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| [00:04:05] | weevilofdoom: | so is it normal for 1.4gb/half hour? |
| [00:04:19] | clever: | depends on the bitrate settings |
| [00:04:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: with default settings on an Hauppauge PVR-150, yes. |
| [00:04:51] | weevilofdoom: | ah, i'm just using a WinTV framegrabber |
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| [00:05:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: I'm suprised you're getting that good of compression on a framegrabber... |
| [00:06:14] | clever: | i could get 500mb/hour files out of my frame grabber |
| [00:06:21] | clever: | but that doesnt mean they will look good:P |
| [00:06:39] | weevilofdoom: | well, as long as it's normal ... any less the quality wouldn't be stellar |
| [00:07:03] | clever: | ive been using 1gig/hour on my pvr150 and it looks like shit on my computer |
| [00:07:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: you're getting 'stellar' quality out of a framegrabber? |
| [00:07:11] | clever: | yet oddly it looks just fine when i use tvout:P |
| [00:07:21] | weevilofdoom: | i meant 'not stellar' as in a hell of a lot worse |
| [00:07:26] | weevilofdoom: | it's about the same as normal tv atm.. |
| [00:07:33] | weevilofdoom: | perhaps a wee bit grainier |
| [00:08:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I'm currently recording SD at 400x480, with a decent bitrate. On a TV in my sons room it looks incredible. On a computer monitor it looks OK from 5' away, grainy any closer... |
| [00:09:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | .. about 1.3GB/hr |
| [00:09:20] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, thats about the same gig/hour i was at and i can see half the mpeg blocks on any computer |
| [00:09:32] | clever: | now that i got a new hdd and 200gig free i doubled my bitrate |
| [00:09:46] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 2.1G 2008-08–11 19:00 1045_20080811175800.mpg |
| [00:09:51] | clever: | 1 hour recording |
| [00:10:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: hehe... I should do the same... I've got 2.4TB now... used to have just 760GB... ;-) |
| [00:10:24] | clever: | i had ~380gig total on my main lvm volume |
| [00:10:43] | clever: | i got a '320gig' drive which turns out to be 298gig when you fix the math |
| [00:10:50] | clever: | then replaced a 80gig with it |
| [00:10:53] | clever: | which left ~200gig free |
| [00:11:20] | weevilofdoom: | i'm attempting to utilize my fibre channel array... so far unsuccessfully – gotta get right driver for card |
| [00:11:28] | clever: | i should fix the reserved space setting |
| [00:11:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I went to Raid5 with my latest system ... 6x 500GB in raid5 = 2.4TB. and a pair of 200GB drives (raid1) for the oS. |
| [00:11:32] | clever: | i turned it down to 0 |
| [00:12:36] | clever: | 173gig free before |
| [00:12:45] | clever: | 163gig free now! |
| [00:13:12] | clever: | that should help reduce fragmentation |
| [00:13:28] | clever: | though it will only last until the 18th now |
| [00:14:10] | clever: | which is where it would have ran out anyway, only lost 5hours |
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| [00:18:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Where is the reserved space setting again? (I can't remember, and haven't found it yet) |
| [00:18:33] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: tune2fs |
| [00:18:40] | clever: | tune2fs -r 2621440 /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv |
| [00:18:45] | clever: | with 4kb/block that set it to 10gig |
| [00:19:09] | clever: | unshure if its safe to use while mounted but it seems to work just fine to me |
| [00:19:39] | clever: | dumpe2fs is fun to read the details that allready exist |
| [00:20:27] | clever: | i can see the free block map for every block group\ |
| [00:21:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: ok, I thought it was a myth setting... ;-) will have to check if there's one for raid5 – as I only seem to be using 75% of my 2.4TB... |
| [00:21:32] | clever: | theres several reserved space things |
| [00:21:35] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, -m sets the reserved blocks in percent, a tad easier then calculating blocks |
| [00:21:55] | clever: | ext3 will hide the reserved blocks in the 'free' space and deny use of them |
| [00:22:15] | clever: | mythbackend also has a limit of how much it will keep free(mine is set to 5gig) before it starts to expire things |
| [00:22:21] | kormoc: | only for non-root users |
| [00:22:33] | clever: | kormoc: yep(but that uid can be changed) |
| [00:22:40] | kormoc: | it's reserved for root, it's not like it's hiding them... |
| [00:23:06] | clever: | kormoc: they dont show up as free in df -h |
| [00:23:08] | clever: | only prog ive seen which can see them is gnome-system-monitor which shows free and available |
| [00:23:55] | kormoc: | it's free space, when you enable quotas, it doesn't change how much is free if you're only allowed to use 1g |
| [00:24:28] | clever: | when i changed my limit from 0 to 10g the 'avail' in df -h went down 10gig |
| [00:25:20] | kormoc: | but the free col doesn't change as it's still free |
| [00:25:28] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:25:41] | clever: | i just have a hard time getting df to show FREE instead of avail |
| [00:26:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... tune2fs dosn't work on jfs ??? |
| [00:26:33] | clever: | tune2fs is for ext2/3 |
| [00:26:38] | clever: | jfs probly has its own tools for it |
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| [00:26:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A consults 'mr google' ;-) ** | |
| [00:27:11] | ** clever would consule mr 'tune<tab><tab> in bash ** | |
| [00:27:43] | kormoc: | jfs requires superblock editing to change the reserved space, but it should be fairly light (200 blocks iirc) |
| [00:27:52] | mythdev: | the development svn of myth wont ./configure its erroring with a qmake error i tried doing the --qmake= option but it seems to just ignore it.. anyone know wtf? |
| [00:28:02] | kormoc: | unless you're comfrontable with jfs-debug, you likely don't want to modify it |
| [00:28:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Yeah, and with a 2.4TB array, I'd rather not mess it up! ;-) |
| [00:28:44] | kormoc: | mythdev, my crystal ball says like 22 of your error message is the key |
| [00:29:02] | kormoc: | but you being a myth developer and all, you should be able to figure it out I'm sure |
| [00:29:49] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: you can also just addjust the limit within mythtv |
| [00:30:02] | clever: | i think that one is in mythtv-setup |
| [00:30:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I didn't see it in there... |
| [00:30:28] | ** J-e-f-f-A looks again... ** | |
| [00:30:44] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, there's a keep min space free setting in mythtv-setup iirc |
| [00:30:53] | kormoc: | it'll auto-expire when it gets to or below that value |
| [00:31:03] | clever: | yep |
| [00:31:44] | clever: | my mythbackend seems to guess how much space it will need and adds 1–2gig ontop of that |
| [00:31:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I remember that setting, but it's not in mythtv-setup, at least not on 0.21-fixes... I do remember seeing it before... |
| [00:32:23] | clever: | mythfrontend, tv settings, general, general(autoexpire) |
| [00:32:38] | clever: | perfect place for the autoexpire space limit:P |
| [00:33:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, it's called "Extra Disk Space" now... found it, thanks clever. |
| [00:33:12] | wagnerrp: | dont want to risk your RAID array? come on... live a little... |
| [00:33:40] | mythdev: | kormoc, im not a developer i have an hd-pvr and it says only the development svn works with it so im trying to get it working |
| [00:33:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... not with 1.8TB of recordings... ;-) |
| [00:34:15] | mythdev: | however if it gets up and running then there may be things i could help the developers test.. |
| [00:34:22] | wagnerrp: | bah, ive got 2.2TB on mine, plus another 400GB on another backend |
| [00:35:00] | wagnerrp: | so in other words, your name of 'mythdev' is erroneous |
| [00:35:55] | mythdev: | my name has nothing to do with anything if my name was imastupidmoronwithabigbuttandmybuttsmellsandiliketokissmyownbutt, what difference would it make? |
| [00:36:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: actually, i lost my array about 2 years ago, i wouldnt wish that on anyone |
| [00:36:20] | wagnerrp: | mythdev: just making idle commentary |
| [00:36:35] | purserj: | mythdev: for a start it would make things harder to read |
| [00:36:50] | weevilofdoom: | i got a 16 drive 3u fibre channel that i'm attempting to get working, heh |
| [00:36:57] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose the use of your name is similar to clever's |
| [00:36:59] | mythdev: | purserj, yes it sure would lol :) |
| [00:37:00] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [00:37:02] | purserj: | we'd also be thinking someones 12 year old brother/sister had gotten to the machines in your absence |
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| [00:40:54] | kormoc: | mythdev, my main point was without the actually errors, we can't really help you (and use a pastebin) |
| [00:41:16] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you've noticed the irony as well eh? |
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| [00:45:22] | mythdev: | http://pastebin.ca/1170654 |
| [00:46:04] | clever: | arg, ive gotten 3 shows on the wrong channel today |
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| [00:46:20] | wagnerrp: | you have qt4 installed, and your $QMAKESPEC set? |
| [00:46:55] | mythdev: | i have qt4 installed yes, wtf is $QMAKESPEC ? |
| [00:47:31] | wagnerrp: | that tells the scripts what configuration file to use (in qt3 at least) |
| [00:47:41] | clever: | i never had to set that |
| [00:48:09] | wagnerrp: | my bsd box is 'freebsd-g++', my linux box is 'linux-g++' |
| [00:48:23] | clever: | mine seems to autodetect it just fine |
| [00:48:29] | wagnerrp: | you may also need a $QTDIR |
| [00:48:53] | wagnerrp: | but again, this may only be qt3 |
| [00:49:02] | mythdev: | :/ |
| [00:51:14] | clever: | what happens if you try to just run 'qmake' |
| [00:52:15] | jpabq: | qmake-qt4 |
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| [00:53:13] | clever: | qmake is just a symlink to qmake-qt4 on MY system, others may differ |
| [00:53:28] | mythdev: | i just saw the qmae-qt4 setting in the ./configure file so i went searching because the last time i looked i only saw qmake and now it looks like qmake is missing too so maybe there was a problem with qt4 installed while qt3 was still there.. :/ im reinstalling qt4 right now to see what happens |
| [00:53:47] | mythdev: | forgive typos im on eeepc |
| [00:53:55] | clever: | neat |
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| [00:56:40] | mythdev: | been thinking of putting a mythfrontend on this eeepc.. but maybe later |
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| [00:58:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you guys see that dish lost it's case against TiVo on Monday? Wow, wonder if that means my old DishPlayer 7200 that my wife's using upstairs is going to go offline... |
| [01:00:08] | mythdev: | well qt4 installed with no errors but i still have no qmake showing up anywhere |
| [01:00:40] | weevilofdoom: | i can't control my volume... |
| [01:00:59] | mythdev: | oooh they put it under /usr/local/Trolltech... weird |
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| [01:21:18] | weevilofdoom: | anybody use the mythweb remote? |
| [01:21:45] | kormoc: | I do |
| [01:22:14] | weevilofdoom: | i have enabled network remote control in frontend – restarted, get <hostname> is not responding when selecting in the remote |
| [01:22:17] | weevilofdoom: | (the frontend does show up) |
| [01:22:18] | weevilofdoom: | idea? |
| [01:22:38] | kormoc: | verify you can telnet to it from the web server? |
| [01:22:56] | weevilofdoom: | telnet to it from webpage ?? |
| [01:23:25] | weevilofdoom: | it is a frontend/backend combo, so the webserver is on the same box.. |
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| [01:26:27] | kormoc: | the mythweb remote is basically a telnet interface to the frontend |
| [01:27:02] | kormoc: | so from a cli (via ssh works well), telnet to localhost 6544 or the like (whatever port the remote control is set to use) |
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| [01:30:09] | weevilofdoom: | it connects ... |
| [01:34:34] | kormoc: | try the hostname mythweb thinks it's using? |
| [01:35:02] | weevilofdoom: | connects as well |
| [01:37:04] | weevilofdoom: | there any other remote software? i don't have IR or remote for my tuner |
| [01:37:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: There's a remote for an iphone IIRC... ;-) |
| [01:38:24] | weevilofdoom: | i'm not buying an iphone to control my tv :P |
| [01:38:35] | kormoc: | check your apache logs and see if it's php erroring out? |
| [01:38:42] | kormoc: | you might have to enable fopen/fsockopen |
| [01:38:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: I think it works on the iPod Touch too... ;-) |
| [01:39:52] | weevilofdoom: | beh |
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| [01:40:01] | weevilofdoom: | nothing in error log |
| [01:40:10] | Gary13579: | so going to buy a tuner, any suggestions for myth? I was thinking getting one with a hardware encoder, but after thinking about it I'd rather have it encoded as MP4 |
| [01:40:19] | kormoc: | weevilofdoom, so what exactly does it say? |
| [01:40:24] | weevilofdoom: | no-thing |
| [01:40:45] | kormoc: | <weevilofdoom> i have enabled network remote control in frontend – restarted, get <hostname> is not responding when selecting in the remote |
| [01:40:49] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:41:04] | kormoc: | so is it nothing or 'is not responding' ? |
| [01:41:11] | weevilofdoom: | my logs say nothing |
| [01:41:22] | weevilofdoom: | the web interface when choosing frontend in remote says <hostname> is not responding |
| [01:41:33] | kormoc: | exactly that? |
| [01:41:42] | weevilofdoom: | replace <hostname> with the hostname of the computer |
| [01:43:14] | kormoc: | telnet to the control port and type |
| [01:43:38] | weevilofdoom: | it connects and automatically disconnects |
| [01:44:05] | weevilofdoom: | xu@mosquito:~> telnet rain 6544 |
| [01:44:05] | weevilofdoom: | Trying 192.168.0.124... |
| [01:44:05] | weevilofdoom: | Connected to rain. |
| [01:44:05] | weevilofdoom: | Escape character is '^]'. |
| [01:44:05] | weevilofdoom: | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| [01:44:06] | weevilofdoom: | xu@mosquito:~> |
| [01:44:19] | kormoc: | it shouldn't do that... |
| [01:44:24] | kormoc: | it should hold onto the connection |
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| [01:45:12] | weevilofdoom: | meh, vnc works fine |
| [01:45:21] | kormoc: | weevilofdoom, ooh, try 6545? |
| [01:45:43] | weevilofdoom: | nope |
| [01:45:48] | kormoc: | 6546? |
| [01:46:03] | weevilofdoom: | there we go |
| [01:46:18] | kormoc: | try typing 'query location' and see what it says? |
| [01:46:32] | weevilofdoom: | # query location |
| [01:46:32] | weevilofdoom: | Playback LiveTV 00:00:51 of 00:00:53 1x 1055 2008-08–13T18:30:00 1529 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1055_20080813184529.nuv 29.97 |
| [01:48:17] | kormoc: | so can you verify that mythweb thinks it's the correct port? |
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| [01:49:23] | weevilofdoom: | how would i go about seeing that? |
| [01:49:32] | kormoc: | it's likely in the database |
| [01:50:26] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/1170760 |
| [01:50:44] | kormoc: | make sure that shows 6546 for host raid |
| [01:52:11] | weevilofdoom: | what database is selected? i just have "information_schema" ... |
| [01:52:31] | weevilofdoom: | which has no table 'settings' |
| [01:53:17] | kormoc: | mythconverg likely |
| [01:53:38] | weevilofdoom: | i mean ... i don't have any mysql databases other than "information_schema" |
| [01:53:53] | kormoc: | that's a small problem given myth requires a mysql database |
| [01:54:35] | weevilofdoom: | it records just fine ... |
| [01:54:39] | weevilofdoom: | and i can playback |
| [01:55:31] | kormoc: | there's got to be a database somewhere then |
| [01:57:51] | weevilofdoom: | suppose... |
| [02:02:12] | weevilofdoom: | backend log mentions database 'mythconverg' |
| [02:02:19] | weevilofdoom: | but it certainly doesn't show up when i use mysql |
| [02:03:24] | kormoc: | it's somewhere there |
| [02:05:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | weevilofdoom: umm... 'mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg' ??? |
| [02:05:37] | weevilofdoom: | found it. |
| [02:05:39] | weevilofdoom: | ha |
| [02:05:45] | weevilofdoom: | yup |
| [02:06:59] | weevilofdoom: | says 6546 ... |
| [02:07:56] | NeoMatrixJR: | Wondering if I can get a hand w/ a problem? I've got an ATSC/QAM/NTSC Pinnacle 800i tuner hooked up to cable. I |
| [02:07:59] | NeoMatrixJR: | oops |
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| [02:08:16] | NeoMatrixJR: | I've set up QAM already, but my analog has a problem |
| [02:08:35] | NeoMatrixJR: | it tunes in for a split second then goes to static. |
| [02:08:48] | kormoc: | weevilofdoom, welp, all I know is that's how the code gets the port to use, and if you can telnet to it and run commands, something is funky |
| [02:09:06] | weevilofdoom: | ahhh well, vnc works just fine |
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| [03:03:59] | Steven_M: | hi all |
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| [03:08:08] | cesman: | hello Steven_M |
| [03:08:39] | Steven_M: | hi cesman |
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| [03:24:51] | Steven_M: | what's everyones opinion of the WinTV PVR 150? |
| [03:25:05] | clever: | works a ton better then my frame grabber:P |
| [03:25:12] | wagnerrp: | ive got a pair, fantastic |
| [03:25:30] | clever: | i could do with a 2nd to solve some conflicts |
| [03:25:46] | clever: | but then the problem becomes how do i control the channel |
| [03:25:56] | wagnerrp: | the channel? |
| [03:26:03] | clever: | on the external tuner |
| [03:26:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, the cards have IR blasters |
| [03:26:27] | clever: | and the lirc_i2c driver causes a kernel oops |
| [03:26:39] | clever: | its been doing that ever since i upgraded from ubuntu 6.06 to 7.10 |
| [03:26:48] | clever: | which means i also cant use my remote |
| [03:27:03] | clever: | and the blaster on the pvr150 has never worked |
| [03:27:05] | clever: | driver defect |
| [03:27:13] | wagnerrp: | really? |
| [03:27:29] | wagnerrp: | anyway, why would you want to use a remote on an STB attached to a tuner |
| [03:27:30] | clever: | the driver that worked under ubuntu 6.06 couldnt blast with that card |
| [03:27:43] | clever: | i mean use the pvr150 remote on the comptuer |
| [03:27:50] | clever: | for mythtv use |
| [03:28:03] | clever: | that is also broken because lirc_i2c crashes |
| [03:28:16] | wagnerrp: | you can use both the blaster and receiver at the same time |
| [03:28:18] | clever: | ive gone back to using a keyboard on 10feet of extensions |
| [03:28:34] | clever: | the driver for both kills my kernel |
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| [03:28:38] | clever: | so i cant use either |
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| [03:29:32] | wagnerrp: | so its just a problem with your compile |
| [03:29:35] | clever: | [6973358.259515] lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150)) |
| [03:29:35] | clever: | [6973358.260001] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 |
| [03:29:40] | clever: | ive recompiled it 20 times |
| [03:29:46] | clever: | and it crashes the same way every time |
| [03:30:05] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to tell you |
| [03:30:17] | clever: | ive allways had to use the serial ir blaster |
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| [03:30:41] | clever: | and if i wanted a 2nd tuner, id need to clear the other serial port out and make another |
| [03:30:53] | clever: | and even then, i dont think i can run a pair of lirc_serial.ko's at once |
| [03:31:20] | clever: | and even then, the box would hear both blasters enless i seperate them a good distance |
| [03:31:34] | clever: | or use a totaly seperate slave backend |
| [03:31:52] | wagnerrp: | you are supposed to attach the blaster directly to the receiver on the STB |
| [03:31:59] | wagnerrp: | glue it right onto the window |
| [03:32:08] | clever: | this is a ir led sticking out of the end of a old serial mouse |
| [03:32:34] | clever: | pointed in the general direction from about ~6 inches away |
| [03:32:52] | wagnerrp: | so wire something up like the blaster that comes with the 150 |
| [03:33:14] | wagnerrp: | have the guts some distance away, and just a bare bulb attached directly to the box |
| [03:33:25] | clever: | its 2 peices |
| [03:33:29] | clever: | a resistor and a led |
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| [03:34:25] | clever: | but i still cant use 2 serial blasters because of the way the stupid driver was made |
| [03:37:04] | clever: | wagnerrp: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/mythtv . . . 8.jpg/_full_ |
| [03:37:49] | clever: | the middle package is what i used for the led |
| [03:38:37] | clever: | then i just hacked open a old serial mouse and choped the cord off the board |
| [03:39:12] | clever: | and used the soldering iron to melt a led sized hole in the end |
| [03:42:24] | Gumby: | hi all, Ive finally gotten my webserver to recognize where my recordings are however I am still getting the following error when I click on "ASX Stream" or "Direct Download" "1635_20080810180000.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host." |
| [03:43:06] | fryfrog: | and does it? |
| [03:43:09] | fryfrog: | really exist? |
| [03:44:38] | Gumby: | the file does yes -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 786762516 Aug 10 18:34 data/recordings/1635_20080810180000.mpg |
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| [03:45:07] | clever: | is thaat one of the 'recognized storage group directories for this host'? |
| [03:46:28] | Gumby: | I'm not sure how to do that. My mythbox recordings dir is mounted via NFS to my mythtv/data/recordings dir on my webserver |
| [03:46:48] | clever: | is it mounted to the same path at both ends? |
| [03:47:04] | Gumby: | no. On my mythbox its just /recordings |
| [03:47:05] | clever: | i mount /media/mainlv/ at /media/mainlv/ on every system |
| [03:47:12] | Gumby: | ah, ok. I'll try that |
| [03:47:13] | clever: | try mounting it to the same place |
| [03:47:25] | clever: | by default it will try the same path as on other systems |
| [03:47:33] | clever: | but you can also tell it other special paths |
| [03:49:56] | Gumby: | very nice. thank you very much |
| [03:50:25] | Gumby: | hopefully this works outside my network now. hehe |
| [03:51:35] | ** Gumby vpns into work to find out ** | |
| [03:51:37] | wagnerrp: | you have enough bandwidth to push the orignal recording? |
| [03:51:51] | wagnerrp: | the asx stream does not transcode |
| [03:51:52] | Gumby: | I'm going to check |
| [03:52:06] | clever: | fun fun! |
| [03:52:07] | cesman: | for your recordings, it doesn't matter if the mount point is the same place |
| [03:52:07] | wagnerrp: | well how much upstream bandwidth do you have? |
| [03:52:13] | Gumby: | the majority of recordings I auto transcode |
| [03:52:40] | cesman: | video, music, gallery, etc need to be the same place |
| [03:52:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: my upstream takes 10 hours to push a 1h recording:P |
| [03:52:43] | clever: | ive moved them from the house->hotel before |
| [03:52:46] | clever: | its painfull |
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| [03:53:09] | Gumby: | cesman: it seemed to work here... what did I do wrong? I got the error message "1635_20080810180000.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host." When I mounted it in the same place it worked |
| [03:53:46] | cesman: | Gumby: interesting... |
| [03:54:31] | cesman: | I've never had to do that, my mbe is /myth/tv and my sbe is /mnt/tv |
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| [03:54:51] | wagnerrp: | gumby: what is your upstream rated at? |
| [03:54:53] | Gumby: | cesman: ah, my webserver doesnt have mythtv installed though |
| [03:55:03] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: I get about 108mb/s |
| [03:55:11] | wagnerrp: | clever: its very likely the hotel internet was just horribly shitty |
| [03:55:20] | wagnerrp: | Gumby: you live in Japan? |
| [03:55:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: my upstream maxes near 50kbyte/sec |
| [03:55:26] | Gumby: | wagnerrp: lol no |
| [03:55:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: the hotel maxed near 150kbyte/sec |
| [03:55:37] | wagnerrp: | then you dont get 108mbps |
| [03:55:45] | clever: | and acording to cacti's graphs of my dsl line it was going the full 50kbyte/sec |
| [03:55:45] | Gumby: | MB |
| [03:55:53] | Gumby: | sorry |
| [03:55:53] | Gumby: | lol |
| [03:55:54] | Gumby: | kb |
| [03:56:00] | Gumby: | 1Mbit |
| [03:56:09] | wagnerrp: | ok, thats reasonable |
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| [03:56:36] | clever: | the math says 5hours 49mins to upload a 1gig file |
| [03:56:50] | clever: | assuming i gave the entire 50kbyte/s to the file transfer |
| [03:57:25] | wagnerrp: | well a decent xvid transcode of SDTV should be ~600–800kbps |
| [03:57:45] | clever: | yeah, i just never got arround to making xvid transcodes |
| [03:58:21] | wagnerrp: | h.264/aac might be able to do 500kbps |
| [03:58:55] | clever: | at the time, i had a 400mhz desktop with me in the hotel |
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| [03:59:05] | clever: | 264 would be imposible:P |
| [03:59:19] | wagnerrp: | well then your struggling to do even mpeg2 (without xvmc) |
| [03:59:31] | clever: | it runs mpeg2 just fine |
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| [04:00:14] | clever: | though i dont even use it for playback anymore |
| [04:00:20] | clever: | ugh |
| [04:00:22] | clever: | Aug 13 23:00:07 theP4 kernel: [302006.959807] ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
| [04:01:24] | clever: | crap |
| [04:01:28] | clever: | backend coredumped! |
| [04:01:42] | clever: | 2008-08–14 01:00:03.456 scheduler: Finished recording: Daily Planet: channel 1045 |
| [04:01:45] | clever: | *** glibc detected *** mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0884e1c9 *** |
| [04:01:48] | clever: | ======= Backtrace: ========= |
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| [04:02:39] | Steven_M: | hi all, sorry I got disconnected before |
| [04:04:40] | wagnerrp: | well buffer overflows do tend to happen when you run out of memory |
| [04:04:49] | Gary13579: | so going to buy a tuner, any suggestions for myth? I was thinking getting one with a hardware encoder, but after thinking about it I'd rather have it encoded as MP4 |
| [04:05:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: a buffer overflow would also happen if mythbackend has frozen to coredump |
| [04:05:22] | clever: | ive had mythfrontend sit there for 4mins before ignoring me while taking a dump |
| [04:05:31] | clever: | plenty of time to flood the buffer |
| [04:05:52] | clever: | whoa |
| [04:05:58] | clever: | the backtrace is 40 calls long |
| [04:06:04] | wagnerrp: | Gary13579: the only mpeg4 encoder youre going to find is an HDPVR |
| [04:06:16] | clever: | #25 0xb7d4a68a in PreviewGenerator::previewReady (this=0xb56c9140, _t1=0x414) at moc_previewgenerator.cpp:91 |
| [04:06:29] | wagnerrp: | the rest are either mpeg2, or claim mpeg4 because their packaged software will transcode on-the-fly |
| [04:06:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gary13579: or for SD encoding, an older Plextor ConvertX .. |
| [04:06:38] | fryfrog: | Gary13579: when you get down to it, encoding doesn't make a shit hill of beans difference with the prices of hard drives. |
| [04:06:42] | wagnerrp: | of course packaged software is absolutely worthless |
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| [04:07:09] | fryfrog: | your choice of tuner is going to be mostly dictated by source, then maybe you'll have some other options or not |
| [04:07:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | ConvertX is hardware mpeg4, but only SD. |
| [04:07:46] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: ah, and its not a tuner, just a capture box |
| [04:07:56] | wagnerrp: | (like the HDPVR) |
| [04:07:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes, that's true. |
| [04:08:13] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/1170955 anybody have an idea as to what might cause this crash? |
| [04:08:16] | fryfrog: | hardware mpeg4 == divx/xvid, right? |
| [04:08:21] | fryfrog: | HDPVR is h264 |
| [04:08:56] | wagnerrp: | well h264 is mpeg4, although the hdpvr feeds you an mpeg2 file |
| [04:09:20] | wagnerrp: | h264 in an mpeg2 ts |
| [04:09:39] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:10:22] | Steven_M: | someone on the mythtv mailing list had picture quality issues with the wintv pvr 150, has anyone here had that problem :) |
| [04:10:44] | wagnerrp: | usually picture quality issues are due to poor signal quality |
| [04:10:54] | wagnerrp: | too many splits, grounding issues, ... |
| [04:11:11] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [04:11:27] | clever: | if i connect the cable to my pvr150 i get horid signal |
| [04:11:36] | clever: | but if i go thru the external tuner box it comes out great |
| [04:11:47] | Gumby: | I used to have much poorer picture quality in myth compared to windows with my pvr-150 but I dont have that anymore. I think it was either old ivtv drivers or the old nvidia drivers |
| [04:12:21] | wagnerrp: | my 150s are finicky about signal strength |
| [04:12:36] | wagnerrp: | they need a higher power signal than my TV |
| [04:12:54] | wagnerrp: | although my digital TV is similarly picky |
| [04:13:11] | wagnerrp: | a decent signal amp fixed all my woes |
| [04:13:35] | clever: | i sovled half my problems just by grounding the sheild line |
| [04:13:45] | clever: | also the external tuners i do have are horid |
| [04:13:53] | clever: | if i dont connect the coax |
| [04:14:05] | clever: | the metal box itself becomes eletricaly HOT |
| [04:14:09] | Steven_M: | why would you you need an external tuner box, isn't that the job of the card? |
| [04:14:30] | clever: | for some reason the tuner within the card gives poor quality video |
| [04:14:49] | clever: | so im using an external tuner and just running the composite video lines over |
| [04:15:29] | fryfrog: | Steven_M: there are many reasons, for example a PVR150 with the cable hooked right to it means channels 1–70ish |
| [04:15:45] | fryfrog: | if you were to hook it up via svideo to a STB, maybe you'd get 1–900 |
| [04:15:50] | clever: | and those are the only channels i pay attention to:P |
| [04:16:05] | clever: | im not even paying for those high up digital channels right now |
| [04:16:09] | fryfrog: | you might also have Sat service, which of course you can't just screw into a card (generally) |
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| [04:17:51] | Gumby: | mmmm..... sat service |
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| [04:19:12] | Steven_M: | can anyone recomend a different analogue card which gives a good quality without the need for an external tuner? |
| [04:24:16] | fryfrog: | the PVR150 or PVR500 is going to be top of the line, best you can get for analog. |
| [04:24:40] | fryfrog: | a bad analog signal isn't *that* common, you stand a very good chance of it looking fine. |
| [04:25:09] | fryfrog: | The reason using an STB looks better for *most* people is that they are actually using a digital version of the same channel instead of the analog one, which will look "perfect" |
| [04:25:29] | clever: | fryfrog: im clearly not using the digital version |
| [04:25:32] | Steven_M: | if you get a digital card which users a satelite dish, you don't need an exturnal tunner do you? |
| [04:25:37] | clever: | low level channels liek 2 and 4 look horid |
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| [04:25:50] | fryfrog: | In all of the comcast locations I've lived, if you flip to say 3 on an STB you'd get the digital version and not analog |
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| [04:26:03] | fryfrog: | clever: most, not all of course it depends on your area |
| [04:26:05] | clever: | and im getting plenty of analogish noise on certain channels |
| [04:26:07] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:26:08] | clever: | also |
| [04:26:13] | clever: | if i pull the INPUT to the STB |
| [04:26:13] | fryfrog: | Steven_M: depends on the sat you are pulling in if you can even do it |
| [04:26:16] | clever: | i can tell instantly |
| [04:26:26] | clever: | true analog channels go into the usual static |
| [04:26:33] | clever: | digital channels just freeze up |
| [04:26:35] | wagnerrp: | clever, like i said, the tuners are finicky and like higher power on the inputs |
| [04:26:49] | clever: | i could try my coax amp on the pvr150 |
| [04:26:57] | clever: | just have to dig it out |
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| [04:27:09] | wagnerrp: | dont just put it in-line |
| [04:27:15] | wagnerrp: | have it replace a series of splitters |
| [04:27:23] | Mainiac: | Hi all, I've got a bit of a puzzle here, I've never been able to get CC (close captions) to show on screen, tried many things, finaly gave up figuring I'd never get it to work. Then today (haven't changed any backend settings in months) a movie records on HBO2 and the CC works! I have then set to be on alway, and had never seen them until today. Anyone got any idea why? |
| [04:27:36] | Steven_M: | ok, I'll buy the pvr 150 and hope for the best |
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| [04:29:49] | clever: | wagnerrp: my amp only has 1 output |
| [04:29:57] | clever: | and its missing |
| [04:30:19] | wagnerrp: | well with one output, it should still go before the splitters |
| [04:31:05] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:31:05] | clever: | so that i loose less |
| [04:31:21] | clever: | or have it feeding ONE item which needs help |
| [04:31:35] | clever: | nothing else has problems so why feed them a boosted signal |
| [04:32:04] | wagnerrp: | because if you overboost one item, you can get worse quality, or damage the device |
| [04:32:31] | clever: | ah |
| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | you really dont want to feed a device much more power than is coming into your house |
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| [04:33:05] | clever: | ive been told that the signal on wifi gets worse if your too close for the same reason |
| [04:33:15] | clever: | but in that case i was having diff problems |
| [04:33:54] | clever: | right now i cant even find my coax amp so i cant test it |
| [04:34:15] | clever: | all it would do is give me less channel change problems(lirc keeps droping digits) |
| [04:34:40] | fryfrog: | my cable co put a power booster right out at the entrace to my house, it helped a *ton* for both TV and Cable Modem |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats common |
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| [04:35:52] | clever: | all my cable co did was chop the line from the sat dish and run fresh lines from a common point |
| [04:36:06] | clever: | instead of 1 line spliting at 5 diff places like a randomly growing tree |
| [04:36:14] | clever: | it all goes back to 1 central point |
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| [04:36:32] | clever: | one of those lines im now spliting in 4 directions:P |
| [04:36:49] | wagnerrp: | if everything is at one central point, pick up a 4 or 8-way splitter/amplifier |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | something thats 0dB gain |
| [04:37:05] | clever: | that central point is outdoors |
| [04:37:18] | fryfrog: | nothing wrong with that |
| [04:37:19] | wagnerrp: | so get a box to cover it |
| [04:37:19] | clever: | it comes in the wall and splits in 3, tv, stb, other |
| [04:37:23] | fryfrog: | my cable amp is outside, in a box |
| [04:37:30] | clever: | that other line splits again to a 2nd stb and a plain analog tv |
| [04:37:45] | fryfrog: | i hope some day i get to build my own house |
| [04:37:54] | wagnerrp: | so actually, you do have a randomly branching tree, rather than one central split |
| [04:38:01] | fryfrog: | i'd make a little network panel somewhere with coax, phone, network all running to it |
| [04:38:11] | clever: | wagnerrp: that i added years after the cable co came and cleaned it up:P |
| [04:38:16] | fryfrog: | so i could do all my splitting in one place and only hook up the lines that need it |
| [04:38:33] | clever: | all 4 devices and 2 spliters are in the same room |
| [04:38:51] | clever: | ive some similar with my ethernet |
| [04:38:58] | clever: | 12 port cisco switch in the furnace room |
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| [04:39:07] | clever: | allmost every line runs directly there |
| [04:39:19] | clever: | except one of them splits in 3 at my bedroom |
| [04:39:39] | wagnerrp: | well ethernet isnt so much a problem, especially with switches (rather than hubs) |
| [04:39:39] | clever: | and im using nearly every one of the 12 ports |
| [04:39:51] | clever: | yea |
| [04:39:57] | clever: | ive got 3 devices acting as switches |
| [04:40:04] | wagnerrp: | im using most of a pair of 8-ports in the basement |
| [04:40:20] | wagnerrp: | no subdividing |
| [04:40:25] | clever: | i have 3 ports just for the router |
| [04:40:29] | fryfrog: | i just have an 8 port hooked to my 4 port router, but all my shit is mostly in the same room |
| [04:40:43] | fryfrog: | i run 2 lines to my living room, but that is not far away (in an apartment) |
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| [04:40:55] | clever: | ive got a 20foot ethernet cord between my dsl modem and the cisco switch |
| [04:41:11] | clever: | 90% of it is siting in 1 giant mess of a pile on the floor |
| [04:41:51] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [04:41:53] | fryfrog: | why?? |
| [04:41:54] | clever: | i was thinking that if i shorten the analog side i would improve the speed but it hasnt had any noticable change |
| [04:42:08] | clever: | it was going thru 10feet of cheap old phone extension |
| [04:42:21] | clever: | which i would think, would harm the analog dsl signal |
| [04:42:23] | fryfrog: | i'm lost, but oh well :p |
| [04:42:43] | clever: | phoneline->dsl->ethernet->switch->ethernet->router |
| [04:43:05] | clever: | i simply shortened the phoneline and lenghtened the ethernet |
| [04:43:20] | clever: | more of the signal in digital |
| [04:43:29] | fryfrog: | i doubt lenght of phone line matters much, i've used ~20–30 foot cords with dsl |
| [04:43:36] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:43:39] | fryfrog: | plus, imagine how much wiring it takes to go around your house |
| [04:43:47] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:43:52] | fryfrog: | which is probably wired sort of liniarly instead of star |
| [04:44:05] | clever: | the line comes into the corner by my bedroom |
| [04:44:15] | clever: | then goes down 2 of the 4 lines to the other side of the house |
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| [04:44:19] | clever: | enters a special filter box |
| [04:44:31] | clever: | then splits up in 2–3 directions |
| [04:44:55] | clever: | 1 line goes back along the 2/4 right back to where it started, which then feeds 2 rooms |
| [04:45:07] | clever: | another goes to the bedroom upstairs |
| [04:45:17] | clever: | that box has 3 ports on it |
| [04:45:31] | clever: | filtered, unfiltered, and input i think |
| [04:46:15] | clever: | right now the signal for the dsl is basicaly going |
| [04:46:23] | clever: | pole->box->box->modem |
| [04:46:45] | clever: | but theres several places for it to interfere with itself, 2 lines running paralel in oposite directions |
| [04:47:28] | clever: | the normal phone cord has 4 wires, both pairs are being used in both directions! |
| [04:48:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, i forgot, i do have a linksys 5-port, and an AP acting as a switch |
| [04:49:11] | clever: | im only using 1 port on my 'wireless router' |
| [04:49:17] | clever: | im treating it as an AP |
| [04:49:38] | clever: | dhcp is off so it wont do much other then bridge the LAN and wifi 'ports' |
| [04:50:58] | wagnerrp: | ive got 22 ports actively in use |
| [04:51:05] | clever: | lol |
| [04:51:22] | clever: | lets see if i can login to my switch today |
| [04:51:23] | wagnerrp: | out of 36 total |
| [04:51:54] | clever: | java normaly fights back |
| [04:52:25] | wagnerrp: | no, 26 in use |
| [04:52:28] | wagnerrp: | of course 10 of those are consumed by switch-switch connections |
| [04:52:32] | clever: | lol |
| [04:52:55] | clever: | ive only got 2 lines going between switches, 4 ports total |
| [04:53:22] | clever: | yep, java crapped out |
| [04:53:28] | clever: | its constantly loading CM.jar |
| [04:53:28] | wagnerrp: | well i have a pair of switches in the basement, one in my office, and then three routers acting as APs |
| [04:53:47] | clever: | 1218689621.116 3573 192.168.1.201 TCP_MISS/200 505228 GET http://192.168.1.2/CM.jar – DIRECT/192.168.1.2 text/plain |
| [04:53:50] | wagnerrp: | i ran four lines to my office, and then needed more, so i had to resort to a switch |
| [04:54:05] | clever: | i dont see why it would keep loading the same 505kb over and over |
| [04:54:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: same thing happened near my bedrom |
| [04:54:15] | clever: | ran 2 lines then needed more |
| [04:54:51] | wagnerrp: | i would have run more, but that would involve cutting another hole, installing another keystone panel |
| [04:55:05] | clever: | i dont even have proper ports on the walls |
| [04:55:19] | clever: | 1 hole behind the fridge and i just keep shoving cable after cable thru it:P |
| [04:55:25] | wagnerrp: | most of my lines are proper ports |
| [04:55:55] | wagnerrp: | the only one not being is one in the front room, which just got fed up the same hole the cable uses |
| [04:56:05] | clever: | java is still screwed up |
| [04:56:29] | wagnerrp: | of course there was no wall i could use there, its in the corner with both walls being double brick |
| [04:56:38] | clever: | ouch |
| [04:56:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, old house |
| [04:57:31] | wagnerrp: | but similarly, its in the corner, so you cant get behind the TV to see the wires sticking out of the floor |
| [04:58:14] | clever: | dad didnt want to cut holes in the wood floor |
| [04:58:21] | clever: | incase you ever move the stuff out of the corner |
| [04:58:36] | wagnerrp: | its carpet, and the hole was already there for cable |
| [04:58:46] | clever: | everything we added is run thru the hole in the floor behind the fridge |
| [04:58:56] | clever: | and then just along the floor behind a couch |
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| [04:59:13] | clever: | that hole leads to my bedroom where everything is fiberglass celeing tiles |
| [05:00:17] | clever: | maybe IE will handle the java better.. |
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| [05:09:41] | clever: | nope |
| [05:09:44] | clever: | java is screwed:P |
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| [05:38:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/networ . . . t.png/_full_ |
| [05:38:18] | clever: | took an hour but i found a java that doesnt asplode when i load the applet |
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| [06:01:25] | aaacreol: | Hey all! |
| [06:02:02] | aaacreol: | got a little problem... Cannot get channels using Avermedia AVerTVHD MCE A180 card |
| [06:02:27] | aaacreol: | I have been searching for days and have tried so many things my head is spinning. Any help would be appreciated! |
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| [06:14:07] | Steven_M: | hi again |
| [06:14:28] | Steven_M: | 3 quick questions |
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| [06:15:18] | fryfrog: | shoot! |
| [06:15:29] | Steven_M: | is the wintv pvr 150 an analogue only card? |
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| [06:17:11] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:17:31] | wagnerrp: | if you want a dual use card, look into the 1600 and 1800 |
| [06:17:45] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: thought so |
| [06:18:01] | wagnerrp: | most other digital cards do not have an mpeg encoder |
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| [06:19:28] | fryfrog: | what is the diff between those two and a PVR500? |
| [06:19:48] | fryfrog: | oh, nm |
| [06:19:55] | wagnerrp: | the 500 is a dual analog |
| [06:19:57] | fryfrog: | you mean those two are 1 digital and 1 analog tuner you can use |
| [06:20:00] | wagnerrp: | those two have one analog and one digital |
| [06:20:06] | fryfrog: | gotcha |
| [06:20:26] | wagnerrp: | discrete tuners, rather than a hybrid tuner like most digital cards |
| [06:20:30] | fryfrog: | Steven_M: before you go all willy nilly, you should prolly tell us a) where you live and b) what you are capturing from |
| [06:20:41] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: ok looking them up now |
| [06:20:58] | fryfrog: | right, as in most of the early ones could do analog *OR* digital (and analog was usually a crappy bit-banger) |
| [06:20:59] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: new zealand |
| [06:21:21] | fryfrog: | and you are capturing...? |
| [06:21:27] | fryfrog: | cable tv, sat, OTA? |
| [06:21:56] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: tv and sat hopefully |
| [06:22:11] | fryfrog: | what do you mean "tv"? |
| [06:22:11] | wagnerrp: | what kind of TV |
| [06:22:18] | fryfrog: | over the air (ota?) |
| [06:22:20] | fryfrog: | cable? |
| [06:22:24] | wagnerrp: | considering satellite is TV |
| [06:22:28] | fryfrog: | so is a vcr :p |
| [06:22:43] | wagnerrp: | well, a vcr is a capture method, not a source |
| [06:22:47] | fryfrog: | or a dvd player, if you watch a box set of a tv show :p |
| [06:23:05] | fryfrog: | it isn't a source (generaly) for myth, but it *is* a "source" of tv :p |
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| [06:25:23] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: sorry analogue ota and freeview digital sat |
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| [06:25:44] | fryfrog: | i imagine you'd need two totally diff cards then |
| [06:25:51] | fryfrog: | an analog one like the pvr150 for ota analog |
| [06:25:56] | wagnerrp: | freeview is DVB? |
| [06:26:05] | fryfrog: | and a sat (dvb?) type card for freeview (which i have nfi about) |
| [06:26:21] | wagnerrp: | and NZ is probably PAL, rather than NTSC |
| [06:26:43] | purserj: | if NZ is like Aus then yes it's PAL/DVB |
| [06:26:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if there are PAL versions of the 150/250/500 |
| [06:27:01] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: i'm like 99.9% sure there are |
| [06:27:03] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: it is PAL |
| [06:28:07] | Steven_M: | I know the 150 does PAL |
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| [06:28:27] | Animalcrkr: | anyone here so late? |
| [06:28:38] | fryfrog: | nah |
| [06:28:47] | Steven_M: | yes the sat is DVB |
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| [06:28:56] | Animalcrkr: | lol oh |
| [06:29:21] | fryfrog: | I doubt there is a DVB + MPEG2 Analog card, but... who knows. Nothing wrong with having two cards though. |
| [06:29:36] | Animalcrkr: | Anyone good at making tuner cards work? |
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| [06:30:19] | fryfrog: | nah, we all run our backends w/o tuner cards :p |
| [06:30:34] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: for less sarcasm, go ahead and ask some real, specific questions :) |
| [06:31:04] | Animalcrkr: | all channels fail in scan and I have been working on this for days... Avermedia AVerTVHD MCE A180 |
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| [06:31:34] | fryfrog: | Do the linux drivers for it seem to be happy? What does the mythtv's wiki think about that card? |
| [06:31:44] | Animalcrkr: | Im a noob when it comes to AV stuff |
| [06:32:12] | Animalcrkr: | mythwiki does not say much. They make it sound like it is easy. |
| [06:32:43] | fryfrog: | well, the basics will be more of a "linux drivers" type thing |
| [06:32:48] | fryfrog: | check dmesg output, see if it is happy |
| [06:32:50] | fryfrog: | lspci |
| [06:32:52] | fryfrog: | things like that |
| [06:33:04] | fryfrog: | then, there has to be a way to test the card outside of mythtv (i don't have one) |
| [06:33:24] | fryfrog: | like catting the device to a file, then trying to play the resulting file (works with ivtv based cards) |
| [06:33:27] | clever: | for most cards that output mpeg you can just cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and play that |
| [06:33:35] | fryfrog: | or using tvtime if it is a bit-banger |
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| [06:34:11] | Animalcrkr: | the drivers seam to load... dmesg okay dmesg says its loading |
| [06:34:29] | clever: | if you have /dev/video* nodes then the driver is working |
| [06:34:29] | Animalcrkr: | lspci list the card... not sure exactly what to look for here |
| [06:34:44] | clever: | atleast partialy |
| [06:34:54] | Animalcrkr: | actually i read that it is soposed to be /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [06:34:56] | fryfrog: | thats good enough, what device does it create? |
| [06:35:00] | fryfrog: | and is it? |
| [06:35:23] | Animalcrkr: | from what I read that is correct |
| [06:35:44] | fryfrog: | i mean, "ls /dev/dvb/*" |
| [06:35:47] | fryfrog: | there is something there? |
| [06:35:54] | fryfrog: | and then maybe inside adapter0 dir? |
| [06:35:57] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: wagnerrp: what I'm really wanting to know is, is there a card that has a hardware MPEG encoder and can capture DVB-S and analogue and can handle PAL? |
| [06:36:08] | Animalcrkr: | but oh yes its there |
| [06:36:18] | Animalcrkr: | yep inside adapter too |
| [06:36:46] | wagnerrp: | HVR-1300 |
| [06:37:05] | Animalcrkr: | One thing I jsut came accross was the permissions of the device |
| [06:37:13] | wagnerrp: | http://hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hvr1300.html |
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| [06:38:10] | Animalcrkr: | I show rw-rw---- on everything in /dev/dvb/adapter0 does that sound right? |
| [06:38:41] | clever: | paste the entire line for ONE item |
| [06:38:46] | wagnerrp: | what user/group? what user/group are you running the backend/mythtv-setup as? |
| [06:38:51] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: unfortunately that card only has DVB-T not DVB-S |
| [06:39:08] | Animalcrkr: | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 4 2008-08–13 22:00 demux0 |
| [06:39:35] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: sorry for being a pain |
| [06:39:43] | fryfrog: | as long as mythbackend runs as root or is a user running in the video group, it should be fine |
| [06:39:45] | clever: | i added my mythtv user to the video group(check the output of 'id') |
| [06:39:52] | fryfrog: | what does the output of the backend say when you try and scan? |
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| [06:39:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, im used to the states where we have one format to rule them all |
| [06:40:07] | wagnerrp: | plus a handful of worthless, encrypted formats |
| [06:40:16] | fryfrog: | you can run "mythbackend -v help" to see some logging output options, might find one that makes sense or just use "important" or "most" |
| [06:40:26] | fryfrog: | and actually, scanning is from mythtv-setup, right? |
| [06:40:33] | fryfrog: | so check the output on txt there |
| [06:41:13] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: that HVR-1300 is readlly DVB-S + PAL analog? |
| [06:41:35] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: the 1300 is DVB-T + PAL |
| [06:41:40] | Animalcrkr: | "output of backend" haent tried that. how do I do that? |
| [06:41:46] | wagnerrp: | 3000 is DVB-S + DVB-T + PAL |
| [06:42:02] | wagnerrp: | 4000 is all that, plus DVB-S2 |
| [06:42:08] | Animalcrkr: | yes from mythtv-setup |
| [06:42:50] | Animalcrkr: | can you tell me where to find mythtv-setup output? |
| [06:43:15] | wagnerrp: | unless you specify a log file, any output will just be in the terminal you ran it from |
| [06:43:30] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [06:43:41] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: does the 3000 have have a hardware MPEG 2 enoder too? |
| [06:43:46] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: run "mythtv-setup" in a terminal and alt-tab to it |
| [06:43:48] | Animalcrkr: | oh behind the screen brb |
| [06:44:00] | wagnerrp: | Steven_M: all three of those listed do |
| [06:44:27] | wagnerrp: | huh... maybe not |
| [06:45:06] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: excellent thanks :) |
| [06:45:18] | wagnerrp: | the 1300 has an encoder |
| [06:45:26] | wagnerrp: | but the 3000 and 4000 do not specifically say so |
| [06:45:39] | fryfrog: | DVB-T is their OTA HD spec, DVB-S is sat i think? |
| [06:45:48] | fryfrog: | so that card may not be exactly what you want |
| [06:45:50] | Animalcrkr: | @fryfrog no messages in terminal window of setup |
| [06:45:53] | fryfrog: | T for "terrestrial" |
| [06:46:08] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: so you run "mythtv-setup" and there is literally *nothing* output? |
| [06:46:10] | wagnerrp: | S is mpeg2 satellite, S2 is AVC satellite |
| [06:46:47] | fryfrog: | besides the fact that the big blue window pops up and all |
| [06:47:08] | Animalcrkr: | theres output but nothing new from the time that I start the scan |
| [06:47:31] | fryfrog: | try "mythtv-setup -v help" and see if it has any options |
| [06:48:25] | Animalcrkr: | ok give me a sec |
| [06:49:00] | wagnerrp: | Steven_M: the 3000 does not have an encoder, but i believe the 4000 does |
| [06:49:55] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: thanks :) |
| [06:53:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah... check up on that before buying a $300 card |
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| [06:57:25] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/compare/compare_hvr_int.html says the 3000 and 4000 only have software encoders but nevermind |
| [06:58:05] | Animalcrkr: | @fryfrog the only thing I see that might be of interest is "2008-08–13 23:56:40.190 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 3" |
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| [07:06:02] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: I might just bite the bullet and get the 150 for analogue. The reason I wanted a hybrid card is that if I didn't like the analogue quality it wouldn't be a waste of money cause I'd have the digital. |
| [07:06:59] | wagnerrp: | a 150 can be had for ~$60 |
| [07:07:11] | wagnerrp: | so its not a big loss |
| [07:08:20] | fryfrog: | you can always sell that nearly new 150 to someone else |
| [07:08:55] | Steven_M: | true |
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| [07:12:46] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: wagnerrp: the're about $155NZD here. I'm not complaining though |
| [07:13:07] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [07:13:11] | fryfrog: | AU really does suck |
| [07:13:21] | fryfrog: | USD ~~ AUD |
| [07:13:30] | fryfrog: | how does NZD compare to USD/AUD? |
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| [07:17:05] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: one NZD == 60 cents US I think, maybe lawer |
| [07:19:59] | ** Steven_M goes to dinner ** | |
| [07:20:34] | Steven_M: | thanks all for the info :-) |
| [07:23:02] | Animalcrkr: | Can anyone explain to me the diff between dvb-t and ATSC |
| [07:26:05] | Animalcrkr: | must be a real noob question. I think the crickets are out.. ;) |
| [07:26:21] | wagnerrp: | or rather no one is here that knows |
| [07:27:02] | wagnerrp: | well the two things that stand out are channel bandwidth, and modulation |
| [07:27:18] | wagnerrp: | ATSC uses 6MHz channels and 8VSB |
| [07:27:37] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T uses 8MHz channels and QPSK, 16-QAM, or 64-QAM |
| [07:28:26] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, DVB-T is further modulated using OFDM |
| [07:28:59] | wagnerrp: | apparently OFDM is more resistant to multipath experienced in urban environments |
| [07:29:15] | wagnerrp: | but 8VSB is more power efficient in sparse areas |
| [07:29:21] | Animalcrkr: | so when Im setting up a Digital Terrestrial tuner card (i.e. AVerTVHD MCE A180) I should scan using ATSC or DVB-T? or does it matter? |
| [07:29:38] | fryfrog: | where are you? |
| [07:29:42] | fryfrog: | ATSC is USA and uhhh |
| [07:29:44] | fryfrog: | Japan? |
| [07:29:46] | wagnerrp: | you should scan the type of card it is |
| [07:29:47] | fryfrog: | not sure |
| [07:29:50] | Animalcrkr: | USA |
| [07:29:56] | wagnerrp: | so scan ATSC |
| [07:30:18] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: you are doing OTA or Cable? |
| [07:30:28] | wagnerrp: | Japan is ISDB-T, they decided the rest of the world sucked |
| [07:30:29] | Animalcrkr: | I just wanted to make sure that I was doing the scans correctly. I still get no signals |
| [07:31:05] | Animalcrkr: | OTA? if thats antenna then yes OTA |
| [07:31:08] | fryfrog: | then, at least the canadians are with us in ATSC, right? |
| [07:31:18] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: why don't you setup datadirect and not even bother with tuning? |
| [07:31:25] | directhex: | fryfrog, guam is with you. that's about it |
| [07:31:27] | fryfrog: | it has listings (and frequency) info for your local area |
| [07:31:43] | directhex: | guam are the tech experts, of course |
| [07:31:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, north america, and bits of western south america are ATSC |
| [07:31:46] | fryfrog: | though, not finding anything when you scan does suck :p |
| [07:31:52] | Animalcrkr: | I setup schedules direct and no love |
| [07:31:57] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: since it is dvb, you can try command line tools |
| [07:32:04] | fryfrog: | like ascan and stuff |
| [07:32:35] | fryfrog: | if *those* don't find channels, then a) you don't have any channels b) your card is setup wrong or maybe c) your antenna is in a lead box |
| [07:32:38] | Animalcrkr: | i was trying dvb-utils scan and nothing there either |
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| [07:32:52] | Animalcrkr: | is that different than ascan? |
| [07:33:02] | fryfrog: | nah, thats what i mean |
| [07:33:10] | fryfrog: | if that doesn't find something, you need to fix something low level |
| [07:33:18] | fryfrog: | does your card have two inputs? |
| [07:33:27] | fryfrog: | one might be FM, the other TV... maybe you got them swapped |
| [07:33:27] | Animalcrkr: | thats where my noob side shows up |
| [07:33:40] | Animalcrkr: | I have Composit and svideo |
| [07:33:44] | fryfrog: | does antennaweb.org say... |
| [07:33:48] | fryfrog: | uh, what? |
| [07:34:21] | fryfrog: | Your card should have RF (and others?) |
| [07:34:26] | fryfrog: | RF being the big silver screw thing? |
| [07:34:49] | Animalcrkr: | has TV antenna, composite and S-video |
| [07:34:56] | Animalcrkr: | yeah RF |
| [07:34:59] | Animalcrkr: | ;) |
| [07:35:04] | fryfrog: | and you have an ant hooked to RF? |
| [07:35:18] | fryfrog: | does antennaweb.org say you should get a signal with the type of ant you have hooked up? |
| [07:36:00] | Animalcrkr: | yeah i checked that and I only need a small antenna to get most channels |
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| [07:38:01] | Animalcrkr: | small multi-directional antenna... I just checked again. |
| [07:39:45] | justinh: | I think it's going to be one of those days today. got up, what's the first thing I had to do? fix the broken flush on the toilet. great |
| [07:40:31] | justinh: | Animalcrkr: small != indoor |
| [07:40:57] | Animalcrkr: | okay new info... I noticed that signal strength 99% but noise is 91% is that the problem???? |
| [07:41:19] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [07:41:28] | justinh: | some drivers report signal strength in reverse |
| [07:41:33] | justinh: | try without the antenna |
| [07:41:40] | Animalcrkr: | huh? okay |
| [07:41:58] | justinh: | this is to determine which way the signal reading goes. nothing else |
| [07:42:01] | fryfrog: | (he means so you can see which way the number goes) |
| [07:43:00] | fryfrog: | i got most of my OTA with an old ass pair of rabbit ears |
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| [07:44:01] | Animalcrkr: | okay looks the same with and without the antenna |
| [07:44:07] | justinh: | anyway I thought the commandline dvb/atsc utils reported numbers in hex, not percentages |
| [07:44:30] | fryfrog: | to me that would imply your ant is not pulling in anything |
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| [07:44:33] | Animalcrkr: | this is in mythtv-setup |
| [07:44:44] | justinh: | try outside of mythtv-setup |
| [07:44:56] | justinh: | up to now you don't even know if the card works or not |
| [07:45:20] | Animalcrkr: | true but how can I tell for sure if it works |
| [07:45:28] | fryfrog: | he says he did some dvb-utils scans and didn't findn anhything |
| [07:45:45] | justinh: | if the commandline stuff fails, no point in proceeding whatsoever |
| [07:45:49] | fryfrog: | so either you got your card setup wrong or your ant is not giving you anything |
| [07:46:05] | justinh: | is the card's firmware loaded? |
| [07:46:28] | justinh: | I've seen cards where the device nodes are all created by the driver, but it fails to get a signal without the firmware loaded |
| [07:46:41] | fryfrog: | ah, good point |
| [07:46:48] | fryfrog: | does that card *have* a firmware though? |
| [07:46:55] | justinh: | good question |
| [07:46:59] | justinh: | a lot do these days |
| [07:47:04] | Animalcrkr: | In dmesg it says it is loading... [ 51.459057] nxt2004: Waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw)... |
| [07:47:09] | fryfrog: | i think it is a good thing for Animalcrkr to figure out :) |
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| [07:47:23] | fryfrog: | anything besides "waiting" |
| [07:47:24] | Animalcrkr: | yes I installed firmware based on mythtv wiki info |
| [07:47:31] | fryfrog: | cause, waiting implies it didn't actually go in? |
| [07:47:33] | fryfrog: | ah :/ |
| [07:47:46] | justinh: | still, waiting implies it hasn't yet loaded it |
| [07:47:51] | Animalcrkr: | checking brb |
| [07:47:57] | justinh: | if you see nothing about it loading the firmware... |
| [07:48:32] | Animalcrkr: | [ 51.498297] nxt2004: Waiting for firmware upload(2)... |
| [07:48:43] | Animalcrkr: | [ 53.038178] nxt2004: Firmware upload complete |
| [07:48:51] | justinh: | ah good news then |
| [07:49:04] | justinh: | that's one unknown out of the way! |
| [07:49:08] | Animalcrkr: | great! I guess |
| [07:49:30] | justinh: | does your TV happen to have an ATSC tuner? |
| [07:49:38] | Animalcrkr: | no |
| [07:49:47] | justinh: | always good to verify the antenna setup on other kit ;) |
| [07:49:59] | Animalcrkr: | I assume you mean HD |
| [07:50:14] | Animalcrkr: | I did have this card in a win box and it worked |
| [07:50:22] | Animalcrkr: | I got about 20 or so channels |
| [07:50:28] | justinh: | right so you more or less know your setup is ok |
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| [07:50:39] | justinh: | I say more or less because things can happen |
| [07:51:16] | justinh: | anyway, until you get a manual commandline scan to work you're still in the dark |
| [07:52:05] | justinh: | oh hell now I have a dead squirrel to dispose of. nice work doggy :-\ |
| [07:53:02] | fryfrog: | Animalcrkr: you mean with that ant and windows, you got chans no problem? |
| [07:53:05] | clever: | atleast it didnt drag a dead cat home |
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| [07:53:15] | clever: | then you would have to explain something to the neighbors kid:P |
| [07:53:20] | justinh: | lol |
| [07:53:29] | fryfrog: | wow, my dog doesn't stand a chance at catching a squirrel :p |
| [07:53:31] | Animalcrkr: | I ahve VLC installed and it says it cannot connect either, but Im not sure the frequency right |
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| [07:53:48] | fryfrog: | unless yours likes the pre-killed by car kind of squierrel? |
| [07:54:06] | Animalcrkr: | yes windows pickedup channels no prob |
| [07:54:14] | clever: | those pre-killed ones are normaly called road kill:P |
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| [07:54:44] | fryfrog: | well, that narrows it down a lot |
| [07:54:52] | fryfrog: | good fuckin luck, cause i got no idea now :) |
| [07:55:05] | clever: | damnit |
| [07:55:08] | clever: | my lirc blaster droped a digit |
| [07:55:13] | clever: | 1 hour of static from channel 2 |
| [07:55:17] | fryfrog: | it almost seems like it has to be something specific to linux and your card |
| [07:55:32] | Animalcrkr: | Crap |
| [07:55:33] | fryfrog: | you should take your 1 hour of static and feel *lucky* |
| [07:55:48] | fryfrog: | i get lots of 0 byte recordings of shows! i'd love static! |
| [07:55:55] | clever: | lol |
| [07:56:07] | clever: | 0 byte is something mythtv can detect and should be able to retry |
| [07:56:21] | fryfrog: | yeah, you'd think |
| [07:56:26] | clever: | static or wrong channel would be alot harder to detect in software |
| [07:56:31] | fryfrog: | but firewire and mythtv hate each other |
| [07:56:35] | clever: | atleast your problem has a chance of being fixed:P |
| [07:56:44] | fryfrog: | in my setup that is:) |
| [07:56:59] | fryfrog: | clever: quit uising some home grown device and tape something right to the STB :p |
| [07:57:11] | clever: | fryfrog: tape what:P |
| [07:57:35] | clever: | the blaster with the pvr-150 wont work |
| [07:57:48] | clever: | lirc_i2c.ko causes a kernel oops |
| [07:57:58] | fryfrog: | fix it! |
| [07:58:12] | clever: | that means rebooting every time i oops the system |
| [07:58:16] | fryfrog: | how does the 150s work anyway? |
| [07:58:21] | clever: | and this is the central server for everything:P |
| [07:58:26] | fryfrog: | is there 2 cables, one for recieve one for xmin? |
| [07:58:28] | fryfrog: | xmit? |
| [07:58:38] | clever: | the pvr150 has no output |
| [07:58:54] | fryfrog: | weren't you talking about using an irblaster earlier? |
| [07:59:05] | clever: | ahh yeah THAT output |
| [07:59:09] | clever: | thats on a mini headphone connector |
| [07:59:19] | fryfrog: | but the pvr150 can do in and out? |
| [07:59:21] | clever: | and yes thats on its own seperate cord |
| [07:59:27] | clever: | it can do ir in and out |
| [07:59:29] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [07:59:46] | clever: | under ubuntu 6.06 the lirc_i2c could receive just fine, but couldnt blast |
| [07:59:47] | fryfrog: | my pvr250s only had in afaik |
| [07:59:55] | clever: | but the qt4 was useless |
| [08:00:05] | clever: | so i upgraded every system to ubuntu 7.10 |
| [08:00:10] | fryfrog: | why not 8.04? |
| [08:00:12] | clever: | now lirc_i2c is totaly useless:P |
| [08:00:21] | clever: | 8.04 didnt exist at the time i upgraded:P |
| [08:00:28] | fryfrog: | ivtv made it into the kernel, i believe? |
| [08:00:36] | fryfrog: | did that happen in 7.10 or 8.04? |
| [08:00:41] | clever: | ivtv had to be built from source in 6.06 and 7.10 |
| [08:00:53] | clever: | but i was able to use the helper program |
| [08:01:23] | clever: | in 6.06, ivtv would totaly kill the system if i try to capture CC |
| [08:01:25] | clever: | which was on by default! |
| [08:01:40] | fryfrog: | in 8.04, ivtv is built into the kernel |
| [08:01:48] | clever: | after several hours i found out that i have to globaly murder vbi to fix it |
| [08:01:52] | fryfrog: | which i'm guessing means much more likely lirc + ivtv working nearly out of the box |
| [08:01:55] | clever: | which also disables display of it |
| [08:01:58] | clever: | ahh |
| [08:02:02] | fryfrog: | i think lirc might even be, cause i haven't fiddled with it in a while |
| [08:02:05] | clever: | that would also fix my other problem |
| [08:02:10] | clever: | i cant use my framegrabber |
| [08:02:22] | clever: | because a module it needs was replace by the ivtv source |
| [08:02:25] | fryfrog: | for myth, do you use packages or compile your own? |
| [08:02:28] | clever: | so the 2 drivers overlap |
| [08:02:34] | fryfrog: | ie, on .20 now ? |
| [08:02:48] | fryfrog: | cause 8.04 would smack you with some .21 if you were using distro packages |
| [08:02:52] | clever: | MythTV Version : 18122M |
| [08:02:53] | clever: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [08:02:53] | clever: | Library API : 0.22.20080811–1 |
| [08:03:04] | fryfrog: | ZOUNDS! |
| [08:03:16] | fryfrog: | you'd probably have to re-compile your trunk again, but that aint no thang |
| [08:03:21] | fryfrog: | why trunk, btw? |
| [08:03:27] | fryfrog: | why not 0.21-fixes? |
| [08:03:33] | clever: | the whole reason i went 6.06->7.10 was because the qt4 dev packages where useless |
| [08:03:49] | clever: | ive been running trunk since day 2 |
| [08:03:58] | clever: | (day 1 was 0.18 from the distro package) |
| [08:04:45] | fryfrog: | i've been much happier since i switched to .21-fixes, imho unless you have a good reason... going trunk is a little much |
| [08:05:05] | clever: | its pretty stable for me |
| [08:05:08] | fryfrog: | for instance, i used trunk 0.21 when 0.20 was current for the good firewire support (good reason) |
| [08:05:18] | fryfrog: | do you use any trunk features? |
| [08:05:18] | clever: | but the master backend abort()'ed today for the first time in a while |
| [08:05:26] | directhex: | 6.06 was over 2 years ago, it shipped with an appropriate myth version for the time |
| [08:05:42] | fryfrog: | gah, my firewire based backend aborts so much :p |
| [08:05:51] | clever: | directhex: which is why i switched to source right away when i found out how old the packages where:P |
| [08:06:06] | directhex: | clever, 2 years 2 months ago in "long time ago" shocker :o |
| [08:06:16] | fryfrog: | clever: don't be a wimp, you should dist-upgrade or full-upgrade a month or two after a new major release :) |
| [08:06:37] | directhex: | fryfrog, a month before! |
| [08:06:43] | clever: | fryfrog: the last time i did 2–3 rounds of dist-upgrade in a row it broke lirc:P |
| [08:06:45] | fryfrog: | nobody likes a dork that is running last years linux :p |
| [08:06:52] | clever: | fryfrog: http://pastebin.ca/1170955 |
| [08:07:05] | clever: | thats from my last abort() |
| [08:07:07] | fryfrog: | directhex: exactly! real men upgrade when it enters beta! |
| [08:07:08] | clever: | anything similar to yours? |
| [08:07:17] | fryfrog: | really, really real men upgrade at alpha |
| [08:07:24] | fryfrog: | and of course the gods just work on the new version |
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| [08:08:01] | directhex: | real men hex edit improvements into the binaries, because source is for wussy girls |
| [08:08:55] | fryfrog: | no no, i think xkcd has it right |
| [08:09:08] | fryfrog: | real men cause cosmic rays to modify the binary ont heir hard drive |
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| [08:11:05] | clever: | i expect the update to 8.04 will go good for atleast 1 system |
| [08:11:07] | clever: | and squid would help alot to speed things up |
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| [08:17:46] | Sulx: | rolling release ftw |
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| [08:18:52] | stuarta: | so i read in todays paper that signal upgrades mean some older STBs no longer work |
| [08:19:02] | directhex: | really? O_o |
| [08:19:08] | directhex: | whyso? |
| [08:19:34] | stuarta: | dunno yet. have to read some forums to see what's happening exactly |
| [08:19:44] | stuarta: | but my guess will be QAM16 -> QAM64 |
| [08:20:57] | directhex: | ehm... what kind of worthless STB wouldn't support QAM64? ones that have a big "DO NOT SELL IN OXFORD" warning on them? O_o |
| [08:21:24] | stuarta: | the ones they listed were the 1st gen stuff |
| [08:21:48] | ** stuarta goes looking for *facts* ** | |
| [08:22:33] | directhex: | 1st gen stuff? you mean ondigital boxes? |
| [08:22:56] | stuarta: | nah thay are pre alpha stuff :) |
| [08:23:53] | stuarta: | ahhh |
| [08:23:56] | ** stuarta finds facts ** | |
| [08:24:02] | stuarta: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a114443 . . . omplete.html |
| [08:24:17] | stuarta: | split nit |
| [08:24:53] | directhex: | sigh. another rescan, then? |
| [08:25:17] | stuarta: | it's not exactly current news. |
| [08:25:26] | stuarta: | the free paper must be a bit behind the times |
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| [08:36:16] | stuarta: | it should require a rescan, you'd only pickup more shopping channels anyway |
| [08:36:21] | stuarta: | shouldn't |
| [08:39:32] | justinh: | stuarta: the analogue switchoff is going to mean moving to 8k transmission mode & QAM64. it's true that older boxes (not just OnDigital ones) won't be able to do 8k |
| [08:40:07] | stuarta: | that and they are already testing dvb-t2 |
| [08:40:17] | stuarta: | which means *everything* out there is obsolete |
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| [08:40:44] | justinh: | dvb-t2 is only going to be used for HD in the short-medium term though |
| [08:41:03] | justinh: | well, HD & 'new' things |
| [08:41:13] | stuarta: | yes, but they will move everything onto it to allow more shopping channels! |
| [08:41:31] | justinh: | existing muxes, once pared down to just 5 will be what we have now minus a few BBC services |
| [08:42:24] | justinh: | I very much doubt the public would put up with a wholesale move to t2 |
| [08:42:51] | justinh: | there's going to be enough uproar when folks realise their 'HDTV' can't do terrestrial HD when it launches |
| [08:43:02] | stuarta: | the 1st gen dvb-t2 stb's are going to be crap |
| [08:43:07] | justinh: | that fact seems to have gone unnoticed so far |
| [08:43:11] | stuarta: | they've only just ratified the standard |
| [08:43:20] | justinh: | have they even done that though? |
| [08:43:24] | stuarta: | and oftcom want things running by the end of next year |
| [08:43:38] | justinh: | I thought they were testing, with a view to possibly tweaking the spec |
| [08:43:57] | justinh: | it's not so much a trial as a feasibility study IMHO |
| [08:44:05] | stuarta: | "....the newly-ratified DVB-T2 ...." |
| [08:44:11] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:44:27] | stuarta: | Friday, June 27 2008, that was dated |
| [08:44:27] | justinh: | DVB-T has a good few years left in it |
| [08:44:59] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before we see the first dvb-t2 tuner cards then... |
| [08:45:08] | justinh: | (if ever) |
| [08:45:09] | stuarta: | they exist already iirc |
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| [08:46:18] | justinh: | bloody hell dvico! |
| [08:46:54] | stuarta: | found one then? |
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| [08:48:55] | justinh: | not sure. could just be dvico naming stuff wrongly |
| [08:49:54] | justinh: | Ultraview DVB-T2 – in linux already apparently (!) |
| [08:50:15] | stuarta: | !!!! 8-) |
| [08:50:23] | justinh: | and maybe DVico FusionHDTV USB, AVStream Capture (DVB-T2) |
| [08:50:36] | justinh: | but that seems to be what their windows driver calls it |
| [08:50:42] | stuarta: | usb & hdtv isn't something i'd plan on combining |
| [08:50:43] | justinh: | so consider the jury still out |
| [08:51:06] | justinh: | a whole mux is still only like 64Mbits/sec |
| [08:51:44] | justinh: | I need to get shot of that pesky tree in my garden & get a dish up |
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| [08:52:51] | stuarta: | shotgun. quite theraputic too |
| [08:52:56] | justinh: | wonder how many existing dvb-t frontends could be coaxed into supporting T2 |
| [08:53:37] | stuarta: | fm, i just found a random post with my name in it |
| [08:54:17] | directhex: | justinh, i think sony's PlayTV could be absolute epic win for myth, if someone writes a driver. if. |
| [08:54:27] | stuarta: | what is it |
| [08:54:46] | directhex: | USB dual-t2 tuner |
| [08:55:02] | stuarta: | mostly curious |
| [08:55:37] | justinh: | eew. 30Mbit == DVB-T2 |
| [08:55:52] | justinh: | and they're talking about 4 or more channels |
| [08:57:14] | justinh: | jesus! The potential for bonded muxes too. fuck |
| [08:57:20] | stuarta: | wtf? |
| [08:57:36] | justinh: | i.e. one mux spread across more than one freq. |
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| [08:57:58] | stuarta: | that is going to break a lot of shit |
| [08:58:23] | stuarta: | dunno if the hardware even supports that atm |
| [08:58:30] | justinh: | depends |
| [08:58:51] | justinh: | the channel spacing is only 6Mhz, be easy for adjacent frequencies to be tuned at the same time in theory |
| [08:59:26] | justinh: | oops 8Mhz IIRC |
| [09:00:09] | justinh: | wideband tuners & clever demodulators :) |
| [09:00:21] | justinh: | I wouldn't worry about that |
| [09:00:25] | stuarta: | i'm sure it can be done |
| [09:00:41] | justinh: | so anyway this T2 standard may be 'ratified' but that ain't 'final' |
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| [09:00:48] | stuarta: | i just can't see it in 30quid hardware anytime soon |
| [09:01:04] | justinh: | I wouldn't buy a DVB-T2 tuner today that's for sure |
| [09:01:22] | stuarta: | i would if i had something to point it at |
| [09:01:40] | justinh: | already started looking at satellite gear but I'm concerned about S2 support in linux |
| [09:01:57] | stuarta: | S2 support is further along that T2 support |
| [09:02:03] | stuarta: | than |
| [09:02:17] | justinh: | the gear's been around for ages now.. is there even an API yet? |
| [09:02:33] | stuarta: | multiproto API???? |
| [09:02:44] | stuarta: | iirc that's what it's for |
| [09:04:04] | justinh: | people rallied round for multirec – could do the same for satellite. how much did they raise? how many tuners could be provided to devs? |
| [09:05:22] | justinh: | worth a punt. I'd not miss £30 |
| [09:05:39] | stuarta: | dunno. i got dvb-s card off gbee |
| [09:07:28] | quicksilver: | justinh: do you ever find that DVB-T BBC recording lose their lipsync slightly? |
| [09:07:35] | quicksilver: | not horrendously but just enough to jar. |
| [09:07:47] | ** quicksilver wonders if it's a recording issue or a playback issue. ** | |
| [09:08:27] | justinh: | give all the myth & kernel developers a dvb-s2 tuner |
| [09:08:33] | justinh: | anyone up for it? |
| [09:08:48] | directhex: | justinh, sure. but they still haven't decided on an API |
| [09:08:57] | justinh: | make them decide! :D |
| [09:09:15] | justinh: | is that the holdup here then? fucking politics? |
| [09:09:50] | justinh: | quicksilver: possibly just a playback issue though the a/v offset is well known to slide up & down |
| [09:10:19] | ** quicksilver nods. ** | |
| [09:10:35] | justinh: | buggers up many a STB, even recent ones |
| [09:10:44] | justinh: | a victim of statistical muxing |
| [09:11:41] | stuarta: | i've not had that for a long time |
| [09:11:49] | directhex: | justinh, iirc there are three competing s2 stacks. multiproto is the most final, but still isn't "ready", but nobody behind a given stack wants to concede defeat & make changes |
| [09:12:46] | justinh: | three? FFS |
| [09:12:55] | justinh: | egos getting in the way :-\ |
| [09:13:15] | stuarta: | i knew there was a reason i stopped following linux-dvb mailing list |
| [09:13:17] | justinh: | oh well. let's forget that bright idea then |
| [09:14:50] | justinh: | so, wonder how the dreambox guys got around it. they have dvb-s2 hardware up & going well |
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| [09:17:06] | directhex: | justinh, probably picked a svn tree and ran with it |
| [09:17:08] | EvilGuru: | I really don't like Thursdays in August, as the rag is littered with more 'A levels/GCSEs getting easier' articles, which are recycled from the previous 10 years |
| [09:17:37] | justinh: | so maybe they are/ kids definitely seem thicker nowadays |
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| [09:17:54] | stuarta: | there's no hope for them |
| [09:18:03] | justinh: | when you wind up with a newly qualified A-Level kid not being able to look up a fscking phone number.. heh |
| [09:18:15] | stuarta: | there was one in the park this morning at 8.30am drinking special brew with the local drunks |
| [09:18:31] | stuarta: | not a good sign for the future |
| [09:18:39] | justinh: | and to think, we want to have our own. jesus. |
| [09:18:43] | ** EvilGuru just got his results today...easy ** | |
| [09:18:54] | justinh: | so all A* then eh? ;) |
| [09:19:05] | EvilGuru: | A* I believe is next year, but all As |
| [09:19:06] | stuarta: | you can use irc. that's better than most |
| [09:19:34] | directhex: | there's no A* at a-level |
| [09:19:42] | justinh: | yet |
| [09:19:53] | justinh: | they have to have a grade for people who get more than 50% |
| [09:20:08] | EvilGuru: | If the A* system is just 90% in A2 modules, then I would have got 2 A* and 1 A |
| [09:20:41] | justinh: | back in the day, you couldn't have a life AND do well in exams. how that has changed :) |
| [09:21:02] | stuarta: | ah those were the days |
| [09:21:40] | justinh: | one of my mates showed me an A-Level physics paper. I'm not kidding it had a question that was on my GCSE |
| [09:22:02] | stuarta: | ouch |
| [09:22:08] | justinh: | a sailboat. vectors |
| [09:22:23] | EvilGuru: | justinh: One of the questions on my maths paper (Core 4) was exactly the same as the one in my text books practise exam paper |
| [09:22:39] | justinh: | it's all tailored to league tables & performance measurement so OF COURSE things are going to get easier |
| [09:22:42] | stuarta: | shoot the people writing the paper |
| [09:23:06] | EvilGuru: | It is also the marking, I have no idea how they come up with some of the marks |
| [09:23:26] | justinh: | I've always said that exams are crap anyway. no measure of how clever somebody is just because they memorise a load of stuff |
| [09:23:40] | EvilGuru: | Seems as if 80% in the paper (actual marks) will get you 95% UMS marks (which is what gets you a grade) |
| [09:23:49] | stuarta: | i like my 2nd year electronics exam |
| [09:23:56] | justinh: | I'm not thick but sometimes I fail to remember what I did 3 minutes ago |
| [09:24:13] | stuarta: | the lecturer spent the 6months telling us to learn how to do things from principles |
| [09:24:22] | justinh: | EvilGuru: even in the early days it was weighted though |
| [09:24:29] | stuarta: | not just rote learning of the types of circuits we'd done |
| [09:24:43] | justinh: | so if the top scoring student only got 49%... at least that was how it was explained |
| [09:24:54] | stuarta: | come to the paper and the circuit was a combination of 2 different one |
| [09:24:54] | justinh: | stuarta: kirchoff's law etc? bleugh |
| [09:25:06] | stuarta: | so if you'd memorized it you were fucked |
| [09:25:14] | EvilGuru: | Took us two lessons to go over that when I did physics :/ |
| [09:25:32] | EvilGuru: | which is amazing as it is common sense/logic at best |
| [09:25:32] | stuarta: | justinh: nah, biasing of transistors and suchlike |
| [09:25:38] | justinh: | we had questions about stuff that wasn't even covered in our lessons in Computer Studies |
| [09:25:55] | stuarta: | 3rd control systems sucked |
| [09:26:02] | stuarta: | 10 minutes of reading time |
| [09:26:06] | justinh: | even now, ROFLMAO @ Kimball Tags |
| [09:26:17] | EvilGuru: | Next year physics has no synoptic paper and is multiple choice |
| [09:26:19] | justinh: | punched cards. this was in 1998 |
| [09:26:20] | stuarta: | at the end of which, we all went "is this even the right paper" |
| [09:27:02] | justinh: | I tried doing a degree. it was mostly learning by rote – and I don't do that |
| [09:27:17] | justinh: | some time later signed up for an HND. same again. ffs |
| [09:27:30] | stuarta: | my pet hate was the numpties doing CS |
| [09:27:37] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:27:37] | EvilGuru: | I read in the times a while ago that you could get 11% in a GCSE English paper by writing "Fuck off!" |
| [09:27:39] | stuarta: | who would come and ask me how to do it |
| [09:27:45] | justinh: | aye |
| [09:27:46] | stuarta: | ie. give me the answer |
| [09:27:57] | EvilGuru: | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_sty . . . e4237491.ece |
| [09:27:59] | justinh: | I used to get pulled out of French to help the CS teacher ffs |
| [09:27:59] | stuarta: | i'd tell em without giving the answer |
| [09:28:08] | stuarta: | no loss there |
| [09:28:14] | justinh: | I still got a C |
| [09:28:43] | ** stuarta tries to decide what to break next ** | |
| [09:29:04] | justinh: | I was pretty angry that somebody got an A for their 'pools predictor' project which was just a bunch of PRINTs though |
| [09:30:42] | justinh: | anyway, how broken was imageshack last night – clickied on a link to there & firefox wanted to save the .php |
| [09:31:48] | justinh: | roflmao "One pupil who wrote \u201cf*** off\u201d was given marks for accurate spelling and conveying a meaning successfully." |
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| [09:32:43] | EvilGuru: | Now I just need to find £180 a week for accommodation in London |
| [09:33:13] | justinh: | I get a sense there's something they've missed out in that article. like the students who wrote 'fuck off!' and got 18% for that is ALL they got |
| [09:33:42] | EvilGuru: | I think that it might be able to get you a G at GCSE |
| [09:33:47] | directhex: | wrong. |
| [09:33:52] | directhex: | that gets a U |
| [09:33:55] | directhex: | trust me |
| [09:35:43] | justinh: | I basically only wrote my name on my Graphical Communication exam & got a G |
| [09:36:08] | stuarta: | wtf is a G? |
| [09:36:15] | EvilGuru: | stuarta: One below an F |
| [09:36:30] | stuarta: | really only need ABC & F |
| [09:36:37] | stuarta: | maybe D & E too |
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| [09:36:54] | justinh: | U is basically, turned up |
| [09:36:55] | EvilGuru: | A level is ABCDE and U (I think there might be an N for almost an E) |
| [09:37:07] | stuarta: | N for not quite |
| [09:37:22] | justinh: | oh wait U can be 'didn't turn up' too |
| [09:37:46] | stuarta: | we had PC (pass conceded) at uni |
| [09:38:03] | stuarta: | for when you only just failed a subject (45–49.99%) |
| [09:38:09] | stuarta: | and failed no others |
| [09:38:26] | stuarta: | it became a PT (pass terminating) if you failed anything else |
| [09:38:43] | stuarta: | PC ~= pass, PT ~= Fail |
| [09:38:48] | quicksilver: | I had a friend whose maths module grades read "E N D" |
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| [09:38:52] | quicksilver: | she decided that was a sign. |
| [09:39:04] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [09:39:09] | justinh: | looking around for jobs now I'm greatly disheartened by the amount of positions that require a degree no matter what |
| [09:39:36] | stuarta: | justinh: maybe look at the RHCE cert stream |
| [09:39:53] | stuarta: | become l33t unix boy |
| [09:39:57] | justinh: | yeah I looked. spending too much time thinking about how I'll pay for training |
| [09:40:13] | justinh: | training/exams |
| [09:40:22] | stuarta: | there is that |
| [09:40:28] | stuarta: | morning Steven_M |
| [09:40:39] | stuarta: | or evening in your case :) |
| [09:40:53] | justinh: | I did more than ok in that online test I did, so there's hope at least :) |
| [09:41:18] | stuarta: | you have more clues than most mcse's |
| [09:41:27] | Steven_M: | hi stuarta :) |
| [09:41:46] | justinh: | hahaha. I've worked with MCSEs in the past. those guys were beyond clueless |
| [09:42:06] | justinh: | I'm not saying all MCSEs are by any means but the ones I've known.. christ |
| [09:42:13] | EvilGuru: | Ah uni, fun fun |
| [09:42:57] | Steven_M: | What does PVR and HVR mean? |
| [09:43:13] | justinh: | they're just parts of product names |
| [09:43:14] | stuarta: | mcse = exam cram |
| [09:43:21] | EvilGuru: | Steven_M: In the context of Hauppauge products? |
| [09:43:31] | stuarta: | although PVR is generic for Personal Video Recorded |
| [09:43:31] | justinh: | PVR == analogue |
| [09:43:32] | stuarta: | although PVR is generic for Personal Video Recorder |
| [09:43:42] | justinh: | HVR == hybrid – analogue & digital |
| [09:44:01] | justinh: | oops. I mean analogue OR digital |
| [09:44:24] | justinh: | as in 'you can have analogue, or you can have digital. separately. as in not at the same time' |
| [09:44:32] | justinh: | with one exception IIRC |
| [09:44:58] | Steven_M: | ok thanks all :) |
| [09:45:36] | justinh: | is it the HVR1600 or HVR1800 that can do analogue & digital at the same time? anyway one of those can IIRC |
| [09:50:40] | sid3windr: | 1800 can |
| [09:53:21] | justinh: | oh facking heck. today we've got Metal Mickey's Greatest Hits (or something) |
| [09:53:29] | justinh: | vocoder disco-pop. W T F |
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| [09:57:04] | directhex: | didn't you snip the speaker wire? |
| [09:57:36] | justinh: | yes. it was repaired |
| [09:58:32] | stuarta: | use a chain saw instead |
| [09:59:44] | justinh: | could formatting an iPod be construed as criminal damager? |
| [09:59:56] | stuarta: | probably |
| [10:00:07] | stuarta: | using a hammer, definitely |
| [10:00:12] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [10:00:16] | sid3windr: | it's in a brand new format now! |
| [10:00:18] | sid3windr: | nice and flat! |
| [10:00:22] | stuarta: | :) |
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| [10:08:25] | justinh: | hotukdeals.com.. there is NO need for this kind of stuff. no need at all: http://hotukdeals.com/item/227709/love-muscle . . . lay-com-rrp/ |
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| [10:12:44] | sid3windr: | lolwtf |
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| [10:35:40] | stuarta: | is it home time yet? |
| [10:36:21] | stuarta: | this time tomorrow i'll be in a beer hall in Munich :) |
| [10:37:11] | directhex: | yes, it's home time. |
| [10:37:12] | directhex: | shoo! |
| [10:37:17] | justinh: | this time tomorrow I'll be packing up to go to my inlaws :( |
| [10:37:18] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [10:37:39] | stuarta: | :( |
| [10:38:09] | justinh: | but at least I'm DJing tomorrow night & saturday night. something to look fwd to |
| [10:38:29] | directhex: | what was inte's next-gen xvmc called again? |
| [10:38:39] | justinh: | hrhrhrhrhrhr ;) |
| [10:39:30] | EvilGuru: | directhex: libva? |
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| [10:40:13] | EvilGuru: | I hear Duke Nukem Forever will ship with it out of the box for video playback |
| [10:40:26] | justinh: | noveau ? |
| [10:41:09] | EvilGuru: | libva, the 'replacement' for XvMC by Intel |
| [10:41:17] | directhex: | i used to joke that debian sarge was shipping with duke nukem forever |
| [10:41:23] | EvilGuru: | but yeah, noveau and radeonhd are up there somewhere |
| [10:41:25] | directhex: | that game's taking forever! |
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| [10:42:16] | EvilGuru: | I also hear the soundtrack of the game will be the title track from the album Chinese Democracy |
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| [11:07:52] | justinh: | hmm struggling to find any evidence the playtv supports dvb-t2 |
| [11:11:37] | directhex: | they promise HD. i'm not sure how else they plan on doing it |
| [11:11:52] | stuarta: | maybe the HD that's carried on dvb-t |
| [11:11:56] | directhex: | hm, it's suggested that it's NOT t2 |
| [11:12:03] | directhex: | so who's pushing HD on t1? |
| [11:12:11] | stuarta: | they've tested it |
| [11:12:40] | stuarta: | some places have done it as mpeg4/h264 on t1 |
| [11:12:45] | Nido: | you know, they actually announced to be doing Duke Nukem Forever AGAIN |
| [11:12:58] | stuarta: | but i think it's gunna go dvb-s2/t2 for mass adoption |
| [11:13:20] | Nido: | anyway, any of you have some experience with transcoding i mythTV? I can't seem to get it to work |
| [11:13:26] | justinh: | no way in the world HD will be anything but dvb-t2 over aerials in the UK |
| [11:13:39] | justinh: | Nido: you've not set up any transcoding profiles, that's why |
| [11:14:58] | justinh: | so. I'll tell you what re mythtv & HDTV in the UK. forget about it for a few years eh |
| [11:15:08] | Nido: | justinh: I have set up one, named MPEG4. However, if I go to the media_library->watch recorded shows (or whatever, I'm stranslating from dutch), pick a show, and go to task list-> transcode. I can transcode to "standard" "autodetect" "high quality" "medium quality" and "low quality" |
| [11:15:32] | justinh: | and? |
| [11:15:42] | Nido: | I can't find my MPEG4 setting |
| [11:16:08] | justinh: | ah you renamed a profile |
| [11:16:11] | Nido: | and I want it to do the MPEG4 thing, for that is readable by ffmpeg and alike. That doesn't the the jpeg-compression |
| [11:16:23] | justinh: | although you can rename profiles, the names are actually hard-coded |
| [11:16:28] | directhex: | perhaps sony is just bullshitting, and will underdeliver. that's their style with the ps3 |
| [11:17:05] | justinh: | Nido: why not just record in the mpeg4 format anyway? |
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| [11:17:37] | Nido: | justinh: because I don't think my processor will be up to recording two MPEG4 streams at the same time |
| [11:17:43] | ** Nido has two framegrabbers ** | |
| [11:18:02] | justinh: | whoops |
| [11:18:05] | Nido: | even with jpeg-compression, it already has a problem with keeping up to it |
| [11:18:18] | justinh: | hope you're not expecting any sympathy :P |
| [11:18:27] | Nido: | hey, the first one i already had, the second one was a gifs |
| [11:18:30] | Nido: | *gift |
| [11:18:50] | Nido: | sympaty no, but some idea in where the conversion tools are would be nice :) |
| [11:18:56] | justinh: | my dad gave me two framegrabbers. they're in the bin now :) |
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| [11:19:07] | Nido: | if you can fish them out I'd love to have 'em |
| [11:19:27] | Nido: | second reason i want to convert afterwards is because i can manually select commercials to cut out, since it doesn't work that greatly in the netherlands |
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| [11:58:00] | justinh: | bit late to fish them out of the landfill :D |
| [11:58:58] | justinh: | commflagging doesn't work very well anywhere in Europe |
| [11:59:30] | justinh: | doesn't bother me much since about 90% of what I watch is on BBC |
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| [12:07:13] | Nido: | bbc has no commerials anyway |
| [12:08:06] | justinh: | <3 BBC :D |
| [12:08:15] | Nido: | :) |
| [12:08:18] | jduggan_: | i like bbc |
| [12:08:22] | Nido: | me too |
| [12:08:28] | Nido: | they have top gear |
| [12:08:31] | jduggan_: | hah |
| [12:08:49] | Nido: | I think I shouldn't have been fucking around with the database, I think that's the problem |
| [12:08:55] | EvilGuru: | Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You FTW |
| [12:09:06] | jduggan_: | land of the jaguar has been brilliant |
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| [12:09:20] | jduggan_: | if anyone has been watching it.. |
| [12:09:33] | Nido: | Skunk Fu |
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| [12:15:00] | Nido: | ever seen that? |
| [12:16:57] | justinh: | is Mock the Week supposed to be funny? |
| [12:17:14] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Meant to be offensive |
| [12:17:24] | EvilGuru: | It being funny is just a side effect |
| [12:17:37] | justinh: | Hmmm |
| [12:18:08] | justinh: | Sandi Toksvig is funnier, and that ain't saying much IMHO |
| [12:18:56] | justinh: | Mock The Week was about as funny as Mel or Sue last time I saw it. Better than nowt – and miles better than any itv 'comedy' |
| [12:22:54] | EvilGuru: | I do not watch anything regularly on ITV since about 3–4 years now |
| [12:23:34] | justinh: | oh neither do I but I sometimes walk in on my wife watching it |
| [12:23:53] | justinh: | sadly, deleting ITV from myth wouldn't be very popular |
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| [12:25:03] | justinh: | the bits of Benidorm I've caught are 'keeping up appearances' funny :-O |
| [12:29:47] | justinh: | (fyi not very funny at all) ;) |
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| [12:31:15] | roothorick: | I just bagged a WinTV something-or-other, hopefully a PVR series |
| [12:31:18] | roothorick: | for free |
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| [12:32:01] | roothorick: | on a side note, has anyone tried connecting a Wiimote to their Myth machine and controlling it from that? |
| [12:32:24] | justinh: | somebody did & they scribbled on the wiki about it |
| [12:33:01] | justinh: | problem is, I think only the button presses really work cos mouse support in myth is er.. umm.. hmmm... |
| [12:33:44] | roothorick: | on second thought, it may not be a good idea since my Wii is going to be right next to the box |
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| [12:34:14] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . a_Wii_remote |
| [12:34:45] | roothorick: | so Myth doesn't really have any pointer support? |
| [12:34:50] | directhex: | the ps3 remote is a MUCH more sensible device, yet has seen almost 0 dev time |
| [12:35:00] | justinh: | it has SOME mouse support |
| [12:35:09] | justinh: | it wasn't designed for mouse operation |
| [12:35:10] | GreyFoxx: | root: most of it does not support pointers |
| [12:35:18] | roothorick: | ah |
| [12:35:26] | GreyFoxx: | It's intended for remote/keyboard controls :) |
| [12:35:32] | GreyFoxx: | not many have a mouse on their tv :) |
| [12:35:37] | justinh: | that is slowly improving but the majority of users won't care |
| [12:35:48] | GreyFoxx: | but anything converted to the new mythui library has the sideeffect of mouse support |
| [12:35:52] | roothorick: | yeah I know. But now we have a pointer that is well-suited for a home theater setting |
| [12:36:06] | justinh: | kind of |
| [12:36:22] | justinh: | apart from the fact it only controls one thing at a time :P |
| [12:36:29] | roothorick: | haha |
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| [12:36:39] | justinh: | <3 my one-for-all |
| [12:36:44] | roothorick: | yeah, syncing it back and forth between Wii and Mythbox will get old fast |
| [12:37:01] | justinh: | well, you could buy another |
| [12:37:03] | roothorick: | but you could just buy another remote, sync it to PC, and label it somehow |
| [12:37:12] | justinh: | but then that's two remotes! |
| [12:37:12] | roothorick: | and then you've got basically perfect convenience |
| [12:37:22] | justinh: | one for myth, one for tv & the rest :-z |
| [12:37:30] | roothorick: | pfft. The Wii can support up to SEVEN. |
| [12:37:38] | borga2: | I've got a problem when starting multipple recordings, using multipple dvb-t cards. The second recording failes to record anything! |
| [12:37:49] | roothorick: | well... with a firmware update it could |
| [12:37:49] | justinh: | no. I mean one remote to control myth/wii then a remote for the television |
| [12:38:09] | roothorick: | justinh: in my setup, it would be one for Myth, one for Wii, one for cable box+TV and one for speakers |
| [12:38:11] | justinh: | I used to have 6 remotes. now I just have one |
| [12:38:25] | roothorick: | justinh: oh yeah and two PS2 controllers, and Rock Band crap, and and and and and... |
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| [12:38:31] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:38:33] | justinh: | serves you right |
| [12:38:53] | justinh: | borga2: mythbackend logs say much? |
| [12:39:37] | borga2: | I'll try to use the pastebin. |
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| [12:41:41] | roothorick: | on Freecycle, guy is giving me a "WinTV PCI card" made by "Hauppage" that can "connect to video sources" and "tune unscrambled analog channels", and "also tunes FM radio stations" |
| [12:41:49] | roothorick: | what model do you think it is? |
| [12:41:56] | sid3windr: | a hauppauge wintv pci |
| [12:42:05] | roothorick: | obviously |
| [12:42:05] | sid3windr: | (yes, that's a model name) |
| [12:42:31] | borga2: | If you would like to look at http://pastebin.ca/1171394 |
| [12:44:29] | roothorick: | sid3windr: no on-board encoder I take it? |
| [12:44:46] | sid3windr: | no, nothing |
| [12:44:49] | sid3windr: | I have the same in my desktop |
| [12:44:53] | sid3windr: | it's not even got stereo sound ;) |
| [12:44:56] | sid3windr: | 10y old |
| [12:44:57] | roothorick: | I saw that, haha |
| [12:45:05] | roothorick: | well, I'm gonna go pick it up anyway |
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| [12:50:28] | sid3windr: | yeah, it works for my pc :p |
| [12:50:31] | sid3windr: | windows/dscaler |
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| [13:02:17] | roothorick: | meh. I already have an ATSC/NTSC combo card that does the same thing but with stereo sound |
| [13:02:28] | roothorick: | I'm still gonna go pick it up in case it's something fancier |
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| [13:18:47] | borga2: | justinh: did you have a look @ it? |
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| [13:40:46] | teprrr: | hi, has anyone tried coreavc out with current trunk? |
| [13:40:57] | teprrr: | current as in <2–3weeks old |
| [13:47:01] | teprrr: | ah, my bad, nm. |
| [13:47:32] | teprrr: | btw, in case you're wondering, you need to modify the patch to get it cleannly i |
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| [14:19:36] | leprechau: | brb.... |
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| [14:25:03] | justinh: | where did leprechau go? I miss them already :-( |
| [14:25:20] | justinh: | right back.. wah! this isn't right back! |
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| [14:25:26] | justinh: | lol |
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| [14:33:24] | justinh: | bug in neon-wide eh? file under #whocares |
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| [14:38:30] | justinh: | er.. file under #fixed |
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| [14:49:59] | kdub: | i cant seem to get the analog input of my nova-s card to work, any ideas? |
| [14:52:52] | justinh: | you'd have to add the analogue side of the card to mythtv as a new tuner card, and make sure the dvb side is only opened on demand to avoid blocking the analogue part |
| [14:53:12] | justinh: | apart from that it's generally a pretty bad idea |
| [14:54:51] | kdub: | yeah, multiple frontends on linux have never worked the way i want them to... |
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| [14:56:10] | directhex: | that's nothing to do with it |
| [14:56:43] | directhex: | and as opposed to multiple frontends on what? qnx/neutrino? |
| [14:56:44] | justinh: | oh joy. the spec of this machine has changed. it was ready to ship & now they want another ethernet port fitted. which means finding a socket on a scrap board & modding metal. yay |
| [15:01:35] | hashbang: | MythTV (or rather general purpose computers and dumb DVB-T cards) FTW :-) |
| [15:01:43] | hashbang: | http://www.freeview.co.uk/features/transmission |
| [15:02:59] | ** justinh laughs an evil laugh ** | |
| [15:03:38] | justinh: | kdub: fwiw, if you're looking to transfer some VHS/camcorder stuff, beg/borrow/steal/buy a DVD recorder. record to doovde, rip doovde to PC |
| [15:04:39] | kdub: | nah, i need to hook up my computer to my directv settop box |
| [15:05:09] | justinh: | ah then buy a pvr-150 |
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| [15:06:02] | kdub: | i'd rather not buy new things if i have something that can already work though |
| [15:06:11] | ajh: | So, once .22 is out the 1212 will be the default right? :) |
| [15:07:13] | teprrr: | 1212? db version or what do you mean? |
| [15:07:20] | ajh: | HDPVR-1212 |
| [15:07:24] | teprrr: | aah, sorry :) |
| [15:07:34] | teprrr: | 121x is current db schema in trunk afaik |
| [15:07:50] | ajh: | I'm looking forward to no more transcode :) |
| [15:07:57] | teprrr: | was too easy to mixup the number :) |
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| [15:08:37] | directhex: | kdub, there are a whole host of reasons why using the analog input on your nova-s is a bad idea. are any of them likely to make a difference? |
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| [15:10:02] | justinh: | as you've already discovered, using the video input of the dvb-s tuner doesn't work now. so it doesn't already work though :D |
| [15:10:36] | golvellius: | Hi to all ...;) |
| [15:10:56] | golvellius: | Someone experienced in mythtv and hvr-4000 ? |
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| [15:12:29] | kdub: | directhex: does my kernel need to be compiled with framebuffer support? mplayer complains about no /dev/fb0 when i try to tune using that |
| [15:13:07] | golvellius: | I have install driver to mythbuntu , and it's possbile to see dvb-t with kaffeine but with mythtv allways channel lock ...;( |
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| [15:13:57] | golvellius: | Plz i need help !! |
| [15:13:59] | directhex: | kdub, you're doing something seriously wrong then. framebuffer devices are output-only. and the nova-s is not equipped with output |
| [15:15:41] | kdub: | directhex: nevermind about that, i just remembered thats another issue |
| [15:15:48] | directhex: | golvellius, that's not a descriptive problem. "allways channel lock"? |
| [15:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | hope those folks whole think the HD-PVR is the end to their transcoding don't mind leaving the commercials in :) |
| [15:18:14] | golvellius: | i am able to scan channels dvb-s and dvb-t but when i am going to watch them in mythtv i can not watch them |
| [15:18:41] | golvellius: | I have to run kaffeine and after that i run mythtv to watch the dvb-t channels ... |
| [15:18:42] | kdub: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and then 'file test.mpg' reveals that its capturing a jvt nal sequence, so shouldnt that be a good sign? |
| [15:18:49] | iamlindoro_: | since there is no lossless commercial cut of HD-PVr stuff |
| [15:19:34] | golvellius: | Maybe is a problem of initzialization of the hvr-4000 ? |
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| [15:20:15] | iamlindoro_: | golvellius: Are you running trunk or .21? |
| [15:20:41] | justinh: | kdub: framebuffer is to do with video OUTput, not INput. damn |
| [15:20:58] | golvellius: | I am using kernel 2.6.24–19 ( mythbuntu) and multifrontend driver |
| [15:21:06] | golvellius: | trunk? |
| [15:21:22] | ** justinh suspects golvellius needs the multiproto patch and needs to run trunk (ouchy) ** | |
| [15:21:27] | golvellius: | The driver from the linuxtv.org ...;) |
| [15:21:34] | iamlindoro_: | And even then, it won't be supported :) |
| [15:21:35] | justinh: | trunk is the development version of mythtv |
| [15:21:43] | golvellius: | ok |
| [15:22:07] | golvellius: | And is working with hvr-4000 correctly ? |
| [15:22:11] | justinh: | buy a tuner card which is better supported in linux – preferably one where the API has been finalised |
| [15:22:26] | justinh: | that pretty much rules out dvb-s2 |
| [15:22:38] | justinh: | go tell the kernel devs to stop bickering about it |
| [15:22:45] | golvellius: | what do you recomends me ? |
| [15:23:30] | golvellius: | What card's are the best for linux ? |
| [15:24:11] | justinh: | for dvb-s2 – nothing |
| [15:24:18] | golvellius: | ok |
| [15:24:58] | golvellius: | and for dvb-t with hd |
| [15:25:10] | justinh: | see linuxtv.org & the wiki there |
| [15:25:41] | justinh: | it's a little out of date but a very good way to find out what definitely works in linux |
| [15:26:19] | golvellius: | So for teh hvr-4000 .... nothing to do with it in linux ? |
| [15:26:40] | iamlindoro_: | not until DVB and kernel devs stop acting like children |
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| [15:27:40] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/293961 says it works with dvb-s just fine |
| [15:27:52] | golvellius: | What i do not understand is why this card is working wiht kaffeine (sat and tdt) and with mythtv is not working ? |
| [15:28:14] | justinh: | maybe you didn't set the correct tuner type in mythtv-setup. that is a very common mistake |
| [15:29:24] | iamlindoro_: | Also, since multiple frontend support for DVB was added VERY recently to trunk, you need to be running fairly current trunk, which is to say, .21 won't work. At all |
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| [15:31:00] | golvellius: | If first of all i start kaffeine and after that i use mythtv .. all works .. but if first of all i use mythtv .. no image ;( |
| [15:31:31] | justinh: | as dvb-s or dvb-s2 ? |
| [15:31:42] | golvellius: | as a dvb-t |
| [15:31:59] | justinh: | maybe it would work with the DEVELOPMENT (TRUNK) VERSION |
| [15:32:32] | iamlindoro_: | anykey_: You may run into many audio sync issues (and I mean severe ones) as well as substantial visual artifacting and ugliness |
| [15:32:56] | golvellius: | it is a compiled version of trunk for ubuntu |
| [15:33:22] | justinh: | golvellius: then it might be too old |
| [15:33:30] | golvellius: | iamlindoro_ i get prefect image and sound it's ok . I have only tested for 15 minutes .. |
| [15:33:31] | justinh: | or maybe you still need to patch it |
| [15:33:43] | iamlindoro_: | golvellius: Look at my last message-- I was not speaking to you |
| [15:33:54] | golvellius: | ;( |
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| [15:34:03] | justinh: | better to do your research BEFORE buying hardware in future! |
| [15:34:20] | golvellius: | yes |
| [15:34:32] | anykey_: | iamlindoro_: how come I don't? |
| [15:34:32] | justinh: | all those hybrid tuners are overrated anyway |
| [15:34:48] | justinh: | analogue OR DVB-T OR DVB-S OR DVB-S2. pfft |
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| [15:35:31] | golvellius: | what about usb tuners ? |
| [15:35:34] | iamlindoro_: | anykey_: Because you haven't tried enough yet-- as gbee said in #mythtv, the pain of disabling deblocking is most apparent in higher compression samples. It will be less apparent in high bitrate stuff, but really awful in lower bitrate |
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| [15:36:10] | justinh: | lower bitrate meaning broadcast TV ;) |
| [15:36:48] | janneg: | I though it meant youtube |
| [15:36:49] | justinh: | wow that hvr4000 is a lot of money for something to not work on linux properly |
| [15:37:26] | golvellius: | yes , like the lifeview trio card .. or hybrids cards |
| [15:37:42] | gbee: | youtube, revision3, cnet – that sort of thing |
| [15:37:45] | justinh: | golvellius: IMHO hybrid cards are a waste of time anyway |
| [15:37:58] | justinh: | oh THAT kind of low bitrate. yikes |
| [15:38:09] | golvellius: | justinh: What card are you using? |
| [15:38:19] | justinh: | a card no longer sold :) |
| [15:38:29] | golvellius: | jeje |
| [15:38:43] | justinh: | I bought three of them for a quarter of the cost of your hvr4000 |
| [15:38:56] | justinh: | (all three) |
| [15:39:37] | golvellius: | i know but i have no free pci |
| [15:39:50] | iamlindoro_: | get MOAR SLOTZ |
| [15:39:51] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [15:40:09] | golvellius: | For dvb-t ? what os the best card .? |
| [15:40:30] | justinh: | even a hybrid tuner still takes up one slot, and if it can only work on one thing at a time.. it's just like any other tuner – albeit much more expensive |
| [15:41:02] | golvellius: | Yes ... it's a mistake .. i know . |
| [15:41:06] | justinh: | look at the dvb-t part of the linuxtv.org wiki. pick a card, fine one nice & cheap |
| [15:42:08] | justinh: | I paid about30 Euro for the latest DVB-T tuner I bought |
| [15:42:21] | justinh: | it might even have been cheaper |
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| [15:44:19] | justinh: | some of the very cheap USB dvb-t tuners work in linux too |
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| [15:44:55] | iamlindoro_: | I think the analog side of digital tuners should be banned |
| [15:45:06] | iamlindoro_: | because people keep trying to *use* them |
| [15:45:16] | directhex: | are there any reliable pcie tuners yet? |
| [15:45:32] | iamlindoro_: | Think the HVR-1800 is more or less getting there for us US-dwellers |
| [15:45:46] | directhex: | and non-hybrid? |
| [15:45:49] | justinh: | directhex: not AFAIK |
| [15:46:01] | justinh: | chipset datasheets are scarce |
| [15:46:02] | iamlindoro_: | probably not, yeah :) |
| [15:46:24] | justinh: | the problem seems to be lack of availability of pci-e bridge chip data |
| [15:46:36] | cesman: | directhex: check the linuxtv wiki |
| [15:47:03] | directhex: | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/41729659 |
| [15:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmm, cartoon aneurysm |
| [15:47:40] | justinh: | "There are currently no supported DVB-S PCIe cards." |
| [15:48:00] | justinh: | woo http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCIe_Cards |
| [15:48:07] | golvellius: | Thanks for all ... |
| [15:48:18] | golvellius: | I am going to burn my hvr-4000 ;) |
| [15:48:19] | justinh: | hvr1200 & hvr1700 |
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| [15:48:55] | directhex: | hm, interesting |
| [15:49:27] | directhex: | assuming (big assumption) kernel oopses in sky2.ko are over, then that would mean i have 2 pcie slots to play with |
| [15:49:33] | justinh: | "To improve reception of DVB-T signals, an antenna can make a lot of difference". ORLY |
| [15:49:35] | directhex: | i think. damn, i forget how my board is laid out |
| [15:49:42] | golvellius: | bye |
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| [15:51:16] | directhex: | wait, damn |
| [15:51:24] | directhex: | 2x pci, 2x pci-x, 2x pcie16 |
| [15:51:54] | directhex: | and with a gpu, that's a pcie slot used |
| [15:52:59] | gbee: | onboard ftw |
| [15:55:43] | justinh: | oh sure, I can add another esata port to the back panel. what?! you want it today? |
| [15:56:12] | justinh: | are these guys just making up the effing spec as they go along? |
| [15:56:19] | ajh: | Yes. |
| [15:57:12] | ajh: | I really hope the new macpro has more full width slots. |
| [15:57:16] | justinh: | so they won't mind if I leave it til tomorrow then. no doubt it'll have changed again |
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| [15:58:38] | ** justinh wonders how much money it really costs to have one base product with about 100 variants ** | |
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| [16:08:33] | justinh: | well, new ethernet port works. can't say the same about the software |
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| [16:22:13] | iamlindoro_: | There goes justinh wielding his commit powers willy nilly again |
| [16:23:18] | justinh: | lol |
| [16:23:24] | justinh: | there'll be even more soon |
| [16:23:32] | justinh: | more carnage in the xml |
| [16:25:09] | justinh: | I find it easier to do myth work at work than I do at home |
| [16:25:56] | justinh: | should get a fair bit done on saturday. yay I can work away from home with der laptop |
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| [16:32:59] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I don't mind making the odd change to themes I hate but I'm still nervous as hell of committing code. rightly so I think |
| [16:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | As would I be |
| [16:33:49] | justinh: | "works for me" only goes so far :P |
| [16:34:18] | justinh: | meh. dh0 isn't being seen here. hrm |
| [16:35:59] | justinh: | dodgy power cable. so much for sata being better eh |
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| [16:38:46] | justinh: | now that's a bit clever. being able to pan around cctv images which are already on disk. camera with 270 deg fisheye lens, de-warping in software |
| [16:40:26] | justinh: | soon there will be no hiding place :( |
| [16:40:41] | ajh: | I was predicting that for digital handhelds actually. |
| [16:41:06] | ajh: | Nice to see its getting cheap enough, a similar technique is used for interpreting satellite DM's. |
| [16:41:26] | justinh: | who said anything about cheap? |
| [16:41:34] | ajh: | How much CPU is it taking to do? |
| [16:41:38] | ajh: | I assumed you were doing it realtime. |
| [16:41:43] | justinh: | we are |
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| [16:41:49] | justinh: | in DSPs |
| [16:41:50] | ajh: | Huge cluster? |
| [16:41:55] | justinh: | hell no |
| [16:41:59] | ajh: | Well, then it's cheap. |
| [16:41:59] | ajh: | :) |
| [16:42:08] | ajh: | I'm not talking dollars, I'm talking cycles. |
| [16:42:11] | justinh: | ah |
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| [16:42:44] | justinh: | still not that expensive in hardware actually |
| [16:42:47] | ajh: | With small cameras it could help correct some of the edge aberation from those tiny round lenses. |
| [16:42:58] | ajh: | Well, the satellite stuff was 12 years ago :) |
| [16:43:03] | justinh: | cheaper to use good lenses still |
| [16:43:15] | borga2: | justinh: Have you had time to look at it? |
| [16:43:21] | ajh: | You had to hand-correct to get things like mountains to have the right aspect. |
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| [16:43:59] | justinh: | borga2: I did. no idea |
| [16:44:13] | borga2: | To bad, thx. |
| [16:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | I have this program for Digital SLR images that contains profiles for hundred of lenses and automates all the correction-- was expensive, but is extremely nice and make s a huge difference |
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| [16:44:49] | justinh: | but – if all cctv cameras were 360' field of view.. :-O |
| [16:44:56] | ** PatrickDK borrows iamlindoro's computer ** | |
| [16:45:02] | ajh: | iamlindoro, can you T&S with it? |
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| [16:45:24] | ajh: | Easy to use software T&S is the killer app for photography. |
| [16:45:43] | justinh: | our HD stuff is pretty neat too. 2 megapixel network cameras |
| [16:45:45] | ajh: | Considering how long it takes to setup a T&S shot. |
| [16:45:50] | iamlindoro_: | ajh: Sorry, don't know the term |
| [16:45:56] | ajh: | justinh, you don't work for Luminera eh? |
| [16:45:59] | justinh: | Tits & socks |
| [16:46:04] | ajh: | iamlindoro, Tilt and Shift. |
| [16:46:21] | ajh: | It's how you stand 100' in front of the Empire State building and get a head-on shot. |
| [16:46:37] | ajh: | I want it for aspect correction in climbing photography. |
| [16:46:48] | ajh: | So doing the manual dial approach really isn't viable. |
| [16:47:02] | ajh: | and a view camera is a touch bulky :) |
| [16:47:08] | iamlindoro_: | ah, hmm... if it does, I haven't played with the functionality-- it's called DxO Optics Pro-- I just let it do the automated color and lens correction, haven't explored further functionality |
| [16:47:25] | justinh: | ajh: no I don't work for luminera |
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| [16:48:28] | ajh: | Justinh, they do similar things, use 35mm lenses on their IP connected stuff. |
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| [16:48:56] | ajh: | Or something like that, a friend worked there, I haven't used them myself. |
| [16:49:18] | ajh: | I will setup something at the new place to keep an eye on things though. |
| [16:49:25] | justinh: | it's not very often I've seen video look as good as this is |
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| [16:49:46] | justinh: | if ever, infact |
| [16:50:06] | justinh: | maybe this company has a hope after all :) |
| [16:51:05] | justinh: | right I'm done. |
| [16:51:08] | justinh: | hometime! |
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| [17:12:21] | SHADOW__X: | i figured out which tuner is giving an issue |
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| [17:26:32] | kacheng: | hi |
| [17:26:54] | kacheng: | has anyone encountered an issue with mythtv crashing the server when the disk gets full? |
| [17:27:22] | kacheng: | i have a 250GB harddrive mounted to it's own directory |
| [17:27:34] | kacheng: | but it doesn't respect the 10GB buffer that I have in the settings |
| [17:28:03] | kacheng: | and crashes the box regularly when the free space on that disk gets to 20kb. |
| [17:28:09] | iamlindoro_: | Are you doing anything crazy like one giant recording file, not having listings, etc? |
| [17:28:37] | kacheng: | not that i know of |
| [17:28:46] | kacheng: | what do you mean by one giant recording file? |
| [17:28:54] | Saviq: | hi guys, I read that some other people have the same problem – when fast forwarding / rewinding, all's fine, but when I want to go back to playback, the video hangs (audio is breaking up and mythf is saying 'writeaudio: buffer underrun') |
| [17:28:55] | kacheng: | and not having listings? |
| [17:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | As in, setting up a manual recording for many many hours, not having Tv listings, etc. |
| [17:29:24] | Saviq: | does anyone know a solution? |
| [17:30:01] | kacheng: | @iamlindoro no, all my recordings are typical show lengths and i use schedule direct |
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| [17:30:07] | tank-man: | kacheng, are the shows set to auto expire? |
| [17:30:47] | kacheng: | some of my shows (many of them i guess) are set to NOT auto expire and to not record more than 5 episodes |
| [17:31:25] | kacheng: | even if they aren't set to auto-expire, shouldn't the 10GB buffer be respected? |
| [17:31:37] | kormoc: | Someone here had some sorta script they were running on the menu layouts and all that jazz, anyone remember who that was? |
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| [17:35:21] | kacheng: | usually after a crash, the mythconverg database gets corrupted |
| [17:35:27] | kacheng: | and everything is all screwed up |
| [17:35:49] | clever: | my mythconverg is on a seperate partition from the video data |
| [17:35:58] | tank-man: | are any shows set to auto expire? the computer can't guess which shows you want to delete |
| [17:36:16] | kormoc: | kacheng, it should just stop recording if it can't autoexpire I thought |
| [17:36:33] | iamlindoro_: | kacheng: Are you sure the drive filling up doesn't also include /var/lib? |
| [17:36:33] | clever: | kormoc: you would think, but ive never seen it do that |
| [17:38:12] | kacheng: | my mythtv data hard drive is on it's own drive and mounted on /media/data/mythtv |
| [17:38:21] | kacheng: | far away from the mythconverg database and /var/lib |
| [17:38:23] | kormoc: | what's the logs say when it hits the limit? |
| [17:38:33] | kacheng: | good question |
| [17:38:39] | kacheng: | where can one find these logs? |
| [17:38:46] | clever: | im guessing same 3–4 lines repeated 5k times |
| [17:39:37] | kacheng: | karmoc, as clever mentions, i've never seen it stop recording because it can't autoexpire – it seems to go until the disk is full and then kaput |
| [17:40:06] | clever: | once the disk is full it spams stdout with errors as it constantly trys to write |
| [17:41:20] | tank-man: | lol, a whole lot of guessing and not looking at logs |
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| [17:55:51] | wagnerrp: | tank-man: isnt that standard procedure? |
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| [18:06:44] | kacheng: | clever: have you encountered this for a long time? |
| [18:07:05] | clever: | kacheng: i was running on just 2–3gig free all the time |
| [18:07:17] | clever: | so ive been keeping a very close eye on my schedules and free space |
| [18:07:27] | clever: | and setting alarms to warn me an hour before it finaly ran out |
| [18:07:57] | clever: | now i got a new 320gig drive and it will last until the 19th, where i set the usual alarm:P |
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| [18:08:46] | kacheng: | nice. so i guess this is a bonafide bug and not a configuration error on my part? |
| [18:08:57] | clever: | bit of both |
| [18:09:12] | clever: | most of the devs just tell you to let more expire and get a bigger harddrive |
| [18:09:18] | clever: | and dont bother fixing it |
| [18:10:36] | kacheng: | sounds kind of lame |
| [18:10:49] | clever: | harddrives are cheap:P |
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| [18:11:03] | kacheng: | so what's that setting that allows a buffer space for? nothing i guess |
| [18:12:12] | clever: | its in the mythtv settings near tv settings |
| [18:12:33] | clever: | but ive also found nearby bugs |
| [18:12:38] | clever: | if i set the limit to 1gig |
| [18:12:48] | clever: | and its busy commflaging the only 1gig file it can expire |
| [18:13:05] | clever: | it will happily run itself into the ground to let that finish:P |
| [18:13:18] | kormoc: | clever, oh go to hell. Bad mouthing volunteers is a nasty thing to do, especially in the same channel as they are |
| [18:13:31] | clever: | lol |
| [18:13:38] | clever: | i'll just stfu then:P |
| [18:14:41] | kormoc: | kacheng, if it's a valid bug, it'll get fixed, but without logs it's hard to say if it's valid or not |
| [18:15:06] | kormoc: | as for where the logs are, you need to tell it where to log, run mythbackend --help and I believe it's listed there, but I'm not in front of my box to check |
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| [18:15:43] | kacheng: | okay cool. i'll look for them tonight |
| [18:16:04] | kacheng: | thanks |
| [18:16:29] | bsdfox: | anyone know how to update the mythvideo list without going to setup->video manager? |
| [18:16:38] | GreyFoxx: | can't |
| [18:16:40] | bsdfox: | preferably a command line |
| [18:16:42] | bsdfox: | damn |
| [18:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | haven't you asked this before ? |
| [18:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are some scripts out there for auto filling in info |
| [18:17:02] | bsdfox: | yes I was hoping soemoene else would have a solution |
| [18:17:03] | kormoc: | mythweb can with a new enough version, but it's not a cli |
| [18:17:04] | GreyFoxx: | but there is no "mythtv" way to do it |
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| [18:17:28] | GreyFoxx: | Personally I just sent mythvideo to browse the file system, and never really use the video manager |
| [18:17:39] | kormoc: | I guess one could wget the mythweb hook... |
| [18:17:43] | GreyFoxx: | I only use the video manager when I'm specifically saving something I want to add metadata for |
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| [18:18:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's not required just to access videos you don't need metadata for |
| [18:18:10] | sphery: | bsdfox used to ask his mom for permission after his dad said, "No." |
| [18:18:27] | bsdfox: | lol.. 1 of 1392 |
| [18:18:37] | kormoc: | sphery, you weren't the guy who was doing the menu-theme tree thing, were ya? |
| [18:19:02] | gbee: | kormoc: that was jams |
| [18:19:08] | kormoc: | ahh, rgr, thanks |
| [18:19:14] | sphery: | doesn't ring any bells (though with the current state of my memory, that's not necessarily a, "No.") |
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| [18:19:39] | kormoc: | I finally bothered to put the menu theme I'm currently using in my svn tree |
| [18:19:43] | sphery: | kormoc: was it a MythWeb thing? If so, it's a no. |
| [18:19:49] | kormoc: | he was interested in mapping it |
| [18:19:56] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, frontend menu layout theme |
| [18:20:47] | sphery: | No, then. I'm not qualified for UI stuff. As far as UI goes, I tend to adapt to the universe around me rather than trying to bend it to my will. |
| [18:20:54] | gbee: | he wrote a little app which spiders the frontend menus and creates a flowchart |
| [18:21:10] | kormoc: | Yeah, it was slick |
| [18:21:13] | jams: | kormoc- i shall check it out sometime soon |
| [18:21:36] | gbee: | it's hosted on his website, can't remember the address – or find it through google, but he's in #mythtv a lot of the time |
| [18:21:40] | kormoc: | jams, https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/MythTV/MenuThemes/simple |
| [18:21:43] | gbee: | oh there here is |
| [18:22:30] | jams: | gbee it's mythvantage.com |
| [18:22:48] | jams: | or jmeyer.us depending on what i'm doing |
| [18:22:50] | gbee: | jams: thanks, I've probably got it bookmarked but I've too many bookmarks ;) |
| [18:23:21] | sphery: | gbee: I've been feeling your recent pain for the last couple of days. Did a hardware switch on my frontend and have been working out all the issues. |
| [18:23:45] | sphery: | I took the easy way out, though. Unlike you, I just decided to replace the new hardware rather than make it work. |
| [18:24:01] | sphery: | (end up getting an extra computer out of the deal that way :) |
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| [18:25:42] | gbee: | heh, well I added to that pain yesterday after screwing up my laptop, required an OS reinstall and my cdrom drive is knackered – spent tem hours reinstalling, fixing etc |
| [18:25:48] | gbee: | s/tem/ten/ |
| [18:25:53] | sphery: | Wow. |
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| [18:27:03] | justinh: | oo speaking of menu themes.. any thoughts about xml-ifying osd menus & popup menu content (as in doing what can be done with existing menu themes) ? |
| [18:27:04] | sphery: | I did a kernel upgrade on my systems (including laptop), which meant that my wireless driver changed from the old bcm43xx to the b43 driver. Took me 3 days of background processing (but only about an hour of trial and error, total) to figure out how to make it work with my AP's encryption. |
| [18:27:28] | justinh: | gbee: ouchy! |
| [18:27:39] | sphery: | didn't jams do something kind of like that for the popup menu? |
| [18:27:45] | gbee: | managed to get 95% through the install process before the install would fail because it couldn't read the CD, that's before the bootloader is installed ... it was painful and took juggling different versions of the install media (Mandriva Mini, Live etc) until I managed to get a bootloader and I was able to start the f'ing thing |
| [18:27:46] | kacheng: | hi again, is it possible to have mythtv transcode my mpeg-2 (Hauppage PVR-150) videos to smaller mpeg 4 videos automatically? I tried to set this up, but found that after the transcode, if the .nuv source file is deleted, the show disappears fromt the menus, even if the newly transcoded file still exists in the shows directory. Any way to keep the show listing around, pointing to the... |
| [18:27:48] | kacheng: | ...smaller transcoded file, and delete the original .nuv file? |
| [18:28:10] | wagnerrp: | gbee: why not just network boot the installer? |
| [18:28:16] | gbee: | but then I still had to reinstall most of the packages since the post-install scripts hadn't been run |
| [18:28:29] | sphery: | kacheng: don't use nuvexport, use the built-in-to-myth transcoder/transcode job |
| [18:28:36] | justinh: | sphery: did he? heh if so, then yay. I'm way behind on commits lately |
| [18:29:08] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well because my desktop machine was down too – was a perfect storm of bad luck |
| [18:29:10] | sphery: | kacheng: but there are many recipes/scripts on the wiki for how to transcode with nuvexport and then replace and re-import the transcoded video |
| [18:29:29] | wagnerrp: | your desktop is your mythtv box? |
| [18:31:09] | gbee: | wagnerrp: no ... but involving that would have been even more trouble (trust me ;) ) |
| [18:31:45] | wagnerrp: | bah, its just a tftp client, and some minor changes to your exports and dhcp configs |
| [18:31:54] | gbee: | I'm now planning to stick the Mandriva installer on a flash drive so I can avoid this trouble in the future, plus I might just starting backing up the root partitions of my machines |
| [18:32:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: also the user mode nfs server doesnt like nfs root, which was a major change for me |
| [18:32:37] | wagnerrp: | ah, never used user-mode nfs |
| [18:32:43] | kacheng: | sphery: confused – are you saying i should use mythtranscode or nuvexport to get the job done? |
| [18:32:44] | clever: | wagnerrp: and most routers dont let you do those minor dhcp changes |
| [18:33:05] | clever: | so you need to run your own dhcpd and disable the in router one |
| [18:33:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if youre using a consumer router as a dhcp server, you would have to replace it with a copy of dhcpd |
| [18:33:32] | sphery: | kacheng: if you use what's built into myth, it will all be taken care of for you automatically. If you use an external program (such as nuvexport), you have to do the work--but there are examples on the wiki. |
| [18:33:41] | clever: | ive got 3 systems that can netboot from the same root path now |
| [18:33:55] | justinh: | yeah and what hassle that gave you! |
| [18:34:16] | clever: | but thats on the same lvm volume as my mythtv recordings, so i need to shut the systems down if i want to resize2fs the volume |
| [18:34:31] | sphery: | gbee: I made a custom USB stick boot disk and then found that a bunch of my systems couldn't actually boot from it. Very disappointed in modern BIOS's. |
| [18:34:44] | gbee: | sphery: :( |
| [18:34:51] | clever: | sphery: i still cant get a SD chip booting with grub:P |
| [18:34:55] | sphery: | in other words, I recommend testing, first. |
| [18:35:05] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, I will |
| [18:35:06] | clever: | and whenever i do add grub, the cellphone starts asking to format the thing |
| [18:35:19] | wagnerrp: | the only experience i have with USB booting is a USB floppy |
| [18:35:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive booted an entire usb hdd enclosure before with no trouble |
| [18:35:44] | gbee: | Mandriva Mini should install itself straight onto a flash drive, so it's not too much effort if it doesn't work |
| [18:35:44] | clever: | no special changes to the config at all |
| [18:35:52] | clever: | windows and linux 'just work' from it |
| [18:36:06] | wagnerrp: | i have run into troubles where i had an external hard drive plugged in, so the BIOS tried to boot off it |
| [18:36:30] | wagnerrp: | 'NO OPERATING SYSTEM FOUND'.... holy shit!!! |
| [18:36:45] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [18:36:47] | clever: | tell the bios 'wrong drive noob' |
| [18:36:54] | sid3windr: | my previous pc did that on the cf card reader |
| [18:36:58] | sid3windr: | scared the bejeezus out of me a few times |
| [18:37:03] | sid3windr: | "woah where did my partition go" |
| [18:37:06] | clever: | lol |
| [18:37:12] | sid3windr: | as it said "NTLDR not found" |
| [18:37:13] | clever: | i dont reboot much so it wouldnt happen to me often |
| [18:37:19] | sid3windr: | well, I don't reboot much either |
| [18:37:26] | sid3windr: | which is exactly why it happened to me 3 times in a row or so =) |
| [18:37:32] | sid3windr: | "oh, shit, of course" *remove cf" |
| [18:37:49] | sid3windr: | (where the 3 times were 2 months apart) |
| [18:37:52] | clever: | my cf reader is weird |
| [18:37:59] | clever: | it shows up as 2 block devices under linux |
| [18:38:14] | clever: | both with identical content |
| [18:39:05] | clever: | mounting both has to screw things up |
| [18:39:24] | clever: | but it hasnt yet |
| [18:40:04] | kacheng: | sphery: thanks, ill try again. which do you prefer rtjpeg or mpeg4? |
| [18:40:26] | clever: | rtjpeg gives horidly large files |
| [18:40:29] | sphery: | MPEG-4 will be /much/ smaller. rtjpeg may be larger than MPEG-2 |
| [18:41:31] | sphery: | If your goal is small files, I recommend MPEG-4. If your goal is small files that are playable on non-Myth systems, the built-in transcoder may not be ideal (as it will put the MPEG-4 in an NUV container, which most media players don't know how to use). |
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| [18:42:14] | sphery: | You can go to the trouble (figuring out, configuring) and expense (processor time/power usage) of transcoding, or buy more HDD's. My preference is the latter approach. |
| [18:42:44] | kacheng: | okay then, so i have two goals: 1 save space so i don't have to go buy another harddrive |
| [18:42:46] | wagnerrp: | any talk of converting to mkv or mp4 in the future? |
| [18:42:59] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, the only reason for using nuv in the first place was aspect ratio support |
| [18:43:06] | clever: | 14 15:09:11 < clever> most of the devs just tell you to let more expire and get a bigger harddrive |
| [18:43:07] | sphery: | kacheng: You can get nice 750GB HDD's for about $85, now... |
| [18:43:09] | clever: | 14 15:09:18 < clever> and dont bother fixing it |
| [18:43:11] | clever: | :P |
| [18:43:16] | kacheng: | 2. be able to occasionally shove a tv show onto my blackberry to watch on the plane or subway |
| [18:43:23] | sphery: | kacheng: http://www.digitaleditor.com/eu.aspx?url=http . . . -1_8-18-2006 |
| [18:43:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i may have to do that in the near future, im down to about 300GB free |
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| [18:43:43] | sphery: | then http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640A-R&cpc=SCH or http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WD7500AAKS-R&cpc=SCH |
| [18:43:46] | wagnerrp: | ~15% available |
| [18:43:55] | clever: | sphery: i was planning to get something like that but dad wound up grabing a 320gig drive:P |
| [18:44:14] | clever: | and he still considers 80gig to be large |
| [18:44:20] | sphery: | IMHO, $85 for 750GB makes saving space a waste of time... :) |
| [18:44:31] | ajh: | 80GB is large if you're trying to fill it yourself. |
| [18:44:38] | sphery: | clever: I agree--80GB is /huge/ (for anything except video) |
| [18:44:43] | clever: | yeah |
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| [18:44:45] | sid3windr: | ajh: you mean with word docs? :] |
| [18:44:52] | clever: | now that i got 200gig i just doubled my bitrate |
| [18:44:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres not much point to buying anything less than 500GB anymore |
| [18:44:58] | sid3windr: | because with enterprise grade powerpoints it can still go fast ;) |
| [18:44:59] | clever: | now im avoiding space saving things:P |
| [18:45:01] | ajh: | Or just about anything, I mean my 80G is 600+ CD's |
| [18:45:05] | wagnerrp: | considering its all of $10-$15 more than an 80GB |
| [18:45:26] | sphery: | sid3windr: though Word writes so many copies of each document in the file that it will fill up fast if you do as required with Word--save early and often. :) |
| [18:46:03] | ajh: | I'll probably go to using raid-0+backups vs the 1+0 I'm using now when I go to 1tb drives... |
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| [18:46:25] | wagnerrp: | ajh: backups to what? |
| [18:46:32] | sphery: | backup TV? |
| [18:46:36] | ajh: | rsync most likely. |
| [18:46:48] | ajh: | Since I'll be stuck on satellite downlink for a while. |
| [18:46:49] | wagnerrp: | but i mean, to another hard drive |
| [18:46:59] | ajh: | Yes, another server. |
| [18:47:05] | clever: | im using svn to backup the config on my router |
| [18:47:08] | clever: | mainly so i can undo any change i ever made |
| [18:47:29] | sphery: | SVN wouldn't work well for recordings, though. :) |
| [18:47:30] | wagnerrp: | ok, because tape and BDR is too expensive, DVDR is too time consuming |
| [18:47:34] | ajh: | ok, I'd better go finish cleaning up as the house appraiser gets here any time. |
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| [18:49:39] | sphery: | Hmmm. Turns out the WD SATA is sold out. Here's the Seagate 750GB SATA for $85 one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST375 . . . &cat=HDD |
| [18:50:08] | clever: | i also dont have any sata ports |
| [18:50:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im not to that point yet, but itll only be another month or two |
| [18:50:19] | sphery: | (only $85 after going to the discount link-- http://www.digitaleditor.com/eu.aspx?url=http . . . -1_8-18-2006 |
| [18:50:24] | wagnerrp: | clever: any? or any free? |
| [18:50:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: none at all |
| [18:50:36] | clever: | pata on everything |
| [18:50:40] | sphery: | clever: they also have PATA: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640A-R&cpc=SCH |
| [18:50:42] | wagnerrp: | old hardware... |
| [18:50:57] | wagnerrp: | i swore off pata several years ago |
| [18:51:06] | clever: | 10mb/sec |
| [18:51:08] | sphery: | I have PATA on my myth backends (Athlon XP 2000+ 's) |
| [18:51:08] | clever: | wagnerrp: i only found out last month that i had a 40 wire ide ribbon |
| [18:51:44] | sphery: | think one has some SATA, too (but, funny enough, not the one with the SATA disk--where I just stuck in a SATA PCI card) |
| [18:52:05] | clever: | sphery: that doesnt change the fact that i spent most of my money on the 320gig and now i cant get a more massive one:P |
| [18:52:28] | wagnerrp: | clever: your dad spent your money for you? |
| [18:52:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: i was going to pick the drive myself but when i finaly get to the store i find out he allready bought the drive:P |
| [18:54:10] | wagnerrp: | so why did you pay him back? |
| [18:54:16] | clever: | i havent yet:P |
| [18:55:54] | rimbob: | sphery: the 640 gig WD? |
| [18:56:59] | sphery: | rimbob: the 750GB Seagates. |
| [18:57:07] | clever: | sphery: that pata drive you linked to is larger then my entire lvm volume group |
| [18:57:09] | rimbob: | you said a WD was sold out |
| [18:57:14] | clever: | it could replace every drive in my box |
| [18:57:24] | sphery: | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST375 . . . &cat=HDD (SATA) and http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640A-R&cpc=SCH (PATA) |
| [18:57:27] | kacheng: | what does the nuv container do? |
| [18:57:45] | justinh: | it contains nuvs |
| [18:57:47] | kacheng: | i read just now that you could potentially just rename .nuv to .mp4 and have it work? |
| [18:57:53] | justinh: | hahah no |
| [18:58:03] | kacheng: | assuming you had transcoded to mp4 |
| [18:58:08] | sphery: | rimbob: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WD7500AAKS-R&cpc=SCH is sold out |
| [18:58:11] | justinh: | well yes |
| [18:58:15] | justinh: | if it's mpeg4 |
| [18:58:28] | rimbob: | sphery: i bought a 640 gig for 76 |
| [18:58:45] | sphery: | kacheng: it would work on any system that doesn't use filename extensions to specify file content (i.e. not Windows) :) |
| [18:58:51] | rimbob: | ncix.com :p |
| [18:58:54] | sphery: | though, it wouldn't make it MPEG-4 |
| [18:59:19] | clever: | sphery: some linux programs still care about the extension, eog(gnome image viewer) refuses to show jpg's that are labled .png and similar |
| [18:59:28] | justinh: | lame |
| [18:59:31] | clever: | yeah |
| [18:59:43] | clever: | easy to fix though, just run file on it and rename |
| [18:59:49] | wagnerrp: | kacheng: sphery: not quite, most video players (regardless of OS) will recognize the container regardless of extension |
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| [18:59:56] | sphery: | kacheng: remember that there's an MPEG-4 container format and an MPEG-4 encoding for video (which must be placed into a container of some type) |
| [19:00:18] | justinh: | the perils of lamegrabbers eh |
| [19:00:34] | wagnerrp: | i need food... |
| [19:01:30] | kacheng: | okay, so i setup the transcoder in mythtv to transcode to mpeg4,then i go to the show's recording profile and make it autotranscode for each recording of the show. |
| [19:01:52] | kacheng: | if i look in the show directory, i will still see a crapload of .nuv files |
| [19:02:24] | kacheng: | and i won't be able to tell if they are mp4 or mpeg2 (except by filesize) |
| [19:02:30] | clever: | mythtv can only create mpg files from a hardware encoder or lossless transcoding of mpg |
| [19:02:34] | clever: | everything else mythtv makes is .nuv |
| [19:03:04] | rimbob: | nipplevideo |
| [19:03:05] | justinh: | oh crap on a stick somebody is working on FM radio support for mythmusic |
| [19:03:09] | rimbob: | nupple* |
| [19:03:11] | kacheng: | but if i 'happen' to pick a .nuv that was previously transcoded from mpeg2 to mp4, I can put that on my trusty old blackberry and watch the show? |
| [19:03:30] | justinh: | kacheng: I don't know. why don't you try it? |
| [19:03:33] | rimbob: | use nuvexport or something |
| [19:03:41] | sphery: | kacheng: MPEG-4 Part 14 is a container format. MPEG-4 Part 2 is a video compression CODEC. Myth's transcoder transcodes to MPEG-4 Part 2 inside a NuppelVideo (NUV) container. If you need a different container (such as the MPEG-4 Part 14 container that most media players can handle), don't use the internal transcoder and search the wiki for transcoding examples. |
| [19:03:49] | clever: | kacheng: i was using a script before that made avi files out of the shows and they play fine on my cellphone(treo 650 and 700p) |
| [19:04:05] | clever: | mythencode.pl |
| [19:04:13] | clever: | i had to mod it a bit to actualy work |
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| [19:04:26] | kacheng: | tell me more.. |
| [19:04:28] | justinh: | file squirrels. pfft |
| [19:04:34] | rimbob: | kacheng: see wiki |
| [19:04:43] | wagnerrp: | you can just set it up to run as a custom user job, rather than a transcode |
| [19:05:00] | rimbob: | there's one on there about getting it working on a cell phone |
| [19:05:04] | sphery: | and the wiki shows how... |
| [19:05:04] | rimbob: | user job #1 |
| [19:05:12] | justinh: | RTFW ;) |
| [19:06:19] | clever: | rimbob: also the video player on my phone takes realy weird codecs, so i just got a diff player, tcpmp |
| [19:06:44] | kacheng: | honestly, i've been all over the wiki and I have to say it's pretty crap – everything is explained conceptually, but the examples don't work |
| [19:07:21] | sphery: | but on the bright side, you can figure out what's wrong and then fix the wiki. :) |
| [19:07:31] | justinh: | it's only as good as the user's submissions, so thanks for the slap in the nuts |
| [19:07:33] | kacheng: | true dat |
| [19:07:45] | sphery: | If you have the concepts, you figure out what to do when the map (the example) isn't quite up to date :) |
| [19:07:48] | kacheng: | that's why i'm here to try to figure it all out |
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| [19:08:02] | rimbob: | also, google. |
| [19:08:15] | justinh: | if you can't get the jist from the wiki, you're screwed |
| [19:08:32] | kacheng: | isn't that that mythtv-users is for then? |
| [19:08:40] | rimbob: | no |
| [19:08:46] | sphery: | and the whole, just buy a bigger hard drive and keep 2 copies--one for Myth and one (tiny one) for your blackberry |
| [19:08:50] | sphery: | becomes worthwhile, again |
| [19:09:29] | sphery: | then you get high quality in Myth and berry-quality on your PDA |
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| [19:10:37] | sphery: | (put another way, if it's not worth my time to figure out how to transcode it for myself, it's probably not worth my time to figure out how to transcode it for you) |
| [19:10:40] | sphery: | :) |
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| [19:12:46] | justinh: | I tried transcoding. it took ages to do, wasn't that much smaller than the original file & it looked awful |
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| [19:13:08] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:13:13] | kacheng: | fair enough. I was hoping there might be someone somewhere who knows how to get the transcode to work. i been through google, myth wiki, forums, etc. for the last 3 yrs watching the transcode features evolve. |
| [19:13:21] | kacheng: | was hoping that it finally worked |
| [19:13:23] | kacheng: | oh well |
| [19:13:24] | sphery: | and to make it smaller takes even longer than ages (i.e. multipass encoding) |
| [19:13:27] | justinh: | it does work |
| [19:13:28] | clever: | but if you then cut the res down in half so it doesnt need any downscaling on the phone |
| [19:13:32] | clever: | it wont look as bad:P |
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| [19:14:07] | sphery: | /on the phone/ (but will look bad on TV |
| [19:14:21] | clever: | which is why you keep 2 copys on the mythtv system |
| [19:14:45] | clever: | i saw some talk somewhere about mythtv being changes to actualy track multiple versions of the same recording |
| [19:14:56] | justinh: | ffmpeg -i $somefile -acodec mp3 -b $bitrate -vcodec $whatever $parameters $outputfile. tada! |
| [19:15:06] | clever: | so mythbackend could stream diff codecs and transcode/fetch on the fly |
| [19:15:21] | kacheng: | that would be sweet |
| [19:15:24] | justinh: | clever: you know the concept of vaporware? |
| [19:15:34] | clever: | justinh: havent heard of it |
| [19:15:44] | justinh: | pie in the sky ;) |
| [19:15:54] | kormoc: | everything remotely talked about on the itnerwebs has to be true |
| [19:16:00] | sphery: | clever: Chris Pinkham has much of it done (thus the recordedfile table in the DB)--but none checked in |
| [19:16:12] | clever: | ahh |
| [19:16:22] | wagnerrp: | i heard about the bittorrent functionality that mythtv is going to be getting too |
| [19:16:33] | sphery: | he's also been very busy with non-Myth stuff, for quite some time, so... |
| [19:16:35] | clever: | wagnerrp: dont think your going to get it:P |
| [19:16:40] | iamlindoro_: | !trout wagnerrp god-damn-you-now-people-will-talk-about-it |
| [19:16:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a god-damn-you-now-people-will-talk-about-it trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [19:16:41] | justinh: | yeah full seeding of recordings! |
| [19:17:09] | justinh: | only problem is, it'll only work with mythtv 0.11 |
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| [19:17:23] | sphery: | and only for the Amiga OS |
| [19:17:27] | iamlindoro_: | On Tuesdays |
| [19:17:31] | clever: | the big problem i can see is that everybody would be seeding different versions of the same show |
| [19:17:32] | justinh: | on Tuesdays |
| [19:17:34] | justinh: | :-O |
| [19:17:40] | kormoc: | in russia |
| [19:17:40] | clever: | because of the minor changes from compression |
| [19:17:41] | iamlindoro_: | \o/ |
| [19:17:52] | andreax: | Amiga OS? 4.0? 3.9? 3.1? :) |
| [19:17:52] | ** justinh wonders if he's been cloned ** | |
| [19:18:00] | sphery: | clever: we could compensate, and then have a P2P-based commercial flagging system |
| [19:18:02] | wagnerrp: | clever: pretty much |
| [19:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | I'm the american version, which means I use an inferior codec, and I'm DRM'ed |
| [19:18:23] | justinh: | sphery: that's already planned for 0.23. I know, I read it on the users list |
| [19:18:24] | kormoc: | would only take a hour or two, tops |
| [19:18:25] | clever: | it would work better with pure digital recordings if you could both record identical files |
| [19:18:34] | justinh: | p2p EPG data too |
| [19:18:34] | wagnerrp: | even with digital, youre still not going to start the recording at the exact instant |
| [19:18:37] | clever: | and somehow cut them down to the identical data on all systems |
| [19:18:44] | clever: | then you would start with many seeds |
| [19:18:54] | clever: | without having to pass masive peices of data between them |
| [19:19:00] | sphery: | clever: identical would mean identical start time (from the bit, not just the second) |
| [19:19:05] | kormoc: | the sad part is, clever believes it all |
| [19:19:25] | clever: | sphery: yeah which means lossless transcoding to trim the extra start/end and knowing where the others are triming ti |
| [19:19:47] | sphery: | and perfect reception |
| [19:19:48] | clever: | wouldnt be simple |
| [19:19:52] | clever: | that too |
| [19:20:01] | kormoc: | and exactly the same sources... |
| [19:20:10] | justinh: | add to that bitrate differences between local areas |
| [19:20:16] | sphery: | (I haven't had that since the guy who installed my skylights ignored me and stuck a metal tube through the arms of my antenna in my attic) |
| [19:20:22] | clever: | and hope your cable co doesnt transcode it to lower bitrates |
| [19:20:33] | sphery: | and commercials |
| [19:20:38] | sphery: | and bugs |
| [19:20:45] | kormoc: | weather alerts... |
| [19:20:48] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:20:50] | kormoc: | bats... |
| [19:20:54] | sphery: | (couldn't figure out what to call those) |
| [19:21:00] | justinh: | cats & rats |
| [19:21:19] | justinh: | internet capping :D |
| [19:21:33] | kormoc: | the changing of the universal constant due to mad scientists |
| [19:21:36] | justinh: | where were we again? |
| [19:21:38] | clever: | lol |
| [19:21:45] | sphery: | and "we interrupt this program to tell you just enough of a news story that we figure you'll have to stay up and watch our cr***y news broadcast" |
| [19:21:49] | gbee: | why do they only sell replacement mouse feet in sets of five? It's taken me two years to wear down the feet on this mouse and the replacements are supposed to last longer, so thats a 15 years+ supply! |
| [19:22:01] | iamlindoro_: | I think heuristic commflagging would be way neater, anyway |
| [19:22:10] | sphery: | my mouse feed don't wear off, they unglue |
| [19:22:10] | Dagmar: | Why the fuck are you replacing feet on a mouse |
| [19:22:15] | justinh: | mice have feet? |
| [19:22:16] | sphery: | s/feed/feet/ |
| [19:22:28] | Dagmar: | My mouse feet go in the trash when the new mouse comes in |
| [19:22:30] | wagnerrp: | mice deserve metal legs too |
| [19:22:46] | gbee: | justinh: how else do they run? |
| [19:22:50] | clever: | gbee: i dont even replace them, the plastic on my mouse is worn down to the point where its polished flat |
| [19:22:54] | justinh: | hmm |
| [19:23:06] | clever: | i can allmost get a reflection off the thing |
| [19:23:16] | justinh: | doggy caught a squirrel this morning. mad b |
| [19:23:22] | sphery: | just realized the mouse feet on this computer's mouse have some serious toe-jam |
| [19:23:33] | gbee: | Dagmar: not spending £35 on a new mouse just because the feet have worn away, in all other respects the mouse is fine |
| [19:23:44] | justinh: | £35 on a moose? |
| [19:23:53] | gbee: | justinh: wireless laser |
| [19:23:54] | wagnerrp: | thats a cheap moose |
| [19:24:04] | justinh: | jeebies |
| [19:24:06] | clever: | gbee: is it realy a laser or just a shiny red LED :P |
| [19:24:13] | gbee: | real laser |
| [19:24:16] | justinh: | though for wireless I bet you need to spend that much |
| [19:24:26] | andreax: | its unvisible... (got this one too)... :) |
| [19:24:36] | justinh: | my dad's always got a different one when I visit, and they're always shoite |
| [19:24:41] | Dagmar: | gbee: OKay, see another thing is that I dont' spent $35 on mice. I spend about twice that, and they don't die. |
| [19:24:45] | kormoc: | I last paid $150 for a keyboard and mouse set |
| [19:24:46] | wagnerrp: | clever: the laser gives a much more consistent source, for better accuracy |
| [19:24:49] | Dagmar: | The $12 mice wear out and die |
| [19:24:52] | gbee: | laser vs optical (red/blue led) |
| [19:25:04] | Dagmar: | Logitech G5 mouse == MMO pwnage |
| [19:25:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive seen a laser based mouse before which needed a grid on the mouse pad |
| [19:25:20] | clever: | wagnerrp: the pad was just a large metal plate with a grid silk screened into it |
| [19:25:26] | gbee: | Dagmar: £35 is $70 |
| [19:25:28] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [19:25:43] | kormoc: | clever, a laser mouse is an optical mouse, just not in the visible wave length... |
| [19:25:45] | andreax: | clever: I got this one at my Amiga... Here it was just a pad with mini dots on it... |
| [19:25:47] | sphery: | I used to never spend more than $2 on a mouse. Then I bought a real mouse, and I'll never go back to cheap mice. |
| [19:25:55] | justinh: | they use IR? |
| [19:25:59] | gbee: | and it hasn't died, the stick on feet have just worn away on my real wood desk |
| [19:26:00] | kormoc: | aye |
| [19:26:01] | justinh: | is that even safe? |
| [19:26:02] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Mine are all pretty visible |
| [19:26:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the lasers are indeed visible wavelength |
| [19:26:11] | clever: | all the optical mice i have are just a normal red LED |
| [19:26:14] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [19:26:16] | kormoc: | mine isn't |
| [19:26:33] | justinh: | high levels of light you can't see are bad newsicles |
| [19:26:35] | sphery: | I don't see the light on mine, either |
| [19:26:37] | wagnerrp: | its a red diode laser, you just have to line your eye up exactly to be able to see it |
| [19:26:39] | Dagmar: | gbee: Weird. I've got a pretty lowbrow Sauder particle-board corner desk, and I've not had mouse feet wearing down |
| [19:26:41] | gbee: | kormoc: yeah, but in marketing terms one is described as optical, one as laser even if the underlying tech is the same |
| [19:26:42] | clever: | ive also seen info online on how to hack the camera in the optical mouse to actualy store the images from it |
| [19:26:48] | Dagmar: | THen again, I keep my desk so clean I'm scrubbing the surface off it |
| [19:26:56] | Dagmar: | That reminds me I need to order some vinyl |
| [19:27:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it light up via digital cam, but it's entirely not there otherwise |
| [19:27:23] | justinh: | sounds like IR fer sure |
| [19:27:34] | gbee: | Dagmar: reckon it's down to the wood grain, or maybe I just have a heavy mouse hand ;) |
| [19:27:50] | wagnerrp: | ok, i can see the laser in my mouse |
| [19:27:52] | justinh: | I'm getting too used to my laptop keyboard now |
| [19:27:56] | sphery: | gbee: like Hellboy? |
| [19:27:58] | Dagmar: | clever: You are reading shit written by people taking too much acid |
| [19:28:03] | kormoc: | mine's a mx 900 or the like |
| [19:28:10] | Dagmar: | clever: That one's up there with "Scantron hacking" articles |
| [19:28:18] | gbee: | ;) |
| [19:28:21] | clever: | i'll find the link:P |
| [19:28:22] | sphery: | scancat! |
| [19:28:23] | justinh: | Dagmar: I've seen those articles |
| [19:28:27] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the 900 is a bluetooth LED mouse |
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| [19:28:51] | Dagmar: | clever: I can still find documents puporting to tell people how to cheat scantron exams with chapstick |
| [19:28:56] | wagnerrp: | the 1000 is a laser mouse, and the laser IS visible |
| [19:29:05] | Dagmar: | That doesn't mean the entier thing isn't a work of bloody fiction |
| [19:29:18] | gbee: | I very much doubt you'd see the laser on an MX series, at least the wireless ones since it switches off if lifted from the desk to save power |
| [19:29:29] | Dagmar: | You know how you can tell the difference between an optical mouse and a laser mouse, guys? |
| [19:29:32] | iamlindoro_: | I have firm proof that two girls can do awful, awful things with a mere party cup |
| [19:29:36] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks, Internet! |
| [19:29:38] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:29:44] | Dagmar: | The laser mouse will work on your transparent, glass-top kitchen table |
| [19:29:56] | wagnerrp: | gbee: well ive got one sitting on my desk, and i see it |
| [19:30:08] | wagnerrp: | if the laser is not shining, how is it to tell when you put the mouse back down? |
| [19:30:11] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, hrm. it's certainly not, but the model number has worn off the bottom of the mouse... |
| [19:30:32] | gbee: | switches to a intermittent pulse |
| [19:30:35] | sphery: | Dagmar: but it may require a firmware upgrade (Logitech G5 and/or G7 did, IIRC) |
| [19:31:09] | gbee: | i.e. doesn't switch off entirely, just reduces the pulse rate |
| [19:31:46] | gbee: | it does the same after a period of inactivity too |
| [19:31:53] | wagnerrp: | gbee: after 10 seconds, it dims and starts pulsing at ~40Hz |
| [19:32:15] | gbee: | you see this with the naked eye? |
| [19:32:16] | iamlindoro_: | Your mom pulses at 40Hz |
| [19:32:29] | Dagmar: | sphery: |
| [19:32:32] | ** iamlindoro_ is feeling childish today ** | |
| [19:32:35] | Dagmar: | sphery: A firmware upgrade for what? |
| [19:32:53] | sphery: | for the mouse |
| [19:32:57] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: 40hz? AC or DC? :P |
| [19:33:04] | Dagmar: | To do what? |
| [19:33:05] | iamlindoro_: | Oh she's all AC, baby |
| [19:33:07] | gbee: | actually, what has this got to do with replacing the feet on my mouse? |
| [19:33:08] | Dagmar: | My mouse works fine. |
| [19:33:15] | ** gbee goes back to shopping for replacements ** | |
| [19:33:28] | justinh: | www.fuzzyfelt.com |
| [19:33:38] | ** iamlindoro_ wants to go home and put things in the 19 drive bays of his new crouching tiget hidden backend ** | |
| [19:33:42] | iamlindoro_: | er tiger |
| [19:33:52] | wagnerrp: | huh... the furthest red youre supposed to see is 750nm, the bottom of the mouse lists the laser as 832–852nm |
| [19:33:54] | sphery: | Dagmar: http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2 . . . re-for-mouse |
| [19:33:58] | wagnerrp: | so it is definately an infrared laser |
| [19:34:02] | justinh: | hidden tibet? |
| [19:34:04] | wagnerrp: | so what the fuck am i seeing |
| [19:34:11] | iamlindoro_: | acid flashbacks |
| [19:34:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp: you're just a freak |
| [19:34:32] | sphery: | Dagmar: only the early models, they corrected it quickly |
| [19:35:00] | Dagmar: | sphery: Probably more of the "mouse doesn't like zebra-striped mousepads" fun |
| [19:35:31] | PatrickDK: | damn zebra racists |
| [19:36:37] | sphery: | racists or specists? |
| [19:36:59] | PatrickDK: | I dunno, ask the mouse |
| [19:37:01] | sphery: | gbee: I (who have many feetless mice) am wondering where you found mouse feet |
| [19:37:17] | justinh: | ffs keyboard & mouse combos really do go up to £175 |
| [19:37:59] | justinh: | http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/ . . . oductid=2264 |
| [19:39:12] | sphery: | justinh: thx |
| [19:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I bet you 90% of their business is FPS freaks |
| [19:39:48] | justinh: | jees there's a whole mouse foot industry! |
| [19:39:53] | iamlindoro_: | "Oh, lower drag mouse feet, eh? That would enable me to get .000184 more frags per fortnight!" |
| [19:40:31] | Dagmar: | justinh: They go higher than that |
| [19:40:33] | sphery: | wonder if their glue is better than Logitech's |
| [19:40:47] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Well, the other thing is that crazy-teflon-technology feet _don't wear off_ |
| [19:40:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: the DiNovo combos are well over $100, and i doubt any 'FPS freak' would be using such a thin, unresponsive keyboard |
| [19:41:02] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Depends |
| [19:41:07] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Was speaking re: justinh's link |
| [19:41:42] | Dagmar: | Half-height keys give you an edge in FPS games |
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| [19:42:38] | justinh: | so does drinking acres of buzz cola & sitting up for 96 hours on end |
| [19:43:22] | sphery: | no feet for the LX-7. :( |
| [19:43:41] | Dagmar: | Imma fuckin kill someone today |
| [19:44:07] | kormoc: | will it be the most annoying person in here? |
| [19:44:13] | justinh: | do it, and blame GTA |
| [19:44:21] | Dagmar: | justinh: I have a picture for you |
| [19:45:16] | justinh: | if it's of you, naked – send it to my facebook. other people have |
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| [19:47:09] | Dagmar: | justinh: Nope. http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . uctivity.jpg |
| [19:47:21] | Dagmar: | ....since we're on the subject of performance-enhancing colas. |
| [19:48:10] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [19:50:39] | Dagmar: | I woulnd't blame GTA. |
| [19:50:52] | Dagmar: | I would say "I wanted to see if it was as easy as they make it look on the evening news"" |
| [19:53:47] | gbee: | sphery: a lot of places are selling Everglide stuff – http://www.everglide.com/index.php?option=com . . . mp;Itemid=30 |
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| [19:55:05] | Dagmar: | Amusing that site has "gaming headphones" |
| [19:55:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I'm the proud owner of an old model (i.e. before they were brought back from the dead) Razer Boomslang – actually won it as part of a team that beat a UK PC mag at counterstrike |
| [19:55:37] | gbee: | even still have the presentation tin |
| [19:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: You are literally speaking another language to me. :) |
| [19:55:46] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I like portal, does that count? :) |
| [19:55:46] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [19:56:17] | Dagmar: | Probably the best way to purchase headphones is going to be to go to a record shop and buy what DJs use |
| [19:56:23] | iamlindoro_: | USE Keyboard ON gbee |
| [19:56:29] | iamlindoro_: | PULL gbee |
| [19:56:33] | iamlindoro_: | OPEN gbee |
| [19:56:41] | wagnerrp: | i never much understood the purpose of surround headphones |
| [19:56:42] | iamlindoro_: | EXIT TO outdoors |
| [19:56:42] | Dagmar: | If a set of headphones can be used in a nightclub, there's a pretty fucking good chance they won't be overwhelmed by a LAN party. |
| [19:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | Not *that's* my kinda game! |
| [19:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | er Now |
| [19:56:59] | kormoc: | I don't trust most DJs, as they tend to only use one side and only in loud rooms... |
| [19:57:18] | kormoc: | I hate leakage, so that's important to me |
| [19:57:39] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That's kind of a high-noise environment |
| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | leakage, as in other people being able to hear what youre listening to? |
| [19:57:52] | Dagmar: | You need one ear open to hear what you're mixing to |
| [19:57:52] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [19:58:07] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with that? |
| [19:58:12] | Dagmar: | You don't need sound leaking *into* the ear you have covered |
| [19:58:21] | kormoc: | drives my office-mates insane |
| [19:58:37] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: heh, Razer Boomslang was a high precision ball mouse costing an insane amount of money designed for gamers, http://www.dansdata.com/boomslang.htm |
| [19:58:37] | kormoc: | I like loud music, and it drowns out their conversations |
| [19:59:13] | wagnerrp: | ive got a pair of open ear headphones |
| [19:59:15] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Oh. Neato. :) |
| [19:59:28] | wagnerrp: | and i have to turn them up very loud to have any real leakage |
| [19:59:44] | Dagmar: | I use earbuds for listening to stuff like mp3s |
| [19:59:56] | Dagmar: | Someone needs to make a decent bluetooth stereo headset |
| [20:00:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, people tend to have to physically touch me to notice them when I'm in the groove |
| [20:00:20] | Dagmar: | For DJ work I break out the giant sony pillow-phones |
| [20:00:24] | kormoc: | typically people in the next office over also complain... |
| [20:00:28] | gbee: | for a brief period I was a FPS gamer with mad skillz, but that was back around 2000, haven't played games in years and certainly not CounterStrike etc |
| [20:00:46] | wagnerrp: | in order for my headphones to get that loud, it has to be painful for me |
| [20:01:43] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I grew up on adventure games and still miss good ones, but I will admit to playing some of the "biggies" these days like Halo, Halflife, etc. |
| [20:01:53] | wagnerrp: | beyond the fact that ive long since started peaking certain frequencies on the transducers |
| [20:02:36] | kormoc: | I have a pair of Sonly MDR-V6 headphones I bought back in like 1995 |
| [20:02:36] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Same here |
| [20:02:47] | GreyFoxx: | I use to live in Quake 1/2/3 and unreal tournament |
| [20:02:55] | gbee: | at the time one of my friends signed us up as a team to play against the undefeated lads from PCZone Magazine, with a prize of a Boomslang and other gear like t-shirts should we win – which we did ;) |
| [20:02:56] | GreyFoxx: | I wont speakl back to the Wolfenstein/doom days heh |
| [20:03:32] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: ahh those _were_ the days ;) |
| [20:03:52] | GreyFoxx: | I still have doom, wolfenstein and spear of destiny here |
| [20:04:03] | GreyFoxx: | along with quake 1/2 and unreal tournament |
| [20:04:31] | Shadow__X: | have you played the new ut? |
| [20:04:46] | GreyFoxx: | nope, anything newer than 2000/2001 I haven't played |
| [20:04:51] | Shadow__X: | ah |
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| [20:04:59] | Shadow__X: | hmm you might like ut 2004 and 2007 |
| [20:05:04] | Shadow__X: | 2007 looks great |
| [20:05:11] | gbee: | I might have UT, Q2, HL and a couple of others somewhere, but I've not really played any games since switching to linux – aside from a disappointing look at Doom 3 |
| [20:05:22] | wagnerrp: | huh... i was going to see how my old AIWAs fared against my sennheisers, but i cant seem to find them |
| [20:05:22] | Shadow__X: | although me and a bunch of my friends beat it in afew hours |
| [20:05:59] | iamlindoro_: | HL 2 plays pretty well in WINE (and by extension, the HL2 based stuff) |
| [20:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | A few of us "oldtimers" want to have a little tournament in the office, it's just a matter of picking the games and hoping someone still has it |
| [20:06:11] | GreyFoxx: | and of course that it will actually play on our machines/OS's :) |
| [20:06:17] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [20:06:22] | Shadow__X: | oldtimers |
| [20:06:57] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, duke nuken 3d! |
| [20:07:00] | gbee: | around 2001 I tried a demo of a new game called Operation Flashpoint, it spoilt me completely and I couldn't play a standard FPS again after that, I very nearly installed Windows just to play the sequel when it was release 18 months ago |
| [20:07:21] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [20:07:24] | GreyFoxx: | I still have my old Might and Magic disks from my Tandy 1000sl (4mhz machine?) from back in '87 |
| [20:07:24] | Shadow__X: | was it bad? |
| [20:07:31] | clever: | Dagmar: finaly found it, http://spritesmods.com/?art=mouseeye |
| [20:07:33] | Shadow__X: | ah i had a tandy |
| [20:07:34] | GreyFoxx: | korm: heh yeah |
| [20:07:41] | Shadow__X: | i played monopoly though |
| [20:07:43] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [20:08:01] | gbee: | hell, I played the original Duke Nukem |
| [20:08:04] | GreyFoxx: | shado: at first it was monochrome text only monitor, and 384 megs of ram and a 1200 baud modem |
| [20:08:17] | gbee: | not the 3D stuff, 2D all the way |
| [20:08:20] | GreyFoxx: | the CGA monitor was sweeet :) |
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| [20:08:38] | gbee: | RoTT |
| [20:08:40] | GreyFoxx: | had dos 3.1 or so built into an internal eeprom |
| [20:08:59] | Shadow__X: | hmm i had a color one GreyFoxx |
| [20:09:13] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: people must have been amazed at that much ram back them |
| [20:09:16] | wagnerrp: | *then |
| [20:09:17] | Shadow__X: | when i had the tandy i think i was about 5 or 6 |
| [20:09:22] | Shadow__X: | and it was way old then |
| [20:09:25] | GreyFoxx: | wag: heh at the time it was sweet :) |
| [20:09:31] | wagnerrp: | 384MB... |
| [20:09:33] | ** GreyFoxx runs to pick up his kid from daycare ** | |
| [20:09:36] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh doh |
| [20:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | 384kb ;) |
| [20:09:46] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [20:09:47] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:10:04] | GreyFoxx: | ;) I remember upgrading it to 640k and a 2400 modem.. now that was speed! |
| [20:10:17] | GreyFoxx: | and my first hardware updates that I did myself :) |
| [20:10:20] | ** GreyFoxx heads out ** | |
| [20:10:28] | wagnerrp: | i started out at 512, and somewhere around that speed of modem |
| [20:11:13] | kormoc: | my VIC-20 only had 20k of memory :P |
| [20:11:41] | wagnerrp: | i remember getting a turbo card |
| [20:11:52] | wagnerrp: | it was amazing, until i found out that all my games were now screwed up |
| [20:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and i had to reboot to drop the speed |
| [20:12:05] | clever: | i got an 2nd video board for i think the vic20:P |
| [20:12:19] | Dagmar: | No, you didn't. |
| [20:12:25] | Dagmar: | Go take your pills. |
| [20:12:31] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [20:12:33] | clever: | yes in that day all the games where timed to a busy loop which was set for the cpu freq |
| [20:12:43] | clever: | Dagmar: it went into the expansion port |
| [20:13:05] | clever: | had extra ram and some graphic routines in it |
| [20:13:06] | Dagmar: | clever: I had one VIC-20 and three C=64's which basically died from hardware overmodification |
| [20:13:26] | clever: | so far my only c64 death was the psu brick dying |
| [20:14:05] | clever: | that thing is filled with epoxy so its imposible to repair |
| [20:15:15] | Dagmar: | Well, there's only so many times they'll tolerate having A/D chips soldered in and SID chips added/replaced |
| [20:15:26] | clever: | lol |
| [20:15:31] | clever: | i never did anything that major |
| [20:15:46] | Dagmar: | That Super Expander cart was a farce |
| [20:16:41] | clever: | Dagmar: did you read that link i gave you 5mins ago? |
| [20:16:59] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming that's what you're talking about, although it wasn't a video card like you're thinking |
| [20:17:08] | clever: | http://spritesmods.com/?art=mouseeye |
| [20:17:29] | wagnerrp: | clever: that was 10 minutes ago |
| [20:17:38] | clever: | i dont remember what the video board was called exactly but i remember it adding several keywords to the basic language |
| [20:17:38] | Dagmar: | Yeah, you'll pardon me if I completley ignore an 18x18 "image" |
| [20:17:52] | clever: | and i had some problems at first |
| [20:17:55] | Dagmar: | That doesn't make it a camera by anyone's definition |
| [20:18:03] | Dagmar: | clever: That was the Super Extender |
| [20:18:11] | clever: | when you enter the basic code, the keyboards get converted to numbers to compress the code |
| [20:18:18] | wagnerrp: | at best, it makes it a shitty, overly complex scanner |
| [20:18:19] | Dagmar: | You could do everything it did, if you knew assembly |
| [20:18:25] | clever: | i entered the code without the board so those special keywords where just text |
| [20:18:37] | ** justinh started on 1k. no real keyboard, no graphics. no colour! ** | |
| [20:18:43] | clever: | and i have a whole book on c64 assembly:P |
| [20:18:55] | clever: | lists every instruction and how many clock cycles it takes |
| [20:18:58] | clever: | and every addressing mode |
| [20:19:10] | Dagmar: | Yeah, mines around here somewhere. |
| [20:19:19] | Dagmar: | "Foxed" doesn't begin to cover it's condition. |
| [20:19:37] | clever: | it had enough info to hand assemble any code into hex |
| [20:19:38] | Dagmar: | The spine is held together by duct tape, and it looks like it might have been fully figested by a bear at some point |
| [20:19:45] | clever: | which could then just be poke'd into ram and used |
| [20:19:53] | clever: | lol |
| [20:19:59] | Dagmar: | clever: Reasonable people used an assembler. |
| [20:20:01] | justinh: | kormoc: I like my sennheiser hd-215s. I never trust a DJ booth to have decent monitoring, hence the need for 2-sided wearing |
| [20:20:06] | clever: | mine is in a giant ring binder |
| [20:20:28] | clever: | but its got so many pages the ones on the front/back get bent to crap when you open/close it |
| [20:20:36] | justinh: | they're build like brick outhouses. there are probably better phones out there but these are robust |
| [20:20:38] | clever: | and i didnt have a proper assembler on hand at the time |
| [20:20:53] | clever: | though i still have the massive piles of floppys for the c64 |
| [20:20:55] | justinh: | you can't beat hand-assembling Z80 |
| [20:21:01] | Dagmar: | Yes you can. |
| [20:21:14] | Dagmar: | Anything with a mnemonic table will beat it silly |
| [20:21:18] | justinh: | yeah you can. with an altair before keyboards were invented |
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| [20:22:02] | justinh: | this is like that Monty Python sketch, but with computing :P |
| [20:22:28] | Dagmar: | Entering hex to write assembly is a "clever" thing |
| [20:22:41] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo |
| [20:22:44] | clever: | little more compact then decimal:P |
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| [20:23:16] | Dagmar: | clever: Real men used editors that let you type "NOP" and "LDA FE" |
| [20:23:17] | justinh: | MicroProfessor rocks! |
| [20:23:34] | Dagmar: | Trying to remember the opcode numbers would just drive you mad |
| [20:23:37] | justinh: | no wonder I found 68000 scary |
| [20:23:43] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah |
| [20:23:52] | Dagmar: | Just the same, I still rememeber 234 is NOP |
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| [20:24:02] | wagnerrp: | i cant say i ever had any hardware with a zilog |
| [20:24:05] | clever: | ive done some assembly using the proper stuff with 'debug.exe' on dos/windows |
| [20:24:09] | Dagmar: | ...and that rasters were 83 clockcycles wide |
| [20:24:16] | wagnerrp: | my calculator has a 68000 though |
| [20:24:20] | Dagmar: | I wrote a LOT of raster-driven time-sharing stuff |
| [20:24:24] | kormoc: | ti-89! |
| [20:24:27] | clever: | Dagmar: ive seen a test thing for the c64, hardwire the data bus for the NOP opcode |
| [20:24:42] | clever: | then it will just step thru every posible addr over and over |
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| [20:24:55] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:25:05] | clever: | then you can connect a scope to the addr lines and run some tests |
| [20:25:10] | Dagmar: | So what happens to the zero page jump table |
| [20:25:21] | clever: | its also nothing but nop's |
| [20:25:37] | clever: | causing it to jump into a random address(it ever had a reason to) where it will find more NOP's |
| [20:25:56] | kormoc: | if it's all no ops, what's telling it to jump (and to a random address?) |
| [20:26:01] | Dagmar: | So, now is 234, 234 random? |
| [20:26:06] | clever: | just disconnect everything else on the data bus |
| [20:26:13] | clever: | kormoc: interupts maybe |
| [20:26:22] | kormoc: | that makes no sense at all |
| [20:26:22] | clever: | thats about all i can think of that would cause it to do something else |
| [20:26:23] | sphery: | gbee: thx. justinh linked me to some of theirs, but they don't make them for my mouse, so I tried searching for mouse feet on google. Who knew it would give so many results? :) |
| [20:26:34] | gbee: | :) |
| [20:26:39] | Dagmar: | Cuz what you're describing is going to jump to 0xEAEA |
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| [20:26:44] | clever: | Dagmar: and by random i mean just to some fixed adr thats out of line with the constant 1 step forward motion |
| [20:27:04] | dupondje: | hellow :) i'm back, still need to find a way to get rid of the freeze @ end of programm |
| [20:27:04] | dupondje: | :( |
| [20:27:12] | ** kormoc jumps to 0xDEADBEEF ** | |
| [20:27:16] | ** justinh wonders where #mythtv-users went ** | |
| [20:27:31] | kormoc: | dupondje, what freeze at the end of programs? |
| [20:27:34] | Dagmar: | dupondje: Which player are you using? |
| [20:29:23] | ** sphery guesses dupondje is running up against the LiveTV freezes at some program changes issue ** | |
| [20:29:38] | sphery: | If so, the answer is, "Don't use LiveTV." |
| [20:30:42] | Dagmar: | ...or he's talking about a 3–5s freeze. |
| [20:30:50] | gbee: | I'm starting to think that we're all too jaded |
| [20:30:53] | Dagmar: | ...in which case the answer would be "don't use ext2" |
| [20:31:04] | Dagmar: | ...but until he says something, I'm not wasting any more effort. |
| [20:31:11] | kormoc: | gbee, you don't say? |
| [20:31:48] | gbee: | it's only just occurred to me .. :p |
| [20:32:35] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:32:36] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [20:33:26] | Dagmar: | gbee: If we were too jaded we woulnd't be discussing a problem from yet another user who asks a question and doesn't wait around for an answer to supply any more information about it |
| [20:34:17] | Dagmar: | As our responses are not yet "it puts the lotion in the basket" I think we're fine |
| [20:35:03] | gbee: | maybe, instead of telling people not to use livetv because they are missing the point of a PVR, it would make the point better to drop livetv altogether |
| [20:35:18] | Dagmar: | Just set the default menu theme to not include it |
| [20:35:20] | Dagmar: | Problem solved. |
| [20:36:14] | kormoc: | my 'simple' menu theme doesn't include it on the main level |
| [20:36:47] | kormoc: | Watch recordings, watch videos, watch dvd, music, weather, advanced, that's it on the main level |
| [20:37:48] | kormoc: | you know, I've yet to hear of a single person who's been hit with my mythweb lockdown code, that surprises me |
| [20:38:46] | dupondje: | why not use livetv ? :s |
| [20:39:00] | dupondje: | its fucking great :( only that 1 bug |
| [20:39:54] | kormoc: | dupondje, what bug? |
| [20:41:42] | gbee: | kormoc: my menu theme has livetv, but I'm thinking about replacing with with "View Photos", so it would be "Watch DVD", "Watch Recordings", "Play Music", "View Photos", "Manage Recordings" and "Settings" on the main menu |
| [20:42:32] | dupondje: | kormoc: freeze @ end of programm |
| [20:43:16] | kormoc: | dupondje, might want to follow the 'creating a backtrace' wiki page and help track it down then |
| [20:43:40] | kormoc: | gbee, given I use mythweb for managing recordings (shocking I know!), I don't really need it in my layout |
| [20:43:48] | dupondje: | link ? |
| [20:43:57] | kormoc: | dupondje, wiki.mythtv.org |
| [20:46:16] | Dagmar: | dupondje: You still haven't answered as to what player you're using |
| [20:46:27] | dupondje: | 'what player' ? |
| [20:46:30] | dupondje: | mythtv livetv ? |
| [20:46:55] | Dagmar: | No, there's an option in ther epeople like to screw with that makes Myth use MPlayer for actually playing the videos |
| [20:48:34] | dupondje: | livetv has also possibilities ? |
| [20:48:35] | dupondje: | :) |
| [20:48:55] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [20:49:15] | dupondje: | lol |
| [20:49:26] | kormoc: | Dagmar, what do you expect with someone with that hostmask? |
| [20:50:05] | dupondje: | lol :) that freeze @ end of program is kinda known bug :( |
| [20:50:24] | justinh: | it was a known bug but it was fixed AFAIK |
| [20:50:44] | dupondje: | what version ? |
| [20:51:15] | justinh: | was fixed before 0.21 |
| [20:51:27] | dupondje: | weird, cause i'm still having it :( |
| [20:52:19] | dupondje: | mythtv 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1 |
| [20:52:49] | justinh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5261 |
| [20:53:10] | dupondje: | thx :) |
| [20:53:16] | dupondje: | lets see if ubuntu has that also |
| [20:53:19] | dupondje: | else we fix it :) |
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| [20:54:04] | dupondje: | seems not fixxed ? |
| [20:54:05] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [20:54:57] | justinh: | seems nobody has attached a backtrace yet |
| [20:55:14] | justinh: | without that or if a dev can't reproduce it, it won't be fixed – nay cannot be fixed |
| [20:55:38] | dupondje: | tell me how i can make it |
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| [20:55:43] | dupondje: | and i'll do it directly |
| [20:55:48] | justinh: | the wiki tells you how |
| [20:55:53] | justinh: | as do the official mythtv docs# |
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| [21:01:36] | justinh: | heheh. Go Paxo! Robert Burns == Sentimental Doggerel |
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| [21:06:41] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [21:07:02] | gbee: | now got that on auto-replace, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [21:07:15] | gbee: | "backtrace\_howto" |
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| [21:13:46] | Shadow__X: | i want piclens for linux |
| [21:13:48] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [21:14:25] | justinh: | my dad used to say "I want, never gets" |
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| [21:14:56] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [21:15:16] | Shadow__X: | i wonder how the development of porting piclens to linux is going |
| [21:16:03] | Shadow__X: | better? |
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| [21:26:40] | jams: | kormoc- http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . enugraph.png |
| [21:27:07] | sphery: | Shadow__X: You mean cooliris (formerly PicLens) |
| [21:29:22] | Shadow__X: | ah excuse me yes i wasnt aware that it hcanged |
| [21:29:47] | sphery: | Yeah, not really important, but I thought I'd mention it. :) |
| [21:30:04] | Shadow__X: | yeah i mean i know the devs from cooliris where wroking on it |
| [21:30:13] | Shadow__X: | or i guess cool previews |
| [21:30:18] | Shadow__X: | that was awhile ago |
| [21:31:04] | sphery: | For me it wouldn't be useful. FF3 is barely useful without accelerated video card support (the whole CSS image fading thing kills my systems). |
| [21:31:20] | Shadow__X: | any reason why sometimes playing hd recordings |
| [21:31:30] | Shadow__X: | it lags using the internal player |
| [21:31:41] | Shadow__X: | but other times it doesnt |
| [21:31:44] | sphery: | Until the ATI FOSS drivers are there, I won't have accelerated video card support on my (non-Myth) systems. |
| [21:31:52] | justinh: | yes, your system is underpowered |
| [21:31:58] | Shadow__X: | lags as in lag from input using the remote |
| [21:32:05] | sphery: | you mean A/V sync lag or prebuffering pause? |
| [21:32:16] | Shadow__X: | no like it plays fine |
| [21:32:29] | sphery: | but takes a while for LIRC button presses to register? |
| [21:32:39] | Shadow__X: | but pressing pause anything from the remote it takes a bit |
| [21:32:42] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [21:32:48] | Shadow__X: | but when it finally does register |
| [21:32:50] | Shadow__X: | it works fine |
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| [21:33:23] | sphery: | I've seen that with LIRC install/compile-configuration issues. |
| [21:33:37] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [21:33:45] | Shadow__X: | its a mythbuntu install |
| [21:33:49] | Shadow__X: | didnt compile anything |
| [21:34:09] | sphery: | by compile-configuration, I'm also including configuration of the system (kernel, et. al) to support the LIRC libs. |
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| [21:34:52] | Shadow__X: | hmm but when it finally works it does work |
| [21:34:55] | Shadow__X: | it just takes a bit |
| [21:34:58] | sphery: | I'd recommend playing with it and watching with irw to see if the button press goes through LIRC immediately and slows in Myth or if it's just LIRC taking a while to get it. |
| [21:35:16] | sphery: | if the latter, it's definitely a LIRC issue. |
| [21:35:50] | sphery: | There was an issue on some system configurations for a while that would cause certain LIRC functionality to be delayed for 5 minutes... |
| [21:36:05] | sphery: | I.e. button press, 5 minutes later, it registers |
| [21:36:21] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [21:36:27] | Shadow__X: | i will check it out |
| [21:36:30] | sphery: | and that was a literal 5 minutes :) |
| [21:37:00] | sphery: | I'm guessing yours is different, though. Play with irw and see if you see patterns, etc. |
| [21:37:13] | Shadow__X: | i think it might just be system lag |
| [21:37:26] | Shadow__X: | its going to a sd tv or composite |
| [21:37:27] | justinh: | swapping? ;) |
| [21:37:42] | Shadow__X: | but its a 2.3ghz low powered amd dual core |
| [21:38:06] | Shadow__X: | how do i tell if its swapping |
| [21:38:06] | justinh: | with how much ram? running which theme at what resolution? |
| [21:38:18] | sphery: | sounds like perhaps a Cool 'n Quiet thing... |
| [21:38:30] | Dagmar: | Cool'n'Quiet doesn't do anything by default |
| [21:38:33] | sphery: | CPU frequency scaling (down), then taking a while to ramp up... |
| [21:38:41] | Dagmar: | THta's normal actually |
| [21:38:50] | Shadow__X: | retro at 800x600 2gb ram |
| [21:38:59] | Shadow__X: | integrated geforce 6150 |
| [21:39:00] | justinh: | not lack of ram then |
| [21:39:03] | Dagmar: | You're not swapping. |
| [21:39:04] | Shadow__X: | taking 256 |
| [21:39:04] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [21:39:09] | Shadow__X: | alright |
| [21:39:31] | Dagmar: | I'm not swapping at 1Gb' |
| [21:39:38] | justinh: | actually even my shitty epia wasn't laggy |
| [21:39:44] | Dagmar: | ...although I don't have anything unneeded running at all |
| [21:40:35] | sphery: | I'd still recommend disabling frequency scaling and see if it still does it... |
| [21:40:53] | Dagmar: | Ye |
| [21:40:54] | Dagmar: | p |
| [21:41:03] | Shadow__X: | hmm ok |
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| [21:41:22] | sphery: | I find that boinc is a great way to disable frequency scaling (the cat'ing to /sys/... works, too :) |
| [21:41:41] | justinh: | boinc – wasting the planet to save the planet |
| [21:41:50] | gbee: | I've never had an issue with frequency scaling, or seen it take anything more than 100ms at the very most to switch |
| [21:41:54] | Dagmar: | I find using the string "performance" is a better way |
| [21:41:59] | sphery: | for boinc/SETI, we're not even saving the planet |
| [21:42:17] | justinh: | I thought there was a climate change boinc. oh the irony |
| [21:42:24] | sphery: | that's true |
| [21:42:31] | gbee: | sphery: a tool like kpowersave will allow you to directly play with frequency scaling modes |
| [21:42:40] | justinh: | you wanna find ET? come to IRC :D |
| [21:43:21] | gbee: | kpowersave is mostly targetted at laptops, but it should work well enough on any system I guess |
| [21:43:46] | gbee: | and there must be Gnome equivalents if you like your apps ugly |
| [21:44:06] | clever: | gbee: on my dell c600, it takes a long time to change the freq |
| [21:44:19] | clever: | gbee: which is plenty for the serial buffer in the mouse to overflow and drop byte |
| [21:44:22] | clever: | s |
| [21:44:29] | clever: | even the keyboard drops bytes sometimes |
| [21:44:33] | sphery: | I'm thinking of creating a new BOINC project to catalog every possible move of every possible deal of Solitaire to determine whether the game is winnable or not. Start with Klondike and add more games later... |
| [21:44:34] | Dagmar: | Only morons need a GUI to change powersave settings. |
| [21:44:35] | Dagmar: | Seriouslyt. |
| [21:45:11] | sphery: | IME, the frequency scaling on Intel-based CPU's is much less responsive. |
| [21:45:16] | clever: | Dagmar: i can change it from cli but its nice to have a dropdown of all freq's |
| [21:45:21] | gbee: | Dagmar: only morons chose to do _everything_ via a gui, sometimes it's just faster to use a gui |
| [21:45:25] | clever: | it also gives me a reading of the current freq when it |
| [21:45:27] | clever: | s on auto |
| [21:45:35] | gbee: | clever: hmm, wonder if it's down to using the wrong module or switching daemon |
| [21:45:52] | clever: | gbee: ive manualy changed it with a cat into a /sys/ file, it still takes a long time |
| [21:46:05] | gbee: | err, "everything via a cli" |
| [21:46:07] | sphery: | gbee: Unfortunately, I don't like "pretty" apps (KDE) or "ugly" ones (GNOME). I'm a fluxbox with no KDE/GNOME libs fan. :) |
| [21:46:11] | clever: | 0.5 seconds or something |
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| [21:46:27] | clever: | gbee: i suspect its counting the bogomips every time, since they change with every freq change |
| [21:46:29] | gbee: | sphery: fair enough |
| [21:46:30] | justinh: | gnome apps are ugly. kde apps.. ugly too :( |
| [21:46:47] | sphery: | gbee: I'm considering taking libnotify-xfce and removing the xfce from it (now that they've removed the GNOME from libnotify and replaced it with xfce stuff) |
| [21:46:54] | gbee: | kde apps are prettier than gnome IMHO |
| [21:46:57] | justinh: | and as long as both oppose each other til death brings them together, twill always be thus |
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| [21:47:28] | gbee: | better designed UIs and options generally too, but it's all subjective |
| [21:47:31] | PatrickDK: | kde in gnome |
| [21:47:38] | Dagmar: | gbee: In the case of cpufreq, there's a sys interface that's ludicrously simple to use with echo |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | but Mark Shuttleworth asked for GNU/Linux devs to start to create a pretty and fancy UI, like on Apples |
| [21:47:58] | gbee: | Dagmar: I know all about it |
| [21:47:58] | justinh: | riiight |
| [21:48:01] | sphery: | so, it won't be long now |
| [21:48:05] | clever: | cpufreq-selector is the cli prog which just uses the /sys/ interface |
| [21:48:20] | justinh: | sphery: so 2 camps will form, fight to the death in a frenzy of inactivity |
| [21:48:32] | Kernel: | i just built a headless ubuntu server and id like to install the backend onto it...is there any good guide to doing so? ive only used gui's to set up mythtv |
| [21:48:45] | justinh: | x forwarding ftw |
| [21:48:50] | gbee: | but it takes two clicks to change the profile with kpowersave |
| [21:48:53] | justinh: | or vnc. or freenx |
| [21:48:54] | sphery: | Kernel: only possible to configure with a GUI |
| [21:49:07] | sphery: | Kernel: use ssh -Y (or, if you really think you need to ssh -X) |
| [21:49:12] | clever: | gbee: it also takes 2 clicks to change the settings on the gnome-panel applet for the freq |
| [21:49:19] | bsdfox: | I use freenx |
| [21:49:24] | clever: | gbee: but if i dont stop the powernowd first, it will just override it later |
| [21:49:26] | bsdfox: | very happy with it.. it's fast |
| [21:49:26] | Kernel: | sphery: hmm i really would like to not install X and everything. |
| [21:49:36] | justinh: | aww |
| [21:49:43] | gbee: | clever: kpowersave sits in the sys tray |
| [21:49:53] | justinh: | but the hdd space it needs is small beans compared to even a 30 minute recording |
| [21:49:54] | bsdfox: | Kernel: you could probably set it up on a frontend machine then just load the database |
| [21:49:55] | sphery: | Kernel: if you're using 0.21-fixes (or below), you /have/ to install X. It's a mandatory prereq of Qt3 |
| [21:50:00] | clever: | gbee: the applet i use can go anywhere on the gnome-panel |
| [21:50:09] | Dagmar: | ...although right now the damn thing is hiding from me |
| [21:50:47] | Kernel: | bsdfox: i currently have the front/back end set up on this computer with x and everything.... |
| [21:50:49] | gbee: | anyway .... back to Myth |
| [21:51:10] | bsdfox: | Kernel: well sphery just told you there's no chance :P |
| [21:51:10] | sphery: | Kernel: besides, X (with debug) on my system = <150MB which equates to about, er, 10 seconds of bad-quality video |
| [21:51:31] | bsdfox: | 15mb/second? are you joking |
| [21:51:42] | clever: | sphery: but on 1 of my systems, i have / on a seperate partition which i made a little small |
| [21:52:03] | bsdfox: | clever: you have room for X |
| [21:52:04] | clever: | so every mb counts |
| [21:52:19] | clever: | bsdfox: yeah i still have X installed on there though i dont even use it |
| [21:52:20] | Kernel: | hmm sphery not sure i understand what u mean?...why do you have 10 seconds of bad quality video? |
| [21:52:28] | bsdfox: | you're talking about 5 cents worth of hard drive space |
| [21:52:30] | ** justinh hands clever another 16k RAM-PAK ** | |
| [21:52:39] | clever: | justinh: thanks! |
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| [21:52:40] | clever: | :P |
| [21:52:46] | sphery: | bsdfox: sorry, I forgot my min/hr |
| [21:52:56] | Dagmar: | Kernel: He's recorded the best parts of Big Brother |
| [21:53:00] | clever: | bsdfox: i cant resize the root partition, its at the end of the drive |
| [21:53:12] | bsdfox: | clever: put /usr on a different partition then |
| [21:53:13] | clever: | bad choices when i installed it to the hdd |
| [21:53:16] | gbee: | Dagmar: :D |
| [21:53:17] | bsdfox: | you're just fighting it for no reason |
| [21:53:20] | justinh: | anyway. just install X |
| [21:53:33] | justinh: | the space it takes is of little or no consequence |
| [21:53:36] | bsdfox: | or backup and just reinstall |
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| [21:53:39] | sphery: | Kernel: I'm saying that the space used by X would be insignificant compared to the size of videos |
| [21:53:45] | clever: | bsdfox: yeah reinstall would be much better |
| [21:53:51] | clever: | then i can just fix the 2gig / |
| [21:53:56] | bsdfox: | not really |
| [21:54:00] | bsdfox: | 2 gigs is plenty for X |
| [21:54:12] | clever: | 2gig is bearly enough for ubuntu |
| [21:54:14] | bsdfox: | in fact I build it on a 1.7gb gentoo partition |
| [21:54:16] | bsdfox: | I build mythtv |
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| [21:54:30] | Kernel: | sphery: ah ok i understand now. space is not the issue. i just wanted to keep this system lean and mean...i dont need x on it....but if its the only way..... |
| [21:54:32] | sphery: | bsdfox: 8min 48sec of bad-quality video |
| [21:54:34] | clever: | every distro is diff |
| [21:54:39] | bsdfox: | ubuntu uses binary packages.. you could run is very small |
| [21:54:42] | bsdfox: | < 1gb |
| [21:54:47] | gbee: | clever: default install maybe, once you've uninstalled all the stuff you don't need .. |
| [21:54:55] | clever: | bsdfox: a bare ubuntu install is ~500mb |
| [21:55:02] | bsdfox: | pimp |
| [21:55:08] | chilled: | hi – i've got a remote mythfrontend problem where X cpu usage goes to 80% and the playback freezes |
| [21:55:11] | clever: | gbee: ive allready striped alot of the unneeded stuff |
| [21:55:13] | bsdfox: | so you ahve 1.5gb for X qt and mythtv |
| [21:55:33] | Kernel: | i just installed ubuntu server...pretty nice so far...not extra bells and whistles...installed in 6 mins flat too |
| [21:55:38] | justinh: | hmm I have no /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| [21:55:40] | clever: | bsdfox: by bare, i mean not even a kernel or boot loader:P |
| [21:55:42] | sphery: | chilled: what video drivers? |
| [21:55:47] | bsdfox: | chilled: tried adding Option |
| [21:55:53] | bsdfox: | chilled: tried adding Option "UseEvents" "on" |
| [21:56:00] | clever: | bsdfox: the result of a debootstrap run |
| [21:56:04] | bsdfox: | clever: dude you are being such a noob |
| [21:56:11] | sphery: | if nvidia, do as bsdfox says :) |
| [21:56:27] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [21:56:28] | clever: | /dev/sda3 2.3G 1.8G 426M 82% / |
| [21:56:44] | bsdfox: | you can't get it smaller than 1.8gb? |
| [21:56:53] | chilled: | i've got ati |
| [21:56:56] | justinh: | bsdfox: if by 'noob' you mean doing things the longest most painful & pointless way, then yes |
| [21:57:05] | sphery: | justinh: what processor? Might not support CPU freq scaling |
| [21:57:12] | clever: | bsdfox: i could start removing mysqld and a few kernels, but then it wouldnt be much use |
| [21:57:14] | justinh: | core2 duo mobile |
| [21:57:15] | bsdfox: | and he's saying that the base install doesn't include a kernel |
| [21:57:17] | bsdfox: | lol |
| [21:57:24] | bsdfox: | clever: you need mysql |
| [21:57:26] | sphery: | justinh: OK, perhaps no kernel support? |
| [21:57:28] | bsdfox: | wtf are you talking about |
| [21:57:34] | justinh: | arghh bummer |
| [21:57:49] | clever: | bsdfox: the bare bones install from 'debootstrap' didnt have a kernel, it was just something i could chroot into |
| [21:58:08] | bsdfox: | congrats? |
| [21:58:15] | clever: | bsdfox: i need mysqld on that small system because its the box hosting mythconverg |
| [21:58:17] | bsdfox: | my kernel is like 2.2mb |
| [21:58:19] | justinh: | that's all a bootstrap is innit |
| [21:58:19] | Dagmar: | justinh: Yeah I was looking in that same place and they seem to have relocated the damn interface in the last few kernels |
| [21:58:24] | bsdfox: | plus a couple modules |
| [21:58:35] | clever: | bsdfox: my kernel package is ~60mb, but thats including all the modules it comes with |
| [21:58:38] | clever: | 62352 linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic install ok installed |
| [21:58:40] | Kernel: | aptitude install mythbuntu-desktop is about 400mb's :| |
| [21:58:43] | bsdfox: | yeah I don't run ubuntu |
| [21:58:47] | sphery: | justinh: or, perhaps they moved it... |
| [21:58:49] | clever: | (installed-size field from the deb package) |
| [21:58:49] | Dagmar: | justinh: I'll have to go dig out their updated docs later to see, or I guess just use cpufrequtils like I'm supposed to |
| [21:58:53] | bsdfox: | you could delete the modules you're not using |
| [21:59:21] | clever: | bsdfox: on a custom system i compiled from scratch, i only have 7mb in /lib/modules/ |
| [21:59:32] | clever: | and a 1.7mb kernel |
| [21:59:38] | bsdfox: | then why are you bitching about the size of a kernel |
| [21:59:46] | bsdfox: | god you aren't even trying |
| [22:00:00] | clever: | i just havent bothered striping the ubuntu kernel down |
| [22:00:08] | bsdfox: | that's not going to do anything |
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| [22:00:19] | Dagmar: | 859k here. |
| [22:00:20] | bsdfox: | what's your goal? save 200k on the kernel? |
| [22:00:22] | clever: | lol |
| [22:00:23] | Dagmar: | j00 suk |
| [22:00:41] | clever: | Dagmar: lsmod shows that i have zero modules loaded:P |
| [22:00:42] | sphery: | seems Dagmar was 21 seconds faster than me at realizing/typing in that the location moved |
| [22:00:42] | chilled: | i have a radeon xpress200M with module AIT Radeon 9500 to Radeon x1050 – will "useEvents" "on" help? and if so how do i set it? |
| [22:00:58] | justinh: | " no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| [22:01:03] | Dagmar: | chilled: You could always read the docs and find out |
| [22:01:10] | bsdfox: | chilled: no that's for nvidia only afaik |
| [22:01:35] | justinh: | getting nvidia will help :) |
| [22:01:36] | bsdfox: | justinh: you need to either compile support for it in the kernel or install the cpufrequtils package |
| [22:01:39] | Dagmar: | Don't use us as a sanity check for things you're not willing to actually read the whole paragraph on |
| [22:01:47] | justinh: | bsdfox: I just installed that |
| [22:01:55] | Dagmar: | bsdfox: You have to do both |
| [22:02:06] | Dagmar: | cpufrequtils won't do a damn thing without kernel support |
| [22:02:10] | bsdfox: | Dagmar: right, but he's obviously half way there :P |
| [22:02:23] | justinh: | I have modules here for cpufreq related things |
| [22:02:27] | Dagmar: | bsdfox: I am too used to clever |
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| [22:02:29] | clever: | damnit |
| [22:02:35] | justinh: | ahh they ain't loaded |
| [22:02:36] | clever: | thats the 3rd time my backend aborted |
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| [22:02:43] | Dagmar: | He's likely to take something like that and assume you mean kernel support is optional |
| [22:03:47] | gbee: | chilled: using the official ATi driver would help, from your description you might have been using the OSS version |
| [22:04:12] | bsdfox: | your kernel is 859k? I haven't seen one that small in a while |
| [22:04:18] | bsdfox: | maybe since 2.4 |
| [22:04:28] | Dagmar: | Well... heheh |
| [22:04:47] | clever: | bsdfox: that reminds me, ive heard about how hard it is to get a 2.6 to fit on a floppy:P |
| [22:05:02] | chilled: | video is freezing for this reason: NVP: Video is 21.8056 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up. – any ideas? |
| [22:05:10] | Dagmar: | clever: Not to mention how hard it is to explain that you're still using floppies |
| [22:05:28] | clever: | Dagmar: i still need a floppy for the 486sx system:P |
| [22:05:33] | Dagmar: | chilled: That you don't have the ATI driver installed |
| [22:05:42] | clever: | which cant even run a normal kernel atm |
| [22:05:45] | clever: | no math emulation |
| [22:05:47] | Dagmar: | clever: No, you need a deep hole for the 486sx system. |
| [22:05:54] | bsdfox: | chilled: I'm sure that card will play it.. I can play SD alrgith on an 8mb ati mach3d in my laptop |
| [22:06:11] | chilled: | so you think i need to update driver? |
| [22:06:28] | bsdfox: | ati is a pita :( |
| [22:06:51] | clever: | agreed! |
| [22:06:52] | chilled: | yeh – i'm getting that – already given up on compiz |
| [22:06:53] | Shadow__X: | bsdfox, did you install the driver |
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| [22:08:12] | clever: | bbl |
| [22:08:32] | bsdfox: | Shadow__X: I think I run the ati driver on there |
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| [22:08:46] | bsdfox: | "ati" not fglrx |
| [22:08:55] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [22:09:04] | clever: | 'ati' just autodetects what you have and loads something else |
| [22:09:11] | clever: | 'rage128' in my case i think |
| [22:09:31] | bsdfox: | for xpress200m? |
| [22:09:39] | clever: | depends on what you actualy have |
| [22:09:43] | clever: | look at the xorg logs |
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| [22:10:01] | bsdfox: | yeah I could but laptop is buries |
| [22:10:03] | bsdfox: | d |
| [22:10:24] | gbee: | fglrx ftw, at least if your card is halfway modern |
| [22:11:25] | Shadow__X: | fglrx works for me on a x1400 but mythtv and certain wine apps gives me screen corruption |
| [22:12:22] | gbee: | corruption? I get a very small amount of tearing on high motion, but otherwise it's perfect |
| [22:12:32] | gbee: | x1250 |
| [22:12:51] | Shadow__X: | hmm my monitor splits down the middle |
| [22:13:04] | Shadow__X: | on each side i have whats supposed to be on the screen |
| [22:13:14] | Shadow__X: | and it looks like interlacing has split it appart |
| [22:13:27] | gbee: | Catalyst 8.4 or 8.5, can't remember which right now |
| [22:13:49] | Dagmar: | Split which way? |
| [22:14:26] | gbee: | Shadow__X: if it's a recent driver version I suggest reporting it to Ati so it can get fixed |
| [22:14:50] | Shadow__X: | its already been reported |
| [22:15:12] | gbee: | k |
| [22:16:03] | Shadow__X: | gbee, like that |
| [22:16:04] | Shadow__X: | http://www.saunalahti.fi/hotti/pics/pic2.jpg |
| [22:17:35] | iamlindoro: | sigh, that wasn't what I hoped for in a URL including "hotti" |
| [22:17:52] | bsdfox: | you guys got tvout working with it? |
| [22:18:56] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, i never endorsed it as such |
| [22:19:23] | iamlindoro: | How dare you not be responsible for my jumping to conclusions! |
| [22:20:10] | Dagmar: | lol ati fixing something |
| [22:20:10] | Shadow__X: | i appologize |
| [22:20:14] | Shadow__X: | it is my fault |
| [22:22:02] | gbee: | bsdfox: tvout with a Radeon xpress? Yes, and without exaggeration it's 10x better than NVidia's tvout |
| [22:22:47] | gbee: | Shadow__X: nope, never seen that, haven't a clue |
| [22:23:26] | gbee: | Dagmar: you shouldn't be so cynical ;) |
| [22:24:23] | gbee: | ATi have fixed problems pretty quickly lately, as in they are fixed within a month or two of the reports – depending obviously on how easy the fix is |
| [22:25:15] | sphery: | And they just released their cheap-to-make top-of-the-line GPU which trounces on the expensive-to-make top-of-the-line GPU from NVIDIA... |
| [22:25:45] | sphery: | so they're happy, now, so they should be more productive |
| [22:25:47] | gbee: | I'm getting tired of defending ATi, not because they don't deserve it but because people just aren't interested in hearing that ATi has improved |
| [22:26:01] | bsdfox: | my nvidia tvout rules |
| [22:26:17] | gbee: | it's funny that despite how frequently Nvidia break their drivers you don't find the same level of Nvidia bashing |
| [22:26:20] | sphery: | getting a TV that doesn't need TV out rules |
| [22:26:28] | Dagmar: | sphery: No one cares what they just released. |
| [22:26:30] | Dagmar: | Seriously. |
| [22:26:50] | Dagmar: | Six months from now you can s/ATI/nVIdia/g; and the exact same shit will still be true |
| [22:27:42] | Dagmar: | The big difference I suspect is that when nVidia does it, they don't have it as the major headline on their press release |
| [22:27:48] | gbee: | bsdfox: the quality is so much better with ATi tv-out than it was on any of my Nvidia tvout frontends, plus the overscan/positioning ui is what Nvidia should have had in nvidia-settings from day one (but still don't) |
| [22:28:12] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [22:28:20] | Shadow__X: | if i can get my ati card to work |
| [22:28:20] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [22:29:00] | sphery: | Dagmar: history is cyclical until it's not :) |
| [22:29:26] | gbee: | it's fair to say that Nvidia, somehow, have managed to secure the goodwill of a lot of people .... Ati could beat Nvidia on performance, price, drivers and every other measure yet still people would be beating the Nvidia drum |
| [22:29:46] | Dagmar: | It *might* have something do with being nice to the customers. |
| [22:29:48] | Shadow__X: | i really like the new ati series |
| [22:30:01] | Shadow__X: | BB is mean to customers all the time |
| [22:30:02] | sphery: | I really like the new ATI (spelled AMD) |
| [22:30:05] | Shadow__X: | and they come back |
| [22:30:21] | Dagmar: | I mean, ATI does a press release to the effect of "We've changed, we're making working drivers now" but it only applies to the latest cards. Zero work on older cards. |
| [22:30:41] | sphery: | you have to start somewhere |
| [22:30:45] | Dagmar: | ...or my favorite "We'll release specifications so that people can write a 3D driver for our old cards" |
| [22:30:55] | Dagmar: | Like that's anything useful.. |
| [22:30:56] | sphery: | I'm very glad they're not wasting time on the R150 |
| [22:31:07] | gbee: | Dagmar: would you rather they ignore the newer cards to make those 10 year old Rage 128s work first? |
| [22:31:13] | Dagmar: | ...when the OSS driver works about as well as their proprietary one already |
| [22:31:19] | sphery: | gbee: exactly |
| [22:31:36] | Dagmar: | gbee: Not those, but the cards from just six months ago would be nice. |
| [22:32:11] | gbee: | Dagmar: well those would be the newer cards they are working to support ... |
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| [22:32:39] | sphery: | ATI made a major change to GPU design--basically dual core--which took a lot of time and planning to get it right. NVIDIA hasn't made that change (or even started it), so they're where Intel was when AMD started pushing the Athlon 64's... |
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| [22:32:55] | Dagmar: | ...and in the meantime, nVidia doesn't give us source, but they DO give us consistently updated and funny functional drivers for just about eveyr card they've made since they started using the nVidia name |
| [22:32:57] | sphery: | my (very simplified) understanding |
| [22:33:28] | Dagmar: | I mean, it seems to me like ATI is very busy trying to tell us how cool they're being to us, while nVidia has just been _doing_ it for 10 years now. |
| [22:33:34] | Dagmar: | This is why people like nVidia over ATI. |
| [22:33:51] | gbee: | Dagmar: that's easier to do when they've been making linux drivers for a long time, ATi, by their own admission haven't but they are working to change things |
| [22:34:16] | Dagmar: | sphery: So that would be the reason you can scale nVidia computation to "how many PCIe slots can you put in one board" |
| [22:34:36] | Dagmar: | gbee: See, the problem is that we don't need future milk. |
| [22:34:42] | Dagmar: | We need right-now-milk. |
| [22:35:07] | sphery: | Dagmar: they don't scale the same as on-die multi-GPU because you're necessarily limited by PCIe bandwidth |
| [22:35:07] | gbee: | Dagmar: just so I'm clear, name a six month old card which isn't supported |
| [22:35:21] | Dagmar: | They can change all they like, but the issue is that still the majority of the ATI hardware out there is a bitch to work with |
| [22:35:29] | gbee: | I'd like to know just what we're arguing about ;) |
| [22:35:33] | sphery: | Dagmar: they've got something like 10GB/sec bandwidth just turned off in their new GPU because they didn't know how to use it, yet. |
| [22:35:44] | sphery: | and, yes, that's a B, not a b |
| [22:35:49] | Dagmar: | Yay for them |
| [22:36:06] | Dagmar: | You wanted to know why people "beat the nVidia drum" and I'm laying it out for you. |
| [22:36:24] | Dagmar: | Not eveyrthing is _about_ the $400 top of the line video card |
| [22:36:38] | Dagmar: | For Linux users, it's typically the "last year's release $150 card" |
| [22:36:51] | Dagmar: | Hell, for most Windows users it's like that |
| [22:37:13] | gbee: | Dagmar: and I'm saying that holding their history against them is irrational, by the same token I could still hold a grudge against MS for Win ME .... oh wait .. |
| [22:37:22] | sphery: | Well, the $299 mid-range ATI came in at 15% slower than the $649 NVIDIA top-of-the-line. One day, that mid-range will be the low-end GPU I buy. |
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| [22:37:40] | Dagmar: | So, again, no one gives a damn about the latest release |
| [22:37:45] | sphery: | that's HD4850 and HD4870 |
| [22:38:25] | Dagmar: | gbee: It's not "their history". It's the fact that people still have ATI cards by the basketfull that won't work worth a damn under Linux, and aren't likely to do so. |
| [22:38:33] | sphery: | well, I think this /one/ time, it was a big deal--not because of numbers, but because ATI started doing things differently for the X2 GPU's |
| [22:39:39] | Dagmar: | It's a bit like someone being a reformed kleptomaniac. |
| [22:39:56] | gbee: | Dagmar: quite a few of those cards are well past their sell-by date, I can't have sympathy, but more than that they know those cards don't work ... it's no reason to avoid ATi's current cards that _do_ |
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| [22:40:38] | sphery: | And, when you factor in the huge problem (=huge cost) with the broken NVIDIA G92/G94 (and possibly other) cores, I know they're not fancying being behind right now. |
| [22:41:08] | Dagmar: | I'm not worrying about those yet, and neither are many other people. |
| [22:41:10] | gbee: | the fact that linux is used by a lot of people who seem to collect antique equipment isn't really the fault of ATi |
| [22:41:18] | Dagmar: | We don't have anything that particularly requires that yet |
| [22:41:40] | Dagmar: | gbee: I would not say the line of "antiques" starts at anything older than Radeon 8500. |
| [22:42:16] | Dagmar: | ..a.nd ATI's driver isn't open source either. |
| [22:42:33] | Dagmar: | So basically, they're still not even keeping pace with nVidia for driver support, nor do they have any plans to. |
| [22:43:21] | gbee: | 8500 ... that was what, 2002? |
| [22:43:54] | Dagmar: | Should I care? I don't use ATI. |
| [22:44:05] | Dagmar: | I've better things to do than wait FIVE YEARS for a driver. |
| [22:44:19] | Dagmar: | Again, you wanted to know why people don't like ATI, and this is it. |
| [22:44:23] | Dagmar: | Too little, too late. |
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| [22:44:35] | Dagmar: | It's going to be a couple years before they've overcome this. |
| [22:44:40] | Dagmar: | y-e-a-r-s. |
| [22:44:40] | sphery: | and too closed-minded :) |
| [22:45:04] | Dagmar: | You say "closed-minded" I say "not being naieve enough to believe PR spin" |
| [22:45:51] | Dagmar: | The smart kids don't believe a damn thing nVidia or ATI say until they've seen it in person anyway |
| [22:46:10] | gbee: | if it was just PR spin the ATi/AMD devs would not be talking to, assisting and taking bug reports from users in unofficial forums |
| [22:46:48] | Dagmar: | Hey again, good for them. |
| [22:46:52] | gbee: | but can we just agree a truce, I'm getting sick of having this argument again ;) |
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| [22:47:26] | Dagmar: | People still aren't likely to let a "reformed pyromaniac" house-sit. |
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| [22:49:28] | ** gbee waits for his house to burn down because he's using ATi ** | |
| [22:49:39] | sphery: | Don't worry gbee. Eventually, when the cost of figuring out how to improve their existing GPU line and the loss of income in their x86 chipset business gets to them, even Dagmar will start to consider ATI--just like he no longer uses 3dfx cards. :) |
| [22:50:24] | sphery: | Unless, of course, NVIDIA becomes (=merger/buyout) AMD/ATI |
| [22:50:26] | gbee: | sphery: I don't really care what Dagmar uses, I'm just tired of anti-Ati fud |
| [22:50:45] | Dagmar: | sphery: Exactly. |
| [22:50:48] | Dagmar: | I have some fuckin' sense. |
| [22:50:52] | gbee: | use nvidia, use intel ... I don't care |
| [22:51:14] | Dagmar: | I know why people "beat the drum" but i've no problem changing, once a manufacturer is making what I want |
| [22:51:36] | Dagmar: | gbee: So which parts of what I was saying were "anti" anything |
| [22:52:12] | Dagmar: | nVidia's been giving us what we really want for a long while now |
| [22:52:26] | Dagmar: | It doesn't really concern most nVidia users what other manufacturers are doing |
| [22:52:33] | Dagmar: | No FUD needed. |
| [22:53:25] | Dagmar: | ...like, Intel. I used to not like them for integrated chipsets. Of course, that was when it was really clear their driver was just fake calls to the DirectX equivalent of MESA |
| [22:53:37] | Dagmar: | ...which looked like crap and gave godawful performance. |
| [22:54:23] | Dagmar: | Once they started putting actual hardware to do 3D on the boards, they started being acceptable. Not really great for gaming, but they didn't insult your intelligence. |
| [22:54:29] | directhex: | i like cake. does Dagmar like cake? |
| [22:54:41] | Dagmar: | I like cake with little pies in it |
| [22:54:44] | sid3windr: | mm, cake |
| [22:58:16] | AndyCap: | the cake is a lie |
| [22:58:25] | Dagmar: | ...but the pies are real. |
| [22:58:48] | sphery: | AndyCap: lol. Great game. |
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| [22:58:57] | directhex: | destory every pie you touch... |
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| [23:02:34] | directhex: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165195/ |
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| [23:09:52] | Shadow__X: | would a ati 4850 be an issue with linux |
| [23:10:09] | Shadow__X: | ding ding |
| [23:12:23] | bsdfox: | check their website |
| [23:12:25] | bsdfox: | :P |
| [23:12:39] | Shadow__X: | alright |
| [23:13:18] | Shadow__X: | according to their site my x1400 is supported |
| [23:13:29] | Shadow__X: | and supported != screen corruption |
| [23:13:39] | Shadow__X: | so i dont know about believing thsat |
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| [23:19:56] | Kernel: | hello all. i have a pvr-150 on it there is is the remote sensor cable with 2 things on it. only one of them actually accepts the remote signal right? and the other one is broadcast to a cable box if u need it to? i ask because i just rearranged my set up and now the short cable on the sensor is too short. |
| [23:20:23] | Kernel: | or can i use the longer sensor(its the littler red sensor)? |
| [23:20:33] | clever: | the short one is the receiver |
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| [23:20:57] | Kernel: | thats what i though and was afraid of. |
| [23:21:13] | Kernel: | do they sell longer replacements? |
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| [23:21:28] | clever: | i just moved crap arround so it would reach myself |
| [23:21:53] | Kernel: | i see. |
| [23:22:03] | Kernel: | welp guess i boned lol |
| [23:22:17] | Kernel: | nfi what to do now.... |
| [23:22:26] | clever: | move more crap! |
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| [23:23:02] | Kernel: | lol |
| [23:23:28] | Kernel: | i wonder why they made the receiver so short.... |
| [23:23:53] | Dagmar: | Odd. mine's not short |
| [23:24:16] | Kernel: | mines like 3–5 feet |
| [23:24:16] | clever: | mine is maybe 2 feet long |
| [23:24:23] | Kernel: | yea ^^ |
| [23:25:04] | Kernel: | its under my desk...and i it wont even go from in back of computer up the back of the desk to a spot in the open. |
| [23:26:33] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a genetics thing |
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| [23:38:41] | wagnerrp: | why does it have to go up the back of your desk? |
| [23:39:29] | wagnerrp: | its not like youre going to be sitting at your desk, using the remote |
| [23:39:46] | wagnerrp: | it just needs to be visible from across the room |
| [23:40:15] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even have to be that |
| [23:40:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got a vaulted ceiling |
| [23:40:49] | wagnerrp: | and my harmony is powerful enough to be picked up by the receiver, hidden behind the computer, reflecting off the ceiling |
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| [23:48:41] | clever: | wagnerrp: i just tapped it to the wall where it has full view of the room |
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