part |
| [03:23:03] | Dagmar: | "id -1"... "TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [03:23:05] | Dagmar: | " |
| [03:23:19] | Dagmar: | Too many things there look like some value that was stumbled upon rather than set |
| [03:23:39] | cak: | Dagmar, that's what i'm trying to find what is wrong |
| [03:24:00] | cak: | I set capture card default input composite1 |
| [03:24:22] | cak: | i set video source with no grabber |
| [03:24:33] | Anduin: | rage__: You should see the buffer stats when the problem occurs (basically just check that all frames are really empty) |
| [03:24:54] | rage__: | 2008-09–17 22:24:58.831 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. 9 AAALAAuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| [03:24:59] | Anduin: | cak: and created that channel manually using the channel editor? |
| [03:24:59] | rage__: | over and over |
| [03:25:08] | cak: | Anduin, yes |
| [03:25:32] | Dagmar: | rage__: That drive isn't sharing the bus (cable) with some other drive is it? |
| [03:25:40] | Anduin: | rage__: is this close to live or are you some distance behind? |
| [03:25:53] | Dagmar: | This could be a hardware problem |
| [03:26:05] | cak: | Dagmar, tvtime works fine |
| [03:26:10] | cak: | with this card |
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| [03:26:22] | cak: | I was able to capture using mencoder |
| [03:26:24] | Dagmar: | TVTime is a toy compared to MythTV. |
| [03:26:25] | Anduin: | cak: I think he means rage__ |
| [03:26:33] | cak: | i just cant get mythtv to work |
| [03:26:48] | rage__: | also, I get a "NVP: prebuffering pause" and a "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" line befoer it starts spamming the line I pasted jut now |
| [03:26:54] | cak: | Dagmar, i understand that but it proves that itsn't hardware issue |
| [03:27:09] | Dagmar: | rage__: Basically all that stuff means the same thing... It's not getting any stream data to actually play |
| [03:27:21] | cak: | oh |
| [03:27:30] | Dagmar: | cak: I wasn't referring to your problem. Your problem looks like the thing just isn't configured, but in any case I don't "do" framegrabber cards. |
| [03:27:34] | rage__: | Dagmar, yes, both my HD's are on the same cable — however they were before also and it worked fine |
| [03:27:38] | cak: | Dagmar, sorry |
| [03:27:48] | Dagmar: | I also don't help people jump off bridges or set themselves on fire, for much the same reason. |
| [03:28:15] | Dagmar: | rage__: Hmm.. I was hoping on an optical drive going bad basically |
| [03:28:28] | rage__: | Anduin, I'm pretty sure it's close to live, because when it kicks out of a freeze it skips everything that would have happened from freeze point to unfreeze point — I'm currently in a freeze so I can't check at the moment :) |
| [03:28:34] | Dagmar: | rage__: If you can get by with putting htem on separate IDE cables I would do that as a test |
| [03:28:41] | cak: | Dagmar, what r u trying to say ? |
| [03:28:57] | wagnerrp: | that framegrabbers are old and painful |
| [03:28:58] | Dagmar: | cak: I will show you a picture. |
| [03:29:39] | Dagmar: | http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg |
| [03:29:52] | rage__: | I read in at least one or two places that people suspected it to have something to do with when a program entry boundry comes up |
| [03:29:57] | Dagmar: | I am a "cat person". |
| [03:30:02] | rage__: | and something about an old ticket being re-opened because of the re-appearance of this bug |
| [03:30:22] | Dagmar: | rage__: That can happen yeah, but you're obviously nowhere near the top of an hour or half hour or you'd have noticed the correlation, dig? |
| [03:30:48] | rage__: | well I get some odd ending program times in my guide |
| [03:30:50] | cak: | Dagmar, :) thnx |
| [03:31:05] | Dagmar: | rage__: Typically those people are also getting screwed for their choice of filesystems because ext3 is *very naughty* when you delete a giant file (>1gb) and simply hangs access to the disk while it journals the entire deletion |
| [03:31:13] | rage__: | or would it stick to the half horu blocks regardless of the technical end time of the program? |
| [03:31:31] | clever: | Dagmar: i think your 404'ing on that |
| [03:31:32] | clever: | :S |
| [03:31:32] | Dagmar: | rage__: It would be happening at program block changes |
| [03:31:56] | Dagmar: | clever: l2paste |
| [03:32:01] | rage__: | I'm running ext3 :P |
| [03:32:08] | Dagmar: | rage__: Ouch. |
| [03:32:09] | clever: | wait |
| [03:32:13] | cak: | Anduin, do u know where can i get sample config of mythtv with framegrabber card using composite or s-video input ? |
| [03:32:15] | rage__: | actually, another thing... my resolution I run myth at has increased as well |
| [03:32:15] | clever: | Dagmar: i forgot the http: somehow |
| [03:32:25] | Dagmar: | clever: Exactly. l2paste. ;) |
| [03:32:26] | ** clever kicks putty ** | |
| [03:32:43] | rage__: | I had a bad expereince with reiser back in the day Dagmar... haven't gone back and tried it yet — don't even know what the latest and greatest is supposed to be really |
| [03:32:48] | clever: | Dagmar: may i point out that i have a frame grabber as my secondary tuner? |
| [03:33:27] | Dagmar: | clever: Id' rather you didn't. |
| [03:33:30] | cak: | clever, may be u could help me then? |
| [03:33:48] | Anduin: | cak: There may be some steps on the wiki, not sure (one of the real problems with them, most stopped using them), your error though says it couldn't find the channel you created, how is you mysql? |
| [03:33:49] | clever: | i just punched the usual crap into mythtv-setup and it 'just worked' |
| [03:34:05] | Dagmar: | clever: You *might* be able to walk cak though redoing his configuration and catch something I would be too horrified to see. |
| [03:34:09] | clever: | was even easyer then my pvr150 since im not using an external tuner |
| [03:34:29] | clever: | i think i left everything near defaults |
| [03:34:41] | clever: | only the usual stuff like video sources and input binding was done |
| [03:34:57] | Dagmar: | rage__: I don't use reiser because it's not particularly useful for this either, compared to JFS and XFS. |
| [03:34:59] | cak: | clever i'm new to myth and may be missing something that's obviouse to u but myth for me |
| [03:35:12] | clever: | read over all the guides on the mythtv site |
| [03:35:20] | Dagmar: | rage__: I mean, I use reiserfs on devel boxes where I need small file performance, but not large-file stuff. |
| [03:35:46] | rage__: | well perhaps I'll convert some time — but I don't think that's the cause of this to be honest |
| [03:35:49] | cak: | clever, i did i always do my homework before start bothering people |
| [03:35:53] | Dagmar: | rage__: ext3 will pause the box for I kid you not, 2–3 full seconds when deleting a 2.2Gb file. |
| [03:36:08] | rage__: | I don't think it should be deleting anything right now |
| [03:36:09] | cak: | brb |
| [03:36:16] | Dagmar: | rage__: I agree with yo |
| [03:36:18] | Dagmar: | u |
| [03:36:32] | rage__: | just a random heads up — gotcha.. |
| [03:36:35] | rage__: | yeah I've noticed it before |
| [03:36:41] | rage__: | copying large files, etc. |
| [03:36:59] | Dagmar: | I would maybe think about doing some performance testing. |
| [03:37:17] | Dagmar: | Like, build a kernel and time it and compare it to other builds with different hardware to see if there's just a massive deviation from the norm there. |
| [03:37:42] | rage__: | why would it only do it in live tv tho? |
| [03:37:44] | Dagmar: | You could have gotten a borderline bad motherboard of CPU that's screwing up it's ACPI and or interrupt tables |
| [03:37:54] | Dagmar: | s/of CPU/or CPU/; |
| [03:38:07] | Dagmar: | I mean, if it worked before and doesn't work after you've made a significant hardware change, well... |
| [03:38:12] | Dagmar: | ...that's pretty strong evidence. |
| [03:38:18] | rage__: | hmm |
| [03:38:26] | rage__: | I had acpi disabled before |
| [03:38:28] | rage__: | and I don't now |
| [03:38:34] | rage__: | perhaps I should try that just for the hell of it |
| [03:38:36] | Dagmar: | rage__: Watching live TV you're doing two things instead of one... You're recording AND playing back at the same time |
| [03:38:38] | rage__: | I know little about acpi tho |
| [03:38:56] | rage__: | and my stomach is getting sick again so I'm going to have to afk once again... |
| [03:39:06] | Dagmar: | rage__: If the board is from 1998–2001 there's a chance that it's ACPI implementation is completely insane. |
| [03:39:28] | Dagmar: | Good luck in any case tho |
| [03:39:31] | rage__: | I'll try disabling acpi and report back when I return |
| [03:39:34] | rage__: | bbiab. |
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| [03:40:30] | cak: | clever, did u ever used composite or s-video on that card ? |
| [03:41:38] | clever: | i used the composite for a while |
| [03:41:47] | clever: | back before i got the pvr150 |
| [03:42:03] | clever: | the last problem i have now that i remember was that the bttv wasnt detecting the card right |
| [03:42:09] | clever: | i had to manualy set it with some modprobe options |
| [03:42:29] | Dagmar: | You and about twenty thousand other Brooktree card users. |
| [03:42:31] | Anduin: | cak: figure out why you don't have a channel "1" |
| [03:42:33] | cak: | clever, but that's not my case cause tvtime works just fine |
| [03:42:37] | clever: | options bttv tuner=1 card=14 |
| [03:42:43] | cak: | Anduin, why? |
| [03:42:46] | clever: | inside /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| [03:42:56] | Dagmar: | cak: Because you don't have it setup |
| [03:42:57] | Anduin: | cak: because that is the error in your pastebin... |
| [03:42:58] | clever: | i went by the bttv card gallery for the card# |
| [03:43:39] | Dagmar: | cak: If you did not either a) import channel data from SchedulesDirect in mythtv-setup or b) manually create a whole bunch of channels and make a line-up and then BIND these channels to an input in mythtv-setup, you have failed. |
| [03:43:49] | cak: | clever, i'll try that |
| [03:44:07] | clever: | to make the change effective, either reboot or rmmod bttv;modprobe -v bttv |
| [03:44:29] | Dagmar: | If his card is working under TVTime then there's no bttv driver issue |
| [03:44:51] | clever: | yeah, i think my tvtime couldnt go jack shit until i solved the kernel level problems |
| [03:44:55] | cak: | Dagmar, I created fake source , i created channel1 linked to that source |
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| [03:45:13] | clever: | and even then my sound card is pure crap, i had to fiddle with alsamixer for an hour to get it to record the loopback |
| [03:45:21] | Dagmar: | cak: Then your problem is probably that channel 1 *does not exist* |
| [03:45:35] | clever: | and even then the linein MUST be going into the PCM out for it to record(so i have to mute pcm) |
| [03:45:40] | Dagmar: | Create a channel that _exists_ unless you're just trying to use the composite input |
| [03:45:42] | clever: | which makes the system useless as a frontend |
| [03:45:46] | cak: | Dagmar my problem is that it's trying to use tuner on composite input |
| [03:45:59] | Dagmar: | Then don't bind anything to the tuner |
| [03:46:11] | Dagmar: | cak: just go back into mythtv-setup and check everything. |
| [03:46:13] | cak: | I don't |
| [03:46:19] | clever: | and make shute the composite is default under the card config |
| [03:46:25] | clever: | i got that wrong a few times |
| [03:46:29] | cak: | I do every evening few times for last 2 weeks :) |
| [03:46:50] | cak: | I only have one channel created and it's linked to composite1 |
| [03:47:09] | cak: | yet it's trying to tune to channel 1 |
| [03:47:18] | clever: | bbl |
| [03:47:31] | Anduin: | cak: Where is it getting the 1 from? |
| [03:47:45] | Anduin: | (start channel, or always tune to) |
| [03:48:32] | cak: | Anduin, I don't remember where did i read but some tutorial suggested to use that channel for s-video or composite since it doesn't exist |
| [03:48:49] | cak: | and that 1 is manually created |
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| [03:57:34] | toto: | hi all, today my mythtv doesn't render my tv sound. I believe it is caused by a recent package update of mythtv, does anyone know about it ? the log is : 2008-09–17 23:43:03.715 Opening audio device 'default'. ch 6(2) sr 48000 2008-09–17 23:43:03.715 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'. 2008-09–17 23:43:03.757 Mixer unable to find control Master 1 |
| [03:58:25] | Anduin: | cak: put your mythconverg/channel table up on the paste site |
| [03:58:43] | cak: | Anduin, where do i get that? |
| [03:59:03] | Anduin: | cak: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "select * from channel" > somefile |
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| [04:02:15] | rage__: | apparently my video/alsa drivers don't like being run with acpi off unless I pass noapic too :O |
| [04:02:56] | cak: | access denied |
| [04:03:16] | Anduin: | cak: Yeah, I made a lot of assumptions |
| [04:03:20] | cak: | Anduin, do i have to set mysql password separately |
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| [04:04:12] | Anduin: | cak: It is probably "mythtv" (unless Ubuntu) |
| [04:05:21] | cak: | it's empty |
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| [04:05:30] | cak: | let me check something |
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| [04:05:58] | toto: | when it set the frontend to more verbose, I get this : AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 3376 need 6144, does anyone know the cause of this error ? |
| [04:06:15] | cak: | Anduin, i was trying few things and deleted card so now i have to add chan again |
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| [04:08:13] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/Qzrog277.html |
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| [04:08:49] | Anduin: | cak: Yeah, so what is the backend log now? |
| [04:09:01] | cak: | one sec |
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| [04:10:42] | Anduin: | On the bright side your source id reveals that you have tried this many times. |
| [04:10:46] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [04:14:10] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/BRZd7X85.html |
| [04:14:20] | cak: | that's before i start front |
| [04:14:27] | hadees: | i'm trying to use two hdpvrs and they both work fine with cat but mythbackend not so much, here is an example of the errors http://pastie.org/274739 |
| [04:14:43] | Anduin: | cak: Yeah, only really interested in the log around you trying to watch TV |
| [04:14:52] | cak: | one sec |
| [04:15:18] | Dagmar: | hadess: You want iamlindoro I suspect |
| [04:15:22] | Dagmar: | Someone who actually has one of the things |
| [04:15:37] | Dagmar: | Far as I know they'll only work with trunk at the moment, and it's finicky |
| [04:15:57] | Dagmar: | Possibly kormoc. I can't remember which people here have one, but it's not many at the moment |
| [04:16:07] | hadees: | lol, iamlindoro is going to get sick of me he always answers my questions |
| [04:16:32] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/kg5dcK38.html |
| [04:16:48] | Dagmar: | hadees: Actually if you could keep it to just "interesting" problems I doubt he's going to be terribly upset |
| [04:16:50] | Anduin: | cak: without trying anything else (not mythtv-setup run), can you dump your capturecard, cardinput, and videosource tables? (same command just change the table name) |
| [04:17:12] | Dagmar: | hadess: Anything will appear to be an improvement over "IT R NOT WORKIN HALP!" |
| [04:17:18] | cak: | one sec |
| [04:17:19] | Dagmar: | ...and you seem to be quite literate. |
| [04:17:20] | Dagmar: | Win! |
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| [04:18:04] | hadees: | Dagmar, thanks, i try, i've been doing mythtv for a whlie, just seems every new capture device i try out there are issues |
| [04:18:17] | Dagmar: | hadess: Well, you picked the winner of the bunch with that device |
| [04:18:32] | hadees: | it appears one of them is actually working on my machine too |
| [04:18:39] | hadees: | weird that only one is failing |
| [04:18:44] | Dagmar: | Yep. "finicky" |
| [04:18:56] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/JM9A1i20.html that's for captcard |
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| [04:20:33] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/oo2BqL99.html that's for input |
| [04:21:54] | cak: | Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/Y7yKdH17.html videosource |
| [04:23:01] | iamlindoro: | hadees, based on your paste in #hdpvr, it looks like you haven't set it up as the proper card type-- which type did you use? |
| [04:23:17] | iamlindoro: | Looks like you used v4l card type |
| [04:23:33] | iamlindoro: | whereas the HD-PRV has its own card type in mythtv-setup, and even then, only in trunk |
| [04:23:35] | iamlindoro: | er HD-PVR |
| [04:23:35] | hadees: | iamlindoro, hmm i'll double check i thought i set them both up the same way, one of them is working |
| [04:23:45] | Dagmar: | w00t! iamlindoro to the rescue |
| [04:23:53] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [04:25:03] | cak: | Anduin, I wonder why is it trying to use tuner on composite input |
| [04:25:04] | hadees: | lol, i also notice i'm getting IOBOUND errors, maybe i shouldn't be recording 5 things at once |
| [04:26:14] | Anduin: | cak: Most of us like to "tune" a cable box or somesuch |
| [04:26:24] | Anduin: | cak: Did you restart the backend after adding the channel? |
| [04:27:13] | cak: | i think so |
| [04:28:40] | Anduin: | cak: also I'd set an external channel changer script for that input |
| [04:28:46] | cak: | Anduin, I forgot to mention after i try watch tv backend hangs and i have to reboot for it to start working |
| [04:28:48] | hadees: | iamlindoro, nope they were setup right |
| [04:28:53] | wagnerrp: | you know, those floating 3d letters in fringe are almost enough to turn me off the show completely |
| [04:29:12] | iamlindoro: | hadees, In that case, these errors don't appear to be about HD-PVRs, as they pertain to a framegrabber type card |
| [04:29:12] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well at least the right card type |
| [04:29:19] | cak: | Anduin, Just pkill or kill -s 9 won't kill it |
| [04:29:36] | Dagmar: | That'a because kernelspace problems laugh at your puny -9 |
| [04:29:38] | cak: | It would hang in ps |
| [04:29:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre doing something horribly wrong with -9 doesnt work |
| [04:30:27] | cak: | how do i kill process for sure ? |
| [04:30:38] | wagnerrp: | if -9 doesnt work, nothing will work |
| [04:30:38] | iamlindoro: | strl-alt-del |
| [04:30:42] | iamlindoro: | er ctrl-alt-del |
| [04:30:44] | wagnerrp: | reboot is needed |
| [04:30:44] | Anduin: | cak: check dmesg, it shouldn't happen |
| [04:30:56] | hadees: | iamlindoro, hmm weird because udevinfo confirmed that video0 is a HD PVR |
| [04:31:10] | cak: | wagnerrp, that's what i thought |
| [04:31:15] | Dagmar: | hadess: This isn't about logical constructions. |
| [04:31:20] | Dagmar: | This is _alpha_ quality. |
| [04:31:27] | cak: | so it hangs pretty bad and i have to restart |
| [04:31:40] | iamlindoro: | hadees, Dunno what to tell you-- myth sure seems to think whatever is at video0 is a software encoder |
| [04:31:44] | wagnerrp: | if -9 doesnt work on a process, its usually caught on some i/o deadlock |
| [04:31:52] | iamlindoro: | And multiple other people have working multiple HD-PVRs |
| [04:32:03] | Dagmar: | hadess: You will need the virtual equivalent of nine paper clips, twenty three gum wrappers, and a completely MacGyver mindset. |
| [04:32:17] | iamlindoro: | for the benefit of the channel, btw, this was his pasted error: http://pastie.org/274739 |
| [04:32:19] | cak: | nothing special in dmesg |
| [04:33:07] | jheizer: | Arg, if anyone from earlier is still around, I am still having my skipping issues |
| [04:33:08] | iamlindoro: | I would agree that video0 is an HD-PVR as myth seems to be confused about it, but myth *also* seems darn sure that it's a v4l card and not HD-PVR type, so.... |
| [04:33:25] | iamlindoro: | You might try removing the capture cards and re-adding them in mythtv-setup |
| [04:33:34] | iamlindoro: | as perhaps some db entry got hosed |
| [04:33:52] | jheizer: | Basically, frontend will play about 30 minute ok, then after that the skipping will only go a second or two ahead, but the time will increase but the 30 sec or 10 minutes |
| [04:33:52] | iamlindoro: | but I'll tell you one thing, myth seems *awful* sure that video0 is a framegrabber/software encoder |
| [04:33:53] | hadees: | iamlindoro, yeah but here is another werid thing i just saw the error for the other HD-PVR i have on video1 |
| [04:34:05] | jheizer: | db tables are ok and optimze_myth scripts ran |
| [04:34:07] | hadees: | but that was working a second ago before i restarted mythbackend |
| [04:34:12] | cak: | Anduin, thnx for your help unfortunately i have to go now |
| [04:34:26] | iamlindoro: | jheizer, not speaking to you |
| [04:34:47] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i removed them all before i started installing the new cards |
| [04:34:48] | Anduin: | cak: Ok, next time you try use my name in the channel and if I hear the beep I'll look |
| [04:34:48] | jheizer: | works fine from another frontend. Just upgraded backend and broken frontend to latest .21-fixes svn and still no luck |
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| [04:35:28] | iamlindoro: | hadees, oh well, as Dagmar quite accurately puts it, it's alpha at best, time to start coding a fix if there's a bug! |
| [04:35:43] | Dagmar: | Enh I think he can duct-tape it into working |
| [04:35:45] | iamlindoro: | I am still leaning *strongly* towards misconfiguration, though |
| [04:36:11] | hadees: | iamlindoro, maybe for some reason clearing out the cards from the UI didn't work |
| [04:36:22] | iamlindoro: | As I've never heard of this and know for a fact that several people have multiple HD-PVRs working happily... not to say it *can't* be a bug, just that the signs sure make it seem unlikely |
| [04:36:24] | hadees: | i never used software encoders though |
| [04:36:32] | cak: | Anduin, Thank u so much for all your time |
| [04:37:41] | hadees: | iamlindoro, do you know what table they store that info in the db? |
| [04:38:04] | Anduin: | hadees: capturecard cardtype |
| [04:38:05] | HaSH: | with a set top box..is it common or wise to leave it on all the time? or should i always power it off when im not watching tv |
| [04:38:18] | iamlindoro: | capturecard |
| [04:38:25] | iamlindoro: | whoops, sorry, Anduin's a step ahead of me |
| [04:38:35] | Anduin: | I was just in there for cak |
| [04:39:23] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: you have access to a weatherstar? |
| [04:39:31] | Anduin: | HaSH: That depends on how reliably you can turn it on when needed |
| [04:39:43] | HaSH: | and if i turn it off...will mythtv know to power it back on if i have a recording scheduled? |
| [04:39:44] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2, nope, I am 100% out of that world (outside of Myth, of course) |
| [04:40:31] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2, What in the world would you want such a specialized piece of equipment for, anyway? We *have* a MythWeather |
| [04:40:52] | hadees: | well capturecard cardtype looks right |
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| [04:41:00] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: well, because it's specialized |
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| [04:41:20] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2, So is a guillotine |
| [04:41:26] | Sulx: | does anyone happen to have b2c2 dvb card and is using 2.6.26+ kernel? |
| [04:41:28] | iamlindoro: | or a Titan rocket |
| [04:41:41] | iamlindoro: | No need to buy those |
| [04:41:55] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: it has become more of a mini cabletv headend hobby, rather than mythtv sources |
| [04:42:15] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2, Dare I ask whether you have even built mythboxes yet? |
| [04:43:54] | Anduin: | HaSH: MythTV won't know to turn it on because it won't know if it off, depending on how you connect it may be possible (some serial and I believe firewire ones can turn on without the guessing IR can involve) |
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| [04:44:46] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i have not :( |
| [04:44:55] | ** CCFL_Man2 looks down in shame ** | |
| [04:45:19] | hadees: | iamlindoro, should i be using 0.22 with a hdpvr? could that be the problem? |
| [04:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Thennnnnn you are going in the special ignore list for people who badger the room for months without a Myth attempt |
| [04:45:30] | iamlindoro: | hadees, you're not trying with .21, are you?? |
| [04:45:43] | hadees: | iamlindoro, a patched version |
| [04:45:47] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhh |
| [04:45:49] | iamlindoro: | dude |
| [04:45:55] | iamlindoro: | HD-PVR is *only* possible with trunk |
| [04:46:13] | iamlindoro: | any patches are just about guaranteed not to work at this point with current drivers |
| [04:46:27] | hadees: | yeah i figured that out, someone hard masked .22 in gentoo for some reason |
| [04:46:29] | strex: | evening folks |
| [04:46:31] | HaSH: | Anduin, ah ok thanks |
| [04:46:35] | iamlindoro: | It's trunk or nothing... like the #hdpvr topic, wiki, and every human being on the planet says |
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| [04:47:11] | iamlindoro: | god help me from people trying to emerge things |
| [04:47:58] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> whereas the HD-PRV has its own card type in mythtv-setup, and even then, only in trunk" |
| [04:48:06] | iamlindoro: | anyone have a timecode for when I said that? |
| [04:48:16] | iamlindoro: | aside from "quite some time ago?" |
| [04:48:32] | Dagmar: | It's okay man |
| [04:48:35] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i did get a cisco 1841 router though |
| [04:48:39] | Dagmar: | I can vouch for hadees |
| [04:48:44] | Dagmar: | Honest error |
| [04:48:49] | ** iamlindoro checks to make sure this isn't #cisco ** | |
| [04:48:53] | iamlindoro: | nope, still OT |
| [04:49:11] | hadees: | i wasn't intentially ignoring you, i just figured gentoo wouldn't pull a switch on me and mask the regular trunk package |
| [04:49:13] | iamlindoro: | Build a mythbox of GTFU |
| [04:49:16] | iamlindoro: | er or |
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| [04:49:42] | iamlindoro: | hadees, It's all right-- I suspect that with trunk you ought to be fine |
| [04:50:09] | iamlindoro: | anyway, off to debauch |
| [04:50:21] | CCFL_Man2: | i did install myth frontend on my mac mini |
| [04:50:39] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, no backend? |
| [04:50:46] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2, Seriously, you are dangerously close to my ignore list |
| [04:50:54] | iamlindoro: | Build a mythbox or GTFU |
| [04:51:01] | iamlindoro: | er GTFO |
| [04:51:21] | hadees: | i was wondering what that U was |
| [04:51:46] | iamlindoro: | It's like the great black_nightmare debacle of early 08 |
| [04:51:51] | iamlindoro: | anyway, night all |
| [04:52:15] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: my mythtv sources have turned into a cable tv headend hobby |
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| [04:53:34] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, i have no idea whats that means |
| [04:53:51] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, might i suggest freevo |
| [04:53:57] | CCFL_Man2: | you know what a cabletgv headend is? |
| [04:54:05] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: You're not helping your case by saying that basically you're using other people's effort to make money |
| [04:54:06] | CCFL_Man2: | cable tv headend |
| [04:54:21] | Dagmar: | ...and if not money specifically, some form of profit. |
| [04:54:48] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i'm not making profit, the headend is my own personal project because thats what i want |
| [04:56:00] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not selling any service, no will i be |
| [04:56:04] | hadees: | i have no idea what a cabletgv headend |
| [04:56:17] | CCFL_Man2: | cable tv headend |
| [04:57:30] | hadees: | alright so i still don't get what you are after |
| [04:57:51] | hadees: | MythTV can use QAM tuners but the other end you are on your own |
| [04:58:22] | CCFL_Man2: | right |
| [04:58:38] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm in the process of building my own cable tv headend |
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| [05:03:08] | hadees: | good for you but mythtv doesn't do that so this isn't want you want unless you plan on coding it, if so i welcome your patch |
| [05:03:27] | wagnerrp: | hadees: you cant put together a headend in software |
| [05:04:01] | hadees: | wagnerrp, you are right, i welcome his patch and drivers |
| [05:04:04] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, either way, its not mythtv |
| [05:06:06] | hadees: | i actually remember someone taking about doing something kind of like that but he was using his own big sattlite and some hardware to output QAM |
| [05:06:39] | wagnerrp: | hopefully you mean his own big dish |
| [05:06:53] | hadees: | lol yeah dish |
| [05:07:24] | wagnerrp: | as if he was doing it with his own big satellite, the cost of the QAM hardware would be inconsequential |
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| [05:21:23] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:21:27] | Anduin: | hadees: It is probably CCFL_Man2 that you are remembering |
| [05:21:33] | mchou: | that's retarded |
| [05:22:04] | mchou: | Satellite dish is nothing compared to cost of cable plant |
| [05:22:47] | mchou: | pont is if he has this there is no need to go HFC |
| [05:23:02] | mchou: | point* |
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| [06:33:19] | Ekodude: | So, i'm using a Hauppauge HVR-950Q. As far as i know, everything is working driverwise and whatnot. I can scan for channels, but only for ATSC channels. All i have is basic NTSC cable, and can't figure out how to scan for channels so i can fill my mythdatabase with all the good stuff from schedulesdirect.org. can anyone help on scanning normal channels? "Fetch channels from listings source" doesn't do anything. at all. |
| [06:34:06] | HaSH: | hmm hello all. i was just watching livetv and went to switch channels and mythtv quit and dropped me back at my desktop....in the console it says: http://rafb.net/p/YLqLNf98.html |
| [06:34:09] | HaSH: | any ideas? |
| [06:39:14] | clever: | Dagmar: still there? |
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| [06:42:47] | Ekodude: | can anyone help me? |
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| [06:43:02] | wagnerrp: | 9500... you mean 950? |
| [06:43:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: that was 950 Q |
| [06:43:36] | clever: | (not a zero) |
| [06:44:26] | clever: | Ekodude: and i didnt think you had to do any channel scanning if you used schedules direct |
| [06:45:04] | Ekodude: | well adding channels manually doesn't seem to work... watch live tv works but i just get a black screen and it says "you should have a channel lock by now" |
| [06:45:17] | wagnerrp: | Ekodude: you set up that tuner as two separate linked tuners |
| [06:45:31] | wagnerrp: | one digital (ATSC), and one analog (NTSC) |
| [06:45:43] | clever: | ahh, ive never gotten the linked tuners to work right when i played with them |
| [06:45:55] | clever: | it looks like it was redone some |
| [06:46:01] | wagnerrp: | ive got a hybrid card like that the 1250 |
| [06:46:11] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, its basically the PCIe version of the 950 |
| [06:46:16] | wagnerrp: | but ive never tried to set up the analog side |
| [06:46:19] | clever: | ah |
| [06:46:24] | wagnerrp: | didnt see it as worth the effort for a framegrabber |
| [06:46:46] | clever: | i gave my frame grabber its own private system just to keep the cpu happy |
| [06:46:57] | clever: | which happens to be my dads main system:P |
| [06:47:29] | clever: | i converted the swap to a /boot and then stole the kernel&initrd from my pxe booting systems |
| [06:47:36] | clever: | which fixed the lack of pxe in the bios |
| [06:47:52] | clever: | add more grub and it can boot windows or netboot linux |
| [06:48:12] | clever: | then i easily moved the old linux partition out and inflated the ntfs |
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| [06:49:02] | wagnerrp: | you modified your bios? or you fixed it in the cmos? |
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| [06:49:17] | clever: | i just worked arround the lack of PXE |
| [06:49:31] | clever: | instead of fetching the kernel&initrd over PXE i stuck them on a local partition |
| [06:49:37] | Ekodude: | wagnerrp:I can't seem to get it to show up as an NTSC tuner at all, only ATSC. a V4L analog device brings up errors about probing. |
| [06:49:54] | clever: | normaly it goes pxe->pxelinux->linux(with some tftp) |
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| [06:50:08] | clever: | that system goes bios->grub->linux(fully pata) |
| [06:50:14] | wagnerrp: | it wont show up as an NTSC tuner, there will be a separate device that shows up as an NTSC tuner |
| [06:50:18] | clever: | then they both meet up with root on nfs |
| [06:51:05] | Dagmar: | Yep. Without netboot in the BIOS that's about the only way you can do it (unless you get really lucky and the thing supports booting from a thumbdrive) |
| [06:51:23] | clever: | ive tryed making a bootable usb stick the same way before |
| [06:51:35] | Dagmar: | isolinux is fun |
| [06:51:36] | clever: | it didnt work and the PDA stoped reading the chip and demanded i format |
| [06:51:38] | Dagmar: | </sarcasm> |
| [06:51:41] | Ekodude: | wagnerrp: i don't have any devices showing up as NTSC, only ATSC. maybe i did the drivers wrong? |
| [06:51:49] | Dagmar: | clever: Oh no that's normal |
| [06:52:03] | clever: | Dagmar: im having trouble with my ide drive now, i switched to a 80 wire cable and im only getting 12mb/sec |
| [06:52:07] | Dagmar: | A bootable thumbdrive isn't going to have "the usual" vfat filesystem things expect |
| [06:52:15] | clever: | it was still vfat |
| [06:52:17] | wagnerrp: | Ekodude: is there anything in /dev/v4l? |
| [06:52:18] | clever: | i never formated it |
| [06:52:32] | Dagmar: | clever: Pay attention to the messages at bootup and make sure you have built the disk controller driver for your motherboard into the kernel. |
| [06:52:34] | clever: | i just stuck grub in the boot sector and made a normal fat dir for the files |
| [06:52:42] | clever: | Sep 18 00:53:03 localhost kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| [06:52:44] | Ekodude: | wagnerrp: ls /dev/v4l tells me no file or directory |
| [06:52:45] | clever: | Sep 18 00:53:03 localhost kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 |
| [06:52:46] | Dagmar: | clever: What you just dropped files onto the thing and expected it to boot? |
| [06:52:55] | wagnerrp: | then your drivers are not set up properly |
| [06:53:00] | Ekodude: | i see |
| [06:53:01] | Dagmar: | clever: Yeah that's kinda the one you want it to not be using. |
| [06:53:06] | clever: | Dagmar: i droped the files in and told grub to install to the boot sector, exactly like ive done in the past with floppys |
| [06:53:22] | Ekodude: | can you give me a tip as to where to start with that? i don't expect you to know exactly, just some google terms i can use or something |
| [06:53:26] | Dagmar: | I would say build it as a module, but if you have to change the motherboard (which will mean a different disk controller usually) it would be very bad to not have that |
| [06:53:42] | Dagmar: | clever: Yeah you can't make thumbdrives bootable like that |
| [06:53:56] | Dagmar: | They work more like optical disks in that respect. |
| [06:54:07] | Dagmar: | You basically have to make an image and then dd the image to the thumbdrive. THEN you can boot it. |
| [06:54:07] | clever: | ive booted a plain laptop harddrive(with no special treatment) in a usb enclosure |
| [06:54:20] | Dagmar: | Yeah that was a USB enclosure with a "real" drive in it. |
| [06:54:25] | Dagmar: | They work differently. |
| [06:54:31] | clever: | but it still comes up as a mass storage device |
| [06:54:32] | clever: | to the pc |
| [06:54:42] | Dagmar: | Of course it does |
| [06:54:42] | clever: | the computer cant tell the difference at a glance |
| [06:54:52] | clever: | its just an array of blocks |
| [06:54:55] | HaSH: | on this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing it says i cna enable interlacing.....but i do not see it under that part....have they changed something? and also do i really need it on digital cable in the us(ntsc)? |
| [06:55:01] | Dagmar: | clever: It knows the difference |
| [06:55:15] | clever: | Dagmar: so you think i need to dig thru menuconfig to enable the proper ide controler? |
| [06:55:25] | Dagmar: | HaSH: One Q at a time, because both of those are pretty complex |
| [06:55:29] | Dagmar: | clever: Yes. |
| [06:55:45] | clever: | and what might it be called? |
| [06:55:51] | Dagmar: | You want it built into the kernel if possible, becuase that uni driver is the last one it'll try |
| [06:55:54] | justinh: | HaSH: yes you really need it, and as to the 1st question – the deinterlacing settings have moved to video playback profiles |
| [06:55:54] | HaSH: | Dagmar, ok well im seeing its not included anymore in mythtv....so how about do i reall need it? |
| [06:55:56] | clever: | how would i find out which ide controler i have |
| [06:55:56] | Dagmar: | clever: Dpeends on what you have in there |
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| [06:56:10] | HaSH: | video playback profiles huh.... |
| [06:56:15] | Dagmar: | HaSH: That depends partly on your output device. What kind of TV and video card are you using? |
| [06:56:20] | clever: | and im not even using an initrd so it cant load modules without ide support, so it must be built in |
| [06:56:23] | justinh: | not only is deinterlacing included in mythtv 0.21, there are now _better_ deinterlacers than before |
| [06:56:40] | HaSH: | Dagmar, pvr-150 and im using comcast cable with a sci atlanta cable box |
| [06:56:45] | Dagmar: | HaSH: like, if you're using a CRT TV and s-video out with an nVidia card, the answer is "You don't have to care" |
| [06:56:52] | Dagmar: | HaSH: No, output. |
| [06:57:11] | justinh: | furthermore, if mythtv detects progressive (i.e non-interlaced) material, it won't deinterlace it |
| [06:57:12] | HaSH: | it goes to my monitor..which is 24 in lcd..connected via umm...hdmi i think |
| [06:57:40] | HaSH: | w/e the high deff connection is.... |
| [06:57:46] | Dagmar: | HaSH: If you have the option for using DVI or VGA, I'd suggest using those instead. It makes certain things easier, although you do have to do something different to get sound to the TV. |
| [06:57:56] | Dagmar: | ...although if HDMI is working okay for you, then screw it |
| [06:58:03] | HaSH: | it is |
| [06:58:27] | Dagmar: | The "easier" thing is that over VGA/DVI the video card can probe the display and get it's native resolution instead of possibly having to fudge things with HDMI |
| [06:58:48] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: hard to find btsc stereo encoders |
| [06:58:50] | justinh: | the video playback profiles config pages can be er.. confusing. people have said that something needs to be done to simplify them somehow but so far no better ideas have been forthcoming ;) |
| [06:58:52] | clever: | ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support |
| [06:59:00] | clever: | im guessing the ide controler is in that area |
| [06:59:09] | Dagmar: | The reason to maybe tell Myth you have digital cable would be so that it knows it *must* use an external channel changer instead of trying to use your tuner |
| [06:59:24] | Dagmar: | clever: Yeah. What kind of motherboard do you have? |
| [06:59:41] | Dagmar: | clever: and type `lspci | grep IDE` |
| [06:59:42] | HaSH: | ah Dagmar ...things appear to work great for me with the hdmi...i have a nvidia vid card it detected the correct resoution for my monitor |
| [06:59:46] | Dagmar: | /bin/sh: lspci: command not found |
| [06:59:47] | clever: | no idea, i tore every unused pc i had at the time appart and used the best parts |
| [06:59:52] | Dagmar: | *burp* lemme try that again |
| [06:59:56] | justinh: | Dagmar: if you use a digital (ATSC or DVB) input you can't tell myth to use an external channel changer |
| [06:59:57] | Dagmar: | 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 Controller (rev 12) |
| [07:00:02] | clever: | 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] |
| [07:00:13] | Dagmar: | justinh: Hence the word I seldom use... "Maybe" |
| [07:00:16] | justinh: | or rather you _can_ tell it to use one, but it won't |
| [07:00:22] | HaSH: | justinh, yea they do...i have no idea how to use those pages....b4 they had nice names...like bob or kernel... |
| [07:00:26] | Dagmar: | clever: Okay, so you're looking for the PIIX drivers |
| [07:00:51] | HaSH: | like what is the slim profile?... |
| [07:00:55] | justinh: | HaSH: well, now there are video playback profiles which basically tell myth what to do when it encounters different resolutions of video |
| [07:00:59] | clever: | Prompt: Intel PIIXn chipsets support |
| [07:01:03] | clever: | that sounds right |
| [07:01:04] | HaSH: | or cpu++ |
| [07:01:09] | Dagmar: | clever: Yep that one |
| [07:01:10] | Dagmar: | Intel PIIX/ICH chipsets support |
| [07:01:18] | clever: | i just used / in menu config:) |
| [07:01:19] | justinh: | because sometimes it's better to treat them separately ;) |
| [07:01:21] | clever: | now to make my way there |
| [07:01:24] | HaSH: | justinh, yea...but whats the recomended one?.... |
| [07:01:32] | justinh: | there is no recommended profile |
| [07:01:34] | HaSH: | or im just a little confused as to what i need |
| [07:01:46] | justinh: | what you should use depends on what'd work best for you |
| [07:01:53] | justinh: | try 'default' first |
| [07:01:59] | Dagmar: | HaSH: Don't be afraid to just make a *new* profile |
| [07:02:11] | Dagmar: | The ones that are in there (if default doesn't make you happy) are a bit overly-complex. |
| [07:02:20] | justinh: | 'default' is supposed to be akin to the old ways |
| [07:02:48] | HaSH: | i dont see a default one...the one it was on was cpu+ and it think i mucked it up messing around |
| [07:02:54] | Dagmar: | It's rather staggeringly easy to tell it "Just use ffmpeg all the time" and so on |
| [07:02:56] | clever: | <*> Intel PIIXn chipsets support |
| [07:03:06] | clever: | Dagmar: it seems its allready enabled and built in... |
| [07:03:19] | Dagmar: | clever: Are you sure you have loaded the kernel you think you have? |
| [07:03:26] | justinh: | I can think of at least one way to make the profiles setup more friendly... just with all the promised work on mythui coming up it might be a slight waste of time fiddling with it now |
| [07:03:33] | Dagmar: | clever: Now would be a good time to pull in /proc/config.gz |
| [07:03:36] | clever: | Dagmar: i beleive it is the proper one |
| [07:03:46] | justinh: | as with so many other stuff I want to mess with |
| [07:03:48] | Dagmar: | clever: That *is* the right one judging from the line you pasted |
| [07:03:53] | justinh: | s/many/much |
| [07:03:56] | clever: | Dagmar: 404, file not found |
| [07:04:02] | Dagmar: | Seriously? |
| [07:04:06] | Dagmar: | You dont' have a /proc/config.gz? |
| [07:04:08] | clever: | i dont have config.gz enabled |
| [07:04:13] | clever: | its an option in menuconfig |
| [07:04:14] | Dagmar: | You need to enable that and never turn it off again |
| [07:04:22] | Dagmar: | It eliminates confusion. |
| [07:04:32] | clever: | i was simply copying the .config at the same time as the kernle |
| [07:04:35] | justinh: | well, breakfast done.. time to head to work |
| [07:04:39] | Dagmar: | Costs a whole 20K or so of RAM. |
| [07:04:50] | clever: | there its on |
| [07:05:23] | Dagmar: | clever: If you had that support built into the kernel, then at any time you could cd /usr/src/linux, make mrproper; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config && make oldconfig && make menuconfig |
| [07:05:26] | clever: | i think i did a make clean... |
| [07:05:49] | clever: | i dont have the sources in the 'proper' place, they live in /sources/linux-2.6.16.27/ |
| [07:05:56] | Dagmar: | No big deal |
| [07:06:08] | clever: | and i rarely clean them so the .config is allways there |
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| [07:06:36] | clever: | no package manager controling things |
| [07:06:40] | Dagmar: | ...but with configfs support in, you don't have to worry about ever accidentally copying the wrong .config over |
| [07:06:50] | HaSH: | is it better to use opengl or xv-blit? |
| [07:07:08] | clever: | i also have every needed thing compiled into the kernel(not a module) so lsmod is normaly empty |
| [07:07:25] | Dagmar: | OpenGL if you can, but I could swear it said xv-blit should be a 'last ditch' choise and there was another xv* option there |
| [07:08:06] | Dagmar: | clever: All that's really getting you is obese kernels |
| [07:08:10] | Dagmar: | ...and potential headaches. |
| [07:08:18] | clever: | the only time xv has ever failed me was when i used the vesa video driver |
| [07:08:27] | Dagmar: | At the very least all the USB device drivers should be modules |
| [07:08:35] | clever: | no usb card |
| [07:08:39] | clever: | so its totaly disabled |
| [07:08:46] | Dagmar: | Wow that's old |
| [07:08:59] | clever: | model name : Pentium MMX |
| [07:09:05] | clever: | 200mhz |
| [07:09:09] | clever: | Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready (#17) |
| [07:09:10] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [07:09:14] | clever: | Linux newrouter 2.6.16.27 #16 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 6 08:01:30 ADT 2008 i586 pentium-mmx i386 GNU/Linux |
| [07:09:24] | clever: | im running the 16th kernel from this source, and i just made the 17th |
| [07:09:39] | clever: | im allmost 100% shure that the kernel matches the config i started with |
| [07:09:49] | Dagmar: | Linux fw 2.6.25.4fw #1 Sun Jun 1 15:05:00 CDT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [07:09:56] | HaSH: | hmm....i goto add a new entry..but how do i use it? ..it never asked for a name for it..and i dont see a "user set" or some entry after i finish making it |
| [07:09:57] | Dagmar: | I am heavy-handed about making sure my source is clean |
| [07:10:12] | Dagmar: | HaSH: After you set it there that's pretty much all you have to do |
| [07:10:16] | clever: | i copyed the wifi drivers into my kernel source dir and compiled them in ages ago |
| [07:10:19] | clever: | and later disabled it |
| [07:10:20] | Dagmar: | I dont' think you even have to restart the frontend |
| [07:10:36] | clever: | my source is probly a mess:P |
| [07:11:00] | Dagmar: | clever: Well, I also am very very picky about making sure I know exactly what's in the machine, so I rarely have to do anything with the configs for each one. |
| [07:11:03] | clever: | and yes this system is old |
| [07:11:21] | Dagmar: | Generally my first build of a particular version of a kernel is the _last_ one as well |
| [07:11:30] | clever: | i raped every single box i wasnt using(making impressive heaps of ram and hdd's) |
| [07:11:38] | HaSH: | hmm..not sure i understand.....i made one....but i think it messed up profile "high quality" |
| [07:11:38] | clever: | then put all the best parts into this system |
| [07:11:55] | Dagmar: | HaSH: You can mess up a profile you're not using all you like. |
| [07:12:03] | Dagmar: | The one selected on that screen is the one it will use for everything. |
| [07:12:09] | clever: | then spent several days of rebuilding the kernel to get the right network drivers |
| [07:12:21] | Dagmar: | clever: You and lspci need to make friends. |
| [07:12:21] | clever: | then more months of working on and off till i got pppoe and wvdial working |
| [07:12:31] | clever: | lspci wasnt installed when i started:P |
| [07:12:35] | clever: | neither was ifconfig |
| [07:12:39] | Dagmar: | LFS? |
| [07:12:44] | clever: | i learned the beast that is ip and fell in love:P |
| [07:12:46] | clever: | yep |
| [07:12:51] | Dagmar: | That would explain it then |
| [07:12:52] | clever: | cat /etc/lfs-release |
| [07:12:52] | clever: | 6.2 |
| [07:13:03] | clever: | /sbin/ip is wicked fun |
| [07:13:08] | clever: | way better then ifconfig |
| [07:13:23] | Dagmar: | I don't know about "fun" but there's a large extent to which distros should have switched to that thing a LONG time ago |
| [07:13:24] | Ekodude: | So i can't figure out how to get analog video support for my HVR-950q. anyone with experience with this card, or can at least point me in the right direction? it's driving me mad. |
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| [07:13:32] | clever: | i can switch the system(laptop) from ethernet->wifi without breaking a single tcp connection |
| [07:14:14] | clever: | with ifconfig i basicaly have to down the whole interface and bring the other up and hope all the connections clue in to the mac change |
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| [07:14:25] | Dagmar: | That has zero to do with it |
| [07:14:29] | HaSH: | ah ok. |
| [07:14:35] | clever: | but with ip i can put my adr on both mac's at once and move the route's over and wait till trafic on one dies off |
| [07:14:55] | clever: | (maybe i just dont know ifconfig very well) |
| [07:14:56] | Dagmar: | You realize you're doing something really nasty to IP when you do that, right? |
| [07:14:57] | HaSH: | i dont really know much about deinterlacers..but should i just use the Linear? or is there better ones to use? |
| [07:15:07] | Dagmar: | HaSH: Pick whichever one looks best to your eyes. |
| [07:15:22] | Dagmar: | There's lots of different ways to do it, all of them more or less equally wrong or right |
| [07:15:26] | clever: | ip addr add 10.0.0.x dev wan0;ip route del 10.0.0.x/25 dev eth0;ip route add 10.0.0.0/25 dev wan0 |
| [07:15:41] | clever: | (wait); ip addr del 10.0.0.x dev eth0;ip link set eth0 down |
| [07:15:54] | Dagmar: | clever: To put it simply, you should never have two networks living next to each other with the same IP space |
| [07:16:07] | clever: | its the same network on both cards |
| [07:16:15] | clever: | im just hoping from 1 card to another |
| [07:16:31] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't be unless your AP is a media converter, and there's not many of those around anymore |
| [07:16:36] | clever: | for example, leaving the desk and unpluging the ethernet, while switching seamlessly to wifi |
| [07:16:56] | clever: | my wireless router simply bridges the wifi and LAN ports together |
| [07:17:00] | Dagmar: | You have one of those old Apple airports? |
| [07:17:08] | Dagmar: | Okay yeah you can do that then |
| [07:17:13] | clever: | dont think ive ever had any mac product in my house |
| [07:17:24] | Dagmar: | There's reasons a media bridge is slightly dodgy, but at least it does facilitate you doing that |
| [07:17:30] | clever: | and my wifi router isnt being used as a router |
| [07:17:51] | Dagmar: | Understand that most of the modern access points *won't* let you do that because they can't. |
| [07:17:56] | clever: | i simply connect the LAN port to my central switch and make shure its ip doesnt cause conflicts, and disable dhcp |
| [07:18:25] | clever: | most of the ap's i borrow in hotels are the oposite |
| [07:18:28] | clever: | a wifi client |
| [07:18:34] | Ekodude: | i can't find anything online for my HVR-950q, everything about it is just people making a big deal out of it doing QAM. I just want to use the NTSC stuff about it.... can't figure out how to get the drivers to set it up that way |
| [07:18:58] | Dagmar: | Ekodude: Check the v4l site and look at what it says the supported status of the card is |
| [07:18:59] | clever: | the box has a single lan port and it connects to a preset essid and bridges the wifi<->lan for older laptops |
| [07:19:06] | Dagmar: | Not *all* of the hybrid cards are 100% supported yet |
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| [07:20:15] | clever: | ive yet to see any wireless access point that doesnt bridge the 2 'ethernet segments' |
| [07:20:28] | clever: | (or 5 techincaly, 4 lan ports and 1 'wireless port') |
| [07:20:39] | Dagmar: | clever: Trust me, it's rare. |
| [07:20:52] | mchou: | frack |
| [07:21:03] | Dagmar: | Even with the fancy firmware on the Linksys WRT54g it will fight you kicking and screaming to get to even try acting as an ethernet bridge |
| [07:21:18] | Dagmar: | ...and there's a good reason *not* to have one configured as a bridge. |
| [07:21:24] | clever: | like? |
| [07:21:32] | mchou: | anyone know of any issues with pvr150 dropping frames with Hg durivers? |
| [07:21:32] | Dagmar: | It would have to carry broadcast traffic to the wireless segment _all_ the time |
| [07:21:50] | Dagmar: | mchou: Haven't seen anyone reporting that |
| [07:21:55] | mchou: | drivers* |
| [07:22:00] | clever: | i think mine knows when theres no clients and doesnt send broadcast out when nobody is connected |
| [07:22:05] | clever: | i havent played with that much though |
| [07:22:07] | clever: | i |
| [07:22:13] | clever: | i'll start my packet sniffer |
| [07:22:34] | mchou: | Dagmar: you have a QAM/atsc tuner by any chance? |
| [07:22:38] | clever: | i think its eth4 |
| [07:22:41] | Dagmar: | mchou: Nope. |
| [07:22:50] | Dagmar: | mchou: I would get myself into trouble with that |
| [07:22:58] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [07:23:03] | clever: | i see beacons from everybody, but no data yet |
| [07:23:08] | mchou: | Dagmar: why? They're legit |
| [07:23:16] | clever: | now to spam broadcasts(arp) |
| [07:23:25] | Dagmar: | mchou: Just because I'm an OCD bastard, I would definitely wind up finding the grey market things necessary to "get" QAM, encrypted or not. |
| [07:23:32] | clever: | totaly silent! |
| [07:23:44] | mchou: | Dagmar: bah |
| [07:23:49] | clever: | Dagmar: as i expected, my bridge isnt relaying broadcast when theres zero clients |
| [07:24:32] | Dagmar: | mchou: There was this thing from when I had the CISSP that said you have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and I figure it's a bit easier to stay out of trouble that way |
| [07:24:36] | mchou: | Dagmar: that's called a set top box, by the way :) |
| [07:24:43] | clever: | and my neighbors changed there wifi router..., it was a dlink like mine but now it claims belkin54g |
| [07:24:44] | Dagmar: | NOT LIKE IT'S KEPT THE FBI OFF MY DOORSTEP OR ANYTHING but I try |
| [07:25:06] | mchou: | Dagmar: my neighbor is a fed |
| [07:25:31] | clever: | i'll make shure to deliver the weed to your place then:P |
| [07:25:31] | Dagmar: | mchou: I also seriously object to having to use a blaster at all |
| [07:25:39] | mchou: | Dagmar: he's not my example of a law abiding citizen |
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| [07:25:51] | mchou: | Dagmar: blaster?? |
| [07:25:54] | Dagmar: | mchou: Hardly anyone is |
| [07:25:59] | clever: | mchou: has his own weed growing in the back yard? |
| [07:25:59] | Dagmar: | mchou: for changing channels. |
| [07:26:12] | Dagmar: | clever: If he's in the Bay Area, probably |
| [07:26:12] | mchou: | Dagmar: dude, no one uses a blaster |
| [07:26:18] | clever: | i would avoid my ir blaster too if i could, but i have no way right now |
| [07:26:22] | Dagmar: | mchou: I have no idea where my firewire card is |
| [07:26:30] | mchou: | Dagmar: lol |
| [07:26:37] | Dagmar: | I own exactly one of them. |
| [07:26:40] | clever: | my STB doesnt have firewire ports and i dont remember where the firewire pci card is |
| [07:26:51] | clever: | my only choice is blast or serial |
| [07:26:53] | mchou: | Dagmar: spend $10 and get another one |
| [07:26:57] | Dagmar: | I am not in an area where Comcast is run by the enlightened. |
| [07:27:00] | clever: | and the serial port doesnt react right to the control script |
| [07:27:07] | mchou: | Dagmar: they're cheap |
| [07:27:12] | Dagmar: | ...so there would also be the inducement to break the @#$@ out of 5C. |
| [07:27:24] | mchou: | bah |
| [07:27:39] | mchou: | Dagmar: you must have lots of time on your hands |
| [07:27:50] | Dagmar: | mchou: I run Slackware. |
| [07:27:54] | Dagmar: | So... duh. |
| [07:27:57] | mchou: | more time than $$$ :) |
| [07:28:07] | Dagmar: | No, I have $$$. |
| [07:28:26] | Dagmar: | I just don't blow it on things I can't do myself, guesstimating reasonable consulting rates on time |
| [07:28:35] | clever: | umm, wtf, im picking up channel 11 when tuned to channel 1(on wifi) |
| [07:28:47] | Dagmar: | Mainly, "would I be better off doing this, or taking some overtime hours at work" |
| [07:29:33] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I threw money at the IR blaster problem. For $30 plus shipping I'd have to be able to get it all done in under an hour, versus five minutes to just order one. |
| [07:30:03] | mchou: | irblasters are cheap and easy |
| [07:30:42] | clever: | and unstable |
| [07:30:48] | mchou: | wagnerrp: you have a qam/atsc receiver? |
| [07:30:48] | clever: | mine drops a digit once a week |
| [07:30:49] | Dagmar: | Not serial ones. |
| [07:30:56] | clever: | my blaster is serial |
| [07:31:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, use it for ATSC |
| [07:31:11] | wagnerrp: | i get a whopping 8 channels on QAM |
| [07:31:15] | clever: | i sometimes get channel 4 (tv guide!) when i want 45 |
| [07:31:22] | mchou: | wagnerrp: which make/model? |
| [07:31:26] | wagnerrp: | plus a hundred or so on-demand channels |
| [07:31:28] | wagnerrp: | 1250 |
| [07:31:39] | wagnerrp: | (hauppauge) |
| [07:31:44] | Dagmar: | clever: Tape the emitter right over the sensor on the STB using black electrical tape. |
| [07:31:48] | mchou: | wagnerrp: it's worked OK? |
| [07:32:03] | clever: | Dagmar: the led wont fit like that without bending the leads |
| [07:32:07] | clever: | its a home made blastr |
| [07:32:08] | mchou: | wagnerrp: meaning you're reasonably happy with it? |
| [07:32:12] | wagnerrp: | when i first got it, i had to grab the mercurial drivers |
| [07:32:14] | Dagmar: | clever: Mine ain't. |
| [07:32:20] | wagnerrp: | but recent kernels have the drivers integrated |
| [07:32:23] | wagnerrp: | hasnt been a problem |
| [07:32:32] | mchou: | ok. good to know |
| [07:32:36] | wagnerrp: | aside from some signal issues since im using a pair of bunny ears |
| [07:32:42] | Dagmar: | clever: Salvage some black two-conductor wire from something. |
| [07:32:43] | mchou: | bah |
| [07:32:47] | mchou: | bunny ears |
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| [07:32:55] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Posters. |
| [07:32:56] | mchou: | get some real antennas |
| [07:32:58] | wagnerrp: | of course im like 5 miles from all the transmitters in town, so i dont have much trouble |
| [07:33:01] | Dagmar: | Posters can hide all sorts of antennas |
| [07:33:25] | clever: | Dagmar: i took a old serial mouse and gutted it to house the led/resistor/diode and to get a serial cord |
| [07:33:42] | Dagmar: | clever: No black phone wire even? |
| [07:33:44] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: actually, ive got a big ass wood entertainment center i can just hide the antenna behind, if i were so inclined |
| [07:33:57] | clever: | nope all external wires are original to the mouse and untouched |
| [07:34:13] | clever: | the only trace that i did anything is that theres an LED sticking out the front of the mouse |
| [07:34:19] | wagnerrp: | clever: so you now have a serial mouse duct taped to the wall pointing at the tv? |
| [07:34:29] | Dagmar: | I would think a mouse taped to the front of the STB would be a little obvious, wouldn't you? |
| [07:34:34] | clever: | wagnerrp: its sitting on the dresser pointed directly into the box |
| [07:34:39] | wagnerrp: | the 'stock' look doesnt really cut it at that point |
| [07:34:53] | mchou: | wagnerrp: 1250 is hybrid tuner, right? ATSC/NTSC, not at the same time, correct? |
| [07:35:03] | wagnerrp: | mchou: correct |
| [07:35:04] | clever: | the whole setup is out of sight |
| [07:35:06] | Dagmar: | geez. Here I am about to go to Rat Shack tomorrow to get an LED mounting shield in the right color |
| [07:35:22] | clever: | lol |
| [07:35:24] | wagnerrp: | but ive got a pair of 150s already, and the NTSC tuner is just a frame grabber, so i dont use it |
| [07:35:26] | mchou: | Screw rat shack |
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| [07:35:49] | wagnerrp: | besides, i would want to capture OTA digital, and analog cable, which it cant do |
| [07:35:50] | mchou: | I feel sorry for you if you have to resort to rat shack |
| [07:36:09] | Dagmar: | Well, tehre isn't anyone else who sells little fiddly bits like that in this whole state anymore |
| [07:36:16] | phantom_: | anyone know why myth would delete newly recorded shows to make space instead of the oldest shows ? |
| [07:36:16] | wagnerrp: | not without some level of signal filtering/combining |
| [07:36:20] | Dagmar: | Javanco closed. |
| [07:36:21] | phantom_: | its deleting shows it recorded earlier today to record more shows today |
| [07:36:38] | clever: | phantom_: in the setup you can set what order to delete stuff in |
| [07:36:40] | wagnerrp: | phantom_: priority levels |
| [07:36:43] | Dagmar: | The other shops mainly only carry sh*t I think _cavemen_ used |
| [07:36:47] | clever: | something about watched shows 1st and other settings |
| [07:37:08] | mchou: | Dagmar: no surplus electronics stores? |
| [07:37:17] | Dagmar: | Like, transistors as big as my THUMB and stuff that I'm assuming is meant to control traffic lights and other "industrial" (i.e., ludicrously inelegant) circuits |
| [07:37:18] | phantom_: | so recording priority has bearing on deletion priority too |
| [07:37:38] | Dagmar: | mchou: Javanco was like having a combination of DigiKey and a time machine |
| [07:37:51] | wagnerrp: | i thought there was some expire priority, but i dont seem to find it |
| [07:37:55] | clever: | phantom_: you can also view the current expire prio somewhere in the system status in the frontend |
| [07:38:07] | phantom_: | via mythweb too?? |
| [07:38:11] | Dagmar: | Every fiddly little part you could want, and semis coming in weekly with "surplused" stuff that bordered on the bizarre |
| [07:38:28] | Dagmar: | If you wanted an MRI machine of your very own, Javanco had one, in parts, for about nine months. |
| [07:38:40] | wagnerrp: | you can tell it to only store so many episodes |
| [07:39:02] | Dagmar: | Once in a shipment of "things" from the Navy, they accidentally got some magic rods. :) |
| [07:39:04] | phantom_: | i just dont want it deleting shows it recorded today |
| [07:39:06] | clever: | Dagmar: one of the blogs i read sometimes, the writer has a electron microscope on his kitchen table:P |
| [07:39:15] | phantom_: | when there are hundreds of gigs of weeks old shows |
| [07:39:15] | mchou: | Dagmar: that's too bad they closed |
| [07:39:19] | wagnerrp: | its optional to let the expirer take the recording priority into account |
| [07:39:25] | clever: | Dagmar: what kind of magic are they? |
| [07:39:30] | Dagmar: | mchou: yes, it very much sucked. The Ham Radio people in town were heartbroken |
| [07:39:34] | clever: | harry potter magic or uranium magic:P |
| [07:39:36] | phantom_: | shows that are set to auto-expire arent |
| [07:39:48] | phantom_: | i mean |
| [07:39:49] | phantom_: | some are |
| [07:39:56] | phantom_: | but there doesnt seem to be any pattern |
| [07:39:59] | Dagmar: | clever: The kind of magic that makes the Navy send some nice men in fancy white uniforms over to ask very nicely if they could have them back. |
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| [07:40:06] | clever: | lol |
| [07:40:19] | clever: | maybe its a peice from the alien space craft... |
| [07:40:26] | Dagmar: | They had a particular black and yellow icon on them I'm *sure* you've seen before. |
| [07:40:29] | wagnerrp: | spent fuel rods? |
| [07:40:30] | Dagmar: | *Those* kind of rods. |
| [07:40:33] | Dagmar: | Not spent. |
| [07:40:36] | Dagmar: | _Not_. |
| [07:40:39] | wagnerrp: | even better! |
| [07:40:40] | Dagmar: | wheee! |
| [07:40:45] | clever: | sounds like the uranium magic rods:P |
| [07:41:02] | Dagmar: | yeah, the parts guy's answer was basically "Oh by all means TAKE them" |
| [07:41:25] | clever: | get them out of the store before my lunch starts to walk |
| [07:41:41] | Dagmar: | They were quite safely packaged. |
| [07:41:44] | Dagmar: | But still. |
| [07:41:52] | Dagmar: | You don't want that around. |
| [07:41:59] | Dagmar: | No one would be up to ANY good with it. |
| [07:42:05] | clever: | open it and play fetch with the neighbors dog that never shuts up? |
| [07:42:15] | wagnerrp: | oh i dont know about that |
| [07:42:16] | Dagmar: | definitely not. |
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| [07:42:25] | Dagmar: | You might get "weird grass". |
| [07:42:27] | wagnerrp: | everybody wants a Mr. Fission |
| [07:42:28] | clever: | it will stop eventualy:P |
| [07:42:40] | Dagmar: | ...or an alarming abundance of four-leaf clovers. |
| [07:42:41] | clever: | yeah a mr. fission sunds more fun |
| [07:42:44] | Dagmar: | They have that in Oak Ridge. |
| [07:42:44] | clever: | go off the grid |
| [07:42:48] | Dagmar: | I'm not *even* joking about that |
| [07:42:54] | clever: | what about a 7 leaf clover? |
| [07:43:00] | wagnerrp: | never refuel your car |
| [07:43:09] | clever: | damnit, my frontend semi crashed |
| [07:43:13] | clever: | who wants to debug it!!! |
| [07:43:18] | wagnerrp: | watching too much futurama? |
| [07:43:19] | Dagmar: | One of my roommates in college was from there, and we took a little drive to some places he knew. Came back with a small bag of four leaf clovers. |
| [07:43:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: andromeda |
| [07:43:59] | wagnerrp: | clever: the 7-leaf clover was from futurama (unless there was some other media reference to one) |
| [07:44:09] | Dagmar: | Remember, back in '98 or so, they discovered a materials shortage, ie., they were short several pounds of uranium. |
| [07:44:09] | clever: | 2008-09–18 04:42:19.112 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec |
| [07:44:28] | clever: | wagnerrp: was referencing the 4 leaf clovers that Dagmar mentioned |
| [07:44:31] | hads: | That's not a srash |
| [07:44:40] | Dagmar: | I am still astonished the media didn't just go nuts when they released that they had determined it wasn't _stolen_, but that it had washed out over time. |
| [07:44:47] | clever: | my startplayer() gave up after 20 seconds |
| [07:44:50] | clever: | yet hasnt stoped! |
| [07:44:56] | clever: | (and is now ignoring the keyboard) |
| [07:44:58] | Dagmar: | Like, "Haha silly us, it just went into the groundwater. No big deal!" |
| [07:45:05] | wagnerrp: | anyway, uranium is relatively benign |
| [07:45:20] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a LOT of know how, or just want a dirtybomb |
| [07:45:36] | clever: | plutonium is probly worse |
| [07:45:52] | clever: | i think that one will go into meltdown on its own if its too pure |
| [07:45:59] | wagnerrp: | plutonium is surprisingly stable |
| [07:46:07] | Dagmar: | Either way, it's radioactive. |
| [07:46:16] | clever: | they will all melt you:P |
| [07:46:29] | Dagmar: | Over time, you get lots of four leaf clovers, and maybe a few flipper babies but who's counting |
| [07:46:32] | phantom_: | until you fire a slug of it at another slug |
| [07:46:41] | phantom_: | e.g. little boy |
| [07:46:42] | wagnerrp: | plutonium, you can handle for short periods without permanent damage |
| [07:47:13] | Dagmar: | I'm perfectly fine not handling fissionables of any sort, thanks. |
| [07:47:22] | clever: | 2008-09–18 04:42:19.112 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec |
| [07:47:34] | wagnerrp: | its no worse than dealing with RADAR equipment |
| [07:47:43] | phantom_: | nm |
| [07:47:45] | hads: | 2008-09–18 04:42:19.112 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec |
| [07:47:46] | Dagmar: | I don't stand close to the microwave if I can help it. |
| [07:47:50] | jblack: | I don't think radar emits gamma. :) |
| [07:47:57] | phantom_: | fat man was plutonium, not lil boy |
| [07:48:02] | wagnerrp: | no, but it will make you sterile just the same |
| [07:48:03] | clever: | my frontend didnt halt after that error |
| [07:48:17] | clever: | hads: why would the frontend continue to play after giving up? |
| [07:48:35] | hads: | clever: I don't know. |
| [07:48:38] | RoflCoptr: | atomatomatom |
| [07:50:23] | jblack: | Sure. high power Radio and RADAR can bake ya great. But it doesn't have the same problem as ingesting alpha and beta particles, ingesting things that emit gamma, etc. |
| [07:50:45] | clever: | every freq and particle has a diff effect |
| [07:50:46] | jblack: | RADAR doesn't lodge in the lungs. |
| [07:50:47] | Dagmar: | jblack: Personally, I tend to not play games with anything that can mess up DNA replication. |
| [07:51:00] | wagnerrp: | fair enough, it just cooks you, rather than ionizes you |
| [07:51:03] | jblack: | Heh. Don't go out during the day much? Avoid the basement? |
| [07:51:08] | Floppe: | Seems like EIT updates stops some hours after each backend restart. any hints on how to track down the problem? getting tired of restarting backend several times per week. |
| [07:51:14] | clever: | Dagmar: give up now then, neutrinos are constantly wizzing thru your body all day and night |
| [07:51:17] | Dagmar: | jblack: You joke, but mainly I *do* stay out of the sun |
| [07:51:31] | jblack: | You go outside, and you're getting all sorts of neat radio from the sun. Go in the basement, and you could be inhaling radon. |
| [07:51:40] | Dagmar: | clever: And there's gangbangers in Oakland but that doesn't mean I'm going to just stroll through the place |
| [07:51:55] | jblack: | Break a leg, and they'll give you a nice dose of X-Rays. And don't ask me about cat scans. =) |
| [07:52:01] | clever: | Dagmar: the neutrinos are able to go right thru the whole plannet, not much will stop them |
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| [07:52:23] | clever: | jblack: my dad fixes xray machines for work, catscans and all the related ones |
| [07:52:48] | Dagmar: | clever: We wouldn't have developed the type of DNA we have if there wasn't an effect |
| [07:52:51] | wagnerrp: | jblack: PET scans are more fun, you get to play with antimatter |
| [07:53:14] | clever: | Dagmar: he follows the proper safety stuff most of the time and avoids any exposure |
| [07:53:14] | jblack: | I never had a PET scan. Just xrays, cat scans, and lots of MRIs. |
| [07:53:21] | clever: | lead walls and windows help greatly |
| [07:53:31] | Dagmar: | Lead in the paint. |
| [07:53:32] | wagnerrp: | ive only ever had the dental x-rays |
| [07:53:32] | Dagmar: | I KNEW IT> |
| [07:53:39] | jblack: | Which I think uses superconductive electromagnets. |
| [07:53:47] | clever: | its a whole layer of solid lead between 2 sheets of drywall |
| [07:54:00] | Dagmar: | jblack: Yep. Magnets. |
| [07:54:05] | wagnerrp: | although one of the walls at work is about 2ft of solid lead |
| [07:54:16] | Dagmar: | I'm being facetious about this, but the big signs around them saying "OMG DON'T BRING METAL NEAR HERE" are a big hint |
| [07:54:18] | jblack: | that reminds me... time for my annual mri. :( |
| [07:54:28] | wagnerrp: | apparently we are too radioactive for the guy next door's liking |
| [07:54:30] | Dagmar: | I go past a few of those labs in any given month. |
| [07:55:19] | Dagmar: | Tehy have big signs outside because once you're in those rooms, your watch might wind up a wall decoration if something goes awry. |
| [07:55:33] | jblack: | MRI labs? |
| [07:55:41] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [07:55:48] | Dagmar: | College students can be idiots at times. |
| [07:55:49] | jblack: | pbpbpbp. They're not _THAT_ strong. |
| [07:56:07] | wagnerrp: | only a couple tesla |
| [07:56:16] | clever: | jblack: but having a car parked outside the mobile mri can screw with the magnetic field of the earth and mess up the calibration |
| [07:56:16] | Dagmar: | jblack: They don't need to be for some intern to be standing right next to the machine with his watch on. |
| [07:56:22] | jblack: | I bought a hair band with a metallic clip into an mri once, because I forgot to take it off my finger. |
| [07:56:38] | clever: | the large block of metal can affect the nearby fields |
| [07:56:46] | jblack: | Those... rubber bandy things with a little piece of cinched metal. |
| [07:56:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I know. My GF sheds them |
| [07:57:02] | wagnerrp: | metallic != ferromagnetic |
| [07:57:04] | clever: | lol |
| [07:57:06] | Dagmar: | I find them all over |
| [07:57:16] | jblack: | This one _was_ magnetic. Probably normal steel. |
| [07:57:23] | Dagmar: | Bring a nice iron nail in sometime. |
| [07:57:27] | jblack: | It didn't cleave off my finger. It just kept... bouncing. |
| [07:57:28] | clever: | i heard a few storys like coins in a pocket making a tent in the pants:P |
| [07:57:33] | Dagmar: | Watch the MRI tech freak out |
| [07:57:55] | Dagmar: | jblack: It's small. |
| [07:57:57] | jblack: | They were pissed when I told them that I lost it. |
| [07:58:02] | clever: | Dagmar: how about a non magnetic nail, so you can wave it infront of the machine safely while she has a heart attack:P |
| [07:58:16] | Dagmar: | ...and you don't really want a watch to go bouncing off things. Watches aren't meant to be treated like that and the paint chips. |
| [07:58:56] | Dagmar: | hehehe |
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| [07:59:11] | jblack: | Oh, sure. I didn't go in there with rebar. I just mean, it's not supernaturally-superpowerful suicide-by-eating-a-few-ballbearings first deadly. |
| [07:59:11] | Dagmar: | I assume they already knew about any piercings that might have applied |
| [07:59:14] | clever: | maybe look arround for the difb machine first:P |
| [07:59:31] | Dagmar: | clever: I like the new automatic ones. |
| [07:59:45] | clever: | yeah those ones are foolproof |
| [07:59:55] | Dagmar: | I would call it "jackass proof" |
| [08:00:09] | clever: | and if you need a pace maker, you could probly strap the automatic one on and carry it with you:P |
| [08:00:09] | Dagmar: | Some people just HAVE to play with fire extinguishers. |
| [08:00:52] | jblack: | Yeah. I bet a watch would make for an interesting appointment. |
| [08:00:54] | Dagmar: | They've put some in at our office, and a lot of the training basically amounts to them explaining in detail that the thing absolutely WON'T fire unless it detects specific heartbeat abberations it can fix. |
| [08:01:06] | Dagmar: | No heartbeat == Won't fire. |
| [08:01:26] | clever: | so if the heart is allready stoped, it wont do any good! |
| [08:01:39] | Dagmar: | If the heart has stopped, you are to *keep* doing CPR. |
| [08:01:50] | Dagmar: | ...for somewhat of a ghoulish reason. |
| [08:01:57] | clever: | id rather zap him once or twice first:P |
| [08:02:33] | Dagmar: | TV lies. |
| [08:02:52] | Dagmar: | Once the heart has stopped, doctors are in miracle territory and a simple defib box isn't going to cut it |
| [08:03:24] | clever: | so all the CPR is doing is keeping some blood flow while you wait for the micacle workers? |
| [08:03:32] | Dagmar: | Basically. |
| [08:03:41] | Dagmar: | Or, um, the harvesters. |
| [08:03:53] | clever: | yeah they can do either |
| [08:04:02] | clever: | 'oh, this guy is a register donar, lets give up' |
| [08:04:11] | clever: | 'we need a liver' |
| [08:04:12] | Dagmar: | Not for those reasons. |
| [08:04:21] | clever: | my dad jokes about that sometimes:P |
| [08:04:39] | clever: | finding a donor card in the waller and giving up |
| [08:04:43] | Dagmar: | If the doc can't work a bit of magic, the organs will still be closer to "just died" status, basically. |
| [08:04:53] | wagnerrp: | thats why with CPR, your no longer supposed to bother with breathing, the blood pumping is more important |
| [08:05:08] | Dagmar: | You can go for longer without breathing than you can without bloodflow. |
| [08:05:20] | clever: | ive seen 1 or 2 movies where they put patients into a coma on purpose to stick them into a organ warehouse |
| [08:05:28] | Dagmar: | Movies aren't real. |
| [08:05:36] | clever: | yeah, theres a small stockpile of oxygen in the blood itself |
| [08:05:49] | clever: | which is why your able to hold your breath for long ammounts of time |
| [08:05:53] | wagnerrp: | plus whatever is left in the lungs |
| [08:05:58] | clever: | yep |
| [08:06:07] | wagnerrp: | but once that CO2 hits about 15%, youre SOL |
| [08:06:08] | clever: | though the chest compressions may force the lungs flat |
| [08:06:16] | wagnerrp: | CO2 binds much more readily that O2 |
| [08:06:27] | clever: | yeah it disables the red cells |
| [08:06:50] | clever: | something i was wonder, would the blue blood cells(copper based) from certain fish be usable in a humman body? |
| [08:06:52] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt disable them, theyre doing exactly what theyre designed to do |
| [08:07:02] | wagnerrp: | the concentrations are just too high to allow diffusion |
| [08:07:12] | clever: | it binds to the red cells and stops them from ever working right again |
| [08:07:25] | clever: | co2 or co |
| [08:07:28] | clever: | (the worse one) |
| [08:07:56] | wagnerrp: | well its obviously not co2, considering your body produces that |
| [08:08:02] | wagnerrp: | although ive not heard that of co |
| [08:08:14] | jblack: | clever; i'm sure the t-cells would consider fish blood cells as foreign bodies. |
| [08:08:18] | clever: | theres a worse one, maybe its co3 thats made by certain fires |
| [08:08:30] | jblack: | CO3 ? |
| [08:08:31] | clever: | jblack: yeah, but if you could block the rejection, would they function normaly? |
| [08:08:46] | jblack: | Uhhh. I don't have a chemistry book handy, but isn't that impossible? |
| [08:08:56] | clever: | i forget what it was |
| [08:09:10] | jblack: | Carbon Monoxide? CO ? |
| [08:09:10] | clever: | but there was a carbon based gas that basicaly disabled the red blood cells |
| [08:09:17] | clever: | that might be it |
| [08:09:40] | wagnerrp: | carbon trioxide exists, although its rare and unstable |
| [08:09:56] | jblack: | Probably carbon monoxide. That would be very eager to bond. |
| [08:10:13] | jblack: | It would certainly break O2 apart to balance. |
| [08:10:14] | clever: | and probly lock itself permantly to the red blood cells |
| [08:11:32] | clever: | jblack: the reason those fish have a different blood cell for deep water, is because they absorb oxygen better then normal |
| [08:11:34] | jblack: | Damnit Jim, I'm a programmer and netadmin, not a Doctor! |
| [08:11:58] | clever: | im good at a wide varity of things |
| [08:12:04] | jblack: | I'm a pretty piss poor organic chemist too. |
| [08:12:08] | clever: | im fixing a bug in my frontend while having this convo:P |
| [08:12:46] | jblack: | well... compared to most of humanity, I'm a good organic chemist... but piss poor to anyone that's actually learned organic chemistry. =) |
| [08:13:16] | clever: | ive been thru grade 11 and most of 12 biology |
| [08:13:18] | wagnerrp: | CO does 'break' the hemoglobin in the blood, but the resultant molecule breaks down after a few hours |
| [08:13:40] | clever: | wagnerrp: but you could still die if only 5% of your blood is 'working' |
| [08:14:20] | jblack: | there's a video of a guy that instructs one how to commit suicide by CO poisoning. |
| [08:14:24] | wagnerrp: | you WILL die if thats the case |
| [08:14:29] | jblack: | If that's what you're after. |
| [08:14:32] | wagnerrp: | you need far more than that |
| [08:15:02] | clever: | the only way i can think of to bypass it is to breath pure oxygen |
| [08:15:14] | clever: | to get the most use posible out of the small 5% that works |
| [08:15:15] | jblack: | Here we go. Jerry hunt. http://www.jerryhunt.org/kill.htm |
| [08:16:01] | RoflCoptr: | morgenerguss |
| [08:16:02] | RoflCoptr: | ww |
| [08:16:08] | jblack: | It's not a video, but a transcript. "The cost of this gas was $102. This is at 1993 prices. It's a standard 2200 lbs. cylinder. It must be stored at temperatures below 125° F." is an typical example |
| [08:16:10] | wagnerrp: | breathing pure oxygen would make little difference, since the nitrogen does not bond |
| [08:16:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: it would depend on how much of the blood is still working |
| [08:17:12] | wagnerrp: | besides, better than 50% oxygen for extended periods is fatal |
| [08:17:44] | clever: | but it would atleast hold you over until you get to the hospital where they can start pumping in fresh blood |
| [08:18:31] | laga: | RoflCoptr: wtf. |
| [08:18:40] | laga: | RoflCoptr: go talk to your dad about that |
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| [08:36:48] | justinh: | wow. this puts my soldering skills to shame.. http://www.myopenrouter.com/imagelib/contenti . . . w580h580.jpg |
| [08:37:12] | justinh: | now if that was my page, I wouldn't have put that image on there. teh shame! |
| [08:39:03] | wagnerrp: | whats the proper link? |
| [08:39:13] | wagnerrp: | i get a 'page not found' |
| [08:39:59] | justinh: | here's the page: http://www.myopenrouter.com/article/10341/Rec . . . ole-Windows/ |
| [08:42:31] | laga: | yuck |
| [08:43:06] | mchou: | that router has the same specs as earlier versions of wrt54g |
| [08:43:10] | wagnerrp: | well he claims he didnt do the solder |
| [08:43:22] | justinh: | that isn't any kind of defence |
| [08:43:24] | laga: | yeah, i guess it was his torch |
| [08:43:54] | mchou: | I've seen worse |
| [08:44:19] | mchou: | that's actually not too bad, wrong gauge of wire is all |
| [08:44:32] | mchou: | no cold joints |
| [08:44:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there is far more wire than necessary |
| [08:44:43] | mchou: | no shorts |
| [08:44:52] | wagnerrp: | you should have seen when i tried to solder onto a PS3 controller |
| [08:44:56] | mchou: | and didnt overdo the heat |
| [08:45:05] | wagnerrp: | trying to rig the wireless controller to a GH guitar |
| [08:45:09] | wagnerrp: | wasnt pretty |
| [08:46:14] | mchou: | never liked netgear |
| [08:46:36] | wagnerrp: | were loaded up with their dumb switches at work |
| [08:46:42] | mchou: | crazy ac adapters |
| [08:46:59] | wagnerrp: | theyre decent, but every so often, they go wonky |
| [08:47:06] | wagnerrp: | and when one goes wonky, they all go wonky |
| [08:47:43] | mchou: | putting garbage on the wire causes that :) |
| [08:49:03] | justinh: | well, that's my glovebox DC power unit started :) |
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| [08:58:21] | toorima: | im trying to burn a dvd with a recording, and i've gotten to items selected for archive, but can't find the key to actually check the file so it gets encoded |
| [09:01:02] | laga: | OT: i'm trying to turn some mathematical formulas which i have on a piece of paper now into a PDF. is there a nice tool for linux which doesnt require me to learn latex? ;) |
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| [09:03:02] | t0ny-p40: | I'm playing a video with mythvideo and its pretty jerky. The cpu usage is pretty low and other videos of the same type play fine. Any ideas? |
| [09:04:26] | wagnerrp: | is this over the network? |
| [09:06:24] | laga: | ah, kformula. nice. |
| [09:07:00] | t0ny-p40: | wagnerrp, no right off the hard drive. |
| [09:07:57] | toorima: | my bad, permission error on mytharchive temp dir... *stands in corner in shame* |
| [09:11:00] | mchou: | laga: openoffice math works |
| [09:11:29] | mchou: | neverused kformula meself |
| [09:13:41] | mchou: | laga: more correctly, openoffice writer->insert->formula |
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| [09:37:28] | justinh: | OOO OOO OOO the telematics.org paper is out! now I have something to use incase I run out of toilet paper |
| [09:39:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, i dont think any document could be so bad as to make me want to wipe my ass with printer paper |
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| [09:50:46] | justinh: | something reminds me I once intended to oust that youtube mythtv 'promo' video with something of real substance |
| [09:55:57] | justinh: | hrm I take back what I said about that paper. quite illuminating about other projects, if what is said is actually true |
| [09:56:40] | justinh: | frinstance, Elisa no play or lip audio CDs .. call yourself a 'media center' ? :-O |
| [09:57:08] | wagnerrp: | lip? |
| [09:57:26] | justinh: | lip... copy the content of cd to conscooter |
| [10:01:48] | laga: | kformula makes me sad. |
| [10:01:52] | Huijari: | is it possible to change the video output in mythfrontend? (like -vo in mplayer) |
| [10:02:17] | justinh: | Huijari: video playback profiles ftw! |
| [10:02:18] | wagnerrp: | using the playback settings |
| [10:04:32] | justinh: | see the 'video rendering method' dropdown :) |
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| [10:07:35] | Huijari: | yeah, thanks |
| [10:09:10] | justinh: | due to driver bugs, opengl video rendering may not be reliable on some hardware |
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| [10:19:48] | laga: | hahaha. i just did a pdf export in the openoffice formula editor. it exported half of the actual formula and all of the code. |
| [10:19:52] | laga: | what a POS |
| [10:21:15] | justinh: | laga: do you use dvb subtitles at all? last night I noticed something quite cool – big white squares in the subtitle block before & after breaks on a lot of shows :) |
| [10:21:45] | laga: | nice |
| [10:21:48] | laga: | no, i dont use them |
| [10:22:05] | laga: | usually. i guess i would use them if i watched more movies with original language |
| [10:22:37] | justinh: | might post on the dev list to see if anyone fancies helping with some research |
| [10:22:58] | justinh: | see if it's UK specific and channel specific etc... |
| [10:23:13] | justinh: | seems to be on 2/3 of the ITV recordings I checked |
| [10:23:17] | laga: | well, collecting some data shouldnt be hard with a stream analyzer |
| [10:23:38] | justinh: | thing is, recognising the white block might be a bit tricky |
| [10:24:06] | justinh: | hrm wait a minute.. there are some dvb subtitle tools aren't there? |
| [10:24:26] | laga: | i guess the "white block" is just some char |
| [10:24:44] | justinh: | yeah but DVB subs, like DVD subs are just video |
| [10:25:49] | laga: | ah.. i thought it was just text |
| [10:27:13] | laga: | ah, it looks like you can have bitmap-based subtitles or character based |
| [10:27:36] | dustybin: | im getting this compile error using the latest svn 18320 http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2723 |
| [10:28:19] | justinh: | laga: dvb tends to be bitmap based only AFAIK |
| [10:32:12] | justinh: | oooo substream might be worth a look :) |
| [10:33:41] | Huijari: | damn |
| [10:34:19] | Huijari: | what is the most efficient video renderer for 720 x 576 video if dri is disabled? |
| [10:34:27] | justinh: | Xv |
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| [10:39:27] | justinh: | damn stinking java |
| [10:42:37] | justinh: | I still can't help thinking there's not some flag hidden in a packet somewhere we could use too |
| [10:43:42] | laga: | WHY |
| [10:43:51] | laga: | now i want to try lyx, which segfaults on me |
| [10:43:59] | laga: | why does god hate my homework so much? |
| [10:44:22] | Huijari: | xshm seems to be the only video renderer that works at all :o |
| [10:44:36] | Huijari: | but it's damn slow |
| [10:44:56] | justinh: | Huijari: ATI eh? |
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| [10:45:25] | Huijari: | justinh: intel i810 w/ dualhead |
| [10:45:29] | waxhead: | hi everyone |
| [10:46:05] | justinh: | Huijari: you should have Xv working then.. hell even opengl |
| [10:46:20] | justinh: | you might need to use the 'intel' driver rather than 'i810' |
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| [10:49:15] | Huijari: | justinh: okay, i'll try that |
| [10:49:26] | dustybin: | but remember, there are no interlace modes with the intel driver |
| [10:49:41] | justinh: | dustybin: like that really matters |
| [10:49:51] | dustybin: | it does with my setup |
| [10:49:59] | justinh: | people outputting to _real_ displays don't need interlaced modes :D |
| [10:50:05] | dustybin: | thats true |
| [10:50:20] | dustybin: | my CRT is a _real_ display thank you! |
| [10:50:37] | justinh: | real old :P |
| [10:50:40] | Huijari: | i have two lcd:s :( |
| [10:51:22] | justinh: | wow. decoding DVB subtitles is going to be much harder than I first thought |
| [10:51:51] | dustybin: | imagine BBC NEWS what is 720x576 resolution, on a display what is 32" and has a resolution of 1366 x 768 o_0 |
| [10:52:04] | dustybin: | pixelmania |
| [10:52:05] | justinh: | analogue sets have no resolution as such |
| [10:52:21] | justinh: | imagine not being able to see a damn thing dustybin says |
| [10:52:31] | dustybin: | :( |
| [10:52:40] | justinh: | now I no longer have to imagine :D |
| [10:54:06] | justinh: | imagine a display which when presented with two adjacent pixels of different colours mushes them into one :) |
| [10:54:40] | justinh: | seen a Sony 40" LCD for about £550 – comes with a 'free' xbox360 apparently |
| [10:54:52] | justinh: | might be worth a punt |
| [10:56:01] | justinh: | gets good reviews, too. might have to go & seek one out to meet it in person. see if I can take my laptop with some test material too :) |
| [10:58:25] | justinh: | hee hee how fickle I am. gradually turning. first considering a harmony remote, now thinking about LCD |
| [11:00:18] | ** laga waits for lyx to compile. ** | |
| [11:00:40] | laga: | i bought a core 2 duo. i expect it to be done immediately! |
| [11:01:35] | ** justinh wonders how many TVs with HDMI inputs can take analogue audio... ** | |
| [11:01:47] | justinh: | (alongside HDMI video I mean) |
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| [11:06:21] | justinh: | download & RTFM :) |
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| [11:21:21] | dustybin: | finding the perfect LCD was the biggest task ive ever come against, and in the end i gave up |
| [11:26:37] | ** quicksilver recommends beer ** | |
| [11:26:44] | quicksilver: | drink enough that yoru vision blurs slightly |
| [11:26:49] | quicksilver: | then you won't care about screen quality |
| [11:26:54] | quicksilver: | (beer is cheaper than a good screen, too) |
| [11:29:12] | justinh: | gah! fucking IT dept cut off my manual download |
| [11:29:17] | justinh: | 9MB |
| [11:34:30] | justinh: | yay it does have analogue audio input on one HDMI input :) |
| [11:35:34] | justinh: | 3 HDMI, 1 VGA, 2 SCART, 1 YUV.. plenty :) |
| [11:36:01] | justinh: | pity it only comes in shitty shiny black :( |
| [11:36:54] | justinh: | might also have to do some plea bargaining with SWMBO – so I have to go on hols with inlaws, for example. everything has a price |
| [11:37:45] | justinh: | single folks, folks with fuckbuddies & open relationships.. you lucky bastards |
| [11:38:47] | laga: | just make sure you dont pull a hans reiser |
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| [11:40:50] | laga: | justinh: btw, did you compile handbrake yourself? |
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| [11:44:22] | justinh: | laga: just found a package of handbrake-gtk IIRC |
| [11:44:27] | laga: | ah.+ |
| [11:44:40] | laga: | 'cause i couldn't compile it yesterday.. |
| [11:44:59] | laga: | k9copy segfaulted on me yesterday. but i have wine + some windows tool as a last resort :) |
| [11:45:15] | justinh: | or maybe I did build it myself, since most things in ubuntu don't support restricted formats |
| [11:45:39] | justinh: | I'll fire up my laptop & remind myself :) |
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| [11:47:37] | justinh: | must've been a package. I don't see a source dir in my home directory |
| [11:50:50] | laga: | ooh, 300 on premiere hd tonight. havent seen that one yet |
| [11:52:45] | quicksilver: | justinh: catch 22. You just spend the money you saved for the screen, on holiday flights with inlaws. Doh. |
| [11:53:02] | justinh: | quicksilver: I can afford both :) |
| [11:53:14] | laga: | then get a bigger screen. |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | plus apparently if we go, there's an offset of 2 days – so an extra 2 whole days without them |
| [11:55:04] | justinh: | laga: I don't think my living room is big enough for anything more than 40 or 42" anyway ;) |
| [11:55:17] | justinh: | besides I dunno if I can be arsed to make a 1080p theme |
| [11:57:07] | directhex: | or have enough gigarams |
| [11:58:03] | directhex: | hang on, sony tv with free xbox? O_o |
| [11:58:33] | rooaus: | was a free ps3 here |
| [12:00:00] | laga: | i'd take a free ps3 any day :) |
| [12:00:06] | waxhead: | lots of them too... |
| [12:00:24] | waxhead: | I think the samsung is a nicer TV over the sony |
| [12:00:34] | waxhead: | I like the series 6 LCD |
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| [12:07:37] | mzb_d800: | justinh: re glossy black, buy cheap matt-black spray can, spray onto lint-free cloth and wipe over box |
| [12:08:02] | mzb_d800: | (takes practice) |
| [12:09:01] | laga: | practice? on a 500 pounds tv? ;) |
| [12:11:32] | justinh: | oh wait.. not a free xbox. that was with a projector. I got confuzzled |
| [12:18:09] | quicksilver: | mzb_d800: I prefer to buy pritt-stick and several "fuzzy felt" sets. |
| [12:18:18] | quicksilver: | mzb_d800: attach green felt backing to all glossy black areas |
| [12:18:22] | quicksilver: | decorate with supplied figures |
| [12:18:25] | quicksilver: | circus is a favourite |
| [12:18:51] | mzb_d800: | practice == something you can't buy |
| [12:18:52] | ** laga blinks ** | |
| [12:19:27] | mzb_d800: | and if you have that much $ surely you can afford to buy whatever finish you want |
| [12:19:57] | mzb_d800: | just mentioning the method that some hackers have used in ancient days |
| [12:20:00] | justinh: | that's the thing with all these flat TVs. you can have any colour you want, as long as it's black |
| [12:20:13] | mzb_d800: | sounds vaguely familiar ;) |
| [12:20:58] | quicksilver: | justinh: have you seen this guy? http://www.datamancer.net/steampunklaptop/steampunklaptop.htm |
| [12:21:08] | quicksilver: | I bet he'd do something nice with a flat TV :) |
| [12:21:24] | justinh: | the point being.. you shouldn't effing have to :) |
| [12:22:21] | justinh: | word.. fail me |
| [12:23:02] | quicksilver: | not often that happens to justinh ;P |
| [12:24:23] | mzb_d800: | justinh: agreed, I'm talking about rejuvenation of old equipment ... comment probably out of context |
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| [12:28:05] | mzb_d800: | (considering age of peanut gallery;P) |
| [12:29:14] | justinh: | oh I didn't get you wrong mzb_d800 – just the mere fact anything non black is so damn rare is annoying |
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| [12:29:23] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:29:33] | justinh: | I could respray a set myself without too much of a problem |
| [12:29:41] | mzb_d800: | I'm sure |
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| [12:29:56] | justinh: | even without having any 'bits' left over ;) |
| [12:30:27] | mzb_d800: | I don't like the way silver wears much ... but I guess things have changed since the last millenium ;) |
| [12:30:57] | mzb_d800: | also harder to match silver for a respray :) |
| [12:31:07] | mzb_d800: | (s/wipe) |
| [12:31:10] | justinh: | well, on a TV casing wear & tear isn't really a concern ;) |
| [12:31:18] | mzb_d800: | power button? |
| [12:31:29] | justinh: | that's what remotes are for :) |
| [12:31:36] | mzb_d800: | oh .. modern technology ;) |
| [12:31:55] | mzb_d800: | (hoping you haven't lost the remote in the couch) |
| [12:32:09] | gbee: | wall socket ;) |
| [12:32:17] | mzb_d800: | heh ... true |
| [12:32:22] | justinh: | if we lose the remote, no way to control myth, the cable box, my cinema amp... |
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| [12:32:29] | mzb_d800: | errr |
| [12:32:43] | mzb_d800: | not going there ... point is moot anyway |
| [12:32:45] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [12:32:50] | justinh: | well, not without digging out the original remotes & a keyboard |
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| [12:33:13] | justinh: | apple remotes – I could understand one of them getting lost on a regular basis :P |
| [12:33:18] | mzb_d800: | s/my point/ |
| [12:35:44] | justinh: | ahh. looking at the sony website, seems black is not the only colour :) |
| [12:35:49] | justinh: | the tide is turning |
| [12:36:18] | mzb_d800: | iirc black was always the expensive option |
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| [12:36:37] | justinh: | cheap & nasty sets have been available in silver for ages |
| [12:36:52] | justinh: | decent ones.. black or black – at least that's all I've seen in shops |
| [12:37:01] | mzb_d800: | re sony => add 1% (ish) |
| [12:37:51] | mzb_d800: | Sony have offered black or silver in most of the products I've looked at in the last 30 years |
| [12:38:41] | mzb_d800: | (considering my small expenditure that doesn't mean much;) |
| [12:39:21] | justinh: | very little under £1000 in silver |
| [12:40:14] | mzb_d800: | wrong country? They charge extra for black here :) |
| [12:40:34] | mzb_d800: | time to see if my voice-controlled remote needs a recharge ... gnite all |
| [12:44:05] | justinh: | wow. 0.19W in standby |
| [12:44:36] | quicksilver: | 0.19 ? that sounds pretty good. |
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| [12:45:03] | justinh: | that must be like 5mA or something... they've done well to get it that low |
| [12:45:57] | justinh: | 120W in operation.. that's less than my 32" CRT IIRC |
| [12:46:12] | justinh: | take ages to pay for itself in that respect though :P |
| [12:46:31] | justinh: | well, maybe not with electricity costs going the way they are |
| [12:46:46] | mzb_d800: | heh ... and I'm happy getting an M10K down to 5% for mpeg2 playback ... gee I feel old ;) |
| [12:46:57] | ** mzb_d800 is in overtime ** | |
| [12:46:58] | justinh: | mzb_d800:you cured it? |
| [12:47:04] | mzb_d800: | I think so |
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| [12:47:17] | mzb_d800: | nice little box |
| [12:47:19] | justinh: | how? just out of curiosity |
| [12:47:29] | mzb_d800: | um |
| [12:47:54] | mzb_d800: | debian + mythtv src + xxmx + xine |
| [12:48:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:48:24] | justinh: | so it could be kernel, X or otherwise driver related. figures |
| [12:48:42] | mzb_d800: | have not compared to other kernels |
| [12:48:55] | mzb_d800: | using 2.6.26–486 (I think) |
| [12:49:05] | justinh: | I saved myself oodles of time by buying a new frontend anyway, so won't be kicking myself |
| [12:49:26] | mzb_d800: | not all of the mpeg2's are 5% |
| [12:49:31] | mzb_d800: | many are 15% |
| [12:49:38] | justinh: | even so ;) |
| [12:49:42] | justinh: | not bad going |
| [12:49:51] | mzb_d800: | SpiliopTV:~# uname -r |
| [12:49:51] | mzb_d800: | 2.6.26-1–486 |
| [12:50:11] | mzb_d800: | can even watch decent LiveTV |
| [12:50:26] | mzb_d800: | (combined FE+BE) |
| [12:50:52] | mzb_d800: | tuner == USB DVB-T tuner with rabbit ears |
| [12:51:06] | mzb_d800: | pushing it ... but possible |
| [12:51:11] | justinh: | well, got for you :) |
| [12:51:17] | justinh: | er// *good for you |
| [12:51:31] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... reasonably happy |
| [12:51:44] | justinh: | or rather good for 'him' |
| [12:51:48] | mzb_d800: | buyer has seen pre-release .. seems happy |
| [12:52:11] | zorglups: | I missed the name of the box (had to reboot my laptop). Which one is this ? |
| [12:52:24] | mzb_d800: | looking forward to replacing my p3–1000 with an M10K and see the difference |
| [12:52:38] | mzb_d800: | zorglups: EPIA M10000 |
| [12:52:53] | dustybin: | is it possible to launch the linux frame buffer mode from within a desktop environment? |
| [12:52:56] | mzb_d800: | playing SD mpeg2 |
| [12:53:29] | mzb_d800: | err... dustybin from X? |
| [12:53:45] | dustybin: | mzb_d800: basically im trying to get mame work in fb mode |
| [12:53:53] | dustybin: | and i keep on getting this error: |
| [12:53:54] | dustybin: | fb: Unsupported in X. |
| [12:54:23] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... not too sure, but you'd probably need to investigate DirectFB |
| [12:54:24] | dustybin: | if i can get mame working in fb mode i can select the correct clock frequencies with advance mame and everything should look silky smooth |
| [12:54:29] | zorglups: | I'm quite happy with an Intel D201GLY2. It is totally fanless. It is my BEFE. I play SD, encode Divx and record at the same time without problem. The only issue is that there is no hdmi output. |
| [12:54:42] | dustybin: | mzb_d800: ok thanks |
| [12:54:49] | gbee: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/18/telec . . . ction_farce/ |
| [12:54:53] | ** gbee chuckles ** | |
| [12:54:55] | laga: | bifi? |
| [12:55:32] | mzb_d800: | starting to sound .... it's getting late :| |
| [12:55:48] | dustybin: | i dont think the 'nvidia' driver is a frame buffer driver |
| [12:56:34] | ** mzb_d800 loves using asterisk extensions for intercoms ** | |
| [12:56:59] | laga: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/17/new_hitchhikers_novel/ – oh noes |
| [12:58:48] | mzb_d800: | dustybin: no ... I only tried DirectFB with a Matrox card ... got it working (mostly) ... but can't say I enjoyed the experience (or upgrades) |
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| [12:59:52] | mzb_d800: | also involved various hardware issues, but that's another problem |
| [13:00:24] | mzb_d800: | btw: does anyone here use MythPhone? |
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| [13:01:35] | mzb_d800: | I have my FE's setup as extensions in a ring group so that if someone calls I get callerID on my screen |
| [13:01:40] | mzb_d800: | anyone with great ideas or suggestions for improvements? |
| [13:01:59] | mzb_d800: | (FE's don't answer calls ... just announce) |
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| [13:02:35] | zorglups: | That a good idea... I will look into this... |
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| [13:03:34] | mzb_d800: | zorglups: current asterisk box is a p3–350 ... a bit slow for some things ... planning on using a EPIA V8000 instead |
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| [13:03:54] | mzb_d800: | (and changing trixbox for debian+asterisk) |
| [13:04:06] | zorglups: | mzb_d800: thanks |
| [13:04:44] | mzb_d800: | already have it built and installed on 1GB DOM flash ... just looking for suggestions of major changes before I switch over |
| [13:05:42] | mzb_d800: | zorglups: np... trixbox is easiest, debian+asterisk is a bit painful (but gives me what I want) ... *really cool* getting OSD for incoming calls on mythFE |
| [13:06:15] | mzb_d800: | (minor adjustments required to settings ... wiki is complete overkill) |
| [13:06:17] | mzb_d800: | oops |
| [13:06:38] | mzb_d800: | depends how you set it up I guess |
| [13:07:11] | zorglups: | mzb_d800: Actually I never played with Asterix but getting a notification of an incomming call on the screen is something I would like to try. |
| [13:07:36] | mzb_d800: | bottom line is that if you're watching something, you don't (necessarily) have to look away from the screen (to check callerID) when the phone rings |
| [13:07:38] | mzb_d800: | :))) |
| [13:08:02] | mzb_d800: | you *must* have callerID for it to work |
| [13:08:19] | mzb_d800: | (costs extra in .au ... normally) |
| [13:09:19] | mzb_d800: | but the extra $6/mth is worth it imo ... telemarketing has dropped 99.9% since introducing "Privacy Manager" |
| [13:09:40] | mzb_d800: | (no callerID == "Enter your phone number" ... etc) |
| [13:10:26] | mzb_d800: | add the callerID OSD with mythtv solves the "Friend ... but too late or don't feel like talking right now" issue |
| [13:10:32] | zorglups: | mzb_d800: I do have callerID since I see the number on the phone. Which kind of device makes the bridge between my analog phone line and Asterix. Just a lazy question so feel free to trow me to the wiki, faq, forums,... |
| [13:10:55] | mzb_d800: | I bought a cheap SPA3000 on eBay |
| [13:11:24] | mzb_d800: | afaik that's the cheapest way for POTS ... pita to setup ... but more than capable |
| [13:12:08] | mzb_d800: | after buying a few SPA2000's ... I then bought 6 in a bulk lot (stupidly cheap) ... and now giving them away as presents to relatives |
| [13:12:30] | mzb_d800: | (sorry about the slightly OT guys+girls) |
| [13:12:47] | mzb_d800: | ps: every box I've bought needed to be unlocked |
| [13:13:31] | mzb_d800: | got to the stage now where I can type the mac address in from the box, plug it in, and it's MINE!! moohaahaarrrgh! ;) |
| [13:13:47] | mzb_d800: | but that's another story |
| [13:14:30] | mzb_d800: | (ps: add a DECT cordless to each port and you get WAF+++ eventually;))) |
| [13:14:51] | mzb_d800: | anyway ... my point is the mythtv OSD |
| [13:15:07] | mzb_d800: | *very* handy ... possibly poorly documented |
| [13:15:23] | mzb_d800: | wondering how many others use it? and what for? |
| [13:15:36] | mzb_d800: | s/mythtv OSD/mythphone OSD/ |
| [13:15:59] | mzb_d800: | I'm guessing there could be heaps of possibilities |
| [13:16:27] | mzb_d800: | "Your steak is cooked, Sir" !! |
| [13:16:57] | mzb_d800: | "Dickhead detected at the front door" |
| [13:17:50] | mzb_d800: | "${WOMAN} has just stolen the last frozen TimTam out of the fridge" |
| [13:18:15] | mzb_d800: | you know ... all the things that make life even easier ;) |
| [13:18:53] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... I've almost filled a page with dribble ... I'd better give up ... considering lack of response |
| [13:19:03] | mzb_d800: | (but thanks to zorglups ;) |
| [13:19:26] | ** mzb_d800 get's incoming intercom call ** | |
| [13:20:07] | mzb_d800: | looks like I have an appointment in another room that will save you all |
| [13:20:11] | mzb_d800: | gnite! |
| [13:21:24] | mzb_d800: | and yes, the appointment involves watching a mythtv recording! :)) |
| [13:22:12] | zorglups: | I played with popups. It is easy to make a script send a popup to the OSP |
| [13:22:23] | mzb_d800: | cough |
| [13:22:24] | zorglups: | but it will only be seen in LiveTV |
| [13:22:30] | ** mzb_d800 still rolling ** | |
| [13:22:42] | zorglups: | I mean it will not be seen if you are in the main menu |
| [13:22:58] | zorglups: | So "Your steak is cooked, Sir" is all possible |
| [13:23:18] | mzb_d800: | I have an OSD for controlling random-play music videos |
| [13:23:32] | mzb_d800: | (bash script) |
| [13:24:01] | mzb_d800: | stupidly simple |
| [13:24:33] | mzb_d800: | not sure if I published it .. but pastebin link should be in logs |
| [13:25:28] | mzb_d800: | add to that: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cutting_Music_Videos |
| [13:25:50] | mzb_d800: | (I do occasionally document stories;) |
| [13:27:03] | mzb_d800: | let me know later if you can't find it ... I'll see what I can do (real hack that it is) |
| [13:27:38] | zorglups: | Thanks for the info... |
| [13:27:48] | mzb_d800: | np ... gnite |
| [13:27:57] | ** mzb_d800 walks ** | |
| [13:29:56] | zorglups: | I checked the SPA3000. |
| [13:29:56] | zorglups: | Isn't there something cheaper just to get the caller id ? |
| [13:30:17] | zorglups: | I might try a modem... |
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| [13:51:46] | gbee: | could just pick up the phone and ask who's calling ... |
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| [13:53:03] | SHADOW__X: | but people lie |
| [13:55:05] | GreyFoxx: | and callerid's can be faked :) |
| [13:55:44] | laga: | hum |
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| [13:55:54] | laga: | who calls you? i mean, do people in here have friends? |
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| [14:07:38] | SHADOW__X: | laga: one way or another |
| [14:08:59] | movedx_: | So, what's MythTV's support for Sky and NTL/Virgin like? |
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| [14:12:23] | SHADOW__X: | i have a question i am currently setting up 2 mythtv backends one has most of the tuners and the other one is in another location 20 miles away with a tuner |
| [14:13:19] | gbee: | movedx_: PVR-150, IR Blaster, XMLTV |
| [14:13:24] | SHADOW__X: | i want to bring the recordings the the main one which is 1 to 2 but with bringing the mysql info to 2 will it retrain all the info |
| [14:13:33] | SHADOW__X: | of the recordings currently on 2 |
| [14:14:48] | SHADOW__X: | does that make any sense? |
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| [14:31:37] | justinh: | nobody ever rings me on my landline other than parents or inlaws |
| [14:31:46] | justinh: | so I know not to answer it |
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| [14:33:43] | ** gbee hangs up ** | |
| [14:34:15] | SHADOW__X: | or get rid of the landline? |
| [14:34:38] | justinh: | I hate mobiles |
| [14:34:43] | quicksilver: | laga: I have loads of friends. They all want to sell me double glazing :-/ |
| [14:34:44] | justinh: | I keep mine switched off most of the time |
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| [14:35:39] | justinh: | quicksilver: www.tps.org.uk IIRC :) |
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| [14:47:37] | justinh: | heheh this sarah palin email debacle is funny |
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| [14:48:00] | laga: | i'm so sick of the US elections |
| [14:48:12] | laga: | i'm also sick of untangling 30m of cat5 |
| [14:48:27] | justinh: | combine both thos things |
| [14:48:47] | justinh: | decide the election on which end you untangle first |
| [14:48:55] | gbee: | strangling US Politcos with cat5? |
| [14:48:59] | laga: | the ends are already untangled |
| [14:49:14] | movedx_: | gbee: All that means nothing to me. |
| [14:49:30] | justinh: | well, they need something tying in a knot ;) |
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| [14:49:45] | movedx_: | gbee: My Linux Format mag is covering MythTV this month, so I'll read that and see if it brings me up to speed. |
| [14:49:48] | gbee: | laga: well then I'm sorry, the US has a two party system, they call it democracy (heh) |
| [14:50:02] | laga: | hah |
| [14:50:28] | justinh: | movedx_: I wouldn't bet my house on it |
| [14:51:01] | justinh: | the last linux mag article I saw about mythtv said – quote : "surf the web while you watch TV with mythtv" |
| [14:51:31] | movedx_: | I never said it was going to cover the source code behind MythTV :) |
| [14:51:32] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [14:51:41] | movedx_: | It will at least introduce it to me. |
| [14:51:48] | sid3windr: | you can use your laptop to surf the web while watching tv on your frontend, no, justinh ? =p |
| [14:52:04] | laga: | heh.. i'm picking up a dlink AP |
| [14:52:10] | laga: | with WEP encryption :( |
| [14:52:13] | sid3windr: | put it down! |
| [14:52:18] | justinh: | they also never said it'd contain 100% accuracy but I sort of expected some |
| [14:52:19] | laga: | sid3windr: gah. |
| [14:53:24] | SHADOW__X: | no wep |
| [14:53:37] | SHADOW__X: | if you use wep might as well hand out thumbdrives with data |
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| [14:54:55] | justinh: | heh I just earned myself a curry, changing the MAC ID of somebody's NIC for them |
| [14:59:07] | justinh: | funny that when something interesting crops up, it's not work-related :) |
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| [15:21:54] | justinh: | why wasn't linux format magazine called mk2fs ? |
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| [15:29:16] | justinh: | damn. the guy on the cover of that linux mag had the ideal opportunity to squish tux & is he doing that? NO :( |
| [15:30:02] | justinh: | laga: you'll be pleased. it's mythbuntu they're covering |
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| [15:30:24] | sid3windr: | lol justinh |
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| [15:38:12] | gbee: | justinh: the quote below that on the cover is priceless |
| [15:39:24] | justinh: | the one about Cairo? |
| [15:39:27] | gbee: | I only get out of bed in the morning because of Cairo |
| [15:40:16] | justinh: | they have got to be making this stuff up: "A freelance scientist subjects Linux to the most exacting usability test yet devised: his girlfriend" |
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| [15:41:03] | directhex: | freelance scientist aka stoner |
| [15:41:18] | gbee: | heh, aye |
| [15:43:18] | justinh: | thought it was aaron seigo at first |
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| [15:44:05] | sphery: | rage__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . fering_pause |
| [15:45:09] | iamlindoro_: | newsflash: Linux still hard for average user |
| [15:45:13] | iamlindoro_: | news at fucking 11 |
| [15:45:48] | justinh: | good tip for aspiring rip-off merchants btw.. sell a client a copy of your bespoke software, but hard-code it to one machine. then when client approaches you for another copy because the box it was originally installed on has died, try to charge him for another copy |
| [15:45:59] | iamlindoro_: | note also that if we're allowed to be "freelance $jobtitle" I choose porn star |
| [15:46:14] | sphery: | rage__: Though, from your description, it sounds like it should be a new case added to that page--Assumptions: ext3 or other filesystem known to have resource-intensive deletes, Symptoms: happens during LiveTV or when deleting recordings, Fix: enable "Delete files slowly" in mythtv-setup General settings |
| [15:46:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: that's funny cos I always write "retired fluffer" |
| [15:46:37] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: hehe |
| [15:46:45] | sphery: | rage__: If that fixes it, I expect to see the new case added to the wiki page... :) |
| [15:47:23] | justinh: | newsflash – making an ext3-laden system iobound causes playback to be judderry :-O |
| [15:47:45] | sphery: | :) |
| [15:48:16] | sphery: | Heh. Seems that ":)" isn't an editor command in vim |
| [15:48:27] | iamlindoro_: | Woohooooooo, RAID rebuild OVAR |
| [15:48:28] | sphery: | (was in the wrong window first time I typed it) |
| [15:48:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: how many hours? |
| [15:49:00] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: about 48 |
| [15:49:06] | iamlindoro_: | crept down from 80 so I'm happy |
| [15:49:11] | justinh: | "mastering GIMP selection".. interesting choice of words there |
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| [15:50:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: much better than 80 |
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| [15:51:05] | iamlindoro_: | go go gadget xfs_growfs! |
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| [15:51:23] | iamlindoro_: | I'm always amazed at how fast filesystem operations are on XFS |
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| [15:53:36] | justinh: | don't spose anyone here has ever played with decoding DVB subtitles... |
| [15:55:09] | justinh: | actually it'd be well worth my while learning how to turn them into text, cos I know of somebody who wants a box that archives em |
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| [15:55:36] | gbee: | bah, so I defragged an XFS partition two weeks ago and it's already back to 98.58% fragmented |
| [15:56:01] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-124487.html |
| [15:56:12] | justinh: | ruh? ffmpeg can allegedly convert em to dvd subs |
| [15:56:19] | gbee: | justinh: should OCR well |
| [15:56:44] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: stupid windows using c***s |
| [15:56:50] | iamlindoro_: | having used subrip, the first few frames of Subs can be awful, but once you give it some input it gets pretty good |
| [15:56:50] | gbee: | justinh: not hard, they are both image based, just a case of changing the formats |
| [15:57:18] | justinh: | needs to be linux, hackable & easy |
| [15:57:19] | AndyCap: | since nobody could agree on anything using text. :> |
| [15:57:27] | justinh: | FYI I |
| [15:57:37] | justinh: | I aint looking for text initially ;) |
| [15:58:04] | iamlindoro_: | subrip will run in wine, but it's still a pretty manual process to tune the OCR |
| [15:58:14] | justinh: | no tuning needed |
| [15:58:28] | justinh: | looking for a full white rectangle |
| [15:58:35] | justinh: | one char wide, full height |
| [15:59:47] | gbee: | OCR'ing DVB subtitles in the UK shouldn't require any tuning, they use the same font throughout, it's very clear and would be OCR friendly |
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| [16:00:34] | justinh: | initially I can just make a script to do it, work out the time indexes & use those as cutpoints :) |
| [16:00:48] | justinh: | then give that to somebody who can code |
| [16:00:57] | justinh: | a user job is a good start |
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| [16:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | actual 73571, ideal 73298, fragmentation factor 0.37% |
| [16:06:26] | iamlindoro_: | Hee hee |
| [16:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | <--- feels a little like clever all the sudden |
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| [16:06:53] | ** iamlindoro_ showers to try to take the dirty feeling away ** | |
| [16:07:00] | iamlindoro_: | That's.... the bad thing |
| [16:07:50] | justinh: | hahaha this takes me back: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/ |
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| [16:09:45] | justinh: | can something like dvbsnoop work on a recording? |
| [16:10:15] | justinh: | maybe... maybe .... |
| [16:10:27] | iamlindoro_: | I think it will take a file input |
| [16:10:38] | justinh: | oh yes |
| [16:10:43] | gbee: | not seen that howto in a long time |
| [16:10:54] | iamlindoro_: | dvbsnoop -if somefile I think |
| [16:11:21] | ** gbee moans about outdated guides being left up ** | |
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| [16:13:26] | justinh: | anybody know off the top of their head what a dvb subtitle identifier is? |
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| [16:29:31] | abqjp: | Anandtech talking about HDMI audio: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3411 |
| [16:33:28] | justinh: | wtf? there's afcking plain text in the afcking mpeg stream I'm picking apart with dvbsnoop |
| [16:34:02] | sid3windr: | what does it say? |
| [16:34:07] | sid3windr: | HELO SNIFF0R |
| [16:34:09] | justinh: | tEXtSoftware.Adobe ImageReady |
| [16:34:17] | sid3windr: | ehh |
| [16:34:50] | justinh: | hardly a random occurrence |
| [16:34:52] | gbee: | could be worse, could say "Hello Neo ..." |
| [16:35:33] | sid3windr: | yea, thats what I was thinking but it was too hard to get it to my keyboard :x |
| [16:35:38] | gbee: | press the blue button |
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| [16:36:19] | justinh: | yeah. WHOAH! If you take the 1st octet of every first packet of pid 0x430, strip the lower 4 bits & turn them around... it tells you how to install mythtv on a tivo! |
| [16:37:21] | justinh: | that string comes up quite regularly |
| [16:39:43] | justinh: | unless there are mheg fragments in there on that PID, or the filtering in dvbsboop is arse – just realised it could be bits of file headers from mheg jpegs |
| [16:40:11] | gbee: | that's pretty likely |
| [16:40:29] | justinh: | is mheg just splatterred all over the show? |
| [16:41:05] | justinh: | I |
| [16:41:19] | justinh: | I'm also seeing table info stuff on here.. methinks the filtering is ass |
| [16:41:22] | gbee: | which pid? I don't think it's all over the place, but it might be spread across more than one |
| [16:42:29] | justinh: | WTF? there's VBI data in here too according to dvbsnoop |
| [16:42:44] | justinh: | now that is something we aint officially got |
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| [16:44:00] | justinh: | gbee: PID is 0x406 |
| [16:44:28] | justinh: | shit – since when was ITV1 704x576 ? |
| [16:46:21] | gbee: | no idea, http://dtt.me.uk/ |
| [16:50:29] | justinh: | ruh? cell_list_descriptor stuff – with lat & long for a list of cells... W T H ? |
| [16:51:14] | justinh: | uhoh.. methinks it is too late to save me. I have been lured into looking at raw DVB data. there's no telling what will happen |
| [16:51:33] | laga: | justinh: yeah. i think i even talked to the linuxmag guy. i need to send him my address so i get a free issue |
| [16:53:17] | justinh: | heheh seeing tvanytime data too :) |
| [16:53:24] | justinh: | Running_status: 2 (0x02) [= starts in a few seconds (e.g. for VCR)] |
| [16:53:44] | justinh: | f. me this is interesting |
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| [16:56:48] | justinh: | if this means what I think it means... Running_status: 3 (0x03) [= pausing] |
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| [16:57:10] | justinh: | no 'kin way! |
| [16:59:09] | justinh: | why skip ads, if the TVA data can just have mythtv pause til the break is over :P |
| [16:59:38] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [16:59:40] | justinh: | nah, that can't possibly mean what I think it means |
| [16:59:50] | kormoc: | if it just pauses, when you play, it'll still play the ads, no? |
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| [17:00:41] | justinh: | no I mean, if the TVAnytime data changes its running status to 0x03, stop recording for a bit ;) |
| [17:00:56] | justinh: | it can't be that fscking simple though – I must've got my wires crossed |
| [17:01:07] | kormoc: | Ahh, wow |
| [17:01:16] | kormoc: | worth attempting! |
| [17:01:24] | justinh: | running_status can't be to do with that |
| [17:01:40] | justinh: | and if it is, why the hell hasn't anybody else picked up on it? |
| [17:02:02] | ** justinh wonders if stuarta is around ** | |
| [17:02:57] | kormoc: | justinh, dvbsnoop says 0x03 is 'running program is paused' |
| [17:03:02] | kormoc: | seems solid |
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| [17:10:13] | Dibblah: | Is it a bad sign that I trust xfs_check so much that I'm backing up data from a known-corrupt volume before running it? :) |
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| [17:14:26] | kormoc: | Dibblah, that's the first step towards being a decent SA |
| [17:14:30] | kormoc: | never trust your tools |
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| [17:14:41] | kormoc: | always be able to reverse what they might do |
| [17:15:24] | kormoc: | Dibblah, before I run filesystem recovery, I dd into a image file and recover from copies of that, so I can always revert back to the orig if I screw up |
| [17:15:39] | clever: | this is where lvm can come in handy |
| [17:15:48] | clever: | you could snapshot the system before you recover |
| [17:16:08] | kormoc: | if the file system is corrupt, I don't trust lvm and more then anything else |
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| [17:16:10] | clever: | inteast of a total copy, it would make the whole system copy on write |
| [17:16:21] | kormoc: | for all I know, lvm is the reason why it's corrupt |
| [17:16:25] | ** laga yells at xine ** | |
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| [17:16:54] | clever: | the only problem ive had with snapshots |
| [17:17:03] | clever: | duplicate uniq user id's(uuid's) |
| [17:17:12] | clever: | which caused the wrong copy to get mounted |
| [17:17:36] | kormoc: | uuid isn't unique user id, it's unique universal id |
| [17:17:42] | kormoc: | and only you would have duplicate uuids |
| [17:17:42] | laga: | i guess they're not unique then ;) |
| [17:17:45] | ** kormoc shakes his head ** | |
| [17:17:55] | kormoc: | or universally unique id |
| [17:18:00] | clever: | the id is duplicate because i made a whole clone of the block device |
| [17:18:13] | clever: | which shares all the blocks with the original in copy on write |
| [17:18:27] | laga: | anyone care to share their xine config? i'm looking for a nice postprocessing setup |
| [17:18:34] | kormoc: | clever, we don't need you to lecture |
| [17:18:42] | clever: | i had to tweak grub and fstab to fix it |
| [17:18:57] | Dibblah: | Oh, not again. |
| [17:19:06] | Dibblah: | Machine has 4Gb of RAM. |
| [17:19:23] | clever: | that aint good:P |
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| [17:19:56] | Dibblah: | And thanks to xfs_check, is now 2Gb into 2Gb of swap. |
| [17:19:57] | Dibblah: | I bloody well thought they fixed that! |
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| [17:26:59] | Dibblah: | Well, so far dmesg has taken 5 minutes, and is only just starting. |
| [17:27:26] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:27:59] | clever: | yes oom stalls are painfull |
| [17:28:43] | esperegu: | how can I change a picture of a specific program that is going to be recorded? |
| [17:29:01] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you can usually solve your woes by throwing more money at the problem |
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| [17:51:41] | laga: | hum. why do i get so much motion blur in xine, even with this greedy2frame deinterlacer? |
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| [17:54:03] | sphery: | esperegu: Picture of a program that is going to be recorded? There are no pictures. Just title/subtitle/description, etc. |
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| [17:55:40] | sphery: | esperegu: /after/ it's recorded, Myth makes a preview pixmap by grabbing one of the frames. You can adjust which one with the (completely useless) setting, "Time offset for thumbnail preview images". Or, you can enable, "Generate preview image from a bookmark if possible", and set a bookmark on the frame you want to use |
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| [18:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | or simply clear out your recordings and archive them in MythVideo, then you can use any picture you like like a poster for the show |
| [18:17:01] | iamlindoro_: | or, if only someone would write scripts to auto-generate all that kind of stuff |
| [18:17:04] | iamlindoro_: | ah, pipe dreams |
| [18:17:31] | ** iamlindoro_ shakes his fist at the folks with twelve quadrillion recordings sitting in Watch Recordings forever ** | |
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| [18:31:58] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: i got a sci atl D9850 today, it kicks ass |
| [18:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | Unless it runs mythTV, stop talking to me |
| [18:32:26] | laga: | lol |
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| [18:36:40] | toorima: | is imdb.pl working properly right now? I don't get user ratings anymore and can't find anything about it |
| [18:36:56] | toorima: | compared with svn imdb.pl and rating is the same |
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| [18:45:35] | Anduin: | toorima: looks like a page format change, change line 194 to look for "blah:</h5>" instead of "blah:</b>" |
| [18:46:25] | toorima: | Anduin: k i'll try that, thx |
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| [19:51:53] | dustybin: | what a mission, i been trying to get xmame.svgalib work in the svgalib frame buffer mode |
| [19:51:57] | dustybin: | no luck so far |
| [19:55:13] | jduggan_: | thats not a mission |
| [19:55:16] | jduggan_: | i have mission impossible |
| [19:55:18] | jduggan_: | =o |
| [19:55:23] | jduggan_: | literally |
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| [20:21:46] | calman_: | hey, i think i need help understanding a few things...i followed the wiki for my ati hdtv wonder and mythtv is not picking any channels up |
| [20:22:27] | calman_: | should i be scanning quam256 channels? i'm using this card to pick up analog channels from road runner / bright house. it's replacing my cable box...but the instructions on the wiki say to scan for terrestrial channels |
| [20:22:46] | cesman: | that is for OTA |
| [20:22:54] | cesman: | yes, QAM256 for cable |
| [20:22:57] | cesman: | good luck! |
| [20:23:14] | calman_: | lol |
| [20:23:19] | calman_: | yeah well it crashes |
| [20:23:25] | justinh: | QAM is digital innit |
| [20:23:29] | calman_: | right |
| [20:23:37] | calman_: | but when i choose quam it crashes |
| [20:23:48] | justinh: | so why try to pick up analogue channels on your cable? |
| [20:24:13] | calman_: | cause i don't have an hdtv..i might get one later so that's why i got an hd card...although now i regret it.. ati just sucks for oss |
| [20:25:15] | Kazan: | you bought an ATI tuner? |
| [20:25:17] | Kazan: | *facepalm* |
| [20:25:20] | cesman: | the card is supported |
| [20:25:23] | Kazan: | their video cards are decent gaming cards |
| [20:25:26] | Kazan: | O'RLY? |
| [20:25:29] | calman_: | yeah it is |
| [20:25:36] | Kazan: | got the firmware installed so it's loading up |
| [20:25:45] | cesman: | _however_ getting QAM isn't 100% gaurantee |
| [20:25:53] | Kazan: | eww |
| [20:25:56] | Kazan: | so it's an unstable driver |
| [20:25:59] | cesman: | you _are_ at the mecry of your cable company |
| [20:26:04] | calman_: | gahhh |
| [20:26:14] | calman_: | so it's not cause of the card that i can't get all channels? |
| [20:26:18] | calman_: | assuming i even get 1 |
| [20:26:30] | Kazan: | yes that too |
| [20:26:30] | cesman: | you _are_ at the mercy of your cable company |
| [20:26:38] | Kazan: | cable companies are notorious bastards who need to go off themselves |
| [20:27:00] | Kazan: | some cable companies don't even like leaving channels they're legally required to retransmit in clear QAM unencrypted and have to be threatened |
| [20:27:32] | calman_: | maybe in 50 years everyone will be nice to oss |
| [20:28:22] | Kazan: | it's not OSS |
| [20:28:34] | Kazan: | it's all devices that you aren't renting from the cable cartels that they want to close out |
| [20:28:50] | Kazan: | because those devices *gasp* might not listen to their legally dubious DRM desires |
| [20:29:01] | Kazan: | and they might let you skip comercials |
| [20:29:14] | Kazan: | and other evil things that nobody should ever be allowed to do |
| [20:29:16] | calman_: | i just wish everyone would follow simple standards to avoid confusion |
| [20:29:25] | Kazan: | you want to move to europe |
| [20:29:30] | Kazan: | and be on DVB :P |
| [20:29:31] | calman_: | do i? |
| [20:29:34] | calman_: | maybe i will |
| [20:29:46] | calman_: | or get a really long cable and stretch it from there to here |
| [20:35:00] | mchou: | Kazan: which cabeco/locale is this? |
| [20:35:09] | mchou: | cableco* |
| [20:36:31] | mchou: | Kazan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor |
| [20:37:53] | mchou: | Kazan: believe it or not most cablecos who dont transmit required channels in the clear are probably befuddled by incompetence rather than malice |
| [20:38:48] | mchou: | i.e. some operators dont know how to turn off encryption only for certain channels |
| [20:39:22] | mchou: | If you push on them hard enough I'm sure they'll learn quickly |
| [20:41:07] | mchou: | especially if you send them the applicable citations from US Federal law :) |
| [20:46:05] | dustybin: | I got mame svgalib working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was a case of putting in a shit load of modelines inside /etc/vga/libvga.conf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [20:46:15] | dustybin: | FRAME BUFFER FTW |
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| [20:57:33] | ** iamlindoro_ adds "Frame buffer FTW" alongside "SDTV FTW" and "This HP is awesome" in his new book, "A children's treasury of stupid things said by dustybin." ** | |
| [20:59:46] | directhex: | i think time just passes backwards for dustybin |
| [20:59:57] | directhex: | he's gonna start raving about black & white tv soon |
| [21:00:31] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeeee, it's the Ecstasy |
| [21:04:20] | iamlindoro_: | Or he's a living copy of "Braid" being played very badly |
| [21:04:54] | directhex: | like most copies of braid, then? |
| [21:05:26] | iamlindoro_: | I thought it was a fun little platformer |
| [21:05:59] | iamlindoro_: | I've probably spent more on stuff like that in the last year than on blockbuster 360 titles |
| [21:06:15] | iamlindoro_: | (and generally been more satisfied) |
| [21:06:35] | directhex: | i BUY things on wiivc and live, but never seem to PLAY them |
| [21:07:24] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think I'll buy anything until Fable/Dead Space Now |
| [21:07:33] | directhex: | dunno about fable |
| [21:07:41] | directhex: | dead space is on my list |
| [21:07:49] | directhex: | gears 2? |
| [21:07:52] | directhex: | prince of persia? |
| [21:07:58] | iamlindoro_: | That's a "maybe" |
| [21:08:01] | wagnerrp: | gears 2 on the wii? |
| [21:08:02] | iamlindoro_: | POP for sure |
| [21:08:16] | wagnerrp: | i assume this is not gears of war |
| [21:08:29] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [21:08:31] | iamlindoro_: | GoW |
| [21:08:35] | justinh: | glxgears ftw! |
| [21:09:04] | wagnerrp: | those spinning gears are awesome |
| [21:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | I need MOAR Bioshock, but that's a long ways off |
| [21:09:59] | iamlindoro_: | OH, and Fallout 3, of freakin course |
| [21:10:33] | directhex: | i never got into fallout, but i think bethesda have the Right Stuff in their modern titles |
| [21:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | I lurved the original two, such fun |
| [21:11:43] | wagnerrp: | interesting that they gave you the option of playing it as a FPS or not |
| [21:11:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive ever seen that before |
| [21:12:08] | directhex: | what else is on my release radar? |
| [21:12:27] | directhex: | where's that list of things to buy if i sell one of the wife's kidneys... |
| [21:14:52] | directhex: | mirror's edge. |
| [21:14:57] | directhex: | left 4 dead. |
| [21:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, both look good to me |
| [21:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | especially the former |
| [21:15:26] | wagnerrp: | is mirrors edge the one they demo with you free running? |
| [21:15:34] | iamlindoro_: | Am actually playing SW TFU right now, it's pretty fun so far |
| [21:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: yeah |
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| [21:15:51] | iamlindoro_: | You can go the whole game without shooting, apparently |
| [21:15:57] | iamlindoro_: | just free running and hand to hand combat |
| [21:16:15] | directhex: | mirror's edge is a linear version of assassins creed without the assasin bit ;) |
| [21:16:39] | directhex: | far cry 2? silent hill 5? |
| [21:16:44] | iamlindoro_: | meh |
| [21:16:47] | wagnerrp: | ive heard their running is a fair bit more refined |
| [21:16:56] | wagnerrp: | AC had... difficulties |
| [21:16:56] | directhex: | guitar hero 4? |
| [21:17:03] | iamlindoro_: | not for m |
| [21:17:04] | iamlindoro_: | e |
| [21:17:20] | directhex: | banjo kazooie nuts & bolts! |
| [21:17:22] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of guitar hero 4 |
| [21:17:34] | wagnerrp: | its like the yearly maddens |
| [21:17:44] | wagnerrp: | and extra $60 just for new player stats |
| [21:18:10] | directhex: | wagnerrp, GH4 is a rock band clone. i.e. all the instruments |
| [21:18:17] | directhex: | as opposed to GH3- which are geetar only |
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| [21:20:02] | wagnerrp: | so its no longer about being a guitar hero |
| [21:21:59] | directhex: | indeed |
| [21:22:19] | directhex: | there are 3 full band franchises now – guitar hero, rock band, and rock revolution |
| [21:22:35] | wagnerrp: | what was the original arcade one? |
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| [21:22:52] | directhex: | guitar freaks iirc. from konami, the same people behind rock revolution |
| [21:23:04] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [21:52:47] | abarbaccia1: | anyone have sync issues when playing back mkv files? the audio always falls behind about 30min into the playback |
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| [22:01:51] | wesw02: | I have about 17G of liveTV records and schuduled recordings that have .old at the end of the filename, these files are not in the recorded table, should I remove them from the file system? |
| [22:02:19] | wesw02: | (I recently had to restore my database from backup) |
| [22:02:24] | kormoc: | why not? |
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| [22:02:48] | wesw02: | I guess i'm just asking if there is another table that these files would be in |
| [22:03:03] | wesw02: | I just want to make sure mythtv doesn't know about them before I go deleting them |
| [22:06:19] | kormoc: | recorded should do it, but might want to check oldrecorded as well and remove any that are in there so they'll re-record |
| [22:07:09] | wesw02: | ah good idea |
| [22:07:10] | wesw02: | thanks! |
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| [22:17:11] | hadees: | anyone use the tvrage scripts with mythtv? |
| [22:17:16] | hadees: | well mythvideo |
| [22:17:31] | wagnerrp: | a modified version, yes |
| [22:17:32] | Anduin: | wesw02: .old files are created if you have the transcode setting set to keep the original |
| [22:19:41] | abarbaccia1: | anyone using the updated grabber script for mythvideo and imdb? it seems like its pulling a low res copy of the cover image... |
| [22:20:26] | Anduin: | abarbaccia1: run it with -P, the first URL is the one used |
| [22:21:17] | abarbaccia1: | Anduin: what does the -P argument do exactly? |
| [22:21:39] | Anduin: | abarbaccia1: takes an id and returns a list or URLs, P is for Poster |
| [22:22:07] | hadees: | anyone use the xscreensaver xanalogtv? i thought it would be a really cool screensaver to use on my mythtv box but when i actually used it i was a little disapointed |
| [22:22:32] | hadees: | it had black bars on the side and didn't look as good that big |
| [22:23:22] | wagnerrp: | so the tvrage comment was mindless rambling? |
| [22:23:48] | hadees: | wagnerrp, lol no i wanted to know if it worked i didn't notice you responded |
| [22:24:14] | hadees: | wagnerrp, what did you modify? |
| [22:24:16] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i had to modify it to recognize a different file naming scheme |
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| [22:24:26] | abarbaccia1: | Anduin: I still don't understand exactly. I run the script through mythvideo normally, what would adding the -P argument do compared to not including the -P? It downloads a cover, just a low-res cover it seems. |
| [22:24:30] | wagnerrp: | and then properly maintain that scheme |
| [22:24:53] | hadees: | wagnerrp, yeah the naming is what i think might be an issue for me, i understand why they need but its hard to rename everything |
| [22:25:09] | wagnerrp: | do you have your own naming scheme? |
| [22:25:38] | wagnerrp: | or are your files just a big jumble |
| [22:25:40] | hadees: | wagnerrp, i was never very consistent |
| [22:25:48] | Anduin: | abarbaccia1: I'm saying run it manually, look at the URLs returned, then give an example of it picking the wrong one (it doesn't actually look at the images, just prefers those on some sites) |
| [22:26:23] | abarbaccia1: | alright, let me test it manually a bit and ill let you know what i come up with. |
| [22:26:45] | hadees: | i wish there was something like audio signatures for video |
| [22:27:19] | wagnerrp: | well there are web applications that search for matching images |
| [22:27:37] | wagnerrp: | its only a matter of time before cpu power gets cheap enough to provide a video version |
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| [22:27:58] | hadees: | yeah its definatly possible to do but no one has yet as far as i know |
| [22:28:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, im certain its been done |
| [22:28:18] | hadees: | at least not one that avalible for the masses ot use |
| [22:28:20] | wagnerrp: | its just not widely available |
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| [22:29:19] | wesw02: | Anduin, oh, good to know, thanks! |
| [22:30:31] | wagnerrp: | anyway, my modified version replaces their big if-test-extract section with a largish regex |
| [22:30:55] | wagnerrp: | i need to go through and make the regex global, and put it back on the mailing list |
| [22:31:08] | wagnerrp: | maybe add in a few canned styles |
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| [22:32:49] | Anduin: | abarbaccia1: site change, the posters page format changed |
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| [22:47:41] | abarbaccia1: | Anduin: I was able to find a thread on the mailing list with a few patches for this. I'll submit a bug to mythbuntu |
| [22:52:59] | iamlindoro: | IIRC there's already an actual trac bug w/ imdb patched, no need for a new bug report to mythbuntu |
| [22:53:04] | iamlindoro: | I could be wrong |
| [22:53:16] | iamlindoro: | but then, as the imdb scripts are likely not long for this world it may not really matter |
| [22:55:01] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5633 |
| [22:57:59] | wagnerrp: | why is that? |
| [22:58:06] | Anduin: | That is the right patch if it is only missing impawards, and yeah, will likely never see a checkin |
| [22:58:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, It violates TOS |
| [22:58:49] | iamlindoro: | and IMDB doesn't want to let Myth scrape |
| [22:58:58] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: because we asked (I did) and they said no, repeatedly. |
| [22:59:04] | wagnerrp: | really, i thought they provided some mechanism intentionally for that purpose |
| [22:59:29] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: the provide a version of some data via ftp |
| [22:59:29] | iamlindoro: | long live ofdb |
| [23:00:25] | iamlindoro: | er omdb |
| [23:01:16] | directhex: | where's the open adult movie database tho? |
| [23:01:19] | iamlindoro: | I actually see a lot of neat possibilities if the omdb becomes the data source of choice... images of actors, ability to submit info to improve the open source, etc. |
| [23:01:48] | iamlindoro: | similar movie suggestions... |
| [23:02:03] | Anduin: | There will soon be an omdb grabber, better integration will depend on how things develop from there. |
| [23:02:21] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Are you already working on one? |
| [23:02:46] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I started, not yet doing it the right way (they have an API, in alpha though) |
| [23:03:02] | iamlindoro: | ahh, I see |
| [23:03:26] | wagnerrp: | hah, g.i.jane made the bottom 100 |
| [23:03:39] | directhex: | not enough titties |
| [23:03:46] | Anduin: | People haven't watched enough bad movies I guess. |
| [23:03:46] | iamlindoro: | MOAR? |
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| [23:04:24] | directhex: | MOAR titties! |
| [23:05:28] | iamlindoro: | Showgirls, then? |
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| [23:05:46] | ** Anduin read that as a complaint about more titles, several times ** | |
| [23:06:00] | wagnerrp: | well showgirls got almost as bad |
| [23:06:21] | wagnerrp: | yes somehow showgirls is similar to open range (a costner western) |
| [23:06:33] | wagnerrp: | i suppose omdb still has a ways to go |
| [23:06:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, *every* movie I've pulled up has had that as a similar |
| [23:06:42] | iamlindoro: | something is broken |
| [23:06:46] | iamlindoro: | bring up Wall-e |
| [23:07:06] | iamlindoro: | Somehow that too is similar ;) |
| [23:07:08] | wagnerrp: | doesnt show up on The Wall |
| [23:07:13] | iamlindoro: | Wall-e |
| [23:07:13] | dustybin: | wow ive finally got results, ive ditched svga mame, using mame sdl instead, when you launch mame it detects all available modes your xorg has and uses the closest match to the game, if only sombody told me this before!!! |
| [23:07:26] | iamlindoro: | If only this were #MAME! |
| [23:07:37] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: mythgame > mame |
| [23:07:38] | wagnerrp: | or american psycho |
| [23:07:44] | directhex: | dustybin, if only people had told you... that svgalib is a heap of shit? |
| [23:07:48] | directhex: | news at 11? |
| [23:07:52] | dustybin: | directhex: it is!! |
| [23:08:01] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Mythbuntu->has a terminal-> This is #bash, too? |
| [23:08:07] | directhex: | iamlindoro told you you were smoking crack hours ago, tbh |
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| [23:08:41] | ** iamlindoro is still right about that ** | |
| [23:08:55] | wagnerrp: | youre saying mythgame is better than mame? |
| [23:09:03] | iamlindoro: | The key issue is, don't do drugs, kids |
| [23:09:10] | wagnerrp: | what consoles does mythgame support? |
| [23:09:11] | iamlindoro: | and stay in school |
| [23:09:14] | dustybin: | if anyone wants to use mame properly, bookmark this link, it contains ALL the modelines for just about every arcade game, if you stick those modelines in your xorg make will use the closest match: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?PHP . . . sts;start=40 |
| [23:09:25] | dustybin: | *mame |
| [23:09:55] | dustybin: | the games look superb on my TV |
| [23:10:10] | ** iamlindoro receives his certificate from the dustybin school of security in the mail, immediately signs up for the dustybin school of professional gaming correspondance course ** | |
| [23:10:26] | iamlindoro: | Famous Adventurers Gaming School |
| [23:10:28] | iamlindoro: | (FAGS) |
| [23:10:47] | dustybin: | :o |
| [23:13:07] | ** dustybin plays commando ** | |
| [23:14:02] | iamlindoro: | It must be neat to experience the lives of people who go outside, eh? |
| [23:15:06] | wagnerrp: | people who can go into the sun without turning a lovely shade of lobster |
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| [23:21:16] | justinh: | you see that rude noob over there, waiting to come in? people are more likely to help him than some others around here. mostly because he hasn't yet confessed to finding a fugly HP box attractive :P |
| [23:24:18] | justinh: | how the hell did I end up on some mailing list from xbmc.org ? :-O |
| [23:25:19] | justinh: | hrm come to think about it maybe I did post on their forums a couple of times |
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| [23:29:30] | justinh: | er... this www.thetvdb.com .. how do they get away with their banners & 'fan art' then? |
| [23:31:18] | sphery: | did you notice the redesign at tv.com |
| [23:31:25] | justinh: | all looks a bit suspect to me.. so somebody 'creates' a tv show banner or 'poster' – they're getting images from somewhere – images that are presumably under copyright already |
| [23:32:01] | justinh: | or is it all a bit 'ssssh,, it's got to be fair use or we're screwed' ? |
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| [23:32:48] | sphery: | At first, I assumed it was official studio-provided art (based on the homepage), but when I clicked on a show, I figured out what you're talking about. |
| [23:32:53] | sphery: | I agree. It looks suspect. |
| [23:33:24] | justinh: | I genuinely don't know if it's legally ok or not. it very well might be, in which case we could start picking it up too :) |
| [23:34:20] | sphery: | that would be cool. |
| [23:34:22] | GreyFoxx: | That could e pretty interesting |
| [23:34:49] | sphery: | have poster art for the titles in Watch Recordings... (when you have summary view enabled) |
| [23:34:54] | justinh: | heh. looking at their 'image sources' links in their 'banner creation guidelines' page... mr Babbage sayd Ah AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [23:35:35] | justinh: | then again, it's not thetvdb.com who are violating copyright, though they are hosting submitted images.. BUH |
| [23:35:43] | justinh: | another cool thing we have to miss out on by default |
| [23:35:48] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I think that would be very cool looking :) |
| [23:36:11] | sphery: | :( |
| [23:36:26] | justinh: | then again the likes of cdcovers.cc are still going strong |
| [23:36:36] | justinh: | if anyone'd be a target.. |
| [23:36:49] | GreyFoxx: | never saw that one before |
| [23:37:13] | justinh: | that one's been around as long as I've had broadband.. prolly longer |
| [23:37:18] | justinh: | so 10+ years |
| [23:38:19] | ** sphery wonders if it would be a violation to get/print a DVD case cover for a used XBox 360 game I bought from gamestop that came with their "We don't have the real case, so we'll put an ad here" cover... ** | |
| [23:38:31] | GreyFoxx: | To be honest I wouldn't even mind paying a fee like Schedulesdirect to "subscribe" to enhanced meta data. Including quality coverart , episode and movie data etc |
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| [23:38:52] | justinh: | maybe promotional material is exempt |
| [23:39:07] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: don't you know some people at SD? ;) |
| [23:39:13] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: hehe |
| [23:39:27] | justinh: | that's my angle, why I'm not 100% certain it's naughty ;) |
| [23:39:39] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah it's more aboutout getting the data than anything |
| [23:39:48] | sphery: | justinh: though I've seen HDTV trailers for movies with WMV licenses (requiring WMP/Windows to play) |
| [23:39:57] | GreyFoxx: | Episode data we could likely get via TMS |
| [23:40:06] | kormoc: | cause why would you want more people to view your ads?!?! |
| [23:40:32] | mzb_d800: | justinh: the other component used in the M10K was openchrome (also compiled mythtv with --xvmc-lib=chromeXvMC) |
| [23:40:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I love that idea... Get episode data for stuff that's not currently on the program listings for, i.e. buying a series on DVD... |
| [23:40:37] | GreyFoxx: | Then find another source for qualty movie posters and TV icons/images. I would love something lke those ones on thetvdb.coms front page |
| [23:40:43] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [23:41:09] | justinh: | thetvdb.com have an API ;) |
| [23:41:28] | GreyFoxx: | They do?Nice |
| [23:41:57] | GreyFoxx: | find a ood source of movie poster images (imdb kinda sucks) and that would rock |
| [23:42:05] | justinh: | or maybe not an actual API but there are code examples lying around |
| [23:42:12] | mchou: | man, for a project that tries to avoid copyright issues you guys sure seem to advocate the opposite |
| [23:42:19] | justinh: | no legal stuff on their site though |
| [23:42:55] | GreyFoxx: | Who here is advocatin copyright infringement ? |
| [23:43:05] | justinh: | CC license 3.0 (USA) – but that's sort of made a mockery of by the source material if that's copyrighted |
| [23:43:14] | wagnerrp: | copyright infringement wooo! |
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| [23:43:20] | mchou: | pay the movie studio or whoever for the posters/art already if you want it |
| [23:43:37] | mchou: | tell them it's a new biz opportunity |
| [23:43:46] | mchou: | they might be synpathetic |
| [23:43:47] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: I'm not saying I advocate it. it's frustrating though, with so many other projects just riding roughshod over it |
| [23:43:55] | mchou: | sympathetic* |
| [23:44:17] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: That's eactly what we were just talking about. A fee based system for getting at the info/imaes |
| [23:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | fuck I hate this keyboard |
| [23:44:51] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: yeah, but try not to tell them it's related to myth pls |
| [23:44:57] | GreyFoxx: | Pffft |
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| [23:45:46] | GreyFoxx: | Getting the episode data from TMS is one "legal" source. depending on what they wanna charge and such |
| [23:45:48] | justinh: | oh wait they do actually have an API |
| [23:46:16] | justinh: | this 'fan art' stuff is legally fuzzy at best though |
| [23:46:22] | GreyFoxx: | just not sure f there is an official source of movie poster images or if everyone has seperate deals wth studios |
| [23:46:32] | justinh: | this project needs somebody who says IAAL ;) |
| [23:46:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [23:47:05] | mchou: | well, tht's exactly what we want to try to avoid |
| [23:47:11] | GreyFoxx: | Actually Wendy Seltzer is a copyright lawyer |
| [23:47:20] | mchou: | copyright and lawyer entanglement |
| [23:47:27] | justinh: | well well well.. "American copyright law allows for the production, display and distribution of derivative works if they fall under a fair use exemption. Generally small excerpts from larger works that have no financial impact on the original and that are done for non commercial purposes could be considered a fair use (depending on a number of circumstances)" |
| [23:48:04] | mchou: | copyright law (or lack thereof) is fuzzy enough as it is. |
| [23:48:17] | justinh: | it's still grey though |
| [23:48:27] | mchou: | fair use is not universal |
| [23:48:56] | mchou: | doesnt apply to all countries |
| [23:49:31] | mchou: | keep myth a lawyer free zone for as long as possible |
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| [23:49:33] | justinh: | I think it's safe to come to the conclusion that the db's plan is to carry on as usual until they're slapped on the wrist on a per-image basis, hence the 'ask for an image to be removed' linky |
| [23:49:49] | mchou: | cause once the lawyers get involved myth is done for |
| [23:50:00] | dustybin: | i think its quite fair that i downloaded 18gigs worth of mame roms |
| [23:50:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:50:38] | justinh: | I was just looking at some new xbmc screenshots today thinking Hmmmmm nice background photos.. wonder where they came from. Oh hang on – nobody there cares what licence they are or what |
| [23:50:57] | justinh: | if you can 'save as' they're free innit ;) |
| [23:51:50] | mchou: | if you can look at it on your computer they are free |
| [23:52:03] | mchou: | since a copy has been made :) |
| [23:52:03] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm actually I think TMS does publish movie data too....which miht possibley include access to posters ...hmmm |
| [23:52:10] | jedix: | is there anyway to see why mythtranscode's failed? |
| [23:52:21] | jedix: | all they say in the web thingy is "failed" |
| [23:52:27] | jedix: | err |
| [23:52:29] | jedix: | "errored" |
| [23:52:33] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: if an entity still exists that owns them, its not fair use |
| [23:52:38] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: you're getting me excited... |
| [23:52:48] | mchou: | wagnerrp: what???? |
| [23:53:12] | wagnerrp: | mchou: dustybin recently downloaded an assload of MAME ROMs |
| [23:53:32] | mchou: | wagnerrp: oh, you referring to that. OK |
| [23:53:45] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: presumably TMS deal with organising promo materials for print magazines & such |
| [23:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: we had tossed some of these ideas around in the begining but were more worried about epg data ... I'll have to go check my mail archive |
| [23:53:48] | Dagmar: | ...which means he apparently lives in an apartment building constructed entirely from classic arcade console units. |
| [23:53:55] | GreyFoxx: | just: yeah |
| [23:54:14] | GreyFoxx: | $20 for SD, $30 for SD+ :) |
| [23:54:19] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [23:54:26] | sphery: | I'll pay! |
| [23:54:26] | justinh: | what about just the + ? ;) |
| [23:54:26] | dustybin: | i tell you one thing, the myth game interface really does suck, when one has a shit load of roms the only way you can search through them is with the fast forward, its faster than using the cursor but not that fast, why cant you search with letters ?! |
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| [23:54:59] | GreyFoxx: | dust: go into the setup and enable filename hashin |
| [23:55:01] | tty01: | can someone tell me how i can setup xine to play .iso files? |
| [23:55:08] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: aye ok |
| [23:55:21] | justinh: | xinr dvd: $somefile.iso IIRC |
| [23:55:30] | jedix: | dvd:\\ maybe? |
| [23:55:31] | sphery: | tty01: xine dvd://absolute/path/to/file.iso |
| [23:55:40] | sphery: | tty01: note the slashes (and number thereof) |
| [23:55:42] | tty01: | i mean using mythtv |
| [23:55:45] | justinh: | failing all else, man xine :P |
| [23:55:51] | sphery: | tty01: MythVideo only |
| [23:55:54] | jedix: | yeah, // seems more right |
| [23:55:59] | sphery: | just set it as your player |
| [23:56:02] | tty01: | right i have mythvideo |
| [23:56:03] | mchou: | jedix: stop using windoze |
| [23:56:09] | justinh: | tty01: set the 'dvd player command' to that listed above. |
| [23:56:12] | tty01: | im trying to set a custom command for extension .iso |
| [23:56:14] | justinh: | badabing |
| [23:56:15] | jedix: | mchou: I don't, haven't in 8 years |
| [23:56:25] | mchou: | jedix: \\ is a windows tick |
| [23:56:26] | jedix: | that's what makes it strange |
| [23:56:30] | GreyFoxx: | Why use xine at all ? |
| [23:56:34] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: thanks thats better :-) |
| [23:56:44] | tty01: | mythv will just try and play the path i specify and not the .iso file itself |
| [23:56:52] | dustybin: | i wonder if the indepth game scan can find out information about year made and publisher etc |
| [23:56:53] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: apparently the only legal getout could be parody, but seen as 99% of them can't be classed as that... wah wah wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [23:57:09] | sphery: | tty01: xine dvd:/%s |
| [23:57:14] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: If you import the romdb sql data it can |
| [23:57:16] | tty01: | sweet thats what i was looking for |
| [23:57:23] | hadees: | what tables do i need to backup inorder to save the channel information? I want to wipe my database save for that because that it is a pain to setup in mycase |
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| [23:57:37] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: Though I haven't updated it in a whle but it should catch most :) |
| [23:57:38] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: ace :-) |
| [23:57:43] | justinh: | 'fair use' isn't quite about 'not for profit'. so there goes another pipedream |
| [23:57:56] | sphery: | hadees: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore , specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . nnel_scan.29 |
| [23:58:15] | sphery: | you'll still need to do a scan (assuming digital) |
| [23:59:03] | hadees: | sphery, thats the part i want to avoid |
| [23:59:17] | hadees: | it always adds all these extra channels over QAM that don't actually exist |
| [23:59:33] | hadees: | i have to go through and figure out which ones are actually there and that takes forever |
| [23:59:40] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: Warning though. On large collections the scan takes a long time |
| [23:59:40] | tty01: | how do i fill out the info for this iso file? such as directed by, runtime etc |
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