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| [00:01:03] | nordle: | I have LiveTV, mmmmwwwwoooooooohhhhhahahahahahha hehehehehe wibble wibble wibble........ If anyone spots some sanity running around, please let me know. :) |
| [00:07:01] | my2keh: | ok...I've got femon in now |
| [00:07:32] | my2keh: | justinh>> do you know wht I should be looking for? |
| [00:08:09] | nordle: | mmm, not quite all good, jerky livetv, possibly due to hard disk activity.. will keep an eye on htop |
| [00:08:12] | nordle: | . |
| [00:08:17] | my2keh: | get stuff like status 1f | signal 3500 | snr 1503 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000001 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [00:08:17] | my2keh: | status 1f | signal 3500 | snr 157a | ber 00000000 | unc 00000001 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
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| [00:45:28] | dpick: | how do i make it so when i hold down an arrow key myth keeps scrolling |
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| [00:45:47] | my2keh: | sticky keys? |
| [00:46:02] | dpick: | on the remote, keyboard works fine |
| [00:46:13] | my2keh: | sticky keys setting |
| [00:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | edit the repeat+ for the keyin question |
| [00:46:19] | iamlindoro_: | er repeat= |
| [00:46:28] | dpick: | iamlindoro_: where? |
| [00:46:34] | iamlindoro_: | lircrc |
| [00:46:48] | my2keh: | that would do it |
| [00:47:13] | my2keh: | what happened to the mythconverg.inputsource table? |
| [00:47:55] | dpick: | set it to 1? |
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| [00:48:20] | iamlindoro_: | read the lirc documentation, lirc.org |
| [00:48:23] | iamlindoro_: | then you'll know |
| [00:48:42] | dpick: | ok thanks |
| [00:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | or even easier, google repeat site:lirc.org |
| [00:49:33] | iamlindoro_: | and it'll be in the first two results |
| [00:49:40] | progress0r: | is there an irc channel for the pchdtv card? |
| [00:49:40] | iamlindoro_: | but I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise of which |
| [00:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | #linuxtv |
| [00:49:53] | progress0r: | awesome thanks |
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| [00:51:18] | dpick: | got it, thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [00:51:34] | my2keh: | What table in mythconverg contains the Input source relations? |
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| [00:54:45] | progress0r: | can someone explain to me what ATSC versus clearQAM is? If i understand correctly, ATSC is digital broadcast similar to the OTA digital tv broadcasts, ClearQAM is similar to havnig a digital cable box? |
| [00:55:08] | progress0r: | crap wrong channel, meant this to be in linuxtv – sorry |
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| [01:01:08] | fryfrog: | progress0r: you are close but not quite right |
| [01:01:23] | fryfrog: | ATSC is digital OTA broadcasts. |
| [01:01:27] | progress0r: | ;) figured i was off somewhere |
| [01:01:28] | iamlindoro_: | covered already in #linuxtv |
| [01:01:32] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:01:43] | progress0r: | yes thank you lamlindoro |
| [01:01:47] | progress0r: | thanks |
| [01:02:03] | iamlindoro_: | That's why they pay me the big bucks |
| [01:03:00] | progress0r: | big bucks – thats cool, more toys. |
| [01:03:31] | progress0r: | what is the cable digital box protocol is that encrypted qam? |
| [01:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | 10% of all my #mythtv-users earnings go to children with progeria and cancer |
| [01:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | Cable boxes tune QAM, yes, and use proprietary encryption methods |
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| [01:05:02] | fryfrog: | i'm going to try and trade my DCH 3200s in for DCT 6200s |
| [01:05:08] | fryfrog: | I'm hoping that will make life better :( |
| [01:05:37] | fryfrog: | I tried my via firewire chipset pci card and the STBs went failure mode after only a few minutes of being plugged in. |
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| [01:05:59] | iamlindoro_: | That's not going to do anything |
| [01:06:12] | iamlindoro_: | The 6200 and 3200 are analogous |
| [01:06:16] | iamlindoro_: | 3200 = all digital |
| [01:06:27] | iamlindoro_: | 6200 = for systems where the first 80 are analog, then digital up from there |
| [01:06:33] | fryfrog: | oh :/ |
| [01:06:36] | iamlindoro_: | which is to say, they don't use 6200s here |
| [01:06:40] | fryfrog: | well foey |
| [01:06:50] | fryfrog: | so you have dch 3200s? |
| [01:07:00] | iamlindoro_: | 1 x 3200, 1 x 3416 |
| [01:07:01] | fryfrog: | can you paste your lspci line for your firewire card? |
| [01:07:08] | fryfrog: | 3416 is the DVR, right? |
| [01:07:18] | iamlindoro_: | 04:02.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) |
| [01:07:20] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [01:07:37] | fryfrog: | thanks, i assume it is mb built in? |
| [01:07:42] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [01:08:30] | fryfrog: | 01:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB82AA2 IEEE-1394b Link Layer Controller (rev 01) |
| [01:08:54] | iamlindoro_: | So different chipsets |
| [01:08:57] | fryfrog: | what era motherboard is that? i believe mine is nforce4 |
| [01:09:13] | fryfrog: | yar, wondering if yours is newer or older |
| [01:09:19] | iamlindoro_: | It's a modern mobo, P5n32 sli plus |
| [01:09:28] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:10:20] | fryfrog: | have you seen any problems with using daisy chain instead of 1 port per device? |
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| [01:10:38] | iamlindoro_: | Haven't seen 'em, haven't done it, no reason to do so |
| [01:10:58] | iamlindoro_: | 1x is working perfectly, and I'm not about to disturb a working system :) |
| [01:11:05] | iamlindoro_: | 1x = 1 port per |
| [01:11:10] | fryfrog: | gotcha |
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| [01:11:25] | fryfrog: | and do you use 6200ch external to change channels or let myth do it internal? |
| [01:11:32] | iamlindoro_: | All done internally |
| [01:11:33] | fryfrog: | not that that should matter |
| [01:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | the only time I use 6200 is when I want to do it from the command line, or when I'm capturing using the HD-PVR |
| [01:11:58] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:12:21] | fryfrog: | i had to add my DCH 3200s to 6200ch, I think they might be missing from myth source too |
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| [01:12:42] | iamlindoro_: | There are many models missing, you also need to patch firewiredevice.cpp |
| [01:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | then submit a patch via trac |
| [01:16:41] | fryfrog: | i'm about 90% sure i did both, it was the vendor id that was missing (model id is the same) |
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| [01:18:28] | fryfrog: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5440 |
| [01:18:30] | fryfrog: | yurp |
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| [01:21:51] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: did you remove all the 5C'd channels? |
| [01:22:01] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog, nothing to remove |
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| [01:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | All my channelswork properly |
| [01:22:11] | fryfrog: | okay, that is what i thought |
| [01:22:22] | iamlindoro_: | including HBOHD, StarzHD, etc. |
| [01:22:32] | fryfrog: | not bad |
| [01:22:33] | defaultro: | good evening folks :) has anyone seen mchou? |
| [01:22:37] | defaultro: | hi fryfrog |
| [01:22:41] | defaultro: | hi iamlindoro |
| [01:22:43] | fryfrog: | hi |
| [01:22:44] | defaultro: | nice to see you guys |
| [01:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | hello |
| [01:22:51] | defaultro: | long time no chat |
| [01:22:55] | defaultro: | maybe 6 months :D |
| [01:22:58] | iamlindoro_: | and no, thankfully I have not seen that troll :) |
| [01:23:08] | defaultro: | :) |
| [01:23:11] | iamlindoro_: | hasn't been in in a long time-- no wonder it's been so pleasant around here |
| [01:23:17] | defaultro: | lol |
| [01:23:21] | fryfrog: | what about that "reset firewire bus" option, do you use that? |
| [01:23:35] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog, no, in fact, that should absolutely be off |
| [01:23:39] | fryfrog: | kk |
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| [01:23:51] | fryfrog: | and speed? 100? |
| [01:23:57] | fryfrog: | and broadcast, i'm sure |
| [01:24:12] | defaultro: | i was hoping you guys can give me some solutions about voip :D I remember mchou gave me but forgot it. I'm thinking of disconnecting my phone server |
| [01:24:41] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog, 200, broadcast, with timeouts changed to 15000 and 20000 |
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| [01:26:02] | fryfrog: | ah, thanks |
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| [01:27:40] | fryfrog: | okay, here goes! |
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| [01:44:34] | forrestv: | the internal video player acts weird when playing VOBs for me. anyone else? |
| [01:45:51] | iamlindoro_: | That's like saying the sky is "a color" or that your face has "shapes" |
| [01:46:17] | iamlindoro_: | which is to say, "weird" doesn't give one much to go on |
| [01:49:28] | ** iamlindoro_ shrugs, goes back to watching TV ** | |
| [01:54:04] | cesman: | iamlindoro_: guess it was just a statement and not a call for help |
| [01:54:27] | iamlindoro_: | so it seems :) |
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| [02:36:27] | clever: | 2008-08–23 23:35:04.773 Finished recording The Red Green Show "Gladiator": channel 1014 |
| [02:36:31] | clever: | 2008-08–23 23:35:05.045 scheduler: Finished recording: The Red Green Show "Gladiator": channel 1014 |
| [02:36:34] | clever: | *** glibc detected *** mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0865eba9 *** |
| [02:36:37] | clever: | its been doing this on and off all month |
| [02:36:39] | clever: | ======= Backtrace: ========= |
| [02:36:41] | clever: | wtf! |
| [02:36:47] | clever: | and no my ram isnt going bad, i tested it |
| [02:42:12] | weevilofdoom: | maybe hdd? could be that it's allocating space in the swap file.. |
| [02:42:17] | weevilofdoom: | and kaboom |
| [02:42:59] | jblack: | What confuses me is not the segfault, but that someone records the red green show. |
| [02:44:09] | jblack: | clever: Perhaps the glibc that myth was built against doesn't do well with the glibc that is available on your system. or, perhaps you upgraded glibc and didn't restart myth |
| [02:44:13] | clever: | jblack: it isnt a segfault |
| [02:44:27] | clever: | jblack: i'll try a distclean and recompile |
| [02:44:29] | jblack: | true. |
| [02:44:50] | jblack: | But it can be an abi breakage |
| [02:45:20] | clever: | distclean'ing |
| [02:45:32] | clever: | abi changes should be fixed by a total recompile |
| [02:45:49] | clever: | remove all binarys for mythtv and replace |
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| [06:22:44] | ajh_: | OK, most frustrating night ever... one nova-s decided not to switch anymore. |
| [06:22:55] | ajh_: | ironically the first one, and that caused all hell to break loose. |
| [06:23:47] | ajh_: | I'm hoping its one of the 2 still under warranty. |
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| [06:25:06] | ajh_: | having a 'switch test' option might be a good thing later on. :) |
| [06:28:49] | ajh_: | gotta hate when bad hardware ruins your day. |
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| [06:43:39] | progress0r: | including bad a/c unit when its 100 degress outside – thats a hardware problem |
| [06:43:44] | progress0r: | ;) |
| [06:44:18] | ajh_: | if it takes you 4 hours to figure that one out you're doing something wrong though. |
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| [06:45:03] | ajh_: | I think I'll finally have all my channels back in about 5 minutes, but only on 2 cards. |
| [06:45:14] | progress0r: | yep, my solution – call the a/c guy, open wallet |
| [06:45:35] | ajh_: | they're pretty simple devices actually, pumps, fans. |
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| [06:45:58] | progress0r: | yeah but the refrigerant – i cant get it legally here – only licensed a/c repairmen can |
| [06:46:15] | ajh_: | if that's the problem, usually one of the motors go, usually bearings. |
| [06:46:32] | progress0r: | freezing up |
| [06:46:45] | ajh_: | I'm considering trying to mate up an outdoor unit with a fridge as the indoor unit. |
| [06:47:22] | progress0r: | outside unit – like a window unit? |
| [06:47:24] | ajh_: | then in the winter it'll use the cold air outside, and in the summer it won't dump it in the house. |
| [06:47:29] | progress0r: | interesting idea |
| [06:47:36] | ajh_: | central air unit. |
| [06:47:42] | progress0r: | oh oh yes ok |
| [06:47:48] | ajh_: | If I had to live with a window unit I'd kill someone. |
| [06:47:56] | progress0r: | i know HA HA i hate those things |
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| [06:48:21] | progress0r: | i bought one for my office and pulled it out withing a few weeks – sounded like an 737 on the runway |
| [06:49:56] | ajh_: | Floor standing ones are ok in places like server rooms or print shops where you need to get it in the right location, but for a house... central. |
| [06:50:15] | ajh_: | Haven't decided if the new place gets an AC or a heat pump yet. |
| [06:50:26] | progress0r: | right on – i bough a $500 free-standing unit last summer – took it back – that sounded like a 747 |
| [06:51:52] | ajh_: | Whatever I get I need to produce the power to run, so it'll be a long process. |
| [06:52:46] | ajh_: | Also why I hope those dell hybrid are well supported soon :) |
| [06:55:37] | progress0r: | im getting crappy reception on my pchdtv 5500 coming from the cable line. ugh |
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| [06:55:49] | progress0r: | or interference from the computer |
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| [07:34:02] | ajh_: | RingBuf(/var/mythtv5/2801_20080824033305.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()' |
| [07:34:05] | ajh_: | Getting that a lot |
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| [07:40:05] | Solaris444: | hey guys, what does "Scanning timeout no tables" mean? |
| [07:54:19] | justinh: | it means no channel information tables were found during scanning |
| [07:54:37] | justinh: | pretty much means that scanning has failed |
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| [08:03:29] | justinh: | my2keh: your signal to noise ratio (SNR) is low. signal strength is ok but it's noisy. |
| [08:06:00] | justinh: | if you're using an antenna, time to look into getting a better signal either by upgrading it or maybe trying an amplifier – not that it's guaranteed to help. if using cable, test it by making sure the connection to the mythtv backend is as close to where the cable comes in the house as possible with nothing else connected |
| [08:12:08] | Solaris444: | hmmm.... |
| [08:12:16] | Solaris444: | ok then justinh, i'll try turning up the gain. |
| [08:12:25] | Solaris444: | it's only at 50% at the moment. |
| [08:17:16] | Solaris444: | justinh, that helped a bit. what is the minimum signal threshold required for proper operation? |
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| [08:33:00] | justinh: | Solaris444: there's no minimum. you either get a good signal or you don't |
| [08:35:39] | Solaris444: | ok |
| [08:35:48] | Solaris444: | I'll give it a try on another antenna. |
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| [09:27:19] | strike: | i know what the website says but has anyone had luck getting a dvb usb tuner working correctly on a pentium 4 CPU 2.66 and geforce2 with 1088 frames in glxgears? my picture jerks around and the log says frames are being dropped |
| [09:28:40] | strike: | can anyone give me their glx scores on a working system? |
| [09:28:55] | strike: | glxgears rather |
| [09:30:46] | clever: | glxgears runs totaly in the GPU when everything is working right |
| [09:30:58] | clever: | but most hd decoding has to be done in the main CPU |
| [09:32:33] | strike: | i have XvMC set in myth but even with default settings it is the same |
| [09:32:34] | styelz: | i just manage to get HD to play smooth on my P4 2.4 . but i have gforce 6800 |
| [09:33:02] | cesman: | as far as I'm aware, teh geforce 2 doesn't support XvMC |
| [09:33:06] | strike: | im really only chasing sd do you have XvMC set for everything |
| [09:33:20] | strike: | i guess that is why there is no difference |
| [09:33:26] | styelz: | and i need to use libmpeg |
| [09:33:31] | styelz: | or it jerks |
| [09:33:53] | cesman: | you need a geforce 4 440 or above |
| [09:33:58] | cesman: | for XvMC |
| [09:34:18] | strike: | did you use a default profile or create one for libmpeg |
| [09:34:44] | justinh: | that cpu should be grunty enough |
| [09:34:59] | justinh: | do you have the nvidia binary driver installed? |
| [09:35:52] | strike: | yes |
| [09:36:03] | justinh: | I don't think it's even worth considering libmpeg |
| [09:36:13] | strike: | it doesnt seem to work |
| [09:36:33] | justinh: | and as cesman has said there's no use even trying xvmc |
| [09:36:34] | strike: | i created a profile with only libmpeg2 and it didnt even try |
| [09:36:38] | strike: | no prob |
| [09:36:49] | styelz: | libmpeg is the only way i can get HD to run smooth on my p4 |
| [09:36:56] | strike: | if i have to upgrade i guess i will |
| [09:37:03] | justinh: | that cpu should just munch its way through standard def TV |
| [09:37:07] | strike: | is libmpeg installed by default? |
| [09:37:19] | justinh: | mythtv has its own ffmpeg libraries |
| [09:37:22] | justinh: | use them |
| [09:37:54] | strike: | the normal profile seems to use ffmpeg for everything |
| [09:38:01] | justinh: | so? |
| [09:38:24] | justinh: | maybe the problem is the deinterlacer you're lumbered with |
| [09:38:31] | styelz: | yes |
| [09:38:32] | strike: | i think i have killed something |
| [09:38:46] | justinh: | do other apps play back video okay? |
| [09:39:16] | strike: | yes i havent installed dvd support but xvid is fine |
| [09:39:41] | strike: | is my cpu ok with only onboard video? |
| [09:39:43] | justinh: | xvid is not what you get from your usb tuner though |
| [09:39:48] | justinh: | yes it should be fine |
| [09:40:01] | strike: | no its the video i had handy |
| [09:40:07] | justinh: | this log output you speak of. care to plop it into a pastebin? |
| [09:40:40] | strike: | not sure how i can put one or two lines in here |
| [09:40:56] | justinh: | copy the log to your clipboard |
| [09:41:19] | justinh: | go to pastebin.com or pastebin.ca or whatever. paste the clipboard into there |
| [09:42:03] | justinh: | the problem with people filtering their own log output is that important stuff is invariably missed out |
| [09:42:37] | justinh: | it's reasonable to think you know what to look for, but that isn't always the case ;) |
| [09:42:59] | strike: | when i changed profiles myth stopped working |
| [09:43:09] | strike: | it launches but doesnt show video |
| [09:43:25] | styelz: | restart mythfrontend |
| [09:43:28] | justinh: | then after a couple of seconds showing a black screen it takes you back to the menu |
| [09:43:38] | styelz: | that happens to me when going from opengl to xv |
| [09:43:52] | styelz: | or something like that. |
| [09:44:09] | styelz: | i can hear the sound though |
| [09:44:14] | justinh: | (I'll bet) |
| [09:44:34] | justinh: | maybe you need to put the backend log into a pastebin too |
| [09:44:43] | strike: | i rebooted the whole machine same thing |
| [09:44:55] | justinh: | rebooting rarely solves anything |
| [09:45:04] | strike: | thanks guys i'll ask again when i get back to where i was |
| [09:45:23] | justinh: | fine. don't let us help by looking at your logs. |
| [09:45:54] | strike: | i dont know where they are |
| [09:45:57] | strike: | sorry |
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| [09:46:16] | styelz: | maybe in /var/log/mythtv |
| [09:46:17] | justinh: | well, mythfrontend – when run from a terminal – puts everything into the terminal |
| [09:46:39] | justinh: | mythbackend logs usually live in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [09:46:52] | strike: | 5 mins ago i could have done that but now its not even really launching |
| [09:47:05] | justinh: | all you have to do is ASK if you don't know. nobody is going to shoot you for not knowing everything |
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| [09:47:24] | jblack: | I will. I like shooting people for trivial reasons. |
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| [09:48:24] | justinh: | that said, stuff you can easily find in documentation – that's another matter ;) |
| [09:48:47] | justinh: | strike: WHAT isn't even really launching now? |
| [09:48:48] | strike: | ok cheeres |
| [09:49:02] | jblack: | What I don't know is why not everyone.... |
| [09:49:07] | strike: | before i got a picture now no picture or sound |
| [09:49:07] | jblack: | aww damn... <BANG> |
| [09:49:36] | strike: | ok i have some logs just a min |
| [09:49:36] | justinh: | strike: let's see some log output. from the backend |
| [09:49:46] | justinh: | er.. the whole log if possible |
| [09:49:55] | styelz: | something to do with the chaos theory |
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| [09:52:26] | strike: | all of the logfiles are 5 mb do you want the most recent to start with? |
| [09:53:09] | strike: | backend just a min |
| [09:54:35] | justinh: | most recent |
| [09:54:40] | justinh: | 5mb logs? |
| [09:54:53] | justinh: | just take the last log from where mythbackend last started up |
| [09:56:38] | strike: | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m79c71e95 |
| [09:56:48] | strike: | the most recent backend log |
| [09:58:02] | strike: | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m60c1342c |
| [09:58:08] | strike: | the most recent frontend log |
| [09:59:12] | strike: | my dropped frame messages dont seem to show up in those logs |
| [10:00:37] | justinh: | V. V. V. BAD: ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [10:01:04] | justinh: | and if that just appeared in the log like that I'd say your database is hosed |
| [10:01:45] | strike: | maybe that log was after i tried changing my profile and it stopped working |
| [10:01:49] | strike: | i have earlier ones |
| [10:02:08] | justinh: | and this: VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'ivtv' not available. |
| [10:02:23] | justinh: | tells me you've chosed a playback profile which wants to use a pvr350 |
| [10:02:53] | justinh: | I know the video playback profiles stuff is a bit of a mare but I can't come up with a better way to do it |
| [10:03:58] | justinh: | strike: you said you rebooted. how did you do that? proper shutdown/reboot or did you just hit reset? |
| [10:04:10] | strike: | i dont know how the logs correspond to when i was using myth |
| [10:04:32] | justinh: | well, the error about myth not finding any capture cards in the database is a show-stopper |
| [10:04:35] | strike: | i reboot in gnome but sometimes i use reboot from terminal |
| [10:04:41] | Solaris444: | justinh: I am getting a message telling me my myth transcode daemon is not running. |
| [10:04:41] | justinh: | that is not just going to go away |
| [10:04:42] | strike: | that happened later |
| [10:04:50] | Solaris444: | It asks me to press a number key to start it. |
| [10:04:51] | strike: | i'll get an earlier log |
| [10:05:09] | Solaris444: | I do so, but nothing happens. Would you have any idea what I might be missing? |
| [10:05:26] | Solaris444: | It is a service I have to start separately or something? |
| [10:05:40] | justinh: | strike: that makes no difference. mythbackendis saying there are no capture cards defined. there obviously were before, but not now. without fixing that, you're screwed anyway |
| [10:05:47] | justinh: | Solaris444: you got it bud |
| [10:05:59] | justinh: | mtd is a separate service |
| [10:06:10] | justinh: | mtd == myth transcode daemon |
| [10:06:13] | justinh: | clever huh |
| [10:06:16] | Solaris444: | justinh: ok no problem. it doesn't seem to have been added to my distro's service list. |
| [10:06:21] | clever: | yeah:P |
| [10:06:24] | Solaris444: | Any idea where i can find it? |
| [10:06:27] | strike: | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m78b9c892 |
| [10:06:29] | justinh: | runs independently of mythbackend |
| [10:06:31] | strike: | from a week ago |
| [10:06:38] | Solaris444: | I thought it might justinh. |
| [10:06:51] | strike: | before i lost my dvb card |
| [10:07:04] | strike: | for the backend i can do the frontend as well |
| [10:07:19] | justinh: | strike: last week's log is of no consequence now |
| [10:07:23] | strike: | this one i spotted epg data so it should be good |
| [10:07:36] | justinh: | strike: fix the database |
| [10:07:39] | strike: | i can get back to where i was no problem |
| [10:07:58] | strike: | i've done it a hundred times |
| [10:08:51] | justinh: | strike: I think as far as your playback problem is concerned you just need to _switch_ to a video playback profile that suits you better. i.e. do not change an existing one, just try a few & see which works better |
| [10:09:07] | justinh: | I think the wiki has explanations of each default profile |
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| [10:11:34] | jduggan_: | is it just me or is gimp difficult to learn |
| [10:11:37] | strike: | i tried most of them from both ends of the spectrum as far as i could tell it was exactly the same i dont want to sound ungrateful but i have tried a few of these over a few weeks i will come back when im back to where i was but my dvb card just decided to not open in mythtv-setup |
| [10:16:52] | strike: | i havent changed any existing profiles just made one for XvMC and one just now for mpeglib2 |
| [10:16:57] | cesman: | it won't open if the backend is running |
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| [10:25:47] | strike: | is xfs the best filesystem to use for my recordings partition? |
| [10:26:03] | Solaris444: | strike: jfs is theoretically better. |
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| [10:26:13] | Solaris444: | because it isn't so vulnerable to power outages. |
| [10:26:25] | Solaris444: | but you'll be hard pressed to find a distro that has formal support for it. |
| [10:26:39] | strike: | i have 5gb filesystem 800mb swap and 154gb /video |
| [10:27:19] | strike: | ext3 for / and jfs for /video sound ok? |
| [10:27:59] | Solaris444: | mount it at /storage dude |
| [10:28:12] | strike: | np |
| [10:28:31] | Solaris444: | because you'll likely have /storage/video and /storage/recording and /storage/livetv |
| [10:28:33] | Solaris444: | and so on. |
| [10:30:35] | strike: | cool |
| [10:30:59] | strike: | ext3 for / and jfs for /storage |
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| [10:34:39] | strike: | is synaptic the best way about installing myth? |
| [10:35:04] | ** cesman thinks KnoppMyth is ;) ** | |
| [10:35:28] | strike: | i have a download cap here |
| [10:35:34] | cesman: | install it however you want |
| [10:35:40] | strike: | cheers |
| [10:36:35] | strike: | my knoppmyth is 7.10 i think but i have ubuntu 8.04 |
| [10:36:43] | cesman: | Solaris444: KnoppMyth has had support for JFS for years |
| [10:36:44] | strike: | installing presently |
| [10:37:01] | cesman: | there is no such thing as KnoppMyth 7.10 |
| [10:37:25] | strike: | well i downloaded it before april this year |
| [10:38:06] | strike: | i havent followed knoppix for a while sorry |
| [10:38:09] | cesman: | Solaris444: while a auto install will format /myth as ext3, there is nothing stopping a user from doing a manual install and formatting /myth w/ any filesystem s/he chooses |
| [10:38:24] | cesman: | Knoppix isn't KnoppMyth |
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| [10:56:07] | booop: | Hello |
| [10:56:18] | booop: | I seem to have an odd problem |
| [10:56:50] | booop: | When I try to change channels it automaticly change to 001 |
| [10:57:18] | booop: | no matter which channel I chose ofcourse |
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| [11:01:46] | till__: | hi all |
| [11:03:20] | till__: | does someone of you know the default username and password of mythweb? i installed it under ubuntu |
| [11:14:32] | AndyCap: | booop: only saw that when my channel table was messed up. |
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| [11:17:23] | Solaris444: | cesman: thanks |
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| [11:31:35] | andycaz: | I tried following this guide to get my WinTV HVR-1110 remote working with lirc, but i cant seem to get any input from my remote: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=130129 |
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| [11:32:20] | andycaz: | cat /proc/bus/input/devices lists my remote controller with kbd event6 but when i try evtest /dev/input/event6 it doesnt react to the remote |
| [11:38:33] | fryfrog: | if it is lirc, shouldn't you be using it as such? |
| [11:38:41] | fryfrog: | with irw and things like that? |
| [11:38:57] | fryfrog: | (granted i know nothing about that remote) |
| [11:40:39] | till__: | lirc is driving me nuts |
| [11:40:53] | till__: | it crashes right after i connect wie irw |
| [11:46:59] | andycaz: | fryfrog: I assume you responded to me – well i havent tried irw, im stuck at that point in the guide where it tells me to use evtest to see if there is any communication between my remote and pc |
| [11:49:22] | andycaz: | well i tried to use lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event5 -n and then irw, then i pressed a button on a remote – nothing... |
| [11:49:57] | till__: | do you have the correct lircd file? |
| [11:50:10] | till__: | that was the problem i discovered the last time setting up lirc |
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| [11:50:22] | till__: | irw showed nothing on the console |
| [11:50:22] | andycaz: | No, ive never touched that file |
| [11:50:31] | till__: | until i had the correct config file |
| [11:50:31] | andycaz: | doesnt mention anything about that file in the guide either |
| [11:52:07] | till__: | andycaz, the whole lircd.conf file is shown in this guide... |
| [11:52:39] | andycaz: | right... its after testing |
| [11:52:57] | andycaz: | I didnt look after that, ill try hardware.conf and lirc.conf |
| [11:53:40] | till__: | yeah after testing... as i mentioned above i had the same problems testing the input the last time i set up lirc |
| [11:56:53] | andycaz: | That hardware.conf in the guide is very light compared to default hardware.conf |
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| [12:00:57] | andycaz: | still nothing |
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| [12:01:16] | andycaz: | i dont know, maybe the IR receiver is fucked |
| [12:01:34] | andycaz: | can i use PVR-150 IR receiver instead? |
| [12:02:35] | till__: | normally u can change those hauppauge receivers |
| [12:02:57] | till__: | changed mine with an 7 year old receiver and it works ;) |
| [12:03:39] | andycaz: | oh my god |
| [12:03:46] | andycaz: | I changed it, AND IT FUCKING WORKED |
| [12:03:52] | andycaz: | So the IR was fucked.. no wonder then |
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| [12:10:57] | till__: | :) |
| [12:11:58] | till__: | fine yours is working |
| [12:12:03] | till__: | now mine :D |
| [12:12:05] | till__: | HELP :D |
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| [12:24:20] | andycaz: | hmm, im trying to make my IR static, so it would jump from event5 to event6 and so on... I used "udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event5)" but cant find vendor id |
| [12:24:31] | andycaz: | Can i just use lspci -v ? Does it produce the same thing? |
| [12:25:33] | andycaz: | well lspci -v didnt give me anything either |
| [12:25:49] | andycaz: | the first syntax i used gave me "ATTR{dev}=="13:69"" is that it? |
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| [12:42:46] | tearor: | is it possible to use the hauppauge pvr 350 as a hardware mpeg2 decoder/encoder but to use the video out of the graphic card (to have xv and open gl)? |
| [12:46:51] | troldrik: | just encoding. |
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| [12:48:18] | neztiti: | guys any new news about new ver. ???? |
| [12:49:18] | andycaz: | anyone know how to get vendor id of a event*? |
| [12:59:18] | andycaz: | can someone help me out with lirc? Ive set up my remote /etc/lirc/lircd.conf but now what? Some guides tell me i need to copy lircrc to ~/.lircrc but i dont have lircrc |
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| [13:04:01] | andycaz: | Mythtv howto tells me to : "cd ~/mythtv-0.21/contrib/configfiles" and "cp lircrc.example ~/.lircrc". But i have no ~/mythtv-0.21 on my home dir |
| [13:04:36] | andycaz: | using locate lircrc i could only find tvtime lircrc, but not mythtv |
| [13:08:59] | andycaz: | Cool, ubuntu had a package called "mythbuntu-lircrc-generator" which did it for me |
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| [13:11:07] | andycaz: | damnit, i still get "pressed key not recognized" when trying to bind action to remote control button |
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| [13:17:03] | stephen_: | hi all will someone be able to help me setup my tv tuner card, in mythtv? |
| [13:20:14] | styelz: | andycaz: you dont need to use the /dev/event# devices on ubuntu. Use the devices by-path . have a look in /dev/input/by-path ... you will see your remote ( eg. pci-0000:00:0d.0--event-ir) and it wont change. It gets mapped to event# for you. |
| [13:21:26] | forrestv: | is there a way to get mythtv to crop off black/static on edges of the video?\ |
| [13:23:09] | andycaz: | styelz: hmm, in by-path i have only mouse, kbd, event-spkr |
| [13:23:10] | andycaz: | No ir |
| [13:24:13] | styelz: | hmm ok |
| [13:24:29] | andycaz: | styelz: but any idea how to find out my vendor id? |
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| [13:24:38] | andycaz: | lspci -v doesnt give me anything useful either |
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| [13:26:01] | styelz: | dmesg |
| [13:27:24] | andycaz: | dmesg: subsystem: 0070:6701, board: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1110 DVB-T/Hybrid [card=104,autodetected] |
| [13:28:27] | andycaz: | but no vendor id.. it should be something like SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1" |
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| [13:41:48] | styelz: | hmm |
| [13:42:02] | styelz: | i wrote a script a while ago to detect my remote event# |
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| [13:44:20] | styelz: | ok |
| [13:45:05] | styelz: | andycaz: for vendor ID's .. check ... cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
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| [13:45:40] | styelz: | here's my script. it's php.. but you can see the steps i take and use them . http://www.pastebin.ca/1183458 |
| [13:45:55] | styelz: | just look at the exec() parts |
| [13:47:56] | andycaz: | cat /proc/bus/input/devices gave me I: Bus=0018 Vendor=0000 Product=0000 Version=0000 |
| [13:48:04] | styelz: | damn |
| [13:48:14] | styelz: | im supprised its not in by-path too |
| [13:48:26] | styelz: | maybe there is an issue with the driver for that cards ir ? |
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| [13:48:47] | andycaz: | styelz: No, it works fine, dmesg shows the firmware and driver is okay |
| [13:48:57] | andycaz: | Oh you meant ir.. |
| [13:49:09] | andycaz: | i dont know, i dont think so... Then i wouldnt be the only one |
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| [13:50:27] | andycaz: | lspci -v gave me "Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device 6701" |
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| [13:55:25] | andycaz: | but |
| [13:55:26] | styelz: | maybe follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623126 |
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| [14:02:33] | andycaz: | didnt help me |
| [14:03:49] | andycaz: | can i change this rule: "KERNEL=="event*",SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1",SYMLINK=" ;input/irremote" " To not to look for SYSFS{vendor}, but ATTRS{name}=="HVR 1110" |
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| [14:04:40] | styelz: | try it and find out ;) |
| [14:04:52] | styelz: | bed time.. F1 over |
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| [14:07:21] | andycaz: | It worked, thank god! Now i can concentrate on getting lirc to work with mythtv |
| [14:07:33] | andycaz: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2008-08–24 17:06 irremote -> event5 |
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| [14:17:06] | styelz: | heh, this virtual box seamless mode is a trip |
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| [14:20:52] | fryfrog: | virtual box seamless mode? |
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| [14:22:11] | Zuliani: | Hi, I'm trying to setip mythtv on a laptop of mine, but in mythtv-setup my mouse acts funny. I have limited success with my keyboard, since I don't know how to control dropdown boxes |
| [14:23:19] | Zuliani: | is it supposed to be like that? :s |
| [14:23:25] | Zuliani: | that the mouse hardly works |
| [14:23:40] | laga: | yes |
| [14:23:54] | Zuliani: | okay |
| [14:24:04] | Zuliani: | so how do I control dropdown boxes? |
| [14:24:13] | Zuliani: | with the keyboard, since I don't have a remote |
| [14:24:34] | styelz: | cursor keys and enter |
| [14:24:51] | styelz: | or space |
| [14:25:24] | styelz: | esc to exit/go back |
| [14:25:49] | Zuliani: | enter/space just do the same as 'next' |
| [14:26:03] | Zuliani: | how ooh, left and right arrow keys work |
| [14:26:08] | styelz: | move the highlighted are with cursor keys |
| [14:26:18] | styelz: | it defaults on next |
| [14:27:32] | styelz: | you get used to it |
| [14:27:36] | styelz: | its cool |
| [14:27:44] | styelz: | especially with a remote |
| [14:28:05] | styelz: | with the lovely pop up keyboard |
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| [14:35:06] | hobophobe: | Is there a way to set the tuned channel from outside of mythtv, so that when I start mythtv it will not try to change to the last channel it had? |
| [14:36:07] | Zuliani: | woops |
| [14:36:13] | Zuliani: | I set the draw mode to OpenGL for testing |
| [14:36:22] | Zuliani: | but mythfrontend only draws the background now |
| [14:36:28] | Zuliani: | how can I revert that manually? |
| [14:38:03] | hobophobe: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt will run it using QT and then I guess you could change it back? |
| [14:38:41] | Zuliani: | okay |
| [14:38:47] | Zuliani: | I was messing around in the database allready |
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| [14:47:23] | hobophobe: | I'm basically trying to do the same thing except I don't know the name of the setting I need to override hehe |
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| [14:48:51] | Dubstar_04: | Does anyone know how to add channel to mythtube? |
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| [14:54:10] | bagpuss_thecat: | anyone know if it's possible to sync playback of multiple (2 or 3) frontends? like a squeezebox would with audio. Video timing isn't essential, but the audio would be |
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| [14:54:57] | mkrufky: | wow..... all this time i thought mythweb was slow on my setup because it was a lot of data for firefox to render...... now that i have my new server set up (and it rocks) ..... well, now I see that the slow-down was server-side |
| [14:55:15] | mkrufky: | i guess mysql on my old box wasnt keeping up |
| [14:55:33] | mkrufky: | i dont think thats possible, currently bagpuss_thecat |
| [14:56:03] | bagpuss_thecat: | no worries |
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| [14:57:31] | mkrufky: | lol, and no matter how many silumtaneous recordings I try to schedule, it never uses more than three frontends.... lol |
| [14:57:40] | mkrufky: | i guess 5 in a single machine may have been a bit much |
| [14:58:21] | hobophobe: | for the record it's DB->cardinput->startchan that controls the startup channel of a card |
| [14:58:22] | andycaz: | Im getting really glitchy video with horizontal lines when using progressive scan and tearing when using interlaced |
| [14:58:35] | andycaz: | Its hauppauge HVR-1110 card, the stream is mpeg-4 |
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| [14:59:15] | mkrufky: | you're receiving a DVB-T mpeg4 stream, or you're using the card to receive analog and using myth to encode to mpeg4, andycaz ? |
| [14:59:46] | andycaz: | mkrufky: im receiving mpeg4 dvb-t stream |
| [14:59:52] | mkrufky: | andycaz: sorry — i just realized that my question is irrelevant to your problem... its clearly a playback issue, nothing to do with the card |
| [15:00:03] | andycaz: | When changing channels, it takes about 4–6 seconds for it to show anything, i guess its buffering |
| [15:00:11] | mkrufky: | ah, well that is the card |
| [15:00:24] | mkrufky: | yes, the tuner on that card takes a few seconds to stabalize |
| [15:00:29] | styelz: | andycaz: this link helped me out, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_display_timing |
| [15:00:42] | styelz: | its a start |
| [15:01:07] | mkrufky: | andycaz: so.... the linux driver for that tuner inserts a wait before returning control back to the application — to make sure that the channel is locked before the app tries to grab data |
| [15:01:07] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know dvb-t supported mpeg4 |
| [15:01:15] | wagnerrp: | i thought only the '2' versions did |
| [15:01:23] | wagnerrp: | dvb-t2, dvb-s2 |
| [15:01:42] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: h.264 DVB-T , which is used in France, Norway and NZ, (iirc) is mpeg-4 |
| [15:01:44] | Dubstar_04: | Does anyone know how to add channels to mythtube? |
| [15:02:49] | mkrufky: | andycaz: anyway, no — its not buffering — its just waiting for lock stability. it might already have the lock, but it waits anyway, to make sure that the lock stays strong and stable |
| [15:03:53] | iamlindoro: | press m, like every other plugin in myth, and look at the menu options. It's pretty self explanatory |
| [15:04:00] | mkrufky: | andycaz: so... in your case, you might want to add some lead time to recordings made with that card....... mythtv lets you add extra seconds to the begioning and end of the recording..... i would add an extra 5–10 seconds of lead time ... *if* you're worried about the delay of channel change. this will prevent you from missing the first 3–4 sec of a program |
| [15:04:12] | mkrufky: | hi iamlindoro: |
| [15:04:16] | mkrufky: | my maching rocks! |
| [15:04:19] | mkrufky: | machine |
| [15:04:19] | iamlindoro: | hey there mkrufky |
| [15:04:23] | iamlindoro: | sweet |
| [15:04:36] | iamlindoro: | Was I right about the cooling, btw? |
| [15:04:50] | mkrufky: | well, so far it only had 2 HDD's |
| [15:04:52] | iamlindoro: | I know that for me it stays super cool, but wondered if you saw same |
| [15:04:54] | mkrufky: | cooling seems ok |
| [15:04:56] | mkrufky: | but i want more |
| [15:05:12] | mkrufky: | i have the machine under my desk where the old server was |
| [15:05:13] | iamlindoro: | heh, better find a closet to hide it in :) |
| [15:05:23] | mkrufky: | and the vent on the side window part of the case |
| [15:05:34] | mkrufky: | well.... gives me this warm feeling on the side of my leg |
| [15:05:45] | Dubstar_04: | iamlindoro, thanks. |
| [15:05:46] | iamlindoro: | I used to have a girlfriend like that |
| [15:05:54] | mkrufky: | hahaa.... |
| [15:06:09] | mkrufky: | anyway yeah it is well cooled |
| [15:06:22] | mkrufky: | i love the separate compartments |
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| [15:06:49] | iamlindoro: | I love all the drive slots <3 |
| [15:06:57] | iamlindoro: | for MOAR TEEVEE |
| [15:07:01] | wagnerrp: | what case? |
| [15:07:07] | mkrufky: | LIAN |
| [15:07:11] | mkrufky: | i'll get a link |
| [15:07:15] | wagnerrp: | V2000? |
| [15:07:29] | iamlindoro: | yes, the v2000 |
| [15:07:30] | mkrufky: | LIAN LI PC-V2000BPIIWC Black Aluminum Server Computer Case w/card reader |
| [15:07:33] | mkrufky: | correct |
| [15:07:50] | mkrufky: | silly card reader... i dont get why they threw it in |
| [15:08:22] | iamlindoro: | It is a little weird, but what the heck |
| [15:08:48] | mkrufky: | Newegg.com – Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! <http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . ;amp;Descrip |
| [15:08:54] | mkrufky: | there is a nice shot of it |
| [15:09:24] | andycaz: | using "mythfrontend -v playback" i got this output: 2008-08–24 18:05:42.959 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait ; 2008-08–24 18:05:42.959 Refresh rate: 16661, frame interval: 40000 |
| [15:09:38] | mkrufky: | its annoying that i have to remove that mounted fan every time i want to move around pcie cards...... this was def not meant as a devbox |
| [15:10:02] | andycaz: | And when watching something i get this annoying horizontal tear... |
| [15:10:05] | mkrufky: | oh..... and one of my PCIe x1 slots was blocked by a cooling pipe :-( |
| [15:10:13] | mkrufky: | only 1 card i can find fits there — the HVR1250 |
| [15:10:22] | mkrufky: | everything else is too long |
| [15:10:47] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: by a case cooling pipe, or is this the fault of the mobo? |
| [15:10:58] | mkrufky: | andycaz: first suspect, IMHO, would be graphics driver ... next, rendering engine options |
| [15:11:06] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: mobo |
| [15:11:36] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: take a look at this..... the leftmost PCIe (x1 slot) |
| [15:11:38] | wagnerrp: | awww... you got the one with the window in it? |
| [15:11:43] | mkrufky: | Newegg.com – Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! <http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 20Retail> |
| [15:11:50] | mkrufky: | yes, i have the window, wagnerrp |
| [15:11:57] | wagnerrp: | bah... |
| [15:12:01] | styelz: | heh |
| [15:12:20] | styelz: | mkrufky: doesnt bloody work |
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| [15:12:54] | andycaz: | mkrufky: but is that video timing method right – USleep? |
| [15:12:58] | mkrufky: | what doesnt work, styelz ? |
| [15:13:11] | styelz: | the url. i want to see your box |
| [15:13:20] | wagnerrp: | holy shit thats a lot of ethernet |
| [15:13:22] | mkrufky: | oh! |
| [15:13:41] | mkrufky: | styelz: Newegg.com – LIAN LI PC-V2000BPIIWC Black Aluminum Server Computer Case w/card reader – Computer Cases <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 11112189> |
| [15:13:52] | styelz: | thanks |
| [15:13:53] | mkrufky: | styelz: Newegg.com – GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard – Intel Motherboards <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 13128343> |
| [15:13:57] | mkrufky: | and that was the MB |
| [15:14:13] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: yeah, the 4 GigE is excessive |
| [15:14:45] | styelz: | love the wheels |
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| [15:15:01] | mkrufky: | this MB seems like a server MB, but also built like a gaming mb |
| [15:15:13] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine what i would do with quad gigabit |
| [15:15:36] | iamlindoro: | Things like wheels and windows aside, this case is easily one of the most well thought out (and most drive slots) I've ever seen at that price |
| [15:15:52] | mkrufky: | i could think of something to do with it if I wanted to drop this server into a hotel or apartment building and let everybody that lives there use the mythbackend |
| [15:15:54] | styelz: | yea thats a lot of drive bays |
| [15:15:58] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason for something with that kind of power to serve as a firewall |
| [15:15:59] | mkrufky: | (^ the 4GigE) |
| [15:16:06] | andycaz: | how is lircrc supposed to work with mythtv? I set up my lircrc at ~/.mythtv/lircrc but when trying to go to Setup/Edit Keys/frontend and try to map a menu button to menu i get unknown key pressed or something |
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| [15:16:14] | wagnerrp: | and if i were going to do channel bonding, i would want better NICs to do it with |
| [15:16:18] | styelz: | nice.. and seperated too |
| [15:16:36] | mkrufky: | yes |
| [15:16:57] | wagnerrp: | i mean theyre just crapass realtek cards |
| [15:17:07] | wagnerrp: | so now you have four times the crap! |
| [15:17:18] | mkrufky: | anyway, i am very happy with it all.... you can ignore the bad reviews theyy gave it on newegg --- it all just rocks |
| [15:17:34] | mkrufky: | the ethernet seems to work fine |
| [15:17:36] | iamlindoro: | Everyone's a critic |
| [15:17:50] | mkrufky: | sometimes i have to manually run dhclient after bbootup ... dunno why that is yet |
| [15:18:00] | iamlindoro: | It would actually physically kill most linux users to praise equipment |
| [15:18:17] | mkrufky: | so far my only 2 gripes with the motherboard: |
| [15:18:19] | iamlindoro: | the exception being some random piece of server hardware they want to flaunt owning |
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| [15:18:38] | mkrufky: | gripe #1, PCIe x1 slot if blocked by cooling pipe, so the only card that fits is a HVR1250 |
| [15:18:47] | wagnerrp: | i like the review complaining about IDE dvd drives |
| [15:19:01] | mkrufky: | (not so bad, since thats what I wanted to put there anyway, but would have been nice to squeeze in another dual-tuner HVR2250) |
| [15:19:08] | wagnerrp: | if youre buying a board such as this, what are you still doing with IDE drives |
| [15:19:25] | mkrufky: | and the other complaint --- seems like that PCIe x8 slot is dedicated for graphics |
| [15:19:37] | mkrufky: | so, thats one wasted PCIe x8 slot for me |
| [15:19:57] | Solaris444: | mkrfky do NOT get a P45 chipset. It is not properly supported in the latest kernel. |
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| [15:20:07] | Solaris444: | Try to get something with a P35 chipset instead. |
| [15:20:10] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: how is that? |
| [15:20:21] | Solaris444: | A number of devices don't work. |
| [15:20:22] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: its sitting here running awesome |
| [15:20:29] | Solaris444: | :/ |
| [15:20:32] | Solaris444: | It shouldn't be. |
| [15:20:34] | wagnerrp: | how would an x8 port be dedicated towards graphics? |
| [15:20:49] | Solaris444: | Guess you got lucky then. |
| [15:20:52] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: which devices wont work? i;ll test them more |
| [15:21:03] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: its meant for ati crossfire |
| [15:21:24] | mkrufky: | (even though im using a NVidia SLI 9800 GT board) |
| [15:21:24] | Solaris444: | you shouldn't be able to detect the graphics card on your system correctly, or the sound card. |
| [15:21:31] | wagnerrp: | mkrufky: its not meant for anything |
| [15:21:47] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: ok, luckily im having no issues in that area |
| [15:21:48] | Solaris444: | the pci-e slot doesn't correctly pass information to the system for graphics card detection. |
| [15:21:50] | wagnerrp: | crossfire does not need or want any special hardware on the motherboard side |
| [15:22:06] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: thats good to hear..... |
| [15:22:14] | wagnerrp: | and this motherboard will not run SLI |
| [15:22:20] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: however, the PCIe x8 slot does not detect my tv tuner boards |
| [15:22:28] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: the mb does not run SLI — correct |
| [15:23:00] | wagnerrp: | thats odd, ive used tuner cards in x8 slots before |
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| [15:23:43] | andycaz: | I updated my drivers for nvidia but i still get horizontal tearing when there is some movement |
| [15:23:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a raid card in an x8 slot on my server, a tuner card in an x8 slot on my backend, and i had tried it on the x8 slot on my P35 desktop |
| [15:24:50] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: i think that THIS x8 slot wants a graphics board :-/ .... just like the x16 slot in my dell |
| [15:24:58] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: I wonder if there's any BIOS tweaking you can do to get that PCIe slot working properly |
| [15:25:14] | mkrufky: | andycaz: which rendering engine are you using? |
| [15:25:25] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro good point... i didnt mess in bios yet |
| [15:25:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the whole purpose of PCIe was that it is a universal bus |
| [15:25:41] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine Intel would go and screw that up |
| [15:25:51] | mkrufky: | i hope im wrong |
| [15:26:09] | mkrufky: | i plan to use that x8 slot in the future for some sata raid expansion |
| [15:26:19] | wagnerrp: | i like how the battery is stashed under the heatpipes |
| [15:26:28] | mkrufky: | although i'll probably only need a x1 or x4 for that |
| [15:27:10] | Solaris444: | mkrufky: once 2 pci-express x8 slots are filled, the board deactivates all others. |
| [15:27:32] | mkrufky: | ?!? |
| [15:27:38] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: what for, youve still got another 4x bandwidth |
| [15:27:41] | mkrufky: | my board does?!?!? |
| [15:27:46] | Solaris444: | so lets say you put the graphics card into a pci-e x16 slot. |
| [15:28:01] | Solaris444: | and then a raid card into the other x16 slot (which is actually only electrically 8x but whatever) |
| [15:28:20] | Solaris444: | It doesn't matter. Once those two slots are filled, all gigabyte motherboards deactivate all other pci-e slots. |
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| [15:28:42] | mkrufky: | ooooooooooooooh i hope thats not true |
| [15:28:43] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
| [15:29:17] | mkrufky: | i want to put a frackin x1 card in the x8 slot and it doesnt pick up |
| [15:29:31] | andycaz: | mkrufky: what is a rendering engine? Sorry for such a foolish question |
| [15:29:47] | mkrufky: | andycaz: standard + Xvideo, etc |
| [15:29:52] | mkrufky: | XvMC |
| [15:29:54] | Solaris444: | It is is mkrufky |
| [15:29:56] | mkrufky: | libmpeg2 |
| [15:30:02] | Solaris444: | I discovered the same thing about 3 months ago. |
| [15:30:13] | Solaris444: | You would need a fully PCI-E 2.0 compliant board to solve that problem. |
| [15:30:30] | wagnerrp: | the P45s are now adding TPM? |
| [15:30:42] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: ok... i am going to thank you for telling me, and im going to force myself to forget about it instantly — i dont want to think about it, itlll just stress me out, lol |
| [15:31:07] | mkrufky: | ill get pissed off about that in a few months when i actually need another card in there |
| [15:31:11] | wagnerrp: | does that board have a cmos reset? i dont see one in the picture anywhere |
| [15:31:20] | andycaz: | mkrufky: Umm, no idea actually then – where can i see my rendering engine? |
| [15:31:22] | mkrufky: | it has 2 cmos reset methods |
| [15:31:22] | Solaris444: | wagerrp: gigabyte is including a separate tpm chip on their very high end motherboards. |
| [15:31:39] | andycaz: | mkrufky: i would guess xorg.conf? |
| [15:31:48] | mkrufky: | andycaz: inside mythfrontend, under setup for tv playback |
| [15:32:22] | wagnerrp: | ah, it looks like theres a button of sorts under the PCI slot |
| [15:32:38] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: you know this from experience.... right? has gigabyte made any public recognition of the issue / feature? |
| [15:32:45] | wagnerrp: | the last gigabyte board i had (nforce2) didnt even have a jumper, i had to pull the battery |
| [15:33:00] | andycaz: | mkrufky: Wow, thanks i hadnt touched it before |
| [15:33:06] | andycaz: | My current profile is cpu+ |
| [15:33:18] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: it has a jumper, and it also has a button |
| [15:33:39] | mkrufky: | andycaz: i cant walk you through this part — you need to make some educated guesses based on your system setup |
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| [15:34:03] | mkrufky: | andycaz: if you;'re using nvidia graphics, then try CPU++ ... the defaults should be good for u there, i think |
| [15:34:30] | mkrufky: | andycaz: you may have to go back and forth between that setup screen and test playback |
| [15:35:06] | mkrufky: | and also, andycaz ..... you should test a stream of every type.... ie: 1080i, 720p, mpeg2, h264 ... whatever stuff you record.... and make sure it all plays back smooth |
| [15:35:37] | ** mkrufky just drank too much coffee in too short a time ** | |
| [15:36:36] | andycaz: | mkrufky: thanks, ill test different settings then |
| [15:36:38] | mkrufky: | oh, and btw....... contrary to populat belief.... i am running compiz and mythfrontend with no problems |
| [15:36:42] | mkrufky: | populaR |
| [15:38:05] | andycaz: | hmm ive lost sound in my frontend |
| [15:38:29] | andycaz: | i think its trying to use onboard lineout jack, im using a audigy soundcard tho |
| [15:38:34] | andycaz: | im getting sound with mplayer |
| [15:40:47] | andycaz: | hmm i can get sound with stream plugin but not with frontend player |
| [15:42:51] | wagnerrp: | mkrufky, Solaris444: looking at the manual for that board, the two x16 slots run off the P45 chip, the other PCIe slots are run by the ICH10R |
| [15:43:24] | wagnerrp: | theres no logical reason why having both x16 slots filled would shut off the other slots when theyre electronically separate |
| [15:43:34] | mkrufky: | ah, thats good to hear! |
| [15:43:39] | mkrufky: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [15:43:53] | mkrufky: | so... still strange that the x8 slot wouldnt detect my cx23885 card |
| [15:44:06] | mkrufky: | but the x1 and x4 slots detect it just fine |
| [15:44:49] | andycaz: | mkrufky: thanks, i got it smooth with "high quality" preset |
| [15:44:55] | andycaz: | But now i have no sound, what is going on? |
| [15:44:56] | mkrufky: | nice :-D |
| [15:45:01] | wagnerrp: | perhaps when you insert the second card, it defaults to x8/x8 mode |
| [15:45:17] | wagnerrp: | and since the tuner cant run x8, the board says 'tilt', and shuts it down |
| [15:45:23] | mkrufky: | i am politely ignoring your sound question, andycaz, in hopes that somebody else knows ;-) |
| [15:45:56] | mkrufky: | boo |
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| [15:46:32] | mkrufky: | seems to be a likely explanation, wagnerrp |
| [15:46:35] | andycaz: | For a very weird reason mythtv wants to use onboard sound card instead audigy, when i plug my speaker to onboard i can hear live tv |
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| [15:50:34] | troldrik: | Where are video mode overrides stored, I want to delete one and I don't seem be able to do it from the GUI. |
| [15:50:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont see any bios options to control the PCIe slots |
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| [15:56:51] | Solaris444: | wagnerrp: I understand what you're saying. Nevertheless, the board will shut off the other slots. |
| [15:57:08] | mkrufky: | why? |
| [15:57:23] | Solaris444: | Because it is part of the PCI-E 1.0 spec. |
| [15:57:29] | high-rez: | Any of you hav experience tuning displays ? |
| [15:57:47] | high-rez: | What should be more of a grey backgroun sometimes has a purpleish look to it. |
| [15:58:33] | high-rez: | and an old man's face which should be more skin like has to much red (i'm judging against my macbook pro which I think has excellent color recreation) |
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| [16:00:41] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: the x16 and x8 slots are PCIe 2.0 |
| [16:00:54] | mkrufky: | Solaris444: and the two x4 and 1 x1 slots are PCIe 1.0 |
| [16:01:32] | iamlindoro_: | high-rez, You can just haphazardly modify hue settings, but you might also check out something called "Digital Video Essentials" which is a disk that guides you through tweaking all the settings for best performance/visual quality |
| [16:02:55] | mkrufky: | ugh, i need a 1TB drive for scratch space... |
| [16:03:05] | mkrufky: | i need it for about an hour, lol |
| [16:03:10] | wagnerrp: | thats an assload of scratch spae |
| [16:03:17] | ** iamlindoro_ hands mkrufky a spare ** | |
| [16:03:19] | mkrufky: | grr, i just ordered 2 but i wont have it for a few days |
| [16:03:46] | mkrufky: | yeah, i need to temporarily store all the recordings from the LVM on my old server ..... |
| [16:03:54] | mkrufky: | it was 2 400 GB drives |
| [16:04:30] | mkrufky: | i want to start importing all my old database entries for the old recordings, but without that scratch disk im crippled |
| [16:04:37] | mkrufky: | this job will have to wait till mid-week |
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| [16:04:55] | wagnerrp: | i need to get off my ass and write a robots.txt |
| [16:05:04] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: will do. I was also thinking of some of those web-page based image tuning. I've sort f got it more natural. This thing was def setup to sell at a store. |
| [16:05:32] | high-rez: | One thing I noticed is that on a man's suite (a black suite) his collar isn't clearlr defined. |
| [16:06:05] | wagnerrp: | something had been consuming about 10kb/s since yesterday afternoon, turns out its googlebot trolling text files on some old section of my website |
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| [16:14:08] | andycaz: | Every time i launch live tv my master sound level goes to 20%. Why does it do that |
| [16:22:44] | andycaz: | Someone must know why its doing this... :S |
| [16:24:06] | mkrufky: | andycaz: there's a setting in the mythfrontend setup for that somewhere i think |
| [16:24:09] | mkrufky: | in playback |
| [16:26:01] | andycaz: | mkrufky: couldnt find anything for that in playback |
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| [16:28:41] | andycaz: | found it, it was in general setup, ill try playing around with it and see if i can make it stay at 100% |
| [16:28:49] | mkrufky: | andycaz: mythtvfrontend: setup: general |
| [16:28:51] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [16:29:04] | mkrufky: | heh, ok then |
| [16:31:36] | andycaz: | hmm, theres also option to run mythfilldatabase automatically, i dont know what the start and end options should be, the description is too long and i cant see whole text |
| [16:32:17] | mkrufky: | gwgm funny im dealing with that problem now, too |
| [16:32:25] | mkrufky: | the font size is always too large by default :-/ |
| [16:32:44] | mkrufky: | there is an option somewhere to make it smaller... im looking for the right option |
| [16:32:44] | ol_schoola: | +1 |
| [16:33:01] | ol_schoola: | i've tried em all in the past and never could solve it |
| [16:34:56] | mkrufky: | ol_schoola: and andycaz: i decrease each, small medium and large font sizes in frontend / setup / appearance |
| [16:35:08] | mkrufky: | that makes the font size small enough to head the online help text |
| [16:36:05] | ol_schoola: | kick ass. thought i'd tried it in the past. might have been when i was still 27" 4:3 tv |
| [16:36:23] | mkrufky: | yeah i had it not work in the past, too ... but it works now |
| [16:36:30] | mkrufky: | maybe an old bug got fixed |
| [16:36:42] | mkrufky: | a VERY old bug.... cuz this worked for me also last year :-) |
| [16:37:02] | ol_schoola: | great news. thought it hadn't been fixed because the default looks like the original prob |
| [16:37:36] | ol_schoola: | my BE is bare metal at the moment, will try later when it's back up |
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| [16:38:22] | mkrufky: | eeek! all my test recordings this weekend are standard def! |
| [16:38:39] | mkrufky: | freakin weekend programming not using HD ...silly networks |
| [16:39:10] | andycaz: | you have hd channels? |
| [16:39:18] | mkrufky: | yes, i live in new york |
| [16:39:39] | andycaz: | Damn, i only have 1 and its only for testing purposes |
| [16:39:43] | mkrufky: | lol, i just skipped thru an episode of CSI miami..... each time they show that lead detective guy he's doing that neck rollover move.... |
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| [16:39:56] | ol_schoola: | welcome to the ATSC?QAM revolution. so the providers can squeeze you yet even more without you even knowing it |
| [16:40:08] | ol_schoola: | one word: bitrate |
| [16:40:08] | mkrufky: | where do u live, andycaz ? |
| [16:40:13] | andycaz: | mkrufky: Estonia |
| [16:40:29] | mkrufky: | i dont even know where that is :-P |
| [16:40:40] | andycaz: | Europe, near sweden and finland |
| [16:40:45] | mkrufky: | ol_schoola: i have beautiful HD during prime time television |
| [16:40:52] | ol_schoola: | true, true |
| [16:41:20] | ol_schoola: | OTA is awesome when it's shot correctly and aired "correctly" |
| [16:41:44] | andycaz: | If only my isp wouldnt encrypt its iptv channels i could enjoy hd def too.. i have over 60 channels thru iptv |
| [16:41:45] | ol_schoola: | but when a provider cranks down the bitrate to accomodate subchannels |
| [16:41:49] | ol_schoola: | grrrr |
| [16:41:58] | andycaz: | on air i have only about 10 channels |
| [16:42:10] | ol_schoola: | twelve or thirteen here |
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| [16:42:26] | andycaz: | really? And you live in US? |
| [16:42:34] | ol_schoola: | plus a few ind community stations |
| [16:42:43] | ol_schoola: | Chcago metro area |
| [16:42:52] | mkrufky: | i have 14 or so in the air, about the same in the clear on cable |
| [16:43:09] | ol_schoola: | if i thre up a direction YAGI, i could pull Milwaukee and/or Rockford |
| [16:43:19] | andycaz: | well atleast my iptv has a lot more then, hehe |
| [16:43:20] | ol_schoola: | threw |
| [16:43:41] | ol_schoola: | IP is the way to go but as long as they don't screw with the bitrate |
| [16:43:55] | ol_schoola: | shouldn't have to, they have boucous bandwidth at hand |
| [16:44:06] | andycaz: | I have 1200kb/s dedicated to iptv |
| [16:44:20] | wagnerrp: | kbps, or KBps? |
| [16:44:32] | andycaz: | 1.2mb and 12mbps |
| [16:45:16] | ol_schoola: | hrrm |
| [16:45:19] | wagnerrp: | 1.2mb != 12mbps in any sense of the units |
| [16:46:00] | wagnerrp: | 1.2MB/s is ~9.5mbps |
| [16:46:19] | wagnerrp: | 12mbps is 1.5MB/s |
| [16:48:09] | wagnerrp: | 12mbps is a bit low for mpeg2, but its very reasonable for h.264 |
| [16:48:22] | wagnerrp: | but 1.2mbps is painfully low for anything more than SD |
| [16:50:21] | andycaz: | not 1.2mbps |
| [16:50:28] | andycaz: | 12mbps |
| [16:50:52] | ol_schoola: | well, an OTA 6MHz channel carries 19.39 megabits of data per second |
| [16:51:12] | ol_schoola: | that can be sliced as diced as the provider sees fit |
| [16:52:25] | ol_schoola: | our major PBS station, WTTW, has an all HD all day major with three, count em, three minors |
| [16:53:07] | ol_schoola: | that is to say, the major is HD 24/7 but it is crippled by an exceedinglow bitrate |
| [16:53:24] | mkrufky: | is there a more detailed log that mythtranscode might write to, other than mythbackend.log? im trying to troubleshoot transcoding failures |
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| [16:53:27] | wagnerrp: | ours has 1080i, with 5 SD subchannels |
| [16:53:41] | ol_schoola: | exactly |
| [16:53:58] | AndyCap: | Isn't digital lovely. :) |
| [16:53:59] | andycaz: | I have 5 HD streams on my iptv and rest are SD with reasonable quality |
| [16:54:03] | wagnerrp: | but theres generally very little motion in those any of those channels, so they can *usually* get away with very high compression |
| [16:54:10] | andycaz: | Too bad they are all crypted, else i could use the iptv plugin for mythtv |
| [16:54:10] | ol_schoola: | now Fox on the other hand blasts a full bitrate 720P (i think, may have changed) |
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| [16:54:35] | ol_schoola: | HD content on our Fox affil ROCKS |
| [16:54:58] | wagnerrp: | nearly everyone seems to be using 720p over 1080i |
| [16:55:37] | ol_schoola: | mostly because the magillions of flat panels in use right now are 720P-ish native |
| [16:55:57] | andycaz: | and because progressive is way better than interlaced |
| [16:56:20] | ol_schoola: | less work for your internal scaler — if you have a truly native panel |
| [16:56:30] | andycaz: | I play my xbox360 on 720p, 1080i looks awful with its tearing |
| [16:57:30] | wagnerrp: | any work is full work |
| [16:57:37] | wagnerrp: | theres no more or less work to be done by a scaler |
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| [16:57:56] | wagnerrp: | and all TVs scale because even with digital sets, we still use overscan |
| [16:58:00] | wagnerrp: | go figure that one out |
| [16:58:27] | laga: | you can disable that on some sets |
| [16:58:40] | wagnerrp: | on more expensive sets, yes |
| [16:58:50] | wagnerrp: | of course the channels are still broadcast assuming overscan |
| [16:59:42] | ol_schoola: | the real problem is that ATSC specs were set by a working group which consisted of the entire cabal |
| [17:00:45] | ol_schoola: | there are so many unnecessary flavors simply to allow the providers more flexibility in transmission quality |
| [17:01:11] | ol_schoola: | in the end it was viewed from a perspective of eyeballs/adverts |
| [17:02:10] | ol_schoola: | why oh why couldn't they have set solid specs for OTA and let the cable/sat providers sell their own flavors |
| [17:02:47] | wagnerrp: | satellite and cable do have their own standards independent of ATSC |
| [17:03:12] | wagnerrp: | the main fault i see is that there was made no room for advancement |
| [17:03:50] | wagnerrp: | now that ATSC is in place, were stuck using a codec developed in the 80s, until they decide to completely trash the entire broadcast system |
| [17:04:04] | ol_schoola: | thats why the 1080P standard is going to rule for a long time |
| [17:04:19] | wagnerrp: | but they dont even support 1080p |
| [17:04:37] | wagnerrp: | im not sure if i would want to see 1080p mpeg2, with only 19mbps of bandwidth |
| [17:04:40] | ol_schoola: | true, but the point remains |
| [17:04:51] | mkrufky: | they should have required h.264 compatability when they extended the deadline to feb '09 |
| [17:05:15] | mkrufky: | so that all STB's in the states would be h.264 ready , regardless of whether we'll use h.264 or not |
| [17:05:17] | ol_schoola: | we have 1080P appliances now. They dictate what sells, not OTA. |
| [17:05:20] | wagnerrp: | the ATSC standard was made in the 90s, with sets coming out back then |
| [17:05:35] | mkrufky: | so that a few years down the line, we could switch everything to h.264 without pissing everybody off |
| [17:05:39] | wagnerrp: | you would have screwed early adopters (like cable companies want to do now with analog outputs) |
| [17:05:46] | ol_schoola: | I think they'll milk the BR/PS3/etc market for a long time |
| [17:05:47] | mkrufky: | but instead, we decided to frack everybody over |
| [17:06:02] | wagnerrp: | they should have stuck the decoder in a card |
| [17:06:19] | wagnerrp: | if in the future, they update the codec, you swap out the card for a nominal fee |
| [17:06:21] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: sure, you want more cablecard failures? |
| [17:06:21] | ol_schoola: | early adopters like everyone with an ATSC set right now |
| [17:06:40] | ol_schoola: | oh, yeah, the Sim card aproach |
| [17:06:53] | ol_schoola: | it was nixed out the gate by the producers |
| [17:06:59] | mkrufky: | fee?? wtf... im talking about the stb's from the cable companies and the tv's used for ota |
| [17:07:00] | ol_schoola: | hollywood, et al |
| [17:07:13] | mkrufky: | the cable companies own the stb's, so we're not going to pay any fee |
| [17:07:42] | mkrufky: | but now, instead..... one day they'll change it over and all americans will have to buy new tv's and new stb's all over again |
| [17:07:45] | ol_schoola: | not even swap, they flash those in box all the time |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont see why cable companies arent switching over to mpeg4/1080p |
| [17:08:11] | mkrufky: | but they wont do that until the rest of the world is using yet another brand new technology that blows all this away |
| [17:08:13] | ol_schoola: | but that was definately a much better way to go |
| [17:08:15] | andycaz: | whats the difference between atsc and ntsc anyway? |
| [17:08:25] | wagnerrp: | ntsc is analog, atsc is digital |
| [17:08:40] | andycaz: | weird, in europe we have just pal, and thats it |
| [17:08:52] | mkrufky: | you have DVB-T in europe, for digital |
| [17:08:54] | ol_schoola: | ntsc is infinitely more difficult/expensive to operate with |
| [17:08:55] | laga: | i live in europe and i have 1080i ;) |
| [17:09:13] | andycaz: | dont you have dvb-t in US? |
| [17:09:24] | mkrufky: | we have atsc in the us, instead of dvb-t |
| [17:09:25] | ol_schoola: | we have ATSC over the air bcasts |
| [17:09:32] | ol_schoola: | capable of 1080i |
| [17:09:37] | andycaz: | oh... i see... |
| [17:09:46] | wagnerrp: | just like PAL vs. NTSC |
| [17:09:50] | ol_schoola: | but it is all frakked up |
| [17:09:56] | mkrufky: | miles vs kilometers |
| [17:10:00] | wagnerrp: | although i do believe we have dvb-s |
| [17:10:02] | mkrufky: | gallons vs liters |
| [17:10:07] | ol_schoola: | you have solid, set standards |
| [17:10:12] | mkrufky: | we JUST have to be different |
| [17:10:20] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont actually know what the free satellite broadcasts are |
| [17:10:27] | andycaz: | heh, yup – those things always confuse me |
| [17:10:33] | ol_schoola: | we have a smorgasborg of them for the providers to pick from |
| [17:10:42] | ol_schoola: | allowing them flexibility in advertising dollars |
| [17:10:53] | mkrufky: | imagine how we feel, andycaz .... and we KNOW out unit systems are stupid |
| [17:10:57] | mkrufky: | ouR |
| [17:12:10] | andycaz: | mkrufky: So you cannot use dvb-t tuner card sold in europe? I thought they were standard, without the regional stuff... |
| [17:12:38] | mkrufky: | dvb-t will only tune dvb-t |
| [17:12:42] | wagnerrp: | you can use a dvb-t card anywhere that dvb-t is used |
| [17:12:43] | mkrufky: | dvb-c will only tune dvb-c |
| [17:12:47] | wagnerrp: | dvb-t is not used in the US |
| [17:12:49] | mkrufky: | dvb-s will only tune dvb-s |
| [17:12:53] | wagnerrp: | or anywhere in north america |
| [17:13:01] | mkrufky: | and atsc will always tune atsc, and some also tune qam |
| [17:13:56] | mkrufky: | ok... my transcodes are failing because: |
| [17:13:57] | mkrufky: | 2008-08–24 12:59:11.451 No video information found! |
| [17:13:59] | mkrufky: | wtf?? |
| [17:14:07] | mkrufky: | there is def video present in the recording |
| [17:14:22] | andycaz: | thats really weird, why would you use different standard? I understand that the regional concept would work on console games and dvd's, as they are set to be released on different times, but why TV? |
| [17:14:41] | mkrufky: | andycaz: because we JUST have to be different |
| [17:14:53] | mkrufky: | a sad side-effect of capitolism |
| [17:14:54] | ol_schoola: | from the WP entry: |
| [17:14:56] | ol_schoola: | Many aspects of ATSC are patented, including elements of the MPEG video coding, the AC-3 audio coding, and the 8VSB modulation. |
| [17:15:07] | mkrufky: | capitalism, i mean |
| [17:15:34] | ol_schoola: | that merans the patent holders get to license the heebus out of each manufacturer and eventually, the user |
| [17:15:48] | mkrufky: | exactly. |
| [17:15:57] | ol_schoola: | capitalism at it's finest |
| [17:16:22] | andycaz: | ahh, i see |
| [17:16:23] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, the mpeg2 patents run out in a handful of years, while h.264 patents (for dvb-t/c/s) have a good long run ahead of them |
| [17:16:29] | mkrufky: | somebody told me that DVB-T was an option back when they were making these decisions, but that they decided against it because there was no way to lock down licensing |
| [17:16:32] | mkrufky: | lol |
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| [17:17:13] | ol_schoola: | <g> yeah ... that cow had no milk |
| [17:18:24] | ol_schoola: | years agop i worked in the <cough> industry. was next door to Cable Labs |
| [17:18:46] | ol_schoola: | we'd discuss this adnauseum over lunch |
| [17:19:23] | mkrufky: | no idea why these transcodes are failing..... im using autodetect |
| [17:19:54] | laga: | mkrufky: lossless transcoding? that transcoder is a often a bit.. grumpy |
| [17:20:09] | ol_schoola: | never transcoded before can't be of much help |
| [17:20:38] | mkrufky: | laga: i was running an older version and it was stable, very rarely would fail |
| [17:20:54] | mkrufky: | laga: this is a new installation on my new hardware, seems to always fail lossless transcode |
| [17:21:20] | mkrufky: | lossless transcode is among my favorite things to do to my recordings |
| [17:21:34] | mkrufky: | ol_schoola: to remove commercials |
| [17:22:09] | ol_schoola: | gotchya. i haven't been archiving. will try it out when get this rebuilt |
| [17:22:40] | ol_schoola: | boot drive just finished a low level |
| [17:22:57] | ol_schoola: | QUICK POLL: distro of choice amongst you guys |
| [17:23:20] | wagnerrp: | gentoo |
| [17:23:21] | ol_schoola: | i kinda want to try something new (been on Fedora) |
| [17:23:49] | ol_schoola: | wagnerrp: you had to recommend the one i've never tried out |
| [17:24:14] | andycaz: | anyone of you know a program to monitor incoming dvb-t signal? i think there was dvb-spoof or something like that but cant find it |
| [17:24:19] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im a fan of freebsd, and gentoo seems to be relatively close to it (as far as linux is concerned) |
| [17:24:33] | ol_schoola: | laga?mkrufky ? |
| [17:24:41] | laga: | (ku|myth)buntu |
| [17:24:54] | ol_schoola: | why so? |
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| [17:25:50] | ol_schoola: | i'm getting pretty good with debian because of the N800 and Kurobox |
| [17:26:25] | laga: | well, it usually works and i'm one of the mythbuntu devs, soo.. ;) |
| [17:26:26] | wagnerrp: | ITOS is debian based? |
| [17:26:40] | ol_schoola: | that's why i gave mythbuntu a quick try last month. had many issues trying to put a second NIC in with dhcpd |
| [17:26:57] | ol_schoola: | wagnerrp: Hilton GUI on top of debian |
| [17:27:06] | AndyCap: | Hildon |
| [17:27:08] | ol_schoola: | Hildon |
| [17:27:33] | mkrufky: | ol_schoola: I use and love many different distros... each have their strengths and weaknesses. if i had to pick one, it would be Ubuntu |
| [17:27:45] | mkrufky: | (in practice) |
| [17:27:47] | ** ol_schoola rings the bell ** | |
| [17:28:00] | mkrufky: | but.... i think i actually like gentoo more, but i use ubuntu more anyway |
| [17:28:01] | ol_schoola: | we have a winner. kubuntu it is |
| [17:28:53] | ol_schoola: | my hosting co started in 91 on SparcServers, moved to FreeBSD for a long time and finally cranked up gentoo on all the shell machines |
| [17:28:58] | AndyCap: | Only thing I don't get is the number of people switching distros because they can't figure out some minor problem. Somehow under the illusion that the new distro won't have any |
| [17:29:27] | mkrufky: | i dont switch distros for that reason |
| [17:29:42] | mkrufky: | i switch distros because they actually do "feel" different to me |
| [17:29:52] | mkrufky: | and sometimes i have a preference for how i want it to feel |
| [17:30:04] | ol_schoola: | Heh, I've been running myth on Fedora since oh, when it got it name. myth 0.15 or 6 i think |
| [17:30:04] | mkrufky: | i will tend to install multiple OS's on a dev box for that reason |
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| [17:30:31] | ol_schoola: | i see. i'm not a dev but i see the reasoning |
| [17:30:37] | wagnerrp: | what exactly is the difference between red hat and fedora? |
| [17:30:39] | mkrufky: | but not on a production machine ;-) i usually have 2 os's on production machines, boot-time switchable while using common data |
| [17:31:01] | mkrufky: | redhat is a company, fedora is a product |
| [17:31:02] | ol_schoola: | Fedora is what they Officially named the public branch of RH |
| [17:31:16] | mkrufky: | RHEL (red hat enterprise linux) is also a product |
| [17:31:23] | mkrufky: | fedora is the testbed for RHEL |
| [17:31:25] | wagnerrp: | so red hat doesnt really exist anymore? just RHEL? |
| [17:31:31] | ol_schoola: | fedora is a community moreso than product |
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| [17:31:36] | mkrufky: | red hat is a company! |
| [17:31:47] | wagnerrp: | ok, red hat linux |
| [17:31:58] | ol_schoola: | RH is a company, they promote development with the Fedora branch and cherry pick the good stuff |
| [17:31:59] | wagnerrp: | got renamed to fedora |
| [17:32:03] | ol_schoola: | as they should |
| [17:32:42] | iamlindoro_: | The human head weighs eight pounds |
| [17:33:04] | ol_schoola: | no, Red Hat has the commercial products, Fedora is the OSS offering |
| [17:33:21] | wagnerrp: | there used to be Red Hat Linux |
| [17:33:26] | wagnerrp: | that no longer exists |
| [17:33:27] | ol_schoola: | and still is |
| [17:33:29] | mkrufky: | u think mythbackend would get pissed off if it discovered a storage group on an nfs mount? |
| [17:33:40] | wagnerrp: | and is now split into Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and Fedora |
| [17:33:45] | iamlindoro_: | RHL as a product bisected into RHEL and Fedora, yes. |
| [17:33:48] | mkrufky: | a READ ONLY storage group, that is, lol |
| [17:34:19] | ol_schoola: | might wanna change that fstab line |
| [17:34:39] | mkrufky: | no, i purposefully want it read only ..... until i get my TB drives |
| [17:34:56] | ol_schoola: | oh, i'll be needing to do the same thing here shortly |
| [17:35:03] | mkrufky: | but i also want to importm into the db now, cuz i wont have time for that during the week |
| [17:35:33] | mkrufky: | thats why im thinking of just mounting these in the old machine and sharing over NFS so that i can play back those recordings on the new myth network |
| [17:35:52] | ol_schoola: | clever |
| [17:36:00] | mkrufky: | yeah, i just hope it will work |
| [17:36:18] | wagnerrp: | just set up a backend on the old machine with no tuners |
| [17:36:35] | ol_schoola: | mijne are just sitting in a jail on the same TB drive i plan to use, so no NFS |
| [17:36:37] | mkrufky: | lol, i only have 300 GB available on this machine, which makes me feel like its not yet suitable for september |
| [17:36:46] | ol_schoola: | ....unless i go get another drive today |
| [17:37:09] | ol_schoola: | nah, the other machine doesn't need a TB |
| [17:37:11] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: i cant do that.... the boot drive on the old machine failed and i cannot boot into the old mythtv setup |
| [17:37:22] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: i took out that drive and i can still get to the partitions |
| [17:37:39] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: so i am booting the old machine into fedora live, which knows how to mount all the LVM volumes |
| [17:37:43] | wagnerrp: | so how are you going to run an nfs server on the old machine? |
| [17:37:47] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [17:38:01] | mkrufky: | as soon as I get the new TB drives, i'll move those files over and then re-purpose all of the old hardware |
| [17:38:23] | ol_schoola: | the silicon cycle-o-life |
| [17:38:27] | mkrufky: | but in the meanwhile, i can mount & share it all while running fedora live |
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| [17:38:42] | wagnerrp: | you can set up multiple storage groups on a single backend cant you? |
| [17:38:49] | ol_schoola: | yep |
| [17:38:50] | mkrufky: | yes, you can |
| [17:38:55] | wagnerrp: | just have all the schedules only record to one of the groups |
| [17:39:19] | ** ol_schoola scurries off to ubuntu-land ** | |
| [17:39:39] | mkrufky: | yes, thats what i plan to do |
| [17:40:14] | mkrufky: | but i also have a minimum disk free setting, and the drives on the old machine are maxed out...... so, by default it wont try to record on them anyway |
| [17:40:51] | mkrufky: | ....and im sure i wont fill 300 GB while waiting for the new drives to arrive |
| [17:42:40] | iamlindoro_: | You could always find a decent local deal on a 1 TB, use it between now and then, and just end up with MOAR |
| [17:43:02] | mkrufky: | nah, i bought 2 on newegg and im sure they'll be here by wed or thurs the latest |
| [17:43:08] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR! |
| [17:43:14] | mkrufky: | i dont want a 3rd yet — thats just not frugal |
| [17:43:39] | mkrufky: | im sure they'll come down more in price by the time i fillup the first 2 TB |
| [17:43:40] | wagnerrp: | ive got 6 750s and im about out of space |
| [17:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | This isn't a frugal sport |
| [17:43:49] | ol_schoola: | i stuck one in the BE and the other into a Kurobox N |
| [17:43:53] | ol_schoola: | NAS |
| [17:43:56] | wagnerrp: | how long do you have before you expect to exceed your 10? |
| [17:43:59] | mkrufky: | 2 new TB drives should hold me for till december, i hope ...... |
| [17:44:19] | mkrufky: | (that includes deletion by autoexpire of shows i dont care about) |
| [17:44:52] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: well, already i am using 2 sata's --- i raid 1'd by boot drive (750GB) |
| [17:45:03] | mkrufky: | i will move 2 more 750GB's into here |
| [17:45:08] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean iamlindoro_'s 10 TB |
| [17:45:16] | mkrufky: | from the old server (which i will eventually replace with 1 tb's) |
| [17:45:25] | mkrufky: | then i have 2x 1TB's in the mail |
| [17:45:32] | mkrufky: | gives me 4 sata's available |
| [17:45:34] | mkrufky: | oh, oops :-P |
| [17:45:59] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, ah, a very very very long time I hope :) |
| [17:46:17] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: i would never be able to say i have enough storage |
| [17:46:23] | mkrufky: | never! |
| [17:46:28] | iamlindoro_: | I don't transcode anything except to remove commercials, but I still hope/expect it to last a long while |
| [17:46:30] | ** ol_schoola blows the dust off his DuoDisk ** | |
| [17:46:36] | mkrufky: | but at least i can ALMOST have enough, all in one box |
| [17:46:39] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, enough != enough for *now* |
| [17:46:46] | mkrufky: | heh true |
| [17:47:16] | mkrufky: | even when i saturate the on board sata, i do have every intention of buying one of those PCIe x4 SATA boards |
| [17:47:36] | mkrufky: | with like, 8–12 more sata's on it |
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| [17:48:08] | wagnerrp: | what worthwhile 12x card do you expect to find that runs on 4x? |
| [17:48:11] | ol_schoola: | mmmm .... industrial cards, like RaidCORE. who bought them? |
| [17:48:26] | wagnerrp: | actually, i dont know of any 12x x4 cards |
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| [17:48:39] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: i dunno... i didnt do the research ... i found 8 SATA on PCIe x4 boards |
| [17:48:44] | ol_schoola: | Ciprico, they may have one |
| [17:48:52] | mkrufky: | thats enough for me to know i have future expansion choices |
| [17:49:10] | mkrufky: | i just figured that maybe by then 12sata might be available, but doesnt matter now |
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| [17:50:17] | wagnerrp: | you can get a promise supertrac thats 8-port x4 |
| [17:50:22] | wagnerrp: | but anything larger requires x8 |
| [17:50:43] | mkrufky: | heh, and if i use that x8 slot my x4's and x1 will turn off, supposedly |
| [17:50:47] | ol_schoola: | promise != ciprico |
| [17:50:57] | ol_schoola: | depends on your usage and needs |
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| [17:51:41] | wagnerrp: | 3ware's 8-port is x4, their larger ones are x8 |
| [17:51:56] | mkrufky: | again... im not worried about it now........ but by the time that is DOES matter.... i wont need any special capabilities. i'll just run each disk without any raid for mythtv storage groups |
| [17:51:58] | wagnerrp: | arecas are all x8 (except for the dinky 2-port one) |
| [17:52:20] | mkrufky: | i learned the hard way that raid striping is a bad idea for mythtv recordings |
| [17:52:21] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to get anything more than 4-port that is not RAID |
| [17:52:40] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to use the RAID, but it will be a RAID card |
| [17:52:45] | mkrufky: | yeah, i know... id buy a raid board and just use it without the raid features |
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| [17:53:11] | ol_schoola: | buy an intelligent RAID card, like 3Ware/Areca/Ciprico |
| [17:53:20] | ol_schoola: | forget the cheapos from Promise |
| [17:53:55] | ol_schoola: | i was the StorageWorks guru back in the DEC days. managed RAID is a godsend |
| [17:53:56] | mkrufky: | i like the idea of raid 1 for the boot drive and and database and the other common network data / file server storage |
| [17:53:57] | wagnerrp: | well the latest promise cards use the same chip as the old arecas (Intel whatever RAID6) |
| [17:54:09] | ol_schoola: | mkrufky: unless you have been having performance issues |
| [17:54:43] | ol_schoola: | well, definately recommend 3Ware/Cipri |
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| [17:54:57] | ol_schoola: | i miss the Mylex cards of the nineties. |
| [17:54:57] | wagnerrp: | although i wouldnt trade my areca 12-port even though it is twice the cost as the promise cards |
| [17:55:58] | ol_schoola: | 16" cards with SIMM slots for cache |
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| [17:58:12] | wagnerrp: | i used to have a 16" adaptec, but it died after an attempted firmware upgrade |
| [17:58:26] | wagnerrp: | system would no longer post with it attached |
| [17:58:52] | ol_schoola: | we'd put aha2940's in all the workstations |
| [17:59:20] | ol_schoola: | flashing was always a concern, i recall one that didn't make it |
| [18:00:05] | ol_schoola: | our devs and engi's were thrilled tho |
| [18:01:23] | ol_schoola: | the needs have changed with the market tho. streaming video is pretty well known now and HD can keep pace |
| [18:01:58] | ol_schoola: | back then, you needed banks of SCSI in raid 5 to get the thruput |
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| [18:02:23] | Puhi: | hello |
| [18:02:37] | Puhi: | i'm having trouble with Xorg cpu usage on nvidia hardware |
| [18:02:49] | my2keh: | Puhi>> HD? |
| [18:02:58] | Puhi: | no just SD |
| [18:03:19] | Puhi: | video os SD but it's output to fullhd tv through hdmi |
| [18:03:25] | Puhi: | video is SD |
| [18:03:52] | ol_schoola: | are you trying to use an HD modeline? |
| [18:04:17] | Puhi: | well the screen has Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0; 1920x1080_50 +0+0" |
| [18:04:28] | Puhi: | but other than that i don't specify any modelines |
| [18:04:28] | andycaz: | how do you guys get your lirc remotes to work with mythtv? |
| [18:04:42] | my2keh: | Puhi>> any EE or WW in your log xorg log file? |
| [18:05:39] | Puhi: | (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) |
| [18:05:40] | Puhi: | (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:1:3) found |
| [18:05:42] | andycaz: | Mine is Hauppauge HVR-1110 remote, ive set up the lircd.conf and i can use the remote fine, ive tried setting up ~/.mythtv/lircrc with my remote but it doesnt recognize the buttons in "edit keys" |
| [18:06:18] | my2keh: | you using stock xorg.conf? |
| [18:06:37] | andycaz: | i used this lircrc example http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV/Hau . . . ythtv_lircrc |
| [18:06:38] | Puhi: | it's the one generated by nvidia driver |
| [18:06:56] | Puhi: | the symptoms are exactly as described in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaPr . . . gh_CPU_Usage |
| [18:07:00] | Puhi: | except the fix doesn't work :) |
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| [18:07:34] | my2keh: | yeah, that's typically for HD |
| [18:07:39] | my2keh: | hence my initial question :) |
| [18:08:46] | Puhi: | any ideas to cut down the cpu usage? |
| [18:09:18] | Puhi: | it's bogging the cpu so badly it drops av-sync every now and then |
| [18:09:35] | thatdood: | its the frontend taking up 100% cpu, or is it X taking up high cpu? |
| [18:09:45] | Puhi: | Xorg is taking the cpu |
| [18:09:55] | Puhi: | mythfrontend is second when viewing top |
| [18:09:58] | thatdood: | nvidia, correct? |
| [18:10:02] | Puhi: | yes |
| [18:10:16] | thatdood: | i think i ran into that before |
| [18:10:44] | thatdood: | go into nvidia settings... Xvideo, and... |
| [18:10:51] | thatdood: | sec, gotta pull it up |
| [18:11:00] | Puhi: | o |
| [18:11:01] | Puhi: | k |
| [18:12:06] | thatdood: | X Screen 0... X Server XVideo Settings... check the box for Synch to VBlank see if that helps |
| [18:12:46] | Puhi: | hmm.. it's checked |
| [18:12:49] | thatdood: | hmmm |
| [18:12:57] | thatdood: | what about under that? |
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| [18:13:19] | thatdood: | Synch to VBlank on display device... mine is unchecked there |
| [18:14:54] | thatdood: | OpenGL settings, Synch to VBlank is unchecked there. |
| [18:15:34] | thatdood: | It was a combination of those that fixed mine. 98% cpu dropped to 13% if i remember right. |
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| [18:16:59] | Puhi: | "sync to this display device" can not be unchecked :) |
| [18:17:07] | mkrufky: | exit |
| [18:17:09] | mkrufky: | oops |
| [18:17:09] | Puhi: | it seems to be a radio button with only one device and it's selected |
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| [18:21:00] | andycaz: | Why cant i map my lirc remote keys? Mythtv gives me: "pressed key not recognized" |
| [18:22:36] | justinh: | andycaz: hi again :) |
| [18:22:43] | andycaz: | justinh: hi |
| [18:22:48] | justinh: | andycaz: does irw report all your remote buttons working properly? |
| [18:23:32] | andycaz: | i couldnt run irw, gave me "connect: Connection refused" as output |
| [18:24:01] | justinh: | is lircd running? |
| [18:25:08] | andycaz: | i think it is, if i use "lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/irremote -n" syntax in first terminal and "irw" syntax on the other – i can test my remote and it shows up good |
| [18:25:40] | justinh: | ah |
| [18:26:13] | justinh: | what options do you have for the lirc daemon in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf etc ? |
| [18:27:00] | andycaz: | ill pastebin my hardware.conf |
| [18:27:46] | andycaz: | justinh: http://pastebin.com/d235c21be |
| [18:29:30] | andycaz: | Note – i used udev to link /dev/input/event* to /dev/input/irremote, so it would stay static. Before it kept changing from event5 to event6 etc.. |
| [18:32:14] | andycaz: | hmm, while i ran lircd -n in one terminal and tried irw on the other the first terminal gave this: "lircd-0.8.3pre1[6950]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc" and then it terminated |
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| [18:34:00] | justinh: | andycaz: maybe the lirc daemon is already running. if so, stop it ;) |
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| [18:34:40] | justinh: | hrm hardware.conf looks ok |
| [18:35:34] | justinh: | then again if running lircd from a console with the options you gave it WORKS.. and the daemon ran from init doesn't work – that'd seem to point at a config issue |
| [18:35:46] | Puhi: | no go with the xorg |
| [18:36:15] | Puhi: | i remember seeing these symptoms before but i can't remember the cause or the fix for it |
| [18:36:42] | andycaz: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1130 |
| [18:37:02] | andycaz: | this seems to be the problem, i used udev too to make it static |
| [18:38:43] | andycaz: | though i dont understand what am i supposed to do to fix it, eh... |
| [18:38:45] | justinh: | Puhi: ? |
| [18:38:57] | Puhi: | my Xorg consumes nearly all cpu |
| [18:39:13] | Puhi: | the Option "UseEvents" "True" does nothing |
| [18:39:26] | justinh: | using the binary driver for nvidia? |
| [18:39:30] | Puhi: | yes |
| [18:39:58] | justinh: | is xorg.conf pointing to 'nvidia' not 'nv' ? |
| [18:40:24] | Puhi: | Driver "nvidia" |
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| [18:40:47] | justinh: | dunno then sorry |
| [18:41:41] | Puhi: | its weird, it runs at near zero for few seconds then it bumps up to around 40% and after a while it still climbs on to around 98% |
| [18:42:04] | justinh: | andycaz: just want to check by the way.. is your grabber still ok? did you check the data you're getting is okay too? |
| [18:42:33] | andycaz: | justinh: yeah, i think so. I havent run mythfilldatabase after yesterday tho |
| [18:42:53] | ** justinh laughs uproariously at his wife doing yoga in the living room & the dog running around & around under the 'tunnel' ** | |
| [18:43:59] | andreax: | justinh: Its barking every round? Nice yoga! :) |
| [18:44:45] | andycaz: | justinh: So basically every time i launch irw, it kills lircd – running it second time it just tells me connection refused because lircd is down |
| [18:45:45] | justinh: | I should know what causes that. I've seen that before but I can't remember what causes it |
| [18:48:24] | justinh: | oh ffs I got my del key working on this keymap but now my pound key isn't worky |
| [18:49:30] | andycaz: | hmm |
| [18:50:13] | justinh: | ahh seems 'acerc300' works better than 'acer laptop' layout |
| [18:50:14] | andycaz: | When i use lircd -H dev/input -n it doesnt crash anymore, but it tries to find the device from /dev/input/event0 (it should be /dev/input/irremote) |
| [18:50:48] | justinh: | I'm not well up on lirc devices which end up as /dev/input |
| [18:51:08] | justinh: | all my experience is with serial port lirc ;) |
| [18:51:23] | andycaz: | I didnt have the tools to build myself one |
| [18:51:30] | andycaz: | So i just use the tv tuners ir receiver |
| [18:52:24] | justinh: | fairy nuff ;) |
| [18:53:34] | andycaz: | okay seems that pointing out -H dev/input doesnt make it crash, pointing out -d /dev/input/irremote points lircd to right device, irw now recognizes my inputs |
| [18:53:53] | andycaz: | Question is, how to make it work out of the box so it would work with just lircd syntax |
| [18:53:54] | andreax: | LIRCD_OPTS="-H devinput -d /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:0b.0--event-ir" I pass this options to conf.d/lircd while starting, getting the ir of one of my pci tuners.... |
| [18:56:30] | andycaz: | oh, for ubuntu the conf.d would be "/etc/ld.so.conf.d"? |
| [18:57:03] | andycaz: | you made that file yourself right? |
| [18:58:17] | andreax: | It comes with the gentoo ebuild... I've no idea how the ubuntu mechanism will work... You should first try getting to work from within the console as justinh wrote... |
| [18:58:52] | andreax: | and avoid become a daemon with -n |
| [18:59:07] | andycaz: | it did work with the syntax i wrote before |
| [18:59:23] | andreax: | So its really confusing if you try to start more instances of lircd... |
| [18:59:30] | andycaz: | I used "lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/irremote -n" |
| [18:59:36] | andreax: | Ah... And not via startscript? |
| [18:59:41] | andycaz: | nope |
| [18:59:49] | andycaz: | every time i ran irw it killed lircd |
| [19:00:07] | andreax: | humm... Im not familiar with ubuntu... :( |
| [19:00:39] | andreax: | isn't there any lircd-file or /etc/conf.d/ directory? |
| [19:00:46] | andycaz: | nope |
| [19:01:16] | andreax: | There should be a file for passing options to the statscript itself.... |
| [19:01:29] | andreax: | start |
| [19:01:29] | andycaz: | ah, maybe in /etc/init.d/lirc |
| [19:01:50] | andreax: | No, that's the startscript I would say... |
| [19:02:18] | andycaz: | yeah :( |
| [19:02:31] | andreax: | but maybe the options are inside this file too, I've no idea... no ubuntu guru here? |
| [19:05:58] | andreax: | As far I can see there is a file called hardware.conf in /etc/lircd/ There is a line called LIRCD_ARGS="" I think it's the right place to put in the right options... |
| [19:06:15] | andreax: | oh, in /etc/lirc/ |
| [19:08:55] | andycaz: | oh, right, ill try it out |
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| [19:13:26] | andycaz: | andreax: yup, it worked |
| [19:13:35] | andreax: | Clap, clap... :) |
| [19:13:44] | andycaz: | now that i know irw works, should it work with myth too? |
| [19:13:47] | andycaz: | ill find out.. |
| [19:14:20] | andreax: | Maybe with false keybindings but mainly it should work, yes |
| [19:14:34] | andycaz: | ooh, cool, it does work! |
| [19:16:05] | andreax: | mythtv is even more fun with a rc... |
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| [19:45:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I wouldn't say you're "as bad as most ./ readers" for not reading past the summary--you probably realized you knew more about it than the author of the article. I'm the one who was dumb enough to waste time reading the article. |
| [19:46:31] | andycaz: | cant find in mythtv wiki – what does "position save" do? |
| [19:47:24] | andreax1: | Remembers a position of a recording so you can go on there if you watch again... |
| [19:47:59] | andreax1: | Its nice for remembering a position changing the frontend to bedtime-frontend and go on there in bed... :) |
| [19:49:11] | andycaz: | I see, thats a handy function then :) |
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| [19:58:50] | Egghead2: | running mythbuntu, trying to setup a diskless client/server, following these instructions, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless, anyone here that has done this? |
| [19:59:04] | Puhi: | it seems my Xorg is taking 6–9% of cpu even when the screen is idle |
| [19:59:14] | Puhi: | mythfrontend is visible and sitting on main meny |
| [19:59:29] | Puhi: | nothing is moving and i'm viewing top via ssh |
| [19:59:49] | Puhi: | how come? i don't understand at all |
| [20:00:45] | weevilofdoom: | that would be something to ask the xorg people?? |
| [20:01:13] | Puhi: | yes of course |
| [20:01:35] | Puhi: | somehow it think the answer to all this might be very simple but i'm just not seeing it |
| [20:01:57] | Puhi: | xorg trying to access some file or socket and failing at that and trying again |
| [20:02:02] | Puhi: | dunno really |
| [20:02:30] | weevilofdoom: | perhaps it will say in the Xorg logs? |
| [20:02:35] | weevilofdoom: | lsof ? |
| [20:02:46] | Puhi: | nothing really in xorg log |
| [20:03:04] | Puhi: | strace gives a lot of stuff but i don't know if any of it is really relevant |
| [20:03:05] | weevilofdoom: | screensaver daemon? |
| [20:03:18] | Puhi: | well that would be a different process i think |
| [20:03:29] | Puhi: | but it's the xorg main process thats using the cycles |
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| [20:04:08] | weevilofdoom: | nooo idea |
| [20:06:08] | weevilofdoom: | soory |
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| [20:10:04] | justinh: | hmmm drawing 3d gears is tricky |
| [20:10:53] | weevilofdoom: | drawing stick figures is tricky for me :P |
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| [20:17:49] | justinh: | lol |
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| [20:56:20] | my2keh: | anyone know how to interpret the output of 'femon'? |
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| [20:56:51] | my2keh: | status 1f | signal 4e00 | snr 0d00 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [20:56:57] | my2keh: | like that... |
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| [21:05:06] | ajh_: | So pulling one dvb-s card that's not switching correctly out of the machine made a world of difference. |
| [21:05:26] | my2keh: | ajh>> what problem were you having? |
| [21:05:40] | ajh_: | all kinds, mostly failed tuning, and blank files. |
| [21:06:09] | ajh_: | the debug info to sort this out is non-existent though, it's almost entirely physical debugging which sucked. |
| [21:06:27] | my2keh: | i hear ya |
| [21:06:37] | my2keh: | i'm having glitching type issues (audio/video) |
| [21:07:59] | my2keh: | i've went down to 1 DVB card |
| [21:08:07] | my2keh: | and noticed I don't have many, if any conflicts |
| [21:08:18] | my2keh: | although there isn't necessarily a lot playing right now |
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| [21:36:10] | iamlindoro_: | No need to use the server version, regular ubuntu will work fine for mdadm |
| [21:36:11] | Zelda1: | hello everyone. |
| [21:36:32] | Zelda1: | ok and you suggest using software raid? |
| [21:36:43] | Zelda1: | My MOBO doesnt have onboard controller |
| [21:36:53] | Zelda1: | so thats the only way to do it |
| [21:36:55] | iamlindoro_: | *I* personally think that software raid is the best solution in 90% of RAID |
| [21:37:08] | GreyFoxx: | PErsonally I wouldn't bnother with hardware raid except for real business/enterprise applications |
| [21:37:09] | Zelda1: | well then, killer! |
| [21:37:11] | iamlindoro_: | and that 10% is only for people with money to pour into expensive equipment |
| [21:37:11] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I agree |
| [21:37:28] | GreyFoxx: | even in most business applications I perfer software raid |
| [21:37:38] | GreyFoxx: | I don't like being tied to hardware vendors |
| [21:37:47] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ Like tha man says |
| [21:37:54] | Zelda1: | hehe. |
| [21:37:57] | mkrufky: | im trying to import my db entries from my old db now, and im getting this error... im googling still but not finding anything useful. " ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 1: Duplicate entry '78' for key 1 " |
| [21:38:09] | GreyFoxx: | and I had major drive failure, and with 1 kernel line change was still able to mount the raid and extract the data |
| [21:38:15] | GreyFoxx: | IU would have been screwed with hardware raid |
| [21:39:26] | Zelda1: | would it be ok to run all the info i want across all the drives instead of having raid1? or is that a waste of space |
| [21:39:27] | Zelda1: | ? |
| [21:39:32] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, sphery seems to know the import/export stuff best around here, but is there any chance you have recordings already on the new system? |
| [21:39:48] | mkrufky: | i do have recordings on the new system |
| [21:39:51] | mkrufky: | is that a problem? |
| [21:40:06] | mkrufky: | if its a problem, i CAN wipe them.... but id rather not |
| [21:40:07] | iamlindoro_: | Zelda1, if you are uncomfortable with one drive parity you could use RAID6 instead, and have double drive parity |
| [21:40:21] | Zelda1: | but loose 2 drives. |
| [21:40:29] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, I don't think it's a problem per se, it's just that you may need to renumber the keys so that they slot in at the end |
| [21:40:34] | iamlindoro_: | Zelda1, yep |
| [21:40:39] | iamlindoro_: | well, not "lose" |
| [21:40:47] | iamlindoro_: | but devote them to disaster protection, yeah |
| [21:40:48] | Zelda1: | yeah but you know what Im saying. |
| [21:40:49] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: which keys? |
| [21:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | it's all up to you |
| [21:41:16] | mkrufky: | i am importing hundreds of recordings.... about 3 TB worth from my old system |
| [21:41:40] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, I really am not sure without looking, but I'm about 90% certain that's the issue at hand--- dump the relevant tables from the new system and compare side by side. Then edit the new ones in at the end of your import files, clear the tables, and import them all together |
| [21:41:56] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [21:42:07] | Zelda1: | I was even thinking about patitioning 1 hdd up and running sw raid 1 |
| [21:42:08] | mkrufky: | and if it fails, i already have a backup |
| [21:42:48] | Zelda1: | like get a 40gb ide drive and split it in 2, and then mirror it |
| [21:43:32] | Zelda1: | or is that pointless, if youre running raid 5.. |
| [21:43:56] | iamlindoro_: | Well, you're not (generally) going to mirror your raid 5 |
| [21:44:06] | iamlindoro_: | you either want a mirror, or a spanned array with some redundancy |
| [21:44:08] | Zelda1: | yeah I know that. |
| [21:44:21] | iamlindoro_: | so figure out what you want/need, and pick which raid accordingly |
| [21:44:42] | Zelda1: | Im asking if im going to run a raid 5, is it retarted to have a seperate raid 1, on other hdd for os? |
| [21:44:51] | iamlindoro_: | if you are not looking to create gigantic spanned space, then mirroring might be fine. If you are, then you need to look at one of the non-raid 1 options |
| [21:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | No, that's not retarded |
| [21:45:13] | iamlindoro_: | mirroring the OS and RAIDing the storage space is a fair option |
| [21:45:21] | Zelda1: | or just throw all the info across the raid 5 |
| [21:45:23] | iamlindoro_: | er RAID5'ing the storage space |
| [21:45:31] | iamlindoro_: | I wouldn't put it all on 5, personally |
| [21:45:48] | iamlindoro_: | in fact, I wouldn't even raid my recording partition-- but MythVideo stuff, yes |
| [21:45:48] | Zelda1: | thats what i thought. I just wanted to run it by someone else. |
| [21:46:13] | iamlindoro_: | I would Mirror the OS, use Myth's storage vgroups for recordings, and RAID 5/6 my videos in MythVideo |
| [21:46:18] | iamlindoro_: | and, in fact... I do just that |
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| [21:48:05] | Zelda1: | yeah that makes sense. Since you obviously want your mythvideo to be the biggest array |
| [21:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | and you don't want to put wear on all of your drives every time you record a TV show |
| [21:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | ergo the use of storage groups instead of RAID there |
| [21:49:48] | Zelda1: | does ubuntu support hot swapping? |
| [21:50:00] | iamlindoro_: | If your hardware does |
| [21:50:09] | Zelda1: | oh cool. |
| [21:50:47] | Zelda1: | does myth run on freeBSD? |
| [21:51:17] | Zelda1: | or is it strictly linux? |
| [21:51:20] | iamlindoro_: | Erm... It's been *made* to compile on one of the BSDs, maybe as recently as 8 or 9 months ago, but it doesn't routinely do so, no |
| [21:51:38] | Zelda1: | food for thought.. |
| [21:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | It compiles on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows |
| [21:51:41] | Zelda1: | ;P |
| [21:51:53] | iamlindoro_: | Doubtful anyone cares to maintain that |
| [21:52:12] | Zelda1: | yeah out of curiousity |
| [21:52:19] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, if someone steps forward, writes a build script, submits patches, and commits to keeping it working, then what the hey, but outside of that, doubtful |
| [21:52:31] | weevilofdoom: | booo |
| [21:52:43] | Zelda1: | yeah. |
| [21:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | in the words of justinh, opinions without patches get cat'ed to /dev/null |
| [21:53:27] | iamlindoro_: | and rightly so |
| [21:53:33] | Zelda1: | heh the trashcan.. |
| [21:53:51] | Zelda1: | the developers trashcan. |
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| [21:55:34] | Zelda1: | are rpms easy to learn? |
| [21:55:59] | iamlindoro_: | probably as easy as any other package manager, but you won't be using them in Ubuntu |
| [21:56:06] | Zelda1: | yeah I know |
| [21:56:09] | Zelda1: | debs. |
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| [21:56:58] | Anusien: | Is there another way besides killing and restarting mythbackend to get MythVideo recognize there are new videos and to serve them? |
| [21:57:07] | iamlindoro_: | My personal feel is that debian package creation is slightly easie |
| [21:57:32] | iamlindoro_: | Anusien, wait for the next scan? |
| [21:57:39] | iamlindoro_: | which comes every so often |
| [21:58:55] | Zelda1: | now the hvr1600 only has 1 digital and 1 analog tuner correct? |
| [21:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | Correct |
| [21:59:18] | iamlindoro_: | every so often = 30 minutes, btw |
| [21:59:28] | Anusien: | ah, cool |
| [21:59:42] | Anusien: | Is there a way to force a scan? |
| [21:59:45] | Zelda1: | damn, that means I have to snag 2 |
| [21:59:50] | Anusien: | The way MythMusic can through the GUI |
| [22:00:15] | iamlindoro_: | Not that I know of |
| [22:00:53] | weevilofdoom: | i thought the hvr1800 had 2 ? |
| [22:01:04] | weevilofdoom: | maybe is also just 1 dig and 1 analog .. |
| [22:01:08] | Zelda1: | one of each |
| [22:01:11] | Zelda1: | yeah |
| [22:01:21] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, it also is just one of each |
| [22:01:36] | iamlindoro_: | HVR 1600 and 1600 are more or less functionally identical, but one is PCI and one PCIe |
| [22:01:43] | iamlindoro_: | er 1600 and 1800 |
| [22:02:04] | iamlindoro_: | There's also the matter of the 1600 working properly in myth and the 1800 still waiting for someone to add a new card type for it |
| [22:02:31] | Zelda1: | is there a card that has one and one thats PCI? |
| [22:02:42] | iamlindoro_: | oen and one what? |
| [22:02:48] | Zelda1: | 1600 |
| [22:02:57] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said, the HVR-1600 is one digital, one analog, and PCI |
| [22:03:00] | Zelda1: | like the 1600MCE and the normal 1600 |
| [22:03:11] | iamlindoro_: | The 1600 *is* PCI |
| [22:03:22] | Zelda1: | yeah I read that on there webpage. |
| [22:03:28] | Zelda1: | er their |
| [22:03:28] | iamlindoro_: | So what's the question? |
| [22:04:00] | Zelda1: | nothing... |
| [22:04:09] | Zelda1: | <--- looks like an idiot. |
| [22:04:20] | Zelda1: | I answered my own question. |
| [22:04:58] | Zelda1: | well I thank you for youre help. I'll be back soon, when I throw everything together for sure, for some help if you dont mind. |
| [22:05:09] | weevilofdoom: | know anything about mapping remote buttons iamlindoro? |
| [22:05:20] | iamlindoro_: | as long as you start with the Wiki/docs, proceed to google, and end up here, you'll likely get plenty of help |
| [22:05:47] | Zelda1: | yeah. I do that first. Im sure there are places Ill need help though |
| [22:06:08] | Zelda1: | thanks |
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| [22:06:12] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, many things, but I intentionally don't volunteer to help with LIRC as trying to help people with it generally makes me irritable |
| [22:06:23] | iamlindoro_: | well... more irritable |
| [22:06:31] | weevilofdoom: | well, my remote works, first off :P |
| [22:06:33] | iamlindoro_: | s/irritable/homicidal/ |
| [22:06:47] | weevilofdoom: | if that makes it less painful |
| [22:06:54] | iamlindoro_: | doubtful |
| [22:06:57] | weevilofdoom: | haha |
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| [22:07:28] | mkrufky: | ok, i got all my old recordings imported, i suddenly dont care at all about the new recordings, i think im gonna wipe 'em |
| [22:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | if it works, then you change which keys are mapped to which button defs in ~/.mythtv/lircrc. Map whatever keys you want in there. Then print that page, go into mythcontrols, and map the controls to the Keyboard commands |
| [22:08:15] | iamlindoro_: | which is to say, you're probably tryiung to skip a step and go into mythcontrols and map remote buttons to functions-- it doesn't work that way |
| [22:08:36] | iamlindoro_: | buttons to keypresses in lircrc, keypresses to functions in mythcontrols |
| [22:08:54] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, you son of a... ;) |
| [22:09:06] | ** iamlindoro_ scratches mkrufky off his help-eligible list ** | |
| [22:09:07] | mkrufky: | ? |
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| [22:09:18] | iamlindoro_: | take my help and then make it moot, why don't ya |
| [22:09:21] | weevilofdoom: | so if i wanted to remap an "unused" key on my remote to "enter" of keyboard, i'd have to map that key on remote to 'enter' ? |
| [22:09:34] | iamlindoro_: | in lircrc, yes |
| [22:09:36] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: well, fine... i will import the new ones too |
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| [22:09:46] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, only teasing ys |
| [22:09:47] | iamlindoro_: | ya |
| [22:09:48] | mkrufky: | how do i do it? i have to edit the "keys" ?? |
| [22:09:53] | weevilofdoom: | ok! i think that's all i needed, should be able to figure out the rest |
| [22:09:56] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: if its easy, then ill do it |
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| [22:10:30] | CaptObviousman: | greetings, earthlings |
| [22:10:33] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, I would guess there is a serialized master row in both, and as long as you clump them together, renumber them, and import, it ought to work fine |
| [22:10:43] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, anyway, I was only playing with you, you can do as you wish :) |
| [22:10:51] | mkrufky: | of course i can :-P |
| [22:10:58] | mkrufky: | but i would rather keep the recordings if i can |
| [22:11:01] | weevilofdoom: | the ~/.mythtv/lircrc overrides the /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ? as in anything added to ~/.mythtv ... will be appended ? |
| [22:11:08] | weevilofdoom: | or it loads one or the other? |
| [22:11:15] | iamlindoro_: | lircd.conf and lircrc are totally different |
| [22:11:20] | weevilofdoom: | ooo |
| [22:11:22] | mkrufky: | but if its painful editing of those mysql insert statements, then i might just forget it |
| [22:11:38] | mkrufky: | its just 1 days worth of test recordings |
| [22:12:41] | iamlindoro_: | lircd.conf defines buttons on the remote and hex codes received (eg, OK = 0x00dfdsafas34 or whatever) . Buttons on the remote are mapped to keyboard keys in lircrc, eg mapping the "OK" key from lircd.conf to the keypress "enter"). Keypresses are mapped to functionality in mythcontrols (Enter key = play my filthy porno) |
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| [22:13:55] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, I think it's less painful than you might imagine, but the alternative is cp out the new recordings, drop the table, import all the old ones, and use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to reimport the few new ones |
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| [22:15:15] | tony_: | can someone tell me why every time i install mythtv i get "no upnp backends found" or something and then "couldn't login" etc? |
| [22:16:03] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: it sounds easy but i dont know how to do it all... if i saw a howto that explained it that would help.... otherwise if somebody explained step by step...... . but its not worth it to me enough to trouble somebody else to explain it all |
| [22:16:18] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: thank you, though |
| [22:16:23] | weevilofdoom: | so I can do something like this: being prog = mythtv button = RESERVED config = Return end ? |
| [22:16:30] | weevilofdoom: | hmmms |
| [22:16:57] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, assuming you have a button called RESERVED defined in lircd.conf, then yes, that would map the button RESERVED to the keypress return |
| [22:17:26] | iamlindoro_: | Although I use Enter, I know that works, but I would expect Return ought to as well |
| [22:17:32] | CaptObviousman: | hmm, when constructing a raid5 array, how large is too large on the chunk size? |
| [22:17:47] | weevilofdoom: | RESERVED 0x000000000000101E |
| [22:17:52] | weevilofdoom: | that is button definition, ya? |
| [22:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | CaptObviousman, Depends the disk speed-- for 7200RPM the suggestion I always hear is 256k |
| [22:18:04] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, yes |
| [22:18:06] | weevilofdoom: | ok :) |
| [22:18:20] | CaptObviousman: | yeah, they're 7200 rpm sata 3.0 |
| [22:18:50] | forrestv: | CaptObviousman, sata _3_ ? |
| [22:19:05] | forrestv: | oops, that was stupid. |
| [22:19:24] | CaptObviousman: | sata ii, which is 3.0 gb/s |
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| [22:26:15] | tony_: | why all the problems with mythtv? the time i spent googling i could've bought vista ultimate over again and had two pvr's |
| [22:27:10] | iamlindoro_: | Works for me and always has... guess the problem is between the seat and the keyboard |
| [22:27:30] | weevilofdoom: | -cool, that worked, thanks dude |
| [22:27:33] | iamlindoro_: | which is a semi mean way of saying that just because you don't have the context for it to be easy doesn't mean it can't be |
| [22:27:58] | weevilofdoom: | (per the remote buttons) |
| [22:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, no problem |
| [22:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | weevilofdoom, this is why LIRC can be frustrating-- once you understand the concepts, they're dead easy-- but then people start asking you and you go, "why can't you GET this??" |
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| [22:31:50] | andycaz: | is it possible to watch dvb-t stream and analog stream separately? so that i could record dvb-t channel while watching analog? |
| [22:32:00] | andycaz: | i guess not, but i just wanted to be 100% sure |
| [22:33:47] | iamlindoro_: | if you mean on a one single-tuner board, then no. |
| [22:34:05] | iamlindoro_: | if you mean on two seperate boards, sure, knock yourself out |
| [22:34:07] | andycaz: | thats what i meant, and thanks for answer |
| [22:34:29] | iamlindoro_: | no problem |
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| [22:37:44] | andycaz: | umm, one more question, ive chosen to use on air guide for one channel because there is no xmltv for it, but i dont receive anything? vlc manages to show me the onairguide |
| [22:38:02] | andycaz: | although vlc crashes alot with "segmentation fault" error |
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| [22:39:58] | iamlindoro_: | How long are you waiting before you expect to see guide info? |
| [22:40:17] | iamlindoro_: | (as EIT is only pulled periodically in the background, it can be many hours) |
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| [22:41:32] | andycaz: | umm... 5 seconds? heh.. I thought it updated it as soon as i used mythfilldatabse |
| [22:42:16] | iamlindoro_: | nope, EIT and mythfilldatabase has nothing to do with one another |
| [22:42:21] | iamlindoro_: | er have |
| [22:42:39] | iamlindoro_: | it'll pull EIT eventually, you need to wait more like 12 *hours* |
| [22:42:41] | andycaz: | cant i manually make it update? |
| [22:42:50] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [22:43:18] | andycaz: | Why is that? a technical limitation or there isnt just a function for it |
| [22:43:22] | iamlindoro_: | go to bed and see where you're at in the morning |
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| [22:43:47] | iamlindoro_: | I love #mythtv-users |
| [22:44:07] | iamlindoro_: | It's not enough to answer questions, you have to justify every design decision/technical limitation/line of code, too |
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| [22:44:27] | andycaz: | im just curious |
| [22:44:59] | iamlindoro_: | look to VLC which segfaults when retrieving EIT and then think hard about it |
| [22:49:00] | andycaz: | it doesnt segfault when retrieving eit, it crashes because paff decoder is bad, atleast thats what im told |
| [22:49:04] | iamlindoro_: | It's sort of moot after the first time anyway as it will be doing so way in advance and you'll never need to manually do anything |
| [22:49:41] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, not my fault/problem/I'm bored with this. It's the way it works. If you no like, you can patch. |
| [22:50:15] | andycaz: | No i was just wondering... |
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| [23:01:07] | andycaz: | one more question, a quite stupid again – is it possible to change mythweb category listing legend? My guide is in estonian and "movie" is "film" so my guide is all gray. |
| [23:02:02] | iamlindoro_: | probably not without editing the PHP |
| [23:02:38] | andycaz: | if I'd know which file to edit :) |
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| [23:03:21] | andycaz: | could be javascript too |
| [23:03:41] | iamlindoro_: | skins/default/programming.css is probably a safe bet |
| [23:04:37] | iamlindoro_: | ie, .cat_movie { background-color: #809090 !important; } |
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| [23:04:57] | tony_: | anyone know a good program that works with the pvr 150? i'm too stupid for mythtv apparently |
| [23:05:21] | iamlindoro_: | If you are, then this isn't the channel to get suggestions for alternatives |
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| [23:05:36] | iamlindoro_: | you might think about mythbuntu, though, that takes most of the heavy thinking out of it |
| [23:06:43] | tony_: | all i need is tv, no recording ability or anything |
| [23:06:44] | andycaz: | iamlindoro thats css file, nothing to do there – i can change the colors but i cant make it detect movie as "film" |
| [23:08:06] | iamlindoro_: | andycaz, enter your mythweb dir, grep -ir "movie" * |
| [23:08:12] | iamlindoro_: | will narrow it down to a few files |
| [23:08:50] | iamlindoro_: | it's unlikely that that's actually a part of mythweb, though, I would guess it gets the category info from the backend itself |
| [23:09:46] | iamlindoro_: | the alternative is to do a search and replace of the term "film" in your xml before it gets to mythtv, so that it's changed to what myth expects |
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| [23:10:50] | andycaz: | I cant change xmltv feeds |
| [23:11:17] | iamlindoro_: | why in the world not? |
| [23:11:48] | iamlindoro_: | it all gets dumped into an XML file, which in turn needs to get read in by mythfilldatabase, you just do a little automated replace between the two steps |
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| [23:13:04] | andycaz: | that "little automated replace" would take me days to figure out |
| [23:13:36] | andycaz: | And i thought the grabber dealt with the xml feeds, no? Then mythfilldatabse reads cache files |
| [23:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | cat yourfile.xml |sed s/film/movie/ > yournewfile.xml |
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| [23:13:55] | iamlindoro_: | you mean new like that? |
| [23:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | er days like that |
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| [23:14:28] | andycaz: | what am i gonna do with the yournewfile.xml |
| [23:14:37] | andycaz: | I cant just fetch it to mythfilldatabase |
| [23:14:44] | iamlindoro_: | of course you can |
| [23:14:59] | andycaz: | i have to make it work with channels.xml – change the xmltvids and so on |
| [23:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | you are totally lost |
| [23:15:36] | iamlindoro_: | you need to read mythfilldatabase --help and understand how it works |
| [23:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you fix it any way you like, but my way would work fine and take seconds to implement |
| [23:15:56] | andycaz: | i did read it yesterday, 3 times |
| [23:16:17] | iamlindoro_: | then you should know full well that you can absolutely feel mythfilldatabase a file |
| [23:16:21] | iamlindoro_: | er feed |
| [23:16:21] | andycaz: | it just spitted a list of syntaxes i could use |
| [23:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | oh forget it |
| [23:16:33] | iamlindoro_: | good luck |
| [23:16:43] | andycaz: | what? mh... |
| [23:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | mythfilldatabase --file sourceid xmlfile |
| [23:17:19] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I 'fixed' the grabber last night |
| [23:18:10] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, anything I'm saying here totally inapplicable? Seems a simple sed of the term before mythfill eats it would do the trick |
| [23:18:42] | justinh: | maybe |
| [23:18:52] | justinh: | or maybe the grabber could be hacked again |
| [23:20:31] | justinh: | sub reformat_programmes ;) |
| [23:21:00] | justinh: | the default is for tv_grab_ee to run with the 'reformat' option – maybe that's what should really happen |
| [23:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like |
| [23:22:57] | justinh: | but – if ($ismovie && ! @categories) { push (@categories, [ 'Movie', 'en' ]); push (@categories, [ 'Filmid', 'et' ]); } |
| [23:23:40] | justinh: | then $_->{'category'} = \@categories if @categories; |
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| [23:23:51] | leachim_6: | what's the best card to use ? |
| [23:23:56] | leachim_6: | I only need one tuner and no remote control |
| [23:24:05] | justinh: | so maybe whatever that's doing is screwing stuff up somehow |
| [23:24:16] | justinh: | leachim_6: what's the best car to drive? |
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| [23:24:46] | andycaz: | justinh: the xml feeds have en cat description in them |
| [23:24:55] | justinh: | leachim_6: i.e. what do you want from a tuner card? digital / analogue / hardware encoding... QUE? |
| [23:25:06] | ** iamlindoro_ goes into deep left field for a Voltaire reference ** | |
| [23:25:17] | iamlindoro_: | Doctor Pangloss says I already use the best of all possible cards in the best of all possible worlds |
| [23:25:35] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candide |
| [23:25:56] | justinh: | andycaz: yes and the grabber reformats the category field. there are a bunch of different movie categories & the grabber splats them down to just one – that sort of thing |
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| [23:26:12] | justinh: | anyway FWIW I think it's enough that you have a working grabber at all for now ;) |
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| [23:26:33] | andycaz: | justinh: yeah, sure thing :) |
| [23:26:36] | iamlindoro_: | oh come on justinh, andycaz was just saying you're the official tv_grab_ee maintainer now |
| [23:26:37] | justinh: | and now it seems you want jam on your toast as well as butter :P |
| [23:27:49] | justinh: | has my parole not been approved again? Oh man, I keeps tellin yas I'm innocent. Innocent, I say! |
| [23:28:19] | andycaz: | its nothing important anyway, i was just figuring... It would be really nice to see just a simple setting in mythweb to change the category names. Im guessing other non english guides have the same phenomena |
| [23:29:14] | justinh: | andycaz: in the Uk we use 'film' instead of 'movie' – maybe you just need to tweak an Estonian translation for mythweb |
| [23:30:00] | ** iamlindoro_ orders a pizza from the nice Greek men around the corner ** | |
| [23:30:21] | justinh: | actually our films come up in grey too |
| [23:30:29] | justinh: | in mythweb |
| [23:30:32] | andycaz: | justinh: heh – see :) |
| [23:30:41] | justinh: | dunno what colour they should be & I don't care if I'm honest |
| [23:30:50] | andycaz: | I have one category working though, its sports :) |
| [23:31:06] | justinh: | andycaz: sounds like a job for... somebody else :P |
| [23:31:48] | iamlindoro_: | cat justinh >> /tv_grab_ee/AUTHORS |
| [23:31:49] | andycaz: | Who made mythweb anyway? Looks like a lot of job |
| [23:31:58] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc and xris |
| [23:33:22] | andycaz: | uhm, i meant work not job.. sorry. Those guys are great |
| [23:33:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you crack me up |
| [23:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, ;) |
| [23:36:52] | justinh: | oh, are the olympics over already? here was me thinking it was only years since they started |
| [23:38:10] | justinh: | anyway I'm going to bed now. need rest to do more battle with evil SVGs & xml files tomorrow |
| [23:38:42] | ** justinh hands andycaz a highlighter pen he can use to change the category colour himself ** | |
| [23:38:56] | justinh: | :P |
| [23:39:09] | andycaz: | Hmm im thinking maybe i could just change "my $stripgenres = 'animasari|..." to be english? |
| [23:39:15] | andycaz: | But i dont think so... |
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| [23:41:12] | my2keh: | well looks like my spdif was causing static |
| [23:41:33] | my2keh: | switch to mic jack output and no more audio static |
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| [23:44:53] | my2keh: | very wierd |
| [23:53:26] | ** iamlindoro_ punches AMC-HD in the face, passes a law that says you're not allowed to call all your material HD if it's all upscaled... badly. ** | |
| [23:55:14] | wagnerrp: | i was looking forward to recording Raiders of the Lost Ark in HD... only to find it was merely upscaled |
| [23:55:20] | wagnerrp: | i was angry |
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