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Sunday, August 10th, 2008, 00:09 UTC

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waxhead_:

hey everyone...

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my2keh:

yo

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my2keh:

anyone know how to edit a theme?

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cesman:

vi /path/to/theme/blah.xml ;)

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my2keh:

HA

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my2keh:

funny man

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directhex:

sadly he tells the truth

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cesman:

I try

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my2keh:

I ask the wrong question

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my2keh:

What I meant was...

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my2keh:

In what file (ui.xml I think) and where would I go to delete columns in the "Watch Recordings" Screen

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my2keh:

i think the container=selector

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my2keh:

listarea = showing

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my2keh:

that's the one

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Dagmar:

]Delete one and see what it looks like

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my2keh:

yeah...it's the one

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my2keh:

it's got this in it

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my2keh:

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my2keh:

expect I don't see where they define what this column is

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my2keh:

like I can see it's the size column

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my2keh:

which I don't really need

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my2keh:

woohoo

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my2keh:

that looks good

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my2keh:

on the Upcoming recordings screen, is there a way to only show upcoming recordings

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my2keh:

ie not conflicts etc

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fuxxy:

Is there a relatively easy way to transfer saved programs from the mythbox to my fileserver?

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fuxxy:

Something the wife can possibly use?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

maybe if you run mythrename.pl --link $somedir & share $somedir – then it's just a simple case of drag & drop

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fuxxy:

If I set up samba with the recordings directory shared, are the filenames, etc intuitive enough to simply browse through?

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justinh:

but that won't move the original recordings

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fuxxy:

They dont nessarily need to be moved, copied is fine

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justinh:

and you wouldn't want to move the original files yourself anyway since that'll leave orphaned database entries

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justinh:

or you could set up a user job to copy a recorded file. you can invoke that from the menus in mythfrontend

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justinh:

see the wiki about user jobs

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fuxxy:

the mythrename.pl will intuitively rename ALL recordings in the db?

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justinh:

I wouldn't advise anyone to run it without the --link option

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justinh:

my2keh: 1 & 2 keys let you see ALL or IMPORTANT

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justinh:

but conflicts — being important will always be shown

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elg:

my myth mysteriously has lost all upcoming recordings (mythweb). mythfilldatabase runs fine. listings are fine. it all seems to be in the db but the scheduler just fails to schedule

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elg:

it's done it in the past and the problem has just gone away inexplicably

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elg:

what might be happening?

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xris:

elg: reboot? wait longer?

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elg:

did reboot

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elg:

"wait" doesn't seem ideal. there are things that should be recording that aren't being

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xris:

depending on how complex your schedules/lineups are, that schedule query can take quite awhile to run.

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xris:

if you have a slow machine and complex rules, it could be 5–15 minutes to start up

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cesman:

first thing I'd do is check the db for errors

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xris:

that, too

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xris:

or the mythtv log

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xris:

though "reboot" is my first reaction. :)

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cesman:

hi xris, how are you?

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xris:

then agin, my mythbox is randomly rebooting every 60 minutes now, so I need it *not* to reboot.

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cesman:

xris: rebooting is for adding new hardware ;)

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xris:

not bad. off to go play with memtest.

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cesman:

enjoy!

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xris:

cesman: only for the crazy masochistic types who like to spend hours trying to solve a problem only to realize that a reboot would fix it. :)

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xris:

hmm, memtest doesn't boot. yay

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xris:

other than that, just working on a kitchen remodel

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justinh:

elg: mythbackend --reschedule

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justinh:

I had inexplicable problems with the upcoming recordings list on 0.20 – that --resched option always cleared it up

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elg:

justinh: many thanks

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justinh:

I'd only run it after checking the database was in good shape though. that should always be your first port of call ;)

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cesman:

:)

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wagnerrp:

so apparently, along with case badges, shrinky dinks make good keys

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thedarkon:

hello

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thedarkon:

i have a question

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thedarkon:

i get this error

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thedarkon:

DVBChan(0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

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thedarkon:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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thedarkon:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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thedarkon:

Perhaps you should read the installation instructions?

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thedarkon:

any ideas, coz I'm completely stumped!!!

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wagnerrp:

well, permission denied typically means you dont have permission

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the user running the backend does not have file permission for the dvb card's dev nodes

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thedarkon:

how can i fix it

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thedarkon:

chown 777?

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wagnerrp:

usually not a wise action

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thedarkon:

oh

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cesman:

what tuner card do you have?

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wagnerrp:

most distros give write access to the video group

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thedarkon:

twinhan

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wagnerrp:

do, 'ls -l /dev/dvb/adaptor0'

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wagnerrp:

err... adapter0

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thedarkon:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 4 2008-08–10 00:25 demux0

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thedarkon:

and so on

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wagnerrp:

what user are you running the backend as?

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thedarkon:

htpc

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wagnerrp:

so add the user 'htpc' to the group 'video'

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thedarkon:

how

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thedarkon:

i am new to linux

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wagnerrp:

use gpasswd

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wagnerrp:

or, use the controls in your GUI

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wagnerrp:

i dont know the syntax off hand

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wagnerrp:

'man gpasswd'

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thedarkon:

damn can't figure this out

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wagnerrp:

well be warned, linux is full of you having to figure out things for yourself

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wagnerrp:

to add a user to a group, its 'gpasswd -a <user> <group>'

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wagnerrp:

so 'gpasswd -a htpc video'

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thedarkon:

i did that still same thing

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styelz:

you need to logout and back in again for group perms to take effect

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wagnerrp:

styelz: i would think you just need to restart the particular program

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styelz:

depends what you are doing

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thedarkon:

well i rebooted pc

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styelz:

if you are logged into X with a user, you will need to restart X

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wagnerrp:

you hardly ever have to reboot linux to fix something

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styelz:

if you add a group

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clever:

styelz: i can fix the perms in a single xterm using sudo

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thedarkon:

oh

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wagnerrp:

usually, its only needed for a kernel update

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clever:

styelz: 'exec sudo -u clever -i'

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clever:

that will restore all CURRENT perms for clever to the current shell

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styelz:

thats great

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styelz:

thats just relogging in

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styelz:

anyway

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clever:

yep, but simpler then reloading all of X

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styelz:

heh

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styelz:

ok

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clever:

i mainly run mythtv in a 'sudo -u mythtv -i'

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clever:

so i just exit and rerun that sudo

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styelz:

cool

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wagnerrp:

i run mythtv off the init scripts, much simplier that way

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wagnerrp:

well, the backend anyway

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah with that method its probly a sudo -u mythtv -H mythbackend & based line

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clever:

which would fix the perms on restart

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wagnerrp:

the frontend doesnt matter since it has no real hardware access

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wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with sudo, its an init script

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clever:

my frontend needs to be in the audio and video group, for alsa and xv

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thedarkon:

it now says i not part of mythtv group

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clever:

wagnerrp: yes but the init script needs to drop its root perms

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wagnerrp:

usually you would just use 'su'

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clever:

sudo or su would do so

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to complicate things with sudo

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clever:

i dont know su by memory

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thedarkon:

You must be a member of the "mythtv" group before starting any mythtv applications.

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thedarkon:

Would you like to automatically be added to the group?

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thedarkon:

(Note: sudo access required)

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wagnerrp:

su is just sudo, with out any configuration necessary

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clever:

wagnerrp: su wants the pw of who your changing to

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styelz:

beep

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clever:

sudo wants your own pw

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wagnerrp:

correct, unless youre root, in which case there is no password needed

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep, which is why it works in init scripts

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clever:

su is similar to ssh localhost, it just asks for whatever name/pw you want

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wagnerrp:

right, much simpler, no overly complex configuration

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clever:

but it means having an actual root password if you wanted to su to root

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thedarkon:

well i think my box is screwed

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clever:

but it cant hurt to use su over sudo in init scripts for people who dont have sudo

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wagnerrp:

thedarkon: quite possible, your first attempt at a POSIX system

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clever:

bbl, sleep

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thedarkon:

well it is 50 time reloading it

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wagnerrp:

50 time?

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thedarkon:

yes

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wagnerrp:

never heard that phrase

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thedarkon:

lol

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thedarkon:

i reloaded linux and mythtv 50 times

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thedarkon:

can not figure out why i get the one error

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sutula:

Isn't there something about the definition of insanity...doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results :)

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thedarkon:

this is first time i got that error

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wagnerrp:

well blame murphy for that one

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thedarkon:

well it was working fine till power went out

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Dagmar:

clever: sudo is not for use in init scripts, so it wouldn't just "cant hurt". It would be dumb as hell to even try using sudo for that.

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Dagmar:

thedarkon: So, here's a thought... If you'd like to avoid this in the future, spend the $35 on a cheap-ass UPS with a USB interface.

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Dagmar:

APC ES350. Cheap, common, has a USB interface, works fine with Linux, perfect for issuing a _controlled_ shutdown in the event of a power failure.

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styelz:

thedarkon: sounds like your mysql mythconverg may be corrupt.. try run a mysqlcheck and fix the DB and restart the backend

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styelz:

maybe try.. /mythtv-extra/optimize_mythdb.pl

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styelz:

not that path though

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styelz:

wouldn't hurt to try anyway.

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chronographer:

hi all. I want to get my remote control working properly, it is a hauppuage nova-t, but seems slightly different than most examples... Anyway it works to some extent, just in other ways doesn't work perfectly.

[10:15:09]

chronographer:

I would like to map the buttons to certain actions in mythtv, at the moment OK works fine but up down left and right down work properly...

[10:15:15]

chronographer:

i.e. they don't do anything...

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chronographer:

anyone here help me with LIRC please?

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styelz:

chronographer: install mythcontrols. it allows you to map keys to actions

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styelz:

it gives me an extra option under setup called "Keys"

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styelz:

on ubuntu anyway

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laga:

not sure if that's the right solution, it's likely that his remote isn't set up properly

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chronographer:

hi great... ok I will try it

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styelz:

on my remote, when i press up/down the lirc is mapped to keys that myth doesnt use by default, so i had to edit them using the mythcontrols

[11:24:22]

chronographer:

laga: OK works fine

[11:25:26]

chronographer:

but channel up, doen, and volume up and down dont... I have edited .lircrc, ~/.lirc/mythtv and ~/.mythtv/lircrc and none seem to change things...

[11:25:26]

styelz:

you can assign upto 4 different keys to 1 action

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chronographer:

I will try mythcontrols.

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styelz:

hmm

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chronographer:

is it installed in mythbuntu?

[11:27:12]

chronographer:

grogan

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chronographer:

oops

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styelz:

chronographer: did you run irrecord to setup your remote, or use a prebuild config for your remote

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chronographer:

in "Keys" it says a lot of " pressed key not recognised"

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chronographer:

I used a prebuild config

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styelz:

ok

[11:32:14]

styelz:

you can make your own

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chronographer:

ok, will it over write the old one ? (thats kinda what I want!)

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styelz:

chronographer: run "irw" from console then press the buttons on your remote

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styelz:

it should show you what they are assigned as

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chronographer:

it seems, most keys are not mapped properly. irw shows them with the right commands

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styelz:

ok

[11:34:09]

chronographer:

only "full" is not recognised , no big deal.

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styelz:

cool

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styelz:

you would use it like... irrecord -d /dev/input/by-path/whatever-remote -H dev/input output.conf

[11:36:18]

styelz:

you need to stop lircd first

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chronographer:

right, what conf does it write ?

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styelz:

whatever you specify as the file name

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chronographer:

I have a nice lircd.conf

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styelz:

it creates the lircd.conf file formate

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styelz:

ok

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chronographer:

and the hardware.conf seems fine

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chronographer:

it must be lircrd etc... which are playing up...

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styelz:

mm

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chronographer:

do you know which file lirc reads to target the buttons, so which lircrc file it looks at first?

[11:39:06]

styelz:

i think ~/mythtv/mythtv.lircrc overrides ~/lircrc if it exists

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styelz:

er .mythtv

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chronographer:

its annoying, OK works fine, just no other key works... POWER does bring up the shutdown menu though... wonder if that helps

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styelz:

sounds like its not working through lircd

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chronographer:

ok.

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chronographer:

but irw shows them all?

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styelz:

if you open terminal, and press the 1 button, do you see a 1 appear ?

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styelz:

i mean on the remote

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chronographer:

nope

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styelz:

k

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chronographer:

should I ?

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styelz:

i do if i stop lircd

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styelz:

paste your lircd.conf and mythtv lirc files to pastebin

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chronographer:

I still don't

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styelz:

and your hardware.conf file

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chronographer:

ok

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chronographer:

http://pastebin.com/m7904d095

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styelz:

does /etc/lircd/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500 exist ?

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styelz:

or is it elsewhere

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chronographer:

i pasted it in below... it exists!

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styelz:

i mean /etc/lirc/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500

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styelz:

ok

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chronographer:

under "this is the include:"

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styelz:

i see

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styelz:

i see it in the include, but does it exist /etc/lirc/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500

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styelz:

as from this line

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styelz:

#

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styelz:

REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500"

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styelz:

maybe change it to REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="lircd.conf"

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styelz:

if you are using the include

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styelz:

in that

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chronographer:

yepoooh i see...

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chronographer:

or REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="/etc/lirc/lircd.conf" ??

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styelz:

sure why not

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styelz:

relative seems to work for me

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styelz:

REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="my-remote-avermedia.conf"

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styelz:

thats mine

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styelz:

and i have /etc/lirc/my-remote-avermedia.conf

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chronographer:

"lircd.conf" ok I'll leave it at this

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styelz:

but i also have lircd.conf symlinked to it..

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styelz:

i think the default is /etc/lircd.conf

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styelz:

i have that symlinked to it also

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chronographer:

hmm... even if I delete ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc I get the same results... OK works, other buttons don't

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laga:

because it's likely handled by X and not by lirc

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chronographer:

where is the config file for that then?

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styelz:

chronographer: so when you run irw, you only see the OK button work?

[12:06:01]

chronographer:

I see all buttons work

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chronographer:

in mythtv only OK works

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styelz:

so you see something like 000000123 00 Up NOVA-T500 .. when you press up ?

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chronographer:

0000000080010192 00 ChannelUp NOVA-T500

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styelz:

can i see yout mythtv.lirc file

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chronographer:

i don't have one

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chronographer:

i have a ~/.lirc/mythtv

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styelz:

ok, so no .mythtv/mythtv.lircrc

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chronographer:

I did have a .mythtv/lircrc

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styelz:

whats in your ~/.lircrc file ?

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styelz:

include ~/.lirc/mythtv ?

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chronographer:

yeah.

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styelz:

ok

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styelz:

pastebin the ~/.lirc/mythtv

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chronographer:

http://pastebin.com/m316a1439

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chronographer:

down the bottom!

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styelz:

hmmm

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styelz:

looks a bit iffy

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chronographer:

i made a few changes in there

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styelz:

2 x ChannelDown

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styelz:

etc

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styelz:

looking

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chronographer:

I have a direction pad, with colume on left right, channel on up down

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chronographer:

*vollume

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styelz:

you are restarting mythfrontend after your restart lircd service right ?

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styelz:

during testing

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chronographer:

nope

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styelz:

doh

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chronographer:

I can try that!

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chronographer:

oops

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chronographer:

hey wow no shit thats all it was! you are the best! Thanks for all your help!

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styelz:

heh

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styelz:

cool

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styelz:

btw, i had issues using the /dev/input/event# devices, id adive you to use the /dev/input/by-path as they dont change

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chronographer:

yeah, it looks a little tricky, I will get there if it does change, thanks for the advice though.

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styelz:

like in hardware.conf mine is

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styelz:

REMOTE_DEVICE="/dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:0d.0--event-ir"

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chronographer:

gee, where do you get that from?

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styelz:

ls /dev/input/by-path you will see em

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chronographer:

i see, thats not so hard, I will do that!

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styelz:

:)

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chronographer:

ok now why does the down key go down 2 times?

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styelz:

you have 2 channel downs ?

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styelz:

hehe

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chronographer:

yeah... thats what I was thinking

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styelz:

you only need 1 for both keys

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EmleyMoor:

I am trying to get mythtv working – the backend runs but the frontend doesn't connect to it

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chronographer:

on the same box ?

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sphery:

EmleyMoor: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[12:35:44]

EmleyMoor:

Yes, same box

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sphery:

EmleyMoor: If you follow the directions at the link I gave, you'll have a mythtv user (password mythtv) on MySQL.

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chronographer:

how did you install?

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sphery:

Then, just make sure you give the proper information when you start up mythtv-setup and it asks for database connection info.

[12:36:48]

EmleyMoor:

sphery: No longer relevant – have sorted that point

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EmleyMoor:

It's now the backend and frontend that aren't talking

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EmleyMoor:

chronographer: Packages from debian-multimedia

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chronographer:

if its a new install, I would recommend trying mythbuntu, it was a lot easyer for me to install this than the mess around with debians do-it-yourself business! But, if you don't want to, I would check all the settings in mythtv-setup

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EmleyMoor:

All seem fine

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EmleyMoor:

Frontend is not connecting to backend due possibly to the wrong port – but cannot work this out

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rooau1:

EmleyMoor: It is always a good idea to check the logs, the backend and frontend log files might have a hint.

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sphery:

Are you running frontend and backend as different users?

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chronographer:

restart the backend ? check the logs, is a great idea... good luck I'm out of here. Thanks styelz for all your time! bye

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EmleyMoor:

sphery: Yes.

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sphery:

Anyway, if different users, you probably have different DB config info in ~/.mythtv .

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EmleyMoor:

chronographer: Restarted numerous times

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sphery:

So, my recommendation is to delete ~/.mythtv (and contents) from the frontend user HOME dir and copy the backend user's ~/.mythtv and chown -R the frontend's copy to the frontend user.

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sphery:

There are prettier ways to do that, but I'm just about to walk out the door and that's the quickest to explain.

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EmleyMoor:

sphery: This is not a database issue

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EmleyMoor:

It's still not connecting. It's set up as per correct but not working

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rooau1:

EmleyMoor: It would seem that something is not correct :)

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EmleyMoor:

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EmleyMoor:

Is there a way can test with anything other than the frontend that the backend is running

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EmleyMoor:

?

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rooau1:

you said it is a combined frontend backend?

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rooau1:

"ps aux | grep mythbackend"

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EmleyMoor:

It's "a single system running both", if that's what you mean

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EmleyMoor:

It's running, but can't connect

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EmleyMoor:

It's like it's "running but not listening"

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rooau1:

maybe kill mythbackend and run mythtv-setup, confirm the backend ip etc settings.

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EmleyMoor:

... and back to exactly the same place – done it

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rooau1:

Can you pastebin the mythfrontend log? That may show something useful.

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EmleyMoor:

rooaul: No such log

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rooau1:

firstly to confirm the backend is running you can try to view the status page in a web browser, "http://ip.of.back.end:6544" you should get a status page. Do you see it?

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EmleyMoor:

Can't establish a connection

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EmleyMoor:

It's running but not listening

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rooau1:

Well that is a simple backend only test, I guess you need to get that working first.

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EmleyMoor:

Yes, but how? I see nothing wrong with how it is

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rooau1:

You should have a backend log somewhere, what is the output of "ps aux | grep mythbackend"?

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EmleyMoor:

mythtv 8184 1.6 1.6 81336 16976 ? Ssl 14:20 0:02 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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rooau1:

can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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EmleyMoor:

I'll find a suitable point to do it from and do so – the whole thing is huge and contains a lot of stuff for which I've already fixed

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EmleyMoor:

In fact, I'll start a fresh one

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rooau1:

good idea, was just looking for a marker in the logfile

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EmleyMoor:

Hmmm... it still seems to be uusing a wrong password

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EmleyMoor:

I'll try fixing that first

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justinh:

another ubuntu user who didn't read the nice popup messages they saw during the installation?

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: Not ubunto

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EmleyMoor:

ubuntu

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EmleyMoor:

Debian, and no "nice" popup messages

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

well, you have to find out what the (randomised) mysql password is for the mythtv _mysql_ user

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EmleyMoor:

Yes, found it

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justinh:

locate any mysql.txt files on your box & make sure they're all correct

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EmleyMoor:

Hmmm... now it looks better but LiveTV does not successfully start

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justinh:

when you ran mythtv-setup did scanning etc work?

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EmleyMoor:

Yes

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justinh:

and the user mythbackend is running as is a member of the video group – and that user has write privileges on the recordings directory?

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EmleyMoor:

Does it need guide data before it will work?

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justinh:

what's sometimes a good idea to do is run mythbackend from a terminal as the mythtv user

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EmleyMoor:

Yes... and recordings directory?

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justinh:

yeah. if it doesn't have permission to write to that, no TV will work

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EmleyMoor:

Presumably I need to do something about that next...

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justinh:

well, what dir did you specify in mythtv-setup?

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justinh:

option 6 – storage groups IIRC

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: I will choose a better one than I did

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justinh:

the default storage group is where all recordings (live tv too) will be kept

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justinh:

stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup, make a change – then quit mythtv-setup. it'll warn you if the permissions are wrong – but beware that the user you run mythtv-setup as has a bearing on that :)

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EmleyMoor:

Sorted now I hope

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justinh:

when any major change is done in mythtv-setup it generally requires the backend to be restarted for the change to take effect

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justinh:

best course of action is to stop mythbackend before running mythtv-setup & restart it after exiting mythtv-setup

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justinh:

heh. I like that. got shot of Vista, installed a new XP Pro (ouch! the expense!), now got 40GB of HDD space back & increased my laptop's battery life 50%

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laga:

morning justinh

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justinh:

morning laga

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justinh:

er.. afternoon – or have you just woke up?

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laga:

no, but it's sunday

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justinh:

heh

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EmleyMoor:

Hmmm... got some stuff happening now – not sure quite how good

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justinh:

I've already been into town to collect my wedding ring. had it resized – it was falling off me before. never thought I had fat fingers :P

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EmleyMoor:

Wondering how I might be able to get schedules and possibly view my Composite input

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justinh:

on a DVB card?

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EmleyMoor:

No – analogue

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justinh:

er.. is this because you plan to record from a cable or satellite set top box?

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EmleyMoor:

Potentially, yes

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justinh:

well, all you do to enable the composite input is assign it to a 'video source' in 'input connections'

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justinh:

and all you do to ge EPG data is... well I say 'all' lol... time to do some major reading because I ain't walking you through it!

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justinh:

all I'll say is, it involves xmltv – specifically tv_grab_uk_rt – and configuring that. tip: don't be a lazy bastard & just say 'yes' to all channels or you'll end up with zillionz of channels A) you can't get and B) you can't even use

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EmleyMoor:

I actually have tv_grab_uk_rt anyway...

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EmleyMoor:

(only grabbing the 5 analogue)

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EmleyMoor:

So I wojn;t have far to go on that

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justinh:

did mythtv-setup's channel scanner pick them up?

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EmleyMoor:

My problem seems to be how to get a video source set up for the previous point

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EmleyMoor:

justinh: No

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EmleyMoor:

What, the channels? Yes

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justinh:

a 'video source' in mythtv isn't really a video source. it SHOULD be called 'EPG data source' or something, anything but VIDEO SOURCE

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laga:

justinh: hey, let's make a poll for that on mythtv-dev

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justinh:

yeah let's! we can ask everybody to leave the Gaza strip while we're on

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mrsimon:

Hi, I'm trying to use the app 'cdspeed' to slow my drive down and it doesn't seem to be doing much, has anyone any experience with it?

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justinh:

mrsimon: maybe you need to be rooty, so try it with sudo if you're debian-ish

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justinh:

or man cdspeed :P

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mrsimon:

justinh: thanks there is no man and i tried root

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justinh:

--help ?

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mrsimon:

-h is not very helpful!

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mrsimon:

it should be simple but doesn;t seem to work

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mrsimon:

how do I test the speed?

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laga:

mythtv can also limit drive speed when reading DVDs AFAIK

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justinh:

anyway I thought mythfrontend could control the optical drive speed these days

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laga:

mrsimon: dd?

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laga:

mrsimon: hdparm can probably also set speed, but i'm not sure

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mrsimon:

ok cheers guys, i'll try those :)

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laga:

i seem to remember hearing that drive speed is reset every time you change the disjk

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laga:

-j

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mrsimon:

right

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mrsimon:

thanks

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justinh:

there you go. mythfrontend > utils/setup > settings > media > video settings > general > page 3

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justinh:

FFS

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EmleyMoor:

Hmmm... getting unexpected segfaulting now

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EmleyMoor:

I will have to see if there's a way to manually tune

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justinh:

there is

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ajh:

So, with mythrename there's no check to see if a switch is invalid... might want to add that :) If you put --links vs --link it will rename all your storage groups.

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ajh:

Though I'm curious why naming them like that isn't the myth default anyway, doesn't seem to buy anything to use an arbitrary name.

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ajh:

Odd, sound fine in playing recordings, but none in mythvideo.

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ajh:

Oh, that's only on the mac player, the internal on the linux box is fine.

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ajh:

Seems "No DTS Seeking Hack" is the information message.

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Ace2016_-:

Hi all

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Ace2016_-:

i need help picking speakers, what do i do when choosing speakers for a surround sound system?

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** Ace2016_- wants to build it himself **

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Ace2016_-:

i'm thinking that maybe i should use car speakers, the ones those tricked out cars have

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directhex:

why?

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Ace2016_-:

i want the best base ever

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** Ace2016_- likes bass **

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Ace2016_-:

who makes the best speakers? i've heard bose sucks

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andreax:

In my oppinion: http://www.teufel.de/de/index.cfm sorry, but it's a german company...

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laga:

andreax: i had the concept e magnum, but i sent it back.. of course, it's a good system for 150€ but it just didnt cut it for me

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laga:

i guess i just prefer stereo

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andreax:

lag: I got a (now 4 years old) of these cinema systems. I travelled a lot to any test hearrooms I can find – these was the best I ever hear... :)

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massi:

hello, do u know if ther is p2p-tv support inmythtv?

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andreax:

laga: besides that im also just a stereophonic... :)

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laga:

massi: there is none and it will never be added

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** sid3windr forgot again what p2p-tv is **

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justinh:

ha!

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ajh:

So, any reason why the Internal player would use CoreAudio for Recorded Programmes, but not for Mythvideo?

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Ace2016_-:

How good are creative labs speakers in general?

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ajh:

ace, what is your reference?

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Ace2016_-:

reference?

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ajh:

You say 'good' but good compared to what?

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justinh:

they're better than listening to audio played with tin cans underwater

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Ace2016_-:

compared to my headphones, they have a nice bass

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ajh:

I'm using B&W 601's and I don't consider them good.

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Ace2016_-:

i want something that can match the bass of a car, one of those tricked out ones

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ajh:

Especially considering right now in Mythvideo I'm not getting any sound output :)

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justinh:

ah, so you want muffled, overpowering bass which stifles all the other sound

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Ace2016_-:

exactly

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justinh:

just buy a subwoofer

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ajh:

buy a car amp and speaker box.

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ajh:

Something reflex ported.

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justinh:

or closed if it's big enough

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ajh:

If your listening room is a phonebooth that should do what you want.

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ajh:

Audio is one of those things where there's a massive subjective variation.

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justinh:

if you want car audio style bass, you should just GROW UP IMHO

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Ace2016_-:

-.-

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ajh:

justinh, that's a little harder to put on VISA. :)

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justinh:

my 4 foot high floorstanders have astounding bass, but a good OVERALL sound

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justinh:

you can't beat big boxes for that if you have the space

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ajh:

The Energy 22s are beautiful, so are most Linns.

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ajh:

You still need the oomph to power them though.

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justinh:

ok so they're made by Eltax but they were the best around for £300

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ajh:

Honstly the amp and output device and low-voltage wiring makes the biggest difference.

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ajh:

If one of those is bad, it doesn't matter what you stick on the end.

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justinh:

and the mains cable!

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justinh:

and make sure you get gold plated optical interconnects too!

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ajh:

Which is why I run a Firebox out through XLR to a Bryston 2B-SST.

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justinh:

I don't love music enough to spend a year's salary on it

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ajh:

Those are the bits where you're most likely to get noise, if you're running 1/8in out, just give up. :)

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justinh:

the connector makes squat all different

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justinh:

*difference

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ajh:

Sadly not enough cards support 1/4in or balanced output.

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ajh:

Most 1/8 connectors are crap.

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Ace2016_-:

hm...

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ajh:

and the cables poorly shielded.

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ajh:

yes, you can make them work, but usually you lose a pile there.

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justinh:

and over a 1 metre length, balanced audio means squat too unless you live near a source of strong RF – but then well designed gear shouldn't allow RF in

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ajh:

but with this I can get acceptable sound out of a set of EV PA speakers.

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justinh:

acceptable is all EV PA speakers can sound in a domestic environment

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ajh:

Yeah, I use XLR mostly for the strength of the connectors and the positive lock.

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Ace2016_-:

wtf

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justinh:

if you want hifi, you have to buy HIFI

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ajh:

That and I've got a pile of XLR from the conference. :)

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justinh:

if you want plenty (or too much) bass, team any active subwoofer up with some shitty speakers

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ajh:

No mixer, no 48 channel eq, no compressor, etc :)

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justinh:

job done

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justinh:

#

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ajh:

Basically yep.

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Ace2016_-:

i always assumed these gizmos had something that plugged into the computer/entertainment centre and encoded the audio and sent it to the speakers where it'd be decoded and played back

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justinh:

if you want GOOD sounding audio, you're going to have to pay some attention

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justinh:

but not necessarily be sucked in for all the audiophile bullshit

[16:48:09]

ajh:

Yes, don't believe what anyone says, listen.

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ajh:

So many 'high end' companies are built on their reputations of 30 years ago. Like say BOSE.

[16:48:36]

justinh:

years of DJing messed up my hearing beyond about 14k ages ago

[16:48:37]

ajh:

or Mark Levinson.

[16:49:10]

Ace2016_-:

but now they suck?

[16:49:11]

justinh:

and yes, Bose are good at making small speakers sound good but they ain't real hi-fi

[16:49:13]

ajh:

heh, I get to about 24K and noise up there drives me bonkers, the Apple IIe monitors we had at school gave me a massive migrane in about 10 minutes.

[16:49:40]

justinh:

freak :D

[16:49:41]

ajh:

Bose mostly suck, the 901's are now what they used to be. Mark Levinson, doesn't suck, but ...

[16:50:04]

ajh:

B&W just bought Classe though.

[16:50:07]

justinh:

what you do get with Bose is a lot of bass, but it sounds wrong. Go hear for yourself

[16:50:17]

ajh:

Negotiating for a home theatre decoding system from Classe now. :)

[16:50:36]

ajh:

Turns out they're big Linux users.

[16:50:46]

justinh:

hey come to think about it – Bose DO actually sound like those incar systems driven around by complete tossers

[16:51:02]

ajh:

that's how they test pop-music in the studio, cheap car speakers.

[16:51:16]

ajh:

That's why it all sounds OK on the radio but putting it on a nice system doesn't help a whole lot.

[16:51:33]

ajh:

Properly mastered stuff, classical, electronica, now that shines on a nice system.

[16:51:36]

justinh:

if the level of bass makes you shit yourself, it needs cranked up some more

[16:51:39]

Ace2016_-:

you can hear the high freq noise from tv, pc and general power supplies too? my lcd makes the noise when it powers up

[16:51:42]

ajh:

You can't even hear half of Juno Reactor on a typical system.

[16:51:53]

ajh:

Ace, only when there's no input on my tv.

[16:52:06]

ajh:

Between the guide and playback for example.

[16:52:11]

Ace2016_-:

i hear it all the time

[16:52:32]

ajh:

Well, this is a Dell 50 Plasma, so I'd expect they'd have better filters.

[16:52:34]

Ace2016_-:

i don't watch tv anymore, i stream it to the desktop from the backend

[16:52:51]

ajh:

Yeah, my good audio is on my Macpro, not on my TV.

[16:52:51]

Ace2016_-:

plasma?

[16:53:33]

** ajh puts on some Bachbusters. **

[16:53:56]

justinh:

most SMPSUs whine, whether you hear em or not depends largely on the switching frequency

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ajh:

Hard to beat properly recorded piano to show the limitations.

[16:54:30]

ajh:

justinh, yeah years ago there was a 'silent' PS, turns out it wasn't, it was 107bB, only it was at 27000Hz.

[16:54:45]

ajh:

People kept getting bad headaches for no apparent reason.

[16:54:54]

justinh:

modern SMPSUs are in the >100khz region now

[16:55:07]

justinh:

cheaper ones ain't though

[16:55:21]

ajh:

Yep, high enough to not have the SPL to affect say the water in your brain.

[16:56:50]

justinh:

audiophiles still make me laugh though. seperate PSUs for everything, special this, special that. life savings withering away to nothing. all to listen to 16-bit CD mastered so badly it may as well only be 12-bit

[16:57:27]

ajh:

Yeah, even funnier is those who do all the source stuff then run it through expensive tube amps to distort it.

[16:57:36]

justinh:

and most of them are probably old enough to have hearing so bad they'd never be able to tell their system apart from some technics all-in-one

[16:58:51]

justinh:

I suppose I'm only jealous. Jealous because I haven't got sportscar kind of money to waste on fripperies rather than say... a sportscar :D

[16:59:10]

ajh:

Yeah, I can relate. :)

[16:59:26]

ajh:

I'm probably going to rebuild an MG from the ground up vs buying something new though.

[16:59:42]

justinh:

still, if somebody makes a more expensive mains cable, there's always some damn foo who'll buy it & think it's better than the $100,000 piece of crap they were using before

[16:59:53]

ajh:

Steal the IFS/IRS from say a wrecked S2000 :)

[17:00:09]

ajh:

Well, $400 monster HDMI is the perfect example.

[17:00:26]

ajh:

"So, you spent $400 on that.. what was your bit error rate before and after?"

[17:00:43]

justinh:

compared to say, the $4 HDMI cable

[17:00:50]

ajh:

Usually they grunt and wander away to pick fleas off a friend.

[17:01:12]

justinh:

"oh but the colours are so much more vivid, and the blacks are WAY more black! motion is coped with much better too!"

[17:01:22]

justinh:

SMACK

[17:02:07]

sid3windr:

:D

[17:02:22]

ajh:

Then of course download 96kbps mp3's off limewire.

[17:02:40]

justinh:

The Gadget Show almost got it right, but they tested a £1500 cable against a £100 one

[17:03:34]

ajh:

I saw one where they tested expenisve SP/DIF cables, found no difference, then tried a coat-hanger and it worked fine.

[17:03:53]

ajh:

Alan Cox pointed that one out, he couldn't stop laughing.

[17:04:12]

justinh:

muh, but but but butbutbutbutbutbut jitter!

[17:04:34]

ajh:

Most jitter comes from the rip.

[17:04:45]

justinh:

or from the player itself

[17:04:49]

justinh:

or the clock generator

[17:04:53]

ajh:

and honestly i know I have some, but I usually can't tell.... who wants to rip at 1 time on a plextor for everything.

[17:05:02]

justinh:

or the PSU

[17:05:12]

justinh:

not from the cable ffs :D

[17:05:58]

ajh:

OK, nice diversion but I'd really better get back to work. :)

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gbee:

justinh: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18117

[17:08:44]

gbee:

since G.A.N.T. is the most common layout – watermarks + vertical layout + titles that should provide enough info to allow the conversion of most themes

[17:09:09]

justinh:

cool ta

[17:09:31]

gbee:

any questions, let me know – and everyone is welcome to help, not just justinh

[17:10:28]

gbee:

anyone pretending they didn't see that should be ashamed ;)

[17:11:46]

justinh:

what's that gbee? since G.A.N.T is going to be deleted from SVN? music to my years :P

[17:11:57]

gbee:

justinh: if whatever editor you use has a search/replace feature, especially with regular expressions it might make life easier

[17:11:59]

justinh:

oops I saw what I wanted to see

[17:11:59]

gbee:

hehe

[17:12:20]

justinh:

they'll all need testing anyway, so it matters not

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gbee:

as long as they basically work that's a start – I can't commit these changes until all the themes are usable, which is one reason for changing the name from theme.xml to menu-ui.xml since both can live side by side in SVN for a smooth transition

[17:14:27]

janneg:

gbee: any way to test the changes? I'll convert at least the theme I currently use

[17:14:50]

sshirley:

Hi everyone! I'm trying to hook my Myth box up to my HD STB but I'm not having too much luck. It will see the box but cannot get a full lock, only a partial lock.

[17:15:37]

justinh:

sshirley: over firewire?

[17:15:42]

gbee:

janneg: I can make a patch available – it's not complete yet but it mostly works

[17:15:58]

justinh:

FYI you can't connect a HDTV tuner card to a HD STB & expect it to work

[17:16:15]

sshirley:

justinh: Sorry...yes.

[17:17:42]

sshirley:

justinh: how do you mean?

[17:18:40]

justinh:

I mean, if you had say a PCHD5500 or whatever, and you somehow connected that to a HDTV STB, it wouldn't work

[17:19:02]

justinh:

you have to use firewire to get a digital transfer from the STB

[17:20:04]

sshirley:

Do I need to have an HD Tuner in order to connect it to a HD STB? I don't. I thought that the firewire connection took care of all that?

[17:20:18]

justinh:

no you just need a firewire connection

[17:20:26]

justinh:

anything else is superfluous

[17:20:48]

justinh:

as for the partial locks... I didn't think they had anything to do with firewire usage

[17:21:09]

justinh:

thought they were only about DVB & ATSC tuners

[17:21:30]

sshirley:

I've set it on Broadcast as opposed to P2P. Broadcast is more stable for me.

[17:23:10]

sshirley:

If not due to firewire usage, what then?

[17:23:47]

justinh:

I dunno. it might be normal for firewire or not. never seen it mentioned in relation to firewire connections before

[17:24:21]

sshirley:

damn

[17:24:37]

justinh:

now probably isn't a good time to pick this channel's brain for firewire help ;)

[17:24:53]

sshirley:

why is that?

[17:25:25]

justinh:

the time of day & the likelihood of folks who use firewire being around more than anything else

[17:26:23]

gbee:

janneg: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . medmenu.diff

[17:26:36]

sshirley:

True. Where are the main guys for that geographically located?

[17:27:14]

gbee:

as I said before, it's not feature complete but it should be enough to test watermark based themes (icon based is something I'm still working on)

[17:27:40]

justinh:

in the US/Canada – you don't really get STBs with firewire outside of those areas

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sshirley:

Similar question.....I was looking on MS Media Centers site and I saw something about attaching a CableCard to a computer via a PCMCIA adapter for HD connectivity. Would that be an issue using MythTV

[17:31:47]

Dagmar:

It would be a pretty serious problem.

[17:32:01]

Dagmar:

For one thing, PCMCIA and CableCard aren't electrically compatible.

[17:32:16]

Dagmar:

For another, no drivers.

[17:33:20]

sshirley:

I had read that a CableCard IS a pcmcia card.

[17:33:34]

my2keh:

anyone know how to debug getting static? I get it even on videos I put on my myth box

[17:33:55]

sshirley:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD

[17:34:46]

sshirley:

As far as the drivers, that's what I was asking about. I was wondering if you guys knew of their existence.

[17:34:54]

justinh:

they don't exist

[17:35:18]

sshirley:

That sucks

[17:35:28]

justinh:

and AFAIK the ones for PCs are tied to specific hardware – i.e. they come in a PC & they stay in that PC or they no worky

[17:38:04]

sshirley:

AFAIK they are made for TVs. Slide 'em in a special slot and you don't need a STB. But if you get a PCMCIA-to-PCI adapter, you can use it in a PC.

[17:38:41]

directhex:

no no no no no

[17:38:47]

directhex:

stop pretending to be clued in

[17:38:56]

directhex:

physically, the form factor is the same as PCMCIA

[17:39:08]

directhex:

electrically, they are different. power along the data lines different

[17:39:25]

directhex:

plug a cablecard/CAM into a pcmcia slot: burn out both

[17:39:55]

Dagmar:

sshirley: Don't believe everything you read.

[17:40:03]

Dagmar:

Here's one example: http://www.audioholics.com/education/display- . . . rds-a-primer

[17:40:21]

Dagmar:

Anything you find about new technology, you find *twice* or assume the original author is probably wrong.

[17:40:58]

Dagmar:

"After fighting it for almost ten years, the cable-TV industry is now subject to a Federal Communication Commission (FCC) mandate that states that all providers must offer CableCARDs as of July 1, 2004."

[17:41:07]

sshirley:

Thanks, directhex. Nice attitude.

[17:41:08]

Dagmar:

^-- complete nonsense

[17:41:38]

Dagmar:

sshirley: Thanks for letting us all know not to bother answering your questions anymore.

[17:41:51]

directhex:

sshirley, someone says "no, you're wrong, here's reality", based on knowledge and experience. you correct them, based on cluelessness?

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sshirley:

No, that's fine. Just the stop pretending to be clued in. :-) But anyway, thanks for the link. I'll read it

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Dagmar:

Good.

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Dagmar:

I hope she reads that link, ignores what I said about it being crap, and makes an ass of herself somewhere else.

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sid3windr:

lol =)

[17:45:29]

cesman:

could be steve shirley ;)

[17:46:34]

Dagmar:

Frankly, I don't care if it's Shirley the Cross-Dresser.

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cesman:

lol

[17:46:51]

cesman:

dude relax...

[17:47:06]

Dagmar:

We need an orbital railgun.

[17:47:57]

directhex:

Dagmar, name it ted. that way, you tell people "have you met ted? he's taking a special interest in you"

[17:48:06]

Dagmar:

heheh

[17:48:32]

ajh:

I don't quite think that's what he had in mind when he said "World Domination"

[17:48:46]

Dagmar:

I don't want to dominate the world.

[17:48:57]

Dagmar:

I just want to improve it by thinning the shallow end of the gene pool a bit.

[17:49:41]

ajh:

Step 1. eliminate anyone who is a 'card carrying member' of any political group.

[17:49:46]

Dagmar:

World domination has *HUGE* administrative overhead. Just look at the mongols or Rome.

[17:50:17]

Dagmar:

It's way too much trouble.

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ajh:

Even local politics is too much trouble. :)

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wagnerrp:

seems canon won the SED lawsuit

[18:02:38]

wagnerrp:

after 2 years, the technology may be forth coming

[18:05:37]

Dagmar:

Let's hear it for patents stifling innovation at every turn

[18:05:51]

Dagmar:

hip hip... ho hum...

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[19:01:33]

my2keh:

should mythfrontend and Xorg consume 100+% cpu?

[19:01:44]

justinh:

no, it should be 400%

[19:02:22]

** sid3windr drops off the chair **

[19:02:36]

my2keh:

phewf!

[19:02:41]

clever:

i had that problem when i was in some weird deinterlace mode

[19:02:43]

my2keh:

i was worried for a second

[19:02:44]

clever:

100% system to xorg

[19:03:20]

my2keh:

what did you change it to?

[19:03:33]

my2keh:

thanks for the excellent answer justinh! :)

[19:03:56]

clever:

i just disabled deinterlacing

[19:04:09]

my2keh:

hmm ok i'll look for that in the settings somewhere

[19:04:37]

clever:

i just hit m when playing

[19:04:42]

clever:

it was down near the bottom

[19:04:58]

clever:

but its been rearranged alot since

[19:05:21]

justinh:

time to look in your mythfrontend log file my2keh

[19:05:45]

justinh:

-v playback would be a good place to start

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justinh:

although if the high usage is going on when not playing anything, suspect your opengl setup. Stop using G.A.N.T

[19:06:39]

justinh:

as well as looking awful it eats CPU with that daft pulsing logo

[19:06:41]

kdub:

switch to qt and see if it still happens

[19:06:55]

my2keh:

I'm not using GANT, and no, low CPU when not doing anything

[19:07:05]

Dagmar:

I've been saying that pulsing thing is being done wrong

[19:07:23]

Dagmar:

The only thing that appears to restrict it's speed is _how fast your CPU is_ and that's just insanity.

[19:07:28]

kdub:

i dont think there is a correct way to do animations with the current myth frontend

[19:07:30]

kdub:

its all a hack

[19:09:13]

my2keh:

running with logging now

[19:09:17]

my2keh:

-v all

[19:09:29]

cesman:

famicom: the answer to your question depends on what it is you intend to do

[19:09:45]

cesman:

famicom: provide more details...

[19:10:02]

justinh:

Dagmar: just get rid of it. it doesn't serve any useful purpose & certainly doesn't add any eye candy

[19:10:08]

cesman:

famicom: hardware specs, what it is you intend to watch (SD or HD)....

[19:10:53]

justinh:

at least the flipbook 'animation' stuff is on proper timers

[19:11:04]

sid3windr:

gant has a pulsing logo?

[19:11:06]

gbee:

my2keh: which video driver?

[19:11:07]

justinh:

the gl fade is another free-runner though

[19:11:19]

famicom:

cesman huh

[19:11:22]

justinh:

sid3windr: yeah if you enable the opengl painter

[19:11:24]

famicom:

what the fuck are you talking about

[19:11:26]

sid3windr:

ahh

[19:11:33]

cesman:

famicom: sorry, wrong person

[19:11:34]

my2keh:

gbee>> umm not sure?

[19:11:36]

gbee:

gl fade and alpha pulse are the same code

[19:11:41]

famicom:

ah ok

[19:11:44]

my2keh:

anything in particular I'm looking for in the log file?

[19:11:46]

famicom:

no worries

[19:12:08]

justinh:

there's a small case of beer in it for the person who does away with the gl fade :)

[19:12:16]

gbee:

my2keh: high cpu with video is a symptom of no XVideo support with your graphics driver

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my2keh:

and that's fixed how?

[19:12:56]

gbee:

justinh: heh, well I've made it smoother in trunk – but Paul might be the one to collect on that since he's nicked my transitions project :(

[19:13:00]

justinh:

fixed by getting proper video drivers

[19:13:15]

my2keh:

damn nvidia!

[19:13:23]

gbee:

start by pastebin'ing the log first

[19:13:30]

justinh:

nvididdy who?

[19:13:38]

my2keh:

ok sec

[19:13:43]

justinh:

nevah any xv issues with them, shirley

[19:14:20]

justinh:

gbee: oh right – dropping mytharchive like a hot turkey & doing more blingy stuff. pff ;)

[19:15:39]

** justinh goes looking for a recent vmware image **

[19:17:40]

my2keh:

i don't think pastebin likes me right now

[19:18:17]

my2keh:

i guess 36000 lines is too much

[19:18:23]

sid3windr:

:>

[19:19:53]

justinh:

-v playback will suffice

[19:20:25]

my2keh:

oh ok

[19:20:27]

my2keh:

lemme try again

[19:21:43]

justinh:

oyay ubuntu have their own vmware images now. nift-mongous!

[19:22:03]

kdub:

my2keh, didnt you say you get high CPU when not even playing video?

[19:22:50]

my2keh:

kdub>> no

[19:22:56]

kdub:

oh, k

[19:23:05]

my2keh:

when at menu screen, CPU is at like 0

[19:23:06]

my2keh:

< 10

[19:23:42]

my2keh:

http://fpaste.org/paste/4586

[19:25:04]

clever:

ive got a bug with the recording list

[19:25:25]

clever:

if it goes empty(like deleting the last one in the current group) the frontend goes 100% cpu usage

[19:25:41]

kdub:

my2keh, you on mac os?

[19:25:59]

my2keh:

kdub>> Fedora 9

[19:26:09]

justinh:

deinterlacer onefield is not supported w/renderer quartz-blit

[19:26:16]

kdub:

quartz is for mac

[19:26:26]

kdub:

use xv

[19:26:40]

justinh:

use the trout, more like!

[19:26:42]

my2keh:

is that in the Settings? I don't even know how that would be set to that?

[19:26:46]

my2keh:

THE TROUT!

[19:26:49]

kdub:

its in playback settings

[19:26:50]

sid3windr:

zee trawt

[19:27:06]

justinh:

!trout my2keh PC-is-not-a-MAC

[19:27:06]

** MythLogBot slaps my2keh with a PC-is-not-a-MAC trout on behalf of justinh... **

[19:27:15]

my2keh:

now now

[19:27:24]

my2keh:

I didn't set this quartz thing

[19:27:32]

kdub:

i wonder why onefield isnt supported in quartz

[19:27:33]

justinh:

how did you even end up with that as a setting by mistake?

[19:27:39]

my2keh:

is it in the Playback Profile?

[19:27:41]

justinh:

well done!

[19:27:43]

justinh:

yes

[19:27:44]

kdub:

seems like it would be a joke to implement

[19:27:51]

my2keh:

it's set on "Slim"

[19:28:02]

justinh:

oh the irony

[19:28:06]

kdub:

its on slim mac apparently

[19:28:11]

my2keh:

LOL

[19:28:15]

my2keh:

I do see some stuff around quartz

[19:28:19]

justinh:

a cpu profile designed to not use much cpu.. rofl

[19:28:30]

my2keh:

If rez >= 1280 720 -> ffmpeg & quartz

[19:28:39]

kdub:

well anywhere you see that it says quartz change it to ffmpeg and xv

[19:28:48]

my2keh:

or if rez > 0 0 -> ffmpeg & quartz

[19:29:11]

justinh:

U NEEDZ TEH ECKS VEE

[19:29:16]

my2keh:

so CPU+ doesn't mention quartz

[19:29:28]

my2keh:

XvMC and XVideo?

[19:29:37]

kdub:

what video card do you have by the way? nvidia support for the xserver in fedora 9 is piss poor

[19:29:40]

justinh:

no just XVideo

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my2keh:

justinh>> not sure how to set that in this new Playback profile screen

[19:30:21]

my2keh:

kdub>> 8200 i think

[19:30:22]

qwarlock:

hey guys... I am using ivtv and Myth and I cant get channels like BBC America

[19:30:31]

qwarlock:

any idea how I get those?

[19:30:43]

kdub:

my2keh, the problem might be the horrible nvidia driver for fedora 9

[19:30:54]

my2keh:

i read about problems with it

[19:30:59]

justinh:

my2keh: you could just try using a different video profile

[19:31:01]

my2keh:

there's a new 177 beta driver out

[19:31:10]

kdub:

i tried 177, it still sucks

[19:31:14]

justinh:

or put FC in the bin where it belongs

[19:31:22]

kdub:

it takes a full second to draw an xchat window

[19:31:30]

my2keh:

well nothing else has the newer kernel built in

[19:31:39]

my2keh:

2.6.25.11

[19:31:44]

justinh:

eh? hell even a RAM-RAM blit wouldn't take thagt long

[19:31:56]

kdub:

justinh, no shit

[19:32:00]

justinh:

like building a kernel is hard

[19:32:11]

my2keh:

maybe heh

[19:32:49]

qwarlock:

any idea on the upper frequncies?

[19:32:53]

my2keh:

i like knoppmyth :)

[19:33:04]

kdub:

qwarlock, you talking digital cable?

[19:33:20]

qwarlock:

yea my cable box gets the channels fine

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kdub:

then you get to deal with the joy of IR blasters

[19:33:46]

kdub:

you cannot simply tune those channels

[19:33:47]

qwarlock:

but when I look up us-cable and us-cable-freq tables they stop

[19:33:54]

kdub:

you have to grab them from out of the cablebox

[19:34:10]

kdub:

yeah, it aint happenin

[19:34:18]

kdub:

those a digital channels and you are doing an analog scan

[19:34:20]

kdub:

you wont find them

[19:34:25]

laga:

so who was the guy who wanted trunk builds on ubuntu for his hd-pvr?

[19:34:51]

qwarlock:

hmmm no hack ways around it or I can only use myth on the old stuff?

[19:35:02]

kdub:

no way possible

[19:35:21]

kdub:

you might get EXTREMELY lucky and be able to grab them with a $30 digital tuner

[19:35:32]

kdub:

but that is very rare in the US

[19:36:00]

justinh:

qwarlock: usually it's because somebody has selected the wrong frequency standard in mythtv-setup

[19:36:05]

qwarlock:

anyone working on this associated with Myth? Seems like this means Myth is out of business soon

[19:36:21]

kdub:

qwarlock, every htpc suffers from this

[19:36:25]

kdub:

it has nothing to do with myth

[19:36:31]

justinh:

myth is not in business

[19:36:36]

justinh:

and not everybody is in the US

[19:36:44]

kdub:

the only way around it is to buy a $1500 vista digital cable system

[19:36:45]

clever:

canada here!

[19:36:49]

qwarlock:

just an expression

[19:36:50]

justinh:

so who cares? :D

[19:36:50]

laga:

justinh: LIAR

[19:37:08]

qwarlock:

well when all stations become diital... will Myth be able to grab them?

[19:37:11]

kdub:

everyone isnt in the US, just everyone noteworthy

[19:37:21]

justinh:

kdub: who you calling unworthy?

[19:37:24]

kdub:

qwarlock, that wont happen for many years

[19:37:31]

kdub:

justinh, YOU

[19:37:42]

justinh:

kdub: like you know anything

[19:38:23]

kdub:

qwarlock, the cable company wants you to rent boxes from them, so of course they make this crap hard

[19:38:27]

laga:

i gotta say, eskil's shoutcast patch is nice – looks like there is music that's not guitar noise

[19:38:50]

justinh:

laga: nah that's not possible

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my2keh:

so if i put something like "if rez > 0 0 -> XvMC" ??

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kdub:

my2keh, how fast is your processor?

[19:39:10]

justinh:

my2keh: Xv

[19:39:12]

justinh:

Xv

[19:39:13]

justinh:

Xv

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justinh:

geddit?

[19:39:23]

my2keh:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+

[19:39:34]

kdub:

Xv = XVideo != XvMC

[19:39:40]

justinh:

you won't be needing XVMC

[19:39:48]

kdub:

for HD he might need it

[19:39:50]

my2keh:

justinh>> it doesn't seem to be an option in the Decoder drop down

[19:39:53]

kdub:

you playing HD?

[19:39:57]

my2keh:

Yes

[19:39:57]

justinh:

not that it's much use anyway

[19:39:58]

qwarlock:

kdub: well I have a cable box going to my television.. but prefer using Myth...do I get it to work if I split the cable between the box and the television? hmmm actually tht would mean I have to watch what is selected on the box I think

[19:40:07]

my2keh:

but this is regular TV that i'm having these problems on

[19:40:41]

kdub:

qwarlock, you should use the svideo out on your cablebox

[19:40:50]

kdub:

and an IR blaster to change channekls

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justinh:

kdub: stop talking out of your ass for a minute please. XVMC is only any use for MPEG2, and if that CPU couldn't play mpeg2 HDTV unaided, somebody would need a labotomy

[19:41:29]

justinh:

then again it can't play SDTV unaided cos somebody's using the wrong playback profile but hey ho

[19:41:32]

kdub:

dude

[19:41:35]

kdub:

i dont know

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kdub:

i said might

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my2keh:

yeah

[19:41:51]

my2keh:

so what if Xv isn't in the Decoder drop down?

[19:42:00]

kdub:

heh

[19:42:01]

kdub:

dude

[19:42:08]

kdub:

xv = xvideo

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laga:

decoder = standard

[19:42:18]

my2keh:

There's a Decoder = Standard , Video Render = xv-blit

[19:42:19]

kdub:

pick xvideo

[19:42:21]

laga:

video renderer = xv-blit

[19:42:25]

kdub:

xv-blit

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qwarlock:

okkdub: thanks... I will try... at least it is more than I am getting

[19:42:27]

kdub:

yes

[19:42:31]

my2keh:

ok one sec

[19:42:40]

my2keh:

OSD Renderer = softblend?

[19:42:42]

qwarlock:

mostly I like watching bbc america and hate that I cant get it

[19:42:45]

justinh:

standard decoder, the _renderer_ should be xv-blit

[19:43:03]

andreax1:

*scare* Tons of xv's in my eyes....

[19:43:23]

my2keh:

k trying

[19:44:01]

justinh:

yes, it is

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my2keh:

82% -> Xorg, 60% mythfrontend

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qwarlock:

any brands or cool things to look for on IR Blasters?

[19:45:13]

my2keh:

still darned high

[19:45:43]

Dagmar:

qwarlock: WIki

[19:45:45]

kdub:

qwarlock, there is nothing cool about the hack job that is ir blasting

[19:46:17]

my2keh:

should I turn on logging again? will that help?

[19:46:27]

justinh:

so how come fedora are slow on the uptake of decent nvidia drivers ?

[19:46:45]

laga:

they're not in the official repos

[19:46:48]

laga:

AFAIK

[19:46:52]

justinh:

logging would miraculously make it use less CPU

[19:47:08]

my2keh:

i sense sarcasm!

[19:47:15]

kdub:

its not fedora that is slow with the nvidia drivers

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justinh:

but it might shed some light on the subject

[19:47:26]

my2keh:

i will do it again

[19:47:31]

sid3windr:

logging fixes heisenbugs!

[19:48:02]

sid3windr:

also, get a quadcore. one core for xorg, one for mythfrontend. 2 for the rest!

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justinh:

run an OS per core. get the worst of several worlds at the same time :D

[19:49:42]

my2keh:

http://fpaste.org/paste/4588

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my2keh:

that's with Decoder = Standard

[19:50:04]

my2keh:

there's no quartz at least

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my2keh:

heh

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justinh:

using 2 cpus for decoding?

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justinh:

TWO?

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my2keh:

i figured i'd do that to see

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my2keh:

heh

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justinh:

that's only any use for sliced h.264 right now. anything else will cause a massive performance drop. funny that

[19:51:48]

my2keh:

man, ok I will change to one CPU

[19:52:10]

my2keh:

this is funny, I pick SLIM and it means LOTS of CPU

[19:52:18]

my2keh:

I add 2 CPU's it gets slower?

[19:52:23]

my2keh:

lol I don't think I understand

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justinh:

I don't think you ever will, but I digress

[19:53:02]

my2keh:

i would tend to agree

[19:53:06]

justinh:

true multithreaded playback is not possible right now unless the content is encoded in slices

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qwarlock:

kdub: ok I will look up IR Blasters and see what info I can get

[19:53:20]

qwarlock:

thanks again

[19:53:39]

justinh:

or unless you use a hacked mythtv & some lordy high fallootin external decoder app like AVC but that's not on the table here

[19:53:55]

justinh:

s/AVC/CoreAVC

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** laga is currently working on coreavc support for ubuntu intrepid ;) **

[19:54:36]

justinh:

how much is coreavc anyway?

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my2keh:

still 82.5 and 61.9%

[19:55:13]

kdub:

its $30 i think

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laga:

dunno how much it costs, but it probably won't be necessary anymore with newer ffmpeg.

[19:55:33]

kdub:

nope, $15

[19:55:40]

justinh:

14 dowwar. ooooo

[19:55:42]

laga:

i'm not running trunk so i can't test the ffmpeg merge patch

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kdub:

can the new ffmpeg play the hd-pvr crap?

[19:56:06]

laga:

dunno, try it :)

[19:56:17]

kdub:

effort, youre asking a lot

[19:56:28]

my2keh:

Here it is with 1 CPU http://fpaste.org/paste/4595

[19:56:33]

laga:

janneg committed a fix for the livetv deinterlacer problem today. yay.

[19:57:17]

my2keh:

Using 1 CPUs for decoding

[19:57:42]

kdub:

i wonder if frys has hdpvrs yet

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my2keh:

AFD: Using ffmpeg for video decoding

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kdub:

I think im going to go check.

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kdub:

oh sweet they are on the frys website

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my2keh:

justinh>> any other ideas?

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** cesman would think my2keh CPU is plenty power enough **

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my2keh:

I would think so too!

[20:04:39]

my2keh:

ohhh sweet knoppmyth heh

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my2keh:

tomorrow is another day!

[20:07:03]

cesman:

I've a 3200+ and have _no_ issues playing have HD

[20:07:32]

my2keh:

it's gatta be this crappy nvidia

[20:07:32]

cesman:

it even plays back x264

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cesman:

I use an nvidia chipset based card as well

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laga:

wanna see some HD it can't play? ;)

[20:08:02]

my2keh:

but an 8200?

[20:08:10]

my2keh:

perhaps the drivers aren't the best

[20:08:14]

cesman:

I think it is a 6600

[20:08:25]

my2keh:

my previous box worked well with KM though

[20:08:32]

cesman:

:)

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justinh:

perhaps it's just down to the crappy drivers you're lumbered with by FC

[20:09:07]

justinh:

and one has to wonder why you'd choose a different OS if the last one did the job just fine ;)

[20:09:12]

cesman:

laga: sure

[20:09:15]

my2keh:

by FC?

[20:09:23]

my2keh:

justinh>>> ask cesman why ;)

[20:09:41]

cesman:

I know it won't play 1080...

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my2keh:

I'm running the lastest nvidia drivers though, so not sure why Fedora would matter?

[20:10:05]

laga:

cesman: yeah, 1080i h264 needs lots of horse power

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cesman:

I personally don't care about 1080 when my HDTV is only 720 and 720 looks just as good to my eye

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laga:

i have to care because i only get 1080i content ;)

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my2keh:

kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11–97.fc9.i686–173.14.12–2.lvn9.i686

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my2keh:

xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173.14.12–1.lvn9.i386

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my2keh:

xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-173.14.12–1.lvn9.i386

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my2keh:

kmod-nvidia-173.14.12–2.lvn9.i686

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my2keh:

this means I'm on 173.14.12 no?

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cesman:

I'd think so

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my2keh:

yeah

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my2keh:

i'll keep googlin'

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kdub:

hdpvr obtained

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kdub:

fry's has em for $229

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justinh:

heh. this is a first. running a virtual machine properly

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justinh:

oh dear. Isaac Hayes has died

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zippytech2:

hey any idea how i can change my lang back to english

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ab0oo:

I'm unable to get "cover art" (movie posters) to download for my existing AVI video files on a fresh install of mythbuntu. The scripts appear to run (and can be run by hand), but the files never appear in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo

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ab0oo:

zippytech2, you can select the language in the setup (appearance) screen

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ab0oo:

specifically, Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance

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ab0oo:

4th screen in allows you to pick language

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zippytech2:

i will check thanks

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Guest_696:

hello anyone on?

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Dagmar:

No one here but us chickens.

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justinh:

ab0oo: poster files are downloaded to the directory specified in the setup section of mythvideo > general

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justinh:

make sure the user you run mythfrontend as has permission to write there

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Guest_696:

hey guys

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Guest_696:

question.

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laga:

answer

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justinh:

next question

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Guest_696:

any luck getting HD using 169time products to myth tv

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laga:

what's a 169time products?

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justinh:

dodgy borderline illegal hacked boxes

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justinh:

borderline illegal == not yet tested in court

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Guest_696:

http://www.169time.com/index.html#fustb

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Guest_696:

They allow firewire capture of satellite signals

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Dagmar:

Guest_696: So, ask them. Not us.

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't make hardware.

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Dagmar:

Notably, MYTHTV DOESN'T RECORD TO TAPE.

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Guest_696:

lol yeah, I know (both)

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Guest_696:

but there is the ability to receive a firewire signal (possibly) and go to disk with it.

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Dagmar:

So what

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Dagmar:

MythTV is not for recording to tapes.

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justinh:

hrm can't get a svn co with svn+ssh to work with a username

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Dagmar:

169time stuff IS for recording to tapes.

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justinh:

or Windows PCs

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Guest_696:

well, would allow us to record in high def to disk.

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Dagmar:

No, it wouldn't.

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laga:

"With 169time you can record HDTV to compatible DVHS HD tape recorders, stand alone hard drives HD, and PC or Mac hard drives. "

[22:00:41]

Dagmar:

It would however, allow laywers to decend upon us with great abandon.

[22:01:15]

Dagmar:

So, in case you haven't caught on yet, if you want to ask questions about pirated TV with Myth, you can fuck right off.

[22:01:16]

simcop2387:

anybody know at all if its possible with any nvidia card to send closed captioning data on tv out?

[22:01:32]

Guest_696:

Yeah I know about the tape thing. Requires some things done. There is a thread on the archives about Myth TV to get this to work, but something about an intermediary box between the STB and the myth TV box.

[22:01:41]

Dagmar:

simcop2387: I dont' think it's possible, although Myth should be able to parse and display the CC data for you

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Guest_696:

I am hoping the intermediary step will be removed at some point.

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justinh:

hahaha

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Guest_696:

Because from what I read it requires some type of XP driven box. ( not sure why)

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justinh:

get with the program – digital content distributors are only going to make life harder, not easier

[22:03:13]

Dagmar:

Guest_696: Or you could just buy a Hauppauge HD-PVR and not worry about pirated TV.

[22:03:17]

simcop2387:

Dagmar: thats what i figured, i'm just trying to figure out if i could send it to the tv for anything :)

[22:03:32]

Dagmar:

simcop2387: Far as I know you can't but you shoudln't actually need to either.

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justinh:

those 169time boxes are expensive anyway

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Dagmar:

I mean, Myth basically treats the display as a dumb picture box

[22:03:56]

Guest_696:

yeah tell me about it. (expensive)

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Dagmar:

Guest_696: Another sign the box isn't being used for anything but piracy.

[22:04:21]

simcop2387:

Dagmar: this isn't specifically for myth, just as something else to play with :)

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Guest_696:

hmm Dag you interest me. What does the Happauge HD-DVR do for you?

[22:04:38]

Dagmar:

justin: Make no doubt about it, this shit is illegal

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Dagmar:

Guest_696: It encodes HD video to h.264.

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justinh:

the HDPVR box captures component & turns it into h.264 streams you need a behemoth of a machine to play

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Guest_696:

Ah, now that is intersting. So the play back of the h.264 is all in software then?

[22:05:58]

justinh:

why the hell is svn wanting me to enter my password 3 times?

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justinh:

Guest_696: of course. this is linux!

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Guest_696:

lol course what could I be thinking (smacks self)

[22:06:38]

Dagmar:

...that someone should invent a tool that one can use to search web pages with?

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Guest_696:

hmmm, wget might be useful for that if you download the content first.

[22:08:29]

Dagmar:

Or, you could type in the little box on your browser with the "G" next to it.

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Guest_696:

lol

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Guest_696:

Doe!

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justinh:

Dagmar: ahh so that's where all the ahem ahem (cough) stuff comes from on the services all the users of those non-tv recording 'media centers' rely on! AHA

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Dagmar:

justinh: I know crime when I see it, and those boxes have "crime" written all over it.

[22:10:12]

justinh:

"no, we do plan to integrate TV functions at some point – maybe when we're done watching all these 'x264 rips' "

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Dagmar:

"169time" should probably be a word-kick.

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justinh:

like that SACS or whatever it's called

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justinh:

anyway time to be somewhere else

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brewmaster:

hey all, i'm running both myth frontend and the backend on a P4 3.0ghz machine with 1GB RAM for ota-dtv

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brewmaster:

i've tried to optimize somewhat by following the wiki online

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brewmaster:

but some channels — especially the ones in HD — get choppy

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brewmaster:

(i.e., freeze for a split second every few seconds)

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Dagmar:

Playback of h264 sez "SEND MOAR MEGAHURTS"

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brewmaster:

so, the question is, what's would help me more for optimization?

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brewmaster:

more RAM? I can bring my machine to 3GB

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Guest_696:

What file system are you using?

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brewmaster:

or perhaps compiling the major programs from sours?

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brewmaster:

i'm using mythbuntu hardy

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brewmaster:

but i installed ratpoison

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brewmaster:

and so don't use xfce

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Guest_696:

k, what capture card are you using? Hardware or software based?

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brewmaster:

pchdtv 5500

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brewmaster:

i think that's it's software based?

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brewmaster:

i have an nvidia 6200

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Guest_696:

Im not familiar with mythbuntu hardy or ratpoisoin

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Dagmar:

Or much of anything apparently

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Guest_696:

lol

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Guest_696:

What you think Dag?

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brewmaster:

guest_696, ratpoison == minimal window manager

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brewmaster:

where the mouse is useless ;)

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Guest_696:

the docs definitely lean towards hardware based capture though brew

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Guest_696:

to free up your cpu

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brewmaster:

yeah, i know *hangs head in shame*

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brewmaster:

would RAM help at this point?

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Guest_696:

lol, but 3 gighz *should* be enough

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Dagmar:

brewmaster; I kinda doubt you're even using HALF of the RAM you have

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Guest_696:

Just one tuner?

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brewmaster:

dagmar, true

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brewmaster:

yeah, just one tuner

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brewmaster:

so much for more ram :P

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Dagmar:

h264 playback is just bitchy

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brewmaster:

using about 75%

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brewmaster:

what player does mythtv use for live tv?

[22:19:35]

brewmaster:

mplayer?

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jblack:

internal by default

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brewmaster:

wait, more info...

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brewmaster:

i'm outputting to an analog tv

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brewmaster:

is that much more work on my cpu?

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** cesman has playback HD w/ a 3 GHz p4 w/o issue **

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cesman:

and it only has 1 gig of RAM

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cesman:

personally, I think that is all you need

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my2keh:

i did the same with my AMD

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my2keh:

worked A-OK

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bsdfox__:

you shouldn't need much ram for video playback

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cesman:

brewmaster: how much RAM does you video card have?

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brewmaster:

cesman, do you think it is more of a workload to downsize the output to my old analog tv?

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cesman:

no

[22:24:38]

cesman:

I've my SBE hooked to a TV and it has no issues

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cesman:

same hard as I've desribed

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Dagmar:

Downscaling is trivial

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Dagmar:

Think of it as "merely half-assed playbakc"

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my2keh:

anyone here use a MediaMVP or something similar?

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brewmaster:

cesman, can't remember how much ram the card has...

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brewmaster:

is there an easy cat /proc/xxxx command to find out ;)

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clever:

cat /proc/meminfo

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cesman:

meminfo gives details on video card RAM?!

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brewmaster:

cesman, not that i can see...

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cesman:

I was going to say, check your xorg log

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clever:

cesman: you never said that:P

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clever:

lspci can show vid ram size

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cesman:

clever: I wasn't asking that

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cesman:

brewmaster: you did install the nvidia drivers right?

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brewmaster:

yes

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brewmaster:

i used envyng to get the latest / best

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** cesman would recommend no less than 128 megs of RAM for your video card **

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cesman:

latest != best

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brewmaster:

my nvidia card has 256 mb ram

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clever:

128m on my nvidia and it has no trouble with xv and xvid

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cesman:

your hardware sounds very similar to what I'm running on one of my systems

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brewmaster:

cesman, what os you running?

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cesman:

like I stated, I've no issues w/ HD or x264 on it

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cesman:

My kernel is Linux, my distro is KnoppMyth

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brewmaster:

capture card?

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cesman:

which one? ;)

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cesman:

PVR 1/2/350 and 500 have been in it... pcHDTV 2/3/5500 and Air2PC

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my2keh:

someone has too much hardware!

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my2keh:

heh

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cesman:

too much?

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my2keh:

ur right, no such thing

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cesman:

I can only record 4 HD sows at once...

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cesman:

that isn't too much

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my2keh:

LOL

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cesman:

and yes, there have been times when I've record that much at once

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my2keh:

especially during hockey season I know!

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** cesman doesn't watch hockey **

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cesman:

or much sports in general

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my2keh:

then what other content is on HDTV?

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my2keh:

ha

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cesman:

great stuff on PBS

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my2keh:

this is true

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my2keh:

I wish they made Mickey Mouse Club House in HD

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brewmaster:

so no one has any magic optimizing formula?

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brewmaster:

could it be heat related? i have the stock intel fan in there and my cpu is always dangerously hot

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cesman:

I do my best to optimize KnoppMyth out the box ;)

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my2keh:

I would tend to agree

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jblack:

Too much tech is impossible. Too low of standards isn't.

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** my2keh shudders **

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my2keh:

I miss KM

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cesman:

bbiab

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my2keh:

see ya

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brewmaster:

anyone know how to get schedulesdirect scheduling for a digital channel's sub channels? e.g., i get PBS 33.1, 33.2, 33.3, 33.4, but only have listings for 33.2...

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sphery:

brewmaster: sounds like you chose the wrong provider

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sphery:

I have PBS channels 24.1 – 24.5 and all have listings through SD

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cesman:

brewmaster: there is a wiki entry on optimizing MythTV

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brewmaster:

cesman, yeah, i've seen that

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brewmaster:

no luck

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brewmaster:

though i didn't try everything on the page...

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cesman:

then, you cannot say no luck ;)

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cesman:

the easiest thing would be to use XvMC

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sphery:

brewmaster: change your playback profile group to (the default configuration of) Slim

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cesman:

then, the video card would do the heavy lifting, but that only works for MPEG2

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my2keh:

what out for Slim!

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sphery:

brewmaster: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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brewmaster:

o

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brewmaster:

i've tried all that

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brewmaster:

xvmc

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brewmaster:

slim

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brewmaster:

cpu--

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sphery:

Slim is basically the MythTV 0.20 software decoding configuration. It should work on your CPU without issue.

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sphery:

Slim is the "use my CPU for all decoding" version, so the opposite of CPU--

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sphery:

Normal (the one that's supposed to be default) and CPU++ (the one that actually turns out to be default on most/all systems) try to take advantage of stuff that only works with perfectly-configured systems (with certain hardware/drivers).

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sphery:

Slim is generally best.

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my2keh:

but slim has quartz in it

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sphery:

Actually, it doesn't, but even if it did, it wouldn't use it because you're not on a mac

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sphery:

Normal has quartz

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sphery:

High Quality has quartz

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sphery:

Oh, wait, there is quartz in slim

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my2keh:

yeah

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sphery:

but, it doesn't use it (because it's not available)

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my2keh:

true

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sphery:

If it really bugs you, though, you can always delete those 2 profiles from the group

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my2keh:

makes no diff to me

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sphery:

Actually, all of the new ones and CPU++ both have quartz rendering defined so that all examples except the "old" CPU+ and CPU-- ones work on Linux and Mac.

[23:01:18]

brewmaster:

sphery, slim chops out every few seconds

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sphery:

on LiveTV?

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brewmaster:

yep

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sphery:

or have you tried it with a recorded show

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brewmaster:

no, just tried with livetv

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brewmaster:

i can hear it hiccuping from here ;)

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sphery:

(can even use the recordings you created with LiveTV, but play them back as recordings to see if it works)

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brewmaster:

sec

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sphery:

brewmaster: If it also has issues on Slim, then the problem is almost certainly either I/O related (NFS/CIFS settings or lack of DMA on HDD's or something) or drivers (most people find that NVIDIA drivers installed from any "package" won't work properly, and only installing with the NVIDIA installer causes them to work) or just because you're on the edge of having enough CPU. If the latter, you can work around the problem with ...

[23:04:50]

sphery:

... XvMC, but to do so you need properly installed video drivers.

[23:05:02]

sphery:

Not saying that envy-whatever doesn't work as I haven't tried it, but...

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clever:

i was running on a 40 wire ide ribbon for over a year without even knowing it

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clever:

i just assumed the mobo was shit slow:P

[23:06:16]

sphery:

yeah, that could cause some I/O issues. :)

[23:06:26]

clever:

swap&root where on the 40 bus

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sphery:

I have about 100 40-wire IDE cables and haven't found a good use for them...

[23:06:56]

clever:

ive now put a 80 on there and replaced a 80g with a 320g drive

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clever:

and then i put the 80g in a usb enclosure on another system and used nbd to reassemble the lvm array

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sphery:

So, you were probably getting UDMA/33 out of that, right?

[23:07:32]

sphery:

Or does it go all the way back to PIO or something?

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clever:

10mb/10mb for the 2 drives on the primary bus(with 40)

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clever:

40/40 on the 2 drives that had 80

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sphery:

Yeah, it looks like even UDMA/33 requires 80-wire.

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clever:

not shure what my usb enclosure is using internaly

[23:09:20]

clever:

it doesnt have 80 wires

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** cesman _really_ needs to catch up on Heroes **

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clever:

but the ide connector is soldered directly on the ide<->usb interface board so it may not need the extra gnd lines

[23:09:50]

Dagmar:

I could have sworn we covered this two weeks ago.

[23:10:01]

clever:

Dagmar: my ide problem?

[23:10:01]

Dagmar:

*ALL* UDMA will require an 80-pin IDE cable.

[23:10:14]

sphery:

cesman: after you do, you'll find it wasn't so critical. :) (The whole writer's strike kind of took the fun out of the season.)

[23:10:35]

clever:

and i got 3 80 cables last week so i can fix everything up

[23:11:17]

sphery:

I helped a friend fix his HDD problem on his Myth box. All it took was a $300 80-wire IDE cable.

[23:11:41]

clever:

i got mine from a large bin of random computer parts

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clever:

5$ each:P

[23:11:54]

sphery:

(looked like a failed HDD, so he got a new HDD before they became cheap and it turned out it was just the cable that was bad)

[23:11:56]

clever:

just took 10mins of digging

[23:12:36]

sphery:

Don't exactly know how an IDE cable goes bad without physical abuse, but...

[23:12:50]

sphery:

Perhaps it was all the mental torment over the years.

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clever:

lol

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gbee:

when did 80-wire cables cost £600?

[23:13:02]

clever:

overheat and melt maybe?

[23:13:38]

gbee:

or is there a decimal point missing there? :)

[23:13:59]

sphery:

gbee: actually, he bought a 300GB HDD (which, at the time was $300) and it came with a cable, which was the only part he needed.

[23:14:15]

gbee:

heh

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sphery:

ended up using both, but it's more fun to think of it as a $300 cable

[23:16:28]

gbee:

btw I somehow got that conversion back to front in my mind – $300 = £150, not £600

[23:16:44]

gbee:

but 80-pin cables have still never cost £150 :p

[23:16:56]

sphery:

I was hoping you didn't realize that. I was going to see if you could change a few $ for me...

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brewmaster:

sphery, recorded tv has the same problem...

[23:18:09]

brewmaster:

i guess i'll uninstall / reinstall my nvidia drivers

[23:18:22]

sphery:

brewmaster: then I would guess it's the I/O or driver issues I mentioned as you stepped away.

[23:18:39]

sphery:

But, on the bright side, you can be reasonably certain that it's not a playback profile issue. :)

[23:18:47]

brewmaster:

heh

[23:19:01]

brewmaster:

i'm pretty sure i have dma

[23:19:07]

sphery:

(reasonably certain means as much as you trust me, who believes it's completely certain)

[23:19:14]

brewmaster:

(my box is not from a museum)

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clever:

one of my boxes actualy did come from a museum!

[23:19:39]

clever:

it was out at the end of the driveway:P

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clever:

486 sx!

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sphery:

brewmaster: BTW, we are talking about MPEG-2, right. The MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) wouldn't work on your CPU.

[23:21:16]

brewmaster:

sphery, i'm not sure what i'm talking about

[23:21:29]

brewmaster:

i'm new to all this capture card stuff

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brewmaster:

i know that if i go to a 'regular' ota-dtv channel, i have no problems

[23:22:07]

brewmaster:

but if i go to a channel with the 'hd' in the bottom corner, it's choppy

[23:22:28]

brewmaster:

whether one is mpeg-2 and the other is h.264, i haven't a clue

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sphery:

and you /are/ using the digital side of the capture card, right--not the analog side?

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brewmaster:

yes

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sphery:

and since TTBOMK, the pcHDTV HD-5500 is ATSC, only, it must be MPEG-2 (so it should work for you)

[23:23:46]

sphery:

I'd recommend the driver thing. And, I'd suspect the envy thing for making the drivers not work as well as they should.

[23:23:55]

sphery:

but only because I've never used it.

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brewmaster:

sphery, thanks for your help

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brewmaster:

now, about that SD thing...

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brewmaster:

do they explicitly list the sub-channels?

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brewmaster:

cause all the lists i'm creating, they don't

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sphery:

when I selected the channels to add to my lineup, they were all there.

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brewmaster:

whether i choose broadcasting or cable...

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sphery:

Note, though, they only provide what's provided to them, so if your local channels don't give TMS info...

[23:28:33]

sphery:

But, make sure you select the OTA digital provider, not the OTA analog

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brewmaster:

yeah, i only see "Local broadcast listings – Antenna"

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brewmaster:

the rest is all cable / satellite

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sphery:

Yeah, was just checking, myself, and I see the same.

[23:30:14]

sphery:

And, that's what I selected.

[23:30:26]

brewmaster:

maybe it's anti-canadian :P

[23:30:51]

sphery:

Probably TMS just isn't getting more info from your broadcasters.

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sphery:

My lineup: http://pastebin.ca/1165349

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sphery:

Notice the WMFEDT[1–5]

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sphery:

etc.

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sphery:

Maybe they'll start getting them in the future. Until then, your best bet may be to ask others in your area what they're using. Might get more responses on the mythtv-users mailing list, though.

[23:34:34]

brewmaster:

yeah, that's the lineup i would like

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brewmaster:

interesting...

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brewmaster:

i entered a random zip code from burlington, vt

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brewmaster:

and now i see the sub channels.

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brewmaster:

okay, gotta go re-install some video drivers

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sphery:

good luck

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mrice:

Is anybody here using the HDHomeRun?

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