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[00:44:33] abarber: hey guys
[00:44:54] abarber: i need to troubleshoot a problem i am having with live tv
[00:45:10] abarber: i get a black screen when i click "watch tv"
[00:46:07] Dagmar: You built your own binary?
[00:51:21] iamlindoro: check your logs
[00:51:26] iamlindoro: backend, primarily
[00:53:04] abarber: logs?
[00:53:11] styelz: is there a way to delete multiple recordings in the Delete Recordings screen, or anywhere else on the gui.. or do i just have to delete them 1 by 1 ?
[00:53:22] abarber: which logs?
[00:54:57] abarber: iamlindoro: which logs?
[00:55:02] Dagmar: <iamlindoro> backend, primarily
[00:55:15] abarber: okay
[00:55:26] abarber: i haven't worked with the logs before
[00:55:34] abarber: what directory would they be found in?
[00:55:35] Dagmar: Did you build your own binary?
[00:55:49] abarber: no
[00:56:02] Dagmar: What type of tuner card do you have?
[00:56:07] abarber: pvr-150
[00:56:22] Dagmar: So you've verified that the card and drivers are currently in a working state?
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[00:56:51] abarber: yes, i finally was able to confirm the card working with a test in mplayer after connecting the card to my STB
[00:57:02] abarber: which makes this all the more strange
[00:57:20] Dagmar: Okay, so look in (probably) /var/log/mythbackend.log or basically something in /var/log with "myth" in the name
[00:57:33] Dagmar: With a wee bit of luck the backend is carping about what's wrong.
[00:57:41] iamlindoro: It's not that strange, most people set up their cards as the wrong card type in mythtv-setup
[00:58:04] iamlindoro: most commonly, folks seem to set the PVR cards up as v4l cards insteadl of MPEG-2 Encoder Type cards
[00:58:08] Dagmar: There's a "zig when you should have zagged" problem with XvMV-OpenGL that generally results in a black screen, which is what I was asking about initially
[00:58:22] abarber: ohhhh
[00:58:37] abarber: i recall seeing it described in setup as v41
[00:58:40] Dagmar: Like, enabling XvMC-OpenGL tends to break it
[00:58:52] Dagmar: It's not a V4L card with respect to MythTV-setup
[00:58:57] abarber: ahhh
[00:59:01] Dagmar: There's a specific item for PVR-x50/500 cards
[00:59:09] abarber: you've given me hope =)
[00:59:15] iamlindoro: go back, edit your card, change the card type, and a shiny nickel says it works
[00:59:23] iamlindoro: or at least breaks in a new way
[00:59:23] Dagmar: One you change that bit in mythtv-setup and restart the backend it should probably work
[00:59:34] abarber: do i still need to check the log?
[00:59:40] abarber: and if so, what should i be looking for?
[01:00:08] iamlindoro: fix that first, then try, and if it's still broken you can check the log
[01:00:16] iamlindoro: because that will cause an issue like your for sure
[01:00:16] Dagmar: Don't bother checking the logs if you set it up as a v4l card.
[01:00:19] abarber: k
[01:01:04] abarber: is that card type edited in the backend or manually edited in a file somewhere?
[01:01:13] iamlindoro: no file editing in mythtv
[01:01:18] iamlindoro: mythtv-setup
[01:01:18] Dagmar: >.<
[01:01:24] Dagmar: It's in mythtv-setup you change that
[01:01:55] abarber: okay
[01:03:53] abarber: General question: Any reason the developers chose kde over gnome for this project??
[01:04:02] Dagmar: They didn't chose KDE.
[01:04:04] Dagmar: They chose Qt.
[01:04:15] Dagmar: ...something I strongly suspect ws because of the MySQL bindings
[01:05:38] abarber: Oops I thought I was in linuxmce channel for a sec
[01:06:53] abarber: Dagmar you are a pimp, I think your right about the zig i took
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[01:07:09] Dagmar: What, you built your binary with XvMC-OpenGL support enabled?
[01:07:17] Dagmar: I'm not talking about something you set in the configuration
[01:07:28] Dagmar: It's a compile-time effup people are prone to making
[01:07:41] Dagmar: That build option is disabled by default because it don't work.
[01:08:29] Dagmar: XvMC by itself can be used, and OpenGL support by itself can be used. The XvMC-OpenGL stuff I'm talking about uses one through the other, but doesn't work.
[01:08:33] abarber: I think I had a misconfiguration.. about the binaries ... I didn't compile from source I used the mythbuntu install
[01:08:36] Dagmar: They can both be used at the same time fine tho'.
[01:08:57] abarber: Channel frequency table: should this be us-cable for a sat stb?
[01:09:13] abarber: Or does it matter what I have set for CFT?
[01:10:18] Dagmar: You'll be using the s-video input so the freq-table shoudln't even matter
[01:10:35] Dagmar: i.e., don't bind your channel listings source to the tuner
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[01:11:46] abarber: Sorry im newb.. where is configuration made?
[01:12:03] Dagmar: By running mythtv-setup
[01:12:14] Dagmar: Like in the documentation for installing it on the main mythtv.org website
[01:12:32] abarber: I know but which part of the config binds the listing source to the tuner?
[01:12:52] Dagmar: The rather obvious page that immediately follows the one where you told it about your channel listings source
[01:13:17] Dagmar: Basically, you just run mythtv-setup and walk through each menu page, one at a time, excepting possibly the last one which most people won't need to do much with at all
[01:13:29] Dagmar: Do 'em in order and it's mostly self-explanatory
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[01:15:24] my2keh: bah "order"
[01:15:27] my2keh: "documentation"
[01:15:30] my2keh: stop, please haha
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[01:25:16] abarber: dagmar: currently i am getting "Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected..."
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[01:29:08] abarber: Wow ok I got it
[01:30:03] abarber: It is very choppy though .. and now its stuck
[01:30:44] abarber: Error encountered while playing video..
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[01:34:34] SirFunk_: hey, my mythtv crashes when i try to scan for channels in setup with: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.
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[01:56:17] my2keh: does anyone know what "exit status 255" means when trying to transcode?
[01:59:44] my2keh: it says that i need to ensure recording profiles are set for the transcoders
[02:00:02] my2keh: and there's 5 of thenm
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[02:11:19] RingtailedFox: hiya... i have a problem with mythtv 0.2.1.... it sys "no upnp backends found" and it says it cannot connect to databases...
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[02:14:43] roothorick: here's my plan for Myth. Three machines:
[02:15:03] LanUser: Hello – I just got my HDHomeRun today and setup was refreshingly easy but both watching live tv or recordings from one channel I can't hear people speaking
[02:15:12] roothorick: a) server. MySQL on 120GB RAID1, single 1TB drive storage.
[02:15:29] LanUser: I can hear the music and background tracks but not the spoken word from that channel through mythtv
[02:15:33] roothorick: b) frontend. 1Ghz PIII, 512MB RAM, 15GB hard drive
[02:15:41] my2keh: wtf do you need 120GB for mysql?
[02:15:49] LanUser: I played the recording from that channel with mplayer and the spoken word is there and works fine
[02:15:51] roothorick: c) backend. 1Ghz Athlon, 256MB RAM, 10GB hard drive
[02:16:03] roothorick: my2keh: said RAID1 also contains the OS and a bunch of other stuff.
[02:16:18] my2keh: i'd suggest a little more ram
[02:16:25] my2keh: on backend
[02:16:38] my2keh: oh ok, i thought you meant only for mysql
[02:16:41] roothorick: my2keh: any particular reason? It's not even going to be running X if I can help it
[02:16:53] roothorick: headless, managed by SSH, etc
[02:17:22] my2keh: if it won't double as a front end then...
[02:17:37] roothorick: one frontend, one backend, and MAYBE mythweb but I'm still debating that
[02:18:08] my2keh: how many tuners?
[02:18:19] roothorick: one NTSC/ATSC/QAM hybrid in the backend
[02:18:40] my2keh: any HD?
[02:18:44] roothorick: not atm.
[02:18:50] roothorick: when I do, I'll be upgrading the frontend.
[02:19:08] roothorick: the backend has straight 100mbps access via NFS to the 1TB drive in the server where recordings will be stored.
[02:19:19] roothorick: so, it shouldn't need any upgrades for HD.
[02:19:29] my2keh: no
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[02:22:09] roothorick: the frontend, however, will be hooking in over 802.11g
[02:22:21] Dagmar: You're going to have SO MUCH FUN with that
[02:22:27] roothorick: oh?
[02:22:44] Dagmar: It's WAY better than whipping yourself with barbed wire
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[02:23:10] roothorick: oh come now. What problems could I encounter using this for SD?
[02:23:29] Dagmar: Pacemakers, cordless phones, WIi's, PS3's, microwave ovens.
[02:23:42] Dagmar: ...other access points.
[02:23:45] roothorick: oh, you're such a cynic.
[02:23:59] Dagmar: No, I'm a guy that does a lot of work with wireless cards.
[02:24:03] roothorick: the last time I tried this, I had the Athlon box trying to do it all by itself.
[02:24:10] roothorick: the only thing that DID work was the wireless
[02:24:15] Dagmar: Check the base channel you select very carefully for outside interference.
[02:24:55] Dagmar: Wireless throughput is *far* from steady when there's other wireless devices around.
[02:24:56] roothorick: how exactly am I supposed to do that?
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[02:25:26] Dagmar: Pay attention to what it's doing. Look at the signal-to-noise ratio, i.e., know about wireless
[02:25:33] roothorick: ah.
[02:25:34] my2keh: awesome! You use mythtranscode, you first have to go through the profile screen and not change anything in any of the profiles
[02:25:37] my2keh: and voila, it'll work
[02:26:01] my2keh: that can't be righ
[02:26:01] my2keh: t
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[02:27:29] Dagmar: roothorick: On general principle you might want to start by changing your AP's default channel to 1 or 11.
[02:27:43] roothorick: I think it's on 2 or 3 right now
[02:27:46] roothorick: let me look
[02:27:54] Dagmar: Those two don't overlap with others, as well as are about as far away as you can get from most birdies (sources of interference)
[02:28:41] roothorick: if I have throughput problems, the wireless will be the first to come under scrutiny
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[02:43:39] LanUser: Any idea why I can't hear speach on a particular channel but can hear the background noise or soundtrack? Same thing for a recording from this channel played back in Myth but when played with MPlayer the speech is audible
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[02:47:08] roothorick: LanUser: digital channels?
[02:47:39] LanUser: Yes, only OTA ATSC channels
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[02:48:20] roothorick: I'm going to guess the channel is broadcasting Dolby 5.1 and Myth isn't mixing the center into left/right... check your audio settings
[02:48:59] LanUser: I've been through the audio settings a bunch, switched tons of stuff but nothing seems to help, I must be missing something
[02:49:01] Dagmar: Yeah that particular symptom is almost always downmixing being done wrong or not at all
[02:49:24] Dagmar: What's your current speaker setup? Just stereo?
[02:49:31] roothorick: LanUser: Myth thinks you have a 5.1 system hooked up, apparently.
[02:50:38] LanUser: I do have a 5.1 card/speakers – RealTek ALC885
[02:50:52] roothorick: LanUser: in Myth, is your center speaker producing any sound at all?
[02:50:59] Dagmar: OKay, so time to check the ALSA configuration
[02:51:09] LanUser: I found an upmix setting but nothing for downmix, is that somewhere else?
[02:51:14] Dagmar: RUn `speaker-test -c6 -twav -Dsurround5.1`
[02:51:26] roothorick: Dagmar: -Dsurround51
[02:51:26] Dagmar: MIGHT be -Dsurround51
[02:51:44] Dagmar: roothorick: I just type `!speak`
[02:52:07] Dagmar: <-- is lazy like thta
[02:52:54] LanUser: Dagmar: wow, that wasn't pretty --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1181267
[02:53:17] Dagmar: So do like we said... "surround51"
[02:53:21] LanUser: oh, sorry
[02:53:27] Dagmar: No problem.
[02:54:04] Dagmar: You should hear a woman's voice come from each speaker, in turn. The LFE is your sub-woofer and "mmmph-murple-mmmph" is all you'll get from it so no biggie
[02:54:30] Dagmar: If you hear the subwoofer say "LFE" nice and clear, yer speakers are crap. ;)
[02:56:09] LanUser: Dagmar: The sound test sounded great, all speakers worked, but still not in Myth
[02:56:31] Dagmar: So there's a page on the wiki about setting up sound, I'm pretty sure
[02:56:42] LanUser: ok, I'll dig into that thanks
[02:56:44] roothorick: related note. We have a Time Crisis 4 at work and there's a speaker test in the service menu. The LFE test sound is a really really really deep voice saying "SUB!"
[02:56:45] Dagmar: Things like "/dev/dsp means U R DOIN IT RONG" and so forth
[02:56:52] Dagmar: roothorick: LOL
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[02:59:47] roothorick: the F&F Drift tests are better. It just plays solid tones as loud as the amp will allow
[03:00:33] LanUser: aha! found it, it was mixer device, was set to /dev/mixer and then worked when I switched it to ALSA:default
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[04:07:03] korn788: hey whats up guys had a quick question before downloading mythtv
[04:07:19] fryfrog: the answer is 42
[04:07:41] korn788: lol its about a tv card i have
[04:07:54] roothorick: korn788: 42. Now go away.
[04:07:56] wagnerrp: apparently you should buy 41 more
[04:08:49] korn788: i have a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600 i just wanted to know if mythtv supports this card
[04:08:53] fryfrog: or ignore the sarcastic jerks in the channel and go ahead and ask your qustion :)
[04:08:58] fryfrog: bah, i type to slow!
[04:09:03] ** Maliuta waves his hand in korn788 ... This is not the channel you are looking for **
[04:09:04] wagnerrp: fine, just fine
[04:09:09] fryfrog: korn788: if it has linux support, it should generally work for myth
[04:09:30] fryfrog: and i think i've heard people in here discussing that specific card
[04:09:37] korn788: i read its does but its still beta
[04:09:43] wagnerrp: there were formally issues getting analog support running
[04:09:51] iamlindoro: formerly, that is
[04:09:54] wagnerrp: but AFAIK, its fully functional now
[04:09:58] Maliuta: wagnerrp: have you tried it with a latest kernel
[04:10:17] iamlindoro: It works fine both with the latest kernel and if you just download and compile v4l-dvb
[04:10:38] korn788: and does mythtv support digital channels
[04:10:41] iamlindoro: yes
[04:10:43] Maliuta: oh, and most distro kernels aren't new, so don't try "I'm running distroX versionY"
[04:11:11] fryfrog: how "new" does the kernel need to be? like 2.6.26 or ?
[04:11:47] iamlindoro: it doesn't have to be new at all, like I said, just get the v4l tip, compile, install, done
[04:12:00] fryfrog: ah
[04:12:14] fryfrog: but it is nice to just have a kernel that supports it, was wondering what version counted as "new"
[04:12:21] mzb_d800: fryfrog: no luck with mobo ... looks dead to me :(
[04:12:35] mzb_d800: have tried everything I can think of
[04:12:37] iamlindoro: 2.6.26 is more or less new
[04:12:47] fryfrog: mzb_d800: that sucks, i did insure it if you want to claim the insurance
[04:13:09] mzb_d800: hmm ... I guess you could claim damage during transport
[04:13:15] fryfrog: if you want to mail it back, i haven't done anything with the paypal funds yet
[04:13:36] fryfrog: want to goto pm and tell me about what you've tried?
[04:13:36] mzb_d800: err... insurance would be better, right?
[04:13:40] mzb_d800: ok
[04:13:53] fryfrog: yeah, considering the shipping is likely to be freakin $50 :p
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[05:39:05] n00b750: hi. for some reason my livetv recordings have started not to be deleted.. they are in the auto-expire list in the information centre... but the disk still fills up and mythbackend keeps spewing 'no space left on device'... until i delete the live-tv recording in the information centre manually
[05:39:21] n00b750: i'm using fixes release 17758 i believe
[05:39:42] n00b750: any ideas on how to fix the problem?
[05:44:48] n00b750: hmm the problem seems to be that this show is very long... and myth seems to store in in one large chunk..
[05:46:29] n00b750: according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ring_Buffer things were different before 0.19, storing things 'nicely' in a ring buffer
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[06:45:37] n00b750: i just cleaned up orphans and optimized db, will see if i keep getting the same error
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[07:41:07] justinh: morning gbee. think I might be ready to do some core theme checking in today
[07:41:58] gbee_: cool
[07:42:12] gbee_: morning btw
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[07:45:45] bunder: hello, i got a problem with my mythtv re-recording a double episode when they are aired as two seperate episodes... any ideas? :)
[07:46:12] bunder: i could delete the double episode, or the split episodes (after recording) but i don't like those solutions
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[07:46:32] justinh: bunder: which duplicate checking rule did you use?
[07:46:52] bunder: subtitle and description
[07:46:54] wagnerrp: well the problem is that all three videos are different
[07:47:35] justinh: I find that 'subtitle & description' often lets duplicates through – and that's because the description changes for the same show sometimes – even if it's shown later the same day
[07:47:48] bunder: oh, i don't have that problem justinh
[07:47:56] wagnerrp: you might want to try filtering for 'new episodes only'
[07:48:13] bunder: i don't think that would help
[07:48:29] wagnerrp: with luck, one of the sets is listed as a rerun, and thus not a new episode
[07:48:31] bunder: technically as far as myth is concerned, it would still be a new episode
[07:48:34] justinh: personally I don't mind the duplicates. they can always be deleted & it's less disappointing than missing something
[07:49:55] justinh: I think myself lucky I don't use MCE. a friend at work says it can record just one or 2 episodes or a show as duplicates, missing most or all of the new ones entirely. meh
[07:50:06] bunder: heh
[07:50:41] justinh: are the other showings on a different channel?
[07:50:43] bunder: it seems i have two shows that do this, family guy (blue harvest) and that terminator series (the season ender was a 2h,2pt episode)
[07:51:25] bunder: and now both of them are being aired as two seperate episodes
[07:51:27] justinh: are the descriptions the same? I think they have to be _exactly_ the same for the dup rule to work as expected
[07:51:52] bunder: no, and i think that's the problem
[07:52:03] bunder: either that, or because the episode id's aren't the same
[07:52:12] bunder: maybe both hehe
[07:52:19] justinh: well, time to pass the buck to the EPG provider ;)
[07:52:40] bunder: SD will just say that its the broadcasters fault for airing the two episodes as one
[07:52:50] justinh: until myth has some kind of heuristic ability to read the description :P
[07:53:48] bunder: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCPro . . . sodesForShow
[07:53:51] justinh: myth can only do its best with the data it gets I'm afraid
[07:54:14] bunder: see how #9 is 8+10 together
[07:55:32] justinh: I had a problem here where my wife's soaps were set to record whenever they're on. trouble was, the broadcaster changed the title of a new hour-long showing every tuesday so it has a different title every week. lost some points there until I made a custom record rule say like %showname%
[07:56:48] justinh: bunder: ahh. that's just weird IMHO
[07:56:56] bunder: not really
[07:57:05] bunder: but it does make myth weird out
[07:57:25] justinh: anyway from my own PoV I'd rather myth record too much than too little
[07:57:38] bunder: i had to go through and click 'do not record' on 5 airings of the episodes to block them
[07:57:39] justinh: HDD space is dirt cheap, etc
[07:58:00] justinh: well, you know it's easy to check what changing recording rules will do without breaking anything
[07:58:08] bunder: yeah, i need to buy more drives, i only got 15gb left on my /mnt/store
[07:58:10] justinh: 'preview schedule changes' ;)
[07:58:53] bunder: i wonder if i could set a custom schedule and say "not this episode, or this one"
[07:58:56] justinh: it'd help immensely if the EPG data descriptions were at least _consistent_
[07:59:15] bunder: actually, i've never had a problem with SD
[07:59:43] bunder: with the odd exception of the broadcaster not supplying episode info to zap2it
[07:59:54] justinh: I've heard they tend to vary between proper descriptions & the typical 'generic' description just like everybody else
[08:00:10] justinh: even different subtitle syntax sometimes
[08:00:12] bunder: ah, that happens every now and again, but i don't record generics
[08:00:29] bunder: or i try not to at least
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[08:01:08] bunder: i have to edit another show's schedule and add that, unless zap2it gets the episode info
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[08:01:21] justinh: I think as soon as somebody comes along & adds a new, more intelligent recording rule something'll only come along & break it anyway :P
[08:01:27] bunder: hehe
[08:02:23] justinh: in the UK with our EIT data there's a new 'series link' flag which is supposed to bind a whole series together. great, so long as the monkeys who enter the data get it right!
[08:02:45] directhex: do they?
[08:03:07] justinh: directhex: they generally do AFAIK. there are bound to be exceptions though
[08:03:22] directhex: does myth store & use the flag?
[08:03:30] justinh: even Sky get it wrong sometimes
[08:03:40] bunder: justinh: whole series, or whole seasons?
[08:03:46] bunder: whole seasons would be nice
[08:04:12] bunder: myth does a good job of grouping series' together
[08:04:16] justinh: directhex: I don't know. There was talk of it but I don't know how far it got. it's called 'playback'
[08:04:33] justinh: bunder: in the UK a season is typically a whole series
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[08:04:57] bunder: ah, here in canada some series go though more than one season
[08:04:57] justinh: unless it's a US import where there's a break for some god-forsaken reason
[08:05:26] bunder: ie: seinfeld was 9 seasons
[08:05:32] justinh: maybe it's just a difference in terminology
[08:05:46] justinh: we'd generally call it a 9th series
[08:06:01] bunder: ah. to us, seinfeld is the series, 9 is the season
[08:07:07] justinh: with freeview playback the general idea is to give a current run of a show a unique ID. each episode has its own ID but the concept is that each block of consecutive shows is in the same group
[08:07:23] bunder: yeah, zap2it does that too
[08:08:04] justinh: there's even supposed to be a feature coming where if you see a trailer for a new show, the series link data is embedded in it to enable you to press a button & record the lot
[08:08:04] bunder: eg: that terminator series is EP00931007
[08:08:38] bunder: 0009 being the episode
[08:08:40] fryfrog: Anyone tried one of those Atom CPUs on some HD mpeg2 or some 720p x264?
[08:09:21] bunder: according to the specs, it looks okay, not that i've tried it
[08:09:47] fryfrog: i can't imagine it has enough balls to handle 720p x264 :/
[08:09:54] directhex: fryfrog, it doesn't
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[08:10:00] justinh: hrm can't find any tickets for 'freeview playback'
[08:10:02] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/Acer_One_frontend2.png
[08:10:03] directhex: fryfrog, it's better than c7, but not THAT much better
[08:10:10] fryfrog: ah, oh well
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[08:10:22] bunder: for a 1.8ghz cpu, that's sad
[08:10:23] directhex: gbee, you bought an acer?
[08:10:29] gbee: yup
[08:10:31] fryfrog: someone has tested it or?
[08:10:40] directhex: bunder, in-order, low power chip.
[08:10:55] directhex: gbee, i'm waiting to see the dell. i have a good vibe about it
[08:10:57] bunder: ah, that could be why
[08:11:01] justinh: muhhhh.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . back;#315917 is as far as it got
[08:11:04] bunder: anywho, i'm out, thanks for the tidbits
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[08:11:21] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/Acer_One_frontend.png & ndash; displaysize needs setting I think ;)
[08:12:41] gbee: directhex: I'm sure better ones will come along and if I feel it necessary I'll trade this one in, but I wasn't going to wait forever and I like the price of the One – £200
[08:13:01] justinh: eep. better get my arse into work
[08:13:04] directhex: gbee, thoughts? most review scores give it a little less than the eee
[08:13:23] directhex: justinh, if you're lucky, today is rammstein day! ^_^
[08:14:12] gbee: depends on the model of Eee, better than 701 obviously, lacks the bluetooth etc of the 900 series Eee and has slightly poorer battery life, but then it costs £100 less too
[08:14:33] directhex: the eee has suffered major price creep
[08:14:52] directhex: i reckon dell will hit a good price point with the 910
[08:15:06] gbee: on the plus side reviews seem to make the One a lot faster even though it uses the same CPU, even when you overclock the 90x
[08:16:21] gbee: but speed, capacity etc aren't really too important in a device of this size, it's not meant to replace a normal machine for long periods of work, you simply couldn't spend long on the small screen/keyboard even if you wanted to
[08:16:54] directhex: i gave myself hand cramps typing on a dell d410 (12.1" screen, relatively small thing)
[08:17:43] gbee: for me this thing is like a more practical iPhone, but without the phone part (unless you count Skype etc)
[08:18:33] Maliuta: skype is not VoIP, get something real
[08:18:56] gbee: gives me net access, remote access to my home machines, a decent enough screen for displaying photos to friends/relatives, a portable video player and something to work on if needed while on holiday
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[08:19:29] gbee: it's a _lot_ more portable than my 15.4" laptop
[08:23:00] gbee: planning to save some recordings to SD cards for something to watch if I get bored on holiday :)
[08:23:45] directhex: gbee, serial console!
[08:23:47] gbee: directhex: oh and I'm planning to do a touchscreen mod which will cost me £10–20
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[08:25:25] wagnerrp: where can you find a 12" touchscreen module for $20?
[08:26:19] wagnerrp: ive not seen them go for less than 5x that
[08:26:20] gbee: just need to sort out the ssh vpn stuff
[08:28:14] gbee: wagnerrp: no idea, the screen on this thing is 8.9"
[08:28:47] wagnerrp: oh, directhex had the 12"
[08:29:01] wagnerrp: anyway, my question still applies
[08:29:04] gbee: I was going to point out the guy selling them on Ebay that cheap, but it seems demand has drive up his prices to $70(Aus)
[08:29:25] gbee: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/07/asus-ee . . . ailable.html
[08:30:01] gbee: http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic. . . . art=10#p3704
[08:32:26] gbee: $70 (Aus) == £32, he was selling them at ~$40 (Aus) a couple of weeks ago :(
[08:32:58] gbee: but I'm sure someone will start to undercut him again
[08:42:00] wagnerrp: yeah, everything im finding (including sources from eeepc moding pages) is $80+
[08:42:43] gbee: US?
[08:45:02] gbee: seems around that price level, $2–5 less maybe, on ebay here – once you include postage anyway, excluding postage it's ~$60
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[08:46:21] gbee: well I'm prepared to wait, no way I'll have time to make the mod in the next month anyway
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[08:57:05] justinh: directhex: rammstein? sounds boozy
[08:57:56] directhex: more lively than new order!
[08:58:01] directhex: and more gerrman too!
[08:58:06] justinh: damn our wiki is slow today :(
[08:58:55] justinh: ooo 1.5k/sec :-O
[09:02:51] justinh: I think I'm going to have to find a better terminal program. hyperturd is very crashy but putty is even more crashy
[09:04:13] justinh: ah so now hyperturd is crashing but leaving the com port occupied. time to reboot then
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[09:11:06] gbee_: this thing is actually a brilliant frontend, the wifi is rock steady
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[09:39:17] justinh: trying the machine in linux to see if it's a hardware problem
[09:39:28] AndyCap: gbee_: what thing?
[09:39:34] directhex: the thing in the ting?
[09:39:52] justinh: it's been woooo about a year since it was reinstalled so windows is probably broken by now
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[09:43:27] justinh: hahaha. it's not the hardware
[09:44:30] justinh: looks like I'm using linux most of the time at work from now on
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[09:51:18] justinh: heheh minicom ftw!
[09:56:01] directhex: i thought you hated linux desktops? isn't crashing apps at work part of the ideal windows experience?
[09:57:44] Maliuta: the reboots every 5 seconds
[09:58:47] justinh: oh ffs our product is returning junk chars which is making minicom poop its pants
[09:59:08] sid3windr: screen > minicom
[09:59:25] justinh: nope
[09:59:33] justinh: no good if minicom is in some weird mode
[09:59:48] sid3windr: I mean, screen > minicom ;)
[09:59:55] sid3windr: > as in "better than"
[10:00:06] justinh: screen can be used as a serial terminal?
[10:00:08] sid3windr: yes
[10:00:14] sid3windr: screen <device> [<baudrate>]
[10:00:18] directhex: i use putty as a serial terminal
[10:00:21] sid3windr: baudrate defaults to 9600
[10:00:30] sid3windr: putty does that these days without patch?
[10:00:35] directhex: sure.
[10:00:37] sid3windr: I remember using tutty for that for a while
[10:00:42] sid3windr: cool.
[10:00:51] justinh: wicked! cheers sid3windr :)
[10:00:58] sid3windr: must remember when I'm on windows again, hyperterminal is pissing me off time and time again
[10:01:05] justinh: defaults to no hardware handshake too :D
[10:01:14] sid3windr: justinh: it's a little known feature but every time you tell someone about it they get a big smile on their face ;)
[10:01:25] sid3windr: because really, minicom isn't all that great :P
[10:01:31] justinh: arggh it's making screen fuck up too
[10:01:44] sid3windr: oops. you product is fucked up! ;)
[10:02:51] ** justinh tries putty **
[10:03:09] justinh: we set system variables with EscM\foobar\something
[10:03:29] justinh: and when the system is returning with what's just supposed to be "ok" it's obviously sending junk
[10:04:53] justinh: weird. now ttyS0 is in use but lsof says no
[10:05:04] justinh: maybe the hardware is broken
[10:05:25] justinh: nope. lsof needed sudo
[10:06:05] justinh: got the port back & still doesn't work
[10:06:40] justinh: ah. the box is rebooting. words fail to describe the lameness of this product
[10:15:34] justinh: well, seems whatever the machine is doing, putty is stripping the character(s) which make screen poo its pants
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[10:21:16] gbee: directhex: the one, screen quality is good, handles SD recordings pretty easily and I get no drop-outs in video as I move around the house etc
[10:21:34] gbee: speakers aren't bad volume wise either
[10:22:01] gbee: altogether, better than I hoped
[10:23:31] gbee: video in bed ftw, now if only I had a machine that could make and serve breakfast in bed ...
[10:23:45] justinh: wife!
[10:23:52] laga: hide some cereals under your bed?
[10:24:03] justinh: cereals do not a breakfast make
[10:24:28] laga: indeed
[10:24:56] justinh: sausages, bacon, egg ... yum
[10:25:05] gbee: milk could go off overnight ;) I'm with justinh though – don't tend to eat cereal for breakfast very much, toast or better
[10:25:34] laga: i tend to have buns + jam and some cereals
[10:26:00] justinh: you crazy continentals. if it's not fried dead animal, it ain't breakfast :P
[10:26:04] laga: heh
[10:26:08] gbee: ahh, the continental breakfast
[10:26:21] gbee: in Greece it was cold meats and stale cake
[10:26:26] justinh: then again I didn't lose over 36 pounds by eating a Full English every day :P
[10:26:26] laga: although the first thing i did today was calling the bike shop: "where are my parts?!". now i hope i'll have them tomorrow
[10:26:29] laga: yay, stale cake
[10:26:58] justinh: ugh. broken dependencies
[10:26:59] pat_: generally my wife cooks me bacon and eggs or pikelets with double cream and maple syrup for saturday breakfast
[10:27:02] gbee: to be fair in colder climates I think we need the heavier breakfast to set us up for the day
[10:27:17] ** gbee is now feeling extremely hungry **
[10:27:23] justinh: winter is here!
[10:27:33] Maliuta: what is this .. "pounds"???? ... can't you people use Kilo's like the civilised world?
[10:27:36] laga: gbee: that kind of breakfast would make me go to bed again. too heavy ;)
[10:27:37] gbee: not that Germany is warmer than the UK!
[10:28:36] justinh: Maliuta: NEVER!
[10:28:37] gbee: laga: heh, I couldn't eat a full English breakfast every day, maybe a bacon butty though
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[10:29:16] justinh: though that rogue apostrophe could get you an honorary British citizenship :P
[10:29:36] gbee: ok, now I have to find brunch ...
[10:31:45] Maliuta: justinh: it's not rogue, the point of an apostrophe is to denote missing letters
[10:32:02] Maliuta: justinh: some of us speak english, no american't
[10:32:05] Maliuta: :P
[10:32:10] justinh: kilos
[10:32:13] justinh: not kilo's
[10:32:16] justinh: not kiloes
[10:32:21] gbee: Maliuta: I'm part of the generation that has been brought up with both metric and imperial, I've had to learn both and use both – not sure anyone tends to refer to their weight in kilos in the UK, it's Stones/Pounds, but inanimate objects are more usually described in kg
[10:32:39] justinh: nice summation, gbee ;)
[10:32:57] justinh: distances are generally in miles/yards too
[10:33:00] Maliuta: here in .au only the really old farts use non metric
[10:33:06] directhex: long distances in miles
[10:33:09] directhex: anything shorter in metric
[10:33:15] Maliuta: shit even my parents use metric
[10:33:22] directhex: furniture etc is in metric
[10:33:30] directhex: oh, height is imperial. forgot that
[10:33:39] Maliuta: 187cm's
[10:33:39] gbee: distances are going to be in miles for ever, I can't see them replacing all the road signs in the country
[10:34:01] directhex: and the kph numbers on my car speedo are too hard to read, too
[10:34:06] Maliuta: gbee: all the signs in .au were once miles, they're now kms
[10:34:08] justinh: enough people resisted when our money went decimal ffs
[10:34:22] gbee: Maliuta: yeah, but there are a lot less of them ;)
[10:34:36] directhex: justinh, have you seen the anti-Celsius rants?
[10:34:39] justinh: Maliuta: they can take away our freedoms – we never seem to object to that. but changing out units?! over our dead bodies!
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[10:34:46] Maliuta: gbee: you think there are less signs on the thousands of km's of road here?
[10:35:01] gbee: the UK may be small, but it's dissected by tens of thousands of roads
[10:35:02] justinh: Maliuta: less people to read em :P
[10:35:06] gbee: Maliuta: definately
[10:35:40] Maliuta: justinh: yeah, but the roos read 'em.. at least before we shoot and eat them :P
[10:35:48] justinh: uhoh. gonna have IT on my back soon. I'm downloading updates
[10:35:54] gbee: certainly were less road signs, fewer roads etc when I was over there in 2000
[10:36:03] justinh: oh noes! you have stolen 30MB of company internets!
[10:36:34] justinh: I'll just say it's essential for work. heh
[10:36:46] justinh: it is, technically
[10:37:07] pat_: tell them you'll write them a cheque for the extra billed traffic
[10:37:33] justinh: somebody got a bollocking for listening to internet radio ffs
[10:37:57] justinh: "jamming up the network". if streaming radio is "jamming up the network" we have serious problems I think
[10:38:04] directhex: well, internet radio contains annoying music!
[10:38:19] directhex: justinh, you see all thsoe 10mbit hubs your core stack uses?...
[10:38:28] justinh: I'll take Steve Wright over new order anyday :P
[10:38:47] justinh: directhex: funny but no. cisco managed switches throughout
[10:39:06] justinh: I think it's more down to how we're feebly connected to the interweb
[10:39:46] justinh: our other facility is only linked up via a VPN on ADSL. that's where the svn server is
[10:39:58] ** directhex rings the big show, requests some new order just for justinh **
[10:40:38] justinh: directhex: what I mean is I'd rather listen to Steve Wright than hear that iPod. not that I actually _want_ to listen to Steve Wright :D
[10:41:16] directhex: is maconie still filling in for evans? he's a much better dj
[10:41:21] justinh: yeah
[10:41:39] justinh: somebody's filling in for moustachioed tossbag too
[10:42:01] directhex: who?
[10:42:11] justinh: richard allinson I think
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[10:43:36] directhex: he sucks. who's he covering for?
[10:43:42] justinh: steve wright
[10:44:11] justinh: == moustachioed tossbag
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[10:45:25] justinh: eeew. the css in our webpages needs fixing. doesn't like linux firefox
[10:53:43] ** laga adds dpatches for the skip filter patch, the h264 frame counting patch and the ffmpeg merge patch to his build **
[10:56:54] directhex: laga, "your" build or mythbuntu builds generally?
[10:57:50] laga: my build. the mythbuntu builds will probably get 24_fix_h264_frame_counting.dpatch and 25_skiploop_option.dpatch
[10:57:58] laga: ffmpeg merge is too scary for these.
[10:58:25] laga: some guy already has -fixes builds with an updated copy of ffmpeg, though. way to duplicate the effort
[10:58:38] justinh: teh bravery!
[10:58:52] laga: justinh: AFAIK, it breaks AC3 passthru. wanna test? ;)
[10:59:04] fryfrog: are they going to make it into 0.21-fixes?
[10:59:04] justinh: ugh
[10:59:13] fryfrog: well, the ones that *don't* break stuff?
[10:59:24] justinh: I'd class ffmpeg merges as enhancements, not fixes
[10:59:45] fryfrog: unless it fixed something :)
[10:59:55] justinh: even then, it's pretty tenuous
[10:59:58] fryfrog: fix_h264 sure sounds like a *fix*
[11:00:07] laga: fryfrog: the frame counting patch is in trunk
[11:00:16] fryfrog: ah
[11:00:40] laga: the skiploop patch won't be committed because janneg is working on a more generic way to apply options like that for 0.22. although i don't see why it shouldn't be committed..
[11:00:55] laga: but that's just my opinion ;)
[11:00:55] justinh: at the end of the day it depends if it's a patch or basically a rewrite. some ffmpeg changes involve a lot of work
[11:01:10] justinh: doubling that up alongside qt changes etc.. sounds like too much
[11:01:14] laga: the only thing i'd want from the ffmpeg resync is better h.264 support.
[11:01:21] justinh: anyway, they're only users ffs
[11:01:23] laga: h.264 in ffmpeg trunk really rocks.
[11:01:39] gbee: ffmpeg sync won't be backported since it can't be guarenteed that it won't break things that do work in -fixes
[11:02:29] gbee: frame counting fix etc probably will be backported, as long as people remember
[11:02:35] justinh: what's so wrong with "if you want newer more shiny things & better stuff, use trunk?" anyway
[11:02:55] justinh: or "wait til the next release" ?
[11:03:00] laga: hum. is there a tool for diff mangling? i'd like to change the paths for the files which are to be patched
[11:03:14] laga: justinh: what about "i wanna watch HD now"? ;)
[11:03:24] justinh: laga: exactly. what about it ;)
[11:03:38] laga: hah
[11:04:17] justinh: what about all the poor ickle hd-pvr users? they're not gonna see a backport for that I bet
[11:04:41] laga: i think someone actually backported those changes
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[11:36:17] laga: ooh, maybe the new intel driver will fix tv-out on my laptop
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[11:39:26] SirFunk_: hey, i just got a hauppauge 1600 for mythtv... on analog when i watch tv.. the picture is doubled (2 high) any idea what could cause that?
[11:39:36] SirFunk_: .. if i capture from /dev/video0 or watch with mplayer it's fine
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[11:39:50] laga: SirFunk_: bob deinterlacer with the ati proprietary driver
[11:39:53] laga: use a different deinterlacer
[11:40:42] SirFunk_: hmm
[11:40:45] SirFunk_: ok, i'll give it a go
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[12:06:13] Dubstar_04: anyone in?
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[12:11:05] Dubstar_04: I compiled Trunk last night and when I launched mythtvfrontend it stated it was updating my current database on my server, If I allow it to continue will the database be unuseable with 0.21?
[12:11:33] GreyFoxx: You cannot mix versions
[12:11:52] directhex: and databases only go one way.
[12:11:54] gbee: but a backup will be created when you update so you can revert if needed
[12:12:11] directhex: but the backup obviously won't include any changes or recordings made after the backup
[12:12:40] Dubstar_04: Is the best thing to do make a local database on my laptop then?
[12:12:52] directhex: what's the goal?
[12:13:38] Dubstar_04: I want to keep working on a plugin
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[12:21:06] GreyFoxx: shhh
[12:21:26] GreyFoxx: vmware is handy for that sort of thing if you wasnt to keep it isolated from your regular stuff
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[12:21:34] Sulx: well...trunk is working fine...for me at least
[12:21:35] GreyFoxx: s/wasnt/want
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[12:31:26] waxhead: hmm....
[12:31:32] waxhead: is wireless just a bad option for streaming media.. or is it crap wireless hardware?
[12:32:02] Dubstar_04: I used to run a wireless G network no probs
[12:32:35] GreyFoxx: wax: Its hit or miss for some people
[12:32:42] directhex: it's both
[12:32:43] GreyFoxx: for some its fine, for others it sucks :)
[12:32:48] directhex: it helps if you turn off your white goods
[12:32:54] directhex: e.g. fridge, microwave
[12:32:56] waxhead: I was watching TV fine, but either the AP choked or the nic...
[12:33:01] Dubstar_04: I use the wiredhome plugs now. However there is no difference in performance
[12:33:10] waxhead: I had to reset both to get wireless working...
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[12:33:30] waxhead: performancewise it was fine...
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[12:35:29] waxhead: I'm just wondering if the wireless AP can handle the data coming through it...
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[12:42:49] justinh: waxhead: I can watch most things over wireless at home just fine no matter where I am in the house or my garden – most things apart from HDTV. I tried watching a 720p mpeg2 video the other night on my laptop in the same room as my wireless router. it would play for a few seconds, then buffer, then play some more.
[12:43:12] justinh: that might have been a combination of nfs & the wireless though, I don't know
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[12:43:58] waxhead: justinh: sure.. I was watching SD TV fine... looks like a NIC or AP problem.. I had to restart both to get the network connection working again...
[12:44:13] waxhead: who knows.. it could be a timing issue...
[12:44:41] justinh: and fwiw I don't even know how good the wireless driver is in linux compared to windows
[12:45:19] waxhead: justinh: yep.... that's the thing...
[12:45:30] justinh: either way I'm not really bothered. I got my laptop to DJ with & do dev work on
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[12:46:24] justinh: from the messages in mythfrontend I think it was definitely network isses rather than the machine not being able to keep up
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[12:47:24] waxhead: I lost all network connectivity... couldn't ping past the nic... hmmm .. should have tried pining the nic before restarting the AP
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[12:48:33] laga: note: diff mangling with sed can results in lots of pain.
[12:48:54] justinh: laga: I didn't feel a thing :D
[12:48:56] laga: especially if you get your regex wrong and it breaks the diff
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[13:21:54] dustybin: this tune kicks ass half way through
[13:21:56] dustybin: http://www.last.fm/music/KiloWatts/_/Azure
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[14:01:32] |chiz|: Does anyone have a solution for watching videos with mythtv that are stored on a windows box which isn't always on, served up with windows shares?
[14:02:23] justinh: heheh. heheheheh.. hur hur hur hur hur
[14:02:24] laga: i'd suspect such a solution involves "wake on lan"
[14:03:30] Dagmar: ...and lots of independent study.
[14:03:46] clever: my wake on lan doesnt work right when windows shuts down
[14:03:53] |chiz|: well pretty much 100% of the time the system is on when you want to watch the videos so I wouldn't worry about wake on lan
[14:03:58] clever: i have to runs some cmd under linux to enable it then properly shutdown
[14:04:21] clever: i suspect the windows driver might be disabling it on shutdown or something
[14:04:27] directhex: so why not just add the shared folder to mythvideo?
[14:04:40] clever: because that would be too simple:P
[14:04:46] Dagmar: I think perhaps someone has completely missed the point.
[14:05:05] Dagmar: Either that, or this box contains Schroedinger's Cat as well.
[14:05:17] Dagmar: It is apparently both up and down, until someone tries to use it.
[14:05:19] clever: is the cat dead?
[14:05:25] |chiz|: its mostly just a matter of mounting and remounting when the windows box goes off and on
[14:05:45] clever: ahh, yeah my nfs mounts tend to implode and need a reboot when the other end goes offline
[14:05:48] justinh: oh. you can't really do that, see
[14:05:49] Dagmar: Welcome to "Why Windows Is Generally Unsuitable As A Fileserver"
[14:06:34] justinh: well, that's an hour of my life I'm never gonna get back
[14:07:14] laga: justinh: i've been messing with the ubuntu packaging for hours now...
[14:07:16] clever: i managed to fix my lirc problems
[14:07:20] clever: was totaly in software
[14:07:23] justinh: !trout ubuntu remember-my-frickin-keyboard-map
[14:07:23] ** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a remember-my-frickin-keyboard-map trout on behalf of justinh... **
[14:07:44] |chiz|: its probably just best to get any kind of media off windows and put in on a linux box eh, I guess I'll look into that
[14:07:58] clever: i went back to the original lirc_serial.ko file that worked before(which meant going back a kernel release) and it 'just worked'
[14:08:56] clever: something with the new source is causing it to output a useless signal
[14:09:12] justinh: what is with this damn OS? I set my keymap when I first installed it. now it seems to have 'forgot'
[14:09:41] justinh: and to test it held the change I just logged out & back in.. guess what?
[14:10:32] clever: it forgot?
[14:10:47] clever: i had 2 places i could set it, xorg.conf and within gnome
[14:11:05] justinh: what? no effing wonder! Option "XkbLayout" "us"
[14:11:11] clever: see:P
[14:11:13] justinh: so wtf use is the gui tool then?!
[14:11:21] directhex: the gui tool doesn't mess with xorg.conf
[14:11:26] clever: gnome normaly overrides it at login
[14:11:38] justinh: so what DOES it do?
[14:11:39] clever: mine mainly bitches, asking which to use because they differ
[14:11:43] |chiz|: alright so if I am able to move all my media to linux boxes what is a good way to serve up media to the frontend?
[14:11:52] justinh: fudges other stuff temporarily on an as-is basis? :-O
[14:11:57] Dagmar: Samba, NFS.
[14:12:03] justinh: NFS or NFS
[14:12:15] justinh: keep sambo for serving to windows
[14:12:17] laga: justinh: did you mess with nvidia-settings? that tends to reset the keymap here
[14:12:19] directhex: sshfs! 9snicker)
[14:12:21] directhex: (
[14:12:21] Dagmar: The main thing is "don't power down the fileserver"
[14:12:32] justinh: laga: intel VGA ;)
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[14:13:02] Dagmar: ware: I hate to be the one to point this out, but there's one thing about the technical presenters at PN
[14:13:04] Dagmar: wrong chan
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[14:13:33] justinh: seriously though wth does the GUI stuff actually do cos it's not working..
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[14:14:37] clever: its supposed to change the config at runtime when you login
[14:15:07] clever: but your probly running 5.10 so its not working:P
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[14:28:45] |chiz|: ok so NFS and don't turn it off, I hope I can do it (hardware wise)
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[14:39:33] Dubstar_04: How can I add channels to mythtube?
[14:41:12] laga: Dubstar_04: cojonuo is the mythtube developer
[14:41:29] Dubstar_04: Ok
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[14:42:07] Dubstar_04: I have just installed mythtube and I want some of my own channels to appear in the initial screen
[14:42:21] Dubstar_04: How do i add them?
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[14:46:12] Dubstar_04: Is the channel-list.xml to be used within the plugin or to add future channels
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[15:10:23] GlemSom: I'm trying to do a emerge -uD... but it fails at mythweb... I get this message: http://pastebin.com/m74bf6914 Anyone have any suggestions to what could be wrong here? (mythweb is running fine on the machine)
[15:10:32] GlemSom: Sorry, wrong channel! :)
[15:10:53] Dubstar_04: The search function in mythtube doesn't return anything
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[15:27:39] Dubstar_04_: Has anyone used mythtube?
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[15:56:51] joe__: hello have anybody this message RecBase(/dev/video0) Error: SetIntOption(...mpeg2bitrate): Option not in profile. when you try to record
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[16:00:02] ReikoShea: ticket 2679 was created re: this issue
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[16:00:42] ReikoShea: joe__:
[16:01:13] joe__: ok i;ll look for it thanks ReikoShea
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[16:09:47] wagnerrp: GlemSom: you still around?
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[16:11:37] ReikoShea: joe__: it looks like that issue was fixed in 0.21
[16:11:48] ReikoShea: if you're at an older version, youll need to upgrade
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[16:13:20] wagnerrp: GlemSom: anyway, there is nothing to compile for mythweb, just grab the latest fixes off svn and install manually
[16:13:56] joe__: yeah thats what i see but the mythtv in that computer it was workin but for some extrange reasons the database was broke and erased so im reconfiguring the server
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[16:14:33] joe__: so if it was working why should i have to update ? ReikoShea
[16:14:34] wagnerrp: joe__: you have no backup?
[16:14:42] joe__: nope
[16:15:00] ReikoShea: joe__: how did you recreate the database?
[16:15:24] ReikoShea: and if it was working before, have you tried wiping all things myth and starting from scratch?
[16:15:53] joe__: i make some durty move there i dont know if it was rigth o make a dump from the structure of the database from another myth that is working
[16:15:56] joe__: make the base
[16:16:05] joe__: then reconfigure
[16:16:24] joe__: and it seems fine at leas the myth-setup was pretty clean
[16:16:59] ReikoShea: well the downside of doing a mysqldump -d is you lose a few configuration options from the db
[16:17:10] joe__: really
[16:17:56] ReikoShea: yeah, the setting table holds a lot of stuffz
[16:18:10] joe__: dammn
[16:18:14] joe__: so the best will be
[16:18:22] ReikoShea: just reinstall it
[16:18:23] joe__: start from the scratch
[16:18:43] ReikoShea: you can probably keep your current recordings
[16:19:31] joe__: well the thig that i was avoding that posibiliti was that the compurer dont have internet access and is not neer to me and is a fedora core 7 (i use debian almos all the time)
[16:20:03] joe__: so i'll have to go to the compurer or make some routes
[16:23:08] ReikoShea: yeah, just setup masq and you should be good to go
[16:24:39] joe__: by the way is there a myth-database package for fedora like debian in debian just dpkg-reconfigure myth-database will do the job
[16:24:49] joe__: but in fedoraaa well...
[16:25:17] joe__: ReikoShea,
[16:25:36] ReikoShea: yeah, im not too sure
[16:25:42] ReikoShea: i only work on debian based systems
[16:25:53] ReikoShea: redhat is my nemesis....
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[16:27:04] joe__: just like me, but this is for my job and my boss really like redhat -fedora-centos
[16:28:05] ReikoShea: lol i got lucky...my bosses have always been debian freaks
[16:28:29] ReikoShea: i think yum has some kind of reinstall command
[16:28:32] ReikoShea: but im not sure
[16:28:38] ReikoShea: just man yum and see if you can find it
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[16:30:44] ReikoShea: i havent worked on redhat in 6 years and its not like riding a bike
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[16:33:17] joe__: jajjajaja
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[16:40:26] ReikoShea: i am a believer in redline energy drinks....if you ever need one...try it guys (just make sure you note the part that says....only drink half the bottle every 4 hours)
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[16:41:56] ** laga doesn't drink caffeine **
[16:42:15] ReikoShea: wtf
[16:42:44] ReikoShea: no caffine in this drink
[16:42:56] ReikoShea: wait
[16:42:56] ReikoShea: nm
[16:43:04] ReikoShea: they listed the ingredients funny
[16:43:15] ReikoShea: 125mg per 4oz
[16:43:20] ReikoShea: mwahahahhahaa
[16:43:24] wagnerrp: thats an assload of caffiene
[16:43:52] wagnerrp: a (8oz) can of average soda as ~1/3 that
[16:44:10] ReikoShea: :)
[16:44:51] wagnerrp: of course expresso has more than that
[16:45:01] ReikoShea: 12 oz can of dr pepper........41mg
[16:45:16] ReikoShea: Coffee, Espresso (2 ounces) 100
[16:45:18] wagnerrp: err yeah... 12oz, not 8
[16:45:33] ReikoShea: 200mg per 4oz
[16:45:52] Dibblah: Has anyone tried recgroups with large numbers of disks? I'm thinking 5 or so, spun down...
[16:46:22] wagnerrp: it should work just like any single disk spun down
[16:46:37] Dibblah: wagnerrp: You've not tried it, I assume.
[16:46:43] wagnerrp: mythtv does not implement any sort of striping
[16:46:47] wagnerrp: its just round robin
[16:46:51] Dibblah: Not quite.
[16:46:52] wagnerrp: so it only records to one disk at a time
[16:47:26] Dibblah: The issue is that it doesn't store the path to the recording.
[16:47:32] ajh: So if you have 10 tuners it records to one disk?
[16:48:00] Dibblah: So to find a recording, it does a linear scan through the contents of the recgroup.
[16:48:03] wagnerrp: so if you have 10 tuners, the first recording goes to the first disk, the second recording goes to the second disk, and so on...
[16:48:11] ajh: that makes more sense :)
[16:48:15] Dibblah: Therefore it'll spin up all of the disks in sequence.
[16:48:21] ajh: Yeah how far does the linear scan scale?
[16:48:32] Dibblah: And be even slower to start watching a recording.
[16:48:46] ReikoShea: http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=IDE-TX431B&c=pw
[16:48:48] ReikoShea: mwahahahahahah
[16:48:57] ReikoShea: just do a raid 5 disk and call it a day
[16:48:58] ReikoShea: :)
[16:49:04] wagnerrp: possibly, of course theres a fair chance all that information will remain cached in memory
[16:49:11] Dibblah: ReikoShea: I have two. Why, do you want one?
[16:49:21] wagnerrp: ReikoShea: ive had bad experiences with RAIDs and spun down disks
[16:49:36] Dibblah: Oh, no I dont – I have the 8 port model.
[16:49:46] ReikoShea: .....
[16:49:52] ReikoShea: Dibblah: you suck
[16:49:54] ReikoShea: :(
[16:50:01] Dibblah: And it's PCI-x.
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[16:50:08] Dibblah: No, not PCI-e.
[16:50:16] ReikoShea: lol, sooo
[16:50:17] justinh: so my dog wants to go dancing. heh. he always looks in the door of the dance centre but today he stood & stared inside for a bit before bolting in. little bugger
[16:50:20] ReikoShea: i take it to the colo
[16:50:27] ReikoShea: and....yeah
[16:50:30] ReikoShea: i fail
[16:50:33] ReikoShea: :(
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[16:50:55] Dibblah: I guess the easiest way to find out is to try it :)
[16:51:07] wagnerrp: bah... 'partial open source code'
[16:51:11] wagnerrp: what is that supposed to mean
[16:51:16] ajh: http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata2-9650.asp
[16:51:24] justinh: it means it's open but just a crack
[16:51:49] justinh: maybe it's an open source wrapper for a binary blob
[16:51:50] ReikoShea: mwahaha
[16:51:55] ajh: Now that's the card you want.
[16:52:03] ajh: Unless you can afford SAS. :)
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[16:52:17] wagnerrp: weee! my card's official drivers are included in the mainline kernel
[16:52:22] Dibblah: ajh: Not really.
[16:52:31] ReikoShea: lol
[16:52:35] ajh: dibblah, why?
[16:52:36] ReikoShea: no i cant afford sas
[16:52:36] Dibblah: I have port multipliers.
[16:52:43] ajh: I had good luck with their early cards.
[16:52:44] justinh: I could afford SAS. if I was spending somebody else's money
[16:52:49] ReikoShea: lol
[16:52:56] ReikoShea: i definitely can afford sas at work
[16:52:59] ReikoShea: my budget is HUGE
[16:53:04] Dibblah: So the cheapest PCI-e chipsets work just fine...
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[16:53:21] justinh: is PM support in the main kernel yet?
[16:53:24] Dibblah: Yes.
[16:53:27] ReikoShea: *COUGH*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:53:36] Dibblah: Has been since .23 or so, ISTR.
[16:53:37] ReikoShea: 565 for the 8 port
[16:53:38] ReikoShea: :(
[16:53:47] justinh: cool. we have some boards at work which take one port to 5 :)
[16:54:13] ReikoShea: i dont care about raid 6, one parity disk is fine with me
[16:54:14] Dibblah: Depends on the SATA adapter chipset.
[16:54:20] justinh: ah but then the snag is finding a controller that supports it
[16:54:23] Dibblah: Some don't support PM.
[16:54:43] Dibblah: Port multiplier, not power management.
[16:54:56] ReikoShea: brb
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[16:55:01] Dibblah: Like I said, the cheap (ebay) 2 port SATA cards work fine.
[16:55:08] justinh: the only one I could find a while ago that isn't a fancy RAID card was something made by E-Tempo or something
[16:55:14] ajh: Though beating a 24port card for $1600.
[16:55:16] Dibblah: Sii 3132 chipset.
[16:55:23] justinh: had to replace a whole machine just to use it
[16:55:43] justinh: oo that's the same chipset as the one I bought for work a while back
[16:55:50] justinh: bout time they got more common
[16:56:13] Dibblah: Really, really cheap.
[16:56:24] ajh: Actually, they just dropped the price on their external raid enclosure from $765 to $382 which is pretty good.
[16:56:36] Dibblah: http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php? . . . currency=GBP
[16:56:37] ajh: That starts getting competitive with the usb/fw drives.
[16:56:40] justinh: ahhh.. tiny snag – I'll need pci-e in my backend
[16:56:49] ajh: http://store.3ware.com/?category=9&subcat . . . -SIDECAR-KIT
[16:56:51] Dibblah: Yep. That'd be a problem.
[16:57:25] ajh: Hrm, this might be a way for me to get the macpro on raid5 without the very very expensive mac solutions.
[16:57:49] Dibblah: Why bother when you can http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php? . . . currency=GBP
[16:58:31] Dibblah: $80 for the port multiplier, $16 for the SATA card...
[16:58:36] ajh: and how much is the enclosure, because most decent looking ones are pricy.
[16:59:29] ajh: and one that supports hot-swap
[16:59:35] Dibblah: Enclosure? What sort of a namby pamby "pretty" enclosure do you need? ;)
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[16:59:53] ajh: One with adequate CFM?
[16:59:55] Dibblah: Hot swap is the most sold least delivered solution _ever_.
[16:59:57] ajh: and power.
[17:00:07] ajh: Funny, I used it all the time.
[17:01:04] ajh: 382 for a 4 drive hot-swap enclosure is less than the premium you'd pay to buy 4 Lacie external USB drives.
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[17:01:44] ajh: Sorry, is your arguement that it is not technically a good solution, or that you're poor?
[17:01:59] ajh: Because one I can argue, the other can't really be helped.
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[17:02:50] ajh: and yes, I looked a the PM option, but ever try to get raid5 working on a macpro?
[17:03:42] kormoc: works for me
[17:03:59] ajh: What do you use to do the raid5 under osx?
[17:04:13] kormoc: had to reinstall from scratch
[17:04:29] kormoc: during the install, you can setup the cards/drives
[17:04:37] ajh: When I installed the options were stripe, mirror, or both, no 5.
[17:04:53] kormoc: you don't have the mac approved hardware raid controller then
[17:05:02] ajh: Oh is that free?
[17:05:03] kormoc: os x doesn't do software raid-5
[17:05:11] kormoc: no, it's a few hundred dollars
[17:05:14] justinh: you know how many hotswap caddies we go through at work? the power switching FETs are way under-rated
[17:05:19] ajh: So... ot a better solution?
[17:05:24] kormoc: install linux?
[17:05:40] ajh: And how would that provide archetecture diversity?
[17:05:57] kormoc: does it need to?
[17:06:10] ajh: If I'm going to work, yes.
[17:06:27] ajh: I've got boxes here from MIPS to Itanium2 running LInux.
[17:06:50] ajh: plus a storage filled with prototype crap. :)
[17:08:56] kormoc: ajh, all I know is I joined the channel and you said "ever try to get raid5 working on a macpro?" Outside of that, I have no idea what you're talking bout
[17:09:12] wagnerrp: yeah, im pretty sure i have a bad caddy
[17:09:18] ajh: kromoc, ah :)
[17:09:39] wagnerrp: i have plenty of power in the system, and the other three caddies dont seem to have any problem
[17:09:50] wagnerrp: but the top one will not hotswap
[17:10:03] wagnerrp: any addition of one drive resets the whole box of 3
[17:10:09] kormoc: wagnerrp, so plug another drive into the top one and see if it works?
[17:10:21] justinh: pfft. cable stb is showing fields in the wrong order again
[17:10:23] kormoc: wagnerrp, and then swap caddies and see if it follows the caddie or the drive?
[17:10:26] wagnerrp: which basically means the entire array is compromised
[17:10:47] wagnerrp: kormoc: considering i have minimal backups, i would prefer not to test such things
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[17:11:07] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:11:09] kormoc: fair 'nuff
[17:11:13] wagnerrp: although right now, i just have half a mirror in that caddy
[17:11:19] wagnerrp: so it would be reasonably safe
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[17:16:10] justinh: heheh got mythtube worky now.
[17:16:20] b^j: i have a pretty significant volume difference from recording to recording on my myth box, any idea what the source of this issue could be? my only idea is that i have 2 separate tuners and it could be settings differences between the two
[17:16:34] justinh: b^j: more likely channels are to blame
[17:16:43] wagnerrp: is this digital TV?
[17:16:44] justinh: unless your tuners are different types
[17:16:59] justinh: digital TV audio – you get the volume it's broadcast at or else
[17:17:02] b^j: analog cable
[17:17:13] b^j: 2 winpvr 150s
[17:17:16] justinh: which is typically at least 6dB lower than CDs & stuff
[17:17:24] b^j: and its the same channel
[17:17:52] wagnerrp: oh, sound volume
[17:18:05] wagnerrp: i saw volume and for some reason thought file size
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[17:20:23] wagnerrp: justinh: they dont normally do range compression on TV?
[17:20:50] wagnerrp: or they have to keep the shows relatively quiet so they can crank up the volume on ads?
[17:21:34] b^j: the issue i am having is from one episode of mythbusters to another
[17:21:41] b^j: i just really noticed it today
[17:22:04] justinh: wagnerrp: peak broadcast level in the UK is regulated, but they keep a fair amount of headroom
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[18:05:07] Dubstar_04: Has anyone managed to use the search function on mythtube?
[18:06:39] iamlindoro_: yes
[18:06:41] iamlindoro_: works fine here
[18:07:11] Dubstar_04: Thanks. Its doesn't return anything for me
[18:07:13] iamlindoro_: press right twice, press down until you see youtube.pl. Press left twice, enter a term. Press right once, press enter.
[18:07:28] Dubstar_04: ha ha
[18:07:36] Dubstar_04: yeah tried all three
[18:07:36] iamlindoro_: not joking.
[18:07:40] iamlindoro_: Do it in that specific order
[18:07:44] iamlindoro_: trust me
[18:07:52] Dubstar_04: ok
[18:08:24] Dubstar_04: nope
[18:08:36] iamlindoro_: oh well, works fine here
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[18:10:13] Dubstar_04: Could it be due to database issues?
[18:10:37] iamlindoro_: Doubtful, there's not much in the DB at all
[18:11:04] iamlindoro_: The program just looks for all scripts in the script dir and attempts to execute them with an argument of the search term
[18:11:12] iamlindoro_: more likely you're lacking perl prerequisites
[18:11:35] Dubstar_04: what would they be on ubuntu
[18:11:48] Dubstar_04: I installed all the perl stuff
[18:11:54] Dubstar_04: i think
[18:11:58] iamlindoro_: I doubt you installed "all the perl stuff"
[18:12:03] iamlindoro_: since that's thousands of packages
[18:12:13] iamlindoro_: and as for what they would be, no idea, welcome to the bleeding edge
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[18:12:28] Dubstar_04: ha ha
[18:12:46] iamlindoro_: simple matter to figure them out with a few brain cells and, oh, I dunno looking in the programs that use them
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[18:15:53] moodboom: hey all, using svn, mythfrontend is hitting 50–95% cpu use when all i'm doing is playing mp3's, any suggestions on figuring that one out?
[18:15:55] thatdood: setting up a new backend server, first time I have used multiple dvb-s cards. all 3 cards are setup the same, same lnb settings, video sources. do I only need to scan for channels on one card? or is it necessary to do a full channel scan on all 3 cards?
[18:16:17] iamlindoro_: once will do
[18:16:23] iamlindoro_: and attach the same lineup to all three
[18:16:42] Dubstar_04: just scan one card and use the same source
[18:17:01] thatdood: ok, cool. im doing the scanning now, so will see how it works out
[18:17:08] thatdood: thanks for the feedback guys
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[18:21:24] moodboom: mythfrontend taking 95% even after pausing play – i can play mp3's fine with other apps (no high cpu)
[18:21:40] moodboom: mythfrontend drops again once i exit the music screen
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[18:22:24] moodboom: huh, went back in and it's doing better
[18:22:26] moodboom: nvm
[18:22:26] ajh: strace?
[18:22:52] moodboom: ajh will look into that, thanks
[18:23:04] ajh: If that doesn't help, then gdb.
[18:23:37] moodboom: yeah, there's always that  :>
[18:23:39] moodboom: thanks
[18:24:11] moodboom: i had it running for a long time, i'll have to keep my eye on it
[18:24:20] moodboom: long time = days  :>
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[18:32:38] wagnerrp: days with the frontend open? or days in mythmusic?
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[18:35:35] troldrik: Which setup screen is the backend ip set in?
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[18:35:58] cesman: troldrik: mythtv-setup
[18:35:58] wagnerrp: the first one
[18:36:16] cesman: troldrik: General> First Screen
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[18:48:19] moodboom: wagnerrp in mythmusic
[18:49:32] moodboom: it's back up to 17% now
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[18:54:04] johnf1911: I have a problem that's probably incredibly stupid, and easy to solve
[18:54:12] johnf1911: I have a frontend that's attempting to connect to a backend
[18:54:22] johnf1911: I can see the preview of recordings made on the backend
[18:54:28] johnf1911: but, when I got to watch it full screen
[18:54:32] johnf1911: I get a black screen
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[18:54:44] johnf1911: it's effectively the issue described here:
[18:54:46] johnf1911: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=501858
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[18:55:03] johnf1911: and here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv
[18:55:15] johnf1911: however, none of the "solutions" on these pages solve my problem
[18:55:21] wagnerrp: what video card do you have? can you otherwise use livetv?
[18:55:28] johnf1911: I definately have the right IP address set in mythtv-setup
[18:55:33] ajh: try setting your player to something other than internal too.
[18:55:39] johnf1911: er, I've redone the database a few times now
[18:55:40] gbee: moodboom: using any visualisatons?
[18:55:47] johnf1911: and currently, I can't do the livetv
[18:55:47] justinh: no good for recordings, that ajh
[18:55:58] justinh: johnf1911: sounds like a video driver issue to me
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[18:56:00] wagnerrp: im thinking that Xv is not functioning
[18:56:04] johnf1911: er, maybe I can now that the recording if stopped
[18:56:11] johnf1911: hmm, possible but unlikely
[18:56:19] ajh: Wait, what remote file url are you getting the failure on?
[18:56:22] wagnerrp: the preview does not use Xv, and will work if your drivers are botched
[18:56:26] justinh: unlikely? I doubt it ;)
[18:56:27] johnf1911: oh yeah
[18:56:28] ajh: The one in that post is invalid.
[18:57:00] justinh: is xv considered deprecated in some way? is this why support for it is so scant in some drivers?
[18:57:06] troldrik: johnf1911: pastebin frontend and backend ootput.
[18:57:42] justinh: ugh. I can't be doing with inkscape while on battery power. lol
[18:58:24] troldrik: justinh: because opensores drivers suck.
[18:58:40] justinh: roflmao @ the news. Paedophile Gary glitter. not just Gary Glitter
[18:59:04] johnf1911: http://paste2.org/p/64240
[18:59:16] johnf1911: the frontend time is completely wrong
[18:59:23] johnf1911: so er, don't try to corelate ;)
[18:59:27] johnf1911: 2008-08–22 14:22:46.738 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):
[18:59:27] johnf1911: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1
[18:59:32] johnf1911: this also strikes me as interesting
[18:59:50] justinh: blank hostname somewhere?
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[19:00:44] johnf1911: I suppose it's possible
[19:00:45] johnf1911: but where
[19:00:53] justinh: maybe some frontend log would illuminate
[19:00:58] johnf1911: it's there
[19:01:05] johnf1911: you have the frontend, then the backend
[19:01:11] johnf1911: cat ~mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[19:01:15] johnf1911: then er
[19:01:23] johnf1911: a line break before the backend
[19:01:36] johnf1911: sorry, the backend log was a bit large so I trimmed it, but omitted the header
[19:01:41] johnf1911: starts on line 54
[19:01:45] justinh: oh I see now
[19:01:58] moodboom: no
[19:02:06] moodboom: gbee: no
[19:02:25] gbee: moodboom: ok, odd
[19:02:28] justinh: looks like there's a wrong hostname somewhere to me
[19:02:34] johnf1911: yes, I rather agree
[19:02:39] johnf1911: but where would it be?
[19:02:43] justinh: johnf1911: backend hostname changed?
[19:03:03] johnf1911: justinh: yes, at one point, however, since then I've dropped the database and recreated from scratch
[19:03:04] justinh: no wait then the backend wouldn't be able to find the master backend
[19:03:21] justinh: can't think clearly enough at the mo
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[19:03:28] justinh: need my tea!
[19:03:35] iamlindoro_: look in pocket
[19:03:39] iamlindoro_: You see: No tea
[19:03:41] iamlindoro_: get no tea
[19:03:44] iamlindoro_: Taken.
[19:03:59] iamlindoro_: old school points to the person recognizing THAT
[19:04:02] johnf1911: the backend and master backend are one and the same
[19:04:03] justinh: wait for wife to return from work. wait for tea to be cooked
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[19:04:20] justinh: johnf1911: curioser still
[19:04:45] johnf1911: copying a little video over to the machine for a spot of a Xv test
[19:04:51] moodboom: gbee: not even using a capture card, just for listening to music on this install – i'll try to keep an eye on it
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[19:09:03] johnf1911: ok, Xv is confirmed as working
[19:09:09] johnf1911: scaling away happily
[19:09:27] wagnerrp: you did an 'mplayer -vo xv' ?
[19:09:36] johnf1911: VO: [xv] 624x352 => 624x352 Planar YV12
[19:09:43] johnf1911: mplayer -vo xv CSI*
[19:09:55] johnf1911: I wouldn't say Xv was working if it wasn't ;)
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[19:10:06] wagnerrp: fair enough
[19:10:33] justinh: you do have read/write permission on the recordings dir don't you?
[19:10:38] johnf1911: yes
[19:10:44] johnf1911: ownership is mythtv:mythtv
[19:10:55] johnf1911: recently added group write, as it seemed to be suggested in one of the two threads I linked
[19:10:59] johnf1911: no impact
[19:12:22] johnf1911: ok, one other interesting thing
[19:12:26] johnf1911: now that it has stopped recording
[19:12:31] johnf1911: I am able to watch livetv
[19:12:49] johnf1911: drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 12288 2008-08–22 15:12 /home/mythtv/store/
[19:13:27] wagnerrp: i know there is some setting somewhere, that will force the frontend to stream over the backend even if it has direct file access
[19:13:39] johnf1911: yes, I have enabled that setting
[19:13:44] johnf1911: frontend still can't reach the server
[19:13:50] johnf1911: frontend running on the backend can
[19:13:53] johnf1911: :/
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[19:14:03] johnf1911: we have company over, I'd best see to them
[19:14:06] johnf1911: I'll be back shortly
[19:14:10] wagnerrp: so this is a remote frontend?
[19:14:12] johnf1911: sorry to interupt the diagnostic
[19:14:20] johnf1911: I have a remote frontend, that exhibits this problem
[19:14:23] wagnerrp: what about mounting with NFS, and playing the files directly
[19:14:31] johnf1911: I can run a frontend on the backend, and generally don't use it
[19:14:32] troldrik: backend log of livetv prease
[19:14:33] johnf1911: but it does work
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[19:14:54] ReikoShea: nfs doesnt really fix the problem with myth
[19:15:07] johnf1911: wagnerrp: in theory that would work, but it seems unsporting ;)
[19:15:27] johnf1911: troldrik: http://paste2.org/p/64247
[19:15:36] johnf1911: hmm
[19:16:12] johnf1911: http://paste2.org/p/64248
[19:16:14] johnf1911: there, that's more complete
[19:16:26] troldrik: #
[19:16:27] troldrik: 2008-08–22 15:12:14.077 adding: hydrogen as a client (events: 0)
[19:16:43] troldrik: vs #
[19:16:44] troldrik: 2008-08–22 14:22:44.464 adding: carbon as a client (events: 0)
[19:17:02] johnf1911: hmm
[19:17:07] justinh: hang on. same machine?
[19:17:08] johnf1911: ok, I really need to go
[19:17:09] johnf1911: just a moment
[19:17:13] troldrik: And you say both times you're attempting to playback on the remote frontend (hydrogen)?
[19:17:17] johnf1911: fuck, one more log, but thats it
[19:17:22] ReikoShea: lol
[19:17:32] ReikoShea: if youre married id bet your wife is PISSED
[19:18:33] johnf1911: likely that
[19:18:38] johnf1911: troldrik: hmm, most interesting
[19:18:44] johnf1911: it now emits no messages on playback
[19:18:45] johnf1911: on the backend
[19:18:47] johnf1911: now must go
[19:18:47] johnf1911: bbl
[19:19:55] johnf1911: my learned collegeue troldrik will collect your suggestions ;)
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[19:41:54] SirFunk: so.. the only way to get schedule info in the US is to pay for it though scheduledirect?
[19:42:13] GreyFoxx: There are screenscrapers
[19:42:16] GreyFoxx: but few people use them
[19:42:33] GreyFoxx: there is a tendency to break everytime the site changes their layout
[19:42:39] SirFunk: :-\ <-- starving, cheap, college student :-P
[19:42:41] GreyFoxx: and no guarantees on data
[19:42:44] wagnerrp: most people find their time and sanity is worth more than $20/yr
[19:42:44] GreyFoxx: pffft
[19:42:46] GreyFoxx: $20 a year
[19:42:57] GreyFoxx: if you can't afford $0.05 a day you really are hurtin :)
[19:43:06] SirFunk: that $20 would buy enough ramen for like 3 months :-P
[19:43:08] justinh: people lose more than that while they're in a pub :P
[19:43:20] ReikoShea: justinh: A LOT MORE
[19:43:48] gbee: johnf1911: storage group breakage, re-run mythtv-setup and verify the storage group locations etc, reason livetv is working is probably because it's configured to use a different storage group
[19:43:49] GreyFoxx: Sir: Unfortunately it costs a lot of money to get the data :)
[19:43:54] SirFunk: i'll probably pay for it... too bad i don't have digital that woul dmake recording more appealing
[19:44:01] justinh: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/
[19:44:26] ReikoShea: gbee: johnf1911 is away right now
[19:44:27] wagnerrp: basically, its going to cost you considerably more to run that computer for a year than it will to get the guide data
[19:44:50] gbee: ReikoShea: yeah, leaving that for when he gets back because I'm not going to sit waiting ;)
[19:44:55] justinh: SirFunk: how much does a TVGuide magazine cost?
[19:44:56] GreyFoxx: just: I like that last one with the rss icon in it
[19:45:29] justinh: I think the red might be too similar to a trademarked logo though
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[19:46:27] wagnerrp: well if you had digital, (in theory) you could get by with just the EPG data
[19:47:16] SirFunk: yeh, i don't think i have digital :-P
[19:47:30] SirFunk: i'm in an apartment
[19:47:58] ReikoShea: ive got digital
[19:48:02] ReikoShea: in a tx apt
[19:48:38] SirFunk: i don't pay for the cable, it's just there :-P
[19:48:41] justinh: chuckle. somebody looking to replace a police interview room recorder with mythtv. actually, SHUDDER, not chuckle
[19:48:45] SirFunk: and i dont' have a reciever
[19:48:55] ReikoShea: no receiver = analog
[19:48:56] ReikoShea: my bad
[19:49:05] ReikoShea: well usually anyway
[19:49:18] SirFunk: there's only one ota channel i'd get her e:-P
[19:49:19] wagnerrp: if you have cable, you probably have digital cable
[19:49:21] SirFunk: not worth an antennae
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[19:49:42] wagnerrp: you can grab clear QAM without a subscription
[19:49:59] wagnerrp: well, real cable anyway
[19:50:00] SirFunk: i wonder what clear QAM i'd have
[19:50:09] wagnerrp: i dont know if campus cable would do that
[19:56:38] justinh: when I was a student we didn't have TV. life was way too busy :)
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[20:02:20] florian: Hi! I have problems deleting a schedule with mythweb
[20:02:33] florian: when i say "don't record" or "never record" the schedule is not removed
[20:02:55] justinh: wooo looky looky: http://www.reel-multimedia.com/en/extension_l . . . rumfang.html
[20:03:12] wagnerrp: youre probably telling a single episode not to record, rather than the actual schedule
[20:03:56] florian: So what do i have to click? :-)
[20:04:18] justinh: go to 'recording schedules' in mythweb
[20:04:52] florian: Ok
[20:05:09] justinh: then click on the show you no longer want to record, and then select the 'cancel this schedule' option
[20:06:18] florian: Ok, i selected this option. Now "update Recording Settings"?
[20:06:37] justinh: aye aye cap'n
[20:07:38] wagnerrp: is it me, or does it look like that card would stick out the back of the computer
[20:07:45] justinh: wagnerrp: lol
[20:07:48] wagnerrp: it looks too long
[20:07:53] justinh: full-size ftw!
[20:08:01] florian: Ok, this schedule is removed. But in "Upcoming Recordings" i have a lot of entries (green with dotted borders)
[20:08:13] wagnerrp: i mean, it looks like they made it too long, on the wrong side of the PCI slot
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[20:09:27] justinh: bah it still only goes up to 1080i h.264 AVC
[20:10:18] wagnerrp: i guess its just awkwardly drawn
[20:11:06] justinh: roflmao.. "Due to its space-saving low profile format,..."
[20:11:16] florian: Now i got strange behaviours
[20:11:24] justinh: maybe it's the wrong picture
[20:11:29] wagnerrp: well it is low profile, and it doesnt look any longer than a mid-range video card
[20:11:41] florian: when i try to reactivate such a green record, mythtv exits with an error message
[20:11:44] wagnerrp: look in the product images
[20:11:57] florian: not mythtv, mythweb :-)
[20:12:01] wagnerrp: they have a top down video, without any funky perspective
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[20:12:10] wagnerrp: its actually a fairly small card
[20:12:28] florian: oh, after restarting the backend the recording-list is empty
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[20:12:55] wagnerrp: however, for $350, i could just build a full machine, with a processor capable of HD h.264 playback, and make it pretty damn quiet while im at it
[20:13:11] justinh: florian: try restarting mythbackend with --resched
[20:13:24] wagnerrp: and it would be more functional, since it would have a full video card
[20:13:29] florian: i did a /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart
[20:13:35] florian: mythtv-backend
[20:14:13] wagnerrp: it doesnt say anything about audio decoding either
[20:16:04] johnf1911: hmm, gbees idea was interesting
[20:16:19] johnf1911: but, unfortunately, the directory is properly selected
[20:16:40] johnf1911: I've now watched a recording on the frontend running on the backend
[20:16:48] johnf1911: then attempted to view the same video from the frontend
[20:16:53] johnf1911: the remote frontend that is
[20:16:57] johnf1911: still get a black screen
[20:17:04] johnf1911: but I have some lovely carefully annoted logs
[20:17:32] troldrik: full logs prease
[20:17:43] johnf1911: yes yes
[20:17:53] justinh: florian: check your database isn't corrupted
[20:18:58] johnf1911: http://paste2.org/p/64267
[20:19:11] johnf1911: the little *** entreies
[20:19:22] Goga777: justinh, ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3 – The Essential Home Theater PC Card
[20:19:22] Goga777: http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=11638
[20:19:23] johnf1911: are things I echo'd into the log as I did stuff
[20:19:26] justinh: whoah that's a beastie! http://www.reel-multimedia.com/en/netceiver_produktfotos.html
[20:19:35] florian: justinh: how to check?
[20:20:39] Goga777: Xonar HDAVI – 100$
[20:20:53] justinh: Goga777: eew. says nothing about HD decoding either
[20:21:07] Goga777: why ?
[20:21:11] Goga777: there's
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[20:21:45] justinh: oh and no linux drivers
[20:23:00] Goga777: By closely working with ArcSoft´s Total Media Theater, ASUS´ Xonar HDAV1.3 is capable of decoding Blu-ray movies and takes full advantage of lossless digital audio formats such as Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™ for professional, high-fidelity sounds at 24bit, 96–192Khz. The PCI Express based Xonar HDAV1.3 is designed from the ground up for next generation home theater PCs (HTPC); and is equipped with the proprietary AV200 audio proce
[20:23:01] Goga777: ssor and HDMI1.3a certified Splendid HD video processor – making it capable of delivering the highest quality 7.1 channel 192K linear pulse code modulation (LPCM) audio and high definition video through the HDMI port.
[20:23:05] justinh: why anybody would want to decode HD audio into analogue is beyond fathoming too. let the AV receiver do that
[20:23:14] justinh: Goga777: marketing BS
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[20:23:46] Goga777: concerning linux drivers
[20:23:49] Goga777: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /042339.html
[20:24:04] justinh: florian: mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p$THEPASSWORD mythconverg
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[20:26:21] justinh: Goga777: they don't mention that card. no dice
[20:27:38] justinh: but – it's not all bad news. at least non-GPU hardware decoding is on the way
[20:28:19] justinh: wonder how bad a 1080p UI is in a framebuffer though...
[20:29:03] Goga777: did you read the opinion about eHD from Reelmultimedia ?
[20:31:30] florian: justinh: everything ok :-). Thank you!
[20:32:36] justinh: Goga777: I stand corrected. Working with ffmpeg directly. FLIP ! :-O
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[20:33:16] justinh: Goga777: thanks for that, man :)
[20:33:37] Goga777: ok
[20:33:55] Goga777: do you want to read the opinion about eHD card ?
[20:33:58] justinh: anyway, the product webpage is mostly marketing BS. read between the lines & realise it decodes HD video & audio in hardware
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[20:35:54] johnf1911: I found the cause of my worthless fucking problem
[20:35:59] johnf1911: the time on the remote frontend was wrong
[20:36:10] johnf1911: how this could cause such a catastrophic breakdown I will never know
[20:36:11] wagnerrp: you said the times were wrong
[20:36:15] johnf1911: well, actually, I do know
[20:36:29] johnf1911: yes, I didn't realise having the wrong time meant that it would not be able to play recordings
[20:37:06] wagnerrp: well AFAIK, only the backends need to be synced
[20:37:17] johnf1911: yeah, apparently not
[20:37:22] justinh: Goga777: sorry I was skimming & missed the comment about the other card not doing AVC1, 1080p & the rest
[20:37:45] johnf1911: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/333216
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[20:38:35] Goga777: justdave, eHD card it's card about which you posted link on RMM site
[20:38:56] Goga777: justinh, eHD card it's card about which you posted link on RMM site
[20:39:14] justdave: autocomplete strikes again :)
[20:41:05] Goga777: photo for eHD card
[20:41:08] Goga777: http://smue.org/gallery/v/vdr/reelhd_card/
[20:43:50] Goga777: discussion about eHD //www.mail-archive.com/vdr@linuxtv.org/msg07083.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/vdr@linuxtv.org/msg07083.html
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[20:51:22] rstory: hi.. my mythtv box rebooted after a power loss, and now it's recorded programs and upcoming programs lists are both empty...
[20:51:33] rstory: any ideas on what could cause that, and how to recover?
[20:51:53] wagnerrp: you trashed your sql database while it was trying to write to it
[20:52:10] wagnerrp: look up instructions on recovering a mysql database
[20:52:54] rstory: you mean any old generic myslq instructions, right? nothing myth specific...
[20:53:10] wagnerrp: nothing specific
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[20:53:33] wagnerrp: the other problem may be that your disks need to be fsck'd, and thus have not yet been mounted
[20:53:51] wagnerrp: although that wouldnt have affected upcoming programs
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[20:54:06] rstory: check that.. all partitions are mounted..
[20:54:10] rstory: checked
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[21:01:25] rstory: tah-dah.. all is back to normal.. thanks wagnerrp
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[22:19:26] quentusrex: Hello
[22:20:05] quentusrex: For some reasons when I tell mythtv to play an avi that has 6 channel surround sound, mythtv only outputs stereo sound. But when I play a DVD it plays full 6 channels.
[22:20:25] quentusrex: I know the avi has 5.1 channels, because when I open the file in vlc player it shows me all the channels....
[22:20:47] Dagmar: That would be the LSD showing you sound.
[22:20:49] Dagmar: Not VLC.
[22:21:03] quentusrex: lsd?
[22:21:23] quentusrex: linux sound device? or something?
[22:21:25] Dagmar: Yeah it's a theming application.
[22:21:49] Dagmar: It makes all the windows a bit wobbly and changes their colors randomly.
[22:22:14] quentusrex: No, I'm saying that my receiver that is connected to my mythtv front end box shows me how many channels are being output from the box.
[22:22:24] quentusrex: I have a Devon 2808 receiver.
[22:22:36] quentusrex: and I've opened the avi with vlc, to check the number of channels.
[22:22:50] Dagmar: So check the audio properites page in the frontend setup
[22:23:10] quentusrex: but what ever mythtv uses to play avi files from the video library down converts the audio...
[22:23:14] quentusrex: I'll check.
[22:23:20] Dagmar: For a 5.1 audio track, ALSA *should* be using the surround51 output profile, but you *might* have it just set to Stereo on that
[22:24:17] ajh: Yay, sold the house... unfortunately the new home office will be about 25x as big so I'll need new speakers. :)
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[22:27:17] quentusrex: Dagmar, It doesn't matter what I set it to.
[22:27:20] quentusrex: it still doesn't work
[22:27:37] quentusrex: I've tried default, surround51, mixed-digital, etc.
[22:27:43] quentusrex: all of them output stereo
[22:28:00] quentusrex: but MythDVD plays 5.1 channels just fine...
[22:28:44] Dagmar: Well here's a hint... it's definitely NOT going to work if you set that to some random setting
[22:37:49] quentusrex: I tried all the settings
[22:37:57] quentusrex: it is as if the settings don't matter...
[22:38:03] quentusrex: like they are overridden somewhere...
[22:38:43] quentusrex: everything still was output over the spdif optical connection in stereo, when played as an avi. but if I put a DVD in the drive and played that, it worked.
[22:38:46] Dagmar: Set it to surround51 or whatever behaves correctly when you run `speaker-test -twav -c6 -Dsurround51`
[22:39:04] Dagmar: Yeah that's an important something to leave out
[22:39:25] Dagmar: Optical can do nothing other than stereo without Dolby encoding.
[22:39:33] Dagmar: Guess what's patented
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[22:41:07] Dagmar: If it's not already in Dolby (because it will likely be on a DVD) then Myth can't easily convert it to a Dolby stream
[22:41:21] Dagmar: ...and ALSA sure as hell won't on it's own.
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[22:41:58] Dagmar: ON the wiki I'm somewhat sure it says how to make Myth point straight at the optical output device, which is the only way you're going to get around this afaik
[22:42:10] Dagmar: ALSA:default as the output isn't likely tow ork
[22:43:00] ajh: Those 3Ware Sidecars are actually on for 1/3rd the original price, and do 200M/sec raid5 reads and 150M/sec raid 5 writes if anyone's interested.
[22:43:26] Dagmar: So, how much is 1/3 of "OMG"
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[22:43:56] ajh: 382 USD including cabling and a PCIe controller.
[22:44:00] Dagmar: I'm like sort of interested
[22:44:05] Dagmar: Ah that's whta I figured
[22:44:13] ajh: Given what I've paid for raid controllers in the past, it's a deal.
[22:44:20] Dagmar: Still a bit too pricey for me
[22:44:40] ajh: After reading the reviews on the Lacie I bought I'm eagar to get my data off it.
[22:44:40] Dagmar: Considering what I pay for motherboards and CPUs, spending that much on a RAID controller would be crazy
[22:44:44] Dagmar: My data just ain't that important
[22:44:57] Dagmar: I back up immediately what it would bother me to lose.
[22:45:07] ajh: I see it as long-term investment, I've kept raid controllers through 5 generations of systems before.
[22:45:35] Dagmar: I'm kinda expecting we'll see a radical paradigm shift in storage technology before you can "use up" that one
[22:45:40] ajh: That and I keep filling the 1+0 in the macpro and it generates a ton of heat.
[22:46:04] ajh: You'd think that, but I have 92 hours of hd video to process.
[22:46:10] Dagmar: 8y from now some AI will probably blurt out "God you guys are stupid... Build THIS" and spew out detailed instructions for holographic storage
[22:46:37] ajh: Yeah, but can't exactly stop working for 8y.
[22:46:47] ajh: and we've had optical processors since what, 1988?
[22:46:55] Dagmar: Hmm... 92 hours of HD. Your job must be fun
[22:46:56] Dagmar: heh
[22:47:03] ajh: My job is random.
[22:47:28] ajh: but after copying 600G onto this lacie taking almost a day...
[22:47:48] ajh: Oops, got a barbq to be at 10 minutes ago! :)
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[23:08:34] rdvon: does the ati tv wonder elite work under myth tv/
[23:08:57] rdvon: and if so, are there any free subscription services for downloading free program guides?
[23:09:56] GreyFoxx: no idea about the card
[23:10:06] GreyFoxx: but no free subscription services for listings
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[23:10:47] GreyFoxx: there are screen scrapers, but they can be problematic :)
[23:11:14] rdvon: Hmm.. because media portal has some free epg plugins
[23:11:29] GreyFoxx: likely screenscraping websites
[23:11:41] rdvon: how are they problematic?
[23:11:56] GreyFoxx: if the site changes, the scraper breaks
[23:12:22] rdvon: ah.
[23:12:39] GreyFoxx: for the $20 Schedulesdirect is worth it imho
[23:13:29] rdvon: Well, If the card works then I was thinking of using mythtv as a backend.
[23:13:43] rdvon: one last question, can media portal be used as a frontend to mythtv?
[23:13:57] GreyFoxx: as long as the card is supported with the regular v4l linuxtv drivers it would work with myth
[23:14:03] LanUser: Hello – is it possible to point MythVideo to a folder of full DVD backups as opposed to a folder of single video files?
[23:14:14] GreyFoxx: rdv: no, other than playing via a share
[23:14:30] GreyFoxx: mediaport doesn't integrate/communicate with myth
[23:14:33] rdvon: ah well, no myth for me then :P
[23:14:45] GreyFoxx: Lan: Sure
[23:16:17] rdvon: why, exactly, did zap2it discontinue their service?
[23:16:58] GreyFoxx: people using it in commercial apps, and some "charging" customers wfor the free service
[23:17:09] GreyFoxx: basically some a$$holes ruined it for everyone
[23:17:15] GreyFoxx: they were asked to stop
[23:17:53] GreyFoxx: and finally they decided that with that going on it wasnt worth their time effort and bandwidth especially with upcoming dastabase changes which would have required them to do work on it
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[23:22:17] rdvon: Heh, #mediaportal is pretty quite.
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[23:22:19] rdvon: *quiet
[23:22:28] rdvon: how does this epg grabber look? http://www.team-mediaportal.com/files/Downloa . . . V/O2grabber/
[23:22:39] rdvon: dang, not usa
[23:23:15] GreyFoxx: having only looked at a coujple media portal screenshots I wouldn't know :)
[23:23:21] GreyFoxx: well that would be a problem heh
[23:24:50] ** iamlindoro thinks greyfoxx is too forthcoming about telling people about scrapers ;) **
[23:25:02] GreyFoxx: heh
[23:25:52] GreyFoxx: My Nanny passed away yesterday, so if I am not distracting myself I'm upset....so Im distracting myself :)
[23:27:06] iamlindoro: :( I am sorry
[23:27:18] GreyFoxx: thanks
[23:28:31] iamlindoro: LanUser, to followup what Greyfoxx said earlie, Myth considers any folder containing a VIDEO_TS to be a single title, ie My_Filthy_porn/VIDEO_TS will simply show up as "My Filthy Porn" in Video manager
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[23:29:25] rdvon: Do I really need an extended membership from schedules direct?
[23:30:04] iamlindoro: only if you want listings for an extended period of time
[23:30:09] GreyFoxx: "extended" ?
[23:30:17] GreyFoxx: As opposed to what ?
[23:30:35] rdvon: Nevermind, dumb question
[23:30:53] rdvon: I just logged in, didn't realize i was on a 7 day free trial
[23:30:59] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[23:31:19] GreyFoxx: yeah, people get 7 days to evaluate itand decide if they want to subscribe
[23:33:50] iamlindoro: I told my ladytype that I had plans and couldn't get together tonight. My plans are to hammer out a theme. Wonder if this indicates warped priorities
[23:34:32] GreyFoxx: heh
[23:35:12] iamlindoro: I need to stop getting five hours into it and nuking it
[23:35:21] iamlindoro: and work through the times when I start to detest it
[23:36:34] rdvon: aha! I found a web epg plugin that looks suitable for what I need!
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[23:41:25] rdvon: No channel logos though, does schedules direct do that?
[23:41:31] iamlindoro: yes
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[23:52:25] iamlindoro: killall freenode
[23:54:20] dustybin: if you swap around PCI cards on the bus, does it make any difference on a linux box? i seem to remember problems doing that on windows
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[23:56:19] iamlindoro: It won't matter in terms of functionality, but can sometimes help solve little IRQ problems
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[23:56:48] dustybin: iamlindoro: i need to make some air space, my AGP graphics card is but right next to my sound card
[23:57:00] dustybin: need to swap my soundcard with a low profile NIC to make some air
[23:57:08] iamlindoro: should be no problem
[23:57:12] dustybin: ace
[23:57:57] dustybin: iamlindoro: i bought that little HP box on ebay, 50 squid
[23:58:11] dustybin: should arrive sometimes next week
[23:58:51] iamlindoro: so it begins
[23:59:26] ** iamlindoro goes back to working on what will surely be Myth's most hoity-toity theme **
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