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| [00:19:09] | ThatOtherGuy: | If one has a FX5200 video card, and is megasadpanda at the quality of the S-Video out, is it possible to get a VGA -> Component cable and run the TV off that? Specifically, I'm looking to output a hdtv resolution so I can maintain aspect ratio on my hdtv even when playing SD content through mythtv |
| [00:19:33] | ThatOtherGuy: | nvidia-settings doesn't seem to allow shit for resolution tweaks. |
| [00:21:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | tv has hdmi, component, s-video, and composite inputs >_< No DVI or VGA |
| [00:21:27] | troldrik: | Use a hdmi-dvi cable... |
| [00:21:39] | Agrajag-: | or get a tv with a vga input :) |
| [00:21:39] | ThatOtherGuy: | Fx5200 has 2x VGA and 1x S-Video |
| [00:21:41] | troldrik: | hdmi is dvi video + audio.. |
| [00:21:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | I don't have any dvi plugs :p |
| [00:21:58] | troldrik: | Get a video card with dvi. |
| [00:22:04] | ThatOtherGuy: | >_> |
| [00:22:13] | troldrik: | $20 used gf6200 or somethings. |
| [00:22:17] | Agrajag-: | i'm sure my fx5200 has dvi |
| [00:22:36] | ThatOtherGuy: | PNY AGP fx5200 256mb, mine doesn't |
| [00:23:13] | Dagmar: | Not all cards with the same chipset will have the same outputs |
| [00:23:26] | Dagmar: | It's up to the OEM (The people who make the board and put the chip on it) as to what outputs something gets |
| [00:23:54] | Dagmar: | *Most* 5200's will have at least VGA and S-Video |
| [00:24:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | the solutions are get a tv with vga, or card with dvi tho eh? |
| [00:24:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | bummer >_> |
| [00:24:26] | Dagmar: | You can get DVI to VGA converters. Not sure about the converse |
| [00:25:02] | ThatOtherGuy: | Don't think the reverse |
| [00:25:22] | Dagmar: | XFX was making one with all three outputs |
| [00:25:41] | abarber: | I tried to configure mythbrowser to use firefox. I put in the code /usr/bin/firefox . nothing is loading now..help? |
| [00:25:42] | Dagmar: | Getting a TV with VGA isn't that hard tho |
| [00:26:23] | Dagmar: | abarber: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firefox |
| [00:26:23] | ThatOtherGuy: | I inhereted a p4 3ghz 1gb RAM w/ fx5200 and 160gb drive, and had an old PVR-150 sitting around. Don't really want to spend actual, ya know, /money/ on it ^_^ |
| [00:26:49] | abarber: | Dagmar: ok yah trying that script now |
| [00:26:51] | Dagmar: | So then what inputs DOES your TV support? |
| [00:27:01] | ThatOtherGuy: | Everything but VGA/DVI |
| [00:27:09] | Dagmar: | So use the s-video output |
| [00:27:11] | ThatOtherGuy: | HDMI, component, composit, s-vid |
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| [00:28:17] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea, have been, but picture is balls-ass-ugly >_> Was trying to see if there was a really cheap(free!) way to get vga to one of those so I could actually configure the resolution in xorg.conf custom instead of having nvidia-settings yell at me every time I try to add a modeline |
| [00:28:38] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
| [00:28:56] | Dagmar: | Use 1024x768 and just let the nVidia driver do it's magic rescaling tricks |
| [00:29:11] | ThatOtherGuy: | magic refailing tricks more like X_X |
| [00:29:30] | Dagmar: | Hey, it worked fine for me for about a year |
| [00:29:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | maybe I'll just go dig around in some of my buddies parts bins for older dvi-out graphics cards :D |
| [00:29:46] | Dagmar: | The driver takes care of rescaling and interlacing issues on it's own |
| [00:31:19] | ThatOtherGuy: | My tv is an lcd rear projection, 1024x768 looks like raw, unmitigated ass |
| [00:31:27] | ThatOtherGuy: | magic scaling or not |
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| [00:31:52] | Dagmar: | So set a modeline that matches the native resolution of the displayu |
| [00:32:11] | Dagmar: | _correctly_ |
| [00:32:14] | abarber: | Dagmar: Thank you kind sir... any idea where the setting would be that could bring pop-up windows in front of myth instead of behind? |
| [00:32:27] | Dagmar: | abarber: That's called "using a window manager" |
| [00:32:28] | troldrik: | svideo will always look like arse. |
| [00:32:38] | Dagmar: | the moment you break out of the one window Myth normally displays, you need a window manager |
| [00:32:54] | Dagmar: | Firefox != Qt-based, so it's simply *not* going to embed for Qt |
| [00:32:54] | ThatOtherGuy: | Every time I add a modelide to the s-video section in xorg.confg, nvidia-settings resets /everything/ to defaul |
| [00:33:36] | abarber: | Dagmar: I thought linux had a window manager ?? Im confused |
| [00:33:50] | ThatOtherGuy: | What mythtv distro ya using abarber? |
| [00:33:51] | Dagmar: | abarber: This is why it's useful to actually learn some Linux. |
| [00:33:59] | abarber: | ThatOtherGuy: Mythbuntu |
| [00:34:14] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea, mythbuntu should come with xfce |
| [00:34:19] | Dagmar: | ThatOtherGuy: It might have something to do with the fact that you define Modelines in the _Monitor_ section. |
| [00:34:22] | abarber: | Dagmar: yes i know im tyring to learn |
| [00:35:03] | Dagmar: | abarber: Frankly it's easier to just let it keep using Konq |
| [00:35:09] | abarber: | ThatOtherGuy: Oh, I I changed it to use gnome |
| [00:35:12] | ThatOtherGuy: | Dagmar – Right, the monitor section associated with the tv 'monitor' as opposed to my LCD that I've been doing the config on =/ |
| [00:35:19] | Dagmar: | GNOME is a desktop environment |
| [00:35:27] | Dagmar: | Metacity is it's Window Manager. |
| [00:35:41] | clever: | gnome can also work with the compiz window manager |
| [00:35:46] | Dagmar: | See if there's something like Blackbox available for that distro. Blackbox is pathetically small and uncomplex to configure |
| [00:35:47] | abarber: | Dagmar: CanI use emerald? |
| [00:36:06] | clever: | abarber: you could use whatever you want, but it may not be seamless |
| [00:36:07] | abarber: | clever: I am using compiz |
| [00:36:12] | Dagmar: | abarber: If you'd like to take a dose of "Compiz and MythTV and OpenGL don't play well together" squarely in the eye, go right ahead |
| [00:36:25] | clever: | i dont use mythtv on gl |
| [00:36:32] | clever: | which leaves the gl wide open for compiz to use |
| [00:36:43] | ThatOtherGuy: | abarber – I don't know if there is a way to default the other windows to pop up in front of mythtv, but you can alt-tab |
| [00:37:02] | abarber: | ThatOtherGuy: Yes that is what I have been doing .. but thats not a solution... |
| [00:37:26] | ThatOtherGuy: | afaik there isn't a way to specify window priority like I think you're wanting to =/ |
| [00:37:55] | Dagmar: | Default for blackbox is that new windows take focus |
| [00:37:58] | Dagmar: | iirc |
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| [00:40:28] | netzapper: | hi guys! They sent me over here from the dev channel. Does the code for all of the commflagging heuristics live only in the mythcomflag program, or is it some of it found it other parts of the codebase? The architecture documentation, the source code docs, and the user config docs seem to contradict each other. |
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| [00:51:19] | iamlindoro: | netzapper, For someone who is concerned with where the code lives, you sure haven't looked at much of it. Yes, all the functionality for the commflagging itself lives in mythcommflag. That is *not* to say that it doesn't depend on stream parsing and opening from other components such as libavcodec |
| [00:51:45] | netzapper: | thanks |
| [00:52:26] | netzapper: | I really didn't figure a question with a one-bit answer required me to be conversant with the codebase... especially as I'm trying to figure out which part of the codebase to become conversant with. |
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| [01:00:58] | iamlindoro: | Booooooohooohooooooooo |
| [01:01:08] | iamlindoro: | Answer the question I want and be niiiiiiice to meeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| [01:35:40] | hadees: | can you use xscreensaver with mythtv? meaning can mythtv keep xscreensaver from starting up when watching a movie or something |
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| [01:52:14] | shiznix: | hadees: i thought it did that by default ... |
| [01:52:36] | hadees: | shiznix, does it? i didn't know, i'm trying it out now |
| [01:54:14] | shiznix: | fairly sure it does, i don't use xscreensaver, but it works for me by disabling DPMS screen blanking while in use |
| [01:55:43] | shiznix: | anyone experienced problems with remote playback hard freezing the playback machine ? |
| [01:56:01] | shiznix: | totally reproducible and happens within seconds for me :( |
| [01:56:26] | wagnerrp: | remote playback |
| [01:56:33] | wagnerrp: | playback on a secondary frontend? |
| [01:56:49] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:58:52] | wagnerrp: | you can play the files on the primary frontend? |
| [01:59:24] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: yes, no problems there |
| [01:59:51] | wagnerrp: | can you file the file directly through the filesystem with 'mythtv'? |
| [02:00:24] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv' is the internal player used by the frontend |
| [02:00:53] | shiznix: | i'm even able to play the files remotely on yet another frontend located on a diff. PC |
| [02:01:09] | wagnerrp: | right, im just wondering if mythtv got compiled wrong |
| [02:01:16] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using a binary distribution |
| [02:01:18] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: just by doing 'mythtv /path/to/file.mpg' ? |
| [02:01:24] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: compiled |
| [02:01:36] | wagnerrp: | dont know, never actually used it |
| [02:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but it should be something like that |
| [02:01:51] | shiznix: | ok, i'll try |
| [02:02:46] | GreyFoxx: | That will work |
| [02:04:31] | SHADOW__X1: | hello everyone |
| [02:05:09] | shiznix: | yes, that worked, but still the hard freezing problem shows :( |
| [02:05:27] | wagnerrp: | the whole system freezes? |
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| [02:05:46] | shiznix: | yes, requires a hard powerdown |
| [02:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like a video driver problem/hardware problenm |
| [02:06:48] | wagnerrp: | see if mplayer can play the files |
| [02:07:15] | shiznix: | though i can't reproduce the problem with any other player such as mplayer, ffplay or xine |
| [02:07:43] | wagnerrp: | so ffmpeg is good, id try recompiling mythtv |
| [02:08:05] | shiznix: | GreyFoxx: yeah, i'm thinking it maybe kernel related >:( |
| [02:08:09] | GreyFoxx: | shiz: That doesnt mean the video driver isn't at fault. It just means myth is exposing the problem:) |
| [02:08:15] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: i'll try ... |
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| [02:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | can you ssh into the box when it locks ? |
| [02:08:52] | GreyFoxx: | Can you still ping it ? |
| [02:08:59] | shiznix: | no, it's dead |
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| [02:25:23] | shiznix: | yay, it was the kernel – sorry for the false alarm |
| [02:25:34] | shiznix: | 'make oldconfig' doesn't work anymore and creates corrupt kernel config files with conflicting entries |
| [02:25:45] | shiznix: | just created a config from scratch and all is well again :D |
| [02:25:58] | wagnerrp: | i recently used make oldconfig successfully |
| [02:26:07] | wagnerrp: | .6.23 to .6.25 |
| [02:27:28] | shiznix: | wagnerrp: the tip-off was the message "25 Subsection mismatches detected" when compiling the kernel using the config created by 'make oldconfig' |
| [02:28:50] | shiznix: | only a guess, but maybe to do with the kernel being in such a radically changing state from version to version with regards to menu layout + dep re-location |
| [02:30:54] | Dagmar: | You *generally* wanna pop a new kernel with `make mrproper` out of general principle before you do an oldconfig |
| [02:31:22] | Dagmar: | I've used oldconfig for every recompile since early 2.4 kernels |
| [02:32:42] | shiznix: | Dagmar: same, this is the first time it's ever failed me :| |
| [02:33:02] | Dagmar: | THat's pretty weird |
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| [02:37:42] | shiznix: | sure is, which kinda has me thinking that i probably stuffed something on the upgrade |
| [02:38:12] | shiznix: | *shrugs* works now and i have a shiny new kernel :) |
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| [02:42:13] | Dagmar: | THey're always adding stuff to v4l and the crypto API so I almost always go into menuconfig after slurping up the old one |
| [02:42:33] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [02:54:31] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, You're right, that NIC *is* a beatch... proprietary driver seems ok and stable, though |
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| [02:56:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand my admin at work |
| [02:56:23] | wagnerrp: | intel NICs give him nothing but trouble, but he swears by realtek |
| [03:01:58] | wagnerrp: | and now my desktop is back to crashing again... |
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| [03:28:55] | jpabq1: | iamlindoro, what kernel are you running? Was the Realtek driver difficult to merge? |
| [03:30:35] | iamlindoro: | jpabq1, 2.6.24, but I spoke too soon-- It's not working as I thought it was-- will throw some more effort at it tomorrow and otherwise will wait for that situation to improve... everything else seems more or less good, though |
| [03:32:37] | iamlindoro: | Not bad all things considered for a total rebuild in an afternoon after work |
| [03:34:32] | wagnerrp: | gah |
| [03:34:49] | wagnerrp: | im trying to download driver updates and my internet is horribly slow |
| [03:35:12] | wagnerrp: | seems steam decided it was high time to download updates too, and was consuming 3/4 of my bandwidth |
| [03:36:45] | iamlindoro: | laga, is the mythbuntu trunk build repos currently just pushing -fixes builds? |
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| [03:38:32] | roothorick: | can recordings be watched through mythweb or is an external facility required? |
| [03:39:41] | Dagmar: | They can be. There's a flash and an asx mechanism in place for it, but you have to enable it in mythweb's settings |
| [03:40:02] | Dagmar: | NOte: Neither are easily seekable because of the way those work |
| [03:40:31] | wagnerrp: | i just have the recordings directory mounted, and view the files directly |
| [03:40:49] | Dagmar: | Yeah I've been doing that for awhile now |
| [03:40:58] | jblack: | Are you using that fuse mount that titles the files? |
| [03:42:20] | wagnerrp: | nope, i just know when and where the files i want to watch were recorded |
| [03:42:50] | wagnerrp: | the tuner, channel, date, and time are all in the filename |
| [03:43:12] | roothorick: | I've been struggling to find an appropriate distributed filesystem to use... |
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| [03:43:38] | wagnerrp: | what do you need a distributed file system for? |
| [03:43:51] | roothorick: | first of all, the backend and frontend are separate machines |
| [03:44:09] | roothorick: | secondly, I want other machines to be able to read the recordings |
| [03:44:19] | roothorick: | also, there are reasons outside Myth that I want it for |
| [03:44:28] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend does not need file system access to the files |
| [03:44:34] | roothorick: | oh? |
| [03:44:41] | wagnerrp: | it will push through the backend if need be |
| [03:45:04] | purserj: | wagnerrp: for recordings yes, but not videos/music |
| [03:45:27] | wagnerrp: | correct, your music and videos are not just stored on one machine? |
| [03:45:37] | roothorick: | they are — the backend. |
| [03:45:53] | purserj: | roothorick: best to use nfs then |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | so why would you need a distributed file system, when a network one will suffice |
| [03:46:09] | roothorick: | NFS3 is too insecure, and NFS4 is sorely lacking in support on other OSes |
| [03:46:17] | purserj: | insecure? |
| [03:46:28] | roothorick: | purserj: no real authentication? |
| [03:46:33] | wagnerrp: | so youre not looking for a distributed file system |
| [03:46:38] | wagnerrp: | just a network file system |
| [03:46:40] | roothorick: | *sigh* |
| [03:46:44] | purserj: | roothorick: okay, try sshfs then |
| [03:46:50] | roothorick: | if you're really picky about the words used, yes. |
| [03:47:04] | wagnerrp: | well they mean two completely different things |
| [03:47:12] | roothorick: | oh really? I wasn't aware. |
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| [03:47:41] | wagnerrp: | DFS implies that youre sharing drives on multiple different machines to make one virtual file system |
| [03:47:42] | roothorick: | purserj: Windows support...? |
| [03:47:52] | purserj: | roothorick: samba then |
| [03:48:03] | wagnerrp: | NFS just means youre mounting a remote file system onto your local one |
| [03:48:05] | roothorick: | wagnerrp: well excuse me for taking Wikipedia at face value |
| [03:48:41] | roothorick: | purserj: that's what I'm about to start playing with. |
| [03:48:44] | Dagmar: | Wikipedia says this where? |
| [03:48:59] | roothorick: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_sys . . . file_systems |
| [03:49:57] | Dagmar: | "Distributed file systems are also called network file systems. Many implementations have been made, they are location dependent and they have access control lists (ACLs), unless otherwise stated below" |
| [03:49:58] | purserj: | shock, wikipedia is Wrong |
| [03:50:53] | wagnerrp: | thats right |
| [03:51:04] | wagnerrp: | all distributed file systems are network file systems |
| [03:51:14] | Dagmar: | Exactly |
| [03:51:16] | wagnerrp: | most network file systems are not distributed file systems |
| [03:51:32] | roothorick: | it goes on to list UNIX NFS under the distributed file systems header |
| [03:52:47] | wagnerrp: | indeed it does... |
| [03:53:01] | wagnerrp: | i suppose my definition of distributed file systems implies parallel as well |
| [03:53:02] | Dagmar: | By their definition, what they say is correct |
| [03:53:25] | wagnerrp: | if its not parallel, its not distributed |
| [03:53:43] | Dagmar: | The files are distributed across the network |
| [03:54:00] | Dagmar: | Note that it's _not_ in any of the sections about fault-tolerat filesystems |
| [03:54:16] | wagnerrp: | theyre shared across the network |
| [03:54:22] | Dagmar: | SMB and AFS are also in there |
| [03:54:22] | wagnerrp: | the load is not distributed |
| [03:54:36] | Dagmar: | It doesn't say anything about that being a requirement ' |
| [03:54:43] | wagnerrp: | now i thought AFS was parallel |
| [03:55:45] | wagnerrp: | anyway, back to the original discussion |
| [03:55:48] | Dagmar: | I suspect you're getting tangled up thinking that it matters where the files are |
| [03:55:51] | wagnerrp: | why is NFS3 too insecure? |
| [03:56:03] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Poor auth |
| [03:56:15] | wagnerrp: | the frontends really have no need for write or root access |
| [03:56:21] | wagnerrp: | just make everything read-only |
| [03:57:01] | Dagmar: | Their critera for "distribute" basically amounts to "made available to multiple machines on the network if it were a local file" |
| [03:57:02] | wagnerrp: | thats not entirely true, the frontend needs to pull images off imdb for mythvideo |
| [03:57:52] | Dagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_file_system |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | but to be honest, its better to do that somewhere that youhave a mouse and keyboard, rather than one of the frontends |
| [03:58:07] | Dagmar: | "In computing, a distributed file system is a network file system where a single file system can be distributed across several physical computer nodes. Separate nodes have direct access to only a part of the entire file system, in contrast to shared disk file systems where all nodes have uniform direct access to the entire storage." |
| [03:59:23] | Dagmar: | They define it pretty carefully there |
| [04:00:39] | Dagmar: | If you'd like a parallel, ask yourself where the redundancy in RAID 0 is. |
| [04:01:01] | Dagmar: | These words, I do not theenk they mean whan you theenk they mean. |
| [04:02:15] | wagnerrp: | by that definition, DFS requires that the files are stored across multiple machines, not something NFS does natively |
| [04:02:35] | wagnerrp: | although you can cludge it by having everything mount everything else in mesh fashion |
| [04:03:01] | wagnerrp: | but even then, everything is still in separate directories |
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| [04:26:05] | ThatOtherGuy: | Hmm. There any decent, reasonably priced, PCI tuners with hardware encoders? Don't give a rats ass re: HD |
| [04:26:24] | wagnerrp: | any of the PVR family are decent |
| [04:26:36] | wagnerrp: | if you can still find them |
| [04:26:47] | wagnerrp: | they are growing scarce due to the digital shift |
| [04:26:55] | ThatOtherGuy: | Bleh. |
| [04:27:01] | ThatOtherGuy: | Got a PVR-150 on RMA atm >_> |
| [04:27:32] | wagnerrp: | well the IVTV family are the only mpeg encoders that mythtv currently supports |
| [04:28:06] | wagnerrp: | so any cards you see on there should work fine |
| [04:28:13] | ThatOtherGuy: | mkays |
| [04:28:13] | ThatOtherGuy: | ty |
| [04:29:28] | wagnerrp: | what went wrong with your hauppauge? |
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| [04:29:59] | ThatOtherGuy: | After a random period of watching a signal, it would get really laggy/chunky then start scrolling static like it was badly tuned |
| [04:30:28] | ThatOtherGuy: | 3 different computers, across XP, Vista Ultimate, MythTV (Knoppmyth, Mythbuntu, and Mythdora) |
| [04:31:30] | ThatOtherGuy: | Do any of the PVR series have dual tuners? |
| [04:31:39] | wagnerrp: | 500 |
| [04:32:28] | ThatOtherGuy: | Woof. Not even any (really) available on ebay >_< |
| [04:32:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | well, some, but none BIN |
| [04:33:15] | wagnerrp: | well as i said... scarce |
| [04:33:26] | ThatOtherGuy: | Quite a few 150s available |
| [04:34:08] | wagnerrp: | well if youve got a pcie slot available, the 2250 is a dual tuner card |
| [04:34:38] | ThatOtherGuy: | That box is AGP/PCI |
| [04:34:45] | wagnerrp: | but i have no idea of the level of support of that card |
| [04:34:48] | ThatOtherGuy: | rescued it from the recycler |
| [04:35:23] | wagnerrp: | google products picks up a couple retailers with the 500 |
| [04:35:28] | ThatOtherGuy: | I suppose I shouldn't bother with dual tuner anyways though, since cable companies are nazis about their encryption =/ Gota have a STB for damn near everything |
| [04:35:50] | wagnerrp: | analog tuners/capture-cards have no problem with encryption |
| [04:36:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | up through 125, anyways |
| [04:36:26] | wagnerrp: | up through analog, anyways |
| [04:36:30] | ThatOtherGuy: | Most of the watching my family does is over ^_^ |
| [04:36:38] | wagnerrp: | you can record anything analog |
| [04:36:47] | ThatOtherGuy: | yea |
| [04:36:53] | wagnerrp: | of course theres not much purpose to recording scrambled channels |
| [04:36:54] | ThatOtherGuy: | but see above re: not analog =/ |
| [04:37:11] | wagnerrp: | so grab a pair of STBs and use the video inputs on the card |
| [04:37:29] | ThatOtherGuy: | Got one stb, too cheap to pay for another. |
| [04:37:37] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [04:37:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | I just like ogling technology that I shouldn't pay for |
| [04:37:52] | wagnerrp: | use one input for analog, the other for the STB |
| [04:38:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea |
| [04:39:22] | ThatOtherGuy: | maybe I'll snag a cheap pvr-150 MCE. I have the annoying non-MCE one with the ir receiver/blaster that never /ever/ _ever_ cooperate in lirc |
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| [04:52:13] | orkid: | hi. i'm running fe/be on a single comp, and i get "connection timed out" you should modify the master server settings in the setup program. |
| [04:52:20] | orkid: | so i tried.. setting them back to 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:52:21] | orkid: | still doesn't work |
| [04:53:06] | orkid: | and there is nothing running on port 6543.. ie. it's closed |
| [04:56:17] | ThatOtherGuy: | What distro? Running firewall/selinux? |
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| [04:57:48] | orkid: | ubuntu' 8/10 |
| [04:57:51] | orkid: | mythbuntu |
| [04:58:12] | orkid: | it worked before.. kinda started doing it today |
| [04:58:35] | orkid: | the backend log does not show anything abnormal. |
| [04:59:10] | orkid: | it ends with 'starting up as master server' |
| [04:59:24] | ThatOtherGuy: | hrm, beyond my depth =/ |
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| [04:59:53] | daMaestro: | gah, anyone have a fix for mythweb randomly saying "An unknown module was specified" |
| [05:00:02] | daMaestro: | and then apache has to be restarted before it works anymore |
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| [06:10:34] | fryfrog: | does anyone recall where the /dev/dvd device is in myth setup? |
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| [06:15:44] | wagnerrp_: | probably under mythvideo (since thats what uses the dvd) |
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| [07:11:46] | roothorick: | is it possible to run X in 480i so I don't have to bother with deinterlacing? |
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| [07:36:23] | justinh: | roothorick: even if it were, there's no way to guarantee any video player would start playing video on the correct field since most VGA hardware doesn't have any way to tell software which field it's outputting |
| [07:37:55] | justinh: | so you have a 50–50 chance of fields being output in the wrong order, which looks worse than not deinterlacing |
| [07:43:56] | justinh: | modern VGA hardware simply lacks an odd/even field register. apparently some matrox VGA gear has or had such stuff but getting those working in linux limited you to just a framebuffer output & all the 'fun' that entails – it's worth mentioning that those devices only ever had VGA output anyway & even then, getting mythtv working in a framebuffer is pretty much impossible right now – not that it was ever easy |
| [07:44:33] | roothorick: | ah. It was worth a shot :/ |
| [07:45:17] | justinh: | it'd be nice if GPU designers could spare just one bit ;) |
| [07:45:21] | roothorick: | and with the onslaught of HDTV, it's going to be a moot point anyway |
| [07:45:39] | justinh: | it's not really – interlacing will be around for quite some time yet |
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| [07:46:40] | justinh: | IIRC movies will be shown in 720p in general while sport etc will be shown interlaced. as for 1080p... it'll be a while before that's actually broadcast |
| [07:46:42] | roothorick: | in broadcasts maybe, but I don't see any HD sets on the shelf at Wal-Mart that can natively display an interlaced signal |
| [07:46:57] | justinh: | by definition any flat planel is a progressive device |
| [07:47:33] | roothorick: | even the CRTs I've seen deinterlace before displaying |
| [07:47:41] | justinh: | 100Hz TVs :( |
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| [07:47:49] | roothorick: | why, I don't know, maybe it's just easier to make them that way |
| [07:47:54] | justinh: | s/deinterlace/deinterlace BADLY |
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| [07:48:05] | roothorick: | there's that too |
| [07:48:27] | justinh: | see, this is one of the biggest differences between your cheap-ass sets Walmart sell & really good sets ;) |
| [07:48:38] | justinh: | the picture processing engine inside :) |
| [07:48:50] | roothorick: | chances are, with any set capable of anything more than 480p, if you feed it an interlaced signal, it'll probably try to deinterlace it on its own, and in 90% of cases the PC can do better with little CPU overhead |
| [07:48:57] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:49:33] | justinh: | even before we got the new deinterlacers in mythtv, software was better than the majority of affordable tv scaling/deinterlacing engines |
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| [07:50:24] | justinh: | if picture processing in most HDTVs was any good there would't be as much of a market for all those $2000 scalers ;) |
| [07:50:53] | justinh: | the rule of thumb is pretty much as it ever was. run X at the native res of the display & let the software do everything |
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| [07:51:03] | roothorick: | the sad part is, a $1000 computer can do better, with a few ms more latency |
| [07:51:09] | roothorick: | actually, not even |
| [07:51:55] | roothorick: | well now... 480-line interlaced analog doesn't directly translate into any digital resolution |
| [07:52:22] | justinh: | and of course any limitations a computer has now can be worked out eventually too |
| [07:52:28] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:52:51] | justinh: | heck, even broadcast HD resolution doesn't match up to some panels' native resolutions |
| [07:53:02] | roothorick: | s/some/most/ |
| [07:53:58] | roothorick: | every retailer in this area, 95–100% of their LCD and plasma TVs have a resolution of either 1024x768 anamorphic, 1366x768 (or 1367x768), or 1920x1080 |
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| [07:54:19] | justinh: | yeah – those wide screens with the non-wide native resolution. AVOID :D |
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| [07:54:36] | roothorick: | so I hear |
| [07:54:42] | roothorick: | we have three of them at work |
| [07:55:02] | justinh: | well, maybe they look 'ok'. buy what you like the look of |
| [07:55:20] | roothorick: | honestly? The screens at work are a pain |
| [07:55:34] | justinh: | apparently the human eye is less good at determining horizontal resolution |
| [07:55:35] | roothorick: | they'll only sync up over VGA at certain specific hsync and v-refresh ranges at very specific resolutions |
| [07:55:50] | roothorick: | this is documented in the manual, but you can imagine how hard it is to get WinXP to play ball with this |
| [07:56:14] | justinh: | hence why some 1080 HD is actually about 1440x1080 ;) |
| [07:56:25] | roothorick: | worse yet, they don't give an EDID |
| [07:56:38] | roothorick: | so Win* can't figure it out on its own and you just get a black screen |
| [07:56:47] | justinh: | maybe they couldn't stump up the cash for EDID info |
| [07:58:03] | roothorick: | Right now my nicest TV is a 26" Magnavox 4:3 analog from 1994 |
| [07:58:30] | roothorick: | it has some purity issues, but I can't afford a new set right now |
| [07:58:44] | justinh: | just thought though.. this interlaced mode malarkey – it doesn't even need a blimmin hardware register. the driver could do it quite easily (in theory) |
| [07:59:11] | roothorick: | you would think nV would just throw it in there so they can charge an extra $0.50 per chip |
| [07:59:27] | roothorick: | there's enough obscure gadgets in the GeForce series as it is |
| [07:59:30] | justinh: | just set a pointer/signal/whatever to say 'hey I'm gonna draw the odd field now', then reset it when doing the other field |
| [08:00:13] | justinh: | how a video player app would know about it would rely on there being a common API for that though, I suspect |
| [08:00:55] | justinh: | besides, it's still better to let PCs do the scaling talk than some ropey telly |
| [08:01:01] | roothorick: | of course, if it's implemented at the GPU level, who says it's not deinterlaced and reinterlaced by the encoder on its way out |
| [08:01:09] | roothorick: | or worse, the encoder doesn't take interlaced signals period |
| [08:01:26] | justinh: | well, all TV encoders output interlaced signals – there you _would_ need hardware |
| [08:01:39] | roothorick: | not necessarily — component encoding for 720p or 1080p |
| [08:01:44] | roothorick: | or 480p for that matter |
| [08:01:56] | justinh: | and most TV encoders take progressive input |
| [08:01:58] | roothorick: | all three required for chips used on GeForce cards |
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| [08:02:52] | justinh: | what I mean is that the TV encoders can be made to output interlaced video, but the majority of them I've seen datasheets for only take progressive input |
| [08:03:28] | roothorick: | so such technology would require the encoder itself to cooperate |
| [08:03:35] | justinh: | actually, if you're using nvidia tvout with composite or svideo – what you should try is opening nvidia-settings & crank up the flicker filter to about half-way |
| [08:03:55] | justinh: | on gf4+ series cards the flicker filter has an adaptive deinterlacer too :D |
| [08:03:58] | roothorick: | that would require connecting a mouse to my Myth frontend |
| [08:04:18] | roothorick: | and I don't have any mice just laying around |
| [08:04:46] | roothorick: | sure, there's my $60 Razer Copperhead I won at a LAN party, but I really don't feel like unhooking that |
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| [08:05:14] | justinh: | I was putting a machine together to take to a show – it was to output to my panasonic 26" TV. I was just using myth's default setting – which at the time was no deinterlacer... I set up the nvidia settings to make the picture look good, played some video & was taken by surprise that a ticker onscreen was completely smooth |
| [08:05:43] | justinh: | the exclamations I made will be in this channel's logs from around July 2006 |
| [08:05:58] | roothorick: | I suppose I'll have to get my Logitech back from my friend |
| [08:06:05] | justinh: | myth wasn't deinterlacing, but the flicker filter in nvidia-settings was on. |
| [08:06:13] | justinh: | vnc/freenx ftw :) |
| [08:06:17] | roothorick: | who's currently holding it hostage because I owe him $$ for the RAM I'm using in my Myth box |
| [08:06:26] | justinh: | mouse hostage! |
| [08:06:34] | justinh: | heheh |
| [08:06:52] | roothorick: | in the meantime, I just want to get everything working |
| [08:07:06] | roothorick: | then I can clean my room and put my network back together the way it's supposed to be |
| [08:07:17] | roothorick: | and follow more financially responsible pursuits |
| [08:07:37] | justinh: | seriously – if you use nvidia & composite/svideo tv out, check out the flicker filter. it might soften the video slightly but it's a mean cpu-less deinterlacer |
| [08:07:58] | roothorick: | and on a 1Ghz PIII I'm going to need all the spare CPU I can get |
| [08:08:18] | justinh: | yeah this was on a 800Mhz athlon. made a 25% CPU difference IIRC |
| [08:08:36] | roothorick: | GeForce FX5200 though |
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| [08:08:46] | justinh: | yeah this box had that card in it |
| [08:08:49] | roothorick: | you betcha I'm gonna play with XvMC |
| [08:08:56] | justinh: | it's not worth it |
| [08:09:16] | roothorick: | why not? |
| [08:09:27] | justinh: | doesn't save much CPU in my experience |
| [08:09:40] | justinh: | & you lose transparency on the OSD |
| [08:09:54] | roothorick: | meh, performance is numero uno on this one |
| [08:09:58] | justinh: | on > 5200 cards you lose the colour of the OSD too |
| [08:10:10] | roothorick: | you mean <5200 |
| [08:10:18] | justinh: | no, I mean 6200+ |
| [08:10:21] | roothorick: | oh |
| [08:10:50] | justinh: | actually the xvmc chromakey hack only works on 5xxx series IIRC |
| [08:11:15] | justinh: | not many OSD themes are ideal in monochrome – especially for editing ;) |
| [08:12:29] | justinh: | losing OSD transparency can look weird – not so much if the theme has well defined edges on the shapes but anything like gradients & soft drop shadows are blocked out |
| [08:13:15] | roothorick: | I don't care if the OSD looks like it was inspired by 60s-era computer terminals |
| [08:13:27] | roothorick: | as long as the actual video looks good |
| [08:13:28] | justinh: | well, I think iometer has thrashed this here disk box enough. 109MB/sec all night long with no errors :) |
| [08:14:02] | justinh: | I didn't have any choice but to put up with it on my last frontend. that thing _relied_ on xvmc to play mpeg2 SDTV |
| [08:14:08] | justinh: | 1Ghz my arse |
| [08:14:29] | justinh: | Via 1Ghz != Pentium/AMD 1Ghz ;) |
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| [08:14:55] | roothorick: | heh |
| [08:15:10] | roothorick: | Vias are nice for embedded stuff that doesn't involve video decoding |
| [08:15:15] | justinh: | maybe it's time for a _proper_ speed marking scheme, none of this made-up stuff |
| [08:15:16] | roothorick: | or anything else CPU-intensive |
| [08:15:23] | roothorick: | how about FLOPS? |
| [08:15:46] | justinh: | anything where the benchmark is a common, agreed standard |
| [08:15:59] | roothorick: | seriously, CPUs should be marketed by their FLOPS and IOPS |
| [08:16:04] | roothorick: | and maybe something to do with memory access |
| [08:16:11] | justinh: | oh you know, so we can all compare like for like |
| [08:16:22] | roothorick: | actually yes very much so have a memory read/write number in there |
| [08:16:33] | roothorick: | so you have these four numbers that tell you EXACTLY what the CPU can do |
| [08:16:51] | justinh: | not have to go "hmmm, this AMD 234e567538245328 chip is equivalent to 2.567 Pentium 4s running at 3Ghz" |
| [08:17:46] | justinh: | THG's CPU charts are sort of useful in that regard but it'd be nice not to have to spend days researching everything just to compare 2 CPUs |
| [08:18:25] | roothorick: | unfortunately the motherboard, its chipset, and even the RAM have major effects on performance |
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| [08:18:38] | justinh: | true |
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| [08:18:47] | justinh: | but so can software |
| [08:19:20] | roothorick: | well, send me a selection of same-socketed motherboards and matching CPUs and I'll write something up for you :p |
| [08:19:31] | justinh: | actually, so can the _same_ software running on different distros (or even the _same_ distros) using different versions of libraries |
| [08:19:57] | roothorick: | I was thinking more something like a burn program that runs directly on the CPU with no OS in between |
| [08:20:22] | roothorick: | specifically optimized to produce an absolute maximum number of X type of operations per second |
| [08:20:56] | justinh: | fwiw comparitive benchmarks are enough to go by for me. I'm not one of those people who feels the need to eke every last 0.2% of performance out of a box |
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| [08:21:40] | roothorick: | I do overclocking, but I set everything back to stock if I can't get an improvement of more than 100Mhz |
| [08:21:50] | roothorick: | or 50 in the case of RAM |
| [08:22:00] | justinh: | when I decided to buy the laptop I've got, I compared the CPU marks to a C2D mobile T7200 chip & there wasn't much between em in any real terms |
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| [08:22:24] | justinh: | so doing an intensive job might take another 20 seconds.. so what? ;) |
| [08:22:49] | justinh: | but the price difference between the model I bought & one with a T7200 chip was like £300 |
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| [08:23:08] | justinh: | hmmm that much price difference for how little performance gain? meh |
| [08:23:36] | roothorick: | *sigh* |
| [08:23:42] | roothorick: | headless machine shouldn't need xorg-server installed |
| [08:23:51] | roothorick: | but that's the way Myth rolls |
| [08:24:19] | justinh: | it's not as if xorg takes up much disk space compared to how much disk space recordings will take though |
| [08:24:32] | roothorick: | yes, BUT, recordings will be on a separate volume |
| [08:24:40] | roothorick: | a one terabyte volume |
| [08:24:58] | justinh: | that's the price of having a GUI setup utility |
| [08:25:38] | roothorick: | that I don't intend to use? |
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| [08:26:08] | justinh: | you don't _have_ to use it – I mean you could plug everything into the database yourself by hand :D |
| [08:26:26] | roothorick: | ...database? Settings are stored IN the database? |
| [08:26:35] | justinh: | yup |
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| [08:26:42] | roothorick: | ugh. |
| [08:26:51] | stuarta: | yay for fridays! |
| [08:26:59] | roothorick: | so how am I going to do this |
| [08:27:16] | roothorick: | I only want one instance of MySQL, on the backend, that the frontend would then connect to |
| [08:27:22] | justinh: | yeah |
| [08:27:30] | justinh: | a slave backend doesn't need mysql running on it |
| [08:27:37] | justinh: | that would be utterly pointless infact |
| [08:27:45] | roothorick: | there's a master backend and a master frontend |
| [08:27:46] | stuarta: | what you want is easy |
| [08:27:47] | roothorick: | and that's it |
| [08:28:10] | roothorick: | so what, have mythsetup connect to the backend MySQL? And then set up both machines at the same time? |
| [08:28:12] | justinh: | there needs only to be one mysql server |
| [08:28:15] | stuarta: | it's just a plain frontend |
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| [08:28:40] | stuarta: | you don't run setup on the frontend |
| [08:28:48] | justinh: | all backends & frontends use the same database, doesn't matter where the DB lives – it's just convention that it lives on the MBE |
| [08:29:05] | roothorick: | stuarta: the backend is headless |
| [08:29:17] | roothorick: | so any setup must be done either through SSH or on the frontend |
| [08:29:28] | stuarta: | it can't be done on the frontend |
| [08:29:35] | stuarta: | so you must ssh X forward |
| [08:29:45] | roothorick: | ugh! |
| [08:30:00] | stuarta: | it's not rocket science |
| [08:30:02] | roothorick: | well, allright |
| [08:30:04] | stuarta: | easy in fact |
| [08:30:20] | stuarta: | 1. make sure sshd on mbe allows xforwarding |
| [08:30:31] | stuarta: | 2. ssh to mbe with ssh -X mbe |
| [08:30:31] | justinh: | oh ffs some c*** has nicked the only no.1 posi from the lab again |
| [08:31:04] | roothorick: | the what? |
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| [08:31:23] | stuarta: | some really useful uber expensive nice things |
| [08:32:03] | justinh: | he says "muh muh muh you should order me my own tools". what an excuse. like a cad engineer can't fill out a frickin purchase order. dickhead |
| [08:32:58] | roothorick: | I'm using Samba/CIFS as the only means of network filesysteming on a Linux-dominated network |
| [08:33:02] | roothorick: | *sigh* |
| [08:33:56] | ** justinh orders am anvil to drop on the CAD guy's car ** | |
| [08:34:18] | stuarta: | or one of those chicken firing guns |
| [08:34:34] | Dagmar: | u r doin it rong then |
| [08:35:01] | roothorick: | Dagmar: it's the best maintained out of all the options that fit my particular situation |
| [08:35:10] | roothorick: | and also, sadly, the most secure |
| [08:35:21] | Dagmar: | If you're using Samba, Linux isn't dominating the network, Windows is. |
| [08:35:43] | ** stuarta coughs and splutters ** | |
| [08:35:46] | roothorick: | there's only two pure WinXP machines and a dual-booter |
| [08:35:49] | justinh: | I think what we need in this lab is to change security permissions on the door locks so only people who _need_ lab access have lab access |
| [08:35:53] | roothorick: | three pure Linux machines |
| [08:36:05] | roothorick: | two of which are the firewall and the server |
| [08:36:54] | justinh: | hmmm I wouldn't bet my house on mythtv being able to record on a samba share, even if said samba share was hosted on an 'always on' windows box :) |
| [08:37:10] | roothorick: | it's on an always on Linux machine |
| [08:37:24] | roothorick: | also, the backend is local to the share |
| [08:37:24] | justinh: | so use NFS then :) |
| [08:37:29] | stuarta: | and don't forget there's nothing wrong with providing the same share out via nfs so you can record on it properly |
| [08:37:39] | roothorick: | there's Windows machines that need to access the Myth recordings too |
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| [08:38:06] | justinh: | so use samba aswell |
| [08:38:36] | justinh: | nothing wrong with doing that |
| [08:38:40] | roothorick: | SPKM and LIPKEY are not yet implemented in Linux, and I'm not setting up a Kerberos infrastructure when Samba will do just fine. |
| [08:39:08] | roothorick: | also, it's yet another thing running. A lot of another things actually — nlockmgr, RPC, etc |
| [08:39:24] | roothorick: | whereas Samba is a single process |
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| [08:39:28] | justinh: | it'll make hardly any difference |
| [08:39:37] | Dagmar: | What? |
| [08:39:38] | justinh: | apart from, samba sucks compared to NFS |
| [08:39:51] | Dagmar: | You don't need Kerberos for that |
| [08:39:53] | roothorick: | fine, let's put it this way. The design is already set in place, and I'm not changing it. |
| [08:39:56] | Dagmar: | What the hell are you talking about |
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| [08:40:27] | roothorick: | Dagmar: it's the only available security method for NFS4 at the moment. and NFS3 doesn't provide any host-level or user-level authentication — just IP checking. |
| [08:40:44] | Dagmar: | You're at HOME. |
| [08:40:48] | justinh: | depends how anal you want to be about security on your OWN lan |
| [08:40:57] | Dagmar: | Two, portmapper has had tcp_wrappers support for awhile now |
| [08:41:18] | justinh: | not that SMBFS is notorious for its security anyway! |
| [08:41:20] | Dagmar: | ...and three, someone's been feeding you the crazy corns. |
| [08:41:25] | roothorick: | I have two Windows XP machines on the network used by users with a track history of infecting their machines with plenty of spyware, adware, and viruses. It makes one really damn paranoid after a while. |
| [08:42:05] | justinh: | username & password do not security guarantee. besides, if anybody's that far in, the least of your worries is who can see your TV recordings :D |
| [08:42:07] | roothorick: | and it's not my house. I'm EXPECTED to provide services to them as part of my living here. I can't just kick them off the network |
| [08:42:31] | Dagmar: | So, you're expecting that their viruses will execute a complex MITM attack against your NFSv3 server because you can't figure out NFSv4? |
| [08:42:50] | justinh: | life is too short. I'm giving up now |
| [08:43:02] | ** stuarta offers justinh a large hammer ** | |
| [08:43:06] | roothorick: | look, I have it figured out already. I don't need suggestions or recommendations. |
| [08:43:26] | Dagmar: | You need to go reread whatever the hell it was that made you think NFSv4 wasn't possible under Linux |
| [08:43:59] | justinh: | trying to protect people from themselves isn't worth it Dagmar ;) |
| [08:44:06] | roothorick: | Dagmar: NFS4 is certainly possible on Linux. But it has limitations. If you want something more secure than IP-checking you need Kerberos. |
| [08:44:19] | Dagmar: | No, you don't. |
| [08:44:22] | roothorick: | oh really? |
| [08:44:26] | Dagmar: | O RLY |
| [08:44:36] | roothorick: | Do you have some obscure patch that adds experimental SPKM support? |
| [08:44:43] | Dagmar: | No, I have VPN links. |
| [08:44:45] | Dagmar: | ...among other things |
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| [08:45:06] | roothorick: | hm. Didn't think of that. |
| [08:45:10] | ** justinh hurries up what he's doing so he can start work on ui code again ** | |
| [08:45:25] | stuarta: | you getting addicted to UI code? |
| [08:45:56] | justinh: | while (!real_work) .... |
| [08:46:47] | justinh: | stuarta: I just want to help, learn new fings, and stuff |
| [08:46:48] | stuarta: | bling++ |
| [08:46:59] | stuarta: | always a good plan |
| [08:48:26] | justinh: | realised on the way into work this morning that the mythbuttonlist code could do with a function to centre the list in the middle of an area too |
| [08:49:46] | Dagmar: | Are we going to have non-spinlocky animations or no? |
| [08:50:08] | justinh: | no comment |
| [08:50:10] | ** stuarta shrugs ** | |
| [08:50:17] | Dagmar: | I don't much care for the "refresh the image as fast as we possibly can" method |
| [08:50:46] | justinh: | I don't much care for any of the animation available.. yet |
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| [08:57:38] | justinh: | flipbook, colour cycling, alpha pulsing.. bleugh |
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| [09:00:28] | roothorick: | yay, everything's pretty much in place, I just have to get Myth working |
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| [09:02:02] | Dagmar: | Jesus |
| [09:02:12] | Dagmar: | These metaplace people have lost their minds |
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| [09:02:33] | dustybin: | justinh: im going to stick my macbook pro on ebay |
| [09:02:55] | dustybin: | time to remove os x from my household once and for all |
| [09:03:04] | dustybin: | instead one shall get a nice thinkpad |
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| [09:09:33] | justinh: | if somebody on IRC says he's gonna do something but nobody can see him say it, does it matter? :P |
| [09:10:45] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [09:11:12] | justinh: | one of these days I'm going to remember what I call my new variables etc |
| [09:11:28] | stuarta: | george? |
| [09:11:36] | justinh: | m_buttonSpread vs m_spreadButtons. duh |
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| [09:18:42] | justinh: | bugger. the inheritance of m_buttonSpread still isn't working out |
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| [09:27:06] | tuxd00d: | Can anyone point me in the right direction for forcing the order of my capture cards. After each reboot, the cards are in a different order, forcing me to use mythtv-setup to assign the correct drivers to each card on their new /dev/video slot. |
| [09:27:36] | justinh: | udev :) |
| [09:28:00] | tuxd00d: | okay, I now know that much |
| [09:28:09] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev |
| [09:28:11] | tuxd00d: | is it in options? |
| [09:28:21] | justinh: | no, it's nothing to do with mythtv |
| [09:28:36] | tuxd00d: | I know it is not a MythTV problem, per se |
| [09:29:09] | tuxd00d: | except that it doesn't handle this issue, and I don't expect it to |
| [09:29:14] | justinh: | there are no mythtv options to get around the problem. fix udev rules to make sure known devices get certain nodes |
| [09:29:28] | justinh: | the wiki page I just posted a link to will get you started |
| [09:29:55] | tuxd00d: | justinh: |
| [09:30:07] | tuxd00d: | Thanks |
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| [09:35:12] | skerit: | Does anyone in here use DVB-S(2) on mythTV with a disecq switch? I'm getting the distinct impression disecq isn't very popular in mythtv :) |
| [09:35:40] | justinh: | not that many people use dvb-s really |
| [09:36:25] | skerit: | Hmm, it's the only way to get digital tv in a "free" way in Flanders (free as in freedom) |
| [09:36:46] | skerit: | Our iptv & dvb-c providers require you to buy their hardware and stick with it |
| [09:36:51] | justinh: | well, at least not many people use use dvb-s come onto IRC ;) |
| [09:36:55] | stuarta: | not a lot of ppl have diseq no |
| [09:37:40] | justinh: | there's some hope now the s2 api has been er.. agreed. so I heard |
| [09:38:08] | skerit: | Oh, have you been following the thread on the linux-dvb ml? |
| [09:38:20] | justinh: | no |
| [09:41:31] | justinh: | not being a dvb-s user I don't have much interest in it :) |
| [09:42:01] | skerit: | Oh... but it's more the S2 api isn't JUST S2, as I've read. |
| [09:42:42] | skerit: | Well,a certain group of people announced they were abandoning multiproto (the new api they've been developping for 2 years now) and that they were starting their own S2 api |
| [09:43:03] | skerit: | 15 minutes later the lead developper of multiproto said the API was finished and ready to be put in the kernel |
| [09:43:04] | justinh: | I heard about the in-fighting. all very sad |
| [09:43:11] | stuarta: | basically, we don't have the time to follow 3 different s2 api's |
| [09:43:25] | stuarta: | so we are waiting till they work out wtf they are doing |
| [09:43:48] | stuarta: | at least 1 person has contributed multiproto patches. |
| [09:44:34] | skerit: | Yes, but it seems stupid to create a whole new S2 api just because they can't get along, now that the multiproto one is done |
| [09:45:06] | justinh: | nevermind that |
| [09:47:10] | justinh: | whatever was happening it was bad for everybody, and it's good that a conclusion was reached... if indeed it was. Keep politics & ego out of open source :) |
| [09:47:46] | skerit: | Where did you hear they reached a conclusion, anyway? :P |
| [09:47:55] | justinh: | read it somewhere |
| [09:48:08] | skerit: | And I couldn't agree more! I understand they got kinda fed up with the developper for, err, being so slow, but still |
| [09:50:27] | directhex: | justinh, keep ego out of open source? who are you and where's the real justinh? |
| [09:50:58] | justinh: | directhex: do you see any of my stuff out there on a website somewhere for all to enjoy? ;) |
| [09:51:05] | justinh: | I'm keeping out of it :) |
| [09:51:20] | justinh: | at least stuff with my name attached to it |
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| [10:00:28] | justinh: | well, changing the bool to a variable hasn't changed anything, so it's def. an inheritance issue. maybe if I had an editor which showed that sort of stuff in a friendly way... or just getting a clue would help :P |
| [10:02:49] | stuarta: | kdevelop isn't bad |
| [10:03:21] | justinh: | at least that might point out the bleeding obvious :) |
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| [10:06:34] | ** stuarta waves to gbee ** | |
| [10:06:56] | ** gbee waves ** | |
| [10:10:27] | justinh: | come & get me, IT dept.! I'm downloading kdevelop! |
| [10:11:43] | justinh: | morning gbee :) |
| [10:12:20] | justinh: | the head of IT left yesterday, so presumably it's just the answerphone that'll be busy today |
| [10:23:31] | tuxd00d: | gbee: Like a case of the hebee? |
| [10:23:53] | tuxd00d: | Sorry, new to this channel |
| [10:24:24] | tuxd00d: | always curious about peoples names |
| [10:24:37] | gbee: | err, no – it's the result of a gradual contraction of a longer username, which used to be a nickname |
| [10:25:02] | tuxd00d: | Mine is also a shortened name |
| [10:25:57] | tuxd00d: | okay, my wife says she misses me, need to head to bed. Night all. Thanks again justinh |
| [10:26:25] | gbee: | copying over 46Gb of recordings from one disk to another seems slower than it really should be |
| [10:27:06] | ** gbee wants Gb/s disk read/writes ** | |
| [10:28:17] | AndyCap: | gbee: well, just get a decent raid controller and about 20 disks |
| [10:28:42] | gbee: | heh |
| [10:29:04] | gbee: | but seriously, this is _slow_ |
| [10:29:20] | gbee: | just glad there wasn't more on the disk, I'd be here all day |
| [10:32:54] | justinh: | my new external disk just arrived :) |
| [10:35:13] | ** gbee is currently filling one ** | |
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| [10:35:44] | gbee: | although it's not the slow one in question, the external is even slower ;) |
| [10:36:07] | justinh: | trying dd'ing a gig... |
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| [10:36:35] | stuarta_: | how many terabytes? |
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| [10:37:13] | stuarta: | meh, what happened there |
| [10:39:17] | justinh: | only company HDD boxes are measured in TB |
| [10:39:21] | gbee: | all this just to reformat the drive as xfs instead of ext3, it might have been an unnecessary distraction when I've got better things to do |
| [10:39:44] | justinh: | besides, that esata disk box won't fit in my laptop bag :P |
| [10:40:54] | justinh: | hmm not bad. 31.4MB/s :) |
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| [10:48:39] | justinh: | hrm. looks like my bool is defined properly but getbuttonposition still ain't able to do anything with it |
| [10:52:08] | gbee: | justinh: post a full diff and I'll try to help |
| [10:55:08] | justinh: | http://pastebin.ca/1194718 |
| [10:55:33] | justinh: | probably still a schoolboy error I bet |
| [10:59:50] | dustybin: | justinh: did you do any I.T. exams like A+ to get into I.T? |
| [11:00:31] | gbee: | have you stuck a verbose in GetButtonPosition to see whether m_buttonSpread is true/false? I'm guessing that it is picking up the correct value but since GetButtonPosition is called in the wrong position it's not going to make a noticable difference |
| [11:00:54] | justinh: | yes I did. it's just going nowhere |
| [11:01:23] | justinh: | well, if I comment the 'if' out, it does its stuff |
| [11:01:44] | justinh: | I did shove a verbose in there & it's not reading the book |
| [11:01:47] | justinh: | *bool |
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| [11:02:12] | justinh: | but – in the tag reading part of the code, I put a verbose in to confirm it IS reading it & setting the bool – and indeed it is |
| [11:02:18] | gbee: | I can't see anything wrong |
| [11:03:53] | justinh: | just something obvious.. parseBool does work doesn't it? ;) |
| [11:04:17] | justinh: | then again I tried changing it to an int – that didn't work either |
| [11:04:26] | gbee: | yes, accepts values of true/false, yes/no |
| [11:04:45] | justinh: | not 0 & 1 ? |
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| [11:05:01] | gbee: | iirc it should, but I've never tested it |
| [11:06:04] | justinh: | well, 'yes' isn't doing the biz either |
| [11:07:23] | justinh: | I even tried changing the if to this: if (!m_buttonSpread) & it didn't change the behaviour |
| [11:08:24] | roothorick: | does the frontend need to be able to write to where the recordings are stored? |
| [11:08:32] | justinh: | roothorick: no |
| [11:09:02] | gbee: | justinh: stick an assert() in there guarded by if (m_buttonSpread) |
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| [11:12:05] | gbee: | justinh: if you can ignore all the unrelated changes and the fact that it's unfinished and probably wrong, here's my patch – http://pastebin.ca/1194726 |
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| [11:14:30] | justinh: | nice, ta |
| [11:15:43] | justinh: | whah? put that assert() in & now it won't compile |
| [11:18:32] | justinh: | ah. that error message was quite illuminating |
| [11:19:12] | justinh: | assignment of data-member ..blah..::m_itemVertSpacing' in read-only structure |
| [11:20:49] | justinh: | anyway, looks like I stand a chance of being on a highway to something now ta |
| [11:24:19] | gbee: | justinh: doh, yeah, remove the int before m_itemVertSpacing in GetButtonPosition |
| [11:24:31] | gbee: | it's already been declared as an int elsewhere |
| [11:24:45] | gbee: | funny, it really should have stopped you from compiling |
| [11:24:46] | justinh: | gbee: tried that, got the above-mentioned error about the read-only structure |
| [11:25:20] | gbee: | justinh: remove the const from the end of the function definition in both the cpp/h |
| [11:25:31] | justinh: | bingo. |
| [11:25:52] | gbee: | that const prevents the modification of member variables in the function |
| [11:25:55] | justinh: | just gonna nip out to my car & see if this HDD works on my car stereo :) |
| [11:26:10] | justinh: | gbee: figures now |
| [11:27:33] | gbee: | there are different types of const, const after the member function declaration means "This function will not (cannot) modify any member variables or call functions which do" |
| [11:28:16] | gbee: | so you know that it's safe to call that method if you don't want to change the class in any way, just obtain information about it or something |
| [11:29:28] | gbee: | someFunction(const someVar) means that this function cannot modify someVar, you have to copy it first – newVar = someVar |
| [11:34:16] | gbee: | hmm, finding recordings is a couple of seconds slower if they've been moved to another storage group? |
| [11:40:12] | justinh: | bah. not enough current on the USB port. needs a 5v adapter. easy to knock one of those up though :) |
| [11:47:32] | justinh: | eep. my laptop is visible on the work LAN – as in whatever mythfrontend reports itself as. workmate says he just saw it pop up on his vista laptop |
| [11:47:33] | gbee: | not one of those two plug usb leads to draw current from more than one socket? |
| [11:47:52] | justinh: | my headunit only has one usb port :) |
| [11:48:08] | gbee: | justinh: erk – upnp, disable, now |
| [11:48:59] | gbee: | hrm, actually I didn't think there was any upnp server capability in the frontend |
| [11:49:25] | justinh: | yeah, my frontend appears as well as my backend.. and by that I mean the 0.21 versions |
| [11:49:41] | justinh: | mythtv AV control somethingorother |
| [11:50:00] | gbee: | ahh, tis upnp then |
| [11:50:05] | justinh: | is that a commandline option or something in configure? |
| [11:50:11] | gbee: | command line |
| [11:50:47] | gbee: | --noupnp |
| [11:50:52] | gbee: | for the backend at least |
| [11:51:01] | justinh: | not running the backend |
| [11:51:31] | gbee: | it's not a documented switch for the frontend, but it may work, I can't check right now |
| [11:51:39] | justinh: | I ran mythfrontend with --noupnp & it just said deleting upnp client & took me back to a prompt |
| [11:51:53] | justinh: | yay it seems to be parsing the tag & using it now :) |
| [11:53:02] | justinh: | prolly don't even need the network on the machine right now anyway |
| [11:53:11] | justinh: | I'll look into firewalling it later |
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| [11:53:52] | gbee: | justinh: see #mythtv, I'm trying to get an answer there – it's definately an issue which needs to be sorted, I don't want to be making my media accessible to everyone when I happen to connect to wifi at a Cafe etc |
| [11:54:20] | justinh: | other thing that took me by surprise was "eh? but I've not bound the backend to the LAN ip... " |
| [11:54:52] | justinh: | then realised my backend isn't even running. heheh |
| [11:55:53] | justinh: | I remember it's not listed as the same kind of deal the backend is.. the naming is different & IIRC no media is browsable. that was it.. MythTV AV Control Point is what it appears as |
| [11:56:38] | gbee: | still it shouldn't happen, maybe upnp should be disabled by default like the telnet interface |
| [11:57:07] | gbee: | 'cept the upnp is worse since it's broadcasting actively, not passive like telnet |
| [11:57:27] | justinh: | yeah – plus if there are known vulnerabilities in libupnp... |
| [11:57:38] | justinh: | :-O |
| [11:58:23] | gbee: | I've recently been thinking about what can be done to make Myth a little more secure, it's not a net facing app but still, until now we've not really given it much consideration |
| [11:58:54] | justinh: | stuff like the upnp things.. that's the 1st thing that's given me cause for concern |
| [11:59:41] | justinh: | not my call to make on whether to disable upnp by default, but it should be configurable IMHO |
| [11:59:52] | gbee: | suprised no-one has complained yet |
| [12:00:02] | justinh: | maybe nobody has found out yet ;) |
| [12:00:49] | justinh: | I dunno how you'd make a case for anything else though – like the myth protocol or the status port etc... they're only intended to be on a lan |
| [12:00:54] | gbee: | "I connected to a public wifi and was arrested for broadcasting my pr0n collection to a bunch of school kids laptops" |
| [12:01:54] | gbee: | justinh: well as more people use laptops and those laptops are connected to unsecure lans like wifi networks, hotel networks, internet cafe connections it becomes more of a concern |
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| [12:06:52] | justinh: | just confirmed the tag is parsed. tested both conditions ok :) |
| [12:07:25] | justinh: | not much point setting it to 'yes', seeing it work & say it's fine.. even though I know it's only a simple if.. |
| [12:07:56] | justinh: | that'd be how bad habits come about.. & I can't afford to take chances |
| [12:13:46] | justinh: | just been sent a company news bulletin about the CEO's racing efforts :-/ remind us again why there's no bonus this year... |
| [12:13:49] | gbee: | really suprised how many films I've hoarded, it's not until I started to exporting them from MythTV that I realised |
| [12:14:23] | justinh: | Foobar Ackbar, Director of Motorsport for ** Group ?!?!?! We have a DIRECTOR OF MOTORSPORT?! WTF? |
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| [12:15:36] | directhex: | VROOM! |
| [12:16:10] | justinh: | "My preference has always been for an open cockpit", admits $CEO |
| [12:16:17] | justinh: | make of that what you will, folks |
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| [12:18:00] | gbee: | take a box of eggs to the track |
| [12:19:59] | justinh: | more like a few drums of veg oil :D |
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| [12:22:29] | gbee: | throw in a little seasoning and you've got the makings of Mayonnaise |
| [12:23:13] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [12:23:46] | laga: | hum, i wonder if my HD stuttering is due to fragmentation on my backend |
| [12:24:10] | gbee: | yay for ext4, if it ever sees the light of day |
| [12:24:38] | stuarta: | someone mentioned earlier they were running it |
| [12:24:46] | laga: | stuarta: j-rod? |
| [12:24:50] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [12:25:01] | stuarta: | on his 8way opteron 8G server |
| [12:25:12] | ** stuarta has server envy ** | |
| [12:25:17] | laga: | gbee: will ext4 help with that? XFS isn't supposed to fragment much, but ThreadedFileWriter::Sync(void) breaks delayed allocation |
| [12:25:49] | gbee: | laga: ext4 will be the first filesystem supplied with a defrag tool |
| [12:26:00] | laga: | gbee: xfs_fsr? ;) |
| [12:26:20] | stuarta: | what on earth do we want a defrag tool for |
| [12:26:21] | justinh: | xfs isn't supposed to fragment much. yeah yeah. not supposed to, I get that |
| [12:27:18] | gbee: | laga: sorry, should have said ext* filesystem, although I wasn't aware that xfs_fsr had a defrag tool, at least not at it's release |
| [12:27:36] | laga: | justinh: the way i understand, XFS caches some data in memory to see how much it needs to allocate, but mythtv uses fsync() so that doesnt work too well |
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| [12:27:46] | laga: | gbee: xfs_fsr is the defrag tool |
| [12:27:58] | gbee: | all filesystems are going to fragment over time, they might do their best to avoid it, but once they start to get full it's going to happen |
| [12:28:15] | gbee: | laga: err, typo |
| [12:28:19] | laga: | ah, k |
| [12:29:16] | justinh: | not bad, all things considered: actual 2251, ideal 744, fragmentation factor 66.95% |
| [12:29:19] | laga: | i'll have to run that tonight ;) |
| [12:29:21] | directhex: | ntfs seems designed to fragment |
| [12:29:23] | gbee: | fragmentation is only going to be worse with huge video files |
| [12:29:27] | laga: | justinh: mine was over 90% |
| [12:29:40] | stuarta: | how do you find that out? |
| [12:29:41] | laga: | with lots of extents |
| [12:29:49] | justinh: | mine used to be in the high 90% range til I started running defrag on a cron |
| [12:29:50] | laga: | stuarta: filefrag or xfs_db |
| [12:30:17] | justinh: | xfs_sb -c frag -r $partition |
| [12:30:20] | rooaus: | I believe xfs can be tuned so it allocates large contiguous regions when writing. Open a file to write and it will reserve something like the next 500M, and can be increased. |
| [12:30:46] | justinh: | yeah I never bothered to tune my xfs partition. I just made it |
| [12:30:59] | laga: | rooaus: yes, mount with allocsize=512m or so |
| [12:31:00] | gbee: | actual 55300, ideal 250, fragmentation factor 99.55% |
| [12:31:06] | gbee: | errm, crap? |
| [12:31:09] | laga: | haha |
| [12:31:23] | laga: | xfs_fsr to the rescue |
| [12:31:57] | gbee: | no danger about running it on a mounted filesystem? |
| [12:32:19] | laga: | i dont think so. man xfs_fsr ;) |
| [12:32:27] | laga: | it think it only works on mounted FS |
| [12:32:37] | gbee: | even the drive I've just formatted as xfs is 1.92% fragmented ... wtf? |
| [12:33:17] | laga: | gbee: i believe the percentage tells you how many files have more than one extent, so it's probably not too useful |
| [12:33:18] | stuarta: | ah what. i need to unmount it? |
| [12:33:25] | laga: | but i didnt check that |
| [12:33:42] | laga: | stuarta: no? |
| [12:33:54] | ** stuarta goes to rtfm ** | |
| [12:34:19] | gbee: | seems to be running on my mounted fs, but I'm wondering how long it will take since I need to move some more recordings off that drive |
| [12:35:15] | laga: | gbee: check the man page, it doesnt defrag everything |
| [12:35:21] | justinh: | gbee: just thought of a better possibility but I dunno how it'd affect the code – I've considered that the buttons might want to be distributed evenly, but centring the button list in the area is nice too – and not sure both would be needed at the same time |
| [12:36:11] | stuarta: | damn thing doesn't like me |
| [12:36:20] | stuarta: | fatal error — couldn't initialize XFS library |
| [12:36:29] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, you might want to rename <buttonspread> and have different modes, I'll let you figure it out though |
| [12:37:14] | ** gbee just ran xfs_fsr with no args, it obviously peeked at fstab for the partition details ** | |
| [12:37:18] | justinh: | next gonna tackle the issue of it only doing the spacing once |
| [12:38:05] | justinh: | thinking how it's done in the init routine, maybe bring that out into its own function so it can be re-used |
| [12:38:17] | stuarta: | don't wanna do that |
| [12:39:34] | gbee: | /etc/mtab |
| [12:40:39] | gbee: | well killed it, fs is 0.03% less fragmented than it was |
| [12:40:51] | justinh: | oh it's not quick ;) |
| [12:41:51] | stuarta: | actual 144323, ideal 821, fragmentation factor 99.43% |
| [12:42:19] | ** stuarta wonders if that is bad or good ** | |
| [12:42:29] | stuarta: | probably good |
| [12:42:46] | stuarta: | since the data was initially populated as an rsync of an existing recording set |
| [12:43:12] | gbee: | better than mine, but only 0.56% away from complete fragmentation |
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| [12:48:05] | laga: | i need to dive into the xfs source to find out what happens if you use allocsize=512M but only have 200M or so left |
| [12:48:16] | laga: | just tried it with an FS here, it didnt explode |
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| [12:50:24] | laga: | also, i should pay attention to this lecture.. but why do that when you can just read about it on wikipedia? ;() |
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| [12:53:52] | janneg: | stuarta: I think it's bad. you have 821 files in 144323 fragments. that makes 175 fragments per file |
| [12:54:33] | stuarta: | entirely possible |
| [12:54:47] | janneg: | in reality probably twice as much since half of the files (the preview pngs) have probably only one fragment |
| [12:56:40] | ** janneg boots his mbe to see how his allocsize=1g mounted fs are fragmented ** | |
| [12:57:52] | justinh: | our CCTV DVR can't really get a fragmented fs. we preallocate 50MB files & just write to them in chunks. things change a little when images are protected though |
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| [12:59:09] | Dibblah: | gbee: xfs_fsr takes ages. |
| [12:59:41] | Dibblah: | You want -v so you can see what it's doing. |
| [12:59:49] | justinh: | first time it takes _yonks_ – subsequent times less so, and yes people do say it has to iterate |
| [12:59:53] | laga: | i also get "fatal error — couldn't initialize XFS library" on my laptop, dang |
| [13:00:13] | Dibblah: | It's not an iteration, as such. |
| [13:00:21] | Dibblah: | More that freespace is too fragmented. |
| [13:01:03] | ** justinh drinks to a fs that doesn't end up with its lead developer's life partner being dead ** | |
| [13:02:10] | justinh: | if Hans Reiser gets access to computers & the internet while in prison, I wonder if his contributions will still be welcome |
| [13:03:23] | laga: | justinh: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Com . . . 437#Features |
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| [13:05:56] | janneg: | justinh: just as welcome as before |
| [13:06:02] | laga: | ouch |
| [13:06:13] | ** laga runs xfs_fsr on the laptop ** | |
| [13:06:19] | Andrew_Barber: | is there any way to change that shrinking that occurs when you rip a dvd? |
| [13:07:27] | janneg: | ouch, can't read inode block 8/50174 doesn't sound healthy |
| [13:07:29] | laga: | ah, xfs_db failed because i used -i which requires the FS to be RO |
| [13:07:41] | laga: | janneg: reiser has come to haunt you |
| [13:07:44] | stuarta: | laga: unmount required |
| [13:07:57] | laga: | stuarta: use -r |
| [13:07:59] | justinh: | oh it's ok.. you were convicted of killing somebody but.. mmmmmmmmkay |
| [13:08:03] | laga: | stuarta: for xfs_db. |
| [13:08:21] | laga: | justinh: so what? |
| [13:08:40] | laga: | actual 491149, ideal 472442, fragmentation factor 3.81% |
| [13:09:08] | laga: | that's pretty good. /home on my laptop, which has 15G out of 101G free. |
| [13:10:08] | stuarta: | seems my home is okay -> actual 27651, ideal 27593, fragmentation factor 0.21% |
| [13:10:13] | janneg: | my point was that his contributions (and social skills) weren't too welcome |
| [13:10:37] | janneg: | hard to fragment small files |
| [13:11:05] | justinh: | fair enough :) |
| [13:11:31] | justinh: | I should spend more time with my nose in code rather thn letting my mind wander to pointles crap |
| [13:11:59] | gbee: | combining two mpeg2 recordings should be as simple as cat'ing them together? |
| [13:12:07] | justinh: | should be |
| [13:12:18] | gbee: | damn ITV and their news breaks |
| [13:12:25] | justinh: | if the number of streams contained within them changes though... hrmph |
| [13:12:41] | janneg: | gbee: in that case probably yes |
| [13:13:28] | justinh: | whatever happened to the 'counting 2 showings split by news' case? |
| [13:14:01] | stuarta: | trying to fit a long bit of sql into the BUSQ was painful |
| [13:14:19] | justinh: | ahh scary query strikes again |
| [13:15:07] | janneg: | It's luckily uncommon germany but use stop recording $BIG_NUMBER nimutes after end |
| [13:16:00] | stuarta: | yeah, the only problem with that is needing to do a "record this showing only" recording |
| [13:16:00] | justinh: | ahh this'd be a case for the "if $genre == $something, add $BIG_NUMBER to end of recording" feature |
| [13:16:08] | stuarta: | as opposed to a find one |
| [13:16:43] | justinh: | is the freeview playback metadata out in force yet? |
| [13:16:53] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [13:17:01] | stuarta: | needs some work on the dvb-s side |
| [13:17:09] | gbee: | mythtranscode is choking on a recording where all it's supposed to do is a lossless cutlist |
| [13:17:20] | stuarta: | got a few of those |
| [13:17:46] | justinh: | always found I can solve them by ffmpegging em with -acodec copy -v codec copy & rebuild seektable |
| [13:17:52] | laga: | projectx FTW ;) |
| [13:19:08] | Andrew_Barber: | justinh: have you done a dvd rip before? |
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| [13:19:16] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber: not in mythtv |
| [13:19:17] | c4t3l: | howdy |
| [13:20:05] | Andrew_Barber: | i'm trying to come up with a workaround for the resolution....the video plays in a square in the center of the screen |
| [13:20:09] | laga: | time to try kde 4.1.1, brb |
| [13:21:14] | gbee: | ok, so cat didn't work – end up with a file of the correct size, but apps only see the first twenty minutes |
| [13:21:34] | gbee: | which is odd considering that the break point was well over an hour into the film |
| [13:22:13] | gbee: | weird, it's now working .. |
| [13:25:56] | gbee: | or not, ffplay/Kaffeine only see it as 20 minutes, seeking is funky, but it looks like it will play all the way through |
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| [13:31:34] | justinh: | hrm. I don't think I should be able to see VOIP traffic all across the LAN here |
| [13:32:24] | janneg: | gbee: mythtv should handle it well once you have a seektable |
| [13:33:17] | gbee: | janneg: yeah |
| [13:33:31] | justinh: | roflmao @ the number of dhcp servers on our LAN |
| [13:33:51] | janneg: | if it is a simple file, only one video and audio stream: ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy -vcodec copy repaired.mpg should fix |
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| [13:35:21] | gbee: | I'll do that when I get back |
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| [13:37:22] | justinh: | not very involved in latest Myth advances.. |
| [13:37:28] | justinh: | ruh? |
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| [13:37:49] | justinh: | Name: justin-laptop: MythTv AV Renderer – that's what pops up :) |
| [13:42:19] | justinh: | wonder why a client would even need to broadcast |
| [13:43:14] | Dibblah: | Media notifications would be my guess. |
| [13:43:27] | GreyFoxx: | So a upnp control point can know about renders and take control to start you playing content, music etc |
| [13:44:04] | Dibblah: | Or just a higher level DHCP if your client is a dumb frontend. |
| [13:44:12] | Dibblah: | Session management type thing. |
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| [13:45:01] | GreyFoxx: | So for example you have a control console/remote which is a control point. It can tell the upnp renderer in the room you are in to start4 playing music or whichever |
| [13:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | though myth doesn't currently support that :) |
| [13:45:48] | justinh: | ooooo |
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| [13:46:01] | sebrock: | s |
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| [13:46:05] | justinh: | niftyness, potentially :) |
| [13:46:12] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [13:46:55] | GreyFoxx: | blah, it appears that post QT4 change my screenshots no longer work |
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| [14:07:12] | justinh: | RUH? playing the same video in VLC & ubuntu's 'movie player' looks much different |
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| [14:22:39] | directhex: | the latter is totem, with gstreamer backend |
| [14:22:52] | directhex: | vlc and totem-gstreamer DO differ |
| [14:24:51] | gbee: | but should the video? |
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| [14:26:15] | justinh: | the non-vlc player looked like it was postprocessing |
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| [14:29:25] | justinh: | anyway, hometime! \O/ |
| [14:29:29] | SHADOW__X: | hello every body |
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| [14:38:56] | MacCyber: | Hey. Having some trouble compiling mythtv here. |
| [14:39:04] | MacCyber: | I downloaded package from http://www.dalberta.com/myth-mouse-0.21-a.tar.gz |
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| [14:39:26] | MacCyber: | it's mythtv with "mouse-support" |
| [14:39:35] | MacCyber: | http://pastebin.com/m115f1f71 |
| [14:39:40] | MacCyber: | <<-- configure |
| [14:39:49] | MacCyber: | http://pastebin.com/m115f1f71 |
| [14:39:58] | MacCyber: | <<-- compile error |
| [14:41:35] | MacCyber: | http://pastebin.com/m49d8b9b |
| [14:41:57] | MacCyber: | sorry, pasted the configure link twice. |
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| [15:36:36] | Dubstar_04: | Has anyone seen the new asus m2n boards? |
| [15:39:05] | Dubstar_04: | http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1 . . . 676&l4=0 |
| [15:39:35] | Dubstar_04: | This looks like a good board for a hd mythbox |
| [15:41:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: I'm running an Asus board on my system now.. I think it's an M2N — have to check (not at nome now) – Mine's an Athlon AM2 board, 6 sata, 3 pci ... nice board... (will find out exact model for you if I can figure it out remotely) |
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| [15:42:59] | Dubstar_04: | Your right it is likely to be an asus m2n. |
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| [15:43:20] | Dubstar_04: | This is the new range, check the link and then read the specs |
| [15:43:29] | Dubstar_04: | it looks amazing |
| [15:43:52] | GreyFoxx: | I had a m2n-pv in my most recent FE upgrade, but got so pissed at it I returnedit and got a Gigabyte board |
| [15:46:27] | Dubstar_04: | http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/mo . . . Socket%20AM2 |
| [15:46:43] | Dubstar_04: | Thats my current combined backend frontend |
| [15:46:52] | Dubstar_04: | I would recommend |
| [15:46:58] | Dubstar_04: | But the new Asus |
| [15:47:41] | iamlindoro_: | laga: So that's seperate from the "official" trunk build repos, then? |
| [15:47:54] | iamlindoro_: | laga: ah, ok, noted... thanks |
| [15:48:36] | laga: | iamlindoro_: no, this is the new official trunk build repo. it's better to have seperate repos for each series to avoid "tricking" users into upgrades. |
| [15:48:46] | iamlindoro_: | laga: makes sense to me |
| [15:49:33] | iamlindoro_: | Do you have a timeline on a plugins fix, or just "real soon now?" |
| [15:49:59] | laga: | it's been "real soon now" for a few weeks. ;) |
| [15:50:10] | laga: | i'll take a look now |
| [15:51:17] | laga: | i think qt3 is pulled in for some reason |
| [15:51:25] | laga: | but i need to fix irexec on my frontend first :/ |
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| [15:52:06] | iamlindoro_: | laga: naw, no worries-- my frontends are all built-from-source trunk and this is for a mostly-backend, so plugins can wait... thanks |
| [15:52:47] | laga: | okay |
| [15:52:59] | laga: | this build is a bit older, i hope it wont give you trouble |
| [15:53:28] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think the DB schema has changed in a bit, I bet it'll be fine |
| [15:54:13] | jams: | iamlindoro- your a mythbunta person? |
| [15:54:39] | iamlindoro_: | jams: about half debian and half ubuntu |
| [15:55:22] | jams: | that explains some things =) |
| [15:55:49] | iamlindoro_: | jams: Oh? Such as? ;) |
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| [15:56:33] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro: How you have actual, answers :D |
| [15:56:43] | iamlindoro_: | FWIW I've also had gentoo and mandrake myth boxes, but Debian and Ubuntu just happen to be what I fool around with these days |
| [15:57:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: Yeah, looks like my MB is the Asus M2N-E |
| [15:57:03] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, I mean Madrake (as I've never used them since the Mandriva dealio) |
| [15:57:16] | iamlindoro_: | ThatOtherGuy: ;) |
| [15:57:25] | laga: | http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2008-August/028313.html – RIP multiproto api |
| [15:57:41] | iamlindoro_: | laga: good news, tho |
| [15:58:06] | laga: | yes |
| [15:58:41] | iamlindoro_: | laga: network protocols match, I should be in good shape-- thanks |
| [15:58:48] | laga: | great |
| [15:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | (although if you wouldn't mind letting me know when plugins are workings, I'd appreciate it) |
| [15:59:10] | laga: | sure |
| [16:00:58] | jams: | iamlindoro- i don't really care, just joking around |
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| [16:01:29] | plb_: | anyone know how to fix this../dev/video24 belongs to a different ivtv driver then /dev/radio0. |
| [16:01:36] | plb_: | trying to tune into radio on my wintv card |
| [16:01:43] | plb_: | seems to pickup stations but no sound |
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| [16:03:20] | iamlindoro_: | jams: ;) Figured |
| [16:03:27] | laga: | for the love of god |
| [16:03:31] | laga: | why did irexec stop working?! |
| [16:04:49] | ThatOtherGuy: | it hates god? |
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| [16:05:18] | laga: | hehe |
| [16:05:42] | janneg: | plb_: you probably need to connect the wintv card with your sound card |
| [16:06:07] | plb_: | It's a laptop |
| [16:06:26] | plb_: | i get sound on tv |
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| [16:16:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: (oops, didn't notice you dropped... Here's what I typed when you were gone!) — Yeah, looks like my MB is the Asus M2N-E |
| [16:17:07] | Dubstar_04: | I thought it would be |
| [16:17:15] | Dubstar_04: | what do you think of the m3n? |
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| [16:21:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: Humm... looks good on the surface, only 2 pci slots, but lots of PCIe tuners are supported now... (reading more...) |
| [16:21:35] | GreyFoxx: | c |
| [16:21:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | d |
| [16:22:17] | Dubstar_04: | My mobo only supports 2xpci |
| [16:22:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: My old MB had 5 PCI slots... ;-) |
| [16:22:47] | Dubstar_04: | I'm planning on upgrading from nova-t's to 2xnova 500's |
| [16:23:41] | Dubstar_04: | Are you in the uk? |
| [16:24:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: nope, in the US. I was running a PVR-500, PVR-250, HD-3000 and HD-5500 in there... In my new box I'm currently just running the PVR-500 and a HD-Homerun for HD. |
| [16:25:19] | Dubstar_04: | Wow, thats a great potential for capture |
| [16:25:30] | Dubstar_04: | I'm in the uk |
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| [16:25:53] | Dubstar_04: | 2 x DVB cards = 4 programs |
| [16:26:11] | GreyFoxx: | You can do more depending on your source |
| [16:26:19] | GreyFoxx: | my 1 dvb card was doing 8 channels at once |
| [16:26:25] | Dubstar_04: | Ha ha |
| [16:26:29] | GreyFoxx: | multirec is a good thing |
| [16:26:39] | Dubstar_04: | amen |
| [16:26:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: I like this board because it's one of the few that I've found with 6 SATA ports... I'm running 6 500GB drives off of them in a software Raid5, for 2.4TB, and 2x 200GB drives off of a PCIe Raid1 card for my OS and SQL. |
| [16:26:56] | GreyFoxx: | I need to find a pvr500 and replace my pvr250's |
| [16:27:03] | GreyFoxx: | I want to trimdown the number of pci slots |
| [16:28:04] | Dubstar_04: | WHAT? |
| [16:28:26] | Dubstar_04: | I've only got one 750GB sata drive and thats never full!! |
| [16:28:37] | Dubstar_04: | Mental!! |
| [16:28:52] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:28:57] | GreyFoxx: | some of us store a lot of data :) |
| [16:29:16] | GreyFoxx: | we've got 3 TB in 2 file servers and thinking it's time to upgrade soon :) |
| [16:30:00] | Dubstar_04: | Never, i feel belittled by your stash!! |
| [16:30:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: And my system is small compared to some of the guys here! ;-) |
| [16:30:52] | GreyFoxx: | Recordings, videos, ripped DVD's to drive, photos, music, general file server, backups of various stuff, video from our camcorder, etc |
| [16:30:56] | GreyFoxx: | Gets bigg fastr :) |
| [16:31:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: /dev/md0 2.3T 2.3T 52G 98% /mnt/mythtv |
| [16:31:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: ^^^ time to expand, it's full now. ;-) |
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| [16:33:23] | Dubstar_04: | I delete things once i've watched it!! Nice and tidy |
| [16:33:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: Mythweb reports: 492 programs, using 1.9 TB (24 days 2 hrs 29 mins) out of 2.5 TB (144 GB free). (The rest is music or movies I moved over as 'videos') |
| [16:34:06] | Dubstar_04: | Stop it now or I will start thinking i need more storage!! |
| [16:34:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work could cancel his Dish network service and still be able to watch stuff he hasn't seen for a couple of months... ;-) ** | |
| [16:35:32] | Dubstar_04: | * JEFFS a show off!! |
| [16:35:37] | Dubstar_04: | ha h a |
| [16:36:13] | ** iamlindoro_ coughs softly ** | |
| [16:37:22] | Dubstar_04: | Jeff, how many frontends do you have>? |
| [16:38:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: At the moment, I'm using the backend as a frontend occasionally, and have a dedicated frontend in my bedroom, and my son is currently using a UPnP HD player. I had 3 frontends setup at one point, will be setting them back up soon... |
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| [16:39:33] | Dubstar_04: | Thats cool. |
| [16:39:41] | Dubstar_04: | I have a mythtv only house |
| [16:39:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: I've got my house cabelled with Cat5e, currently running Gigabit in the basement, but 100Mb for the rest of the house... |
| [16:39:51] | Dubstar_04: | everything runs myth |
| [16:40:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Dubstar_04: I've got a couple of boxes with M$ still on them, but my M$ deskop is an Athlon XP 2500+, whereas my myth systems are Athlon 64 X2's... ;-) |
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| [16:42:40] | tank-man: | one in the bathroom, wow |
| [16:43:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | tank-man: not that far-fetched... a friend of mine has a large bathroom with a whirlpool tub – he's got a 15" lcd with a sat feed to it... Just got to get him on Myth now... ;-) |
| [16:44:11] | GreyFoxx: | tank: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ |
| [16:44:28] | GreyFoxx: | That's a dude in #maemo |
| [16:44:44] | GreyFoxx: | It was hit wifes idea so he ran with it :) |
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| [16:44:57] | tank-man: | id be worried about condensation |
| [16:45:19] | ** sphery feels like he's scoring someone's multiple-choice test every time he reads the -users list. (And it's amazing how often the wrong answer is chosen and the right answer is ignored.) ** | |
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| [16:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: Ooh, NICE! ;-) Ok, that blows my freind's setup away... ;-) |
| [16:45:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:46:30] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: HA |
| [16:46:48] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Like I've said, they don't cae what's in the box, so long as it's wrapped up prety for them |
| [16:46:53] | iamlindoro_: | er care, pretty |
| [16:47:03] | sphery: | yeah. |
| [16:47:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | tank-man: Read the description under the picture... it's sealed off... |
| [16:47:40] | sphery: | Seems like most of the time, the right answer is a short and concise answer, but the answer the OP clings to is a longer answer with more "explanation," but is often wrong. |
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| [16:48:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders where he can find a wife like that... and what to do with his current one... :-O ** | |
| [16:48:18] | sphery: | So the wrong answer is wrapped up more prettily... |
| [16:49:03] | GreyFoxx: | I'm thinking of doing some renovations in my basement which is the main multimedia room. I just am not sure what to do down there. My wife basically leaves me along when it comes to the myth stuff since she benefits from it all :) |
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| [16:49:51] | sphery: | Gotta get those $10K luxury theater seats |
| [16:50:10] | Dagmar: | In-wall rope hooks |
| [16:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | hehe those I can't justify hehe but some inwall speakers |
| [16:50:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I'll be building a 'real' home theater in my basement in a couple of years — just need to save up for that nice 1080p Mitsubishi LCD projector... ;-) That, and clear the area out to use it as such (currently storage...) |
| [16:50:36] | GreyFoxx: | paint, movie posters in glass cases of our favourite movies |
| [16:50:49] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a 15inch touchscreen monitor doing nothing |
| [16:50:54] | sphery: | Now I'm jealous. We don't have basements here in Florida... :( |
| [16:50:59] | GreyFoxx: | so I might turn that into some sort of media controller |
| [16:51:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: If you did, they'd be known as an indoor swimming pool! ;-) |
| [16:51:19] | sphery: | lol |
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| [16:51:50] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I had a friend who got Theatre seats for free when a theatre was being scrapped, and reunholstered them with some cushy stuff-- looked and felt really nice and authentic |
| [16:51:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: And I should be jealous, you live in Flordia... I'm up in the Boston area... |
| [16:51:56] | iamlindoro_: | er reupholstered |
| [16:52:06] | GreyFoxx: | iam: Nice |
| [16:52:35] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, and it as an older theatre, too, so they were nicer quality than what current theatres have IMO |
| [16:52:54] | iamlindoro_: | As they were theatre-theatre seats and not movie theatre seats |
| [16:53:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Cool. I know a guy who spent way too much money (especially considering he didn't have anything like Myth--not even a Windows version) and bought 6 (I think) full price.. |
| [16:53:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I went to a movie last week, and the theater seats were huge and actualy reclined a couple of inches... Very comfortable, not expected at all! ;-) |
| [16:53:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It's eaaaaaaaasy to go overboard on the furnishings, since people charge so much for them and those guys hve more money than sense, often |
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| [16:53:58] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: this time of year, though, FL isn't necessarily the best place to be. Fay/Hanna/Gustav/Ike... :) |
| [16:54:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: perfect description of this guy, too (more money than sense) |
| [16:54:52] | sphery: | or would that be, "more cents than sense"? |
| [16:55:18] | GreyFoxx: | dammit, it's annoying when you a looking for the source to a library only to find nothing but packages for various other distros |
| [16:55:31] | sphery: | what lib? |
| [16:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | libzzip |
| [16:55:52] | GreyFoxx: | ooh, finally found it |
| [16:55:58] | GreyFoxx: | after 10 minutes of googling |
| [16:56:01] | sphery: | truly 2 z's? Not http://www.info-zip.org/ |
| [16:56:06] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, 2 |
| [16:56:10] | GreyFoxx: | http://zziplib.sourceforge.net/ |
| [16:56:10] | sphery: | hmmm. |
| [16:56:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sphery: Yeah, I was just thinking about asking how you were doing down there with the storms... |
| [16:56:22] | GreyFoxx: | found it as a link on some guys page heh |
| [16:56:49] | sphery: | I still remember trying to find the source to the file utility when the site had changed... Ever try a search for "file" on Google? |
| [16:57:22] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [16:58:05] | Dagmar: | Oh yes |
| [16:58:07] | Dagmar: | Heheheh |
| [16:58:20] | GreyFoxx: | I think I have actually |
| [16:58:22] | Dagmar: | Google is very good at finding files someone doesn't want you to see |
| [16:58:30] | sphery: | that's true, too |
| [16:58:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Try searching for anything with punctuation on Google, it strips it out, even if you put it in quotes... very annoying.... |
| [16:58:38] | Dagmar: | Excel spreadsheets in particular |
| [16:59:03] | Dagmar: | ...and social security numbers. |
| [16:59:10] | sphery: | I've heard that Google is becoming the world's greatest dictionary of encrypted passwords. |
| [16:59:19] | Dagmar: | Just a freakin' bout |
| [16:59:37] | sphery: | Do a search for the encrypted value, and you may find a page that has that value and either the original password or enough info to be able to guess it. |
| [16:59:57] | jams: | GreyFoxx- is dvd changer support going to make it into .22 ? |
| [17:00:28] | GreyFoxx: | Originally I would have said no, but since no talk of a release date has been made it just might |
| [17:00:39] | GreyFoxx: | in fact I'll open a trac ticket to start tracking my patches for it |
| [17:00:50] | sphery: | GreyFoxx is a glass half full person |
| [17:00:50] | Dagmar: | What's it change 'em into? |
| [17:01:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work 's DVD changer has been sitting idle for months, not because of lack of "official" support, but lack of room in my current 'server' space... ** | |
| [17:01:10] | GreyFoxx: | Butterflys |
| [17:01:17] | Dagmar: | OOooOOoo.... Nice. |
| [17:01:26] | sphery: | I was hoping for MythTransmutor--changes them to gold |
| [17:01:32] | Dagmar: | I'll notify the people at CuteOverload |
| [17:02:14] | jams: | awesome, |
| [17:02:37] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work second's jams' — AWESOME! ;-) ** | |
| [17:03:08] | GreyFoxx: | I've mainly been holding back all my patches for mythvideo with the major changes gbee is doing |
| [17:03:11] | jams: | J-e-f-f-A_- do you also have the Sony DVD changer ? |
| [17:03:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jams: yep. ;-) |
| [17:03:23] | GreyFoxx: | but I'll start converting them to use his new version |
| [17:03:24] | jams: | GreyFoxx- makes sense |
| [17:03:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: Gee, will I be able to load it full of blank DVDS and say "burn all to disc" ??? ;-) (Wouldn't that be nice?) |
| [17:04:05] | GreyFoxx: | no :) |
| [17:04:10] | GreyFoxx: | reading/playback only :) |
| [17:04:22] | jams: | mythui is nice, but not looking forward to converting my themes |
| [17:04:38] | jams: | maybe i can talk gbee into it =) |
| [17:04:53] | GreyFoxx: | he's going on vacation ;) |
| [17:05:17] | gbee: | jams: heh, I did for a short while consider writing a script which would automate a lot of the work |
| [17:05:26] | jams: | right, the perfect time to relax and do mindless xml work! |
| [17:05:29] | justinh: | heheh so did I |
| [17:05:40] | gbee: | would still need finishing by hand, depending on the theme, but would save a huge amount of time |
| [17:05:43] | justinh: | and fwiw it's not mindless :) |
| [17:05:55] | justinh: | just get busy with the regex |
| [17:06:29] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind if some is offloaded on me, just don't expect me to do everything |
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| [17:07:15] | jams: | i will get to it someday |
| [17:07:27] | gbee: | extents before:5224 after:1 DONE ino=5909 |
| [17:07:29] | jams: | my big concern is how mythvantage and mythsmolt convert to qt4 |
| [17:08:39] | ** justinh wonders if doggies are supposed to favour fruit over their own food ** | |
| [17:09:10] | Dagmar: | Dunno. My mom's got some chihuahuas who would kill you for a sack of baby carrots |
| [17:09:28] | Dagmar: | Some dogs clearly have never been informed they're supposed to be carnivores. |
| [17:09:55] | justinh: | we've yet to find a fruit rory doesn't like |
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| [17:10:23] | justinh: | since we don't own gasmasks though, we've stopped letting him have banana :) |
| [17:10:29] | andreax: | Hmm... Mine thinks a kiwi is a ball for carrying back to me... :) |
| [17:11:02] | Dagmar: | Yeah, carrots in moderation, too |
| [17:11:25] | justinh: | gbee: you picked a nice time to go away. I've cancelled my weekend clubbing trip. hate driving in nasty rain on motorways |
| [17:11:45] | Dagmar: | There's been days when the miniature chihuahua (yes, they do actually exist and are visible with the naked eye) would have some people calling in about WMDs |
| [17:11:59] | GreyFoxx: | holy sh*T http://www.engadgethd.com/photos/sony-shows-o . . . ega-changer/ |
| [17:12:07] | justinh: | I think I'll retire to my desktop tonight & see if multi-monitoring helps my code-fu any |
| [17:12:12] | GreyFoxx: | now if only there was linux blu-ray playback :) |
| [17:12:33] | justinh: | jus control it with a computer & use the output :) |
| [17:12:37] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok that one doesn't hook to a pc anyway |
| [17:12:44] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, weather could be better, but I think I'll just enjoy being somewhere else for a week |
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| [17:13:11] | justinh: | aye we had a a ball in cornwall despite the "one month of rain in a day, two days running" scenario |
| [17:13:18] | justinh: | or rather me & the dog did :D |
| [17:14:04] | gbee: | I don't really dislike rain, I'm happy to spend an entire day hiking in bad weather but it's going to put a dampner on the wildlife |
| [17:14:09] | ** justinh wonders where ubunuts keeps its crazy power saving settings ** | |
| [17:14:39] | ** gbee guesses it doesn't use the great kpowersave ** | |
| [17:15:01] | justinh: | weather never stops newcastle's wildlife ;) NYE a few years ago there were women out in bikini tops & hotpants despite there being 3 inches of snow on the ground |
| [17:15:11] | gbee: | heh |
| [17:16:29] | justinh: | there must be some kind of 'if playing video, max out the lcd backlight' setting |
| [17:16:36] | justinh: | cos that's what it's bloody doing |
| [17:17:18] | justinh: | oh that's crummy. no real control at all. I thought this was linux |
| [17:17:27] | justinh: | windows power applets have more optins than that |
| [17:18:07] | Dagmar: | Give it a bit, and then look into the HAL interface |
| [17:18:51] | Dagmar: | The LCD backlight applet just "mysteriously" started working on my vaio after a kernel upgrade that let the thing realize i had that control |
| [17:19:06] | Dagmar: | Some of the pieces for doing that are there, just not all yet. |
| [17:19:10] | Dagmar: | ...and not in all places. |
| [17:19:16] | gbee: | what's the app(let) called? |
| [17:19:19] | Dagmar: | My desktop panel has yet to get a looking at |
| [17:19:29] | justinh: | the bog-standard GNOME one |
| [17:19:40] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [17:19:47] | gbee: | eww |
| [17:19:55] | Dagmar: | There's a HAL interface to it which also manifests itself in /sys |
| [17:20:06] | gbee: | I like kpowersave personally |
| [17:20:11] | Dagmar: | It's about as complex to use as cpufreq controls, _once_ the machine knows it's there |
| [17:20:24] | Dagmar: | echo "blah" > /sys/devices/omg/long/control |
| [17:21:28] | Dagmar: | I would LIKE for the screen on the NetVista X41 to be supported, but apparently the hardware just doesn't do that anyway |
| [17:21:50] | Dagmar: | IBM got an email from me about the thickwittedness of that |
| [17:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | laga: FYI the myth packages at that repos misses "libqt4-sql-mysql" dependency |
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| [17:22:14] | laga: | iamlindoro_: thanks |
| [17:22:28] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Isn't that "traditional"? |
| [17:22:48] | justinh: | btw I noticed I missed a 'miffyteevee wif mouseys' act earlier.. wth was all that about? |
| [17:23:01] | laga: | Dagmar: ? |
| [17:24:14] | Dagmar: | laga: No one's ever bothered to put that dependency marker in before, judging by the number of people who manage to install MythTV and then come to us swearing up and down that the "No error message from QtMySQL... Strange?" means something *other* than "You have not installed the mysql bindings for Qt, shortbus" |
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| [17:24:39] | Dagmar: | ...so it would be a change from that long and noble tradition of building packages that cause the users to immediately go bother the crap out of people. |
| [17:25:17] | justinh: | Dagmar: there's that, but I think the vast majority of people who get that are just not reading helpful popups |
| [17:25:42] | justinh: | I suggested said popups are made to stay onscreen for a minute so they can't just be dismissed with a single click ;) |
| [17:26:39] | justinh: | 'that', meaning mysql problems. it's very rare that they've not got a mysql client lib installed |
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| [17:32:12] | laga: | Dagmar: libqt3-mt-mysql is in the dependencies for libmyth on ubuntu and it's been there for a while AFAIK. |
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| [17:33:37] | roothorick: | X forwarding over SSH for mythtv-setup didn't exactly work... it spewed all sorts of errors before finally displaying a setup screen full of character placeholder boxes |
| [17:34:34] | Dagmar: | Congratulations |
| [17:34:49] | Dagmar: | You've managed to do something really _weird_ with your configuration for X then. |
| [17:35:05] | Dagmar: | I've no idea how you get that to happen |
| [17:35:07] | roothorick: | stock Xorg on Gentoo with sane cflags |
| [17:35:37] | Dagmar: | I know the Gentoo people have been very proud of their USE flags, but no, that's nothing to do with the build configuration |
| [17:36:04] | roothorick: | err.... |
| [17:36:08] | roothorick: | you completely misunderstand USE flags then |
| [17:36:14] | Dagmar: | LOL |
| [17:36:34] | wagnerrp_: | woo! new memory |
| [17:36:43] | roothorick: | they change things *at compile time* |
| [17:36:44] | Dagmar: | Dude, if it's one thing I am _deeply_ familiar with, it's people's binary compile engines |
| [17:36:48] | wagnerrp_: | sadly, i dont actually have any other machines new enough to use the old memory |
| [17:37:01] | roothorick: | wagnerrp_: craigslist |
| [17:37:11] | Dagmar: | I'm the war criminal responsible for the giant pile of shell script that drives the Dropline build system. |
| [17:37:39] | Dagmar: | ...which I am, laughably enough, actually using right this moment to build more bits of GNOME. |
| [17:38:01] | roothorick: | wagnerrp_: regardless of its age you'll get something for it. SDRAM and DDR are in demand because they're by and large no longer produced, and DDR2 and DDR3 are obviously popular |
| [17:38:04] | wagnerrp_: | roothorick: whats the point, DDR2 is cheap as shit new, i might be able to get $15 off the old memory |
| [17:38:11] | Dagmar: | I need to shoot it and put it out of it's misery, but 2.0 isn't close to ready yet |
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| [17:38:39] | Dagmar: | For sure someone on CL will buy it off you |
| [17:39:07] | roothorick: | wagnerrp_: I dunno, someone coming to your door and giving you $15 for the RAM sounds like a pretty sweet deal |
| [17:39:11] | Dagmar: | Tell 'em when they come to pick it up that memtest86 will have finished at least one full run on it and you'll have no problems |
| [17:39:36] | Dagmar: | There's LOTS of people scrounging CL for RAM like that |
| [17:40:33] | wagnerrp_: | im trying to decide if i would ever use it in the future, considering DDR3 will probably be common by the next time i buy a new machine |
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| [17:42:30] | wagnerrp: | damned MSI boards |
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| [17:42:43] | wagnerrp: | they like to put the memory slots too close to the video cards |
| [17:42:51] | wagnerrp: | so you have to remove the video card to replace the memory |
| [17:43:12] | directhex: | too many people do that |
| [17:43:27] | directhex: | my main pet peeve with motherboard is northbridge fans, though |
| [17:43:33] | wagnerrp: | ive only ever experienced it on MSI |
| [17:43:59] | wagnerrp: | i accidentally broke off one of the clips on my sister's computer because of it |
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| [17:46:13] | roothorick: | I just wrote a shell script /bin/soundoff which contains "while(true); do echo -en \\a; done" |
| [17:46:30] | roothorick: | I probably could have picked a better name |
| [17:46:53] | roothorick: | can anyone guess why I made it? |
| [17:47:31] | wagnerrp: | a bout of temporary insanity? |
| [17:47:56] | roothorick: | if it's any of a hint, I run Gentoo... |
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| [17:48:24] | wagnerrp: | well my man page does not list '-e' as a valid argument to echo |
| [17:48:57] | roothorick: | really? What version of coreutils? |
| [17:49:13] | wagnerrp: | freebsd 7.0 |
| [17:49:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | fc8 has '-e'... |
| [17:49:31] | roothorick: | I guess the GNU version of echo has it as a special extension then |
| [17:49:38] | wagnerrp: | ah... backslashes |
| [17:49:52] | roothorick: | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?echo |
| [17:49:54] | roothorick: | that help any? |
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| [17:50:28] | wagnerrp: | i cannot recall any point during which using gentoo where i had to repeatedly press '\a' |
| [17:51:00] | roothorick: | look at linked manual page again |
| [17:51:13] | iamlindoro_: | IS it bigger than a breadbox? |
| [17:51:16] | ** iamlindoro_ loves 20 questions ** | |
| [17:52:57] | gbee: | \a alert (BEL) |
| [17:53:03] | wagnerrp: | you... want to annoy the shit out of someone at the local terminal? |
| [17:53:32] | gbee: | there is a fire and the fire alarm is broken? |
| [17:53:35] | roothorick: | actually the beep happens at my end of the terminal |
| [17:53:53] | roothorick: | ...if that makes any sense |
| [17:53:56] | gbee: | your alarm clock is broken |
| [17:53:58] | iamlindoro_: | It serves to punctuate the pain of using Gentoo? |
| [17:54:03] | roothorick: | hahahahahaha |
| [17:54:10] | wagnerrp: | well i figured you would access their X server, and pop up a new xterm running that function |
| [17:54:15] | roothorick: | allright, answer time |
| [17:54:31] | roothorick: | I have MythTV compiling in a terminal. I'm about to go take a nap while it compiles. |
| [17:54:48] | gbee: | I win |
| [17:54:59] | roothorick: | sure, you were close enough |
| [17:55:13] | wagnerrp: | i win |
| [17:55:23] | iamlindoro_: | I lose because I don't find compiling mythTV important enough to wake me from a nap |
| [17:55:32] | iamlindoro_: | actually, I win because I don't do that |
| [17:55:42] | wagnerrp: | you want to annoy the shit out of YOURSELF at the local terminal |
| [17:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | I think we can agree that all of us not rigging up such a mechanism are winners |
| [17:56:24] | wagnerrp: | agreed |
| [17:58:51] | gbee: | I'm not sharing my prize |
| [17:59:23] | iamlindoro_: | You figured it out, you're just as crazy as he is |
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| [18:00:11] | gbee: | err, umm, doh! |
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| [18:02:09] | gbee: | first thing I do on my systems is disable the system speaker |
| [18:03:06] | roothorick: | I like my system speaker :/ |
| [18:04:11] | iamlindoro_: | many new cases don't even come with one-- and I like that :) |
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| [18:05:01] | roothorick: | that has a lot to do with motherboards coming with it embedded in the board now |
| [18:05:07] | wagnerrp: | i only have ONE case that actually has a speaker |
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| [18:05:35] | wagnerrp: | out of... 9 laying around the house |
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| [18:56:18] | roothorick: | well, that didn't work |
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| [18:57:36] | roothorick: | what font does myth-setup try to use anyhow? |
| [18:58:13] | directhex: | something in msttcorefonts |
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| [18:59:42] | gbee: | depends on theme |
| [19:00:13] | roothorick: | gbee: seeing as I'm trying to run myth-setup I'd say I'm using the default theme |
| [19:00:24] | gbee: | justinh and I are trying to gradually ween off MS fonts |
| [19:00:48] | gbee: | roothorick: can't make that assumption :) In which case GANT requires Arial |
| [19:01:09] | roothorick: | is it possible the problem is the SSH client is missing Arial? |
| [19:01:45] | directhex: | no, because an ssh client can't display graphical apps like mythtv |
| [19:01:58] | directhex: | and only has one font – your console font |
| [19:02:02] | roothorick: | not the SSH client binary itself |
| [19:02:08] | roothorick: | the system that's SSHing into the Myth backend |
| [19:02:21] | roothorick: | I'm using X forwarding here |
| [19:02:21] | directhex: | no, the app is rendered remotely |
| [19:02:30] | Dagmar: | I'm still baffled |
| [19:02:31] | roothorick: | so the problem is remote |
| [19:02:46] | Dagmar: | MAYBE there's something in the error messages that would explain why it couldn't find a whole BOATLOAD of glyphs |
| [19:02:47] | gbee: | yup |
| [19:02:58] | roothorick: | I'll pastebin it up |
| [19:03:02] | Dagmar: | I've been thinking about it since he mentioned it |
| [19:03:07] | Dagmar: | The "Congratulations" was not facetious |
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| [19:03:22] | Dagmar: | You have *excellent* "hard problem"/ |
| [19:04:02] | Dagmar: | Seems like *something* is making it completely lose it's mind about the charset when it does the remote display |
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| [19:04:18] | Dagmar: | You're not using a standalone font server are you? |
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| [19:04:44] | Dagmar: | I know RH used to like to spawn xft (IIRC) by itself so it could basically thread parallel to X |
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| [19:04:56] | forrestv: | is there a way to query is mythtv is currently displaying video? |
| [19:05:00] | forrestv: | or playing audio? |
| [19:05:04] | forrestv: | *if |
| [19:05:06] | Dagmar: | Gind of "ghetto" SMP support but it usually didn't _break_ |
| [19:05:13] | Dagmar: | s/Gind/Kind/; |
| [19:05:36] | Dagmar: | forrestv: Far as I know there's no way to poll what a frontend is doing |
| [19:06:01] | Dagmar: | You could probably write something to watch the backend logs and keep track of what it's doing, tho'. |
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| [19:06:47] | Dagmar: | It's pretty chatty about when frontends connect and when they disconnect |
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| [19:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | anyone know of any open US based proxies? I'm trying to check out amazons new video on demand service , (the free samples) , and it's bitching that my IP is not in the US :) |
| [19:09:41] | roothorick: | http://rafb.net/p/hMlCgk38.html |
| [19:09:51] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: check yer msg window |
| [19:10:00] | roothorick: | there's the whole mess |
| [19:10:13] | GreyFoxx: | thanks |
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| [19:11:07] | Dagmar: | roothorick: Wow. You know... |
| [19:11:23] | Dagmar: | I do believe we were talking about what exactly "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." means earlier |
| [19:11:33] | Dagmar: | This, "blackbeard roothorick # mythtv-setup |
| [19:11:33] | Dagmar: | X Error: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) 5 |
| [19:11:33] | Dagmar: | Major opcode: 20 |
| [19:11:33] | Dagmar: | Minor opcode: 0 |
| [19:11:33] | Dagmar: | Resource id: 0x10b |
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| [19:12:24] | gbee: | heh |
| [19:12:51] | gbee: | roothorick: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' |
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| [19:13:14] | roothorick: | after initializing the database I got a very different result, but I still got oodles of boxes |
| [19:13:24] | Dagmar: | @#$@! I've no idea WTF happened with that. I'm still looking at the single highlighted line in the pastebin |
| [19:13:46] | ** Dagmar pastes in a vim to see if it happens again ** | |
| [19:13:54] | Dagmar: | Okay, "Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "localhost:10.0". |
| [19:13:58] | Dagmar: | That's no good. |
| [19:14:09] | roothorick: | isn't that part of the extmod module? |
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| [19:15:27] | Dagmar: | I've no idea which 'package' Gentoo puts it in |
| [19:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like we need MOAR CFLAGZ |
| [19:16:02] | roothorick: | *facepalm* |
| [19:16:02] | iamlindoro_: | emerge MOAR |
| [19:16:07] | directhex: | i prescribe 50 cc of -funroll-loops |
| [19:16:21] | directhex: | and a full -O7otomy |
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| [19:16:45] | iamlindoro_: | --enable-debian-derision |
| [19:16:47] | roothorick: | leonard roothorick # grep CFLAGS /etc/make.conf |
| [19:16:47] | roothorick: | CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon -mtune=athlon-xp -pipe -fno-omit-frame-pointer" |
| [19:16:51] | roothorick: | for the record... |
| [19:17:03] | roothorick: | wait that's not the myth machine |
| [19:17:05] | iamlindoro_: | take a valium, Mr. sensitive |
| [19:17:22] | Dagmar: | It's _probably_ named 'xinput' |
| [19:17:30] | roothorick: | CFLAGS="-O3 -march=athlon -pipe" |
| [19:17:46] | Dagmar: | The CFLAGS would seriously have zero effect on this unless one of them made the build for xinput bomb and not tell you about it |
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| [19:17:54] | iamlindoro_: | jesus, clever, dustybin and this guy need to go to a room called #paste-freely |
| [19:17:57] | roothorick: | let me try something |
| [19:18:19] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: After having to re-ssh and kill -9 my client I ain't sayin' nothing |
| [19:18:27] | iamlindoro_: | Those are the last words a redneck ever hears |
| [19:18:43] | Dagmar: | No, that's "Hey ya'll, watch this" |
| [19:19:04] | Dagmar: | You have it confused with an MIT freshman |
| [19:19:04] | directhex: | stay back... i'm trying SCIENCE |
| [19:19:58] | hatlevip: | forrestv, if you go through the telnet interface you can query the current screen the frontend is on |
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| [19:20:29] | hatlevip: | forrestv, by typing query location looks like |
| [19:20:35] | roothorick: | that did away with the X errors |
| [19:20:41] | roothorick: | still got lots o' boxes |
| [19:21:00] | Dagmar: | roothorick: Are you *sure* you've got the database right? ...and that "Strange..." error is gone? |
| [19:21:22] | Dagmar: | If it gets a bunch of crazy-talk back from the SQL server, it's probably going to use "god knows what" for a font |
| [19:21:33] | roothorick: | look for yourself |
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| [19:21:34] | roothorick: | http://rafb.net/p/Q8WwQI23.html |
| [19:21:59] | Dagmar: | Hmm... so it's still in "broken X" space then |
| [19:22:20] | roothorick: | XInput was present, but SSH was denying access to it |
| [19:22:31] | Dagmar: | Did you maybe do something unusual with a Qt rc file setting? |
| [19:22:45] | roothorick: | qt is straight-out-of-portage with no customizations |
| [19:22:45] | iamlindoro_: | The important thing is better living through emerging, and who needs' myth when you.re .0048 percent faster? |
| [19:22:49] | Dagmar: | You hopefully have the same set of *fonts* on both machines |
| [19:22:51] | Dagmar: | hint hint |
| [19:23:02] | roothorick: | I have no idea... |
| [19:23:06] | laga: | eg msttcorefonts or some free substitue |
| [19:23:12] | laga: | substitute* |
| [19:23:36] | Dagmar: | because basically... you only see those numbered placeholders when X has been told to render a glyph it doesn't have |
| [19:23:41] | roothorick: | there doesn't appear to be any font packages installed on the Myth backend |
| [19:23:59] | Dagmar: | That can happen from it being told a charset a font can't deal with, or if the font is missing outright |
| [19:26:03] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: you tried the r6168 driver? |
| [19:26:27] | roothorick: | Hah! |
| [19:26:36] | roothorick: | the MS core fonts were missing entirely on the Myth backend |
| [19:26:39] | roothorick: | and that was exactly the problem |
| [19:26:54] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Do you mean 8168? |
| [19:26:57] | roothorick: | Gentoo, you have failed me |
| [19:26:58] | Dagmar: | Now perhaps you see why people tend to sneer at Gentoo users who bring up USE flags. :/ |
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| [19:27:27] | Dagmar: | Probably better than half the time it's something missing that everyone else would have already just there |
| [19:27:28] | roothorick: | this wasn't a USE flag thing though... |
| [19:27:36] | gbee: | we hear that a lot in here |
| [19:27:38] | Dagmar: | I know, but it's the first thing you brought up |
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| [19:29:21] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: right, 8168 instead of the 8169 which is built into the kernel |
| [19:31:25] | directhex: | [19:58] <directhex> something in msttcorefonts |
| [19:31:31] | directhex: | half a fucking hour! |
| [19:31:48] | laga: | hahaha |
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| [19:34:38] | roothorick: | it's what I get for assuming portage would pull in everything required :/ |
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| [19:35:39] | directhex: | yes, that was a stupid assumption. the point of portage is that it doesn't do useful things by default |
| [19:35:56] | directhex: | because why would a computer do tiresom things like tracking requirements when a human can do it? |
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| [19:46:11] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I started playing with it last night but I had a long day and just ended up leaving it for the time being |
| [19:46:38] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Will look more at it tonight, but I managed to reboot the system and have it not come back up a few minutes ago so I get to go home and find out what's up with that :) |
| [19:47:35] | abqjp: | The 2.6.26.3 kernel includes a patch for the 6169 driver which fixes the sporadic detection of that NIC during boot. don't know about the 6168 driver. |
| [19:47:55] | abqjp: | That fix is new to .3 it was not there in .2 |
| [19:48:30] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Interesting-- I'm running 2.6.24 on that system and I'm in no terrible rush to upgrade-- While 4xNICs is a nice to have, it's hardly essential so I can wait on the driver to mature/improve |
| [19:48:55] | abqjp: | http://userweb.kernel.org/~romieu/r8169/2.6.2 . . . L_GIGA.patch |
| [19:50:10] | xand: | can I run mythtranscode on a machine that's not the backend? |
| [19:50:17] | xand: | (but has access to the db and files) |
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| [19:51:05] | wagnerrp: | any backend machine will run transcodes if you allow it |
| [19:51:47] | xand: | but I have to install the backend and connect it to the other one? |
| [19:51:56] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [19:52:06] | xand: | hm |
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| [19:52:37] | wagnerrp: | the backend manages the tasks, there is no mechanism to simply ssh into a machine and run the jobs (unless of course you write your own user job) |
| [19:53:24] | wagnerrp: | its like any other batch manager, you have to have a daemon running on the machine you want to run the job on |
| [19:53:27] | xand: | well, I can ssh to my backend and run mythtranscode on a particular file... why does it need the backend to do that? |
| [19:53:41] | Dagmar: | Because the backend is what's serving it the data |
| [19:53:41] | wagnerrp: | just to monitor things |
| [19:54:09] | wagnerrp: | even if you have file access? |
| [19:54:14] | justinh: | re the font situation – if anybody has suggestions for anything which looks similar enough to Arial & doesn't look like it was kerned by a 10 year old... |
| [19:54:24] | Dagmar: | Not 100% sure but the log output seems to imply it |
| [19:54:24] | xand: | eh? |
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| [19:54:45] | Dagmar: | justinh: Kerning is for people who can't handle square letters. |
| [19:54:50] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I rather like Verdana, but non-free |
| [19:54:51] | xand: | I don't care about monitoring it... I just want to transcode the files to be smaller and so they have proper headers etc |
| [19:55:10] | wagnerrp: | so whats the problem with running a slave backend on the machine you want to transcode with? |
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| [19:55:31] | xand: | well I can... how does it get the files to transcode? |
| [19:55:41] | xand: | I've never setup a second backend |
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| [19:55:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently it pushes the file through the other backend |
| [19:56:02] | wagnerrp: | same way a secondary frontend gets the files |
| [19:56:06] | xand: | I see |
| [19:56:32] | wagnerrp: | ive never used it, so i dont know if thats actually the case |
| [19:56:42] | wagnerrp: | either way, its trivial to give NFS access to the files |
| [19:57:01] | xand: | I know, that's what I do... they aren't actually on the backend |
| [19:57:26] | xand: | I'd get mythtv to transcode them after recording but can't get it to actually work |
| [19:57:31] | xand: | hmm |
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| [19:58:37] | xand: | hm |
| [19:58:40] | xand: | 2008-09–05 20:58:16.956 Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set |
| [19:58:50] | wagnerrp: | i need to fix my backend... it stopped responding some time this morning |
| [19:58:54] | wagnerrp: | the whole machine did, rather |
| [19:58:54] | xand: | oops |
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| [19:59:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, it stopped responding around 12:35pm. right after my dad complained about it not working |
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| [19:59:57] | wagnerrp: | suspicious... |
| [19:59:57] | xand: | after |
| [19:59:58] | xand: | ? |
| [20:00:51] | xand: | argh mythtv-setup is running in lets-get-the-colors-wrong mode |
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| [20:01:04] | iamlindoro_: | NTSC? |
| [20:01:06] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [20:01:17] | xand: | no it's DVI |
| [20:01:50] | xand: | when I move the move pointer over its window the whole X display's colors go... weird |
| [20:01:56] | iamlindoro_: | Can't decide if the cluelessness makes my joke funnier or less fun |
| [20:02:14] | xand: | I got your joke but it wasn't funny |
| [20:02:47] | iamlindoro_: | Sure ya did |
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| [20:16:03] | xand: | what am I meant to do to fix this? http://pastebin.ca/1195156 |
| [20:16:12] | xand: | when trying to transcode anything |
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| [20:17:28] | xand: | running mythtranscode manually does work |
| [20:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah, the boss is letting me leave work 1–1/2 hrs early... ;-) ttyl guys! ;-) |
| [20:18:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work doesn't have to be told twice!!!! Screech..... (out of the parking lot) ** | |
| [20:19:28] | xand: | hmm |
| [20:19:35] | xand: | it's a bug |
| [20:20:08] | xand: | you have to go to the autodetect mpeg2 profile settings, then it works (Without changing anything) |
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| [20:38:57] | directhex: | oh god i forgot how great this rum is |
| [20:39:44] | Andrew_Barber__: | i tried ripping a dvd in myth and the video doesn't fill the screen |
| [20:39:51] | Andrew_Barber__: | it occupies a square in the middle |
| [20:41:18] | Dagmar: | So press 'w' a few times |
| [20:42:04] | Andrew_Barber__: | i thought that changed resolution, but it just brought up P[-----------------] |
| [20:42:08] | Andrew_Barber__: | like a progress bar |
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| [20:43:27] | directhex: | user error |
| [20:43:36] | directhex: | you've got video playback happening using mplayer |
| [20:43:39] | iamlindoro_: | FAIL, user use mplayer |
| [20:43:44] | directhex: | and mplayer isn't configured right |
| [20:43:57] | directhex: | add "zoom" to your mplayer config file |
| [20:44:17] | iamlindoro_: | Or even better, use Internal |
| [20:44:18] | Dagmar: | ...or to the mplayer invocation |
| [20:44:27] | Dagmar: | Internal (capital I) FTW |
| [20:44:46] | iamlindoro_: | Myth will take both as of .21 (internal/Internal) |
| [20:44:51] | Dagmar: | Good |
| [20:45:01] | Andrew_Barber__: | i always wonder whose advice i should take when i get different advice |
| [20:45:11] | directhex: | it's all correct |
| [20:45:17] | iamlindoro_: | We all agree with one another |
| [20:45:33] | directhex: | all three answers are right, because they all solve the core problem that you are using misconfigured mplayer |
| [20:45:37] | Dagmar: | You should re-read more carefully when you think you're getting different advice. |
| [20:45:39] | iamlindoro_: | Normally I would say "whichever makes you happy" |
| [20:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | but more often I mean "whichever you are least likely to break in the future" |
| [20:45:58] | Andrew_Barber__: | sorry dagmar, i thought someone advocated for using mplayer |
| [20:45:59] | Dagmar: | Your problem is you have failed to correctly configure MPLayer |
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| [20:46:17] | Dagmar: | If you are going to use MPlayer you *must* tell it to zoom the video because it won't by default. |
| [20:46:31] | Dagmar: | Superior to that would be to just use Myth's internal player |
| [20:46:42] | Andrew_Barber__: | done |
| [20:46:44] | Andrew_Barber__: | thanks |
| [20:47:01] | Andrew_Barber__: | oh, while i'm here... |
| [20:47:06] | smehmood: | Will an ATSC tuner work with analog cable? that is what most providers give if they don't call it "digital cable" right? |
| [20:47:21] | Andrew_Barber__: | i tried the apple trailer "plug in" |
| [20:47:33] | directhex: | smehmood, no |
| [20:47:37] | Andrew_Barber__: | and am not getting the titles to disply in the menu |
| [20:47:40] | roothorick: | smehmood: it needs to support some variant of NTSC or PAL, precisely what depends on where you live |
| [20:47:42] | Dagmar: | ATSC != NTSC analog |
| [20:47:49] | Andrew_Barber__: | but the script is dl'ing the videos |
| [20:47:51] | iamlindoro_: | and ATSC != QAM for that matter |
| [20:48:18] | smehmood: | so if I have an ATSC tuner and an analog signal.. what options do I have? do converters exist? |
| [20:48:23] | smehmood: | *I like in the US |
| [20:48:35] | iamlindoro_: | an ATSC tuner will work with Over-the-air, the end. An ATSC/QAM tuner will work with digital OTA or QAM, the end.... an ATSC/QAM/NTSC tuner will work with OTA, QAM, and analog. |
| [20:48:40] | roothorick: | smehmood: what card specifically? |
| [20:49:02] | iamlindoro_: | no, there are no consumer converters for analog to ATSC. |
| [20:49:43] | iamlindoro_: | and once again, a straight ATSC card will never work with ANY Cable system, period. |
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| [20:49:53] | iamlindoro_: | an ATSC/QAM tuner, however, will. |
| [20:49:57] | roothorick: | just-ATSC cards are fairly rare though |
| [20:50:05] | iamlindoro_: | roothorick: no, they're not at all. |
| [20:50:17] | smehmood: | well, this is actually for one of those LCD computer monitors that doubles as a TV. it seems to have only an ATSC tuner. I asked here because when I was setting up my myth box, this place had the most knowledgeable people about TV signals |
| [20:50:21] | iamlindoro_: | Kworld ATSC 120, Hauppauge HVR-950, etc., etc. |
| [20:51:06] | roothorick: | smehmood: all I can say is try it. If it's not picking up your analog channels where a real analog TV picks them up just fine it probably doesn't support the requisite NTSC. |
| [20:51:32] | smehmood: | roothorick: I guess ill have to. the thing I wanted to know before I bought it, but I should be able to return it if it doesn't work. |
| [20:51:52] | roothorick: | smehmood: ask the salesman whether it does NTSC. Easy peasy. |
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| [20:52:30] | Andrew_Barber__: | dagmar/iamlindoro: i changed to player to "Internal", but now i can't open movies from my media library |
| [20:53:03] | Andrew_Barber__: | is it the commands after "Internal"? |
| [20:53:11] | iamlindoro_: | There should be no commands after internal |
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| [20:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | Silly goose, did you think Internal took mplayer command lines? |
| [20:53:35] | Andrew_Barber__: | oh, okay...i thought they were preferences for the video |
| [20:53:37] | Andrew_Barber__: | lol |
| [20:53:39] | Andrew_Barber__: | i did |
| [20:54:30] | ** iamlindoro_ struggles to wrap his head around "preferences for the video" ** | |
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| [20:54:40] | ** iamlindoro_ fails, drinks another soda. ** | |
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| [20:55:56] | Andrew_Barber__: | is it so wrong to think internal might accept those commands like mplayer? :-) |
| [20:56:04] | iamlindoro_: | yes. |
| [20:56:17] | Andrew_Barber__: | fair enough |
| [20:56:21] | iamlindoro_: | Does cp accept the same command line arguments as emacs? |
| [20:56:46] | iamlindoro_: | Can you watch a video with your text editor? |
| [20:57:13] | iamlindoro_: | Can you make toast with a bicycle pump? |
| [20:57:17] | directhex: | with emacs, anything is possible |
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| [20:59:37] | Mousey: | i hate the cable industry |
| [20:59:40] | ** Mousey stabs them ** | |
| [20:59:52] | iamlindoro_: | Someone just found out he can't capture all his HD channels |
| [21:00:20] | ** sphery stabbed them by not subscribing ** | |
| [21:00:42] | sphery: | Try to sell me garbage, and I'll happily decline. |
| [21:05:25] | roothorick: | old Dell servers are HEAVY |
| [21:06:41] | ** Mousey agrees ** | |
| [21:07:15] | Mousey: | iamlindoro, no i don't care about HD. i just want my regular digital channels.. which apparently means fail |
| [21:07:39] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [21:07:51] | iamlindoro_: | You can haz network TV unecnrypted, the end |
| [21:07:55] | iamlindoro_: | er unencrypted |
| [21:08:00] | roothorick: | frickin PowerEdge servers... you can use them as boat anchors, easily |
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| [21:09:56] | Mousey: | roothorick, not really. they kill fish |
| [21:10:02] | Dagmar: | Actual boat anchors are made more sturdily |
| [21:10:24] | roothorick: | Mousey: hahahahaha, good point |
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| [21:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: So, made the plunge yet? http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Two-Disc-S . . . p/B000NTPDT6 |
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| [21:19:46] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: You'll also be pleased to hear that there is good progress on BD+ decryption ;) |
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| [21:20:46] | directhex: | iamlindoro, by slysoft, or in nice open-source lib form? |
| [21:21:18] | oobe: | hey i set up my recordings to automatically commflag then transcode but only commflag runs what am i doing wrong? |
| [21:21:31] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: the latter |
| [21:21:38] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Slysoft already has it beat |
| [21:22:03] | directhex: | iamlindoro, how about aacs? we still have no libdeaacs |
| [21:22:39] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: decrypthd.org |
| [21:22:42] | iamlindoro_: | (if it's still up) |
| [21:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | but the library itself exists |
| [21:23:37] | iamlindoro_: | http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-126570.html |
| [21:23:46] | iamlindoro_: | That's re: AACs done by libaacs |
| [21:23:50] | iamlindoro_: | and the BD+ stuff is here: |
| [21:23:57] | iamlindoro_: | http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-140571.html |
| [21:40:10] | oobe: | is my question not specifc enough? |
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| [22:17:13] | roothorick: | a useful tool for testing whether my capture card is working correctly, anyone? xawtv doesn't work with X forwarding apparently |
| [22:18:17] | skerit: | kaffeine? I *just* used it to test my dvb-s card using x forwarding |
| [22:18:49] | roothorick: | I was thinking just a quick program to capture a little, maybe encode, and write to disk |
| [22:19:18] | roothorick: | I don't think kaffeine will like running through SSH anyway |
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| [22:19:37] | skerit: | Hmm, don't know any others actually. |
| [22:19:55] | skerit: | Oh, it worked very well over here, video worked great |
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| [22:23:14] | frog_: | anyone know a way to reboot a cable box with lirc? |
| [22:25:27] | iamlindoro: | It's doubtful that your cable box takes anything more than a "soft" poweroff via IR |
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| [22:26:05] | frog_: | yeah thats what i am finding out. so am looking for some kind of a trick |
| [22:26:25] | iamlindoro: | That's what I'm saying, there won't be a trick, and even if there *was*, it would be extremely model specific |
| [22:26:33] | frog_: | i know it has rebooted before when it gets confused... so maybe if i just overload it with IR commands ;) |
| [22:26:53] | iamlindoro: | ah, the "jiggle the handle" approach |
| [22:27:29] | frog_: | i managed to get into the diagnostics menu with lirc but nothign in there to reboot it either |
| [22:28:19] | frog_: | my last resort is to buy one of those on/off IR switches that you can turn off lamps with a remote |
| [22:28:36] | iamlindoro: | Why would you need to reboot the box so often? |
| [22:30:15] | frog_: | to get firewire to kick in again |
| [22:30:29] | frog_: | i want to be able to do it remotely from work |
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| [22:35:27] | jokeinthe: | how do i get knoppmyth to boot in tv-out mode |
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| [22:35:53] | jokeinthe: | and how do i transfer videos from a windows machine to the mythtv |
| [22:36:29] | iamlindoro: | ask in #knoppmyth |
| [22:36:40] | jokeinthe: | no help there |
| [22:36:51] | iamlindoro: | We certainly don't know knoppmyth any better :) |
| [22:37:01] | jokeinthe: | its not exclusive to knoppmyth |
| [22:37:10] | iamlindoro: | And it's also not a Mythtv question |
| [22:37:12] | iamlindoro: | (either of them) |
| [22:37:13] | jokeinthe: | just how do i boot in tv-out mode with whatever OS knoppmyth uses |
| [22:37:21] | iamlindoro: | it uses linux. |
| [22:38:01] | iamlindoro: | And there's no TV out "mode" per se, you would need to properly set up your xorg.conf configuration file, which is a job for #knoppix or #knoppmyth |
| [22:38:18] | oobe: | jokeinthe, your better off using a monitor to install the cd then setup tv out |
| [22:38:19] | iamlindoro: | as this channel is concerned with supporting #mythtv, not the underlying OS |
| [22:38:27] | jokeinthe: | i already have everything set up |
| [22:38:33] | jokeinthe: | and i can get it on the TV |
| [22:38:41] | jokeinthe: | it just wont boot with that |
| [22:39:37] | wagnerrp: | frog_: you can always rig up a serial port relay, probably a bit cheaper than an IR one |
| [22:42:36] | kormoc: | jokeinthe, Depending on your video card, you might not be able to |
| [22:42:44] | jokeinthe: | boot into tvout? |
| [22:42:49] | kormoc: | yes |
| [22:42:55] | jokeinthe: | because i have tvout working fine |
| [22:43:22] | kormoc: | well, if it's working fine, problem solved then. Yay |
| [22:43:25] | wagnerrp: | boot up the machine with no monitors attached (only the video out) |
| [22:43:31] | wagnerrp: | if that doesnt work, theres nothing else you can do |
| [22:43:45] | jokeinthe: | kormoc- theres a difference between not booting in tvout and tvout working fine |
| [22:44:08] | jokeinthe: | anyways, how do i xfer video files from a windows machine to mythtv? |
| [22:44:11] | roothorick: | jokeinthe: what video chipset? |
| [22:44:23] | kormoc: | I consider part of working fine is you know, working in the setup |
| [22:44:45] | wagnerrp: | scp, ftp, cifs, USB hard drive, flash drive, .... pick your poison |
| [22:45:11] | jokeinthe: | nvidia |
| [22:45:15] | kormoc: | floppys, blinken lights, serial modems... |
| [22:45:15] | jokeinthe: | 8400gs |
| [22:45:18] | wagnerrp: | there are A SHIT TON of methods to copy a file from one computer to another |
| [22:45:31] | jokeinthe: | over a network |
| [22:45:43] | wagnerrp: | an 8400gs should default to TV out if there are no monitors detected |
| [22:45:52] | wagnerrp: | but as i said, if it doesnt, theres nothing you can do |
| [22:45:56] | kormoc: | jokeinthe, three of the ways wagnerrp mentioned were network based |
| [22:46:05] | jokeinthe: | ty wagnerrp |
| [22:46:08] | wagnerrp: | scp, ftp, cifs (windows file sharing) |
| [22:46:19] | roothorick: | NFS3 is also an option |
| [22:46:29] | roothorick: | or more obscure network filesystems like Coda or Andrew |
| [22:46:33] | jokeinthe: | a couple of years ago i could just copy and paste :( |
| [22:46:38] | wagnerrp: | not really, nfs client/servers are not so common on windows |
| [22:46:45] | wagnerrp: | some with coda and AFS |
| [22:46:46] | jokeinthe: | does mythtv have a ftp running by default |
| [22:46:52] | wagnerrp: | s/some/same/ |
| [22:47:05] | roothorick: | jokeinthe: not between machines you couldn't |
| [22:47:13] | kormoc: | jokeinthe, mythtv is just an application, not a distro, so it wouldn't make sense for it to have a ftp service, would it? |
| [22:47:34] | jokeinthe: | when i was using it a couple of years ago, i could copy and paste (from my windows machine) |
| [22:47:49] | wagnerrp: | that wasnt mythtv's doing |
| [22:48:03] | wagnerrp: | that was the fault of whatever distro you happened to install setting up samba by default |
| [22:48:23] | wagnerrp: | search for samba howto's |
| [22:48:48] | jokeinthe: | ty |
| [22:49:26] | jokeinthe: | what does it usually prompt for when you type "su" |
| [22:49:42] | jokeinthe: | i cant read the msg on my tv |
| [22:49:43] | kormoc: | the root password |
| [22:49:48] | jokeinthe: | k |
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| [23:09:16] | oobe: | if i make my own mythtransode command and want to add it to user jobs what do i put on the end as a variable file% ? |
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| [23:09:46] | roothorick: | mythfrontend appears to be hanging while querying MySQL |
| [23:10:57] | roothorick: | yeah... a whole lot of nothing going on |
| [23:11:21] | gbee: | strace |
| [23:15:28] | roothorick: | appears to be hanging when connect()ing to mysql... |
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| [23:21:16] | jokeinthe: | the mythtv screen setup wizard won't save the settings :/ |
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| [23:30:09] | dustybin: | wow i done a E, havent done one of these for years, this is weird shit |
| [23:30:38] | dustybin: | im watching BBC earth / nature thingy on E |
| [23:30:43] | dustybin: | this is mind blowing :-) |
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| [23:34:17] | kormoc: | dustybin, e does tend to blow minds |
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| [23:35:01] | dustybin: | indeed :-) |
| [23:35:54] | kormoc: | dustybin, just be sure to drink lots of water to flush the system before you get too many toxins for your liver to scrub |
| [23:35:58] | iamlindoro: | You are fucking retarded |
| [23:36:05] | iamlindoro: | That is all. |
| [23:36:25] | dustybin: | im drinking beer with it |
| [23:36:45] | kormoc: | hrm, well, least you'll die in style! |
| [23:36:50] | dustybin: | e is pretty harmless |
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| [23:36:58] | dustybin: | far more deaths per year on alcohol |
| [23:37:08] | kormoc: | Depends on the dosage |
| [23:37:15] | iamlindoro: | By that token, falling anvils are safe |
| [23:37:16] | kormoc: | most people tend to underdose |
| [23:37:18] | dustybin: | and e doesnt damage the brain as the government made you think |
| [23:37:29] | kormoc: | Depends on what else you're on ;) |
| [23:37:46] | dustybin: | dosage = like everything else, if you eat fried food 24.7 you will die |
| [23:37:54] | dustybin: | if you do drugs 24.7 you will die |
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| [23:38:20] | iamlindoro: | Now I know why you live in your sister's house |
| [23:38:38] | dustybin: | why? |
| [23:38:53] | dustybin: | i live in my sisters house because i was one of the lucky ones not to get into big debt |
| [23:39:14] | dustybin: | no mortgage, no kids, no debts |
| [23:39:21] | kormoc: | dustybin, if you're on a serotonin reducer, MDMA can really screw with you when you come down |
| [23:39:21] | dustybin: | and now no job either :-) |
| [23:39:33] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [23:39:38] | iamlindoro: | Yes, you're lucky indeed |
| [23:39:40] | directhex: | i only know one irc hero who died from a "drugs are safe!" overdone |
| [23:39:43] | dustybin: | i dont take any meds at all |
| [23:39:46] | directhex: | but don't let death ruin your high |
| [23:39:47] | iamlindoro: | you should |
| [23:40:04] | dustybin: | to hell with death, read up on the amount of people who have died on E |
| [23:40:06] | oobe: | i went to mythtv-setup and told it to autotranscode recording and auto commflag but its only commflagging mythtransode does not appear in my job queue at all its driving me crazy how do i fix this |
| [23:40:54] | iamlindoro: | directhex, go to dustybin's house and beat him with a clawhammer. Future limey generations will thank you. |
| [23:41:14] | dustybin: | :P |
| [23:41:32] | directhex: | tech was an hero. and now he's rotting in the ground |
| [23:41:35] | directhex: | sunrise, sunset |
| [23:41:44] | dustybin: | who tech |
| [23:42:02] | directhex: | tech was http://tech.unixcode.net/ |
| [23:42:02] | iamlindoro: | me iamlindoro |
| [23:42:07] | iamlindoro: | you dustybin |
| [23:42:09] | directhex: | and he wuved his drugs |
| [23:42:17] | AndyCap: | then there's ripper |
| [23:42:47] | dustybin: | im no way a druggie |
| [23:42:56] | dustybin: | this is a me |
| [23:42:57] | dustybin: | http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/dustybin.jpg |
| [23:43:18] | oobe: | i went to mythtv-setup and told it to autotranscode recording and auto commflag but its only commflagging mythtransode does not appear in my job queue at all its driving me crazy how do i fix this |
| [23:43:27] | iamlindoro: | Yes we saw that five seconds ago |
| [23:43:44] | directhex: | iamlindoro, he told you he was hardcore! |
| [23:43:45] | iamlindoro: | But feel free to increase the repeat frequency until we come after you with pitchforks and torches |
| [23:43:48] | kormoc: | dustybin, if you're not a druggie, why are you getting so defensive bout it? Really, we're a bunch of random folks on the internet, why do you care what we think? |
| [23:44:04] | dustybin: | haha |
| [23:44:19] | ** AndyCap recommends methylxanthine ** | |
| [23:44:21] | iamlindoro: | directhex, in this case that was for oobe ;) |
| [23:44:29] | ** directhex recommends cake ** | |
| [23:44:33] | iamlindoro: | Oh well, guess your life choices are as retarded as your frontend ones |
| [23:44:36] | directhex: | it's from prague |
| [23:44:57] | directhex: | iamlindoro, explains why he thinks his old HP sff is pretty! |
| [23:45:10] | AndyCap: | directhex: nooo. the czech neck |
| [23:45:18] | dustybin: | the HP box is still waiting for a pci gfx card and remote |
| [23:45:24] | iamlindoro: | directhex, I had a friend who puked up her own pelvis bone on that stuff |
| [23:45:36] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [23:45:46] | oobe: | so im guessing no one knows the answer to my question |
| [23:45:51] | iamlindoro: | A fucking disgrace |
| [23:45:58] | ** AndyCap goes to listen to some incredibly mum music ** | |
| [23:46:09] | iamlindoro: | <-- knows UK things |
| [23:46:43] | ** dustybin thinks iamlindoro is a chav ** | |
| [23:46:53] | iamlindoro: | PS, if you're on drugs go outside and try to fornicate, or get beaten by the police, either way I laught at your effort and/or the result |
| [23:47:03] | dustybin: | lol |
| [23:47:28] | iamlindoro: | ps, doesn't count if it's your sister |
| [23:47:34] | dustybin: | :o |
| [23:48:12] | dustybin: | most normal people go out clubbing to do e |
| [23:48:22] | dustybin: | watching bbc earth is much better |
| [23:48:23] | iamlindoro: | Damn that agorophobia! |
| [23:49:08] | iamlindoro: | once you see planet earth in HD you'll realize what a douche you've been all along talking about how awesome SD is, BTW |
| [23:49:23] | kormoc: | dustybin, you should go find a lady to share your E, being on E for a irc chatroom is such a waste |
| [23:49:31] | dustybin: | well, SD + CRT = pretty dam good |
| [23:49:40] | dustybin: | SD + LCD / PLASMA = shite |
| [23:49:47] | ** directhex thinks dustybin should listen to some jlb-8 ** | |
| [23:50:06] | ** iamlindoro attempts to divide LCD by plasma, divides by zero, and accidentally erases himself from history ** | |
| [23:50:29] | directhex: | http://halshop.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/phpw9jvl0pm.jpg |
| [23:50:44] | iamlindoro: | HAHAAHAHAHAAH |
| [23:50:47] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [23:50:49] | iamlindoro: | I actually laughed out loud at that... hard |
| [23:50:49] | dustybin: | excellent |
| [23:51:33] | dustybin: | DIVISION BY ZERO |
| [23:51:34] | dustybin: | READY |
| [23:52:44] | ** iamlindoro hands dustybin some looneytoad quack ** | |
| [23:53:21] | dustybin: | imnotasthinkasyoufuckediam |
| [23:53:36] | AndyCap: | yesterdays userfriendly was better. |
| [23:53:40] | iamlindoro: | Oh I know you're not fucked |
| [23:53:42] | iamlindoro: | ever |
| [23:53:49] | AndyCap: | or rather, the 4th sept. |
| [23:54:45] | dustybin: | i have no job, no mortgage, no kids, no girlfriend, no debts |
| [23:54:59] | iamlindoro: | Three of those things could be considered GOOD thing, you shitface |
| [23:55:01] | iamlindoro: | things |
| [23:55:09] | dustybin: | its ace :-) |
| [23:55:33] | iamlindoro: | And you still have a beautiful, filmy hymen. Good for you. |
| [23:55:43] | dustybin: | lol |
| [23:56:05] | oobe: | i figured it out i didnt have transcode enabled in my tuner |
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| [23:57:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: that is one weird conversation you are having, I'm only seeing your side since dustybin is on ignore atm |
| [23:57:36] | iamlindoro: | gbee, All the better for you |
| [23:58:00] | iamlindoro: | as this is easily his stupidest moment EVAR |
| [23:58:52] | gbee: | "<dustybin> wow i done a E, havent done one of these for years, this is weird shit" = /ignore dustybin |
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| [23:59:03] | iamlindoro: | yar, only got "better" from there |
| [23:59:05] | Adman65: | Hey |
| [23:59:15] | Adman65: | I'm having problems getting a BT878 card setupd |
| [23:59:27] | Adman65: | it works with TVTime through Svideo out |
| [23:59:31] | Adman65: | but not through cable |
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