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Monday, September 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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calman_:

hey dudes, if i have a standard def cable box does that usually mean that i have a standard signal coming in? or just that i need an HD receiver?

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Timrit:

you probably have hd content on the input side of your cable box. what the converter box does with it is what you are gonna get out. if you have a SD cable box, you get SD if you have HD box you get HD out of it.

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Steven_M:

can mythdora be installed on an xbox?

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calman_:

alright, the reason I ask is because I'm tired of the crappy cable receiver my provider gave me

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calman_:

and I want to get a tv tuner card for my computer and set up mythtv

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calman_:

so, if I get an HD card will I be able to view the content in HD?

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calman_:

assuming i have an hdtv of course

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cesman:

calman_: only HD content

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cesman:

a HD tuner won't magically turn SD into HD

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calman_:

well, i was wondering if the signal that's coming into my apartment was HD, and the cable box just converts it down

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calman_:

that's not how it works?

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fryfrog:

Timrit: well, you'd also get SD :)

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fryfrog:

calman_: Cable carries many channels, some SD and some HD

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fryfrog:

an SD box only decodes those that are SD

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fryfrog:

an HD box will decode those that are HD as well as those that are SD (there are *far* more SD channels)

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Timrit:

Dagmar: thanks for your response. the front ends are all ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04. all are fully patched. this is just plain odd. is it possible it is losing connection to the backend like with a router issue?

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fryfrog:

but even if you get an HD tuner card for your PC, you almost certainly won't get most of the HD cable channels.

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calman_:

thanks, why not?

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calman_:

cause i have to get my provider to send me an hd signal?

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fryfrog:

calman_: because the cable co encrypts their shit

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calman_:

wow that's so gay'

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fryfrog:

calman_: you are quite likely to get all the local channels, which you'd also get with an arial

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fryfrog:

what you *can* do (if it works) is get an HD STB with firewire and hook it up to myth that way.

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calman_:

hmm thanks so much, i'll look into that

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wagnerrp:

firewire often gets more channels than a QAM tuner

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fryfrog:

works nicely in my area, i get 98% of my channels (both SD and HD) in digital. Though it does fail occasionaly, but someone in here suggested some changes that have helped a lot.

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wagnerrp:

but just as often, the firewire is (illegally) disabled

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Timrit:

i think charter puts the hd channels up in the 700+ range at least near me here in wisconsin. not sure you can get a tuner card to go into the 700's but i am not an expert on that.

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fryfrog:

Timrit: it is all fake past ~74 or so

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wagnerrp:

Timrit: 700 digital channels do not exist

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fryfrog:

"700" is probably like channel 80, subchannel something

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wagnerrp:

those are all just fake numbers

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Timrit:

i kind of figured but.........

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fryfrog:

they just use digital (and compression) to send 2,3,4+ channels down one "channel"

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wagnerrp:

QAM channels contain roughly 38Mbit/s, which they can subdivide however they want

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wagnerrp:

an HD channel usually takes 10–15Mbit, an SD channel is usually 2–4Mbit, an audio channel is in the hundreds of kilobits

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Solaris444:

hi all. I'm using 0.21–15 for SuSE 11.0 and that version apparently has a bug where mythtv-setup does not generate mysql.txt in /home/foo/.mythtv/

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Solaris444:

Is there a way to generate that file?

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wagnerrp:

afaik, mysql.txt is no longer used in 0.21

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andyman53:

hey guys

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andyman53:

anyone know why my screen turns off after 15 mins or so of inactivity

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andyman53:

X isn't set to spawn a screensaver

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fryfrog:

andyman53: xset s off

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andyman53:

and i don't see any acpi options turned on

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fryfrog:

xset -dpms

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wagnerrp:

because X is set to turn the screen off after 15 minutes

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fryfrog:

i put that in my frontend launcher script

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andyman53:

both of those or one?

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andyman53:

i see

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wagnerrp:

its probably a default for your distro

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fryfrog:

the first disables screen saver "s"

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fryfrog:

the second does dpms (power savings)

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andyman53:

probably

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Solaris444:

wagnerrp: apparently this failure was listed as a bug and fixed in 0.21–185

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fryfrog:

i dunno if both are needed, but i do it

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Solaris444:

because my tv lister requires the presence of mysql.txt

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andyman53:

front loader script file being?

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fryfrog:

andyman53: just put it somewhere that gets run when you boot up

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wagnerrp:

Solaris444: then just write one yourself, its just 5 lines

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fryfrog:

login script, something like that

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andyman53:

mmk

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Solaris444:

oh! thats wagnerrp.

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fryfrog:

I have a cron job that runs every minute on my frontend system that checks if the FE is up and if it isn't, starts it

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Solaris444:

where can i find a sample file?

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Solaris444:

sorry I meant thanks

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fryfrog:

I put it in there.

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wagnerrp:

search for 'cat mysql.txt'

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wagnerrp:

sorry, but i am incapable of copy-paste (irc open in a VNC window)

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Solaris444:

I have searched the entire filesystem for mysql.txt and there are no files of that name. Unless that's not what you mean.

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wagnerrp:

i mean search google

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Solaris444:

oh

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wagnerrp:

google is your all knowing master

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Solaris444:

lol

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Solaris444:

I don't suppose i could persuade you to pastebin yours could i?

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Solaris444:

I'll certainly check google though.

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wagnerrp:

it knows what you want... it HAS what you want

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wagnerrp:

just search for that line, the first response has an example

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Solaris444:

thanks dude.

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Solaris444:

I better email the packager to let them know they have a buggy version.

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andyman53:

fryfrog: i can't run those commands via ssh can i?

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andyman53:

'unable to open display"

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andyman53:

and i checked off x11 forwarding in putty...

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wagnerrp:

andyman53: did you check off x11 forwarding in your sshd_config and give the '-X' flag when you ran ssh?

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wagnerrp:

and you have a local X server on Windows? (cygwin, xwin32, exceed)

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fryfrog:

andyman53: it'd need to be run as the user that is running the front end and proably in the same session.

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wagnerrp:

i guess putty wouldnt need the '-X' unless you were running from the command line

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andyman53:

k

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fryfrog:

you might get away with something like... "DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 sudo -u <mythuser> xset s off"

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre not trying to forward it, you want an X application to show up on the local display?

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wagnerrp:

ah

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: no, he just wants to run xset s off and xset -dpms

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wagnerrp:

disregard my comments

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fryfrog:

which of course... yeah :)

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andyman53:

what's a good startup file to edit in fc7?

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andyman53:

make that fc9

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** cesman isn't a Fedora user **

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cesman:

but I think the answer depends on wha tit is you intend to start up...

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andyman53:

xset s off

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andyman53:

and xset -dpms

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** andyman53 edits .bash_profile **

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cesman:

why not .xinitrc?

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cesman:

that is why it is there...

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cesman:

or depending on your Window Manager, you can use it's feature to startup a program...

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andyman53:

true

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andyman53:

gotta run

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andyman53:

thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

i read that as 'what tit', and became confused

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: can you recommend a media router, my dlink 320 is completly dead?

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clever_:

id sudjest any router that can handle 100mbit or maybe 1gigabit:P

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squish102:

Gimpy was that 320 any use

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squish102:

i have one and it is more trouble than it is worth

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fryfrog:

he is talking about upnp media devices, i think the word "media router" is not correct

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clever:

ahh

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fryfrog:

network media player perhaps?

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clever:

totaly diff things:P

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squish102:

no fast forwarding, or anything

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Gimpy:

squish102: i don't know i got it on ebay and just tested it to day ie was completly dead , it would only power up it wouldn't even give me a welcome page

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clever:

demand a refund:P

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Gimpy:

fryfrog, that would should i say so everyone knows what im asking for?

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Gimpy:

clever: its been 2 + months, and it was only about $50 w/s&h so no huge lose, a lose but not a big one

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fryfrog:

Gimpy: i'm not sure, but "router" strongly implies the device you plug your cable modem into and all your computers to share your connection.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

though my router only has 1 LAN port and im spliting it with a switch

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Gimpy:

fryfrog: yes but as far as i kntw the a device to stream your media from pc to is called a media router, i think the word router is misleading here too.

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Gimpy:

so is anyone stream there media to a tv though a upnp devce?

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fryfrog:

I've heard "Media Extender" but think that implies MS's deal.

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Gimpy:

fryfrog: yep, so what to call them media upnp devices

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kormoc:

"Media playback device that happens to be upnp based and will play non-drmed video that is in a known format and style over a standard network interface"

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NeoMatrixJR:

> Ok, having lots of problems with my first time install. So first question will be, is my box good enough. P4 2GHz (single core), 640MB Ram, hybrid box, Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i) watching HD and SD content over analog cable.

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fryfrog:

Gimpy: Maybe the all wise and powerful google knows what they are called.

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fryfrog:

Or wikipedia :)

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fryfrog:

NeoMatrixJR: I'd say that anything you record with the PCTV HD card should stand a reasonable chance of working, but you may not get many channels with it over cable. HD channels, I mean.

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iamlindoro:

Plus, there's no such thing as HD content over analog cable :)

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fryfrog:

and by that i mean, it'll likely do okay with hd mpeg2 but choke on x264

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: I'm getting HD. My local operator brodcasts our locals in unencrypted digital over cable

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fryfrog:

NeoMatrixJR: yeah, HD locals you are almost sure to get, of course you could throw up and arial and get them too.

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NeoMatrixJR:

iamlindoro: true...thank you, I guess I should just say cable. it's referred to as analog by the cable operator if u don't by the box.

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fryfrog:

Hunting them down on QAM and then assigning them to a datadirect listing is annoying.

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fryfrog:

Then to make it nicer, the cable co will occasionally re-map them :/

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Gimpy:

ok, ho what is a good upnp device i can get to stream my media to a tv , anyone got any recomendations?

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fryfrog:

are you calling us all hos? :p

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Gimpy:

fryfrog: .. oops typo maybe some :-)

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: I've taken care of *most* of the listing problems and I'm picking up channels, both analog and digital. I'm mostly asking because I'm having problems getting mythtv to work properly. I will explain further:

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NeoMatrixJR:

The HD channels skip/stutter, the digital SD channels are fine (but that's just a few service channels), and the analog tuner/channels tune in then fade to static.

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PinkFreud:

heya folks. I have mythtv set up on a box with a Matrox G450. While mplayer happily uses the mga_vid device for playback, I haven't been able to convince the internal mythtv player to do so. Is this possible?

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fryfrog:

Blech, maybe I was wrong. Have you watched the CPU usage?

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Gimpy:

fryfrog: that was supose to say ok , now what is a good upnp device i can stream from myth to a tv, any recommendations?

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squish102:

Gimpy do any lights come on the 320?

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Gimpy:

squish102: just the power light

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squish102:

and u tried all the outputs?

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: will check...rebooting myth box

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squish102:

you may want to look here, to see if any1 has the same problem

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squish102:

http://dsm320.yuku.com/directory

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squish102:

like maybe reset firmware to defaults

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Gimpy:

squish102: the only optian i have is rca camposit with the tv, so all i could do is try a known good set of rca cables , and nathipy different

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squish102:

which i think is something like hold the reset button, (small one behind) when switching on

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squish102:

or something along those lines

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Gimpy:

squish102: i got a 404 error from that link, but i looked for a rest and didn't see one

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Gimpy:

ok i just looked and saw the reset,

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squish102:

Gimpy wierd, im browsing that website atm

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ShdwShinobi:

How can I make it so I can switch between two video sources?

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fryfrog:

ShdwShinobi: when?

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: when watching an SD digital broadcast the cpu is 15–20%

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fryfrog:

if watching live tv, try "Y" key

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Gimpy:

squish102: ShdwShinobi a kvm

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fryfrog:

NeoMatrixJR: sounds good, what about HD?

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ShdwShinobi:

fryfrog, I've tried the 'Y' key and it doesn't work

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Gimpy:

squish102: what do you use to stream media ? a 320 or somethipg else?

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fryfrog:

wait, switch between *inputs* on a single card or switch between different cards?

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ShdwShinobi:

on a single card

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: locks up when I try to change channels. 91–93% CPU and the hard drive light flashes about once a second....

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Gimpy:

company here back in a few hours (hopefully)

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fryfrog:

ShdwShinobi: there is a key for that also, but I don't remember it :/

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ShdwShinobi:

right now I"m trying to switch between analog and digital, but i'd like to through composite input in as well

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NeoMatrixJR:

don't know if it was going to HD content or not

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NeoMatrixJR:

99.2% now

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ShdwShinobi:

fryfrog, does it help to say that I have it set up as two different cards?

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ShdwShinobi:

they work if I have one set up at a time, just not both at the same

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NeoMatrixJR:

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fryfrog:

ShdwShinobi: so is it one of those analog / digital on one card, but you can only use 1 at a time?

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ShdwShinobi:

fryfrog, it's a Hauppauge 1950. I have to set it up as a DVB and then a mpeg-2 card for analog

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fryfrog:

ShdwShinobi: and you can't use both parts at the same time?

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ShdwShinobi:

i don't believe so

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fryfrog:

I've never set one of those up, did you use the new-ish myth option to do it?

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fryfrog:

the one that is like "you can't use this card and that card at the same time"?

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ShdwShinobi:

new-ish?

[01:47:13]

ShdwShinobi:

never seen that

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fryfrog:

I've run accross it in mythtv-setup, but I can't recall where.

[01:47:48]

ShdwShinobi:

in the program menu it has analog channels greyed out

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fryfrog:

I use 0.21-fixes, so it isn't *that* new

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squish102:

Gimpy "fully reset the media player, lightly insert a paper clip into the reset opening on the unit.s rear panel for ten seconds."

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fryfrog:

If the card is truely the kind that can only do one *or* the other (not both at once), you'd probably have to set it up with those options.

[01:48:30]

fryfrog:

But I think a lot of the new dual HD/SD cards let you use both at the same time.

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squish102:

Gimpy also try dit the video out button a few times

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squish102:

Gimpy: i used the 320 to stream stuff to SD tv. I gave up with mythtv's upnp and used ushare

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PinkFreud:

guh. anyone? Is it possible to have the internal mythtv player use mga_vid?

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mchou:

Decepticon: you get my stuff??

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ShdwShinobi:

oh my god... that is horrible

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** kormoc blinks **

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NeoMatrixJR:

fryfrog: I'm going to run a new digital channel scan. I'm not picking up a channel I know is running HD. I'll let u know what my hd cpu% is when it's done

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ShdwShinobi:

sorry, didn't mean to say that here... but there's like a couple second delay for composite input :( horrible for gaming

[02:15:09]

wagnerrp:

ShdwShinobi: correct, mythtv does not actually have a 'livetv' option, it lags everything by a couple seconds

[02:15:13]

GreyFoxx:

LiveTV is recorded and played back from disk so there s a delay

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ShdwShinobi:

wagnerrp, i figured that... so i tried it in mplayer and it's the same thing

[02:16:08]

wagnerrp:

well the tuner, encoder, and everything in the chain shouldnt cause more than maybe half a second

[02:16:18]

wagnerrp:

but thats still far too long for games

[02:16:36]

ShdwShinobi:

i could live with that

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fryfrog:

ShdwShinobi: if it is an mpeg2, you'll never get live

[02:16:54]

wagnerrp:

the framegrabber on my laptop lags by about 100ms

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fryfrog:

you don't want to try and run a console through myth, just hook it right to the tv :)

[02:17:12]

wagnerrp:

its just video capture, not a tuner

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ShdwShinobi:

fryfrog, it is... great.

[02:17:50]

wagnerrp:

there is not going to be any (cheap) option to broadcast the game in real time

[02:18:40]

bronson:

Hm, I don't understand how transcoding works... When I try to start in Job Options, I see Default, Autodetect, High Quality, Medium Quality and Low Quality. None of those work (they all increase the size of the files).

[02:19:00]

wagnerrp:

how big are your files to begin with?

[02:19:17]

bronson:

I try to config them in Recording Profiles but the changes I make there don't seem to hold.

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bronson:

wagnerrp, 600 MB per 1/2 hour or so.

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bronson:

It's just straight DVB MPEG. I'd like to get that down to 200 or so.

[02:20:48]

wagnerrp:

that surprisingly low even for SD video

[02:21:11]

bronson:

what, 1.2 GB/hour?

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wagnerrp:

good quality 576p mpeg2 should be 2–3GB/hr

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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bronson:

I feel like XviD does 300 MB/hour pretty well.

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GreyFoxx:

usually it's 1.9–2.4G per hour on SDTV right off the wire

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wagnerrp:

xvid does not do 576p at 300MB/hr well

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bronson:

Well, it's probably a crappy channel. I've seen artifacts, I bet they overcompress pretty badly.

[02:22:23]

bronson:

Oh well. I'd settle for 600 even.

[02:22:33]

wagnerrp:

you should be running 600–700/hr with xvid

[02:23:25]

bronson:

Sure, if you've got a high-quality movie with action scenes...

[02:23:36]

bronson:

I don't mind crappy sitcoms having crappy artifacts. :)

[02:24:03]

bronson:

Anyhow, I can't figure out how to change the compression settings.

[02:24:15]

wagnerrp:

artifacts are artifacts are bad... better to drop the resolution than let the quality suffer

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bronson:

Sure — I'm happy to resize.

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wagnerrp:

never actually transcoded myself

[02:25:33]

wagnerrp:

better to ask clever

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wagnerrp:

he transcodes everything

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bronson:

Making changes to TV Settings -> Recording Profiles -> Transcoders doesn't seem to affect anything.

[02:26:11]

wagnerrp:

and he has probably managed to break the transcoding mechanism in every way possible (and several ways that should not be possible)

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iamlindoro:

Recording profiles will never have any effect on DVB

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wagnerrp:

ive ripped/encoded DVDs, but never used mythtv for transcoding

[02:27:02]

iamlindoro:

as you have no say in what bitrate it will be

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bronson:

iamlindoro, Then what does Recording Profiles -> Transcoders do?

[02:28:11]

bronson:

If I'm transcoding, don't I have every control over bitrate?

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iamlindoro:

That has nothing to do with the recorded bitrate

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iamlindoro:

The transcode bitrates only effect it if you use mythtranscode

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bronson:

iamlindoro, I am using mythtranscode aren't I?

[02:29:53]

iamlindoro:

Apparently not properly

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iamlindoro:

As you say they have no effect, and those are the only transcode controls for mythtranscode

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bronson:

So... how should I transcode my programs?

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iamlindoro:

I'd go read the wiki about transcoding and follow that, or read the relevant manual section

[02:31:18]

bronson:

I did.

[02:31:42]

iamlindoro:

specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

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bronson:

that's exactly what I followed.

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iamlindoro:

Well that article is accurate, so don't know what to tell you

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like something's broken if you transcode and nothing changes

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bronson:

The article doesn't seem to be correct...

[02:35:19]

iamlindoro:

Which part of it do you feel is wrong?

[02:35:20]

bronson:

It says, "Use ... Settings --> recording Profiles -> Transcoders" to change how the system transcodes.

[02:35:31]

bronson:

So, I did. I set up custom profiles.

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iamlindoro:

You can't do that.

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mchou:

what?? You cant do that??

[02:35:55]

iamlindoro:

You can only edit the existing ones

[02:36:02]

iamlindoro:

at least, and expect them to work

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bronson:

But, when I press M while watching a program to transcode, it only shows the original profiles, not my modifications.

[02:36:31]

bronson:

So, what, I can't change how the system transcodes?

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iamlindoro:

Sure you can. Edit the existing profiles.

[02:38:24]

bronson:

Huh.

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bronson:

It would have been nice if the wiki page had said that.

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mchou:

bronson: go ahead and edit it

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mchou:

bronson: the wiki page, that is

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bronson:

mchou, problem is, I'm no expert.

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bronson:

Clearly I have no idea how this is supposed to work. :)

[02:40:50]

mchou:

You dont need to be an expert

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mchou:

if your edit is incoorect someone will revert

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mchou:

incorrect*

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bronson:

I could add, "warning: iamlindoro says that even though it allows you to change the names of the profiles, DO NOT DO IT"

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mchou:

lol

[02:41:35]

mchou:

yeah. do that

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bronson:

hah, OK.

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kormoc:

bronson, it's a known non-coded feature that noone cares enough to code yet.

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iamlindoro:

I love it when people get resentful about being given the correct information. This channel becomes more like the e-mail list every day

[02:44:18]

bronson:

iamlindoro, no, I appreciate very much being given correct information. Thank you.

[02:44:20]

mchou:

iamlindoro: who is genting resentful?

[02:44:25]

mchou:

getting*

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iamlindoro:

bronson, ah, I misread your intention then. NP :()

[02:44:41]

iamlindoro:

er :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: stop being so sarcastic or ill clog your machines with cat hair

[02:45:04]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Well the users list would be the appropriate place to learn about that ;)

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bronson:

kormoc, I'll add that to my warning on the wiki page.

[02:45:17]

wagnerrp:

is that thread still ongoing?

[02:45:18]

mchou:

iamlindoro needs to stop taking himself so seriously

[02:45:31]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I dunno, was away for the weekend but I think it might be

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mchou:

wagnerrp: what thread you referring to?

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wagnerrp:

the one for suggestions about a cat laying on top of a frontend

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, between that and "Can I use $somerandomARMprocessorPOS as an HD frontend?" it's a wasteland of nonsense these days

[02:47:15]

wagnerrp:

hey, my palm has an ARM! i can has mythtv?

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mchou:

lol

[02:47:35]

mchou:

my land line phone has an ARM

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, you forgot the aytch dee

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wagnerrp:

high quality 320x240 goodness

[02:48:08]

mchou:

I can has mythtv on my land line phone?

[02:48:51]

mchou:

So that's what mythphone is good for!

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you can hook an handset into the modem jack, and call people

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mchou:

wagnerrp: my landline is VoIP already

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mchou:

no need for stinky modem :)

[02:50:14]

wagnerrp:

i doubt that

[02:50:31]

mchou:

wagnerrp: you doubt what exactly?

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bronson:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing . . . g_Recordings

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wagnerrp:

if it runs over a shared internet connection, its not really 'land line' anymore is it

[02:50:58]

bronson:

Warning added.

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iamlindoro:

bronson, that will help the next guy, thanks

[02:51:35]

mchou:

wagnerrp: when I say land line phone I mean my handest is TDM

[02:51:43]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, i could claim my mom's cell phone is a land line, since it can switch into voip/wifi mode

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wagnerrp:

tdm?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

time domain multiplexing

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iamlindoro:

s/domain/division/

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mchou:

wagnerrp: get with it man

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wagnerrp:

ah, youre just talking about clipping the phone line into the house, and connecting an ATA to your local circuit

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mchou:

wagnerrp: bingo

[02:53:43]

wagnerrp:

but still, you clipped the connection to the line

[02:55:58]

mchou:

internet connect still travels over land here when I last checked :)

[02:56:18]

mchou:

you know HFC and all that

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mchou:

all the way to the cable plant

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wagnerrp:

i still think 'land line' should imply dedicated line

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

who uses land line in this age anyways

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jblack:

Asterisk has a new chan_mobile module, which lets you send/receive w/ cell phones over bluetooth.

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wagnerrp:

thats not exactly new

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mchou:

'land line' in your sense

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wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to dick around with it for the last year and a half, and never got around to it

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fryfrog:

jblack: wow, that sounds neat. is it using the data of the cell phone?

[02:58:17]

jblack:

fryfrog; I don't know much about it. I don't have a cell phone.

[02:58:19]

fryfrog:

or more like a uh... bluetooth headset?

[02:58:22]

fryfrog:

ah

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: asterisk emulates a bluetooth headset

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fryfrog:

i don't have a land line, which is why i've always admired it from afar

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mchou:

fryfrog: more like BT headset

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jblack:

It works with bluetooth. I know that much.

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wagnerrp:

at least thats how the older versions worked

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: wow!

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if you can dial out, but you should be able to receive just fine

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fryfrog:

that'd be totally awesome sauce!

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jblack:

wagnerrp: Your newness knob is cranked too high.

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mchou:

lol

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jblack:

Yeah, send and receive. You need the right bluetooth eqp, the right provider, etc.

[02:59:23]

mchou:

that would be knobbie

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mchou:

bluetooth sucks anyways

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jblack:

You should be able to find a page on voip-info

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mchou:

lousy sound quality

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wagnerrp:

mchou: perhaps, but you dont have to go running across the house to find your phone

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mchou:

Damn PA at Target sounds better

[03:00:23]

wagnerrp:

or otherwise miss it because you were across the house and didnt hear it

[03:00:39]

wagnerrp:

or have the chance to ignore it, depending on your disposition

[03:01:41]

mchou:

just leave voicemail

[03:01:52]

mchou:

dont call me, I'll call you :)

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Gimpy:

squish102: you still in here

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Gimpy:

does anyone have experience with the d-link dsm-320?

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Gimpy:

squish102: ??

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Solaris444:

Hi guys, my mythbackend is set to run on startup, but doesn't seem to start.

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Solaris444:

Starting it manually afterwards works however.

[03:54:36]

Solaris444:

Where can I read the log?

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Gimpy:

Solaris444: do you get start-stop deamn interup when you do a mythbackend restart

[03:56:06]

Solaris444:

I'm sorry? I didn't quite understand what you wrote there Gimpy.

[03:56:26]

Solaris444:

I just click on "Enable" in system services and it returns success.

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Gimpy:

Solaris444: do you have any experience with dlink dsm-320 media router, ?

[03:56:39]

Gimpy:

:-)

[03:56:40]

Solaris444:

No, i don't I'm afraid.

[03:57:50]

Gimpy:

Solaris444: do you know about using a media router to stream myth to a tv? does the router just have to support upnp to work ?

[03:58:08]

Solaris444:

I honestly have no idea. I have never used one.

[03:58:17]

Solaris444:

Besides, mythtv has its own frontend.

[03:58:28]

Solaris444:

You should be using that on your client machine.

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Gimpy:

ok, im trying to find someone who has, i think mine the one i have is dead

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Solaris444:

Yes, but what I don't understand is why you need or want one.

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Gimpy:

im trying to eliminate crap hooked up to my tv

[04:00:23]

Gimpy:

so by using a meia router then i wouldn't need my cable box or dvd player hookedup and i would only need a media router

[04:00:46]

Solaris444:

right, i understand that.

[04:01:06]

Solaris444:

but why not build a mini-pc and stream using myth's remote backend and then the frontend?

[04:01:26]

wagnerrp:

Gimpy: yes. i put my (upnp aware) PS3 on the same network as my mythbackend, and everything is auto-detected

[04:02:03]

wagnerrp:

Gimpy: try out some other servers, like fuppes or mediatomb, or some windows ones like nero

[04:02:10]

wagnerrp:

see if any of them are picked up by your device

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Solaris444:

wagnerrp: my grabber seems to work, but it isn't populating the channels.

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i think my dsm-320 is completly dead i don't get a welcome screen when i turn it on , ive swaped cables with known good cable , reset the router and nothing, can you suggest a good router to get

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Solaris444:

also, for some reason, i can't CHANGE channels once in the frontend!

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wagnerrp:

you mean upnp client? the only one i have experience with is my ps3

[04:04:04]

Wicked:

hello all. i currently have normal cable with a pvr-150. ill be getting a cable box from comcast cable(scientific american cable box) and im wondering how it will work with mythtv. i currently get my channel listings from SD....but it only goes to like channel 77...with the new cable box i should have more channels then that.

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i was asking do you know of any good media routers to get

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wagnerrp:

you mean upnp client? the only one i have experience with is my ps3

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: so media router just has to support upnp to work with myth?

[04:05:47]

wagnerrp:

that is correct

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: and do i need to setup a multi cast even though i do have a multicast in ifconfig

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wagnerrp:

some people claim so, ive never had to

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Gimpy:

ok, i guess i gotta go find a media router that works

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wagnerrp:

your old one isnt under warrenty? you have no way of resetting it?

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: is there way way to set a rule in myth that unless you are infront of the pc with myth that all other media router and pc can't access or chasge recard priorities or setup/utillities

[04:09:19]

wagnerrp:

you can install mythweb, and do all that over a web browser

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: with mythweb you can't watch live tv , which ruins what i want to allow wieh media routers

[04:11:26]

Gimpy:

i want to allow people to watch live tv with the media routers

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wagnerrp:

thats what upnp is for

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wagnerrp:

although livetv isnt there yet

[04:11:54]

wagnerrp:

only recordings

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Gimpy:

so you need mythweb to use upnp?

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, livetv requires mythfrontend

[04:12:36]

wagnerrp:

you need mythweb to use mythweb, you need upnp support to use upnp

[04:12:40]

wagnerrp:

theyre completely separate

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wagnerrp:

mythweb gives you a quick utility to set up recording schedules

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Gimpy:

i thaught they were sepret

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wagnerrp:

and otherwise manage them

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Gimpy:

is there any talk on myth-dev about a relase date to beable ta watch live tv with mythweb

[04:14:08]

wagnerrp:

mythweb can currently stream recordings

[04:14:22]

wagnerrp:

so everything is almost there to stream livetv, it just needs some glue

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, no one is working on it at the moment

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GreyFoxx:

Gimp: "Release date" assumes someone is actually working on that :)

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Gimpy:

GreyFoxx: yes,i just assumed someone was, it seems to be like that would be a feature other want

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Solaris444:

guys, do I have to change inputs or something if I have 2 tuners?

[04:15:59]

Solaris444:

Because trying to change the channel currently doesn't work.

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Gimpy:

Solaris444: myth defaults to availble input

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wagnerrp:

Gimpy: most mythtv users end up watching livetv less and less

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: that understandable , im trying tn use myth to hopefully replace dvd cable box on every tv

[04:17:17]

wagnerrp:

dvd cable box?

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Gimpy:

no that should be dvd player and cable box

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wagnerrp:

dvds can be ripped and streamed over upnp with mythvideo (if you can get upnp working)

[04:18:25]

wagnerrp:

but there is not yet capability for livetv over upnp

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Gimpy:

yes, i've checked that out i would like to also get rid of the cable box at the same time :-)

[04:19:02]

wagnerrp:

is this digital or analog?

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Gimpy:

digital

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Solaris444:

wagnerrp: any idea why i can't change the channel?

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wagnerrp:

let me rephrase that, is this HD or SD

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Gimpy:

its both, not all channles are campletly digieal yet

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wagnerrp:

digital has no bearing on HD and SD

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wagnerrp:

unless youre capturing over firewire, or have an HDPVR, im guessing its SD

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i thaught thats what you were asking. are you askipg sd(sechdules direct)

[04:22:37]

wagnerrp:

HD = high definition, SD = standard definition

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Gimpy:

ya your right there

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wagnerrp:

over digital cable, you are not likely to get more than the local broadcast channels

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wagnerrp:

the rest are going to be encrypted

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wagnerrp:

so youre left with capturing over firewire

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wagnerrp:

or capturing the analog output off the stb

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: even taking the output from the output of the cable box

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wagnerrp:

anyway, SD video is trivial to decode

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wagnerrp:

stb = set top box, or cable box

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wagnerrp:

anyway, for relatively cheap, you can get a low power machine, set it up as a diskless client, and run a frontend on it

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i'm a little lost because eieher way i still get the show frod the digieal cable channels

[04:25:36]

wagnerrp:

but its an analog capture method

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wagnerrp:

more specifically, its an SD analog capture method

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Gimpy:

yes your correct , i was confuesed where you were going with this , but now i get it your telling me its got going to be HD or true hd because the method is analog and i thaught you were first trying to tell me that i would get anything

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wagnerrp:

HD of any sort can take some power

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i don't know of any pci hd tuner cards do you?

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wagnerrp:

SD does not

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wagnerrp:

there are plenty of PCI digital tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

there are no PCI hd capture cards

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Gimpy:

I have pci's not pciE's. I am trying to figure out what will a digital tuner do for me the the analog pver 150 won't? anything noticeable?

[04:30:05]

wagnerrp:

do you have an hdtv?

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Gimpy:

yes but i plan on taking digital cable box output since there are more chanples that way

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wagnerrp:

a digital tuner card will give you over-the-air HD

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wagnerrp:

but not much for cable

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wagnerrp:

most cable channels are encrypted

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Gimpy:

i still get the digital tuner channles with this card surprisingly

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wagnerrp:

not with the 150 you dont

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: channel 1521 is set to recard

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: are you saing i can't recard digital channels with the pvr 150?

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Gimpy:

beceuse im watching 1521 right now and recordipy ehe next show whatever it is

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bigdavediodes:

Okay, I'm very close to giving up — has anyone gotten the r5.5 working with the Wintv GO card with the 878a chip?

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mchou:

holy crap! New Season of House starts Tuesday!

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mchou:

bigdavediodes: r5.5?

[05:05:23]

mchou:

bigdavediodes: bttv? You are going to need some upgrades

[05:08:50]

bigdavediodes:

I will? What kind of upgrades?

[05:08:57]

bigdavediodes:

And thanks for posting, I wasn't expecting anyone to respond...

[05:09:34]

mchou:

bttv card is framegrabber. analog too

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mchou:

bigdavediodes: come on in to to world of HD :)

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bigdavediodes:

Yes, any way to make it work in r5.5?

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mchou:

I dont even know what r5.5 is

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bigdavediodes:

I don't have HD — we don't like that new fangled fancy electroniks talk 'round these here parts.

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Shadow__X:

hey everyone

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bigdavediodes:

It's a version of Knoppmyth — it's mythtv 0.21 something.

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bigdavediodes:

Howdy Shadow.

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mchou:

bigdavediodes: you dont need HD TV set. You just want to recieve the programs in HD

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mchou:

bigdavediodes: I dont use knoppmyth. But make sure tvtime or whatever works with your bttv card first

[05:12:23]

mchou:

HD programming plays with better picture quality even on older standard def TVs

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bigdavediodes:

That would require an HD signal...

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mchou:

bigdavediodes: how do you get your TV signal?

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psm321:

not everyone cares about video quality :)

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mchou:

psm321: what??

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psm321:

(says the person who compresses his shows down to 250mb/hour)

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mchou:

psm321: compression HD beats compression analog

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mchou:

especially using a POS bttv tuner

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psm321:

it's also more of a pain

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mchou:

there is no pain.

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Shadow__X:

uncompressed mpeg2 ftw!!!!!!

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psm321:

hey my bttv tuner served me well :) in fact it was my preferred tuner... only reason i had to get rid of it was it wouldnt play nice with my other tuners in my new motherboard

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mchou:

get a cableTV stb and record the HD feed from the svideo out

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mchou:

even that looks way better than the bttv tuner

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psm321:

umm stb's don't generally stick HD on the svideo out

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mchou:

psm321: you have no idea what you're talking about

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psm321:

at least none of mine ever have

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psm321:

mchou: yes i do.

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Shadow__X:

firewire out on stb FTW!!!!

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bigdavediodes:

Sigh...

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mchou:

psm321: virtually all cable STBs can reecieve HD and output SD

[05:16:54]

psm321:

mchou: don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about... i may not be an expert in all things but then i don't talk about it or i say i'm not sure

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psm321:

mchou: i have had 3 different types of cable STBs, none of them did that

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mchou:

psm321: lol

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mchou:

psm321: you have no idea what you're talking about!!!

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mchou:

so cableco have to replace STBs come Feb 2009? lol

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mchou:

psm321: dont be a dumb ass

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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psm321:

mchou: i think youre the one who doesnt know what youre talking about... digital != HD

[05:18:26]

mchou:

haha

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psm321:

mchou: anyways, this debate is pointless... i dont care whether you believe me

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mchou:

I never said digital was HD

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mrjojobobo:

hi, i was wondering if anyone has had any luck using the wintv hvr-1950

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psm321:

just wanted to make sure you weren't giving the wrong info, up to the audience to decide who to believe

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mchou:

psm321: dude, you're the one that's putting out wrong info

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psm321:

nope

[05:20:16]

mchou:

this is exactly what I said: [22:16] <mchou> psm321: virtually all cable STBs can reecieve HD and output SD

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psm321:

cable boxes do not translate HD to SD (except maybe some really fancy ones out there, but standard ones do not)... that's all i have to say on the subject

[05:20:45]

mchou:

yeah. Be in denial. [22:17] <mchou> so cableco have to replace STBs come Feb 2009? lol

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psm321:

why would they?

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mchou:

sigh....

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psm321:

like i said digital != HD

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mchou:

somehow that question implies digital==HD to you??

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psm321:

anyways i'm tired of arguing with someone who obviously doesn't know what they're talking about... good night.

[05:22:25]

mchou:

psm321: yeah, go scurry along

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mchou:

every single cable STB exept very old ones can receive HD and downscale that via Svideo out

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mchou:

except*

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: any reason you bought the hvr-1950 instead of going for a HDHomerun?

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: no reason actually, i figured haupaggue cards worked well enough in linux

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: bah

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: anyway, what's the issue with hvr1950?

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: i got dvb working with it, but i can't figure out how to get the analog to work

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mchou:

hmm. I'm afraid I wont be able to help you out there

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: does hvr1950 analog work with tvtime/xawtv?

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: or did you just mean myth

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: cause myth setup for that might be a bit tricky

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: actually it doesn't for either program

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mchou:

you cant get 1950 to work w/ tvtime/xawtv?

[05:41:31]

mrjojobobo:

mchou: tvtime doesn't can't use the device properly for some reason, and xawtv crashes

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mchou:

pastebin 'ls -al /dev/v4l'

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mchou:

is it even considered a v4l device??

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mrjojobobo:

i'm actually not sure, the directory doesn't exist in /dev

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mchou:

well, that's not a good sign :(

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mrjojobobo:

i can get some video if i just do this: `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpeg`

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mchou:

what your kernel version?

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mrjojobobo:

2.6.24–19 running ubuntu hardy

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mrjojobobo:

i compiled the v4l-dvb drivers from their mercurial repository

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mchou:

and?

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mrjojobobo:

well it worked with dvb

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mrjojobobo:

but thats about it

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mchou:

pastebin 'ls -al /dev/vid*'

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mchou:

also dmesg output would be nice too

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mrjojobobo:

http://pastebin.ca/1203104

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Decepticon:

mchou get what stuff?

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purserj:

hrmm, any project people around I want to ask a email list manners question

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mchou:

Decepticon: check your pm

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: dmesg looks pretty good

[05:58:57]

mchou:

"[ 33.130556] pvrusb2: registered device video0 [mpeg]"

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mchou:

but it says video0 is mpeg (presumably for dtv). What dev node should correspond to NTSC?

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: i'm not sure, i'm guessing its referring to the dvb device nodes

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: the video you got doing `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpeg` is DVB

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: are the any pvrusb2 utils than manipulate parameters on the device?

[06:06:20]

mchou:

s/than/that

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: not entirely sure, i'll have to peruse the documentation

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: seriously, let's just assume you have NTSC working on pvrusb2. How would you set up mythtv to record ATSC and NTSC on that device?

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: it's not entirely clear to me how you'd set that up. I mean it will have to be either ATSC exclusively/NTSC exclusively

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: that is exactly what i was thinking

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mchou:

so why bother with NTSC at all? :)

[06:13:37]

mrjojobobo:

although it would a whole lot of work for not much

[06:13:44]

mrjojobobo:

good point

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directhex:

sigh. it seems my ability to /ignore jackasses doesn't apply to backlog from my irc proxy

[06:14:32]

mrjojobobo:

i'll have to seriously consider the hdhomerun though

[06:14:36]

mrjojobobo:

that thing looks seriously cool

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mchou:

I think HDHomerun is a better value than hvr1950

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mchou:

HDHomeRun is a bit dorky looking though

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mchou:

so make sure you hide it in your wiring closet

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mrjojobobo:

heh

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: anyways thanks a bunch for your help

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mrjojobobo:

mchou: learned a little more than i wanted to know ;)

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mchou:

mrjojobobo: so you really gonna go for HDHR?

[06:23:42]

mrjojobobo:

mchou: highly likely, depending on how amazon handles the return

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

HDHR ppl owe me a commission

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bronson:

mchou, you're talking about http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHR-US-HDH . . . 4&sr=8-1 ?

[06:25:31]

mchou:

yup

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mchou:

that's the one

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bronson:

That looks seriously pricey... Why not just buy 2 HVR-950s?

[06:26:21]

bronson:

And spend the $40 you save on an RF remote? :)

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mchou:

I dunno. What's the street price of 950 these days?

[06:27:07]

bronson:

I got mine for $70 two months ago.

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mchou:

bronson: I have RF remotes coming out of my ass

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bronson:

You're lucky.

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bronson:

Do any of them work?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

they all work

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bronson:

Lucky x2 then.

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mchou:

I'd trade two for wiimote

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mchou:

I'd trade two for one wiimote

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bronson:

My keyspan has f'd up autorepeat... Really frustrating.

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bronson:

Haven't managed to figure out how to fix it yet.

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mchou:

I still think HDHomerun is still a better deal than 2x950

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mchou:

cause there is no driver mess

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mchou:

more of an appliance really

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mchou:

you can attach that to NASD and that'd be cool

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mchou:

or a mythbox server. Or even windows

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bronson:

wait... with NASD would it basically be a backend-in-a-box?

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mchou:

nah, you still need myth somewhere on the network

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clever:

ive got a slave mythbackend working inside colinux(which runs beside the windows kernel)

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clever:

it sounds like something that would work fine with hdhr also

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clever:

the only major roadblock would be that xv doesnt work within colinux so it cant play the stuff back with a frontend

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mchou:

bah. who cares about xv. UPnP

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clever:

upnp wont let you change the recording schedules

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mchou:

clever: so? Use mythweb

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clever:

lol that works:)

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mchou:

iphone even

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clever:

or mythfrontend thru xming(win32 x server)

[06:33:14]

clever:

or mythfrontend thru vnc

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mchou:

clever: let's not overcomplicate things

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clever:

i was using a frontend thru vnc when in a hotel

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clever:

its more stable then mythweb for my setup

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mchou:

no frigging way

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mchou:

vnc musta sucked

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clever:

if i load the recording list in mythweb it wants to generate a thumbnail for every single damn recording

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clever:

and load every png

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clever:

thats 300+ images

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mchou:

bah

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clever:

vnc is just a few frames to the recording list and its done!

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mchou:

that is retarded

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clever:

what part?

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mchou:

the thumbnail regen

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clever:

thats partialy because i havent touched mythweb in months

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clever:

so none of the images it cached are recent

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clever:

next, my master backend and mythweb host is only 400mhz, so it will take a while

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mchou:

bronson: another reason for HDHR is it does clearQAM

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mchou:

bronson: dont think 950s do QAM, unless you have info otherwise

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bronson:

Mine does QAM.

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bronson:

The newer ones do, I think they're called 950q or something.

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bronson:

Can't see myself ever using it though.

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mchou:

bronson: fair enough

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mchou:

bronson: where did you buy yours?

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bronson:

Amazon

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mchou:

bah

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bronson:

I try to shop local but nobody stocks TV tuners.

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bronson:

It really sucks.

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mchou:

where you live?

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bronson:

SF Bay Area.

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mchou:

what???

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mchou:

Frys??

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bronson:

North Bay, Fry's is 45 mins away.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

how about CC?

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bronson:

Central? Love those guys.

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bronson:

No tuners.

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mchou:

no, circuit city :)

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mchou:

Not central computers :)

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bronson:

Ah. I didn't think of them.

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bronson:

I checked Best Buy, they sucked more than Amazon.

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mchou:

bronson: I never go to worst buy

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bronson:

Probably a good call.

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mchou:

but I'd check CC on the web

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bronson:

I've looked at BB a few times but I don't think I've bought anything.

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mchou:

screw BB. I dont even know how those ppl manage to stay in bizness

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bronson:

Americans are dumb?

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mchou:

I mean that place is the posterchild for incompetence

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bronson:

Don't worry, the downturn will hit them hard. :)

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mchou:

seriously, I dont understand it at all

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mchou:

how CompUSA went under b4 BB is a mystery to me

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bronson:

agree 100%

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mchou:

my g/f bought me a gift cert for BB

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mchou:

It's been with me for 4 yrs lol

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mchou:

just cant bring myself to even step foot in there

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bronson:

Dude, give it to someone else?

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mchou:

nah, I'm too cheap :)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

pack rat

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bronson:

Maybe they stay in business by receiving free money via unused gift certificates?

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bronson:

That's, what, an infinite profit margin?

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mchou:

bingo

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mchou:

not quite infinite. They had to make the plastic card :)

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bronson:

Hm, Circuit City doesn't seem to have great deals.

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mchou:

bronson: I only buy stuff from CC when there's a rebate involved

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mchou:

bronson: that actually happens quite often

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mchou:

bronson: they also pricematch

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bronson:

that's a good point.

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mchou:

so if you pricematch + rebate you really come out ahead

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mchou:

they pricematch only local B&M, iirc

[07:02:30]

mchou:

but anyway, you get the idea

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mchou:

not like BB's "fake" pricematch

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mchou:

if you pricematch at BB, their rebate is void

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mchou:

what a bunch of dorks

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nallic:

is anyone using the PS3 as a frontend via UPNP ?

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Gokee2:

Whats a Security Pin? I am trying to setup my frontend after a reinstall and it says none is set and I need to run mythtv-setup to set one.

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Gokee2:

Looks like the problem is I can`t connect to the remote database. "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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Gokee2:

I have all the configuration files set for 192.168.0.2 though. Any idea`s on why it would try and connect to localhost?

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Gokee2:

Nevermind it had to do with some permision setting

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Sulx:

use mythtv doesn't have access

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Sulx:

user

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** justinh chuckles. a Pop-Up Pirate USB hub indeed. heheh **

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mchou:

Frigging Wall St. finally paying the piper

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JoshBorke:

/exit

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jblack:

I don't know how much anyone here cares about the stock market, but the futures for the US market are down almost 380 points. WTFOMG type stuff.

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justinh:

it affects us all one way or the other, however indirectly

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justinh:

and yet again it'll be the financially poor it'll affect most. oh well, at least I'm alright for now :)

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feltis:

why would the poor be most affected? It seems to me they would be the least likely to have any major interaction with the US stock market.

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justinh:

that would be being directly affected by stock market changes. I didn't say that

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justinh:

think of the bigger picture

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justinh:

longer term

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justinh:

I'm not going to shed a tear for some greedy-ass stockbroking type who loses his house

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feltis:

neither would I, I know how it affects me. Stock market sucking == longer till retirement.

[11:22:44]

feltis:

sorry I didn't mean you said that it would directly affect them, I know it affects the creation of jobs that might increase low income employment through loss of venture capital.

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justinh:

I might as well not have a pension, the amount I can afford to pay into it

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justinh:

I really do hope I die before I get old :)

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feltis:

I stopped major contributions to my pension/stock purchase plan/401k awhile ago, I do alternate investing ATM

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justinh:

well, too old to look after myself I mean :)

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feltis:

heh

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feltis:

I hear that

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justinh:

I think the average 'man on the street' probably isn't going to pay much attention to that part of the news today – I mean, he doesn't trade in shares, so he's ok, right? ;)

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feltis:

well, its all about diversifying investmens, and there are more ways to invest money than in stocks and that sort of things

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mchou:

you guys are naive. US major banks/market failing means the US dallar falls as a currency. It affects all of us in the US

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mchou:

dollar*

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mchou:

That's the least of our problems though

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mchou:

Friggin Greenspan and his mumbo jumbo voodoo economics led us here

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quicksilver:

actually the dollar has gained nearly 4c on the pound

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quicksilver:

in this morning's trading

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quicksilver:

pretty weird.

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mchou:

quicksilver: just wait a bit

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mchou:

bear stearns and Lehman is only the beginning

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mchou:

I agree with Bernacke though, cut the banks off from the govt teat

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mchou:

there is not going to be any one way bets here

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mchou:

Ultimate irony is that it happened on Republican watch

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mchou:

so much for fiscal conservatism

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mchou:

Democrats are gonna take names and kick ass

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mchou:

lol. Now IMF is stepping in

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mchou:

we've officially become a banana republic with no bananas

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mchou:

IMF stability assessment

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** justinh wonders if Wait Til Your Father Gets Home is available on DVD **

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gbee:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068148/dvd

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justinh:

found it on amazon. don't think I'd shell out for it – didn't like it that much]

[13:23:09]

dustybin:

now this is strange

[13:23:57]

dustybin:

inside my /etc/exports, my PXE mount looks like this

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dustybin:

/opt/ltsp *(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)

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dustybin:

notice, the rw

[13:24:14]

dustybin:

however if i issue a mount on the PXE client it says this:

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dustybin:

192.168.1.65:/opt/ltsp/i386 on / type nfs (ro,vers=3,rsize=131072,wsize=131072,namlen=255,hard,nointr,nolock,proto=tcp,tim eo=7,retrans=10,sec=sys,mountproto=udp,addr=192.168.1.65)

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dustybin:

notice, the ro, read-only

[13:24:39]

dustybin:

why is it mounting it read-only?

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gbee:

heh, mp4 aac completely breaks kaffeine

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laga_:

dustybin: i was running into similar issues. i think it was a kernel bug. are you specifying -o rw on the client?

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laga_:

dustybin: on the other hand, LTSP doesn't need to write to the nfs root.

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dustybin:

laga_: where abouts should i specify -o rw ?

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dustybin:

my exports file on my server says rw

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laga_:

dustybin: when mounting the share

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dustybin:

laga_: so that means the /etc/fstab on my client?

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laga_:

um

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dustybin:

which is pretty much empty

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laga_:

what exactly are you trying to do there?

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laga_:

it's normal AFAIK that the share is mounted ro

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laga_:

it's by design

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justinh:

?

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dustybin:

im not sure what file my PXE client reads to mount the nfs

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laga_:

on LTSP.

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dustybin:

right ill take a look

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laga_:

dustybin: it doesnt read a file, it has built-in defaults. the share is mounted in the initramfs

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** justinh looks in the log **

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justinh:

.. and chuckles

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laga_:

the defaults can be overriden in some way i guess, but i never used it on debian

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dustybin:

right i see

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dustybin:

my dhcpd.conf says this

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dustybin:

filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";

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dustybin:

next-server 192.168.1.65;

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dustybin:

option root-path "192.168.1.65:/opt/ltsp/i386";

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laga_:

on a vanilla LTSP install, mounting the share RW doesn't gain you anything because it's used in a unionfs

[13:43:09]

laga_:

yeah, that'd be it

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dustybin:

so the first file it looks at is pxelinux.0 ?

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laga_:

no, the path is determined by the root-path option. pxelinux.0 is the pxelinux loader which is loaded into your PXE stack and fetches the kernel and friends

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dustybin:

laga_:

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dustybin:

inside the pxelinux.cfg dir there is a file called 'default'

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dustybin:

it reads this:

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dustybin:

DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs

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dustybin:

ill replace the ro with rw

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dustybin:

then reboot the bastard :-)

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laga_:

no, that's related to the kernel itself IIRC

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dustybin:

it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no errors

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dustybin:

thank you :-)

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laga_:

what exactly are you trying to do?

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dustybin:

when i tried to do stuff before it kept on complaining about read-only filesystem

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dustybin:

now you have sorted it for me

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laga_:

hum. i guess the debian scripts do things differently

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dustybin:

now both interfaces have appeared, and it boots without any errors :-)

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laga_:

are trying to use that for mythtv?

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dustybin:

the thing i dont understand, how does it boot so fast? it still has to read the os off the disk like any other computer?

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dustybin:

so why is it so fast at booting?

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dustybin:

laga_: yes im building a frontend

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laga_:

it doesnt load a lot of the stuff that's loaded by default i guess

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laga_:

and maybe the server already has these files in cache so they are served faster

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dustybin:

right ok

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dustybin:

it takes about 5 seconds to boot

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dustybin:

thats faster than any SKY box :-)

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laga_:

dustybin: if you get bored, you can take a look at the ltsp package in ubuntu. it comes with an mythbuntu plugin which sets up a mythbuntu box. of course, that won't work with debian without some modifications, but it could get you started.

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dustybin:

im going to compile the frontend myself

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dustybin:

going to use fluxbox as the window manager

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laga_:

the nice thing about that plugin is that it is easy to add new clients. each clients gets its own overlay directory so they share a common base install but can have different settings

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dustybin:

ok ill take a look

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laga_:

yeah, or look at the kiosk plugin, that's a good starting point for making your own plugin if you feel like hacking ;)

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laga_:

dustybin: you will also need the mythbuntu-diskless packages for that (which should work on debian)

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dustybin:

before one starts hacking one must learn to script

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laga_:

happy hacking, LTSP is a very nice toy. i've got to do some homework now ;)

[13:53:27]

dustybin:

indeed it is, thanks for help

[13:54:08]

Josh_Borke:

i have a problem wyth mi Kworld atsc 115 adapter. in order to change channels I have to remove "modprobe -r tuner && modprobe -r tuner_simple && modprobe tuner_simple && modprobe tuner" after every reboot

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Josh_Borke:

has anyone else run in to something like that before?

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justinh:

never bothered with LTSP.. just used atftpd :)

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justinh:

I should probably bin the mythbuntu install – it's doing loads more stuff than it needs to

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laga_:

justinh: you can also think of LTSP as a nice framework for diskless based stuff. i dont have much use for thin clients myself ;=)

[14:04:15]

justinh:

going to take a couple of days off soon – might mess about with the frontend then

[14:04:31]

justinh:

the boot time isn't slow, but could be much faster

[14:04:41]

justinh:

plus it's doing all kinds of things it shouldn't be

[14:06:10]

justinh:

this wasn't so much a diskless install – it was on HDD but copied to an nfs share, changed fstab & away it goes ;)

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laga_:

i swear i'm gonna stab kpdf in the face if it keeps grabbing my sound device. this is 2008!

[14:09:33]

justinh:

wait a minute – isn't a terminal server client basically just a display that never runs a real app?

[14:10:02]

laga_:

yes

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laga_:

unless you build a fat client

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justinh:

as in the very last thing you'd ever want to run mythfrontend on? ;)

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laga_:

i guess he'll find out about that and fix it ;)

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gbee:

what does kpdf need with the sound device?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

[ot rant] I hate stupid people... One of my co-workers is bitching because she can't access our company mailserver in Houston, and wondering when they're going to have it back up. She said "it would be nice if they sent out a communication though" <- what a dumba$$...

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laga_:

the real dumbass is probably the guy who doesnt realize there are other means of communication than email ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

laga_: That too... I told her to switch over to the NY server, and she complained about that too... just can't please some people...

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leprechau:

hrm

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leprechau:

why not have one single mailserver hostname and have users get directed to their closest regional server based on account id with auto failover?

[14:31:34]

leprechau:

that's how we setup our last multi server/multi site large company

[14:31:39]

leprechau:

using qmail-ldap

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leprechau:

then you don't have those problems

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** laga_ breaks leprechau's DNS **

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leprechau:

ehh dns was setup with bind-dlz with a mysql backend and multiple round-robin masters using a common instant live update database backend

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

leprechau: yeah, that's the right way to do it... ;-) But I'm not in the IT department, I'm a Technical Analyst with our Tandem systems... ;-)

[14:34:40]

leprechau:

you would have to take out at least 3 servers to bring dns down

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laga_:

oh, someone won the buzzword bingo :)

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laga_:

nice setup, though

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leprechau:

J-e-f-f-A|work, it's a shame...you would probably do a better job than the people who are supposed to be doing it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

leprechau: No $hit... our Firewall 'expert' is anything but....

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx

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leprechau:

that's what my company does....we implement opensource software solutions for medium to large businesses to improve their network security, bottom line cost, and overall functionality and reilability

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has to go to a meeting... back in a bit... **

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leprechau:

later

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jblack:

Cmon. Surely you can throw in another buzzword. How about "LAMP", or "decentralized" ?

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leprechau:

hehe

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leprechau:

it would have been FAMP i guess....they were FreeBSD servers

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gbee:

lamp's really not cutting edge

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laga_:

i'm missing "unified" in that list ;)

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leprechau:

on a more mythtv note....anyone tried one of these?

[14:40:39]

leprechau:

http://3btech.net/asp3pusmfofa.html

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gbee:

the good buzzwords are the ones you can confuse everyone with because they've never heard them before

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jblack:

"A high reliability redundant decentralized system with centralized command and controll"

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leprechau:

ASUS P3-PH5 PUNDIT

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gbee:

the more meaningless or redundant a buzzword, the higher the score

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justinh:

looks nice. better if it comes in silver though

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MilkBoy:

mmm.. I was thinking about that one actually. need to upgrade my box soonish

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leprechau:

http://3btech.net/asp2smfofaba2.html

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leprechau:

there is another one

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gbee:

I used to like the Pundit range a lot

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leprechau:

that i also like...even has integrated optical audio out

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gbee:

not sure about the first one – no HDMI or even DVI

[14:44:19]

gbee:

second one is better IMHO

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justinh:

apart from the virtical=ness of it

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leprechau:

it just shows it with the stand on it

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leprechau:

that comes off and it will lay horizontal

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justinh:

hrm

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leprechau:

with the vent at the top

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justinh:

it's no mac mini though :)

[14:45:35]

justinh:

but then, nor is the price :)

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gbee:

justinh: depends on your setup, the vertical 'book' format would stand quiet nicely next to my TV

[14:46:23]

justinh:

once my overdraft is paid off & my new bay window is installed, I can think about a mini :)

[14:46:40]

leprechau:

yeah the price is sweet

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nallic:

is anyone using the Playstation 3 as a frontend via UPNP ? Or in general just using UPNP ?

[14:46:45]

leprechau:

sub $90

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gbee:

wanted a book form Pundit for a long time, but could never get the right models in the UK – continually out of stock

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nallic:

is it possible to have the backend detect the upnp access and stay active (it auto shuts down the PC – upnp does not count as a frontend client apparently)

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GreyFoxx:

nallic: I use upnp via djmount here in my office

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AndyCap:

gbee: had one pundit, noisy bugger.

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GreyFoxx:

nall: Ahh , no the backend has no support for that

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nallic:

GreyFoxx: ok. Do you use mythshutdown also ?

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GreyFoxx:

Though I suspect that's mainly because noone has suggested we check for it :)

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gbee:

leprechau: price is great, could never get one over here for less than twice that

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GreyFoxx:

No I do not

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justinh:

£107.94 inc VAT :(

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nallic:

GreyFoxx: ok :) .. I would suggest it :)

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justinh:

damn power misers. you won't save the planet! give up :-O

[14:49:22]

nallic:

I use the mythbacked to record.. programmed via mythweb

[14:49:31]

nallic:

and then a playstation to play the recordings

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laga_:

there are some "new" antec fusion cases. same one as before, but W/O a PSU and with a remote. and there's a bigger version of it, too

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nallic:

the playpart works fine.. but i need to ssh and mythshutdown -l to lock the shutdown

[14:50:10]

nallic:

maybe i could just make a script to ping the PS3 .. and issue the -u when its down

[14:50:16]

nallic:

nut thats a hack :)

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Gimpy:

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justinh:

a very viable hack

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justinh:

but how does the backend wake up?

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nallic:

justinh: power.. and noise :)

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justinh:

you kinda need the backend on for upnp to work in thw first place

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gbee:

nallic: well I'd assume that you want the backend to shutdown when you aren't using it, so when you aren't in the room ... so noise isn't really a factor

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nallic:

justinh: yes.. but that ok. the backed sits right next to the PS3

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nallic:

but the PS plays HD nicely and it has HDMI to the TV

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nallic:

+ a nice wireless remote

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dustybin:

is there a way to turn off the backend code from compiling, when i hit ./configure --disable-backend it still shows:

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dustybin:

Frontend yes

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justinh:

if it was me I'd just use a myth box

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dustybin:

Backend yes

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nallic:

it could run the frontend too

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nallic:

but not so well..

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GreyFoxx:

dusty: Why bother, honestly ?

[14:52:35]

GreyFoxx:

It's not a waste of space

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

its small anyway

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dustybin:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

and my remote is wireless. not RF though, but it's the only one I need for the TV., amp & mythbox :)

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dustybin:

im now compiling mythtv on my PXE frontend :-)

[14:53:43]

nallic:

justinh: well.. I used the frontend for a long time too.. and ill probably miss it too

[14:53:49]

nallic:

but this is an experiment :)

[14:53:56]

nallic:

so far i like the PS3 as a frontend

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laga_:

dustybin: and it used to break dependency checking AFAIK

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dustybin:

ok

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nallic:

the recordings are nicely organised via upnp too

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justinh:

I hate Sony's UI

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dustybin:

ive noticed blootube and project g are now in fixes themes

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justinh:

that cross thing

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wagnerrp:

well my city is without power

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nallic:

ultimatively sony had made the dualboot a little more fluid

[14:55:46]

nallic:

its too damn bothersome to swith back and forth..

[14:56:08]

nallic:

it should just ask at power up .. X = linux, O = gameos

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wagnerrp:

nallic: yeah, you have to boot, go into settings, switch os, reboot

[14:56:42]

wagnerrp:

maybe instead have it set as a different user profile

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nallic:

wagnerrp: yes.. too annoying

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wagnerrp:

when you have multiple profiles, it asks at boot which one to log into

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wagnerrp:

one profile would just reboot to linux

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wagnerrp:

i never figured out how to switch back, i always end up having to hold the power button in

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nallic:

wagnerrp: ok.. but it chooses os before selecting profiles as it is now i think

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

nallic: My son's using a UPnP player as a player. But my backend runs 24x7.

[14:58:13]

nallic:

wagnerrp: theres a command to switch back: ps3-boot-gameos

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nallic:

wagnerrp: unfortunately it disturbs the bluetooth hardware when linux runs

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nallic:

so it needs a complete powercycle to recover

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nallic:

meaning i need to leave the couch

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justinh:

damn

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justinh:

what a bummer, having to physically move!

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nallic:

justinh: but i think thats only if bluetooth runs

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wagnerrp:

i really wish there was a way to use WOL

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nallic:

justinh: exactly – everything should be controllable by mind

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wagnerrp:

the PSP can turn it on remotely, but i never figured out a way to make it boot into linux

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nallic:

justinh: except for the body

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justinh:

come to think about it, I have to get up from the couch to make a cup of tea, or to go to the toilet – think of all the time I could save if I could do all that on the couch!

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wagnerrp:

i previously had aspirations of learning to program on the cell, and it would have been nice to be able to boot it to linux from my desk

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nallic:

justinh: you could of cause just move the boiler and the frontend to the toilet

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

When i was in 9th grade I hooked up a 'remote control' system to my b&w tv in my room, I made a ratchet mechanism on the channel-change knob and ran a string over my headboard. One pull per channel change... ;-)

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nallic:

and order food out :)

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** justinh suspects that even with mind control, people will complain at having to think.. so much effort :P **

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nallic:

ill stop this conversation from here

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you could disguise your throne in the recliner

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dustybin:

apt-get build-dep is a lovely command

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nallic:

wagnerrp: isn't that a simpsons episode ?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, but i think i saw it on home improvement

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nallic:

:D

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trevor:

wagnerrp: myth will wark with a remote controle? will it work with the beyondtv firefly?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or, as suggested by employers: http://www.guzer.com/pictures/office_pot.jpg

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dustybin:

justinh: have you ever come across a bit of hardware that your 100% happy with?

[15:04:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

"With this new office set up workers will never have to take a bathroom break again. From now on they can just go while they are on the phone with a customer. :)"

[15:04:10]

nallic:

well.. maybe I could get up to power down the backend too – after all. :)

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nallic:

btw.. when using "mythshutdown -c" as the checker function

[15:05:27]

nallic:

is it possible too hook up other checker scripts ?

[15:05:47]

nallic:

.. or do i need to write my own wrapper which calls mythshutdown ?

[15:07:42]

whodat:

if i reboot mythtv when my cable box is down, it starts the setup program as if its a first time setup.. when i turn the the cable modem and reboot mythtv it starts normally.. what would cause this?

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whodat:

the box is behind my gateway box, so it uses a 192.168 IP, so its not like the IP or hostname of the box changes....

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nallic:

whodat: maybe it fails to look up a DNS name ?

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nallic:

have you entered ip's or hostnames ?

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PatrickDK:

heh, probably your cablemodem is giving out dynamic or static ips

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PatrickDK:

and your computer is setup for dhcp

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justinh:

a woman dials 999 after being sold a rabbit with non-floppy ears.. .. they couldn't make this stuff up!

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gbee:

sad thing is that they abandoned the idea of having a national, non-emergency number which would automatically be redirected to your local station

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gbee:

hands up how many people know the number of their local police station without reference to a phone book?

[15:31:41]

justinh:

our 'local' station isn't even anywhere near!

[15:31:47]

justinh:

it's a 15 minute drive away

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justinh:

the nearest one is a 5 minute walk away

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** GreyFoxx raises hand **

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GreyFoxx:

heh we always had a 4 digit shortcode here in Halifax to get to the Police, and another for fire

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GreyFoxx:

both still work, but most use 911 now of course

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justinh:

gbee: never knew that about the idea for a nationmal non-emergency number

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GreyFoxx:

4105 was the police, 4106 was fire. But none uses those any more hehe

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justinh:

souds eminently sensible

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gbee:

justinh: they trialled it last year, forget why it was abandoned, but it was a very good idea probably killed by bureaucracy

[15:34:38]

justinh:

not 7447 for the police?

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justinh:

gbee: non-emergency calls are handled by regional centres anyway

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justinh:

if you happen to catch them 'out of hours' – which is realistically when you're likely to need em

[15:36:23]

gbee:

true

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gbee:

here it's a full 08000 number

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justinh:

the mind has to boggle at those numpties though. Imagine how they'd feel when subjected to a REAL emergency :D

[15:40:33]

justinh:

"hello? Oh, I don't know what serice I require... my mythtv box is saying it can't locate the master backend server"

[15:41:02]

jblack:

I almost larted you, before I noticed your nick. :)

[15:41:04]

justinh:

"BUT MY WIFE WANTS TO WATCH EASTENDERS!"

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jblack:

what is eastenders?

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justinh:

you don't know? ignorance really is bliss, believe me

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gbee:

justinh: as I keep telling you, that's a feature, not a bug

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jblack:

hmmm. I can't decide which is worse; american tv, or british tv.

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Dibblah:

Japanese.

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justinh:

I mean people coming on IRC for help with tech stuff is one thing, phoning an emergency service because a car has soaked you by driving through a puddle... that's something else :P

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mintee:

yo, where's that setting for tuning.. I'm only getting the first 13 stations in my cablebroadcast. Supposed to go up to like 80+

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Dibblah:

"let's see how much we can degrade these people before their psyches crack!"

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justinh:

jblack: American

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gbee:

depends when you take it as a whole, or by comparising best against best

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jblack:

seems to me that they are both really bad, in different ways.

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justinh:

US TV would still win the competition to be worst all-round

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justinh:

we don't get Geraldo here

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jblack:

nor do I.

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justinh:

then again, you guys don't have Hollyoaks

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gbee:

or Fox News

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jblack:

oh geesh. Don't use the F word around me.

[15:45:13]

gbee:

or Spooks Code 9 *shudder*

[15:45:21]

justinh:

I watched a bit of Casualty the other night. Christ on a pogo stick!

[15:45:38]

jblack:

I still miss lost and house.

[15:45:58]

justinh:

Lost must be like Twin Peaks. You had to be there

[15:46:16]

jblack:

Yeah, it is.

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justinh:

people either seem to love it, or just go ?????????????????

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justinh:

I'm one of the latter btw ;)

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jblack:

Yeah. Missing more than one episode, and you're off in WTFland for a bit.

[15:47:17]

justinh:

gbee: I just deleted all of them without watching a single episode

[15:47:45]

jblack:

Gee aptitude. Thanks for killing firefox without a warning.

[15:47:47]

gbee:

justinh: watched 3 minutes before I couldn't stand it anymore

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jblack:

Lost is for people with too much free time.

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justinh:

I didn't even see a trailer for it as such – heard a dialogue clip on the radio & that made my mind up

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justinh:

pity, cos that Georgia Moffet is quite cute

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justinh:

wheee that's all the remaining 'Back To You' deleted too

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justinh:

not as lame as Friends ever was, but I can see why it was cancelled

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jblack:

hmmm. worst show ever....

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gbee:

not a fan of canned laughter sitcoms, though I enjoyed Frasier and gave Back To You a chance on that basis alone

[15:52:42]

jblack:

Cop Rock was rather bad.

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trevor:

what do i compile lirc with for MCE remote and ir blaster?

[15:52:53]

wagnerrp:

cop rock? never heard of it

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jblack:

I can't even explain it.

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jblack:

um... cops, social issues, as a serialized musical. And lots of dancing.

[15:54:01]

justinh:

sounds lame, and not in a good way

[15:54:17]

wagnerrp:

Gimpy: try transmitter, mceusb and mceusb2

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** jblack looks for help from youtube **

[15:55:23]

justinh:

treas a rough guess I'd say you compile it to support an MCE remote & ir blaster

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jblack:

This is representative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKaZbzXNYg

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** jblack vomits **

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: :-) as soon a i wrote then , the next page i clicked on had it

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wagnerrp:

this was a tv show?

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jblack:

If you held your stomach for that one, try this other cop rock snippit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euk1N0zVyww

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jblack:

(that latter one is country musak)

[15:57:42]

jblack:

Yes. A weekly, prime time television show, in the 80s

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wagnerrp:

won two emmys

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** wagnerrp feels as if he has died a little inside **

[15:58:56]

jblack:

Yeah, feel it country hick sergeant dude, with the organ, telling his boys "to be careful out there!"

[15:59:04]

wagnerrp:

they actaully made it to 11 episodes?

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justinh:

Casualty is funny. They set it all up from miles off. Woman getting stroppy kid ready for school, kid throws breakfast across the room. In car now, kid still acting up. Woman turns around while driving, to yell at child, car rams into roadworks, volleys into side of plate glass cactus factory, rupturing a gas main & hovering over the edge of a vat of boiling acid

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jblack:

I honestly don't remember. I only saw one.

[15:59:40]

dustybin:

Gimpy: have you got that MCE remote working

[15:59:48]

jblack:

justinh: So, can you beat cop rock?

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dustybin:

i will be doing the same thing soem time this week

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gbee:

justinh: saw that one, it was 10 years ago right?

[16:00:13]

justinh:

gbee: yeah – they've made it even more ridiculous now

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justinh:

jblack: I dunno – I'm at work so can't inflict those youtube clips on myself ;)

[16:01:30]

jblack:

You should thank your boss.

[16:01:42]

jblack:

This is some serious NSFH material.

[16:02:02]

justinh:

iut's not my boss' policy – it's more that the internet spike will alert the IT dept

[16:02:15]

wagnerrp:

if google moves their data centers into international waters to avoid government regulations, does that put them at risk for piracy?

[16:02:37]

jblack:

That's why they'll end up getting a navy.

[16:02:38]

wagnerrp:

i mean the big brutish guy with guns and speed boats

[16:03:01]

wagnerrp:

not some pimply geek disseminating brittney spears music over P2P

[16:03:02]

justinh:

oh you mean at risk of pirates?

[16:03:03]

jblack:

In 2016, google is going to be renamed skynet.

[16:03:22]

justinh:

jblack: we've got skynet already. look it up

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justinh:

and it's a system of satellites...

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dustybin:

skynew = terminator films

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dustybin:

skynet

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justinh:

for a defense system

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dustybin:

aye

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: way to go on that one

[16:03:47]

justinh:

hardly a fortuitous name IMHO

[16:03:57]

gbee:

yeah, skynet 5 was launched this year

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: after looking into a discless client (talked about last night) wouldn't that create more problem with bottle necks when accessing the backend because the image is loaded into ram and what it it is retrieving frod the back end would be loaded into ram also?

[16:04:27]

wagnerrp:

yes

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justinh:

hmmm there's not been a good RoTM story on el reg for a while

[16:04:34]

wagnerrp:

ram is cheap, its not a problem

[16:04:37]

jblack:

gimpy: It can. Don't scrimp on network io for TV.

[16:05:10]

justinh:

damnit, people on my ignore list are becoming as annoying when I can't bleddy say what they're saying

[16:05:16]

justinh:

s/say/see

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: I am having troble seeing the advantage of a discless client over just crating a second box and just setting my backend to a the box im currently on ( i'm looking at using a PIII for my other frontend)

[16:06:19]

justinh:

my frontend has 1GB ram & seems fine

[16:06:23]

justinh:

no swap, either

[16:07:17]

justinh:

advantages of diskless boxes are as follows: less noise, less heat. no slower than real HDDs

[16:07:21]

wagnerrp:

the concept is that you get an SFF machine, relatively low power, no moving parts

[16:07:22]

Gimpy:

but if i'm streaming a dvd wouldn't the dvd be a little sluggish

[16:07:37]

wagnerrp:

rather than your old P3 in a full tower sitting next to your machine

[16:07:53]

wagnerrp:

what kind of network do you have?

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justinh:

100mbit

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wagnerrp:

err... next to your tv

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justinh:

boots up in way under a minute

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jblack:

Oh man! How did I miss celebrity boxing? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Boxing)

[16:08:44]

jblack:

Todd Bridges Vs. Vanilla ice? Awesome!

[16:08:50]

Gimpy:

its a little of everything it seems 10/100, gigabit,802.11g

[16:08:53]

justinh:

jblack: yay another step closer to Celebrity DeathMatch ! :D

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dustybin:

ive compiled the whole of mythtv on my pxe client, when i launch mythtv-setup, the screen goes red?! how odd

[16:09:11]

dustybin:

maybe it doesnt like my intel chipset

[16:09:22]

wagnerrp:

gimpy: when you have a network boot machine, it caches everything it needs in memory, meaning it has near instant access to whatever system files it wants

[16:09:24]

justinh:

Gimpy: but if you're streaming a DVD? WTF kind of biotrate do you think DVD is?

[16:09:30]

wagnerrp:

the only thing you would be streaming would be the video

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justinh:

*bitrate

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wagnerrp:

and even DVDs are only 5–10Mbit

[16:10:04]

wagnerrp:

more likely, you would be streaming a ripped/compressed video file at ~1Mbit

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justinh:

even so ...

[16:10:24]

wagnerrp:

wireless sucks, but it should handle it without issue

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wagnerrp:

wired wouldnt even notice that kind of bandwidth being used

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justinh:

I don't like wireless for video. it's not that it isn't fast enough.. it's not _constant_ enough

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wagnerrp:

so how long before google decides to just buy an island and separate into their own political entity

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Gimpy:

justinh: i don't like wireless much either for that but i don't have much of a choice (reneing) so can't punch holes and running cable along the wall is "ugly"

[16:12:48]

justinh:

tell

[16:12:49]

justinh:

you

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justinh:

what's

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justinh:

ugly

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wagnerrp:

jerky video?

[16:13:02]

justinh:

video playing back in bits, like that :D

[16:13:22]

Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i would had thought google would had done that already

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justinh:

YMMV, but I can't get my laptop to stream video from my home nework reliably in linux

[16:14:00]

Gimpy:

justinh: well its not a streight path and i don't see a good way to conceal it

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justinh:

not even in the same room as the router damnit

[16:14:23]

justinh:

works great in windows

[16:14:52]

wagnerrp:

http://cableorganizer.com/

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wagnerrp:

check out the surface raceways

[16:16:10]

Gimpy:

justinh: if i change from 802.11 g to 802.11N i should have no problem wieh streaming video, with G I would have no problem if the G was only used for myth

[16:16:25]

wagnerrp:

n has the same problem as g

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wagnerrp:

g has plenty of bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

its just susceptible to interference

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justinh:

speed isn't the problem. Continuity is

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: video streams at approx 23MB/sec and N just increase the distence

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wagnerrp:

run a microwave, start talking on a cordless phone, your video with hang

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justinh:

Gimpy: WTF are you talking about?

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wagnerrp:

what the hell are you using that consumes 23MB/s?

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justinh:

it's not 23MB a second

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wagnerrp:

blu-ray isnt even that high bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

uncompressed DV uses that much bandwidth

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Gimpy:

justinh: that is the rate vido streams at

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justinh:

no it isn't

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wagnerrp:

what video?

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justinh:

video streams at : WHATEVER THE RATE OF THE VIDEO IS

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Gimpy:

the bandwitrch required to stream video

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wagnerrp:

where are you getting this information?

[16:18:43]

wagnerrp:

or are you just pulling this out of your ass

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Gimpy:

justinh: then what rate does vidto stream at?

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wagnerrp:

what kind of video?

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PatrickDK:

for hdtv stream? about 20mbit/sec

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justinh:

Gimpy: depends on the video- but nothing of the order of 23 MEGABYTES/sec

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Gimpy:

i head this from an instucter for multimedia

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Gimpy:

any vieo according to this instructer

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PatrickDK:

gimpy your probably misunderstood the instructor

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dustybin:

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mythtv-setup is now running on my PXE frontend

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PatrickDK:

video steams at hundreds of thousands of rates

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wagnerrp:

every video ever made consumes 23MB/s?

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justinh:

PatrickDK: don't ever rule out instructors talking bollocks

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PatrickDK:

justinh, ya, but most of the times it isn't :)

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wagnerrp:

damned if only that were true, HDMI wouldnt need to carry several gbps

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justinh:

23MB/sec sounds like uncompressed NTSC

[16:21:03]

wagnerrp:

justinh: maybe, i came up with 27.5MB/s

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wagnerrp:

depends on what resolution your consider for vertical i guess

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PatrickDK:

525 technically :)

[16:22:02]

PatrickDK:

and I guess it depends how you encode the bits

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure DV tape is 25MB/s

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justinh:

it's about that

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PatrickDK:

yuy2, or just 32bit rgb

[16:23:00]

wagnerrp:

what use is 32-bit rgb?

[16:23:13]

PatrickDK:

I dunno :)

[16:23:18]

PatrickDK:

but some people I'm sure use it

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justinh:

anyway, as far as mythtv is concerned, dealing with broadcast video or DVDs – you're e talking about a MAX of around 20Mb/sec. That's a little 'b' as in BITS

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: no they way i understood it is that if your going to stream video over a network it will require 23Mb/s only because it is "re-encorded" before it is sent out on the wire/ air

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wagnerrp:

i thought the extra 8-bit was for alpha channels used internally to the video card

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wagnerrp:

MB/s or Mb/s? they are two completely different things

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wagnerrp:

and nothing gets encoded/decoded/recoded/transcoded/shitcoded

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wagnerrp:

its just a direct file stream

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wagnerrp:

any coding is done by the frontend

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PatrickDK:

heh, shitcoded

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wagnerrp:

thats where you print each frame, and then smear feces on it

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justinh:

Gilbert & george invented that codec

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: i may be slightly wrong i'm spountin this out from memmory (about 6 months ago, i think i may be a little of on the TX #)

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PatrickDK:

all I want to say is, damn, youtube really sucks up the bandwidth, cause I was sure it was only using 200kbps :)

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justinh:

PatrickDK: hey those spikes get switch ports noticed round here

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PatrickDK:

heh

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justinh:

somebody downloads a meg & a beeper sonds downstairs

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justinh:

*sounds

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justinh:

damn lag – I blame youtube usage at work

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PatrickDK:

hmm

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justinh:

wtf? somebody is selling a PSU with a built-in USB hub?

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justinh:

http://www.scan.co.uk/product.aspx?ProductId=23425

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wagnerrp:

sure, because everyone needs more ports at the BACK of their computer

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justinh:

USB ports in the same enclosure as high voltage PSU components.. myyers

[16:34:42]

wagnerrp:

is that a voltage switch i see on the back?

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justinh:

yup

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dustybin:

i have a strange database connection problem on the frontend, i can connect to the database from the frontend ok with: mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.65 mythtv

[16:35:22]

dustybin:

however, mythtv-setup says 'cannot login to the database?'

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wagnerrp:

i thought one of the byproducts of incorporating circuitry that provided high efficiency, was that you no longer needed a voltage switch

[16:35:41]

wagnerrp:

i cant believe their claim of 85%

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wagnerrp:

besides that, Hiper sounds like another Ultra

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gbee:

justinh: I guess that's wasted space otherwise, putting USB ports there at least lets you expand rear connectivity

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wagnerrp:

gbee: you expand rear connectivity at the detriment of cooling capacity

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justinh:

stil though.. hey I know, let's put this USB hub somewhere nice & hot

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gbee:

no less cooling than you'd get from a matx sized PSU

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wagnerrp:

even if it is 85% efficient, thats still over 100W sustained that they have to dissipate

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wagnerrp:

the was that case is set up, it now dumps it directly into your case

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PatrickDK:

it doesn't say if it supports usb2.0

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wagnerrp:

and right back into its own fan

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PatrickDK:

if 1.x, only really useful for keyboards/mouse/...

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gbee:

880W is an insanely high rating for a PSU

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wagnerrp:

not really, not anymore

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PatrickDK:

880w when used in a freezer :)

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justinh:

all hail UWB, yet another contender for radio bandwidth in your home

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wagnerrp:

you get two high eng graphics cards, and theyll suck up 400+W on their own

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dustybin:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null)

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dustybin:

never come across that before

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wagnerrp:

you forgot to compile QT3 with database support

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dustybin:

oh hell

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gbee:

no it's insane, no machine should need that much – whether or not SLI'd GPUs draw that much it should be a wakeup call

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wagnerrp:

youre right, it is insane

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** justinh cancels his order for that 1.2KW PSU **

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 500W in my desktop, a 650W in my server, and between the two, plus a pair of monitors and some other equipment, i pull ~400W at the wall

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gbee:

seriously, anyone who thinks that 880W is reasonable needs a thump on the head, if that's truely what gaming rigs now use then something has gone very wrong

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justinh:

gbee: that's truly what gaming rigs need

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justinh:

quad SLI , all that schmazz

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wagnerrp:

under full load on both machines, plus graphical on my desktop, and whatever disk load i could put on my raid array, i peaked somewhere around 550W

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justinh:

super OC'd ramzo0r5!

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gbee:

my new fe/be is quite happy with a 300W PSU, no idea what it actually draws though

[16:43:55]

wagnerrp:

which is probably good i didnt go higher, since thats all the higher my UPS is rated at

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justinh:

plus wanker lights etc.. don't forget them

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wagnerrp:

wanker lights are fluorescent, they don't take much power at all

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wagnerrp:

just dump happy powerful EM fields into your case

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gbee:

plus heat, which you then need to get out of the case again by adding fans (Cold Cathode isn't cold)

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wagnerrp:

it makes by car looks like ass, but i bet it will snazz up my computer

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wagnerrp:

i would enjoy seeing someone fill their computer with incandescents

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justinh:

blech

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justinh:

our new web-based UI is shit

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wagnerrp:

UI for.../

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wagnerrp:

?

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justinh:

CCTV dvr

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justinh:

you can actually see it being drawn

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justinh:

well, the unit works anyway. time to go home

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stuarta:

afternoon

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking, that for me to play my music collection on the frontend, i would still need to mount my music directory?

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dustybin:

and the same goes for video plugins etc

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stuarta:

atm yes

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stuarta:

streaming of mythvideo & mythmusic contents is in the plans

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

everything is working ok, apart from the really slow connection to the database

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dustybin:

might be something to do with this

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dustybin:

2008-09–15 19:14:32.161 Empty LocalHostName.

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dustybin:

2008-09–15 19:14:32.161 Using localhost value of ltsp

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dustybin:

or this

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dustybin:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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dustybin:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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Dubstar_04:

Can anyone recommend a motherboard with tv-out, either s-video or composite?

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Dubstar_04:

my bedroom frontend is playing up and I would like onboard video then i can fit a tuner in the case

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dustybin:

Dubstar_04: i think any onboard intel with vga out can do s-video out with the correct adapter

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dustybin:

vga >> composite or vga >> s-video

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gbee:

a few ATi boards too

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Dubstar_04:

Ummm...

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Dubstar_04:

ATI?

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Dubstar_04:

I have been looking at the ASUS M2NPV-VM

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Dubstar_04:

seems a bit dated now.

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gbee:

e.g. http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . prod_no=1240

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Dubstar_04:

I like the add on module.

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Dubstar_04:

I have had horrible problems with ati chips in the past!!

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gbee:

I've got that MSI board, it's very nice for a frontend IMHO (also a backend in my case)

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Dubstar_04:

gbee: Had you had any problems with the video drivers, or video quality?

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gbee:

Dubstar_04: right now you probably have to be very specific about the driver version, 8.4 works well for me, there is a very slight (and I mean slight) tearing issue with high motion but I expect that will be fixed in the next release or two

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gbee:

however s-video/composite out quality beats anything I've ever seen from Nvidia's tv-out

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gbee:

by quite a margin, and as people can testify I'm a pretty big fan of their tools for adjusting overscan/positioning – something which is extremely poor with the Nvidia driver

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Dubstar_04:

gbee: Really? I'm using nvidia tv-out in the bedroom how and it is quite good. just a shame that usb and the dvd drive are selective on whether they work or not!!

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Dubstar_04:

Hence a new motherboard is required

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gbee:

not everyone thinks ATi has changed – to some people they are the devil *shrug*

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gbee:

Dubstar_04: I used nothing but Nvidia tv-out on my frontends, with several cards over that time, it looked great until I picked the ATi board and saw that

[18:04:49]

Dubstar_04:

yeah I had some very bad times trying to get my ATI card working about 3 years ago.

[18:05:16]

Dubstar_04:

If you say its good I trust your judgement, I will have a good look at it

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gbee:

a LOT has changed in 3 years, I wouldn't say things are perfect just yet but the AMD buyout has changed their attitude to linux

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gbee:

just remember to try 8.4 first if you do go with ATi, as new features were added to the driver some things were broken in versions past that, they might already have been fixed but I've seen no reason to try recent versions when 8.4 works well for me

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Dubstar_04:

Thanks. I'm just looking at various retailers.

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Dubstar_04:

gbee: what do you make of this? http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17380)Asus-M2AV . . . ard-VGA.aspx

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gbee:

reckon the tearing issue will get addressed either in this months release, or Octobers – their driver team is split into 3, working on 3 month cycles, so although there are releases every month issues may take upto 3 months to be fixed depending on which team got the job

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Dubstar_04:

I don't think it does tv-out like I need though!!

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gbee:

Dubstar_04: well mine, which is similar to that board, has a TV-out header on the board to which the adapter connects (I built my own adapter for ~£2 with parts from maplin)

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gbee:

"The motherboard supports superior YPbPr TV-out functionality with a higher resolution to 1080i and 720p format, delivering high image quality."

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Dubstar_04:

gbee: where did you get your from?

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gbee:

can't tell from the photo of the board, or the Asus website if that has the tv-out header

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gbee:

Dubstar_04: ebuyer

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Dubstar_04:

They don't sell it anymore!!

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Dubstar_04:

google shopping!!

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justinh:

<3 my aopen i945gmm-hl :)

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justinh:

intel onboard, opengl video renderer works, nice quality tv output too

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justinh:

no gui tools to adjust position or overscan though

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justinh:

only snag is that board only takes mobile CPUs, but I got the board, CPU & RAM for under £110

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justinh:

T5600, had mplayer playing BBC HD no problem

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gbee:

sure Intel tv-out is nice, just never tried it so I can't really speak for it :)

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justinh:

I wish there was more evidence in favour of ATI – if only so we can change the record

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justinh:

ooo.. http://www.mini-box.com/PicoLCD-4X20-Sideshow – something nice on the -users list for a change

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gbee:

won't be such evidence until people drop their prejudice and actually try ATi

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justinh:

gbee: kind of a catch-22 situation then

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AndyCap:

justinh: and yesterday's slashdot

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gbee:

:) takes pioneers like me I guess

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justinh:

AndyCap: I pay no heed to slashdot

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justinh:

bloody geeks arguing all the time

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AndyCap:

oh. I don't look at the comments much

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justinh:

the comments are like car crashes ;)

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AndyCap:

Didn't think that sideshow supported text only though

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** justinh googles sideshow **

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AndyCap:

http://www.sideshowdevices.com/

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AndyCap:

i see, logitech G15 keyboard is a sideshow device too

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justinh:

sounds lame

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AndyCap:

well, its a lcd panel and some buttons extra on a keyboard, supposedly for gamers

[18:33:43]

AndyCap:

zomg almost out of ammo

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laga_:

zomg no pubic hair

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laga_:

o_O

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AndyCap:

Ummm.

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laga_:

SCNR ;)

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AndyCap:

I don't want to know

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AndyCap:

Oh come on http://www.sideshowdevices.com/files/images/043-640_2.jpg

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justinh:

and it's not a new idea. I tested a VFD ran off a parallel port using a little app thingy

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laga_:

oh, just making fun of all the l33t 12 year old pro gamers

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justinh:

lcd smartie :)

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AndyCap:

Maybe I should register freakshowdevices.com

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laga_:

AndyCap: haha. you could just add a list of irc clients :)

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gbee:

fecking bottle erupted on me, beer all over my leg, desk, floor and power bar

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gbee:

more importantly, a half empty bottle

[18:39:41]

laga_:

just say "lap" instead of "power bar" next time. thanks.

[18:40:35]

AndyCap:

laga_: could have been worse, the power bar could have erupted.

[18:41:02]

dustybin:

my sister is going to be totally impressed with this :-)

[18:41:10]

laga_:

dustybin: omg

[18:41:26]

dustybin:

?

[18:41:30]

AndyCap:

http://www.arcfault.org/video.htm

[18:43:27]

dustybin:

is it a known issue when you connect a frontend remotely to the backends database there is quite a delay?

[18:44:01]

dustybin:

i need to wait about 10 seconds before it registers

[18:45:07]

gbee:

laga_: rofl

[18:46:29]

laga_:

gbee: btw, any ETA on reviewing my patches? beta freeze in ubuntu intrepid will happen soon :)

[18:46:46]

dustybin:

i think i need to recompile mythtv with qt mysql support rather than using the binary

[18:46:51]

gbee:

not sure if it's just down to the bottle conditioning, or because some joker shook the bottle :/

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gbee:

laga_: tomorrow, I won't promise, but I'll definately try

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laga_:

gbee: thanks, much appreciated

[18:48:13]

laga_:

gbee: they're not too big, but the SQL magic probably needs a closer look

[18:49:56]

** gbee throws away the soggy post-it notes **

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AndyCap:

gbee: http://www.mediabum.com/html/Simpsons-April-Fools.html

[18:52:26]

gbee:

AndyCap: heh, one of my fav episodes, definately appropriate :)

[18:53:17]

AndyCap:

I'm very tempted to try puttint a can of beer in the paint shaker

[18:53:52]

AndyCap:

but that would be a waste of good beer

[18:57:05]

jams:

gbee- if i wanted to compile a program *like* mythwelcome outside of the mythtv src is it possible?

[18:57:29]

jams:

if so, mind helping me figure it out =)

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gbee:

jams: assuming the mythtv headers it requires are installed, then yes, just like the plugins it should be possible

[18:59:04]

gbee:

the header includes would need to be changed, probably

[18:59:30]

jams:

anything with the .pro files ?

[19:00:01]

jams:

i see they inlucde include ( ../../config.mak )

[19:00:01]

jams:

include (../../settings.pro)

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jams:

include (../programs-libs.pro)

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jams:

i assume those would need to change as well

[19:03:53]

gbee:

yep, depending on the app you may or may not need those includes at all

[19:04:58]

janneg:

jams: if you build an app out of tree it should use its own build system

[19:05:46]

gbee:

ugh, this beer wasn't even worth getting soaked for

[19:06:09]

jams:

well i will fiddle around with it, just tired of copying my stuff into the tree to build it.

[19:06:11]

janneg:

and the files you mentioned are build system files

[19:06:15]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

AndyCap: that was pretty funny... ;-)

[19:06:40]

janneg:

you could copy those of course if needed

[19:06:45]

gbee:

janneg: he can probably get away with copying and modifying what he needs though

[19:07:14]

janneg:

jams: only config.mak is created by configure and should neither be installed nor copied

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gbee:

jams: not all myth headers are installed by default, normally just the ones needed by plugins – so you might need to look at that

[19:09:47]

jams:

ok, i will try to sort through what's needed.

[19:10:38]

jams:

or maybe i will just keep building the app inside the tree

[19:15:07]

gbee:

jams: might be easier for now :)

[19:15:14]

jams:

i think it will be

[19:15:30]

jams:

maybe when i convert the app to qt4 + trunk

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gbee:

though once you get everything setup it should be easy to maintain

[19:16:09]

jams:

for now i just do hardlinks into the srctree

[19:19:09]

jams:

my concern was that if the src is inside the tree it has a high chance of being rm'd

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gbee:

I tend to patch changes into my build tree

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gbee:

little extra work, but so far it's worked for me

[19:26:50]

dustybin:

anybody knows what this means:

[19:26:52]

dustybin:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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dustybin:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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laga_:

dustybin: lirc errors

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dustybin:

oh hell is that all

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dustybin:

i thought it was a mysql problem

[19:27:53]

gbee:

bah, for two years I've been meaning to improve those errors

[19:28:43]

NeoMatrixJR:

can anyone help me? I'm having trouble with changing channels and I don't know where to look to diagnose the problem.

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jams:

gbee- sometimes the pkg process for mythtv will completely erase the source dir.

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Anusien:

So my XBox360 sees my audio files (.mp3) but says they're not supported and won't play them. I can't find any information on whether this is known or not, except that the XBox360 implements a braindead spec for the UPnP client

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Redhammer:

Hi, I was here last night and I am sorry that I had to rush off – I am having trouble tuning all the multiplexes on my myth-tv, I live in sight of the Crystal Palace transmitter and have no problem with the BBC muxes and the D multiplex

[20:02:18]

Redhammer:

I have a variable attenuator but that reduces the signal strength a lot (even at the lowest setting)

[20:02:51]

Redhammer:

in windows the card has few problems tuning any channels with out the attenuator and I am wondering what I can do to improve the situation in linux

[20:03:09]

Redhammer:

furthermore I get very odd channel numbers on the mulitplexes I have problems with

[20:03:18]

Redhammer:

8000+ and 12000+ channel numbers

[20:04:26]

justinh:

ruh? weirdness

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gbee:

which card?

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has only seen channels in the 1000's range on Satellite... ;-) OTA here only does 2 thru 69, with sub-channels as .x, ie: 2.1, 2.2, 68.1, 68.2, 68.3, 68.4 etc... **

[20:15:23]

gbee:

no such thing as subchannels with DVB

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Do you ever have overlapping channel numbers from different providers?

[20:16:48]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: nope

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justinh:

Redhammer: sounds like something drivery

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justinh:

chuffineck, I really can't find some important photos on any of my boxes. I need to have a big find & move operation

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A|work: potentially you might, though there is only one provider of terrestrial, two satellite and one cable

[20:18:29]

Redhammer:

gbee is that which card for me ?

[20:18:37]

gbee:

uh-huh

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Redhammer:

its an HP express card – recognised as a DibCom

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gbee:

hmm, not familiar with it – I was going to guess that it had a built-in amp which isn't enabled by default, which would account for the difference between windows and linux

[20:20:50]

gbee:

might still be the case, since the Nova-T 500 which is also dibcom based has one

[20:21:54]

gbee:

lsmod | grep dvb_usb

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: But he's already reducing the signal strength with a variable attenuator – maybe it's 'on' by default, and windows turns it off?

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gbee:

the Nova-T 500 is completely useless without the amp, even being on top of Crystal Palace you'd need it enabled

[20:24:51]

gbee:

if it's the same driver as the Nova-T, then it's definately not on by default

[20:25:27]

gbee:

where's stuarta when you need him, he has line of sight on Crystal Palace ...

[20:25:33]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Aye, I see where you're going... Redhammer – are you keeping up? ^^^

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gbee:

pure guesswork since I really don't know the card at all, you might even get further in #linuxtv

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Redhammer:

ahh

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Redhammer:

I am struggling

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Redhammer:

let me get the reference for the thingy

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Redhammer:

(am on a different computer

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Redhammer:

at the mo)

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laga_:

GreyFoxx: do you know if mythgame disables the screen saver when launching a game?

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sphery:

laga_: Is Ubuntu Feisty current? I'm fixing http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable and have a problem with the recommended approach at, "On an Ubuntu Feisty machine for example, this is as simple as running the following command:"

[20:54:03]

Redhammer:

Feisty is 7.04 current is Hardy Heron 8.04.1

[20:54:14]

Redhammer:

Hardy is also a Long Term Support version

[20:54:23]

sphery:

It's recommending running optimize_mythdb.pl as the root user, but optimize_mythdb.pl requires a valid ~/.mythtv/config , so it doesn't seem right to run as root. Who should have a ~/.mythtv/config (i.e. who, on Ubuntu runs mythfrontend)?

[20:54:56]

sphery:

Redhammer: OK. Cool. Now just wondering about the user...

[20:55:10]

Dagmar:

If the Ubuntu people had clue, they'd have put that root password for MySQL into root's mysql rc file.

[20:55:47]

sphery:

We don't need the MySQL root password (or MySQL root account)... We just need a user who has been configured to run mythfrontend...

[20:57:47]

laga_:

sphery, Redhammer: ubuntu feisty will be EOL'd next month

[20:57:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: so... is it possible to start the frontend, then ssh into the box to see what ID it's running as? Or is starting the frontend part of the issue?

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laga_:

sphery: on recent ubuntu installs, the frontend is run as a regular user.

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decomp:

anyone know any tricks to get schedules direct to recognize all the cable channels?

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: would work, but I don't run Ubuntu (sorry, laga_ , nothing personal, just my ignorance of all things *buntu :)

[20:59:05]

laga_:

and the whole upnp auto config thing is a mess, because now you can have mysql.txt and config.xml. and the perl bindings refuse to use mysql.txt.

[20:59:10]

sphery:

laga_: is it always called mythtv or just the "owner's" user id

[20:59:14]

** laga_ is rather unhappy about the situation **

[20:59:22]

laga_:

sphery: the frontend doesnt run as "mythtv"

[20:59:26]

laga_:

just the backend

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laga_:

the frontend can run as any user. in mythbuntu, you create a regular user during install and that's what's used

[21:00:18]

sphery:

actually, everything should refuse to use mysql.txt, and it shouldn't exist anywhere on a "modern" (0.20+) Myth system, today, except at $PREFIX/share/mythtv/mysql.txt ... :)

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sphery:

laga_: So, presumably on Ubuntu, the user who's trying to run optimize_mythdb.pl would be logged in/shelled in as their own user, which is the one that normally runs mythfrontend ?

[21:01:25]

sphery:

If so, it's an easy fix... Just remove the "sudo" :)

[21:01:56]

laga_:

sphery: well, it would have been really neat to fix all those "connection refused" problems. everyone has a sym link from ~/mythtv/mysql.txt to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt now ;)

[21:02:24]

sphery:

yeah, the "legacy" mysql.txt (and the fallback to it in most of our programs) is annoying.

[21:03:15]

laga_:

there are some problems with config.xml. it's not available if the backend is not running, for example

[21:03:38]

laga_:

so our mythweb postinstall magic which sets the DB login credentials is prone to failing

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Redhammer:

finally

[21:08:17]

Redhammer:

managed to get the other compi up

[21:08:21]

Redhammer:

$ lsmod | grep dvb_

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Redhammer:

dvb_usb_dibusb_mc 8576 1

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Redhammer:

dvb_usb_dibusb_common 12292 1 dvb_usb_dibusb_mc

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Redhammer:

dib3000mc 15880 2 dvb_usb_dibusb_common

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Redhammer:

dvb_usb 22796 2 dvb_usb_dibusb_mc,dvb_usb_dibusb_common

[21:08:21]

Redhammer:

dvb_core 94380 1 dvb_usb

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Redhammer:

i2c_core 28544 6 mt2060,dib3000mc,dibx000_common,dvb_usb,nvidia,i2c_nforce2

[21:08:25]

Redhammer:

usbcore 169904 11 ndiswrapper,uvcvideo,dvb_usb_dibusb_mc,dvb_usb,lirc_mceusb2,hci_usb,usbhid,ehci_ hcd,ohci_hcd

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

!seen gbee

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MythLogBot:

gbee was last seen 36 minutes 21 seconds ago

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dustybin:

mythstream is still a complete utter bastard to compile

[21:10:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Redhammer: Well, gbee dropped off over a 1/2 hour ago... :-(

[21:11:02]

kormoc:

Redhammer, jesus christ. Use a pastebin

[21:12:10]

Redhammer:

sorry

[21:12:16]

kormoc:

laga_, sphery, Once I get some free time, I'm pondering seeing how hard it will be to get mythweb to upnp discover

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dustybin:

anyone have any idea what this mythstream compile error might be: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2719

[21:12:58]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: how does it currently discover frontends for control? through the database?

[21:13:39]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, via vhost/htaccess config values

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sphery:

I think it finds the backend through the httpd conf and frontends through the backend/Myth proto.

[21:14:25]

kormoc:

ooh, fe's are via the db

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Redhammer:

one on other question

[21:14:39]

Redhammer:

if I have a frontend/backend and another frontend

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sphery:

(actually, technically, backend through the DB, where DB conf is in httpd stuff)

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laga_:

kormoc: that'd be great.

[21:15:04]

wagnerrp:

ah, you want it to detect the backend through upnp, to make it configuration-free

[21:15:11]

Redhammer:

then I define the ip address via the network ip, now does the combined FE/BE also comunicate via the network or can I setup a "loop" or somethign

[21:15:33]

wagnerrp:

the combined fe/be communicates through the network

[21:16:09]

wagnerrp:

but the linux routing mechanism is smart enough to know 'hey, im talking to myself, i dont have to send data to the network card'

[21:16:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ that's what I was guessing was happening... ;-) (ie: linux not actually bouncing everything through the physical network interface...) ;-)

[21:17:16]

sphery:

laga_: The whole backend not running thing is the reason for the DB info in the config.xml (which is really the part that the perl bindings need). Of course, the purpose of the config.xml was to take the DB config out of random files on the system, so...

[21:17:46]

laga_:

sphery: there is no system-wide config.xml. at least the perl bindings dont seem to support that

[21:18:01]

sphery:

Right, there's not. It's a per-user thing only.

[21:18:23]

sphery:

the mysql.txt (which, ideally should only exist once on the system) is the system-wide fallback.

[21:18:48]

sphery:

So, basically, I'm agreeing that there's still work to be done as config.xml hasn't achieved its purpose, yet.

[21:19:00]

laga_:

"the purpose of the config.xml was to take the DB config out of random files on the system" – umm, it failed then. :)

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laga_:

uh-oh.

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laga_:

i justg fired up mythfrontend and i forgot the VGA driver is hosed

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laga_:

ah, it didnt crash

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sphery:

laga_: yep, it failed when scripts, etc., that were used to having the DB config available locally decided they needed it back.

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Redhammer:

good to hear about the network

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dustybin:

in the mythstream docs it points to this link: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2005-10-08

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dustybin:

the reason why mythstream didnt go offical

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dustybin:

greyfox was around in 2005 lol

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dustybin:

and juski

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laga_:

everyone was around back then ;)

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wagnerrp:

i have cousins that werent

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Anusien:

So my XBox360 sees my audio files (.mp3) but says they're not supported and won't play them. I can't find any information on whether this is known or not, except that the XBox360 implements a braindead spec for the UPnP client, and whether an effort is being made to fix it. Anyone knowledable about this?

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dustybin:

laga: i'm currently emerging vmware on my laptop. i got a nice long-term evaluation serial. vmware 4.5 for free for one year :)

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dustybin:

that was from 2005

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: what do you need the workstation for?

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dustybin:

no thats what laga said in 2005

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dustybin:

lol

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dustybin:

i get the same error everytime i try and compile, ive read the instructions 10000 times

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dustybin:

http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2720

[21:50:43]

Dagmar:

Stop assuming trunk will compile.

[21:50:53]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, that's MythStrema.

[21:50:58]

Dagmar:

Go complain to the people who make it

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Dagmar:

0.18.x of that isn't exactly likely to work with 0.21-fixes of Myth

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dustybin:

dam

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dustybin:

ive actually got it working with fixes on my other box

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dustybin:

i wonder if i can just copy the binaries across

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Dagmar:

Works about as well as "just popping someone else's liver in"

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Anusien:

Sometimes works!

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Anusien:

Btw Dagmar, did you ever get the PS3 working?

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sphery:

But if you do it, you'll need to keep your Myth box on anti-rejection pills for the rest of its life...

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Anusien:

Or get it an internet connection and an EHarmony.com account

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Anusien:

*rimshot*

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Redhammer:

!seen gbee

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abqjp:

1.5TB in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

[22:43:13]

wagnerrp:

damn you advancement of technology

[22:43:40]

wagnerrp:

ive only just started building my array of 750s, and im going to have to drop it for bigger drives

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abqjp:

Having more than one array is a good thing!

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iamlindoro:

Sweet jesus, that's even a great price

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wagnerrp:

it really is, its the same price/GB as the 750s ive been buying

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abqjp:

Yeah, although, I want the es.2 version which has not even been announced yet.

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wagnerrp:

are these 300GB platters?

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Anduin:

I think this first batch is platter addition not density increases

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abqjp:

4 platters, so they would need to be 375GB.

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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abqjp:

You can tell from the model number how many platters. These have 4.

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justinh:

damn. I used to have to validate new HDDs as part of my job. Sadly it got very boring so passed the joy onto somebody else :( Used to see all the juicy new HDD models

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hednod:

does mythtv record to HD when watching live tv?

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hednod:

as part of buffering or such?

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justinh:

it records _everything_

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kormoc:

hednod, it's all covered in the FAQ in the wiki

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hednod:

kormoc: thanks. i've been using mythtv for video playback for a long time but, just got a tuner recently. did not even think to look at hte FAQ. found what I needed so far.

[23:23:35]

hednod:

is there a way to a) limit the amount of recorded live TV (I understand this limits my forward/backward buffer) and b) change the path that livetv is recorded (say i want it to record to a ramdisk)

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directhex:

yes and yes

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directhex:

somewhere in the maze of menus

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hednod:

mythtv-setup menu, or the normal menu

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justinh:

there isn't a way to limit the amount of recorded live tv – only the amount of total recording space

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hednod:

justinh: does it still achieve the same effect though?

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justinh:

and fwiw, recording to a ramdisk is fine & dandy but for the fact that orhpan database entries will be left when the recordings mysteriously vanish from the ramdisk

[23:29:01]

justinh:

also, even 4GB can be eaten up pretty quickly by TV recordings

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hednod:

justinh: i don't want to record ALL data to ramdisk, just when watching TV.

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justinh:

hednod: it would have the same effect

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justinh:

as for what happens when you run out of space to store the show you're currently watching... I don't know

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hednod:

i want to record the data from watching TV to another disk, and i want to avoid fillimg up the ramdisk.

[23:31:02]

hednod:

er, by another disk i meant, the ramdisk

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justinh:

myth doesn't keep all livetv recordings anyway – it expires recordings less than 2 minutes long immediately – anything else (unless you actually press RECORD) is expired when free disk space reaches a given threshold (default 1GB) or after 24 hours, whichever is sooner

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justinh:

there was a guy who came in here who'd been using a ramdisk to store his livetv storage group – he had problems with orphaned entries in the database because myth was trying to expire files which were no longer there

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hednod:

ok, so the size of data from livetv recording is not an issue then. but can i record livetv to a ramdisk (in which aspect of mythtv's config can i specify this)

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hednod:

this system is rarely booted so I am not overly concerned with orphans.

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justinh:

storage groups

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justinh:

in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

hednod, keep in mind, it'll autoexpire recordings, so you might have to be able to store 2 max length recordings at once

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justinh:

oh yeah that's another thing – if there's insufficient space in one storage group it'll automagically use the next available one

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justinh:

so using a ramdisk is pretty much futile anyway

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hednod:

i'm just trying to reduce the HD trashing by keeping it down to only thrashing when i am actually recording on schedule

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justinh:

it certainly won't buy you anything in terms of performance

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justinh:

it won't trash much

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justinh:

and besides, lots of people fall out of the habit of randomly grazing TV channels in search of something to watch. that's why they've got mythtv ;)

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hednod:

your point is taken, but let me follow my own path. recording groups are setup in mythtv-setup only, yes?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

it's your funeral

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hednod:

thanks

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** hednod shrugs **

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hednod:

my mythtv box is a software RAID-1 array, so when its recording its thrashing two disks. perhaps thats why my HDs seem so active when watching TV.

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justinh:

all my TV is disposable. I care not if it disappears.. well, not much anyway

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justinh:

for regular folks, there are regular setups. for everybody else, there's overkill ;)

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hednod:

i'm surprised mythtv does not periodicly check filesystem vs database and clean out orphans automaticly.

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justinh:

maybe it will one day

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justinh:

but then, it realistically expects files to stay where it puts them ;)

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hednod:

i may put this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . t_on_disk.3F in a cron script

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justinh:

quite reasonable I think

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jamesd_:

are you american? american TV doesn't even desrve raid0... .

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hednod:

to do this automaticly =)

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justinh:

jamesd_: I think it applies to all TV personally, but I'm weird

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hednod:

jamesd_: RAID-1 you mean? and its not raided for TV purposes. This was a media box for pre-precorded stuff prior to getting a tuner.

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justinh:

I delete more than I watch

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justinh:

what's on my video share is only still there cos I've not got around to deleting it yet, for the most part

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jamesd_:

hednod, no i meant raid0 ... justinh since i don't watch non US tv i was giving it the benefit of the doubt

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justinh:

it's slightly annoying to miss something I was looking forward to seeing, but there's always something else to do

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justinh:

certainly not missed as many shows as when I just had a VCR :)

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my2keh:

is there a way to display signal percentage in myth?

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justinh:

alt F7 I think

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my2keh:

nope, doesn't seem to do anything

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justinh:

it's in keys.txt

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my2keh:

checking

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justinh:

der... just F7

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: Hey man, that frequency change from 75hz to 60hz on the LCD (thus matching the CRT) fixed my severe X slowdown issues. I have not locked since...knock on wood.

[23:51:01]

my2keh:

hmmm...doesn't seem to be doing anyhting

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my2keh:

wonder if it's VNC causing it not to do anything

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my2keh:

oh duh

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my2keh:

only when watching TV

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justinh:

my2keh: or femon, if you have a digital tuner ;)

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justinh:

(in a terminal) – it's part of dvb-utils

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my2keh:

I've used femon

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my2keh:

but not sure how to interpret the output

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my2keh:

I use DVB, which I'm assume is DigitalVB

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my2keh:

:)

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justinh:

SNR == signal to noise ratio. higher numbers are better

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my2keh:

status 1f | signal 4c00 | snr 1000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK

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justinh:

BER == bit error rate. As low as possible is better. 0 is best

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justinh:

UNC == uncorrectable errors. Anything other than zero is bad

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my2keh:

what if I get a snr = 0f00 once and a while?

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justinh:

my2keh: means there's noise once in a while

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justinh:

blips

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my2keh:

i wonder if that's causing my audio crackle/popping

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Chicago:

I am in the middle of upgrading my ivtv and kernel and mythtv. The instructions I read say to keep I2C and V4L kernel drivers as modules.

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justinh:

that might cause spikes in BER, visible as bad blocking artifacts, audio crackling, skipping...

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my2keh:

and this noise could be from low signal at times?

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justinh:

my2keh: anything that creates RF noise can cause them. electric motors, light switches, vehicle ignition systems, fridges.. PCs :-P

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hednod:

justinh: where is the total amount of livetv recording space determined?

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justinh:

hednod: can't remember

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Chicago:

Does this mean the other V4L kernel symbols like CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1 or CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT or CONFIG_VIDEO_CAPTURE_DRIVERS or V4L_USB_DRIVERS need to also be built as modules?

[23:55:50]

my2keh:

hmmm

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justinh:

in mythfrontend, tv settings, general – I think

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my2keh:

is there any way to diagnose what's causing the noise?

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my2keh:

or how to fix it?

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my2keh:

seems to happen every 10 or so lines

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justinh:

my2keh: upgrade your aerial coax downlead.. that's a good place to start

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my2keh:

uhh it's a satelitte dish

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justinh:

could be PSU noise in your PC too

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Chicago:

Oh, I almost forgot, you are not mind readers. This is for gentoo-sources-2.6.25-r7, media-tv/ivtv-1.2.0-r1 and media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p18116.

[23:57:07]

my2keh:

or bad card or low signal etc etc?

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my2keh:

heh

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justinh:

my2keh: try lightening your PSU load if you can, or try a better PSU – not necessarily more watts ;)

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Dagmar:

Chicago: If you're still trying to build things into the kernel that you don't need at boot time, please attempt to join the rest of us on this side of the year 2000.

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my2keh:

well there's only 2 DVB cards in the PCI

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my2keh:

and 4 hdds

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justinh:

my2keh: and what's the PSU? some shitty generic thing that comes with the case?

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my2keh:

uhh I would probably guess shitter then that

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my2keh:

but yeah

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my2keh:

Dynex

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justinh:

try a different PSU.

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dustybin:

it takes me either 7 seconds or 4 seconds to change a channel, maybe because they are on different muxes etc, is that normal?

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