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Monday, August 18th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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H3:

can anyone help me get the mythtv-ipod script working (described here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streamin . . . _or_iPhone)? ffmpeg throws a floating point exception on the last line of the script.

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H3:

i found something saying you need to recompile ffmpeg in order to encode ipod-compatable videos on ubuntu (my distro), but I did that & it didn't change anything

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wagnerrp:

well thats the only line of that script with any real merit

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wagnerrp:

anyway, whats the error?

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H3:

right. the error is just "21512 Floating point exception" & then it echoes the ffmpeg command back to me

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H3:

but further up in the ffmpeg output it also says "marker bit missing before time_increment_resolution= 530.9kbits/s" & then "header damaged"

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wagnerrp:

well thats perfectly nebulous

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wagnerrp:

dump the whole output to a pastebin

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H3:

sorry, how do I capture the output into a file?

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wagnerrp:

pastebin isnt a file, its a website

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H3:

i know, but I need to dump it into a file first

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wagnerrp:

but anyway, on linux systems, left click and drag to copy, middle click to paste

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H3:

it's a headless system, i need to redirect the output of the script into a file

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wagnerrp:

you have terminal access do you not?

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H3:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you cant copy from there?

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wagnerrp:

well remote terminal rather, ssh

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iamlindoro_:

*pregnant pause*

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wagnerrp:

anyway redirecting output to a file is a complex process

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wagnerrp:

you have to append '>' to your command

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iamlindoro_:

especially with ffmpeg, which outputs everything to stderr

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wagnerrp:

really?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

will need 2>&1

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wagnerrp:

ah, well.. then do a '&2>1 >' or something like that

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iamlindoro_:

./myscript.whatevs > output.log 2>&1 ought to more or less do it, do who knows

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iamlindoro_:

er but who knows

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H3:

http://pastebin.com/m3f10e9dd

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iamlindoro_:

(I think the answer to that pregnant pasue was "yes" ;) )

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H3:

yeah using 2>&1 didn't pt anything into the file =/ oh well. i got it

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wagnerrp:

'-vcodec mpeg4'? what codec is that?

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H3:

I have no idea, i copied the whole script from http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streaming_to . . . ch_or_iPhone

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wagnerrp:

format standard ASP?

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iamlindoro_:

Looks like someone helpfully "fixed" the script on August 1st. Yay wikis!

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mzb_d800:

I'm getting weird effects with latest 0.21-fixes build + nvidia 173.14.12 drivers

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mzb_d800:

playback is more than just "jerky" ... every second or so, playback skips back a hundred milliseconds or so ... at least that's what it looks like

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mzb_d800:

audio is ok, and CPU usage is normal (about 45%)

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iamlindoro_:

I would suggest that the ipod script in the Myth source would probably be a better bet, myself

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wagnerrp:

well the command H3 used is identical to the one currently in the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

but the error seems to be with ffmpeg, and not the script, if I had to guess... sounds like brokenness

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wagnerrp:

and the error is changing

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wagnerrp:

so its not something that can be traced

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H3:

i also found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ffmpeg

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H3:

but I did as it suggested & recompiled, but no help

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wagnerrp:

is it possible mythtv is writing faulty nuv files?

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wagnerrp:

try it on some other video files

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H3:

should this work on any video file?

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** directhex smells a faulty recompile of ffmpeg, proposes not using a dodgy recompile & installing from medibuntu instead **

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iamlindoro_:

just sopied the script down, fixed the aac *back* to libfaac for current ffmpeg SVN, and it works fine

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iamlindoro_:

er copied

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** iamlindoro_ concurs! **

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H3:

I started with an install from medibuntu

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wagnerrp:

it *should* work on any video file that ffmpeg currently has decode support for

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, confirmed, script works fine (once you sort out the audio codec name)

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H3:

& using libfaac was not recognized by ffmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

That's because your ffmpeg is ollllllld

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H3:

i assumed the medibuntu one would be up to date, do I need to compile from svn?

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iamlindoro_:

you can do what you like, but the point is, the script is fine, your ffmpeg is somehow broken. A great questions would be "Hey Ubuntu, how have you gone through eleventy billion releases and ffmpeg is always totally foot-shot?"

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iamlindoro_:

er question

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wagnerrp:

never assume any pre-built package will ever be of any recent release

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H3:

hehe, ok i see

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H3:

thanks for the help

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my2keh:

are there any tutorials for how to pop messages up on the OSD?

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iamlindoro_:

Read the comments in the source of the mythtvosd stuff in contrib

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iamlindoro_:

and the readmes

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my2keh:

ok I'll check that

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my2keh:

I want to popup a message whenever there's a recoding of 0 bytes

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my2keh:

so that I can, if I'm watching TV, fix it right away

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wagnerrp:

good thing, popups only function in playback mode

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wagnerrp:

not while in the menus

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my2keh:

right...not too often do we have the TV just sitting on a menu

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mzb_d800:

there are other ways of doing osd

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my2keh:

oh?

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mzb_d800:

see xosd

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my2keh:

like libxosd?

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** dmz wishes i could have "filters" for each myth box so the kids box would only show the kids recordings and mine would only show mine **

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mzb_d800:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you can put things into recording groups

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wagnerrp:

and then filter by group

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wagnerrp:

you can also filter by content

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my2keh:

i think I'll do mythtvosd

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my2keh:

nice and simple..

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my2keh:

a quick job that checks for 0 bytes; and displays a message if it finds one

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mzb_d800:

simple, but unable to display over menu (etc)

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mzb_d800:

xosd is easy enough to get used to

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my2keh:

right, but we don't stick on menu's very long...

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my2keh:

it annoys me on the plasma

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mzb_d800:

sounds like a screensaver might be an idea ;)

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mzb_d800:

in which case xosd might still help (not sure about that)

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my2keh:

I do have it a screen saver (goto black)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

anyway ... time to pack up a machine for return.

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mzb_d800:

bbl

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iamlindoro_:

That's not a screensaver, that's a BASIC program

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my2keh:

it goes on in like 2 minutes heh

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my2keh:

thanks mzb_d800

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wagnerrp:

yeah... i think youre right. chewy, start hitting backspace!

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iamlindoro_:

What's a one man fighter doing this far out?

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directhex:

he should have turned left at Albuquerque

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RyeBrye:

Everyone see the "reconditioned" 750 GB Seagate Baracuda 7200.10's on woot today for $77 each?

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wagnerrp:

cant you get new drives at almost that price?

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RyeBrye:

newegg has the same model of oem drives for $129

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iamlindoro_:

There was a deal for $95 for same a few days back, new IIRC

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was $85

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'm going go to go with 1 TB 7200.11's I think

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directhex:

past 2am?

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directhex:

check

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directhex:

work in the morning?

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directhex:

check

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iamlindoro_:

Now you're just 36 straight hours of WoW away from having a "problem."

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RyeBrye:

How does the new MythUI stuff look? is it starting to look pretty modern?

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iamlindoro_:

identical

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iamlindoro_:

in every way

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iamlindoro_:

(so far)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, well i DID buy an MMO on saturday

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iamlindoro_:

wait, I take that back, there IS a new progress bar

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, J'accuse!

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RyeBrye:

A bunch of gratuitous eye candy will be nice eventually – 'cause if we all have to get big f'ing processors to play back HD stuff, we might as well use them when we're navigating menus! :)

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iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye, MythUI is still waiting for people to start writing themes to take ADVANTAGE of it, and since it's not done, nobody really has

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directhex:

my network switch is too unreliable. it keeps booting me off my network

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro_ – gotcha, that makes sense

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iamlindoro_:

lots of the functionality is there, though... I would expect metallurgy to be the one that gets lots of bling first

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wagnerrp:

thats usually about the time you get a new network switch

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wagnerrp:

or new network cards if it turns out thats the problem

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iamlindoro_:

Or even worse, a "gamer network card"

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iamlindoro_:

OH, bionic Commando, how do I keep forgetting to play you??

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ComandX:

How many simultanious firewire streams will MythTV support?

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ComandX:

recording

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ComandX:

can I have 3 firewire connections from 3 different boxes and it will record all 3 at once?

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my2keh:

Woohoo

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my2keh:

got it working with mythosd

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my2keh:

put it in crontab and voila

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ab0oo_:

ok, where's the sorry SOB that told me to trade my HVR-1800 for a -1600... :)

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** mzb_d800 waves H I D E in semaphore to SOB **

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ab0oo_:

yeah, cuz, you know, I'm an Internet Tough Guy and all.

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ab0oo_:

it was either iamlindoro or sphery.

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iamlindoro:

Go for it, internet tough guy

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iamlindoro:

The 1600 works fien with myth, and in linux

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iamlindoro:

er fine

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ab0oo_:

it's deaf as a post.

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sphery:

ab0oo_: It wasn't sphery...

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iamlindoro:

Can't imagine what you mean by deaf

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ab0oo_:

I'm having a hard time finding the channels that the HVR-1800 was finding.

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ab0oo_:

yes, the cable is plugged into the right port.

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iamlindoro:

Is it finding *any* channels?

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ab0oo_:

about 25% of the ones I know I get

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iamlindoro:

You might want to talk to the guys in #linuxtv and see what/if there's anything you can do about signal sensitivity... or you might just try using some amplification

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ab0oo_:

and the ber (bit error rate) on the ones I can find are >0, which I never saw with the 1800

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ab0oo_:

it's just puzzling.

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ab0oo_:

well, with an amp, the Signal goes up, the BER drops a little (but not to zero)

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wagnerrp:

the amp is before? or after? any splitters you have

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ab0oo_:

but the FE still won't get a lock on NBC, which I had no problem with the 1800 lat night

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ab0oo_:

I have two splitters. a 1->2 at the entry point that splits cable modem to one side, video to the other.

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ab0oo_:

and a whole house, unpowered distribution (1:8) splitter in the basement

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ab0oo_:

and I'd be the first one to blame the splitters.. IF I didn't get excellent signals on my two HD TVs and on the 1800 last night

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wagnerrp:

oh wow! with an 8-way splitter, im surprised youve not had signal issues before

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mzb_d800:

heh ... I thought my 1=>3 ++ 1=>4 was a bad idea ;)

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ab0oo_:

you would think, but I watched the tech test it, and I'm 30db+ over what is "nominal" on their test equipment

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ab0oo_:

Comcast runs really hot here, I guess.

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ab0oo_:

but like I said, I was able to get a good lock (with azap) with the 1800 last night, and the signal on my two HD TVs always looks good.

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wagnerrp:

im surprised they can run that hot without damaging equipment

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Pizza_Guy:

I was told someone here might know where to find a cheap 1TB HD

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wagnerrp:

if theres a good deal on a hard drive, someone has likely mentioned it on slickdeals

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wagnerrp:

try there

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ab0oo_:

I'd just use pricegrabber.

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wagnerrp:

pricegrabber usually cant account for rebates, weird coupon schemes, ...

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ab0oo_:

Ever since Dirt Cheap Drives went under... I've been lost.

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tank-man:

Pizza_Guy, whats the size of your wallet

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ab0oo_:

http://slickdeals.net/?pno=13579&lno=1&afsrc=1 $110

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Pizza_Guy:

i am trying to keep it under 100

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Pizza_Guy:

ab0oo_ the link says its gone

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tank-man:

i dont think ive seen 1tb for under 100$

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ab0oo_:

it looks like slickdeals has one every day or two.. just haunt there.

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ab0oo_:

but sub $100 is going to be tough

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squish102:

yip, wait for black friday for 1tb's under $100

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Pizza_Guy:

ok thanks guys

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Pizza_Guy:

will keep watching slickdeals

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squish102:

in mythweb, how do i set up a recording to only record new episodes? i have a filer "New Episodes Only" but it seems to record shows withan old original airdate

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wagnerrp:

squish102: ive had similar problems as of late

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wagnerrp:

i ended up just switching my recordings to a specified time, rather than at any occurance

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mzb_d800:

figured weird problem ... full drive ... *sigh*

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mzb_d800:

should be paying more attention ;)

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squish102:

doesn't it automatically delete when disk gets full?

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weevilofdoom:

if you have set to auto expire recordings..

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mzb_d800:

no ... build on front end

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mzb_d800:

currently experimenting with an update+build+install script

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mzb_d800:

didn't detect an error (somehow)

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mzb_d800:

4.3GB drive a little full ;)

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squish102:

anyone using a microsoft MCE remote? does it work well?

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weevilofdoom:

i hear it does

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squish102:

3 remotes down and now i want to buy one that actually works :(

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jamesd:

it works but i haven't used it to send codes or done any special programming

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squish102:

i just want it to control mythtv

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squish102:

i will be using a logitech remote with the ir receiver

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stuporglue:

Every time I try to use MythGallery, it eats through all my RAM, then my swap. Anyone else had this problem?

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weevilofdoom:

how much ram?

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xtknight:

when i change my storage directory to something in my home dir, i press 'watch tv' and it just goes back to the main menu. when it's at /var/lib/mythtv/recordings it works fine. that happens whether i actually change it in storage dirs or symlink /var/lib....... to my home dir.. what's up?

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stuporglue:

weevilofdoom: only 374 (according to free -m)

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weevilofdoom:

that would probably be why

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weevilofdoom:

xtknight, permissions issue on the new directory?

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stuporglue:

What's it doing that takes so much RAM? It plays HD content just fine

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weevilofdoom:

needs read/write permissions for the user that runs myth

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xtknight:

weevilofdoom, i made the permissions exactly same. mythtv:mythtv, chmod 2755

[03:36:25]

weevilofdoom:

gallery is the one that loads all the cover art and crap, isn't it?

[03:36:41]

stuporglue:

Mythgallery is the photo album viewer

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weevilofdoom:

so the user mythtv is running the application mythfrontend?

[03:36:58]

weevilofdoom:

well, i'm sure it does a bunch of 'pre loading' to memory

[03:36:59]

xtknight:

weevilofdoom, hmm no, rather 'andy' is running mythfrontend

[03:37:03]

stuporglue:

I thought maybe it was creating thumbnails, but there were only 20 or so thumbnails after ~15 minutes

[03:37:09]

weevilofdoom:

try andy.users

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xtknight:

weevilofdoom, ok does mythbackend or mythfrontend write to recordings

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xtknight:

/var/lib/mythtv/recordings was mythtv:mythtv,2755

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wagnerrp:

the backend writes recordings

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weevilofdoom:

well, backend, but to read the user that runs frontend needs permission

[03:37:45]

xtknight:

(it worked fine for 'andy' that way)

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wagnerrp:

the frontend reads recordings

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xtknight:

ah

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xtknight:

k

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weevilofdoom:

stuporglue, really not sure, sounds like a low memory issue, but i do not know

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stuporglue:

I just ran mythfrontend.real -v all, and when it started hanging it just kept printing "2008-08–17 21:38:17.325 /dev/scd0 No disc"

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weevilofdoom:

got me ..

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stuporglue:

thanks anyways :-) anyone else?

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xtknight:

weevilofdoom, this doesnt do it either

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xtknight:

well is chmod 2755 correct? (that's what i got from stat on the 'recordings' folder)

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xtknight:

it's andy:users

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weevilofdoom:

just try a chmod 777 for now and see

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xtknight:

2008-08–17 23:41:00.173 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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xtknight:

2008-08–17 23:41:00.173 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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weevilofdoom:

or chmod a+rw

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xtknight:

ok, no go with 777 before or after restart of mythbackend

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weevilofdoom:

hrm

[03:43:02]

xtknight:

i changed storage folder to /home/andy/.mythtv/recordings hopefully that folder is okay

[03:43:16]

xtknight:

andy:users 777 at the moment, recursively (but nothing is inside it yet)

[03:43:26]

weevilofdoom:

unsure... when i changed folder, i just had to make sure read/write permissions were ok

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xtknight:

i dont honestly know why it's being all weird, but even symlinking /var/lib/.mythtv/recordings to my home recordings folder does that

[03:44:18]

xtknight:

sudo cp -a music recordings fixes it under /var/lib/mythtv , it's just an empty folder but for some reason has to be at that exact location to work

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xtknight:

ext3 on / and ext3 on /home

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weevilofdoom:

very strange, i'm out of ideas for right now...

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xtknight:

well mythfill segfaults when i specify a folder under /home. but then i run sudo mythfilldatabase again and it completes fine

[03:47:02]

xtknight:

odd

[03:47:35]

xtknight:

also another folder under /var/lib/mythtv works fine

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weevilofdoom:

it has to be permissions issue if you can run it using sudo

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xtknight:

oh no i meant

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xtknight:

the first run of mythfill (when it asks you) fails. but then i do it myself and it works

[03:48:29]

xtknight:

afaik it's still doing sudo the first time

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xtknight:

a mount -o rbind from /var/lib......recordings to /home....recordings does it. a symlink does not. also, specifying /home directly does not. not sure but that's the solution i guess

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wagnerrp:

why would you record to a symlink, or a bind mount?

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xtknight:

wagnerrp, not sure if you were reading above but specifying it directly simply does not work

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xtknight:

my / has little space left, and i have to use a dir on my /home. the only way it worked was to mount rbind the directory on the /

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt care where your recordings are, as long as you have write permissions

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xtknight:

tried it all, 777, etc must be a bug somewhere

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wagnerrp:

and if you can write to it using a null mount, you can obviously write to it directly

[04:01:01]

xtknight:

it tells me when the permissions aren't right on the / partition, but said no such thing when i did it on home so i assume permissions were correct

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wagnerrp:

who care about '/'

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt be recording to '/'

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xtknight:

i am writing to my / mount, under the directory /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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xtknight:

i need to be writing to my /home mount, under /home/andy/.mythtv/recordings

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wagnerrp:

and if /var is on your home partition, dont record to /var

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wagnerrp:

just tell mythtv to record to your home directory, and dont null mount anything

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xtknight:

it doesn't work.

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xtknight:

i get pushed to the main menu

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floppyears:

hi guys

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xtknight:

when i specify the /home directory under storage

[04:02:59]

floppyears:

I have a mythtv box

[04:03:17]

floppyears:

when I play a dvd I usually have a lag between the voice and the video

[04:03:22]

floppyears:

any suggestions on how to fix that ?

[04:03:53]

xtknight:

the next thing i tried was to symlink the default dir to my /home., and that doesnt do it either. why, i have no idea. but mount -o rbind to my /home from the default dir works fine. in all three cases, the permissions on the /home folder (/home/andy/.mythtv/recordings) were the same

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xtknight:

i have to trick it at the low level to get it to operate from my /home/andy/.mythtv/recordings directory

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insta:

hey guys ... this is my first mythtv setup. i've got a separated frontend and backend, and am having trouble with it. the frontend can communicate with the backend (i assume — it's stopped complaining about the database), but when i go to watch tv on the frontend, it immediately dumps me back to the "watch tv" menu and doesn't seem to attempt to play

[04:10:24]

insta:

the backend detects the card and has scanned the channels just fine

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nc__:

Good evening@!

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nc__:

Is anyone willing and able to assist in a MythTV setup with a pchdtv 5500 card that is not working?

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alex_mayorga:

hello all, whould this one work on mythTV http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260006 ?

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alex_mayorga:

Kworld ATSC 330U

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jblack:

nc__: What sort of problem are you having?

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insta:

jblack: do you have a few minutes to help me diagnose my problem?

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jblack:

No idea. I don't know what problem you have.

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insta:

oh, heh.

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insta:

i've got a segregated frontend and backend

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insta:

backend (pvr-250) can detect all 78ish channels fine

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floppyears:

hi guys

[04:55:20]

floppyears:

how much ram do you use with mythtv ?

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insta:

frontend can't watch them ... and by that, i mean i go to the "tv" option and it has a black screen for a sec, then goes back to the menu

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jblack:

maybe they're encrypted. check your local stations.

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jblack:

also, try running your frontend from a terminal, to see if there's interesting logging.

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insta:

jblack: 2–78 aren't

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insta:

that's what i'll have to do, i suppose

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insta:

just "mythfrontend"? or is there a more granular program i can run to get just live tv

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jblack:

just mythfrontend.

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insta:

(and, i'm not entirely crazy, right? a frontend is able to stream live tv? i guess i just assumed this was a feature and never officially checked)

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jblack:

That depends on things like if your network is sufficient to carry the traffic, has the frontend been setup to work well with the graphics setup you have ,etc etc

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wagnerrp:

that failed livetv usually either means you have botched video drivers, and the frontend cannot render the video properly

[04:57:42]

wagnerrp:

or more likely, the backend does not have write access to the storage directory

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wagnerrp:

check your storage directory to see if 1. any files exist, and 2. they are 0 bytes

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insta:

where would logging happen on either side?

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wagnerrp:

logging occurs directly to the console, unless you tell it to log to a file

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wagnerrp:

your startup script may automatically do that, in which case it will probably be somewhere in /var/log

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insta:

nah, i've unfortunately pieced this together myself :(

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insta:

ooh.

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insta:

i guess myth runs as 'mythtv'

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insta:

hot damn, it was the permissions

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insta:

awesome

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floppyears:

does anybody here have audio/video sync issues when playing dvd through mythtv ?

[05:02:29]

insta:

alright, now i pushed some button and my previously tuned channel is now static

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insta:

is there an onscreen keyboard or something i can use to figure out what i re-broke?

[05:05:02]

wagnerrp:

cable came loose?

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wagnerrp:

getting static is absolutely a hardware issue

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jblack:

perhaps he changed tuners with y or something

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wagnerrp:

either youre tuned to the wrong channel, your cable is disconnected somewhere, or your tuner is broke

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insta:

jblack's suggestion is probably the closest ... unless my tuner exploded five seconds after tuning a channel

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insta:

the backend is in another room

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wagnerrp:

you have multiple tuners?

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insta:

nope, but my one tuner does have a few input options (svideo, etc)

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insta:

i don't think i had any of those configured on the backend though

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should automatically know they exist

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wagnerrp:

even if you havent defined them to a channel set, you can still connect to them

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wagnerrp:

you can access that though the onscreen menu ('m')

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insta:

i see all the channels

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insta:

how do i tune a channel once i find it in the onscreen list?

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wagnerrp:

enter?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i dont actually know

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wagnerrp:

i only ever watch pre-recorded stuff, so i never configured my remote for livetv

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insta:

heh

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insta:

(i'm using a keyboard for now, if it wasn't obvious)

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Gumby:

can anyone tell me how I should go about determining why mythbackend keeps segfaulting?

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Maliuta:

Gumby: gdb

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Maliuta:

Gumby: a good debug trace always helps determine segfaults (the majority of which are memory management faults or shoddy compiling)

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Gumby:

Maliuta: is there specific options I shoulf run gdb with?

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Maliuta:

Gumby: well to start with you would have to pass gcc the options to include the code for gdb to work, then knowing the debug hooks in the code helps

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Maliuta:

oh, and having a coredump of sufficient size

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Gumby:

ok, this will have to wait for another night. too close to bed to start all this since I obviously have much more to learn

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: discovery hd theater is unencrypted on c band

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CCFL_Man2:

qvc hd is on the same bird too

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justinh:

woo qvc hd. ROFL

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wagnerrp:

shit! i need to get me a dish and get my buyin' on

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: 8 foot dish and a dvb card

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justinh:

an 8 foot dish just to get QVC?

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justinh:

:-O

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CCFL_Man2:

discovery hd theater is unencrypted on c band

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justinh:

I couldn't watch that. it's spelled incorrectly

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wagnerrp:

8' dishes are for the uncreative

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wagnerrp:

i would phase lock a series of cantennae on my roof

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wagnerrp:

interferometry for the win!

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: you need that forc band

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CCFL_Man2:

large dish

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justinh:

so they broadcast it so weakly intentionally?

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wagnerrp:

you dont need a large dish, just one sufficiently directional to filter out background noise

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wagnerrp:

justinh: its not weak, its just in geostationary orbit

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justinh:

ahh off axis from the beam eh

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wagnerrp:

off axis, and ~25kmi away

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justinh:

funny that. UK satellite TV only needs a tiddly ickle dish

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directhex:

it only needs an icke dish if you don't care abou all-weather access to teevee

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justinh:

60cm is piddly ickle compared to 8 foot

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justinh:

not talking about the mini-dish waste of time ;)

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wagnerrp:

my only guess is that the Astra sats are far more directional

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justinh:

Ku band is typically operated at a higher tx power too apparently

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justinh:

wtf? The original series of Star Trek has been 'remastered'. Oh dear GOD

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directhex:

justinh, all the phasers have been replaced with walkie talkies

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directhex:

and uhura has been replaced by a CGI sexbot

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wagnerrp:

the wires holding up the models have been digitally replaced 'space thread'

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justinh:

cleaning up, yes. replacing original stuff with CGI. bleh

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directhex:

although when kirk snogs her, his face disappears due to greenscreening errors

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justinh:

lol

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directhex:

kirk shot first!

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wagnerrp:

Khan is now female (same outfit)

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directhex:

khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?

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justinh:

oh dear. just looked at a couple of clips. people get paid to do that? oh well

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justinh:

they replaced the shitty 1960s FX with shitty 200x FX :)

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jblack:

Link?

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sid3windr:

indeedies

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jblack:

I don't see how they can do anything but good remaking star trek.

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justinh:

actually it's not even shitty 200x FX. looks more like 1990s in-game cutscenes

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justinh:

plenty of it about on youtube

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jblack:

It's like matrix 3... there's no way but up.

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jblack:

k

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Maliuta:

remastering really should just be cleaning up the old film to make it look cleaner at higher res, no adding or removing of anything else

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Maliuta:

it ruins stuff

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jblack:

Cmon! Technology has improved. Now they can make really realistic 3 titted women

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jblack:

Would you argue that they'd be causing a disservice if.. they.. removed... Kirk's... pauses?

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wagnerrp:

now with 15 selectable levels of gore when drilling Benny

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jblack:

I suppose it would suck if they replaced tribbles with furby's.

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directhex:

better. pokemon!

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jblack:

ouch

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justinh:

bottom line is, it doesn't matter what anybody does. if it's a new addition to the franchise people will buy it

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jblack:

they could replace the enterprise computer with hal9k. That would be cool.

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directhex:

next on the block is star trek TNG. the hollodeck is out, guitar hero and ddr are in. to help connect to the hip youth of today.

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jblack:

And imagine if they gave the old enterprise a holodeck! Why, they could milk 5 seasons out of that alone

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wagnerrp:

im sorry captain, you are detrimental to this mission

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wagnerrp:

you merely want to boldly sleep where no human man has slept before

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justinh:

and what's wrong with that?

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wagnerrp:

robots dont know carnal love

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wagnerrp:

nor sentient computers

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jblack:

Well, it got cut out of the 60's episodes, but kirk came down with Vanerian Venerial disease multiple times. He really was a threat.

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directhex:

robo-gonorrhoea. the noisy killer.

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justinh:

nasty case of space syphillis

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jblack:

yeah, you don't want to screw with it.. pun intended.

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jblack:

I'm bored.

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justinh:

I'm close to postal. It's New Order day today

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justinh:

today I will be having words with the boss

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jblack:

gonna tell him how things really are, eh?

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justinh:

gonna respectfully request that music in the lab is BANNED

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jblack:

I'd expect you to go off on something better than fergie

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MilkBoy:

music or "music"

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justinh:

I can't take any more of this introspective depressing, ATONAL SHITE

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jblack:

so bring in a stereo blasting Pakistani rap.

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jblack:

Perhaps things will average out

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justinh:

silence would be much more preferable

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sid3windr:

bring something noise-canceling? =)

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justinh:

a hammer?

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sid3windr:

and this is how all those school shootings start

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sid3windr:

someone keeps playing crap from their ipod

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sid3windr:

you have no other choice than to go blastin' your bfg9000

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directhex:

no, school shotings start because people play grand theft auto

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cesman:

the first school shooting goes back to 1966

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cesman:

well before GTA ;)

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directhex:

liar. that was time-travel-and-gta related

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justinh:

maybe GTA used to be played for real before the computer game

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directhex:

videogames kill people. nothing else.

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cesman:

how does that explain deaths prior to video games?

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justinh:

time travellers

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directhex:

time travel.

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justinh:

see, you can go to great lengths to prove GTA is responsible

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cesman:

and the Challenger explosion?

[09:06:40]

justinh:

GTA 12

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jblack:

speaking of which, how's whathisname doing?

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jblack:

thompson

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justinh:

who?

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directhex:

shock tampon j?

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directhex:

suing the florida bar association, iirc

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purserj:

he got thrown out

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jblack:

thought he couldn't sue any more?

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** justinh mumbles "I feel so extraordinary... " muh muh muh muh muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh **

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directhex:

he's not allowed to file papers without it being signed by a grown up, that's true

[09:08:27]

directhex:

but he's not yet been disbarred

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directhex:

the recommendation is disbarrment with a 10 year ban before reapplying, but that's just a recommendation right now

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sid3windr:

cool

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sid3windr:

why was that again?

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directhex:

he's fucking insane?

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directhex:

he's been forced to carry a cerificate proving he;s not dangeously insane for over a decade

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justinh:

nice el reg story. U2 tracks vanish from youtube. now we just need them to vanish from everywhere else

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justinh:

right. so I'm a phillistine with no taste in music. oh well. I'm going home

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sid3windr:

at 11:25 ?!

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pigeon:

how can i change the aspect ratio of a PiP?

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pigeon:

it's showing at the wrong aspect.

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directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . IMG_0802.JPG #my tank is fight!

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sid3windr:

wow servers? :P

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Sulx:

my router

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Huijari:

my mythbackend

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directhex:

poor Huijari. ffmpeg sucks on itanium.

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Huijari:

yeah, hence so much hw :(

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sid3windr:

you mean itanium sucks for ffmpeg!

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directhex:

sid3windr, gcc sucks for ffmpeg on itanium?

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

well, I might live to regret this decision

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directhex:

which one? walking out of work because of new order?

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justinh:

I think that might be termed an unapproved absence

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jblack:

You told your boss you got his daughter pregnant?

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justinh:

feels like a fecking psychology experiment. does the wrong kind of music in the workplace induce bad moods?

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justinh:

YES

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** directhex plays YATTA! for justinh **

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justinh:

does refusal to wear headphones annoy the piss out of co-worker? YES

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, bash.org is down :(

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Huijari:

yeah, has been for maybe two weeks :(

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EvilGuru:

most Windows boxes have better up time than that

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i_is_cat:

i get a segmentation fault when i start mythfrontend :/

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justinh:

EvilGuru: maybe they didn't paythe hosting bill

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i_is_cat:

see what happens here http://pastebin.com/m313af29

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justinh:

you're using a shit theme

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i_is_cat:

but the theme wouldnt cause it to segfault :/

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justinh:

wouldn't it?

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justinh:

it can

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justinh:

and often does

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justinh:

using too old a theme with a version of mythtv which has features the theme doesn't support... poof!

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justinh:

not saying that's the case here but it's possible

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justinh:

anyway there's not much to go on in that log output

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justinh:

try with -v all

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justinh:

and er.. using a 4:3 theme with a 16:9 display? poor effort :P

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ivor:

justinh: damn you're mean.

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justinh:

yeah I pity the guy who made the theme I said is shit

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dustybin:

is a nvidia fx5200 suitable for 1080P HD video?

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dustybin:

or should i look for a model above?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.reel-multimedia.com/en/extension_l . . . rumfang.html

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GreyFoxx:

That could be interesting

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GreyFoxx:

and supposedly works under linux

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GreyFoxx:

just read a post claiming someone was playing h264 hdtv on it using only 25% of an athlon 1.2g

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mzb_d800:

might be cheaper to get a better computer ;)

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: that seems high afaik the card has a chip for h264 decoding

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GreyFoxx:

could have been a software or other thing as well. It was a user using it with vdr

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GreyFoxx:

I'd want one to play with, but no way I'd spend that kind of money on it

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janneg:

OTOH my frontend uses 80% of a single athlon64 X2 at 2.5Ghz only to display video at HD resolution

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janneg:

crappy nvidia drivers

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

no decoding?? Just display?

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GreyFoxx:

Wow

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janneg:

yes, 40 sys time I can't explain that it constant with SD and HD content

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GreyFoxx:

wow

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ajh:

Well, if Dell or Apple would integrate it into their minis.

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ajh:

I'd happily spend that much extra if I knew I'd have all that free cpu to do some cloud contribution.

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mzb_d800:

or play "solitaire" on a 2nd display ;)

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ajh:

If only it also included the other way.

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ajh:

If the 1212 can do it for $250, I'd pay another $200 for having it on a card.

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my2keh:

are these errors normal? http://www.pastebin.ca/1177532

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ReikoShea:

my2keh: Those errors are simi-normal. I get them all the time from VLC whenever I watch MPEG2 streams

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ReikoShea:

They usually dont mean anything...usually just the decoder complaining about a slight inconsistency.

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my2keh:

hmm ok

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my2keh:

at times I get pixelation on the scren

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ReikoShea:

yeah, as i said, its usually an inconstancy in the stream.

[15:26:46]

my2keh:

hmm

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ReikoShea:

if you still have the original source, you might try re-encoding it....assuming it wasnt a TV capture

[15:27:16]

ReikoShea:

although the same error can happen on perfect streams due to weird memory handling

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my2keh:

it was a capture from DVB

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ReikoShea:

im assuming its a saved feed and not live viewing?

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squidly:

has anyone ever had a pvr-150 suddenly start giving a lot of static, but the regular tv hooked up to the same cable is good?

[15:29:12]

ReikoShea:

is it on and off static, squidly?

[15:29:38]

squidly:

ReikoShea: no

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squidly:

very staticy all the time

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ReikoShea:

constant static is probably just a bad cable....have you tried plugging the pvr into the known good source?

[15:30:24]

squidly:

yes

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ReikoShea:

hmmm

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ReikoShea:

same box?

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squidly:

and we checked the splitter, anbd the signal

[15:31:17]

squidly:

ReikoShea: no. I plugged in the cable to a normal tv. The box has not changed any type of configuration in a while

[15:31:40]

ReikoShea:

it might just be the card going out....they do sometimes overheat

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squidly:

ReikoShea: umm. WHen that happens it usualy just gives me a blank screen

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squidly:

I have good airflow in the case

[15:32:37]

ReikoShea:

oh, i wasnt criticizing case layout...things just go bad sometimes

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squidly:

ReikoShea: yea true

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squidly:

I may see if someone has a different card I can try out

[15:33:08]

ReikoShea:

my pcHDTV-3000 went out a few months back...just started blanking from time to time...the 5500 works perfectly since i replaced it

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squidly:

the uptime on the server is pretty high

[15:34:00]

ReikoShea:

maybe let it rest for a little while and see what happens?

[15:34:11]

squidly:

that is what I weill have to do.

[15:34:12]

ReikoShea:

heat is the enemy of computer components

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squidly:

I will do that when I rebuild the box from gentoo to ubuntu

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ReikoShea:

mythbuntu = awesome

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ReikoShea:

just an fyi

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squidly:

ReikoShea: agreed

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squidly:

but I have much more then just mythbackend that I run on the box

[15:35:06]

ReikoShea:

ahhh gotcha

[15:35:29]

squidly:

a LOT more, it does snmp, webserving, svn databases, ldap, dns, dhcp, perl, nfs, tftpserver, rancid server, leafnode server

[15:35:39]

squidly:

oh and smtp relay server for my lan

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squidly:

and logging server

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squidly:

and... :P

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wagnerrp:

i wonder whats worse, trying to go from ubuntu to gentoo, or the opposite

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ReikoShea:

lol, sounds like my old back end

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ReikoShea:

gentoo users have enough time on their hands

[15:36:10]

ReikoShea:

id say ubuntu=>gentoo is harder

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squidly:

ReikoShea: very true

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ReikoShea:

emerge = death

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squidly:

ReikoShea: unfortunitally yea

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squidly:

emerge == busted backages all over the place

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ReikoShea:

i remember at my last job we told a new guy not to run gentoo on his computer....took 3 days before he was able to actually start working

[15:37:25]

ReikoShea:

if he had gone debian/ubuntu or fedora/cent he woulda been up and running in under 2 hours

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ReikoShea:

/gentoo rant

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wagnerrp:

are you forced to turn your machines off when you leave for the day?

[15:39:28]

Sulx:

archlinux is worth trying if gentoo suits your style

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ReikoShea:

no...i worked at an ISP....lots of 72 hour days

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squidly:

Sulx: I used to use sourcemage, it's similary

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squidly:

similar*

[15:40:13]

Sulx:

never tried that one

[15:40:21]

Sulx:

but loving arch

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squidly:

ReikoShea: yea.. I had to do a reinstall of my box a while ago, took me 3 days to rebuild everything, on a dual opteron, and 2gb of ram

[15:40:46]

ReikoShea:

:) thanks for proving my point

[15:40:53]

ReikoShea:

emerge stole my soul

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Sulx:

server,laptop,mythbox,desktop...all arch

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wagnerrp:

thats... sad

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wagnerrp:

it takes about half that time on my P3 laptop

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ReikoShea:

i run debian on pretty much everything but workstations

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ReikoShea:

ubuntu work stations

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squidly:

ReikoShea: yes. I've seen a dual-quad core taken down by emerge!

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squidly:

ReikoShea: that is waht I like too

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squidly:

I use xubuntu for mydesktop and ubuntu/debian for servers

[15:42:02]

ReikoShea:

im still a gnome fan boy

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ReikoShea:

i wish i could get xebian installed on my xbox

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squidly:

ReikoShea: I've never really liked gnome save when I started with RH6 a LONG time ago

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ReikoShea:

but its being finicky....doesnt like any media i give it

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squidly:

then I went to fluxbox for my GUI, and last year I moved to xfce

[15:42:41]

** ReikoShea is a GDM contributor. **

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ReikoShea:

flux is nice

[15:42:52]

ReikoShea:

ill admit that

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ReikoShea:

i used to be a knoppix groupie

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squidly:

ReikoShea: yea.. When I moved to it, I had a k62–333mhz and about 256MB of ram

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squidly:

an OLD box

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ReikoShea:

yeah

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ReikoShea:

thats where flux shines

[15:43:40]

ReikoShea:

i run it on one of my desktops at home

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ReikoShea:

900MHz Celeron (P3 Gen) 256M of ram

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ReikoShea:

woot

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ReikoShea:

anyone have any experience with xebian?

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ReikoShea:

on the xbox?

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squidly:

ReikoShea: not yet

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squidly:

I dont have a M$ box at home

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squidly:

I'm getting a free xbox from my bro in may

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ReikoShea:

mine has been sitting in my apt unused for about a year

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directhex:

no point

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ReikoShea:

im just curious about making it a front end

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directhex:

not enough tam

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directhex:

ram

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ReikoShea:

really, even for non-HD streaming?

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directhex:

a myth theme can want 512 meg

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ReikoShea:

i cant get a compatible hd box from TW, so im just running the standard def

[15:48:31]

ReikoShea:

really....so even disabling all other themes id probably have issues/

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ReikoShea:

cause all i really care about is being able to get transcoding working....im not really worried about any other features of myth

[15:49:52]

directhex:

then myth is not right for you

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squidly:

ReikoShea: from what I hear for SD the xbox works ok

[15:50:14]

ReikoShea:

well ive got the tower setup next to the TV, and i dont like it

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ReikoShea:

ive already got the xbox plugged in, and if i can get rid of the tower that would be excellent

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ReikoShea:

and ive already got the back end setup....i didnt really want to work with something new

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stuporglue:

I had an xbox working with SD content

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stuporglue:

the menus were slow, but it would work

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ReikoShea:

but if you say myth isnt the right choice for an xbox front end....what would you suggest

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ReikoShea:

i no longer have a 360 or id use that

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 isn't a good FE really

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ReikoShea:

I didnt have any problems with it

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GreyFoxx:

wont play mpeg2 content, wont play anything but very specific codecs or containers

[15:52:40]

ReikoShea:

it was my old roommates

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ReikoShea:

i was transcoding and then streaming the converted content

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ReikoShea:

worked great, just took up a lot of cycles on the back end

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GreyFoxx:

which to be honest, it's a serious pain :)

[15:53:32]

GreyFoxx:

I love all my little frontends, but will be updating them soon

[15:53:42]

GreyFoxx:

cause the little msntv2's wont handle hdtv

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GreyFoxx:

so I only use them for sdtv

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ReikoShea:

only took a saturday afternoon, and being freed to watch topgear in the living room was worth losing a saturday

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squidly:

GreyFoxx: what do you use for a frontend?

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ReikoShea:

took the question from my fingers, squidly

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squidly:

ReikoShea: lol

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GreyFoxx:

4 msntv2's around the house running linux+mythtv, and my "main" frontend feeding the LCD+projector is a regular pc

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GreyFoxx:

the msntv2's are celeron 733mhz, with 128meg of ram

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ReikoShea:

and the xbox is slower than that?

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GreyFoxx:

half the ram

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ReikoShea:

whoa

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ReikoShea:

i guess my old compaq is gonna stay there :(

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GreyFoxx:

and the msntv2's are newer, no moving parts or fan

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GreyFoxx:

the xbox sounds like a vaccum in comparison :)

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ReikoShea:

lol, yeah....i was hoping that w/o a disk the noise wouldnt be too bad

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GreyFoxx:

But now it's time to find something better which can handle hdtv since more and more of my content is hd

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squidly:

GreyFoxx: how much did they cost ya?

[15:57:31]

squidly:

and do they do the tv, video and music pretty good?

[15:58:11]

GreyFoxx:

squid: off ebay when they were first hacked to running linux... $9 each?

[15:58:19]

GreyFoxx:

network booting so no disks in them

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GreyFoxx:

they have a cf card, but I just use that to store the kernel and have it nfs root from my main fileserver

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GreyFoxx:

squid: all mythfunctions work fine on it

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ReikoShea:

nice...do they PXE boot by default?

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squidly:

(that was my next question)

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GreyFoxx:

rei: No, I just have a kernel on the cf card which tells it to nfsroot

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ReikoShea:

ahh gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

but there are new version of the bios for it that will pxe boot

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't touched those yet

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ReikoShea:

so if the power goes out they come back on, load the kernel and grab the FS from the NFS

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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ReikoShea:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

take about 20 seconds from power on to full X and ready to go

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ReikoShea:

remote work well? or do you have to use the keyboard?

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GreyFoxx:

(Slackware as the distro so non of the slowing you down crap of other distros)

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GreyFoxx:

Reik: I use the keyboards for the most part, but also a couple IR learning remotes I trained to the IR keyboard signals

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GreyFoxx:

the remotes that come with it are useless

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GreyFoxx:

they are basically keyboards and you can't control what signals they send

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ReikoShea:

and the slack distro doesnt have IR Reprogram?

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GreyFoxx:

"IR Reprogram" ?

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GreyFoxx:

the IR remote+keyboard are both IR keyboards connected directly to the ps2 port onboard

[16:02:43]

GreyFoxx:

the OS sees nothing but a ps2 keyboard

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ReikoShea:

well with my remote i have an IR Receiver that i re-programed to interpret signals from my cable remote

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ReikoShea:

the linux drivers just have a hex seq in a conf file that you can change the vaules for

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GreyFoxx:

The OS doesn't see the IR receiver

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GreyFoxx:

in this case

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ReikoShea:

gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

so a learning IR remote reprogrammed ot the keyboard signals does the trick

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GreyFoxx:

and lets me have more control that the remote that comes with it

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GreyFoxx:

No idea what I'm gonna replace them with yet

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ReikoShea:

well if the xbox doesnt do a good job, i was thinking shuttle pc + ir remote = win

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Maliuta:

GreyFoxx: the ps/2 IR thing, that a side effect of specific hardware? or is there a unit I could buy to do that?

[16:06:47]

Maliuta:

GreyFoxx: I like the idea of the remote just being a keyboard :)

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bobjuan:

hello everyone

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ReikoShea:

waves*

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** Shadow__x waves back **

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ReikoShea:

i guess i fail more than normal today

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Maliuta:

ReikoShea: don't take it so hard, most people fail ... at least you _know_ you fail

[16:09:17]

Shadow__x:

hey clever did you ever figure out your stuff

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GreyFoxx:

mal: Specific hardware

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ReikoShea:

looky what i found

[16:10:31]

ReikoShea:

i just feel in love

[16:10:32]

ReikoShea:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110082

[16:10:50]

Shadow__x:

ati

[16:10:52]

Shadow__x:

double fail

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ReikoShea:

lol

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ReikoShea:

well as long as i run mythbuntu im fine

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ReikoShea:

restricted drivers

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ReikoShea:

:)

[16:11:14]

Shadow__x:

no necessarily

[16:11:23]

ReikoShea:

i run a 1650 at work on compiz

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ReikoShea:

works pretty well

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Shadow__x:

i run ubuntu with catalyst 8.6 and mythtv gives screen corruptions

[16:11:40]

Maliuta:

someone recommend sleep inducing documentation for me to read

[16:11:44]

Shadow__x:

yeah mine does compiz as well

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Shadow__x:

until you try and watch a video

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Shadow__x:

and it flickers

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ReikoShea:

hmm i haven't noticed any of that

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Maliuta:

why would you run compiz on a dedicated myth box?

[16:12:24]

Shadow__x:

thats not on my mythbox

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Shadow__x:

thats ony my laptop

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ReikoShea:

+1 for my workstation

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Shadow__x:

and i wanted the fe to give me shows while i did work

[16:12:50]

Shadow__x:

but that was a no go

[16:12:57]

Shadow__x:

wine also gives me screen corruption

[16:13:07]

ReikoShea:

hmmm, i have had none of those issues

[16:13:24]

ReikoShea:

are you on ubtunu workstation?

[16:13:41]

Shadow__x:

what do you mean

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ReikoShea:

the box that is flickering

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ReikoShea:

what os is it?

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Shadow__x:

am i on it currently

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Shadow__x:

?

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Shadow__x:

?

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ReikoShea:

im just curious as to what operating system you are running?

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Shadow__x:

ubuntu 8.04 with 2.24.20 kernel

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Shadow__x:

installed from source and had issues as well

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ReikoShea:

thats really odd...

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Shadow__x:

that it is

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Shadow__x:

xv works though

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Shadow__x:

in mplayer

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Maliuta:

the OS is GNU/Linux, the application collection is Ubuntu

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** Maliuta gets pedantic **

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ReikoShea:

*sigh

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Shadow__x:

heh

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ReikoShea:

this isnt going to be a herd/gnu convo is it?

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Maliuta:

no. I just work with a variety of *nix OSen

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ReikoShea:

have you tried vlc, shadow?

[16:15:58]

ReikoShea:

as do i, maliuta

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Maliuta:

and the same applications are there from one OS to the other

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Shadow__x:

yeah vlc works fine as does totem

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Maliuta:

I differentiate between OS and application

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Shadow__x:

mplayer

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Shadow__x:

wine and mythtv fe gives screen corruption

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ReikoShea:

Shadow__x: The reason i was asking about your OS was because i had an issue with web content on 7.10 2.6.18 but when i moved to 8.04 2.6.24 it went away

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Maliuta:

to quote Linus "the only people who should ever care about what operating system is being run are developers and technical people"

[16:17:27]

Shadow__x:

well i am on 2.6.24 and same issue

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ReikoShea:

are you running the myth binary from apt?

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Maliuta:

apt is a tool not a repository

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Shadow__x:

yeah from the ubuntu source

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ReikoShea:

mal...ima slap you

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Maliuta:

apt could be used to install binaries from a number of different sources

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ReikoShea:

:-P

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Shadow__x:

i got what he was saying

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Shadow__x:

try not strangling each other

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Maliuta:

ReikoShea: don't be a tease now :P

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ReikoShea:

:-)

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ReikoShea:

sound like my wife

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Maliuta:

but I'm not your bitch :P

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ReikoShea:

LOL

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ReikoShea:

The point i was trying to make was ubuntu's repository's sometimes have unstable distributions

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ReikoShea:

you might try and grab a stable version

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Shadow__x:

hmm

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Shadow__x:

from

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ReikoShea:

thats my only qualm with that OS is the number of betas in the repository

[16:20:35]

Shadow__x:

i also tried using hte open source ones

[16:20:46]

Shadow__x:

and compiling from source on numerous occasions

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ReikoShea:

compiling from source yielded the same results i take it?

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Shadow__x:

yeah

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Shadow__x:

its a bug with the new drivers

[16:21:07]

ReikoShea:

oh....thats sad times

[16:21:11]

ReikoShea:

you could be right

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Shadow__x:

its been confirmed

[16:21:22]

ReikoShea:

just trying to give some options

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Shadow__x:

i found many other users griping about it on forums

[16:21:40]

Shadow__x:

my card is a x1400

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ReikoShea:

answered my question before i could ask it

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Shadow__x:

i may just decide to swap that out with a 7900gs and never have an issue again

[16:22:07]

Shadow__x:

and i liked ati

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Shadow__x:

until i came to linux

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Shadow__x:

lol

[16:22:14]

ReikoShea:

I still like ati

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ReikoShea:

even on linux

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ReikoShea:

(blasphemy, i know)

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Shadow__x:

actually i had an issue with my x1900 aIW the fan would never go above 60 percent and then overheat and give me a bsod

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Maliuta:

ati has "relations" with goats

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ReikoShea:

lol, that is an ATI 'feature'

[16:23:05]

ReikoShea:

both the fan speed and the goats

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Shadow__x:

ah yes great feature

[16:23:28]

ReikoShea:

its still in effect on the 4870 as well

[16:23:29]

Shadow__x:

hey the 4850 and 70 are a step in a good direction though

[16:23:46]

ReikoShea:

a friend of mine im'ed me that this morning

[16:24:16]

ReikoShea:

he said something about a fan controller app that was released bringing the core from 82C to 55C

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Sulx:

does anyone have technisat dvb card (b2c2) and 2.6.26=< kernel ?

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Shadow__x:

ReikoShea:

[16:24:44]

Shadow__x:

ReikoShea: its called ati tools atleast on windows

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ReikoShea:

lol, i dont have that card....just an fyi sulx

[16:25:28]

ReikoShea:

there ya go...he was just touting that card all day on friday...until his machine turned it self off....

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ReikoShea:

i was quite amused i must say

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ComandXX:

is it possible to use multiple firewire inputs for mythtv?

[16:26:31]

Shadow__x:

yes

[16:26:36]

ComandXX:

and how many are possible on an average machine

[16:26:46]

ComandXX:

maybe $500/600 machine

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Shadow__x:

well depends

[16:26:56]

ReikoShea:

HD or SD?

[16:27:00]

ComandXX:

HD

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Shadow__x:

also on hd speed right ?

[16:27:17]

ComandXX:

?

[16:27:24]

ComandXX:

HD as in HDTV or HD as in Hard Disk?

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ReikoShea:

HDTV

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ComandXX:

right... the head end would output HDTV signals

[16:27:52]

Shadow__x:

hard drive speed

[16:28:02]

ComandXX:

7200RPM drives sound good?

[16:28:08]

ReikoShea:

hd speed, proc type and speed and ram would be needed to give a guesstamate

[16:28:14]

justinh:

HD is typically a max of 18Mbits/sec

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ComandXX:

how many mbps is the average HDD

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Shadow__x:

hmm

[16:28:45]

justinh:

broadcast HD is usually less though

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ComandXX:

not interface speed, real speed

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Shadow__x:

i have gotten 60MB/sec before

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Shadow__x:

peak of course

[16:29:25]

ComandXX:

so maybe 3 is possible?

[16:29:30]

ComandXX:

wait... no

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justinh:

should be

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Shadow__x:

more than that

[16:29:44]

justinh:

but.. depends how you're getting it

[16:29:46]

ComandXX:

can I do 3 without doing a RAID drive?

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justinh:

people using firewire have enough problems keeping one working

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ComandXX:

s/drive/array/

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Shadow__x:

i have 4 mpeg2 streams and have no issue

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ComandXX:

HD streams?

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Shadow__x:

yeah i have that onto a single drive

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Shadow__x:

3 HD streams

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Shadow__x:

one analog

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ReikoShea:

raid 0 would help a lot if youre worried about speed

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justinh:

disk i/o isn't likely to be a big concern

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ComandXX:

it would be pure recording to disk... no processing

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Shadow__x:

i agree with justinh

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ComandXX:

so I don't see a need for much CPU

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Shadow__x:

ComandXX: for playback

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Shadow__x:

yes

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justinh:

firewire is less intensive than USB for CPU utilisation, that's for sure

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ReikoShea:

except when youre recording two things simultaneously, disk io is an issue...expecially in a read-write situation

[16:31:32]

ComandXX:

right... what processor speed should I be looking at?

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ComandXX:

for 1080p playback

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justinh:

does nobody read the freakin FAQ around here?

[16:31:50]

Shadow__x:

8 4 ghz cores

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justinh:

1080p WHAT?

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ReikoShea:

:-X

[16:32:04]

justinh:

mpeg2. h.264 ... que?

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ComandXX:

1080p MPEG2

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ComandXX:

off of the firewire

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justinh:

there's no 1080p broadcast anywhere

[16:32:25]

justinh:

720p or 1080i

[16:32:26]

ComandXX:

I know, it would be 1080p playback though...

[16:32:35]

justinh:

no it wouldn't

[16:32:39]

ReikoShea:

cant do 1080p playback on a 1080i stream

[16:32:45]

ComandXX:

I'm not going to be sending my TV an interlaced signal...

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wagnerrp:

1080p doesnt exist over here in the US

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ComandXX:

or does mythtv allow that using HDMI-out video cards?

[16:33:15]

ComandXX:

I already have a popcornhour for my 1080P content

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justinh:

the problem with interlaced video output is the order of the fields

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justinh:

there's a 50–50 chance they'll be displayed in the wrong order

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justinh:

no easy means to sync odd & even with the player

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ComandXX:

ok... so RAID 0, AMD 64 4000+, 2GB of Ram, and an nVidia/AMD HDMI-out card...

[16:34:51]

justinh:

no need for raid0 really

[16:35:02]

wagnerrp:

no need for raid of any sort

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justinh:

and forget ATI on linux because.. well – they're more miss than hit

[16:35:13]

wagnerrp:

just have two independent drives in one storage group

[16:35:13]

ComandXX:

oh, and a firewire controller and/or a MB with at least 2 firewire inputs

[16:35:16]

Shadow__x:

yeah do nvidia

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will store to them round-robin

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Shadow__x:

you wont have to worry

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justinh:

nvidia aren't faultless either but generally nearer the mark than ATI most of the time

[16:35:35]

ComandXX:

ok...

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ComandXX:

any good HDMI-out cards?

[16:35:44]

justinh:

that said, ATI are improving

[16:35:57]

Shadow__x:

they are improving agreed

[16:36:14]

justinh:

(allegedly, according to spurious reports. YMMV)

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Shadow__x:

ComandXX: or dvi to hdmi

[16:36:30]

justinh:

HDMI == DVI + digital audio

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ComandXX:

I know that

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ReikoShea:

will TVs let you do DVI => HDMI?

[16:36:50]

ComandXX:

:)

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Shadow__x:

yesh i know

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ComandXX:

I have a DVI->HDMI adapter sitting right next to me

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ReikoShea:

i thought there was an encryption layer or a check sum there....something strange...

[16:37:13]

justinh:

nope

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ComandXX:

DVI can pass along any encryption

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justinh:

HDCP is part of DVI too

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ComandXX:

right

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ReikoShea:

ahh

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ComandXX:

HDCP can go over DVI

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that EVER cares about encryption is the source

[16:37:28]

ReikoShea:

okay

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wagnerrp:

if the source doesnt care, then everything is happy

[16:37:42]

ReikoShea:

so VGA => HDMI = Fail right?

[16:37:45]

justinh:

and linux being linux... there's no such thing

[16:37:56]

ComandXX:

ReikoShea, yeah

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ReikoShea:

just checking

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ReikoShea:

ive only got standard def stuff, so ive never read up on any of this

[16:38:18]

justinh:

doubtless you can buy VGA – HDMI converter boxes but WHY?!

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ReikoShea:

cause a tv has an HDMI port but no VGA or DVI

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ReikoShea:

:_

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ReikoShea:

:) *

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justinh:

they're way more expensive than just buying a new video card

[16:39:09]

ReikoShea:

i should say....it might only have that port

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justinh:

WAY more

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ReikoShea:

oh...okay, just making an observation as to why

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Shadow__x:

my tv has a dvi port

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justinh:

if you're retarded you might want one

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ReikoShea:

grr...i hate this channel....now im gonna have to read up on HD crap

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justinh:

why? just ask lame questions like a lazy person rather than read up on anything. everyone else seems to :P

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ComandXX:

Hmm... can get a RADEON HD 3450 for $36.99 shipped from Newegg

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justinh:

weren't you here when people were saying be wary of ATI on linux?

[16:41:18]

ComandXX:

yeah

[16:41:26]

justinh:

well, it's your money

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ReikoShea:

i like to read

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wagnerrp:

didnt they release the full spec for their 4xxx series?

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ComandXX:

$44 + 8 ship after rebate GF 8600

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justinh:

wagnerrp: makes no difference if nobody is around to code the drivers :P

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ComandXX:

now CPU it doesn't make any difference, right?

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Shadow__x:

eh

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Maliuta:

ComandXX: aslong as it's not like a 486

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justinh:

it doesn't make any difference so long as it's powerful enough to grunt through the content

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ComandXX:

:)

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justinh:

the VGA card won't be helping with any of it

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Maliuta:

or, god help you, a 386

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ComandXX:

X2 5000+ $66 shipped

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ComandXX:

does MythTV like being in a 64 bit environment?

[16:43:50]

Shadow__x:

do you

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Maliuta:

mine hasn't complained yet

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ComandXX:

I love it

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Shadow__x:

so then

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Shadow__x:

myth is more developed then you are so

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Maliuta:

mind you it hasn't called me up and thanked me ... or bought me a drink either

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Shadow__x:

:D

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justinh:

the advantages of 64-bit computing still have to become obvious to most

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ComandXX:

hmm.. ASUS HDMI-out GeForce 8200 $90 shipped on newegg

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ComandXX:

no need for a sep graphics card

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Maliuta:

justinh: but it still doesn't make my bed for me

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Maliuta:

justinh: computers are supposed to make my life easier

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RyeBrye:

does the HDMI on mobos like taht include sound or just video?

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ComandXX:

that is what I am trying to figure out

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RyeBrye:

DVI -> HDMI cables are cheap, so I've never bothered to look for HDMI out on a graphics card

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RyeBrye:

but if the motherboard had HDMI out, I would expect it to already throw sound on there – which would be nice to have

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squidly:

RyeBrye: with HDMI that does video and sound?

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justinh:

RyeBrye: they generally do. whether they work in linux or not.. YMMV again I'm afraid

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squidly:

sweet. that would make it a lot nicer then having to have multiple cords to the back of the tv

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xtknight:

i know this isn't the tvtime or even general v4l support channel but if anyone could give me tips on getting past a simple blue screen on a bttv adapter, i'd greatly appreciate it. the adapter works alone, but when i also have a hauppage card in there, it no longer works, even if i specify the right /dev/video device

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clever:

xtknight: you had to compile your ivtv from source?

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xtknight:

clever, i'm using an ubuntu hardy distro with a custom 2.6.26.2 kernel

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clever:

xtknight: my problem, bttv came with its own tveeprom.ko(in the binary package)

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xtknight:

clever, i didn't have to do anything for the hauppage digital tuner to work

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clever:

xtknight: and ivtv recompiled its own tveeprom.ko which screwed up bttv

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xtknight:

hauppage analog one is not supported or simply doesnt work at the moment for me so i have to rely on my secondary analog tuner

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clever:

xtknight: to fix it i expect id need to compile both drivers from a single source set

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xtknight:

hmm

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xtknight:

i've never needed an eeprom for this adapter so i dunno

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clever:

it still needs tveeprom.ko even if you dont touch that chio

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xtknight:

ya i see what you mean. well i am using tveeprom.ko from the 2.6.26.2 kernel

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clever:

modinfo bttv|grep depend

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clever:

depends: videobuf-core,videobuf-dma-sg,i2c-core,ir-common,videodev,tveeprom,v4l2-common,b tcx-risc,v4l1-compat,i2c-algo-bit,compat_ioctl32

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xtknight:

[55069.366621] bttv0: timeout: drop=0 irq=37851/389843, risc=3781b03c, bits: HSYNC OFLOW

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xtknight:

i get stuff like this

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xtknight:

i've had the card work before though

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clever:

is the ivtv driver also in the 2.6.26.2 source?

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xtknight:

/lib/modules/2.6.26.2/kernel/drivers/media/video/ivtv/ivtv.ko

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justinh:

b lue screen sounds like the wrong input is selected

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clever:

i havent touched my bttv card in months, the ivtv driver killed it

[16:57:30]

xtknight:

justinh, ya it acts exactly like this, unfortunately i am pretty sure the input is selected properly ("Television"). i'd expect to see at least static if the frequency table were incorrect ('signal detection' is disabled)

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xtknight:

clever, it *killed* it?

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xtknight:

:\

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clever:

connect every input to a source!

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clever:

xtknight: it killed the tveeprom.ko which made the driver non functional

[16:58:34]

clever:

id have to rmmod ivtv and tveeprom.ko and reload the OTHER tveeprom.ko manualy to get it working

[16:58:50]

xtknight:

i dont have ivtv loaded at the moment and i am using a Hauppauge HD tuner fine. or is that for the analog part of the hauppauge?

[16:59:01]

ComandXX:

hmm... the list of firewire cards on mythtv's wiki doesn't give any really good choices for FW

[16:59:07]

ComandXX:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire . . . rewire_Cards

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justinh:

firewire is firewire is firewire

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justinh:

FFS

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xtknight:

ComandXX, if you need a firewire card, the rosewill board with the NEC chip is supported on linux

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ComandXX:

and the ones that it does list are rated very low on Newegg

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Shadow__x:

xtknight: what card do you have

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Shadow__x:

and in tvtime you might also have the channel freq wrong

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ComandXX:

xtknight, thanks

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xtknight:

Shadow__x, i have a hauppague hvr 1800 (HD/analog) and "bttv card=78 tuner=2"

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Shadow__x:

uh

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Shadow__x:

the analog on the 1800 works

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xtknight:

im not sure what the name of the other one is, altho these parameters worked fine for the card. i think it's a kworld or something

[17:00:55]

Shadow__x:

i have one and it works

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xtknight:

Shadow__x, what kernel?

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Shadow__x:

it worked out of the box on 2.26

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Shadow__x:

on 2.24 you have to do the sensible thing and install the firmware and the driver

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xtknight:

you had to load an eeprom file right?

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Shadow__x:

but again sensible

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Shadow__x:

on what kernel

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Shadow__x:

on 2.26 i didnt have to do anything

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xtknight:

oh ok

[17:02:05]

xtknight:

well i have 2.6.26.2

[17:02:07]

xtknight:

i'll try it again

[17:02:15]

xtknight:

last time i tried i thought i had 2.6.25 but i cant remember

[17:02:19]

Shadow__x:

well the 1800 creates 2 video devices

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Shadow__x:

one raw one mp3g encoder

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xtknight:

right now i have /dev/video0 (hauppauge), /dev/video1 (hauppauge), /dev/video2 (bttv)

[17:03:15]

Shadow__x:

use video0 in tvtime

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Shadow__x:

are you in the us

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xtknight:

yea

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Shadow__x:

you might need to change chan freq to us cable hrc

[17:03:36]

Shadow__x:

i had to for it to work in tvtime

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ComandXX:

xtknight, I'm not seeing it saying it has linux support... and someone on the mythtv site actually lists it as 'not working'

[17:04:03]

Shadow__x:

you can use ivtv-tune to tune the video1 device and use mplayer to watch it

[17:05:04]

xtknight:

ah

[17:05:14]

xtknight:

[54625.474387] ERROR: Hotplug firmware request failed (v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw).

[17:05:16]

xtknight:

well i'm seeing that too.

[17:05:28]

xtknight:

but you said .26 doenst need the firmware?

[17:05:51]

Shadow__x:

i didnt

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xtknight:

i tried video0 in tvtime no luck on any of the three coaxial inputs on my hauppauge

[17:06:02]

Shadow__x:

but go ahead install it

[17:06:07]

Shadow__x:

uh

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Shadow__x:

did you listen to me

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Shadow__x:

you have to change the channel freq

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Shadow__x:

it works

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xtknight:

i did that too

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xtknight:

to hrc

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Shadow__x:

YOU arent doing something right

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xtknight:

lol

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Shadow__x:

it works i have gotten working after many tear downs

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ComandXX:

damn... can't seem to find a confirmed, working, 100% legit firewire capture card

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ComandXX:

for mythtv

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xtknight:

i think if the kernel supports it myth should as well

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xtknight:

because the firewire stack is common below the driver level?

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directhex:

ComandXX, erm... any. firewire is, like usb, generally supported by a single driver

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Shadow__x:

maybe someone shouldnt be trying mythtv 0–0

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directhex:

so whether it's onboard, on a sound card, or on a random pci card, it works

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xtknight:

Shadow__x, once i loaded the firmware for .26.2 it works

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Shadow__x:

k

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Shadow__x:

dont know it worked the way i compiled it

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xtknight:

prolly cuz im using ivtv in the kernel instead of compiling theirs

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Shadow__x:

right

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Shadow__x:

i didnt do ivtv

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ComandXX:

screw it... TiVo HD is cheaper ;-)

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Shadow__x:

heh

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Shadow__x:

i knew it

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ComandXX:

stupid cablelabs

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ComandXX:

if there was cablecards available for mythtv usage I would jump on it in a second

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Maliuta:

ComandXX: but a tivo is less flexible than a myth box

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justinh:

muh muh muh cablecards lol

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ajh:

maliuta, yeah breaks less though :)

[17:22:04]

Maliuta:

ComandXX: I built my mythbox for $144AU

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justinh:

mythtv isn't about saving money IMHO

[17:22:34]

justinh:

if you value your own time, especially

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ajh:

Or having something stable. :)

[17:22:59]

ajh:

Constant flux :)

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justinh:

mythtv is stable here

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ajh:

If you never upgrade sure.

[17:23:22]

ajh:

but stable is stagnant.

[17:23:32]

justinh:

people who upgrade constantly for the sake of it have everything coming to them

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Maliuta:

justinh: no, it's about integrating with the rest of my network, enabling me to watch tv on all computaional devices ...

[17:23:38]

ajh:

Upi

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ajh:

You're mis-interpreting what I said.

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ajh:

I'm not saying it's crashing, I'm saying it is constantly changing.

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Maliuta:

justinh: and right now I have the time spare ... I'm waiting for my hip to be replaced before I can go back to work

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dustybin:

justinh: not when they use debian :P

[17:26:19]

dustybin:

after all this time, i thought the TV in my bedroom was a 26", i just measured it from corner to corner and its 24"

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dustybin:

what am i?

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justinh:

bedroom inflation eh

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ReikoShea:

aww thats sad

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directhex:

it appears dustybin fails in epic style at understanding CRT screen sizes

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directhex:

after he went on & on about the superiority of SD CRT

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justinh:

or is just bad at measuring

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directhex:

2" of bezel sounds like a lot, but 1" at least is normal

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kormoc:

directhex, he's likely at around 1.5" and rounding up

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kormoc:

and 1.5" bezel is fairly common on cheaper tv's

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ajh:

CRT is only superior in projectors these days.

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directhex:

dustybin, CRT screen sizes do not measure visible size, they measure tube size. you lose at least an inch to the plastic bezel

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justinh:

ajh: apart from if you're talking about displaying interlaced SDTV in a domestic environment

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dustybin:

ok

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justinh:

saw plenty of horrendous looking telly over the weekend on LCDs. not cheapo models by any stretch either

[17:30:40]

justinh:

maybe they look great with HD, but where's the HD?!

[17:30:43]

justinh:

oh yeah now I remember. there is none of note yet

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dustybin:

LCDs look evil, im going to get another exact same model CRT for downstairs

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dustybin:

justinh: exactly

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ajh:

Bad scaling can cause it to look really bad though.

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justinh:

my inlaws set makes fast moving stuff look shite

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** directhex plays a lot of games, HD is a must **

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justinh:

my parents' set makes slow moving stuff look shite

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dustybin:

HD = expensive, its not only a expensive TV, your whole system needs re-designing to cope with the mass amount of data HD uses

[17:32:03]

ajh:

I like having half my room back.

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directhex:

ajh, amen

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dustybin:

justinh: roughly how long do you think low-res freeview will be on air for?

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AndyCap:

dustybin: 20 years. :P

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dustybin:

nice :-)

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dustybin:

i have nearly all the components for my sisters frontend, all im missing now is a box what can take a full size ATX board

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AndyCap:

dustybin: I dunno, but HD has been taking it's time, and switching to digital is pain enough.

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frikker:

does anyone recommend using a ps3 as a mythtv backend? or should I just forget about it and get a cheap barebones kit?

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directhex:

using what kind of tuner, exactly?

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dustybin:

ps3 should not be used as a backend, maybe a frontend

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ajh:

It would be a silly backend.

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AndyCap:

frikker: the cpu in a ps3 is pants.

[17:35:48]

ajh:

Like using a Corvette as a Golf Cart.

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wagnerrp:

you could use a USB tuner

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directhex:

space for one hard disk, and usb-only tuners. meh.

[17:35:53]

frikker:

AndyCap: is that british for awesome, or for terrible?

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wagnerrp:

but whats the point

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AndyCap:

frikker: terrible.

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frikker:

well i could easily use it as a frontend

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frikker:

AndyCap: thanks :)

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directhex:

AndyCap, what's wrong with cell? i mean, on a theoretical level

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wagnerrp:

very few applications can make use of the SPEs

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frikker:

directhex: nothing, its an amazing architecture

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ajh:

I'm hoping those Dell Hybrids work for FE.

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frikker:

directhex: but outside of ps3 world the access is limited

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dustybin:

to hell with it, time to re-install mythbuntu on my sisters box and see if i can get the remote working

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wagnerrp:

and the PPE is a POS

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directhex:

frikker, you're being misinformed. there are bigger issues with using a ps3 as a frontend, due to lack of proper v ideo driver

[17:36:35]

AndyCap:

directhex: a, sure, the theoretical mythtv Cell edition would run great on it

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kormoc:

AndyCap, pants is terrible? what do you guys do? wonder around in skirts?

[17:36:42]

wagnerrp:

in-order-execution

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directhex:

AndyCap, then take a peek in the wiki

[17:36:51]

AndyCap:

kormoc: ay, laddie. :P

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frikker:

directhex: i understand i can use it with a uPNP set up though, sharing media

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the PS3 is limited to about 180MB of RAM in linux

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directhex:

frikker, yes, you can. that works fine with dvb recordings

[17:37:10]

frikker:

directhex: although would that be for movies only and recorded shows, but not TV?

[17:37:14]

frikker:

directhex: gotcha. so no live TV theN?

[17:37:19]

directhex:

indeed

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frikker:

hmm.

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AndyCap:

directhex: so what we have is shaping up to be the PVR-350 for the 2010's

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AndyCap:

win.

[17:38:48]

frikker:

thanks guys

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directhex:

epic win!

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kormoc:

Tuna Win!

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Maliuta:

out of interest does anyone know of a non X based way to configure the backend?

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AndyCap:

I should get an account just to tag it with "PVR-350 for the new millenium"

[17:40:21]

Maliuta:

I would like to be able to conf backends without X installed

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kormoc:

Maliuta, you could use x forwarding

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AndyCap:

Maliuta: install X on another machine and run over ssh?

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directhex:

considering the backend requires x libraries, what are you saving exactly?

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Maliuta:

I had considered that

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** AndyCap braces for impact **

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Maliuta:

directhex: libs are one thing, I just didn't want an X server on that machine

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directhex:

so use x forwarding, to save the enormous pain of building one small executable

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directhex:

job jobbed

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Maliuta:

so there is no file I can edit to tell it where to find things like the DB server and the DB?

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Maliuta:

directhex: and I just checked, my compile doesn't require x libs for the backend

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kormoc:

the ~/.mythtv/config.xml I believe

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kormoc:

Maliuta, no, but it requires QT which requires X libs

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ReikoShea:

kormoc: sounds right

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directhex:

let me guess. directfb qt.

[17:44:25]

directhex:

cunting gentoobies

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kormoc:

directhex, die in a fire?

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Maliuta:

kormoc: still only libs and not actuall servers or utils

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kormoc:

Maliuta, sure, who's arguing otherwise?

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ReikoShea:

Maliuta: why cant you just use vi, nano or pico to modify your confs

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ReikoShea:

that way you dont have to install X

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ReikoShea:

i guess ill mention emacs too before i get yelled at

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directhex:

ReikoShea, very clever. except all mythtv config happens in a large mysql database

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ReikoShea:

mysql database name

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ReikoShea:

apt-get install mysql-client

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ReikoShea:

(assuming ubuntu or debian)

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kormoc:

edit config.xml point to db, edit rest in db, fail when you forget to modify one required field, rinse and repeat

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directhex:

if he were using ubuntu or debian there wouldn't be this "no x server plz" farce

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kormoc:

sure, Debian server doesn't come with X by default

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ReikoShea:

debian installs default w/o x

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Maliuta:

that's what I am running

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AndyCap:

directhex: no problem, you can just edit the mysql files if you know what you're doing. this rdbms thing is just for lazy programmers who cant program around it.

[17:49:53]

directhex:

zomg, xserver-xorg consumes a phenomenal 680k of disk. woe is me

[17:49:56]

ReikoShea:

so use a command line editor (see above) to modify config.xml and then if you have data base stuff todo, use mysql client

[17:50:08]

ReikoShea:

it consumes more ram, directhex

[17:50:10]

kormoc:

christ, talk about helping, jesus

[17:50:12]

Maliuta:

all the docs I had read said only to conf via the X prog. I just did some digging ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt tells it to find the DB

[17:50:24]

ReikoShea:

there ya go

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Maliuta:

then I just have to populate the DB correctly :)

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kormoc:

Maliuta, mysql.txt is depreciated, config.xml or the like is the new way

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directhex:

good luck. it's 90 tables, give or take

[17:50:38]

ReikoShea:

fix it there, and if you have a dump you can just dump it back in

[17:50:40]

Maliuta:

I have only been using myth for about 2 weeks

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ReikoShea:

lol, direct...you think small

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ReikoShea:

every application i have in my office is 500 tables or more

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AndyCap:

Maliuta: since you haven't configured it, I would say no. you haven't been using it

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kormoc:

although, x forwarding is much easier

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ReikoShea:

or phpMyAdmin

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directhex:

kormoc, duh

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kormoc:

number of tables is meaningless typically

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Maliuta:

AndyCap: that's on my laptop which I have been using it on :P

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kormoc:

it's the 300 setting = value pairs in the settings table that's the fun part

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directhex:

kormoc, if you're trying to be a clever clogs & do it all on the command line, i think it might have som bearing

[17:52:05]

Maliuta:

kormoc: I have a config.xml only in the user that has been running frontend stuff

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ReikoShea:

thats where it should be maliuta

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kormoc:

directhex, I have no clue what you're even saying

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SHADOW__X:

hey iamlindoro

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ReikoShea:

the daemon runs as a user, and it will have ownership of the files by default if its in that users home dir

[17:52:51]

iamlindoro:

Hola

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Maliuta:

AndyCap: I am in the process of confing up a server specifically for backend only. that's why I asked that Q. until now I have been running front and backend on my laptop

[17:53:08]

ReikoShea:

(of course those perms can be changed)

[17:53:28]

ReikoShea:

so do you have the db setup on your laptop mal?

[17:53:35]

AndyCap:

Maliuta: and running ssh x forwarding doesn't solve the prolem why?

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stoove:

hello, i have an bt8x8 tv card and an ati graphics card. the problem im having is that when i press watch tv in the frontend i only get a green screen. i have succsefully scanned for channels and when i change channels the audio also changes, but the screen stays green... kdetv works fine though

[17:54:07]

kormoc:

Maliuta, so why not just xforward to your laptop? it would be much faster and all that jazz then doing it by hand

[17:54:11]

ReikoShea:

if you have the db on your laptop, you can do the following

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ReikoShea:

mysqldump --opt <DBNAME> > filename

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Maliuta:

ReikoShea: using groups and other perm stuff and common storage areas to deal with permissioning. I did have the DB on there when I first started plying (I was house sitting at a friends) then I moved it to my server

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kormoc:

ReikoShea, keep in mind a lot of the tables are keyed off of hostname

[17:54:49]

ReikoShea:

scp filename maliuta@server:filename

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ReikoShea:

gotcha kormoc

[17:55:24]

Maliuta:

ReikoShea: yeah, I'm thinking I might use some of my copius free time to script up some CLI backend config stuff to pass on to the maintainers of the debian packages

[17:55:27]

ReikoShea:

mysqldump --opt <DBNAME> | sed "s/servername/newservername" > filename

[17:55:37]

xtknight:

i have two input sources, how do i switch between them on mythfrontend? i am only seeing my digital channels when i scroll through, but i added a bunch of analog ones from the analog device

[17:56:12]

ReikoShea:

bash = win

[17:56:16]

ReikoShea:

Wo0T

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ReikoShea:

hell, i might make a migration tool for this since it seems so complicated....

[17:57:41]

ReikoShea:

i think myth uses innodb tables...so binary copies are out of the question

[17:57:49]

kormoc:

ReikoShea, the typical answer is migration is hardly worth it typically, as device nodes may change, etc. It's considered much easier to just run though the setup screens again

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kormoc:

ReikoShea, no, mythweather uses innodb, the rest use myisam by default

[17:58:32]

kormoc:

although, binary copies are still considered semi-evil by mysql. copying to a different version of the db server can lead to so fun corruption issues

[17:58:50]

ReikoShea:

<== mysql dba

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ReikoShea:

:)

[17:59:13]

Maliuta:

I also want to get some postgres support going

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kormoc:

most users are not, so you gotta consider that when you give advice that can perhaps screw them :P

[17:59:26]

** Maliuta intensely dislikes using mysql **

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kormoc:

Maliuta, patches are welcome

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ReikoShea:

true story

[17:59:47]

Maliuta:

kormoc: all in time

[17:59:47]

ReikoShea:

making a postgres version probably wouldnt be too difficult

[17:59:55]

ReikoShea:

the two systems are very similar

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kormoc:

it's actually surprisingly hard

[18:00:08]

Maliuta:

ReikoShea: I figure setting up a DB extraction layer would make it easier

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kormoc:

we have a fair number of mysql specifc stuff for speed and keeping that speed while supporting postgresql isn't trivial

[18:00:47]

ReikoShea:

ahh

[18:00:51]

Maliuta:

ReikoShea: I tend to do lots of views and stored procedures in my postgres stuff, basically making interaction with the DB an API anyhow :)

[18:00:54]

ReikoShea:

i havent looked into it at all

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kormoc:

We've been looking into using embedded mysql (mythdbserver basically) so it's less of an issue

[18:01:22]

ReikoShea:

well if you do views and SP in postgres you break a lot of compatibility...which is probably what kormoc is talking about

[18:01:26]

Maliuta:

I'll see what it looks like when I get there

[18:02:18]

Maliuta:

I believe that the specifics of DB interaction should be separate from application development

[18:02:43]

justinh:

yadayada yadayada

[18:03:00]

Maliuta:

makes it easier for people to use and tune their DB of choice

[18:03:22]

kormoc:

sure, also makes it harder to develop

[18:03:34]

kormoc:

and given it's a volunteer development team...

[18:03:34]

ReikoShea:

well most people make classes per supported database...then call the specific class for each command

[18:03:37]

ReikoShea:

its harder than it sounds

[18:03:44]

justinh:

it makes it easier for people to take effortless sideswipes, though

[18:04:02]

Maliuta:

kormoc: not really, I have done alot of devel work

[18:04:18]

kormoc:

sure it does

[18:04:18]

Maliuta:

kormoc: and supported more devs as a sysadmin, I am familiar with the issues

[18:04:49]

kormoc:

when you have multiple queries for each supported db, it increases maintenance

[18:04:55]

justinh:

every once in a while somebody comes along claiming it'll be a piece of cake to turn mythtv away from mysql. eventually they see the big monster scheduler query

[18:05:11]

kormoc:

for each db we write a different scheduler query for, we have to update all of them every-time we make a change.

[18:05:12]

Maliuta:

I'm not claiming anything, just saying I'd like to see ...

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justinh:

I'd like to see .. wait, no let's not even go there

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ReikoShea:

the sun, justinh?

[18:05:58]

ReikoShea:

do you get tired of trolling?

[18:06:07]

justinh:

nah

[18:06:12]

Maliuta:

don't mention the evil day star

[18:06:36]

kormoc:

ReikoShea, justinh's not trolling, he's just tired of users complaining about free stuff :P

[18:06:48]

SHADOW__X:

i just saw a zap2it commercial

[18:07:12]

ReikoShea:

well if there were no complaints there would be no feature requests

[18:07:26]

justinh:

if there were no feature requests, it'd pretty much be a perfect world

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ReikoShea:

lol, myth is no where near perfect yet (i mean no offense to the present developers)

[18:08:14]

justinh:

I know myth is nowhere near perfect yet

[18:08:18]

kormoc:

ReikoShea, meh. if you don't like it, feel free to use something else

[18:08:24]

ReikoShea:

i love it

[18:08:27]

Maliuta:

nothing is, I'm also a bing asterisk user and it's still got lots to do

[18:08:27]

justinh:

it'll be ooooo a LONG time before it's even close

[18:08:27]

kormoc:

or contribute yourself

[18:08:53]

kormoc:

it's perfect for my wants and needs, and when it's not, I fix it to be

[18:08:55]

Maliuta:

so you do what you can, write a bit here and there to help it along

[18:08:57]

ReikoShea:

im actually thinking about it the more i use it, kormoc...gdm takes most of my time, but it actually seems like a worthwhile project

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ReikoShea:

the only problems ive had with mythtv have been minor...i will say its a lot better than i expected

[18:11:02]

ReikoShea:

but im really just using it to serve my already stored media which i could do with an NFS share and a few linux tweaks, but myth already has the whole package...so it works for me

[18:11:07]

justinh:

most of the problems people associate with mythtv aren't even directly to do with the project itself

[18:11:14]

ReikoShea:

i have no doubt

[18:11:18]

Maliuta:

I had heard all these nightmare stories, I was pleasantly surprised

[18:11:32]

Maliuta:

I managed to get it up in running fairly quickly

[18:11:52]

justinh:

people out there tell all sorts of tales. it has something of a reputation. from where.. I have no idea

[18:11:52]

Maliuta:

was expecting alot more work

[18:12:31]

kormoc:

Myth is a myth

[18:12:32]

ReikoShea:

biggest problem with myth is the cable companies....

[18:12:37]

kormoc:

it's all in our imaginations

[18:12:40]

Maliuta:

I was determined I would get it up and running, hassles weren't going to stand in my way.

[18:12:54]

Maliuta:

ReikoShea: oh, it's worse for paytv here in .au

[18:13:35]

Maliuta:

to the point where you basically have to use the cable providers STB and an IR transmitter

[18:13:53]

ReikoShea:

we're that way here with HD channels

[18:13:56]

justinh:

a big one I had to field once was about the unfriendliness of the development community – that was for a linux podcast in front of hundreds of people. Having that sprung on me wasn't pleasant. People still confuse the mythtv-dev mailing list with people who actually do most of the dev work

[18:14:14]

Maliuta:

I hope things really are getting to the point where everything just comes on IP

[18:14:26]

kormoc:

justinh, yeah, that was low :/

[18:14:34]

ReikoShea:

how many active contributors would you say there are?

[18:14:40]

Maliuta:

ReikoShea: well we're DVB-T it's easy to get the HD stuff :)

[18:14:57]

kormoc:

ReikoShea, a few hundred over the years, and about 60 folks with commit access over the years iirc

[18:15:00]

justinh:

Maliuta: personally I don't think so. IPTV is just another chance to lock things down even more. all the IPTV in the UK is a great example. oh, it's their own box or else

[18:15:47]

AndyCap:

and IPTV isn't really standardized so one can implement proper encryption. :)

[18:16:20]

justinh:

and when you're rolling out your own hardware alongside the new network.. badabing. done deal. all rolled up nice & tight.

[18:16:28]

ReikoShea:

so is there a standard submission channel? or is it just post bug fixes in a launchpad somewhere?

[18:16:41]

Maliuta:

justinh: well phone companies are still trying to own voice that way, but things like asterisk and sip/iax + mobile broadband (like hdspa) are making it easier to circumvent them for even mobile voice

[18:17:05]

justinh:

unless you're talking about IPTV as some kind of user-generated ideal.. in which case I look forward to seeing stuff worthy of my time ;)

[18:17:21]

justinh:

ReikoShea: svn.mythtv.org

[18:17:43]

justinh:

and the official wiki has a guide on how to submit contributions

[18:17:51]

ReikoShea:

ahh

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ReikoShea:

sweet

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justinh:

contributions meaning tangible things

[18:17:53]

ReikoShea:

thanks

[18:17:58]

ReikoShea:

yeah, i gotcha

[18:18:10]

ReikoShea:

cpp i take it?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Maliuta:

justinh: as data capacity increases I don't see why streaming video isn't more of an option, so you might pay to subscribe to some "channels", and others might be freely available (alot of traditional tv stations are doing streams of their content now)

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kormoc:

ReikoShea, depends. We have perl bindings for stuff, php is mythweb, there's python bindings in the works somewhere, c++ for the core stuff

[18:18:55]

kormoc:

there's some perl in mythweb as well

[18:19:09]

ReikoShea:

perl, php and python are my strengths

[18:19:13]

kormoc:

MythWeb is the easiest to get started in

[18:19:19]

ReikoShea:

i just have basic C++ from college

[18:19:32]

justinh:

a few of the plugins use external scripts to grab data, that kind of thing

[18:19:32]

kormoc:

and xris and myself are the maintainers, so feel free to directly talk with us about stuff you want to do

[18:19:55]

ReikoShea:

kk

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kormoc:

we have a fairly straight forward style we want to keep, but yeah, more folks contributing to it the better

[18:20:32]

kormoc:

there's a fair number of things that work, but just need some more time thrown at them (Video manager really should get a little more ajax loving to match the mythplugin style)

[18:21:04]

** xris wishes he had time to put some effort into mythweb **

[18:21:14]

** xris suffers from "too many projects" syndrome **

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justinh:

oh damn speaking of projects.. here I am witterring on about FA when I have work to do

[18:21:52]

** SHADOW__X suffers from the same syndrome **

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Maliuta:

work? at 4:30am?

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kormoc:

I'm at work :P

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Maliuta:

how last century :)

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kormoc:

not when it's 11:22 am :P

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xris:

justinh: http://myflavortrip.com

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Maliuta:

kormoc: timezone?

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kormoc:

Maliuta, PST

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Maliuta:

kormoc: relative to GMT

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kormoc:

-8 iirc

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Maliuta:

kormoc: PST doesn't exist in this part of the world. I am EST ... but probably not your EST

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xris:

on top of SD stuff (which I'm lax on lately), and the potential for a commercial venture with TMS like SD but for the non-free software world.

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Maliuta:

kormoc: that's 11am yesterday :P

[18:24:55]

xris:

kormoc: PST isn't a timezone.. just "pacific".. and we're PDT now.

[18:25:21]

xris:

Maliuta: where are you?

[18:25:31]

kormoc:

He's a aussie iirc?

[18:25:38]

kormoc:

xris, meh, most folks get it

[18:25:44]

xris:

yes

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Maliuta:

xris: physically or timezoney?

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xris:

Maliuta: both?

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xris:

mainly geographically

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justinh:

interesting stuff xris

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Maliuta:

physically Brisbane, QLD, .au. Timezoney GMT+10

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** justinh celebrates wireless on his laptop being worky in ubunut **

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Maliuta:

and we don't do dst here in QLD

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kormoc:

QLD Queen's Land D?

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SirFunk:

is there an ivtv chan?

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justinh:

ugh wtf is up with my window titles being transparent? pfft

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GreyFoxx:

use to be a #ivtv-dev

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GreyFoxx:

no idea if there still is

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SirFunk:

couple people there

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janneg:

SirFunk: if not you could use #v4l

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Maliuta:

kormoc: yes, Queensland. As opposed to NSW (New South Wales), VIC (Victoria), SA (South Australia) ....

[18:30:06]

SirFunk:

anyone here have a recent tuner that does analog? with their mythtv? seems like all the ones for sale now are hyrbrid and the analog sides don't work soo well in linux

[18:30:30]

justinh:

warning: failed to find version.cpp – anything I should worry about?

[18:30:59]

Maliuta:

kormoc: if people from the US can say "VA" or "WA" or whatever, I figure I can use our state abbreviations

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justinh:

SirFunk: pvr-150, pvr-500 – although reports are still around about the dual tuner being temperamental

[18:31:43]

justinh:

there's always ebay ;)

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xris:

Maliuta: at least you have states.. not like crazy brit addresses. heh.

[18:31:46]

kormoc:

Maliuta, sure, I was just wondering what the D stood for, but I guess it's just the end of land

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SirFunk:

150/500 seem out of production

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SirFunk:

eh

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xris:

kormoc: QueensLanD :)

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kormoc:

SirFunk, pvr 150 works fine and is still being made

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SHADOW__X:

SirFunk: qam works on a hvr 1800

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xris:

like the old abrev RQ for puerto rico

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SHADOW__X:

analog works in linux but havnt gotten it to worth inside myth yet

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SirFunk:

SHADOW__X: i need analog too

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SHADOW__X:

the 1600 current works with both in mythtv

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SirFunk:

ohh.. 1600 works with both eh? hmm...

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

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SirFunk:

that's tempting it's a tad cheaper than the 1800 too

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SirFunk:

i thought i read somewhere analog sound wasn't working

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SirFunk:

but that might have been out of date?

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SHADOW__X:

from a cold start

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justinh:

internet information is often unreliable

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SHADOW__X:

the sound is too fast

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SirFunk:

huh?

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SHADOW__X:

listen

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** kormoc listens and doesn't hear anything **

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xtknight:

i couldnt get analog sound to work on mine either

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SHADOW__X:

on analog in the beginning it will be too fast

[18:36:26]

SHADOW__X:

then stop the recording

[18:36:31]

SHADOW__X:

forget it

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SHADOW__X:

figure it out

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SirFunk:

lol

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SirFunk:

i just want to know what i can safely buy and expect to work

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SHADOW__X:

analog works on both the 1800 and 1600

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SHADOW__X:

under mythtv only analog on the 1600 has worked

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SirFunk:

hmm

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SirFunk:

ok

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SHADOW__X:

there is an issue with sound when you first start to use it

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SHADOW__X:

ie live tv

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SirFunk:

ahh

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SHADOW__X:

so you exit to main menu

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SHADOW__X:

and go back in

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SHADOW__X:

and its perfect

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SirFunk:

you could potentially script it or something?

[18:38:11]

SHADOW__X:

i guess it only happens when you first start to use it per restart

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SirFunk:

yeah hopeuflly i won't restart much

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SHADOW__X:

you act as if its a horrible issue

[18:38:47]

SHADOW__X:

just watch tv with it

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SHADOW__X:

stop live tv

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SHADOW__X:

then go back in

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SHADOW__X:

perfect

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SirFunk:

yeah, that's not bad

[18:39:07]

SHADOW__X:

you want it to be perfect and free

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** kormoc sighs **

[18:39:23]

SHADOW__X:

you want free tuners sent to your house as well

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, calm down

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SHADOW__X:

eh

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** justinh suggests a whip-around to buy the devs some tuners **

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SHADOW__X:

agreed

[18:40:37]

dustybin:

wow mythbuntu WORKS!!

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wagnerrp:

whip-around?

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justinh:

:-O

[18:40:52]

dustybin:

i hardly touched a thing, and everything worked!

[18:40:52]

kormoc:

sounds like it'd hurt

[18:40:57]

justinh:

wagnerrp: think of it as passing a collection plate around

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Maliuta:

mmm whips

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Maliuta:

can we also get some chains to go with the whip-round?

[18:41:29]

Maliuta:

or would that be a separate round?

[18:41:30]

dustybin:

the TV was super smooth, and setup properly on a old TFT 1024x768 TFT downstairs

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justinh:

Maliuta: chains cost extra

[18:42:06]

dustybin:

even though CRTs are nice, the menus look nice and sharp when using a TFT

[18:42:23]

dustybin:

the menus look better than the TV

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justinh:

course they do

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dustybin:

but the TV didnt look too bad either, and that was a old TFT, REALLY OLD

[18:43:28]

Maliuta:

dustybin: considering the res on any monitor is going to be better than that of most tv's ...

[18:43:51]

RyeBrye:

not my TV :)

[18:44:08]

Maliuta:

dustybin: I mean even 1080p "HD" isn't 1600x1050

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dustybin:

however, even at that small size, i did notice pixelation, and that was on a small 15", imagine how bad that pixelation would be on a 32"+

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** dustybin shudders **

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justinh:

Maliuta: resolution isn't all. especially with SDTV

[18:45:31]

dustybin:

SDTV = CRT HDTV = LCD/PLASMA

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justinh:

the LCDs I was watching at the weekend – one was a 1080p model. SDTV looked appalling though

[18:45:39]

dustybin:

UK = 99% SDTV = CRT

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dustybin:

justinh: i can imagine

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wagnerrp:

they make HDTV CRTs, as well as DLP rear projection

[18:46:35]

wagnerrp:

HDTV does not imply LCD/Plasma

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: oh stop being finicky :P

[18:47:00]

justinh:

you might struggle to find a HDTV CRT in the UK now

[18:47:08]

justinh:

struggle very, very hard indeed

[18:47:27]

justinh:

then again, it's a struggle to find a set which isn't black & shiny

[18:47:52]

justinh:

that'll be out of fashion by the time my current TV breaks though.. I hope!

[18:47:56]

dustybin:

am i right in thinking, that everyone here who uses plasmas + lcds with mythtv, are watching hd material? otherwise, it would look terrible

[18:48:02]

justinh:

dustybin: nope

[18:48:05]

Maliuta:

I'm tempted to go out and buy a big assed monitor instead of a tv

[18:48:16]

RyeBrye:

SDTV often looks apalling on HD sets – but I think ones that have a good internal upscaler can make it a lot less ugly

[18:48:21]

justinh:

and FWIW myth is better than the majority of TV scalers at scaling & deinterlacing

[18:48:26]

kormoc:

dustybin, I'm SD content on a LCD, it looks fairly good

[18:48:28]

Maliuta:

I can get 24" widescreen monitors cheaper than 24" tv's

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kormoc:

dustybin, DVD's look awesome tho

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dustybin:

kormoc: what does the scaling?

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justinh:

dustybin: Xv

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justinh:

or whatever video renderer

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dustybin:

so Xv will stop SDTV look pixelated?

[18:49:04]

justinh:

nope

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** Maliuta tries for bed ... yet again **

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dustybin:

kormoc: what size display you using?

[18:49:47]

kormoc:

dustybin, I use the auto-scale patchsets so it detects the content and scales to fit nicely

[18:49:51]

kormoc:

26" or so?

[18:50:11]

dustybin:

right never heard of those, will this be a new feature on .22 ?

[18:50:29]

** kormoc shrugs **

[18:50:38]

kormoc:

depends if they ever get merged in, they're sitting in a trac ticket right now

[18:50:43]

RyeBrye:

For a proc for a new system – should I get a Core2 Quad 2.6 GHz or a Core2 Duo 3.16 GHz? I can probably OC th C2Q up to 2.8 without much trouble...

[18:50:43]

justinh:

wonder how much a lanzcos scaler would cost us

[18:50:45]

dustybin:

kormoc: one last question, what is the make and model of your 26" TV ?

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justinh:

banana splits tv comeback.. oh heck no

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floppyears:

hi guys

[18:53:20]

floppyears:

how does the adjust audio sync feature work when watching something in mythtv ?

[18:53:35]

justinh:

it adjusts the offset between audio & video

[18:53:47]

justinh:

as you'd pretty much expect, I'd have thought

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floppyears:

justinh: does it work within mythdvd or only when playing recorded tv shows ?

[18:54:53]

justinh:

works for everything the internal player does

[18:55:26]

floppyears:

thanks justinh

[18:55:45]

ReikoShea:

back

[18:56:31]

floppyears:

justinh: so if the video is two or 3 seconds ahead of the sound, would I positively adjust the sync ?

[18:56:48]

justinh:

I dunno. never had to use it

[18:57:03]

ReikoShea:

just adjust, and if it gets worse, adjust it the other way

[18:57:04]

floppyears:

thanks though

[18:57:10]

floppyears:

ok

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dustybin:

m

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ReikoShea:

:)

[18:57:32]

dustybin:

justinh: if my sister starts using a frontend, do you think its worth buying another nova-t 500 card for my backend?

[18:57:42]

justinh:

ruh?

[18:58:02]

dustybin:

justinh: if me and my sister are watching and recording stuff, stuff might start to conflic with 2 tuners

[18:58:07]

justinh:

maybe, maybe not. I don't hold the purse strings :P

[18:58:22]

dustybin:

im sure i could pick up another pretty cheap

[18:58:37]

dustybin:

the question is, will they be useless in a years time?

[18:58:41]

justinh:

no

[18:58:46]

dustybin:

thats alright then

[18:59:15]

justinh:

3 tuners is enough for us, but we don't use livetv

[18:59:33]

dustybin:

ok

[18:59:38]

clever:

im managing to get by on 1 tuner somehow

[18:59:45]

dustybin:

4 tuners + multi-record = should be enough

[18:59:58]

floppyears:

wow

[19:00:03]

floppyears:

4 tuners is quite a bit

[19:00:09]

justinh:

heh

[19:00:10]

dustybin:

my box shows as 4 tuners with my nova-t 500 2 tuners

[19:00:12]

floppyears:

we hae 2 tuners and we usually manage pretty well

[19:00:14]

clever:

floppyears: and multi-record lets you get 8 from a single tuner:P

[19:00:23]

clever:

under perfect conditons

[19:00:26]

justinh:

8? I had 10

[19:00:37]

clever:

justinh: your numbers may be more updated:P

[19:00:57]

dustybin:

i could change my multi-rec to 6 tuners

[19:00:58]

clever:

or your cable co is shoving lower bitrate shows in to fit more shows/freq

[19:01:06]

justinh:

we only have a max of 8 channels per multiplex here in terms of tv channels

[19:01:22]

clever:

and 2 radio ones?

[19:01:31]

justinh:

loads of radio channels

[19:01:50]

dustybin:

i havent touched XMLTV for AGES, and its been working perfectly

[19:01:57]

dustybin:

last time i touched it was a about 4 months ago

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a1fa:

hhahha.. tivo users hit with auto-delete flag

[19:02:49]

justinh:

dustybin: you should see the new xmltv config stuff for tv_grab_uk_rt. Man it's sweet!

[19:03:04]

clever:

my ir blaster is still dead

[19:03:11]

clever:

even after replacing 3/4th of the parts

[19:03:11]

dustybin:

justinh: i like the way it grabs icons

[19:03:30]

justinh:

you know the idea I talked about & started to code up before abandoning it? nick took the idea & ran with it all the way to the finish line

[19:03:37]

floppyears:

clever: is multi-record a mythtv feature or only available on certain tuners ?

[19:03:45]

dustybin:

no i dont

[19:03:50]

clever:

floppyears: its a feature of digital tuners that mythtv can use

[19:03:54]

justinh:

floppyears: only digital ones\

[19:04:09]

justinh:

dustybin: put in yer postcode, tell it who your provider is.. badabing!

[19:04:18]

dustybin:

ace

[19:04:23]

dustybin:

yes i do remember

[19:04:35]

a1fa:

http://gizmodo.com/5037938/tivo-auto+delete-f . . . ly-star-trek

[19:04:47]

a1fa:

=)

[19:05:03]

justinh:

their little way of reminding you, you might own the box but they own you

[19:05:14]

justinh:

muhahahahahahaha!

[19:05:15]

dustybin:

hehe

[19:05:27]

floppyears:

thanks justinh clever

[19:05:33]

dustybin:

when accessing mythweb, and my sister is using her frontend bit

[19:05:42]

dustybin:

can my sister log into her recordings only from mythweb

[19:06:00]

justinh:

don't think so

[19:06:01]

dustybin:

maybe its best if everything is kept together

[19:06:15]

dustybin:

then she can watch shit i record and i can watch shit i record

[19:06:47]

** dustybin wonders how much CPU damage will be done once my sister starts frontending **

[19:07:12]

** dustybin pats poor backend **

[19:07:12]

xris:

dustybin: nope, it's all or nothing

[19:07:28]

dustybin:

ok

[19:07:50]

a1fa:

heh

[19:08:06]

a1fa:

:) thank god mythtv doesnt have to honor auto-delte flag

[19:08:09]

a1fa:

delete*

[19:08:13]

a1fa:

because that just bullshit

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a1fa:

screw DRM

[19:08:29]

a1fa:

if you can watch it live, you can tape it

[19:08:33]

a1fa:

i don't give a p00p!

[19:08:33]

dustybin:

oh yes

[19:08:47]

cesman:

it will auto delete if you are low on space and tell it to ;)

[19:08:51]

a1fa:

and yes mr. commerical.. f*** you too :P

[19:08:51]

dustybin:

what is the quickest possible way to boot a frontend, a 7200rpm hard drive?

[19:09:08]

ajh:

network.

[19:09:24]

** clever checks log **

[19:09:26]

ajh:

Or SSD.

[19:09:26]

cesman:

size 11 steel toe...

[19:09:33]

** dustybin remembers SKY takes quite a while to get the channel information **

[19:09:47]

dustybin:

surely a 7200rpm hard drive is quicker than a netboot?

[19:10:01]

dustybin:

because at the end of the netboot is another hard disk?

[19:10:01]

clever:

dustybin: one of my nfsroot systems is getting 100 seconds from kernel->rc.local

[19:10:21]

clever:

dustybin: but there can be a ram cache in the loop which isnt booting(and empty)

[19:10:28]

ajh:

You could also get one of the battery backed ram cards.

[19:10:30]

dustybin:

hmm

[19:10:39]

a1fa:

hm

[19:10:43]

dustybin:

i think solid state hd would be the fastest

[19:10:43]

a1fa:

fast SSD may be worth money

[19:10:46]

a1fa:

if you want speed

[19:10:56]

ajh:

No, a ram card is much faster.

[19:10:58]

clever:

ajh: ive seen one which takes plain DIMM memory cards and acts like a 2gig sata drive

[19:11:13]

floppyears:

dustybin: she can also watch the shows using the flash player in mythweb

[19:11:17]

dustybin:

expensive?

[19:11:26]

dustybin:

aye nice

[19:11:50]

justinh:

dustybin: my 800 smeggahurts athlon coped just fine with 3 frontends at LRL07

[19:12:02]

dustybin:

bloody heck

[19:12:21]

justinh:

playing 2 recordings & watching live

[19:12:25]

dustybin:

nice

[19:12:36]

clever:

ajh: http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler/Page3.aspx

[19:12:43]

clever:

ajh: the 'i-ram' cards

[19:12:47]

justinh:

nobody's done any real-world testng of the scalability yet

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[19:13:58]

iamlindoro:

That sounds like Clever's calling

[19:14:11]

iamlindoro:

He's got 37 bare 486 boards on his kitchen table

[19:14:11]

justinh:

be interesting to know what the limit really is in practical terms for a given backend spec

[19:14:11]

directhex:

the i-ram is a bit meh in benchmarks

[19:14:18]

dustybin:

clever: how many things does your brain think of at once?

[19:14:26]

iamlindoro:

run off of car batteries

[19:14:29]

clever:

dustybin: too many to count some days:P

[19:14:34]

dustybin:

:P

[19:14:58]

** justinh fires off another make -j2 **

[19:17:00]

floppyears:

so I'm still having problems with dvd playback & mythtv

[19:17:08]

justinh:

uhoh

[19:17:14]

floppyears:

My system is an athlon 64 with 3.0Ghz

[19:17:18]

justinh:

building plugins is failing

[19:17:23]

floppyears:

with 1gb of ram

[19:17:25]

clever:

i took my dvd drive out to get another hdd

[19:17:28]

floppyears:

is that enough to play dvds ?

[19:17:40]

clever:

ive played dvd's on much less cpu power

[19:18:18]

justinh:

mythbrowser.cpp:5:21: error: QWebFrame: No such file or directory :-/

[19:18:46]

clever:

justinh: sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev

[19:18:53]

justinh:

duh

[19:19:13]

justinh:

got that already. mythtv trunk already installed ;)

[19:19:15]

GreyFoxx:

I think the detection of qt 4.4.1 is broken or something

[19:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

cause it should disable mythbrowser if you are using 4.3

[19:19:46]

GreyFoxx:

I just didn't notice becuase I've always disabled it out of habit in my configure lines

[19:19:54]

justinh:

I could ordinarily live without mythbrowser but I need it so I can dick around with themes

[19:19:57]

clever:

GreyFoxx: svn: Failed to add directory 'mythplugins/mythbrowser': object of the same name already exists

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justinh:

think I needed libqtwebkit-dev

[19:22:50]

clever:

could be in a diff package on your distro

[19:22:58]

clever:

libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/QtWebKit/QWebFrame

[19:23:04]

clever:

ubuntu 8.04 puts that header in libqt4-dev

[19:24:12]

GreyFoxx:

clev: Then delete it from your mythplugins dir

[19:24:19]

GreyFoxx:

you likely have leftovers from before it was removed

[19:24:21]

justinh:

hrm different error now.

[19:24:28]

GreyFoxx:

that's what I had to do

[19:24:51]

clever:

GreyFoxx: allready did, but i thought id mention it

[19:24:51]

justinh:

though I think make should be aborting rather than trying to continue

[19:25:02]

clever:

ahh svn update deleted stuff(but not dir) and couldnt readd the dir later

[19:25:08]

clever:

makes more sense now

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clever:

justinh: make -j 5 will 'continue' the allready running jobs when one errors and stop when it can

[19:26:01]

clever:

which is why i have 'make -j 5 || make' in my scripts

[19:27:44]

justinh:

heh

[19:27:58]

justinh:

well looks like no qt4.4, no mythbrowser

[19:27:59]

clever:

when it fails, it runs a 2nd pass that will halt at the exact error

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justinh:

I'll live ;)

[19:29:11]

justinh:

and so much for stuff being better on linux.. wireless no worky in the garden

[19:29:24]

clever:

turning myself into a humman channel changer is hard work

[19:29:56]

justinh:

remote control.. 1970s house style

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clever:

the ir blaster is still broken

[19:30:10]

justinh:

"son! change the channel!"

[19:30:24]

clever:

so the pc beeps and sends me a jpg of the tuner(webcam) and asks 'is this what i want?'

[19:31:37]

iamlindoro:

Well there's a solution in search of a problem if ever I saw one

[19:31:59]

clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/channel.jpg

[19:32:21]

clever:

yes it doesnt work if im asleep, so i just pick a channel and cancle all other recordings

[19:33:08]

iamlindoro:

I was going to wonder what happened if you were out of the house, but then I thought, "Clever, out of the house?" and chuckled gently.

[19:33:30]

clever:

:P

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Shadow__X:

sunlight

[19:34:05]

Shadow__X:

what is this foreign idea

[19:34:10]

dustybin:

clever: are there any known exploits for tge gallery software your using?

[19:34:13]

dustybin:

the

[19:34:22]

my2keh:

is the content in .xsession-errors typically the same as mythfrontend -v playback?

[19:34:26]

clever:

dustybin: none that i know of:P

[19:34:45]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Why don't you just ask him for the key to his front door instead?

[19:34:50]

clever:

dustybin: and i dont think you even saw it yet, i linked to the image without going thru the code

[19:34:59]

iamlindoro:

You social engineer, you

[19:36:21]

dustybin:

im trying to wise him up

[19:36:46]

dustybin:

if i was running a world accessable website, the code needs to be 100% secure

[19:36:53]

dustybin:

one bit of dodgy code = comprimise

[19:37:26]

justinh:

nothing is 100% secure

[19:37:33]

iamlindoro:

You wise HIM up? You live with your sister and have some of the most whacked out ideas I've ever heard. be quiet and LISTEN.

[19:37:34]

clever:

i havent reviewed the code myself but i got it from another world accessable site

[19:37:39]

wagnerrp:

or you could just not worry about it, because the biggest threat he faces is some script kiddy he might happen to piss off on IRC

[19:37:55]

Shadow__X:

:)

[19:38:13]

clever:

wagnerrp: the last big threat i pissed off, called my isp and claimed i was spreading virus's

[19:38:21]

clever:

and that was years ago

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Shadow__X:

heh

[19:38:33]

clever:

my dsl account was disabled:P

[19:38:48]

justinh:

clever, pissing people off?

[19:38:56]

directhex:

last time someone played silly buggers at me, i tracked down the hacker group he was trying to join & told them not to bother with him

[19:39:10]

clever:

lol

[19:39:17]

dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

heh. mythtv-setup no worky. no msttcorefonts.

[19:46:11]

justinh:

there we go now

[19:46:41]

justinh:

!trout silly-hippy-OS

[19:46:41]

** MythLogBot slaps silly-hippy-OS with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[19:48:02]

iamlindoro:

Oh don't be silly, an OS that gives you FFMpeg that can convert any format you want, so long as is Vorbis or FLAC can't be all bad!

[19:48:16]

justinh:

rofl

[19:52:16]

Shadow__X:

but if you want to be a slacker where else would you turn to

[19:52:48]

justinh:

arghhh ffs

[19:52:58]

directhex:

the msttcorefonts were put on the internets my microsoft under very specific licensing rules. those include only distributing the EXACT same winzip self-extractors with the EXACT same filenames

[19:53:24]

justinh:

didn't use a --prefix & now the binaries are in /usr/bin but themes are at /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

[19:57:51]

my2keh:

THE TROUT heh

[19:58:09]

justinh:

wow. on a fast machine the gl painter is actually not bad

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GreyFoxx:

heh the hdfury2 is coming out

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GreyFoxx:

should make some suits unhappy :)

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iamlindoro:

and it's soft-upgradeable (read: turn off any HDCP key you want, fuckers)

[20:00:20]

GreyFoxx:

hahaha nice

[20:00:30]

GreyFoxx:

now that is worth buying :)

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Shadow__X:

cant wait

[20:05:05]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: you cant wait to have to purchase something like that for the sole purpose of circumventing some lockout to prevent you from using media you paid for the right to watch?

[20:05:09]

iamlindoro:

It would be especially nice if they have downloadable profiles for HDCP (ie, "behave like a Sony Plasma," etc)

[20:05:31]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i live in us

[20:05:33]

iamlindoro:

rather than just randomized keys (which is still fine I guess)

[20:05:35]

Shadow__X:

:(

[20:05:48]

Shadow__X:

what other options are there

[20:05:55]

wagnerrp:

so do i, and i would be perfectly happy if i never have to use such a thing

[20:06:04]

Shadow__X:

i would be as well

[20:06:15]

Shadow__X:

but there arent many options left

[20:06:15]

wagnerrp:

they have not yet passed legislation allowing them to shut down the analog outputs

[20:06:38]

Shadow__X:

not yet but what if htey do and they force those guys out of business

[20:06:44]

Shadow__X:

its not like that is unheard of

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GreyFoxx:

Legislation or not, it's happenning in places

[20:08:02]

Shadow__X:

exactly my point

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Atom-Athl . . . nt,1997.html

[20:11:05]

GreyFoxx:

That will be the next "Can this be a frontend" thread on -users :)

[20:11:22]

GreyFoxx:

It looks pretty sweet, low power, small, silent

[20:11:36]

jams:

GreyFoxx- you should start the thread

[20:11:41]

GreyFoxx:

and if we can get hardware decoding it could be very interesting

[20:11:48]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[20:12:28]

GreyFoxx:

it's northbridge uses 0.95 watts compared to the atom's 22watts :)

[20:12:32]

jams:

bout freaking time this thing compiles, now to make it work as

[20:14:47]

iamlindoro:

I will punch the next person who asks about $SomeBox as a frontend possibility. a) If it's a real normal PC but it's small, of-freakin'-course it can be a frontend. If it's b) some embedded garbage, you are a fucking moron who should be beaten with a claw hammer.

[20:15:04]

directhex:

bug a mac mini sucks! it's small and weak!

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directhex:

now, a big atx system with, i dunno, a 2.12ghz core2 duo/ THAT's a real box

[20:16:41]

iamlindoro:

Ah, the old square-footage-of-box-as-factor-of-power metric

[20:18:23]

directhex:

of course

[20:18:32]

directhex:

all the cool kids put matx boards in full atx towers

[20:19:18]

iamlindoro:

You joke, but the Fry's Case aisle supports that theory

[20:19:19]

wagnerrp:

all the cool kids paint their nails black and scoop their eyes out

[20:19:24]

iamlindoro:

I'm looking at YOU, Alienware

[20:19:54]

iamlindoro:

My case does not need to look like an MC Escher painting, either

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clever:

my x86 case's are rat nests of wiring and parts:P

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iamlindoro:

We KNOW

[20:20:34]

clever:

but the sun ultra 25 sitting beside my couch is a beuty to look at:P

[20:20:36]

iamlindoro:

and someday the berating will make you change that

[20:20:52]

iamlindoro:

Man, if I was your dad I would beat the snot out of you

[20:20:59]

iamlindoro:

Just for good measure

[20:21:07]

iamlindoro:

Beat some "get the fuck outside" into you

[20:21:39]

iamlindoro:

And enroll you in little league

[20:21:54]

iamlindoro:

I don't care if you're 17, you'd go to the pee wee league until you shaped up

[20:22:06]

clever:

im past 17:P

[20:22:10]

iamlindoro:

even worse

[20:22:21]

iamlindoro:

That many more years beatings to catch up on

[20:23:05]

iamlindoro:

He must be as bad as you to allow you to put a SUN next to his couch

[20:23:14]

iamlindoro:

And yet he procreated

[20:23:24]

iamlindoro:

Pardon me while I rock gently and try to figure this out

[20:23:31]

clever:

he put the sun station by the couch:P

[20:23:42]

clever:

its a spare from his work

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iamlindoro:

WAit

[20:23:47]

iamlindoro:

I've got it

[20:23:49]

the_alien:

hi all

[20:23:58]

iamlindoro:

Do you have hazy memories of a man asking you to help him find his puppy?

[20:24:05]

my2keh:

lol

[20:24:21]

clever:

iamlindoro: no but i have pictures of me and my dad when i was a baby:P

[20:24:32]

the_alien:

want to watch recordings from my mythtv box through upnp on my xbox. can someone tell me how to set up the upnp server?

[20:24:34]

iamlindoro:

Sick bastard stole you from a nursery??? For shame.

[20:25:27]

directhex:

the_alien, 1) it's already set up 2) the xbox 360 will not play mpeg2 over a network

[20:25:35]

iamlindoro:

the_alien: There's not setup to be done, it's on and running by default... But as the 360 won't play MPEG-2 via uPnP and won't handle NUV containers of the other formats, you're outta luck, methinks

[20:25:46]

the_alien:

directhex, its one of the old xboxes ;)

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** iamlindoro high fives directhex **

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directhex:

the_alien, then why use upnp and not xbmc's native myth support?

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the_alien:

directhex, native support?

[20:26:57]

directhex:

native support. as in "supported natively"

[20:27:05]

iamlindoro:

Yes, 5% of all proceeds from xbmc go to indigenous peoples

[20:27:24]

directhex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . thTV_Support

[20:27:56]

the_alien:

thanks for the link

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the_alien:

*reading*

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wagnerrp:

too bad those dumb bastards dont know XBMC is free

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jams:

directhex- finished up bionic commando rearmed?

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** iamlindoro has! **

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iamlindoro:

Yay Super Joe! Although the retconning setting up the sequel I could have done without

[20:29:44]

directhex:

jams, haven't played it. nor braid.

[20:29:51]

the_alien:

wagnerrp, dumb bastards?

[20:29:55]

jams:

yeah still fun though.

[20:29:58]

wagnerrp:

its taking me a while to get around the fact that there is no jump

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directhex:

jams, my network switch going kaput does not help.

[20:30:03]

iamlindoro:

Braid looks good, I think I'll look at that next

[20:30:09]

jams:

i see

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directhex:

mostly i am playing on the (gasp) ps3

[20:30:20]

wagnerrp:

the_alien: the indigenous peoples, XBMC is free, so there are no proceeds to be had

[20:30:49]

jams:

iamlindoro- either my skills have faded or some of the swings got a bit more difficult.

[20:31:01]

iamlindoro:

jams: I was having the same thoughts :)

[20:31:06]

iamlindoro:

probbly a bit of both on my part

[20:31:33]

jams:

using the ps3 or PC ?

[20:31:34]

iamlindoro:

I remember how long it took me to beat as a kid and was shocked at how quick I got through it this time, though

[20:31:37]

iamlindoro:

360

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jams:

PS3 here

[20:32:11]

iamlindoro:

I've got all 3 but it was an impulse purchase and I rewired the downstairs this weekend so the PS3 was unconnected

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directhex:

right, time for more ratchet & clank

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jams:

that one was also fun

[20:33:42]

directhex:

i am trying to shootinate a very large boss

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iamlindoro:

Few months 'til anything else that looks good is coming

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iamlindoro:

Fable II and Fallout 3 are probably the only things on my radar

[20:34:05]

directhex:

silly iamlindoro

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directhex:

gears of war 2, viva pinata 2!

[20:34:24]

iamlindoro:

former is a maybe, latter I never played the 2st

[20:34:26]

iamlindoro:

er 1st

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directhex:

you should. it's very good

[20:34:58]

iamlindoro:

Really? Hmm. Didn't look like my thing. Braid looks fun, though

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jams:

iamlindoro- did you spend alot of time "hacking the network"

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jams:

i found it almost pointless and didn't bother

[20:37:14]

iamlindoro:

jams: I did all of them, but I wouldn't say I spent much time doing so-- Bioshock hacking was harder

[20:37:25]

iamlindoro:

at least there was an "oh shit" element to those

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the_alien:

native support... it could have saved me that much time, thanks, directhex :D

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the_alien:

ok maybe i was wrong... now xbmc crashed

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wagnerrp:

ratchet and clank had a bit of the 'oh shit' element

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wagnerrp:

at least on the second run through

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my2keh:

Is this a pretty typical error: Video is 4.35168 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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my2keh:

?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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my2keh:

something that should be fixed?

[20:52:12]

my2keh:

or investigated type thing?

[20:52:14]

iamlindoro:

Nope

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my2keh:

similarly: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! ?

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iamlindoro:

are you running with -v playback?

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iamlindoro:

depending on how much of that there is, it can be fine AFAIK

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my2keh:

yes...trying to diagnos some audio/video issues

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the_alien:

directhex?

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the_alien:

still there?

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justinh:

ahahahaha. wireless is poo

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justinh:

can't play a 720p mpeg2 & I'm in the same room as the router

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justinh:

anywaz, the main thing is I can now start porting xml files in earnest :)

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iamlindoro:

Don't ask to ask, just ask!

[21:43:46]

jent:

i have an HD TV and already have a 2.8Ghz Celeron server with centOS 5.0 and no X server installed, and was curious if this machine could be adapted to work as my mythTV machine while still being able to continue to run as my file/svn/irc/web/etc server

[21:44:10]

iamlindoro:

As a backend, yes, it can be done. As a frontend, no, you need X

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jent:

what if i installed X?

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Dagmar:

It would be better to flush the thing and install a more modern distribution

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Dagmar:

Much. Less. Time.

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jent:

ya, that is what i was wondering

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tjcarter:

no Qt Embedded? =D

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tjcarter:

framebuffer man!

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iamlindoro:

That would be wiser. Also, if the Celery is Single core, it may be too slow for any HD, even crap US broadcast

[21:46:00]

jent:

good to know

[21:46:24]

jent:

thanks all, you answered my questions

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jent:

bai

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justinh:

sometimes the urge to ignore a whole domain is overwhelming

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kormoc:

I like ignoring *

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justinh:

damn svn server asking for my password 3 times in a row again

[21:49:31]

justinh:

funny but it never does for checkins

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justinh:

only once when I check stuff in

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kormoc:

justinh, you should just use svn+ssh and a ssh key

[21:51:16]

justinh:

I do use svn+ssh

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justinh:

don't know about the ssh key though

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kormoc:

it's slick

[21:52:06]

kormoc:

http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/

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clever:

i just use puttygen to make a key pair

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a1fa:

later

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justinh:

ahhh so I'd make a key, plop that on my boxes at home, then put that somewhere on the svn server?

[21:55:12]

justinh:

duh so simple

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slaine_:

hey guys, can anyone confirm in Mythbuntu 8.04.1 works with XvMC-VLD on VIA CLE266 based hardware ?

[21:55:53]

kormoc:

justinh, aye, you put the public key in your accepted keys file on the server and keep your private key safe (and/or encrypted with a password) and yeah, that's it. Snazzy simple and awesome

[21:56:11]

slaine_:

I'm currently setting up a long dead box with mythbuntu and seem to be running into some heavy perfomrance

[21:56:15]

justinh:

slaine_: probably, but I've been there & it was a world of frustration

[21:56:29]

justinh:

I sold it & got a real frontend

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slaine_:

lol

[21:56:58]

slaine_:

well, i'm working with what I have

[21:57:15]

slaine_:

Stargate Atlantis is starting soon and I want my MythTV box back up and running

[21:57:30]

slaine_:

Previous incarnations had CPU usage at aroung 10%

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justinh:

it'll prolly be fine with pvr recordings

[21:58:10]

justinh:

it was always recordings from BBC channels with DVB-T it had problems with

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slaine_:

Well, I'm still stuck with Analog and a trusty PVR-500

[21:58:45]

justinh:

slaine_: you might have to play with video playback profiles to make it do your bidding

[21:59:05]

slaine_:

I have done and it's gone down from 69% to about 33%

[21:59:31]

slaine_:

I'm seeing errors in the logs but from a google about, it seems those errors are nothing to worry about

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justinh:

33% isn't bad

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justinh:

on what like a pretendy 1ghz cpu ;)

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slaine_:

No its not bad

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justinh:

but it's not 10% I know

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slaine_:

yup :)

[22:00:12]

justinh:

remember the deinterlacers have been pimped though

[22:00:19]

slaine_:

really

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slaine_:

still a big jump though

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justinh:

check you're still using the same deinterlacer as before

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slaine_:

also, I thought it did Bob in hardware

[22:01:07]

justinh:

if not, call it the price of progress, then plan to get a proper frontend

[22:01:33]

the_alien:

is there a way to synchronize mythtv databse and the filesystem again? had deleted a lots of recordings because the hd was full and now there are this deleted files listed in mythtv... how can i remoce them from the database?

[22:01:52]

justinh:

the_alien: delete them the proper way in the first place!

[22:02:27]

slaine_:

wouldn't mind some nice new hardware but I think that'll be a nice new TV rather than a new mini-itx board

[22:02:27]

the_alien:

yeah, but mysql wont even start up, so there was no proper way

[22:02:37]

jams:

the_alien- there are some scripts in the contrib dir that should help you out

[22:02:39]

at0m|c:

delete from mythtv, set up expirations

[22:03:04]

justinh:

mysql doesn't like running out of disk space

[22:03:15]

the_alien:

yeah, noticed it justinh

[22:03:30]

justinh:

you'll be lucky if your database is even usable now

[22:03:42]

the_alien:

jams, where is the contrib dir? don't slap the newbe :D

[22:03:50]

justinh:

happened to me once. good thing I had a backup. only lost one recording

[22:03:55]

the_alien:

justinh, my database is fully working

[22:04:06]

wagnerrp:

contrib is in the tar file

[22:04:11]

the_alien:

just the deleted files are still present

[22:04:15]

justinh:

the_alien: mythtv_find_orphans.pl or something like that

[22:04:27]

justinh:

use with extreme care!

[22:04:31]

justinh:

use with extreme care!

[22:04:40]

at0m|c:

the_alien, the recording partition was full? or the mythconverg partition?

[22:05:50]

jams:

the_alien- depends on the packager, but you can always browse mythtv.org to download the src. http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thtv/contrib

[22:05:59]

the_alien:

ahem... there is just one partition, at0m|c

[22:06:02]

jams:

assuming your using .21 release-fixes

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at0m|c:

ew

[22:06:31]

the_alien:

jams, i'm using what ubuntu's apt gave me

[22:07:01]

the_alien:

at0m|c, i know its not the good way, but i'm not that familiar with linux itself :/

[22:07:39]

wagnerrp:

you might want to check if it got dumped into /usr/share/mythtv

[22:07:46]

wagnerrp:

maybe /usr/local/share/mythtv

[22:08:06]

slaine_:

justinh, what hardware you using now from the FE ?

[22:08:16]

jams:

the_alien- i don't know anything about ubuntu.

[22:08:31]

the_alien:

wagnerrp, what should have been dumped there?

[22:08:45]

the_alien:

jams, how can i check which version is installed?

[22:09:02]

wagnerrp:

apt may have dumped the contents of contrib there

[22:09:12]

the_alien:

ah thx, will have a look

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justinh:

nuts. server still asking for my password

[22:13:06]

the_alien:

wagnerrp, nope isn't there... how can i check which version is installed?

[22:13:06]

justinh:

slaine_: core2 duo mobile, t5600

[22:13:19]

slaine_:

hmmm, nice

[22:13:20]

justinh:

aopen i945gmm-hl board

[22:13:27]

justinh:

2nd hand off ebay

[22:13:32]

justinh:

board was new

[22:13:44]

justinh:

came to about the same as what the via thing cost

[22:14:09]

the_alien:

ahhh there 0.20.20080921 seems to be a bit outdated?

[22:14:21]

slaine_:

hmmm, just looking at the load, mythfrontend is classed as 90%+

[22:14:38]

wagnerrp:

that looks more to be future-dated

[22:14:49]

slaine_:

30% user space and 68.5% system

[22:15:04]

wagnerrp:

did you maybe mean 2006

[22:15:19]

the_alien:

2007

[22:15:25]

the_alien:

typo :)

[22:16:25]

the_alien:

is it the 0.2 download on mythtv.org?

[22:16:31]

justinh:

no

[22:16:37]

justinh:

and anyway it's 0.21

[22:16:40]

justinh:

there was 0.2

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justinh:

er.. NO 0.2

[22:17:24]

the_alien:

sorry cant follow ...

[22:17:32]

the_alien:

the 2.1 isn't installed

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wagnerrp:

there never was a version 0.2

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wagnerrp:

there was a version 0.20, but thats old

[22:17:47]

wagnerrp:

you should not be using 0.20

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the_alien:

it's what apt gave me

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justinh:

0.21 ftw!

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iamlindoro:

in what, Ubuntu 6.04?

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at0m|c:

0.21.20080304–1 here

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wagnerrp:

well then get on #ubuntu and figure out why apt gave you an old version

[22:18:25]

at0m|c:

debian testing

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the_alien:

iamlindoro, 7.10

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wagnerrp:

or debian, whatever youre using

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iamlindoro:

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade time!

[22:19:15]

justinh:

does anybody seriously use the 'official' tarballs anyway?

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justinh:

damnit I need some dns at home

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justinh:

sick of editing hosts files now

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Dagmar:

So set up bind already

[22:20:37]

justinh:

yeah yeah I will eventually

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the_alien:

"all in" ... updating ubuntu to 8.04

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the_alien:

will see if mythtv is still working when this is done

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dustybin:

i cannot find a decent sized frontend box anywhere

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dustybin:

grrrrr

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dustybin:

looks like im going to have to buy a micro-atx mobo

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dustybin:

why havent lian-li released the lian li pc-c36 or lian li pc-c37 yet?!

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ajh:

Have you looked at the Dell Hybrid?

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dustybin:

whats that?

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ajh:

$400 box that looks like it would make a decent front-end.

[22:47:50]

dustybin:

hmm

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ajh:

Wonder if using vmware on vista with linux in it with the 3d support would work for graphics support. :)

[22:48:07]

dustybin:

HTPC boxes cost the same as a ready built pc

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ajh:

If these just had nvidia graphics they'd be kick-ass.

[22:49:25]

dustybin:

those dell hybrids have good specs

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dustybin:

what graphics do they use? intel?

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ajh:

Yes, just need Intel to step up and get the drivers done.

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the_alien_:

frontend for watching live tv?

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ajh:

3100

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ajh:

The very low power consumption is a nice feature too.

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dustybin:

65W

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ajh:

and likely good ACPI support given it's their laptop chipset.

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AndyCap:

and in fake wood finish

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ajh:

I need to think about these things if going off-grid is going to be possible.

[22:51:37]

ajh:

That's not fake wood.

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dustybin:

Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100

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ajh:

It's real bamboo.

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AndyCap:

ajh: ooh.

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dustybin:

does that have good linux support?

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ajh:

it can be made to work, the distros aren't really smooth on it yet from what I've read.

[22:52:26]

ajh:

but a good alternative to the mac mini with hdmi

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AndyCap:

dustybin: I've heard some people have problems with it when you have more than 4GB ram, and assorted other bugs

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cesman:

works well w/ the latest KnoppMyth

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ajh:

You need more than 4gb in a froneend?

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AndyCap:

ajh: nah, but it's so cheap these days so I wouldn't be surprised if someone put that much in

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dustybin:

cannot find any shops selling those dells

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iamlindoro:

So buy from Dell

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iamlindoro:

Borrow you sister's credit card

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dustybin:

even though those dell boxes look good, the name dell puts me off

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iamlindoro:

Pull off the acrylic sleeve and paint the inside black, slide it back on-- tadaaa, fancy black HTPC :)

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iamlindoro:

(use high gloss paint)

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro:

No, seriously

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dustybin:

o_0

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iamlindoro:

I'm considering one in a few weeks, I intend to

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dustybin:

really?

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dustybin:

why dont you buy a black one?

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iamlindoro:

The outside portion appears to be a clear acrylic sleeve that slides off, the logo is underneath that. You could make it look quite nice (similar to the mods on the own Mac Cubes)

[22:59:13]

iamlindoro:

I thought the idea was to eliminate the logo-- this would give it a nice, sleek look

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dustybin:

Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 <--- would this work with SDTV?

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cesman:

yes

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iamlindoro:

of course, why wouldn't it?

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dustybin:

ive never heard of that chip

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dustybin:

well, thats the ultimate frontend box then

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iamlindoro:

It's a GMA965

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dustybin:

?!

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dustybin:

its a x3100 ?

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iamlindoro:

which is GMA965

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iamlindoro:

which you may be more familiar with

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dustybin:

im sure justinh will find something wrong with it

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dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

65W of power is a big attraction

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SHADOW__X:

my mythbackend fe does 50 watts

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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dustybin:

but those dell boxes are HD ready

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SHADOW__X:

without a mobile processor

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SHADOW__X:

i have a geforce 6150 and a amd 2.3ghz dual core

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dustybin:

what is the maximum size c2d chip in those dell boxes?

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dustybin:

wow

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iamlindoro:

I don't believe for a second that that box does 50 watts

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iamlindoro:

maybe when the switch is *off*

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SHADOW__X:

45 watt processor

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mzb_d800:

they're quite sexy little things ... I'd prob. get WAF+ out of one of those ... once I recovered from the $pend ;)

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dustybin:

there is even a hdmi slot on that dell box

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iamlindoro:

Oh yeah? What are you powering the hard drive with? Pleasant thoughts?

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SHADOW__X:

hamster

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sid3windr:

who needs a harddrive? :)

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dustybin:

there is digital audio on that dell box!!!

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iamlindoro:

45 watt processor + hard drive + GPU + etc. = 50 watts of BS

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SHADOW__X:

heh iamlindoro that was awhile ago

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SHADOW__X:

gpu integrated

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Turtle Beach USB works wonderfully

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dustybin:

what the hell is turtle beach

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SHADOW__X:

i will pull out my killlawatts metter and check after reboot

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: Sorry, I just don't buy that w/ a 45 watt processor you squeezed the rest of the power in 5. Nope.

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SHADOW__X:

at idle

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: One of the most well known Audio mnufacturers in the world?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: are you seriously going to buy that dell box? if you do i will

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Yes, I am serious. Probably a month or so, though

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SHADOW__X:

even at idle iamlindoro?

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the_alien__:

the hybrid costs $400? ... its 469€ in germany

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dustybin:

ace :-)

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dustybin:

thats £200 in UK

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dustybin:

cheap as chips

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the_alien__:

$400 would be less then 300€...

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iamlindoro:

It's $469 to start IIRC

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the_alien__:

ah

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dustybin:

maybe not

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dustybin:

Price From£399

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dustybin:

WTF

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the_alien__:

lol

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dustybin:

same price as a mac mini

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ajh:

Wish you could choose not to get a drive in it.

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ajh:

Those would be sweet network booted workstations too.

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the_alien__:

it's like apple ... everything costs the same, no matter what currency

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dustybin:

if linux hardware h.264 never comes to light, those boxes can only take a maximum 2.1 C2D

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iamlindoro:

I like the well-supportedness of it, and the HDMI port... dustybin, btw, there is digital out on the dell

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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dustybin:

i just chose the 2.1 C2D

[23:09:32]

dustybin:

Price From£529.00

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iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, thought you said it didn't have it, didn't realize you said it did, my bad

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SHADOW__X:

it can have a 2.6 on the stuido hybrid

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dustybin:

hmm, another expensive box, id rather wait for apple to release the next phase of mac minis

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dustybin:

at least i dont mind the apple logo showing

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ajh:

So mac minis have hdmi coming?

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dustybin:

maybe the next phase of apple tv

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dustybin:

who knows

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dustybin:

would be great if apple tv comes up to spec for a HD frontend

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iamlindoro:

I don't see it changing soon

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iamlindoro:

why would it? It already plays what they seel you, and that's all it's concerned with

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iamlindoro:

er sell

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dustybin:

hm

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dustybin:

for£599, id rather build my own frontend using the lian li PC-C36 case

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dustybin:

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . x=64&g=q

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dustybin:

http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/C36/c36db01.jpg <-- that beats the looks of the hybrid and mac mini IMO

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iamlindoro:

*sigh* I thought we had almost taught you style there for a second

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iamlindoro:

That looks like my old Beta VCR

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro:

I mean, it's not a *bad* looking HTPC case

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iamlindoro:

it's just that HTPC cases are so awful in general

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dustybin:

indeed

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dustybin:

and EXPENSIVE

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dustybin:

that case will cost £100+

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dustybin:

the same price as a ready built PC

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Egghead2:

while watching tv, is there a way to have myth send more then just the channel numbers to the channel change script? i want to send chnl up and chnl down keys too

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kormoc:

ready built pc? for $100? where?

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dustybin:

kormoc: maybe a older model, there are thousands on ebay

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kormoc:

thousands of crappy ones perhaps

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dustybin:

kormoc: good enough for SDTV for us folk in the UK!

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Egghead2:

kormoc, build on at newegg, under 200 bucks :)

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kormoc:

Egghead2, he said ready made, that's the part I didn't believe :P

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Egghead2:

lol, my bad

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Egghead2:

ready made and myth , hmmmmmmm :)

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dustybin:

it is a BIG MISSION trying to find something what is cheap, up to spec and looks half decent for a frontend, A BIG MISSION!!

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dustybin:

enough to send you mad

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kormoc:

dustybin, you know the saying, when you have three wants, you only get to pick two

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dustybin:

aye

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Egghead2:

how true

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slaine_:

how does one handle channels that have 2 different channels depending on time of day ?

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slaine_:

eg nickelodean during the day, paramount comedy in the evenings

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dustybin:

what is the difference between a desktop case and a HTPC price, nothing apart from the price tag!!!!

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dustybin:

case

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iamlindoro:

Form factor, subtlety, that's about it

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iamlindoro:

and most HTPC cases suck at the "subtle" bit

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dustybin:

form factor? they are all BIG?

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dustybin:

especially the ones what take ATX full size

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iamlindoro:

They are all horizontal in roughly the same dimensions as a large AV receiver

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dustybin:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

base price for the hybrid in .au is $999

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mzb_d800:

not so good

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iamlindoro:

oof

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dustybin:

£40

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dustybin:

http://www.it247.com/Product/633-91.96320.A1K . . . TowerPCCases

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dustybin:

that looks the same as a HTPC case

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dustybin:

and it comes with a nice 200W PSU

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dustybin:

perfect frontend power

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iamlindoro:

Still pretty obviously a computer... anyway, get what you want, nobody is forcing you to buy their aesthetic

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dustybin:

if that had 'HTPC' in the name, it would be £100 more

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dustybin:

Dimensions (WxDxH): 32.4 cm x 39.9 cm x 9.5 cm

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chasep:

is it possible to watch a recording and have PIP showing live TV?

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dustybin:

not bad

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iamlindoro:

home!

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chasep:

ive only been able to do it while watching live tv, and having PIP for my other live input

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ajh:

can hdmi do touch screens?

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slaine_:

ok, think I'm up and running

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slaine_:

hdmi == dvi+audio

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slaine_:

touchscreen == usb / serial

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ajh:

So there's no bi-directionality in it at all?

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slaine_:

there is for HDCP

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leprechau:

brb...

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slaine_:

anyway, time for bed, I've to get up in 4 hours :(

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mm_202:

Hey guys, Im a complete noob to mythtv. I want to setup a few mythtv boxes around my house and I have a central server with about 1TB of music/movies (plus mysql), how difficult would it be to set that up?

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mm_202:

I see the 'Directory to hold music:' option, but am worried that it might overwrite all my music :S

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mm_202:

Can anyone verify that it wont overwrite my music?

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ajh:

You could just set permissions so it can't if you're worried. :)

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mm_202:

heh, well it says that mythbuntu must have write permissions..

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ajh:

to the directory

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mm_202:

ajh: is there a place where I can get the mysql install script? I want to setup the database on my server, but I dont want x-utils and all that crap installed (that mythtv-backend tries to install)

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ajh:

No idea.

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kormoc:

you could just say, read the docs

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mm_202:

lol

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mm_202:

Yeah, I could... and I have been, just didnt find what i was looking for.

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mm_202:

But okay, thanks guys.

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dustybin:

how odd is this: http://www.gobolinux.org/

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dustybin:

wow doesnt amiga os 4.1 look pretty: http://amigaweb.net/images/MorphOS_Screenshot_001_Large.jpg

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kormoc:

looks like X

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