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Tuesday, August 12th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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t0ny-p40:

It worked fine with gentoo

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t0ny-p40:

what do you mean by un-screwed?

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directhex:

i mean you're not neccessarily fixing it properly

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directhex:

but, again, this is the kind of shit i really can't help with since i have better things to do with my life than use tv cards from the last millennium

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Dagmar:

Does the sound seem screwed up when you use TVTime?

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t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, no sound :/

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t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, its working.

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t0ny-p40:

Sounds ok.

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Dagmar:

So, sounds liks you should probably find the channel for your distribution and being troubleshooting your ALSA problem

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t0ny-p40:

ok thanks Dagmar

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my2keh:

yay new harmoney remote!

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wagnerrp:

logitech came out with a new one?

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wagnerrp:

or you just got one in the mail?

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my2keh:

well my current one broke

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my2keh:

and they'll be sending me a new one

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** J-e-f-f-A opens his new HD HomeRun ;-) **

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Ace2016_-:

J-e-f-f-A: does it work without a network connected?

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Ace2016_-:

oh and update the firmware

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ace2016_-: I'm back online... ;-)

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Ace2016_-:

not watching tv?

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kristok:

i just edited one of my listings in schedules direct to remove the pay-per-view channels

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kristok:

now is --do-channel-updates the option i want to use with mythfilldatabase

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kristok:

to remove them from the guide, etc?

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Dagmar:

Might work.

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Dagmar:

THe last time I did that i just took the lazy way out and deleted the channels entirely from Myth and then refreshed the whole thing as if I'd just installed.

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kristok:

i'm just making sure to avoid using the mythtv-setup channel editor

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Ace2016_-:

Anyone here record the cgi fireworks in the olympics?

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Ace2016_-:

i want to see it

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wagnerrp:

they really did the fireworks like that

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wagnerrp:

they just decided it wasnt worth trying to film

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wagnerrp:

well the pirates bay, has a huge 4hr 2GB recording

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wagnerrp:

but there doesnt seem to be anything easily accessible

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wagnerrp:

streaming sites seem to be afraid of NBC

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GreyFoxx:

yeah too dangerous for the helicopter to film

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wagnerrp:

i saw one ~100x60 thumbnail image

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wagnerrp:

it looked like the 'helicopter' was flying above and behind the feet?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

my 4 year old has been loving the swimming and gymnastics:)

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GreyFoxx:

her 2 favourite pasttimes :)

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wagnerrp:

i was flipping through the channels and was completely baffled by handball

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GreyFoxx:

in general I can't stand watching sports on tv, but I love watching the summer olympics for several of the sports

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wagnerrp:

oh, they have three steps per dribble

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wagnerrp:

im used to basketball, and that mechanic just made no sense

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wagnerrp:

they seems to be running all over and dribbling as they pleased

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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kristok:

so i removed a bunch of ppv channels from my schedules direct lineup, and ran mythfilldatabase with --do-channel-updates

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kristok:

but now i have a bunch of "NO DATA" for those channels

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clever:

you need to delete them in mythtv-setup also

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kristok:

bleh

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kristok:

i was trying to avoid that

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clever:

mythweb can also be used

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GreyFoxx:

why avoid it ?

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iamlindoro:

Because what fun would it be if everything just worked as expected? ;)

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kristok:

i recall it being painful to use last time

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GreyFoxx:

Nah, it's simple :)

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kristok:

so to remove a channel, i "disable" it from my schedules direct account, then delete it in mythtv-setup?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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kristok:

another channel question: what if my channel numbers have changed?

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kristok:

e.g. espn moved from channel 100 to 200

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GreyFoxx:

I just delete the old channel, and the ystem auto picks up the new

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Shadow__X:

well the beta drivers for the hvr-1600 def work

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Shadow__X:

:D

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Shadow__X:

can someone answer my questions about the devices that come up under the hvr1600 though

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Shadow__X:

it seems as if i would be able to record using composite while using analog due to the options

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Only if they're the same as the HD-1250... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Nope – 1600 can only use one tuner at a time.

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Shadow__X:

it can use analog and digital at the same time

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Shadow__X:

just not use component in and analog at the same time

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Shadow__X:

?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: The 1800 can use both analog and digital tuners at the same time. The 1600 can only use one at a time.

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sphery:

Wondering--while compiling a new kernel--whether to try upgrading from NVIDIA's 9755 drivers to 173.14.12 drivers...

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A, you know the 1600 has a mpeg encoder right

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Shadow__X:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support . . . tab=5#record

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Shadow__X:

according to that i can J-e-f-f-A

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wagnerrp:

yes it does, and it has two separate antenna inputs, so it would make sense that you can record both at the same time

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Shadow__X:

right wagnerrp but my question was can i use the composite input While using the others as well

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A is passing on bad info I gave him, which is in turn based on bad info I got, so it would be wiser to blame me for it than him :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: It's been discussed here that the 1600 can't tune both analog and digital at the same time, but the 1800 can... Try it, and let us know...

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 is a dual tuner, my 1250 is a hybrid tuner, i thought the 1600 was a dual tuner but i could be wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^oops, ok, I'm corrected... sorry iamlindoro .... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

its ok iamlindoro we all make mistakes

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Shadow__X:

;)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I was recently corrected about that, so had to update my answers on that one-- but it was mkrufky who corrected me, so I trust the info

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J-e-f-f-A:

So is the 1800 dual-digial????

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Shadow__X:

no

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: No no, it's I who should apologize, I had been assured it could not, but that turned out to be false, so sorry if it made you seem wrong, as it was my bad

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wagnerrp:

just dual tuner, analog and digital at the same time

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Shadow__X:

1800 is one analog one digital like the 1600

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Shadow__X:

the bigg diff between em is pciex

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh, 1800=PCIe... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

mhm

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is a dual hybrid tuner, two inputs of either analog or digital

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Shadow__X:

when that gets supported i am getting it

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Shadow__X:

:)

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Shadow__X:

i was just wondering if i could record off of the composite input while using the digital and anlog inputs because on the setup menu it says tuner1 svideo 1 2 composite 1 2

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No on that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: I'm already running a HVR-1250, so perhaps the 2250 is already supported???

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wagnerrp:

you only have one analog encoder

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wagnerrp:

so only one analog input at a time

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: no support on the 2250 yet

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Shadow__X:

ah ok wagnerrp just wanted to make sure

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Shadow__X:

thanks iamlindoro

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Shadow__X:

thanks wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: Yeah, it's the same as a PVR-150 in that respect, several inputs, can only use one at a time.. ;-)

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Shadow__X:

i wouldnt mind analog working fully in mythtv on the 1800 but patience is good too thats why i gots the 1600

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Freman:

So um, what's the name of that fantastic fella that provided us with patches for skipping dvd's to menu?

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Freman:

I just wanted to let him know I have found a situation that leads to.... interesting results :)

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tank-man:

skipping dvds to menu?

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tank-man:

dvd menu?

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Freman:

no, on play the dvd's skip to the menu – bypassing the propaganda

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Freman:

can't remmember the fellas name, but when combining the skip with the bookmark feature (Which is also admittedly experimental) you get amusing results

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Freman:

He was committing to 0.22 so I wanted to make sure he's thought of it first :)

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tjcarter:

so just wondering, is the Hauppauge USB AVC encoder considered a useful device yet?

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tjcarter:

Last I looked, it was "useful if you're working on the driver, otherwise not so much.."

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justinh:

tjcarter: I wouldn't say so yet, it's not as primitive as it was but it's not primetime material yet as far as I can tell

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^V^:

Hi, does anyone know why my backend log shows "MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback" every time my frontend starts? (it just sits on the menu. "playback" prevents idle shutdown)

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^V^:

I also get "TVRec(8) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'" Where is this default channel of 3 set?

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justinh:

it means the channel it's set to start on doesn't exist, which is exactly what it says

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^V^:

yes, but where does it get channel number 3 from?

[11:04:35]

^V^:

I don't remember setting any default channels...

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justinh:

the default setting is 3

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^V^:

justinh: how can I change it?

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justinh:

how can you stop mythbackend and run mythtv-setup?

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^V^:

I couldn't find it in mythtv-setup anywhere...

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justinh:

ORLY

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justinh:

it's in there

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^V^:

yes :(

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justinh:

oh yes it's in there

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^V^:

I'm sure you are right but I've just checked all the menu items 4 times and couldn't find it..

[11:07:58]

^V^:

I know there are "starting channel" entries for all of the inputs...

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^V^:

none of them are/were set to 3

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justinh:

you don't geddit

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justinh:

the channel it is currently set to start on DOES NOT EXIST

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justinh:

so whatever you've set it to start on.. there's a problem with that

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^V^:

Hm...

[11:10:16]

** justinh decides mythtv can't have any more new users. so there **

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^V^:

I've got 2 cards (both analog + digital). The first has DVB and ANALOG inputs mapped, the second only has the digital mapped. All of the other inputs (analogue for card 2 and all component/s-video) set to none

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^V^:

Is that a problem?

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^V^:

Out of all the inputs that I have actually got mapped, I'm able to watch the channels that are set as "starting channel" so I'm not sure where the problem is...

[11:16:42]

^V^:

justinh: Why would the frontend simply starting try to switch channels anyway? That is confusing. I'm not trying to watch anything at the moment...

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directhex:

switch from nothing to something?

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^V^:

directhex: why should it switch to anything if I haven't selected "Watch TV" ?

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directhex:

you're not recording anything at all?

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^V^:

nope

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justinh:

maybe nothing at all is being recorded because the channels/video sources are screwed up ;)

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justinh:

maybe it's time to start again

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^V^:

justinh: when I set it to record, it works just fine.

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^V^:

It's just that whenever the frontend pops up, it automatically makes the backend enter "playback" mode, thereby causing my shutdown process to abort

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^V^:

For example:

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^V^:

2008-08–12 21:31:44.845 I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 30 seconds.

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^V^:

2008-08–12 21:32:07.776 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback

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^V^:

I don't get any more shutdown notifications from that point onwards

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^V^:

playback blocks any attempts to shutdown

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justinh:

maybe it's more a case of a frontend being connected which prevents shutdown

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justinh:

resistance is futile. stop trying to save the planet :D

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laga:

yeah, right

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laga:

i don'

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laga:

t think it'll shut down if a frontend is connected

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laga:

can someone recommend a GPS data logger? ;)

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justinh:

bluetooth GPS module & a laptop with bluetooth dongle?

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^V^:

There is an option to block shutdown until a frontend connects but that is off

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laga:

justinh: not exactly usable for biking in the woods

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^V^:

so I assume it should shutdown anyway

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laga:

no, it doesn't

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laga:

in fact, i'd be *really* annoyed if it shut down while a frontend was connected

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justinh:

laga: AFAIK just about any portable (personal) GPS will do that

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^V^:

laga: this is a mixed frontend/backend

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^V^:

I do want it to shut down unless something is recording or live TV is on

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laga:

^V^: take a look at mythwelcome

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laga:

it'll probably do what you want

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^V^:

I'm a little confused.... what is the point of mythwelcome? It seems to have the same functionality that is already built into mythfrontend/mythbackend (startup/shutdown commands, etc)...

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laga:

it's basically a nice GUI that'll start just sit there if the frontend isn't started

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laga:

and you can start the frontend by pushing a button there.

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^V^:

laga: but I generally *do* want the frontend to be started...

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laga:

^V^: i think it can detect if it's started automatically or not and start the frontend accordingly.

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laga:

i haven't used it for a long time, so i don't remember the details

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^V^:

Does anyone know where the default frontend state change gets set? (what causes MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback to occur as soon as the frontend is started?)

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^V^:

in the code I mean...

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^V^:

Thanks everyone for your help. I'll continue another day.

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liri:

a shot in the dark... any ideas if this infra red device would work ok with lirc? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5510

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

it's IrDA. IrDA does not work with remote control transmitters or receivers

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liri:

justinh: ahh thanks

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justinh:

"Please note that for technical reasons it's not possible to use USB IrDA dongles with LIRC" – from www.lirc.org

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liri:

justinh: but some usb ir interfaces are ok

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justinh:

MCE remote kits are well known to work well with lirc

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liri:

yeah but I only need the infra red device, no remote

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justinh:

bad news

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justinh:

USB IR receivers are generally limited to the remote that comes with them, so unless you have a programmable remote which can emulate the original kit remote, you're screwed

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mookid:

if i'm thinking about using ubuntu what are some good options in terms of main board? Can I get a blu-ray player working?

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mookid:

are there any main boards that have sufficient on board graphics for all mythtv goodness?

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mookid:

+ HDTV outputs obviously

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justinh:

blu-ray no work on linux

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justinh:

and so long as whatever onboard video you choose has Xv supported in its linux driver, you're good

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justinh:

common sense

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Sulx:

does anyone have flexcop type dvb-c card? and had problems with dvb frontend detection?

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mookid:

no bluray.. boo! :(

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justinh:

eew hardware PID filtering. yucky. FF cards :(

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justinh:

mookid: bluray needs windows. rip on windows, decripple.. then copy to linux & play. no way around it. go moan to the bluray org

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mookid:

what a cunch of bunts

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liri:

who cares about blu ray

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mookid:

I do since I paid a fair wack for HD

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liri:

vivo videos are the last work these days

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liri:

lol

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cynicismic:

the blu man group

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liri:

now that's some old school stuff

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justinh:

vivo. rofl

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liri:

those were the days eh justinh?

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justinh:

if it wasn't for them there'd be no realplayer :P

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liri:

heh yeah

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liri:

I can't remember, was there anything before that?

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mookid:

the big bang?

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liri:

haha

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mookid:

?

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mookid:

So.. I'm wading through all the mini ATX boards looking for something suitable with onboard sound and a few SATA ports and crap

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mookid:

and onboard graphics if you guys think I can run everything ok with that

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mookid:

what about HDMI support on linux, what's the deal there?

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justinh:

onboard Intel is fine, as is Nvidia

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mookid:

probably go nvidia route

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justinh:

HDMI is just a connector

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justinh:

it's only dvi-d with digital audio on there

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mookid:

ok

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sid3windr:

vivo heh

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mookid:

so I need a mini ATX board that has dvi-d, or is hdmi still an option?

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cynicismic:

you won't find one with that

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cynicismic:

if you want hdmi, best to get a low-end nvidia with dvi out and get a hdmi converter

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mookid:

ok, thanks for that

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sid3windr:

uhm

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sid3windr:

http://shopper.cnet.com/motherboards/asus-m2a . . . 2366452.html <- hdmi

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sid3windr:

or if you want an intel board, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127009 <- hdmi

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sid3windr:

or do you really want a mini atx instead of micro? :)

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mookid:

probably want a micro

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mookid:

just being a spacker :)

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justinh:

if you get one with dvi out, you won't get audio into your HDMI equipped tv

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Sulx:

m2n-vm hdmi works fine

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cynicismic:

ooh and it's got spdiff as well

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mookid:

que?

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justinh:

ignore -replies ^V^

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justinh:

oops. fucking pinger

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mookid:

ok so what inputs should my TV have that will produce the best 'quality'?

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justinh:

HDMI

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mookid:

incase you havent noticed I know sweet f'all about media hardware :)

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justinh:

the next question will be.. how do you get HDTV into your mythtv box.

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cynicismic:

spdif > digital audio out for connection to a amp/reciever

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justinh:

and if you're in the UK that means you need a satellite dish unless you're one of those naughty bastards who download everything

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justinh:

*a satellite dish to be able to receive one of the THREE HDTV channels. Yes I said THREE. As many as that

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justinh:

*one of which is only on air about 8 hours a day & shows lots of repeats

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mookid:

actually I'm looking at normal sky for the moment, I just dont want to have to buy more crap later on =)

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justinh:

oh well. with sky you can forget about mythtv then

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justinh:

you can't capture pay satellite tv in mythtv directly. not under the terms of a Sky contract

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justinh:

you *can* however use an analogue capture card & record from the SCART output of a SKy box, but you need an IR blaster – oh and that means need a STB, analogue capture device and IR blaster per Shy channel you want to record at the same time

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sid3windr:

heh

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justinh:

so with say one analogue tuner plugged into a sky box, you can watch and/or record one channel – and that'll tie up that sky box. no watching anything else unless it's already been recorded

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justinh:

wanna record/watch 2 things from Sky at the same time? that'll be two sky boxes (2 subscriptions too!), two analogue capture cards, two IR blasters

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mookid:

Intel / AMD ?

[13:20:02]

mookid:

that's a bit poo about the fecking sky probloads

[13:20:08]

mookid:

what a bad of monkey flange

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mookid:

bag*

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mookid:

I'm not too worried about it though since the main reason for the purchase is an integrated TV / music / internet / gaming environment

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justinh:

well, if you're that set on the Sky part of it, less of the integrated :P

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mookid:

aHA!

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mookid:

interesting

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justinh:

and as far as games are concerned.. games.. on linux? lol

[13:23:03]

mookid:

well you know

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mookid:

for the mrs

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justinh:

internet, on tv? lol

[13:23:14]

mookid:

? >.>

[13:23:27]

justinh:

scroll down

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mookid:

why the feck can't I have internet on me tv?

[13:23:31]

justinh:

scroll down some more

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justinh:

scroll down some more

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justinh:

keep scrolling

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justinh:

scroll down some more

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justinh:

^^^ the internet on TV, as viewed from a comfy chair

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directhex:

justinh, have you bought (snicker) Opera for Wii?

[13:24:06]

justinh:

can't be arsed

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mookid:

mate I've got an eee pc

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mookid:

don't talk to me abuot screen real estate

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justinh:

she's played on it since she bought it. I haven't

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justinh:

I'm not your fucking mate. god that annoys the fuck out of me

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mookid:

doesn't opera come with the wii out of the box?

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mookid:

from what I heard you dont have to pay for it

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justinh:

you do

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cynicismic:

:) dual 24@1920x1200 + dual 17@1280x1024 :)

[13:25:15]

justinh:

it costs 500 wii points

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mookid:

wii points

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mookid:

pfff

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directhex:

the ps3 has a built-in browser

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justinh:

you can earn 'stars' from registering products with them but the exchange rate changed

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directhex:

opera for wii was free for a few months as a special incentive to buy wiis

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mookid:

fucking nintendorks

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mookid:

I FERT in your jenerul direckshon

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directhex:

justinh, and they added an expiry date

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justinh:

did they? not arsed

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directhex:

justinh, most of my balance, collected over the past 6 years or so, vanished overnight

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directhex:

justinh, oh, and they ony ever have 30 of any physical item for all of europe

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justinh:

so wii points are as worthless as they sound then :D

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mookid:

do you know what annoys the fuck out of me – people who feel the need to waste theirs, and other people's lives about what annoys them

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mookid:

and hypocrites

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mookid:

and people who can't spell

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tjcarter:

justinh: okay, I'll keep waiting for it to mature =)

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tjcarter:

justinh: I intent not to make the PVR-500 mistake again

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justinh:

don't forget people who use the wrong 'there/their/they're'. should be punishable by death IMHO

[13:28:21]

tjcarter:

(For some, the PVR-500 is STILL not reliable on the second tuner)

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justinh:

awww. can somebody care about the poor pvr-500 owners please?

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mookid:

how big is your beard justinh ?

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mookid:

you sound gandolfian

[13:29:22]

justinh:

heh

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mookid:

oh oh sorry

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mookid:

you *read*

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directhex:

justinh has a ZZ-top beard, and moon boots

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mookid:

gandolfian

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mookid:

ZZ-Top is the shit lol

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mookid:

used to listen to the LP with the car on the front

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directhex:

that's ALL he wears, of course. a zz-top beard and moon boots

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justinh:

nah I'm just a grumpy old tosser

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mookid:

I gathered

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mookid:

>.>

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justinh:

linux does that to people

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mookid:

windows xp all the way

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mookid:

...

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justinh:

well, either that or they turn into grinning, happy-clappy advocates. I don't know which is worse yet

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mookid:

I do

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mookid:

the fucking hippies

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mookid:

god damn those smug, gormless wankers

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mookid:

with their stupid free kernel updates ever 10 minutes

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justinh:

so, I told it like it is & now you're pissed off. Sorry about that

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mookid:

fuck you hippy

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justinh:

rofl

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mookid:

:D

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mookid:

i'm joking btw i'm on nix

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justinh:

you can get lotion for that

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mookid:

excellent

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justinh:

I did try mythbrowser once. got sore thumbs from all the scrolling

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justinh:

the difference with an eee & its ilk is that while the screen res is similar to what you get on a telly, you're up close so can read the teeny tiny text without binoculars ;)

[13:37:21]

justinh:

and on HDTVs.. so fine you can render 2 point text but can you read that from your comfy chair?

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justinh:

ow jesus. somebody on the -users list is asking if the menus can have main items vertically but submenu items going horizontally. Like Vista MCE. Bleugh

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justinh:

glad that'll be impossible even with mythui

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sid3windr:

lol

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directhex:

justinh, see also: "xmb" interface on modern sony kit

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justinh:

tiny fonts are the new prerequisite I see. 10 inch UI

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Gnea:

Hi, I am having a terrible time trying to get any video output from my PVR-350 card. It just won't work. I have something hooked up to the coax on the card and i know it's working because it outputs to a regular tv just fine.. but mythtv simply refuses to show anything other than a snow-screen. How can I fix this?

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justinh:

remember when TVs that weren't tuned to a station would just show snow?

[14:33:03]

justinh:

I think a similar thing is going on here. it's not tuned into a TV station

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Gnea:

well if i press any numbers, it won't tune

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justinh:

channels are set up in mythtv-setup. if you're not using schedulesdirect to get your programme guide data you probably have to enter each channel's frequency information yourself

[14:34:25]

Gnea:

it just does... nothing

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Gnea:

but there are no channels with this configuration, it's just a vcr

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justinh:

mythtv == pvr != VCR

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Gnea:

so it should just be set to channel 3

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Gnea:

correct.

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justinh:

no channels, no mythtv

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Gnea:

...

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Gnea:

so how do i set a channel? i've run mythtv-setup several times now

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Gnea:

everytime i try to move the configuration thing for setting the channel, it does nothing

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GreyFoxx:

You must have a video source (really it's programming data source defined). then you goto the channel edit, pick the source, and add a channel

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GreyFoxx:

then enter the info

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GreyFoxx:

if you have a source of prgramming data such as xmltv or schedulesdirect it will fill all that in for you

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: in Europe nobody gets the frequency data

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justinh:

you either have to scan, or else you need to *know*

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Gnea:

well, this isn't EU

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GreyFoxx:

welll that makes sense since you are mostly digital and the providers move stuff around a lot

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GreyFoxx:

gnea: where are you located ?

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Gnea:

US

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GreyFoxx:

on, then what I said applies

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justinh:

in a place where there's no mythtv documentation by the look of things

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GreyFoxx:

gnea: If you are not going to use a xmltv grabber or schedulesdirect you are giong to have to enter it manually

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Gnea:

GreyFoxx: we're not hooking any external cable up to it

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GreyFoxx:

or try a channel scan and see what happens

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GreyFoxx:

gnea: then you will only need to setup 1 channel then :)

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justinh:

if you're looking to use mythtv as a vcr you're going to end up quite bitterly disappointed

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justinh:

by that I mean, if you're aiming to digitise camcorder or old VHS tapes. it won't make that job very easy at all

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Gnea:

justinh: negative, i've done this before, it works just fine.. once it's actually setup

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justinh:

your funeral

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Gnea:

what sort of help channel is this??

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Gnea:

my funeral?

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justinh:

it's an expression.

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justinh:

like it's your own time you're wasting

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justinh:

it's your money, etc

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directhex:

mythtv is a PVR. trying to use it as something it's not is unproductive.

[14:44:46]

Gnea:

i'm here to get help to get it setup and working, your opinion on how it's being used doesn't count and is not necessary.

[14:45:12]

justinh:

you're missing out setup stages, trying to read between the lines & failing

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GreyFoxx:

"add the card, define a video source, add a channel , assign video source to card input you want"

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GreyFoxx:

done

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justinh:

FWIW, if you have a PVR card you can just cat /dev/video0 to a file

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GreyFoxx:

and restart mnythbackend if it's running

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justinh:

easier than all the messing around

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GreyFoxx:

if you are just digitizing stuff from avcr then the cat /dev/video0 approach is simple with the right capture card

[14:46:44]

Gnea:

oh wait, i just got it working

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Gnea:

thanks guys

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justinh:

assuming, that is – that you've actually connected the card properly & set the right input. Capturing via RF is not the best way for VHS or camcorder stuff

[14:47:24]

Gnea:

what would be the 'best' way?

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justinh:

direct video input via composite or svideo

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GreyFoxx:

Svideo/composite

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GreyFoxx:

the visual quality is much better

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justinh:

you get stereo audio that way too

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Gnea:

i've tried that, can't seem to get it to work right

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justinh:

RF is only mono & the video quality sucks compared to svideo

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justinh:

it's worth going to the effort

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justinh:

plug the video into the pvr card, audio into the pvr card. select the correct input & away you go

[14:50:03]

justinh:

in mythtv if the input is assigned to a 'video source' you're good to go

[14:50:17]

laga:

in theory, at least. i think one of my pvr 250 is actually busted :(

[14:50:24]

justinh:

if all you're using is cat, then v4l2ctl is your friend

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justinh:

might aswell say this for the hell of it – and if you're even thinking about capturing from a _digital_ camcorder without using firewire.... (!)

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justinh:

seen that one crop up on forums

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Gnea:

nope :)

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justinh:

last time I spoke to my dad he was asking about how to digitise his camcorder tapes (analogue hi8) via his PC. told him just to use his standalone dvd recorder instead. OH YEAH

[14:55:25]

justinh:

better quality than any shitty pc tuner card

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justinh:

WAY less hassle too

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justinh:

doesn't work with macrovision protected stuff though :P But then DVDs are horrendously cheap now & it doesn't make sense to spend hours capturing if the DVD's available

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Gnea:

well, getting the whole s-video and rca jacks for the audio to work on this just... doesn't work

[14:57:11]

Gnea:

only /dev/video0 actually produces anything that works

[14:57:26]

Gnea:

everything else comes through looking/sounding garbled

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justinh:

/dev/video0 is the output of the mpeg encoder on the pvr350

[14:57:57]

Gnea:

/dev/video16–48 do nothing useful then?

[14:57:59]

justinh:

you need to tell the card to switch its input over to the right source using the v4l2ctl command. it used to be ivtvctl

[14:58:02]

justinh:

no

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Gnea:

ah

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justinh:

whether you use composite/svideo or the onboard tuner it's ALL /dev/video0

[14:58:41]

justinh:

or you set mythtv up to use a different input than the tuner in mythtv-setup

[14:59:15]

justinh:

ah indeed. interesting concept you had there ;)

[14:59:21]

Gnea:

lol

[15:01:16]

justinh:

all the VHS I've ever grabbed has gone through a digital camcorder. no messing around. editing software cuts it into scenes automagically.. looks great. no use if your 'corder doesn't have analogue-in though :P

[15:01:51]

Gnea:

well, i don't have the luxury of using a digicam at the moment :)

[15:01:53]

justinh:

DV is less lossy than mpeg2, too :)

[15:02:16]

Gnea:

however, i've been considering looking into those... what would you recommend?

[15:02:51]

justinh:

recommend reading a lot of reviews & having a serious think about the features you need

[15:03:13]

justinh:

wtf? "Reporter Lesley Ashmall got a rare chance to go underground to see at first hand Beijing's network of subterranean tunnels". Rare chance my eye. they were open to the public last time I was in Beijing

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iamlindoro_:

It's a bit late in the game to think of adopting DV if you're buying new. The new AVCHD cams are getting cheap and look fan-fucking-tastic

[15:03:50]

Gnea:

it's never too late

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: well, apart from massive generational losses in editing

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Gnea:

justinh: what brand/make/model would you recommend for doing some serious vhs->dvd conversion?

[15:05:07]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: iMovie will edit the material losslessly AFAIK

[15:05:10]

justinh:

any old model with analogue input

[15:05:48]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah but any decent home movie needs fades, titles etc to liven it up. those aren't gonna be lossless

[15:05:55]

iamlindoro_:

True that

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iamlindoro_:

That's the case regardless of format though, no?

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justinh:

and most domestic camcorders need colour correction etc

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justinh:

Sony's DV codec is pretty shit-hot actually

[15:07:08]

justinh:

and 2 generations of a jpeg look better than 2nd gen. mpeg4 ;)

[15:07:43]

justinh:

maybe AVCHD is better than 'regular' mpeg for that.

[15:08:01]

justinh:

anyway it's what puts me off getting a HDD/card based camcorder

[15:08:39]

iamlindoro_:

http://gallery.me.com/r.mcnamara#100000

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iamlindoro_:

That's a bit of a download, and only 540p, but I was fairly happy w/ the results

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iamlindoro_:

my shaky hands aside

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justinh:

oh crap even vegas will only import AVCHD

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justinh:

ahh vegas converts to cineform on the way in, making it possible to edit & still get reasonable performance.

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GreyFoxx:

iamlin: What kind of dog is that ?

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justinh:

LOL even when NTSC is dead as a dodo you still get pictures with a yellow tinge.

[15:16:25]

Fremean:

hey gbee.

[15:16:31]

Fremean:

I got some news on that patch :)

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Freman:

grr

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I'll have a proper look when I get home

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Freman:

I found a way to crash it rather amusingly

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: She's just a mutt :)

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justinh:

awww

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iamlindoro_:

Good girl, though, and smart. It's been about a year since then, she sort of shaped up to look a bit like a 60 pound red german shepherd

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justinh:

still think it looks like NTSC colours though

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Dibblah:

Now that's an *annoying* PSU. Draw less than 60w and it's 5v rail drops below 4.1v.

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Freman:

gbee: incase you get this when I've gone to sleep. Turn on the experimental jump to menu patch, turn on the experimentla bookmark feature for dvd's, bookmark, quit, then go back :)

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iamlindoro_:

Probably could have used better editing than I am capable of-- definitely not where my expertise lies

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Dibblah:

... At which point the laptop hard drive I'm using stops.

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** justinh hands dibblah a power resistor **

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Dibblah:

Yeah, because I historically make a habit of wasting energy ;)

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justinh:

to hell with the grandkids' planet, that's what I say

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gbee:

Freman: ahh, never tested it with the DVD bookmarking since it didn't exist when I wrote the patch

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Dibblah:

65w draw @ the wall with no real tweaking, though.

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Dibblah:

So not as bad as I was expecting for a "mainstream" solution.

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justinh:

btw gbee I see now how icon based menus are going to be tricky. yowser

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Shadow__X:

Dibblah, 45 watt amd dual core?

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Shadow__X:

that would be better

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gbee:

might keep buttondefs for icons, it's less flexible but at least it works

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justinh:

oh another thing.. is there a visiblerowlimit still ?

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Freman:

gbee: yeh, figured as much, the solution is probably just checking to see if there's a bookmark set before jumping to menu – it doesn't phase me, I just turned off the bookmarking for now (was going to take a look at the source later this week)

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gbee:

no – the number of visisble rows/columns depends on the the buttonitem area and buttonarea

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gbee:

so a buttonarea of height 230 with buttons 50 high would equal four buttons visible

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J-e-f-f-A_:

lkdjf

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gbee:

with 30 to spare ;)

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Dibblah:

Shadow__X: This is a 45nm (I assume that's what you mean) core2.

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Dibblah:

The motherboard draws more than the CPU.

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Dibblah:

And the PSU losses are nasty.

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justinh:

gbee: figures :)

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Shadow__X:

ah Dibblah i thought you whalking about that old machine stillere t

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gbee:

you have to account for <spacing> too

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justinh:

I think I might even have been consulted about it & said I didn't care if the button area was defined like that – which is actually the case

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justinh:

maybe the menu layouts need playing with too – no way any onscreen menu should have more than 8 items anyway IMHO

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gbee:

it might look pretty scary, but buttonlist(2) is immensely versatile and I've tried to keep it as simple as possible without sacrificing that

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justinh:

I'll make some notes that might help feemers make the transition

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justinh:

.. even if they ARE fans of Batman

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gbee:

currently buttonlist has no way of mimicking the <buttonspread> option, I'm working on that, basically allows the buttons to fill the available space if there are less than the maximum displayed

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gbee:

there shouldn't be any need for stuff like blank spacing images, or even images with blank areas, which cuts down on memory usage

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justinh:

yeah I noticed there's no need for blank button images now

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gbee:

oh ffs, why does this machine keep locking up?

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** gbee thinks he'll have to consider replacing it **

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jduggan_:

how long does it take to rip a dvd to xvid/divx?

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jduggan_:

ball park

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jduggan_:

dualcore 2.0ghz

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justinh:

depends on the encoder

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justinh:

if it's not multicpu enabled, looooooooooooong time :)

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justinh:

AFAIK mythdvd isn't multithread-able

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tank-man:

jduggan_, 1hr30min would be my guess

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jduggan_:

shit

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jduggan_:

i've got 4 seasons of $SOMETHING borrowed to me

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jduggan_:

its like nearly 8 discs per season

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jduggan_:

that i want to copy so i can give back

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jduggan_:

:\

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tank-man:

well you can just copy to your hdd now and encode later

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tank-man:

copying will be lilke 10–15min

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jduggan_:

yea like 32 dvds is alot of disk space :)

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jduggan_:

hopefully some of them are just extras

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andreax:

The Firework at the Olympic Opening was a fake? What a joke...

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SHADOW__X:

hmm is there good air movement in the case gbee

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gbee:

yep, it didn't look right to me, but then that just made it more spectacular

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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gbee:

SHADOW__X: not around the video card heatsink

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gbee:

andreax: too good to be true :(

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

40mm fan?

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SHADOW__X:

i know those things arent the biggest

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andreax:

gbee: I also wonder if this is only a rumor...

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gbee:

no, it was confirmed

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andreax:

crazy...

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gbee:

apparently the American broadcasters actually admitted it on-air while it was broadcasting, but it wasn't said in the UK or other countries >:(

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andreax:

They shiftet it to primetime I heard?

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gbee:

they were concerned that it couldn't be filmed properly from the air, so to guarentee results they faked it with CGI instead

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andreax:

But that lights the whole opening in a different light... :(

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iamlindoro_:

Evidently the people in attendance saw the real thing, however

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iamlindoro_:

ie, it actually happened IRL, it just wasn't filmed/broadcast

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GreyFoxx:

It was also too dangerous for the helicopter

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt you wanna be up in the air with explosives and dogs of "bits" flying around

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GreyFoxx:

err gobs of bits

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andreax:

hmm. If the helicopter can see them inside the dust... :)

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gbee:

they blasted dogs into the air? Bastards!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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andreax:

hrhr

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GreyFoxx:

well they were forcibly taken off menus for the duratioon of the olympics :)

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andreax:

Or relabeled it... :)

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah

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andreax:

Sure, this is chicken... hrhrhr

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andreax1:

Damn isp... grmbl....

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gbee:

feck, no-one is selling the motherboard I bought for my fe/be anymore, I really wanted to get a second

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gbee:

and the average price of AM2(+) boards has gone up

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jduggan_:

ebay?

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jduggan_:

:|

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gbee:

oo, Dabs have it's sister model – the one without HDMI, which is fine

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gbee:

still £4 more and that doesn't include delivery :(

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andycaz:

I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" and im unable to connect to database with mythtv-setup. My user is in mythtv group and I'm using the right password, even tried setting a different password with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common", but still the same. Im using ubuntu 8.04 hardy with all the latest updates

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andycaz:

Fresh install too...

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, if anyone's in the market for an HDHomeRun, looks like one can be had for $140 today

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justinh:

selling yours already eh?

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justinh:

gbee: don't forget scan have free del. with avforum membership

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justinh:

avsforum? hmmm anyway

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, no, but looks like newegg has a dealie going on

[17:18:51]

justinh:

andreax1: not only were the fireworks CGI, the singing girl was miming to somebody else singing

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gbee:

justinh: not forgotton, they just don't have any boards matching what I'm looking for at a price which makes free delivery a good deal :)

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justinh:

ah fairy snuff

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gbee:

I might have to start looking at other manufacturers though

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iamlindoro_:

My new project is moving everything into a closet, and consolidating pretty much everything to lower power usage as much as possible-- but wiring through my walls is going to be painful-- no attic or cellar, and firebreaks horizontally through the walls every few feet

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andycaz:

could someone help me with the mysql database error?

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gbee:

what I'd really like is a MATX board with 3 or more PCI slots, but that seems like an impossible request

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justinh:

not until we have info about what the error is!

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andycaz:

justinh: I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" and im unable to connect to database with mythtv-setup. My user is in mythtv group and I'm using the right password, even tried setting a different password with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common", but still the same. Im using ubuntu 8.04 hardy with all the latest updates

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iamlindoro_:

The erro is "ERROR: User doesn't understand MySQL/read docs"

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justinh:

andycaz: MYSQL password, not linux password

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andycaz:

I am using the mysql password...... The one i set with sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common

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andycaz:

Im using this syntax: mysql -u mythtv -pmypassword mythconverg

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justinh:

well, maybe find any occurrences of mysql.txt & config.xml – make sure they have the correct details

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justinh:

if you can manually connect to the database.. have you checked that?

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andycaz:

justinh: yes, i have already checked the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt – its the same one im using in my syntax

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justinh:

and that works? or no?

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andycaz:

justinh: I just told you, i cant – the syntax i wrote above

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andycaz:

No

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justinh:

you said nothing about trying it manually

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andycaz:

i used that syntax in my vt

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justinh:

well, I'm done

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andycaz:

No ideas?

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justinh:

I didn't say that

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andycaz:

Ive also tried to purge my installation but it still remembers all my mysql passwords and users (mythtv-setup)

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justinh:

what I always do is take the bull by the horns & set the mysql passwords myself

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justinh:

no need to rely on any scripts & it removes the guesswork

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andycaz:

justinh: Ive set the root password myself, ive set the mythtv user's password myself

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andycaz:

What else can i do?

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andycaz:

i can log in fine with root, with mythtv it gives me access denied

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justinh:

can you get into the db as root?

[17:27:16]

justinh:

maybe the problem is one of not granting access to mythconverg then

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andycaz:

when trying to access mythconverg with root it gives me: "ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'"

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andycaz:

But i cant even log in with mythtv user

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justinh:

so you have 2 problems

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justinh:

mythconverg no existy

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justinh:

and mythtv user's password is still wrong

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andycaz:

it is not wrong, it is right...

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andycaz:

There must be some other mixup

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justinh:

it can't be right if it's not working

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andycaz:

Its a freshly installed ubuntu... sigh

[17:30:00]

justinh:

but then if mythconverg doesn't exist, that is never going to help matters

[17:30:07]

andycaz:

I mean. It was wrong from the start...

[17:30:51]

andycaz:

so maybe its mysql thing? Can i just reinstall mysql without f-ing anything else up?

[17:30:56]

justinh:

does ubuntu's mythtv installer now ask you what you want the mythtv mysql user's password to be?

[17:31:08]

justinh:

or is it still doing that mad randomising thing?

[17:31:24]

justinh:

reinstalling will achieve nothing

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justinh:

this is what I hate about package scripts that try to do everything for users. anybody who slips through the net is screwed

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justinh:

as root, create the database mythconverg. the package stuff should already have done that but hey ho

[17:32:57]

andycaz:

It told me i needed to be in mythtv group, so it added me, i relogged and even rebooted. Then i checked – yes i was in the group. Then it had set the default password, i checked the password from mysql.txt and tried to use it – nothing... I set it myself- nothing again...

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justinh:

it told you your linux user had to be in the mythtv group

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andycaz:

it is

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andycaz:

I was = linux user was

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justinh:

IIRC it also sets up a mysql user called mythtv, with a random password it tells you. said password is stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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justinh:

if there is no password on the root mysql user it also asks if you'd like to set one IIRC

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justinh:

change the mysql password for the mythtv mysql user manually

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justinh:

look in the mysql docs to find out how to do that

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andycaz:

i dont have mysql user

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andycaz:

I have my own user, and it is in mysql group

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justinh:

not a mysql LINUX USER

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justinh:

there are linux users with linux passwords

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andycaz:

yes – i meant to say mythtv user....

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andycaz:

sigh

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justinh:

say what you mean please

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justinh:

anyway, I think your best course of action will be to make sure you know the mythtv MYSQL user's password – the best way to do that is to set it yourself manually via mysql commands

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andycaz:

i dont know mysql that much

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justinh:

neither did I. but I did know how to read

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justinh:

hmm come to think about it I didn't know ANY mysql 4 years ago

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andycaz:

And i know that i usually f*** things up when i try to solve them on my own... just like now

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justinh:

I'm wondering how it came to pass that the mythconverg database doesnt exist if you still have mythtv installed

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andycaz:

ahh fucking hell

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andycaz:

I installed it thorugh syntaptic now

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kormoc:

DROP DATABASE mythconverg?

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kormoc:

(don't do it if you want your data...)

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andycaz:

And it reported errors about connecting to the mysql with root rights, i think its because ive set my own password for root??

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andycaz:

I cant copy the text either... which is annoying

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andycaz:

ill see if it gives same output in vt

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** justinh hands andycaz a mythbuntu CD **

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz: doesnt know how to accept

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andycaz:

Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1. Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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andycaz:

and also this: adduser: Warning: The home directory `/home/mythtv' does not belong to the user you are currently creating.

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz try using it WITH a password

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thedarkone:

andycaz might be easier with a mythbuntu cd

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andycaz:

using what?

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz: i know mysql and linux and i took the easy way out

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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thedarkone:

you doing it manual

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andycaz:

Why would i bother installing a seperate distro just for one package thedarkone?

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andycaz:

I dont give up yet

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justinh:

if you have a root mysql password, enter it here:

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justinh:

remember seeing something akin to that?

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thedarkone:

well mythbuntu i used it took me 10 mins and i was up

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SHADOW__X:

same thing here

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SHADOW__X:

i did mythbuntu and i was way surprised how quickly i had it finished

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thedarkone:

yeah

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thedarkone:

remote every thing worked

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SHADOW__X:

alittle disappointed but then i was having issues with my tv tuners so i had a smile again

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thedarkone:

yeah

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thedarkone:

well i did one i had a problem with my dvb-s

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thedarkone:

some one told me to use mythbuntu

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SHADOW__X:

i like having the issues to be honest

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thedarkone:

so i did

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SHADOW__X:

hey mkrufky

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** mkrufky growls **

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andycaz:

But so the root of my issue is this: Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1

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** SHADOW__X scratches mkrufky's tummy **

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andycaz:

What can i do about it?

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SHADOW__X:

there there

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thedarkone:

shadow i still tring to figure out mythmusic write audio cd

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mkrufky:

honestly... i answer a question for somebody and then im pinged every day thereafter

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mkrufky:

i might have to stop answering questions

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SHADOW__X:

thedarkone: i bought another tuner to fix my issue

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thedarkone:

cool

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SHADOW__X:

mkrufky: i am just saying hi i dont have to be polite

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mkrufky:

hehe ok, SHADOW__X

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: i had bugs filed against me today and im cranky

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright i gotcha

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SHADOW__X:

i wouldnt be happy either

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SHADOW__X:

well just know that you did good work with other stuff

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SHADOW__X:

:)

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mkrufky:

i want to bitch and moan about it, but im not supposed to reveal my customer.... so... anyway

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright gotcha

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SHADOW__X:

i need to watch more of my recordings its filling up too fast

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thedarkone:

lol

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thedarkone:

i put in my box 14 tbs

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SHADOW__X:

i have to say the analog quality of the hvr-1600 is pretty nice

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SHADOW__X:

14TB?

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thedarkone:

terabytes

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andycaz:

Someone? Help me with the "Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1" issue

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SHADOW__X:

well mister money bags

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz you need to use a password

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andycaz:

im using a password for root user

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andycaz:

mysql user

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SHADOW__X:

if you where it wouldnt say using password : NO

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thedarkone:

shadow a friend of mine gave them to me

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SHADOW__X:

pretty nice friend ya got there

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thedarkone:

yeah i hook him up all the time

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SHADOW__X:

when i move in with my buddy i think i am going to get them to invest in more space

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thedarkone:

hard drives are cheap

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thedarkone:

1 tb is 119.00

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SHADOW__X:

heh justinh

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i know i just spend a good deal of money though

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SHADOW__X:

my budget isnt big

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thedarkone:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

i pretty recently bought a hvr-1800 and a 1600

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thedarkone:

i built this one really nice

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SHADOW__X:

ah i have those and a 750 in there

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SHADOW__X:

pretty nice

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thedarkone:

cool

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thedarkone:

i only use sat

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz use a password and itll work

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SHADOW__X:

ah what sat provder

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thedarkone:

dish and bev and gc

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SHADOW__X:

i also dont want to have to have a box for every tuner

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SHADOW__X:

bev and gc?

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, but I used a wrong password and it still doesn't work!

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thedarkone:

yes

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thedarkone:

expressvu and globecast

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SHADOW__X:

kormoc: well maybe if you keep trying to connect that will resolve itself

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

europe?

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thedarkone:

no us

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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thedarkone:

usa

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SHADOW__X:

riht

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thedarkone:

globcast is usa

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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thedarkone:

expressvu is canada

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thedarkone:

i have a account with all them

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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andycaz:

I resetted my root password to none and reinstalled, it seemed to have worked, the db is now there and i can finally access it with mysql -u mythtv -pmypass mythconverg syntax – BUT can i set my root pass back to something else without fucking everything else up?

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andycaz:

Shouldnt affect anything now, no?

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SHADOW__X:

well

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SHADOW__X:

see

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SHADOW__X:

if you change the password

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SHADOW__X:

you have to change the password in the info

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justinh:

blimmin eck! 301 & 302 have EIT data!

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SHADOW__X:

woohoo

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justinh:

must be a temporary thing for the 0lympics

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andycaz:

SHADOW__X: info?

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jduggan_:

whats 301/2?

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SHADOW__X:

hey thedarkone how do you get canadian sat in us or is that pretty simmple

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clever:

http://gizmodo.com/5035456/blue-screen-of-dea . . . rch-lighting

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justinh:

jduggan_: freeview channels 301 & 302

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jduggan_:

ah

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jduggan_:

no freeview here :(

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SHADOW__X:

andycaz the sql info mythtv needs the new password

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andycaz:

SHADOW__X: Where can i set the new password for it?

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justinh:

presumably they only have data for the olympics

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SHADOW__X:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1

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XLV:

justinh do you have that asus p5gc motherboard? need to ask some questions about it

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justinh:

no I don't

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jblack:

what's up with google lately?

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jblack:

mail has failed 2 or 3 times, stock quotes aren't working so well either.

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justinh:

had problems getting into my gmail

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justinh:

maybe their quest to rule the world is taking precedence now

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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jblack:

Try http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:GU a few times. SOmetimes the chart doesn't show. Sometimes, they can't even serve the CSS

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jblack:

Either some midsized country has gone to war against google, or the zombies are attacking.

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clever:

ive had peices of the page disapear mid stream before

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clever:

mostly the first kb or so causing all the formating to get lost

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clever:

ONCE the boundry between headers&data got lost and it spewed http headers!

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jblack:

Maybe their readhead for gfs is grinding into the surface of the internet.

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** jblack imagines some massive grinding sound reaching to southern california **

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clever:

.

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iamlindoro_:

..

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clever:

conn didnt crash here!

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fnc1:

is there anyway to search the beirdo's logs from this channel?

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fnc1:

Someone in here recomended to me some time ago. a linux app that was good at handleing large MP3 collections.. It was web based and you could also stream songs.. does anyone happen to know what that might be?

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SHADOW__X:

gnump3d

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** directhex uses banshee these days **

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fnc1:

those both look cool.. and ill have to look into them.. but they dont look quite like the one i was thinking about

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fnc1:

seems to me like the one i was thinking about had a name like alice or something... maybe it just started with an A i dont know

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gbee:

hmm, any relation to the one which mythweb partially borrowed from?

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gbee:

can't recall the name, but I'm sure someone can

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kormoc:

mp3act

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fnc1:

that doesnt look like it either...

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fnc1:

hmpf.. the guy i talked to i think he was a dev on it, and i know they have a channel on irc... but eh... i cant remember

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justinh:

fnc1: google much? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q . . . ch&meta=

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fnc1:

justinh: thanks, further than i got, but no results i was looking for

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gbee:

I hate shopping for motherboards :(

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gbee:

too much choice, not enough variety

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ajh:

I just gave up and buy apple hardware regardless of what I'm running on it.

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ajh:

Not always leading edge, but my in-field failure rate has dropped significantly.

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justinh:

depends if you have loot to squander I suppose

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I think there's a fairly neat looking AM2 board with DVI, HDMI, and even Displayport that looked kinda cool when someone pasted it a few weeks back

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ajh:

Just wish they'd put dust filters on them.

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justinh:

if I had more money than sense I'd always buy the most expensive too :D

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ajh:

justinh, there're more than one way to generate cost, failures and dicking around for days to make it work included.

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ajh:

All depends on how much your time is in demand I guess.

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justinh:

true but when it's for myself I don't charge $50 an hour

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: http://www.centralcomputers.com/ccp67409--asu . . . sum3a79r.htm

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iamlindoro_:

not even an awful price

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ajh:

Yeah, wish I had an hour to myself... between getting ready to move, work, and government crap, even sleep is an optional some days.

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ajh:

Note, don't let your expense claims get behind by years.

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: how much to ship to the UK?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: probably lots :) But perhaps available from a local retailer? Just throwing ideas out :)

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justinh:

well, after Friday the self-employed part of my career is ending again

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kormoc:

justinh, when I bought my mac pro, I priced out building it myself, it was only ~ $100 over my raw hardware cost for them to do it and os costs. Wasn't that bad at all

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kormoc:

justinh, ooh? going back to the ee grind?

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justinh:

never left the ee grind

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SHADOW__X:

hmm where do you buy your parts from

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SHADOW__X:

BB

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SHADOW__X:

?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: that ticks most of the boxes, little higher in price that I was looking but I think that's just because I got lucky with the MSI one (~$66,£33)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I thought it was pretty net-- definitely the most video out options I've ever seen w/ onboard graphics

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iamlindoro_:

er neat

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justinh:

!trout VMware

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** MythLogBot slaps VMware with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, mainly from newegg, intel channel partner store, ingram, and zipzoomfly.

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justinh:

changed my keyboard layout, locale etc & now it's all fecked up :(

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: $84 at Newegg, obviously not viable for UK, but maybe someone similar is out there for you

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sphery_:

gbee: looked at the copy settings from another host idea for possible inclusion in the restore script, but I don't think that's really what you want (need some "intelligence" in the copying, so it probably needs to be in mythtv-setup or possibly mythfrontend settings).

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, given the mobo was $1200 and the procs were $550 per, it wasn't hard to get to $3k with the rest of the equipment

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I'd be happy with just DVI and maybe HDMI, Displayport would be a bonus and future proofs it a little even if I've no immediate plans to replace my monitors or get a new TV

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SHADOW__X:

i guess kormoc

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justinh:

displayport? wtf?!

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: If you ended up with that one you'd have to let me know what you thought, Once I cosolidate everything into the closet, I'm sort of going back and forth between building a light frontend w/ a Mac Mini, the new Dell Studio Hybrid, or something with one of those boards

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gbee:

trying to do this as cheap as possible since I've already got a pre-order down on an Aspire One which is taking a chunk of this months spending money

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, 2x of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117143

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justinh:

displayport. licence-free, royalty-free? hahahaha it'll never take off!

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, do you think the macmini will be able to do hd from the hd-pvr boxes?

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justinh:

hadees: in a word, no

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hadees:

i'm trying to find something to put in my bedroom

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: As it's similar in spec to the box I currently playing it (albeit with some help from CoreAVC), I'll say probably

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iamlindoro_:

But it would probably have an awful hard time without a) CoreAVC or b) the upcoming ffmpeg multithread improvements

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hadees:

i'm down with using CoreAVC

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SHADOW__X:

kormoc: that is alittle expensive

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hadees:

iamlindoro, you do it first so i'll know it works ;)

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, well like I said, I have a similar frankenbox doing it now, but it needs CoreAVC

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sphery_:

GreyFoxx: What's your AudioOutputDevice set to?

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iamlindoro_:

w/o it it will handle it up to about 9–10 Mbit stuff OK, then it becomes pretty unwatchable for all the skipping

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kormoc:

SHADOW__X, indeed, which is why it wasn't hard to price out to apple's 3k price on the machine. 6800 gt, 8 memory slots, ecc ram, amazing case, dual power supplies, etc. Next to no markup on the apple machine

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hadees:

i am not set on getting a mac mini, i just want something that will look good in my bedroom, ie not take up a lot of space, and play HD

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GreyFoxx:

spher: Alsa:default

[19:29:27]

GreyFoxx:

my alsa setup has always been simple :)

[19:29:37]

GreyFoxx:

no special config files, nothing but alsa:default heh

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hadees:

speaking of annoying issues, recently when i go to watch recordings i'll click on one then it will show a black screen for a while then fail and then if i go back and click on the recording again it will play just fine right away

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iamlindoro_:

without log output, I would make a wild-ass guess that it was network latency/bandwidth issues

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hadees:

yeah i'm at work right now, i just thought of it

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hadees:

i'll have to grab some log output and come back

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hadees:

but if it was latency/bandwidth issues why would it work right away right after it fails

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: and do you have a ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf ?

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GreyFoxx:

no on both

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sphery:

Interesting. With ALSA 1.0.9 and above, the "automatic rate conversion" (plug) plugin is automatically configured to be active on all "software" sound cards for the default virtual device.

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sphery:

So, in theory, it should be able to get 24kHz sample rate.

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andycaz:

Can i test my tv tuner with vlc? And how to use manual frequency for channels?

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justinh:

ask in #vlc

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GreyFoxx:

and I'm using alsa 1.0.14a

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: OK. It's actually the period that's causing problems. Looking to see if plug does period-conversion.

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GreyFoxx:

Thanks :)

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gbee:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=787072 << Found it, well the same basic model minus Display Port

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sphery:

Looking here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html (can't figure out how to get a link directly to "Automatic conversion plugin", but find in page takes you there.

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gbee:

seriously, can anyone explain why they still waste space on PS2 ports?

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justinh:

because they can?

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iamlindoro_:

I bought a couple Intel boards recently for work, they put 8 or 10 USB ports on there, and removed all the legacy connectors, looked *very* nice

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kormoc:

gbee, I've had usb keyboards not work in the bios

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justinh:

and maybe because chipsets still have the ports... and maybe because BIOS support of USB keyboards can be flaky

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sphery:

kormoc: you need to enable "legacy" USB support

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ajh:

imlindoro, how many busses though

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sphery:

kormoc: (though I'm sure there are plenty of buggy BIOS's that don't get that right)

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** gbee grumbles out wasted space and serial ports **

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gbee:

about

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ajh:

You'll find the ones where there are space limitations they have already removed them usually.

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kormoc:

sphery, ooh, not every keyboard won't work, just one or two special ones

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ajh:

Logitech are well known not to follow the USB spec.

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ajh:

Sometimes the 'bug' isn't the bios.

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Saviq:

hi guys, a question... how do I set up myth / mysql to be able to store utf chars? all I get are question marks :/

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ajh:

I couldn't use just-any keyboard on my Itanic2 box, because he had a fresh to-spec bios vs a hacked up to work with what is out there one.

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** justinh votes to westernise the world. problem solved **

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iamlindoro_:

Wait for .22, problem solved :)

[19:41:31]

justinh:

I prefer my solution

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Saviq:

and until then?

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Saviq:

(either 'then')

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laga:

file a bug report.ö

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laga:

-ö

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kormoc:

doesn't myth convert it itself?

[19:42:17]

laga:

kormoc: it should

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ajh:

what's the non-binding-pulled-out-of-your-ass release expectation for .22?

[19:42:38]

Saviq:

when the world will be westernized

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kormoc:

ajh, 2022

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justinh:

ajh: 2080

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ajh:

so, it's a bit fat then?

[19:44:02]

justinh:

nah

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kormoc:

I'm gonna rewrite mythweb in bf for 0.22, but before I do that, I'll need to write mod_bf for apache, and write bf_mysql

[19:44:23]

gbee:

ugh, the model scan have lacks the firewire – which I don't need, but why?

[19:44:23]

ajh:

kormoc, having a bulk operator option in there would be grand.

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ajh:

Say to 'select all these recordings and perform this operation on them'

[19:44:50]

ajh:

Like, perhaps, delete. :)

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justinh:

gbee: is it not just on headers?

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kormoc:

hrm

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justinh:

ajh: oh great. a way my wife can delete recordings en-mass. cheers

[19:45:33]

laga:

what's "bf"?

[19:45:35]

ajh:

an, admin vs user mode would be nice too :)

[19:45:51]

justinh:

a 'non-demanding users' mode would be best :D

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gbee:

nope, not there at all

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kormoc:

laga, it's a programming language, it's full name is BrainFuck, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

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laga:

ah :)

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gbee:

which despite being AM2 and not AM2+ makes that MSI board of mine look very attractive

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kormoc:

laga, actually writing anything in bf is way beyond my sanity level :P

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gbee:

ajh: back when we released 0.21 I would have said no more than six months, which might still be possible but as time moves on I'm thinking that was way too optimistic, especially since the number of active devs has dropped (probably just for the summer, it's always quieter in the summer months)

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ajh:

gbee, ok just a bit reluctant to break anything with trunk or the new branch until my time here frees up a little, say in 2009. :)

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justinh:

I need to install ubuntu. can't be doing with this VMware shite

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justinh:

ajh: unless you're in dire need of hdpvr support, no big fuss about 0.22, seriously

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gbee:

why are Asus using Banana-vomit yellow for their PCBs?

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ajh:

I may need it when I move, especially if Nagra3 is released. ;)

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wagnerrp:

i always preferred the term 'baby puke yellow'

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ajh:

I'd get and use one here with a 2nd source but when I move it is unlikely I'll have any cable access.

[19:52:16]

NeoMatrixJR:

has anyone set up a pinacle 800i card in mythtv? I've installed the latest v4l-dvb drivers, and it seems to detect it, but when I run tv in the frontend, it goes black and then right back to the menu.

[19:52:19]

ajh:

My office will probably have about 6 dishes though :)

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hadees:

i wonder how hard it would be to emulate itunes in mythmusic so that the iphone iTunes Remote would would with mythmusic

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sphery:

ajh: Make sure you have your DB set to use latin1 or your UTF-8 won't work.

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hadees:

*would work

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** justinh wonders WTF is wrong with his *neo* filter in irssi **

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iamlindoro_:

hahahaa

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ajh:

hades, I'd rather see it read remote itunes libraries, I recall seeing itunesfs FUSE plugin though that I didnt' have time to toy with.

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iamlindoro_:

Does it also catch all instances of "TheOne" and "Morpheus?"

[19:53:34]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: not TheOne, no

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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justinh:

my brain almost died watching the last 2 films, so I wasn't up on the term

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hadees:

the animatrix thought was great

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** sphery just realized that was Saviq (who left quick), not ajh who was having UTF-8 issues. **

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hadees:

i also heard there is a pretty good fan edit the combines the last two films into a pretty good one film

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justinh:

NeoMatrixJR: 1. mythtv does not 'detect' tuner cards. 2. you've set the wrong tuner type in mythtv-setup or something else is wrong like mythbackend doesn't have write access to the storage directory

[19:55:23]

ajh:

sphery, I was slightly perplexed :)

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sphery:

I have a feeling a /lot/ of users are going to get burned by the upgrade to 0.22 because they did something stupid like run "CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;" on a MySQL 5 database rather than run database/mc.sql, so their tables, etc. are in UTF-8, now...

[19:55:34]

justinh:

and 3. your IRC nick sucks

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iamlindoro_:

Remember all the promises about BD and HD-DVD about how it would allow for fan edits and stuff like that? Guess that went the way of the non-porn DVD Multi angle

[19:55:50]

ajh:

Why not support UTF anyway?

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NeoMatrixJR:

...ok, ok...thankfully somebody noticed I had a question and didn't just bash my name.......

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justinh:

why not support WTF?

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ajh:

Seems more sensible on the surface doesn't it?

[19:56:28]

justinh:

ajh: because countries which use funny squiggles are just plain wrong

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justinh:

full of tourists & non-believers!

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abqjp:

What ever happened with Eskil's shoutcast patch? I never used it, but would kinda like to, now.

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ajh:

Plenty of show titles use them too :)

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justinh:

abqjp: nothing ever happened with it

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laga:

abqjp: i use it on -fixes.

[19:57:14]

justinh:

and that was the problem

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ajh:

and more and more will as the hunt for original copywriteable titles goes on :)

[19:57:37]

abqjp:

justinh: I was afraid of that.

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gbee:

ajh: there were extremely good legacy reasons for it – we have always stored stuff as Unicode, we just didn't use mysqls UTF8 charset (and we saved space doing so)

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abqjp:

laga: but, does it apply to trunk, since that is now what I am running?

[19:58:01]

sphery:

ajh: In older versions of MySQL, using UTF-8 would create a DB about 3x as large as necessary for people with primarily western latin characters. So, mythconverg database (in 0.21 and below) is latin1, but MythTV uses UTF-8 internally (and does all conversions as appropriate). The data is still stored in the DB as UTF-8, but MySQL doesn't have a clue how to read all the text because we lied about its encoding.

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, because i've never watched a movie an thought i wish i could see this from behind that guys head

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justinh:

somebody was looking at turning it into a going concern, the shoutcast patch IIRC

[19:58:12]

wagnerrp:

just changing from a u to an umlaut will not make something copywritable

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laga:

abqjp: no clue.

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sphery:

ajh: or, gbee's shorter explanation

[19:58:22]

laga:

i doubt it, unless eskil has updated it

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone else notice how the author of the MythTube plugin is getting advice to add support for Yarrrrrrrrr Pirate BT sites, and doesn't know what he should do? I expect that if anything will destroy the chances of it becoming an official plugin, his confusion may

[19:58:24]

wagnerrp:

too close to the original name

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ajh:

sphery, thanks that makes a lot of sense.

[19:58:40]

abqjp:

laga, is it worth some time/effort on my part?

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laga:

abqjp: i'd love to see it in 0.22

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justinh:

who was it that was looking at it again?

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, why would MythTube add PirateBay support?

[19:59:25]

hadees:

they seem like two different things

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gbee:

ajh: another reason was UTF8 indexes are larger but mysql prior to v5 had a lower cap on index size meaning we couldn't index tables properly if they were UTF8

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sphery:

ajh: The main problem was that users would hack their DB's to make it look like their non-latin characters were working, so they didn't report issues in the places where we missed converting, so there were a few problems in 0.21 and below.

[19:59:35]

justinh:

I think they ran aground on doing things *properly*

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: Because there will always be useless fucks who want Myth to add support for their favorite pillagery

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iamlindoro_:

and since the guy wrote a plugin that pulls in video, they see it as their opportunity to once again talk about how it can download linux ISOs blah blah

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justinh:

I wish epg data would stop coming in WTF-8

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, lol, well i'm one of those useless fucks but i don't think you should just include it in any plugin that the author will allow it =)

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justinh:

Amelie ended up being called AGHJDKASGDWYRGT^WGFTEI&&^^&($£"

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wagnerrp:

so.. someone just forks mythtube

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hadees:

iamlindoro, actually i really just want BT support for sites like Revision3

[20:01:02]

hadees:

but we have had this discussion too many times

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gbee:

justinh: that's just us failing to handle the conversion correctly, report it as a bug

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justinh:

wagnerrp: unofficial plugins don't last long

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iamlindoro_:

I could write a plugin that only displayed pictures of OMG PONIEZ and people would still request BT support

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hadees:

justinh, thats too bad

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iamlindoro_:

and what do you know, the MythTube author is being assailed with requests to add Revision3 support

[20:01:54]

justinh:

FFS how many more times.. MYTHTV DOES NOT NEED A FECKING BT CLIENT. THERE ARE PLENTY ENOUGH CLIENTS ALREADY

[20:02:13]

hadees:

iamlindoro, you don't need to add BT support though for Revision3, they do direct downloads now, you just need RSS support

[20:02:18]

gbee:

hadees: it is, but then most of the official plugins only barely survive because some poor bastard _has_ to maintain them as long as they are in trunk

[20:02:24]

justinh:

you put the files somewhere, wherever you get them from & it will play them!

[20:02:26]

ajh:

Hey, if people do something that works and they'll support, good for them, if it's crap, who cares.

[20:02:39]

hadees:

gbee, yeah, i think if mythpython had taken off it might be different

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justinh:

rofl

[20:02:51]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: thought Revision 3 was a CNET-alike tech video site

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justinh:

MOAR badlywritten pluginz

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I think that you are correct

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justinh:

I'm no coder & I can tell you now that python is as much gobbledygook as assembler

[20:03:45]

gbee:

hadees: well I wish I could be so sure, I don't think it has anything to do with the language they are written in

[20:04:16]

andycaz:

I cant find any channels with hauppauge wintv pvr-150, im located in estonia, tried europe-east and europe-west scanners, both dont work

[20:04:25]

hadees:

gbee, you may be right but there are other projects with similar plugin languages and they have more

[20:04:40]

hadees:

of coarse you can say the quality isn't as good

[20:04:44]

wagnerrp:

gbee: well the idea is that with python, you open up mythtv to a whole slew of half-programmers

[20:04:57]

iamlindoro_:

I personally like the idea of the Mythtube client staying fairly simple. The thing I liked best about it was the fact that it had three freaking widgets-- a search, results, and a screenshot. Boom. The end.

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laga:

VDR has lots of patches and plugins. although some of these add stuff i would consider core functionality

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hadees:

iamlindoro, yeah mythtube doesn't need anything else

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ajh:

It really should reflect the UI people are used to for it though.

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NeoMatrixJR:

justinh: I checked and I didn't have a directory set up (first time setting up mythbuntu/mythtv), so I set that and checked the permissions. Still didn't work. I'm not sure what to set the card as. Set as USB mpeg4 right now, but it's PCI not usb. If I recall the card records mpeg4 or divx... Is there an option for v4l-dvb? The only v4l I can find is for analog, this is a atsc/ntsc/qam...

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NeoMatrixJR:

...ana/digi card.

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wagnerrp:

ajh: the UI people are used to is designed for a mouse, something you cant expect on mythtv

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ajh:

reflect, not be exactly :)

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Gumby:

when I connect to mythweb and click the "ASX Stream" in the recorded program options/properties I get "http://dvr/mythweb/pl/stream/2299/1218568080.asx". Obviously "dvr" cant be resolved as I am not currently local. mythweb is also located on my webserver and not on my mythbox. Does anyone know what setting(s) I might need to look at to enable the asx streaming?

[20:06:38]

ajh:

Oh, I tried out both of the iphone remotes, they look like they were hacked together in 10 minutes.

[20:06:46]

hadees:

whats up with that guy who was modifying mythnews to download files via RSS, not BT, just download movie files from sites like Revision3

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iamlindoro_:

The Pinnacle 800 is not even remotely a MPEG-4 or Divx card AFAIK

[20:06:58]

xris:

Gumby: fix the server name in your apache config?

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ajh:

I bet if someone did a really nice iphone remote they could get $29.95 a copy if it was pronto-functional though.

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iamlindoro_:

It's just an ATSC (read: DVB) tuner IIRC

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gbee:

hadees: mythnews can already do that

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Not sure if it's intentional or not, but when you login to your SD account and are encrypted, if you edit your lineup you are sent back outside of the encrypted cert

[20:08:12]

hadees:

gbee, it can download video files?

[20:08:33]

gbee:

downloads and automatically plays, doesn't store them

[20:08:46]

hadees:

oh well that isn't that useful

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: my asx streams get pumped through my web server

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Gumby:

xris, is that in the apache config? I thought it would be mythweb saying my recordings are located on "dvr" which is true, but obviously this wont work remotely

[20:08:57]

gbee:

hadees: why not?

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NeoMatrixJR:

iamlindoro_: sorry, you're right. Pinnacle's site says "record in mpeg-2 or divx"

[20:09:38]

gbee:

you're really going to archive hundreds of videos that are already stored available to download at any time from their website?

[20:09:42]

iamlindoro_:

NeoMatrixJR: Where divx = "You can record with our software in windows which transcodes on the fly"

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hadees:

gbee, because it takes a while to download an HD version of a show, i want to subscribe and just be able to to a screen that tells me i have new video and watch them

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hadees:

gbee, not hundreds but i should have recording options like mythtv does, like store the last 10 videos or something for each show i like

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . k_%28800e%29

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Gumby:

wagnerrp, I assume its just something Ive done wrong. I just have to figure out what. I am looking at my mythweb.conf right now

[20:10:49]

hadees:

gbee, and with a show like sysm i may want to actually keep all the shows

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iamlindoro_:

er rather, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . d_%28800i%29

[20:11:06]

xris:

GreyFoxx: all of that SD stuff should be secure, but I know that Robert was recently having some trouble with the new cert.

[20:11:37]

wagnerrp:

Gumby: i dont have any special set in my mythweb.conf file

[20:11:48]

Gumby:

hrm

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NeoMatrixJR:

iamlindoro_: yeah...I know that end of it. I was more thinking it was mpeg4. So I wonders if I should use mpeg-2 encoder card or DVB DTV in MythTV?

[20:12:07]

iamlindoro_:

NeoMatrixJR: as it's *not* an MPEG-2 encoder card, that wouldn't work very well

[20:12:19]

wagnerrp:

its probably your 'ServerName' directive in the httpd.conf

[20:12:26]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: I'm not having any luck figuring out this period time thing... Sorry. I'm sure you /can/ make it work with the right ALSA-conf magic, but don't know if it's worthwhile for just a couple shows. I can't wait 'til Myth has OSS4 support... :)

[20:12:43]

wagnerrp:

my link is identical to that directive

[20:13:08]

iamlindoro_:

NeoMatrixJR: Like I said, it's just a plain ATSC and QAM tuner... you can get MPEG-2 from digital sources because they *already come* as MPEG-2 from your broadcaster, and it just dumps it to disk. ATSC/QAM tuners are DVB card type in MythTV

[20:14:14]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Ok, I just noticed it today when I went into the editor. It warned me when I clicked edit that I was going to an unecrypted page

[20:14:37]

GreyFoxx:

spher: Yeah not worth it but thanks

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Gumby:

wagnerrp, everything else on my webserver works fine. I dont think its my servername directive.

[20:14:52]

GreyFoxx:

I'll just strip the file down, resample the audio and remux it back together

[20:15:01]

GreyFoxx:

It's only 2 shows I converted long ago

[20:15:37]

iamlindoro_:

it may be worth it to do it in one go with ffmpeg so that you can use -async 10 or something like that to preserve sync

[20:16:12]

xris:

GreyFoxx: that might be ok

[20:19:48]

GreyFoxx:

ffmpeg -i Elf.avi -async 10 -vcodec copy -acodec libmp3lame -ar 48000 Elf-moo.avi

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GreyFoxx:

lets see if that works heh

[20:21:36]

sphery:

Looking for advice here. On the new database backup/restore scripts ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), there's currently an option to backup/restore xmltvid's. The xmltvid backup file looks like: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv_xm . . . 12161636.sql --allowing 2 approaches for restoration (by callsign or by channum/name).

[20:21:42]

sphery:

I was thinking of changing the scripts to remove the xmltvid backup and use any normal backup to restore the old channel table to a temp table and then restore the xmltvid's from that.

[20:21:54]

sphery:

The downside is that the temp table approach isn't as user-fixable if it doesn't work--having the data in a text file allows for easy manipulation with any text editor. The upside is that the user doesn't have to realize that he should do an xmltvid backup before a channel scan.

[20:22:04]

sphery:

Which sounds better?

[20:23:06]

kormoc:

could do both sorta, SELECT INTO OUTFILE / LOAD FROM FILE

[20:23:25]

kormoc:

still a text file, but mysql knows how to read it

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abqjp:

http://www.geektonic.com/2008/08/deal-of-day- . . . un-dual.html

[20:24:33]

ajh:

Is it a mythweb bug that sometimes the 'requests pending' box just keeps incrementing even though the actions have happened already?

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sphery:

kormoc: So, basically, the change would be to allow use of the normal backup for restore if an xmltvid backup isn't found and allow creating a text file from the restore script?

[20:26:05]

sphery:

Other benefit to the restore to temp-table approach is that it makes it easier to add abqjp's request for fix chanid on recorded programs (i.e. I didn't want to add a --backup_recorded_chanids option).

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sphery:

abqjp: BTW, did you get your recorded chanid's fixed, yet?

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kormoc:

sphery, well, when you make the .sql dump, just do a select into file for the xml ids and the like, then they can do the full restore, or edit that file and restore just those? Perhaps I just don't understand the goal completely

[20:27:11]

kormoc:

ajh, the ajax is likely failing for some reason

[20:27:33]

sphery:

The goal is to be able to restore the xmltvid's after a full channel scan or Delete all video sources erases them.

[20:27:46]

sphery:

Keep the new channel data, but put the xmltvid's where they belong.

[20:27:47]

ajh:

Firefox 2.0.0.16(osx)

[20:28:01]

sphery:

So, we won't want a whole table restore--just the xmltvid's.

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gbee:

is there a timeout? i.e. no response after 5 seconds, we stop waiting for it?

[20:28:43]

gbee:

channel scan should no longer wipe xmltvid etc

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kormoc:

sphery, I'd think that select info outfile should do the trick then

[20:29:01]

gbee:

although deleting channels will

[20:29:04]

kormoc:

ajh, without knowing what ajax is failing with what message, there's not a lot to be done

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ajh:

kormoc, ok that's outside my current experience to look into, but I will when time permits.

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gbee:

kormoc: just put a timer on the request pending popup?

[20:30:21]

kormoc:

gbee, there's no real client side timeout, it can wait a long long time

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sphery:

kormoc: wouldn't load from file restore the whole table? besides, IIRC, select into outfile/load from file require special permissions on the server, so the scripts just create the current backup output file from Perl. I'm OK with that part. It's more the what should a user be expected to do part I'm wrestling with.

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abqjp:

sphery: yes. Wasn't too bad. While I have a lot channels, I only record off of a small subset.

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gbee:

kormoc: I just mean stick a timer on it, I know ajax doesn't really have a proper timeout, some queries might just take longer than the timer but it shouldn't be many

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kormoc:

sphery, you can do select x,y,z from t into outfile x; load data infile file into table t (@x, @y, @z) set x=@x, y=@y, z=@z

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kormoc:

sphery, so select into outfile allows you to pick what to pull out, load data does want a clean table to work with, but you can tell it where to stick what

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kormoc:

gbee, hrm, perhaps, but that seems like it'd mask the error more then having it show that it never finished

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kormoc:

I should just finish a better error handler

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gbee:

true

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andycaz:

Can i make some custom channel conf where i can give the frequencies myself? Or can i setup it somehow?

[20:41:17]

andycaz:

I dont have the scan file for my location, but i do know frequencies

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sphery:

andycaz: specify the frequency in kHz in the freqid field in mythtv-setup (like the second page of the channel info in the channel editor)

[20:42:15]

andycaz:

sphery: Aahh, yes. Ill go and try it out right away :)

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sphery:

gbee: QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread. (Parent is QProcess(0x936227c), parent's thread is QThread(0x9146cc8), current thread is XMLTVFindGrabbers(0x9362274)

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sphery:

gbee: Not saying you have to fix it, just a FYI.

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andycaz:

sphery: Thanks, i got it working – i think im getting analogue channels though. Also, why couldnt mythtv scanner detect these channels

[20:45:28]

gbee:

sphery: hmm, someone has threaded that – wasn't me, mind opening a ticket?

[20:45:49]

sphery:

andycaz: PVR-x50 only does analog and mythtv scanner won't find channels if you don't tell it the right frequencies (i.e. if the frequency table in use in your area isn't one you can select from Myth's list of frequency tables)

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sphery:

gbee: Yeah. Let me do a recompile/reinstall and verify it's still there.

[20:46:14]

dustybin:

im trying to compile mythtv and it says this:

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dustybin:

cc1: warning: -funit-at-a-time is required for inlining of functions that are only called once

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dustybin:

what the hell is funit-at-a-time

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andycaz:

sphery: So it cant find dvb-t channels?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: its just an optimization function

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: ill ignore then?

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt effect how mythtv functions, just how fast it runs

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wagnerrp:

and since its a function only used in one place, probably not even that

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dustybin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

all it does is bring the function in-line, rather than having to link out to some other place in memory

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

i had a powercut and did a big debian lenny update, so im re-compiling

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dustybin:

think ill re-install the linuxtv drivers as there was a kernel change

[20:50:44]

** dustybin hopes the usb power is still set to stay on for my nova-t card **

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wagnerrp:

any kernel modules MUST be rebuilt with a new kernel (or even a new compile of the same version)

[20:51:02]

dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.24-1–686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.169 MHz) – Processes: 149 – Uptime: 26m – Load Average: 1.19 – Memory Usage: 397.93MB/1011.68MB (39.33%) – Disk Usage: 317.90GB/1363.24GB (23.32%)

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dustybin:

actually the kernel looks the same as before

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dustybin:

ive plugged in a power metre on the end of my UPS what my backend is connected to

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dustybin:

it reads about 150W

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** dustybin destroys the enviroment **

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dustybin:

considering my backend has a 400W seasonic PSU, that isnt too bad?

[20:55:41]

andreax1:

bad co2 foodstep... :)

[20:55:48]

gbee:

never f**k with a stable machine (but I just can't help myself most of the time)

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andreax1:

foot

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dustybin:

my backend is stable as fok

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andycaz:

Okay, ive found out that i need to use "E53" channel to receive dvb-t channels, what should i do now?

[20:56:37]

iamlindoro_:

Anyone who is particularly familiar with the DB able to tell me off the top of their head whether mark type 4 or 5 represents a commercial start in recordedmarkup?

[20:56:38]

dustybin:

gbee: would you mind if i tinkered with your backend?

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NeoMatrixJR:

ok, I'll switch notes...I've set up the mythtv setup console to turn on vnc, yet it's not running...any help there?

[20:57:03]

gbee:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

My *guess* is that 5 represents the start off commercials, and that 4 is resumption of the program

[20:57:27]

iamlindoro_:

er of

[20:57:37]

iamlindoro_:

but would be nice to have it confirmed without going home :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: can't remember offhand, but I know where to look

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wagnerrp:

my mythtv-setup runs just fine on VNC, so no idea what your problem is

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: http://pastebin.ca/1168642

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: heh, had it backwards, thanks :)

[20:59:12]

gbee:

so yes, 4 is the start of a cut, 5 is the end

[20:59:33]

gbee:

so you did ..

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iamlindoro_:

Goofing around to add commercial skip to mythweb streaming

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: why not goof around to add support for storing info about recordings in recordedfile or to add backend streaming/on-the-fly transcoding, instead (i.e. something that will be kept)? :)

[21:01:30]

sphery:

(Both of those changes could be quite useful for mythweb)

[21:01:37]

iamlindoro_:

because I am dumb?

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sphery:

I wouldn't say that. I'm just disheartened to see someone spending time on a project that will just be thrown away once we do things correctly...

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iamlindoro_:

Mostly for lack of ability to do it correctly/boredom at work leading to my having a few minutes to throw at a project :)

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dupondje:

is there a fix yet for LiveTV playback, so it doesn't stop every 30mins :s

[21:11:37]

gbee:

get guide data

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dupondje:

but how :x

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iamlindoro_:

by reading the documentation and doing the things the words say?

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justinh:

I listen to the voices instead

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iamlindoro_:

I just figured the voices I hear are like life's EIT

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iamlindoro_:

The pills I take keep my backend from crashing

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iamlindoro_:

and stop me burning things

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justinh:

anyway I thought there was a setting to counteract that 30 mins thing

[21:21:55]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: they stop you burning things? I should get me some of them sweeties man

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dupondje:

I don't find a place for guide

[21:25:01]

dupondje:

belgian tv channels :p

[21:25:03]

iamlindoro_:

Yay, new 12 bay Lian Li ordered for my crouching tiger hidden backend

[21:25:10]

iamlindoro_:

tv_grab_be

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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dupondje:

mmm :) thx for the hint :p

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iamlindoro_:

np

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justinh:

hmm. there's a ripple in the matrix again. deja-vu. or maybe just another re-run

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jarle_:

Anybody se anything wrong here: http://pastebin.ca/1168702 ? Semms like this grabber will not run correctly from cron, however if I run it manually as the user "jarle" it works just fine...

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jarle:

I need to run a second grabber from cron as my main grabber does not carry data for all the channels..

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justinh:

the user cron runs it as doesn't have a correct ~/.mythtv/foo.xmltv file?

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gbee:

jarle: there is an xmltv grabber which merges the output from two or more different grabbers, I'm not sure but it could save you running the second grabber from a cron job

[21:44:25]

clever:

fix HOME and PATH

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jarle:

justinh: that's why I'm running sudo -u jarle so it will run the command as jarle instead of root?

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clever:

you need -H on sudo or it will use the wrong HOME

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justinh:

bingo

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gbee:

sudo doesn't modify the HOME var

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** gbee is too slow **

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jarle:

gbee: I know, this was just a quick and easy fix while I was waiting for the main grabber to work out the problems with the two channels that is not working in it at the moment

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gbee:

jarle: ok :)

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clever:

gbee: sudo will set home if -H is given

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gbee:

clever: well I'll try and remember that, but since I don't use sudo I'll probably forget

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clever:

yeah su may be better

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justinh:

heh I used to do everything as root on gentoo

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jarle:

clever: so something like "sudo -u jarle -H tv_grab_no > ~/tvnorge.xml" should do the trick?

[21:47:51]

clever:

or you could, i dont know, use the crontab for jarle:P

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justinh:

only made one big mistake once :)

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gbee:

very rarely want to just do *one* thing as root, so it's su all the way

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jarle:

clever: didn't know there was a crontab for normal users :)

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justinh:

I didn't have an actual account, I was root

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clever:

gbee: i use sudo -i to get that

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clever:

jarle: just run crontab -e as a normal user

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gbee:

clever: well the other thing is that sudo isn't setup automatically on Mandriva as it is on Ubuntu and I can't be arsed to configure it when su does the job

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** gbee knows enough not to screw up things by editing or deleting the wrong files **

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

in my case, there is no root password so i cant use su even if i wanted to

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justinh:

lol so much for the high tech way of invoicing via pdf & email, I need to print my invoice & take it on friday. ffs

[21:51:03]

clever:

i edited my /etc/init.d/rc script a few days ago to see how long each service took to start/stop

[21:51:08]

clever:

it was an sh script

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clever:

i tried to use the bash builtin 'time'

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clever:

it crashed on shutdown:P

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clever:

had to bootup with init=/bin/bash to fix it

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justinh:

you only run rm -rf / once IME

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dupondje:

:( I select a xmlgrabber in the backend setup, then I save it, but @ 50% it stops, it seems to start a terminal, but can't access because backend setup is stull fullscreen ...

[21:52:28]

clever:

ive never done that

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clever:

but once i helped a friend dd /dev/random into his hdd:P

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clever:

he wanted to uuninstall linux

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justinh:

dupondje: didnt see the help text in mythtv-setup eh? the one which says you need to switch to said terminal somehow? like pressing ALT & TAB?

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dupondje:

slap me :( sorry

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justinh:

then again if the window manager you use doesn't allow that, you're screwed

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dupondje:

it worked :)

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gbee:

wonder if I risk buying a laptop from a company that thinks it's "an laptop"

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justinh:

heh. yeah

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justinh:

the one what stocks laptop's ?

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gbee:

:)

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dupondje:

I have 1 channel, from 06:00 -> 18:00 its 'Ketnet' rest of the day its 'Canvas', its same channel ... how to fix that in the grabber ? :s

[22:00:28]

gbee:

hmm, their free delivery option is 14 days, paying for delivery makes them more expensive than Amazon

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rimbob:

http://pastebin.ca/1168741

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rimbob:

can someone please explain why i'm getting FD errors :x

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rimbob:

the card is an HVR-1600, mplayer /dev/video0 works fine

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gbee:

#

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gbee:

ChannelBase(3) Error: InitializeInputs():

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gbee:

#

[22:09:17]

gbee:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

[22:09:17]

gbee:

#

[22:09:17]

gbee:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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gbee:

#

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gbee:

sources to your card's inputs?

[22:09:25]

justinh:

rahhhh!

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gbee:

run mythtv-setup, go through stages 1–6, read the manual if necessary

[22:09:41]

rimbob:

ignore that

[22:09:44]

Niarbeht:

Trying to find out whether or not any TV tuner cards available on my Circuit City employee discount are supported. Any idea where to get good, up-to-date information?

[22:09:51]

justinh:

nevermind if necessary

[22:10:04]

justinh:

Niarbeht: www.google.com

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rimbob:

that's my second tuner messing up, i deleted it and still the same issue, gbee

[22:10:12]

kormoc:

rimbob, so ignore the errors? your computing experience must be awesome

[22:10:21]

rimbob:

kormoc: *that* error.

[22:10:34]

rimbob:

i can repaste with the DVB device deleted.

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gbee:

Niarbeht: send me some and I'll test them for you ;)

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** justinh emits a Timothy Claypole laugh **

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Niarbeht:

justinh: Funny :-P

[22:10:53]

Niarbeht:

gbee: har har :-P

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gbee:

Niarbeht: linuxtv.org the wikis

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justinh:

Niarbeht: I wasn't joking damnit

[22:11:16]

justinh:

<name of tuner card> linux

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justinh:

put that into google. tada!

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rimbob:

http://pastebin.ca/1168752

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justinh:

sadly there's no cure for laziness

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gbee:

rimbob: does that file exist? /sdb/mythtv/livetv/1002_20080813020527.mpg

[22:12:36]

rimbob:

yes

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Niarbeht:

Well, looks like I have a choice between the Hauppauge HVR-1250 and the HVR-1600

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SHADOW__X:

go 1600

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SHADOW__X:

you can use analog and digital at the same time

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rimbob:

gbee: any ideas?

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gbee:

rimbob: not right now, sorry, it's the wrong time of day for me ;)

[22:39:15]

sphery:

rimbob: you've really named mount points /sdb , etc?

[22:46:36]

rimbob:

yes

[22:46:41]

rimbob:

i have ten disks

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rimbob:

it's easier that way

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NeoMatrixJR:

Ok, this thing's got me all pissed off. What's a good program for seeing if I can even watch TV from my DVB board? (not mythTV)

[22:48:09]

rimbob:

oh wait.

[22:48:34]

clever:

woot

[22:48:36]

clever:

bluescreen!!!

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clever:

and all i did was run vim on the fstab

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Dagmar:

You know those can "move around" in their enumeration order unless you're mounting them by filesystem UUID, right?

[22:49:26]

Dagmar:

Like, just because it's sdb *now* doesn't mean it'll stay sdb two reboots from now if you have other SATA drives

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NeoMatrixJR:

ls

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NeoMatrixJR:

oops

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rimbob:

Dagmar: it's by UUID

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rimbob:

and they're SCSI, not SATA

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rimbob:

300GB 10k SCSI drives

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Dagmar:

OKay, so much for that possibility then

[22:53:33]

rimbob:

how do i change from libmpeg2 to something else?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I mount by filesystem label personally

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rimbob:

the MPEG decoder.. i cannot find the setting.

[22:53:50]

Dagmar:

You're probably one of those filthy Fedora people tho'.

[22:53:50]

Dagmar:

;)

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kormoc:

Dagmar, not at all, Gentoo is my poison :P

[22:54:13]

rimbob:

ugh

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Dagmar:

Heh

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clever:

ubuntu here:P

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kormoc:

rimbob, just remember, a nice chunk of mythweb was developed on Gentoo!

[22:54:49]

clever:

my ubuntu system just bluescreened:(

[22:55:02]

Dagmar:

clever: So change the screensaver to something else.

[22:55:18]

Dagmar:

Linux. Does. Not. Bluescreen.

[22:55:19]

clever:

Dagmar: its colinux, the kernel is sharing the cpu with windows

[22:55:32]

rimbob:

LOL

[22:55:33]

clever:

the windows kernel died and took the linux one down with it

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rimbob:

install it for real then

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rimbob:

sheesh

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Dagmar:

clever: And whose fault is that?

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gbee:

NeoMatrixJR: kaffeine, tvtime maybe

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clever:

mine:P

[22:56:01]

clever:

all i did was run vim on the fstab:P

[22:56:17]

clever:

rimbob: i have a real ubuntu install on 5 other systems

[22:56:27]

clever:

this special one is just to steal the free cpu cycles under winblows

[22:56:43]

clever:

and this is actualy the first time colinux made it crash

[22:57:03]

gbee:

rimbob: under playback profiles, Setttings – TV Settings – Playback – 3rd screen I think, edit the profile which matches your video

[22:57:22]

gbee:

yes, the playback profiles stuff sucks

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Dagmar:

Okay so I'm not the only one

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rimbob:

wtf is playback profiles :x

[22:57:46]

rimbob:

oh

[22:57:49]

rimbob:

tv settings

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rimbob:

how confusing :)

[22:58:36]

gbee:

uses different settings depending on the type of video you are playing, e.g. deinterlacing for SD but not HD, 4 cores for HD, but 1 core for SD etc

[22:58:48]

rimbob:

how do i know what this means?

[22:58:54]

rimbob:

o.O

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kormoc:

spend 20 years on a mountain top studying with a master?

[22:59:13]

rimbob:

what do the numbers mean? 5 is where libmpeg2 is.

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Dagmar:

They mean "screw all this and just create a new profile"

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rimbob:

oh

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kormoc:

I recommend the "kormoc" profile personally

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Dagmar:

It's less confusing to make a new profile than it is to figure out what's going on with the existing ones

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gbee:

yep, delete all the profiles and start again

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sphery:

rimbob: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

[23:01:51]

rimbob:

i get it :P

[23:01:52]

sphery:

which recommends not editing the example profile groups, but creating a new group

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rimbob:

awesome

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rimbob:

now instead of saying invalid fd, it receives SIGSEGV

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rimbob:

:)

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sphery:

if you edit the examples, then when you tell people, "I'm using the Slim profile and the program guide is extremely slow in LiveTV," we'd have to go to the trouble of saying, "Well, that's what would happen when using the Bob deinterlacer, but since you're using Slim, I know you're not using Bob."

[23:04:26]

rimbob:

#0 0x00007f7c103bed1d in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4

[23:04:26]

rimbob:

#1 0x00007f7c103bf0ea in QDateTime::toString () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4

[23:04:29]

rimbob:

#2 0x00007f7c16916b07 in DeviceReadBuffer::CheckForErrors () from /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.22.so.0

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rimbob:

:|

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** kormoc eyes rimbob **

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rimbob:

3 lines

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kormoc:

sphery, it's almost worth making those default profiles readonly

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sphery:

a useful backtrace is much more, er, useful... http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

[23:05:28]

sphery:

kormoc: Yeah. I wish they were.

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Dagmar:

sphery: It's "USEFUL BACKTRACE IS USEFUL" (picture of cat)

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sphery:

BTW, kormoc , since I know you get ancy when there aren't any MythWeb tickets, I just posted (a trivial) one for you. :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Yay! :)

[23:06:34]

** rimbob recompiles **

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rimbob:

bwahaha, myth builds in 2 minutes flat

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rimbob:

<3 eight core systems

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Dagmar:

I was gonna say "yes, but will what you get RUN?"

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sphery:

hmmm. guess that should be antsy

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Dagmar:

2 minutes for most people would mean unequivocally "broken/stale object corruptification"

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rimbob:

hrm

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Dagmar:

"R" stands for "retard-block"

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rimbob:

i can't use -jXX on here?

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Dagmar:

Well, hi thar Miss Chan

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sphery:

I don't think Myth builds in 2 minutes on my system when I have a fully-compiled working copy. I know it doesn't when I have a fully-compiled ccache. And that's not even considering building mythplugins, myththemes, themes, and mythextras stuff

[23:09:41]

sphery:

I think the sticky point is the HDD.

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rimbob:

oh, i just meant the mythtv module.

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rimbob:

my HDD benchmarks at 110MB/s afaik

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rimbob:

Timing buffered disk reads: 334 MB in 3.00 seconds = 111.16 MB/sec

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wagnerrp:

ah, yes, i was finding it hard to believe you could build myth in 2 minutes, on any workstation grade system

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kormoc:

Timing buffered disk reads: 450 MB in 3.01 seconds = 149.57 MB/sec

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kormoc:

Whee

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wagnerrp:

buffered reads... you may as well be reading off memory

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sphery:

It's the writing that's the issue for me.

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sphery:

i.e. writing all of the object code for myth takes > 2 mins

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kormoc:

536870912 bytes transferred in 2.864856 secs (187398917 bytes/sec)

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1m count=512

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kormoc:

It's fairly fast on my box

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rimbob:

1

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rimbob:

1M not 1m*

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rimbob:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 3.20754 s, 167 MB/s

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kormoc:

11.73 minutes to build myth here

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kormoc:

rimbob, depends on the os, bsd or linux or solaris, etc

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clever:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 26.8071 seconds, 20.0 MB/s

[23:14:09]

clever:

ugh

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kormoc:

3x raid0 and 8 2.8 ghz cores == 11.73m build time from scratch

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clever:

filefrag test

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clever:

test: 4568 extents found, perfection would be 5 extents

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Dagmar:

clever: That should not suprise you in the least.

[23:15:53]

clever:

running the test on a diff fs

[23:16:01]

clever:

less fragmentation

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Dagmar:

It still should not suprise you

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Dagmar:

bs=512. AHEM

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Dagmar:

Read 512 bytes, write 512 bytes

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kormoc:

heh

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clever:

that wouldnt have much of an effect

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Dagmar:

^^^^^-- creates an extent

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wagnerrp:

huh... gstat is listing 400MB/s , but dd reads a quarter that

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clever:

by writing in larger batches, i would think ext3 would alocate more blocks at once

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Dagmar:

Swap bs and count and you will have fewer extents

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clever:

posibly in a single seq chunk

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Dagmar:

Dude would you pay attention?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, gstat.org?

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clever:

Dagmar: test: 5 extents found

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clever:

i ran it on a different filesystem and it came out perfectly

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Dagmar:

Formatted as?

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clever:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 11.4099 seconds, 47.1 MB/s

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wagnerrp:

gstat, disk subsystem monitoring program in freebsd

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kormoc:

ahh

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clever:

Dagmar: both are formated ext3

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clever:

the difference is mainly the fragmentation of the free space

[23:18:36]

Dagmar:

So it still shouldn't suprise you

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** kormoc sighs **

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clever:

it makes perfect sense why one is faster then the other

[23:20:11]

clever:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 43.4626 seconds, 12.4 MB/s

[23:20:11]

clever:

test: 3919 extents found, perfection would be 5 extents

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clever:

for the original root partition

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clever:

536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 108.671 seconds, 4.9 MB/s

[23:26:06]

clever:

test: 543 extents found, perfection would be 5 extents

[23:26:17]

clever:

guess colinux isnt good for speed:P

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clever:

2008-08–12 20:34:11.304 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error

[23:34:21]

clever:

2008-08–12 20:34:15.304 [mpeg2video @ 0xb72c3548]current_picture not initialized

[23:34:41]

clever:

what might cause such a spamy error?

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kormoc:

a decoding error that is unknown

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clever:

duh:P

[23:39:24]

clever:

now why might only 1 slave backend get that error?

[23:39:31]

clever:

bad ffmpeg libs?

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justinh:

hrm. trying to upgrade my xmltv to 0.5.52 but running into problems. need newer packages of some perl stuff which aren't available :(

[23:43:16]

justinh:

think I might have to get some updates. arghhh

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justinh:

and why is the make for xmltv so damn complicated? generally only packagers would ever want to build more than one grabber at a time

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gbee:

who said XFS had fast deletes, just looking at a benchmark which makes ext3 2x faster – admittedly it's not large files and that's probably the different here

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gbee:

it's also one persons benchmark, not a proper lab based affair

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justinh:

ext3 deletes can take an age with big files though

[23:55:18]

justinh:

I ended up with a hard-locked machine trying to get rid of 400GB of recordings in one go once

[23:55:44]

justinh:

an edge case, maybe

[23:56:05]

justinh:

hrm. seems on dapper I'm gonna have to stick with xmltv 0.5.50

[23:56:25]

justinh:

unless I want pain

[23:56:53]

justinh:

suspect that's where my weird characters in the guide are coming from

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gbee:

isn't Dapper quite old now?

[23:57:06]

justinh:

it's just worked. and worked. and worked

[23:57:14]

justinh:

not upgrading just for a newer xmltv

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gbee:

heh, like I said earlier, I just can't help upgrading stable systems – I might just have gone the longest period without upgrading this time, I'm trying to hold off for the stable releases

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justinh:

I hate perl. dependencies have got ridiculous. oh you want this? you need this, but your version isn't new enough. or oh you've got that, that's fine but I won't work properly because this has only been tested on some unknown newer version of ABC

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gbee:

in the past I'd already been running the unstable version of the next release

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kormoc:

justinh, yeah, it's crappy

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