Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

the modular nature of perl is now starting to become it's achilles heal

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directhex:

perltastic!

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justinh:

the googlemovies script was a recent example, and now this. it's insane

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directhex:

gbee, large files are what xfs is fast at

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kormoc:

gbee, it's getting worse then it used to. I upgraded one module only to be told it required the newer version to build the newer version...

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justinh:

the effing thing didn't bum out. identical scripts on marginally different systems behaved differently. madness

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gbee:

they should think about merging stuff together into larger modules

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justinh:

this was in http::parser ffs – which allegedly hadn't even changed syntax

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** directhex sticks with non-perl languages **

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justinh:

or whatever perl thingy – the page scraping crap

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justinh:

I thought ffmpeg were bad enough at consistency

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gbee:

no wonder perl CGI is a dying art

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justinh:

ruby on rails tv grabber.. ? or is that not the lang-du-jour anymore?

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kormoc:

php!

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justinh:

syntax of stuff should never change unless it's life or death IMHO... and even then...

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gbee:

used to be that every other dynamically generated page was .cgi or .shtml, these days it's all php

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Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp

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justinh:

I'm now completely terrified of upgrading important stuff incase all my config files get broken. got badly burned when I ran gentoo for that

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gbee:

ruby is still at the hobbyist level, if another shiny toy appears I wouldn't be suprised to see it die off, but it's not easy to predict

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justinh:

that's pretty much how I reckon too

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Dagmar:

but it haz rails!

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directhex:

gbee, like python? :)

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Dagmar:

it r extreme!

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justinh:

and python

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kormoc:

gbee, given Ruby is older then PHP, I'm fairly sure it'll never pick up critical mass to be truely popular

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directhex:

haskell!

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justinh:

the next player will come along, it'll get taken up by all the cool kids

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gbee:

justinh: if it's a good distro then it should handle config updates/changes gracefully

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directhex:

functional programming lives!

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Dagmar:

Too many functions that could be aliased as doesyourjobforyou()

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kormoc:

gbee, gentoo allows one to shoot themselves in the foot if they don't pay attention

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Dagmar:

...which is great if your job is trivialcraptheyteachascollegeassignments()

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justinh:

gbee: wot no 'change of da management so we's decided to bugger up the config files' ?

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kormoc:

that said, I like that it doesn't get in my way and prevent me from doing that

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** kormoc shrugs **

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gbee:

directhex: that reminds me, I'm halfway through watching a haskell presentation

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Dagmar:

gbee: You know, there's actual bondage sites on the internet you can look at instead

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gbee:

I still don't get it, but I'm hoping I will by the end ;)

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justinh:

yeah you need to read each & every emerge log with a fine toothcomb. If I'd known that before emerging a whole world of hell I might not have ended up in a situation where reinstalling would take less time than changing some files

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** justinh wonders whatever became of www.mmmmpphhhh.com **

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gbee:

glad I didn't get swept up in the Gentoo love-in

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kormoc:

I'm a control freak, so it comes naturally for me

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justinh:

I can sympathise with build scripts crapping out if you don't have version X of a thing though. I mean who wants all the pain of supporting people running 20 year old software?

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justinh:

time to remind myself of my HDD layout. maybe a 'safe' upgrade will be possible. like maybe er.. 7.10 – whatever critter they named it

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clever:

the 6.06 qt4 wasnt able to even compile mythtv trunk to i upgraded to 7.10 long ago

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clever:

which broke lirc_i2c and partialy fixed a ivtv bug

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gbee:

echo the elephant?

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justinh:

oh goody. only /and /home are on hda

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justinh:

so swap in a spare HDD. installeroony.. bingo. ugh. compiling. still, should only take 3 hours (ha!)

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justinh:

should take the machine down for a good cleaning anyway by rights, esp now we have the dog

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clever:

qt is still ignoring me:(

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wagnerrp:

justinh: thats why i ended up moving to jails for everything on my freebsd box

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justinh:

hdds are running a tad warm. might be time for that cleaning for sure

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wagnerrp:

if anything gets too far out of whack, i can just flush the whole 'system' rather than have downtime on different servers

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justinh:

heh June 2006 was when Dapper Duck was unleashed

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justinh:

that's ancient in linux terms

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wagnerrp:

im still running gentoo 2006.1 on my laptop

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wagnerrp:

im surprised i havent emerged it to destruction yet

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justinh:

that's a bit like saying you've got a 200 year old broom though isn't it?

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justinh:

all you've done is replace the handle & the head a few times :P

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm still running 1.0 on my server :P

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justinh:

why is http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/dapper/xmltv-util in blimmin russki?

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justinh:

or rather, some of it...

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kormoc:

justinh, you're about to get invaded, better start welcoming your blimmin russki overlords

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wagnerrp:

well proper english speakers use schedules direct... :P

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justinh:

maybe I should take my old nick back then

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iamlindoro:

As an EOL measure, Ubuntu converts all pages on unsupported releases to Russian

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directhex:

because UK means ukranian?

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justinh:

hahaha DUH

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justinh:

!trout self

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** MythLogBot slaps self with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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directhex:

sorry to give a boring answer

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directhex:

bedtime.

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clever:

< justinh> I hate perl. dependencies have got ridiculous. oh you want this? you need this, but your version isn't new enough. or

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clever:

oh you've got that, that's fine but I won't work properly because this has only been tested on some unknown newer version of ABC

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clever:

<@Symphonics> truer words have never been spoken.

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justinh:

ahh cpan to the rescue

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justinh:

clever: so what does the guru suggest instead?

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justinh:

tv_grab_uk_rt now has regional channels by postcode? WHOAH

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justinh:

and providers?!

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justinh:

jeebus!

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justinh:

and it bleddy works. I'm astounded

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iamlindoro:

eBay is so full of vultures

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iamlindoro:

love it when people contact you with insulting lowball offers

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justinh:

I used to wonder how many were from ebay trying to catch people out

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justinh:

end early hmm? contradict some T&Cs & get booted orf hmm? come on...

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iamlindoro:

*not* going to accept 30% of the price of my items, kthanksbye

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justinh:

did I start that whole xmltv wizard idea? not sure not. glad somebody saw it through. I'm truly gobsmacked

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kdubya:

i just sold my iphone on ebay and someone emailed me an offered me double what it was worth

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kdubya:

i thought it was a scam but that person just won the auction

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justinh:

that is just jeffing awesomeness in a can. salvation? almost

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rimbob:

so i don't get segfaults anymore

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rimbob:

but i still get the file descriptor error :x

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justinh:

emailed nick to express the :-O

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justinh:

course now I have to update my .xmltv file

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justinh:

or not. old style is good too. nice

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justinh:

backywards compatibility as well. they think of everything

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justinh:

kdubya: prolly still a scam IMHO

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justinh:

you'd have to be seriously nipped to offer more than the market rate for any item.. esp that much more

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kdubya:

yeah, i was kind of pissed

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kdubya:

because now i bet i have to list it again

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justinh:

Hallo my friend seeling Ifone! I am long lost relative of your late uncle John. My spirit guide telled me John wanted me to porchise your ifone for lot of monays

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kdubya:

there were probably 6 emails asking me to end the auction early

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justinh:

emailed me at dgfjadshfgkadsjhfgyutri3456327453267543@yahoo.com

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kdubya:

that was the only one that offered more than what it ended it

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kdubya:

i dont get why someone would pay $400 for my scratched up phone

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justinh:

well, if they pay up who cares? ;)

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Gumby:

hi all, I'm STILL trying to figure out why mythweb's (which is located on my webserver and not my dvb box) link to an ASX file on the Recorded Programs page points to http://dvr/mythweb/pl/stream/2299/1218568080.asx. "dvr" IS the name of my mythbox, but why/how does mythweb point there to download a recording?

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justinh:

mmmm because it's set up incorrectly?

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Gumby:

hehe, well I get that much :) I'm trying to figure out where and how

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justinh:

it grabs icons as well now?!?!?!?!?! give that guy a holiday

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justinh:

Gumby: IIRC paths can now be set in mythweb itself within the settings pages

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Gumby:

justinh, Just been looking there as well, havnt found it yet.

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Gumby:

maybe I am using an older version of mythweb. could be my problem

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justinh:

in the past, paths were always set up in the config file

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Gumby:

yeah, thats what I was looking for

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Gumby:

ok well. it will have to wait for tomorrow. the gf is gonna kill me if I dont eat dinner

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Gumby:

thanks for the help/info justinh

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: are you using the mythweb intended for your version of mythtv?

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Gumby:

wagnerrp, I'm using 0.21 on both. not sure which version of mythweb I have here but I will make sure thats the next thing I do is move the current version over to my server aslo

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justinh:

wow. mythweb can do table checks & repairs now

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justinh:

didn't know that!

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Gumby:

yeah, pretty neat

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rimbob:

thank jebus

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wagnerrp:

mythweb lets you set any variable you want

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wagnerrp:

you just cannot yet create variables

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wagnerrp:

starting with 0.21

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wagnerrp:

actually, i think you could do that in 0.20 too

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rimbob:

http://pastebin.ca/1168962

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NeoMatrixJR:

Ok, I've finally gotten MythTV to not go black and then right back to the menu when I try and watch TV. Now it tries to watch, but can't get a channel lock. I'm not sure how to set up the source and input connnections. can anyone help me navigate the wiki to get helpful instructions?

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rimbob:

oh gbee, my mpg files are all zero-length. is this useful information?>

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NeoMatrixJR:

where did everybody go?

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SHADOW__X1:

anyone have a dcm-202 modem?

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mzb_d800:

NeoMatrixJR: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-setup

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mzb_d800:

and possibly: http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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mzb_d800:

(according to google for mythtv-setup;))

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SHADOW__X1:

no one dcm-202 modem?

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NeoMatrixJR:

who makes the dcm-202...it sounds familiar

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SHADOW__X1:

dlink

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NeoMatrixJR:

Shadow__X1...I think that's the same modem my parent's have

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SHADOW__X1:

do they have comcast?

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NeoMatrixJR:

Mediacom

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NeoMatrixJR:

mzb_d800: Thanks. I think I figured out that I don't have the correct tuner freq's. I'm trying to figure out how to get those now.

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mzb_d800:

it all feels reasonably straightforward when you've done it a few times ;)

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mzb_d800:

easiest way is to modify as little as possible

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NeoMatrixJR:

SHADOW__X1: I had comcast once upon a time...maybe I can help. what do u need?

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SHADOW__X1:

well its really me trying to figure out if my modem supports powerboost i have read countless threads about how it does

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SHADOW__X1:

but those where from about a year ago

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SHADOW__X1:

so i dont know how relavent

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rimbob:

when was it made

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rimbob:

and what DOCSIS spec is it

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SHADOW__X1:

and what doesnt help me gauge if its working right is that comcast messed up my speed tiier

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SHADOW__X1:

2.0

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rimbob:

then it will work fine..

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wagnerrp:

the modem shouldnt have anything to do with powerboost

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NeoMatrixJR:

SHADOW__X1: you'll probably want the DOCSIS 3.0 when it comes out...I wouldn't worry until then. But yeah...that modem is fine.

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SHADOW__X1:

wagnerrp: then how come i have read alot about it not working

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wagnerrp:

the modem is just set at the peak speed, and then youre regulated at the headend

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SHADOW__X1:

ah

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SHADOW__X1:

ok

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that your modem must support the peak speed

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SHADOW__X1:

ah

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NeoMatrixJR:

mzb_d800: I'm trying to do a freq scan. It'll pop up "locked" for a second then go back to "no lock" and won't find a channel. Any thoughts?

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mzb_d800:

not really ... I've only got experience with dvb-t

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rimbob:

set the signal sensitivity

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NeoMatrixJR:

rimbob: I see signal timeout and tuning timeout...nothing about sensitivity.

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rimbob:

i can't think of the word

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rimbob:

it's on the tip of my tongue though

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rimbob:

NeoMatrixJR: what you want to do is change the minimum required signal, but i can't remember what the option is called

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rimbob:

NeoMatrixJR: signal threshholdddd

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rimbob:

that was the word.

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NeoMatrixJR:

rimbob: hmmm...that used to be in the frontend setup according to the wiki, but it's not there now....

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NeoMatrixJR:

I think I might have got it. I just increased the lock time. got one channel anyways. I'm doing a FULL scan now. Then I get to figure out how to do the NTSC tuner next :(

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NeoMatrixJR:

when I tested the one channel I had it didn't fill the screen with the picture though.

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm

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NeoMatrixJR:

n/m HD picture, 4:3 monitor

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wagnerrp:

HD can be 4:3

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wagnerrp:

1440x1080 is fairly common

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Dagmar:

HD and SD are unrelated to pixel size... just a reminder

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wagnerrp:

pixel size? you mean aspect ratio?

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Dagmar:

I mean pixel size.

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ajh:

Pixel shape is though.

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Dagmar:

1440x800 == pixel specification

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wagnerrp:

well pixel size is defined by the TV

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Dagmar:

You're not getting me

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wagnerrp:

spparently not

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Dagmar:

It's limited by the TV tho

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Dagmar:

Fuck 'em

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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iamlindoro:

This is *always* the right channel for that :)

[03:39:58]

Dagmar:

Well, that was in response to someone saying "poor noodle eaters" about the goldfarmer market bottoming out

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NeoMatrixJR:

yeah..it was a 16:9 HD broadcast of a 4:3 program. The system shrunk the 16:9 to fit the screen, so it looked like a shrunken 4:3 broadcast

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NeoMatrixJR:

I think I'm finally getting this...now I've just got to get the EPG stuff setup.

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wagnerrp:

NeoMatrixJR: there are zoom modes to correct for that

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NeoMatrixJR:

yep...figured that out later

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NeoMatrixJR:

now I've got to correct so it doesn't keep locking up on me.

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NeoMatrixJR:

:(

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Dagmar:

I think you've mentioned this before, and I asked "are you using an nVidia card?"

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Dagmar:

It's locking up in the EPG when you have the little preview window running, right?

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iamlindoro:

live tv is for suckas anyway

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my use of livetv is basically limited to making sure the tuners are working

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NeoMatrixJR:

it's locking up when I change channels

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NeoMatrixJR:

I think I just have the timing off...

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NeoMatrixJR:

it's sleep time anyways...more fun after work tomorrow!

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NeoMatrixJR:

Thanks for all the help from everyone!

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andyman53:

Hey

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andyman53:

i installed mythtv on fc6

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andyman53:

i just upgraded to fc9

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andyman53:

and tried to ugprade mythtv with yum

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andyman53:

but it won't replace the old version

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andyman53:

and i cant yum upgrade or yum reinstall

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Dagmar:

...and what is it telling you about WHY it won't do this?

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andyman53:

package not found

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andyman53:

or "nothing to do"

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andyman53:

it shows the fc6 version installed and the fc9 version as an available package...

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Dagmar:

So sounds like you're still pointing some stuff at the FC6 repo or something like that

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andyman53:

how can i check?

[04:34:36]

andyman53:

well alright apparently yum list mythtv shows the .fc9 installed now

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andyman53:

if i do a service mythbackend status i get:

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andyman53:

"mythbackend dead but pid file exists"

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weevilofdoom:

anybody here to help?

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kdubya:

you dont ask that, you just ask

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kdubya:

and im not here by the way

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weevilofdoom:

having weird issues that i can't really comprehend as i'm new to this

[04:52:23]

weevilofdoom:

audio seems like 2–5 seconds faster than video when watching live tv

[04:52:28]

weevilofdoom:

but xawtv works perfectly

[04:52:40]

weevilofdoom:

looked at some issues similar, but none of that solved the problem

[04:53:09]

weevilofdoom:

not using tv-out (yet), p4 3.0ghz, 512mb mem, bt878 (older) hauppauge

[04:53:29]

weevilofdoom:

also, when enabling the snd_bt87x module, i still can't hear through speakers without tying line out to line in

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weevilofdoom:

tried both mythDora and Mythbuntu – same issue on both

[05:00:29]

tank-man:

is it recording the audio?

[05:00:44]

tank-man:

can the audio sync be affected thru the menu?

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weevilofdoom:

i have no idea, i haven't told it to record anything

[05:00:58]

weevilofdoom:

just attempting to watch tv atm

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tank-man:

live tv is recorded tv with like 1 sec delay

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tank-man:

press pause, is the audio still going?

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weevilofdoom:

and no audio settings seem to affect that as far as i've played with, is there a specific option i should be looking at?

[05:01:52]

weevilofdoom:

yes..

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tank-man:

sounds like you are not recording the audio

[05:02:01]

weevilofdoom:

i can exit mythtv frontend and still have it play

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tank-man:

i dont have a framegrabber like yours so i dont know exactly what you have to do

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weevilofdoom:

hm

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Dagmar:

Like it says on the wiki you need to MUTE the input you're using to patch the audio-in from the tuner card.

[05:08:38]

Dagmar:

...and you need to tell Myth to record from that input.

[05:10:24]

weevilofdoom:

i changed nothing and audio/video is now in sync??

[05:10:26]

weevilofdoom:

wtf

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andyman53:

how do you fix the yum "conflicts with package" messages?

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weevilofdoom:

and i've done that :P

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andyman53:

i want to overwrite old packages

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weevilofdoom:

now just getting high pitch squeal along with audio

[05:14:33]

Dagmar:

andyman53: You fix the things it's complaining about generlaly.

[05:15:17]

Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: Starting to see why everyone here says "for the love of god, buy a hauppauge card" yet? ;)

[05:15:26]

weevilofdoom:

it is a hauppauge card

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Dagmar:

It's pretty finicky getting audio routing correctly

[05:15:37]

Dagmar:

I'm talking about hardware-accellerated cards.

[05:15:44]

Dagmar:

As in "framegrabbers kill kittens"

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weevilofdoom:

yeah, i know, but technically it is hauppauge :P

[05:16:03]

rimbob:

this whole thing about the olympics and netcasting and restricting to one country is.. stupid

[05:16:14]

weevilofdoom:

any ideas for getting rid of the squeal?

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Dagmar:

Eliminate the feedback loop causing it

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Dagmar:

You want only the line-input selected as recording source.

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rimbob:

each country already has a webcast, why not just open them up

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Dagmar:

...and you want it muted for playback.

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Dagmar:

rimbob: It's becuase China are fuckers

[05:17:00]

rimbob:

yes

[05:17:11]

rimbob:

i'm considering restreaming it

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rimbob:

without restrictions

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Dagmar:

The current stance I'm hearing they're taking is that if you even take PICTURES there, they claim they own the rights to them.

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tank-man:

isnt it that way with every olympics? not just this year?

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Dagmar:

tank-man: not to this degree.

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Dagmar:

They've got a bit to learn about intellectual property rights over there

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rimbob:

i'm watching the baseball and you can SEE the smog on the field

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Dagmar:

It's not smog. It's "flavor booster"

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weevilofdoom:

so capture on tuner 100% but muted, and line-in on sound card 100% not muted?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Myth needs to record.

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Dagmar:

go into alsamixer.

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weevilofdoom:

ya

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Dagmar:

You'll note that if you select recording sources, you have a whole different set of sliders

[05:20:22]

Dagmar:

under playback sources, you want to mute that input.

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weevilofdoom:

i don't see anything labelled 'recording sources'

[05:20:46]

Dagmar:

Under recording sources, you want to have it selected so "CAPTUR" shows under it, although I think Myth has another thing to prod to tell it which input to record from

[05:21:01]

weevilofdoom:

i only have console version of alsamixer

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Dagmar:

weevil: hit the help for alsamixer. Up near the top you will see [Playback] Recording and so on

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weevilofdoom:

playback capture all

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Dagmar:

There's a key you push that flips between those

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weevilofdoom:

tab

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Dagmar:

BTW there's nothing _but_ a console version of alsamixer. no worries

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rimbob:

Dagmar: i get invalid file descriptor

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Dagmar:

from?

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rimbob:

Dagmar: mythtv

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Dagmar:

when?

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rimbob:

when i start to watch TV

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Dagmar:

Well buy it a wheelchair or be more specific about where you're seeing this message

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rimbob:

http://pastebin.ca/1168962

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rimbob:

all the mpg's are 0 size

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weevilofdoom:

gnome-alsamixer from synaptic..

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Dagmar:

weevil: I shouldn't reallt have to say this but "gnome-alsamixer" != "alsamixer"

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weevilofdoom:

i .. have no idea what i'm supposed to change, heh

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Dagmar:

rimbob: Okay, that's officially pretty bizarre.

[05:26:31]

rimbob:

:(

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weevilofdoom:

changing settings for both my soundcard AND my capture card?

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Dagmar:

rimbob: Have you done the cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg test to make *certain* your card is working right?

[05:27:43]

Dagmar:

It may well be that it's not spewing any data to record

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Dagmar:

I'm assuming you're not using a framegrabber

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rimbob:

yes

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rimbob:

it works

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rimbob:

no, it's hauppauge

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rimbob:

i can do totem /dev/video0 and it shows the white noise

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Dagmar:

Damn. I'm really at a loss then.

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Dagmar:

The zero byte files would indicate something's pretty broken, but I don't know what it could be

[05:28:51]

Dagmar:

I've never seen this happen before.

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rimbob:

is there a way to downgrade the mythtv DB schema

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

Are you using 0.21-fixes?

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tank-man:

restore from backup obviously

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tank-man:

heh

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rimbob:

oh well, fresh install

[05:30:18]

** rimbob purges **

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rimbob:

:P

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Dagmar:

Like, if you were doing this to an NFS filesystem I could imagine a few failure issues, but for a local filesystem I jsut don't know

[05:31:31]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

Look at line 11 on your pastebin

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rimbob:

the filetransfer?

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rimbob:

what's the -1 ?

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Dagmar:

I don't know, but that it's not showing a complete filename suggests to me that possibly it's trying to write to /1002_20080813054255.mpg

[05:32:47]

Dagmar:

MAYBE.

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rimbob:

god damn you, 0.22

[05:33:18]

Dagmar:

Oh dude yeah don't use trunk

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Dagmar:

Juuust don't.

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rimbob:

:/

[05:33:37]

rimbob:

what's a normal paste like that look like?

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Dagmar:

There's nothing but pain to be had there unless you're really into C++ coding

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rimbob:

yeah i don't speak C++

[05:33:48]

rimbob:

only C

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Dagmar:

0.21-fixes has yet to misbehave for me

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rimbob:

so mythtv is confusing for me to look at

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rimbob:

where do i get this

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Dagmar:

svn.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

It'll bounce you to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and right there on the screen is a line you can cut and paste to grab 0.21-fixes.

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rimbob:

okey dokie.

[05:34:59]

rimbob:

ah yes

[05:35:03]

rimbob:

i was going to try that next

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Dagmar:

The problem isn't so much that the debug output is in C++ (because it's not)

[05:35:49]

Dagmar:

The output is just "whatever the dev thought might be important to emit at that point in the code"

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rimbob:

oh

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rimbob:

i know that

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rimbob:

i'm not stupid ;p> i meant the code.

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Dagmar:

They're pretty good about showing you the _whole_ filename everywhere else, so that might very well be misbehaving like I was surmising

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weevilofdoom:

hearing 2 audio streams is the problem – but for some reason i can't access my capture card's audio settings...

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Dagmar:

cuz ALSA is VERY fun like that

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weevilofdoom:

alsamixer -c 1-x (cuz 0 is the sound card itself)

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Dagmar:

Don't try to use ALSA on your tuner

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Dagmar:

You don't need it and it'll just complicate things.

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Dagmar:

Hell, blacklist whatever ALSA module is jumping in there if you have to

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Dagmar:

The only thing you want to capture sound with is your _sound_ card.

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weevilofdoom:

so i should switch it to /dev/dsp ?

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Dagmar:

ALSA:default

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weevilofdoom:

that'

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weevilofdoom:

s what it is

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Dagmar:

The /dev/dsp would be the OSS code, which is another thing to avoid

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weevilofdoom:

i know i need to mute one of the streams, but i can't access one to mute :P

[05:39:37]

Dagmar:

I had a problem awhile back with an ALSA module to handle the DMA transfer sound some Bt878a cards are capable of coming up and completely screwing up my sound device order

[05:39:40]

Dagmar:

By

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Dagmar:

by 'awhile back' I mean like 6 years ago

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Dagmar:

Hearing two sound streams is good tho

[05:40:17]

Dagmar:

It's better than you had before.

[05:40:25]

Dagmar:

Well, so long as they're the same thing.

[05:40:34]

Dagmar:

hearing two means Myth is actually recording from the right place now

[05:41:03]

Dagmar:

Now you just have to mute the line-input you're using on your sound card

[05:41:20]

Dagmar:

...becuase you DON'T want it doing what line-in usually does, which is to just relay the sound right on out to the speakers

[05:41:58]

Dagmar:

Very very few sound chipset don't handle bidirectional sound

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Dagmar:

...so it's unlikely you ahve one of those

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weevilofdoom:

i'm using onboard sound :P

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Dagmar:

so long as your motherboard isn't some noname piece of crap you should be fine

[05:42:29]

weevilofdoom:

eh, it's a foxconn somethin or other

[05:42:41]

Dagmar:

Hmm..t hat's pretty borderline but it should still work okay

[05:42:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive always seen programs saying they required duplex audio for voice chat

[05:42:58]

wagnerrp:

and wondered what sort of POS doesnt have duplex support

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: yeah because back in 2000 several vendors got the idea they could save money by not including that facility in onboard sound chipsets, which caused a lot of gamers to turn right around and start screaming at their technical support people

[05:44:14]

wagnerrp:

sounds about when i started to use a headset for games

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Dagmar:

Now no one dares to try that

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wagnerrp:

although ive almost always had discrete audio

[05:44:56]

Dagmar:

...so basically, pretty much everything you could buy should be able to deal.

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weevilofdoom:

down to one audio stream, and it's sync'd with video ... but still high pitch whine

[05:45:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I've got spare SBLive Value cards around here just in case

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Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: Okay, so high pitched whine...

[05:45:39]

Dagmar:

I don't know how musically inclined you are, so I can't exactly ask how high but....

[05:45:54]

wagnerrp:

hold on...

[05:46:01]

Dagmar:

The most likely culprit I know of is bad sample rate translations

[05:46:12]

weevilofdoom:

where's that changed?

[05:46:23]

Dagmar:

Not all cards will do 48Khz output or 44.1Khz output or vice-versa

[05:46:36]

Dagmar:

They'll tell ALSA they do, and then internally resample the sound

[05:46:42]

Dagmar:

...and they don't always do that right.

[05:46:48]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp probably has a link he's looking for

[05:47:04]

Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: The usual answer... "Somewhere in the frontend setup menus"

[05:47:11]

weevilofdoom:

well yes :P

[05:47:23]

wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/audiocheck.net_frequencycheckhigh.wav

[05:47:44]

Dagmar:

If your card is messing that up you'll probably want to change the sample rate used for recording in mythtv-setup under the properties for your capture card

[05:47:45]

wagnerrp:

its a scan from 22kHz to 12kHz

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Dagmar:

Find out which rate your card prefers and then set everything everywhere to that

[05:48:43]

Dagmar:

Some people try to set their sample rates to 22Khz to save space, but the reality is that the sound being recorded is a pretty seriously insignificant amount of the total file output

[05:49:04]

Dagmar:

Like, out of the whole 2.2Gb per hour thing maybe 10–15Mb of it might be sound

[05:49:43]

wagnerrp:

are there frequency filters that automatically get run when you drop to 22kHz?

[05:49:49]

weevilofdoom:

so now that audio/video is in sync, it's pretty much just sound rate at this point?

[05:49:55]

Dagmar:

There damn well should be comb filters

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wagnerrp:

because if not, youre going to have some funky aliasing effects

[05:50:05]

Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: yep

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Dagmar:

Bad sampling converters are usually what's behind weird squeaking sounds

[05:50:39]

Dagmar:

...particularly when they're continuous tones

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weevilofdoom:

oh yeah, high pitch whine that was continuous

[05:51:09]

wagnerrp:

what frequency?

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weevilofdoom:

ear piercing like fingernails on a chalkboard :P

[05:51:21]

weevilofdoom:

whatever it selected by default, i never specified one

[05:51:22]

Dagmar:

So definitely 22Khzish then

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weevilofdoom:

trying that now

[05:51:38]

wagnerrp:

most likely not 22kHz-ish

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Dagmar:

Sounds like 44/48 breakage to me

[05:51:48]

wagnerrp:

i cant hear past 18

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weevilofdoom:

trying 44100 now..

[05:52:08]

Dagmar:

Did you have it set to record at 48Khz before?

[05:52:15]

weevilofdoom:

i have no idea

[05:52:21]

weevilofdoom:

whatever 'default' is

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Dagmar:

hehe

[05:52:32]

Dagmar:

Default is set in mythtv-setup

[05:52:47]

Dagmar:

You can override it with recording profiles which can be set int he frontend setup

[05:53:11]

Dagmar:

BTW, don't feel bad if you have to set some of the volume sliders to 90–95% instead of 100%.

[05:53:31]

Dagmar:

Some cheap-ass cards have a very fuzzy idea of what line input is supposed to be, which means they'll go over the 1V they're allowed

[05:53:38]

Dagmar:

...which will cause clipping when things get loud.

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Dagmar:

Clipping you will learn to recognize immediately once you've heard it

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wagnerrp:

open up your media player with equalizer of choice, and crank up the preamp

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weevilofdoom:

don't think i've ran into that yet

[05:54:31]

Dagmar:

it'll make everything sound like heavy metal.

[05:54:31]

Dagmar:

;)

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wagnerrp:

or even the guy driving down the street with his stock radio blaring

[05:55:41]

Dagmar:

I used to catch a lot of flak from a friend of mine who's a studio technician about some of this shit

[05:56:00]

Dagmar:

'cuz he didn't think I actually knew what a lot of this stuff was, since so many other people in his RIM dept were clueless.

[05:56:43]

Dagmar:

Then he finally learned about what sound generation on the Commodore 64 entailed.

[05:58:06]

weevilofdoom:

where are these recording profiles? in the capture card properties, setting 32000, 44100, or 48000 all still squealed

[05:58:35]

Dagmar:

Recording profiles are defined in the frontend setup menus under recording properties or something (I think)

[05:59:04]

weevilofdoom:

oh, i see them ... only can select those same 3 options though

[05:59:18]

Dagmar:

There's a large extent to which you're just going to get used to treating those frontend menus like an Ikea store.

[05:59:31]

Dagmar:

You just wander through them one at a time until you find what you're looking for.

[06:00:00]

Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: So pick one and make sure your _playback_ stuff is set to the same rate

[06:02:17]

weevilofdoom:

see no rate in playback setup, just which recording profile to use

[06:02:35]

Dagmar:

Or... just take one of those mpeg files and punt it over to a box you know plays mpg correctly.

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weevilofdoom:

ohhh man fixed

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weevilofdoom:

thank you!

[06:04:12]

Dagmar:

No problem

[06:04:35]

weevilofdoom:

you sirs are mythtv gods

[06:04:36]

Dagmar:

You wouldn't believe the number of people that come in here who refuse to do any looking at anything or try anything

[06:05:03]

weevilofdoom:

well, i may be a noob, but i don't mind digging as long as i have a little direction (or at least a cause for problem)

[06:05:13]

Dagmar:

...and if you suggest to them that perhaps their equipment is not perfect they go "OMG ELITEIST JERKS U SUK MY COMPUTAR IS PERFECT"

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weevilofdoom:

fff, i know mine isn't perfect... parts that were sitting in my closet :P

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weevilofdoom:

i don't dare use my qx9650 for mythtv ...

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Dagmar:

We <3 reasonable people who don't make us think "Well, I can't click the mouse for him"

[06:06:28]

Dagmar:

You hang around here for just 24 hours and you'll see at least one person like this.

[06:06:31]

weevilofdoom:

now i just gotta figure out why it's not getting listings – they all say "unknown" but i do have schedules direct 7 day demo (will buy after i'm satisfied)

[06:06:52]

weevilofdoom:

$20/year is nothing really :P

[06:06:55]

Dagmar:

okay, did you run mythfilldatabase in the way it says in the installation doc?

[06:07:05]

Dagmar:

Cuz that bit is finicky

[06:07:18]

weevilofdoom:

i'm using mythbuntu... it "automagically" did it

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Dagmar:

Ah, so thta means "it didn't" heh

[06:08:03]

weevilofdoom:

worked with MythDora... but i was having well more issues with that one than mythbuntu

[06:08:19]

Dagmar:

Okay, so generally the order things happen is that someone will run mythtv-setup, and they'll create the tuner entities, and then they'll create a listings source entitty, and then they'll tell it "get channel linups from listing source"

[06:08:34]

Dagmar:

...and then on the next page they'll link the channel source to the tuner

[06:08:41]

weevilofdoom:

hms

[06:09:07]

Dagmar:

So like, if you've got "regular cable" this is pretty much the way you get Myth to know which channels exist for you and which don't without having to do a lick of scanning.

[06:09:12]

Dagmar:

Once they've done that step...

[06:09:16]

Dagmar:

(looking something up)

[06:10:01]

Dagmar:

Wow I can see that tomorrow I'm goign to be rewrting BIG ASS chunks of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation

[06:10:41]

Dagmar:

What I can do with C++ you don't want to run on any equipment you'd like to not say, catch fire, but I can write technical documentation all day long.

[06:11:17]

weevilofdoom:

and i'm a software engineer that writes c++ in his sleep :P

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Dagmar:

OKay, from http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall which is old but mainly still at least has things in the right order...

[06:12:08]

Dagmar:

Specifically http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

[06:12:38]

Dagmar:

You want to just run mythfilldatabase from a command line prompt.

[06:12:46]

weevilofdoom:

no switches?

[06:13:03]

Dagmar:

Damnit they've changed this. I guess it's good that it's been updated a bit, but now I can't remember if you had to have the backend up or down at the time you run mythfilledatabase

[06:13:38]

Dagmar:

I *think* up.

[06:13:44]

Dagmar:

Not that I can remember.

[06:13:56]

tank-man:

i believe the backend can be down, it will update when its run

[06:14:00]

Dagmar:

You could add --refresh-all without breaking anything, but just run it without and see what happens.

[06:14:03]

weevilofdoom:

well, it says the backend can run it for you

[06:14:06]

Dagmar:

MySQL definitely has to be up. That much I can be sure.

[06:14:11]

Dagmar:

It only runs it to _refresh_ the listings.

[06:14:56]

Dagmar:

You still have to run mythfilldatabase once yourself by hand

[06:14:57]

weevilofdoom:

some say 401 unauthorized

[06:15:01]

weevilofdoom:

some say 200 ok

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Dagmar:

That's normal actually.

[06:15:10]

weevilofdoom:

ok

[06:15:13]

Dagmar:

Well, it's considered normal by the devs.

[06:15:20]

weevilofdoom:

fine by me

[06:15:54]

weevilofdoom:

i definitely have a lineup selected in my schedules direct, so it's not an issue on that front

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think it's a clear sign something is fucking up, BUT... the subsequent query after it is always a 200 so apparently something is turning back around and saying "oh wait, here's that login and password

[06:17:18]

weevilofdoom:

well, it's definitely doing something

[06:17:26]

Dagmar:

I've been not particularly inspired to go try and fix something that's working and no one else considers broken enough

[06:18:16]

Dagmar:

ONE of the coders who hangs out in here told me it was wget's fault, but I'm figuring they just need to add an argument or two

[06:18:19]

clever:

must resist urge to fix things that arent broken

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weevilofdoom:

hrm, still all says "unknown"

[06:18:30]

Dagmar:

I've not used wget for this in a few years but I never had it do the stuff it does for myth

[06:18:33]

weevilofdoom:

last line of mythfilldatabase

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Dagmar:

can you pastebin some of that output?

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weevilofdoom:

ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid=7250, errno = 32

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weevilofdoom:

http://pastebin.com/m1e04d4fa

[06:21:30]

weevilofdoom:

brb, smoke

[06:21:33]

weevilofdoom:

again, thanks for the help

[06:21:52]

Dagmar:

OH!

[06:22:13]

Dagmar:

This may sound stupid, but you did actually log into SD and tell it about your lineup?

[06:22:32]

Dagmar:

(waiting. No problem)

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weevilofdoom:

i'm on the website right now... i've added the comcast lineup to my profile

[06:22:58]

weevilofdoom:

(previously when i first signed up)

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Dagmar:

It's going to be either that or you need to go look in mythtv-setup where you tell it about the listings source, and click on the button on the lowerish right that makes it go talk to SD

[06:23:19]

Dagmar:

It should change something on the screen to show your zip code and your cable provider.

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weevilofdoom:

that sits there for like 2 seconds, and returns – no result change

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Dagmar:

Okay, that has to have broken then

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rimbob:

Dagmar: they should be using curl instead of wget

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Dagmar:

Cuz here it shows "Comcast cable [some number]"

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Dagmar:

rimbob: honestly in practice it does not matter which one you use.

[06:24:03]

Dagmar:

They both do the same thing very religiously.

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rimbob:

curl is prettier ;p

[06:24:30]

Dagmar:

Curl lets you access it as a shared lib, but passing a URL and some credentials are so trivial you can do it with a shell script

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Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: Make sure your password and stuff on that screen are correct

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Dagmar:

weevil: ...and *maybe* watch stdout/stderr of mythtv-setup when that bit happens. It *might* be silently choking an error out behind the graphics

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weevilofdoom:

ya, triple checked ... but it happened to "work" when i clicked on retrieve that time

[06:25:37]

weevilofdoom:

maybe box had trouble connecting to SD

[06:25:41]

Dagmar:

Possibly so

[06:25:51]

weevilofdoom:

now doing a mythfill again

[06:25:57]

Dagmar:

Anyway, when you run mythfilldatabase now, you shouldn't see a big pile of "Found 0"

[06:26:17]

Dagmar:

You MAY have to tell it --refresh-all now, but we'll see. You should at least see something different from last time.

[06:26:21]

weevilofdoom:

ya, output seems different

[06:26:33]

weevilofdoom:

ok! must smoke :P

[06:26:35]

weevilofdoom:

grrr

[06:26:41]

weevilofdoom:

nic fiend is me

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Dagmar:

I am hesitant to suggest even trying --refresh-all at the outset, because there's a possibility that it will simply ahem not be able to refresh content it never got before.

[06:27:00]

weevilofdoom:

yeah, i'll just try and see if listings work first

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

[06:30:41]

Dagmar:

Something from earlier just occurred to me

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Dagmar:

I hope the person happy their 8-core machine could compile myth in under 2 minutes isn't the same guy with the zero byte recordings 'cuz I would be blaming the horribly misshapen binary

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i compile with -j 8 alot, im just using distcc across many systems

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt 8 minutes for mythtv, it was 8 minutes for the 'mythtv' folder, with all the other shit already compiled

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clever:

and it isnt 2min compiles

[06:32:07]

wagnerrp:

err... 2 minutes

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Dagmar:

clever: -j8 or not, you know it shoudln't get done in two minutes

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Dagmar:

Like, that would be a warning sign to me

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i can bearly get the svnversion to finish that fast

[06:32:54]

clever:

and that runs in every pass, even if nothing has changed

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Dagmar:

It's not disk speed slowing down my compile either

[06:33:18]

clever:

im running the whole thing over nfs

[06:33:20]

Dagmar:

The machine has so much goddamn RAM the whole build is operating out of filesystem cache most of the time

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clever:

thru 100mbit

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clever:

lol nice

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clever:

27 seconds to 'make' nothing

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Dagmar:

It doesn't take much to do that

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clever:

13 seconds to do it again

[06:34:23]

Dagmar:

Since the build engine starts by untarring the source, it's going to be freshly in cache, and there's nothing but a text console running when I recompile

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clever:

the svnversion seemsalot faster then normal

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clever:

i havent untarred mythtv in ages

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clever:

its allways svn update,configure,make

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weevilofdoom:

cool seems to work

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clever:

though i only have 250mb of ram and the build dir is 484mb

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clever:

no way i can cache it all

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rimbob:

Dagmar: -fixes works :)

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Dagmar:

rimbob: Coool.

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Dagmar:

Trunk gets broken a lot, but it's trunk so it's expected.

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** rimbob nods **

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clever:

my trunk is working pretty good today

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rimbob:

tbh i pulled the wrong thing

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Dagmar:

To put it another way... perl -e 'if(MESHUGGAH){print "hi\n";};print "\n";'

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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weevilofdoom:

so the only way to watch live tv and record another show at same time is to have 2 tuners, correct?

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clever:

weevilofdoom: yep

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weevilofdoom:

kk

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rimbob:

or something to do with DVB multiplex

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clever:

and my 2nd tuner sucks a shitload of cpu and the drivers conflict with the 1st tuner

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weevilofdoom:

well, all seems to work just fine now

[06:38:56]

weevilofdoom:

ya, not going to bother with that crap just yet... gonna get a decent tuner first :P

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clever:

rimbob: yeah that can 'record' many from a single freq

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clever:

but your still limited to tuning into 1 freq

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weevilofdoom:

ooold bt878 hauppauge 'framegrabber'

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clever:

weevilofdoom: yep i got a framegrabber, but it wont run at the same time as my good card

[06:40:01]

clever:

which leaves me stuck using only 1 at a time

[06:40:06]

clever:

its clear which one i should use:P

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weevilofdoom:

it was free so i could play around... already pretty dissatisfied with it :P

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clever:

i also got the framegrabber for free from my uncle:P

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clever:

had it for years before i even found out how crapy it was!

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weevilofdoom:

manufacture date on this one says 1998, haha

[06:43:07]

clever:

this is a 'video highway extreme' card

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clever:

the drivers cd is win98 only:P

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't say they're "crappy"

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Dagmar:

"Obsolete" definitely.

[06:43:54]

clever:

yeah

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weevilofdoom:

ah well crap, i totally appreciate the help guys – i had been ripping my hair out reading faqs and threads for a while without much success

[06:44:00]

Dagmar:

"Simply not designed with recording in mind" would be another

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clever:

only usefull for LIVE tv watching(piping vid directly into video board)

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Dagmar:

weevilofdoom: There's LOTS of common little pitfalls people hit on their first install

[06:44:32]

clever:

i started with 0.18

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weevilofdoom:

well, next i'm going to see how a scheduled recording works

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clever:

and i didnt restart mythbackend when changing the oss device for sound capture

[06:44:45]

weevilofdoom:

while i sleep :P

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clever:

so i 'fixed' it by renaming the devices nodes:P

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weevilofdoom:

do i have to have it in 'watch tv' mode for that to work?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

[06:45:14]

Dagmar:

Basically, the backend operates on it's own, independent of the frontend.

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weevilofdoom:

eeeeeeeeexcellent – really like a tivo

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clever:

the old 0.18 mythtv-setup didnt warn me to restart the backend:P

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Dagmar:

When you're actually WATCHING something, the frontend is making the backend feed it video, but other than that, the backend doesn't need the frontend at all

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Dagmar:

If you happen to be using LiveTV on the one tuner you have when a scheduled recording comes up, provided you didn't disable it, the frontend SHOULD say something to you about needing you to let go of the tuner in a minute or two

[06:46:30]

weevilofdoom:

with only 1 tuner, multiple frontends will have to watch what the 'selecting' front end watches?

[06:46:45]

Dagmar:

Multiple frontends can watch whatever the hell they like.

[06:46:54]

weevilofdoom:

even on 1 tuner?

[06:47:01]

clever:

they can also watch past recordings

[06:47:19]

Dagmar:

You can both watch the recording in progress, but for obvious reasons you can't have them both attempting to use LiveTV on different channels with only one tuner

[06:47:47]

Dagmar:

This is an example of how the backend does not need a frontend.

[06:47:50]

weevilofdoom:

ooo yeah, guess i should have specified

[06:47:53]

Dagmar:

It just sits there and records what it's supposed to.

[06:48:08]

Dagmar:

...which is an entirely different function from when it's serving a frontend video.

[06:48:44]

Dagmar:

Think of it as if it were just a headless daemon like named or apache.

[06:48:52]

weevilofdoom:

ya

[06:49:16]

weevilofdoom:

use it for emulators?

[06:49:22]

Dagmar:

It *also* has the ability to play video to the frontends, but basically, liveTV is still merely the frontend telling it to immediately start a recording with the LiveTV category on a given channel

[06:49:47]

Dagmar:

To the backend, you watching TV live is no different than if you had scheduled it to record that and your frontend was *off*

[06:49:59]

Dagmar:

emulators?

[06:50:07]

Dagmar:

You dont' want to try to play a video game through MythTV, ever. Hehe

[06:50:20]

weevilofdoom:

ahh .. just read that you can ..

[06:50:28]

Dagmar:

Oh the MythGame plugin

[06:50:30]

Dagmar:

I suppose it works.

[06:50:34]

Dagmar:

I know I'm not bothering with it.

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weevilofdoom:

the only reason i would is for parties where a lot of games on a big tv ..

[06:51:08]

weevilofdoom:

but meh, not like that is often

[06:51:38]

Dagmar:

What kind of games?

[06:51:53]

weevilofdoom:

snes/nes/mame/gba

[06:51:53]

Dagmar:

I guess Mario Party would be tolerable going *through* the box, but you still wouldn't want to do that

[06:51:56]

Dagmar:

Guitar Hero would be right out

[06:52:03]

Dagmar:

Ah, yeah those

[06:52:07]

weevilofdoom:

got guitar hero for the wii

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Dagmar:

Recording, which is what myth always does, basically puts about 1–2 seconds of *LAG* into the video input

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weevilofdoom:

even on games?

[06:52:51]

Dagmar:

So unless you want to make a complete ass of yourself, don't even try to play Guitar Hero *through* the myth box

[06:53:03]

Dagmar:

It's not recording any of the mame stuff you're playing *on* the machine

[06:53:35]

Dagmar:

No problems there except the obvious copyright ones

[06:53:43]

weevilofdoom:

well .. yeah :P

[06:53:51]

Dagmar:

The only thing Id' play on mine anyway would be FFTA

[06:54:08]

Dagmar:

...and without multiplayer, I might as well just play it on the PSP.

[06:54:22]

Dagmar:

I just *finally* completed FFTA2 on the DS.

[06:54:42]

Dagmar:

Now I'm hoping the one coworker I have with it will come to play against my team, and it'll be close to a fair fight.

[06:55:07]

Dagmar:

I like these games, but man... player matching is a bitch.

[06:55:23]

weevilofdoom:

ha yeah

[06:55:29]

Dagmar:

I played one multiplayer match against someone on the GBA and I crushed them

[06:55:38]

Dagmar:

Like, so bad I felt like an ass

[06:55:49]

weevilofdoom:

i need to find my other audio cables ... right now borrowing cable from other speakers

[06:55:56]

weevilofdoom:

for audio pass through cable

[06:55:57]

Dagmar:

One of my little guys had dual wield and a skill that ensures when he's hit, he hits back harder

[06:56:17]

Dagmar:

So like, this kids _best_ character goes up and hits him, and he turns around and smashes his little guy to bits.

[06:56:34]

weevilofdoom:

i haven't played tactics since the first one on playstation

[06:56:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah basically they remade it (with fewer bugs) for the PSP

[06:56:52]

weevilofdoom:

great game though

[06:56:55]

Dagmar:

Oh yes

[06:57:10]

Dagmar:

I just really wish this remote play thing would let me play the PSP stuff on the TV.

[06:57:21]

Dagmar:

That would rule

[06:57:37]

weevilofdoom:

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fi . . . mp;sku=40600

[06:57:43]

weevilofdoom:

i think that's the kind of cable i'm looking for

[06:57:44]

Dagmar:

Or maybe they'll be really, really cool and give us a multiplayer TA on the PS3.

[06:58:09]

Dagmar:

weevil: Looks like a perfectly normal 1/8" stereo cable to me

[06:58:37]

weevilofdoom:

that would go from line out on tuner to line in on sound card just fine, yes?

[06:58:38]

wagnerrp:

multiplier TA?

[06:58:47]

Dagmar:

I figured it should be a little cheaper, but god only knows what BestBuy would want for it

[06:58:57]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Tactics game

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weevilofdoom:

oh, i haven't gone 'cheaper' shopping yet

[06:59:11]

weevilofdoom:

i have the cables somewhere, but in case i can't find them :P

[06:59:12]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: it's like chess, but the pieces are much cooler.

[06:59:12]

wagnerrp:

oh, misread. multiplayer

[06:59:29]

Dagmar:

Or like I tell the chess guys, "your pieces don't scream when they burst into flames"

[07:00:15]

weevilofdoom:

mmph, recorded files seem a little large

[07:00:20]

weevilofdoom:

oh well, i'll sort that out tomorrows

[07:00:23]

weevilofdoom:

i gotta bed, work at 7am

[07:00:39]

weevilofdoom:

thanks again for all the help!

[07:01:22]

weevilofdoom:

goodnight

[07:01:32]

** weevilofdoom is gone.. sleepy sleep (+lp) **

[07:02:23]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: you gotta see this bit of video of a friend of mine http://sexiestgeeksalive.com/money-for-me-dat . . . cy-whatever/

[07:02:40]

Dagmar:

He's a bit drunk, but that's when he's at his best. That's at Defcon in Vegas

[07:02:53]

Dagmar:

Oh...

[07:03:05]

Dagmar:

Um... the rest of the site is really NSFW, just in case anyone's looking at it

[07:03:41]

Dagmar:

I totally didn't realize that was one of Cyan's sites until I looked at the bottom. Hehe

[07:03:50]

wagnerrp:

is he suggesting we throw money at the problem?

[07:04:15]

Dagmar:

No, he's saying because of the nature of people's hardware purchasing decisions, which is epeen measurement, THAT's the reason we have no privacy

[07:04:25]

wagnerrp:

thinking machines need to make a comeback

[07:04:42]

wagnerrp:

multiple computer banks full of pointless blinking lights

[07:04:53]

Dagmar:

Oh we have those

[07:05:00]

Dagmar:

We've got racks and racks of them at my office

[07:05:18]

wagnerrp:

i doubt that, considering theyre 15yrs old

[07:05:32]

Dagmar:

Like, why does a disk cluster with a TFT display in it that is the size of a whole rack need activity lights on each and every drive container?

[07:05:34]

Dagmar:

To look pretty.

[07:05:48]

wagnerrp:

i mean the old Connection Machines

[07:05:53]

wagnerrp:

they were designed to be pretty

[07:05:58]

Dagmar:

Oh...

[07:06:15]

Dagmar:

That's because if you built one, the moment you showed it to anyone in Massachusetts, you'd be sent to Gitmo

[07:06:17]

Dagmar:

:)

[07:06:38]

Dagmar:

"OMG IT HAS BLINKING LIGHTS IT MUST BE A BOMB!"

[07:06:50]

wagnerrp:

perhaps, of course the moment you showed it to your programmers, they would stab you in the face

[07:07:14]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That would be a "why can we not program those lights!?!?"

[07:08:29]

Dagmar:

I'm just waiting for them to outlaw all sciences and make MIT move.

[07:08:48]

Dagmar:

At least they're not trying to call that poor Deeb guy a terrorist

[07:09:04]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre referring to the whole light-brite issue

[07:09:13]

Dagmar:

That's not the ONLY incident.

[07:09:17]

wagnerrp:

right

[07:10:02]

Dagmar:

They arrested at gunpoint a cute little girl from the MIT MAKE lab at the airport because she had a prototyping board with LEDs making a little star attached to the front of her hoodie.

[07:10:21]

Dagmar:

She made it past Xray and so forth with no problems, but at the terminal, they decided she might be an explosive.

[07:10:34]

wagnerrp:

i remember that

[07:10:53]

Dagmar:

...and just this past week they just did a warrant not made search and seizure of some retired chemists basement

[07:10:59]

Dagmar:

Like, no warrant, no nothing.

[07:11:05]

Dagmar:

He was fool enough to let them come in and do it.

[07:11:08]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know that was Mass.

[07:11:16]

wagnerrp:

read that earlier today

[07:11:19]

Dagmar:

So they spent three days emptying out all of his materials in the basement.

[07:11:40]

Dagmar:

He should sue the holy thundercrap out of them

[07:12:00]

Dagmar:

REGARDLESS of what screwed up reason they try to give after-the-fact, that's not the way search and seizure is supposed to work.

[07:12:36]

wagnerrp:

how did they know he had all sorts of chemicals anyway?

[07:12:52]

wagnerrp:

purchase receipts?

[07:12:59]

Dagmar:

The fire department had to come over about an unrelated and not particularly much of anything fire in the air conditioner on the second floor.

[07:13:14]

Dagmar:

They basically saw something they didn't understaand and freaked out, again.

[07:13:36]

Dagmar:

The dude should have said "No, I'm not letting you take my stuff, and if you feel very strongly about it, we should go talk to a judge together."

[07:13:57]

Dagmar:

I don't think he realized that if they take it, you ain't generally getting it back

[07:14:25]

Dagmar:

*Sometimes* people will get their stuff back, but once the cops have it, they've got no obligations to return it since it's "evidence"

[07:15:05]

Dagmar:

Rather often just getting a judge involved directly will keep things under control.

[07:15:10]

wagnerrp:

well even if you do get it back, it wont be for several months after any sort of hearings or trials are over

[07:15:25]

Dagmar:

They have to charge him with something to have a hearing.

[07:15:28]

Dagmar:

...which isn't happening.

[07:15:45]

Dagmar:

...becuase they have no grounds for anything so long as he was following reasonable disposal procedures.

[07:15:59]

Dagmar:

You simply _can't_ declare it illegal for people to perform science in their own damn basement.

[07:16:03]

Dagmar:

That's insane.

[07:16:29]

Dagmar:

"not a normal occupation" is not a useable standard by which to decide to do something.

[07:16:41]

Dagmar:

By that standard, I could be up to god only knows what with all these spare computer parts.

[07:16:52]

Dagmar:

Machines outnumber the humans here like 20 to 1

[07:17:34]

Dagmar:

next time they have a disposal/recycling day at the office, I'm going to have to fill my little car up and make trips

[07:17:52]

Dagmar:

Either that or start making endtables with the old cases.

[07:18:06]

wagnerrp:

well what about me, my occupation deals with heavy computation

[07:18:19]

Dagmar:

OMG you might solve pi and end reality

[07:18:22]

wagnerrp:

i very well expect to maintain a cluster at home when i have the funds to do so

[07:18:42]

wagnerrp:

im sure having a dozen or so high power machines cant look good

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Dagmar:

I'm trying to get some magic to happen so I can get a half rack in here.

[07:18:48]

Dagmar:

Not having a lot of luck so far

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: jsut tell them your'e cracking salts with them.

[07:19:07]

Dagmar:

;)

[07:19:29]

Dagmar:

They'll ask you "Is that safe?" and you say "Yes. Quite."

[07:19:48]

Dagmar:

Don't bother showing them a Fortran-77 book.

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wagnerrp:

fuck that, i want my programs to be able to dynamically allocate

[07:20:16]

wagnerrp:

f77 can burn in hell

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but the link to crystallography and "cracking" salts might eventually let someone figure out you were being a smart ass

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wagnerrp:

if they got that link, the would understand i could be doing something not nefarious with that hardware

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Dagmar:

"Are those your passwords?" and "Well, they are now." is not a direction you want the conversation to turn. ;)

[07:29:01]

wagnerrp:

ive never understood the prices for rack equipment

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Dagmar:

it's called "We know you're not spending your own money."

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Dagmar:

...and "for twice the reasonable price we'll promise your bosses that the equipment won't fail"

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wagnerrp:

someone is selling about $15K of used cisco equipment for $1100

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Dagmar:

They've burned all the value out of it

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Dagmar:

It's "accounted for" in the budgeting basically.

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wagnerrp:

here we go, an entire rack full of cable headend equipment for $75

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wagnerrp:

i assume the rack is included

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Dagmar:

Racks tend to go for about $300-$500 used

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Dagmar:

So... probably not.

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Dagmar:

They're also a RIGHT BITCH to move around so people tend to not sell them

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just a cantilever rack, for lightweight equipment

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Dagmar:

I've no idea where the ones we've been getting rid of have going. I'm just glad I've not been the guy to have to shove them ourside

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wagnerrp:

or, they could just be selling one of the parts on the rack

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Dagmar:

I don't like those little skeletal racks

[07:38:16]

wagnerrp:

they just dont seem worthwhile for most stuff i would want to use them for

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wagnerrp:

full height compaq rack, $75

[07:42:35]

wagnerrp:

or similar dell, $125

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wagnerrp:

heres one in your area, handful of cisco equipment, an equipment rack, and a full server rack. $200

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webvictim:

heh

[09:03:10]

justinh:

that boxee might be many things to many people but they know where it's at :P

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gbee:

wonder if an LG screen will accept an analogue singnal over DVI

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wagnerrp:

doubtful

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directhex:

most monitors don;t

[09:36:58]

justinh:

my 22" does

[09:37:17]

wagnerrp:

does it have an alternate analog input?

[09:37:28]

justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

neither of mine accept DVI-A

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gbee:

justinh: really? ok, that's good since mine is the same range, just the 19"

[09:37:49]

wagnerrp:

the other one is old a fuck, and has 5 BNC connectors

[09:38:25]

justinh:

might be why the model I bought is still more expensive than when I bought it last year

[09:38:49]

gbee:

I'm using the VGA for my laptop, I want to use the DVI for my desktop, but the DVI card is causing overheating so I've had to use an old GF2 instead which only has VGA

[09:39:20]

wagnerrp:

simple check, look at the plug on the monitor

[09:39:29]

wagnerrp:

the flat slot, does it have four pins around it?

[09:39:52]

wagnerrp:

if not, you cant even plug a DVI-A/I cable into it

[09:40:07]

wagnerrp:

if so, just try it

[09:40:28]

gbee:

nope

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wagnerrp:

well there's your answer

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gbee:

oh well, new computer it is then

[09:41:10]

wagnerrp:

an entirely new computer?

[09:41:21]

wagnerrp:

rather than a new card, or a KVM switch?

[09:41:53]

wagnerrp:

you can pick up a VGA switchbox for $10-$15

[09:42:00]

gbee:

neither is a worthwhile investment considering that the machine is old enough that it will need replacing soon anyway

[09:42:14]

gbee:

I've actually got a KVM in a drawer

[09:42:34]

gbee:

but I like my deskspace ;)

[09:42:43]

wagnerrp:

well a machine that can handle a GF2 is going to be several years old

[09:43:25]

wagnerrp:

my last AGP purchase was sometime back in 2004

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gbee:

think the mobo was bought around that time, yes

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gbee:

Abit KV8 Pro – Athlon 2800+

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wagnerrp:

KV8, isnt that a 64-bit board?

[09:45:17]

gbee:

aye

[09:45:31]

wagnerrp:

didnt know they made an A64 2800

[09:45:45]

directhex:

old semprons, iirc?

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gbee:

nope, full blooded Athlon

[09:46:04]

wagnerrp:

754?

[09:46:12]

wagnerrp:

or 1.8GHz 939?

[09:46:17]

directhex:

hm, yeah, clawhammer 2800+

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gbee:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+

[09:46:27]

directhex:

754

[09:46:31]

gbee:

aye

[09:46:50]

directhex:

not a launch day chip

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wagnerrp:

ah, that explains it. never really followed the 754s.

[09:47:08]

directhex:

april 2004

[09:47:16]

wagnerrp:

the drop back to single channel seemed too backwards to me

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gbee:

wish I hadn't, it's why I got stuck with the 2800, wasn't much of an upgrade path

[09:47:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 754 died off even faster than 939

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gbee:

but that was fine since I started using laptops more around that time so that machine became a headless backend after a couple of years

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justinh:

tempted to make my backend totally headless to save power

[09:49:35]

justinh:

but when it hasn't booted up it's nice to be able to see why

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justinh:

and clever, don't suggest serial debug

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wagnerrp:

'headless' vs. 'headed' shouldnt really make any difference

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wagnerrp:

i would assume you turn the monitor off when not in use

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justinh:

it's the only machine I have with active serial ports :P

[09:50:38]

justinh:

you mean the nvidia card won't sit there eating watts while not doing anything? lol

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justinh:

maybe turning the tuners back to on-demand usage would be good too

[09:51:16]

wagnerrp:

well i assumed it would have some cheap shit card not drawing much power

[09:51:22]

justinh:

fx5200

[09:52:05]

wagnerrp:

probably idles <15W

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justinh:

even so

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wagnerrp:

i imagine the machine is pulling 10x that

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

well over the course of a year, thats $10-$20 depending on electricity costs

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gbee:

huh, PC World have rebranded, when did that happen?

[09:53:51]

justinh:

at £0.10 per kWH.. ahem

[09:54:07]

wagnerrp:

so on the lower end of that, ~$13

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justinh:

gbee: no they haven't :P

[09:55:38]

gbee:

well new logo and ditty, plus some 'music' over their ads which sounds like the demo off an old Casio keyboard

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justinh:

ah. they have a new logo & schidt

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justinh:

that probably means their webshite will be taken offline for weeks while they 'enhance it'

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wagnerrp:

the 6500 i have in mine is probably around that as well

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wagnerrp:

although theres no real purpose to it

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justinh:

power calculator online reckons a budget of 60W for the fx5200

[09:57:35]

wagnerrp:

i intended to have it run X, but nVidia refuses to make drivers for freebsd

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wagnerrp:

thats peak power, in 3D mode

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wagnerrp:

text terminal isnt using quite that much

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directhex:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_173.14.12.html

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wagnerrp:

directhex: let me rephrase, they refuse to make 64-bit drivers for freebsd

[10:00:03]

directhex:

i think 64-bit freebsd users are pretty much at the fringe of the fringe

[10:00:32]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt say that

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directhex:

YOU wouldn't. everyone else would

[10:01:02]

wagnerrp:

but perhaps 64-bit freebsd users wanting proper X drivers might be on the fringe

[10:01:28]

directhex:

the year of the freebsd desktop!

[10:02:00]

justinh:

anyway, cheap deals or not maybe I won't be darkening PC World's door after the netgear router refund shenannigans

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justinh:

not had a reply to my nice letter yet. I complained about the sales droid calling me 'mate' & the general surly manner in which I was treated when I asked for a refund

[10:03:22]

directhex:

you broke the spell!

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directhex:

pc world is, speaking as someone who's worked there, a confidence trickster business

[10:04:25]

directhex:

and confidence trickery relies on nobody breaking the illusion!

[10:04:33]

wagnerrp:

god damned xkcd

[10:04:48]

justinh:

even my mates don't call me 'mate' :)

[10:04:56]

directhex:

whatever you say, mate

[10:05:02]

wagnerrp:

now everything i read for the next few hours is going to sound like morgan freeman

[10:05:16]

wagnerrp:

i suppose thats good reason to go to sleep

[10:05:20]

justinh:

typecast?

[10:05:27]

directhex:

there are worse earworms than morgan freeman

[10:06:03]

directhex:

for example, i could suggest you think about the song "girls just wanna have fun", which has an uncanny ability to dominate minds with annoying poppiness

[10:06:26]

gbee:

damn you!

[10:06:29]

justinh:

you keep bleeding, you keep bleeding. you keep keep bleeding. YOU KEEP BLEEDING

[10:06:38]

justinh:

you keep bleeding, you keep bleeding. you keep keep bleeding. YOU KEEP BLEEDING

[10:06:39]

wagnerrp:

luckily, ive never heard it, so i cannot think about it

[10:06:44]

** gbee puts directhex on ignore **

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directhex:

someone needs a quick dose of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGKH7WpSTz0

[10:07:15]

** justinh sends the black helicopters with loudspeakers over to wagnerrp's neighbourhood **

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directhex:

not a rickroll, honest!

[10:08:02]

justinh:

I'd kill to have to listen to cindi lauper right now. anything's better than half-man half-biscuit

[10:08:16]

justinh:

the speakers are back. I need a new strategy

[10:08:16]

directhex:

it's not quite the lauper original

[10:08:18]

wagnerrp:

oh, i have heard that song before

[10:08:18]

directhex:

but close enough

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directhex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaTur4A1OU is not a rickroll either

[10:08:47]

justinh:

youtube is killing home taping

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gbee:

hehe

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mzb_d800:

Oh dear ... getting confused with Power Searching with mythweb

[10:14:41]

mzb_d800:

search phrase: program.subtitle LIKE "%Basketball%"

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mzb_d800:

but I'm only getting 1 being scheduled

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mzb_d800:

(instead of many)

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bagpuss_thecat:

morning all

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mzb_d800:

ah ... not the search, but the duplicate checking ... doh

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justinh:

I'm not sure I'm a big fan of having to enter mysql-like terms in any search box

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bagpuss_thecat:

I'm curious... mythtv iplayer wiki page points me at mythstreams, yet the mythstreams page says it's discontinued. Is there a successor to mythstreams? the myththstreamtv wiki page appears to indicate that it's outdated too, and won't work on 0.20.1 and above

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justinh:

the bbc don't like people leeching & go to great lengths to stop people

[10:25:31]

justinh:

there's allegedly light at the end of the tunnel though since somebody is planning on a 'proper' linux player

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justinh:

so even linux users needn't be denied the pleasure of watching low quality blocky video

[10:26:01]

bagpuss_thecat:

:-D

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directhex:

justinh, US HDTV?

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justinh:

heh

[10:27:54]

justinh:

mythstream sucked, was barely maintained & was very much a 3rd party plugin. RIP? I doubt it

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bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: the BBC are, admittedly, offering automatic bitrate detection, and 2 to 4Mbps for HD content VerysoonNow(tm)

[10:28:23]

justinh:

mythstreamtv was a different thing entirely – other than a poor choice of name

[10:28:28]

bagpuss_thecat:

we'll see how well that turns out...

[10:28:41]

justinh:

as much as 4Mbps? :-O

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bagpuss_thecat:

phwoar

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justinh:

I see lego people

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justinh:

I wish licence fee payers got to vote :)

[10:29:30]

justinh:

no, no online shit thankyou. I have a pvr

[10:30:01]

bagpuss_thecat:

we need some drastic improvements of the .uk intarwebpipenetwork befor ewe'll get the average connection speed to be much higher

[10:30:24]

directhex:

and stop capping users after 10 meg of downloads in any calendar month?

[10:30:27]

justinh:

we need new ISPs who don't have restrictive practises

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bagpuss_thecat:

I have a PVR too... but occasionally I sit down to watch some past episodes

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justinh:

not that I care much. bunch of moaning freeloading theives, the lot of em

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bagpuss_thecat:

stuff that isn't recorded

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bagpuss_thecat:

ISPs are a bunch of cocks

[10:31:02]

bagpuss_thecat:

I used to work for one...

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sam_albuquerque:

anyone used mythtv as a UPNP server without a capture card

[10:31:09]

** bagpuss_thecat quickly runs /names **

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justinh:

customers are a bunch of cocks. whining when they get caps put in place for downloaing 10GB in a day. ffs

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directhex:

10gb in one day is easily done

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justinh:

yeah. if you're downloading a lot of ISOs & HD mkv 'rips'

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justinh:

I know people who moan about hitting their usage caps & they don't even use the "muh, but linux distros!" excuse ;)

[10:33:05]

directhex:

seen the size of game demos these days?

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justinh:

they ain't gamers either

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** bagpuss_thecat is ditching the woeful VriginMedia and moving to BeThere **

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directhex:

age of conan client: 14 gig download

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** bagpuss_thecat emails voipfone to chase up his number porting **

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justinh:

which'll be great til BeThere are full of freeloaders too

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justinh:

people flocked to providers who had no such usage policies. and eventually the providers wised up

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webvictim:

justinh: exactly

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** bagpuss_thecat recalls the days when he could plug a laptop directly into the LINX port... **

[10:35:03]

webvictim:

this is why i'm not going to Be yet

[10:35:05]

** bagpuss_thecat sighs **

[10:35:17]

justinh:

cynical, moi? :D

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webvictim:

virgin are ok, really. they give good speed when they're not capping

[10:35:38]

bagpuss_thecat:

in the short term, I still see Be as a better ride than Virgin

[10:35:43]

webvictim:

the caps during the day are a bit rubbish though.

[10:35:49]

webvictim:

the 4–9pm thing i can handle

[10:35:56]

webvictim:

but 10am-3pm is crap

[10:36:23]

bagpuss_thecat:

webvictim: caps are implemented seemingly arbitrarily, upload is shit, and 4–9pm is kinda when I'd like to use VoIP...

[10:36:26]

justinh:

reminds me. we still need to talk to VM about that downgrade to 2Mbit

[10:36:39]

bagpuss_thecat:

and I download maybe a few hundred meg a day...

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justinh:

a few hundred meg a day, every day. WTF?

[10:37:14]

bagpuss_thecat:

yeah

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webvictim:

i get 20mbit when i do download heavily

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webvictim:

i just have policies set up to stop big downloads during capping hours

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justinh:

WTF are you doing with all that?

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bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: if that... probably less

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webvictim:

you'd be surprised how much traffic web browsing, photo downloads, online games etc rack up

[10:38:22]

webvictim:

standard evening for me, really

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bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: rsyncs mainly, vpn connections, flickr browsing, backups of remote server configs, etc

[10:38:48]

justinh:

sounds like you want a business connection

[10:39:26]

sam_albuquerque:

seems like my question got lost in your Virgin – BT cap limit discussions.. I'm trying to run MythTV as a plain UPNP server and i do not have a capture card. How do i make my vids appear in UPNP list. My Upnp Renderer Devices can see MythTV Upnp Server but cannot see any media i have put in the folders there..

[10:39:50]

directhex:

mythvideo.

[10:40:15]

justinh:

point mythvideo where your video lives.

[10:40:20]

directhex:

mythvideo content is served by upnp. if nothing's listed, then there's probably a upnp bug somewhere

[10:40:47]

justinh:

then this is where one of the 'P' letters in Upnp comes in. Pray your upnp client speaks the same brand of upnp as mythtv

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sam_albuquerque:

:p ok.. anyway thanks for the headsup.. will go back digging ;)

[10:41:24]

gbee:

or to put it the other way, pray your upnp client speaks proper upnp

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sam_albuquerque:

i am QAing our UPNP clients

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justinh:

proper/non-MS/non-Sony/etc

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directhex:

UPnP is one of those lovely "standards" that nobody implements the same

[10:42:16]

sam_albuquerque:

they are certified as DLNA reference device

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directhex:

especially the people behind the standard

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bagpuss_thecat:

s'like SCSI really

[10:42:29]

justinh:

that's where the 'U' comes from – they're universally different! :D

[10:42:34]

bagpuss_thecat:

"which standard would that be, sir?"

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** directhex puts a terminator on bagpuss_thecat **

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justinh:

oh goody. now we have ZE KRAVTVERK. Arghhh

[10:43:50]

directhex:

das hokey kokey?

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directhex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1tkspU5yw

[10:44:25]

justinh:

VE ARE ZE ROBOTS. ad infinitum

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bagpuss_thecat:

sadly it's not as HV as i'd like it to be :-)

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justinh:

"so, why did you leave your last job?" "er.. I came close to murdering my colleague who had no taste in music"

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** directhex attacks bagpuss_thecat with an infiniband cable **

[10:45:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

dhear ghod now

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bagpuss_thecat:

s/now/no/

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bagpuss_thecat:

down at my mates business about 5 years ago, I tripped over the infiniband uplink to a small cluster they were testing

[10:46:29]

bagpuss_thecat:

\o/

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directhex:

don't do that

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directhex:

IB cables are expensive, and don't like bending

[10:46:59]

bagpuss_thecat:

the TX had some form of safety release, thankfully

[10:47:09]

directhex:

just for justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ&feature=related

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bagpuss_thecat:

but that's what they get for leaving it next to the door to the kitchen

[10:47:39]

directhex:

remind me not to buy a cluster from them

[10:47:53]

bagpuss_thecat:

he no longer works for them :-)

[10:48:49]

bagpuss_thecat:

http://www.streamline-computing.com/ it was

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justinh:

ahh that might be why the other 4 codec cards were no worky. somebody neglected to plug the other 4pin 12V cable so there was no 3v3 on the other 4 slots. meh

[10:49:18]

directhex:

oh fuck me

[10:49:22]

justinh:

my brain is slowly dying

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bagpuss_thecat:

directhex: later, dear :-)

[10:51:22]

justinh:

fack! Coldplay blatantly nicked the riff from 'Computer Love'. So not only are they responsible for lame, watered down navel gazing tripe, they nick ideas

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directhex:

bagpuss_thecat, spot the logo on dell/sun racks. http://osc.ox.ac.uk/var/img/racks2211.jpg

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justinh:

oh look.. with the power plugged in, the other 4 codecs work. amazing!

[10:52:51]

justinh:

BTW uk folks – you seen thetv_grab_uk_rt recently? like version 0.5.52 or later? :-O

[10:52:58]

directhex:

justinh, why?

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** bagpuss_thecat laughs mercilessly **

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justinh:

oh, just the part where you enter your postcode & say who provides your lineup

[10:55:00]

directhex:

assuming reception works

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directhex:

still, neat!

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justinh:

majorly neat

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bagpuss_thecat:

shiny

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directhex:

i wonder why the icon downloader in myth breaks on bbc channels though :/

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gbee:

breaks how?

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directhex:

as in "doesn't do bbc channels, fails if you try to force it via a manual search of any kind"

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justinh:

there was a trick to that IIRC

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directhex:

it's probably confused by 1/ONE

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gbee:

works here

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justinh:

gbee: you seen this new xmltv? I was in awe early this morning when I got everything I needed to make it

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, since new for you on Dapper is probably quite old for me :) I tend to stay pretty close to the releases

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gbee:

XMLTV module version 0.5.51

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justinh:

oh I don't use packages of stuff that matters to me

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bagpuss_thecat:

"mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources" :-(

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bagpuss_thecat:

"There's guide data until 2035-09–01 02:00 (9880 days)"

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gbee:

which is actually pretty old

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justinh:

I grabbed a nightly tarball last week

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** bagpuss_thecat suspects someone somewhere is lying... **

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justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: corrupt EIT packet

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directhex:

don't we filter that yet?

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bagpuss_thecat:

s'been saying that for months :-)

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directhex:

if startdate or enddate >= currentdate + 5 fucking years, then FAIL

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justinh:

I can't remember if it's been fixed or not but I've been running a cron job to clean them up

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gbee:

DELETE FROM recorded WHERE starttime > '2009-01–01 00:01';

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justinh:

directhex: always only ever seems to be starttime

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directhex:

your shipment of fail has been delivered to 2038

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gbee:

err program, not recorded

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justinh:

I wouldn't bet my house on simply chucking away packets with bad CRC though

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gbee:

reason it wasn't fixed was because stuarta/janneg wanted to find out if it was caused in anyway by our mishandling EIT

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justinh:

eit is mishandled?

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directhex:

gbee, never hardcode dates. you can ask vmware what happens when you do

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gbee:

justinh: the bad date events do pass CRC

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gbee:

justinh: apparently not

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justinh:

oh. I heard they were bad CRC. damn thar intrawebnets

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gbee:

well we do discard packets which fail CRC, so to get inserted in the DB they must

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gbee:

directhex: you've lost me

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justinh:

then again, following the ETSI spec & donig the right thing aren't always the same thing innit ;)

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gbee:

iirc we now discard events with dates more than 6 weeks or something in the future

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directhex:

gbee, every vmware esx machine in the world was shut down yesterday, as an update accidentaly hardcoded a license expiry of august 12th

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gbee:

heh

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bagpuss_thecat:

vmware fail

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bagpuss_thecat:

how the fuck that passed QA is beyond me

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justinh:

rule one of QA.. set hardware clock to a date 100 years into the future. I don't think

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bagpuss_thecat:

admittedly it just prevented machines starting up. running machines continued to run

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gbee:

directhex: well that query wasn't my proposed fix for myth, but for bagpuss

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gbee:

like I said, pretty sure we now discarded stupid dates in trunk

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justinh:

hmm. can't seem to find that cron job now, false memory perhaps

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justinh:

nevermind syslogs. need to keep a log of wtf I do to my machines since they go untouched for so bleddy long

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kyle___:

Anyone available to help?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

nobody can help if you don't give anybody an idea what the problem is

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directhex:

bsdfox needs new internets.

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kyle___:

my video play back is just a bunch of colored mess while my adio is fine. the file format is a ripped (perfect) vog

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justinh:

vog? new one on me

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kyle___:

vob*

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directhex:

Visual OrGasm. very new!

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sid3windr:

cute

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directhex:

kyle___, by "ripped perfect", how was this ripped exactly?

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justinh:

does other video play back ok?

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kyle___:

i havnt been able to test other videos, the dvd player works fine

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kyle___:

directhex, in the archiving options i ripped it with the "perfect" option instead of the ISO

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directhex:

so ripped in mythtv, then.

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kyle___:

yes

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kyle___:

also i have an mp4 movie that does the exact same thing

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kyle___:

totem playes these files just fine

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justinh:

sounds like a video driver problem

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directhex:

ati graphics?

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kyle___:

ill run a quick test then, running dual video outs TV and monitor. nVidia

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directhex:

what color is the "bunch of colored mess"?

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kyle___:

mostly pink

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directhex:

hm. which window manager do you use?

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kyle___:

window manager? im using gnome

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directhex:

gnome is a desktop environment, with at least two window managers commonly ysed

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kyle___:

nautilus

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directhex:

nautilus is a file manager

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kyle___:

ok well i turned off the dual monitor setup and the video is playing back

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directhex:

metacity, compiz, sawfish, xfwm4, kwin. those are window managers

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kyle___:

its proportions are horrible though

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kyle___:

im using what ever the default is on an ubuntu install

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kyle___:

7.10

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directhex:

i don't remember under which circunstances compiz is default

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kyle___:

ok... justinh was on to something with the video driver problem suggestion... video plays when im running it on just my monitor and not the tv

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kyle___:

any ideas on what it takes to make it run on the tv?

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justinh:

turn off the stupid eye candy :)

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kyle___:

justinh, ah but i did

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directhex:

you did how exactly?

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justinh:

and bear in mind that only one output will ever give you accelerated stuff like Xv AFAIK

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kyle___:

i was just about to ask about that... i simply turned it off in the screen settings menu

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directhex:

turned what off in which screen settings menu?

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justinh:

preferences > turn off stupid eyecandy crap IIRC

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kyle___:

visual effects

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justinh:

not sure that actually turns it off completely though

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kyle___:

its compiz i believe

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directhex:

it does. "off" means metacity

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kyle___:

metacity?

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justinh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity

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kyle___:

also how do i enable the track prev, next, play/pause etc. buttons within mythtv

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justinh:

disable arrow key accelerators for one

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Dibblah:

I think he probably means keyboard hardkeys.

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kyle___:

yes im sorry

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kyle___:

key board keys

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justinh:

they don't come disabled by default

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justinh:

read keys.txt ?

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kyle___:

ok for future reference it was the video driver problem, needed to enable Sync to VBlank on display device

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kyle___:

justinh, thank you for that suggestion... where is keys.txt

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kyle___:

does the internal player not play mp4?

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directhex:

not properly on your old version of myth

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Dibblah:

kyle___: There's no 'good' support AFAIK for the hardware "play" "pause" etc keys on "multimedia" keyboards currently.

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Dibblah:

There was a discussion on the -users list some time ago about this.

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kyle___:

directhex, i assume your running a development version or something?

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kyle___:

Dibblah, thank you... ill start paying attention to that

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justinh:

oh THOSE keys. why don't/can't people say what they frickin mean?

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directhex:

kyle___, ubuntu 7.10 has 0.20.2, which is old

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directhex:

kyle___, gutsy-backports has an old, buggy 0.21 version (and myth versions are not cross-compatible)

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kyle___:

directhex, i cant upgrade the distro because of f*ed kernel sata drivers, can i still upgrade myth?

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directhex:

within the package manager? not without pain

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justinh:

uninstall the packages of mythtv, install subversion & build-deps...

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justinh:

./configure

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justinh:

make && make install. badabing

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justinh:

IIRC there are backports of 0.21 anyway

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directhex:

of 0.21, not fixes

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justinh:

just not in the default repos

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kyle___:

well... aside for this mp4 thing is there any reason i should try to upgrade myth? is it worth the trouble

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directhex:

0.21? multirec is the main one

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justinh:

that and reams of bugfixes

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directhex:

pfft, bugs

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directhex:

they add flavour!

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justinh:

also background music playing in mythmusic

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kyle___:

any critical bugs i should be aware of though? IE any dangers to my media

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justinh:

eh?

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justinh:

#78678 – random deletion of media files (just because the backend felt like it). lol

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AndyCap:

Tivo thinks I'm gay.

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justinh:

AFAIK there's never been a big in mythtv as critical as that

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justinh:

s/big/bug

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justinh:

the only danger in upgrading (as ever) is to your database. but then, you're smart & back that up regularly anyway, right?

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AndyCap:

*cough*

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kyle___:

ill stick with this version for now, btw this is my first dive into myth... hench the dumb questions

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kyle___:

well there is nothing in my database yet

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kyle___:

i havnt set up an IR blaster for my STB

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kyle___:

so no recordings

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teprrr:

hi, anyone been using trunk to decode h264 material? how synced is ffmpeg currently in trunk? and how does it work compared to coreavc?

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kyle___:

or "nice" scheduled recordings any way

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justinh:

mythtv is usually way behind ffmpeg

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GreyFoxx:

tep: There hasn't been a resync in a while, but one is in the works and will likely be soon

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justinh:

and that isn't necessarily a bad thing considering how often it gets turned upside down

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GreyFoxx:

and several people here have been playing h264 with no troubles

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GreyFoxx:

dunno about performance compared to CoreAVC as I have enough CPU To have no worried about that stuff yet

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justinh:

last I heard about coreavc was that there was little gain to be had from it even compared to 0.21-fixes

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, ah, ok.. apparently my amd's x2 4600+ isn't enough for h264 material :P

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, but nice to hear that there'll be sync sometime now

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GreyFoxx:

I guess it would dependon the encoding options and bitrate

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GreyFoxx:

my x2 5200+ plays all sample files I've gotten my hands on

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kdubya:

my 5400 x2 has trouble with 720p h264

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kdubya:

which doesnt seem right

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teprrr:

justinh, yup, just wondered how behind is it currently, as someone pointed out that ffmpeg has had some changes regarding to multithreaded decoding with non-sliced material or something

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GreyFoxx:

but I've have grabbed every single samplefile mentioned in here or on the vairous sites and all play on mine

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justinh:

there's only a SoC project with that intent AFAIK

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teprrr:

yup, sure, my comp works fine for example for big buck bunny's 1080p version, though it may be mpeg2 one.. haven't looked at it much

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GreyFoxx:

the framelevel multithreading is not in ffmpeg yet I believe, still being worked on

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teprrr:

but that works fine nevertheless

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justinh:

1080p mpeg2 is dogmeat compared to h.264

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justinh:

h.264 is the mother of all bitches to play

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teprrr:

local provider gives out 1080i h264 material from the cable.. converted to PNG one frame takes 6MB..

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teprrr:

no idea what's the bitrate of that

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teprrr:

yeah, I'd be nice if nvidia's driver could support h264 also

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teprrr:

hardware decoding I mean

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justinh:

it'd be nice, oh it'd be nice :D

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directhex:

yay, xvmc! wait, what?

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justinh:

what – you mean xvmc is absolutely useless in any real terms? Oh

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justinh:

http://xbmc.org/wiki/?title=GSoC_-_GPU_Assisted_Video_Decoding

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teprrr:

xvmc doesn't support h264 decoding :P

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

we know that

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justinh:

it doesn't support mpeg2 decoding either. it merely _helps_

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teprrr:

ah, I see :P

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XLV:

oh yeah we know that ;-) i have been in here bugging people in here about it for about a year ;-)

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teprrr:

darn, what's that gsoc project about :o

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teprrr:

related to x360's gpu.. hrm, wasn't that nvidia one?

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justinh:

teprrr: using a GPU to assist with the processing of h.264 decoding

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justinh:

nothing to do with xbox 360 at all

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justinh:

it's for XBMC on linux

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teprrr:

yup, GLSL stuff

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XLV:

teprrr a senior coder helps and organises a group of apprentices to finish some programming project, most of the times something useful, i suppose theres some monetary price involved

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directhex:

paid for by google

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XLV:

yeah, lets all learn glsl, singal processing techiques and theory, and c/c++

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teprrr:

XLV, erm, yes, I know what gsoc is ;)

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teprrr:

but sounds nice, any ideas how that project has been progressing?

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justinh:

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=reconsan4.jpg

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justinh:

he's got motion compensation (kind of) working

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teprrr:

okies

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justinh:

http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xbmc?v . . . vision=13976

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teprrr:

yup, well, perhaps I'll just have to wait that to get into ffmpeg tree and from there to myth's source tree :)

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teprrr:

sure I could try coreavc-for-linux just for fun sometime, they seem to offer 14d trial

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justinh:

if it ends up actually succeeding I daresay it'll arrive faster than any nvidia solution

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teprrr:

oddly enough the picture lags a bit even though the cpu isn't fully utilized.. when playing livetv with h264 content

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XLV:

or intel or ati

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teprrr:

yeah, I wouldn't count on nvidia's support for those

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justinh:

s/nvidia/anybody

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teprrr:

no idea either whether my 6150LE is powerful enough/has shader support at all to play that kind of content

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justinh:

aiming for total hero status isn't a bad goal for the kid

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XLV:

teprrr nvidia 8200 is the igp that can handle h264 decoding in gpu

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XLV:

ati 780g/790gx

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XLV:

and intel 4500hd

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teprrr:

XLV, hrm, nvidia 6xxx should also be able to handle it

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teprrr:

or at least that's what nvidia says :)

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justinh:

I thought the lower series were capable it was just that nvidia disabled it

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justinh:

as in, dropped it from the drivers

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teprrr:

yes, nvidia's binary driver doesn't support anything but mpeg2 decoding via xvmc

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teprrr:

windows driver supports it, or that's what I've been reading.. no idea how good is it though

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directhex:

actually...

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directhex:

is it AGP or PCIe?

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justinh:

DUH WE KNOW XVMC SUPPORTS ONLY MPEG2 (barely)

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justinh:

obviously I meant the Windows drivers

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XLV:

teprrr i think gpu needs to support purevideohd only igps 8xxx do that, 6150 doesnt

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teprrr:

mine is igp..

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teprrr:

could be :I

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directhex:

according to nvidia, a pcie 6150 can do accelerated h264, but no idct or cavlc/cabac; wmv but no idct; and mpeg2 but without idct or deint

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directhex:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_43029.html

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justinh:

hw deinterlacing would be nicer still

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justinh:

that's prolly almost as responsible for CPU usage as the decoding itself

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teprrr:

hmm. wondering whether the cpu should be utilized 100% when playing the material.. currently it shows 60–70% for both cores, and stutters/lags

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teprrr:

where-as big buck bunny plays just ok.. but perhaps I need to get some sample h264 720p and test with that how well it works

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justinh:

h.264 != h.264 != h.264

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justinh:

remember that, always

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teprrr:

talking about bitrate? yup, sure

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justinh:

a lot of 'sample' material floating around out there has been fecked about with

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justinh:

not only bitrate

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justinh:

encoding method, slices..

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justinh:

right now in mythtv if it isn't encoded in slices there's NO benefit in using more than one core to decode

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justinh:

apparently it might actually perform worse

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teprrr:

ahh, I see. perhaps I could also try ffmpeg trunk as someone noted that it has some new support for sliceless decoding with multiple cores

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justinh:

oo another fruit of SoC

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anykey_:

teprrr: that'd be really nice

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teprrr:

http://pastebin.com/d65a0ba1c hmm, actually the stream I'm looking for has slices..

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teprrr:

apparently.

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teprrr:

[h264 @ 0x7f0d4d03b8e0]B picture before any references, skipping

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teprrr:

[h264 @ 0x7f0d4d03b8e0]decode_slice_header error

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teprrr:

those may cause the stuttering, maybe.. :P

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gbee:

so the package manager is broken, how do you fix a broken package manager? it's not as though you can just re-install the package

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directhex:

depends on WHICH package manager

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directhex:

i only know dpkg-fu

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justinh:

emerge hell ?

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gbee:

directhex: rpm/urpmi, might even be perl which is broken since that was the last update before it fubar'd

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directhex:

sorry, can't help

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gbee:

see, this is the sort of trouble I get into when I won't leave a stable system alone

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gbee:

or perhaps just when I mix unstable packages with a stable system .... damn you cooker!

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justinh:

I might live to regret using cpan to install HTTP::Cache::Transparent-1.0 over 0.6 last night

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teprrr:

hmm, is there any reason to use mplayer instead of internal player to play videos? apparently it's set like that per default (may be ubuntu-specific though)

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justinh:

there are plenty of reasons not to use mplayer

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teprrr:

yup, just wondering why that's been set as default.. perhaps better subtitle support or something like that.. internal is used for dvd playback though

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teprrr:

internal ffmpeg is linked statically to the mythfrontend, right? so I can't just force internal player to use my own ffmpeg with LD_LIBRARY_PATH?

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GreyFoxx:

tep: yes

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justinh:

ask ubuntu guys why mplayer is still the default

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GreyFoxx:

We don't just use ffmpeg straight from them

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GreyFoxx:

it has it's own pactches and customizations

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GreyFoxx:

and we link to our own to ensure the correct one is used

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GreyFoxx:

the myth default is Internal now not mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

has been for a while

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teprrr:

ok, well, perhaps I won't try ffmpeg trunk then.. makes life a bit easier that way

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GreyFoxx:

but some packagers set it up differently

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teprrr:

yup, will ask mythbuntu guys what's that for

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I use internal for everything, videos , dvd's etc

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GreyFoxx:

rarely do I find something it wont play

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teprrr:

srt/ssa subtitle support that could be, perhaps

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teprrr:

heh, a mythbuntu fellow says that they are using the default from upstream.. :P

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GreyFoxx:

Actually I think it him be right

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GreyFoxx:

the default DVD player was moved to Internal

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GreyFoxx:

just looking at the code now

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GreyFoxx:

I thought Anduin had also updated the default regular player setting too

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GreyFoxx:

Probably see that move to Internal for 0.22 as well

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GreyFoxx:

as the default I mean

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teprrr:

ah, ok, thanks for clarifying

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GreyFoxx:

still leave mplayer for vcd's

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teprrr:

ok, I'll change my box to use internal to see how it works

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GreyFoxx:

Make sure Internal with the capital I

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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teprrr:

yup, I know :)

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teprrr:

hrm, oddly enough one dvd plays just well where-as another fails :P

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teprrr:

a bug in libdvdnav or libdvdcss, could be

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justinh:

what other reason than mythtv has taste? :D

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teprrr:

hehe, apparently shawshank redemption wins 16 blocks ;)

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teprrr:

libdvdread: Can't seek to block 3891160

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teprrr:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 11 (VTS_11_0.IFO).

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teprrr:

duh :P

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teprrr:

buggy dvd?

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teprrr:

oh well, fortunately there's still standalone dvd player available, in case other discs fail too

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teprrr:

could be caused by some copy protection crap.. always after legitimate users :P

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justinh:

hmm somebody within the company I work for has asked me to join his network. I don't even know who the hell he is

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justinh:

(on linkedin)

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teprrr:

connection whores? ;I

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justinh:

maybe. I joined up, saw what there was to see (i.e. F. All) & let it fizzle

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rimbob:

http://lookslikefun.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/ . . . s-but-virus/

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rimbob:

hah

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justinh:

uh. not for firefox? POO!

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justinh:

ruh?! http://www.stillhq.com/mythtv/mythnettv/000008.html

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justinh:

pure madness, downloading video files & plopping them down alongside recorded tv

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teprrr:

thrm, internal player gives me a lot of audio buffer overflows when playing videos

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teprrr:

doesn't seem to work very well.. :P

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iamlindoro_:

A shiny nickel says you mean *underflow*

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teprrr:

overflow

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iamlindoro_:

ah, the "audio data lost" error?

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teprrr:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

ISTR that that can be fairly simply fixed w/ audio options

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teprrr:

btw, shouldn't pressing I bring up the epg info first instead of displaying the state of the playback? just thinking that at least I want to see epg data more often than the position of playback

[15:54:09]

teprrr:

forcing bigger buffer perhaps?

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justinh:

shouldn't live tv just be removed altogether?

[15:54:38]

teprrr:

rewinding works just fine in livetv/timeshifting

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iamlindoro_:

teprrr: I is by default bound to Info, there is also a binding for EPG... if you want it that way, just change the bindings

[15:55:02]

teprrr:

but for videos it doesn't.. or is there some reason why it even tries to use sound when rewinding etc?

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justinh:

I'd like to know why U is 'program details' in 'watch recordings' but I & M are menu keys

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justinh:

consistency--

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justinh:

can't wait to have a go sorting those two menus out

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teprrr:

iamlindoro_, yeah, and I think info should display the show description info in osd before the position data

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justinh:

job for next week when I'm done with some theme porting

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teprrr:

or at least I fail to see why someone would like to see the position of recording/show first instead of the epg osd

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, the users list keeps cutting off a part of a message from me-- must be some character that it doesn't like, considers illegal...

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sphery:

looks complete to me...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: According to the archive it cut off the last paragraph... twice :)

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sphery:

the sourceforge archive or gossamer?

[16:27:13]

iamlindoro_:

Do you see a message that reads: Hmm, dunno why the list truncated my last message. Last bit was...

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iamlindoro_:

w/o a second paragraph after?

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iamlindoro_:

The pipermail, so I assume SF

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sphery:

Only one paragraph in that one

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sphery:

Last paragraph is From experience...

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, there were two, I submitted it with a ten line second pg

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iamlindoro_:

hmm, oh wait

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iamlindoro_:

if you see "From experience," then it exists somewhere...

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iamlindoro_:

so weird

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iamlindoro_:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-August/230917.html

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sphery:

Yeah, I see in the archive the whole From experience is gone.

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iamlindoro_:

OK, well no worries, if it got out there then that's fine :) Thanks.

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iamlindoro_:

Now I just look crazy instead of incomplete ;)

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sphery:

Perhaps it thought the From was an attribution/quote...

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sphery:

though that still wouldn't explain why it trunc'ed it.

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sphery:

now that I think about it, the archive may be one that mythtv.org is running rather than SF since Isaac really isn't using SF any more.

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kyle____:

How to I record from my stb (via RCA) thats set up with out a grabber

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kyle____:

is any one home?

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't have listings, then you would be forced to set up manual recordings

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iamlindoro_:

I say get listings set up, as that's really the way Myth is intended to be used

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iamlindoro_:

which is to say, it's not a VCR

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kyle____:

iamlindoro_, well using it like a vcr is my only option at the moment

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kyle____:

when im watching livetv and i press r it says recording ''

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kyle____:

how do i stop the recording

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iamlindoro_:

It will stop itself at the end of the half hour block

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sphery:

kyle____: either cycle through all the recording types or go out to Watch Recordings or Delete Recordings and either select Stop Recording or Delete

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iamlindoro_:

Why is it your only option? You're in the US, use SD

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sphery:

7-day free trial

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kyle____:

iamlindoro_ im trial running now and using a stb with out a IR blaster, I don't want to shell out the $ just yet

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sphery:

(which would actually give you 3 weeks of data--2 weeks of data now and on the last day of your 7 day trial)

[16:47:00]

sphery:

again, 7-day free trial

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sphery:

= 0 $

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kyle____:

trial running as in testing out the software

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sphery:

trial as in you get a 7-day subscription for $0

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kyle____:

sphery, well id also like to be able record from my dvd player, some of the dvds arn't playing to well... i suspect its DRM

[16:49:31]

sphery:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup and notice there's no payment info requested. Inside, you can set up the 7-day trial. See also, "How much does Schedules Direct cost?" in http://www.schedulesdirect.org/faq

[16:50:55]

sphery:

to record from anything without listings, you'd need to do a manual recording--/not/ R in LiveTV

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kyle____:

what does R in LiveTV do exactly

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sphery:

it says, "Record the show that's currently airing."

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kyle____:

ok but how do i go back and watch it, it isnt listed in my recordings

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sphery:

If there's no guide data, it says, "Well, some lazy user doesn't feel like setting up a manual recording, so I'll teach them why it's important by recording shows in pieces broken on the top- and half-hour points."

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sphery:

So, your 2-hour home movie on DVD becomes 4 recordings if you start it at exactly the top of the/half hour or 5 otherwise

[16:54:01]

sphery:

I'm assuming these are home movies on DVD (or something else to which you hold copyright, but if not, I don't want to know)

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sphery:

Though, in reality, recording anything in Myth/TV/ other than TV, is kind of wrong. It's better to use something simpler to record--i.e. dd or whatever.

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kyle____:

... what the are is beside the point, how do i watch it? it says "Recording ''"

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kyle____:

they*

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sphery:

I won't define wrong, just try to set it up, do it, and you'll see what I mean.

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sphery:

Go to Watch Recordings, select the show, and play

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iamlindoro_:

and if it's not there, press M, change your filter, and it will be

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kyle____:

your not paying attention man! its not listed

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kyle____:

oh ill try that

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andyman53:

Hey guys

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andyman53:

having trouble getting tv out working with an nvidia card

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andyman53:

console shows up on tv

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andyman53:

and i can hear x start but i can't see it

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andyman53:

and i've enabled tvout in the XF86Config file

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** sphery suggests getting a new TV (one that doesn't use TV out, but uses VGA/DVI/HDMI (shudders)/DisplayPort/something that's not as old as you are) **

[16:58:16]

sphery:

where NTSC/PAL are older than most MythTV users...

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sphery:

andyman53: do you have a monitor plugged in to the VGA output? If so, unplug it, reboot the system.

[16:59:15]

sphery:

VGA actually could be DVI or any other non-TV-out output

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kyle____:

this channel is for help and not criticism/riticule, is it not? **caugh** sphery **caugh**

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rimbob:

hrm, is there a setting i can tune so it doesn't sound like my hard disk is dying when i'm watching live TV :x

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sphery:

not criticizing/ridiculing. Just saying that TV out is more work than it's worth.

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sphery:

you have to work /much/ harder to get significantly lower quality output with it.

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rimbob:

i agree

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sphery:

rimbob: what do you mean, "sound like my hard disk is dying"

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rimbob:

sphery: well the Hauppauge card is dumping the mpeg to disk as mythtv is reading it, so it's making thrashing noise

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rimbob:

:P

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sphery:

Well, that's how MythTV does TV. You could get a quieter hard drive, put the system in a different room from your TV (my favorite approach), or use something other than MythTV to watch live TV (like tvtime or whatever)

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rimbob:

that's always an option. i just didn't know if it was bad for the drive or not.

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sphery:

rimbob: How do you have your storage groups configured?

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iamlindoro_:

You're unlikely to wear it out with the minute amount of data it's actually putting on the disk

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GreyFoxx:

If you have a HD that's sound is noticable over what you are watching on your TV then I'd say the drive is having issues

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rimbob:

sphery: i just added the one drive for now. should i add the other nine?

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sphery:

Best approach (IMHO) is to never use multiple-disk (RAID/LVM with >1 disk), and have multiple hard drives each with a separate filesystem mounted at different mount points. Then, recordings will be spread across hard drives, so you're not writing to one area for one recording, seeking to another area to write another, seeking back to the first to read, seeking ahead a bit to write, seeking to the second to write...

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rimbob:

there's no seeking back with raid

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andyman53:

sphery: nothing else is plugged in except tv out

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sphery:

andyman53: Then I'd guess that your TV doesn't like the signal it's getting. I haven't used TV out in a long time, so I'm not a good source of info.

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janneg:

rimbob: why would you think so? of course there is

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rimbob:

sphery: anyways, sorry for wasting your time :). you can go back to helping others.

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andyman53:

true

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andyman53:

i had mythtv on fc6

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andyman53:

it was working

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andyman53:

i just upgraded to fc9

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rimbob:

janneg: not like he's talking about. there's more seeking when you're reading/writing back to one disk than spread out in multidisk fashion over a few drives.

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rimbob:

actually, i just looked into it, and the drive i chose has always been significantly louder than the others, for whatever reason.

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sphery:

other room

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XLV:

do there work in linux/mythtv http://www.technotrend.de/2780/TT-connect__S2-3650_CI.html&nb sp;? from what i searched they seem unsupported

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janneg:

rimbob: even with raid0 you will write to multiple disk with one write of a recording. the stripes are significant smaller than a second of video

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andyman53:

'probing for analog device on output a, none found"

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andyman53:

same for b

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janneg:

with lvm or jbod you might be lucky that both recordings are on different disks but with storage groups mythtv can enforce it

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rimbob:

janneg: i can always make the stripes tiny with md :P

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rimbob:

erm

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rimbob:

janneg: that's what i was wanting

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justinh:

had a thought about my idea of a menu rejig on the way home. get them into xml, then people can choose their own menu layouts. dunno how that'd work within the context of existing plans though

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sutula:

justinh: How does it work today (RE changing of menu's)?

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justinh:

you can't

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justinh:

the qt popup widgets can only be changed by editing code

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sutula:

I'd heard that you could at least disable some

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** sutula thinks it would be a nice addition...heck, everything else is configurable **

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justinh:

OSD menu options are something I'd like to mess with too. I only ever use one

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** sutula has kids and would like to keep many menus away from them **

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rimbob:

how can i make mythbackend use less memory? i'm sure it shouldn't use 500MB on every system..

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justinh:

come to think about it, you might have a point there. things aren't anywhere near abstracted enough for something like multi-user options to be possible yet & that would help a lot I imagine

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rimbob:

i think the more RAM you give something, the more it's going to use.

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GreyFoxx:

yes exactly

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GreyFoxx:

the OS is doingit's job

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GreyFoxx:

by using ram for disk caching

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rimbob:

so no worry?

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GreyFoxx:

no worry

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rimbob:

i won't get OOM killers? :P

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justinh:

depends who you speak to :P

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rimbob:

total used free shared buffers cached

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rimbob:

Mem: 5990 5879 111 0 130 5027

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rimbob:

oh

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rimbob:

cached, i didn't see that

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rimbob:

=D

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GreyFoxx:

cache is your friend :)

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** rimbob pays no mind to it then **

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hadees:

how fast a mac mini do you think i need to decode hdtv?

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ajh:

Decode, not much.

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ajh:

Do you want to decompress it too?

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iamlindoro_:

There's no decompressing of HDTV unless you get it as a series of RARs and .torrents

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iamlindoro_:

Which is a no-no

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: If you are talking US Broadcast, any of the current Minis will be more than enough

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hadees:

iamlindoro, you mean the current intel ones?

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hadees:

or the PPC?

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iamlindoro_:

As those are the only current ones, yes, I mean the Intel ones :)

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hadees:

lol, but i mean from a HD-PVR

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hadees:

that is encoded with h264 right

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iamlindoro_:

Well, from the HD-PVR, that's a LOT more dicey-- I'm not certain any of them will have the oomph, even with CoreAVC, to handle it

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iamlindoro_:

yes, h.264, but also single-sliced, making multithreading impossible without CoreAVC, and even then, the lowest spec I've managed to play back full bitrate w/ CoreAV is a 2.4Ghz C2D

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iamlindoro_:

er CoreAVC

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justinh:

it's always bad news here ;)

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iamlindoro_:

\o/

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iamlindoro_:

The semi-good news is that there is hope on the horizon for much better multithreading from libavcodec, and maybe even some GPU offload someday... but those are both medium-term, I wouldn't expect them all that soon

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justinh:

I was reading about some of that today. there's more progress than I'd have expected

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iamlindoro_:

I'm am more in touch with the former than the latter, but it seems the libavcodec part is coming along really nicely

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high-rez:

When mythbackend craps transponders looking for the program association table – what's the logic in crawling ?

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iamlindoro_:

the real trick is, will he hang in there to get through the ffmpeg painful commit approval process to get it into real libavcodec

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iamlindoro_:

as opposed to the SoC repos

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justinh:

where there's a will there's a way

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justinh:

not sure XBMC folks will care much either way

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justinh:

wonder how xbmc gets so much more love anyway. it's sickening. it doesn't even record telly

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iamlindoro_:

Also, its name is stupid.

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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justinh:

I started wondering how anything can call itself a 'center' if it doesn't do telly

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XLV:

http://www.egreathd.com/index.php/specifications prices are going down for hd network players.. 160 euro for that one

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justinh:

yeah but will they play 'real hd'? will they work with a proper upnp server & not be restricted to shitty windows apps – you know – those propriatary ones media player manufacturers provide

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XLV:

justinh from what i read, it just reads off smb shares just fine

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XLV:

its not restricted to a windows app/ pvr server in any way

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XLV:

and a folk here that got it tried some heavy h264 and it coped just fine

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justinh:

doesn't seem to say AVC h.264 in the same sentence though – still an interesting bit of kit

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Easy_Rider9999:

hallo! After attaching a screen with DVI suddenly live TV is messy (before I had vga) and the TV-OUT is not available (I have Geforce 6200) Should I use another driver instead of the proprietary ones?

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justinh:

heh. no

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Ryushin:

What is a cheap/decent USB IR Receiver that works with LIRC?

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justinh:

any MCE remote package

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Ryushin:

All the USB receivers work with LIRC now?

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justinh:

AFAIK, yes

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justinh:

they have for quite some time

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justinh:

I think anything called 'MCE' is pretty much the same as any other w.r.t. drivers

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justinh:

if in doubt just buy the MS one

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Ryushin:

Hmm.... Are there better USB receivers than others? I know there are two different frequencies that are used. 18–80 Khz is the full range. I was looking at the Tira one from Home Electro, but I consider $50 just too much for this kind of item.

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justinh:

$50 just for a reciever?

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justinh:

MCE ones go for way less, come with 2 IR blasters and a remote

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PatrickDK:

hell, you can get them off newegg for like $20

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justinh:

and it's less about the frequency. standard consumer IR is 38khz

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PatrickDK:

receiver, 1 or 2 transmitters and remote

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justinh:

it's more about the protocol

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'll just get a cheap one from newegg then.

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justinh:

if you want a USB receiver which'll work with just about any remote you've got lying around the house... then you'll need something specialised like the CommandIR

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high-rez:

I use a mceusb2 device and it rocks

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justinh:

high-rez: can you learn other remotes with irrecord using that?

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justinh:

one thing which has puzzled me for ages ^^^

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high-rez:

You know, I never tried.

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high-rez:

Cause I have a mce remote too and i just copied the lircrc from the wiki :)

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Ryushin:

justinh: Yea, that's what the home-electro.com receiver does.

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high-rez:

One cool thing I did with mine, is I have the PC hidden away... The TV sits above the fireplace mantle. My mceusb receiver is plugged into a usb home sitting on the mantle

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high-rez:

So it gets great reception

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Ryushin:

I figure the generic USB MCE receiver should show everything under irrecord.

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high-rez:

I have a friend using one of those logitech programmable remotes with an meusb device – but I think it's emulating the remote.

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justinh:

Ryushin: wouldn't bank on it. IR recievers with micros inside em could only work with one protocol – the one the supplied remote uses

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Ryushin:

How many different protocols are there? I thought there were just 2.

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Ryushin:

Short Range and Long Range.

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justinh:

consumer IR is generally 38khz & one of several protocols – usually RC5 or RC6. some manufacturers (like B&O) do crazy stuff

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Ryushin:

Okay. Well, since I have a logitech remote, I guess it doesn't matter which protocol the usb receiver is using as long as it's standard.

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justinh:

as for the range – that generally has more to do with how powerful the transmitter is

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Ryushin:

So the cheap $18 remote from newegg should be fine.

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justinh:

a logitech harmony can emulate an MCE remote just fine

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Shadow__X:

hi everyone i am having an issue where my tunner keeps saying no lock

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Shadow__X:

where i havent done anything other than reboot

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Shadow__X:

it says be in the 13000s and the S/N keeps changing from 2.4–2.6

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Shadow__X:

that is on a hvr-1800 my 1600 works fine

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justinh:

firmware loaded? same device node as it was?

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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justinh:

sure?

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Shadow__X:

i mean would dvb number change and if it would would that make a difference

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justinh:

yes

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Shadow__X:

justinh, it stoped working from one night to the nest

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justinh:

but

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justinh:

device node changes are a pain

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justinh:

and they happen

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Shadow__X:

while its running it can change?

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justinh:

no, but on reboot. that kind of thing

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Shadow__X:

but it stopped working while it was on

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Shadow__X:

and i tried rebooting because sometimes that fixes the problem

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justinh:

you only ever need reboot for kernel updates & other such drastic stuff

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Shadow__X:

ah alright

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Shadow__X:

so when a tuner records a blank file what should i do

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justinh:

cry

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Shadow__X:

i would rather not and just resolve the issue

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Shadow__X:

i put the copied the firmware over again and remade the drivers again and rebooted maybe that will help

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justinh:

maybe it won't. I suspect it won't

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Shadow__X:

hmm do you know what would help then

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justinh:

looking in logs to try & ascertain what went wrong. the usual

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Shadow__X:

justinh, i cant really say i see anything that points it out

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Shadow__X:

i just dont see it

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iamlindoro_:

I've seen Comcast do sly/evil things like move QAM channels around for a few hours, then back before

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Shadow__X:

but the other qam tuner is working

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Shadow__X:

the dvr-1600 is working fine

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Shadow__X:

analog and qam

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iamlindoro_:

ah. Then sounds like #linuxtv might yield more luck

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Shadow__X:

k

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iamlindoro_:

make mkrufky is monitoring the logs today

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iamlindoro_:

er maybe

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iamlindoro_:

(in there)

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Shadow__X:

ah maybe

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Shadow__X:

it keeps giving me the bit error thing though

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Shadow__X:

and the s/n keeps switching

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iamlindoro_:

have you tried the same cabling into both?

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Shadow__X:

yup

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Shadow__X:

switched the cables

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iamlindoro_:

Any recent new splits or attached coax devices?

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wagnerrp:

well S/N will fluctuate a bit

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Shadow__X:

they are comming from the same splitter

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean 'switching'

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, nope

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iamlindoro_:

Could be that you've always just been right at the signal threshold and you've dropped below, curious as to how it would work if you remove the splitter

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, to see if maybe the cable went bad i took the cable from the 1600 and changed it with the 1800 and the 1600 still works

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, are you asking me to try without the splitter

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justinh:

oh right. always funny how this "I never did nuffink guv'nor" always turns out to be so not the case

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wagnerrp:

yeah, pull the splitter, and plug the 1800 in directly

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wagnerrp:

see if that works

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wagnerrp:

should give you another 3db signal

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justinh:

every passive splitter HALVES your signal

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wagnerrp:

1/2 = 3db

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justinh:

at best!

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, the splitter takes 7db

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Shadow__X:

its a 4 port

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Shadow__X:

and it was what justinh said they switched interestingly enough

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justinh:

inevitably enough ;)

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justinh:

there are 2 ways you can attack it

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justinh:

blacklist the modules so they don't autoload, then put them in /etc/modprobe.conf or whatever in the order you want them – or tangle with udev rules

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Shadow__X:

yeah i think i may have to tangle with udev

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iamlindoro_:

module option video_nr is also nice

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iamlindoro_:

That's a new option

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Shadow__X:

ah where would i find docs on it

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Shadow__X:

or would google search be of assistance

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iamlindoro_:

uhhhhh, figure out what file for your modules in your distro has lines like options ($somemodulesname) someoptions

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iamlindoro_:

then, let's assume we were adding that option to module.... saa7134

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iamlindoro_:

edit or add a line like: options saa7134 video_nr=5

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iamlindoro_:

then when that module is modprobed, it'll create /dev/video5

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iamlindoro_:

No idea how this is handled with the 1800 where two are created, but you might be lucky and find it creates them sequentially

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

ill have to check into that

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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Kernel:

hello all. im thinking of redoing my current setup. i currently have the backend and front end on the same machine..but am thinking of moving the backend to my home server....but the onlything im worried about is my main desktop(that i use as my tv) is wireless...will i encounter issues due to it not being as fast as being wired?

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Kernel:

the backend server will be wired..and my desktop wireless is wirless g

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Kernel:

*wireless

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AndyCap:

Kernel: you could have issues. g works for me except when I microwave something. :P

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Kernel:

haha

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ajh:

wired is a known, wireless is an unknown best-effort, try it and see.

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AndyCap:

could work fine except when your neighbour running super-g is downloading something. unfortunately he just discovered torrent, and is jamming you 24/7

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Kernel:

lol

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Kernel:

i use wpa2 + aes and a 20+ char randomly generated password....dont think anyone is leeching my internets

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clever:

Dagmar has a better idea:P

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clever:

he is using wep

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clever:

< Dagmar> One the one hand, I have WEP.

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clever:

< Dagmar> On the other hand, if you don't think to forge my MAC addresses, let's just say that what you'll get from dhcpd and squid can best be summed up as "All Your Internets Are Belong To Tubgirl"

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clever:

Kernel: doesnt that sound more painfull to bypass?:P

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Kernel:

lol

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clever:

how many hours of tubgirl are you going to endure before you think to clone the mac

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clever:

and how much longer before you relaise you dont know what the mac is

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ajh:

Wonder how long I can just keep sticking 1TB lacie USB/FW drives on the backend.

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ajh:

Perhaps not the cheapest approach, but not too bad speed wise with FW800.

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clever:

ajh: i stuck a drive into my master and gained 200gig free in the end

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clever:

then i doubled my bitrate

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clever:

it looks like it will last a week before it starts to autoexpire things

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ajh:

Yeah, mine archives will be all h.264 in about another week.

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jadams_:

My channels are all named like 'Adding Channel 4' I know I've run into this before and fixed it, but I don't know how I did it. Anyone seen this?

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ajh:

Heh, well Elgato though the nutty idea of testing their sticks with one per VM was interesting enough to mail me 4 sticks :)

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clever:

ajh: im currently doing pvr150 mpeg2 recordings at roughtly 2gig/hour

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clever:

the 78 hours of free space will last until about aug 19 01:00

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clever:

i see now why it keeps moving forward a whole day, i was counting the autoexpire stuff as unused

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clever:

now that i fixed that it reads 18 18:30

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wagnerrp:

Kernel: it doesnt matter if people are leaching your torrents or not, it matters if people are leeching your frequency space

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clever:

wagnerrp: wep/wpa cant stop that

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clever:

a simply microwave with the door wide open can jam the whole freq band id think

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wagnerrp:

at full speed, 802.11b/g only has three separate freqneucy ranges

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kormoc:

it's why I use high powered, directional microwaves to cook anyone without a valid wpa key

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wagnerrp:

most people just leave it at channel 7 and get interference from everyone else

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wagnerrp:

the occasionally, you get the jackass who thinks hes clever and runs on the unused channel 5

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clever:

most of my routers are on automatic

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clever:

so the channel will change some

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ajh:

Heh, I've got a Cisco wireless controller :)

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wagnerrp:

or uses super-g, or some other form of bonding, and flood the entire frequency space

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clever:

id think it would be better to check the signal/noise ratio on every channel

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clever:

and pick the best

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Kernel:

what channel would u recomend?

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clever:

Link Quality=67/100 Signal level=-60 dBm Noise level=-88 dBm

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wagnerrp:

whatever is not in use

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Kernel:

ah ok

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Kernel:

ill see whats floating around with kismet

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Kernel:

gotta log out then back in ...br

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Kernel:

*brb

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clever:

but some freq may be in use by non 802.11 hardware which you cant detect

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Kernel:

oh didnt think of that

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wagnerrp:

1, 6, and 11 can be used without interference

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, and you have noticeable overlap

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clever:

if you run 'iwconfig' youll see the signal level of whatever your connected to atm

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clever:

you could just keep changing the channel at the AP and retesting till you get a good signal

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Kernel:

what would be a good signal?

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clever:

depends on your hardware

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Kernel:

Link Quality=45/70 Signal level=-49 dBm Noise level=-94 dBm

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Kernel:

i should have good signal...the router is through one very thing wall and is around 5 feet away(through the wall)

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wagnerrp:

you can just do a scan of the local area, and pick a channel that has the fewest competing APs at the lowest signal level

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kormoc:

a link quality of 70/70 would be bext

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clever:

that would be 100%

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Kernel:

kormoc: iirc my card doesnt properly display the link quality

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clever:

im currently getting 70%

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wagnerrp:

basically, you just want to find a channel with the lowest possible noise level

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wagnerrp:

other people's APs just raise the noise background on your signal

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clever:

68 when i go towards the neighbors wifi

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wagnerrp:

as do microwaves, some cordless phones, ...

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clever:

and away from mine

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kormoc:

toilet paper...

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Kernel:

lol

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wagnerrp:

depends on the ply

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Kernel:

i wonder if my tinfoil hat is affecting it. ;-o

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clever:

i noticed a 1dBm increase in noise when i turned my cordless on

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clever:

but thats when holding the laptop directly between the base and phone

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Kernel:

so the lower the numbers on the signal level ...the better?

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clever:

-90 is 'lower' then -80

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Kernel:

right

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clever:

dBm is tricky to deal with

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Kernel:

yea. i dont really know to much about it.

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clever:

some people dont even see the – there and claim its the other way arround

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Kernel:

i actually didnt notice it was there untill you mentioned -90 is lower then -80

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clever:

see:P

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Kernel:

;-o

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clever:

Link Quality=95/100 Signal level=-21 dBm Noise level=-89 dBm

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clever:

when standing under a foot from the router

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kormoc:

Kernel, it's 1mW – level, so the closer to 0, the higher power it is

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clever:

Link Quality=67/100 Signal level=-60 dBm Noise level=-89 dBm

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kormoc:

Kernel, so you want your signal to be close to 0, your noise as far from 0

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clever:

i thought that about 3dBm change would double/halve the signal power

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clever:

and something like 1dBm was 1 watt of power or something

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** kormoc blinks **

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clever:

but i havent read the wikipedia page in months

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clever:

starting to loose beacons when in the kitchen:(

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clever:

though irc is still stable

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clever:

might also be the metal stove the laptop is sitting on

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Kernel:

hmm ok

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clever:

also my bitrate changes a good deal

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clever:

to make up for the worse signal

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Kernel:

wonder why mine is so low/high

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clever:

right now im getting a full 54

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clever:

i cross the room and now its only 24 Mb/s

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clever:

which could realy harm HD tv streaming

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clever:

and if you want to keep a close eye while you carry the laptop about

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clever:

watch -d iwconfig eth0

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clever:

(using whatever device the card is)

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Kernel:

ah

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Kernel:

right

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Kernel:

i really should suck it up and lay some wire....

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clever:

if you dont name a card it spews to stderr about everything else

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clever:

which screws with the output of watch

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clever:

i ran wire for every system

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clever:

including a few laptops:P

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** J-e-f-f-A ran Cat 5e through his whole house after trying myth somewhat un-successfully over wireless... ;-) (about 4 years ago...) **

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i could bearly get sdtv to work over 802.11b

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clever:

the drivers crapped out and would randomly disconnect

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clever:

and mythtv would up and halt even with a full buffer

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Kernel:

hehe. i just recently upgraded from b to g

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clever:

then timeout and give up reading

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Kernel:

what kind of lan speeds do you guys get on g>

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clever:

then continue to play the buffer and trick you into a false sense of security:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

I also don't have a 2.4Ghz phone... 6.0 DECT here...

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** clever dd's a 690mb file in over nfs+802.11g **

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Kernel:

using ftp...i was getting like 1500–2000kb/s

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clever:

the math says that 54mbit comes out to about 6mbyte/sec

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clever:

but thats assuming you have perfect signal

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clever:

325058560 bytes (325 MB) copied, 117.637 seconds, 2.8 MB/s

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clever:

ugh:(

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Kernel:

hehe

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ajh:

wait until it gets jabber, 1-bit error correction.

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clever:

412090368 bytes (412 MB) copied, 149.972 seconds, 2.7 MB/s

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clever:

its getting worse

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ajh:

N will help a great deal.

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ajh:

Spec-N

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clever:

now lets try an actual mythtv recording

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Kernel:

bah ok. brb. need to log out then back in.

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clever:

to get real fragmenation and stuff into the numbers

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clever:

24117248 bytes (24 MB) copied, 9.22795 seconds, 2.6 MB/s

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clever:

wait, i see half my problem

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clever:

bs=1M

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clever:

i switched to 512k and now i have 5 times the speed

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clever:

wait

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clever:

cache

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clever:

damnit:P

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clever:

that explains the 144mb/sec i was reading

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kormoc:

I love how amazingly on topic clever is

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clever:

hold on while i flush my caches:P

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clever:

there

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clever:

now im right back to the horid 2.7MB/s :P

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jadams_:

kormoc, I've got an on-topic question :)

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Kernel:

hehe. my laptop used to get 350kb/s across the lan...painfully flow

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directhex:

jadams_, purple.

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jadams_:

My channels are all named like 'Adding Channel 4' I know I've run into this before and fixed it, but I don't know how I did it. Anyone seen this?

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directhex:

jadams_, that's your on-topic answer.

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clever:

Kernel: ive set my laptop to route .1.60 out the ethernet port

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clever:

so it should get much more speed now

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kormoc:

jadams_, what's your guide source?

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clever:

10.1MB/s

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clever:

5 times faster then the wifi!

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jadams_:

kormoc, schedulesdirect

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jadams_:

but here's the situation...my listings changed overnight two nights ago

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kormoc:

so how'd you import the channels?

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jadams_:

kormoc, I set up my provider, then scanned channels

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kormoc:

why scan the channels?

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clever:

i thought channel scanning wasnt needed with schedules direct

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jadams_:

anyway, the listings change is the reason all the channels were off, then re-scanning the channels left them as "Adding channel 4"

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jadams_:

kormoc, becauseI didn't know any better

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Kernel:

clever: hmm what do you mean by u set it to route .1.60?

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase would have pulled it all down without scanning

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jadams_:

I just did a mythfilldatabase and didn't see the changes

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jadams_:

hence the scanning

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kormoc:

try deleteing all your channels and running mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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clever:

Kernel: i know how to use many of the things on the 'ip' program, so i can manualy route diff ip's out diff cards

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jadams_:

kormoc, thanks, I will

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clever:

Kernel: i simply redirected 192.168.1.60 out the ethernet card after seting up the right ip

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Kernel:

oh...ic.....so the 10.1MB/s was wired?

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clever:

yep

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clever:

and 2.7 for wifi

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