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Wednesday, August 6th, 2008, 00:01 UTC
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[00:17:58] my2keh: Would there be a reason why I can play a wav through aplay, but not hear sound in myth?
[00:18:03] my2keh: I have it set to /dev/dsp
[00:18:16] my2keh: and I do aplay startup3.wav
[00:19:16] strex-work: my2keh: omg.. are you still here and having problems with your audio..
[00:19:45] my2keh: well I finally got video
[00:19:49] my2keh: and I've given up on spdif
[00:19:54] strex-work: my2keh: you had video??
[00:19:58] my2keh: heh
[00:20:00] my2keh: I have video
[00:20:02] my2keh: yes
[00:20:12] my2keh: I can record stuff and even play it back on my monitor
[00:20:23] my2keh: I'm persistent :)
[00:20:29] strex-work: my2keh: so what's the problem now?
[00:20:39] my2keh: since i've given up on spdif
[00:20:52] my2keh: I just want a regular audio cable (1/8 -> RCA) to work
[00:20:54] strex-work: my2keh: did you finally just run another cable..
[00:20:58] my2keh: I can aplay a wav
[00:21:01] my2keh: strex-work>> yes
[00:21:56] my2keh: but when I play a video in myth
[00:21:59] my2keh: I don't get sound
[00:22:12] strex-work: my2keh: define play a video..
[00:22:35] my2keh: MythTV -> Watch Recordings -> Play
[00:22:48] strex-work: my2keh: so your playing a recording..
[00:22:55] strex-work: my2keh: how was that recording created?
[00:23:02] my2keh: yes, a recording
[00:23:08] my2keh: recorded from the program guide
[00:23:17] strex-work: my2keh: Via WHAT??
[00:23:22] my2keh: DVB
[00:23:39] strex-work: my2keh: ok... what kind of tuner card??
[00:23:48] my2keh: uhh Twinhan 1020a
[00:24:13] strex-work: my2keh: ok, how does that tuner handle encoding video / audio?
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[00:24:58] my2keh: umm no clue? I basically plug COAX from sat into dvb card
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[00:26:18] strex-work: my2keh: do you know if the card has an onboard encoder on it? also do you know how it handles the audio?
[00:26:33] my2keh: i think it does, but no idea
[00:26:48] strex-work: my2keh: ok, do you have another machine that can play a video file (and audio)?
[00:27:02] my2keh: yes
[00:27:14] my2keh: but do you want me to play one of my recordings?
[00:28:23] strex-work: my2keh: I want you to copy one of your recordings to the other machine and play it there, to make sure you have audio and everything works ok. You can either copy it via ssh/scp or mythweb doesn't really matter.. just need to make sure you have audio and video..
[00:29:16] my2keh: k
[00:29:28] strex-work: my2keh: you could also do it via command line and even if it doesn't play you should still see it saying something like decoding video signal & decoding audio signal.. etc..
[00:29:37] my2keh: don't I need codecs or something on my machine?
[00:29:53] strex-work: my2keh: what format are the files in?
[00:29:59] strex-work: my2keh: err extension..
[00:30:01] my2keh: .mpg
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[00:30:22] strex-work: my2keh: almost any linux/win box will play a .mpg without a problem.
[00:30:42] strex-work: my2keh: if not, you've got bigger problems :p
[00:31:02] my2keh: I'm assuming I've got bigger problems ;)
[00:33:41] my2keh: hmm the video plays fine on mythtv (ie I can see video)
[00:33:49] my2keh: but media player says it can't play it
[00:34:22] strex-work: my2keh: how are you accessing this mythtv box?
[00:34:32] my2keh: windvd plays it fine though, one sec
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[00:34:47] my2keh: ok, there is audio
[00:34:48] my2keh: confirmed
[00:35:31] strex-work: my2keh: alright, so now we know the .mpg contains audio/video like it should. So the problem just exists on the mythtv box..
[00:36:04] strex-work: my2keh: have you gone through the mythtv setup / audio options?
[00:36:32] my2keh: yup
[00:36:36] my2keh: points to /dev/dsp
[00:36:39] my2keh: audio is cranked
[00:36:43] my2keh: alsamixer is cranked
[00:36:53] strex-work: my2keh: what other options do you have in the dropdown..?
[00:36:59] strex-work: my2keh: besides dsp?
[00:38:09] my2keh: ARTS:, NULL, ALSA:default, ALSA:spdif, ALSA:surround51, ALSA:analog, ALSA:digital, ALSA:mixed-analog,ALSA:mixed-digital
[00:38:13] my2keh: and /dev/dsp
[00:38:25] strex-work: my2keh: try ALSA:default
[00:38:55] strex-work: my2keh: then try and watch a recording again, because we know your recordings are both audio/video..
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[00:40:48] my2keh: ok sec
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[00:45:04] strex-work: brb..
[00:45:13] my2keh: ok this is wack
[00:45:23] my2keh: if I launch myth as my user, no sound
[00:45:27] my2keh: if I launch myth as root
[00:45:28] my2keh: sound
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[00:46:01] my2keh: crw-rw----+ 1 root root 14, 3 2008-08–05 19:57 /dev/dsp
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[00:49:12] Dagmar: W00t! Upgrade to 18076 complete.
[00:49:24] Dagmar: Hopefully this will fix my weird editor issue
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[00:49:47] Dagmar: my2keh: Isn't it a little obvious from looking at the file permissions?
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[00:51:22] my2keh: uhh huh
[00:51:32] my2keh: missing an rw ?
[00:51:55] Dagmar: Yep, or what would probably be easier to deal with would be to just change the group on that to something you can use
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[00:59:00] strex-work: my2keh: there ya go..
[01:00:18] strex-work: my2keh: like Dagmar said, if you chgrp on /dev/dsp to something like operator and put the mythtv user in that group that should work..
[01:01:37] my2keh: operator isn't a valid group?
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[01:02:28] strex-work: my2keh: check your /etc/groups file..
[01:03:12] strex-work: my2keh: or you could just type 'man group' for more info..
[01:03:16] Dagmar: Dude, as the user you are running mythTV as, type `id`. That'll tell you what groups that accoount is a part of.
[01:03:17] my2keh: yeah I'm adding it to wheel
[01:04:30] Dagmar: If this is just being used as an appliance, screw bothering with adding hte user to a group
[01:04:38] Dagmar: You're probably already in something called 'users'. Just use that one.
[01:05:34] strex-work: my2keh: type this "chgrp users /dev/dsp"
[01:06:11] Dagmar: LOL mars missions
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[01:10:49] my2keh: sorry back
[01:12:07] my2keh: changing the group to users didn't work?
[01:13:10] strex-work: my2keh: type this: "ls -hal /dev/dsp" and paste the output here..
[01:13:30] my2keh: [root@mythtv dev]# ls -hal /dev/dsp
[01:13:30] my2keh: crwxrwxrwx+ 1 root users 14, 3 2008-08–05 19:57 /dev/dsp
[01:13:49] Dagmar: It should work now..
[01:14:02] Dagmar: You completely screwed up what would have been a simple fix, but hey it should definitely work now
[01:14:14] strex-work: Dagmar: LOL..
[01:14:27] my2keh: yes, but it doesn't
[01:14:46] Dagmar: THat's because you basically need to do this: chgrp users /dev/audio/*
[01:14:57] Dagmar: The /dev/dsp link is just some legacy device entries for OSS stuff.
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[01:15:37] my2keh: nope
[01:15:51] my2keh: [root@mythtv dev]# ls -l /dev/audio*
[01:15:51] my2keh: crw-rw----+ 1 root users 14, 4 2008-08–05 19:57 /dev/audio
[01:15:53] strex-work: my2keh: also, login as the mythtv user and type: "groups"
[01:16:18] Dagmar: *pfft* In the frontend config menus, what did you tell it the audio device was called?
[01:16:31] Dagmar: Hint: It should be "ALSA:default"
[01:16:38] strex-work: Dagmar: it is..
[01:17:17] my2keh: Yes, it is
[01:17:31] my2keh: [bjatkin@mythtv ~]$ groups
[01:17:31] my2keh: bjatkin
[01:17:51] ** strex-work pounds head on keyboard. **
[01:18:00] ajh: Try the desk, less flex.
[01:18:08] my2keh: i don't think my mythtv launchs as mythtv user?
[01:18:20] my2keh: I sense frustration heh
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[01:19:04] ** my2keh ducks **
[01:19:15] Dagmar: Whose distribution are you using?
[01:19:26] strex-work: Dagmar: lol.
[01:19:33] my2keh: Fedora 9
[01:19:46] Dagmar: So what did you tell MythTV the audio device was?
[01:20:10] my2keh: ALSA:default
[01:20:42] Dagmar: I'm noticing now I don't even *have* a /dev/dsp or /dev/audio/* set of stuff, so clearly the OSS legacy stuff isn't loading. Heh
[01:20:48] strex-work: my2keh: google 'fedora add user to group' and read the first link..
[01:21:41] strex-work: my2keh: especially the part about "add a user to a group"...
[01:22:45] my2keh: k sec
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[01:25:04] my2keh: so I did: [root@mythtv bjatkin]# /usr/sbin/usermod -a -G users bjatkin
[01:25:14] my2keh: but yet:
[01:25:16] my2keh: [bjatkin@mythtv ~]$ groups
[01:25:16] my2keh: bjatkin
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[01:25:45] strex-work: my2keh: did you logout and log back in?
[01:26:28] strex-work: I take that as a no.
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[01:28:03] my2keh: heh
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[01:29:15] my2keh: doing so now
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[01:29:56] my2keh: still nothing, ugh
[01:29:58] my2keh: [bjatkin@mythtv ~]$ groups
[01:29:58] my2keh: bjatkin users
[01:30:23] Dagmar: So, what happens when you run `speaker-test -c 2 -t wav`
[01:30:47] Dagmar: If you don't hear some chick saying "Left Speaker... Right Speaker..." you should ask 'em in #Fedora about your sound because it's broken
[01:30:56] Dagmar: ...running that AS the mythtv user
[01:31:52] my2keh: Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
[01:31:53] my2keh: WAV file(s)
[01:31:53] my2keh: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[01:31:53] my2keh: Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[01:31:53] my2keh: hmm
[01:32:10] Dagmar: Okay, so your sound doesn't work at the OS level.
[01:32:18] my2keh: but if I su root
[01:32:19] my2keh: it works
[01:32:32] Dagmar: Either way, there's nothing wrong with Myth
[01:32:44] my2keh: point taken.
[01:32:45] my2keh: thanks
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[01:33:02] Dagmar: I've got no idea what bizarre-o things they've got going on with sound
[01:33:18] my2keh: you and me both
[01:36:34] my2keh: their answer: one eyed, one horned flying purple people eater
[01:36:36] my2keh: lol
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[01:54:01] Shadow__X: wake up everyone
[01:56:32] my2keh: ppfft
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[01:58:33] Shadow__X: hi
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[01:59:06] my2keh: yo
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[02:04:32] Cyberai: I know this is a total newb question, but I can't find the answer with google etc to save my life! Can anyone tell me where the setting is in my backend to change to allow a remote frontend to connect?
[02:04:56] Shadow__X: it should be number 1 on mythbackend setup
[02:05:06] Shadow__X: its where you see 127.0.0.1
[02:05:14] Shadow__X: if you read the setup slowly it will be there
[02:05:17] Cyberai: hmmm ok, let me go look, hold on
[02:05:26] Shadow__X: you need to enter the ip of that machine
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[02:06:46] Cyberai: wait, are you speaking of the setting in the new frontend or the setting on the backend? I'm trying to connect a mythfrontend in my upstairs to an existing backend downstairs. But the frontend says it can't connect even though I have the IP/user/password configured in it.
[02:07:34] Dagmar: So, did you make sure MySQL is allowing _network_ connections?
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[02:08:08] Cyberai: Dagmar, how would I check for that?
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[02:09:41] Dagmar: Look in the /etc/my.cnf for one thing.
[02:09:52] Dagmar: Make sure the token 'skip networking' isn't in there.
[02:09:55] Dagmar: Consult the MySQL docs
[02:10:16] Dagmar: Run `netstat -tunap | grep mysql` and make sure it's listening on a network interface (the usual default is to not)
[02:11:13] Shadow__X: and the setting its in mythbackend as i said ealier Cyberai you can ready
[02:11:16] Shadow__X: rad*
[02:11:19] Cyberai: Dagmar, I got "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2975/mysqld" back. That looks good.
[02:11:20] Shadow__X: read*
[02:11:24] Shadow__X: stupid key board
[02:11:27] Cyberai: lol
[02:16:08] Dagmar: Next you get to verify that the mysql user can login from that IP
[02:16:32] Shadow__X: is a used pvr-350 worth 65 bucks>
[02:16:33] Shadow__X: ?
[02:17:30] Dagmar: Nope.
[02:17:38] Dagmar: You can get a new 150 for that
[02:18:13] Shadow__X: isnt a 350 better and where can you get a new 150 for that
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[02:20:26] wagnerrp: a 350 has an mpeg decoder and video output
[02:21:08] Shadow__X: ah
[02:21:10] wagnerrp: its worthless for anything HD, its of limited use for anything other than mpeg2, and its no longer maintained or really used by anyone
[02:21:23] Shadow__X: hmm alright
[02:21:35] Shadow__X: well if i could get a new 150 for 65 bucks i would buy it
[02:21:42] wagnerrp: basically, its to allow machines <500MHz to decode mpeg2
[02:21:55] Shadow__X: oh ok
[02:21:56] Shadow__X: hmm
[02:22:15] wagnerrp: anything beyond that has enough CPU power to decode it
[02:22:30] Shadow__X: ah alright
[02:22:44] Shadow__X: pegging the cpu at 100 though righ
[02:23:03] wagnerrp: yeah
[02:23:09] Shadow__X: ah ok
[02:23:11] ** sutula tried xris's advice (tried to use the transcoder to change a recorded file to roughly DVD EP quality) and the file size increaded from 1.1G to 1.4G :( **
[02:23:17] wagnerrp: my 1Ghz laptop is about at half load with mythtv
[02:23:37] Shadow__X: my 600 mhz laptop pegs to 100
[02:24:09] wagnerrp: sutula: how long is the file (time) at 1.1GB, what codec are you going from, and to?
[02:24:17] wagnerrp: half hour?
[02:24:21] sutula: 30 minutes
[02:25:13] wagnerrp: that size is about right for mpeg2, youre coming from an analog source?
[02:25:19] sutula: from default PVR-500 (have to look it up to see what it is) to 320x240, aprox 1500kb/s
[02:25:22] wagnerrp: what format are you transcoding to?
[02:26:05] wagnerrp: well 320x240 is DEFINITELY NOT DVD quality
[02:26:11] ** sutula looks it up...I was trying for the equivalent of ffmpeg -v0 -i "$FILENAME" -r ntsc -target dvd -b 1526k -s 352x240 **
[02:26:16] wagnerrp: of course youre not going to get DVD quality off a 500 anyway
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[02:26:21] ** sutula nods **
[02:26:32] wagnerrp: you want this playable in a dvd player?
[02:26:35] sutula: wagnerrp: Kid shows, just trying to get a handle on space
[02:26:58] sutula: wagnerrp: I was thinking as long as I'm spending CPU to transcode, put it in a format that I can directly burn
[02:27:06] Shadow__X: how much is a pvr-500
[02:27:08] ** sutula has no idea if that's good logic or not **
[02:27:18] Shadow__X: Dagmar, where have you found a 150 for 65
[02:27:19] sutula: Shadow__X: $130, if you can find one
[02:27:40] Shadow__X: hmm
[02:27:50] Shadow__X: not worth it for me rather do hvr-1600
[02:28:04] wagnerrp: well the output from a 500 is almost ready to be burned
[02:28:16] ** sutula got a used one for $110 on eBay recently, but sans extra input connector/board **
[02:28:35] wagnerrp: a good mpeg at that resolution would probably be ~150MB
[02:29:00] sutula: wagnerrp: Yes, but for this type of stuff, about .3G for 30 minutes is more suitable
[02:29:18] Cyberai: OK Dagmar & Shadow__X  – I ran frontend from a terminal and it does connect because i get the message "Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.201". But when I try to watch a recording or LIveTV I get "Connection timed out". I did go into the backend and set the master server IP to the broadcast IP of the backend instead of 127.0.0.1. Any ideas?
[02:29:53] sutula: wagnerrp: Regardless, my problem seems to be that I can't figure out how to set up the transcode profiles. Probably, it took a look at the input and ignored what I told it for output or some such thing
[02:30:06] Shadow__X: Cyberai, as i have said earlier
[02:30:07] Lynet: To the BROADCAST ip? O.o
[02:30:15] Shadow__X: go into the mythtbackend setup
[02:30:21] Shadow__X: and in step one
[02:30:29] Shadow__X: read it
[02:30:42] Shadow__X: you have to change from 127.0.0.1 to the ip of that machine
[02:30:56] wagnerrp: broadcast being 192.168.255.255?
[02:31:07] wagnerrp: maybe 192.168.1.255?
[02:31:08] ** sutula gets dragged off but will be back later **
[02:31:20] wagnerrp: ive never used mythtranscode
[02:31:38] Cyberai: Shadow__X, I did. But are you referring to the setting "IP address for localhost.localdomain:"? or to "Master Server IP address:"?
[02:32:36] Shadow__X: change both of those to the lan ip
[02:32:40] Cyberai: ah
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[02:35:04] Shadow__X: mhm
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[02:41:10] wagnerrp: i just saw an ad on the local cable co, claiming 'you cant get faster speeds...' (with anyone else)
[02:41:22] wagnerrp: they showed a video of explorer downloading at 250KB/s
[02:41:38] wagnerrp: ive had better than that with the phone company for 3 years now
[02:41:54] wagnerrp: the cable company actually claims 5x that speed
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[02:46:21] Shadow__X: lol
[02:46:22] Shadow__X: hmm
[02:46:29] Shadow__X: what speed are you getting and where are you
[02:46:46] wh0Dat_: why would my remote frontend not have Watch Videos or Listen to Music, etc.. just Watch Recordings.. under media libary?
[02:46:59] Dagmar: Depending on what your'e downloading, cable can actually be as fast as it claims
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[02:47:13] wagnerrp: best ive seen are 560KBps/105KBps
[02:47:14] Dagmar: Comcast either has a thing going with Valve, or they're doing some serious torrent action int he background
[02:47:33] Dagmar: Half the time the things I get through Valve are coming down at damn near wire speeds
[02:47:59] wagnerrp: yeah, i always get over 500KBps from valve
[02:48:24] Shadow__X: hmm using downthemall i can max out my connection and get 16000KBps
[02:48:27] my2keh: la la la
[02:48:31] Shadow__X: 16Mbps
[02:48:34] Shadow__X: i like that better
[02:48:39] Shadow__X: or 2MB/sec
[02:48:40] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: i highly doubt that
[02:48:52] Shadow__X: highly doubt what
[02:49:04] wagnerrp: your connection is rated at 128Mbps
[02:49:11] Shadow__X: man i had this debate with iamlimdoro aready
[02:49:22] Shadow__X: oh no i typed it wrong
[02:49:29] wagnerrp: right...
[02:49:31] Shadow__X: i do hit 2MB/sec
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[02:49:41] wagnerrp: i can believe that
[02:49:48] Shadow__X: i have comcast blast
[02:50:32] Shadow__X: yeah sorry i said it wrong
[02:50:46] wagnerrp: is scifi hurting for money? whats with the Degree sponsorship of Eureka?
[02:51:01] Shadow__X: 1600KBps would be correct then
[02:51:20] wagnerrp: 16000Kbps would be correct
[02:51:48] Shadow__X: ah alright
[02:52:13] Dagmar: Oh I'm *so* sure there'll be more than just that. Hehe
[02:52:16] Dagmar: wrong chan
[02:52:37] Shadow__X: hmm
[02:58:01] Dagmar: wagnerrp: I'm not entirely sure, but it's pretty borderline
[02:58:15] Dagmar: I don't much care for the somewhat hamfisted inclusion of this stuff
[02:58:27] Dagmar: ...and frankly, I think the commercials are bad.
[02:58:41] Dagmar: No one in Eureka would call any of their stuff "over-engineered"
[02:59:51] Dagmar: I don't know how much of Comcast "Blast" is hype and how much is just "The marketing people aren't bright enough to understand any more clearly than that" but at first glance my upstream appears faster from the dual-docsis upgrade
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[03:00:07] my2keh: WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:02:24] Shadow__X: dual docsis upgrade?
[03:02:27] Shadow__X: like 1.1 to 2?
[03:02:43] Dagmar: yeah, they did some firmware change that allows it to use two upstream and two downstream channels at the same time
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[03:02:59] Dagmar: Or at least, that's what they're telling me
[03:02:59] Shadow__X: i had the regular 6Mb service and blast was a big jump
[03:03:00] Shadow__X: hmm
[03:03:10] Shadow__X: whats your download and upload now
[03:04:25] Shadow__X: my uploads are around 3Mbps
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[03:06:11] Dagmar: yep.
[03:06:20] Dagmar: I've no idea what my download is.
[03:06:32] Dagmar: Mainly it's usually faster than many sites can send at
[03:06:54] Dagmar: My upstream _this evening_ has been varying between 128K and 400K
[03:07:05] Dagmar: it used to top out at 40K-ish
[03:07:10] Shadow__X: hmm
[03:07:56] Shadow__X: speakeasy.net/speedtest
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[03:10:35] c4t3l: does anyone know if mythtvosd can be installed on non-mythtv running machines
[03:11:05] Dagmar: It might be able to
[03:11:18] Dagmar: Whether it will do anything useful is another question
[03:11:23] wagnerrp: i thought the OSD only worked on top of the internal player
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[03:11:55] c4t3l: I would like is for my other machines to be able to send msgs to my TV through mythosd
[03:12:14] Shadow__X: messages?
[03:12:23] Dagmar: OH
[03:12:31] Dagmar: Oh yeah the sender will work on pretty much anything
[03:12:38] Dagmar: That shouldn't be a problem at all
[03:12:44] c4t3l: yeah, like nerd messages (out of disk space and the like)
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[03:13:19] Shadow__X: Dagmar, the sender?
[03:13:37] Dagmar: Yes, as in "that which sends"
[03:14:10] Shadow__X: ah how would you send a msg to a frontend osd?
[03:14:35] Dagmar: By reading the documentation
[03:15:42] c4t3l: i would like to connect a (remote) client to the mythtv sys prefferably without ssh. I started working on a socket client in c
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[03:17:37] Dagmar: You don't have to go to that kind of trouble
[03:17:58] Dagmar: Drat too last
[03:18:02] Dagmar: s/last/late/;
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[03:19:50] ** GreyFoxx installs his first ubuntu machine and feels .... unclean hehe **
[03:19:57] my2keh: dirty
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[03:20:02] GreyFoxx: hehe
[03:20:04] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: [ot] ugh... looks like my myth box was comprimised... it's off the net now...
[03:20:18] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: Dude, imagine how I felt with all the Dropline GNOME work I do
[03:20:27] Dagmar: jeffa: No firewall"?
[03:20:45] Dagmar: GreyFoxx: I was a little pissed off that Compiz worked out of the box
[03:20:52] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: I've got a firewalled router, but apparently that wasn't enough..
[03:21:01] GreyFoxx: I'm gonna use it as a dev environment for me n810, so it should be interesting
[03:21:12] wagnerrp: they hit mythweb?
[03:21:16] Dagmar: JeffA: You had some tunnels pointing back in?
[03:21:19] wagnerrp: or what did you actually have open?
[03:21:30] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: Yep.
[03:21:46] Dagmar: Lame ssh password?
[03:22:24] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: No, not really...
[03:22:56] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: Mixed case, letters, numbers...
[03:24:05] Dagmar: So, what makes you think the box was compromised?
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[03:26:04] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: Well, system was very unresponsive, and wouldn't shut down. Uptime showed it up for 20 days, with the counters at 208/208/208... not good... And now that I've re-booted, I can't log in...
[03:26:26] Dagmar: Hmm... That could be filesystem failure
[03:26:31] wagnerrp: 208... threads?
[03:26:35] Dagmar: ...or disk failure for that matter.
[03:26:48] wagnerrp: 208 active threads?
[03:26:56] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: Nah, I checked the disks and raid before I shut it down...
[03:27:09] Dagmar: Or just, really bad system design coupled with (dum-dum-DUM) google spidering all those non-idempotent links in MythWeb
[03:27:51] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: wagnerrp: I forget what they're called at the moment... wait time, busy time, umm...
[03:28:01] wagnerrp: load averages
[03:28:07] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Dagmar: Well, perhaps, but I would have been able to login after reboot then...
[03:28:21] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: ^^^ there ya go... the load averages were 208/208/208... not good!
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[03:28:40] wagnerrp: i assume this means youre currently remote, so you dont have local access
[03:28:48] Dagmar: J-e-f-f-A: One of the ways MythWeb can really, spectacularly fail, is when Google gets ahold of it.
[03:28:59] Dagmar: Imagine you clicked on every link in the program guide, AT ONCE.
[03:29:31] H3: I'm having issues with transcoding...my 1 hr recordings go from 3 gb to 3gb, lol. do I need to change the default settings?
[03:29:32] Dagmar: If your apache isn't set to a small number of threads, and/or you don't have an absoltely pornographic amount of RAM, this can go bad in a hurry
[03:29:42] H3: from what I remember it just worked last time I set it up
[03:29:50] Dagmar: H3: Perhaps if you used one that wasn't the lossless one
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[03:30:14] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: wagnerrp: Nope, I'm at home, in front of the box now. I've unplugged it from the network... I'm about 98% sure it was comprimised... I disabled my dyndns update and rebooted my router too...
[03:30:45] H3: oh, should i check the "lossless transcoding" box?
[03:31:01] Dagmar: No, you should actually look at what you've got the transcoding profiles configured to _do_
[03:32:36] wagnerrp: has anyone here used zoneminder?
[03:33:18] Dagmar: One of my more lunatic co-workers does.
[03:33:31] Dagmar: There are prisons with less night-vision surveillance than this guy.
[03:33:52] wagnerrp: after the recent teepeeing this morning, i am looking into putting a camera or two on the house
[03:34:11] Dagmar: Like, okay, for one example, his next-door neighbor had someone go into their garage and steal their lawnmower.
[03:34:30] wagnerrp: anyway, ive got a linksys running ddwrt in the front room
[03:34:36] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel just pointed his dynamic dns entries to the FBI, maybe the *flocker* will get arrested for hacking them... **
[03:34:39] Dagmar: This dude got the licence plate _readably_ off the cam pointing away from his house down the street.
[03:34:40] wagnerrp: i can hack on a usb port to it
[03:34:45] Dagmar: ...at 4am.
[03:34:51] wagnerrp: and stick a usb cam on it
[03:34:51] Dagmar: ...without streetlights help.
[03:35:11] wagnerrp: but im wondering if there would be any mechanism for zoneminder to access that cam
[03:35:18] wagnerrp: who the fuck steals a lawn mower
[03:35:26] Dagmar: j-e-f-f-a: If he's using your dyndns entries, which is highly unlikely
[03:35:42] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Crackheads looking to make a quick $15–20
[03:36:14] wagnerrp: there wasnt anything better in the garage to steal?
[03:36:27] Dagmar: He's got those "semi-discrete" night-vision capable cameras up. The ones with about 60 IR LEDS around them
[03:36:28] wagnerrp: its a detached garage with no access to the house?
[03:36:41] Dagmar: Normal garage, facing the street and all that
[03:37:01] Dagmar: It was open about a foot and a half, and the losers saw the lawnmower, stopped, got out, took it, and drove off.
[03:37:18] wagnerrp: so the guy effectively broke into the house, and all they stole was a lawn mower
[03:37:24] Dagmar: >..and yes, when the cops talked to him they saw the rest of his rig and _did_ openly ask if he had some problems.
[03:37:37] Dagmar: wagnerrp: They're light, and portable, and have resale value.
[03:37:37] wagnerrp: heh, there is that too
[03:38:05] Dagmar: One of the garbage men had an accident with a truck rolling over his foot.
[03:38:22] Dagmar: He provided footage proving that it was indeed an accident that happened on the job.
[03:38:25] Dagmar: ...with sound.
[03:38:51] Dagmar: I'm like, "Why do you need to have every square inch of the outside of your house and most of your street on camera?"
[03:38:59] wagnerrp: garbage man buy him a beer?
[03:39:11] Dagmar: I don't know about that but I'll bet he was thankful
[03:39:51] Dagmar: I'm paranoid, but mainly I jsut keep a very low profile as a result.
[03:40:19] Dagmar: This dude, I think he has a fetish basically.
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[03:41:59] wagnerrp: can you push v4l devices over the network?
[03:42:24] Dagmar: Not usefullly.
[03:42:32] Dagmar: ioctls don't work so well over NFS.
[03:43:03] wagnerrp: maybe i could just have it upload an image every few seconds
[03:43:14] wagnerrp: assuming any of this would even fit in the memory limitations
[03:43:14] Dagmar: That you could do
[03:44:36] wagnerrp: ive got an GSv2, so 32MB of memory, 8MB flash
[03:44:36] wagnerrp: assuming i want to risk trashing it with a USB mod
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[03:49:36] ** sutula gets back to his question: Does anyone know how to get the database updated after a user job changes (converts) a file? No luck with executing 'mythcommflag -f "$FILENAME" --rebuild' or 'mythtranscode -i "$FILENAME" --buildindex' as part of the job script **
[03:50:05] sutula: The file size has not been updated, and I'm not sure what else needs updating
[03:50:49] wagnerrp: well i thought people had added USB ports to those things, but it seems to be limited to SD cards and serial ports
[03:51:00] wagnerrp: well thats out...
[03:51:41] wagnerrp: ive got a pair of machine about 10' away in the basement, but i would need a camera that supports freebsd, probably not likely
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[03:56:10] Shadow__X: Since the software on every Mac is created by the same company that makes the Mac itself, you get a completely integrated computer that’s as secure, stable, and powerful as it is elegant and easy to use.
[03:56:16] Shadow__X: hmm secure and stable huh
[03:56:34] wagnerrp: apple doesnt write the drivers
[03:56:40] ** Shadow__X recalls all the security issues **
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[03:57:17] wagnerrp: and ive heard horror stories of the stability on Macs when you try to do more than browse the web and listen to iTunes
[03:57:22] I3ooI3oo: users are issues on all OSes
[03:57:42] Shadow__X: yeah but there are kernel level flaws
[03:57:56] Shadow__X: yeah i have heard of macs crashing as well
[03:58:11] I3ooI3oo: does mythtv run on KDE4.1 ?
[03:58:25] Dagmar: No
[03:58:36] I3ooI3oo: didn't think so
[03:58:45] Shadow__X: why doesnt it
[03:58:45] I3ooI3oo: just built this box
[03:59:51] Shadow__X: i have to say though i like the look of mac minis
[04:00:01] Shadow__X: although they where designed to get hot
[04:00:20] Shadow__X: budy has one that would normally hit 150 160 F
[04:00:29] Dagmar: Yikes
[04:00:44] Shadow__X: mhm
[04:01:03] Shadow__X: then it would be horrible loud with the fan on
[04:01:03] I3ooI3oo: this pC hit 220 when it was first started (heatsink wasn't correct)
[04:01:16] Shadow__X: yeah but thats your fault
[04:01:23] Shadow__X: apple DESIGNED it that way
[04:02:27] I3ooI3oo: i guess but i blame the fan it didn't seat properly
[04:03:08] I3ooI3oo: brb got to restart X
[04:03:08] Shadow__X: intel 775?
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[04:03:14] I3ooI3oo: yea
[04:03:24] Shadow__X: they are tricky to get seated right
[04:03:24] I3ooI3oo: c2q 2.4
[04:03:35] Shadow__X: i have a q6600
[04:03:41] I3ooI3oo: 2.6
[04:03:49] Shadow__X: no 2.4
[04:03:59] I3ooI3oo: duh same chip
[04:04:03] Shadow__X: 6700 is 2.6
[04:04:05] I3ooI3oo: quad
[04:04:11] Shadow__X: yeah
[04:04:20] Shadow__X: i want a 9450 though
[04:04:21] I3ooI3oo: yeah just got it up and runnig
[04:04:29] I3ooI3oo: yeah but $
[04:04:47] Shadow__X: they arent bad for what your getting
[04:04:59] Shadow__X: they are increadibly faster than our q6600's
[04:05:12] Shadow__X: which reminds me i should get that box backup and running
[04:05:13] Shadow__X: lol
[04:06:04] ** Shadow__X contemplates **
[04:06:10] I3ooI3oo: yeah but for the difference i got another 750gb drive
[04:06:10] Shadow__X: that shuttle has hdmi out
[04:06:31] Shadow__X: does linux fully support intel 3100 now
[04:07:15] I3ooI3oo: don't think so ... I doubt it support my p45 chipset
[04:07:23] I3ooI3oo: fully
[04:07:42] I3ooI3oo: but got to see if this driver works
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[04:10:37] Shadow__X: can i make a current main backend into a secoundairy backend?
[04:11:43] wagnerrp: yes, just change the IP of the primary backend, and restart both
[04:11:57] Shadow__X: hmm seems simple enough
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[04:13:03] Shadow__X: hey wagnerrp you think mythtv will support the hvr-1800 anytime soon
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[04:14:08] wagnerrp: i was under the impression digital support for that card worked just fine
[04:14:09] I3ooI3oo: damn it man
[04:14:50] I3ooI3oo: now it boots to grub only :(
[04:14:58] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, oh yeah digital is fantastic
[04:15:00] Shadow__X: :D
[04:15:04] Shadow__X: i meant analog
[04:16:04] wagnerrp: it will be available soon
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[04:16:19] Shadow__X: sweet
[04:16:30] wagnerrp: the wiki says so, the wiki cannot lie
[04:16:37] Shadow__X: sounds good is there anything i can do to help that
[04:16:46] Shadow__X: the wiki hasnt been updated since last year
[04:16:59] I3ooI3oo: hvr 1800 ?
[04:17:02] Shadow__X: yeah
[04:17:09] Shadow__X: analog works using mplayer or tvtime
[04:17:11] wagnerrp: i dont have an 1800, so i have no idea
[04:17:21] Shadow__X: hauppauge hvr-1800
[04:17:33] I3ooI3oo: yeah ordering one next month
[04:18:43] Shadow__X: i am contemplating getting a hvr-1600
[04:27:31] Shadow__X: hey GreyFoxx hwo do you like the n810
[04:37:29] Shadow__X: I3ooI3oo, analog doesnt work for me in mythtv yet
[04:37:41] Shadow__X: in linux it works just not in mythtv yet
[04:37:45] Shadow__X: digital works fine
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[04:45:08] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel mopes... This sucks.. **
[04:46:58] Shadow__X: is anything working
[04:46:59] Shadow__X: ?
[04:47:46] wagnerrp: apparently trunk works on the n810
[04:48:00] Shadow__X: front end?
[04:48:01] Shadow__X: lol
[04:48:14] Shadow__X: i dont think it has enough power to run a backend
[04:48:29] wagnerrp: there are screenshots of it running the frontend from back in march
[04:48:42] Shadow__X: on mythtv wiki?
[04:48:48] wagnerrp: mythtvnews.com
[04:48:56] wagnerrp: the backend is working as well
[04:49:08] Shadow__X: hmm
[04:49:23] wagnerrp: but having no video inputs, and insufficient power to effectively transcode or commflag, its of little use
[04:49:42] Shadow__X: well for my birthday i plan on buying one of those for myself
[04:49:50] Shadow__X: i would be very happy to have it run a frontend
[04:49:58] Shadow__X: althought it would only beable to do sd
[04:50:01] Shadow__X: right
[04:52:00] wagnerrp: i eventually plan to build a carpc, and i planned the n810 as a controller
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[04:52:14] wagnerrp: well, some form of nokia tablet
[04:52:19] Shadow__X: hmm expensive controller
[04:52:31] wagnerrp: well it wouldnt be only a controller
[04:52:44] wagnerrp: it would detach from the dash and go into my pocket when i parked the car
[04:53:02] Shadow__X: ah ok
[04:53:05] Shadow__X: that works
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[04:53:08] Shadow__X: sounds pretty nice
[04:53:41] wagnerrp: only problem is there would be a lot i would have to write
[04:53:44] Shadow__X: a bud of mine has a n800 and its good
[04:53:50] Shadow__X: so a n810 should be even better
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[04:53:56] Shadow__X: hmm
[04:54:01] Shadow__X: well depends really
[04:54:08] Shadow__X: what do you want the carpc to do
[04:54:25] wagnerrp: at first, play mp3s
[04:54:34] wagnerrp: later, run GPS and maps
[04:54:46] wagnerrp: eventually, tap into my car's diagnostic systems
[04:55:10] Shadow__X: well to run mp3s you can just run mythtv have it runs as a wireless a/p
[04:55:14] Shadow__X: hmm
[04:55:31] Shadow__X: the n810 does all of that itself though
[04:55:32] wagnerrp: i could run mythtv, but that seems overkill
[04:55:41] wagnerrp: i would rather use mpg123 or something
[04:55:44] wagnerrp: command line player
[04:55:56] Shadow__X: you can buy an adapter to have it tap into the car diag
[04:56:02] wagnerrp: thats right
[04:56:13] Shadow__X: honestly you can already do all of those things ON the n800 already
[04:56:24] Shadow__X: why would you need the car pc if you have a n810
[04:56:40] wagnerrp: if i do it on the tablet, i have to have all sorts of wiring connected to it
[04:57:08] wagnerrp: this way, theres nothing visable, aside from possibly power
[04:57:11] Shadow__X: hmm
[04:57:16] Shadow__X: agreed
[04:57:21] Shadow__X: you can have wireless audio though
[04:57:29] Shadow__X: i dont know if it does audio over bluetooth
[04:57:39] Shadow__X: if it does you can stream audio over that to your car audio
[04:57:55] wagnerrp: that is if my car had bluetooth
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[04:58:56] Shadow__X: or you can have a bluetooth to stereo plug
[05:02:06] Shadow__X: i wonder if i use a svn version of mythtv if my hvr-1800 analog would work
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[05:23:31] Shadow__X: hmm comcast is in georgia
[05:23:53] I3ooI3oo: yuck comcast
[05:24:08] ** I3ooI3oo doesn't like ati's driver **
[05:24:18] Shadow__X: i am running ati driver right now
[05:24:20] Shadow__X: whats your issue
[05:24:28] I3ooI3oo: lost my lvm
[05:24:42] I3ooI3oo: don't really know at this point
[05:24:55] Shadow__X: hmm
[05:24:56] I3ooI3oo: system didn't boot after installing
[05:25:14] I3ooI3oo: 3 try got to a repair fs prompt
[05:25:33] Shadow__X: hmm
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[05:27:03] I3ooI3oo: i will go into it more tomarrow
[05:27:12] I3ooI3oo: got to gat to sleep soon
[05:27:23] Shadow__X: gn
[05:27:37] I3ooI3oo: well still installing myth
[05:27:55] I3ooI3oo: so got a few minute but i am not trouble shooting now
[05:27:58] Shadow__X: wellcome nack
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[05:29:36] Shadow__X: new ati drivers are running better on my laptop
[05:31:19] I3ooI3oo: what chipset ?
[05:31:28] Shadow__X: x1400
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[05:31:50] Shadow__X: work pretty well over 100fps with compiz
[05:31:56] Shadow__X: way more than i used to get
[05:31:59] Kodiak: hi there
[05:32:08] Shadow__X: hello
[05:32:08] Kodiak: I was wondering if having scanlines in recorded TV is common
[05:32:23] Shadow__X: analog?
[05:32:25] Kodiak: http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9180/eurekascreenwj9.jpg
[05:32:33] Kodiak: they show up on every recording i have
[05:32:36] Kodiak: but not on live TV
[05:32:39] I3ooI3oo: well like i said the motherbord has PCI 2.0 and other stuff like p45 chipset
[05:32:50] I3ooI3oo: interlacing ?
[05:33:26] Shadow__X: Kodiak, is it analog
[05:33:47] Kodiak: i.e. not digital cable?
[05:33:47] Kodiak: yes
[05:34:20] Shadow__X: thats why is your cable split many ways as it comes in?
[05:34:31] Kodiak: only 2
[05:34:38] Kodiak: wait
[05:34:38] Kodiak: 3
[05:34:52] Kodiak: one to HD recorder, one to SD recorder, one to TV
[05:35:12] Shadow__X: how about cable modem
[05:35:26] Kodiak: completely diff cable
[05:35:49] wagnerrp: you have two separate lines coming off the pole?
[05:36:04] Kodiak: um
[05:36:05] Kodiak: i dont know
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[05:36:23] Kodiak: i doubt it though lol
[05:36:26] wagnerrp: so then the cable modem is probably on the same cable
[05:36:46] Shadow__X: hmm
[05:36:55] Shadow__X: i ahve a sep line going to my modem wagnerrp
[05:37:03] Shadow__X: the signal is that shitty here
[05:37:29] Shadow__X: anyway Kodiak do you lose internet sometimes?
[05:37:36] Kodiak: no
[05:37:38] Shadow__X: and then eventually it comes back?
[05:37:40] Shadow__X: hmm
[05:37:46] Kodiak: my net is stable as hell
[05:37:54] Shadow__X: alright calm down jethro
[05:38:07] wagnerrp: you could have poor grounding
[05:38:25] Kodiak: what i dont understand is why would i see it on recordings
[05:38:27] Kodiak: but not live TV
[05:38:47] wagnerrp: livetv and recordings are done with different profiles, most likely
[05:38:59] wagnerrp: one uses settings that cause those lines to show up
[05:39:31] Kodiak: well
[05:39:42] Kodiak: i dont use the livetv feature on mythtv actually
[05:39:48] Kodiak: i just watch TV thru the TV
[05:40:00] Shadow__X: lol
[05:40:16] Kodiak: i only use mythtv as a recording and video box
[05:40:26] wagnerrp: so the tuner has problems, but the TV does not?
[05:40:32] Kodiak: yeah
[05:40:39] wagnerrp: yeah, i have that problem too
[05:40:46] wagnerrp: get a signal amp
[05:40:52] Shadow__X: is that comingoff the same tuner?
[05:40:58] wagnerrp: put it before any analog devices
[05:41:05] wagnerrp: run your digital devices straight off the line
[05:41:07] Shadow__X: yeah i was going to suggest that i had to get one
[05:41:27] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, i even need to have the amp for my qam tuners
[05:41:30] wagnerrp: i see signal issues in my tuner card and digital tv before they show up on the analog tv
[05:42:00] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: qam tuners are fine, but anything bidirectional cannot be put behind the amp
[05:42:30] Shadow__X: my modem was behind it and so was my hd box
[05:42:43] wagnerrp: upstream, they work in reverse, and drop signal intensity
[05:42:44] Shadow__X: i was having internet issues because my cable is really shitty
[05:42:59] Shadow__X: ah wagnerrp
[05:43:09] wagnerrp: you have to buy a special bidirection amp if you have devices that need upstream
[05:43:13] wagnerrp: theyre rather expensive
[05:43:26] Shadow__X: like 100?
[05:43:32] Shadow__X: or 400
[05:43:35] Shadow__X: what we talking
[05:43:59] wagnerrp: i dont know, i just know theyre considerably more expensive than a decent $30–40 amp
[05:44:10] Shadow__X: hmm yeah
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[05:49:35] Shadow__X: hmm i am having isues watching hd on my new front end
[05:49:46] Shadow__X: vid card ati x1400
[05:50:09] Shadow__X: sd works fine
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[05:56:00] Shadow__X: it start to play a hd recording then just exits the frontend
[05:56:23] wagnerrp: can you play the files through mplayer?
[05:56:50] Shadow__X: about to try that now
[05:57:20] wagnerrp: because the HD recording should be no different than what comes out of a hauppauge card
[05:58:19] Shadow__X: the sd recording isnt using analog hvr
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[05:58:29] Shadow__X: doesnt work for me yet
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[06:01:01] Shadow__X: i am glad to finally be on a laptop with a real cpu though
[06:04:17] wagnerrp: walgreens is offering free film development tomorrow
[06:04:29] wagnerrp: do people actually have film developed anymore?
[06:04:59] Shadow__X: what is this "film" you speak of
[06:05:09] wagnerrp: i imagine about the only people still using 35mm are professionals with their own dark room
[06:05:24] wagnerrp: analog cameras
[06:05:34] Shadow__X: i know i was kidding
[06:05:59] wagnerrp: well sometimes you never know what kids these days will say
[06:06:04] Shadow__X: hey
[06:06:09] Shadow__X: so now i am a kid?
[06:06:15] wagnerrp: i have no idea
[06:06:38] Shadow__X: well i am going to be 20 soon
[06:06:44] Shadow__X: is that a kid in your standards?
[06:07:01] wagnerrp: well youre younger than me
[06:07:07] wagnerrp: not by much though
[06:07:12] Shadow__X: 26?
[06:07:16] wagnerrp: 3
[06:07:19] Shadow__X: ah
[06:07:21] Shadow__X: even closer
[06:08:45] wagnerrp: i have a cousin almost your age, i would still consider him a kid
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[06:08:52] Shadow__X: hmm
[06:08:56] Shadow__X: but does he act like one
[06:09:04] wagnerrp: sometimes
[06:09:22] Shadow__X: i think it refers to more how you act than how old you are
[06:09:25] wagnerrp: more that hes naive
[06:09:41] Shadow__X: ah
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[06:18:33] Shadow__X: hey wagnerrp so mplayer gives me a video error
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[06:19:12] Shadow__X: error opening initializing the selected video out
[06:19:19] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel is hopefully booting up his myth backend clean now... (off the network for now...) **
[06:19:42] Shadow__X: J-e-f-f-A|wintel, what did you have to do
[06:19:44] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel .. Nvidia splash screen is a good sign... **
[06:19:52] wagnerrp: he thought it got compromised
[06:19:59] wagnerrp: hacked
[06:20:02] Shadow__X: yeah i know
[06:20:16] Shadow__X: what i meant was what did he have to do to get it back
[06:20:23] Shadow__X: he said he was locked out from it before
[06:20:31] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Shadow__X: Had to boot up with a Live CD to recover my shadow file... Will change pw's etc when booted, and search for bad stuff...
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[06:21:03] Shadow__X: ah ok
[06:21:19] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A|wintel: all you have to do is modify your grub boot line to add 'init=/bin/sh' or 'init=/bin/bb'
[06:21:38] wagnerrp: then reset your root password, and reboot
[06:21:49] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: I *might* not have been hacked... my system was super-busy with 100's of httpd processes, and I tried to change my passwords. The shadow file in /etc/shadow was completely empty, the saved copy in /etc/shadow- was complete... and not updated since I changed my passwords last...
[06:22:30] Shadow__X: so it could of been what people where saying before about google
[06:22:44] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, what should i do to fix the mplayer issue
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[06:23:03] wagnerrp: what sort of video error?
[06:23:15] wagnerrp: you have mythweb freely open on the internet?
[06:23:25] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Shadow__X: Yeah, I could have had a knee-jerk reaction... Oh well, I could veryify by googling for my mythweb install, right? (or how long does it take to post to google?)
[06:23:44] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: wagnerrp: It's password-protected, but is on the web. and not on the standard 80 port...
[06:23:45] Shadow__X: hmm should be done
[06:23:57] Shadow__X: hmm
[06:23:59] wagnerrp: if its password protected, google cant touch it
[06:24:06] Shadow__X: yeah
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[06:25:47] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Humm... I'll bet it was 'showcenter' then... that was a web-based media server I had running years ago for a Pinnacle Network media player (non-UPnP), and I started to set it up over the weekend... Humm... I'll bet that was it.
[06:26:56] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: ... Either I've got something setup wrong, or there's a major bug in it...
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[06:32:13] wagnerrp: wow! i just got a google server error
[06:32:43] Shadow__X: hmm
[06:33:00] wagnerrp: i think i hit a machine right as it failed
[06:33:18] Shadow__X: error opening initializing the selected video out device
[06:33:22] Shadow__X: good job wagnerrp
[06:33:30] wagnerrp: try '-vo xv'
[06:35:29] wagnerrp: theres some pretty intense lightning outside
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[06:36:30] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: wagnerrp: oh yeah? Where are you?
[06:36:38] wagnerrp: northern ky
[06:36:55] wagnerrp: theres a storm front pushing through the height of kentucky
[06:37:07] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: wagnerrp: Ah... it's raining pretty good here in the Boston area, not much lightning at the moment.
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[06:37:40] wagnerrp: bah, your area is still only dark greens
[06:37:55] jblack: Yeah. It's cats-n-dogs here in Pennsylvania.
[06:38:30] wagnerrp: now pennsylvania does have some nasty shit going through it
[06:38:57] wagnerrp: boston should probably get it in about 4 hours
[06:39:37] Shadow__X: nj?
[06:39:43] J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Yeah, it's supposed to rain all day tomorrow... 90% chance... ;-)
[06:41:48] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel is happy his backend system is back up again... **
[06:42:04] Shadow__X: anyone know why while i am watching a video sometimes it will take abit for the remote to respond
[06:42:15] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel but he's going to have a very hard time getting up in 4–1/2 hours... ouch... **
[06:42:57] ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel heads off to bed finally... **
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[06:43:11] Shadow__X: i want fios
[06:43:17] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, still doing the same thing
[06:43:37] wagnerrp: '-vo x11'?
[06:44:53] Shadow__X: x11 works
[06:45:03] Shadow__X: but play back is laggy and out of sync
[06:45:25] wagnerrp: expected, x11 is no hardware acceleration
[06:45:51] wagnerrp: what about '-vo opengl'
[06:47:14] Shadow__X: no video
[06:47:29] wagnerrp: my guess is your video driver isnt set up properly
[06:47:40] wagnerrp: because xv is not working
[06:47:44] Shadow__X: i am using ati x1400 and fglrx
[06:47:49] Shadow__X: reinstall fglrx
[06:47:51] Shadow__X: ?
[06:47:55] wagnerrp: i dont know what to tell you
[06:48:04] wagnerrp: but '-vo xv' should work
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[06:48:15] wagnerrp: unless for some strange reason, mplayer was compiled without it
[06:48:39] wagnerrp: there is a fair chance it was compiled without opengl
[06:48:52] Shadow__X: hmm
[06:49:00] Shadow__X: what else can i try it with
[06:50:28] wagnerrp: go to the man page, and search for 'video output drivers'
[06:51:38] wagnerrp: its '-vo gl', not opengl
[06:52:02] wagnerrp: ooh, '-vo aa'
[06:52:23] Shadow__X: ah
[06:53:00] wagnerrp: i dont seem to have that one installed
[06:53:07] wagnerrp: pity
[06:54:06] Shadow__X: ascii
[06:54:07] Shadow__X: nice
[06:56:42] Shadow__X: i am on 64bit if that helps
[06:57:09] wagnerrp: well like i said, something seems to be bugged with xv
[06:57:21] Shadow__X: hmm
[07:04:10] Shadow__X: i am trying enabling something
[07:04:17] Shadow__X: texture something i think
[07:04:20] Shadow__X: damn ati
[07:04:37] Shadow__X: although nvidia messed up with the 8500 series
[07:04:44] Shadow__X: so i guess its hit or miss
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[07:09:19] Shadow__X: gl is slow as well
[07:09:27] Shadow__X: and now xv is all black
[07:09:52] Shadow__X: vlc doesnt play it well either
[07:13:02] wagnerrp: ugh... when did mythweather break
[07:19:31] sid3windr: again?
[07:22:01] wagnerrp: no, just on my system, in mythweb
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[07:43:26] Shadow__X: watch tv doesnt work either
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[08:50:28] justinh: eep. just looked at my upcoming recordings list. FA worth watching
[08:51:35] justinh: jesus. gonna have to start watching Heroes at this rate. desperation or what
[08:51:57] justinh: suppose I can catch up on a whole series of Spooks I've yet to watch
[08:53:39] directhex: justinh, or play wii?
[08:54:17] justinh: or what?
[08:54:35] justinh: it's my wife's, not mine. I wouldn't have bought it
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[08:59:12] justinh: it's not been powered on since saturday – bad news for any newly purchased console I think
[08:59:49] justinh: I think the novelty has already worn off – indeed the other game we got in the bundle hasn't even been opened. Super fruit something or other :)
[09:00:45] justinh: heheheh.. " If everything about mythtv and its usability is good, then why
[09:01:00] justinh: competitors are using "mythtv is a lot of work" as marketing tool ?". I didn't realise mythtv had 'competitors'
[09:01:44] directhex: yeah, but "super fruit"?
[09:02:01] directhex: shock horror, the gaming equivalent of a straight-to-dvd movie made on a $1000 budget is shitty
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[09:03:27] sid3windr: suiper fruit fall
[09:03:27] sid3windr: :)
[09:03:30] sid3windr: -i
[09:03:45] directhex: whatever. load o' shite
[09:03:55] directhex: the wii is cursed with a surplus of dreadful shovelware
[09:04:20] justinh: anyway, I'm officially a grumpy old man. it was fun to have a go of & that's final
[09:05:00] wagnerrp: shovelware?
[09:05:03] sid3windr: yeah
[09:05:13] sid3windr: lots of wii games cost "only" 30 eur instead of 50
[09:05:23] sid3windr: while imo they should all be compiled on to -one- disc for 25
[09:05:25] directhex: wagnerrp, that's the technical term, yes. based on shoveling shit.
[09:05:27] justinh: if the raft of software is anything like the vast majority of DS games...
[09:05:30] sid3windr: or sell them separately for 5 eur
[09:05:31] justinh: eesh!
[09:05:32] sid3windr: not for 30
[09:06:11] sid3windr: I have a 8 wii games or so, good ones are guitar hero 3, gh3:aerosmith (more of the same ;), zelda twilight princess
[09:06:20] sid3windr: wii sports/play are good fun, sometimes.
[09:06:24] directhex: sid3windr, that's the point though. sell them for a *bit* less than AAA titles, but with a budget of pennies, make big profit
[09:06:36] sid3windr: most of the fun in a wii is multiplayer though
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[09:06:43] justinh: anyway, I had hours of fun making the google movies script work last night. what can be more fun than that?!
[09:06:45] sid3windr: standing there playing tennis against 3 computer players is just not it
[09:06:55] directhex: buy guitar hero on current-gen, not last-gen. no option to download extra tracks on last-gen systems.
[09:07:14] sid3windr: that makes it an expensive guitar hero
[09:07:32] wagnerrp: plus theres the whole 'mono sound' issue on wii guitar her
[09:07:34] sid3windr: I'm not spending 500 bucks for an xbox 360 +gh
[09:07:50] sid3windr: wagnerrp: luckily I got a free disc from activision for that then ;)
[09:07:54] directhex: sid3windr, i spent £45 on GH3, new
[09:08:03] sid3windr: directhex: but you had an xbox already?
[09:08:09] sid3windr: (or a ps3?)
[09:08:13] sid3windr: is it even out on xbox
[09:08:18] directhex: sid3windr, i game. i own games consoles
[09:08:24] sid3windr: I game, I own a pc :)
[09:08:35] directhex: the xbox is a much better value purchase than a wii, tbh
[09:08:49] sid3windr: i've had good fun with the wii, and I got it as a present, too ;)
[09:09:16] directhex: we bought ours with leftover honeymoon money
[09:09:17] sid3windr: but yes, it's not totally in the same league, graphics and feature-wise
[09:09:32] sid3windr: heheh, ours was a marriage present too ;)
[09:09:36] wagnerrp: the problem is that the wii has a bunch of party games, but only a handful of single player games
[09:09:55] wagnerrp: so in order to get any worth out of it, you have to buy all four controllers, and attachments, and other shit
[09:10:02] mzb_d800: directhex: ah ... that's the trick? :) ... gives me ideas ...
[09:10:05] wagnerrp: bringing the total right up there with the other consoles
[09:10:20] sid3windr: when my frontend is finally finished I'll put a menu entry for frets on fire
[09:10:25] sid3windr: pair up the bluetooth guitar with the pc
[09:10:32] sid3windr: and see if it rocks as much ;)
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[09:10:51] directhex: it's hard to justify a £180 wii versus a £200 360
[09:10:58] directhex: sid3windr, the ps3 guitar is not bluetooth
[09:11:23] wagnerrp: its not wireless?
[09:11:46] justinh: "but everybody at work is talking about the fun they have on the wii". I was frankly astounded by my wifey who's never been one to keep up with the Jones'
[09:11:48] directhex: it uses a USB RF dongle
[09:12:01] wagnerrp: thats crap
[09:12:19] justinh: directhex: prolly has better range than BT then ;)
[09:12:37] sid3windr: mine is, as I have a wii guitar, directhex ;)
[09:13:09] wagnerrp: rf vs. rf
[09:13:20] wagnerrp: honestly, ive gotten about 25 feet out of the BT on the ps3
[09:13:48] justinh: our wiimote works from as far away as the couch & that's it
[09:14:19] justinh: as remotes go maybe that's enough but my own universal IR goes further
[09:14:24] wagnerrp: when my old roommate had a wii, i would sit at my desk and bowl, from about 20ft away
[09:14:51] justinh: anyway. WII :( :( :(
[09:14:55] sid3windr: my guitar can strum from the kitchen which is 10m with 2 walls away from the wii
[09:15:01] justinh: I'd rather code!
[09:15:07] sid3windr: the ir sensor stuff is crap though ;/
[09:15:27] wagnerrp: sensor stuff?
[09:15:57] wagnerrp: oh, the wii sensor bar
[09:16:02] justinh: decided to jack in DJing at the current venue after my next gig, so I'm gonna be free to do more productive things again soon
[09:16:13] justinh: playing to empty clubs ain't my thing :)
[09:16:19] jduggan: heh
[09:16:31] sid3windr: productive things;
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[09:16:38] jduggan: what's a productive thing?
[09:16:39] sid3windr: JUSTINH WILL MAKE MOAR CUSTOM FREE THEMES
[09:16:41] justinh: the management's approach to promotion is somewhat er.. lacking
[09:17:06] justinh: sid3windr: will I shite!
[09:17:23] directhex: justinh, if you want a "serious" games machine, buy an xbox. if you want non-bowling wii games, there are a few suggestions
[09:17:28] justinh: that ship has sailed
[09:17:54] jduggan: i have an xbox
[09:17:59] jduggan: i used it for 2months, now it sits idle :(
[09:18:10] jduggan: keep meaning to sell it
[09:18:11] jduggan: heh
[09:18:43] sid3windr: =)
[09:18:44] directhex: a 360?
[09:18:46] justinh: there are still billions of coding things I want to look at. make a start fiddling about with menus & reorgynicing them etc
[09:18:49] directhex: try some, y'know, games
[09:19:03] sid3windr: reorgynicing
[09:19:04] sid3windr: sounds kinky
[09:19:13] justinh: and I need to get orf my bony ass & sort my CV out
[09:19:28] jduggan: directhex: yea i played vegas 2 and cod4 until i died, but no other games tickle my fancy ;P
[09:19:43] directhex: then you l;ack imagination!
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[09:22:36] ** sid3windr just installed his new pc and has some catching up to do **
[09:22:45] sid3windr: gaming-wise
[09:22:47] sid3windr: :)
[09:22:50] justinh: you lack imagination if you need a console to play games on. what about the zillions of geeks who sit & painstakingly paint figurines & act out scenarios? :P
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[09:25:40] jduggan: what kind of games do you play directhex
[09:25:42] jduggan: FPS?
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[09:25:58] directhex: anything except sports, pretty much
[09:27:00] jduggan: i bought my xbox solely to play rainbow six vegas, after playing it @ my brothers house
[09:27:09] jduggan: thought it was an excellent game
[09:27:18] justinh: I fecking swear to GOD I'm gonna gut that fscking ipod speaker cable again today
[09:27:24] jduggan: nothing else really stands out
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[09:28:55] directhex: jduggan, there are plenty of excellent games, across multiple genres. if you want more rainbow six, then that will of course restrict you to, um, rainbow six
[09:29:11] justinh: I used to think, when I read about workplaces having anti personal music player policies, they were being petty. now I'm fully behind them
[09:29:44] ** mzb_d800 reports no broken bones after wrapping the couch around the TV **
[09:30:58] ** justinh snaps & cuts the cable again. no more Bill Withers live. No more. Not today. not tomorrow, not ever **
[09:32:44] laga: haha. did you just someone else's cable?
[09:33:08] justinh: the lab speaker cable
[09:33:37] sid3windr: :D
[09:33:47] justinh: easily fixed. makes a point – bluntly – when traditional 'can we please have a change from this shit' negotiations break down
[09:37:57] justinh: see, we have a difference of opinion in that I can work without musical wallpaper & somebody else here thinks it's fine to annoy everybody with this nu-age pre-disco acid jazz crap from the 1970s
[09:39:58] mzb_d800: rock|paper|scissors ? ;)
[09:40:09] mzb_d800: I guess scissors won that time :)
[09:41:09] justinh: heh
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[09:56:49] justinh: nobody should be forced to listen to WAR all day for 3 days on end. Turns out that's what it is
[09:59:13] directhex: WAR! HUH! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
[09:59:48] waxhead_: lazy question... can I easily burn shows recorded to a DVD?
[10:00:10] directhex: yes.
[10:00:33] mzb_d800: s/is/was ? :) ... turn it off and super-glue the button? heh .. *cough* ... hmm
[10:01:23] mzb_d800: or maybe just fill the headphone socket with blu-tak?
[10:01:35] mzb_d800: I'd better quit before I create damage ;)
[10:01:40] justinh: the speakers will not be found tomorrow. we got them so we could test audio on units. they rarely got used until now, so they're gonna be hiden when he goes home
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[10:07:56] justinh: right. translating mythmovies...
[10:09:09] chuck-: anyone know why after a default mythtv install i only have 2 themes?
[10:09:16] chuck-: there are more than 2 themes in the /usr/share/mythtv/themes dir
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[10:09:45] justinh: what do you mean 'default mythtv install'? packages? built from source yourself? Que?
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[10:12:21] justinh: chuck--: what do you mean 'default mythtv install'? packages? built from source yourself? Que?
[10:12:40] chuck--: i built it from the package apt-get install mythtv
[10:12:45] chuck--: ran setup and all
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[10:13:35] justinh: mythtvthemes is also a package
[10:13:58] justinh: mythtv only comes with 2 themes by default. the extra themes (core & some others IIRC) are in mythtvthemes
[10:14:15] chuck--: couldn't find the package
[10:14:19] directhex: mythtv-themes – Additional themes metapackage for MythTV
[10:14:21] chuck--: <--new to linux so sorry heh
[10:14:49] lyricnz: FWIW, packing is not really the responsibility of mythtv, but your vendor
[10:14:58] directhex: indeed
[10:15:10] justinh: lyricnz: even the 'mythtv' stuff from mythtv itself only has 2 themes
[10:15:32] ** lyricnz nods **
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[10:15:50] justinh: blue (blugh) and GNAT
[10:16:15] chuck--: thx guys appreciate the help
[10:16:16] ** lyricnz has nfi what theme he's running. Something blue with big pictures on the left. **
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[10:16:38] justinh: lyricnz: ahh, something some wucking fanker made. eats memory & looks like poo
[10:16:57] lyricnz: Yours?
[10:16:58] lyricnz: :0
[10:17:32] justinh: all my themes suck. all those emails were right
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[10:18:12] lyricnz: I'm way to unco to write themes, but I saw XP media center for the first time the other day, quite nice
[10:18:12] justinh: well, all apart from what I currently use which ain't gonna be released for ages yet (if ever)
[10:18:53] justinh: it's quite easy. all you need is patience IMHO
[10:20:08] lyricnz: fwiw, and I know that this is my problem not yours, but when I tried to help contribute to mythtv (like ~5 years ago), I found the community really unfriendly. So I didn't try anymore, and now I work on a couple of other OSS projects. Still makes me a bit sad.
[10:20:21] justinh: making _unique_ graphics is the tricky part, as is learning the limitations of the UI – and when you realise those, you learn why so many themes look so alike. But not when mythui is done. Oh boy how that's gonna turn things on their head
[10:21:16] justinh: depends what you call a contribution IMHO. Some people stop at saying something sucks & begging for features. makes me sick
[10:21:52] lyricnz: I'm a developer, asked for some help getting into it, etc.
[10:22:12] lyricnz: one of my patches was committed, at least :)
[10:22:26] justinh: my own experience of writing code for mythtv has been great. I didn't know much about anything but folks helped & prodded me in the right direction. I wasn't expecting anybody to show me exactly what to do though & was mindful of being needy
[10:22:28] directhex: i had patches in myth once
[10:22:39] directhex: not currently
[10:24:06] ** justinh goes to look in the wiki to see if there are pointers to get a grip of translating **
[10:24:19] lyricnz: Of course, sometimes I wasn't very pleasant myself http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2090
[10:24:36] justinh: always helps to come along, cap in hand :D
[10:25:07] lyricnz: Heh, I was actively investigating an issue, adding debugging, rebuilding etc.
[10:25:17] lyricnz: One of my fixes actually got committed tho http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1803
[10:25:38] justinh: hmm that wiki page is only any use where there's an existing i18n dir
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[10:30:56] mzb_d800: s/beer/woman carrying beer/
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[13:29:58] mzb_d800: what a catch!
[13:30:00] mzb_d800: ;)
[13:30:37] laga: heh
[13:30:45] justinh: ?
[13:31:36] lyricnz: beeer
[13:32:13] mzb_d800: :)
[13:33:50] mzb_d800: nothing quite like my young woman coming home with beer + child + food :)
[13:35:45] mzb_d800: (although there's a chance that mythtv comes close on a some days;))
[13:37:13] mzb_d800: s/a.. a f0rk it ... beer must be working
[13:37:42] coolerguy: hmm
[13:38:45] Freman: s/child//
[13:38:47] Freman: all good
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[13:40:16] mzb_d800: lol
[13:41:30] mzb_d800: nah, she's good value (child) ... has completely changed my life (and is an extra excuse for running mythtv after all!)
[13:41:53] mzb_d800: ps: none of her recordings contain ads, either! :))
[13:41:59] coolerguy: dammit
[13:42:07] coolerguy: stupid Ubuntu won't run Mono apps
[13:42:30] mzb_d800: sounds odd
[13:42:41] coolerguy: i get sigsegv errors
[13:45:03] mzb_d800: google tells me that you should reinstall mono-runtime
[13:45:32] mzb_d800: *or* build from mono svn ;)
[13:48:38] directhex: coolerguy, which version of ubuntu? native stacktraces are bad, usually point to a bug in the runtime
[13:48:54] coolerguy: i believe it is hardy
[13:49:01] coolerguy: mythbuntu, so hardy-based
[13:49:20] Freman: Still working on getting ad detection working here
[13:49:25] Freman: aussie tv channels suck
[13:49:31] directhex: use my 1.9.1 repo.
[13:50:05] coolerguy: directhex: http://pastie.textmate.org/248451
[13:51:24] justinh: Freman: most of the commflagging stuff is based on how (surprise surprise) US TV works
[13:53:06] directhex: coolerguy, use my 1.9.1 repo.
[13:53:36] coolerguy: how?
[13:53:46] coolerguy: still not too steady linuxwise :)
[13:54:16] mzb_d800: Freman: they're too varied+tricky here ;)
[13:54:33] directhex: coolerguy, http://www.mono-project.com/Other_Downloads#U . . . rt_packages:
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[13:55:45] Nido: I've got a commercial recognition idea
[13:56:16] mzb_d800: power button?
[13:56:26] Nido: every commercial is at least 5 seconds and aired multiple times per day. So everything aired more then 4 times on a given channel is a commercial
[13:57:34] mzb_d800: record + commflag on all channels?
[13:58:34] Nido: basically
[13:58:57] Nido: or just the channels you care about. I don't think much people have their recorder busy 24/7
[13:59:11] mzb_d800: heh ... doesn't sound too economical
[13:59:29] Nido: true, but it's fool proof
[13:59:50] Nido: since the only thing I hate about commericals is the fact its the same damn thing over and over again
[13:59:57] Nido: well, only... main thing
[14:00:06] Nido: I wouldn't mind seeing 'new' commercials
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[14:04:07] Freman: yes more then aware of that justinh :)
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[14:05:03] Shadow__X: hello everybody
[14:05:35] justinh: I have an idea. lift your little pinkies & press a button once or maybe twice. Bang! And the ads are gone!
[14:05:58] justinh: sorry if that sounds like way too much work for your sensibilities ;)
[14:06:45] Shadow__X: ?
[14:06:50] Nido: well, it's context specific
[14:07:22] Nido: as the mythbox keyboard is far away from the TV. But then again; I usually manually cut out the commercials after myth recorded it, so I don't really care
[14:07:41] justinh: or just live in a better country where the channels with stuff worth watching are largely commercial free :D
[14:07:46] coolerguy: directhex: nope, same error
[14:08:36] directhex: coolerguy, i just downloaded & ran the app. is it crashing on startup?
[14:08:55] coolerguy: no
[14:09:03] coolerguy: when i try to open a connection to it
[14:09:12] coolerguy: it starts and everything
[14:09:13] Nido: if I cared enough I'd only record from Nederland 1, 2 and 3
[14:09:16] Shadow__X: anyone here have a ati vid card?
[14:09:34] Nido: wait, isn't the BBC ad-free too?
[14:09:40] justinh: yeah
[14:10:03] justinh: channel 4, Five & E4 occasionally have things worth watching too
[14:10:12] justinh: oops. Film4 too
[14:11:11] Nido: perhaps, but I can't receive those channels
[14:14:24] coolerguy: directhex: airfoilspeakers is the server app for Airfoil, so the program starts, and the server shows up on the network, but when i try to connect to it, it goes down with that error message
[14:14:31] coolerguy: in the pastie
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[14:14:44] mzb_d800: justinh: for the cost of moving to a "better" country I could probably afford to have all the commercial-free channels I want (in the country I prefer to live in);P
[14:16:15] mzb_d800: but agree with the button comment :)
[14:17:36] coolerguy: hmm... could pulseaudio have something to do with it?
[14:17:38] Shadow__X: who has all commercial free channels if you dont mine me asking
[14:17:57] coolerguy: namely mono works, but it can't access the audio card?
[14:18:06] directhex: coolerguy, pulse COULD break it,l sure
[14:18:33] coolerguy: the error does say "pulseaudio: unable to connect: connection refused"
[14:18:40] coolerguy: ideas for how to fix?
[14:21:05] coolerguy: can i remove pulseaudio somehow?
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[16:38:12] justinh: so the time has finally come for me to fix spdif audio output. rather than 'default', what should I REALLY set the passthru device to?
[16:40:05] justinh: aha! it was that easy?!
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[16:40:54] justinh: aplay -L listed the spdif output as iec958 so I just had to put ALSA:iec958 in the passthru device field. Bloody frickin eck! :-O
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[17:02:36] jblack: I didn't know aplay existed
[17:03:13] jblack: lol. My winmodem is offically a sound device, eh?
[17:03:34] jblack: I was wondering when the record would match up with fact
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[17:06:21] justinh: see, I was that bliddy scared by alsa configs I just assumed there'd be more to it than that
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[17:46:25] thatdood: anyone have any issues with going into the program guide, and it freezing up? program continues playing in the little window, but you can't navigate the guide, yet it appears to buffer the keystrokes, and 2–5mins later processes those key strokes?
[17:46:52] thatdood: X appears to be taking up 91% cpu while viewing the guide
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[17:48:46] thatdood: this is happing on a frontend with the following specs: AMD 64 XP 3000+ 1GB RAM, nvidia 8800GT 512MB vid card
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[17:59:01] justinh: nvidia binary drivers?
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[18:00:14] thatdood: yeah, the restricted drivers
[18:00:30] thatdood: glx-new i believe
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[18:00:37] ajh: Is there a way for my to set a timer that will skip all HD versions?
[18:00:52] wagnerrp: i was thinking that video card was a bit overkill for that processor
[18:00:52] ajh: In general I want HD over SD, but not when it's the Simpsons.
[18:01:25] wagnerrp: ajh: what do you mean... a timer?
[18:01:28] thatdood: i could toss a 7950 in there heh
[18:01:49] wagnerrp: well it shouldnt make any difference
[18:02:11] ajh: those things that record shows?
[18:02:21] wagnerrp: except the 7950 is probably hotter
[18:02:36] justinh: ajh: sounds like a job for a custom recording rule
[18:02:42] wagnerrp: ajh: you can tell the schedule to only record on a single channel
[18:03:09] ajh: justinh, ok that's what I figured, thanks.
[18:03:19] thatdood: i have a lower end system with a FX5200 and it does not exhibit this problem, and its runnin on a AMD XP 1100mhz with 512MB ram
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[18:03:35] justinh: or just edit the simpsons recording rule & make it only work on a SD channel
[18:03:59] ajh: Yeah, except I'm collecting all the shows, so that would mean lots of rules.
[18:04:08] styelz: would clearing the theme cache do anything to help that?
[18:04:18] wagnerrp: how many channels is the simpsons on?
[18:04:30] ajh: 50?
[18:04:31] wagnerrp: here, weve got all of... two
[18:04:49] ajh: Possibly more, as many as Law and Order for sure :)
[18:04:57] Shadow__X: hmm
[18:05:07] wagnerrp: law and order is on maybe three
[18:05:10] paramS: thatdood >> do you have xvmc enabled ?
[18:05:51] wagnerrp: does the simpsons actually broadcast in HD?
[18:05:55] ajh: I can basically watch some episode of L&O at any time during the day.
[18:06:02] ajh: wagnerrp, yes, they letterbox it.
[18:06:11] ajh: Well, columnbox.
[18:06:19] wagnerrp: but is it actually HD?
[18:06:20] justinh: pillarbox :)
[18:06:21] ajh: 2G vs 500M for each.
[18:06:26] ajh: Yeah that one :0
[18:06:37] justinh: who knows what else they're upscaling
[18:06:48] thatdood: paramS: where can i check that to be sure?
[18:07:02] ajh: It looks worse on the HD channels.
[18:07:07] paramS: i had a similar problem with my nvidia 6800 card , computer used to freeze whenever i opened the schedule guide ...
[18:07:10] wagnerrp: you would have intentionally set up XvMC to work
[18:07:27] ajh: Though it was an old episode I was looking at, they may actually render to 720p now.
[18:07:32] justinh: easier just to never use livetv :)
[18:07:42] Dagmar: Pardon me, but I suspect if you're worrying about if a cartoon is HD or not, you need to get out of the house more, or read a book.
[18:07:47] styelz: i have 6800 nvidia running fune
[18:07:51] paramS: in order to reduce the cpu% i enabled XvMC and also changed some other playback settings to reduce the cpu load
[18:07:55] thatdood: i installed Mythbuntu 8.04.01, same as on the older system. I didnt manually install xvmc
[18:07:58] ajh: dagmar, you might want to read a bit before the comment.
[18:08:11] ajh: I want to AVOID the HD version cause they're just more disc use for no reason.
[18:08:14] wagnerrp: an XP 3000+ should never need XvMC
[18:08:24] wagnerrp: its plenty fast to handle mpeg2
[18:08:30] paramS: after that my schedule has not frozen the computer ( keeping fingers crossed )
[18:08:32] ajh: Which as we discussed will need a custom rule.
[18:08:37] wagnerrp: and it doesnt help with any other codecs
[18:10:41] Shadow__X: can someone help me install linux to a raid 0 array with a windows partition it that i want to resize
[18:10:42] Shadow__X: :D
[18:10:47] ajh: How does the appletv handle 720p h.264 these days?
[18:10:55] Shadow__X: i know how everyone wnats to
[18:10:59] ajh: with Myth on it of course.
[18:11:04] justinh: doesn't, outside of their own app
[18:11:14] ajh: Ah well, mac mini should work though?
[18:11:15] justinh: i.e. it's still a TOY
[18:11:50] Dagmar: ajh: Considering that the compression isn't a fixed ratio of source material to destination material, but rather a computation based on collapsing out unnecessary information, "HD" and "SD" terms basically become meaningless on cel-shaded animation
[18:11:55] ajh: or are we still waiting on a faster processor for that.
[18:12:12] Dagmar: Compress some cartoons with XviD. Watch 'em squish like crazy.
[18:12:19] ajh: dagmar, you'd think that. If they'd broadcast it in SVG we'd be great. :)
[18:12:32] Dagmar: Jesus if they'd broadcast in SVG it would be awesome
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[18:12:36] ajh: but re-compressing .. how many seasons... will take a while.
[18:12:46] Dagmar: Ooo... yep. Okay. That'll be pain.
[18:13:03] wagnerrp: well awesome for cell shaded programs anyway
[18:13:04] paramS: has anyone seen this http://beagleboard.org/ ... the site has a picture of mythtv frontend running on that tiny thing :)
[18:13:15] justinh: wtf are the telematics freedom foundation on about anyway? playing FLOSS projects against one another is meaningless
[18:13:40] ajh: paramS, now if that works for 720p I bet it could be wedged into the cablecard slot. :)
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[18:14:28] paramS: well the youtube video on that site explained that it ( the board ) doesnt work with HD ... but they have it as a future enhancement
[18:14:35] ajh: I'm out of touch, does ARM8 still lack FP?
[18:14:40] ajh: I thought that was an ARM9 thing.
[18:15:27] ajh: Wonder if there are any h.264 codecs for blackfin, those things are cheap.
[18:15:42] GreyFoxx: params: There is a pic od it with myth on it ?
[18:15:49] GreyFoxx: Now which link takes you to that photo ?
[18:16:02] ajh: I should poke my Analog Devices contact about that.
[18:16:24] Shadow__X: raid ?
[18:16:38] ajh: Since blackfin is actually a DSP behaving like a CPU it could be interesting.
[18:17:07] paramS: yeah , lemme grab that photo link for you
[18:17:21] justinh: GreyFoxx: ** TINA TURNER **
[18:17:25] justinh: hahaha
[18:17:31] paramS: http://beagleboard.org/media
[18:17:36] justinh: she's got her own frickin laptop now.. why mine?!
[18:17:39] paramS: ^^ go to that link
[18:17:49] paramS: on the bottom they have flicker widget ..
[18:18:10] paramS: check out photo#8 over there
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[18:19:03] joomla_user: is mythtv under shaira law?`
[18:19:14] GreyFoxx: param: Nice
[18:19:26] GreyFoxx: joom: I still don't understand what your question means
[18:19:52] joomla_user: I am installing mythtv to mosque and just wanted to know if its produced under islamic law
[18:20:00] Dagmar: joomla_user: How about you wander off and we don't arrange for a kline
[18:20:07] joomla_user: like pork parts for coding
[18:20:21] Dagmar: Hell, it's MADE with pork.
[18:20:32] i3ooi3oo: by pork for pork
[18:20:33] Dagmar: ...and little pictures of Mohammad are embedded in the source.
[18:20:34] joomla_user: how about elephants ?
[18:20:40] GreyFoxx: joom: No religious considerations are made during the coding, so it is it for or against :)
[18:20:47] Dagmar: ...but none of this eclipses the fact that you're an idiot troll.
[18:21:04] joomla_user: I am not a troll
[18:21:19] ** justinh considers making fatwah-wide after all **
[18:21:34] joomla_user: hi justinh
[18:21:53] GreyFoxx: that beagle board looks kinda nifty :)
[18:22:42] dustybin: im considering buying another CRT for downstairs
[18:22:43] paramS: foxx >> agree, if mythtv doesnt runs on it .. it would be still cool to have this tiny-chip and play with it
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[18:22:51] dustybin: probably get a 28" for downstairs
[18:22:53] ajh: It brings 110 form size at least into the affordable range.
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[18:23:07] GreyFoxx: though even if it can display a 720p image that doesn't mean it could decode 720p mpeg2/mpeg4/h264
[18:23:15] GreyFoxx: but it's still a nifty toy to play with
[18:23:27] ajh: Are there comodity h.264 chips out yet?
[18:23:37] ajh: fpga or asic
[18:23:48] ajh: There must be for the tv's
[18:24:14] ajh: That or they've got a Xeon in there and that explains why I can get a suntan if I stand too close to my Dell 50.
[18:24:28] justinh: ajh: course there are, in every h.264 STB
[18:24:45] ajh: Right, slapping a couple of those onto a PCIe card can't be too hard.
[18:25:03] ajh: Assuming we have a PCIe to whatever bus bridge available.
[18:25:12] justinh: but guess what? wanna pay $10,000 for a dev kit, datasheets & example code AND sign a big fat NDA?
[18:25:27] joomla_user: yes
[18:25:35] Dagmar: Assuming you don't have monopoly lawyers making sure you can't get a reasonable price without a "licence agreement"
[18:25:38] joomla_user: hell make it double
[18:25:44] justinh: not like the old days where you could just buy some chips
[18:25:49] ajh: Depends what the NDA covers, I've found a lot of companies will let the final code be released once they've seen you're not giving away something.
[18:26:09] ajh: Yamaha was that way, you should have seen the paperwork.
[18:26:18] joomla_user: KDE too
[18:26:20] Dagmar: ajh: At the moment we're just lucky we figuratively scored a coup with the HD-PVR and the Amarella chip in it
[18:26:21] justinh: the $10k might be sort of tricky to lay hands on
[18:26:22] ajh: I've still got it here somewhere.
[18:26:31] Dagmar: I don't think we can rely on too many more slipups
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[18:27:01] justinh: if you don't mind having to have a closed-source driver, the world is probably your lobster
[18:27:04] ajh: justinh, not really, that's pocket change to come of the players out there, just need a convincing reason why we need such a card.
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[18:27:14] Dagmar: F**k monopolists.
[18:27:26] justinh: ajh: offloading h.264 decoding? yeah gimme some of that
[18:27:34] justinh: pvr350 but for HDTV? yeah put m
[18:27:39] justinh: put my name down
[18:28:10] ajh: When I get a chance I'll take a bit of a look into it and what the best approach might be, I like the nvidia gpu vector supercomputer cards for it but they're too pricy.
[18:28:34] ajh: Heck, I'll just poke Alan later, I need to bug him about something anyway.
[18:28:48] ajh: I don't know how, but that man always has an answer.
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[18:29:02] wagnerrp: ajh: any 8000 series or better functions as a 'gpu vector supercomputer'
[18:29:04] ajh: He must keep them on slips of paper in his beard. :)
[18:29:19] ajh: wagnerrp, some company slapped 16 I think GPU onto a card.
[18:29:41] justinh: it's easy in principle. get some chips & the reference designs. make prototypes, develop drivers & software support. unleash onto unsuspecting world
[18:30:14] ajh: If it can be targetted initially at the provideo world with a high price, then drop the price once out there, that's one approach that tends to get things overlooked :)
[18:30:39] wagnerrp: ajh: it was a university, four X2 cards, so 8 GPUs, and it performed live tomography calculations
[18:30:47] ajh: ah, ok :)
[18:31:00] keith4: actually it was 16
[18:31:02] keith4: http://www.slashgear.com/mit-grads-build-pc-w . . . -2913082.php
[18:31:02] ajh: No, I thought i heard of another thing, let me google.
[18:31:17] justinh: that first bit might be quite tricky. I got a severe bollocking at work for getting our purchasing peeps to ask conexant for cx23416 datasheets. people hit ceilings at conexant apparently
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[18:31:47] justinh: companies are protecting their IP very jealously these days
[18:31:56] ajh: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_43499.html
[18:32:01] justinh: and that includes datasheets & driver source code
[18:32:21] wagnerrp: well you can get the dedicated boxes, with up to four in a 1U rack i believe
[18:32:30] ajh: I'm not sure that's the specific oe I heard about, but this was a while ago.
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[18:34:16] wagnerrp: i can get an interal card, you can get an external box with two cards, or you can get an rackmount with four cards
[18:34:17] justinh: so uhhh how much are those beagle thingies?
[18:34:28] Shadow__X: is installing linux on a raid0 partion with windows already on it worth it
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[18:34:52] justinh: btw I'm not sure those Ti DSPs are up to h,264 HD. we used similar chips at work & they sucked
[18:35:23] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: sure, why not?
[18:35:38] Shadow__X: well i want to do it i just need a bit of help
[18:35:56] i3ooi3oo: 149 for beagle
[18:35:58] wagnerrp: ive never dual booted on a single drive, so cant help there
[18:36:06] Shadow__X: i got as far along as using dmraid to see the partition
[18:36:18] justinh: 149 dowar? that's not bad
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[18:37:20] justinh: wonder if I can get any free samples through work :D
[18:38:12] GreyFoxx: the intel atom is pretty sweet at like $68CDN
[18:38:17] GreyFoxx: and will make a decent frontend
[18:38:28] GreyFoxx: no clue on the hdtv front though
[18:38:30] i3ooi3oo: via chips is faster
[18:38:47] i3ooi3oo: but uses more power
[18:38:48] wagnerrp: the via chip is currently faster, and draws about 20W more
[18:39:11] Shadow__X: i thought atoms used ht
[18:39:16] Shadow__X: even with that its slower?
[18:39:16] wagnerrp: once the dual core chip comes out, and they give it a worthwhile NB, the via chip wont compare
[18:39:25] justinh: ahh but the northbridge for the current atom boards takes 25W on its own
[18:39:35] i3ooi3oo: yeah but the chipset that the atom uses makes up for the additional power saved cause it's is power hungry
[18:39:58] wagnerrp: justinh: yes, even with the old as 945, the atom uses about as much power under load, as the via chip idling
[18:40:12] Shadow__X: hmm
[18:40:16] wagnerrp: s/as/ass/
[18:40:30] justinh: the question will remain for some time then – do you want a capable frontend or a low power one? ;)
[18:40:30] XLV: atom 4W atm, 945gsc 22W ;-)
[18:40:54] justinh: s/capable/HD capable
[18:41:15] XLV: wtf is that pulsbo chipset for atom? or 4500hd chipset for other c2d/q
[18:41:17] i3ooi3oo: intel had a dual-core 1ghz that only consumes 6w
[18:41:20] justinh: even HDTV STBs pull about 50W from the mains
[18:41:45] justinh: and they have dedicated chippery!
[18:43:26] ajh: and the 1080p stuff is the single most power hungry home appliance in your typical home.
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[18:43:59] XLV: a sempron with 780G consumes twice that atom+945gsc about 35W.. but we still need h264/vc1 gpu acceleration in linux
[18:44:22] justinh: gpu/pci-e dsp board :)
[18:46:37] justinh: hmm using Ti DSPs is probably a better idea than some of these newcomers.. they seem to have all the programming info right there on their website :-O
[18:47:05] justinh: good old fashioned way of operating. wow
[18:47:47] XLV: justinh but are those able to handle h264/vc1 decoding? and whats their cost?
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[18:48:58] justinh: XLV: few tens of dollars AFAICT
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[18:50:17] wagnerrp: i wonder how many gates you would need in an fpga to push a bluray video
[18:50:59] wagnerrp: you can get some lower end boards for <$100
[18:51:09] justinh: not impossible with current devices – but you might incur the wrath of the lawyers
[18:51:30] wagnerrp: how so?
[18:51:46] justinh: h.264 is patented
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[18:51:53] thatdood: well interesting... under X Screen 0..X Server XVideo Settings... if i uncheck Sync to VBlank everything works fine
[18:51:57] wagnerrp: then how does x264 get around it?
[18:52:03] thatdood: guide stops freezing up
[18:52:04] wagnerrp: and ffmpeg
[18:52:06] justinh: wagnerrp: they don't
[18:52:21] thatdood: X went from 91% cpu down to 13%
[18:52:27] justinh: but software patents don't really apply in sane parts of the world
[18:53:13] justinh: programmable logic on the other hand... tangible stuff
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[18:53:31] justinh: though still prolly a grey area since algorithms are just code
[18:53:46] wagnerrp: i mean if you have an fpga, you could drop a new image in for whatever codec youre using
[18:54:11] wagnerrp: of course it would take a long ass time to develop the images
[18:54:12] justinh: yup
[18:54:27] Shadow__X: fpga?
[18:54:27] justinh: it's been done already, although not with h.264
[18:54:37] justinh: Shadow__X: field programmable gate array
[18:54:39] Dagmar: ...and then you can face mega-million-dollared law firms looking to use you to see if they can really enforce a software patent
[18:54:56] Shadow__X: ah
[18:55:12] Dagmar: I mean, after giving the whole situation a look, I'm pretty sure that's the real reason h.264 is being used.
[18:55:21] Dagmar: It's yet another thing the monopolists can sue someone over.
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[18:55:43] justinh: I wish I'd thought of it :D
[18:55:54] Dagmar: I wish it were legally bannable.
[18:56:28] justinh: capitalism ftw!
[18:56:36] Dagmar: That's not capitalism
[18:56:45] justinh: ultiimately, it is
[18:56:49] Dagmar: Nope.
[18:56:59] Dagmar: No more than it is communism.
[18:57:24] Shadow__X: hmm
[18:57:28] justinh: if I could get away with doing what they're doing, I think I probably would
[18:57:35] wagnerrp: capitalism involves developing the most desirable product at the least price
[18:57:50] Dagmar: There's nothing about "least price" in this.
[18:57:50] Shadow__X: or monopolizing the market
[18:57:51] wagnerrp: if that were the case, they wouldnt have to sue you, because no one would be buying your product
[18:57:56] Shadow__X: which ever comes first
[18:57:59] Dagmar: That's the point of establishing the monopoly.
[18:58:06] wagnerrp: least price to them
[18:58:14] justinh: ding ding
[18:58:32] Shadow__X: heh
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[18:58:45] Dagmar: Calling it capitalism is about as useful as calling a stack of tires a car.
[18:59:01] Dagmar: ...and slightly less accurate.
[18:59:03] wagnerrp: either way, capitalism necessitates a free market, patents prevent that
[18:59:35] wagnerrp: instead of anyone selling anything, only those they allow to sell can sell
[18:59:40] Dagmar: When used to create and enforce monopolies, patents prevent that
[19:00:04] justinh: sorry I put capitalism in the same basket as greed#
[19:01:08] Shadow__X: but in what other market can you have the ability to become a millionair
[19:01:10] Shadow__X: ?
[19:01:31] GreyFoxx: Why would you need to ?
[19:01:52] GreyFoxx: Don't get me wrong, I live in this society, and want money to play and be lazy and do whatever I want whenever I want
[19:01:55] Shadow__X: i am just asking
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[19:02:00] GreyFoxx: but that doesn't make it a good thing :)
[19:02:20] wagnerrp: capitalism doesnt make greed, it just fails because of greed
[19:02:20] justinh: if you're the one counting all the money on your kitchen table would you still care?
[19:02:23] GreyFoxx: as long as humans want what the neighbour has we will be envious greedy buggers :)
[19:02:26] neztiti: GreyFoxx: hi
[19:02:49] neztiti: GreyFoxx: did u watch astra19.2?
[19:02:52] wagnerrp: just like most systems fail because of greed
[19:03:02] GreyFoxx: just: Hell no I wouldn't care. cause I got my gold at that point :)
[19:03:10] GreyFoxx: I'm just as flawed as the restof us :)
[19:03:10] justinh: oh how do the billionaire shareholders of electronics firms sleep at night?
[19:03:19] Shadow__X: hmm
[19:03:20] GreyFoxx: on 500 thread count sheets :)
[19:03:32] wagnerrp: only 500?
[19:03:34] GreyFoxx: nezt: Nope, no access to it :)
[19:03:42] wagnerrp: thats some coarse shit right there
[19:03:45] Shadow__X: i thought they slept on exotic animals
[19:03:46] GreyFoxx: hah
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[19:04:28] Shadow__X: the problem with greed is that most people just cant control themselves
[19:04:31] Shadow__X: ultimately
[19:04:40] neztiti: GreyFoxx: i want 2 know how i can search for d1 d2 d3 ---- channels from direct sport
[19:04:49] Shadow__X: no matter how much something makes sense if someone wants somethigng enough they will just do it
[19:04:49] GreyFoxx: nez: no idea :)
[19:05:04] neztiti: GreyFoxx: ok man – thank you
[19:05:17] GreyFoxx: That's why you can't prevent terrorism and people are fooling themselves :)
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[19:05:32] Shadow__X: yup
[19:05:39] Shadow__X: if someone feels like they have nothing to lose
[19:05:41] GreyFoxx: If someone wants to kill you bad enough, and does NOT care about the consequences (and especially if they have backup) you can't stop it
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[19:05:47] Shadow__X: they will do anything they possible can
[19:06:28] Shadow__X: yup
[19:06:31] laga: has anyone tried the mythtube plugin in #5589? does it build against -fixes?
[19:06:52] GreyFoxx: iamlind: Was playing with it, not sure if he was using trunk or not
[19:06:54] justinh: laga: iamlindoro has. he's improved it some
[19:07:01] justinh: trunk only IIRC
[19:07:02] Shadow__X: the only reason why people feel "safe" is because they believe that someone else will value the laws that they abide by
[19:07:24] laga: booohoo :(
[19:07:25] ajh: not laws, morals.
[19:07:41] ajh: or ethics for the non-believers.
[19:08:06] ajh: Laws only really get obeyed when they are in sync with one of the above.
[19:08:18] ** ajh stops procrastinating and gets back to work. **
[19:08:50] Shadow__X: heh
[19:08:53] laga: fear of punishment is also a reason to obey laws
[19:09:07] ** justinh laughs **
[19:09:10] GreyFoxx: but only a minor one
[19:09:11] Shadow__X: hmm
[19:09:24] Shadow__X: if you believe you wont get caugth then what
[19:09:36] Shadow__X: its a slipery slope
[19:09:38] laga: well, that's a different thing ;)
[19:09:40] laga: yeah.
[19:09:46] GreyFoxx: then you get to see if you are an ethical person or a bastard :)
[19:09:50] justinh: fear of the death penatly has ultimately completely prevented murders in US states where it's on the statute books :P
[19:09:55] GreyFoxx: Like finding a bag full of money :)
[19:10:07] laga: but, speeding. people might know they aren't punished that hard if they only do 10mph over speed limit, so they won't go that much faster ;)
[19:10:22] Shadow__X: yeah but that just shows that horrible most people are hands down
[19:10:29] ** justinh speeds as much as conditions allow, thankyou **
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[19:10:51] Shadow__X: 130 in a 20 justinh ?
[19:10:59] justinh: conditions & car
[19:11:01] justinh: lol
[19:11:16] Shadow__X: 90?
[19:11:41] justinh: 90 in a 20? jesus. I might be a shade irresponsible – I don't have a deathwish
[19:11:43] wagnerrp: well cop possibility factors into the 'conditions'
[19:11:46] laga: heh, i just noticed some unused partitions on one of my hdds and mounted them.. turns it out's a linux install with mythconverg backups from 2006
[19:11:55] Shadow__X: what kind of car do you have
[19:12:03] justinh: pug 206 1.4hdi
[19:12:13] Shadow__X: ah your overseas
[19:12:19] Shadow__X: right
[19:12:25] justinh: no 20mph zone is long enough to reach 90mph in my car :D
[19:12:33] Shadow__X: what zone is
[19:12:34] Shadow__X: :D
[19:12:38] laga: justinh: when did you switch cars, btw? i seem to remember you used to have a different one
[19:12:46] wagnerrp: well you could already be going 90 when you hit the 20mpg zone
[19:12:51] directhex: after the old one got set on fire?
[19:12:56] justinh: when my house was burgled & my car keys were taken, back in feb
[19:13:03] Shadow__X: that sucks
[19:13:06] Shadow__X: sorry to hear that
[19:13:10] laga: yeah, pretty much..
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[19:13:22] justinh: I'm not. not now. I much prefer my new car
[19:13:32] Shadow__X: how many mpg
[19:13:37] justinh: about 63
[19:13:46] Shadow__X: manual?
[19:13:52] justinh: of course
[19:14:00] Shadow__X: hmm
[19:14:08] justinh: only poofs drive autos over here
[19:14:13] laga: yeah, the pug 206 is a nice car. i own one, too. 1.4 but not the diesel one
[19:14:15] Shadow__X: 1.4 ltr gas or diesal
[19:14:30] justinh: diesel. not many petrol cars do 63mpg
[19:14:55] Shadow__X: hey i can hit 40mpg on my 1.9 ltr gas car
[19:15:10] directhex: 1) imperial versus US gallons
[19:15:11] wagnerrp: i miss my manual
[19:15:13] justinh: 63mpg & I don't drive like a tart
[19:15:13] laga: 40 != 63 ;)
[19:15:21] directhex: 2) only disabled people drive automatics
[19:15:46] Shadow__X: a budy of mine hits 50 with a not running right honda hf
[19:15:59] justinh: my work colleague gets about 40mpg with his newer diesel but he drives like Gene Hunt
[19:16:01] Shadow__X: yeah i agree 40 !- 63 but i am close
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[19:16:20] Shadow__X: i am sure my car is also bigger
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[19:16:27] directhex: Shadow__X, again, US gallons are not imperial gallons
[19:16:29] Shadow__X: and accelerates better
[19:16:31] justinh: fuel prices have made him rethink his driving style of late :P
[19:16:32] gbee: Honda Jazz regularly achieves over 50mpg in the summer months
[19:16:35] wagnerrp: directhex: where do people with SMGs and robo-clutches fit in there?
[19:16:40] laga: i get about 30MPG. holy crap
[19:16:48] directhex: gbee, O RLY? i must be doing something wrong
[19:16:54] laga: (US gallons)
[19:16:59] justinh: laga: my seat leon got 35 with the wind behind it going downhill
[19:17:06] Shadow__X: i get 30 mpg when i am stretch out gears laga
[19:17:07] directhex: wagnerrp, "<justinh> only poofs drive autos over here"
[19:17:22] justinh: autos/automatics
[19:17:31] laga: yeah, i haven't measured it again during summer. i still have my winter tires, too. i'm being way too lazy
[19:17:35] wagnerrp: correct, theyre technically not automatics
[19:17:46] gbee: directhex: guess it depends on the sort of traffic you drive in
[19:17:47] wagnerrp: no fluid dynamic torque converter
[19:17:49] laga: Shadow__X: my car has got like 75HP, so sometimes i need to stretch out gears ;)
[19:17:49] directhex: i'm getting ~42mpg at the moment in my jazz
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[19:18:02] justinh: not bad for a petrol guzzler though
[19:18:08] Shadow__X: Laga i have around 125 and still get better mpg
[19:18:09] Shadow__X: :D
[19:18:20] directhex: Shadow__X, have you converted to imperial yet?
[19:18:37] Shadow__X: no i was talking to laga in us gallons thank you
[19:18:50] justinh: so when are we invading europe & forcing them to be imperialists?
[19:19:05] Shadow__X: heh
[19:19:07] justinh: tomorrow sounds good
[19:19:15] wagnerrp: ive got about 250... weeee! 25mpg
[19:19:15] gbee: directhex: I'd be happy to arrange a photo if you are in any doubt that I'm exaggerating
[19:19:38] directhex: 42 (miles per Imperial gallon) = 34.9723013 miles per US gallon
[19:19:46] Nido: geez!
[19:19:51] ** laga needs to think about his driving again ;) **
[19:19:52] Nido: wrong #; sorry
[19:19:54] directhex: 42 (miles per Imperial gallon) = 6.72573936 litres per (100 kilometers)
[19:19:54] justinh: they didn't have frickin _metric_ stormtroopers in star wars ffs
[19:20:39] justinh: laga – just thought of something. you could backport mythtube to -fixes! :D
[19:20:45] gbee: which is why they lost ;)
[19:20:52] laga: justinh: let me think.. no?
[19:20:57] justinh: hahaha
[19:20:59] Shadow__X: directhex, if i did my math right i would get around 48 mpg using imperial
[19:21:07] wagnerrp: justinh: i looked into that, the entire menu would have to be rewritten
[19:21:10] directhex: Shadow__X, which vehicle is this?
[19:21:11] Shadow__X: just converting 10 us gallons and converting from there
[19:21:16] wagnerrp: its like half the code
[19:21:18] justinh: wagnerrp: qt4 vs qt3? eew nasty
[19:21:26] Shadow__X: 1998 saturn sc2
[19:21:27] Shadow__X: manual
[19:21:31] Shadow__X: short shifting
[19:21:34] wagnerrp: more mythui vs. not-mythui
[19:21:35] Shadow__X: :D
[19:21:45] wagnerrp: short shifting?
[19:22:07] Shadow__X: yeah i shift around 1500 – 1700 rpm
[19:22:26] Shadow__X: it redlines at about 7000 and the regular shift points are around 2400
[19:22:35] wagnerrp: so at that point, your car has all of 20hp?
[19:22:43] Shadow__X: not really
[19:22:44] Nido: metric stormtroopers sounds like a good idea to me
[19:22:51] Shadow__X: it moves
[19:23:12] Shadow__X: even when i keep it in gear and rev it i havnt gotten below 30mpg us
[19:23:17] laga: yeah, i try to do the same
[19:23:24] Shadow__X: but normally i dont have a lead foot
[19:23:33] directhex: erm, shifting that low you're gonna have the torque of a small hamster
[19:23:38] Shadow__X: and dont get on the accel hard when the light turns green
[19:23:47] justinh: wagnerrp: I thought mythui existed in 0.21
[19:23:52] laga: directhex: so what? if it moves..
[19:23:57] Shadow__X: directhex, what do i need all this torque for if i can pickup speed
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[19:24:09] Shadow__X: i just accel slower get better gas mileage
[19:24:14] Shadow__X: driving smarter
[19:24:21] directhex: plus the us government gives figures about half of yours. even with bizarre fear of acceleration, you're not gonna get double
[19:24:34] wagnerrp: huh, it does exist
[19:24:41] wagnerrp: ill have to look into it again
[19:24:44] justinh: Shadow__X: I try to not even stop at lights if I can
[19:24:51] Shadow__X: heh yeah
[19:25:02] wagnerrp: i tried compiling it, and it complained about all the mythui includes being missing
[19:25:08] Shadow__X: directhex, are you talking about my car?
[19:25:16] laga: well, gbee rejigged mythui a bit IIRC
[19:25:28] justinh: hey ho. 0.22 ain't that far off
[19:25:46] directhex: Shadow__X, the 1998 saturn sc? 23 city, 33 highway?
[19:25:51] Shadow__X: auto
[19:25:59] justinh: what does mythtube use as a player anyhow?
[19:26:04] Shadow__X: i have it stick and drive slow
[19:26:10] directhex: the auto is less
[19:26:12] Shadow__X: highway i do 50–55
[19:26:16] directhex: 21/31 for auto
[19:26:22] Shadow__X: come here i will drive it and you can see
[19:26:27] Shadow__X: i dont have a reason to lie
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[19:32:12] justinh: woo mythtube plays video properly
[19:32:13] dschan: Hi everybody.
[19:32:51] laga: justinh: internal? or mplayer
[19:32:53] laga: hi directhex
[19:32:55] laga: err, dschan
[19:34:18] justinh: laga: whatever :)
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[19:34:26] justinh: I said _properly_
[19:34:34] ** stuarta waves **
[19:34:41] justinh: cooooeeeeee
[19:34:46] stuarta: quack
[19:34:48] laga: justinh: cool.
[19:34:52] laga: hey stuarta
[19:35:00] stuarta: evenin'
[19:35:42] Shadow__X: directhex, big hug?
[19:36:15] dschan: Can anyone help? I neened some time to set up my mytharchive. No that it seems to work, I get the error "ERROR: Tried 10 times to get a good status from DVD drive – Giving up!" ... The tray was closed and I had a (full) DVD-RW in the drive (which should be overwritten). Though I was not there when Mytharchive wanted to start the burning process. Is there any chance to burn the readily transcoded data from the temporary folde
[19:36:52] Dagmar: If you know how to invoke dvdrecord manually, probably so
[19:37:13] dschan: Hi Dagmar. Thanks. Do you happen to know?
[19:37:52] Dagmar: I know as well as I need to. I can look at `man dvdrecord` any time I like
[19:38:02] stuarta: personally i get it to make an iso
[19:38:17] stuarta: and then use k3b to burn it, after checking it's all good
[19:38:51] dschan: how do i create the iso? just take all data? do I have to arrange the data in a certain way?
[19:39:10] stuarta: select the option that says make an iso
[19:39:10] Dagmar: Neat rows and columns.
[19:39:21] stuarta: preferrable 1's & 0's
[19:39:46] Dagmar: By the way, for anything to overwrite a full rewriteable automatically would be pretty damn disasterous
[19:40:00] laga: i think you can select that in mytharchive. not sure, tho
[19:40:09] stuarta: yes you can
[19:40:56] dschan: Yes, I saw about the overwriting probs, but tried anyway. However, now I saw the new dvd folder which I'll burn...Thank you!Good help!
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[19:42:45] dschan: Dagmar: I appreciate your skills and knowledge.
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[19:44:46] ** stuarta abuses Dagmar so he'll get over it **
[19:45:31] Dagmar: dschan: Well, you can't overwrite them directly (not sure if you knew that or not) they've got to be blanked as a separate step, but if the thing were to just blank discs you threw at it, that would just be like handing a small child a gun and saying "look into this end here" for most people
[19:45:46] Dagmar: Guranteed people would be managing to erase the things they just burned
[19:47:35] laga: Dagmar: i think you need to tell mytharchive to overwrite the disc when you create the DVD
[19:48:06] dschan: well, thank you! ok, i have a disk which surely can be deleted because there is an old attempt (A/V out of sync) Of course, I tried before if the disk is really the one I want to erase. And, call me an idiot, now I fully understand your really useful help! Without any irony: Thank you very much!
[19:48:46] stuarta: a/v out of sync is why i test the iso's after mytharchive creates them
[19:49:20] dschan: OK, does the obligatory mythtranscode in the 0.21 version solve this?
[19:51:52] dschan: any recommendations for good ubuntu-software (Gnome) to create the iso-file? And then test a7v sync by playing the iso with mplayer/vlc/xine or som of them?
[19:52:36] dschan: sry. a/v-sync...
[19:53:31] stuarta: use mytharchive to create the iso
[19:53:42] stuarta: then test with xine
[19:53:46] laga: dschan: for DVB, you can tell mytharchive to use project-x which helps a lot here
[19:54:28] Shadow__X: has anyone gotten mythtv to work with a ati card
[19:54:35] Shadow__X: i was having issues getting xv working
[19:55:17] dschan: okok ... stuartd: does that work from the frontend? *** laga: haven't heard of this, will try to find information on the web about this. Thank you all!
[19:55:30] justinh: ati have issues with xv all over the show
[19:55:46] Shadow__X: dschan, you have to do it on the fe/be
[19:56:20] Shadow__X: hmm
[19:57:18] dschan: sure. have probs with setting up remote be anyway. :-) I will try to fix this later again (not too much time at the mom)
[19:57:24] justinh: until recently ATI categorically said they wouldn't support mythtv issues
[19:57:40] Shadow__X: ah
[19:57:54] Shadow__X: well justinh i wasnt getting xv working on mplayer
[19:58:11] Shadow__X: i was given the suggestion of trying the opensource driver
[19:58:16] Shadow__X: any suggestions
[19:58:26] dschan: aaa ..ok no, my precise question: Is there a function to make this iso from the temporary folder within the frontend (not the machine but the user interface)?
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[19:58:32] Shadow__X: and i cant put a nvidia card in it now its a laptop
[19:58:38] justinh: nvidia (stock answer) :P
[19:58:52] Shadow__X: no justinh i had a disclaimer its a laptop
[19:59:00] justinh: cross your fingers & hope ATI get a clue one day?
[19:59:07] Shadow__X: oh great
[19:59:16] Shadow__X: use opensource drivers or fglrx?
[19:59:19] Shadow__X: whats your opinion
[19:59:46] justinh: I'd be willing to try anything if I were you. even open source drivers! :-O
[19:59:57] stuarta: opensource drivers have finally got gl working for me
[20:00:15] laga: time to try wine & deus ex: invisible war
[20:00:29] Shadow__X: hmm
[20:00:33] directhex: thief 3 engine?
[20:00:34] Shadow__X: alright well ill try those
[20:00:48] Shadow__X: i just want to beable to watch shows while i am on my laptop
[20:00:50] laga: directhex: no clue. :)
[20:00:51] Shadow__X: :(
[20:01:15] directhex: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sCl . . . amp;iId=3783
[20:01:16] stuarta: try opensource first is always my policy
[20:01:32] laga: directhex: seems to be working.. i guess i'll find out
[20:02:38] directhex: silly slashdot
[20:02:49] ** stuarta suggests beatings **
[20:03:06] directhex: "IBM Open Sources Supercomputer Code" means "IBM open-sources a bunch of zsh scripts for redhat"
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[20:12:12] dschan: soory, still have a prob. I got the dvd-folder from my be/fe machine via ssh, made an iso, containing the folders AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS with ISO Master. Kaffeine is the video software that tends to work best on my gnome system. However, now it says the following: "This DVD Video is encrypted. To be able to watch it you will need to install libdvdcss by running from a console: sudo /usr/share/doc/kaffeine/install-css.sh. In s
[20:16:31] dschan: the single files from the VIDEO_TS folder are played without sync-problems in kaffeine!
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[20:16:52] laga: yay, deus ex: invisible war won't work with wine here ;)
[20:17:08] directhex: laga, lucky you. it sucks compared to the original DX
[20:18:00] laga: yeah, but i loved the original DX so much
[20:18:10] dschan: any ideas? otherwise I'll go to my fe/be system to try within the user interface...
[20:19:06] Shadow__X: hey is this weird
[20:19:06] Freman: well, time to go to work
[20:19:10] Freman: cherio
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[20:19:27] Shadow__X: when i goto watch recordings
[20:19:39] Shadow__X: and the preview box for the recording
[20:19:42] Shadow__X: it plays perfect
[20:19:58] Shadow__X: but when i actually play the file it doesnt
[20:20:45] Shadow__X: i put the playback to cpu--
[20:23:42] Dagmar: This suprises you?
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[20:25:00] Dagmar: So, if you were to go into the frontend setup menus under Playback Profiles you'd find some stuff that's rather complex grammar for which algorithm should be used for playback of a file based on it's resoltuion (go figure)
[20:25:21] Dagmar: ...so "cpu--" isn't exactly the most useful thing in the world to know.
[20:25:36] Dagmar: I threw all the defaults out over here and rebuilt new ones.
[20:25:38] Shadow__X: what i am saying it i thought it would help that computer actually play recordings
[20:25:41] laga: it is, if he didn't change the defaults ;)
[20:25:47] Dagmar: ANyway, what matters is _what_ you're trying to play?
[20:25:52] Dagmar: So fill that blank in for us
[20:26:00] Shadow__X: a sd recording
[20:26:08] Dagmar: That's not enough information.
[20:26:22] Dagmar: Was it a recording you made? If so, what tuner? What resolution were you recording at at the time?
[20:26:48] Shadow__X: any recording i try and play does not play smoothly hvr-1800 , pinnacle pctv 800i, fireiwre from a box
[20:28:09] Shadow__X: i am trying to see what i can do to get video to play smoothly its a ati x1400 mobile card
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[20:30:42] joomla_user: :(
[20:30:59] Shadow__X: anymore info needed Dagmar ?
[20:31:18] Shadow__X: currently using opensource driver
[20:32:03] Dagmar: So, what part of this is confusing you
[20:32:09] Dagmar: What is THAT file you're trying to play?
[20:32:17] Dagmar: What recorded it
[20:32:38] Shadow__X: the hvr-1800 digital
[20:32:52] Dagmar: So it's ATSC then?
[20:32:55] Shadow__X: no
[20:32:57] Shadow__X: qam
[20:33:10] Shadow__X: its a sd recording
[20:33:21] Dagmar: I blame your ATI driver
[20:33:30] Dagmar: Try playing something with mplayer or something
[20:33:36] Shadow__X: alright
[20:33:50] Shadow__X: but do you have any suggestions to find something that will work
[20:33:53] laga: Dagmar: you should get a blog and curse like matthew garrett ;)
[20:34:00] Shadow__X: heh
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[20:35:18] Dagmar: I <3 him
[20:35:21] Dagmar: "FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST T-MOBILE WHY ARE YOU TRIGGERING VOICEMAIL NOTIFICATIONS AT THE RATE OF ONE EVERY FIVE MINUTES WHEN I AM UNABLE TO EVEN ACCESS MY VOICEMAIL I AM GOING TO BURN YOU TO THE GROUND"
[20:35:41] laga: he's teh awesome
[20:35:59] laga: i like the great chemical fire, too
[20:36:13] Dagmar: Shadow__X: I say try playing the file with mplayer because it might work, it might not. Either way it will provide a way of being sure that it's _not_ MythTV screwing up and is actually your video card driver
[20:36:25] laga: Dagmar: http://www.angryfacts.com/ – have you seen this?
[20:37:00] Shadow__X: thanks dagar
[20:37:02] Shadow__X: Dagmar,
[20:37:53] justinh: heh. another niggle about the scheduler. please make & == and
[20:38:10] laga: "Most men stand on the shoulders of giants. Matthew Garrett stamps on the testicles of midgets."
[20:38:52] Dagmar: His post from Monday, July 21st should be a sermon
[20:39:23] Dagmar: "The reason people fail to see this is that it doesn't sound like a flaw. If you ask people whether we need to support intolerance, the immediate answer is probably no. But by advocating exclusion of intolerance, you're excluding all those who have good reasons to be intolerant. You're excluding the women who don't want to feel that the community sees them as a pair of breasts attached to some legs. You're excluding the ethnic groups who would pr
[20:40:09] dschan: OK, I'll go to bed. Thank you very much again for your help!
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[20:43:54] sutula: Has anyone gotten the eDATA DEC-200B (Infrared Remote Control W/ Receiver & Blaster) to work with myth? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880125001
[20:44:20] wagnerrp: sutula: if it works with LIRC, it works with mythtv
[20:44:21] sutula: I don't see mention of it at lirc.org...just wondering if anyone here tried it
[20:44:37] Shadow__X: ok Dagmar i got it to work but i ned to use x11 how do i get mythtv to use it
[20:44:49] Dagmar: You got what to work?
[20:44:54] Dagmar: Playing a video without X11?
[20:45:50] wagnerrp: well you know, you can always do asciivision in mplayer
[20:45:59] wh0Dat_: anyone have an example of converting an .mkv file to an .mpeg that i can play with mythtv internal player?
[20:46:20] wagnerrp: you can play the .mkv file with the internal player
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[20:46:54] wagnerrp: aside from that, ffmpeg should be able to convert the video without much difficulty
[20:47:04] Shadow__X: how do i get mythtv to use x11 because thats what plays video the best in mplayer
[20:47:11] wh0Dat_: well, not on my box. i need to transcode it into something my 1.86ghz cpu can handle.
[20:47:39] wagnerrp: my P3 laptop can handle matroska files just fine
[20:48:27] Dagmar: Shadow_X: It uses X11. That's X, dude.
[20:48:28] wh0Dat_: my cpu maxxes out on a lot of the scenes
[20:49:04] wagnerrp: that has nothing to do with the container
[20:49:33] wagnerrp: its because you have an h264 video stream within that matroska container, and a rather high bitrate one at that to max out an E6300
[20:49:58] Dagmar: TThis would be why we really need to sit down and start some torrents of some "test" files
[20:50:09] Shadow__X: heh
[20:50:27] Shadow__X: so how do i get mythtv to use x11 isntead of xv?
[20:50:33] Dagmar: "If these files will play, then yours are broken and you should stop downloading things from pirates who have no idea how to properly encode things"
[20:50:35] justinh: you don't
[20:50:38] stuarta: x11 is slower than xv
[20:50:49] Shadow__X: i cant use xv on my video card
[20:50:54] Dagmar: Yes you can
[20:51:03] Dagmar: IF you _fix your ATI driver_
[20:51:03] Shadow__X: i have an ati card
[20:51:05] stuarta: xv is 15–20 yr old technology
[20:51:22] stuarta: your card will still do it
[20:51:25] Dagmar: Until your ATI driver is straightened out, no amount of screwing around will make video play reliably
[20:51:27] Shadow__X: alright dagmar would you like me to use the fglrx driver then
[20:51:35] stuarta: it's the GL that's much newer and less well supported
[20:51:40] Dagmar: I'd like you to buy an nVidia card personally.
[20:51:45] Dagmar: I don't touch ATI card issues.
[20:51:51] Shadow__X: Dagmar, its a laptop
[20:51:59] Dagmar: ...or just read some websites and find out how to install the ATI drivers properly (and test them)
[20:53:09] Shadow__X: ok just for the sake of asking is there a way to use x11 to play videos like i can in mplayer
[20:54:40] Dagmar: You're already using X11.
[20:54:48] Dagmar: What mplayer calls that is not what it means
[20:55:05] Dagmar: It would be useful to you to peruse the mplayer docs and find out what it actually means by 'x11'.
[20:55:06] stuarta: have you tried looking at some output from the frontend with --verbose playback to see if there's any error messages?
[20:55:28] Dagmar: Let me just put this another way that should clear some stuff up...
[20:55:41] Dagmar: There will be no "easy" solution to your problem.
[20:55:57] Dagmar: You're not going to eb able to latch onto a keyword and just pound it into everything else and make it work.
[20:56:10] Dagmar: You're actually going to have to knuckle down and do some careful investigation
[20:56:33] Dagmar: I'm saying for the sake of your sanity that the _easiest_ solution is going to be to take a look at fixing your ATI video driver
[20:56:33] Shadow__X: heh thanks Dagmar i am sure that was dificult for you to say it that way
[20:56:37] Dagmar: It's not installed correctly.
[20:56:37] Shadow__X: i appreciate that
[20:56:55] Dagmar: Well, people bitch at me when I say something that isn't "Oh happy and light you'll get it fixed someday"
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[20:57:13] Dagmar: Fixing the ATI driver with luck might take 15–20 minutes
[20:57:31] Dagmar: Assuming you've got at least a 1Ghz laptop there, it should be able to play video fine
[20:57:39] i3ooi3oo: damn ati drive hosed my system last night
[20:57:47] Dagmar: Like, there should be no stuggle unless fglrx or DRI is just broken
[20:58:08] stuarta: i lived without dri for about 2 yrs
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[20:58:14] stuarta: and it worked just fine
[20:58:21] Dagmar: ...so carefully going through one of the ATI driver install guides and making sure all the things it tells you to do are already done will LIKELY turn up the breakage (which is probably DRI and/or it's kernel module)
[20:58:29] stuarta: thou i couldn't use the GL painter
[20:58:40] sutula: If anyone cares (probably not), I found the answer to my eDATA remote question in a NewEgg customer review: "Recognized as an mceusb2 device. Works flawlessly out of the box with mythbuntu." Google wins again. <o)
[20:58:52] justinh: :-O
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[20:58:56] Dagmar: stuarta: Yeah, but he's on a laptop, and the one laptop I have with an ATI chipset in it has crap for video performance in all aspects unless the driver is set up right
[20:59:01] justinh: somebody used google?!
[20:59:04] ** justinh faints **
[20:59:12] stuarta: Dagmar: fair enuf
[20:59:34] Dagmar: Part of the reason I don't "do" ATI issues is that I still don't know why the damn laptop I have started working properly.
[20:59:34] sutula: justinh: This channel is training me to, the hard way :)
[20:59:36] i3ooi3oo: my 2ghz p4 with 1gb ramm has a hard time with mvk
[21:00:09] i3ooi3oo: jfgi
[21:00:15] Shadow__X: the laptop has a c2d 2.16 it has alittle power
[21:00:17] i3ooi3oo: words to live by
[21:00:32] Shadow__X: and yeah Dagmar i have fought with ati drivers before
[21:00:46] Shadow__X: i had to get xgl for beryl back in the day
[21:00:48] ** i3ooi3oo has to fight with them tonight too **
[21:00:59] Shadow__X: its ok i know not everything is point and click
[21:01:01] Shadow__X: thats ok
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[21:02:05] wh0Dat_: wagnerrp: so i need to transcode this file into a lower bitrate?
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[21:02:52] Dagmar: Hell, if you managed to make Beryl work then it might take you all of 10 minutes to figure out what's wrong with your driver insdtallation
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[21:06:33] Shadow__X: yeah i am looking
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[21:18:03] lwizardl: hi has anyone added uPNP to MythTV?
[21:18:41] lwizardl: so that media extenders like the 360 can view mythtv content?
[21:18:41] stuarta: you been living under a rock?
[21:19:12] lwizardl: stuarta, last time i knew the 360 couldn't see a myth box
[21:19:49] stuarta: it currently works with quite a number of devices
[21:20:05] xand: the upnp "just works" for me, ish.
[21:20:14] xand: I don't have a 360 but vista can see it
[21:20:16] lwizardl: xand, with the xbox360?
[21:20:16] stuarta: don't know about the 360
[21:20:24] lwizardl: ah\
[21:20:49] lwizardl: see I currently have vista installed on my dvr box for my 360 to view the content
[21:21:36] teprrr: btw, if I set-up a regular recording, will it always record for the same length or is mythtv wise enough to record as long as the program goes?
[21:21:40] lwizardl: hmm # XBOX 360 At least as of trunk 17776M, this is streaming perfectly to XBOX 360 via UPnP.
[21:21:47] lwizardl: sweet
[21:22:01] teprrr: talking about movie nights, when a movie starts allways in the same time, but ending time may and will change
[21:23:24] lwizardl: teprrr, i think (don't ude myth currently) it uses the guide data to record so i would think it would auto know it ends at like 9:05pm instead of 9:00pm
[21:23:32] lwizardl: *use
[21:23:51] stuarta: yes it's based on the program data
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[21:24:44] lwizardl: which would be why you need to have a schedules direct account for USA tv use
[21:26:00] lwizardl: anyone use the twinhan cards ?
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[21:52:07] dustybin: another reason why im not going to bother with HD yet
[21:52:18] dustybin: think of all the good old films what were never recorded in HD
[21:52:31] dustybin: HD is only for new shit, and new shit is cack
[21:52:54] dustybin: i rekon my CRT will last another 3–4 years
[21:53:01] dustybin: probably longer
[21:53:07] dustybin: 10–15 years
[21:53:29] jblack: "All of the good old films" were recorded in a higher resolution than NTSC. Unless you count made for tv movies, which most people think have always sucked.
[21:54:00] dustybin: jblack: here in UK we use PAL
[21:54:07] dustybin: what is the resolution of DVD
[21:54:11] jblack: It's stil lthe same story.
[21:54:29] dustybin: my CRT looks more than good enough for me
[21:54:40] jblack: DVD is 480i, I believe, and it's scaled down dramatically from motion picture release.
[21:54:46] lwizardl: because I think they are dustybin depends on standard 720x480 or 704x540 iirc
[21:54:47] dustybin: ok
[21:55:22] jblack: Film is usually around 4k-6k in resolution.
[21:55:28] lwizardl: oops forgot to remove the first part of another question i was asking
[21:56:04] lwizardl: is it ok to have multiple cards with the BT encoder chip in the same machine?
[21:56:55] jblack: lwizardl: Yeah, you're right. It's 720xX, where x is dependant upon pal or ntsc.
[21:57:26] dustybin: if you want to do HD properly, it is expensive
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[21:57:30] lwizardl: jblack, i have seen a few dvds with the video of 704x
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[21:57:56] dustybin: expensive frontend, expensive backend with lots of expensive disks, expensive HD displays
[21:58:10] dustybin: for just the odd BBC and ITV broadcase
[21:58:12] dustybin: = no wa
[21:58:12] dustybin: y
[21:58:13] lwizardl: jblack, but i think they was all indie stuff
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[22:09:59] jduggan: dustybin: HD isnt neccessarily expensive
[22:10:48] jduggan: most peoples tv's do HD as standard, you can build a combination frontend/backend which can play HD for next to nothing
[22:12:45] lwizardl: jduggan, do you think my system (frontend & backend) would be able to handle HD properly
[22:13:04] jduggan: no idea on the spec of your system
[22:13:14] lwizardl: 2.6GHZ 64-Bit AMD X2, 1GB ram (expanding it to 4GB)
[22:13:34] lwizardl: NVidia 7300GS (512MB) video card
[22:13:54] jduggan: sounds like it should do the job
[22:13:57] dustybin: the most expensive part is the storage
[22:14:08] jduggan: dustybin: but storage is so cheap
[22:14:10] lwizardl: dustybin, yeah I have a 1TB on the way
[22:14:10] jduggan: :)
[22:14:32] dustybin: you need 4TB+ for a nice amount of HD storage
[22:14:44] dustybin: and if you want that backed up = more cost
[22:14:49] dustybin: raid = more cost
[22:15:13] lwizardl: dustybin, yeah but i figured that 1TB would work for me for a while since most of the HD stuff I have currently is re-encodes
[22:15:21] dustybin: hmm
[22:15:53] lwizardl: I've got like 5 files that are in native .ts format
[22:16:05] lwizardl: rest is either mkv wmv or avi
[22:16:12] dustybin: k
[22:16:42] lwizardl: and the .ts files are from 9.7gb to 15gb in size
[22:16:51] jduggan: dustybin: really depends if youre a file squirrel
[22:16:54] jduggan: :)
[22:17:23] dustybin: hmm
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[22:30:46] Ojg: hello, what program do you guys recommend to use to stream music from your mythweb on windows ?
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[22:40:45] teprrr: lwizardl, ok, thanks
[22:41:07] teprrr: lwizardl, though I'm using eit data (dvb, europe).. but will check it out and see whether it works :)
[22:42:24] Shadow__X: ok Dagmar now i got the driver working right but mythtv is giving me issues
[22:42:42] Dagmar: Okay, what issues
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[22:43:38] lwizardl: teprrr, no problem, i'm trying to get my mythtv setup working correctly but 2 of my cards are problematic
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[22:44:15] Shadow__X: well when it loads the loading screen splits down the middle until it finishs loading then when it does and i goto watch any recording it does the same thing as it did while loading
[22:48:58] Shadow__X: screenshot?
[22:49:03] Shadow__X: i tried to explain it the best i can
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[22:55:54] Shadow__X: any ideas
[22:56:09] Shadow__X: and i see menu transitions but some menus dont load
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[23:02:10] frnknbean: how likely can a person not familar with linux set up Myth tv?
[23:02:38] directhex: with difficukty
[23:02:42] Dagmar: 20%
[23:02:48] directhex: easier with a mythtv distribution than a normal one though
[23:02:51] Dagmar: Using MythBuntu or KnoppMyth, probably 90%
[23:03:09] Dagmar: ...mainly becuase they "either work or they don't"
[23:03:43] frnknbean: ok thanks.
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[23:05:44] Shadow__X: well well now
[23:05:49] Shadow__X: hmm
[23:06:06] Shadow__X: i can run myth fe
[23:06:12] Shadow__X: but video is messed up
[23:06:20] Shadow__X: so now its a myth issue
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[23:07:04] Shadow__X: if i goto utilities setup
[23:07:07] Shadow__X: then setup again
[23:07:14] Shadow__X: and select appearance
[23:07:18] Shadow__X: i just stays there
[23:07:30] Shadow__X: but connecting to it through vnc gives me the menu
[23:08:05] Dagmar: This will not work properly over VNX.
[23:08:10] Dagmar: er VNC.
[23:08:38] Dagmar: Do not attempt to use the frontend remotely. *sigh/8
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[23:08:44] Shadow__X: no
[23:08:54] Shadow__X: read it again
[23:09:08] Shadow__X: on the machine once i goto appearance it just stays there
[23:09:11] Dagmar: Read what I said again then
[23:09:29] Dagmar: Whether or not you can do something over VNC doesn't mean a thing since you can't use the frontend over VNC. It won't work right.
[23:09:44] Shadow__X: fine then what can i do to make the frontend work
[23:10:07] Dagmar: Use a binary that's not broken.
[23:10:11] Dagmar: Which one are you using now?
[23:10:18] Shadow__X: the newest one from ati
[23:10:29] Shadow__X: video plays now
[23:10:29] Dagmar: You got a mythfrontend binary from ATI?
[23:10:42] Shadow__X: oh you meant front end binary
[23:10:46] Shadow__X: i got it from the ubuntu repo
[23:11:46] Dagmar: I've never even heard of the frontend setup menus breaking.
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[23:15:47] Dagmar: I can't think of anything other than a really severely ill mysqld that could cause that
[23:16:35] Shadow__X: well another mythfront end is fine
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[23:19:34] Shadow__X: hmm
[23:19:42] Shadow__X: i took a screen shot and that looked fine
[23:19:56] Shadow__X: and it looked fine through vnc so i guess its just the driver again
[23:20:48] Dagmar: The frontend menus are relatively boring Qt code
[23:23:44] Shadow__X: so then why did it look like it was interlaced then each interlace block was pulled intermittently to the left or right
[23:24:24] Shadow__X: a line would appear down my screen and it would react like it did above on both sides
[23:28:17] laga: are you using an interlaced mode? with the free drivers?
[23:30:35] Shadow__X: i am using the latest ati driver
[23:30:51] Shadow__X: 8.7
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[23:31:29] laga: ah, okay. then my problem doesn't apply ;)
[23:31:44] Shadow__X: whats your problem
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[23:38:07] Lexridge: Everytime I reboot my backend machine, my tuners randomly swap positions. One boot, my hvr1600 is card 0, the next time, it may be card 1. This has a tendency to screw up my scheduled recordings. Anyone know how to "fix" this?
[23:38:21] Dagmar: udev hackery
[23:38:35] Dagmar: ...but I'm not clear on how to nail those entries down myself for anything otehr than NICs and disks
[23:38:56] Lexridge: humm, I guess I could manually create the /dev/video entries on boot...maybe.
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[23:39:38] Lexridge: guess I need to do some reading on udev.
[23:41:16] abqjp: Lexridge: with newer drivers you can put something in your modprobe.conf file telling the driver which /dev/videoX to use. It is something like "options ivtv video_nr=2" (but that is not it).
[23:42:12] Lexridge: okay, cool. I'll research that. modprobe.conf should have occured to me. Thanks!
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[23:44:53] Lexridge: Okay, something else too: When I run "scan -U -A1 /usr/share/dvb/us-Cable-EIA-542-IRC-center-frequencies-QAM256", I get 12 "hits", but when I run the scan from MythTv, I get none.
[23:45:33] abqjp: Lexridge, Actually, I was pretty close: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . #post3079655
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[23:46:12] Dagmar: Damn iamlindoro neesd to spend less time offline
[23:46:16] Dagmar: I want to see his reaction to http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/07/21/
[23:47:37] abqjp: iamlindoro is off being a "camp counselor".
[23:47:49] Dagmar: Ah that's right
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[23:48:51] Lexridge: abqjp: Thanks for the link. That should fix this problem.
[23:49:23] Dagmar: There's a more general way to do it with udev, but it's about 10x more complex than that
[23:49:31] Dagmar: Definitely go with the module options.  :)
[23:50:01] Lexridge: dagmar: yea, much easier fix!
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[23:50:35] Lexridge: Actually, I think this problem cropped up after I did a kernel update last week.
[23:53:37] Dagmar: No, it'll have been there
[23:53:42] Shadow__X: ok
[23:53:43] Dagmar: It just hadn't manifested yet
[23:53:49] Shadow__X: so i can watch any video on mplayer
[23:53:52] Shadow__X: perfect
[23:54:05] Dagmar: Enumeration of devices on the PCI and USB buses *usually* comes out in the same order each boot, but this is *not* a guaranteed behaviour.
[23:54:11] Dagmar: Things get even more fun with SATA disks
[23:54:13] Shadow__X: i go into mythtv and when i am at the watch recordings menu i hit enter
[23:54:16] Shadow__X: and nothing happens
[23:54:27] Lexridge: Dagmar: Yea, I've been to SATA hell and back!
[23:54:40] Shadow__X: i hit enter again and i hear a recording startying play
[23:54:40] Dagmar: Shadow__X: Your problem sounds more like there's an issuw with SQL
[23:54:52] Shadow__X: but i am still at the watch recordings menu
[23:54:56] Dagmar: Shadow__X: That shouldn't bring up any video. It should bring up a list of what's recorded.
[23:55:02] Dagmar: again... boring ass Qt code there.
[23:55:12] Dagmar: For it to stop there is just _weird_
[23:55:51] Shadow__X: Dagmar, ok but when its still hanging on that menu i can vnc into the machine and i see the listing of all the recordings where on the host computer its still on the original menu
[23:55:52] Lexridge: Shadow_X: It could also be that myth's database is looking at the wrong /video directory too.
[23:55:55] Shadow__X: how does that owrk
[23:56:02] Dagmar: Watch Recordings should definitely not launch any playback otehr than the little preview window for whatever option in the list is currently selected
[23:56:24] Shadow__X: hmm maybe i am not explaing it right
[23:56:27] Shadow__X: ok
[23:56:28] Dagmar: Shadow__X: So, I'll say this again. I'll be more explicit this time.
[23:56:36] Dagmar: VNC has jack and shit to do with any of this.
[23:56:41] Dagmar: It's not really telling you anything new.
[23:56:41] Shadow__X: its not a sql issue
[23:56:45] Shadow__X: i know its a x issue
[23:56:57] Dagmar: Yeah, but these aren't issues of anything relating to accelerated X.
[23:57:04] Shadow__X: more importantly between my video card and mythtv
[23:57:09] Dagmar: The driver itself might still be _completely_ on fire, but...
[23:57:19] Dagmar: The places you're having it screw up aren't video-centric.
[23:57:29] Shadow__X: hmm
[23:57:45] Dagmar: "Drop back and punt" with say, the VESA driver or the free ATI driver htat ships with Xorg and has no accelleration
[23:58:07] Shadow__X: i am using the fglrx driver
[23:58:11] Shadow__X: 8.7
[23:58:16] Dagmar: 'cuz if this is an X problem you're having, it's a very, very, very broken driver that would/could cause _these_ particular symptoms
[23:58:38] Dagmar: So use VESA if you don't know which driver I'm talking about
[23:58:53] Shadow__X: vesa doesnt work at all
[23:59:55] Lexridge: Shadow__X: I'm a little confused....I take what you said as you can watch stuff you recorded with MythTV in mplayer just fine....is that correct?

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