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| [00:10:33] | squish102: | my recordings have things listed that somehow are not on my filesystem. is there any way for me to figure out what happened? |
| [00:14:05] | kdubois: | is schedulesdirect working for anyone else? |
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| [00:16:11] | kormoc: | seems to be working fine here |
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| [00:24:47] | kdubois: | hmm, so its a problem on my side then. i dont even know where to start looking... |
| [00:25:25] | kormoc: | Did you just sign up? |
| [00:25:42] | kdubois: | yep, maybe an hour ago... |
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| [00:27:59] | kormoc: | kdubois, another newbie was saying it was down for him, could be a new account issue for now. Could open a support ticket with SD, and try again later/tomorrow? |
| [00:28:34] | kdubois: | yep, will do. thanks kormoc |
| [00:30:09] | squish102: | i am getting an error "Program #152 not found in PAT! |
| [00:30:24] | squish102: | how do i delete that cannel completly and rescan? |
| [00:31:21] | squish102: | whithout wiping out the whole database, could it just be done in mythweb? |
| [00:32:32] | kormoc: | squish102, yes, somewhere in mythweb's settings is channel settings and ability to delete |
| [00:33:36] | squish102: | thanks kormac |
| [00:33:45] | squish102: | opps kormoc |
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| [00:46:48] | dustybin: | i had a idea for mythtv |
| [00:47:15] | dustybin: | how about a option on the frontend to move tv recordings into myth video, ie. stuff you would like to keep |
| [00:47:52] | dustybin: | and on mythvideo, a option to delete the videos, that seems to be missing |
| [00:48:21] | dustybin: | the presentation of mythtv recordings and myth video should be the same |
| [00:49:00] | dustybin: | (when in list view) |
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| [00:52:23] | Gimpy: | having trouble recoring, when i select a show to recard, then when the show is finished recording, when i go to watch recarding and try to watch it i get error that the show cannot be found |
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| [00:56:44] | squish102: | from schedulesdirect, can i get the xmltvid's? |
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| [00:58:41] | Gimpy: | squish102: I don't think so |
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| [02:13:23] | ShdwShinobi: | Can someone help me get sound? |
| [02:22:27] | ShdwShinobi: | I have a card that has hardware mpeg2 encoding |
| [02:37:21] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: i need to reboot, i can try to help you when i get back if nobody else is answering |
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| [02:54:09] | ShdwShinobi: | Hey psm321, no one else has said anything since you left :( |
| [02:55:00] | psm321: | gimme a few minutes... looks like i've knocked my mythbox out of commission for a while.. (was trying to replace the fan part of the cpu cooler but it wont go back on) |
| [02:55:11] | psm321: | give me a few minutes to keep trying until i give up |
| [02:55:21] | ShdwShinobi: | :/ |
| [02:55:25] | ShdwShinobi: | That's not good |
| [02:57:18] | psm321: | yeah |
| [02:57:33] | psm321: | i think maybe needlenose pliers might do the trick but i cant find mine |
| [02:57:55] | psm321: | could you describe your problem? i'll be jumping back and forth so i can read/think |
| [02:58:31] | ShdwShinobi: | ok, sounds good |
| [02:59:11] | ShdwShinobi: | basically, I have an mpeg2 hardware encoder tv tuner (the Hauppauge 1950). I got it setup, it shows video – great. The only problem is, it's not outputting sound |
| [02:59:26] | ShdwShinobi: | I know the card works because sound and video work flawlessly in mplayer |
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| [03:05:53] | psm321: | ok so when you do mplayer /dev/video0 you do get sound? |
| [03:06:10] | kdubois: | so i found out that i have to add a lineup to get scheduledirect working. mythfilldatabase is taking a verry long time though, is this normal? |
| [03:06:19] | psm321: | this is going to be harder for me now that i dont have my own mythbox to reference :-/ |
| [03:06:32] | psm321: | kdubois: how long, and how many channels do you have? |
| [03:06:46] | ShdwShinobi: | :/ |
| [03:06:51] | psm321: | and did you already have program data in the db? |
| [03:07:30] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: so running mplayer /dev/video0 does give you sound? |
| [03:07:33] | ShdwShinobi: | I imported the channels configuration from a config file. |
| [03:07:33] | kdubois: | psm321: fresh install, so no data. probably about 100 channels. it looks like its just repeating its actions... |
| [03:07:36] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, yes |
| [03:08:02] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: my channels question was to kdubois |
| [03:08:12] | ShdwShinobi: | oh *whistles* |
| [03:08:38] | psm321: | kdubois: when you say repeating, does it say "@ offset 0" , "@ offset 1", etc? (not sure about the exact wording but its something like that |
| [03:09:22] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: ok how do you have it configured in myth? (in mythtv-setup, capture cards) |
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| [03:09:51] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, mkrufky told me to configure it as a DVB card |
| [03:10:00] | kdubois: | yeah, i think it finally completed what it was doing. all my channel names are still 'unknown' though... |
| [03:11:25] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: hmm so i dont know what the DVB config page looks like (and i cant get to it right now) ... what options are on there? |
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| [03:12:22] | psm321: | and when was this? (i want to read the log and see the details since i'm not familiar with that card) |
| [03:12:38] | psm321: | kdubois: did you clear channels first? |
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| [03:13:24] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scre . . . tupreui1.png |
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| [03:14:14] | kdubois: | psm321: no, i dont think i did, seeing as how i dont know how to do that :D |
| [03:14:31] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: hmm, what sort of stuff is under recording options? |
| [03:14:40] | ** psm321 feels handicapped without his own box to refer to ** | |
| [03:14:47] | ShdwShinobi: | lol |
| [03:15:43] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scre . . . tupreny8.png |
| [03:15:47] | psm321: | kdubois: ok first off, i want to make sure (before i tell you to do something that might mess things up), are you working with a new/clean install? (i.e. no data to worry about losing, worst case start over?) |
| [03:16:16] | kdubois: | its fresh, no worries about deleting recordings |
| [03:16:53] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: ok so when you go into "watch tv" you get video correctly but no sound right? maybe myth's sound _output_ is broken? |
| [03:17:11] | ShdwShinobi: | right |
| [03:17:24] | ShdwShinobi: | I don't get a sound listing for mythtv in my pulseaudio device manager |
| [03:17:26] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: do a scheduled recording (manual schedule is probably easiest), and mplayer (or some other player) the mpeg file |
| [03:17:42] | psm321: | just to make sure that we're dealing with an output issue |
| [03:17:47] | ShdwShinobi: | k |
| [03:17:55] | ShdwShinobi: | what's the best way to record a few seconds? <_< |
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| [03:18:21] | psm321: | kdubois: ok so somewhere in mythtv-setup (under channels i think) theres a clear channels option |
| [03:18:22] | psm321: | doh |
| [03:18:41] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: you can do 1 minute with manual schedule |
| [03:18:42] | kormoc: | ShdwShinobi, just use a existing recording |
| [03:19:03] | psm321: | that would work too (i was guessing he was just setting it up and didnt have any) |
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| [03:19:56] | psm321: | btw anyone feel free to jump in here :) i'm no expert, was just trying to help out since nobody seemed to be around |
| [03:21:36] | Gimpy: | Hi all, I have a recording problem: When i record a show, it says it was recorded but when i go to watch the show i get an error that the file cannnot be found, i have had some shows record, i testing right now with out a script to see if it is my script that is causing this error. |
| [03:22:17] | psm321: | script? |
| [03:23:01] | Gimpy: | I have 1 show i am trying to recard anytime the show is on but when it records i get the same error messeage that the file cannot be found but there is a "c" next to the show name, but there is nothing recording in that same time slot |
| [03:23:22] | Gimpy: | yes the script is to trascode and delete commercials |
| [03:23:31] | psm321: | i thought you just said it said it was recorded |
| [03:23:34] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, where are recordings stored? |
| [03:24:01] | psm321: | wherever you told it store them :) (is there a default? no idea) |
| [03:24:25] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: "storage groups" in mythtv-setup |
| [03:24:35] | Gimpy: | when i go to watch that show that recarded , the status says that it recorded but when i go to watch it i get the error that the file cannot be found |
| [03:24:35] | psm321: | dunno where it puts them if you havent set that up |
| [03:24:36] | ShdwShinobi: | k |
| [03:25:03] | psm321: | Gimpy: so the conflict issue is a separate issue? (just trying to understand clearly) |
| [03:25:23] | Gimpy: | yes the conflict is a seperat issue |
| [03:25:30] | psm321: | ok |
| [03:25:43] | psm321: | first the file not found issue |
| [03:25:48] | psm321: | is the file there? :) |
| [03:26:15] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, oh no! sound output error... recording has it |
| [03:26:22] | ShdwShinobi: | I guess I never ran the frontend from commandline... |
| [03:26:59] | Gimpy: | psm321: accordin to mythtv the file was recorded but it can't find it when i browse the storage directory all files ave a weird #-ing convention (not show name) |
| [03:27:05] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: heh i still run both backend and frontend from commandline and i've been using myth for 4 years |
| [03:27:38] | psm321: | Gimpy: i was actually typing a message explaining the numbering convention, just a sec |
| [03:28:18] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, now i can't get video... bleh. I can figure it out though |
| [03:28:58] | psm321: | btw (for both ShdwShinobi and Gimpy), general structure of a filename is CCCC_YYYYMMDDhhmmss where CCCC is the channel id (if you have a simple setup, most likely 1025 maps to channel 25, etc), and ss as far as i've seen is always 00 (even if the recording actually started in the middle of a minute) |
| [03:29:00] | Gimpy: | psm321: the numbering convention looks like YYYDDHHMM then a string of number that i don't know what to makaof |
| [03:31:51] | Gimpy: | psm321: all my .mpeg and .mpeg.png files stare with 1002_ or 1040_ but all my tests where done with channel's 61 or below |
| [03:32:10] | psm321: | Gimpy: read what i wrote :) |
| [03:32:51] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: so theres audio output setup somewhere in the setup that you get to through the frontend |
| [03:33:02] | psm321: | you need to go in there and make sure things are correct |
| [03:33:13] | Gimpy: | psm321: i feel stupimfor not undersanding that but you telling me to look at that again helped :-p |
| [03:33:45] | psm321: | Gimpy: sorry, didnt mean to be rude, just trying to multitask too much so i didnt want to retype it |
| [03:34:46] | psm321: | so for examply 1002 would usually mean channel 2, 1040 would mean channel 40, etc |
| [03:35:03] | ShdwShinobi: | brb guys |
| [03:35:04] | psm321: | (that can change for more complex setups but its a good generalization for a simple setup) |
| [03:35:05] | ShdwShinobi: | rebooting |
| [03:35:54] | Gimpy: | psm321: ok i see files in my tv directory, they don't show up in mythtv, how do i view them? fyi i';e got a recardip set up going for another 25 min. |
| [03:36:05] | psm321: | btw in case anyone cares when i said "4 years" earlier i meant to say "almost 4 years"... not quite that mush yet |
| [03:36:23] | mzb_d800: | s/CC/TTCC |
| [03:36:30] | mzb_d800: | TT=tuner# |
| [03:36:34] | mzb_d800: | s/CCCC/TTCC |
| [03:36:38] | psm321: | not true |
| [03:36:42] | mzb_d800: | sure? |
| [03:36:43] | psm321: | i wish that was true |
| [03:36:49] | psm321: | oh how i wish that was true |
| [03:36:50] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [03:36:51] | mzb_d800: | hang on |
| [03:36:54] | mzb_d800: | source ID |
| [03:36:57] | mzb_d800: | not tuner |
| [03:36:59] | psm321: | yes |
| [03:37:01] | psm321: | except |
| [03:37:08] | psm321: | channel can be 3 digits |
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| [03:37:20] | mzb_d800: | ie: for me "Digital" is 2 |
| [03:37:28] | mzb_d800: | ok ... so SCCC ;) |
| [03:37:33] | psm321: | yeah |
| [03:37:56] | psm321: | except i think the whole thing is just called chanid and thats how myth happens to generate the chanid :) |
| [03:37:59] | psm321: | but yeah |
| [03:38:10] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [03:38:52] | ** psm321 really really wishes myth saved some metadata about which tuner recorded a file somewhere ** | |
| [03:38:56] | mzb_d800: | just got the XPS running linux ... little surprised by transcoding speed |
| [03:39:11] | mzb_d800: | I though ~30fps on a Sempron 3400+ was ok |
| [03:39:33] | mzb_d800: | try 70–90fps on the XPS! |
| [03:39:37] | mzb_d800: | PER CORE! |
| [03:39:38] | mzb_d800: | lol |
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| [03:39:44] | psm321: | Gimpy: so lets see if i understand this correctly ... you have the listing for the show showing in mythfrontend, but when you try to play it it says file not found? but the file for that same show is actually there on the disk? |
| [03:40:04] | psm321: | mzb_d800: yeah i enjoy having my quad core now (just upgraded like a month ago) :) |
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| [03:40:11] | mzb_d800: | permissions? |
| [03:40:13] | psm321: | i actually occasionally have some idle cpu time now |
| [03:40:17] | mzb_d800: | heh ;) |
| [03:40:36] | mzb_d800: | wish I could completely remove vista ... total waste of space ... but oh well |
| [03:40:41] | psm321: | it would be odd (but possible i guess) to have write permission but not read permission |
| [03:40:46] | psm321: | why not? :) |
| [03:40:52] | mzb_d800: | work |
| [03:41:01] | psm321: | ah |
| [03:41:02] | mzb_d800: | not my machine (technically) |
| [03:41:15] | mzb_d800: | although possession being 9 tenths ... ;) |
| [03:41:15] | psm321: | my next myth adventure is going to be trying to get multiple backends going |
| [03:41:28] | psm321: | my 2 pvr-500s dont play nicely together |
| [03:41:42] | mzb_d800: | that's what I'm using the XPS for ... but only for transcoding/editing/burning |
| [03:41:51] | mzb_d800: | irq issue? |
| [03:41:57] | psm321: | no idea |
| [03:42:01] | psm321: | it works most of the time |
| [03:42:09] | mzb_d800: | you can test that by reserving irq's i bios |
| [03:42:27] | mzb_d800: | another possibility is PCI latency ... see pciset (?) |
| [03:42:48] | psm321: | except sometimes (after days of working fine) one of the tuners will get into a bad state of either 1) scrambled video 2) no audio 3) no data at all readable from the /dev/video device |
| [03:42:59] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, do you know how to delete just one capture card? |
| [03:43:07] | ShdwShinobi: | nvm |
| [03:43:21] | psm321: | sometime unloading and reloading ivtv will fix it, sometimes that wont work but soft reboot will, and sometimes requires full power off power on |
| [03:43:34] | psm321: | didnt happen at all before i added the 2nd pvr-500 |
| [03:43:41] | mzb_d800: | sounds like you'll figure it out eventually |
| [03:43:42] | mzb_d800: | time to get on with the plan ... bbl |
| [03:43:55] | psm321: | dont think i will... too unreproducable |
| [03:45:14] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, |
| [03:45:28] | ShdwShinobi: | for sound options it gives me alsa |
| [03:45:33] | ShdwShinobi: | and i'm using pulseaudio as a manager |
| [03:45:50] | psm321: | i dont know anything about pulseaudio |
| [03:46:38] | psm321: | http://www.google.com/search?q=mythtv+pulseaudio :) |
| [03:46:53] | psm321: | i see some promising leads there but dont really know enough to suggest anything |
| [03:46:58] | psm321: | other than stop using it :-P |
| [03:47:07] | ShdwShinobi: | D: |
| [03:47:11] | ShdwShinobi: | using ubuntu |
| [03:47:14] | ShdwShinobi: | they use it by default |
| [03:47:51] | psm321: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598 |
| [03:47:59] | psm321: | "This has been committed, but you need to set myth to use alsa [1], and you need to have the pulseaudio alsa plugin installed." |
| [03:48:53] | ** psm321 avoids expressing his opinions on ubuntu/debian to avoid getting lynched :) ** | |
| [03:49:07] | ShdwShinobi: | i find that the hardest part usually isn't fixing the problem |
| [03:49:10] | ShdwShinobi: | it's finding the problem |
| [03:49:30] | psm321: | thats what logs are for :) |
| [03:49:40] | psm321: | logs and source code and verbose options :) |
| [03:49:48] | psm321: | and google |
| [03:50:23] | ShdwShinobi: | I spent like 4 days to figure out that the nvidia drivers couldn't read my monitor's EDID |
| [03:50:30] | ShdwShinobi: | fixed it in < 1 hour |
| [03:50:47] | Gimpy: | psm321: the show will show up in prevously recorded, but when i try to watch it it says the file cannot be found, so i deleted it , but wheo i check my storage director "/tv/Mythtv" there is a list of files there |
| [03:51:18] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, what are you opinions on ubuntu/debian? you can PM it to me |
| [03:51:22] | ShdwShinobi: | I just like hearing people's opinions |
| [03:51:33] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: heh ask me some other time |
| [03:51:42] | ShdwShinobi: | aw |
| [03:51:42] | ShdwShinobi: | k |
| [03:51:43] | psm321: | dont have time to rant right now :-P |
| [03:52:10] | psm321: | Gimpy: i'm still confused on what youre saying |
| [03:52:26] | psm321: | Gimpy: when you go into "Watch Recordings", is the recording listed there? |
| [03:53:34] | Gimpy: | psm321: yes it was listed there (i deleted it when i got the error that the file could not be found) but when i do an ls on my /tv/Mythtv directory there is a list of file in that directary |
| [03:55:21] | psm321: | ok lets start from scratch-ish |
| [03:55:23] | Gimpy: | psm321: does that make sence? if not i'll post each set of steps sepretly |
| [03:55:28] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [03:55:39] | psm321: | so move all your files in that dir to some other dir |
| [03:55:45] | Gimpy: | you ask i'll answer, so we stay on the same page :-) |
| [03:56:24] | psm321: | do you have any recordings listed right now in watch recordings? |
| [03:56:41] | Gimpy: | psm321: yes i have a recording going for another 5 minuts |
| [03:56:55] | Gimpy: | and it is family guy |
| [03:57:01] | psm321: | does it let you play it |
| [03:57:25] | psm321: | did you already do the "move all your files"? (if not, dont yet) |
| [03:57:41] | Gimpy: | no, i was gonna wait untill that finished |
| [03:57:55] | psm321: | ok does it let you play the family guy recording? |
| [03:58:19] | Gimpy: | psm321: its not finished yet, i haven't tried |
| [03:58:23] | psm321: | try |
| [03:58:30] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [03:59:13] | Gimpy: | psm321: faily Guy the file for this recording can not be faund |
| [03:59:19] | psm321: | ok now |
| [03:59:43] | psm321: | look in your recordings directory and see if the file with the right chanid and starttime is there |
| [03:59:50] | psm321: | for the family guy recording |
| [04:00:06] | psm321: | and if it is, do ls -l on it (to see the size) |
| [04:00:13] | ShdwShinobi: | argh |
| [04:00:25] | Gimpy: | psm321: yes it looks like it is there |
| [04:00:33] | psm321: | size? |
| [04:01:34] | Gimpy: | is it df -h filename? |
| [04:01:42] | psm321: | ls -l |
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| [04:07:02] | psm321: | Gimpy: still around? |
| [04:10:31] | Gimpy: | psm321: when i did that i realized that wasn't the family guy show it spit out a timaof 21:14 |
| [04:10:31] | Gimpy: | psm321: the size though = 2694784 |
| [04:10:31] | Gimpy: | psm321: thats 2.6G |
| [04:10:31] | Gimpy: | psm321: should i clear this dir and start from scratch with recording? |
| [04:10:31] | Gimpy: | the file i gave you should be "don't forget the lyrics" |
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| [04:10:52] | psm321: | woah that was weird |
| [04:11:44] | psm321: | am i having connection issues or did everyone else see that come through all at once with nothing before the "when i did that" ? |
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| [04:20:39] | psm321: | hi Gimpy |
| [04:20:45] | Gimpy: | psm321: internet when out what was the last thing you said |
| [04:20:49] | psm321: | i think i missed most of your messages |
| [04:21:07] | psm321: | i only saw like 5 things from you after i asked about the file size |
| [04:21:48] | d1g1ta7: | How do I log into the MySQL database after installing MythTV? |
| [04:21:51] | Gimpy: | psm321: the file wasn't family guy that i gave you, i think it was "don't forget the lyerics" |
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| [04:22:09] | psm321: | d1g1ta7: what do you mean? |
| [04:22:13] | Gimpy: | mysql -umyttv -pmythtv |
| [04:22:30] | psm321: | Gimpy: except i never saw you give me any info on a file until after you said that |
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| [04:22:37] | psm321: | anyways |
| [04:22:39] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, thanks |
| [04:22:42] | ShdwShinobi: | it's working now :) |
| [04:22:46] | psm321: | cool :) |
| [04:22:57] | ShdwShinobi: | high def tv on computer == awesome :) |
| [04:22:59] | psm321: | glad i could help :) |
| [04:23:02] | psm321: | heh i wouldnt know |
| [04:23:07] | Gimpy: | psm321: you lost me there, untili i said what? |
| [04:23:21] | d1g1ta7: | Gimpy: do you mean mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv ? |
| [04:23:51] | Gimpy: | dlglta7, yes |
| [04:23:52] | psm321: | Gimpy: n/m, just keep in mind that i didnt see most of your messages |
| [04:23:58] | psm321: | or actually just so were clear |
| [04:24:13] | d1g1ta7: | "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [04:24:13] | d1g1ta7: | " |
| [04:24:26] | psm321: | -p mythconverg |
| [04:24:48] | psm321: | Gimpy: this is what i saw: http://pastebin.com/m27dbd2f4 |
| [04:24:53] | Gimpy: | psm321: , i thaught the default uher and password where the same |
| [04:24:58] | psm321: | they are |
| [04:25:07] | psm321: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [04:25:52] | d1g1ta7: | the same access denied error |
| [04:26:03] | psm321: | did it prompt you for a password? |
| [04:26:10] | d1g1ta7: | yes |
| [04:26:14] | psm321: | Gimpy: ok so now you say the family guy file is there? |
| [04:26:22] | psm321: | and you put in mythtv? |
| [04:26:25] | d1g1ta7: | I tried typing in mythtv for the password, as well as my root password |
| [04:26:37] | psm321: | what steps exactly did you do to install? |
| [04:27:09] | d1g1ta7: | I downloaded the sources, applied some patches (for my genpix skywalker-1), built and installed |
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| [04:27:31] | psm321: | Gimpy: try to play the file from watch recordings again, and when it complains, pull out the last say 50 lines from both the frontend and backend logs and put them on pastebin |
| [04:27:32] | Gimpy: | psm321: ok, the file appears to be "don't forget the lyrics" not family Guy, but family guy was the recordin that just finished |
| [04:27:48] | psm321: | Gimpy: i'm lost again |
| [04:27:52] | psm321: | what file? |
| [04:28:04] | psm321: | Gimpy: did you read that log i pasted |
| [04:28:19] | psm321: | d1g1ta7: so make and make install? |
| [04:28:44] | Gimpy: | yes, i read the log, the file i thaught was family guy isn't |
| [04:28:51] | d1g1ta7: | "debuild -us -uc" |
| [04:29:01] | Gimpy: | the file is most likely "don't forget the lyrics" |
| [04:29:03] | d1g1ta7: | then I installed all of the debs it built |
| [04:29:05] | psm321: | some debian thing? |
| [04:29:09] | Gimpy: | the file size is 2.6 Gig |
| [04:29:12] | d1g1ta7: | I think so, yes |
| [04:29:33] | psm321: | Gimpy: is there also a file for the family guy? |
| [04:29:35] | d1g1ta7: | I'm running mythbuntu, but the guide I was following suggested building mythtv from source |
| [04:30:10] | psm321: | ok i know nothing about debuild but i'm assuming it didnt do much beyond make and make install |
| [04:30:18] | psm321: | do you have a link to the guide? |
| [04:30:49] | d1g1ta7: | http://dvbn.happysat.org/viewtopic.php?t=47946 |
| [04:31:03] | psm321: | gah |
| [04:31:29] | psm321: | ok i'm not going to make an account... anyways, you need to actually initialize the db |
| [04:31:42] | psm321: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [04:32:03] | psm321: | and in general read through much/all of that howto, even if youre not following it exactly |
| [04:32:09] | psm321: | lots of useful info there |
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| [04:34:01] | psm321: | Gimpy? |
| [04:34:20] | d1g1ta7: | I've done that, but it still gives me "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [04:34:27] | Gimpy: | psm321: i know how to past a whole log but how do i grab the last 50 lines |
| [04:34:58] | psm321: | whole log is fine (make sure you put it on pastebin and not here :)) |
| [04:35:30] | psm321: | and i didnt mean it had to be exactly 50, that was just a rough number |
| [04:35:35] | psm321: | but whatever |
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| [04:38:35] | psm321: | d1g1ta7: so maybe mythbuntu has a default root mysql password set? |
| [04:38:39] | jsumners: | does anyone know if http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4982 has been resolved in 0.21.1-fixes and just hasn't been closed? |
| [04:38:42] | Gumby: | I've just set up a slave backend with two dvb tuners in it. I've added the tuners and the log file says that the slave backend has connected successfully but the tuners dont show in mythweb and in system status they show as "unavailable" anyone have any ideas? |
| [04:39:16] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, how do I download a theme from the trunk? |
| [04:39:43] | psm321: | umm do you mean just how to fetch it or how to install it? |
| [04:40:55] | ShdwShinobi: | fetch |
| [04:41:26] | psm321: | try svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/myththemes myththemes |
| [04:41:33] | psm321: | i'm not sure if that url is right |
| [04:42:09] | ShdwShinobi: | oh, it's svn |
| [04:42:09] | ShdwShinobi: | k |
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| [04:42:23] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: you did say from the trunk... |
| [04:42:28] | ShdwShinobi: | yeah |
| [04:42:31] | Gimpy: | psm321: http://rafb.net/p/y93l1W37.html |
| [04:42:32] | ShdwShinobi: | sorry, long day |
| [04:42:35] | psm321: | dunno if theres a package available somewhere, there might be |
| [04:43:19] | Gimpy: | psm321: the whole log is almost 400 pages for 4 days |
| [04:43:37] | psm321: | Gumby: looks like i'm the only one around for the most part except for an occasional comment, and unfortunately i have no idea (multiple backends is still on my todo list of myth adventures) |
| [04:43:56] | psm321: | Gimpy: umm |
| [04:44:16] | Gumby: | psm321: no worries. Thanks for the acknowledgement though :) |
| [04:44:25] | psm321: | Gimpy: did you paste the log into an oo.o doc and then paste the raw source of the doc??? |
| [04:44:39] | Gimpy: | yep |
| [04:44:51] | psm321: | thats not helpful... |
| [04:45:18] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, i guess do you know the theme folder? |
| [04:45:26] | psm321: | hm? |
| [04:45:30] | Gimpy: | psm321: wgetpate doesn't like anything over 800k so i took a shot |
| [04:46:24] | psm321: | Gimpy: whats wrong w/ just copy-pasting it? :) |
| [04:46:55] | Gimpy: | you said not here, you want it here? |
| [04:47:01] | psm321: | no |
| [04:47:04] | psm321: | on pastebin |
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| [04:47:28] | Gimpy: | never tried or thaughoof it |
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| [04:47:48] | psm321: | will wgetpaste take its input on stdin? |
| [04:48:01] | Gimpy: | ya |
| [04:48:15] | psm321: | so just tail -n 50 <logfile> | wgetpaste |
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| [04:48:24] | psm321: | (with whatever args you normally give it) |
| [04:48:52] | psm321: | d1g1ta7: has any luck with mysql? |
| [04:48:53] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/zlzpXP75.html |
| [04:48:55] | Gimpy: | [B[B http://rafb.net/p/zlzpXP75.html |
| [04:49:21] | psm321: | and the frontend |
| [04:49:53] | Gimpy: | psm321: where is the frontendlog? i've fogoteen that path |
| [04:50:02] | psm321: | dunno |
| [04:50:12] | psm321: | depends on your distro, etc |
| [04:50:20] | psm321: | how do you run the frontend |
| [04:50:24] | psm321: | if you run it yourself |
| [04:50:29] | psm321: | from the command line |
| [04:50:32] | Gimpy: | its gentoo mythfronend |
| [04:50:34] | psm321: | then it just outputs to that shell |
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| [04:50:45] | psm321: | how do you run it? |
| [04:51:01] | Gimpy: | mythfrontend so just pipe it |
| [04:51:15] | psm321: | probably not a good idea |
| [04:51:21] | psm321: | why not just copy and paste |
| [04:51:23] | psm321: | with your mouse |
| [04:51:58] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: what were you asking about the theme? |
| [04:52:18] | ShdwShinobi: | nevermind |
| [04:52:18] | ShdwShinobi: | got it |
| [04:52:20] | psm321: | k |
| [04:52:21] | ShdwShinobi: | /usr/share |
| [04:52:35] | ** psm321 sticks with blue ** | |
| [04:52:39] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/y2KYeD92.html |
| [04:53:33] | psm321: | are these both running on the same box? |
| [04:53:49] | Gimpy: | yes it is FE+BE |
| [04:53:55] | psm321: | hmm |
| [04:54:03] | psm321: | well i think the relevant line here is |
| [04:54:04] | psm321: | 2008-09–12 23:51:54.421 SG(Default) Error: Directory value for Default Storage Group is empty. Using hardcoded default value of '/mnt/store' |
| [04:54:16] | psm321: | except i think its odd that the recorded files would go elsewhere |
| [04:54:27] | psm321: | how about some more backend lines (like 1000) |
| [04:55:06] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/XzKEMD40.html |
| [04:55:14] | Gimpy: | rcording dir |
| [04:55:53] | psm321: | and thats the /tv/whatever you said before? |
| [04:55:54] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/pVrlAO67.html |
| [04:56:02] | Gimpy: | yes |
| [04:56:55] | psm321: | did you ever give myth that path anywhere? |
| [04:57:35] | Dagmar: | He did |
| [04:57:39] | Gimpy: | yes, during setup when it wasted a path to store recored TV under storage devices |
| [04:58:07] | psm321: | hmm so why are we getting that default storage group is empty |
| [04:58:36] | Gimpy: | psm321: would you like a screenshot of that page? |
| [04:58:46] | Dagmar: | psm321: Probably because he didn't actually set it |
| [04:59:03] | psm321: | Dagmar: but he says his recorded files are going there |
| [04:59:11] | Dagmar: | Yes. They will. |
| [04:59:22] | Dagmar: | It has a hard-wired default value built into it |
| [04:59:33] | Dagmar: | The other options would have made NO sense to a rational coder. |
| [04:59:38] | Dagmar: | Those options being... |
| [04:59:53] | psm321: | Dagmar: but he said his files are ending up in /tv/Mythtv |
| [05:00:00] | Dagmar: | 1) a null path, which would likely write to '/'. (INstant fail) |
| [05:00:16] | Dagmar: | 2) Not record anything. |
| [05:00:16] | IOU|S: | does mythtv burn back ISO's of ripped DVD's ? |
| [05:00:22] | psm321: | i'm not arguing against having a default :) |
| [05:00:36] | Dagmar: | psm321: If it suffices to be any kind of "clue" this guy has been bumping into walls for about three days now |
| [05:00:49] | Dagmar: | I gave up long ago |
| [05:01:05] | psm321: | heh |
| [05:01:13] | psm321: | i still suspect something weird in the db :) |
| [05:01:20] | Dagmar: | psm321: You'd probably be right |
| [05:01:29] | psm321: | i'd say lets look in the db but again i feel handicapped b/c i dont have my system up so i cant check exactly what values to look at |
| [05:01:37] | psm321: | :( |
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| [05:06:18] | psm321: | Gimpy: it sounds like maybe some things got messed up during the install process... might be best to start over completely on the mythtv front (i.e. wipe the db and go through the whole setup again). i could try to help walk you through that some time tomorrow but i can't say for sure when and can't promise that it will work out |
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| [05:07:07] | IOU|S: | anyone ? |
| [05:07:49] | ** psm321 has no idea ** | |
| [05:08:01] | Gimpy: | psm321: here why i somewhat doubt it is the db some recording record fine(few) but some |
| [05:09:46] | psm321: | Gimpy: well based on the fact that the logs say that storage groups are not setup, and you said you did set that up, and also that you said its putting files in /tv/Mythtv but with no recording group setup... thats what makes me suggest a weird conflation of db settings |
| [05:10:13] | Gimpy: | http://omploader.org/icXB2 |
| [05:11:03] | psm321: | Gimpy: Dagmar also mentioned that there was some confusion during the install process and you might have gotten some things done in the wrong order |
| [05:11:09] | psm321: | Gimpy: aha |
| [05:11:24] | psm321: | that image clears it up maybe |
| [05:11:33] | psm321: | first, do you have a /mnt/store at all? |
| [05:12:02] | psm321: | btw you should know that paths are case sensetive on linux |
| [05:12:15] | Gimpy: | no im using /tv/MythTV |
| [05:12:31] | Gimpy: | yes i know they are |
| [05:12:34] | psm321: | k |
| [05:12:45] | psm321: | so you do not have a /mnt/store at all |
| [05:13:07] | Gimpy: | nope |
| [05:13:20] | psm321: | ok heres what my guess is |
| [05:13:31] | Gimpy: | it looking like i juhe need to change that in the db |
| [05:13:42] | psm321: | patience please |
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| [05:14:06] | psm321: | root problem: you only have a livetv storage group, and no values for the "Default" storage group |
| [05:14:31] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [05:14:48] | psm321: | my guess is that myth falls back to the livetv group for recording if it fails to record to default (havent checked, just a guess) |
| [05:15:00] | psm321: | but when trying to read it back it will only look in default |
| [05:15:18] | psm321: | (more lines of the backend log might help clear that up) |
| [05:15:32] | psm321: | i'd like to see the whole backend log if possible |
| [05:15:47] | psm321: | but, anyways, setting up the default storage group might fix things for you |
| [05:15:58] | Gimpy: | ok but you gqt any ideas its almost 400 pgs |
| [05:16:30] | Gimpy: | should i just try say 20,000 lines this time/ |
| [05:16:35] | psm321: | sure |
| [05:17:46] | Gimpy: | i think the max is 8000 lines |
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| [05:17:55] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/K5CTlP23.html |
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| [05:20:26] | Gumby`: | 2008-09–12 10:18:39.286 SG(Default) Error: Directory value for Default Storage Group is empty. Using hardcoded default value of '/mnt/store' |
| [05:20:44] | psm321: | yeah i dont think any of your recordings actually ever ended up anywhere, the things you see in your dir are probably just from livetv |
| [05:20:55] | psm321: | so anyways, go setup your default storage group |
| [05:21:01] | Gumby`: | they should be in /mnt/store |
| [05:21:04] | Gumby` is now known as Gumby | |
| [05:21:08] | psm321: | also you have something really weird going on with your tv listings |
| [05:21:15] | psm321: | Gumby: he doesnt have a /mnt/store |
| [05:21:30] | Gumby: | hehe, now thats a problem |
| [05:21:31] | Gumby: | :) |
| [05:21:53] | Gumby: | I'd think if it didnt exist, mythtv would fail to run |
| [05:22:06] | psm321: | well it does seem to be failing to record |
| [05:22:40] | psm321: | Gimpy: you'll also want to look into your tv listings, youve got something weird going on there |
| [05:22:59] | psm321: | Gumby: did you figure out your problem by any chance? (just curious) |
| [05:23:18] | Gumby: | not yet. I flushed the capturecards and am just re-adding them right now |
| [05:24:05] | Gumby: | takes a long time to scan the satellites though |
| [05:24:20] | psm321: | heh |
| [05:24:33] | Gimpy: | psm321: what do you mean by weird |
| [05:25:31] | psm321: | Gimpy: well your schedulesdirect isnt letting you update (all the Unauthorized stuff in the logs) |
| [05:25:40] | psm321: | yet you still have some data from somewhere |
| [05:25:48] | psm321: | since your recordings have names, etc |
| [05:25:57] | Gumby: | psm321: those are fairly normal as far as I know |
| [05:26:08] | psm321: | Gumby: look closely |
| [05:26:10] | Gumby: | Ive seen them ever since I've used any type of sources online |
| [05:26:15] | psm321: | its not just failing the first time |
| [05:26:25] | psm321: | its failing repeatedly, not downloading anything |
| [05:26:30] | Dagmar: | Each transaction to ScheDir is going to result in a 401 followed by a 200 because of the way the grabbing program is being invoked |
| [05:26:38] | psm321: | yeah i know |
| [05:26:42] | psm321: | but he never gets a 200 |
| [05:26:49] | Dagmar: | Yeah then he's boned that up too |
| [05:26:56] | Gumby: | lol |
| [05:27:43] | Gumby: | sorry, I shouldnt laugh. |
| [05:27:52] | Dagmar: | Dude, seriously. |
| [05:27:56] | Gumby: | I'm having issues of my own and I dont think I'd like ppl laughing at me either |
| [05:28:05] | Dagmar: | You need to just shoot the DB, reinitialize it, and run mythtv-setup again |
| [05:29:20] | Gumby: | hrm, 10:30pm. I should get meself some dinner |
| [05:29:27] | Gimpy: | psm321: i noticed that when i was first trying to populate my channles but havent checked it since |
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| [05:30:04] | Gimpy: | Dagmar- just execute the db, how nerger executed a db (oter then killing sql |
| [05:30:55] | Dagmar: | Yeah, so English is a cool language. |
| [05:30:58] | Gumby: | lol |
| [05:31:00] | Dagmar: | You should try and learn it sometime. |
| [05:31:06] | ** Gumby was gonna say something but decided not to ** | |
| [05:34:34] | Gumby: | hrm, anyone seen this before in mythbackend.log "2008-09–12 22:30:01.733 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(10787064) free(4184715)" |
| [05:35:21] | psm321: | yes |
| [05:35:26] | cesman: | given that is a uniwue date/timestamp I seriously doubt anyone has seen that before |
| [05:35:33] | psm321: | heh |
| [05:35:35] | Gumby: | lol |
| [05:35:48] | psm321: | people come out of the woodworks to make the oddest comments :) |
| [05:35:55] | cesman: | but some folks were talking about time travel a few weeks back |
| [05:35:58] | cesman: | so, who knows |
| [05:36:09] | Gumby: | I even thought about stripping the timestamp off so no one made that commant |
| [05:36:11] | Gumby: | comment |
| [05:36:16] | cesman: | lol! |
| [05:36:44] | Gumby: | but when posting log errors, I figure its best to not leave any detail out :) |
| [05:36:56] | Gumby: | no matter how irrelevant I think it is |
| [05:37:37] | Gumby: | its irrelevant how irrelevant I think something is :) |
| [05:37:48] | ** cesman heads back into the wood works ** | |
| [05:38:25] | ** Gumby crosses his fingers that his tuners will be added properly this time ** | |
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| [05:45:41] | Gumby: | hrm, no go. still only two tuners showing up. I've just re-added two sd-cable tuners that are in their own slave backend and also two dvb tuners that are in a second slave backend. the master backend has two dvb tuners in it as well and these are the only tuners that show up in mythweb and the only two tuners that show as "available" in mythfrontend status |
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| [05:46:54] | Gumby: | both slaves connect to the master and to my mysql server without any problems |
| [05:47:09] | ** Gumby ponders ** | |
| [05:47:19] | cesman: | I say restart the backend on all three |
| [05:47:27] | cesman: | first the master then the slaves |
| [05:47:32] | ** cesman heads back into the wood works ** | |
| [05:47:58] | Gimpy: | psm321: so how do i remove a db, or should i just unmerge sql and re-emerge it |
| [05:48:15] | Gumby: | tried the backends. I'll restart the master first then the slaves as soon as mythfilldatabase is finished running |
| [05:48:42] | psm321: | Gimpy: i can tell you how to remove the db but i dont have time right now to walk you through setting it back up |
| [05:48:47] | psm321: | as i said earlier |
| [05:49:03] | psm321: | i can do that sometime later tomorrow/today |
| [05:49:07] | psm321: | maybe |
| [05:49:25] | Gimpy: | setting it back up should be everything after emerge mysql :-) |
| [05:49:42] | psm321: | ? |
| [05:49:51] | ** Gumby wonders what gimpy is going using gentoo ** | |
| [05:50:20] | Gumby: | there are so much more easy distros out there for users who dont know a lot about linux |
| [05:50:21] | Gimpy: | i have the mythtv doc up , so i most likely can recreate ehe db but don't know how to remove one |
| [05:50:23] | psm321: | my point was that you were having trouble earlier getting the right things done in the right order, so it might be helpful to walk through it step by step |
| [05:51:04] | Gimpy: | ok, yow wana set a round abaut time so I'm not hanging out in front of my monitor |
| [05:51:38] | Gumby: | Gimpy: login to mysql (possibly mysql -umythtv -pmythtv) and then type drop database mythconverg; |
| [05:51:53] | Gumby: | boom, your DB is gone |
| [05:52:11] | psm321: | cant do that... i have no idea what my schedule is for the day (have to get my mythbox fixed, no idea how long that's going to take, etc) |
| [05:52:51] | Gimpy: | ok , thanks |
| [05:54:02] | psm321: | i'll be around at random times, and i'll poke in and say hi |
| [06:01:49] | Gumby: | BINGO!! thx for the tip cesman all tuners accounted for |
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| [06:34:04] | Dagmar: | Gumby: Generally, since I have a particularly anal-retentive init script to start mysqld in the first place, I just shut down mysqld and then rm -rf /var/lib/mysql and restart it |
| [06:34:21] | Dagmar: | I should *probably* finish polishing those things |
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| [06:34:45] | Dagmar: | ...and then submit them with giant boldface text saying "USE THESE" |
| [06:35:23] | Dagmar: | I just *don't* have to manually init the database or create the mythconverg tables with the init scripts I've built into the packages |
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| [07:18:05] | CCFL_Man2: | i gots myself a digitrans ird |
| [07:25:37] | Gumby: | can anyone here recommend a video card that can do HD. I'm running an onboard nvidia right now (7150/630i) and I still get some chopiness when watching HD |
| [07:26:47] | justinh: | video cards make FA difference tbh |
| [07:27:04] | justinh: | if it can do the resolution you need, that's all you should expect |
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| [07:27:14] | mzb_d800: | (on a fast enough machine) |
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| [07:27:33] | justinh: | you just need enough CPU etc to let the _software_ play HD... |
| [07:27:54] | CCFL_Man2: | i also have a scientific atlanta ird comming too |
| [07:29:09] | justinh: | use binary nvidia drivers and the correct options in xorg.conf & assuming your system is fast enough, HD will be a breeze |
| [07:31:05] | Gumby: | hrm. I am still getting some chopiness every now and then when watching HD. Core Duo E2180 o/c to 3Ghz |
| [07:31:29] | Gumby: | using binary nvidia drivers. my xorg could possibly be tweaked some ore |
| [07:33:16] | justinh: | and when folks mumble 'HD', do they mean easy peasy measly mpeg2 1080i HD or do they mean bastard hard h.264 AVC European HD? |
| [07:33:30] | Gumby: | I figure its video related due to the fact that CPU usage is usually quite low |
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| [07:37:39] | Gumby: | pc is outputting at 720p to the TV. I think the HD is 1080i but I am not too sure |
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| [07:47:51] | Gumby: | mpeg2 720p for most. 1080i for a few channels |
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| [08:36:07] | Gumby: | hrm, here is something interesting. mplayer plays back HD recordings flawlessly but mythth's internal player stutters on the same files. seems like Ive got something misconfigured someweheres |
| [08:38:38] | justinh: | video playback profiles ftw |
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| [08:40:37] | Zanthus: | hi, I've got a bit of a newb question. I installed mythbuntu 8.04.1 and when I watch live TV on mythtv the video and audio are WAY out of sync; I installed TVTime on the same machine and the video and audio are in sync. Where should I look to fix this sync issue in mythtv? |
| [08:41:34] | justinh: | Zanthus: the mythtv documentation for starters – that'll tell you to MUTE the audio channel on the soundcard the tv tuner audio is connected to but set that input to CAPTURE |
| [08:41:54] | justinh: | ^^^ in your favourite linux audio mixer app |
| [08:42:03] | Zanthus: | ok |
| [08:42:09] | Zanthus: | thanks :) |
| [08:44:06] | AndyCap: | Great, another product named HD-PVR. http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=4306 |
| [08:45:16] | justinh: | oh that one's been around for a while |
| [08:45:51] | justinh: | I can't see many people buying it by mistake either, having seen the price of it |
| [08:46:24] | AndyCap: | and no way of hooking it up to a computer. |
| [08:46:30] | AndyCap: | unless you count the rs-232 port |
| [08:46:46] | justinh: | and no way to record hdcp protected content either. impotent |
| [08:47:27] | justinh: | when it first emerged, IIRC it just ignored HDCP |
| [08:47:44] | justinh: | caused a bit of a stink ;) |
| [08:47:52] | AndyCap: | Hehe |
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| [08:49:20] | justinh: | wow. I knew they'd been around a while but one mention of them was in January last year |
| [08:50:53] | justinh: | yup – I did remember right – it initially allowed HDCP content to be recorded to its internal HDD but would prevent copying to an external device |
| [08:51:22] | justinh: | course nothing there would prevent anybody mounting that disk in something else :P |
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| [08:53:01] | justinh: | http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/printer_gef . . . r-1602.shtml |
| [08:53:26] | justinh: | can't remember where I read about the furore about the hdcp stuff though |
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| [08:54:25] | justinh: | 4.7GB/hour best bitrate.. bleuch |
| [08:54:32] | AndyCap: | Gefen is adding hard-drive encryption to its High-Definition Personal Video Recorder to ensure that it won't become an easy avenue for video piracy. |
| [08:54:51] | AndyCap: | Ahahaahaa Gefen did not anticipate that users would void warranty to crack the unit and use the internal drive in this fashion. |
| [08:55:02] | justinh: | BUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [08:55:24] | AndyCap: | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9898065-1 . . . =mncol;title |
| [08:55:30] | Gumby: | justinh: I'm looking at the playback profiles and trying to pick one that seems to suit my needs but I still get choppy/slowed playback of HD recordings (the same recordings play fine using mplayer). have any hints? |
| [08:55:36] | justinh: | blimey. they must have to be slow to miss a trick like that |
| [08:55:42] | justinh: | Gumby: nope |
| [08:55:57] | AndyCap: | must one of the oldest in the book |
| [08:56:22] | justinh: | anyhoo, I need to shake a leg. shops await |
| [08:56:41] | Dagmar: | It's rather likely they just decided it would be too expensive and decided to chance it |
| [08:57:49] | Dagmar: | Okay. They don't support copying to an SDCard which no one has actually _cracked_ yet to my knowledge. |
| [08:57:55] | Dagmar: | They were just being cheapasses |
| [08:59:54] | Dagmar: | In case anyone's wondering WTF I'm talking about with "cracking" sdcards, that's part of the problem with them. |
| [09:00:24] | Dagmar: | They actually support a smart-card like device that's in them that is not something you can access with the normal driver. |
| [09:01:01] | Dagmar: | Just, they were so useful for cameras, everyone's got these things, and maybe one half of one tenth of one percent of people have actually ever even seen copy-protected media in that partition. |
| [09:02:57] | Dagmar: | Since you can write whatever the heck you want to the unprotected card, only a few manufs ever even bothered to support use of the encrypted filesystem |
| [09:03:04] | Dagmar: | Well, *hidden* is more like it |
| [09:03:17] | AndyCap: | Yes. SD=secure digital. But since nobody uses it there's little incentive in cracking it |
| [09:03:53] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I think that's had a LOT to do with it |
| [09:04:44] | Dagmar: | that and Microsoft made all those pretty promises about WMA protection that took all of what, seventy two hours for someone to release a crack for? |
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| [09:09:18] | Dagmar: | The sad thing is that since they're so ridiculously small and fragile, it's decidedly NON-trivial to try to get inside one to start snooping |
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| [11:50:30] | dustybin: | what is a frame grabber chip? do computer motherboards have a 'frame grabber' chip as well as TV cards? |
| [11:50:49] | stuarta: | the clue is in the name |
| [11:50:56] | dustybin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_grabber |
| [11:51:15] | dustybin: | "A frame grabber is an electronic device that captures individual, digital still frames from an analog video signal or a digital video stream." |
| [11:51:24] | stuarta: | yes |
| [11:51:35] | dustybin: | if the video is already digital why does it need to grab frames? |
| [11:52:05] | stuarta: | "digital still frames from an analog video signal" |
| [11:52:31] | stuarta: | it's not entirely accurate |
| [11:52:54] | stuarta: | it is used for grabbing analog input and converting to digital |
| [11:53:08] | dustybin: | am i right in thinking, that a computer framegrabber is just showing you a captured image rather than the real thing? |
| [11:53:18] | dustybin: | a bit like VNC |
| [11:53:31] | stuarta: | it is used for grabbing analog input and converting to digital |
| [11:53:38] | directhex: | if a signal is already digital, a framegrabber is not involved |
| [11:53:48] | dustybin: | the wiki is wrong |
| [11:53:48] | directhex: | a framegrabber turns analog video frames into bitmaps |
| [11:54:06] | stuarta: | yes the wiki is wrong for mentioning digital -> digital as framegrabbing |
| [11:54:12] | dustybin: | yuk i dont like the sound of a frame grabber |
| [11:54:26] | ** stuarta awards dustybin his first gold star ** | |
| [11:54:39] | dustybin: | i thought computers are 100% digital anyway, so why do they need a framegrabber chip? |
| [11:54:45] | directhex: | those bitmaps then need to be saved in whatever format the pc likes, usually by compressing to something like rtjpeg |
| [11:54:54] | directhex: | dustybin, analog tv? composite video capture? |
| [11:54:58] | stuarta: | how else do you capture the output from a set top box? |
| [11:55:05] | dustybin: | directhex: im talking about a computer motherboard |
| [11:55:15] | stuarta: | not relevant here |
| [11:55:41] | directhex: | a motherboard would not have a framegrabber on it in 99.99% of circumstances |
| [11:56:13] | stuarta: | a computer does digital, so any signals input to it must be either 1. digital 2. converted to digital |
| [11:56:19] | dustybin: | i thought you can put a linux box into framegrabber mode |
| [11:56:28] | dustybin: | or was it framebuffer.. |
| [11:56:34] | stuarta: | framebuffer |
| [11:56:40] | dustybin: | ohhhhhhhh im mixed up |
| [11:56:48] | stuarta: | reset_brain() |
| [11:57:05] | dustybin: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer |
| [11:57:10] | dustybin: | freemalloc() |
| [11:57:25] | laga_: | re |
| [11:57:31] | stuarta: | fish |
| [11:58:15] | ** laga_ sets up a diskless frontend ** | |
| [11:58:21] | dustybin: | can SDTV be driven in framebuffer mode? |
| [11:58:44] | stuarta: | get a modern tv and plug your video card into the pc input |
| [11:58:52] | stuarta: | job done |
| [11:59:31] | stuarta: | failing that, some video cards provide svideo out, which is crap quality but works |
| [12:00:04] | dustybin: | im <3 my setup |
| [12:00:26] | dustybin: | im using VGA output > RGB SYNC CONVERTOR BOX > SCART RGB |
| [12:00:32] | dustybin: | lovely picture |
| [12:01:00] | stuarta: | well there you go, you are already doing what you are wibbling about |
| [12:01:03] | laga_: | my crt tv is way too old and crappy.. |
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| [12:01:29] | dustybin: | no way, crt is perfect for sdtv |
| [12:01:44] | dustybin: | lcd / plasma is terrible for sdtv |
| [12:01:47] | laga_: | no, it's like 20 years old and way too dark. |
| [12:02:00] | stuarta: | fucked is the technical term |
| [12:02:09] | laga_: | yes. |
| [12:02:16] | dustybin: | even justinh agrees with me on that |
| [12:02:44] | dustybin: | UK = 95% SDTV |
| [12:02:56] | directhex: | broadcast tv. there are other things you can do with a tv |
| [12:03:13] | stuarta: | it's not too bad |
| [12:03:13] | directhex: | i'd rather stab myself in the eyes than play xbox 360 games on a crt, for example |
| [12:03:46] | stuarta: | this is going to be a fun qualifying session in F1 |
| [12:03:53] | stuarta: | pissing it down in Monza |
| [12:04:12] | laga_: | stuarta: we have a cart race in my town, and there is so much rain :( |
| [12:04:20] | laga_: | i wonder if i should go watch anyways. |
| [12:04:37] | stuarta: | carting is great fun |
| [12:04:50] | laga_: | bernd schneider (some DTM guy) organized it. i hope they have their DTM cars there, too |
| [12:04:58] | stuarta: | cool |
| [12:05:23] | laga_: | damn, now i wanna go ;) i'll wait for the rain to stop |
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| [12:11:55] | laga_: | gah, i need to fix mythbuntu-diskless to stop it from pulling in all this gnome stuff |
| [12:14:51] | laga_: | or apache. |
| [12:16:44] | Zanthus: | hey, does mythtv work by taking the TV stream from a tuner, encoding it to disk and then playing the encoded data from disk? and do most other TV programs simply play the stream straight from the tuner? |
| [12:17:32] | stuarta: | more or less |
| [12:17:55] | stuarta: | s/encoding/recording and you would be more correct |
| [12:18:28] | Zanthus: | aha, and mythtv does it that way so that live tv can be fast forwarded and rewound? |
| [12:18:37] | stuarta: | correct |
| [12:18:42] | Zanthus: | ahhhh |
| [12:18:47] | Zanthus: | I understand now |
| [12:18:50] | Zanthus: | thanks :) |
| [12:18:54] | stuarta: | np :) |
| [12:23:08] | directhex: | laga_, stop using gtk for mythbuntu-control-centre? |
| [12:23:46] | laga_: | directhex: no, MCC is not to blame. it's some weird dependency thing with GDM which can be fixed by installing things in the right order |
| [12:23:49] | laga_: | AFAIK |
| [12:23:57] | laga_: | and gtk != gnome ;) |
| [12:25:26] | directhex: | depends how much gtk you use, and whether you pull in recommends: a lot ;) |
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| [12:26:12] | laga_: | heh |
| [12:26:25] | laga_: | mksquashfs takes a long time on my poor xp 1800+ |
| [12:26:26] | directhex: | want a silly recommends? |
| [12:27:22] | laga_: | recommends are OK, but pulling them in automagically.. |
| [12:27:42] | laga_: | i'm trying to convince a friend that SVN is not exactly useful for backups.. *sigh* |
| [12:27:54] | stuarta: | isn't that the default with aptitude? |
| [12:28:27] | directhex: | "banshee" recommends gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad. gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad depends libwildmidi0. libwildmidi0 recommends: freepats. freepats is 33 meg on disk. |
| [12:28:38] | directhex: | so banshee gets called bloated ;) |
| [12:28:53] | stuarta: | heh |
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| [12:44:09] | sebrock: | mmm, my mythweb weather is watching frontend settings it seems thus not showing any weather... but isnt it supposed to get all that by itself? |
| [12:45:10] | sebrock: | and I cant even change it to backend host,.. |
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| [12:52:26] | kdubois: | i managed to get channel names from schedulesdirect, but is there something special i have to do to get the program data? its currently blank... |
| [12:52:52] | simcop2387: | is there a way to permanently set the audio sync to say "-70ms" |
| [12:53:48] | Dibblah: | kdubois: mythfilldatabase |
| [12:54:40] | kdubois: | Dibblah: i did that... |
| [12:57:46] | stuarta: | have you subscribed and setup your channels? |
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| [13:00:23] | sebrock: | cannot get mythweb to fetch weather info... |
| [13:00:31] | sebrock: | and I dont know why it says host: frontend... |
| [13:01:49] | laga_: | oh my god |
| [13:02:02] | laga_: | i'm loading the kernel for my diskless setup from a flash drive. it's *slow* |
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| [13:04:38] | stoth: | hi |
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| [13:05:06] | stoth: | my mythtv setyp + firewire so soooooo kick-ass that I got a second firewire box. |
| [13:05:27] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [13:05:57] | laga_: | heh. odd. you're "the hauppauge guy" and you're using firewire ;) |
| [13:06:35] | stoth: | I also use mac's, windows boxes and linux.... is that also odd? :) |
| [13:06:46] | laga_: | na, that's ok ;) |
| [13:07:14] | stoth: | everything is about using the best tool. In this case myth is a perfect fit for me. |
| [13:07:29] | stoth: | except the second stb is causing issues. |
| [13:09:18] | stoth: | libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0 |
| [13:09:37] | sebrock: | anyonw knows why I dont have a weather setting i mythweb for the backend... only frontend... which doesnt show any info |
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| [13:09:53] | directhex: | sebrock, you're using an old build, before weather.com changed format? |
| [13:10:10] | laga_: | stoth: hum. in mythbuntu, we have a tool called mythprime to stabilize firewire connections. maybe that can work for you? |
| [13:10:36] | stoth: | hmm.. good point, I've never had to use that in the past. Maybe I need to do something channel related. thx. |
| [13:10:49] | ** stoth reads ** | |
| [13:10:51] | sebrock: | directhex, Im using 0.21.0+fixes16838 |
| [13:10:59] | laga_: | yay, X came up on my diskless client |
| [13:11:32] | sebrock: | and as far as I can tell it has always been this way. There is no settings for "server" (my backend), only frontend (where mythweather works fine) |
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| [13:15:07] | sebrock: | but as mythweb resides on the backend it has to work from there... |
| [13:15:22] | sebrock: | maybe Im missing some settings or something |
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| [13:16:18] | sebrock: | hm I seem to be missing stuff: |
| [13:16:57] | sebrock: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1201795 |
| [13:17:00] | sebrock: | PERL |
| [13:17:23] | sebrock: | what am I missing? |
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| [13:18:13] | directhex: | a distro with dependency tracking! |
| [13:19:04] | directhex: | and whatever your distro calls xml-perl |
| [13:19:08] | directhex: | or perl-xml. or somesuch. |
| [13:19:17] | sebrock: | I thank you |
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| [13:19:53] | dustybin: | now this is a interesting read: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1876 |
| [13:19:54] | sebrock: | kinda strange that that is not included in Ubuntu server edition |
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| [13:20:38] | directhex: | sebrock, if you installed myth from packages, file a bug |
| [13:20:56] | directhex: | sebrock, also, generally, aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search SOMETHINGTHATSMISSING |
| [13:24:32] | sebrock: | seems to be libxml-simple-perl |
| [13:25:23] | sebrock: | working now |
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| [13:28:23] | laga_: | interesting. "meme" seems to be another word "fucking annoying" |
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| [13:31:30] | sebrock: | gah what happend to europe animated map |
| [13:33:39] | sebrock: | cant search for anything on that one |
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| [14:06:36] | sebrock: | new error: Sat Sep 13 16:05:41 2008] [error] [client 91.126.96.52] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /var/www/mythweb/skins/default/img/weather/, referer: http://XXXXXX/weather |
| [14:06:51] | sebrock: | however I have Indexes specified in httpd.conf |
| [14:07:02] | sebrock: | I dont see why there is a permission error here |
| [14:07:08] | sebrock: | files are owned by www-data |
| [14:07:12] | sebrock: | set to 755 |
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| [14:16:41] | sebrock: | even more strange is that mythweb actually sdisplays one of the files in that directory but stops on the rest... |
| [14:19:28] | sebrock: | like so: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8d244a28a0.png |
| [14:19:50] | sebrock: | and then gives this error... so it sort of half-allow it |
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| [14:37:47] | fiyawerx: | hey guys, i am really confused, when i start mythfrontend, i can't read anything, it's all wavy lines and etc.. but i just set scrot to take a screenshot, and the screenshot looks perfect |
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| [14:46:55] | fiyawerx: | i'm not even usre how to describe it unless i take an actual picture |
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| [15:25:19] | frog_: | where do i change the order of which modules load first when booting the kernel? I want my wecam video to load after the mythtv video cards, it keeps grabbing /dev/video2 when its plugged in during reboot which is for my pvr500 card |
| [15:26:03] | stuarta: | research topic udev |
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| [15:31:54] | nordle: | Afternoon all, just popped in to say hello, and also, in case I'm not the only one who didn't realise, mysql will eat all your diskspace over time if you don't flush the logs. I recovered 8GB today, which was nice. http://pastebin.ca/1201864 |
| [15:32:30] | nordle: | ohh, you need to get the last log file no for the nnnnnn bit. On my system it was in /var/lib/mysql |
| [15:32:32] | stuarta: | really |
| [15:32:37] | stuarta: | never would have guessed |
| [15:32:59] | stuarta: | </sarcasm> |
| [15:33:25] | nordle: | whats with the sarcasm |
| [15:33:55] | nordle: | i dont remember seeing anywhere in the docs that you needed to be a dba to run mythtv. |
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| [15:34:29] | stuarta: | no, but certain distros enable binlogging by default which isn't needed except in certain circumstances. |
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| [15:35:49] | nordle: | As I said, I mentioned it for those, like me, who didn't realise this was going on. It took 2 years to eat 8GB, so its slow, but eventually I was looking at 91% usage on /, thinking where the fck did that go. |
| [15:35:54] | mcquaid: | i recently changed from a wired network setup to wifi. one of my clients hiccups sometimes during playback. I went through the options but didn't find anything related. Is there a client side buffer setting? |
| [15:36:06] | stuarta: | nordle: fair enough |
| [15:36:21] | stuarta: | mcquaid: switch back to wires |
| [15:36:28] | mcquaid: | heh |
| [15:36:34] | mcquaid: | so i take it there is no buffer option? |
| [15:36:48] | stuarta: | no |
| [15:36:56] | mcquaid: | hmm, wouldn't be a bad feature no? |
| [15:38:57] | wagnerrp: | nordle: somewhere in the how-tos, it says to limit the logs to 1 week |
| [15:40:08] | wagnerrp: | buffering is your problem, you just dont have enough bandwidth to support playback |
| [15:40:28] | wagnerrp: | you would need to buffer for some number of minutes ahead of time |
| [15:40:53] | nordle: | wagnerrp: Thanks, I'll definitely look that up. |
| [15:43:03] | wagnerrp: | wireless signal speed claims to be 54mbps, but there is a considerable amount of redundancy and inefficiency in the stream |
| [15:43:20] | wagnerrp: | such that peak data throughput is closer to 20mbps |
| [15:43:32] | wagnerrp: | and thats at 100% signal |
| [15:44:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple clients, you end up with far less than 20mbps total bandwidth, because of time wasted switching between them |
| [15:45:12] | wagnerrp: | if you are at a distance, your frequency spread starts narrowing to recover S/N, and your bandwidth also drops |
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| [15:49:42] | stuarta: | that's the best explanation of why not to use wireless in a long time |
| [15:51:14] | wagnerrp: | 802.11g should work under optimal conditions |
| [15:51:33] | wagnerrp: | but at best, youll get maybe one HD, or two SD streams |
| [15:52:11] | wagnerrp: | n should do a fair bit better because it has 3–4x the headroom |
| [15:52:49] | wagnerrp: | but nothing beats a few hours of effort and a box of cat6 |
| [15:53:36] | wagnerrp: | its not like you dont already have a mess of wires behind your tv, whats one more going to the frontend |
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| [15:55:04] | jamesd_: | wireless is for laptops in coffee houses and airports.. the rest of the time i do my best to be wired... |
| [15:55:37] | jamesd_: | oops wrong channel |
| [15:55:51] | stuarta: | not really |
| [15:56:33] | jamesd_: | okay.. damm i guess i should take my laptop down to the coffee house, obviously i am running low... |
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| [16:12:02] | mcquaid: | thx for the good explanation of wifi issues. but i only record stuff at like 320x240 in xvid so the bandwidth demands are pretty low so I do have enough bandwidth. It's just in say wathcing an hour show it might hiccup 6,7 times which is kinda annoying |
| [16:12:37] | mcquaid: | for ex, using mplayer to play a movie over wifi there are a fair amount of hiccups. i simply invoked the cache option and problem solved, no hiccups at all |
| [16:13:15] | mcquaid: | was looking for a similar solution with myth. yes it's MY problem, but that doesn't mean that myth couldn't provide an acceptable workaround |
| [16:13:30] | mcquaid: | and i think it would become more common as more and more people use wifi |
| [16:14:06] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [16:17:11] | wagnerrp: | the other problem is seeking |
| [16:17:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how that would be handled on a VBR stream with low bitrate network |
| [16:17:38] | mcquaid: | true, seeking would be slower with more buffering, but an acceptable tradeoff |
| [16:17:54] | mcquaid: | and if the user could tweak the value they could find the best value for their situation |
| [16:18:47] | Gumby: | hi all. I'm trying to figure out why my HD is stuttering at some points. it does it during both LiveTV and recorded TV. I can play the recordings back with player without stuttering so it seems that its the playback profile that is to blame. Can anyone confirm I am looking in the right direction? |
| [16:18:55] | Gimpy: | psm321: i droped the db and re-created it. and did a test about 2AM and "Family fude" was suposedly recared but when i play it its the news on channle 2, so i deleted that, and i had "malicum in the middle" in my recareded shows (listed but not recorded) but i had never recorded malcum in the middle, so i juht deleted it, I am runnin a nother record test right nou |
| [16:19:13] | wagnerrp: | what is 'player'? |
| [16:19:32] | Gumby: | sorry, mplayer |
| [16:19:34] | Gumby: | typo |
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| [16:20:30] | wagnerrp: | well mplayer just defaults to using xv, and has the same video libraries (ffmpeg) as mythtv |
| [16:20:47] | wagnerrp: | try switching to a profile that just uses xv for everything and see if that works |
| [16:21:09] | Gumby: | do the playback groups effect livetv also? |
| [16:21:17] | Gumby: | sorry profiles |
| [16:21:58] | wagnerrp: | playback <whatever> just affect playback with the Internal player, it doesnt matter whether its with livetv, recorded, or mythvideo |
| [16:22:26] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i got mythtv to work by just re-emerginy it. but now am having recordipg problems. the show should record but doesn't show up in recoredtv or doesn't record at all |
| [16:23:03] | wagnerrp: | check to see if you have any filters on preventing you from seeing the recordings |
| [16:23:09] | Gumby: | Gimpy: have you set up your recording directories now? |
| [16:24:54] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i didn't set any filters, Gumby: yes,( ther's new coverage interupting shows of a hurrican comming thaygh so that may account for the new :-) |
| [16:25:12] | nordle: | mmm, this is a new one, I've broken mythweb, http://pastebin.ca/1201894 The last thing I changed in the weather was the location, but I'm sure it worked since then... Any ideas? |
| [16:26:45] | fiyawerx: | not sure if anyone saw this before, but |
| [16:27:00] | fiyawerx: | hey guys, i am really confused, when i start mythfrontend, i can't read anything, it's all wavy lines.. but i just set scrot to take a screenshot, and the screenshot looks perfect |
| [16:27:15] | fiyawerx: | the regular pc display is fine until myth takes over and thats when it gets messy |
| [16:27:30] | psm321: | Gimpy: just woke up, going to be a while because i still have to go out and get tools to fix the computer |
| [16:28:48] | fiyawerx: | i'm not sure what to even check to see what the problem is |
| [16:28:51] | psm321: | Gimpy: but it's going to be hard to help you if you can't listen. i understand that you want to get it working, but when someone tells you multiple times that you've messed it up before and maybe you should have somebody walk you through it, and you go through and do random stuff on your own anyways... |
| [16:29:51] | Gimpy: | psm321: did you scroll up i rebuild the database and am running a test, it recored the wrong show i beleve( it was late when i scheduled it st i could had scheguled the wrong show so running anther record test at the the top of the hour |
| [16:30:05] | psm321: | yes i read it |
| [16:30:11] | psm321: | did you read what i just said? |
| [16:30:32] | Gimpy: | psm321: yep, |
| [16:32:06] | Gimpy: | psm, do you know what would cause "phantom recordings" malcum in the middle is in my recorded show list but i never recored or scheduled it |
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| [16:32:37] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: not sure if I am doing this right or not. I've created a custom profile "If rez > 0 0 -> XvMC" Video Renderer is xvmc-blit. Is this a correct method for creating a profile that "just uses xv"? I dont see an actual xv Decoder or Video Renderer |
| [16:32:38] | Gimpy: | psm321: so even though its not recorded it stili listed malcum in the middle upder recorded shows |
| [16:33:01] | Gumby: | psm321: did you tune to a channel that had malcom in the middle playing? |
| [16:33:08] | Gumby: | err, Gimpy |
| [16:33:13] | wagnerrp: | use xv, not xvmc |
| [16:33:19] | psm321: | Gimpy: not listening and going off and doing random things in a random order possibly resulting in an even more corrupt db |
| [16:33:28] | Gumby: | hrm, xv isnt an option |
| [16:34:12] | psm321: | Gimpy: you have to understand, people want to hep you but when you don't listen and keep doing whatever you want and then repeatedly asking the same thing, that alienates people. this is why Dagmar stopped helping you |
| [16:34:20] | psm321: | *help |
| [16:35:00] | Gumby: | standard, libmpeg2, standard xvmc, via xvmc, mac hardware....., pvr-350 decoder. If its ffmpeg then I am guessing the "Standard" Decoder should work. |
| [16:35:38] | Gimpy: | psm321: i guess it my wanting it to work, and also me wanting to atempt to fix it , that get mixed up if that makes since |
| [16:36:19] | psm321: | anyways, i'm heading out, cya later maybe |
| [16:36:32] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [16:36:34] | Gumby: | gimpy: did you tune to a channel in livetv that had malcom in the middle playing? if you did that and you dont have any filters set in your recordings list then all recording + livetv will be displayed |
| [16:37:00] | Gumby: | press "m" while in the recordings screen to set your filters |
| [16:37:15] | Gimpy: | gumby: very posible |
| [16:38:07] | Gimpy: | gumby: so what filter or type of filter do and how i set to only show recorded tv not recorded and watched |
| [16:38:28] | Gumby: | Gimpy: have you went to the recording screen and pressed "m" ? |
| [16:38:56] | Gumby: | sorry, "media library" |
| [16:39:03] | Gumby: | "watch recordings" |
| [16:39:13] | Gumby: | "press m" |
| [16:39:21] | Gumby: | "change group filter" |
| [16:39:53] | Gumby: | see whats there |
| [16:40:09] | Gimpy: | Gumby: ok i when to media library watch recordipg now i have a screen that says "select group filter" |
| [16:40:50] | Gimpy: | gumby, my choices are "all programs", "groups", "gategories" |
| [16:41:35] | Gimpy: | gumby; that should be catagories not gategories |
| [16:50:08] | Gimpy: | Gumby: just letin you know i'm up you last instuction and waiting for you (woking this listening thing :-) |
| [16:51:52] | Gumby: | Gimpy: did you delete the malcom in the middle recording already? |
| [16:52:01] | Gumby: | just choose "all programs" for now |
| [16:52:30] | Gimpy: | Gumby: yes deleted malum in the middle recordings |
| [16:53:06] | Gumby: | choose all programs and then go watch something on livetv. then go back into watch recordings and see if it shows up or not |
| [16:53:22] | Gimpy: | gumby, chose all programs |
| [16:54:56] | Gimpy: | Gumby: how long do i have to watch first before seeipg if it shows up under recording |
| [16:55:21] | Gumby: | a few seconds (probably only a second) |
| [16:55:27] | Gumby: | Im no expert though |
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| [16:57:16] | Gimpy: | Gumby: no it didn't show up, under recarded shows |
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| [16:58:20] | stuarta: | it's normally hidden |
| [16:58:29] | stuarta: | see if there's a live tv group now |
| [16:58:49] | stuarta: | however live tv recordings that are short are normally deleted quickly |
| [16:59:55] | Gimpy: | stuarta: yes there is a live tv group (2 items) |
| [17:00:25] | stuarta: | you'll find what you just watched under there |
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| [17:02:04] | Gimpy: | stuarta: i clicked on live tv group and i got a blank list i whent back and live tv group doesn't exist any more but there is "all programs (1 item) "history"(1 item) |
| [17:02:19] | Gimpy: | and default( 1 item) |
| [17:02:27] | stuarta: | heh, they just got deleted :) |
| [17:03:39] | Gimpy: | stuarta: so do i actualy need to set a filter to not show watched tv under recorded show? |
| [17:04:54] | stuarta: | theres an option somewhere in the settings |
| [17:05:52] | Gimpy: | stuarta: do you know where it is or do i need to go find it? and is setup/utilities? |
| [17:06:15] | stuarta: | i can't remember the exact location |
| [17:06:40] | Gimpy: | so i should go find ? |
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| [17:07:08] | stuarta: | setup .... |
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| [17:07:53] | Gimpy: | stuarta: myttv-setup? |
| [17:08:00] | stuarta: | no |
| [17:08:02] | stuarta: | in the frontend |
| [17:08:07] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [17:09:35] | Gimpy: | stuarta: under utilities/setup i have General, prgrom guide, playback , pleckback OSD, placyback groups, recording profiles, recordipg priorities |
| [17:09:51] | Gimpy: | what is playback 0SD? |
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| [17:11:35] | stuarta: | On Screen Display (options relating to) |
| [17:13:23] | Gimpy: | stuarta: while im in setting how do i set programs to delete oldest first as space is needed |
| [17:13:30] | Gumby: | playback page 5 |
| [17:13:44] | Gumby: | (thats for the livetv filtering) |
| [17:13:45] | fiyawerx: | anyone ever see output like this? http://www.fiyawerx.net/images/IMG00079.jpg |
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| [17:13:52] | fiyawerx: | if i take a screenshot of it while its like that, it looks perfect |
| [17:14:22] | fiyawerx: | as in, the screenshot makes it look like nothings wrong |
| [17:14:31] | Gumby: | something to do with the video overlay? (just a guess) |
| [17:14:33] | stuarta: | fiyawerx: looks like your tv can't handle the res you are sending |
| [17:14:48] | fiyawerx: | stuarta, its a 24" lcd, 1920x1200 is my display res |
| [17:15:24] | fiyawerx: | when i start mythfrontend it says 2008-09–13 13:15:23.424 Total desktop dim: 1920x1200, with 1 screen[s]. |
| [17:15:24] | fiyawerx: | 2008-09–13 13:15:23.424 Using screen 0, 1920x1200 at 0,0 |
| [17:15:38] | fiyawerx: | but then goes all wonky |
| [17:15:51] | fiyawerx: | not sure what to try changing |
| [17:17:19] | stuarta: | Gimpy: there's another setting in there somewhere that controls that |
| [17:17:25] | stuarta: | it defaults to oldest first |
| [17:17:33] | stuarta: | iirc |
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| [17:18:13] | tank-man: | your 24" does 1080p ? |
| [17:18:16] | Dagmar: | fiyawerx: You're *sure* your TV is 1920x1200? |
| [17:18:16] | fiyawerx: | yes |
| [17:18:39] | tank-man: | how much was this TV? |
| [17:18:40] | fiyawerx: | dagar, its not a tv, its my lcd over dvi, and thats what res im at right now |
| [17:18:44] | Dagmar: | fiyawerx: I mean, that seems like a strange resolution for a TV. 1200 is overkill for 1080 and manufs are usually cheap bastards about it |
| [17:18:46] | Dagmar: | OH! |
| [17:18:52] | Dagmar: | Okay that makes things considerably easier |
| [17:19:01] | fiyawerx: | yeah its a gateway fhd2400 |
| [17:19:09] | Dagmar: | So, aim for 60Hz vert refresh if yer in the US. |
| [17:19:12] | Dagmar: | It'll save you some pain |
| [17:19:29] | Dagmar: | With a little luck vertical tearing will be "something that happens to other people" |
| [17:19:39] | fiyawerx: | just not sure where to set that |
| [17:19:41] | laga_: | re. |
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| [17:19:44] | Dagmar: | Xorg.conf |
| [17:20:13] | Dagmar: | If you Google VertRefresh you will find beaucoup examples |
| [17:20:23] | Dagmar: | You won't need to set the horizontal refresh. |
| [17:20:40] | fiyawerx: | ah, looks like its VertRefresh 40.0 – 90.0 now |
| [17:20:40] | Dagmar: | X and your monitor should be modern enough that X should have no problems using EDID to actually ask the display what it's capable of, and it'll work from there. |
| [17:20:50] | Dagmar: | Okay so fix it at 60Hz. |
| [17:21:04] | Dagmar: | That'll save you a bit of headache in that what you're recording (if you're in the US) will be at 30fps |
| [17:21:06] | fiyawerx: | my regular display works ok, it was just that when mythanything starts itd oes that line thing, then if i exit its back to normal, i'll try |
| [17:21:08] | laga_: | hahaha. mythtv-dev is great sometimes. some guy wants to integrate mythtv with some flash app |
| [17:21:16] | Dagmar: | Line thing? |
| [17:21:27] | Dagmar: | laga_: get his dealer's number |
| [17:21:34] | Dagmar: | he is smoking some GOOD stuff |
| [17:21:38] | laga_: | yeah. |
| [17:21:49] | fiyawerx: | Dagmar, the link i posted up above, http://www.fiyawerx.net/images/IMG00079.jpg |
| [17:21:53] | fiyawerx: | "line thing" heh |
| [17:21:58] | Dagmar: | Oh I see |
| [17:21:59] | laga_: | i wonder if i should reply – and pour all my hate for the flash plugin into that posting. |
| [17:22:00] | fiyawerx: | as soon as i hit escape it goes back to normal on my desktop |
| [17:22:17] | Dagmar: | Yeah your Horizontal refresh was misdetected |
| [17:22:36] | Dagmar: | Look around on the web to find out what the horizrefresh should be and set it to that range. |
| [17:22:39] | Dagmar: | It should eliminate that problem |
| [17:22:48] | Dagmar: | OR! |
| [17:23:05] | Dagmar: | If you're iusing an nVidia card, I've noticed a problem for *one* of the output ports to kinda fail at EDID every time |
| [17:23:08] | fiyawerx: | but if it was xorg's problem wouldn't i not be able to get a regular display? |
| [17:23:17] | Dagmar: | So like, if you've got two DVI outputs, use the other one and reboot |
| [17:23:25] | fiyawerx: | ah, ATI here |
| [17:23:30] | Dagmar: | No, X throws the video card into an *entirely* different mode from the text display |
| [17:23:37] | fiyawerx: | onboard dvi |
| [17:23:41] | Dagmar: | Your text display can work fine and X go insane |
| [17:23:55] | fiyawerx: | wait, im in x right now tho |
| [17:24:14] | Dagmar: | I can never remember which it is, but xorgconfig or xorgsetup (one of the two) will try to probe things and get you a useable resolution |
| [17:24:23] | Dagmar: | X works fine but Myth goes crazy? |
| [17:24:24] | fiyawerx: | xfce/kde work fine is what i'm saying |
| [17:24:39] | fiyawerx: | bingo |
| [17:24:43] | Dagmar: | That would mean you've (in the past) gone in there and told it to use separate modes |
| [17:24:54] | fiyawerx: | hmm, just using whatever aticonfig gives it by default |
| [17:24:56] | Dagmar: | as in done this in mythfrontend's setup menus |
| [17:24:59] | Dagmar: | Oh hell |
| [17:25:02] | Dagmar: | That's not good then |
| [17:25:16] | Dagmar: | Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log carefully. Pastebin the entire thing if you can. |
| [17:25:24] | Dagmar: | It'll probably be saying *something* important |
| [17:25:34] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't, start X from the text console like this... |
| [17:25:50] | stuarta: | i'd check in your config if you have the setting turned on to use a different video mode for playback |
| [17:26:04] | Dagmar: | `startx 2>&1 > x.log`, then start mythfrontend, and then pastebin the x.log file |
| [17:26:18] | Dagmar: | stuarta: I was thinking that to but he apparently didn;t set that stuff |
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| [17:26:32] | stuarta: | that generally stuck in /var/log/xorg.log |
| [17:26:32] | Dagmar: | Somethin weird is happening in the driver, I'm guessing when GL is first kicked into gear |
| [17:26:50] | Dagmar: | Anyway, good luck, I gotta run |
| [17:26:58] | fiyawerx: | where is the myth config that i can check that? maybe I can remove it and have it try defaults? |
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| [17:27:36] | tank-man: | mythfrontend has a command line option to try qt instaed of gl |
| [17:28:10] | tank-man: | maybe not |
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| [17:29:33] | Anduin: | -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [17:30:06] | Anduin: | oh, not the theme painter... |
| [17:30:54] | ShdwShinobi: | When I quit the MythTV Backend Setup program it's sasying "Card 2 is set to stat on channel 131 ,which does not exist." How do I fix this? |
| [17:31:00] | ShdwShinobi: | and I only have one cad |
| [17:31:01] | ShdwShinobi: | card* |
| [17:31:27] | fiyawerx: | hm brb |
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| [17:33:15] | Anduin: | ShdwShinobi: You can change the start channel in mythtv-setup (input connections) |
| [17:33:42] | Anduin: | ShdwShinobi: that card id is ever increasing, so card 2 could be your single card |
| [17:33:55] | ShdwShinobi: | ok, got it |
| [17:33:57] | ShdwShinobi: | thanks! |
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| [17:35:17] | Dagmar: | fiyawerx: The default is for Myth to not do *anything* special with video modes, so unless you've had this running before and messed around with it then, that should not be _able_ to be your problem |
| [17:35:23] | ShdwShinobi: | Anduin, do you know if there's anyway to get the channel programming data while using Comcast? |
| [17:35:46] | Gumby: | so my issue was solved by setting the extra audio buffering to on. in the end it was nothing to do with video. grrrr |
| [17:36:24] | Dagmar: | ShdwShinobi: SchedulesDirect |
| [17:36:51] | SlicerDicer: | ok serious question for you guys. I have run my computer with myth on it for hours upon hours played dvd's videos etc... However the moment I fire up the backend my computer just shuts down blam power dead |
| [17:37:13] | ShdwShinobi: | Dagmar, ok. and does that give me the channel frequencies as well? |
| [17:37:41] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: I dont see a question there |
| [17:37:56] | SlicerDicer: | what would make firing the backend up kill the power to my comptuer |
| [17:38:06] | SlicerDicer: | there is nothing else doing it only when I fire up the backend |
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| [17:38:20] | Dagmar: | ShdwShinobi: It gets you the "everything" provided you're using analog cable. Freq table is "us-cable" (not HFC or IFC variants) |
| [17:38:27] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: how are you watching videos etc without the backend running? |
| [17:38:47] | SlicerDicer: | Gumby: errr there is videos stored? VLC ;-) |
| [17:38:59] | Dagmar: | ShdwShinobi: You won't have to tell Myth much of aything about the channels after you set that up. You set up your SchedDir account, diddle the lineups there, and Myth will download them from SchedDir during part of your mythtv-setup run |
| [17:39:09] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: can you reproduce this? |
| [17:39:12] | SlicerDicer: | Gumby: its irritating though I cannot fire up the backend... |
| [17:39:16] | SlicerDicer: | Gumby: like clockwork |
| [17:39:32] | SlicerDicer: | although no log I have checked so far shows any kind of problem |
| [17:39:33] | Gumby: | have you checked the backend logs and system logs? |
| [17:39:38] | ShdwShinobi: | Dagmar: Oh, ok. So it won't help me with digital then? Is there anyway to watch encrypted digital channels on mythtv without having to hook up to the provided cable box? |
| [17:39:40] | SlicerDicer: | I have run things over ssh to try to get it to spit it out |
| [17:39:42] | Gumby: | how are you starting the backend ? |
| [17:39:42] | SlicerDicer: | nothing... |
| [17:39:48] | SlicerDicer: | manually |
| [17:39:52] | SlicerDicer: | like I always do |
| [17:40:07] | Dagmar: | ShdwShinobi: Nope. You will have to use an STB (set top box) and an IR blaster (or firewire cable) to change channels |
| [17:40:08] | Anduin: | ShdwShinobi: No |
| [17:40:14] | Gumby: | via init script or just "mythbackend" |
| [17:40:23] | SlicerDicer: | mythbackend |
| [17:40:31] | Dagmar: | ShdwShinobi: ...but at least SD knows about digital lineups, so you again won't have to manually input all those chanels or anything |
| [17:40:37] | SlicerDicer: | I run SVN although its not been changed in months |
| [17:40:38] | SlicerDicer: | no updates |
| [17:40:44] | ShdwShinobi: | Ok |
| [17:40:50] | SlicerDicer: | I stopped running SVN updates after QT4 stuff |
| [17:41:02] | Dagmar: | SlicerDicer: So you're running 0.21-fixes then? |
| [17:41:06] | SlicerDicer: | so whats strange is I have not updated anything at all.... |
| [17:41:07] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: Have you tried accessing your capture cards with another program? |
| [17:41:20] | SlicerDicer: | andreax: mplayer /dev/video0 works fine |
| [17:41:26] | SlicerDicer: | then I can check my firewire and its fine |
| [17:41:52] | SlicerDicer: | dagar: hell if I know I figure those are for schedules direct correct? if so yes then I am |
| [17:42:17] | SlicerDicer: | damn tab completion |
| [17:42:17] | Dagmar: | SlicerDicer: 0.21-fixes is a version of myth that's stable that you get from SVN. |
| [17:42:21] | Dagmar: | Well, "stable". |
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| [17:42:34] | Dagmar: | The important thing being that it's *not* trunk, which is hit and miss |
| [17:42:47] | SlicerDicer: | Dagmar: well whats odd is I am running svn... have been running this version for long time... |
| [17:43:00] | Dagmar: | "SVN" doesn't tell us anything other than you *might* be running trunk. |
| [17:43:05] | SlicerDicer: | hang on |
| [17:43:18] | Dagmar: | If you're running trunk, you might have just now hit some weird bug that was long ago fixed. |
| [17:45:10] | SlicerDicer: | SVN 16613 |
| [17:45:16] | SlicerDicer: | yes its trunk |
| [17:45:29] | SlicerDicer: | 3/17/2008 is when I downloaded it |
| [17:45:34] | SlicerDicer: | so I have been running it a while |
| [17:45:42] | SlicerDicer: | this is why I say its odd that it all the sudden started doing this |
| [17:45:44] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
| [17:46:20] | SlicerDicer: | sorry I had to login so I could see the infoz :) long enough ago I dont remember version |
| [17:48:23] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: I don't remember from last time but is it actually powering off or just rebooting? |
| [17:48:35] | SlicerDicer: | it powers down hard |
| [17:48:44] | SlicerDicer: | so bad its damaged my raid a few times and had to rebuild it |
| [17:48:58] | SlicerDicer: | thats why I am afraid to test it :/ |
| [17:49:14] | SlicerDicer: | poof power off |
| [17:49:29] | SlicerDicer: | no shutdown at all... |
| [17:51:40] | SlicerDicer: | happens about maybe 3 mins after the backend is fired up |
| [17:52:20] | Anduin: | I'd strace the backend and check my PSU |
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| [17:53:10] | Anduin: | or setup an alternate mythconverg (or edit mc.sql and name it whatever) and try with default settings/no capture cards configured |
| [17:54:01] | SlicerDicer: | I can just delete my capture cards |
| [17:54:05] | SlicerDicer: | its not hard to add them back :) |
| [17:55:12] | Anduin: | Seems like more work than a new DB to me (new DB also ensures default settings) |
| [17:55:39] | SlicerDicer: | so its possible its the capture cards? |
| [17:55:48] | SlicerDicer: | even though they are functional and working properly? |
| [17:56:04] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: Seems unlikely, when I thought it was rebooting, well, more likely then. |
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| [18:04:57] | SlicerDicer: | Anduin: do you have any ideas of what logs I could look at? |
| [18:05:08] | SlicerDicer: | I have looked at my kernel logs, syslogs and so forth |
| [18:06:02] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: If it is a hard power down event there is little chance for it to write to a log |
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| [18:06:22] | SlicerDicer: | so what would you advise? |
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| [18:06:53] | Anduin: | What I said about, from the software side, then look at hardware (try a different PSU, remove cards, etc) |
| [18:08:09] | SlicerDicer: | ok |
| [18:08:28] | Gumby: | When I go to my Guide while watching livetv I see the following in the backend log http://pastebin.ca/1201953 Looks like maybe a misconfigured server but I'm not sure where to check |
| [18:09:53] | Gumby: | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| [18:13:08] | rdvonz: | I'm making a concept theme for mediacenters such as mythtv. |
| [18:13:21] | rdvonz: | http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/rdvon/concept-2.png |
| [18:13:34] | Gumby: | prepare to be rickrolled |
| [18:13:47] | rdvonz: | No, It's not a rickroll. |
| [18:14:06] | SlicerDicer: | Anduin: tuners deleted will see |
| [18:14:26] | rdvonz: | if it's a rickroll you can ban me from this channel. |
| [18:14:35] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [18:14:41] | SlicerDicer: | Its not a rickroll |
| [18:14:42] | Gumby: | rdvonz: a date up near the time might be nice too |
| [18:14:43] | SlicerDicer: | I looked :) |
| [18:15:11] | laga_: | never gonna give you up... |
| [18:15:27] | rdvonz: | explanation: the bottom is a slider, so when you click left right on the remote the switching will be animated, so those aren't the only options. |
| [18:15:44] | rdvonz: | and up down let's you select the sub menus. |
| [18:16:05] | rdvonz: | highlighted menus are the ones currently selected, translucent menus aren't selected. |
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| [18:16:55] | Gumby: | rdvonz: what determines which video snapshot gets shown on the "Television" tab? |
| [18:17:25] | rdvonz: | say, if you were watching a tv channel and decide to go to music. It can pause the tv. |
| [18:17:48] | rdvonz: | you go back to and it will show you what you were watching. |
| [18:17:49] | Gumby: | of course, that functionality would have to be built into mythtv first |
| [18:18:02] | SlicerDicer: | laga_: my mythbox has been letting me down |
| [18:18:10] | rdvonz: | It's built into mediaportal.. |
| [18:18:13] | SlicerDicer: | laga_: running around and shutting down LOL |
| [18:18:44] | laga_: | SlicerDicer: fix it then ,) |
| [18:18:58] | SlicerDicer: | laga_: there is no logs... it just hard shuts down when I fire up the backend |
| [18:19:05] | SlicerDicer: | I am testing it with the tuners deleted |
| [18:19:08] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: I'm curious, what happens if you shut down your sql db and then try to fire up mythbackend |
| [18:19:21] | Gumby: | err, shut down your sql server |
| [18:19:25] | SlicerDicer: | yeah |
| [18:19:28] | SlicerDicer: | its a really old db |
| [18:19:32] | SlicerDicer: | stuff dates back to 2004 |
| [18:19:32] | Gumby: | oh hell, shut down mysql ;) |
| [18:19:54] | SlicerDicer: | its been fried several times and repaired though |
| [18:19:55] | Gumby: | you could at least rule out mysql as a problem if it still powers down |
| [18:20:13] | Anduin: | The backend doesn't get far without the DB |
| [18:20:28] | Gumby: | Anduin: exactly |
| [18:20:33] | SlicerDicer: | I am running HD recording to see if that overloads it |
| [18:20:35] | SlicerDicer: | but doing good for now |
| [18:20:42] | SlicerDicer: | Shooter FTW ;-) |
| [18:20:54] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: "running"? |
| [18:20:59] | Gumby: | watching? |
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| [18:21:02] | SlicerDicer: | fuck... just died |
| [18:21:02] | Anduin: | Gumby: He said it takes about three minutes after starting the backend for it to go down |
| [18:21:31] | Gumby: | Anduin: must have missed that. I thought he said immediately |
| [18:21:48] | SlicerDicer: | like clockwork Anduin :) |
| [18:22:28] | SlicerDicer: | maybe its the commercial flagging? |
| [18:22:33] | SlicerDicer: | it was commercial flagging when it died? |
| [18:22:37] | Anduin: | Gumby: Oh he did, I've just replaced things that contradicted with my own versoin. |
| [18:22:38] | SlicerDicer: | lol I dunno |
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| [18:23:09] | SlicerDicer: | Gumby: it shuts down immediately with no proper shutdown.. however it takes about 3 mins of the backend running to do it |
| [18:23:20] | SlicerDicer: | if I do not run the backend it will not crash and runs for days |
| [18:23:26] | SlicerDicer: | I can do any number of tasks I wish to do |
| [18:23:28] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: are you overclocking at all? |
| [18:23:31] | SlicerDicer: | npo |
| [18:23:44] | SlicerDicer: | why would I need to? Its a dual core opteron :) |
| [18:24:10] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: can play the same content with mplayer without crash? |
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| [18:24:16] | SlicerDicer: | yep Gumby |
| [18:24:22] | SlicerDicer: | or vlc |
| [18:24:23] | Gumby: | well fsck. I dunno |
| [18:24:31] | SlicerDicer: | so I dont think its the hardware? |
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| [18:24:44] | AlNahar: | hi, is pvr 150 mce still the best deal? |
| [18:25:02] | SlicerDicer: | I mean if I can run video with out crash not using backend what would the backend be doing? |
| [18:26:38] | Gumby: | SlicerDicer: maybe try stress test the CPU. Get it nice and hot and see if the system crashes. |
| [18:26:49] | Gumby: | Then test the video card |
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| [18:27:01] | SlicerDicer: | I have readouts on my case for temp |
| [18:27:05] | Gumby: | to rule out hardware issues |
| [18:27:10] | SlicerDicer: | it never goes above 40c for gfx card or cpu |
| [18:27:22] | Gumby: | or at least overheating issues |
| [18:27:31] | Gumby: | yeah, but if you have bad caps, 40c may be enough |
| [18:27:38] | SlicerDicer: | bad caps? |
| [18:27:42] | Gumby: | capacitors |
| [18:27:45] | SlicerDicer: | how is that possible? I just replaced them LOL |
| [18:27:52] | SlicerDicer: | cause the computer was malfunctioning |
| [18:28:00] | SlicerDicer: | I replaced them and it all went well |
| [18:28:06] | SlicerDicer: | high quality caps on there |
| [18:28:06] | Gumby: | you replaced the capacitors on the mobo? |
| [18:28:09] | SlicerDicer: | yep |
| [18:28:17] | laga_: | "i just replaced them and it's not working, but i replaced them right" |
| [18:28:25] | Gumby: | lol |
| [18:28:27] | SlicerDicer: | I replaced them 4 months ago |
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| [18:28:38] | SlicerDicer: | damn it... this is why I dont mention this shit cause I catch flak |
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| [18:28:53] | laga_: | you are on the intarwebs |
| [18:29:04] | Gumby: | if your caps go sometimes its not the caps, sometimes it can be things like voltage regulators etc. check the caps for bulging |
| [18:29:11] | Gumby: | and check your psu also |
| [18:29:18] | SlicerDicer: | Gumby: psu blew and damaged the caps is what happened |
| [18:29:22] | SlicerDicer: | I replaced PSU and caps |
| [18:29:28] | SlicerDicer: | end of story everything worked fine |
| [18:29:29] | Gumby: | did it damage anything else? |
| [18:29:31] | SlicerDicer: | no |
| [18:29:37] | Gumby: | you sure :) |
| [18:29:42] | SlicerDicer: | I ran tests on memory and all that |
| [18:29:56] | SlicerDicer: | stressed the gpu with games |
| [18:30:11] | SlicerDicer: | 100% functional as I said unless I fire up mythbackend |
| [18:30:41] | Gumby: | and you tried backing up the db and starting with a fresh one? |
| [18:30:47] | SlicerDicer: | not that yet |
| [18:30:56] | SlicerDicer: | been trying to avoid that |
| [18:30:59] | Gumby: | get-er-done |
| [18:31:41] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: just create a new DB, a simple mc.sql edit and a mysql.txt edit |
| [18:31:51] | AlNahar: | what's the best inexpensive pvr card right now, the mce 150? |
| [18:31:54] | SlicerDicer: | brb |
| [18:32:16] | Gumby: | AlNahar: as far as I know the pvr 150 is still a decent analog card. But I dont know much |
| [18:32:50] | AlNahar: | it seems to be deactivated a lot of places |
| [18:32:52] | AlNahar: | or no longer for sale |
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| [18:33:44] | SlicerDicer: | backing up db :) |
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| [18:34:07] | Gumby: | AlNahar: still lots available where I shop |
| [18:34:24] | AlNahar: | i mean, online, all the places i see the 150 mce and remote bundle, they are sold out or something |
| [18:35:08] | Gumby: | www.ncix.com |
| [18:35:11] | Gumby: | they'll have it |
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| [18:36:45] | AlNahar: | yeah, at $102:O |
| [18:36:48] | AlNahar: | way more, hmm |
| [18:37:04] | AlNahar: | Gumby: if i buy a remote separately is that cheaper? |
| [18:37:15] | AlNahar: | i can get just the card refurbished for $50 including s&h |
| [18:37:16] | Anduin: | He does seem to be right though... |
| [18:38:29] | Gumby: | you could get a remote and an irc receiver separetely yes |
| [18:38:41] | Gumby: | you can often find mce remotes on ebay too |
| [18:38:54] | AlNahar: | when you buy the mce kit, it comes with card, remote, and usb receiver, or the card has the receiver? |
| [18:39:15] | Gumby: | the mce kit comes with a USB receiver |
| [18:39:18] | AlNahar: | k |
| [18:39:44] | Gumby: | the remote might come with a receiver might not |
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| [18:41:00] | SlicerDicer: | fresh db |
| [18:41:03] | SlicerDicer: | will see what happens |
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| [18:42:48] | MrMadMoneyMan: | It would seem that the buttons on my mythfronend are not drawing, any ideas? |
| [18:43:48] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: recently switch to the gl painter? |
| [18:44:04] | MrMadMoneyMan: | nope, always used the QT one |
| [18:44:06] | SlicerDicer: | Anduin: this will not be the first time I have had to do mojo with the db :) |
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| [18:44:41] | SlicerDicer: | actually the last time my DB went crazy I lost all my recordseek and recordedmarkup... timebase went crazy |
| [18:44:51] | SlicerDicer: | restored all that crap :) |
| [18:45:10] | SlicerDicer: | guess thats what happens when your database is as old as mine eh? |
| [18:45:31] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: I just tried using the openGL painter and still the same problem |
| [18:46:07] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer: My main DB is several years "old", most of it |
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| [18:48:22] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: If you don't have a lot invested in how it looks you may try mythfrontend -r, or look for theme errors during load |
| [18:48:59] | justinh: | the users list gets ever worse. now talking about sharing recordings between _remote_ systems from different users. time to hit the 'moderate' button |
| [18:50:07] | justinh: | oh but it's okay – it's only because his friend has a different package of channels :-\ |
| [18:50:31] | MrMadMoneyMan: | 2008-09–13 13:34:46.689 No theme dir: /root/.mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T ... you think this might do it? |
| [18:51:04] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: that should just be the cache (pre-scaled images) |
| [18:51:05] | AlNahar: | is hvr-1600 better than pvr-150 mce? |
| [18:51:30] | CCFL_Man2: | AlNahar: you still use analog cable? |
| [18:51:47] | AlNahar: | yup |
| [18:51:53] | justinh: | AlNahar: in terms of the pvr150 only doing analogue... then yes I suppose the HVR1600 is 'better' |
| [18:52:07] | AlNahar: | so the hvr-1600 does digital cable? |
| [18:52:09] | AlNahar: | and analog? |
| [18:52:24] | AlNahar: | i mean, does it have hardware encoding like the 150, etc? |
| [18:52:24] | justinh: | digital cable is most usually encrypted |
| [18:52:39] | laga_: | g'night |
| [18:52:47] | AlNahar: | this is the one i am looking at: http://www.buy.com/prod/hauppauge-wintv-hvr-1 . . . 3973440.html |
| [18:52:51] | justinh: | if it aint you're lucky if you can get what you'd get through an antenna |
| [18:52:53] | CCFL_Man2: | no way to do digital cable other than in the clear |
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| [18:53:08] | AlNahar: | i was going to buy a pvr 150-mce but most of them i see online don't have a remote |
| [18:53:40] | mchou: | pvr150?? What for? It's obsolete |
| [18:53:53] | AlNahar: | its an inexpensive and decent card |
| [18:54:15] | AlNahar: | wow! it's $30 for an hvr-1600 with a remote |
| [18:54:24] | mchou: | AlNahar: and seriously, any remote should work |
| [18:54:30] | mchou: | AlNahar: where? |
| [18:54:31] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: any other ideas on what would cause problems mythTV menus to stop drawing? |
| [18:55:10] | AlNahar: | mchou: if you could first tell me if it's worth exchanging a pvr-150 mce for an hv-1600 |
| [18:55:12] | AlNahar: | hvr |
| [18:55:34] | AlNahar: | err upgrading |
| [18:55:44] | mchou: | I'd do it if you have the approriate slot |
| [18:55:49] | AlNahar: | ? |
| [18:55:51] | AlNahar: | it's not a pci slot? |
| [18:55:57] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: You see no sign of the buttons or just no text? |
| [18:56:06] | MrMadMoneyMan: | no sign of the buttons |
| [18:56:08] | MrMadMoneyMan: | some do work |
| [18:56:09] | AlNahar: | mchou: im not familiar with the hvr pvr difference |
| [18:56:17] | MrMadMoneyMan: | but on the GANT theme, I cant see anything |
| [18:56:21] | Anduin: | The 1600 is PCI, the 1800 is PCI-e 1x |
| [18:56:24] | MrMadMoneyMan: | other then the text boxes |
| [18:56:40] | AlNahar: | oh, so 1600 is hd-tv |
| [18:56:43] | mchou: | AlNahar: sorry, momentary model confusion |
| [18:56:57] | AlNahar: | in the mean time, i will just be using analog cable |
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| [18:57:21] | AlNahar: | i mean, does hvr-1600 still have hardware encoding like the pvr-150? |
| [18:57:42] | mchou: | AlNahar: yup |
| [18:57:52] | AlNahar: | wow, this is a mac daddy deal then |
| [18:57:56] | Anduin: | AlNahar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
| [18:58:12] | AlNahar: | does it use the same linux driver? |
| [18:58:32] | MrMadMoneyMan: | this just started after I installed a nuvexport package |
| [18:58:57] | mchou: | AlNahar: where is linky for hvr-1600 deal? |
| [18:59:14] | AlNahar: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . m_keycode=67 |
| [18:59:23] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: It should be unrelated. You can try a different theme with mythfrontend -O Theme=themename |
| [18:59:34] | MrMadMoneyMan: | I tried that |
| [18:59:35] | SlicerDicer: | Anduin: stabull |
| [18:59:44] | SlicerDicer: | db was issue |
| [18:59:50] | mchou: | AlNahar: go for it |
| [18:59:51] | MrMadMoneyMan: | the blue theme works better |
| [18:59:57] | AlNahar: | it looks like it's not in stock locally |
| [18:59:58] | AlNahar: | haha |
| [19:00:00] | MrMadMoneyMan: | but still has some missing elements |
| [19:00:01] | mchou: | AlNahar: I'd do it |
| [19:00:06] | AlNahar: | i dont get the $20 thing it's talking about |
| [19:00:15] | mchou: | AlNahar: so what, buy online |
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| [19:00:19] | AlNahar: | i dont think you can |
| [19:00:48] | mchou: | CC doesnt sell online? |
| [19:00:56] | AlNahar: | it seems this item is only available for local pickup |
| [19:01:12] | mchou: | so, do that. avoid shipping charges :) |
| [19:01:37] | AlNahar: | All of your items are unavailable. |
| [19:01:44] | AlNahar: | Notify me when available |
| [19:01:44] | mchou: | haha |
| [19:01:49] | mchou: | good ol CC |
| [19:01:59] | mchou: | almost worse than BB |
| [19:02:54] | AlNahar: | so there's no reason, even if you want to use it a lot in xp, to get the pvr-150 over the hvr-1600? |
| [19:03:14] | AlNahar: | why do they call it a "hybrid video recorder" cuz it's analog and digital? |
| [19:03:37] | mchou: | yeah, pretty much |
| [19:03:50] | mchou: | XP?? wth |
| [19:04:08] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: If it is missing text it could be a font issue, you could also delete the cache directory and make sure the theme hasn't been corrupted. |
| [19:04:08] | mchou: | you dont want to use XP |
| [19:04:24] | AlNahar: | i may have to use it in both |
| [19:04:32] | AlNahar: | drat, not available for shipping |
| [19:04:34] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: where is the cache dir? |
| [19:04:35] | mchou: | or any MSFT OS. Unstable for pvr use |
| [19:04:54] | mchou: | AlNahar: you must be kidding me |
| [19:04:55] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [19:05:02] | SlicerDicer: | mchou: NUHUH!!!! its stabill! MSFT ftw! ;-) |
| [19:05:05] | mchou: | AlNahar: unavail for shipping?? |
| [19:05:11] | AlNahar: | mchou: the cheap one from cc, yes |
| [19:06:06] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: no dice on the themes |
| [19:06:11] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: no dice on the theme cache* |
| [19:06:26] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: any suggestions on resolving a font issue? |
| [19:06:48] | mchou: | AlNahar: the link on top says :Outlet |
| [19:07:05] | AlNahar: | yeah, i guess that means store only? |
| [19:07:26] | AlNahar: | mchou: you can get the hvr-1250 with remote for $51 |
| [19:07:31] | mchou: | AlNahar: I honestly dont know what they mean by outlet |
| [19:08:16] | MrMadMoneyMan: | when I try to run mythfrontend -r I get this error,,,, DisplaResX: Unable to XRRgetScreenInfo |
| [19:08:18] | mchou: | is hvr-1600 end of life?? |
| [19:08:34] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is still very much in production |
| [19:08:38] | ** rdvonz is surprised people are talking ** | |
| [19:08:42] | wagnerrp: | the PVR line are EOLd |
| [19:08:46] | rdvonz: | does the htdv wonder work in media portal? |
| [19:08:49] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [19:09:02] | AlNahar: | mchou: is the 1600 worth $35 more than the 1250 hvr? |
| [19:09:08] | rdvonz: | ah, I thought this was the media portal channel. |
| [19:09:10] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [19:09:12] | rdvonz: | I always do that. |
| [19:09:23] | AlNahar: | i am looking at the hvr-1250 with remote for $51 |
| [19:09:25] | mchou: | AlNahar: the hvr-1600 is the cheaper one :) |
| [19:09:29] | wagnerrp: | AlNahar: that depends, do you want analog capture? |
| [19:09:31] | AlNahar: | really? |
| [19:09:42] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: like for analog cable? |
| [19:09:50] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:09:51] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: it is usually just installing some package that includes fonts, a howto for your distro should cover it (or if from packages should have depended on it) |
| [19:09:59] | AlNahar: | yes |
| [19:10:01] | mchou: | AlNahar: you showed me link hvr-1600 for $30 :) |
| [19:10:08] | wagnerrp: | then get the 1600 |
| [19:10:11] | AlNahar: | mchou: yeah, but its not in stock and will probably never be:O |
| [19:10:18] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: ? http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1250.html |
| [19:10:26] | AlNahar: | it says it supports analog cable |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | the 1250 is a hybrid tuner, you can capture one stream at a time, and there is no mpeg encoder, just a frame grabber |
| [19:10:39] | Anduin: | support and works in linux being different |
| [19:10:45] | AlNahar: | oh, no hardware encoding? |
| [19:11:00] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is a dual tuner, you can capture both the digital and analog streams at the same time, and it is an mpeg encoder |
| [19:11:06] | AlNahar: | ah ok then |
| [19:11:10] | AlNahar: | i definitely want a hardware encoder |
| [19:11:26] | mchou: | AlNahar: good choice if you still use analog |
| [19:11:34] | AlNahar: | mchou: which, the 1600? |
| [19:11:35] | wagnerrp: | think of the 1600 as a 1250 and a 150 on the same card |
| [19:11:44] | mchou: | framegrabbers are lame |
| [19:11:48] | AlNahar: | ok then |
| [19:11:51] | AlNahar: | the 1600 it is, thx |
| [19:12:12] | wagnerrp: | the only problem is that its PCI as opposed to PCIe |
| [19:12:16] | AlNahar: | i have to buy one of them soon, so i will get the hvr-1600 for $85 for a friend who needs it and hope cc eventually emails me for the $30 one:) |
| [19:12:32] | mchou: | wagnerrp: PCI is NO problem. PCI-E is |
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| [19:12:44] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 is effectively the PCIe version of the 1600, but it has some different chips, so the analog tuner is not yet acceptable in myuthtv |
| [19:12:55] | mchou: | wagnerrp: that's one thing I dislike about 1800 |
| [19:12:59] | wagnerrp: | s/acceptable/usable/ |
| [19:13:16] | mchou: | I mean they should come out with just a PCI version of that |
| [19:13:34] | wagnerrp: | pci version of what? |
| [19:14:02] | mchou: | whichever the dual ATSC tuner one is called |
| [19:14:03] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 and 1800 are identical in capabilities, except for the interconnect |
| [19:14:12] | wagnerrp: | the dual tuner is the 2250 |
| [19:14:23] | mchou: | yeah, 2250 it is then |
| [19:14:32] | AlNahar: | do you guys know if they made it to where mythtv mixer can work with oss4? |
| [19:14:45] | AlNahar: | err mythtv can use a oss4 mixer |
| [19:15:34] | mchou: | oss4?? damn, I'm behind :) |
| [19:16:00] | mchou: | use alsa and get over oss :) |
| [19:16:00] | AlNahar: | i cant use alsa cuz i have emu20k1 |
| [19:16:14] | AlNahar: | :O |
| [19:16:42] | wagnerrp: | emu20k1 is... xfi? |
| [19:16:42] | mchou: | get a new mobo :) |
| [19:16:49] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: yes |
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| [19:17:05] | mchou: | AlNahar: use the on board sound |
| [19:17:06] | AlNahar: | they still have not added alsa support for it |
| [19:17:07] | wagnerrp: | oss has support before alsa? |
| [19:17:15] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: it's had support for months, it's ridiculous |
| [19:17:24] | wagnerrp: | i thought oss was dead |
| [19:17:27] | AlNahar: | oss4 is new |
| [19:18:18] | wagnerrp: | the drivers on the creative site mention something about alsa |
| [19:18:27] | AlNahar: | yeah, those don't work with a bunch of cards, such as mine |
| [19:18:30] | AlNahar: | they lock on boot |
| [19:18:39] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
| [19:18:52] | AlNahar: | an hp emu20k1 |
| [19:19:00] | AlNahar: | uses x-fi drivers in windows, and oss4 |
| [19:19:06] | AlNahar: | but with creative's linux driver, it crashes |
| [19:19:14] | wagnerrp: | oh, so the alsa drivers are only for creative cards, you have a rebranded one |
| [19:19:24] | mchou: | haha |
| [19:19:35] | AlNahar: | yeah, but i can use the creative drivers in windows. i mean, the chipset is the same. |
| [19:19:43] | wagnerrp: | thats... odd |
| [19:19:46] | mchou: | I wouldnt trust creative & linux :0 |
| [19:19:57] | AlNahar: | i mean, it was around 1/2 to 1/4 the price of the creative card:) |
| [19:20:14] | AlNahar: | but others who have creative cards have similar problems with the creative driver |
| [19:20:18] | wagnerrp: | which one is it comparable to? |
| [19:20:32] | wagnerrp: | mine was $65 when i bought it |
| [19:20:36] | AlNahar: | hold on |
| [19:20:44] | AlNahar: | wagnerrp: is yours emu20k1 or the older chipset? |
| [19:20:46] | AlNahar: | x-fi audio? |
| [19:20:49] | AlNahar: | 03:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi |
| [19:20:51] | wagnerrp: | but i have the low end legitimate x-fi |
| [19:20:55] | wagnerrp: | xtreme music |
| [19:21:01] | AlNahar: | ah. i think mine was like $35 or so |
| [19:21:24] | wagnerrp: | the xtreme audio is just a rebranded audigy 2 with the x-fi programming emulated on the CPU |
| [19:21:28] | AlNahar: | right |
| [19:21:51] | AlNahar: | i think mine is sb0670 |
| [19:21:57] | JoshBorke: | has anyone tried the cx23885 analog tree yet? |
| [19:21:57] | AlNahar: | or something |
| [19:22:02] | JoshBorke: | for the hvr 1800 that is |
| [19:22:24] | wagnerrp: | JoshBorke: the 1800 is not an ivtv card |
| [19:22:47] | wagnerrp: | so even if you get the card running on linux, you cannot use it with mythtv |
| [19:23:06] | wagnerrp: | someone has to write a new card type for it |
| [19:23:28] | AlNahar: | thanks all, bye |
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| [19:26:18] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: but other than that it is ready? |
| [19:26:21] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: how do I change the font that myth uses? |
| [19:26:47] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, the 1800 works just fine in linux |
| [19:26:50] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: You don't, really, if you mean the theme one, it is in the theme file(s) |
| [19:26:54] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv does not know how to control it |
| [19:27:20] | Anduin: | Yeah, but that should be the easy part |
| [19:27:21] | wagnerrp: | since the interface is different from the 150/250/350/500/1600 cards |
| [19:27:24] | MrMadMoneyMan: | anduin: are all of the theme files in the same place? |
| [19:27:35] | mchou: | I dont think new card type in myth is such a big deal |
| [19:27:43] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: usually /usr/(loacal)/share/mythtv |
| [19:28:30] | JoshBorke: | i can confirm that the digital portion of the 1800 works in mythtv |
| [19:28:33] | Anduin: | Yeah, I have a 250 that is mostly bad and was leaning towards the 1800 but still need analog for a bit |
| [19:28:55] | JoshBorke: | it can apparently tune 2 digital channels at once |
| [19:28:58] | mchou: | 250 gone bad? |
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| [19:29:17] | wagnerrp: | JoshBorke: the 2250 can tune 2 digital channels at once |
| [19:29:30] | mchou: | JoshBorke: that depends on your defininition of "channel" :) |
| [19:29:36] | Anduin: | mchou: I have a collection of them where the tuner starts to slowly fail... |
| [19:29:38] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 (and any other digital card) can receive multiple subchannels from a single channel at once |
| [19:29:55] | mchou: | Anduin: really? what are the symptoms? |
| [19:30:19] | wagnerrp: | a digital channel is usually multiplexed into 2–6 subchannels |
| [19:30:22] | JoshBorke: | yea, i didn't actually check if they were different channels (and not sub channels) |
| [19:30:29] | mchou: | Anduin: you cant tune? it's tunes and the fizz? |
| [19:30:35] | wagnerrp: | a cable channel can have as much as 20 subchannels (or hundreds if audio only) |
| [19:30:51] | Anduin: | mchou: If you are lucky, just losing certain channels at the start, then it looks like no v-hold/ick, then it starts to crash the ivtv driver (s-video capture works though) |
| [19:31:32] | mchou: | Anduin: bah. the tuner on x50 sucked anyways, even when they work :) |
| [19:32:00] | mchou: | Anduin: svideo better way to go for those cards |
| [19:32:04] | Anduin: | mchou: Yeah, I agree, I just hate having another cable box just for that |
| [19:32:31] | mchou: | cable box?? Man got get a VCR at goodwill :) |
| [19:32:41] | mchou: | s/got/go |
| [19:32:49] | Anduin: | Yeah, I hate the ir blasters more |
| [19:33:04] | mchou: | lol |
| [19:34:54] | Anduin: | I only think they are reliable if you don't let living things near them, older serial control cable boxes just work |
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| [19:35:22] | mchou: | Anduin: or maybe tuners overheated? |
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| [19:36:23] | shadowhywind: | hay all, i am trying to st up mythtv , i have the tunercard loaded (lspci sees it) and so does mythtv but when i scan for channels in the setup it can't find any |
| [19:36:40] | mchou: | that's normal |
| [19:36:53] | Anduin: | mchou: It would be possible, after the first one failed I started to cool them directly (though only an extra fan), I don't actually know how susceptible they are. |
| [19:37:19] | mchou: | Anduin: yeah |
| [19:38:07] | Anduin: | shadowhywind: Which card? |
| [19:38:43] | shadowhywind: | its an HP expresscard (hauppauge winttv-hvr1500 |
| [19:38:43] | dustybin: | i think opendns name servers are being DOS'd |
| [19:43:39] | Anduin: | shadowhywind: Which part are you trying the scan on (analog or digital), if analog have you tried ignoring the scan and just trying (assuming some external listing source) |
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| [19:44:16] | shadowhywind: | Anduin: thats the thing, i don't know how to tell it to look for analog or digital |
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| [19:44:58] | Anduin: | shadowhywind: Which did you add? (note: I don't actually have a hybrid card where both sides work) |
| [19:45:01] | dimbulb: | I'm installing a Bt878 card, and while I have video in tvtime and xawtv, all I get in mythtv is a solid green screen and audio. It seems like this is a common error, but I don't see anything authoraive about how to fix it. |
| [19:45:11] | mchou: | holy crap! |
| [19:45:24] | shadowhywind: | Anduin: what do you mean add? hehe |
| [19:45:25] | dimbulb: | authorative, sorry. |
| [19:45:34] | mchou: | what is this, Luddite convention? |
| [19:45:44] | mchou: | bt878??? |
| [19:45:50] | Anduin: | shadowhywind: I mean configure the capture card in mythtv-setup, like here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
| [19:45:55] | dimbulb: | It was $4 at a garage sale. |
| [19:46:19] | dimbulb: | I figured it would be a good second tuner when my digital tuner is busy. |
| [19:46:23] | mchou: | dimbulb: hat about $4 too much |
| [19:46:32] | mchou: | that's* |
| [19:46:59] | dimbulb: | that's.... nice. |
| [19:47:08] | mchou: | bt878 are good for radio though |
| [19:47:27] | shadowhywind: | Anduin: let me follow those for a bit and see what happens |
| [19:47:46] | dimbulb: | indeed, and a radio it has |
| [19:48:03] | dimbulb: | that I've got working |
| [19:48:15] | mchou: | dimbulb: you impersonating Yoda on irc? |
| [19:51:11] | Anduin: | dimbulb: Is there any help in the backend log? |
| [19:53:00] | dimbulb: | Anduin: let me check.. |
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| [19:55:54] | dimbulb: | VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy |
| [20:01:32] | Anduin: | dimbulb: the only relevant thing I found is this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/336470 I don't know how accurate it is |
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| [20:02:05] | dimbulb: | thanks |
| [20:02:09] | dimbulb: | I'll play around a bit more |
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| [20:03:54] | Gumby: | I've never been concerned with more than stereo sound. anyone know how well something like 5.1 sound works in linux? (of course it'd depend on sound card support) |
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| [20:12:43] | zippytech2: | i have hughsnet and cannot get the sd to downloads any idea how to fix it, so far the only way i can get it to work is setup a dialup router and then download the guide over dial up |
| [20:13:43] | mchou: | zippytech2: no idea on that one |
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| [20:14:18] | mchou: | zippytech2: I'm surprised you can even get the listings |
| [20:14:30] | zippytech2: | just on dialup |
| [20:14:38] | zippytech2: | no over hughsnet |
| [20:14:52] | zippytech2: | hughs usesa proxy of some sort |
| [20:14:56] | mchou: | so how is that any different than tivo? |
| [20:15:25] | zippytech2: | don't know |
| [20:15:32] | mchou: | as far as listings are concerned |
| [20:15:58] | zippytech2: | scdualsdirect said they thought it was my myth box but i can do the dialup router and it works fine |
| [20:16:16] | zippytech2: | Failed writing HTTP request: Bad file descriptor. |
| [20:16:23] | zippytech2: | thats all i get on hughs |
| [20:16:34] | mchou: | I dont get it |
| [20:16:49] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for having satellite internet... :P |
| [20:16:55] | mchou: | doe SD provide Hughes listings? |
| [20:17:03] | zippytech2: | yea it sucks bad |
| [20:17:12] | mchou: | does* |
| [20:17:36] | zippytech2: | the have direct tv listings |
| [20:17:55] | zippytech2: | brb |
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| [20:22:01] | dimbulb: | looks like it might be kernel related |
| [20:22:03] | dimbulb: | compile ahoy |
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| [20:39:41] | cak: | Hi all |
| [20:40:05] | cak: | could somebody walk me thru mythtv-setup to use it with composite input? |
| [20:41:01] | cak: | anybody alive ? |
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| [20:42:14] | Anduin: | Yes, but many are probably unwilling to hand-hold, if you have a problem start there. |
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| [20:42:48] | cak: | Anduin, i just cant get it to work |
| [20:42:50] | Anduin: | cak: and #mythtv isn't an alternate channel for use when it takes a few moments to get an answer here |
| [20:43:04] | cak: | i set up video card |
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| [20:43:15] | cak: | i set up video source |
| [20:43:33] | Anduin: | and you associate the source with the input = done |
| [20:43:36] | cak: | but when i try to config input connections i have a problem |
| [20:44:25] | cak: | how do i add channel ? |
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| [20:45:33] | Anduin: | cak: which source did you configure? |
| [20:45:49] | cak: | composite1 |
| [20:45:58] | Anduin: | not input, source |
| [20:47:17] | cak: | i named it tv , listing grabber = no grabber, channel frequency table=default |
| [20:48:04] | Anduin: | cak: You can add a channel in the channel editor, what is your eventual goal? |
| [20:48:40] | cak: | i'm trying to watch my cable box thru mythtv and to be able to record pause etc |
| [20:49:00] | Anduin: | cak: and how will you get listing data? |
| [20:49:10] | cak: | i don't need listing data |
| [20:49:12] | cak: | do i ? |
| [20:49:30] | cak: | i just want to use it as dvr |
| [20:49:34] | Anduin: | If you use MythTV as you would an old VCR, no |
| [20:49:58] | cak: | i don't have ir blaster yet so for now yes i want to use it as old vcr :) |
| [20:50:17] | cak: | but for some reason i cant configure it |
| [20:50:54] | cak: | if u could give me a hint what am i doing wrong ? |
| [20:51:23] | Anduin: | Most people just skip where you are, you can use the channel editor, manually add the channels you want, without a blaster it will always record the same thing though (whatever is on composite1) |
| [20:51:56] | cak: | ok one sec let me c channel editor |
| [20:52:04] | Anduin: | You can also just pretend you will get a blaster soon, and look at SD (for US/Canada) |
| [20:55:44] | cak: | card1( type composite1) is set to start on channelwhich doesnot exist please add |
| [20:56:08] | Anduin: | cak: So modify the start channel to be the one you added |
| [20:56:44] | cak: | ok i did let's c |
| [20:57:36] | cak: | again nothing black screen |
| [20:57:38] | cak: | :( |
| [20:57:54] | cak: | when i go watch tv |
| [20:58:07] | JoshBorke: | |
| [20:58:16] | JoshBorke: | oopsies |
| [20:58:16] | Anduin: | cak: Which capture card? |
| [20:58:53] | cak: | pixelview pro |
| [20:58:54] | Anduin: | cak: and are there possibly multiple composite inputs listed in mythtv-setup? |
| [20:59:05] | cak: | actually yes |
| [20:59:14] | cak: | there is composite1 and composite3 |
| [20:59:23] | cak: | shell i try composite3 |
| [20:59:24] | cak: | ? |
| [20:59:40] | Anduin: | cak: Yes |
| [20:59:59] | MrMadMoneyMan: | Is there any push to stop using the .nuv container? |
| [21:00:03] | Anduin: | (I don't have the card so I'm not sure it is correct, but worth trying) |
| [21:00:11] | MrMadMoneyMan: | I have to say that .nuv is really lame |
| [21:00:17] | directhex: | MrMadMoneyMan, yeah. it's called "digital tv" |
| [21:00:40] | MrMadMoneyMan: | that is going to be the new container? |
| [21:00:42] | Anduin: | MrMadMoneyMan: most of us only see .nuv if we transcode |
| [21:00:50] | MrMadMoneyMan: | yeah |
| [21:01:27] | GreyFoxx: | You have the option of usng an external script such as nuvexport to transcode to another container/codec etc |
| [21:01:40] | MrMadMoneyMan: | I know when mythTV was devised it was thought that .nuv files for transcoding was a good idea because it was thought to use less CPU |
| [21:01:52] | MrMadMoneyMan: | but now I would think something like MKV would be best suited for mythTV |
| [21:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | It's not for cpu usage |
| [21:02:30] | GreyFoxx: | It was just a better container wth none of the audio sync issues crapper containers like avi lend themselves too |
| [21:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | I do know Captain_Murdoch has been working on code to use avi's as an option but I don't know whatstate that's in |
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| [21:04:02] | MrMadMoneyMan: | has there been any consideration of matroska (.mkv) or the ogg container? |
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| [21:04:33] | GreyFoxx: | There has been no real developer discussion on the subject |
| [21:04:54] | cak: | Anduin, still nothing |
| [21:04:55] | GreyFoxx: | Captain was working on the code to use "alternate" containers and that was the end of it :) |
| [21:05:11] | cak: | Anduin, black screen and then back to menu |
| [21:05:16] | GreyFoxx: | And that was a while ago. |
| [21:05:20] | Anduin: | cak: and you are sure things are hooked up correctly, you can use some other application an it works? |
| [21:05:39] | cak: | yes tvtime works fine |
| [21:06:04] | MrMadMoneyMan: | GreyFoxx: do other users ever bring up their problems with .nuv? |
| [21:06:11] | Anduin: | cak: check the backend log |
| [21:06:22] | GreyFoxx: | MrMad: Once in a while |
| [21:06:40] | Andrew_Barber: | so my roommate is pushing to upgrade to dish's turboHD...how long would people guess before myth will be able to make the transition? |
| [21:06:41] | GreyFoxx: | many just use nuvexport or an externa job script instead |
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| [21:07:10] | MrMadMoneyMan: | yeah, I am setting that up now |
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| [21:07:35] | Decepticon: | is it a bad idea to buy hauppauge pvr 150? because of digital flip in the USA |
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| [21:07:47] | GreyFoxx: | I use nuvexport mysef when I'm panning to archive a show and internal if I just want to shave down disk usage |
| [21:08:05] | Anduin: | Decepticon: Only if you record OTA (at least for a few year more) |
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| [21:08:11] | Andrew_Barber: | Decepticon: as i understand it, the card will be fine for SD STB's |
| [21:08:42] | Andrew_Barber: | to be honest, i've had trouble finding pvr-150s |
| [21:08:44] | Decepticon: | i record from the cable plug in the wall |
| [21:08:48] | directhex: | MrMadMoneyMan, NUV is something you only see if you're using analog capture. those of us with digital get mpg from the start |
| [21:08:55] | Anduin: | Andrew_Barber: they are end of lifed |
| [21:09:02] | Decepticon: | Anduin you mean over the air? like antenna? |
| [21:09:03] | Andrew_Barber: | ah |
| [21:09:09] | MrMadMoneyMan: | directhex: what about when you transcode? |
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| [21:09:15] | Andrew_Barber: | yes, like no physical connection |
| [21:09:20] | Decepticon: | Andrew_Barber what is SD STB |
| [21:09:26] | MrMadMoneyMan: | directhex: I get .mpg out of my pvr150 |
| [21:09:26] | Anduin: | Decepticon: Yes, cable will not change for several years many places |
| [21:09:31] | Andrew_Barber: | standard definition set top box |
| [21:09:38] | Decepticon: | i dont have a set top box, |
| [21:09:43] | i3ooi3oo: | Having a problem with the display for mythtv/mythtv-setup where it is in horizontal lines that start in staggered order but a ss is normal |
| [21:09:45] | Decepticon: | all i got is a cable socket in the wall |
| [21:09:46] | Andrew_Barber: | you might have a problem |
| [21:09:51] | directhex: | MrMadMoneyMan, i haven't tried. i don't see any advantage to killing the quality to save pennies of disk space |
| [21:09:59] | Anduin: | Decepticon: and S-video/composite out are going to be around even longer |
| [21:10:01] | Andrew_Barber: | anduin would probably know more than me |
| [21:10:08] | Decepticon: | cool |
| [21:10:26] | Andrew_Barber: | anduin, are you privy to any hd pvr talk? |
| [21:10:45] | Anduin: | Andrew_Barber: no |
| [21:10:49] | Decepticon: | i have a low end pc, with working tv out (nvidia geforce fx5500), and im planning to buy hauppuage pvr 150 so i can finally install mythbuntu and record tv shows from the cable socket in the wall where i watch all my tv from |
| [21:10:52] | GreyFoxx: | Andrew: #hdpvr is a good source for that |
| [21:11:02] | GreyFoxx: | several users in here use them with myth |
| [21:11:08] | Decepticon: | im in the usa, is there any obstacles i should be aware of |
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| [21:11:24] | Decepticon: | or other considerations |
| [21:11:29] | MrMadMoneyMan: | how many megabytes does an hour of digital TV take up? |
| [21:11:31] | Decepticon: | like dual tuner or anything? |
| [21:11:37] | Andrew_Barber: | i guess that cable connection should be fine |
| [21:11:48] | Andrew_Barber: | MrMadMoneyMan: res? |
| [21:11:58] | MrMadMoneyMan: | standard def |
| [21:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | mrma: Depends on the bitrate they broadcast in. averages for me are 1.9g to 2.4G |
| [21:12:09] | Andrew_Barber: | 2.2 |
| [21:12:20] | MrMadMoneyMan: | and how about 1080i? |
| [21:12:29] | Decepticon: | no tips for me? |
| [21:12:38] | Decepticon: | whats some cool things i can do instead of what i have planned |
| [21:12:44] | Anduin: | Or your 1/2 hour Jeopardy could take 4.5 gigs |
| [21:12:45] | GreyFoxx: | mrm: 4–9G |
| [21:12:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | MrMadMoneyMan: 720p is about 5–6GB/hr 1080 should be similar. |
| [21:12:59] | Andrew_Barber: | Decepticon: you are lucky certain people aren't here |
| [21:13:04] | GreyFoxx: | mrm: It's VERY dependent on what bitrate they choose for that show |
| [21:13:11] | Andrew_Barber: | because they would tell you to STFU |
| [21:13:29] | Decepticon: | Andrew_Barber i simply want some ideas, maybe i am missing something in terms of expandability? |
| [21:13:38] | Decepticon: | i dont want to buy all this stuff and then find out i shouldve done something else |
| [21:13:42] | Andrew_Barber: | you're missing something in your questions |
| [21:13:46] | MrMadMoneyMan: | so I would think transcoding could bring your file size down about to 1/4th with about 90% quality |
| [21:13:46] | Andrew_Barber: | like content |
| [21:13:57] | Andrew_Barber: | be specific |
| [21:14:07] | MrMadMoneyMan: | I dont think that is pennies of storage |
| [21:14:13] | Anduin: | Decepticon: You should probably look at the HVR 1600 as well |
| [21:14:13] | cak: | TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [21:14:13] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:49.189 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [21:14:13] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:49.219 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(1): Failed to find Channel |
| [21:14:13] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:49.220 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel. |
| [21:14:13] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:49.221 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 1. |
| [21:14:14] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:49.363 TVRec(1) Error: GetProgramRingBufferForLiveTV() |
| [21:14:16] | cak: | ProgramInfo is invalid. |
| [21:14:16] | GreyFoxx: | mrm: That's very very optimistic |
| [21:14:18] | cak: | ProgramInfo: channame() startts(Sat Sep 13 14:10:49 2008) endts(Sat Sep 13 14:10:49 2008) |
| [21:14:20] | cak: | recstartts(Sat Sep 13 14:10:49 2008) recendts(Sat Sep 13 14:10:49 2008) |
| [21:14:22] | cak: | title() |
| [21:14:24] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:50.711 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now. |
| [21:14:27] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:50.714 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec |
| [21:14:28] | Decepticon: | Andrew_Barber why should i buy a pvr150 vs a pvr 250 vs a pvr 350 |
| [21:14:29] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:10:50.749 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [21:14:31] | GreyFoxx: | cak: Use pastebin |
| [21:14:31] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:11:51.463 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [21:14:32] | Anduin: | cak: use a paste site |
| [21:14:33] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:11:51.478 Expiring 0 MBytes for 4294967295 @ Fri Sep 5 23:11:01 2008 => |
| [21:14:35] | directhex: | sigh |
| [21:14:35] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:11:51.494 Expiring 0 MBytes for 4294967295 @ Fri Sep 5 23:32:45 2008 => |
| [21:14:37] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:11:51.496 Expiring 0 MBytes for 4294967295 @ Sat Sep 6 00:49:41 2008 => |
| [21:14:38] | Decepticon: | ah wtf |
| [21:14:39] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:17:22.369 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [21:14:40] | directhex: | i wonder how big his log is |
| [21:14:43] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:17:22.377 Empty LocalHostName. |
| [21:14:44] | MrMadMoneyMan: | pastebin.com |
| [21:14:45] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:17:22.391 Using localhost value of mythtv |
| [21:14:46] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o GreyFoxx | |
| [21:14:47] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:17:22.436 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [21:14:49] | cak: | 2008-09–13 14:17:22.448 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [21:14:49] | cak has been kicked from #Mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org (i'm gettin a stiffie) | |
| [21:14:50] | directhex: | looks like a BIG one |
| [21:14:56] | Andrew_Barber: | thank you |
| [21:15:03] | Decepticon: | Andrew_Barber why should i buy a pvr150 vs a pvr 250 vs a pvr 350 |
| [21:15:05] | Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o GreyFoxx | |
| [21:15:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: hehe... thanks. |
| [21:15:09] | AndyCap: | Decepticon: you can't really find 250 and 350, and 350 is a waste of money over 250. Get a 150 or 500 for dual tuner |
| [21:15:10] | directhex: | "Using runtime prefix" is a bad sign |
| [21:15:11] | Andrew_Barber: | they're all the same |
| [21:15:12] | MrMadMoneyMan: | http://www.pastebin.com |
| [21:15:22] | directhex: | it means the start of a log |
| [21:15:22] | Decepticon: | AndyCap what aare the advantages of dual tuner? |
| [21:15:25] | directhex: | starts are bad |
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| [21:15:33] | directhex: | Decepticon, erm... tuning two things at once? |
| [21:15:39] | Andrew_Barber: | seeriously decepticon? |
| [21:15:40] | Decepticon: | recording two things at once? |
| [21:15:46] | Decepticon: | or watching? like PIP |
| [21:15:47] | AndyCap: | Decepticon: I'm not drawing you a picture. |
| [21:15:48] | directhex: | Decepticon, yes |
| [21:15:51] | Andrew_Barber: | what are the benefits of a DUAL TUNER? |
| [21:15:55] | cak: | Anduin, not sure what's pastebin sorry |
| [21:16:00] | cak: | im new to irc |
| [21:16:04] | Anduin: | cak: rafb.net is one |
| [21:16:10] | Andrew_Barber: | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| [21:16:12] | GreyFoxx: | cak: please use a pastebin :) www.pastebin.ca or www.pastebin.com |
| [21:16:15] | Anduin: | cak: that way you only paste a url |
| [21:16:17] | AndyCap: | cak: go to rafb.net/paste and paste your log, and bring the url back here |
| [21:16:21] | directhex: | paste.debian.net ! |
| [21:16:22] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [21:16:27] | cak: | Anduin, ok |
| [21:16:30] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, did you have hdpvr questions? |
| [21:16:31] | directhex: | monoport.com ! |
| [21:16:45] | Decepticon: | pvr 150 ran out on newegg |
| [21:16:45] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: yes! |
| [21:16:51] | jpabq1: | and? |
| [21:16:58] | i3ooi3oo: | anyone ever see this issue before ? |
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| [21:17:25] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: i'm trying to gauge the status of the hd pvr + myth, as my roommates are pushing to get turboHD from dish |
| [21:17:27] | cak: | http://rafb.net/p/Y8z1c244.html |
| [21:17:48] | Andrew_Barber: | it seems like deveolopers/testers are on the cusp |
| [21:18:03] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, if you are comfortable compiling and running Myth trunk from svn, then there is no reason not to try the hdpvr. |
| [21:18:36] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: so i've heard...lol |
| [21:18:43] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, if you are currently running -fixes, then you may want to wait. |
| [21:18:46] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: and if i'm not? |
| [21:18:49] | Andrew_Barber: | okay |
| [21:18:55] | Andrew_Barber: | any idea how long? |
| [21:19:00] | Decepticon: | what fanless gfx card should i get for minimal config working tv-out ? |
| [21:19:20] | Andrew_Barber: | any video card should work with SD |
| [21:19:35] | jpabq1: | The hdpvr support in trunk is actually not too bad. I would call it 95% reliable. However, things like the hdpvr's built in ir blaster do not work, yet. |
| [21:19:41] | Decepticon: | i got a geforce fx5500 but its so loud |
| [21:20:06] | Andrew_Barber: | so get a quieter card |
| [21:20:23] | Decepticon: | how loud is the pvr150 ? |
| [21:20:30] | AndyCap: | as a mouse |
| [21:20:30] | Andrew_Barber: | lol |
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| [21:20:35] | Andrew_Barber: | quieter than you |
| [21:20:35] | AndyCap: | I'm sure you can find quiter cards from nvidia's range |
| [21:20:38] | jpabq1: | Myth trunk has gotten MUCH more stable over the last month, but it is still not as stable/reliable as fixes in general — and that has nothing to do with the hdpvr. |
| [21:20:49] | AndyCap: | or an aftermarket passive cooling solution for your card |
| [21:21:08] | Decepticon: | anyone want to buy my nvidia geforce fx5500 |
| [21:21:10] | Anduin: | cak: set the external channel changer script for the input to /bin/true or some other dummy changer |
| [21:21:18] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: so if i wanted to use it, i'd need an external blaster |
| [21:21:48] | jpabq1: | yup. I use the USB port on my Directv receiver, for example. |
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| [21:22:06] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, irblaster is coming, but I have no idea when. |
| [21:22:15] | Andrew_Barber: | i'm not familiar with that setup |
| [21:22:25] | Andrew_Barber: | do most sat receivers have usb ports? |
| [21:22:33] | jpabq1: | Directv receivers do. Dish does not. |
| [21:22:39] | Andrew_Barber: | okay |
| [21:22:41] | Andrew_Barber: | whew |
| [21:22:46] | Andrew_Barber: | thought i had missed that |
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| [21:22:59] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: if i were forced to, could i use the hd pvr in windows (as a last resort, of course) |
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| [21:23:53] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, I personally have never used it in windows, but I believe lots of people do. There is a long thread of avsforum of hd-pvr/windows users. |
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| [21:24:45] | ** psm321 back in business! ** | |
| [21:24:50] | Andrew_Barber: | i'd hate to have to do that, but like i said, i have no familiarity with snn/trunk |
| [21:24:57] | psm321: | painful to not have a mythbox running, even for less than a day |
| [21:24:58] | Andrew_Barber: | *svn |
| [21:25:04] | psm321: | Gimpy: around? |
| [21:25:07] | Andrew_Barber: | indeed |
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| [21:25:18] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, then you should stay away. |
| [21:25:27] | Andrew_Barber: | haha |
| [21:25:30] | Andrew_Barber: | i'd love to learn |
| [21:25:48] | psm321: | is the qt4 stuff all stable noe? |
| [21:25:54] | psm321: | *now |
| [21:25:58] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, really, compiling from svn is not all that hard, but there is a learning curve. The main reason to stay away, right now, is that trunk is NOT as stable as the fixes branch. |
| [21:26:03] | Decepticon: | is it possible to plug a low profile video card into a normal computer |
| [21:26:11] | psm321: | (thats why i switched from trunk to fixes) |
| [21:26:17] | JoshBorke: | Decepticon: yes |
| [21:26:26] | Decepticon: | are there issues with the brackets? |
| [21:26:28] | psm321: | i think you can get brackets |
| [21:26:30] | jpabq1: | psm321, qt4 has gotten much better, but it is still not 100% there. |
| [21:26:32] | JoshBorke: | Decepticon: you might have to replace the bracket |
| [21:26:39] | directhex: | Decepticon, they usually come with both brackets |
| [21:26:55] | Decepticon: | well i see a open box item on newegg, should i expect both brackets? |
| [21:27:58] | directhex: | are you an op[timist? |
| [21:28:29] | jpabq1: | For example, Myth trunk has a problem right now, where a SLAVE backend can cause a MASTER backend to freak-out. Does not happen a lot, but it does happen. |
| [21:29:02] | Decepticon: | well im going to get this geforce fx 5200 128mb agp 4x/8x low profile card... im doing this for the tv-out option |
| [21:29:04] | Decepticon: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141052R |
| [21:29:14] | Decepticon: | and its also fanless |
| [21:29:18] | Andrew_Barber: | lol agp |
| [21:30:17] | JoshBorke: | Decepticon: i think you'll get a full bracket on it |
| [21:30:23] | jpabq1: | I do have to say that it is VERY sweet to be able to record HD off of my satellite receiver. |
| [21:30:26] | psm321: | you never know with open box |
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| [21:30:43] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: man...i bet it is |
| [21:30:48] | dimbulb: | Is there any way to force mythtv to use v4l2 instead of v4l1 for certain cards? |
| [21:30:52] | psm321: | Decepticon: did you check out your local computer store? if all youre looking for is tv out, you might find a decent deal locally |
| [21:30:55] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: i really want to give it a shot |
| [21:31:08] | Decepticon: | no those guys are rip offs |
| [21:31:11] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: but i hate getting flamed by those who know what they're doing |
| [21:31:12] | JoshBorke: | psm321: my reasoning being it says "low profile ready" more than anythign else |
| [21:31:14] | Decepticon: | they want like $50 bucks for a ancient vidoe card |
| [21:31:28] | psm321: | and you only have 1 store? |
| [21:31:29] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, heh! |
| [21:31:50] | psm321: | i used to get cheapo cards for $15 all the time |
| [21:32:02] | Decepticon: | well everybody in the reviews is complaining about getting the big bracket (too big for their small form factor pcs) |
| [21:32:08] | Decepticon: | so i guess ill be getting hte regular one |
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| [21:32:14] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: would you be willing to help me out if i decided to buy one? |
| [21:32:36] | psm321: | Decepticon: yeah i think youre safe with that one... JoshBorke has a very good point :) |
| [21:32:44] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, if you happen to have a spare machine available, you could try compiling trunk to play with it. If you can get trunk working, it would be easy to add the hd-pvr later. |
| [21:33:18] | psm321: | Decepticon: if i had better inventory i'd offer to mail you one (i'm sure i have a spare somewhere, no idea where though) |
| [21:33:37] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, some of the devs even use vmware to create a virtual machine, just for playing around with experimental versions of Myth. |
| [21:33:58] | Andrew_Barber: | i have vmware |
| [21:34:03] | Decepticon: | thats nice thanks, but ive been waiting on this too long |
| [21:34:04] | Andrew_Barber: | maybe i'll try that today |
| [21:34:13] | Decepticon: | so much that hte pvr150 has disappeared |
| [21:34:21] | Andrew_Barber: | i'm gonna grab some lunch, and then i'll be back to give that a go |
| [21:34:32] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, what linux dist are you using? |
| [21:34:34] | ** psm321 has thought about setting up a "play" mythtv deployment so that his main one isnt down so often ** | |
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| [21:34:56] | Andrew_Barber: | a couple |
| [21:35:10] | Andrew_Barber: | ubuntu, mythbuntu, linux mint, kubuntu |
| [21:35:18] | Andrew_Barber: | i have several partitions |
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| [21:36:58] | jpabq1: | Andrew_Barber, I use fedora. I can tell you what yum packages I install, before building Myth trunk, if that would help you. |
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| [21:45:25] | [R]: | i heard that the virtual keyboard doesnt work with 22... has it been fixed yet? |
| [21:46:07] | stuarta: | are we all having fun yet? |
| [21:46:29] | Decepticon: | well i just ordered it!! |
| [21:46:34] | Decepticon: | and i got a 500gb ata100 hdd |
| [21:47:07] | Decepticon: | now i have to find a pvr 150 |
| [21:47:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: ata100? |
| [21:48:11] | directhex: | yowzers. and an ISA pvr150? |
| [21:48:16] | Decepticon: | yes, i have a low end pc |
| [21:48:26] | stuarta: | ooooo |
| [21:48:47] | Decepticon: | i dont want to get a sata controller card for it, who knows waht'll work with/without drivers on linux |
| [21:49:03] | directhex: | which is funny given it was companies pushing low-end machines, like dell, who championed things like sata and ddr2 |
| [21:49:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: I've got 8 SATA drives in my current system... |
| [21:49:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: 6x500's on the built-in SATA ports (2.4TB Raid5), 2 on a PCIe Raid card (Mirrored OS disk) |
| [21:49:59] | Decepticon: | what? was that a bad idea? |
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| [21:50:25] | stuarta: | no. have a humble ata disk in my production system |
| [21:50:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: You'll be fine... Just seemed like an odd choice to me... |
| [21:51:09] | stuarta: | with the older hardware it's not so much a choice as a necessity |
| [21:51:13] | i3ooi3oo: | http://www.cmslaser.com/screen.jpg |
| [21:51:24] | i3ooi3oo: | is an example of what was talking about |
| [21:51:57] | Decepticon: | there wasnt any decent ata133 hdd's for the same price |
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| [21:52:29] | stuarta: | Decepticon: there's nothing bad about ata100's. they just aren't in a hurry |
| [21:52:52] | Decepticon: | i think i bought this same one a while back, it seems to run pretty fast |
| [21:53:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: Umm... Is this a new problem,or did it just start? |
| [21:53:21] | Decepticon: | compared to my usb hdd... the usb hdd sits there and wants to spin up before accessing files, unlike the ata100 |
| [21:53:35] | Decepticon: | the ata100 instantly gives me access, no wait time of 3 seconds |
| [21:53:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: ^^^ that didn't make any sense... is this a new system that's having the problem, or did it develope on an already working system... |
| [21:53:52] | stuarta: | like i said. nothing wrong with ata100's |
| [21:54:19] | Decepticon: | i gota question about the pvr 150, what is the difference between the pvr150 mce and the pvr150 and the pvr150 that comes with a mce remote |
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| [21:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: I was using some USB disks with my Myth system in the past. I had a cron job setup to touch a file on the disk every 60 seconds to keep the disk 'awake'. No delay that way... |
| [21:54:54] | Decepticon: | J-e-f-f-A i thought about doing that also |
| [21:55:17] | Decepticon: | but its obviously to make disk life large |
| [21:55:25] | Decepticon: | so i decided against it |
| [21:55:34] | Decepticon: | * to enlarge disk life |
| [21:56:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: It's more to 'save power" I think... |
| [21:56:13] | Decepticon: | hmm maybe |
| [21:56:19] | Decepticon: | but either way i dont like that |
| [21:56:27] | Decepticon: | im going to sell my 400gb seagate |
| [21:56:35] | Decepticon: | and replace the data into the 500gb i just bought |
| [21:56:55] | Decepticon: | 400gb seagate usb pushbutton |
| [21:57:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Decepticon: Yeah, and your ATA100 drive access will be more than twice that of your USB drive... |
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| [21:57:42] | Decepticon: | :) |
| [21:57:59] | Decepticon: | sometimes i wonder if i shouldnt have been so cheap with the original purchase of this old dell |
| [21:58:08] | Decepticon: | i dont have SATA or a decent PSU |
| [21:58:24] | mchou: | Decepticon: why the need for SATA? |
| [21:58:40] | i3ooi3oo: | J-e-f-f-A: It worked at one time but i am not sure when it started messing up. I since removed and reinstalled and the problem |
| [21:58:43] | mchou: | Tivos use 5400 rpm disks and they work just fine |
| [21:59:00] | i3ooi3oo: | persists |
| [21:59:13] | mchou: | Decepticon: for a myth box SATA is over-rated |
| [21:59:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: So, did it just start? Have you tried a different monitor and/or a lower refresh rate or resolution? |
| [21:59:45] | PatrickDK: | depends on how many frontends and backends you have going at the same time |
| [21:59:51] | i3ooi3oo: | installed ati drive i think when it started |
| [21:59:55] | Huijari: | Decepticon: i'm more than happy with my old dell as a backend machine :) |
| [22:00:02] | i3ooi3oo: | had not used for a while |
| [22:00:20] | mchou: | Dell's are quiet. |
| [22:00:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: ... What do you mean? An new ATI video card, or a new driver for an ATI video card? |
| [22:00:45] | PatrickDK: | 5400rpm drives can only do about 40 tps |
| [22:01:08] | PatrickDK: | and if you start doing random i/o cause of the db, or recording/playing multible streams, it could screw you quickly |
| [22:01:10] | i3ooi3oo: | the whole system is new. Built with open ati driver |
| [22:01:37] | mchou: | PatrickDK: that's the thing about myth, dont put the DB on the same disk |
| [22:01:51] | i3ooi3oo: | system worked but was not near a cable source so didn't really use |
| [22:01:54] | PatrickDK: | the db normally isn't an issue, as it should all fit in ram |
| [22:02:25] | mchou: | PatrickDK: and I've never had any issues (4 FE 2BE) |
| [22:02:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: So it worked fine until you installed the ATI driver? |
| [22:02:37] | i3ooi3oo: | since i have install ati's driver as it allowed me to use their control panel and change setting on the fly |
| [22:02:50] | i3ooi3oo: | J-e-f-f-A: Think so |
| [22:02:59] | mchou: | PatrickDK: listings dont all fit in RAM |
| [22:03:02] | PatrickDK: | mchou, sd video? |
| [22:03:08] | PatrickDK: | depends on your ram |
| [22:03:10] | i3ooi3oo: | could have broke before but i doubt it the drive seems to be the common point |
| [22:03:14] | PatrickDK: | my db is only 80megs, it all fits in my ram |
| [22:03:21] | mchou: | PatrickDK: QAM mostly |
| [22:03:59] | mchou: | I dont see why ppl get all worked up about fast HDDs for myth. |
| [22:04:13] | mchou: | it's unnecessary |
| [22:04:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's mythconverg DB is 403MB... ;-) ** | |
| [22:05:03] | PatrickDK: | must have a crapload of recordings :) |
| [22:05:06] | mchou: | any old ATA100 should be more than sufficient as long as there is CAPACITY |
| [22:05:16] | psm321: | are we having a conpetition? |
| [22:05:21] | PatrickDK: | mchou, try 6 backends |
| [22:05:25] | PatrickDK: | and 10 frontends |
| [22:05:43] | mchou: | PatrickDK: You watch too much TV or have too much sex |
| [22:05:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: ooh. ;-) Apartment complex? Dorm? Hotel? |
| [22:05:50] | PatrickDK: | nope |
| [22:05:52] | PatrickDK: | mainly kids |
| [22:05:56] | mchou: | PatrickDK: both mutually exclusive :) |
| [22:06:04] | PatrickDK: | I have 1 |
| [22:06:10] | PatrickDK: | wife can use up 3 backends herself |
| [22:06:16] | mchou: | wha??? |
| [22:06:17] | i3ooi3oo: | any idea what i should do J-e-f-f-A ? |
| [22:06:18] | psm321: | # du -sh /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [22:06:18] | psm321: | 2.1G /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [22:06:27] | psm321: | beat that |
| [22:06:33] | PatrickDK: | all the wifes shows are at the same time |
| [22:06:46] | PatrickDK: | the kids don't use any backends |
| [22:06:52] | PatrickDK: | they just stream stuff in mythvideo |
| [22:06:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: Revert back to the standard ATI driver and see if the problem goes away – if so, persue it with the folks who developed the other driver... |
| [22:07:19] | mchou: | PatrickDK: dude, get with the program. You cont need multiple BE to record multiple streams |
| [22:07:28] | mchou: | dont* |
| [22:07:36] | PatrickDK: | you do need multible backends to record multible channels |
| [22:07:44] | mchou: | what??? |
| [22:07:45] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:07:46] | PatrickDK: | ok, backend I mean card |
| [22:07:48] | PatrickDK: | not computer |
| [22:08:08] | PatrickDK: | 6 capture devices, 10 frontends |
| [22:08:09] | PatrickDK: | happy? |
| [22:08:11] | mchou: | PatrickDK: you've just lost all credibility |
| [22:08:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: No you don't, I've got a single backend with 4 tuners currently... Had 5 and 6 in the past, can record that many channels at once... |
| [22:08:46] | PatrickDK: | I do have 2 btb cards, those will use a whole backend per channel |
| [22:08:58] | mchou: | what??? |
| [22:09:03] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:09:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: Are your backends 486's? |
| [22:09:19] | PatrickDK: | na, 850mhz p3 |
| [22:09:22] | ** psm321 thinks PatrickDK has his terminology all mixed up ** | |
| [22:09:31] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: maybe PatrickDK uses frame grabbers :) |
| [22:09:40] | PatrickDK: | hmm, ya btb = frame grabber |
| [22:10:01] | psm321: | i has 1 frame grabber + 3 mpeg all running on one backend |
| [22:10:04] | psm321: | *had |
| [22:10:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: On my old backend, a dual PIII 866, I had 3 Hauppauge tuners, and a HD tuner (HD-3000), no issues there... 512mb ram. Served 3 frontends over 100Mb... (could have done more, only had 3 at the time...) |
| [22:10:23] | mchou: | In any case, PatrickDK, it's celar to all of us you don't know what you're talking about |
| [22:10:37] | mchou: | clear* |
| [22:11:07] | sebrock: | check this out: http://www.imagepaste.com/img/f461b0187918196 . . . 2ef47480.png – It seems like the script is stopping somewhere? |
| [22:11:08] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [22:12:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | The slowest system I have in use on my myth setup is a 3.2Ghz Athlon 64... |
| [22:12:39] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: lol. That's pretty speedy :) |
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| [22:12:55] | psm321: | that reminds me, i need to try mythweb again some time to see if its improved to the point where it can handle my system :) |
| [22:13:01] | PatrickDK: | so I should be able to install 6 of these 878 capture cards in a single 850mhz computer and have it work? I doubt |
| [22:13:14] | stuarta: | no. |
| [22:13:21] | stuarta: | they are capture cards |
| [22:13:27] | stuarta: | ie. software encoding |
| [22:13:34] | PatrickDK: | I know, but mchou says I can |
| [22:13:38] | mchou: | aka frame grabbers |
| [22:13:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: Spend a couple of $ on real hardware-encoing cards, and you can keep running your 850mhz computer... |
| [22:13:53] | mchou: | PatrickDK: I said no such thing |
| [22:13:59] | stuarta: | frame grabbers that output digital are fine |
| [22:14:15] | mchou: | PatrickDK: [15:09] <mchou> J-e-f-f-A: maybe PatrickDK uses frame grabbers :) |
| [22:14:19] | mchou: | that's what I said |
| [22:14:22] | PatrickDK: | <mchou> PatrickDK: dude, get with the program. You cont need multiple BE to record multiple streams |
| [22:14:29] | PatrickDK: | you said that without knowing anything about what I had |
| [22:14:29] | stuarta: | frame grabbers that need software encoding (like the bt878) no chance |
| [22:14:44] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:15:00] | mchou: | I knew you were using frame grabbers!!! :) |
| [22:15:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: But you did say that you needed a backend for each tuner card... |
| [22:15:10] | PatrickDK: | I have some pvr150's |
| [22:15:19] | PatrickDK: | but I have a stockpile of these 878 cards |
| [22:15:34] | mchou: | PatrickDK: stop trying to deflect your ignorance by going on ad hominems |
| [22:15:40] | stuarta: | they are close to rubbish |
| [22:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: So sell them on ebay for $10 each and buy some PVR-500's with your earnings... |
| [22:15:44] | PatrickDK: | I never said I needed a backend per tuner |
| [22:15:45] | ** stuarta has one too ** | |
| [22:15:59] | PatrickDK: | I said I said the wrong thing that I said backends, when I meant capture devices |
| [22:16:26] | mchou: | [15:06] <PatrickDK> wife can use up 3 backends herself |
| [22:16:33] | mchou: | that's what you said |
| [22:16:34] | sebrock: | does mythweb weather work for everybody? |
| [22:16:37] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [22:16:38] | stuarta: | i'm sure she can |
| [22:17:01] | PatrickDK: | my wife is nuts |
| [22:17:06] | PatrickDK: | she records every damned channel |
| [22:17:12] | mchou: | and that implies your wife watches a shitload of TV if each BE has 2 tuners/sources |
| [22:17:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | PatrickDK: so I misunderstood this line? <PatrickDK> I do have 2 btb cards, those will use a whole backend per channel |
| [22:17:33] | Decepticon: | mchou SATA is overrated for a mythbox? |
| [22:17:40] | nordle: | sebrock: my mythweb weather broke, dont know why. Going to weather from mythfront is now broken too. |
| [22:17:41] | Decepticon: | hmm thats a relief to hear |
| [22:17:42] | mchou: | Decepticon: yeah |
| [22:17:44] | PatrickDK: | a framegrabber will use a whole backend (850mhz computer) |
| [22:18:04] | Decepticon: | mchou i thought i had my whole model completely wrong |
| [22:18:07] | mchou: | Decepticon: ATA100s work just fine as long as there is enough CAPACITY |
| [22:18:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: Mythweather works here, just not as nice as it used to in the 0.20 days... I used to be able to select my home city, now I have to settle for a city 20–30 miles away... |
| [22:18:23] | Decepticon: | but theyre kind of expensive to buy, no? compared to SATA hdds |
| [22:18:29] | Decepticon: | $/gb |
| [22:18:49] | mchou: | PATAs are slightly cheaper than SATA |
| [22:18:57] | mchou: | but it's all a wash really |
| [22:19:04] | psm321: | PATA cheaper?? |
| [22:19:07] | psm321: | where? |
| [22:19:07] | Decepticon: | it cost me $74.99 from newegg to buy a 500gb ATA100 |
| [22:19:15] | psm321: | nowadays sata is cheaper |
| [22:19:36] | mchou: | psm321: PATA is cheaper than SATAs by about $10 usually |
| [22:19:39] | Decepticon: | i bet you could get a TB SATA hdd for that same price |
| [22:19:41] | ** J-e-f-f-A just bought a 500GB sata for $69 from Micro Center... ** | |
| [22:19:53] | Decepticon: | really? the price is that similar? |
| [22:20:09] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: what brand HDD? |
| [22:20:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Hitachi OEM |
| [22:20:32] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:20:36] | JoshBorke: | Decepticon: yes, they are that similar |
| [22:20:39] | psm321: | mchou: not anywhere i've seen, but maybe some places might be like that |
| [22:20:42] | mchou: | good ol deathstar :) |
| [22:20:52] | ** psm321 sticks with seagate now ** | |
| [22:21:07] | mchou: | even seagate now has issues |
| [22:21:17] | mchou: | frigging plant in china |
| [22:21:19] | psm321: | yeah i know, thats why i setup a raid5 |
| [22:21:45] | psm321: | havent had one fail yet (tho the 2 china ones i have are reporting a pre-existing temperature alarm) |
| [22:21:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was just buiding a new system, and figured why pay $10 less for a 320GB drive, when I could have a 500GB... ;-) My backend is all WD drives. |
| [22:22:02] | mchou: | does seagate even have plants now in SE asia? Thailand/Malayasia? |
| [22:22:09] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: sure, thats fine if you dont care about your recordings |
| [22:22:16] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: WD. Nas-T |
| [22:22:20] | psm321: | mchou: i still see new made in thailand seagates |
| [22:23:01] | psm321: | i don't see myself buying another WD for a long long time, unless its in a raid (and even then i'm hesitant) |
| [22:23:15] | mchou: | WD is teh suck |
| [22:23:21] | psm321: | yes |
| [22:23:30] | mchou: | I'd rate them worse than maxtors |
| [22:23:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I haven't had any issues with WD the past couple of years. I did have a 500GB WD go belly-up back then, but rma'd it, and I was on RAID5, so I didn't lose any data... |
| [22:23:53] | psm321: | every single one i've had has failed in short order (until a few months ago that wasnt quite true, but then the last one failed too) |
| [22:24:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A has LOTS of fans in his backend... so the cooling probably helps alot... ** | |
| [22:24:18] | sebrock: | My mythweb weather "works" but three day forecast somehow is broken: http://www.imagepaste.com/img/f461b0187918196 . . . 2ef47480.png |
| [22:24:23] | mchou: | the only drives I've had go bad on me ever are WD |
| [22:24:36] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: once i RMA'ed a WD and then the replacement failed again in a week... i gave up on that one because shipping costs were going to come close to the cost of the drive |
| [22:24:36] | sebrock: | it seems to just stop |
| [22:24:46] | mchou: | psm321: haha |
| [22:25:02] | mchou: | click of death is a WD trademark :) |
| [22:25:13] | psm321: | i've had 1 maxtor fail, probably 4–6 WD's fail, no seagates fail yet |
| [22:25:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: That was a Zip Drive trademark... |
| [22:25:33] | psm321: | and i have more seagate drives now than i've ever had of other brands combined, so it's not just a luck thing |
| [22:25:47] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A:never used Zips so I wouldnt know |
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| [22:26:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: Mythweather is hanging on me right now... just the background ... (looking at logs now...) |
| [22:26:34] | mchou: | psm321: RMAs a refurbs anyways. I dont like "mystery" drives :) |
| [22:27:16] | mchou: | psm321: the replacement can be worse than the original crappy one :) |
| [22:27:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: I'm seeing "SourceManager Error: Can not connect nonexistent source ##" messages in my frontend log, so something's amuck... |
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| [22:28:01] | sebrock: | J-e-f-f-A is this mythweb or frontend? |
| [22:28:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Yeah, I'm not a fan of RMAs either... |
| [22:28:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: Mythweather, error in the frontend log. |
| [22:28:57] | sebrock: | ok because frontend is working for me... what is your source? |
| [22:29:11] | sebrock: | its just backend/mythweb that is nbot working |
| [22:29:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: Yeah, I think that's been broken since the new 'revamp' of mythweather. (I may be wrong though)... |
| [22:30:15] | sebrock: | strangly Im fairly sure I had some weather icons there just some hours ago... |
| [22:30:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: ^^ by that I mean the Mythweb weather pages. |
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| [22:35:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: btw... I'm running 0.21-fixes, a week or two old. — I have 5 sources, unfortunately the names get truncated when viewing the setup, so I can only say they are "Animated..." "BBC-Curr.." "BBC-3day-XML" "NDFD-6_day" and "NWS-Alerts" |
| [22:36:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: (unless I want to do some selects from the database...) |
| [22:37:07] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: use mythweb :) |
| [22:37:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: DUH... <sorry, brain fart...> |
| [22:38:37] | i3ooi3oo: | well ati's driver sucks |
| [22:38:47] | mchou: | haha, still? |
| [22:38:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks he found out why mythweather isn't working on his system currently... mythweb weather setup says: Error: Could not find '/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts/bbccurrentxml.pl'. ** | |
| [22:38:52] | i3ooi3oo: | case closed thanks J-e-f-f-A |
| [22:39:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: hehe. All my systems are NVidia... ;-) |
| [22:39:20] | mchou: | i3ooi3oo: I heard they had "improved" |
| [22:39:42] | sebrock: | also never got music to work with mythweb |
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| [22:39:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sebrock: Now that's something I had working since 0.19. ;-) |
| [22:40:01] | mchou: | i3ooi3oo: but improving from negative functionality is not exactly a great achievement |
| [22:40:01] | i3ooi3oo: | well i have nvidia before but this card is pretty nice for the price i got it for |
| [22:40:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | i3ooi3oo: Not if it doesn't work! ;-) |
| [22:40:20] | mchou: | i3ooi3oo: you get what you pay for |
| [22:40:41] | i3ooi3oo: | it was a return that is why it was cheap... a miss order |
| [22:40:52] | sebrock: | J-e-f-f-A wow so please guide me :D |
| [22:40:57] | mchou: | it got returned cause it didnt work :) |
| [22:40:57] | i3ooi3oo: | no box i could care less |
| [22:41:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A just paid $35 for an Nvidia 8400GS from a pawn shop... ;-) ** | |
| [22:41:10] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: for real? |
| [22:41:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep. |
| [22:41:24] | i3ooi3oo: | not the card works the drivers work with most other stuff jsut fine |
| [22:41:32] | sebrock: | I can create playlists and stuff but when playing it in a external player nothing happens |
| [22:41:35] | mchou: | I've never scoured pawn shops |
| [22:41:40] | sebrock: | or stream is not recognized |
| [22:41:54] | i3ooi3oo: | CDW's outlet store |
| [22:41:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Now to test it, if it doesn't work right, I've got to bring it back on Monday for store credit... |
| [22:42:02] | mchou: | Electronics surplus, yes. |
| [22:42:23] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: was the card sitting in a computer? |
| [22:42:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: This is one of those pawn shops that buys and sells lots of electronics – Cellular phones, ipods, psp's, etc. |
| [22:42:38] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: or out by itself? |
| [22:43:00] | sebrock: | never mind that help me instead :P |
| [22:43:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: no, they have a fair selection of cards on anti-static stands with prices on the front of the stand. |
| [22:43:23] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: OK. where is this? |
| [22:43:49] | sebrock: | aha: [Sun Sep 14 00:37:41 2008] [error] [client 91.126.96.52] Digest: user sebastian: password mismatch: /music/stream |
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| [22:44:50] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: If you see a linksys PAP2 at the shop make sure you let me know :) |
| [22:44:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Downtown Boston – CeX — 44 Winter St. (I was in Boston for work today, stopped in for a few mins... ;-) ) |
| [22:44:55] | sebrock: | Well I have a working for mythweb dir |
| [22:45:08] | sebrock: | should it not work under music aswell? |
| [22:45:14] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: hah, I used to live in Boston |
| [22:45:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Are you still in the area? I live in Marlborough. |
| [22:45:47] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: nono, move out long ago |
| [22:46:03] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: winters are a distant memory now :) |
| [22:46:35] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: I wonder what big dig is like |
| [22:46:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I know what you mean... I lived in Fresno, California for 5 years. ;-) We hardly got rain out there, never mind snow! ;-) |
| [22:47:11] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: Fresno has intolerable summers though :) |
| [22:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: It's looking pretty nice lately... now that the tunnels are done, they've done much of the 'above ground' work already – all the eleveated roadway is gone, and most of the parks and stuff are already done. |
| [22:47:43] | JackEStorm: | I'm lookining for an up to date howto for myth+firewire+DCT6200+noMoreFrontEndHangs+noMoreBackEndSegfaults |
| [22:47:56] | mchou: | I'm a not too warm, not too hot kind of guy. |
| [22:48:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Oh yeah... Here in Mass we had "Snow Days" — in Fresno we had "Extreme heat" days... (No A/C in my High School) |
| [22:48:09] | mchou: | JackEStorm: lol |
| [22:48:20] | mchou: | the broken record returns again |
| [22:48:31] | JackEStorm: | mchou: I I can hope, no? |
| [22:48:48] | mchou: | JackEStorm: the problem is on your end. |
| [22:49:06] | mchou: | JackEStorm: myth has issues but yours is not one of them |
| [22:50:02] | mchou: | JackEStorm: and that's why there is no howto |
| [22:50:06] | JackEStorm: | mchou: That I got, try figure out if it's the bus resets, or the cable box, or myth causing it to hang/crash while watching live tv. |
| [22:50:29] | mchou: | JackEStorm: I have the same exact set up |
| [22:50:43] | mchou: | dont even recall myth crashing |
| [22:50:55] | mchou: | must have been 3–4 yrs ago |
| [22:51:02] | JackEStorm: | mchou: Charter by anychance? |
| [22:51:14] | mchou: | JackEStorm: nope, comcast |
| [22:51:35] | JackEStorm: | A C, so it fits :) |
| [22:51:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only HD J-e-f-f-A gets on his Myth box is OTA ATSC... :-( |
| [22:51:41] | mchou: | there is an outside chance of buugy firmware on STB, however |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: what's wrong with that? |
| [22:52:00] | JackEStorm: | I'm loaded with "Running dma failed because Node ID is not valid", "IR DMA error – OHCI error code 0x1" and the like |
| [22:52:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A used to have "Cumcast"... ** | |
| [22:52:11] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: I'd kill for that |
| [22:52:19] | mchou: | bugg* |
| [22:52:51] | mchou: | JackEStorm: haha, that's a firewire issue. Solve that first |
| [22:53:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I would like to get some of the other sat or cable channels in HD too... (in myth)... the only choice ATM is HD-PVR... |
| [22:53:27] | JackEStorm: | mchou: ok, how about a howto on Intel Firewire Issues? |
| [22:53:31] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: premium channels are over-rated :) |
| [22:53:49] | mchou: | JackEStorm: there is no howto |
| [22:54:08] | mchou: | JackEStorm: just make sure you firewire stack is all current |
| [22:54:26] | mchou: | cause different versions will cause crap you see |
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| [22:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ugh... I forgot I have to produce a video on my Wife's mac for a suprise Birthday party on Tuesday... Yikes, I better get to work! |
| [22:55:19] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: seriously, what are you favorite shows? |
| [22:55:32] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: ok, laters |
| [22:55:34] | my2keh: | does it make sense that I get crackling audio on a video on my pvr, but not on my laptop? |
| [22:55:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Ota – 24, Terminator.. |
| [22:55:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I also like alot of shows on Discovery and TLC. |
| [22:56:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: and movies... ;-) |
| [22:56:14] | JackEStorm: | mchou: current as the distro goes, guess I could uninstall everything related, and get the sources. |
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| [22:56:17] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: mine is House, Dexter on SHO |
| [22:56:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: House is good too. ;-) |
| [22:56:42] | mchou: | JackEStorm: a distro doent guarantee matching libs |
| [22:57:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Speaking of 24, seems like the season is a wash, eh? |
| [22:57:10] | JackEStorm: | mchou: mythbuntu claims it...but you are right |
| [22:57:31] | mchou: | I gave up on 24 long time ago. Never approved of their torture scenes |
| [22:57:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A runs off for a little bit to setup the Mac... ** | |
| [22:57:49] | JackEStorm: | J-e-f-f-A: Jan, Feb, new season of 24 |
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| [22:58:38] | JackEStorm: | Writers strike fucked up US TV |
| [22:59:02] | JackEStorm: | (and Universial did in what was not fubared) |
| [22:59:31] | mchou: | especially since Vanity Fair published an interview with 24's producer, "wants to desensitise viewers to torture." WTF!??? |
| [23:00:42] | JackEStorm: | desensitise viewers to torture ... I listen to Anderson Cooper for that |
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| [23:13:18] | AndyCap: | mchou: didn't need an interview to figure that out |
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| [23:19:20] | my2keh: | does it make sense that I get crackling audio on a video on my pvr, but not on my laptop? |
| [23:19:26] | rwhe: | anyone else having problems with http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/ ? |
| [23:19:46] | my2keh: | seems down for me too |
| [23:20:18] | rwhe: | my2keh: thanks. you might have different codecs on your two machine or something |
| [23:20:43] | my2keh: | a codec would cause crackling/static type noises? |
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| [23:23:24] | rwhe: | yeah, it might not decode the audio properly. same with a different application. software varies in how well it works with different file formats. |
| [23:23:55] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [23:24:22] | cak: | yes it's down |
| [23:25:21] | cak: | my2keh, what kind of audio do u have? |
| [23:26:09] | my2keh: | optical |
| [23:26:13] | my2keh: | err digital |
| [23:26:45] | cak: | my2keh one sec |
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| [23:27:27] | my2keh: | k |
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| [23:28:07] | cak: | my2keh i forgot exact chip but i know that soundcards based on some intel chip has this type of problem |
| [23:28:29] | cak: | u have to specify options to modprobe |
| [23:29:11] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [23:29:41] | cak: | could u "lspci | grep audio" |
| [23:30:19] | my2keh: | it returns nothing? |
| [23:30:24] | cak: | hm |
| [23:31:08] | cak: | strange |
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| [23:31:22] | my2keh: | I guess so heh |
| [23:31:54] | cak: | then lspci and and look for something like audio controller |
| [23:32:44] | my2keh: | [root@mythtv bjatkin]# lspci | grep -i audio |
| [23:32:44] | my2keh: | 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0774 (rev a1) |
| [23:33:02] | cak: | ok |
| [23:33:05] | cak: | one sec |
| [23:33:54] | my2keh: | k |
| [23:35:28] | cak: | my2keh, try downloading driver from nvidia |
| [23:36:02] | cak: | it's driver that causes statics |
| [23:36:31] | my2keh: | hmmm I read about it |
| [23:36:39] | my2keh: | but also read that it was a bad idea |
| [23:36:46] | cak: | on laptops it's quite comon statics or sound in speakers and nothing on buildin speakers or other way |
| [23:37:01] | my2keh: | the static is happening on my PVR |
| [23:37:08] | my2keh: | and not on my windows laptop |
| [23:38:35] | rwhe: | my2keh: then you not only have different codecs and different applications, but also different operating systems. lots of variables. |
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| [23:39:46] | my2keh: | yes agreed |
| [23:39:58] | my2keh: | but I was trying to eliminate it being the sound system itself |
| [23:40:01] | my2keh: | ie blown speakers |
| [23:40:18] | rwhe: | sometimes windows will decode some videos a little more smoothly because it can include proprietary software, and open source software does not have inside knowledge to duplicate every aspect of the proprietary sw. |
| [23:40:39] | JackEStorm: | my2keh: I have an audio mismatch on my ATI HD Wonder, is this a hardware encoder or sftware? |
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| [23:40:49] | rwhe: | ok, then i would try lots of different audio files, CDs, and so on, and see if your PVR consistently crackles |
| [23:40:59] | my2keh: | umm I use DVB JackEStorm |
| [23:41:15] | my2keh: | rwhe>>> it's not consitent, but often |
| [23:41:49] | Andrew_Barber: | jpabq1: back |
| [23:42:17] | JackEStorm: | my2keh: doesn't matter, unless you mean /dev/dvb/*/* |
| [23:42:42] | my2keh: | Yes |
| [23:44:16] | JackEStorm: | so a mp2ds ie .ts or .ps stream, gives you artifacts on your laptop? |
| [23:45:18] | my2keh: | an mpg does |
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| [23:46:44] | JackEStorm: | 1:1 transport? |
| [23:48:08] | my2keh: | not sure |
| [23:50:58] | cak: | guys do i have to run apache on my knoppmyth? |
| [23:51:20] | my2keh: | you don't have to |
| [23:51:26] | my2keh: | it comes with it |
| [23:51:30] | my2keh: | it's only used for mythwe |
| [23:51:31] | my2keh: | b |
| [23:51:39] | cak: | ok |
| [23:51:47] | cak: | thnx |
| [23:52:04] | my2keh: | n/p |
| [23:52:42] | mchou: | AndyCap: it's one thing if the producer didn't INTEND to do so, but since he was a republican operative in a prior life, and he stated his intention explicitly, "enough is enough" |
| [23:53:05] | mchou: | AndyCap: It all adds up. |
| [23:54:09] | mchou: | AndyCap: and NOW Bush wants October surprise: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94575902 |
| [23:55:01] | mchou: | AndyCap: It never ceases to amaze me how short our attention span really is |
| [23:56:24] | russK: | I hit 'E' to end edit mode of cutlist and it seems to be hung ... any hints? |
| [23:56:53] | Andrew_Barber: | guys, can someone explain to me how a cable card works? |
| [23:57:05] | Andrew_Barber: | and is it a windows specific item? |
| [23:57:18] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: how able doing some of your own homework? |
| [23:57:39] | Andrew_Barber: | i've been reading about it for some time |
| [23:57:49] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCard |
| [23:58:28] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: then post a specific question, not some request to educate you all about CableCard |
| [23:58:29] | Maliuta: | mchou: look! shiny! |
| [23:59:16] | Andrew_Barber: | mchou: i'm not a noob, i was wondering if anyone had used one |
| [23:59:23] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:59:26] | Andrew_Barber: | thanks for the link |
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| [23:59:41] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: and you come here to ask that question? |
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