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| [00:03:36] | chasep: | is there no way to enable PIP showing live TV while watching a recorded program? |
| [00:07:16] | iamlindoro: | None that I know of (as they are seperate functions entirely) |
| [00:09:20] | kormoc: | don't think so |
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| [00:10:12] | chasep: | yea, I found tons of people asking about it online, but no definitive answers (although, 'dont think s' was the general consensus) |
| [00:10:49] | chasep: | well, it took 6+ months, but I've finally found something myth-tv can't do |
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| [00:12:06] | iamlindoro: | Not a b\ad run |
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| [00:12:32] | iamlindoro: | most people seem to find something in the first five seconds, and proceed to spend five hours bitching about it ;) |
| [00:14:19] | iamlindoro: | Usually rhymes with "Why I can't download my filezzzzzz?" |
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| [00:22:50] | chasep: | iamlindoro: eh, well, I guess there were some things I tried that didn't work, most of the time though it was something I PROBABLY could have got working, but didn't feel like spending the time |
| [00:23:18] | chasep: | I'm still in awe of how it will rearrange recordings in order to avoid conflicts and record things on the better input |
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| [00:25:52] | chasep: | mythtv: "Hey, I see you have three shows scheduled to record at the same time. Don't worry, I found where one of them is being re-aired this weekend, I'll record that one instead"....Me: "thank you mythtv, can I have your babies?" |
| [00:27:02] | iamlindoro: | I love that too |
| [00:27:31] | iamlindoro: | Control of priorities (channel, tuner, show, etc) is very granular in myth indeed |
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| [00:30:05] | chasep: | one of my inputs gets more channels than the other. I created two lineups in schedules direct, and mythtv is smart enough to know what can be move to another input, and what can't |
| [00:31:13] | chasep: | I'm a software developer, so programs don't awe me as much as some people, because I know what you can make them do...but for a free, user supported program, I really do get amazed sometimes |
| [00:32:53] | iamlindoro: | Oof, speaking of which, anyone know why, when I have two tuners in one Input Group, when I *specifically* tell it to use one as the preferred input, it uses the other all the freaking time, even though both are idle? |
| [00:33:34] | ajh: | It gets worse for me, sometimes I get stuck on an untunable channel and can't switch inputs, the only way to get off the channel is to delete it. |
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| [00:41:31] | my2keh: | ok this doesn't make sense |
| [00:41:44] | my2keh: | in Maryland, they are getting dogs to sniff out cell phones in prison |
| [00:41:49] | iamlindoro: | Gah, something is certainly amiss here-- I *cannot* get it to take preferred input that I specify |
| [00:41:52] | my2keh: | to ensure they don't make calls |
| [00:42:02] | my2keh: | why not just put up a signal blocker? voila! |
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| [00:42:22] | my2keh: | it's not even my tax dollars and it bugs me |
| [00:42:39] | iamlindoro: | Because they interfere with the radios they need to use |
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| [00:43:29] | my2keh: | that could be a point |
| [00:48:14] | ** iamlindoro thinks about building the GSoC ffmpeg branch to play with the new multithread stuff ** | |
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| [00:51:21] | Shodan: | remeber to use logrotate kids |
| [00:51:22] | Shodan: | helios / # ls -lsh /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [00:51:22] | Shodan: | 121G -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 121G Aug 18 20:48 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [00:51:25] | Shodan: | hehehe |
| [00:58:06] | my2keh: | nicely done |
| [01:00:45] | insta: | :| |
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| [01:11:18] | clever: | my2keh: how does the dog even smell the phone? |
| [01:12:20] | iamlindoro: | Those dogs can smell *anything* |
| [01:12:30] | my2keh: | each object has a unique signature |
| [01:12:36] | my2keh: | so says the article |
| [01:13:15] | iamlindoro: | Having worked with narcotics-tracking dogs, It's no joke, those dogs are AMAZING |
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| [01:13:38] | my2keh: | i still say there has to be a jammer that blocks cell not radio signals |
| [01:13:49] | clever: | i can understand how they can smell drugs but a cellphne? |
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| [01:14:04] | iamlindoro: | clever, All those PCBs and plastics outgas in a pretty major way |
| [01:14:15] | clever: | ah |
| [01:14:22] | my2keh: | go get your cell and smell it |
| [01:14:27] | my2keh: | i bet it smells like something |
| [01:14:44] | iamlindoro: | I'll tell you what prison cell phones smell like |
| [01:14:46] | iamlindoro: | rectum |
| [01:14:53] | my2keh: | lol |
| [01:14:57] | clever: | and warm computer hardware does have a uniq smell:P |
| [01:14:59] | iamlindoro: | or as we like to call it, "the prison wallet." |
| [01:15:04] | hatchmt: | So the other day I deleted a channel that I had no intention of ever watching (foreign language), but when mythfilldatabase ran, it re-added it from the lineup. Is this preventable? |
| [01:15:09] | my2keh: | cock meat sandwhich time! |
| [01:15:11] | my2keh: | ha |
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| [01:15:31] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at my2keh ** | |
| [01:15:33] | iamlindoro: | hatchmt, remove it from the listings source and myth, and it will stay gone |
| [01:15:37] | clever: | hatchmt: i allways delete it from schedules direct first |
| [01:15:42] | my2keh: | Harold And Kumar |
| [01:15:44] | my2keh: | never saw it? |
| [01:15:51] | my2keh: | escape from Guantanamo Bay |
| [01:15:55] | kormoc: | don't remember that... |
| [01:16:03] | my2keh: | In the prison... |
| [01:16:09] | my2keh: | why are all the prison guards gay? |
| [01:16:09] | clever: | my2keh: im watching that right now:P |
| [01:16:15] | my2keh: | Nothing gay about getting ur dick sucked |
| [01:16:16] | my2keh: | lol |
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| [01:16:54] | my2keh: | the best part is when they are smoking weed with Bush |
| [01:17:05] | my2keh: | the hypocritical thing |
| [01:17:10] | clever: | my2keh: they where just in bed with a giant bag of weed:P |
| [01:17:12] | kormoc: | way to be a family friendly channel |
| [01:17:21] | clever: | now theres a cyclops in the bed |
| [01:17:35] | my2keh: | lol |
| [01:17:44] | clever: | kormoc: i never said what they where doing to the bag:P |
| [01:18:25] | my2keh: | haha |
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| [01:18:59] | my2keh: | Anyone here eat tostito chips? |
| [01:19:24] | my2keh: | Good quick little things you can do with them http://www.tostitos.ca/en/find.php |
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| [01:23:53] | hatchmt: | thanks, iamlindoro and clever — I hadn't realized I could disable channels on the feed itself. |
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| [01:44:59] | Coded1: | is there a myth plugin that downloads torrents ? |
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| [01:46:05] | cesman: | Coded1: no official |
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| [01:46:25] | cesman: | Coded1: for various reasons, discussion about torrents in the channel is frowned upon |
| [01:46:29] | wagnerrp: | one exists... but you have to use mythtv 0.11 for it to be compatible |
| [01:46:36] | cesman: | Coded1: google is your friend |
| [01:46:37] | Coded1: | ahhh i c |
| [01:46:40] | Coded1: | np |
| [01:47:06] | Coded1: | anyone have experience with writing plugins? |
| [01:47:23] | Coded1: | maybe give me an idea of how much trouble im going to get into |
| [01:47:25] | Coded1: | :) |
| [01:47:36] | cesman: | there is a wiki entry on getting started |
| [01:47:56] | wagnerrp: | youre likely going to get told not to |
| [01:48:13] | cesman: | you can write a plugin for whatever you want |
| [01:48:27] | Coded1: | whats so bad about plugins? |
| [01:48:30] | cesman: | just don't expect a warm reception if you choose to write one for torrents |
| [01:48:54] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing wrong with plugins, the devs just dont like the legal issues that get brought along with torrents |
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| [01:49:14] | wagnerrp: | again, theres nothing wrong with torrents, but it brings a connotation of media piracy |
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| [01:49:46] | cesman: | right |
| [01:50:05] | wagnerrp: | people dont like what mythtv does, and mythtv doesnt have the funds to go against frivolous lawsuits |
| [01:50:17] | wagnerrp: | so its just best to try to avoid the whole issue |
| [01:50:40] | wagnerrp: | (we're little wussy girly men) |
| [01:50:47] | Coded1: | if its a 3rd party homebrew it shouldn't be that bad, but of course thats only if one gets written :) |
| [01:50:56] | Coded1: | which would never happen |
| [01:51:00] | my2keh: | lol |
| [01:51:03] | Coded1: | cause of legalities of course |
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| [01:51:44] | my2keh: | Is there a way in myth to set something to record even though it's not in the guide yet (and you don't know the date/time)? |
| [01:52:34] | wagnerrp: | there used to be something called mythwishlist that i believe was for that purpose |
| [01:53:00] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [01:53:02] | cesman: | you can do a manual record but I don't know if it will do what you want |
| [01:53:12] | cesman: | manual recording |
| [01:53:18] | my2keh: | technically I could |
| [01:53:26] | my2keh: | but let's pretend I'm lazy (not hard) |
| [01:53:34] | cesman: | I've only scheduled it once myself |
| [01:53:38] | my2keh: | but I only know the name of the show...not the date/time of it's airing |
| [01:53:59] | cesman: | investigate manual recording |
| [01:54:34] | my2keh: | well it fails right off the bat |
| [01:54:39] | my2keh: | it asks for Channel |
| [01:55:16] | Coded1: | how about watching youtube and other online video? |
| [01:55:24] | cesman: | and if you scroll thru the channels, is there a 'any channel'? |
| [01:55:47] | my2keh: | no 'any channel' |
| [01:56:12] | my2keh: | oh wait |
| [01:56:18] | my2keh: | well mythweb doesn't have it |
| [01:56:23] | my2keh: | but the gui seems to be better |
| [01:57:01] | my2keh: | that'll do it |
| [01:57:20] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: there IS a youtube plugin |
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| [01:57:40] | my2keh: | this is actually pretty neat |
| [01:57:41] | wagnerrp: | however it currently only exists for mythtv 0.22/qt4 |
| [01:58:31] | my2keh: | pretty detailed...not very user friendly though |
| [01:58:32] | my2keh: | but still |
| [01:59:40] | my2keh: | wierd..trying to do program.title LIKE '%90210%' |
| [01:59:44] | my2keh: | won't let me put in the 0 |
| [02:00:11] | my2keh: | I must be doing something wrong |
| [02:00:31] | my2keh: | it's like using a cell phone...I don't like it |
| [02:00:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you're trying to record 90210 |
| [02:00:50] | my2keh: | right |
| [02:01:28] | my2keh: | it's like sending a text message on my cell phone. I push "9", it gives me [wxyz90 |
| [02:01:34] | my2keh: | why not just give me 9 |
| [02:01:35] | my2keh: | lol |
| [02:04:06] | my2keh: | maybe doing this while drinking wine is not a good idea |
| [02:05:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah... too bad mythtv doesnt have that 'quantum typing' you see on some phones |
| [02:06:33] | my2keh: | or just type what I say |
| [02:06:39] | my2keh: | err rather what I type :) |
| [02:07:10] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, You asked how the projector looked during the daytime, and I was looking to do some new photos of the new setup, so here: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 048223_xqpEA |
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| [02:08:17] | wagnerrp: | well the 'quantum typing' being where a keypress exists as all possible letters, until it collapses down to a single word possibility |
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| [02:08:25] | wagnerrp: | of course that only works with dictionary words, not names |
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| [02:09:21] | PatrickDK: | hmm, look at all the pretty lights :) |
| [02:09:32] | H3: | iamlindoro, what osd theme is that? |
| [02:09:33] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you bought those external drives just for the pretty led's right? |
| [02:10:05] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK, Those are now only there to dump things between two RAIDS, they will be gone fairly soon, but I couldn't wait on the pictures :) |
| [02:10:41] | iamlindoro: | H3, Think that's just blootube-osd |
| [02:10:55] | H3: | oh, hmm |
| [02:11:26] | my2keh: | iamlindoro>> |
| [02:11:31] | my2keh: | you can do something similar to my setup http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/YW84U/IMG_5153.jpg |
| [02:11:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i cant imagine you get very good reception on that dish |
| [02:11:35] | iamlindoro: | For all the effort I put into building the TV area, I spend a relatively small amount of my TV time there |
| [02:11:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, It's just a normal dishnet dish, but I don't use it at all |
| [02:11:49] | my2keh: | http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/YW84U/IMG_0347.jpg |
| [02:12:13] | iamlindoro: | Not without giving up the living room aspect of things I can't ;) |
| [02:12:33] | my2keh: | well this part then: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/YW84U/IMG_5304.jpg |
| [02:12:50] | iamlindoro: | Not without another job I can't |
| [02:13:09] | my2keh: | custom made! |
| [02:13:16] | my2keh: | if you have some sheet metal |
| [02:13:19] | my2keh: | and a dremel |
| [02:13:33] | PatrickDK: | I dislike my equipment mounted like that |
| [02:13:33] | my2keh: | champagne taste on a beer budget |
| [02:13:35] | my2keh: | lol |
| [02:13:41] | PatrickDK: | all the led's distract me from the movie |
| [02:13:53] | my2keh: | PatrickDK>> it's at the back |
| [02:13:58] | iamlindoro: | Bah, I'm satisfied with my wire closet. The point isn't to show it off for me, it's to make people think I'm NOT a huge computer nerd |
| [02:14:02] | ajh: | The useful thing is being able to vent the heat. |
| [02:14:29] | my2keh: | I like to show off my nerdiness, because people know I'm a nerd ..lol |
| [02:14:36] | iamlindoro: | I like to be able to sit on my couch, fire up the PS3, and neither hear nor see equipment, the end :) |
| [02:14:45] | PatrickDK: | the more useful thing is to supply a cold air vent into the closet, or install a return vent to suck out the heat |
| [02:15:22] | PatrickDK: | return would be better, but normally harder to do |
| [02:15:26] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK, It's actually remarkably cool in there-- thought I'd have more issues, but nothing so far-- probably only about 75 in there after a night of transcoding, etc. |
| [02:15:30] | my2keh: | I actually did a vent to take the heat out, and direct it to the house: |
| [02:15:30] | my2keh: | http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/YW84U/IMG_2979.jpg |
| [02:16:03] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you have most of your heat generating equipment on the floor, that helps |
| [02:16:07] | my2keh: | this is pre-vent of course |
| [02:16:17] | PatrickDK: | and it looks like the closet is mostly empty still :) |
| [02:16:54] | my2keh: | I like the plug on the ceiling |
| [02:16:58] | PatrickDK: | my2keh, one small vent :) |
| [02:16:59] | iamlindoro: | yeah... I think I was so tired from running the cabling that I just wanted it all WORKING... maybe I'll get ambitious and clean things up at some point, but for now, it's working, it's hidden and silent, and that's enough for me |
| [02:17:16] | iamlindoro: | Hey, nothing wrong with the plug on the ceiling |
| [02:17:36] | PatrickDK: | I have my plug on the ceiling too, for my bedroom wallmounted lcd |
| [02:17:39] | my2keh: | It's great placement |
| [02:17:53] | my2keh: | how's the receiption on the dish in picture #8? hehe |
| [02:18:10] | iamlindoro: | only ok, but be misaligned |
| [02:18:13] | iamlindoro: | er must be |
| [02:18:19] | wagnerrp: | in the classrooms at school, they just run the wires through some flexible mesh conduit to hide them going from the projector to the ceiling |
| [02:18:34] | wagnerrp: | probably take about 3 minutes, cost $5-$10 |
| [02:18:37] | my2keh: | do you have 2 projects in this space? |
| [02:18:48] | iamlindoro: | my2keh, what do you mean? |
| [02:18:53] | my2keh: | wagnerrp>> you can get it from most auto supply stores |
| [02:19:24] | my2keh: | iamlindoro>> in picture #8 in the distance I see a light on the ceiling? Looks like another projector? |
| [02:19:41] | my2keh: | right accross from the speaker |
| [02:19:59] | iamlindoro: | same projector, that's a mirror |
| [02:20:06] | my2keh: | HA |
| [02:20:09] | my2keh: | fooled me |
| [02:20:16] | wagnerrp: | i guess with the wireless controllers for xbox and wii, they work without any effort? |
| [02:20:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yeah... and PS3 too |
| [02:20:34] | my2keh: | great floors btw |
| [02:20:36] | iamlindoro: | Just need the wireless Wii bar |
| [02:20:53] | PatrickDK: | and your piping the ps3/wii/xbox though myth right? :) |
| [02:20:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, i dont see the ps3 on the old rack, but then i dont see the xbox on the new rack |
| [02:21:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Xbox moved upstairs, PS3 moved down :) |
| [02:21:39] | iamlindoro: | There's space enough for it to go back in, but sometimes I just don't want to turn on the projector and fire it all up for a quick game, ya know? |
| [02:21:51] | wagnerrp: | out of games on the xbox |
| [02:21:59] | wagnerrp: | so you cycled the PS3 in? |
| [02:22:38] | iamlindoro: | I play the 360 the most, but the most casually too, so the LCD upstairs is good for that, I can squeeze in a quick game |
| [02:23:04] | iamlindoro: | my2keh, The floors are probably pretty cheap, but hey, I'm a young bachelor, it's classier than most of my college buddies :) |
| [02:23:45] | iamlindoro: | I juuuuuust got that new 8 port cable amp on the advice of mkrufky, and it is freaking AWESOME |
| [02:24:00] | my2keh: | The best is the stuff that looks great and is cheap :) |
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| [02:25:36] | my2keh: | ahhh bachelor...those were the days |
| [02:25:37] | my2keh: | lol |
| [02:25:49] | iamlindoro: | The "can't afford a theatre room" days? ;) |
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| [02:26:15] | my2keh: | each days have their own perks :) |
| [02:26:21] | iamlindoro: | I make do with what I've got, and I think it's pretty ok. Someday I'll have the dough for a setup like you've got, but for now, for a single person in a house, it's good enough for having folks over to watch a game |
| [02:26:54] | my2keh: | I spend a lot of time at home with my boys...and I enjoy doing this type of work...so I figured why not :) |
| [02:27:12] | iamlindoro: | Naw, no argument here-- just neither the space nor the $$ for it personally yet |
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| [02:27:32] | iamlindoro: | I like doing the work, personally, so I see the attraction in building the room from scratch |
| [02:27:35] | my2keh: | different strokes for different folks! |
| [02:27:47] | PatrickDK: | soon will come the day that iamlindoro buys a house based on how much theatre room he can put in it :) |
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| [02:27:59] | my2keh: | ssshhhh women might hear you |
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| [02:28:00] | my2keh: | lol |
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| [02:28:30] | iamlindoro: | Hey, who among us (especially here) wouldn't look at a place and think, "hmmmmm, the seats could go here...." |
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| [02:28:59] | PatrickDK: | 3 car garage conversion? |
| [02:29:15] | my2keh: | that'd rock! |
| [02:29:33] | my2keh: | except for losing the garage |
| [02:29:50] | PatrickDK: | friends of mine got a house with 10 of them |
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| [02:29:58] | PatrickDK: | so they had extra to spare |
| [02:30:01] | my2keh: | 10 car garage? |
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| [02:30:07] | PatrickDK: | kinda |
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| [02:30:13] | PatrickDK: | 2 long ones in the back |
| [02:30:20] | PatrickDK: | 5 next to the house |
| [02:30:22] | PatrickDK: | and 3 attached |
| [02:30:31] | PatrickDK: | the guy that built it was a car freak |
| [02:30:43] | my2keh: | ha...I don't have any friends named Donald Trump myself |
| [02:30:44] | my2keh: | lol |
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| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | i cant see myself ever building a house with theater style seating |
| [02:36:23] | PatrickDK: | I don't care about seating style |
| [02:36:34] | PatrickDK: | as much as I do about accoustics and it being dark |
| [02:38:10] | wagnerrp: | i just dont think i would ever want rows of seats in a house |
| [02:38:25] | wagnerrp: | at most, it would be one row, with a bar and some stools behind it |
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| [02:39:14] | PatrickDK: | I would do a nice large 1/2 circle couch deal |
| [02:39:32] | PatrickDK: | maybe 1/3 circle |
| [02:39:38] | wagnerrp: | thats what im thinking |
| [02:39:49] | wagnerrp: | sunk, so that the back is roughly level with the floor behind it |
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| [02:40:25] | PatrickDK: | the floor behind it is just one big beanbag? |
| [02:40:59] | wagnerrp: | two levels, the upper level would be the bar |
| [02:41:14] | wagnerrp: | about 3' apart |
| [02:41:35] | PatrickDK: | hmm, drunk people falling down, that is a long ways down |
| [02:41:48] | wagnerrp: | but, you fall onto a couch |
| [02:42:08] | weco_: | first time here...hi guys |
| [02:42:51] | ajh_: | I'm just looking at a property with a 3500sqft workshop with a loft, thinking of putting up my 12' fastfold screen and building a couple climbing walls :) |
| [02:43:39] | PatrickDK: | I dunno about watching movies from a climbing wall |
| [02:43:48] | PatrickDK: | unless I can hang in my harness |
| [02:43:53] | ajh_: | Well, more bouldering :) |
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| [02:46:08] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I wonder if it would help to but an accurate reference clock in a/v hardware |
| [02:46:36] | PatrickDK: | to keep it playing at just the right hz :) down to like 12 decimal places |
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| [02:48:03] | wagnerrp: | you keep wondering that, ive got some $7000 oxygen free speaker cables to sell you |
| [02:48:15] | PatrickDK: | screw that :) |
| [02:48:30] | PatrickDK: | na, it only costs me like $300 to do the modifications |
| [02:48:40] | PatrickDK: | I am doing it to some other equipment I have |
| [02:49:00] | PatrickDK: | only going be using like 4ports of the 8 ports it has |
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| [05:15:16] | clever: | audiooutputbase.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void AudioOutputBase::Reconfigure(const AudioSettings&)’: |
| [05:15:20] | clever: | audiooutputbase.cpp:353: error: ‘codec_id_string’ was not declared in this scope |
| [05:15:25] | clever: | anybody else having that error on ubuntu 8.04? |
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| [05:51:24] | clever: | odd |
| [05:51:32] | clever: | it was the newer ffmpeg headers i had |
| [05:51:40] | clever: | i'll just disable them for now |
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| [08:39:24] | jblack: | Is there still now way to get past encrypted channels? |
| [08:40:35] | directhex: | get a legit CAM from youir service provider |
| [08:41:08] | jblack: | CAM... would that be an acronym for a cable box? |
| [08:41:35] | directhex: | no, it would be an acronym for conditional access module |
| [08:42:06] | MilkBoy: | not so useful if you only have usb tuners :P |
| [08:42:20] | MilkBoy: | like those small ones.. not a box |
| [08:42:27] | directhex: | also not useful if you live in a place only served by CAM-hating content providers |
| [08:42:46] | jblack: | I live in the US. I imagine that's everywhere. |
| [08:43:16] | directhex: | america, being america, refused to use the popular and widespread CAM technology, opting to invent cablecard instead |
| [08:43:46] | MilkBoy: | hehe.. "must...invent...wheel...again..." |
| [08:43:52] | directhex: | your options in yankland are firewire output from a cable box (where possible), or video capture from analog output on a cable box (always possible, but lame in many cases) |
| [08:44:01] | directhex: | MilkBoy, enjoying ATSC? |
| [08:44:18] | jblack: | Actually, as I understand it, they're starting to lock off analog output these days too. |
| [08:44:49] | directhex: | hmm, i thought there was resistance to that, due to the high installed base of TVs without HDMI |
| [08:44:50] | MilkBoy: | directhex: dvb here |
| [08:45:34] | jblack: | why is the FCC allowing this... |
| [08:45:57] | jblack: | That's rhethorical. |
| [08:46:03] | directhex: | you tell me. you're the yank |
| [08:46:39] | jblack: | Ok. Because Mickey mouse has a larger sway over public institutions like the FCC |
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| [08:48:55] | tjcarter: | seriously? |
| [08:49:01] | tjcarter: | Blocking off component? |
| [08:50:33] | directhex: | we get that in a few cases in the UK |
| [08:50:41] | directhex: | on SD channels, would you believe |
| [08:54:40] | tjcarter: | ... |
| [08:55:20] | tjcarter: | Okay, so we definitely need a way to record "unprotected HDMI" (and a good source for HDMI bridges that conveniently forget to include DRM on the output) |
| [08:55:31] | directhex: | the new hd fury 2? |
| [08:55:36] | jblack: | There's worse things in life than no TV. large governments should think twice about whether they want a populace, without a TV, might start actually thinking. |
| [08:56:24] | directhex: | http://www.hdfury.com/ |
| [08:57:19] | tjcarter: | we still need a way to record 1080p non-HDCP =D |
| [08:57:24] | tjcarter: | not for TV mind you, but still |
| [08:57:35] | directhex: | hm, the hd fury converts to vga. got any v4l2 vga capture cards handy? |
| [08:58:26] | jblack: | There may be cards with YUV input? |
| [08:58:58] | tjcarter: | directhex: that'd rock, but it'd have to be a hardware encoder like the USB thingy |
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| [09:01:38] | jblack: | http://www.dveo.com/digital-signage/VGA-MPEG-2-encoder.html |
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| [09:02:45] | jblack: | so, you can escape HDMI, but it'll cost you a few grand? |
| [09:03:37] | directhex: | yes! |
| [09:03:54] | tjcarter: | Does that thing record VGA or just off a VGA port? |
| [09:04:09] | tjcarter: | MPEG2 isn't the thing to be recording 1080p into ;) |
| [09:04:12] | jblack: | No idea. Found it from google. |
| [09:04:24] | jblack: | There's a qam one too. |
| [09:05:00] | jblack: | VGA->IP w/ mpeg2, VGA->DVB, VGA->QAM. |
| [09:05:31] | jblack: | There's a DVB-T one too. |
| [09:05:57] | justinh: | jblack: the hdpvr takes YUV, aka component |
| [09:06:17] | justinh: | oops. it'll output component, that hdfury thingy I think |
| [09:06:46] | tjcarter: | I suppose there's no reason component cannot do 1080p, it just isn't spec'd to do it. |
| [09:07:08] | tjcarter: | you might get some ghosting if you don't have super awesome amazing video cables |
| [09:07:12] | justinh: | o wait I'm talking shite |
| [09:07:42] | justinh: | hdfury to take hdmi – VGa. VGA – component converter. component into hdpvr |
| [09:07:45] | jblack: | So a cable box with an HDFury, with one of those -> QAM boxes -> myth |
| [09:08:00] | jblack: | and double or triple that for multi channel. |
| [09:08:09] | tjcarter: | HDFury will be the first thing blacklisted. |
| [09:08:10] | tjcarter: | of course |
| [09:08:11] | justinh: | anyway, 1080p is purely academic since it's not broadcast anywhere |
| [09:08:17] | tjcarter: | Go ahead Sony, blacklist me. |
| [09:08:23] | tjcarter: | Just go ahead and try it. |
| [09:08:43] | jblack: | justinh: I'm sure they're listing their max, not their min. |
| [09:08:58] | tjcarter: | When your Blu-Ray DVD blacklists my TV so my Blu-Ray player won't talk to it anymore, I'll sue SO FAST |
| [09:09:20] | jblack: | Does HDMI have blacklisting? |
| [09:09:24] | justinh: | tjcarter: you & everybody else |
| [09:09:31] | justinh: | jblack: yeah anything with HDCP can |
| [09:09:39] | tjcarter: | justinh: that's why I think HDCP blacklisting is a paper tiger |
| [09:09:40] | justinh: | that includes windows PCs too |
| [09:10:00] | Maliuta: | this is like the 'buy new digital monitor, lose all you're DRM'd files" with m$ thing isn't it |
| [09:10:02] | justinh: | and cable boxes with it |
| [09:10:37] | jblack: | When people start getting cut off from content that they payed for the right to view... the shit is gonna hit the fan. |
| [09:10:46] | directhex: | jblack, wrong |
| [09:11:00] | directhex: | jblack, there are 2 major cases so far of drm servers killswitches, no shit hit any fans |
| [09:11:02] | jblack: | It's happened so far with drm'ed music. |
| [09:11:08] | directhex: | indeed |
| [09:11:17] | directhex: | and a few people went "waaaaaa" |
| [09:11:18] | jblack: | In both cases, the companies both refunded the money. |
| [09:11:29] | directhex: | no rotary action on excrement |
| [09:11:43] | jblack: | Yeah, because they jumped at returning the money. |
| [09:11:52] | justinh: | swathes of TVs being disabled might be a different matter |
| [09:12:04] | directhex: | it's so very much easier to pass the buck though |
| [09:12:13] | directhex: | if you buy your music from yahoo, and yahoo kills it, blame yahoo |
| [09:12:32] | directhex: | what about if your movies, player, amp, and tv suddenly stop cooperating, on a per-title basis? |
| [09:12:37] | justinh: | see, digital IS better |
| [09:12:42] | justinh: | we own you again! |
| [09:12:46] | justinh: | hahahahhahaha! |
| [09:13:10] | jblack: | I think there's a whole different ballgame, between doing wars on credit, and cutting kids off from Pocahontas. |
| [09:13:25] | tjcarter: | jblack: but Blu-Ray is worse |
| [09:13:29] | directhex: | there's pocahontas on blu-ray? to the amazon machine! |
| [09:13:30] | jblack: | One is distant. The other is a constant nagging whine from the spawn. |
| [09:13:57] | tjcarter: | jblack: Blu-Ray allows a disc to blacklist a given output device so the player won't output to the "rogue device" anymore. |
| [09:14:08] | justinh: | anyway, the fools buying into HDCP capable equipmnent, and those buying bluray.. it's their fault too |
| [09:14:20] | jblack: | And when they start blacklisting walmart TVs, there'll be a big mess. |
| [09:14:34] | justinh: | can you spell class-action lawsuit? |
| [09:14:35] | directhex: | but that's the fun |
| [09:14:37] | directhex: | it's per-title |
| [09:14:50] | directhex: | so one movie stops working with one player-tv combo. who do you blame? |
| [09:15:06] | jblack: | Sure, revocations are shipped per title. that's the way it has to be. |
| [09:15:15] | jblack: | But once a device is revoked, they'd put it on all new titles. |
| [09:15:15] | directhex: | there's no single entity for normal people to scream at |
| [09:15:31] | jblack: | sure there is. The newspapers, and their government representatives. |
| [09:15:40] | directhex: | chaos ensues. random devices returned by the bucketful \o/ |
| [09:15:42] | jblack: | "I can't watch the hills. FIX THIS or I'll actually vote" |
| [09:15:51] | tjcarter: | Er, I thought the point of Blu-Ray was that the revokation was saved on the device. |
| [09:16:05] | tjcarter: | so revokation for one title revokes for all titles. |
| [09:16:17] | tjcarter: | disc of death if you have a "rogue device" |
| [09:16:18] | justinh: | that's what I thought too |
| [09:16:24] | jblack: | and you throw revocation on a big pile of titles. |
| [09:16:44] | directhex: | i'm waiting for an accident |
| [09:17:01] | jblack: | it's happened a few times with tivo on minor stuff. |
| [09:17:14] | directhex: | we know for a fact how many "minor" errors are made when pressing discs. when will there be an accidental revocation for a major player? |
| [09:17:24] | ** quicksilver glanced in the channel and though jblack said 'big pile of titties' ** | |
| [09:17:25] | jblack: | I think it's testing on stuff that 'people dont care about'. |
| [09:17:37] | directhex: | i'm amused that spielberg's "munich" bombed at the oscars due to a drm accident |
| [09:17:49] | jblack: | I could handle a big pile of titties right about now. |
| [09:17:56] | tjcarter: | directhex: srsly? |
| [09:18:37] | directhex: | tjcarter, yep. the preview copies are those special CINEA super-drm discs which only work on specific players, and they accidentally enforced the wrong region code on the discs |
| [09:18:44] | directhex: | meaning none of the judges could watch it |
| [09:18:51] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [09:19:06] | directhex: | epic fail at the oscars due to lack of actual judging |
| [09:19:20] | tjcarter: | That'll teach them not to DRM those screener DVDs |
| [09:19:38] | directhex: | hm, it was the BAFTS not the oscars. my mistake |
| [09:19:42] | directhex: | the rest is accurate though |
| [09:19:42] | justinh: | webshite here says BAFTA, not the oscars |
| [09:19:45] | jblack: | Just imagine. Someone pulls the keys off of a popular HDCP compliant tv, to make something like the HDFury. They revoke that, and they revoke a big pile of TVs. |
| [09:19:55] | justinh: | jblack: yeah |
| [09:20:05] | justinh: | means a lot of TVs have to be fixed |
| [09:20:15] | directhex: | jblack, hope so. that'll be exciting! |
| [09:20:15] | jblack: | So you update the hdfury like thing from the site, and they have firmware from ANOTHER popular TV. |
| [09:20:17] | justinh: | means a lot ofpeople get pissed |
| [09:20:20] | tjcarter: | jblack: That's precisely what the blacklisting is for |
| [09:20:26] | tjcarter: | if a key "goes rogue" |
| [09:20:38] | tjcarter: | but then again, that's precisely what they shouldn't do. |
| [09:20:40] | justinh: | methinks they underestimate |
| [09:21:01] | jblack: | The fury thing does it's update magic every time it's invalidated, and boom, anoter 20k of TVs made worthless. |
| [09:21:16] | tjcarter: | The key should be pulled off a Sony TV |
| [09:21:41] | tjcarter: | jblack: it does?! |
| [09:21:46] | tjcarter: | awesome =D |
| [09:21:52] | jblack: | tjcarter: No. I'm hypothesizing an approach. |
| [09:21:59] | tjcarter: | oh |
| [09:22:00] | tjcarter: | damn |
| [09:22:05] | directhex: | actually, the new hd fury 2 DOES have key updating |
| [09:22:06] | tjcarter: | that would be way beyond cool |
| [09:22:12] | justinh: | the hdfury2 can be updated |
| [09:22:41] | jblack: | So, with a soldering gun on some common TV, they can update? :) |
| [09:23:00] | jblack: | That's awesome |
| [09:23:10] | justinh: | they can update in the field in a lot of cases, but not all. and besides, that needs a visit by a techie to every TV |
| [09:24:07] | tjcarter: | and what's to stop you from having your TV updated and then immediately pulling the code off the TV again? |
| [09:24:16] | directhex: | nothing \o/ |
| [09:24:27] | tjcarter: | No, invalidating keys is scary for the industry |
| [09:24:38] | justinh: | it's busted |
| [09:25:11] | justinh: | I reckon it'd be commercial suicide to actually use key blacklisting, so nobody will |
| [09:25:27] | directhex: | how about ICT? |
| [09:25:40] | justinh: | ICT? |
| [09:25:48] | tjcarter: | now all we need is a recording device that does HDMI ;) |
| [09:25:49] | directhex: | image constraint token |
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| [09:25:54] | jblack: | did they blacklist those windows players for blue ray? |
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| [09:26:32] | directhex: | jblack, yes, and reissued keys in the patched updates |
| [09:26:36] | directhex: | jblack, but software is easy |
| [09:26:55] | justinh: | software only needs some joe to double click an exe |
| [09:27:18] | justinh: | doesn't involve sending a tech out to somebody's house with a reprogrammer |
| [09:28:20] | tjcarter: | True, but does require an internet connection |
| [09:28:55] | justinh: | the big mistake which has been made yet again is that 'this encripplement is infallible, or at least way too complimicaterified for Joe Schmoe' |
| [09:29:46] | jblack: | fuck joe shmoe. I just want to to pay for better cable and watch it under myth, under my terms. |
| [09:29:55] | justinh: | awww bless |
| [09:30:06] | justinh: | well, fuck you! so says the cable company |
| [09:30:15] | tjcarter: | justinh: Y'know it's funny, I don't go for piracy, but I fully support any and all efforts to un-DRM things. |
| [09:30:36] | justinh: | IMHO they should just go hell for leather against the pirates |
| [09:30:43] | justinh: | screw DRM |
| [09:30:54] | tjcarter: | justinh: it's a double-edged sword to kill DRM, but still it should be done. |
| [09:31:08] | justinh: | drm doesn't even stop piracy |
| [09:31:16] | directhex: | indeed |
| [09:31:16] | tjcarter: | I will go as far in the TV realm to say that I see no problem with soft CAMs and the like |
| [09:31:37] | justinh: | I see softcams as THEFT |
| [09:31:39] | directhex: | personally i'm fine with copy protection as long as it's on an open platform – e.g. i want sky tv, if they will sell me a sky CAM |
| [09:31:57] | tjcarter: | justinh: only if you use them to decrypt channels you don't pay for. |
| [09:31:59] | jblack: | exactly |
| [09:32:14] | justinh: | tjcarter: oh right. the 1% of people who use it legitimately |
| [09:32:25] | jblack: | I have no problem with people being compensated for work. I just don't like arbitrary restrictions |
| [09:32:35] | tjcarter: | justinh: It should exist for the legal usage. |
| [09:32:46] | justinh: | so yeah your provider says you need a cam & viewing card per tuner? that's up to them |
| [09:33:06] | justinh: | if you want to share one card between several devices you're stealing from them |
| [09:33:09] | tjcarter: | in fact, that should be the default setting, and the people who produce the things should refuse to tell you how to make it do the illegal thing |
| [09:33:12] | jblack: | The hdfury faq sounds like they really screw with the signal. |
| [09:33:44] | jblack: | images shifting to the left, cropped pictures, black level changing |
| [09:33:48] | justinh: | if you don;t agree with their policy, don't buy from them. simple as that |
| [09:34:48] | jblack: | I don't agree sharing one card between several devices should be viewed as theft. |
| [09:34:50] | directhex: | jblack, it's a DAC. that always carries risk to image integrity |
| [09:35:16] | jblack: | If I license the right to watch content, they shouldn't be able to charge me extra for the priviledge of watching it upstairs instead of the living room |
| [09:35:34] | sid3windr: | but you can take the cam along |
| [09:35:43] | sid3windr: | I bet thats ok with the |
| [09:35:43] | sid3windr: | m |
| [09:35:52] | jblack: | Not with directtv. |
| [09:36:00] | jblack: | They lock their cards to individual devices. |
| [09:36:21] | sid3windr: | hmm, well take the entire device along to view upstairs :D |
| [09:37:18] | justinh: | jblack: sharing one card between several devices at the same time is usually against provider T&Cs. that's commercial interests. if you don't like it, don't buy from them |
| [09:37:30] | justinh: | otherwise you're technically stealing. end of story |
| [09:37:49] | justinh: | I agree that it's technically daylight robbery on their part too, but that's their perogative |
| [09:38:12] | jblack: | I used to agree with that viewpoint. |
| [09:38:20] | tjcarter: | They're not going to let you use their CAM on a DVB card. |
| [09:38:32] | justinh: | if morepeople objected by opting out they might start paying attention |
| [09:38:46] | jblack: | I don't any more. I think industries have anti-trust behaviour, that restricts the possibility of seeking better offers. |
| [09:39:06] | justinh: | well, it's the consumer's fault they ended up being monopolised |
| [09:39:28] | jblack: | !?! |
| [09:39:37] | tjcarter: | I don't know if I'd go that far |
| [09:39:47] | justinh: | reel em in, reel em in! |
| [09:40:08] | tjcarter: | if you have three options, and they're all guilty of the same tactics, you don't have a choice and it's not really your fault |
| [09:40:21] | justinh: | you always have a choice |
| [09:40:23] | justinh: | opt out! |
| [09:40:34] | justinh: | oh wait. TV is like oxygen. I forgot |
| [09:40:45] | tjcarter: | this goes back to people without TV being smarter ... ;) |
| [09:40:48] | jblack: | In certain limited ways, it is. |
| [09:41:39] | justinh: | people who don't watch TV ARE smarter |
| [09:42:18] | purserj: | justinh: explain the internet then |
| [09:42:19] | jblack: | I think there would be a trend there, yeah. |
| [09:42:35] | jblack: | They're not necessarily as well informed on current events, though. |
| [09:42:52] | justinh: | you're not necessarily well informed by TV anyway |
| [09:43:10] | justinh: | infact, scratch the 'necessarily' |
| [09:43:25] | jblack: | TV does a great job of telling me when my daughter's school is closed, or when there's a tornado coming, or that a convicted sex molester moved in a block down. |
| [09:43:54] | tjcarter: | jblack: but the tornado thing only happens if you're not blind. |
| [09:44:09] | tjcarter: | You only get the EAS noises if you can't see them. |
| [09:44:22] | tjcarter: | then you have to find a radio to listen to figure out what the emergency is |
| [09:44:30] | jblack: | Tornados can move fast enough that by the time you can hear them, it's too late. |
| [09:44:42] | justinh: | natural selection! |
| [09:44:43] | jblack: | Well, that's the thing. The US is so hyped up about hdtv, that we're now working on hdradio. |
| [09:44:53] | purserj: | why!?! |
| [09:45:09] | purserj: | why for the love of all that is holy would you try and make "High Definition" radio? |
| [09:45:20] | justinh: | radio with a wider aspect ratio.. and DRM ! |
| [09:45:29] | justinh: | hope taping is killing piracy.. or something |
| [09:45:33] | tjcarter: | jblack: that's just it. We're working on legislation to make the EAS announcements available verbally on SAP channels |
| [09:45:43] | jblack: | So, five years from now, newspapers will be dead, tv and radio will be DRMed, and your choices for getting current information will be much more limited. |
| [09:45:47] | Dibblah: | I'd love "HD" radio. |
| [09:45:49] | tjcarter: | jblack: more channels and DRM |
| [09:46:04] | Dibblah: | The current DAB offering in the UK is just nasty. |
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| [09:46:08] | justinh: | digital radio mondial :) |
| [09:46:18] | justinh: | Dibblah: blame market forces |
| [09:46:30] | justinh: | and punters for not yelling loud enough about it |
| [09:46:42] | purserj: | are they offering more channels or just the same idiots in "quadraphonic" |
| [09:46:44] | justinh: | ofcom riding roughshod over the punter again |
| [09:47:20] | jblack: | I think control of content and control of information are synonymous. |
| [09:47:28] | justinh: | bingo! |
| [09:47:37] | Dibblah: | Quad makes good sense for large concert performances. |
| [09:47:42] | justinh: | they own us, we know it. there's not much we can do about it now. awwww |
| [09:48:00] | tjcarter: | it makes sense for car stereos |
| [09:48:03] | jblack: | And your response is "it's everyone's fault" ? |
| [09:48:13] | tjcarter: | just because they already have the speakers for it ;) |
| [09:48:15] | justinh: | jblack: we were asleep while they did it |
| [09:48:24] | jblack: | I bet you'd care more if you had kids. |
| [09:48:38] | Dibblah: | tjcarter: Given the normal state of "car audio" you really are pushed to need stereo. |
| [09:48:45] | justinh: | so, let's all rise up & start a revolution |
| [09:48:56] | justinh: | can't be THAT bothered? Oh well. No dice |
| [09:49:00] | jblack: | I think it's too late. |
| [09:49:03] | purserj: | sorry what was that about having kids? |
| [09:49:05] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: especially given AM/FM reception ;) |
| [09:49:19] | tjcarter: | Sirius may be a little better |
| [09:49:24] | justinh: | jblack: I care enough to have serious doubts that having kids is a good idea |
| [09:50:01] | purserj: | jblack: tv and radio may be drm'd but then so what? |
| [09:50:21] | purserj: | the internets ain't dead, and more people will move away from the crap to other sources |
| [09:50:21] | tjcarter: | The intarweb! |
| [09:50:26] | tjcarter: | until it's DRMed too |
| [09:50:46] | justinh: | if enough people gave a damn & did their bit to change the way the world is, even if it was just using a vote (FFS) I might hold some hope for the future |
| [09:50:57] | purserj: | people might be okay with drm'd tv, but try and take away their "certain websites" and you'll have a different thing |
| [09:51:02] | justinh: | meanwhile, just go back to your X-Factor. Nothing to see here |
| [09:51:21] | purserj: | no thanks, I'll keep making my own content |
| [09:51:42] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but singleton porn only goes so far. |
| [09:51:46] | justinh: | user-generated content. most of that is ripped from DVD & TV |
| [09:52:02] | justinh: | as for original ideas.. hahahaha |
| [09:52:40] | tjcarter: | justinh: you didn't say how it was generated, just that it was generated by users |
| [09:52:41] | purserj: | meh, whatever floats your boat |
| [09:53:20] | justinh: | While they're telling people who don't give a shit about Jade Goody has cancer, they're not telling you that MPs have voted in favour of taking away another part of your freedom :P |
| [09:53:49] | jblack: | Yeah. if you guys want to know where you'll be in five, look at us on this side of the pond. |
| [09:53:59] | justinh: | the people who aren't idly sleeping are so few in number we're all screwed |
| [09:54:07] | jblack: | I agree. |
| [09:54:12] | justinh: | they have us well trained |
| [09:54:16] | justinh: | good sheep |
| [09:54:20] | jblack: | aye |
| [09:54:26] | justinh: | time for my ritalin |
| [09:55:08] | jblack: | Yeah. Either your not well informed enough to know, or your smart enough to be informed and know it's pointless. |
| [09:55:15] | tjcarter: | justinh: in the US, our media is barely even talking about Putin's bid to rebuild the Soviet KGB empire.. |
| [09:55:22] | justinh: | jblack: aka ignorance is bliss |
| [09:55:37] | jblack: | i think that may be. |
| [09:55:45] | Maliuta: | there's nothing wrong with a bit of Stalin ... just aslong as I get to be Beria |
| [09:55:48] | justinh: | should we all buy shares in radiological protection suit manufacturers? |
| [09:56:05] | jblack: | nah. Nuking your sheep isn't profitable. |
| [09:56:09] | purserj: | Maliuta: you naughty communistic you |
| [09:56:17] | Maliuta: | actually Beria was a pussy compared to Maliuta |
| [09:56:54] | Maliuta: | purserj: Bolshies blow goats. they ruined the name of Socialism for the true socialists |
| [09:57:30] | justinh: | anyway, resistance is futile. bend over & give Uncle Sam's broadcasters some more money |
| [09:57:34] | purserj: | Maliuta: apparantly your name sake like to pillage people |
| [09:57:40] | purserj: | according to wikipedia anyway |
| [09:58:20] | jblack: | I know what needs to happen. |
| [09:58:22] | Maliuta: | purserj: the name is synonymous with "absolute complete evel" in slavic languages |
| [09:58:24] | justinh: | have to say I found it funny when I read The Daily Show is widely seen as 'made up news' |
| [09:58:31] | jblack: | I need to win the lottery, so that I can buy an island and host the pirate bay. |
| [09:58:40] | Maliuta: | purserj: he and Ivan the Terrible had quite the spree |
| [09:58:48] | tjcarter: | Maliuta: you mean like Obama? =D |
| [09:58:56] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:59:02] | justinh: | Obama Sin Laden? |
| [09:59:12] | ** justinh watches Fox ** | |
| [09:59:13] | jblack: | bleh. He voted for FISA. |
| [09:59:17] | tjcarter: | No, the other socialist |
| [09:59:28] | Maliuta: | tjcarter: the US is sooo far to the right that even the "left" are right wing pussies |
| [09:59:40] | jblack: | Now I have to write in a candidate. I'm thinking George Carlin. |
| [09:59:47] | justinh: | is that the only thing 'worse' than a black pres in the US? a RED one? |
| [10:00:09] | jblack: | A muslim pres would be "worse" |
| [10:00:36] | Dibblah: | Now that'd be a refreshing change. |
| [10:00:40] | tjcarter: | Maliuta: I don't know, he's left-wing enough to vote for partial birth abortions, and for starving the baby to death if it doesn't have the decency to just die. |
| [10:00:41] | purserj: | nah, the "worst" would be a female, gay, muslim, atheist, democrat, communist one |
| [10:00:50] | justinh: | I suppose it depends on whether his 'god' talks to him in person or not |
| [10:00:58] | jblack: | A left handed, eskimo midget albino? |
| [10:01:05] | Maliuta: | tjcarter: that doesn't determine if someone is left wing |
| [10:01:14] | ** jblack wonders if anyone will catch the reference ** | |
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| [10:01:31] | tjcarter: | Maliuta: Nobody on the right would ever condone it... |
| [10:01:32] | Maliuta: | it _is_ possible to be pro-life and left wing |
| [10:01:49] | ** purserj get's out the popcorn, this could get interesting ** | |
| [10:02:01] | jblack: | Maliuta: Only if you're Hitler! |
| [10:02:01] | Maliuta: | tjcarter: these are not the issues that effect idealogical leanings |
| [10:02:02] | tjcarter: | purserj: probably not actually |
| [10:02:23] | ** justinh wonders what's going on in #mythtv-users ** | |
| [10:02:33] | purserj: | tjcarter: I've parried with Maliuta before ;) it's always interesting |
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| [10:02:59] | directhex: | "pro-life" is a cute term for "anti-woman" |
| [10:03:01] | tjcarter: | Maliuta: for those of religious persuasion, it's the the central question from which all other judgments are made.. |
| [10:03:36] | justinh: | directhex: and strangely ironic, considering how pro-lifers kill doctors |
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| [10:03:44] | jblack: | religious beliefs are the final refuge of ignorance. |
| [10:03:59] | tjcarter: | justinh: any pro-lifer who kills a doctor deserves the maximum punishment under the law. |
| [10:04:08] | directhex: | justinh, life only matters from conception to birth. after that, you're either a soldier in waiting, or a damn liberal |
| [10:04:09] | purserj: | okay, so we've had religion and politics, who wants to dis someones idea of good sex |
| [10:04:10] | justinh: | death! |
| [10:04:29] | Maliuta: | tjcarter: religion also doesn't determine political leaning |
| [10:04:29] | tjcarter: | I thought you were European justinh? |
| [10:04:30] | justinh: | no goat, no orgasm |
| [10:04:42] | tjcarter: | you're supposed to be too enlightened for capital punishment. |
| [10:04:45] | Maliuta: | tjcarter: you need to get your head out of the US and into the real world |
| [10:04:48] | ** tjcarter opposes that as well. ** | |
| [10:04:49] | purserj: | justinh: you should meet Dave2 over in lugradio |
| [10:04:50] | justinh: | tjcarter: what – because I'm european I can't be pro death penalty? |
| [10:05:18] | jblack: | I say we apply the death penalty to fetuses for tresspassing. |
| [10:05:34] | ** jblack ducks ** | |
| [10:05:45] | tjcarter: | IMO to be pro-life, seriously, you should oppose the death penalty and euthanasia as well. |
| [10:05:55] | ** purserj puts on Dogma, now that was a good "pick the shit out of a religion" movie ** | |
| [10:05:59] | justinh: | pro-euthanasia too |
| [10:06:21] | jblack: | As someone that's already died once, I'm pro-euthanasia too. I'm also free choice, and pro death penalty. |
| [10:06:35] | tjcarter: | I became pro-life when a pro-choice person said that it was immoral for a person with blindness or other serious disability to be carried to term. |
| [10:06:57] | jblack: | so you're anti-eugenics? |
| [10:07:00] | tjcarter: | I asked the question, "Are you saying that I should never have been born?" |
| [10:07:26] | jblack: | you're blind? |
| [10:07:29] | tjcarter: | I am |
| [10:07:38] | purserj: | eugenics is a different question than just plain abortion |
| [10:07:42] | justinh: | the view that people with disabilities are being punished for being sinners is very popular over there |
| [10:07:54] | jblack: | justinh: Where? |
| [10:08:02] | directhex: | tying eugenics with pro-choice is a godwin argument |
| [10:08:11] | directhex: | it has no place in rational discussion |
| [10:08:27] | justinh: | the people who put the FUN in fundamentalist & post videos on youtube arguing for christianity |
| [10:08:28] | jblack: | It's 6am here. What discussion is rational at that hour? |
| [10:08:36] | purserj: | eugenics was developed by a deeply religious man I think |
| [10:08:42] | tjcarter: | justinh is right, there is no shortage of people in the US who think I am blind because I have sinned or my parents or grandparents sinned. |
| [10:08:51] | jblack: | justinh: Oh, religious nuts. Yeah. I don't care much for people that want me dead. Again. |
| [10:09:26] | jblack: | tjcarter: Don't let them get you down. Blindness isn't your fault. |
| [10:09:29] | justinh: | a long time ago a really good friend of mine was visited at home. we lost another one to those nutters |
| [10:09:47] | tjcarter: | jblack: National Federation of the Blind, proud member. |
| [10:09:53] | jblack: | what's more important than your eyes is what happens behind them. |
| [10:10:30] | justinh: | put me in a room where New Order are playing, I'll wish I were deaf |
| [10:10:35] | jblack: | see my point? (sorry. couldn't resist) |
| [10:11:06] | jblack: | I bet being blind is a net benefit. You don't have to spend money on new wallpaint. =) |
| [10:11:09] | justinh: | speaking of which, I have a meeting with HR apparently |
| [10:11:31] | justinh: | something about going home early without authorisation |
| [10:11:50] | jblack: | uh oh. Here's to hoping they don't let you go home early every day with authorization. |
| [10:12:03] | jblack: | s/let/make |
| [10:12:15] | tjcarter: | so anyway, after having this taught as fact in a college class (figures huh?) and getting into trouble over questioning the "immorality" of allowing the disabled to be born, I came away from the class with a healthy opinion that it is immoral to abort a child BECAUSE of a disability. |
| [10:12:46] | justinh: | heh cancelled |
| [10:12:58] | jblack: | tjcarter: You could be biased, though... |
| [10:12:59] | justinh: | taught as a FACT? |
| [10:13:09] | purserj: | tjcarter: what class? |
| [10:13:53] | purserj: | do they still teach eugenics at uni? |
| [10:13:55] | tjcarter: | I argued that point with a rather lefty friend. He commented that reasonable people have determined that it is acceptable to have an abortion if you're going to have a boy and wanted a girl this time. If something as insignificant as a person's sexual plumbing is reason to have an abortion, how could something such as a disability which has a far greater impact on life not be? |
| [10:14:11] | tjcarter: | purserj: Psychology 375, Childhood Development |
| [10:14:16] | tjcarter: | purserj: this prof does. |
| [10:14:28] | purserj: | right, tell him he's an arse and move on |
| [10:14:38] | tjcarter: | jblack: I could. But the alternative viewpoint is Peter Singer. |
| [10:14:46] | justinh: | torch his house. he'll stop peddling his lies |
| [10:14:46] | jblack: | the flaw in the logic isn't in "if this is ok, then that is ok too". The flaw is in assuming the "this' |
| [10:14:49] | purserj: | I'm "rather lefty" and I don't believe in abortion depending things like gender |
| [10:14:57] | directhex: | tjcarter, better to abort a child with disabilities, or give birth to a child who might not get the care they deserve? i don't personally think i'm a good enough person to give the required levels of care to a disabled child |
| [10:15:41] | jblack: | I keep it simple. Have abortions for whatever damn reason you choose. |
| [10:15:51] | jblack: | Or don't. |
| [10:16:27] | jblack: | If someone wants to have an abortion because their kid is going to look or act funny... Well, are they going to be a good parent? |
| [10:16:56] | tjcarter: | directhex: that's the interesting question though.. Peter Singer argues that we are burdens to society because are somehow deficient. Our lives are hollow and empty--and we don't even know how hollow and empty because we haven't got the experience of what life is like not being disabled. |
| [10:17:09] | tjcarter: | directhex: therefore, we have no right to say that he's full of shit. |
| [10:17:30] | directhex: | tjcarter, i'd argue the reverse. i have nothing but respect for parents who care for disabled children |
| [10:17:32] | jblack: | It doesn't take a non-functional bodypart to make a life empty and hollow. That's bullshit. |
| [10:18:09] | directhex: | tjcarter, i'm not afraid to say i simply couldn't deal with some of them – e.g. a down's syndrome child would kill me. this is my failing. i wouldn't want to inflict it on anyone else, especially a child |
| [10:18:16] | purserj: | tjcarter: umm because someone says something doesn't make it true |
| [10:18:18] | justinh: | tjcarter: sounds like somebody should give him a piece of finding out what it's like to be disabled |
| [10:18:38] | jblack: | Yeah. Poke Pete in the eyes, and ask him if he wants help with euthanasia. |
| [10:18:43] | purserj: | apart from being an arse what does this guy actually do? |
| [10:18:52] | jblack: | Surely a case of someone that would see tings more clearly if he were blind. |
| [10:19:20] | directhex: | purserj, in yankland, there's a BIG market for professional arses |
| [10:19:35] | justinh: | they can even become pres! |
| [10:19:46] | tjcarter: | directhex: This argument my friend made essentially caused me to realize that he's right--if you can abort for any reason, then disability must be an acceptable reason. I am convinced it isn't. That kind of caused me to evaluate the argument which was valid.. |
| [10:19:50] | justinh: | whereas in the UK it helps if you were born in Scotland |
| [10:19:57] | jblack: | Who's worse. Bill O'reilly, or Glenn Beck/ |
| [10:20:09] | tjcarter: | jblack: O'Reilly. He's not funny. |
| [10:20:27] | tjcarter: | Glenn Beck is a paranoid nutcase, but he's at least a funny paranoid nutcase. |
| [10:20:32] | jblack: | I think the other one, because at least most people realize o'reilly is a frigging moron. |
| [10:21:05] | jblack: | beck is diseased with 1 step thinking. |
| [10:21:28] | tjcarter: | I don't think 1 step is the term I'd use. |
| [10:21:41] | tjcarter: | Survivalist thinking maybe |
| [10:21:41] | directhex: | tjcarter, the usually trumpeted "acceptable" situations are rapespawn, or cases where the life of mother or child are at risk if the baby comes to term |
| [10:21:57] | jblack: | I have nothing wrong with survivalist thinking, as a process. |
| [10:22:27] | jblack: | I have a problem with him making decisions based on the simple, apparent facts, without considering underlying causes. |
| [10:22:35] | tjcarter: | at every turn, he sees people doing things that will negatively impact him, and so whatever hurts him, the opposite should be done. |
| [10:23:40] | tjcarter: | The problem is that if A is bad, the opposite of A is not necessarily good. |
| [10:23:52] | jblack: | Thats part of what I call 1 step thinking. |
| [10:24:20] | directhex: | tjcarter, i'd certainly not advocate abortion as a sensible means of contraception (some do, you'd be surprised), but quality of life should be an important part. when is the right time to raise a child? is it always possible to do so properly? if you're jobless and in severe debt, is that the right time for a child? if the child faces severe difficulties and may not survive more than a couple of years? i have respect for people w |
| [10:24:20] | directhex: | ho CAN overcome major adversities to carry on, but given the safety net already exists, i think it should sometimes be considered as an alternative for everyone's benefit |
| [10:24:55] | directhex: | it's not like there are no repercussions for the mother. termination kills relationships & leads to terrible depression, in many cases. but that's something to weigh up |
| [10:25:21] | tjcarter: | directhex: how do you know beforehand what my quality of life will be while I'm in the womb? |
| [10:25:58] | jblack: | If you're missing three limbs and are missing 3/4 of your brain, chances are good your quality of life wouldn't meet standard expectations. |
| [10:26:24] | directhex: | not in detail. but i know what is or isn't possible for *me* to provide |
| [10:26:28] | purserj: | jblack: but the leadership of the republicans could be yours! |
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| [10:26:41] | justinh: | directhex: people out there would argue you're being selfish |
| [10:26:50] | directhex: | justinh, i'd agree with them |
| [10:26:57] | justinh: | I wouldn't |
| [10:27:03] | directhex: | justinh, hence having nothing but respect for those who can overcome reservations |
| [10:27:05] | tjcarter: | directhex: I was born to parents without a high school diploma between them, living well below poverty line. My father was a violent drunk, and by the time I was 6, my parents were divorced. |
| [10:27:25] | justinh: | I think it's selfish to preserve all life at whatever cost, no matter how much physical & mental pain it costs |
| [10:27:51] | massi: | hi all, It's mythtv's users channel? |
| [10:27:55] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:27:56] | tjcarter: | well see, "whatever cost" could be anything, and I agree. |
| [10:27:57] | justinh: | :P |
| [10:28:03] | directhex: | massi, no, this is #abortion |
| [10:28:10] | jblack: | massi: Not right now. We've decided to discuss how to solve the world's problems. |
| [10:28:20] | directhex: | would you like help with aborting a child? |
| [10:28:26] | Dibblah: | massi: Yes, it is. |
| [10:28:40] | massi: | directhex: jblack it seems interesting... |
| [10:28:44] | jblack: | yeah. I'll help. I've never done an abortion before, and I was told i should try everything at least once. |
| [10:28:48] | tjcarter: | directhex: abortion also carries the risk of making it harder to have children in the future.. |
| [10:28:56] | directhex: | tjcarter, yes, it does |
| [10:28:59] | jblack: | tjcarter: And? |
| [10:29:00] | justinh: | jblack: read the wiki first ;) |
| [10:29:04] | directhex: | tjcarter, like i said, there are repercussions. |
| [10:29:12] | massi: | whatever.... i have not audio on mythtv exepter in media streams... |
| [10:29:14] | justinh: | WHAT IF? ;) |
| [10:29:36] | directhex: | massi, using a bt8x8 tv card (cheap software-encoder card, using a little cable to plut it into your sound card)? |
| [10:30:10] | massi: | directhex: i have asus mycinema p71731 Hybrid and i did not what u are saying.. |
| [10:30:18] | directhex: | sigh |
| [10:30:28] | jblack: | can we go back to killing? |
| [10:30:51] | jblack: | I think we should institutionalize anyone that believes in a diety. |
| [10:31:04] | massi: | but U have got no audio from my mp3 as well |
| [10:31:15] | massi: | I mean *me" |
| [10:31:17] | jblack: | Or perhaps help them reach their own version of nirvana as soon as possible. |
| [10:31:28] | jblack: | massi: Reconfigure your sound card. |
| [10:31:29] | directhex: | massi, generally, or in mythtv? |
| [10:31:35] | tjcarter: | jblack: I had an atheist explain why if you DON'T believe in any deity or higher power why abortion should be wrong.. |
| [10:31:44] | directhex: | massi, if generally, then fix your sound card config – ask your distro support channel |
| [10:31:48] | massi: | just in mythtv, all other apps work |
| [10:32:01] | jblack: | tjcarter: I'd be interested in that argument, provided it's at least rational on the surface. |
| [10:32:07] | directhex: | massi, change your mythtv output device then |
| [10:32:23] | massi: | directhex: in backend? |
| [10:32:38] | directhex: | massi, a backend doesn't play things. of course not. |
| [10:32:50] | directhex: | massi, backends may not even have sound cards. |
| [10:32:59] | massi: | directhex: in frontend? |
| [10:33:00] | jblack: | perhaps after we find out massi didn't plug in the power to his speakers. |
| [10:33:26] | directhex: | he'll have set some silly output device, but the language barrier is mildly annoying |
| [10:33:35] | tjcarter: | jblack: nutshell version: If this is the only life we have, it's all we've got, and there's nothing else, ever... How could we be so arrogant as to think we have the right to take it away from someone who has never even had the chance to live well. |
| [10:33:41] | massi: | jblack: streaming audio/video work on mythtv as well |
| [10:33:49] | justinh: | it's about time mythtv dropped support for 'ACME TV TUNNE' cards IMHO |
| [10:33:58] | massi: | just do not work TV and mp3 |
| [10:34:04] | directhex: | massi, because those spawn mplayer, which has its own sound card config |
| [10:34:09] | justinh: | ahh install libmp3lame |
| [10:34:24] | directhex: | justinh, it's a hybrid of some kind afaik |
| [10:34:31] | jblack: | tjcarter: That's a poor argument. |
| [10:34:37] | massi: | directhex: I'll try it thanks |
| [10:34:48] | justinh: | hybrid and not supported in linux? ;) |
| [10:35:00] | massi: | justinh: yes it is |
| [10:35:05] | directhex: | supported fine. his sound card config is just fucked |
| [10:35:14] | jblack: | that's like some sort of inverse anthropic argument. |
| [10:35:17] | tjcarter: | jblack: I don't know, I kind of thought it was interesting (he had much more to say about it..) |
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| [10:35:44] | directhex: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/b/be/Mythtv_alsa.jpg |
| [10:35:47] | justinh: | ran mythtv-setup on my laptop last night & saw some funny squiggles in the language selection screen. scary! |
| [10:35:53] | tjcarter: | jblack: but I'm not an atheist. Used to be. |
| [10:36:18] | tjcarter: | justinh: squiggles? ;) |
| [10:36:25] | tjcarter: | Technical term? |
| [10:36:37] | massi: | directhex: your linked image is quite like mine one |
| [10:36:53] | justinh: | tjcarter: funny squiggles, yeah |
| [10:37:12] | directhex: | massi, make it stop being "quite like", and make it "right" |
| [10:37:24] | justinh: | they were just like the kind of squiggles scrolling from left to right in those tourist videos they show on the news |
| [10:37:27] | tjcarter: | Like ñ and ü and whatnot? |
| [10:37:36] | massi: | directhex: ok mate and I must install libmp3lame? |
| [10:38:14] | directhex: | massi, that depends. do non-mp3 files work in mythmusic, e.g. an ogg vorbis file? did you compile mythtv yourself? |
| [10:38:37] | jblack: | The best anti-abortion arguments I've seen try to equate abortion with murder, and try to prove that murder is bad |
| [10:38:46] | massi: | directhex: actually I did not try flac and ogg but I will |
| [10:38:52] | jblack: | All of them fail at some critical point, and most of them fail at several. |
| [10:39:10] | justinh: | murder not bad? :-O |
| [10:39:22] | jblack: | Provably so? Not that I've seen. |
| [10:39:27] | directhex: | unprotected sex is murder! |
| [10:39:44] | justinh: | protected sex is even more murder, some say |
| [10:40:01] | directhex: | any time you have sex without a baby as the end result is murder, then |
| [10:40:09] | tjcarter: | I don't see how it can be murder and I'm Catholic |
| [10:40:15] | jblack: | Sure. Every time you jack off, you murder millions of 1/2 people. |
| [10:40:25] | jblack: | Genocide via a comfy sock. |
| [10:40:25] | massi: | thanks for support I ll try your advices :D |
| [10:40:42] | tjcarter: | (Catholics don't approve of condoms as a birth control method) |
| [10:40:56] | tjcarter: | But then, they don't approve of sex outside of marriage either. |
| [10:41:07] | massi: | cya... but dont forget your kondom brothers and sisters ;) |
| [10:41:19] | jblack: | They also belive in reincarnation, ghosts, and talking shrubs. |
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| [10:41:29] | tjcarter: | which is STUPID because in certain parts of the world, people have sex outside of marriage and DON'T use a condom because "it's a sin" ... |
| [10:41:30] | justinh: | they only approve of one borth control method. actually two. the rhythm method & the unacceptable (to most) method – abstention :P |
| [10:41:49] | directhex: | tjcarter, in some parts of the world, the belief is sex with babies cures AIDS |
| [10:41:53] | jblack: | From what I've seen, they also approve of pedophealia. |
| [10:41:56] | directhex: | tjcarter, for the record, it doesn't |
| [10:42:11] | tjcarter: | justinh: natural family planning (which basically controls when you have sex to avoid fertility) is acceptable |
| [10:42:27] | tjcarter: | jblack: No, we don't. |
| [10:42:37] | jblack: | Don't what? |
| [10:42:40] | tjcarter: | jblack: Any priest found guilty of that deserves to be castrated IMO. |
| [10:42:41] | justinh: | tjcarter: it is NOT acceptable. jees |
| [10:42:57] | jblack: | I was being sarcastic. |
| [10:43:39] | justinh: | if it's what priests practise.. I can understand how people might think it's the same as condoning it |
| [10:43:39] | tjcarter: | justinh: basically, if two people aren't married and are having sex, probably they should be using a condom.. |
| [10:44:04] | tjcarter: | justinh: it's what SOME priests practiced and most people din't know about it. |
| [10:44:19] | justinh: | tjcarter: because the high-ranking priests kept it hush-hush |
| [10:44:20] | jblack: | more basically, if two people are having sex, they should have a condom unless they want to consider having an abortion. |
| [10:44:42] | directhex: | at least we haven't had a pope who had to be carried onto the stage for his own coronation due to too much anal sex to walk for a while. |
| [10:45:23] | jblack: | speaking of the pope? What's with that evil looking german was-in-the-hitler-youth-group guy? |
| [10:45:41] | directhex: | jblack, senator palpatine? |
| [10:45:47] | jblack: | yeah, that's the one. |
| [10:46:27] | jblack: | Pope John Paul, at least he _looked_ like he believed what he preached (pun intended). This current one, he looks like he tortures squirrels. |
| [10:46:47] | directhex: | he tortures jedi padwan. |
| [10:47:08] | directhex: | http://static.flickr.com/6/9958184_1d3029f0e7_m.jpg |
| [10:47:20] | jblack: | seriously! Couldn't you imagine that grin on his face after skinning ewoks, alive? |
| [10:47:37] | jblack: | That's not the grin |
| [10:47:47] | directhex: | ewok fur makes for nice bed linen |
| [10:48:04] | jblack: | http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/origina . . . atine_02.jpg |
| [10:48:19] | justinh: | who the hell is palpatine? |
| [10:48:30] | jblack: | justinh: The emperor in star wars |
| [10:48:31] | directhex: | justinh, the baddie in the first 6 star wars movies? |
| [10:49:35] | directhex: | john xii, now THAT was a pope. would shag anyone anywhere. even his sisters and other little girls. |
| [10:49:50] | directhex: | benedict ix too, but add animals to the list |
| [10:49:59] | jblack: | Nothing like mixing incest with infallibility. |
| [10:50:07] | justinh: | oh that's what he was called |
| [10:50:27] | justinh: | jblack: you're only ever as young as the female you feel |
| [10:50:42] | jblack: | ewww |
| [10:51:16] | directhex: | my boss scored some epic win points last week. asked on his birthday by his wife "so you feel like a 36 year old", the instant reply was "i'd prefer two 18 year olds" |
| [10:51:36] | justinh: | that Chef dude was in their Super Adventure Club too ;) |
| [10:52:05] | ** tjcarter has answers, but is on the phone =p ** | |
| [10:52:18] | jblack: | chef -> isaac hayes -> dead -> not dead -> time to check the abe vigoda status page |
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| [10:52:48] | jblack: | Still kickin |
| [10:53:25] | jblack: | awww fuck. Duke nukem forever is real, but you need an xbox 360 to play it. |
| [10:53:45] | jblack: | That's like becoming a priest in 1959 |
| [10:53:46] | directhex: | jblack, since when? |
| [10:53:51] | jblack: | Since now. |
| [10:53:59] | directhex: | jblack, new DNF news? where? |
| [10:54:04] | jblack: | http://www.3drealms.com/news/2008/08/duke_nukem_3d_for_xbla.html |
| [10:54:45] | directhex: | jblack, that's just a port of the old game. DNF remains in development hell. |
| [10:54:52] | justinh: | xbox 720 you say, the next gen next gemn console? |
| [10:55:07] | directhex: | jblack, and there HAVE been duke games since DNF was announced, e.g. side-scroller duke nukem manhatten mayhem |
| [10:55:16] | directhex: | DNF is 11.5 years old now, though |
| [10:55:21] | jblack: | oh, whoops. |
| [10:55:22] | justinh: | the one with 3d holographic display? yeah that's shipping with DNF |
| [10:55:24] | jblack: | Yeah. 3d. |
| [10:55:40] | directhex: | justinh, i made that joke about windows XP |
| [10:55:47] | directhex: | justinh, april 1997 was a LONG time ago |
| [10:56:05] | ** justinh is starting to think DNF is just a sick joke ** | |
| [10:56:17] | justinh: | one of those mythical games ;) |
| [10:56:30] | directhex: | the beatles formed, released all their albums, and split, in less time than DNF has taken |
| [10:56:46] | directhex: | world war 2, including the manhatten project |
| [10:57:11] | directhex: | 7 solar eclipses |
| [10:57:19] | directhex: | 22 major school shootings |
| [10:57:28] | directhex: | 6 billion more humans added to world population |
| [10:57:33] | justinh: | throw more money at the project |
| [10:57:35] | directhex: | s/more/total |
| [10:57:54] | justinh: | make it so development work is actually done before current tech is too old |
| [10:57:56] | directhex: | 12 games consoles |
| [10:57:58] | jblack: | Some people wait for Christ's return. Me? I'm waiting for DNF. |
| [10:58:33] | directhex: | 75 megaman games. 50 star wars games. every single MMO ever except meridian 59 |
| [10:59:02] | Dibblah: | DNF? Did Not Finish? |
| [10:59:20] | Dibblah: | Ho, right. |
| [10:59:21] | directhex: | every sims, gran turismo, gta game |
| [10:59:24] | Dibblah: | Ho, right. |
| [10:59:25] | directhex: | fuck, all of gta? O_o |
| [10:59:29] | jblack: | not every sim. |
| [10:59:30] | Dibblah: | Oh, right., even :( |
| [10:59:38] | directhex: | Dibblah, simcity != sims |
| [10:59:41] | jblack: | You're forgetting little computer people on the C=64 |
| [10:59:42] | directhex: | jblack, even |
| [10:59:48] | directhex: | jblack, not the same franchise |
| [11:00:33] | directhex: | every squaresoft effort from final fantasy 7 onwards. 10 duke nukem games. 9 zelda games. |
| [11:00:38] | jblack: | Heh. DN3d predates mitnick getting caught, doesn't it. |
| [11:00:40] | Dibblah: | Eh? Sorry – It was a thinko. Ho should have been Oh. Twice. It's one of those mornings. |
| [11:00:54] | justinh: | I never got to finish DN3D.. my uncle borrowed it & it was never seen again |
| [11:00:57] | jblack: | yup. |
| [11:00:58] | directhex: | jblack, here's one. DNF predates "geforce" and "radeon". all of them. |
| [11:01:37] | jblack: | http://news.cnet.com/Kevin-Mitnick-Web-site-h . . . 6108032.html |
| [11:02:07] | directhex: | hm, 5 consumer versions of windows |
| [11:02:17] | directhex: | vista was a walk in the park to dev compared to DNF. who knew |
| [11:03:14] | jblack: | The financial markets look sick today. |
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| [11:04:27] | jblack: | lol. mitnick's business card is a lockpick set! |
| [11:04:30] | jblack: | That's sweet! |
| [11:06:19] | directhex: | britney spears' entire pop career took less time than DNF |
| [11:07:20] | directhex: | all of colin farrell's movies. all of harry potter. all of family guy. all of south park. all of buffy, angel, firefly. |
| [11:08:50] | directhex: | the mars rovers. christ, it was easier to propose, fund, design, build, ship, and use those than DNF |
| [11:09:01] | jblack: | dude, get off it |
| [11:09:22] | xand: | grrrr |
| [11:09:29] | ** directhex mails jblack a copy of daikatana ** | |
| [11:09:56] | ** jblack mails nigeria directhex's email address ** | |
| [11:10:02] | xand: | double-clicking mythtv's upnp icon in vista = backend falls over |
| [11:10:11] | directhex: | xand, ooh, nice |
| [11:11:03] | jblack: | I want metal business cards. That's cool. |
| [11:11:35] | xand: | *stabbystab* |
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| [11:30:24] | xand: | now mythtv-setup is fucking my display up |
| [11:32:23] | directhex: | ati |
| [11:32:24] | directhex: | ? |
| [11:33:36] | xand: | no, nvidia |
| [11:34:08] | xand: | ssh -X to backend... when mouse pointer is over the mythtv-setup window all the colours go funny :) |
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| [11:36:44] | svip: | I have a Plextor ConvertX PX-AV200U which is connected to an old VideoHIB machine, I need to get the contents of these old tapes through this. While I have found no support for PX-AV200U on Linux, though I read someone said it worked flawless on MythTV, I still cannot figure it out, as it lacks the /dev/video link. Any help? |
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| [11:42:05] | directhex: | mythtv is not a vcr |
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| [11:52:37] | svip: | I know, directhex. |
| [11:52:55] | svip: | But I can find no help about this device anywhere. |
| [11:53:12] | svip: | Well, I only spotted one who had the same problem, but obviously no one made a reply. |
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| [12:08:15] | directhex: | OH, the convertx |
| [12:08:31] | directhex: | go7007 chip |
| [12:09:21] | directhex: | http://colabti.org/convertx/ ? |
| [12:12:11] | dustybin: | would this make a ok SDTV frontend box: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compaq-EVO-D510-P4-1-8G . . . photohosting |
| [12:12:24] | dustybin: | its about 1/4 the price of a HTPC box!!! |
| [12:12:32] | justinh: | no |
| [12:12:36] | dustybin: | why not? |
| [12:12:36] | directhex: | moar rams. |
| [12:12:49] | dustybin: | ok, if i upgraded it to 512 |
| [12:12:55] | dustybin: | i even have a stick here for it |
| [12:13:18] | justinh: | why oh why oh why is everybody's idea for an editor on gnome SHIT? |
| [12:13:25] | directhex: | i845? no custom modelines over vga iirc |
| [12:13:36] | directhex: | justinh, vi? |
| [12:13:47] | dustybin: | directhex: it has a spare AGP slot, i can stick my low-profile 5200 inside it |
| [12:13:51] | justinh: | not even gonna respond to that directhex |
| [12:13:53] | justinh: | vi sucks |
| [12:13:55] | justinh: | oops |
| [12:14:16] | directhex: | justinh, ed? |
| [12:14:19] | justinh: | emacs.. get outta town |
| [12:14:28] | justinh: | think along the lines of kate |
| [12:14:37] | justinh: | simple yet powerful |
| [12:15:23] | justinh: | kate runs on gnome but only just |
| [12:15:43] | directhex: | ed! |
| [12:18:20] | justinh: | I'm starting to really get tired of this now. open firefox, go away & do other stuff. come back the window's monochrome & just hanging there |
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| [12:20:49] | justinh: | directhex: you know where you can put ed |
| [12:20:59] | justinh: | I'm a huming bean ffs |
| [12:21:24] | justinh: | muh muh muh real geeks use idiotic idiosyncratic editors! :-| |
| [12:21:38] | ** directhex uses nano in consoles, gedit in not consoles ** | |
| [12:22:04] | justinh: | they're alright for simple one or two line changes, not wholesale ripping out |
| [12:24:02] | justinh: | what the fucking hell have ubuntu done to this? FF is just sitting there looking busy. |
| [12:24:53] | justinh: | I thought Vista was bad |
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| [12:33:06] | justinh: | oh that's funny. disabled the lame indexing thing.. whee HOW fast is it now? |
| [12:36:52] | justinh: | fuckit. bye bye gnome |
| [12:38:12] | justinh: | ugh. kde is worse |
| [12:41:09] | dustybin: | what would you say is the lowest spec P4 speed for SDTV until it becomes too slugish? |
| [12:41:23] | dustybin: | 1.6? |
| [12:42:39] | justinh: | 800Mhz |
| [12:42:51] | dustybin: | P3? |
| [12:42:52] | justinh: | oh wait P4.. dunno |
| [12:42:56] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [12:43:16] | justinh: | if its video card has Xv, you can get away with less than 1Ghz |
| [12:43:37] | dustybin: | ill be sticking a low profile fx5200 inside it |
| [12:44:28] | dustybin: | i cannot find anything that beats a Compaq Evo SFF desktop for a SDTV frontend |
| [12:44:57] | justinh: | beats? if looks aren't important go for it |
| [12:45:23] | justinh: | "hey what's that piece of crap under the TV?" |
| [12:45:56] | dustybin: | they dont look too bad |
| [12:46:18] | justinh: | compared to a dogturd they do look quite good I suppose |
| [12:46:27] | dustybin: | http://87.194.19.151:8080/assets/images/kd/8l.jpg |
| [12:46:41] | dustybin: | they are pretty small too |
| [12:46:49] | justinh: | are they quiet too? |
| [12:46:58] | dustybin: | im not sure, but i can always replace fans |
| [12:47:08] | justinh: | then again for £0.10 what do you want? |
| [12:47:35] | dustybin: | that machine is 1/4 the price of a HTPC case |
| [12:47:44] | dustybin: | all i need is a small frontend only box |
| [12:49:06] | dustybin: | justinh: is there a such thing as a PCI nvidia fx5200? |
| [12:49:06] | justinh: | maybe you could make a new front panel for it so it didn't look quite so crap |
| [12:49:17] | dustybin: | indeed |
| [12:49:25] | justinh: | yeah. like hen's teeth in shops now though |
| [12:49:33] | dustybin: | id rather a IBM SFF but they dont have AGP slots, only pci |
| [12:50:09] | dustybin: | i dont mind the IBM logo showing in the front room :) |
| [12:50:29] | dustybin: | The IBM Netvista small form factor PC is only 30.9cm (W) x 35.9cm (D) x 8.5cm (H) – Very small and compact – fits virtually anywhere! |
| [12:50:37] | dustybin: | tiny |
| [12:50:55] | ** dustybin researches PCI fx5200 cards ** | |
| [12:52:34] | justinh: | bet it wouldn't fit in your mouth! |
| [12:52:44] | directhex: | to be fair to nvidia, the 5000 series is 5 generations obsolete now. and PCI is dead too |
| [12:53:22] | justinh: | pci will be laid to rest when there are lots more working (on linux) pci-e tuner cards |
| [12:53:27] | dustybin: | perfect |
| [12:53:29] | dustybin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nvidia-GeForce-FX5200-1 . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [12:53:37] | dustybin: | i could stick that in a SFF IBM netvista |
| [12:53:48] | directhex: | justinh, true. but linux tv card users are not a big market for most of these companies |
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| [12:53:54] | directhex: | justinh, and pci sucks for graphics cards |
| [12:54:07] | dustybin: | would linux work ok with a graphics card on the PCI bus? |
| [12:54:32] | dustybin: | for SDTV |
| [12:56:01] | justinh: | yes |
| [12:56:17] | justinh: | it's just that you can't throw zillions of fuckofftexels over PCI |
| [12:56:28] | dustybin: | texels? |
| [12:56:47] | justinh: | absolutely slow as hell for gaming. worse than useless |
| [12:56:55] | justinh: | unless by gaming you mean Doom |
| [12:57:01] | dustybin: | well it would only be used for SDTV / frontend |
| [12:57:03] | dustybin: | nothing else |
| [12:57:32] | Nido: | i like standard-def |
| [12:57:42] | justinh: | hey hey! http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(21220)NVIDIA-Ge . . . 8MB-PCI.aspx |
| [12:57:55] | directhex: | Nido, how about turtles? |
| [12:58:05] | dustybin: | justinh: that has a fan on it |
| [12:58:09] | Nido: | turtles? |
| [12:58:21] | Nido: | as in the animal? they are nice. |
| [12:58:35] | justinh: | the card I bought had a fan on the website picture too. it doesn't have a fan |
| [12:59:24] | justinh: | and fanless doesn't mean it can live without airflow :P |
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| [13:04:37] | dustybin: | IBM NETVISTA P4 2.4GHz SFF Desktop PC 512MB/40GB/CD/XP + PCI FX5200 = nice cheap frontend, what costs about 1/4 the price of a HTPC case... |
| [13:05:52] | justinh: | hmm I need to find a multichannel USB audio device |
| [13:06:07] | justinh: | multichannel as in multiple stereo outputs |
| [13:06:43] | Huijari: | i'm interested in a power efficient backend for dvb-c |
| [13:07:01] | justinh: | dvb doesn't use CPU during recording |
| [13:07:08] | Huijari: | yeah, i know |
| [13:07:13] | justinh: | you could probably get away with 500Mhz or so |
| [13:07:18] | Huijari: | yeap |
| [13:07:19] | justinh: | but don't skimp on RAM |
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| [13:15:00] | justinh: | jees. a week til pay day, I have loads of cash left & I've gone mad lately buying toys & having big nights out. w t f? |
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| [13:15:44] | justinh: | maybe it only feels like I've gone on spending sprees |
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| [13:30:54] | dustybin: | think those |
| [13:31:08] | dustybin: | Dell GX SFF desktops would make ok SDTV frontends too |
| [13:31:10] | Huijari: | that happened to me too when i was single :P |
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| [13:33:24] | justinh: | I'm not single |
| [13:33:31] | justinh: | not even for tax purposes |
| [13:34:04] | dustybin: | too many decisions, these hp boxes look nice too: http://www.itsco.de/images/afterbuy/pc/d530usdt.jpg |
| [13:34:25] | dustybin: | 1 pci slot for gfx card, job done |
| [13:34:49] | ReikoShea: | what is the spec? |
| [13:34:51] | ReikoShea: | p4? |
| [13:35:09] | dustybin: | P4 2.8 way overkill |
| [13:35:35] | ReikoShea: | yeah, especially for a FE, but still nice |
| [13:35:41] | dustybin: | indeed |
| [13:35:44] | ReikoShea: | id take it in a heartbeat |
| [13:36:03] | ReikoShea: | you could probably setup a VG Emulator to utilize it a little more |
| [13:36:03] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [13:36:10] | dustybin: | the price of that box is still cheaper than a HTPC case lol |
| [13:36:12] | justinh: | VG? |
| [13:36:58] | ReikoShea: | video game |
| [13:37:12] | dustybin: | i think the HP D530 are the best looking SFF desktops, they would fit in well in the frontend |
| [13:37:14] | justinh: | xmame won't tax a CPU much |
| [13:37:24] | sid3windr: | vagina game! |
| [13:37:35] | ReikoShea: | i know, just thinking about what else you could use that cpu for |
| [13:37:39] | sid3windr: | xmame completely killed my previous frontend :p |
| [13:37:45] | sid3windr: | (p3 1GHz) |
| [13:38:03] | ReikoShea: | whoa...thats silly |
| [13:38:54] | ReikoShea: | and btw....evolution (mail) = fail....dont ever subscribe to debian-users if you use evolution for your mail client |
| [13:39:01] | ReikoShea: | it will NOT filter my messages....:( |
| [13:39:15] | ReikoShea: | /offtopic mini-rant |
| [13:39:20] | justinh: | can't remember the last time I used SMTP mail |
| [13:39:27] | justinh: | webmail ftw |
| [13:40:09] | ReikoShea: | *shudders* |
| [13:40:20] | ReikoShea: | i HAVE to have folders |
| [13:40:23] | ReikoShea: | MUST HAVE THEM |
| [13:40:31] | ReikoShea: | gmail = folder free |
| [13:40:57] | justinh: | I don't subscribe to mailing lists either |
| [13:41:37] | ReikoShea: | oh man...they are a god send for me |
| [13:41:43] | dustybin: | do you think i would be able to replace the cd rom drive with a dvd drive in one of these: http://www.itsco.de/images/afterbuy/pc/d530usdt.jpg |
| [13:42:05] | ReikoShea: | definitely |
| [13:42:09] | dustybin: | ace |
| [13:42:17] | dustybin: | i think ive made my decision |
| [13:42:29] | dustybin: | as long as a PCI FX5200 works ok, it will be totally ace |
| [13:42:56] | dustybin: | that box looks NICER than a LOT OF HTPC CASES! |
| [13:43:30] | ReikoShea: | yeah, i agree |
| [13:43:41] | ReikoShea: | that + IR blaster = win |
| [13:44:02] | dustybin: | shit no serial port |
| [13:44:05] | dustybin: | for remote |
| [13:44:20] | justinh: | usb remote |
| [13:44:26] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [13:44:28] | ReikoShea: | yeah |
| [13:44:44] | justinh: | and you think even a low profile pci card will fit in there? |
| [13:44:58] | dustybin: | i dont know justinh ? i should think so? |
| [13:45:10] | dustybin: | ill check the spec |
| [13:45:26] | ReikoShea: | RAWR!!!! F YOU CVS |
| [13:46:03] | dustybin: | cor it looks lovely |
| [13:46:05] | dustybin: | http://i16.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/02/9d/4323_1.JPG |
| [13:46:10] | sid3windr: | ouch, webmail :/ |
| [13:46:22] | ReikoShea: | that is nice w/ the stand |
| [13:46:28] | dustybin: | justinh: there wouldnt be no point of that pci slot if it doesnt take low-profile cards |
| [13:46:53] | sid3windr: | with the stand it sucks to put dvd/cd in |
| [13:47:03] | dustybin: | ill keep it flat |
| [13:47:34] | justinh: | dustybin: doesn't look like the ultraslim model comes with PCI |
| [13:48:10] | dustybin: | justinh: its the same as this http://www.itsco.de/images/afterbuy/pc/d530usdt.jpg |
| [13:48:33] | justinh: | then no PCI |
| [13:48:38] | justinh: | for one it's not high enough |
| [13:48:47] | dustybin: | there is a PCI slot at the back |
| [13:48:48] | justinh: | you'd be talking riser cards |
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| [13:48:59] | dustybin: | yes id imagine it would have a riser |
| [13:49:09] | dustybin: | its even written in the specs |
| [13:49:20] | dustybin: | 1 open PCI slot – no PS/2 ports or AGP slot on this model |
| [13:49:31] | sid3windr: | riser? it'd say sinker! |
| [13:49:46] | hashbang: | heyas |
| [13:50:42] | justinh: | my s100 boxes had a pci slot. the box wasn't tall enough to mount a pci card with or without riser |
| [13:51:47] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [13:51:55] | sid3windr: | this chassis however has a hole for the pci slot |
| [13:51:59] | sid3windr: | so it should work I'd think |
| [13:52:06] | sid3windr: | question is how big of a heatsink may your card have |
| [13:52:44] | ReikoShea: | just get a fanless one |
| [13:52:54] | ReikoShea: | the 5200 doesnt need a lot of clearance |
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| [13:53:32] | sid3windr: | my 8500 wouldn't fit |
| [13:53:37] | sid3windr: | it was passive |
| [13:53:39] | sid3windr: | but massive |
| [13:53:41] | sid3windr: | ;> |
| [13:53:54] | ReikoShea: | the 8500 isnt an old gen card |
| [13:54:00] | dustybin: | it has: Graphics Processor / Vendor: Intel Extreme Graphics 2 built in |
| [13:54:00] | ReikoShea: | its only like 2–3 years old |
| [13:54:10] | ReikoShea: | where as the 5200 is like 6 years old |
| [13:54:45] | ReikoShea: | *gag* at intel extreme |
| [13:54:47] | dustybin: | Chipset Type: Intel 865G |
| [13:54:54] | ReikoShea: | whoa |
| [13:54:54] | gbee: | just read about a guy who replaced the screen of his Aspire One with a touchscreen, for £20 ... is it wrong that I'm already thinking of doing the same before mine has even arrived? I keep thinking about running a frontend on there with touchscreen ... :D |
| [13:54:59] | ReikoShea: | thats a blast from the past |
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| [13:55:22] | sid3windr: | ReikoShea: 8400 fits fine though |
| [13:55:23] | dustybin: | here the full specs |
| [13:55:25] | dustybin: | http://www.ciao.co.uk/HP_Compaq_Business_Desk . . . lim__5363781 |
| [13:55:26] | sid3windr: | heatsink is way smaller :) |
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| [13:56:06] | ReikoShea: | 8400 = dregs |
| [13:56:26] | justinh: | effing graphics card snobs |
| [13:56:32] | ReikoShea: | :) |
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| [13:56:38] | ReikoShea: | i used to be a gamer |
| [13:56:40] | ReikoShea: | what can i say |
| [13:56:52] | ReikoShea: | when it comes to Myth, i dont care about that kinda thing |
| [13:56:54] | justinh: | muh muh muh, not even giggly textures per sec! less fwags! :_( |
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| [13:57:18] | sid3windr: | wtf is dregs :p |
| [13:57:29] | hashbang: | is there a way of getting MythMusic to scan for new music without doing it through mythfrontend? |
| [13:57:33] | sid3windr: | I just wanted a graphics card for my frontends |
| [13:57:35] | justinh: | NO |
| [13:57:42] | ReikoShea: | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dregs |
| [13:57:42] | sid3windr: | passively cooled, and by nvidia. those were my requirements |
| [13:57:43] | sid3windr: | hehe |
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| [13:58:00] | sid3windr: | oh. DREGS. |
| [13:58:02] | sid3windr: | :] thanks |
| [13:58:03] | justinh: | hashbang: set it to browse files :-P |
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| [13:58:07] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [13:58:08] | gbee: | hashbang: not in 0.21 anyway, if I get time – possibly in 0.22, big IF |
| [13:58:20] | justinh: | why pander to the downloaders? |
| [13:58:21] | hashbang: | gbee: right; was hoping for something in mythweb, maybe |
| [13:58:42] | hashbang: | gbee: or, failing that, something on the commandline |
| [13:58:46] | dustybin: | does mythbuntu boot the frontend the quickest possible way |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | dustybin: no |
| [13:59:11] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:59:14] | ReikoShea: | im out for a bit |
| [13:59:15] | ReikoShea: | meeting |
| [13:59:26] | dustybin: | i think i might do my own customized frontend using lenny then |
| [13:59:27] | justinh: | it still starts a lot of unneccessary (IMHO) stuff |
| [13:59:53] | dustybin: | very minimal lenny install |
| [14:00:16] | dustybin: | use fluxbox as window manager |
| [14:00:20] | justinh: | a minimal install doesn't guarantee a quick boot |
| [14:00:26] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [14:00:27] | gbee: | hashbang: would require the frontend on the machine in question, or better still the music scanning code moved to the backend |
| [14:00:32] | justinh: | make the boot process minimal |
| [14:00:47] | dustybin: | justinh: that would be stripping a lot of shit out |
| [14:00:50] | hashbang: | gbee: yup. :-( |
| [14:00:54] | justinh: | yeah so? |
| [14:01:22] | justinh: | gawd, all this pandering to users too lazy to scan dirs manually.. next thing you know we'll have UI bling! |
| [14:01:23] | dustybin: | at least lenny wont be updating stupidily like ubuntu |
| [14:01:37] | dustybin: | when lenny goes stable it will be just security and bugs |
| [14:02:05] | ** justinh hasn't updated his dapper backend.. like ever ** | |
| [14:02:15] | justinh: | it still works fine |
| [14:02:17] | ** dustybin dreams of this in the living room: http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/e7/ae/3d92_1_b.JPG ** | |
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| [14:03:51] | gbee: | whatever floats your boat, personally my dreams are much more exciting |
| [14:04:13] | sid3windr: | like, _TEN_ of those in your bedroom?! |
| [14:04:32] | dustybin: | hopefully this pci graphics card will fit ok inside it |
| [14:04:35] | dustybin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . photohosting |
| [14:05:11] | justinh: | hopefully you'll SHHHH about it soon |
| [14:05:37] | sid3windr: | description doesn't fit the pic anyway |
| [14:05:51] | sid3windr: | ah, at the top it says the description is lying |
| [14:07:45] | justinh: | http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m330/PaulA . . . eknuckel.jpg :-O |
| [14:09:14] | sid3windr: | :/ |
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| [14:27:55] | justinh: | ffs dev list. muh george cross. we've taken the Union flag back off the BNP & it no longer represents backwards thinking bigots |
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| [14:31:52] | jblack: | EINSANE |
| [14:33:34] | ** gbee blames Colin ** | |
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| [14:35:35] | dustybin: | the day just gets better |
| [14:35:38] | dustybin: | "One of their best features from my view is that they are nearly silent." |
| [14:36:15] | justinh: | .. when you squirt fun cream from an aerosol into both ears & wrap your head in cotton wool |
| [14:37:00] | justinh: | the epia board I had was 'near silent'.. only it wasn't. it whined louder than #ubuntu |
| [14:38:05] | justinh: | then again I think the clock in our livingroom is too noisy |
| [14:38:36] | ** iamlindoro 's whole live pretty much revolves around squirting fun cream ** | |
| [14:38:41] | iamlindoro: | s/live/life/ |
| [14:39:11] | justinh: | I can't tell you what we call it at home. TMI |
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| [14:42:49] | justinh: | ah. don't think I'll be attending that DJing audition. not at the club which hands out free poppers at the door |
| [14:44:16] | AndyCap: | poppers? is this a gay club? |
| [14:45:10] | Maliuta: | poppers? probably has a different meaning where I come from |
| [14:45:22] | justinh: | nothing against it being a gay club.. I don't even mind people taking drugs all that much. but somebody doing coke doesn't necessarily affect anybody else. poppers stinks the place out |
| [14:46:15] | AndyCap: | ah. I see, poppers are illegal to supply in the UK. |
| [14:46:23] | justinh: | no they're not |
| [14:46:44] | justinh: | er.. not those little bottles of evil amyl nitrate |
| [14:46:48] | AndyCap: | hmm, where's the edit button. |
| [14:46:55] | alexvd_: | hi i have a issue with mplayer in mythvideo where i will lose sound for movies. My recordings and music all work. I output all audio over spdif. I get no errors in the logs and then all of a sudden it will fix itself at some point but I dont know why or how |
| [14:47:05] | AndyCap: | Amyl nitrite is controlled under the Medicines Act, and although possession is legal, supply may be an offence |
| [14:47:11] | justinh: | alexvd_: so use Internal |
| [14:47:14] | AndyCap: | is what it says right now at wikipeida. |
| [14:47:33] | justinh: | AndyCap: well, a lot of places MAY be breaking the law very openly, then ;) |
| [14:47:48] | AndyCap: | justinh: wouldn't be the first time. |
| [14:47:48] | alexvd_: | justinh: i do but it has problems with ff and rew |
| [14:48:00] | justinh: | ahh stupid mkv files |
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| [14:49:16] | justinh: | so smoking's been made to look very antisocial.. I think it's time public inhilation of stimulants got the treatment too |
| [14:50:04] | AndyCap: | they could start handing out N2O capsules at the door in stead. |
| [14:50:30] | directhex: | or cake. cake always makes me feel good. |
| [14:50:48] | justinh: | cake is evil & should be banned |
| [14:51:04] | directhex: | :o |
| [14:51:13] | justinh: | my sister got addicted to it. she wasn't that bad on heroin |
| [14:51:25] | directhex: | cake is a made-up drug. |
| [14:51:29] | justinh: | I know |
| [14:51:36] | AndyCap: | did she get czech neck? |
| [14:51:38] | justinh: | I watched Brass Eye too |
| [14:51:56] | justinh: | I live in fear of The Spurt though.. that's nasty |
| [14:53:57] | AndyCap: | if your name was file, would you name your son peter? |
| [14:55:17] | justinh: | ahh I meant The Gush... |
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| [15:32:04] | ** iamlindoro_ punches the Unison devlopers ** | |
| [15:32:32] | justinh: | !trout firefox3 |
| [15:32:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps firefox3 with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [15:32:33] | iamlindoro_: | Who writes a tool that spends eight hours polling which files to copy and THEN asks for a single keystroke confirm? |
| [15:32:56] | iamlindoro_: | Oh well, here's to another day of watching files copy while pestering people in IRC |
| [15:32:58] | justinh: | I thought I'd fixed it. oops |
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| [15:42:03] | ** justinh chuckles at http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m330/PaulA . . . titled13.jpg ** | |
| [15:42:07] | dustybin: | Power Provided: 150 Watt <-- not bad |
| [15:43:11] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Amusingly, I have been to that Dunkin's |
| [15:43:13] | justinh: | that won't be loud enough for a good party though. for 300 or so people, figure about 1k |
| [15:43:38] | ajh: | iamlindoro, peckish after being nabbed and released for D&D? |
| [15:44:06] | iamlindoro_: | ajh: As a former peace officer I resent the implication :) |
| [15:44:20] | ajh: | Oh come on, cops are the worst for that kind of thing :) |
| [15:44:57] | ajh: | I think perhaps I know too many military and police people. :) |
| [15:45:45] | justinh: | last squaddies I met wanted to put me in hospital, so I'm not mad keen on army types |
| [15:45:59] | dustybin: | justinh: why was that? :-0 |
| [15:46:17] | justinh: | because they were dickheads out for a ruck |
| [15:46:29] | dustybin: | like football types |
| [15:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... wonder if the GPU spec release will leak over to the tuners w/ the All-in-wonders (not that I want one) |
| [15:46:51] | justinh: | never been set upon by football types |
| [15:46:52] | AndyCap: | that's what you get for not keeping dangerous dogs in a fenced in yard. |
| [15:47:29] | dustybin: | Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep3 Watt |
| [15:48:02] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin is becoming as bad as clever for dumping specs and pastes into channel |
| [15:48:11] | ajh: | Power is going to mean a whole lot more in a few months when I'm depending on wind :) |
| [15:48:12] | justinh: | AndyCap: I'm not sure psychos are the best kind of people to send into dangerous situations. rather them than me though ;) |
| [15:48:33] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: is it possible to put a frontend to sleep? then wake it up and carry on using the frontend as usual? |
| [15:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: yes, very much so |
| [15:48:46] | dustybin: | ace |
| [15:48:56] | iamlindoro_: | read the Mythwelcome wiki page, discusses the crap out of it |
| [15:49:05] | justinh: | I thought putting something to sleep involved killing it |
| [15:49:06] | ajh: | and it should be the default approach. :) |
| [15:49:20] | dustybin: | if thats the case, im not going to bother putting a 7200rpm HD inside it, im going to boot it from a hitachi mini drive |
| [15:49:25] | ajh: | That or if you're using an iphone remote when they eventually mature, they've got a WoL option :) |
| [15:49:26] | justinh: | should so not be the default |
| [15:49:26] | AndyCap: | justinh: depends on the situation. :) |
| [15:49:27] | dustybin: | then even less power |
| [15:49:36] | justinh: | power saving is for hippies & believers in climate change |
| [15:49:52] | webvictim: | or those who care about huge energy bills. ;) |
| [15:50:05] | ajh: | or people who don't think you should need a dedicated AC for your system room. |
| [15:50:08] | justinh: | webvictim: the poor, you mean? lol |
| [15:50:12] | gbee: | or those with tiny laptop batteries ... |
| [15:50:27] | webvictim: | justinh: i don't think it's quite as simple as that. |
| [15:50:28] | ajh: | Wind+Solar+Bio in a few months here, hope to cut my monthly by about $500. |
| [15:50:44] | justinh: | $500 a MONTH? |
| [15:50:49] | webvictim: | the rich don't give a fuck about climate change anyway. they drive 4x4s and sports cars because they can |
| [15:50:51] | ajh: | Overall. |
| [15:51:00] | justinh: | what the ??? |
| [15:51:03] | ajh: | You can run B100 in oil furnaces. |
| [15:51:06] | dustybin: | ill boot it from one of these: http://apple.corante.com/images/hitachi_microdrive4gb.jpg |
| [15:51:14] | justinh: | dustybin: netbootay |
| [15:51:18] | ajh: | Plus in 300TDI's |
| [15:51:20] | dustybin: | nope i dont like netboot |
| [15:51:24] | justinh: | it's not slower than HDD |
| [15:51:27] | webvictim: | so the rich can afford to run everything all the time and bugger the consequences |
| [15:51:34] | webvictim: | the poor get handouts to help |
| [15:51:45] | webvictim: | and it's the people in the middle that get stuffed :/ |
| [15:51:46] | AndyCap: | microdrives? oh please, expensive crap |
| [15:51:50] | dustybin: | where abouts do you store the net image? |
| [15:51:56] | justinh: | to hell with the poor. it's not my fault they don't have a job |
| [15:52:15] | justinh: | dustybin: on my always-on backend |
| [15:52:19] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [15:52:47] | justinh: | it needn't be always on of course. I could have it switch off during the night |
| [15:52:48] | dustybin: | AndyCap: those are pretty cheap |
| [15:53:05] | ajh: | justinh, I'm also moving from a 4.6L V8 to a 200/300TDI in that time. |
| [15:53:35] | ajh: | and, I drive a whole lot some times of year, 2500km in a weekend kinda thing. |
| [15:53:41] | justinh: | still though..$500 on a domestic bill? |
| [15:53:48] | webvictim: | justinh: again, it's not really the point. i have a job, it pays me well enough, but i still don't want to fork out silly amounts for energy bills. ;) |
| [15:53:48] | justinh: | a month?! |
| [15:53:55] | dustybin: | justinh: does your netboot with errors? |
| [15:53:56] | ajh: | You don't get -40C do you. |
| [15:54:12] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Explain your dislike for netbooting. Detail how many times you have set up and used netboot. Corollate this number, less than one, with your strong opinions on the matter. 100 words or less. Go. |
| [15:54:39] | ajh: | PXE into iSCSI and bang you're up. |
| [15:54:40] | dustybin: | netbooting is hit or miss, one should only install a OS on the working hardware |
| [15:54:41] | justinh: | dustybin: once in a while the NIC won't initialise. takes 2 hits |
| [15:54:56] | justinh: | no big deal |
| [15:55:05] | AndyCap: | dustybin: ?!? |
| [15:55:11] | justinh: | saved money, heat & noise by having no HDD |
| [15:55:25] | ajh: | Not having a hard drive in a machine saves a pile of heat and noise. |
| [15:55:25] | justinh: | what's a little inconvenience? |
| [15:55:25] | dustybin: | ok you win, ill give netbooting a go |
| [15:55:34] | justinh: | blinkin poofs scared to try stuff |
| [15:55:39] | ajh: | and if you bond some GigE... :) |
| [15:57:07] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Netbooting is *way* less hit or miss than you think it is. Just look at how well anonymous oral sex in bathrooms from strangers worked out for you! |
| [15:57:09] | justinh: | ajh: anyway, fair dues. must take some heating to make life bearable there |
| [15:57:13] | dustybin: | justinh, if you rekon we have another 2+ years of freeview, i might buy another one if im happy with it |
| [15:57:21] | dustybin: | lol |
| [15:57:25] | justinh: | way more than 2 years |
| [15:57:27] | ajh: | justin, well heating half the year, lots of cooling the rest. :) |
| [15:57:40] | ** justinh blames Canada ** | |
| [15:57:47] | dustybin: | justinh: if i buy 2x identical machines, that would be perfect for netboot |
| [15:58:04] | justinh: | dustybin: you CAN do more than one nfsroot :P |
| [15:58:16] | justinh: | set it up per MAC ID ;) |
| [15:58:30] | ajh: | Use iSCSI and not NFS if you can. |
| [15:58:36] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [15:58:39] | dustybin: | is there a way to copy all your frontend settings between different frontends in your home? |
| [15:58:39] | ajh: | Then you don't have to deal with all the locking issues etc. |
| [15:58:39] | iamlindoro_: | oof |
| [15:58:39] | justinh: | why? |
| [15:58:47] | ajh: | It just looks like local storage. |
| [15:58:49] | justinh: | what locking issues? |
| [15:58:56] | ajh: | Oh they're there :) |
| [15:59:05] | ajh: | flock vs dotlock etc. |
| [15:59:12] | iamlindoro_: | you are just going to confuse dustybin further, and make him spin out with even more wacky theories and plans |
| [15:59:22] | justinh: | sure if you try & use the same nfsroot for multiple machines. jesus |
| [15:59:28] | justinh: | nfs is FINE |
| [15:59:31] | ajh: | Yeah, I guess do what you can find the howto for. |
| [15:59:43] | dustybin: | SDTV FTW |
| [15:59:50] | iamlindoro_: | uhhh |
| [16:00:01] | iamlindoro_: | And that was the only time THOSE words were ever spoken |
| [16:00:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: nope. I'm gonna say em again. SDTV FTW |
| [16:00:31] | iamlindoro_: | Bah |
| [16:00:31] | justinh: | and I mean it |
| [16:00:35] | justinh: | HD == waste of money |
| [16:00:44] | iamlindoro_: | Not at all, when done *right* |
| [16:01:03] | iamlindoro_: | which is to say, not half-assedly like broadcast MPEG-2 |
| [16:02:04] | dustybin: | HD is for 2025, not 2008 |
| [16:02:08] | justinh: | where are those OLED panels anyhow? |
| [16:02:08] | ajh: | when's the last time something was done not half-assedly? |
| [16:02:28] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: only if your name is clever, black_nightmare, or dustybin |
| [16:02:34] | ajh: | justinh, yeah really, those would make the largest power consumption difference. |
| [16:03:00] | iamlindoro_: | When we're all on super-hi-vision you'll be coming in the virtual reality #mythtv-users-2025 and asking if it's the right time to adopt HDTV |
| [16:03:04] | justinh: | basically, I want the mythical HIGH DEFINITION display (worth throwing my CRT out for in terms of contrast & brightness) people have been talking about for a few years now |
| [16:03:18] | ajh: | get a Barcodata projector then. |
| [16:03:27] | ajh: | CRT projection HD is nice. :) |
| [16:03:39] | ajh: | Oh, and trade your car in to get it. :) |
| [16:03:52] | AndyCap: | hehe a barcoreality 909 |
| [16:04:00] | justinh: | there's barely enough watchable material to warrant a £1000 telly let alone something like that |
| [16:04:38] | AndyCap: | there's google earth, and stellarium. |
| [16:04:39] | dustybin: | what about all the thousands of films what werent recorded in HD |
| [16:04:39] | ajh: | It always comes down to that. Which is why my decent audio is on the computer for stereo and not on the tv. |
| [16:04:47] | ** justinh wonders if there was much of a debate about colour TV before it became so widespread ** | |
| [16:04:48] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, heroes season 3 soming next month... will no one stop the madness? |
| [16:04:48] | ajh: | film is higher than HD. |
| [16:04:59] | AndyCap: | justinh: colour tv was dangerous. |
| [16:05:29] | jblack: | Color TVs are still dangerous... Especially when dropped from the fifth floor. |
| [16:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: as ajh mentions, film will ALWAYS be ready for 1080p transfers, as the effective resolution is over four times that |
| [16:05:45] | dustybin: | oh |
| [16:05:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you think for one sec that super-hi-vision would ever be allowed to work with open source stuff? |
| [16:06:14] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Where there's a will there's a way.... eventually. |
| [16:06:24] | justinh: | HDTV is like 2 megapixels or so, tops |
| [16:07:06] | justinh: | film is like er... loads more |
| [16:07:11] | justinh: | I found a site comparing em once |
| [16:07:54] | ajh: | Pre-degraded film that is. |
| [16:08:04] | ajh: | Both time and light reduce it dramatically and very quickly. |
| [16:08:26] | iamlindoro_: | Most of the film -> 1080p mastering is done at 4000–6000 vertical line resolution, which allegedly captures all of the perceivable fidelity. |
| [16:08:48] | justinh: | and don't get the multi-generational print you see at the cinema confused with what film really looks like ;) |
| [16:09:39] | AndyCap: | blade runner the final cut at the cinema was very pretty btw. :) |
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| [16:45:23] | wagnerrp: | i didnt like the color in Final Cut |
| [16:45:33] | wagnerrp: | everything was made too bluish, and clean |
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| [18:26:58] | till: | hi all |
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| [18:29:33] | till: | got a problem here. if i'm running mythbackend in a terminal with user rights i got no problem. but if i'm running it a s a daemon through "sudo /etc/init.d/myth-backend" i cant watch tv... |
| [18:29:38] | till: | any idea? |
| [18:30:32] | wagnerrp: | i almost guarantee thats its a user permission problem |
| [18:30:45] | wagnerrp: | when you run it from the terminal, what user are you running as? |
| [18:30:51] | ** PatrickDK wonders how many days ago iamlindoro sent me this message ** | |
| [18:31:27] | wagnerrp: | when you run it from the daemon, what user are you running as? |
| [18:31:35] | wagnerrp: | when you run the frontend, what user are you running as? |
| [18:32:25] | wagnerrp: | anyway, my guess is that when you run from the terminal, you are running under your user account |
| [18:32:39] | wagnerrp: | and the recordings folder is locked as readable only by your user |
| [18:32:55] | wagnerrp: | err... only writable by your user, readable by everyone |
| [18:33:25] | wagnerrp: | so the init script starts up a daemon as 'mythtv:mythtv', which subsequently cannot write to the recordings folder, and fails |
| [18:34:34] | till: | wagnerrp, yes i'm running as the user |
| [18:34:58] | till: | or with user rights, whatever you would like to say ;) |
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| [18:35:37] | wagnerrp: | check the permissions on the recordings folder |
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| [18:35:52] | wagnerrp: | that should probably be mythtv:mythtv 750 (or 755) |
| [18:36:02] | wagnerrp: | actually, thats what it should be |
| [18:36:05] | wagnerrp: | its probably not that |
| [18:36:37] | wagnerrp: | change it to be so, always run the backend as user 'mythtv', and the frontend doesnt care because it only needs read access to those files |
| [18:36:50] | wagnerrp: | 755 lets everyone use them |
| [18:36:58] | wagnerrp: | 750 means you have to be in the group 'mythtv' to use them |
| [18:37:36] | till: | the recordings folder belongs to the user |
| [18:37:51] | till: | drwxr-xr-x |
| [18:37:56] | till: | whatever that means |
| [18:38:05] | wagnerrp: | thats 755 |
| [18:38:22] | wagnerrp: | directory, read-write-execute user, read-execute group, read-execute all |
| [18:38:45] | till: | how set the rights so this folder belongs to mythtv? |
| [18:38:49] | till: | +to |
| [18:38:57] | justinh: | man chmod |
| [18:39:02] | justinh: | man linux |
| [18:39:06] | justinh: | and man man |
| [18:39:06] | wagnerrp: | man chown |
| [18:39:25] | till: | sorry justinh :/ |
| [18:39:53] | wagnerrp: | chmod and chown are the two you want to learn to use currently |
| [18:40:08] | wagnerrp: | justinh is implying that you need to learn the basics of linux as well before continuing |
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| [18:41:12] | till: | wagnerrp, i know i have to learn the basics, but sitting here with a big book and learning every single commandline tool... |
| [18:41:21] | till: | i dont think thats the right way |
| [18:41:39] | justinh: | so learn as you go along like so many others before you |
| [18:41:50] | wagnerrp: | youre not learning every command line tool, just the important ones |
| [18:41:57] | wagnerrp: | chmod and chown are VERY important |
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| [18:42:20] | justinh: | knowing what the numbers mean isn't strictly necessary though, thank the Lord |
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| [18:42:46] | wagnerrp: | but the numbers are such an easy concept... |
| [18:43:06] | wagnerrp: | execute (1), write (2), read (4) |
| [18:43:10] | wagnerrp: | just add them together |
| [18:43:19] | justinh: | yes. it's a bunch of bitmasks |
| [18:43:26] | wagnerrp: | full access is 7, read+execute is 5 |
| [18:43:27] | justinh: | very boring |
| [18:43:32] | justinh: | VERY boring |
| [18:43:51] | gbee: | always have the fallback of g+r,w-w,o+x |
| [18:44:55] | till: | changing the owner did the trick :D |
| [18:44:57] | till: | thanks! |
| [18:45:06] | till: | now the next task... ;) |
| [18:46:00] | andreax: | Ah, Linux-Essentials-Channel... :) |
| [18:46:40] | till: | tills-getting-bashed-as-newbie-channel ;) |
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| [18:46:56] | andreax: | hehe |
| [18:47:05] | justinh: | newbies are fine. needies are not as fine |
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| [18:47:31] | andreax: | Needies? |
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| [18:48:08] | teprrr: | gimme-everything-right-now |
| [18:48:31] | till: | sorry for beig a "needie" |
| [18:48:35] | till: | +n |
| [18:48:57] | andreax: | Ahja, that's true – that wasn't meant against newbies – everyone starts driving... |
| [18:49:10] | gbee: | till: don't sweat it, we just tend to get a little tired and grumpy after a while |
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| [18:51:00] | gbee: | I'm unbelievably bored |
| [18:51:34] | hume: | hi...i have some problems playing videos with myth: myth is set to use mplayer -vo xv – however, if I run mplayer alone with xv, it cannot play video. But myth can play DVDs – does it not use mplayer for that as well? |
| [18:51:44] | justinh: | no |
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| [18:51:50] | hume: | no to me? |
| [18:51:54] | justinh: | why not just use Internal? |
| [18:52:11] | hume: | can I use "Internal" for avi files with subtitles? |
| [18:52:14] | justinh: | ah wait. it's still the blimmin default |
| [18:52:21] | justinh: | depends on the subtitles# |
| [18:52:42] | hume: | they are srt files – does that mean anything? |
| [18:52:48] | gbee: | .srt and something else are supported as external formats |
| [18:53:17] | gbee: | lots of internal formats are supported, including DVB, DVD, CC, Teletext etc |
| [18:53:51] | hume: | does that mean that I can use Internal? |
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| [18:54:05] | teprrr: | try and see? it's worked ok for me at least |
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| [18:54:20] | teprrr: | though the vertical spacing is a bit too tight I think |
| [18:54:21] | GreyFoxx: | hume if the subtitle is in the same dir as the video |
| [18:54:24] | GreyFoxx: | and has the same name |
| [18:54:25] | teprrr: | but it may depend on subtitles also |
| [18:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | then yes |
| [18:54:30] | GreyFoxx: | just hit T |
| [18:55:05] | hume: | T? |
| [18:55:14] | justinh: | as in the letter T |
| [18:55:15] | teprrr: | GreyFoxx, hmm, does internal allow cycling through subtitle files found from the same directory even if their basename aren't the same? |
| [18:55:32] | gbee: | the 'T' key, or bring up the menu and select subtitles |
| [18:55:36] | hume: | wow....seems to work |
| [18:55:42] | justinh: | the base filename has to be the same. you've just been told |
| [18:56:25] | teprrr: | ew |
| [18:56:26] | hume: | mmm....you guys are worth your weight in gold...:) i have 2 very happy kids here now...:) |
| [18:56:31] | gbee: | teprrr: no, the restriction on having the same basename makes more sense – if you've hundreds of videos with subtitle files it would be unmanagable |
| [18:56:35] | hume: | and I am happy...thx a lot |
| [18:56:51] | gbee: | can I collect? :p |
| [18:57:04] | gbee: | just let me finish this pie first |
| [18:57:07] | GreyFoxx: | tep: Nope |
| [18:57:13] | GreyFoxx: | must be exact but with a .srt extension |
| [18:57:20] | teprrr: | yup, doesn't make much sense with large video dirs |
| [18:57:36] | teprrr: | though it could always try to prefer the one with the same basename |
| [18:57:43] | hume: | but why does the subtitle files show in the library as well as the films thenselves? |
| [18:57:56] | wagnerrp: | i should probably switch my frontend over to the Internal player... |
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| [18:58:44] | wagnerrp: | of course that will probably change the behavior of the remote, which will piss people off... |
| [18:59:22] | justinh: | how about a weekly cron job to jiggle remote buttons around just to add to the fun? |
| [18:59:51] | gbee: | hume: sounds like you've got the file browse mode enabled, or whatever it is that causes all files to show up |
| [19:01:00] | justinh: | not having 'ignore unknown file types' set |
| [19:01:28] | hume: | gbee, think i got it now, it was set to show files unrecognized which i changed now |
| [19:01:41] | hume: | but is there a way to change the subtitle font? |
| [19:01:46] | gbee: | probably, I only know the option from the code side of things |
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| [19:01:57] | gbee: | hume: yes, under tv settings somewhere |
| [19:02:07] | hume: | :) somewhere... |
| [19:02:13] | justinh: | appearance settings these days IIRC |
| [19:02:24] | justinh: | used to be in tv playback settings |
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| [19:03:37] | gbee: | really? Not sure whether I like the idea of them being under appearance ... makes a certain amount of sense, but ... |
| [19:03:55] | justinh: | it's an appearance setting more than a playback setting |
| [19:04:04] | justinh: | I didn't like them where they were |
| [19:05:51] | till: | got a question about the epg view... if there is a header in this grid saying "11:00" where is 11:00? at the beginning of the row? in the middle? |
| [19:06:04] | justinh: | duh it's now under playback OSD.. in trunk anyway |
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| [19:06:08] | gbee: | I don't like those settings at all ... allowing the user to set a different font for every single CC style is overkill |
| [19:06:20] | gbee: | justinh: ahh, that sounds about right |
| [19:06:49] | gbee: | beginning, although it may depend on the theme |
| [19:08:28] | justinh: | I hate themes at the mo. |
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| [19:08:53] | gbee: | till: in this screenshot, those programmes in the second block (Monarchy etc) begin at 21:00 – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/metallurgy62.png |
| [19:09:11] | justinh: | though that's probably because of the lameness of ubuntu on this laptop |
| [19:10:57] | gbee: | last time I buy a "Summer Fruits", limited editon beer, it's given me an instant headache |
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| [19:11:49] | justinh: | agrgghhhhhh fucking uselessbuntu. stop locking up!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [19:12:10] | gbee: | doesn't taste that great either, if it did I might forgive the migraine |
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| [19:15:11] | till: | thanks gbee, i was too stupid to read the epg overview correct *sigh* |
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| [19:38:07] | hadees: | wow Systm did another episode on building a MythTV box |
| [19:38:19] | wagnerrp: | system? |
| [19:38:31] | hadees: | wagnerrp, http://revision3.com/systm/bmwt/ |
| [19:38:35] | AndyCap: | some Kevin rose show |
| [19:38:48] | wagnerrp: | kevin rose? |
| [19:38:53] | justinh: | another one they quickly skim over the facts & make it look really easy? |
| [19:38:54] | hadees: | AndyCap, Kevin Rose isn't on the show |
| [19:39:05] | justinh: | kevin rose, of digg.com |
| [19:39:08] | hadees: | justinh, i don't know, i haven't watched it yet |
| [19:39:16] | gbee: | digg.com? |
| [19:39:18] | wagnerrp: | seems im not really up on my techy celebrities |
| [19:39:24] | AndyCap: | hadees: I'm pretty sure I've seen him on some episodes |
| [19:39:27] | AndyCap: | like asterisk |
| [19:39:43] | hadees: | AndyCap, the first few but the show is now just Patrick Norton |
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| [19:39:59] | AndyCap: | does he wear his tie sloppily as well? :) |
| [19:40:21] | hadees: | lol, i haven't seen him in a tie |
| [19:40:28] | justinh: | gbee: you must've heard of digg surely |
| [19:40:49] | gbee: | don't call me Shirley! |
| [19:40:57] | hadees: | i like Rev3 shows for the most part |
| [19:41:11] | gbee: | justinh: just some silliness on my part |
| [19:41:13] | AndyCap: | He was on the other computer channel |
| [19:41:22] | justinh: | give em one thing – their 1st look at mythtv didn't come with any falsehoods |
| [19:41:26] | hadees: | sure Systm isn't really indepth but it gives you a good overview of a lot of shit, it is like not liking this old house because they don't show you actually how to build a house |
| [19:41:27] | AndyCap: | before G4tv or whatever. |
| [19:41:41] | justinh: | none of this "browse the web while watching TV" bollocks ;) |
| [19:41:59] | hadees: | AndyCap, TechTV |
| [19:42:05] | AndyCap: | hadees: Right! |
| [19:42:13] | hadees: | like half the talent of Rev3 are from TechTV |
| [19:42:23] | AndyCap: | exiles |
| [19:42:52] | hadees: | lol, well when G4 bought their network, ruined it, then canceled all their shows they went to the web |
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| [19:44:20] | hadees: | the thing i love about Rev3 is the shows have real production value, i can't watch any more video podcasts that look like they were shot in someones basement with a quickcam |
| [19:46:47] | hadees: | Anyone have any suggestions on a good bed room pc that can handle decoding HDTV? Originally i was going to go with a macmini but they cost to much, i was thinking possibly a mac mini knock off or something |
| [19:47:08] | hadees: | specifically decoding the video coming out of a HD-PVR |
| [19:47:39] | wagnerrp: | well decoding HDTV, and decoding an HD-PVR are two completely different things |
| [19:47:48] | iamlindoro: | Not wanting to spend more than a mac mini + Hd-PVR playback = incompatible |
| [19:48:39] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the HD-PVR encodes in a single slice? |
| [19:48:45] | iamlindoro: | At least, currently. If the new libavcodec multithread stuff delivers as promised and shakes out the bugs in the next few months, it may become feasible for something *about* Mac Mini level to do it, but I wouldn't expect to spend less |
| [19:48:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yep |
| [19:48:52] | hadees: | iamlindoro, you really think the macmini is the best price? |
| [19:49:17] | wagnerrp: | a minimac will (currently) be insufficient |
| [19:49:22] | iamlindoro: | hadees, For that size, spec, and aesthetic, yes |
| [19:49:26] | hadees: | wagnerrp, well i was talking about HDTV in a more abstract term |
| [19:49:29] | iamlindoro: | but yes, currently insufficient |
| [19:49:36] | iamlindoro: | will work fine for *anything* else, though |
| [19:50:07] | iamlindoro: | anyway, apparently the new multithread stuff perfectly evenly divides the playback of HD-PVr stuff on the processors, but gives corrupted video after some amount of time |
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| [19:50:18] | hadees: | h264 takes more work then say decoding QAM right? |
| [19:50:18] | iamlindoro: | so the rendering needs fixing |
| [19:50:21] | hadees: | mpeg |
| [19:50:26] | iamlindoro: | yes, much more work |
| [19:50:49] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well actually that is perfect, i don't have a hdtv in my bedroom yet anyway |
| [19:50:50] | wagnerrp: | well with a standard decoder, you probably need a midrange core2 (duo or quad makes no different), or a high end athlon |
| [19:50:52] | gbee: | ++ |
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| [19:51:02] | iamlindoro: | but the Mac Mini will do either fine, the only thing I wouldn't expect it to do perfectly *today* is HD-PVr output-- but that may change very shortly (read: next few months) |
| [19:51:28] | hadees: | iamlindoro, and you think the 1.8 intel macmini will be enough in the next few months? |
| [19:51:34] | teprrr: | I have amd x2 4600+ and that isn't enough for h264 :) |
| [19:51:37] | hadees: | i might just bite the bullet and buy one then |
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| [19:51:48] | teprrr: | or not at least for what the local provider is transmitting |
| [19:51:49] | dustybin: | to hell with hd |
| [19:51:51] | hadees: | teprrr, what are you using to decode it? |
| [19:51:58] | iamlindoro: | hadees, it would be 100% speculation on my part, no idea |
| [19:52:09] | gbee: | teprrr: HD?? My x2 3600 does HD h.264 |
| [19:52:28] | dustybin: | you'll need a tad more than a mac mini for hd, you will need shit loads of storage |
| [19:52:29] | teprrr: | yup, 1080i, h264 and so |
| [19:52:37] | teprrr: | hadees, hmm, what do you mean what? :) |
| [19:52:44] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, incorrect |
| [19:52:45] | hadees: | dustybin, um, i only need it for a frontend |
| [19:53:02] | wagnerrp: | hadees: if nothing else you can run a tanscoding job to recompress to h264 CAVLC, or xvid or mpeg2 |
| [19:53:17] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, The (high end) Mac Mini will happily handle up to blu-ray bitrate h.264 as long as it's multithreaded with a tiny bit of work |
| [19:53:33] | hadees: | wagnerrp, can you do that per frontend? my main frontend can handle h264 with no problem |
| [19:53:57] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: maybe so, but there still isnt any decent HD screens |
| [19:53:58] | hadees: | wagnerrp, i would actually like to do that to make my HD viewable on SD |
| [19:54:08] | hadees: | since my bedroom only has a SD TV right now |
| [19:54:13] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, You are out of your mind, there are TONS of decent screens |
| [19:54:13] | gbee: | teprrr: actually higher bitrates aren't the problem, it's the lower bitrate (high compression) stuff that causes most processors to struggle |
| [19:54:18] | hadees: | but i have an HDTV in my living room |
| [19:54:24] | iamlindoro: | anyway, gtg |
| [19:54:28] | wagnerrp: | hadees: so you just play it and the video card scales the video |
| [19:54:36] | teprrr: | gbee, yeah, sure. just trying to figure out how to get some numbers out frm that stream |
| [19:55:07] | gbee: | teprrr: sorry, was aiming that at iamlindoro, just mis-typed |
| [19:55:18] | dustybin: | before anyone makes a decision, wait until summer is over, there might be hardware acceleration by then |
| [19:55:18] | hadees: | wagnerrp, will that really work out well? i thought transcoding it would be better |
| [19:55:48] | wagnerrp: | one way or another, youre going to scale the video |
| [19:56:03] | wagnerrp: | if youve got the power to do that in real time, why bother with transcoding? |
| [19:56:22] | hadees: | i guess you are right but then we get back to the same issue finding a good looking small bed room pc that can decode h264 |
| [19:57:11] | dustybin: | reasons why im NOT going HD: 1.. hardly no HD in UK 2.. requires extra storage for recordings 3.. require a expensive HD display 4.. wait until linux hardware accerlation takes off (if it ever will) |
| [19:57:31] | teprrr: | ah, ok, np |
| [19:57:54] | hadees: | i have the display, i have way more storage then i need right now, 6.8 tb |
| [19:57:59] | hadees: | and lots of HD here |
| [19:58:07] | hadees: | in the US of A |
| [19:58:15] | dustybin: | if hardware acceleration kicks off, then that could change what frontend you will use |
| [19:58:38] | hadees: | dustybin, you mean for h264? |
| [19:58:44] | dustybin: | aye |
| [19:59:45] | hadees: | but as was pointed out before regular recoding of HD via QAM is not h264, and with hodgepodge of recording cards right now I have two cards that can record via QAM |
| [20:00:37] | hadees: | so i still would prefer software and i would wager it would be a while still before we got hardware decoding in something small |
| [20:00:49] | hadees: | maybe apple tv or the mac mini might eventually do it |
| [20:01:17] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:01:51] | hadees: | dustybin, but you know with the Internet you can pretty much buy like Blueray discs from the UK if you really want HD |
| [20:02:03] | hadees: | depending on what you want to watch HD makes a big difference |
| [20:02:07] | hadees: | like Planet Earth |
| [20:03:02] | hadees: | but i was watching an HD version of Life of Brian the other day and i was very disappointed |
| [20:03:14] | hadees: | i felt like the HD just made the film flaws really stick out |
| [20:03:28] | ** gbee has just finished watching an episode of Planet Earth in HD (with the original narration) ** | |
| [20:03:38] | hadees: | gbee, yeah uncut is better |
| [20:04:23] | hadees: | there is a good one like that about China, although it is a bit condescending i think, they kind of film the people like they do the animals |
| [20:04:42] | gbee: | Wild China |
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| [20:05:43] | hadees: | on a tangent the History Channel is trying to copy Discovery but they do a really bad job. Their animations and special effects suck. |
| [20:05:53] | AndyCap: | hadees: so they have disclaimers in the credits saying "no people were harmed during the making of this movie?" |
| [20:06:15] | hadees: | AndyCap, lol, i don't watch credits |
| [20:06:20] | dustybin: | id rather watch planet earth in SD thanks |
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| [20:07:10] | gbee: | you're mad |
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| [20:07:33] | justinh: | not mad, just realistic |
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| [20:07:54] | justinh: | for the amount of HD available in the UK, you're pretty much left with very lame looking SD on a HD screen |
| [20:07:55] | gbee: | I'll stick with my first response |
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| [20:09:20] | gbee: | justinh: true – SD does look lame, though I'm personally not finding there to be a shortage of HD, maybe it helps that I just happen to love the documentaries that BBC HD is churning out |
| [20:09:32] | teprrr: | hmmm, woah, the stream looks quite ok with the mplayer params found from the wiki: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 — those made it look good |
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| [20:10:32] | dustybin: | gbee: are you using freesat |
| [20:10:52] | gbee: | if dustybin meant to qualify his statement with "than pay for a HD TV", fair enough |
| [20:10:57] | gbee: | dustybin: yeah |
| [20:11:13] | gbee: | freesat + freeview |
| [20:11:16] | dustybin: | can you multi-rec with dvb-s |
| [20:11:22] | gbee: | sure |
| [20:11:28] | dustybin: | nice |
| [20:12:08] | gbee: | but there are fewer channels per mplex than with freeview, so it's not as useful – which is why I'd have a mix of DVB-T, DVB-S |
| [20:12:20] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [20:12:38] | dustybin: | do you use a nova-t 500 for dvb-t? |
| [20:12:50] | gbee: | http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html |
| [20:12:53] | gbee: | dustybin: yep |
| [20:13:04] | dustybin: | gbee: what dvb-s card you using |
| [20:13:16] | gbee: | and I've also got a Nova-T and an LR6550 |
| [20:13:27] | gbee: | Nova-S |
| [20:13:47] | gbee: | and a Satelco DVB-S which I'm not using just now |
| [20:13:50] | dustybin: | i thought there are lots of models of nova-s |
| [20:14:38] | gbee: | maybe, iirc most (all) of them work, I couldn't tell you what version this is from memory |
| [20:14:50] | gbee: | bought on ebay for £15 |
| [20:15:01] | dustybin: | even so, its still expensive |
| [20:15:11] | ** justinh wonders how much hd is being watched just because it's hd... ;) ** | |
| [20:15:12] | dustybin: | hd requires hd frontends, hd storage, hd screens |
| [20:15:29] | dustybin: | just for bbchd |
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| [20:15:56] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:16:01] | dustybin: | gbee: what kind of frontend you using? |
| [20:16:01] | kormoc: | hd storage? |
| [20:16:09] | dustybin: | kormoc: terrabytes |
| [20:16:22] | gbee: | justinh: well I'm not watching anything just because it's HD, but I am re-watching things like Planet Earth, Blue Planet etc now I can see them in HD – not quite the same thing |
| [20:16:24] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:16:33] | kormoc: | it's not /that/ bad |
| [20:16:44] | gbee: | dustybin: http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
| [20:16:51] | dustybin: | ace thanks |
| [20:17:06] | kormoc: | 22 gigs a hour is a lot, but not /that/ much, 500 gig drive can hold 20 hours |
| [20:17:08] | gbee: | dustybin: I'm just using a 500Gb drive |
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| [20:17:55] | gbee: | more than enough, assuming you are actually going to watch your recordings and not just play Squirrel |
| [20:18:18] | janneg: | gbee: huh, a satellite transponder has a higher capacity than a terestial multiplex |
| [20:18:30] | dustybin: | gbee: nice case |
| [20:18:36] | gbee: | janneg: yeah, they cram the channels in on Freeview |
| [20:18:52] | gbee: | dustybin: http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html |
| [20:19:05] | ** dustybin re-thinks ** | |
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| [20:19:19] | janneg: | 8 SD programs are not a problem, 6 if you want high bitrates |
| [20:19:25] | gbee: | so depending on the mux you get between 4 and 7 SD |
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| [20:20:47] | gbee: | janneg: another thing is that the layout of Sat muxes isn't great for multi-rec, since there are a lot of duplicate regional channels and shopping channels you might only have a couple of channels per mux that you actually want to record from |
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| [20:22:13] | gbee: | maybe it's not as bad as I made out, but I find dvb-t tuners get re-used far more often than they do for dvb-s |
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| [20:23:25] | janneg: | gbee: |
| [20:23:50] | janneg: | I'm for a random language – flag mapping |
| [20:24:19] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:24:19] | kormoc: | I agree |
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| [20:33:21] | gbee: | the great thing about themes is that people can do whatever they want, doesn't have to be flags, that was just my way of making it pretty – who knew it would be so controversial |
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| [20:37:37] | justinh: | hmm this systm video ain't bad |
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| [20:38:01] | kormoc: | gbee, meh, just ignore the crazies |
| [20:39:43] | Dibblah: | gbee: You could try renaming one of the setup menus. That really gets people up in arms. ;) |
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| [20:40:24] | justinh: | why is obviously why the important discussions happen off that list ;) |
| [20:41:10] | Dibblah: | ... And then get kicked into the long grass due to lack of momentum? ;) |
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| [20:41:37] | justinh: | no I mean happen outside of that list ;) |
| [20:41:51] | kormoc: | justinh, don't let them know about any other lists! That's the only dev list! Yup yup yup! The only one! |
| [20:43:02] | justinh: | I don't officially know about any other things |
| [20:43:13] | justinh: | nor does anybody else. it's pure conjecture |
| [20:43:50] | justinh: | anyway, finished watching the systm video. once again they manage to avoid talking about some of the _really_ cool stuff |
| [20:44:21] | justinh: | zoiks that netflix roku thing is diddy! |
| [20:45:38] | gbee: | hmm? |
| [20:46:26] | justinh: | timestretch, commflagging, autoexpiry, playback groups... oh well |
| [20:46:43] | liri: | is the telnet interface to mythtv related to mythbackend? |
| [20:46:46] | gbee: | nah, I mean about netflix roku? |
| [20:46:49] | justinh: | mythfrontend |
| [20:46:58] | justinh: | gbee: it's er.. well neat |
| [20:47:07] | ** gbee googles ** | |
| [20:48:14] | gbee: | oh right, video streaming gadget |
| [20:48:26] | liri: | justinh: how do I enable it? |
| [20:49:06] | gbee: | I'm reminded of the Apple TV review on The Gadget Show though, sitting for an hour waiting for the video to download before you can watch it – spontaneous it ain't |
| [20:49:32] | justinh: | liri: there's a setting for it somewhere under the 'general' options |
| [20:49:36] | justinh: | 5th ot 6th page |
| [20:49:46] | justinh: | needs a frontend restart to take effect |
| [20:50:23] | liri: | ahh ok |
| [20:50:24] | liri: | thanks |
| [20:50:29] | justinh: | gbee: do I need to patch the frontend to be able to test these here menu-ui.xml files? |
| [20:50:35] | liri: | I was going over configuration files :) |
| [20:51:08] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, you will – there is a patch attached to #12 I think |
| [20:51:14] | justinh: | righto |
| [20:51:28] | gbee: | it's not the latest version |
| [20:51:35] | gbee: | I can test them if needed |
| [20:51:49] | justinh: | the ever-increasing ticket ;) |
| [20:51:54] | liri: | justinh: if I don't use pvr/watch tv functions, what do I need the backend for? |
| [20:52:19] | justinh: | you don't need it if that's the case |
| [20:52:44] | liri: | justinh: alright |
| [20:53:54] | justinh: | though mythfrontend will still bitch about not being able to connect to it :P |
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| [20:54:31] | liri: | yep :) |
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| [20:55:53] | justinh: | phew. thought for a minute I did make install on the wrong machine |
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| [20:57:41] | justinh: | gbee: ta but I'd rather test these files myself. they're bound to be wrong at first & you don't need me being a pain |
| [20:57:58] | justinh: | patch applied cleanly anyway.. might work :) |
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| [20:59:46] | justinh: | yay. well it didn't spit my file out. needs tweaks though |
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| [21:00:40] | gbee: | couple of things are unimplemented, button spread for one – if there are less than the displayable number of buttons then it won't space them evenly in the available space |
| [21:00:51] | justinh: | fair 'nuff |
| [21:01:43] | gbee: | and button icons of course :( |
| [21:01:56] | AndyCap: | Hmm, any good suggestions for getting a good number of sata ports in a pcie card? 8 ports. |
| [21:03:28] | PatrickDK: | 16? |
| [21:03:36] | PatrickDK: | 3ware? |
| [21:03:46] | justinh: | gbee: I was thinking about that but you'd prolly have to break what you've just done with the buttons |
| [21:04:00] | AndyCap: | was hoping for something cheaper. Don't really need raid. |
| [21:04:38] | AndyCap: | and 4 port pci cards are a little impractical these days. 8 port or so Pcie would be nice. |
| [21:05:17] | AndyCap: | hmm, a 10 port motherboard. |
| [21:06:10] | gbee: | justinh: well I'd welcome ideas, I have a couple but neither really fits well since they go outside the mythui format – I would have liked to keep the menu like any other screen |
| [21:07:13] | justinh: | ought I had while driving home the other day |
| [21:07:18] | justinh: | gbee: I'll get my thinking cap on again. it was just a random th |
| [21:07:20] | justinh: | ^^ |
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| [21:07:24] | justinh: | (?) |
| [21:08:08] | gbee: | heh |
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| [21:10:27] | justinh: | bleh tag mismatches all over the shop |
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| [21:17:05] | gbee: | I should probably get around to documenting the new button list, layout, scroll style etc |
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| [21:36:39] | the9a3eedi: | Hi. I'm trying to get mythsetup to read from a channels.conf file that I generated with dvbscan. It doesn't seem to read the channels for some reason. I'm quite stuck because I live in the middle east (Dubai, UAE) and there aren't any online listings for my area.. |
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| [21:38:04] | laga: | gbee: thanks. |
| [21:38:47] | the9a3eedi: | I have no idea what to choose for the "channel frequency table" for example. the sattelites I want to connect to are Nilesat, Arabsat, Hotbird, among others. (yes I have a diseqc) |
| [21:39:23] | laga: | gbee: i can't try it right now because we're watching a movie, i'll let you know |
| [21:39:56] | gbee: | justinh: first person to create animated watermarks wins |
| [21:40:13] | laga: | gbee: is this the right patch? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_crab |
| [21:40:29] | gbee: | yeah, that's the right one |
| [21:40:35] | laga: | err. |
| [21:40:39] | laga: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . r15913.patch |
| [21:40:48] | laga: | although coconot crabs rock. |
| [21:40:53] | gbee: | laga: aye ;) |
| [21:41:45] | gbee: | reckon it inspired face-huggers in Alien |
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| [21:43:38] | gbee: | maybe that should be face-hugger, singular |
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| [21:44:51] | gbee: | laga: oh wait, that's not the one – should have the same effect, but there was a later patch which making it an optional setting |
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| [21:46:59] | justinh: | gbee: animated? I don't do flipbook |
| [21:47:55] | gbee: | well animated includes other stuff like movement animation, but I was just joking :) |
| [21:48:26] | justinh: | is the xml parsing in there? on 2nd thoughts don't tell me. I really don't need to be sidetracked ;) |
| [21:48:58] | justinh: | hmm line 238 col. 20. hrm |
| [21:49:10] | gbee: | for movement animation, uh no, exists only in my imagination right now |
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| [21:50:50] | justinh: | ahhh not so much a tag mismatch as an area of a,b,c,d – literally |
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| [21:55:17] | the9a3eedi: | .___. guess i can't find any help here |
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| [22:01:28] | justinh: | fixed it. needs tweaks again. still, it's like becoming a feemer all over again :) |
| [22:01:35] | justinh: | fun on a stick! |
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| [22:02:12] | the9a3eedi: | ah nevermind.. found out |
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| [22:03:20] | andreax1: | hell, it took my days now, why my backend is so slow... IPTables was the cause... It push the backend cpu load to 85% and it was impossible to watch local and via an external frontend same time.... |
| [22:03:43] | andreax1: | Now im glad! :) |
| [22:04:30] | justinh: | well, if a crappy 800mhz box can serve 3 frontends with SDTV recordings at the same time while displaying content itself... ;) |
| [22:07:12] | andreax1: | justinh: Yeah. That drive me crazy, cause I know I watched the soccer championship on 2 monitors (while they show 2 matches the same time) in the past – I was also sure an xp3000 should do this... |
| [22:07:13] | justinh: | laga: you might know.. is there an editor similar to kate but gnome-oriented? I like kate but am tired of all the error messages |
| [22:08:03] | gbee: | error messages? |
| [22:08:17] | justinh: | ICE default IO error .. that kind of tat |
| [22:10:26] | justinh: | heh looks like asegfault when I'm exiting kate |
| [22:10:29] | justinh: | ooeerrr |
| [22:11:31] | justinh: | I've seen a lot of that kind of thing from kde apps on gnome |
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| [22:14:34] | justinh: | hrm. maybe time to put my fear of emacs to sleep |
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| [22:17:39] | the9a3eedi: | hi. I'm trying to get a mythfrontend from ubuntu to work with a mythbackend running on gentoo. The mythbackend on gentoo is running 0.20 while the frontend on ubuntu is 0.21 (ironic, isn't it?) .. is it possible to get it to work, or do I have to update the backend to 0.21 |
| [22:18:44] | the_alien: | is someone of you guys using xbmc on a xbox as a frontend? |
| [22:19:15] | justinh: | the_alien: I used to. it was crashy |
| [22:19:28] | justinh: | and the xbox was noisy. and ugly |
| [22:20:02] | the_alien: | 13:01:20 M: 32329728 ERROR: CMPlayer::OpenFile myth://mythtv:jlcBAM1A@10.0.0.4/recordings/17 . . . 16201500.mpg failed with code 0 |
| [22:20:03] | the_alien: | 13:01:21 M: 38559744 ERROR: Playlist Player: skipping unplayable item: 0, path [myth://mythtv:jlcBAM1A@10.0.0.4/recordings/17 . . . 6201500.mpg] |
| [22:20:14] | the_alien: | im keep getting this error when trying to open a video |
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| [22:20:28] | Dagmar: | Delicious free sql server nom nom nom |
| [22:20:33] | justinh: | didn't configure the samba share eh? |
| [22:20:50] | the_alien: | erm... no :D |
| [22:20:55] | sid3windr: | jlcBAM1A eh! |
| [22:21:18] | the_alien: | damn |
| [22:21:22] | the_alien: | :D |
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| [22:22:06] | justinh: | dustybin: there's a pwning in the offing if you're quick! |
| [22:23:23] | the_alien: | nope it's not |
| [22:23:38] | the_alien: | the backend pc is not in the net right now |
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| [22:29:48] | justinh: | the_alien: oh wait you're not using a framegrabber are you? |
| [22:30:14] | justinh: | duh no it's not that. they'd be .nuv files. whoops |
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| [22:31:40] | the_alien_: | do i really have to configure a samba share for the native mythtv support of xbmc? |
| [22:31:57] | justinh: | maybe waybe |
| [22:32:54] | justinh: | what do their (ahem) docs say? |
| [22:33:34] | iamlindoro: | "we are l33t h4xx0rs, enjoy your modded xboxxors?" |
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| [22:33:55] | the_alien_: | their wiki is just telling something about upnp, not mythtv :/ |
| [22:34:09] | gbee: | eww samba |
| [22:34:13] | kormoc: | so where did you read that you need samba shares? |
| [22:34:19] | iamlindoro: | How about this--- if the howto says you need to, you probably need to |
| [22:34:27] | justinh: | it always used to need samba |
| [22:34:51] | justinh: | dunno about that since they went 'native' |
| [22:34:59] | justinh: | but I suspect it's still the case |
| [22:35:13] | ** iamlindoro went native back in name ** | |
| [22:35:16] | iamlindoro: | er 'nam |
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| [22:37:34] | the_alien_: | kormoc, i haven't read about samba, justinh told me i have to have samba |
| [22:38:16] | the_alien_: | in the mythtv.org wiki is nothing mentioned about samba when using native mythtv support of xbmc |
| [22:38:27] | the_alien_: | xbmc is telling nothing about their native support :/ |
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| [22:52:00] | iamlindoro: | Hehehe, that systm video starts right off with some out of date info... "Are there going to be MythTV drivers for the HD-PVR?" "Mayyyyyyyyyyyyybe." |
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| [22:53:14] | iamlindoro: | Still, gotta give it credit for not being outright *wrong* info |
| [22:53:26] | jblack: | going with this morning conversation's about evil america, good news. Encryption phrases are covered by the fifth amendment! |
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| [22:55:17] | gbee: | trade countries with me? |
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| [22:57:03] | gbee: | if America is evil, then it's the little kid torturing flies compared to the axe wielding murderer than it the UK (or it's government) |
| [22:57:27] | iamlindoro: | This is america, we only torture enemy combatants |
| [22:57:28] | gbee: | s/than it/that is/ |
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| [23:00:28] | iamlindoro: | My god, you could almost show this thing to the newbies to explain things |
| [23:00:57] | gbee: | why won't this thread die! |
| [23:01:11] | iamlindoro: | What'd I do? |
| [23:01:35] | gbee: | not you, stupid flag thread in the -dev list |
| [23:01:38] | iamlindoro: | oh that |
| [23:01:39] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:01:44] | iamlindoro: | That's pretty funny |
| [23:03:38] | the9a3eedi: | dammit. im going crazy :S.. why wont mythtv-setup read my channels.conf? :( |
| [23:04:04] | the9a3eedi: | it doesn't give me any error.. but it doesnt give me any resulting list either :S |
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| [23:04:44] | iamlindoro: | Unless there is a profoundly good reason for doing so, you shouldn't import a channels.conf at all |
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| [23:05:05] | iamlindoro: | That is to say, one should scan in myth instead |
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| [23:06:20] | gbee: | apparently I'm now offending the Irish, by using the English flag to represent English |
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| [23:06:47] | hadees: | gbee, yeah you should be using the American Flag |
| [23:06:57] | hadees: | we own English |
| [23:06:59] | hadees: | its ours |
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| [23:07:38] | gbee: | I was half tempted to point out my Welsh ancestry, but no doubt that would somehow be turned against me and I'd be labelled a traitor to the Welsh people |
| [23:07:39] | kormoc: | gbee, you could always take all the flags and merge them into one monstrosity of a flag |
| [23:07:42] | hadees: | We also own math |
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| [23:08:30] | gbee: | kormoc: I was just thinking of creating a new flag, a clenched fist with a single raised digit |
| [23:08:40] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:09:10] | hadees: | gbee, how about "If you can't read this don't pick this language" |
| [23:10:01] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: I couldn't figure out how to scan. So I'm using a channels.conf generated by dvbscan |
| [23:10:03] | laga: | justinh: sorry, i dont know a kate equivalent. maybe gvim? |
| [23:10:27] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, I advise you to figure it out, channels.conf import quite often results in unwatchable channels |
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| [23:17:23] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: .___. i've been sitting at this for hours, and I'm trying to avoid having to manually input every single frequency of every single channel. or is this the only way? |
| [23:18:25] | iamlindoro: | Well, even if you're inputting frequencies, it's only every transponder, not every channel |
| [23:19:38] | clever: | i think i found a way to extract transponder freq's from my cable box, but it means rebooting the box for every freq |
| [23:19:46] | clever: | and i dont have a digital card anyway |
| [23:20:17] | iamlindoro: | And it's not necessary to know that info where you live anyway |
| [23:21:03] | iamlindoro: | clever: set to US-cable and the right modulation type, click scan, you are done |
| [23:21:06] | clever: | you can probly scan it or get a copy online |
| [23:21:22] | clever: | us-cable doesnt sound right for canada:P |
| [23:21:27] | iamlindoro: | and yet it is |
| [23:22:05] | clever: | get me a digital card and i'll check it:P |
| [23:22:18] | iamlindoro: | no need to check, I'm correct :P |
| [23:22:39] | iamlindoro: | get your allowance from dad and buy your own |
| [23:22:48] | clever: | ive run into idiot network admins who claimed to be correct when i had irc logs prooving them wrong |
| [23:23:02] | iamlindoro: | good thing I'm not an idiot network admin *or* wrong then |
| [23:23:25] | clever: | but the logs are useless in an argument since they could easily be edited |
| [23:23:28] | Dagmar: | What the fuck exactly do IRC logs prove? |
| [23:23:46] | clever: | Dagmar: the extent of the 'damage' they claim i did |
| [23:23:55] | clever: | long story |
| [23:24:13] | Dagmar: | Uh-huh. |
| [23:24:19] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [23:24:44] | clever: | they also claim the fbi is still watching me because of the 'damage' i did:P |
| [23:25:05] | kormoc: | clever, so you're still gonna bomb the whitehouse next weekend? |
| [23:25:09] | the9a3eedi: | ok.. Input Connections -> Scan for Channels ... Theres Full Scan (Tuned), Import channels.conf, Full Scan of Existing Transports, Existing Transport Scan... now in the case of Full Scan, what am I supposed to for Frequency, Polarity, and Symbol Rate? I mean isn't the scan supposed to find those values? I'm confused @__@ I wish there were some documentation for that kind of stuff but I couldn't find any |
| [23:25:29] | clever: | kormoc: they claim i infected a couple computer systems with a virus |
| [23:25:40] | clever: | kormoc: and they think its fbi worthy and are trying to scare me |
| [23:25:53] | kormoc: | other then the fact you're canadian? |
| [23:26:01] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, Those values should be publicly available where you are (or you can pull a lot of it from a printout of the channels.conf) |
| [23:26:17] | Dagmar: | clever: "trying"? You're still talking to these people? |
| [23:26:25] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, You just need to have it scan each transport, which usually (depending on location) contains multiple/many channels |
| [23:26:39] | clever: | Dagmar: i bypass the gline once every few years to see if they still insist im wrong:P |
| [23:26:44] | kormoc: | Dagmar, have you ever known clever to not talk to people? |
| [23:26:58] | Dagmar: | See, call me strange, but the moment someone attempts to threaten me with the FBI, my response is "Piss off and talk to my fucking lawyer." |
| [23:27:30] | Dagmar: | Don't feed into pinhead drama. |
| [23:27:40] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the FBI isn't the kind of organization to keep j. random IT admin in the loop about who they're watching |
| [23:27:46] | clever: | its been about 4 years now and the only proof on my side is plain unencrypted text files that a 3year old could falsify |
| [23:27:47] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [23:28:19] | clever: | i know they have no pull with the fbi and are just throwing empty threats at me |
| [23:28:28] | Dagmar: | clever: so instead of carping on about the proof that wouldn't stand direct sunlight, a light breeze, or a hard look, you just ignore the crap |
| [23:28:34] | clever: | the worst they did was email my isp and claim i was spreading virus's |
| [23:28:47] | clever: | Dagmar: because bright sunlight hurts my eyes! |
| [23:28:49] | Dagmar: | ISP isn't obliged to do a thing. |
| [23:28:53] | Dagmar: | Again, ignore them. |
| [23:29:00] | clever: | Dagmar: my ISP disabled my account for a few days:P |
| [23:29:17] | Dagmar: | <-- has dealings with the authorities on an uncomfortably regular basis. |
| [23:29:39] | clever: | ive ignored them so long i bearly remember who i even talked to on that irc network |
| [23:29:40] | Dagmar: | The only thing you do by even responding to the assclowns making threats like that is encourage them to make more silly threats. |
| [23:29:41] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: isn't there a way to get mythtv to fetch a list of transports from the sattelite, then search for channels in this list of transports? I'm dealing with a LOT of transports and it's pretty tedious to enter them one by one :S |
| [23:29:54] | Dagmar: | Ignore then, they lose all their power, and subsequently go away. |
| [23:30:18] | clever: | Dagmar: its more fun to bypass the gline without telling them, then i can sit right infront of them without there knowing:P |
| [23:30:38] | Dagmar: | Whatever |
| [23:30:39] | kormoc: | gline? |
| [23:30:47] | clever: | network wide ban on my isp |
| [23:30:58] | Dagmar: | Probably dalnet |
| [23:31:14] | clever: | nope, they keep telling me to go back to dalnet and hack people ther:P |
| [23:31:21] | Dagmar: | Undernet then? |
| [23:31:32] | clever: | nope, a tiny network you probly never heard of |
| [23:31:40] | Dagmar: | Oh, then just ignore their jibberings. |
| [23:31:50] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, nope, you will need to feed it the transports-- this is why in *theory* the channels.conf is great, but in practice it quite often ends up being a disaster-- channel scanning improvements are in progress even now. |
| [23:32:24] | dustybin: | "Death to HD" – Comming soon at screens near you |
| [23:32:31] | iamlindoro: | clever, and while you're at it, throw out all but 150 pounds worth of computer equipment in your house |
| [23:32:47] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: .__. but it worked perfectly fine with zap and mplayer .. |
| [23:32:54] | dustybin: | clever: what happened? |
| [23:32:57] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, this. isn't. mplayer. |
| [23:33:21] | iamlindoro: | and something working in mplayer has zero and nothing to do with it working in myth |
| [23:33:56] | clever: | dustybin: i convinced a single person to run a $decode command, which simply dumped his perform to a channel |
| [23:33:57] | iamlindoro: | since myth and mplayer are at best "good friends," and at worst "totally dissimilar" in terms of code |
| [23:34:11] | clever: | dustybin: it touched nothing on the hdd and didnt infect anything |
| [23:34:18] | clever: | dustybin: then i proceded to teach him about comp security |
| [23:34:24] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:34:27] | kormoc: | oh, now that's amusing |
| [23:34:39] | clever: | the admins claim it took them weeks to 'clean' the 5 systems i infected with my shit |
| [23:34:55] | Dagmar: | clever: This is why you should ignore them. |
| [23:35:01] | clever: | they also refuse to produce any logs because i can use them to resume my hacking |
| [23:35:15] | clever: | kormoc: i know |
| [23:35:22] | Dagmar: | No LEO will lift a finger just because some high-strung kids claim someone's hacking their network. |
| [23:35:33] | dustybin: | clever: run $decode from where? |
| [23:35:37] | dustybin: | ill try it now |
| [23:35:40] | clever: | i also know way way more about hacking then i did back then, so the logs wont teach me anything |
| [23:35:55] | clever: | dustybin: thats just a way to encode text, like gzip |
| [23:36:03] | clever: | dustybin: or base64 encoding |
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| [23:36:19] | clever: | hidden inside that text is plain mirc commands to make you dump the perform to a channel |
| [23:36:19] | ** RyeBrye is so 1337, he can use nmap to find his neighbors unprotected shares ** | |
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| [23:36:40] | clever: | RyeBrye: i can do that with a bare windows 95 install:P |
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| [23:36:53] | clever: | just open 'network neighborhood' and you find them! |
| [23:36:54] | Dagmar: | ...and what, since we're all climbing into the short bus now, is a "perform"? |
| [23:37:12] | directhex: | it's mirc's on-connect commands list |
| [23:37:13] | clever: | Dagmar: its the mirc thing for where you put your nickserv passwords |
| [23:37:14] | iamlindoro: | You'd better listen to him, he's got 95 running on 37 computers in his house, all run off of strings of 9 volt batteries |
| [23:37:25] | directhex: | a basic scriptlet of things to do like join channels and /msg bots |
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| [23:37:48] | Dagmar: | I knew we should have killed Khaled before he could publish the fourth release. |
| [23:37:50] | RyeBrye: | Dagmar – lol at the quesiton |
| [23:37:50] | kormoc: | so he got some nickserv passwords, whee |
| [23:38:05] | kormoc: | let's get back on topic |
| [23:38:10] | clever: | kormoc: and i never even used them! |
| [23:38:26] | RyeBrye: | /msg nickserv password ancient_chinese_secret |
| [23:38:35] | RyeBrye: | WOOPS! I'm exposed now! |
| [23:38:39] | webvictim: | ;p |
| [23:38:41] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: yes I do realize that. What I'm saying is that if it can be done automatically with zap and mplayer, why can't it be done in mythtv, especially since mythtv is meant for replacing your stb (which can also scan sattelites easily for channels). |
| [23:38:46] | clever: | password, invalid command! |
| [23:38:56] | RyeBrye: | phfew! |
| [23:39:08] | the9a3eedi: | disclaimer: I am super new to the TV-on-PC thing |
| [23:39:12] | Dagmar: | the9: It's not meant for replacing STBs for one thing. |
| [23:39:21] | Dagmar: | Your assumptions... u r doin it rong |
| [23:39:21] | iamlindoro: | the9a3eedi, because you haven't fixed it yet-- I'm sure that patches will be cheerfully accepted, but the devs work on what interests them and that's that |
| [23:39:57] | RyeBrye: | Is there any place better than newegg or tigerdirect for HTPC parts (i.e. cases, etc) that people here like to use? (for stuff in the US) |
| [23:40:03] | iamlindoro: | If it doesn't work the way you want it to or expect it to, then fix it. If you don't want to do that, that's okay too. Let me know and I'll arrange a refund. |
| [23:40:19] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, I'm awful fond of newegg, it's just consistently good and well priced |
| [23:40:37] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, newegg hasn't given me any reason to not like them – they are really fast shipping to me too |
| [23:41:17] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: if I were a developer, I'd expect this kind of feature to be one of the bigger priorities. |
| [23:41:31] | iamlindoro: | If you were a developer, you could make it one |
| [23:41:35] | iamlindoro: | alas |
| [23:41:51] | RyeBrye: | I saw a book once where you could learn C++ in 24 hours |
| [23:42:00] | RyeBrye: | I'm guessing there is one where you can learn Qt in 12 hours then |
| [23:42:01] | the9a3eedi: | lol |
| [23:42:06] | RyeBrye: | so in 36 hours, you can be a developer! |
| [23:42:13] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [23:42:15] | clever: | RyeBrye: knowing the language is one thing, being able to think out code properly is another |
| [23:42:18] | ajh: | The other option is to offer to pay someone. |
| [23:42:24] | ajh: | They usually respond well to that. |
| [23:42:30] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, what part of "channel scanning improvements are in progress" was incomprehensible? |
| [23:42:57] | RyeBrye: | Bah – "Learn to think in code in 18 hours" – there... so in 54 hours you can go from n00b to developer :) |
| [23:43:03] | the9a3eedi: | iamlindoro: haven't read that properly |
| [23:43:48] | iamlindoro: | This is the #mythtv-users process-- 1) I want do do x. 2) You can't do x. 3) Why hasn't someone implemented x? 4) because nobody needs/wants/cares about x. But they're doing it now. 5) You jerks! Why hasn't it been done by now! |
| [23:44:13] | the9a3eedi: | XD |
| [23:44:15] | RyeBrye: | Actually... the process can be more streamlined to this usually |
| [23:44:16] | dustybin: | clever: do you think its about time you stood on a chair and said to yourself "this isnt clever anymore" |
| [23:44:23] | RyeBrye: | 1) I want to do x. 2) (silence) |
| [23:44:41] | clever: | dustybin: standing on a chair with wheels isnt exactly a smart thing... |
| [23:44:45] | iamlindoro: | 3) *cricket* |
| [23:45:05] | clever: | 4) shoe! |
| [23:45:09] | iamlindoro: | 4) You guys are jerks! You'll never make people adopt your product that way! |
| [23:45:12] | Dagmar: | 1) I would like to install Myth on $hidesouly_underpowered_device_made_in_China |
| [23:45:16] | Dagmar: | 2) *silence* |
| [23:45:18] | RyeBrye: | Anyone using a case with a recent iMon VFD or LCD in it? |
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| [23:46:01] | clever: | Dagmar: ive had ideas to make a slimed down frontend for my cellphone:P, but i havent asked you for help with it |
| [23:46:02] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, Have set up the VFD/LCD in both models of the Antec Fusion... a few hoops to jump through, but works well |
| [23:46:20] | clever: | the cpu can handle video playback, ive thrown transcoded avi files at it before |
| [23:46:28] | Dagmar: | clever: That's good, because around here, we know how to get ahold of a bus ticket to go pay someone a "personal" visit. |
| [23:46:34] | clever: | all i need is enough bandwidth and the software to pull it all together |
| [23:47:09] | iamlindoro: | I've heard business plans like that |
| [23:47:11] | clever: | i had started making a bluetooth based remote control program but the code wont compile with the compiler IN the phone |
| [23:47:15] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro – on those LCD ones, the pixels in the center (the ones they show doing equalizers or something in the demo shots) are the ones that are used for the screen, right? Do the linux drivers make use of those static pieces around the dots (the ones that say stuff like MP3, or whatever) |
| [23:47:34] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, Yes, and as far as I have ever seen, no. |
| [23:48:36] | Dagmar: | Speaking of bluetooth, I'm about to cannibalize my older earpiece. |
| [23:48:40] | iamlindoro: | Which is why I prefer the nice, simple ones that only have the usable stuff |
| [23:48:55] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I think VFD might be ok |
| [23:48:56] | Dagmar: | What they want for a bluetooth headset that goes into a motorcycle helmet is downright absurd |
| [23:49:08] | clever: | Dagmar: i was simply going thru the bluetooth serial demo for the palm os, and it seems to totaly lack any include files |
| [23:49:18] | clever: | Dagmar: so im forced to hand type every single struct i plan to use |
| [23:49:36] | Dagmar: | clever: Or, you could just get the Palm SDK. |
| [23:49:38] | RyeBrye: | it's a shame that they don't sell cases with those Crystalfontz screens in them |
| [23:49:50] | clever: | Dagmar: that still wont get the files/code into the phone |
| [23:49:56] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Dis would be because youse can buy dem on eBay |
| [23:50:00] | clever: | Dagmar: im using a compiler that runs on the palm itself |
| [23:50:21] | clever: | onboard c |
| [23:50:24] | Dagmar: | clever: Okay, so have I mentioned lately I suspect you should proabbly have your home checked for lead paint? |
| [23:50:41] | clever: | no you havent:P |
| [23:52:17] | nludlam: | Hey, does anyone know where the algorithm used to split an EPG entry into title and subtitle is kept in mythweb? |
| [23:52:38] | kormoc: | I don't believe we do that in mythweb |
| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | it's in the database as title, subtitle already |
| [23:54:39] | nludlam: | Really? How does mythweb create new schedules correctly then? "/Myth/GetProgramGuide" gives the data back pre-split |
| [23:54:52] | nludlam: | Is there another way I'm missing here? |
| [23:55:37] | kormoc: | the database directly |
| [23:56:00] | nludlam: | Ok I can edit existing schedules, but to create a brand new one? |
| [23:56:21] | kormoc: | by inserting into the record table? |
| [23:57:06] | nludlam: | ok, so how do I derive the correctly split title & subtitle for a given program in the EPG? |
| [23:57:15] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . Schedule.php |
| [23:57:29] | kormoc: | by selecting from the database, where they are already presplit? |
| [23:57:53] | kormoc: | or by masking as a frontend and getting the data that way |
| [23:58:17] | kormoc: | but mythweb just does db stuff for the most part |
| [23:58:38] | nludlam: | Ah right, so actually I need to retrieve the row from the 'program' table, rather than use the XML given by /Myth/GetProgramGuide on the status port |
| [23:59:04] | kormoc: | Yeah, or use the myth protocol, which gives you the fields pre split |
| [23:59:11] | kormoc: | the xml interface isn't quite fully done |
| [23:59:22] | nludlam: | I wasn't aware there was a backend method to retrieve EPG data |
| [23:59:46] | nludlam: | I think mythweb dives right into the DB |
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