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Monday, August 11th, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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FPSDavid:

yo

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FPSDavid:

Is it a common issue for opening up the Guide to freeze the entire frontend?

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Dagmar:

If you have an nVidia card maybe

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justinh:

it might be a common issue. I've never tolerated livetv long enough to know

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laga:

cross-posting = bad

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justinh:

oh bugger. I just realised something. I won't be able to just apt-get build-dep mythtv if I want to build trunk. not now

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cesman:

why not?

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cesman:

I'd think that would work for everything you need, then just get qt4

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laga:

you can

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laga:

i just upload trunk packages a few hours ago.

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laga:

;)

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justinh:

to where?

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justinh:

offishul repos?

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laga:

PPA

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laga:

official? are you nuts? :)

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laga:

https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/+archive

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laga:

no guarantee it's going to work

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justinh:

I think I'll be ok. I'll see how I go

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laga:

you probably need to set QTDIR

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laga:

g'night

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justinh:

night

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justinh:

well, configure just worked so maybe I'm good

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justinh:

I'm such a wuss for doing this in a VM though

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** clever goes to compile the latest trunk head **

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justinh:

smacker.c .. wtf?

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justinh:

wonder what that does...

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my2keh:

I've decided it was the recordings that was causing my high CPU usage

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PatrickDK:

causes the wife to hit you when you press the wrong key?

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clever:

justinh: sounds like a video codec i used back in the dos days

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justinh:

oh damn. I bet this vmware player thingy can't use both cores in the freebie version

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GreyFoxx:

the free vmware server can

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justinh:

ooo

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justinh:

well, seems to be using both cores here anyway, so...

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justinh:

gonna be officially back on the development track soon :)

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clever:

what host os?

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justinh:

not telling

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clever:

windows then?:(

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justinh:

so? I need my laptop for work so it's staying clean

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clever:

which is exactly what i wanted to hear:P

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clever:

i know how to get linux on windows without emulation

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justinh:

people talk about using windows like it's something people should be ashamed of

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clever:

i know and i do that most of the time

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clever:

but colinux works great to get linux and windows to equal SHARE the cpu

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justinh:

those people should try & do something really eye-poppingly creative on linux

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justinh:

and don't say Elephant's Dream :P

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clever:

colinux is a linux kernel that acts like a windows nic driver

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clever:

so windows will give it cpu/ram whenever it asks

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justinh:

sounds soft & hairy, like a 10 year old boiled sweet you find in an old coat pocket

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clever:

it works perfectly

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clever:

it just cant access any of the hardware from the linux side

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my2keh:

justinh>> you are always very creative with your descriptions lol

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clever:

ive got ubuntu 7.10 and a slave backend running inside colinux

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clever:

the only problems i have with colinux is the X11

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clever:

it cant access video so all graphics are done thru tcp to xming(win32 x server)

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justinh:

I kinda need a good working X server

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clever:

it works but it cant handle xv

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justinh:

and a fast one at that

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justinh:

not fussed about xv though

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clever:

i tried mplayer thru it once and its horid

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clever:

2 seconds/frame:P

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justinh:

I'll make an image of my newly installed machine tomorrow, then maybe I'll toy with the idea of dual boot

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clever:

i get faster framerates when using x11 over tcp with 2 seperate computers

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justinh:

I need to photograph the licence key on the underside of the box before it wears away to nothing, too

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clever:

same thing is happening to my laptops

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justinh:

bet yours are all older than mine though

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justinh:

they're not even frickin laminated. all that cash for an OS & the most important part of it- the bit you NEED isn't protected from the elements

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clever:

dell c600 d600 and d630

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justinh:

whatever they are. anyway, this lappy is like what 3 weeks old

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gbee:

mines laminated, not heavily but it is somewhat protected

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clever:

it still wears down

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gbee:

not that this laptop ever ran XP or is ever likely to (unless sold)

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justinh:

maybe I'll give my copy of ableton a spin in wine one day. it might run better on there – not that it's given me any jip since I downgraded to xp

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justinh:

wonder what midi controller support is like in linux

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clever:

i can bearly even find a player for midi files

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clever:

with the generator in software

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gbee:

justinh: you asked why people people talk about using Windows like it's something shameful, well IMHO Windows is like that £1000 Rolex which does the exact same job as a £5 watch – ok, not true for everyone but for most people

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blackest:

hi all

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justinh:

loads of linux apps even support VST plugins

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clever:

virtual studio?

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justinh:

gbee: yeah but there's that & there's realy going religious on people. I've seen it & it's ugly

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blackest:

can be erm fun midi in linux

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blackest:

ever tried guitar pro via wine ok till it gets complicated and then urgh

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gbee:

if you need Windows for that specific application – then fair enough, but people who run windows "just because" make me smile – if you don't mind paying £50,£100,£200 for the various licenses when you can get it for free ...

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justinh:

heh so I wouldn't be holding my breath about ableton under wine then – but apparently it can be made to work

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blackest:

um made to work is a broad term

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justinh:

oh yeah – I mean if it wasn't for the fact my wife needs _real_ MS Office apps on her laptop she'd have linux on hers.. and as for mine it'd just make life easier. a totally portable mythfrontend.. I can jive with that ;)

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blackest:

well there are ways and means

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blackest:

how about virtualbox integrated into your linux desktop

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justinh:

when I was shopping around I went beyond feeling pity for all the sheeple I saw being taken in my salespeople

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justinh:

s/my/by

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gbee:

I'm not even especially cheap ;) I just object to paying more than I need to, I might buy the most expensive laptop etc but I still shop around to get the best price

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blackest:

i'm cheap but then i tend to know what i am buying

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justinh:

what I DO object to is being forced to buy hardware with an OS which isn't even fit for purpose

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blackest:

had a bit of fun with office 2007 today

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justinh:

minimum 1GB RAM indeed. have you seen vista with only that amount of ram? jees

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justinh:

and I wasn't making up the dig about my 50GB partition which was over 40GB occupied – that was just some apps & the OS

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blackest:

what a stupid interface and of course the doc was in the docx format and the printer wasn't about to work but couldnt transfer it straight off coz the doc was in a stupid format

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gbee:

aye, but the current court cases/antitrust stuff against microsoft has shown that to be a deliberate understatement in order to drive sales

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blackest:

always has been windows 95 ran in 8 meg of ram

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blackest:

well crawled in 8 meg

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justinh:

I can honest;y say I've never seen a BSOD in XP.. well maybe after I gave up trying to capture video on it

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blackest:

I have a few times

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blackest:

mostly its bad drivers

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justinh:

oh yeah & the time I mistakenly installed a wrong driver. that was a reinstall job

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gbee:

people wanting windows on these new netbooks is a mystery to me – so they want reduced battery life, no HDD space and £50+ on the asking price ... for what exactly? Those things are only specced for stuff like browsing the net, office apps, email and maybe SD video – why do you need XP for that?

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justinh:

but then the first time I tried linux (RH3) I ended up reinstalling cos my monitor didn't support the res I changed it to

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blackest:

mythfrontend runs ok on a EEE btw :)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: fear of the unknown

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GreyFoxx:

and, they drank the kool-aid

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blackest:

generally its fear

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justinh:

even when it's no longer unknown people still flock back to windows though. why else would there be online howtos for putting XP on the likes of the eee?

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blackest:

The one thing linux is bad at is hiding the complexity

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justinh:

it's getting better, but it feels like water torture

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justinh:

but if it wasn't for the complexity I doubt I'd ever have got involved to the level I'm at now so I look at it as a GOOD thing

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highzeth:

blackest thats one of linux biggets pros imo

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blackest:

i had this arguement yesterday skype against sip the thing skype gets right for most people is its easy

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justinh:

gbee: I stumbled upon a page that said mediaportal was going to be ported to linux yesterday

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blackest:

give a simple interface to someone and mostly they are happy

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GreyFoxx:

Sip his hard?!?! YUou need to know 3 things, your sip server/proxy, your username and password. Done

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justinh:

turned out to be a load, but that led me to find an svn repo of a mediaportal skin. drown in xml files! DROWN!

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gbee:

justinh: hmm, I'm dubious of that – porting from Windows to linux is harder than the reverse IMHO

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GreyFoxx:

Now, some apps might try to be the be all end all app for you and have lots of other stuff

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gbee:

justinh: heh

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justinh:

gbee: it's deeply entrenched in .NET

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blackest:

A linux toaster would allow you to fine tune the temperature range time to the millisecond and take half an hour to set up for breakfast ;)

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justinh:

I'm not kidding about the number of xml files btw. no wonder so many of their skins suck

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justinh:

blackest: yeah but it wasn't developed just to make toast damnit. don't you know anything? gawd man

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gbee:

these netbooks have customised OSs which do hide the complexity, in fact they are designed to be utilitarian like mobiles – things are made harder by using windows since the interface isn't designed for small screens with limited resources (CPU, RAM, HDD)

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justinh:

here's hoping Shuttleworth never runs out of money...

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gbee:

people don't try to replace the OS on their phone with Windows just because they have it on their computer ....

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Dagmar:

You could have fooled me

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GreyFoxx:

BUT people do try to run linux on everything :)

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** Dagmar looks in the direction of a Treo **

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justinh:

it has a PORT!

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justinh:

look! we can hack it!

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blackest:

hmm i havent checked how the linux port is going on my xda recently

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: that's because they're cheap bastards and anything they can get someone else to tell them how to do is free

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justinh:

"but it's a keyring with a flashing LED inside"... "Yeah but...."

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justinh:

Dagmar: but you have to BUY the damn hardware in the first place – you effectively get the OS free

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blackest:

its been done already if your on about the ones with the little screens

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blackest:

justinh i sorted the voip thing its working well

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justinh:

I can understand wanting to add features the original manufacturer never bothered to add. that's cool

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GreyFoxx:

Man, I gotta say I love this Nokia N810, and the LCARS theme on it kinda gives the nerd in me the giggles

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justinh:

blackest: cool

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justinh:

maybe I will consider going into telecoms consulting then :D

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blackest:

in fact i started with a vonagething and hacked it to use sipgate and voipstun its now giving two lines to a pabx with 16 extensions

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gbee:

hmm, talking of LCARS, didn't someone on the production team for Star Trek have the forsight to patent that interface – now that Microsoft is implementing it they could have made a fortune

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blackest:

thats good fun to play with :) i am going to install it in a guest house later this month once i get it fully configured

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justinh:

gbee: did they? oh hell better tell dagmar

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blackest:

or picard

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Dagmar:

You can't patent artwork styles.

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Dagmar:

Michael Okuda basically "gets props" for inventing most of it

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Dagmar:

How is Microsoft "implementing" it?

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gbee:

justinh: heh, well it's not quite LCARS but their glass projection touchscreen stuff reminds me of it

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GreyFoxx:

I love it on this little it. Has all the right sounds and such. feels like hwo I would expect a PADD to feel

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justinh:

love the idea of their multitouch panel thingy. don't love the idea of watching telly on a screen covered in grease, though

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's full of fail.

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justinh:

quick, need to get thinking cap on & invent & patent a smear-free touchscreen

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blackest:

is net access slow on an n810

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GreyFoxx:

black: I don't find it particular slow

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justinh:

hahaha.. make it like the lens covers of F1 onboard cameras.. put it on rollers, clean it inside. quick! to the patent office!

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GreyFoxx:

using wifi that is

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use it via my cellphone

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GreyFoxx:

I find the voip client quite handy. I use it much more than I would have expected

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cafuego:

blackest: it's slow if you try to use facebook.

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cafuego:

Then again, so is my quad core ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

I login to my facebook account maybe once a month, so I haven't run into that :)

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blackest:

sorry just been watching a couple of videos and the first on spent a long time loading the maemo web page

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GreyFoxx:

maemo.org is slow, regardless of the n810

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cafuego:

it's not the quickest page in the word, i tyink.

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GreyFoxx:

I just setup a dev vm for it today, so I can compile a few apps I want to use on it, should be fun :)

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blackest:

the interface doesnt look very intuitive and the planet image is a bit ...

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cafuego:

GreyFoxx: Oh neet. I should do that actually.

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blackest:

mind the video showed a web browser a media player and that 2+2 = 4

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GreyFoxx:

caf: heh

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blackest:

the guy struggled to get the video started on it took a cpl of goes

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GreyFoxx:

ooh I have a test for it's browser

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** GreyFoxx loads mythweb's listings page **

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GreyFoxx:

Cool, only slightly slower than my laptop, and considering how many channels that's pretty cool

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cafuego:

bloody bloody

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justinh:

Britons warned to leave Georgia. Well DUH!

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clever:

how would i go about using a certain alsa device for playback?

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justinh:

"hey, there's a little bit of a local disagreement going on over there chaps, you might want to go away for a while".. jees

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** cafuego cannot be arsed setting up a 32bit chroot **

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clever:

cafuego: qemu can emulate 32bit for linux progs and relay the syscalls onward

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blackest:

did you see theres a few confused americans about where the russians are invading

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clever:

but it probly still needs 32bit libs

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cafuego:

clever: Oh i have a bunch of vms and other stuff

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blackest:

qemu is quite nice if a bit slow

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cafuego:

i guess i could plonk it on the 32bit etch vm

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clever:

blackest: yeah i ran xp in qemu, it was horid slow

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blackest:

i've got 2000 in quemu on a usb stick

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** cafuego runs xen on the multicore boxes, that seems to work fine **

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blackest:

since it doesnt need to install on the host system its pretty brilliant

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clever:

nice

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blackest:

i needed a portable setup with netbeans and it works

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clever:

i did the same with a win32 ff on my usb stick

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ahave:

hello room. could someone explain why i could have lost my mounted HD partitions when I upgraded ubuntu/mythtv?

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justinh:

blackest: heh yeah I did. maybe it was the ruskis who were really the confused ones ;)

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clever:

ahave: cat /proc/partitions is it sda or hda?

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blackest:

these days sda

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cafuego:

should be UUID even

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clever:

ahave: and does /etc/fstab have sda or hda for your new partitions

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ahave:

sda and also sdb, sdc

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clever:

blackest: yeah but the update may have changed hda->sda

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clever:

and he may have been using hda on the fstab

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ahave:

clever, well let me rephrase my questions.. i still have the partitions... but they are empty

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ahave:

and i can only see one of them when using df command

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clever:

ah

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clever:

ive got most of my stuff using UUID or /dev/mapper/something

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ahave:

and the df command seem to show 200+ GB of data

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ahave:

does this change anything?

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clever:

du --max=1|sort -n

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clever:

when ran in one of the mount points

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ahave:

i am not seeing anything with appropriate size

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ahave:

i had several gigs

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ahave:

ls

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ahave:

oops

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clever:

ls -a

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ahave:

what if i just say 'nevermind' and want to erase all and start again? what command to do that

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ahave:

i mostly had ripped DVDs and liveTV on there anyway

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ahave:

rm -R ?

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Kyler:

I'm missing a lot of movies in MythTV because they're marked as "Earlier Showing"...but I've never recorded them.

[02:07:36]

Kyler:

...and the program doesn't exist in recordedprogram.

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Kyler:

...or recorded;

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Kyler:

It's really crazy when I select the next showing and it says "This showing will not be recorded because this episode will be recorded at an earlier time instead." Uh...yeah, sure.

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Kyler:

...and it's not in oldrecorded either.

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Kyler:

Ah...I had a custom record that had "record only one showing".

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clever:

my mythtv is broken

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clever:

mpeg/h264utils.cpp:220: error: 'cout' was not declared in this scope http://pastebin.ca/1165492

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Dagmar:

So what

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clever:

Dagmar: what could have caused such an error!

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Dagmar:

Dude, if you don't know enough about C++ to sort that, you shouldn't be using trunk.

[02:35:00]

clever:

i fixed it now:P

[02:35:09]

clever:

i added an include to mythverbose.h

[02:35:22]

clever:

but the bigger thing, why is it missing from the svn repo:P

[02:35:57]

Dagmar:

You don't want to know my answer to this question.

[02:36:10]

clever:

wait a second

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clever:

svn status mythverbose.h

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clever:

? mythverbose.h

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Dagmar:

It's freaking TRUNK.

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Dagmar:

It's not always going to compile.

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clever:

i have 2 mythverbose.h files

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clever:

one that svn isnt paying attention to

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clever:

that would break things

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Dagmar:

There's _another_ thing I can't comment on.

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clever:

dont know where my 2nd one came from but id say its hiding the real one

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clever:

that should fix it properly

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clever:

or not

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clever:

make[2]: Entering directory `/media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/7.10/mythtv/libs/libmythtv'

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clever:

make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../libmyth/mythverbose.h', needed by `h264utils.o'. Stop.

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clever:

i'll just symlink so i dont wind up with a old invalid copy

[02:40:10]

clever:

actualy, removing the Makefile and redoing qmake may be better

[02:40:19]

clever:

yep

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Dagmar:

Or you know... learning C++.

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clever:

i know c++:P

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Dagmar:

...but you don't know enough to recognize when someone's in the middle of editing/authoring a file?

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clever:

the problem was a 2nd mythverbose.h that hasnt been updated in months

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clever:

now that ive removed it the code compiles properly

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Gumby:

anyone have issues with their schedules direct account recently? I just logged in and my lineups are gon

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Gumby:

e

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jblack:

checking

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jblack:

there's a big yellow sign about problems with TMS

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jblack:

Looks like it started 2 hours ago.

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Gumby:

whats TMS?

[02:56:17]

jblack:

Presumably "Tribune Media Service"

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GreyFoxx:

yeah problems these evening

[02:57:37]

jblack:

As long as you pulled data before the outage, you should be fine for a couple weeks

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GreyFoxx:

heh it wont be that long :)

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jblack:

It makes for a nice wide margin for error, though

[02:58:13]

Gumby:

darn, I just removed my data sources from mythtv

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jblack:

you're screwed. Hope your channels do EIT

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Dagmar:

Big yellow sign where?

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jblack:

the top of the page for http://schedulesdirect.org

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clever:

http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

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Dagmar:

Okay, so clearly the world is ending.

[03:01:59]

Dagmar:

You should take a seat, put your head between your legs, and try to remain calm until the world is destroyed.

[03:02:04]

jblack:

I haven't seen any zombies out yet.

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clever:

jblack: they must be scheduled for tomorow in your area

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kdub:

nbc broke tms

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Dagmar:

ORLY?

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clever:

YA RLY!

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kdub:

im not finishing that

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clever:

i dont remember anything else:P

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clever:

now lets see if the svn update fixed my bugs!

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robbins876:

Anyone know why i can't see some of my files, yet they show up in locate?

[03:08:27]

clever:

robbins876: locate uses a index which may point to files that have since been deleted

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robbins876:

clever, so i should updatedb then search again

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robbins876:

?

[03:08:48]

clever:

yep

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robbins876:

why would they have magically deleted i wonder? It was a LOT of files

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clever:

dont know what could have deleted them but it could also be other things

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robbins876:

such as?

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clever:

depends on where you where keeping them

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robbins876:

just on a sata drive

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clever:

i mean the path:P

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robbins876:

oh... /store/disk2/tv

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clever:

stuff in /tmp/ doesnt last long

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robbins876:

it's a hard drive dedicated to holding my tv shows

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clever:

doesnt sound like something thats normaly cleaned out by anything

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kdub:

is that hard drive

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kdub:

you know

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kdub:

mounted

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clever:

check that its actualy mounted there

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robbins876:

honestly, it was seasons of the simpsons, and they're not all gone, just a lot of them.

[03:11:05]

clever:

kdub: yeah i get that problem sometimes and thats the first thing i check

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robbins876:

yeah, it's mounted, because i can see other things that are on this drive, including some of the other seasons of simpsons.

[03:11:38]

clever:

fsck fsck!

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robbins876:

fsck?

[03:11:48]

clever:

umount and fsck the partition

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kdub:

fsck off

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clever:

clever@theP4:~/php$ whatis fsck

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clever:

fsck (8) – check and repair a Linux file system

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robbins876:

i need to google how to do that

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clever:

read the man page 'man fsck'

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Nostahl:

hi all where is the default location mythtv saves music too

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clever:

Nostahl: the one set in the settings

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Nostahl:

i gotta find it from out of myth frontend

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robbins876:

so just fsck /dev/sdc1 ??

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clever:

robbins876: yep, after unmounting

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robbins876:

i don't have fsck

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clever:

robbins876: let me guess, fedora or redhat?

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robbins876:

fedora

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robbins876:

man fsck brings up a man, but the command doesn't run anything

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clever:

they dont put sbin directorys in the PATH of nonroot users

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robbins876:

oh

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robbins876:

my bad

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clever:

and you need root anyway

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clever:

su up and try again

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robbins876:

done.

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robbins876:

hopefully this finds my damn files

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clever:

ive dealt with bad sectors in ext3 alot before and luckily most of my damage was to things i could recompile

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robbins876:

ext3 not the best or what

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robbins876:

?

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clever:

bigest problem is that its hard to properly recompile when you still have bad sectors toasting the new stuff

[03:16:57]

clever:

i havent used others much so i cant compare them

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robbins876:

how long should this fsck take?

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clever:

depends on the size and speed of the drive

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robbins876:

huge and 7200rpm

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robbins876:

500gb

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clever:

speed asin mb/sec

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robbins876:

oh, my bad

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robbins876:

no idea

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clever:

my system used to take hours to fsck but then i discovered half the lvm array was on a 40 wire ide ribbon

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clever:

10mb/sec

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robbins876:

these are sata

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clever:

yeah so it should be much faster

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robbins876:

if shit is borked will this fix it?

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clever:

it will try to fix what it can

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

fingers crossed!

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Nostahl:

so where is music stored by default

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robbins876:

if this fsck finds nothing, what could be some other reasons why my files have mysteriously disappeared?

[03:20:09]

Dagmar:

robbins: Umm.. what happened?

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clever:

Nostahl: cant think of any others right now

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robbins876:

Dagmar, i have multiple seasons of the simpsons stored on a hard drive, and i just went to watch some and they were missing

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robbins876:

so upon further inspection, something like 10 out of the 19 seasons are missing

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robbins876:

the parent directory still exists, but the files within are gone

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clever:

oops

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Dagmar:

Were these recorded by MythTV?

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robbins876:

i've been recording those thigns for years, i will kill myself if they're gone

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robbins876:

Dagmar, no sir

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robbins876:

tivo

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Dagmar:

Okay, so then we can probably rule out automatic expiration.

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Dagmar:

Take a look in the lost+found directory.

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Dagmar:

That's where they'll be if they weren't cleanly deleted.

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Dagmar:

When was the last time you wrote to this disk?

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clever:

forgot about lost+found, and he is currently in a fsck so he cant see it

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robbins876:

Dagmar, uhh...last night i put some stuff on the drive

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Dagmar:

Yeah... that's going to be a problem then.

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Dagmar:

What filesystem are you using on that disk?

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robbins876:

ext3

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Dagmar:

Okay, so there are ext3 undelete tools, but their success ratios are ***HIGHLY*** dependent on whether or not you've written to the disk since the deletion.

[03:24:16]

Dagmar:

It's worth a shot installing one and trying it, PROVIDED you don't mount that disk read-write again until you're told to by the tools.

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robbins876:

i dont' know when the ifles were deleted, because i was watching some last night after i had put stuff on the disk

[03:24:17]

robbins876:

i think

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Dagmar:

Reading the disk shouldn't incur much of anything except atime mods, which are /usually/ okay.

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Dagmar:

If you did something like _try to compile the ext3 undeletion tools_ on there (which is the corner most people paint themselves into) they'd just be gone

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Dagmar:

You *might* be able to recover them ata this point tho

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Dagmar:

Allow me to suggest soemthing to you tho, because this is what I do.

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Dagmar:

Anything you want to keep "forever" you go ahead and bundle into ISO images, and then burn them to DVD.

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Dagmar:

Keep the ISO images around, mount them over loopback.

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robbins876:

so many gigabytes!

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clever:

i was burning data to dvd's and deleting just to get the space

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clever:

and a few of the disks have started to grow bad sectors

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Dagmar:

Even if you don't back up the stuff onto DVD, it's not possible to accidentally delete a file from inside an ISO9660 image...

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Dagmar:

...and you can't actually delete the file once it's mounted over the loop interface.

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clever:

could just chmod -w the directory:P

[03:27:16]

Dagmar:

FAIL

[03:27:17]

Dagmar:

No.

[03:27:23]

Dagmar:

That won't stop shit.

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Dagmar:

Don't listen to clever.

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clever:

depends on whats doing the deleting

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robbins876:

what's this undelete app called?

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Dagmar:

Well, there's "CAN'T BE DELETED FROM" and there's "depends"

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Dagmar:

Which do you THINK is the one that has the "100% not deletable from" sticker on it?

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clever:

and the iso file can still be deleted:P

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Dagmar:

ah crap

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robbins876:

not if you have it on a disc

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Dagmar:

clever: What part of "can't be deleted once mounted" is confusing you?

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clever:

you could also have lvm with a seperate LV for every season, and just remount the ext3 read only

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clever:

Dagmar: yeah after you mount it the iso image is protected but before then or during bootup or crash

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Dagmar:

ouch. Something i'd forgotten about ext3 here...

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Dagmar:

It zeros the stuff in the directory tree

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Dagmar:

You might be able to recover the linked fragments still tho

[03:29:50]

Dagmar:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

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Dagmar:

clever: In which case you lose the entire thing or you lose none of it.

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robbins876:

fsck did nothing

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clever:

ext3 feels better for undelete then fat32 if you look at how the data sectors are pointed at

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Dagmar:

fsck isn't going to do anything about accidental deletions.

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Dagmar:

If anything tried to keep those files around, they'll be in the lost+found directory at the root of the filesystem.

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Dagmar:

otherwise, unmoount that disk or just mount it read-write until you've taken a shot at undeleting

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clever:

sounds like a good plan

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Dagmar:

*Every* *write* *to* *that* *filesystem* further decreases the chances you'll recover anything.

[03:31:31]

Nostahl:

what part of the file system does mythtv save music too

[03:31:35]

Nostahl:

i am not finding it...

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Dagmar:

Nostahl: How about "it doesn't save music"

[03:32:59]

Nostahl:

i ripped my entire cd collection s

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Nostahl:

so it does save music lol i jsut gotta find where so i can back it up

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Dagmar:

Then I would suppose `find / -iname "*.mp3"` might eventually turn up something

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Nostahl:

ty

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clever:

Dagmar: you could also point him towards the settings which control where its saved

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Nostahl:

i cant log into there lol

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Dagmar:

Nostahl: Then it doesn't much matter where the files are now does it

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Nostahl:

??

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Dagmar:

If you can't login then you can't access the files anyway

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Nostahl:

what kind of point were you trying to make there lol

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Dagmar:

That you don't have to wait on find.

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Dagmar:

:)

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robbins876:

I'm giving up on these stupid seasons of the simpsons

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robbins876:

i need to go cry myself to sleep

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prometheus3995au:

hi all

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prometheus3995au:

i am trying to install mythtv on f9 using yum. when i run yum install mythtv, i get dependency missing errors can someone help please

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kdub:

prometheus3995au, i would not recommend fedora 9

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kdub:

unless maybe you are using intel video

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prometheus3995au:

i spent all weekend installing it and getting network going :(

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

well, fedora is fine, but they decided to use a pre release x server in F9

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prometheus3995au:

originally started with gentoo but it just wouldnt go for me

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kdub:

so the video drivers all suck

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cesman:

prometheus3995au: are you going for a dedicated Myth box?

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gregL:

<prometheus3995au>: What repo do you have enabled?

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prometheus3995au:

for carpc

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kdub:

there is a carpc distro based on ubuntu mobile

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kdub:

have you looked at that?

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prometheus3995au:

didnt know about that one

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prometheus3995au:

looking it up now

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kdub:

http://wiki.openice.org/index.php/The_LinuxICE_Project

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kdub:

honestly i have no idea if its any good

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kdub:

just remember coming across it a while ago

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kdub:

damn it actually looks kind of slick

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kdub:

the themes at least

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kdub:

heh

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prometheus3995au:

chwcking

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prometheus3995au:

can someone tell me the command for yum to find dependencies i am missing are

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cesman:

yum find deps > google

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iamlindoro:

har har

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cesman:

I wasn't trying to be funny

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cesman:

I don't use fedora, but if I wanted to know how to use yum, I know how to use google...

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iamlindoro:

Well you were trying to be a *little* funny ;)

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cesman:

no, not really

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cesman:

if I was, I'd have directed him to #yumfindpes ;)

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Gumby:

can someone remind me of the program that I can run on the command line to listen to ir remote signals?

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Gumby:

irw!!

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clever:

that one doesnt actualy listen to the remote, it listens to lircd

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clever:

lircd then normaly listens to the kernel driver

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clever:

which listens to the actual hardware

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Gumby:

well, either way...its what I needed :) thanks for the info though

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Zoiks:

anyone here know why mythtv is the only program on my computer that does not have sound

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Zoiks:

it used to but it has stopped working

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strike:

does anyone have suggestions on how to fix a choppy picture and sound in mythtv – ubuntu p4 2.6 1088 frames in glxgears high speed usb dvb tuner with firmware

[09:02:35]

strike:

i have tried quite a lot to get this far

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justinh:

mythfrontend -v playback will be most illuminating

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justinh:

the finger of blame usually points to having ATI graphics hardware first

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sid3windr:

yeah it's to be avoided :-(

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justinh:

until such time as Xv is fixed in ATI linux drivers for the majority of cards people will still advise folk to avoid ATI

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justinh:

either that or until opengl video rendering is flawless – whichever happens first

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sid3windr:

on windows also to be avoided ;/

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justinh:

was reading a cablecard article the other day & saw photos of an ATI 'USB cable tuner'. It was the size of a large games console :D

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sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

it looks like a ps3

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gbee:

ATi proprietary drivers are fine for recent cards

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

so they're better than the windows drivers? :)

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justinh:

is there some list of which 'recent cards' are properly supported?

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gbee:

no idea, don't use windows – but they are equal to, or better than the Nvidia linux drivers

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directhex:

gbee, 8.6 was broken in myth last i tested it

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gbee:

directhex: how so?

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directhex:

utterly. major screen corruption with anything gl-related turned on

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gbee:

justinh: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 7_linux.html

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gbee:

directhex: hmm, not made the jump from 8.5 yet, but I was speaking to someone the other day who was using 8.7 just fine

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justinh:

hmm quite an extensive list there

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directhex:

gbee, i still, as of late june, haven't used an ati linux driver that isn't broken in some way

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justinh:

known issues.. "XServer may fail when playing media files with XVideo enabled. Further details can be found in topic number 737–35968"

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directhex:

gbee, the same rules apply today as they did in 2004. ati need to show me that they're not borken, for me to change my opinion. and experience has yet to show that

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gbee:

directhex: guess experience varies

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waxhead_:

hey everyone

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lrtop:

hello

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waxhead_:

hmmm tossing up whether or not to buy a 2nd dual tuner card...

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lrtop:

I have a weird problem. mythfrontend sometime crashes when I use live tv ( watch tv option) I tried using '-v all ' several time and there is no consistency . the backend continue to work but always gives the error 'finished recording X'

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justinh:

that's not an error message

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lrtop:

ofcourse it isn;t

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justinh:

to you there is no consistency in the mythfrontend log, but maybe you're missing something ;)

[10:11:30]

lrtop:

my bad

[10:11:50]

lrtop:

yeah

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waxhead_:

has anyone got any solutions to extend a backend?

[10:12:04]

lrtop:

I'll post several of them

[10:12:25]

waxhead_:

it's looking like I'll have a backend, and i'll have to "distribute" to more than one TV..

[10:13:06]

justinh:

into a paste website, not into the channel please

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directhex:

extend it by adding more tuners. or more backends.

[10:14:20]

justinh:

or eat more cake, that's good for making a back end bigger apparently

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waxhead_:

yep.. more cake isn't a problem...

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waxhead_:

I'll stick another dual tuner in, that gives me 4....

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justinh:

really? 2+2 = 4?

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justinh:

:-O

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waxhead_:

the question I have is, what's the best way putting front ends on a tv?

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waxhead_:

justinh: who'd have thought huh?? :)

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justinh:

assuming the tv's top is wide enough, just perch it up there ;)

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fatmatt:

hey gang

[10:24:12]

justinh:

but if it's like a slim flat panel you might have to jerry rig a stand of some kind to put the frontend on the tv

[10:24:23]

directhex:

the general advice given is the mac mini is about the best frontend you can get. the general advice given is also that teh mac si teh suxxxx!

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waxhead_:

what sort of hareware is needed at the most minimum for a front end though?

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justinh:

what sort of car do I need to drive to London?

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directhex:

for SD? >1ghz p3. for hd? >2ghz multi-core

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directhex:

justinh, a tank would be good

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justinh:

notice I haven't told you any of the requirements like comfort, economy or how long I want it to take!

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waxhead_:

yeah, I know it's a silly "how longs is a piece of string" question...

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justinh:

you need a CPU, some RAM, maybe a HDD but definitely as case & PSU

[10:26:04]

waxhead_:

but I was wondering if there's a "general" mimimum" limit...

[10:26:19]

waxhead_:

I was wondering if the mini atx is sort of thing is an option....

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justinh:

there is. 128MB RAM is the minimum ram requirement for a frontend (realistically) and a REAL (i.e. not Via) CPU

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justinh:

that's just for SDTV

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fatmatt:

anyone got tv tips for me, I upgraded my ubuntu mythtv box, in the process I messed up the settings for the tv out, got an nvidia geforce 6200, can't get the prop nvidia drivers to work so I'm using the kernel nv one, picture doesn't fill the screen

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justinh:

for HDTV, like directhex says, think bigger. like > 1GB RAM, for mpeg2 HDTV, > 1.5Ghz. For 'h.264' HD playback, think multicore > 2Ghz

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justinh:

fatmatt: you need the binary drivers for tvout to work properly

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justinh:

or to put it another way, the tvout won't work properly without the nvidia binary drivers

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directhex:

or video playback

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waxhead_:

thanks justinh, directhex

[10:28:39]

justinh:

or 3d

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fatmatt:

justinh, yeah, thought it was something like that.

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waxhead_:

what's the benefit of a decent video card then?

[10:29:15]

waxhead_:

could i go cheap on a gfx card?

[10:29:18]

justinh:

video playback working well in linux – that's the biggest benefit

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waxhead_:

I got a 8600 in the main box....

[10:29:32]

justinh:

waxhead_: cheap as in 'just a nvidia card' ? yes

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fatmatt:

got any tips re modes or xorg.conf? I can get nvidia to compile/setup but I get x errors

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justinh:

no need to splurge on some gazillion megatexel-load-of-bullshit $4000 card

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directhex:

running nvidia-setup will kill ubuntu

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directhex:

this is your tip for the day. feel free to ignore it. most people do

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waxhead_:

but like I said I need to extend the main box now... due to a house change... at the moment the one box is hooked up to everything...

[10:30:42]

justinh:

waxhead_: you've been answered. stop procrastinating

[10:30:45]

** fatmatt has killed ubuntu a few times, thus the visit here **

[10:30:56]

waxhead_:

yes yes...

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directhex:

step 1, stop fucking with things and editing config files

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directhex:

step 2, just click the icon to enable nvidia drivers

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waxhead_:

so I'm going to have to build more boxes...

[10:31:30]

directhex:

system, administration, hardware drivers

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justinh:

yes. if you labour under the illusion you can serve multiple televisions with just one machine, think again!

[10:32:09]

waxhead_:

my mythbunthu box is solid as... after I got the remote working I've been really happy with it... so many hours of tv to watch!

[10:33:02]

waxhead_:

justinh: I should be able to "server" multiple front ends though no?

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directhex:

justinh, well, TECHNICALLY...

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directhex:

waxhead_, that's the idea

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fatmatt:

I don't have a keyboard or a mouse on that box, it's plugged into the tv, ratpoison is the wm of choice. ANy changes I make are generally via ssh

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directhex:

fatmatt, lovely.

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fatmatt:

been that way for about 6 years now. ONly when distributons stop being supported and I notice that I have to mess with it

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waxhead_:

ermm.. that's serve.. not server...

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justinh:

directhex: technically, yes. but we're talking to mr Joe Average now

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Freman:

hey guys, how can I see which transport myth is using for a channel?

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directhex:

fatmatt, nvidia-glx-new package. make sure xorg.conf is set to use "nvidia". every single line in xorg.conf is potentially broken, remove any fancy lines you copy-pasted from the internet, go for the simplest config you can

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justinh:

select mplexid from channel where name="channelname";

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Freman:

wow, it's using the wrong one...

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justinh:

that'll be a user error then

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justinh:

either that or the channel has moved. sounds like a rescan is in order

[10:39:14]

Freman:

channel has moved, I manually put in the new transport, and scanned on that transport, but it hasn't saved it

[10:39:19]

justinh:

why digital channels have to be shuffled around so often is totally beyond me

[10:39:32]

Freman:

you and me both

[10:39:35]

justinh:

so, delete all channels.. rescan. pain in the arse. blame the provider

[10:40:51]

Freman:

can't just change the id manually? :)

[10:41:23]

justinh:

you could, but I wouldn't advise it

[10:42:15]

justinh:

if you know what you're doing, go ahead but bear in mind that the tranport isn't the only thing that could have changed (think serviceid too)

[10:42:58]

justinh:

personally I'd be a hypocrite & mangle the mysql myself despite always imploring users to do the opposite ;)

[10:43:17]

Freman:

I concur :)

[10:43:45]

** Freman goes to look at service id **

[10:44:27]

Freman:

how come myth doesn't update my existing channel 9's? or is that a comming attraction? :)

[10:45:01]

justinh:

it can't

[10:45:22]

justinh:

because surprisingly it expects things to stay the same

[10:45:29]

Freman:

hehe

[10:45:43]

justinh:

it can account for some changes, like dynamic PID allocation though

[10:46:42]

justinh:

in theory, it could spot that changes have taken place & update itself – but all that assumes the broadcasters tow the line

[10:46:47]

Freman:

it looks like just deleting the channel 9's and scanning that frequency fixed it

[10:47:05]

Freman:

this is australia... we can't even get them to run within 20 minutes of on time

[10:47:52]

justinh:

take it easy man, have another tinnie

[10:47:57]

justinh:

;)

[10:48:04]

Freman:

ah bastardaradlkfja;9U2HF93GAN;FD

[10:48:07]

Freman:

that didn't work

[10:48:14]

** Freman goes and deletes the rogue frequency **

[10:49:42]

Freman:

hey justinh, my transports – the one I added doesn't have netid, or tid..

[10:49:45]

Freman:

is that ok?

[10:49:56]

waxhead_:

ha.... tv in australia is terrible for timing...

[10:50:00]

justinh:

no it needs those

[10:50:06]

waxhead_:

you need 4 tuners to get around it...

[10:50:13]

Freman:

hmmm where does it get that from?

[10:50:16]

justinh:

netid will be the same for all channels AFAIK

[10:50:23]

Freman:

nope :)

[10:50:28]

justinh:

or at least for all multiplexes

[10:50:30]

Freman:

I have netid 4112 and 12802

[10:50:57]

justinh:

I can see you deleting all your channels & doing a full rescan

[10:51:14]

Freman:

eaugh... my poor programming guide :(

[10:51:38]

waxhead_:

Freman: are you using shepherd?

[10:52:03]

Freman:

yeh

[10:52:11]

Freman:

can I delete the transports also/

[10:52:37]

Freman:

or rather, should I delete the transports also? :)

[10:53:12]

justinh:

did you delete any transports before?

[10:53:16]

Freman:

nope

[10:54:10]

justinh:

so all you've done is update the channel row with the new serviceid & mplexid ?

[10:54:22]

Freman:

no, deleted all my channels

[10:54:22]

justinh:

or was it on a new frequency altogether?

[10:54:36]

Freman:

it was a completely new frequency all together

[10:54:47]

Freman:

original was like 75 something new one is 16something

[10:54:49]

justinh:

do a full scan then

[10:55:05]

Freman:

it found 9 twice :(

[10:56:00]

Freman:

it's still on the wrong frequency

[10:56:06]

Freman:

746500000

[10:57:49]

Freman:

191625000

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justinh:

sounds like timing isn't their only problem

[10:57:56]

Freman:

now it's on the right one/me waits for it to finish scanning

[10:58:37]

** Freman headdesks **

[10:58:53]

Freman:

it find it on the right frequency, then it finds it on the second frequency and overwrites the right frequency

[10:59:12]

justinh:

should be easy to put right

[10:59:49]

justinh:

looks like db mangling is the only way forward for you though :P

[11:00:16]

Freman:

then it forgets the right freuqncy

[11:00:25]

Freman:

there's no 191625000 in the db

[11:01:09]

Freman:

how can I force it to use channels.conf?

[11:08:11]

Freman:

there

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Freman:

update dtv_multiplex set frequency = 191625000 WHERE frequency = 746500000

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Freman:

FIXED

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Freman:

thans justinh

[11:25:57]

Freman:

all sorted now :)

[11:29:09]

justinh:

well, that'd work so long as it was the only channel on that mux

[11:29:35]

justinh:

I dunno how they play it in Oz but over here that'd bugger up a lot of other channels

[11:30:12]

Freman:

there's only one on the mux

[11:30:14]

Freman:

channel 9

[11:30:59]

justinh:

seems like a waste

[11:31:09]

Freman:

now to fix everything else I broke

[11:31:11]

justinh:

how many channels do you get on terrestrial tv?

[11:31:27]

mzb_d800:

<12 ;)

[11:32:59]

justinh:

wow. way less than us, but then there aren't many channels here with stuff on worth watching. there are about 4 shopping channels, 4 'music' channels, 'interactive' services counted as channels...

[11:33:00]

Freman:

4

[11:33:04]

Freman:

not including the hd versions

[11:33:16]

Freman:

or the copies

[11:33:22]

Freman:

wait

[11:33:23]

Freman:

no 9

[11:33:25]

Freman:

err 5

[11:33:57]

Freman:

ABC, SBS, Nine, Seven, Ten – then you have the offshoots and clones ABC2, SBS2, SBS-News

[11:34:02]

Freman:

anything else is jut a streight copy

[11:34:54]

justinh:

we have too many +1 channels too

[11:35:24]

mzb_d800:

abc1 != abc2, sbs != sbs news, and seven have an offshoot (which isn't always the same)

[11:35:47]

mzb_d800:

so 8 + HD

[11:35:53]

mzb_d800:

iirc

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justinh:

how many analogue channels did you have?

[11:36:13]

mzb_d800:

less ;)

[11:36:31]

justinh:

I'm old enough to remember when we only had 3 in the UK

[11:36:53]

mzb_d800:

I remember 2 ... made life simpler ;)

[11:37:14]

mzb_d800:

still got into trouble changing from #2 though ;)

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directhex:

i remember when the closest thing we had to a tv channel was the children sitting in a box!

[11:37:35]

directhex:

get off my lawn!

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

oh gawd. freeshat gets more useless channels

[11:38:48]

directhex:

channel 5?

[11:38:58]

justinh:

BETV, & 2 shawping channels

[11:39:47]

justinh:

no, I don't know what BET TV UK is either

[11:39:54]

directhex:

oh dear

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Freman:

I know this is a bit beyond the scope of this chan... but can anyone see why xorg is trying to force my poor projector to display 1600x1200 based on this config: http://paste-bin.com/13601 – that config used to work until I updated my video driver tonight...

[11:40:37]

justinh:

ah apparently it's "Black Entertainment Television UK"

[11:41:14]

directhex:

Freman, what an overcomplex xorg.conf.

[11:41:23]

directhex:

Freman, xorg.0.log would be useful at this point

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Freman:

it's complex?

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directhex:

yes. as soon as i see things like busid, alarm bells start ringing

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justinh:

well, just found out what caused the loud scream we heard from one of the labs earlier

[11:43:05]

directhex:

justinh, a rabid walrus on the loose?

[11:43:26]

directhex:

GRRRRRRRRR! eek! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! eeeeeeeeeeeek!

[11:43:33]

justinh:

apparently a rack full of machines we put together last week met an untimely end due to a van driver manoevering his vehicle with the back doors open

[11:44:26]

directhex:

justinh, permission to chuckle?

[11:44:36]

justinh:

maybe his previous job was on The Herald Of Free Enterprise

[11:45:07]

Freman:

http://paste-bin.com/13602 <- that's the log...

[11:45:08]

justinh:

permission? heh. we've just been falling about over it ourselves

[11:46:03]

directhex:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/duncan0/NGGYU.jpg

[11:46:24]

justinh:

the tech guy was on the phone when he expressed his displeasure that way. must've been some conversation. me so solly, me no locky door. wack fell oww of van onto concleet!

[11:47:08]

justinh:

that was close. thank f I recognised the acronym. naughty directhex

[11:47:29]

directhex:

it's not a video!

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justinh:

well, no shame in being rick rolled I spose

[11:48:28]

justinh:

or does that term only apply to slyly linking video?

[11:51:04]

directhex:

it applies only to slyly linking the video, i'm afraid

[11:51:31]

directhex:

on a completely unrelated note, look at this video of cute puppies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[11:53:15]

justinh:

hmmm. what's with these popups that won't go away on mythweb then?

[11:53:23]

Freman:

[21:51:31] [URL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | Title: RickRoll'D

[11:53:27]

Freman:

nice try

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directhex:

curses!

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Freman:

;)

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laga:

justinh: popups? like "1 request pending"?

[11:55:33]

justinh:

laga: no, show description popups

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Freman:

seems either edid is broken mby my new kernel or by the new nvidia driver

[12:05:14]

Freman:

manually hammering in the frequencies works

[12:05:41]

Freman:

god only knows what it looks like on tv now but hey...

[12:07:06]

justinh:

hahaha the gormless van driver was in the UK

[12:09:30]

justinh:

btw gbee expect to see the first theme commits rolling in this week. got my vm working with trunk now. won't be testing TV features though ;)

[12:09:51]

gbee:

great, thanks

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justinh:

have the changes you've made been merged back into trunk or will I be operating on the branch?

[12:11:54]

justinh:

oops my bad. no branch for that. duh. smack!

[12:12:10]

Freman:

now after all that

[12:12:20]

Freman:

I'm going to sit and enjoy an episode of stargate

[12:12:54]

justinh:

btw gbee I really hate to say this but I noticed something with the pretty new popup dialogs this morning. the shadow is clipped

[12:14:01]

gbee:

yeah I know, it's not the only one, I keep meaning to fix it

[12:14:30]

justinh:

you could leave that to me if you like, I won't mind – if you're busy with important stuff ;)

[12:15:25]

justinh:

I noticed problems with mythcenter-wide. the new watermarks I added are the wrong bleddy size!

[12:15:56]

justinh:

still, nobody else seems to have noticed. does anybody use these things after all? ;)

[12:19:51]

laga:

they were probably too scared to talk to you

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justinh:

lol

[12:20:56]

justinh:

still, respect << fear

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tjcarter:

justinh: I don't use MythCenter =)

[12:26:46]

tjcarter:

I use Glass with a darkened poiple

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justinh:

I wouldn't be seen dead using mythcenter either – it's not spelled right for one thing

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gbee:

justinh: it's ok, I've got the original images, won't take five minutes

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justinh:

lucky buggers in Ireland. h.264 DTV from the very off

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fatmatt:

hmm, should I remove the nv driver via synaptic if I want nvidia prop drivers to work?

[12:35:07]

gbee:

shouldn't need to

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fatmatt:

using x forwarding to configure video is probably not a good thing to do

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tjcarter:

fatmatt: I've done that =D

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directhex:

fatmatt, no. removing nv comes under the "fucking about" header

[12:36:21]

directhex:

and removes a fallback safety net

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fatmatt:

directhex, yah, was thinking that

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justinh:

if you don't specify the nv driver in xorg.conf you're good. no need to uninstallify-erize it :P

[12:37:09]

fatmatt:

last time I had to mess with this the only option was the prop drivers.

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gbee:

still is

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** justinh sends another pdf invoice out. beats faxing **

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Freman:

nite all

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gbee:

wonder why the radio icon was used for netflix in mythcenter

[13:08:45]

justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

some people's idea of logic is just perverse. that's my take on it

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justinh:

ahh mythrecipe. of coiurse

[13:23:31]

justinh:

gbee: I'll fix those while I'm on with the porting

[13:24:09]

gbee:

already done, I'm doing mythcenter now

[13:24:32]

justinh:

hell leave some for me! :)

[13:24:56]

gbee:

heh

[13:25:05]

justinh:

oh wait. there's enough for me already if I count /themes

[13:25:12]

justinh:

not that I was going to

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** gbee wonders why the cake image is called pie.png **

[13:25:38]

justinh:

because some parts of the world have strange linguistic kinks?

[13:25:57]

justinh:

seen cakes called pies before somewhere

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gbee:

you can have mythcenter-wide and retro, janneg was going to do that latter but I don't think he'd mind

[13:30:11]

justinh:

retro could use some new icons IIRC

[13:30:31]

justinh:

wonder if anybody's seen gerhard recently

[13:30:33]

gbee:

I still have to figure out what I'm going to do with minimalist/blue

[13:32:29]

gbee:

btw you can now define a default watermark which will be used when there isn't one defined for that button

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justinh:

oh cool

[13:33:02]

justinh:

I've had blank.png ready for that for ages :)

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gbee:

DEFAULT

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justinh:

btw did you see that LWE is on again this October? it coincides with my wedding anniversary again so I won't be going

[13:37:12]

justinh:

I think they're still after people for the .org village so if anybody else wants to exhibit...

[13:37:43]

gbee:

hmm

[13:39:03]

gbee:

I'm not big on organising these things, but I'm quite happy to turn up if someone else does all the hard work ;)

[13:39:29]

justinh:

I could organise it I suppose & just not go

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justinh:

oh wait nothing says I'd have to be there for the whole time

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justinh:

I think the smart money would be on laptops this time. much as it's impressive to have big displays, we ain't 'selling' ;)

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justinh:

well, I've dropped em a line on spec. if there's room I'll see about getting a clutch of peeps together. I have to rethink my accomodation this time though – not paying £80 a night to stay in a fleapit again

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gbee:

cool

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justinh:

pity my mate lives on completely the wrong side of town. E17 might aswell be Manchester

[14:03:52]

Dibblah:

Meh. A projector's the way to go ;)

[14:03:52]

gbee:

heh, my sister's just moved from Wimbledon to Chicago

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gbee:

if the booths were bigger maybe :) ... could project on the ceiling ...

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** Dibblah just ordered a http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 **

[14:05:53]

Dibblah:

(motherboard with integrated Intel X3500 GPU)

[14:06:52]

Dibblah:

Because the little I945 (G950) can't cope with a virtual >2048 screen – Therefore I can't use both of my monitors :(

[14:07:06]

Dibblah:

So, I now get to find if vsync is any better on this chipset.

[14:07:37]

Dibblah:

+ it does real pixel shaders, so when -vid gets merged...

[14:08:10]

justinh:

vsync is mostly fine on my rig

[14:08:22]

Dibblah:

You're using TV out, though, right?

[14:08:26]

justinh:

yeah

[14:08:37]

Dibblah:

Slightly less critical, then.

[14:08:58]

justinh:

it's been so long now since I hacked those drivers I can't remember what needed fixing & what didn't

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Dibblah:

OpenGL Vsync is broken if you're not using a 3d surface.

[14:09:56]

Dibblah:

On the X drivers.

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gbee:

and people hate ATi drivers

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Dibblah:

gbee: The difference is, there's a patch...

[14:11:24]

Dibblah:

And the devs recognise it as an issue.

[14:12:13]

gbee:

difference is that the ATi drivers work – well for some people at least ;)

[14:12:25]

Dibblah:

Intel works just fine...

[14:12:41]

Dibblah:

And has true XV surfaces, etc ;)

[14:12:43]

directhex:

not most, but certainly somer

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justinh:

we know some people get lucky – it'd be good if more got lucky, repeatably

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gbee:

directhex: not going to argue, I did say some and not most, but I've also met more people that have no problems with the ATi drivers than those that do

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laga:

the free ati drivers?

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gbee:

my personal experience has been great with ATi drivers, much better even that the Nvidia on all counts – performance, image quality, features and stability

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gbee:

laga: no

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gbee:

I'm not saying that anyone should chose ATi over Nvidia or Intel, but that they shouldn't be so quick to dismiss them either

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gbee:

but like I said, that's just my experience

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** gbee waits for his paycheck from AMD **

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laga:

heh

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directhex:

ehm... performance?

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kdubya:

i agree

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kdubya:

nvidia driver barely even work with the x server in fedora 9

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kdubya:

and they arnt in any hurry to fix it

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directhex:

i've seen 3:1 thrashings of ati cards costing 3x as much

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laga:

gbee: well, you're referring to the binary only driver. free driver is a different story probably

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kdubya:

if i turn on the nvidia driver it takes a full second to redraw xchat

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kdubya:

with a 8600gt

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directhex:

kdubya, kde4?

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gbee:

directhex: on linux?

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kdubya:

gnome

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laga:

nvidia works fine here. on ubuntu ;)

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directhex:

gbee, on linux.

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kdubya:

well its not ubuntu's or fedora's fault that drivers work

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kdubya:

they arnt writing the drivers

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gbee:

well I can't argue since I've not seen those benchmarks, just going on experience again

[14:20:21]

kdubya:

i should probably be at work

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laga:

true, but ubuntu puts more effort in having worker binary drivers and they don't ship as much bleeding edge stuff as fedora.

[14:20:42]

kdubya:

yeah

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gbee:

and I'm not talking about 3D performance, but only those things relevant to MythTV 2D/opengl Xvideo

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directhex:

laga, i note you're staying out of discussions involving wget -> sources.list.d in #ubuntu-motu

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gbee:

since the only ATi stuff I have is used in frontends

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laga:

directhex: yes, i need to get some stuff done here ;))

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directhex:

gbee, the last two ati drivers i used were fucked and, erm, fucked. 8.3 has no functional xv, and 8.6 has no functional gl

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directhex:

and corrupted xv

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gbee:

8.3 lacked XV as a feature for some chipsets, it was added in 8.4 – 8.4/8.5 have worked just beautifully for me

[14:23:20]

laga:

gah, german man pages are annoying

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gbee:

8.6 apparently works fine with mythtv for a guy I was talking to the other week

[14:24:28]

gbee:

but I can't verify that

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directhex:

as well as helping a friend & needing to roll back, i've seen people come in here with 8.6 trouble

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gbee:

I'm not going to blame ATi for breaking some releases, Nvidia have broken every other release for the last few years, so long as their is a version with the features I need and stability

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gbee:

s/their/there/

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directhex:

hm, do you log irc?

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gbee:

I'm tired of this subject

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gbee:

directhex: only as long as I'm in the channel

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gbee:

and -users, just #mythtv

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gbee:

s/and/and not/

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Shadow__X:

gbee, 8.6 hasnt worked for me ith myrruptionthtv i hget co

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laga:

what?

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directhex:

heh, situational irony at its best

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gbee:

;)

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Shadow__X:

?

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directhex:

"<Shadow__X> gbee, 8.6 hasnt worked for me ith myrruptionthtv i hget co" is, itself, corrupted

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

alright

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Shadow__X:

wine gives corruption as well

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sid3windr:

myrruption tv

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gbee:

justinh: should be able to lift the watermarks statetype for mythcenter-wide directly from mythcenter

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gbee:

just change the <position>

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directhex:

http://www.inno3d.com/products/graphic_card/i . . . _extreme.png

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Shadow__X:

4870?

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directhex:

that's the irony, it's a last-gen geforce

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

welcome back iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

Thanks-- glad to see that... erm... well, very little has changed in the last week ;)

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directhex:

sure it has

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directhex:

russia's started a war, and thailand banned grand theft auto

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iamlindoro_:

Only learned about the former last night, and the latter, well... maybe they should look into the whole child sex trade thing before they worry about video games

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Shadow__X:

but iamlindoro how else can they make money?

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Shadow__X:

dont forget we americans are the bad ones

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Shadow__X:

:D

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justinh:

hmm I hope I have ccache installed

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gbee:

mythcenter wastes a lot of space in mythmusic – list could hold 2 extra items, the down arrow could move down 10–15 pixels too

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gbee:

if the font was a couple of points smaller you'd get even more on screen

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justinh:

I still do plan to do some re-jiggling at some point

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justinh:

clear up all the duplication of fonts for one thing

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justinh:

and the font mixtures

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gbee:

yay

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justinh:

I started it but then decided to shed 2 stone

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justinh:

I think the big reason so many 3rd party themes are preferred by some people is that they achieve a better overall look, since nothing in them was bolted on by people who came along later

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gbee:

yeah

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justinh:

another thing is that ok people who submit code for new features admit their graphics skills aren't too hot but what starts life as a placeholder ends up being a permanent fixture

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justinh:

here's 150000 lines of code and a new icon I scribbled on the back of a cig packet :P

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justinh:

fair dues ;)

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** iamlindoro_ notes that the first version of the MythTube plugin had "MythNews" in the lower left corner ;) **

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iamlindoro_:

Could have been worse... he could have used Comic Sans for something

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justinh:

well, I have some spare time on my hands so I can afford to spend some effort polishing

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justinh:

oops. polishing sounds like 'making shiny'. going off shiny things at a rate of knots

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** justinh wonders if he ever finished redoing all the core theme graphics to make them uhh.. less wiggly **

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gbee:

I'm replacing a lot of core images, at least the ones relating directly to widgets

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gbee:

plus where the old graphics no longer fit the newer layout

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justinh:

rather than outline boxes what I did in glass-wide was just overlay translucent black rectangles. makes for less waste IMHO

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justinh:

rescaling is much kinder to them as well :D

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gbee:

I'm following a simple generic styling that I'll use for all default images, should be more consistent than the mess of different image colours and styles currently in use

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justinh:

oh yeah while I remember, the check/tick boxes are on my list too

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teprrr:

does that mythtube plugin work well?

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justinh:

I also think some of the guide icons need a rethink. red means bad things ;)

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teprrr:

and is it for 0.21-fixes or for trunk?

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justinh:

trunk

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justinh:

and it allegedly works quite well

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teprrr:

didn't compile for my trunk snapshot, or I missed something :P

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iamlindoro_:

It is trunk only, and yes, it works as advertised

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justinh:

maybe it's out of sync already

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teprrr:

ah, coolness, need to recheck after getting back to my place

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iamlindoro_:

No, it still compiles as of this AM

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justinh:

building for trunk is a moving target

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teprrr:

I tried it just some hours after it was added to the trac

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iamlindoro_:

did you apply the patches for configure and library.xml as well?

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teprrr:

hmm, nope..

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iamlindoro_:

Not gonna do much for you without that

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teprrr:

or hmm, is this mythtube something like that plugin from 2006?

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teprrr:

although I patched my configure script myself

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teprrr:

but didn't look for library.xml..

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iamlindoro_:

"that plugin from 2006" = insanely vague

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teprrr:

ah, indeed, the ticket contains now much more attachments..

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teprrr:

there's "MythTube" plugin marketed on -users list somewhere in 2006.. it consisted some php script and so.

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iamlindoro_:

This plugin more or less copies some code from MythNews and uses that, adds an interface, and works fairly well. It will now allow for other sites to be added via external perl scripts, but as of now only YouTube is implemented

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iamlindoro_:

It's simple, which I quite like, and doesn't add senseless options for no particular reason. Search, result, click to play.

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iamlindoro_:

Also downloads the High quality h.264 versions when available (my own little contribution ;) )

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teprrr:

yeah, I can see that now. looked the comments :p

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teprrr:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /155851.html here's the "plugin" from 2006

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iamlindoro_:

That's flash streaming *of* myth videos via mythweb (which is now included) rather than a frontend plugin for video not in your system

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mastodon:

what is mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

an excellent question for Google

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teprrr:

yes, I can see that ;)

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teprrr:

but I'm eagerly waiting to re-test that plugin

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andreax1:

Any other got a mail from Jeff Pulver? "Free World Dialup is implementing a $30 USD annual membership fee during the month of August after 12 years as a free service"... ?

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** mastodon we need to put back and use projectx to demux/edit h264 ts files!! stupid over 6mb GOP error grr.. **

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laga:

mastodon: projectx can do h264?

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mishehu:

andreax1: jeff pulver? is he still relevant in voip these days?

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mishehu:

but yah I got that e-mail too. I don't care.

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andreax1:

misehu: I thought, cause we use it as default entries in mythphine, it would be a problem?

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andreax1:

mythphine, lol – mythphone...

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kormoc:

mythyphone

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andreax1:

misehu: Am I right, the account fades away if we not subscribe for the monthly fee ?

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MilhousePunkRock:

hello everyone!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Since I upgraded to 0.21 yesterday, I see my LCD (or rather VFD) screen behaving differently. After a short period of idleness, it will not display the clock like it used to before, but just the LCDproc info that used to be there before Myhtwelcome/Mythfrontend were started

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mishehu:

andreax1: that's my current understanding, but I have not touched FWD in years.

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mishehu:

andreax1: and I have especially not done anything FWD related since we started the FreeSWITCH project.

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andreax1:

mishehu: Me too... I only used it or testing purpose... but I think mythphone will went obsolete sooner or later or am I wrong ?

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mishehu:

andreax1: I cannot vouch for that really. I've never actually used mythphone on my systems. I have polly coms here so no need for softphones relaly

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andreax1:

mishehu: I guess we've to wait and look... :)

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sdubois92:

does anyone know if i can use a VGA to Composite adapter with this card? http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonxpress200Intel/specs.html

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gbee:

sdubois92: no idea, but as it already supports composite out you probably only need a composite bracket for the tv-out header on the board

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sdubois92:

the board only has VGA out

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gbee:

you sure? A lot of the Radeon Xpress boards have a 6pin header for connecting an Svideo/composite lead or bracket

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gbee:

won't be at the back of the board, but somewhere on the board itself

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sdubois92:

ill have to open it up in a minute

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sdubois92:

it is an emachines t3508 computer

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justinh:

pc world's finest (cough)

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gbee:

can't say for certain without knowing what the board manufacturer/model is but see this photo of an MSI Radeon Xpress board – http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/large-18.png

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gbee:

the black 6 pin (5 wired) header between the PCI-E slot and the 4pin power

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gbee:

labelled JTV1 on this board

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justinh:

hrm getting unable to initialise plugins

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gbee:

accepts a bracket something like this – http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/img/data/artic . . . -bracket.jpg

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gbee:

but you can make your own easily and cheaply enough

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sdubois92:

gbee: my board defintely looks similar

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sdubois92:

but im having a hard time finding the 6pin connector

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sdubois92:

can you circle it

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iamlindoro_:

Look at the PCIe slot

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iamlindoro_:

move right to the little half red/white circle

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iamlindoro_:

look directly down from that

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iamlindoro_:

The little black six pin thing

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sdubois92:

the pcie is the tiny one. correct?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

yechnically the one to its left is PCIe too, but yes, the small one is x1

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sdubois92:

im still not seeing it

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Dagmar:

Well, if you can't find it on an actual board, call in someone with a clue about them.

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sdubois92:

can someone circle it in the picture?

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justinh:

oh FFS

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Dagmar:

Why does it matter that much?

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Dagmar:

Either you HAVE this board, in which case you can't miss a jumper header, or you *don't* in which case it doesn't much matter.

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justinh:

it's pretty much in the middle of the board, not far away from the connector block (audio, LAN etc) and to the left of the light coloured 4-pin power connector. sheesh

[18:23:30]

justinh:

all it is, is a 6-pin 0.1" DIL header. if you've ever seen a motherboard before it should be familiar to you

[18:23:54]

Dagmar:

If you can't find it with the motherboard in front of you, you should put the thing back into the box before you break it

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justinh:

either your board has one or it doesn't – and even if it does, there's no guarantee it's for the same thing

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/tv_header.png

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justinh:

best look in the manual for the motherboard

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justinh:

personally if I was having trouble identifying a pin header I don't think I'd bother chancing my luck

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Dagmar:

Hence the "put it back in the box"

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iamlindoro_:

and back slowly away?

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gbee:

like justinh says, if you have the motherboard manual look there, unless it's the same make as that board it will probably be somewhere else on the board even if it exists

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Shadow__X1:

can mythvideos and mythmusic only be acced through the combined fe/be

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GreyFoxx:

they are frontend "apps" if that's what you mean

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iamlindoro_:

no, you can use them anywhere, but they must be accessible, ie a network mount

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iamlindoro_:

and, more specifically, mounted in the same location everywhere

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iamlindoro_:

ie /media/MyFurryPorn

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justinh:

hrm not sure if I'm achieving the desired result here

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Shadow__X1:

ah alright

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justinh:

arghh FFS I CANNOT CONCENTRATE. Between wifey wibbling on about fuckall to the dog licking itself relentlessly.. argghhh

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Shadow__X1:

i have to make the same symlinks as well on each machine correct?

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justinh:

correct

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Shadow__X1:

how do i make the symlinks if not ever machine is running a backend

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Shadow__X1:

the mount is in the same place on both machine

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Shadow__X1:

same name

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iamlindoro_:

What do symlinks have to do with the backend?

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justinh:

what most sane people do is export the dirs over NFS, then mount them at the same path on each frontend

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** iamlindoro_ is sane people **

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Shadow__X1:

hmm

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Shadow__X1:

how many people are you iamlindoro _

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justinh:

e.g. /myth/kiddieporn on the backend, then mount that share to /myth/kiddieporn on each frontend

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Shadow__X1:

no kiddie porn here

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justinh:

s/backend/wherever the files actually live

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justinh:

you should get the jist

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Shadow__X1:

yeah

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justinh:

right. no work going on here tonight. I need to concentrate

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Shadow__X1:

hmm mythtv didnt create a dir under var lib

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justinh:

it wouldn't

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justinh:

it doesn't

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Shadow__X1:

on my frontend it did

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justinh:

no it didn't

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Shadow__X1:

so howd it get there

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justinh:

it would've been there already

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justinh:

the pixies made it

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justinh:

fucking hell

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iamlindoro_:

Magic mythbuntu pixies

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Shadow__X1:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

s/mythbuntu/$AnyOtherEasyDistro/

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Shadow__X1:

so then should i mount it the same way or

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Shadow__X1:

no

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iamlindoro_:

Only if you want it to work

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Shadow__X1:

hmm i have to think about it

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Shadow__X1:

not sure

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iamlindoro_:

As everyone is saying (often repeatedly), you neeeeeeeeeed to mount it in the same location on all frontends

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Shadow__X1:

gotcha

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iamlindoro_:

this may involve some use of the mkdir command

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iamlindoro_:

don't be afraid

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Shadow__X1:

oh hush

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justinh:

no. be afraid. you might get a clue

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Shadow__X1:

i know what i am doing

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justinh:

could've fooled me

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Shadow__X1:

i was just confused thats all

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Shadow__X1:

aparently your perfect huh

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iamlindoro_:

s/your/you're/

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Shadow__X1:

i dont be needens to spells rights

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iamlindoro_:

need, capable of, let's not split hairs

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Shadow__X1:

i am perfectly capable

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justinh:

and if anybody says anything about my recent anger, GTA4 made me do it

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Shadow__X1:

justinh, then you need to be put to torture

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Shadow__X1:

due to TRUE igorance

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Shadow__X1:

ignorance*

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directhex:

justinh, that's the guaranteed get-out-of-jail-free card these days

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Shadow__X1:

society lets that happen

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directhex:

justinh, e.g. blaming GTA3 for teaching you how to make molotov cocktails

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Shadow__X1:

choke the kid and the parents

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Shadow__X1:

problemed solved

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Shadow__X1:

problem*

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Shadow__X1:

damn keyboard

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Shadow__X1:

hmm

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gbee:

my neighbour opposite has got himself a small satellite dish setup on a chair outside his front door, guess he wants to watch the Olympics in HD

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gbee:

either that or he's an unlikely MythTV user testing his new DVB-S card

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gbee:

wonder if he needs to borrow a sat finder

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andreax1:

hehehe, you may ask him? :)

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** justinh sometimes wonders if one of his neighbours would like to borrow a cup of arsenic **

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laga:

ask for beer in return

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laga:

lol justinh

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andreax1:

rofl...

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andreax1:

Seems to be my home.. :)

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justinh:

or just some basic manners like parking considerately.. yada yada

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justinh:

little things that make me yell "I don't belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve it"

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andreax1:

here it's the same, I sometimes wonder, why they won't park their car ONTO mine.. :)

[19:16:25]

andreax1:

I think that are true missions to drive you crazy...

[19:18:22]

andreax1:

Leaving the door open to tha basement is something that kills me one day... Yes, leave it open, that they can steal my bike (again and again)...

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justinh:

maybe they want to borrow some petrol. you can just put it through the letterbox. saves waking them up at 3am when you deliver it

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andreax1:

hrhrhr....

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Shadow__X1:

if someone is blocking you in borrow a truck and drag them into the middle of the streen

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Shadow__X1:

street*

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andreax1:

That give an idyllic street as sideeffect...

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Shadow__X1:

a busy intersection?

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Shadow__X1:

better

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Shadow__X1:

?

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gbee:

heh, Via is out of the chipset business

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jarle_:

Is it possible to change the default settings for mythweb, so I don't have to re-configure each time I connect from a new host?

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justinh:

interesting

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directhex:

gbee, and out of relevancy. nobody cares about their cpus

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justinh:

gbee: hopefully out of the cpu business too

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gbee:

just need to quit the CPU biz and a lot of people will be saved hours of frustration

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directhex:

justinh, that's all they're doing now

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justinh:

whose chipsets will mirror the lameness of their CPUs then? SiS ?

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directhex:

it's gotta be, since ALi were bought by nvidia

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gbee:

justinh: their given reason for jumping ship was the increasing use of Intel or AMD only boards

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directhex:

though iirc nvidia are planning on dumping their chipset biz, due to their failed attempt to get a license to make next-gen intel boards

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justinh:

I can buy that

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gbee:

it's rumoured that Nvidia are quitting too, pretty much leaving just Intel/Amd to provide the chipsets for their respective CPUs

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laga:

i think they declined that rumour

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justinh:

common sense prevailing?

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justinh:

despite their reputation I don't think I've ever experienced a real problem with my Via chipset laden motherboards

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gbee:

they did, but it's all the more likely now that AMD/ATi have merged and Via is out of the running

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sid3windr:

lol@ sis & ali

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Dagmar:

I have

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Dagmar:

VIA used to be completely unable to handle DMA transfers worth a damn

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** sid3windr had no problems with his via powered boards either **

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directhex:

justinh, i only had problems with the first chips, with the dodgy ide controller

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justinh:

ah but who will make the new rock bottom of the barrel? here's somebody's chance to step into the moonlight

[19:41:20]

directhex:

justinh, my k8t880 board was fine tho

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directhex:

justinh, sis.

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justinh:

kt333 & kt666 are fine IME – but likely depends on the boards

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Dagmar:

So like, if you had an SBLive card and some game kicked in EAX (which uses DMA for echo loops in the filters) you'd get to hear this godawful screetching static sound.

[19:42:13]

sid3windr:

except I had an sb live card on a via board and didn't have any problems :/

[19:42:20]

sid3windr:

I did read about them though

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sid3windr:

ah wait

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sid3windr:

I had a kt266 and the problem was on kt400 or so

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sid3windr:

later on I had a kt600 with sb live and again no problem :)

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laga:

my SiS board was fine :) ECS k7s5a

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justinh:

never buy a cheap-ass board if you can avoid it :)

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directhex:

the k7s5a was an abomination unto the lord

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justinh:

wth are DOS format files doing in here?!

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xris:

jarle_: in case you didn't get an answer.. turn on authentication. it then stores the settings with your userid

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: I had a SB Live on a windows box years ago, and mp3s sounded like they were playing underwater... even high-bitrate ones... must have been a chipset issue, other sond boards they played fine... [and I'm a SB fan...]

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sid3windr:

eww

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sid3windr:

I had a few ecs boards and just about broke them in parts the minute I booted them up :/

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gbee:

to be fair, I've never had a problem with a board except for an Abit which was affected by the bad cap issue, that includes a couple of PC Chips (yes, yes I know – but they were cheap)

[19:44:57]

justinh:

SB are a waste of money for linux anyway IMHO. all that DSP you cannae use

[19:45:44]

gbee:

these days I'd agree, SB haven't been relevant for the last ten years

[19:46:32]

gbee:

well maybe five, just feels like ten ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Well, I had used a SFF (Small FormFactor) PC with built-in audio as an MP3 player in my car years ago, and the volume output was horrible. I dropped in a SB16, and it was an order of magnitude louder... Huge difference!

[19:46:40]

jarle_:

xris: so, great to always get a response from each time I enter the "mythweb" word :) Thanx!

[19:47:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jarle_: What are you referring to — using a WAP device [such as a phone], then going back to a pc?

[19:47:27]

xris:

I don't check as often as I used to (work is really busy), but sometimes you can get lucky. :)

[19:47:32]

laga:

never going to buy creative – not after that recent driver disaster

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directhex:

justinh, you get HW mixing though, you don't get that with other cards

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xris:

you can also always edit the defaults in the code. they're all stored in one file (kormoc renamed it, so I don't remember what it's called).. something like config.php

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justinh:

directhex: you also get messy samplerate conversion

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directhex:

justinh, HW mixing is handy though

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justinh:

not if only one app is running, mythfrontend :)

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jarle_:

J-e-f-f-A: accessing mytwheb from my desktop machine, and the accessing from my laptop, and then from an internet cafe etc...

[19:49:42]

directhex:

well, yes

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directhex:

with only mythfrontend, then fine

[19:50:22]

** sid3windr just recovered his sb pro 2 from an old machine **

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sid3windr:

museum stuff!

[19:50:53]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jarle_: Ok, I though perhaps you had accessed mythweb from your phone's WAP browser, and now were stuck in WAP mode. ;-)

[19:51:35]

** J-e-f-f-A|work has lots of 'museum stuff'... ;-) He has to learn how to throw things out and/or donate them to science... ;-) **

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sid3windr:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, same :)

[19:51:59]

sid3windr:

I actually threw out 2/3 of the old stuff

[19:52:09]

sid3windr:

was all still at my parents' attic

[19:52:16]

sid3windr:

but I recovered some stuff from it first

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gbee:

after years of hoarding I finally let go at the start of the year, freed up a lot of space ditching all that old crap

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sid3windr:

hehe yes :)

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sid3windr:

but I wanted my sb pro back

[19:52:39]

sid3windr:

and took off a bunch of jumpers for future use

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andreax1:

My bros refuses to get any old stuff from me anymore... :)

[19:52:45]

sid3windr:

even a 40x cd-rom drive somewhere

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sid3windr:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Easy/painless way: Post to Craiglist in the arts+crafts section saying you've got a lot of very interesting looking but not-worth-putting-electricity-through computer boards for someone if they want to use them for a construction project.

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** J-e-f-f-A|work once made a wall clock out of an old modem board. It's quite a conversation piece... I might start making them and selling them on fleabay... ;-) **

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justinh:

cheap taiwanese digital clock module, araldite, scrap PCBs.. job done

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dustybin:

is there a way to disable the frontend from quitting from the menu

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directhex:

in theory

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sid3windr:

I have 40x 4MB DIMM which are great keychains! only $50 !

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dustybin:

when i build my sister a frontend box, i dont want her to be able to quit the frontend from the menu

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sid3windr:

(a piece)

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directhex:

i wrote a patch to do it, some oddball patch was adopted instead

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sid3windr:

(or actually, if you take them all for $50, fine too :D)

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laga:

dustybin: yes

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dustybin:

laga: does it invole hacking the code?

[20:17:01]

laga:

no

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laga:

it's a simple setting AFAIK

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dustybin:

wow

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dustybin:

laga: is this the correct way

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dustybin:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5203168

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directhex:

EH?

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directhex:

fuck no

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iamlindoro_:

holy jesus

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iamlindoro_:

ew

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dustybin:

"n the settings you can change the exit key to ctrl-escape. If you've only

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dustybin:

got a remote that'll do the same thing as you want.

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directhex:

fuck no

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directhex:

setting/general/general

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dustybin:

jeeze

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directhex:

or somesuch

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directhex:

"customise exit menu options"

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dustybin:

aye thanks

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dustybin:

im just worried incase my sister quits it by accident

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directhex:

so change that setting

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dustybin:

aye indeed thanks

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dustybin:

directhex: a friend in need, is a friend indeed :P

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iamlindoro_:

Or, as we say it in the States, "Fuck 'em."

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dustybin:

:o

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PatrickDK:

or you could just ship her over here :)

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** iamlindoro_ looks forward to boxing this PM **

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laga:

wtf

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sid3windr:

you're going to put a project manager in a box?

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sid3windr:

or are you going to box, in the afternoon

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sid3windr:

:>

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** iamlindoro_ points at the Olympics **

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sid3windr:

oh, that ;)

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sid3windr:

but it's evening ;/

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dustybin:

i have a PIII 733 box sitting here and i dont know what to do with it, my choices are 1) turn it into a pfsense firewall, 2) turn it into a public server box, 3) replace it with my sisters XP2400 desktop, and use that desktop parts for a frontend in the living room

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iamlindoro_:

4) Donate to the needy and thus reduce the clutter in your house

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sid3windr:

4) put it on ebay

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sid3windr:

heheh

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gbee:

don't waste good electricity turning it into a firewall

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dustybin:

gbee: thats what im thinking

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dustybin:

gbee: could the same be said if i turned it into a public server box?

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sid3windr:

what's a public server box?

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gbee:

well, do you need a server? ;)

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gbee:

or would you just be creating it for the sake of using the machine?

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iamlindoro_:

And couldn't said services be run in a miniscule fraction of an existing box?

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PatrickDK:

hell, and to think I am getting ready to sped $500 on two new 200mhz computers

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dustybin:

gbee: i like the idea of splitting up my network into private and public, private will run stuff like mythtv, zoneminder, voip, x10 automation ,etc and the public box will run a web server, mail server, rtorrent, irssi etc

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gbee:

I'm guessing that for the amount of use it would actually get then no, it's not worth it, as iamlindoro_ says use an existing machine and NAT

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dustybin:

bloody heck, i just checked the PSU on this PIII box, it says 'shall not exceed 65W' WTF

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dustybin:

gbee: do you think its safe to run a world accessable website on the same box what runs my X10 automation and VOIP o_0

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dustybin:

and zoneminder

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** dustybin thinks not **

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Shadow__X:

yes with sep nics and a firewall with permissions

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Shadow__X:

if there is a will theres a way

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iamlindoro_:

If you are THAT worried about it, you could virtualize the public facing stuff

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: that involves installing a xen kernel etc, could get messy with all this shit already installed?

[20:33:58]

iamlindoro_:

Just run free VMWare

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dustybin:

yuk

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dustybin:

xen if i did

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iamlindoro_:

then *you* are making it more complicated than it needs to be

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sid3windr:

vmware? :|

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kormoc:

jarle_, includes/config.php to be specific

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laga:

xen? yuck

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sid3windr:

xen isn't more complicated than vmware anyway

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gbee:

plus I'd lock it down, something equivalent to Mandriva's msec would do nicely – so long as you configure it carefully you won't have any problems

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laga:

yeah, but xen doesn't really have up to date kernels

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sid3windr:

as if vmware server works without any to any patch ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Sure it does

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iamlindoro_:

by which I mean VMWare working

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iamlindoro_:

works fine out of the box in every distro I run

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sid3windr:

never had a box where it worked without patching

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dustybin:

bloody heck, this PIII box has a 'Hipro 65W Power Supply HP-F1106F3S'

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dustybin:

thats the same as running a light bulb

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, all talk of VMs aside, it's still a dumb idea to have boxes for every little purpose in this day and age

[20:37:09]

iamlindoro_:

You can a) learn proper security, b) Use VMs, or c) continue to be dumb

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sid3windr:

:-(

[20:37:29]

sid3windr:

I have a router, a fileserver and a mythbackend box

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dustybin:

another thing, you cannot DMZ a VM, to be properly secure, i will use another NIC and put my public box in a DMZ

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sid3windr:

wrong wrong :)

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dustybin:

to hell with it 65watts of power if nothing

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iamlindoro_:

sooooo very wrong

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dustybin:

heh ok

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sid3windr:

vmnet1 is a dmz in itself if you put some iptables in place even ;>

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iamlindoro_:

Lord, did you go to the Linksys school of security?

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dustybin:

:P

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sid3windr:

rofl

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sid3windr:

that actually sounds like it exists. does it?

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dustybin:

i went to berkley uni in calafornia

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iamlindoro_:

Sure you did

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dustybin:

:P

[20:39:15]

iamlindoro_:

Must not have spent enough time here to actually call it what we do

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iamlindoro_:

or spell it right

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sid3windr:

:D

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iamlindoro_:

you fucking liar

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sid3windr:

better use the Software Distribution then too!

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iamlindoro_:

anyway

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dustybin:

even a embedded dedicated firewall box would use about 20+watts

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** dustybin pats machine **

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Dibblah:

dustybin: Err.,.. What?

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dustybin:

?

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Dibblah:

My "dedicated firewall box" costs 5w.

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dustybin:

hm ok

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Dibblah:

It's a wgt634u with openwrt, of course.

[20:45:20]

Dibblah:

My day-to-day desktop machine costs 23w.

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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Dibblah:

?

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dustybin:

Dibblah: how much does your backend cost?

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dustybin:

o_0

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Dibblah:

That's a small problem. 8 disks aren't cheap :(

[20:46:08]

Dibblah:

~120w.

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iamlindoro_:

This is clearly a case of "I want to do something with a box to prove how l33t I am, because I don't care that everyone's children will live in a parched sun-scorched wasteland."

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dustybin:

LOL

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laga:

Dibblah: what spec is that desktop box?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: your slowly turning into a justinh

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laga:

yes

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laga:

i love this channel

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Who said I was doing it slowly?

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dustybin:

:-o

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Dibblah:

i945gmm-hl motherboard, core2mobile T5500.

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Dibblah:

Laptop drive.

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laga:

ah, nice

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Dibblah:

PicoPSU + fairly efficient 12v supply.

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: It makes it no less silly to have 5 PCs around when the whole world is about to go into global energy crisis (if we're not already there)

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dustybin:

i do believe in saving power

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iamlindoro_:

Then be clever, expand your skill set, and challenge yourself to consolidate

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dustybin:

ok

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Dibblah:

So do I. http://pendor.org/power/1year_power.png

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Dibblah:

It's working slowly :(

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sid3windr:

I also believe in saving power, so I replaced my dual xeon with a core 2 duo ;)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: im sure you could run a frontend on a 65watt PSU?

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sid3windr:

my new workstation also uses 25 watts less than the previous one

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Dibblah:

Xeons are hot and hungry.

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sid3windr:

and it's like 5x as fast

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sid3windr:

hehe

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laga:

sid3windr: i wonder how much it cost to produce that c2d. compared to the energy you're going to save

[20:49:38]

sid3windr:

the c2d was already produced anyway

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sid3windr:

otherwise it'd just end up on ebay for 2 years :p

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Dibblah:

laga: In the UK, current energy prices (which are about to go up) are £1 / watt year.

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Dibblah:

So save 1 watt, you save one pound per year.

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laga:

yeah, but how much energy does it cost to produce that CPU?

[20:50:19]

laga:

sorry, i didn't make that clear

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Dibblah:

Who cares about embedded energy?

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sid3windr:

I hope less than the price I paid for it

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sid3windr:

or intel will have some trouble soon

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sid3windr:

;)

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Dibblah:

It's a null concept when it's a second hand item.

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iamlindoro_:

That's like suggesting we all use incandescent bulbs since all the lamps are already out there

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laga:

it's somehwat naive to believe that intel hadn't produced that CPU if he hadn't bought it. but it works if more people do it :)

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Dibblah:

Realistically, I don't care about the embedded energy. It's reflected (indirectly and scaled) in the purchase price.

[20:53:34]

Dibblah:

embodied. Doh.

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sid3windr:

of course I will be selling the xeons and someone else will power them up

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sid3windr:

so it's not really helping

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Dibblah:

Shoulda sold earlier. Xeons plummetted in price a year or so ago.

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Dibblah:

Second hand.

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laga:

Dibblah: i'm not talking about money, i'm talking about co2 and the whole ecology thing

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Dibblah:

CO2 generally means something was burnt or consumed.

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Dibblah:

Which is included in the price I pay.

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gbee:

if only was as simple as productsrequiring more energy to produce costing more, frequently the opposite is true, at least where that energy in consumed in the form of transportation from an economy were wages are lower etc

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gbee:

but lets be realistic, I'm not going to pay more for an inferior product made locally because it has a lower 'carbon footprint' than a better, cheaper product made in the far east

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Dagmar:

Give it time

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Dagmar:

The cheaper product from the far east tends to be made with things that leak cancer-causing gases and are painted with mainly powdered lead.

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gbee:

I see your point, it will kill all the customers in the west helping to reduce their impact on the environment

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justinh:

anyway, I'm a product of the communitae. or maybe it's all the fault of the guy who introduced me to linux.. or maybe it's the fault of the first person who replied to my first thread on a forum.. :P

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sid3windr:

yeah should have sold sooner

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sid3windr:

except I didn't have the new hw then ;)

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imat007:

I am running Ubuntu 8.04 and I compiled mythtv v21 from source, it works except, I have to manually start backend. I have 2 users, mythtv and my main login. I am unable to log in to mysql when I use mythtv user, but if I switch to my main login I can do so. Does any one know if I might have missed some permission to grant to user mythtv?

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imat007:

mythbackend is unable to login to the mythtv database unless I am logged in as the main user. If I login as mythtv it fails.

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sphery:

imat007: you have different DB config info in ~/.mythtv

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sphery:

specifically, config.xml should be in both users ~/.mythtv

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sphery:

however, you may also have some mysql.txt files scattered around the system by your distro or whatever that are breaking things, too

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imat007:

what about permissions for mythtv as in does it need to belong to a certain group etc ..

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imat007:

should config.xml and mysql.txt files (once I find them) need to be exactly the same?

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gregL:

imat007: take a look at this site..it may help you::: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . a68b6a8b4162

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imat007:

thanks

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gregL:

np

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Ace2016_-:

anyone know where real audiophiles hang out? i want advice

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t0ny-p40:

With my analog card I'm getting really bad sound. It sounds compressed and high pitch. Any ideas?

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directhex:

screwed sample rate?

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t0ny-p40:

3200

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t0ny-p40:

I've tried 441000 and 48000

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t0ny-p40:

Its using my sound card.

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t0ny-p40:

any one have any ideas?

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directhex:

you've been given your answer. you haven't neccessarily un-screwed it properly

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directhex:

the core problem being use of a garbage tv card, where this is a problem, or course

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