Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 7th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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Striker:

that's what i thought...but it seemed odd that there would be an option to force it though

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Striker:

unless i misread it...

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lwizardl:

Hi

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Striker:

Setup > TV Setup > Playback > Page 1 "Always stream recordings from backend"

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lwizardl:

does mythtv support the remote and usb receiver from a Twinhan DVB-S 1020a ?

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, Myth doesn't support IR receivers, LIRC does. If it's supported by LIRC, it will work with myth.

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, ok you got a link to LIRC compatible devices?

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iamlindoro:

lirc.org

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GreyFoxx:

and the one Ihad that came with that card just looked lke a usb keyboard on my system

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GreyFoxx:

no configuration requred

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Rippedca:

I have installed mythbuntu in backend & frontend mode. I have tv out working and can see the mythtv desktop(?) When I select Multimedia -> MythTV Frontend it scales some image files than I am back to the desktop???how do I know if the backend is running?

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lwizardl:

am I allowed to post ebay links?

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lwizardl:

i just bought one today

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Dagmar:

Only if you're not the one selling

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Dagmar:

Shilling for your own auction will result in a "hospitality correction"

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lwizardl:

k then i'm ok to post

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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lwizardl:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . SI%26otn%3D4

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lwizardl:

thats the same seller that has like 30 of them listed

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Dibblah:

"always stream recordings currently only applies to recordings. Not Mythvideo, music, etc.

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iamlindoro:

What is it that makes you think that's a USB receiver? It's not, AFAIK

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, picture

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Dibblah:

And there's some odd reports that it doesn't work in trunk – NFS is sometimes preferred.

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, ah, so it is, didn't scroll down enough

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iamlindoro:

yucky remote, though

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Striker:

the filename he showed looked like it was a recording

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, yeah but if this one works good, my ati seems to not like lirc

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl, If you want one that works well and is a good remote/receiver/blaster combo, go for the MS MCE remote and receiver

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PaulWay:

OK, I tried turning on streaming, but it made no difference, so I set it to mount the server's video directories through NFS.

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Striker:

weird

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PaulWay:

And now it works.

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PaulWay:

Which is disappointing, since I really would have liked to have seen something that said "BTW, we totally took out streaming, dude, you're going to have to get access to those files on your own if you don't want to bash your head against a wall for a day.

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PaulWay:

"

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Rippedca:

any idea how I start mythtv when I have the backend and frontend installed on the same box??? I am sitting at the desktop

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my2keh:

I have 2 encoders in my PVR, and I'm getting conflicts, even if there are only 2 shows playing at the same time....any ideas what is wrong?

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PaulWay:

Rippedca: is the backend started?

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PaulWay:

How new are you to Linux?

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Rippedca:

myekeh: how do I tell for sure?

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my2keh:

uhhh

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my2keh:

type: ps aux | grep mythbackend

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my2keh:

you should get 2 rows back

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Rippedca:

I just started it with the init.d command,,,

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PaulWay:

No, the thing that really puzzles me about this streaming thing is that for some of the recordings, they play once (presumably through streaming) and then don't work.

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Rippedca:

yes I get two rows back

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** iamlindoro releases updated metadata generation scripts to the users list, immediately regrets it **

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PaulWay:

Rippedca: is the MythTV Front End in Applications -> Sound & Video?

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Rippedca:

no Multimedia -> MythTV Frontend

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Rippedca:

I don't have a sound & Video menu

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PaulWay:

What distro are you using?

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Rippedca:

Mythbuntu

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Rippedca:

Frontend and backend are installed on the same box

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xevious:

isnt mythbuntu supposed to boot directly to mythfrontend?

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Rippedca:

I have a black desktop with the mythbuntu icon on my tv?

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Rippedca:

not icon sorry I meant graphic

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PaulWay:

And what happens if you double click that?

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iamlindoro:

uhhh no

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iamlindoro:

The iamge he is talking about is the wallpaper

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xevious:

building projectm from svn, i'll let you guys know if it works with mythmusic

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, open a terminal and type "mythfrontend.real" and press enter. When it fails out, pastbin the terminal output

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xevious:

failing that, is there a way to embed amarok into mythtv?

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xevious:

google answered that question

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PaulWay:

It still makes no sense – why would the front end be able to display a programme once and then say it can't be found?

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PaulWay:

Why would streaming work once and then not again?

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Rippedca:

http://pastebin.com/m65cd5aa7

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, That looks like a normal startup-- is it failing or are you quitting it?

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iamlindoro:

if it's just crashing, you can start with mythfrontend.real -v most and pastebin that

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my2keh:

anyone know why I have conflicts with 2 tuners even though there's only 2 shows?

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my2keh:

it's like myth isn't seeing the second tuner

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my2keh:

but yet I have a recording going now and I'm able to watch live tv

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Rippedca:

iamlindoro: I am not stopping it....

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, then start it as I asked you to

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PaulWay:

my2keh: did you connect the second tuner to the same source in mythtv-setup?

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Rippedca:

after I enter the mythfrontend.real command do I have to do anything else??? I though I would see something like this screen shot http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/163

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my2keh:

PaulWay>> yes

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PaulWay:

hmmmm

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PaulWay:

What I'm getting is http://rafb.net/p/IYDSjH55.html

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PaulWay:

When a client browses the programme guide.

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, yes, normally you would, but I have asked you twice now to invoke it with -v most

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PaulWay:

I'm going to have to hunt down this server "" message...

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PaulWay:

setting, rather

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Rippedca:

missing argument to -v/--verbose option

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iamlindoro:

Reading is fundamental

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iamlindoro:

-v most

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iamlindoro:

dash vee

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iamlindoro:

MOST

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PaulWay:

space between

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iamlindoro:

no, he is not lacking a space

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iamlindoro:

as -vmost would be an entirely different error

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iamlindoro:

don't "help"

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my2keh:

lol

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PaulWay:

Sure thing!

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PaulWay:

Go right ahead!

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my2keh:

it's like mythweb can't see the extra tuner

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my2keh:

wierd

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Rippedca:

http://pastebin.com/d5327974d

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iamlindoro:

Ooof, floating point exception

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PaulWay:

my2keh: can tvtime?

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Rippedca:

???

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, follow the following directions:

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Rippedca:

ok

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iamlindoro:

open a terminal and cut and paste the following lines:

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iamlindoro:

wget http://mythbuntu.org/files/EEED06D0.gpg && sudo apt-key add EEED06D0.gpg && rm EEED06D0.gpg

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iamlindoro:

echo "deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu hardy main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-hardy.list

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my2keh:

PaulWay>> what do you mean?

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iamlindoro:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade

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Rippedca:

can I paste these commands using an ssh connection?

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PaulWay:

Can you tune channels from the second card with another program?

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iamlindoro:

that should download the latest myth stuff in the stable mythbuntu repos

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, yes, you don't need X access

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my2keh:

I can tune to channels with the second card while the first one is recording within mythtv

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

The special school has internet

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** PaulWay is bemused :-) **

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my2keh:

uhhh

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, There's something about the 3–9PM hours in any and all US timezones

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, funny thing, that

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Dagmar:

Orbital death lasers.

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Dagmar:

We needs 'em

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iamlindoro:

It's always tiresome when the UK goes to sleep and only you and I are around to be adequately surly

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dtol1:

how to load the program guide? all shows are labeled as unknown

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my2keh:

lol

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PaulWay:

Any ideas about what the errors in http://rafb.net/p/IYDSjH55.html could mean (client was browsing programme guide)

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Dagmar:

WaulWay: Rule of thumb... unless something's not working, it's not broken.

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Rippedca:

99 upgrades

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, complete, or to go?

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, once it's done, you can try the frontend again and see if you get further

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PaulWay:

Dagmar: So on the front end, some recordings play back once and then say "the file for this recording can not be found".

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Rippedca:

99 upgrades required. It has only downloaded 16

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PaulWay:

Which seems to be related to something to do with streaming problems.

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Rippedca:

thanks for your help

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PaulWay:

No errors in the backend log when this occurs.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: Sounds like you've somehow managed to set a playlist running

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iamlindoro:

Rippedca, if not, then it would probably be worth filing a bug and including the -v most output. Be warned, it is likely to get set to "infoneeded" and you may need to compile with debug symbols and give backtraces

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PaulWay:

Dagmar: ?

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PaulWay:

What makes you think that?

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Rippedca:

Ok...this is the first time I have played with Mythtv...I am trying to build a box (backend) that will be connected to my Satellite receiver. I want to be able to watch tv on my Ubuntu laptop.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: Generally when you tell it to play a recording, once it's done, it's done.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: You're telling me it's playing, and then apparently going on to try to play something that doesn't exist

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PaulWay:

Partial log from the front end: http://rafb.net/p/t4cAB388.html

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PaulWay:

So when I stop and restart that programme and it then says "recording can not be found"?

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Dagmar:

So is /store/video/1021_20080717210000.mpg there?

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PaulWay:

It's there on the backend.

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PaulWay:

Not on the front end.

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PaulWay:

The FE should be streaming it from the BE.

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Dagmar:

*sigh* nope

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Dagmar:

It's not that simple, unfortunately

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Dagmar:

There's a checkmark "somewhere" in the frontend setups that tells it to always stream

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Dagmar:

Otehrwise, it's time to get handy with the NFS mounts

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PaulWay:

Yes, I found that – Settings – TV – Playback – first screen.

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Dagmar:

Yes, this is slightly bizarre behaviour out of it

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PaulWay:

I turned it on.

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Dagmar:

So submit a bug report then

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PaulWay:

The database setting is 'AlwaysStreamFiles'

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Dagmar:

If you have been manually poking at the database, you're on your own.

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Dagmar:

Seldom do those things mean exactly what they appear to

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Dagmar:

^^^^^^^

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PaulWay:

Wonderful.

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PaulWay:

Either way, I've just had an example of exactly the problem – I can't see the first two recorded programmes ("recording can not be found"), and then the third one works.

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PaulWay:

But after I've viewed the third one once, trying to view it a second time says "recording can not be found".

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PaulWay:

So why would it do it once and then not be able to do it again?

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Dagmar:

This is why there are setup menus in the frontend

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Dagmar:

So you don't have to guess at what something does based on a 20 character string alone

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Dagmar:

File a bug report

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Dagmar:

Don't challenge me to interpret WTF the thing is going to do after the database has been stabbed at with a spork (basically)

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Dagmar:

I know better than to expect something other than "bizarre behaviour" out of that

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PaulWay:

Except for the fact that I haven't actually changed the databse.

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PaulWay:

database.

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Dagmar:

This program is zero point two

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Dagmar:

Count on bits of it making no intuitive sense at all

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PaulWay:

So this is simply configuring it in exactly the way you told me to.

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Dagmar:

...and other bits breaking or not working

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Dagmar:

SO file a bug report

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Dagmar:

Asking me repeatedly to explain something I've NO idea what's going on for isn't going to accomplish a damn thing

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Dagmar:

It works fine for me here, and I've got the filesystem appearing the same in both places

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Dagmar:

You can either work around the bug, file a bug report on it and wait, or fix it and maybe submit a patch

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Dagmar:

...and to be very specific, about hte only thing I told you was that for you to not have to have the recordings available over a shared filesystem you had to enable the 'always stream' option.

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Dagmar:

There's literally dozens of other things that could have been misconfigured

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PaulWay:

So you'd expect a lot of misconfigurations upgrading from a fully working 0.20 system to a 0.21 one?

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Dagmar:

Sure.

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Dagmar:

The major version number is ZERO.

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PaulWay:

I think you're thinking that I'm being critical of MythTV here.

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Dagmar:

You should be automatically assuming that the thing is about as solid as a 103-year old on a walker

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PaulWay:

I'm just trying to fix the problem.

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Dagmar:

I think you're making assumptions of fitness that would shock Mary Poppins

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PaulWay:

Dagmar: I've been using MythTV since 0.17, which I'm sure isn't as long as you have.

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Dagmar:

Here's an idea, and I'm being completely serious about this...

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PaulWay:

But I have seen it around for a while, and I know that while it may not be perfect it's pretty stable when its going well.

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Dagmar:

Backup the database and your recordings (so you can restore them later) then *blow away* the whole of /var/lib/mysql and set the databases up from scratch, and then run mythtv-setup.

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Dagmar:

"Shit happens" tends to apply to upgrades.

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PaulWay:

Yes, I have a bad feeling that that might be the best way.

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Dagmar:

]More than once I've had mine start doing weird crap that only went away when I just wiped out the database and started over

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Dagmar:

Like, enough to have given serious thought to the database requirements for just exporting recordings with metadata in a manner that I could re-import into MythVideo (or a unified media store) later

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PaulWay:

And to get the recorded history back we copy that table in again or something?

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Dagmar:

If it works, I try not to worry about the recordings history

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PaulWay:

Hmmm – mytharchive – can't that export just metadata?

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Dagmar:

It might be fine if you just drop that table in,, it might not

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iamlindoro:

Documentation sections 23.5–23.7

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Dagmar:

MythArchive is basically just for exporting things

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PaulWay:

Yeah, I thought it had some clever way to export just the metadata into XML files or something.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro's talking about http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 BTW

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: Not really

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Dagmar:

It's mainly for punting stuff to DVD

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PaulWay:

iamlindoro, Dagmar: OK, I see it ... hmmmm.

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Dagmar:

What I keep thinking would be the "final" solution would be to completely redo the database and start using tags instead of categories, basically

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PaulWay:

Hmmm.

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Dagmar:

Taking data and putting it into an XML file and vice versa is something I could do in perl in an evening

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Dagmar:

Getting that C++ changed, f**k no

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PaulWay:

Curse it; I can work around it with NFS mounts.

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Dagmar:

Heyyy there ya go then

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PaulWay:

I hate workarounds :-/

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Dagmar:

Well, there's that leading zero again

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PaulWay:

Thanks for your help, anyway. I appreciate being able to talk about it.

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

catharsis

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PaulWay:

It's just frustrating that it used to work and now just completely doesn't.

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Dagmar:

(As an aside, dealing with XML through perl is just *stupid* easy)

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PaulWay:

That's for sure.

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PaulWay:

XML::Stupid FTW :-)

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Dagmar:

Hey man, I've still got four 500Gb disks with "god knows what" on them because of a database implosion

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Dagmar:

There's an XML::Stupid module now?

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PaulWay:

Mind you, I've seen a script that generated XML out of print statements in Perl. It was ghastly.

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Dagmar:

I thought XML::Simple broke so many rules it couldn't be easier without accepting crayola input

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PaulWay:

I wanted to slap the author about but he'd left the company.

[01:36:03]

PaulWay:

Dagmar: Maybe "... couldn't be easier without accepting drool"

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Dagmar:

Okay< I think you've gotten XML::Stupid confused for XML::Simple

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

I just hit CPAN looking for that

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PaulWay:

True.

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PaulWay:

Heh.

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PaulWay:

When they write the ACME::XML module, run!

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Dagmar:

I know for sure the first time I used it I was just "what? That was all it took? ...and the data structure I got is *sane*?!?"

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PaulWay:

Yep.

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PaulWay:

Not only sane but usable and reasonably complete.

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Dagmar:

Well, it lets me get away with seriously overlooking all kinds of things pertaining to XML I should pay attention to

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Dagmar:

hehe

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** Dagmar make data structure. Dagmar put data structure in ref pointer. Dagmar invoke XML::Simple and pound keyboard with face. Dagmar get XML file. Dagmar happy! **

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

i have an xmltv file with my listings but mythtv is getting the channel names wrong

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Hilikus:

i see that there are several <display-name> items in a <channel>, how is it supposed to know which one is the human name of the channel when the xml tag is always the same?

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Hilikus:

it has the callsign, human name and affiliation all under <display-name>

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Hilikus:

also, how do i tell mythfilldatabase to reset the channels list??

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daMaestro:

soooo

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daMaestro:

what do i need to do to get the automagic transcode to honor the cutlist and remove commercials?

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** iamlindoro trouts the shit out of the users list **

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iamlindoro:

daMaestro, a script of your own

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daMaestro:

iamlindoro, before i re-installed, i could just enable autocommflag and autotranscode and it would honor the cut list

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daMaestro:

oh, wait

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iamlindoro:

daMaestro, ah, so you already have a cutlist?

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iamlindoro:

In that case, enable the lossless transcode checkbox in the transcoder profile

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daMaestro:

iamlindoro, already done

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daMaestro:

iamlindoro, however it doesn't remove the commercials

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iamlindoro:

if you have loaded the commflag as a cutlist, that will work-- but the commercial list and cutlists are two very different things

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daMaestro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

mythtranscode will honor a cutlist, but not a commflag list

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iamlindoro:

you can *load* a commflag list as a cutlist, but it's done manually or scripted

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iamlindoro:

ie edit a recording, press "z"

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iamlindoro:

that will load commercial flags as a cutlist, and a transcode will remove them after that

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iamlindoro:

or scripted with "mythcommflag --gencutlist -f somefilename"

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iamlindoro:

but myth has absolutely no built-in way of doing those steps

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GreyFoxx:

And that's totally on purpose

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, wasn't trying to be derisive of that :)

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GreyFoxx:

I know, I just wanted it to be known it wasn't a forgotten step but an intentional choice :)

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daMaestro:

i assume i could change the TranscodeCommand to be a custom command

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Hilikus:

how do i tell mythfilldatabase to reset the channels list??

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clever:

Hilikus: mythfilldatabase --help

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iamlindoro:

keep asking, and next time add a few more question marks

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iamlindoro:

and ask more frequently

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iamlindoro:

we love that

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Hilikus:

all that is in the wiki and there's nothing about reseting the list :S

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Hilikus:

you would think that --do-channel-updates

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Hilikus:

is the one to go, but i ended up with duplicates of every channel

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clever:

then go into the channel editor and trash the whole list

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Hilikus:

:S thats what i thought

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Hilikus:

i'll do that

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Hilikus:

thanks clever

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daMaestro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials seems like what i should do

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daMaestro:

well http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing . . . _commercials

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Hilikus:

another question, is there a way to select favorite channel from mythweb?

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PaulWay:

Australia is PAL-G or PAL-B?

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daMaestro:

gah, is there any way to have mythfrontend show you what you have and have not watched?

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clever:

daMaestro: its called marking things as watched:P

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adante:

hm

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adante:

anybody know how to change how much the volume control changes volume by?

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daMaestro:

clever, how do i do that?

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clever:

daMaestro: hit the right arrow at the recording list

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daMaestro:

clever, rather, do you know where the shortcut reference is for myhtfrontent?

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clever:

youll see a 'mark as watched' option

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daMaestro:

ah, cool

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hyem is there a mythtv front end, or mythweb for the wii

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Dagmar:

No.

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DarkDrgn2k:

hm....

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clever:

i find it odd that mythweb wouldnt work on the wii

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PaulWay:

Curse it, I can get this card to output NTSC, which turns up in black and white on a PAL TV,

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: well.. yeh i guess

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PaulWay:

or I can get the card to output PAL, in which case it seems to only occupy the top two rows of the screen.

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: i guess the q was is there a way to watch the recordings on a wii LoL

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clever:

ah

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DarkDrgn2k:

in theory isnt it just a flash 6 player with a ffmpeg on-the-fly encoder?

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PaulWay:

Anyone had any experience with getting nVidia cards to output PAL-B sensibly?

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DarkDrgn2k:

PaulWay: u sing binary drivers?

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: i had to compile my own ffmpeg with mp3 support and even then, the nuv files made it explode

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PaulWay:

DarkDrgn2k: yes – don't hate me... :-)

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: luckly my tuners are mpeg :-P

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clever:

i managed to hack together a mess with mencoder and ffmpeg that 'worked' but even then its not full screen

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DarkDrgn2k:

PaulWay: weird.. i found the binary drivers work well ..

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clever:

and my linux computers far outnumber any other device

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PaulWay:

I have too on my home system.

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PaulWay:

Hmm – can I ssh into that?

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clever:

and they allready run frontends everywhere

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PaulWay:

One moment.

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clever:

so i gave up

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: i need to find a cost efficient way to get a decently sized front end in place

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clever:

my laptop works fine for SD frontend

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: i tried happauge MVP, but thats. well.. it works.. kinda.. but its not myth :(

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clever:

just get the tvout to work and it would slip into the tv stand where the STB belongs

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iamlindoro:

You could always use an Apple TV.. they're cheap and could play *some* HD, and that's native Myth.

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: how much is apply tv?

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PaulWay:

Curse it – it's using exactly the same options (TVStandard = PAL-B, TVOutFormat = SVIDEO, ConnectedMonitor = TV)

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iamlindoro:

$200

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DarkDrgn2k:

really?

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iamlindoro:

erm, wait

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iamlindoro:

it's probably less

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DarkDrgn2k:

thast cheap.. LMAO

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iamlindoro:

$200 on the internet, $229 from apple itself

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PaulWay:

Yeah, I reckoned those Apple TVs would make a great front end, just have to get Mythfrontend installed...

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh, how do you install myth front end... do you install a new linux on it?

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Dagmar:

Been there, done that, didn't like the result.

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iamlindoro:

You can either install the mac MythFrontend client, or boot it into linux, either will work

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iamlindoro:

Wouldn't want to use it for anything but an SD frontend myself, but it will work, in theory

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh i found for good HD you need a pritty powerfull puter!

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DarkDrgn2k:

basically its not really feasable yet, not until hardware acceleration is supported by nvidia:-P

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iamlindoro:

It will output HD resolutions, it just doesn't have the horsepower to handle anything but low bitrates

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Dagmar:

dochench: They can always go back to trying monopoly/antitrust cases

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iamlindoro:

DarkDrgn2k, It's perfectly feasible with adequate processor

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: yes, really, i heard that 1080p with good bitrate is VERY expensive

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iamlindoro:

DarkDrgn2k, You get what you pay for, and btw, 1080p means nothing

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iamlindoro:

bitrate and encoding options are ALL that matters, resolution means nothing in the playback game

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Dagmar:

It means OMGLOTSOFSCANLINES

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Dagmar:

Of course, all those scan lines have to be all one color

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: liek i said..GOOD BITRATE

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iamlindoro:

DarkDrgn2k, and even that is relatively inconsequential

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DarkDrgn2k:

wher can i get apple tv?

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iamlindoro:

www.apple.com

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: everything is ..

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clever:

ebay.com

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: NOT from apple :-P

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: You have three choices, fast, ccheap, good. You're not getting two of those with a dinky mac frontend designed for something else and no more

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iamlindoro:

www.google.com

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PaulWay:

See, the thing that annoys me is that everyone says "Apple is just a hardware company" to excuse their software lock-in of things like iTunes, etc.

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PaulWay:

And yet you'd think that if they were just a hardware company they'd be making it easy for people to install any other software they wanted.

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Dagmar:

Apple is an "experience" company.

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DarkDrgn2k:

its even funnier that Appl's OS license says it can only be installed on APPLE BRANDED computer

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Dagmar:

You know, like a crack dealer.

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PaulWay:

Sure, lock away OS-X so that it can't be installed on anything but Apple hardware, but don't lock Apple hardware so you can't install anything else on it.

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PaulWay:

Indeed.

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PaulWay:

Apple are just as evil as Microsoft in that respect.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: Why not? Sony did it. Microsoft did it. Nintendo did it.

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iamlindoro:

I think people who don't like it can fuck the fuck off. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

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iamlindoro:

if you think you can do better, do so

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DarkDrgn2k:

the only thing i like about apple commercias.. the more then bring knowlesge of NON windows operating systems.. the more chance linux has to survive in the general public!

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iamlindoro:

who gives a fuck, Apple is under no obligation to make their hardware or software work your way. Vote with your wallet.

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PaulWay:

iamlindoro: I do. But I know several people who've just forked out for Apples because they wanted to give up Windows.

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Dagmar:

Haranging IRC people about "Fight the 'law' of gravity! It's keeping us all down" in an IRC channel is just short of firing off a handgun in a small, metallic and enclosed space.

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iamlindoro:

PaulWay, Then that's their perogative.

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PaulWay:

Which is like saying "I'll give up the cocaine so I can go to heroin – that can't be too bad, can it?"

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PaulWay:

I think that the only reason people fear Google is that they see every other company going off and being evil and breaking their 'we're good' promises.

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AndyCap:

at least your crack dealer doesn't make you sign a contract that you won't use heroin as well.

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clever:

AndyCap: what about going to another dealer, 2nd contact...

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PaulWay:

Dagmar: and then Sony released the Playstation 3, which allows you to install Linux on it straight from the main menu.

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Dagmar:

No, he'll just break your kneecaps if you buy it from someone else.

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PaulWay:

As a fully supported option.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay: And at that point, they've washed their hands of you.

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Dagmar:

They don't support it, and you can't do anything with PS3 game discs under it

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PaulWay:

Sure, which is exactly what we've expected all along.

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PaulWay:

No problems with that.

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DarkDrgn2k:

ummm any one know where i can pick up an apple tv eitehr than ebay

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clever:

google!

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iamlindoro:

sphery, "As always, I cannot and will not provide ANY support or help via e-mail for the script. If you e-mail me for help, I will ignore you AND be annoyed with you."

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PaulWay:

But before it wasn't even an option, even though the hacker community was saying "we don't care about the games, we just want to hack on the hardware"

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iamlindoro:

sphery, guess how long, in your time unit of choice, after that it was that i got the first e-mail

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: If you think we're giving you shit now, just wait until you try to get these people to help you install on a platform we KNOW is horribly unsuited for it

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: LMAO dude, do you remember me bitching about MVP?

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PaulWay:

And at the end of the PaulWay rant, it will be time to get ready for going out to lunch. :-)

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i didnt bug you guys for that ;)

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iamlindoro:

So stop trying to skimp on frontend hardware

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: besides..... with IRC you always get that no matter WHAT you ask :-P

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: A *smart* person would spend their money on a cheap x86 machine that actually has spare power

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iamlindoro:

You should have learned your lessonf from the MediaMVP

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: im trying to keep the SIZE down

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: False.

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iamlindoro:

Then buy a Mac Mini

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iamlindoro:

or a Dell Studio Hybrid

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: Then you should be prepared to shell out a lot of money

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iamlindoro:

both work great in linux and are great, small, quiet frontends

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Dagmar:

Or possibly an SFF Optiplex

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Dagmar:

Useful, small, cheap. You don't get all three.

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Dagmar:

Getting a used CFF or SFF Optiplex is about as good as you're likely to get

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DarkDrgn2k:

i got 2 mini atx computers....

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Dagmar:

...and that's going to severely limit your storage and tuner card options.

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DarkDrgn2k:

one AMD 3200 one Celeron D (LOL i know... i know... doint need a fseter chip)

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Dagmar:

So why aren't you using the 3200?

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i am

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Dagmar:

...and you need a mac mini, why?

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: but i cant fit a comptuer liek that under my TV in the living room... the 3200 is in my room :-P

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Dagmar:

You ever considered just buying a longer bloody video cable and running it through the wall?

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: yeh......... to much work

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: between the vide... IR..

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: audio....

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Dagmar:

Then you've not thought about what a hell working with a mac mini is going to be

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Dagmar:

Either that or you've got the upper body strength of a nine-year-old

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: you realize that i havve a some what decent myth setup.. and i never watch tv right...

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Dagmar:

Well, the mac mini will definitely help you with that

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Dagmar:

...not watching much TV.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: for me its not so much for the end as the means :-P

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar:you know.. learn something new..

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Dagmar:

I'm not seeing "learn something new".

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Dagmar:

I'm seeing "make other people crazy by asking them about each and every step"

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: but i dont need to ask a question about sertting this up to make ppl go crazy,.. i just have to mentionj im THINKING of doing it (apperently)

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Dagmar:

Go right ahead and do it then

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Dagmar:

We've told you what's going to happen

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DarkDrgn2k:

i dont have the cash to blow on a apple mini..

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DarkDrgn2k:

honestly... im jus looking at options :-P

[02:51:47]

Hilikus:

is there a way to remove channel from being scheduled without removing the channel altogether?

[02:52:27]

DarkDrgn2k:

Hilikus: remove programming entry in the daatabase?

[02:53:08]

Hilikus:

thats not good, it will keep getting scheduled and would have to remove every wrong entry manually

[02:53:27]

Hilikus:

i just want to say, never record from this channel

[02:53:44]

Dagmar:

Don't use the "record this on ANY channel" option then

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hilikus: i ment remove the channel scheduled listings

[02:54:47]

DarkDrgn2k:

hmmm minipc's look interesting :-P

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Hilikus:

sometimes theres a show on more than 1 channel, thats why i dont want to restrict it to record in chanel X, i want it to record on any channel except the ones im not subscribed to

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PaulWay:

Hilikus: Can't you turn its display off in the mythtv-setup?

[02:55:14]

PaulWay:

I.e. the channel's display setting.

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Hilikus:

you mean making the channel not visible?

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PaulWay:

Yep.

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Hilikus:

i did that, stuff still gets scheduled there

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PaulWay:

Oh.

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DarkDrgn2k:

why dont you want it to record?

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PaulWay:

Try taking its XMLTV ID out.

[02:56:58]

PaulWay:

That way it won't get linked to schedule data.

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PaulWay:

Anyway, thanks all for your various help :-)

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Hilikus:

DarkDrgn2k cause i have channels in my guide that im not subscribed too

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hilikus: why not remove them then?

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justinh:

ahhh nice image. ninjas slaying noobs by night

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Hilikus:

but i still want to see them in the guide just to see if theyre worth subscribing to

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey, is there a way to link a channel from one source to the channel data on another one?

[02:57:51]

clever:

Hilikus: i simply delete those from schedules direct and mythtv

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clever:

ahhh

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Hilikus:

i guess i'll have to stop using record in ANY channel

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clever:

bbl

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DarkDrgn2k:

so

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know if i can attach one tuner's channel to another tuner's channel data?

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justinh:

you really only have yourself to blame if you've got channels you can't use in mythtv. I would've thought it'd be a bonus to be able to hide channels you can't get. The cable service I use makes me see all the channels I can't get & it's _annoying_

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol i knwo .. its stupid..

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iamlindoro:

Oh, you've awakened justinh, now you're fucked

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justinh:

you can always try assigning one tuner the same 'video source' as another tuner's, but I smell pain doing that

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DarkDrgn2k:

justinh: my problem is that schedule direct doesnt have the GTA's Digital Antenna (only Analod antenna). But the programming is identical as on the cable probgramming on some of the channels.

[03:04:33]

justinh:

iamlindoro: the heartburn from a takeaway pizza was what woke me up :( damn foo idea phoning for pizza when we got home

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iamlindoro:

justinh, you have no idea what I've been dealing with the last some-odd hours

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justinh:

hrm GTA Digital Antenna... you could always try car-jacking the EPG data. Best arm yourself with at least a hammer first

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iamlindoro:

I have *never* seen the IQ average so low in here since the ol' dustybin Ecstasy event of... oh, that was yesterday.

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iamlindoro:

not he's not been in since

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iamlindoro:

er note

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DarkDrgn2k:

justinh: funy.....

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justinh:

GTA DA is the 5th in Rockstar's controversial game series, set in the period of the digital television transition period. New weapons include ATSC FTA boxes & missions include trying to get a cable STB with an enabled firewire port from the local provider's office......

[03:09:42]

DarkDrgn2k:

GTA=greater toronto area

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DarkDrgn2k:

schedule direct doesnt have it

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

well, if a lineup is identical, duplicating video source usage across tuners ain't a bad idea. However, if lineups are not exactly the same, I forsee frustration & constination

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DarkDrgn2k:

justinh: the channel line up is differnt... the idividual channels are the same (but differn channel #)

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justinh:

hrm. maybe you could write your own script to pull the data out of mythtv & rejig the channel numbers

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh..

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DarkDrgn2k:

i was thinbking creative SQL statements..

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justinh:

what's SD's take on the missing lineup? Maybe they could help

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daMaestro:

where can i find information on error codes 238 and 252

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iamlindoro:

don't look at error codes, just run the transcode yourself (or watch your backend log) and you'll see plain english about the problem.

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daMaestro:

2008-09–06 21:24:56.157 JobQueue Error: Commercial Flagging Errored: South Park "The Losing Edge" recorded from channel 1072 at Thu Sep 4 22:30:00 2008 (failed with exit status 238)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: And he wasn't even nice enough to post the request to the list where the rest of us could get a chuckle out of it. At least I got to hear about it through the grapevine... :)

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iamlindoro:

"So I bought a new MS MCE-style remote which acts as a USB device and therefore doesn't use LIRC. Since then I've had no problems."

[04:30:41]

iamlindoro:

Ah, users list, always full of useful, accurate information.

[04:31:06]

justinh:

it's what wikipedia could be, if it were a mailing list :D

[04:31:25]

iamlindoro:

LOL

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justinh:

must be a bugger though, having a remote with a USB cable

[04:31:45]

iamlindoro:

So convenient that LCE remotes don't use LIRC, too

[04:31:50]

iamlindoro:

oh, whoops, they do *eyeroll*

[04:31:53]

iamlindoro:

er MCE

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justinh:

yeah. the fact police can't check everything before it goes out there

[04:32:43]

iamlindoro:

I'd demand moderation but I wouldn't wish that on anyone

[04:32:50]

justinh:

hahahaha

[04:33:18]

justinh:

my attitude towards the mailing lists (and forums for that matter) is all about moderation

[04:33:29]

justinh:

as in.. best used in moderation

[04:33:39]

iamlindoro:

best read in even greater moderation

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Dagmar:

Don't worry, there's an aggressive army of pedants with the Recent Changes page as the start page on their browser.

[04:34:18]

iamlindoro:

I just keep the pages I've authored in the watch list and prevent people from fecking with them too much

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justinh:

yay. heartburn has left the building, so I shall head back to bed

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jblack:

I just watched the Gates/Seinfeld commercial on youtube, and... seriously, wtf

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justinh:

jblack: hahah yeah I thought that too

[04:41:10]

jblack:

I can't decide if they're selling shoes or churros.

[04:41:15]

justinh:

will mythtv run on a marshmallow PC?

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LanUser:

jblack: yeah, that doesn't help MS, the shoe industry, maybe, but MS? not so much...

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jblack:

So, they can make Xboxes... almost at least. Their marketing seems to be about as good as their operating systems?

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LanUser:

Have you seen the "blind taste test" commercials for Vista? With the "reveal" in the end?

[04:43:04]

justinh:

me, I like the Mitchell & Webb Mac adverts.

[04:43:18]

jblack:

The "I'm a pc" ones?

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justinh:

yup

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jblack:

I think Macs are evil. Those commercials still entertain me too, though.

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Dagmar:

"If we take some completely unsavvy people, and stick them in a room with a machine running Vista, and let them look at it for ten minutes, they can't get mad enough to tell us to fuck off and some of them even think it's pretty!"

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jblack:

What happened? Back in the 90s, they were a juggernaut. They were gonna take over the world.

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jblack:

Now, they can't seem to pick out shoes without help?

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justinh:

if anything about Apple is evil, it'd be Steve Jobs IMHO

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iamlindoro:

I liked that the picture on his shoe card was his booking photo from when he was arrested

[04:45:51]

iamlindoro:

otherwise, agree with the WTF

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jblack:

Steve Jobs isn't good or evil. He's an incarnate form of nature.

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justinh:

for pity's sake – any company gets a bit of success under its belt & suddenly they're _evil_

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iamlindoro:

http://www.msboycott.com/special/99_12_20/mugshots.jpg

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jblack:

Google's not evil! Nor is .... ummm...

[04:46:51]

jblack:

well, I suppose you're right, that a lot of large companies get all darth vadery.

[04:47:01]

justinh:

all computer hardware manufacturers are evil, they employ what is basically slave labour to make components. Oh wait, that's just economics

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jblack:

I'm american, so I'm required by law to care about what happens to children in Korea.

[04:47:38]

jblack:

Pardon, to not care.

[04:48:09]

justinh:

truth be told, if everything was made in the country where you buy it, you probably wouldn't be able to afford it ;)

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LanUser:

It's funny that on Seinfeld, Jerry always only had a Mac in his apartment

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iamlindoro:

That show's a good american knowledge of global economics/geography as little of our equipment is made in Korea ;)

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jblack:

Heh. I can't afford it now!

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iamlindoro:

s/show's/shows/

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justinh:

shoes?

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jblack:

we've tapped out india and south korea. It's time to exploit a new desperate economy.

[04:49:25]

justinh:

martians. that's why they're looking for life on Mars

[04:49:55]

jblack:

Surely zimbabwe would be cheaper.

[04:50:23]

jblack:

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone, by going into Nigeria.

[04:50:29]

justinh:

maybe, but there might also be valuable resources on Mars, as opposed to Zimbabwe where there aren't any

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jblack:

Sure, we'd be poisoning their kids with lead by offloading old computers, but no more "You have inherited 13.4 million dollars"

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iamlindoro:

Make no mistake, if we go into Nigeria it would be for one reason alone

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iamlindoro:

it is chock fucking full of oil

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justinh:

lead is the least of the worries the back-yard recyclers in the 3rd world have to content with

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justinh:

/s/content/contend

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** jblack wonders how "Thank you for calling dell" would sound with a nigerian accent. **

[04:52:06]

justinh:

I might think twice before hnding over my credit card details

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iamlindoro:

This is Prince Kwambe F. Stevenson II speaking, may I have your account number?

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jblack:

rotfl

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justinh:

you should check out fonejacker on youtube for a comedic take on that

[04:53:49]

justinh:

phones random people in one of several characters. my favourite is the call centre dude trying to flog 'better broadbandings'

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justinh:

it's all very old now but still makes me chuckle

[04:54:49]

wagnerrp:

ive got some damned mutant flies in my house

[04:55:15]

wagnerrp:

theyre like twice the size of normal flies, and smashing them (against carpet) does not kill them

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iamlindoro:

It only makes them stronger

[04:55:57]

wagnerrp:

apparently

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jblack:

Got any liquid air?

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justinh:

oh yeh lest I forget the character who rings people up enquiring about techy stuff but pronounces acronyms strangely

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wagnerrp:

jblack: turn it upside down and frost them?

[04:56:27]

jblack:

Yah.

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jblack:

freeze 'em solid, store 'em in the freezer for winter, then see if they thaw.

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure i flushed them all already

[04:57:06]

wagnerrp:

ive got a can on the shelf, but its about empty

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wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to pick up some more, but nowhere close by carries it

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jblack:

walmart always has more. Science will thank you for the experiment

[04:58:18]

wagnerrp:

no walmart around here actually

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wagnerrp:

closest is like 15 miles away

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wagnerrp:

my area has been pretty good at sticking to stores of lesser evil

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LanUser:

Walmart closed the only store in our town and now opened 2 mega-walmart stores just outside of our city limits to avoid city taxes, our town is only 45K, they are indeed evil

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purserj:

so don't shop at walmart?

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LanUser:

Not to mention that the original in-town Walmart had actually "paved over paradise and put up a parking lot", it was formerly a nice forest in the city

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** LanUser doesn't shop at Walmart **

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Huijari:

a 45k town had only one store? :O

[05:18:06]

Huijari:

ahh, "only one" walmart

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Maliuta:

there are no walmarts here

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jaek_:

i have mythtv installed on a machine that doesnt have a tuner card, how can i disable the tv menu items so i can just use it to play videos on the machine?

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LanUser:

jaek_: edit the .xml files, starting with mainmenu.xml

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jaek_:

oh, ok

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wagnerrp:

jack_: do you ever intend to get a tuner card?

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jaek_:

no

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jaek_:

just to play videos on the tv

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wagnerrp:

then you probably want to look around for a different solution

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jaek_:

hmm, what else is out there?

[05:28:07]

jaek_:

something that i can use the remote with

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is centered around recording TV, and everything is just tacked on top of that

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jaek_:

i'm thinking of using freevo, but it seems to have lots of tv stuff in it too

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wagnerrp:

ive heard XBMC works well

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Sulx:

or boxee alpha

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wagnerrp:

ive heard mixed feelings of Elisa

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jaek_:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Center#Stand-alone_software

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** LanUser is blown over by the look of Elisa after watching the demo video **

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jaek_:

dayum

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jaek_:

i guess i should try it

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** cesman doesn't consider any software that doesn't have a PVR functionality as a media center **

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klos:

hi, im planning on building a media center using mythbuntu and two apple tvs as a frontend and also a thin client as a terminal server client running on the htpc box

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klos:

would this work ? :)

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Sulx:

sure

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klos:

so there would be no intereference between running mythtv and the thinclient

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klos:

i wanna use good hardware tho, but im not too sure about mythtv resource handling

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klos:

anyone into an appletv as mythtv frontend btw ?

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klos:

i wonder if its possible to run it along with the applesoftware in version2

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klos:

can you use ci modules in the mythtv backend that allow watching paytv on every frontend ?

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daMaestro:

yes. finally got commercial removal working :-D

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LanUser:

Is there a way to apply a video card BIOS update without Windows? I have a Gigabyte 8800GT and it looks like they only offer Windows binaries

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LanUser:

Maybe only with a BartPE boot disk?

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GlemSom:

I was just watching a video of LinuxMCE... Looks like he plugs in a USB IR adapter... But – from what I understand lirc is not compatible with USB adapters... ? (Or am I missing something here)

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LanUser:

Where's the video? I'd like to watch it

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GlemSom:

LanUser, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829

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LanUser:

wow

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LanUser:

Can we put the MythTV and LinuxMCE dev folks in a glass, add some yeast, warm water, sugar and mix well?

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wagnerrp:

GlemSom: youre missing something. LIRC is not compatible with SIR/FIR/IRDA adapters (its not a compatible technology), but there are some USB adapters that work just fine.

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adante:

LanUser: throw the xbmc devs in the mix too

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GlemSom:

wagnerrp, Ok, thanks :) I was close to buying a USB->Serial adapter... But guess that will not work at all then... :)

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forrestv:

would it be a good idea to open a tv and use the ir receiver in there? could the ir reciever somehow be faked so a blaster is not needed?

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forrestv:

*receiver

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cesman:

forrestv: if you know how to open a TV and take the receiver out, you could probably make one...

[08:02:09]

cesman:

schematics are on various sites...

[08:02:16]

cesman:

check the LIRC website (or google)

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forrestv:

cesman, yes, but i want to keep the tv's receiver in it, so i can use it with lirc. and then a blaster could be connected directly to the normal output of the receiver.

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forrestv:

it would be better than having a blaster+receiver stuck on the front

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cesman:

I've no idea what it is you are trying to do...

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cesman:

I don' t know how you'd go about "faking" a blaster

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cesman:

best of luck and please write it up on the wiki if you succeed!

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daMaestro:

anyone used the WinTV-HVR-2250 with linux?

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daMaestro:

hmm http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hvr2250.html#linux "work in progress"

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daMaestro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 damn.

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adante:

uhhhhh so

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adante:

i have 2 tuners

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adante:

when i set 1 to record

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adante:

then try to watch live v it locks me intothe first (currently recording) tuner and when i change channls it sticks on the recording satio

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adante:

this is a bit wierd

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adante:

hm

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adante:

well having multiple recorders has certainly gotten odd

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andreax:

You can switch the input via the menu while livetv with m

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styelz:

adante: odd, i have 2 tuners and myth always selects the free tuner for me

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styelz:

if both cards are recording, it pops up a menu asking which recorded channel i want to watch

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styelz:

im using version 18207

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justinh:

heheh. folks are often 'blown away' by Elisa's demo video. So was I. However, I'm less blown away by just how crashy it is

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adante:

heh

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adante:

i tried to run elisa the other day

[10:06:10]

adante:

there seems to be sweet fa documentation out there

[10:06:27]

adante:

couldn't figure out how to configure it, couldn't even figure out how to go back in the menu

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justinh:

but it has this really cool spinny UI thingy! And it's got reflections! And.. And... And... and... !

[10:06:49]

justinh:

quick! slashdot it! digg it!!

[10:06:56]

adante:

justinh: the uh spinny UI thingy.. that's the ONLY THING i could get it to do

[10:07:17]

adante:

spin and spin and spin and enter a menu and... how do i get back to the spin?

[10:07:25]

styelz:

hehe

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justinh:

and those icons... what's so wrong with having _some_ text?

[10:07:45]

adante:

styelz: thanks for the info, turns out myth is doing something wierd with my tuners (thinks i've got 2 cards or something)

[10:07:55]

adante:

er 2 recorders per card, that is

[10:08:14]

justinh:

call me back when it doesn't crash as often, and it can record television

[10:08:34]

styelz:

check the settings for max recordings on each card in the backend

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tjcarter:

that's impressive

[10:08:41]

adante:

call me back when there is documentation

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justinh:

oh wait. they keep rejiggling the UI so much they have no time to do anything else

[10:09:09]

adante:

has anybody ever experienced tv tuners dieing from excessive heat?

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justinh:

myth has its faults, that much I know. but for all that, it just does what it's supposed to

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tjcarter:

Of course, it's an AppleTV for something else

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tjcarter:

but still

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tjcarter:

That's got more UI ripoff than Pearody

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justinh:

adante: I think so.. not dying so much as going a bit flaky

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adante:

justinh: ah, like it stops tuning?

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justinh:

adante: I had all 3 of my dvb-t tuners bunched up together so I spaced em out

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adante:

think i've chewed through 4 dvb cards.. one my last one now :/

[10:10:29]

adante:

justinh: that'd be me heh.. except i didn't space them out

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justinh:

nah, one tuner was getting to be a bit dodgy. did the shufle & they've been fine ever since

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justinh:

my next tuners will probably be based on silicon hardware rather than olde worlde discrete tuners

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adante:

wish i could resurrect them, paid like $300 for them

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justinh:

lower power consumption == less heat :)

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adante:

yeah heh

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adante:

anyway bbl need to remove this card and shake it or something

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justinh:

I once fell into the trap of taking a stock case with plenty drive bays & putting as many disks in as I could without fitting any case fans

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justinh:

that was fine until summertime

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styelz:

heh

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styelz:

would make a nice heater in winter

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tjcarter:

justinh: did it have a removable tray in the top bay?

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styelz:

bottom warmer maybe

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styelz:

i have 1 intake fan and 2 out on my case, there 5 drives all up in it. been on for about a year or more now now issues. X fingers

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tjcarter:

justinh: Have to have a removable tray in the top drive bay for baking cookies...

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styelz:

thats how they make the 80mm cd's

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justinh:

no, but it has this slide-out tray for holding cups of hot drinks. I've not yet got around to finding a cup small enough to be taken inside the mechanism though

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tjcarter:

styelz: heaping teaspoon of CDdough?

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styelz:

no its a shrinked 120mm cd

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tjcarter:

justinh: I seriously got the cupholder call. At an ISP.

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justinh:

I've got a USB cup warmer somewhere. bloody useless, it is

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styelz:

heh

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justinh:

tjcarter: classic

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justinh:

I used to talk to the tech support people at work.. people ring up asking how much our units weigh... when the unit has no images on it & when the HDD is full

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styelz:

ehehe

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justinh:

and this guy upgraded his DVR to a colour model, but wondered why the images displayed & recorded were still black & white. Hadn't also upgraded his cameras. DUH

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tjcarter:

justinh: I have a hard time getting people to believe that I got the cupholder call before the comic strip, and the guy was serious.

[10:20:08]

justinh:

another one had a dome camera with pan tilt & zoom – he was impressed with it apart from the fact he couldn't pan, tilt or zoom the camera on recorded video

[10:20:36]

justinh:

you just can't make this stuff up :D

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styelz:

bugger

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tjcarter:

hey, it could be done

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tjcarter:

you'd need a fisheye camera and software

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justinh:

oh yeah I know. we're developing something along those lines now

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styelz:

vrml does that

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tjcarter:

justinh: you wanna see real assraping, you should see what CCTV setups for low vision peoples run.

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tjcarter:

Even considering that the US dollar has a value now approximating that of the Mexican peso I expect (only slight exaggeration), low-vision CCTV setups are $3500 or more sometimes.

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justinh:

cctv setups for low vision people? as in the partially sighted?

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justinh:

you should see how much the gear we make costs customers. makes$3500 look like pocket change

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tjcarter:

justinh: http://www.clarityusa.com/index.php?option=co . . . mp;Itemid=66

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AndyCap:

this thing doesn't cost money, it saves money!

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tjcarter:

justinh: tell me that setup should cost $3500

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justinh:

oh!

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justinh:

see what you mean

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** AndyCap notes the suspicious absence of specs like resolution etc. **

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: 640x480.

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: seriously?

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AndyCap:

highway robbery

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justinh:

"This product is individually handcrafted in the USA". ta-da!

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tjcarter:

The Clarity is one of the few that have attention to making the interlacing not look awful.

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justinh:

interlacing? holy poo on a stick!

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tjcarter:

those cameras output NTSC

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AndyCap:

so, a laptop and an isight would have this thing beat?

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justinh:

webcam, tablet PC.. some software...

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: not quite..

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justinh:

and cheaper too

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: a laptop with an external webcam, LED lighting, and a USB-connected autofocusing lens system has it beat.

[10:29:39]

tjcarter:

The standard webcam lenses don't cut it (I've tried)

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight

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tjcarter:

I'm sitting in front of an internal iSight now.

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tjcarter:

the Firewire models have more or less gone away =(

[10:30:31]

AndyCap:

well, an internal one wouldn't be any good

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justinh:

whoah talk about broken css on the clarity website

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justinh:

not what I call accessible!

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tjcarter:

yeah

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directhex:

tjcarter, WEEE killed isight

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AndyCap:

what was in it?

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directhex:

they contain levels of assorted pollutants that make them illegal to sell in europe, so they didn't bother with refreshing the range

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tjcarter:

I've been hoping to take advantage of some prefab PXA thing and the cheap and widely available LCD panels to build a comparable device with full specs online

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tjcarter:

I really wanna get the costs down low though

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tjcarter:

I mean, lower than I'm willing to pay by a wide margin

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tjcarter:

Despite the 70% unemployment rate of blind people in the US, most can get equipment.

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justinh:

funny thing about WEEE, they replace lead & other stuff with things that could be just as dangerous for the environment

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tjcarter:

Outside the US, the notion of electronic equipment for a blind kid...

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tjcarter:

But still, camera, adequate SBC, and the other parts should be under $100 with a really nice LCD maybe raising the total to $200

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justinh:

tjcarter: plus $3000 for assembly :)

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tjcarter:

I figure put the plans out there and let people assemble them themselves.

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tjcarter:

If a blind guy can do it... =D

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tjcarter:

I have even recently developed techniques for board soldering of non-SMT components

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tjcarter:

If I ever need to do SMT, I'll need a new toaster oven ;)

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AndyCap:

the reflow toaster? :)

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IOU:

ah i think its time to try and see what of MythTV i can get to compile on Cygwin

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Floppy76:

hi – just upgraded to 0.21, now playback through PVR 350 is very slow and jittery (as if there is no deinterlacing). Anyone had anything similar?

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justinh:

I don't think Cygwin is the preferred method

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justinh:

welcome to the land of PVR350nolongersupportedverywell, Floppy76

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Floppy76:

justinh: Hm. If I'd known that 0.21 was going to break my system, I wouldn't have upgraded :(

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** cesman saw no major issues w/ testing the the 350 TV out w/ KnoppMyth R5.5... **

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cesman:

the fellow that did the work to get the 350 supported with MythTV is no longer maintaining the code

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Floppy76:

ah

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cesman:

at some point, the 350 will no longer work...

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cesman:

well, the encoder will continue to work

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Floppy76:

hmmm

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AndyCap:

Floppy76: and it's not really that good an output solution.

[10:52:30]

Floppy76:

would I be better off taking the plunge and moving to the onboard tv-out instead?

[10:52:49]

Floppy76:

AndyCap: it was doing me ok until yesterday – oh well :)

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Floppy76:

I know what you mean though

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cesman:

I'd say that depends on your on-board tuner ;)

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AndyCap:

Floppy76: maybe. depends on the on-board graphics.

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Floppy76:

some ATI thing I think

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** AndyCap uses vga-scart for his crt tv. **

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Floppy76:

never used it in 5 years :)

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Floppy76:

hm, vga -> scart sounds like a possibility as well

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Floppy76:

simpler too I expect

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cesman:

getting ATI tv out has been a _black_art_ in the past

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cesman:

I hope you have some live chicken handy and aren't afraid to bite a neck or two ;)

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cesman:

while it has gotten better, given that you are using an older ATI chipset you have be better off with just spending about $30 on a card an nvidia chipset and tv out

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cesman:

s/have/may

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Floppy76:

hm, if only I had space for another card

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Floppy76:

small form factor pc

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AndyCap:

Floppy76: what ati chip is it?

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cesman:

later folks

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cesman:

Floppy76: good luck!

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Floppy76:

ta :)

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Floppy76:

not sure at the moment, no time to find out – got a baby to feed. This upgrade was supposed to be simple... oh well – looks like a bit of a redesign is on the cards

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Floppy76:

thanks all

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Floppy76:

might be back later ;)

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kuil:

hi all.. I have a strange problem playing recordings using mythtv 0.21 fixes from 2 months ago..

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kuil:

in mythfrontend the 'preview' video plays just fine.. but when I want to watch fullscreen.. it keeps waiting

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kuil:

and I get the following error in my console 'NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.'

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kuil:

I have tried different frontends.. both same result

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kuil:

anybody an idea of how to fix this?

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Lord_Deathscythe:

hi

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Lord_Deathscythe:

got a strange issue

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Lord_Deathscythe:

not sure how to search out the problem. When mythfrontend comes up it does the whole caching of the theme images but after it's done it just sticks at the background screen. no menu or anything

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sebrock:

a

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sebrock:

wonder why dpms doesnt work first time you boot mythtv

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sebrock:

only after a suspend-wake it works correct

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justinh:

Lord_Deathscythe: install msttcorefonts

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eth01:

one thing which strikes me is the GUI for this?

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eth01:

can you only use the one its shipped with?

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sebrock:

hey anyone knows why all of the sudden GRUB starts giving errors #16 and #18 randomly. Some boots fails and some works...

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Lord_Deathscythe:

justinh, think that might be the problem?

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Lord_Deathscythe:

cause they were installed, just not sure why they wouldn't link back like this

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Lord_Deathscythe:

and that did not solve the problem

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Lord_Deathscythe:

fyi I'm usin the retro theme

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eth01:

no?

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Lord_Deathscythe:

nope

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Lord_Deathscythe:

there are several themes available

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Lord_Deathscythe:

which ou can change up

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Lord_Deathscythe:

... if you can get to the setup menu and the system isn't just sitting there with the background image

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justinh:

maybe your opengl is borked & you're using the opengl painter

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Lord_Deathscythe:

hmmm

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justinh:

try using the -O ThemePainter=qt option

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I did just recently update to xserver 1.5

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Lord_Deathscythe:

negative

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Lord_Deathscythe:

no soap

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I'm tempted to wipe out the database but I really really don't want to

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Lord_Deathscythe:

hi glem

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Lord_Deathscythe:

maybe it's something with the database or something

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Lord_Deathscythe:

not sure at all, but I doubt a database error would prevent the main menu from coming up

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kuil:

any body else having problems with recording playback? while the preview seems to work fine?

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kuil:

(sorry for sounding impatient)

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Lord_Deathscythe:

I'm not so much having issues with playback

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Lord_Deathscythe:

hello

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kuil:

Lord_Deathscythe: ok.. thx

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kuil:

i will try to compile the latest fixes version..

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kuil:

thx

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Rippedca:

What should I select for "channel frequency table" when I have a Canadian satellite receiver that I would like to control with mythtv? I am using a Hauppauge 150 for a capture card

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eth00-:

I have looked but have found mostly older threads with software that was newer/beta, is there a way to reliably stream live tv from linux mythtv box to a windows – hopefully using a remote in windows ?

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Dubstar_04:

XBMC can stream live tv from mythtv

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Dubstar_04:

eth00: XBMC does what you want

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eth00-:

Hmm XBMC just dropped windows support, but I will check if you can still compile it

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Dubstar_04:

http://xbmc.org/download/

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Dubstar_04:

It says it supports xp and vista

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eth00-:

Hmm

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eth00-:

Ok :)

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Dubstar_04:

I use it on my xbox still

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eth00-:

same here, I just upgraded my xbmc the other day

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Dubstar_04:

support is reasonable solid, but if you can I would recommend ditching windows infavor of a mythtv frontend

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my2keh:

anyone know why I'd be getting a conflict at a time when only 2 shows are set to record

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my2keh:

and I have 2 tuners?

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eth00-:

Yeah, the only reason I am not is I want it on my desktop system which does not have any room for an expansion card and I would prefer not to go the route of a usb turner

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eth00-:

going up to 6 screens on this machine, might as well reserve a little space for tv hah

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mkrufky:

does anybody know where to buy something like this?? http://www.ceedtec.com/usb-mini-pci-express-card-cradle.html

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mkrufky:

just a cradle that you can stick minicards into and then plug it into a devbox via usb

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eth00-:

nice device, i have never seen one of those

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mkrufky:

yeah... i want to pick up a few for tinkering... but if they're cheap enough, then maybe i can put them to some good use

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mkrufky:

there are some cool minicards out there that you cant find the same parts used in usb sticks

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my2keh:

it says adapter 1 already in use

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my2keh:

but it's not

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mkrufky:

....this would let you use those in regular pc's

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SHADOW__X:

hello all

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SHADOW__X:

hi mkru

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mkrufky:

hi

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Dubstar_04:

my2keh: check your backend setup, to be sure that you selected different device numbers when setting up the cards.

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my2keh:

in the dvb card setup, I selected 1 and 3

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my2keh:

sorry, 2 and 3

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Dubstar_04:

are you in the uk?

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Dubstar_04:

Which mythtv are you using?

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Dubstar_04:

0.21?

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nordle:

I've been struggling to resolve some video tearing issues in mythtv live tv and playback of recorded tv. On fast panning shots, about 2 inch tear appears at top of lcd screen. I used to get it half way, but eradicated it by going to 50hz. But during some upgrades of nvidia driver and mythtv it came back, only in a different position. Anyway, waffle, fixed it by going for directfb on playback.

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nordle:

directfb appears to use more cpu and xv, but no tears and looks great. Tried OpenGL, again, same cpu usage as directfb and no better/worse picture wise.

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jerky_2:

so this week i installed an updated version of myth through mythbuntu's auto-updater. then i noticed that the meter that shows how much disk is being used is always full (the green meter that gets red at the end when it's full), even though my disk is only 53% used. has anyone else noticed this?

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eth00-:

maybe another one of your filesstems is full?

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eth00-:

maybe a reboot and see if i wants to disk check, i don't know how myth gets disk usage stats

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xand:

mythweb often gets my disk space wrong

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xand:

often shows a negative number

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nordle:

When watching live tv, if I switch to watching a recording, the playback is black screen, sound but no pic. I have to close mythfrontend and re-open it to watch the video. Same thing happens the other way round, ie going from vids to live tv....any thoughts?

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jerky_2:

hm. nah, i tried rebooting and also checked all the filesystems and none are full. it gets the numbers right, like it says "53% used, 137.80 GB free", but then the meter is full (the green blending into red at the very end). it just seems like the code that draws the meter is not respecting the actual % free like it used to. anyone know if change was made to this code in the latest mythbuntu update package?

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a1fa_:

does anybody esle have problems with the guide? it is so laggy

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jerky_2:

not really, but i do notice my hard drive grinding with every key press on the guide. it seems to not store anything in memory but instead reads it from the disk every time you want to display a program's info

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jerky_2:

maybe you have the same thing but with a slow hard drive?

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nordle:

yep, ive got a via k800 board, the i/o isn't great so you really notice the guide lag.

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a1fa_:

that's sad that it is so hardware dependant

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a1fa_:

its a basic menu

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a1fa_:

no reason to be so needy

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jerky_2:

ahh, that makes sense. I have a 15k RPM scsi-3 drive, so the guide lag is barely noticeable, but the hard drive is quite loud, so the grinding sounds pretty funny

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jerky_2:

yeah, i agree – it probably wasn't programmed with performance in mind :)

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a1fa_:

lack of guide speed renders mythtv useless

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jerky_2:

well, i wouldn't go anywhere near that far. but i could see it getting annoying :)

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GreyFoxx:

qzg

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GreyFoxx:

darn cat

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jerky_2:

hahaha

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jerky_2:

so i have some performance problems with myth during HD, i'm using XvMC which i know sucks but overall everything runs fine and CPU usage is like 70%. no big deal. but randomly, every few minutes to every 30 minutes or so, something is running and peaking the CPU and the system gets choppy for a few seconds. anyone have ideas of what it could be? i'm running mythbuntu 8.04

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jerky_2:

a while back i figured out it was that myth was scanning my video directory every 30 mins or so which had like 50k videos in it and was network mounted so that's what was slowing it down, but i fixed that so i don't think it's the problem any more

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GreyFoxx:

the upnpvideo stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

un trunk you can configure the time interval for that

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GreyFoxx:

even down to 0 for no updates

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GreyFoxx:

not sure if I ever back ported that to -fixes

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jerky_2:

hm yeah i don't think so, i think someone mentioned that to me last time and i don't have it because i haven't gone to the trunk ver

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jerky_2:

those skips were noticeable because it took >1 minute, so i could observe what was using a lot of cpu in 'top'

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jerky_2:

but these skips are like 3 seconds long, and one time when i tabbed over the whole system just froze. so getting debug info is tough

[17:30:39]

jerky_2:

i checked the frontend and backend logs but nothing really jumped out at me

[17:30:59]

jerky_2:

and i also got rid of the mythcommflag task running, and changed mythfilldatabase to only run overnight and not respect the time suggested by the server

[17:31:34]

jerky_2:

i tried running the frontend at a high priority or realtime but that just caused it to freeze sometimes and didn't seem to help performance

[17:33:15]

GreyFoxx:

if you run top do yo see anything in particular jump up in cpu usage when it happens ?

[17:33:47]

jerky_2:

top refreshes too slowly to really catch it but i'll see what i can get

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jerky_2:

averages for mythfrontend.re are 50% cpu and Xorg is about 20%

[17:34:49]

jerky_2:

it seems to make no difference whether it's live or recorded, and i'm not sure but i think even SDTV stutters just the same and it normally never would do that

[17:36:01]

jerky_2:

ah looks like you can change top's refresh intervals too

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jerky_2:

i wonder if i can get it to log over time

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AndyCap:

jerky_2: you could look at sysstat sar

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hume:

hi....i have an acute problem: i have no sound when trying to watch TV or recorded TV, that is, streaming from the backend. However, music or films (stored locally) gives sound. Anyone have any idea?

[18:32:26]

wagnerrp:

what type of tuner card do you have?

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hume:

me? hauppauge

[18:32:54]

hume:

analog tv, P-350 i think is the name... usually works

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wagnerrp:

you may not have the mpeg2 decoder compiled properly

[18:33:21]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, you may not have the audio setup properly

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hume:

hrm... but is has worked before....?

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wagnerrp:

do you use 'Internal' or mplayer for movies/mythvideo?

[18:33:41]

hume:

internal

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hume:

for all

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wagnerrp:

huh... it should pull from the same audio device then

[18:33:57]

darkdrgn2k:

hey guys, the HVR-1600 is supported in nix now right

[18:34:25]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: the 1600 is supported in mythtv currently... partially

[18:34:35]

wagnerrp:

the digital part works fine

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darkdrgn2k:

k cause im getting a really wierd error.. that ocurs from time to time on boot

[18:34:44]

darkdrgn2k:

tveeprom 5–0050: Huh, no eeprom present (err=-121)?

[18:34:44]

darkdrgn2k:

tveeprom 5–0050: Encountered bad packet header [00]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom.

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darkdrgn2k:

cx18–0: Invalid EEPROM

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wagnerrp:

but the analog part is not ivtv compatible, so it will not yet work on mythtv

[18:35:23]

wagnerrp:

i think... maybe thats the 1800 that has that problem

[18:36:01]

darkdrgn2k:

well my eprom wont load randomly ..

[18:36:08]

wagnerrp:

one of them has a new analog tuner/encoder that mythtv does not know how to control

[18:36:16]

darkdrgn2k:

using firmware 2008-06–28

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you for that one, i havent had to dick around with firmware for about two years now

[18:36:55]

darkdrgn2k:

problabby the hvr 1800.. last i heard teh 1600 analog was working just not stabele. but thats was few momths ago

[18:37:08]

darkdrgn2k:

weird part is it seems to be ok after a reboot

[18:37:13]

wagnerrp:

the newer versions of ivtv (for my 150s) 'just work'

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh i have a 150 :) thats tuning my analog rogers.. trying to get ATSC working now..

[18:37:37]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, the 1600 works fully w/ myth, it's the 1800 that will only work in digital in myth

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darkdrgn2k:

the 1600 analog is stable to use now?

[18:38:15]

iamlindoro:

yes, both sides of the 1600 will work fine w/ myth

[18:38:28]

darkdrgn2k:

awsome.. my box will soon have 2 tuners as soon as i get a sliptter :-P

[18:38:36]

darkdrgn2k:

if i can figure otu why the eeporom is being a ..

[18:38:55]

darkdrgn2k:

for any one that cares dmesg->http://pastebin.ca/1196608

[18:40:54]

wagnerrp:

damnit, the mutant flies are back

[18:41:08]

wagnerrp:

i need to figure out where these things are coming from...

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iamlindoro:

mutant maggots, no doubt

[18:45:48]

wagnerrp:

these things are massive, like the size of a thumbnail

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laga:

roast 'em with some honey?

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darkdrgn2k:

then out of the blue on a cold reboot it worls ->http://pastebin.ca/1196617

[18:47:08]

wagnerrp:

ill pass

[18:47:19]

wagnerrp:

although their size makes them rather ungainly, and easy to swat

[18:48:04]

wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: cold boot, or just a reboot?

[18:48:27]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: no.. shut down... then power up..

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: tried reboot 2ce. it didnt fix anything...

[18:48:50]

wagnerrp:

ah, that happens sometimes

[18:49:16]

darkdrgn2k:

what.. that the eprom wont load ?!

[18:49:30]

wagnerrp:

have to wait for capacitors to discharge to completely flush out hardware states

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wagnerrp:

rebooting isnt sufficient, you have to cut power and wait a few seconds

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darkdrgn2k:

hm.... dam..

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darkdrgn2k:

intesrting

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darkdrgn2k:

guess i cant do "reboots" anymore else i';ll loose dvb

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darkdrgn2k:

uhh atsc

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darkdrgn2k:

hey quick question.. i have a CATV spliter. putputs are laabled 3.5db 7db and db7. what does that mean?

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iamlindoro:

They are the signal loss associated with each split.

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darkdrgn2k:

so 3.5 is best right

[18:53:51]

iamlindoro:

More or less

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darkdrgn2k:

intersting... learn somethign enw every day

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darkdrgn2k:

on a side note, any one know how to do a USB snoop of a windows driver?

[18:55:02]

iamlindoro:

use a windows USB sniffer and follow its directions

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: i tried, but it doesnt really return anything :-S

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, Then you're doing it wrong

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: apperntly i am :-P hence my question

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iamlindoro:

if you can't figure out the snoop, it's pretty unlikely that the output thereof will be usable by you

[18:56:03]

darkdrgn2k:

actualy, im trying to get snoop for mkrufky,

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darkdrgn2k:

im pritty sure i did it right though. installed teh drivers, hooke din..

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iamlindoro:

More or less, install software filter on device node, have the driver do whatever action it is you are seeking to replicate/snoop, and the resulting log file is the USB communiucations

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darkdrgn2k:

thats what i been trying to do.. but log is empty

[18:57:24]

** darkdrgn2k wonders if maybe the device is avoiding the snoop somehow. **

[18:57:38]

iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

http://www.pcausa.com/Utilities/UsbSnoop/default.htm

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iamlindoro:

No way for the device to "avoid" the snoop

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darkdrgn2k:

yep thats the one i been trying.

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darkdrgn2k:

acutaly i was reading that in the past it has bene known to ahppen.. some rouge usb did things "unconventionally" but anyway

[18:58:23]

iamlindoro:

then I guess you'd better seek support from them, as it is brain-dead easy to use

[18:58:30]

darkdrgn2k:

ill try again LOL

[18:58:43]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, whatever you were reading was full of it

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: it was frmo like 2000 thouhg :-P

[18:59:03]

iamlindoro:

doesn't matter, it was full of it

[18:59:17]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: really.. so your saying usbsnoop works on hardware level?

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iamlindoro:

What I am saying is that if there was communications happening on the USB bus, that it cannot avoid being captured by a USB snoop

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iamlindoro:

and no amount of "unconventiality" will change that

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: sure it can..... driver that has its own USB drivers built in..

[19:00:45]

darkdrgn2k:

im sure smoe crack pot is trying to do somethign like that for the pourpose of some kind of dongle protection or somethign LMAO

[19:00:58]

iamlindoro:

The wording/cluelessness of that statement is evidence that you have no idea what you are saying

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darkdrgn2k:

but anyway this is pointless :)

[19:01:33]

iamlindoro:

and someone with no concept of how USB works is not the prime candidate to get diagnostic information

[19:01:41]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: ok.... so your saying that if i where to write my own driver, that access teh usb bus on a hardware level... replacing the existing USB driver that comes with windoiws, usb snoop could read it right?

[19:01:48]

iamlindoro:

but hey, it's the weekend, who am I to tell you how to waste your time

[19:03:09]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, A device has its own drivers, not drivers for the USB bus itself, and USB snooping has NO notion of the device hooked to the serial bus. If there is communication on the USB bus and the USB driver works with windows, it can and will be sniffable.

[19:04:07]

iamlindoro:

This is the *reason* that any device is snoopable-- the devices exist on a layer ABOVE the core, entirely unencrypted serial bus.

[19:04:10]

darkdrgn2k:

All im saying is there ARE ways that you can access teh usb w/o usb snoop. Im not saying they are practical for any of our applications, but it IS posible. One way is by replacing the USB driver (not the device driver)

[19:04:23]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, you are absolutely lost

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iamlindoro:

good luck

[19:04:32]

darkdrgn2k:

How am i absolutly lost

[19:04:44]

darkdrgn2k:

your telling me if i where to desgin a compeltely new USB driver...

[19:04:45]

iamlindoro:

This is like arguing with a five year old, and I won't waste my time

[19:05:02]

darkdrgn2k:

umm.... just FYI, im not an idiot...

[19:05:07]

iamlindoro:

could have fooled me

[19:05:13]

darkdrgn2k:

i might not know hardware.. but i finished school in programming :-P

[19:05:26]

iamlindoro:

Well the first part of that is definitively true

[19:05:49]

darkdrgn2k:

simple truth of life – anything made by man can be unmade

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darkdrgn2k:

if there was a REASON to avoid the USB driver in windows, some one would of found it..

[19:06:06]

darkdrgn2k:

True or False

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darkdrgn2k:

?

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darkdrgn2k:

IE: if microsoft decided that they would intercept mass storage calls and delete mp3 files that where not licensed.... some one would DEFINATLY find a way aruond that!

[19:07:42]

darkdrgn2k:

so now stop calling me a little kid, just becaseu its not PRACTICAL doesnt mean its IMPOSIBLE

[19:08:07]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, You are talking to yourself-- I'm not wasting any more of my time trying to teach you basics, as all you will do is argument... this may not be your fault, as your knowledge level is simply too low to get it.

[19:08:13]

iamlindoro:

er argue

[19:08:25]

iamlindoro:

so whatever makes sense to you, you go with that

[19:08:31]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: sory, dont mean to arue iether

[19:08:42]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: this was a pointless debate.. sorry i let it continue.

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** darkdrgn2k feels bad **

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darkdrgn2k:

...i do appreciate all the help iamlindro.

[19:09:56]

darkdrgn2k:

sory i wasted your time

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darkdrgn2k:

what table are tv listings kept in?

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iamlindoro:

program

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darkdrgn2k:

thanx

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darkdrgn2k:

is it bad that i preffer to edit my channel linieup visibility in sql LOL

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iamlindoro:

It implies that you are someone who would rather muck around with it the hard way than the way that is known to be non destructive and work, so yes, it could be bad.

[19:16:44]

darkdrgn2k:

but its so much easeir to run a few sql query to set visibility flag then click.. click click LOL

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darkdrgn2k:

but i guess your right.. bypassing all the buisness logic aint a good thing..

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Kazan:

wee it's FUN time

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Kazan:

and time to harm my WAF probablyu

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Kazan:

FC7 to FC9 migration

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iamlindoro:

There's an easy way and a hard way to do that

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Kazan:

heh

[19:20:27]

iamlindoro:

But it's #mythtv-users so most people do things the hard way

[19:20:28]

Kazan:

i'm hoping to be able to use the upgrade install mechanism

[19:20:31]

Kazan:

but i doubt it will work

[19:20:50]

Kazan:

i've backed up my /root /home/mythtv /etc/lirc.d /etc/udev/rules.d (custom ones only) and my /var/www :P

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iamlindoro:

I would suggest backing up the DB, doing a fresh install of Mythdora over top of the existing install, and restoring the DB

[19:21:08]

Kazan:

oh also have that backed up

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darkdrgn2k:

i once upgraded mandriva by changint the repos to the newer release and calling update :-D that was fun :-P

[19:21:24]

** Kazan doesn't use mythdora **

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laga:

darkdrgn2k: people do that with debian all the time ;)

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Kazan:

i use stock FC and build my own mythtv binaries

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darkdrgn2k:

laga: yes .. but this was RPMS!!!!

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darkdrgn2k:

Kazan: ditto

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iamlindoro:

enter "the hard way"

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: hey,, it was fun to watch it burn.. suprisingly it didnt :(

[19:21:59]

Kazan:

doing same thing now i had to do when i did FC5 to FC7

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iamlindoro:

People who do things the hard way don't get to complain about WAF ;)

[19:22:31]

darkdrgn2k:

LOL

[19:22:44]

darkdrgn2k:

is there a point using mythdora over fedora?

[19:22:53]

sid3windr:

it's got myth in the name

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sid3windr:

!

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Kazan:

crapola.. i don't remember my drive mapping

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Kazan:

grr

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darkdrgn2k:

any good reason to script my myth fedora box and put on mythdora LOL

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Kazan:

yay for having a gparted livecd :D

[19:24:33]

Kazan:

can check my drive mappings

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iamlindoro:

what fun would myth be if things "just worked?"

[19:25:29]

nordle:

mythfrontend --reset (or -r) are not working anymore for me. I'm trying a new modeiline and myth gui is massive, I cant see 50% of it.

[19:25:33]

Kazan:

heh

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darkdrgn2k:

wow.. HD content on an SD tv actualy looks pritty good!

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nordle:

few, the -geometry switch works.

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Kazan:

i hate how both SATA and PATA drives are now /dev/sd* instead of /dev/sd* and /dev/hd*

[19:33:23]

sid3windr:

why?

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm.. how does the table "program" link against channels. i see it link against the source (listingsource)

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Kazan:

wee almost forgot to lvm export :D

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Kazan:

programs occur on channels

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Kazan:

program foo is on channel bar at time bat

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Kazan:

sid3windr: why i hate that it's all the same thing? it can be a serious PITA when you have both types in a system

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sid3windr:

Kazan: why?

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Kazan:

like one of my machines i had just a 250GB sata drive in it – NTFS partition, bootable Vista 64

[19:43:53]

Kazan:

added two 80GB IDE drives

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Kazan:

used half of one to create linux partitions

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Kazan:

bios still set to boot off the 250GB SATA

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Kazan:

when i installed linux it was /dev/sda = IDE0, /dev/sdb = IDE1, /dev/sdc = IDE2

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Kazan:

erg s/IDE2/SATA0

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Kazan:

grub didn't install right the first time and left the system unbootable.. was able to repair it

[19:45:04]

Kazan:

but it was a PITA

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

e viva by-uuid ;)

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Kazan:

nice

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Kazan:

it looks like upgrade install is working

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nordle:

mythtv recommends 100DPI, does anyone else run anything different?

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ajh_:

The actual DPI of your display is always good.

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nordle:

If watching a single livetv channel, and nothing else, how many mythfrontend processes should be running?

[20:11:52]

Dagmar:

However many you started.

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nordle:

Dagmar: I thought I only stared one, but have 3.

[20:13:53]

iamlindoro:

are you using some bizarre mode of top, or have you run ps aux |grep mythfrontend?

[20:15:33]

nordle:

htop

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iamlindoro:

run ps

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iamlindoro:

ps aux |grep mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

how many there?

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nordle:

only 1

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iamlindoro:

Then you only have one running.

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iamlindoro:

You are looking at some htop mode that shows threads and not processes

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darkdrgn2k:

were can i find a copy of the FLA "MFPlayer.swf"

[20:17:23]

nordle:

ahh, ok, thanks for the correction, had me a little confused.

[20:19:11]

iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, in the Myth code

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iamlindoro:

specifically mythplugins/mythweb/modules/tv/MFPlayer.swf

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darkdrgn2k:

dam.... its doen in flex2:( no wii support **sniff**

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darkdrgn2k:

probably should of metn source code :-P

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Dagmar:

The Wii flash player is pretty dodgy on the best of days man

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Dagmar:

Youo can just freaking give up trying to get video through that

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: but it will let me stream a copy of a show to my gf's house :-P

[20:20:41]

Dagmar:

So you can have it crash.

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Dagmar:

Great plan.

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iamlindoro:

320x240... blech

[20:21:01]

Dagmar:

She won't be impressed when you can't watch a 30 minute sitcom without it falling over.

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Dagmar:

Buy an 8Gb thumbdrive.

[20:21:18]

laga:

hrm

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laga:

sounds like bad sex.

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Dagmar:

Or, actually, a 4Gb SDCard, considering that's a Wii

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darkdrgn2k:

i wonder how they do the Express Vu Condo...

[20:21:40]

iamlindoro:

laga, it's all the red meat we eat

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darkdrgn2k:

dagar: yeh 4gb card in mjpeg.. no thanx.

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iamlindoro:

If you're still using a tuner card that requires you to use RTJPeg, then you have bigger problems than streaming with MythWeb

[20:22:32]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Then you've lost your damn mind

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: nop mpeg

[20:22:51]

Dagmar:

What you get through Flash is much worse.

[20:22:57]

darkdrgn2k:

dagar: yep... but one day when i come back with a wii front end you'll tank me LMAO

[20:23:01]

iamlindoro:

"<darkdrgn2k> dagar: yeh 4gb card in mjpeg.. no thanx."

[20:23:10]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: No, I won't because it won't happen.

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iamlindoro:

watch those typos

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iamlindoro:

ugh, god save us from wii frontends

[20:23:27]

darkdrgn2k:

LMAO

[20:23:32]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Let me make something clear to you that you parhaps have not taken into account

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iamlindoro:

not every crap piece of electronics with a net connection needs to run myth

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** darkdrgn2k listens **

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: This is the Internet. It's a MUCH larger system than you've really considered.

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laga:

iamlindoro: although it'd be awesome

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Protocol names (peer-to-peer) aside, many of the people you will encounter on the internet are NOT your peers.

[20:24:24]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: They are, in fact, VASTLY SUPERIOR AND WISER THAN YOU.

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iamlindoro:

laga, Ewww, no wii frontend for me, thanks

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: yep, i know... if you though of it, its been done OR theres a reason why it HASNT been done :-P

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iamlindoro:

laga, Now, PS3 frontend, taking advantage of hardware offload? Sign me up!

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darkdrgn2k:

isnt the ps3's video card locked?

[20:25:33]

darkdrgn2k:

or was that the 360... i donno...

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: In specific, there will be no Wii frontend for two very particular reasons... 2) Opera's Flash support is still dodgy as hell and will likely remain so indefinitely, and 2) there is no such thing as "free" and "third-party" apps for Nintendo.

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Dagmar:

Man this cold medicine is messing with my ability to do enums

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iamlindoro:

laga, Wii *does* make a fun little system for ScummVM though

[20:26:29]

laga:

i only own a ps2. which was a mistake to buy. bought it last year.

[20:26:41]

Dagmar:

laga: At least youd didn't pay much for it

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darkdrgn2k:

well ok, here is a question then... what should one put his resources in to help the myh community.

[20:26:53]

Dagmar:

laga: Hell, there's still more cool stuff for the PS2 than there is for the PS3.

[20:27:20]

iamlindoro:

What one should concentrate on is dependent entirely on one's skills

[20:27:55]

darkdrgn2k:

*sigh* guess i better leanr QT and see what i can contribute to the front end then...

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iamlindoro:

Good at heuristics? Make Mythcommflag learn instead of relying on existing commflagging methods. Know CUDA? Write h.264 hardware offload (or better yet, contribute to one of the existing projects to do so)

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Don't get disappointed or freaked out if after a week, things still just barely make any sense to you.

[20:28:24]

laga:

or re-write the settings portion

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darkdrgn2k:

dagar: yeh i know.. i guess thats why i been posponing it..

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darkdrgn2k:

i really wanted to get a multi room audio system going...using multiple sound cards.... but i donno

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darkdrgn2k:

anyway im off to waist some time

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darkdrgn2k:

thanx for the heads up guys..

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|chiz|:

what is the best way to organize seasons of tv shows that I have in mythtv?

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jerky_2:

i just have separate directories for each season

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directhex:

badly. mythvideo is a shitty pile of smell when it comes to seasons

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|chiz|:

yeah I noticed that about mythvideo

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|chiz|:

the separate directories is good but it is just kind of ugly

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GreyFoxx:

how is it ugly ?

[21:04:16]

iamlindoro:

Seagate drives go clickclickclick

[21:04:18]

GreyFoxx:

tv/show/season#/episode makes sense to me

[21:05:36]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I do the same

[21:05:54]

iamlindoro:

With a sprinkling of my happy happy metainfo script for completeness :)

[21:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

I've yet to actually try that

[21:06:26]

GreyFoxx:

I do want to start filling in data for some of them

[21:06:46]

iamlindoro:

It works pretty well if you can accept about 2–5% of results getting a little screwy and having to fix those few

[21:07:02]

GreyFoxx:

one thing I wold like is that in the gallery f you are in a dir with a coverfile that the cover is used as a cover for all videos within if there is no coverdefined for that file

[21:07:39]

GreyFoxx:

but that's pretty low on my list

[21:08:07]

iamlindoro:

Like ending up called "Battlestar Galactica sE" instead of Battlestar galactica 1x03 – Blah blah... but I am probably overestimating when I say 2–5%... I think I had three episodes needing a quick fix, out of several hundred

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** iamlindoro is looking forward to the mythvideo merge-- the ability to get screenshots at correct aspect ratios is enough for me :) **

[21:09:55]

GreyFoxx:

I tend to use showtitle.sXXeYY.avi

[21:10:08]

GreyFoxx:

for easy parsing :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, that would work OOTB with my scripts

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iamlindoro:

But the metainfo would be written as "Showtitle seasonXepisode – Episodetitle"

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wagnerrp:

i leave the series title out... seems redundant

[21:11:15]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/metainfo.png

[21:11:23]

iamlindoro:

Not bad for no user input whatsoever :)

[21:11:33]

GreyFoxx:

wag: I use it incase I caopy a show to another pc or my n810 etc for playback

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, The problem with leaving the show title out is in the video manager

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iamlindoro:

You get a billion 1x01s

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iamlindoro:

at least, as far as the metadata is concerned

[21:12:22]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, that does end up being a problem

[21:12:31]

GreyFoxx:

iaml: Is that blootube ?

[21:12:32]

wagnerrp:

but i never touch those, so it isnt much of a problem

[21:12:52]

wagnerrp:

when im scraping imdb for movies, i just work backward and avoid the numbered episodes

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GreyFoxx:

iam: What makes the screenshot?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yes, blootube-wide

[21:13:41]

wagnerrp:

is anyone working on updating the imdb scraper for TV series?

[21:14:03]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, and I can't recall the screenshot dealie, it's just a little toolbar widget

[21:14:20]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Maybe, but there's already an existing one for TVRage (which my scripts utilize)

[21:15:10]

iamlindoro:

And the plot info is quite good

[21:16:24]

wagnerrp:

ill have to look into that, maybe patch mythvideo to provide a menu of different scrapers rather than just using the default

[21:17:00]

iamlindoro:

Steve Adeff wrote the TV Rage script, but it is for adding shows into "Watch recordings" rather than working on existing stuff in mythvideo

[21:17:16]

iamlindoro:

So I keep a parallel modified version that can be run against an existing mythvideo file

[21:17:38]

iamlindoro:

and my scripts wrap that and automate it on all stuff in mythvideo, as well as generating screenshots and correct length info

[21:18:59]

iamlindoro:

So if you wrap one, you'll probably want it to be mine-- I just released new versions yesterday, check for my name on the users list

[21:19:12]

wagnerrp:

well ive got some semblance of a python script that does the latter part

[21:19:51]

wagnerrp:

its grabs codec version, length, and a slew of other data, and dumps it into a database file

[21:20:01]

wagnerrp:

for media management outside of mythtv

[21:20:08]

wagnerrp:

but i havent touched it in 2 years or so

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iamlindoro:

I believe Anduin very very recently committed changes to mythvideo to enable more modular script use, btw

[21:23:03]

wagnerrp:

so if i want to work on anything, i should grab a copy of trunk...

[21:23:49]

Kazan:

upgrade install finally almost done copying packages

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, What the heck is up with the guv'ment up there right now, anyway?

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|chiz|:

does anyone have a good way to grep for the file extension?

[21:35:21]

** Kazan wonders if anyone has managed to hack a tivo to use schedulesdirect **

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iamlindoro:

awk -F "." '{print $2}'

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|chiz|:

oh nice, I didn't think to use awk

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Dagmar:

*snker*

[21:37:23]

Dagmar:

That's still a bad way to do it

[21:37:45]

|chiz|:

yeah

[21:37:49]

Dagmar:

find . -name "*.ext"

[21:38:04]

Dagmar:

...although -iname may be slightly more useful

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iamlindoro:

Based on the question, he seemed to want to parse some output

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|chiz|:

I have a string and I just need the last column of the awk thing

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Dagmar:

egrep ".ext$"

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Dagmar:

Bind the match to the end of the line with $.

[21:39:49]

Dagmar:

awk -F. is going to catch things like foo.tgz.gif when looking for tgz

[21:41:13]

Dagmar:

...and would fail on any filename with more than one dot in it.

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Dagmar:

That being the serious ouchie

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iamlindoro:

would help a lot more if we knew what the specific desire was

[21:41:51]

Dagmar:

Yep

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laga:

hum

[21:42:25]

laga:

*testing* patches is no fun

[21:42:58]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: So, would it be wrong to just set up a bot to check indymedia's site every ten minutes and automatically repost my assessment of their ignorance when they delete it?

[21:43:29]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar, Aw, they're all hippies anyway, they're all about free speech ;)

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iamlindoro:

Enforce that free speech :)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Considering there's evidence they're deleteing my criticisms of the criteria by which they determined a couple of guys to be "provocateurs" last week, no they're clearly not all that for free speech when it makes them look bad

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laga:

hum? indymedia?

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Dagmar:

laga: It's sort of like open-source news, but with more cliquishness and the trolling right on the top

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laga:

ah

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Gimpy:

hi all, i got a question on setting expire days on mysql logs. If i set the expire days to 7 will it delete the recored show entry after 7 days? and I won't be able to access that recording though mythtv? , I would like to set it up ea ware the recording are deleted as space on the hardrive is needed by age, so should i just skip setting expire date of mysql logs?

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Dagmar:

I r not always a nice man: http://twincities.indymedia.org/2008/sep/statement-media

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|chiz|:

i'm using perl so split is probably the best

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Dagmar:

Gimpy: Try one question at a time because logs have nothing to do with recordings

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|chiz|:

and then just grab the last entry

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Dagmar:

|chiz|: Actually unless you're that desperate for a list, it's not

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Dagmar:

if (/\.ext$/i) {}

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Dagmar:

er... wait no

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Gimpy:

dagmar, since logs have nothing to do with recardings then what is point of setting a log exp. date?

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Dagmar:

if (/\.(ext)$/i) { this is better }

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Dagmar:

Gimpy: So you don't have logs eating up all your disk space.

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|chiz|:

yeah but then I have to make a case for each file type

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Dagmar:

|chiz|: A regexp match in an if statement will load $1 with the bit that's in parens inside

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Dagmar:

No, you don't.

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iamlindoro:

Gimpy, All you need to understand what good they are is to see the profound FAIL that happens when MySQL logs fill your disk

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Andrew_Barber:

i was looking to buy another pvr-150, but it seems they're out of stock everywhere

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Andrew_Barber:

can anyone recommend the next best option?

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|chiz|:

oh... cool, I'll give it a go, thanks

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iamlindoro:

The HVR-1600

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Gimpy:

iamlindoro, all the logs are for are FAILS?

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Dagmar:

|chiz|: You really need to bone up on regexps is my guess. /\.([^\.]+)$/ or /\.([^\.]{0,3})$/ will probably do what you want, and put the file extention into it's own variable.

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iamlindoro:

Gimpy, no. Logs are logs of all sorts of things. But unless you set them to expire, they will happily fill your disk and cause Mysql and myth to break in fun and interesting ways

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Dagmar:

split() is slow

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Dagmar:

Andrew_Barber: eBay stores never run out of anything

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laga:

Dagmar: your regex fu is scary.

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Dagmar:

It's *not* actually that damn great

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Gimpy:

iamlindoro, the how to dac i'm reading says set log expire = 7 days, my questinn then is that after 7 days will all recordings older then 7 days be deleted from the db

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Dagmar:

I've no idea whatsoever how to specify that the same string be in more than one place for instance

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iamlindoro:

Gimpy, no, of course not

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laga:

Dagmar: yeah, well, i need to get a book to put together a simple regex and you just whip them out ;)

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iamlindoro:

Gimpy, Mysql logs and the DB are two entirely different things

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Dagmar:

logs != recordings, and recordings != logs

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Gimpy:

ok, that was my conern, i know how to make a log work the way i wmnt it to when I know the end result and able to test it out but don't want to have to do somethiny twice if i don't have to. thanks

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Dagmar:

laga: I'm also prone to stupid mistakes like {0,3} instead of {1,3} which makes more sense

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Dagmar:

Mm... delicious word salad

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Gimpy:

when i enter "expire_log_days =7" i ether get > (from within sql) or outside of sql as user , you can guess i get access denied to database 'expire_log_days=7

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iamlindoro:

probably because *that's not a MySQL statement*

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iamlindoro:

nor is it a command line command

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iamlindoro:

the log expiration goes in my.cnf

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Gimpy:

iamlindoro, i just read, open /etc/mysql/my.cnf :-), (it helps if you don't have e floating window obstructing the view

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GreyFoxx:

iamlin: What are you referringto (re the gov)

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GreyFoxx:

the DMCA type stuff ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, no, re: dissolution of parliament

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GreyFoxx:

It's how we keep the ruling parties in line :)

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GreyFoxx:

If you can't keep or confidence your out and a new election is called

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Dagmar:

I'd like to call a vote of no confidence on certain members of the executive branch, but it's not allowed

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GreyFoxx:

It's kinda of like that dmca like legislation they keep trying to get in

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GreyFoxx:

they have a huge fight to get t in

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GreyFoxx:

and it's gonna go down in flames just like every other time

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, well good that someone can defeat something like that... we sure can't

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Dagmar:

Becuse if you don't protect copyrights, the terrurists win!

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wagnerrp:

why fight it when lobbyists are paying you not to

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GreyFoxx:

iam: Yeah :)

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Kazan:

just when i think the install process has locked up

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Kazan:

it finally gets past the phase that should have happened much faster than it did

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Kazan:

and moves on

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Kazan:

sat for 30–40 minutes at a part that normally takes 1–2

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wagnerrp:

what install process?

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Kazan:

fedora 9 upgrade from fedora 7

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CyberKnet:

Anyone here use an nvidia 8200 chipset motherboard and use hdmi video out?

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet, an nvidia 8200 is no different from a linux perspective than any other nvidia board, and hdmi out is no different from DVI from a linux perspective. So better just to ask your question.

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iamlindoro:

where any other nvidia board == 5200 +

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wagnerrp:

such as.... has anyone successfully pumped audio out of an nvidia 8200?

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wagnerrp:

the 5200 is the latest card on the main driver (rather than legacy ones)?

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iamlindoro:

oldest, yeah

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: my apologies. I cannot get audio out working over HDMI .

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iamlindoro:

The answer to the HDMI audio question, btw, would be outside of very recent 177 series drivers and a very few of the 8600 and 8800 series boards, HDMI audio w/ nvidia is totally unsupported in linux w/ nv

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CyberKnet:

I am using the 177 driver

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iamlindoro:

but not supported hardware

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CyberKnet:

now when you say 8800 and 8600 boards, you are referring to discrete graphics cards?

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iamlindoro:

yes, I am.

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wagnerrp:

theres no such things as an onboard 8600/8800

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wagnerrp:

anyway, these cards that are supported are simply an SPDIF passthrough from your soundcard

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wagnerrp:

they do no processing, but just mux the signal in

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CyberKnet:

well, thanks for letting me borrow from your expertise.

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CyberKnet:

I appreciate it.

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wagnerrp:

as nice as only needing one wire would be, it just isnt yet there for linux

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wagnerrp:

maybe with ati claiming to open up their hardware, they may make it easy in the future

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CyberKnet:

It is very unfortunate... but I am sure it will correct in a year or so...

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iamlindoro:

You can do audio via HDMI w/ ATI and some Intel these days

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laga:

iamlindoro: with free drivers?

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iamlindoro:

laga, nope (well, not with ATI), fglrx only

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laga:

yuck

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laga:

;)

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wagnerrp:

ive not yet seen an intel with hdmi out

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wagnerrp:

nor have i really been looking either...

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CyberKnet:

I was really hoping that with the 177 drivers that audio over hdmi would be there for the 8200-based boards.

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Gimpy:

I have a hauppaug 150 MCE tuner card, i haven't been instructed in the mythtv readme to emerge a driver for it, but i am at mythtv-setup geometry 640x860 part, should i emerge a driver befare runnin mythtv setup? curious

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wagnerrp:

you can run mythtv-setup as long as the database is running

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wagnerrp:

however theres not a lot of point to doing so if your tuner card is not yet setup

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wagnerrp:

'emerge ivtv'

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Gimpy:

so i don't need to worry about the driver for my card? is the driver already part of the mythtv ebuild?

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CyberKnet:

bbl

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iamlindoro:

ivtv *is* the driver for your card

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abarber:

has anyone gotten the apple trailers plug in to work?

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iamlindoro:

you must have the ivtv installed and working properly before you can expect it to work iwth myth

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wagnerrp:

theres a whole page on the gentoo wiki explaining how to set up ivtv

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H3:

the apple trailers plugin works fine for me abarber

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wagnerrp:

abarber: yes, but ive not used it recently

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Gimpy:

when i go to emerge ivtv its trying to get the firmware but because it can't the emerge is aborting

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abarber:

are you guys streaming or downloading?

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H3:

streaming

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wagnerrp:

just streaming

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wagnerrp:

Gimpy: chances are you dont have your kernel set up properly

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wagnerrp:

try an 'emerge -v ivtv'

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wagnerrp:

or is it actually saying it cannot download the firmware?

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abarber:

H3, can you pastebin your grabber script?

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iamlindoro:

Mmmm, one must ask if the extra quadrillionth of a percent speed boost is worth it

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iamlindoro:

This is a tree falls in the woods thing

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp, i'li paste it it says its can't downloadt firmware 20070217.trar.gz. aborting

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iamlindoro:

if a n00b fails at installing gentoo, is it faster?

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Gimpy:

http://rafb.net/p/RzZLFV39.html

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i think gentoo should cost money, and include a license to the intel math kernel library

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directhex:

iamlindoro, if you aren't building it using tools that might make it *actually* faster, you're banned from using it

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iamlindoro:

directhex, seconded!

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H3:

abarber, oh sorry, I am using mythstream. my bad

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directhex:

iamlindoro, my most interesting propriatary compiler test was mono. i compiled the mono framework with ICC, then ran a mono benchmark, to see if the intel-compiled JITter was any different

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wagnerrp:

you can get the intel compilers for free. is the math library different?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it was 10–50% faster with the icc version, except one test where it was 10x slower

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directhex:

wagnerrp, do you have an income?

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wagnerrp:

not from anything i program at home, no

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directhex:

wagnerrp, read the license. it doesn't separate your home life

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directhex:

if you have an income, you're intelligible for the educational license

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directhex:

making it closer to £767.23 plsu vat

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wagnerrp:

Gimpy: seems ivtv changed the download link, braking the firmware download ebuild

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abarber:

H3.. ok I suspected that because I haven't heard anyone getting it o work

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wagnerrp:

go to the site its trying to download from, that directory is there, but the file has a different name

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wagnerrp:

just grab it, rename it properly (or improperly) and shove it in /usr/portage/distfiles

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wagnerrp:

the emerge should proceed fine until your next problem

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H3:

A couple weeks ago I started getting very poor picture quality out of both of my pvr-150's (lots of noise & lines in the picture). Does anyone have any tips on where to start looking? I can't think of anything I changed...

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wagnerrp:

you didnt add any TVs or anything? how many times is your cable line split?

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iamlindoro:

New glasses?

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H3:

it's split 3 times, but 1 just goes to the tv & doesn't get used

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H3:

the picture looks fine on the tv

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H3:

& no I didn't add any tvs or get new glasses =P

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wagnerrp:

so... 4 total outputs?

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H3:

3 total

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wagnerrp:

so you split twice

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H3:

it's a 3-way splitter with all ports filled

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wagnerrp:

anyway, thats not nearly enough to be causing problems

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wagnerrp:

unless a) the splitter is bad, or b) one of your neighbors is dicking with the signal

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H3:

it seems to me that the quality is OK on a few channels too

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H3:

but others are totally screwed

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H3:

almost unwatchable

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wagnerrp:

you have nothing else inbetween? like a VCR or something?

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H3:

no

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iamlindoro:

sounds like slightly wrong frequency table to me

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H3:

hmm, what would cause that?

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wagnerrp:

do the channels look fine through the TV?

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H3:

yes

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iamlindoro:

selecting the wrong frequency table would ;)

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Kazan:

upgrade installs = dependancy hell when you try to yum update

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Kazan:

it installed kde4 without removing kde 3.5

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Kazan:

among other things

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wagnerrp:

if the TV looks fine, then yes, its probably frequency tables

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H3:

ok, i'm checking them now

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H3:

it's set to us-cable, which is what i'm on

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H3:

what are hrc & irc?

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iamlindoro:

Harmonically related carriers and Incrementally related carriers

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iamlindoro:

slightly different frequency tables.

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H3:

how do you know when you should use those? just trial & error?

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H3:

I'm on comcast cable

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iamlindoro:

Both are extraordinarily rare

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H3:

i see

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iamlindoro:

but yes, you can try them

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iamlindoro:

I would try a rescan with normal us-cable first, though

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H3:

ok

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wagnerrp:

both tuners are bad? youve manually forced it to the second tuner to check?

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H3:

wagnerrp, yes, although they are bad in different ways- one looks out of focus & the other has a lot of lines running through the puicture & some extra noise

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wagnerrp:

out of focus being a blurred image? that could just be due to excessively low bitrate

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H3:

yes blurred image

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Gimpy:

wagenerrp, you got any idea's since they brobe the ebuild

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wagnerrp:

i explained how to get around it about 15 minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

Gimpy, pretty sure he already told you how to fix it

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Gimpy:

i scrolled up but must be to blind to see that one

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wagnerrp:

two lines after i told you it was broken

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** lyricnz has been offline since drupalcon, until yesterday :) **

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Gimpy:

wagnerp, i'm sure i can download the driver file but then how do i shuv it in – never had to force it

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wagnerrp:

'mv ivtv-firmware-20070217.tar.gz /usr/portage/distfiles/firmware-20070217.tar.gz'

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wagnerrp:

or, you could probably just change the download link inside the ebuild itself

[23:34:19]

Gimpy:

so save it to portage distfiles as the tar.gz the ebuild thinks

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

im surprised that hasnt been fixed yet

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wagnerrp:

seems theyve been named that for some time

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H3:

rescanning seems to have fixed one of them, but the second is noticably worse

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H3:

again, only on some channels

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H3:

maybe I just need a new splitter?

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wagnerrp:

remove the splitters and see if that helps

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H3:

k

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp, i don't see why ies not working i just see the same ver and url, here it is

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Gimpy:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org

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wagnerrp:

because they prepended 'ivtv-' to the name of the file to prevent conflicts with other packages that may have released firmwares on the same date

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Gimpy:

ok, i'm thinking now of trying change the link but what file , never done this before portage/?

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wagnerrp:

/usr/portage/media-tv/pvr-firmware/pvr-firmware-20070217.ebuild

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H3:

yeah, it's the splitter. thanks for the help =)

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp, i might need for you to post that path again im having wm issues and need to restart

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