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Saturday, August 2nd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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directhex:

or, indeed, at all

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iamlindoro:

Well, glad we got to the bottom of that one :)

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iamlindoro:

another satisfied customer!

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iamlindoro:

NEXT!

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exburn:

i read that the "all in wonder" cards were not supported but the "tv wonder" cards are

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iamlindoro:

not that one, nope

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iamlindoro:

oh well, off to buy a decent card

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exburn:

NOTE: The ATI All-in-Wonder cards (which are not the same as the ATI TV Wonder, TV Wonder VE or TV Wonder Pro) will not work as a MythTV capture device because the GATOS http://gatos.sourceforge.net drivers that are available provide only a limited subset of the V4L API. The TV Wonder series of cards are supported by the Bt8x8 Video4Linux driver.

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directhex:

oh dea

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directhex:

r

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iamlindoro:

exburn: Once again, *that* card, the 550, is not supported in linux.

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iamlindoro:

Care to try for three times?

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directhex:

the "ati tv wonder" is about 10 years old

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directhex:

probably more

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iamlindoro:

I predict 100% of my ire will be activated if you do

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exburn:

are you tell me the reast of the series is suported but not the 550 wtf

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directhex:

they resurrected the brand, 10 years after the ancient (shite) cards

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directhex:

with a new custom ASIC for which no docs exist

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iamlindoro:

I'm telling you that random ATI cards are somewhat supported, but even those few that are are extremely broken. So yes, that's that I'm telling you.

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iamlindoro:

That that card, outside of you sitting down and writing a driver, will not work

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exburn:

well fuck, it said it was supoorted on mythtv.org so i went and bought one god damnit

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directhex:

where did it say the tv wonder 550 was supported?

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directhex:

i'd like to see that text

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iamlindoro:

Why would you buy such an ancient card, even if HAD been supported?

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directhex:

because god knows little details like numbers or letters make no difference in technology

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iamlindoro:

lord

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directhex:

on a related note, want to swap a 9800gx2 for a 5200fx? they're close enough

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iamlindoro:

Hell, even the PVR-x50 cards, which are decent, are on the low end these days

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exburn:

??

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I hear they're both radeons!

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Muct be the same thing, righ?

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iamlindoro:

er Must, right

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exburn:

So what woukld you recomend

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directhex:

exburn, the theatre 550 pro chip, as used on the mdoern tv wonder 550 pci, is a custom-designed chip with zero linux support, and no documentation for writing one. it's a million miles from mid ninties cards using the ancient brooktree chips, which kinda almost worked via bt8x8

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iamlindoro:

So looks like you just want to capture analog SD, so I'll go... a PVR-150 or 500

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directhex:

iamlindoro, tim to patch the docs, to mention the 550/650 chips have 0 support either?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, personally i look at things like model numbers, but hey ho

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I demand you list all cards without support!

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iamlindoro:

ALL of them!

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iamlindoro:

Starting with the 8086 MFM controller board, and ending with the BlackMagic Intensity Pro!

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exburn:

well i have digital cable from comcast, my myth box is a proliant quad 1.6 xeon with 4 gigs of ram

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directhex:

digital cable with an analog tuner?

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iamlindoro:

That's US "digital cable" with the quotation marks, where they still leave 80 or so channels in analog

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exburn:

isnt everything go digital

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exburn:

going*

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iamlindoro:

Oh here comes that tale again

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exburn:

just a ?

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iamlindoro:

exburn: Much as the cable companies might like to convince you otherwise, the Digital cutover in Feb 2009 only affect broadcast (that is to say, antenna) signals

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iamlindoro:

so they can run all the confusing and deceptive commercials they like, but cable is under no obligation to remove analog next year, nor are they likely to... in fact, they have to keep some analog support until 2011

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kothog:

wow, the attitudes are scorching. :( mythtv.org says TV Wonder cards are supported, here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tuner_Card. It lists "TV Wonder", Pro, and VE as working under mythtv. The most the wiki appears to do to warn people off the TV Wonder is, "I can't recommend this card. – Random guy whose importance is unclear."

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exburn:

so HAUPPAUGE is the way to go

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directhex:

kothog, the 550 is not listed on that page

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iamlindoro:

kothog: There's a difference between a TV Wonder and a TV Wonder 550-- just as there's a difference between the old Hauppauge WinTV and the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150

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kothog:

i have three hauppauge card. two 250 (before the 250 became a 150) and then a 150. Get a recent Hauppauge 150, it comes with a nicer remote.

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kothog:

directhex: Specific model numbers in a series are included in the series unless the series is limited to other models. A is a valid subset of B.

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iamlindoro:

and the *recency* of the 150 has nothing to do with it. The regular 150 still comes with the same remote and receiver as always... the *MCE* edition comes with the USB IR receiver

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iamlindoro:

So once again the extra letters and numbers are relevant

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directhex:

kothog, so a pvr-150 and a wintv are the same thing?

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kothog:

iamlindoro: incorrect. the remote control is larger and has more buttons in recent 150s. the small grey one from the old 250s sucks.

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iamlindoro:

kothog: Now you're companing the 150 and 250 remote, which has nothing to do with what you said

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directhex:

kothog, despite different technology, chips, drivers, and hardware support. if someone says "intv cards are good", that applies to all cards, such as the hvr4000?

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kothog:

iamlindoro: additionally, the range from which the newer black remotes is significantly larger than the smaller grey ones.

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kothog:

iamlindoro: you mean except for the part where I list two different hauppauge models?

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iamlindoro:

Since you said "get a recent 150", one presumes you were comparing it against a *non* recent 150

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kothog:

directhex: to a reader, even one who knows that there are sub-models within a series, a wiki page saying that the *series* is supported can be reasonably interpreted to mean that individual models *within* that series should work.

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kothog:

iamlindoro: except for the part where I mention that the 250 became the 150?

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iamlindoro:

The 250 *didn't* become the 150

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directhex:

kothog, how do you define a series? is "geforce" a series, or a brand?

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iamlindoro:

directhex: This guy is a waste of time, time for /ignore

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directhex:

kothog, "geforce" means as much as "tv wonder". for a brief time, it WAS a series

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exburn:

to many choices

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kothog:

directhex: I realise you're having problems comprehending the issue here, but I'm not going to define an analogous series so you can pick through it with a fine-toothed comb and tell me how one is made with tantalum caps while one is made with niobium.

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directhex:

kothog, you're talking utter shite, you know

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kothog:

the functionality of the 150 was once provided by the older 250 models.

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directhex:

kothog, and idiots like yourself are actively harmful

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kothog:

I have two 250 models with single tuners in a mythbox at home.

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kothog:

and I wanted a single-tuner model, which is only provided by the 150 now, isn't it?

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kothog:

directhex: did I call you an idiot?

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kothog:

directhex: nice attitude bro.

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iamlindoro:

or the 1600, or the PVR-USB, or any othe Hauppauge WinTV single tuner

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directhex:

fuck this.

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directhex:

i wonder if that over-simple ignore mask works

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kothog:

iamlindoro: true enough.

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iamlindoro:

directhex: only one way to find out!

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exburn:

i wont internet streamsa work

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squish102:

exburn i have an ati HD tv wonder working in mythtv

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kothog:

i am always amused when people like you two (who presumably can't hear me now) assume an innocent newb should know something arcane when the wiki makes no such mention. the fix is clear: update the wiki. instead you sit there and berate the innocent newb. i mean, elitist ivory tower shitheads aren't the best ambassadors: why even bother repsonding?

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exburn:

shows me diff catigories then diff shit to pick from then it act like its gonna do something and backs off

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Which is yet *another* card and product name

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squish102:

yip, i think i need to update the wiki if it says not supported

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kothog:

just plug a note in recommending users comb the mailing list for specific model numbers before assuming.

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iamlindoro:

squish102: No, it shows that it's supported

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kothog:

... before assuming they're supported even.

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squish102:

ahh col

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squish102:

although the strangest thing was if u wanted unencryped QAM u need to plug it into the cable conn and not the HD conn

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exburn:

so what kind of card sould i get if i want HD suport in the future

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kothog:

find out what devices you have, what kind of HD support you need, and buy a card that matches it. good luck, though: depending on where you are and who your provider is, things can be pretty different.

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exburn:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150_W . . . cmdZViewItem

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kothog:

that one seems to have a third kind of remote, which I've never used before.

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kothog:

but it does come with an IR blaster! that's cool.

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lyricnz:

This might be slightly off topic, but you guys might know. I just updated from Fedora 8 to Fedora 9, and now mplayer is showing tearing when playing videos. CPU load is low, so it's not out of horsepower. Is there some vsync setting or somethign that I need in: X? mplayer? ??

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directhex:

4/7 done. now i sleep.

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Dagmar:

Well, basically you need to enable vsync.

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Dagmar:

HOW you do that with mplayer, I've no idea.

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Dagmar:

Do you know what "vsync" means? It might resolve some of your confusion.

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kothog:

lyricnz: man mplayer, and then pattern-search for "tear"

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lyricnz:

ack

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kothog:

lyricnz: check the cli option "-vsync" or, you could try to use a different output "device" like sdl. sdl works in almost all cases for me.

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lyricnz:

better than xv?

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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kothog:

lyricnz: no, xv is more of a direct output, with less cpu involved.

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Dagmar:

SDL might work without tearing likely because it has it's own controls

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kothog:

lyricnz: however, because it uses surface blitting, it might do the trick for you.

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lyricnz:

man mplayer only mentions tearing for directfb

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kothog:

lyricnz: I tend to get tearing on machines that need video driver updates. you're on a geforce?

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lyricnz:

yeah, nv 6600 or something

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kothog:

lyricnz: did you grab a recent driver set?

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lyricnz:

It's got current nv drivers, glxgears gets > 6000fps, so I reckon everything is working fine

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lyricnz:

no errors in xorg.0.log

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lyricnz:

iirc it didn't do this before I upgraded

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kothog:

tried -vo sdl yet?

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kothog:

mplayer -vo sdl -vf eq=10:10 filename.ext

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lyricnz:

wife is watching tv now, will need to try later.

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kothog:

hrm.. only tearing issues I had were fixed with a driver update direct from the nvidia website; but fiddling around manually with that sort of thing can be a bit of a pain.

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kothog:

and in my case it seemed as though the machine was idle, but system was at 100% of a single cpu.

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lyricnz:

my system is all fedora+livna RPMs. never had a problem before, and the driver seems to be working OK

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kothog:

tearing suggests a frame copy problem though. that would be less likely if mplayer was successfully writing to the xv overlay without having X fiddle around in the middle.

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kothog:

guess you've already searched the fedora forums

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lyricnz:

I didn't see any issues on mplayer console

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squish102:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . ux&num=1 any1 on the alpha test for boxee?

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kothog:

mplayer wouldn't be complaining about it so long as the data was getting through.

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** lyricnz is googling like hell now. This seems like such a noob issues, I'm stunned I can't fix it yet :) **

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kothog:

meh, just one more of those niggling issues that, once solved, no one follows-up on.

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Dagmar:

Well, now you see part of the reason we just recommend people use Internal instead of MPlayer

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lyricnz:

wife doesn't even notice, but it really bugs me

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kothog:

so you're using mplayer for all video then?

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kothog:

or does the tearing happen on Internal too?

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lyricnz:

yeah. system needs to be user-friendly, and switching players for different content aint

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Dagmar:

If it does, there's a checkbox to enable vsync in the frontend config menus

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lyricnz:

all mplayer, have never tried built-in, because codec stuff is a hassle

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Dagmar:

LOL

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Dagmar:

Dude

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Dagmar:

There's going to be very little difference in the codec support between MPlayer and external

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Dagmar:

er s/external/internal/

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Dagmar:

The internal player invokes ffmpeg, which is (guess what) what MPlayer also uses

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lyricnz:

Heheh, I don't think it _had_ internal when I set it up :)

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Dagmar:

The only differences between them basically happen based on what changes happen in ffmpeg until Myth grabs new source to get synced up to it

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clever:

Dagmar: but the ffmpeg revision/branch may differ

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Dagmar:

lyricnz: you've ALWAYS had internal, since like 0.20

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Dagmar:

"Internal"

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kothog:

mplayer can have a codecs.conf override..

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** lyricnz has had mythtv since way before that **

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Dagmar:

clever: I'm pretty sure that's covered by what I just said

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

we just typed it at once

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Dagmar:

lyricnz: Well, give it a shot. Change the player to "Internal" (capitalization is likely important) and it shouold work for just about everything

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lyricnz:

will do

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lyricnz:

I notice livna started distributing decent mythtv rpms now, which is great, I don't have to built my own anymore ;)

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Dagmar:

I think I've seen people getting errors using lowercase 'i' so there's a post-it on my box to remind me to look into that this weekend. Making it case-agnostic is something even my piddling C powers can do

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lyricnz:

I guess I switched at the same time

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kothog:

Dagmar: Internal uses more CPU on wimpy machines with the interface overlay. If I use mplayer and invoke it with some minimal options, my system doesn't choke on the two incoming ivtv streams. :(

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lyricnz:

kothog: I got rid of my pvr-350 years ago :)

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lyricnz:

Man that was expensive

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Dagmar:

Your system should never choke on incoming ivtv streams unless it's a 200Mhz Geode system

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clever:

my 1.6ghz chokes on ivtv if its under heavy swapping

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lyricnz:

Swap? hahah.

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Dagmar:

clever: Yes but that's becuase you seem to be able to break everything

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kothog:

Dagmar: duron 1.2ghz.

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clever:

lyricnz: my swap was on a 10mb/sec drive

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Dagmar:

kothog: Should be fine.

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clever:

damn 40pin ide cable:P

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lyricnz:

My 800Mhz EPIA did fine with pvr-350, no problem

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Dagmar:

kothog: I don't know if you noticed, but the reason we like those PVR cards and ivtv is becuse they're hardware accellerated.

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Dagmar:

kothog: ...by which I mean the tuner card does ALL the work

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jpabq:

clever, I just added a patch to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5443 which adds a DeviceReadBuffer thread to mpegrecorder. You could try it.....

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Dagmar:

The only thing recording an ivtv stream entails is less complex than copying a file off a USB thumbdrive.

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kothog:

Dagmar: usually is. long as I keep the system process list clean. (and the shuffling of data through to an lvm2 partition can be rough for a system like mine, made of patchwork variably-sized drives.)

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Dagmar:

jpabq: You are insane

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clever:

jpabq: im usign an sd stream, pvr-150

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jpabq:

clever, yes, the pvr-x50 cards use mpegrecorder just like the new HD-PVR.

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clever:

ahh nice

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kothog:

Dagmar: yea, I know it just provides an mpeg stream and ivtv passes it up; but before I rebuilt stuff by hand, two full bitrate streams and the other machine (slave) gave me breaks in my shows.

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lyricnz:

I suppose I could put the pvr-350 back in, but there's only 1 channel I can't get in free-digital

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lyricnz:

ANd it's more-or-less community tv

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Dagmar:

kothog: Dude that's crazy

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Dagmar:

kothog: Are we going to have an "OMG" moment like we did with clever when he found out why you don't use 40-pin IDE cables?

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Dagmar:

You're using all 80-pin IDE cables and have reasonable disk throughput, right?>

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clever:

im still using that 40 atm, havent gotten arround to replacing it

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clever:

but i moved my swap to the 80 hdd so it will swap faster

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** lyricnz chuckles **

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Dagmar:

I still say you're lucky the kernel is more careful about that than it used to be

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jpabq:

clever, I am hoping someone can try that patch with a PVR-x50 card, to make sure I did not break anything there. Daniel said he may have time this weekend.

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dustybin:

clever: what computer projects you got lined up these days?

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Dagmar:

jpabq: Oh now I see the method in your madness.

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kothog:

Dagmar: hehe no, I know what I'm doing. I roll my own kernel patches. :) DMA's enabled, etc etc. But the lvm2 partition can only withstand so much throughput on that machine, xfs or no.

[01:07:47]

clever:

dustybin: i got another slave backend to transcode:P

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clever:

dustybin: running inside my xp system

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dustybin:

aye interesting

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dustybin:

:-S

[01:08:12]

clever:

but it isnt a win32 build

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dustybin:

pretends he didnt read that

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Dagmar:

$(INST_LIB) $(DESTINSTALLPRIVLIB) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_ARCHLIB) $(DESTINSTALLARCHLIB) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_BIN) $(DESTINSTALLBIN) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_SCRIPT) $(DESTINSTALLSCRIPT) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_MAN1DIR) $(DESTINSTALLMAN1DIR) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_MAN3DIR) $(DESTINSTALLMAN3DIR)

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Dagmar:

$(NOECHO) $(WARN_IF_OLD_PACKLIST) \

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Dagmar:

$(SITEARCHEXP)/auto/$(FULLEXT)

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Dagmar:

pure_site_install ::

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Dagmar:

$(NOECHO) $(MOD_INSTALL) \

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Dagmar:

read $(SITEARCHEXP)/auto/$(FULLEXT)/.packlist \

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Dagmar:

write $(DESTINSTALLSITEARCH)/auto/$(FULLEXT)/.packlist \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_LIB) $(DESTINSTALLSITELIB) \

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Dagmar:

$(INST_ARCHLIB) $(DESTINSTALLSITEARCH) \

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clever:

dustybin: im running the exact same linux binarys on the win32

[01:09:00]

Dagmar:

root@mythtv:/tmp/tmp/Parse-Yapp-1.05# find /tmp/foo

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iamlindoro:

This has to be an accident

[01:09:02]

Dagmar:

*facepalm*

[01:09:07]

clever:

Dagmar: so i have to remind you about pastebin?

[01:09:15]

dustybin:

clever: why do you need to transcode?

[01:09:27]

clever:

dustybin: because i have 7gig free

[01:09:31]

Dagmar:

What? You thinkg I wanted to paste in some crazy shit from some RedHat 4 RPMs?

[01:09:51]

dustybin:

clever: dont you think it would be more clever to build a NAS

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kothog:

/dev/sda 5859966976 1221162680 4638804296 21% /v

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** kothog ducks. **

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clever:

dustybin: im using colinux to run a linux kernel inside xp

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dustybin:

pretends he didnt read that

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clever:

dustybin: inside that is a plain ubuntu 7.10 install which runs the same binarys as every other slave system

[01:10:33]

dustybin:

pretends he didnt read that

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clever:

lol

[01:10:45]

** lyricnz needs a new PSU, half my disks are sitting on my desk. **

[01:11:01]

kothog:

lyricnz: don't forget to get a silent one. :)

[01:11:27]

dustybin:

clever: what kind of shit happens inside your mind? :P

[01:11:43]

clever:

dustybin: depends on how you define 'shit'

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lyricnz:

Yeah, I need to build a dedicated frrontend someday, and get my disks into the garage

[01:12:38]

dustybin:

clever: you are totally original, thats for sure

[01:12:51]

Dagmar:

mmm...

[01:12:54]

Dagmar:

yummy ritalin

[01:13:08]

clever:

ive been put on similar stuff before:P

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iamlindoro:

Quelle suprise

[01:14:43]

dustybin:

Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder?

[01:14:55]

clever:

dont remember what exactly they claimed i had

[01:14:55]

Dagmar:

No, you don't say!

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lyricnz:

Crap! /me just just $300 in a hand of poker

[01:15:22]

clever:

just just?

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lyricnz:

playing while we're talking :)

[01:15:31]

dustybin:

lost lost?

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lyricnz:

gone gone

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Dagmar:

You must be making pretty good money to afford to throw away $300

[01:17:08]

** lyricnz shrugs. I'm _really_ bored :) **

[01:18:08]

dustybin:

if you look down this list at the TL-LINK TL-WN651G, would you say thats a pretty good card to get: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/TP-Link#TL-WN651G

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dustybin:

Dagmar: heres some underground textfiles: http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/

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lyricnz:

Anyone know if the dvico dual digital 4 works properly in .AU now?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: a) I probably read most of those when they were new and b) I think I've met the guy who runs that site

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crayolarx:

Anyone successfully setup lirc with a Logitech Harmony 1000? Seems like no one has done it yet from searches. I guess cause the remote costs like $500 lol

[01:57:08]

PatrickDK:

and the other thing is, what is the point?

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PatrickDK:

why have a fully customizable remote

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PatrickDK:

when you have a fully customizable device

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PatrickDK:

you only need one of them to be customizable

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kothog:

that's what he's asking about isn't it?

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PatrickDK:

nope

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PatrickDK:

he asked if anyone has done it

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iamlindoro:

crayolarx: Many people have-- most people have it emulate the codeset of the MCEUSB remote, or the Hauppauge remotes

[01:58:40]

PatrickDK:

I answered the why most haven't

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kothog:

he's asking whether anyone successfully setup lirc with it. getting it working means either getting lirc (the customisable device) to read it, or getting it to output something lirc can read?

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crayolarx:

ok thanks iamlindoro I will take a look at MCEUSB remote codeset

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PatrickDK:

he has atleast two issues

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PatrickDK:

if his receiver is limited to specific codes or not

[02:00:11]

PatrickDK:

and getting lirc setup for the receiver, and the codes the receiver allowed + codes the remote transmits

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crayolarx:

My receiver works fine with the remote

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PatrickDK:

oh well, I'm leaving. have a long day tomorrow at the amusement park

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kothog:

night PatrickDK.

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crayolarx:

night

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kothog:

crayolarx: i guess I can see why people tend not to understand how anyone would pay $500 for a device when you could, instead, have a dozen individual remotes for a fraction of the price cluttering up your sofa.

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Dagmar:

1 One4All URC9660 Remote: $14.

[02:05:26]

IceWewe:

hello, I'd like help with mythtv and svn

[02:05:32]

Dagmar:

1 High-Powered Serial IR Transciever: $30.

[02:05:46]

IceWewe:

svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'

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IceWewe:

svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.mythtv.org)

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crayolarx:

hehe yeah but the harmony 1000 has pretty touch screen pictures :P

[02:07:47]

kothog:

Dagmar: some people don't care about the money either, dude. :)

[02:09:20]

crayolarx:

yes like my brother(who I live with) who makes a shitload of money. I make decent money too as Linux Admin, but he makes even more than me.

[02:09:54]

kothog:

what's he do?

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crayolarx:

Delivers bread, but he clears about $110k a year. Who would have known putting bread on a shelf could make you so much money.

[02:11:37]

doje:

hi all, while watching live tv, myth often requests to change the channel to record something even though there are tuners free and the recording show "any input"

[02:11:56]

doje:

how can I fix this ?

[02:12:13]

Dagmar:

$500 for a remote control is retarded money

[02:12:40]

IceWewe:

remote control?

[02:12:42]

Dagmar:

I say "retarded" because it's compensating for the user being too damn stupid to figure out how to use a $20 programmable remote properly.

[02:12:44]

IceWewe:

I get up and change the channel

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IceWewe:

it's exercise

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kothog:

not for someone who wants the ease of use to go with it. i simply admit the possibility that it could be attractive to people to whom money amounts that small are irrelevant.

[02:13:12]

kothog:

could be a time issue..

[02:13:13]

Dagmar:

kothog: They're paying someone else so they can be retarded.

[02:13:14]

Dagmar:

We get it.

[02:13:54]

Dagmar:

It's not a "time issue" any more than those idiots using Glider on World of Warcraft were using it to "get past the grindy parts"

[02:13:56]

iamlindoro:

doje: There is a tickbox in General TV Settings called "Avoid Conflicts between liveTV and Scheduled shows." Turn it on.

[02:14:39]

crayolarx:

Actually it is much harder to setup a $500 remote than a $100 one. We have had them both, so I don't know how that makes you retarded.

[02:16:19]

Dagmar:

You're the one who paid $500 for something that was hard to use.

[02:16:20]

Dagmar:

You tell us.

[02:16:57]

kothog:

Dagmar: we differ in one simple respect: I am willing to accept that there could be a legitimate reason for a $500 remote for some people: whether it's a time issue, a functionality issue, or whatever. I don't think it's useful to call the guy's brother retarded just because money means something different to him.

[02:16:58]

crayolarx:

I didn't pay $500 for a remote

[02:17:45]

Dagmar:

Next time, go to Vegas and spend $500 on strippers.

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iamlindoro:

\o/ strippers!

[02:18:02]

Dagmar:

I guarantee you'll be swearing that no remote control could compete with that, for the rest of your life.

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Dagmar:

NOT slot machines, _strippers_

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iamlindoro:

Especially if you're one of the Aspie shutins from #mythtv-users

[02:18:53]

Dagmar:

You put a dollar in a slot machine, you might win, you probably won't, and the machine will twinkle and play a little tune for you. Mainly you'll lose.

[02:19:08]

kothog:

and that's different from a stripper how?

[02:19:10]

Dagmar:

You put a dollar in a G-string and YOU WIN EVERY FREAKIN' TIME! WH00H))!

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crayolarx:

The remote was free for me, so I am not going to go out and buy a shittier remote just because Dagmar thinks it is retarded. That is like saying here is a multi million dollar home for free, but you would say no I don't want that I want to pay for a cheaper one.

[02:20:09]

Dagmar:

Can I interest you in some high quality ethernet cables for connecting audio components?

[02:20:25]

Dagmar:

http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

[02:20:42]

Dagmar:

A steal at a mere $499 for a six foot model.

[02:20:57]

Dagmar:

Customers wanting 12" lengths should call for current prices.

[02:21:23]

kothog:

sarcasm and belligerence.

[02:21:25]

kothog:

nice.

[02:21:26]

crayolarx:

Is this your sales pitch for your website? lol

[02:21:51]

iamlindoro:

If denon.com were Dagmar's web site, he wouldn't have a problem with $500 remotes

[02:22:03]

Dagmar:

No it's just showing that there's plenty of people willing to chare ludicrous prices for common things to people with more money than brains.

[02:22:31]

crayolarx:

iamlindoro, exactly

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Dagmar:

...and it only takes a few _suckers_ to make it pay off, or they wouldn't do it at al..

[02:22:48]

iamlindoro:

kothog, you must be new around here, given how you're writing off every regular who has solved *thousands* of problems in here... This will not make you well liked in here.

[02:23:00]

kothog:

I thought you had me on /ignore.

[02:23:22]

Dagmar:

$500 will hire you a neighborhood kid to sit in front of the TV and push the buttons for you, for two months most places.

[02:23:29]

iamlindoro:

Every person whose attitude you don't like is among the core support group in here-- this is how we do it in here. If you don't like it, then #ubuntu-mythtv is very friendly I hear

[02:23:31]

kothog:

might as well keep it up. my problem is the ivory tower ignorance and cruelty shown to casual users who are otherwise polite and contrite.

[02:23:50]

Dagmar:

Hmm... mighty big words

[02:23:53]

Dagmar:

"ivory tower ignorance"

[02:24:15]

kothog:

you answered his question, which was nice. I was appreciative also, since my neighbour has one of those and is building a mythbox.

[02:24:16]

Dagmar:

Your parents had this same "ivory tower ignorance" when they told you "OMG DON'T TOUCH THE STOVE IT'LL BURN YOU!"

[02:25:01]

iamlindoro:

And like our attitudes or not, you are pissing off those of us who have been in here for *years* solving problems. When you've done some time and built some relationships, we all tease each other, but don't walk in and read the riot act to those who are the people who make this channel work, rather than the blind leading the blind.

[02:25:25]

Dagmar:

_Sense_ would dictate that if you're spending $500 on a remote you'd just throw more money at buying a top of the line TiVo and a few Tb of NAS to connect to it and have lots of free time.

[02:25:37]

iamlindoro:

Because if *we* weren't here correcting the downright *wrong* shit that gets said, then this would just be the Ubuntu forums.

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kothog:

the guy had a simple question. does he deserve to be denigrated for it when he has an otherwise friendly demeanour?

[02:27:45]

Dagmar:

What question was that?

[02:27:59]

iamlindoro:

The channel doesn't *need* a friendliness cop-- we have mods, if you don't like someone's behavior, why not complain to one of them, rather than appointing yourself Officer Friendly?

[02:28:09]

kothog:

"Anyone successfully setup lirc with a Logitech Harmony 1000?"

[02:28:17]

Dagmar:

...and how did we denigrate him for having this simple question?

[02:28:26]

kothog:

you called his family retarded..?

[02:28:55]

Dagmar:

No, I did not.

[02:28:58]

Dagmar:

You should learn to read.

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kothog:

"kothog: They're paying someone else so they can be retarded."

[02:29:24]

doje:

iamlindoro: thanks. any idea why that wouldn't be the default setting (just curious) ?

[02:29:29]

mzb_d800:

fryfrog: can confirm that LiveTV now works, thanks!

[02:29:31]

Dagmar:

Trust me, if I wanted to call him retarded, or his family retarded, or hell, even his whole country retarded, *I* wouldn't have a problem doing so.

[02:29:42]

iamlindoro:

doje: I don't know why-- I think someone has mentioned before but I just don't recall

[02:29:59]

iamlindoro:

doje: If I had to guess, it would be because none of the devs use LiveTV

[02:30:00]

kothog:

Dagmar: yes, I believe you. I also believe you wouldn't have a problem calling him retarded in a roundabout fashion either.

[02:30:12]

mzb_d800:

fryfrog: although having trouble getting NIC into gigabit mode ... assuming at this point it's the cable ... working on making replacement atm.

[02:30:21]

Dagmar:

kothog: Yes, please consult your high school english teacher so she can explain to you the difference between direct objects, indirect objects, states, and modes.

[02:30:48]

doje:

iamlindoro: yeah, I hear that a lot. the problem is when you first start using myth, youkind of have to watch live tv until you get some recordings setup

[02:31:07]

Dagmar:

On that particular remote there's this rather large print 800 number for people to call for help with ANY aspect of making that remote go.

[02:31:12]

kothog:

Dagmar: uh huh. Semantics.

[02:31:22]

Dagmar:

kothog: Yes, it's what words are made of.

[02:32:00]

kothog:

Dagmar: So what, pray tell, did you intend to convey with that statement, except that people who spend $500 on a remote are being retarded, and thus by implication that his brother is retarded for participating in such an activity?

[02:32:27]

Dagmar:

If I'd wanted to imply someone was retarded, I'd ask them if they'd gotten one that matches their safety helmet.

[02:32:44]

kothog:

And yet somehow managed to do so anyway..

[02:32:49]

Dagmar:

So, do you really think you're the first person who's ever come at me with this particular bit of trollery?

[02:32:55]

** kothog sighs. **

[02:32:57]

kothog:

Just forget it.

[02:33:19]

Dagmar:

I figure if people are on IRC, they're adults. They can be expected to not work hard to take offense at every little thing.

[02:33:33]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, the Internet will be a very dark and horrible place for them.

[02:33:35]

iamlindoro:

This free support is unacceptable. I wish to speak to a manager.

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[02:33:46]

Dagmar:

Well, I wouldn't go _that_ far about it.

[02:34:21]

Dagmar:

...but geez, to go from saying something is stupid to saying someone is stupid, that's just plain working hard to have a problem.

[02:34:43]

Dagmar:

Take up race baiting. It's easier.

[02:34:50]

kothog:

And sure, let's just make it harder. After all, we might as well take out our daily frustrations on the newbs coming here prostrate before us. Courtesy? Pah. Courtesy is for the weak. We are strong, the keepers of knowledge.

[02:34:53]

kothog:

Gimme a break.

[02:34:56]

crayolarx:

kothog its cool my question was answered, which I appreciate. If Dagmar thinks my brother is retarded for buying a $500 remote I really don't care. But I do enjoy the pretty buttons after staring at black terminals all day ;)

[02:35:27]

Dagmar:

crayolarx: Actually, I'd think he'd lost his mind if he spent that much on a remote and didn't spend more on the actuall PVR hardware.

[02:35:47]

Dagmar:

crayolarx: Just because kothog decided I was calling your brother retarded doesn't mean I was.

[02:36:22]

Dagmar:

There's this thing called "parity" kids, which in this sense is something along the lines of making sure things are relatively equal.

[02:36:39]

Dagmar:

...or more importantly "Why you don't put $400 performance tires on your beat-up Yugo."

[02:37:04]

kothog:

Straw man. We had no info about his PVR.

[02:37:08]

Dagmar:

...and "why you don't install a $300 GPS system on a tricycle", dig?

[02:37:37]

Dagmar:

kothog: It's pretty safe to assume people asking about stuff in _here_ are asking about it in direct relation to MythTv.

[02:37:43]

** Dagmar burns your straw man. **

[02:37:56]

kothog:

... which could be a $10k badass server machine with 50 HDDs in it.

[02:38:13]

Dagmar:

THEN we'd just call him a pirate and tell him to GTFO.

[02:38:37]

Dagmar:

Hang around a bit and you'll see a few of those sorts in here.

[02:38:58]

Dagmar:

Very CLEARLY setting up a system for their entire building/commune/village whatever, in complete violation of any kind of adherence to copyright.

[02:39:07]

kothog:

... and it's not my straw man. It's yours. Or is that something else you're going to tell me is "indirect"?

[02:39:26]

IceWewe:

is nuvexport in 0.21 or not?

[02:39:53]

crayolarx:

kothog, actually my server is pretty badass. Not $10k badass, but pretty damn nice.

[02:40:04]

kothog:

Hey man, listen. No worries, okay? Every now and again I just get fed up with the lack of civility. Just forget I mentioned it. It's no big deal.

[02:40:06]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: it is

[02:40:17]

Dagmar:

kothog: Here you get frankness.

[02:40:26]

Dagmar:

Civility of the sort you're wanting is for cowards.

[02:40:36]

IceWewe:

Dagmar: does that mean that no configuration is required and mythtv has all the facilities to export recordings in the formats nuvexport supports?

[02:40:38]

Dagmar:

Now I'll echo something iamlindoro was saying, but with better verbiage...

[02:40:46]

Dagmar:

"If you don't like it, tell a grown up"

[02:40:52]

IceWewe:

or does that mean that nuvexport is included with the mythtv package?

[02:41:01]

kothog:

Uh huh.

[02:41:20]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: Beg pardon? It means exactly what it means... that nuvexport is in 0.21

[02:41:54]

IceWewe:

Dagmar: yes, but do you still have to configure it as a user job? or is it now an option when configuring a recording to have mythtv convert it internally?

[02:41:59]

Dagmar:

You asked a yes or no question. How you got those other bits I've no idea.

[02:42:11]

IceWewe:

Dagmar: basically, is mythtv still calling nuvexport? or is it part of 'mythtv' now?

[02:42:30]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: It's the same nuvexport it's always been. You're still going to have to configure it or cross your fingers and hope you like the defaults.

[02:42:38]

IceWewe:

ah, ok

[02:42:53]

Dagmar:

It's in the mythextras part of release-0.21-fixes

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[02:43:30]

Dagmar:

I mean, I'd like there to be some good defaults in there, but everyone's got a different idea about what those should be.

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Dagmar:

xris could probably take up flogging himself with barbed wire as a less onerous thing than what would happen if he really dug in and picked some defaults for everything.

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IceWewe:

well I've got nuvexport configured just the way I like it right now

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: backup that data just in case

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Dagmar:

I know what a bitch making those selections is

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: oh, I'm not upgrading nuvexport on my active PVR

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IceWewe:

I'm building an HDTV PVR, so I'm wondering about 0.21 for that

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IceWewe:

BTW, can nuvexport handle HD?

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IceWewe:

I mean, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be able to

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Dagmar:

In theory it should be able to handle anything Myth can.

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IceWewe:

cool

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IceWewe:

and, HD is really mpeg2?

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Dagmar:

What you're talking about being "HD" is more likely just h.264 encoded video

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IceWewe:

I always thought it was H264 in Mpeg4

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IceWewe:

I'm looking at the hauppauge website, and they talk about recording HD in mpeg2

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: god knows no one's ever tried to make it clear, but that bit on the end of the filename you're looking at generally just refers to the _container_ format

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Dagmar:

...which is definitely not the same thing as the video codec.

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Dagmar:

...and yes there's an mpeg2 of both

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Dagmar:

...so this would explain some of the confusion at least.

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IceWewe:

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IceWewe:

but, I mean, unless Hauppauge intends for you to re-encode it

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Dagmar:

It's like you can have an AVI or WMV file that could contain just about bloody anything

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IceWewe:

broadcast HDTV is just H264, right?

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Dagmar:

...up to and including "just" mp3.

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IceWewe:

and generally H264 is in an mpeg4 container

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Dagmar:

s/mp3/mp3 audio/;

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IceWewe:

I always thought the card just tuned to the frequency and then dumped the data to disk

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Dagmar:

Yeah far as I know all the HD is in h.264 but I don't know if that's because of some technical standard they're following or just common convention

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Dagmar:

It could be in XviD just as easily

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Dagmar:

...it would just mean bigger files.

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IceWewe:

so, really, unless I choose to re-encode it into mpeg2, myth should dump it as H264 MP4?

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kothog:

H264 is a block compression algorithm itself, not a container format.

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IceWewe:

or H264 in whatever

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kothog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H264

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IceWewe:

yes, but isn't it technically Mpeg 4 Layer 10

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: If you're doing ATSC basically it's not much more complex than if you were using HTTP to get a video file

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IceWewe:

ah, ok

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kothog:

mpeg4, part 10.

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Dagmar:

...except you can't even change the version of wget you're using because the file's being sent whether you like it or not

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IceWewe:

so, how can you have mpeg 4 part 10 in another container?

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IceWewe:

mpeg 4 is already a container

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: yeah, ok... it's like forced downloading using their stuff

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: Pretty much

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: MP4 is a container, but the MPEG-4 standard covers multiple types of codec AND a container format

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: so I get whatever they decide to give me

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Dagmar:

All the tuner cards are doing for digital stuff is spooling the data at the computer

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: ah, ok, didn't realise that

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Dagmar:

They pretty much assume whatever the consumer is using to listen with can actually handle what they're sneding

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iamlindoro:

MPEG-4 part 2 = Xvid/Divx, MPEG-4 part 10 = h.264, etc.... the various constituent parts of the standard cover various codecs and container formats

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Dagmar:

The MPEG people are bastards who don't care how many heads they explode.

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Dagmar:

Basically.

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IceWewe:

lol, ok

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IceWewe:

hrmmm

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: Sort of in much the same way that you can have a MPEG-2 Program Stream (container Type) and MPEG-2 Transport Stream (container type) and the MPEG-2 codec (codec type)

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Dagmar:

"MPEG (pronounced M-peg), which stands for Moving Picture Experts Group" <-- bastards

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IceWewe:

about how much room does mythtv take to compile?

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Dagmar:

Umm... Depends.

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Dagmar:

1Gb should be plenty

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IceWewe:

crud...

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IceWewe:

I've got 850MB

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IceWewe:

then / is full

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Mandriva2008user:

hi I've installed mythtv per the install directions up to where i setup the backend. apparently my server isnt connecting to 192.0.0.1 I dunno what to set it to

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Dagmar:

That should damn well be enough

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kothog:

mp4 isn't really a container on its own.. it just looks that way because that's the extension people use to identify the contents of a file. :)

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IceWewe:

Mandriva2008user: I think you want 127.0.0.1

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Mandriva2008user:

hahaha oops

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Dagmar:

I dearly hope you have more disk than that on the machine somewhere, or you're just wasting your time

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Mandriva2008user:

thanks

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IceWewe:

kothog: ok, so really I could put mpeg4 in anything I wanted

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** kothog is apparently behind. **

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IceWewe:

Mandriva2008user: no problem

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: Or to be even more confusing, you can look at something like the Hauppauge HD-PVR output... It's a h.264 video (MPEG-4 Part 10) and AAC audio (Which exists in the MPEG-2 *and* MPEG-4 standards) in an MPEG-2 transport stream

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: the size of my / partition was decided long before I went the Gentoo way

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Dagmar:

Mandriva2008user: See again, this is why we were saying over and over, read the installation documentation.

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IceWewe:

the HD-PVR is the USB box, right?

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kothog:

IceWewe: sort of. it does define its own internal format and structure, so any other container would need to be able to break it apart and put it back together intelligently. :)

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Mandriva2008user:

oh it is set to 127

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: it is *a* USB box, yes

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Mandriva2008user:

and i did thats how i got this far

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge makes many

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: what about their PCI cards, like the HVR-1600 or the HVR-1800?

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Mandriva2008user:

so far everything is good but when i finished the backend it says it cant connect to 127.0.0.1

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IceWewe:

woohoo!

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IceWewe:

myth finished compiling and I still have disk space!

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Dagmar:

Don't just admire it for it's feng shui, because it's flow pretty much sucks.

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: Those are ATSC/QAM tuners... they will tuner US OTA or digital cable formats, which will be MPEG-2 video and AC3 audio in a MPEG-2 TS

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kothog:

anyway, I'm going home for dinner. Believe it or not, I do wish all you turkeys well. g'night.

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IceWewe:

Mandriva2008user: is mysql running?

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clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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Mandriva2008user:

yes says so in the services part of mandriva control panel

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: uhm, ok, why not H264?

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Dagmar:

Mandriva2008user: You know, if you read the installtion docs, this would ahve been up and running within an hour yesterday

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: Because ATSC/QAM tuners don't do any pcompression... MPEG-2 video is part of the ATSC and US cable standards, so they just dump the stream that is compressed at the broadcaster to disk

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Mandriva2008user:

i did read it and its taken me this long lol

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Dagmar:

At the rate you're going by NOT reading that one file, you MIGHT be ready to record part of the new 2009 spring lineup

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: As to why the US decided on crap MPEG-2 for the video format of our HD streams, well, blame idiocy I guess

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Mandriva2008user:

i started reading it in its entirty right after i got off here earlier

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Dagmar:

Mandriva2008user: Then follow what it says to *do*

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Mandriva2008user:

it doesnt say what to do in this case

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Mandriva2008user:

theres nothing in it if something doesnt work

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Mandriva2008user:

just what to do to install

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Dagmar:

That's because if you were following the documentation, it WOULD work.

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: The HD-PVR on the other hand, goes like this: The stream comes to your cable box, and your channels are decrypted... the Set Top Box now dumps a raw analog video stream, which the HD-PVR captures from. Since it's not a digital capture, it needs to be recompressed, so it uses the best all-around video codec for HD, h.264

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Dagmar:

...and it DOES say more than just what to install.

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Dagmar:

You claiming it doesn't is proof you have yet to actually read it and try to follow it step by step.

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: hmm, yes... and how much is the HD-PVR?

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clever:

got a backtrace

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: Kinda pricey, but $250 is not bad for what it does

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: $249, it's been a few months since I got mine but I think that was it

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1090447 any idea what might have caused this segfault?, should i stick it in a ticket?

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iamlindoro:

clever: Is if safe to say you did not compile --compile-type=debug?

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Dagmar:

Maybe tomorrow he'll have figured out to start the mysql server.

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clever:

iamlindoro: i allways compile with debug info on, and i have the qt4 debug symbols even

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Dagmar:

...or at least be asking how to start it.

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Dagmar:

If he'll give me THAT much I'll consider it a win

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: and it's well supported by linux?

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: Not well supported yet, no. The alpha driver is out and we're slowly improving it and myth support... at the moment it requires building myth from the very latest source, building the driver, and even then it can be a bit unstable

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IceWewe:

well, I figured as much

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: it's not yet suitable for end-users if that's what your'e asking

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IceWewe:

hence why I'm trying this on a gentoo box so I do build the latest 0.21 svn

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clever:

and yes this backtrace is weird, not 1 part of the trace is mythtv related

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iamlindoro:

It's not even in .21, it's only in trunk (the future .22)

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iamlindoro:

clever: yeah, that's why I asked about the debug symbols

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: I suppose the same applies to the -1600 and the -1800 series cards then?

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Dagmar:

Well, they're dodgy for entirely different reasons.

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IceWewe:

different chipsets?

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: The 1600 now has good support and works well with myth, but may require you to build recend v4l-dvb drivers... the 1800 seems a bit sketchy so I'd call it a question mark at this time

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IceWewe:

ok

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IceWewe:

and the -1250?

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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** IceWewe doesn't care about analog TV on this machine **

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IceWewe:

ah... not very well

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iamlindoro:

As I recall the 1250 works fine in linux, unknown how it works in myth-- you should be looking at the DVB wiki at linuxtv.org for this info

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iamlindoro:

That was likely the source of the sigh

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IceWewe:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1250

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clever:

iamlindoro: all i was doing was cancling shows under the upcoming recordings screen

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Dagmar:

Yep

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iamlindoro:

clever: weird... I never manage recordings in frontend so I haven't seen that one

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clever:

im leaving home for a while so im cancling alot to make it last several days

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Dagmar:

Almost all the digital cards are so new that care must be taken to check the linuxtv and/or video4linux sites to find out how well they're supported (if at all) before bothering with worrying about whether or not MythTV supports them

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: that's what I've been trying to do

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clever:

bam!

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clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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IceWewe:

hrmmm

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: This isn't something one can do quickly.

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clever:

iamlindoro: comparing traces

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: know where I can get the latest cx18 driver? this webpage appears to be broken

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: I'm aware that it's quite complicated and that some reverse engineering is required

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Quentusrex:

Can mythtv index movies that I have stored on a samba server?

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: Punch those nouns into Google "cx18 driver"

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Dagmar:

Quentusrex: If you mount the filesystem and tell it about them, yeah

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: ...and before you can even say "ivtv" I say in response "third paragraph"

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IceWewe:

ivtv

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iamlindoro:

third paragraph

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IceWewe:

;)

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Quentusrex:

Dagmar, How do I tell mythtv about the movies?

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Dagmar:

If you've not yet learned how to really dig around with search engines, we WILL teach that

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Dagmar:

THAT is your #1 asset in dealing with all things computery

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IceWewe:

hrmm

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IceWewe:

I suppose that 0.1-r2 is rather old?

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Dagmar:

It's not important what you know, as it is how quickly you can find out

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Quentusrex:

sheesh, I did google it... I'm asking if mythtv has something special

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IceWewe:

seeing as how it's in the portage tree

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clever:

iamlindoro: looks like i reproduced it without even trying:P http://pastebin.ca/1090447 http://pastebin.ca/1090452

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Quentusrex:

or do I just need to make a symbolic link under /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ to my samba server.

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iamlindoro:

Quentusrex: That will work fine

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iamlindoro:

Quentusrex: or separate dirs with colons in the list in mythvideo, ie /media/movies:/media/FurryPorn:/media/GrandmaPorn

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Dagmar:

Quentusrex: Symlinks don't point across networks.

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IceWewe:

uhhh

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Dagmar:

There is no option in the list which does not involve "mounting the remote filesystem on the frontend box"

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IceWewe:

right... ok iamlindoro

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clever:

Dagmar: ive done it without trouble, you just have to remember that they are relative to the local paths

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Dagmar:

clever: Really. what format would that be

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Dagmar:

ln now accepts URIs as the destination for the link?

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clever:

Dagmar: one pointing to a mount point somewhere else on the system

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crayolarx:

hehe

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clever:

i mean you still have to mount it:P

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Quentusrex:

Dagmar, the backend would mount the remote file system

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iamlindoro:

clever: I think what he was getting at is you need to mount ie (ie a symlink can't point at a server, only a mountpoint/file)

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clever:

but you can symlink to something under the mount point

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clever:

and some network mounts like nfs can hold symlinks

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iamlindoro:

He's not arguing that

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iamlindoro:

I think the issue was with saying "symlink to my samba server"

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iamlindoro:

we're all on the same page here

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Dagmar:

Quentusrex: far as i know, they have to be available on the frontend

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Quentusrex:

symlink to the /mnt folder, which has mounted the remote file system.

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iamlindoro:

There you go

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Dagmar:

...otherwise, external players like mplayer would break.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that will be fine

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Quentusrex:

my frontend and backend are on the same machine..

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johndoc:

i got a question guys

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Dagmar:

Quen: Easiest solution for most people is to mount that on both the front- and the back-ends using the same-named mountpoint.

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johndoc:

(and gals)

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Dagmar:

*headdesk*

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IceWewe:

ok, how old is v4l-dvb 0.1-r2?

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Dagmar:

Then why did you even care which to mount it under

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IceWewe:

seriously

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Dagmar:

Nevermind, I don't want to know

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clever:

Dagmar: yep, i mount everything to identical places on every system

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: Don't get all excited about seeing files that you stop reading

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: No idea, v4l-dvb doesn't track releases (at least, they don't now)

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: There's a bit there that says to get tip.bz2

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IceWewe:

Dagmar: yeah, I'm doing that

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IceWewe:

I thought I'd also try the stuff in the gentoo portage tree

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johndoc:

I'm trying to get all the info together before buying the parts and such for my myth box. Is it possible to use multiple hard drives? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but I'm having trouble finding it in the docs

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iamlindoro:

johndoc: yes, in a variety of ways

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Dagmar:

IceWewe: oaky, so the page with the black and orange files should ahve tipped you off to the fact that that code is about 15 hours olf.

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Dagmar:

s/olf/old/;

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IceWewe:

woahh

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Dagmar:

johndoc: Hold for URL

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IceWewe:

0.1-r2 (for gentoo) is from the 21st of May

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IceWewe:

not gonna use that...

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Dagmar:

johndoc: Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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johndoc:

Is there a way to set it up to act like somewhat of an raid array. Meaning, can I make it seem like it's just one big hard drive so I don't have any hiccups

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johndoc:

or I could wait for URL like you said :)

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IceWewe:

yeah, setup a raid array

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Dagmar:

johndoc: That should eliminate your next 100 or so questions

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iamlindoro:

johndoc: you could just set up a *literal* RAID

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IceWewe:

lol

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IceWewe:

:D

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, we have to eat you.

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IceWewe:

yay!

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johndoc:

well i have athe mobo already and it's ide

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johndoc:

ata100

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iamlindoro:

johndoc: Linux has software RAID, you don't need special hardware

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IceWewe:

I think canabalism has been faux-paux for far too long

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johndoc:

this is true

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IceWewe:

yeah, but software RAID

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IceWewe:

it's FAID

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IceWewe:

err

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IceWewe:

FAIL*

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bsdfox:

no

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iamlindoro:

and it works inredibly well, far far more speed and capability that you need for simple Myth

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iamlindoro:

umm

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johndoc:

I've never played with it. I'm not a linux n00b, but is it incredibly difficult to do?

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Dagmar:

Yep ther'es an awful lot of people who could be doing much more good in life as a nutritional supplement.

[03:17:01]

bsdfox:

it's really better than hardware raid for a number of reasons

[03:17:04]

iamlindoro:

No, it's not even remotely FAIL

[03:17:05]

IceWewe:

really?

[03:17:08]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[03:17:11]

iamlindoro:

really

[03:17:13]

IceWewe:

like, when your OS takes a dump, you loose all your data

[03:17:14]

bsdfox:

pretty ignorant statement

[03:17:16]

bsdfox:

lol

[03:17:17]

Dagmar:

johndoc: It's about as hard as swallowing a golf ball.

[03:17:19]

bsdfox:

not me

[03:17:22]

iamlindoro:

IceWewe: No you don't

[03:17:25]

IceWewe:

iamlindoro: really?

[03:17:25]

iamlindoro:

where are you getting this stuff?

[03:17:26]

IceWewe:

how so?

[03:17:27]

johndoc:

uhh...pretty darn hard?

[03:17:27]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[03:17:29]

IceWewe:

my ass

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Dagmar:

johndoc: Believing you can do it is the hardest part.

[03:17:45]

bsdfox:

if your mobo/hw card take a dump you lose your data unless you replace it with the same hardware

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iamlindoro:

You can move linux RAID volumes to ANY linux machine and rebuild the array

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IceWewe:

I've just heard bad things about softraid

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iamlindoro:

IceWewe: You don't even need config files to rebuild it

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IceWewe:

h-uh

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bsdfox:

well you're talking out of your ass

[03:18:02]

IceWewe:

seriously?

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iamlindoro:

yes

[03:18:07]

IceWewe:

wow, this has advanced greatly

[03:18:10]

iamlindoro:

stop asking that shit twice

[03:18:13]

Dagmar:

A little vegetable oil and it's probably less than the size of the mouthfuls many people take out of their cheeseburgers.

[03:18:15]

IceWewe:

lol, sorry

[03:18:16]

iamlindoro:

yes, really, yes, seriously

[03:18:19]

bsdfox:

lol

[03:18:26]

IceWewe:

it's just so exciting

[03:18:37]

iamlindoro:

mdadm has been capable of moving to ANY linux box and rebuilding for a LONG time

[03:18:39]

johndoc:

i'm putting three hard drives on the mobo and i have an ata expansion card

[03:18:41]

Dagmar:

People just say "OH LORD how can I possibly swallow that!"

[03:18:41]

IceWewe:

I have to make sure you're not leading me on just to disapoint me later

[03:18:51]

Dagmar:

...what they really need to worry about is how they're getting it back out.

[03:19:01]

johndoc:

so a raid sounded awesome, didn't know you could do a software raid

[03:19:01]

IceWewe:

Dagmar: ok, we get it

[03:19:03]

johndoc:

thanks guys

[03:19:08]

IceWewe:

no problem

[03:19:14]

Dagmar:

...by which I mean people get their RAID set up and then "Crap. How the hell do I back this up???"

[03:19:16]

IceWewe:

uhmm, but I'd like my golf ball back, please

[03:19:40]

clever:

Dagmar: lvm and snapshots would aid in hot backups

[03:19:42]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: You don't want me going there with the alliteration

[03:19:51]

clever:

though raid also has methods of hot backups thru mirrors

[03:20:08]

iamlindoro:

IceWewe: As long as the drive is set to hex type Linux softRAID (fd), and mdadm is installed on the box, linux will *automatically* build any raid it finds

[03:20:20]

iamlindoro:

er drives are

[03:21:05]

Dagmar:

When you come in here and say "I built a spanned array of 2Tb using 4 500Gb drives" we're going to be like the triage nurse at the hospital about it

[03:21:23]

Dagmar:

Our answer to what you back it up on will be "four more 500Gb drives, OR two 1Tb drives"

[03:21:29]

Dagmar:

No sense of humor at all.

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Dagmar:

Archive early, archive often.

[03:21:46]

IceWewe:

hey, question, how do you get a 640GB hard drive?!

[03:22:05]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: Credit card, FedEx.

[03:22:36]

IceWewe:

sarcastic response aside, it just seems like a weird capacity for a hard drive

[03:22:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure anyone's making a 640Gb drive actually.

[03:23:00]

IceWewe:

oh, yeah, they exist

[03:23:10]

Dagmar:

Of course , if you paid one of them enough money I'm sure they'd be happy to sell you a 750Gb drive with 110Gb clipped out through HPA.

[03:23:13]

clever:

:(, my mythweb is crashing

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IceWewe:

lol

[03:23:24]

clever:

conflict in svn

[03:23:25]

IceWewe:

my mythweb is useful for adding items to be recorded

[03:23:30]

IceWewe:

not so much for editing/removing items

[03:24:01]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: Generally anything I want to keep gets assaulted with the transcoder early on and moved under MythVideo's purview

[03:24:08]

IceWewe:

Dagmar: I have 2 500GB drives and a 250GB drive in JBOD and I'm wondering how to back them up

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crayolarx:

hehe

[03:24:26]

Dagmar:

Everything else becomes subjecct to the vagaries of the expiry routines.

[03:24:31]

Dagmar:

This is how I get by with "just" 2.5Tb

[03:24:31]

IceWewe:

hey, yeah, how do you get mythtv to see your transcoded stuff?

[03:24:38]

IceWewe:

mine only sees the MPEG2 recordings

[03:24:47]

Dagmar:

IceWewe: Tell it about more file extentions.

[03:24:53]

IceWewe:

ahh, ok

[03:24:58]

Dagmar:

The list it recognizes at first is WAY less than it can play

[03:25:12]

Dagmar:

Like, it'll play flv files most days

[03:25:21]

IceWewe:

XviD?

[03:25:27]

IceWewe:

wait, isn't it just using mplayer?

[03:25:30]

Dagmar:

Maybe not *well* because that code is still a bit touch and go in ffmpeg it seems, but it will play them.

[03:25:35]

Dagmar:

I don't use Mplayer.

[03:25:39]

IceWewe:

ah, ok

[03:25:40]

Dagmar:

I use the internal player for everything.

[03:25:43]

Dagmar:

Less confusion that way.

[03:26:31]

iamlindoro:

It's far preferable to use the internal player whenever possible-- With the coming ffmpeg Sync and recent improvements to libavcodec, the gap in performance and support between mplayer and internal is going to be even more narrow

[03:26:55]

IceWewe:

well, thanks for your stunning (and at times, shocking and sarcastic) insight into mythtv and containers

[03:27:00]

IceWewe:

I'm off to bed as I'm working tomorrow

[03:27:07]

iamlindoro:

sarcasm is just how we do

[03:27:15]

iamlindoro:

we wouldn't be here if we weren't actually trying to help

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Dagmar:

I'm off to find a coworker to strangle

[03:27:31]

IceWewe:

yay!

[03:27:32]

iamlindoro:

And the more sarcastic people in here are by far the more informed

[03:27:36]

IceWewe:

office brutality!

[03:27:38]

Dagmar:

I've been waiting patiently for her to light for about an hour and a half now so I can go get me some lunch

[03:27:48]

IceWewe:

light?

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IceWewe:

smoke?

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Dagmar:

She just keeps wandering around the building doing lord only knows what

[03:28:05]

Dagmar:

Sorry, that's southernism for "sit".

[03:28:11]

IceWewe:

...ok then

[03:28:22]

IceWewe:

lunch...

[03:28:25]

IceWewe:

at 9PM

[03:28:27]

IceWewe:

right...

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Dagmar:

Yeah well my shift started at noon

[03:28:37]

IceWewe:

ah, ok

[03:28:39]

IceWewe:

well then

[03:28:41]

IceWewe:

ta!

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crayolarx:

Does the internal player support a lot of codecs like x264 stuff or is more for just regular tv?

[03:31:27]

iamlindoro:

x264 is an encoder, h.264 is a codec

[03:31:35]

iamlindoro:

and yes, it supports all the formats ffmpeg does

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iamlindoro:

including h.264

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Dagmar:

It supports everything the snapshot of ffmpeg supports

[03:31:48]

Dagmar:

Which is a lot of stuff

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Knopit:

Any suggestions on how to manage a FE/BE machine from another machine on the local network?

[03:32:10]

Dagmar:

ssh

[03:32:25]

Dagmar:

...and then more ssh.

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crayolarx:

ok Thanks sorry I don't keep up with the codecs

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iamlindoro:

It's okay, that is an *extremely* common mistake

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Knopit:

ssh is a bit too command line intensive for me

[03:33:02]

iamlindoro:

mostly due to pirates being retarded

[03:33:05]

Dagmar:

This is Linux.

[03:33:18]

iamlindoro:

But we try to spread good info here :)

[03:33:22]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I don't know of any self-respecting pirates using codecs Internal can't play

[03:33:28]

iamlindoro:

Nor I

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Dagmar:

Knopit: If what you want to do can be expressed with a point and a grunt then you have some weird ideas about system managment.

[03:33:50]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: What I meant was calling h.264 x264 is such a common mistake because of the way torrents are titled

[03:34:14]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Okay, so they're illiterate, but they generally lose face if they release something utterly unplayable

[03:34:21]

Dagmar:

...or at least that was the way things were 15 years ago

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: True-- but I wasn't arguing their playability

[03:35:15]

Dagmar:

With the prevalencce of warez being so damn easy to get now I don't know if that's changed aor not

[03:35:36]

Knopit:

Dagmar: Agreed, but I'm still not certain where to begin ripping DVDs via ssh

[03:35:45]

iamlindoro:

dvd::rip?

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iamlindoro:

ah n/m, that's a GUI

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clever:

when does the DST change happen?

[03:36:15]

iamlindoro:

dd if=/dev/sdsomething of=Myfile.iso

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iamlindoro:

clever: It's a while yet, not till the fall AFAIK

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clever:

iamlindoro: then thats not the cause of my recording on 8/4 i cant cancle

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Knopit:

Dagmar: And no progress graphic

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iamlindoro:

clever: probably not-- looks like November

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clever:

wtf

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clever:

i have overrides for 00-00–000 00:00:00

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crayolarx:

cool I am gonna try using the internal player. I have a q6600 with 4 GBs of memory, so it should be able to handle some cpu power. Thanks for the suggestion guys

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Knopit:

iamlindoro: That would work, but if a wanted to transcode? I guess I could do it in two steps.

[03:39:04]

iamlindoro:

yes, you could

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Knopit:

I was hoping for some way to get X to use the screen on my local machine

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iamlindoro:

ssh -Y user@your.ip.address

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iamlindoro:

as long as the local machine is running X, start an app and it will come up on your screen

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Knopit:

iamlindoro: seriously wow — hold on

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clever:

it lags like crap but atleast its easy to do

[03:41:01]

iamlindoro:

Why does everyone keep asking me seriously tonight?

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crayolarx:

Knopit, Or you can just export the DISPLAY variable to point to your x local machine running x. But either should work

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clever:

crayolarx: that means disabling the '-nolisten tcp' in the X startup, and adding xauth cookies or xhost

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clever:

yes it is much faster and more responsive but its also more work and less secure

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Knopit:

iamlindoro: seriously that is cool

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crayolarx:

I guess....but do whatever works for you. If you are that worried about security on your network. But it is just as much work as using ssh

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clever:

ive ran the entire system remotely like that before

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clever:

crayolarx: by more work i mean you have to track down how X is started and mod the config, then restart it

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clever:

which is diff in every distro and depends on if your using gdm xdm kdm ...

[03:46:40]

crayolarx:

No you don't.

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clever:

DISPLAY=d600:0 firefox

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clever:

by default tcp is disabled in every install ive come across and that wont connect

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crayolarx:

well ok maybe if you are running some crazy distro

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Knopit:

crayolarx: That was the suggestion I was looking for — I remember reading about it years ago. I could never get it to work

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wagnerrp:

Knopit: it was probably because it wasnt listening to tcp, like mentioned above

[03:48:23]

wagnerrp:

no distro ive used has that enabled by default

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clever:

wagnerrp: exactly:)

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Knopit:

wagnerrp: sounds probable

[03:49:37]

wagnerrp:

note that without some considerable additional effort, youre not going to get the audio piped to the remote machine

[03:50:24]

clever:

wagnerrp: ive piped audio before using some special args on a cli audio server to make it listen to the public and got mplayer to use it

[03:50:27]

clever:

but the lag is painfull

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Knopit:

wagnerrp: I'm listening to the sounds of silence right now

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clever:

and Xv doesnt work over tcp so it eats ALOT of bandwidth

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Knopit:

ripping a dvd is not going so well — "You can try hitting any number key to start it. If you still see this message, then something is really wrong."

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Knopit:

I hit a number — nothing

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Knopit:

This is not thecase in the past with this machine

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Strex:

sup folks

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clever:

the sky!

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Dagmar:

clever: There' a reason it's disabled by default.

[03:58:06]

Dagmar:

Numbnutses keep typing `xhost +`.

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clever:

Dagmar: yes i know, its not secure to leave it on

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clever:

i trust the firewall on my lan so i opened my tcp up

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iamlindoro:

Knopit: mtd -d

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Dagmar:

You'd be amazed how many people don't even use a firewall

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iamlindoro:

either add it to an init script, run it in rc.local, or however else you'd like

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Strex:

could anyone tell me how to add more categories to mythvideo? I've got quite a few and would love to categorize them..

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Dagmar:

Act like you're going to change the category for one, and IIRC you just add another one there

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iamlindoro:

Strex: Go to a video in video manager, press M, hit edit metadata, scroll to category, press enter. Type a name for a new category.

[04:00:23]

wagnerrp:

sound like me... i find myself too lazy to do things properly

[04:00:42]

wagnerrp:

of course this is cygwin on windows, so theres little hard that would come of it

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Strex:

iamlindoro: thanks, I'll try it now.. (that was bugging me for a while.)

[04:01:24]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Back in "the day" I used to sit in #Linux on EFNet and spawn an xv instance (xv the program, not the X facility) at the IP of each and every person entering

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Dagmar:

Just about 1 in 5 people it would actually connect and work.

[04:01:54]

clever:

Dagmar: dont remember ever hearing of that peogram

[04:01:57]

clever:

lol

[04:02:06]

Dagmar:

Only about 1 in 3 would think to ask why the decorator pane on their Windowmaker or whatever display would chnage to a "Hacker Inside" logo

[04:02:31]

clever:

lol

[04:03:36]

jblack:

iirc, xv was a svgalib image viewer.

[04:03:38]

Knopit:

iamlindoro: If I connect a monitor directly to this machine, hitting any number works. Or at least it has in the past.

[04:03:52]

Dagmar:

Not just svgalib

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clever:

jblack: sounds like something that wouldnt work under x11

[04:03:57]

Dagmar:

It was mainly an X image viewer

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clever:

ahhh

[04:04:14]

clever:

i use eog for that

[04:04:22]

Dagmar:

IF such things had existed back then, I could have goatse'd every one of those people.

[04:04:31]

Dagmar:

This I think is proof that I'm not an evil man.

[04:04:33]

jblack:

It worked well with lynx. I didn't give up the console until 2004 or so.

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iamlindoro:

Knopit: You shouldn't be ssh'ing in for a whole frontend experience, you said you wanted to "manage" the machine. If you want the transcode to work all the time, it should be run at startup... why is it our responsibility to troubleshoot when you use it in a totally ridiculous fashion?

[04:05:00]

clever:

jblack: i only even started linux in 2004:P

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jblack:

Heh. I started back in '95 or so.

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Gimpy:

Hi all, I need help partinging extra physical hard drive for storeage, I have tied to formate the entire drive as ext3 and when I write the partion to the drive the partition seems to disapear

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iamlindoro:

DICTIONARY TROUT!

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clever:

hdc is the whole drive, hdc1 is the partition

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iamlindoro:

!trout Gimpy dictionary

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** MythLogBot slaps Gimpy with a dictionary trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[04:08:44]

Dagmar:

clever: You overlooked a clue there... he said "external"

[04:08:59]

clever:

i dont see the word external

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Dagmar:

Ah...

[04:09:10]

iamlindoro:

I don't see many words that most people would recognize

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Strex:

iamlindoro: Thanks again, that really helps organize a lot!

[04:09:16]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ill admit that my security is based around me being too obscure to be attacked

[04:09:21]

iamlindoro:

Strex: You are welcome

[04:09:25]

Dagmar:

Ah he said extra

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Dagmar:

I'm still suspicious that he's not trying to repartition a thumb drive.

[04:09:52]

Knopit:

iamlindoro: Clearly it isn't your responsibility to troubleshoot at all. I simply don't want to place a third monitor on my desk, figure I might try to use the ones I have

[04:10:09]

wagnerrp:

anyone capable of getting around my firewall realizes that im not worth the time and effort

[04:10:24]

iamlindoro:

Knopit: run mtd in an init script or rc.local, and you'll never have to worry about number keys at all

[04:10:35]

iamlindoro:

mtd -d, rather

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clever:

what exactly does mtd so? the --help isnt helpfull and it lacks a man page

[04:12:09]

iamlindoro:

mtd is the myth transcode daemon, rip DVDs relies on it

[04:12:15]

clever:

ahhh

[04:12:41]

clever:

i just use 'cpdvd' to do that but im low on hdd space so i dont do it much

[04:13:00]

clever:

only when its a rented dvd that i may want to watch again later

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** Dagmar smacks clever with a rolled-up paper. **

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Quentusrex:

how do I make the mythtv video manager only index avi files? and leave pdf, mp3, and nfo files out of the database.

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Mandriva2008user:

ok so i finished the install but now when i click whatch tv it just stays at the menu

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Dagmar:

UNcheck the option relating to unknown file types when using the browser

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Mandriva2008user:

anyone?

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Quentusrex:

Dagmar Where do I set the file times?

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Gimpy:

iamlindoro- I'm not usin a gui, i'm usin a gui to point and click xmonad on gentoo

[04:24:39]

iamlindoro:

Huh?

[04:25:17]

iamlindoro:

I formally demand you speak english

[04:25:22]

Gimpy:

xmonad is a tiling window manager so you end up with multiple xterms on screen not a gui like kde, or gnome

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Strex:

lol

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iamlindoro:

What has that got to do with anything? Why did you spontaneously start speaking to me?

[04:26:17]

Strex:

Gimpy: you mean not a 'desktop enviornment' but just a UI..

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iamlindoro:

I am well aware of monad, I just have no idea what you are speaking to me or what it has to do with Myth

[04:27:05]

iamlindoro:

If, as you mentioned in #myth, you are banned in your distro's channel, I bet a shiny nickel it is *not* because of your router as you claim

[04:27:20]

iamlindoro:

it's because your sentences are in horribly broken english and you have not asked an on-topic question yet

[04:27:20]

Strex:

lol..

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Strex:

Gimpy: I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, do you have a question related to mythtv?

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Gimpy:

lalindora i see that I was slaped with Dictionary truot by you

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iamlindoro:

that's because you don't make any sense, nobody can parse the meaning out of all the misspelled words and bad grammar

[04:29:13]

iamlindoro:

and it's "iamlindoro," thanks.

[04:29:23]

Strex:

haha

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Strex:

Gimpy: Were here to help, but you got to let us know what you need help with (in plain english please).

[04:30:23]

iamlindoro:

I'm not trying to tease you, but nobody can understand you... and you need to relate your questions to MythTV

[04:30:59]

Knopit:

iamlindoro: It seems to me that running mtd -d at startup would be a good idea — under most circumstances.

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Gimpy:

ok, thanks you too please excuse any typo's. I am not using a qwerty keyboard, it is a "bat" keybaard, (uses 7 keys to produce all keys that a qwerty can do)

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Knopit:

iamlindoro: thanks

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Gimpy:

my question is I need help formatinng a a drive for mythtv to hold tv-shows, but every time I use fdisk to partion the drive, then write the partion table to the disk, I go backand check the drive and the partition seems to have disappeard

[04:33:17]

Strex:

Gimpy: what distro?

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Gimpy:

strex- Gentoo

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jblack:

gimpy: Your IO controller may not support reread. You may need to reboot after creating a partition.

[04:33:42]

Strex:

Gimpy: also, are you writing the changes to disk?

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jblack:

strex++

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Gimpy:

strex yes when i write the partition to the disk it makes the changes , becase the same procedure works just fine for setting up /, /boot, and swap

[04:35:52]

Strex:

Gimpy: don't mean to be rude but it sounds like a question for the gentoo team..

[04:36:40]

Strex:

Gimpy: that's a basic linux thing, and you should normally bring it up with the distro's channel..

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jblack:

Like I said, not all io controllers support partition rereads. Reboot may be necessary.

[04:37:20]

Strex:

jblack: good point..

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Quentusrex:

Dagmar Where do I set the file types?

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jblack:

Unless the hardware is pretty old, though, it's more likely you're editing the partition of the wrong drive.

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Quentusrex:

so that mythtv will only index a particular file type?

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jblack:

How could I have 1800 shows recorded, and not one thing to watch/

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Strex:

Gimpy: what 'type' are you setting the partition to??

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Knopit:

should I expect A DVD's menu to work? I almost always have to work around it.

[04:39:01]

Knopit:

*a DVD's

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Strex:

jblack: lol, if you add 30+ movies I agree..

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Gimpy:

ok thanks guys. I do have an mythweb question – do i need to set a hardware profile in mythtvweb for the dsm320? I plan on pullin media to through the dsm320(dlink media router) to tv

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jblack:

Oh yeah. A couple hundred movies too.

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Strex:

Gimpy: I like to follow the "KISS' theory.. start with the basics and just get 'myth' working first, before trying to do anything else..

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Strex:

"

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Strex:

Gimpy: Once you get Myth all setup and working look into getting UPNP setup on your network, then your dsm3207 should connect to the Mythtv UPNP service and work just fine..

[04:43:55]

Strex:

Gimpy: I've got a DSM320 that works with myth just fine..

[04:44:37]

Strex:

Gimpy: can't watch 'live tv' but who watches that any more any ways??

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Dagmar:

Strex: They keep telling me actually that the uPnP stuff is setup to work by default, and that you have to do a bit of a dance to turn it off.

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Dagmar:

Granted, my PS3 just refuses to acknowlede that the damn thing exists, but I'm pretty sure that's something I've done to my own box by now.

[04:46:27]

Dagmar:

Enough people are telling me that it works that I'll believe them

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Dagmar:

Quentusrex: Look in the frontend setup menus under Video. It won't take more than five minutes to browse "all" those screens.

[04:47:36]

Dagmar:

There's less than 10

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: gigabit requires all 8 wires to be hooked up, not sure if you knew that

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: a lot of my older cables i only wired 1236

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Strex:

Dagmar: Influence is a power full tool..

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Dagmar:

The documentation can only get you so far... Most of the rest of the stuff if you just take like an hour to go and LOOK AT (as in "DO NOT CHANGE UNTIL YOU'RE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO, OR YOU WILL BE DAMNED LIKE THE MARINER") each of them, quite a great deal of this stuff will readily become obvious

[04:49:04]

Dagmar:

Strex: Hey man it's completely baffling to me

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Gimpy:

strex, thanks, but I somehow think if you wanted you could watch live tv though the dsm. I may be wrong, but I rember a tv button in the interfoce and being able to flip channles

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Dagmar:

Like, I found a tool for command-line querying of uPnP media stuff, and IT can see the Myth box fine

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wagnerrp:

DAGMAR: yeah, id say its something funky with your system, it works fine with mine (when the codecs are supported anyway)

[04:49:48]

Dagmar:

I turn on -v upnp in the frontend and backend, I fire up the PS3, tell it to search, I can see the Myth box actually *seeing* these queries, but doing _nothiong_ about them

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Dagmar:

It's like it's got some kind of *grudge* against my PS3

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wagnerrp:

shift the primary backend to another system?

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Strex:

Gimpy: in mine I can only watch recorded programs and video's / pictures etc.. but no live tv..

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I *thought* it might have had something to do with my pointing everything at the localhost interface at first

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wagnerrp:

since only the primary backend is uPnP active

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Dagmar:

...then that other tool had no problems talking to it

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Strex:

Dagmar: your PS3 might hate you??

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Dagmar:

So like, I'll worry about it once I've got the PS3 a bit more stabilized (and wired into eveyrthing)

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Dagmar:

Strex: IF the Myth box actually responded to the PS3 and the PS3 ignored it's responses, it would be one thing

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wagnerrp:

Strex: havent you see the ads? the PS3 has developed cognizance

[04:51:55]

Dagmar:

...but I can sit there with tcpdump running on the one ethernet interface for the myth box, and see plain as day that the Myth box won't say a damn thing back to the PS3.

[04:52:07]

Dagmar:

It's crazy, but everything else works so I'm not worrying about it for now

[04:52:21]

Dagmar:

At least the thing doesn't crash when uPnP traffic is detected

[04:52:38]

Dagmar:

(Yes that was actually a bug. XBoxes would kill MythTV)

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Strex:

AwesomeO.

[04:55:19]

Strex:

So anyone here every play with getting bluetooth audio working with myth??

[04:55:28]

Gimpy:

strex- thanxs

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wagnerrp:

does it work with ALSA?

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Strex:

well, kinda..

[04:57:26]

Strex:

the '...' is important :p

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Strex:

it currently fails on verifying the 'key' but if that worked it, should play..

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psm321:

hi

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Strex:

once I can get it to "play" I'll write a plugin / addon / howto for it..

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Strex:

hi

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt have any of its own audio, if ALSA works, (or JACK or Esound or ...) then mythtv will work

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psm321:

do i need mysql binary logging if i keep nightly backups of mythconverg (except recordedseek)?

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psm321:

(i just realized that the binary logging is taking up ~18 gigs on my disk and growing much faster than the db itself)

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Strex:

psm321: what is your ideal end goal?

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Strex:

psm321: do you really need nightly backups? is this some corporate environment? do you back it up to DDS4 and store it off site? :p

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theres not much point to backing up that frequently

[05:04:03]

wagnerrp:

in the event your database is corrupted, you still have the recordings intact on the hard drive

[05:04:13]

wagnerrp:

any other setup can be remade relatively easily

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wagnerrp:

and channel listings can be redownloaded

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wagnerrp:

of course my compressed database is all of 8MB, so its not like theres any real harm

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Strex:

wagnerrp: ++ same here..

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Strex:

psm321: what are you hoping to gather from this?

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Strex:

Dr-Digital seems to of forgot about tornados..

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: I'd made that assumption, the cable I'm currently using for that machine is the first cat5 cable I ever made (>10yo?) ... so trying to debug with a second cable (I'm running out of long pieces of scrap!) that I'm attempting to repair

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mzb_d800:

(hard to find the breaks|problem with it atm)

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mzb_d800:

++ working on squashing debian+asterisk+freepbx onto 512MB CF (currently got ~256MB free! ... only freepbx to go!)

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mzb_d800:

(squashed /usr)

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clever:

mzb_d800: nice, my fresh install of ubuntu was ~500mb

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clever:

and that was just a bare install from debootstrap

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lyricnz:

I think my fedora was > 1GB :)

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mzb_d800:

yep ... fresh etch was about 256 ... but when you start adding build-essentials, asterisk, etc ... it blows out ;)

[05:17:54]

clever:

mzb_d800: my root is now over 4–5 gig but a large ammount was just to /home/

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mzb_d800:

so I've uninstalled *-dev, squashed /usr and mounted unionfs over it (ala eeepc) and plan to reinstall *-dev and build freepbx

[05:18:20]

clever:

mzb_d800: i made a neat dpkg script to list all packages sorted by size

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mzb_d800:

this system is also swapless, and planning on using circular buffers for logs

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mzb_d800:

there's a command for that

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fryfrog:

what is the diff between asterisk and freepbx (asterisk is a pbx, no?)

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clever:

mzb_d800: i used dpkg-query with a custom format and |sort -n

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clever:

dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\t${Status}\n'|grep installed|sort -n|tail -n20

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Strex:

debian --

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mzb_d800:

dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n

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mzb_d800:

yep

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clever:

i created mine from the man pages

[05:20:13]

clever:

took an hour to get it working right

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mzb_d800:

I used google ;)

[05:20:18]

clever:

the format cmd never does what i want

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mzb_d800:

< 3mins ;))

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clever:

libqt4-debug is my bigest package

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clever:

followed by java and the kernel images

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clever:

7gig total for my nfsroot

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mzb_d800:

mysql and perl are currently my worst

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psm321:

sorry guys, i went away for a bit

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clever:

4 of which is in /home/

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Strex:

psm321: go on..

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mzb_d800:

pbx:~# du -shmx /usr/ /.filesystems/usr/usr.sqfs

[05:21:33]

mzb_d800:

299 /usr/

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mzb_d800:

91 /.filesystems/usr/usr.sqfs

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psm321:

wagnerrp, Strex: i have about 3 years worth of recordings now

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mzb_d800:

see the difference?

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psm321:

and as some here (e.g. clever) could tell you, that's a lot of recordings for me

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clever:

mzb_d800: my primary laptop went tits up just as i got the nfsroot up so i moved all my logs&config over

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Strex:

mzb_d800: don't mean to be rude but does this have anything to do with myth??

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wagnerrp:

psm321: right, and youll only lose up to your last database backup

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psm321:

wagnerrp: yep, thats why i do the nightly backups

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fryfrog:

so how come if i try to aptitude remove openoffice.org-core it wants to remove ubuntu desktop?

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clever:

fryfrog: because ubuntu-desktop(a empty package) depends on it

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mzb_d800:

because it's a dependency

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clever:

fryfrog: ubuntu-desktop just pulls in 90% of the desktop apps and is harmless to remove

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psm321:

wagnerrp: i was just wondering if there was any point to binary logging (i dont even know why i have it on...)

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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mzb_d800:

ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package ... doesn't hurt to remove it

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clever:

mzb_d800: exactly:)

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fryfrog:

k, thanks :)

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clever:

only problem would be durring massive upgrades, new additions may not get pulled in

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clever:

but i have so little space i tent to uninstall half the system just to get the upgrade to fit

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mzb_d800:

apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop

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clever:

mzb_d800: why would it!?

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mzb_d800:

run the command!

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mzb_d800:

$ apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop

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mzb_d800:

;)

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clever:

oooo

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clever:

i thought you meant apt-cache depends on ubuntu-desktop

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

first thing I do with a new ubuntu install is convert root to lvm ... solves all problems before they happen

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Mandriva2008user:

can anyone tell me how to uninstall?

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mzb_d800:

(at least on my own machines ... don't do it for "customers")

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clever:

mzb_d800: ive got 1 root on lvm system, i made it using debootstrap

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clever:

mzb_d800: it recently caused a problem also

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Strex:

Mandriva2008user: uninstall What?

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Mandriva2008user:

mythtv

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clever:

mzb_d800: the grub.conf tried to load /boot/kernel.img which didnt exist

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Mandriva2008user:

insalled from an svn

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clever:

Mandriva2008user: make uninstall in the source

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mzb_d800:

always use separate /boot

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clever:

mzb_d800: i did, but the grub.conf script doesnt know that

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clever:

so it gave the wrong path to the kernels

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clever:

and failed to boot

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Mandriva2008user:

k thanks

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mzb_d800:

your grub-root argument was probably wrong then

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fryfrog:

i assume if you don't remove ubuntu-desktop, if you just nuke openoffice.org you'll get it back again later?

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clever:

mzb_d800: i didnt know where it went so i put a symlink called /boot/boot to .

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clever:

which effective fixed it

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mzb_d800:

hack ;)

[05:27:39]

clever:

yep

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mzb_d800:

not to worry ... it'll probably last for a while ;)

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mzb_d800:

(until it suddenly stops everything from working;)

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clever:

ive also got swap on lvm for 1 of my nfsroot systems

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clever:

i also tryed to add a root so it could boot again but it kept hitting bad sectors

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mzb_d800:

doesn't sound too good

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

smartctl tells me i have 24 hours to backup the drive

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crayolarx:

smartctl isn't very smart

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clever:

:P

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clever:

ive cleared it out and was using it only as swap

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clever:

and bad sectors have magicaly appeared in what was a clean partition

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wagnerrp:

smartctl cant tell you that you have 24 hours to backup the drive

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wagnerrp:

SMART doesnt have that kind of accuracy

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wagnerrp:

it just means that the drive is in immanent peril

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

i had just got my nfsroot working at the time

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clever:

so i just booted into the network and dd'ed the whole disk into /media/mainlv/videos/drives/c600sda1

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wagnerrp:

well that works

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clever:

actualy dd_rescue

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wagnerrp:

dd_rescue can run at a limited speed?

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clever:

dont know

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clever:

i also saved the log of parts it skiped but that wont do any good now, ive filled the 'dying' drive with recordings from mythtv

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clever:

dd_rescue can work wonders and show how crap xp is:P

[06:08:18]

clever:

ive had an xp drive refusing to boot(bluescreen on boot)

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clever:

i dd_rescue it to another

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clever:

and i dont even fix the 'damaged' holes

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clever:

and it boots like nothing ever happened

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wagnerrp:

anyone see the Eee Box?

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clever:

ive seen the eeepc

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clever:

damn small

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wagnerrp:

this is the desktop version

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crayolarx:

Don't use XP it is bad for your health "clever> ive had an xp drive refusing to boot(bluescreen on boot"

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clever:

crayolarx: that was my dads work laptop

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wagnerrp:

what are we to use instead?

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clever:

crayolarx: he has to use it

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crayolarx:

ahh ok

[06:14:39]

clever:

only other option to 'fix' it would be to ship it back for reimaging

[06:18:32]

Dagmar:

I'm about to drop Xp entirely here.

[06:18:34]

Dagmar:

Finally.

[06:18:48]

clever:

ive only got xp on 3 systems atm

[06:18:50]

Dagmar:

Go back to getting my XP the *right* way...

[06:18:53]

clever:

2 of which are my dads

[06:18:55]

Dagmar:

...by killing people for it.

[06:20:18]

Dagmar:

Those eee's are very adorable.

[06:20:27]

Dagmar:

There's one _on display_ at my office.

[06:20:42]

Dagmar:

It's basically up to provide a mesh<->internet interface

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crayolarx:

wagnerrp, I am just messing around. I am a Linux Admin, so pretty much everything I do is in Linux. But I do have my work laptop which has Windows XP

[06:24:10]

wagnerrp:

ive got linux on my laptop, for convenience at work

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clever:

i have 7 linux computers running at this instant

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see it as a worthwhile desktop OS yet

[06:24:32]

clever:

and 3 xp systems that are off(2 of them can dual boot to linux)

[06:24:44]

clever:

the 3rd is running xp AND linux(colinux to be exact)

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wagnerrp:

X still just doesnt work as well as windows

[06:25:10]

Dagmar:

Wine appears to be able to run World of Warcraft now.

[06:25:20]

Dagmar:

That's pretty much the only thing I was keeping Windows around for.

[06:25:30]

clever:

Dagmar: wine still explodes when i try to install portal:(

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pat_:

I keep wine around for when I run out of beer

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Dagmar:

Far as I know you need cedega to make Steam work

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clever:

Dagmar: steam itself works under wine

[06:28:33]

Dagmar:

Ah well

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crayolarx:

wagnerrp, X will probably never work as well as windows. Well maybe someday, but Linux really wasn't really intended to be a desktop system.

[06:28:54]

Dagmar:

I don't get to play with a heavily armed dwarf under anything in Steam so... no big deal

[06:29:16]

clever:

i spent several hours downloading the portal demo on my main xp system

[06:29:26]

clever:

only to discover i dont have the right pixel shader

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clever:

so i then go to do the same on dads system, now it wants to download twice the data

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wagnerrp:

i through portal (HL2) could run on anything DX7 or better

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wagnerrp:

*thought

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clever:

wagnerrp: my acer system(onbord intel video) can play hl2(last i checked)

[06:30:28]

clever:

but cant handle portal

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Dagmar:

clever: You can use the backup option in Steam to burn the stuff to DVD images

[06:30:49]

Dagmar:

Meh. I don't know if it would play on that under Windows

[06:30:52]

clever:

Dagmar: i dont have a dvd burner in the acer, id have to push the files over the network

[06:30:55]

Dagmar:

Those intel chipsets are kinda iffy

[06:31:03]

wagnerrp:

or you can just copy the program archive

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Dagmar:

clever: Well that's where I have HL2 and EP1/2 backed up to

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wagnerrp:

most steam apps are just one ginormous archive

[06:31:28]

clever:

yeah i have a backup of one of those somewhere

[06:31:44]

clever:

my hl2 cd's wont fully install so i allways just used the network dl

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: No steam has this nifty thing where you can just tell it "dump an installable backup of this game" and it will give you a nice set of images to burn or copy elsewhere.

[06:32:04]

Dagmar:

images as in, completely reinstallable on whatever other system you have Steam on, and your same credentials installed to.

[06:32:15]

Dagmar:

It's *very* handy

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clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

it wont install to any system?

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clever:

i also got thru the entire portal demo in no time:P

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wagnerrp:

it has to be one you are logged in to?

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Dagmar:

LIke, I was pleased that it could just *download* HL2 in it's entirety for me, as well as episodes 1 & 2, but I didn't really want to *do* that to my cablemodem again any time soon.

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Dagmar:

I started poking around in Steam and found the backup option. You can basically just *move* an installation to another machine.

[06:33:56]

Dagmar:

As far as copyright protection goes for games, this is very, very nice of them.

[06:34:22]

wagnerrp:

well you still have to log in to enable the backup copy

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wagnerrp:

so its of no risk to them

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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wagnerrp:

just making their system easy to use

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Dagmar:

It's _very_ easy to use.

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clever:

i suspect you could login as any user

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Dagmar:

They're going to make money in the coming years

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clever:

aslong as you have rights to play THAT game

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive been thoroughly impressed by Steam in that it never fails

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Dagmar:

Like, if some of these media companies would stop being jackasses, and adopt THAT model, they could make a fortune

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clever:

Dagmar: itunes?

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Dagmar:

They're pretty close to there

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clever:

you can buy&download songs but they wont play on other crap

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Dagmar:

...but I don't know how they handle it if you wipe your local library

[06:36:22]

clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

well the problem is that you now have to have some program from some media company installed on your machine

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clever:

i recently put a chunk of music on my usb stick and got a 'COPY PRO' error out of the car stereo

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wagnerrp:

and you have to have half a dozen of them, from all the different publishers

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clever:

from the manual it sounds like its just a copy protected wma file

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Dagmar:

I just up and decided I wanted to see HL EP 1 & 2 so I reinstalled Steam, paid the $20, and about three hours later it had installed eveyrthing

[06:37:12]

Dagmar:

Like, *stupidly* easy.

[06:37:37]

clever:

yeah, sounds dead simple except i dont have a job to replace the 20$ or get the free space:P

[06:37:39]

Dagmar:

Anything you "own" that's on Steam, you don't have to keep installed, or even keep a copy around.

[06:37:57]

clever:

yep, ive uninstalled games before to get space and still own them

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Dagmar:

You just tell it "grab this for me" and it'll install and uninstall whenever you want.

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Nido:

3I don't know. I want to have things physically backed up

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Dagmar:

This is why the backup option floored me.

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Nido:

then again; there aren't that many people around who have two computers dedicated to backup in their house

[06:40:08]

Dagmar:

Well, I burned them to three DVDs as well

[06:40:18]

Dagmar:

Undoubtedly, I have a copy of the things here.

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Dagmar:

The services like Vongo don't get that right becuase you simply don't have a local copy

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Nido:

anyway; I need to go

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Nido:

later

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coldstea1:

is anyone around?

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justinh:

no

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coldstea1:

I'm trying to find out 2 things. 1) can mythtv be compiled on openbsd 2) are there tv tuners that can go higher than channel 125 and are compatible with digital cable

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justinh:

1. if so you'd have your work cut out unneccessarily and 2. your digital cable is probably encrippled, meaning it's of little use to a tuner card through a direct connection

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justinh:

why people want to make more work for themselves is totally beyond my comprehension

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justinh:

it's probably possible to get mythtv working on openbsd but the lack of v4l compliant tuner card drivers will severely limit the kind of tuners you can use AFAIK

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AndyCap:

because they're hooked on fugu.

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justinh:

wierdos :P

[10:06:41]

AndyCap:

and supposedly it was possible to run on openbsd in 2005. but that could have bitrotted

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justinh:

is that the same kind of thing where people would rather walk across the Atlantic Ocean than fly? same mindset, I mean?

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justinh:

hey look, apparently freevo works on openbsd. go with that instead :)

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justinh:

I dunno how out of date http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBSD#FreeBSD is though

[10:22:16]

justinh:

Whatever – looks like your only option for tuner cards is analogue PVR cards from Hauppauge. I said it'd probably be limiting

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** dustybin looks forward to software RAID1 mirroring for the OS disk and RAID6 for the storage drives :) **

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dustybin:

RAID6 = 3ware RAID card

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dustybin:

and LVM for partitioning

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sid3windr:

ouch, 3ware :)

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dustybin:

sid3windr: what would you use?

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sid3windr:

areca, as said before :)

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sid3windr:

you don't have enough ports on the controller to do a raid1 for the os disks as well?

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dustybin:

sid3windr: i thought you couldnt mix different RAID configs

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sid3windr:

you can

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sid3windr:

not sure if it's possible on 3ware too, but it should be afaik

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dustybin:

about £300 for a 8 port RAID card

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AndyCap:

checked the price for areca as well?

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dustybin:

they are both roughly in the £300 region

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sid3windr:

Controller#01(PCI): ARC-1120

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sid3windr:

1 ARC-1120-VOL#00 Main RAID Set Raid5 1000.0GB 00/00/00 Normal

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sid3windr:

-just- put this in my backend \o/

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sebrock:

crap, XFS is not possible to shrink?

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directhex:

no

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directhex:

impossible

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sebrock:

aw man

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sebrock:

well then its the old backup then

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fryfrog:

sebrock: very few file systems can shrink :/

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sebrock:

ext can...

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sebrock:

I did a image of the files instead

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sebrock:

btw, in which XML is the "Watch Recordings" menu defined?

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You were right guys, 'Internal' seems to avoid the tearing I was seeing in mplayer

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^V^:

Hi, is there anyone here who is running mythtv on a dual or quad core setup and using the auto shutdown feature?

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directhex:

hm, can i make mythmusic rescan its db from outside mythfrontend?

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justinh:

hmmm this new router is nice & compact. just hope it's better than the rubbish I just got my money back for

[14:38:46]

jarle:

So I finally got my new mac mini frontend up and running, however there is no sound. Anybody here want to share their settings for optical out sound on the mac mini?

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justinh:

gonna write a lovely letter to pc world to complain in the strongest possible terms that I am not their oik's MATE & that despite me knowing wtf I'm talking about & not allowing myself to be conned by their sales banter, I do not deserved to be dealt with in such a surly manner. arseholes

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justinh:

jarle: you enabled IEC958 in alsamixer or are you still on osx?

[14:40:41]

jarle:

justinh: I have multiboot, haven't run alsamixer yet.... will give it a try...

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jarle:

justinh: IEC958 was not enabled (alsamixer had it set at MM) I have no turned it on (alsamixer says 00), but still no sound...

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jarle:

justinh: I have set ALSA:digital as output in myth

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^V^:

try set it to default and the set the passthrough to iec958

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justinh:

jarle: that would depend on your alsa config having an output called ALSA:digital

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justinh:

I don't understand alsa configs. they scare me & I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION

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** jarle is running back to his home cinema to try some new settings on the frontend, brb... **

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justinh:

hell I even figured out udev rules when I had to but not alsa. oh no

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justinh:

infact I would PAY to get decent audio setups in linux – oh you know something a human being can understand

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^V^:

try to also set the mixer to alsa:default

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justinh:

with IEC958 enabled in alsa mixer it's my experience that the standard PCM output gets passed to the SPDIF output as well

[14:52:22]

justinh:

that's how my FE is set up right now because I can't be bothered with the config headache. consequently anything with AC3 or DTS soundtracks makes a god awful noise through my TV via the analogue audio input

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jarle:

set it to default and the set the passthrough to iec958 worked like a charm, thnx!

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justinh:

jarle: but anything with Ac3 or DTS will make a horrible noise over analogue audio connections – not that it'll really affect you cos you can't connect both at the same time on a mac mini ;)

[14:55:21]

jarle:

justinh: and I can't really see a scenario where you would really want it output digital+analogue at the same time?

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^V^:

justinh: that's because you have the dts passthrough enabled

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justinh:

^V^: I know,

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justinh:

but the noise is coming from digital &analogue being set to the same device because as yet I haven't figured out wtf the spdif digital output is called in this config.. i.e what I need to enter into mythtv. the default of ALSA:digital is bullshit unless you happen to be using the config file from the wiki. and I never use config files from a wiki when I don't know the first thing about what they do

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justinh:

if somebody would care to explain the config file in a form suitable for human beings, so that I can understand what's going on...

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riddlebox:

Dagmar, you around?

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mrice:

Greetings fellow mythtv users

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justinh:

jarle: as for why anybody would want digital+analogue to work at the same time – me, for one person. regular telly audio comes out of the television but for the 'big experience' I like to crank up my surround amp & enjoy digital audio :)

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mrice:

I need some help compiling 0.21

[15:08:26]

mrice:

I've got 0.20 installed (through synaptic; I'm using pclos)

[15:08:59]

mrice:

but the configure script give me no joy; only an error that I must have FreeType installed (which I do)

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justinh:

well, first uninstall 0.20 through your package manager

[15:09:42]

mrice:

alrighty

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justinh:

mrice: when configure complains of stuff being missing it's usually that you don't have the -dev package of said name installed

[15:10:01]

jarle:

justinh: I have a similar setup, but I prefer just using the surround receiver for all my TV sound...

[15:10:33]

mrice:

justinh that's the first thing I tried; installed freetype-devel, but still no luck

[15:10:42]

justinh:

so would I but my wifery is too lazy to turn the amp on & programming a macro in our remote is beyond my patience level

[15:10:43]

mrice:

maybe there is another devel package I need

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mrice:

also do you suppose I can ignore warnings like: "WARNING! An unknown C++ compiler flag in: "-Wall". Option(s) will be ignored.

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justinh:

mrice: and there aren't 0.21-fixes packages on your distro already? I'm surprised

[15:12:14]

justinh:

btw, just FYI getting the source tarballs from mythtv.org is a waste of time

[15:12:33]

mrice:

yeah; the repo is terribly out of date for mythtv

[15:13:01]

mrice:

unfortunately the packager in charge of mythtv seems to be awol

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justinh:

debian-ish?? plenty of more up to date repos available

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mrice:

justinh; why is getting the source tarballs from mythtv.org a waste of time?

[15:13:42]

mrice:

what should I be doing, svn?

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justinh:

they're terribly out of date is why

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mrice:

oh

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justinh:

you should be getting -fixes out of svn

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justinh:

as described by svn.mythtv.org

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justinh:

that doesn't mean trunk either – though that'd also be the way to go with that

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mrice:

ok I will go do that now

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justinh:

and you know on debian-ish distros there's usually a way to apt-get build dependencies which can save boat loads of time

[15:15:44]

justinh:

i.e. apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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mrice:

That's mainly why I installed 0.20 through the package manager first; I was hoping it would take care of the dependencies

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justinh:

not the build dependencies

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mrice:

getting -fixes now

[15:20:35]

mrice:

now I should try ./configure in fixes/mythtv?

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justinh:

yup

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mrice:

not surprisingly, same result.

[15:23:06]

mrice:

trying to look in config.err for clues

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justinh:

pastebin the output of ./configure

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justinh:

the error is not always immediately obvious

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mrice:

what do you mean pastebin?

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justinh:

www.pastebin.com

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chasep:

if I have a PVR-150 thats receiving cable straight from the wall (not going through a cable box) will it continue to work after the dtv switchover in february?

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justinh:

chasep: nope

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justinh:

well, not if your cable provider turns off the analogue signals

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chasep:

even if they don't will stations still broadcast in analouge?

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justinh:

depends

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justinh:

it'll take some providers longer than others to make the switch

[15:29:39]

justinh:

ultimately all will

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mrice:

http://pastebin.com/m7d927fd1

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chasep:

hmm, im wondering if I should get one of the converter boxes (which you can get a coupon for) or an ATSC tuner card. I went through 2 or 3 different brands of tuners before I finally got the ones I have now working, I don't want to go through all that again :-(

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chasep:

maybe come february, my kworld cards that have ATSC tuners will be better supported

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chasep:

but they don't do their own encoding...

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xand:

external tuners suck

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xand:

with digital ones you don't have to encode, you just save data... and switching channels etc is a lot easier

[15:37:28]

mrice:

I have a new HDHomeRun I'm anxious to get up and running

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mrice:

If I can get this .21 to build

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justinh:

mrice: looks like your error message is pretty clear

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justinh:

apt-cache search freetype |grep dev :)

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mrice:

apt-cache search freetype | grep dev

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mrice:

freetype-devel – Header files and static library for development with FreeType

[15:39:10]

mrice:

libSDL_ttf2.0-devel – Headers for developing programs that will use SDL_ttf

[15:39:10]

mrice:

libfreetype6-devel – Header files and static library for development with FreeType2

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mrice:

libfreetype6-static-devel – Static libraries for programs which will use the FreeType2 library

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mrice:

libftgl0-devel – Development related files of FTGL

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mrice:

libagg2-devel – Headers for developing programs that will use libagg

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xand:

SPAM

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mrice:

ocaml-camlimages-devel – Image processing library for Objective Caml

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** xand slaps mrice with a pastebin **

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justinh:

mrice: try installing libfreetype6-devel

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chasep:

so, the kworld 115 I have, with ATSC tuner, doesnt matter that it doesn't have mpeg2 encoder, like y PVR-150 and 250? I actually have a digital set top box, and its going into my PVR-250 via the AV reports, controlled with ir-blaster...works great 99% of the time, but i get the occasional recording where the channel didn't change

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justinh:

or just apt-get build-dep mythtv

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mrice:

justinh thank you for that suggestion but I already have; lemme try that last thing

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chasep:

if that is the case, I'm sure I'll have to stick with one external tuner, I don't think showtime is going to be available without going through the comcast box first...

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mrice:

Hmmm, I don't get it: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list

[15:45:00]

mrice:

sources.list does have my repo listed

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justinh:

showtime? sounds like a line from a Jack Nicholson film :P

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chasep:

its a premium movie channel, like hbo

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justinh:

ooo you can smell the encryption from here

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justinh:

pay tv is overrated & overpriced. so I don't subscribe

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chasep:

yep... but, thats fine, I'm not getting that through straight cable connection now either. And obviously all the "basic" channels wont be encrypted, or else they wouldn't work on any digital tuners (external or built into the tv)...well, knowing that ATSC doesn't need to be encoded helps. I might mess around with the KWorld tuners some more then....I was trying to get them working analog...

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chasep:

...before; but I can ignore that tuner this time

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justinh:

hahaha...http://failblog.org/2008/08/02/movie-lineup-fail/

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chasep:

let me see if i can find a screenshot I took from the guide on my replay tv a while back (before I had mythtv obviously)

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chasep:

http://www.chasepeeler.com/snapshot.bmp

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justinh:

ugh what daft channel names!

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justinh:

and that EPG is taking the 'safe area' way too far :P

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chasep:

they are all local stations, so its the call letters....

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chasep:

its actually full screen on the TV, not sure why it shrinks it down like that if you do a screenshot

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justinh:

so glad in the UK we're civilised about it

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chasep:

anyway, the point of the screenshot was the description of the highlighted program

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justinh:

OH

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justinh:

lol

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mrice:

so it appears I have freetype and still the same error

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justinh:

mrice: search for a howto guide for compiling trunk on your distro but adapt the actual svn checkout part for -fixes

[16:04:10]

justinh:

chasep: your TV must overscan A LOT

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chasep:

justinh: no, its just replay tv. It has a "hidden" feature where you can take a screenshot of the current OSD. and you you do, since it doesn't capture the content being broadcast, it just puts it against that fancy background

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justinh:

ah

[16:05:27]

** mrice also still has a replaytv **

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chasep:

well, mine is still here...but its about to go to my parents

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justinh:

isn't replaytv the one responsible for mythtv existing in the first place? ;)

[16:06:06]

mrice:

we dont use ours anymore; we've been using mythtv for several years now

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chasep:

mine is the 5000 series, with an upgraded HD...my parents have two 5500, one with an upgraded HD... they are going to take my old one, take over paying the subscription fees, and retire their non upgraded one

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mrice:

in fact, my kids were raised on mythtv; they dont know anything else

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mrice:

they dont understand why tv cant be paused at other peoples houses :D

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justinh:

what's live tv again?

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mrice:

its what happens when you cant get mythtv to compile :)

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chasep:

i still watch live tv....upstairs in my bedroom, or here in the living room when I am recording two things at the same time........ usually at least one time while im on live though, im trying to pause or rewind or something

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chasep:

i was doing something with mythtvosd recently, and couldn't figure out why it wasnt showing up.....

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Dagmar:

Gah.... I'm so rusty at petl

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Dagmar:

s/petl/perl/

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justinh:

I look at everything I've done in perl now & think WAH?!

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justinh:

and shell scripts

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sphery:

I tend to start a script in one language, then it grows over time such that it's no longer appropriate in that lang or just plain no longer appropriate as a script.

[17:30:29]

Dagmar:

my ($junk, $junk, $junk, $junk, $table) = $webpage =~ m/(<TABLE.*?>.*?<\/TABLE>)/gi;

[17:31:02]

Dagmar:

I'm finally pissed off enough at Comcast to write a scraper for the logs page on my cablemodem to get around the fact that those jackasses are disabling the remote loghost function on *my* cablemodem

[17:31:40]

Dagmar:

MythWeather is probably my next victim once I get this Dropline thing done

[17:31:49]

sphery:

at least it sounds like they'll be paying a fine for the torrent seeding thing

[17:31:55]

Dagmar:

Nope. No fine.

[17:32:08]

Dagmar:

They HAVE however, been ordered to stop blocking things.

[17:32:24]

Dagmar:

...which means if they don't turn off Sandvine ASAP they will certainly get a fine for disobeying the FCC.

[17:32:53]

Dagmar:

...which is good for me because I have a Zul'Aman run tonight and I've more than a sneaking suspicion that Comcast is behind the repeated disconnections

[17:33:29]

justinh:

hmmm apparently we're gonna buy a Wii

[17:34:28]

directhex:

wiiiiiiii!

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sphery:

Yeah, I was basing my guess of pre-Aug-1 info. Too bad there's no fine.

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sphery:

I guess, though, that if there were a fine, it would just be the customers paying, so maybe it's better that there isn't one.

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** justinh trundles off to toys-r-us :( **

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directhex:

you sound enormously happy at the idea of new toys

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tinloaf:

hi. question: mythtv is a monolitic application, i.e. it is not possible to run it in a "command line"-mode on one box and administrate it from another box?

[17:58:15]

tinloaf:

i have a server here at home which i would like to be a video recorder, but this box does not have a graphical interface

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directhex:

tinloaf, you silly ponce

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directhex:

tinloaf, mythtv is client-server BY DESIGN

[17:59:21]

tinloaf:

nice. i was reading the homepage for half an hour or so now and searching for exactly this

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directhex:

tinloaf, mythtv-backend is the daemon which schedules & handles recordings. mythfrontend is the app to watch whatever a backend will throw at it

[18:00:11]

tinloaf:

ok, in that case i'm going to ebay a Hauppauge PVR-250 now :-)

[18:00:30]

tinloaf:

or is the PVR-350 remarkable better?

[18:00:43]

tinloaf:

i didn't really find a comparison of them

[18:01:33]

Dagmar:

Look on the wiki

[18:02:03]

tinloaf:

okok

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directhex:

the 250 is discontinued, and the 350 is a 250 with ancient video-out abilities

[18:03:16]

directhex:

in case you have no graphics card

[18:04:25]

tinloaf:

ah, ok

[18:04:41]

tinloaf:

so it isnt really worth spending money for a 350?

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Dagmar:

Nope/

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Dagmar:

Not unless you're so pressed for space that you don't have room for a video output card

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AndyCap:

tinloaf: you could buy a 500. :)

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tinloaf:

AndyCap: has it a better MPEG encoder? the wiki says something like that...

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Mandriva2008user:

when configuring mysql (installed from rpm's in mandriva) i get a syntax error when exectuing mysql -u root < mc.sql

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directhex:

tinloaf, the 500 is a dual 150

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AndyCap:

tinloaf: dunno about it being better. but it has two tuners and encoders

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directhex:

tinloaf, i.e. 2 tuners, for recording 2 things at once

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AndyCap:

tinloaf: been hearing both good and bad about 150 image quality, but I'm happy.

[18:18:30]

tinloaf:

sp ot

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tinloaf:

so it's not that the 150, 250 and 350 all have the same MPEG encoder?

[18:19:59]

AndyCap:

tinloaf: no, 250 and 350 are the old generation. 150 and 500 the later

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Dagmar:

Here

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR_Card_Matrix

[18:29:37]

Dagmar:

I hacked something together that's _just_ the bare comparison details

[18:29:54]

Dagmar:

This comes up so bloody often we should have put this together awhile back, just to unconfuse people

[18:30:01]

tinloaf:

thanks

[18:30:25]

Dagmar:

It's not 100% populated, but handles all the SD cards

[18:31:17]

tinloaf:

call me stupid, but what's SD standing for?

[18:31:27]

Dagmar:

Standard Definition

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tinloaf:

ah, ok

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Dagmar:

i.e., NTSC or PAL broadcast

[18:32:18]

tinloaf:

so if you write "Obsoleted by PVR-150" at the PVR-250, do you mean "you should buy a 150 if you can get a 250 and a 150 for the same price"?

[18:32:50]

tinloaf:

if i got the wiki right the 150 is the "cheaper" brother of the 250, thus having minor quality?

[18:32:51]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word "obsolete"

[18:33:24]

tinloaf:

yeah, but normally the successor of a product should be better that the original product?

[18:33:33]

Dagmar:

Assume whatever you like.

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Dagmar:

They stopped making the 250 and replaced it with the 150.

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tinloaf:

ok, so i'll try to get a 250 or 350

[18:34:12]

Dagmar:

If any of these cards had quality of reception issues, WE WOULD BE COMPLAINING LOUDLY ABOUT IT.

[18:34:28]

Dagmar:

So, make as many wrong-headed decisions as you like.

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tinloaf:

that's what i'll do anyway ;)

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tinloaf:

thanks

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Dagmar:

Some days it just doesn't pay to keep the safety on.

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: your PVR500 has 2 rf inputs?

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sid3windr:

because mine doesn't ;)

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Dagmar:

It effectively does.

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Dagmar:

If you want to come up with some compact verbiage that explains that, go right ahead

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sid3windr:

I wouldn't call internally split as 2 inputs

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sid3windr:

some people might assume they can connect 2 different sources or something

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Dagmar:

The next thing I'm going to add to the wiki is going to be an actual WIP template

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sid3windr:

I'm thinking up something while creating an account on the wiki ;)

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Dagmar:

Yes, PLEASE so

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Dagmar:

s/so/do/;

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Dagmar:

The more we can add to the wiki, the easier this gets, and the more people we have writing in the wiki, the less work for everyone

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Dagmar:

I know we've got more knowledge floating around this channel than the wiki does in a few key places

[18:57:19]

Dagmar:

<-- edits on a LOT of wikis

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sphery:

tinloaf: in electronics, newer and cheaper does /not/ mean lower quality--often it means higher quality, as it does in the case of the PVR-150.

[18:57:46]

sphery:

150 is cheaper because it costs much less to produce

[18:57:58]

Dagmar:

sphery: I think the phrase "invalid deduction" pretty much covers that decision-making process

[18:58:12]

** sid3windr also edits a lot of wiki's **

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sphery:

yeah

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: as a non-native speaker what I put there now makes sense to me

[18:58:33]

Dagmar:

Argh. Here's a complex one...

[18:59:01]

Dagmar:

I've got two lists which are basically, logs... One old, one new. Is there some technical term that applies to the act of taking these two arrays, and finding which elements match?

[18:59:36]

sid3windr:

a join? ;)

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Dagmar:

Comcast, in their infinite insanity, has disabled the remote loghost option in my cablemodem, so I gotta scrape the damn thing's status page

[18:59:47]

sid3windr:

sqllyspeaking, that is

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sid3windr:

you -own- the modem?

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Dagmar:

Well, yeah that would be a join, but perhaps I've understated that I need to know which trailing elements in the "new" list are left over

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Dagmar:

Oh yes. That's what makes me really peeved about it

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Dagmar:

My cablemodem, their stupidity.

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sid3windr:

what do they say if you call them about it? :)

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Dagmar:

Haha. Okay, clearly you're not a Comcast customer

[19:00:59]

sid3windr:

I'm a Telenet customer, which is sort of a comcast of belgium

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sid3windr:

monopoly, huge, don't care about customer, .. :p

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sid3windr:

yet I take pride in bashing their support if they fsck up

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sid3windr:

and it mostly helps, too ;>

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Dagmar:

Let's say if I did call them about it, I could spend an hour or more trying to get to someone in Tier II support, who *might* connect me to someone in network ops, who would tell me there's nothing they can do because it would involve changing the TFTP image for all the cablemodems

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Dagmar:

I have a service visit scheduled for today.

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sid3windr:

heh

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Dagmar:

I already warned them that this is no longer an issue I am going to "just tolerate"

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sid3windr:

and they're coming to check why it's not syslogging?

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Dagmar:

I'm paying the $2/month fee so that I don't have to pay service visit fees, and they're going to be making a LOT of them until the damn cablemodem stops losing sync 5 times a day

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Dagmar:

In the last month it's gotten _bad_.

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Dagmar:

I can generally expect to have my ssh session to home break 5–10 times in a given 12 hour shift at work

[19:04:01]

Dagmar:

And the connection at work can definitely be said to be of the "doesn't ever fail" variety

[19:04:12]

Dagmar:

We've got I2 backbones and stuff running through our NOC.

[19:04:36]

Dagmar:

Needless to say when I'm playing an MMORPG these disconnections are a massive act of fail

[19:05:24]

Dagmar:

The real _genius_ part of this is that the most valuable information they could possibly be recieving about connection quality is how often and when cablemodems lose sync.

[19:05:38]

Dagmar:

With the remote syslog option off, and the headend not tracking it, basically, they have no idea what's going on.

[19:05:59]

Dagmar:

The only way they know if there's a problem is when a whole bunch of customers call in with a problem at once.

[19:06:25]

Dagmar:

i've called them before at 2am on a weeknight when lightning has blown out power for the entire neighborhood and had them tell me there is no problem in my area.

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

at least they pick up at 2am

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Dagmar:

Mind you, the little headends are SUPPOSED to be on a battery backup

[19:07:04]

Dagmar:

...but someone screwed up and about half of them weren't connected in properly.

[19:07:31]

Dagmar:

So there's a lot of places that if the power goes out (still, even after all this time) so goeth the cablemodems in the area

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coil:

Dagmar: how do i windows

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directhex:

HOW I MINE FOR FISH?

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Dagmar:

With dynamite.

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Dagmar:

It separates the fish from the water and makes the lighter fish bits float to the top.

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kambei:

Any have the Roku box for Netflix?

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kambei:

err, anyone

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justinh:

at all? maybe somebody somewhere has one

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BuCkZ:

any dutch users use grab_tv_nl_py ? i need some help

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kambei:

justinh: Well, I was trying to target the channel occupants with that question. ;)

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black_13:

is it necessary to setup mysql for mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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black_13:

GreyFoxx, this is my problem i am starting the fontend and it starts a setup program

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** cesman fails to see how that is a problem **

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cesman:

black_13: if you require assistance, provide details

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black_13:

i have chosen all the default entries to the mysql setup and when i click next i am

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black_13:

talk "cannot connect to database?"

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black_13:

excuse me "cannot login to database?"

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directhex:

for reference, upnp support is teh win. ran mythfrontend on a freshly installed system, and it JustWorks(tm) – autoselected my BE, connected to it fine

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directhex:

black_13, is your backend configured?

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black_13:

directhex, 1) is this necessary and 2) how can i tell?

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directhex:

black_13, yes it's neccessary, myth is client-server, and that means you

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directhex:

black_13, if you didn't do it, it's not done.

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black_13:

directhex, thanks i assumed that i would only need a client ... an i checked apt and its not installed

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black_13:

directhex, http://rafb.net/p/zFOEDf46.html here is log when i run mythtv

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black_13:

after installing the backend

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directhex:

installed. did you configure it?

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directhex:

oh dear, root@. how are you installing packages?

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black_13:

as root

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directhex:

with which app?

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black_13:

apt get install ...

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directhex:

ah, apt-get. i wonder why people keep using it

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directhex:

firstly, did you configure mythtv-backend yet, via mythtv-setup?

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directhex:

secondly, is mysql-server installed?

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black_13:

no i will

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black_13:

again for that

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black_13:

(thanks)

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directhex:

thirdly, when you were asked by the package installation for your mysql server password, did you tell it incorrect info?

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black_13:

directhex, what would sqlserver password

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black_13:

be

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black_13:

here is one error i am getting: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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black_13:

here is some of the the output http://rafb.net/p/H2u2le73.html

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directhex:

you won't get that message if your backend is running

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directhex:

why is your backend not running?

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black_13:

good question let me do a bit of googling ... thank you very much for you time and trouble

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directhex:

did you run thrugh mythtv-setup yet? all of it?

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black_13:

yes i ran it

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directhex:

and told it all about your tv cards? and when the helpful popup appeared, asked the system to start the backend for you?

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directhex:

y'know, this whole thing would have been much easier if you installed mythbuntu-control-center & used that rather than the command line

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black_13:

does the control center allow you to setup the mysql back end

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directhex:

amongst other things, yes

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my2keh:

anyone get a SQL error when configuring a diseqc in mythsetup?

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