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| [00:14:17] | NeoMatrixJR: | If anyone knows how to help with this I'd appreciate it. I have mediabuntu running, using a pinnacle 800i card. I upgraded to the current stable kernel 2.6.26 to get the card working and added the firmware. Problems are: 1.) no audio (device not listed in sound menu), and 2.) nVidia card not showing in propriatary drivers section anymore |
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| [00:15:27] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a set of questions for #Mediabuntu to me |
| [00:15:46] | NeoMatrixJR: | will try there too...thanx |
| [00:16:51] | weevilofdoom: | any ideas on why my subwoofer sounds like a grumbling monster when turned up? |
| [00:17:07] | Dagmar: | Because it's a subwoofer |
| [00:17:10] | pat_: | it has a troll inside |
| [00:17:17] | Dagmar: | ...or possibly a ferret if you have one. |
| [00:17:21] | weevilofdoom: | well .. yeah, but it's a constant grumble, not normal bass :P |
| [00:17:30] | Dagmar: | You have ground loops, prolly. |
| [00:17:39] | weevilofdoom: | ground loops? |
| [00:17:43] | Dagmar: | ...or a really bad stereo |
| [00:17:47] | Dagmar: | Ground loops. |
| [00:18:00] | Dagmar: | They're the things you get when you have a crappy ground or no ground at all in your wall outlets. |
| [00:18:05] | weevilofdoom: | is a set of altec lansing speakers.. |
| [00:18:09] | fryfrog: | they are like fruit loops, but ground up |
| [00:18:14] | NeoMatrixJR: | woops...meant mythbuntu...running mythtv |
| [00:18:17] | Dagmar: | I know, I know, people saw off those third plugs all the time, but they do matter, particularly to audio stuff. |
| [00:18:30] | weevilofdoom: | no 3rd plug on wall wart... |
| [00:18:35] | weevilofdoom: | never was one :P |
| [00:18:37] | fryfrog: | you can get little clip on magnets that you can put on the audio plug |
| [00:18:44] | Dagmar: | wwevilofdoom: So does it make this noise when it's not plugged into anything? |
| [00:18:50] | weevilofdoom: | no |
| [00:18:53] | fryfrog: | also, if you were using optical to your computer it might rmove it |
| [00:18:57] | Dagmar: | They're not generally magnets |
| [00:19:06] | weevilofdoom: | no spdif.. |
| [00:19:15] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: yeah they are, they are rare earth magnets |
| [00:19:29] | fryfrog: | most of the time they are coated in plastic so you don't see em |
| [00:19:30] | Dagmar: | The ones I've got are just ferrous. |
| [00:19:35] | fryfrog: | (if we are talking about the same thing) |
| [00:19:35] | Dagmar: | They're not magnetic. |
| [00:19:38] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [00:19:42] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, just a big chunk of iron |
| [00:19:58] | Dagmar: | THey don't need to be magnetized. All they need to do is dampen the field a bit. |
| [00:19:58] | fryfrog: | okay, you are probably right |
| [00:20:05] | fryfrog: | yeah, have to be now that i think about it |
| [00:20:06] | wagnerrp_: | ive got one sitting on my desk i cut of... i think a crossover cable |
| [00:20:15] | fryfrog: | otherwise my cables would go "WOINK!" right to the nearest metal thing :) |
| [00:20:19] | Dagmar: | Heheh |
| [00:20:29] | Dagmar: | And gods forbid you got them near the back of a CRT TV. |
| [00:20:36] | weevilofdoom: | hell no |
| [00:20:41] | fryfrog: | haha, yeah |
| [00:20:44] | Dagmar: | hhehehe |
| [00:20:58] | weevilofdoom: | removed all interference (cables, monitor, etc), still happens |
| [00:21:07] | Dagmar: | OKay, that sucks. |
| [00:21:17] | weevilofdoom: | but only in this ONE room... if i plug in another room ... gone |
| [00:21:17] | fryfrog: | then that sounds like a sub-woofer or speaker system problem |
| [00:21:25] | fryfrog: | oh? |
| [00:21:30] | Dagmar: | So sounds like you've got electrical noise |
| [00:21:35] | fryfrog: | have any weird appliances on the same circuit? |
| [00:21:40] | fryfrog: | a fridge or something? |
| [00:21:43] | weevilofdoom: | just a computer |
| [00:21:45] | fryfrog: | well, not weird but high powered |
| [00:21:52] | mzb_d800: | to remove a ground loop (if that's what it is) between two devices, just try cutting the earth on the signal lead |
| [00:21:52] | weevilofdoom: | waterbed heater as well |
| [00:21:56] | weevilofdoom: | but unplugging that did not remedy |
| [00:21:58] | Dagmar: | Ya need a line conditioner, but there's as much snake oil in that space as you'd ever believe |
| [00:22:07] | fryfrog: | can you (for shits and giggles) move the PC and the speakers? |
| [00:22:12] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: Cutting the ground when you have a ground loop is so not the right thing to do |
| [00:22:15] | fryfrog: | or turn off the computer and see if it is still there? |
| [00:22:25] | weevilofdoom: | it ONLY happens when playing sound through sound card |
| [00:22:26] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: on the _signal_lead_ |
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| [00:22:40] | fryfrog: | you said it happens with *nothing* hooked up ? |
| [00:22:45] | weevilofdoom: | no |
| [00:22:50] | mzb_d800: | at the very least it proves if it _is_ a ground loop or not |
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| [00:23:01] | fryfrog: | 20:20 < weevilofdoom> removed all interference (cables, monitor, etc), still happens |
| [00:23:13] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [00:23:26] | fryfrog: | i guess i can see how that'd mean it was still hooked up :) |
| [00:23:28] | weevilofdoom: | didn't say it wasn't hooked to PC still |
| [00:23:35] | weevilofdoom: | it only happens when in use.. |
| [00:23:39] | fryfrog: | is the connection to the pc / speakers a wire or optical? |
| [00:23:41] | Dagmar: | mzb_d800: It's trivial to spot a ground loop with a digital multimeter, and slightly easier with an analog one |
| [00:23:41] | weevilofdoom: | if nothing is playing, completely silent |
| [00:23:45] | weevilofdoom: | it is a wire |
| [00:23:53] | fryfrog: | wait, if nothing is *playing*? |
| [00:24:03] | Dagmar: | Ya might wanna replace that sound card |
| [00:24:09] | fryfrog: | so if it is all hooked up, but you aren't playing anything... you don't hear a problem? |
| [00:24:13] | fryfrog: | but when you hit play, you do? |
| [00:24:14] | weevilofdoom: | correct |
| [00:24:16] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [00:24:26] | fryfrog: | ground loop would cause a problem you could hear at all times |
| [00:24:28] | weevilofdoom: | but the sound is not present in other rooms |
| [00:24:43] | fryfrog: | wtf :p |
| [00:24:47] | Dagmar: | You're toting the media PC and the speakers around to different rooms? |
| [00:24:56] | weevilofdoom: | i moved to a different room.. |
| [00:25:00] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [00:25:10] | weevilofdoom: | moved the PC + speakers to different room.. |
| [00:25:31] | Dagmar: | If you've got a solid UPS I'd plug everything into that, turn it up, and then unplug the UPS from the wall. |
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| [00:25:51] | Dagmar: | Provided you can hear a damn thing over the shrill beeping, it'll tell you if the noise is coming in through that wall circuit. |
| [00:26:02] | weevilofdoom: | no UPS |
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| [00:26:34] | weevilofdoom: | scratch that ... i do hear a FAINT humming when nothing is being played |
| [00:26:37] | mzb_d800: | quality of soundcard? |
| [00:26:40] | weevilofdoom: | but when something being played ... it is MUCH worse |
| [00:26:56] | weevilofdoom: | onboard realtek .. but meh, it worked just fine in other room, so that is moot, no? |
| [00:28:01] | mzb_d800: | I would have thought so ... but as you've only just noticed that there _is_ noise without signal I'd be tempted to believe you might not have noticed the symptoms in the other room |
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| [00:28:42] | weevilofdoom: | well, they certainly weren't apparent at all in the other room, so i didn't exactly think to look for them :P |
| [00:29:28] | weevilofdoom: | only subwoofer, too.. all is well as long as i have that turned all the way down |
| [00:29:34] | mzb_d800: | beware: if you keep going this way you'll end up with pink spots on your TV ;)) |
| [00:29:40] | weevilofdoom: | (subwoofer is the only NON SHIELDED component of audio) |
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| [00:30:05] | weevilofdoom: | not using a tv.. |
| [00:30:19] | mzb_d800: | dm, you missed the joke ;) |
| [00:30:24] | mzb_d800: | and it's probably the one that would be most likely to turn up any noise issue |
| [00:31:00] | mzb_d800: | (subwoofer that is) |
| [00:31:32] | weevilofdoom: | maybe i should try another outlet? hrms |
| [00:31:53] | wagnerrp_: | if one outlet gives you noise, likely they all give you noise |
| [00:32:02] | weevilofdoom: | figured as much |
| [00:32:09] | mzb_d800: | other end of the house might be more productive ... if it's on a separate circuit |
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| [00:32:34] | weevilofdoom: | ya, each room is on its own circuit |
| [00:32:45] | weevilofdoom: | at least, my breaker box tells me that :P |
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| [00:34:29] | weevilofdoom: | well, have to bug my buddy to give me my multimeter back, i guess |
| [00:36:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: What, you don't have more than one like I do? ;-) |
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| [00:36:41] | wagnerrp_: | multimeter? or oscilloscope? |
| [00:36:49] | wagnerrp_: | the former wont do much good for measuring line noise |
| [00:36:52] | weevilofdoom: | multimeter.. though i do have access to a scope as well |
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| [00:37:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | multimeter... ;-) I have a scope too.. but only one of those.. ;-) I've got 3 or 4 multimeters... |
| [00:37:42] | weevilofdoom: | never had a need for more than 1, myself.. but i can see it |
| [00:38:08] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp_: Only seldom have I seen noise showing up in a ground fault that wasn't also resulting in some bias |
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| [00:38:48] | Dagmar: | So, testing for voltage and resistance between the neutral and ground _usually_ turns it right up |
| [00:39:02] | Dagmar: | Stray voltage is bad. ANything over 10ohms is questionable |
| [00:39:14] | weevilofdoom: | ok, well thanks for the food for thought – i will measure my voltages, see if there is a ground discrepancy |
| [00:39:40] | Dagmar: | Remember, unless you're in Europe, one is supposed to be hot, one will be neutral (no voltage on it) and one will be a ground. |
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| [00:39:44] | wagnerrp_: | ah, i didnt think about DC bias |
| [00:39:49] | weevilofdoom: | i know how to measure :P |
| [00:39:52] | weevilofdoom: | thanks though |
| [00:40:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah, any current coming in through the neutral pole is bad juju |
| [00:40:25] | Dagmar: | weevilofdoom: I'm just makin' sure. A lot of people (even PC hardware hackers) don't |
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| [00:41:05] | weevilofdoom: | good lookin' out! :) |
| [00:41:39] | weevilofdoom: | if i do have voltage on the neutral – what would I use to rid myself of it? |
| [00:41:41] | weevilofdoom: | besides re-wiring my whole damn circuit |
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| [00:42:35] | wagnerrp_: | i spent several hours, and a replacement part, trying to figure out why some 12v DC outdoor lighting wasnt working |
| [00:42:50] | wagnerrp_: | before i finally realized it was 12v AC outdoor lighting |
| [00:43:29] | wagnerrp_: | the transformer was functioning just fine, and there was a bad connection down the line |
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| [00:46:59] | weevilofdoom: | so, a ground isolator would theoretically solve the problem? |
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| [00:49:08] | mzb_d800: | if using an audio lead without an earth fixes it, then probably |
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| [00:49:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: If it is indeed a ground loop, yes. But if it's not present at all times, then I doubt it's a ground loop... |
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| [00:52:00] | weevilofdoom: | changing coaxial cables fixed it ??? wtf |
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| [00:53:34] | weevilofdoom: | that makes no sense to me |
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| [00:56:40] | wagnerrp_: | it makes perfect sense, the cable is bad |
| [00:57:15] | wagnerrp_: | somewhere, the signal is shorting against the shield |
| [00:57:51] | wagnerrp_: | oh, digital coax... |
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| [00:59:00] | wagnerrp_: | did you mean 'no you were using spdif', or 'no you were not using spdif'? |
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| [00:59:54] | weevilofdoom: | i was NOT using spdif |
| [01:00:00] | weevilofdoom: | the TV COAX change made it go away .. |
| [01:00:17] | ** weevilofdoom boggles repeatedly! ** | |
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| [01:00:24] | wagnerrp_: | oh, so your video source was bad, not the output |
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| [01:00:30] | weevilofdoom: | i suppose so... |
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| [01:00:51] | wagnerrp_: | you didnt have any non-recorded media to test it on? |
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| [01:01:04] | weevilofdoom: | of course i did... same happened, which is why i'm boggling |
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| [01:01:57] | weevilofdoom: | maybe just interference from a poorly shielded coax cable? |
| [01:02:10] | wagnerrp_: | not likely |
| [01:02:13] | weevilofdoom: | hrms |
| [01:02:33] | weevilofdoom: | i have NO freakin idea then .. but it went away when i changed it |
| [01:02:33] | wagnerrp_: | not unless it was running parallel, in the same direction, for some distance |
| [01:02:48] | fryfrog: | so did you do playback of only your own recordings (that sucked)? or was it all video, even a good one gotten from intertubes? |
| [01:03:00] | weevilofdoom: | it was ANYTHING, music, videos, tv recordings |
| [01:03:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:03:38] | fryfrog: | weird, maybe you had a ground loop between the tv and pc, not speakers and pc? |
| [01:03:56] | weevilofdoom: | between the wall coax and my pc?? |
| [01:04:12] | weevilofdoom: | i'm not using a TV, using a monitor that attaches to DVI |
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| [01:05:22] | weevilofdoom: | anyway, i don't have time to begin to understand that one :P gotta go |
| [01:05:25] | weevilofdoom: | thanks for the brains, guys |
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| [01:07:49] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [01:10:58] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: usps still love you? |
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| [01:18:32] | Algaeman: | I'm having a problem with the myth frontend. I have no text on the main menus. I can navigate blind, so it is working, just no text. Anyone seen this before? |
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| [01:19:52] | sphery: | Algaeman: install the MS Core Web Fons |
| [01:19:54] | sphery: | Fonts |
| [01:22:43] | venger: | not a huge issue here but I just noticed today that even while my frontend is idle at the main menu that hard drive light blinks 1–2 times a second. anyone have any idea what it could be reading or checking for? The log isn't growing and if I exit access to the hd stops. v0.21 |
| [01:23:18] | venger: | sorry, version 0.20x, not the latest |
| [01:23:40] | Algaeman: | Well, I'm pretty sure I have the fonts. It worked at one point |
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| [01:26:51] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [01:28:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | venger: It might be the weather module... |
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| [01:29:32] | Steven_M: | I can't watch live tv, here's the output: http://pastebin.com/d724ac4bc |
| [01:30:39] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: the backend log might be more meaningful |
| [01:33:30] | Dagmar: | vanger: There's a lot of things htat could be doing it. Syslog, mysql, atimes being left enabled on the filesystem, etc |
| [01:33:31] | Dagmar: | Adding the keyword "noatimes" to the list of mount options in /etc/fstab for each filesystem will disable the operating system _writing to disk_ every time you access any file just to read it. |
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| [01:37:39] | Dagmar: | er, make that "noatime" not "noatimes" |
| [01:47:14] | Steven_M: | mzb_d800: sorry hang on |
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| [01:49:49] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: oh y3eah, thanks for reminding me |
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| [02:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | sigh, I think it's time for a new mobo |
| [02:31:19] | iamlindoro_: | This one just randomly loses touch with SATA from time to time |
| [02:31:37] | Dagmar: | Maxtor drive? |
| [02:31:38] | iamlindoro_: | which is bad when you come back and issue a command and it comes back "ls: input/output error" |
| [02:31:44] | iamlindoro_: | Various drives |
| [02:31:55] | Dagmar: | Ah yeah mobo or ps |
| [02:32:14] | iamlindoro_: | shame, too, as it's such a good mobo otherwise |
| [02:32:21] | iamlindoro_: | but this problem has been there since the start |
| [02:32:29] | iamlindoro_: | time to get one with MOAR SATA anyway |
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| [02:35:01] | iamlindoro_: | like mkrufky's fancy new 10x SATA board |
| [02:35:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: ooh, what board is that? I thought I was doing good with my 6x sata on-board... |
| [02:35:48] | wagnerrp_: | some gigabyte P45 |
| [02:38:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A found it – Gigabyte GA-P45-DS5 ** | |
| [02:38:21] | ** J-e-f-f-A drools... ;-) ** | |
| [02:39:25] | wagnerrp_: | drool for what? what the hell are you going to do with quad gigabit |
| [02:39:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | 10 sata! ;-) |
| [02:40:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Dedicated gigabit for the HDPVR(s)... ;-) |
| [02:40:57] | wagnerrp_: | but... the HDPVRs are USB |
| [02:41:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, meant HDHomerun(s)... ;-) (have one, just had a brain cramp...) |
| [02:41:54] | wagnerrp_: | but... the HDHomeruns pull 38Mbit max (or maybe 76Mbit is they can tune QAM) |
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| [02:42:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp_: Yeah, but it uses UDP packets, which are the first to get discarded if the network is congested... ;-) |
| [02:45:53] | iamlindoro_: | Only question is why would they take a board that is so capable and put all those stupid bright colors on it |
| [02:46:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp_: ... the GA-P45-DS5 has 2 gigabit from what I'm seeing .. can't seem to find the 10-port sata one for sale yet... (still searching) |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp_: | i think its the DS6 |
| [02:46:41] | wagnerrp_: | its something6 |
| [02:48:28] | iamlindoro_: | GA-EP45-DQ6 |
| [02:48:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | holy hell, you're right — GA-EP45-DQ6 — 4 gigabit... 8 usb on the backplane... wow... (still drooling, despite the rainbow of colors... -ick-) |
| [02:51:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | One of the reviewers on newegg complains about one of the slots being partially blocked by the heat pipes, and says "I can fit larger PCIe x1 cards in the two x4 slots without a problem... but I would like to keep one of the x4 slots availbale in case I want to add more SATA raid in the future." <- crazy... |
| [02:52:46] | iamlindoro_: | that's mkrufky |
| [02:53:18] | iamlindoro_: | I almost guarantee it |
| [02:53:38] | iamlindoro_: | ah, yep, talking about Myth :) |
| [02:53:40] | iamlindoro_: | ti's him |
| [02:53:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | reviewer's name on newegg is "UBiQUiTY" |
| [02:54:00] | iamlindoro_: | he was complaining about the same issue w/ the same exact (Hauppauge) card |
| [02:54:09] | iamlindoro_: | and the same PCIe issue :) |
| [02:54:25] | iamlindoro_: | and saying that he wanted to expand with more SATA cards |
| [02:54:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehehe ;-) |
| [02:54:29] | iamlindoro_: | so yeah, that's him :) |
| [02:55:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | And I though I was a bit wacked with my 6 on-board sata to 500GB drives, and a PCIe 2-drive raid for the OS.. |
| [02:56:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | ( 'thought' even... ;-) ) |
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| [03:01:51] | iamlindoro_: | Perhaps I'll drop hints to friends about my need for a new mobo in advance of my birthday Tuesday :) |
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| [03:04:48] | Steven_M: | sorry all I got caught up in a meeting, here's my backend log. http://pastebin.com/d439763fe Can anyone figure out why live tv won't start? |
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| [03:06:25] | mzb_d800: | crowded backplane! |
| [03:07:14] | mzb_d800: | > au$320 :( |
| [03:07:15] | Steven_M: | mzb_d800: huh? |
| [03:07:20] | wagnerrp_: | my server has 17 sata ports |
| [03:08:09] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: Table 'mythconverg.recorded' doesn't exist |
| [03:08:14] | mzb_d800: | ^^ doesn't look good |
| [03:08:30] | mzb_d800: | looks like you've not setup your database |
| [03:08:35] | wagnerrp_: | Steven_M: did your computer recently crash? |
| [03:08:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | yikes. ;-) I'm running 8 drives – 6 500's on the on-board raid, and 2 on a PCIe card... |
| [03:09:07] | ** mzb_d800 continues reading past the schema upgrade ** | |
| [03:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Perhaps Steven_M needs to do a repair of his database? |
| [03:09:19] | wagnerrp_: | im running 8 drives too... 7 on a card, 1 on board |
| [03:09:39] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: here's another one: # |
| [03:09:39] | mzb_d800: | TFW, Error: Opening file '/home/steven/mythrec/1002_20080828124648.mpg'. |
| [03:09:39] | mzb_d800: | # |
| [03:09:39] | mzb_d800: | eno: Permission denied (13) |
| [03:10:14] | Steven_M: | J-e-f-f-A: how? |
| [03:10:45] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136052 |
| [03:10:45] | wagnerrp_: | its got nothing to do with mythtv, just search for 'mysql database repair' |
| [03:10:49] | iamlindoro_: | Lots of expansion there |
| [03:11:08] | mzb_d800: | I'd _assume_ that the backend is running as mythtv user ... so the mythtv user needs to be in the same group that owns /home/steven/mythrec (and needs to be group writable) |
| [03:12:07] | Steven_M: | ok standby |
| [03:12:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Yeah, but only 8 sata..;-) Do like the 3 PCI and 3 PCIe16 slots though... ;-) |
| [03:13:19] | iamlindoro_: | Gotta drop the hint to the girlyfriend, but gotta pick something sufficiently austentacious first |
| [03:13:53] | wagnerrp_: | there is no cooling on that board |
| [03:14:17] | wagnerrp_: | they expect you to use water cooling then? |
| [03:14:38] | wagnerrp_: | oh no, they just ship with a ginormous NB sink |
| [03:15:00] | iamlindoro_: | that board is more for crazy overclocking Crysis fiends than me |
| [03:15:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or replace the side panel with a large fan...;-) |
| [03:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | gotta crash... 'night.... ;-) ZZZzzz... |
| [03:17:54] | mzb_d800: | my god! : http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/06/04/asus- . . . w-features/1 |
| [03:18:32] | mzb_d800: | > au$500 ea |
| [03:19:02] | mzb_d800: | 8x SATA |
| [03:19:32] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188028 |
| [03:19:43] | iamlindoro_: | "What should we do with this empty spot here? Put SATA there!" |
| [03:19:51] | iamlindoro_: | How about this spot? Yeah, that one too! |
| [03:21:05] | mzb_d800: | or DDR2 version (Rampage Formula) for ~au$325 but only 6x SATA |
| [03:21:49] | wagnerrp_: | if youre spending that kind of money on a board, why would you get DDR2 |
| [03:22:34] | Steven_M: | is there a way to get mythtv to recreate the database from scratch? |
| [03:23:05] | iamlindoro_: | drop database mythconverg; |
| [03:23:12] | iamlindoro_: | mysql -uroot < mc.sql |
| [03:23:23] | iamlindoro_: | in the mc.sql directory, of course |
| [03:23:34] | wagnerrp_: | love them simple solutions |
| [03:23:43] | wagnerrp_: | of course youll lose EVERYTHING |
| [03:24:03] | iamlindoro_: | yep, thar be data in them thar bases |
| [03:24:15] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp_: I'm just window shopping ... and feeling old|poor ;) (ie: I know I'd be lucky to get a wheelbarrow for Father's Day ... let alone a motherboard like those;) |
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| [03:26:26] | discombobulated: | is there a good card out there for when us cable starts to go digital? |
| [03:26:42] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [03:26:53] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: what's the < mc.sql part of that command for? |
| [03:27:03] | wagnerrp_: | cable is normally encrypeted... unusable... |
| [03:27:04] | Dagmar: | Until the FCC drops the hammer on the cablecard people so they stop helping the monopolists, the HD-PVR is about yer only option |
| [03:27:14] | iamlindoro_: | for reading in the mc.sql sql script... |
| [03:27:37] | iamlindoro_: | presumably you want to create a fresh database, so you'll need to do that or myth no worky |
| [03:27:45] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: if you have a search through the mythtv wiki you will find a section on how to setup the database correctly |
| [03:28:17] | iamlindoro_: | or even, and I'm just throwing out ideas here, read the section called "database" in the manual |
| [03:30:27] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: just reading in the script should be sufficent for setting up the base though right? |
| [03:30:38] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [03:30:52] | iamlindoro_: | assuming you've looked at it to know what it does to your db permissions |
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| [03:33:43] | discombobulated: | so when we start getting digial cable here, my pvr150 is useless? |
| [03:34:16] | iamlindoro_: | Only if they entirely scrap analog for digital-- which they cannot legally do entirely until 2011 |
| [03:35:14] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: mysql is bound to 127.0.0.1 so I shouldn't have a problem with hackers. |
| [03:35:48] | discombobulated: | ok, thanks |
| [03:35:58] | iamlindoro_: | Steven_M, that has nothing to do with what I told you |
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| [03:37:20] | iamlindoro_: | I said it affects DB permissions, has nothing to do with security or network interface its bound to |
| [03:37:50] | iamlindoro_: | mc.sql is like three lines, all you have to do is read them to see what I mean |
| [03:37:53] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: you said about checking the database permissions, what ever the script wants to do should be fine |
| [03:38:22] | mzb_d800: | Asus P5Q series doesn't look bad |
| [03:38:22] | iamlindoro_: | obviously I cna't trouble you to spend four seconds reading three lines, so I'll just spell it out |
| [03:38:48] | iamlindoro_: | The script may or may not (depending on your setup) RESET YOUR SQL PASSWORD FOR THE MYTH USER |
| [03:39:22] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks for making me explain it rather than just looking at the script like I asked, would hate to accidentally learn something |
| [03:40:31] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders if his folks would get him a fancy GPU for his B-day ** | |
| [03:41:32] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: ahh sorry, I tend to avoid reading wiki's becase a reading disability |
| [03:42:00] | iamlindoro_: | Must be, as I never asked you to read a wiki |
| [03:42:05] | iamlindoro_: | just the three line mc.sql file |
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| [03:44:00] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: oh very sorry I thought you were talking about the database setion in the wiki. |
| [03:45:07] | iamlindoro_: | That would also be a wise thing to read |
| [03:45:10] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp_: best of both worlds? (DDR2/DDR3) : http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 |
| [03:45:28] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: I'll leave you alone now before you get really mad at me |
| [03:46:11] | iamlindoro_: | OK |
| [03:46:23] | iamlindoro_: | You've stumbled on the right way to get me mad-- not reading |
| [03:47:08] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro_: How goes the hdpvr these days? I've been out of the loop for a while now. |
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| [03:48:00] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix, Well, I would say when the new firmware adding 5.1 channel support comes out, likely this week, that it will be pretty much where it needs to be for advanced level users to be using it every day without much limitation |
| [03:48:31] | iamlindoro_: | Only real drawback I see there being after the new firmware is the inability to losslessly commerical cut |
| [03:49:10] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro_: That's good to hear. I think I'll likely still be waiting a bit to purchase though...been spending too much lately, and I'd rather wait until it's as realiable as, say, a PVR-150. |
| [03:49:48] | iamlindoro_: | well, what do you consider reliable to be? You can pretty much use it as reliably as any PVR-150 now |
| [03:50:31] | Tanthrix: | Perfect recordings 100 percent of the time with no crashes or weirdness. That's what I've gotten out of my PVR-150 for about a year now. |
| [03:51:02] | iamlindoro_: | I would say if you don't feck around with it, that you can get that now w/ the HD-PVR |
| [03:51:09] | iamlindoro_: | if you start "playing" then all bets are off |
| [03:51:43] | Tanthrix: | Nifty, that's good to hear. |
| [03:51:44] | iamlindoro_: | examples being people cat'ing from it while myth has it open, playing with v4l2 controls because they're shiny while myth owns the card, etc. |
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| [03:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | seen that? Yes I have. |
| [03:52:20] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, fun stuff. |
| [03:52:24] | iamlindoro_: | people who should not use HD-PVR include: Pretty much everyone who comes to the hd pvr dev channel looking for help on how to compile myth or the driver |
| [03:52:41] | iamlindoro_: | warning, HD-PVR may accelerate to dangerous speeds |
| [03:52:58] | iamlindoro_: | HD-PVR should not be used around pregnant women, those nursing, or young children |
| [03:53:04] | iamlindoro_: | do not stare directly at HD-PVR |
| [03:54:53] | mzb_d800: | and don't inhale |
| [03:56:26] | Dagmar: | Don't forget the important one |
| [03:56:43] | Dagmar: | Should you experience an erection lasting longer than four hours while using the HD-PVR, contact a doctor immediately." |
| [03:57:24] | mzb_d800: | heh |
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| [03:58:23] | mzb_d800: | or have someone who still has enough blood in their brain to dial for you ;) |
| [03:59:59] | Dagmar: | I'm just wondering why they bother mentioning it |
| [04:00:04] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro_: you'll be please to know I've decided to look at the database section of the wiki like somebody sugested after all. Sorry for annoyng you before. |
| [04:00:13] | Dagmar: | It's like they've all forgotten what it was like to be 20 |
| [04:00:33] | iamlindoro_: | Steven_M, no problem, wasn't annoyed, and good for you for reading it |
| [04:02:13] | Steven_M: | Steven_M: that's good :) |
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| [04:18:52] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, how is the h.264 lossless cutter comming? Think you will have it done this weekend? |
| [04:19:06] | iamlindoro: | A few tweaks yet |
| [04:20:28] | jpabq: | :-) |
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| [04:28:35] | psm321: | hi |
| [04:29:32] | psm321: | any suggestions for figuring out why the jobqueue isn't picking up on some manually started transcode jobs? (they show up in the database but never start running and dont show up in the job queue on system status in the frontend) |
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| [04:34:30] | sxealex_: | anyone have anyluck with broadcast channels on a ati hdtv wonder? |
| [04:35:41] | sxealex_: | C|:-0 |
| [04:36:14] | wagnerrp_: | is an hdtv wonder supported under linux? |
| [04:36:30] | wagnerrp_: | ive heard ati tuners generally dont work |
| [04:36:31] | sxealex_: | there is documentation |
| [04:36:32] | sxealex_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder |
| [04:36:38] | sxealex_: | but i cant get it working |
| [04:36:53] | sxealex_: | so i was looking for someone who had done it |
| [04:38:20] | psm321: | heh n/m about my question... the source usually provides the answer :) |
| [04:39:06] | psm321: | in my case it was a job for a recording which ended before it's scheduled end time, and the jobqueue ignores non-commflag jobs for recordings until their scheduled end time |
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| [04:48:46] | sxealex_: | the frontend id keeps showing up as something else |
| [04:48:59] | sxealex_: | eventhough I loaded the firmware required |
| [04:49:02] | sxealex_: | :-/ |
| [04:51:56] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro: when I recreated the database you there was no output annd now I can't connect to the database, it mus't've cahange something with permissions like you said |
| [04:53:39] | Steven_M: | what should I do now? |
| [04:56:01] | Steven_M: | any ideas? |
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| [05:01:16] | k-man: | anyone here tried the URC mx-850 remote? |
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| [05:07:53] | Steven_M: | I recreated the database using mysql --user=root --password < mc.sql and now I can't connect to the database even though the user and password are set to mythtv. Any ideas? |
| [05:08:30] | wagnerrp_: | so recreate the permissions |
| [05:08:43] | wagnerrp_: | in mysql, 'help grant' |
| [05:10:07] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp_: I thought the mc.sql did that |
| [05:10:30] | wagnerrp_: | no idea |
| [05:11:25] | Steven_M: | sigh, it's been a long day |
| [05:11:51] | wagnerrp_: | how about a "select host,user,password from mysql.user where user='mythtv';" |
| [05:12:22] | wagnerrp_: | password should be '*CC8F35...morebullshit' |
| [05:12:37] | Andrew_Barber: | how do people have their storage groups set up? |
| [05:12:51] | Andrew_Barber: | right now i just use "default" |
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| [05:28:36] | k-man: | Andrew_Barber: same here, just use default |
| [05:28:49] | k-man: | i don't really see what benefit i get from setting up recording groups |
| [05:28:58] | Andrew_Barber: | k-man: thanks |
| [05:29:04] | Andrew_Barber: | yeah, me too |
| [05:30:48] | psm321: | i use default but add a ton of directories to it |
| [05:31:33] | wagnerrp_: | one directory per hard drive anyway... |
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| [05:32:06] | psm321: | i actually have more than one per hd... i know it's stupid but i'm too afraid to put everything in one big partition |
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| [05:39:35] | Steven_M: | what's the command for changing the password of a mysql user? |
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| [06:01:39] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: try install phpmyadmin if you get stuck (or can't google) |
| [06:04:31] | Andrew_Barber: | does anyone have their remote lock up on them? |
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| [06:14:24] | mzb_d800: | yes |
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| [06:15:47] | mzb_d800: | k-man: if you have multiple drives (not raid) it can be handy ... eg. g/f has her own drive for recordings |
| [06:16:11] | Striker: | i dont suppose anyone in here has multiple tuners with the same chipset, specifically saa713x? |
| [06:16:43] | mzb_d800: | I've got one of those |
| [06:17:00] | mzb_d800: | I was told at one stage that they don't like sharing irq's |
| [06:17:24] | Striker: | maybe...they seem to be detected okay, one works, the other doesnt though |
| [06:17:42] | mzb_d800: | try locking down the irq's in bios |
| [06:17:54] | mzb_d800: | (reserving?) |
| [06:18:10] | Striker: | dmesg says one is on 16, the other is on 19 |
| [06:18:16] | mzb_d800: | prob. easier to move slots ;) |
| [06:18:26] | Striker: | not when i only have 2 pci slots |
| [06:18:32] | mzb_d800: | err ... yeah ... not interrupts at that level .. |
| [06:18:41] | mzb_d800: | ah ... well point is lost anyway |
| [06:18:45] | Striker: | hehe |
| [06:18:50] | mzb_d800: | I mean A B C stuff in BIOS |
| [06:19:44] | Striker: | the one that does not work is a dual NTSC/ATSC tuner though |
| [06:19:57] | Striker: | i was thinking maybe it's not set to analog atm |
| [06:20:26] | ** Striker tests s-video ** | |
| [06:20:59] | Striker: | aha, s-video works |
| [06:25:11] | Steven_M: | bye all |
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| [06:33:57] | Andrew_Barber: | what do you do when the remote locks up? |
| [06:34:18] | Andrew_Barber: | my only solution is to restart myth |
| [06:39:04] | mzb_d800: | I seem to have two issues: |
| [06:39:15] | mzb_d800: | the first is solved by running irw in a console |
| [06:39:48] | mzb_d800: | the second is solved by running irw in a console, unplugging the receiver, wait 10 secs, plug back in |
| [06:40:25] | mzb_d800: | unlikely that I have to restart myth ... although I was before I learned ^^ |
| [06:40:40] | mzb_d800: | I suspect #1 is myth/lirc-related |
| [06:40:54] | mzb_d800: | and that #2 is (my) hardware |
| [06:41:07] | mzb_d800: | but I've not worked out a way to confirm either way |
| [06:41:18] | mzb_d800: | Andrew_Barber: ^ |
| [06:42:06] | Andrew_Barber: | haha, just saw you responded |
| [06:42:34] | Andrew_Barber: | exiting myth takes no time at all |
| [06:42:43] | Andrew_Barber: | that seems easier |
| [06:43:01] | mzb_d800: | in my case restarting myth doesn't necessarily solve the problem (because of #2) |
| [06:43:30] | mzb_d800: | so I have to go through the procedure (#1 is quick, #2 involves getting off the couch;) |
| [06:44:18] | mzb_d800: | # irw, and then press a few buttons is a lot faster than restarting myth ;) (particularly if watching something at the time) |
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| [06:45:54] | mzb_d800: | ah stuff it ... close enough to beer o'clock |
| [06:46:26] | pat_: | anytime after breakfast is beer o'clock |
| [06:46:43] | pat_: | not really much of a fan of breakfast beer |
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| [08:17:11] | Maliuta: | anyone reading the "X2 5000 enough to play HD?" thread on the mailing list? |
| [08:17:51] | directhex: | it's gone up from a 3800+ i see |
| [08:18:10] | Maliuta: | can't believe what some ppl are saying ... I was watching (.au dvb-t) HD chans on a single core pentium4M 1.7 with no issues what so ever |
| [08:18:13] | directhex: | and "enough to play hd", as was explained more than once, is a "how long is a piece of string" query |
| [08:18:19] | Maliuta: | frontend and backend on the same machine |
| [08:19:24] | Maliuta: | one guy claiming that you need a quad core or and uberpowerful amd64 dualcore to watch HD in .nz |
| [08:19:35] | Maliuta: | I seriously doubt that |
| [08:19:59] | purserj: | Maliuta: you're watching straight mpeg, file types like .mkv and the like are seriously chunky |
| [08:20:09] | Maliuta: | I would think that anything that can handle decoding an showing a dvd in decent quality should be able to handle it |
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| [08:21:08] | Maliuta: | is he watching ASTC or whatever the US are using? |
| [08:21:46] | Andrew_Barber: | mythweather is stuck on "loading." |
| [08:21:52] | ** Maliuta is getting pissed off ** | |
| [08:21:54] | directhex: | purserj, the reverse tends to be true |
| [08:22:01] | Maliuta: | waiting on 2 tuners to be delivered |
| [08:22:28] | Andrew_Barber: | anyway to get mythweather to work? |
| [08:23:10] | Maliuta: | purserj: I'd probably put it down to people that can't install machines ... mine are all lean and mean. with me coming from the days where to make a system usable you had to remove all the cruft and save every bit of ram you could |
| [08:23:34] | Maliuta: | Andrew_Barber: I had no luck, I think I'm going to write modules to use better sources though |
| [08:23:34] | directhex: | you're wrong, but it's not worth the argument. i have a bus to catch |
| [08:24:21] | Andrew_Barber: | yeah, it seems the sources change all the time |
| [08:24:35] | Andrew_Barber: | have you done any searching to see if anyone has done that already? |
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| [08:27:15] | purserj: | the problem is mythweather relies essentially on screen scraping doesnt it? |
| [08:27:42] | Maliuta: | nah, I just looked at what they were and figured they'd be next to useless for me anyhow |
| [08:28:16] | Maliuta: | purserj: probably. If I write something it'll be METAR based, like my weather plugin for serendipity |
| [08:29:27] | Andrew_Barber: | so i just did my first test recording, and it was 2.2 GB for a 1 hr recording...standard? |
| [08:30:52] | purserj: | yup if it's digital |
| [08:33:38] | Andrew_Barber: | it's analog |
| [08:33:44] | Andrew_Barber: | from a STB |
| [08:34:06] | Andrew_Barber: | mpeg2 via a pvr-150 |
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| [08:42:50] | clever: | i can make my pvr150 give files that big if i set the bitrate to 4400kbit |
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| [08:47:37] | Lollero: | hi. I receive all my dvb channels in 2 multiplexes, one has field 'sistandard' set to 'dvb' and other has 'mpeg' in the dtv_multiplex table. What's the difference? |
| [08:48:10] | Andrew_Barber: | clever: this was my default...where can i change the bitrate? |
| [08:48:34] | clever: | mythfrontend->settings->tv settings->recording profiles->encoder profiles |
| [08:48:36] | clever: | default |
| [08:50:26] | mzb_d800: | I was under the impression that the "high end" HD requirements were due to h264 ... not mpeg2 |
| [08:51:33] | Andrew_Barber: | i dunno...i was shocked by the size |
| [08:51:52] | Andrew_Barber: | i also had some mysterious "live tv" files of the same recording |
| [08:58:21] | purserj: | mzb_d800: HD transmission in Aus is mpeg2 |
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| [09:04:29] | directhex: | i told Maliuta he was wrong, but for too many people, "HD" is a singular requirement |
| [09:05:46] | justinh: | safer to give a sweeping statement assuming HD is the hardest thing to play back, after all |
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| [09:06:33] | directhex: | better than a sweeping statement saying "I was watching HD chans on a single core pentium4M 1.7 with no issues what so ever" |
| [09:06:53] | directhex: | since buying too much cpu is less of a waste than buying too little then needing to re-buy |
| [09:07:11] | ximba: | re-hex |
| [09:07:28] | Maliuta: | directhex: well it was just my 3 y/o laptop |
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| [09:07:51] | Maliuta: | directhex: even the box I have to use now is a single core 5200+ ... because it was cheap |
| [09:07:52] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber_: I told you last night. |
| [09:08:02] | directhex: | Maliuta, great. low bitrate 720p mpeg2 WILL play on any old shit. |
| [09:08:14] | justinh: | I'm getting sick of you people asking the same DUMB questions repeatedly |
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| [09:08:24] | Maliuta: | directhex: even the 1080p stuff was fine |
| [09:08:32] | directhex: | from what source? |
| [09:08:51] | Maliuta: | directhex: from twinhan dvb-t tuner |
| [09:09:03] | directhex: | there's no 1080p stuff coming in over dvb-anything |
| [09:09:26] | Maliuta: | directhex: 10HD in .au is supposed to be 1080p |
| [09:09:33] | directhex: | here, give this a shot. it's HD, so will play fine on your p4 1.7. http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts |
| [09:11:33] | Maliuta: | so HD is a generic term that doesn't specify what the actual data stream is ... that's what you're saying? |
| [09:11:46] | directhex: | yes. |
| [09:11:51] | Maliuta: | similar to SIP or VOIP |
| [09:12:05] | directhex: | HD means "1280x720 or more resolution". nothing more. |
| [09:12:07] | ximba: | sasipvane |
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| [09:12:23] | ximba: | or more? cool, where |
| [09:12:34] | ximba: | oic 1080* |
| [09:12:48] | directhex: | ximba, most countries, which use 1920x1080. or optical media. |
| [09:13:03] | ximba: | high++ resolution |
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| [09:13:48] | directhex: | Maliuta, so how was the bbc hd sample then? that's broadcast hd. unencrypted dvb-s. |
| [09:14:36] | Andrew_Barber_: | justinh: what did you tell me last night? |
| [09:15:26] | clever: | directhex: when i play that sample on my laptop, it peggs at 100% usage but doesnt have any sync problems |
| [09:15:27] | clever: | but this is the only system i have at this speed |
| [09:15:30] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber_: I told you that the recording quality can be adjusted in the recording profiles section of setup |
| [09:16:27] | directhex: | clever, now try http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./premiere-paff.ts |
| [09:17:20] | clever: | that will take another 7mins to dl |
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| [09:17:34] | sid3windr: | oh no, 7 mins! ;/ |
| [09:17:47] | clever: | and by then i will be in another room on a slower computer:P |
| [09:18:20] | sid3windr: | wtf, you're in The Cube 4, where the rooms and time is moving, but there are computers installed now and they're getting slower every cube-switch?! |
| [09:18:32] | clever: | A:73537.2 V:73537.9 A-V: -0.669 ct: -0.280 70/ 70 203% 30% 1.3% 46 0 0% |
| [09:18:34] | clever: | when i play a peice of it |
| [09:21:28] | directhex: | Maliuta, you should try that one too. http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./premiere-paff.ts – german HDTV i think. |
| [09:22:11] | clever: | the bbc one is unwatchable on my 1ghz laptop |
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| [09:22:20] | clever: | video is lagging and audio stuttering |
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| [09:22:31] | justinh: | clever: no shit? wow. you do amaze me |
| [09:22:45] | justinh: | h.264 AVC video @ 1080i doesn't play on a 1Ghz machine! |
| [09:22:53] | clever: | :P |
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| [09:23:19] | clever: | i'll just go back to my xvid encodes:P |
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| [09:23:27] | justinh: | doesn't play on a core2 duo t5600 either. not without a skiploopfilter doodah |
| [09:23:43] | clever: | it seemed to run ok on a single core 1.6ghz |
| [09:23:57] | justinh: | now I know you're lying |
| [09:24:20] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz |
| [09:24:35] | justinh: | oh you're obviously not still talking about the BBC HD clip |
| [09:24:57] | clever: | thats the one ive tested all the way thru |
| [09:25:12] | justinh: | that will not play on any 1.6Ghz machine |
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| [09:26:08] | justinh: | not unless you happen to be using a high end nvidia card on windows :P |
| [09:26:36] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) |
| [09:26:39] | clever: | under linux:P |
| [09:26:53] | justinh: | no frickin way. not even remotely possible |
| [09:27:11] | clever: | and no i didnt force it to use xvmc or anything special |
| [09:27:30] | directhex: | clever, play it with the sound turned up. listen for the sound of her flicking the knife, versus when it happens on-screen |
| [09:27:44] | justinh: | never mind that look at the framerate |
| [09:27:46] | clever: | im not at that computer anymore |
| [09:27:50] | sid3windr: | lol =p |
| [09:27:57] | sid3windr: | you really are in the cube |
| [09:27:58] | sid3windr: | :/ |
| [09:28:11] | justinh: | you're not on planet Earth if it even attempted to play that file |
| [09:28:13] | sid3windr: | "the computer's gone, and everyone around me was killed with a giant laser" |
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| [09:28:43] | clever: | sid3windr: i just went back to bed:P |
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| [09:43:29] | Andrew_Barber__: | justinh: what did you tell me last night? |
| [09:43:39] | justinh: | I already told you that too |
| [09:43:48] | ximba: | heh |
| [09:43:55] | justinh: | if your internet is broken that isn't my fault |
| [09:44:04] | Andrew_Barber__: | i've been disconnected a couple times |
| [09:44:06] | ximba: | thats why he asks.. |
| [09:44:52] | Andrew_Barber__: | alright, whatever |
| [09:45:02] | ximba: | ;/ |
| [09:45:22] | Andrew_Barber__: | what bitrate and resolution do you guys record in? |
| [09:46:20] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber: can one change the recording quality within myth? |
| [09:46:28] | justinh: | ustinh: Andrew_Barber: depends. if you use a V4L framegrabber or an mpeg2 encoding analogue card, YES. If not, you get what you get |
| [09:46:37] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber: i have mpeg2 (pvr-150) |
| [09:46:43] | justinh: | justinh: then you need to look at Recording Profiles |
| [09:46:50] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber: okay |
| [09:46:59] | justinh: | Andrew_Barber: but there is no hotkey? |
| [09:47:10] | justinh: | so yes I did tell you what clever had to tell you again today |
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| [09:47:44] | Andrew_Barber__: | i'm sorry, i forgot about that |
| [09:48:10] | Andrew_Barber__: | it was late and i had been working on it all day |
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| [09:49:17] | fryfrog: | at least it isn't on gentoo, you'd still be getting X11 working ;) |
| [09:50:50] | justinh: | anyway I always found 2GB/hour ok. I experimented with lower bitrate settings & found they looked like shit |
| [09:51:16] | justinh: | that's how most people come to an acceptable tradeoff of disk space vs quality. They try things out for themselves |
| [09:52:56] | justinh: | I'm sure you could save heaps of HDD space by recording at 160x120 at 2kbps but it might not be watchable |
| [09:53:01] | Andrew_Barber__: | yeah, i was gonna try some different things |
| [09:53:35] | ximba: | whats the 2gb/h bitrate, just to knwo |
| [09:53:54] | justinh: | fdhsjkdlghjkweroui? |
| [09:53:57] | ximba: | sorenson |
| [09:54:11] | ximba: | apfel |
| [09:54:14] | purserj: | it's the default recording profile |
| [09:54:18] | ximba: | k |
| [09:54:27] | justinh: | default mpeg2 recording profile in mythtv for use with PVR tuner cards |
| [09:55:20] | justinh: | the bitrate is actually variable but averages about 2GB/hr |
| [09:55:47] | ximba: | the world still needs some good encoding formats |
| [09:56:18] | justinh: | the world has got bigger disks. no need |
| [09:56:48] | justinh: | oh what's that you say? you want to keep EVERYTHING you ever record? tough |
| [09:57:03] | ximba: | heh my msg still stays .?0u1 |
| [09:57:13] | Andrew_Barber__: | i think i saw 386 |
| [09:57:21] | ximba: | welcome |
| [09:57:22] | Andrew_Barber__: | but then i saw a couple sliders |
| [09:57:38] | Andrew_Barber__: | that had 420 on them |
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| [11:11:02] | ^mICK: | Hi all, been looking trough the forums but cant find anyone with the same issues. when i watch live tv and change channel ( have dvb-c cards ) i tears and makes a loud popping noise in the sound once every 10–20 seconds, but if i skip back once and watch over again there is no more problem?? is it trying to read to early on the livetv buffer? or what can it be? |
| [11:11:40] | laga: | what' |
| [11:11:45] | laga: | s in the playback logs |
| [11:13:05] | ^mICK: | let me check to see if i have one of those |
| [11:13:55] | ^mICK: | alot of NVP prebuffering pauses |
| [11:14:34] | ^mICK: | 2008-08–28 12:24:16.420 [mpeg2video @ 0xb73dab88]ac-tex damaged at 22 28 |
| [11:14:34] | ^mICK: | 2008-08–28 12:24:16.421 [mpeg2video @ 0xb73dab88]Warning MVs not available |
| [11:14:34] | ^mICK: | and these occour too |
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| [11:18:02] | ^mICK: | anyone? first time i've had this problem now on 3 boxes, very weird |
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| [11:28:20] | fryfrog: | stop watching live tv? :( |
| [11:31:28] | Lollero: | okay.. i've now tested with virtual tuners set to 1, and stille some (seems random to me) programs don't get recoreded, no mpg file created |
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| [11:37:46] | ^mICK: | fryfrog yes, good solution :) |
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| [12:34:23] | justinh: | heheheh the -users list seems to be discussing HD again. apparently HD == apple trailers now. ROFL |
| [12:35:38] | directhex: | justinh, i think the x264 premiere paff sample is the new file to use to shut people up |
| [12:35:54] | laga: | premiere == premiere hd? |
| [12:35:59] | directhex: | yes |
| [12:36:05] | laga: | haha |
| [12:36:22] | laga: | works OK here with updated ffmpeg and skiploopfilter patch |
| [12:36:25] | laga: | it stutters sometimes |
| [12:36:40] | laga: | but it's certainly not "oh noes teh HDs" anymore |
| [12:36:58] | directhex: | laga, on what CPU? |
| [12:37:16] | laga: | E6300 |
| [12:37:33] | laga: | ubuntu intrepid will likely have the same patch set |
| [12:37:54] | directhex: | http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./premiere-paff.ts ? |
| [12:38:32] | laga: | let me download that and try it |
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| [12:40:04] | directhex: | building svn mplayer. with medibuntu hardy, it just kills it dead |
| [12:40:10] | directhex: | unkillably dead |
| [12:40:42] | laga: | directhex: if you can wait a few days, there will be updated packages in the weekly build PPA |
| [12:41:55] | laga: | yeah, it plays fine. there is some motion blur, but that might be caused by the deinterlacer |
| [12:42:07] | laga: | it also disables and enables deinterlacing a lot |
| [12:43:13] | laga: | directhex: leaves my box 40% idle |
| [12:43:52] | directhex: | skipping loopfilter? |
| [12:44:04] | laga: | yeah.. it should |
| [12:44:23] | laga: | i had to update that patch, janneg found a bug in it, but it should still have disabled the loop filter |
| [12:44:34] | directhex: | don't. chances are it makes a significant difference to this one |
| [12:44:51] | laga: | wrt quality? |
| [12:45:11] | directhex: | yah |
| [12:45:26] | laga: | okay |
| [12:45:33] | laga: | i'll disable ti |
| [12:45:55] | laga: | the skipping, that is ;) |
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| [12:47:17] | laga: | directhex: now it was 20% idle and there was some skipping and stuttering :/ |
| [12:47:21] | laga: | damn you, prebuffer pause |
| [12:47:29] | laga: | i'm not sure if it made a big difference quality-wise |
| [12:47:59] | justinh: | can we not just pay our $10 each & have GPU decoding? |
| [12:48:06] | justinh: | pwease? |
| [12:48:20] | laga: | yeah... |
| [12:48:42] | laga: | maybe some GPGPU stuff |
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| [12:51:46] | directhex: | oh god, i feel ill |
| [12:52:00] | directhex: | albatron are shipping pci geforce 8 cards. |
| [12:52:22] | sid3windr: | cool |
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| [12:52:51] | directhex: | with HDMI. god help us. |
| [12:53:41] | laga: | how much are they? |
| [12:53:48] | laga: | i wish there were more pcie x1 cards |
| [12:54:07] | sid3windr: | why? |
| [12:55:23] | directhex: | http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/product/vg . . . n&no=249 |
| [12:55:39] | laga: | because i'd like to to do something useful with these slots ;) |
| [12:56:16] | directhex: | moar tv cards plz! |
| [12:56:23] | directhex: | dual dvb cards on cpie 1x would be nice |
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| [12:57:15] | Maliuta: | how about some mini-pci dvb-t cards, the mini-pci slots generally go unused |
| [12:57:53] | directhex: | mythbackend is the opposite of a laptop app |
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| [12:58:45] | Maliuta: | I have desktops with mini-pci slots |
| [12:59:22] | justinh: | yup. hardware that retarded is for real |
| [13:01:32] | Maliuta: | and they stick it in a really odd place too, above the pcie slot near the back panel |
| [13:01:50] | Maliuta: | another has it at the other end past the last pci slot |
| [13:03:36] | clever: | damnit |
| [13:03:45] | clever: | my master backend is still aborting when ending some recordings |
| [13:04:15] | clever: | *** glibc detected *** mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x082a59c9 *** |
| [13:05:08] | sid3windr: | Maliuta: what board is that? |
| [13:05:40] | Maliuta: | sid3windr: which one? |
| [13:05:46] | sid3windr: | with mini pci slot |
| [13:06:07] | Maliuta: | on at least one MSI board I have in service |
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| [13:18:29] | gbee: | anyone here using metallurgy? |
| [13:19:08] | rooaus: | yeah :) |
| [13:19:38] | styelz: | im using the osd |
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| [13:24:26] | gbee: | rooaus: any missing icons, or other problems? I'm just taking a few minutes to fix what I can before it (possibly) goes into Intrepid |
| [13:25:08] | troldrik: | Re: that premiere.ts clip, mplayer chugs on my e8400... but in windows it plays fine with ffdshow using 2 cores. @_@ |
| [13:25:24] | rooaus: | gbee: just a sec... |
| [13:26:05] | gbee: | I've fixed contrast in the listbtnarea and listtreearea, I've fixed the missing icons for the screen setup wizard and mythtv-setup |
| [13:27:19] | gbee: | but since I'm not running 0.21 etc I can't see or remember all the issues |
| [13:29:07] | rooaus: | cool... missing "video gallery", "import files" in mythmusic and from memory a couple in mytharchive. |
| [13:29:45] | rooaus: | I have recently upgraded to trunk, but I think the above ones were also in 0.21 from memory. |
| [13:29:47] | styelz: | i noticed there is 1 line chopped off in the listing |
| [13:29:51] | styelz: | erm |
| [13:30:00] | styelz: | 1 sec |
| [13:32:01] | styelz: | i think that was for a different skin |
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| [13:32:34] | styelz: | on metalurgy though, in music, i cant select individual songs within a album folder |
| [13:32:43] | styelz: | thats why i changed |
| [13:33:03] | styelz: | maybe i have it setup wrong |
| [13:33:18] | rooaus: | gbee: Nice to see it may make it into intrepid, I think it deserves wider exposure. |
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| [13:33:40] | styelz: | the little arrow doesnt show up sometimes |
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| [13:34:58] | gbee: | it's a mythtv bug, one which I don't have time to fix right now and went unnoticed because I don't use the crappy "Show Full Music Tree" option enabled |
| [13:35:19] | styelz: | ah cool |
| [13:35:31] | gbee: | AFAIK, the selector is on those tracks but just isn't visible |
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| [13:36:21] | styelz: | nice work anyway |
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| [13:38:27] | gbee: | wish I had time to draw some additional icons |
| [13:38:45] | styelz: | seems to work if i go out/in again to the sub folder |
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| [13:38:51] | styelz: | its in the right place |
| [13:39:17] | ChinoChano: | hello guys! |
| [13:39:33] | ChinoChano: | i am reading the docs!! (didn t see the message in the chat... sorry) |
| [13:40:20] | styelz: | hi ChinoChano |
| [13:42:04] | ChinoChano: | hi styelz |
| [13:42:06] | ChinoChano: | :) |
| [13:42:35] | styelz: | gbee: is it also a mythbug regarding the preview video size in watch recordings |
| [13:43:11] | ChinoChano: | i am wondering: when "pausing" liveTV or rewinding, I guess there must be some kind or recording then... My question: do these recordings are automatically deleted? |
| [13:43:25] | ChinoChano: | i don t have much space left in my devices... |
| [13:44:08] | justinh: | livetv recordings are deleted almost immediately if they're < 2 minutes |
| [13:44:35] | justinh: | otherwise they're expired either after 24 hours or when disk space reaches a threshold (default 1GB free) |
| [13:44:53] | ChinoChano: | ok! good to know... cause yesterday, trying to get TV working with nice signal, I figured out i was recording....Nice securities |
| [13:45:27] | ChinoChano: | and i was afraid so I had to delete them one by one... this is nice. |
| [13:45:48] | styelz: | gbee: on mine, the previews in watch recordings are squished and have black on top/bottom .. but in EPG it is fine |
| [13:46:38] | ChinoChano: | the frontends: does my girlfriend, from her laptop (not necessarily in the same network, but my computer is reachable from sftp) in windows will be able to run just a frontend (even if mythtv is not ok for windows)? |
| [13:47:01] | ChinoChano: | hard... no? |
| [13:47:40] | justinh: | no you can't run mythfrontend on windows |
| [13:47:56] | styelz: | mythtv player works ok |
| [13:47:58] | iamlindoro: | You can't run myth via sftp, and even if you could, it's doubtful your internet connection is fast enough to run a frontend over the internet |
| [13:47:59] | styelz: | on win |
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| [13:48:13] | styelz: | its live tv works now |
| [13:48:24] | ChinoChano: | ok. and if my girlfriend 's laptop suddenly goes linux?! |
| [13:48:27] | ** styelz hides ** | |
| [13:48:38] | iamlindoro: | then your internet connection is still too slow :) |
| [13:48:49] | iamlindoro: | (as is hers) |
| [13:48:59] | ChinoChano: | ok. and if it were in the same network? |
| [13:49:00] | gbee: | styelz: the watch recordings screen uses a better method for determining the aspect ratio, but it means that if your screen aspect is incorrectly identified or non-square then the preview will be sized incorrectly |
| [13:49:10] | iamlindoro: | then yes, a linux laptop on the same network would be fine |
| [13:49:17] | ChinoChano: | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [13:49:20] | ChinoChano: | wow |
| [13:49:24] | ChinoChano: | lofley |
| [13:49:27] | ChinoChano: | :) |
| [13:49:30] | styelz: | yes, i have a plasma tv its 16/9 screen but 4:3 res |
| [13:49:35] | styelz: | maybe why |
| [13:50:09] | ChinoChano: | so if she has a linux dostro, she will be able to see from mythtv all the image galleries, movies, sounds, in her computer? |
| [13:50:22] | styelz: | diskless mythclient is nice |
| [13:50:23] | iamlindoro: | assuming you set it up properly, yes |
| [13:50:27] | justinh: | unless you share them over NFS, NO |
| [13:50:52] | ChinoChano: | THAT S LOVELY! justinh what do you mean? |
| [13:51:01] | ChinoChano: | i need to use NFS then |
| [13:51:02] | iamlindoro: | he means just what he says |
| [13:51:08] | justinh: | I mean that mythtv only streams TV |
| [13:51:16] | iamlindoro: | to do what you wish, you will need to network mount the images, movies, and music |
| [13:51:16] | justinh: | it will not stream videos, music or images |
| [13:51:17] | ChinoChano: | yes but my englih is not my first nor my second language... |
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| [13:51:41] | gbee: | ChinoChano: he means that the plugins, mythgallery, mythvideo, mythmusic don't currently permit streaming to remote clients – you have to NFS mount the remote drives |
| [13:52:06] | styelz: | NFS ftw |
| [13:52:07] | gbee: | but TV/recordings will stream without any additional configuration |
| [13:52:10] | ChinoChano: | ok. so the difficulty is of another kind. This would have been awesome... |
| [13:52:28] | justinh: | e.g. your videos are at /myth/videos on the backend machine. export that and mount it to /myth/videos on the other frontend machine(s) |
| [13:52:39] | justinh: | no difficulty. easy as pie |
| [13:52:53] | ChinoChano: | :) well, must be NFS and samba... |
| [13:53:02] | styelz: | sshfs |
| [13:53:05] | styelz: | heh |
| [13:53:05] | gbee: | you can access videos/music/pictures on remote clients without too much trouble, it's just not plug & play like TV/Recordings |
| [13:53:21] | ChinoChano: | first things first: laptop of my girlfriend on linux. |
| [13:53:36] | gbee: | however we'd like that to change, so in future versions music/video/images will stream from the backend |
| [13:53:56] | ChinoChano: | Then, samba and NFS. Then, gorgeous. |
| [13:54:06] | justinh: | if she loves linux :D |
| [13:54:15] | styelz: | all girls love linux |
| [13:54:18] | styelz: | :O |
| [13:54:23] | ChinoChano: | she has some apprehensions... but in windows too... :D |
| [13:54:25] | styelz: | erm i mean.. you know |
| [13:54:34] | justinh: | when I had linux on my desktop my wife absolutely refused to use it |
| [13:55:05] | justinh: | now I just use linux for mythtv work |
| [13:55:12] | ChinoChano: | she uses mine, she has an account. but she prefers using her laptop than my clmputer... and she messed a lot of things in my computer one day.. so she got "scarred" |
| [13:55:30] | ChinoChano: | "scared" |
| [13:56:04] | ChinoChano: | (i lost my temper...) (instead of logging out from my account, she used mine, and ...... catacrac) |
| [13:56:32] | justinh: | that's what slapping is for :P |
| [13:56:38] | styelz: | lol |
| [13:56:55] | justinh: | <slap> don't <slap> do <slap> that <slap> again! <slap slap slap> |
| [13:57:00] | ChinoChano: | :) Now she just doesn t want to here about it... |
| [13:57:10] | ChinoChano: | to hear... |
| [13:57:14] | ChinoChano: | (sorry again) |
| [13:57:23] | styelz: | no root |
| [13:57:34] | ChinoChano: | my user has root privileges in some apps. |
| [13:57:54] | justinh: | ChinoChano: using the wrong hear/hear could get you confused for somebody who lives in the UK :P |
| [13:57:57] | ChinoChano: | but basically she deleted my panels, my notes, .... |
| [13:58:29] | ChinoChano: | justinh, i don t get it... :( |
| [13:58:32] | styelz: | hear has an ear in it.. for listening |
| [13:58:44] | styelz: | here is in there as in over there |
| [13:58:46] | ChinoChano: | SHIT ! TRUE!!! |
| [13:58:50] | justinh: | ChinoChano: why does a dog lick its privates? |
| [13:59:03] | justinh: | because it can! |
| [13:59:23] | justinh: | make it unpossible to do damage & as if by magic no harmful things will happen |
| [13:59:26] | styelz: | how many beans make five |
| [13:59:50] | styelz: | five beans make five |
| [14:00:00] | ChinoChano: | yes but if I have your desktop, i can delete panels, delete files, delete bookmarks, remove things from panel... |
| [14:00:21] | justinh: | like I'd be silly enough to give my wife the password to my dev machine |
| [14:00:34] | gbee: | justinh: install linux with a windows theme, then tell her it's the new version of Vista and Office ;) |
| [14:00:53] | ChinoChano: | :D :D :D :D "I AM SURE YOU ARE HIDING SOMETHING FROM ME AND THAT S WHY YOUY DON T WANT ME TO USE YOUR ACCOUNT" |
| [14:01:03] | ChinoChano: | :D :D :D :D I m sure I m not the only one here... |
| [14:01:07] | styelz: | <slap> |
| [14:01:19] | justinh: | no trust? ooo that's a bad relationship |
| [14:01:27] | gbee: | for most people it's just a psychological barrier |
| [14:01:32] | ChinoChano: | she s a bit jealous... |
| [14:01:38] | gbee: | switching to something other than Windows that is |
| [14:01:38] | SHADOW__X: | or does she have something to hide |
| [14:01:39] | SHADOW__X: | :D |
| [14:01:51] | ChinoChano: | no |
| [14:02:23] | ChinoChano: | it s ok. she removd the panels, I said "OKAY?!!!!!" (with more emphasis...) |
| [14:02:42] | justinh: | always tidying up! |
| [14:02:57] | ChinoChano: | and instead of using her account (great and lovely with nice easy accesses to the main things) |
| [14:03:05] | ChinoChano: | she just uses no more the computer. |
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| [14:03:22] | justinh: | either way that's a victory then |
| [14:03:30] | ChinoChano: | :D :D without slap |
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| [14:04:08] | justinh: | one of my friends has a girlfriend he lives with. she has no job. she doesn't cook or clean.. or ever put out. all she does is go on Second Life |
| [14:04:23] | ChinoChano: | second battle: buy a 2"5 hard drive and install linux on her laptop without her to know. then change the cartridges |
| [14:04:33] | ChinoChano: | WOW |
| [14:04:47] | ChinoChano: | well, mine plays urban terror... |
| [14:05:11] | justinh: | we keep telling him to get rid of her but I think he lives in hope |
| [14:05:20] | SHADOW__X: | justinh: that just sounds like a leech |
| [14:05:34] | justinh: | non-paying lodger |
| [14:05:50] | styelz: | rmuser |
| [14:06:20] | justinh: | and to think I still find it funny to meet people who are cynical about relationships :D |
| [14:06:22] | ChinoChano: | :) he has to give her an old PC and the trick is done. |
| [14:07:24] | ChinoChano: | yesterday you told me something for the TV |
| [14:07:27] | SHADOW__X: | block her mac addy from the net |
| [14:07:40] | SHADOW__X: | then she HAS to do somehing else |
| [14:07:51] | justinh: | SHADOW__X: lure her out of the house, change the locks |
| [14:08:10] | ChinoChano: | THAT S the aggressive way :) |
| [14:08:20] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [14:08:20] | justinh: | oh sorry, only people who contribute to the household in some way can stay! |
| [14:08:21] | SHADOW__X: | true |
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| [14:08:41] | SHADOW__X: | is she atleast attractive |
| [14:08:42] | SHADOW__X: | lol |
| [14:08:46] | ChinoChano: | put the computer out of the flat. give her laxants. When she leaves the computer to go to some public toilets, go home with the computer, change locks. |
| [14:08:51] | justinh: | SHADOW__X: not really |
| [14:09:12] | styelz: | some people cant handle being alone |
| [14:09:23] | SHADOW__X: | hm |
| [14:10:04] | justinh: | oh don't get me wrong we know why he's not chucked her out yet |
| [14:10:23] | justinh: | he's not getting any younger & it'd mean he'd be single again officially. |
| [14:10:52] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [14:10:56] | justinh: | but er.. that's pretty much not an issue in real terms anyway we say :) |
| [14:11:08] | ChinoChano: | "You must not use ReiserFS v3 for your recordings. You will get corrupted recordings if you do." <- nice points... good to know,,, I ll check that... :) |
| [14:11:19] | directhex: | i don't know about that |
| [14:11:26] | justinh: | wah? who says that? |
| [14:11:26] | directhex: | but reiser is tuned for small files, not big ones |
| [14:11:38] | directhex: | personally i found JFS was the way to lose all your recordings |
| [14:12:03] | ChinoChano: | i read in the docs... |
| [14:12:05] | styelz: | what is mythfs ? |
| [14:12:12] | directhex: | reiser is more likely to murder your wife than corrupt your recordings. but that's not a high baseline |
| [14:12:15] | justinh: | I never lost my recordings on ext3 – but my database... oh dear |
| [14:12:19] | directhex: | styelz, a FUSE app? |
| [14:12:23] | styelz: | ah |
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| [14:13:47] | clever: | ext3 works fine for both my database and recordings |
| [14:14:17] | clever: | aslong as the fs never reaches 0 bytes free |
| [14:15:57] | ChinoChano: | XFS is slow on writing and deleting...sometimes even annoying... |
| [14:15:57] | ChinoChano: | ext3 is my personal choice for big files one would love being able to recover... |
| [14:16:02] | ChinoChano: | for the bad image quality /signal, should I rescan without using the TVSPANISH grabber? |
| [14:16:12] | justinh: | how many more times?! |
| [14:16:21] | justinh: | the xmltv grabber has nothing to do with the picture quality |
| [14:16:50] | directhex: | ChinoChano, ext3 will eat your cpu and take hours to delete large files. myth needs a special workaround mode for it, just to prevent recordings going bad if you delete something mid-record. |
| [14:17:33] | AndyCap: | hours? dunno about that. |
| [14:18:09] | styelz: | ive been using jfs for 6 months no isses yet |
| [14:18:10] | ChinoChano: | on my computer, the only one taking long minutes to RM is XFS on my home. All others (reiserfs, ext3) wrk perfectly... |
| [14:18:24] | directhex: | your home? as in lots of small files? |
| [14:18:25] | ChinoChano: | rm a small file... (1 Meg) |
| [14:18:27] | AndyCap: | directhex: what do you mean by big files? :) |
| [14:18:37] | directhex: | styelz, good luck |
| [14:18:42] | AndyCap: | typical recordings should be 1–8 GB? |
| [14:19:03] | clever: | i shrink my recordings to 200–500mb on avg |
| [14:19:08] | ChinoChano: | yep because I was told that tuning it (in the chats) would be even fast... I tried xfs on a data partition with movies and huge files,... it was SO slow I had to format it again. |
| [14:19:13] | clever: | horid quality but i can archive them longer |
| [14:19:35] | ChinoChano: | Then I tried it for VAR. It was slow again. I got upset. |
| [14:19:44] | AndyCap: | clever: Hehe, I'm so happy with the lossless cutting so I don't bother transcoding anymore |
| [14:19:58] | clever: | lossless transcoding segfaults |
| [14:20:05] | AndyCap: | oops |
| [14:20:09] | clever: | i saw a ticket for it somewhere |
| [14:20:14] | directhex: | xfs deletes are instant. that's one of the advantages. |
| [14:20:14] | AndyCap: | from what source? |
| [14:20:20] | clever: | mpeg2 pvr150 |
| [14:20:32] | AndyCap: | heh, good thing I'm lagging the releases then |
| [14:20:35] | ChinoChano: | I kept it for home. And again, bad idea. You re true, this is small files. But I had a backup so I could easily refoprmat it. I wanted to give it a try |
| [14:20:41] | ** AndyCap uses a pvr-350 ** | |
| [14:20:42] | clever: | AndyCap: im on trunk:P |
| [14:20:44] | AndyCap: | uh. 500 |
| [14:20:44] | SHADOW__X: | all my schedules recordings disappeared |
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| [14:21:48] | clever: | bbl |
| [14:21:51] | justinh: | SHADOW__X: try starting mythbackend with --resched |
| [14:22:08] | oobe: | hi when im using gnome gnomescreensaver keeps starting while im watching videos in mythtv does anyone know how to fix this |
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| [14:23:11] | styelz: | turn the screensaver off |
| [14:24:29] | SHADOW__X: | justinh: i just thought about it it may be because i put it to stop when the hd gets too low |
| [14:25:09] | oobe: | styelz, i know i can do that but i would prefer not to |
| [14:30:02] | styelz: | oobe: what player are you using ? |
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| [14:32:07] | SHADOW__X: | thanks justinh that cleared it up |
| [14:32:12] | SHADOW__X: | how does that happen normally |
| [14:33:34] | justinh: | SHADOW__X: dunno. hasn't happened to me since I upgraded to 0.21 |
| [14:33:42] | SHADOW__X: | hmm ok |
| [14:33:45] | SHADOW__X: | shit happens |
| [14:33:53] | SHADOW__X: | thanks for helping me getting it resolved |
| [14:34:00] | oobe: | styelz, im using Internal |
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| [14:36:01] | justinh: | np |
| [14:36:50] | justinh: | hrm apparently there were eight series of red dwarf :-O I thought they finished after 6 wonder how bad the last 2 were then.. |
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| [14:38:45] | sphery: | SHADOW__X: It can happen when you lose connection to the MySQL database. Are you using some super-new release of MySQL? |
| [14:39:24] | SHADOW__X: | nope |
| [14:39:29] | SHADOW__X: | havnt changed anything |
| [14:39:32] | sphery: | OK. Just curious. |
| [14:39:45] | SHADOW__X: | i dont care aslong as i got it fixed ya know |
| [14:39:48] | sphery: | Some MySQL settings can also cause drops. |
| [14:40:35] | justinh: | sphery: thing was when I was seeing it – nothing in my backend log about losing the connection |
| [14:41:29] | styelz: | series 7 is ok |
| [14:41:36] | sphery: | Yeah, we have better code in 0.21 to detect it, but based on things I've heard, it sounds like even that might not be picking up all cases. |
| [14:41:46] | justinh: | anyway whatever it was seems to be fixed for me :) |
| [14:41:49] | styelz: | the crew get re generated |
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| [14:58:02] | styelz: | oobe: how long till the screensaver kicks in? |
| [14:58:20] | styelz: | i see some old list stuff here. but its ubuntu related. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-November/058187.html |
| [14:58:42] | styelz: | and you need to set the SS to >=2 minutes |
| [14:58:48] | styelz: | according to that |
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| [15:02:04] | TBispo: | my screen is green. The problem is on the nvidia drivers? |
| [15:02:35] | iamlindoro__: | only if you have very old ones-- that problem was solved almost a year ago |
| [15:03:00] | TBispo: | no |
| [15:03:08] | TBispo: | i have the last one |
| [15:03:14] | iamlindoro__: | Then it's probably not that |
| [15:03:26] | TBispo: | in tvtime the video is ok |
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| [15:03:48] | TBispo: | but in mythtv the screen stay green |
| [15:03:59] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders how many times a day on average people use TVTime as an excuse for why myth should be working ** | |
| [15:04:15] | iamlindoro__: | When they are dissimilar in nearly every way |
| [15:04:15] | AndyCap: | 0.2? |
| [15:04:27] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap: Probably at *least* in the double digits |
| [15:04:36] | TBispo: | =/ |
| [15:04:59] | TBispo: | any help me please |
| [15:05:03] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: heh, Blessed are the ignorant. I thought people didn't buy tvtime compatible cards anymore. :P |
| [15:05:06] | styelz: | try experiment with the options in tv settings |
| [15:05:35] | justinh: | AndyCap: naw cheapskates are still common |
| [15:05:48] | iamlindoro__: | I would guess "Capture card set up completely incorrectly" |
| [15:05:58] | AndyCap: | yeah, I guess ebay and fleamarkets still exist |
| [15:06:17] | iamlindoro__: | TBispo: If you schedule a recording in myth, does it work? If so, is that recording playable in something else like mplayer? If not, then your capture card is set up wrong. |
| [15:06:39] | TBispo: | i have a hauppauge winTV-hvr-1800 |
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| [15:06:45] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, then give up anyway |
| [15:07:00] | iamlindoro__: | as even if you set it up "right" in myth, it still doesn't work with myth. |
| [15:07:11] | TBispo: | iamlindoro, i will try |
| [15:07:18] | iamlindoro__: | you will try to give up? |
| [15:07:26] | iamlindoro__: | I bet you'll succeed if you try to give up |
| [15:07:34] | iamlindoro__: | but in the end, GIVE UP |
| [15:07:40] | TBispo: | Oo |
| [15:07:45] | TBispo: | i never give up |
| [15:07:47] | iamlindoro__: | Because, and now this is two times, that card won't work with Myth |
| [15:07:52] | iamlindoro__: | ok, knock yourself out then |
| [15:08:13] | TBispo: | dont work? |
| [15:08:14] | TBispo: | Oo |
| [15:08:21] | iamlindoro__: | no, "don't work." |
| [15:08:34] | TBispo: | ... |
| [15:08:39] | SHADOW__X1: | heh |
| [15:08:56] | SHADOW__X1: | analog doesnt work under myth yet |
| [15:08:58] | SHADOW__X1: | :D |
| [15:09:07] | iamlindoro__: | analog w/ the 1800, that is |
| [15:09:13] | SHADOW__X1: | si senor |
| [15:09:15] | TBispo: | ya |
| [15:09:19] | SHADOW__X1: | sorry for no specification |
| [15:09:24] | TBispo: | i live in brazil |
| [15:09:26] | SHADOW__X1: | it works in linux though |
| [15:09:28] | justinh: | digital will work though. if you set it up correctly |
| [15:09:33] | SHADOW__X1: | yup |
| [15:09:33] | justinh: | ah |
| [15:09:34] | justinh: | oops |
| [15:09:35] | iamlindoro__: | not in brazil it won't :) |
| [15:09:41] | iamlindoro__: | ISDB |
| [15:09:45] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [15:09:53] | SHADOW__X1: | so why buy the 1800 |
| [15:09:54] | TBispo: | only have analog input in my state |
| [15:10:00] | iamlindoro__: | ^^ That's why |
| [15:10:19] | iamlindoro__: | Buy a HVR-1600, or a PVR-150 or 500 |
| [15:10:25] | iamlindoro__: | those will work splendidly |
| [15:10:38] | AndyCap: | PVR-500++ |
| [15:11:05] | SHADOW__X1: | mhm |
| [15:11:11] | TBispo: | iamlindoro, is ISDB-TB |
| [15:11:24] | iamlindoro__: | TBispo: yes, I'm aware, I said that ten lines ago :) |
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| [15:11:55] | TBispo: | a good card to play analog input? |
| [15:12:04] | iamlindoro__: | I said *that* about five lines ago |
| [15:12:08] | TBispo: | and have svideo input |
| [15:12:09] | iamlindoro__: | "iamlindoro__: Buy a HVR-1600, or a PVR-150 or 500" |
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| [15:13:10] | SHADOW__X1: | iamlindoro_ you just arent clear enough can you give me your card and receipt for a 500 |
| [15:13:41] | iamlindoro__: | My cards wouldn't do anyone seeking analog support any good :) |
| [15:13:45] | ** iamlindoro__ spits on analog ** | |
| [15:14:02] | styelz: | naww |
| [15:14:24] | iamlindoro__: | Just keep listening to that vinyl, hippie |
| [15:14:31] | SHADOW__X1: | heh |
| [15:15:13] | iamlindoro__: | <--- Actually *does* enjoy analog audio sources |
| [15:15:19] | iamlindoro__: | Just not TV, nosir |
| [15:15:22] | justinh: | that ISDB stuff looks way superior to DVB |
| [15:15:29] | justinh: | wax cylinders ftw! |
| [15:15:57] | TBispo: | tx for the help guys |
| [15:15:58] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: except for the MPEG-2 part, blech |
| [15:16:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: they're doing h.264 now |
| [15:16:41] | sphery: | gbee: If there are multiple solutions, the puzzle is not a valid sudoku... |
| [15:16:45] | justinh: | 54Mbits over one transponder |
| [15:16:59] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: only in Brazil, though, right? Thought strict ISDB was MPEg-2 only |
| [15:17:07] | gbee: | sphery: didn't know that :) Someone should tell the newspaper |
| [15:17:16] | sphery: | justinh: how was someone able to nick images without attribution with your CC license? (just curious about the license failure) |
| [15:17:25] | TBispo: | ISDB in brazil is mpeg-4 |
| [15:17:44] | iamlindoro__: | TBispo: That's because you guys are breaking the standard |
| [15:17:46] | justinh: | sphery: because the licence doesn't stop anybody flagrantly disregarding the T&Cs |
| [15:17:52] | iamlindoro__: | but it's actually in a good way, so that's ok |
| [15:18:14] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, it's been a requirement of the Number Place game and the sudoku offshoot, but there are many supposed sudoku's that have multiple solutions (not always properly checked before publishing) |
| [15:18:18] | TBispo: | venezuela uses isdb-tb too |
| [15:18:30] | sphery: | justinh: Oh. Makes sense. I forgot that part. |
| [15:18:32] | AndyCap: | sphery: how were people able to nick the latest hollywood movie? |
| [15:18:39] | justinh: | apple.com forbids screen scraping but it doesn't stop those trailer scripts trawling |
| [15:18:40] | oobe: | styelz, thanks for your help i decided to make to small scripts one that enable's the screen saver and one that disableds the screensaver then i binded them to the keys on my remote that were appropriate using irexec |
| [15:18:43] | sphery: | that doesn't happen, does it? |
| [15:19:03] | AndyCap: | sphery: no, of course not, that would be a tragedy |
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| [15:19:20] | justinh: | sphery: not making the stuff available in the first place tends to stop unauthorised uses though |
| [15:19:21] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: most likely because hollywood probably doesn't mind people going ape shit excited about download commercials for their movies :) |
| [15:19:39] | AndyCap: | hollywood would be screaming their heads off and demanding stricter laws and policing |
| [15:19:40] | sphery: | justinh: regarding apple.com, there /was/ a script in mythvideo called trailers.pl that scraped the apple site, but as soon as Anduin heard about it (and that it violates T's & C's), he removed it. |
| [15:20:16] | justinh: | I don't even know why they bother mentioning scraping in the T&Cs to be honest |
| [15:20:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: tell that to the genius who released the Serenity trailer in MS WMV format with full DRM (required WMP and downloading a /license/ to view their advertisement) |
| [15:20:50] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: mwaaahahaha |
| [15:21:10] | justinh: | we all use those sites & don't click on the embedded ads – and even if they get paid per ad displayed, you could just download it to /dev/null & nobody'd be any the wiser |
| [15:21:51] | justinh: | I mean how the hell do they _know_ a browser is looking at the page? as if user-agent can't be faked... |
| [15:22:08] | sphery: | justinh: However, there's a "new" script that was posted on the -user's list ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339240#339240 ) that uses the "XML data stream" from Apple (RSS?) and--I was vehemently assured, though without links to any T&C--that it's completely legit. |
| [15:22:26] | justinh: | sphery: sure if it's a 'feed' then it's fair game |
| [15:22:32] | sphery: | I really want to see a copy of the T&C for that |
| [15:22:41] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: the users list has become a useless sinkhole |
| [15:22:49] | sphery: | yes, it has |
| [15:23:02] | sphery: | though I tried to use it to figure out my prebuffering pauses |
| [15:23:03] | iamlindoro__: | Where any semblance of informed userhood is being driven off with torches and pitchforks |
| [15:23:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: I take it as a sign that mythtv is starting to reach the masses |
| [15:23:33] | iamlindoro__: | I've concluded that they would rather get a *wrong* answer than one that makes them feel bad |
| [15:23:57] | justinh: | look at the base level we get in here nowadays |
| [15:24:11] | justinh: | how many times do people have to be told the answers to their questions lately? |
| [15:24:12] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Hooray for "attracting new users" and "being open with the n00bs!" |
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| [15:24:55] | justinh: | yeah well sadly the amount of contributors hasn't swollen too |
| [15:25:04] | ** sphery thinks we should just send all n00bs to #ubuntu-mythtv (or the Ubuntu forums) ** | |
| [15:25:25] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: Yeah, *you* try telling them that-- every time you even imply there is a beter place, you get your head taken off |
| [15:25:40] | sphery: | (that was a joke, meant to indicate that Ubuntu-ites tend to be better at helping people that some of us lose our patience with) |
| [15:25:43] | ** justinh thinks the whole thing about being nice to everybody no matter how ignorant/obnoxious they are is having serious consequences all over ** | |
| [15:25:44] | iamlindoro__: | "This not is help room for Myth?" |
| [15:26:34] | iamlindoro__: | "Nobody knows?" |
| [15:26:42] | sphery: | not to mention the distro wars--because, of course, a n00b is best suited to determine which distro is best to use |
| [15:26:42] | iamlindoro__: | "PLLEASE HELPPPP!!!???!?!" |
| [15:26:43] | styelz: | asl? |
| [15:26:57] | iamlindoro__: | followed by an immediate part |
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| [15:27:27] | iamlindoro__: | oh, and my extra favorite, when you give someone an answer they don't like and they say something nasty like, "Anyone here who KNOWS what they're talking about?" |
| [15:27:31] | jackson__: | shoot, I thought I was in #mythtv-l33t |
| [15:27:48] | justinh: | linux is in serious trouble |
| [15:27:52] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm |
| [15:28:09] | directhex: | y so srs? |
| [15:28:11] | styelz: | the sky is falling? |
| [15:28:20] | sphery: | styelz: I've always wondered about that emoticon in MSN... Sounds kind of like something that would be used in places that MS shouldn't be encouraging people to use it (I should say, I'm assuming it doesn't mean "American Sign Language") |
| [15:28:23] | sid3windr: | 4eal |
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| [15:28:47] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: now you're just being emasculating |
| [15:29:07] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: and don't forget the followup when I was condescending |
| [15:29:21] | ** iamlindoro__ brandishes his nut-cutting knife ** | |
| [15:29:26] | sphery: | jackson__: that may be the answer... just create a #mythtv-l33t channel, and let all the n00bs play in there (might even keep users out of #mythtv, too) |
| [15:29:48] | jackson__: | hell, I was talking about you guys... |
| [15:30:02] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: I was somewhat vindicated this AM when the guy compiled with audio support and came back admitting he could no longer play even the 6 Mbit sample |
| [15:30:06] | justinh: | jackson__: nobody here is anti-new-person |
| [15:30:19] | iamlindoro__: | we're anti-illiterate rude person |
| [15:30:21] | ** directhex condasculates iamlindoro__ ** | |
| [15:30:34] | ** iamlindoro__ defenestrates directhex ** | |
| [15:30:39] | justinh: | we were all newbies once upon a time |
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| [15:31:37] | styelz: | snap out of it.. |
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| [15:32:29] | ivor: | gbee: heh just saw your name on the acerone forums! |
| [15:33:34] | gbee: | moi? |
| [15:33:53] | gbee: | :) |
| [15:34:05] | gbee: | leaving a trail all over the net ... |
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| [15:34:08] | ivor: | got mythtv on it yet then? |
| [15:34:12] | gbee: | yup |
| [15:34:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: here's a classic in the making: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight= |
| [15:34:32] | ivor: | only just got mine at the weekend and I've been tweaking away. |
| [15:34:37] | gbee: | frontend only, no plans for a backend yet |
| [15:34:43] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Hae sworn completely off even trying on that site |
| [15:34:51] | ivor: | backend! gulp! |
| [15:35:08] | gbee: | sticking with the default linpus install for now, although with some additional apps and tweaks |
| [15:35:24] | ivor: | ditto, I like the fast boot. just done basic stripping so far. |
| [15:35:26] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Great example being when I released my TV metadata scripts and said "no support under aNY CIRCUMSTANCES!" and proceeded to get a deluge of e-mail (not even forum responses) whining about how they couldn't make it work |
| [15:35:58] | ivor: | removed the desktop, enabled compiz, firefox->3, thunderbird , pidgin and so on. added bluetooth yesterday. |
| [15:36:17] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Ooooof, just read that post, you KNOW there will be a chorus of "Yeah, me too!s" followed by one or two people explaining reality and getting shouted down |
| [15:36:43] | gbee: | ivor: followed various blogs which talk about removing certain stuff (language packs), repackaging the driver to fix a the lack of dithering on the display |
| [15:36:57] | iamlindoro__: | with the predictable "But I can get ISOs for linux that way" explanation |
| [15:37:01] | ivor: | gbee: heh, I'm half way through the dithering one at the moment! |
| [15:37:06] | iamlindoro__: | even though that argument has NO bearing on what that guy is asking for |
| [15:37:12] | sphery: | justinh: I'm always surprised by how freely people post information about how they're violating copyright law... I would think that people would try to be more discreet. |
| [15:37:28] | ivor: | gbee: rather funky running compiz on it too. |
| [15:37:48] | gbee: | swapped the Acer Mail proggy (evolution) for Kmail – Thunderbird just doesn't support the threading options I need, installed KOnversation, haven't switch to FF3 yet |
| [15:37:48] | sphery: | I also don't understand the need to violate copyright law. With just my local channels (OTA), I record far more than I have time to watch... |
| [15:37:55] | ivor: | sphery: you'd be amazed at the percentage of idiots in the world. |
| [15:37:59] | gbee: | ivor: haven't tried compiz yet |
| [15:38:06] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: sphery: And for those who DO engage in stuff like that, is pressing alt-tab so freaking hard? |
| [15:38:12] | ** justinh tries to remember the name of the compiz-fusion plugin which hides the tops of windows behind the top bar... ** | |
| [15:38:26] | sphery: | some legacy thing |
| [15:38:26] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: apparently it is |
| [15:38:52] | ivor: | gbee: just fire up compiz-manager, the intel graphics seems more than up to the job. |
| [15:38:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: wouldn't they need to use some special thing to select the non-Myth app from one side of a cube? |
| [15:39:02] | gbee: | ivor: thinking about doing the touchscreen mod at some point, with the default desktop and mythtv I think that would be pretty cool |
| [15:39:12] | AndyCap: | gizmod! |
| [15:39:23] | ivor: | gbee: oooh nice. |
| [15:39:30] | ivor: | I'll put myth on it now I think.... |
| [15:39:51] | ** cesman wonders what device ivor and gbee are talking about... ** | |
| [15:40:02] | ivor: | cesman: oops. Acer Aspire One |
| [15:40:06] | sphery: | justinh: "legacy fullscreen"? |
| [15:40:14] | ivor: | just such a fab "toy" |
| [15:40:18] | sphery: | justinh: in the workarounds plugin |
| [15:41:03] | justinh: | sphery: not only on fullscreen apps. even windows :( |
| [15:41:38] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: heh |
| [15:41:39] | justinh: | I've considered just turning it off anyway. gets in the way a bit, specially when mythfrontend is running |
| [15:41:49] | justinh: | stealing focus, etc |
| [15:41:54] | sphery: | Oh. I don't know anything about compiz. That was just something I vaguely remembered from gbee's attempt to get the fullscreen thing to work with Myth. |
| [15:42:07] | cesman: | ivor: :) |
| [15:42:19] | gbee: | you need legacy fullscreen enabled for 0.21, should just work with trunk though |
| [15:42:36] | sphery: | have you tried it/verified with trunk? |
| [15:42:38] | javatexan: | moin |
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| [15:42:39] | sphery: | just curious |
| [15:42:51] | justinh: | no this is just general window behaviour, not mythfrontend |
| [15:43:05] | justinh: | trunk works great fullscreen or windowed – when it's behaving |
| [15:43:07] | javatexan: | what different languages (programming languages) are used making mythtv? |
| [15:43:07] | gbee: | not yet, but the window attribute should be set since the QT4 port – I can check in a minute |
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| [15:43:29] | justinh: | no matter where I put windows, the tops disappear into the taskbar at the top of the screen |
| [15:43:30] | gbee: | C++,C,Perl,PHP in order |
| [15:43:42] | gbee: | PHP is mythweb |
| [15:43:42] | styelz: | there is a Toggle Fullscreen one in "Extra WM Actions" like ALT-Enter in windows |
| [15:43:52] | styelz: | removes all decorations |
| [15:43:54] | ** sphery wonders why Dell's sales flyer lists a bunch of HDTV's in their "Back to School" sale items... ** | |
| [15:44:08] | styelz: | justinh: . |
| [15:44:11] | gbee: | C are mainly support libs we've pulled into the source, bulk of MythTV is C++ |
| [15:44:24] | justinh: | sphery: every kid going back to school needs a 42" Plasma in their rucksack! |
| [15:44:24] | javatexan: | okay |
| [15:44:56] | sphery: | justinh: Guess that explains all the concern over spinal curvature caused by carrying overly heavy backpacks for school |
| [15:45:11] | gbee: | perl is used for helper scripts |
| [15:45:14] | justinh: | there's some python there somewhere too (mytharchive helper scripts & suchlike) |
| [15:45:28] | ** gbee shudders ** | |
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| [15:46:14] | justinh: | whatever happened to mythpython? did it swallow more than it could digest? |
| [15:46:16] | javatexan: | I ask because I want to tie in new functionality to mythtv, but the bulk of the existing "libraries" are in python |
| [15:46:41] | justinh: | my advice would be: don't bother with python. learn real programming instead |
| [15:46:52] | javatexan: | its not my code |
| [15:46:56] | javatexan: | :) |
| [15:47:00] | justinh: | python is no 'easier' than anything else |
| [15:47:06] | javatexan: | I agree |
| [15:47:28] | justinh: | anyhow.. what functionality? |
| [15:48:15] | javatexan: | its a secret ;)...I will open things up when I have an alpha. Just trying to make sure I didnt get in trouble for using these libraries...LOL |
| [15:48:19] | sphery: | justinh: the python bindings are in there, but far from complete. |
| [15:48:23] | sphery: | the perl bindings are more complete. |
| [15:48:34] | justinh: | not mythpython though.. surely |
| [15:48:39] | sphery: | then there are things like gmyth |
| [15:48:52] | iamlindoro__: | smacks of a file transfer plugin to me |
| [15:48:53] | javatexan: | when I started...I didnt think about this little issue....doh |
| [15:49:12] | justinh: | somebody was doing frickin rails bindings a while back aswell |
| [15:49:27] | javatexan: | iamlindoro__: you are too smart for your own good...dont make me smack you LOL |
| [15:49:40] | sphery: | someone also said they were going to redesign the database code so it worked like rails and you could use any database at all... :) |
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| [15:49:46] | iamlindoro__: | doomed to waste away then, if I'm right |
| [15:50:03] | iamlindoro__: | would be nice to get some plugins that have a chance of going official :) |
| [15:50:08] | iamlindoro__: | although, yay mythtube |
| [15:50:11] | javatexan: | lol...prolly. |
| [15:50:12] | styelz: | heh. you guys er funny |
| [15:50:19] | sphery: | http://gmyth.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [15:50:29] | iamlindoro__: | styelz: how so? |
| [15:50:30] | justinh: | we don't need no steenking BT clients! |
| [15:50:44] | styelz: | i dont laugh this much in other channels |
| [15:50:56] | iamlindoro__: | Just wouldn't want anyone to put in a lot of work on a plugin hoping it would ever be official if it wouldn't |
| [15:51:10] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: why not? it's their time :D |
| [15:51:22] | iamlindoro__: | unofficial plugins, god bless 'em, more power to 'em, but there won't be support for them in here, either |
| [15:51:39] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Just don't want people laboring under false assumptions is all |
| [15:51:44] | sphery: | does, "hoping it would ever be official" = "hoping, eventually, some other poor schmuck would have to maintain it because it's in the upstream SVN repo"? |
| [15:51:44] | justinh: | or anywhere, if it's owt like mythfm |
| [15:51:47] | AndyCap: | what are the rules? |
| [15:52:17] | iamlindoro__: | nothing that could be even marginally construed as illegal, associated with illegal activity, or violates TOS of TOU |
| [15:52:27] | iamlindoro__: | s/of/or/ |
| [15:52:27] | AndyCap: | tou? |
| [15:52:35] | AndyCap: | oh. |
| [15:52:35] | iamlindoro__: | Terms of Use |
| [15:52:51] | justinh: | badly written, shabby... not listening to constructive input.... |
| [15:52:57] | AndyCap: | so basically mythtv wouldn't be allowed in mythtv. :> |
| [15:53:00] | javatexan: | this is more for ease of use... :) |
| [15:53:10] | javatexan: | my wife and kids have requested |
| [15:53:12] | sphery: | MythTV doesn't do illegal stuff |
| [15:53:26] | javatexan: | its a fancy VCR |
| [15:53:28] | justinh: | javatexan: wtf could python improve on real code? don't say clutter |
| [15:53:36] | AndyCap: | marginally construed as illegal. :P |
| [15:53:39] | javatexan: | nope. |
| [15:53:42] | sphery: | justinh: makes you indent stuff... :) |
| [15:54:02] | justinh: | python uses white spaces as syntax?! |
| [15:54:08] | justinh: | you've got to be kidding me |
| [15:54:10] | javatexan: | just already written and it recieves some love still |
| [15:54:22] | AndyCap: | justinh: you must be new to computers. :) |
| [15:54:23] | javatexan: | that I wouldn't have to do |
| [15:54:26] | sphery: | AndyCap: none of the Myth functionality I know of is in violation of any law |
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| [15:54:42] | justinh: | AndyCap: what because I don't know how retarded python is? pfff |
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| [15:55:20] | sphery: | and before you say, "DVD ripping,"--that's not illegal. If someone installs/uses libdvdcss, /that/ is illegal, but ripping an unencrypted DVD to which you have rights-holders permission to rip is not illegal. |
| [15:55:21] | AndyCap: | justinh: heh, it's the single thing people point out regarding python, whatever the venue. |
| [15:55:42] | justinh: | AndyCap: it was genuinely news to me |
| [15:56:18] | AndyCap: | justinh: python lovers highlight it as a feature. I think it's a nasty bug |
| [15:58:15] | cesman: | AndyCap: fix the bugs ;) |
| [15:58:40] | AndyCap: | cesman: I am. you start with #!/usr/bin/perl -w |
| [15:58:48] | AndyCap: | :> |
| [15:58:59] | cesman: | lol |
| [15:59:07] | justinh: | python lovers highlight how 'easy it is to pick up'. yeah, well I can look at python code & it may as well all be hex |
| [15:59:31] | styelz: | are there any svn mirrors i should use, or do i just use mythtv.org? |
| [15:59:38] | justinh: | their brains must be wired up wrong |
| [15:59:51] | AndyCap: | justinh: there is teh video |
| [16:00:28] | justinh: | eh? lern de pyfon in 10 min ? w00t |
| [16:01:12] | sphery: | styelz: just use svn.mythtv.org |
| [16:01:55] | sphery: | I thought it was always "Learn <whatever> in 21 <days|hours|minutes>" |
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| [16:02:51] | justinh: | I could probably pick it up, but it doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather learn something I can use in the app I want to develop for. i.e. go to the mountain to work rather than move the mountain |
| [16:03:14] | gbee: | not python, there they have to create a new series – "Learn <whatever> in 21 weeks, then discover it's of no use in the real world" |
| [16:03:28] | sid3windr: | theres also a "DNSSEC in 6 minutes" |
| [16:03:33] | sid3windr: | which is a 140 page or so PDF |
| [16:03:39] | AndyCap: | hadeees: http://openbookproject.net/pybiblio/pythonvideo.php |
| [16:03:50] | sid3windr: | some people must be pretty avid readers |
| [16:03:51] | sphery: | Yeah, IMHO, Python is only good for making the only Solitaire game you'll ever need. (Though, since its author abandoned it, perhaps not even for that...) |
| [16:04:21] | justinh: | funny. the guy who came up with pykaraoke is the one who got me into mythtv |
| [16:04:27] | sphery: | sid3windr: My system couldn't even page through 140-page PDF in 6 minutes. |
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| [16:04:34] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:06:51] | styelz: | thats how long it takes to download it |
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| [16:07:03] | styelz: | 6 minutes |
| [16:07:07] | tank-man: | pdf2txt |
| [16:07:25] | sphery: | does that do ASCII art for the images? ;) |
| [16:07:40] | tank-man: | no |
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| [16:07:55] | tank-man: | what do you have? a pdf of all images? |
| [16:08:06] | AndyCap: | ooh. add aalib support |
| [16:08:37] | sphery: | maybe caca so we get color |
| [16:08:56] | tank-man: | that would be neat for tv |
| [16:09:26] | sphery: | you can do libcaca or libaa with xine |
| [16:09:36] | AndyCap: | and mplayer |
| [16:09:40] | sphery: | make a term with a 4pt font and it looks pretty cool |
| [16:09:43] | AndyCap: | but not pdftotext |
| [16:09:51] | sphery: | (though it kills the proc/net) |
| [16:10:25] | tank-man: | 1pt font and its almost HD :) |
| [16:10:34] | AndyCap: | though the X libaa support was a little kinky. |
| [16:10:48] | sphery: | I still can't believe the logo used by "Caca Labs, home of professional, enterprise-ready solutions for a wide range of modern IT scenarios." – http://libcaca.zoy.org/ |
| [16:10:59] | AndyCap: | that's like running google translate from english to chinese and back agin |
| [16:11:08] | sphery: | And people said that Ubuntu's "cutesy" names aren't enterprise-ready |
| [16:11:38] | styelz: | lol |
| [16:11:39] | justinh: | lol |
| [16:12:49] | sphery: | Oh, then there's their license... http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ |
| [16:13:05] | justinh: | The latest TOIlet version is toilet-0.1.tar.gz. |
| [16:13:09] | iamlindoro__: | That license rules |
| [16:13:21] | AndyCap: | I guess they took a page from the marketing division of taff systems |
| [16:14:13] | justinh: | gbee: there's the licence you were looking for! |
| [16:14:18] | gbee: | hehe |
| [16:15:33] | sphery: | AndyCap: got a backstory on Taff? |
| [16:15:58] | AndyCap: | not much apart from http://www.syberpunk.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?page=boonga |
| [16:16:34] | sphery: | Oh... |
| [16:16:46] | AndyCap: | the mascots |
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| [16:17:53] | justinh: | mythboonga, anyone? |
| [16:18:00] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [16:18:11] | AndyCap: | with a wiimote then? |
| [16:18:52] | sphery: | and "import your own characters"? |
| [16:19:12] | AndyCap: | :) with contemporary morphing technology. |
| [16:19:37] | ivor: | ok my minds gone blank... how do you see what revision an svn tree is currently at? |
| [16:19:42] | sphery: | how did people ever survive without computers? |
| [16:19:53] | styelz: | meat |
| [16:19:53] | sphery: | ivor: mythfrontend --version |
| [16:19:57] | justinh: | ivor: svn info |
| [16:20:00] | sphery: | ivor: (or mythbackend --version) |
| [16:20:05] | AndyCap: | sphery: didn't you learn about the dark ages in history class? |
| [16:20:15] | ivor: | justinh: grand, thanks. |
| [16:20:25] | AndyCap: | it was called the dark ages since there was no light from the computer screen |
| [16:20:32] | sphery: | or, what justinh said if you haven't installed, yet... |
| [16:20:33] | ivor: | souce control overload... why can't people just pick one? :) |
| [16:20:42] | sphery: | AndyCap: Oh. That makes sense. |
| [16:20:48] | justinh: | ivor: because theirs is always betterer! |
| [16:21:03] | AndyCap: | smite the unbelievers! |
| [16:21:05] | ivor: | svn, git, hg, p4, cvs... |
| [16:21:14] | sphery: | bz(something or other) |
| [16:21:18] | justinh: | I remember before computers. there was outside |
| [16:21:45] | sphery: | that sounds scary |
| [16:22:05] | sphery: | bzr! |
| [16:22:06] | justinh: | as a kid I couldn't even have comprehended we'd all have these computers that can record & play back TV |
| [16:22:26] | justinh: | hell even photo-real graphics were a very long way off then |
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| [16:22:49] | AndyCap: | monotone, arch, tla, svk, bitkeeper, clearcase, sourceunsafe, |
| [16:22:55] | justinh: | by that I mean being able to display a photo ... |
| [16:23:18] | AndyCap: | cga pron |
| [16:23:43] | sphery: | I tried to make one play back DVD's in 1999 with WinDVD/Win 98, and the first DVD I tried didn't work (a firmware update for the DVD drive that was released 6 mos later fixed it), and the second DVD played, but Windows crashed 4 times during the movie, so I gave up that dream. |
| [16:23:43] | ivor: | AndyCap: indeed, I don't use any others at the moment though but have to keep switching between the others and keep forgetting the commands. |
| [16:23:50] | ivor: | perhaps Im getting old. :/ |
| [16:24:07] | clever: | sphery: i perfer mythbackend --version, since mythfrontend will explode when it fails to connect to the X server, even when using --version |
| [16:24:11] | ivor: | clearcase... now that was fun. especially in the SCM mode. sigh. |
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| [16:24:27] | AndyCap: | rcs for teh win |
| [16:24:32] | ivor: | :) |
| [16:24:49] | AndyCap: | sphery: Creative DXR :) |
| [16:25:02] | sphery: | AndyCap: yep! |
| [16:25:13] | sphery: | still have the card |
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| [16:26:09] | justinh: | we used to use sourcesafe here |
| [16:26:30] | justinh: | we migrated to subversion & that threw everybody off step. heh |
| [16:26:47] | justinh: | it's hilarious watching people struggle with the GUI client |
| [16:26:55] | ivor: | :) heh the novelty of getting the same file out that you put in? |
| [16:26:57] | AndyCap: | tortoise? |
| [16:27:07] | justinh: | AndyCap: yeah |
| [16:27:09] | AndyCap: | ivor: oh, but they don't :) |
| [16:27:21] | AndyCap: | ivor: no more locking out other people |
| [16:27:23] | sphery: | I did a 6-mo contract where the company had a very expensive version control product (don't remember which), but it wasn't working, so we set up a "rogue" SVN server until it was fixed. When I left, they still hadn't fixed it. |
| [16:28:05] | justinh: | apparently our ceo has an rss feed of all svn commits |
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| [16:28:28] | justinh: | there's one PHB who has too many fingers in too many places IMHO |
| [16:28:58] | wagnerrp_: | PHB? |
| [16:29:12] | wagnerrp_: | ah |
| [16:29:15] | sphery: | that would be a great way to do it--calculate pay raised based on the number of commits for each dev... |
| [16:29:22] | ivor: | wagnerrp_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy_Haired_Boss |
| [16:29:30] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, just found that |
| [16:29:32] | gbee: | clever: pretty sure I fixed that, at least in trunk |
| [16:29:56] | gbee: | but I think I backported it too |
| [16:30:41] | clever: | gbee: im on trunk revision 18122 |
| [16:30:47] | AndyCap: | justinh: hehe. you should get him this: http://programeter.com/ |
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| [16:30:57] | clever: | maybe i just need to install the new compile(from 1–2 days ago) |
| [16:30:57] | gbee: | and mythfrontend --version attempts to connect to X? |
| [16:31:02] | wagnerrp_: | sphery: what if your commits are rubbish |
| [16:31:06] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, you did fix it. |
| [16:31:14] | clever: | sphery: yep |
| [16:31:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp_: that wouldn't matter to a PHB |
| [16:31:18] | clever: | mythfrontend --version |
| [16:31:18] | clever: | mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server |
| [16:31:21] | gbee: | sphery: so I'm not going mad? |
| [16:31:39] | sphery: | gbee: nope. I just ssh'ed to my slave backend (that's not running X) and it worked. |
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| [16:31:47] | clever: | sphery: what revision did he fix it on? |
| [16:31:59] | clever: | or atleast, what does it work on for you? |
| [16:32:06] | gbee: | just tested 18137 on my X-less backend and it worked |
| [16:32:15] | clever: | weird |
| [16:32:23] | clever: | mythbackend or frontend? |
| [16:32:26] | sphery: | clever: I'm running SVN trunk r16509 – Tue Mar 11 14:41:06 EDT 2008 |
| [16:32:28] | gbee: | but pretty sure I fixed it at least a month or two before that |
| [16:32:31] | clever: | all i did to test was unset DISPLAY |
| [16:32:36] | sphery: | (Only because I've been too lazy to upgrade to 0.21-fixes) |
| [16:33:00] | clever: | without that env var, it cant find the Xorg |
| [16:33:07] | cesman: | I forgot my own anniversary :( |
| [16:33:08] | cesman: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /012500.html |
| [16:33:18] | clever: | ouch:P |
| [16:33:18] | cesman: | well, party next month! |
| [16:33:18] | gbee: | hrmm |
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| [16:33:33] | sphery: | cesman: happy (belated) 5th anniversary |
| [16:33:50] | clever: | my next thing to get fixed, seperate Xauth files thru startx |
| [16:34:08] | sphery: | cesman: Making MythTV LiveCD's since before LiveCD's were cool... |
| [16:34:13] | justinh: | wagnerrp_: there's a guy who just spends all day editing the wiki with rambling opinion |
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| [16:34:26] | ivor: | justinh: not you? :) |
| [16:34:37] | justinh: | no, I never edit our own wiki |
| [16:34:39] | cesman: | sphery: actually 9/2 was when the first live version was released |
| [16:34:45] | clever: | i just got another system netbooting my mythtv install without the pxe layer working right |
| [16:34:57] | gbee: | clever: looks like someone broke it in a more recent commit |
| [16:35:02] | clever: | ah |
| [16:35:19] | sphery: | gbee: all the "move everything out of mythcontext" changes? |
| [16:35:20] | clever: | i simply copied the /boot/ to its own partition and put grub arround it, and the initrd does the usual nfsroot mounting |
| [16:35:22] | justinh: | if anybody ever checked the timestamps on some of my mythtv commits though... eep! |
| [16:36:02] | gbee: | sphery: looks like it, but I can't pinpoint right now |
| [16:36:40] | gbee: | have a revision? I'll open a ticket |
| [16:38:12] | gbee: | actually think it's as simple as moving --version to preparse |
| [16:38:20] | sphery: | sweet |
| [16:38:33] | clever: | that makes sense:) |
| [16:38:50] | sphery: | of course you mention that 5 seconds after I send the WOL magic packet to my dev box... |
| [16:39:16] | clever: | my dev boxes are slave backends:P |
| [16:39:21] | clever: | which are also frontends |
| [16:39:27] | sid3windr: | and middle-ends |
| [16:39:31] | clever: | ;p |
| [16:39:52] | clever: | and X11 crashers:P |
| [16:40:03] | sphery: | My dev box runs current (post Qt4 switch) trunk, my production boxes don't. My dev box is often purposefully broken. My production boxes aren't. |
| [16:40:05] | clever: | if i start X on 1 slave, it trashes the xauth they all share |
| [16:40:40] | clever: | i have qt4 trunk on all my systems and the only major problem is that my master keeps abort()ing because of malloc errors |
| [16:41:20] | sphery: | I have no problems on my backend systems (but I have a, "haven't figured out this new hardware" problem on my frontend) |
| [16:41:46] | gbee: | one day I'll actually play with WOL |
| [16:42:04] | clever: | ive played with it, but its not easy to wake a system from total shutdown |
| [16:42:12] | clever: | it worked best for me when the system was in standby |
| [16:42:26] | sphery: | gbee: I can't count the calories WOL has saved me... |
| [16:42:37] | sphery: | (guess that's not much of a sales pitch, though) |
| [16:42:42] | clever: | i just leave my crap running:P |
| [16:42:51] | clever: | harder on the power bill but easyer on myself |
| [16:43:36] | sphery: | More and more Linux drivers support WOL. Too many mobo's require constant power to the NIC for it to work. If there's a power blink on the line when the computer is turned off, it may disable WOL. |
| [16:44:04] | clever: | i was trying to do it with a windows system |
| [16:44:33] | gbee: | I'm not even sure how WOL works, does the packet get sent to the IP, or based on MAC? What if the machine obtains IP by DHCP? Lots o'questions I need to answer for myself :) |
| [16:44:43] | clever: | you cant send to ip |
| [16:44:45] | sphery: | MAC |
| [16:44:55] | clever: | the card doesnt even care about the mac dest |
| [16:45:01] | gbee: | ok, well that makes sense then |
| [16:45:02] | clever: | so you can send to the broadcast adr |
| [16:45:21] | gbee: | again, that answers another question |
| [16:45:22] | clever: | most switches will need trafic from the card to know where the mac lives |
| [16:45:36] | clever: | and it cant be tcp either |
| [16:45:55] | clever: | the card doesnt care what protocol it is, it just looks for a special string inside the packet |
| [16:46:19] | ivor: | was pretty painless to get wol going here. |
| [16:46:20] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, actually, it doesn't send to MAC, but it encodes the MAC of the NIC which should wake its computer into the magic packet... |
| [16:46:30] | clever: | yeah |
| [16:46:37] | clever: | its something like the mac repeated 20 times |
| [16:46:55] | sphery: | ivor: I wouldn't say painless--I had to set BIOS settings worded about 15 different ways for my 11 computers... :) |
| [16:46:59] | justinh: | oh yeah.. http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/bofh/bofh1.html |
| [16:47:02] | ivor: | recording the macs before turning machines off would be my tip of the day |
| [16:47:12] | ivor: | sphery: heh. |
| [16:47:22] | justinh: | first thing I do with any new machine, even if it's not my own :) |
| [16:47:28] | ivor: | :) |
| [16:47:31] | clever: | ivor: i can just check my dhcp logs:P |
| [16:47:36] | styelz: | heh |
| [16:47:37] | sphery: | justinh: I haven't read that for years... Are they still going? |
| [16:47:46] | justinh: | sphery: yeah on theregister |
| [16:47:52] | sphery: | wow |
| [16:48:13] | gbee: | would be a nice touch if my router web config had WOL buttons next to each machine – macs are already registered for static IP assignment, so having it all in one place ... |
| [16:48:32] | sphery: | openwrt? You could do it... |
| [16:48:50] | sphery: | (well, with x-wrt to get the web conf |
| [16:49:01] | clever: | my router is fully custom |
| [16:49:02] | gbee: | might be able to get openwrt onto it, but I've no idea – tis a Netgear jobby though |
| [16:49:07] | justinh: | funny how so many router manufacturers did all they can to prevent the use of open stuff |
| [16:49:19] | clever: | though i could write a prog to do it in apache and parse dhcp.conf for the macs |
| [16:49:30] | ivor: | gbee: most of the newer netgears are linux based and come with source |
| [16:49:35] | justinh: | but now netgear & linksys have 'linux' models available. for mo money of course |
| [16:49:54] | sphery: | Yeah. At least Linksys bowed to popular demand and resurrected the 4MB routers with the WRT54GL |
| [16:50:08] | justinh: | the wgr614 I had was awful & not open capable |
| [16:50:20] | gbee: | ivor: yeah it's linux based, I'm just not all that sure how I'd go about changing things and I definately don't want to screw up the router right now |
| [16:50:40] | sphery: | justinh: I had that one until about 2 weeks ago. Found out it should run ddwrt, though. |
| [16:50:40] | clever: | gbee: my entire routers / is under svn, so i can undo any screwing up:P |
| [16:50:44] | gbee: | didn't keep the source CD :) |
| [16:50:59] | justinh: | sphery: nah not the one I had. |
| [16:51:11] | justinh: | series 7 or whatever |
| [16:52:24] | sphery: | justinh: Oh, wait. Mine was a F5D7230 from Belkin. I've helped way too many people configure their routers, so I mix them up, anymore. |
| [16:52:35] | gbee: | think I'll get this VPN setup before I even think about playing with WOL – one thing at a time and I'm less likely to screw up :) |
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| [16:53:42] | justinh: | that netgear thing was utter poo. needed a reboot a day. the wrt54gc I replaced it with has stayed up for woooo a long time |
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| [16:55:39] | clever: | there, i think i fixed my xauth problems |
| [16:57:45] | sphery: | clever: will it leave a proliferation of Xauthority files (like the startx script does with .serverauth.<pid>) if you kill X (i.e. shut down the machine from within X)? |
| [16:58:23] | clever: | i just changed the file to .Xauthority.`hostname` |
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| [16:58:35] | clever: | which i beleive startx will obey(when found in its env) |
| [16:58:47] | clever: | which will stop diff hosts from trashing eachothers xauth files |
| [16:59:46] | sphery: | So it will always be overwritten. Cool. I'm still trying to figure out a good fix for the .serverauth proliferation on my systems (and going "back" to the single file doesn't seem right). |
| [17:00:04] | clever: | my file wasnt being overwriten |
| [17:00:10] | clever: | but the :0 records where being deleted |
| [17:00:23] | clever: | which locked the existing server out of itself |
| [17:00:24] | sphery: | right, but I mean that you'll keep overwriting the same file rather than creating new files |
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| [17:00:31] | clever: | yeah |
| [17:00:38] | clever: | 1 file/host |
| [17:00:45] | clever: | like everythign else that needs to be per host |
| [17:01:00] | clever: | now to track down my network problems |
| [17:01:06] | clever: | i cant ping google from the windows system |
| [17:01:16] | clever: | the router sends an icmp error back |
| [17:01:28] | sphery: | getting blocked because it's not LiveSearch? |
| [17:01:46] | clever: | destination net unreachable |
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| [17:02:58] | clever: | it got worse |
| [17:03:06] | clever: | now it cant even find the ip of www.google.com:P |
| [17:03:50] | cesman: | that is because of the :P in the URL ;) |
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| [17:05:22] | clever: | which im not giving to ping:P |
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| [17:06:46] | NeoMatrixJR: | Is there a way to force MythTV to re-grab EIT data? |
| [17:06:52] | clever: | i'll just switch it back from 10.0.0.0/25 to 192.168.1.0/24 for now |
| [17:07:52] | ChinoChano: | i have no TV.... snifff... |
| [17:07:53] | cesman: | NeoMatrixJR: mythfilldatabase --help |
| [17:08:03] | ChinoChano: | the OSD appears, but not the TV :( |
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| [17:08:29] | sid3windr: | you don't have a tv? go buy one ;D |
| [17:08:37] | ChinoChano: | no image, no sound. yesterday with the spanish grabber I could see some channels, in poor res and crap soound quality, |
| [17:08:53] | clever: | switching back to 192 'fixed' it for now |
| [17:09:09] | ChinoChano: | but this was really bad. So I chose the EIT to scan for all channels. nothing now. |
| [17:09:13] | ChinoChano: | any suggestions? |
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| [17:10:10] | ChinoChano: | i have no space and no money to buy a TV. And with such a great thing, and a nice TFT 24", sid3windr, it would be stupid. |
| [17:10:37] | sid3windr: | I wasn't the one complaining you didn't have a tv ;) |
| [17:10:59] | ChinoChano: | the res is 1900x1200 and in normal TV is far from it. And mythtv is just great. So no need for a TV. ok ok :( I see... |
| [17:11:07] | NeoMatrixJR: | cesman: if I do a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, will that drop epg data for channels that have no grabber? (I'm using mc2xml for analog/source 2, and eit for digital/source 1) I only want to refresh source1/EIT data. |
| [17:11:16] | ** sid3windr also wants a 1920x1200 tft ** | |
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| [17:11:29] | sid3windr: | current one is 1680x1050 on the FE in the bedroom |
| [17:11:50] | sphery: | NeoMatrixJR: mythfilldatabase will ignore any EIT-only sources (and their listings data) |
| [17:12:27] | NeoMatrixJR: | sphery: is there anyway to update EIT data then? |
| [17:12:59] | sphery: | The best way to force MythTV to re-grab EIT data is to delete what's there. The best way to delete what's there is to use "Delete all video sources". But, if you don't mind leaving garbage in your database, you can do a "TRUNCATE TABLE program;" from mysql. |
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| [17:15:12] | NeoMatrixJR: | sphery: ?!?! There has to be a way to get eit data...it has to update sooner or later. EIT data is only broadcast for so many days in advance.... how does it normally grab this info? |
| [17:15:45] | sphery: | it automatically re-grabs it when it can |
| [17:16:05] | sphery: | but you asked, "Is there a way to force MythTV to re-grab EIT data?" |
| [17:18:20] | NeoMatrixJR: | sphery: got it...oddly enough, it looks like it already got the data again. |
| [17:18:33] | ** sphery is amazed at how far people will go to create a workaround that allows them to use the wrong tool for the job rather than just using the right tool... ** | |
| [17:18:54] | sphery: | NeoMatrixJR: (the above was not referencing you)--yeah, it gets it when it can... |
| [17:20:08] | sphery: | Why would someone feel they have to use the x11vnc :0 VNC workaround to create a VNC session that's exporting a display other than the :0 display? http://judebert.com/progress/archives/158-Sta . . . Display.html |
| [17:21:47] | sphery: | Someone takes VNC, which creates a new X display and makes it available remotely, and hacks it to export the :0 display, so someone else takes the hacked version, manually creates a new X display, and makes it available via VNC??? |
| [17:23:11] | clever: | sounds fucked up:P |
| [17:24:06] | Dagmar: | Because people who are using VNC with Linux are usually dreadfully confused or woefully ignorant. |
| [17:24:59] | clever: | he is going an extremely weird way at it |
| [17:25:13] | clever: | from a glance id say the idiot is starting a full xorg on the video card |
| [17:25:31] | clever: | then thinking he can hide it at :10, when ctrl+alt+f1 can go up into 64 with the right shift keys |
| [17:25:44] | clever: | then starting a 2nd x11vnc server to somehow bridge it over |
| [17:26:16] | Dagmar: | woefully ignorant is the verdict. |
| [17:26:17] | Dagmar: | "All I wanted was to remotely start an X server that my kids couldn't get to." |
| [17:26:22] | Dagmar: | Dumbass. |
| [17:26:33] | clever: | x11vnc is something they cant reach |
| [17:26:35] | Dagmar: | Rule #1: Kids will find a way. |
| [17:26:47] | Dagmar: | X is something they can't reach. |
| [17:27:00] | Dagmar: | All it takes is not being an ignorant jackass who types `xhost +` |
| [17:27:03] | clever: | bios password, root password, grub password, locked case |
| [17:27:05] | clever: | in theory they shouldnt be able to get into your username anymore |
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| [17:31:05] | clever: | crap |
| [17:31:10] | clever: | master backend froze up again |
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| [17:48:09] | sphery: | The frequency with which I fail CAPTCHA tests is causing me to question my humanity... |
| [17:49:30] | AndyCap: | sphery: that's what the robots behind the captcha tests want you to believe. |
| [17:49:36] | sphery: | lol |
| [17:49:58] | directhex: | sphery, Why do you say your humanity? |
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| [17:50:23] | sphery: | lack of understanding of proper grammer, perhaps? |
| [17:50:47] | sphery: | question whether I'm human, perhaps? |
| [17:51:36] | directhex: | sphery, Why the uncertain tone? |
| [17:51:47] | sphery: | Since CAPTCHA means, "Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart," my failing the test implies I'm not human. |
| [17:52:00] | directhex: | sphery, Why do you mention computers? |
| [17:52:32] | sphery: | I'm confused. |
| [17:52:54] | directhex: | sphery, Does it please you to believe I am confused? |
| [17:53:25] | sphery: | is this some joke only a human would understand? |
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| [17:53:58] | directhex: | sphery, Please go on. |
| [17:54:39] | clever: | sphery: i just cracked the code behind the main one i have trouble with and built a bypass into my firefox |
| [17:54:53] | clever: | now i can automaticaly answer it with 1 click every time |
| [17:55:26] | directhex: | clever, Why do you say your firefox? |
| [17:55:43] | clever: | its a setting in about:config that one of my extensions is using |
| [17:56:04] | clever: | it just inserts a peice of static html into the captcha page which gives me an option to bypass it |
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| [17:56:09] | sphery: | clever: be careful, that may violate the DMCA... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha#Legality |
| [17:56:11] | directhex: | clever, Why do you say your extensions is using? |
| [17:56:24] | directhex: | sphery, Please go on. |
| [17:56:35] | clever: | i made the firefox extension from scratch:P |
| [17:56:51] | clever: | sphery: i had cracked it for other reasons first, so i could run a bot that the site admins allow |
| [17:56:55] | directhex: | clever, Can you elaborate on that? |
| [17:57:18] | sphery: | I think directhex is failing a Turing test... |
| [17:57:22] | clever: | :P |
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| [17:57:36] | directhex: | sphery, you win the prize! ever heard of Eliza? :p |
| [17:57:42] | sphery: | Finally. |
| [17:57:43] | ** clever goes to hookup frame grabber ** | |
| [17:57:46] | styelz: | beep |
| [17:58:06] | sphery: | I'm actually embarrassed it took so long for me to figure it out. |
| [17:58:09] | iamlindoro__: | Dr. SBaitso too :) |
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| [17:58:55] | AndyCap: | greetings. I am doctor sbaitso. |
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| [18:13:56] | clever: | how do i force mythfrontend to livetv thru a certain capture card? |
| [18:15:39] | clever: | ive added a 2nd capture card but livetv still claims all tuners in use |
| [18:16:14] | cesman: | a restart of the backend usually does it for me |
| [18:16:24] | cesman: | been a while since I've seen that however |
| [18:16:29] | clever: | i restarted the slave with the card |
| [18:16:44] | clever: | but the master still refused to schedule a recording on it and yelled conflict |
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| [18:17:22] | clever: | that did it |
| [18:17:28] | clever: | restarting the MASTER server |
| [18:17:42] | teprrr: | hi, any ideas who should be responsible for starting irexec? |
| [18:17:48] | teprrr: | mythbackend's init script? |
| [18:17:51] | teprrr: | lirc's initscript? |
| [18:18:15] | clever: | if its running any X app's then it needs DISPLAY set properly |
| [18:18:26] | clever: | which would maybe point towards your X session script |
| [18:18:33] | teprrr: | ah, apparently session script does it |
| [18:19:28] | dustybin: | ive messed up big time, the box i bought for the ultimate sd frontend, it has a pci slot but its not wide enough for a gfx card :-( |
| [18:19:41] | clever: | ouch |
| [18:19:47] | dustybin: | 50 squid down the swanny |
| [18:20:17] | dustybin: | there is about 10mm space at the end of the slot |
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| [18:21:28] | ChinoChano: | hello again guys... no one for my problem (no image nor TV in Watch TV, but OSD pops up almost correctly) |
| [18:21:58] | clever: | now to test my capture |
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| [18:23:17] | clever: | error! |
| [18:23:23] | ChinoChano: | http://pastebin.com/m113a4f47 <- this is the console logs |
| [18:23:58] | ChinoChano: | the osd theme dimensions is 640 x 480. How can I make it widescreen? |
| [18:24:13] | ChinoChano: | where in these lines I can see why the TV is not working? |
| [18:24:39] | clever: | aha, wrong backend ip |
| [18:24:53] | ChinoChano: | what about the "Realtime priority would require SUID as root" |
| [18:25:03] | clever: | real time isnt needed |
| [18:25:20] | ChinoChano: | clever, you say this for me? (wrong backend ip) |
| [18:25:37] | clever: | that was my problem |
| [18:25:40] | ChinoChano: | ok ok |
| [18:25:46] | ChinoChano: | i thought so |
| [18:25:49] | clever: | and now that i fixed that, i have green! |
| [18:26:08] | ChinoChano: | life is green (heineken said that) |
| [18:26:15] | clever: | i mean green video |
| [18:26:25] | clever: | green and static |
| [18:26:25] | ChinoChano: | try to put some red ans some blue |
| [18:26:28] | ChinoChano: | :) |
| [18:26:38] | ChinoChano: | mine is just black :P |
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| [18:27:33] | clever: | tv time time! |
| [18:28:05] | ChinoChano: | what about the OSD theme dimensions? (640 x 480) Anyone would know how to make them widescreen? |
| [18:29:02] | clever: | i dont get widescreen channels so i never play with that |
| [18:29:38] | ChinoChano: | ok i have an image now, just that I had to go to the channel 180. The image is a bit oscillating... |
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| [18:30:50] | ChinoChano: | ok my channels re not widescreen, but the TFT is, and neway, the OSD is like "needing" more space for the last line (truncated in the screen) |
| [18:31:22] | justinh: | ChinoChano: if you use the xv renderer the OSD is scaled & drawn to the current video resolution |
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| [18:33:48] | ChinoChano: | xv renderer? is this in the video settings of the player? |
| [18:34:17] | justinh: | if you use nvidia graphics the opengl renderer might not work well |
| [18:34:21] | clever: | that fixed it, modprobe bttv tuner=1! |
| [18:34:43] | ChinoChano: | the current video resolution: the one I can see? I AM using nvidia and opengl renderer... |
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| [18:35:46] | ChinoChano: | to reorder the channel list, I have to run again mythtv-setup? or do I run the mythfrontend? |
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| [18:44:52] | ChinoChano: | mythtv uses mplayer to watch TV doesn t it? My default video player is: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s |
| [18:45:01] | ChinoChano: | what do you use? |
| [18:45:10] | jams: | it does not use mplayer for TV |
| [18:45:17] | dustybin: | dam ive really fcked up, this is the ONLY card what can fit my machine |
| [18:45:23] | dustybin: | http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84228KHL-128MA |
| [18:45:34] | dustybin: | and thats DVI, i need VGA output |
| [18:45:39] | ** dustybin dies ** | |
| [18:45:49] | ChinoChano: | which one then? and if I use nvidia graphics, what should I do instead of opengl? |
| [18:46:10] | Dagmar: | You use the one talked about in the wiki |
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| [18:46:53] | Dagmar: | ...because documentation is there so that people don't have to see the same dumb-ass questions day after day after day after day after day after day |
| [18:47:48] | clever: | 00:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| [18:48:02] | clever: | cant get the audio loopback working for this card(with frame grabber) :( |
| [18:48:42] | clever: | anybody have an idea? |
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| [18:49:52] | dustybin: | can this chipset be used to display SDTV: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/eg2/index.htm |
| [18:50:12] | justinh: | god no, it's only any use for 320x240 video :-\ |
| [18:50:42] | dustybin: | im doomed for sure |
| [18:50:53] | justinh: | ffs of all the questions |
| [18:51:07] | Dagmar: | dustybin: There's very little that isn't capable of SDTV. |
| [18:51:13] | Dagmar: | You're worrying a bit too much |
| [18:51:22] | justinh: | of course the answer is YES. bloody hell there's barely a video device in the world which can't display SDTV |
| [18:51:26] | Dagmar: | Cards have to be REALLY primitive to fail at that |
| [18:51:32] | justinh: | or made by SiS |
| [18:52:18] | dustybin: | right i didnt know that, but im pretty sure that that intel chip cant use modelines |
| [18:53:00] | justinh: | oh do you mean _interlaced_ video output at PAL/NSTC resolutions? |
| [18:53:04] | dustybin: | and ideally, i wanted to run the vga output into my sync thingy then into my tvs rgb scart |
| [18:53:07] | dustybin: | yep |
| [18:53:18] | justinh: | no, I say again Intel drivers cannot do interlaced modelines |
| [18:53:52] | justinh: | support for that might return one day soon though... there were rumblings on their dev list about it a while back |
| [18:54:09] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [18:54:12] | clever: | dustybin: i have a cord that does vga->svideo,composite but it never gave a clean signal on its own |
| [18:54:30] | dustybin: | really dislike s-video since ive used my sync thingy box |
| [18:55:05] | clever: | it has 2 outputs |
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| [18:55:20] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [18:55:43] | dustybin: | this pci graphics card looke perfect, its half width: http://db.jaton.com.tw/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84228KHL-128MA |
| [18:55:48] | justinh: | if only these cards with TV out would use another DAC pin to give us RGB out |
| [18:55:50] | gbee: | clever: --version is fix (again) in trunk |
| [18:55:52] | dustybin: | but im unsure if it can output normal VGA |
| [18:56:11] | Dagmar: | Does it not have a 15-pin DIN plug on it? |
| [18:56:34] | clever: | gbee: woot |
| [18:56:34] | clever: | now to fix my audio in capture |
| [18:56:40] | ** gbee leans towards onboard video these days ** | |
| [18:56:56] | justinh: | I've been suitably impressed by my Intel video gear |
| [18:57:05] | justinh: | laptop & my frontend are nice |
| [18:57:28] | justinh: | though I'm damned if I can make TVout work on the laptop. probably a driver thing |
| [18:57:33] | gbee: | if it's Svideo you want, you can't go wrong with ATi, not sure what Intel is like but Nvidia would come second or third |
| [18:57:52] | justinh: | nvidia would come third having used Intel |
| [18:58:16] | Dagmar: | lol "can't go wrong with ATI" |
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| [19:10:13] | dustybin: | some bloody good news: http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Jaton_V . . . CILP/N06513/ |
| [19:10:24] | dustybin: | i THINK that card does VGA output!!!!!!!! |
| [19:10:58] | ChinoChano: | i ve read when poor signal quality I should try the "linearblend,denoise3d=12" Where do I find these? |
| [19:11:09] | ChinoChano: | it is not in Playback section... |
| [19:11:35] | dustybin: | thank you god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [19:11:39] | dustybin: | Interfaces 2 x VGA – 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) ( on supplied cable ) |
| [19:12:05] | styelz: | ChinoChano: its in the deinterlace options screen at the bottom, in playback |
| [19:12:11] | ** dustybin cracks open beer and dances ** | |
| [19:13:21] | justinh: | ChinoChano: yes it is |
| [19:13:43] | styelz: | ChinoChano: you need to edit the profile to get there |
| [19:15:12] | styelz: | look for Custom Filters |
| [19:16:10] | justinh: | not that filters will help with digital signal problems |
| [19:16:25] | styelz: | naw, edit keys no work yey in metalurgy |
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| [19:17:06] | styelz: | getting there |
| [19:17:17] | ChinoChano: | what do you mean by edit the profile? the recording profile? |
| [19:17:33] | styelz: | any plans on tweaking the Live Streams section for metalurgy |
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| [19:18:10] | ChinoChano: | ok in Playback Profiles... I am using the CPU+... |
| [19:18:16] | ChinoChano: | i did not dare changing this... |
| [19:18:24] | styelz: | do it |
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| [19:18:53] | styelz: | you could backup mysql db and restore it if you go fubar |
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| [19:19:12] | ChinoChano: | the High Quality one must be CPU eating... yep? |
| [19:19:20] | gbee_: | what provides the mad devel headers on Fedora? |
| [19:20:13] | AndyCap: | gbee_: a 3rd party repo like livna. |
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| [19:20:28] | mkrufky: | i discovered a bug |
| [19:20:33] | mkrufky: | ...or maybe its a FEATURE |
| [19:20:37] | ChinoChano: | atually in the CPU+ profile (default), it contemplates only a rez <=1280x720... I add new Entry, but which player then? |
| [19:20:42] | AndyCap: | gbee_: libmad-devel |
| [19:20:52] | gbee_: | so libmad is in the official repos, but the devel headers aren't? |
| [19:21:08] | AndyCap: | gbee_: uh, is libmad in the official repo? |
| [19:21:14] | AndyCap: | I didn't think it was |
| [19:21:18] | gbee_: | ahh screw it, I'll stick with using ffmpeg |
| [19:21:26] | ChinoChano: | what means " if rez > 0 0 -> XvMC" ? |
| [19:21:30] | mkrufky: | if somebody installed two brand new identical drives, with the same amount of used space and the same amount of free space, mythtv will think that both drives are the same...... until you start writing to one of them, and the available free / used space size changes |
| [19:21:59] | Dagmar: | It means "crash immediately if XvMC isn't available" |
| [19:22:07] | mkrufky: | this bug doesnt bother me much, and its the time of thing you might see just once |
| [19:22:08] | Dagmar: | YOU are the one that set that profile up |
| [19:22:11] | mkrufky: | but i thought i should report it |
| [19:22:31] | ChinoChano: | ok so the lst 32 profiles HAVE to be edited? |
| [19:22:35] | ChinoChano: | lst=last |
| [19:22:47] | ChinoChano: | last 2 profiles |
| [19:23:11] | Dagmar: | Hmm... that does it for me. Below the threshold and into the ignore list |
| [19:23:11] | ChinoChano: | and then , for 1900x1200 res, what should I go for? Do you know? |
| [19:23:18] | AndyCap: | gbee_: also not in the offical repo. |
| [19:24:10] | ** justinh points ChinoChano at the wiki page about playback profiles ** | |
| [19:24:44] | ChinoChano: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 this one? |
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| [19:25:01] | justinh: | I said the wiki page |
| [19:25:53] | ChinoChano: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [19:26:08] | till: | is there a cron log anywhere? i get the feeling my cronjob isn't running correct |
| [19:27:43] | mkrufky: | heh, my bug is already reported and fixed :-) bug 4179 |
| [19:28:28] | ChinoChano: | "The 173.14.09 release includes support for the XVideo Motion Compensation (XvMC) version 1.0 API on GeForce 5 series, GeForce 6 series and GeForce 7 series addin cards |
| [19:28:38] | ChinoChano: | read here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC |
| [19:29:20] | ChinoChano: | i have a 7600 GT. drivers: the previous stable ones... |
| [19:29:27] | ChinoChano: | shit... i ll go update,.... |
| [19:29:47] | ChinoChano: | will I have to reemerge mythtv then? |
| [19:30:35] | justinh: | oh noes! forgot USE="xvmc" ? hahaha |
| [19:30:39] | sid3windr: | =p |
| [19:31:08] | justinh: | xvmc is next to useless, but if you want to self-flaggelate... go ahead |
| [19:31:10] | dustybin: | this film looks ace, im sure a lot of people here can relate to it :P |
| [19:31:12] | dustybin: | http://www.benx.be/eng/defilm.asp |
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| [19:31:51] | ChinoChano: | it s just because I had problems with a defective nvidia card before, and with many tests, I masked the last nvidia drivers, without seeing there were other stable ones. You did not forget the USE="stupid" one |
| [19:31:53] | sid3windr: | ye, it's great |
| [19:32:06] | sid3windr: | first really good movie from belgium imo, too ;) |
| [19:33:08] | ChinoChano: | just because they told me the card WAS OK 100%, I spent time checking IRQ conflicts, dirvers, temperature, kernels, |
| [19:33:18] | justinh: | I heard about a film where this really dull guy finds out his media centre frontend is rubbish & goes off looking all over the world for even more lame hardware |
| [19:33:22] | ChinoChano: | bus latencies, etc. |
| [19:33:38] | dustybin: | justinh: :O |
| [19:33:57] | justinh: | feeling typecast? |
| [19:33:58] | dustybin: | justinh: only to find out the required hardware costs more than the unit itself |
| [19:34:10] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-away | |
| [19:34:38] | dustybin: | aye |
| [19:35:36] | dustybin: | justinh: still cheaper than doing the non-existant HD route |
| [19:35:59] | mkrufky-away is now known as mkrufky | |
| [19:36:12] | ChinoChano: | i m sure youenjoyed a lot the movie |
| [19:37:04] | till: | how can i avoid a video player to open when i insert a dvd into the drive? |
| [19:37:45] | ChinoChano: | Is it this movie where, during his travel around the world, this dull guys found so many interesting and nice people, and also genuine and pedantic assholes? |
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| [19:40:35] | ChinoChano: | till, this is in MEdia Settings |
| [19:40:50] | ChinoChano: | there s an option to tell you if you want it automatically played or not |
| [19:40:53] | ChinoChano: | one sec |
| [19:41:06] | till: | in ubuntu or do u mean mythtv? |
| [19:41:17] | till: | i dont want ubuntu to start any player |
| [19:41:35] | ChinoChano: | i mean mythtv...sorry. |
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| [19:45:50] | gbee_: | AndyCap: meant ffmpeg libs in myth, I was using a patch to replace mad etc with ffmpeg, only the version of the ffmpeg libs in mythtv can't handle some mp3s so I was going to install mad – but I can't be bothered to deal with adding additional repos |
| [19:46:56] | AndyCap: | gbee_: well, without 3rd party repos like livna you'll have to rebuild anything patent related |
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| [19:50:18] | dustybin: | wow i didnt know this existed: http://linuxgazette.net/ |
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| [19:54:06] | AndyCap: | dustybin: heh, it's been around for a long time, but never heavily publicized |
| [19:55:21] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [19:56:11] | AndyCap: | I think I read it before 2000 |
| [19:56:35] | AndyCap: | not sure where I picked it up. must have been linux magazine |
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| [20:01:35] | justinh: | wonder if it has as many poorly researched articles as Linux magazine |
| [20:02:25] | AndyCap: | justinh: so what got under your bonnet now? the mythtv for cheap article in the last issue? |
| [20:03:05] | justinh: | last one I saw was saying stuff like "surf the web while watching TV" |
| [20:03:31] | justinh: | looked like they never bothered to even run a recent version of myth too |
| [20:07:38] | AndyCap: | m-kay http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/27/worse . . . ppen_at_sea/ |
| [20:08:05] | AndyCap: | somebody is reading too much into it |
| [20:15:24] | Dagmar: | Holy shit that's wrong |
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| [20:16:32] | plb_: | can someone recommend a well supported usb tv tuner? |
| [20:16:54] | justinh: | linuxtv.org – see their wiki |
| [20:17:38] | justinh: | it's been known for 'well supported' to turn out to be nothing of the sort though – manufacturers have this awful habit of changing chipsets meaning you never know what you're getting |
| [20:17:54] | plb_: | ah |
| [20:18:05] | AndyCap: | and stuff bit-rots too |
| [20:18:32] | AndyCap: | should floss more often. :P |
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| [20:39:43] | justinh: | ugh. redrawing glass-wide watermarks in inkscape is not fun |
| [20:43:04] | justinh: | and so much for compiz' workarounds. oh well. bye bye compiz |
| [20:43:43] | KjetilK: | so, my fiancee wants a second TV in the sleeping room, which is just on the other side of the wall from the living room where my mythtv box is |
| [20:44:12] | justinh: | no. not worth the effort |
| [20:44:17] | KjetilK: | and the box has a second display card I'm not using, so I was thinking it should be straightforward to run a second X instance on that |
| [20:44:23] | KjetilK: | heh |
| [20:44:29] | justinh: | ou pro |
| [20:44:55] | KjetilK: | well, the main problem is that I only have a single sound card |
| [20:44:57] | justinh: | oh hang on... different X server.. probably |
| [20:45:06] | justinh: | you need a 2nd sound card really |
| [20:45:14] | justinh: | be that USB or whatever |
| [20:45:15] | KjetilK: | yeah, I suspect so |
| [20:45:20] | KjetilK: | hmmm |
| [20:45:28] | KjetilK: | yeah, that could work |
| [20:45:40] | justinh: | what would you do for a remote? |
| [20:45:48] | KjetilK: | hmmm, good point |
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| [20:45:59] | AndyCap: | rf remotes r us |
| [20:46:20] | justinh: | you could start another instance of mythfrontend but have it override certain settings with the -O option |
| [20:46:28] | KjetilK: | also, I have now a remote on the DVB-C card I'm not using |
| [20:46:53] | justinh: | give it a different unique identifier, then both frontends could exist with different settings |
| [20:47:05] | KjetilK: | yup |
| [20:47:11] | KjetilK: | and I could log in as different users |
| [20:47:26] | justinh: | you'd probably have to start mythfrontend in a script though |
| [20:47:33] | justinh: | for the 2nd instance |
| [20:47:46] | KjetilK: | Actually, I used to run a setup where I had two different X servers run on two different displays, each with a keyboard and mouse |
| [20:48:00] | KjetilK: | so both me and my ex-gf could use the same computer at the same time |
| [20:48:05] | clever: | ive played with that before |
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| [20:48:20] | KjetilK: | but those were days where I had a lot more time than money, now is the reverse... |
| [20:48:21] | clever: | but most of the trouble was trying to get identical usb keyboards seperated into each server |
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| [20:48:36] | justinh: | you'd need to start the other frontend with its own unique identifier so it wouldn't go for the same audio device as the 1st, for one |
| [20:48:41] | clever: | and my kernel kept panicing |
| [20:49:09] | KjetilK: | clever: oh, whoops. I had a lot of problems with that too, but I did get it working eventually |
| [20:49:20] | clever: | use a seperate username to get a seperate ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [20:49:27] | clever: | which lets you set a hostname override |
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| [20:49:33] | KjetilK: | right |
| [20:50:00] | KjetilK: | it might be easier to find a cheap thin client to act as frontend for the second display, though... |
| [20:50:16] | Dagmar: | clever: You might want to just stop stalking |
| [20:50:19] | Dagmar: | er talking |
| [20:50:35] | KjetilK: | stalking is fine :-) |
| [20:50:36] | Dagmar: | "use a seperate username to get a seperate ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt" <--- this is crazy-talk |
| [20:50:38] | clever: | Dagmar: im just repeating a method some1 mentioned here before |
| [20:50:48] | clever: | have a mythtv1 and mythtv2 user |
| [20:51:06] | clever: | then you have /home/mythtv1/.mythtv/mysql.txt AND /home/mythtv2/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:51:06] | Dagmar: | ~ is a special operator in bash |
| [20:51:13] | Dagmar: | It is equivalent to $HOME. |
| [20:51:17] | clever: | i know |
| [20:51:27] | Dagmar: | $HOME is different for every user, or the admin is an ignorant jackass. |
| [20:51:34] | clever: | exactly |
| [20:51:39] | clever: | so run mythfrontend under 2 seperate users |
| [20:51:45] | clever: | which gives them seperate home directorys |
| [20:52:00] | sid3windr: | kray zee tok! |
| [20:52:04] | clever: | which means ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt refers to a diff file for each user |
| [20:52:17] | Dagmar: | Which means they both get to fight over video and audio resources |
| [20:52:33] | Dagmar: | ...or the user is doing something seriously wrong out of the gate. |
| [20:52:38] | clever: | then override the hostname in the mysql.txt so they use diff hostnames in the database |
| [20:52:45] | clever: | which lets you set a private audio card for each |
| [20:53:03] | Dagmar: | So, something seriously wrong out of the gate. |
| [20:53:03] | KjetilK: | yup, and video is easy with different X servers |
| [20:53:08] | clever: | then run a seperate Xorg for each vid card so they can both play xv at once |
| [20:53:51] | Dagmar: | So they can have two frontends unable to play video at the same time for some mysterious reason |
| [20:53:59] | Dagmar: | Yay |
| [20:54:07] | clever: | why would you not be able to run both at once? |
| [20:54:29] | Dagmar: | Because it will require more CPU power than some jackass trying to run two frontends on one machine is likely willing to pay for |
| [20:54:32] | KjetilK: | they can't run from the same tv source, but other than that |
| [20:54:45] | clever: | stick in a faster cpu then:P |
| [20:54:51] | clever: | quad core! |
| [20:54:54] | KjetilK: | more cores! :-) |
| [20:54:56] | KjetilK: | right! |
| [20:55:06] | Dagmar: | It's a shame stupidity isn't toxic. |
| [20:55:26] | clever: | you just cant accept how smart i am:P |
| [20:55:35] | Dagmar: | That's because I know better. |
| [20:55:36] | justinh: | hrm can't seem to find the db settings for the custom identifier |
| [20:55:46] | clever: | justinh: its not within the database |
| [20:55:57] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [20:56:05] | clever: | #LocalHostName=my-unique-identifier-goes-here |
| [20:56:08] | clever: | inside mysql.txt |
| [20:56:18] | KjetilK: | Dagmar: have you tried? |
| [20:56:31] | clever: | theres a comment right next to it explaining what it does |
| [20:56:31] | Dagmar: | Rube Goldberg was making a joke, not desmonstrating elegant system design. |
| [20:56:44] | Dagmar: | KjetilK: Dude, I've been working with computers probably longer than you've been into girls. |
| [20:56:48] | justinh: | clever: so the 'use custom identifier for frontend purposes' actually does nothing? |
| [20:57:14] | ** KjetilK suspects the only way to learn this for sure is to learn the hard way ** | |
| [20:57:25] | KjetilK: | Dagmar: you don't need to dude me |
| [20:57:32] | clever: | justinh: it overrides the hostname to force the frontend to use a certain hostname in the database |
| [20:57:35] | KjetilK: | I'm not going to brag about the stuff I do |
| [20:58:03] | clever: | which would let you have seperate settings for 2 frontends on the same box |
| [20:58:03] | clever: | including seperate audio settings |
| [20:58:19] | justinh: | clever: from mysql.txt you mean? |
| [20:58:44] | justinh: | yes it is. nevermind |
| [20:59:03] | justinh: | course that makes sense now. it couldn't rightly look it up from the database :P |
| [20:59:11] | clever: | yep |
| [20:59:24] | clever: | though you might be able to get somewhat the same setup using -O to override the audio device on each |
| [20:59:31] | clever: | but then they would share every other setting |
| [20:59:46] | clever: | and posibly mess with eachothers temp data, like in use for playback |
| [20:59:46] | justinh: | which might be useful :) |
| [21:00:03] | clever: | wouldnt let your gf on the other side of the desk use a diff theme |
| [21:00:16] | justinh: | different users then |
| [21:00:24] | clever: | yep |
| [21:00:28] | clever: | diff user and hostname |
| [21:00:44] | clever: | wee another abort! |
| [21:00:57] | justinh: | eee I just learned somefink new! |
| [21:01:01] | clever: | so far, i think ive tracked it down to switching from recording 1 thing to antoher |
| [21:01:07] | clever: | back2back recordings |
| [21:02:21] | clever: | which its also configured to avoid when posible |
| [21:03:10] | clever: | also, ive abused the unique-identifier before to configure another system |
| [21:03:21] | clever: | i run mythtv-setup fully local, while it THINKS its a remote box |
| [21:05:23] | ** xand boggles ** | |
| [21:05:41] | xand: | my freeview recordings from today have the wrong colours |
| [21:05:50] | xand: | like, skin is turquiose |
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| [21:06:57] | xand: | hmm and live TV.... wtf |
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| [21:07:56] | xand: | hmmm.... |
| [21:08:16] | xand: | seems to be X being stupid.... vlc and mplayer are also affected, with older recordings too. |
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| [21:09:37] | sphery: | justinh: so the question is, where /do/ they all go? (because they don't seem to go to #mythtv-users when redirected...) |
| [21:10:13] | ** xand restarts X and it behaves, yay ** | |
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| [21:11:32] | sphery: | clever: do they even make a quad-core 400MHz CPU? |
| [21:11:56] | clever: | it doesnt have to be that slow:P |
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| [21:12:48] | clever: | even some of my single core systems can play 2 files at once |
| [21:12:49] | sid3windr: | oh, your front door doesn't have a "166" speed sign on it? |
| [21:13:05] | clever: | the only major limit is only 1 xv stream on most of them |
| [21:13:42] | clever: | sid3windr: nope, it says 536 ! |
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| [21:14:17] | clever: | and ive partialy solved my backend aborting problem, its now interleaving the recordings across 2 cards |
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| [21:18:47] | wagnerrp_: | Dagmar: stupidity used to be toxic (or at least adverse to health), but society has managed to fix that |
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| [21:22:58] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp_: so now it poisons society instead. |
| [21:23:28] | Dagmar: | If it weren't for stupidity I'd probably have to resort to racism to find reasons to hate people |
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| [21:27:50] | clever: | Dagmar: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/4chanbits/posters/racism.jpg |
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| [21:48:17] | clever: | gbee: that --version bug also applys to --help incase you didnt notice/fix |
| [21:48:33] | clever: | hard to find help in getting it to start if it refuses to --help |
| [21:49:20] | gbee: | clever: might be fixed by the bug fix I made, but I can't say without checking |
| [21:49:40] | clever: | do you have the new code compiled on a pc thats running/ |
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| [21:49:55] | clever: | unset DISPLAY;mythfrontend --help |
| [21:49:59] | clever: | would be a simple way to test |
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| [21:53:22] | gbee: | so that would be no, I'll fix it tomorrow |
| [21:53:30] | Dagmar: | Smart man |
| [21:53:47] | wagnerrp_: | in not following some 'clever' advice? |
| [21:54:06] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [21:57:37] | wagnerrp_: | damned gentoo, its got itself into some funk where one of the core packages wont compile, so i cant upgrade anything else |
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| [22:03:29] | wagnerrp_: | guess its time for a new fresh build |
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| [23:40:19] | clever: | woot |
| [23:40:27] | clever: | mythbackend decided at random to record to /media/c600myth/ |
| [23:40:35] | clever: | which wasnt mounted so it lacked write access |
| [23:40:49] | clever: | so it totaly gave up and ignored the 2 other storage groups |
| [23:41:06] | clever: | and marked the show as recorded in the schedule so it would never try the episode again! |
| [23:45:29] | Agrajag-: | i'm doubting your "random" claim |
| [23:45:50] | wagnerrp_: | some machine, somewhere, had that directory listed to record to |
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| [23:47:54] | clever: | Agrajag-: by random, i mean it decided the other group was under load from a recording and picked another |
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| [23:48:16] | clever: | and that directory it normaly mounted on that install(shared between netbooting systems) |
| [23:48:24] | clever: | but the new box wasnt added to exports yet |
| [23:48:34] | clever: | it just seems better to try another storage group when it lacks access |
| [23:48:49] | clever: | then to give up and falsely claim the show as properly recorded |
| [23:49:18] | Agrajag-: | yeah that sounds like a bug |
| [23:49:49] | clever: | exactly |
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| [23:50:34] | wagnerrp_: | well its two separate bugs |
| [23:51:14] | abarber: | I'm about to move my Myth box from the living room to my bedroom, and I have Dish Network. Should I have to change anything? |
| [23:51:16] | wagnerrp_: | one for the storage groups from not cycling |
| [23:51:55] | wagnerrp_: | the other for mythtv not reporting a failed recording |
| [23:52:01] | wagnerrp_: | that latter one is an old bug |
| [23:52:08] | wagnerrp_: | the former is merely lack of a feature |
| [23:52:27] | clever: | it doesnt seem to cycle thru storage groups either |
| [23:52:34] | wagnerrp_: | abarber: this is a combined frontend/backend? |
| [23:52:39] | abarber: | yes |
| [23:52:39] | clever: | it seems to focus all the recording to 1 folder in the 'default' group |
| [23:52:54] | clever: | until that has alot of mythtv access, then it trys to avoid stressing it and moves to another |
| [23:52:55] | wagnerrp_: | then there should be no difference |
| [23:53:12] | abarber: | it IS a different receiver |
| [23:53:16] | abarber: | but they are both IR |
| [23:53:22] | wagnerrp_: | different model? |
| [23:53:28] | abarber: | same, the 322 |
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| [23:53:39] | wagnerrp_: | then there should be no problem |
| [23:53:43] | clever: | i would just move the whole box over and not change any of the hardware |
| [23:53:54] | clever: | less chances for problems |
| [23:54:05] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, swapping the STB should be relatively easy |
| [23:54:32] | abarber: | that's true |
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| [23:55:08] | abarber: | i was tired of my roommates giving me crap for having the thing downstairs |
| [23:56:50] | wagnerrp_: | is it large? loud? |
| [23:57:10] | abarber: | it's in the way |
| [23:57:14] | wagnerrp_: | or do they just not appreciate it consuming the STB? |
| [23:57:18] | abarber: | it's on the living room table :-) |
| [23:57:20] | clever: | my old master(and current file storage) is a massive beast of a P4 |
| [23:57:24] | clever: | sounds like a jet engine:P |
| [23:57:28] | abarber: | haha |
| [23:57:33] | abarber: | i have an antec fusion |
| [23:57:37] | abarber: | so it's def not the sound |
| [23:57:44] | clever: | after the distro upgrade, the ivtv and lird exploded |
| [23:57:56] | clever: | so i moved the card and STB to another system that wasnt upgraded |
| [23:58:46] | abarber: | do either of you have any experience with thin clients? |
| [23:58:48] | clever: | was able to setup the card on the 1st try, though the lirc took another week to fix |
| [23:58:55] | abarber: | i hate lirc |
| [23:59:03] | clever: | i also have 4 systems able to network boot |
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| [23:59:15] | abarber: | that's cool |
| [23:59:16] | clever: | and i initialy made it a thin root with just bearly enough for mythfrontend |
| [23:59:46] | clever: | but one of the systems that was able to netboot has since lost the hdd to old age |
| [23:59:58] | clever: | so i installed a full gnome and used the netboot to replace the hdd:P |
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