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| [00:00:09] | nordle: | HAHA, I have TV.....but not via MythTV. iamlindoro, mplayer is playing channels fine from channels.conf |
| [00:00:13] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye: Raid 6, it's actually ten drives, but I already had one of them |
| [00:00:33] | iamlindoro: | nordle: interesting-- did you import the channels into myth with the channels.conf, or did you do a scan? |
| [00:00:40] | nordle: | both |
| [00:00:53] | iamlindoro: | ok-- importing the channels.conf is likely not to work, but myth's scan ought to work fine |
| [00:00:56] | iamlindoro: | interesting |
| [00:01:02] | iamlindoro: | is it a different transmitter, or the same? |
| [00:01:17] | RyeBrye: | So the HD-PVR always outputs to a single thread – and it is played back from that thread? |
| [00:01:18] | nordle: | I'm guessing there is some residual crap in the database, different transmitter |
| [00:01:42] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye: It outputs single-sliced h.264, which in current linux decoding libraries can only be single threaded on playback-- but that will change very soon |
| [00:01:49] | clever: | nordle: ive totaly redone the config for my pvr150 before(without deleting it) and it refused to work |
| [00:01:50] | RyeBrye: | Oh, gotcha |
| [00:02:05] | clever: | nordle: i moved it to a diff pc and started from adding the card, and it worked instantly |
| [00:02:18] | iamlindoro: | nordle: There's also a chance that the new transmitter is giving out information that will confuse myth-- might be worth going to one of the DVB guru devs and having them look at the DB section for your DVB channels |
| [00:02:24] | nordle: | clever: damnit, not what I wanted to hear :) |
| [00:02:30] | clever: | it was either crap that didnt get lost till i readd the card or the driver |
| [00:02:55] | clever: | you could try deleting all capture cards and readding it |
| [00:03:33] | PSU: | hi guys, i'm having a problem with my channels...i just did a manual fill database bec. we go a new channel added to our cable lineup...ufnrotunately, the table appears to be hosed now. what's the easiest way to drop the channel table and let mythfilldatabase rebuild? |
| [00:03:37] | nordle: | clever, iamlindoro, thanks, I'll try both those things. |
| [00:04:00] | nordle: | truncate table channel; |
| [00:04:26] | PSU: | nordle: is that safe to do? and then let it rebuild? |
| [00:04:35] | nordle: | doh!thats not the fastest, via mythtv-setup is what you want, delete channels there |
| [00:05:17] | nordle: | although I'm not having much luck with that at the moment, but yeah, it normally works fine |
| [00:05:34] | PSU: | nordle: but i think my table might be screwed up...channel 2 now appears to be 5, 3 – 6, etc from the schedule |
| [00:06:30] | nordle: | PSU: Use mythtv-setup, there is an option to delete all channels, and to also import new channels overwriting all current ones, so there are two options to totally start again from within the system. |
| [00:06:44] | PSU: | ok, will do. thanks bud! |
| [00:06:53] | nordle: | :) |
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| [00:20:57] | PSU: | nordle: i just tried what you suggested but my channel 2 shows up under 4, 3 as 5, etc. |
| [00:21:20] | PSU: | any other suggestions? |
| [00:23:12] | iamlindoro: | PSU: is it a matter of the listings being wrong, or that when you press "4" on the remote, channel 2 comes up? |
| [00:23:32] | PSU: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 62?page=last |
| [00:23:45] | PSU: | looks like this is a known problem |
| [00:23:50] | PSU: | iamlindoro: sec let me test |
| [00:25:02] | iamlindoro: | If it's a listings issue, then try mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do-channel-updates. If that doesn't work, then you can probably submit a ticket to SchedulesDirect so that they can send the info up to TMS. If it's a Channels being wrog problem, then I advise removing the listings source and recreating it from scratch in mythtv-setup |
| [00:25:03] | PSU: | iamlindoro: the channel comes up fine (i.e. i pressed 3 and nbc came up which is correct0 |
| [00:25:17] | iamlindoro: | try the mythfilldatabase line I gave you above, then check again |
| [00:25:21] | PSU: | ok let me try that |
| [00:25:23] | PSU: | thanks bud! |
| [00:25:25] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:25:38] | PSU: | might be a SD issue since comcast switched things around :/ |
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| [00:29:45] | clever: | yay |
| [00:29:50] | clever: | my cable is messed up again |
| [00:29:56] | clever: | problem at the channel source |
| [00:30:02] | clever: | NULL is up next:P |
| [00:33:25] | Gumby: | If I am trying to track down a bit of a stuttering problem while watching HD where would I start? I have a dual core e2180 o/c to 3.0GHz, nvidia 7150 graphics outputting 720p via HDMI. I'm not 100% sure of the resolution of the incoming stream or if it matters |
| [00:33:55] | iamlindoro: | Probably not at that spec-- frontend log will be the place to start... if that fails, the frontend with -v playback while playing the trouble video |
| [00:34:03] | iamlindoro: | most commonly it's a video driver issue |
| [00:34:14] | jamesd: | Gumby, are you using the commercial nvidia drivers? |
| [00:34:25] | Gumby: | Its mostly the audio that cuts out for 1/10th of a second and sometimes the video slows a bit |
| [00:34:28] | Gumby: | jamesd: yes I am |
| [00:34:45] | iamlindoro: | Gumby-- if you are using "use video as timebase," then it should be turned off-- that's what happens when you have it on |
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| [00:34:59] | Gumby: | hrm, I think I have it off but I'll check |
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| [00:37:10] | chainsawbike: | im trying to get latm-aac working (freeview nz) any places i should look? ideas? |
| [00:37:57] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5487 |
| [00:37:59] | iamlindoro: | There |
| [00:38:00] | Gumby: | iamlindoro: nope, I dont have "Use video as timebase" but I do have "Extra audio buffering" on |
| [00:38:31] | iamlindoro: | Gumby: That's *usually* ok but you can experiment |
| [00:39:14] | chainsawbike: | iamlindoro, thanks :) |
| [00:39:22] | iamlindoro: | chainsawbike: no prob |
| [00:39:28] | justinh: | whee another cheap night out racked up |
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| [00:40:33] | nordle: | You might want to also try removing any +/- vsync lines from your xorg.conf, totally ironed out my jerky playback, no visible tearing either. |
| [00:43:53] | Gumby: | the weird thing is, it happens more in commercials than on livetv. |
| [00:44:13] | justinh: | Gumby: higher bitrate, maybe |
| [00:44:26] | Gumby: | on commercials? on a HD channel? |
| [00:44:36] | justinh: | yep |
| [00:44:48] | Gumby: | hrm |
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| [00:50:53] | Gumby: | 2008-08–16 17:50:41.516 NVP: Video is 3.30049 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. |
| [00:52:52] | Gumby: | I see that over and over again when I enable -v playback |
| [00:53:53] | justinh: | jeps |
| [00:54:06] | justinh: | typical behaviour |
| [00:54:19] | Gumby: | is there a solution for this? |
| [00:54:28] | justinh: | maybe try different playback profiles & see what helps, if anything |
| [00:54:44] | Gumby: | better cpu? better video card? |
| [00:55:10] | iamlindoro: | Your CPU and video card should be more than adequate for any broadcast video |
| [00:55:51] | Gumby: | not sure that if its relevant or not, but this is satellite HD |
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| [00:58:33] | Gumby: | I change from "High Quality" to "Normal" and thats had no effect |
| [00:59:39] | roz: | I have a PVR-250 and I don't normally transcode to RTJpeg. All three Transcoding profiles (High, Medium, Low) are set to 170 for RTJpeg Quality. I am recording all of the NBC Olympic coverage off of Analog Cable and my idea here is to save space. What RTJpeg quality can I get away with? |
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| [01:01:32] | nordle: | Ahh, this is interesting. Card 0 has mythfill working, card 1 fails, see both: http://pastebin.ca/1175117 |
| [01:03:59] | Dagmar: | Mythfilldatabase doesn't have anything to do with tuner cards. |
| [01:04:05] | Dagmar: | It only does stuff with video sources. |
| [01:04:45] | nordle: | Is there not a video source per card though...? |
| [01:05:03] | clever: | depends on how you set it up |
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| [01:09:16] | nordle: | VideoSource table has one source. So using the switch --file 0 should not have worked, no? But it did, it was the --file 1 that did not. But looking at VideoSource, the sourceid is 1. |
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| [01:11:37] | nordle: | 2:10am...... neeed sleep, try again tomorrow. Wanted to get sorted as motogp and touring cars on at 12:30ish. |
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| [01:11:49] | nordle: | night all. |
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| [01:15:43] | clever: | PATH=/media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin:~/bin:"${PATH}" |
| [01:15:48] | clever: | oops |
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| [01:17:51] | roz: | anyone got an idea on my RTJpeg question from above |
| [01:18:22] | petre: | Is there a way to import AVI files into my myth backend server? |
| [01:18:57] | petre: | I like to download movies from publicdomaintorrents.com but I'd rather just put them on my myth box than burn them to DVD |
| [01:19:53] | Gumby: | petre: have you looked into how to setup the "video" folder in mythtv? |
| [01:20:32] | petre: | no, I haven't. Is that described in the docs on the mythtv website? |
| [01:20:38] | Dagmar: | Yes. You should read those. |
| [01:20:47] | roz: | or should I go to MPEG4? |
| [01:21:32] | Dagmar: | Try each and decide which you like better/worse. |
| [01:22:18] | roz: | I guess I am looking for a baseline of where to start and what filesize I might end up with |
| [01:22:35] | roz: | which has a better filesize to quality ratio? |
| [01:22:46] | Dagmar: | Neither. |
| [01:23:06] | roz: | why neither? |
| [01:23:11] | petre: | hmm, I don't see anything about "video folder" in the "Installing & using mythtv guide" |
| [01:23:18] | petre: | anyone got a link? |
| [01:23:50] | Dagmar: | wiki.mythtv.org |
| [01:25:08] | roz: | I dont really have time/space to eperiment with transcoders. |
| [01:25:24] | roz: | i have about 10 GB left. and that will be gone by tonight. |
| [01:25:36] | roz: | I need to take stuff down to about 1 GB / hr. |
| [01:29:55] | roz: | I know you can get a DVD down to 600 – 700 MB with MPEG4. That'd be wonderful if I could do that with my TV recordings right now. |
| [01:32:31] | bagpuss_thecat: | petre: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo might be more helpful |
| [01:33:07] | petre: | bagpuss_thecat: ah, just found that page; thanks, I was getting desparate. |
| [01:33:32] | bagpuss_thecat: | :-) |
| [01:33:39] | ** bagpuss_thecat heads to bed, good deed done for the day ** | |
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| [01:36:28] | wagnerrp: | you can get a DVD down to 600MB, but you usually shouldn't |
| [01:36:54] | clever: | i cna get my crap down to 200–300mb/hour |
| [01:36:59] | Gumby: | is there a way for me to view the resolution of a livetv stream? |
| [01:37:01] | clever: | but it looks worse then crap when its done:P |
| [01:37:12] | wagnerrp: | plus, DVD doesnt start as crap |
| [01:37:32] | roz: | how can I make transcode leave IN the commercials. By default it removes them |
| [01:37:35] | clever: | wagnerrp: mpeg2 1gig/hour has some mpeg blocks i can see |
| [01:38:03] | clever: | roz: by default it doesnt remove them, enless you changed something i dont know of, or you made a cutlist |
| [01:38:29] | roz: | clever: the cutlist is done automatically isn't it by the commercial flagging? |
| [01:38:51] | clever: | roz: the cutlist is seperate from the comm flagging |
| [01:39:03] | clever: | roz: in mythfrontend you can copy the flags INTO the cutlist, and fine tune it |
| [01:39:16] | roz: | Ok that makes sense |
| [01:39:36] | clever: | by default the cutlist is empty so nothing gets removed during transcoding |
| [01:39:48] | roz: | how can I find out the status of the transcoding ? |
| [01:39:51] | roz: | like percentage |
| [01:39:56] | wagnerrp: | clever: right now, i record somewhere better than 2GB/hr |
| [01:40:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont see mpeg artifacts unless im looking for them |
| [01:40:19] | clever: | wagnerrp: same thing, i doubled my bitrate since i can afford the space |
| [01:40:47] | clever: | wagnerrp: i cant see them anymore now that im 2gig/hour, but now the finer details like rf noise are visible:P |
| [01:41:01] | roz: | right now i am strapped for space (Olympics). I don't normally transcode from MPEG2 at all |
| [01:41:05] | clever: | roz: system status or the http page |
| [01:41:30] | wagnerrp: | but divx/xvid, at full D1, still has noticeable issues at the traditional 700MB/hr |
| [01:41:36] | wagnerrp: | err... 700MB/video |
| [01:41:39] | clever: | http://192.168.1.61:6544/ |
| [01:41:48] | wagnerrp: | so, like 400MB/hr |
| [01:41:56] | clever: | that url(change to one of your backend ip's) will show all job progress |
| [01:43:01] | roz: | clever: I am in that screen in myth |
| [01:43:14] | roz: | I have an error, but i dont see an option to delete it |
| [01:43:28] | clever: | roz: theres another place within mythfrontend but the font sizes make it hard to see the whole line |
| [01:43:34] | clever: | roz: m will let you delete it |
| [01:44:30] | roz: | All i can do is requeue it |
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| [01:44:47] | roz: | OK i requeued it |
| [01:44:50] | roz: | then i deleted it |
| [01:44:54] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [01:45:14] | roz: | OK so the one I just set up is queue'd up behind a commercial flagging |
| [01:45:20] | roz: | anyway to make it run? |
| [01:45:31] | roz: | (i am running out of hd space, so sort of in a hurry) |
| [01:45:57] | clever: | the mythbackend will run 1 job at a time in order |
| [01:46:23] | clever: | ive sat on 2gig of space before for weeks |
| [01:46:26] | roz: | damn. |
| [01:46:44] | roz: | i'm filling 20+ gb / day with the olympics |
| [01:46:54] | roz: | and dont have time to watch it as fast as its coming ing |
| [01:46:58] | roz: | in-g |
| [01:46:58] | clever: | i havent watched even 5mins of that:P |
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| [01:47:29] | wagnerrp: | ive seen maybe 20 minutes |
| [01:47:33] | sphery: | roz more HDD's |
| [01:47:33] | clever: | how many core's in your CPU? |
| [01:48:01] | roz: | hehe 1 its an athlon 900 |
| [01:48:05] | clever: | ah |
| [01:48:20] | roz: | I am comm flagging at 33 fps, so real time |
| [01:48:29] | clever: | got other systems running as frontends? |
| [01:48:34] | roz: | yes |
| [01:48:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got some 600GB dedicated towards recordings, and another 1.5TB i can add if needed |
| [01:48:44] | clever: | then you can do what i did |
| [01:48:55] | clever: | i made every frontend a slave backend |
| [01:49:06] | wagnerrp: | storage is cheap, transcoding takes too much effory |
| [01:49:08] | clever: | basicaly i just set the 'backend ip' properly in mythtv-setup and run mythbackend |
| [01:49:30] | roz: | each backend then can run 1 process? |
| [01:49:47] | clever: | each mythbackend will run x jobs(set in mythtv-setup) |
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| [01:50:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I completely agree... 750GB for $85 means transcoding is a waste |
| [01:50:42] | clever: | roz: next, jobqueue(global) in mythtv-setup, 'run jobs only on original backend', turn it off |
| [01:50:58] | clever: | roz: now every computer(with a mythbackend) will run a job |
| [01:51:21] | clever: | its fun to transcode 7 things at once |
| [01:51:25] | roz: | sphery: I agree. I also cannot get one of those here fast enough |
| [01:51:32] | sphery: | roz: and you can run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend if the system isn't really a backend (i.e. if it has no capture cards) |
| [01:52:12] | clever: | sphery: i heard of that but have never tested it myself |
| [01:52:32] | sphery: | roz: well, if you want: http://www.digitaleditor.com/eu.aspx?url=http . . . -1_8-18-2006 followed by http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640A-R&cat=HDD (PATA) or http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST375 . . . &cat=HDD (SATA) |
| [01:53:14] | sphery: | clever: it's really better to use it if you don't have capture cards because mythbackend is not tested (nor written) to work without capture cards. |
| [01:53:41] | sphery: | Here's the obligatory (but mostly useless) wiki page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythjobqueue |
| [01:53:50] | clever: | sphery: one of my false slaves was also holding about 20gig of overflow recordings |
| [01:53:58] | sphery: | just set up the system with mythtv-setup (as if it were a slave backend), then run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend. |
| [01:54:10] | clever: | sphery: i gave it its own storage group and updated the hostname in recorded |
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| [01:54:23] | roz: | sphery: clever: mythjobqueue worked with no setup whatsoever |
| [01:54:28] | clever: | :D |
| [01:54:41] | sphery: | clever: yeah, but if you're using a network filesystem, you wouldn't need a backend there. |
| [01:55:14] | sphery: | roz: might still want to run mythtv-setup to make sure the job settings are appropriate (i.e. jobs are allowed, allowed to run jobs from other hosts, etc.) |
| [01:55:14] | clever: | sphery: ive also changed things arround more now |
| [01:55:23] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:55:29] | roz: | However....I only have mythfrontend installed. compiling (gentoo) |
| [01:55:42] | clever: | sphery: right now i switched a slave and master backend, simply by changing the master ip |
| [01:55:44] | sphery: | clever: at least what you had was working for you--that's really the most important. |
| [01:55:46] | clever: | sphery: and i moved the card also |
| [01:55:50] | clever: | sphery: but NOT the drives |
| [01:56:06] | clever: | so the master backend is now recording directly to nfs |
| [01:56:29] | sphery: | roz: how can you only have mythfrontend installed? frontend-only builds are not meant to exist. |
| [01:56:51] | sphery: | only way I've seen that is when packagers allow it (compile everything and only install part)--which they shouldn't ;) |
| [01:56:52] | clever: | sphery: and yet theres a --disable-mythbackend on configure |
| [01:56:57] | roz: | sphery: they do exist on gentoo |
| [01:57:11] | ** chainsawbike seconds that ** | |
| [01:57:37] | clever: | in theory i could cut the backend out of a .deb while building it |
| [01:57:50] | clever: | if i knew how to build .deb packages:p |
| [01:57:54] | sphery: | clever: # disabled due to abuse in Gentoo ebuild --disable-backend) |
| [01:57:58] | clever: | lol |
| [01:58:04] | sphery: | for real, read configure |
| [01:58:22] | clever: | roz: you must have an old version then:P |
| [01:58:55] | sphery: | Also: WARNING: --disable-backend is only intended to aid porting./WARNING: You are on your own now. |
| [01:59:11] | clever: | disabling the backend would be usefull in porting |
| [01:59:30] | clever: | i could completely skip patching the capture together while i build a mythfrontend that can atleast start |
| [01:59:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 'frontendonly' and 'backendonly' are no longer options in the ebuilds |
| [01:59:38] | sphery: | You have to hack configure to make it work, and then--if you're compiling on GNU/Linux--you end up with a broken build |
| [02:03:31] | roz: | thanks a bunch guys |
| [02:03:34] | roz: | have to run for now |
| [02:03:54] | sphery: | good luck |
| [02:08:33] | squish102: | ok finaly making a concerted effort to build a decentish HTPC, got an antec ht case, and an amd X2 BE-2400 and a quite cpu cooler. Any1 have a good mobo that works with mythtv for that cpu? |
| [02:09:12] | sphery: | I can recommend one to not get (the one I just got that caused me to order another, which should arrive on Monday :) |
| [02:09:55] | squish102: | which one? |
| [02:10:14] | sphery: | Don't get Biostar A740G M2+. |
| [02:10:29] | squish102: | ok thanks, what did u buy now? |
| [02:10:45] | sphery: | looking |
| [02:11:08] | squish102: | this is the one i was thinking of getting... but it is still a little expensive |
| [02:11:11] | squish102: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?nm . . . E16813128090 |
| [02:12:12] | abarber_: | clever: so i got an S-video cable |
| [02:12:26] | abarber_: | but it has not fixed my problems |
| [02:12:43] | abarber_: | can't watch tv through myth |
| [02:12:54] | sphery: | The one I got isn't great, but it has a NIC that should work at full speed (the NIC on the Biostar gives me about 6MB/s throughput but drops out for up to a second at a time, which is not good for video/audio.) |
| [02:13:12] | sphery: | squish102: I got http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131234 |
| [02:13:18] | iamlindoro: | Holy cow-- this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen done with video-- Watch the Demo Video. http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/video . . . ancement.htm |
| [02:13:26] | clever: | abarber_: test the card outside myth first, something like tvtime |
| [02:13:58] | squish102: | sphery what made you choose that one? |
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| [02:15:13] | sphery: | squish102: if you were planning on the integrated video, there's an almost identical one that's got ATI video (HD3800?) built in. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131289 |
| [02:15:14] | abarber_: | yeah, i was gonna ask how to test the card |
| [02:15:20] | abarber_: | what is tvtime? |
| [02:15:56] | sphery: | squish102: Mainly it didn't use the r8169 NIC driver (which sucks) and didn't have intel-hda audio (which isn't done, yet)... Those are the 2 things that burned me on the Biostar. |
| [02:16:24] | clever: | iamlindoro: looks neat, but the vid isnt working yet |
| [02:16:25] | sphery: | squish102: Also, I think the Asus M3A-H/HDMI has a NIC that uses r8169. |
| [02:16:30] | J-e-f-f-A_: | squish102: I have an Asus M2N-E — AM2 – 6x SATA II – 3xPCI 4xPCIe (2 PCIex1, 1 PCIex4, 1 PCIex16) |
| [02:16:36] | clever: | nvm flash is fixe |
| [02:16:37] | clever: | d |
| [02:16:41] | iamlindoro: | clever: I was "meh" about the summary, but the video is un-freaking-believable |
| [02:17:24] | clever: | i read over it some and looked as the sample images |
| [02:17:31] | abarber_: | clever: what is tvtime? |
| [02:17:32] | sphery: | squish102: but, if you want to try, there's an open-box version available for $27 less and with free shipping (saving $8.97). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131289R |
| [02:17:41] | clever: | abarber_: a tv viewing program |
| [02:17:55] | squish102: | thanks sphery and J-e-f-f-A_ let me go review those 2 boards |
| [02:18:08] | sphery: | squish102: also open box on M3A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131234R (~$24 cheaper, free S&H saves $8.97) |
| [02:18:22] | abarber_: | is it packaged with ubuntu? |
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| [02:18:35] | iamlindoro: | yes, there is a package for ubuntu |
| [02:18:40] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A_: which LAN driver does that one use? |
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| [02:18:51] | squish102: | i do want to try use the hdmi onboard |
| [02:19:17] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A_: nvm, looks like forcedeth (which works) |
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| [02:19:31] | clever: | and now flash crapped out |
| [02:19:37] | clever: | video wont play at all |
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| [02:19:46] | sphery: | squish102: I stayed away from NVIDIA chipsets because I've had a /lot/ of chipset fan failures on NVIDIA-based mobo's, lately. |
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| [02:20:21] | J-e-f-f-A_: | sphery: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet |
| [02:20:30] | sphery: | (Also, rumor has it NVIDIA is getting out of the chipset busines. Via announced they're getting out of the x86 chipset business. So, IMHO, that means Intel chipsets for Intel and AMD for AMD.) |
| [02:20:48] | J-e-f-f-A_: | sphery: audio is: Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| [02:20:59] | sphery: | do you know which driver? |
| [02:21:12] | sphery: | that looks like an intel-hda, right? (kernel module) |
| [02:21:58] | clever: | sphery: ive got a intel-hda card, and yes it didnt work out of the box |
| [02:22:07] | J-e-f-f-A_: | sphery: What's the command to check (dmesg log has long since rolled off...) |
| [02:22:16] | sphery: | lsmod | grep snd |
| [02:22:18] | clever: | but it was trivial to fix while following the ubuntu guide, i just had to change a modprobe option |
| [02:22:42] | sphery: | clever: yeah, the whole 3-stack/6-stack, etc. |
| [02:22:54] | sphery: | I got one that's too new, so it wasn't well supported. |
| [02:23:02] | J-e-f-f-A_: | sphery: looks like intel... snd_hda_intel ... |
| [02:23:21] | clever: | sphery: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| [02:23:24] | sphery: | Didn't even have a PCM control. (Just Front and Master) |
| [02:23:30] | clever: | 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02) |
| [02:23:47] | clever: | sphery: also the wifi card has never worked on that system(atleast in 7.10) |
| [02:23:52] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A_: Cool. Glad your sound card is better supported in that driver than the one I had. :) |
| [02:24:02] | J-e-f-f-A_: | sphery: hehe... ;-) |
| [02:24:22] | clever: | sphery: i noticed the open source module was blacklisted in 8.04 with a comment refering to a new one |
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| [02:24:34] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [02:24:42] | thedarkone: | is nvidia 6200 and good? |
| [02:24:45] | sphery: | I can't wait 'til Monday so that I can do timestretch again (can't even get 1.05x with the NIC in this mobo... :( ) |
| [02:24:47] | thedarkone: | any good? |
| [02:24:56] | sphery: | I have it in 2 of my systems. |
| [02:25:00] | iamlindoro: | It's as good as any other supported nvidia |
| [02:25:07] | J-e-f-f-A_: | thedarkone: I run them on two of my systems too... ;-) |
| [02:25:08] | thedarkone: | can u help me set it up |
| [02:25:17] | iamlindoro: | ah., the other shoe drops |
| [02:25:19] | thedarkone: | i tried rgb |
| [02:25:22] | wagnerrp: | unless you want some 3D support, its perfectly sufficient |
| [02:25:31] | thedarkone: | i get blue screen |
| [02:25:41] | iamlindoro: | Ah, your provblem is you're running windows accidentally |
| [02:25:44] | thedarkone: | well i want for sd |
| [02:26:01] | thedarkone: | windows? |
| [02:26:08] | sphery: | squish102: if you do want to use the onboard HDMI, you'll need to use the new ATI drivers. They should be in good shape, now. (Much better than in years past.) Unfortunately, there's not as much documentation out there on them, as on NVIDIA (especially with Myth), so you may have to play a bit. |
| [02:26:19] | J-e-f-f-A_: | iamlindoro: I was thinking the same thing... HA! ;-) |
| [02:26:26] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A_: ;) |
| [02:26:31] | thedarkone: | what windows? |
| [02:26:37] | clever: | iamlindoro: some capture cards give a solid blue frame when they cant get a signal |
| [02:26:57] | J-e-f-f-A_: | thedarkone: Blue screen... as in the famous Windows Blue Screen of Death... |
| [02:26:59] | iamlindoro: | clever: Ah, your aspegers-induced lack of sarcasm detection strikes again |
| [02:27:06] | thedarkone: | no windows |
| [02:27:07] | sphery: | perhaps thedarkone didn't set up rgb, but set up b |
| [02:27:11] | thedarkone: | it linux |
| [02:27:16] | clever: | iamlindoro: just pointing out there can be many diff 'blue screens' |
| [02:27:19] | squish102: | thanks sphery |
| [02:27:24] | iamlindoro: | clever: no shit, sherlock |
| [02:27:24] | J-e-f-f-A_ is now known as J-e-f-f-A | |
| [02:27:31] | thedarkone: | it shows blue |
| [02:27:38] | thedarkone: | i can take off blue |
| [02:27:40] | Gumby: | lol @ aspegers-induced lack of sarcasm detection |
| [02:27:40] | sphery: | thedarkone: only on video? |
| [02:27:43] | thedarkone: | it shows gray |
| [02:27:48] | sphery: | thedarkone: or also on the desktop? |
| [02:27:51] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [02:27:55] | thedarkone: | desktop too |
| [02:28:13] | sphery: | thedarkone: on your TV (or is it a monitor)? |
| [02:28:19] | thedarkone: | tv |
| [02:28:33] | sphery: | digital TV using VGA/DVI/HDMI/etc.? |
| [02:28:39] | thedarkone: | rbg |
| [02:28:47] | thedarkone: | compont |
| [02:28:47] | sphery: | rgb = VGA? |
| [02:28:53] | sphery: | Oh, component. |
| [02:28:56] | thedarkone: | hdtv |
| [02:29:14] | Gumby: | does the tv turn blue when it doesnt receive a signal? |
| [02:29:18] | sphery: | Could be that the TV's "no signal" screen is set to blue (versus black), so it's just unable to display the signal. |
| [02:29:27] | ** Gumby high 5's sphery ** | |
| [02:29:36] | sphery: | Gumby saw where I was going but got the words out first... :) |
| [02:29:58] | ** sphery returns the high 5 ** | |
| [02:30:10] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [02:30:10] | Gumby: | you jackass... you dont return a hi 5 |
| [02:30:15] | Gumby: | hehehe |
| [02:30:17] | sphery: | Oops... |
| [02:30:46] | sphery: | thedarkone: is it possible to do VGA/DVI/HDMI or some other "computer-type" connection to your TV? |
| [02:30:57] | sphery: | if so, it's probably /much/ easier to configure. |
| [02:31:05] | thedarkone: | only thing hooked up |
| [02:31:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: perhaps you should have slapped his a$$ instead like athletes do... ??? |
| [02:31:22] | thedarkone: | well i could use vga |
| [02:31:24] | Gumby: | yeah yeah do it do it |
| [02:31:59] | thedarkone: | well i think my xconf isn't set up for hd |
| [02:32:20] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: I think I'd rather be uncool (and not know what to do with a high 5) |
| [02:33:07] | thedarkone: | sphery can u send me xconf for hd? |
| [02:33:08] | sphery: | thedarkone: probably easier to start from scratch to make an xorg.conf for VGA than to fix the component-based one. |
| [02:33:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: Have you looked at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDTV_Database > |
| [02:33:36] | sphery: | My xorg.conf is very specific to my TV. Try ^^^ |
| [02:33:55] | sphery: | me high 5's J-e-f-f-A |
| [02:33:59] | ** sphery ** | |
| [02:34:06] | iamlindoro: | It's worth it to at least *try* nvidia-xconfig first |
| [02:34:15] | iamlindoro: | as it works *really* well oftentimes |
| [02:34:32] | thedarkone: | okay i try it |
| [02:34:36] | sphery: | good luck |
| [02:34:46] | thedarkone: | it a dlp hdtv projector |
| [02:35:21] | squish102: | btw anyone interested in an Athlon X2 BE-2400 Brisbane 2.3GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual-Core Processor – OEM Newegg is selling them for $30 with free shipping |
| [02:35:24] | iamlindoro: | Seriously, someone commercialize this and sell me 10: http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/video . . . ancement.htm |
| [02:35:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: there's also lots of info about the Nvidia driver at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver |
| [02:35:49] | sphery: | and now it's what abarber_ was asking about: tvtime (though I just mean for me it's time for MythTV watching, as I don't use tvtime :) |
| [02:36:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I like how they made the tree all better |
| [02:36:25] | squish102: | use Code: AMD81210 to get it down to $30 |
| [02:36:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I thought the object removal and especially the SD-crapfest-to-high-def-perfection stuff was jaw dropping |
| [02:37:10] | sphery: | squish102: nice--they're really pushing the business edition |
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| [02:38:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm still waiting for the processor power required to extract (and display) all the info in an image |
| [02:38:38] | sphery: | (i.e. the 1:1 won't do it, kind of all info) |
| [02:38:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I would happily dedicated a few little boes to doing that kind of processing if my stuff came out looking that like |
| [02:38:51] | iamlindoro: | uhhh |
| [02:38:55] | iamlindoro: | dyslexia much, iamlindoro? |
| [02:38:59] | sphery: | boes? |
| [02:39:09] | sphery: | boxes? |
| [02:39:09] | iamlindoro: | ahem, boxes, looking like that |
| [02:39:14] | sphery: | got it |
| [02:39:21] | iamlindoro: | and the face of boe |
| [02:39:28] | iamlindoro: | I'd totally gie up the face of boe |
| [02:39:30] | iamlindoro: | give |
| [02:39:33] | iamlindoro: | goddammit |
| [02:39:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | it's ok, liniamdoro... ;-) |
| [02:39:37] | sphery: | Yeah, it would be nice to "transmute" video that way, rather than transcode it... |
| [02:40:03] | Gumby: | spacetime fusion! |
| [02:40:23] | sphery: | mythtransmute |
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| [02:40:44] | sphery: | status: 0.0001% complete 0.00001fps |
| [02:41:00] | PSU: | iamlindoro: are you still around? :) |
| [02:41:05] | iamlindoro: | You'd have to have the capacity to save the job to be able to continue it on your next mythbox |
| [02:41:05] | thedarkone: | oh well time just to use vga |
| [02:41:08] | iamlindoro: | PSU: nope |
| [02:41:11] | PSU: | :P |
| [02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtransmute? record 'White Chicks', and turn it into 'The Godfather'? |
| [02:41:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah. Not good for serial series, either |
| [02:41:43] | PSU: | i e-mailed schedulesdirect about my channel problem...they wrote back and suggested that i check the raw xml to see where the channel data was incorrect |
| [02:41:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think that would take a /lot/ more CPU power than exists on earth |
| [02:42:35] | PSU: | iamlindoro: i pulled my raw xml using the instructions here – http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=295 and confirmed that the channel #'s are correct...any suggestions as to what to try next? |
| [02:43:08] | sphery: | PSU: what's your channel problem? |
| [02:43:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Looks like probably XMLids associated with wrong channum |
| [02:43:24] | sphery: | just incorrect channel #'s? If so, edit them in mythtv-setup's channel editor (or MythWeb's) |
| [02:43:31] | PSU: | All channels appear to be shifted down by two. For example, my |
| [02:43:31] | PSU: | > channel two appears on the listing as channel 4; channel 3 is listed |
| [02:43:31] | PSU: | > under 5, etc. |
| [02:44:09] | PSU: | I have tried to run "mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do-channel- updates" to clear my database but was left with the same result. |
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| [02:44:30] | sphery: | by that do you mean listings data is associated with the wrong channel or the channel that Myth calls 4 is really 2 (i.e. just a wrong number) |
| [02:44:40] | iamlindoro: | the former |
| [02:44:44] | iamlindoro: | I asked the same question :) |
| [02:44:51] | clever: | there, done as much as i can for my broken ir blaster |
| [02:45:06] | squish102: | PSU, i normally have to go through a pretty painful process of typing in the xmltv_id's into mythweb |
| [02:45:10] | sphery: | PSU: analog or digital TV capture? |
| [02:45:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: what'd you do to your blaster? ;-) |
| [02:45:15] | clever: | i now automaticaly save a jpg of the cable box(to see its current channel) and overlay the channel i wanted |
| [02:45:28] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i'll show you an example |
| [02:45:36] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: the same thing he does to everything |
| [02:45:41] | iamlindoro: | tweak it until it breaks |
| [02:45:50] | PSU: | sphery: analog |
| [02:45:52] | iamlindoro: | and then dump complaints into the channel |
| [02:46:07] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/shot.jpg/_full_ |
| [02:46:24] | sphery: | PSU: I would (and /very/ often do) recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (video sources part only) |
| [02:46:37] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: the top is an alarm clock(actual timestamp incase pc screws up) and the bottom is the timestamp(pc clock) and the channel i wanted |
| [02:47:08] | iamlindoro: | PSU: The short short way of fixing it would be to remove the video source in mythtv-setup (that is, the listings source) and create it again from scratch. The bad news about that is it will wreak havok on your recording rules. The labor intensive way is to edit each channel and make the XMLids right per the "report" function at SD, which is labor intensive but your recording rules should come through unscathed |
| [02:47:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: and that is to validate that your blaster is working properly? |
| [02:47:26] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro will this 6200 look good in hdtv |
| [02:47:42] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: the blaster isnt working at all |
| [02:47:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: only wreaks havoc with "this channel" recording rules (and only if the callsigns change) |
| [02:47:51] | PSU: | sphery / iamlindoro: thanks, i will remove the video sources as you had both recommended! |
| [02:47:56] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: this is to check the channel and see if i should get up and change it manualy |
| [02:47:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: With a good source, yes. ;-) |
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| [02:48:01] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone: Any nVidia 5200 or greater will look identically in HD |
| [02:48:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yeah, I have a few of those, was only speaking generally :) |
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| [02:48:43] | thedarkone: | well my fx5200 kept on freezing |
| [02:48:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: is it working? can you look at the ir led with a camcoder or digital camera to see if it's flashing when transmitting? |
| [02:49:11] | sphery: | Yeah, I /never/ do "this channel" rules, so it never affects me. But, you can always change the callsign back to what it was (assuming you knwo it) |
| [02:49:16] | sphery: | speaking of which... |
| [02:49:17] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i can see the ir led in a camera but its very dim |
| [02:49:21] | iamlindoro: | That's a very general statement-- what about it kept freezing? The GPU isn't really doing *any* of the work decoding in linux, that's really all done by the CPU |
| [02:49:33] | sphery: | PSU: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore has info on saving xmltvid's |
| [02:49:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Do you have an IR receiver? |
| [02:49:46] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: the cable box ignores it, and my 'univeral remote' software on my phone claims receive error |
| [02:49:57] | PSU: | sphery: thanks, guess this would be good for next time, right? :) |
| [02:50:05] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: and the pvr150 receiver can only receive certain signals |
| [02:50:14] | thedarkone: | well iamlindoro i have 1gig ram pentuim d 2.8ghz and 2 tb hdd |
| [02:50:23] | sphery: | PSU: though the xmltvid stuff might be wrong, it also dumps some other channel info in a text file that you might find useful |
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| [02:50:33] | PSU: | k, thx |
| [02:51:04] | iamlindoro: | Should be more than adequate for US HDTV, thedarkone, but don't know where you live. Like I said, the GPU doesn't do any work in linux, since our hardware acceleration is next-to-nonexistent |
| [02:51:14] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: using the remote software on my phone i can learn and playback ir signals from remotes thru the irda port |
| [02:51:23] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: but the range for blasting from the phone is useless |
| [02:51:36] | iamlindoro: | so acceleration in a 5200 is going to be more or less the same as the latest, greatest, Crysis-crushing GPU |
| [02:51:45] | iamlindoro: | and in some cases, better. |
| [02:52:15] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, no lady in the house, I can play Bionic Commando |
| [02:52:18] | thedarkone: | i am usa |
| [02:52:27] | sphery: | IMHO, the only benefit of faster video cards in a Myth box is the faster memory that comes with them (and then, only helpful with certain--mainly OpenGL--operations) |
| [02:52:35] | wagnerrp: | wow, the entire country |
| [02:53:54] | sphery: | (Though that will change with the OpenGL video renders--which require /very/ new, /very/ fast video cards--but they aren't really usable, now, so you're better off buying a cheap video card and waiting for the code to be written, at which point the expensive, fast cards will drop in price. |
| [02:57:22] | thedarkone: | sphery do u use rbg part of ur graphic card |
| [02:57:52] | sphery: | thedarkone: I'm using VGA. |
| [02:58:07] | sphery: | which sends RGB, so, yeah, but not how you mean :) |
| [02:58:25] | wagnerrp: | DVI and VGA are both RGB signals |
| [02:58:34] | wagnerrp: | component is NOT an RGB signal |
| [02:59:08] | thedarkone: | well this one uses rgb |
| [02:59:18] | thedarkone: | it has red green blue |
| [02:59:28] | sphery: | but the ends of the cables have red, green, and blue on them |
| [02:59:39] | wagnerrp: | the connectors may be rgb, but it is a YPrPb signal |
| [03:00:18] | thedarkone: | anolog |
| [03:00:48] | sphery: | VGA is analog RGB. Component is analog YPrPb. |
| [03:00:56] | sphery: | DVI-A is analog RGB. |
| [03:01:54] | wagnerrp: | DVI-D is digital RGB, with some other shit thrown in for good measure |
| [03:02:26] | sphery: | More than anything, you might want to call component, component, so others can understand what you're asking (otherwise, you might get irrelevant answers) |
| [03:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Yay, my eBay auction ended, guess I can pay the mortgage this month |
| [03:04:00] | thedarkone: | this darn video card gona drive me to drink |
| [03:06:23] | thedarkone: | all wanted to do was see if it would do 1080i |
| [03:09:01] | wagnerrp: | im looking through display connectors on wikipedia |
| [03:09:28] | wagnerrp: | display port is designed so that blind people can connect devices through feeling |
| [03:09:42] | wagnerrp: | why would blind people need to connect displays |
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| [03:16:58] | Gumby: | not everyone who is legally blind cant see |
| [03:17:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I know a lady that's legally blind, but can read large text, like 24–30 point up close... |
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| [03:19:43] | floppyears: | hi guys |
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| [03:20:10] | floppyears: | when I play a dvd using mythtv there seems to be too much bass in the movie |
| [03:20:15] | floppyears: | this happens with many movies |
| [03:20:17] | floppyears: | any suggestions? |
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| [03:20:31] | floppyears: | this problem doesn't happen when playing recorded shows |
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| [03:33:47] | four80six: | Anyone familiar with slingbox? |
| [03:36:10] | iamlindoro: | Only inasmuch as "I don't need one with myth" |
| [03:37:07] | four80six: | i want to stream to my PDA phone live football games |
| [03:37:12] | four80six: | can you do that with myth? |
| [03:41:08] | four80six: | No? |
| [03:41:17] | four80six: | is there a free bit of software to do that? |
| [03:41:51] | iamlindoro: | in theory you could do that with lots of free stuff, and don't assume because someone doesn't answer you that the answer is no, we have real lives |
| [03:42:07] | iamlindoro: | you could do it with a well-orchestrated ffmpeg or mencoder line, even |
| [03:42:47] | iamlindoro: | and myth will stream recordings to any flash-enable browser, you just have to schedule the recording |
| [03:43:03] | four80six: | hmmm... |
| [03:43:12] | four80six: | slingbox is expensive, free is much less than expensive. |
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| [03:43:32] | ldiamond: | Anyone know where I can find a DVI switch that is cheap and good? |
| [03:43:50] | iamlindoro: | monoprice.com |
| [03:43:51] | ldiamond: | I have 2 different sources that I want to plug on 1 LCD, but I only have 1 DVI port. |
| [03:44:06] | ldiamond: | Ive seen that: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . pecification |
| [03:44:22] | ldiamond: | but for some reason, the specs say resolution up to 1600x1200 |
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| [03:44:39] | ldiamond: | Which I find a bit odd since its only a switch. |
| [03:47:06] | iamlindoro: | just get one of the super-cheap HDMI switches and use HDMI-DVI cables |
| [03:47:15] | iamlindoro: | example, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . pecification |
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| [03:48:05] | ldiamond: | but I dont see why there is a maximum resolution. Doesnt that simply connect the right pins together? |
| [03:48:13] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [03:48:21] | iamlindoro: | The signals need to be processed and amplified |
| [03:49:08] | ldiamond: | why would the signal be processed? |
| [03:50:06] | iamlindoro: | Google "HDMI Switch" and learn about it, this is off-topic |
| [03:52:57] | ldiamond: | but are you talking about HDCP support here..? |
| [03:53:03] | iamlindoro: | No |
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| [04:00:24] | thedarkone: | is dvi to vga same as vga? |
| [04:00:36] | ldiamond: | no |
| [04:00:49] | thedarkone: | is it better? |
| [04:01:08] | ldiamond: | DVI to VGA converts DVI (digital) signal to VGA (analog) |
| [04:01:18] | ldiamond: | DVI offers a better quality than VGA |
| [04:01:58] | thedarkone: | my projector only has vga ,svideo,rgb (anlog |
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| [04:02:24] | opello: | dvi offers 5 analog pins on the connector |
| [04:02:56] | ldiamond: | only DVI-I does. |
| [04:03:08] | opello: | right the "not only digital" variety :p |
| [04:05:38] | rimbob: | DVI-A does too |
| [04:05:52] | rimbob: | :) |
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| [04:05:58] | thedarkone: | can't figure out this hdtv breakout pod |
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| [04:18:53] | ldiamond: | Is there any simple, cheap, DVI switches that simply connects the right in-out pins? |
| [04:19:07] | ldiamond: | I dont need any amp, just a simple switch! |
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| [04:24:53] | ldiamond: | A simple mosfet array would do! |
| [04:25:23] | weevilofdoom: | only things i can find are above $150.. |
| [04:25:44] | ldiamond: | you mean DVI switches? |
| [04:26:33] | weevilofdoom: | yes |
| [04:26:42] | ldiamond: | yea, there are alot of expensive ones out there |
| [04:26:48] | weevilofdoom: | http://www.networktechinc.com/vidsw-dvi.html |
| [04:26:58] | ldiamond: | some cheaper ones, but they dont simply switch, they amplify |
| [04:27:30] | opello: | http://www.cooldrives.com/2podvsesw.html |
| [04:27:44] | opello: | little cheaper, doesn't say if it amplifies though |
| [04:27:52] | ldiamond: | Video signal type: DVI-D single link up to 1920x1200 resolution |
| [04:28:08] | ldiamond: | there is no reason for a switch to have such limitations |
| [04:28:16] | opello: | sure there is |
| [04:28:23] | opello: | intereference? |
| [04:28:48] | ldiamond: | theres no reason for a switch to be more subject to interference than a DVI cable |
| [04:30:13] | thedarkone: | anyone want this video card it free.. |
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| [04:30:37] | ldiamond: | such small interference can easily be filtered too |
| [04:30:44] | four80six: | thedarkone, you on efnet too |
| [04:30:46] | four80six: | ? |
| [04:31:45] | opello: | ldiamond: sounds like you've got a business plan, better go engineer the solution since it's trivial |
| [04:32:06] | ldiamond: | I was actually thinking about making myself one indeed. |
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| [04:33:31] | thedarkone: | this video card is hunk of junk |
| [04:33:38] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [04:33:46] | weevilofdoom: | ha |
| [04:34:27] | thedarkone: | i bought for hd |
| [04:34:42] | thedarkone: | and can't get it to work |
| [04:35:25] | ldiamond: | what videocard? |
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| [04:37:34] | thedarkone: | nvidia 6200 |
| [04:38:01] | ldiamond: | What doesnt work? HD playback or the card overall? |
| [04:38:29] | thedarkone: | can't get xorg configured right |
| [04:39:12] | ldiamond: | did u install nvidia proprietary drivers or the opensources? |
| [04:39:24] | thedarkone: | i used evny |
| [04:39:48] | ldiamond: | I dont know that... what distro r u on? |
| [04:39:57] | thedarkone: | ubuntu |
| [04:40:21] | ldiamond: | What I did with my 8700m was simply install the nvidia proprietary drivers |
| [04:40:28] | ldiamond: | I'm sure the 6200 is well supported |
| [04:40:30] | thedarkone: | what is res on 480i |
| [04:40:34] | ldiamond: | you might wanna check #ubuntu |
| [04:40:39] | ldiamond: | they are usually helpful |
| [04:40:45] | thedarkone: | they igorne ya |
| [04:40:55] | ldiamond: | try asking a few times |
| [04:40:57] | ldiamond: | or maybe #linux |
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| [04:41:29] | thedarkone: | i have it set right now at 1280x720 |
| [04:42:00] | ldiamond: | and it works? |
| [04:42:10] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:42:15] | ldiamond: | so what doesnt work? |
| [04:42:17] | ldiamond: | higher res? |
| [04:42:28] | thedarkone: | yes higher res |
| [04:42:35] | thedarkone: | and i have a blue tint |
| [04:42:39] | ldiamond: | Because you cannot select them? |
| [04:42:45] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:42:46] | ldiamond: | or they simply fail to work? |
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| [04:43:06] | ldiamond: | xorg.conf (or whatever the name is). Add the resolution in there |
| [04:43:18] | ldiamond: | or use nvidia prop drivers |
| [04:43:28] | thedarkone: | dont know what the res are |
| [04:43:38] | ldiamond: | what res do you need? |
| [04:43:40] | thedarkone: | like what res is 1080i |
| [04:43:41] | ldiamond: | 1080p? |
| [04:43:50] | thedarkone: | 480i |
| [04:43:51] | ldiamond: | 1080p is 1900x1080 |
| [04:43:55] | iamlindoro: | no, it's not |
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| [04:43:58] | iamlindoro: | 1920x1080 |
| [04:44:03] | ldiamond: | yea |
| [04:44:04] | ldiamond: | my bad |
| [04:44:06] | ldiamond: | 1920 |
| [04:44:09] | opello: | 1920x1088? |
| [04:44:14] | SirFunk: | what is the recommended digital/analog capture card nowadays? most of the ones i look up seem to have flaky support? |
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| [04:44:19] | iamlindoro: | nope, 1080 |
| [04:44:27] | ldiamond: | interlaced is half the horizontal lines iirc |
| [04:44:42] | iamlindoro: | 1080i is *still* 1920x1080 |
| [04:44:59] | ldiamond: | just samples half the lines..? |
| [04:45:09] | thedarkone: | my dlp can use 1080i |
| [04:45:38] | thedarkone: | i think |
| [04:45:45] | opello: | (it really is 1088 if we get to be nitpicky about dvi-a and dvi-i :) |
| [04:46:14] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone: Accepting a resolution is different from displaying it. If the best input on your projector is VGA, then I am highly suspicious that it will display 1080 |
| [04:47:25] | thedarkone: | HDTV: 720p, 1080i |
| [04:47:25] | thedarkone: | EDTV/480p: Yes |
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| [04:47:59] | ldiamond: | through VGA, not so sure its real hdtv |
| [04:48:02] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone: again, LOTS of things will accept a 1080i signal, but many many of them (and likely your projector) have native res of 1280x720 |
| [04:48:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: what is the native resolution of the projector? VGA, XGA? |
| [04:48:26] | iamlindoro: | Let's shortcut this-- give us the model of your projector |
| [04:48:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees... (was just about to ask..) ** | |
| [04:49:11] | thedarkone: | http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ-PB8220.htm |
| [04:49:30] | ldiamond: | 1024x768 Pixels |
| [04:49:33] | iamlindoro: | Native: 1024x768 Pixels |
| [04:49:36] | iamlindoro: | The end |
| [04:49:48] | ldiamond: | using res higher than that will give you nothing |
| [04:49:52] | thedarkone: | but has hd |
| [04:49:53] | ldiamond: | or even degrade the quality |
| [04:50:03] | iamlindoro: | what does "has hd" mean to you? |
| [04:50:06] | thedarkone: | i use my xbox360 |
| [04:50:12] | thedarkone: | in hd |
| [04:50:19] | iamlindoro: | means NOTHING |
| [04:50:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | It accepts a HD signal, and down-scales it to fit in 1024x768 pixels... |
| [04:50:34] | iamlindoro: | your projector accepts hd signals as inputs. the output will always, always, ALWAYS be the native res |
| [04:50:57] | thedarkone: | well that sucks |
| [04:51:28] | ** iamlindoro gently strokes his Mitsu hc5000 ** | |
| [04:51:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: feed it vga 1024x768 and let myth do the scaling, the picture quality will be quite nice... |
| [04:51:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A envies iamlindoro — he's looked at that projector and drooled.... ;-) ** | |
| [04:52:12] | iamlindoro: | I likes my pretties I does |
| [04:52:39] | iamlindoro: | The secret it to get it imported-- half price! |
| [04:53:07] | thedarkone: | i tried that it seems to show like echos |
| [04:53:08] | ldiamond: | from where? europe or asia? |
| [04:53:13] | iamlindoro: | Japan |
| [04:53:15] | iamlindoro: | http://www.pricejapan.com/front/e_main_page.php |
| [04:53:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | really? wow... How's the contrast ratio? J-e-f-f-A bookmarks ^^^^ ;-) |
| [04:54:17] | iamlindoro: | It looks phenomenal. I've had it for a little over a year, bought via pricejapan... $2400 versus $5K in the USA |
| [04:54:19] | thedarkone: | okay |
| [04:54:40] | thedarkone: | but like say white smoke it shows little blocks |
| [04:54:46] | thedarkone: | and falls aprt |
| [04:54:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I was drooling over it since it's LCD, not DLP, which I see rainbows on quite easily... LCD's kick arse... |
| [04:54:50] | thedarkone: | apart |
| [04:54:54] | ldiamond: | the HC4900 is 2100$ CAD |
| [04:55:12] | thedarkone: | unlike hd hook up it all smooth |
| [04:55:12] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: I've been very happy-- first and only projector so far, TBH |
| [04:55:13] | ldiamond: | looks very similar |
| [04:55:19] | thedarkone: | but small |
| [04:56:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I've got an antique Sony VPH-1080 hanging from my ceiling... 480i, or with a swap of a zener diode, 640x480@60hz. I got a modeline figured out a few years ago to do 800x600i, was nearly no flicker at all... |
| [04:56:37] | ldiamond: | 40x480@60hz. I got a modeline figured out a few years ago to do 800x600i, was nearly no flicker |
| [04:57:02] | ldiamond: | oups |
| [04:57:06] | ldiamond: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1755 |
| [04:57:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... |
| [04:57:20] | ldiamond: | stupid mIRC, copies whatever you select |
| [04:57:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: The only DLP I would ever own would be a triple-chip DLP... no color wheel, no flicker... |
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| [04:59:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: wow, no kidding... $2460 vs $3999 ... but they say "recent version does not have english menu'... Gee, it could be flashed, right? ;-) |
| [05:02:48] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Dunno TBH, mine came w/ english menu |
| [05:04:15] | ldiamond: | wow, that should do it: http://www.tddirect.ca/products/32654/USBDVI4 . . . 0MANAGEMENT/ |
| [05:04:36] | thedarkone: | well iamlindoro what refresh rate should i use with vga part |
| [05:04:41] | thedarkone: | 85 |
| [05:04:49] | ldiamond: | check ur projector's spec |
| [05:05:02] | ldiamond: | get closer to the max |
| [05:05:03] | iamlindoro: | depends on your projector, use the link your were provided earlier to find modelines that won't blow it out |
| [05:05:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: to prevent tearing, use 60hz. |
| [05:05:40] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [05:05:45] | thedarkone: | i was using 87 |
| [05:05:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: just my 2cents, but that's what the video rate is anyways, HD or SD... |
| [05:05:58] | thedarkone: | sg |
| [05:06:01] | thedarkone: | sd |
| [05:06:19] | ldiamond: | j-e-f-f-A wouldnt 60hz produce flickering with 60hz light..? |
| [05:06:19] | iamlindoro: | he meant, "regardless of whether SD or HD," it wasn't a question |
| [05:06:30] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [05:06:49] | ldiamond: | or whatever, might not be flickering |
| [05:06:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | ldiamond: no, the projector is probably producing the picture at 120hz anyways. |
| [05:07:14] | ldiamond: | but any source of ambiant light |
| [05:07:18] | ldiamond: | a lightbulb or anything |
| [05:07:30] | ldiamond: | unless its completely dark in there. |
| [05:07:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ...but normal video is only 60 frames per second, so no need to go higher. On a CRT you'd probably notice flicker, but not on dlp, or LCD. |
| [05:08:02] | ldiamond: | indeed |
| [05:09:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | ldiamond: with DLP you're more likey to see the rainbow effect than any type of flickering... because it's flashing a Red picture, then a Blue Picture, then a Green picture, and sometimes a White picture, all in either 1/60 sec or 1/120 sec (ddr projectors) |
| [05:10:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | ldiamond: My vision is sensitve enought that I see the rainbows even on the DDR projectors... |
| [05:13:12] | RyeBrye: | there is still no multirec support for the hdhomerun, right? |
| [05:14:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: I'm not sure... but I'm enjoying mine... ;-) Freed up 2 PCI slots with it... (removed HD-3000 and HD-5500) |
| [05:16:21] | RyeBrye: | Maybe I'll just get 2 of them :) |
| [05:23:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: I got mine at Micro Center this week for $159 – somebody said they were on newegg for like $140 with free shipping – I didn't validate that though... |
| [05:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm. current check shows the price at $168.99, so I think I did ok... ;-) |
| [05:25:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: Ah, it was amazon... $141.50, free shipping. |
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| [06:06:46] | harvest316: | Where do I submit a custom mysql script that adds front-end functionality? |
| [06:08:55] | harvest316: | I made a small trigger on table "recorded" that makes bookmarked recordings show up in a separate category in "Watch Recordings". |
| [06:09:15] | harvest316: | But dont know where/how to share it with rest of mythtv community. |
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| [06:19:48] | mzb_d800: | is it possible to have (say) some sort of setting on a recording so that shows of that type are always zoomed? |
| [06:20:34] | mzb_d800: | I'd have hoped that a Playback Group would have done that ... but my understanding of playback groups is (obviously) not that good |
| [06:21:47] | mzb_d800: | or should I really be looking for auto-zoom? |
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| [06:45:23] | RyeBrye: | harvest316 – either submit it as a patch to the bug tracker, or make a page for it on the wiki would be my guess of two places to put it |
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| [06:57:45] | harvest316: | thankyou! |
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| [07:30:28] | Solaris444: | Hi guys. Is there a way to just turn on a channel and hit "record" so that the video will be saved to your library instead of having to schedule the recording? |
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| [07:33:21] | vtvt: | hi all can someone spare sometime to to help me with setting up mythtv database thing ' iv installed everything but still cant login the database. |
| [07:34:08] | vtvt: | this is my 4 night' very frustrating' |
| [07:34:32] | vtvt: | anyone help :S.. |
| [07:34:45] | Solaris444: | when you say... |
| [07:35:02] | Solaris444: | "installed", do you mean you installed mysql? |
| [07:35:02] | vtvt: | hi |
| [07:35:13] | Solaris444: | or that you installed the mythtv backend? |
| [07:35:22] | vtvt: | yea its installed when i ran the command it said it was already installed |
| [07:35:23] | Solaris444: | or that you installed mythtv setup? |
| [07:35:32] | Solaris444: | which command? |
| [07:35:53] | vtvt: | that sudo apt-get install mysql |
| [07:35:58] | vtvt: | just to see if it was installed. |
| [07:36:14] | Solaris444: | um... right but you realise mysql is just a generic database right? |
| [07:36:29] | Solaris444: | you can't just expect mythtv to suddenly "connect". |
| [07:36:39] | Solaris444: | you have to actually create the database and the users. |
| [07:37:05] | Solaris444: | then you have to set the mysql service to run on startup. |
| [07:37:36] | vtvt: | if you could spare sometime on how to :(. |
| [07:37:58] | Solaris444: | well... i can help a little, but I'm no expert. |
| [07:38:06] | Solaris444: | I'm doing this for the first time myself too you know. |
| [07:38:11] | Solaris444: | What distro are you using? |
| [07:38:29] | Solaris444: | and what hardware are you using? |
| [07:38:36] | vtvt: | what does that mean? |
| [07:39:06] | Solaris444: | you're using linux right? |
| [07:39:17] | Solaris444: | what distribution of linux are you using? |
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| [07:39:25] | vtvt: | my hardware is p4 3 ghz 1gb ram , fx 5700 video and im using the nova T 500 |
| [07:39:32] | Solaris444: | ah good. |
| [07:39:34] | Solaris444: | ok |
| [07:39:38] | Solaris444: | i have that card as well. |
| [07:39:55] | vtvt: | using the mythubuntu 8.4 |
| [07:39:56] | Solaris444: | and what version of linux are you using? |
| [07:40:01] | Solaris444: | ok |
| [07:40:15] | Solaris444: | you can't see the card right? |
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| [07:40:38] | Solaris444: | you've been trying to run mythtv-setup and going to capture cards and it can't see your card. |
| [07:41:00] | Solaris444: | am i right? |
| [07:41:04] | vtvt: | no i havent gotten that far. |
| [07:41:21] | Solaris444: | erm.... well have you been following the instructions in mythbuntu? |
| [07:41:27] | Solaris444: | it's pretty idiot-proof you know. |
| [07:42:03] | Solaris444: | You should have run through the install procedure and clicked on the option to set up now instead of simply finishing. |
| [07:42:21] | vtvt: | its installed .. just cant run it' i get cannont connect to database |
| [07:42:34] | Solaris444: | right because the database hasn't been created. |
| [07:42:44] | Solaris444: | you have to run the setup program first. |
| [07:43:01] | vtvt: | how do i go on doing that |
| [07:43:54] | vtvt: | its it a command i need to type in the termina |
| [07:43:56] | vtvt: | l |
| [07:44:02] | vtvt: | is* |
| [07:44:11] | Solaris444: | nope |
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| [07:44:14] | Solaris444: | it's graphical. |
| [07:44:28] | Solaris444: | and it offers you a button to click once initial install is complete. |
| [07:44:41] | Solaris444: | before you reboot. |
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| [07:45:13] | vtvt: | where do i go to do this? |
| [07:46:21] | Solaris444: | well look, just try instaliing from scratch, and it will give you the option. but seriously, i don't have it in front of me but I know it is as simple as clicking the button to run the initial setup. |
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| [07:51:16] | clever: | yay, PM spam! |
| [07:52:05] | Solaris444: | you lucky boy clever |
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| [08:00:25] | Gumby: | does anyone here know how I might go about auto logging in a user without using a display manager ? |
| [08:02:03] | xris: | Gumby: there's a setting for it in fedora. dunno about other distros |
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| [08:02:22] | bsdfox_: | I believe you can set the tty to login instead of getty |
| [08:03:14] | vtvt: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWG3cR1aq7I i found on youtube with this video the same problem im getting . |
| [08:04:28] | vtvt: | anyone ? |
| [08:06:02] | bsdfox_: | might try to describe it as I doubt many people will click that link |
| [08:06:07] | vtvt: | somebody ? |
| [08:07:30] | vtvt: | when i run mythtv backend it asked me to connect to database ' i put in the correct login and pass but i get cannot connect to database |
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| [08:09:20] | vtvt: | i thought i might find some useful step through videos on setting up mythtv but instead found that video |
| [08:13:04] | justinh: | people obviously don't read documentation – what makes you think people woukd sit down & pay attention to a video? |
| [08:15:13] | justinh: | how come all the mythtv videos on youtube are lame? without exception |
| [08:15:27] | Solaris444: | justinh: Does mythtv have the ability to switch to a channel and just start recording? |
| [08:15:38] | Solaris444: | I don't mean the "livetv" type recording. |
| [08:15:43] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [08:16:11] | Solaris444: | I mean a recording which is saved automatically to my library of recordings. |
| [08:16:12] | justinh: | if you're not in 'watch tv' how would you know when to engage the recording? |
| [08:16:12] | vtvt: | i dont know much about mythtv thought it would be a straight forward install |
| [08:16:43] | Solaris444: | nono, I didn't mean that justinh. |
| [08:16:47] | justinh: | vtvt: lots of people make that mistake. they think "muh, no need to read anything, I'll just plow on regardless. They get what's comin' |
| [08:17:16] | Solaris444: | I mean I go to watctv right. I find something I want to save permanently. |
| [08:17:30] | justinh: | press the key bound to RECORD |
| [08:17:34] | justinh: | that's normally R |
| [08:17:49] | Solaris444: | ah ok. so in other words, yes it is possible. |
| [08:17:58] | Solaris444: | Because I know there are livetv recordings obviously. |
| [08:17:59] | justinh: | so in other words I told you how |
| [08:18:24] | Solaris444: | But those can get pretty numerous if you are just flicking across channels. |
| [08:18:49] | Solaris444: | justinh: I already told vtvt to run the mythbuntu setup. |
| [08:19:20] | justinh: | Solaris444: it's ok. some people are content just to keep randomly clicking on things |
| [08:20:23] | justinh: | I dunno how anybody manages to cock up a mythbuntu install anyway – it's pretty much foolproof. go figure! |
| [08:20:30] | Solaris444: | well he claims he can't connect to the database. Correct me if I'm wrong, but once the mythbuntu initial setup (not the installer) has run, the backend will start and then you just need to run your mythtv setup for the frontend. |
| [08:20:45] | vtvt: | iv read the setup pdf on mythubuntu doesnt say anything about only mythtv installed and configuration while it is running. |
| [08:20:46] | Solaris444: | I said the same thing. |
| [08:22:34] | justinh: | maybe somebody in #ubuntu-mythtv will be motivated to help |
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| [08:35:17] | schmick_: | Hi!.. need help with xmltv. Using LatinAmerica DirectTV Listing. Got populated ok, but terminal stated that the xml didn't include channel number info and must be filled manualy. My question is where do I do that and what info I use to fill it. THX. |
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| [08:36:41] | justinh: | you do that in mythtv-setup's channel editor usually |
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| [08:37:05] | justinh: | pain in the ass to have to enter channel numbers manually I know, but you get what you pay for |
| [08:37:07] | schmick_: | sure of that justinh.. but where is the info I have to use to fill it. |
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| [08:38:02] | justinh: | your TV provider? |
| [08:38:07] | schmick_: | Ohh.. no problem with fillin in the data, but.. it doesn't tell me what to fill.. the number?.. xmltvID? CallName?.. |
| [08:38:40] | schmick_: | VTR.. ... not any you might know.. it's in Chile. |
| [08:39:00] | justinh: | well, you go into the CHANNEL EDITOR in mythtv-setup |
| [08:39:10] | schmick_: | ok.. I'm there.. |
| [08:39:12] | justinh: | or if you have mythweb installed, you can edit channel details with that |
| [08:39:36] | schmick_: | I'm in the backend channel setup. |
| [08:41:08] | schmick_: | OK, to be exact.. the terminal says "Your grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you have to set them manually." |
| [08:42:02] | schmick_: | but... I'm stuck on what needs to be filled.... I'll check the xml file.. let's see.. |
| [08:42:21] | justinh: | it says CHANNEL NUMBERS |
| [08:42:41] | justinh: | so you'd have to go into mythtv-setup's channel editor and make sure each channel is numbered correctly |
| [08:43:19] | justinh: | that, among other things. it probably doesn't give you tuning information either so you have to enter that yourself too |
| [08:43:27] | schmick_: | they are correct now... I can see that the missing info is xmltvID |
| [08:43:57] | schmick_: | btw.. I can see tv and record ok.. I'm just missing the program schedule.. |
| [08:44:03] | justinh: | let me guess... you have a bunch of channels in there missing the xmltvid and a bunch of channels with xmltvid but missing numbers |
| [08:44:53] | schmick_: | nope.. just a bunch of channels with no xmltvID.. |
| [08:45:28] | schmick_: | strange ehh.. I expected an output as you state. |
| [08:46:58] | justinh: | wow. we've only gone up to blimmin third! :-O |
| [08:47:15] | schmick_: | I'll start again and I'll see if I can get to that scenario. |
| [08:47:37] | justinh: | schmick_: if all the channels are only missing xmltvids, you don't need to start again |
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| [08:48:29] | justinh: | xmltvids for channels can be found in /usr/share/xmltv/name-of-the-xmltv-grabber/channel_ids |
| [08:48:46] | justinh: | there's also a --list-channels option in the grabber I think |
| [08:49:10] | schmick_: | ok.. I'll check that and get back here with what happens.. thanks justinh. |
| [08:50:02] | justinh: | --help will probably be useful |
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| [10:35:52] | _fjh_: | Hi, I cannot receive some DVB-S channels anymore(from ARD, einsplus, einsextra etc. ) as they moved their frequencies. |
| [10:36:07] | _fjh_: | I tried to enter the new one in various ways, but failed. |
| [10:36:15] | Saviq: | _fjh_: rescan |
| [10:36:59] | _fjh_: | Saviq, I already did that. But it did not change anything. |
| [10:37:14] | _fjh_: | Are there options I need to specify? |
| [10:38:30] | Saviq: | if they moved frequencies, you'd have to do a full scan |
| [10:38:31] | _fjh_: | I cannot remember when I did it the first time, but I think I needed to seed it with some start values somehow? Maybe this mis missing now? |
| [10:39:03] | Saviq: | or scan wanted multiplexes one-by-on |
| [10:39:04] | Saviq: | e |
| [10:40:24] | Saviq: | I don't recommend doing full scans, 'cause that will get you with some 3k channels or so |
| [10:42:08] | _fjh_: | Ok, so I go to some website, search for a paramter and do some sort of 'limited scan'. Do you know the name of the parameter? |
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| [10:42:43] | _fjh_: | I tried to enter a five digit channel number manually(with mythweb), but this did not help either. |
| [10:43:06] | Saviq: | channel number? |
| [10:43:20] | Saviq: | go to mythtv-setup |
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| [10:43:36] | Saviq: | and you have to put the frequency and polarisation of the multiplex |
| [10:44:20] | Saviq: | frequency is a 5 digit number (add three 0 at the end), polarisation is H or V |
| [10:45:14] | _fjh_: | Downlink-Frequenz (GHz): 10,7438 |
| [10:45:25] | _fjh_: | six? |
| [10:45:43] | _fjh_: | Transponder: &n bsp; 51 |
| [10:45:48] | _fjh_: | horizontal |
| [10:46:16] | Saviq: | yes, six may be |
| [10:46:29] | Saviq: | then in mythtv you should put 10743800 |
| [10:46:32] | Saviq: | as the frequency |
| [10:46:38] | Saviq: | and choose H as the polarisation |
| [10:46:52] | _fjh_: | Ok thanks. Will go up and try! |
| [10:47:06] | _fjh_: | Do I need to stop the backend first? |
| [10:47:09] | Saviq: | yes |
| [10:47:17] | _fjh_: | ok thanks again |
| [10:47:20] | Saviq: | np |
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| [11:15:39] | liri: | I've seen an IR transceiver on an online store which received a feedback that it is supported with WinLIRC so I'm wondering if it will also be supported in lircd under linux? |
| [11:17:23] | Sulx: | what do you think?-) |
| [11:20:25] | mzb_d800: | ok, so I have a number of 4:3 recordings that were transmitted in 16:9 (I think). How do I get these to play fullscreen? |
| [11:20:40] | mzb_d800: | atm I'm pressing zoom twice |
| [11:20:47] | mzb_d800: | but I'd like it to be auto |
| [11:21:08] | mzb_d800: | so I'm thinking I need one of: |
| [11:21:32] | mzb_d800: | a) auto-zoom (feature has been discussed but not sure of availability) |
| [11:21:51] | mzb_d800: | b) some sort of setting for a particular recording that either: |
| [11:22:11] | mzb_d800: | --b1) changes the playback zoom level |
| [11:22:14] | mzb_d800: | --or |
| [11:22:40] | mzb_d800: | --b2) is transcoded with the "side-bars" removed. |
| [11:22:46] | mzb_d800: | any thoughts|ideas? |
| [11:24:54] | mzb_d800: | am I missing something obvious? |
| [11:28:08] | mzb_d800: | if transcode is the only option, what is the recipe for the magic spell that needs to be invoked? ;) |
| [11:31:59] | Solaris444: | sorry mzb_d800 no idea. |
| [11:32:02] | mzb_d800: | ie: auto in any fashion reduces --WAF |
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| [11:48:23] | liri: | Sulx: I think so but I'm unsure if it's a different branch or not |
| [11:48:57] | liri: | Sulx: I mean different code-base as in a fork where possibly they might have expanded their compatibility |
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| [13:53:35] | SirFunk: | what is the recommended digital/analog capture card nowadays? most of the ones i look up seem to have flaky support? |
| [13:54:16] | justinh: | I recommend people buy cards supported by linux |
| [13:55:10] | SirFunk: | like which ones? |
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| [13:55:44] | justinh: | like ones listed on the linuxtv.org wiki in the case of digital tuners |
| [13:56:26] | SirFunk: | yeah, well the wiki says the hauppauge 1800 is supported but then i found a 8 page forum of people complaining that audio on the analog side didn't work |
| [13:56:32] | SirFunk: | the wiki makes no mention of that |
| [13:56:46] | SirFunk: | idk if the forum is out of date or what |
| [13:57:04] | justinh: | hybrid cards are a waste of time IMHO |
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| [13:57:46] | SirFunk: | yeah? |
| [13:57:48] | SirFunk: | hmm |
| [13:58:07] | SirFunk: | i don't even know if i have digital in my apartment :-P |
| [14:00:25] | SirFunk: | i could get 2 cards |
| [14:01:17] | clever: | my new 'channel change' script is working out well, aslong as i stay awake |
| [14:01:56] | SirFunk: | hmm.. whats the difference between ATSC and DVB-C ? |
| [14:02:26] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atsc |
| [14:02:27] | justinh: | DVB-C is digital video over cable, used widely in Europe |
| [14:02:41] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-C |
| [14:03:06] | SirFunk: | oh, so in the US you need an ATSC tuner? |
| [14:03:23] | justinh: | yes for over the air HDTV |
| [14:03:35] | clever: | sounds like DVB-T |
| [14:03:38] | justinh: | for digital cable you need a tuner capable of working with 'QAM' |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | DVB-T != ATSC |
| [14:04:47] | Maliuta: | yeah, cause the US has to be different from the rest of the world :P |
| [14:05:31] | justinh: | 'special', you mean |
| [14:06:08] | clever: | :(, i forgot the code to access the debug on my stb |
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| [14:07:33] | Spida: | should the debian ivtv-source package generate a ivtv.ko kernel-module when I use m-a a-i ivtv? |
| [14:07:46] | Maliuta: | justinh: special school special that is |
| [14:08:29] | SirFunk: | hmm the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1950 looks good? |
| [14:08:34] | ** justinh remembers something about ivtv queries needing to be taken elsewhere ** | |
| [14:08:35] | SirFunk: | and does digital and analog? |
| [14:08:58] | justinh: | SirFunk: if it ain't listed on the linuxtv.org wiki don't hold your breath |
| [14:09:12] | SirFunk: | that one is |
| [14:09:24] | justinh: | some supported cards are not listed there but if support is that new, you might run into problems |
| [14:09:24] | SirFunk: | but like i said so is the 1800 and there's lots of complaints of no sound |
| [14:09:44] | clever: | Spida: i was able to just 'm-a a-i' a few times(while replying properly to errors) and i got it working painlessly in ubuntu |
| [14:10:04] | clever: | the 1st major error was that m-a wasnt installed, and it then proceded to give the exact command to fix it:P |
| [14:10:17] | clever: | saves a apt-cache search |
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| [14:11:30] | ** justinh does a full trunk checkout ** | |
| [14:12:01] | Spida: | clever: it builds a package for me, but that only contains a saa717x.ko kernel-modules (and some help-pages) |
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| [14:12:46] | justinh: | I thought ivtv was in the kernel now |
| [14:13:20] | justinh: | unless you happen to be using a paleolithic age kernel.. ;) |
| [14:13:49] | clever: | justinh: i thought so to which is the whole reason i did that last dist-upgrade which broke things even more! |
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| [14:14:17] | clever: | and it did seem like it was in kernel at first, dkms automaticaly compiled ivtv AND lirc for the new kernel without even telling me |
| [14:14:27] | clever: | so i had the proper .ko files right from the start |
| [14:14:48] | mzb_d800: | clever: re debug on stb ... can't you write a script to do that for you? .... err ... when you've fixed you IR diode :)) |
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| [14:15:23] | clever: | mzb_d800: i mean the debug menu within the box itself |
| [14:15:23] | justinh: | arghh I hate blootube-wide |
| [14:15:33] | ahave: | mythdvd will properly play a DVD, but the main audio track does not come through. however, the background audio does... anyone know of a way to debug this? |
| [14:15:34] | clever: | mzb_d800: i had to hit SELECT after turning the box OFF |
| [14:15:45] | mzb_d800: | yep ... had similar issue with PIN code |
| [14:15:52] | mzb_d800: | ah .. not a PIN |
| [14:15:56] | clever: | which seems a little backwards, i was trying after i turned it on |
| [14:17:11] | clever: | i can see tons of semi usefull info |
| [14:17:32] | clever: | including the current freq its tuned to(might be usefull if i had a dvb-c) |
| [14:17:36] | SirFunk: | i suppose i should find out from my landlord if he has digital cable or not |
| [14:17:41] | SirFunk: | if not i'll just get a pvr-500 |
| [14:17:43] | SirFunk: | or something |
| [14:17:52] | clever: | right now it just says channel 28 , on freq 249.00 |
| [14:18:44] | justinh: | SirFunk: digital cable is a complete unknown – some people get only what they'd get over the air, others get everything they pay for, some get nothing at all... |
| [14:19:08] | justinh: | YMMV ;) |
| [14:19:12] | SirFunk: | yeah... is there much that is "over the air" in the us? |
| [14:19:12] | clever: | 'in band PMT' .. 'PMT TYPE PID', this feels like data about what digital channels are where |
| [14:19:19] | SirFunk: | on time warner |
| [14:19:29] | SirFunk: | i'm not going to bother paying |
| [14:19:33] | clever: | SirFunk: there was a site i saw recently which could tell you exactly what your in range of receiving |
| [14:19:39] | clever: | but i forget the url |
| [14:19:39] | justinh: | SirFunk: varies from provider to provider |
| [14:19:44] | justinh: | antennaweb.org ? |
| [14:19:47] | SirFunk: | wait, is over the air like antenna? i saw that site i get one channel |
| [14:20:12] | justinh: | what else would over the AIR mean? |
| [14:20:42] | SirFunk: | idk, that's what i thogut but something else lead me to believe it meant free stuff over cable, which was confusing :-P |
| [14:21:32] | SirFunk: | for paid-for digital cable do you need some kind of reciever box? or is paid for on the account and all jacks in the house get it? |
| [14:22:00] | clever: | all the jacks are normaly just ran off a dumb spliter, so theres no way to tell which house your signal is going to/from |
| [14:22:01] | justinh: | well, generally if you get anything for free over cable, it amounts to whatever you'd get with an antenna anyway |
| [14:22:37] | SirFunk: | clever: so you need a cable box for digital? |
| [14:22:53] | justinh: | SirFunk: generally yes |
| [14:22:55] | clever: | SirFunk: or a proper digital card and decoder card |
| [14:23:15] | justinh: | and there are no decoder cards for US cable which'd work on linux |
| [14:23:27] | SirFunk: | hmm |
| [14:23:29] | clever: | sucks to be US :P |
| [14:23:43] | SirFunk: | ok, i'll just get an analog card |
| [14:23:50] | SirFunk: | i barely watch any tv as it is |
| [14:24:20] | andreax: | Im on the search for a simple dvb-t dual tunercard for pice that runs with linux – this is hard enough... :( |
| [14:25:28] | SirFunk: | man.. it looks like newegg doesn't carry any hauppauge ntsc only cards anymore |
| [14:26:17] | clever: | it seems i have QAM on my line |
| [14:26:19] | justinh: | pci-e cards – there's one or two which'd work in linux AFAIK |
| [14:26:28] | clever: | my box is tunned to a QAM 256 channel |
| [14:27:06] | justinh: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCIe_Cards |
| [14:27:44] | andreax: | That still prevents me from buying a faster backend. My Athlon3K as backend is a lil slow for watching tv locally and with another active frontend... |
| [14:28:01] | justinh: | what?! |
| [14:28:13] | Spida: | andreax: athlon3k to slow? |
| [14:28:16] | andreax: | Yeah. This site looks a lil smaller than the on for just pci.... |
| [14:28:23] | justinh: | my athlon 800Mhz with 512MB ram could serve 2 other frontends at the same time as playing livetv !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [14:28:36] | mzb_d800: | andreax: dvico dual digital 4 (rev 1) is a popular one |
| [14:28:38] | justinh: | it worked just fine |
| [14:28:55] | Spida: | andreax: are you getting HD-content? which resolution? |
| [14:29:02] | justinh: | HD has nothing to do with it |
| [14:29:16] | andreax: | Yeah, it seems. In some circumstances the remote frontend stops sometimes the playback – I don't know exactly where's the bottleneck... |
| [14:29:24] | justinh: | even HD is a max of 18Mbits/sec |
| [14:29:35] | justinh: | if something is slow it's more likely to be the video subsystem |
| [14:29:56] | justinh: | i.e. not having working Xv in X |
| [14:29:57] | mzb_d800: | it's more drive speed and (possibly) PCI bus bandwidth, imo ... depends how the machine's built |
| [14:30:20] | Spida: | justinh: compressed, yes. but you should have some decompression-power to actually SEE the content.... |
| [14:30:28] | justinh: | drive speed & bus speed shouldn't begin to have any bearing on a system dealing with 2 HD streams |
| [14:30:44] | andreax: | got 3 dvb-t tuners in it (2 aver 771 cards) and one dvb-t stick msi digivox... locally all is fine... But im still not sure which pc I've to blame... |
| [14:30:50] | ajh: | What distribution? |
| [14:30:53] | mzb_d800: | does on a slow drive .. or a system with a slow IDE interface |
| [14:31:00] | justinh: | mzb_d800: unlikely |
| [14:31:01] | andreax: | gentoo on all.... |
| [14:31:15] | ajh: | I had issues with bad kernel drivers for dvb-s cards sucking up all the interrupts |
| [14:31:16] | mzb_d800: | funny ... that's what the evidence showed me |
| [14:31:23] | justinh: | even the slowest HDD would be able to cope.. in theory |
| [14:31:36] | ahave: | is this the proper channel for mythdvd support? |
| [14:31:49] | justinh: | no try #mythdvd |
| [14:31:49] | andreax: | Maybe I've just to blame the other frontend... im not sure at the moment, I've no idea how to troubleshoot this |
| [14:31:51] | ajh: | justinh, did you factor in fragmentation and non-sequential reads/writes? |
| [14:32:05] | justinh: | ajh: doesn't really become an issue IME |
| [14:32:16] | ajh: | andreax, try grabbing and building a stock kernel. |
| [14:32:18] | mzb_d800: | does on a slow drive! |
| [14:32:20] | justinh: | 30–40Mbits/sec is bugger all |
| [14:32:30] | ajh: | My load went from 100% to 6%. |
| [14:32:36] | justinh: | if you can't haul that out of it, there's something seriously wrong somewhere |
| [14:33:01] | ajh: | Yeah, there are plenty of places where you can generate excessive loads without being able to see them easily. |
| [14:33:20] | ajh: | Sadly it requires some real knowledge to find most of them. |
| [14:33:29] | clever: | justinh: i get 30–40 on avg with my current drive setup |
| [14:33:30] | justinh: | the system I literally threw together was recording 10 streams at the same time last time I had it powered up |
| [14:33:35] | clever: | way better then the 10mb/sec i was getting |
| [14:33:36] | ahave: | justinh: i didnt know mythdvd was a channel |
| [14:33:39] | andreax: | ajh: Tried already on both... Maybe this old (leftover) nividia 2 card is the issue – no idea... |
| [14:34:03] | justinh: | had plenty of headroom too |
| [14:34:10] | ajh: | OK, did you run iostat to see if anything excessive was happening? |
| [14:34:25] | ajh: | Yeah, once i fixed mine I had it running 18. |
| [14:34:47] | ajh: | Had other not so easy to fix issues but those were not myth related. |
| [14:35:12] | mzb_d800: | ahave: I think sarcasm might have been employed ;) |
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| [14:35:23] | ajh: | andreax, basically you need to do some basic system profiling and figure out where your power is going. |
| [14:35:32] | ajh: | If you're swapping all bets are off btw. |
| [14:35:38] | lupin_sansei: | Hello, other than the videos I want should any other files by in my myth's video folder? |
| [14:35:55] | mzb_d800: | preview images |
| [14:35:58] | lupin_sansei: | something went wrong with my import videos script, and I'm cleaning out my videos folder. What should actually be in that folder? |
| [14:36:00] | andreax: | ajh: Anything in the web where I can find assistance for that ? |
| [14:36:10] | lupin_sansei: | It seems to have the entire hard drive copied in ther! |
| [14:36:14] | ahave: | mzb_d800: heh, ya. took me abit to catch on |
| [14:36:30] | ajh: | andreax, google. :) |
| [14:36:41] | ajh: | You're basically just doing profiling/optimization. |
| [14:36:46] | andreax: | .) |
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| [14:37:02] | ajh: | You need to look at everything that is running and determine its CPU load, context switch load, and IO load. |
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| [14:37:31] | clever: | Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 3.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 91.0%id, 2.0%wa, 0.4%hi, 1.6%si, 0.0%st |
| [14:37:38] | andreax: | Okay, i will do. It would be nice to shift a new backend to the future... :) |
| [14:37:43] | clever: | an example of a box with very little load |
| [14:37:47] | ajh: | Hopefully you can stay outside the kernel, but if you do need to, then you have lots of trace tools out there. You can get some help on those if you check the proceedings from the Linux Symposium for the last n years, there's always a tracing paper. |
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| [14:38:28] | roz_: | will removing the .nuv file from the video directory remove it from the database? I want to move a file to a different location and restore it later |
| [14:38:38] | ajh: | clever, yeah I run about that with commflag running. |
| [14:38:47] | lupin_sansei: | So is it okay to just empty out my video's folder of things I don't want? |
| [14:39:02] | roz_: | clever thanks again for all your help last night |
| [14:39:03] | clever: | ajh: with flagging going, id want to see it more like 90% niced not 90% idle |
| [14:39:26] | ajh: | Cpu(s): 3.0%us, 5.9%sy, 26.4%ni, 63.9%id, 0.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [14:39:31] | ajh: | THat's with 2 commflags. |
| [14:39:34] | clever: | roz_: and my memory is so bad after staying up all night baby sitting my channel changer, that i forget what i helped you with:P |
| [14:40:03] | roz_: | running transcode on multiple machines |
| [14:40:03] | clever: | ajh: by default mythcommflag wastes alot of time doing nothing, so that your framegrabber has a chance to catch up |
| [14:40:17] | ajh: | Cpu(s): 3.0%us, 5.9%sy, 26.4%ni, 63.9%id, 0.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [14:40:30] | ** ajh kicks paste buffer. ** | |
| [14:41:03] | ajh: | Yeah, I'm looking forward to the switch to Mpeg4, no more transcoding here. |
| [14:41:31] | clever: | ajh: even if you have a pure digital card, the default makes room for your framegrabber you never had:P |
| [14:41:37] | ajh: | I expect the 4 Elgato h.264 sticks to arrive tomorrow though. |
| [14:41:52] | roz_: | clever, do you know if removing the nuv file from the directory will cause anything bad to happen? |
| [14:42:07] | clever: | roz_: if you delete the nuv file, you loose the recording:P |
| [14:42:08] | ajh: | Wish I could afford the disc space to pre-scale. |
| [14:42:27] | roz_: | clever, I just want to move it, and put it back later :) |
| [14:42:35] | clever: | roz_: ahh, you should be fine then |
| [14:42:42] | clever: | roz_: moving to another partition or another comp? |
| [14:42:54] | roz_: | another comp |
| [14:43:00] | ajh: | Eventually I'd like to go to pre-scaled to native resolution, de-interlaced, and in whatever format uses the least cpu to decode. |
| [14:43:05] | clever: | ah |
| [14:43:05] | clever: | been there, done that |
| [14:43:16] | clever: | i pushed 20gig of files into an unstable laptop hdd to make room |
| [14:43:19] | ajh: | De-interlacing in advance makes a huge difference. |
| [14:43:21] | notjoe: | has anyone successfully gotten mythtv to play videos from a mythtv backend? |
| [14:43:23] | notjoe: | on a ps3 |
| [14:43:39] | ajh: | are you mounting the directory locally using nfs? |
| [14:43:45] | roz_: | clever, and the DB will stay sane? |
| [14:44:14] | clever: | roz_: i also ran a slave backend on there(was allready running it) and i updated the db to know about that new location |
| [14:44:17] | ajh: | roz, you could also just copy them to mythvideo and delete them. |
| [14:44:31] | clever: | so it continued to play like normal for me |
| [14:44:33] | ajh: | That's basically what I'm doing so I can sort by type, season, etc. |
| [14:44:49] | roz_: | clever, that makes sense |
| [14:45:09] | clever: | oops |
| [14:45:14] | clever: | i /quit by mistake |
| [14:45:42] | ajh: | wonder how many usb2 drives I can stack on the backend. |
| [14:46:22] | clever: | ajh: i got 1 before i ran out of desktop enclosures |
| [14:47:01] | clever: | i also have a laptop hdd enclosure |
| [14:47:21] | clever: | but those arent as large and it lacks a power suply |
| [14:47:31] | clever: | ive had the hdd brown out from too much load on the USB system |
| [14:47:47] | roz_: | gonna have 3 boxes transcoding before the day is over |
| [14:47:51] | roz_: | Thanks again clever |
| [14:48:04] | clever: | :) |
| [14:48:14] | clever: | it seems my compiles are done |
| [14:48:26] | clever: | now to install them |
| [14:48:48] | clever: | or not, busy recording |
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| [14:53:09] | notjoe: | if i rename the .mpg files which get transcoded to mp4 and update the basename within the recorded table is there anything else i need to do so that the upnp server sees that change? it still tries to access the .mpg file and not the .mp4 file |
| [14:53:57] | clever: | if i rename a .exe to .txt can i read it with notepad:P |
| [14:54:14] | ahave: | what command will return the version of mythtv? |
| [14:54:21] | clever: | ahave: mythbackend --version |
| [14:54:25] | notjoe: | if you associate .exe with notepad you can open it |
| [14:54:32] | ahave: | clever: thanks |
| [14:54:36] | mzb_d800: | clever: you mean niced transcoding like this? => |
| [14:54:37] | mzb_d800: | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 1.3%sy, 97.4%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 1.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [14:54:43] | notjoe: | clever: other mythtv frontends will play back the video without problems |
| [14:54:49] | notjoe: | the .mp4 |
| [14:54:57] | clever: | mzb_d800: yes thats how it should look when transcoding |
| [14:54:57] | notjoe: | since i updated the basename field |
| [14:55:12] | clever: | notjoe: yeah mythtv doesnt care what the extension is, but dumb things like the ps3 do:P |
| [14:55:29] | notjoe: | clever: that is exactly my problem |
| [14:55:39] | notjoe: | the .mpg files are getting transcoded to mp4 |
| [14:55:44] | notjoe: | keeping the .mpg extension |
| [14:55:56] | notjoe: | and the ps3 doesnt see that it is a mpeg4 file |
| [14:56:06] | clever: | then complain to sony:P |
| [14:56:10] | notjoe: | if i update the basename field within the recorded |
| [14:56:15] | clever: | tell them they make crappy products |
| [14:56:21] | notjoe: | so it has the .mp4 extension |
| [14:56:30] | notjoe: | the ps3 sees it as mp4 |
| [14:56:39] | notjoe: | but when it tries to play it the file isnt found |
| [14:56:54] | notjoe: | if i symlink the .mpg file back to the mp4 |
| [14:57:04] | notjoe: | it thinks the data is corrupted |
| [14:57:04] | clever: | you may need to rebuild the upnp database thing |
| [14:57:15] | notjoe: | so how would i go about that |
| [14:57:22] | clever: | it rebuilds itself every 5–10mins |
| [14:57:23] | mzb_d800: | that's a bit odd ... I've just done a rebuild to latest .21-fixes ... and now I'm getting weird flickering+jerking on playback ... eventually degrading to NVP prebuffering pauses ... *sigh* |
| [14:57:31] | clever: | which is a bit anoying since i dont even use upnp |
| [14:59:25] | notjoe: | i tried throwing mythtv on the ps3 with the ubuntu distro |
| [14:59:26] | notjoe: | fail |
| [14:59:31] | notjoe: | playback is choppy |
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| [15:00:07] | mzb_d800: | hooked up pedal-power-assistance? |
| [15:01:09] | justinh: | ps3 linux is still awaiting accelerated video support. i.e. it's next to useless |
| [15:01:56] | notjoe: | that would explain it :) |
| [15:04:38] | notjoe: | can i force the upnp db update |
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| [15:18:33] | notjoe: | interesting |
| [15:18:43] | notjoe: | i copied the .mp4 file over the ps3 |
| [15:18:47] | notjoe: | and it wont even play it there |
| [15:19:19] | wagnerrp: | notjoe: the ps3 is very finicky with mp4s |
| [15:19:42] | wagnerrp: | it has to be (LC)AAC audio and AAC video |
| [15:19:57] | wagnerrp: | the video can be at most profile 4.1, with no B-trees |
| [15:20:25] | wagnerrp: | err... AVC video |
| [15:20:34] | wagnerrp: | h.264 |
| [15:20:38] | ajh: | clever, I'm hoping there's a bulk power supply for these lacies. |
| [15:20:46] | ajh: | Then I can just rack them. |
| [15:21:04] | ajh: | Xserve would be nicer, but I haven't talked myself into one of those yet. :) |
| [15:22:50] | clever: | im running one of my installs thru a chop shop |
| [15:22:51] | notjoe: | can i cant send my transcode profile to encode to those specs |
| [15:22:56] | clever: | cutting everything out |
| [15:23:44] | ajh: | oh is there an on-the-fly way to turn off commercial skip? It occassionally finds 'commercials' in the middle of movies. |
| [15:23:48] | clever: | theres 100mb used in just the kernel! |
| [15:24:18] | clever: | ajh: hit M while playing, you can change the way it reacts to the flags |
| [15:24:18] | clever: | i perfer notify |
| [15:24:44] | ajh: | Ah, ok I'll have to add that to my remote, thanks. |
| [15:24:48] | notjoe: | you guys dont use a script like removecommercials? |
| [15:24:59] | ajh: | I remove them by hand in the end. |
| [15:25:08] | ajh: | but I also cut out a pile of other stuff. |
| [15:25:46] | clever: | notjoe: if he did, he would have lost half the movie:P |
| [15:25:52] | ajh: | To make American mystery shows interesting you need to cut out about 50% of the content where they slowly explain things in advance so you don't get shocked :) |
| [15:26:01] | clever: | its finding comercials whenever the scene turns dark for a moment |
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| [15:26:34] | ajh: | Yeah, is the no-commercial flag no longer used? |
| [15:26:56] | clever: | the flag marks are inacurate sometimes |
| [15:27:04] | clever: | so i perfer to avoid any automatic cutting of the shows |
| [15:29:34] | ajh: | anyone doing a frontend on a Studio Hybrid yet? |
| [15:30:00] | ajh: | Looks almost ideal. |
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| [15:31:38] | ajh: | If you leave the drive out and run it from iSCSI looks perfect. |
| [15:32:18] | petre: | If I copy an mpeg file into /myth/tv, will it show up in the list of recordings? |
| [15:32:20] | clever: | ive got several systems that are able to run with root on nfs |
| [15:32:26] | clever: | so i could run it without any hdd if i wanted |
| [15:32:51] | ajh: | I'd rather use iSCSI and boot off one of the 150 1GB usb sticks I have left over. :) |
| [15:32:52] | petre: | I'm assuming something has to be entered into the database for it to appear in the list |
| [15:32:56] | clever: | but 2 of those systems are low on ram and need swap |
| [15:33:20] | clever: | ajh: id also like to add usb stick booting for my systems that cant dhcp boot |
| [15:33:33] | ajh: | and iSCSI is so much nicer than NFS. |
| [15:33:50] | clever: | all i realy need is kernel initrd and grub, then it can find nfs on its own and continue a normal nfs root boot |
| [15:34:13] | clever: | and ive never used iscsi so it would be a steeper learning curve |
| [15:34:24] | clever: | its a block level sharing so it has a few problems |
| [15:34:33] | ajh: | significantly faster though. |
| [15:34:36] | clever: | the fs can be screwed from a invalid shutdown |
| [15:34:51] | ajh: | You don't think they've thought of that? :) |
| [15:35:09] | clever: | it has the usual fs damage problems from improper shutdown |
| [15:35:11] | clever: | id think |
| [15:35:35] | clever: | but with nfs root, the server manages the fs and can safely close any files |
| [15:35:57] | clever: | aslong as the server doesnt crash you cant damage the fs itself |
| [15:35:58] | ajh: | heh, these even have tv tuners and remotes and dinovo minis as options. |
| [15:36:08] | ajh: | Anyone know if the Intel 3100 is supported yet? |
| [15:36:29] | ajh: | Wow, these things are actually really sweet. |
| [15:36:32] | clever: | ajh: also im sharing a single root between 3 systems because of the nfs |
| [15:36:40] | ajh: | Should give the mac mini a run for its money. |
| [15:36:54] | ajh: | you can do that anyway, just export it read-only. |
| [15:36:56] | clever: | with iscsi i would expect it to eat 3 times the space(1 drive per system) |
| [15:37:07] | clever: | yeah but read only isnt as easy to use |
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| [15:37:29] | clever: | ive had my desktop bootup with / read only because of a bug in the init scripts |
| [15:37:34] | clever: | it screws everything up |
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| [15:42:22] | yoohoo: | petre: yes, but you will need to import it.. you can use the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl tool to do that |
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| [15:43:38] | petre: | yoohoo: so, copy the file to the /myth/tv directory, then run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl? Any parameters? |
| [15:44:22] | yoohoo: | myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --try_default --dir /myth/tv |
| [15:44:27] | yoohoo: | then hit enter a few times |
| [15:44:57] | petre: | do I need to shutdown mythtv-backend first? |
| [15:45:05] | yoohoo: | no it needs to be running |
| [15:45:27] | petre: | ok, I'll try that; be back in a bit... |
| [15:45:37] | yoohoo: | ok |
| [15:45:50] | yoohoo: | on ubuntu, its in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl.gz |
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| [15:46:00] | yoohoo: | so you need to decompress it first |
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| [15:48:25] | petre: | I'm running knoppmyth, and myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is in the path |
| [15:48:32] | styelz: | cool |
| [15:48:45] | petre: | can I do the same thing but with a .vob file instead of .mpg? |
| [15:48:59] | styelz: | dont know |
| [15:49:16] | styelz: | id just copy it into mythvideo myself |
| [15:49:27] | styelz: | if you have it installed |
| [15:49:45] | petre: | What I'm *really* trying to do is get some video files into a state/place where I can watch them via my mvmpc front end |
| [15:50:00] | petre: | which seems to only see the recorded shows |
| [15:50:10] | styelz: | ah |
| [15:50:20] | styelz: | give it a try |
| [15:50:30] | petre: | so I'm hoping I can drop the videos into the appropriate place on the backend |
| [15:50:37] | styelz: | doubt it |
| [15:50:44] | petre: | right, what's the worst than can happen? ;-) |
| [15:51:35] | styelz: | heh |
| [15:51:53] | styelz: | mysqldump is nice |
| [15:52:08] | styelz: | ;) |
| [15:52:42] | petre: | I do have mythvideo installed, but the mvpmc doesn't seem to have access to that directory |
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| [15:53:32] | styelz: | i dont even know what an mvpmc |
| [15:53:34] | styelz: | is |
| [15:53:58] | styelz: | something something personal media centre? |
| [15:54:51] | styelz: | hmm. ok |
| [15:54:59] | petre: | It's a Hauppauge MVP media center |
| [15:55:04] | styelz: | yah |
| [15:55:09] | styelz: | just googled it |
| [15:55:12] | petre: | about the size of a Linksys router |
| [15:55:40] | petre: | the mvpmc.org project builds a new OS for it so it can talk to a myth backend |
| [15:55:46] | petre: | pretty cool, actually |
| [15:56:08] | petre: | nice & small, quiet (no fans), comes with a remote, easy to navigate |
| [15:56:10] | petre: | etc. |
| [15:56:30] | styelz: | hm |
| [15:57:00] | petre: | I just attach one to each TV wherever I want access to myth |
| [15:57:03] | petre: | family loves it |
| [15:57:17] | styelz: | neat |
| [15:57:30] | petre: | but not quite as full featured as a PC running frontend |
| [15:58:01] | petre: | ok, so myth.rebuilddatabase.pl apparently only detects .mpg files |
| [15:58:41] | iamlindoro: | It'll use whatever you want, read the --help |
| [15:58:56] | styelz: | petre: have a look at this. http://mvpmc.wikispaces.com/content |
| [16:01:06] | styelz: | petre, try the --file option |
| [16:01:24] | petre: | ok, tx |
| [16:01:26] | styelz: | or --ext |
| [16:02:49] | petre: | hmm, --help doesn't seem to work |
| [16:03:10] | styelz: | just type myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [16:03:15] | styelz: | on its own |
| [16:03:21] | petre: | oh, right, duh |
| [16:03:36] | styelz: | ther is no --help |
| [16:05:18] | iamlindoro: | the help is running without argument |
| [16:06:12] | petre: | ok, it seems to be importing it now |
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| [16:07:56] | petre: | Hey, look at that! The mvpmc sees it! Cool! |
| [16:08:33] | styelz: | yay |
| [16:09:43] | petre: | styelz: thanks for that mvpmv link, as most of the files I want to work with are avi |
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| [16:11:24] | styelz: | cool |
| [16:12:34] | rockyrock: | hi guys, i have Ubuntu 8.04.1 and I have Skystar2 card. Can i use mythtv to watch DVB channels? |
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| [16:18:07] | styelz: | rockyrock: looks like it.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=683661 .. have a look on the forum and google, loads of info there |
| [16:18:29] | styelz: | seems like its in development for 2.7 kernel though |
| [16:18:37] | styelz: | the driver |
| [16:19:13] | styelz: | that URL shows a workaround for 2.6 |
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| [16:53:11] | weevilofdoom: | to record/watch using my STB in mythtv – can i just control the STB with it's standard remote and still have it record? |
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| [17:02:30] | weevilofdoom: | ok, i'll ask later :) |
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| [17:22:19] | weevilofdoom: | ping? |
| [17:24:36] | iamlindoro: | You *could*... but you'd need to set up a manual recording rule for everything you planned to keep, and be there to change the channel, and the remote w/ the STB will be a bitch to use as it'll be multiple seconds behind... so if you mis-key, it'll be several second before you see the result. Very obnoxious. Better just to buy an IR blaster for $11 and set it up properly |
| [17:25:34] | weevilofdoom: | ok, makes sense – just wasn't seeing an exact explanation as to why IR blaster was actually needed |
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| [17:26:07] | iamlindoro: | because you presumably want myth to be able to control your STB when you have scheduled recordings and you're not actually *there* |
| [17:26:41] | weevilofdoom: | darn, i have one of the crappier STB's, too :( |
| [17:26:46] | weevilofdoom: | could be a fun one |
| [17:26:53] | weevilofdoom: | stuuupid comcast |
| [17:27:11] | iamlindoro: | most of this if well-worn ground... if you had to come up with a remote codeset I would be absolutely shocked |
| [17:27:19] | iamlindoro: | especially with comcast-- very standardized |
| [17:27:29] | iamlindoro: | I'll guess, since you say it's crappy, that you have a DCT 700 |
| [17:27:39] | iamlindoro: | and I'll probably be right ;) |
| [17:28:02] | iamlindoro: | Since Comcast probably has under 10 varieties of STB nationwide |
| [17:28:16] | weevilofdoom: | dct2244 |
| [17:28:28] | iamlindoro: | Meh, that's not bad at *all* |
| [17:28:52] | weevilofdoom: | from my experience and what i've read, they have pretty crappy IR receivers |
| [17:29:05] | weevilofdoom: | so i'll have to get that IR blaster pretty precise |
| [17:29:13] | iamlindoro: | Given the IR blaster is literally stuck on the IR eye, it's not going to be a problem :) |
| [17:29:24] | iamlindoro: | and that's speaking from having IR blasted one before |
| [17:29:31] | weevilofdoom: | fair enough! |
| [17:29:54] | dustybin: | i installed mythbuntu onto a future frontend box, 2 problems, 1) it wouldnt play FLAC files, 2) the OSD fonts look totally wrong |
| [17:30:18] | weevilofdoom: | so general procedure STB->Tuner Card, IR Blaster -> IR Reciever, Setup script for myth to use IR Blaster to change channel, but have tuner always on channel 3? |
| [17:30:52] | iamlindoro: | weevilofdoom: Last step only necessary if you're using the RF coaxial out on the STB-- I would advise S-video or Composite if possible |
| [17:30:58] | iamlindoro: | but yes, otherwise you're exactly right |
| [17:31:19] | weevilofdoom: | hmm.. didn't appear to have s-video out on the STB |
| [17:31:30] | iamlindoro: | Composite would still be better |
| [17:31:35] | iamlindoro: | anything's better than RF |
| [17:31:37] | weevilofdoom: | my tuner has s-video in |
| [17:31:46] | weevilofdoom: | but i'm not looking for anything near HD, either |
| [17:32:04] | weevilofdoom: | only have a WinTV framegrabber for the time being |
| [17:32:13] | iamlindoro: | RF is really truly awful-- use *anything* but it if you can |
| [17:32:15] | weevilofdoom: | (coax and s-video in) |
| [17:32:17] | iamlindoro: | just a word to the wise |
| [17:32:40] | weevilofdoom: | dustybin, got all the correct codecs? OSD Fonts i am not sure of |
| [17:33:14] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: #ubuntu-mythtv would be wiser to see what they compile support in for, although that should be there, and the OSD fonts are easily changeable from the menus |
| [17:35:08] | weevilofdoom: | $11 for IR Blaster isn't that bad considering it cost almost that to build yourself (not factoring in how much your time is worth) |
| [17:35:43] | weevilofdoom: | USB might be my only option, though ... |
| [17:37:14] | weevilofdoom: | serial ports are hard to come by these days :P |
| [17:37:37] | iamlindoro: | Serial->USB cable will work, otherwise the MCE remote and USB receiver are really really nice and about $30 at Fry's |
| [17:38:24] | weevilofdoom: | ohh yeah, ok, i do have a couple SIIG ftdi serial->usb |
| [17:39:45] | weevilofdoom: | http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=JU-000061-S1 |
| [17:39:47] | weevilofdoom: | those guys |
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| [17:40:40] | weevilofdoom: | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . CjCVRqCjCVRq |
| [17:40:45] | weevilofdoom: | that's the MCE remote/receiver? |
| [17:40:49] | weevilofdoom: | how would that work with my STB? |
| [17:41:15] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that's the one. Also includes a blaster |
| [17:41:21] | weevilofdoom: | ah ok |
| [17:41:33] | weevilofdoom: | confused me .. receiver != blaster :P |
| [17:41:33] | iamlindoro: | look at the back view picture. Two phono pots, to which the blaster is attached |
| [17:41:43] | iamlindoro: | er ports |
| [17:41:55] | weevilofdoom: | ahhh ha |
| [17:44:01] | weevilofdoom: | well, doesn't seem too complicated |
| [17:44:32] | iamlindoro: | nope, not too bad. The software part is a bit laborious the first time, but once you've got it, you'll never want to help troubleshoot it because it seems so simple |
| [17:44:48] | weevilofdoom: | haha |
| [17:45:46] | weevilofdoom: | ran into a little hiccup setting up my music library last night... |
| [17:46:06] | weevilofdoom: | seems it doesn't like to access smb shares directly, had to mount it and use the mounted location |
| [17:46:09] | weevilofdoom: | other than that, psh |
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| [17:49:20] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that is normal-- all of myth's media shares need to be locally mounted |
| [17:52:07] | weevilofdoom: | ya, guess i figured it out the hard way ;) |
| [17:53:05] | ahave: | would someone mind reviewing this and tell me if warnings like line#11 are normal? http://rafb.net/p/D23v9C49.html |
| [17:55:34] | ahave: | I am having issues with mythvideo not playing the main soundtrack on dvd playback |
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| [17:56:48] | weevilofdoom: | i have yet to use for dvd playback, sorry |
| [17:57:41] | ahave: | no need to be sorry :p |
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| [17:59:31] | weevilofdoom: | says it doesn't have any ac3 channels |
| [18:01:11] | ahave: | which is odd, because i have the background audio tracks and the menu works fine |
| [18:01:58] | weevilofdoom: | also see it saying enabling audio, then disabling audio |
| [18:02:24] | weevilofdoom: | any way for you to verify that ac3 is the correct audio codec? |
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| [18:02:40] | weevilofdoom: | (i would think it is, as i think most dvd are ac3 audio) |
| [18:02:44] | weevilofdoom: | but ... seems weird |
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| [18:03:00] | ahave: | yea, i saw it enabling then disabling... but it does that also with livetv (i think) |
| [18:03:33] | ahave: | hmm, i dont know how i would confirm the correct codec |
| [18:04:49] | ahave: | the dvd, 12 monkeys, is 5.1 dolby digital... which is ac3, right? |
| [18:05:07] | weevilofdoom: | not sure – i think so |
| [18:05:37] | weevilofdoom: | i just make sure i have every codec under the sun available for mplayer :P |
| [18:05:48] | weevilofdoom: | binary codec package @ mplayerhq.hu |
| [18:06:00] | ahave: | does mythdvd use mplayer? |
| [18:06:05] | ahave: | i thought it uses something else... |
| [18:06:09] | weevilofdoom: | not sure |
| [18:06:15] | weevilofdoom: | as i said, i've never used it |
| [18:06:18] | ahave: | hmm |
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| [18:07:02] | weevilofdoom: | i know for video sources (like .avi and divx etc) use mplayer by default |
| [18:07:12] | weevilofdoom: | just had to have the right codecs for most of them |
| [18:07:25] | cesman: | mythvideo will use what _you_ want it to use |
| [18:07:45] | weevilofdoom: | ya, but default i think is mplayer |
| [18:08:00] | ahave: | cesman: how can i go back and check what mythvideo is using? |
| [18:08:19] | weevilofdoom: | setup -> media settings -> video -> general |
| [18:08:28] | weevilofdoom: | somethin like that |
| [18:08:36] | cesman: | utilities/setup then the above |
| [18:09:23] | cesman: | ahave: if you install MythTV/Video from source then it is probably using Internal by default |
| [18:09:48] | ahave: | i cant remember how i installed.. it was some time ago |
| [18:09:52] | cesman: | if you are running MythTV that someone built, could be anything |
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| [18:10:35] | ahave: | i am using mythbuntu |
| [18:10:56] | weevilofdoom: | mplayer is default for most, but under file types, you can choose what type uses what player |
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| [18:11:04] | weevilofdoom: | i think VOB (dvd) is Internal by default |
| [18:11:14] | weevilofdoom: | i am using mythbuntu as well |
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| [18:12:14] | weevilofdoom: | you can check/uncheck use default, or specify your own |
| [18:14:50] | ahave: | ok, i confirmed that mplayer is set for default video player |
| [18:15:13] | ahave: | but it says dvd player command is 'internal' |
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| [18:18:12] | weevilofdoom: | try checking 'use default' |
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| [18:18:32] | weevilofdoom: | if that doesn't work, it's easy enough to uncheck it ;) |
| [18:18:39] | ahave: | i am not seeing a 'use default' |
| [18:18:52] | ahave: | only entry points i have are text fields |
| [18:19:13] | weevilofdoom: | utilities/setup -> setup -> media settings -> video settings -> file types is where you'd do that, i think |
| [18:19:31] | ahave: | oh.. |
| [18:19:31] | ahave: | ok |
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| [18:21:32] | ahave: | nope. didnt fix it |
| [18:22:31] | cesman: | ahave: I see you stated the issue was w/ DVD playback, yet you seem to be working on DVD and video (files) playback |
| [18:22:57] | cesman: | might I suggest you stick to solving you major issue before playing w/ other settings |
| [18:23:26] | ahave: | i agree |
| [18:23:52] | ahave: | i am still at a loss for what is the next step |
| [18:24:32] | cesman: | so, you issue is the Internal player won't play the main audio track? |
| [18:24:51] | ahave: | yes |
| [18:25:00] | cesman: | is this for all DVDs? |
| [18:25:06] | ahave: | i can hear the background and menu track. |
| [18:25:10] | ahave: | all DVDs that i have tried |
| [18:25:27] | ahave: | could there be a case where only a few are causing issues? |
| [18:25:41] | cesman: | could be |
| [18:25:45] | ahave: | hmm |
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| [18:26:03] | ahave: | perhaps i should try to find a DTS dvd |
| [18:26:11] | cesman: | if you have another program installed capable of playing DVDs, you can try it |
| [18:26:23] | cesman: | xine, vlc or mplayer |
| [18:28:33] | cesman: | those, you can run from an xterm |
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| [18:29:00] | cesman: | if X works, perhaps use it instead of Internal to playback DVDs |
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| [18:29:46] | ahave: | ah, ok. and just change the 'command to play dvds' in the settings |
| [18:29:54] | cesman: | yes |
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| [18:34:24] | my2keh: | anyone here have a Diseqc switch? |
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| [18:40:15] | steph_: | someonre there? |
| [18:41:01] | steph_: | hello |
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| [18:43:34] | cesman: | hello |
| [18:43:42] | thd: | hi hi |
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| [18:45:02] | my2keh: | yo |
| [18:45:24] | thd: | noob here, is it possible to use a laptop as the myth front end and have the laptop output to a TV ? |
| [18:45:56] | cesman: | yes, if your laptop as composite or svideo out |
| [18:46:35] | thd: | ok, all I have to look for is a laptop with composite / svideo out ... and that runs linux :-) |
| [18:46:35] | my2keh: | yes...or if you TV has vga in |
| [18:47:02] | thd: | have not bought the TV yet |
| [18:47:05] | cesman: | of course, your laptop would have to have VGA out |
| [18:47:08] | thd: | planning this step by step |
| [18:47:12] | my2keh: | cesman>> I'm all up and running after much work :) |
| [18:47:31] | my2keh: | thd>> yes...that is the easiest way I think is to use VGA if you have a TV with it... |
| [18:47:36] | my2keh: | that's what I do in a pinch |
| [18:48:53] | cesman: | it would be _far_ easier to find a laptop w/ svideo or composite out than vga out |
| [18:49:03] | my2keh: | really? |
| [18:49:09] | cesman: | really |
| [18:49:10] | my2keh: | Don't ALL laptops have VGA ports? |
| [18:49:39] | thd: | listening intently :-) |
| [18:49:42] | ** cesman is thinking backwards ** | |
| [18:50:00] | cesman: | far easier on the tv side... |
| [18:50:04] | my2keh: | right...not many have svideo/composite |
| [18:50:22] | my2keh: | laptops that is |
| [18:50:27] | my2keh: | but not many TV's have VGA in |
| [18:50:29] | cesman: | no, many more have composite svideo than VGA |
| [18:50:34] | Dagmar: | Not all have VGA ports, either |
| [18:50:45] | thd: | just checked, the TV I am looking to buy has : VGA and svideo ... but does not say if svideo is in/out |
| [18:50:56] | my2keh: | it's IN |
| [18:50:58] | bsdfox_: | it's svideo in |
| [18:50:58] | Dagmar: | It's a TV, man. |
| [18:51:02] | bsdfox_: | TV's don't do output |
| [18:51:08] | my2keh: | heh |
| [18:51:09] | Dagmar: | The odds it will only have s-video outputs on it are zero. |
| [18:51:28] | thd: | well, I am only a sysadmin, not a A/V specialist :-) |
| [18:51:31] | my2keh: | i'm out! |
| [18:51:35] | my2keh: | see ya good luck |
| [18:51:37] | cesman: | later |
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| [18:51:45] | Dagmar: | Still, it's a TV. |
| [18:52:03] | Dagmar: | What use would an s-video output port on it be without at least an s-video input to make passthru? Think about it. |
| [18:52:37] | thd: | ask me about linux clusters, I can help ... I came here so you people can help me with TV's :-) |
| [18:52:50] | thd: | I will keep that in mind ... |
| [18:53:25] | thd: | now going off to find a laptop with svideo and or vga out ... |
| [18:53:32] | thd: | and runs linux nice |
| [18:53:46] | Dagmar: | Look for stuff with Intel chipsets |
| [18:53:59] | thd: | ok, thanks for the help ! |
| [18:54:02] | cesman: | take a live cd w/ you |
| [18:54:06] | Dagmar: | Not so much for an Intel CPU, but for the Intel video chipset |
| [18:54:21] | thd: | sure, will take knopix and ubuntu when I test |
| [18:54:23] | Dagmar: | Yeah, an Ubuntu Live CD will be invaluable for scoping the demo machines out |
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| [18:54:49] | Dagmar: | You want to probably avoid ATI laptop chipsets, and nVidia laptop chipsets will be equally unhelpful for different reasons |
| [18:55:24] | thd: | hmmm, my work laptop is an el cheapo thing, but I have been running only linux on it for almost 2 years ... and I think it has vga out ... |
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| [18:55:39] | thd: | I might just install the front end on it and test |
| [18:56:27] | thd: | any gotchas I should look out for when using mythtv split into front / back ? |
| [18:56:41] | Dagmar: | Don't count on wireless throughput |
| [18:56:48] | thd: | damn |
| [18:56:50] | thd: | ok :-) |
| [18:57:07] | Dagmar: | Unless you live in the outback with no microwave ovens, cordless phones, or old people about |
| [18:57:15] | thd: | lol |
| [18:58:10] | thd: | thanks again all ... |
| [18:58:23] | ** iamlindoro submits his paper on the interference effect of octagenarians on wifi signals ** | |
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| [18:59:00] | iamlindoro: | It's corollated with the radio reflective properties of Depends, I'm sure of it. |
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| [19:04:14] | styelz: | heh |
| [19:06:15] | Dagmar: | Today shall be fun. I'm going to the Harley store to buy stuff for my scooter. |
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| [19:08:24] | ajhtiredwolf: | Hey I am having a problem scanning for channels, for some reason in the setup, as soona s i say scan for channels, it will close out, then if I start the frontend it will only show one channel 0_o |
| [19:08:51] | Dagmar: | What kinda media are you recieving? |
| [19:08:59] | Dagmar: | NTSC, ATSC, DVB? |
| [19:09:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, telivions ntsc us-cable |
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| [19:09:16] | Dagmar: | You don't need to scan for channels. |
| [19:09:27] | Dagmar: | So, there's one simplified thing. |
| [19:09:42] | Dagmar: | It's way, way, easier to tell it to just pull the list of channels from your listings provider. |
| [19:09:56] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I think I tried that but had a problem, one sec |
| [19:10:07] | Dagmar: | Everything else will be huge problems by comparison |
| [19:10:51] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, fetch channels from listings source? |
| [19:10:55] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [19:11:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yeah when i do that it does nothing |
| [19:11:13] | Dagmar: | You put the username and password in for SD, right? |
| [19:11:51] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, no where at? |
| [19:11:54] | Dagmar: | Like, it should change part of that screen to show the name of your cable provider and it's provider number |
| [19:11:57] | Dagmar: | Ah... In mythtv-setup |
| [19:12:05] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, which section/ Im looking for it |
| [19:12:12] | Dagmar: | One of the first three? |
| [19:12:14] | Dagmar: | I dunno which one |
| [19:12:19] | Dagmar: | They're pretty obvious |
| [19:12:32] | Dagmar: | Basically, what you do in mythtv-setup is very simple. |
| [19:12:45] | Dagmar: | You will 1) tell it about your tuner cards |
| [19:12:56] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yar, I think that i configured most things correctory |
| [19:12:56] | Dagmar: | Then 2) tell it about a listings source (which is going to be SD for us) |
| [19:13:10] | Dagmar: | Then 3) link the listings source to the tuners |
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| [19:13:25] | Gumby: | doe anyone here roll their own .deb packages for myth? |
| [19:13:31] | ajhtiredwolf: | Ok you mean on lsitnings grabber? |
| [19:13:41] | Dagmar: | Somewhere during hte 2) bit on the same screen it has boxes for the login and password, is another button to click on to make it go poll immediately |
| [19:13:48] | Dagmar: | Then it'll change that bit to show your cable provider |
| [19:13:56] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, should i set it to north american Schedulesdirect.rog |
| [19:14:02] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [19:14:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, does myth tv have a user name and pass? or do i ahve to apy for it? |
| [19:14:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I went to their site and saw that it was a subscription |
| [19:14:33] | Dagmar: | You have to pay for a yearly subscription, but $20 is nothing compared to the hassle this is without it... |
| [19:14:44] | Dagmar: | ...and if nothing else the 7-day free demo lets you get the channel lineup |
| [19:15:14] | Dagmar: | So there is just about zero reason to even putz around with trying to scan for NTSC us-cable channels |
| [19:15:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, is it really that hard? tvtime does it fine :p |
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| [19:16:15] | Dagmar: | I think it's a matter of it's incredibly easier to just get the lineups from somewhere |
| [19:17:29] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, mmm according to this it is 20$ every two months, and I dont see a demo :-\ |
| [19:17:50] | Dagmar: | Where's it say this? |
| [19:18:11] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, oh wait never mind |
| [19:18:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, 2 months is 5$ |
| [19:18:27] | Dagmar: | ...from www.schedulesdirect.org "The cost of membership is currently US$20/year, with a 7 day free trial." |
| [19:18:28] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, i still dont see the demo though |
| [19:18:59] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I don't think I've heard of anyone who can afford cable having a serious problem with the $20/year |
| [19:19:06] | Dagmar: | I'm paying more than than in "mystery fees" |
| [19:19:19] | Dagmar: | You know, the ones the cable company can never quite explain what they're dor |
| [19:19:22] | Dagmar: | s/dor/for/; |
| [19:19:33] | bsdfox_: | schedules direct is very worth it ajhtiredwolf |
| [19:19:37] | Dagmar: | 7-day free trial, "demo" same deal |
| [19:19:52] | bsdfox_: | basically you're blowing it if you're still using some XML grabber |
| [19:20:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I guess my main concern is that ive never been able to get mythtv to work in the past and i want to make sure it does firs |
| [19:20:11] | Dagmar: | Yer talking to guys who all but visibly shiver at the idea of trying to go back to using xmltv and a grabber that'll break without warning |
| [19:20:34] | Dagmar: | ajh: Well, the 7-day trial is free, and doesn't require anything other than you to set it up. |
| [19:20:44] | Dagmar: | It's not like they can sneak a charge in on your credit card or something. |
| [19:20:46] | Dagmar: | They use Paypall |
| [19:21:02] | Gumby: | Does anyone know how I need to version my .deb so that this doesnt happen. mythvideo depends on libmyth-0.21–0 (>= 0.21.0+fixes16838); however: Version of libmyth-0.21–0 on system is 0.21.0~fixes16838–0ubuntu3.2. The original version was 0.21.0~fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1 |
| [19:21:07] | Dagmar: | As online hippies go, this one is very "open source hippie friendly". ;) |
| [19:21:21] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, lol alright one sec |
| [19:21:48] | Dagmar: | Gumby: You made the deb, right? |
| [19:21:54] | Gumby: | dagar: correct |
| [19:22:22] | Gumby: | I changed the changelog version to 0.21.0~fixes16838–0ubuntu3.2 from 0.21.0~fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1 |
| [19:22:34] | Gumby: | I read thats all I need to do but aparently not |
| [19:22:39] | Dagmar: | Oh... The changelog is just fluff |
| [19:22:53] | Gumby: | ah, what must I change then? |
| [19:22:54] | Dagmar: | There's anotehr field somewhere in the deb control file to change, I'm pretty certain |
| [19:23:12] | Dagmar: | I don't do .debs, and I kinda detest RPM, but they both perform the same basic functions |
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| [19:25:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, hmmm fetch channel from listings still doesnt appaer to do anything. |
| [19:25:28] | Dagmar: | This is on the same screen where you put in the username and password, right? |
| [19:25:50] | Dagmar: | I so seldom have to mess with that part of mythtv-setup I'd have to go in the other room and run it to be more specific than that |
| [19:26:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, no this was in a different section |
| [19:26:25] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, retrieve line ups appears to ahve done something |
| [19:26:30] | Dagmar: | Yeah, there's a button which should probably be made more obvious on that screen |
| [19:26:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, Should I run the frontend and see if its working? |
| [19:26:45] | Dagmar: | Like, it should pulse or something so people click on it after putting in the l/p |
| [19:26:46] | Dagmar: | Not yet |
| [19:26:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, alrighty, what woudl you recommend I do next? |
| [19:27:04] | Dagmar: | With mysqld running, from the console, run `mythfilldatabase` |
| [19:27:17] | Dagmar: | That's pretty much the one time you have to run it manually |
| [19:27:18] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, it actually does that on exit |
| [19:27:43] | Dagmar: | After that there's a screen you'll find in the frontend setup menus that lets you tell it to make the backend run mythfilldatabase on it's own each day from then on |
| [19:27:50] | iamlindoro: | only if by it you mean "some script put in my your distro, probably mythbuntu," and not mythtv-setup itself |
| [19:28:03] | Dagmar: | Yours runs mythfilldatabase upon exiting mythtv-setup? |
| [19:28:12] | Dagmar: | It'll be like 400 lines of text scroll |
| [19:28:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yep it does |
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| [19:28:29] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: mythbuntu. Replaces actual binaries with scripts to call them, ewww |
| [19:28:34] | Dagmar: | Well then you should be able to see listings and channels in the frontend then |
| [19:28:50] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Well, that particular thing to do is a pretty good bit of work |
| [19:28:53] | borga2: | anyone know where I can find the db entries LCDServerHost? |
| [19:29:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | Haha, dont tell me your antibuntu :p |
| [19:29:12] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: True, but messes up all sorts of troubleshooting in other cases |
| [19:29:22] | Dagmar: | I can think of zero use cases where you'd enter the l/p and then *not* fetch listings immediately |
| [19:29:53] | borga2: | As my frontend lcd stoped working and after I manually restarted it it asked for server name and I wrongly entered the backend address! |
| [19:30:20] | Dagmar: | I've no LCD panel so no clue here |
| [19:30:21] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, grrr I still cant change channels, just shows that ONE channel |
| [19:30:45] | Dagmar: | ajh: Go back into mythtv-setup and the last screen should be showing a lot of channels |
| [19:31:03] | Dagmar: | If it ain't just start UNsetting things and re-entering them until it does |
| [19:31:24] | ajhtiredwolf: | Yep it doest |
| [19:31:28] | Dagmar: | I suspect something may have gotten stuck from your first pass through where it apparently only defined one channe |
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| [19:31:40] | Dagmar: | You did associate the tuner with the listings source? |
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| [19:32:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, in input connections? |
| [19:33:30] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [19:33:45] | Dagmar: | There's a screen that's just a big box with lines of text for each possible input method and route |
| [19:33:57] | Dagmar: | Tuner 1, Composite 1, all that jazz |
| [19:34:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yeah |
| [19:34:10] | Dagmar: | That screen is where you assign your listings source to the tuner |
| [19:34:43] | ajhtiredwolf: | right then one that i want is Television |
| [19:34:57] | ajhtiredwolf: | /dev/video0) (TElevision) -V EIT |
| [19:35:07] | Dagmar: | EIT? |
| [19:35:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | under Video source I have it as EiT |
| [19:35:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | Yeah |
| [19:35:20] | Dagmar: | Hmm... You're not using EIT. |
| [19:35:25] | Dagmar: | That could be part of your problem. |
| [19:35:34] | ajhtiredwolf: | Alright, how do I cahnge that? |
| [19:35:41] | Dagmar: | EIT is one of those things that if it works, you just rejoice |
| [19:35:51] | Dagmar: | Dunno. Hit enter there? |
| [19:35:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I think I was following the wrong guide |
| [19:35:59] | Dagmar: | Could be |
| [19:36:10] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I mean what do i change it to? |
| [19:36:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, my options are None and EIT |
| [19:36:25] | Dagmar: | Mainly, mythtv-setup is something you just go through each of the first five of six menu items, one at a time, filling in each blank as you go, adn your'e done |
| [19:36:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, right, but it doesnt work |
| [19:36:43] | Dagmar: | Probably "none" because EIT is definitely wrong |
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| [19:38:37] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I selected none, it doesnt appear to have helped |
| [19:38:56] | Dagmar: | Well, starting at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc9.1 might help |
| [19:39:16] | Dagmar: | Skipping just past the "general" subsection there, of course |
| [19:39:21] | teprrr: | at least my mythbuntu has "sourcedirect" or was what athat |
| [19:39:26] | Dagmar: | That's where what you do with mythtv-setup is "mostly" described |
| [19:39:30] | teprrr: | schedules direct was it.. |
| [19:39:52] | nludlam: | hi guys. can anyone enlighten me on what the difference is between 'pending' and 'scheduled' recordings are? |
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| [19:40:52] | Dagmar: | Once mythtv-setup has gotten the name of the cable provider from SD.org, it *should* show up as an option for associating with the inputs |
| [19:40:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, my setup appears to be what they describe |
| [19:41:30] | Dagmar: | Like, when you go to the next screen that has all the "/dev/video0 -> Tuner 1" stuff, you should be able to select "Comcast Cable" (or whatever it was) from the dropdowns |
| [19:41:53] | Dagmar: | If it's not, then you mii-i-i-i-ight wanna ask what _else_ they've been messing with in #MythBuntu |
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| [19:42:35] | Dagmar: | The "Input Connections" page is the one where you *should* be able to associate the Tuner inputs with the cable company |
| [19:43:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, under capture cards there is no option for cable |
| [19:44:23] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, and the only option under video source is EIT |
| [19:44:27] | Dagmar: | So... go back to the screen where you put in your SD.org l/p. It should still show your cable provider's name there |
| [19:44:33] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't, you have a problem |
| [19:45:10] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, heh in that screen all it has is user name, pass data direct lineup, perform eit scan, channel frequancy table |
| [19:45:47] | Dagmar: | On that screen it should have something that changed after you entered the l/p |
| [19:45:49] | ajhtiredwolf: | The channel frenquancy tabel is already set to Us-cable, is that is what you meant |
| [19:45:49] | iamlindoro: | Data Direct Lineup, once you have fetched them from SD, will *be* your cable co's name |
| [19:46:03] | iamlindoro: | or close to it |
| [19:46:10] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, i see, no it doesnt list it |
| [19:46:11] | Dagmar: | I'll make this simple |
| [19:46:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, it is already simgle |
| [19:46:21] | Dagmar: | Either it will be showing there, or your binary is broken. |
| [19:46:23] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, but it isnt there |
| [19:46:24] | iamlindoro: | Then you didn't set up your lineup properly at SchedulesDirect |
| [19:46:42] | Dagmar: | You DO have to login to SD.org and tell it who your cable provider is |
| [19:46:44] | iamlindoro: | You need more than a login and password there, you needto GO to schedulesdirect.org and setup the right lineup for your area, duh |
| [19:46:46] | Dagmar: | It's not psychic |
| [19:46:57] | Dagmar: | If you skipped that step, that could explain why things are failing |
| [19:47:07] | iamlindoro: | problem solved, another happy customer! |
| [19:47:11] | iamlindoro: | Next! |
| [19:47:16] | Dagmar: | Several things should have told you already to set that up in SD.org, which is why we assume you've already done it |
| [19:47:26] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, perhaps my firewall is keeping it from connecting? |
| [19:47:31] | Dagmar: | It's just a wget pull. |
| [19:47:35] | iamlindoro: | ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [19:47:41] | Dagmar: | If you can browse the web from that machine, no firewalling is going to break it |
| [19:47:47] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf: Did you GO to SD and set up a lineup on the web site??? |
| [19:47:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, I did |
| [19:48:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, should i have not done digital cable? |
| [19:48:20] | Dagmar: | So a _working_ network connection is required for that bit yeah |
| [19:48:27] | Dagmar: | hahha |
| [19:48:33] | Dagmar: | Are you ON digital cable? |
| [19:48:42] | Dagmar: | Do you have a set-top box you're using? |
| [19:48:42] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I am, however this isnt hooked up to the digital box |
| [19:48:46] | iamlindoro: | You should have set up whatever your cable source is, it's not rocket science |
| [19:48:56] | Dagmar: | Okay, so then you're not using digital cable with respect to SD.org |
| [19:49:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, the first time you set something up, it doesnt seem as easy as it does after you've set it up |
| [19:49:50] | Dagmar: | Later, once you've got the basics sorted out, you can make this more complex and try to get an IR blaster or firewire connection goign to the STB so you can use it (maybe) but if you're just plugging the coax into the back of your PVR-150/PVR-500 card, you're just using analog cable |
| [19:50:05] | Dagmar: | ajh: But in *this* case, it's all ridiculously simple |
| [19:50:14] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, it should be |
| [19:50:16] | Dagmar: | You literally just have to go through each screen one at a time |
| [19:50:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, but it isnt working |
| [19:50:23] | Dagmar: | I've done it about a dozen times myself |
| [19:50:35] | Dagmar: | I used to blow away my entire install every week and redo it |
| [19:50:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yep and i followed a guide to the letter |
| [19:50:42] | Dagmar: | "a guide" |
| [19:51:00] | Dagmar: | That really doesn't promise us much. We've no idea what might have been in that guide |
| [19:51:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I dont see any settings that i have put in incorrectly |
| [19:51:25] | ajhtiredwolf: | i've added the lineup, proper user name and pass |
| [19:51:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | clicked the button retrieve lineup |
| [19:51:34] | Dagmar: | Really, for mythtv-setup, as long as you do what I've been saying--going through each entry one by one until you hit the bottom of the main menu screen--it should all be common sense just about |
| [19:51:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, ok dagmar, your not listening to me, i HAVE done that. ive done what you said to do |
| [19:51:58] | Dagmar: | OKay, and this "clicked the button retrieve lineup" button is on the same screen as the l/p, right? |
| [19:51:58] | ajhtiredwolf: | however, it is NOT working |
| [19:52:05] | ajhtiredwolf: | yes it is |
| [19:52:06] | Dagmar: | ajh: And you're not listening to ME. |
| [19:52:13] | Dagmar: | I'm telling you this very plainly |
| [19:52:26] | Dagmar: | Either what we're telling you will work, or something is wrong with your mythbuntu binaries |
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| [19:52:43] | iamlindoro: | or the username and password are wrong :) |
| [19:52:48] | Dagmar: | Since it's apparently _not_ working, you should ask in #MythBuntu what they have done to make this more complex than necessary |
| [19:53:01] | ajhtiredwolf: | user name and password are correct |
| [19:53:05] | Dagmar: | The moment you enter your l/p and push the button on the screen with the SD.org info, part of that screen should CHANGE |
| [19:53:10] | iamlindoro: | this is a great time where *real* binaries would be nice, since if you run mythtv-setup form a terminal in mythbuntu, it just looks at you funny |
| [19:53:22] | iamlindoro: | so you have to run mythtv-setup.real |
| [19:53:25] | Dagmar: | The part that changes should show the name of your cable provider as you set it up for analog cable (NOT DIGITAL CABLE) with SD.org |
| [19:53:28] | iamlindoro: | and then the world of console output is open to you |
| [19:53:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, i ran mythtv-setup in the terminal and it loaded the screen i am at now |
| [19:53:41] | ajhtiredwolf: | I dont see any problems |
| [19:53:42] | Dagmar: | If SD.org is still set up for digital cable and not analog cable, this is why you are failing. |
| [19:53:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | I did not install mythbuntu |
| [19:53:55] | Dagmar: | Then what the hell did you install |
| [19:54:08] | sid3windr: | fail! |
| [19:54:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | sudo apt-get install mythtv |
| [19:54:24] | Dagmar: | Okay, so MythTV on ubuntu. No problem |
| [19:54:24] | iamlindoro: | holy the SAME FREAKING PACKAGES batman |
| [19:54:28] | Dagmar: | This should still work as we're saying it does |
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| [19:54:50] | Dagmar: | So have you gone back to SD.org and reconfigured it to tell it you have analog cable? |
| [19:55:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, do I edit the current lineup to do that? |
| [19:56:03] | iamlindoro: | and then if it fails to retrieve lineups, there should be lots of nice console output if they don't come when you click the button |
| [19:56:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, I am not seeing that option, hang on |
| [19:56:24] | Dagmar: | ajh: You do whatever you need to do on the schedulesdirect.org site to tell it you have analog cable |
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| [19:57:59] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, are you sure you can configure that on the webiste? |
| [19:58:04] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [19:58:09] | Dagmar: | You set it up initially on the website |
| [19:58:36] | Dagmar: | I'd login so I could tell you what to click on if I knew WTF my password was |
| [19:58:36] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, by initially, do you mean when adding a new lineup, or by creaing a new account |
| [19:58:50] | Dagmar: | I mean neither. I was speaking in past tense. |
| [19:59:02] | Dagmar: | YOU set it up when you initially set up your sd.org stuff on the sd.org site |
| [19:59:10] | Dagmar: | It can be changed on the sd.org site as well |
| [19:59:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | stuff? which part? where? |
| [19:59:19] | ** Dagmar gives up ** | |
| [19:59:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | The only options it gievs me, is to add a line up |
| [19:59:40] | Dagmar: | So add one |
| [19:59:42] | ajhtiredwolf: | the only options within that lineup, are to restrict channels |
| [20:00:13] | Dagmar: | Create a new lineup for analog cable and then drop the old one out |
| [20:00:45] | Dagmar: | Damn my PDA is at the office still. *sigh* |
| [20:00:51] | ajhtiredwolf: | that was what i was asking, but yes that is what i already have |
| [20:01:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | their is type, cable, and cabledigital, i chose cable |
| [20:03:57] | Dagmar: | Okay, so IF it's setup right, when you go back into MythTV setup for the page where your SD.org l/p goes in, and re-click the "get the infoz" button, you should see the cable provider's name on the screen |
| [20:03:58] | Dagmar: | DO YOU? |
| [20:04:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | nope |
| [20:04:23] | ajhtiredwolf: | Nothing has changed, that is what i had before |
| [20:04:33] | Dagmar: | Did you click the button again? |
| [20:04:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | yep |
| [20:04:38] | iamlindoro: | and there is stilllllllllll console output that has plain english info on what's wrong |
| [20:04:48] | Dagmar: | Does say, `lynx http://www.google.com` work? |
| [20:06:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | ive already searched on the internet to try and find a solution, i wasnt abel to, thats why i came here, but i'll be very happy try somewhere else if you want me to |
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| [20:06:21] | Dagmar: | Does say, `lynx http://www.google.com` work? |
| [20:06:39] | Dagmar: | 'cuz the only thing that should be reasonable able to go wrong at this point is if the box has no functional network connection |
| [20:07:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, im talking to you, the network is functioning |
| [20:07:05] | Dagmar: | You should enter your SD.org l/p and click the button on that screen, and part of that screen should change to show the name of your cable provider. |
| [20:07:10] | iamlindoro: | and you could, and I'll only say this one more FUCKING TIME, look at the CONSOLE OUTPUT of mythtv-setup, which will tell you WHY retrieve lineups fails if it does |
| [20:07:31] | Dagmar: | If the name of your cable lineup is not appearing on that screen you have a problem |
| [20:07:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, no it doesnt, it display <up> over and over again |
| [20:08:05] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf: Then guess what? Like I've told you three other times before, you are running a SCRIPT that spawns mythtv-setup |
| [20:08:19] | iamlindoro: | which ubuntu has helpfully named the same god damn thing |
| [20:08:38] | iamlindoro: | I'll give you a hint, real mythtv-setup is mythtv-setup.real |
| [20:08:44] | Dagmar: | This is why we tend to get irritable with package maintainers that make things "too" automatic |
| [20:08:52] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, calm yourself doen |
| [20:08:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | down* |
| [20:08:57] | Dagmar: | It blows away what would otherwise be useful debug output that they didn't account for properly. |
| [20:09:15] | Dagmar: | Yeah well pardon our frustration when this is something that realistically can be done in under five minutes. |
| [20:09:16] | iamlindoro: | ajhtiredwolf: Listen to things the first time and don't act like we owe you anything. I'm tired of telling you everything three times and having you argue the first two |
| [20:09:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | iamlindoro, id prefer if you didnt tell me anything, i was asking dagmar |
| [20:09:43] | iamlindoro: | Superb, best of luck with it, and remember to fuck yourself on the way out the door |
| [20:09:46] | Dagmar: | Like, _the entire_ setup of mythtv can be done in under five minutes, so long as a) nothing is broken and b) the correct information is entered |
| [20:09:59] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, im frusterated too, sometimes things don't work perfectly across all platforms though |
| [20:10:09] | Dagmar: | This is Linux. |
| [20:10:58] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, yep, but its relaly only frusterating when you are asking questions and the support is being incredibly rude, otherwise I expect to have to do extra configuring and dont mind it :-\ |
| [20:11:21] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, iamlindoro is only marginally less patient than me |
| [20:11:27] | iamlindoro: | We'll be sure to refund this month's support payment, then. I'll get my manager on the line right away |
| [20:11:28] | dustybin: | its all about the microkernels and minix :P |
| [20:11:34] | Dagmar: | I know you're confused and tired, but you gotta focus |
| [20:12:00] | Dagmar: | When we say something like "You put in the blah on the blah screen and blah happens" if ANY of it seems out of place at all, it is not the time to nod and smile |
| [20:12:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, im not a linux pro, im still just learning, its important not to bash the newbies, or its hard for us to be attracted to the operating system |
| [20:12:23] | Dagmar: | Don't lecture me about not bashing the newbies |
| [20:12:27] | Dagmar: | I do that with a chainsaw |
| [20:12:37] | Dagmar: | Problem. Focus. |
| [20:12:40] | Dagmar: | You can has both. |
| [20:12:50] | dustybin: | ajhtiredwolf: there are far too many newbies already thanks to *buntu |
| [20:13:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | dustybin, your right, it woudl be better if no one knew was attracted to linux and the distros died * rolls eyes* |
| [20:13:43] | dustybin: | ajhtiredwolf: some of us started off with a bare kernel and the vi editor, everything done manually |
| [20:13:56] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that such 'newbie-friendly' distros tend to hide how things function from the user, so when the user does need help, no one knows how to talk them through their issue |
| [20:14:00] | ajhtiredwolf: | dustybin, and mac started out as a kit that you had to put together yourself |
| [20:14:30] | Dagmar: | I started before we had X. |
| [20:14:50] | Dagmar: | Ah the days of compiling a 400K kernel binary on a 33Mhz CPU. |
| [20:14:53] | dustybin: | ajhtiredwolf: i started way back in 1985 using unixv6 |
| [20:14:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | wagnerrp, thats true, but ease of use attracts a larger range of people |
| [20:15:01] | Dagmar: | Starting the build, going to sleep, waking up to see if you had a new kernel or not... |
| [20:15:28] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: except that X started before linux was a sparkle in torvald's eye |
| [20:15:46] | Dagmar: | ajhtiredwolf: If you want to see what we mean by Ubuntu attracting "too many newbies" google up "endless september" sometime |
| [20:15:55] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: We didn't have it |
| [20:16:37] | dustybin: | ive gone off the idea of hav |
| [20:16:45] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, ubuntu is useful for more than just enthusiasts, you are looking at it from a perspective that the only people that should be able to use it are those who have the time to put in as much tinkering as you do :p |
| [20:16:52] | Dagmar: | No, I'm not. |
| [20:17:02] | Dagmar: | I'm looking at it from a very practical standpoint of clue reuptake. |
| [20:17:06] | dustybin: | having 3 boxes just to use pfsense, adsl modem + pfsense + switch, when you can buy a box with all those bits built in and use dd-wrt instead |
| [20:17:35] | dustybin: | ubuntu is nothing more than a unstable desktop |
| [20:17:36] | Dagmar: | dustybin: ...and then you get it and find out what a bite in the ass it is to make a new dd-wrt image |
| [20:17:58] | dustybin: | Dagmar: hmm |
| [20:18:03] | ajhtiredwolf: | dustybin, its worked fine for me until myth to be honest |
| [20:18:11] | liri: | hey guys |
| [20:18:15] | Dagmar: | dustybin: I have some dd-wrt things here. I'm still using a NetVista X41 I bought for $75 off Craigslist as my new firewall replacement |
| [20:18:32] | Dagmar: | ajh: Seriously tho, later google "endless september" |
| [20:19:46] | dustybin: | Dagmar: the x41 has pc + monitor built in? what firewall software you going to run on it |
| [20:19:58] | Dagmar: | Too many newbies at once is like pouring too much acid into an otherwise stable buffered mixture. |
| [20:20:05] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Slackware |
| [20:20:08] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:20:34] | ajhtiredwolf: | Dagmar, ahh there we go, a terminal window |
| [20:20:44] | dustybin: | Dagmar: have you got 2 NICs on the X41? |
| [20:20:47] | Dagmar: | It's actually been pretty nice hardware to work with. I even got lucky in that Best Buy's cheapest NIC is this Dynex thing which comes with the half-height bracket needed to install the card |
| [20:20:56] | Dagmar: | It's got one onboard, and now two in the PCI slots |
| [20:21:01] | dustybin: | nice |
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| [20:22:36] | Dagmar: | I suppose one has to have had college chemistry to grok the chemistry reference. |
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| [20:23:14] | dustybin: | Dagmar: do you really need a screen for a firewall? |
| [20:23:19] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Nope. |
| [20:23:24] | dustybin: | how many watts does that box use |
| [20:23:27] | Dagmar: | ...but I've just about finished the MRTG bits |
| [20:23:38] | Dagmar: | Not many. |
| [20:23:42] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:23:43] | GreyFoxx: | Dag: There is a similar concept around IRC. some influx of users in September, but by the end of the 90's it was Xmas when people were getting computers for xmas + the net |
| [20:23:57] | GreyFoxx: | that first month after xmas sucked on IRC |
| [20:24:05] | GreyFoxx: | every year was the same |
| [20:24:16] | Dagmar: | Hopefully I can find some DPMS invocation that will just turn off the screen's backlight unless there's something I need to display (like Red Alert — UPS offline, Network Offline, etc) |
| [20:24:19] | GreyFoxx: | but now it's such a steady constant flow you can't notice the difference :) |
| [20:24:24] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: sure, you can run ddwrt. but theres not a lot of fun you can have with 4MB of RAM and 8MB of flash |
| [20:24:29] | Dagmar: | Greyfoxx: Have you seen the slackware logo? |
| [20:24:58] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well, some people's idea of "fun" is a bit different. Like, some people enjoy sudoku. |
| [20:25:14] | GreyFoxx: | A new logo ? |
| [20:25:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah. Go to slackware.com. |
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| [20:25:25] | Dagmar: | I'm not saying anything specific. |
| [20:25:31] | nludlam: | If I make changes to the 'record' table, is there a command I need to send the backend to reschedule the matches on the EPG data? |
| [20:25:33] | Dagmar: | I still dont' know what to think of it |
| [20:25:35] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
| [20:25:54] | GreyFoxx: | that is kinda ...odd.. |
| [20:25:59] | Dagmar: | Yeah. |
| [20:26:00] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i like the idea of trying to use as less equipment as possible but utlizing the equipment i have to its full potential |
| [20:26:11] | GreyFoxx: | Makes me wonder what font it is :) |
| [20:26:26] | iamlindoro: | Well, guess it can never be upside down |
| [20:26:28] | iamlindoro: | that's good |
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| [20:26:36] | Dagmar: | The main reason I'm using the X41 now is that my older firewall was such a piece of "unlovely miscellaneous parts" it was driving me batty |
| [20:26:44] | GreyFoxx: | iam: yeah |
| [20:26:46] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:26:59] | dustybin: | lol |
| [20:27:01] | Dagmar: | Like, the backplate where the connectors all go is just a piece of aluminum with a hole drilled through it for the keyboard port. |
| [20:27:13] | Dagmar: | ...and the power supply I put in it was an AT power supply. |
| [20:27:36] | Dagmar: | The case is not an AT case, so there's an actual _light switch_ screwed onto the chassis inside the case. |
| [20:27:37] | dustybin: | i was thinking about installing dd-wrt on a Linksys WRT54GL, instead of a 3 box setup just to use pfsense |
| [20:27:50] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: NOW you're thinking |
| [20:27:56] | iamlindoro: | go with that |
| [20:28:00] | dustybin: | aye |
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| [20:28:19] | ** iamlindoro intends to turn dustybin into a minimalist ** | |
| [20:28:24] | dustybin: | i really wanted to have pfsense working as my firewall :-( |
| [20:28:32] | Dagmar: | I will possibly just take the old firewall with me to phreaknic and give it away to some poor underfunded hacker |
| [20:28:46] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of consolidation, I should take pictures of the new setup |
| [20:29:02] | Dagmar: | It's been running non-stop for about five years now |
| [20:29:12] | dustybin: | jeeze |
| [20:29:12] | Dagmar: | ...so, I guess it can be said the hardware is stable |
| [20:29:30] | ** dustybin reads Linksys WRT54GL reviews ** | |
| [20:29:32] | Dagmar: | I actually used a chain of UPSes to preserve uptime when I moved the last time |
| [20:29:50] | Dagmar: | ...only to freaking kill the power by unplugging the @#$@ thing about a week after I moved in |
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| [20:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | dag: heh I did that once. a Hot move from one building to the next |
| [20:30:13] | GreyFoxx: | had several carts, and upses |
| [20:30:25] | Dagmar: | Heh. I've moved a Sun Ultra 10k using a gas generator in the back of a pickup truck before |
| [20:30:27] | GreyFoxx: | and a wifi bridge on a switch so the machinesx were actually online while moving |
| [20:30:37] | dustybin: | when a box is there to try and keep a really good uptime, are they called 'idiot boxes'? |
| [20:30:41] | Dagmar: | "It can't go down? We can do this." |
| [20:31:50] | Dagmar: | Using wifi to maintain interconnectivity while moving is bonus points |
| [20:32:14] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [20:32:40] | Dagmar: | You have something to tell your grandkids about for having done that |
| [20:32:52] | Dagmar: | ...and then they can give this blank look that says "crazy old man" |
| [20:32:59] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [20:33:10] | GreyFoxx: | heh "You mean you didn't have quantum wifi back then?>?>!>" |
| [20:33:12] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [20:33:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah pretty much |
| [20:33:29] | Dagmar: | Or... "We have air-power now... why is this important" |
| [20:34:01] | GreyFoxx: | "I mean come on grandpa, surely you had quantum entangled NIC's back then" |
| [20:34:14] | Dagmar: | "You mean you had to tether your machines to the wall with copper cables?" |
| [20:34:39] | iamlindoro: | I showed my niece an Atari 2600 console and game, and she looked at me like I had three heads |
| [20:34:44] | Dagmar: | rofl |
| [20:34:49] | Dagmar: | I can believe it |
| [20:35:06] | iamlindoro: | Explaining the awesomeness of the graphics at that time was fun |
| [20:35:07] | GreyFoxx: | I have a Vectrex under my desk at work |
| [20:35:12] | Dagmar: | Oh nifty |
| [20:35:16] | GreyFoxx: | Very few people recognize it |
| [20:35:18] | Dagmar: | Those were neat even back then |
| [20:35:21] | GreyFoxx: | but those that do go ape :) |
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| [20:39:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | bah, il just use tvtime hah, free and works :P |
| [20:39:54] | Dagmar: | If you have a framegrabber card, that would probably be the simplest things. |
| [20:39:57] | Dagmar: | Recording from those is a bitch |
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| [20:45:17] | dustybin: | The Linksys WRT54GL doesnt have a ADSL modem built in... |
| [20:46:39] | iamlindoro: | Things that are slow: Watching 2.5 TB of data copied across a network, especially when the network interface is a USB device. |
| [20:46:57] | sid3windr: | ouch! |
| [20:47:14] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [20:47:22] | Dagmar: | Hopefully that will finish before your lease is up |
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| [20:47:32] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [20:47:48] | iamlindoro: | Has actually made admirable progress this morning, should be done in the earrrrly AM tomorrow |
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| [20:52:25] | iamlindoro: | Bah, my fancy new cable amp got delivered to work, now I have to decide whether to go grab it while out later |
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| [20:56:36] | justinh: | grr why do dist-upgrade defaults have to reset restricted stuff to disabled? |
| [20:57:19] | dustybin: | i turned off everything what is connected to my UPS, including my backend, and to my horror my watt meter says it was using 20W |
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| [20:57:32] | Dagmar: | 'cuz you haven't yet told the machine "I do not believe in your puny regulations" |
| [20:57:46] | justinh: | Dagmar: I had before I upgraded |
| [20:58:19] | justinh: | so now I need to connect my laptop to a wired connection to fix it. damn hippies |
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| [21:01:56] | justinh: | had my spies inform me the venue I played at on friday closed a good 30 minutes later than last time. things are picking up. a fine time to decide to quit, so I haven't. Yet |
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| [21:19:07] | clever: | dustybin: ouch |
| [21:19:16] | clever: | dustybin: i havent tested mine but its horidly hacked up |
| [21:19:37] | clever: | dustybin: i cut the internal batery off the cord and ran a 5 foot line to a shelf of 12v baterys |
| [21:20:27] | dustybin: | o_O |
| [21:20:33] | clever: | my UPS had a pair of 6v packs |
| [21:20:37] | clever: | wired to give 12v |
| [21:20:43] | dustybin: | O_o |
| [21:20:45] | clever: | and glued together |
| [21:20:47] | justinh: | dustybin: I said I wouldn't be surprised if the UPS ate a bit of power by itself |
| [21:21:00] | clever: | i replaced it with a cord to 4–5 12v baterys |
| [21:21:09] | clever: | which can provide power for much longer times |
| [21:21:16] | dustybin: | clever: messing around with stuff like that certainly isnt clever |
| [21:21:30] | clever: | dustybin: when i was testing it, i ran a very old tv on it |
| [21:21:34] | clever: | for i think 1 or 2 hours |
| [21:21:38] | dustybin: | burning your house down, isnt what one would call 'clever' |
| [21:22:02] | clever: | as the voltage got lower |
| [21:22:13] | clever: | it kicked into some backup curcuit |
| [21:22:23] | clever: | which drew alot more current(over 10 amps at 12v) |
| [21:23:12] | clever: | and the meter i was measuring with was rated for 10 amps... |
| [21:23:45] | clever: | but the weird thing |
| [21:23:57] | clever: | i had the full 10 amps going thru a tiny jumper wire |
| [21:24:03] | clever: | which didnt warm up any |
| [21:24:13] | clever: | yet the heavy leads for the volt meter got noticably warm |
| [21:25:13] | justinh: | non-sealed lead-acid batteries are pretty dangerous things to have in those kind of quantities – or were the ones you used the gel type generally used in alarm panels? |
| [21:25:28] | clever: | i have over 10 of those massive baterys |
| [21:25:33] | clever: | i can easily get over 120v dc |
| [21:25:39] | iamlindoro: | I'll miss clever when he's gone |
| [21:25:51] | justinh: | at a good few hundred amps.. sheesh |
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| [21:26:26] | clever: | 12v 95w/cell 15min sealed lead-acid |
| [21:26:36] | justinh: | it wouldn't so much be them catching fire I'd be concerned about. probably more the risk of toxic fumes |
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| [21:26:46] | justinh: | ahh sealed. that's ok then |
| [21:26:49] | clever: | 12v 26 amp hr sealed |
| [21:26:57] | clever: | 12v 26 amp hr sealed |
| [21:27:04] | justinh: | so you're not talking car batteries |
| [21:27:12] | clever: | 12v 24 amp hour sealed |
| [21:27:15] | justinh: | that's what I'd call 'big' |
| [21:27:21] | clever: | these came out of a portable xray machine |
| [21:27:31] | justinh: | not your pussy 24Ah things. pfft |
| [21:27:32] | clever: | and where arranged to produce arround 100v dc |
| [21:27:34] | iamlindoro: | what the... |
| [21:27:44] | iamlindoro: | people need to stop putting these things in your hands |
| [21:27:48] | clever: | it had enough power to melt any screwdriver you drop in the wrong place |
| [21:28:03] | clever: | these are 'dead' baterys that cant run the xray machine anymore |
| [21:28:16] | clever: | yet it can still run a few desktops for a few hours |
| [21:28:34] | clever: | and thats just 4 of them |
| [21:28:35] | justinh: | clever: yeah but compared to what I first imagined when you said "massive" was a rack of car batteries |
| [21:28:59] | clever: | theres another 15 of those in the next room that im not using |
| [21:29:27] | clever: | i could probly get enough current to crank SEVERAL cars at once if i wired them up right |
| [21:29:37] | justinh: | my dad once hooked up a radio in the house. a car radio, with speakers. oh and a car battery. it was connected to a charger too |
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| [21:30:04] | clever: | ive had similar at our old house |
| [21:30:07] | justinh: | there was a problem one day when thick white smoke started billowing out of the battery for no apparent reason. very acrid white smoke |
| [21:30:15] | clever: | a car batery in the basement feeding a old small b&w tv |
| [21:30:22] | clever: | lol |
| [21:30:35] | clever: | mine arent on a proper high power car batery charger |
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| [21:30:44] | clever: | im charging 4 of them from a single UPS |
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| [21:31:02] | clever: | though in theory, they are all full and shouldnt draw too much current |
| [21:31:03] | justinh: | oh right you just drop the mains with a bulb, whack it through a single 2 amp diode eh |
| [21:31:35] | clever: | i just pluged the ups in the wall like normal the connected + to + to + to + to + |
| [21:31:36] | justinh: | you really should change your nick, clever |
| [21:31:39] | clever: | and – to – to – to – to - |
| [21:31:46] | justinh: | I suggest heath-robinson |
| [21:32:34] | clever: | ive done similar wiring jobs for my mp3 player |
| [21:32:37] | justinh: | still, come the revolution I expect we'll need people like you to make stuff for us out of old baked bean cans |
| [21:32:40] | clever: | a pair of AAA's last 2 days |
| [21:32:48] | clever: | rechargable AAA's 1 day |
| [21:32:59] | justinh: | a car battery.. who knows>! :P |
| [21:33:05] | clever: | 8 D cells(wired up right), 6 months |
| [21:33:10] | jblack: | Actually, that sort of thing is done for off-grid solar homes. |
| [21:33:25] | clever: | jblack: yeah i suspect i could run half the house on these baterys |
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| [21:33:32] | jblack: | Your dad probably overcharged the batteries. |
| [21:33:34] | clever: | the problem is my UPS cant handle that much by itself |
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| [21:33:57] | clever: | jblack: he doesnt even charge them, they just sit in boxes in the laundry room:P |
| [21:34:12] | clever: | and they arent realy connected 'properly' its just jumper wires chaining them together |
| [21:34:25] | clever: | so each link in the chain is carrying more and more current |
| [21:34:31] | jblack: | I suggest you learn how to charge the mright, and learn the specifications about them. |
| [21:34:40] | justinh: | can anybody here spell f i r e h a z a r d ? |
| [21:34:40] | jblack: | Industrial batteries can explode when misused. Literally. |
| [21:34:50] | clever: | justinh: i have some fuses in there somewhere |
| [21:35:05] | wagnerrp: | each link in the chain is carrying the same current |
| [21:35:12] | clever: | also on ocasion i ran a 12v line to another room to try and power a pc from a inverter |
| [21:35:22] | wagnerrp: | if not, you would be violating the laws of physics |
| [21:35:37] | clever: | wagnerrp: its adding up |
| [21:35:39] | jblack: | clever: Have you ever read about one of those morons that dies because of a "bright" idea that was actually naive and stupid? |
| [21:35:48] | wagnerrp: | its adding up in voltage, its not adding up in current |
| [21:36:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: if you just look at a chain, every link adds weight, the bottom link has practicaly nothing, while the top has the weight of the whole chain |
| [21:36:04] | justinh: | jblack: darwin candidates R us |
| [21:36:08] | wagnerrp: | series adds voltage, parallel add current |
| [21:36:23] | clever: | wagnerrp: and they are all wires in parallel |
| [21:36:43] | clever: | but the pair of wires at the UPS end is carring the power to/from ALL the baterys |
| [21:36:49] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought you said you had them linked in series |
| [21:36:51] | jblack: | bleh. He's not listening. |
| [21:36:58] | clever: | while the pair of wires to the last batery, is carrying just that last batery |
| [21:37:18] | clever: | jblack: i know that it could all go horidly wrong, and yet nothing has happened in the past year |
| [21:37:18] | jblack: | clever: No, that's not how exlectronics works at all. |
| [21:37:32] | ** PatrickDK installs a 1pf capacitor to his ups, to give it more boost :) ** | |
| [21:37:44] | jblack: | batteries do not work by the principle of gravity. |
| [21:37:47] | PatrickDK: | oh, 1f that is, those big audio ones they use in cars :) |
| [21:37:56] | wagnerrp: | PatrickDK: you better slap some stickers on it too |
| [21:38:27] | PatrickDK: | warning, idiot inside? |
| [21:39:18] | jblack: | clever: Just undersatnd. It varies by the type of battery, but if you charge it too fast or too much, or discharge it too fast, some types can explode, due to contaminants in the battery shorting out. |
| [21:39:19] | wagnerrp: | didnt you know? each sticker adds 15W |
| [21:39:26] | clever: | http://pzweb.harvard.edu/ucp/images/circuits_ . . . atteries.jpg |
| [21:39:36] | clever: | see the 2 wires on the left, they have 1 batery worth of current |
| [21:39:40] | PatrickDK: | heh, 15w isn't going get me anywhere |
| [21:39:45] | PatrickDK: | I'm starting at 3000watts |
| [21:39:47] | clever: | the 2 wires on the right are carring 2 baterys worth of current |
| [21:39:53] | wagnerrp: | thats why you use LOTS of stickers |
| [21:40:18] | clever: | and how exactly are stickers going to help:P |
| [21:40:19] | PatrickDK: | I guess those cellphone antenna booster stickers would work even better? :) |
| [21:40:33] | jblack: | clever: Oh, also some nonsealed batteries outgas sulphuric acid. :) |
| [21:40:41] | jblack: | So make sure you vent the them. |
| [21:40:47] | wagnerrp: | they let you gain free power from the ether |
| [21:40:47] | clever: | jblack: its in the furnace room |
| [21:40:56] | PatrickDK: | batteries only gas when charged :) |
| [21:40:59] | jblack: | OMg. Are you serious? |
| [21:41:02] | clever: | jblack: which is sucking air into the furnace every now and then |
| [21:41:12] | PatrickDK: | heh? why do you want to run that gas into your furnace? |
| [21:41:23] | clever: | im not trying to run it into there |
| [21:41:25] | PatrickDK: | it will help the furnace burn better though |
| [21:41:34] | jblack: | I hear what's outgassed is explosive. That may not be the best place to generate explosive gas. |
| [21:41:38] | clever: | but im saying that if any gas's get released they will get sucked up and blown into the furnace |
| [21:41:56] | PatrickDK: | it's hydrogen, extreemly flamable |
| [21:41:57] | jblack: | You're so gonna die. |
| [21:42:02] | clever: | the furnace burns oil, so it could just make it run better:P |
| [21:42:05] | PatrickDK: | na, it's lighter than air |
| [21:42:21] | clever: | the intake is near the ground so it wont get much of the lighter then air stuff |
| [21:42:22] | PatrickDK: | well, lighter than o2 |
| [21:42:30] | justinh: | but on the plus side, oxygen in the air makes it burn better |
| [21:42:38] | clever: | PatrickDK: yes thats why hydrogen baloons float |
| [21:43:00] | clever: | jblack: they are sealed so they cant releases any gas |
| [21:43:01] | PatrickDK: | dunno, haven't seen any hydrogen balloons |
| [21:43:12] | PatrickDK: | normally helium |
| [21:43:13] | justinh: | clever: they have vents |
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| [21:43:27] | PatrickDK: | the last hydrogen one, burned pretty badly, the hindenburg |
| [21:43:33] | clever: | exactly:P |
| [21:43:36] | justinh: | it wasn't the last |
| [21:43:49] | clever: | just one of the bigger ones |
| [21:43:59] | justinh: | there's been a resurgence in H balloonery I think. I read that somewhere |
| [21:44:01] | wagnerrp: | the hindenburn burned because the skin was effectively rocket fuel |
| [21:44:18] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive seen that tested on tv |
| [21:44:30] | wagnerrp: | hydrogen by itself is not flammable until you get it to relatively low concentrations in air |
| [21:44:32] | PatrickDK: | and we always believe what we see on tv |
| [21:44:44] | wagnerrp: | clever: sure, the hydrogen played a part |
| [21:44:50] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, like pure propane it wont burn on its own |
| [21:44:50] | clever: | it needs oxygen |
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| [21:45:10] | wagnerrp: | the blimp wouldnt have gone up so quickly if not for the hydrogen |
| [21:45:18] | clever: | PatrickDK: it was myth busters:P |
| [21:45:24] | PatrickDK: | I know |
| [21:45:24] | wagnerrp: | but it hardly would have gone up at all if not for the aluminum power in the skin |
| [21:45:34] | wagnerrp: | aluminum dust is very explosive |
| [21:45:38] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:45:49] | clever: | i keep forgeting what its called:P |
| [21:45:57] | clever: | aluminum dust and iron rust mixed together |
| [21:45:58] | wagnerrp: | rocket fuel |
| [21:46:05] | clever: | theres another name for it |
| [21:46:10] | PatrickDK: | hardly rocket fuel |
| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | its what they stuff into solid rockets |
| [21:46:12] | PatrickDK: | thermite |
| [21:46:17] | clever: | PatrickDK: yeah thats it |
| [21:46:17] | justinh: | and mythbusters are the world authority on 100% facts eh? |
| [21:46:33] | clever: | justinh: i never said that:P |
| [21:46:38] | PatrickDK: | thermite has issues, it won't lite under 2000f |
| [21:47:11] | clever: | PatrickDK: so you need to chain it off a 2nd item like a strip of burning magnesium metal or some chemcical mix |
| [21:47:21] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [21:47:25] | clever: | which lights at a lower temp and burns at a hoter one |
| [21:47:25] | PatrickDK: | I use magnesium |
| [21:47:39] | clever: | mythbusters bleeped out the chemical way to light it |
| [21:47:40] | PatrickDK: | thermites melts basically everything :) |
| [21:47:57] | clever: | yeah ive seen prank sites saying to do it on the hood of a car |
| [21:47:58] | clever: | and melt right thru the engine block |
| [21:48:13] | PatrickDK: | pavement, dirt, .... |
| [21:48:30] | wagnerrp: | thats a pretty cruel prank |
| [21:48:31] | clever: | your lucky the dirt doesnt catch fire:P |
| [21:48:47] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [21:48:59] | clever: | wagnerrp: but ive seen more cruel stuff in the same area of the site |
| [21:49:08] | clever: | explaining how to tape a shotgun shell to a door |
| [21:49:20] | clever: | so it goes off(thru the door) when you slam it open |
| [21:49:49] | wagnerrp: | pranks should be cheaky and relatively painless |
| [21:50:00] | clever: | then the even more crazy ideas, that aid in natrual selection |
| [21:50:01] | wagnerrp: | not sadistic |
| [21:50:19] | clever: | how to make a shotgun shell go off when you throw it(to make it land/hit the igniter) |
| [21:51:32] | clever: | then the more harmless seeming ones, weighted baloon of hydrogen droped into the smoking area of the school(from another floor above) |
| [21:51:42] | clever: | if you try to pop it with a lit cancer stick... |
| [21:52:12] | wagnerrp: | you just get a loud boom, maybe some temporary hearing loss |
| [21:52:41] | wagnerrp: | theres not enough power in single balloon at one atmosphere to really cause any trouble |
| [21:52:50] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:52:58] | PatrickDK: | sure there is |
| [21:52:59] | clever: | but it can still scare the shit out of the poor sob:P |
| [21:53:06] | PatrickDK: | if the baloon is thick enough |
| [21:53:22] | PatrickDK: | or you use acytelen |
| [21:53:27] | at0m|c: | try dry ice and water in a plastic bottle |
| [21:53:31] | PatrickDK: | or use oxy/acet |
| [21:53:39] | clever: | at0m|c: seen it |
| [21:53:55] | wagnerrp: | oxy/acet is different because its already an explosive mixture, it detonates |
| [21:53:57] | clever: | PatrickDK: yeah a oxy/acet welding torch is made to put out the perfect mixture |
| [21:54:03] | wagnerrp: | the hydrogen balloon will just burn |
| [21:54:22] | clever: | tune the knobs for the next flame, then shut it off for a second to put it out |
| [21:54:29] | clever: | then fill baloons with the perfect mixture |
| [21:54:49] | wagnerrp: | my uncle belongs to a gun club |
| [21:54:49] | clever: | though the red hot tip may melt your baloons:P |
| [21:55:02] | wagnerrp: | some dumbass there filled a 55-gallon trash bag using that method |
| [21:55:09] | clever: | lol |
| [21:55:16] | clever: | natrual selection! |
| [21:55:50] | wagnerrp: | the airport 4 miles away dispatched police to figure out what happened |
| [21:56:14] | clever: | shock wave, sound, fireball? |
| [21:56:15] | clever: | which did they notice:P |
| [21:56:27] | clever: | (check all that apply) |
| [21:56:31] | wagnerrp: | apparently the guy cut 30 seconds of timing wick, and ran |
| [21:56:38] | wagnerrp: | just a shockwave |
| [21:56:48] | wagnerrp: | good explosives have no (or very little) fireball |
| [21:56:49] | clever: | lol |
| [21:57:06] | clever: | ahh |
| [21:57:13] | wagnerrp: | fire indicates slow burning, explosives require detonation |
| [21:57:19] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:57:31] | clever: | i have practicaly zero actual expeirience with this stuff:P |
| [21:57:39] | clever: | i just read the subject to death |
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| [22:03:19] | justinh: | anyway FWIW I think it's probably a good idea to keep the subject away from the chemistry of explosives. don't want mythtv getting federal attention for a reason like that :P |
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| [22:04:06] | wagnerrp: | MYTHTV USERS ARE INVOLVED IN TERRORISM!!!11ONE |
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| [22:07:46] | wagnerrp: | na, you brits don't have anything to worry about over there |
| [22:07:58] | wagnerrp: | everyone is already assumed guilty in the eyes of CCTV |
| [22:09:07] | justinh: | heh |
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| [22:20:01] | dustybin: | justinh: what kind of firewall do you use on your setup? |
| [22:20:12] | dustybin: | </socialengineering> |
| [22:21:13] | justinh: | there's nothing worth seeing on my network |
| [22:21:21] | wagnerrp: | what fun is that... just try a whois, and an nmap os fingerprint scan |
| [22:21:58] | dustybin: | justinh: i could delete your mythconver |
| [22:21:58] | dustybin: | g |
| [22:22:06] | dustybin: | and your backups :P |
| [22:22:16] | dustybin: | </evil> |
| [22:22:17] | wagnerrp: | assuming hes not blackholed, that will narrow it down significantly |
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| [22:24:15] | ** dustybin watches tales of the unexpected ** | |
| [22:25:22] | justinh: | dustybin: and I could shop you to the rozzers & have you prosecuted under the terms of the computer misuse act :P |
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| [22:25:34] | dustybin: | :P |
| [22:26:04] | dustybin: | "it wasnt me guv, honest" |
| [22:26:51] | dustybin: | i sentence you 20 years in prison for deleting justinh 'mythconverg' database and the remaining backups |
| [22:27:27] | wagnerrp: | federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison |
| [22:27:57] | dustybin: | eek |
| [22:28:32] | dustybin: | i was quite impressed with the way mythbuntu setup system |
| [22:28:41] | dustybin: | sets up the |
| [22:29:07] | dustybin: | i didnt get a chance to test it with a home-brew serial infra-red reciever |
| [22:29:14] | dustybin: | next time ill try it |
| [22:30:26] | dustybin: | i think the weakest link in .21 fixes at the moment is dvd playback, last week i tried to play a dvd and it segfault'd, maybe its difficult to code dvd playback |
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| [22:37:32] | wagnerrp: | i have still never actually watched a DVD on a computer |
| [22:37:55] | wagnerrp: | about the only time ill stick one in a computer is when im going to rip it |
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| [22:45:00] | ** dustybin thinks ripping dvds is a waste of space ** | |
| [22:45:03] | justinh: | hmmm somebody on opaltelecom in manchester been trying to get in |
| [22:45:39] | ** wagnerrp things getting up to look for, and insert a DVD is a waste of... ** | |
| [22:45:42] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: how much space does a rip'd dvd take up |
| [22:45:46] | wagnerrp: | well shut up, im lazy |
| [22:46:04] | wagnerrp: | i usually average about a GB a movie |
| [22:46:08] | ** dustybin looks at dvd collection and counts ** | |
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| [22:46:17] | justinh: | how much space does a HDD take up? less than a good few DVDs :P |
| [22:46:36] | dustybin: | ive got about 50 dvds |
| [22:46:42] | dustybin: | 50gigs of space |
| [22:46:56] | wagnerrp: | remember, thats without 'bonus content' |
| [22:46:58] | dustybin: | surely one will notice the difference in audio and video with a rip'd version |
| [22:47:09] | dustybin: | quality |
| [22:47:18] | justinh: | not necessarily |
| [22:47:24] | dustybin: | why not |
| [22:47:26] | wagnerrp: | i cant notice a difference on my system |
| [22:47:35] | justinh: | depends how you rip them DUH |
| [22:47:42] | dustybin: | what kind of compression does the rip do on mythtv |
| [22:47:43] | justinh: | and whether you transcode them |
| [22:47:45] | wagnerrp: | of course thats encoded with just about everything on, in x264 |
| [22:48:26] | dustybin: | well, i rip all my music into FLAC, so why not DVDs too? |
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| [22:48:37] | dustybin: | 50gigs of space is nothing |
| [22:48:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i pull out the chapters, the subtitles if needed, and sometimes the commentary |
| [22:49:00] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: can mythtv do all that? |
| [22:49:04] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: how much did you spend on your stereo? do you listen to rock or techno? |
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| [22:49:17] | dustybin: | techno and rock |
| [22:49:36] | wagnerrp: | ok, then you have no purpose in ripping to FLAC |
| [22:49:52] | wagnerrp: | as your ears are probably already ruined |
| [22:50:06] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: FLAC doesnt take up too much space, id rather keep them in FLAC than a lossy format |
| [22:50:16] | justinh: | yes but ruination is cumulative |
| [22:50:32] | wagnerrp: | ive never used FLAC, so i dont actually know what bitrate it runs at |
| [22:50:42] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i do all my ripping/encoding in windows |
| [22:50:44] | dustybin: | same as the original |
| [22:50:51] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:50:56] | wagnerrp: | my windows box is about as powerful as the rest of my machines combined |
| [22:51:11] | dustybin: | shame it isnt as secure |
| [22:51:14] | wagnerrp: | also FLAC DOES NOT USE THE SAME BITRATE AS THE ORIGINAL |
| [22:51:23] | dustybin: | :-o |
| [22:51:31] | wagnerrp: | if it did, it would be worthless to store as FLAC |
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| [22:51:44] | wagnerrp: | as there would be absolutely no compression |
| [22:52:01] | dustybin: | how long will DVD movies be on the shelfs in shops? |
| [22:52:19] | wagnerrp: | probably 10–15 years |
| [22:52:24] | dustybin: | seriosuly |
| [22:52:42] | justinh: | yup |
| [22:52:47] | dustybin: | with the very latest movies, are dvd versions still being made? |
| [22:52:49] | wagnerrp: | when did they stop selling VHS or casettes? |
| [22:53:05] | wagnerrp: | most people do not have a BR deck |
| [22:53:26] | dustybin: | or are the very latest movies only in bluray format only |
| [22:53:27] | wagnerrp: | theyre not going to miss out on the remaining (~90%+) DVD market |
| [22:53:43] | justinh: | flac is lossless anyway – best compression there is without mucking up the audio with psychoacoustic trickery |
| [22:54:06] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im just wondering how much FLAC compresses |
| [22:54:30] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: about the same as a 320kbps mp3 |
| [22:54:37] | justinh: | varies according to the source |
| [22:54:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean a CD is.. what, 1.4Mbps? |
| [22:55:18] | justinh: | the bitrate isn't changed |
| [22:55:25] | wagnerrp: | so around a quarter the space |
| [22:55:26] | justinh: | samplerate remains the same, as does the resolution |
| [22:55:31] | wagnerrp: | THE BITRATE HAS CHANGED |
| [22:55:49] | justinh: | it's immaterial |
| [22:55:52] | wagnerrp: | its compressed, meaning there is now a different average bitrate |
| [22:55:54] | justinh: | input == output |
| [22:56:00] | wagnerrp: | its immaterial to quality |
| [22:56:08] | wagnerrp: | but it makes a difference in streaming and storage |
| [22:56:16] | justinh: | anyway, 30% to 50% compression ratio |
| [22:56:22] | justinh: | which is pretty good |
| [22:56:33] | wagnerrp: | ok, so its about as good as huffman for video |
| [22:57:06] | dustybin: | justinh: is your backend on a UPS? |
| [22:57:59] | justinh: | dustybin: nah. never got around to it. it's only telly |
| [22:58:20] | dustybin: | aye indeed |
| [22:58:35] | dustybin: | justinh: at least your 20W better off |
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| [23:01:31] | wagnerrp: | god damnit |
| [23:01:37] | wagnerrp: | the neighbors bought steel drums |
| [23:01:54] | cesman: | s/he/it already has |
| [23:01:57] | wagnerrp: | i dare say its due time to close the windows and turn the AC back on |
| [23:01:59] | justinh: | got a hammer? ;) |
| [23:09:08] | dustybin: | im so glad no work tomorrow |
| [23:09:35] | xand: | no work for 2 weeks |
| [23:09:53] | dustybin: | wow nice |
| [23:10:25] | dustybin: | im getting sick of my job, time to find something new, apple macs for 12+ years is enough to put your off |
| [23:11:10] | dustybin: | this phone can run debian |
| [23:11:11] | dustybin: | http://www.openmoko.com/ |
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| [23:11:35] | dustybin: | its a bit slow and cack at the moment, but future revisions might be worth considering |
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| [23:14:11] | darkfrog: | Hey guys, I'm trying to set the Modeline on xorg.conf for my new HDTV, but I can't find all the information I need to input into the Modeline calculator...apart from the manual (which doesn't give all the details), how do I find the information? |
| [23:15:28] | dustybin: | jesus christ, amy winehouse looks like a escaped mental victim on stage at the v festival |
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